Saturday Night Jam: Luca Fiore, “Get Up!”

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Luca Fiore performs his original song “Get Up!”. All sounds and vocal harmonies are produced by one voice and one guitar by using effect pedals such as the “VoiceLive 3” by TC-Helicon and the “Freeze” by Electro-Harmonix. No overdubs. There is also live looping during the guitar solo (intro riff) and triggering during the choruses (guitar topline).

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Mix & Mastering by Pasquale ”Paco” Carrieri at “PacoLab Studio” - pacolabmusic@gmail.com
Produced by Mr Saccardo, co-produced by Luca Fiore.

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1
ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2016 • 8:46:35pm

Saturday Night Live is having a good time lampooning Trump, Carson, Bernie and Hillary. Politics always helps the show.

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teleskiguy  Mar 12, 2016 • 9:02:19pm

This made me laugh so hard my tear ducts opened up.

HI BILLY MAYS HERE FOR ASDGZBFDQSJSYFDZLKXYWQMPLYB

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teleskiguy  Mar 12, 2016 • 9:14:57pm

Fuck, man! It’s already past 11 at my twenty and I promised to go skiing tomorrow morning with a former co-worker for his birthday (he’s cooking burgers for everybody that shows up to the BBQ spot on the mountain, what a nice guy!) and this gal I have a crush on (I taught her how to ski, she’s following me around on the mountain, I teach skiing good!).

I hate the time change!

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KingKenrod  Mar 12, 2016 • 9:21:23pm

re: #1 ObserverArt

Saturday Night Live is having a good time lampooning Drumpf, Carson, Bernie and Hillary. Politics always helps the show.

The opening sketch and Kate McKinnon’s Hillary/Sanders were the funniest things I’ve seen them do in years.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 12, 2016 • 9:24:59pm
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Stanley Sea  Mar 12, 2016 • 9:26:30pm

Cruz v Trump. Oh you lovely GOPers.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 12, 2016 • 9:26:31pm

Oh, I hate nights when we go in and out of Daylight Savings Time because that messes up my medication schedule. I’m always disoriented for a couple days. Wish they would can Daylight Savings Time once and for all…

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Charles Johnson  Mar 12, 2016 • 9:31:31pm
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Nyet  Mar 12, 2016 • 9:32:35pm

I think people who are calling Trump Drumpf (which wasn’t even his name, rather that of his ancestors) are using Trump’s own, let’s say, flawed method.

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teleskiguy  Mar 12, 2016 • 9:36:26pm

re: #8 Joe Bacon

This comment about the asinine time change is a

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Nyet  Mar 12, 2016 • 9:38:26pm

Clinton posts an expanded statement on her AIDS gaffe. I think this should close this issue.

On the fight against HIV and AIDS—and on the people who really started the conversation.

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prairiefire  Mar 12, 2016 • 9:42:34pm

...

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 12, 2016 • 9:42:52pm

Just finished binge watching season 2 of Bosch . If you have Amazon Prime I highly recommend the series. It’s a little slow at times but in the way a good homicide cop, long arc procedural should be.

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Nyet  Mar 12, 2016 • 9:45:22pm

OK, that seems like another gaffe from Hillary (warning: a Berniac diary):

dailykos.com

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Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate  Mar 12, 2016 • 9:53:02pm

re: #6 Ace-o-aces

Coulter: Fox News and Cruz are “traitors”

They are the enemy within, stabbing Trump and his patriotic supporters in the back.

They’ll get theirs in the Night of the Short Fingers, just wait.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 12, 2016 • 9:53:50pm

re: #16 Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate

They are the enemy within, stabbing Trump and his patriotic supporters in the back.

They’ll get theirs in the Night of the Short Fingers, just wait.

Nice. Updingable.

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prairiefire  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:02:50pm

re: #16 Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate

Thank you! Perfect analogy for “night of the…”. I would go with “steaks” for second place.

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Alyosha  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:05:22pm

What a freaking putz.
Just say ‘Uncle’ already!

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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:06:43pm

both sides. drink

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:06:44pm

re: #18 prairiefire

Thank you! Perfect analogy for “night of the…”. I would go with “steaks” for second place.

The Night of the Rebranded Steaks
The Night of the Relabeled Bottled Water
The Night of the Overpriced Mediocre Wine

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teleskiguy  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:07:46pm

re: #20 SoundGuy 2016

both sides. drink

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prairiefire  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:08:59pm

re: #19 Alyosha

Aww, you changed your eagle avatar. The old one was closer to the spirit of Trump.

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The Ghost of a Cunning Plan  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:11:14pm

re: #16 Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate

Excellent but lacks branding. And gold.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:13:54pm

I’m gonna just leave these here and go back to what I was doing:

SXSW volunteer asks Muslim fencer to remove hijab for a credential photo.

AUSTIN - For 30 years, the SXSW festival and its host city have been known for a come-one, come-all vibe.

But that reputation was tarnished Saturday when Ibtihaj Muhammad, an elite Olympic fencer and the first Muslim woman to compete for the U.S., was asked to take off her head covering, or hijab, in order to take a festival credential photograph. […]

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Nyet  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:15:54pm

I see that her Bosnia sniper fire comments are now used regularly by the Berniacs to tar her as a “liar”. I think that’s BS. Everything I said during the Brian Williams debacle applies: memory is extremely malleable, false memory is more common than most people think, everyone falls victim to false memory once in a while (I know I do).

Clinton’s own book has an accurate representation of her landing in Bosnia, which, however, contains the key elements of her later flawed retelling - danger and a possibility of sniper fire:

Security conditions were constantly changing in the former Yugoslavia, and they had recently deteriorated again. Due to reports of snipers in the hills around the airstrip, we were forced to cut short an event on the tarmac with local children, though we did have time to meet them and their teachers and to learn how hard they had worked during the war to continue classes in any safe spot they could find. One eight-year-old girl gave me a copy of a poem she had written entitled ‘Peace.’

To me it is clear that it wasn’t a “lie” (please, she’s not stupid to say something contradicting her own earlier description intentionally if the assumption is that she did remember the landing perfectly) but rather a false memory episode.

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Nyet  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:17:08pm

re: #24 The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork

Excellent but lacks branding. And gold.

Night of the Broken Ming Vases.

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Alyosha  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:17:49pm

re: #23 prairiefire

Aww, you changed your eagle avatar. The old one was closer to the spirit of Trump.

I think this is most appropriate…

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prairiefire  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:18:27pm

re: #28 Alyosha

Solid gold, brother.

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The Ghost of a Cunning Plan  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:20:39pm

re: #27 Nyet

(edited)

TRUMP Night of the Huge Whatevers.

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Jenner7  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:23:30pm

Please, please, please, please, let the primary be over…..

Video

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Nyet  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:23:56pm

re: #30 The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork

Night of a Thousand Celebrating Muslims.

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LastYearsMan  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:24:42pm

re: #10 Nyet

I’m not a fan of the Drumpf joke, but when John Oliver launched it a couple of weeks ago, he explicitly tied the joke to that Trump tweet about Jon Stewart.

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Nyet  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:26:20pm

re: #33 LastYearsMan

I’m not a fan of the Drumpf joke, but when John Oliver launched it a couple of weeks ago, he explicitly tied the joke to that Trump tweet about Jon Stewart.

I haven’t seen the Oliver episode. I do see “Drumpf” regularly. To me, that falls straight into the dark “I know your real ethnic name” tradition. I’d rather that liberals would not go there.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:29:25pm

I see white guys do this a lot and it’s clear they’ve never even thought about what drives them to do it.

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Alyosha  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:33:56pm

re: #34 Nyet

I haven’t seen the Oliver episode. I do see “Drumpf” regularly. To me, that falls straight into the dark “I know your real ethnic name” tradition. I’d rather that liberals would not go there.

John Oliver on the truth about Donald Trump

Worth a peek. If it’s an angle of attack that’s a bit on the nose, it’s also obviously a much-relished broadside in defence of Jon Stewart.
Plus it’s funny and self-deprecating.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:34:51pm

re: #34 Nyet

I haven’t seen the Oliver episode. I do see “Drumpf” regularly. To me, that falls straight into the dark “I know your real ethnic name” tradition. I’d rather that liberals would not go there.

Oliver did it in direct response to Trump lying about having previously done the exact same thing to Jon Stewart.

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Nyet  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:36:12pm

re: #37 goddamnedfrank

Oliver did it in direct response to Trump lying about having previously done the exact same thing to Jon Stewart.

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LastYearMan has already said that in the comment to which I was replying.

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Alyosha  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:37:04pm

‘Fuckface Von Clownstick’ is superior as an insult than ‘Drumpf’, though.

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Nyet  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:38:54pm

“Look, he’s not Trotsky, he’s Bronshtejn, hahaha! Look, he’s not Stewart, he’s Leibowitz, hahaha! Look, he’s not Trump, he’s Drumpf, hahaha!”

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teleskiguy  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:40:14pm

re: #39 Alyosha

‘Fuckface Von Clownstick’ is superior as an insult than ‘Drumpf’, though.

I’ve saved that particular tweet and will retweet when he gets the nomination.

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Jenner7  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:42:39pm

After watching twitter today, all I’ll say is this:

Of course, we have to take our candidates to task when they say stupid things. But we also have to look at the bigger picture. Hillary or Bernie will be taking on Trump. A serial liar, racist, fascist, pig. Do you want to parse every word Hillary says or go after this awful human being that is Trump? I’d rather go after Trump.

G’night, Lizards. Don’t forget to change your clocks. Spring forward!

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Alyosha  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:44:09pm

Obviously the threshold for unleashing righteous rage is much lower for someone who once had a prominent booster here. Ironically over freedom of expression.

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Nyet  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:45:54pm

Meanwhile the daughter of the Russian citizen Gerard Depardieu has just come out. I wonder what Depardieu’s best buddy Kadyrov thinks about it.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:46:00pm

I took the Drumpf joke as being more about the fact that Trump trades on his name as a brand that stands for wealth. So, Oliver is putting out a little payback for the Stewart/Leibowitz thing, and defusing Trump’s marketing schtick, at the same time.

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Nyet  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:46:40pm

re: #43 Alyosha

Is there a context to that photo?

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Nyet  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:47:12pm

I didn’t make any point about Oliver. I did not mention Oliver.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:48:30pm

re: #38 Nyet

LastYearMan has already said that in the comment to which I was replying.

Not really, neither of you mentioned that Trump denied he did it while leaving up incontrovertible evidence that he had. So the story also came to be about how he lies, about the littlest, most easily provable things, and how these lies don’t seem to impact his reputation as a “straight talker” with his supporters.

If you’re going to insist on playing the pedant try to up your game a bit.

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teleskiguy  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:49:07pm

re: #42 Jenner7

Don’t forget to change your clocks. Spring forward!

Fuck that noise! I hate the fucking time change! It’s almost 1 a.m. as I type this, I have to wake up in about six hours.

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Nyet  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:49:42pm

re: #48 goddamnedfrank

Not really, neither of you mentioned that Trump denied he did it while leaving up incontrovertible evidence that he had. So the story also came to be about how he lies, about the littlest, most easily provable things, and how these lies don’t seem to impact his reputation as a “straight talker” with his supporters.

If you’re going to insist on playing the pedant try to up your game a bit.

Sorry, I’m not chasing your Oliver red herrings.

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Alyosha  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:52:41pm

re: #46 Nyet

Is there a context to that photo?

If there is, I can’t find it. At first I thought it might have been a protester ejected from a Trump rally, but it’s just as likely to be an archetype that causes foaming at the conservative Id.

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Nyet  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:53:15pm

re: #51 Alyosha

Maybe it was an art performance for all I know. Out of context photos don’t always help.

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Nyet  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:54:43pm

Wingnut sources speak of “The Eric Sheppard challenge”.

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Alyosha  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:54:46pm

re: #52 Nyet

Maybe it was an art performance for all I know. Out of context photos don’t always help.

I get the feeling that Cumia doesn’t really care for context.

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Alyosha  Mar 12, 2016 • 10:56:48pm

re: #46 Nyet

Is there a context to that photo?

insidehighered.com

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Nyet  Mar 12, 2016 • 11:02:47pm

Apparently the guy on the flag is Eric Sheppard:

washingtonpost.com

University police doing extra patrols of campus because of the protests found a backpack they said belonged to sophomore who was one of the students involved, containing a handgun.

They issued a statement:

“Unmistakable evidence has now been located by law enforcement linking the gun to Eric Sheppard. Based on that evidence, an independent judge has issued an arrest warrant for Eric Sheppard. … Although there was an extensive search for Sheppard by law enforcement and he was not located, he is now wanted and considered armed and dangerous. There is no evidence at this time to reflect that Sheppard is on university property and in fact, law enforcement now believes he is in hiding.”

[…]

“That flag represents white supremacy racism which is plaguing the entire earth, so when we step on that flag we are stepping on racism, white supremacy,” he said in the video.

[…]

He said the flag represents lies, deceit, and “things that were erected alongside our genocide and our holocaust.” … I’m a terrorist toward lies. I’m a terrorist toward liars. I’m a terrorist toward those who are wicked. So yes, I am a terrorist toward white people,” Sheppard said. “What I’m saying to you all is a warning of death that is coming upon this nation.”

So OK, the guy seems to be a racist scumbag, but I don’t see how it is at all related to the current situation.

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Alyosha  Mar 12, 2016 • 11:10:26pm

From the Higher Ed article:

“If I see anyone I know step on the American flag I will personally shove the flag of another country up their ass,” one Twitter user posted. Others have stated those standing on the flag should be “curb stomped” or have their necks snapped.

This is perhaps what Cumia refers to as incited behaviour. But it doesn’t have any relevance to what I guess he was making mention of originally: the Trump rallies.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 12, 2016 • 11:12:01pm

re: #44 Nyet

Meanwhile the daughter of the Russian citizen Gerard Depardieu has just come out. I wonder what Depardieu’s best buddy Kadyrov thinks about it.

Clearly I have missed this news. When did Gerard become a Russian citizen, and whatever for? Is France too socialist for him?

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Nyet  Mar 12, 2016 • 11:13:04pm

re: #57 Alyosha

I thought at first that he might have been referring to one of the protest organizers. When it turned out that it’s a completely unrelated dude, it became clear that for Cumia it’s just a representation of black people. There’s your connection.

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Nyet  Mar 12, 2016 • 11:13:35pm

re: #58 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Clearly I have missed this news. When did Gerard become a Russian citizen, and whatever for? Is France too socialist for him?

Yes, taxes too high.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 12, 2016 • 11:15:08pm

re: #57 Alyosha

From the Higher Ed article:

“If I see anyone I know step on the American flag I will personally shove the flag of another country up their ass,” one Twitter user posted. Others have stated those standing on the flag should be “curb stomped” or have their necks snapped.

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Alyosha  Mar 12, 2016 • 11:15:37pm

re: #59 Nyet

Yep, just a template for a racist tweet.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 12, 2016 • 11:15:41pm

re: #60 Nyet

Yes, taxes too high.

Oh, boo hoo! Somehow I think he could afford to pay them.

Hope he enjoys living in Russia, then.

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Nyet  Mar 12, 2016 • 11:16:41pm

re: #63 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Oh, boo hoo! Somehow I think he could afford to pay them.

Hope he enjoys living in Russia, then.

That’s the funny thing, he doesn’t even live there.

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Nyet  Mar 12, 2016 • 11:17:15pm

re: #63 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It was a huge story in its day, google it, it was tragicomic.

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Nyet  Mar 12, 2016 • 11:19:48pm

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2016 • 11:20:17pm

Not a big delegate night, but there were 57 up for grabs.

Guam and Northern Mariana Islands each send a few delegates but apparently they go uncommitted.

In DC, Rubio took 10 delegates to Kasich’s 9.

In Wyoming Cruz is the big winner in their “convention”, and took 9 delegates to Rubio’s and Trump’s one each, and there will be one uncommitted delegate.

So Trump took 1 of 57 delegates, the least of anybody today.

Something to think about.

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Alyosha  Mar 12, 2016 • 11:20:33pm

re: #61 goddamnedfrank

Doesn’t count if the flag has a golden fringe, is part of a mat that includes the words ‘September 11’ or if the transgressor is a white, male president who has ever arrived at a press event in a jumpsuit.

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The Dude Abides  Mar 12, 2016 • 11:20:52pm

re: #16 Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate

They are the enemy within, stabbing Trump and his patriotic supporters in the back.

They’ll get theirs in the Night of the Short Fingers, just wait.

ROFL - literally.

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Nyet  Mar 12, 2016 • 11:27:08pm

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2016 • 11:28:10pm

re: #70 Nyet

eh?

Q: What do they say in Canada?

