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Charles Johnson  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:48:28pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:50:39pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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Yeah this is stumping the hell out of me. He’s very much said that free college tuition for all is what he wants. And now he’s not? Genuinely stumped here.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:50:45pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:52:24pm

I’m getting barraged by Sanders supporters insisting he never meant to say free tuition for all.

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:53:05pm

Texas lege says prolly not.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:54:18pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

I’m getting barraged by Sanders supporters insisting he never meant to say free tuition for all.

I thought that was the whole point.

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Belafon  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:54:24pm

We could use a good conversation on how to pay for college. Like most of the people around me, it should also include paying for thing like HVAC schools. We definitely should have a discussion like we did over health care in 2008, which I think led to the ACA.

Now, here’s how I suspect the national conversation over paying for college will go:

President Clinton/Sanders: Here’s a detailed plan for paying for college for everyone. It’s revenue neutral.
Republicans: Democrats are trying to make every student learn evolution and turn into godless liberals!

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Targetpractice  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:55:18pm

re: #5 jaunte

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Texas lege says prolly not.

Same with the Virginia legislature. Republicans and many Democrats here are scared of the dreaded “T” word: Taxes.

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Belafon  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:55:30pm

re: #5 jaunte

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Texas lege says prolly not.

Probably? I’d be lucky if my state reps up here in DFW stopped laughing at the idea long enough to say no.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:56:34pm

re: #8 Targetpractice

Same with the Virginia legislature. Republicans and many Democrats here are scared of the dreaded “T” word: Taxes.

Yep.

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BeachDem  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:57:15pm

re: #5 jaunte

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Texas lege says prolly not.

South Carolina? Hah. Gotta give you an upding for using a Bakari tweet. I love that guy!

(And, as I might have mentioned, the first time I heard him speak, I thought—this is how people must have felt the first time they heard Obama speak.)

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:57:46pm

Anyhow as I said downstairs, I like what he’s said in the past is the end goal- free and affordable college tuition for all Americans. I love that idea. I was blessed to get the education I did. But with so many goals it’s not a matter of what but rather how.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:59:06pm

re: #11 BeachDem

South Carolina? Hah. Gotta give you an upding for using a Bakari tweet. I love that guy!

(And, as I might have mentioned, the first time I heard him speak, I thought—this is how people must have felt the first time they heard Obama speak.)

I didn’t realize he was so young.

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danarchy  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:59:07pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

Yeah this is stumping the hell out of me. He’s very much said that free college tuition for all is what he wants. And now he’s not? Genuinely stumped here.

He was pretty clear at the town hall. He is still saying free tuition for public universities and colleges. So basically he is saying if you want to go to UMASS Amherst, tuition is covered, if you want to go to Harvard, good luck you’re on your own. I don’t think that is inconsistent with anything he has said.

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Belafon  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:59:24pm

Plus, I’ll give you another reason Texas won’t pay: They’d have to let blacks into college.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 13, 2016 • 5:59:34pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:01:02pm

In the last thread I said I had heard a commercial from the National Nurses Association. They are actually called National Nurses United.

I just found their web site, and they are in Ohio right now. It makes complete sense to me this is the organization I heard in the radio commercial say Free College. Why? Because right on their web site is this:

National Nurses United Endorses Senator Bernie Sanders for President

4. MAKE COLLEGE TUITION AND DEBT FREE

Bernie Sanders introduced a bill to make all public colleges and universities tuition free, paid for by a tax on Wall Street speculation. He proposes slashing student loan interest rates.

Obviously this is confusing…it says free and also slashing student loans. Gotta tighten this up.

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Skip Intro  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:01:21pm

From Sanders’ website:

Here are the six steps that Bernie will take as President to make college debt free:

MAKE TUITION FREE AT PUBLIC COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES.

This is not a radical idea. Last year, Germany eliminated tuition because they believed that charging students $1,300 per year was discouraging Germans from going to college. Next year, Chile will do the same. Finland, Norway, Sweden and many other countries around the world also offer free college to all of their citizens. If other countries can take this action, so can the United States of America.

In fact, it’s what many of our colleges and universities used to do. The University of California system offered free tuition at its schools until the 1980s. In 1965, average tuition at a four-year public university was just $243 and many of the best colleges - including the City University of New York - did not charge any tuition at all. The Sanders plan would make tuition free at public colleges and universities throughout the country.

So if we’re going to be nit pickers about it, he’s saying it will be free for everyone who gets accepted into a public college, i.e. it’s free.

BTW, I went to the University of CA in the 1970s and it most certainly wasn’t free. It was cheap, but not free. Community colleges back then were tuition free.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:02:01pm

re: #14 danarchy

He was pretty clear at the town hall. He is still saying free tuition for public universities and colleges. So basically he is saying if you want to go to UMASS Amherst, tuition is covered, if you want to go to Harvard, good luck you’re on your own. I don’t think that is inconsistent with anything he has said.

Then I’m no longer confused. That does make sense.

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petesh  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:02:51pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

It’s the anger that’s most annoying. We need to ratchet down the emotions, not ratchet them up. Disagreement is fine …

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Targetpractice  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:02:57pm

I think we all remember the ACA fight to know how such a thing would go. The GOP would fight the bill tooth and nail, leaving Bernie with no choice but to obtain support for it from Blue Dog Dems who’d demand various amendments and changes in order to secure their votes. Then assuming they could get it to his desk, the real fight would begin as wingnut lawyers and politicians would immediately begin crafting cases with an eye to taking the matter to SCOTUS with the hopes of getting the entire thing struck down. In the mean time, red states across the nation would begin looking for ways to ratfk the new law into uselessness, including denying funding or only allowing funding for certain institutions while denying it to others.

Same deal with…well, pretty much everything Bernie has proposed.

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BeachDem  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:03:01pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

I didn’t realize he was so young.

He got an early start. Just 22 when he first got elected.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:03:13pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

I’m getting barraged by Sanders supporters insisting he never meant to say free tuition for all.

but he sure as hell implied it, even though his original point was that PUBLIC universities (not community colleges) will be free. But we don’t have national public universities, as far as I know. And control of the budget is in the hands of GOP-controlled state governments that have cut the fuck out of public education. He still has a lot of explaining to do.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:03:33pm

re: #18 Skip Intro

I got my start at a community college and it helped me get into a 4 year university. I think it is a wonderful idea to have free college.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:04:12pm

I’ll bring up something again that I brought up downstairs but I’d like to see more investment into community colleges. I think the community college system is properly funded can really do a lot of good. I was a transfer student from one when I got into GMU.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:04:46pm

re: #22 BeachDem

He got an early start. Just 22 when he first got elected.

I see that. Impressive. Guy’s got a future.

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20Hz  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:05:44pm
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majii  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:05:44pm

re: #7 Belafon

What many GOP/TP politicians and supporters will conveniently forget is that the GOP/TP governor and majority in Tennessee has already passed a law giving qualified students two years of tuition-free community college. If they start saying what you and I think they’ll say, they should be reminded of this. They are some very strange individuals because things they once supported, if a democrat suggests doing it, they’re hellbent on making sure it doesn’t get any support from them. It’s party over country and citizens every d*mn time. All of the GOP/TP republicans in Congress knew that Romney developed Romneycare in Massachusetts, and the plan was working rather well, but when Romney ran in 2012, they all forgot that Obamacare is very similar to Romneycare and began with the gloom and doom pronouncements.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:05:49pm

re: #23 Barefoot Grin

but he sure as hell implied it, even though his original point was that PUBLIC universities (not community colleges) will be free. But we don’t have national public universities, as far as I know. And control of the budget is in the hands of GOP-controlled state governments that have cut the fuck out of public education. He still has a lot of explaining to do.

That is a good point as well. There are no national universities in this country like there are in Europe. The university I took classes in Galway in was a national university I believe.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:06:05pm

re: #27 20Hz

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Bravo.

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ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:06:24pm

re: #14 danarchy

He was pretty clear at the town hall. He is still saying free tuition for public universities and colleges. So basically he is saying if you want to go to UMASS Amherst, tuition is covered, if you want to go to Harvard, good luck you’re on your own. I don’t think that is inconsistent with anything he has said.

So, Ohio State University would be free?

Help me here.

