Overnight Podcast: The Bob & Chez Show: Thuggery Stuff

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Tonight’s program on our podcasting affiliate, The Bob & Chez Show:

Thuggery Stuff: Super Tuesday 2: Electric Boogaloo; Democrats Denying Reality; Palin and Trump Don’t Understand the Constitution; Mark Halperin Praises Trump; Here Comes the Trump Army; The Trump Loyalty Oath; Trump Broke the Law for Ben Carson’s Endorsement; and more.

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Targetpractice  Mar 16, 2016 • 9:46:31pm

Whew, the existentialism downstairs was starting to make my brain hurt. Thanks for the new thread, Charles.

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teleskiguy  Mar 16, 2016 • 10:01:30pm

re: #1 Targetpractice

Whew, the existentialism downstairs was starting to make my brain hurt. Thanks for the new thread, Charles.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 16, 2016 • 10:03:16pm

Another great Bob & Chez show that has me convulsing in some badly-needed laughter. Folks, toss some shekels their way so they can hit their Patreon goal!

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 16, 2016 • 10:03:34pm
A British research organization has warned that a Donald Trump presidency could have a dangerous impact on the world economy, increasing the potential of Islamic terror attacks and of a trade war with Mexico and China.

The Economist Intelligence Unit released its updated global risk assessment, ranking the election of Trump a 12 on a scale of one to 25 — the same number it assigned to the possibility that jihadi terrorism would destabilize the global economy.

“His militaristic tendencies towards the Middle East (and ban on all Muslim travel to the U.S.) would be a potent recruitment tool for jihadi groups, increasing their threat both within the region and beyond,” the EIU said.This appeared to be the first time the EIU had rated a presidential candidate’s election as a global risk, the firm told Politico.

The organization ranks risks by impact and probability. A Trump presidency bore high impact, but moderate probability, the EIU said.

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Nyet  Mar 16, 2016 • 10:11:58pm

Not very lively here.

;)

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retired cynic  Mar 16, 2016 • 10:13:05pm

Peaceful.

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Targetpractice  Mar 16, 2016 • 10:13:44pm

re: #5 Nyet

Not very lively here.

;)

Quiet before the storm.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 16, 2016 • 10:13:52pm

re: #5 Nyet

Not very lively here.

;)

13 minutes into St. Patrick’s

Barleyjuice - “Whats Up Yours?”

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teleskiguy  Mar 16, 2016 • 10:14:22pm

re: #5 Nyet

Not very lively here.

;)

re: #6 retired cynic

Peaceful.

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retired cynic  Mar 16, 2016 • 10:15:30pm

re: #9 teleskiguy

Yes, indeed! I could stare at that for an eon or two!

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Targetpractice  Mar 16, 2016 • 10:18:34pm

How do I know the end is drawing nearer for Bernie? The fence-sitters have begun the “We need to heal the party!” talk, that the DNC needs to allow him to bow out with dignity and blow smoke up his ass in order to win over his supporters. His supporters are dousing themselves gasoline and threatening to strike a match unless he’s awarded the nomination, but we’re supposed to believe that if he gets buttered up with a convention speech and some campaign debt relief, they’ll come down off the ledge and throw their support behind Hillary.

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teleskiguy  Mar 16, 2016 • 10:18:43pm

re: #10 retired cynic

I’ve ridden that lift hundreds of times. Pic was taken by my old college buddy who is now a lift mechanic for Crested Butte Mountain Resort.

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Nyet  Mar 16, 2016 • 10:19:59pm

re: #11 Targetpractice

Do I understand correctly that he won’t need campaign debt relief if he stops the campaign now?

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retired cynic  Mar 16, 2016 • 10:20:14pm

re: #12 teleskiguy

It makes a good note for me to head for bed, with my mind full of dreams of crystal mountains! Thanks!

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 16, 2016 • 10:23:11pm

I’ve been playing around with the chronological relationships among various personal and historical events. I think I got the idea from some clickbait site, but it can nevertheless lead to some odd realizations.

For instance:

My birthdate (June 21, 1949) is closer in time to the administration of Benjamin Harrison (which ended March 4th, 1893) than to that of Barack Obama (January 20, 2009).
It was also closer to the final capture of Geronimo (January 6th, 1886) than to the present day.
The sinking of the Titanic was nearly as recent when I was born (37 years 2 months) as the Three Mile Island nuclear accident is today (March 28, 1979).
Someone who was my present age when I born (66) would have been born in 1883, when Chester A. Arthur was president.
People who were still alive when I was born: Winston Churchill, George Bernard Shaw, Josef Stalin, among many others. I missed Orville Wright by just a year.
Incidentally, the first airplane flight was not as far in the past then (45 years, 7 months) as the first Moon landing is today.
Hirohito had already been Emperor of Japan for 23 years by then and would reign another 40. Otoh, King Bhumibol Adulyadej of Thailand had been on the throne for 2 years and remains there to this day.
So far, Obama has been the only President of the United States who was born after I was. With any luck, that will hold up for a few more years, since Hillary Clinton in slightly older than I am, while Ted Cruz is much younger. Unfortunately, Trump is also older.
I don’t feel old most of the time, but I know that I AM old. Sometimes I rather like it, not that there is much choice.

Corrected for bad math.

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austin_blue  Mar 16, 2016 • 10:28:59pm

I have appreciated the discussion on the previous thread on atheism, agnosticism, Deism, and Theism. You couldn’t have that discussion on any other board that I know of on the web without really, really, personal bombs being thrown. This space is wonderful. Goodnight all.

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Targetpractice  Mar 16, 2016 • 10:36:41pm

re: #13 Nyet

Do I understand correctly that he won’t need campaign debt relief if he stops the campaign now?

According to OpenSecrets, he currently has no debt, but the last report was back in December. Considering the reports about how much his campaign burned through for the states that voted Tuesday, I don’t know if he’s gonna be able to walk away debt free.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 16, 2016 • 10:38:46pm

re: #16 austin_blue

I have appreciated the discussion on the previous thread on atheism, agnosticism, Deism, and Theism. You couldn’t have that discussion on any other board that I know of on the web without really, really, personal bombs being thrown. This space is wonderful. Goodnight all.

I’m really a horrible person. Every time someone says something nice like this, I’m always strongly tempted to JOKINGLY respond with something snarky.

But yeah, that’s why I hang around.

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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 16, 2016 • 10:45:34pm

re: #1 Targetpractice

Whew, the existentialism downstairs was starting to make my brain hurt. Thanks for the new thread, Charles.

It’s called ‘Exit Stenchalism’ for a reason.

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BeachDem  Mar 16, 2016 • 10:45:45pm

re: #15 Shiplord Kirel

I’ve been playing around with the chronological relationships among various personal and historical events. I think I got the idea from some clickbait site, but it can nevertheless lead to some odd realizations.

For instance:

My birthdate (June 21, 1949) is closer in time to the administration of Benjamin Harrison (which ended March 4th, 1893) than to that of Barack Obama (January 20, 2009).
It was also closer to the final capture of Geronimo (January 6th, 1886) than to the present day.
The sinking of the Titanic was nearly as recent when I was born (37 years 2 months) as the Three Mile Island nuclear accident is today (March 28, 1979).
Someone who was my present age when I born (66) would have been born in 1883, when Chester A. Arthur was president.
People who were still alive when I was born: Winston Churchill, George Bernard Shaw, Josef Stalin, among many others. I missed Orville Wright by just a year.
Incidentally, the first airplane flight was not as far in the past then (45 years, 7 months) as the first Moon landing is today.
Hirohito had already been Emperor of Japan for 23 years by then and would reign another 40. Otoh, King Bhumibol Adulyadej of Thailand had been on the throne for 2 years and remains there to this day.
So far, Obama has been the only President of the United States who was born after I was. With any luck, that will hold up for a few more years, since Hillary Clinton in slightly older than I am, while Ted Cruz is much younger. Unfortunately, Trump is also older.
I don’t feel old most of the time, but I know that I AM old. Sometimes I rather like it, not that there is much choice.

Corrected for bad math.

I like the concept. I have a book upstairs somewhere (OK—I just went and brought it downstairs)—The Timetables of History—a Horizontal Linkage of People and Events. Who did what concurrently through the ages of man. It goes from prehistoric time up through (wow—guess it’s a pretty old edition) 1978 with categories History and Politics; Literature and Theater; Religion and Philosophy; Visual Arts; Music; Science and Technology: and Daily Life.

It would always come in handy when I was writing fiction and wanted to tie events into the story. I’m sure it’s all online now, because, as I said, this is a 1978 edition. (Damn, I’m old)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 16, 2016 • 10:58:12pm

Bopping around a Chinese website, yinyuetai.com, I came across this singer/pianist, Mariam Araqelyan. I’m going to share it with you from YouTube. Here’s the English and Armenian versions of “We’ve Run Out of Love.”

Mariam Araqelyan - We Run Out Of Love

( DUETRO ) Mariam Araqelyan - Henc Ayn Ore ©

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 16, 2016 • 10:59:26pm

re: #15 Shiplord Kirel

I’ve been playing around with the chronological relationships among various personal and historical events. I think I got the idea from some clickbait site, but it can nevertheless lead to some odd realizations.

For instance:

My birthdate (June 21, 1949) is closer in time to the administration of Benjamin Harrison (which ended March 4th, 1893) than to that of Barack Obama (January 20, 2009).
It was also closer to the final capture of Geronimo (January 6th, 1886) than to the present day.
The sinking of the Titanic was nearly as recent when I was born (37 years 2 months) as the Three Mile Island nuclear accident is today (March 28, 1979).
Someone who was my present age when I born (66) would have been born in 1883, when Chester A. Arthur was president.
People who were still alive when I was born: Winston Churchill, George Bernard Shaw, Josef Stalin, among many others. I missed Orville Wright by just a year.
Incidentally, the first airplane flight was not as far in the past then (45 years, 7 months) as the first Moon landing is today.
Hirohito had already been Emperor of Japan for 23 years by then and would reign another 40. Otoh, King Bhumibol Adulyadej of Thailand had been on the throne for 2 years and remains there to this day.
So far, Obama has been the only President of the United States who was born after I was. With any luck, that will hold up for a few more years, since Hillary Clinton in slightly older than I am, while Ted Cruz is much younger. Unfortunately, Trump is also older.
I don’t feel old most of the time, but I know that I AM old. Sometimes I rather like it, not that there is much choice.

Corrected for bad math.

I’ll betcha E.L. Doctorow did stuff like that for Ragtime and his other novels.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 16, 2016 • 11:16:08pm

re: #15 Shiplord Kirel

I don’t feel old most of the time, but I know that I AM old. Sometimes I rather like it, not that there is much choice.

The first students I taught are now approaching their 50th birthdays. I try not to think about that overly much.

My daughter turned 30 yesterday. She and I are both trying to ignore that fact. ;-)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 16, 2016 • 11:24:05pm

My student Ashlee Swift, who was in a terrible accident in Vegas several days, is in her 20s. I taught her when she was 14-15. The GoFundMe campaign to help her family with her medical expenses is going very well, $8,100 of $10,000 pledged so far.
gofundme.com

Ashlee, her fiancé, their baby, her dad and other family members were in a tour bus that got hit by a drunk driver. Ashlee’s injuries were the most severe, and doctors had to amputate her left arm. She’s doing well, all things considered. Even posting on Facebook.

They were in Vegas to get married.

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Huge Seagull  Mar 16, 2016 • 11:34:42pm

That Trump ad in the previous thread with Hillary barking like a dog put me in mind of this segment from mid-90s sketch show ‘The Dana Carvey Show’:

Video

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Cheechako  Mar 16, 2016 • 11:43:40pm

What happens in the Iditrod when your dogs quit…a loss of over $44,000!!!

Poised for a 3rd-place Iditarod finish, Brent Sass slipped to 20th. Here’s what happened:

Tegan Hanlon
Alaska Dispatch News
March 16, 2016

NOME — Brent Sass tried to keep up with the Seaveys. And for many miles he did.

At some points, Sass led the 1,000-mile 2016 Iditarod Trail Sled Dog Race to Nome. At others, he was sandwiched between the record-setting teams of father-and-son duo Mitch and Dallas Seavey.

But then things went wrong.

When Sass reached White Mountain at 11:40 a.m. Monday, 77 miles from the finish line, he was in third place — just behind the Seaveys. He completed his mandatory eight-hour rest there. And then his team gave up.

Sass’ dogs didn’t want to get up and go again.

“Just mentally, I wore them out. I pushed it a little bit too far,” Sass said. “It’s been a gut-wrenching 24 hours.”

Instead, Sass and his team rested at the White Mountain checkpoint for more than a full day. That cost Sass third place and a $57,750 prize. Eventually, the 36-year-old Yukon Quest champion from Eureka finished in 20th place, winning $13,575.

Some great photos at the link.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2016 • 1:16:35am

re: #23 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The first students I taught are now approaching their 50th birthdays. I try not to think about that overly much.

My daughter turned 30 yesterday. She and I are both trying to ignore that fact. ;-)

I removed my birth date from Facebook so I don’t get flooded with wishes. I observe birthdays, reassess my aspirations and capabilities and then move on.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2016 • 1:17:56am

re: #26 Cheechako

What happens in the Iditrod when your dogs quit…a loss of over $44,000!!!

Poised for a 3rd-place Iditarod finish, Brent Sass slipped to 20th. Here’s what happened:

Tegan Hanlon
Alaska Dispatch News
March 16, 2016

Some great photos at the link.

dit a rod, dit a rod Iditarod, dit a rod, dit a rod Iditarod…wop, wop, oooh!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 17, 2016 • 1:48:18am

re: #28 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

dit a rod, dit a rod Iditarod, dit a rod, dit a rod Iditarod…wop, wop, oooh!

The Beach Boys - I Get Around

But with dog sleds.

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Ming5000  Mar 17, 2016 • 2:00:30am

From Liberalamerica: (original quote came from Newsmax article)
Obama Just Spectacularly Made An A** Of GOP Senator Orrin Hatch

Orrin Hatch

Just the other day, Senator Hatch, who also happens to be a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, remarked thusly about the upcoming announcement of a Justice to replace the late Antonin Scalia:

“The President told me several times he’s going to name a moderate [to fill the court vacancy], but I don’t believe him.

[Obama] could easily name Merrick Garland, who is a fine man. He probably won’t do that because this appointment is about the election. So I’m pretty sure he’ll name someone the [liberal Democratic base] wants.”

The more the Right make statements about their intentions/beliefs, and as those statements get trimmed away by Obama’s acts, the more the Right shows their true colors.

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Ming5000  Mar 17, 2016 • 2:07:04am

Another point about the Right blocking Obama’s responsibility to nominate a Supreme Court Justice, Andrew Bradford makes the case that the Right’s obstruction is not only unconstitutional, it is also stupid.

Also, consider this scenario: Republicans lose majority status in the Senate, Hillary Clinton wins the White House by a huge margin, and can then nominate the most liberal judge she can find, leaving a progressive imprint on the high court for decades to come. At that point, how much will the GOP be kicking themselves for not confirming Judge Garland when they had a chance?

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Targetpractice  Mar 17, 2016 • 2:11:29am

re: #31 Ming5000

Another point about the Right blocking Obama’s responsibility to nominate a Supreme Court Justice, Andrew Bradford makes the case that the Right’s obstruction is not only unconstitutional, it is also stupid.

Embedded Image

That’s why they’ve got the Senators up for reelection out there right now, “breaking ranks” by saying they’ll meet with Garland, but none actually saying they believe he should receive a hearing or vote. They’re also making noises that they’d consider Garland…but only during the lame duck session, something they’ll no doubt yank back if Trump wins.

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Ming5000  Mar 17, 2016 • 2:20:46am

re: #32 Targetpractice

Good point. I forgot the lame duck promise rumor. It was supposedly an attempt to negotiate a palatable nominee. Someone posted earlier the negotiation process. LOL

Edit: Found this from Belafon yesterday:
I suspect it went like this:
Obama: Here’s some names, which ones look promising.
GOP: How about Garland.
Obama presser: Here’s is my nominee, Judge Garland.
GOP: We’re not going to consider him!!!

