The Next Anti-Hillary Attack Is Queued Up: She Used a “Noise Machine” Against the Media

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The next fake story about Hillary Clinton is now queued up.

Tonight I’m seeing a lot of tweets linking to a Washington Examiner post with the absurd headline: Clinton team blasts reporters with noise machine during Hillary fundraising speech.

OK, so let’s go to the tweets this hysterical story is based upon. Note that these tweets do not say “Clinton staffers” did this, although the Washington Examiner hack piece states this as a fact.

The video clip with the “noise machine turned on:”

The video clip with the “noise machine turned off:”

Can you hear the difference?

And do you think the Clinton campaign would actually use a “noise machine” to try to prevent reporters from hearing what she was saying? In public? Reporters, who…. you know… report things?

(Public address systems sometimes have static, by the way, especially when operated by non-experts switching over to a different set of microphones after a band plays.)

Wouldn’t a “noise machine” also prevent the audience from hearing her, or was this a super-special noise machine that only targeted reporters?

Please tell me this isn’t going to be a real story in the rest of the media. Somebody, please.

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331 comments
1
wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 7, 2016 • 7:59:32pm

Sorry, can’t hear you. The noise machine was on.

2
Belafon  Apr 7, 2016 • 8:01:33pm

I’ll tell you anything you want to hear, unless you expect the truth.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 7, 2016 • 8:05:10pm

What’s being missed here is that she was signalling to her whale allies.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 7, 2016 • 8:05:23pm

This is getting silly. November cannot come quickly enough.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2016 • 8:06:05pm

There’s a very slight difference in the two video clips; the first one has a slightly higher pitched background noise that might be some kind of static in the PA system. But the difference is tiny.

How the fuck can anyone listen to these two clips and think this is a real story?

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Joe Bacon  Apr 7, 2016 • 8:06:15pm

It’s only April. And we’re going to be stuck on an endless Media Stupid Trek till November…

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Great White Snark  Apr 7, 2016 • 8:12:35pm

Quick fly by… 3 Ospreys in government trim just flew over right overhead. Typical approach pattern into Burbank. I think that just might be POTUS or at least his commuter fleet. Marine One etc. Now it’s Ospreys, loud as all get out.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2016 • 8:15:07pm

LOL! Rage Furby is ON IT.

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jaunte  Apr 7, 2016 • 8:21:33pm

Report: Media stymied by some guy with a leaf blower.

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teleskiguy  Apr 7, 2016 • 8:21:47pm
Please tell me this isn’t going to be a real story in the rest of the media. Somebody, please

There is work ahead.

Hillary hate is pretty deep, even in my circles.

And you know what, Fuck this election, and it’s *almost* over!

Video

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jhncsy  Apr 7, 2016 • 8:21:51pm

Clearly, Clinton has mastered the Weirding Way:

Video

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jaunte  Apr 7, 2016 • 8:22:33pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Star Wars’s: The Apostropheosis

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2016 • 8:26:35pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 7, 2016 • 8:31:39pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

LOL! Rage Furby is ON IT.

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Hard hitting expose. And he’s look a bit toasted in that video.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 7, 2016 • 8:32:29pm

Wow, precision targeted noise machine for silencing journalists.

Has Alex Jones defected to the Bernie-bots?

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Jay C  Apr 7, 2016 • 8:35:01pm

And for the “consider the source” part of the story, check out the wiki for the Washington Examiner

Right-wing rag: suitable mainly for wrapping fish you are not very concerned about eating….

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Sherlock Hound  Apr 7, 2016 • 8:36:54pm

re: #11 jhncsy

Hillary should use her Voice!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 7, 2016 • 8:38:55pm

re: #17 Sherlock Hound

Hillary should use her Voice!

Hillary founded the Bene Gesserit. It’s buried in the Encyclopedia Galactica in a footnote.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2016 • 8:40:47pm

(Ignore the word “of” in that first tweet.)

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Sherlock Hound  Apr 7, 2016 • 8:42:33pm

re: #18 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

One of the dubious thoughts I had, while watching the David Lynch film, was, “Could a Benet Gesserit curse in Voice?”. (“GGgoooo EEEFfff YYYourseeeeelffff….”)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 7, 2016 • 8:43:28pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

LOL! Rage Furby is ON IT.

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I’m seeing this, too.

Intelligence not found, error 404
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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2016 • 8:48:31pm

re: #21 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’m seeing this, too.

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He apparently screwed up a link to his own site somehow.

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Scout  Apr 7, 2016 • 8:48:43pm

This is one of the publications they get at my company. I got a kick out of the caricatures.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 7, 2016 • 8:50:04pm

re: #18 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Hillary founded the Bene Gesserit. It’s buried in the Encyclopedia Galactica in a footnote.

B-B-B-B-B-Bene and the Gesserit…

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jaunte  Apr 7, 2016 • 8:51:11pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 7, 2016 • 8:53:07pm

re: #25 jaunte

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Don’t them JOOZ have them NOO YORK VALUES??

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jaunte  Apr 7, 2016 • 8:53:40pm

re: #26 Blind Frog Belly White

How do you spell ‘pander’ in Hebrew?

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2016 • 8:53:47pm

re: #14 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Hard hitting expose. And he’s look a bit toasted in that video.

Wow. Did he just get out of the shower before he made that video, or his hair so greasy it just looks that way? This boy is a mess.

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Lancelot Link  Apr 7, 2016 • 8:54:30pm

re: #25 jaunte

I bet when he goes to Catholic churches, he has campaign slogans printed on the communion wafers.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Apr 7, 2016 • 8:59:49pm

re: #3 The Ghost of the Spaghetti Weevil

What’s being missed here is that she was signalling to her whale allies.

Big Ocean is in the Clintons’ pocket??

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Stanley Sea  Apr 7, 2016 • 9:00:18pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Wow. Did he just get out of the shower before he made that video, or his hair so greasy it just looks that way? This boy is a mess.

The pieces of his beard are sticking out.

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Tigger2005  Apr 7, 2016 • 9:00:37pm

On a Yahoo News post of the Rogue One trailer I replied to some bigoted piece of pocket lint who was complaining that Disney was “ruining everything” by pushing female and African American leads. I pointed out that white males have probably been the lead in at least 90% of films since the dawn of cinema, that women make up over 50% of the U.S. population and African-Americans 12% whike the white male population is declining, that studios market to international audiences as well and would be pretty stupid not to diversify their casts and leads. Of course I was wasting my time.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 7, 2016 • 9:01:10pm

Looking over the cast list at imdb, I note that SW: Rogue One has at least two Chinese actors, Donnie Yen and Wen Jiang. Both are well known and well liked on the mainland, so Disney/Lucasfilms is obviously hoping to pull in a huge Chinese audience.

The Chinese Star Wars VII box office has been very good, but not overwhelming. Most Chinese don’t know the earliest films well at all, so Disney needs to get them hooked the way the rest of the world is.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 7, 2016 • 9:03:53pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

He apparently screwed up a link to his own site somehow.

Imagine that

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Kragar  Apr 7, 2016 • 9:04:06pm
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Chez Ko Pe  Apr 7, 2016 • 9:06:05pm

re: #23 Scout

I love that “Trump” and “tramp” are identical in Japanese…

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2016 • 9:07:31pm
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BeachDem  Apr 7, 2016 • 9:07:54pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

LOL! Rage Furby is ON IT.

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re: #13 Charles Johnson

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When you’re a one-man operation, your editor-in-chief is also your proofreader. In Rage Furby’s case, he cannot write, cannot edit and cannot proofread, so there’s the problem right there.

Editor-in-chief. Every time I see the little twerp calling himself that, I just laugh.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 7, 2016 • 9:08:58pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Wow. Did he just get out of the shower before he made that video, or his hair so greasy it just looks that way? This boy is a mess.

The vid is revealing in other ways. Check the equipment he’s got. Professional quality mic plus a camera that’s clearly better than a webcam. There’s still an echo-ey effect from the bare-walled room — needs some carpet or cork tiles to deaden that — but either he’s been spending some $$ on fancy equipment or he’s using his pal Peter Duke’s studio.

I think he decided writing is too much work, and now babbling into a camera is much easier. He needs to work on camera looks, though.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 7, 2016 • 9:18:50pm

re: #32 Tigger2005

On a Yahoo News post of the Rogue One trailer I replied to some bigoted piece of pocket lint who was complaining that Disney was “ruining everything” by pushing female and African American leads. I pointed out that white males have probably been the lead in at least 90% of films since the dawn of cinema, that women make up over 50% of the U.S. population and African-Americans 12% whike the white male population is declining, that studios market to international audiences as well and would be pretty stupid not to diversify their casts and leads. Of course I was wasting my time.

If you look at the trailer’s demographics, the first few minutes have 90% white faces, until we see Forrest Whitaker and Donnie Yen. I am unmoved by racist/sexist complaints that white men are getting short shrift in the movies.

Way back in the dim times of network TV, I, Spy featured two guys, one white, one black. I imagine the racists had a field day with that one, but that was before the Internet made it possible for the rest of us to see what they were saying.

And yeah, Cosby was the co-star.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 7, 2016 • 9:21:53pm

Personally speaking, I approve of Felicity Jones as a Star Wars lead. I’m pretty sure she can pull it off.

That’s two British SW female leads now. Maybe there will be an anti-British crowd complaining online about that, too.

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jaunte  Apr 7, 2016 • 9:24:21pm

re: #35 Kragar

I knew something about Ted Cruz looked familiar from way back.

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retired cynic  Apr 7, 2016 • 9:43:41pm

OT: I love the extended edition Tolkien movies, including all of the ‘how they did it’ bits. And was watching the Boyens and Jackson commentary on Desolation of Smaug just now, and PJ comments on Stephen Fry’s first appearance as the Master of Laketown. Referencing the combover, he remarks how he looks like Donald Trump, and there was a laugh.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 7, 2016 • 9:43:54pm

re: #42 jaunte

I knew something about Ted Cruz looked familiar from way back.

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We could only hope that Cruz becomes a Nowhere Man sitting in a Nowhere Land ASAP.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 7, 2016 • 9:44:17pm

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 7, 2016 • 9:45:20pm

re: #45 GlutenFreeJesus

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 7, 2016 • 9:49:01pm

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 7, 2016 • 9:56:45pm

re: #46 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 7, 2016 • 9:59:01pm

re: #45 GlutenFreeJesus

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William Lewis  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:00:06pm

re: #47 Eclectic Cyborg

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:05:29pm

re: #50 William Lewis

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William Lewis  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:35:25pm

So I wandered away for a bit to watch the Rogue One trailer.

Anyone else get a Dirty Dozen vibe? Right down to how few survive?

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Kragar  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:41:59pm

re: #52 William Lewis

Many Bothans died to get those plans…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:02:53pm

re: #52 William Lewis

So I wandered away for a bit to watch the Rogue One trailer.

Anyone else get a Dirty Dozen vibe? Right down to how few survive?

I’ll need to watch it again. Felicity Jones had me distracted. Overall, the film looks like it will be good.

Then I watched Rage Furby’s commentary on how JJ Abrams is part of a vast social justice conspiracy to marginalize white men by making them villains, and women and minorities heroes, and felt like I had just lost 30 points off my IQ score.

He babbles. He makes no sense. Did you know, for example, that there are no blacks or Hispanics working for NASA, so scenes in The Martian showing blacks and Hispanics and not Asians and whites in those roles are just awful? And he says it’s silly to have a woman as a rebel, because women don’t rebel. That’s what alpha males do.

