Another Trump Supporter Charged With Assaulting Protester in Tucson

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A little more than a week after a Donald Trump supporter was charged with assault and battery in North Carolina, another Trump supporter has been arrested and charged in Tucson, Arizona after a brutal attack on a protester at Trump’s rally.

A man who reportedly punched and kicked a protestor at a rally for Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump was arrested and charged with assault with injury, ABC News reported Sunday.

Tony Pettway, who was allegedly seen in a video punching a protestor as he was being escorted out of a Trump rally Saturday in Arizona, was arrested at the event and charged before being released.

The protestor was wearing an American flag shirt and holding up a sign of Trump that said, “Trump is Bad for America.”

In a video posted on Twitter, the Trump supporter appears to have tried to grab the poster out of the protestor’s hand and proceeded to punch and kick him. The attacker was handcuffed by police.

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332 comments

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:33:42pm

Sure looks like POTUS is holding his own umbrella.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:37:10pm
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Nyet  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:37:26pm

So, Ehrman has a new book out and it’s on reliability of oral traditions.

I’m intrigued.

amazon.com

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Charles Johnson  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:38:17pm

Instagram

A farmer approaching foreigners to offer them a tour on horseback near Viñales, at Cuba’s northernmost end. Tourism is inescapable in today’s Cuba. Selfies on the Malecon. Shots of classic cars. Che T-shirts. For Cubans, this is the highest rung in the emerging economic order, for now. And so they scrape together what they can to offer services outside their areas of specialization. Here, doctors drive cabs, engineers hawk tamales and working farmers hustle to sell horse rides to travelers.

As President @barackobama travels to #Cuba for a 3-day visit — the first by a sitting president in 88 years — we’re sharing photos from a recent journey across the country by @nytimes journalists. Visit the link in our profile to see the full photo essay. #nytweekender

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:38:59pm

Question for the group: How does the fact that this time around the thuggish Trump supporter appears to be non-white and he assaulted a white protester change things in terms of the arguments made and the insults flung?

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nines09  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:40:02pm

No one may speak ill of Il Duce.

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Nyet  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:40:25pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

Question for the group: How does the fact that this time around the thuggish Trump supporter appears to be non-white and he assaulted a white protester change things in terms of the arguments made and the insults flung?

Nothing. We are not making conclusions from a single data point.

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b.d.  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:41:08pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

It really is unbelievable that PBO is in Cuba, I wasn’t sure I would live to see the day.

What a great president.

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allegro  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:41:45pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

Question for the group: How does the fact that this time around the thuggish Trump supporter appears to be non-white and he assaulted a white protester change things in terms of the arguments made and the insults flung?

Working on justifying your vote for Trump in November?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:43:36pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:45:11pm

re: #7 Nyet

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

Considering how big a role Pope Francis played this whole thing, and his actions on many other things, I hope he get the Nobel Peace Prize.

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Nyet  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:46:01pm

re: #11 Ziggy_TARDIS

Considering how big a role Pope Francis played this whole thing, and his actions on many other things, I hope he get the Nobel Peace Prize.

Considering his actions on many other things, I hope not.

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mmmirele  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:46:43pm

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Glad to see Jeff Flake on that list. There are few things I have agreed with Senator Flake on, but he gets a double thumbs’ up attaboy for pushing normalization of relations with Cuba against his party.

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EPR-radar  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:47:39pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

Question for the group: How does the fact that this time around the thuggish Trump supporter appears to be non-white and he assaulted a white protester change things in terms of the arguments made and the insults flung?

As indicated above, this changes nothing.

Also, I’d be curious to know what you have in mind by “insults flung”. By now it is pretty much impossible to insult Trump and Trump’s campaign, because the simple truth is so damning.

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Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:47:46pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

Question for the group: How does the fact that this time around the thuggish Trump supporter appears to be non-white and he assaulted a white protester change things in terms of the arguments made and the insults flung?

It doesn’t. Trump is pushing the idea at every rally that people like the victim are “the enemy,” people who are working to “shut him up” and thus keep America down. Trump remains a proto-fascist thug and his supporters on the same level as those in interwar Europe who bought into the idea that a strongman was the answer to all their ills.

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allegro  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:48:03pm

re: #13 mmmirele

Glad to see Jeff Flake on that list. There are few things I have agreed with Senator Flake on, but he gets a double thumbs’ up attaboy for pushing normalization of relations with Cuba against his party.

Pleased to see my rep Al Green on that list as well.

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b.d.  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:48:23pm

re: #12 Nyet

Considering his actions on many other things, I hope not.

He just fired the guy who set up that trap meeting with him and Kim Davis btw.

politicususa.com

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:48:33pm

2 notes:
1. Calvin Coolidge went to Cuba aboard the USS Texas, which is still preserved in La Porte, TX. The website for her Texas State Historic Site is here.

2. How pissed is UpChuck gonna be that Pres. Obama made reference to Pres. Coolidge is a less-than-reverent manner? Even though I’m certain Obama wasn’t being disrespectful, I fully expect Chuckles to say that Obama was “bashing” Silent Cal.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:49:03pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

Question for the group: How does the fact that this time around the thuggish Trump supporter appears to be non-white and he assaulted a white protester change things in terms of the arguments made and the insults flung?

I’d love to hear whatever point you’re cryptically alluding to here, if you’re brave enough to try and make it.

Is it that this one incident should or will act as a kind of racial deodorant for the Trump campaign, whitewashing their racist attacks on ethnic and religious minorities by providing a counter example of a minority supporter who assaulted a liberal white guy?

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BeachDem  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:49:45pm

re: #16 allegro

Pleased to see my rep Al Green on that list as well.

The only one from my state is Mark Sanford. Sigh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:50:06pm

re: #18 Dark_Falcon

Rage Furby is too busy transforming into a Trump supporter and justifying throwing Cruz under the bus.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:50:22pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

Question for the group: How does the fact that this time around the thuggish Trump supporter appears to be non-white and he assaulted a white protester change things in terms of the arguments made and the insults flung?

Are you implying that this is supposed to somehow insulate Trump from accusations of racism?

Because it doesn’t.

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Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:51:04pm

re: #19 goddamnedfrank

I’d love to hear whatever point you’re cryptically alluding to here, if you’re brave enough to try and make it.

Is it that this one incident should or will act as a kind of racial deodorant for the Trump campaign, whitewashing their racist attacks on ethnic and religious minorities by providing a counter example of a minority supporter who assaulted a liberal white guy?

I wouldn’t be surprised, if I checked the usual suspects, to hear that this one act is somehow “proof” that either A) Trump is not racist/appealing to racists or B) that the violence at Trump rallies is being perpetrated by “plants” because it was a black guy beating up a white liberal.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:51:12pm

re: #14 EPR-radar

As indicated above, this changes nothing.

Also, I’d be curious to know what you have in mind by “insults flung”. By now it is pretty much impossible to insult Trump and Trump’s campaign, because the simple truth is so damning.

“Insults flung” also refers to insults flung by Trumpeters at those protesting.

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Belafon  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:51:16pm

“See, Trump has a black supporter, therefore he can’take be racist.”

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Charles Johnson  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:52:08pm

Instagram

Teenagers on roller skates hold on to each other as they are pulled by a vintage car to move along a street in Havana, Cuba March 19, 2016. REUTERS/Ivan Alvarado #cuba #teenagers #rollerskating #ReutersPhotos #Havana #picoftheday

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b.d.  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:52:15pm

re: #20 BeachDem

The only one from my state is Mark Sanford. Sigh.

Sanford has shown an interest in Latin relations before.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:52:20pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

Are you implying that this is supposed to somehow insulate Trump from accusations of racism?

Because it doesn’t.

No it doesn’t, but I’m curious to see if Trump supporters say that it does.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:54:27pm

Uh-oh, it looks like it could be contentious whether the UK stays in the EU.

I hope he British aren’t so thick as to vote to exit.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:54:37pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Chuck will take credit. You know. Because Coolige matters!

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:55:07pm

re: #28 Dark_Falcon

No it doesn’t, but I’m curious to see if Trump supporters say that it does.

That’s like being curious to see if the sun will rise in the East tomorrow.

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EPR-radar  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:57:31pm

re: #28 Dark_Falcon

No it doesn’t, but I’m curious to see if Trump supporters say that it does.

Of course they will. What does it matter? Trump supporters are supporting Trump as a way to take their mostly unjustified resentments out on the rest of the country in a way that is completely indefensible.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:58:17pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

Question for the group: How does the fact that this time around the thuggish Trump supporter appears to be non-white and he assaulted a white protester change things in terms of the arguments made and the insults flung?

No change at all. It doesn’t change the fact that Donald Trump is using fascist rhetoric and is extolling his followers to commit acts of violence against anyone protesting him.

Think of it this way - EVERY instance of violence at Presidential political rallies have occurred on behalf of only one candidate - Trump. In fact, I can’t recall a single instance during the past five cycles where this sort of behavior happened.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:58:35pm

re: #31 goddamnedfrank

That’s like being curious to see if the sun will rise in the East tomorrow.

Given how crazy the world is these days, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the sun rising in the North one of these days.

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Nyet  Mar 20, 2016 • 3:59:31pm

re: #17 b.d.

If the news is confirmed, as expected, Archbishop Pierre will succeed the Italian Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, who reached the statutory retirement age on Jan. 16.

americamagazine.org

But even if it were true that this replacement was caused by the Davis episode (and I have yet to see anything reliable on that), that doesn’t excuse any of the bigoted shit he spews.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:00:22pm
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Dr. Matt  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:00:33pm
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jaunte  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:01:27pm
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Dr. Matt  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:01:59pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:02:19pm

DUMBASS OF THE DAY
Voting rights are the complete exact opposite of slavery

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:03:32pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

Question for the group: How does the fact that this time around the thuggish Trump supporter appears to be non-white and he assaulted a white protester change things in terms of the arguments made and the insults flung?

What difference does it make what race the thug and the victim are? Trump has created an atmosphere at his KKK rallies in which his supporters are encouraged by him to punch protesters in the face or otherwise engage in violence. That’s the issue. Trump has made many statements which show that he is bigoted (against Mexicans, Muslims) and has a history of anti-Black behavior as documented in several articles.
huffingtonpost.com

The fact that Republicans are voting for Trump in large numbers and that he may be their candidate is shameful for Republicans. I don’t see how you guys live this down.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:06:02pm

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

Given how crazy the world is these days, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the sun rising in the North one of these days.

I know you’re trying to be cute and funny and keep things light, but this is actually what Republicans do, you project your own collective insanity onto the world around you. The upcoming generations are steadily getting smarter, less racist, less sexist, less religiously intolerant, less homophobic, and less militant over time. That you look at that and see a world gone crazy speaks volumes.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:06:28pm

re: #40 The Vicious Babushka

The slaves of the 1800s were also beaten, tortured, raped and killed.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:06:32pm

re: #40 The Vicious Babushka

More like Republican racism explained in one tweet. What does voting for Democratic politicians who at least feign interest in Black concerns have to do with slavery? Shows how twisted Republican thinking is when they equate voting with being enslaved.

By the way, what outreach have Republicans offered to Blacks to get their votes? Look at who they’re about to nominate to run as President!

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b.d.  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:06:57pm

re: #35 Nyet

americamagazine.org

But even if it were true that this replacement was caused by the Davis episode (and I have yet to see anything reliable on that), that doesn’t excuse any of the bigoted shit he spews.

Ok, understood.

I originally got the fired story from a diary at DK:

dailykos.com

which uses a linked story which mentions this:

Viganò turned 75 in January; when bishops and archbishops reach that age, they are required to submit a letter of resignation to the Vatican. Not all such resignations are accepted, and some clergy members continue their work for many more years, but it appears that Viganò will not.

advocate.com

Francis is a vast improvement but I agree with you that there is still a long way to go.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:09:18pm

re: #25 Belafon

“See, Trump has a black supporter, therefore he can’take be racist.”