Another example of how the GOP’s teabagger base has the current GOP in Washington by the short hairs. The GOP, to me, once again was rewarded by extremist behavior by achieving a more central candidate than Obama might have offered in a more collegial atmosphere. Even the Left’s leftward base is up in arms with this nominee.
But are the teabaggers happy? Nope.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 17, 2016 • 2:27:37am

A Shenzhen toilet company is trying to cash in on the Trump brand, without The Donald’s permission.

en.sztrump.net

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 17, 2016 • 2:34:22am

The Real Trump would probably approve of this news. A Chinese journalist published an “open letter” to President Xi Jinping, demanding he resign. Said journalist has conveniently disappeared and the open letter and all references to it have been systematically scrubbed from sites accessible to Chinese netizens.

shanghaiist.com

washingtonpost.com

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Ming5000  Mar 17, 2016 • 2:43:49am

re: #35 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I have been hearing concerned comments from China about Xi Jinping’s clamping down on freedoms and fostering a personality cult. Seems troubling.
Xi Jinping uses “traditional culture” to launch a new Cultural Revolution

Accompanying Xi’s consolidation of power, his influence over the cultural, spiritual and personal lives of his countrymen has greatly expanded. Unlike his predecessors, Jiang Zemin and Hu Jintao, who were products of compromise—technocrats with limited power—Xi has the political capital to take center stage in way no leader has in a generation. Given these developments, the possibility cannot be ruled out that Xi might, in the footsteps of Mao, unleash an ideological movement somewhat akin to the Cultural Revolution so as to impose uniformity of thinking and further consolidate his power.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 17, 2016 • 2:58:16am

re: #36 Ming5000

I have been hearing concerned comments from China about Xi Jinping’s clamping down on freedoms and fostering a personality cult. Seems troubling.
Xi Jinping uses “traditional culture” to launch a new Cultural Revolution

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There are signs of a more conservative, nationalist government under Xi. He’s used his anti-corruption campaign to sideline some of his likely opponents. University professors have been advised not to teach about democracy and “universal values.” He recently visited media outlets to remind journalists that they serve the Party. He’s cited “Western influences” as the reasons for dissent and unrest in the country. And there’s every indication that the mainland government intends to renege on its hands-off policy regarding Hong Kong, to enforce Party hegemony and a “harmonious society.”

I don’t know if we’re looking at a new Cultural Revolution, though. The Party leaders — even Xi — have to walk a fine line between tight social and political control and keeping a complacent population happy. The economy is the fuse that could light a powderkeg if it goes sour. But so could a sudden crackdown on quelling free speech or monitoring the Internet. People here are already grumbling about the sudden, inexplicable elimination of American TV shows and movies, and limits on the number of Western films that appear in the cinemas. And, the sudden disappearance on the Internet of prolific writers like Jia Jia, the guy who just vanished a few days ago.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2016 • 3:00:56am

re: #37 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

There are signs of a more conservative, nationalist government under Xi. He’s used his anti-corruption campaign to sideline some of his likely opponents. University professors have been advised not to teach about democracy and “universal values.” He recently visited media outlets to remind journalists that they serve the Party. He’s cited “Western influences” as the reasons for dissent and unrest in the country. And there’s every indication that the mainland government intends to renege on its hands-off policy regarding Hong Kong, to enforce Party hegemony and a “harmonious society.”

I also read about the “social media rating”, which is also a credit rating, and how this can be negatively affected by unsavory political activities or simply expressing undesired opinions.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 17, 2016 • 3:19:56am

re: #38 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I also read about the “social media rating”, which is also a credit rating, and how this can be negatively affected by unsavory political activities or simply expressing undesired opinions.

Oh, yeah, it exists. The government also pays people to troll the Internet with the official party line. They are called “wumao” (50 centers, or the 50 cent army), because they supposedly are paid half a yuan for every post they make.

The article Ming5000 links to mentions “field trips” for college students to the countryside have become more common since Xi took office. I can attest to that. One of my students, who comes from Inner Mongolia, spent the summer teaching in a rural county here in Hunan as part of a state-organized volunteer (with stipend) activity. Members of the Student Union (government) and Youth Party have also spent some time volunteering at rural schools, and I believe there is also a special program for graduates to teach in Tibet — to educate but also to help assimilation of Tibetans to mainstream Han culture. “Harmonization” is the more cynical term in Chinese — it means elimination of unrest.

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Targetpractice  Mar 17, 2016 • 3:28:33am

Well, reading through the Fark political threads concerning the Dem race have been…informative. A lot of Bernie fans coming around to realizing that the game is pretty much over when his campaign’s talking about courting superdelegates and dreaming up fanciful scenarios where he could win enough of them over in a close convention fight to take the nomination.

But too many still insisting they’re either not going to vote or going to vote Trump in a “that’ll show you!” tantrum for my tastes.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2016 • 3:30:28am

re: #39 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

“Harmonization” is the more cynical term in Chinese — it means elimination of unrest.

American culture would be a lot more “harmonious” if certain groups knew their place in society and did aspire beyond it.

/

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 17, 2016 • 3:44:24am

re: #41 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

American culture would be a lot more “harmonious” if certain groups knew their place in society and did aspire beyond it.

/

The Communist Party has long pushed a very focused version of Confucianism, which values obedience and respect to elders, leaders, parents, and teachers. It also conveniently inculcates in the populace a kind of reverence for the Supreme Leader, and his minions. It’s sad that the revolution which ended forever any chance of a Chinese hereditary emperor regaining the throne merely substituted an oligarchy with powers identical to the emperor. New boss, same as the old boss.

The parallel to that in the USA is the religious right and the white supremacists, who want a harmonious society where everyone who is not male, straight, white and Christian just shuts up and follows orders.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2016 • 3:54:29am

re: #42 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The parallel to that in the USA is the religious right and the white supremacists, who want a harmonious society where everyone who is not male, straight, white and Christian just shuts up and follows orders.

Because the wealthy are seen as being blessed by God: an outer sign of inner grace.

And when we look at a billionaire like Donald Trump, all we see is an expression of his inner grace, right?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 17, 2016 • 3:55:30am

re: #43 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Because the wealthy are seen as being blessed by God: an outer sign of inner grace.

And when we look at a billionaire like Donald Trump, all we see is an expression of his inner grace, right?

Inner something, anyway.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2016 • 3:57:53am

re: #44 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Inner something, anyway.

Just like finger size is an outward indicator of touser-hidden manliness

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steve_davis  Mar 17, 2016 • 3:59:34am

re: #23 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The first students I taught are now approaching their 50th birthdays. I try not to think about that overly much.

My daughter turned 30 yesterday. She and I are both trying to ignore that fact. ;-)

same here. the first classes I taught were as a graduate student, and the kids were maybe 4 years younger than I. So they’re approaching 50. I think I tried counting it up at some point and determined I’d taught roughly 3,000 students by this point.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Mar 17, 2016 • 4:03:09am

re: #40 Targetpractice

But too many still insisting they’re either not going to vote or going to vote Trump in a “that’ll show you!” tantrum for my tastes.

Better to have their temper tantrums now rather than in October. They’ll (hopefully) have time to get over their insta-rage and calm down and start to think logically. I do realize that for some, that will not happen, but many will, I think.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2016 • 4:12:37am

re: #47 Le Lapin Tueur

Better to have their temper tantrums now rather than in October. They’ll (hopefully) have time to get over their insta-rage and calm down and start to think logically. I do realize that for some, that will not happen, but many will, I think.

I think that Hillary will have to devote some of her message to winning those folks back over.

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William Lewis  Mar 17, 2016 • 4:14:02am

re: #42 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I have referred to the Mao Dynasty more than once for these reasons.

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Ming5000  Mar 17, 2016 • 4:16:35am

re: #48 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I think that Hillary will have to devote some of her message to winning those folks back over.

Took a quick peak at DailyKOS. The Bern seemed relatively calm. One article about Tuesday’s results had a few Bernimentum comments but more push back from reasonable people. Should help to calm the Berniacs over time. I hope.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 17, 2016 • 4:18:05am

re: #49 William Lewis

I have referred to the Mao Dynasty more than once for these reasons.

I’d suggest Mao followed by Deng Dynasty. Deng XiaoPing undid a lot of Mao’s original policies.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 17, 2016 • 4:20:08am

For fuck’s sake, Steve Schmidt on MSNBC tried to claim Obama and Hillary’s foreign policies have failed and he highlights their removal of the Churchill bust as proof. It’s not like they even try any longer.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 17, 2016 • 4:23:14am

re: #52 Dr. Matt

For fuck’s sake, Steve Schmidt on MSNBC tried to claim Obama and Hillary’s foreign policies have failed and he highlights their removal of the Churchill bust as proof. It’s not like they even try any longer.

Brainless. Even if the bust hasn’t been on loan to the WH, its removal is a tiny, itty bitty blip on the foreign policy front. It’s not like we had to give up the Virgin Islands, or Block Island.

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William Lewis  Mar 17, 2016 • 4:25:50am

re: #51 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Hmm. Interesting thought. Like Qin to Han dynasties?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2016 • 4:26:37am

re: #53 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Brainless. Even if the bust hasn’t been on loan to the WH, its removal is a tiny, itty bitty blip on the foreign policy front. It’s not like we had to give up the Virgin Islands, or Block Island.

A man who stood up to tyranny…and also advocated using poison gas on colonial subjects…

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Ming5000  Mar 17, 2016 • 4:30:19am

re: #52 Dr. Matt

For fuck’s sake, Steve Schmidt on MSNBC tried to claim Obama and Hillary’s foreign policies have failed and he highlights their removal of the Churchill bust as proof. It’s not like they even try any longer.

Obama and Hillary’s? Did I miss her last Presidency?
BTW, here is a good little article about who makes American foreign policy. It comes from the Heritage Foundation. I know, be sceptical, but those folks brought us the framework of the ACA, so they have their sane moments.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 17, 2016 • 4:30:36am

re: #55 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

A man who stood up to tyranny…and also advocated using poison gas on colonial subjects…

Churchill was a complex character. But every historian I’ve read has noted Churchill’s realization early on that Hitler was going to be a major problem, and that Britain should modernize its navy and military — pronto.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 17, 2016 • 4:31:50am

re: #53 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Brainless. Even if the bust hasn’t been on loan to the WH, its removal is a tiny, itty bitty blip on the foreign policy front. It’s not like we had to give up the Virgin Islands, or Block Island.

The so-called “moderate” Republicans are already carrying Trump’s water. Dipshit Schmidt also claimed that our standing on the world stage has been destroyed and that America has failed globally under Clinton. SMH

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Dr. Matt  Mar 17, 2016 • 4:35:13am

re: #56 Ming5000

Obama and Hillary’s? Did I miss her last Presidency?
B.

He was desperately trying to make the point that she was the most disastrous SoS ever and the entire world went to hell during her tenure as such. He needs to google Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice. He must have been asleep for 8 years.

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Nojay UK  Mar 17, 2016 • 4:36:39am

re: #53 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Brainless. Even if the bust hasn’t been on loan to the WH, its removal is a tiny, itty bitty blip on the foreign policy front. It’s not like we had to give up the Virgin Islands, or Block Island.

Or Diego Garcia (aka USS Unsinkable) which is still part of the British Empire only because the US told us not to give it back to the original inhabitants after WWII.

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Ming5000  Mar 17, 2016 • 4:37:23am

re: #59 Dr. Matt

I know. ~sigh~ I guess he was smart enough not to do the “Benghazi, Benghazi!” thing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2016 • 4:37:55am

re: #57 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Churchill was a complex character. But every historian I’ve read has noted Churchill’s realization early on that Hitler was going to be a major problem, and that Britain should modernize its navy and military — pronto.

I read the diaries of Churchill’s Chief of Staff, Lord Alanbrooke, and he also gave some interesting insights. Good thing that Churchill was not an absolute leader like Hitler: he was just as prone to crazy ideas, but had people like Alanbrooke and Marshall to filter out the brilliant ones and sideline the rest.

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sagehen  Mar 17, 2016 • 4:48:26am

re: #52 Dr. Matt

For fuck’s sake, Steve Schmidt on MSNBC tried to claim Obama and Hillary’s foreign policies have failed and he highlights their removal of the Churchill bust as proof. It’s not like they even try any longer.

The British? Steve thinks the UK doesn’t like Obama and Hillary? This would be the same UK that a couple of months ago their Parliament held an all-day debate on whether or not Donald Trump should be banned from the country because they’re so offended by things he says?

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Kent Dorfman  Mar 17, 2016 • 4:53:05am

What’s really in the disturbingly green McDonald’s Shamrock Shake?

Today the Shamrock Shake has four main ingredients: vanilla soft serve ice cream McDonald’s uses in all shakes, Shamrock Shake Syrup (which contains dyes and artificial flavoring), whipped cream and a maraschino cherry. It may be delicious but it probably shouldn’t be consumed every day. A medium is 660 calories—which is more than a Big Mac.

Happy St. Patrick’s Day!

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 17, 2016 • 4:58:05am

re: #31 Ming5000

Another point about the Right blocking Obama’s responsibility to nominate a Supreme Court Justice, Andrew Bradford makes the case that the Right’s obstruction is not only unconstitutional, it is also stupid.

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That is why I think they may confirm Garland during the lame duck session after the election.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2016 • 5:04:12am

re: #64 Kent Dorfman

What’s really in the disturbingly green McDonald’s Shamrock Shake?

Happy St. Patrick’s Day!

It may be delicious but it probably shouldn’t be consumed every day. A medium is 660 calories—which is more than a Big Mac.

If people are too stupid to realize that MickeyD should not be consumed every day, then that is their own problem. We cannot ban or restrict everything that is bad for us.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 17, 2016 • 5:04:52am

Andrew Wiles of the UK has been awarded the Abel Prize for his proof of Fermat’s Last Theorem. abelprize.no

It was announced on the 15th, so maybe someone has posted it already.

Fermat’s Last Theorem of 1637 states that no three positive integers a, b, and c satisfy the equation an + bn = cn for any integer value of n greater than two. Fermat made a note in a margin of a book saying he had a proof of the theorem, but he died before he could publish it.

Wiles drew on the work of other mathematicians, but his particular insights in the mid-1990s were remarkable in their own right. The Abel Prize is like the mathematicians’ Nobel Prize.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2016 • 5:05:04am

re: #65 Big Beautiful Door

That is why I think they may confirm Garland during the lame duck session after the election.

What if Obama withdraws the nomination? (just asking, dunno if that is even possible)

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Kent Dorfman  Mar 17, 2016 • 5:10:30am

We should refer to President Obama’s pick to the Supreme Court as Judge Garland. Just writing Garland makes me think of red ruby slippers and the Wizard of Oz.

Wizard of OZ Witch’s Castle

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Joe Bacon  Mar 17, 2016 • 5:11:50am

re: #42 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The Communist Party has long pushed a very focused version of Confucianism, which values obedience and respect to elders, leaders, parents, and teachers. It also conveniently inculcates in the populace a kind of reverence for the Supreme Leader, and his minions. It’s sad that the revolution which ended forever any chance of a Chinese hereditary emperor regaining the throne merely substituted an oligarchy with powers identical to the emperor. New boss, same as the old boss.

The parallel to that in the USA is the religious right and the white supremacists, who want a harmonious society where everyone who is not male, straight, white and Christian just shuts up and follows orders.

You’re absolutely correct! The Religious Right in America acts and behaves exactly the same as the Chinese Communist Party.

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Bubblehead II  Mar 17, 2016 • 5:15:28am

Don’t know if this has been posted yet or not but,

5 Deputies Disciplined Following Trump Rally Where Protester Was Sucker-Punched

Three deputies were demoted in rank and each were suspended for five days without pay, while two other deputies were suspended for three days without pay “for unsatisfactory performance and the failure to discharge their duties,” the Cumberland County Sheriff’s Office said in a statement.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2016 • 5:15:41am

re: #34 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

A Shenzhen toilet company is trying to cash in on the Trump brand, without The Donald’s permission.

en.sztrump.net

There’s a tidy side job for you, Englishizing their English text.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2016 • 5:40:56am

Good St Patrick’s Day, all. A native welcoming song for Ronald Reagan’s visit to Ireland:

Christy Moore - Hey! Ronnie Reagan

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Franklin  Mar 17, 2016 • 5:50:19am

re: #73 Decatur Deb

Good St Patrick’s Day, all. A native welcoming song for Ronald Reagan’s visit to Ireland:

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Video

I am googling about and can’t prove it, but that sure looks like Whitey Bulger’s brother Billy in the background of that picture. He was the President of the MA Senate during that time and certainly made regular trips to Ireland.