The Art College I went to is probably now about $20,000 thousand a year, or more. That would not be covered obviously as it is private. If that is the case, I so hope they can get loan rates way down and also drum up more scholarships. I know from the type of background I came from, I would never have been able to go at these kinds of rates.

Yeah. The whole Education System in the country needs a complete redo. Talk about infrastructure.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:07:02pm

In case you haven’t noticed - there’s a new icon at the top right of the comment editing box that looks like a cute little lock. It provides an interface that makes it much easier to enter private comments addressed to specific people or to everyone.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:07:03pm

re: #24 PhillyPretzel

I got my start at a community college and it helped me get into a 4 year university. I think it is a wonderful idea to have free college.

That makes two of us. I wasn’t ready for a four year school out of high school- both personally I think due to my Asperger’s and education wise. I became a better student through the community college system.

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bratwurst  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:07:09pm
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BeachDem  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:07:47pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

I see that. Impressive. Guy’s got a future.

Smart money says he’ll get Clyburn’s seat when Jim retires.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:08:00pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

That is great news Charles. Thank you.

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Skip Intro  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:08:10pm

Is Hillary there tonight?

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Charles Johnson  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:08:13pm

What do people think about a feature that sends you an email if someone posts a private comment addressed to you?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:09:09pm

re: #21 Targetpractice

GInsberg has stated that it might be time for a new Constitution to be done, pointing Canada’s, South Africa’s, or the European Convention on Human Rights as being superior to the current US one.

Fewer new constitutions are modeled along the lines of the American version, according to a study by David Law of Washington University.[26] Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg views the United States Constitution as more of a relic of the 18th century rather than as a model for new constitutions, and she suggested in 2014 that a nation seeking a new constitution might find a better model by examining the constitutions of South Africa (1997), the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (1982) and the European Convention on Human Rights (1950).[26]

I would not look to the United States Constitution if I were drafting a constitution in the year 2012.

— Ruth Bader Ginsburg, 2014[26]

Of course, if we copy Canada’s we go into the area where my politics turn strange and internationalist.

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Skip Intro  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:09:36pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

What do people think about a feature that sends you an email if someone posts a private comment addressed to you?

Is there any way to make it a notification when you log in instead?

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20Hz  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:10:04pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Bravo.

I think it is funny how we have all these arguments about how it would be so challenging to have “free” education but the resistance to wasting huge amounts of money on programs like the f 35 is met with a meh.

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Jayleia  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:10:09pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

I don’t expect many directed to me, nor do I expect to send many like that, but I think its a great idea, considering how big our threads can get.

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b.d.  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:10:53pm

If HRC would have made such a statement like Bernie did tonight the Sandbaggers would be screaming from the tallest rooftops that she was ditching her promises and making a general election sellout pivot to the center.

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Belafon  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:11:54pm

re: #28 majii

re: #39 Ziggy_TARDIS

GInsberg has stated that it might be time for a new Constitution to be done, pointing Canada’s, South Africa’s, or the European Convention on Human Rights as being superior to the current US one.

Of course, if we copy Canada’s we go into the area where my politics turn strange and internationalist.

I think we’ll get free college tuition first.

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:12:46pm
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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:13:15pm

“His positions are completely backwards but he’s a nice guy”

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Belafon  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:13:45pm

re: #46 jaunte

“His positions are completely backwards but he’s a nice guy”

Scalia and Ginsberg were buds. It happens.

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Skip Intro  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:14:18pm

re: #45 jaunte

Is Bernie the guy who brings him his snowballs?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:14:27pm

re: #45 jaunte

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That’s really a situation you can’t win but I can’t help but to wonder why he would choose the king of climate change denial. Then again Clinton herself has taken some heat for her praise of Kissinger so I won’t pile on Sanders too hard for this but ti’s a curious choice.

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stpaulbear  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:14:28pm

re: #46 jaunte

“His positions are completely backwards but he’s a nice guy”

Yeah, and he really knows how to light up a room.

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:15:06pm

re: #50 stpaulbear

He’s a remarkable dancer!

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ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:15:12pm

re: #24 PhillyPretzel

I got my start at a community college and it helped me get into a 4 year university. I think it is a wonderful idea to have free college.

Sure is. I think we are just trying to make something clear that is not all that clear. It is why I have been saying Bernie needs to tighten some things up. If he becomes the Democratic Candidate, I want him and his campaign running like a fine machine.

That machine could be facing having people sticking bananas up the tail pipe, sugar in the gas tank and rocks thrown down the throttle body by “opposition” in the general election in November.

And like Targetpractice is saying…he can look forward to 4 years of the Republicans doing the same

I sure as hell have never meant to bash.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:15:15pm

re: #46 jaunte

“His positions are completely backwards but he’s a nice guy”

Ah okay. I have heard that Inholfe isn’t like Cruz when it comes to personal likability so that would make sense if it was based off of personal friendship.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:15:18pm

re: #40 Skip Intro

Is there any way to make it a notification when you log in instead?

That’s another way to approach it, but a bit more complicated to implement.

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Belafon  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:15:34pm

re: #43 b.d.

If HRC would have made such a statement like Bernie did tonight the Sandbaggers would be screaming from the tallest rooftops that she was ditching her promises and making a general election sellout pivot to the center.

I know we complain about it a lot here, but the MIC has a big hold on the purse strings. “You’re cutting jobs!”

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No Depression  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:16:28pm

re: #45 jaunte

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re: #46 jaunte

“His positions are completely backwards but he’s a nice guy”

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:17:37pm

re: #17 ObserverArt

4. MAKE COLLEGE TUITION AND DEBT FREE

Bernie Sanders introduced a bill to make all public colleges and universities tuition free, paid for by a tax on Wall Street speculation. He proposes slashing student loan interest rates.

I think this is what Bernie is talking about. Could be a good idea, but has he ever heard of the Congress, not to mention its current orientation? From 2013
A Really Small Wall Street Tax Can Make a Really Big Difference

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:18:16pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

What do people think about a feature that sends you an email if someone posts a private comment addressed to you?

That might be helpful if a person isn’t around to see the private message. Just a notification email from LGF, correct?

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Cheechako  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:18:29pm

Charles

I do have one suggestion for an improvement. It deals with preparing a Page and the suggested Tabs. When I go to the Suggested Tab link the new search/suggestion program identifies very few suggested Tags related to the article. Usually just one or two. Also if I select a Tag it does not show up in the Tag block. It does show up when I preview the page. Sometimes I would also like to add my own Tag to the page but the system doesn’t allow it.
Can this be fixed?

And, a direct email button would be nice.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:18:56pm

re: #45 jaunte

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oh dear

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danarchy  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:19:21pm

re: #17 ObserverArt

In the last thread I said I had a commercial from the National Nurses Association. They are actually called National Nurses United.

I just found their web site, and they are in Ohio right now. It makes complete sense to me this is the organization I heard in the radio commercial say Free College. Why? Because right on their web site is this:

National Nurses United Endorses Senator Bernie Sanders for President

Obviously this is confusing…it says free and also slashing student loans. Gotta tighten this up.

Couple of points. Free tuition at public universities and colleges does not mean there will be no more student loans, there are still many that will choose to go to private institutions.

Also Tuition is not the only cost related to going to school. Student loans may still be necessary to cover room and board and books and whatever else for full time students.

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Jenner7  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:19:35pm

Taxing Wall Street speculation won’t pay for everything he wants to do.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:19:37pm

re: #60 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh dear

It’s harmless. But I do have to wonder how Clinton saying Inholfe is a nice guy would go over.

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ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:20:18pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

What do people think about a feature that sends you an email if someone posts a private comment addressed to you?

Is there ability for that getting abused? If someone gets real upset about a comment there could be an ongoing email war that could get out of control and be unknown by you or others.

It would be best if it is all contained here in my opinion.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:20:35pm

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

That might be helpful if a person isn’t around to see the private message. Just a notification email from LGF, correct?

That’s what I’m considering - an email with a direct link to the comment with the private message.

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Belafon  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:21:27pm

re: #61 danarchy

Couple of points. Free tuition at public universities and colleges does not mean there will be no more student loans, there are still many that will choose to go to private institutions.

Also Tuition is not the only cost related to going to school. Student loans may still be necessary to cover room and board and books and whatever else for full time students.

I’m at the phase of my life where the next 14+ years will be about my kids and college. One of the things we talk about are the kids going to Germany, where even US students get free tuition. You still have to pay for room and board, which runs about $4K/yr.