He also has Herman “999” Cain and Dr. Ben “Sleepy” Carson. He can be racist and have Black supporters. It just shows that some Blacks are dumb enough to support someone who obviously holds their race in contempt.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:09:27pm
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b.d.  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:09:47pm

re: #39 Dr. Matt

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Nixon going to RED China in 1972 was a lot bigger deal than this imho, republicans should stfu.

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allegro  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:10:36pm

re: #46 Patricia Kayden

He also has Herman “999” Cain and Dr. Ben “Sleepy” Carson. He can be racist and have Black supporters. It just shows that some Blacks are dumb enough to support someone who obviously holds their race in contempt.

Ditto his women supporters.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:10:44pm

re: #39 Dr. Matt

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Don’t even need to go that far. The Taliban with Reagan in the White House will suffice.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:10:59pm

re: #47 The Vicious Babushka

What racism?

*spit*

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Stanley Sea  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:14:23pm
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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:14:51pm

re: #42 goddamnedfrank

Don’t try to psychoanalyze me in that fashion. It’s not fully informed, true, or polite.

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Nyet  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:15:08pm

re: #45 b.d.

This is sorta interesting because I’ve read very carefully through the PoliticsUSA and the Advocate stories, and nowhere do they cite evidence for the cause of the replacement (or I am having a big brainfart).

PoliticsUSa says that it’s acc. to the Vatican sources cited in the Advocate piece, but I see no Vatican sources cited for this particular claim in the Advocate piece. PoliticsUSA keeps citing he words ‘pissed off the Pope’ with quote marks, implying it’s what some source said, but I don’t see what source this is supposed to be.

Seems like a piece of fan-fiction journamalism.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:15:24pm

re: #52 Stanley Sea

Is he going to scream at a chair again?

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:15:39pm
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Nojay UK  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:15:57pm

re: #50 GlutenFreeJesus

Don’t even need to go that far. The Taliban with Reagan in the White House will suffice.

The Mujahadeen leaders who were invited into the White House and photographed with Reagan were not Taliban or Taliban supporters, at least not then. Afghanistan back then was more complex than soundbites and snapshots and gotchas.

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jaunte  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:17:39pm

Fox news, encouraging violence:

Fox regular, Sheriff David Clarke, of Milwaukee, inserted himself into Trump protests in Arizona and New York, urging, “reasonable force by law enforcement” and also “law-abiding citizens standing up for their Constitutional right. … I’m not encouraging them to start the fight but I’m one of those that comes from the school of if a fight is inevitable, hit first and hit hard.”

“CLARKE: The daily press has misidentified them from the beginning and they do so intentionally. The liberal mainstream media’s nothing more than a propaganda wing for the Democrat Party. I identified these individuals for who they really are well over a year ago. I call ‘em anarchists. It’s a conglomeration of misfits. You have rowdy juveniles, you have criminals, you have cop haters, you have university students, you have organized labor and there’s a spattering of well-intentioned people who are being used in this and put out front to put on a good face.

This is a dangerous movement. It is a totalitarian movement. We should not soft-shoe this. They only understand one thing, Tucker, and it’s force. And I’m talking about reasonable force by law enforcement but I’m also talking about law-abiding citizens standing up for their Constitutional right and not have their Constitutional rights trampled on at these rallies. I’m not encouraging them to start the fight but I’m one of those that comes from the school of if a fight is inevitable, hit first and hit hard.”

freakoutnation.com

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b.d.  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:17:49pm

re: #52 Stanley Sea

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LOL, Eastwood?

Just when you thought Trump couldn’t make the wingnuts look any sillier they’re adding cars to the crazy train.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:18:37pm

re: #49 allegro

Ditto his women supporters.

And his Latino supporters. I was surprised to see a poll which shows that 30% of Latinos would vote for him in November. That’s shocking to me.

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Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:19:07pm

re: #40 The Vicious Babushka

DUMBASS OF THE DAY
Voting rights are the complete exact opposite of slavery

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“You black folks are too dumb and needy to understand that you’re being kept on a plantation by the Democrats! You should come to join us in the GOP, where we’ve spent decades scaring our voter base with the idea that black guys are coming to break into their homes, take their jobs, rape their women, and sell their kids drugs.”

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Nyet  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:20:18pm

Clint should just talk to the empty hair.

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allegro  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:21:23pm

re: #58 jaunte

Fox news, encouraging violence:

freakoutnation.com

Hit first and make the fight inevitable. The rest is just bullshit to try and justify their lust for violence.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:21:42pm

re: #57 Nojay UK

For those the comeback is directed towards, “they’re all the same”.

We all know they can’t understand nuance or complexity regarding world affairs. Or anything for that matter.

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allegro  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:22:17pm

re: #60 Patricia Kayden

And his Latino supporters. I was surprised to see a poll which shows that 30% of Latinos would vote for him in November. That’s shocking to me.

Was it a Fox poll?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:22:23pm

re: #48 b.d.

The only way that will be top is if/when reconciliation with Iran occurs.

Which might not be that far off.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:24:26pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:25:01pm
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Bubblehead II  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:25:49pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

Question for the group: How does the fact that this time around the thuggish Trump supporter appears to be non-white and he assaulted a white protester change things in terms of the arguments made and the insults flung?

It doesn’t. A tRump thug is still a thug regardless of racial background. DF admit it. Your party has degenerated into nothing more than a pack of thugs. How you can still in good conscious support them is beyond me. Hell, McConnell has even admitted that the republican party is taking orders from another group of thugs, the NRA, that one of the main reasons they refuse to hold hearings on Judge Garlands nomination is because they don’t like him. How do you like being a member of a bought an paid for political party? Because I ask you now and will brook no bullshit. Do you stand with this Country (and all its warts) or the republican party (and the various social cancers it brings.) The choice is simple. Country or party Make it and make it now.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:26:14pm

re: #58 jaunte

And Republicans are perfectly fine with using violence to silence Protesters at Trump rallies now I suppose since it has become the norm and not the exception. Where are the Republicans condemning Trump for his encouragement of violence? In which first world country do you have people running for office using violence against Protesters as a routine part of their campaigning?

Republicans cannot walk this back.

P.S. Good to see Eastwood coming out and supporting Trump. Now I know whose movies to boycott.

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Ming5000  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:26:41pm

538 Arizona polling:
2016 Primary Forecasts
D Arizona Democratic primary

Shows the Feb 29 uptick for HRC
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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:26:51pm

re: #57 Nojay UK

The Mujahadeen leaders who were invited into the White House and photographed with Reagan were not Taliban or Taliban supporters, at least not then. Afghanistan back then was more complex than soundbites and snapshots and gotchas.

Just so. To simply label that photo “Reagan meeting with Taliban Leaders!!1” is to display a Fox News-like disregard for timing and details.

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allegro  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:27:06pm

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Havana Libre… Cuba Libre… I think I will! (As if I needed an excuse.)

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Nyet  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:27:14pm

Wiki:

The Congregation presents the bishop’s offer of resignation to the pope, who has a range of options from rejecting the offer of resignation to accepting it with immediate effect. In the case of diocesan bishops who have reached 75 years of age, the usual decision is to accept the resignation but with effect only from the date of publication of the appointment of a successor, a decision known as acceptance nunc pro tunc (now for then).

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Charles Johnson  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:27:25pm

Instagram

On Sunday, President Barack Obama is scheduled to visit Cuba, in what will be the first trip by a sitting U.S. president to that county in nearly 90 years. Obama plans to meet with Cuban President Raul Castro, attend a state dinner and speak with Cuban dissidents during the trip. Here, musician Frilal Ortiz carries a double bass in downtown Havana on March 16, 2016. Photograph by Alexandre Meneghini—@reuters

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jaunte  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:29:25pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

That double bass must represent 4-5 years of his salary.

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makeitstop  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:29:37pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

Question for the group: How does the fact that this time around the thuggish Drumpf supporter appears to be non-white and he assaulted a white protester change things in terms of the arguments made and the insults flung?

He’s another Trump-supporting douchebag who should feel the full weight of the law as it applies to his actions.

In other words, his color changes nothing. Did you expect differently?

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b.d.  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:30:49pm

As a special gift to wingnuts I hope that President Obama enjoys a nice round of golf while he is in Cuba.

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majii  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:31:24pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

Not a bit. Violence is violence. Should the fact that the guy who attacked the protester was black make a difference?

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Charles Johnson  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:32:19pm

Instagram

Inside a home in Santiago de Cuba. From the outside, the destruction is palpable. Paint molts from walls. Torn facades leave dollhouse interiors exposed to the elements. Look closer, though, at knickknacks arranged just so on splintered shelves. Cracked floors swept clean. Plastic flowers perfectly arranged. There is quiet pride in every detail.
Ahead of President @barackobama’s 3-day visit to #Cuba — the first by a sitting president in 88 years — we’re sharing photos from a recent journey across the country by @nytimes journalists. Visit the link in our profile to see the full photo essay. #nytweekender

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Nyet  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:32:39pm

re: #79 majii

Not a bit. Violence is violence. Should the fact that the guy who attacked the protester was black make a difference?

What I assume DF meant is that we no longer should accuse Trump of racism. *snicker*

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CuriousLurker  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:32:44pm

Ugh, I just clicked on a tweet someone referenced and it was from Louis Farrakhan. His timeline is a sewer: He’s issuing ##DivineInstructions (srsly?), threats (#JusticeOrElse), spouting bigotry (Satanic Jews, ADL/Synagogue of Satan is falsely accusing him of antisemitism—I’m not kidding), and hawking his latest DVD.

Oh, I almost forgot—also the occasional conspiracy theory and the rather bizarre “Up with Jesus! Down with the Easter bunny. “

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:33:06pm

re: #65 allegro

Was it a Fox poll?

I’m taking it from the chart at RCP. Perhaps I’m reading it wrong.

realclearpolitics.com

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:34:12pm

re: #69 Bubblehead II

I reject your framing of the situation. I am loyal to both party and nation and reject the idea of loyalty to one negating loyalty to another.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:34:41pm

re: #79 majii

Not a bit. Violence is violence. Should the fact that the guy who attacked the protester was black make a difference?

Absolutely not.

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stpaulbear  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:36:21pm

re: #79 majii

Not a bit. Violence is violence. Should the fact that the guy who attacked the protester was black make a difference?

D_F is just asking the question.

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Nyet  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:36:27pm

re: #82 CuriousLurker

IOW he’s a lot like Trump. Leaders of racist cults sorta all look similar.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:37:17pm

re: #82 CuriousLurker

Ugh, I just clicked on a tweet someone referenced and it was from Louis Farrakhan. His timeline is a sewer: He’s issuing ##DivineInstructions (srsly?), threats (#JusticeOrElse), spouting bigotry (Satanic Jews, ADL/Synagogue of Satan falsely accusing him of antisemitism—I’m not kidding), and hawking his latest DVD.

Oh, I almost forgot—also the occasional conspiracy theory and the rather bizarre “Up with Jesus! Down with the Easter bunny. “

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The less attention paid to Farrakhan, the better. I still feel he played a role in Malcolm X’s untimely demise but that’s another story.

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Nyet  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:37:50pm

Easter Bunny is more popular than Jesus. And he’s not even an American. Sad!

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jaunte  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:37:58pm
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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:38:05pm

re: #81 Nyet

What I assume DF meant is that we no longer should accuse Trump of racism. *snicker*

Actually, my main reasons for asking were to keep from stepping on some social landmine of whose existence I may be unaware and to wonder aloud about Trumpeters using this incident to make fools of themselves.

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Bubblehead II  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:38:10pm

re: #77 makeitstop

He’s another Trump-supporting douchebag who should feel the full weight of the law as it applies to his actions.

In other words, his color changes nothing. Did you expect differently?