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Alyosha  Mar 12, 2016 • 11:38:04pm

re: #70 Nyet

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There’s a bit of SMH in that corner, unfortunately.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 12, 2016 • 11:38:18pm

Fantastic hockey game.

World appears to still be going sideways.

I think I will ignore it and relish my fantastic hockey game instead.

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Nyet  Mar 12, 2016 • 11:40:14pm
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Alyosha  Mar 12, 2016 • 11:46:31pm

re: #74 Nyet

Yep, the article totally lost me at Israel’s ‘ethnic cleansing’.

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The Ghost of a Cunning Plan  Mar 12, 2016 • 11:49:35pm

re: #73 klys (maker of Silmarils)

This is pretty much what you missed.

Youtube Video

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bratwurst  Mar 12, 2016 • 11:50:45pm
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CuriousLurker  Mar 12, 2016 • 11:57:07pm

re: #77 bratwurst

Aaaaaghhh! That commercial creeps me right the hell out.

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Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate  Mar 13, 2016 • 12:07:51am

re: #77 bratwurst

Who would have thought so many people would fall for Trump but not for Puppy Monkey Baby?

Puppy Monkey Baby doesn’t tell me that it’s okay to hate the people I hate because they deserve my hatred.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 12:14:49am

Since I was led to believe that SCOTUS had struck down Scientology’s tax-exempt status last night by a scurrilous fake news site and my incomplete skepticism reflex, here’s something that just must be true.

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 12:20:09am

re: #80 Alyosha

Why swiftly?

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The Ghost of a Cunning Plan  Mar 13, 2016 • 12:21:43am

re: #81 Nyet

Because duck eye tastes better when it still retains the final image captured by the lens.

Duh.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 13, 2016 • 12:32:07am

re: #25 CuriousLurker

I’m gonna just leave these here and go back to what I was doing:

[Embedded content]

I just came back to report that I got a LOT of mileage out of those tweets by Ibtihaj Muhammad—I must’ve pre-emptively blocked at least 100 trolls. They covered the full spectrum: wingnuts, moonbats, dudebros, MRA creeps, racists, and islamophobes. You can also choose pretty much any random adjective & noun pair from below and at least one person would have fit the description:

Adjectives: smug, self-righteous, condescending, militant

Nouns: Christians, Jews, atheists, feminists

The ethnicities were all over the map too.

So many people just tossed random shit at her, as if she’s responsible for whatever laws exist in [choose a Muslim-majority country], any bad behavior by any Muslim anywhere, how dare she complain/whine, and if she doesn’t like how things work in America she can GTFO and go live in Saudi Arabia/Afghanistan/etcetera (I don’t think most of them realize she’s from NJ and that there are a bunch of us Muslims & Muslim converts here in the U.S. whose families have been here longer than theirs). Oh, and a few also threw some really nasty shit about FGM at her. The ignorance & spite was mind-numbing.

But, hey—look on the bright side! It’s great to know everyone can temporarily put aside their differences come together to hate on Muslims. //