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:21:43pm

re: #62 Jenner7

Taxing Wall Street speculation won’t pay for everything he wants to do.

It just seems like that would wind up being a tax on anyone using the banking system. Those people apparently understand how to pass on costs.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:23:01pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:23:06pm
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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:23:25pm
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20Hz  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:23:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:24:05pm

re: #70 jaunte

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Much agreed. Bonus points if Bernie talks about how expensive that actually is.

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:24:41pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:25:02pm

re: #71 20Hz

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That is one of the reasons why I was attracted to O’Malley. O’Malley signed a repeal of the DP in Maryland and shocker Maryland isn’t overrun by murderers killing everyone in sight because of the lack of DP.

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Belafon  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:25:09pm

So, here’s a question for everyone: We know that infrastructure, health care, defense spending, and college need to be overhauled in the US. How will we get those things fixed? Will it take getting unconditionally defeated by another country, or aliens, for it to happen? How would we get there? Would it take a virus wiping out 2/3 of the whites so that they’re on par with the rest of the country?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:25:30pm

re: #73 jaunte

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That is true as well. It was the Supreme Court not the Congress that abolished the DP in the 60’s.

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teleskiguy  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:25:35pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

In case you haven’t noticed - there’s a new icon at the top right of the comment editing box that looks like a cute little lock. It provides an interface that makes it much easier to enter private comments addressed to specific people or to everyone.

This is why I pay money to use this site. It’s always improving. That. And all you Lizard weirdos that comment here!

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No Depression  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:26:36pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

That is one of the reasons why I was attracted to O’Malley. O’Malley signed a repeal of the DP in Maryland and shocker Maryland isn’t overrun by murderers killing everyone in sight because of the lack of DP.

TELL THAT TO BALTIMORE!!!!1!1!! CHECKMATE LIBTARD!!1!!1!!1!!

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ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:26:38pm

re: #61 danarchy

Couple of points. Free tuition at public universities and colleges does not mean there will be no more student loans, there are still many that will choose to go to private institutions.

Also Tuition is not the only cost related to going to school. Student loans may still be necessary to cover room and board and books and whatever else for full time students.

Tell me about it. I didn’t mention that lab fees for a sculpture class or glass blowing student are astronomical at my old school. Books, paints, pads of paper, all kinds of materials to finish a project and even more to present it. You are responsible for it all.

And I never meant to imply there would be an end to scholarships with a Bernie proposal.

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:27:47pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:28:38pm
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philosophus invidius  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:28:42pm

re: #73 jaunte

Bernie can’t change state laws, obviously. But death penalty for federal crimes is part of US Code, so POTUS could have a role in changing that.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:28:59pm

re: #80 jaunte

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I do too. I think it’s a cop-out answer.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:29:03pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

You make it sound like it’s a bad thing.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:29:20pm

re: #82 philosophus invidius

Bernie can’t change state laws, obviously. But death penalty for federal crimes is part of US Code, so POTUS could have a role in changing that.

Right.

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20Hz  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:29:45pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:29:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:30:29pm

The DP is where I don’t get the American people. Okay, you tell me that we’re spending too much money on welfare, “free stuff”, and you’re concerned the government has too much power but wait you’re peachy with the state having the power to execute people. To quote Ace Ventura, alrighty then!

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teleskiguy  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:31:24pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

@Green_Footballs: My name has become a talisman that right wingers invoke to warn other right wingers not to start thinking for themselves.

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20Hz  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:31:40pm

re: #87 goddamnedfrank

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Nice.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:31:48pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:34:03pm

Honestly for as much as I’m told that liberals are prone to emotion in their policy views. The DP is one purely based off of emotion and not logic and reasoning. It’s always “Well what if your loved one was killed?” or something like that and honestly I get that. It IS an emotional issue but law shouldn’t be emotional. When you’re talking life and death, that shouldn’t be taking precedence. Just one innocent executed is a travesty on all of us.

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Targetpractice  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:34:33pm

If we’re waiting on Congress or the states to agree to abolish the DP, then we’re going to be waiting a very long time. For example, the VA assembly just got done passing a bill that says if the state cannot get its hands on the drugs for lethal injection, then it will default to the electric chair for executions. I strongly suspect if someone determines a way to cut the power to the chair during executions, the state will seriously consider bringing back hanging next.

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No Depression  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:35:04pm

re: #88 HappyWarrior

The DP is where I don’t get the American people. Okay, you tell me that we’re spending too much money on welfare, “free stuff”, and you’re concerned the government has too much power but wait you’re peachy with the state having the power to execute people. To quote Ace Ventura, alrighty then!

I think it’s because they honestly don’t realize that it’s an ineffective deterrent and is more costly than life sentences. “Common sense” would tell you that severe penalties for crimes would disincentivize committing them, but that isn’t necessarily true.

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danarchy  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:36:18pm

re: #87 goddamnedfrank

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The ACA is not perfect and there are a fairly large swath of folks who get right fucked by it. My plan now has seen my premiums rise by about 50% and it is only that low because I have taken on larger and larger deductibles(up to a $4000 deductible now.)

I am lucky. I fall into upper middle class and can afford it and am ok paying extra so more people can be covered, but it hasn’t been sunshine and rainbows for everyone.

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:36:32pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:36:33pm

re: #93 Targetpractice

If we’re waiting on Congress or the states to agree to abolish the DP, then we’re going to be waiting a very long time. For example, the VA assembly just got done passing a bill that says if the state cannot get its hands on the drugs for lethal injection, then it will default to the electric chair for executions. I strongly suspect if someone determines a way to cut the power to the chair during executions, the state will seriously consider bringing back hanging next.

Knowing our state, you’re absolutely right. Too many people love them the DP. It’s not just legislators. It’s zealous prosecutors trying to make their careers being “tough on crime” which really shouldn’t be the goal of a prosecutor. There’s a different between prosecuting people who violate the law and “tough on crime”, one is a noble and thankless pursuit, the other is a job interview bragging statement.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:36:56pm

re: #94 No Depression

I think it’s because they honestly don’t realize that it’s an ineffective deterrent and is more costly than life sentences. “Common sense” would tell you that severe penalties for crimes would disincentivize committing them, but that isn’t necessarily true.

A good point.

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teleskiguy  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:39:02pm

re: #93 Targetpractice

I evolved on the death penalty. I used to be for the death penalty. I now want the death penalty abolished.

Luckily in Colorado, people seem keen to the idea that the death penalty should be done for. The most encouraging news I’ve seen on that score is the Aurora movie theater shooter who is now serving a life sentence; the jury could not agree on a death sentence, of which the decision must be unanimous.

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majii  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:39:51pm

re: #87 goddamnedfrank

I think whether one’s health insurance premiums have increased quite a bit has a lot to do with the sitting governor and state lawmakers. I know here in GA, they rejected the Obamacare Medicaid expansion, then, passed law forbidding the governor to do anything about expanding Medicaid. The state’s largest newspaper, The Atlanta Journal Constitution, has reported on how GOP/TP politicians, who occupy the governor’s office and have a majority in the legislature, look out for the interests of the insurance companies. AJC reported that our own insurance commissioner is wined and dined by health insurance execs and sees no conflict in attending conferences at posh resorts and working to promote their interests over citizens’ interests. What pisses me off are the right-wingers here who whine about their health insurance rates and keep voting for pols who are denying them affordable health insurance. I’ve never witnessed so much stupid in one place in my 60+ years. There’s a total lack of ability to connect the dots between their increased healthcare premium payments and the politicians they support being the bought and paid for lackeys of insurance executives.

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Weaselone  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:40:30pm

There are numerous reasons to eliminate the death penalty in this country. I don’t think moral superiority to a life sentence is one of them.

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:40:36pm

I am not sure that the DP is the mountain HRC should die on. She has to win the general too.

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Targetpractice  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:41:05pm

re: #94 No Depression

I think it’s because they honestly don’t realize that it’s an ineffective deterrent and is more costly than life sentences. “Common sense” would tell you that severe penalties for crimes would disincentivize committing them, but that isn’t necessarily true.

According to one “serious” wingnut I know, it’s totally a deterrent because the executed person will never offend again. What’s that you say? What if the condemned is really innocent? No system’s perfect, we just got to do the best we can to ensure that only the guilty end up on death row. And if we execute an innocent man or two, it’s okay because man more guilty men will never again walk the Earth.