0_o

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Timothy Watson  Apr 8, 2016 • 1:16:30am

re: #54 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I guess he never bothered to watch the original Star Wars movie? The only main character to be a Rebel at the beginning of the original was Leia. And, come this new movie…

Click to Reveal

She’s the only one still fighting after Han and Luke ran off

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 8, 2016 • 1:22:50am

P.S. I forgot the & code Charles put out to embed tweets without automatically also embedding the tweet being replied to. Anybody have that? Reason I wanted it here was that images in replied to tweets don’t display.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 8, 2016 • 1:31:48am

re: #55 Timothy Watson

I guess he never bothered to watch the original Star Wars movie? The only main character to be a Rebel at the beginning of the original was Leia. And, come the second movie…

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Also, the entire Rebel Alliance was led by a woman, Mon Mothma.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 8, 2016 • 3:29:24am

re: #55 Timothy Watson

I guess he never bothered to watch the original Star Wars movie? The only main character to be a Rebel at the beginning of the original was Leia. And, come this new movie…

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He hasn’t seen the new movie yet, he says.

Really, his premises are false, therefore his conclusions are false. Basic logic fail. It’s the kind of stuff you hear from some guy who’s three sheets to the wind in some bar somewhere, half talking to himself.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 8, 2016 • 3:31:40am

re: #57 goddamnedfrank

Also, the entire Rebel Alliance was led by a woman, Mon Mothma.

Well, Rage Furby does not accept the Social Justice Warrior premise that women can be rebel leaders, or even leaders, so he’d probably complain about Mon Mothma, too.

It’s basically MRA/white supremacist BS. Civilization is doomed because white men are not the heroes in a fracking Star Wars movie.

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BadExampleMan  Apr 8, 2016 • 3:44:25am

re: #27 jaunte

How do you spell ‘pander’ in Hebrew?

לסרסר, though I’m not sure if you can use it in the same figurative sense as in English. Oddly enough it didn’t come up very often at Ulpan so I never asked.

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Alyosha  Apr 8, 2016 • 3:47:16am
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Alyosha  Apr 8, 2016 • 3:53:12am

8. Electioneering

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Shimshon  Apr 8, 2016 • 4:02:37am

Just like in the 1990’s, these right wing rags are seeing a resurgence of popularity by repeating lies about the Clinton family. History repeats itself because millions of people are just stupid and/or uninformed.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Apr 8, 2016 • 4:54:37am

re: #58 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He hasn’t seen the new movie yet, he says.

Really, his premises are false, therefore his conclusions are false. Basic logic fail. It’s the kind of stuff you hear from some guy who’s three sheets to the wind in some bar somewhere, half talking to himself.

I’m failing to see a difference at all. He sounds completely shit-faced.

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ObserverArt  Apr 8, 2016 • 4:58:19am

Morning! Brrrr. Hey, at least the sun is out…for now. Maybe I can get some of my photo job accomplished today before it gets crappy again.

I watched the first 20 minutes of Morning Joke again today. Nice thing was there was no Joke for the first halfhour. Joke must have been doing his hair.

Anyway, the must have drunk some coffee. Mika and today’s panel woke the hell up and discovered there just may be something about this qualified for office thing. Yep, suddenly they figured out the media has been enamored with the glory of the anti-establishment types and forgot to actually check into things like policy, accomplishment and ability to get things done.

Who knows, Bernie may regret he is going down that road because after the newspaper NY Daily News got smart enough to ask questions and hold a candidate’s feet to the fire, it seems the other media might actually start to ask questions.

What a concept. Let’s see where this goes.

By the way, I can’t watch but The NBC Today show is going to be having a Town Hall with Bernie in the next half hour.

And the Matt Lauer interview with Hillary was handled pretty well by Hillary in my opinion.

Later…

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Dr. Matt  Apr 8, 2016 • 4:58:30am

re: #59 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Well, Rage Furby does not accept the Social Justice Warrior premise that women can be rebel leaders, or even leaders, so he’d probably complain about Mon Mothma, too.

It’s basically MRA/white supremacist BS. Civilization is doomed because white men are not the heroes in a fracking Star Wars movie.

Don’t forget about Teh Blacks! Teh Blacks can’t be leads and heros in his White White Star Wars’s [sic] World….even though the voice of darth vader was a Teh Black guy and Lando, who became a hero in episode VI, was…..ssshhhhh…..Teh Black.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 8, 2016 • 5:00:28am

re: #59 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Well, Rage Furby does not accept the Social Justice Warrior premise that women can be rebel leaders, or even leaders, so he’d probably complain about Mon Mothma, too.

It’s basically MRA/white supremacist BS. Civilization is doomed because white men are not the heroes in a fracking Star Wars movie.

Which conveniently ignores that Palpatine (old white guy) was the main bad guy in the original trilogy. His number two, Vader (old white guy) was a villain for 95% of the original trilogy.

And the Death Star was destroyed by Lando Calrissian (black guy) and his alien co-pilot (yes, and also Wedge Antilles [white guy]).

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Dr. Matt  Apr 8, 2016 • 5:02:47am

re: #67 Timothy Watson

Rage Furby: “Palpatine? Clearly a Hebrew name.”

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Dr. Matt  Apr 8, 2016 • 5:07:28am

“If we stand up and take on the big money interests that have so much power, we can change America”

Empty talking point….as usual.

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Kent Dorfman  Apr 8, 2016 • 5:33:16am

Janet Yellen doesn’t see a bubble in the market.

Federal Reserve Chair Janet Yellen on Thursday touted the strength of the United States economy, rebuffing political rhetoric suggesting a bubble is ready to

burst.

“I certainly wouldn’t describe this as a bubble economy,” Yellen said, noting a “healing” labor market and a 5 percent headline unemployment number.

Yellen appeared on a panel with former Fed Chairs Ben Bernanke, Paul Volcker and Alan Greenspan at the International House in New York. The U.S. central bank heads discussed the U.S. economy and monetary policy around the globe.

Yellen’s comments come soon after Republican presidential contender Donald Trump’s contention that an economic bubble could burst. Yellen noted that she did not see “imbalances” like “clearly overvalued” asset prices.

and on breaking up the big banks:

Yellen also addressed a recent crusade by Minneapolis Fed President Neel Kashkari, who has floated breaking up large banks to increase financial system stability. She noted that she shared Kashkari’s concern about ending firms’ “too big to fail” status.

But she said policies like capital and liquidity requirements and stress tests have “greatly enhanced the safety and soundness of the banking system.”

“I feel more positive on the progress that we’ve made,” Yellen said.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 8, 2016 • 5:47:10am

WaPo hires reporters who don’t think the campaign trail goes through St Peter’s Square:

Bernie Sanders plans short hiatus from New York campaign trail to speak at the Vatican

washingtonpost.com

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 8, 2016 • 5:49:03am

Snow here in western PA. Gives me a little more time for my weight loss. I wanted to lose 10 pounds by spring, I only have 15 more to go.

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Shimshon  Apr 8, 2016 • 5:56:20am

re: #71 Decatur Deb

WaPo hires reporters who don’t think the campaign trail goes through St Peter’s Square:

Bernie Sanders plans short hiatus from New York campaign trail to speak at the Vatican

washingtonpost.com

Bernie makes sure to miss AIPAC and pander to his non religious base that dislikes Israel and then goes out of his way to visit the Vatican to meet with the popular with the non religious left Pope? He really is going all out in desperate optics to pander to the low information left wing Caucasian voters. Does he not know there are other voters out there in America?

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Kent Dorfman  Apr 8, 2016 • 5:58:40am

re: #73 Shimshon

from the article:

“I am grateful to the Vatican for inviting me to talk about an issue that is very dear to my heart, which is how we create a moral economy that works for all of the people rather than just the top one percent,” Sanders said in an interview. “I will also in my remarks be addressing the planetary crisis of climate change and the moral imperative to make sure we leave this planet in a way that is healthy and habitable for future generations.”

Sanders, who would be the nation’s first Jewish president, often references Francis on the campaign trail, praising his leadership on economic and environmental issues. Sanders said he believes he will be the only American public official speaking at the gathering.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 8, 2016 • 6:05:39am

From GotNwes.com:

Chuck Johnson: Civilization doomed because Star Wars: #RogueOne not white enough

So, Chuck Johnson has moved from writing incoherently on his blog to speaking incoherently in YouTube videos that he introduces in print by referring to himself in the third person. This deft maneuver has made our job harder, as we now must listen to him babble before trying to make sense of it for you. Yeah, you’re welcome.

Skip the video. We mean this. We value your sanity and well being. Read our summary. Then have a good stiff drink, and watch something soothing, like My Little Pony.

Our headline pretty much says it all. His high-IQ argument is essentially that civilization depends on white alpha males to make things happen, because “beta” males and women can’t do it. These white alpha males need role models to get their inspiration — white, male role models. The earlier Star Wars movies and the Star Trek TV show inspired white men to do stuff, like build the Internet so tubby, pasty-white boys can make nonsensical videos in their basement to tell us why Rogue One sucks.

OK, he didn’t say that last part.

More

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Decatur Deb  Apr 8, 2016 • 6:06:36am

re: #73 Shimshon

Bernie makes sure to miss AIPAC and pander to his non religious base that dislikes Israel and then goes out of his way to visit the Vatican to meet with the popular with the non religious left Pope? He really is going all out in desperate optics to pander to the low information left wing Caucasian voters. Does he not know there are other voters out there in America?

“How many divisions precincts does the Pope have?”

All politicians can count votes.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 8, 2016 • 6:07:20am

re: #68 Dr. Matt

Rage Furby: “Palpatine? Clearly a Hebrew Muslim name.”

The verdict is out regarding his anti-semitic views, though he seems conflicted on this matter. His Islamophobia is more distinct.

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lizardofid  Apr 8, 2016 • 6:09:20am

re: #76 Decatur Deb

“How many divisions precincts does the Pope have?”

All politicians can count votes

Very subtle comrade. ; )

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Decatur Deb  Apr 8, 2016 • 6:12:21am

re: #78 lizardofid

Very subtle comrade.

A single priest is an enemy of the people. A thousand priests is a special interest group.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 8, 2016 • 6:16:11am

re: #67 Timothy Watson

That alien piloting the Millenium Falcon in Return was voiced acted by a Kikuyu, who was speaking his native language, Kalenjin.

And, in spite of being a Kenyan, it, in fact, was not Barack Obama.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 8, 2016 • 6:16:49am

This week’s Arrow episode:

Click to Reveal

I don’t think Laurel is really dead. She and Ollie worked out some trick to bring her back later on, so she can be Black Canary full time.

My two cents.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 8, 2016 • 6:18:02am

re: #80 The Ghost of the Spaghetti Weevil

That alien piloting the Millenium Falcon in Return was voiced acted by a Kikuyu, who was speaking his native language, Kalenjin.

And, in spite of being a Kenyan, it, in fact, was not Barack Obama.

Show us the long form Actor’s Equity card!

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Dr. Matt  Apr 8, 2016 • 6:19:26am

re: #75 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

After Rage Furby gets banned from youtube, he’ll have to resort to dial-up modem and BBSes.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 8, 2016 • 6:21:52am

re: #83 Dr. Matt

After Rage Furby gets banned from youtube, he’ll have to resort to dial-up modem and BBSes.

Nah. Standing on street corners in Fresno, yelling at passers-by.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2016 • 6:33:50am

re: #84 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Nah. Standing on street corners in Fresno, yelling at passers-by.

“Will you pay me to let you post my commentary for me?”

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BeenHereAwhile  Apr 8, 2016 • 6:34:15am

re: #80 The Ghost of the Spaghetti Weevil

That alien piloting the Millenium Falcon in Return was voiced acted by a Kikuyu, who was speaking his native language, Kalenjin.

