Saturday Jam: Bill Laurance, “Prologue: Fjords”

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Written by Bill Laurance
Produced by Bill Laurance and Michael League
Co-produced by Robert ‘Sput’ Searight

Bill Laurance - keyboards and vocoder
Michael League - basses and moog bass
Robert ‘Sput’ Searight - drums and percussion

Sirintip - vocals
Maria Im - violin
Henry Flory - violin
Curtis Stewart - violin
Christiana Liberis - violin
Irena Momchilova - viola
Kallie Ciechomski - viola
Maria Jeffers - cello
Sam Quiggins - cello
Matt McLaughlin - French horn
Achilles Liarmakopoulos - trombone

Arranged by Bill Laurance and Michael League
Orchestrated and conducted by Michael League

Recorded by Rudyard Lee Cullers, August 2014 at Dreamland Studios in West Hurley, NY
Mixed by Nic Hard at Limebeat Studios in New York, NY
Mastered by Josh Kessler
Directed by Andy LaViolette
Filmed by Andy LaViolette and Brad Holt

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153 comments
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bratwurst  Mar 19, 2016 • 8:43:39am

Is this kind of thing really acceptable?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2016 • 8:45:57am

re: #1 bratwurst

Is this kind of thing really acceptable?

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I doubt it.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 19, 2016 • 8:46:42am

re: #1 bratwurst

Is this kind of thing really acceptable?

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Not unless someone actually has a membership for which they received some benefit and then failed to pay for. It’s just a fundraising letter then it is seriously over-the-line.

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ObserverArt  Mar 19, 2016 • 8:47:07am

re: #1 bratwurst

Is this kind of thing really acceptable?

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It really should be asked…have they no shame? Short answer: no.

I bet there are more and more delinquencies than ever before. Might even be a few ‘denials’ they were ever members in the first place…someone must have made a mistake.

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ObserverArt  Mar 19, 2016 • 8:48:09am

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

Not unless someone actually has a membership for which they received some benefit and then failed to pay for. It’s just a fundraising letter then it is seriously over-the-line.

From a party that is also seriously over the line…they just don’t know where that line is.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2016 • 8:48:09am

So in an OT note. Brooklyn is a nice movie.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2016 • 8:48:13am

re: #1 bratwurst

They see Trump’s con-man approach succeeding.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 19, 2016 • 8:48:22am

re: #1 bratwurst

Is this kind of thing really acceptable?

More conservative humor

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bratwurst  Mar 19, 2016 • 8:50:49am

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

Not unless someone actually has a membership for which they received some benefit and then failed to pay for. It’s just a fundraising letter then it is seriously over-the-line.

So what kind of memberships does the RNC offer, and what are the benefits?

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BlueSpotinAL  Mar 19, 2016 • 8:51:29am

re: #5 ObserverArt

From a party that is also seriously over the line…they just don’t know where that line is.

The line is so far back they can’t even see it anymore.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 19, 2016 • 8:54:37am

Why didn’t the NFL say the same thing about Tampa, Jacksonville, and Miami when Governor Skeletor signed a similar bill?

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 19, 2016 • 8:56:15am

re: #5 ObserverArt

From a party that is also seriously over the line…they just don’t know where that line is.

Then Mr. Priebus and company can expect a lawsuit that will, at considerable cost, instruct them on where the line is.

The effect such a suit will have on the RNC’s ability to raise money: Negative, but I Don’t Care. I am loyal to the GOP, but I believe the party organ’s must be punished if they violate the law.

To paraphrase Sir Thomas Moore, I am the Republican Party’s good servant, but Justice’s first.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2016 • 8:56:16am

re: #11 Dr. Matt

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Why didn’t the NFL say the same thing about Tampa, Jacksonville, and Miami when Governor Skeletor signed a similar bill?

Wingnuts sure do love them some state sanctioned homophobia but they’re for small government just ask them. //

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Decatur Deb  Mar 19, 2016 • 8:57:18am

re: #1 bratwurst

Is this kind of thing really acceptable?

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Might run afoul of these:

Elder Abuse: Financial Scams Against Seniors
nolo.com

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wrenchwench  Mar 19, 2016 • 8:58:29am
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retired cynic  Mar 19, 2016 • 8:58:30am

re: #14 Decatur Deb

It must be legal, because I get similar mail and email from non-profits and Democratic groups. Don’t like any of it.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 19, 2016 • 8:59:01am

re: #11 Dr. Matt

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Why didn’t the NFL say the same thing about Tampa, Jacksonville, and Miami when Governor Skeletor signed a similar bill?

Florida simply has too many Super Bowl venues the NFL would lose in carrying out that threat. Threats like that are made for states with one Superbowl venue, not states with three. As is normally the case with the NFL, power matters more than morality.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:01:15am

re: #15 wrenchwench

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Oh wow. I see a lot of whitesplaining on this by people who point out that African-Americans have played whites like Freeman did with Red in Shawshank and Quvenzhané Wallis as Annie but the difference is these are fictional characters while Zoe would be playing a real person.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:02:17am

The other issue might be that the Florida Religious Freedom Restoration Act does not have the same language as the one now proposed in Georgia. As I understand it, the Florida RFRA largely mirrors the federal law of the same name and lacks the “exclude the gays provision”.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:02:22am

re: #1 bratwurst

Is this kind of thing really acceptable?

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There’s a car dealership around here that has made its mailers look like air mail certified letters, government documents and even an eviction notice. Yeah I am totally stoked about being “removed” from hassles and high prices.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:02:42am

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

Florida simply has too many Super Bowl venues the NFL would lose in carrying out that threat. Threats like that are made for states with one Superbowl venue, not states with three. As is normally the case with the NFL, power matters more than morality.