Asshole/thugs come in all shapes, sizes and colors. DF wants us to differentiate between them instead of calling them what they are. BTW, DF thanks for the down ding. But you still have to answer the question. What comes first for you. Country or party.

This IS LGF. You will be called upon to answer this question eventually. Why not do it now?

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Stanley Sea  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:38:26pm

Reporter at the Trump event in Palm Beach

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Ming5000  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:38:27pm

re: #69 Bubblehead II

Sheesh.. You all keep trying. This is another case of Crazy Uncle at Thanksgiving. You’ll never nail him down.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:38:32pm

re: #88 Patricia Kayden

The less attention paid to Farrakhan, the better. I still feel he played a role in Malcolm X’s untimely demise but that’s another story.

I wouldn’t be surprised one bit.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:39:36pm

re: #93 Stanley Sea

Reporter at the Trump event in Palm Beach

[Embedded content]

Let me guess:
Judge Judy
Judge Jeanine Ducklips
Judge Andrew Napolitano

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Nyet  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:39:43pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

Oh… kay.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:39:59pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

Reformatting an MBF statement as a question doesn’t make it an actual question nor less of an MBF statement.

Plus who gives a flying fuck what colour the assailant was? The important fact is that it was a Trump!™ supporter who attacked someone exercising his 1st Amendment rights because the Trump!™ supporter doesn’t believe dissent should be allowed.

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Bubblehead II  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:41:49pm

re: #84 Dark_Falcon

I reject your framing of the situation. I am loyal to both party and nation and reject the idea of loyalty to one negating loyalty to another.

And here we have it. A bullshit answer that isn’t a answer. I am loyal to the country while also being loyal to a party that is determined to destroy it. See Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Mitch McConnell, etc.

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Nojay UK  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:42:29pm

re: #76 jaunte

That double bass must represent 4-5 years of his salary.

It may well have been bought for him by the local Party. The Communists in Cuba and elsewhere promoted and supported musicians, sportspeople, artists etc. even if they were poor and unable to otherwise afford instruments and the like.

I remember reading an article by a British pistol shooter several decades ago who was working in Soviet Georgia, telling of his visit to a local shooting range where he was provided with a target pistol and ammunition free of charge to use. He saw young boys and girls being taught the basics of safe rifle and pistol target shooting there. One young girl aged about 14 or 15, he discovered, was being specially tutored for biathlon competitions spending several hours a week on the town’s indoor range during the summer. During the winter she would go to a ski school in the mountains, all at the Party’s expense.

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makeitstop  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:42:50pm

re: #62 Nyet

Clint should just talk to the empty hair.

I C what you did there.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:43:38pm

re: #98 Romantic Heretic

My question was related to the political and media fallout, not the morality of the incident. The wrongs done and who did them in Tucson are very clear, how they might play out politically is the uncertain thing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:44:51pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

My question was related to the political and media fallout, not the morality of the incident. The wrongs done and who did them in Tucson are very clear, how they might play out politically is the uncertain thing.

The fact that you are even considering that as a possible scenario…

good grief.

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Nyet  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:44:51pm

re: #102 makeitstop

Some people have hairdos, Trump has a hairdon’t.

/stop me

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:45:54pm

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

The fact that you are even considering that as a possible scenario…

good grief.

Considering what? How Trump supporters will make asshats out of themselves?

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Charles Johnson  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:46:10pm

Goddamnit, Chuck C. Johnson is posting one creepy video after another to his Facebook page. Of all the horrible right wingers I’ve encountered, he really is the absolute worst.

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allegro  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:46:18pm

re: #84 Dark_Falcon

I reject your framing of the situation. I am loyal to both party and nation and reject the idea of loyalty to one negating loyalty to another.

You make a good and valid point. That is if you are loyal to a national identity of racism, misogyny, theocracy, the complete destruction of what’s left of the middle class, the literal slow, painful deaths of the millions of less affluent citizans due to the inability to afford medical care, and continuous war to further line the already overflowing pockets of military industry. Izzat it? Because that is what you are tying your flag to with pride.

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Nyet  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:46:25pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

My question was related to the political and media fallout, not the morality of the incident. The wrongs done and who did them in Tucson are very clear, how they might play out politically is the uncertain thing.

You can be nuanced when you want, so I don’t see why you couldn’t have worded that much less ambiguously.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:46:37pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

Considering what? How Trump supporters will make asshats out of themselves?

Your words:

political and media fallout,

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Skip Intro  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:46:57pm

re: #52 Stanley Sea

I hadn’t realized that Clint has had such a hard time of it since Obama became president.

I thought he was doing pretty good with his movies, his hundreds of millions of dollars in investments in the Carmel area, etc, but I guess the Obama depression has affected him too.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:47:33pm

Chuck: “Of course I end up name-searching on Twitter, because you know, I’m famous. No big deal.”

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thedopefishlives  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:47:38pm

In the meantime, back in fish country:

Two officers shot, one killed, serving a drug warrant

This happened mere miles from my ancestral home. The suspect also died in the crossfire and was discovered by the SWAT later. This is one of those times where my pro-police side shows; this was a small-town tragedy.

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majii  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:48:03pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

Optics appear to be the major concern NOT the violent acts. Sad.

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Ming5000  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:48:48pm

re: #113 thedopefishlives

We need to cut down on those drug warrants

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Joe Bacon  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:49:03pm

re: #105 Nyet

Some people have hairdos, Trump has a hairdon’t.

/stop me

Trump would need a barrel of Wildroot Cream Oil to get that mop on the top of his head under control…

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:49:08pm

re: #109 Nyet

You can be nuanced when you want, so I don’t see why you couldn’t have worded that much less ambiguously.

Mainly because my dad was waiting for me to help him with something (I’m at my parent’s house right now) and I finished the post in something of a hurry. Act in haste, repent at leisure.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:49:48pm

I’m trapped in a time warp, Starbucks is playing Len’s Steal My Sunshine.

Len - Steal My Sunshine

Send help.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:50:42pm

re: #115 Ming5000

We need to cut down on those drug warrants

The War on Drugs has claimed two more victims, one a young father who was just beginning his career. It’s senseless and stupid, and while I don’t fault the officers at all for doing their jobs, there comes a point where enough should be enough.

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b.d.  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:51:14pm

re: #111 Skip Intro

I hadn’t realized that Clint has had such a hard time of it since Obama became president.

I thought he was doing pretty good with his movies, his hundreds of millions of dollars in investments in the Carmel area, etc, but I guess the Obama depression has affected him too.

Now that everybody has jobs again they don’t have time to go see his films.

//

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Renaissance_Man  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:51:27pm

re: #84 Dark_Falcon

I reject your framing of the situation. I am loyal to both party and nation and reject the idea of loyalty to one negating loyalty to another.

I agree. It’s not exactly a fair question. The Republican party is not necessarily diametrically opposed to America. Its vision of America may be a horrible dystopia that sane, free people should abhor, but it is still nominally America. It’s not an America I would want to live in, but there is a significant percentage of Americans that would want to live in it. Namely, a few very rich ones, and a larger group of poorly educated, angry, bigoted ones that enjoy seeing other humans that don’t look like them suffer.

The question itself supposes that the Republican party is still a political party, an entity that one could be loyal to even if it were to attack the country, which is what many of us think DF would do. I don’t think the question is valid because I don’t think the Republican party is a political party at all any more. It’s like a shell company, a facade thrown up by a shady business to con people out of money. That’s all it essentially is at this point. It exists to provide a service for con artists to launder money through as they transfer it directly from gullible groups of society to their own pockets. Whether the con is selling hate-filled screeds that pretend to be conservative books, selling gold, selling reverse mortgages, selling donations to ‘conservative’ causes, selling five-minute-hate rallies, or selling subsidies of public money to rich people, it’s just variations on the same con. Find the most gullible, easily manipulated audience you can, feed them a steady diet of emotions to lock them into your cult, and make sure they never get any outside information at all, and you can sell them anything. That’s all the Republican party is now - a front for snake-oil salesmen and con artists.

America has only one political party of significance. It’s not a great political party but it is literally the only choice you have. Voting Republican requires you to either be extremely gullible or that you engage in a giant self-delusion that the GOP actually represents a political stance. And that second part is essentially what DF does.

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Nyet  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:53:06pm

On the other hand, it fits: Trump is a Billion Dollar Baby.

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Bubblehead II  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:53:21pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

My question was related to the political and media fallout, not the morality of the incident. The wrongs done and who did them in Tucson are very clear, how they might play out politically is the uncertain thing.

Yet I don’t seem to have seen anything from Cruz or the RNC denouncing these incidents and the rhetoric that spawned them. I wonder why? Maybe Mitch has received word from the NRA that they DO approve. And I again ask you, do you approve or denounce the (implied) tactics of your party? If not, then here and now reject them. Because if you don’t, you approve of them and have no place or voice here.

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Ming5000  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:53:29pm

re: #119 thedopefishlives

Agreed. The war was a mistake.
Portugal is a real world example of how treating drugs as a medical/social problem can be more effective. One result is reduced deaths due to drugs:

14 years after decriminalization
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makeitstop  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:54:10pm

re: #96 The Vicious Babushka

Let me guess:
Judge Judy
Judge Jeanine Ducklips
Judge Andrew Napolitano

Wapner! (Is he still alive?)

Rain Man (7/11) Movie CLIP - One Minute to Wapner! (1988) HD

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:54:29pm

re: #114 majii

Optics appear to be the major concern NOT the violent acts. Sad.

The violence speaks for itself, and I didn’t feel I needed to make clear what I feel ought to happen to assholes who use force when clearly not under threat, as I’ve stated here many times that such dirtbags should be arrested, charged, and upon conviction punished with appropriate severity.

Political violence cannot be tolerated and those perpetrate it need to spend significant time in jail or prison for having done so.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:55:07pm

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

Mainly because my dad was waiting for me to help him with something (I’m at my parent’s house right now) and I finished the post in something of a hurry. Act in haste, repent at leisure.

What does your Dad say about Herr Drumpf?

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b.d.  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:56:22pm

110 a day?! That number can’t be right?

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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:56:52pm

re: #118 goddamnedfrank

Oh wow, that’s a blast from the past.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:57:06pm

re: #113 thedopefishlives

In the meantime, back in fish country:

Two officers shot, one killed, serving a drug warrant

This happened mere miles from my ancestral home. The suspect also died in the crossfire and was discovered by the SWAT later. This is one of those times where my pro-police side shows; this was a small-town tragedy.

This part though…..Deputy Carl Koontz and Sgt. Jordan Buckley were shot while trying to serve arrest and search warrants for possession of a syringe.

A terrible waste of their time that lead to his death. :(

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thedopefishlives  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:57:16pm

re: #128 b.d.

110 a day?! That number can’t be right?

[Embedded content]

Why not? That’s a flight every 13 minutes, which is perfectly reasonable if you’re counting both directions.

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BeachDem  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:57:25pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

Actually, my main reasons for asking were to keep from stepping on some social landmine of whose existence I may be unaware and to wonder aloud about Trumpeters using this incident to make fools of themselves.

Huh?

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CuriousLurker  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:57:28pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

My question was related to the political and media fallout, not the morality of the incident. The wrongs done and who did them in Tucson are very clear, how they might play out politically is the uncertain thing.

Yes, the wrongs done and who did them are clear to anyone who made it past kindergarten. That said, I would point out that the idea that politics & the media can/should be separated from ethics is an indication of how morally bankrupt both have become. There’s little or no concern for integrity; it’s all about “winning” (elections, clicks, the news cycle, etc.)

When there’s no more integrity, no concern for ethics, we all lose.