And, in spite of being a Kenyan, it, in fact, was not Barack Obama.

Obama’s father was Luo, not Kikuyu.

Being from the Kenyan non-dominate tribe probably inhibited Obama Sr’s career in Kenya.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 8, 2016 • 6:37:42am

re: #83 Dr. Matt

After Rage Furby gets banned from youtube, he’ll have to resort to dial-up modem and BBSes.

With an ASCII art picture of his face

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MsJ  Apr 8, 2016 • 6:38:54am

Pre-speakers started to come on. One woman was an evangelical pastor in bleached-blond hair and a skin-tight orange dress with orange high-heels to match, looking like a Fox News hostess wearing an Oompa Loompa that she’d shot on safari. She made some sort of case that Donald Trump was privately holy and a true man of God. Whatever.

…

The deepest irony of the whole thing was being surrounded by people who mock underprivileged minorities for seeking autonomous “safe spaces” while crying for the government to build a literal wall around them all and kill every single person they’re afraid of.

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Shimshon  Apr 8, 2016 • 6:40:36am

When Bernie panders and breaks fundraising records, it’s beautiful democracy. When Hillary does it, it’s more proof she is dishonest and paid for by special interests. This is such a crazy election, like people are really trying to turn the Democratic party into a clown show because the right wing has been one for years.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2016 • 6:43:11am

re: #89 Shimshon

When Bernie panders and breaks fundraising records, it’s beautiful democracy. When Hillary does it, it’s more proof she is dishonest and paid for by special interests. This is such a crazy election, like people are really trying to turn the Democratic party into a clown show because the right wing has been one for years.

Make sure you take into account how much of this occurs every election. And primaries have their own dynamic: Because the candidates on one side are actually pretty close to each other (otherwise they’d be in different parties), each slight difference has to be magnified in order to make it seem relevant.

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MsJ  Apr 8, 2016 • 6:44:28am
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Great White Snark  Apr 8, 2016 • 6:45:03am

Good Morning from Los Angeles. Well the President is in town raising some green for the party cause, mentioned his three Osprey flight group went literally over my head. Wow that’s big bucks, $30k, even $60K to attend. For all the problems Hollywood can and does have, cash flow seems not to be an issue.

About those planes-It was twilight & cloudy, ever so slightly rainy. Reason I mention conditions is the planes appeared to have St elmos fire on the propeller tips, or maybe green LED’s for safety ? Anyway for a moment at distance the three planes looked a little like six flying saucers as if right from a 50’s Scifi movie.

One more thing-Local media got Don Cheadle talking up Miles Ahead, his directorial debut about Miles Davis. Saw the trailer and it looks like I gotta go see that, thinking all the jazz fans around here too?

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Shimshon  Apr 8, 2016 • 6:59:10am

re: #90 Belafon

Make sure you take into account how much of this occurs every election. And primaries have their own dynamic: Because the candidates on one side are actually pretty close to each other (otherwise they’d be in different parties), each slight difference has to be magnified in order to make it seem relevant.

This forced Democratic clown car is nothing like it used to be. And the Republican clown car is worse than it ever was. But the media is pushing to make both sides equally bad with the Sanders camp cheerleading. Also you never used to see Democratic voters on the internet pushing every ridiculous story from right wing rags like the Moonie Times, Breitbart, etc. Go to /politics on reddit and you’d think you were on Free Republic with all the right wing propaganda sites being treated as legitimate sources.

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Shimshon  Apr 8, 2016 • 6:59:38am

re: #92 Great White Snark

Good Morning from Los Angeles. Well the President is in town raising some green for the party cause, mentioned his three Osprey flight group went literally over my head. Wow that’s big bucks, $30k, even $60K to attend. For all the problems Hollywood can and does have, cash flow seems not to be an issue.

About those planes-It was twilight & cloudy, ever so slightly rainy. Reason I mention conditions is the planes appeared to have St elmos fire on the propeller tips, or maybe green LED’s for safety ? Anyway for a moment at distance the three planes looked a little like six flying saucers as if right from a 50’s Scifi movie.

One more thing-Local media got Don Cheadle talking up Miles Ahead, his directorial debut about Miles Davis. Saw the trailer and it looks like I gotta go see that, thinking all the jazz fans around here too?

Excuse my pedantry but the President is still not allowed to travel in Ospreys.

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Billy Batts  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:01:32am

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:03:42am

re: #95 Billy Batts

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Billy Batts  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:04:43am

re: #96 The Vicious Babushka

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MsJ  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:09:43am

The unspoken understanding shaping debates about photo identification is that such laws are passed to disenfranchise those voters who are more likely to vote for Democrats. Rep. Glenn Grothman (R-Wis.) articulated that position explicitly on Tuesday, arguing that the Republican presidential nominee would have a better chance of defeating whomever the Democratic nominee is in Wisconsin because the photo ID law will result in fewer Democrats voting.

(video)

“[Grothman] seems to have gone off script,” said Kristen Clarke, president of the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights, which runs the Election Protection program. “But he confirmed what we’ve always known, which is that voter ID is a tool used to promote voter suppression.”

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Billy Batts  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:16:57am

Lol, I feel like I’m at a rave. This idiot outside is just absurd.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:17:31am

re: #93 Shimshon

This forced Democratic clown car is nothing like it used to be. And the Republican clown car is worse than it ever was. But the media is pushing to make both sides equally bad with the Sanders camp cheerleading. Also you never used to see Democratic voters on the internet pushing every ridiculous story from right wing rags like the Moonie Times, Breitbart, etc. Go to /politics on reddit and you’d think you were on Free Republic with all the right wing propaganda sites being treated as legitimate sources.

I have seen that myself. People pushing anything as long as it will hurt the candidate they don’t like.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:20:34am

re: #98 MsJ

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Grothman I think pretty much said what that one Republican in Pennsylvania did. I’m getting sick of elected Republicans and their contempt for people expressing their rights as American citizens to vote.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:22:04am

Another cold day for baseball, meh.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:23:34am

re: #99 Billy Batts

Give him a nice cropdust on your way out. :)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:24:46am

re: #101 HappyWarrior

Grothman I think pretty much said what that one Republican in Pennsylvania did. I’m getting sick of elected Republicans and their contempt for people expressing their rights as American citizens to vote.

Well, those elected Republicans have to go get some kind of paying job outside the public sector, and might have to do some real work. I mean, they complain about people on welfare being “leeches,” but what do you call someone who collects a princely salary (and some very nice bennies) while refusing to do his job?

Senator.

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allegro  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:25:48am

re: #95 Billy Batts

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Houston has a noise ordinance that he’s violating. Report him to the non-emergency police number.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:32:13am

Someone other than me, who can actually access twitter, should copy in the actual tweet. I’m going to copy what I can see from Balloon Juice:

Things that don’t matter: Narrative, Momentum, and Expectations
Things that do matter: Math, Delegates, and Organization

— Dan Pfeiffer (@danpfeiffer) April 5, 2016

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Billy Batts  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:33:42am

re: #102 HappyWarrior

Another cold day for baseball, meh.

SI predicted my Astros to win the WS this year. That means it’s going to be one long miserable season.

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KingKenrod  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:37:20am

re: #81 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

This week’s Arrow episode:

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My two cents.

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Teukka  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:38:03am

And here we go again:

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Testy Toad T  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:38:46am

re: #109 Teukka

And here we go again:

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Billy Batts  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:38:52am

re: #109 Teukka

And here we go again:

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But now is not the time to talk about guns.

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Lidane  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:39:57am

Herpty derp:

Facebook Post

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:40:55am

re: #112 Lidane

Herpty derp:

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Timothy Watson  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:41:44am

re: #113 The Vicious Babushka

THEY CAME TO WORK FOR SHIT PAY IN COAL MINES AND SWEATSHOPS!!!1!!! FREEDOMS!!1!!!!

So they could build our railroads, we could treat them like shit and kick them out after they were done building.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:46:03am

re: #112 Lidane

Herpty derp:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:47:31am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:47:50am
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:48:48am

Now reporting at least 2 dead.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:50:11am

Reports that it’s a murder-suicide

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Decatur Deb  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:51:13am

re: #114 Timothy Watson

So they could build our railroads, we could treat them like shit and kick them out after they were done building.

Great Irish immigration joke:

Dear Sean,
Do ye’ remember before I got on the boat, an they told us the streets here were paved with gold?
Well, sorry to say they’re not paved with gold.
In fact, they’re not paved at all.
In fact, Sean, ‘tis us they mean to pave them.
Yours, Seamus

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:54:05am

So now Sanders is saying GE is destroying America. Uh. Ok?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:54:41am

re: #108 KingKenrod

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Ah, I didn’t know about that. I guess we’ll get a clue next week.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:55:08am
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Belafon  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:55:15am

re: #121 GlutenFreeJesus

What exactly is he saying?

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Testy Toad T  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:56:39am

re: #121 GlutenFreeJesus

So now Sanders is saying GE is destroying America. Uh. Ok?

Take on Boeing and IBM next, Bernie. Maybe 3M and Ford. You know, those terrible no-value-added companies that are really dragging down American progress. See where that gets ya.

Expand that coalition! Political revolution wooooooooo!

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Shimshon  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:56:51am

re: #100 HappyWarrior

I have seen that myself. People pushing anything as long as it will hurt the candidate they don’t like.

Democrats never took right wing propaganda websites like Breitbart, Moonie Times, etc seriously even if they were trying to attack a candidate. Until this election and mostly the attacks are from Sanders supporters who either never voted before or were not Democrats before this election cycle.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:57:17am

re: #124 Belafon

What exactly is he saying?

An extremely nuance-free observation that a lot of major corporations exploit loopholes to pay little to no tax on their income.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:58:38am

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

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MsJ  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:59:19am

re: #125 Testy Toad T

Take on Boeing and IBM next, Bernie. Maybe 3M and Ford. You know, those terrible no-value-added companies that are really dragging down American progress. See where that gets ya.

Expand that coalition! Political revolution wooooooooo!

I got called a conservative republican by a Bernie Bro because I said that corporations were not all evil and they provided jobs for real people.

That makes me a conservative republican.

The saddest goddamned part? Everything else in his twitter timeline I agree with 100%.

Thanks, Bernie. Way to bring people together.

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MsJ  Apr 8, 2016 • 7:59:46am

re: #106 Belafon

Someone other than me, who can actually access twitter, should copy in the actual tweet. I’m going to copy what I can see from Balloon Juice:

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:01:59am

re: #129 MsJ

I got called a conservative republican by a Bernie Bro because I said that corporations were not all evil and they provided jobs for real people.

That makes me a conservative republican.

The saddest goddamned part? Everything else in his twitter timeline I agree with 100%.

Thanks, Bernie. Way to bring people together.

I’d be curious to know where that person works. And yes, I’d like those companies to pay taxes if other, especially smaller, companies are. But those companies do pay salaries and buy stuff, so they’re not exactly a drain on the economy.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:02:46am

They didn’t come to America for some idiot 120 years later who thinks that was the good old days to use them in a stupid meme.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:03:01am

DIM JIM IS ON IT! Waiting for him to claim that the shooter was a “Leftist registered Democrat”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:03:53am

re: #129 MsJ

I got called a conservative republican by a Bernie Bro because I said that corporations were not all evil and they provided jobs for real people.

That makes me a conservative republican.

The saddest goddamned part? Everything else in his twitter timeline I agree with 100%.

Thanks, Bernie. Way to bring people together.

Agh.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:05:07am

Yeah an airfield should be open carry paradise. // Makes total sense.