That’s a fair point though I still don’t get why your party is obsessed with homophobia. Why do gay people scare them so damn much? I have gay friends and relatives. Perfectly normal people who just happen to attracted to members of the same sex. My cousin is an excellent father yet your party thinks he and his husband should be allowed to be discriminated against in the way that African-Americans were in the Jim Crow days. It’s not right.

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mmmirele  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:05:01am

re: #11 Dr. Matt

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Why didn’t the NFL say the same thing about Tampa, Jacksonville, and Miami when Governor Skeletor signed a similar bill?

Interesting, I didn’t know that Florida had such a bill.

I know Arizona was considering a bill two years ago, and the NFL was like, “uh, we will move the Super Bowl. It’s only nine months away, but we will move it.” And that had happened before. Arizona had done away with MLK Day and the NFL moved the Super Bowl. So that, plus the possibility of losing the college national championship just played two months ago, and the future NCAA basketball tournaments got the attention of the otherwise ignorant legislators.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:07:11am

re: #22 mmmirele

Interesting, I didn’t know that Florida had such a bill.

I know Arizona was considering a bill two years ago, and the NFL was like, “uh, we will move the Super Bowl. It’s only nine months away, but we will move it.” And that had happened before. Arizona had done away with MLK Day and the NFL moved the Super Bowl. So that, plus the possibility of losing the college national championship just played two months ago, and the future NCAA basketball tournaments got the attention of the otherwise ignorant legislators.

I think that was the Arizona bill that had something to do with racial profiling not this bullshit “religious liberty” aka I can discriminate against you because you’re the gay under the pre-text that it’s part of my religion. If I were a real bastard, I’d be tempted to pretend to be a devout Catholic and refuse to sell goods to Fundies who are on their third marriage because hey divorce is a sin too! /// Sick of the goddamned hypocritical fundamentalist bastards thinking their “religious liberty” matters more than others.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:07:25am

re: #21 HappyWarrior

I don’t defend the “exclude the gays” provisions inserted into some recent state Religious Freedom Restoration Acts, and the Illinois RFRA is an older version that does not contain such provisions nor does Gov. Rauner support its amending to include said provisions.

So I can’t answer your question because I do not know the answer. I made my own peace with gayness back in 2003 and have kept that peace since then.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:08:39am

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

I don’t defend the “exclude the gays” provisions inserted into some recent state Religious Freedom Restoration Acts, and the Illinois RFRA is an older version that does not contain such provisions nor does Gov. Rauner support its amending to include said provisions.

So I can’t answer your question because I do not know the answer. I made my own peace with gayness back in 2003 and have kept that peace since then.

Yet you remain in your own words loyal to a party that has no peace with gayness and the man who in your own words that you voted for has attended events with men who think gay people should be executed. You may not personally be a homophobic person DF but by being a staunch Republican, you do enable ti. Oh and the only reason why Rauner hasn’t done it because he’d never get away with in it a progressive state like Illinois.

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wrenchwench  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:08:55am

re: #18 HappyWarrior

Oh wow. I see a lot of whitesplaining on this by people who point out that African-Americans have played whites like Freeman did with Red in Shawshank and Quvenzhané Wallis as Annie but the difference is these are fictional characters while Zoe would be playing a real person.

Nina’s race played a huge role in her life as a singer, and as a person of course. I refrain from making up my mind about actors playing parts of persons of differing races, but I found it funny that a race is attributed to god in that tweet.

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mmmirele  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:09:58am

re: #23 HappyWarrior

I think that was the Arizona bill that had something to do with racial profiling not this bullshit “religious liberty” aka I can discriminate against you because you’re the gay under the pre-text that it’s part of my religion. If I were a real bastard, I’d be tempted to pretend to be a devout Catholic and refuse to sell goods to Fundies who are on their third marriage because hey divorce is a sin too! /// Sick of the goddamned hypocritical fundamentalist bastards thinking their “religious liberty” matters more than others.

Actually, no, it was a religious “liberty” bill. And I was wrong in my memory, the GOP-dominated lege passed it but Jan Brewer vetoed it.

en.wikipedia.org

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:10:18am

re: #26 wrenchwench

Nina’s race played a huge role in her life as a singer, and as a person of course. I refrain from making up my mind about actors playing parts of persons of differing races, but I found it funny that a race is attributed to god in that tweet.

Yeah I did too.Honestly, I dunno. I’m curious about what Ms. Simone’s estate thinks of it. I don’t like being outraged on behalf of people who aren’t outraged.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:10:32am

re: #27 mmmirele

Actually, no, it was a religious “liberty” bill. And I was wrong in my memory, the GOP-dominated lege passed it but Jan Brewer vetoed it.

en.wikipedia.org

Oh my mistake. Sorry.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:11:12am

re: #26 wrenchwench

Nina’s race played a huge role in her life as a singer, and as a person of course. I refrain from making up my mind about actors playing parts of persons of differing races, but I found it funny that a race is attributed to god in that tweet.

It triggers my anti-appropriation anxiety when Yo-Yo Ma plays the Bach cello suites, though he does it better than anyone else.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:11:13am

It’s worth remembering that the NFL’s objection is to the “exclude the gays” provision in Georgia’s RFRA, not to the law as a whole. Again, Illinois’ RFRA has no such provision and the NFL would not issue such a threat if Florida’s RFRA did not have such provisions when passed by a chamber of the state legislature (such provisions could have been in the original bill but then have been stripped out in committee or on a chamber’s floor).

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gwangung  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:13:06am

re: #28 HappyWarrior

Yeah I did too.Honestly, I dunno. I’m curious about what Ms. Simone’s estate thinks of it. I don’t like being outraged on behalf of people who aren’t outraged.

Leading the charge against the casting, I think.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:13:32am

re: #32 gwangung

Leading the charge against the casting, I think.

