Trump’s Ex-Wife Ivana: We Need Immigrants to Vacuum Our Living Rooms

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One of Donald Trump’s ex-wives, Ivana Trump, defended his immigration “policies” today in an interview with the New York Post.

“As long as you come here legally and get a proper job … we need immigrants. Who’s going to vacuum our living rooms and clean up after us? Americans don’t like to do that. “

The Republican presidential front-runner’s first wife insisted she has “nothing against Mexicans.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 3, 2016 • 8:53:56pm

I for one have no problem cleaning up after myself because that’s how my parents raised me.

Also, as an immigrant myself, I think I can do a bit better in the job market than cleaning tables or waxing floors.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 3, 2016 • 8:54:53pm

Just the thought of Ivanka spending a hot California day picking strawberries…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 3, 2016 • 8:58:31pm
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Kragar  Apr 3, 2016 • 8:58:45pm

“Who’s going to vacuum our living rooms and clean up after us? Americans don’t like to do that ” says the immigrant.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 3, 2016 • 8:59:52pm

re: #4 Kragar

“Who’s going to vacuum our living rooms and clean up after us? Americans don’t like to do that ” says the immigrant.

Yeah, that’s the part they don’t get. After we spend all day serving them, we still have to go back and serve our own kids and families.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 3, 2016 • 9:00:00pm

re: #4 Kragar

“Who’s going to vacuum our living rooms and clean up after us? Americans don’t like to do that ” says the immigrant.

Mom did it all of her life…

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Lidane  Apr 3, 2016 • 9:06:54pm

Spoken just like every upper middle class to rich family I’ve ever known.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 3, 2016 • 9:08:59pm

I don’t care if I become wealthy one day, I will NEVER have a chip on my shoulder. I’m just not that person.

I know people say that and ultimately end up changing, but I just can’t see it for me.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 3, 2016 • 9:13:25pm

Trump = trash

Always & forever

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Lidane  Apr 3, 2016 • 9:32:28pm

Re: tonight’s episode of The Walking Dead —

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Stanley Sea  Apr 3, 2016 • 9:34:34pm

re: #10 Lidane

I’ve recovered. Seriously went to store for ice cream. There are just some remedies for trauma.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 3, 2016 • 9:44:14pm
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Lidane  Apr 3, 2016 • 9:46:38pm

re: #11 Stanley Sea

I’ve recovered. Seriously went to store for ice cream. There are just some remedies for trauma.

I’ll be getting some ice cream to take to work tomorrow. The extended scene with Negan literally had me shaking which has NEVER happened with this show before. And the very very end had me wincing at the sound of the bat coming down.

I used to call Jeffrey Dean Morgan “Papa Winchester” every time I saw him in anything because he was on Supernatural for so long and that was the one role I always identified him with. Not anymore. Now he’s Negan. O_O

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Stanley Sea  Apr 3, 2016 • 9:53:16pm

re: #13 Lidane

I just read the Negan wiki & ya, I’m cringing.

He is also shown to be quite reasonable when people attempt to negotiate with him, and has a genuine disgust for the act of rape. Interestingly, this stands in contrast to his need for a harem made up of other men’s wives.

Dark as fuck. But that’s what happens when the world ends.

Bedtime & some murder novel. Easier than TWD.

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teleskiguy  Apr 3, 2016 • 9:59:55pm

A reporter from the New York Post got one of The Donald’s™ ex-wives to say something that decent people know already.

Yawn.

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Jenner7  Apr 3, 2016 • 10:04:44pm

I am three TWD episodes behind. I’ve been dreading Negan, so I haven’t had the heart to watch.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Apr 3, 2016 • 10:09:51pm

re: #12 Stanley Sea

I think it’s a fake. The skin between the letters is just a glossy as the letters are. That tells me it’s just a big plastic sticker or something like that.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 3, 2016 • 10:22:07pm

re: #17 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I think it’s a fake. The skin between the letters is just a glossy as the letters are. That tells me it’s just a big plastic sticker or something like that.

Hopefully when someone turns up with “BS” gouged in their face, the B (or the S) will be backwards….

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 3, 2016 • 10:41:39pm

My grandniece is now officially a lance corporal in the USMC. That is all.

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CuriousLurker  Apr 3, 2016 • 10:42:54pm

Just stopping by to drop off a link to this article at Christianity Today for anyone who’s interested. I don’t make a habit of reading evangelical Christian periodicals, but I came across it while looking into something else and it caught my interest. Seems that some of the evangelicals aren’t especially keen on Cruz either. It’s kinda interesting to look at him through their eyes.

The Theology of Ted Cruz
Questions raised by the candidate’s God-and-country vision.

n the Sunday morning before this year’s South Carolina primary, Dr. Carl Broggi, the pastor of Community Bible Church in Beaufort, turned over his pulpit—emblazoned with the Protestant watchword “sola scriptura,” to GOP presidential candidate Ted Cruz. I am not sure if it is fair to call Cruz’s speech that morning a “sermon.” The candidate did not open up a biblical text and carefully explain its meaning in the way that I am sure Dr. Broggi had been trained to do at Dallas Theological Seminary and Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary.

Cruz did mention a few verses from the Bible during his message, but they were applied less to the spiritual lives of the souls in attendance that morning and more to the character of the United States of America as Cruz understands it. Let’s face it—this was a stump speech.

The Texas senator’s message was lifted from an old playbook. For nearly 400 years Americans have been conflating the message of the Bible with the fate of the country. Ever since the Puritan John Winthrop said that the Massachusetts Bay Colony was a “city on a hill” Americans have seen themselves as God’s chosen people—a new Israel with a special destiny. […]

*YAWN*

G’nite, lizards.
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 3, 2016 • 10:48:45pm

re: #20 CuriousLurker

Just stopping by to drop off a link to this article at Christianity Today for anyone who’s interested. I don’t make a habit of reading evangelical Christian periodicals, but I came across it while looking into something else and it caught my interest. Seems that even some of the evangelicals aren’t to keen on Cruz either. It’s kinda interesting to look at him through their eyes.

*YAWN*

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There a quite a few Evangelicals who are distinctly uncomfortable with Dominionism and the merging of politics and religion in general. Some may remember the troubles some sects had in countries where there was a state religion — or English colonies for that matter. Others may refer to the New Testament, which says nothing about Christ’s followers becoming political leaders. “Render unto Caesar” and all that.

Cruz and his daddy are members of an extremist wing of conservative Christianity, so the CT article is not surprising to me.

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Alyosha  Apr 3, 2016 • 10:49:02pm

re: #17 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

If it’s a recent tattoo it’s likely to have had some antibacterial balm applied to it.

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Kragar  Apr 3, 2016 • 11:17:00pm

Asked about Saudi Arabia getting nukes, Trump replied: “Saudi Arabia? Absolutely.”

“He says that with the confidence of a man who could easily find Saudi Arabia on a map if he was given three tries — and the map only included countries ending with ‘Arabia,’” a smirking Oliver said.

With Trump stating that nukes could be used in Europe because, “Europe is a big place.”

“It’s ‘a big place’ is not a good excuse for using nuclear weapons,” Oliver explained. “It’s barely a good excuse for peeing in the ocean.”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:39:44am

Hong Kong guy makes robot that looks remarkably like Scarlett Johansson.
shanghaiist.com

It does not have assassin skills, AFAIK, but it looks eerily lifelike.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:48:22am

re: #24 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Hong Kong guy makes robot that looks remarkably like Scarlett Johansson.
shanghaiist.com

It does not have assassin skills, AFAIK, but it looks eerily lifelike.

Damn skinjobs.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:59:52am

re: #25 Timothy Watson

Damn skinjobs.

Have you seen Ex Machina? imdb.com

I thought of that before I was reminded of Bladerunner. The Ex Machina guy is a DIY-er whose creations are disturbingly lifelike. Animated love dolls, really. In some ways, I wish they’d do a sequel to follow what happens to Ava, the robot who escaped, and the poor sucker she left trapped in that house.

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Ming5000  Apr 4, 2016 • 2:02:32am

re: #26 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Agree. There was much that was left unexplored.

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Ming5000  Apr 4, 2016 • 2:15:31am

The shoes are beginning to fall as the Panama Papers data is reviewed. This is the first American that I have read about: (BBC)

Eight years ago, business guru Marianna Olszewski had a problem.
The author of Live it, Love it, Earn it (A Woman’s Guide to Financial Freedom) offers financial advice directed at American women. Some of her personal fortune had been invested using a secret offshore company.
But in 2008, at the height of the financial crisis, she decided she wanted to get her $1.8m back.
The problem was that the bank that held the funds wouldn’t release the cash without knowing who was behind the offshore company - and Ms Olszewski was desperate to keep her identity secret.

The article reviews emails that show detailed and overt plans to craft a paper trail to continue Olszewski’s hidden ownership of these funds. This is going to be painful for her.

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Ming5000  Apr 4, 2016 • 2:35:02am

Hey everybody! We landed on the moon!

http://www.modernreaders.com/severe-obesity/43439/melissa-taylor

Oops, they are not talking about lifestyle and diet changes. They are talking about:

bariatric embolization as a minimally-invasive image-guided procedure for morbid obesity. In this procedure, specific blood vessels to the stomach are blocked in order to suppress some of the body’s signals for feeling hungry, leading to weight loss.

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Amory Blaine  Apr 4, 2016 • 5:30:38am

Secretive group tries to remake Milwaukee City Hall

A secretive group led by a longtime conservative political operative has spent as much as $200,000 to influence Tuesday’s city elections, including the Milwaukee mayor’s race and key aldermanic contests.

And the group has done all this without disclosing its donors, detailing its spending or even registering with local, state or federal agencies.

Craig Peterson — a veteran GOP operative — said last week that his group, called Milwaukeeans for Self-Governance, has been involved in just about all of the 14 competitive Common Council races. Only one incumbent, Ald. Jim Bohl, isn’t facing a challenger.

Peterson insisted the group and others that he’s created are focused on improving conditions in Milwaukee, such as combating crime and improving job opportunities for city residents, especially African-Americans.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Apr 4, 2016 • 5:44:11am

re: #30 Amory Blaine

Sure that article isn’t about Washington, DC?

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 4, 2016 • 5:52:13am

So, regarding the Panama Papers, the list of US names will apparently be released at 1700 Central European Time (that’s 11:00 am Eastern Time or 8:00 am Pacific Time for you Lizards in the USA. ETA: Maybe. I’ve seen nothing official yet from SD Zeitung.

Heh…..could get interesting. This is going big in the international media.

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Bass Reeves  Apr 4, 2016 • 5:57:42am

re: #30 Amory Blaine

Interesting that the first thing they did was help that token black Obama bashing Sheriff get re-elected, but then they run radio spots against the mayor talking about rising crime.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 4, 2016 • 5:58:31am

re: #12 Stanley Sea

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Well, at least he’s not as stupid as this guy…

Sure looks like a “666” to me!
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Dr Lizardo  Apr 4, 2016 • 6:06:33am

OK, so it looks like the full list regarding the Panama Papers will be released by the ICIJ in early May.

pbs.twimg.com

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 4, 2016 • 6:08:53am

re: #35 Dr Lizardo

OK, so it looks like the full list regarding the Panama Papers will be released by the ICIJ in early May.

pbs.twimg.com

It will sure be interesting to see which Americans are on the list.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 4, 2016 • 6:13:56am

re: #36 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It will sure be interesting to see which Americans are on the list.

Indeed it will.

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Amory Blaine  Apr 4, 2016 • 6:18:12am

Ryan rejects nomination speculation: ‘I’m not that person’

Paul Ryan says he’s not the fresh face: “If you want to be president you have to run for president”

Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) in an interview on Monday rejected any interest in seeking the GOP presidential nomination.