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Great White Snark  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:06:14am

re: #94 Shimshon

Excuse my pedantry but the President is still not allowed to travel in Ospreys.

So why are they dressed out in Marine One trim, and showing up every time Obama comes to town? He’s in the beast and three of these things are for staff?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:06:21am
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Belafon  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:06:40am

re: #133 The Vicious Babushka

DIM JIM IS ON IT! Waiting for him to claim that the shooter was a “Leftist registered Democrat”

With the element of surprise, which is what any person would have that is not just walking around waving a gun around, they are probably going to get one victim before they get shot. So, this is the minimum number of people I would expect to see in any situation like this, with or without other people packing.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:07:25am

re: #131 Belafon

I’d be curious to know where that person works. And yes, I’d like those companies to pay taxes if other, especially smaller, companies are. But those companies do pay salaries and buy stuff, so they’re not exactly a drain on the economy.

They should be taxed more than you or me. They should also be recognized as the engines of innovation and economic growth that took a backwater agricultural colony and grew it into the industrial capital of the free world.

I think Sanders would/will find that when he vocally embraces his actual capital-S Socialist positions, many of his less informed supporters might step back and give each other confused looks before wandering back off to Reddit or wherever.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:07:53am

re: #135 HappyWarrior

Yeah an airfield should be open carry paradise. // Makes total sense.

Strange how the military assumes it’s unnecessary and unwise to be packing heat 24/7. Sane people might take that as expert advice for the civilian population to follow. Instead, they say the military is wrong, because guns is good.

smh

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Timothy Watson  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:08:17am

re: #129 MsJ

I got called a conservative republican by a Bernie Bro because I said that corporations were not all evil and they provided jobs for real people.

That makes me a conservative republican.

The saddest goddamned part? Everything else in his twitter timeline I agree with 100%.

Thanks, Bernie. Way to bring people together.

The asshole probably shops at Whole Foods Inc. every other day.

Are all corporations TEH EVIL or just the publicly traded ones? I need a flowchart or something. Are LLCs are TEH EVIL too?

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Shimshon  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:08:53am

re: #129 MsJ

I got called a conservative republican by a Bernie Bro because I said that corporations were not all evil and they provided jobs for real people.

That makes me a conservative republican.

The saddest goddamned part? Everything else in his twitter timeline I agree with 100%.

Thanks, Bernie. Way to bring people together.

I think corporations have too much influence and should pay way more in taxes. Corporations employ as little people as possible, outsourcing and opening up foreign subsidiaries instead. I think both Sanders and Clinton have similar ideas on how to change that. Evil is a strong word but people are rightly angry at the state of the economy if you aren’t upper middle class and above.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:09:14am

re: #136 Great White Snark

So why are they dressed out in Marine One trim, and showing up every time obama comes to town? He’s in the beast and three of these things are for staff?

They are dressed in HMX-1 livery, but the utility variant, all green with white pinstripes. An aircraft of the squadron that is actually intended to carry the President has a white dorsal surface.

en.wikipedia.org

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:09:19am

re: #140 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Strange how the military assumes it’s unnecessary and unwise to be packing heat 24/7. Sane people might take that as expert advice for the civilian population to follow. Instead, they say the military is wrong, because guns is good.

smh

Yeah I think the military might know a little more about guns than a stupid blogger.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:09:59am

re: #139 Testy Toad T

They should be taxed more than you or me. They should also be recognized as the engines of innovation and economic growth that took a backwater agricultural colony and grew it into the industrial capital of the free world.

I think Sanders would/will find that when he vocally embraces his actual capital-S Socialist positions, many of his less informed supporters might step back and give each other confused looks before wandering back off to Reddit or wherever.

And I think capital gains should be taxed at a significantly higher rate, why is physical labor valued less than some rich guy who does nothing, but makes millions because of his financial adviser?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:10:23am

re: #139 Testy Toad T

They should be taxed more than you or me. They should also be recognized as the engines of innovation and economic growth that took a backwater agricultural colony and grew it into the industrial capital of the free world.

I think Sanders would/will find that when he vocally embraces his actual capital-S Socialist positions, many of his less informed supporters might step back and give each other confused looks before wandering back off to Reddit or wherever.

As with most things, they’re complex. Corporations do some good things and they do some bad things.

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Shimshon  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:10:25am

re: #136 Great White Snark

So why are they dressed out in Marine One trim, and showing up every time Obama comes to town? He’s in the beast and three of these things are for staff?

They transport support staff like the USSS. The President still flies in a formation of 2 or 3 Sikorsky’s.

en.wikipedia.org

The Ospreys are still not proven as safe as the Sikorksy’s, and it looks like the President will never travel in an Osprey as a new replacement for the model of Sikorsky the President flies in has gone past the bidding phase.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:10:41am

re: #145 Timothy Watson

And I think capital gains should be taxed at a significantly higher rate, why is physical labor valued less than some rich guy who does nothing, but makes millions because of his financial adviser?

I agree with this too.

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Shimshon  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:12:28am

re: #139 Testy Toad T

They should be taxed more than you or me. They should also be recognized as the engines of innovation and economic growth that took a backwater agricultural colony and grew it into the industrial capital of the free world.

I think Sanders would/will find that when he vocally embraces his actual capital-S Socialist positions, many of his less informed supporters might step back and give each other confused looks before wandering back off to Reddit or wherever.

That engines of innovation is debatable. It was government funded research and development that created America today. If we left everything up to corporations then the economy would just turn into engines for the elite to grow their wealth, which is what is happening today after the de-regulation started in the 1970’s. Also what happened in the Gilded Age, and the “roaring 20’s.”

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MsJ  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:12:31am

re: #131 Belafon

I’d be curious to know where that person works. And yes, I’d like those companies to pay taxes if other, especially smaller, companies are. But those companies do pay salaries and buy stuff, so they’re not exactly a drain on the economy.

I agree 100% with tax REFORM because they are following the law in regards to taxes. They are not breaking the law, they have a boat-load of accountants to make sure they take advantage of every loophole.

That’s the issue and that is not what Bernie ever says. He cannot write an EO to update tax law. The GOP will not approve legislation to fix the tax law without screwing over regular people and give more tax breaks to corporations.

So there’s the Catch 22 we live in. And no matter what Bernie says, it’s not going to change.

This started the exchange. Click on it to read the whole thing.

And this was his plan for how to get shit done:

Which says nothing about GOP obstruction. It’s all unicorn farts and ponies for all.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:13:29am

re: #150 MsJ

Damn, Charles is getting money from everyone!

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Stanley Sea  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:14:23am

re: #88 MsJ

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Wow. That’s all I’ve got this morning.

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Shimshon  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:14:34am

re: #151 Timothy Watson

Damn, Charles is getting money from everyone!

We all know Soros is behind this all…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:16:02am

re: #150 MsJ

I agree 100% with tax REFORM because they are following the law in regards to taxes. They are not breaking the law, they have a boat-load of accountants to make sure they take advantage of every loophole.

That’s the issue and that is not what Bernie ever says. He cannot write an EO to update tax law. The GOP will not approve legislation to fix the tax law without screwing over regular people and give more tax breaks to corporations.

So there’s the Catch 22 we live in. And no matter what Bernie says, it’s not going to change.

This started the exchange. Click on it to read the whole thing.

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Which says nothing about GOP obstruction. It’s all unicorn farts and ponies for all.

What’s sad is he’s probably a nice guy but he’s completely unreasonable here. See it’s okay to be liberal? And you’re right. He’s not thinking about the Republicans in Congress at all. You know, this wouldn’t even bug me that much if his candidate of choice could actually commit to campaigning for a Democratic congress but Bernie can’t bring himself to do taht.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:17:15am

re: #153 Shimshon

We all know Soros is behind this all…

ZIONISTS!

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MsJ  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:19:16am

re: #142 Shimshon

I think corporations have too much influence and should pay way more in taxes. Corporations employ as little people as possible, outsourcing and opening up foreign subsidiaries instead. I think both Sanders and Clinton have similar ideas on how to change that. Evil is a strong word but people are rightly angry at the state of the economy if you aren’t upper middle class and above.

Totally agree. As I said above, we need tax reform. That’s not going to happen.

There is nothing we can do to not outsource. We can create incentives to employ Americans. If we give tax breaks, those are the tax breaks I want to see. Policy that encourages American companies to employ American workers.

Evil, btw, is not my word. It’s thrown about all the time by (mostly) lefties.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:19:56am

re: #150 MsJ

The thing is, I don’t think he really understands what “liberal” means in this country. Liberal has never meant anti-business. FDR, the closest we’ve gotten to a socialist leader, still supported business. He just saw that there really needed to be a greater balance between business and people.

And I consider myself a pretty solid liberal, but I wonder if it might not actually be better to not tax companies at all, but significantly raise upper bracket income taxes and raise the capital gains tax to regular income tax levels. This would not only force, but encourage companies to put that money back into the company. The one downside is that a company could choose to sit on the money, but that could actually be fixed by introducing a little bit of inflation into the economy with, say, a minimum wage that increases every year.

Edit: Another incentive for not taxing businesses is that it reduces the legal requirement to treat them as citizens.

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Shimshon  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:20:45am

re: #156 MsJ

Totally agree. As I said above, we need tax reform. That’s not going to happen.

There is nothing we can do to not outsource. We can create incentives to employ Americans. If we give tax breaks, those are the tax breaks I want to see. Policy that encourages American companies to employ American workers.

Evil, btw, is not my word. It’s thrown about all the time by (mostly) lefties.

I agree, tax break to employ Americans and remove tax breaks that let companies outsource on the cheap.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:22:48am

I have to admit I wince the same way when I hear lefties say capitalism is evil the way I do when I hear righties say socialism is evil. Both systems I think offer something valid up. I agree with what Belafon is saying Re: FDR that there needs to be a balance between business and people.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:24:36am

re: #159 HappyWarrior

I have to admit I wince the same way when I hear lefties say capitalism is evil the way I do when I hear righties say socialism is evil. Both systems I think offer something valid up. I agree with what Belafon is saying Re: FDR that there needs to be a balance between business and people.

And righties are completely incapable of distinguishing between communism (or Leninism, Stalinism, etc.) and socialism.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:25:10am

re: #157 Belafon

And I consider myself a pretty solid liberal, but I wonder if it might not actually be better to not tax companies at all, but significantly raise upper bracket income taxes and raise the capital gains tax to regular income tax levels. This would not only force, but encourage companies to put that money back into the company. The one downside is that a company could choose to sit on the money, but that could actually be fixed by introducing a little bit of inflation into the economy with, say, a minimum wage that increases every year.

The ultimate (never completely attainable) goal should be a stable, safe, comfortable, happy life for all of the people who reside in this country, with relatively high equality in economic development and personal growth opportunity.

Whether or not a company pays $X in taxes is a talking point that completely does not interest me except insofar as it can advance the above goal.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:25:18am

re: #160 Timothy Watson

And righties are completely incapable of distinguishing between communism (or Leninism, Stalinism, etc.) and socialism.

Absolutely. There’s a big difference what Sanders believes and Stalinism or even Chavezism.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:27:00am

re: #161 Testy Toad T

The ultimate (never completely attainable) goal should be a stable, safe, comfortable, happy life for all of the people who reside in this country, with relatively high equality in economic development and personal growth opportunity.

Whether or not a company pays $X in taxes is a talking point that completely does not interest me except insofar as it can advance the above goal.

I’d give multiple updings, except for the really strict upding ID requirements at this site.