Edit: Just wanted to add that I have no idea where that picture was taken.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 17, 2016 • 5:52:19am

re: #72 Decatur Deb

There’s a tidy side job for you, Englishizing their English text.

As if anyone would think of such a thing. I swear no one with an English website or product manual ever considers having them proofread or edited by an English speaker.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2016 • 5:54:36am

re: #74 Franklin

Don’t know why they used that photo, just illustrating the general mopery of that bunch, I guess. There was a state visit of the Queen to Dublin when I was a child, first time I heard the phrase “Irish confetti”.

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Franklin  Mar 17, 2016 • 5:55:21am

re: #76 Decatur Deb

Don’t know why they used that photo, just illustrating the general mopery of that bunch, I guess. There was a state visit of the Queen to Dublin when I was a child, first time I heard the phrase “Irish confetti”.

Yeah, after I posted I realized that wasn’t taken in Ireland. That sure looks like Billy Bulger though!

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 5:55:34am
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Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2016 • 5:57:52am

re: #75 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

As if anyone would think of such a thing. I swear no one with an English website or product manual ever considers having them proofread or edited by an English speaker.

Daughter1 has an editing service, got to translate the translation of a Italian NGOs webpage on saving Florence from destructive forms of tourism.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 5:59:41am

Zedushka’s grandmother was born in Ireland. How did that even happen? He always assumed that she was Palestinian since she married Z’s grandfather in the Holy Land.

The family legend is that they set out for America but couldn’t afford the ticket, so bought tickets to the last stop before America which was Ireland, hoping to earn enough to pay for their passage to America. They lived in Ireland for a while but then returned to the Holy Land (although some brothers stayed in Belfast where their descendants live to this day)

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Franklin  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:00:51am

Probably posted overnight/nesterday, but interesting:

Trump and Nonwhite Names

He analyzes a comment made by David Wasserman:

If Donald Trump somehow falls three delegates short of reaching the magic 1,237 delegates needed for the Republican nomination, he may be haunted by an obscure outcome from the primary voting in Illinois on Tuesday. There’s clear evidence that Trump supporters in Illinois gave fewer votes to Trump-pledged delegate candidates who have minority or foreign-sounding names like “Sadiq,” “Fakroddin” and “Uribe,” potentially costing him three of the state’s 69 delegates. This pattern appears to be a phenomenon unique to Trump’s supporters.

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Belafon  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:01:41am

re: #62 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I read the diaries of Churchill’s Chief of Staff, Lord Alanbrooke, and he also gave some interesting insights. Good thing that Churchill was not an absolute leader like Hitler: he was just as prone to crazy ideas, but had people like Alanbrooke and Marshall to filter out the brilliant ones and sideline the rest.

And he was smart enough to listen to them say “not a good idea.”

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Le Lapin Tueur  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:02:40am

re: #75 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

As if anyone would think of such a thing. I swear no one with an English website or product manual ever considers having them proofread or edited by an English speaker.

I read manuals and sometimes think “they did this on purpose, right? Right?”

A lot of reef tank equipment in German, they manage to translate (admittedly, Romance language) But, Chinese, not so good. The Japanese just leave it in Romanji and only translate the warnings “don’t drink the Xylol or MEK, bad things happen”

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Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:04:25am

re: #80 The Vicious Babushka

Zedushka’s grandmother was born in Ireland. How did that even happen? He always assumed that she was Palestinian since she married Z’s grandfather in the Holy Land.

The family legend is that they set out for America but couldn’t afford the ticket, so bought tickets to the last stop before America which was Ireland, hoping to earn enough to pay for their passage to America. They lived in Ireland for a while but then returned to the Holy Land (although some brothers stayed in Belfast where their descendants live to this day)

The expeditier who organized our move to Ra’anana was an Israeli from Dublin. Had a beautiful accent. There must be a wild, maybe scary, history of the Jews in Ireland.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:04:55am

re: #79 Decatur Deb

Daughter1 has an editing service, got to translate the translation of a Italian NGOs webpage on saving Florence from destructive forms of tourism.

Too late for Père Lachaise. I heartily approve of stopping people from being assholes at tourist sites.

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Alyosha  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:06:22am
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:07:42am

re: #84 Decatur Deb

The expeditier who organized our move to Ra’anana was an Israeli from Dublin. Had a beautiful accent. There must be a wild, maybe scary, history of the Jews in Ireland.

The Jewish community is small but very close-knit and everyone knows everyone else. One of Z’s Philly cousins married an Irish girl. The family freaked out thinking Catholic oy vey! but she turned out to be member of the same temple that Z’s Irish cousins attended.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:08:40am

re: #86 Alyosha

Am I the only person who see’s the name “Frank Gaffney” and reads “Frank Underwood”?

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Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:09:25am

re: #85 Le Lapin Tueur

Too late for Père Lachaise. I heartily approve of stopping people from being assholes at tourist sites.

voices.nationalgeographic.com

Now Daughter can say she was in the hire of the Medicis.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:10:03am

MOAR BUTTHURT

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:12:33am

Um no, they are better at math than you are.

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Alyosha  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:15:33am

re: #88 Le Lapin Tueur

Am I the only person who see’s the name “Frank Gaffney” and reads “Frank Underwood”?

I’m sure they both sing ‘Dixie’.
Just caught up with the thread, now I gotta crash.
*sad trombone*

Stay crazy, Yankees.
But not crazy-crazy.

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Franklin  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:17:46am

re: #90 The Vicious Babushka

MOAR BUTTHURT

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re: #91 The Vicious Babushka

Um no, they are better at math than you are.

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He sure tweets about it a lot for someone that doesn’t care.

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Franklin  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:18:29am
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Le Lapin Tueur  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:21:58am

re: #90 The Vicious Babushka

Apologize for what? And, who gives a flying rats ass about absolute number comparisons in a primary. Idiot.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:23:45am

Says he doesn’t care, but he’s going to bitch about it all day long.

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Great White Snark  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:25:47am

Oh no. On top of the human costs, have any of you ever faced the costs of a proper cleaning of an asbestos or heavy metal site? Homeowners get hit with this with old asbestos or lead paint. It’s extra aggravating to see instances of the government via some agency cheat. When a cleanup or water issue is on us as homeowners, small biz /small mfg operators we pay and pay for an extra careful procedure and extra careful paperwork to prove when how and who.

U.S. Attorney Investigating Elevated Blood-Lead Levels in New York City’s Public Housing

According to court documents filed Wednesday, federal prosecutors in Manhattan are currently investigating environmental health and safety conditions, including “elevated blood-lead levels,” in public housing buildings maintained by the New York City Housing Authority.

The fact that the Department of Justice is investigating blood-lead levels in NYCHA housing was disclosed in a letter from the office of Preet Bharara, the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, to Judge Deborah A. Batts, requesting a court order compelling the city’s Department of Health and Mental Hygiene to share information and documents with prosecutors in response to a “civil investigative demand.”

The health department is “cooperating with the investigation,” a spokesman for the city’s Law Department, Nick Paolucci, told the New York Times on Wednesday night. Even so, DHMH can’t comply with the U.S. attorney’s request without a court order—thus the need for a letter from the judge.

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Danack  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:27:37am

re: #90 The Vicious Babushka

MOAR BUTTHURT

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This is what is going to be interesting…..Trump has been ‘fighting’ against other Republicans and the press, neither of which want to be seen to be in open opposition to him, and so he’s been able to ‘win’ arguments by asking the other people to back down.

In the general election Democrats should be defining themselves as against Trump…. if he is the Republican nominee he is going to be in a constant state of butt-hurt for months on end.

Hopefully the Democrats will realise that responding to Trump is a good way to play his game, and lose. If instead they just release a constant stream of adverts that mock him, he’s going to lose his shit constantly, quickly become (more of) an object of ridicule.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:28:53am

re: #96 The Vicious Babushka

Hills will eat him for lunch in a real debate. But, she will need to learn some proper deflection/redirection skills. Outright debating with him is useless. He is an idiot who has no clue about either domestic or foreign policy, so he will use ad homs and irrelevant non-sequitors and his carny barking skills

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:28:53am

Getting the traditional corned beef and stuff ready to put in the crockpot.
I made the mistake of reading the nutrition info on the corned beef package: 990 mg of sodium per 4 ounce serving.
It’s a 3.5 pound chunk of brisket…

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Great White Snark  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:32:20am

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

D_L does this every year and a couple friends show up for it every time.Good times.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:37:52am

You built this, Baby Whiplash! Enjoy the fruits of your labor.

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makeitstop  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:38:48am

re: #88 Le Lapin Tueur

Am I the only person who see’s the name “Frank Gaffney” and reads “Frank Underwood”?

I see the name ‘Frank Gaffney’ and read ‘Bugfuck Crazy Bearded Dude.’

‘Morning, Lizards,

I’m semi-patiently waiting for USPS to drop off a box of guitar parts. I was able to trade a relatively cheap Fender Stratocaster for a Paul Reed Smith guitar over the weekend. The PRS was (badly) modded and is missing one pickup and all its wiring, so I was able to make a nice trade up.

I’m hoping the parts arrive early enough for me to get the parts installed and wired up in time for a show I’ve got to play out in Brooklyn tonight. I swear, when I’m waiting for guitar-related stuff to arrive, I behave just like my dog - standing and looking out the window toward the street, waiting for the truck to pull up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:39:23am

Fun with words:

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:42:15am

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fun with words:

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Shenanigans
Brouhaha
Donnybrook

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:42:43am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:43:18am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:46:40am

AMARILLO, TX (KFDA) - Bumble Bee Foods is recalling more than 31,000 cases of canned tuna after possible contamination.

The company says they have made changes in their commercial sterilization process that could result in a contaminated product, which is why they have decided to proceed with caution.

There have been no reports of illness and only cases produced in February of this year are affected.

The can codes start with the letter “T” and have a “Best if Used By” date of February 10th and February 29th of 2019.

Cans to watch for are 5 oz. cans of Chunk Light Tuna in Water, 5 oz. cans of Chunk Light Tuna in Oil and 4 packs of 5 oz. Chunk Light Tuna in Water.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:48:29am

re: #102 The Vicious Babushka

You built this, Baby Whiplash! Enjoy the fruits of your labor.

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if you read ben’s article here, you can see what a never-neverland of imaginary philosophical positions “conservatives” dwell in. yet again we are told that liberals are against freedom and personal responsibility, and that conservatives are against using government power to compel citizens to bend to their will

he is right about one thing, though: trump blows up all his pretty dreams

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:49:49am

obvious observation is obvious…

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Timothy Watson  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:50:46am
“I really believe the Legislature needs to take a strong look at allowing law enforcement to do their job and not try to dictate what we need to do. I think they’re trying to help, I really do,” Bingham County Sheriff Craig Rowland said. “They need to let us decide if we’re going to send the kit and when we send the kits in. Because the majority of our rapes, not to say that we don’t have rapes, we do, but the majority of our rapes that are called in, are actually consensual sex.

localnews8.com

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Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:53:45am

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sent me checking—ours was not in the suspect lot.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:56:36am

re: #102 The Vicious Babushka

He’s not fooling anyone. Come November he will vote for Trump.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Mar 17, 2016 • 6:57:36am

re: #112 Decatur Deb

Retort failure is not quite as unusual in commercial canning as it should be.

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ObserverArt  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:02:03am

re: #103 makeitstop

I see the name ‘Frank Gaffney’ and read ‘Bugfuck Crazy Bearded Dude.’

‘Morning, Lizards,

I’m semi-patiently waiting for USPS to drop off a box of guitar parts. I was able to trade a relatively cheap Fender Stratocaster for a Paul Reed Smith guitar over the weekend. The PRS was (badly) modded and is missing one pickup and all its wiring, so I was able to make a nice trade up.

I’m hoping the parts arrive early enough for me to get the parts installed and wired up in time for a show I’ve got to play out in Brooklyn tonight. I swear, when I’m waiting for guitar-related stuff to arrive, I behave just like my dog - standing and looking out the window toward the street, waiting for the truck to pull up.

Do you start to bark and go to all the windows facing the street 2 minutes before the truck arrives because you can hear it two blocks away?

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Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:05:13am

re: #114 Le Lapin Tueur

That sent me back to edit. Ours was “out of”, meaning “not in the lot.” And yeah, the food supply is all about statistics, lawyers and profit just like everything else.

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makeitstop  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:06:33am

re: #115 ObserverArt

Do you start to bark and go to all the windows facing the street 2 minutes before the truck arrives because you can hear it two blocks away?

Yes, and then I wag my tail uncontrollably until the box is dropped off on my porch.

Only half-joking. In reality, I’ll be walking into the living room every ten minutes to make sure the mail woman didn’t sneak up on me while I wasn’t paying attention.

Seriously. I wonder about my own sanity some days.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:09:01am

re: #115 ObserverArt

Do you start to bark and go to all the windows facing the street 2 minutes before the truck arrives because you can hear it two blocks away?

I feel his pain. Our riding mower is in the garage waiting for the nice man with a carburettor. (Carburettor rebuild kit—$50, brand new OEM carb—$65.)

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KerFuFFler  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:14:04am

re: #105 The Vicious Babushka

Shenanigans
Brouhaha
Donnybrook

This is the origin for brouhaha that I remember seeing suggested. The idea is that since Jewish prayers at services are not read in unison there is a noisy, garbled din with the phrase “barukh….” popping out here and there. An interesting thought but not universally endorsed.

A brouhaha, from French brouhaha (possibly from a corruption of Hebrew בָּרוּךְ הַבָּא; barúkh habá, “welcome”, literally “blessed is he who comes”),

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:14:55am

Crockpot is filled and doing its thing for the next 8 hours.
Now, to make the soda bread. Should have done that last night, but got distracted…

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:18:48am

re: #119 KerFuFFler

This is the origin for brouhaha that I remember seeing suggested. The idea is that since Jewish prayers at services are not read in unison there is a noisy, garbled din with the phrase “barukh….” popping out here and there. An interesting thought but not universally endorsed.

A brouhaha, from French brouhaha (possibly from a corruption of Hebrew בָּרוּךְ הַבָּא; barúkh habá, “welcome”, literally “blessed is he who comes”),

I did not know that. Thanks.

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Tigger2  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:23:26am

Hope this doesn’t turn out to be a Geraldo Rivera moment.

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iossarian  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:24:50am

re: #16 austin_blue

I have appreciated the discussion on the previous thread on atheism, agnosticism, Deism, and Theism. You couldn’t have that discussion on any other board that I know of on the web without really, really, personal bombs being thrown. This space is wonderful. Goodnight all.

There’s Maoism,
Daoism,
I-Ching and Chess.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:24:55am

Daughter email-forwarded this:

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Kent Dorfman  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:25:09am
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iossarian  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:25:48am

re: #119 KerFuFFler

This is the origin for brouhaha that I remember seeing suggested. The idea is that since Jewish prayers at services are not read in unison there is a noisy, garbled din with the phrase “barukh….” popping out here and there. An interesting thought but not universally endorsed.

A brouhaha, from French brouhaha (possibly from a corruption of Hebrew בָּרוּךְ הַבָּא; barúkh habá, “welcome”, literally “blessed is he who comes”),

An interesting counterpart to hocus-pocus.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:27:35am
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The Engineer Lobuno  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:28:36am

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sorry, Reid. They pawn it off a long time ago, along with their souls.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:28:40am
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sagehen  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:29:12am
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makeitstop  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:29:16am

re: #123 iossarian

There’s Maoism,
Daoism,
I-Ching and Chess.

As the sun rises in the east
As the wind blows the fog across the sea
As the hand of Man creeps across the face of the world
Caught in a web of glamours
Persian perfume and oriental eyes
Yogi in knots and Sufi wise
Master sublime and swami high
Through in some Voodoo on the side
And a dash of the old Kung Fu

Lord you got me strung out on eastern intrigue
Chapter six and verse eleven
If you want to get to heaven
You’ve got to ask the Man who owns the Property
Ya gotta dance your dance and do your act
And get His Big Attention that’s a natural born fact
I’m on my knees, one question please
Will the real God please stand up?

Jesus and Moses, Mohammed, and Sri Krishna
Steiner, Gurdjief, Blavatsky, and Bhudda
Guru Maharaji, Reverend Sun Myung Moon

On the banks of the Holy Nile
As the palm tree sways at the base of the sphinx
‘Neath a crescent desert moon many thousands younger than ours
In fact, forget about time completely
Think of it in the abstract please
Think of the swaying tropic trees
One of your many destinies
Like having a hot peyote tea
In the palace of Fu Manchu

Lord you got me strung out on eastern intrigue
Sell your wife and pawn your heater
Buy the new Bhagavad Gita
Do the pranayama ‘til your spine gets sore
I’ll tell you for free ‘cause God told me
We checked it with the Pope and so we all agree
I’m on my knees, one question please
Will the real God please sit down?