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retired cynic  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:57:45pm

Seems to me that we change minds by not slapping people in the face. Sorry, but that is my feeling, and it is one of the reasons I started coming here.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:57:48pm

Instagram

A taxi driver at a park in Havana. At times, Cuba can feel like a nation abandoned. The aching disrepair of its cities, the untamed foliage of its countryside, the orphaned coastlines — a half-century of isolation has wrapped the country in decay. Yet few places in the world brim with as much life as Cuba, a contrast drawn sharper amid its faded grandeur.
Ahead of President @barackobama’s 3-day visit to #Cuba — the first by a sitting president in 88 years — we’re sharing photos from a journey across the country by @nytimes journalists. Visit the link in our profile to see the full photo essay. #nytweekender

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majii  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:58:37pm

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

That you felt the need to ask the question in the first place indicated to me that race was a concern, although you didn’t say it outright. If you have a question, ask directly. If I’m offended, I’ll let you know.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:58:48pm

re: #131 thedopefishlives

Why not? That’s a flight every 13 minutes, which is perfectly reasonable if you’re counting both directions.

It also probably includes cargo flights.

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makeitstop  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:59:10pm

re: #118 goddamnedfrank

I’m trapped in a time warp, Starbucks is playing Len’s Steal My Sunshine.

[Embedded content]

Send help.

The main riff for that song was bitten from this one.

More, More More - Andrea True Connection (HQ Audio)

Apologies in advance.

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b.d.  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:59:18pm

re: #131 thedopefishlives

Why not? That’s a flight every 13 minutes, which is perfectly reasonable if you’re counting both directions.

Seems like an awful lot.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:59:22pm

re: #123 Bubblehead II

I do not think the violence we have seen to be the tactics of the Republican Party as a whole, since no other Republican presidential candidate in this cycle or any other in my lifetime has ever used or condoned political violence as a campaign tactic. I view violent tactics as peculiar to the campaign of Donald Trump, I have denounced them before and I do so again here:

Political violence cannot be tolerated. I reject it and condemn those who use it and those who perpetrate such crimes need to spend significant time in jail or prison for having done so.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:59:49pm

re: #43 Eclectic Cyborg

The slaves of the 1800s were also beaten, tortured, raped and killed.

Not to mention being sold. Or their children being sold off.

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whitebeach  Mar 20, 2016 • 4:59:57pm

re: #121 Renaissance_Man

That is brilliantly well observed and well put, from start to finish.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:00:13pm

re: #130 Stanley Sea

This part though…..Deputy Carl Koontz and Sgt. Jordan Buckley were shot while trying to serve arrest and search warrants for possession of a syringe.

A terrible waste of their time that lead to his death. :(

Precisely so. See my follow-up comment. Everybody knows it’s a waste, too, which makes it even more of a tragedy. Governor Dickhead Pence has ordered the flags to half-staff today; the incident is even trending on Facebook, per my sidebar. This is a real heartstring-tugger.

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Nyet  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:00:19pm

re: #118 goddamnedfrank

Relax and let the sunshine in.

Army Of Lovers - Let the sunshine in - Official Video

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Skip Intro  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:00:39pm

I don’t know what the Republicans are whining about. They’ve got plenty of good candidates to choose from if they don’t want tRump.

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Hailing from the state of California, John Dummet, Jr is a Constitutional Republican who has become disenfranchised with both the Republican and Democratic parties.

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On the surface, Andy Martin is a pretty straightforward conservative with little standing out about him. He’s got a colorful past, though, filled with vexatious litigation and accusations of being an anti-semite. He has sued the State of Hawaii for the release of Barack Obama’s birth certificate.

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Engineer and perennial candidate
Republican Presidential Candidate Jack Fellure

A stubborn refusal to say “die” is one of the hallmarks of Jack Fellure, who’s been running for President every four years since 1988. He’s a dauntlessly religious man and a rock-solid conservative, advocating alcohol prohibition and the criminalization of homosexuality, among other right-wing positions.

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Valma Kittington is a veteran of the US Navy and a “born again” Christian. With conservative leanings on abortion, gun control, and drug laws, as well as a strong stance against illegal immigration, she is a good fit for many religious Republicans.

And there’s lots more of them at the link.

2016.republican-candidates.org

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thedopefishlives  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:01:23pm

re: #139 b.d.

Seems like an awful lot.

Consider that on a single runway at a major American airport, a flight either leaves or arrives every 2-3 minutes. That’s pretty much the limit for heavy airplanes, because the swirling air from the previous flight has to have time to dissipate before the next flight is cleared to land or take off.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:01:29pm

re: #60 Patricia Kayden

And his Latino supporters. I was surprised to see a poll which shows that 30% of Latinos would vote for him in November. That’s shocking to me.

Latinos in general, or GOP-registered Latinos?

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:03:33pm

re: #127 Stanley Sea

What does your Dad say about Herr Drumpf?

My dad doesn’t have much of an opinion one way or the other regarding Donald Trump. He’s focused on recovering from his health crisis last fall and on my mom and hasn’t had much time for or interest in politics lately. But he’s never tolerated people who attack others when said other posed no danger to them. He raised his son not to be an asshole who attacks others simply for disagreeing with him.

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KGxvi  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:04:22pm

re: #84 Dark_Falcon

I reject your framing of the situation. I am loyal to both party and nation and reject the idea of loyalty to one negating loyalty to another.

There comes a time when loyalty to party does negate loyalty to country. I say this as a former Republican, the party is coming dangerously close to crossing that line. Trump is the worst of it, but Cruz is no better as he offers a theocratic vision of America’s future. An American political party that has shown open contempt for the First Amendment (and this isn’t a new thing, GWB’s “free speech zones were wretched) is not one that should be respected. Nor is one that advocates for making voting more difficult. Nor is one that believes the right to privacy is a made up right that should be overruled. That is what the Republican Party stands for today. Along with closed borders and trade wars. If you can’t see how there is a conflict between your party loyalty and your national loyalty are potentially in conflict then you are beyond help

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freetoken  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:04:36pm

re: #3 Nyet

So, Ehrman has a new book out and it’s on reliability of oral traditions.

I’m intrigued.

amazon.com

Just ask all the Americans who believe there is a Cherokee princess in their family tree.

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allegro  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:05:15pm

re: #147 Feline Fearless Leader

Latinos in general, or GOP-registered Latinos?

I looked at that article Patricia referenced. It isn’t a poll but rather a predictive tool of voting percentages based on past election data.

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Nojay UK  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:05:39pm

re: #146 thedopefishlives

Consider that on a single runway at a major American airport, a flight either leaves or arrives every 2-3 minutes. That’s pretty much the limit for heavy airplanes, because the swirling air from the previous flight has to have time to dissipate before the next flight is cleared to land or take off.

Cuba does have more than one airport… Here’s a couple of quick questions, without looking them up on Wikipedia, what is the population of Cuba and what is its land area, say in terms of an equivalent US state?

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b.d.  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:05:42pm

re: #146 thedopefishlives

Consider that on a single runway at a major American airport, a flight either leaves or arrives every 2-3 minutes. That’s pretty much the limit for heavy airplanes, because the swirling air from the previous flight has to have time to dissipate before the next flight is cleared to land or take off.

But considering that no republican will ever go to Cuba doesn’t that mean less demand for seats?

//

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Stanley Sea  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:06:00pm

re: #143 thedopefishlives

Precisely so. See my follow-up comment. Everybody knows it’s a waste, too, which makes it even more of a tragedy. Governor Dickhead Pence has ordered the flags to half-staff today; the incident is even trending on Facebook, per my sidebar. This is a real heartstring-tugger.

So sad.

Bottom line, dude with syringe doesn’t give AF.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:07:23pm

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

My dad doesn’t have much of an opinion one way or the other regarding Donald Trump. He’s focused on recovering from his health crisis last fall and on my mom and hasn’t had much time for or interest in politics lately. But he’s never tolerated people who attack others when said other posed no danger to them. He raised his son not to be an asshole who attacks others simply for disagreeing with him.

Sorry about his health. Hope he skips voting GOP this year & you follow suit.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:07:41pm

re: #153 b.d.

But considering that no republican will ever go to Cuba doesn’t that mean less demand for seats?

//

So you think Mark Sanford likely to be labeled a RINO for going to Cuba as part of the Congressional Delegation?

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scottslemmons  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:07:57pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

This one is a seriously gorgeous photo, and it makes me want to meet the people who live there. I had an aunt years and years ago whose home was filled in every little corner with little trinkets and ornaments, somewhat similar to this home.

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retired cynic  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:08:22pm

Something that made me laugh today:

“My goal for 2016 was to lose just 10 pounds. Only 15 to go.”

Unfortunately, it is too true to be really funny!

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:08:42pm

re: #60 Patricia Kayden

And his Latino supporters. I was surprised to see a poll which shows that 30% of Latinos would vote for him in November. That’s shocking to me.

Got a link to that poll? Because I don’t believe it.

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allegro  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:09:04pm

re: #153 b.d.

But considering that no republican will ever go to Cuba doesn’t that mean less demand for seats?

//

Considering the potential for some serious economic gain with opening trade and travel, I see GOPers being the most frequent visitors in the very near future.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:09:19pm

re: #140 Dark_Falcon

I do not think the violence we have seen to be the tactics of the Republican Party as a whole, since no other Republican presidential candidate in this cycle or any other in my lifetime has ever used or condoned political violence as a campaign tactic. I view violent tactics as peculiar to the campaign of Donald Trump, I have denounced them before and I do so again here:

Political violence cannot be tolerated. I reject it and condemn those who use it and those who perpetrate such crimes need to spend significant time in jail or prison for having done so.

Trump took the barely quiescent latent violence incubating within the GOP base and unleashed it, encouraged it and gave it license. It was always there though, intrinsic to and deep within the party, just waiting for someone to whip it up and give it targets it could sink it’s teeth into.

The thing is Cruz isn’t any better, he still has the same target list of ethnic and religious others, he’s just slightly more covert about how he goes about encouraging hatred.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:09:41pm

re: #154 Stanley Sea

So sad.

Bottom line, dude with syringe doesn’t give AF.

Fishfolk, who are even more ardently pro-law-enforcement than I am, are an absolute wreck right now. The fact that this happened just up the road from their farm, and in their small tight-knit community, is just devastating.

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BeachDem  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:10:36pm

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

So you think Mark Sanford likely to be labeled a RINO for going to Cuba as part of the Congressional Delegation?

I have other labels for Mark Sanford, most a whole lot worse than RINO.

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b.d.  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:10:49pm

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

So you think Mark Sanford likely to be labeled a RINO for going to Cuba as part of the Congressional Delegation?

He’s been labeled worse.

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freetoken  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:10:52pm

Strangely, currently Drumpfskind’s own website just has one even on his schedule, for tomorrow, and it is at the old post office in DC which Drumpfskind is redoing into a hotel.

What’s up?

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freetoken  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:11:06pm
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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:11:16pm

re: #155 Stanley Sea

Sorry about his health. Hope he skips voting GOP this year & you follow suit.

I won’t vote for Trump, but I will still vote Republican for the House and Senate, and for most state offices. I will still vote for some Democrats, most of those those being most of the ones running for the Chicago Metropolitan Water Reclamation District. Only one Republican is running and any 3rd party people running tend to be loons, so for those offices I will vote for Democrats to make sure that they are held be sane people.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:11:44pm

re: #162 thedopefishlives

Do they know the killer? ugh.

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Nyet  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:12:15pm
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retired cynic  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:12:20pm

re: #161 goddamnedfrank

Referencing my earlier post about the violence stirred up by George Wallace, and how it is much the same in foundation… I wish it was possible to end it for good, and not just bury it and disinter it again and again. Maybe I’m wishing more people would actually evolve socially!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:12:46pm

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

So you think Mark Sanford likely to be labeled a RINO for going to Cuba as part of the Congressional Delegation?

What’s the definition of RINO these days?
It sure isn’t the same as it was just a few years ago.

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KGxvi  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:13:00pm

re: #152 Nojay UK

Cuba does have more than one airport… Here’s a couple of quick questions, without looking them up on Wikipedia, what is the population of Cuba and what is its land area, say in terms of an equivalent US state?