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bratwurst  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:29:29am

Goddamn right. I totally get that “legroom standards” sounds like some kind of nanny state overreach. The problem is that the airline industry has consolidated so much that an enormous number of routes are absolute monopolies at this point. They are now free to introduce new “torture class” seating, and travelers literally have no choice if they wish to get from point A to point B by air in a growing number of situations.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:30:05am

Ultimately you need a system that allows businesses to operate freely but you also need a strong government to help people and protect people’s rights. And that’s the essence of modern liberalism. And that is real freedom to me where I’m not handicapped by situations beyond my control.

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Shimshon  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:30:25am

re: #162 HappyWarrior

Absolutely. There’s a big difference what Sanders believes and Stalinism or even Chavezism.

Nice try Comrade.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:30:47am

re: #124 Belafon

He’s channeling his inner Donald Trump.

money.cnn.com

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:31:45am

re: #150 MsJ

And to get back to your last point: I’m pretty sure most Democrats (though not all, I’m no that naïve) started thinking up bills to change the ability for GE size companies to get refunds, but there’s no way any of them were going to get through this Congress.

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Shimshon  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:32:50am

re: #159 HappyWarrior

I have to admit I wince the same way when I hear lefties say capitalism is evil the way I do when I hear righties say socialism is evil. Both systems I think offer something valid up. I agree with what Belafon is saying Re: FDR that there needs to be a balance between business and people.

Capitalism is evil. That is why there needs to be strong regulation and oversight. That is what “capitalism is evil” means to me. That left unchecked, we get financial crises and corruption and militaries acting on behalf of corporations like United Fruit and Halliburton.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:32:58am

re: #164 bratwurst

And there are bona fide health risks involved too.

But that would require wingnuts to actually do a little research before opening their mouths, instead of doing their usual Pavlov’s dogs learned response.

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MsJ  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:33:09am

re: #154 HappyWarrior

What’s sad is he’s probably a nice guy but he’s completely unreasonable here. See it’s okay to be liberal? And you’re right. He’s not thinking about the Republicans in Congress at all. You know, this wouldn’t even bug me that much if his candidate of choice could actually commit to campaigning for a Democratic congress but Bernie can’t bring himself to do taht.

And without that, without dems to support any agenda, Bernie can’t even give these folks - who truly believe in him - a hoof, let alone a pony.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:33:49am

re: #169 Shimshon

Capitalism is evil. That is why there needs to be strong regulation and oversight. That is what “capitalism is evil” means to me. That left unchecked, we get financial crises and corruption and militaries acting on behalf of corporations like United Fruit and Halliburton.

That’s a fair point. And yes capitalism needs regulation. Smith agreed with this.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:33:57am

re: #164 bratwurst

Goddamn right. I totally get that “legroom standards” sounds like some kind of nanny state overreach. The problem is that the airline industry has consolidated so much that an enormous number of routes are absolute monopolies at this point. They are now free to introduce new “torture class” seating, and travelers literally have no choice if they wish to get from point A to point B by air in a growing number of situations.

There’s also a substantial safety component. I think the FAA would be totally within its rights to require a seat pitch sufficient for rapid egress for us tall folks. What we’ve currently got ain’t it.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:34:28am

re: #171 MsJ

And without that, without dems to support any agenda, Bernie can’t even give these folks - who truly believe in him - a hoof, let alone a pony.

For as much as many of them claim to venerate FDR, they don’t comprehend at all that FDR had a huge tent.

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MsJ  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:36:52am

re: #157 Belafon

The thing is, I don’t think he really understands what “liberal” means in this country. Liberal has never meant anti-business. FDR, the closest we’ve gotten to a socialist leader, still supported business. He just saw that there really needed to be a greater balance between business and people.

And I consider myself a pretty solid liberal, but I wonder if it might not actually be better to not tax companies at all, but significantly raise upper bracket income taxes and raise the capital gains tax to regular income tax levels. This would not only force, but encourage companies to put that money back into the company. The one downside is that a company could choose to sit on the money, but that could actually be fixed by introducing a little bit of inflation into the economy with, say, a minimum wage that increases every year.

Edit: Another incentive for not taxing businesses is that it reduces the legal requirement to treat them as citizens.

I disagree with not taxing corporations. They will sit on that money. There needs to be incentives to invest here, in human capital and in other ways. Tax policy should be such that it encourages that kind of investment. Our tax rates for corporations are almost the lowest in the world, no matter what right wingers say.

What we’re doing now, trying to tax American companies subsidies that are in other countries at American rates (in essence double taxation) is stupid and ineffective…and mostly illegal. This is a stupid path to take. There is no incentive for American investment. Taxes for taxing sake is a pointless exercise. We want companies to want to be here and invest here.

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MsJ  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:38:11am

re: #159 HappyWarrior

I have to admit I wince the same way when I hear lefties say capitalism is evil the way I do when I hear righties say socialism is evil. Both systems I think offer something valid up. I agree with what Belafon is saying Re: FDR that there needs to be a balance between business and people.

Unbridled capitalism is evil.

Communism as we know it is also evil.

Everything else is a balance and that balance should positively affect both companies and workers. Positively, being the operative word.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:38:32am

re: #175 MsJ

There’s currently an accumulated earnings tax, but I don’t know how many businesses are actually affected by it each year.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:39:51am

re: #176 MsJ

Unbridled capitalism is evil.

Communism as we know it is also evil.

Everything else is a balance and that balance should positively affect both companies and workers. Positively, being the operative word.

I agree. Positive balance.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:40:15am

re: #169 Shimshon

Capitalism is evil. That is why there needs to be strong regulation and oversight. That is what “capitalism is evil” means to me. That left unchecked, we get financial crises and corruption and militaries acting on behalf of corporations like United Fruit and Halliburton.

Capitalism definitely gets used wrong. It’s a model, a theoretical system like a frictionless baseball field (anyone else ever read Magic School Bus?), or Socialism. Those who use it to make decisions fail to realize that it does not take into account the people involved, and that they cannot be treated as just another component of the system.

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Shimshon  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:41:26am

If you don’t tax corporations and only income and dividends, then the wealthy would just find other ways to hide their income. In offshore tax havens and trusts among other tricks. It would make things complicated and for what? Why is taxing corporations a bad thing? This is America, every company wants to do business here. And if a company doesn’t want to pay a fair tax rate then another company will gladly take their place.

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MsJ  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:42:21am

re: #164 bratwurst

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Goddamn right. I totally get that “legroom standards” sounds like some kind of nanny state overreach. The problem is that the airline industry has consolidated so much that an enormous number of routes are absolute monopolies at this point. They are now free to introduce new “torture class” seating, and travelers literally have no choice if they wish to get from point A to point B by air in a growing number of situations.

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Shimshon  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:42:59am

re: #179 Belafon

Capitalism definitely gets used wrong. It’s a model, a theoretical system like a frictionless baseball field (anyone else ever read Magic School Bus?), or Socialism. Those who use it to make decisions fail to realize that it does not take into account the people involved, and that they cannot be treated as just another component of the system.

And the model of capitalism leads to the Gilded Age and Robber Barons. That is evil, unless in a capitalist system you have large regulation and government funding research and development that pushes companies to develop beneficial technology rather than just expensive boner pills and internet popup advertising.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:43:16am

re: #180 Shimshon

Why is taxing corporations a bad thing? This is America, every company wants to do business here. And if a company doesn’t want to pay a fair tax rate then another company will gladly take their place.

I don’t think anyone here is saying taxing corporations is necessarily a bad thing. It’s just not intrinsically a good thing. It’s a tool we can and probably should use to some degree, but not an end in itself.

We should seek to maximize some sort of quality/equality of life metric for the population and see what tax rates will help us achieve that, not pick our favorite tax rate and see where it gets us.

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withak  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:43:17am

re: #181 MsJ

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He certainly is an aptly-named politician, isn’t he?

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:43:39am

re: #175 MsJ

That’s why I think you’d have to require a minimum wage increase every year, which would do two things: Force them to have to put more money towards their employees, and create some inflation, which would reduce the value of any money they sit on.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:44:29am

“Evil” is such a deeply unhelpful term. In most cases, it terminates all useful discussion and back-and-forth dealmaking and compromise.

It’s a label to stick on a thing you don’t like.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:44:33am

re: #180 Shimshon

If you don’t tax corporations and only income and dividends, then the wealthy would just find other ways to hide their income. In offshore tax havens and trusts among other tricks. It would make things complicated and for what? Why is taxing corporations a bad thing? This is America, every company wants to do business here. And if a company doesn’t want to pay a fair tax rate then another company will gladly take their place.

The only way the wealthy could get that money is through a salary, which would be taxed. That’s also why I said capital gains taxes should be raised up to the level of any salary.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:45:13am

What I don’t get are wingnuts who think shitty wages are good for business. Higher paid workers are more productive workers. It also would decrease turnaround and create people who want to work for a company.

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MsJ  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:45:13am

re: #169 Shimshon

Capitalism is evil. That is why there needs to be strong regulation and oversight. That is what “capitalism is evil” means to me. That left unchecked, we get financial crises and corruption and militaries acting on behalf of corporations like United Fruit and Halliburton.

Unbridled capitalism is evil. Greed (is not good), is evil when not balanced with societal impact. Right wingers feel unbridled greed is good because it shows power. And authoritarianism. And they think they will, too, someday, be the CEO of some giant corporation making millions.

The Not Really Joe But Sam the Not Really Plumber syndrome.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:45:59am

re: #187 Belafon

The only way the wealthy could get that money is through a salary, which would be taxed. That’s also why I said capital gains taxes should be raised up to the level of any salary.

That’s the reason CEO’s and other insanely wealthy managers are paid through stock options and other methods that are not counted as “income”

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:46:41am

re: #183 Testy Toad T

I don’t think anyone here is saying taxing corporations is necessarily a bad thing. It’s just not intrinsically a good thing. It’s a tool we can and probably should use to some degree, but not an end in itself.

We should seek to maximize some sort of quality/equality of life metric for the population and see what tax rates will help us achieve that, not pick our favorite tax rate and see where it gets us.

Agree. My proposal was just a thought experiment on the idea that just taxing everything is the way to solve the equality problem. Could we tax different things that might have a better effect? I still ultimately believe in a progressive tax structure, so that’s never going to change.

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MsJ  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:49:31am

re: #177 Timothy Watson

There’s currently an accumulated earnings tax, but I don’t know how many businesses are actually affected by it each year.

I am not sure if we’re talking about the same thing but it may very well be. The companies affected would be registered as corporate head offices in the US with corporate entities elsewhere (think Google who is an American corp but has offices around the world). They pay taxes to the countries they are in. I don’t know tax law well enough but from what I read, there is either existing law or recommended law that they want those companies to pay taxes to the US on earnings made in other countries - where they are already paying taxes. Whether some of that is deductible on US tax forms I don’t know.

As someone said, tax law is insanely complex. But I do not hear of anything in tax law that encourages US investment which is what we should be striving for.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:51:49am

re: #190 The Vicious Babushka

That’s the reason CEO’s and other insanely wealthy managers are paid through stock options and other methods that are not counted as “income”

Is Bill Gates really worth $45B+? Until he tries to access that money, it’s really paper. And if he tries to access it, then it gets taxed. That’s why I think all money earned through the stock market should be taxed as regular income.

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gwangung  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:52:08am

re: #175 MsJ

Tax policy should be such that it encourages that kind of investment. Our tax rates for corporations are almost the lowest in the world, no matter what right wingers say.

And we still don’t compete that well.

Corporations and their execs are more interested in being rich than being leaders in innovation and in their industry.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:53:35am

re: #193 Belafon

And I agree with Buffett that even options should be treated as income.

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gocart mozart  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:56:33am

Asshole says:

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Timothy Watson  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:57:01am

re: #196 gocart mozart

Asshole says:

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Geography, how the fuck does that work?