“I do believe people put my name in this thing, and I say, ‘Get my name out of that,’ ” he said on “The Hugh Hewitt Show.” “If you want to be president, you should go run for president. And that’s just the way I see it.

“I’m not that person. I’d like to think my face is somewhat fresh, but I’m not for this conversation. I think you need to run for president if you’re going to run for president, and I’m not running for president. Period, end of story.”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 4, 2016 • 6:20:37am

re: #37 Dr Lizardo

Indeed it will.

I anticipate some Chinese officials and their family members to show up, too — more than just the few already identified.

Official Chinese news agencies have nothing about the leaks, as yet.

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Great White Snark  Apr 4, 2016 • 6:22:00am

re: #37 Dr Lizardo

Unless it’s our highest officials, the most interesting part might be Vladimir Putins involvement. 2 Billion?.

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zora  Apr 4, 2016 • 6:24:56am

I hope, I hope, I hope Donald Trump is on the list.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 4, 2016 • 6:25:52am

re: #39 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I anticipate some Chinese officials and their family members to show up, too — more than just the few already identified.

Official Chinese news agencies have nothing about the leaks, as yet.

And most likely, they never will.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 4, 2016 • 6:27:09am

re: #40 Great White Snark

Unless it’s our highest officials, the most interesting part might be Vladimir Putins involvement. 2 Billion?.

From what I’m seeing here and there, there are several Czechs on the list….about 280 or so. The Czech media is now starting to report it.

They’ve gotta be nervous right about now, methinks.

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Alyosha  Apr 4, 2016 • 6:27:10am

re: #41 zora

He wishes he had that kind of money.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 4, 2016 • 6:28:14am

re: #39 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I anticipate some Chinese officials and their family members to show up, too — more than just the few already identified.

Official Chinese news agencies have nothing about the leaks, as yet.

In fact, the Great Firewall is now blocking both the ICIJ’s Panama Papers site and search requests for “panama papers.” I was able to access both only six hours ago.

IIRC, the current president’s brother-in-law has been named and some relatives of former and present Politburo members, too, so far.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 4, 2016 • 6:28:36am
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 4, 2016 • 6:29:41am

re: #41 zora

I hope, I hope, I hope Donald Trump is on the list.

I do the best money-launderings!

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makeitstop  Apr 4, 2016 • 6:29:43am

re: #44 Alyosha

He wishes he had that kind of money.

That’s what I’ve been thinking s well. For all his bragging, Trump may be small-time compared to the people on the list.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 4, 2016 • 6:30:40am

re: #45 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

In fact, the Great Firewall is now blocking both the ICIJ’s Panama Papers site and search requests for “panama papers.” I was able to access both only six hours ago.

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IIRC, the current president’s brother-in-law has been named and some relatives of former and present Politburo members, too, so far.

My shocked face, etc.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 4, 2016 • 6:32:53am

re: #17 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I think it’s a fake. The skin between the letters is just a glossy as the letters are. That tells me it’s just a big plastic sticker or something like that.

On a new tattoo you put salve over it to keep it from cracking and drying. Just looks like the sheen from the salve.

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Alyosha  Apr 4, 2016 • 6:35:30am

‘Everyone’s doing it.’
Never change, you Putinista sumbitch.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 4, 2016 • 6:37:23am

re: #49 Dr Lizardo

My shocked face, etc.

I’m surprised it took the Internet Harmonizers so long to shut off access. I was reading the ICIJ reports only this afternoon (nighttime here now). It’s not total blockage, as I can read the reports from the BBC and other offshore sites, but I’m sure any Chinese language news about it is totally blocked.

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2016 • 6:40:25am

OMG, rich people use tax havens and other tax avoidance measures. That’s not the bad part. It’s if the people are actually evading the tax laws of their nations and shielding their income improperly.

Tax avoidance ≠ tax evasion. Only the latter is illegal and criminalized. That’s what the focus has to be on. Tax avoidance is maximizing your tax deductions, credits, and other adjustments to minimize your tax bill legally.

It speaks to the lax tax laws in many countries, and if there’s national leaders who are engaging in the evasion part, then you’re talking about corruption and theft from those nations. And that’s critical to those nations trying to clean up their tax systems to make sure that they are collecting the appropriate tax revenues (and if they are, then they can actually reduce tax burdens on everyone else).

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Alyosha  Apr 4, 2016 • 6:45:31am

I guess we’ll see…

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 4, 2016 • 6:48:22am

re: #54 Alyosha

LOL he’s on the list.

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2016 • 6:50:41am

My son has gotten me to listen to a podcast called “Welcome to Night Vale.” The podcast is a guy reading the happenings in the town as the radio news guy. The town has strange things going on, such as when an airplane disappeared in the sky and then briefly reappeared a few hours later in the school gym during the boys basketball practice (an event they blamed on a rival high school). But this section was funny (paraphrasing because I can’t actually access the sites with the actual quote at work):

The NRA is giving away bumper stickers. As we serve all of the community, I will now describe it to you. It is made of sturdy plastic, and it says that guns don’t kill people. Which is true since we are all immortal, a blessing. To get one, stand outside of your front door and shout “NRA!”

There’s a book out as well, that’s not a transcript of the podcasts, but a story that’s about the described town.

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Bass Reeves  Apr 4, 2016 • 6:53:08am

re: #53 lawhawk

The story that popped up for me (and prolly most who visited the site) dealt with the guy on the FIFA ethics committee. He wasn’t on the site for tax avoidance or evasion, but for his involvement in shell companies that were implicated in bribing FIFA and foreign officials. So beyond heads of state and members of government, there is interest in this beyond simple tax evasion (although I’m pretty sure that money is better off circulating in society).

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2016 • 7:04:30am

As if they’re trying to outdo the GOP crackup:

These folks are ignorant of the opportunity presented by the GOP self-immolation over being the racist/misogynist/bigoted party, and figure it’s time to cause a split with Democrats? Seriously? And they think that they’ll get more accomplished despite not spending money on down-ticket races, who are critical for any president passing their agenda through Congress.

As currently constituted, Congress will block anything either Hillary or Bernie proposes. But Hillary’s actually trying to raise money to retake Congress from the GOP, while Bernie’s been pretty absent from those efforts. That’s a big reason why superdelegates aren’t jumping to Bernie. Why would they? What kind of support is Bernie given them, or will give them?

Is Hillary the perfect candidate? Nope. She doesn’t have to be. She just has to be a better candidate than any of the GOPers and she’s already shown herself to be a better candidate than Bernie (winning more delegates, more popular votes, and more supers is testament to that).

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Alyosha  Apr 4, 2016 • 7:08:01am

A car just crashed through the fence of a neighbour’s house.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 4, 2016 • 7:08:40am

re: #45 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

In fact, the Great Firewall is now blocking both the ICIJ’s Panama Papers site and search requests for “panama papers.” I was able to access both only six hours ago.

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IIRC, the current president’s brother-in-law has been named and some relatives of former and present Politburo members, too, so far.

Just like Trump would have it in the US. No bad reporting on politicians. To paraphrase what Trump has said, China know how to do it.

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Alyosha  Apr 4, 2016 • 7:08:40am

re: #55 Dr Lizardo

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b.d.  Apr 4, 2016 • 7:13:31am

re: #59 Alyosha

A car just crashed through the fence of a neighbour’s house.

oh no

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b.d.  Apr 4, 2016 • 7:15:20am

re: #58 lawhawk

Shaun King is well on his own course to oblivion, he’s just trying to get some passengers.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 4, 2016 • 7:18:47am

re: #58 lawhawk

I agree w/ Michelle Alexander. We should form our own progressive party. In fact, it has already started. t.co
— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) April 4, 2016

The stopwatch reads, ‘14 minutes and 39 seconds’.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Apr 4, 2016 • 7:20:14am

re: #59 Alyosha

A car just crashed through the fence of a neighbour’s house.

We built an addition onto the basement of our corner rowhouse for my wife’s office. It got hit by cars twice. The first time some 14 year old went joy riding in his father’s car and got the car up over the 2 foor retaining wall around the lawn and hit the house/office. No damage to the building. The last time somebody hit the broadside of the office right where we have this little black wrought iron railing in front of the door. When I heard about it, I rushed over expecting to find a car in the waiting room under a pile of bricks. It turns out the railing won. Big time. The front end of the car was completely caved in, the driver was in handcuffs, and the railing had a scratch on it, and a dent that you could only see by holding a straight edge up against it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 4, 2016 • 7:20:57am

re: #57 Bass Reeves

The story that popped up for me (and prolly most who visited the site) dealt with the guy on the FIFA ethics committee. He wasn’t on the site for tax avoidance or evasion, but for his involvement in shell companies that were implicated in bribing FIFA and foreign officials. So beyond heads of state and members of government, there is interest in this beyond simple tax evasion (although I’m pretty sure that money is better off circulating in society).

FIFA is a bit of a government unto itself, in that it makes its own laws and regulations and, in the case of the slave laborers for the upcoming games in Qatar, also ignores basic human rights.

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gocart mozart  Apr 4, 2016 • 7:21:08am
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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2016 • 7:22:43am

re: #67 gocart mozart

Bryan Fischer’s worst nightmare? /

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Alyosha  Apr 4, 2016 • 7:24:41am

re: #62 b.d.

No one seemed hurt but the presumed driver was hyperventilating and passed out for a while on the curb. Damage-wise, I’ll see when I leave for work tomorrow.
And on that note.

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2016 • 7:30:59am
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gocart mozart  Apr 4, 2016 • 7:32:10am

re: #68 lawhawk

Bryan Fischer’s worst nightmare? /

I don’t get it, what does that mean?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 4, 2016 • 7:34:41am

re: #71 gocart mozart

I don’t get it, what does that mean?

I assume a play on the term “bear” for a hairy-chested gay.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 4, 2016 • 7:35:16am

re: #70 lawhawk

BAM!

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2016 • 7:35:42am

Objectively, Trump has no business being president. He lacks the character and judgment to be president. His unhinged statements, inability to stick to facts, and inventing details out of whole cloth are unusual in their extremism and regularity - even for politicians who lie early and often.

Add to that the statements he makes about use of military force, nuclear weapons, NATO, and immigration, and you’ve got a bigoted misogynist whose idea of a good day is to nuke Europe or the Middle East and build a wall to keep all the undesirables out of the nation. Of course, his supporters love him for this, because it’s precisely the xenophobic position that they’ve craved after 8 years of a non-white guy in the White House and have watched as minorities finally get some of the equal rights and protections that they should have had for decades.

Oh, and today’s SCT ruling on Texas further identifies that there’s much work to be done and that the GOP continues to oppose equal rights and protections since they’re still pushing to limit rights to minorities all across the nation.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 4, 2016 • 7:36:04am

re: #72 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

re: #71 gocart mozart

I don’t get it, what does that mean?

Fischer, for some bizarre reason, has a fixation on the dangers of bears.

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2016 • 7:36:55am

re: #71 gocart mozart

I don’t get it, what does that mean?

There’s a longstanding issue that Fischer has with bears. Pathological fear. And thinks that bear attacks are proof that god is cursing us for not following biblical law.

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2016 • 7:38:20am

re: #70 lawhawk

Can you give the link to an article? The link given seems to point back to a tweet.

Edit: Never mind.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2016 • 7:40:01am

re: #70 lawhawk

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Evenwel v Abbott (yes, Texas Gov. Abbott) Vote was 8-0 to affirm.