Blackstone’s spinning so fast in his grave, he could be a dynamo.

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Belafon  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:42:05pm

re: #102 Ming5000

U am not sure that the DP is the mountain HRC should die on. She has to win the general too.

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I’m curious what went on in the 60s in that chart.

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Jenner7  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:42:16pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:42:47pm

re: #90 20Hz

Nice.

Lady didn’t even try to use the law to her advantage, didn’t even bother to check how its regulations mandated improvements to the plan whose cost increase she was complaining about. For all we know she had a catastrophic only plan before, and its a veritable certainty that her pre ACA coverage came with a benefit cap and pre-existing condition exclusion.

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teleskiguy  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:42:56pm

re: #101 Weaselone

There are numerous reasons to eliminate the death penalty in this country. I don’t think moral superiority to a life sentence is one of them.

What do you think should happen to James Holmes, who shot 82 people in a crowded theater, 12 of whom died, one of them eight years old? As it stands he’s serving a life sentence.

Genuinely curious.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:43:53pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:44:10pm

re: #102 Ming5000

I am not sure that the DP is the mountain HRC should die on. She has to win the general too.

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It’s one of those moral issues that the country isn’t quite ready to deal with. Not the only one.

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:44:43pm

re: #104 Belafon

I’m curious what went on in the 60s in that chart.

My guess

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:44:46pm

re: #108 The Vicious Babushka

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Now that’s the kind of thing that makes me sympathetic as hell to Bernie’s worldview. It infuriates me that these guys make as much in a day that the average American makes in a year or in many cases more so.

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Targetpractice  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:45:44pm

re: #104 Belafon

I’m curious what went on in the 60s in that chart.

Civil Right’s movement. The spike seems to correlate roughly with the outbreak of violence and riots that really seemed to crest around ‘68-69.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:45:51pm

re: #104 Belafon

I’m curious what went on in the 60s in that chart.

National moratorium on DP in 1967

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:47:37pm

re: #102 Ming5000

I am not sure that the DP is the mountain HRC should die on. She has to win the general too.

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I don’t fault her. I do hate that the DP is as popular as it is in our country though.

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teleskiguy  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:48:39pm

It’s been a rather horrendous year for avalanche fatalities.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:49:22pm

re: #115 teleskiguy

It’s been a rather horrendous year for avalanche fatalities.

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Scary stuff. I think that’s up there with one of the most horrifying ways to go.

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danarchy  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:49:39pm

re: #108 The Vicious Babushka

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Makes for a nice graphic but it is bullshit. CEO salary has next to nothing to do with healthcare costs. United Heath Care revenue for 2015 was 157 Billion dollars. Yeah the CEO is overpaid, but it is a drop in the bucket for their budget.

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ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:52:26pm

re: #41 20Hz

I think it is funny how we have all these arguments about how it would be so challenging to have “free” education but the resistance to wasting huge amounts of money on programs like the f 35 is met with a meh.

I’m pretty sure you have heard of the people known as conservatives. They would love to only spend taxes on the military and everything else would be up to the states. That is what they like to refer to as ‘small government’ or what is left of government after it has been drowned in their bathtub.

If you can get them to change that very fundamental conservative thinking in the next few months I am all in on everything Bernie wants to do.

I also do not see all states being able to do anything that approaches what we already have as National agencies and programs and the like. It is one of the reasons Federal Government grew.

So, Bernie and every Democrat has to face that. It is then up to everyone to judge who can get anything done at all.

It is one of the reasons I think many worry about Bernie’s plans. Do enough people really understand that Bernie can only give it his best shot in the face of the conservatives that he has to work with? To me that seems so simple, but appears to be hard for some.

I think that is why some think Hillary is more realistic and can possibly get more done because of the very things she gets criticized for. Her connections in government. Her connections to Wall Street.

Everyone needs to be real about how government works. You can ask for a revolution, but you face a good chance of being denied.

As an example. You can ask the banks you call out to change and they can give all their money to your opposition to bury you. A good chance nothing gets changed. If you are not a totally enemy of Wall Street, do you stand a better chance to work with them to get some changes?

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Targetpractice  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:52:35pm

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Belafon  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:53:10pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

It looks like that’s the result of the decrease in support for the death penalty over the decade, but not its cause. I think #112 is probably correct that it was the Civil Rights Movement.

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:53:43pm

re: #114 HappyWarrior

I don’t fault her. I do hate that the DP is as popular as it is in our country though.

Cripes, me too. But, I think the lesson learned is the Dems cannot win if they put up someone too liberal.

Like the quote attributed to FDR: ‘I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it’

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:54:04pm

re: #117 danarchy

Makes for a nice graphic but it is bullshit. CEO salary has next to nothing to do with healthcare costs. United Heath Care revenue for 2015 was 157 Billion dollars. Yeah the CEO is overpaid, but it is a drop in the bucket for their budget.

What the fuck does Stephen Hemsley do that is worth that much money, which is FOUR TIMES as much IN ONE DAY as an average American make IN AN ENTIRE YEAR.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:55:05pm

re: #121 Ming5000

Cripes, me too. But, I think the lesson learned is the Dems cannot win if they put up someone too liberal.

Like the quote attributed to FDR: ‘I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it’

I like that quote. As I said earlier bonus points for any candidate who can explain to the public that the DP does the opposite of save money. I mean I’d rather get it abolished for humanitarian reasons but if we can convince tight belted people that the DP is their taxdollars at work killing people maybe that could change some minds.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:55:10pm

re: #119 Targetpractice

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Deleted scenes from Peter Jackson’s R-rated “The Hobbit”

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makeitstop  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:55:14pm

re: #119 Targetpractice

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Typical internet tough guy. About as far out of shape as a human can get.

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Weaselone  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:55:20pm

re: #107 teleskiguy

Assuming that there is no chance of him being rehabilitated and an in some small measure of restitution for his crime, then he needs to be isolated from society for its protection. I think the choice between execution and life in prison should be up to the convict to decide except in the cases where the possibility of escape and risk to society of such an event were unacceptably high.

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teleskiguy  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:56:01pm

re: #118 ObserverArt

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:56:18pm

re: #119 Targetpractice

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Crinkey well you did warn us.

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Sherlock Hound  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:56:32pm

re: #100 majii
To paraphrase Sinclair, their livelihood depends on their not understanding it.

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teleskiguy  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:57:09pm

re: #119 Targetpractice

Why did you post this?!? You MONSTER!!!

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Belafon  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:57:16pm

re: #119 Targetpractice

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My brother is back to “temporarily” living with my parents. He’s one of those people for whom the world offers too many choices, and so he gets going for a while and then something happens that brings it all back down.

Chuck, on the other hand, is just a lazy man living off of other people.

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TedStriker  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:57:46pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

OOOGA BOOGA!!!11ty

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:58:08pm

Overheard at work this week: Someone talking about getting ready to send their son to college - Baylor University here in TX is over $60K a year?? Is that true?

I don’t know how anybody affords to go to school at all, if prices are that high for private universities. That’s fully double what an upper-tier school cost in the Boston area when I was preparing to go to school.

…Which I just realized is nearly 20 years ago. :getting old facepalm:

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danarchy  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:59:11pm

re: #122 The Vicious Babushka

What the fuck does Stephen Hemsley do that is worth that much money, which is FOUR TIMES as much IN ONE DAY as an average American make IN AN ENTIRE YEAR.

What does Tom Cruise do that is worth 20 million dollars for an 8 week movie shoot?

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teleskiguy  Mar 13, 2016 • 6:59:41pm

re: #126 Weaselone

I think the choice between execution and life in prison should be up to the convict to decide except in the cases where the possibility of escape and risk to society of such an event were unacceptably high.

Goddamn. That’s a wholly reasonable position, one that I’ll probably adopt.

Welcome, hatchling! Nice to hear from you!

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Belafon  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:00:18pm

re: #134 danarchy

What does Tom Cruise do that is worth 20 million dollars for an 8 week movie shoot?

Partially, pay a whole lot of other people from that $20M for the work they do to get him those movies and make him look good.

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A Cranky One  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:00:26pm

The political ads have started in earnest in the Chicago area.