I’m gonna go try sleep this nastiness off. Over & out…

~~~GONE~~~

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 12:45:14am

Wait, the so-called “Killer Mike” is an NRA member?

And a gun nut:

And the odd couple made their disagreement much clearer when the conversation moved to questions of whether citizens have the right to own so-called “assault weapons.”
“I say yes,” the rapper declared. “I really believe the part of the Constitution that says that’s our last defense against tyranny…. I don’t want the people I pay to be able to own something I don’t.”

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 12:46:39am

Hmm?

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 12:50:51am

re: #84 Nyet

Wait, the so-called “Killer Mike” is an NRA member?

And a gun nut:

When the stated endgoal is nothing short of revolution, the accumulation of weapons for a perceived need to defend oneself from the government is pretty predictable.
Mad, but predictable.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 13, 2016 • 12:51:59am

re: #85 Nyet

Hmm?

I have no idea. Tyson tweeted some nonsense about anti-Trump folks blah blah blah, and he’s getting some hate about it.

Smart guy, but he needs to stick to science and stay out of politics.

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Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate  Mar 13, 2016 • 12:52:04am

re: #84 Nyet

Wait, the so-called “Killer Mike” is an NRA member?

And a gun nut:

Dammit, Mike! Every time you open your mouth it makes it harder to be a fan off your work. I’m not gonna pull a Dixie Chicks and tell you to shut up and sing rap, but yeesh. Help me out a little here, man…

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 12:52:46am
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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 12:53:22am

re: #87 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

and stay out of politics.

Unless we like what he says. //

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 12:54:58am

re: #89 Alyosha

I suspect a garbled message.

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Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate  Mar 13, 2016 • 12:56:40am

re: #89 Alyosha

People who are anti-Trump are actually anti-Trump supporters — they oppose free citizens voting for the @realDonaldTrump.

Well, yeah. I oppose anyone voting for Trump. I also oppose anyone drinking Bud Light. I’m not going to force people not to do either, but I will try to persuade them not to, and mock them if they do anyway. I guess that means I hate freedom.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 13, 2016 • 12:56:47am

re: #35 goddamnedfrank

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Timothy Watson  Mar 13, 2016 • 1:08:16am

re: #89 Alyosha

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Tyson has managed to violate the laws of physics and create a perpetual motion machine in Carl Sagan’s corpse rolling over in its grave.

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 1:10:23am

re: #91 Nyet

I suspect a garbled message.

Esp. when contrasted with

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 1:22:31am

Make Pluto a planet again!

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Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate  Mar 13, 2016 • 1:28:48am

re: #96 Nyet

Make Pluto a planet great again!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 13, 2016 • 1:30:02am

The New York Times has written yet another critical article about The Donald. You can expect his reaction come morning .

Beginning with Obama’s jokes at Trump’s expense in 2011, the writers continue:

That evening of public abasement, rather than sending Mr. Trump away, accelerated his ferocious efforts to gain stature within the political world. And it captured the degree to which Mr. Trump’s campaign is driven by a deep yearning sometimes obscured by his bluster and bragging: a desire to be taken seriously.

That desire has played out over the last several years within a Republican Party that placated and indulged him, and accepted his money and support, seemingly not grasping how fervently determined he was to become a major force in American politics. In the process, the party bestowed upon Mr. Trump the kind of legitimacy that he craved, which has helped him pursue a credible bid for the presidency.

“Everybody has a little regret there, and everybody read it wrong,” said David Keene, a former chairman of the American Conservative Union, an activist group Mr. Trump cultivated. Of Mr. Trump’s rise, Mr. Keene said, “It’s almost comical, except it’s liable to end up with him as the nominee.”

nytimes.com
For people who know anything about Trump, these are hardly earth-shaking revelations. He’s an egomaniac, an insecure bully who’s using this presidential run to boost his self-esteem and “stature” among the politicians.

May dog help the USA.

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 1:42:57am

Some idiotic lefty isolationists (aka dictator-appeasers):

The right-wing political record of Bernie Sanders

I almost feel better about Bernie now ;) half-/

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 13, 2016 • 1:44:36am

Instagram

After a fantastic hockey game tonight, not ready to go to bed …so here’s a finish! January from A Year In Chalk, stitched on the recommended linen. I subbed B5200 for the Chalk and Caron Wildflowers Ocean Breeze for the Tropical Ocean. I love how this came out.

#crossstitch #crossstitching #crossstitchersofinstagram #ayearinchalk #finished

It was a really fucking good hockey game.

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 1:46:22am

re: #10 Nyet

I think people who are calling Trump Drumpf (which wasn’t even his name, rather that of his ancestors) are using Trump’s own, let’s say, flawed method.

[Embedded content]

I lean toward you on this, Nyet. I shy away from most “funny” name choices.
Using “Drumpf” is much like using “Shilllery”.

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 1:50:11am

re: #101 Ming5000

I lean toward you on this, Nyet. I shy away from most “funny” name choices.
Using “Drumpf” is much like using “Shilllery”.

There’s that, but it’s more about “othering” by “revealing” a “real ethnic name” - a very old xenophobic tradition unbecoming for liberals.

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 1:56:27am

re: #3 teleskiguy

I hate the time change!

I think there a growing consensus to stop the semiannual change.
What is it going to take to make it happen? I wish the question would get asked during a general election debate.
43% Say There’s No Need for Daylight Saving Time - Rasmussin 2014

Accuweather Online Poll:

Current Poll Results Shows 83% Against
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 13, 2016 • 1:57:52am

re: #103 Ming5000

The USA will ditch DST about the same time as it goes completely metric.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 13, 2016 • 3:00:27am

re: #104 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The USA will ditch DST about the same time as it goes completely metric.

A couple of Czech students of mine who’ve been to the US in the past have commented to me how confusing it was to see everything not in metric.

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 3:02:08am

re: #105 Dr Lizardo

A couple of Czech students of mine who’ve been to the US in the past have commented to me how confusing it was to see everything not in metric.

Just join the civilized world already. half-/

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 3:06:14am

Guess who.

If and when Bernie Sanders is brought down by the very party he is championing, the millions of Bernie supporters, especially young voters, will have to consider breaking off into a new political party that will make American history. That means dissolving the dictatorial two-party duopoly and its ruinous, unpatriotic, democracy-destroying corporate paymasters.

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LastYearsMan  Mar 13, 2016 • 3:06:32am

re: #102 Nyet

There’s that, but it’s more about “othering” by “revealing” a “real ethnic name” - a very old xenophobic tradition unbecoming for liberals.

I think the joke, as conceived by Oliver (as a combination of payback for Trump’s attacking Stewart over his “real” name and a way to undermine his vanity), was pretty well intentioned — good, old-fashioned satire, done with wit and purpose. But in practice, I’m more inclined to agree with you — it tends to revert to just making fun of someone’s name.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 13, 2016 • 3:06:59am
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LastYearsMan  Mar 13, 2016 • 3:10:50am

It’s interesting to be old enough to have seen several splittist “revolutions” come and go. From Ross Perot (who was saying about 60% of the same things Trump is now), to Buchanan to Trump now (not to mention in other countries). When I was young, I appreciated the sentiment of wanting to make a radical change. But having seen so many revolutions go bad, I’m much less indulgent now. Ugly, mainstream compromises often have a good point, however unpleasant the process is.

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 3:12:16am

re: #108 LastYearsMan

I don’t care about Oliver though. I don’t watch his program and I haven’t seen the video.

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LastYearsMan  Mar 13, 2016 • 3:13:39am

re: #111 Nyet

I don’t care about Oliver though. I don’t watch his program and I haven’t seen the video.

You don’t have to. But if you’re going to complain about a popular meme that’s going around, it’s worth knowing where it came from.

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 3:15:34am

re: #112 LastYearsMan

You don’t have to. But if you’re going to complain about a popular meme that’s going around, it’s worth knowing where it came from.

It came from the name of his ancestors. It did not come from Oliver. In any case, you have already explained it once.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 13, 2016 • 3:21:39am

re: #107 Nyet

Guess who.

Without resorting to Google, I’ll say Greenwald.

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 3:22:38am

re: #114 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Without resorting to Google, I’ll say Greenwald.

… pretty close, but it’s an older fucknut. (consider that a hint)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 13, 2016 • 3:24:14am

re: #115 Nyet

… pretty close, but it’s an older fucknut. (consider that a hint)

Oh, now I’m stumped.

Chomsky?

No, Nader.

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 3:24:58am

re: #102 Nyet

There’s that, but it’s more about “othering” by “revealing” a “real ethnic name” - a very old xenophobic tradition unbecoming for liberals.

Ok, I got the specific point later as I read. I still agree.

Now I am thinking how Barack Hussein Obama kept his name and it was not an issue for left wingers.
Rafael Edward (Ted) Cruz ditched “Rafael”. As I saw written, many people who are named after their fathers go by a nickname. So, maybe there is nothing to it. Although I believe “Rafael Cruz” is used as a negative epithet by some.

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 3:25:47am

re: #116 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Oh, now I’m stumped.

Chomsky?

No, but in that circle.
Think whom else this could describe.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 13, 2016 • 3:26:40am

re: #118 Nyet

No, but in that circle.
Think whom else this could describe.

I edited my comment, so you missed my next guess. Nader.

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 3:27:39am

re: #119 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I edited my comment, so you missed my next guess. Nader.

Ta da.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 13, 2016 • 3:34:47am

re: #120 Nyet

Ta da.

TBH, my first idea was Nader, but I went with Greenwald, because he likes to stick his nose in politics when it suits him.

When I was younger, I admired Nader. Then I learned more about his infamous attack on the Chevy Corvair and Detroit cars in general, Unsafe at Any Speed. While the book probably did bring public pressure to bear on automakers and Washington to make cars safer (or less lethal, anyway), it also killed the Corvair, which GM had improved to eliminate the oversteer issues of the first model run. It was then I understood the power of propaganda and using anecdotal evidence to win an argument.

When Nader run for president, I was wholly disinterested. Like Bernie, he has some very good ideas and intentions, but he wears blinkers — and he figures he’s the smartest guy in the room. Not qualities I want in a president.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 13, 2016 • 3:36:55am

Chomsky is the left’s version of Camille Paglia — a gifted linguist and literato who really ought to shut up about politics and social issues. He’s like the Eldest Moonbat among equals.

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 3:38:06am

re: #122 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Chomsky is the left’s version of Camille Paglia — a gifted linguist and literato who really ought to shut up about politics and social issues. He’s like the Eldest Moonbat among equals.

His defense of the Holocaust denier guru Faurisson was pretty revealing.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 13, 2016 • 3:41:28am

re: #123 Nyet

His defense of the Holocaust denier guru Faurisson was pretty revealing.

It’s disappointing when a figure you admire for his intellect turns out to be embarrassingly stupid about certain things.

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William Lewis  Mar 13, 2016 • 3:42:37am

re: #121 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I like Bernie and can imagine him doing good work in the cabinet.

Nader? Not even that useful.

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 3:43:01am

re: #89 Alyosha

RedState loves/hates that Tyson tweet. They are anti Trump and also anti Neil D. Tyson:

In some ways, this tweet of support - “People who are anti-Trump are actually anti-Trump supporters — they oppose free citizens voting for the @realDonaldTrump” - is starkly incomprehensible. I mean, the guy is saying that if you’re against Trump, you’re actively working against democracy itself… which would presumably indict roughly 70% of the population of the country these days, including a whole bunch of liberals who routinely revere everything that Neil deGrasse Tyson says.

I don’t think Tyson is advocating for Trump:

I mean, Tyson is exactly the sort of fuzzy-headed celebrity that gravitates to Donald Trump like an addled moth gravitates towards the fire.

And this? At least two out of three points are wrong.

Tyson’s famous for being famous, and he doesn’t think very clearly, and he loves the camera.

edit: forgot to say that the comment thread is another good read. lol

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 3:45:46am

re: #126 Ming5000

That tweet is weird, but if anything, we can be pretty sure Tyson is not pro-Trump.

He probably meant to comment on the protests in Chicago.

The way that came out was garbled beyond recovery though.

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 3:45:58am

Maybe he was drunk indeed.

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 3:48:58am

re: #123 Nyet

His defense of the Holocaust denier guru Faurisson was pretty revealing.

Just to be clear, being against anti-HD laws myself I would never complain about Chomsky supporting Fauri’s free speech. Chomsky went much farther and defended Fauri as an individual.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 13, 2016 • 3:49:04am

Since we were discussing the Muslima who was asked to remove her hijab for a photo shoot, here’s an article about a football (as in soccer) jersey with integral hijab. It was developed with the help of Afghani football players.

mirror.co.uk

Image: hummel-Afghanistan-2016-hijab-football-shirt-2-1.jpg

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 3:50:21am

re: #128 Nyet

Maybe he was drunk indeed.

Right. It was just a tweet. His intended meaning might not be clearly expressed.

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 3:53:18am
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William Lewis  Mar 13, 2016 • 3:59:43am

re: #132 Nyet

Why Socialists Can’t Wait for Bernie to Lose

Sigh… American leftists have always been the American left’s biggest enemy.

At least the DSA is handling him right I think. Of course as a member of it, I’m more likely to agree with them than say the Socialist Worker loons.

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 4:01:29am

re: #133 William Lewis

Sigh… American leftists have always been the American left’s biggest enemy.

At least the DSA is handling him right I think. Of course as a member of it, I’m more likely to agree with them than say the Socialist Worker loons.

But what does the People’s Front of Judea think? ///

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 4:05:10am

re: #132 Nyet

Why Socialists Can’t Wait for Bernie to Lose

I hope the Berniebots do become active in politics when this cycle is over for them. They need to be focused locally and statewide all the time, not just nationally every 4 or 8 years.

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 4:11:41am

re: #133 William Lewis

I sometimes ponder the serenity of being SO SURE about religion, economics, climate, etc.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 13, 2016 • 4:15:02am

re: #132 Nyet

Why Socialists Can’t Wait for Bernie to Lose

Too much fragmentation —> failure overall.

My worry is the Bernie-bots will just not vote at all, or vote for the Republican nominee out of spite, because they hate Hillary with the heat of a thousand suns.

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 4:21:04am

re: #137 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

My worry is the Bernie-bots will just not vote at all, or vote for the Republican nominee out of spite, because they hate Hillary with the heat of a thousand suns.

A big meme with Berniebots:

I think big banks is a big problem in America and they were responsible for the 2007 global financial crisis. If the banks are backing her up, I do not expect her to be making good political decisions that would benefit the people.

So, somehow, they can justify Trump as their backup because he is not beholding to the banks.

A reply to the above:

Who are they not backing, exactly?

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William Lewis  Mar 13, 2016 • 4:21:13am

re: #137 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Too much fragmentation —> failure overall.

My worry is the Bernie-bots will just not vote at all, or vote for the Republican nominee out of spite, because they hate Hillary with the heat of a thousand suns.

Most of these will vote Green if at all once Bernie is out, alas. Pissing away their chances…

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 4:23:09am

re: #139 William Lewis

Most of these will vote Green if at all once Bernie is out, alas. Pissing away their chances…

Berniebots - yes. Bernie supporters - no.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 4:27:42am

re: #138 Ming5000

A big meme with Berniebots:

So, somehow, they can justify Trump as their backup because he is not beholding to the banks.

A reply to the above:

I am doubtful that there will be many progressives who vote for Tump out of spite. But more anarchistically-minded people who do think of the revolution as a literal overturning of the political and economic systems might justify a vote for Trump under the assumption that a terribly mismanaged and blundering Trump presidency brings the Revolution much closer to reality.

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 4:30:38am

re: #141 Alyosha

The crazies are the loudest sometimes.
I don’t see that on Hillary’s side, but some HillaryBros like that guy that called Bernie antisemitic probably wouldn’t vote for him if he were the nominee.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 4:31:31am

And who knows what a hypothetical Trump Administration would truly look like? Their reasoning, while callous and regressive, might be accurate. It depends on how bad things get.
I mean, if your goal is Revolution…

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 4:34:02am

re: #142 Nyet

Yeah, chemoelectric has stated as much.
Thing is, I can kinda see how he (and Gus) got to this point, but it’s sad to see it happen and you hope that it’s mostly them running a high fever over the election.

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 4:34:45am
Clive all hat no horse Rodeo Mar 13 * 08:58:01 AM
This is the difference between HRC and Bernie. Bernie will draw Republican and Independent votes, whereas Hillary will struggle.

HonorFredHampton Clive all hat no horse Rodeo Mar 13 * 09:21:54 AM
Seems like Hillary is struggling to get D support!!

The omens look bad, folks….

Peace!

That’s why Bernie is winning!
oh wait

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 4:37:05am

re: #144 Alyosha

Gus is a cat. He’s here, and there, and everywhere. He’d get around to voting for Bernie against Trump, of that I am sure.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 4:38:51am

re: #145 Nyet

That’s why Bernie is winning!
oh wait

They each have a vision board at home that they look at and draw strength from. You just have to believe.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 4:39:37am

re: #146 Nyet

But oh how he’ll moan.

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 4:42:03am

re: #143 Alyosha

I wonder what the Bernibot’s goal is. IIRC, HRC and Bernie supposedly vote the same 93% of the time.
Just looked at a good piece from Aug, 2015. Allen Clifton. Seems prescient to me.

But my biggest concern with Sanders hasn’t really been that he’ll win the nomination, it’s that he’ll build up expectations from many liberals just enough to where if he eventually loses, it’s going to deflate enthusiasm and hand Republicans the White House next year. And based on how radical quite a few of his supporters have become, that’s exactly what seems to be happening. If you don’t believe me, let me show you what I mean. From what I’ve been experiencing (and the feedback I’ve gotten from many other liberals as well), many Sanders supporters are radical, aggressive and sometimes even borderline “bully-ish” when it comes to anyone who might dare doubt anything to do with Bernie Sanders.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 4:44:00am

Heh, if the most pessimistic claim is true, and the Bernie-bots withhold their vote and drive down D voter turnout, it might be an exquisite quirk of history, that this is the same election cycle the GOP decided to collectively shit the bed with their candidate.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 4:47:41am

re: #149 Ming5000

My #150 wasn’t crafted as an answer to your post, but it might as well be. I’m trying to use some of that lofty optimism the kids are using these days.

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 4:47:56am

re: #150 Alyosha

I read an article about the mental reasons that the RWNJs act the way they do. The article was an actual psychological analysis. Cannot recall exactly where I saw it and cannot find it now.
I would love to see a similar analysis of the radical Bernie supporters. Their behavior is not fact or reason based.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 13, 2016 • 4:50:22am

re: #150 Alyosha

Heh, if the most pessimistic claim is true, and the Bernie-bots withhold their vote and drive down D voter turnout, it might be an exquisite quirk of history, that this is the same election cycle the GOP decided to collectively shit the bed with their candidate.

I wonder if we could see splits within both parties: the leftists abandon the Dems and the RWNJs abandon the Republicans, and either form new parties or glom onto existing ones.

Then I wonder what the USA would be like with four major political parties.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 4:51:58am

re: #152 Ming5000

I read an article about the mental reasons that the RWNJs act the way they do. The article was an actual psychological analysis. Cannot recall exactly where I saw it and cannot find it now.
I would love to see a similar analysis of the radical Bernie supporters. Their behavior is not fact or reason based.

CNN had an interview on Zakarias’ show which referred to a study on those who acted more on authoritarian impulses. Apparently it had a bit to do with how people are raised (shocker!). I was fading in and out.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 4:54:14am

re: #153 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I wonder if we could see splits within both parties: the leftists abandon the Dems and the RWNJs abandon the Republicans, and either form new parties or glom onto existing ones.

Then I wonder what the USA would be like with four major political parties.

For a little while, maybe. The leftists in that scenario probably don’t have the local and state infrastructure in place in order to thrive like the right side would.

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 4:54:51am

re: #153 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I wonder if we could see splits within both parties: the leftists abandon the Dems and the RWNJs abandon the Republicans, and either form new parties or glom onto existing ones.

I think Berniebots and Trumpsters have a lot in common. I could see them all aligning under Trump.
Not beholding
Speaks the TRUTH
umm.. Freedom
Edit: Also:
Not Shillary
Make America Great Again

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 4:56:46am

re: #153 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’ll put it this way: which party would be able to reabsorb their splinter group faster? The Dems are having a lover’s spat.