Opinion here (PDF)

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 4, 2016 • 7:41:14am

re: #74 lawhawk

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Objectively, Trump has no business being president. He lacks the character and judgment to be president. His unhinged statements, inability to stick to facts, and inventing details out of whole cloth are unusual in their extremism and regularity - even for politicians who lie early and often.

And he has no experience as an elected official. Which many voters see as a good thing…

DTis a master of the Tweet and the sound byte. Some of which, taken separately, do not sound completely bat-shit crazy. But taken together, they spell out no coherent policy beyond telling supporters whatever he thinks they want to hear at the moment. And he knows that his supporters are too ADD to string things together or step back and look at the big picture.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 4, 2016 • 7:41:54am

re: #75 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Fischer, for some bizarre reason, has a fixation on the dangers of bears.

Obviously had a bad experience with one or two in San Francisco…

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2016 • 7:42:52am

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

Evenwel v Abbott (yes, Texas Gov. Abbott) Vote was 8-0 to affirm.

Opinion here (PDF)

So, not only no, but hell no. That’s good.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 4, 2016 • 7:51:36am

re: #81 Belafon

So, not only no, but hell no. That’s good.

Oh boy, the comments in the Statesman will be alive with the sound of bigots today.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 4, 2016 • 7:54:32am

re: #80 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Obviously had a bad experience with one or two in San Francisco…

Sneaking around those bear bars late at night.

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:01:56am

Democrats are benefiting from fact that the GOP has been actively suppressing minority votes wherever possible, and by any means necessary. This includes VoterID, attempts to circumvent 1-person, 1-vote, as they did in Texas (where Gov. Abbott and the state GOP attempted to define jurisdictions based on those who vote, rather than those who live in a given geographical area).

Curiously, this also undermines the whole nature of the unborn having rights. By the GOP measure of votes, the unborn aren’t counted since they don’t vote. /no, not entirely.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:04:38am

Michelle Lite….

Ghaaa….!!!

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Dave In Austin  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:07:24am

re: #85 Dave In Austin

Michelle Lite….

Ghaaa….!!!

Let me add….

Colorado Springs Finest

Facebook Post

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:08:26am

A question: If Scalia had been alive, would the vote have been 9-0, 8-1, 6-3, or 5-4?

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:10:19am

re: #87 Belafon

I think he might have made it unanimous. 9-0. Yes, the GOP’s Texas efforts are that egregious.

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sagehen  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:13:51am

re: #56 Belafon

My son has gotten me to listen to a podcast called “Welcome to Night Vale.” The podcast is a guy reading the happenings in the town as the radio news guy.

“The City Council announces the opening of a new dog park at the corner of Earl and Sommerset, near the Ralph’s. They would like to remind everyone that dogs are not allowed in the dog park. People are not allowed in the dog park. It is possible that you will see hooded figures in the dog park. DO NOT APPROACH THEM. DO NOT APPROACH THE DOG PARK. The fence is electrified and highly dangerous. Try not to look at the dog park, and, especially, do not look for any period of time at the hooded figures. The dog park will not harm you.”

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:19:06am

re: #89 sagehen

I just started listening to them this morning, as part of my drive to work. There’s enough detail in that first podcast that I may have to listen to it twice. A few times, when I had to pay more attention to traffic than the podcast, I’d refocus and realize I’d missed a small detail.

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sagehen  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:22:31am

re: #90 Belafon

If you’re not a Cecil/Carlos shipper yet… you will be.

Also, Nightvale has the best cats.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:22:56am

re: #86 Dave In Austin

QuakeFeed is a great app. There are daily “earthquakes” in Oklahoma. Right where they are fracking.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:23:41am

NOT The Onion:

Sarah Palin bizarrely poses with dead hog in plea for Wisconsin voters to back Trump

In a Sunday Facebook posting, Palin can be seen caressing the dead hog. A rifle in the photograph suggests that the animal had been recently killed.

“Faith of America is in you to take us forward on Tuesday,” she wrote to Wisconsin voters. “[R]emain strong and independent of the status quo political establishment so your vote will truly represent your optimistic spirit and desire to WORK!”

Sarah Palin bizarrely poses with dead hog in plea for Wisconsin voters to back Trump http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/sarah-palin-bizarrely-poses-with-dead-hog-in-plea-for-wisconsin-voters-to-back-trump/
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Belafon  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:24:21am

re: #91 sagehen

If you’re not a Cecil/Carlos shipper yet… you will be.

Also, Nightvale has the best cats.

I caught the “Perfect Carlos” thing already.

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:25:45am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:26:21am

re: #93 Dr. Matt

NOT The Onion:

Sarah Palin bizarrely poses with dead hog in plea for Wisconsin voters to back Trump

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That picture is old. It’s from quite some time ago when she was participating in (read=getting photo ops) canned hunts at Ted Nugent’s place.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:26:35am

re: #93 Dr. Matt

Hmmmmm. Palmetto Palms and 400lb wild boars in Wisconsin. Got it Sarah.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:27:14am

re: #95 lawhawk

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Trump’s obsession with Oreos has something to do with them being baked in Mexico…

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Dr. Matt  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:29:33am

re: #97 Dave In Austin

Hmmmmm. Palmetto Palms and 400lb wild boars in Wisconsin. Got it Sarah.

Awww, sort of like a 45 year old getting on tinder and using pics of when she was in college.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:30:16am

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump’s obsession with Oreos has something to do with them being baked in Mexico…

Maybe that explains why I found a worm in the last cookie of the bag………

// Runs away…..//

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:31:59am

Pay attention to the helicopter colors.

OMG, Night Vale is great!

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:32:56am

re: #100 Dave In Austin

Maybe that explains why I found a worm in the last cookie of the bag………

// Runs away…..//

You’re supposed to eat it, man!! That’s where the really good cream filling is!! It’ll give you a buzz like you wouldn’t believe!

Heh.

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:34:08am

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah, Mondelez International is the company that now owns the brand. Except it’s a US company that functionally was a spinoff of Kraft. And those Oreos meant for the US market are made in the US.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:36:41am

re: #103 lawhawk

Yeah, Mondelez International is the company that now owns the brand. Except it’s a US company that functionally was a spinoff of Kraft. And those Oreos meant for the US market are made in the US.

Doesn’t matter to Trump…American Oreos have Mexican cooties as a result of tenuous associations…

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Dr. Matt  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:38:35am

Trump’s obsession with Mexico is like Rage Furby’s obsession with women who get raped.

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makeitstop  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:38:36am

So (checks clock)… It’s 11:37. Do we have a list of Americans yet?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:40:57am

re: #93 Dr. Matt

Wtf does she know about “WORK”.

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Lidane  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:42:19am

re: #70 lawhawk

The sound you hear everywhere outside of the Texas GOP offices today:

Kool & The Gang - Celebration

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:45:06am

re: #106 makeitstop

So (checks clock)… It’s 11:37. Do we have a list of Americans yet?

Nope. Nothing yet. In any event, it seems the full list will be out by early May. And I’m sure info will come out from time to time, especially if it’s a prominent individual or something like that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:48:30am

heh

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Lidane  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:50:04am

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

That explains why Chachi endorsed Trump. He’s a moron.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:50:47am

re: #106 makeitstop

So (checks clock)… It’s 11:37. Do we have a list of Americans yet?

What does this mean? What’s happening? A new impending faux outrage?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:51:48am

re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth

That picture is old. It’s from quite some time ago when she was participating in (read=getting photo ops) canned hunts at Ted Nugent’s place.

Trump had Sarah Palin fill in for him at some speech in Wisconsin and apparently she kinda bombed.

In recent days, he has dispatched Sarah Palin, the former Alaska governor, in hopes of bolstering his credibility with conservatives. But speaking at a local party dinner on Friday in Milwaukee, where Mr. Cruz and Gov. John Kasich of Ohio also held forth, Ms. Palin struggled to connect.

She drew only occasional applause in a disjointed, uncomfortable speech, and several attendees giggled as she spoke. Some former admirers of Ms. Palin said they could not reconcile her support for Mr. Trump.

“I don’t want to be afraid to vote for a candidate,” Suzanne Frohna, 65, of Cudahy, said of Mr. Trump, before appraising Ms. Palin’s speech as “tweety, like a bird.” “I wouldn’t be afraid to vote for Cruz,” she added.

The quote from the Wash Post was even more damning but it’s behind the paywall.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:52:40am

re: #107 GlutenFreeJesus

Wtf does she know about “WORK”.

It’s possible she’s seen other people work.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:53:09am

re: #113 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

If that’s the review, it’s probably the best speech she ever gave.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:53:11am

re: #112 Dr. Matt

What does this mean? What’s happening? A new impending faux outrage?

Allegedly, a list of Americans in the Panama Papers was going to be released at 5:00 pm European time, but that hasn’t happened, so I guess we’ll all just have to wait and see.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:54:08am

re: #116 Dr Lizardo

Allegedly, a list of Americans in the Panama Papers was going to be released at 5:00 pm European time, but that hasn’t happened, so I guess we’ll all just have to wait and see.

Ah. Thanks.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:56:34am

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

Somehow I think he doesn’t understand just how poorly the local climate supports golf courses.

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makeitstop  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:56:45am

re: #112 Dr. Matt

What does this mean? What’s happening? A new impending faux outrage?

There was supposed to have been a drop of a list of Americans involved in the Panama Papers scandal. From the ‘early May’ announcement, I guess it might not be happening.

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Alephnaught  Apr 4, 2016 • 8:57:27am

re: #116 Dr Lizardo

Allegedly, a list of Americans in the Panama Papers was going to be released at 5:00 pm European time, but that hasn’t happened, so I guess we’ll all just have to wait and see.

Is the Central European time or GMT? It’s just about to go 5pm GMT.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 4, 2016 • 9:01:23am

A bit of a break.

In the southern US we have Mexican Blackbirds, or Boat-Tailed Grackles that congregate in the trees of malls and grocery stores.

Here’s a bit about them.

kut.org

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 4, 2016 • 9:01:58am

re: #120 Alephnaught

Is the Central European time or GMT? It’s just about to go 5pm GMT.

Central European Time.

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wrenchwench  Apr 4, 2016 • 9:08:30am

re: #121 Dave In Austin

A bit of a break.

In the southern US we have Mexican Blackbirds, or Boat-Tailed Grackles that congregate in the trees of malls and grocery stores.

Here’s a bit about them.

kut.org

They hang out in the trees around one of the two Catholic churches here.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 4, 2016 • 9:09:50am

re: #114 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

It’s possible she’s seen other people work.

Probably read about it somewhere.

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2016 • 9:10:35am

re: #124 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Probably read about it somewhere.

It’s in all her favorite newspapers.

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Lidane  Apr 4, 2016 • 9:10:38am

Freepers are predictably losing their shit over that SCOTUS ruling:

Deport all illegals, problem solved.

Figures. Anything that dilutes the votes of eligible citizens is gold to the Marxists.

So if you run a sanctuary city you get more seats in congress? Is that what this means?

In other words, shift the balance in state legislatures to the democrats.

The concept of the “nation” is dead. Pretty soon, third worlders back in their own lands of Bolivian and Ghana et al, will be deciding what you are allowed to say and how you will be allowed to live.

Constitution says persons, not citizens.

Our Founding Fathers appear to have actually gotten something wrong there.

I notice how cavalier they are about throwing the Constitution and rule of law down the sewer.

I guess without judge Scalia gone, the way is clear to finish off what’s left of this once great Republic.

The nation has gone to hell.

You could nevertheless reasonably interpret “persons” as “Citizens”

After all, this Court somehow found “homosexual marriage” and abortion on demand in the language.