I cheated and looked them up. There’s one state that is actually fairly comparable in both population and area, posted behind a spoiler tag

Ohio

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thedopefishlives  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:13:05pm

re: #168 Stanley Sea

Do they know the killer? ugh.

No, and the police haven’t released the name, either. They do regularly visit the town this occurred in, though, and I’m pretty sure I’ve driven past the trailer park in question a few times.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:13:08pm

re: #165 freetoken

Strangely, currently Drumpfskind’s own website just has one even on his schedule, for tomorrow, and it is at the old post office in DC which Drumpfskind is redoing into a hotel.

What’s up?

He just finished up a local GOP confab at Mar A Lago/PB.

His hair needs conditioning.

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b.d.  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:13:37pm

re: #146 thedopefishlives

Consider that on a single runway at a major American airport, a flight either leaves or arrives every 2-3 minutes. That’s pretty much the limit for heavy airplanes, because the swirling air from the previous flight has to have time to dissipate before the next flight is cleared to land or take off.

More info:

U.S. carriers will be permitted to add as many as 110 daily round-trip flights between the United States and Cuba, The Associated Press reports.

But only 20 of those will be to Havana, a destination that most big U.S. carriers have expressed an interested in serving.

//snip

Beyond the 20 flights allocated for Havana, there will be up to 10 each allowed on routes to Cuba’s nine other international airports, Thomas Engle - the United States’ deputy assistant secretary for transportation affairs - tells Reuters.

usatoday.com

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Ming5000  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:14:15pm

The folks at Redstate are not ecstatic over McConnll’s genius plan to play to not consider Garland.
The comments lament the Trump disaster as well as potentially giving HRC her choice anyway.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:14:43pm

re: #169 Nyet

Trump Has a Major Image Problem With Hispanics

Has everyone seen this???

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:15:01pm

re: #83 Patricia Kayden

I’m taking it from the chart at RCP. Perhaps I’m reading it wrong.

realclearpolitics.com

That just takes as a starting point Romney’s percentage of each demographic. You can then adjust it to see how it would effect the outcome of this year’s election.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:15:26pm

re: #121 Renaissance_Man

But from Mitch McConnell and various other statements the GOP now appears to not represent the United States, but the NRA, Fox, and Rush Limbaugh.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:15:40pm

re: #173 thedopefishlives

Sorry to your folks.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:16:17pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:16:32pm
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BeachDem  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:17:01pm

So, yesterday I attended our county convention—you know, where actual Democrats gather to elect Democratic party officials, meet and encourage Democratic candidates, present Democratic resolutions, get Democrats to sign up to participate in upcoming elections as candidates, volunteers, etc. That event followed last week’s precinct organization meetings to select delegates to the convention, and—you know, organize the Democratic precincts.

Yeah, it’s tough being a Democrat in a solidly red and unlikely to change any time soon state, but if you believe in the party platform, you do what you can to advance Democratic principles.

We had a good turnout and elected some good folks. And there were a lot of new faces I’d either never seen before, or had only met recently, while working on the Hillary primary campaign and promoting our Democratic women’s organization.

But something really stood out to me. Our county activists are pretty well split between Bernie and Hillary supporters—all avid advocates for their candidate (some more nasty than others, but that’s a different story.) Supposedly, the Bernie campaign is bringing in all these young, enthusiastic voters who are going to reshape the Democratic party. “Grassroots” and all, which should, I would think, include activism at the local and county level.

There were a total of 4 people at our convention who were 30 or under (there might have been a few more, but I didn’t see them.) One, a girl who is now in college, who started a Democratic club at her high school 3 years ago, and who we nurtured every step of the way. She ran for the “under 30” county office and won. One, the current head of that high school Democratic group (she’s only a high school sophomore, but she’s already getting involved.) One, a young man who’s been involved locally for a few years, and is now going to run for a seat in the State house. And one who just turned 30, and was the previous “under 30” county officer.

Now, I saw hundreds of enthusiastic young Bernie supporters at events around the state before the primary, but that certainly didn’t translate to any enthusiasm about getting involved on the local or county level. I fear the “revolutionaries” are just Bernie enthusiasts and have no clue about how to actually change political dynamics.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:17:36pm
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Eventual Carrion  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:18:39pm

re: #55 Eclectic Cyborg

Is he going to scream at a chair again?

Maybe he’ll scream at hair.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:19:05pm

re: #164 b.d.

He’s been labeled worse.

He’s not the only Republican male to travel far in search of sex. Morgan the elephant recently walked from Kenya to Somalia and back while looking for a mate.

I’ve been waiting for days to post that story and decided this was as good a time as any.

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makeitstop  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:20:03pm

re: #161 goddamnedfrank

Trump took the barely quiescent latent violence incubating within the GOP base and unleashed it, encouraged it and gave it license. It was always there though, intrinsic to and deep within the party, just waiting for someone to whip it up and give it targets it could sink it’s teeth into.

The thing is Cruz isn’t any better, he still has the same target list of ethnic and religious others, he’s just slightly more covert about how he goes about encouraging hatred.

It was already there five years ago. But in that instance, West only used the bikers to intimidate a liberal, not physically attack him.

But I’m sure that if West had given the go, the bikers would have been more than happy to oblige.

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allegro  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:20:04pm

re: #178 Stanley Sea

Has everyone seen this???

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Love it!

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Charles Johnson  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:20:54pm
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CuriousLurker  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:21:42pm

There are quite a few Latinos around here, mostly from Central & South America, but also some Mexicans. I have yet to run into a single one whose lip doesn’t curl at the mention of Trump’s name.

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Renaissance_Man  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:23:33pm

re: #180 Feline Fearless Leader

But from Mitch McConnell and various other statements the GOP now appears to not represent the United States, but the NRA, Fox, and Rush Limbaugh.

That’s absolutely true. It’s their front, their shell company. It works for FOX, not the other way around. Believing that the GOP is a political party that offers a political vision is the delusion.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:24:34pm

re: #152 Nojay UK

Cuba does have more than one airport… Here’s a couple of quick questions, without looking them up on Wikipedia, what is the population of Cuba and what is its land area, say in terms of an equivalent US state?

My guess would be a little smaller than Pennsylvania in terms of both pop and size.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:25:59pm

re: #192 Renaissance_Man

That’s absolutely true. It’s their front, their shell company. It works for FOX, not the other way around. Believing that the GOP is a political party that offers a political vision is the delusion.

I’ve commented a few times that the GOP is simply the political wing of the Fox Empire. (Still waiting for them to roll out the snazzy uniforms and a nice theme march.)

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thedopefishlives  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:27:30pm

re: #193 Feline Fearless Leader

My guess would be a little smaller than Pennsylvania in terms of both pop and size.

I cheated. It has the approximate population of Ohio and the approximate land area of the state of Virginia.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:28:12pm

re: #188 makeitstop

It was already there five years ago. But in that instance, West only used the bikers to intimidate a liberal, not physically attack him.

But I’m sure that if West had given the go, the bikers would have been more than happy to oblige.

Rand Paul supporters curb stomped a woman in 2010 during his Senate campaign.
*crickets* from the candidate.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:28:15pm

Well this sucks.

I just bought an upgrade to WS_FTP and ran the installation, now it wiped my registration and tells me that the serial # that I put in has “exceeded maximum activations”

It probably also wiped all my settings to my web host which I can’t reach any more because my FTP program is fucked.

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gocart mozart  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:28:32pm

re: #135 Charles Johnson

On the plus side of missing out on economic development in the last 60 years, the have little of the environmental problems: toxic waste, deforestation, suburban sprawl, and so on. They still have a pristine environment in many areas and they can skip the second half of the 20th century environmental devastation. Environmental tourism can be good if done the right way. Let’s hope that the Trumps and other fuckers don’t start building Yuuuge resorts and ruin everything.

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makeitstop  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:29:35pm

re: #196 Backwoods_Sleuth

Rand Paul supporters curb stomped a woman in 2010 during his Senate campaign.
*crickets* from the candidate.

I’d forgotten about that.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:30:25pm

re: #147 Feline Fearless Leader

Latinos in general, or GOP-registered Latinos?

She mistook support for Romney for support for Trump.

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EPR-radar  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:30:31pm

re: #84 Dark_Falcon

I reject your framing of the situation. I am loyal to both party and nation and reject the idea of loyalty to one negating loyalty to another.

This is a logical impossibility. One cannot be loyal to both America and to the Republican party as it presently stands because the present-day Republican party is fundamentally anti-American.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:30:52pm

re: #197 The Vicious Babushka

Updinged. But zero clue.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:31:38pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

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I thought Season 2 was even better than the first one. It’s a classic long arc police procedural, you can definitely feel the influence of Homicide: Life on the Street and The Wire that Overmyer brought with him to the project.

Speaking of Homicide: Life on the Street, it’s almost criminal that series isn’t being streamed online.

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Bubblehead II  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:31:39pm

re: #140 Dark_Falcon

I do not think the violence we have seen to be the tactics of the Republican Party as a whole, since no other Republican presidential candidate in this cycle or any other in my lifetime has ever used or condoned political violence as a campaign tactic. I view violent tactics as peculiar to the campaign of Donald Trump, I have denounced them before and I do so again here:

Political violence cannot be tolerated. I reject it and condemn those who use it and those who perpetrate such crimes need to spend significant time in jail or prison for having done so.

But if he is the nominee, you will vote for him. Party over Nation. It’s all you know.
Nuff said. Regardless of what you say.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:31:51pm

re: #198 gocart mozart

On the plus side of missing out on economic development in the last 60 years, the have little of the environmental problems: toxic waste, deforestation, suburban sprawl, and so on. They still have a pristine environment in many areas and they can skip the second half of the 20th century environmental devastation. Environmental tourism can be good if done the right way. Let’s hope that the Trumps and other fuckers don’t start building Yuuuge resorts and ruin everything.

Don’t they have some resorts and tourism industry in place for non-US based tourists?

We’ve been the only country blocking travel. Though I assume this will open a flood gate of tourists with normalizing relations. So there will be a rush to exploit that, along with tourist resorts in other areas of the Caribbean taking a hit I guess.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:32:11pm

re: #202 Stanley Sea

Updinged. But zero clue.

I opened a support ticket but of course it’s Sunday night so nobody will get back to me until tomorrow at least (OF COURSE I flagged it “critical”, I work in a call center myself)

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:33:46pm

what in the utter fuck

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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:34:08pm

From Furby’s FB page, in another post about Weigel:

Rick Shaftan Give it up. I’m getting sick of messages from mutual friends worried about YOUR mental health.

Charles C. Johnson It’s okay, Rick. I’m healthy as all get out.

Rick Shaftan People are seriously worried about you.

Charles C. Johnson Rick Shaftan who? Tell them to call me. All is well.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:34:40pm

re: #207 The Vicious Babushka

what in the utter fuck

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Halperin is a total joke.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:34:47pm

re: #169 Nyet

Trump Has a Major Image Problem With Hispanics

I wish I could find a what Trump’s approval rating with whites is. He needs to be well over 60% to win the election, and I’m hoping he will actually be well below that.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:34:55pm

re: #198 gocart mozart

On the plus side of missing out on economic development in the last 60 years, the have little of the environmental problems: toxic waste, deforestation, suburban sprawl, and so on. They still have a pristine environment in many areas and they can skip the second half of the 20th century environmental devastation. Environmental tourism can be good if done the right way. Let’s hope that the Trumps and other fuckers don’t start building Yuuuge resorts and ruin everything.

Just one point to note: In the US deforestation was really more a problem in the 1st half of the 20th century. Illinois, for example, has more forest now than it did in 1950. Efforts to regrow forest lands really gathered momentum around mid-century and have paid significant dividends since.

As for Donald Trump, I agree he will care less about conditions for Cubans than about getting the Trump Palace Havana Resort and Casino built.