Todd Rundgren

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Bubblehead II  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:29:42am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:29:52am
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Le Lapin Tueur  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:30:06am

re: #126 iossarian

An interesting counterpart to hocus-pocus.

Cummon, you can’t say that and not give etymology.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:30:24am

re: #132 Bubblehead II

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Harry is on a twitter tear this morning!

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Bubblehead II  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:31:43am

He’s was being live tweeted.

Senator Reid on Donald Trump, the GOP, and the Future of American Politics

And it’s over. Q & A time now

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:32:45am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:33:51am
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:33:56am

Because, it’s garbage men with with bagpipes. What more could you ask for on a Thursday morning?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:37:11am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:38:24am
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makeitstop  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:38:52am

Here’s that asinine bit of Dennis Miller trolling that’s all over Berniacs’ timelines this morning.

I keep having to remind them that Miller has never been a friend of progressives. Ever.

I’m getting a lot of ‘Well, I never agree with him, but he’s right in this instance.’

S.M.M.F.H.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:39:26am
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Belafon  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:40:58am

re: #142 makeitstop

Here’s that asinine bit of Dennis Miller trolling that’s all over Berniacs’ timelines this morning.

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I keep having to remind them that Miller has never been a friend of progressives. Ever.

I’m getting a lot of ‘Well, I never agree with him, but he’s right in this instance.’

S.M.M.F.H.

“If you want the superdelegates to count for Sanders, then you have to allow them to count for Clinton. If you want to ignore the superdelegates, like you originally said, she’s farther ahead of Sanders at this time than Obama was ahead of her.”

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nines09  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:41:56am

re: #138 Backwoods_Sleuth

Get in line behind Hulk Hogan and Gary Busey.

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Belafon  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:42:12am

re: #144 Belafon

Also, if I had four fingers on one hand, but still had ten fingers, then I must have six on the other hand.

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makeitstop  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:44:54am

re: #144 Belafon

“If you want the superdelegates to count for Sanders, then you have to allow them to count for Clinton. If you want to ignore the superdelegates, like you originally said, she’s farther ahead of Sanders at this time than Obama was ahead of her.”

He actually thinks he’s making a smart point by saying if Bernie had more superdeleagtes than Hillary, he’d be winning.

Duh.

And Berniebros are reacting like it’s some kind of received wisdom from the Oracle.

They are making me laugh my rueful laugh today.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:45:31am
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:48:23am

FOOKIN IDJIT==>

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Belafon  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:51:39am

re: #148 The Vicious Babushka

Holding a vote would be advising. Not holding a vote is not doing their jobs.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:54:21am

They can’t even work with themselves…

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Le Lapin Tueur  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:54:27am

re: #149 The Vicious Babushka

(R)s need to recognize that this hill is most likely a poor hill to die on.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:56:19am

re: #149 The Vicious Babushka

FOOKIN IDJIT==>

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Love it when you talk Irish.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:58:35am

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bwaaaa haaaa haaaa haaaa. tRump doesn’t ‘work’ with people, he dictates. And, that is why he will be unable to function with a cabinet or the congress.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:59:06am

re: #153 Decatur Deb

Love it when you talk Irish.

Well I married the grandson of an Erinnach (Irish person) :)

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Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2016 • 7:59:43am
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:01:24am

FOOKIN IDJIT ==>

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:01:48am

re: #149 The Vicious Babushka

I tweeted a reply. He’ll fume and fuss and tell me I’m a libtard. Just wait.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:01:53am
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Tigger2  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:02:30am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:03:33am

I’ve been editing a mammoth Wikipedia page for the last 3 hours. it doesn’t help that their server has a case of the slows right now.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:03:50am

Jesus this fookin idjit==>

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:04:44am

I just noticed it has a gun for its avi. Blocked now.

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Belafon  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:10:31am

I wonder if my boss would like “I’m doing my job by not doing my job.” That’s what the Republicans are hoping to get away with.

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ObserverArt  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:12:00am

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

They can’t even work with themselves…

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It looks like the official GOP stance on Trump is to turn around, bend over and accept what is going to happen and smile. Always smile, and make sure they see your US flag lapel pin and the bible in your hand.

The party that spent almost 8 years obstructing Obama, shut down the government and didn’t seem to care that America was growing more tired of their governing as reflected in polls that show 10% approval now can’t obstruct Trump and shut down his bid as their candidate for president.

These guys couldn’t lead themselves out of a room with the lights on. The GOP has no statesmen, they have no individuals. All they have are lemmings that squawk like parrots.

And as they position themselves ready for The Donald I hope they get so pounded in this election they go down in history as the worse Republican congress in history. I never want people to forget the McConnells, the Ryans and Boehners ever.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:13:44am

re: #165 ObserverArt

It looks like the official GOP stance on Trump is to turn around, bend over and accept what is going to happen and smile. Always smile, and make sure they see your US flag lapel pin and the bible in your hand.

Problem is, if they try to disqualify Trump at the convention they run the risk of a 3rd Party candidate or the certainty that a lot of DT supporters will not only abandon the GOP, they will actively turn against it.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:19:56am

It’s the Oregon state DoJ doing the investigation, and the article provides some background on this “Constitutional Sheriff”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:20:50am

re: #166 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Problem is, if they try to disqualify Trump at the convention they run the risk of a 3rd Party candidate or the certainty that a lot of DT supporters will not only abandon the GOP, they will actively turn against it.

Some of them feel so strongly about not letting trump become President that they’re willing to risk it. They certainly have a point. I suspect many Republicans will do as Romney said he would - vote for a 3rd party, essentially trying to give the WH to the Dems rather than letting Trump have it.

How many that will be, and how many will simply submit? Who knows?

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Dr. Matt  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:21:58am

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

JUST IN: Ryan: We can work with Trump t.co pic.twitter.com
— The Hill (@thehill) March 17, 2016

Yeah, because they certainly worked very well with the teabagger caucus. These people never learn.

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Eventual Carrion  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:23:27am

re: #122 Tigger2

Hope this doesn’t turn out to be a Geraldo Rivera moment.

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Al Capone is prob in one.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:26:53am

re: #42 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

And as is always the case they ignore the fact that Confucius made it clear that the five relationships were about responsibility as much as authority.

To put the world in order, we must first put the nation in order; to put the nation in order, we must put the family in order; to put the family in order, we must cultivate our personal life; and to cultivate our personal life, we must first set our hearts right.

But, as always, the Chinese government is taking all the authority and only half the responsibility that is the credit part. The blame they reject. “Ain’t my fault something bad happened to you. You should have behaved yourself.”

Xi and Trump will get along just fine if it comes to that.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:27:10am

re: #142 makeitstop

Here’s that asinine bit of Dennis Miller trolling that’s all over Berniacs’ timelines this morning.

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His numbers are a complete cluster fuck and are wrong. Shocking. cnn.com

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Belafon  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:28:39am

re: #171 Romantic Heretic

And as is always the case they ignore the fact that Confucius made it clear that the five relationships were about responsibility as much as authority.

But, as always, the Chinese government is taking all the authority and only half the responsibility that is the credit part. The blame they reject. “Ain’t my fault something bad happened to you. You should have behaved yourself.”

Xi and Trump will get along just fine if it comes to that.

I think you misspelled Republican as Chinese.

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Ming5000  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:30:27am

re: #166 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Problem is, if they try to disqualify Trump at the convention they run the risk of a 3rd Party candidate or the certainty that a lot of DT supporters will not only abandon the GOP, they will actively turn against it.

As we see, the GOP is laying the groundwork to nullify Trump’s primary win. This statement by Curly (?) Haughland is amazing.

“The media has created the perception that the voters will decide the nomination,” RNC member Curly Haugland told CNBC yesterday. He added, “Political parties choose their nominee, not the general public, contrary to popular belief.”

I suppose the same could be said about the Democratic nomination, that the Party makes the final selection? I have not seen any answer on this so far. Maybe the Super Delegate system is a way to sorta give the Party a final say.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:30:40am

Defending Donald Trump, Alex Jones Warns Of “An Alien Force Not Of This World Attacking Humanity”

Trump supporters are neo-nazis, white supremacists, and conspiracy theorists. In other words, the GOP base.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:31:45am

re: #171 Romantic Heretic

And as is always the case they ignore the fact that Confucius made it clear that the five relationships were about responsibility as much as authority.

But, as always, the Chinese government is taking all the authority and only half the responsibility that is the credit part. The blame they reject. “Ain’t my fault something bad happened to you. You should have behaved yourself.”

Xi and Trump will get along just fine if it comes to that.

Sure. It’s a selective interpretation of Confucius, and one that is taught in schools. Students are expected to memorize and recite Kongzi 孔子’s works, but not to question or debate them in class.

Sound familiar in any way?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:32:13am

re: #168 Blind Frog Belly White

Some of them feel so strongly about not letting trump become President that they’re willing to risk it. They certainly have a point. I suspect many Republicans will do as Romney said he would - vote for a 3rd party, essentially trying to give the WH to the Dems rather than letting Trump have it.

How many that will be, and how many will simply submit? Who knows?

Because they do not want to risk losing the downticket races. But again, a lot of Trump supporters will turn away from the GOP and just stay home in November, probably swapping bong hits with the Berniebots who elected to stay home that day.

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Ming5000  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:32:53am

Links That Rarely Click
Info Wars
FoxNews (except to rubberneck derp)
Politico (yuck)
Gawker
Salon

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Timothy Watson  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:33:17am

re: #175 Dr. Matt

Defending Donald Trump, Alex Jones Warns Of “An Alien Force Not Of This World Attacking Humanity”

Trump supporters are neo-nazis, white supremacists, and conspiracy theorists. In other words, the GOP base.

And if Star Trek: Enterprise taught my anything, the aliens always support the Nazis.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:33:24am

re: #63 sagehen

I believe that’s because the UK remembers WWII as something more than movies.

Let’s face it. The US got off really lucky in WWII. Lowest casualties of the major belligerents and the closest the war got was the two million tons of shipping sunk within sight of the East coast.

For the US WWII was ‘The Good War’. For everyone else it was a horror.

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makeitstop  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:33:31am

re: #172 Dr. Matt

His numbers are a complete cluster fuck and are wrong. Shocking. cnn.com

I think it honestly didn’t matter to him how off the numbers were. He was trolling for a visceral reaction from Berniebros, and he certainly got that.

I’ve typed the term ‘ratfucking’ into more Facebook threads than I can count today. :)

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ObserverArt  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:33:36am

re: #166 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Problem is, if they try to disqualify Trump at the convention they run the risk of a 3rd Party candidate or the certainty that a lot of DT supporters will not only abandon the GOP, they will actively turn against it.

Agreed. My point was they had time to do what they did to Obama with obstructing and blocking…a long time ago. They did it for 7+ years, they could have done it for 7 months.

They didn’t because they know their party is losing more and more support in this country so they open the door to whoever they can attract. That is why they invited in the Tea Party types. It is why they went with Trump.

They obviously thought they could control Trump and then use some of the voters he was attracting. They wanted to use him like they use the Tea Party. But, they haven’t controlled the Tea Party…it is why they have Trump. And they thought no one would ever buy into the Trump crazy. They forgot the Tea party types would buy in and now hold the party hostage and have them bent over ready for the big Trumping they are going to get.

It is all Republican arrogance. Not a one of them lives in the real world as they have missed the reality of the crazy base the whole time. Trump identified that he could use the Tea Party types and he has. And here we are.

When history is written it will be the Obama election that caused the Republicans to go crazy to where they couldn’t think straight or govern. A real lesson in bigotry and how it causes people to be really dumb because of race.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:34:22am

re: #174 Ming5000

As we see, the GOP is laying the groundwork to nullify Trump’s primary win. This statement by Curly (?) Haughland is amazing.

“The media has created the perception that the voters will decide the nomination,” RNC member Curly Haugland told CNBC yesterday. He added, “Political parties choose their nominee, not the general public, contrary to popular belief.”

I suppose the same could be said about the Democratic nomination, that the Party makes the final selection? I have not seen any answer on this so far. Maybe the Super Delegate system is a way to sorta give the Party a final say.

Yes, I remember that after the 1968 Democratic debacle, a lot of attempts were made to open up the process to the public and make it more democratic, but the parties themselves get to decide in the end.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:35:11am

re: #180 Romantic Heretic

Same thing with World War I, the French lost more people than the United States has lost in every military conflict it has been in.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:36:43am

re: #180 Romantic Heretic

I believe that’s because the UK remembers WWII as something more than movies.

Let’s face it. The US got off really lucky in WWII. Lowest casualties of the major belligerents and the closest the war got was the two million tons of shipping sunk within sight of the East coast.

For the US WWII was ‘The Good War’. For everyone else it was a horror.

It was great for my dad, he was 4F because of a leg injury, working full-time plus rolling steel plate in Gary, Indiana.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:38:40am

There was an explosion, some reports say it’s chlorine.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:38:45am

re: #182 ObserverArt

They obviously thought they could control Trump and then use some of the voters he was attracting. They wanted to use him like they use the Tea Party. But, they haven’t controlled the Tea Party…it is why they have Trump. And they thought no one would ever buy into the Trump crazy. They forgot the Tea party types would buy in and now hold the party hostage and have them bent over ready for the big Trumping they are going to get.

.

Trump listened to the TPers when they said that they owe no allegiance to any party, they just vote for candidates who support their agenda, most of whom came from the GOP. But the TP is all about being tired of politicians and politics as usual, which is why an outsider like DT drew them like a magnet.

Still don’t quite know how that works…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:40:03am

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Nojay UK  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:42:25am

re: #174 Ming5000

I suppose the same could be said about the Democratic nomination, that the Party makes the final selection? I have not seen any answer on this so far. Maybe the Super Delegate system is a way to sorta give the Party a final say.

From what I understand of the US political process, as a horrified but fascinated observer from far off (but under the heel of US foreign policy like the rest of the planet) both parties decide their nominee in the conventions, not simply by delegate counts, primaries and caucuses or even popular votes. In theory the delegate counts indicate to the convention who is the most popular candidate, votes are held and a nominee announced. The most popular candidate is assumed to have the support of most of the local groups who will GOTV and ensure their candidate gets elected in November so success in primaries and caucuses translates into a nomination in normal circumstances.

These are not normal circumstances for the Republican Party nomination process. The Democratic Party’s nomination process is proceeding more normally, even to the fire and fury of the side who are down in the regular count at the moment. I don’t see the Democratic Party overturning the “will of the people” at their convention despite the wishful thinking expressed here and there on the Internet.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:43:47am

Who’s responsible for giving the American public the idea that any freakin’ idiot can be an effective President? Nixon for Watergate? Reagan for being a failed actor who somehow became Governor then President? W. Bush for the obvious reasons?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:44:51am

re: #190 Timothy Watson

Who’s responsible for giving the American public the idea that any freakin’ idiot can be an effective President? Nixon for Watergate? Reagan for being a failed actor who somehow became Governor then President? W. Bush for the obvious reasons?

Palin

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ObserverArt  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:45:31am

re: #187 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Trump listened to the TPers when they said that they owe no allegiance to any party, they just vote for candidates who support their agenda, most of whom came from the GOP. But the TP is all about being tired of politicians and politics as usual, which is why an outsider like DT drew them like a magnet.

Still don’t quite know how that works…

All I can think of is Republican arrogance. It blinds them from reality.

They really need to get over themselves but they won’t because they can’t. It is why they need someone to blow it up. Trump won’t be they guy, he is preparing it for the blow up. They need a strong young leader that can get the attention of a younger generation and it can’t be some bozo like Rubio who is nothing but a new old Republican.

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Nojay UK  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:47:22am

re: #176 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Students are expected to memorize and recite Kongzi 孔子’s works, but not to question or debate them in class.

Sound familiar in any way?

You mean like “Students are expected to memorize and recite The Pledge of Allegiance every day, but not to question or debate it in class”?

I never saw the point of that quasi-Stalinist Pledge deal anyway. Why do students have to do it every day? Adults have to swear an oath on taking up certain posts such as the Presidency but they only have to do it once, not every day before they start work.