Then I understand completely.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:13:56am

In fact, I am highly suspicious of Nina’s long Teutonic intro to this:

nina simone you’d be so nice to come home to

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Dave In Austin  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:14:13am

If Cruz wins Utah will he get a complimentary set of magic undies?

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:14:45am

re: #25 HappyWarrior

Rauner does not favor such legislation because he’s not that kind of religious conservative. His conservatism is based on putting Illinois’ financial house in order, and passing laws that can’t pass Constitutional muster violate that form of conservatism by wasting the state’s money in lawsuits it cannot win.

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gwangung  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:14:50am

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Then I understand completely.

Coastes had a long, very good article on this:

theatlantic.com

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:15:34am

re: #35 Dave In Austin

If Cruz wins Utah will he get a complimentary set of magic undies?

Maybe. Will Sanders also be offered a pair?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:15:40am

Frankly, I’m of the opinion that these so called “religious liberty” provisions are a load of crap. If your religion gets in the way of doing your job i.e. selling flowers or baked goods to soon to be married gay couples, signing forms for gay couples that are to be married, or perhaps giving out contraception if you don’t believe in contraception, you really need to find a new line of work. I don’t believe in using violence as a deep held part of my personal philosophy. It wouldn’t be right for me to join the police force or military and then refuse to shoot a gun because of that.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:17:30am

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

Rauner does not favor such legislation because he’s not that kind of religious conservative. His conservatism is based on putting Illinois’ financial house in order, and passing laws that can’t pass Constitutional muster violate that form of conservatism by wasting the state’s money in lawsuits it cannot win.

Fair enough but my point still stands. Your party is riddled with homophobic assholes and is very likely to nominate one for President whether his name be Trump, Kasich, Cruz, or Ryan.

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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:18:07am

re: #1 bratwurst
Everything is acceptable in defeating the Dark Lord Obama.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:19:28am

re: #37 gwangung

Coastes had a long, very good article on this:

theatlantic.com

Good read, thanks.

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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:21:14am

Religious Liberty is a huckster euphemism for discrimination. “Free for me to discriminate under the guise that it’s my religion.’ It means nothing more or less.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:21:23am

Honestly bio-epics are tough. I remember there was some rumbling about the actor who played Solomon Northup in 12 Years a Slave and the director, Steve MCQueen being British.
- I’m so blonde sometimes. Northup not Grundy

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:22:15am

re: #43 SoundGuy 2016

Religious Liberty is a huckster euphemism for discrimination. “Free for me to discriminate under the guise that it’s my religion.’ It means nothing more or less.

Right, that’s what it’s always been about. No one’s telling these people they can’t attend a church that says fucked up shit about gay people but the second they bring those beliefs into the workforce and public sphere and start discriminating against gays, it’s a problem.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:30:38am

re: #44 HappyWarrior

Honestly bio-epics are tough. I remember there was some rumbling about the actor who played Solomon Grundy in 12 Years a Slave and the director, Steve MCQueen being British.

Just be glad Pat Boone didn’t play Little Richard.

imdb.com

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:34:16am

re: #21 HappyWarrior

Well, the GOP represents that part of the nation dependent on privilege, that is discrimination, for much of its identity. They always started closer to the finish line than ‘those people’.

Now ‘those people’ have a starting line much closer to that of the GOP base. The competition is much fairer than it was. It’s not completely fair but the competition is much tougher as more people start near the same spot, and despite their worship of ‘competition’ they hate having to actually compete. They’re in favour of ‘competition’ as long as the odds are stacked in their favour.

Which is why the ‘religious freedom’ and ‘voter ID’ laws. They’re trying to restore their privilege to start closer to the finish line.

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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:37:36am

I thought this was a parody site, but oh no: LIONGUARD

this.is.LIONGUARD.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:41:00am

re: #43 SoundGuy 2016

Religious Liberty is a huckster euphemism for discrimination. “Free for me to discriminate under the guise that it’s my religion.’ It means nothing more or less.

Actually, the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act was passed for very different reasons. It was passed to ensure that in cases involving the Free Exercise Clause of the 1st Amendment, government impositions on such religious practice would be subject to the ‘strict scrutiny” standard. The men who introduced the federal RFRA were none other than Chuck Schumer in the House and Ted Kennedy in the Senate.

So I challenge your contention on the grounds that despite efforts to pass state RFRAs with provisions to exclude gay people, that was not the purpose of the original federal law nor that of the great majority of state versions of the law in place today.
The actions of a minority of bigots should not be grounds to hold the non-offensive religious beliefs of many others in contempt nor void out their rights to practice those beliefs.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:42:02am

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

Rauner does not favor such legislation because he’s not that kind of religious conservative. His conservatism is based on putting Illinois’ financial house in order, and passing laws that can’t pass Constitutional muster violate that form of conservatism by wasting the state’s money in lawsuits it cannot win.

You mean like Kansas?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:42:40am

re: #44 HappyWarrior

Solomon Northrup actually. Solomon Grundy is a Superman villain.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:45:56am

re: #48 SoundGuy 2016

I thought this was a parody site, but oh no: LIONGUARD

this.is.LIONGUARD.

Disney Co. is going to let those jerks have it. The company Walt Disney founded does not tolerate trademark infringement.

Given that these morons have chosen a name that is actually the name of a movie in a Disney franchise whose 1st film featured songs by Sir Elton John, perhaps the right answer to them is for protestors facing them to sing “The Circle of Life”.

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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:48:15am

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

Actually, the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act was passed for very different reasons.

I’m going to stop you right there. The RFRA from 93 and today’s Religious Liberty legislation have little if any relation.

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Great White Snark  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:48:31am

re: #48 SoundGuy 2016

I thought this was a parody site, but oh no: LIONGUARD

this.is.LIONGUARD.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:48:54am

re: #51 Eclectic Cyborg

Solomon Northrup actually. Solomon Grundy is a Superman villain.