How is a non-citizen, illegally present, entitled to any “representation” by an elected official? Officials should not be responding in any fashion to persons who are not citizens or legal permanent residents with an established “domicile” in their respective districts.

I’m a resident of Idaho. I had to work in San Diego for a while, but was not a “resident of California”. I was subjected to income taxation by California (and Idaho and Nebraska), yet my only valid call on an elected official was in Idaho where I own my home. It’s a travesty that I’m compelled to pay income tax to 3 states, yet only allowed representation where I’m a resident. How is that persons who are not legal residents get counted for purposes of determining proportional representation in the US House of Representatives or apportionment of state representatives? If you can’t vote, why is your presence a factor in determining representation? It should be apportioned based on the number of legal voters. The court screwed up this opinion.

It’s a good day. :)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 4, 2016 • 9:16:19am

re: #121 Dave In Austin

A bit of a break.

In the southern US we have Mexican Blackbirds, or Boat-Tailed Grackles that congregate in the trees of malls and grocery stores.

Here’s a bit about them.

kut.org

Ah, grackles. When I was young’un, my dad listened to Rambling with Gambling on WOR-AM New York. John Gambling’s sidekick (forget his name now Peter Roberts, one of the newscasters — thank you Wikipedia!) every so often would wax eloquently about the grackles in Central Park. It was a thing, and one of the few bits on that radio program that has stuck in my memory.

Other old timers from NYC probably know what I’m talking about.

I grew up listening to Bob & Ray and Jean Shepherd, too. Dad loved all those radio programs, and when you were a kid riding in Dad’s car, you listened to what he listened to.

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Great White Snark  Apr 4, 2016 • 9:18:06am

re: #29 Ming5000

Hey everybody! We landed on the moon!

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Oops, they are not talking about lifestyle and diet changes. They are talking about:

I keep wanting to put a Trump “Make America” meme on that bright red shirt belly.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 4, 2016 • 9:18:46am

re: #128 Great White Snark

I keep wanting to put a Trump “Make America” meme on that bright red shirt belly.

Make America Yoooge!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2016 • 9:19:00am

re: #126 Lidane

Freepers are predictably losing their shit over that SCOTUS ruling:

It’s a good day. :)

Constitution says persons, not citizens.

Our Founding Fathers appear to have actually gotten something wrong there.

Guessing that person is not familiar with WHY the founding fathers did that.

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Great White Snark  Apr 4, 2016 • 9:21:34am

Lots of expose’ today this one might get overlooked.
Donald Trumps Inside Leverage Over Fox News? — NYMag
Paged

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wrenchwench  Apr 4, 2016 • 9:27:19am
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Bass Reeves  Apr 4, 2016 • 9:27:30am

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

Multiple people explain the original reasoning in the article. It’s not lack of understanding, it’s just bigotry.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 4, 2016 • 9:31:30am

Regarding the Panama Papers, according to Le Monde, very few Americans are included in the list, and no public figures.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Apr 4, 2016 • 9:33:40am

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dear Scooter,
time.com
Arctic winter sea ice hits record low amid higher temperatures.

Sincerely,

Global Warming

P.S. Keep up the good work. It’s been a great run with your help!

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Dave In Austin  Apr 4, 2016 • 9:33:48am

re: #134 Dr Lizardo

Regarding the Panama Papers, according to Le Monde, very few Americans are included in the list, and no public figures.

Well all, if true, I will venture to say that’s a good thing. Regardless, those on the list must be held accountable.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 4, 2016 • 9:35:29am

re: #136 Dave In Austin

Well all, if true, I will venture to say that’s a good thing. Regardless, those on the list must be held accountable.

Indeed; however, the cynic in me says that wealthy Americans make use of other companies for their offshoring needs.

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Great White Snark  Apr 4, 2016 • 9:38:56am

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2016 • 9:39:37am

re: #137 Dr Lizardo

Indeed; however, the cynic in me says that wealthy Americans make use of other companies for their offshoring needs.

At the same time, we also already have some laws addressing offshore bank accounts and businesses. A lot of the countries on the list didn’t have anything like that.

But, having said that, I’m a bit surprised more Americans than a few are involved. Though it sounds like it requires more money than even Trump deals in.

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2016 • 9:44:20am

re: #112 Dr. Matt

What does this mean? What’s happening? A new impending faux outrage?

Here’s the LGF post about it: littlegreenfootballs.com.

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Jay C  Apr 4, 2016 • 9:45:11am

re: #126 Lidane

Leaving aside the schadenfreude-enhancing griping from the wingnuts
over the Evenwel decision, this carp:

I’m a resident of Idaho. I had to work in San Diego for a while, but was not a “resident of California”. I was subjected to income taxation by California (and Idaho and Nebraska), yet my only valid call on an elected official was in Idaho where I own my home. It’s a travesty that I’m compelled to pay income tax to 3 states, yet only allowed representation where I’m a resident. How is that persons who are not legal residents get counted for purposes of determining proportional representation in the US House of Representatives or apportionment of state representatives? If you can’t vote, why is your presence a factor in determining representation? It should be apportioned based on the number of legal voters. The court screwed up this opinion.

seems to show that the commenter’s grasp of tax regulations is about as solid as his understanding of the Constitution. Unless I’m wrong (always possible) aren’t workers only taxed by one state at a time ? IOW, if this guy lives in Idaho, but pays tax to CA for work done there, aren’t employment taxes paid to one state deductible from the tax liability from another one? Maybe he should spend less time on FR, and more with an accountant…..

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2016 • 9:45:18am

re: #140 Dr. Matt

Highway Patrol Chases Very Good Boy Across Bay Bridge

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The cop who videotaped it called the dog Ponch.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 4, 2016 • 9:55:29am

Been reading up on the Panama scandal…I am waiting for the first spin docs to argue that if we simply did not tax the rich, they would invest it all in job creation and not tax shelters…

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 4, 2016 • 9:56:19am

re: #19 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

My grandniece is now officially a lance corporal in the USMC. That is all.

Well done, young lady. Semper Fi.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 4, 2016 • 9:56:33am

re: #144 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Been reading up on the Panama scandal…I am waiting for the first spin docs to argue that if we simply did not tax the rich, they would invest it all in job creation and not tax shelters…

They’re already complaining it’s a gross invasion of privacy and felony theft of information.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 4, 2016 • 9:56:54am

re: #142 Jay C

Leaving aside the schadenfreude-enhancing griping from the wingnuts
over the Evenwel decision, this carp:

seems to show that the commenter’s grasp of tax regulations is about as solid as his understanding of the Constitution. Unless I’m wrong (always possible) aren’t workers only taxed by one state at a time ? IOW, if this guy lives in Idaho, but pays tax to CA for work done there, aren’t employment taxes paid to one state deductible from the tax liability from another one? Maybe he should spend less time on FR, and more with an accountant…..

For a while, I worked in Louisville, but lived across the river in Indiana. I had to file state tax returns in two jurisdictions, and my employer was obliged to deduct state and local taxes from my pay. But, I could use those outside taxes as deductions on my state tax returns.

It sounds complicated, but in practice it all went smoothly.

Now i live in China. My employer here pulls national taxes from my pay before it hits the bank (1.6% of my pay), and I still must file US tax returns each year, but foreign income below $100,000 is not taxed by Uncle Sam. My income is well below that.

Perhaps sadly, I will probably never need an offshore tax shelter for my vast thousands of dollars.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Apr 4, 2016 • 9:58:14am

re: #142 Jay C

Don’t expect much more than incoherence. He may be combining municipal taxes with state taxes. In fact, I’m sure he is and is being deliberately deceptive about doing so. For example, Philadelphia non-residents pay a wage tax if they work in the city. For a NJ resident, that guy might say he is paying taxes to NJ and PA. If that person said they were paying city taxes to the city they worked in, most people would know that’s not unusual.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 4, 2016 • 9:59:14am

re: #145 Romantic Heretic

Well done, young lady. Semper Fi.

She’s terrific. She injured her leg somehow in training, and accepted her commission on crutches.

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 4, 2016 • 9:59:36am

re: #39 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I anticipate some Chinese officials and their family members to show up, too — more than just the few already identified.

Official Chinese news agencies have nothing about the leaks, as yet.

And they probably won’t if they know what’s good for them.

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:00:59am

re: #142 Jay C

You can get a credit against tax paid for one state versus another, but if he’s in a state more than a period of time (typically 180 days), then you’re considered an in-state resident of that state, regardless of whether you own a home in another state.

But the way taxes are computed in each state, it is possible that you could owe taxes to two or more states even after the credits are computed.

For example, I live in NJ but worked in NY. I have to do tax returns for both. Depending on the circumstances, you could end up paying tax in both (there’s often withholding taken for both states, and you might get refunded for both).

But tax law isn’t the cure-all or end all for determining where you vote.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:02:01am

re: #150 Romantic Heretic

And they probably won’t if they know what’s good for them.

The Intertubes are being scrubbed clean. Online discussions, too. So far, ICIJ has not revealed too much that hasn’t been reported already by the NY Times, Bloomberg and the WSJ, but those sites are blocked, too.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:03:35am

re: #151 lawhawk

The only sure things are death and taxes. So if you’re not dead, stop complaining.

If you are dead, complaining won’t help. But at least you won’t have to pay taxes anymore.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:06:20am

re: #153 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The only sure things are death and taxes. So if you’re not dead, stop complaining.

If you are dead, complaining won’t help. But at least you won’t have to pay taxes anymore.

Nothing wrong with being politically active and making sure that taxation is at a level that produces more benefits than disadvantages.

But this whole attitude of “Taxation is Theft!” has got to go.

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Lidane  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:07:57am

re: #154 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

But this whole attitude of “Taxation is Theft!” has got to go.

Ever notice how the same dumbshits who scream that taxation is theft ALSO whine about toll roads when they drive on them?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:08:08am

re: #147 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

For a while, I worked in Louisville, but lived across the river in Indiana. I had to file state tax returns in two jurisdictions, and my employer was obliged to deduct state and local taxes from my pay. But, I could use those outside taxes as deductions on my state tax returns.

Kentucky now has reciprocal agreements with surrounding states, including Indiana. Today, you would only have Indiana state taxes deducted from your Kentucky pay, unless Kentucky’s income tax rate was higher, then you pay the difference to Kentucky in addition to what you paid Indiana.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:08:50am

re: #154 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Nothing wrong with being politically active and making sure that taxation is at a level that produces more benefits than disadvantages.

But this whole attitude of “Taxation is Theft!” has got to go.

Part of their problem with taxes is the mistaken belief that their money is going to help other people who don’t work. They don’t realize those taxes benefit them personally as well — at least if they use any community resources or collect any sort of federal benefits.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:10:29am

re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kentucky now has reciprocal agreements with surrounding states, including Indiana. Today, you would only have Indiana state taxes deducted from your Kentucky pay, unless Kentucky’s income tax rate was higher, then you pay the difference to Kentucky in addition to what you paid Indiana.

When did it change? I moved to Hoosierville in 2006. Or maybe 2007.

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:10:51am

re: #155 Lidane

Ever notice how the same dumbshits who scream that taxation is theft ALSO whine about toll roads when they drive on them?

In a related note, the sovereign citizen/welfare queen nuts are busy plotting the next step after Malheur NWR standoff ended. They wanted something for nothing, and still want something for nothing.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:12:11am

re: #151 lawhawk

College sucked for taxes.

File in the state you maintain residency. File in the state you attend college. File in the state you worked in over the summer.

And most of the time all that work was to show that I owed very little, if anything, and sometimes they owed me back.

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:12:21am

re: #70 lawhawk

To which the Texas racists, I mean conservatives, replied, “Guess we’ll do this the old fashioned way. Boys! Let’s go hang us some wetbacks and nigras. Set fire to ‘em and post pictures on this new fangled internet. The rest of ‘em subhumans’ll get the message fast.