WTF is going on on the other side?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 13, 2016 • 4:58:29am

re: #157 Alyosha

I’ll put it this way: which party would be able to reabsorb their splinter group faster? The Dems are having a lover’s spat.
WTF is going on on the other side?

The keepers are trying to keep the inmates from taking over the asylum, and losing.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:01:35am

The gauntlet crashed to the ground.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:01:38am

re: #156 Ming5000

I think Berniebots and Trumpsters have a lot in common. I could see them all aligning under Trump.
Not beholding
Speaks the TRUTH
umm.. Freedom
Edit: Also:
Not Shillery
Make America Great Again

The comments I see in my FB feed from both groups sound remarkably similar. Candidate X is not a crook. He is different. He has bold ideas. He says what needs to be said. Everyone else are corporate politicos. And so on.

I don’t engage them. It’s pointless to debate politics on either Twitter or Facebook.

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:05:16am

re: #159 Alyosha

The gauntlet crashed to the ground.

[Embedded content]

This would be funnier if this wasn’t real life.

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451_Montag  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:07:03am

My problem with the Berniebots isn’t wether they will vote for Trump over Hillary. I am sure they will come to their senses at that point.

What I worry about is if someone like Kasich gets the nod at the convention. Could I see them voting in protest when the GOP nominee is a “moderate” (less outwardly batshit). That I could see happening.

Scares the shit out of me.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:09:26am

re: #162 451_Montag

My problem with the Berniebots isn’t wether they will vote for Trump over Hillary. I am sure they will come to their senses at that point.

What I worry about is if someone like Kasich gets the nod at the convention. Could I see them voting in protest when the GOP nominee is a “moderate” (less outwardly batshit). That I could see happening.

Scares the shit out of me.

It’d take a brokered convention for that to happen at this point and do you think Trump would let that stand?

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:11:18am
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451_Montag  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:18:25am

re: #163 Alyosha

It’d take a brokered convention for that to happen at this point and do you think Trump would let that stand?

I think at that point he would have no choice but to burn it all down and go 3rd party. His brand is fucked now, he has got nothing left. He has only a couple of options left. The first is win, of lose big enough with a scapegoat (the gop). Part of me thinks he believes he could win 3rd party, but to do that he would have to destroy the GOP, and do you have any doubt that he would go that route?

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:24:01am

re: #165 451_Montag

I think at that point he would have no choice but to burn it all down and go 3rd party.

With Trump’s so-easy slide into the rhetoric of, and actually condoning, the use of violence, I can only imagine how bad things will get if the GOP does not acquiesce to Trump at the convention. I do not think Trump will walk away.
This is the party of 2nd Amendment solutions to things.

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b.d.  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:26:33am

re: #163 Alyosha

It’d take a brokered convention for that to happen at this point and do you think Trump would let that stand?

Ross Douthat is this mornings evil liberal NYT tries to make the point that the only reason the parties even have conventions is to stop people like Trump from getting the nomination.

nytimes.com

It is quite a screed where he claims that the primaries are just an soothing illusion to placate the masses.

You want to know how the GOP can lose more states than with Trump, install someone who the party voters think has no claim to the nomination.

Good morning all.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:38:15am

re: #86 Alyosha

When the stated endgoal is nothing short of revolution, the accumulation of weapons for a perceived need to defend oneself from the government is pretty predictable.
Mad, but predictable.

And of course if you read the actual Constitution, instead of the wingnuts’ imaginary one, you will see that one of the purposes of the “well regulated militia” referenced in the Second Amendment is so that Congress can call upon it to suppress rebellion, which is exactly what happened during the Whiskey Rebellion, in which President Washington himself led troops onto the field to put down tax protestors, i.e., the Tea Party of that era. IOW, the purpose of the Second Amendment is the exact opposite of what the wingnuts claim.

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:39:37am

Across three studies, we examined the role of self-evaluation in predicting conspiracy beliefs. Previous research linked the endorsement of conspiracy theories to low self-esteem. We propose that conspiracy theories should rather be appealing to individuals with exaggerated feelings of self-love, such as narcissists, due to their paranoid tendencies.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:41:51am

re: #96 Nyet

Make Pluto a planet again!

Pluto doesn’t care how we characterize it; Pluto is what it is. Our labeling systems are mere rough approximations of reality.

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:43:42am

Edit: The site had several other public figures, such as Trump. But, there was no HRC

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:51:09am

re: #110 LastYearsMan

It’s interesting to be old enough to have seen several splittist “revolutions” come and go. From Ross Perot (who was saying about 60% of the same things Trump is now), to Buchanan to Trump now (not to mention in other countries). When I was young, I appreciated the sentiment of wanting to make a radical change. But having seen so many revolutions go bad, I’m much less indulgent now. Ugly, mainstream compromises often have a good point, however unpleasant the process is.

There is a good point in there though, that forcing American voters to choose between just two political parties is not serving us well. I think that there is a good chance that adopting an election system that includes proportional representation could help make Congress functional again. With Congress no longer divided between “us” and “them”, “them” being the evil people who want to destroy America, and instead including representatives from three or more parties, the art of deal making and compromise could return. And maybe people would be a little less disgusted and cynical about government if they had more election choices so they didn’t feel forced to either vote for the “lesser of two evils,” or not vote at all.

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b.d.  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:52:17am

re: #171 Ming5000

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You would think that the search for the new Ron Paul would have settled on a guy a little bit younger than him, those guys will have to do this all over again in a year or two.

There is another reason that when they discover the Dalai Lama again he is always a kid.

//

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Decatur Deb  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:52:53am

re: #96 Nyet

Make Pluto a planet again!

There is a small increase or decrease in the speed of Pluto’s rotation, depending on what we call it. The effect is right at the threshold of detectability.

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:54:17am

re: #4 Nyet

Mystery Deepens Over Death of Former Putin Ally Mikhail Lesin

Weird.

I had not picked up until now that Mikhail Lesin helped create the RT television media.

wiki. Under Putin from April 6, 2004, until November 18, 2009, he became adviser to the President of the Russian Federation for mass media relations.[1][5][7] During his tenure and beginning in 2005, Lesin helped conceive and create the RT (Russia Today) television news network, he said, “to establish a news channel that would counter CNN and BBC with a Moscow spin. It’s been a long time since I was scared by the word propaganda. We need to promote Russia internationally. Otherwise, we’d just look like roaring bears on the prowl.”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:56:21am

re: #173 b.d.

You would think that the search for the new Ron Paul would have settled on a guy a little bit younger than him, those guys will have to do this all over again in a year or two.

There is another reason that when they discover the Dalai Lama again he is always a kid.

//

Maybe not this time around. The present Dalai Lama has said there will be no replacement, because reasons. Meanwhile, the Beijing government says they have already located the next Dalai Lama.
en.wikipedia.org

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:56:24am

re: #56 Nyet

Apparently the guy on the flag is Eric Sheppard:

washingtonpost.com

So OK, the guy seems to be a racist scumbag, but I don’t see how it is at all related to the current situation.

He seems nice:



In the Words of Our Fallen General Dr. Khallid Abdul Muhammad:

”We give them 24 hours to get out of town by sundown. I say, if they don’t get out of town, we kill the white men, we kill the white women, we kill the white children, we kill the white babies, we kill the blind whites, we kill the crippled whites, we kill the crazy whites, we kill the faggots, we kill the lesbians, I say god dammit we kill ‘em all.
If they are white kill ‘em all. Why kill the women? Why kill the babies? They are just innocent blue-eyed babies? Because god dammit they are going to grow up one day to rule your babies. Kill them now. Why kill the white women? I say kill the white women because the women are the military manufacturing center. And every nine months they lay down on their backs and reinforcement rolls out from between their legs, so shut down the military manufacturing center by killing the white woman.”
Why kill the old crackkkas? The old crippled crackkkas. How in the hell you think they got old? They got old oppressing and killing black people.
Kill ‘em all. Kill the faggot. I said after you’ve killed them all…… I say then you go to the goddamn grave, and dig ‘em up, and then kill ‘em a-god-damn gain because they didn’t die hard enough!” 

In the Words of my Brotha Sara Suten Seti, “[Our] Mission is to Slay the Children of this [White] Beast One by Goddamn One!” 



valdostadailytimes.com

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:56:48am

re: #172 Big Beautiful Door

So, it makes sense at some point for Bernie to negotiate something from Hillary to help bring Bernie and the Berniebots into the fold.
I suppose something like that happened between Pres. Obama and HRC back in the Sec State deal.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:58:56am

re: #178 Ming5000

So, it makes sense at some point for Bernie to negotiate something from Hillary to help bring Nernie and the Berniebots into the fold.
I suppose something like that happened between Pres. Obama and HRC back in the Sec State deal.

Ambassador to Cuba
/

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Renaissance_Man  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:59:14am

re: #172 Big Beautiful Door

There is a good point in there though, that forcing American voters to choose between just two political parties is not serving us well. I think that there is a good chance that adopting an election system that includes proportional representation could help make Congress functional again. With Congress no longer divided between “us” and “them”, “them” being the evil people who want to destroy America, and instead including representatives from three or more parties, the art of deal making and compromise could return. And maybe people would be a little less disgusted and cynical about government if they had more election choices so they didn’t feel forced to either vote for the “lesser of two evils,” or not vote at all.

There are few ills in the US political system that could not be fixed by adding both proportional voting and mandatory voting.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:00:11am

re: #176 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Maybe not this time around. The present Dalai Lama has said there will be no replacement, because reasons. Meanwhile, the Beijing government says they have already located the next Dalai Lama.
en.wikipedia.org

Strangely, we’re seeing a fresh crop of Ron Paul bumper stickers on lampposts and such around town.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:01:00am

re: #179 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Ambassador to CubaTexas
/

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Brian J.  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:01:21am

re: #178 Ming5000

So, it makes sense at some point for Bernie to negotiate something from Hillary to help bring Nernie and the Berniebots into the fold.
I suppose something like that happened between Pres. Obama and HRC back in the Sec State deal.

At this point, Hillary should negotiate the way Mr. Burns did after Homer tried to extort money out of him after a faked car wreck:

Burns: I’m going to write a figure on this piece of paper. It’s not quite as large as the last one, but I think you’ll find it fair.
(draws a giant zero)
Hutz: I think we should take it.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:01:24am

re: #181 Decatur Deb

Strangely, we’re seeing a fresh crop of Ron Paul bumper stickers on lampposts and such around town.

So Rand is not the incarnation of the next Ron Paul lama?

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:01:43am

re: #177 Nyet

Oh, they actually arrested him. Nice.

wctv.tv

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b.d.  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:02:24am

re: #176 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Maybe not this time around. The present Dalai Lama has said there will be no replacement, because reasons. Meanwhile, the Beijing government says they have already located the next Dalai Lama.
en.wikipedia.org

What a quote:

Naturally my next life is entirely up to me. No one else.

I could spend the rest of the day just pondering that quote.

Will China appoint the next Dalai Lama in Cleveland this summer? They could save some money on riot police protection?

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:03:03am

re: #137 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Too much fragmentation —> failure overall.

My worry is the Bernie-bots will just not vote at all, or vote for the Republican nominee out of spite, because they hate Hillary with the heat of a thousand suns.

The vocal ones spouting on social media are a fraction of his total support. I expect that the vast majority of Bernie voters will vote for Hillary in November and very few will vote for Trump. This all happened before, when there was supposedly a huge movement of Hillary supporters in 2008 who were going to vote for McCain, and we saw how that turned out.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:03:28am

re: #184 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

So Rand is not the incarnation of the next Ron Paul lama?

Or somebody got caught with a backpack full of stickers.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:04:12am

re: #180 Renaissance_Man

There are few ills in the US political system that could not be fixed by adding both proportional voting and mandatory voting.

Americans hate mandates, but we should at the very least make voting as convenient as possible.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:05:09am

re: #186 b.d.

What a quote:

I could spend the rest of the day just pondering that quote.

Will China appoint the next Dalai Lama in Cleveland this summer? They could save some money on riot police protection?

They’d need to wait until the present DL (#14) passes on before #15 can take over.

Imagine an outside power telling a population, “Don’t worry! We’ve already chosen your temporal and religious leader. Kick back and relax.”

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Kent Dorfman  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:07:21am

re: #180 Renaissance_Man

I would be happy to get rid of gerrymandering districts.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:09:50am

re: #162 451_Montag

My problem with the Berniebots isn’t wether they will vote for Trump over Hillary. I am sure they will come to their senses at that point.

What I worry about is if someone like Kasich gets the nod at the convention. Could I see them voting in protest when the GOP nominee is a “moderate” (less outwardly batshit). That I could see happening.

Scares the shit out of me.

But Kasich could only get the nomination if the establishment “steals” it from Trump at the GOP Convention, and the GOP would lose its enraged Base.

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b.d.  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:09:57am

re: #190 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Imagine an outside power telling a population, “Don’t worry! We’ve already chosen your temporal and religious leader. Kick back and relax.”

Just to be clear, we’re talking about who will be the leader of Tibetan Buddhism and not who is going to be the GOP nominee right?

//

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:11:23am

re: #165 451_Montag

I think at that point he would have no choice but to burn it all down and go 3rd party. His brand is fucked now, he has got nothing left. He has only a couple of options left. The first is win, of lose big enough with a scapegoat (the gop). Part of me thinks he believes he could win 3rd party, but to do that he would have to destroy the GOP, and do you have any doubt that he would go that route?

I do. For one thing, it would just be too late for Trump to get on the ballot in many if not most states.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:14:13am

re: #193 b.d.

Just to be clear, we’re talking about who will be the leader of Tibetan Buddhism and not who is going to be the GOP nominee right?

//

Uh, right! Exactly! {Looks askance}

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:16:15am

re: #167 b.d.

Ross Douthat is this mornings evil liberal NYT tries to make the point that the only reason the parties even have conventions is to stop people like Trump from getting the nomination.

nytimes.com

It is quite a screed where he claims that the primaries are just an soothing illusion to placate the masses.

You want to know how the GOP can lose more states than with Trump, install someone who the party voters think has no claim to the nomination.

Good morning all.

Good morning. Right now the GOP’s options are bad and worse. The Democrats, in contrast, are just having a typical bruising primary campaign much like 2008, which we should remember resulted in a landslide victory despite the bitterness of some Hillary supporters.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:16:25am

re: #189 Big Beautiful Door

Americans hate mandates, but we should at the very least make voting as convenient as possible.

For many of my saner neighbors, not-voting is a vote. They are not lazy or careless, they are hope-less.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:20:56am

re: #178 Ming5000

So, it makes sense at some point for Bernie to negotiate something from Hillary to help bring Bernie and the Berniebots into the fold.
I suppose something like that happened between Pres. Obama and HRC back in the Sec State deal.

I don’t know that there was an actual deal like that. Hillary is a good politician, and she knew her best bet was to be a loyal soldier when she lost and back the party’s nominee.

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b.d.  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:21:05am

I know the Sandbaggers claim that polls don’t count since Michigan but still:

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lawhawk  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:22:15am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. This weekend has seen:

1) riots/near riots at Trump rallies. Multiple arrests, and Trump cancelled one appearance.
2) The other GOP candidates still wont disavow Trump, and undermine their claims that they don’t approve of Trump when they all still say that they’ll support Trump if he’s the nominee (and that’s still the most likely outcome, especially as he’s leading in FL and OH, which are winner take all primaries this week) and could result in Rubio and Kasich dropping out).
3) Hillary continues to be her own worst enemy with unforced errors in her statement about Nancy Reagan and AIDS. She almost immediately provided a correction to that statement - Nancy did become a strong proponent of research on Alzheimers, but the Reagans were absolutely horrific when it came to the AIDS response.
4) Bernie’s supporters continue to be the worst thing about Bernie Sanders’ campaign.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:22:19am

re: #196 Big Beautiful Door

Good morning. Right now the GOP’s options are bad and worse. The Democrats, in contrast, are just having a typical bruising primary campaign much like 2008, which we should remember resulted in a landslide victory despite the bitterness of some Hillary supporters.

The NY Times article I referenced above strongly suggests Trump is running mostly to fuck the GOP over for not taking his earlier overtures of help seriously. He got the cold shoulder from Romney and other party Establishment, who thought he was a charlatan and kibbitzer. So, he set off creating his own campaign independent of the party, just to show them he was serious.

It’s anyone’s guess as to Trump’s own expectations of winning the election. Despite his bluster, he may be doing this just to make a point to the GOP, and salve his bruised ego, not to in fact become president.

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ninja cat  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:24:03am

Just realized I’ve been following the Trump barricade jumper on Twitter. Didn’t even notice til now he was the same person who protested at Stone Mountain last year and had a gun almost pulled on him.

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b.d.  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:24:26am

Rubio not winning? It must be a day ending in y

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:25:34am

re: #197 Decatur Deb

For many of my saner neighbors, not-voting is a vote. They are not lazy or careless, they are hope-less.

And that is the type of person we need to win back into hoping enough to vote again. And I think the best way to do that is to give them more options through proportional representation.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:25:49am

re: #203 b.d.

Rubio not winning? It must be a day ending in y

The spring in Marco’s windup mechanism is running down.

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:25:58am

re: #179 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Ambassador to Cuba
/

As gigs go, that would be a sweet one.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:26:21am

re: #199 b.d.

I know the Sandbaggers claim that polls don’t count since Michigan but still:

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Its unlikely that every poll is as wrong as Michigan’s poll was.

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b.d.  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:27:30am

Ohio is winner take all and a Kasich win just screws the GOP over even more.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:28:29am

re: #206 Ming5000

As gigs go, that would be a sweet one.

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A friend of mine has been vacationing there with her parents on some kind of intercultural tour. She loves it!

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Decatur Deb  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:29:03am

re: #204 Big Beautiful Door

And that is the type of person we need to win back into hoping enough to vote again. And I think the best way to do that is to give them more options through proportional representation.

The bad news—some who haven’t voted in years are talking about Trump, entirely because he presents a big FU to a non-responsive system.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:29:11am

re: #208 b.d.

Tuesday’s going be fun to watch.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:29:51am

re: #200 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. This weekend has seen:

1) riots/near riots at Trump rallies. Multiple arrests, and Trump cancelled one appearance.
2) The other GOP candidates still wont disavow Trump, and undermine their claims that they don’t approve of Trump when they all still say that they’ll support Trump if he’s the nominee (and that’s still the most likely outcome, especially as he’s leading in FL and OH, which are winner take all primaries this week) and could result in Rubio and Kasich dropping out).
3) Hillary continues to be her own worst enemy with unforced errors in her statement about Nancy Reagan and AIDS. She almost immediately provided a correction to that statement - Nancy did become a strong proponent of research on Alzheimers, but the Reagans were absolutely horrific when it came to the AIDS response.
4) Bernie’s supporters continue to be the worst thing about Bernie Sanders’ campaign.

Though Rubio and Kasich are edging close to doing so. This year is so weird, I can’t rule out any possibility of a large portion of the GOP disavowing its own nominee and running an alternative, though the hour to get one on the ballot in most states is growing very late.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:32:06am