Hahaha oops.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:51:00am

re: #48 SoundGuy 2016

I thought this was a parody site, but oh no: LIONGUARD

this.is.LIONGUARD.

Wow the comments…

“If you care about issues facing our Great Country like the UN’s Agenda 21, the seeding of the upper atmosphere with hormones and aerosols, the plans to put US citizens in concentration camps to make room for immigrants, and the general transformation of the office of presidency into Apologizer in Chief, then you should stand with us and scream MAGA into the wind! If not, you’re a coward and low energy Dumbocrat who doesn’t give a SHI!T about this Country. You can unnimbly navigate your way right to Canada, you commie.”

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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:51:16am

re: #54 Great White Snark

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:51:59am

re: #53 SoundGuy 2016

I’m going to stop you right there. The RFRA from 93 and today’s Religious Liberty legislation have little if any relation.

I took your comment to mean you were saying “religious liberty” as a concept was just being used by hucksters. If you were referring to some organization or movement I am unaware of then please let me know. I was trying to defend the concept, not some bunch of assholes.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:52:38am

re: #53 SoundGuy 2016

I’m going to stop you right there. The RFRA from 93 and today’s Religious Liberty legislation have little if any relation.

Yes. Kennedy and Schumer definitely did not intend that bill to be used for bigots to use “religious liberty” as an excuse to discriminate against others which is exactly what Cruz intends to use it for.

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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:52:52am

re: #56 Eclectic Cyborg

Wow the comments…

“If you care about issues facing our Great Country like the UN’s Agenda 21, the seeding of the upper atmosphere with hormones and aerosols…

So that’s why my wife keeps attacking me. I thought it was because I looked like Brad Pitt. Damn, I have sadz.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:53:54am

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

I took your comment to mean you were saying “religious liberty” as a concept was just being used by hucksters. If you were referring to some organization or movement I am unaware of then please let me know. I was trying to defend the concept, not some bunch of assholes.

He clearly meant the buzzword. I know you’re a very literal person but I think it was pretty obvious that he was talking about “religious liberty” as opposed to actual religious liberty which is you being able to worship at the church of your choice without worried about being arrested or having to pay taxes for other churches.

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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:55:06am

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

I took your comment to mean you were saying “religious liberty” as a concept was just being used by hucksters. If you were referring to some organization or movement I am unaware of then please let me know. I was trying to defend the concept, not some bunch of assholes.

The concept of religious liberty today is entirely related to bigotry, defending it under the guise of protecting one’s religion. It has nothing to do with the 93 legislation created by liberals with bipartisan support.

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wrenchwench  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:55:35am
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wrenchwench  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:56:17am

re: #61 HappyWarrior

He clearly meant the buzzword. I know you’re a very literal person but I think it was pretty obvious that he was talking about “religious liberty” as opposed to actual religious liberty which is you being able to worship at the church of your choice without worried about being arrested or having to pay taxes for other churches.

Masterful use of “scare quotes”.

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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 19, 2016 • 9:58:51am

I just want to make this country, so, so great.

Facebook Post

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:00:01am

re: #64 wrenchwench

Masterful use of “scare quotes”.

Thanks. I mean actual religious liberty is a wonderful concept and it’s what brought so many of our ancestors including some of my own to this country. But when you’re using your religion as an excuse to discriminate against people i.e. Kim Davis, the numerous “Christian bakers”(there I go again!), etc then you’re just being a dickbag. As I said, I want some devout Catholic or perhaps Muslim or Jewish business owner to use it on a Fundamentalist Christian customer. Despite what they claim, fundamentalist Christians are just as eager to pick and choose certain parts of their religion to follow.

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wrenchwench  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:02:25am

re: #66 HappyWarrior

Thanks. I mean actual religious liberty is a wonderful concept and it’s what brought so many of our ancestors including some of my own to this country. But when you’re using your religion as an excuse to discriminate against people i.e. Kim Davis, the numerous “Christian bakers”(there I go again!), etc then you’re just being a dickbag. As I said, I want some devout Catholic or perhaps Muslim or Jewish business owner to use it on a Fundamentalist Christian customer. Despite what they claim, fundamentalist Christians are just as eager to pick and choose certain parts of their religion to follow.

“What goes in here is usually bullshit” of one flavor or another.

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A Mom Anon  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:04:58am

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

Some of this may have to do with a couple of things:

1) Georgia is in the process of building two new stadiums, one for the Braves and one for the Falcons. The one for the Braves is going to be outside of Atlanta and it’s part of a HUGE complex including housing, shopping, hotels, etc. If these places lose money and fail, it’s going to look really bad for a lot of people.

2) Georgia is priding itself on being “The Number One Place To Do Business” in the country. If we lose the movie business and other industry, a lot of jobs (even shitty ones) are gone.

At the end of the day, this is all about money as far as the objections from any one on the right/conservative/Republicans go. All this bill will do is allow discrimination against gays and allow bullying in schools too. There is NO FREAKING CAMPAIGN AGAINST CHRISTIANS that requires a damned law to be written in the first place.

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whitebeach  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:07:33am

re: #51 Eclectic Cyborg

Solomon Northrup actually. Solomon Grundy is a Superman villain.

Northup, not Northrup. Picky me.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:08:24am

The problem is that many of these Christians see the very existence of same sex marriage as discrimination against them in the first place which is absurd.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:08:38am

re: #65 SoundGuy 2016

No doubt Trump fans will love this.

Half /

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retired cynic  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:09:48am

Martin Longman has a good post today:

boomantribune.com

‘Yet, once Donald Trump came out and said that “Islam hates us” and Muslims shouldn’t be allowed into the country and they should be forced to register with the government and that he might shut down mosques because virtually 100% of them are anti-American?