Damn, we wouldn’t have to do this if Scalia hadn’t gone and died on us.”

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Jenner7  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:14:16am

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:15:30am

re: #158 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

When did it change? I moved to Hoosierville in 2006. Or maybe 2007.

Not sure when. I’ve never had to pay Illinois state tax since I’ve been here in Kentucky (about 20 years). Only time I have to file is when the boss forgets and deducts Illinois, so I have to file to get that money refunded.
Moot point now since I now work for him as a self-employed freelancer.

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makeitstop  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:16:34am

In the Wild Things I’ve Learned Today department - a friend of me and my wife was the lead developer on the software that ICIJ used to analyze the Panama Papers documents.

I guess I really do have pretty smart friends.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:18:57am

Princeton University convened a special committee to examine whether the school should rename a residential college and the School of Public Policy and International Affairs, which are both named after Woodrow Wilson. There were growing complaints that Wilson’s racist view were sending the wrong message to minority students and others.

The committee issued its report today. No name changes. But it recommended frank, informative discussion about Wilson’s racism, and a modification of the school’s informal motto (Princeton in the Nation’s Service) which Wilson had originated as university president.

Woo hoo.

I am not impressed.

bigstory.ap.org

And if you want to read the committee’s report, here’s the PDF.

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:22:11am

re: #162 Jenner7

King’s so totally in the tank for Bernie that he thinks that wishful thinking is substitute for actual facts - or history. Or math.

Delegate math in particular. He thinks that Bernie can win both NY and CA. That’s just not going to happen. At no time has he even sniffed NY or CA in polling. And he can’t just sniff - or even barely win.

He has to win decisively in both states to make up ground against Hillary.

Hillary just has to play out the string and wins. Handily winning in NY would essentially end Bernie’s campaign (55-45). Bernie’s got to win by an even greater measure, but he’s down 10 points. He needs a 20 point swing to even make up the kind of ground he needs.

That’s not happening, and the sooner his supporters realize basic delegate math, the better.

And how do Bernie bros retort to this? MICHIGAN!!!!

What about Michigan can you claim as a win? How many more delegates did you get than Hillary? On the same day that he won Michigan, he lost Mississippi by a 32-4 margin, meaning he lost ground in the delegate count. The Michigan win meant that his defeat wasn’t nearly as bad as it could have been.

Bernie can’t just win states. He has to win by 14 point margins - 57-43. In a place like NY, that means turning a 55-45 Hillary lead into a mirror image. That’s a hugely improbably swing in Clinton’s home state.

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:23:21am

re: #154 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Nothing wrong with being politically active and making sure that taxation is at a level that produces more benefits than disadvantages.

But this whole attitude of “Taxation is Theft!” has got to go.

To such people I say, “A lot of people bled and died in far off lands, and here in this country, for you to have the freedom and privileges that you do. You’re not even willing to pay money for those things?”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:23:32am

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not sure when. I’ve never had to pay Illinois state tax since I’ve been here in Kentucky (about 20 years). Only time I have to file is when the boss forgets and deducts Illinois, so I have to file to get that money refunded.
Moot point now since I now work for him as a self-employed freelancer.

I don’t remember all those details, either. I just did what I was supposed to, and promptly forgot it all until the following year.

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Kragar  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:24:52am
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Dave In Austin  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:26:05am

re: #162 Jenner7

Have you talked to her about what’s at stake with down ballot Democrats yet? To me that is the most important issue at hand. I support HRC because “all the reasons”, but don’t particularly like her….. I’ll vote for Bernie if he’s the candidate because “No Republicans ever again”. That said, Bernie has a “Will see” attitude about the down ballot that I have a real problem with at this time.

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:26:23am

re: #169 Kragar

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Jenner7  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:32:11am

re: #170 Dave In Austin

I’m dealing with this kind of stuff:

Actually, she’s right. We are fed up with the oligarchy and we are going to change this country. We are a force for change. And now is the time. Those who want to keep the wealthy in power had better heed our voices. Clinton included.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:32:45am

Good night, all. ‘Tis 1:30 am here.

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Kragar  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:33:58am
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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:36:12am

re: #170 Dave In Austin

Bernie has a real problem there. If he says he will support local Democratic candidates, then he’s sort of betraying his own revolution.

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Jenner7  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:37:44am

Gotta clean my house…bbl.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:40:06am

re: #175 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Bernie has a real problem there. If he says he will support local Democratic candidates, then he’s sort of betraying his own revolution.

Unless the Senate is regained, it’s all for naught…. Well, mostly.

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MsJ  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:43:26am

re: #174 Kragar

RE: Christian homeschoolers cry discrimination after trade schools ask for proof they learned something

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Jay C  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:44:20am

re: #170 Dave In Austin

Have you talked to her about what’s at stake with down ballot Democrats yet? To me that is the most important issue at hand. I support HRC because “all the reasons”, but don’t particularly like her….. I’ll vote for Bernie if he’s the candidate because “No Republicans ever again”. That said, Bernie has a “Will see” attitude about the down ballot that I have a real problem with at this time.

An even bigger problem (as least as far as I can see) with a lot of Sanders supporters is that they are berning for Bernie precisely because he’s not part of the Democratic Party: usually in the form of Internet posts and comments excoriating “corporatist Democrats”, and praising Sen. Sanders as being “above” all that.
Pure BS, in my view, but it’s out there in a non-trivial number of Dem voters.
I can easily see why progressives might hold a dim view of our present two-party system (indeed, there’s a LOT to be dim-viewing about), but expecting to nominate and elect a President of the United States while treating the national Party system with that level of disdain is, IMO, unicorn-fart delusionism of an intense degree.
Purist extremists might not like it, but the choices (especially in this years’ election) don’t leave a lot of room for “conscience”. For progressives/liberals, especially: they/we have a choice between (D) candidates who might be subject to pressure from the left on policy and legislation - or (R) candidates who view progressives as an actual “enemy” - if not actually inspired by Satan.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:46:19am

re: #167 Romantic Heretic

Very well said - I am going to try and remember that.

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CleverToad  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:46:42am

re: #159 lawhawk

In a related note, the sovereign citizen/welfare queen nuts are busy plotting the next step after Malheur NWR standoff ended. They wanted something for nothing, and still want something for nothing.

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They’re going to take back the land from those overreaching Feds and sell the mineral/water/timber rights to the Kochs for pennies on the dollar. And expect lower grazing fees. For freedom and all that.

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:50:30am

All I see when I hear “We’re going to create a new party” is “I’m pissed that a majority of the people aren’t voting the way I want.”

I’m sure coming in third place, and causing the Democrat to come in second will make them really popular.

I wonder if that’s what Bernie’s counting on, that the national party will treat him the way the Vermont state Democratic party has.

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Kragar  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:51:10am

re: #182 Belafon

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Testy Toad T  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:51:52am

re: #174 Kragar

Estrada recommended that homeschooled students should present “a parent-issued high school diploma

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Your resume has been remanded to the circular file.

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:52:48am

re: #180 Jebediah, RBG

Merci.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:54:04am
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Testy Toad T  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:56:18am

Go ahead, throw your vote (and our country) away.

There aren’t any actual stakes or anything.

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b.d.  Apr 4, 2016 • 10:58:54am

re: #186 Charles Johnson

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Aren’t Shaun King’s 15 minutes about up?

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MsJ  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:00:32am

re: #183 Kragar

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Nojay UK  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:01:35am

re: #178 MsJ

Actually reading what happened, a couple of home-schooled people with higher qualifications (college degree and the like, beyond a high school-level education) but without GEDs were refused enrollment in vocational school classes because the school absolutely required a high-school diploma or GED because of auditing by State and Federal funding bodies to ensure they weren’t packing their rolls with unqualified warm bodies to garner extra government money.

I’m in a similar situation here in the UK — I’ve applied for a Civil Service job which has a core requirement of two school certificate passes in Maths and English, and they want to see the actual paper certificates at interview. I sat (the equivalent predecessors to) those exams over forty years ago (I passed handily, before anyone says anything), the certificates are long lost, the school district that issued them doesn’t exist any more, hell the COUNTY I went to school in doesn’t exist any more. No interview for me, my degree in Comp Sci and Physics notwithstanding.

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Franklin  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:02:48am

re: #188 b.d.

Aren’t Shaun King’s 15 minutes about up?

Speaking of Shaun King and the number 15:

I mean seriously, 15 STATES!!!!!

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Testy Toad T  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:03:02am

What kind of whiny little shit bails on a political party after less than even a single election cycle? Don’t these people understand that changing a party, or changing a country, requires actual work?

There are some legitimate thoughtful Sanders supporters and I don’t mean to impugn their judgement, but fuck the brogressive assholes. I don’t care about their needs or wants or, to be frank, votes. They can sit out this election just like they sat out all of the others. I’ll be over here supporting people who can get elected and then make a difference.

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KerFuFFler  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:03:28am

re: #93 Dr. Matt

In a Sunday Facebook posting, Palin can be seen caressing the dead hog. A rifle in the photograph suggests that the animal had been recently killed.

She’s just fixin’ to put lipstick on it I guess.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:04:01am

re: #184 Testy Toad T

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Your resume has been remanded to the circular file.

Juan did real good at his studies. You should really hire him big time.

Signed
Epstein’s mother

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:04:24am

re: #191 Franklin

Speaking of Shaun King and the number 15:

I mean seriously, 15 STATES!!!!!

The Democrats Abroad have always been critical in determining the Democratic nominee.

/

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b.d.  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:09:52am

re: #191 Franklin

Speaking of Shaun King and the number 15:

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I mean seriously, 15 STATES!!!!!

Shaun has Nevada spelled out in all caps as a win for Bernie even though HRC got more votes in the caucus?

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Franklin  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:10:14am

Stayed up late fuming about the TWD finale.

Woke up at 4am and couldn’t get back to sleep so to cleanse my palette I watched the finale of 11.22.63 which i enjoyed.

Now I am tired as hell.

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b.d.  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:10:19am

re: #195 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

The Democrats Abroad have always been critical in determining the Democratic nominee.

/

You got something against broads voting?

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:11:37am

re: #191 Franklin

Speaking of Shaun King and the number 15:

I mean seriously, 15 STATES!!!!!

Someone should ask him about those states that Democrats won’t win in the general election. Ask him if that logic only applies to Clinton.

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Kragar  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:11:54am

re: #196 b.d.

They’re “unskewing” the numbers

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KGxvi  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:13:49am

re: #186 Charles Johnson

We hear this every cycle and it is actually a both sides do it thing - emoprogs on the left and true conservatives on the right want to break off and form their own parties when their candidate of choice isn’t doing well.

But here’s the problem: building a party from the ground up is actually hard. You have to essentially create 50 state parties, get people to hold leadership positions in the state parties and in some sort of national organization. Then you have to get people to run, on a platform that party embers can agree on (at least to some extent). Then you actually have to get elected.

Now let’s say a progressive party actually pulls this off and let’s say they when a handful of seats in places like San Francisco, Los Angeles, and New York. What then when they go to Congress? They’re going to have to caucus with the Democrats, especially if neither the GOP or the Dems have a majority on their own. Same goes for the true conservatives who might pick up a handful of seats in those square states in the middle.

And that doesn’t even figure into what happens if the third party candidate earns enough votes to give a swing seat to the other side - creating a situation where a Republican wins with 43% of the vote because the Dem and the emoprog split the other 57%.