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Belafon  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:47:28am

re: #189 Nojay UK

We were having this discussion a bit yesterday here. One of the things the parties do is filter out a lot of people that might think they can be president, but have no political experience. If I were to apply to run for president, which is my constitutional right, the Democratic party would look at me and go “yeah, you haven’t done anything.”

Now, some would argue that’s too much power for a party to have. But at the same time, while the party is trying to guarantee its survival, there are things the Democrats are expected to do, and the only way to do that is for it’s leadership to have political experience. So, for me personally, I don’t consider it a bad thing that they have control over who represents them.

And it’s not like the Democrats are that strict. They let an Independent run as a Democrat.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:49:22am

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

Translated.

We made a change in our sterilization procedures to save money. We just now realized this might cost us more money when people get sick or die from tuna that we made. There might also be jail time. Unlikely but possible.

So we’re recalling them.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:50:48am

OK, Wikipedia entry body content is done. Now I get to copypasta the citations (114 of them) from my friend’s draft into the Wiki body. I think I’ll do that tomorrow. Nearing midnight here.

I promised him I’d upload his pre-written Wikipedia entry by the end of the month. I was going to take my time, but another editing job just landed in my lap — two chapters of an academic book, with more to come. So, I’m feeling a little time pressure now.

At least I’m getting paid for it.

OK, later on, people

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Nyet  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:51:39am

Yesterday I posted a link to Greta Christina’s article on “ableist slurs”, and here is another The Orbit writer trying to imply that words like “stupid” are an oppressive bigoted language:

the-orbit.net

She is being trolled in the comments and does not seem to understand it:

Eli
August 26, 2015 at 10:13 am Reply
7
“We as a society have proven that we are incredibly poor judges…”

Don’t you think that this type of language is classist? That is, if “crazy” and “dumb” perpetuate harmful and inaccurate attitudes about people with disabilities, don’t you think that your usage of “poor” perpetuates harmful and inaccurate attitudes about people who struggle to make ends meet?
If so, could you maybe stop using the word “poor” in this way?
Ania Onion Cebulla
August 26, 2015 at 11:31 am Reply
7.1
You know, I hadn’t considered that. I will make the edits in the post and thank you for bringing this to my attention.

Lawrence Castairs
March 16, 2016 at 3:02 pm Reply
9
From your author bio:

“Ania is a disabled, queer, wibbly-wobbly gendery-wendery, social justice activist who is pro-choice, pro-sex work, and manages to say all that in one breath.”
As a person with a speech impediment the fact that you seem to value being able to say a long, complex sentence in one breath as something of worth sounds pretty ableist to me. You’re rather clearly implying that not being able to say that sentence in one breath is a negative attribute to have.

Ania Onion Bula
March 16, 2016 at 9:33 pm Reply
9.1
I can see how it can give off that impression, and I will change it.

I wasn’t so much valuing that ability so much as making an observation on my ADHD and tendency to start speaking very quickly when I get excited. I’m also asthmatic so saying it in one breath was again, about speed. However, I can see how it would cause unintentional damage, and so I will go back and edit. Mea Culpa.

I chalk it up to the 10% of PC that is stupid and crazy (as opposed to 90% that is good).

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:51:46am

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

I encountered a similar article in Bloomberg the other day.

Isn’t it amazing when scientists ‘discover’ something everyone already knows? /

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:53:52am

re: #193 Nojay UK

You mean like “Students are expected to memorize and recite The Pledge of Allegiance every day, but not to question or debate it in class”?

I never saw the point of that quasi-Stalinist Pledge deal anyway. Why do students have to do it every day? Adults have to swear an oath on taking up certain posts such as the Presidency but they only have to do it once, not every day before they start work.

The Red Menace. They added “under God” in the ’50s to combat the “godless Red Menace.”

And it’s generally required in public schools, probably all Christian schools and most Catholic schools. I taught in a private, non-sectarian school and we never required students to recite the Pledge. There was an American flag in the lobby, and that was it.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:54:12am

McConnel to Dems: You started it!

cnn.com

What an ass.

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sagehen  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:54:29am

re: #184 Timothy Watson

Same thing with World War I, the French lost more people than the United States has lost in every military conflict it has been in.

Soviets in WWII had the absolute worst of it — 15% of their entire population!! More than 25 million people. I can’t even imagine the long-lasting trauma that would inflict on the survivors.

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withak  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:55:05am

re: #197 Nyet

Yesterday I posted a link to Greta Christina’s article on “ableist slurs”, and here is another The Orbit writer trying to imply that words like “stupid” are an oppressive bigoted language:

the-orbit.net

She is being trolled in the comments and does not seem to understand it:

I chalk it up to the 10% of PC that is stupid and crazy (as opposed to 90% that is good).

That’s just precious. (I hope that ‘precious’ isn’t an ableist word, or whatever…)

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Nyet  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:56:01am

re: #202 withak

That’s just precious. (I hope that ‘precious’ isn’t an ableist word, or whatever…)

It’s classist since it implies possession of riches that poor people don’t have.

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KerFuFFler  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:56:16am

re: #167 FormerDirtDart

It’s the Oregon state DoJ doing the investigation, and the article provides some background on this “Constitutional Sheriff”

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From the article:

In 2015, for example, he refused to enforce Oregon’s new law that requires background checks for private gun sales.

He explained his stance in a letter: “… we shall take no part in investigating, responding to, expending resources or taxpayer funds in making issue with disarming of law abiding citizens when those citizens are exercising their 4th Amendment right to be secure in their personal effects and 2nd Amendment right to bear arms.

Ummmm, how does he know if the “law abiding citizens” are law abiding without the background check? Man, these gun nuts are stupid.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:56:17am

re: #201 sagehen

Soviets in WWII had the absolute worst of it — 15% of their entire population!! More than 25 million people. I can’t even imagine the long-lasting trauma that would inflict on the survivors.

And Leningrad alone lost over 900,000 inhabitants.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:56:33am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:57:46am

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

Latest trend is cosmetic amputation to show their support: the Trump Stump

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:57:56am
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:59:01am

re: #188 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Let me add some ammonia to this bucket of bleach…”

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Timothy Watson  Mar 17, 2016 • 8:59:06am

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Augmented?

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sagehen  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:00:11am

re: #190 Timothy Watson

Who’s responsible for giving the American public the idea that any freakin’ idiot can be an effective President? Nixon for Watergate? Reagan for being a failed actor who somehow became Governor then President? W. Bush for the obvious reasons?

”__________ proved that anyone can be president, __________ proved we don’t really need a president, and __________ proved a president could actually be dangerous.”

Fill in the blanks according to your own preferences.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:00:21am

re: #190 Timothy Watson

Who’s responsible for giving the American public the idea that any freakin’ idiot can be an effective President? Nixon for Watergate? Reagan for being a failed actor who somehow became Governor then President? W. Bush for the obvious reasons?

It’s obviously that Kenyan usurper …

/ad infinitum

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Lidane  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:00:49am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:01:25am

re: #210 Timothy Watson

Augmented?

No doubt at all…

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Nojay UK  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:02:07am

re: #201 sagehen

Soviets in WWII had the absolute worst of it — 15% of their entire population!! More than 25 million people. I can’t even imagine the long-lasting trauma that would inflict on the survivors.

You don’t need to imagine it, you can just look at the millions of soldiers, tanks and artillery pieces they positioned in the Warsaw Pact nations to prevent the Germans from ever invading them again.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:02:37am

re: #132 Bubblehead II

Damn it, Harry! don’t give ‘em any ideas.

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Nyet  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:05:51am

re: #215 Nojay UK

You don’t need to imagine it, you can just look at the millions of soldiers, tanks and artillery pieces they positioned in the Warsaw Pact nations to prevent the Germans from ever invading them again.

“The Germans” was one of the Warsaw Pact nations.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:12:48am

re: #168 Blind Frog Belly White

How many that will be, and how many will simply submit? Who knows?

Probably most of them.

All authoritarian movements are based around domination/submission. Kiss up and kick down.

Once Trump!™ establishes his authority they will submit. It’s how their minds work.

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Ming5000  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:13:47am

re: #201 sagehen

Soviets in WWII had the absolute worst of it — 15% of their entire population!! More than 25 million people. I can’t even imagine the long-lasting trauma that would inflict on the survivors.

My current YouTube fetish are videos from Russia.
~The Dash Cam never ending stream of WOW! (for fun comparison view dashcam from US or UK)
~The Stop a Douchebag videos. Awesome.

Stop Ham
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Nojay UK  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:14:35am

re: #217 Nyet

“The Germans” was one of the Warsaw Pact nations.

The other “good” Germans were remilitarised and controlled by the US under the NATO banner and pointed East across the IGB so they had reason to worry. The history of the Soviet Union was dominated by invasion and the threat of invasion all the way from the day of its inception through to the end of the Cold War, with the capitalist West promising to destroy Communism the way the Fascists tried to in 1942.

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Nyet  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:15:55am

re: #219 Ming5000

My current YouTube fetish are videos from Russia.
~The Dash Cam never ending stream of WOW! (for fun comparison view dashcam from US or UK)
~The Stop a Douchebag videos. Awesome.

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“Stop a Douchebag” is a project of the proto-fascist Putinist youth org “Nashi”.

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Nyet  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:17:30am

re: #220 Nojay UK

Not that there was anything wrong with trying to destroy the totalitarian Prison of the Nations that was the Warsaw Pact, mind you. Thankfully it eventually happened.

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A Mom Anon  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:17:35am

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s such a disgusting sack of shit.

When people tell me they like him because “he’s different, he doesn’t hold back, he’s honest about his feelings”, etc, etc I am just weirded out. When I see and hear him all I see is a bully, a liar, and if truth were known, I’d almost bet money he’s a domestic abuser too. It makes me crazy. The Husband said something along these lines not long ago, that he gets why some people like him and I read him the riot act. Trump gives me the creeps, and I’d bet you any woman who has survived domestic abuse has a similar sick feeling in the pit of her stomach about this asshole.

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Ming5000  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:21:34am

re: #221 Nyet

“Stop a Douchebag” is a project of the proto-fascist Putinist youth org “Nashi”.

I might need some self reflection. Never considered that I might have proto-fascist leanings. The worse thing I considered myself to be was a Libtard.

I do admit I enjoy when they nab Porsche SUVs or BMWs, more than when they nab worker cars.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:24:04am

re: #193 Nojay UK

I never saw the point of that quasi-Stalinist Pledge deal anyway.

Because the people behind the idea of a daily pledge were trying to out-Stalin Stalin.

You can only fight evil with its own tools after all.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:24:46am

re: #223 A Mom Anon

He’s such a disgusting sack of shit.

When people tell me they like him because “he’s different, he doesn’t hold back, he’s honest about his feelings”, etc, etc I am just weirded out. When I see and hear him all I see is a bully, a liar, and if truth were known, I’d almost bet money he’s a domestic abuser too. It makes me crazy. The Husband said something along these lines not long ago, that he gets why some people like him and I read him the riot act. Trump gives me the creeps, and I’d bet you any woman who has survived domestic abuse has a similar sick feeling in the pit of her stomach about this asshole.

From “The Lost Tycoon” and “unauthorized biography” of Donald Trump from 1993:

The book, by former Texas Monthly and Newsweek reporter Harry Hurt III, described a harrowing scene. After a painful scalp reduction surgery to remove a bald spot, Donald Trump confronted his then-wife, who had previously used the same plastic surgeon.

“Your fucking doctor has ruined me!” Trump cried.

What followed was a “violent assault,” according to Lost Tycoon. Donald held back Ivana’s arms and began to pull out fistfuls of hair from her scalp, as if to mirror the pain he felt from his own operation. He tore off her clothes and unzipped his pants.

Donald is suing the Daily Beast for publishing this excerpt, and apparently also suing Ivana for violating her “no deprecations for life” contract

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Mattand  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:26:43am

re: #3 Joe Bacon

Another great Bob & Chez show that has me convulsing in some badly-needed laughter. Folks, toss some shekels their way so they can hit their Patreon goal!

I was all set to, until I heard the episode where they mentioned they were on the same page as Bill Maher and Sam Haris regarding Islam, and by extension, Musims: “I’m not saying ALL Muslims are terrorists, BUT…”

I generally like what they do, but I have a hard time supporting people with that “viewpoint”. It’s the same shit I’ve heard from my relatives for decades about mnorities; that “I’m not a bigot but you know how THOSE people are.”

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:26:50am

re: #52 Dr. Matt

Considering what Churchills policies did to Obama’s father, he had every right to do that.

Not to mention, Cameron is an incompetent muppet who is significantly responsible for Libya cracking.

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Nyet  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:27:10am

re: #224 Ming5000

Here Nashi have attached the Russian opposition’s leaders’ photos to the stakes with the Nazi regalia:

Image: element-698544-misc-002.jpg

Here are Nashi thugs stomping on the photos of liberals, including the defenseless fragile human rights icon Lyudmila Alekseeva:

Image: 5-13.jpg

Need I say more?

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Belafon  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:27:17am

re: #225 Romantic Heretic

Because the people behind the idea of a daily pledge were trying to out-Stalin Stalin.

You can only fight evil with its own tools after all.

The only thing that stops a bad guy with a pledge is a good guy with a pledge.

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ObserverArt  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:27:36am

re: #223 A Mom Anon

He’s such a disgusting sack of shit.

When people tell me they like him because “he’s different, he doesn’t hold back, he’s honest about his feelings”, etc, etc I am just weirded out. When I see and hear him all I see is a bully, a liar, and if truth were known, I’d almost bet money he’s a domestic abuser too. It makes me crazy. The Husband said something along these lines not long ago, that he gets why some people like him and I read him the riot act. Trump gives me the creeps, and I’d bet you any woman who has survived domestic abuse has a similar sick feeling in the pit of her stomach about this asshole.

If he doesn’t physically abuse, you can be damn sure he mentally and emotionally abuses women.

Edit to add: After seeing VBs comments just above, it appears he physically abuses too.

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Belafon  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:28:24am

re: #228 Ziggy_TARDIS

Considering what Churchills policies did to Obama’s father, he had every right to do that.

Not to mention, Cameron is an incompetent muppet who is significantly responsible for Libya cracking.

The bust was on loan. The loan was over. There was never any “I don’t want this here” from Obama.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:31:18am

re: #201 sagehen

Soviets in WWII had the absolute worst of it — 15% of their entire population!! More than 25 million people. I can’t even imagine the long-lasting trauma that would inflict on the survivors.

re: #205 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And Leningrad alone lost over 900,000 inhabitants.

I remember reading about the city of Kharkov in WWII. It had, as I recall, a population of about 300,000 at the start of the war.

The front rolled over it four times. First time during Barbarossa. Second turing the Soviet attacks after Stalingrad. Third during the Nazi counter attacks when the Soviet attacks petered out. Finally it was retaken after Kursk.

They found thirty of the original inhabitants still living there.

I still get a look of disbelieving horror on my face every time I think of that. The mind can’t really comprehend a fact like that.

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A Mom Anon  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:33:52am

re: #232 Belafon

If I remember right, there is actually another bust of Churchill in the White House in another location that was not on loan, it’s just there for whatever reason. And seriously, who gives a shit? It’s not like he returned the Statue of Liberty or something.

I swear, the Mean Girls in middle school are less petty than these dipshits.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:36:37am

re: #227 Mattand

I was all set to, until I heard the episode where they mentioned they were on the same page as Bill Maher and Sam Harris regarding Islam, and by extension, Muslims: “I’m not saying ALL Muslims are terrorists, BUT…”

I generally like what they do, but I have a hard time supporting people with that “viewpoint”. It’s the same shit I’ve heard from my relatives for decades about minorities; that “I’m not a bigot but you know how THOSE people are.”

THIS. I no longer listen to their shows or visit their website, and I won’t tweet anything that promotes them, not even from LGF. There are limits.

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Ming5000  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:38:16am

re: #229 Nyet

Not really

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CuriousLurker  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:48:31am

re: #234 A Mom Anon

If I remember right, there is actually another bust of Churchill in the White House in another location that was not on loan, it’s just there for whatever reason. And seriously, who gives a shit? It’s not like he returned the Statue of Liberty or something.

I swear, the Mean Girls in middle school are less petty than these dipshits.