‘Once Donald Trump said all that, Ismail Fersat got the hint and said, “I’m on the wrong side!­”’

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:10:07am

re: #69 whitebeach

Northup, not Northrup. Picky me.

Ha his mistake was better than mine. That was a terrific movie. I was happy to see Chiwetel Ejiofor in The Martian, he’s a talented guy. Versatile since Solomon and his character in The Martian obviously were very different. Saddens me that Solomon disappeared and a lot of people think he may have been kidnapped back into slavery.

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A Mom Anon  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:11:16am

re: #70 HappyWarrior

Exactly. If they spent half as much time minding their own damned business as they do worrying about “the gay agenda” we’d all be better off.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:11:53am

Over 30 minutes old

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:12:59am

From what I’m reading the Kennedy-Schumer law has its origins protecting Native Americans who use Peyote in ceremonies. That’s very different than I’m a businessman who happens to believe gay people are immoral and I should be able to discriminate against them because of that. Now if we were actually criminalizing membership in a church that believes homosexuality is sinful, they’d have an argument but shocker we don/t We even have pastors that believe in the death penalty for gay people that campaign with Presidential candidates.But yeah so hard being a conservative Christian in Obama’s America. //

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:13:04am
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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:13:51am

re: #68 A Mom Anon

One further complication with the new stadium in Atlanta. It’s being built with no mass transit and away from downtown because the powers that be didn’t think that a serviceable stadium at Turner Field was still good.

There’s so much latent racism involved in the decision behind building the new ballpark that there’s no latency.

The team claims that this move resolves traffic issues and is in the heart of Braves’ country. They moved the team from downtown to an affluent white suburb that has no link to the Atlanta public transit system (MARTA).

Things that make you go hmmm.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:13:55am

re: #74 A Mom Anon

Exactly. If they spent half as much time minding their own damned business as they do worrying about “the gay agenda” we’d all be better off.

If they used even a fraction of that energy freaking out about gays on things like helping their fellow man, the world would be a better place but then again these are the people who defend bullying gay kids in schools under the context of religious liberty.

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Jenner7  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:14:13am

Okay, so here are some pictures from last nights Anti Trump rally. We showed up at the place where Trump was to speak. There were long lines and across were about 20 protesters. We knew more were coming from a block away, so we just waited. About 30 minutes later, about 200 came around the corner. They all joined, then went closer to the Trump supporters.

It was peaceful from my perspective. Apparently they tried to get inside the venue and there was a tiny scuffle. I got to talk to a Trump supporter. He was very nice and asked, “Isn’t Hillary a criminal?” I laughed and said what crime was she convicted of? One lady had a pro Trump sign with the ten commandments on one side. She then called us “Mormons”. I yelled back that just because we’re from Utah, doesn’t mean we’re LDS. She then apologized. It was really a wild night and my kids got to see democracy in action.

His family were passing these out. He was shot by police a couple weeks ago.
These ladies were Hillary supporters, we were in the minority. Most of protesters were pro Bernie.
He was walking among the protesters. The other side was about Hillary and it was obscene, so I didn’t take a picture.
There was also a sign “Mormons against Trump”
This was when they came around the corner and joined the others
Hard to see, says, “Will trade 1 Trump for 10,000 refugees”
And my favorite…
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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:14:47am

Oh a sports fan note, if I were a Georgian, I’d be furious at the Braves for demanding a new stadium already. Turner Field is only 20 years old.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:16:35am

re: #56 Eclectic Cyborg

Wow the comments…

“If you care about issues facing our Great Country like the UN’s Agenda 21, the seeding of the upper atmosphere with hormones and aerosols, the plans to put US citizens in concentration camps to make room for immigrants, and the general transformation of the office of presidency into Apologizer in Chief, then you should stand with us and scream MAGA into the wind! If not, you’re a coward and low energy Dumbocrat who doesn’t give a SHI!T about this Country. You can unnimbly navigate your way right to Canada, you commie.”

No wonder the GOP hates mental health care. If such a thing was widely available much of their base would be in padded cells screaming at the invisible demons forcing them to be liberals.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:18:11am

re: #80 Jenner7

Thanks for reporting & going. Was waiting for your post.

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Great White Snark  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:21:56am

re: #68 A Mom Anon

There is no class more clearly privileged that American white Christians. At every imaginable level. What is under assault is evangelical forays into secular behavior. The upsetting part, the anger trigger there is that this is a massive reversal in American culture. Which, in my uncertain view is what maybe makes evangelicals attack Muslims rather than adopt/ally them as fellow social conservatives. Butthurt over the change and they resent the rest having any.

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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:22:31am

re: #80 Jenner7

That you for rioting and oppressing all those freedom loving patriots.

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stpaulbear  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:22:33am

re: #76 HappyWarrior

From what I’m reading the Kennedy-Schumer law has its origins protecting Native Americans who use Peyote in ceremonies. That’s very different than I’m a businessman who happens to believe gay people are immoral and I should be able to discriminate against them because of that. Now if we were actually criminalizing membership in a church that believes homosexuality is sinful, they’d have an argument but shocker we don/t We even have pastors that believe in the death penalty for gay people that campaign with Presidential candidates.But yeah so hard being a conservative Christian in Obama’s America. //

Yep. At least one of the very worst homophobic pastors has shared a stage and been supported by Ted Cruz. Cruz is up to his neck with them.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:22:42am

re: #62 SoundGuy 2016

These days the second I hear the term ‘religious liberty’ my brain edits out the ‘liberty’ and replaces it with ‘power’.

Because that is the actual meaning of the phrase.

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Great White Snark  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:23:58am

re: #80 Jenner7

Well done! +1 from me.

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Jenner7  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:24:22am

We’re going to stop by Ted Cruz’s stop in Provo later today. Be back tonight. Have a good day, Lizards.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:25:15am

re: #86 stpaulbear

Yep. At least one of the very worst homophobic pastors has shared a stage and been supported by Ted Cruz. Cruz is up to his neck with them.