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gocart mozart  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:35:33pm

re: #164 b.d.

So you think Mark Sanford likely to be labeled a RINO for going to Cuba as part of the Congressional Delegation?

Cuba has trails just as nice as the Appalachian Trail I bet.

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Ming5000  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:36:07pm

re: #201 EPR-radar

The shutdown of the federal government in 2013 was caused by the Republicans, and the one candidate the “true Republicans” want as President would have been perfectly happy to keep the government shut down until Jesus came back.

wiki Moody’s Analytics estimated that a shutdown of three to four weeks would cost the economy about $55 billion. Lost wages of Federal employees will amount to about $1 billion a week. Goldman Sachs estimated that a three-week shutdown would reduce the Gross Domestic Product of the United States by 0.9%. According to the Los Angeles Times, a two-week shutdown would reduce GDP growth in the fourth quarter by 0.3 to 0.4 percentage points. By comparison, the GDP has grown by less than 2% in 2013.

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Renaissance_Man  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:36:22pm

re: #204 Bubblehead II

But if he is the nominee, you will vote for him. Party over Nation. It’s all you know.
Nuff said. Regardless of what you say.

Be fair. He just said he wouldn’t vote Trump. You should take him at his word. He’s still voting downticket Republican, which only enables the bilge that has produced Trump, so it’s not really much better, but attacking him in direct contradiction to what he said is unproductive.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:36:24pm

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

Racist in Name Only.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:37:23pm

re: #191 CuriousLurker

There are quite a few Latinos around here, mostly from Central & South America, but also some Mexicans. I have yet to run into a single one whose lip doesn’t curl at the mention of Trump’s name.

I live in the Koreatown section of Los Angeles. If anyone mentions Trump, it’s with absolute contempt. In the section I live in there is a real mix of Koreans, Latinos, Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims and Japanese. ALL of them hate Trump with a passion…

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gocart mozart  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:37:38pm

re: #205 Feline Fearless Leader

The fuck if I know. I saw a PBS show last year that explained that much of the Island was unexploited and an environmental paradise.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:37:53pm

re: #204 Bubblehead II

That is unfair, Bubblehead. You asked me to denounce the actions of Trump and his supporters. I did what you asked and then you said my doing what you had asked me to did not matter. If you’re going to call me a liar, just do it and spare me the bait-and-switch. Don’t ask for my answer if it means nothing to you.

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ipsos  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:37:59pm

re: #208 SoundGuy 2016

From Furby’s FB page, in another post about Weigel:

51ytFnv0QWVHz97dLfQ1m/DzGuFLHTRa38vx1J3/emAG62BVE0zxg765mkQo0Fexe/AsBJcSa44A9F8z/Kyf59pvWMtY6n/3DuKsxRSt3qw8+/VFIaJrsfUs18RLtopWFvg4zXSG6ovUMiPlWyWwUxQjbk9gQHfSZmPaeEKl5lCS/CbOy1eF1HWGl8yPVKZLWlzP8l4gAfwinCO/TPx001jbuHxjwWYKTQ23zUaUdf2fH43dx6tPJqyTJ2I0nrZ3zU3Uq0Y9oOXNszwp4Ute1RemUdizbkDSXTJ2n0u1qRjUIcGVUScqhg==

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Ming5000  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:38:29pm

re: #217 gocart mozart

The fuck if I know. I saw a PBS show last year that explained that much of the Island was unexploited and an environmental paradise.

Koch Industries might want in on this Cuba thing

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:38:51pm

re: #214 Renaissance_Man

Thank you for that.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:39:05pm

During an ill-fated love affair we were trying to find the perfect wedding spot. A place neither had visited. Cuba it was.

But this was before Obama opened up the possibility, so it was rather prophetic.

I still really want to visit. I think the ferry from Miami will be the most fun.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:39:31pm

re: #209 goddamnedfrank

Halperin is a total joke.

Mark Halperin: Donald Trump Is The Second Best Presidential Candidate I’ve Ever Seen (After Bill Clinton)

Like I said, a total joke.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:39:59pm

re: #216 Joe Bacon

I live in the Koreatown section of Los Angeles. If anyone mentions Trump, it’s with absolute contempt. In the section I live in there is a real mix of Koreans, Latinos, Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims and Japanese. ALL of them hate Trump with a passion…

We must get everyone to the polls. I really think the anti is sooo strong. Just need to pull the lever.

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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:40:47pm

Blue Collar Billionaire? Seriously, I want somebody to try and explain:

1. The Concept
2. How it applies to Trump
3. Is Trump really one?
4. PROFIT!

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Stanley Sea  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:40:56pm

re: #220 Ming5000

Koch Industries might want in on this Cuba thing

They are probably already in.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:41:02pm

sigh

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:42:18pm

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

No, he just ignored an overblown egomaniac.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:43:07pm

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

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sigh

Cornel West contracted Obama Derangement Syndrome some time in 2009-2010 and its been eating away at his mind ever since.

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Bubblehead II  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:43:27pm

re: #214 Renaissance_Man

Be fair. He just said he wouldn’t vote Trump. You should take him at his word. He’s still voting downticket Republican, which only enables the bilge that has produced Trump, so it’s not really much better, but attacking him in direct contradiction to what he said is unproductive.

Yep. His mind is closed, but you never know, you might find a opening, how ever so small, that an idea may slip through

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:43:47pm

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

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sigh

My question is why is 60 Minutes interviewing Cornel West on that topic?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:44:45pm

re: #229 Dark_Falcon

Cornel West contracted Obama Derangement Syndrome some time in 2009-2010 and its been eating away at his mind ever since.

Cornel West is still butthurt that he wasn’t invited to the inauguration.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:46:41pm

re: #230 Bubblehead II

And now its open insults. -1

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Nyet  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:47:41pm

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

Brother of Trump said wut.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:47:50pm
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Belafon  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:48:09pm

re: #231 Feline Fearless Leader

My question is why is 60 Minutes interviewing Cornel West on that topic?

Horse race uber alles.

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EPR-radar  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:48:12pm

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

That is unfair, Bubblehead. You asked me to denounce the actions of Trump and his supporters. I did what you asked and then you said my doing what you had asked me to did not matter. If you’re going to call me a liar, just do it and spare me the bait-and-switch. Don’t ask for my answer if it means nothing to you.

As I recall, your position on whether you’d vote for Ted Cruz if he were the GOP nominee went from ‘no’ to ‘yes’.

Given that, a certain level of skepticism is to be expected for similar statements relating to Trump.

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stpaulbear  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:48:15pm

re: #224 Stanley Sea

We must get everyone to the polls. I really think the anti is sooo strong. Just need to pull the lever.

The biggest Berniac of all my Facebook friends posted this today. Glad to see it.

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Nyet  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:48:31pm

re: #231 Feline Fearless Leader

My question is why is 60 Minutes interviewing Cornel West on that topic?

Bingo.

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Skip Intro  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:49:23pm

re: #231 Feline Fearless Leader

My question is why is 60 Minutes interviewing Cornel West on that topic?

Donald Trump was busy.

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Nyet  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:49:55pm

re: #240 Skip Intro

Donald Trump was busy.

And Rev. Wright has retired.

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unproven innocence  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:50:31pm

Published about a week ago, a careful review of the rapidly escalating us vs them -ism that the GOP and Trump have embraced:

Rachel Maddow Shows How Donald Trump Incites Violence

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:51:25pm

Bernie has a rally in Seattle (home of Boeing) right now.

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Belafon  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:51:43pm

re: #235 Backwoods_Sleuth

And this is why, no matter how much they scream, Republicans will not be able to undo Obama’s actions.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:53:53pm

Hillary should bring a balloon with her on stage for the first debate with Trump. Whenever he starts talking, she lets loose.

Pee wee’s big holiday balloon fun

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:54:36pm

re: #243 Backwoods_Sleuth

What about the NRA, Bernie?

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freetoken  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:55:06pm

NYT runs this as a photo description:

Donald J. Trump speaking at an election night news conference at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Fla., on Tuesday, when he won four primaries.

Except… I don’t know how they define a “news conference”, but at that event all those people up front are not the press but Drumpfskind’s friends and club members, and there wasn’t any news or journalism involved other than to document this thing happened.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:55:16pm

LOLOLOLOLOL.
Moore keeps being delusional.

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Bubblehead II  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:55:28pm

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

That is unfair, Bubblehead. You asked me to denounce the actions of Trump and his supporters. I did what you asked and then you said my doing what you had asked me to did not matter. If you’re going to call me a liar, just do it and spare me the bait-and-switch. Don’t ask for my answer if it means nothing to you.

You are a fucking liar. Period. I can call upon the multitude of Lizards and even the Host of this Blog to prove me wrong. You have staunchly supported the craven policies of the GOP regardless of the facts. I therefore request, that Charles and a panel of the Lizard Nation be convened to determine who has made the most factual remarks. The loser being banned. The choice is yours.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:56:08pm

re: #214 Renaissance_Man

Be fair. He just said he wouldn’t vote Trump. You should take him at his word.

He also said he wouldn’t be voting for Ted Cruz, now he’s voting for Ted Cruz.

re: #407
If its Ted Cruz, then its not who I’ll be voting for in 2016.

Then, going back one election cycle, Dark slammed Romney pretty heavily in 2011, during the brief window where Gingrich was the flavor of the month, only to turn around and support Romney once he regained the lead.

re: #59
His use of footage of Obama wasn’t quite as bad as what Grayson did, but it was very bad in my eyes. It’ll prevent me from voting for Romney in the primary, since I don’t support that sort of dishonesty. Mitt seems to have his eyes too closely focused on the prize, to the exclusion of principles and honesty.

re: #113
It seemed like it was ‘his turn’ and he seemed electable. My problem with him has become that he stands for nothing but a desire to be president. In that regard, he’s worse than Gingrich, and worse than Obama as well. Both Barack and Newt want to be president because they have things they want to do and they need the presidency to enact them. Romney seems to just want to be president.

re: #96
It ain’t only that, Frank. Romney dodges and weaves too much. He seems to be allergic to taking a stand on an issue and then taking some heat for it. Gingrich impressed me more than a little by holding firm after getting attacked on immigration.

So you can see where some people’s trust in what Dark_Falcon says in these kinds of situations might wear a bit thin.

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b.d.  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:56:22pm

re: #243 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Bernie has a rally in Seattle (home of Boeing) right now.

You know those good paying manufacturing jobs Bernie keeps saying he wants to have in the US? Boeing has them.

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Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:56:23pm

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOL.
Moore keeps being delusional.

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Win all of them by margins that will mean she still retains her delegate lead.

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BeachDem  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:57:00pm

re: #247 freetoken

NYT runs this as a photo description:

Except… I don’t know how they define a “news conference”, but at that event all those people up front are not the press but Drumpfskind’s friends and club members, and there wasn’t any news or journalism involved other than to document this thing happened.

And he didn’t take any questions (not that he could have heard them, as he had the press seated about a million miles away from the stage.)

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b.d.  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:57:28pm

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOL.
Moore keeps being delusional.

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So now the Sandbaggers are concerned about states that Dems won’t win in November?

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Ming5000  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:58:04pm

re: #249 Bubblehead II

I therefore request, that Charles and a panel of the Lizard Nation be convened to determine who has made the most factual remarks. The loser being banned.

I am kinda new here. I didn’t even know this is a thing! Awesome.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 5:58:07pm

re: #237 EPR-radar

As I recall, your position on whether you’d vote for Ted Cruz if he were the GOP nominee went from ‘no’ to ‘yes’.

Given that, a certain level of skepticism is to be expected for similar statements relating to Trump.

There is difference between skepticism and saying someone’s words don’t matter after they answer a question you asked them. If there was no way I could have answered BH II’s question to his/her satisfaction, then he or she should not have asked it in the first place.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:00:08pm

re: #254 b.d.

Not to mention Arizona is heavily Hispanic, which should help Hillary. And Hawaii is already Minority-Majority, which might work against Bernie.