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elly0055  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:57:33am

re: #5 Charles Johnson

FWIW, the Sanders campaign is reporting the story as true - I’m on the mailing list and got the following e-mail this morning:

From: berniesanders.com
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 5:13 AM
To: [my name]
Subject: Wild story from Clinton fundraiser last night

[my name] -

Last night Hillary Clinton hosted an outdoor fundraiser in Colorado (a state that already caucused) where “Event Chairs” could bundle $27,000 and “Champions” contributed $2,700.

But a crazy thing happened when she got ready to speak. Her campaign actually “turned on a static noise machine” pointed at the press so they couldn’t hear what she was saying to the financial elite in attendance.

Look, this campaign is funded by emails like this one. So this is technically a Bernie Sanders fundraiser. No noise machine here - we’ll say it directly to you and any members of the press who are on this email list: If Bernie Sanders is elected, he is going to take on a rigged economy held in place by a corrupt campaign finance system. He’s going to fight for universal health care, keep fossil fuels in the ground, ensure no bank is too big to fail and no banker too powerful to jail.

…

There is no link to the source of the story or reference to where it came from.

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MsJ  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:58:19am

re: #186 Testy Toad T

“Evil” is such a deeply unhelpful term. In most cases, it terminates all useful discussion and back-and-forth dealmaking and compromise.

It’s a label to stick on a thing you don’t like.

I despise the term, myself, but am using it as it is used by those who deride corporations without thinking of the impact of, what, I am not sure…doing away with them? The whole concept makes no sense to me.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2016 • 8:58:41am

re: #196 gocart mozart

Asshole says:

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I guess Trump was too busy fantasizing about fucking his future daughter when they went over geography at prep school.

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MsJ  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:00:05am

re: #193 Belafon

Is Bill Gates really worth $45B+? Until he tries to access that money, it’s really paper. And if he tries to access it, then it gets taxed. That’s why I think all money earned through the stock market should be taxed as regular income.

I like that idea.

If it goes up, great, bonus to that person (might make the Carly’s of the world think more about trashing their own companies - at a minimum not rewarding them for doing so) and if it goes down, well, bummer.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:01:15am

re: #194 gwangung

And we still don’t compete that well.

Corporations and their execs are more interested in being rich than being leaders in innovation and in their industry.

And I haven’t figured out how to make this work. Do we have a “best innovation award” sponsored by the government? Do we execute a underperforming CEO?

Actually, after writing that, the best way to make this work is to figure out how to cap CEO salaries. And that’s where an upper income tax hike, and taxing stock options as income, would be a good start.

Edit: I think this would reduce the incentive of being a CEO just being a place to make a lot of money for yourself before you retire.

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gwangung  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:02:58am

re: #202 Belafon

And I haven’t figured out how to make this work. Do we have a “best innovation award” sponsored by the government? Do we execute a underperforming CEO?

Actually, after writing that, the best way to make this work is to figure out how to cap CEO salaries. And that’s where an upper income tax hike, and taxing stock options as income, would be a good start.

We incentivize making money (and in the short term, at that) over having a good, stable business. And it’s been that way for decades.

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MsJ  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:03:21am

re: #200 HappyWarrior

I guess Trump was too busy fantasizing about fucking his future daughter when they went over geography at prep school.

Who knew the Atlantic Ocean was a small river? Heck, we should be scared to death! They could swim across that! /dripping

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MsJ  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:04:24am

re: #202 Belafon

And I haven’t figured out how to make this work. Do we have a “best innovation award” sponsored by the government? Do we execute a underperforming CEO?

Actually, after writing that, the best way to make this work is to figure out how to cap CEO salaries. And that’s where an upper income tax hike, and taxing stock options as income, would be a good start.

Edit: I think this would reduce the incentive of being a CEO just being a place to make a lot of money for yourself before you retire.

I don’t see any possible path for that. The government saying how much someone can or cannot make? I don’t see that happening. Ever.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:05:39am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>

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gocart mozart  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:05:44am

re: #197 Timothy Watson

I don’t think that rickity boat will make it across the Atlantic but maybe that’s just me.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:05:55am

re: #204 MsJ

Who knew the Atlantic Ocean was a small river? Heck, we should be scared to death! They could swim across that! /dripping

Yeah, how did we manage to fight off the British?

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BeachDem  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:06:50am

And, because the North Carolina asshole law has received such rave reviews, Lee (not so) Bright feels south by dog carolina should follow suit. Yeehaw.

South Carolina state Sen. Lee Bright (R) has introduced S. 1203, a bill that borrows language directly from North Carolina’s anti-LGBT law…Bright, whose conservative credentials include believing that schools should teach students how to shoot guns and that South Carolina should try seceding again, put his antipathy for transgender people on grand display when he introduced the bill Wednesday. “Apparently PayPal has shown its support for pedophiles by wanting them to go into bathrooms,” he said, referring to the online payment service abandoning plans for a global operations center in North Carolina. “Men and women sharing bathrooms in public places is just beyond me.”

thinkprogress.org

Lee, if I may, most sane things are beyond you. (This is the guy some people were touting as the man who was going to beat Lindsey Graham in his 2014 primary. Uh huh.)

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MsJ  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:08:49am

re: #209 BeachDem

I wonder how BMW would feel about that since they heavily invested in their Spartanburg facility. (As someone who’s had (and currently has) multiple BMW’s, I would be writing them.)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:09:33am

re: #206 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>

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Incredibly stupid and by someone who doesn’t know shit.

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wrenchwench  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:09:38am

re: #198 elly0055

Welcome, hatchling.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:10:32am

re: #205 MsJ

I don’t see any possible path for that. The government saying how much someone can or cannot make? I don’t see that happening. Ever.

You’re right. Cap isn’t the right way. But we can use various tax rates to make it more and more expensive to keep adding another dollar to a salary.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:12:44am

re: #209 BeachDem

I would be willing to help pay for a plane ticket for that one guy (born a woman) to go have a talk with Lee. He can ask Lee if he should go into a woman’s bathroom.

Edit: When I say that one guy, there’s the one person I’m thinking of who looks like he’s straight out of a western. I’ll have to look for a picture later.

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retired cynic  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:13:18am

re: #155 The Vicious Babushka

Hmmm. See the resemblance to the Great Goblin? Poor Charles!

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Dr. Matt  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:14:24am

Entitled: Dog Not Amused

Instagram

Dogs like the Bobbles, too! #aprilinthed #dogsofinstagram

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Dr. Matt  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:16:36am

re: #198 elly0055

re: #212 wrenchwench

Welcome, hatchling.

If the rules haven’t been explained to you yet, well, here goes. As a hatchling, you’re expected to bring homemade baked goods and good coffee.

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Lidane  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:17:29am

OUTRAGE!

*facepalm*

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MsJ  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:17:34am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:18:46am

oh good grief…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:19:50am
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Timothy Watson  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:19:58am

re: #220 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh good grief…

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Anyone have a list of the groups that Sanders hasn’t pissed off?

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Testy Toad T  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:20:30am

Back-to-back-to-back arguments in favor of a highly condensed primary schedule.

1) WHO CARES
2) THIS THING IS BASICALLY OVER
3) EVERYBODY SHUT UP FOREVER

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wrenchwench  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:20:52am

re: #217 Dr. Matt

If the rules haven’t been explained to you yet, well, here goes. As a hatchling, you’re expected to bring homemade baked goods and good coffee.

I’ve always thought we should at least provide the coffee. They’re just wee hatchlings!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:21:53am

re: #224 wrenchwench

I’ve always thought we should at least provide the coffee. They’re just wee hatchlings!

But good beer, hatchlings can bring that!

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Dr. Matt  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:22:12am

re: #224 wrenchwench

I’ve always thought we should at least provide the coffee. They’re just wee hatchlings!

If *I* had my way, they would be bringing (at the minimum) 15 year old scotch! :)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:23:29am

re: #220 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh good grief…

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For someone in Congress as long as he has, I’m perplexed with how amateurish his campaign comes off.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:23:35am

re: #198 elly0055

FWIW, the Sanders campaign is reporting the story as true - I’m on the mailing list and got the following e-mail this morning:

There is no link to the source of the story or reference to where it came from.

They probably recorded one of my lectures. It’s essentially what my students hear.

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wrenchwench  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:24:17am

re: #226 Dr. Matt

If* I* had my way, they would be bringing (at the minimum) 15 year old scotch! :)

This one probably could:

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Dr. Matt  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:28:23am

re: #222 Timothy Watson

Anyone have a list of the groups that Sanders hasn’t pissed off?

The venn diagram of groups that Sanders and Trump have pissed off is nearly a single circle.

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b.d.  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:30:05am

I’m sure they’ll get right on that comrade.

Hey! Why isn’t Snowie asking for Russians to take to the streets?

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b.d.  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:32:40am

re: #220 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh good grief…

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DailyKos is to totally swooning over Bernie meeting with The Pope. I wonder who will bless who?

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BeachDem  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:32:51am

re: #210 MsJ

I wonder how BMW would feel about that since they heavily invested in their Spartanburg facility. (As someone who’s had (and currently has) multiple BMW’s, I would be writing them.)

I don’t know. Not sure how far this will go—Nikki Haley has pretty much come out against it. Can’t stand her, but kudos on that.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:34:02am

re: #232 b.d.

DailyKos is to totally swooning over Bernie meeting with The Pope. I wonder who will bless who?

Pope gives Bernie a rosary, Bernie gives the pope a Planned Parenthood t-shirt.

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Jenner7  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:34:34am

A thousand times this:

It all starts at the bottom. I wish progressives would understand this.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:35:24am

re: #235 Jenner7

A thousand times this:

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It all starts at the bottom. I wish progressives would understand this.

Oh man so much this.

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wrenchwench  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:36:27am

re: #234 Decatur Deb

Pope gives Bernie a rosary, Bernie gives the pope a Planned Parenthood t-shirt.

Bernie doesn’t have the ovaries to be so brave.

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b.d.  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:37:01am

re: #237 wrenchwench

Bernie doesn’t have the ovaries to be so brave.

Bernie should call for the breaking up of the Vatican Bank.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:38:28am

re: #238 b.d.

Bernie should call for the breaking up of the Vatican Bank.

//

They only make sub-Primate loans.

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BeachDem  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:39:28am

re: #232 b.d.

DailyKos is to totally swooning over Bernie meeting with The Pope. I wonder who will bless who?

And of course, swooning over Bernie would not be quite as sweet if they didn’t also denigrate Hillary, bleating about how she’s doing some big fundraiser the same day.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:41:22am

re: #240 BeachDem

And of course, swooning over Bernie would not be quite as sweet if they didn’t also denigrate Hillary, bleating about how she’s doing some big fundraiser the same day.

Which is funny, because the people in the article know his entire point of participating is for political reasons.

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wrenchwench  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:43:20am

re: #241 Belafon

Which is funny, because the people in the article know his entire point of participating is for political reasons.

I see Bernie’s visit to the Vatican as a huge insult to women. He’s consorting with the enemy. And I was raised Catholic.

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b.d.  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:46:23am

re: #241 Belafon

I hope there are cameras there. Bernie only seems to be able to lecture rather than talk, it will be interesting to see if they cut his mic.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:49:09am

Updated, 11:18 a.m. | Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont has accepted an invitation from the Vatican to attend a conference on social, economic and environmental issues.

The Sanders campaign made the announcement on Friday as the senator made the rounds of the morning television news programs. Mr. Sanders will take a break from campaigning in New York, just days ahead of the April 19 primary there, to attend the conference hosted by the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences. Mr. Sanders, clarifying what he said earlier about a sit-down with Pope Francis, said he had not confirmed yet whether the two men would actually meet.

yeah, don’t think that’s gonna happen now, Bernie.