Yeah, it’s stupid:

Update:

Since my post on the fact that the bust of Winston Churchill has remained on display in the White House, despite assertions to the contrary, I have received a bunch of questions — so let me provide some additional info. The White House has had a bust of Winston Churchill since the 1960’s. At the start of the Bush administration Prime Minister Blair lent President Bush a bust that matched the one in the White House, which was being worked on at the time and was later returned to the residence. The version lent by Prime Minister Blair was displayed by President Bush until the end of his Presidency. On January 20, 2009 — Inauguration Day — all of the art lent specifically for President Bush’s Oval Office was removed by the curator’s office, as is common practice at the end of every presidency. The original Churchill bust remained on display in the residence. The idea put forward by Charles Krauthammer and others that President Obama returned the Churchill bust or refused to display the bust because of antipathy towards the British is completely false and an urban legend that continues to circulate to this day.

whitehouse.gov

President Barack Obama shows Prime Minister David Cameron of the United Kingdom a bust of Sir Winston Churchill in the private residence of the White House, July 20, 2010. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)
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CuriousLurker  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:52:00am

Alrighty then, I guess it’s still too early

Later.

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KingKenrod  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:54:29am

Chuck starts the day with a hilarious n*word joke

Facebook Post

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:55:07am

re: #239 KingKenrod

Chuck starts the day with a hilarious n*word joke

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Ewww who wants CCJ’s pot of piss?

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:56:14am

Wow such presidential very leadership

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Timothy Watson  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:56:25am

re: #239 KingKenrod

Guess he never heard of Cinco de Mayo?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:56:58am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:59:33am

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:59:34am

The Tuesday story focused on Grace Tilly, a 33-year-old Trump supporter in North Carolina, who has a Celtic Cross and the number 88 tattooed on her hands, both of which Gawker first identified are widely recognized white supremacist symbols.

In an editor’s note added to the full story, the network wrote NewsHour presents profiles of families and their political views “without reporters’ narrative” which “requires the audience to draw its own conclusions.”

Tilly told producers the tattoos “are not representative of neo-Nazi positions but are connected to her family’s Celtic religious beliefs,” according to the note.

OK what is the significance of “88” in Celtic tradition?

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Franklin  Mar 17, 2016 • 9:59:52am

re: #243 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wow, ugly.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:00:35am

re: #217 Nyet

“The Germans” was one of the Warsaw Pact nations.

We can count on you to leave no nit unpicked…

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:02:07am

re: #225 Romantic Heretic

Because the people behind the idea of a daily pledge were trying to out-Stalin Stalin.

You can only fight evil with its own tools after all.

You can only fight ISIS by torturing and beheading people!!!

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Belafon  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:03:19am

re: #246 Franklin

Wow, ugly.

Are those the actual words they’re using? We’ve talked before about them trying to dismiss red states, which while it includes similar states, isn’t so explicit.

It’s still pretty stupid of them to think they can just ignore a part of the Democratic party, even if they are in states (like me in Texas) that won’t go for the Democrat.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:03:19am

David Tennant’s father has died.

David Tennant’s dad and former Church of Scotland moderator the Very Rev Dr Sandy McDonald has died aged 78.

Dr McDonald, Moderator of the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland from 1997-98, revealed last year he was fighting the degenerative lung disease pulmonary fibrosis.

The Church said he died at the Erskine Care Home for ex-servicemen in Bishopton, Renfrewshire, on Thursday morning.

Current Moderator, the Rt Rev Dr Angus Morrison, said: “Dr Sandy McDonald was a wonderful man and minister.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:03:28am

re: #245 The Vicious Babushka

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OK what is the significance of “88” in Celtic tradition?

8 Guinesses before lunch and 8 afterwards…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:04:58am

re: #249 Belafon

Are those the actual words they’re using?

Yes, I’ve seen it with some of the #StillSanders tweets

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Franklin  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:05:09am

re: #251 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

8 Guinesses before lunch and 8 afterwards before dinner…

That’s my game plan atleast.

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withak  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:09:41am

re: #243 Backwoods_Sleuth

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IA, NV, MA, MI, IL, and OH will be shocked to learn of their new membership in the Confederacy.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:09:50am

Apparently, there is more evidence for more rooms in Tut’s tomb.

I will throw cold water on Nefertiti being hidden there.

1st, Nefertiti was not his mother, and I think an argument could be made that Akhenaten was not his father. There would be no reason for her to be there.

2nd, the fact the Nefertiti and Akhenaten were so thoroughly erased from history suggests their bodies would have been destroyed, especially since we can’t find with any certainty any mummy that is Akhenaten. I don’t think either mummy exists anymore.

We do have the remains of Tut’s mother and father, and possibly Ankehesenamun, so who the other body is could be an interesting question.

Problem is, the way to the remaining chambers is through the only decorated room in the tomb. How to get what is behind the walls?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:13:45am

re: #254 withak

IA, NV, MA, MI, IL, and OH will be shocked to learn of their new membership in the Confederacy.

And, apparently, AZ was not….
O_o

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:13:59am

re: #253 Franklin

That’s my game plan atleast.

then it’s time to hit the whisky!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:16:15am

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ummm, debatable.

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Jay C  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:21:09am

re: #255 Ziggy_TARDIS

Problem is, the way to the remaining chambers is through the only decorated room in the tomb. How to get what is behind the walls?

From what I’ve read, this isn’t actually an insurmountable problem: all one needs to do (I think) is to drill a small hole a few millimeters wide in an unobtrusive place on the wall, and scan it with remote , lighted cameras. Of course, this has to be done VERY carefully, but AFAICT, it is definitely possible.

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withak  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:21:35am

538 doesn’t even have poll data, let alone a forecast, for the Dem AZ primary.

I am disappoint.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:24:22am

re: #259 Jay C

If something is found behind it, it becomes a big issue to then get to it.

I do know that the side chamber off of the burial chamber is completely undecorated. Start digging from there?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:25:24am

re: #261 Ziggy_TARDIS

If something is found behind it, it becomes a big issue to then get to it.

I do know that the side chamber off of the burial chamber is completely undecorated. Start digging from there?

remove the decorated wall intact & entirely?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:29:33am

re: #246 Franklin

Wow, ugly.

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Jesus. Yeah that’s a way to get us on board with Bernie. Tell us our votes don’t mean shit because of something that happened in the past. Sigh, Bernie’s supporters will be the death of him. Condescending bs is no way to make allies.

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worldknot  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:29:41am

The former Confederate states include the swing states of FL, VA, and NC, which together have 38.7 million people and 57 electoral votes.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:30:24am

re: #263 HappyWarrior

Jesus. Yeah that’s a way to get us on board with Bernie. Tell us our votes don’t mean shit because of something that happened in the past. Sigh, Bernie’s supporters will be the death of him. Condescending bs is no way to make allies.

Yes, in that sense, Bernie is a bit like Jesus Christ…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:30:34am

re: #264 worldknot

The former Confederate states include the swing states of FL, VA, and NC, which together have 38.7 million people and 57 electoral votes.

Yep. You know for a socialist, this campaign isn’t very inclusive.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:30:55am

re: #265 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Yes, in that sense, Bernie is a bit like Jesus Christ…

Not literally ya wiseass.

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Kragar  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:31:15am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:31:59am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:32:03am

re: #267 HappyWarrior

Not literally ya wiseass.

In the sense of Gandhi’s quote “I admire Christianity, it’s just the Christians I can’t stand!”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:32:09am

re: #268 Kragar

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Nothing’s going to rehabiliate the image of Hitler. If video of him playing with children thankfully didn’t. Duke’s pal Trump certainly won’t.

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Kragar  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:33:06am

re: #271 HappyWarrior

Nothing’s going to rehabiliate the image of Hitler. If video of him playing with children thankfully didn’t. Duke’s pal Trump certainly won’t.

When you’re saying your chosen candidate will make Hitler look good, that is not a good thing.

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Jay C  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:33:13am

re: #261 Ziggy_TARDIS

re: #262 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The Egyptians are apparently going to take their time with this: According to the BBC, they are going to be conducting a “more advanced scan” later this month - though presumably again, a non-invasive one. Assuming they find, or think they find, “something” in the newly-discovered chambers, I’m guessing a probe would be the next step. With any actual retrieval put off to the future.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:33:19am

re: #271 HappyWarrior

Nothing’s going to rehabiliate the image of Hitler. If video of him playing with children thankfully didn’t. Duke’s pal Trump certainly won’t.

But he built Autobahns and gave everyone paid vacations and package tours to the Alps and the North Sea coast!

//
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Belafon  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:33:32am

re: #271 HappyWarrior

Nothing’s going to rehabiliate the image of Hitler. If video of him playing with children thankfully didn’t. Duke’s pal Trump certainly won’t.

Maybe Duke’s thinking “If we can only get someone worse than Hitler in office.”

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Belafon  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:35:20am

re: #273 Jay C

The Egyptians are apparently going to take their time with this: According to the BBC, they are going to be conducting a “more advanced scan” later this month - though presumably again, a non-invasive one. Assuming they find, or think they find, “something” in the newly-discovered chambers, I’m guessing a probe would be the next step. With any actual retrieval put off to the future.

This is where we need little roach like robots with position tracking and cameras. An individual camera wouldn’t have to take a very large image, but enough of them and a computer to put the images together could map hard to get into places.

Edit: Thinking about it a bit more, you wouldn’t even need the tracking. A good algorithm would be able to figure out where individual images overlap.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:35:44am

re: #273 Jay C

That’s a good thing. The new Minister of Antiquities is far better than the swaggering buffoon Zahi Hawass.

I am still very, very skeptical this is Neferiti. Evidence would seem to indicate that this is someone else.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:38:07am
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ObserverArt  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:39:03am

re: #244 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Awwww. What a sad situation.

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Jenner7  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:39:19am

Did Jason “fake righteous indignation” Chaffetz freak out at Gov. Snyder today like he did with Gina McCarthy??

I’m guessing no, because he’s a hack with an agenda.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:41:01am

re: #278 Backwoods_Sleuth

I don’t understand the “stop playing politics” line with Supreme Court nominees. Why would you not play politics with a political issue?

Politics and government seem to overlap for some reason. Must be democracy…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:45:26am

re: #280 Jenner7

Did Jason “fake righteous indignation” Chaffetz freak out at Gov. Snyder today like he did with Gina McCarthy??

I’m guessing no, because he’s a hack with an agenda.

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ObserverArt  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:45:38am

re: #245 The Vicious Babushka

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OK what is the significance of “88” in Celtic tradition?

Nothing. But in letters the eighth letter is ‘h’ so HH!

Hiel Hitler

And as previously discussed isn’t the Celtic cross also used by the White Supremacists as their “logo.” It has it’s own roots in racism I believe as it has lone been associated with white races of Norwegian decent and the like.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:47:13am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:47:55am

re: #263 HappyWarrior

They’ll also be the death of the country as they work to assure a Trump presidency.

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Jenner7  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:48:08am

re: #282 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wow. I can’t tell you how much I loath Jason Chaffetz. He is everything that is wrong with the Republican party.

How he can yell and scream at Gina and not be outraged that his own party is blocking aid to Flint for beyond disgusting.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:48:25am

re: #283 ObserverArt

Nothing. But in letters the eighth letter is ‘h’ so HH!

Hiel Hitler

And as previously discussed isn’t the Celtic cross also used by the White Supremacists as their “logo.” It has it’s own roots in racism I believe as it has lone been associated with white races of Norwegian decent and the like.

Yes 88 is Heil Hitler and the Celtic Cross is used in white supremacist crap. It’s a shame too. I always found them beautiful. I have a small one on my desk next to bicentennial commemorative plate that my grandparents owned and a small Liberty Bell too.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:49:03am

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Cummings is the man.

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Kragar  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:49:41am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:51:12am
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ObserverArt  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:51:25am

re: #246 Franklin

Wow, ugly.

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Everyone wondered about Bernie’s tone deafness on African Americans. It looks like some people have picked up on that as being a thing. I’m not saying Bernie is a racist/bigot, but the fact that he doesn’t speak so much to AA issues might be taken by some of his backers as a signal he doesn’t cater to them. A void in policy filled by blockheads.

What a mess. It goes to one of my concerns about Sanders. That would be he is so focused on Wall Street he misses what might be happening around him. I hope he gets that shit cleaned up. He doesn’t t need that crap.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:52:57am

re: #291 ObserverArt

Not to even mention the fact that his AA surrogates piss off just about every single AA person I know.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:53:02am

re: #273 Jay C

If it comes to it, they can do what China is doing with the terra cotta warriors. That being, protecting and preserving the locations until future technology will better help reveal everything without any damage done.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:54:17am

re: #289 Kragar

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freetoken  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:55:03am

This story from yesterday is getting a little bit of coverage today:

‘Evolution’ disclaimer to remain in Alabama textbooks

Certain science textbooks used in Alabama public schools will continue to include a disclaimer regarding the theory of evolution.

The state board of education unanimously voted last week to continue installing the one-page disclaimer in appropriate biology textbooks.

[…]

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:56:10am

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

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jaunte  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:56:23am

Underwhelming enthusiasm!

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:56:53am

re: #255 Ziggy_TARDIS

Jimmy Hoffa?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:58:04am

re: #289 Kragar

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You know, as a descendant of Irish immigrants and knowing how crappy they were treated for being either the wrong religion or whatever, it’s why I’m sympathetic to today’s immigrants. Really pisses me off when another American of Irish descent shits on someone trying to do what our great great grandparents did over 100 years ago.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:58:09am

re: #295 freetoken

From the disclaimer:

There are many unanswered questions about the origin of life

Which has nothing to with evolution. The rest of it is just stupid.

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Kragar  Mar 17, 2016 • 10:58:31am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:00:49am

STOOK: Yet another idiot!

STOOKAWN: Believe it or not… another idiot!

homepage.eircom.net
(lots of other handy Irish slang at that link)

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:02:25am

LOL

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Franklin  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:04:01am
Google Knows All
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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:04:39am

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

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homepage.eircom.net
(lots of other handy Irish slang at that link)

I remember hearing craic a lot during the month I lived in Galway. Craic as I recall is like mindless chatter. I really enjoyed living there. I still have the surname history of my grandmother’s that I got for free one day. A living testament not only to my grandmother’s family but the kindness of the Irish people. My second time there, I had a blast chatting with the Irish cab drivers in Dublin and later with the guy who ran the Easter 1916 tour I went on.

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ObserverArt  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:05:23am

re: #299 HappyWarrior

You know, as a descendant of Irish immigrants and knowing how crappy they were treated for being either the wrong religion or whatever, it’s why I’m sympathetic to today’s immigrants. Really pisses me off when another American of Irish descent shits on someone trying to do what our great great grandparents did over 100 years ago.

Almost everyone coming to America was trying to get away from some kind of bad situation. We should all keep that in mind. But it is the old “I got mine…and I don’t want someone else coming to take it away.”

And too many times they all call themselves children of some God that taught them how to be good.

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Jenner7  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:05:26am

Mike Lee told Doug Wright, local radio host, that they can’t have hearings for Merrick Garland because it’s “too toxic”.

Well, that’s hilarious, considering you and your party leaders are the ones who made it toxic.

I did way too much yelling at the radio this morning.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:06:36am
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CuriousLurker  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:07:07am

I was looking at the existential discussions/arguments in the other threads last night related to belief/religion. Y’know, some people are going to believe in the existence of a deity/deities, regardless of what anyone says; others will say the existence of such is improbable (or in some cases even assert that it’s impossible).

It strikes me as absurd to quibble over who’s more wrong. In fact, to me, it seems nearly as ridiculous as different religious groups claiming that their religion is the real one, the Truth™, and everyone else has it wrong.

You know what? I don’t give a hairy rat’s ass. I’m not going to get in your face and try to cram my beliefs or opinions down your throat, nor am I going to insult you for whatever you believe or don’t believe in (unless you’re a foul bigot, racist. etc.). As long as you do likewise and stay out of my face, we’ll get along fine. If I spend an hour arguing with you over something neither of us is going to change our minds about, then that’s a wasted hour of my life that I can never get back.

Our lives are relatively short and we are all going to die—no one escapes from here alive. That’s an indisputable fact that we call all be 100% certain of. Wasting any of that precious time quibbling is by far the most wrong thing to do, IMO.

Easy peasy—see? //

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:07:52am

re: #306 ObserverArt

Almost everyone coming to America was trying to get away from some kind of bad situation. We should all keep that in mind. But it is the old “I got mine…and I don’t want someone else coming to take it away.”

And too many times they all call themselves children of some God that taught them how to be good.