Interesting to note: I’ve seen several anti-Trump ads, sponsored by Club for Growth Action. Did the Kochs change their mind and jump into the primary races?

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:00:32pm

re: #119 Targetpractice

Christ, the guy even looks like a troll.

I’m going to start xeroxing my gut and see if anybody will give me money for it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:00:38pm

re: #134 danarchy

What does Tom Cruise do that is worth 20 million dollars for an 8 week movie shoot?

Beats me. He utterly sucked as Jack Reacher.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:01:01pm

re: #138 Pawn of the Oppressor

Christ, the guy even looks like a troll.

I’m going to start xeroxing my gut and see if anybody will give me money for it.

I always thought he looked like a walking garden gnome.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:01:49pm

re: #133 Pawn of the Oppressor

Overheard at work this week: Someone talking about getting ready to send their son to college - Baylor University here in DFW, TX is over $60K a year?? Is that true?

I don’t know how anybody affords to go to school at all, if prices are that high for private universities. That’s fully double what an upper-tier school cost in the Boston area when I was preparing to go to school.

…Which I just realized is nearly 20 years ago. :getting old facepalm:

Probably is true, when you add in fees and room and board.

Hell, I went to a state school as an out of state student. By the time I finished there - and this was a public school - my tuition/room/board was up to $30,000 a year. (Thank goodness for scholarships - and my year was the last year they didn’t put an upper value on the scholarship over the 4 years.)

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Belafon  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:01:58pm

re: #139 The Vicious Babushka

Beats me. He utterly sucked as Jack Reacher.

I haven’t seen Jack Reacher because everyone says it sucked. But he was good in Edge of Tomorrow and the Mission Impossible movies.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:03:47pm

Nevermind … forgot Backwoods Sleuth posted this in the previous thread.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:04:21pm

re: #142 Belafon

I haven’t seen Jack Reacher because everyone says it sucked. But he was good in Edge of Tomorrow and the Mission Impossible movies.

I love the Jack Reacher books. His whole character is built around his physical size: 6’5” 250 lbs. They should have cast John Cena in that role. I know he’s a wrestler, not an actor, but Lee Child ain’t fucking Shakespeare.

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ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:04:28pm

re: #104 Belafon

I’m curious what went on in the 60s in that chart.

Peace, Love and Understanding. The Hippie and Vietnam Era maybe? I’m not sure, but it might factor in. Those same boomers of the era, yeah, many of them have changed.

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:05:11pm

Metro News columnist for South Florida Sun-Sentinel:

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:05:26pm
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Weaselone  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:05:52pm

re: #134 danarchy

In my opinion nothing, but unfortunately, there are millions of other people who are willing to fork over 10+ dollars a pop to see a movie partially because he is starring in it. I would be surprised if even 5% of the people purchasing the insurance at the individual level knew that Helmsley was the CEO.

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teleskiguy  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:07:34pm

Now I’m getting a little soggy in the mid-section, I’m in my mid-thirties and I definitely notice my metabolism slowing down (I’m still, somehow, maintaining a weight of 165 lbs. this winter). UpChuck is in his late twenties and he’s all pudge. I thought he was some kind of alpha-male who does nothing but *lift* in his free time.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:07:44pm

Florida journalist got tossed from Trump rally

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Cheechako  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:09:05pm

I like the ACA but I do have two complaints. The first is that you must sign up at the beginning of the year and then start paying for it. If you qualify for a subsidy you get it as a tax credit the following year. If you’re on an extremely tight budget it’s very difficult add in an insurance payment every month. This is really tough on low income taxpayers so they don’t sign up and then get penalized at an escalating rate at tax time next year. Low income people need the subsidy directly each month to make the system operational.

The second complaint is that multi State and Regional pools need to be established to help spread the risk for smaller states. Right now, Alaska has only one insurer offering ACA insurance and the rates are climbing. Being part of a larger pool such as AK, WA, ID, and OR would help reduce the spiraling cost increases.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:09:06pm
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danarchy  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:09:27pm

re: #148 Weaselone

In my opinion nothing, but unfortunately, there are millions of other people who are willing to fork over 10+ dollars a pop to see a movie partially because he is starring in it. I would be surprised if even 5% of the people purchasing the insurance at the individual level knew that Helmsley was the CEO.

No, but if he can negotiate a good deal with a hospital network, or guide the company through a tricky acquisition, a good ceo can cover the cost of his salary many fold.

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BeachDem  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:09:38pm

Hillary’s final answer really resonated with me. About how she’s much better at doing the job than getting the job. I’m the same way. When I’m the primary on a presentation, we might get the job or we might not; when I’m a sub, once we get the job, it’s done right, and our clients keep coming back year after year.

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Targetpractice  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:10:15pm

re: #147 goddamnedfrank

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Looks like a refugee from GTA: Vice City.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:10:43pm

re: #155 Targetpractice

Looks like a refugee from GTA: Vice City.

HEh yeah I was thinking that too.

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Weaselone  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:11:26pm

re: #135 teleskiguy

Thanks. I have given this issue a little bit of thought as it’s an area my opinion has fluctuated a bit over the years. I’ve never exactly been a big fan. As others have noted, racism plays a huge role in whether someone is likely to be sentenced to death. It’s also irreversible, so innocent people are killed. There’s also the issue that it makes us look barbaric to most of the rest of the planet.

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ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:12:26pm

re: #117 danarchy

Makes for a nice graphic but it is bullshit. CEO salary has next to nothing to do with healthcare costs. United Heath Care revenue for 2015 was 157 Billion dollars. Yeah the CEO is overpaid, but it is a drop in the bucket for their budget.

Those poor poor insurance companies. /

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:13:01pm

what in the utter fuck
Please Bernie don’t embarrass yourself

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Targetpractice  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:13:36pm

re: #159 The Vicious Babushka

what in the utter fuck
Please Bernie don’t embarrass yourself

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The smell of desperation is getting thicker.

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Skip Intro  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:14:33pm

re: #160 Targetpractice

Bernie wants to burn the house down if he doesn’t win.

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:16:52pm

re: #152 klys (maker of Silmarils)

There isn’t much high ground near Hebert to evacuate to.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:17:32pm

Didn’t think Walking Dead could get darker than it was last week but…yep.
Don’t worry, I’m not gonna say anything more.

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:19:14pm

re: #161 Skip Intro

Bernie wants to burn the house down if he doesn’t win.

I hope not. There is not that huge a difference between Bernie and HRC on most issues.
About the Wall Street Tax:

Sanders has proposed something he calls a speculation tax, a small levy on every stock, bond or derivative sold in the United States.
While Hillary Clinton has proposed a similar tax on high-speed trading, Sanders’ plan would go much further.

Both candidates say their tax would cut back on computer-generated, high-speed trading, which is often accused of destabilizing the markets and giving an unfair advantage to large firms.

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danarchy  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:19:27pm

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

Didn’t think Walking Dead could get darker than it was last week but…yep.
Don’t worry, I’m not gonna say anything more.

Ah shit, I completely forgot. Now I have to stay up late to watch the replay.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:19:48pm

re: #152 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Sounds like things are getting serious down south. What’s going on, a storm, or just torrential spring rains?

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bratwurst  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:21:45pm

This Lincoln-Douglas documentary on CNN is seriously marred by having Jake Tapper and Newt Gingrich serve as on screen “experts”. Was Bill O’Reilly not available?

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ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:23:01pm

re: #150 The Vicious Babushka

Florida journalist got tossed from Trump rally

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People that think everyone over states things like Trump being a fascist or a dictator need to read that tweet.

One of the first signs of a control freak despot or dictator is to take control of the media.

Unbelievable.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:23:57pm

re: #167 bratwurst

This Lincoln-Douglas documentary on CNN is seriously marred by having Jake Tapper and Newt Gingrich serve as on screen “experts”. Was Bill O’Reilly not available?

Too bad, I’d probably be interested in watching if not for that. Douglas is an interesting figure.

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Jenner7  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:24:25pm

I dunno, remind me again which candidate the NRA was praising???

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:24:38pm

re: #166 thedopefishlives

Sounds like things are getting serious down south. What’s going on, a storm, or just torrential spring rains?

Lots of rain for several days now.