Maybe we would actually be better off with more than two default choices - and I say this as someone who has voted third party on more than on occasion - but most people advocating for it have no idea how complicated and difficult it really is. It’s like they never heard of the Reform Party

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:14:38am

re: #191 Franklin

Speaking of Shaun King and the number 15:

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I mean seriously, 15 STATES!!!!!

About half of those are red states…

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Lidane  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:17:22am

Because a fight over a Trump nomination isn’t enough:

Facebook Post

Some of the party’s biggest financiers, attempting to transform the GOP’s approach, have been helping to bankroll the American Unity Fund, a group that has launched a well-organized, behind-the-scenes effort to lobby convention delegates who will draw up the platform. It is asking them to adopt language that would accommodate same sex marriage.

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gocart mozart  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:20:24am
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wrenchwench  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:21:28am

re: #186 Charles Johnson

[@ShaunKing: Black voters and progressives need to consider leaving the @TheDemocrats party]

I was actually in a third party that blew up in 1984 at their convention in San Francisco when half of it voted to support Jesse Jackson’s bid for nomination by the Democrats and the other half didn’t want to be that close to Democrats. (The Citizens Party, which is all wrong in Wikipedia.)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:25:22am

re: #190 Nojay UK

Actually reading what happened, a couple of home-schooled people with higher qualifications (college degree and the like, beyond a high school-level education) but without GEDs were refused enrollment in vocational school classes because the school absolutely required a high-school diploma or GED because of auditing by State and Federal funding bodies to ensure they weren’t packing their rolls with unqualified warm bodies to garner extra government money.

I’m in a similar situation here in the UK — I’ve applied for a Civil Service job which has a core requirement of two school certificate passes in Maths and English, and they want to see the actual paper certificates at interview. I sat (the equivalent predecessors to) those exams over forty years ago (I passed handily, before anyone says anything), the certificates are long lost, the school district that issued them doesn’t exist any more, hell the COUNTY I went to school in doesn’t exist any more. No interview for me, my degree in Comp Sci and Physics notwithstanding.

Frankly, here’s no reason why anyone, whether an employer or school, should trust that someone without a GED or diploma from an accredited school has been educated. We homeschooled The Older Boy, what with the Aspergers and the Social Anxiety*. He took the GED, and absolutely fucking NAILED IT. Not everyone is that bright, of course. But if I were the director of a school, why would I trust when parents come to me and say, “He’s educated, you can trust us!”?

*The head of Special Ed for the Middle School district said while she firmly believed every student would do better in a classroom, she couldn’t imagine what the right one for him would look like.

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Great White Snark  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:25:48am
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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:27:03am

re: #196 b.d.

Alaska, where Sanders won with a grand total of 440 votes. Really. Seriously.

The number of states won is irrelevant in delegate math. *broken record time*

The only thing that matters is the delegate count.

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Kragar  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:28:56am

re: #207 Great White Snark

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:31:33am

re: #208 lawhawk

Alaska, where Sanders won with a grand total of 440 votes. Really. Seriously.

The number of states won is irrelevant in delegate math. *broken record time*

The only thing that matters is the delegate count.

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I think it’s still fair to say Bernie can win it. It’s also fair to say that it’s unlikely, and it’s also fair to say that leaving the Democratic Party in a fit of pique is the quick road to total GOP control of all 3 branches of government.

And not just the GOP, but the purified, distilled racist, xenophobic, homophobic, transphobic core of the GOP.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:31:42am

nice explanation

Edward Blum is the godfather of white rights litigation in the Supreme Court. He spearheaded the litigation in Shelby County v. Holder, which convinced five conservative justices to strike down much of the Voting Rights Act. And he played a similar role in a major challenge to affirmative action currently pending before the Supreme Court. As I have previously noted, “Blum has probably done more than anyone who does not sit on the Supreme Court to dismantle America’s civil rights laws.”

One of Blum’s most ambitious efforts to make the halls of American power whiter has failed, however. Indeed, it failed disastrously. All eight justices rejected the plaintiffs arguments in Evenwel v. Abbott, a case backed by Blum, with six justices joining a majority opinion by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

more at thinkprogress.org

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:32:24am

re: #208 lawhawk

Alaska, where Sanders won with a grand total of 440 votes. Really. Seriously.

A Yuuuuge win

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Nojay UK  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:33:55am

re: #206 Blind Frog Belly White

Frankly, here’s no reason why anyone, whether an employer or school, should trust that someone without a GED or diploma from an accredited school has been educated.

Actually it seems to be the State and Federal governments that require the GED more than the schools and they fund some or all of a lot of these schools. Normally someone applying to a vocational school would be coming directly from high school or the like, not having a college degree (I presume from an accredited institution) but with a GED or HS diploma.

It’s an edge case, solved by the home-schooled applicant sitting and passing a GED exam which they should be able to with a little remedial study to refresh their knowledge. That doesn’t meet the home-schooling association’s political ambitions though.

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Kragar  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:34:38am

Irony alert

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:35:10am

re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth

The 8-0 is still surprising. Isn’t Justice Thomas pretty much required to dissent as a matter of course from any SCOTUS decision?

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Kragar  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:35:31am
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Dr. Matt  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:38:30am

re: #215 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

The 8-0 is still surprising. Isn’t Justice Thomas pretty much required to dissent as a matter of course from any SCOTUS decision?

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Technically it’s 8-1, because according to conservatives, Scalia dissented from the grave.

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CleverToad  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:39:13am

Husband just called to say he’s on a jury. Retired white middle-class male with previous jury experience, I suppose he looked pretty eligible despite the prospector’s beard he’s currently sporting, and a gimme-cap that says ‘Solar Freakin’ Roadways.’ So he gets two or three days to perform his civic duty, depending on how said trial proceeds.

Like voting and paying taxes, jury service is one of the things you do when you’re a citizen. Which isn’t to say you enjoy any of said activities, but you reap the benefits of a reasonably civil society.

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MsJ  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:39:24am

re: #199 Belafon

Asked…

Someone should ask him about those states that Democrats won’t win in the general election. Ask him if that logic only applies to Clinton.

Answered…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:40:22am

re: #213 Nojay UK

Actually it seems to be the State and Federal governments that require the GED more than the schools and they fund some or all of a lot of these schools. Normally someone applying to a vocational school would be coming directly from high school or the like, not having a college degree (I presume from an accredited institution) but with a GED or HS diploma.

It’s an edge case, solved by the home-schooled applicant sitting and passing a GED exam which they should be able to with a little remedial study to refresh their knowledge. That doesn’t meet the home-schooling association’s political ambitions though.

Fuck ‘em.

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MsJ  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:42:15am

re: #203 Lidane

Because a fight over a Trump nomination isn’t enough:

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Maybe if they remove the constant attacks on abortion (not gonna happen) and stop hating on minorities (not gonna happen) and stop talking about war and immigration in ways that turn off the entire world (not gonna happen) they might be on to something.

Who am I fooling? Not gonna happen.

They (Limbaugh, Fox, other right wing outlets) spent 20 years brainwashing Republicans. Now, the elected officials, as well as much of their electorate, are True Believers. They are screwed beyond redemption.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:44:16am

re: #215 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

The 8-0 is still surprising. Isn’t Justice Thomas pretty much required to dissent as a matter of course from any SCOTUS decision?

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Strangely enough, Thomas wrote his own concurring opinion.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:45:33am

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

Strangely enough, Thomas wrote his own concurring opinion.

The easiest way to understand Clarence Thomas’s life on the highest bench is to imagine Antonin Scalia as a Futurama brain slug.

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Lidane  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:45:56am

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

Strangely enough, Thomas wrote his own concurring opinion.

Decades without saying a word on the bench and as soon as Scalia dies Thomas turns into a regular Chatty Cathy. WTF.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:46:41am

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

Strangely enough, Thomas wrote his own concurring opinion.

I wonder if Dim Jim, Drudge, Breitbart et al are howling in rage.

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:47:29am

re: #224 Lidane

Decades without saying a word on the bench and as soon as Scalia dies Thomas turns into a regular Chatty Cathy. WTF.

Scalia probably asked the questions Thomas was thinking of, or maybe Thomas just felt that the answers to Scalia’s questions were enough for him.

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KGxvi  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:47:31am

re: #215 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

The 8-0 is still surprising. Isn’t Justice Thomas pretty much required to dissent as a matter of course from any SCOTUS decision?

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Thomas and Alito wrote concurring opinions. But it shouldn’t be surprising, the result should have been obvious from the beginning.

Even if a state tries to reapportion based on actual voters rather than total population, it’ll probably be struck down. If only because of the very obvious issue that over a ten year period (census to census), people who weren’t eligible to vote at the beginning end up being eligible at the end (either by turning 18 or becoming naturalized). Besides I’m not sure many states would actually invite the inevitable litigation

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MsJ  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:48:45am

re: #224 Lidane

Decades without saying a word on the bench and as soon as Scalia dies Thomas turns into a regular Chatty Cathy. WTF.

Scalia was holding Thomas down! Now he is free! Free to be he!!

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:49:59am

re: #227 KGxvi

Well nothing really surprises me these days….

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:50:30am

re: #227 KGxvi

If only because of the very obvious issue that over a ten year period (census to census), people who weren’t eligible to vote at the beginning end up being eligible at the end (either by turning 18 or becoming naturalized).

Heh. And I joked about this before, but if they’re not counting all citizens, and only voters, then they’re denying counting the unborn. So much for giving them the rights of everyone else.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:50:39am

re: #225 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I wonder if Dim Jim, Drudge, Breitbart et al are howling in rage.

Roberts, Alito, Thomas stabbed us in the back!!!! Revolt!!!11

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:52:10am

re: #229 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Well nothing really surprises me these days….

Then your birthday present will be a surprise!
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:53:20am

re: #221 MsJ

They (Limbaugh, Fox, other right wing outlets) spent 20 years brainwashing Republicans. Now, the elected officials, as well as much of their electorate, are True Believers. They are screwed beyond redemption.

They have come to demand candidates whose conservative leanings are so extreme that they have no chance in a general election.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:54:25am

re: #225 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I wonder if Dim Jim, Drudge, Breitbart et al are howling in rage.

Well, it’s a day ending in ‘day’, so….

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Tigger2  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:55:51am

re: #126 Lidane

Freepers are predictably losing their shit over that SCOTUS ruling:

It’s a good day. :)

I love seeing Freepers foaming at the mouth.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:59:01am

re: #233 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

They have come to demand candidates whose conservative leanings are so extreme that they have no chance in a general election.

It’s all about the Missing White Voters, because BushSr. Dole McCain Romney wasn’t Conservative enough.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2016 • 11:59:34am
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:00:05pm

re: #235 Tigger2

I love seeing Freepers foaming at the mouth.

Some Freepers going against the grain to say the Texas challenge was crapola.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:00:41pm

re: #238 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Some Freepers going against the grain to say the Texas challenge was crapola.

But for the rest it means the nation is going to hell and is run by illegal alien homosexual activists who want free birth control.

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KGxvi  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:01:23pm

re: #224 Lidane

Decades without saying a word on the bench and as soon as Scalia dies Thomas turns into a regular Chatty Cathy. WTF.

Thomas actually writes quite a few opinions every session, be they majority, concurring, or dissenting. In fact, he often writes a concurring opinion in order to express how his particular jurisprudence led him to a result

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Kragar  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:02:13pm
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wrenchwench  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:05:37pm
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Dr. Matt  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:08:02pm

re: #126 Lidane

Freepers are predictably losing their shit over that SCOTUS ruling:
It’s a good day. :)

Trump should jump on this.

A constitutional amendment stating that only citizens of the United States should count for apportionment purposes.
4/4/2016, 1:01:18 PM by Brookhaven

Trump supporters have the same level of understanding the Constitution as Trump.