Yeah that’s very true. It sucks. People know their own ancestors were treated poorly and they do it to others. IT sucks.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:08:41am

88 - her number on the rugby team.

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Belafon  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:10:38am

re: #312 GlutenFreeJesus

88 - her number on the rugby team.

She’s celebrating the year I graduated from high school.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:10:45am
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CuriousLurker  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:11:00am

re: #308 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ooooh, I bet klys will like that harp.

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freetoken  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:11:02am

May, or may not, be ominous:

Dead Michigan resident had bacteria linked to Wisconsin outbreak

A person who died in Michigan tested positive for a bacteria linked to as many as 17 deaths in neighboring Wisconsin, health officials said on Thursday.

The resident was elderly and had underlying health conditions, but a blood culture revealed the presence of the Elizabethkingia bacteria, Michigan health officials said.

[…]

Elizabethkingia anophelis

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:12:09am
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jaunte  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:12:59am

re: #314 The Vicious Babushka

I have to stop being surprised at how nasty people get when presented with evidence contrary to their point.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:13:23am

re: #315 CuriousLurker

Ooooh, I bet klys will like that harp.

It’s a beautiful harp. I thought of her too.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:13:46am

re: #318 jaunte

I have to stop being surprised at how nasty people get when presented with evidence contrary to their point.

I told her to look up the Fenians who were based in the USA.

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jaunte  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:14:20am

re: #320 The Vicious Babushka

I sense the goalpost moving to “but airplanes.”

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gocart mozart  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:14:40am
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:15:51am

re: #321 jaunte

I sense the goalpost moving to “but airplanes.”

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jaunte  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:16:14am

re: #322 gocart mozart

“You knew I had a dangerously narrow focus on cutting taxes when I was elected; it’s your fault for not stopping me.”

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iossarian  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:16:45am

re: #322 gocart mozart

Republicans: federal government is always bad/wrong/overbearing, except when we need to pin the blame for a public disaster on someone other than a Republican, in which case the federal government should have been a much more active presence in state-level affairs, to the extent of deliberately overstepping its mandate.

No, it makes no sense when put that way, either.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:16:59am

re: #320 The Vicious Babushka

Or the support many Irish-Americans had for the IRA.

U2 - Sunday Bloody Sunday

Let me tell you something. I’ve had enough of Irish Americans who haven’t been back to their country in twenty or thirty years come up to me and talk about the resistance, the revolution back home; and the glory of the revolution, and the glory of dying for the revolution. Fuck the revolution! They don’t talk about the glory of killing for the revolution. What’s the glory of taking a man from his bed and gunning him down in front of his wife and his children? Where’s the glory in that? Where’s the glory of bombing a Remembrance Day parade of old-age-pensioners, their medals taken out and polished up for the day? Where’s the glory in that? To leave them dying, or crippled for life, or dead, under the rubble of the revolution that the majority of the people in my country don’t want. No more! Sing No more!

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freetoken  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:17:59am

notice the Spy software has been updated too…

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CuriousLurker  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:18:30am

re: #321 jaunte

I sense the goalpost moving to “but airplanes.”

Yeah, they always pull out the 9/11 card. I’m gonna have to sit down and make a graphic of that one day…

LOL—I should’ve known—there’s already a crap-load of them. Take your pick…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:20:00am

re: #323 The Vicious Babushka

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Uh yeah people did oppose Irish immigration because they were said to be violent like Muslim immigrants are now. Wasn’t just the Fenians but also the Molly Maguires. Anyone acting like there wasn’t acts of violence commited by Irish-American groups is deluding themselves. And you’re a fan of Gangs of New York, VB, the 1863 Draft Riots.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:20:00am

re: #323 The Vicious Babushka

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If she married a Fenian, she would know better.
(My great-grandfather was a Fenian.)

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Lidane  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:20:35am
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:20:54am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:21:08am

re: #328 CuriousLurker

Yeah, they always pull out the 9/11 card. I’m gonna have to sit down and make a graphic of that one day… LOL—I should’ve known—there’s already a crap-load of them. Take your pick…

What I know is infuriating for you is when you’re told to “go home.” Fuck, I’m tired of 9/11 being an excuse to trash the overwhelming majority of Muslim-Americans who are great Americans. Scapegoating sucks.

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jaunte  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:21:15am

I thought marrying a Fenian these days would require graverobbing.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:21:20am

re: #330 Backwoods_Sleuth

If she married a Fenian, she would know better.
(My great-grandfather was a Fenian.)

If she married a Fenian she must be hella old

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CuriousLurker  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:23:04am

re: #333 HappyWarrior

What I know is infuriating for you is when you’re told to “go home.” Fuck, I’m tired of 9/11 being an excuse to trash the overwhelming majority of Muslim-Americans who are great Americans. Scapegoating sucks.

To me it’s more like: “LOLWUT? You want me to go back to Texas?” Idiots. I already blocked the one VB was talking to.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:23:15am

re: #334 jaunte

re: #335 The Vicious Babushka

Yep, the Fenians were all pretty much ancient history to me when my grandmother told me the stories from the 1800s.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:23:43am

re: #330 Backwoods_Sleuth

If she married a Fenian, she would know better.
(My great-grandfather was a Fenian.)

Man I don’t know about what any of mine did. I like to think that they were sympathetic to the cause though. I mean I should sure as hell hope so. Mayo got hit really hard by the famine. Your Uncle Phil Sheridan was from close to the Northern border wasn’t he though? Don’t know if you were here yesterday but I got my report back from the researcher I talked to. It’s a shame. No records of my great great grandfather in Ireland. He thinks this is a possibility though where he was from.
en.wikipedia.org

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:23:43am

re: #323 The Vicious Babushka

Could she by any chance be talking about being married to someone who supported the IRA through NORAID or a similar organization.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:24:56am

re: #339 Ziggy_TARDIS

Could she by any chance be talking about being married to someone who supported the IRA through NORAID or a similar organization.

Fenian has a very 19th century meaning. It’s possible but I can’t help but to wonder if she knows that Sinn Fein uh is socialist in its ideology and the IRA got help from Qaddafi.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:25:59am

re: #337 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yep, the Fenians were all pretty much ancient history to me when my grandmother told me the stories from the 1800s.

Glory, glory to the brave Fenian men. But yeah when I hear the phrase, I think of the revolutionaries in the time after the Famine but before the Easter Rising. I believe O’Leary the subject of Yeats’ September1913 was a Fenian.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:26:44am

re: #338 HappyWarrior

Man I don’t know about what any of mine did. I like to think that they were sympathetic to the cause though. I mean I should sure as hell hope so. Mayo got hit really hard by the famine. Your Uncle Phil Sheridan was from close to the Northern border wasn’t he though? Don’t know if you were here yesterday but I got my report back from the researcher I talked to. It’s a shame. No records of my great great grandfather in Ireland. He thinks this is a possibility though where he was from.
en.wikipedia.org

It wasn’t the Sheridan branch that were the Fenians, it was the other scruffier branch that came here from Ireland via Canada.

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Kragar  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:27:15am
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Nyet  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:27:18am

re: #245 The Vicious Babushka

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OK what is the significance of “88” in Celtic tradition?

“Happy Halloween”

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:27:27am

re: #337 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yep, the Fenians were all pretty much ancient history to me when my grandmother told me the stories from the 1800s.

I think there is a “Fenian Brotherhood” kind of thing which is something like the Elks or the Moose or the Kiwanis or the Stonecutters

CMIIW

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:27:28am

re: #338 HappyWarrior

Oh, and the Sheridans came from Cavan.

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Franklin  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:27:34am

re: #340 HappyWarrior

Fenian has a very 19th century meaning. It’s possible but I can’t help but to wonder if she knows that Sinn Fein uh is socialist in its ideology and the IRA got help from Qaddafi.

Let’s ask Peter King, he’ll know.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:28:03am

re: #342 Backwoods_Sleuth

It wasn’t the Sheridan branch that were the Fenians, it was the other scruffier branch that came here from Ireland via Canada.

Ah okay. Yeah mine came from all around the island. Mayo, Down, Fermanagh, and I am tempted to say Cork judging on what I read on my great great grandmother’s maiden name but she’s enigmatic as hell.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:29:09am

re: #346 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh, and the Sheridans came from Cavan.

Ah gotcha. More in land I see. All mine as I said are in counties pretty close to the Atlantic or the sea.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:29:31am
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CuriousLurker  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:29:56am

re: #340 HappyWarrior

Fenian has a very 19th century meaning. It’s possible but I can’t help but to wonder if she knows that Sinn Fein uh is socialist in its ideology and the IRA got help from Qaddafi.

And the PLO.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:31:31am

re: #340 HappyWarrior

Fenian has a very 19th century meaning. It’s possible but I can’t help but to wonder if she knows that Sinn Fein uh is socialist in its ideology and the IRA got help from Qaddafi.

Fenians started up here in the USA around the Civil War era. The group pretty much disappeared in the very early 1900s.
If we ever meet, I shall regale you with my family’s many stories of the Fenian Invasion of Canada.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:32:07am

re: #351 CuriousLurker

And the PLO.

Yes, that’s right. c

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Kragar  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:32:17am

It’s the Devil. The churches aren’t going to tell you. It is an alien force, not of this world, attacking this world like the Bible and every ancient text says, and you can read the Bible, it’s hiding in plain view. It’s not of this world. And I don’t know exactly what it is or what it’s doing, but this is not human intelligence. It’s not human intelligence we’re facing! I refuse to fight with everybody! All the stupid racist white people, the stupid racist black people, the stupid racist Mexicans, all of you, I can’t stand you, you’re idiots. We’re under attack. Everybody’s under attack.

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Belafon  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:33:41am

re: #354 Kragar

Why do I get the feeling racist means “Doesn’t like Alex Jones”?

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jaunte  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:33:55am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:35:02am

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fenians started up here in the USA around the Civil War era. The group pretty much disappeared in the very early 1900s.
If we ever meet, I shall regale you with my family’s many stories of the Fenian Invasion of Canada.

Sounds like a treat. My grandmother’s Irish heritage is probably why I identify with it the most. More than any other grandparent, she shaped me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:35:11am

re: #356 jaunte

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:35:14am

Wow such presidential very leadership

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:36:24am

re: #356 jaunte

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That’s a win.

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jaunte  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:36:26am

re: #358 Backwoods_Sleuth

The party of Government Doesn’t Work wants to run the government.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:36:57am

re: #358 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yes. Yes indeed.

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Nojay UK  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:37:19am

re: #351 CuriousLurker

And the PLO.

And the Shining Path Maoist nutters in Colombia too. It says something that the Soviets never supported Sinn Fein as they were too left-wing for the Kremlin.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:37:26am

re: #349 HappyWarrior

My history in Ireland comes from before the famine. Apparently, I got the people who arrived earlier.

I have a bit of background from at least 3 of the old Provinces of Ireland. Ulster, Connacht, and Munster.

Leinster is less clear. Specific counties are Donegal, Mayo, and Cork. Other references are generally to Ulster and Ireland.

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MsJ  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:37:31am

re: #313 Belafon

She’s celebrating the year I graduated from high school.

More like the number of years it is going to take her to graduate high school.

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Kragar  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:37:43am

re: #359 The Vicious Babushka

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jaunte  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:38:16am

re: #366 Kragar

Another satisfied Trump U. graduate.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:38:19am

My favorite Irish poem isn’t political at all. IT makes me think of my grandmother. Her family despite what I thought wasn’t from Galway but she did raise horses for many years and her father rode too.
HERE where the course is,
Delight makes all of the one mind,
The riders upon the galloping horses,
The crowd that closes in behind:
We, too, had good attendance once,
Hearers and hearteners of the work;
Aye, horsemen for companions,
Before the merchant and the clerk
Breathed on the world with timid breath.
Sing on: somewhere at some new moon,
We’ll learn that sleeping is not death,
Hearing the whole earth change its tune,
Its flesh being wild, and it again
Crying aloud as the racecourse is,
And we find hearteners among men
That ride upon horses.

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ObserverArt  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:38:39am

re: #309 CuriousLurker

I was looking at the existential discussions/arguments in the other threads last night related to belief/religion. Y’know, some people are going to believe in the existence of a deity/deities, regardless of what anyone says; others will say the existence of such is improbable (or in some cases even assert that it’s impossible).

It strikes me as absurd to quibble over who’s more wrong. In fact, to me, it seems nearly as ridiculous as different religious groups claiming that their religion is the real one, the Truth™, and everyone else has it wrong.

You know what? I don’t give a hairy rat’s ass. I’m not going to get in your face and try to cram my beliefs or opinions down your throat, nor am I going to insult you for whatever you believe or don’t believe in (unless you’re a foul bigot, racist. etc.). As long as you do likewise and stay out of my face, we’ll get along fine. If I spend an hour arguing with you over something neither of us is going to change our minds about, then that’s a wasted hour of my life that I can never get back.

Our lives are relatively short and we are all going to die—no one escapes from here alive. That’s an indisputable fact that we call all be 100% certain of. Wasting any of that precious time quibbling is by far the most wrong thing to do, IMO.

Easy peasy—see? //

Humans CL. Humans. One of their biggest flaws is they have to be right and feel superior. All of what you comment about is based on it. How can I leave you be if I can prove that I am more right than you and that makes me more superior?

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CuriousLurker  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:39:47am
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Nojay UK  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:40:05am

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

If we ever meet, I shall regale you with my family’s many stories of the Fenian Invasion of Canada.

There were several Fenian bandit raids across the border after the Civil War until Britain told the US government to stop them or we’d come south and burn the White House again. The US did the same a few decades later on its southern border in similar circumstances.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:40:34am

re: #364 Ziggy_TARDIS

My history in Ireland comes from before the famine. Apparently, I got the people who arrived earlier.

I have a bit of background from at least 3 of the old Provinces of Ireland. Ulster, Connacht, and Munster.

Leinster is less clear. Specific counties are Donegal, Mayo, and Cork. Other references are generally to Ulster and Ireland.

Most of mine are pre-famine too which has made research difficult there. I got really really lucky finding an obituary of one of them. It’s how I found the Mayo connection. The Down one I know since it’s actually literally written on the headstone of one of them.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:42:31am

re: #370 CuriousLurker

More recently:

2009: Sinn Fein’s Gerry Adams Meets Hamas Leader During Gaza Trip - Haaretz

2014: Gerry Adams barred from entering Gaza Strip - The Independent

Yeah not much has changed. Although, I’m sympathetic to the cause of Irish unification. I’ve always been in the John Hume (Nobel laureate) camp but the important thing people have to realize that it’s never merely been about Catholic Versus Protestants. Yeah it’s true that one side seem to lean one way and the other another way but there have been Protestant nationalists throughout Irish history and even a handful from Ireland’s small Jewish community. That and attrocities have been done by both sides.

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Belafon  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:42:36am

re: #369 ObserverArt

Humans CL. Humans. One of their biggest flaws is they have to be right and feel superior. All of what you comment about is based on it. How can I leave you be if I can prove that I am more right than you and that makes me more superior?

We were in a checkout line and my son asked who reads the magazines there, and I said they’re there for people who what to feel better than those who make a lot of money.

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Lidane  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:44:11am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:45:23am

re: #375 Lidane

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I’m seeing some people musing about this on FB. They’re pissing and moaning. Maybe because it’s obvious to POTUS that Bernie isn’t going to be the nominee. She’s ahead of where he was in 2008.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:47:41am

Something hilarious about Lindsay Graham being the second senator to endorse Ted Cruz.

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jaunte  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:47:44am

re: #376 HappyWarrior

This just came across my Twitter TL; it’s like an illustration of how not to design accurate charts and graphs.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:49:54am

re: #378 jaunte

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This just came across my Twitter TL; it’s like an illustration of how not to design accurate charts and graphs.

Le eye sore.

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worldknot  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:50:21am

re: #378 jaunte

For starters, there are only 4051 pledged delegates.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:51:56am

re: #378 jaunte

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This just came across my Twitter TL; it’s like an illustration of how not to design accurate charts and graphs.

Not only that, it’s WAY too busy. My eye keeps bouncing around looking for a place to land, but as soon as it does some other element immediately pulls it away again.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:52:34am

I’m torn: butthurt is usually fun to watch, but I prefer it when it’s not on my side.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:53:24am

When was the last night that Sanders actually had a net positive of delegates ove rClinton? I’m genuinely stumped here about that. They keep on talking about how the math favors him going forward but really I ain’t seeing it and I can’t tell you how much his campaign casually dismissing how badly he performs with Hispanics and African-Americans bugs me. I commend him for getting a lot of people excited and into politics but at the same time, I think the coalition he has isn’t one that is strong.