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ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:25:09pm

re: #151 Cheechako

I like the ACA but I do have two complaints. The first is that you must sign up at the beginning of the year and then start paying for it. If you qualify for a subsidy you get it as a tax credit the following year. If you’re on an extremely tight budget it’s very difficult add in an insurance payment every month. This is really tough on low income taxpayers so they don’t sign up and then get penalized at an escalating rate at tax time next year. Low income people need the subsidy directly each month to make the system operational.

The second complaint is that multi State and Regional pools need to be established to help spread the risk for smaller states. Right now, Alaska has only one insurer offering ACA insurance and the rates are climbing. Being part of a larger pool such as AK, WA, ID, and OR would help reduce the spiraling cost increases.

It has it’s issues. Just think what could happen if all the government, insurance and healthcare people decided it is the law of the land and they were all going to make it work. I happen to think it would be what it was always hoped to be.

And they can still tune it up. If they want to.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:25:14pm

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lots of rain for several days now.

Springtime on the Mississippi, then. But global warming isn’t a credible threat, oh no.

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ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:25:38pm

re: #152 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Oh no.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:27:15pm

re: #146 jaunte

Metro News columnist for South Florida Sun-Sentinel:

Michael Mayo ‎@heymikemayo

i just got thrown out of the trump rally for crime of filming/tweeting. was given choice of jail/arrest or leaving by pbso/staffer. I left
8:54 PM - 13 Mar 2016

Because the liberal media and liberals hate free speech! Oh wait…

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danarchy  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:27:20pm

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

Didn’t think Walking Dead could get darker than it was last week but…yep.
Don’t worry, I’m not gonna say anything more.

I was hanging out with an old college friend last night who is in town for a bit and I found out he is friends with Andrew Lincoln. Apparently their mothers were friends in South Africa and he has known him since they were kids.

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ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:27:51pm

re: #154 BeachDem

Hillary’s final answer really resonated with me. About how she’s much better at doing the job than getting the job. I’m the same way. When I’m the primary on a presentation, we might get the job or we might not; when I’m a sub, once we get the job, it’s done right, and our clients keep coming back year after year.

Good hard critical work kept me going for 35 years in graphic arts. But I am not a great salesman. I’m a technician worker bee. Give me the damn work please.

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Weaselone  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:28:58pm

re: #153 danarchy

No, but if he can negotiate a good deal with a hospital network, or guide the company through a tricky acquisition, a good ceo can cover the cost of his salary many fold.

Out of curiosity, did the CEO of the hospital network also make a good enough deal to cover the cost of his/her 100 million dollar pay package?

CEO wages tend to correlate strongly with company size. Whether a CEO is objectively good or bad does not seem to be as much of a factor. Absolutely atrocious CEOs can still collect massive pay packages and even more lucrative severance packages when the board finally kicks them to the curb. Alternately, many founder CEOs do amazing jobs while pulling in little compensation besides the appreciation of their own stock in the company.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:29:40pm

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makeitstop  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:30:38pm

Racist brother of racist ex-shock jock update:

I just got off the phone with a musician friend of mine, who got a call from Joe Cumia (brother of Racist Anthony). Joe’s had a couple of pretty successful bands in the NY area and has made a living from it for a long time. But according to my friend, Joe has been filling his Facebook page with the most toxic, hateful racist posts. This has been going on since about the time his brother lost his gig.

My friend said that Joe called him looking for a character reference - club owners have been tipped off to his FB posts, and as a result no one will book his bands any more. That, and Cumia started a Hendrix tribute, and actually tried booking it under the name White Hendrix.

Words have consequences. I’m still SMH, though. White Hendrix? SRSLY???

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TedStriker  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:33:16pm

re: #180 makeitstop

Racist brother of racist ex-shock jock update:

I just got off the phone with a musician friend of mine, who got a call from Joe Cumia (brother of Racist Anthony). Joe’s had a couple of pretty successful bands in the NY area and has made a living from it for a long time. But according to my friend, Joe has been filling his Facebook page with the most toxic, hateful racist posts. This has been going on since about the time his brother lost his gig.

My friend said that Joe called him looking for a character reference - club owners have been tipped off to his FB posts, and as a result no one will book his bands any more. That, and Cumia started a Hendrix tribute, and actually tried booking it under the name White Hendrix.

Words have consequences. I’m still SMH, though. White Hendrix? SRSLY???

Two racist bigot apples from the same tree…quelle surprise.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:33:33pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

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CuriousLurker  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:33:51pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

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Targetpractice  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:35:39pm
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thedopefishlives  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:36:11pm

re: #180 makeitstop

Words have consequences. And yet, people like the Rage Furby still seem to think they can escape those consequences, and if they don’t, that they’re being unfairly persecuted.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:36:29pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

What do people think about a feature that sends you an email if someone posts a private comment addressed to you?

That would be good.

I also like the idea of highlighting another user’s post that quotes us.

Often times, comments replying to you are missed. Just a thought.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:38:07pm

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

Didn’t think Walking Dead could get darker than it was last week but…yep.
Don’t worry, I’m not gonna say anything more.

Totally…

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ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:38:14pm

re: #183 CuriousLurker

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I love that video. That kid is good. Hahaaahaaaaa…

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danarchy  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:40:38pm

re: #178 Weaselone

Out of curiosity, did the CEO of the hospital network also make a good enough deal to cover the cost of his/her 100 million dollar pay package?

CEO wages tend to correlate strongly with company size. Whether a CEO is objectively good or bad does not seem to be as much of a factor. Absolutely atrocious CEOs can still collect massive pay packages and even more lucrative severance packages when the board finally kicks them to the curb. Alternately, many founder CEOs do amazing jobs while pulling in little compensation besides the appreciation there own stock in the company.

This is the same deal as when a sports team signs a large contract. You do it hoping it will pay off. Sometimes it does sometimes it doesn’t, and yeah the whole CEO and Board situation is too incestuous in most industries and it leads to companies making bad decisions. There really is a pretty limited pool to pull from for managing a corporation that large though.

I know I would be about as successful at running a company with 157 Billion dollars in annual revenue as I would be at hitting a major league fast ball. I wouldn’t even know what information to ask for or who to delegate what to.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:43:35pm

re: #188 ObserverArt

I love that video. That kid is good. Hahaaahaaaaa…

Same here. I’ve prolly watched it 50 times, but it still cracks me up every time.

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:43:51pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:44:27pm

little goat is very little…

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CuriousLurker  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:44:51pm

re: #191 jaunte

Dang TN too? What the heck is going on with the weather?

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:45:26pm

re: #193 CuriousLurker

I think it’s just the leading edge of the same system.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:46:03pm

re: #194 jaunte

I think it’s just the leading edge of the same system.

Ah, okay. Guess God is really pissed at someone, huh? //

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thedopefishlives  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:46:42pm

re: #195 CuriousLurker

Ah, okay. Guess God is really pissed at someone, huh? //

“Look, you fuckers, if you’re serious about supporting Trump, then we’re going to have issues.”

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ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:47:27pm

I don’t know about the other LGF folks that watched tonight’s Democratic Town Hall, but to me that was the most informative political show so far. There were actual details drawn out of both candidates and they gave some detail to those answers.

I’m proud that it came from good ol’ hometown of Columbus. And Ohio State’s Mershon Auditorium looked good. It is a great hall. Saw Procol Harum in there one time. What a band for such a venue. Saw many other shows in there too, but PH was made for that place. I also remember Mott the Hoople and even a great Joe Walsh’s Barnstorm show.

CNN, you should have asked much the same questions, the same way of the Clown Car Drivers.

Later all! Good back ‘n’ forth tonight.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:48:44pm

re: #193 CuriousLurker

Dang TN too? What the heck is going on with the weather?

Arkansas has been getting it too.
Julie posted this earlier this evening (hail was so bad her husband was trapped in his truck for a while):

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:50:34pm
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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:56:45pm
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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:57:59pm

This guy; he’s too much.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:58:02pm

Big storm in Washington State as well:

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CuriousLurker  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:59:27pm

re: #196 thedopefishlives

“Look, you fuckers, if you’re serious about supporting Trump, then we’re going to have issues.”

Oh wait, didn’t Louisiana recently elect a Dem governor? Maybe they’re getting punished for that. Hillary won the Dem primaries in Arkansas & Tennessee too, so there’s also that. And all the godless atheists & Muslim infidels, the gays… God never, EVER punishes Christians or conservatives because… SHUT UP, HE JUST DOESN’T, OKAY??