Exactly which is why the GOP pretending to be outraged at Trump’s bigotry is so fucking hilarious to me. Oh so you’re support this guy instead? I mean fuck Trump but fuck Cruz too for standing for the same bigoted spirit. The GOP only doesn’t want Trump because Trump is someone they know will not only be a disaster at the top of the ticket but its bottom too. It’s not just genuine sincere disgust with bigotry otherwise they wouldn’t back Cruz to “save” the GOP and conservatism.

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A Mom Anon  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:26:49am

re: #78 lawhawk

I know, lol, I live in that area. The traffic is already awful, with the construction it’s insane and once that’s done, when there’s an event it’s going to be horrendous. Then there’s the actual price of going to a game of any sort now. For me, The Husband and the Kid to go to a game is 150 bucks just to get in the door. This doesn’t include parking, food and drink or buying a t-shirt or some novelty. It’s priced out of middle class budgets. It’s been like that for a long time with most sports, from NASCAR to the NFL. Now that Turner Field is being shut down, there’s a big fight over what to do with that property. I can almost bet it will be left to rot and then purchased on the cheap to build luxury condos or some such thing. This is all on top of the racist bullshit that led to these decisions, let alone the lack of tax dollars that will benefit the people who live here. Cobb county may be rich, but our schools still suck, we have infrastructure problems and when something new comes into an area, there’s never consideration for the people being displaced. I don’t see it changing any time soon.

There’s also a soccer team coming here, I don’t know where they’ll be playing or if they are planning on building new stuff for that either.

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Great White Snark  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:27:13am

WW, ever try a harness on a Manx? My Maine Coon is cool with it but we had a hissing fest with Cinnamon. Rule change here, cats gotta be on leashes outside.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:28:25am

Live helicopter footage from Trump Arizona event road blockage.
Looks like there are now multiple demonstrations blocking road access
abc15.com

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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:29:57am
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wrenchwench  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:31:43am

re: #92 Great White Snark

WW, ever try a harness on a Manx? My Maine Coon is cool with it but we had a hissing fest with Cinnamon. Rule change here, cats gotta be on leashes outside.

Yes. He wore it fine, but on our outdoor excursion, he was startled by something, and Mr. w, who was holding him, still has a scar.

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stpaulbear  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:35:46am

re: #91 A Mom Anon

When a friend of mine told me how much it costs him to come to town and see a Vikings game, I didn’t feel so bad about being a vinyl (and CD) junkie. I can’t imagine paying that much to see the freakin’ Vikings.

[edit: friend, not fiend]

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:38:07am

This is all in Sheriff Arpaio’s jurisdiction apparently…
And, it seems many of the demonstrators have secured themselves to the vehicles so they can’t be simply towed out of the way.

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A Mom Anon  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:38:17am

re: #81 HappyWarrior

It’s ridiculous. I bet if one could access the deals made here that someone’s getting really rich off this while everyone else gets screwed. Pro sports organizations should have to foot the entire bill for this crap. If they want it, they should buy it and pay fucking taxes too. That’s what people just fail to grasp, we, the residents of this county and state foot the bill for this crap and the rich assholes in charge take the profits. There are big claims about JOBS, but most of those, once construction is over, will be service jobs paying less than 10 dollars an hour.

And Lawhawk was right about another thing too, MARTA, our public transportation hub to and from Atlanta (Cobb has it’s own, very limited bus line) has been fighting for years to extend into this area and wealthy people cringe at the thought and fight it with lots of attorneys and money. Oh, it’s ok to hire “those people” to work in their homes and yards and stores and restaurants, but providing decent transportation to make their lives better and simpler? Well we can have none of that here. Nope.

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stpaulbear  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:39:21am

re: #97 FormerDirtDart

This is all in Sheriff Arpaio’s jurisdiction apparently…
And, it seems many of the demonstrators have secured themselves to the vehicles so they can’t be simply towed out of the way.

[Embedded content]

That’s pretty ballsy.

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wrenchwench  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:40:06am

re: #97 FormerDirtDart

This is all in Sheriff Arpaio’s jurisdiction apparently…
And, it seems many of the demonstrators have secured themselves to the vehicles so they can’t be simply towed out of the way.

[Embedded content]

It’s his home town, too. He lives in Fountain Hills.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:41:33am

re: #100 wrenchwench

It’s his home town, too. He lives in Fountain Hills.

Yeah, Arpaio was just on the phone with MSNBC, now CNN

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Charles Johnson  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:41:39am
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Charles Johnson  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:42:03am
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Charles Johnson  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:44:40am

Rage Furby’s post about Gawker is absolutely hysterical. Sometimes I think this guy can’t possibly be for real, but I know he is.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:45:08am
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wrenchwench  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:46:58am

He’s been interesting, but it may be time to unfollow.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:50:02am
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Great White Snark  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:51:28am

re: #95 wrenchwench

Yes. He wore it fine, but on our outdoor excursion, he was startled by something, and Mr. w, who was holding him, still has a scar.

Yeah, that breed seems to panic/bolt really extra hard. They just don’t feel safer near us or in hand. I’m afraid to not have a break away and afraid to have one. I’m thinking a harness is safe without but this cat is just lightning barely contained. And that’s with long play sessions. Or she becomes a strictly indoor kitty which is far from all bad around here.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:53:37am

Hmm, hadn’t considered the protest preventing Trump from getting to event, guess he should have laid on a helicopter…

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Tigger2  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:55:42am
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wrenchwench  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:55:48am

re: #108 Great White Snark

Yeah, that breed seems to panic/bolt really extra hard. They just don’t feel safer near us or in hand. I’m afraid to not have a break away and afraid to have one. I’m thinking a harness is safe without but this cat is just lightning barely contained. And that’s with long play sessions. Or she becomes a strictly indoor kitty which is far from all bad around here.