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b.d.  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:50:48am

re: #244 Backwoods_Sleuth

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yeah, don’t think that’s gonna happen now, Bernie.

Has Bernie come out yet and said if Francis is qualified to be Pope or not?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:52:30am

Of course, it’s for political reasons.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:53:09am

re: #245 b.d.

Has Bernie come out yet and said if Francis is qualified to be Pope or not?

I’m trying to decide if I should get behind his drive to break up Big Church.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:53:21am

Ugh. This blatantly fake “noise machine” story is now posted at Daily Kos, the Daily Mail, Daily Caller, Mediaite, and more, and not a single source expresses even a hint of skepticism about it.

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Skip Intro  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:56:04am

re: #248 Charles Johnson

It’s beginning to look like once again the Democrats have found a way to loose a sure thing.

Hillary once led Sanders by over 30 points in California. Now it’s down to 5 or 6. Way to look at the big picture, Dems.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:56:15am

re: #248 Charles Johnson

It’s just so… dumb. Weird, conspiratorial nonsense. Huge downside for basically no gain unless EEEEEVIL GOLDMAN SACHS weirdness.

I don’t even understand what rational thought process could lead you down such a road.

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b.d.  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:57:12am

Time to scrape Krugman off of the pavement and throw him under the bus again.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 8, 2016 • 9:57:53am

re: #249 Skip Intro

It’s beginning to look like once again the Democrats have found a way to loose a sure thing.

Hillary once led Sanders by over 30 points in California. Now it’s down to 5 or 6. Way to look at the big picture, Dems.

Momentum is not a thing. Delegates are a thing. Save the hair-on-fire shrieking panic.

(And no, Clinton’s lead in California is still something like +10 points.)

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blueraven  Apr 8, 2016 • 10:01:32am

re: #249 Skip Intro

It’s beginning to look like once again the Democrats have found a way to loose a sure thing.

Hillary once led Sanders by over 30 points in California. Now it’s down to 5 or 6. Way to look at the big picture, Dems.

That is not true. The RCP average has her ahead by 9.5.

realclearpolitics.com

SurveyUSA has her ahead by 14 and as far as pollster ratings go, Survey USA is at the top of the list.

fivethirtyeight.com

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2016 • 10:03:27am

Come to find out, the Clinton’s fundraiser was private. For the press to get in, they would need to pay, like everyone else. They were hoping to get around that.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2016 • 10:04:35am

re: #249 Skip Intro

It’s beginning to look like once again the Democrats have found a way to loose a sure thing.

Hillary once led Sanders by over 30 points in California. Now it’s down to 5 or 6. Way to look at the big picture, Dems.

She was ahead of everyone back when no one was seriously running against her. This narrowing was totally expected.

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gocart mozart  Apr 8, 2016 • 10:07:44am

Frank conducts the Navy Band performing Joe’s Garage. if this isn’t the greatest thing ever, it’s close.
A rarity from Frank Zappa’s Vault | whoisfrankzappa.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2016 • 10:12:24am
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BeachDem  Apr 8, 2016 • 10:18:53am

WTF

Last night, Smith25’s Liberal Thighs posted this.

littlegreenfootballs.com

Now today, this out of Modesto.

0wUDok5AW+v7MnAp6PcrtBWkPpqDvpc/BfZYQEzqKmP4g1Dx1eHbQgHYCLwCqRt6psoEgkQ/n6ojTO2okvitemaABFWqgv06DfXM+Zmwyn1DQ2W75muOwXcCRjIjmPKvg/vJfgDDcZ6n+PbYfzn0ej71LpIKM8f5xL/nWNWsbNY=

rawstory.com

Something is very wrong in our country.

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Kragar  Apr 8, 2016 • 10:19:14am
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Kragar  Apr 8, 2016 • 10:22:00am
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Skip Intro  Apr 8, 2016 • 10:22:10am

re: #255 Belafon

Two things.

1)

Rallying a crush of young people and independent voters to his campaign, Bernie Sanders has cut deeply into Hillary Clinton’s lead in California two months before the state’s Democratic presidential primary, according to a new Field Poll.

Sanders, who trailed Clinton by double digits in January, now lags just 6 percentage points behind.

sacbee.com

2)

Even if she eventually vanquishes Bernie Sanders in the primaries, Hillary Clinton might have serious trouble winning over his voters.

One out of four Sanders supporters- 25 percent - say they would not back Clinton in a general election if she became the Democratic nominee for president, while just 69 percent say they would support her, according to a new McClatchy-Marist poll.

sacbee.com

So basically the Dems have to hope that GOP voters act the same way when their favorite candidate isn’t chosen.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 8, 2016 • 10:25:06am

I’m sick of Democratic panic-FUD. Maybe I’ll go do some actual work.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 8, 2016 • 10:25:57am

re: #261 Skip Intro

Neither of these things are exactly new? They’ve been discussed before.

The delegate math says she’s going to be the nominee, and I believe someone else has pointed out that at this point in the primaries in 2008, even fewer Clinton voters said they would vote for Obama if he was the nominee. We can see how that turned out.

If you want to panic about it anyway, that’s your right.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 8, 2016 • 10:28:33am

Cop Asks Jogger To Run On Sidewalk, Arrests Her When She Doesn’t

Vera Pecaj, a 40-year-old teacher from Brighton, was jogging in Green Oak Township when Officer Michael Jain pulled up next to her in his vehicle and asked her to move from the road onto the sidewalk. According to Jain’s report, Pecaj ignored him. More, from MLive:

Jain crossed Rickett Road and then turned left onto Mission Road to wait for Pecaj, his report states. When he held up his hand to signal her to stop, he said, she repeatedly refused.

When she finally did —after Jain informed her she needed to stop or she’d go to jail — Pecaj refused to give her name and yelled she had done nothing wrong. Pecaj turned away to keep running, and Jain grabbed her arm.

“Don’t f****** touch me,” Pecaj yelled, according to Jain’s report.

Luckily she is White. Imagine a Blah person defying a LEO like that.

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Skip Intro  Apr 8, 2016 • 10:29:31am

re: #263 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I don’t doubt that she’ll be the nominee, but I wonder how she’ll win the general if Dems stay home again because they didn’t get their way. Hopefully Trump will rip the GOP apart at the convention and make Democrat stay-at-homes irrelevant.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2016 • 10:34:04am

re: #265 Skip Intro

Someone else probably has the tweet, but at this point in 2008, 59% of Clinton supporters said they’d vote for Obama. 69% of Sanders supporters say they’ll vote for Clinton.

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BeachDem  Apr 8, 2016 • 10:35:20am

re: #265 Skip Intro

I don’t doubt that she’ll be the nominee, but I wonder how she’ll win the general if Dems stay home again because they didn’t get their way. Hopefully Trump will rip the GOP apart at the convention and make Democrat stay-at-homes irrelevant.

My recurring nightmare is that the “I live in a very red/blue state, so I can write in Bernie or vote for Jill Stein and maintain my moral integrity (or some such pompous bilge)” could really deflate the Dem margin—affecting the oh so important mandate talk or worse, result in an Electoral College win and a popular vote loss.

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Kragar  Apr 8, 2016 • 10:35:49am

re: #266 Belafon

Expect the number to shift further as the election approaches

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2016 • 10:38:18am

re: #268 Kragar

Expect the number to shift further as the election approaches

Definitely. The amount of Clinton supporters that didn’t vote for Obama turned out to be insignificant.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2016 • 10:41:05am

re: #265 Skip Intro

I don’t doubt that she’ll be the nominee, but I wonder how she’ll win the general if Dems stay home again because they didn’t get their way. Hopefully Trump will rip the GOP apart at the convention and make Democrat stay-at-homes irrelevant.

I suspect a lot of those Bernie supporters threatening to stay home aren’t Dems.

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Jenner7  Apr 8, 2016 • 10:41:54am
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mmmirele  Apr 8, 2016 • 10:42:55am

re: #265 Skip Intro

I don’t doubt that she’ll be the nominee, but I wonder how she’ll win the general if Dems stay home again because they didn’t get their way. Hopefully Trump will rip the GOP apart at the convention and make Democrat stay-at-homes irrelevant.

Oh, I’m thinking that if Trump or Cruz is the candidate, either one of them will continue to spread the joy that is the imploding Republican party, which may lead to some of these diehard “Bernie or Else” types to hop on the Clinton bandwagon.

I have had to restrain myself over the past several days from posting on Facebook about how Bernie has it all wrong about banks. It’s like he simply doesn’t understand that banks are not just bankers. Banks also include many, many people who may never speak to a customer but whose jobs are important in making sure the customer understands where their money is at and what it is doing. Banks, even small community banks, couldn’t exist without the technology behind them. Bernie doesn’t get this. Maybe he’d get it if he couldn’t pay for a round of drinks because the ATM system is down. (That’s my go-to example for explaining what enterprise availability is and what I do for a living.)

It.takes.more.than.bankers. Bernie’s anti-banker rhetoric forgets about those of us who work for banks but are not bankers.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 8, 2016 • 10:43:23am

Is today a holiday? I’ve only received 2 emails so far.

Strange.

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Lidane  Apr 8, 2016 • 10:44:27am

*facepalm*

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Dr. Matt  Apr 8, 2016 • 10:45:37am

re: #273 Stanley Sea

Is today a holiday? I’ve only received 2 emails so far.

Strange.

April 8 celebrates a food holiday, National Empanada Day. Empanada’s are a stuffed bread or pastry that is baked or fried. The name empanada comes from the Galician, Portuguese and Spanish verb empanar, meaning to wrap or coat in bread.

Duh.

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b.d.  Apr 8, 2016 • 10:50:29am

re: #274 Lidane

*facepalm*

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That’s not even Corpus. That’s bumfuck, south of Victoria and north of Rockport. If there was a murder/suicide there the population of the county would go down by 50%.

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 8, 2016 • 10:53:36am

re: #159 HappyWarrior

I have to admit I wince the same way when I hear lefties say capitalism is evil the way I do when I hear righties say socialism is evil. Both systems I think offer something valid up. I agree with what Belafon is saying Re: FDR that there needs to be a balance between business and people.

Both capitalism and government are simply tools. They have no ethical qualities and they can only do what their operators tell them to do.

The human proclivity to assign ethical qualities to tools is probably one of the biggest weak points of our collective psyche. It keeps us from thinking carefully about what we are doing and why.

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Lidane  Apr 8, 2016 • 10:53:52am

Speaking of bumfuck Texas, have some GOHMERT! —

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Dr. Matt  Apr 8, 2016 • 10:55:47am

re: #278 Lidane

Louie Gohmert: If immigration reform passes, “the republic will be lost” because Democrats will win electionshttp://bit.ly
— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) April 8, 2016

I’m a bit confused. I thought Obamacare and then the re-election of Teh Blah Man was suppose to destroy the republic.

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 8, 2016 • 11:00:57am

re: #157 Belafon

The biggest problem with that is that large parts of the economy don’t pass through individual hands. Those parts are performed mostly by corporate interests of which the business world is just one although possibly the largest.

But, in my opinion, this does not remove corporate interests from paying taxes. They are protected by our laws, law enforcement and armed forces. Our courts decide the niceties of contracts. Our infrastructure allows them to ship goods quickly and efficiently where those goods need to go.

There’s no reason they shouldn’t have to pay for that.

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BeachDem  Apr 8, 2016 • 11:01:09am

re: #273 Stanley Sea

Is today a holiday? I’ve only received 2 emails so far.