re: #201 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The NY Times article I referenced above strongly suggests Trump is running mostly to fuck the GOP over for not taking his earlier overtures of help seriously. He got the cold shoulder from Romney and other party Establishment, who thought he was a charlatan and kibbitzer. So, he set off creating his own campaign independent of the party, just to show them he was serious.

It’s anyone’s guess as to Trump’s own expectations of winning the election. Despite his bluster, he may be doing this just to make a point to the GOP, and salve his bruised ego, not to in fact become president.

Your guess is as good as mine. Its certainly the most bizarre presidential campaign I’ve ever seen.

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b.d.  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:32:27am

re: #211 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Tuesday’s going be fun to watch.

If Marco doesn’t drop out Tuesday night it will be obvious that he is holding out hope of being given a stolen nomination in Cleveland.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:35:02am

re: #215 b.d.

If Marco doesn’t drop out Tuesday night it will be obvious that he is holding out hope of being given a stolen nomination in Cleveland.

Rubio vs. Clinton will be a debacle for the GOP.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:35:08am

re: #203 b.d.

Rubio not winning? It must be a day ending in y

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There are two days left in the Rubio campaign. One wonders what goes on in the minds of the people working in a doomed campaign. Are they all so frantically busy that they haven’t stopped to think about it? Are they just going through the motions while they update their resumes? Are they simply in denial, sure their man is going to win a race altering victory in Florida Tuesday?

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:36:00am

re: #215 b.d.

If Marco doesn’t drop out Tuesday night it will be obvious that he is holding out hope of being given a stolen nomination in Cleveland.

I wonder how he can ever live this down?

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Decatur Deb  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:37:38am

re: #217 Big Beautiful Door

There are two days left in the Rubio campaign. One wonders what goes on in the minds of the people working in a doomed campaign. Are they all so frantically busy that they haven’t stopped to think about it? Are they just going through the motions while they update their resumes? Are they simply in denial, sure their man is going to win a race altering victory in Florida Tuesday?

They are just being tested. Destiny and the new vengance weapons will reverse their fortunes.

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:38:40am

re: #216 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Rubio vs. Clinton will be a debacle for the GOP.

For anyone who cares about a functioning government, and wants to get actual policies enacted, HRC vs “Anybody Running” is a no brainer. HRC is so experienced, and now seasoned by fire, that it will be hard to have a successful debate against her. IMO

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:39:21am

re: #208 b.d.

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Ohio is winner take all and a Kasich win just screws the GOP over even more.

Depends if you think that a Trump nomination is worse than a contested Convention for the GOP. Death by firing squad or death by hanging? They are screwed either way. The only way this isn’t a total disaster is if somehow Cruz can win a majority of the delegates before the convention, and even that is terrible to contemplate for a lot of the establishment.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:40:23am

re: #220 Ming5000

For anyone who cares about a functioning government, and wants to get actual policies enacted, HRC vs “Anybody Running” is a no brainer. HRC is so experienced, and now seasoned by fire, that it will be hard to have a successful debate against her. IMO

I have not watched any of the debates so far, but I plan to watch the Clinton v. GOP nominee debates, just to see her wipe the floor with her opponent.

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451_Montag  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:40:45am

re: #194 Big Beautiful Door

I do. For one thing, it would just be too late for Trump to get on the ballot in many if not most states.

True, but it plays into the “not being fair” narrative. In a normal year maybe this could all be sorted out like adults, but this year I don’t know.

I don’t see an exit strategy for Trump as his brand is becoming worthless. I don’t see an exit strategy where the GOP can be competitive. I’m sort of leaning to the GOP coming to terms with losing a battle, but save the party for 2020. A brokered convention looks like the GOPs only chance of saving themselves.

Have to say, I’m torn between the schadenfreude of the situation, and the fear of an incident handing Trump the top job.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:41:39am

re: #210 Decatur Deb

The bad news—some who haven’t voted in years are talking about Trump, entirely because he presents a big FU to a non-responsive system.

I think in the end such voters will be swamped by people voting who find Trump morally repugnant. This could be the biggest landslide win for the Democrats since ‘64, though it won’t be that big because the nation is so much more polarized than it was then.

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:42:05am

re: #222 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

LOL.. yes.. me too. Should be good. Especially against Trump. (Do I always have to say “God Forbid” or something like that when referencing Trump?)

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Decatur Deb  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:43:13am

re: #220 Ming5000

For anyone who cares about a functioning government, and wants to get actual policies enacted, HRC vs “Anybody Running” is a no brainer. HRC is so experienced, and now seasoned by fire, that it will be hard to have a successful debate against her. IMO

Three possible scenarios, all externals:

Severe global economic implosion: Great Recession II
ISIS/Al Queda get lucky again
Unknown Unknown of some painful severity

In all cases, time is running out despite fervent prayers for disaster from the RWNJs.

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451_Montag  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:43:40am

re: #221 Big Beautiful Door

Depends if you think that a Trump nomination is worse than a contested Convention for the GOP. Death by firing squad or death by hanging? They are screwed either way. The only way this isn’t a total disaster is if somehow Cruz can win a majority of the delegates before the convention, and even that is terrible to contemplate for a lot of the establishment.

Time for Rubio to project a hologram repeating “Help me Teddy Cruz, you’re our only hope”

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:44:33am

re: #216 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Rubio vs. Clinton will be a debacle for the GOP.

Right now I don’t see any option which wouldn’t be a debacle for the GOP.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:45:39am

re: #225 Ming5000

LOL.. yes.. me too. Should be good. Especially against Trump. (Do I always have to say “God Forbid” or something like that when referencing Trump?)

Tuesday’s results will indicate if we need divine intervention. If Kasich can take Ohio, and Cruz/Rubio can manage to make Trump bleed in Florida, Trump may lose momentum. That’s what I’m hoping, anyway.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:48:06am

Never understood the complaining about DST. I spent a grand total of 45 seconds fixing the clocks. I also think that 1 hour more or less of sleep on a single night is meaningless. You get varying quality and quantity of sleep every night. I believe that people undervalue the benefits of daylight. Most people don’t synch their lifestyles to the rising and setting of the sun anymore, instead they wake and sleep according to the clock. For that reason I think that the extra daylight of the summer would be wasted when the sun rises when everybody is still in bed. It also makes it possible to enjoy outdoor activities longer than you could otherwise.

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b.d.  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:48:23am

Later fine people.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:49:10am

re: #222 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I have not watched any of the debates so far, but I plan to watch the Clinton v. GOP nominee debates, just to see her wipe the floor with her opponent.

Everybody thought Joe Biden would wipe the floor with Palin, but he had to treat her with kid gloves.

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451_Montag  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:49:37am

re: #226 Decatur Deb

Three possible scenarios, all externals:

Severe global economic implosion: Great Recession II
ISIS/Al Queda get lucky again
Unknown Unknown of some painful severity

In all cases, time is running out despite fervent prayers for disaster from the RWNJs.

And what a state of affairs where you just know a major political party really is hoping for a disaster

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lawhawk  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:50:05am

Yeah, Trump’s going there. He’s actively supporting thugs who assault people at his rallies. He is actively encouraging violence at his events.

Sociopathy? Check.
Racist? Check.
Xenophobic? Check.

GOP nominee? still on course.
Other candidates still saying that they’ll support Trump if he’s the nominee.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:50:06am

re: #229 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Tuesday’s results will indicate if we need divine intervention. If Kasich can take Ohio, and Cruz/Rubio can manage to make Trump bleed in Florida, Trump may lose momentum. That’s what I’m hoping, anyway.

Which almost certainly results in a contested convention, since there is little chance that Cruz can win a majority of the delegates. And the GOP deserves this mess, because they have spent decades cultivating the kind of voters Trump has co-opted: racist, fearful and angry.

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:50:25am

re: #229 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Ever since the Bristal Palin season of DWTS I resist strategically rooting for someone in the hopes that they will be helpful to my ultimate goal. I am too fallible.
I think some people in Michigan who voted in the Republican primary hurt their real choice for party nominee…

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:51:33am

re: #228 Big Beautiful Door

Right now I don’t see any option which wouldn’t be a debacle for the GOP.

All scenarios are a debacle for US, but not the GOP. Republican voters will turn out no matter what, and we’ve seen the types of candidates they’ll vote for over the last 20 years. The only thing that will be a debacle for the GOP is if Democratic voters actually show up.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:54:57am

re: #233 451_Montag

And what a state of affairs where you just know a major political party really is hoping for a disaster

Shows up most clearly in the absurd denial that much of the economy and unemployment have substantially recovered from the 2008 hit. That’s been the mantra (U6, labor participation) all through the Obama recovery. Can’t imagine what’s coloring their thinking.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:55:58am

re: #232 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Everybody thought Joe Biden would wipe the floor with Palin, but he had to treat her with kid gloves.

Saved all his joyous energy for Paul Ryan.

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451_Montag  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:56:19am

re: #237 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

All scenarios are a debacle for US, but not the GOP. Republican voters will turn out no matter what, and we’ve seen the types of candidates they’ll vote for over the last 20 years. The only thing that will be a debacle for the GOP is if Democratic voters actually show up.

Not so sure. I think Palin was a net negative at the end of the day. I can see centrist Republicans sitting Trump out. Not in massive numbers but in the general 1 or 2% makes a huge difference.

If you are fiscally right wing, but socially neutral not voting Trump may seem reasonable.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:56:52am

re: #239 Alyosha

Saved all his joyous energy for Paul Ryan.

Biden paid his freight that night.

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stpaulbear  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:57:08am

Gah. I set back all of my clocks before sundown last night so I could start to adjust to DST, but I forgot to set the clock on my setback thermostat so the house was cold when I got up to feed the cat this morning. The start of DST screws up my inner clock for weeks.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:57:08am

re: #237 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

All scenarios are a debacle for US, but not the GOP. Republican voters will turn out no matter what, and we’ve seen the types of candidates they’ll vote for over the last 20 years. The only thing that will be a debacle for the GOP is if Democratic voters actually show up.

The good thing about Trump as the GOP nominee is that he is such a polarizing figure I think huge numbers of people will turnout to express their opinion of him. And if turnout is heavy, the Democrats win.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:58:39am

re: #241 Decatur Deb

Biden paid his freight that night.

Fuckin’-A.

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Lidane  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:02:55am

re: #234 lawhawk

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Lidane  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:05:30am

re: #234 lawhawk

Other candidates still saying that they’ll support Drumpf if he’s the nominee.

Every time I hear Kasich, or Rubio, or Cruz say some variation “Oh, it’s all so horrible! Everything he says is embarrassing to the Republican party and we’re better than this!” only to follow it up with a statement that they’d support Trump anyway if he was the nominee, I want to punch things.

What the fuck good does it do to criticize Trump if you’re going to pledge to support him anyway? Spineless fucking cowards.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:06:16am

Once this primary is done and things have settled where they’re likely to, I don’t think people won’t be receptive to GOTV appeals.
Trump is bad for the GOP because he’s so obviously bad.
Consider The Apprentice. High ratings, but who but the most vapid took it seriously?
About 27%.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:06:36am

re: #240 451_Montag

Not so sure. I think Palin was a net negative at the end of the day. I can see centrist Republicans sitting Trump out. Not in massive numbers but in the general 1 or 2% makes a huge difference.

If you are fiscally right wing, but socially neutral not voting Trump may seem reasonable.

On a right wing website I read, I see comments like this from some hardcore rightwingers:

As much as I hate Hillary as a candidate, I could never vote for trump. I could not sleep at night.

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Danack  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:07:51am

re: #213 Big Beautiful Door

This year is so weird, I can’t rule out any possibility of a large portion of the GOP disavowing its own nominee and running an alternative,

I agree that it’s possible that they would disavow the nominee - but I can’t see them running an alternative doing that would completely split the GOP supporters.

If instead, the GOP establishment just completely back off the president election, and say “The GOP party is going to focus on electing a Republican Congress and Senate to allow conservative goals to be reached, no matter what the result of the Presidential election is”, would be a far more achievable goal, and one that might delay the splitting of the Republican party.

I doubt it would work though.

Everything else that the GOP says that it’s voters care about (tax cutting, less regulation etc) has been shown to be a scam. It’s pretty clear that the people on the right, who are most invested in politics are determined to get elect people who are going to be out-right racists and border-line fascist, and they want someone who is going to re-establish white people’s dominance in society.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:07:53am

re: #246 Lidane

Every time I hear Kasich, or Rubio, or Cruz say some variation “Oh, it’s all so horrible! Everything he says is embarrassing to the Republican party and we’re better than this!” only to follow it up with a statement that they’d support Trump anyway if he was the nominee, I want to punch things.

What the fuck good does it do to criticize Trump if you’re going to pledge to support him anyway? Spineless fucking cowards.

Rubio and Kasich have been making statements edging closer to disavowing Trump. Don’t know if they will go all the way or not.

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lawhawk  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:08:01am

re: #246 Lidane

Every time I hear Kasich, or Rubio, or Cruz say some variation “Oh, it’s all so horrible! Everything he says is embarrassing to the Republican party and we’re better than this!” only to follow it up with a statement that they’d support Trump anyway if he was the nominee, I want to punch things.

What the fuck good does it do to criticize Trump if you’re going to pledge to support him anyway? Spineless fucking cowards.

Party before country. They want the votes and voters. They can’t escape politics and think that their actions don’t have consequences. It’s the party of personal responsibility in action (or is it inaction). The GOP has completely gone off the rails, and Trump is the natural consequence. He’s not the problem. The GOP is the problem, and all the other candidates are explicitly and implicitly involved in it.

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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:09:17am

I thought Palin was bad. The Trumpenfuhrer phenomenon is absolutely the lowest point of politics I can recall in my lifetime. And I seriously doubt we’ve hit bottom yet.

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lawhawk  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:11:21am

re: #250 Big Beautiful Door

I doubt they’ll do it, especially Kasich. Rubio’s out of the Senate after all this, and he’s done with politics if he can’t win FL this week. There’s a chance he might go be the voice of reason, bu the time for that was when Trump announced his run and decided to go full-metal extremist with his xenophobia and racism. Rubio and Kasich are still trying to woo Trump voters. They can’t do it all while disavowing Trump.

Any GOP explicitly disavowing would be seen as the enemy by the GOP rank and file voters that have been fed years-long irrational hate, fear, and anger over other people attaining the same equal rights and protections that they take for granted.

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ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:12:08am

Help!

I am drowning in a sea of political commercials…many one after another. Hillary is on right now, just saw Ted. Before the last local news segment it was Bernie and Trump…and now Kasich.

Ayeeeeeeeeee…send life vests to Ohio.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:12:49am

re: #249 Danack

I agree that it’s possible that they would disavow the nominee - but I can’t see them running an alternative doing that would completely split the GOP supporters.

If instead, the GOP establishment just completely back off the president election, and say “The GOP party is going to focus on electing a Republican Congress and Senate to allow conservative goals to be reached, no matter what the result of the Presidential election is”, would be a far more achievable goal, and one that might delay the splitting of the Republican party.

I doubt it would work though.

Everything else that the GOP says that it’s voters care about (tax cutting, less regulation etc) has been shown to be a scam. It’s pretty clear that the people on the right, who are most invested in politics are determined to get elect people who are going to be out-right racists and border-line fascist, and they want someone who is going to re-establish white people’s dominance in society.

The GOP is becoming a white nationalist party because that is the base of voters it has. It has a lot of stakeholders invested in that Base, as we have seen from its inability to follow through with its 2012 reform plan and pass an immigration deal.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:13:43am

re: #251 lawhawk

Party before country. They want the votes and voters. They can’t escape politics and think that their actions don’t have consequences. It’s the party of personal responsibility in action (or is it inaction). The GOP has completely gone off the rails, and Trump is the natural consequence. He’s not the problem. The GOP is the problem, and all the other candidates are explicitly and implicitly involved in it.

Let all the poisons which lurk in the mud hatch out!

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:15:01am

re: #254 ObserverArt

Help!

I am drowning in a sea of political commercials…many one after another. Hillary is on right now, just saw Ted. Before the last local news segment it was Bernie and Trump…and now Kasich.

Ayeeeeeeeeee…send life vests to Ohio.

Turn off the TV until Wednesday!

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Lidane  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:15:18am

re: #254 ObserverArt

Help!

I am drowning in a sea of political commercials…many one after another. Hillary is on right now, just saw Ted. Before the last local news segment it was Bernie and Trump…and now Kasich.

Ayeeeeeeeeee…send life vests to Ohio.

I suffered through that here in Texas not too long ago. My condolences.

I could swear that some of the state candidates were holding back on their ad budgets until election day because I saw the same commercials over and over and over and over that morning. It was maddening.

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:18:18am

re: #256 Big Beautiful Door

Let all the poisons which lurk in the mud hatch out!

It probably is a good thing that all the subtext is coming out more explicitly.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:20:37am

re: #252 SoundGuy 2016

I thought Palin was bad. The Trumpenfuhrer phenomenon is absolutely the lowest point of politics I can recall in my lifetime. And I seriously doubt we’ve hit bottom yet.

It seems the GOP and the conservatives find a new low to sink to every couple years. I agree, I thought Palin was rock bottom. But she was followed by losers like Allen West, Gohmert, Bachmann, etc, etc., Sadly, something even worse than Trump will crawl out of the sewers over the next 2 years. It’s not a far stretch of the imagination to see something like Ted Nugent or Alex Jones run for office at this point in the near future.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:21:39am

People sometimes ask of a Donald Trump presidency, ‘it can’t happen, can it?’
And because I spend so much of my time here, I can’t say just ‘yes’ or ‘no’.
Usually I start with, ‘It depends…’

That’s still the only thing that scares me.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:24:21am
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freetoken  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:25:04am

Lots of polls out this morning:

Florida still loves its failed casino owner, by quite a bit.

The interesting race is in Ohio, which the latest Marist poll still has Drumpfskind up by 6, but CBS has him tied with Kasich:

Scribd Document

Same poll has Bernie with a slight lead in Illinois.

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:25:46am

For those on board with eliminating daylight savings time (possible), or for implementing the metric system (highly doubtful), could we get on board with totally wiping out problematic mosquitoes?

reuters As the world focuses on Zika’s rapid advance in the Americas, experts warn the virus that originated in Africa is just one of a growing number of continent-jumping diseases carried by mosquitoes threatening swathes of humanity.

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BeenHereAwhile  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:30:16am

re: #230 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Never understood the complaining about DST. I spent a grand total of 45 seconds fixing the clocks. I also think that 1 hour more or less of sleep on a single night is meaningless. You get varying quality and quantity of sleep every night. I believe that people undervalue the benefits of daylight. Most people don’t synch their lifestyles to the rising and setting of the sun anymore, instead they wake and sleep according to the clock. For that reason I think that the extra daylight of the summer would be wasted when the sun rises when everybody is still in bed. It also makes it possible to enjoy outdoor activities longer than you could otherwise.

The chicken farmers in Central FL, where I grew up, would complain that changing from EST to DST to EST confused the chickens.