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Great White Snark  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:11:28pm

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

Can’t help but wonder how much the government of Flint will be made to pay. Guessing closer to twenty dollars that 20 billion in terms of any settlement.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:15:50pm

So I’m seeing this shit on my FB feed… warning, it’s an ISLAM EXPOSED video on their FB page.

What I want to know is what this video really is about. Does anyone have the backstory?

Facebook Post

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calochortus  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:16:02pm

re: #238 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Some Freepers going against the grain to say the Texas challenge was crapola.

Apparently that broke FR. The site is down…

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Tigger2  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:18:29pm

re: #246 calochortus

Apparently that broke FR. The site is down…

I was hoping they raised up a white flag and shut down, but it’s back up.

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KingKenrod  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:21:20pm

I’d wager a significant % of freepers think voting should be restricted to white male landowners.

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Lidane  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:21:26pm

re: #238 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Some Freepers going against the grain to say the Texas challenge was crapola.

Meanwhile I’m being bombarded with idiocy like UR AN ILLEGAL IF U THINK THIS WUZ FAIR! ELEVENTY! and DEMS PACKING DISTRICTS WITH FELONS AND ILLEGALS in the usual objections to this case.

The nutters are entirely predictable.

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:23:14pm

re: #12 Stanley Sea

“Living under the name of Sanders.”

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Stanley Sea  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:30:09pm

re: #250 jaunte

“Living under the name of Sanders.”

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I looked that up! very cool.

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calochortus  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:30:36pm

re: #248 KingKenrod

I’d wager a significant % of freepers think voting should be restricted to white male landowners.

I have a nephew that thinks only landowners should have the vote because they are the only ones with “skin in the game.” He also likes the idea because Jefferson thought you needed to be a landowner to vote. Of course Jefferson thought you should have to own at least 50 acres, and said nothing about skin in the game, just that these would be the people with the time, education and interest to study issues, but that seemed not to make a dent in said nephew’s belief system.

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Lidane  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:34:23pm
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wrenchwench  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:35:34pm

re: #252 calochortus

I have a nephew that thinks only landowners should have the vote because they are the only ones with “skin in the game.” He also likes the idea because Jefferson thought you needed to be a landowner to vote. Of course Jefferson thought you should have to own at least 50 acres, and said nothing about skin in the game, just that these would be the people with the time, education and interest to study issues, but that seemed not to make a dent in said nephew’s belief system.

If you got skin, you’re in the game.

If you got land, that’s another game.

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ObserverArt  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:37:06pm

Wow. Just had a chance to read that Shaun King bit in the New York Daily news.

I guess this point…

Political progressives across this country, in supporting the candidacy of Bernie Sanders, are completely rejecting the Democratic Party. To be clear, Bernie Sanders has not been a Democrat his entire career in politics.

…was so important he had to make it twice…only two paragraphs after the first time he said it. He wants to make it clear.

Progressive and independent voters across the country are rejecting the establishment. That much is clear.

And I take it this new party in no time at all will have the rest of the members to take a majority of Senate and House seats to make it as powerful as King and others see it.

Then he says this about the idea as mentioned by the person his article is based on, Michelle Alexander…

It goes deeper than Sanders, though, and this was the point made by Alexander in her interview with Hayes. Although she appeared at an official Sanders event earlier that day, she refused then, and again in the interview, to fully endorse him — saying she supported “a revolution” instead.

While it appears rather clear that Alexander will likely vote for Sanders, she is deftly using her political capital and influence to point all of us to something much bigger than one man in one race.

Now there is an endorsement for Bernie if I have ever seen one. It is clearly likely!!!

Oh wait, this isn’t about Bernie is it? It’s about a totally new party…a party that is totally new!

Sheesh.

But wait. Shaun has to again emphasize twice…about those millions that want this change…

And truthfully, these issues don’t hinge on whether or not Bernie Sanders wins the Democratic nomination. Even if he never wins another state, he has already proven that millions of Americans want to go in a vastly different direction with how we do politics in this country.

More on those millions…again in two paragraphs (he is consistent!)

What’s clear is this — we’re entering into a new era where millions and millions of us aren’t simply interested in moderate tweaks here and there, but serious systemic shifts. Nobody is going to make those happen for us. We will have to make them happen.

And since Shaun writes it as “we” meaning he is all in…then we should expect Shaun to get this going pronto. Time’s a wastin’ Shaun. You have a lot of work to do. Give us the updates on how this is going.

Anyone expect any updates, or for Shaun to even get started…or will it be up to someone else to get ‘er done? I’m betting Shaun wants others to do the heavy work. He just does the dreaming.

And Shaun…repeating the same basic thinking in several paragraphs doesn’t make the idea doubly important. And what is clear about something likely happening? Oh I get it. It is clearly likely this will never happen though it is likely a clear idea. It is also very clear you likely love the word clear to make it really clear.

(He gets paid for this??? Do they have editors?)

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Kragar  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:42:42pm
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Belafon  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:43:43pm

re: #252 calochortus

I have a nephew that thinks only landowners should have the vote because they are the only ones with “skin in the game.” He also likes the idea because Jefferson thought you needed to be a landowner to vote. Of course Jefferson thought you should have to own at least 50 acres, and said nothing about skin in the game, just that these would be the people with the time, education and interest to study issues, but that seemed not to make a dent in said nephew’s belief system.

How old is your nephew?

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calochortus  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:46:18pm

re: #257 Belafon

He’s 40. Old enough to know better.

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Kragar  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:46:43pm
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b.d.  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:49:30pm

re: #259 Kragar

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Why doesn’t Trump just get Mexico to go ahead and pay off our national debt? I mean, they’re already going to pay for the wall…

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Dr. Matt  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:49:53pm

re: #252 calochortus

I have a nephew that thinks only landowners should have the vote because they are the only ones with “skin in the game.” He also likes the idea because Jefferson thought you needed to be a landowner to vote. Of course Jefferson thought you should have to own at least 50 acres, and said nothing about skin in the game, just that these would be the people with the time, education and interest to study issues, but that seemed not to make a dent in said nephew’s belief system.

“Landowners” as in land that is paid in full or someone that has a mortgage?. Because, if you have a mortgage, you don’t own the land….the bank does. Details, details, details.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:50:47pm

re: #260 b.d.

Why doesn’t Trump just get Mexico to go ahead and pay off our national debt? I mean, they’re already going to pay for the wall…

Sadly, his supporters would believe he could do that if he said it.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:50:54pm

re: #256 Kragar

What kind of fucking idiot thinks a football player getting into the HoF is a Presidential Campaign issue? t.co
— Kragar

Sarah Palin?

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calochortus  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:55:08pm

re: #261 Dr. Matt

“Landowners” as in land that is paid in full or someone that has a mortgage?. Because, if you have a mortgage, you don’t own the land….the bank does. Details, details, details.

I asked him about that, and yeah, he means actual ownership-which means he probably couldn’t vote. Since there is exactly no chance of this being enacted into law, he wasn’t upset that he would lose his right to vote.

Funny thing is that he is in some areas, very clear-eyed and realistic and other times goes off into a romantic libertarian fog of simpler times and better people. Or something

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Dr. Matt  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:55:44pm

There’s a dirty joke just waiting to be told…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:56:49pm
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Testy Toad T  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:58:00pm

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s amazing how much of Trump’s behavior is completely 100% consistent with a guy who is petrified he might actually win, and is doing everything in his power to tank his own campaign.

And the rubes just won’t let him.

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Lidane  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:58:23pm

re: #259 Kragar

Anyone who thinks that Trump can eliminate the national debt in 8 years should just go get all of their money, toss it in a pile, and set it on fire.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:58:51pm

re: #252 calochortus

I have a nephew that thinks only landowners should have the vote because they are the only ones with “skin in the game.” He also likes the idea because Jefferson thought you needed to be a landowner to vote. Of course Jefferson thought you should have to own at least 50 acres, and said nothing about skin in the game, just that these would be the people with the time, education and interest to study issues, but that seemed not to make a dent in said nephew’s belief system.

Skin in WHAT game, exactly? It’s like the idea that everyone needs to pay Federal Income Tax, so they have ‘skin in the game’.

Invoking Jefferson and ‘skin in the game’ is funny, considering his views on skin and father children on women he owned because of the color of their skin.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 4, 2016 • 12:59:12pm

re: #264 calochortus

Funny thing is that he is in some areas, very clear-eyed and realistic and other times goes off into a romantic libertarian fog of simpler times and better people. Or something

Simpler times and better people….when the average life expectancy was in the mid 40s, women commonly died from child labor, a broken bone was a death sentence, your drinking water contained your feces and urine as well as your neighbors’, and the phrase “civil rights” didn’t exist. Make America Great Again!

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:01:35pm

re: #258 calochortus

He’s 40. Old enough to know better.

“Sales tax shall be set at 4% for landowners, and 40% for non-landowners.”

Lot’s of people have skin in the game. And just because they’re landowners doesn’t make them empathetic.

I’m curious what he thinks of the military people who don’t own land? Do they not have skin in the game?

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calochortus  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:04:10pm

re: #269 Blind Frog Belly White

Skin in WHAT game, exactly? It’s like the idea that everyone needs to pay Federal Income Tax, so they have ‘skin in the game’.

Invoking Jefferson and ‘skin in the game’ is funny, considering his views on skin and father children on women he owned because of the color of their skin.

Well that’s where the conversation kind of broke down. I couldn’t get him to explain why people who rented a home weren’t affected by the laws passed by elected representatives. I asked if renters with kids in school didn’t quite literally have skin in the game when it came to school board elections, and we wandered off into school-related issues in the conversation.

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Jack Burton  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:05:00pm

re: #269 Blind Frog Belly White

Skin in WHAT game, exactly? It’s like the idea that everyone needs to pay Federal Income Tax, so they have ‘skin in the game’.

Invoking Jefferson and ‘skin in the game’ is funny, considering his views on skin and father children on women he owned because of the color of their skin.

This idea has never had, and never will have any merit because there are far too many things the government does (even in a glibertarian dreamworld interpretation of our constitution), which are affected by who we put in office, that have nothing at all to do with economic matters.

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calochortus  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:07:30pm

re: #271 Belafon

“Sales tax shall be set at 4% for landowners, and 40% for non-landowners.”

Lot’s of people have skin in the game. And just because they’re landowners doesn’t make them empathetic.

I’m curious what he thinks of the military people who don’t own land? Do they not have skin in the game?

I don’t know. He tends to use a rather broad brush to sweep over the details of all these things. I’d think he’d favor soldiers voting, but if soldiers, what about veterans? What about police and firefighters? I’d have to ask.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:08:40pm

re: #274 calochortus

I don’t know. He tends to use a rather broad brush to sweep over the details of all these things. I’d think he’d favor soldiers voting, but if soldiers, what about veterans? What about police and firefighters? I’d have to ask.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:08:49pm

re: #271 Belafon

“Sales tax shall be set at 4% for landowners, and 40% for non-landowners.”

Lot’s of people have skin in the game. And just because they’re landowners doesn’t make them empathetic.

I’m curious what he thinks of the military people who don’t own land? Do they not have skin in the game?

Military people are “hired help” to that particular brand of hinterland elitist. Contempt for the military is an old story among upper crusty conservatives, as is the elaborate charade they use to conceal that contempt. When you actually know these people, as I do, they will let it slip though. It’s where the phenomenon of the “chickenhawk” comes from. It’s par for the course, the one at the yokel country club in fact.