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b.d.  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:00:24pm

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOL.
Moore keeps being delusional.

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RealClearPolitics has HRC up 30 points in Arizona

realclearpolitics.com

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Nyet  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:02:06pm

re: #255 Ming5000

I am kinda new here. I didn’t even know this is a thing! Awesome.

Sometimes we use the duck scale though.

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Belafon  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:02:20pm

re: #255 Ming5000

I am kinda new here. I didn’t even know this is a thing! Awesome.

It’ll happen when enough of us physically get together to form a quorum.

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Bass Reeves  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:03:00pm

re: #249 Bubblehead II

I wish I could do memes, because I read that and thought, “That’s a bold move Cotton. Let’s see how this one plays out!”.

FWIW Dark, while I do appreciate your perspective, you *do* have a tendency to view ethical and moral issues through a lens of party politics. Or sometimes retreat to extreme pedantry. And you did say you wouldn’t vote for Cruz, and now you will.

BUT, you also have on a couple of occasions shown a willingness to vote for the ‘best candidate, R or D’. Just wish we could get you to do that in the gubernatorial, congressional, and presidental contests this time around.

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Belafon  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:03:09pm

re: #254 b.d.

So now the Sandbaggers are concerned about states that Dems won’t win in November?

Well, if he can get enough superdelegates to switch sides….

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Ming5000  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:03:12pm

re: #260 Belafon

It’ll happen when enough of us physically get together to form a quorum.

When is the convention? I am in

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b.d.  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:03:58pm

re: #263 Ming5000

When is the convention? I am in

Dibs on being a superdelegatelizard

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Bubblehead II  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:04:12pm

re: #255 Ming5000

I am kinda new here. I didn’t even know this is a thing! Awesome.

It’s not. But I am tired of DFs bullshit and am respectfully requesting that Charles allow us to do this.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:04:20pm

Deleted.

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allegro  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:05:23pm

re: #210 Big Beautiful Door

I wish I could find a what Trump’s approval rating with whites is. He needs to be well over 60% to win the election, and I’m hoping he will actually be well below that.

My faith in the humanity of my fellow Americans depends on it. I am sickened by what I’m seeing now.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:05:31pm

lol A DUEL!!!!!

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freetoken  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:06:28pm

Politician under fire for comparing refugees to Neanderthals

Austria’s Green Party on Saturday called on an Austrian lawmaker to resign after he compared refugees to “Neanderthals who trample under foot the rights of women”.

In remarks in parliament this week which he reiterated later in a statement, Robert Lugar said most refugees and migrants arriving in Austria were “uneducated, religiously blinded, fanatical (and) impossible to integrate.

[…]

“Now we bring such Neanderthals here who thank God had been extinct in our country,” he said.

[…]

The whole thing is wrong in so many ways.

But the most ironic is… Neanderthals were in Europe before we moderns moved in.

Anyway, anthropologists have for some time been trying to rehabilitate the image of Neanderthals, but throwbacks like Lugar are not so big into being educated, his whining about education aside.

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Skip Intro  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:06:28pm

Seen on car.

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Nyet  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:06:47pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:07:32pm

re: #249 Bubblehead II

You are a fucking liar. Period. I can call upon the multitude of Lizards and even the Host of this Blog to prove me wrong. You have staunchly supported the craven policies of the GOP regardless of the facts. I therefore request, that Charles and a panel of the Lizard Nation be convened to determine who has made the most factual remarks. The loser being banned. The choice is yours.

I’d settle for a block option.

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freetoken  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:08:04pm

Lugar is apparently unaware that his own ancestors include a few Neanderthals.

If he did a DNA test, I bet his Neanderthal amount is slightly higher than the Middle Eastern refugees, and much higher than any African refugee.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:08:22pm

Deleted.

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TedStriker  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:08:37pm

re: #108 allegro

You make a good and valid point. That is if you are loyal to a national identity of racism, misogyny, theocracy, the complete destruction of what’s left of the middle class, the literal slow, painful deaths of the millions of less affluent citizans due to the inability to afford medical care, and continuous war to further line the already overflowing pockets of military industry. Izzat it? Because that is what you are tying your flag to with pride.

You’re talking to a brick wall, because, barring any catastrophic political sea change with his folks, Dark will never completely repudiate the Republican Party, no matter how far they slide into abject and open racism, bigotry, and fascism.

Dark will talk smack about Trump, Cruz, and the rest of the GOP field, past and present, but it’s almost like Stockholm syndrome: as long as his pops is a GOP homer, so is Dark, damn the cold, ugly facts about what the party has become.

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Nyet  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:09:15pm
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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:10:01pm

re: #268 GlutenFreeJesus

lol A DUEL!!!!!

I shallenge yoo to ah dew-ell!

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Bass Reeves  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:10:13pm

re: #271 Nyet

I almost want to take back that upding, damned hippie kittens. Get a job!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:10:25pm

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Nyet  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:11:10pm
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stpaulbear  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:11:36pm

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

You came into this thread asking a racially loaded question about Trump rally violence and now your all soap boxy about your honor. Quit being such a drama queen.

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Belafon  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:12:13pm

re: #279 GlutenFreeJesus

I’ve seen the polls for Arizona. Do we have any for the other states?

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:12:52pm

deleted.

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majii  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:14:32pm

I have no problem considering the different opinions of others, but I do have a problem with inconsistency and with those who support wrongdoing for the sake of adhering to a political party’s politics. As I see it today, the GOP/TP is not a political party, it’s a cult of persons who exemplify the worst in America. If someone or a group of politicians don’t represent my beliefs and interests and aren’t willing to work in the best interests of the nation, there’s no way I’m supporting them in any way. For example, even though Mitch McConnell admitted on TV this morning that he can’t even talk to Judge Garland because of the NRA’s opposition to him being considered for a position on the Supreme Ct., he still has his supporters. Oh, they know he’s wrong, but none of them have the courage to reject what he’s selling. I have no use for individuals like this. None, because they have no inherent, enduring principles except a need to win and exercise control over the lives of other Americans. Politics is not a game. It’s serious business, and it pisses me off to see some Americans viewing it as a reality TV show.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:14:37pm

re: #258 b.d.

RealClearPolitics has HRC up 30 points in Arizona

realclearpolitics.com

I know! Thus my lols

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Charles Johnson  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:14:39pm

Instagram

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Renaissance_Man  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:14:52pm

re: #250 goddamnedfrank

He also said he wouldn’t be voting for Ted Cruz, now he’s voting for Ted Cruz.

Then, going back one election cycle, Dark slammed Romney pretty heavily in 2011, during the brief window where Gingrich was the flavor of the month, only to turn around and support Romney once he regained the lead.

So you can see where some people’s trust in what Dark_Falcon says in these kinds of situations might wear a bit thin.

Yes, but in the end, it doesn’t matter a whole lot. Given the amount of self-delusion and rationalisation you have to do to vote GOP at all, it’s not very surprising that he ends up rationalising a change of mind.

I too am somewhat appalled that he is so beholden to his self-image of being a Republican that he denies any attempt at sense, but in the end I think it is mostly that he sees things through the prism of a game. That is, it’s all at a distance for him, and the political ramifications of his views aren’t something he’s ever experienced or has any real connection to. Most of us here have at least some experience with the gaming mindset, and his outlook smacks very much of someone who applies a little too much of that to real life things that affect real live people. And there’s only so much you can type online to try and help someone’s outlook mature and grow up.

That said, I do think that this place sometimes turns on him unnecessarily. It may be sad to see him dodge obvious questions and put forward poorly thought out opinions that he thinks are just cheerleading for his team, but it’s not like he’s ever openly mean-spirited or abusive or aggressively harrassing other commenters here, unlike several previous ‘conservative’ commenters I remember. And I think putting him through purity tests with a threat of banning for not having well thought out political opinions is not what LGF is or should be about. This site has the least groupthink of any place online I have seen, but every so often I see some of it here as well.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:14:54pm

Deleted.

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Nyet  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:14:57pm

re: #282 Belafon

Choose a primary or a caucus from the menu:

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

The polls are at the bottom of the page.

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freetoken  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:16:17pm

re: #282 Belafon

Not many polls.

NY is the next big state and that is a month away and it has some polling.

Only 4 large caches of delegates await: NY, PA, NJ, and CA. We are past the 50% point. It will take a major event to keep Hillary from being the nominee.

And for the Republicans - AZ is a winner take all state and if Trump wins that, then wins big in NY (as expected), there probably won’t be a way to stop him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:16:26pm

re: #260 Belafon

It’ll happen when enough of us physically get together to form a quorum.

It’s not gonna be a caucus, is it?
I hate caucuses…

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Nyet  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:16:32pm

re: #287 Renaissance_Man

. And I think putting him through purity tests with a threat of banning for not having well thought out political opinions is not what LGF is or should be about. This site has the least groupthink of any place online I have seen, but every so often I see some of it here as well.

!

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Stanley Sea  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:17:23pm

re: #270 Skip Intro

Seen on car.

Embedded Image

gag. for him, I’m assuming.

And lost all sense.

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Belafon  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:17:31pm

re: #289 Nyet

Thanks. Utah’s the only other one listed for Tuesday, and she’s up by 8, though it’s a caucus.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:17:39pm

re: #282 Belafon

I’ve seen the polls for Arizona. Do we have any for the other states?

Not that I’ve seen. Polling in the West is thin at best. Bernie is hanging his hopes entirely on the dearth of black voters in next week’s contests. It’s kind of fucked up when you think about it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:17:44pm

re: #268 GlutenFreeJesus

lol A DUEL!!!!!

Totally not allowed in Kentucky.

A pickup truck mudsling, on the other hand…

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Stanley Sea  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:18:05pm

re: #268 GlutenFreeJesus

lol A DUEL!!!!!

I’m watching the Walking Dead. Enough for me tonight.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:18:19pm

I offer to be Second. Don’t care whose, just always wanted to be a Second.

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Bubblehead II  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:18:26pm

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

Your insults and asking a question in bad faith make you unworthy to issue such a challenge. Those calling for a duel must have honor to uphold and your words lacked it.

This. What more can I say. Surprised he didn’t have a gun porn pic to go along with it.

Questions DF. Just whom among us do you consider worthy to call you on your bullshit?

Who is best qualified to call you a ball sucking sycophant of the GOP.

Because that is all you are.

And you know, finally stating this publicly makes me feel real good.

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BeenHereAwhile  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:18:52pm

re: #57 Nojay UK

The Mujahadeen leaders who were invited into the White House and photographed with Reagan were not Taliban or Taliban supporters, at least not then. Afghanistan back then was more complex than soundbites and snapshots and gotchas.

Are you suggesting that Afghanistan is less ethnically & politically complex today?

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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:19:28pm

We’re at the BERNIE! part of the race. They’ve given the Paulians a run for their gold bars.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:19:39pm

re: #268 GlutenFreeJesus

20 paces with NERF cannons?

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:20:25pm

I’ve deleted my posts back to #266. That whole feud was juvenile and I should not have played into it.

Edited.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:20:51pm

re: #253 BeachDem

And he didn’t take any questions (not that he could have heard them, as he had the press seated about a million miles away from the stage.)

You’d think by now the press and media would smarten up, decide to quit empowering him, and earn some cash by forcing Trump to buy media presence rather than being given it for free. Trump screaming about the press conspiring against him means nothing if the TV networks don’t report it.

But… interest in the horse race and fear of getting scooped means they will never even consider that step. They have locked themselves into an abusive relationship and are unwilling to take the necessary steps to escape.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:22:20pm

re: #301 SoundGuy 2016

We’re at the BERNIE! part of the race. They’ve given the Paulians a run for their gold bars.

So from now on we got to include a “Bernie Sanders” choice in every poll we run?

/Nothing but a good time.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:22:54pm

re: #259 Nyet

Sometimes we use the duck scale though.