I think that was my first inkling that people will say things they can’t possibly believe for political purposes.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:30:54am

I used to scoff at such predictions. Now I don’t know.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:33:44am

re: #264 Ming5000

For those on board with eliminating daylight savings time (possible), or for implementing the metric system (highly doubtful), could we get on board with totally wiping out problematic mosquitoes?

Wiping them out is a tall order. Pesticides are a poor option, but I think labs are working on bacteriophage attacks to target specific species. Prevention of mosquito bites is more feasible — even mosquito nets at night will reduce incidence of malaria and dengue fever. There is clothing impregnated with DEET available, but the cost is prohibitive for most residents of tropical countries.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:35:40am

re: #266 Alyosha

I used to scoff at such predictions. Now I don’t know.

Trump threatening to send his supporters to a Bernie rally is scary enough. Even if Trump does not issue the directive, his goons may take it upon themselves to rough up some socialist kid somewhere.

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BeenHereAwhile  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:36:46am

re: #239 Alyosha

Saved all his joyous energy for Paul Ryan.

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:38:24am

re: #267 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Wiping them out is a tall order. Pesticides are a poor option, but I think labs are working on bacteriophage attacks to target specific species. Prevention of mosquito bites is more feasible — even mosquito nets at night will reduce incidence of malaria and dengue fever. There is clothing impregnated with DEET available, but the cost is prohibitive for most residents of tropical countries.

If we agree with getting rid of a whole species, then we can work on a solution.
Yes, pesticides are bad. Prevention of bites is not 100%, and usually involves self applied chemicals.

There have been successful cases of eradication using sterilization of males that were then released. With mosquitoes it is harder to do because of their male bits, so I am told, being delicate.

But research is ongoing. With more public support for solutions would come more $$.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:38:41am

I worry about violence too. The big problem is Trump not only refusing to condemn it. He seems to encourage it. The Republican and right wing establishment is responsible for Turmp and these mindsets no doubt. They’re the ones who begged for Turmp’s support when he was going full birther and did not say a word against the birtherism since it would have hurt them with the base. They have no condemned people who need to open carry a gun everywhere out of fear of offending their gun nut base. So yeah I laugh a bit when NRO tries to “Stop Trump” with first Rubio and now Cruz. You created this. Fix it and stop acting like conservatism is this responsible philosophy because it clearly is not in 21st century America. You created a base filled with bitter people who blame Obama for everything because it was easier to treat the first African-American President like an enemy rather than someone you could work with because to doing the latter may have meant some of you would have lost power.

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ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:38:55am

Chuck Todd panel on Meet The Mess includes “influential radio host Hugh Hewitt.”

I guess. He does influence me to laugh at him and his stupid fluff political comments. Sometimes I am influenced to totally tune out anything he says with the mute button.

Oh look Chuck has Trump on…from some remote location.

Mr. Trump…a little bit about color concept. Regarding that blue suit and vivid blue tie you are wearing, check the color wheel. Blue is directly apposed to orange. This means orange is a going to “pop” like never before when it is surrounded by blue. That means your head looks like big ol’ orange pumpkin.

My apologies to pumpkins everywhere.

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makeitstop  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:40:11am

re: #266 Alyosha

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I used to scoff at such predictions. Now I don’t know.

I’ve been dreading that for a while. He’s made zero effort to dial back the threat, he’s actually doubled and tripled down on it. His followers, like the sucker punch guy, are taking that as a signal that anything goes at his rallies. And LE reaction to the sucker punch - wrestling the dude who got punched to the ground while letting the puncher walk out of the rally - reinforces the perception that anything goes and there are no repercussions.

Trump is either unwilling to back down in order to preserve his tough guy image, or he has no clue as to how to defuse the situation. Or both. But the veiled threat of sending his supporters to Bernie rallies is nervous-making.

That Guardian piece where the reporter got a ticket and went in with the crowd instead of the press pool is truly frightening. To hear him tell it, a lot of those folks are kinda regular people until they get into the venue and the mob mentality takes over.

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freetoken  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:42:24am

Trump’s mobster techniques are getting international coverage:

US presidential election 2016: Indian-origin journalist heckled, detained at Donald Trump’s rally

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:42:35am

re: #273 makeitstop

I’ve been dreading that for a while. He’s made zero effort to dial back the threat, he’s actually doubled and tripled down on it. His followers, like the sucker punch guy, are taking that as a signal that anything goes at his rallies. And LE reaction to the sucker punch - wrestling the dude who got punched to the ground while letting the puncher walk out of the rally - reinforces the perception that anything goes and there are no repercussions.

Trump is either unwilling to back down in order to preserve his tough guy image, or he has no clue as to how to defuse the situation. Or both. But the veiled threat of sending his supporters to Bernie rallies is nervous-making.

That Guardian piece where the reporter got a ticket and went in with the crowd instead of the press pool is truly frightening. To hear him tell it, a lot of those folks are kinda regular people until they get into the venue and the mob mentality takes over.

Several Trump fans vowed that the next time, they would come armed. Some warned that if Trump was not chosen by Republicans, a militia would rise up to take him to power. When an evicted protester appeared at the doors of the Peabody, it was like a scene out of Shirley Jackson’s The Lottery: gazing down at a sea of rage, the demonstrator descended the stairs and the crowd tensed to pounce.
And this is exactly why I support strict gun laws. It’s scary stuff though. I mean what if Trump wins is a scary question but what if Trump loses is starting to become an equally scary question because of what he’s created.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:47:46am

We often accuse politicians and conservatives of “living in a bubble”. In the case of Trump, his public persona is absolutely one of living in a bubble. His ability to accept the fact that his supporters are dangerous, violent, and racist is something like we have never seen in generations. And, where is the fucking media? He has the MSM so afraid to be tough and afraid to call him on the carpet. This is a sad moment for our country.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:50:12am

re: #273 makeitstop

Good article. I think we might see a more investigative brand of journalism rise since it now appears that you can monetise the tearing down of Trump. It was an infection that the media fed to sepsis and now they can maybe, finally drain the boil.
Or am I still esteeming the media to excess?

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:03:04am

re: #107 Nyet

Guess who.

It’s clueless about reality, so I would have to guess Greenwald or Ralph Nader arising from his coma.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:05:42am

This is an example of history repeated as farce.

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ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:06:39am

Did anyone else just have the site go unresponsive and then lose connection?

Maybe I lost one of the hamsters and the connection dropped from my end.

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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:07:08am

Somebody is going to get shot soon. It’s what they want. Paranoia, hate, raging against the other… the justification for shooting an anti-Trump protester is right before our eyes: ‘evil liberal thugs’ perpetuating a victimhood against these oppressed Trumpenfuhrer thugs.

It’s really going down.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:09:10am

re: #280 ObserverArt

Did anyone else just have the site go unresponsive and then lose connection?

Maybe I lost one of the hamsters and the connection dropped from my end.

There was a DOS thingie a few nights ago. Probably the same kind of attack.

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Jay C  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:09:41am

re: #280 ObserverArt

Did anyone else just have the site go unresponsive and then lose connection?

Maybe I lost one of the hamsters and the connection dropped from my end.

Yeah, me too: for about five minutes, and it ate my comment in the meantime…

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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:10:23am

re: #280 ObserverArt

I went down too for a bit, emailed Hampster Meister.

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freetoken  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:14:12am
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ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:15:06am

re: #137 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Too much fragmentation —> failure overall.

My worry is the Bernie-bots will just not vote at all, or vote for the Republican nominee out of spite, because they hate Hillary with the heat of a thousand suns.

Heh. My Catholic education and memories of early days in the capture of nuns caused me to read your last sentence as “because they hate Hillary with the heat of a thousand nuns.”

Hey. It makes sense. You get a thousand nuns pissed off the heat would be similar to the sun.

Some things you can never get away from. The trauma of my first day in first grade under the rule of Sister Barbra Jean still sticks with me. The fact that our classroom was on the bottom floor and there was huge retainer wall about 20 feet outside the windows that rose about 15 feet high with a wrought iron fence on top giving it the feel of a prison did not help a young impressionistic artist mind. And that space formed between the school building and that wall was our “prison playground.”

Those memories stick.

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:17:59am

re: #285 freetoken

You’re worse than MSNBC. ///

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:18:22am

re: #285 freetoken

You’re a monster.

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Belafon  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:18:34am

re: #279 Alyosha

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This is an example of history repeated as farce.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:18:46am

re: #287 Nyet

You’re worse than MSNBC. ///

Heh.

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freetoken  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:18:58am

… still raining…

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freetoken  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:20:15am

Lots of rain in Bloomington, IL, but when he goes to OH in a few hours Drumpfskind will still be with the rain:

radar.weather.gov

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:21:57am

No crowd setup behind the podium either. Wonder why?
And don’t say rain.

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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:24:20am

Could be a DOS attack… or a dry run of a larger one. Hamsters will stock up on battle armor and defend against the hacker orc hordes.

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ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:26:35am

I haven’t been able to get through the whole thread so pardon if this SNL Hillary/Bernie bit has been posted. One of their best bits politically. Kate McKinnon just nails this.

SNL‘s Hillary Clinton Literally Turns Into Bernie Sanders

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BeenHereAwhile  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:30:53am

re: #268 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Trump threatening to send his supporters to a Bernie rally is scary enough. Even if Trump does not issue the directive, his goons may take it upon themselves to rough up some socialist kid somewhere.

Trump/GOP fomenting SJW & BLM disruptions of GOP rallies to excite their base?

I’m shocked, I say, I’m shocked.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:31:08am

If you’re going to play Beethoven again, give us the Egmont Overture FFS.

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freetoken  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:31:20am

someone singing anthem…

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:32:02am

re: #298 freetoken

someone singing anthem…

Didn’t even make the cut.

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freetoken  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:32:23am

… then the stream switches back to Beethoven…

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:33:51am

Will there be Wagner?

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freetoken  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:34:21am

re: #301 Nyet

Will there be Wagner?

Only the most militaristic of sort…

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makeitstop  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:34:22am

re: #277 Alyosha

Good article. I think we might see a more investigative brand of journalism rise since it now appears that you can monetise the tearing down of Drumpf. It was an infection that the media fed to sepsis and now they can maybe, finally drain the boil.
Or am I still esteeming the media to excess?

Yeah, you may be assuming more self-awareness than they’re actually capable of.

The media in general these days is pretty much exactly what Jerszy Kosinski described in Network. Turns out he was a prophet.

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freetoken  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:37:06am

preacher scam

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:39:37am

re: #304 freetoken

preacher scam

For once I feel the crowd wants to get past the pieties.
They’ve already received their mandate.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:40:37am

Green people?

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freetoken  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:41:52am

re: #306 Alyosha

Green people?

Well, the previous speaker was wearing a green shirt.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:42:42am

re: #307 freetoken

Well, the previous speaker was wearing a green shirt.

Ooo, smart continuity.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:44:44am

re: #16 Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate

They are the enemy within, stabbing Trump and his patriotic supporters in the back.

They’ll get theirs in the Night of the Short Fingers, just wait.

Ann Coulter was feeding into ‘politics as ego trip’ with those who thwart the desires of her readers now labeled as ‘traitors’ because ‘loyalty’ means following her and her readers blindly.

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freetoken  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:45:04am

preacher scam is illustrating how one can use the skills of preaching for the service of bullying

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:45:05am

Focus on Sanders protesters. Sanders gains on this, I reckon. Whether this is calculated is an open question.

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freetoken  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:45:52am

re: #311 Alyosha

Definitely calculated.

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Belafon  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:46:40am

re: #311 Alyosha

Focus on Sanders protesters. Sanders gains on this, I reckon. Whether this is calculated is an open question.

By focusing on Sanders, he also gets to whip out the Socialist = Communist card.

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:46:44am

I have always wanted to use the word “thwart” in a sentence.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:48:10am

re: #312 freetoken

Definitely calculated.

Certainly not to knock Bernie out, though. This has to be the answer to the nascent Democratic infighting narrative.
Divide and conquer.
How closely did Trump read those Hitler speeches?

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:49:46am

re: #312 freetoken

Definitely calculated.

Indeed. Trump gains if Bernie Sanders’ campaign survives this Tuesday’s primaries. The longer Hillary Clinton has to compete with Sanders the more chances she has of being pulled too far to the left, suffering a severe gaffe or falling victim to an especially effective ‘gotcha’. It also lowers the number of attacks on Donald Trump and allows him to focus his fire on Ted Cruz.

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freetoken  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:51:10am

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

Every face needs a heel to work off of.

Bernie is convenient because Drumpfskind gets to play the “communist” card for his JBS followers.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:51:49am

re: #315 Alyosha

Certainly not to knock Bernie out, though. This has to be the answer to the nascent Democratic infighting narrative.
Divide and conquer.
How closely did Trump read those Hitler speeches?

Has nothing to do with Hitler, this is basic US presidential politics: The longer the effective primary lasts for Party A, the better for Party B’s frontrunner.

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freetoken  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:52:16am

movement on the tarmac can only mean… big dick plane arriving…

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Lidane  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:53:56am

Heh.

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freetoken  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:54:47am

big dick plane arriving…

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:55:51am

I like your analytical mind, Dark, even if it has its blinkers, and I refuse to believe you’d vote for this guy in spite of other members’ skepticism.
I’m going to ignore your support of Cruz until he becomes a likely candidate.
If Trump is the nominee, please abstain from the presidential vote. I know you don’t really have to justify your vote to anyone.
Vote downticket or whatever.

I know there’s alot of folk who’ll miss you.

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freetoken  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:03:06am

Wagner comes on as Drumpfskind steps out of the airplane…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:03:33am

I do wonder though how much the red baiting will work when there are actual clips of Trump’s supporters physically roughing people up and telling them to go to Auschwitz or go back to Africa. i don’t think the red baiting is going to work with the general public like Trump thinks it will. With his base, absolutely but then again these are the kind of people who see communism everywhere to start with.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:04:13am

re: #323 freetoken

Wagner comes on as Drumpfskind steps out of the airplane…

I love the smell of gasbags in the morning!

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Dr. Matt  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:05:24am

re: #275 HappyWarrior

Ugh. Thanks for sharing that. This needs to be repeated over and over and over.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:05:57am

re: #323 freetoken

Wagner comes on as Drumpfskind steps out of the airplane…

Trump is probably not self-parody, but he couldn’t be better self-parody.

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stpaulbear  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:06:19am

re: #322 Alyosha

From what I’ve seen, if D_F thinks Donald has played his cards well, he’ll support him. It’s all about a) how the game is played and b) having the R next to his name. Time will tell.

(Disclaimer: I will crawl over broken glass to vote for Bernie or Hillary.)

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:06:32am

re: #326 Dr. Matt

Ugh. Thanks for sharing that. This needs to be repeated over and over and over.

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Funnily enough I read The Lottery recently for class.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:08:01am

re: #328 stpaulbear

From what I’ve seen, if D_F thinks Donald has played his cards well, he’ll support him. It’s all about a) how the game is played and b) having the R next to his name. Time will tell.

I trust that he’ll find the better angels of his nature.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:08:25am

It is just a matter of time before someone is killed or seriously hospitalized at a Trump rally.

And I can predict that

-it will be spun to make it the victims’s own fault

and

-it will boost DT’s poll standings

I can see Trump spokespersons already preparing the ground for their talking points, some idiot on FB was already posting something like “how come you complain about violence at Trump rallies when there are record numbers of gang killings in Chicago?”

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Dr. Matt  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:09:52am

re: #329 HappyWarrior

Funnily enough I read The Lottery recently for class.

Armed Trumpkins want to believe they will form a so-called “militia” if Trump doesn’t get the nod. If they did form up, they would be a bonafide terrorist cell.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:09:53am

re: #331 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It is just a matter of time before someone is killed or seriously hospitalized at a Trump rally.

And I can predict that

-it will be spun to make it the victims’s own fault

and

-it will boost DT’s poll standings

I can see Trump spokespersons already preparing the ground for their talking points, some idiot on FB was already posting something like “how come you complain about violence at Trump rallies when there are record numbers of gang killings in Chicago?”

I think you’d be right unfortunately. And I hope to God it doesn’t happen but I fear ti will and I fear that will be the response because Trump’s campaign seems unwilling to ever take any responsibility for the mass of violent assholes they’ve enabled.

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Targetpractice  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:10:36am

re: #326 Dr. Matt

Ugh. Thanks for sharing that. This needs to be repeated over and over and over.

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I worry more and more by the day about what sort of furious rage will be unleashed if Republicans lose another presidential election. Losing to the black guy twice is one thing. Losing to a woman, particularly Hillary Clinton, whom many consider the Anti-Christ to a degree that even Obama could never match? They’ll lose what’s left of their little minds.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:10:57am

re: #332 Dr. Matt

Armed Trumpkins want to believe they will form a so-called “militia” if Trump doesn’t get the nod. If they did form up, they would be a bonafide terrorist cell.

It’d be something akin I think to the SA. Yet another reason why I want stricter gun laws. I don’t want these psychopaths armed and on our streets terrorizing people who don’t praise the almighty Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:12:23am

re: #334 Targetpractice

I worry more and more by the day about what sort of furious rage will be unleashed if Republicans lose another presidential election. Losing to the black guy twice is one thing. Losing to a woman, particularly Hillary Clinton, whom many consider the Anti-Christ to a degree that even Obama could never match? They’ll lose what’s left of their little minds.

Right. A black guy and then a “traitorous c-word”(their word of choice for Clinton obviously and not mine.

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Targetpractice  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:13:04am

re: #331 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It is just a matter of time before someone is killed or seriously hospitalized at a Trump rally.

And I can predict that

-it will be spun to make it the victims’s own fault

and

-it will boost DT’s poll standings

I can see Trump spokespersons already preparing the ground for their talking points, some idiot on FB was already posting something like “how come you complain about violence at Trump rallies when there are record numbers of gang killings in Chicago?”