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Jack Burton  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:09:52pm

re: #274 calochortus

I don’t know. He tends to use a rather broad brush to sweep over the details of all these things. I’d think he’d favor soldiers voting, but if soldiers, what about veterans? What about police and firefighters? I’d have to ask.

Most people are not “deep thinkers” and over-simplify everything, which leads to them believing in most of the asinine things they do.

It’s probably the core reason Trump has any support just slightly behind the racist dog-whistle bullshit.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:10:48pm

re: #264 calochortus

I asked him about that, and yeah, he means actual ownership-which means he probably couldn’t vote. Since there is exactly no chance of this being enacted into law, he wasn’t upset that he would lose his right to vote.

Funny thing is that he is in some areas, very clear-eyed and realistic and other times goes off into a romantic libertarian fog of simpler times and better people. Or something

And if only landowners could vote, the laws they passed could have a considerable influence on non-landowners to become landowners themselves. IOW, if only landowners could vote, those landowners could ensure that no one else became landowners. They could set up any manner of laws and conditions on landownership and its connection to the vote, with nonlandowners not being able to influence that.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:13:00pm

re: #276 Shiplord Kirel

Military people are “hired help” to that particular brand of hinterland elitist. Contempt for the military is an old story among upper crusty conservatives, as is the elaborate charade they use to conceal that contempt.

Realistically, there’s no way neocons could jack off to war porn as much as they do if they gave a damn about the people who are actually serving.

Not even a Cheneyan mind is capable of those levels of cognitive dissonance.

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calochortus  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:13:00pm

Well, lunch is over and having vacuumed my own living room this morning (along with the rest of the house, and cleaning the bathrooms and whatnot) this afternoon will start with some exciting yard work. Do I need an immigrant to do this so I can spend the whole day here on LGF?
Probably. But not having one, I’ll get back to work.

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Kragar  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:13:09pm

re: #278 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

It worked out great for the French until around 1789

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:13:24pm

re: #272 calochortus

Well that’s where the conversation kind of broke down. I couldn’t get him to explain why people who rented a home weren’t affected by the laws passed by elected representatives. I asked if renters with kids in school didn’t quite literally have skin in the game when it came to school board elections, and we wandered off into school-related issues in the conversation.

I presume he owns land, or a home? Because generally the only people who think like that are people who do. But it’s patently ridiculous, and the reason the Founders liked that idea was that they were trying to set up a utopia for people like themselves - white male landowners.

The people who want this generally want to limit the franchise to those who, they believe, think like they do, and then they rationalize their way around the obvious inequity.

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calochortus  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:16:55pm

re: #282 Blind Frog Belly White

I presume he owns land, or a home? Because generally the only people who think like that are people who do. But it’s patently ridiculous, and the reason the Founders liked that idea was that they were trying to set up a utopia for people like themselves - white male landowners.

The people who want this generally want to limit the franchise to those who, they believe, think like they do, and then they rationalize their way around the obvious inequity.

Yes, but I’m pretty sure the mortgage isn’t paid off yet, so no, not really-and he admits that. As I said, he can comfortably say he’d give up his franchise because there is no chance he will have to.

And now, I really do need to go get stuff done.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:18:41pm

re: #253 Lidane

‘Sheer Idiocy’: Ben Stein Goes Ballistic on Trump for ‘Horrifying’ Economic Ignorance

If DT is elected, I can imagine a serious recession as investors pull out their equity and the better trained workers leave for Canada or Europe…

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Sophist, Premature Anti-Trumpist  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:18:58pm

re: #274 calochortus

I saw in the other thread you’re going to be traveling in eastern Washington. If it fits into your schedule, I’d suggest a quick stop at Palouse Falls.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:19:01pm

re: #283 calochortus

Yes, but I’m pretty sure the mortgage isn’t paid off yet, so no, not really-and he admits that. As I said, he can comfortably say he’d give up his franchise because there is no chance he will have to.

And now, I really do need to go get stuff done.

Ask him what fraction of the principal he’s paid off, and tell him he can have that fraction of a vote - split equally between him and his wife. Community property.

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Jack Burton  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:19:15pm

re: #283 calochortus

Yes, but I’m pretty sure the mortgage isn’t paid off yet, so no, not really-and he admits that. As I said, he can comfortably say he’d give up his franchise because there is no chance he will have to.

And now, I really do need to go get stuff done.

Or, in his mind, by the time something like that ever became a law, that mortgage would be paid off.

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:19:33pm

re: #283 calochortus

Yes, but I’m pretty sure the mortgage isn’t paid off yet, so no, not really-and he admits that. As I said, he can comfortably say he’d give up his franchise because there is no chance he will have to.

And now, I really do need to go get stuff done.

I suspect he just thinks that the landowners wouldn’t pass anything that would affect him.

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Great White Snark  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:22:35pm

From today’s Bad Idea Department. A drone big enough to fly a running chansaw through the skies.

Video

Right up there with the guy that builds thermite grenade launchers for YouTube views.

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ObserverArt  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:26:33pm

One thing is clear in this year’s round of elections for national office. There sure is a lot of dreaming going on. And it is happening in the fringes of both sides. Shaun King dreaming of new parties. Bernie dreaming of a big revolution. Trump backers dreaming Trump is going to Make America Great Again.

Sure is going to make it tough for all those folks when some reality smacks them upside the head. And it will. It always does.

Then like always when reality hits, it will be the tried and true methods and institutions and the people that understand reality that will have to pat the heads and wipe the tears of all the dreamers.

I do worry about the dreamers though. They may cause some ruckus when they don’t get their new pony. It takes maturity to accept you won’t get your way. I don’t know how mature some of the dreamers really are and whether they can accept it or will lash out and want to destroy all things.

There really are some strong similarities to now and 1968.

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Kragar  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:27:17pm

Some pictures just scream out to be captioned.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:28:25pm

re: #291 Kragar

Some pictures just scream out to be captioned.

How could I tell she was only fifteen when she had gazongas like this right up in my face?

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Kilroy01  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:28:34pm

re: #291 Kragar

And you think he doesn’t do anything useful now… No one will ever see him again.

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gwangung  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:29:04pm
It takes maturity to accept you won’t get your way.

And even more maturity to step back and figure out a way to get your way the next time.

I’ve pointed this out before, but the black community has DECADES of experience of this, with not nearly as much results as anyone would be comfortable with. They might have something to teach, hm?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:31:52pm

re: #281 Kragar

It worked out great for the French until around 1789

Absolutely. People get so mad when they don’t have land. Or bread.

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b.d.  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:33:29pm

re: #291 Kragar

Some pictures just scream out to be captioned.

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I figured Ryan was showing delegates how big his hands are, that is important if they are going to steal the nomination from Trump and give it to him.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:35:09pm

re: #291 Kragar

Some pictures just scream out to be captioned.

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What a boob.

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Kragar  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:36:25pm

re: #296 b.d.

I figured Ryan was showing delegates how big his hands are, that is important if they are going to steal the nomination from Trump and give it to him.

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:36:50pm

re: #291 Kragar

Jazz hands! Warm your jazz hands up. It’s gonna be big. Huge.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:39:01pm

re: #292 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

How could I tell she was only fifteen when she had gazongas like this right up in my face?

“Well, you know, Doc, she was 15 goin’ on 35 if you know what I mean…”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:40:11pm

re: #291 Kragar

Some pictures just scream out to be captioned.

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“I will use these long, strong fingers to wrest the nomination from his tiny hands!”

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BeachDem  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:41:31pm

re: #264 calochortus

I asked him about that, and yeah, he means actual ownership-which means he probably couldn’t vote. Since there is exactly no chance of this being enacted into law, he wasn’t upset that he would lose his right to vote.

Funny thing is that he is in some areas, very clear-eyed and realistic and other times goes off into a romantic libertarian fog of simpler times and better people. Or something

So I guess condo owners wouldn’t qualify either, because they don’t own the land, even if the condo is paid for. Voter group getting smaller and smaller.
/

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Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:42:10pm

re: #291 Kragar

Some pictures just scream out to be captioned.

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“She had vast…tracts of lands.”

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:42:48pm

re: #252 calochortus

I have a nephew that thinks only landowners should have the vote because they are the only ones with “skin in the game.” He also likes the idea because Jefferson thought you needed to be a landowner to vote. Of course Jefferson thought you should have to own at least 50 acres, and said nothing about skin in the game, just that these would be the people with the time, education and interest to study issues, but that seemed not to make a dent in said nephew’s belief system.

What an absurd, reactionary idea. If “skin in the game,” ie economic status, is the metric, it has been centuries since land ownership was the primary measure of that status. There are actual billionaires who own less land than I do (320 acres). If it’s land that matters, though, don’t I have more skin in the game than some poor schlub who owns only the plot under his tract-house, if that much? Shouldn’t I have more votes? More ominously, most of the privately held land in this country is actually owned by corporations. Should they get massive blocks of votes to be allocated by their directors? They are people, after all, at least according to conservatives.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:42:54pm

re: #303 Targetpractice

“She had vast…tracts of lands.”

So, according the Calochortus’s nephew, she could vote.
//

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:45:57pm

The Koch brothers own a hell of a lot of land.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:50:37pm

re: #304 Shiplord Kirel

More ominously, most of the privately held land in this country is actually owned by corporations. Should they get massive blocks of votes to be allocated by their directors? They are people, after all, at least according to conservatives.

Churches also own large tracts of land. And God is three persons, Father. Son and Holy Ghost. Do they get triple votes?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:52:33pm

re: #306 Shiplord Kirel

The Koch brothers own a hell of a lot of land.

Indeed. The question then becomes whether there’s proportional representation, i.e. more votes based on how much land you own. Or if there’s a threshold, so you have to own a minimum acreage. Or if fractional ownership counts, or you have to own it free and clear.

I’m sure there are already those who think it should be proportional, just as there are those who think votes should be based on wealth, like shareholder votes.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:52:49pm

Remarkable how fast the brain adapts to the background. Five buttons plus a ding-number already looks totally normal to me.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:54:20pm

re: #309 Testy Toad T

Remarkable how fast the brain adapts to the background. Five buttons plus a ding-number already looks totally normal to me.

What are you talking about? We’ve ALWAYS had 5 buttons and a ding-number.

Also, we’ve always been at war with Eastasia Eurasia.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 4, 2016 • 1:55:39pm

re: #310 Blind Frog Belly White

What are you talking about? We’ve ALWAYS had 5 buttons and a ding-number.

Also, we’ve always been at war with Eastasia Eurasia.

And DT has always been in favor of punishing the woman doctor.

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mmmirele  Apr 4, 2016 • 2:04:28pm

re: #164 makeitstop

In the Wild Things I’ve Learned Today department - a friend of me and my wife was the lead developer on the software that ICIJ used to analyze the Panama Papers documents.

I guess I really do have pretty smart friends.

What was the software, if you can say?

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 4, 2016 • 2:09:04pm

re: #304 Shiplord Kirel

And what becomes of the old rallying cry, “No taxation without representation”? Will non-voters be excused from taxation, since they are no longer represented?

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makeitstop  Apr 4, 2016 • 2:18:27pm

re: #312 mmmirele

What was the software, if you can say?

Not sure what the software is called, but he works for a company called dtSearch.

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gocart mozart  Apr 4, 2016 • 2:26:15pm

re: #255 ObserverArt

Wow. Just had a chance to read that Shaun King bit in the New York Daily news.

Foe what it’s worth: I went to a symposium at the American Museum of Tort Law on Saturday featuring Jan Schlichtmann (A Civil Action), Mitchell Garabedian (Spotlight) and Ralph Nader. Someone asked Ralph if he would be Bernie’s running mate if asked and he said with some exasperation “Bernie won’t even return my calls, he won’t return my calls.”


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