Weigh as much as two ducks?
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freetoken  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:23:10pm

re: #301 SoundGuy 2016

I think Bernie has been a much needed counterweight to the ever present atavist attitude in American politics that forces the Overton window towards the throw back positions.

And that was Bernie’s role in 2016 - to force the dialogue away from bombing other countries and dismantling social programs.

And he did that.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:24:33pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

I’ve deleted my posts back to #266. That whole feud was juvenile and I should shouldn’t have played into it.

But you did.

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Bubblehead II  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:25:25pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

I’ve deleted my posts back to #266. That whole feud was juvenile and I should have played into it.

In other words, He couldn’t refute my arguments. Isn’t it time for you to go to work or something? That’s what you generally do isn’t it?

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:26:24pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

I’ve deleted my posts back to #266. That whole feud was juvenile and I should not have played into it.

Edited.

Thank you Eric for calling my attention to my error.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:27:44pm

re: #306 Feline Fearless Leader

[Embedded content]

As much as a Trump Duck.

Trump Duck

That said, the duck scale isn’t all its quacked up to be.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:28:11pm

re: #311 Dark_Falcon

As much as a Trump Duck.

[Embedded content]

That said, the duck scale isn’t all its quacked up to be.

That looks more like a Bernie duck. Just sayin’

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b.d.  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:28:52pm

Heckuva Tweet there Brownie:

C’mon Trump, fire back, don’t fail me now!

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Nyet  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:29:05pm

Bernie has played a useful role. But now that he is laying out his case for outright stealing the nomination from Hillary through the SDs, he’s beginning to destroy whatever it is that he’s built.

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TedStriker  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:31:47pm

re: #197 The Vicious Babushka

Well this sucks.

I just bought an upgrade to WS_FTP and ran the installation, now it wiped my registration and tells me that the serial # that I put in has “exceeded maximum activations”

It probably also wiped all my settings to my web host which I can’t reach any more because my FTP program is fucked.

Man, I used to use WS_FTP way back, then moved to FileZilla.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:35:08pm

re: #313 b.d.

Heckuva Tweet there Brownie:

[Embedded content]

C’mon Trump, fire back, don’t fail me now!

All Trump has to do is dust off the “low energy loser” line, since that really does describe Michael Brown’s conduct during Hurricane Katrina.

Of course, that wouldn’t actually be answering Brown’s question, but Trump is highly unlikely to do that. He’ll just attack, attack, and not look back.

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allegro  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:35:36pm

I just finished watching ep 9 of Daredevil. OMGOMGOMG!! I don’t think it’s a spoiler to say that I eeked, shrieked, and OMGed to the point I made my next door neighbor’s dog bark and my dog hide from the intensity. But here is a…

I love that Fisk is back! I was so hoping he would be and he’s more Fisk-y than ever.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:36:22pm

BBIAB

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:37:18pm

re: #315 TedStriker

Man, I used to use WS_FTP way back, then moved to FileZilla.

I was able to load WS_FTP on the laptop, but it’s running the old version. The desktop is hosed.

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Nojay UK  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:38:22pm

re: #300 BeenHereAwhile

Are you suggesting that Afghanistan is less ethnically & politically complex today?

It’s still a mess, sorry “ethnically & politically complex” today but in different ways. The Mujahadeen no longer exist as a coherent force, the organisation (and I use the term loosely) formerly known as the Taliban is less national-political and more tribal-religious in form. I’ve not heard of the Northern Alliance in years, I figure they’re out stealing each other’s goats again while protecting the poppy fields in their little drug-baron fiefdoms. Al-Queda seems to have evaporated with the withdrawal of overt support from the Pakistani border states, probably due to pressure from the central Pakistani government after the bin Laden hit. Parts of AQ have resublimed as something that calls itself IS in Afghanistan but no-one cares because their Saudi money spigot got turned off.

God knows what NATO is trying to achieve in Afghanistan at this stage in the game other than being there because it’s supposed to be there under Clause 5 while providing a large chunk of the Afghanistan GNP in development aid, protection money and outright bribes. Elphinstone is starting to look like a military genius compared to the current Western commanders on the ground and their civilian leadership in the Western capitals.

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Bubblehead II  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:39:02pm

GOD DAMMIT! DF! Will you get it through your thick head that the Republican party has become infested with racists, bigots, misogynists and others. No amount of fumigation will get rid of them. The party is DEAD. It’s moldering corps is littered with vile carrion eating insects. LET. IT GO.

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BeenHereAwhile  Mar 20, 2016 • 6:43:45pm

re: #222 Stanley Sea

During an ill-fated love affair we were trying to find the perfect wedding spot. A place neither had visited. Cuba it was.

But this was before Obama opened up the possibility, so it was rather prophetic.

I still really want to visit. I think the ferry from Miami will be the most fun.

Take the ferry from Key West.
It will save you 140 miles of open ocean travel.

Especially if you have a tendency to suffer from Mal de mar. The Gulf Stream can kick up some waves.

My mother used to take the train to Key West, and then the ferry to Havana to visit her family, my grandfather being employed in Havana.

She luckily did not suffer Mal de mar.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 20, 2016 • 7:08:31pm

re: #311 Dark_Falcon

As much as a Trump Duck.

[Embedded content]

That said, the duck scale isn’t all its quacked up to be.

How do those float with all the added gold plating?

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Eventual Carrion  Mar 20, 2016 • 7:42:09pm

re: #315 TedStriker

Man, I used to use WS_FTP way back, then moved to FileZilla.

I use CoreFTP. It has always worked fine for me.

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Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate  Mar 20, 2016 • 8:05:29pm

re: #151 allegro

I looked at that article Patricia referenced. It isn’t a poll but rather a predictive tool of voting percentages based on past election data total bullshit.

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jonhendry  Mar 20, 2016 • 8:25:19pm

re: #96 The Vicious Babushka

Judge Andrew Napolitano

That would be interesting. He’s popular with much of the Fox News audience, but would evangelicals support a mostly-closeted gay man?

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Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate  Mar 20, 2016 • 8:30:47pm

re: #255 Ming5000

I am kinda new here. I didn’t even know this is a thing! Awesome.

Death panels is real!!!

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palomino  Mar 20, 2016 • 8:50:53pm

re: #28 Dark_Falcon

No it doesn’t, but I’m curious to see if Trump supporters say that it does.

Of course Trump’s white supporters will say it inoculates them from racism. They’ll also use Hispanic supporters to say the same thing.

But you should already know that, and you’re not dumb enough to believe it. Right?

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BeenHereAwhile  Mar 20, 2016 • 9:00:45pm

re: #320 Nojay UK

It’s still a mess, sorry “ethnically & politically complex” today but in different ways. The Mujahadeen no longer exist as a coherent force, the organisation (and I use the term loosely) formerly known as the Taliban is less national-political and more tribal-religious in form. I’ve not heard of the Northern Alliance in years, I figure they’re out stealing each other’s goats again while protecting the poppy fields in their little drug-baron fiefdoms. Al-Queda seems to have evaporated with the withdrawal of overt support from the Pakistani border states, probably due to pressure from the central Pakistani government after the bin Laden hit. Parts of AQ have resublimed as something that calls itself IS in Afghanistan but no-one cares because their Saudi money spigot got turned off.

God knows what NATO is trying to achieve in Afghanistan at this stage in the game other than being there because it’s supposed to be there under Clause 5 while providing a large chunk of the Afghanistan GNP in development aid, protection money and outright bribes. Elphinstone is starting to look like a military genius compared to the current Western commanders on the ground and their civilian leadership in the Western capitals.

Thanks.

Alas poor Elphinstone.

Set the stage for subsequent western military & political misadventures to be buried in Afghanistan.

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jonhendry  Mar 20, 2016 • 9:04:29pm

re: #128 b.d.

110 a day?! That number can’t be right?

[Embedded content]

By comparison, Honolulu airport has about 195 departures to the mainland daily.

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teleskiguy  Mar 20, 2016 • 10:05:47pm

re: #113 thedopefishlives

In the meantime, back in fish country:

Two officers shot, one killed, serving a drug warrant

This happened mere miles from my ancestral home. The suspect also died in the crossfire and was discovered by the SWAT later. This is one of those times where my pro-police side shows; this was a small-town tragedy.

An officer was killed east of South Park Colorado (yes, it is a place). Park County deputies, including the sheriff, showed up to some dude’s place. The house was being foreclosed and he wouldn’t leave. Fucker opened fire and wounded two deputies and killed one. The one fallen officer had a wife and three kids.

That happened two weeks ago.

I feel ya on those small town police incidents. The cops in the sticks are good people, for the most part.

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Swift2991  Mar 22, 2016 • 2:23:54pm

re: #9 allegro

Only interesting thing about it is to get to the roots of this man’s anger. I suppose he would be angry to be accused of belonging to a Klan-like movement. What’s he doing there? That’s the question.


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You Have One Last Chance to Repent, Sean Hannity….Help me force Sean Hannity to repent. If he doesn't, The Major will bring incredible the damage to Mr. Hannity using the new weapons of The Internet. I tried to warn you, Sean. You didn't then. If you choose to ...
The Major
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Intelligence Alert: How to Sniff Out Fake Identities on Twitter @FlorenceOconne5 Lesson Learned for Twitter Users: Check who follow you closely. If it has a high following/follower count, it's probably fake. — TheMajor (@TheMajorsViews) May 24, 2017 Now that we know how they do it, it's time to ferret ...
The Major
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Doctors Argue That Female Genital Mutilation Is Protected Under First Amendment Two doctors in Detroit, along with one of their wives, are about to take the first religious defense of female genital mutilation to a US Federal court. The case stems from a FBI investigation into Dr. Jumana Nagarwala after ...
Birth Control Works
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Amanda Knox: How Prisons Use Cult Tactics to Brainwash Inmates Into Religion Katie McKibben and the Orange County Superior Court both agree on one thing: In July 2013, 25-year-old McKibben failed to remain sober while on home arrest for her third DUI. She had been struggling with alcoholism throughout her early ...
Birth Control Works
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Letters From Women Pleading for Abortion, Sent in 1917, Mirror Emails Sent Today In the early 1900s, desperate American women wrote letters to the founder of Planned Parenthood begging for help with unwanted pregnancies. A century later, they're sending eerily similar messages to an international abortion-by-mail service. "I'm in the family way ...
Birth Control Works
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Pregnant Women Are Being Arrested for Crimes They Didn’t Know They Committed Laurie was five months pregnant when she used methamphetamine. She'd previously been on anxiety medication, but her doctor switched her to an opiate when she told him she had history for drug addiction. She said the opiate made her ...
Birth Control Works
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Manchester: Defiant and Proud Everybody reading this will have some connection to Manchester. Whether it's music you love (*waves at Charles*), football you enjoy, science you respect or that radical tradition you've read of, Manchester is a World City we all have some ...
Paul Canning
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Inclusive Approaches to Preventing Violent Extremism - Carter Center Violent extremism fractures communities, fosters division, and exacerbates political conflicts. It knows no religious, national, or ethnic boundaries. Violent extremist movements continue to fuel the world’s most violent wars in Africa and the Middle East, and right-wing ethno-nationalist extremism ...
Birth Control Works
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Love It or Hate It-What Saudi Arabia Is Buying in Its $110 Billion Arms Deal Huge deals with israel, and Saudi Arabia. Our industrial war machine grows apace. TanksSaudi Arabia is expecting 153 M1A1/A2 tank structures, which will be turned into 133 Saudi-specification M1A2S main battle tanks. Twenty additional tanks will replace those from ...
Unshaken Defiance
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On Trump and RussiaPresident Trump’s remarks regarding Russia as a candidate for President of the United States should have alarmed Americans regardless of party. Candidate Trump went out of his way to praise Vladimir Putin’s Russia, while simultaneously belittling the President of the ...
HappyWarrior
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