Our Manx is really strong. Both are indoors only. They fight me a little over their baths. We want to do more outdoor stuff, but it’s been a few years and Mr. w hasn’t recovered yet. :)

The birds and lizards will appreciate your new rule.

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Tigger2  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:58:07am

re: #111 wrenchwench

Our Manx is really strong. Both are indoors only. They fight me a little over their baths. We want to do more outdoor stuff, but it’s been a few years and Mr. w hasn’t recovered yet. :)

The birds and lizards will appreciate your new rule.

If I even tried to give my cat a bath I wouldn’t have a neck left on my shoulders.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:58:55am

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

I made my own peace with gayness back in 2003 and have kept that peace since then.

Yet, every time gays make some improvement in their legal equality status you find some pretext for opposing it. Why?

re: #707 soxfan4life

Agreed, or they’ll simply argue that a conscience exception violates their rights. The more militant gays are far leftists seeking to make traditionalism illegal.

re: #29 Gus 802

As I said on the previous thread, I don’t want to use it as a purity test either, but it is a good statement of conservative principles. As for DoMA, I’d have to say that you can walk over that one, Gus. The party base supports it, so the party needs to support it.

re: #253 rollwave87

Yeah, I’m gonna tell you that: You and your boyfriend should not be allowed to call your union “marriage” as a legal term. You may have a civil union, but I believe that the term marriage is to be reserved for unions of a man and a woman. This is what I believe.

How about that time you wanted the DADT repeal stripped out of the Defense Reauthorization Act because you needed money immediately.

re: #482 Fozzie Bear

It was a good compromise in its time, but its time is ending. But further changes will take time and I don’t want the Defense Authorization bill held hostage to DADT. Pull it off and vote on it separately. The military needs to the money, and so do I. Passing that bill is important to letting the military attend the events I sell.

That last one is really funny because A.) you’re now prepared to vote for Ted Cruz despite your earlier statement that you wouldn’t support him, and B.) despite knowing how it felt when your own bottom line was threatened, it doesn’t seem to concern you at all that Ted shut down the government on a fools’ crusade to end Obamacare. That shutdown cost millions of people the money they needed to get by, hurting them in a much more painful way that whatever theoretical pinch you felt when your party didn’t want to allow gays to serve openly in the military. Yet here you are, supporting the rank homophobe who instigated the entire debacle, pretending that you’ve “made your own peace with gayness.”

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Great White Snark  Mar 19, 2016 • 10:58:57am

re: #111 wrenchwench

Our Manx is really strong. Both are indoors only. They fight me a little over their baths. We want to do more outdoor stuff, but it’s been a few years and Mr. w hasn’t recovered yet. :)

The birds and lizards will appreciate your new rule.

Bath a Manx?! Oh you are good. We just do the damp sponge thing. I’m sure you are right about the critters, but must admit Pepper haz a sad over it.

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mmmirele  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:00:29am

re: #103 Charles Johnson

It’s not an interstate. It’s Shea Boulevard, which is either a four or six lane highway from eastern Phoenix to the Beeline Highway and goes through Scottsdale and Fountain Hills. It has stop lights.

(Source: Me, I used to drive Shea to the Beeline to get to Mesa when I worked in Scottsdale. Even though it was several miles longer than the freeway, it was faster.)

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:02:27am

I’m watching a live shot, looks like they cut that young lady off of the van, watching it get loaded onto a flatbed

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Great White Snark  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:02:33am

re: #115 mmmirele

I’m hoping we can protest trump without civil disobedience. Hold the high ground. But this kind of thing almost always gets thicker than what might be wise.

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No Depression  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:02:47am

re: #103 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Rod Dreher must be shaking in his Benedictine boots right now.

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Great White Snark  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:04:04am

re: #97 FormerDirtDart

This is all in Sheriff Arpaio’s jurisdiction apparently…
And, it seems many of the demonstrators have secured themselves to the vehicles so they can’t be simply towed out of the way.

[Embedded content]

Almost rather risk a Tijuana jail. Yikes.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:05:13am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:05:40am

re: #37 gwangung

Coastes had a long, very good article on this:

theatlantic.com

I like Coates, a lot.

He helps this old white guy who grew up in the whitest of white places understand a little of what it’s like not to be Whitey McWhiteguy. In reading his stuff, I often find myself saying, ‘Oh, yeah! I hadn’t thought of that!’. It’s often hard, having marinated in privilege all your life, to see that privilege, and the effects of it on other people. I feel like he gets where I’m coming from, and helps me to understand where he’s coming from.

In this article, the key ideas that struck me are that guys have a prerogative not to be handsome while women don’t have an equivalent prerogative not to be ‘pretty’; the idea that Nina Simone could not get cast in her own biopic; and that it doesn’t have to be intentional on the part of the guys who made the movie to have negative impact..

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Great White Snark  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:06:10am

re: #76 HappyWarrior

From what I’m reading the Kennedy-Schumer law has its origins protecting Native Americans who use Peyote in ceremonies. That’s very different than I’m a businessman who happens to believe gay people are immoral and I should be able to discriminate against them because of that. Now if we were actually criminalizing membership in a church that believes homosexuality is sinful, they’d have an argument but shocker we don/t We even have pastors that believe in the death penalty for gay people that campaign with Presidential candidates.But yeah so hard being a conservative Christian in Obama’s America. //

Also worth noting-The Native Americans are being permitted to do a thing, being unobstructed. The other side of this wants citizens to be able to obstruct the behavior.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:09:46am

Wait, Rage Furby - I thought Michelle Fields was supposed to be lying about being roughed up…

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stpaulbear  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:15:19am

re: #116 FormerDirtDart

I’m watching a live shot, looks like they cut that young lady off of the van, watching it get loaded onto a flatbed

Did they cut the lock or cut the window surround off of her van? They could have been pretty evil in separating her from the vehicle.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:19:36am

re: #15 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

So God is white? I had no idea. //

Good afternoon, lizards. Just stopping by to drop this off because it made me snicker:

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:19:59am

re: #124 stpaulbear

Did they cut the lock or cut the window surround off of her van? They could have been pretty evil in separating her from the vehicle.