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Tigger2  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:53:53am
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Belafon  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:54:31am

re: #383 HappyWarrior

When was the last night that Sanders actually had a net positive of delegates ove rClinton? I’m genuinely stumped here about that. They keep on talking about how the math favors him going forward but really I ain’t seeing it and I can’t tell you how much his campaign casually dismissing how badly he performs with Hispanics and African-Americans bugs me. I commend him for getting a lot of people excited and into politics but at the same time, I think the coalition he has isn’t one that is strong.

New Hampshire.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:54:34am

re: #383 HappyWarrior

When was the last night that Sanders actually had a net positive of delegates ove rClinton?

After NH, Sanders had something like a ten-delegate lead. That was his last.

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iossarian  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:54:50am

re: #384 Tigger2

Record high 100% of GOP politicians are paid off shills of fossil fuel-based energy sector.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:54:50am

re: #382 Testy Toad T

I’m torn: butthurt is usually fun to watch, but I prefer it when it’s not on my side.

i honestly hate seeing it because they’re acting childish. Bob Reich, who I respect a ton is acting like that sportscaster who tells your fans in late July when the team is 20 games out that they’re as good as the first place team when it’s obvious to everyone watching that this just isn’t the year. Plus as I said, they dismiss their weak showings with key elements of the Democratic base in a way that upsets me.

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MsJ  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:55:31am

re: #359 The Vicious Babushka

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Tigger2  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:55:41am

re: #387 iossarian

Record high 100% of GOP politicians are paid off shills of fossil fuel-based energy sector.

I see that hasn’t changes in the last 30 years.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:55:59am

re: #385 Belafon

New Hampshire.

That long ago? Dayum but I believe it. I mean he’s had some successes no doubt. The Michigan surprise for one but he still lost that night because Clinton pulverized him in Mississippi.

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Belafon  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:56:02am

I’ll have to research this at home, but I seem to recall that, back in 2008, Clinton supporters argued that delegates would change votes at the convention. Like I said, I’ll have to see if I am remembering that correctly or not.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:56:35am

re: #388 HappyWarrior

Plus as I said, they dismiss their weak showings with key elements of the Democratic base in a way that upsets me.

“Yay go Clinton for winning the confederacy derp derp” makes me actively angry.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:59:09am

Is it just me or does this primary seem even worse than 08 on our side as far as online vitriol? Reading Dkos is a daily dose of calling Americans stupid if they support Hillary and declarations of going 3rd party etc. I know it was bad in 08, I watched it, but I don’t think it was this bad.

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Lidane  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:59:23am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 11:59:26am

re: #393 Testy Toad T

“Yay go Clinton for winning the confederacy derp derp” makes me actively angry.

As a Virginia resident me too. I don’t begrudge Bernie at al for winning states that never go Democratic unless for an extreme circumstance like Oklahoma, Kansas, and Nebraska. Plus it’s ignoring the obvious that a higher amount of the primary electorate in those states are African-Americans too. They really need to stop acting like this isn’t a problem they have and they make it worse by doing that shit.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 12:00:34pm

re: #395 Lidane

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It was always about the benefits of the job than the actual job to him anyhow. Glad he’s being honest about that. He won’t be missed.

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Belafon  Mar 17, 2016 • 12:02:30pm

re: #394 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Is it just me or does this primary seem even worse than 08 on our side as far as online vitriol? Reading Dkos is a daily dose of calling Americans stupid if they support Hillary and declarations of going 3rd party etc. I know it was bad in 08, I watched it, but I don’t think it was this bad.

I don’t really think it’s any worse. A lot of it is concentration. DK is now the biggest, in terms of participants, liberal site. A lot of the pro-Clinton people back then were at FireDogLake and MyDD, which no longer exist. And a lot of the arguments being made now were being made back then for Clinton.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 17, 2016 • 12:03:23pm

re: #394 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Is it just me or does this primary seem even worse than 08 on our side as far as online vitriol? Reading Dkos is a daily dose of calling Americans stupid if they support Hillary and declarations of going 3rd party etc. I know it was bad in 08, I watched it, but I don’t think it was this bad.

“The DNC is rigging everything to make Clinton lose” would have been a message that would have rung patently hollow and absurd even to a Clinton supporter. It’s not really wrong to say about Sanders.

(Which is okay. The party should rig everything to hinder Sanders’ candidacy. It’s literally their job.)

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worldknot  Mar 17, 2016 • 12:03:56pm

The next eight states are AZ, ID, UT, AK, HI, WA, WI, and WY, so Sanders may gain a little ground before reality sets in. It’s like the primary season is designed to break his supporters’ hearts.

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CleverToad  Mar 17, 2016 • 12:04:40pm

re: #346 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh, and the Sheridans came from Cavan.

Hubby can’t remember where his branch of the Sheridans came from — he thinks County Cork, but I’ll have to ask his sister. His grandfather was the definition of off-the-boat Irish: born in 1869 and left home at the age of 14 to become a cabin boy; rose to become a ship’s carpenter and used to boast that he’d never sailed under steam. Married a girl from the islands and washed ashore on Key West sometime before the 1900 census.

My diluted-Irish kid celebrates St Patrick’s enthusiastically. Went to high school this morning in a green shirt with 5 or 6 “Kiss Me” buttons, and a lovely lace-trimmed pirate-style tricorne. I made the mistake of asking him what’s with the hat — he said “I’m Pi-rish.” (Waiting to see how many of his schoolmates smack him for that one.)

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 12:05:10pm

I really resent their idea that Clinton is being forced on Democratic voters. Democratic voters are voting for her. It’s independent participation in the primaries that has helped Bernie. I don’t mind that like some people do but I do mind “Oh Hillary doesn’t speak for Democrats.” Uh yeah she does. A lot of them do like her. I got no problem with people preferring Bernie over her and in fact I did too for a long time but the lack of respect for people who are just as dedicated to good causes as they are and brushing them off as ESTABLISHMENT SELL OUTS pisses me off.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mar 17, 2016 • 12:05:12pm

re: #398 Belafon

I don’t really think it’s any worse. A lot of it is concentration. DK is now the biggest, in terms of participants, liberal site. A lot of the pro-Clinton people were at FireDogLake and MyDD, which no longer exist. And a lot of the arguments being made now were being made back then for Clinton.

Maybe I just don’t remember it as being this bad (and it was bad). I am half expecting Kos to go on a purge over there given the number of diaries openly attacking him as well.

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iossarian  Mar 17, 2016 • 12:05:23pm

re: #394 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Is it just me or does this primary seem even worse than 08 on our side as far as online vitriol? Reading Dkos is a daily dose of calling Americans stupid if they support Hillary and declarations of going 3rd party etc. I know it was bad in 08, I watched it, but I don’t think it was this bad.

I think 08 was pretty bad actually - I mean it’s hazy to me at this point but there was the whole mess of whether some states would actually count in the Democratic primary, the “phone call in the middle of the night” stuff, etc. etc.

There’s inevitably sound and fury in the comments sections everywhere but I think it’s gradually solidifying into backing Hillary on the Democratic side. Maybe that’s just wishful thinking (and I say that as someone who leans more towards Bernie but would be happy with either).

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mar 17, 2016 • 12:06:34pm

re: #399 Testy Toad T

“The DNC is rigging everything to make Clinton lose” would have been a message that would have rung patently hollow and absurd even to a Clinton supporter. It’s not really wrong to say about Sanders.

(Which is okay. The party should rig everything to hinder Sanders’ candidacy. It’s literally their job.)

Considering Sanders and his people have come out and said openly that he’s only running as a democrat for the money and publicity and that the goal is to gut the Democratic party, yeah I would probably work to end him too.

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CleverToad  Mar 17, 2016 • 12:07:01pm

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fenians started up here in the USA around the Civil War era. The group pretty much disappeared in the very early 1900s.
If we ever meet, I shall regale you with my family’s many stories of the Fenian Invasion of Canada.

Sounds interesting!

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ObserverArt  Mar 17, 2016 • 12:07:21pm

re: #366 Kragar

Kragar ‎@Kragar_LGF

You’re overlooking the obvious choice: @realDonaldTrump

2:35 PM - 17 Mar 2016

Thanks for tweeting that response. It should have been obvious by Trumps use of the word star. There is only one star.

I still can’t believe he is almost 70 and he acts like he is 12.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mar 17, 2016 • 12:08:39pm

re: #404 iossarian

I think 08 was pretty bad actually - I mean it’s hazy to me at this point but there was the whole mess of whether some states would actually count in the Democratic primary, the “phone call in the middle of the night” stuff, etc. etc.

There’s inevitably sound and fury in the comments sections everywhere but I think it’s gradually solidifying into backing Hillary on the Democratic side. Maybe that’s just wishful thinking (and I say that as someone who leans more towards Bernie but would be happy with either).

Yeah it was bad, and I was an early Obama supporter. And yeah some of the attacks on both sides were just terrible but to say “Well clinton can only win the confederacy” and to have the level of elitism that Sanders supporters reek of just seems worse.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 12:09:19pm

re: #405 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Considering Sanders and his people have come out and said openly that he’s only running as a democrat for the money and publicity and that the goal is to gut the Democratic party, yeah I would probably work to end him too.

Curious about that because I missed that. Honestly, I look at it like this, they didn’t have to let him run as a Democrat. He’s done very little to get Democrats elected if at all which is why I love the howling at people like Warren who have eitehr endorsed Clinton or stayed neutral funny. Bernie’s not a Democrat. He caucuses with them. They use him and he uses them. They don’t really owe him anything.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mar 17, 2016 • 12:11:28pm

re: #409 HappyWarrior

Curious about that because I missed that. Honestly, I look at it like this, they didn’t have to let him run as a Democrat. He’s done very little to get Democrats elected if at all which is why I love the howling at people like Warren who have eitehr endorsed Clinton or stayed neutral funny. Bernie’s not a Democrat. He caucuses with them. They use him and he uses them. They don’t really owe him anything.

Saw it in a tweet last night, would have to dig up the doc (the part about the goal being to gut the democratic party). No he hasn’t done a damn thing for the party. Sure he’s a progressive, I will give him that and would vote for him if he’s the nominee but given everything I have seen his supporters and trump’s supporters are just 2 sides of the same coin.

That being said, the DNC does need reform, DWS needs to be fired and the party does need to continue leftward progress.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 12:12:54pm

re: #401 CleverToad

Hubby can’t remember where his branch of the Sheridans came from — he thinks County Cork, but I’ll have to ask his sister. His grandfather was the definition of off-the-boat Irish: born in 1869 and left home at the age of 14 to become a cabin boy; rose to become a ship’s carpenter and used to boast that he’d never sailed under steam. Married a girl from the islands and washed ashore on Key West sometime before the 1900 census.

My diluted-Irish kid celebrates St Patrick’s enthusiastically. Went to high school this morning in a green shirt with 5 or 6 “Kiss Me” buttons, and a lovely lace-trimmed pirate-style tricorne. I made the mistake of asking him what’s with the hat — he said “I’m Pi-rish.” (Waiting to see how many of his schoolmates smack him for that one.)

We’re Joyces on my grandmother’s mother’s side. Always hoped to be related to James and not William (Lord Haw Haw) but William came from much closer to where I know that sie of the family came from. I know I had Irish speakers though in my family. I have an obituary I found of my great great great grandmother marveling about how she lived in the US well over half her life and spoke Irish till the end. Can’t help but to wonder if Irish was the first language of the kids since her youngest daughter took care of my grandmother when my great grandmother died and my grandmother’s writings describe her great aunt as being from Ireland even though I’ve found that she was not. I was also calling Martin O’Malley cousin since I’m an O’Malley as well. Same great great great grandmother has that as her maiden name. I’m really lucky that PA has its death certificates available.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 12:13:22pm

re: #410 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Saw it in a tweet last night, would have to dig up the doc (the part about the goal being to gut the democratic party). No he hasn’t done a damn thing for the party. Sure he’s a progressive, I will give him that and would vote for him if he’s the nominee but given everything I have seen his supporters and trump’s supporters are just 2 sides of the same coin.

That being said, the DNC does need reform, DWS needs to be fired and the party does need to continue leftward progress.

Very much agreed on all counts.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mar 17, 2016 • 12:14:39pm

re: #412 HappyWarrior

Very much agreed on all counts.

The speed at which we make that progress is open though. I don’t mind slow and steady progress. I stopped being the “I want it all and I want it now” type a long time ago.

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EPR-radar  Mar 17, 2016 • 12:20:04pm

re: #369 ObserverArt

Humans CL. Humans. One of their biggest flaws is they have to be right and feel superior. All of what you comment about is based on it. How can I leave you be if I can prove that I am more right than you and that makes me more superior?

Although there was some of that superiority game in the preceding thread, there were also some real issues. There was significant, and justified IMO, push back vs. the idea that atheism logically entails the same kind of belief/faith that theism does.

That isn’t just a philosophical issue. US right wing nut jobs use this argument as an important part of their program to undo the enlightenment

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HappyWarrior  Mar 17, 2016 • 12:21:12pm

re: #413 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

The speed at which we make that progress is open though. I don’t mind slow and steady progress. I stopped being the “I want it all and I want it now” type a long time ago.

Same. I’m a pragmatist. I also like Obama’s approach of making things law i.e. the DADT repeal versus executive ordering it right away because it’s a lot harder to overturn a set law than it is to overturn an EO. I think my philosophy is definitely quite liberal still but my approach is more pragmatic.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mar 17, 2016 • 12:24:53pm

re: #415 HappyWarrior

Same. I’m a pragmatist. I also like Obama’s approach of making things law i.e. the DADT repeal versus executive ordering it right away because it’s a lot harder to overturn a set law than it is to overturn an EO. I think my philosophy is definitely quite liberal still but my approach is more pragmatic.

Same here. Yes, it would be awesome if it could all happen tomorrow but it can’t minds need to be changed and people need to be motivated. I do remember from 08 how Hillary and her supporters tried to criticize Obama as not pragmatic when, over the past 8 years, he has been and has made some real progress doing so. In 08 I was a big Obama supporter and really not a fan of Hillary but this year I actually find myself in her camp for the same reasons I was an Obama fan.

I do wish she would take a tougher stand on Wall St. though. That cesspool needs to be drained.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 17, 2016 • 12:28:09pm

re: #308 Backwoods_Sleuth

Looks kind of like mine! Except with a lot more gold paint and fancy stuff.

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EPR-radar  Mar 17, 2016 • 12:31:32pm

re: #416 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I do wish she would take a tougher stand on Wall St. though. That cesspool needs to be drained.

I’d also like to see that, but I think it unrealistic at this time. The opportunity for putting in better curbs on the excesses of the financial sector was lost by Obama and the Democrats in 2008-2010. Dodd-Frank is likely better than nothing, but is laughably short of a full solution.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 17, 2016 • 12:32:14pm

re: #414 EPR-radar

Although there was some of that superiority game in the preceding thread, there were also some real issues. There was significant, and justified IMO, push back vs. the idea that atheism logically entails the same kind of belief/faith that theism does.

That isn’t just a philosophical issue. US right wing nut jobs use this argument as an important part of their program to undo the enlightenment

I think part of the issue from last night comes from a difference in how the words tend to be used in society, which may be somewhat different from the dictionary definition. In my experience dealing with those in the church, ‘agnostic’ is used to indicate a “I don’t have a (strong) position on whether there is a deity or not” while ‘atheist’ is used to indicate “I believe there is no God.”

Which might have driven part of the discussion, but I really don’t feel like getting dragged into that kind of mess so I will leave the observation here and merely suggest that that could have played a part.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mar 17, 2016 • 12:33:49pm

re: #418 EPR-radar

I’d also like to see that, but I think it unrealistic at this time. The opportunity for putting in better curbs on the excesses of the financial sector was lost by Obama and the Democrats in 2008-2010. Dodd-Frank is likely better than nothing, but is laughably short of a full solution.

Yeah, if Congress hadn’t changed hands things may have been different. Presidents can only do so much. Sadly, dems are bad at off year elections.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2016 • 2:36:26pm

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fenians started up here in the USA around the Civil War era. The group pretty much disappeared in the very early 1900s.
If we ever meet, I shall regale you with my family’s many stories of the Fenian Invasion of Canada.

People with our (very small) family name were big in that.


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