I made the same observation yesterday, that it’s only a matter of time before one of these assholes decides that a protester is really ISIS or a New Black Panther up to no good and guns them down. When that happens, I expect a moment of revulsion and outrage…before the media starts looking for some way to blame “both sides.”

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Dr. Matt  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:13:16am

re: #331 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It is just a matter of time before someone is killed or seriously hospitalized at a Trump rally.

And I can predict that

-it will be spun to make it the victims’s own fault

and

-it will boost DT’s poll standings

I can see Trump spokespersons already preparing the ground for their talking points, some idiot on FB was already posting something like “how come you complain about violence at Trump rallies when there are record numbers of gang killings in Chicago?”

And the media will continue to obsess over Hillary’s “negative numbers”.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:14:30am

Sure Trump encourages violence at his rally abut what about Hillary and the emails. // Sigh the media makes this so much worse. In their vain attempts to try to not appear biased, they end up legitimizing a lot of shit that shouldn’t be legitimized.

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Jay C  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:14:50am

re: #324 HappyWarrior

I do wonder though how much the red baiting will work when there are actual clips of Trump’s supporters physically roughing people up and telling them to go to Auschwitz or go back to Africa. i don’t think the red baiting is going to work with the general public like Trump thinks it will. With his base, absolutely but then again these are the kind of people who see communism everywhere to start with.

Not to mention that in a post-Cold War world, squawking “communist” at one’s political rivals doesn’t have near the salience it once did. Hell, even *during* the Cold War red-baiting had some level of limits as to its effectiveness: In 2016, it just becomes one more thing to mock The Donald for: and, as we know, mockery is a much better weapon against Trump than insult…

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stpaulbear  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:14:51am

re: #328 stpaulbear

I added a disclaimer to my comment above. I’m pretty partisan too. It’s been a long time since I voted R (Arne Carlson for MN gov.).

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:16:06am

re: #341 stpaulbear

I added a disclaimer to my comment above. I’m pretty partisan too. It’s been a long time since I voted R (Arne Carlson for MN gov.).

I voted Frank Wolf for Congress as a R as recently as 2008. I felt he was a competent Congressman. I can’t see myself voting Republican ever again given the shit stains that party passes off as candidates to the American people especially here in Va.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:16:31am

‘We don’t want trouble.’

Wow.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:18:12am

The Establishment ‘elite’ want a deal.
What a fucking surprise lolololol

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mmmirele  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:18:52am

re: #212 Lidane

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I live in Arizona, so I don’t have to turn my clocks physically back, BUT my employer operates on Pacific Time. So my work schedule shifts back as a result, but not every week. Only on the weeks when I am leading the morning technology call (once a month or thereabouts). Plus I can’t schedule meetings to start after 2 pm because meeting participants on the East Coast are leaving work at that time.

Gah, I hate Daylight Saving Time. Oh yeah, there’s a good chunk of Arizona that does go on DST. That is the Navajo Reservation, which is located to the east of Flagstaff and north of I-40. They are on Mountain Daylight Time today.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:20:00am

re: #340 Jay C

Not to mention that in a post-Cold War world, squawking “communist” at one’s political rivals doesn’t have near the salience it once did. Hell, even *during* the Cold War red-baiting had some level of limits as to its effectiveness: In 2016, it just becomes one more thing to mock The Donald for: and, as we know, mockery is a much better weapon against Trump than insult…

Right. And good I say. There’s a substantial difference between what Bernie proposes and what existed in the USSR and what exists today in North Korea but I get it scaring voters rather than telling them the truth that Bernie’s policies have worked granted in smaller economies like those in Norway and Sweden.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:21:06am

Already with the winning.

‘Send him back to Bernie!’
Apparently they only place themselves next to the cameras.

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:21:21am

Has anyone checked to see if he’s had a stroke?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:21:33am

re: #320 Lidane

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Heh.

Gaston’s attitude. Le Fou’s build.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:21:50am

Marco. Still ‘little’.

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Belafon  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:22:10am

re: #340 Jay C

Not to mention that in a post-Cold War world, squawking “communist” at one’s political rivals doesn’t have near the salience it once did. Hell, even *during* the Cold War red-baiting had some level of limits as to its effectiveness: In 2016, it just becomes one more thing to mock The Donald for: and, as we know, mockery is a much better weapon against Trump than insult…

A lot of people in Trump’s crowds know what he means when he says communist, just like they knew what their representatives meant by calling Obama a socialist. They have turned out before, in larger numbers, in response to it.

And anyway, Trump is getting them to a point where the actual words don’t mean anything. He doesn’t doesn’t have to specifically label people, he just tells the crowd it’s ok to rough up someone who opposes you.

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freetoken  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:22:40am

re: #350 Alyosha

Marco. Still ‘little’.

Marco will always be “little” to Drumpfskind.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:23:03am

re: #351 Belafon

A lot of people in Trump’s crowds know what he means when he says communist, just like they knew what their representatives meant by calling Obama a socialist. They have turned out before, in larger numbers, in response to it.

And anyway, Trump is getting them to a point where the actual words don’t mean anything. He doesn’t doesn’t have to specifically label people, he just tells the crowd it’s ok to rough up someone who opposes you.

The bolded may be the most horrifying message Trump has sent this entire campaign and man he’s sent a lot of horrifying messages.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:23:27am

re: #352 freetoken

Marco will always be “little” to Drumpfskind.

Rubio did call him ‘big’. Hard to dispute that.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:24:34am

The Carson gambit pays up a bit against Cruz.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:24:46am

re: #328 stpaulbear

From what I’ve seen, if D_F thinks Donald has played his cards well, he’ll support him. It’s all about a) how the game is played and b) having the R next to his name. Time will tell.

(Disclaimer: I will crawl over broken glass to vote for Bernie or Hillary.)

I already said I wouldn’t vote for Trump in the general election, and that I was voting for Cruz in the Illinois primary.

Please do remember that my giving someone credit for good tactics or a well-run operational game plan does not mean I support that person. Only a fool refuses to see his foe’s strengths.

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Belafon  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:25:55am

re: #348 jaunte

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Has anyone checked to see if he’s had a stroke?

I doubt it. He’s a scientist. I often wonder if, people were placed in an area with enough food but nothing but raw materials otherwise but with the knowledge of modern technology, how long it would take to get to, say, the technological equivalent of the early 20th century.

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freetoken  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:26:48am

so far all the same schtick… kind of weak sauce about Kasich and Cruz…

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:28:33am

Didn’t prompt the crowd to answer ‘Mexico’ whilst talking about which nation might finance the Wall. Protester appeared almost immediately.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:29:59am

4 photos of a trio of rebel T-55s in Yemen who just had the Ultimate Bad Day courtesy of Saudi-led airpower:

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BeachDem  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:30:22am

re: #167 b.d.

Ross Douthat is this mornings evil liberal NYT tries to make the point that the only reason the parties even have conventions is to stop people like Trump from getting the nomination.

nytimes.com

It is quite a screed where he claims that the primaries are just an soothing illusion to placate the masses.

You want to know how the GOP can lose more states than with Trump, install someone who the party voters think has no claim to the nomination.

Good morning all.

Wonder how much he cribbed from The Party Decides:

Contrary to the common view that the party reforms of the 1970s gave voters more power, the authors contend that the most consequential contests remain the candidates’ fights for prominent endorsements and the support of various interest groups and state party leaders. These invisible primaries produce frontrunners long before most voters start paying attention, profoundly influencing final election outcomes and investing parties with far more nominating power than is generally recognized.

amazon.com

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:30:47am

re: #360 Dark_Falcon

4 photos of a trio of rebel T-55s in Yemen who just had the Ultimate Bad Day courtesy of Saudi-led airpower:

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Can’t bring myself to cheer the Saudis.

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ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:30:50am

Just in case no one saw it…the Clinton and Sanders Town Hall from Columbus is going to happen. I posted about late last week and it had yet to be confirmed. It will be on Ohio State’s Campus at Mershon Auditorium. Great venue. Used to go to a lot of concerts there.

broadcastingcable.com - Democratic Town Hall: Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton Face Off March 13 on CNN/TV One

Democratic presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders will look to woo voters during a town hall March 13 at Ohio State University in Columbus.

CNN’s Jake Tapper and NewsOne Now’s Roland Martin will host the event, which will air on CNN and TV One from 8-10 p.m. ET.

The town hall comes two days before critical primaries in Florida, Illinois, Missouri, North Carolina and Ohio with a total of 691 delegates up for grabs.

With the outbreak of violence at recent Donald Trump rallies top of mind, expect the topic to come up in some form, especially the GOP frontrunner’s hateful rhetoric.

CNN racked up big numbers March 10 for its GOP primary debate with close to 11.9 million viewers.

Edit to add: Bernie is also holding a rally this afternoon in Value City Arena at the Jerome Schottenstein Center. OSU student population is HUUUGE! Over 50,000 students on the main campus. That should be a big crowd for Bernie

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:31:59am

re: #359 Alyosha

Didn’t prompt the crowd to answer ‘Mexico’ whilst talking about which nation might finance the Wall. Protester appeared almost immediately.

He was expecting a protestor and so changed his delivery till the protester made himself or herself known. Then he’ll likely use the protester being removed as something to riff off of.

Has he associated the protester with Bernie Sanders yet?

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Dave In Austin  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:32:08am

re: #272 ObserverArt

Chuck Todd panel on Meet The Mess includes “influential radio host Hugh Hewitt.”

I guess. He does influence me to laugh at him and his stupid fluff political comments. Sometimes I am influenced to totally tune out anything he says with the mute button.

Oh look Chuck has Trump on…from some remote location.

Mr. Trump…a little bit about color concept. Regarding that blue suit and vivid blue tie you are wearing, check the color wheel. Blue is directly apposed to orange. This means orange is a going to “pop” like never before when it is surrounded by blue. That means your head looks like big ol’ orange pumpkin.

My apologies to pumpkins everywhere.

Not particularly sticking g up for Chucky here, but the reality is he’s doing what he’s told. IMHO, Andy Lack and Morning Joke are the biggest problem at NBC/MSNBC. They are the ones turning the ship for Comcast.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:32:30am

re: #362 Alyosha

Can’t bring myself to cheer the Saudis.

I really can’t either, but it works as war porn.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:32:33am

re: #348 jaunte

Or if someone got control of his account without his knowledge?

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:35:22am

WTF just happened…

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:35:28am

vvvre: #357 Belafon

I doubt it. He’s a scientist. I often wonder if, people were placed in an area with enough food but nothing but raw materials otherwise but with the knowledge of modern technology, how long it would take to get to, say, the technological equivalent of the early 20th century.

There is a lot of speculative fiction that’s been written on this. I guess he’s tweeting to make speculation more popular, but he’s on very well-trodden ground.

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Belafon  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:37:51am

re: #369 jaunte

vvv

There is a lot of speculative fiction that’s been written on this. I guess he’s tweeting to make speculation more popular, but he’s on very well-trodden ground.

Possibly, but not everyone’s read it. Like me, and I’ve read quite a bit. There is so much to read.

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Jenner7  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:38:49am

And I’m sure Chuck corrected him and asked why he lied, right…..? Right?

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:40:00am
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ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:40:10am

Here is some info on the Bernie Sanders rally for anyone wanting to check it out.

thelantern. com - Sanders to host rally at Schottenstein Center Sunday afternoon

Vermont Sen. and Democratic Party presidential candidate Bernie Sanders is set to visit Ohio State’s campus Sunday to address supporters at a rally held at the Schottenstein Center.

The event is one of three in Columbus Sanders is planning to attend in preparation for Tuesday’s primary, a must-win for the senator as he tries to narrow frontrunner Hillary Clinton’s delegate gap.

The rally is free, but a Sanders campaign press release encourages interested attendees to RSVP on Sanders’ website. Doors are scheduled to open at 3:30 p.m and admission is granted on a first come, first served basis, the release stated.

The release also said that the public will enter through the northeast doors of the Schottenstein Center. Attendees are asked to refrain from bringing bags and to limit belongings to personal items such as keys and cell phones. Additionally, weapons, sharp objects, chairs and signs or banners attached to sticks are prohibited from the event for security reasons, according to the release.

- - CUT - -

And from the same article…this I did not know. Busy day here is Columbus.

Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, who is also competing for the Republican Party’s nomination, is set to host a rally at the Northland Performing Arts Center in Columbus from 7:30 to 9:30 p.m. on Sunday. Doors are scheduled to open at 6:30 p.m. and interested attendees can register on the candidate’s website.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:40:30am

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

I really can’t either, but it works as war porn.

I’m hoping that’s tongue-in-cheek.
Not policing your tone but someone I’m certain isn’t my direct enemy is dead. And I’m not totally okay with that.

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Belafon  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:41:32am

re: #371 Jenner7

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And I’m sure Chuck corrected him and asked why he lied, right…..? Right?

The same internet that shows the man was not a member of ISIS?

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:41:51am

Well, if Ann Coulter says a Black pastor was there that means they’re totally not racist!

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Decatur Deb  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:43:37am

re: #357 Belafon

I doubt it. He’s a scientist. I often wonder if, people were placed in an area with enough food but nothing but raw materials otherwise but with the knowledge of modern technology, how long it would take to get to, say, the technological equivalent of the early 20th century.

20 years, with the proper breeding techniques.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:43:46am
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Dark_Falcon  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:44:00am

re: #374 Alyosha

I’m hoping that’s tongue-in-cheek.
Not policing your tone but someone I’m certain isn’t my direct enemy is dead. And I’m not totally okay with that.

Mostly it is. And given those tanks were near buildings don’t be sure that they were manned when hit. They might have been empty of people when hit.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:45:13am

re: #376 The Vicious Babushka

Well, if Ann Coulter says a Black pastor was there that means they’re totally not racist!

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BeachDem  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:45:53am

re: #254 ObserverArt

Help!

I am drowning in a sea of political commercials…many one after another. Hillary is on right now, just saw Ted. Before the last local news segment it was Bernie and Trump…and now Kasich.

Ayeeeeeeeeee…send life vests to Ohio.

Welcome to my world. Here, we’ve seen the last of them until 2020. The Dems, for sure, will not set foot (or a single dollar) in this state for 4 years.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:46:29am

Trump is a protectionist, social-conservative.
That’s isolationist, right? But adding the interventionist oil-robbing aspect.
Place this shit on a graph for me.

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freetoken  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:46:48am

just implied that Obama either is Muslim or supports Muslim terrorists…

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:46:53am

re: #378 The Vicious Babushka

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That tweet is a case study in sculpting a threat so that it will be menacing but not legally actionable. It’s a tactic that seems smart but it really risks boomeranging in the long run.

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Belafon  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:47:02am

re: #378 The Vicious Babushka

Brave people face fear without needing to be told. Sometimes they face it alone. Your group, on the other hand, are a bunch of cowards that feed off of each other and act like a mindless mob.

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makeitstop  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:47:21am

Politics, and the media’s basic understanding of their role in it, have become horribly twisted.

During the W administration, Karl Rove traded favorable coverage of a mediocre president for simple access. Write something bad about my guy, you don’t get invited to parties any more.

Trump’s people have taken it a step further, with the threat of loss of access swapped out for the threat of retribution. Write something bad about my guy - or fail to accept the meager access we’re granting you - and you might get choke-slammed, or arrested, or tossed out of the candidate space by force. Write some praise about my guy, and you’ll get more access - we’ll give you a tour of the plane if you’re really good.

And the media’s fear of not getting that story that those other guys are getting leads them to acquiesce to every demand the Trump campaign makes.

The old lions like Koppel see what’s going on and are calling it out - but they’re old guys and it’s a new media world and we have 24 hours to fill and who cares what some old guy says, anyway.

The media is committing suicide. Bill Clinton fashioned the noose by signing the Telecommunications Act of 1995, and Karl Rove slipped that noose around the media’s neck. And now, Trump - and in their desperation to remain in the game, the media is kicking the chair out of their own volition..

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:47:37am

Snake Poem!!!!!!!

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freetoken  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:48:14am

now reading a poem to plant idea that inviting people in is dangerous

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:49:51am

re: #384 Dark_Falcon

That tweet is a case study in sculpting a threat so that it will be menacing but not legally actionable. It’s a tactic that seems smart but it really risks boomeranging in the long run.

I’d argue that he is, in fact, giving marching orders to his Drumpfjugend.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:50:00am

re: #388 freetoken

now reading a poem to plant idea that inviting people in is dangerous

Which gocart mozart quoted in full to descibe Trump.
Projection.
Patton.
MacArthur.
How long till Pershing?

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:51:26am
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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:51:33am

re: #390 Alyosha

Which gocart mozart quoted in full to descibe Trump.
Projection.
Patton.
MacArthur.
How long till Pershing?

Ran out of time…. apparently.

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freetoken  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:51:41am

re: #390 Alyosha

no Pershing in this “show” - and Drumpfskind did refer to it as a “show” - instead we get the poem.

Over now, but two more performances today.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:52:03am

re: #383 freetoken

just implied that Obama either is Muslim or supports Muslim terrorists…

He keeps on saying that and right wing audiences keep on believing it since they’ve been spoonfed that bullshit for years. What would really mess up those morons tiny little brains is if you told them that Muslims by far are victimized more than non-Muslims by Islamic terrorism.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:52:44am

re: #386 makeitstop

The media is committing suicide. Bill Clinton fashioned the noose by signing the Telecommunications Act of 1995, and Karl Rove slipped that noose around the media’s neck. And now, Trump - and in their desperation to remain in the game, the media is kicking the chair out of their own volition.

You need to explain this, especially given that the Telecommunications Act of 1995 was a bipartisan piece of legislation that provided a needed deregulation.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:53:04am

He likes to talk about Patton and MacArthur a lot. There’s a very good reason why neither men were ever elected President and we got Ike instead.

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:54:01am

eh?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:55:15am

Obama supports terrorism? If you really believe that, you need to be smacked in the head. It’s not just that the Osama Bin Laden SEAL mission but it’s the hundreds of other dead terrorists too. What Republicans can’t stand to admit is this little fact and ti’s that Barack Obama has been much more effective against terrorism than George W. Bush or any of Obama’s Republican opponents have or would have been because Obama’s not a black and white thinker and actually understand complexity in the world.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:56:05am

re: #396 HappyWarrior

He likes to talk about Patton and MacArthur a lot. There’s a very good reason why neither men were ever elected President and we got Ike instead.

To be fair to Patton, he didn’t want political office.

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:59:24am

All Hillary will need to do is to gather videos and photos of Trump’s supporters punching people, siegheiling, telling them to go to Auschwitz for the most effective ad ever.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:00:31am

re: #396 HappyWarrior

He likes to talk about Patton and MacArthur a lot. There’s a very good reason why neither men were ever elected President and we got Ike instead.

Well, Patton was dead, so there’s that…
////