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Jenner7  Mar 13, 2016 • 7:59:35pm
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CuriousLurker  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:01:03pm

re: #200 jaunte

re: #201 jaunte

Baghdad Bob, I’m telling ya’.

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:01:29pm

re: #205 CuriousLurker

All is well!

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Ming5000  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:01:46pm

re: #201 jaunte

He must have a stack of index cards with these tweets that he picks at random. They work at any time since they are so unhinged from reality.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:02:51pm

re: #203 CuriousLurker

Oh wait, didn’t Louisiana recently elect a Dem governor? Maybe they’re getting punished for that. Hillary won the Dem primaries in Arkansas & Tennessee too, so there’s also that. And all the godless atheists & Muslim infidels, the gays… God never, EVER punishes Christians or conservatives because… SHUT UP, HE JUST DOESN’T, OKAY??

God never punishes Christians or conservatives, but yet they find themselves continually needing to “make America great again” because we’ve somehow managed to fuck up the good juju they’ve been trying to cultivate with the Man Upstairs.

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Kragar  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:06:25pm

re: #200 jaunte

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BeachDem  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:08:36pm

A very engaged “yoot.” Madison is 14 years old and she is the real deal. (I’ve known her since she was TWELVE!)

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CuriousLurker  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:09:06pm

re: #206 jaunte

All is well!

They are not near Baghdad. Don’t believe them. They are nowhere. This is silly!

Bagdad Bob: Iraqi Information Minister

We’re winning, I tell you!

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:09:57pm

“…PET was only invented about 70 years ago. That means the bacteria must have evolved the ability to consume the plastic over the intervening decades.”

Maybe some good news for the ocean.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:13:14pm

re: #159 The Vicious Babushka

what in the utter fuck
Please Bernie don’t embarrass yourself

[Embedded content]

That self awareness!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:14:50pm

I’m mulling over going to meet someone at the Serbian Orthodox Church.

I want to meet someone who is Serbian, to see how close they are to the image I have in mind that was created from all the TV I watched when I was 4-9 years old, and the books I have read since.

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danhenry1  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:15:37pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

I think that is why Sanders is liked by both the young, and we 60’s somethings, who shouted ‘hey hey lbj how many kids did you kill today’, back when then was then…68? Memory failing, its just too bad McCarthy’s followers did not have the same melding of the young, and matured.

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:23:29pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:23:45pm
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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:25:33pm

re: #159 The Vicious Babushka

what in the utter fuck
Please Bernie don’t embarrass yourself

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“Killer Mike” is a proud NRA member.

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:26:03pm

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

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retired cynic  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:27:14pm

re: #219 jaunte

Just a couple of innocents, abroad upon the land.

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No Depression  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:28:09pm

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

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From one cheater to another…

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Kragar  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:28:20pm
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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:32:04pm

I’m 110% against death penalty. Clinton is very wrong on this one.

But IIUC it doesn’t depend on the President directly, it depends, realistically, on the SCOTUS, no? So elect someone who will put liberals on the SCOTUS and one day you may see DP abolished.

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Kragar  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:36:09pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:37:50pm

niterz, lizardz!

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philosophus invidius  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:38:51pm

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

The other side of the ball says “by dropping out of the race”

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:39:53pm
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:39:59pm

re: #212 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Maybe some good news for the ocean.

I think it was in the book “The World Without Us” that the author gave a timeframe of about 250,000 years before a microorganism evolved to eat plastic. Maybe that was a pessimistic estimate.

That’s good news for pollution, but for industries that’s like finding out that all your high-tech materials are suddenly only as good as wood for durability. Imagine something rotting your phone…

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Kragar  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:40:11pm
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retired cynic  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:40:50pm

re: #227 jaunte

AAAAA!

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ipsos  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:40:56pm

re: #224 Kragar

I’m heartened to see more and more friends on my FB wall, even some who’d usually been very non-political, taking similar stands against creeping Trumpism.

But then I’ve already blocked a lot of people who’d be taking the opposite stance, so perhaps there’s selection bias at work here?

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:41:33pm

The last time I saw “white people out in force” it was at the mall.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:42:20pm

re: #229 Kragar

She is Satan’s Favorite Whore at this point. I hate using a word like that, but she truly is one, in the money-for-services sense.

Ted Cruz should pick her for VP.

Cruz/Coulter 2016: Why Not Evil?

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:44:48pm
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CuriousLurker  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:46:42pm

re: #216 jaunte

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I think that last part about feeling inadequate is true for most creative people

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:48:04pm

re: #235 CuriousLurker

Yes, it’s just part of the territory. Every piece you make, even the ones that other people love, has errors and omission glaring out of it.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:49:26pm

re: #235 CuriousLurker

++ I needed to read that right now. I’m on my third beer at 11 PM while writing a comic story and I was just describing it to a friend over text (damned distractions) and I was feeling pretty strange about my stuff.

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:51:21pm

re: #235 CuriousLurker

Here is that “empurpled” again. English!

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CuriousLurker  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:54:58pm

re: #238 Nyet

That’s weird, like twice in one week, right?

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:57:04pm

Empurpled is strange. I don’t think you can “em” any other colors.

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:57:47pm

And bedizened. Can one simply “dizen?”

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:57:49pm

re: #239 CuriousLurker

That weird, like twice in one week, right?

I know, right. Sometimes I learn some new word, or a phrase, or a factoid, and then come upon it again shortly thereafter. Was it because I never noticed it before and now I do? I suppose.

PS: I also wonder why one can empurple but not emgreen or emyellow ;)

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:58:33pm

re: #240 jaunte

Empurpled is strange. I don’t think you can “em” any other colors.

I suppose you can “emblacken”… but that’s it.

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 8:59:38pm

Aha! Embrown:
dictionary.com

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:00:23pm

My gut feeling tells me that “em” is for b…/p…, for other cases “en”.

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:00:35pm

Also Embronze. Things are embroadening.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:00:46pm

re: #242 Nyet

It’s like when you buy a certain model/color of car, then start noticing them everywhere.

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:01:10pm

re: #245 Nyet

Hmm, OK.

em-1
1.
variant of en-1.before b, p, and sometimes m:
embalm.
Expand
Compare im-1.
em-2
1.
variant of en-2.before b, m, p, ph:
embolism, emphasis.

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bratwurst  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:01:32pm

I have about fucking had it with Twitter.

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:01:54pm

I’m in favor of embiggening the variations.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:02:36pm

re: #245 Nyet

How many languages do you speak (fluently)? You seem to have a knack for them.

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makeitstop  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:02:46pm

re: #242 Nyet

I know, right. Sometimes I learn some new word, or a phrase, or a factoid, and then come upon it again shortly thereafter. Was it because I never noticed it before and now I do? I suppose.

PS: I also wonder why one can empurple but not emgreen or emyellow ;)

It’s kind of like when you buy a car, and all of a sudden there are thousands of the same car on the road.

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makeitstop  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:03:28pm

re: #247 CuriousLurker

It’s like when you buy a certain model/color of car, then start noticing them everywhere.

Hey, I said that! :)

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:04:00pm

re: #247 CuriousLurker

It’s like when you buy a certain model/color of car, then start noticing them everywhere.

re: #252 makeitstop

It’s kind of like when you buy a car, and all of a sudden there are thousands of the same car on the road.

“I love repetition” (c) Stewie Griffin ;)

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:04:43pm

re: #251 CuriousLurker

1 native, 2 foreign.

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:05:05pm

On Sunday, President Barack Obama signed an order declaring the flooding in Louisiana a major disaster. The president’s declaration triggers federal aid for flood victims.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:07:17pm

re: #255 Nyet

1 native, 2 foreign.

Well, yeah, it would be kinda weird if you only spoke foreign languages and didn’t have a native one. // Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:07:46pm

re: #257 CuriousLurker

Well, yeah, it would be kinda weird if you only spoke foreign languages and didn’t have a native one. // Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

One can speak more than 1 native language ;)

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blueraven  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:12:09pm

re: #134 danarchy

What does Tom Cruise do that is worth 20 million dollars for an 8 week movie shoot?

Ummmm…Tom Cruise is in the entertainment business. It is not a fundamental issue of life. You can choose to see his movie or not. Healthcare is a necessity. These salaries are are obscene.