Video was shot from a helicopter, but the vehicle looked intact

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blueraven  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:21:41am

Hmm…I don’t think this tactic of shutting down traffic is a particularly effective one.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:23:30am
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Charles Johnson  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:26:03am

Instagram

bear disguise is useful in scaring the humans away during the morning hours #maymo #maymoindisguise #bear #bears

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CuriousLurker  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:30:45am

Also too—found these Trump cartoons while surfing around last night:

…My God! How could Trump and Cruz have happened?

De-evolution of the G.O.P….

Drawing Flies.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:33:24am
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Dr. Matt  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:34:07am
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sagehen  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:35:10am

re: #127 blueraven

Hmm…I don’t think this tactic of shutting down traffic is a particularly effective one.

Gee… you don’t think that’s impede the arrival of a guy with a helicopter?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:35:16am

now that there has been some voting, we can see what the republican party is really made of:

35% true believers in the fantasy of the conservative agenda and the inevitable imposition of a christian theocracy
20% nice polite people who just want the government to be run for the sake of multinational corporation
45% fuck that shit we want a fascist leader who will impose racist policies

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:35:27am

No one else getting allowed into trump event, earlier reports had a very large number of protesters in the separated crowd near the road.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:36:34am

The symbolism of Trump speaking in front of a huge fake lake with a giant fountain in the middle of a desert is perfect. Everything about this scene is fake.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:36:55am

re: #135 FormerDirtDart

No one else getting allowed into trump event, earlier reports had a very large number of protesters in the separated crowd near the road.

[Embedded content]

We have millions of people here!

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wrenchwench  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:43:39am

re: #112 Tigger2

If I even tried to give my cat a bath I wouldn’t have a neck left on my shoulders.

re: #114 Great White Snark

Bath a Manx?! Oh you are good. We just do the damp sponge thing. I’m sure you are right about the critters, but must admit Pepper haz a sad over it.

Had to bathe them as kittens from the pound because one of them had ringworm. The Manx now sits on the edge of the tub when I shower (behind the curtain so he doesn’t get wet.) Since they were accustomed to it, I just kept it up. It’s time for a bath for them now, because they’re shedding like crazy.

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urbanmeemaw  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:43:53am

re: #6 HappyWarrior

So in an OT note. Brooklyn is a nice movie.

I thought it was a cinematic symphony, lyrical and poetic. It was set in the town my grandfather lived in prior to immigrating to America and that made the movie all the more special to me.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:45:48am

Actually watching live footage of Trump motorcade driving around traffic on road shoulder. then the cops blocked traffic to give motorcade priority

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Scout  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:48:13am

Hi folks,

Last fall, Trump was talking about deporting “all” illegal immigrants, like 11 million, 15 million, human beings.

I haven’t heard anything about it lately.

Has that “promise” disappeared? Just wondering, because that pledge was so stupid and evil, but it seems like every one has forgotten about it. (Replaced by new outrages.)

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:48:17am

Yawn

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:48:47am

re: #131 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

And one of them actually bit Ted Cruz, according to Ted Cruz…

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Great White Snark  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:49:03am

re: #136 Charles Johnson

The symbolism of Trump speaking in front of a huge fake lake with a giant fountain in the middle of a desert is perfect. Everything about this scene is fake.

Well as an unintentional oversight I’d bet… Except the protesters.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:51:30am
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Stanley Sea  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:55:00am

Heading out. Ya’ll have a great day!

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Tigger2  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:55:33am

re: #146 Stanley Sea

Heading out. Ya’ll have a great day!

Later

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ObserverArt  Mar 19, 2016 • 11:57:17am

re: #141 Scout

Hi folks,

Last fall, Trump was talking about deporting “all” illegal immigrants, like 11 million, 15 million, human beings.

I haven’t heard anything about it lately.

Has that “promise” disappeared? Just wondering, because that pledge was so stupid and evil, but it seems like every one has forgotten about it. (Replaced by new outrages.)

I think that has been accepted as part of his policy. He no longer need mention it, his followers take it for granted. Like The Wall. Like ISIS, Like Trade and Chy-na.

Trump said he would make it great you know. And since he tells it like it is, it will be done!

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Dr. Matt  Mar 19, 2016 • 12:01:57pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2016 • 12:06:04pm
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mar 19, 2016 • 12:09:26pm

Man, Trump is off his game, just repeating one liners with nothing in between.

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stpaulbear  Mar 19, 2016 • 12:12:46pm

re: #151 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Man, Trump is off his game, just repeating one liners with nothing in between.

I bet he had a lot to say when he was stuck in traffic.

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EPR-radar  Mar 19, 2016 • 2:02:19pm

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

I don’t defend the “exclude the gays” provisions inserted into some recent state Religious Freedom Restoration Acts, and the Illinois RFRA is an older version that does not contain such provisions nor does Gov. Rauner support its amending to include said provisions.

So I can’t answer your question because I do not know the answer. I made my own peace with gayness back in 2003 and have kept that peace since then.

Presumably this means you no longer include so-con anti-gay slurs in your talking points for supporting the GOP.

This doesn’t mean much when each and every vote for the GOP is a vote to strengthen the position of the so-con bigots in the GOP.

One of those so-con bigots just happens to be Ted Cruz, who is endorsed by the National Organization for Marriage, an anti-gay hate group.


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