But that’s an excellent point. And the reason why MacArthur had to go was that he put himself above the elected government. The crazy thing about worshipping MacArthur is that he represents the most dangerous tendency in the Military, one that the guys who wrote the Constitution right feared. The military must always serve the elected government, and not the other way ‘round.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:00:34am

re: #399 Dark_Falcon

To be fair to Patton, he didn’t want political office.

True enough. MacArthur certainly did however. Honestly, Trump basically appeals to the idiot whose perception of history is shaped through propaganda and not actual reading.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:00:43am

re: #398 HappyWarrior

Untrue. Intelligence agencies were crippled by Clinton neglect and rules, Bush freed them and funded them but it took most of his administration for the CIA and NSA to recover. Obama simply left in place the recovery that had occurred.

Obama regarding the CIA in like Michael Bloomberg regarding the NYPD: He inherited a rebuilt and functional organization and was smart enough to keep what worked.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:01:06am

re: #400 Nyet

All Hillary will need to do is to gather videos and photos of Trump’s supporters punching people, siegheiling, telling them to go to Auschwitz for the most effective ad ever.

She needs moar Go-Pros for doorknockers.

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makeitstop  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:01:25am

re: #395 Dark_Falcon

You need to explain this, especially given that the Telecommunications Act of 1995 was a bipartisan piece of legislation that provided a needed deregulation.

Oops, ham fingers. Telecommunications Act of 1996.

The one that did away with cross-ownership restrictions, limits on how many outlets in one market could be owned by one company, and local ownership requirements.

That was not ‘needed deregulation,’ Dark. That legislation kicked the door open to conglomerates that could afford to buying as many outlets of all media in one market as they could afford.

The resulting homogenization of mass media in this country has led to a dumber population, greater influence by media on popular opinion than ever, and the gradual elimination of opposing or minority points of view.

It was a horrible mistake. That legislation should have been smothered in its crib. We’re seeing the bitter fruit of it now.

It’s the one thing that I will never, ever forgive Bill Clinton for.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:02:18am

re: #399 Dark_Falcon

To be fair to Patton, he didn’t want political office.

Well, that and dying a few months after the end of WWII

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:02:46am

re: #401 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, Patton was dead, so there’s that…
////

But that’s an excellent point. And the reason why MacArthur had to go was that he put himself above the elected government. The crazy thing about worshipping MacArthur is that he represents the most dangerous tendency in the Military, one that the guys who wrote the Constitution right feared. The military must always serve the elected government, and not the other way ‘round.

I’ve talked about it before but my grandfather until his last day was grateful that Truman fired MacArthur. It’s a damn good think that we got Eisenhower instead of MacArthur in the WH. Eisenhower understood how to balance egos much more. My favorite generals in American history are guys like Ike, Marshall, and funnily enough given that he cites him a lot but Pershing since Pershing like Ike juggled egos in the AEF.

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:03:48am

re: #391 The Vicious Babushka

It worked the 1st and 2nd time, that I am aware of

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:04:48am

re: #400 Nyet

If she doesn’t use these images/video in her campaign ads, then I give up. It’s a goldmine and the general population needs to see what’s really going on.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:05:17am

re: #403 Dark_Falcon

Untrue. Intelligence agencies were crippled by Clinton neglect and rules, Bush freed them and funded them but it took most of his administration for the CIA and NSA to recover. Obama simply left in place the recovery that had occurred.

Obama regarding the CIA in like Michael Bloomberg regarding the NYPD: He inherited a rebuilt and functional organization and was smart enough to keep what worked.

SLAM DUNK!!!! 1OOO pts

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:06:19am
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JasonA  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:06:23am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:07:29am

re: #403 Dark_Falcon

Untrue. Intelligence agencies were crippled by Clinton neglect and rules, Bush freed them and funded them but it took most of his administration for the CIA and NSA to recover. Obama simply left in place the recovery that had occurred.

Obama regarding the CIA in like Michael Bloomberg regarding the NYPD: He inherited a rebuilt and functional organization and was smart enough to keep what worked.

Yet your party continues to spread the lie that Obama is soft on terrorism and even sympathizes with the terrorists. Tell me DF why is that acceptable? It’s jealously pure and simple. Bush dropped the ball on Bin Laden to focus on Iraq. Your party can’t stand that a Democrat is actually effective on national security because it undermines decades of lies about Democrats not caring about national security.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:07:38am

re: #402 HappyWarrior

True enough. MacArthur certainly did however. Honestly, Trump basically appeals to the idiot whose perception of history is shaped through propaganda and not actual reading.

The guys who think all wars are fought to totally crush an enemy, rather than to achieve policy goals otherwise unattainable. Remember, these are the people who say any form of compromise as utter defeat. Suppose for a moment we had, for example, used the full might of the US military to crush and utterly defeat North Vietnam. How would Russia and China have reacted?

These are the same clowns who think we can bomb Iran into regime change.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:08:00am

re: #411 Nyet

[Embedded content]

Did they even get to vote for Hubert Humphrey?

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BeachDem  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:08:39am

re: #351 Belafon

A lot of people in Trump’s crowds know what he means when he says communist, just like they knew what their representatives meant by calling Obama a socialist. They have turned out before, in larger numbers, in response to it.

And anyway, Trump is getting them to a point where the actual words don’t mean anything. He doesn’t doesn’t have to specifically label people, he just tells the crowd it’s ok to rough up someone who opposes you.

See, everyone seems to use the Hitler and Mussolini comparisons. I see more 1984.
“His function is to act as a focusing point for love, fear, and reverence, emotions which are more easily felt towards an individual than towards an organization.”
― George Orwell, 1984

Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation.”
― George Orwell, 1984

“It was not the man’s brain that was speaking it was his larynx. The stuff that was coming out of him consisted of words but it was not speech in true sense: it was a noise uttered in unconsciousness like the quacking of a duck.”
― George Orwell, 1984

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:08:49am
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Dark_Falcon  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:10:46am

re: #405 makeitstop

The bill had many good provisions, though, and it paved the way for the growth mobile phones in the US.

Moreover, its final votes for passage were 414-16 in the House and 91-5 in the Senate. It’s not clear Bill Clinton could have stopped it over the provisions you regard as problematic, and even if he could have he would not have done so. Bill Clinton’s domestic governing actions in 1996 were heavily influenced by his triangulation strategy, and he was not going to try holding the line against bills that were popular with both parties in Congress.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:13:08am

re: #402 HappyWarrior

True enough. MacArthur certainly did however. Honestly, Trump basically appeals to the idiot whose perception of history is shaped through propaganda and not actual reading.

Drive-by: Since you mentioned MacArthur, he’s one of the 25 figures who are the subject of bios that are on sale today only in Kindle format. I don’t even like military stuff, but at $0.99 for a highly reviewed book of 700+ pages I couldn’t resist snapping it up.

BBL

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:13:20am

re: #414 Blind Frog Belly White

The guys who think all wars are fought to totally crush an enemy, rather than to achieve policy goals otherwise unattainable. Remember, these are the people who say any form of compromise as utter defeat. Suppose for a moment we had, for example, used the full might of the US military to crush and utterly defeat North Vietnam. How would Russia and China have reacted?

These are the same clowns who think we can bomb Iran into regime change.

These are also the guys who just label all Muslims as one group and don’t think about sects. That is a great point about Vietnam too.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:13:34am

re: #418 Dark_Falcon

The bill had many good provisions, though, and it paved the way for the growth mobile phones in the US.

Moreover, its final votes for passage were 414-16 in the House and 91-5 in the Senate. It’s not clear Bill Clinton could have stopped it over the provisions you regard as problematic, and even if he could have he would not have done so. Bill Clinton’s domestic governing actions in 1996 were heavily influenced by his triangulation strategy, and he was not going to try holding the line against bills that were popular with both parties in Congress.

We did a lot of stupid things in a bipartisan way in the 1990s, mostly in the form of deregulation, because 60 years of the economy not running over the cliff made us forget how much it likes to do just that.

Regulation is what makes Capitalism work. Otherwise it inevitably tears itself to pieces.

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:13:35am

re: #412 JasonA

LOL. Good one.

Reminds me of the blind character that Dave Chappelle played. The Chappelle’s character was big in the KKK.
The fake documentary program that they used for the piece was called “Frontline”, and the character Dave played was called “Clayton Bigsby.”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:14:15am

re: #419 CuriousLurker

Drive-by: Since you mentioned MacArthur, he’s one of the 25 figures who are the subject of bios that are on sale today only in Kindle format. I don’t even like military stuff, but at $0.99 for a highly reviewed book of 700+ pages I couldn’t resist snapping it up.

BBL

Wow that’s a steal.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:14:57am

re: #413 HappyWarrior

Bush saw bin Laden as a symptom of the failures and dysfunctions of the Middle East and was more interested in making Iraq into part of the cure for those failures and dysfunctions. However, George W. ultimately was unable to accomplish this objective, the dysfunctions ultimately having proved more durable than the efforts to cure them.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:16:01am

re: #415 Alyosha

Did they even get to vote for Hubert Humphrey?

Insensitive. Apologies.

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sagehen  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:17:17am

re: #394 HappyWarrior

He keeps on saying that and right wing audiences keep on believing it since they’ve been spoonfed that bullshit for years. What would really mess up those morons tiny little brains is if you told them that Muslims by far are victimized more than non-Muslims by Islamic terrorism.

They’ve been told that, repeatedly. They choose to not believe it.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:17:33am

re: #424 Dark_Falcon

Bush saw bin Laden as a symptom of the failures and dysfunctions of the Middle East and was more interested in making Iraq into part of the cure for those failures and dysfunctions. However, George W. ultimately was unable to accomplish this objective, the dysfunctions ultimately having proved more durable than the efforts to cure them.

He gave up after not even a year. We started talking about invading Iraq not even a year after we invaded Afghanistan. I’m sorry but Iraq was symbolic of the Bush administration’s pigheadedness. And I stand by my statement that jealously drives your party’s perception of the Obama administration’s foreign and national security policies. The Iraq invasion was not only a mistake but poorly planned as well with no understanding of what the aftermath would be.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:17:40am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:19:06am

re: #428 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Encouraging thuggery, that’s the Trump way.

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:19:08am

re: #422 Ming5000

Video

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Jenner7  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:19:45am

re: #424 Dark_Falcon

That’s a kinder way of saying Bush fucked up.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:20:05am

re: #424 Dark_Falcon

Bush saw bin Laden as a symptom of the failures and dysfunctions of the Middle East and was more interested in making Iraq into part of the cure for those failures and dysfunctions. However, George W. ultimately was unable to accomplish this objective, the dysfunctions ultimately having proved more durable than the efforts to cure them.

Bush was saddled with FP advisers who saw everything in terms of states, and so a non-state actor made no sense in his worldview. Al Qaeda could not be what it appeared, it must be acting at the behest of some nation-state.

Add to that the conservative tendency to BELIEVE in things which have no empirical support.

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Jenner7  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:20:12am

re: #428 Charles Johnson

”…but I don’t condone violence…”

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KGxvi  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:21:21am

re: #424 Dark_Falcon

Bush saw bin Laden as a symptom of the failures and dysfunctions of the Middle East and was more interested in making Iraq into part of the cure for those failures and dysfunctions. However, George W. ultimately was unable to accomplish this objective, the dysfunctions ultimately having proved more durable than the efforts to cure them.

Do you actually believe this stuff? Because that feels like some grade A bullshit there. Seriously, if that was the actual rationalization that happened within the Bush Administration then they not only completely misdiagnosed the problem, they mistreated it. And the fact that they fucked up on that point should have been obvious from the reliance on bad intelligence (which may have been garnered from enhanced interrogation techniquestorture), that no other intelligence agency found credible, should be enough for any right thinking person to recognize that the Bush Administration shit the bed.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:21:28am

We’ve got some bots crawling the whole site today. That’s why things are getting a little wonky.

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ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:21:36am

re: #416 BeachDem

See, everyone seems to use the Hitler and Mussolini comparisons. I see more 1984.
“His function is to act as a focusing point for love, fear, and reverence, emotions which are more easily felt towards an individual than towards an organization.”
― George Orwell, 1984

Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation.”
― George Orwell, 1984

“It was not the man’s brain that was speaking it was his larynx. The stuff that was coming out of him consisted of words but it was not speech in true sense: it was a noise uttered in unconsciousness like the quacking of a duck.”
― George Orwell, 1984

I love your putting up bits of the Orwell book. I would think due to him writing it just after WW2, it would have to had been heavily influenced by the politics of fascism added to the oncoming cold war posturing after the war. He had Hitler and Mussolini as recent characters to model after and he most likely saw what was going down in Russia and elsewhere. Being a good observationist and artist, he most likely used it all to cook up the book. Probably a little bit of American and British politics figuring in too. He certainly had a good time in history to write such a great piece.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:23:10am

re: #434 KGxvi

Do you actually believe this stuff? Because that feels like some grade A bullshit there. Seriously, if that was the actual rationalization that happened within the Bush Administration then they not only completely misdiagnosed the problem, they mistreated it. And the fact that they fucked up on that point should have been obvious from the reliance on bad intelligence (which may have been garnered from enhanced interrogation techniquestorture), that no other intelligence agency found credible, should be enough for any right thinking person to recognize that the Bush Administration shit the bed.

Confirmation bias is big on the Right.

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KGxvi  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:23:13am

re: #427 HappyWarrior

He gave up after not even a year. We started talking about invading Iraq not even a year after we invaded Afghanistan. I’m sorry but Iraq was symbolic of the Bush administration’s pigheadedness. And I stand by my statement that jealously drives your party’s perception of the Obama administration’s foreign and national security policies. The Iraq invasion was not only a mistake but poorly planned as well with no understanding of what the aftermath would be.

I believe Rumsfeld’s initial reaction was to try and find a way to tie the attack to Iraq.

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TedStriker  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:23:18am

re: #428 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

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ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:24:53am

re: #424 Dark_Falcon

Bush saw bin Laden as a symptom of the failures and dysfunctions of the Middle East and was more interested in making Iraq into part of the cure for those failures and dysfunctions. However, George W. ultimately was unable to accomplish this objective, the dysfunctions ultimately having proved more durable than the efforts to cure them.

Really? This might be some of your best creative writing yet.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:26:41am

re: #438 KGxvi

I believe Rumsfeld’s initial reaction was to try and find a way to tie the attack to Iraq.

Not surprised. It was just pathetic I remember. I mean I think the debate on the Iraq resolution was in the fall of 2002. Maybe October? And I think we invaded Afghanistan in November of ‘01. There was just so much short-sightedness by Bush and his entire FP/NS team. And I haven’t even gotten to the smearing of war opponents as sympathizers with Hussein’s tyranny.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:27:54am

Looks like another serious terrorist attack has hit Turkey, in Ankara - apparently, the US Embassy warned US citizens on Friday that something was coming down.

hurriyetdailynews.com

turkey.usembassy.gov

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TedStriker  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:28:31am

re: #424 Dark_Falcon

Bush saw bin Laden as a symptom of the failures and dysfunctions of the Middle East and was more interested in making Iraq into part of the cure for those failures and dysfunctions. However, George W. ultimately was unable to accomplish this objective, the dysfunctions ultimately having proved more durable than the efforts to cure them.

re: #440 ObserverArt

Really? This might be some of your best creative writing yet.

If D_F’s post wasn’t broken up into more than one sentence, it could be an entry for the Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest, a surefire winner.

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ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:29:37am

re: #435 Charles Johnson

We’ve got some bots crawling the whole site today. That’s why things are getting a little wonky.

Yeah…did you catch us mentioning earlier? For me it just stopped responding. None of the buttons worked, couldn’t post the comment I was working on and when I refreshed it was gone. And usually when a site is down there will be some time before you get a message about connections, etc. This time it was throwing up a ‘site not available; right after hitting enter.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:30:08am

Trump will look into paying. Which means he won’t. Just more Bs out of his pie hole.

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Alyosha  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:31:04am

Hitting the hay. Been real.

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ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:32:04am

re: #445 Stanley Sea

Trump will look into paying. Which means he won’t. Just more Bs out of his pie hole.

Imma still wondering if the vet organizations are going to see all that money he raised.

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Skip Intro  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:32:45am

re: #445 Stanley Sea

Trump will look into paying. Which means he won’t. Just more Bs out of his pie hole.

He’d never pay because that would directly link him to the violence. These idiots who believe anything Trump says are just that - idiots.

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:34:55am
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Jenner7  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:35:42am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:39:52am

re: #450 Jenner7

[Embedded content]

Okay that literally scares me. I hope this fucker goes in and never gets out.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:53:35am

re: #401 Blind Frog Belly White

Remember what Harry said?

I didn’t fire MacArthur because he was a stupid son-of-s-bitch, which he was. If that was a crime half of the generals would be in jail. No, I fired him because he wouldn’t respect the office of the President of The United States.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 11:00:46am

re: #452 Romantic Heretic

Remember what Harry said?

It cost him a lot of popularity but it was the right decision.

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Jay C  Mar 13, 2016 • 11:05:28am

re: #424 Dark_Falcon

However, George W. ultimately was unable to accomplish this objective, the dysfunctions ultimately having proved more durable than the efforts to cure them.

Not to pile on here, even as the thread is winding down, but might it not occur to one that the fundamental problem with GW Bush’s foreign-policy actions in the MidEast was that said “efforts” to “cure” “dysfunctions” were conceived of (and planned and executed) almost solely in terms of military force? And which force was, ultimately, backed up with criminally inadequate planning for its aftermath?

Saddam’s Iraq may have been an evil state; but in any objective analysis, it was far from “dysfunctional” (except perhaps wrt Kurdistan). Its successor? Not so far…

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 13, 2016 • 11:44:03am

re: #407 HappyWarrior

I’ve talked about it before but my grandfather until his last day was grateful that Truman fired MacArthur. It’s a damn good think that we got Eisenhower instead of MacArthur in the WH. Eisenhower understood how to balance egos much more. My favorite generals in American history are guys like Ike, Marshall, and funnily enough given that he cites him a lot but Pershing since Pershing like Ike juggled egos in the AEF.

And MacArthur railed a lot about the Pershing and Marshall “cliques” keeping him down. Though you also have to remember which of the three actually ordered US Army troops into the street against US citizens.
en.wikipedia.org

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 13, 2016 • 11:48:05am

re: #419 CuriousLurker

Drive-by: Since you mentioned MacArthur, he’s one of the 25 figures who are the subject of bios that are on sale today only in Kindle format. I don’t even like military stuff, but at $0.99 for a highly reviewed book of 700+ pages I couldn’t resist snapping it up.

BBL

Oh lord, _American Caesar_. I couldn’t finish that, and forced myself to at least get to the end of World War 2. More recent scholarship has turned up the fact that Manchester ignored or glossed over *a lot*.

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palomino  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:33:08pm

re: #424 Dark_Falcon

Bush saw bin Laden as a symptom of the failures and dysfunctions of the Middle East and was more interested in making Iraq into part of the cure for those failures and dysfunctions. However, George W. ultimately was unable to accomplish this objective, the dysfunctions ultimately having proved more durable than the efforts to cure them.

What a limp apologist for Bush you’ve become.

Yes, deep dysfunction that has been going on for centuries is “more durable” than our military capacity to change foreign societies in a few years. File your flailing word salad under the “you’re kind of an idiot if you didn’t already know this” heading.


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