Not to defend sports and entertainment money, I think that is obscene as well, but it is a choice, not life and death.

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cat-tikvah  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:12:22pm

re: #240 jaunte

Empurpled is strange. I don’t think you can “em” any other colors.

But, per The Simpsons’ Springfield founder Jebediah Springfield, “A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man”! : - )

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mmmirele  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:12:41pm

re: #18 Skip Intro

From Sanders’ website:

So if we’re going to be nit pickers about it, he’s saying it will be free for everyone who gets accepted into a public college, i.e. it’s free.

BTW, I went to the University of CA in the 1970s and it most certainly wasn’t free. It was cheap, but not free. Community colleges back then were tuition free.

I graduated from the University of Texas at Austin in 1984 and my tuition for my last semester (a full load of classes) was $212.50. The books cost more. I graduated from law school five years later, and tuition was a relatively measly $75/hour. Currently it’s $930/hour. I can’t even imagine going to law school (or undergraduate) today.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:13:36pm

re: #258 Nyet

Yeah, I know. It just struck me as funny if you didn’t think about it too much. It’s a thing with some Americans, so many of whom are monolingual; speaking more than one language can make you seem suspicious to them. I’m talking about the kind of people who say “Ay-rab” and “Eye-ranian” and “Messkin” (i.e. Trump supporters).

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:13:39pm

re: #261 mmmirele

$930/hour

*sound of jaw hitting the floor*

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bratwurst  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:14:12pm

This is amazingly chicken shit:

Sure Mitt…put your ass on the line by campaigning for a guy in the only state where he is already polling well.

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:14:22pm

re: #263 Nyet

(semester hours)
Still, way too much.

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:15:22pm

re: #261 mmmirele

I went to UT also; a $2500 scholarship paid for all four years of books and tuition.

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No Depression  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:16:01pm

re: #249 bratwurst

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I have about fucking had it with Twitter.

Giphy

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:16:11pm

re: #228 Pawn of the Oppressor

I think it was in the book “The World Without Us” that the author gave a timeframe of about 250,000 years before a microorganism evolved to eat plastic. Maybe that was a pessimistic estimate.

That’s good news for pollution, but for industries that’s like finding out that all your high-tech materials are suddenly only as good as wood for durability. Imagine something rotting your phone…

There was probably already one out there that had a mechanism for breaking down and eating complex hydrocarbon chains. Question is how many adaptions were necessary in order to it to work on PET. And how often the mutation leading to that cropped up. Could be more common than we thought, but it was never of much advantage until the supply of PET “in the wild” increased significantly.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:16:58pm

re: #249 bratwurst

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I have about fucking had it with Twitter.

Wow, that one was really unhinged, even by Twitter standards.

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:18:20pm

re: #265 jaunte

So USS Gerald R. Ford is 13,978,494 semester hours…

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:19:40pm

re: #270 Nyet

I think Texas could send most of its college students through school on what the state gives away in tax incentives for business.

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:20:07pm

re: #269 CuriousLurker

OK, Depends + that tweet could be a parody. Hard to tell these days.

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:23:06pm

Mi him, can de lach, mi him, min en tow. Tak!

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retired cynic  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:28:24pm

re: #273 Nyet

[Embedded content]

Mi him, can de lach, mi him, min en tow. Tak!

I give up. Translation?

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:29:53pm

re: #274 retired cynic

Come to me. Come to Tak, come to the old one, come to the heart of the unformed.

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retired cynic  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:31:46pm

re: #275 Nyet

Zowee. Ok. Back to Arabic….

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:32:27pm

re: #276 retired cynic

Not a Stephen King fan, I see. :P

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retired cynic  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:32:54pm

re: #277 Nyet

Nope, not at all. Sorry!

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:33:03pm

re: #222 Kragar

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BeachDem  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:33:42pm

re: #239 CuriousLurker

That’s weird, like twice in one week, right?

And, as long as you all brought it up again, I just want to say (as I wasn’t here when the original conversation took place) that I do not consider Pat Conroy’s writing empurpled at all. That is all.

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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:34:03pm
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jaunte  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:34:42pm
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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:34:56pm

re: #281 jaunte

The Breitbart Revolution eating its own children.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:35:07pm

re: #47 Belafon

Scalia and Ginsberg were buds. It happens.

Iy’s what can happen when people aren’t compelled to go after the other side in order to placate party activists and motivate their voter base. Supreme Court justices can have cross-ideological friendships of a kind that have become very hard for elected officials.

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Brian J.  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:35:09pm

re: #271 jaunte

I think Texas could send most of its college students through school on what the state gives away in tax incentives for business.

Here in Louisiana, we gave away so many business tax incentives that the state now collects negative revenue from its business tax.

theadvocate.com

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retired cynic  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:37:32pm

re: #284 Dark_Falcon

Iy’s what can happen when people aren’t compelled to go after the other side in order to placate party activists and motivate their voter base. Supreme Court justices can have cross-ideological friendships of a kind that have become very hard for elected officials.

It wasn’t always that way. At least in all cases. I realize there were times when people beat or shot each other. I just keep hoping we can find our better angels, somewhere, somehow.

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Nyet  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:38:54pm

Meanwhile here’s a typical tweet Ben Shapiro has been getting for weeks now.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:41:13pm

Ben Shapiro has resigned from Breitbart.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:42:17pm

re: #284 Dark_Falcon

Iy’s what can happen when people aren’t compelled to go after the other side in order to placate party activists and motivate their voter base. Supreme Court justices can have cross-ideological friendships of a kind that have become very hard for elected officials.

As a minority woman more prone to openly clash with Scalia on racial issues Sonia Sotomajor had a much frostier relationship with the man.

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BeachDem  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:42:39pm

re: #264 bratwurst

This is amazingly chicken shit:

[Embedded content]

Sure Mitt…put your ass on the line by campaigning for a guy in the only state where he is already polling well.

Wonder if they’ll force miners to appear with Mittens like they did before.

When GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney visited an Ohio coal mine this month to promote jobs in the coal industry, workers who appeared with him at the rally lost pay because their mine was shut down.
The Pepper Pike company that owns the Century Mine told workers that attending the Aug. 14 Romney event would be both mandatory and unpaid, a top company official said Monday morning in a West Virginia radio interview.

cleveland.com

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Swift2991  Mar 13, 2016 • 9:55:58pm

For a very chastening experience, Google “electoral maps, 1972 to 2012, and click on the pages of images. Get to work, guys and gals!

When the Bernies disdain Clinton’s Third Way in 1992, think of 1972, the one-term Jimmy Carter, Reagan, then Mondale losing in a landslide, then the Dukakis horror show — and slick Willie did find a way to get some sanity in there. The Republican party hadn’t totally occluded in Breitbartism yet. The Bush Bush again. We all know what happened then. Obama created the new, multi-ethnic coalition, and it has to keep going. What’s left of the Robert Taft Republican Party? Zilch. We have to hold on until they get somebody sane again.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:18:45pm

re: #287 Nyet

Meanwhile here’s a typical tweet Ben Shapiro has been getting for weeks now.

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It figures, and I’d not be surprised if that’s part of what pushed Shapiro away. breitbart.com has decided to court people who see Ben Shapiro as an evil schemer because he is a Jew. Eventually even Ben figured out he no longer really ‘belonged’ there.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:26:58pm

re: #281 jaunte

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WHOA, Shapiro quit? RINO!!

Can’t wait for VB to hear the news, heh.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:29:03pm

re: #287 Nyet

E gad. Shapiro is a hateful little prick, but that’s really ugly.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:38:44pm

re: #292 Dark_Falcon

It figures, and I’d not be surprised if that’s part of what pushed Shapiro away. breitbart.com has decided to court people who see Ben Shapiro as an evil schemer because he is a Jew. Eventually even Ben figured out he no longer really ‘belonged’ there.

It was just a matter of time until Trump’s followers went from misogyny, racism, Islamophobia, and anti-immigrant bigotry to naked antisemitism. I wish I could say I’m shocked, but I saw it coming months ago.

I’m sure most Jews aren’t surprised either, at least not the ones smart enough to know that they were being used and that there’s a certain element that will always consider them to be “other” (no matter how much they assimilate or how much the Christian far-right claims to love them).

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CuriousLurker  Mar 13, 2016 • 10:42:36pm
Alrighty then, I’m outta here…

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