Strange.

It would have been my father’s 97th birthday (except that he died when he was 68), but I don’t think that would affect your emails!

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Dr. Matt  Apr 8, 2016 • 11:03:34am

The Trump ‘cult’ is causing GOP mega-donors to abandon the presidential

The Trump ‘cult’ is causing GOP mega-donors to abandon the presidential http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/the-trump-cult-is-causing-gop-mega-donors-to-abandon-the-presidential-race/

Key conservative groups backed by the billionaire Koch brothers and their network of rich allies are plowing millions into Senate races after becoming frustrated by the overheated rhetoric and policies of leading Republican presidential candidates - especially frontrunner Donald Trump - and opting to stay out of the primaries.

Three leading groups - Americans for Prosperity, Freedom Partners Chamber of Commerce, and Concerned Veterans for America - supported by the Koch donor network spent almost $4m on ads in just the last month to boost Republican Senate candidates facing tough races in Nevada, Ohio and Wisconsin.

In Wisconsin, for instance, Americans for Prosperity, the Koch network’s political flagship group, has begun a $1m effort to back the Republican senator Ron Johnson in his battle against Democratic former senator Russ Feingold, who is ahead in the polls.

Please proceed.

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Kragar  Apr 8, 2016 • 11:07:47am
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Romantic Heretic  Apr 8, 2016 • 11:11:41am

re: #206 The Vicious Babushka

(Looks around the room)

The table on which printer, router and modem sit is left over from when I was well enough to work. The TV (never watched these days) is second hand from my sister. The rest of the furniture was bought by my parents when I moved into this apartment. The computer I’m typing this on was a birthday gift six years ago. Technically I bought the desk chair with my own money but that was from a trust fund my father set up for me when he passed away.

So I’d say this meme is a huge steaming pile of horseshit.

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 8, 2016 • 11:14:28am

re: #231 b.d.

I’m sure they’ll get right on that comrade.

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Hey! Why isn’t Snowie asking for Russians to take to the streets?

He knows what happens to ‘dissidents’ in Russia.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 8, 2016 • 11:17:37am

re: #284 Romantic Heretic

(Looks around the room)

The table on which printer, router and modem sit is left over from when I was well enough to work. The TV (never watched these days) is second hand from my sister. The rest of the furniture was bought by my parents when I moved into this apartment. The computer I’m typing this on was a birthday gift six years ago. Technically I bought the desk chair with my own money but that was from a trust fund my father set up for me when he passed away.

So I’d say this meme is a huge steaming pile of horseshit.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 8, 2016 • 11:21:07am

Welp, I’m going to scour twitter today.

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MsJ  Apr 8, 2016 • 11:21:24am

re: #282 Dr. Matt

The Trump ‘cult’ is causing GOP mega-donors to abandon the presidential

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Please proceed.

I actually think that’s worse. They’ll do everything to keep/turn the entirety of Congress republican.

Man, we’re so fucked.

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MsJ  Apr 8, 2016 • 11:24:21am

re: #287 Stanley Sea

Welp, I’m going to scour twitter today.

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I’m feeling left out. I don’t have a Twitter crush. I must be #DoingItWrong.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 8, 2016 • 11:30:49am

This iTunes Trick Will Automagically Free Up iPhone Storage

From reddit: Not sure if this is well-known, might be but definitely some people don’t know it.

I have an iPhone with 16 Gb so I’m always dealing with low storage. A trick I do to get back some storage is to try to “rent” a movie with a big file size (something like LOTR: two towers).

Just go to iTunes and search for the movie (with a bigger file size than what you have left on storage), click rent and soon you’ll get the message saying you don’t have enough storage and offers you to go to settings. Click that and magically you will get some storage back (probably it erases some useless data from different apps to try to download the movie).

Repeat the process 4-5 times and before you know it you recovered 1 to almost 2 Gb.
try it!.

This actually works. I went from 1.1 GB to 2.6 GB. With 1.1 GB I tried renting The Martian, which is over 5 GB. I repeated it over and over and eventually cleared up 1.5 GB.

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calochortus  Apr 8, 2016 • 11:32:12am

re: #248 Charles Johnson

Ugh. This blatantly fake “noise machine” story is now posted at Daily Kos, the Daily Mail, Daily Caller, Mediaite, and more, and not a single source expresses even a hint of skepticism about it.

Even if it is true, so what?

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calochortus  Apr 8, 2016 • 11:33:52am

re: #258 BeachDem

WTF

Last night, Smith25’s Liberal Thighs posted this.

littlegreenfootballs.com

Now today, this out of Modesto.

[Embedded content]

rawstory.com

Something is very wrong in our country.

On the other hand, I suspect this has been happening approximately forever. It now makes the news and often has consequences, so that is some progress.

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Kragar  Apr 8, 2016 • 11:36:18am
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Lidane  Apr 8, 2016 • 11:36:22am

Facebook Post

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2016 • 11:46:26am

re: #288 MsJ

I actually think that’s worse. They’ll do everything to keep/turn the entirety of Congress republican.

Man, we’re so fucked.

Maybe, but people turn out for presidential elections. Who’s going to turn out to not vote for Trump but vote down ticket?

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 8, 2016 • 11:50:16am

GANGS OF NEW YORK

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MsJ  Apr 8, 2016 • 11:55:43am

re: #295 Belafon

Maybe, but people turn out for presidential elections. Who’s going to turn out to not vote for Trump but vote down ticket?

I’m hoping you’re right. Really, truly hoping.

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Great White Snark  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:00:16pm

Laura Bush hints she’d rather see Hillary as president

Mrs Bush, who recently published a book on Afghan women in conjunction with her husband’s George W Bush Institute, was careful not to endorse or condemn any one candidate.

But she signalled she was among the growing band of establishment Republicans whose anyone-but-Trump stance extended to voting for Mrs Clinton in the general election.

Um effed up headline. Anybody but Trump is not a pitch for Hilary Clinton.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:00:52pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:01:56pm

re: #287 Stanley Sea

Welp, I’m going to scour twitter today.

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CleverToad  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:03:39pm

re: #295 Belafon

Maybe, but people turn out for presidential elections. Who’s going to turn out to not vote for Trump but vote down ticket?

The reliable Republican voting bloc may not want to pull the lever for Trump but they’ll still be motivated to get their people into Congress to block a Democratic president. Republican money poured into the down tickets is not a good thing.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:07:39pm

re: #301 CleverToad

The reliable Republican voting bloc may not want to pull the lever for Trump but they’ll still be motivated to get their people into Congress to block a Democratic president. Republican money poured into the down tickets is not a good thing.

No, it isn’t. It would be better wasted on a presidential candidate. At the same time, more people will be reluctant to go vote if they can’t vote for president. That’s kind of the lesson of the midterms. This will hurt down ticket races for them. They may be able to make up some of it, but I doubt they’ll make up all of it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:08:44pm
304
goddamnedfrank  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:18:57pm
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Kragar  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:20:24pm

re: #304 goddamnedfrank

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blueraven  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:21:32pm

re: #298 Great White Snark

Laura Bush hints she’d rather see Hillary as president

Um effed up headline. Anybody but Trump is not a pitch for Hilary Clinton.

Headline not really so effed up, as the article continues…

“I want our next president - whoever he or she might be - to be somebody who is interested in women in Afghanistan and who will continue US policies… that we continue to do what we’re committed to do as a country,” she said, as she appeared on stage alongside her twin daughters Jenna and Barbara.

…

Many in the packed auditorium took her words as a coded criticism of Mr Trump, whose foreign policy plans have been condemned as isolationist and weak on detail.
His closest rival Ted Cruz has also made clear that the US has no role in Afghanistan other than fighting terrorism.

In contrast, Mrs Clinton was among those who offered a cover endorsement for Mrs Bush’s Afghan book. “For over a decade, Laura Bush has been an ally and advocate for the women of Afghanistan and, in particular, has worked to ensure that the voices of Afghan women are heard,” she wrote.

The two women share a special bond as former first ladies and are of a similar age: both know the struggles of working their way up in a male-dominated world.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:22:22pm

re: #305 Kragar

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EPR-radar  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:23:28pm

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

Snyder and his lawyers need to be fucked with rusty chainsaws for daring to argue statute of limitations when their own cover up of their crimes is the primary factor responsible for the delay in seeking legal remedies.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:23:56pm
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Great White Snark  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:24:02pm

re: #306 blueraven

And Bernie Sanders would look at women in Afghanistan like Trump would? Or more like Hilary?
Headline=Facts not in evidence

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Testy Toad T  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:24:32pm

Ugh, I actually got some WORK done on a Friday afternoon.

Save me, internet. You’re my only hope.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:26:25pm

re: #295 Belafon

Maybe, but people turn out for presidential elections. Who’s going to turn out to not vote for Trump but vote down ticket?

Lots of people!

But a lot less than would have turned out to vote for Gene Eric and then also voted downticket.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:29:01pm

re: #312 Testy Toad T

Lots of people!

But a lot less than would have turned out to vote for Gene Eric and then also voted downticket.

That’s what I meant to imply, and did a little better job in 302, but your’s works even better.

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makeitstop  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:32:31pm

re: #310 Great White Snark

And Bernie Sanders would look at women in Afghanistan like Trump would? Or more like Hilary?
Headline=Facts not in evidence

To me, I don’t even think it’s about Bernie at all. Looks more like a comparison between Hillary being on the record about women in Afghanistan vs. Trump being vague and Cruz being dismissive of the issue because it doesn’t include carpet bombing.

Not everything is about Bernie, after all.

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calochortus  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:34:00pm

re: #314 makeitstop

Not everything is about Bernie, after all.

Heresy!

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b.d.  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:35:46pm

re: #314 makeitstop

Not everything is about Bernie, after all.

If it wasn’t then why would Pope Francis ask Bernie over for guidance!?!

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Kragar  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:35:58pm

ROAD TRIP!

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Lidane  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:39:30pm

SHUT UP AND SING U COMMIE! //////

A Statement from Bruce Springsteen on North Carolina

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Testy Toad T  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:39:34pm

This is not surprising to me in retrospect, but it is interesting. I wonder if there will be lasting repercussions even after the half-assed walk-back.

Thinking They’re ‘Unqualified’ Is A Big Reason More Women Don’t Run For Office

[snipped sections of article]

In his Philadelphia remarks, Sanders was attempting to make the basic argument of this election — that “outsiders” are more qualified than “insiders” to run the country at this particular moment. But calling Clinton, a former U.S. senator and secretary of state, “unqualified” is raising ire as a gendered attack, although that didn’t appear to be Sanders’ intention.

While 2016 campaign discussions of sexism have largely been preoccupied with Donald Trump’s blunt force assaults on modern notions of manners, let alone gender equity, Sanders’ remarks and their interpretation play into discussions of the subtle, pernicious forms of sexism that women in positions of power must deal with.

Looking at non-incumbent congressional races from 1984 to 2010, and which candidates had held elected office at a lower level — their metric for qualification — the researchers found that “women candidates in both parties are indeed more qualified than men.”

That’s why Sanders’ statement about Clinton’s qualifications cuts so deep — it seemed to send a volley at the fortress of qualification female candidates build up as proof of their worthiness to the public at large.

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b.d.  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:41:13pm

re: #317 Kragar

[Embedded content]

ROAD TRIP!

Those Bundy’s sure are a demanding bunch, aren’t they?

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blueraven  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:41:40pm

re: #310 Great White Snark

And Bernie Sanders would look at women in Afghanistan like Trump would? Or more like Hilary?
Headline=Facts not in evidence

Sanders is rather non committal on foreign issues. He prefers to spend resources here.
I have seen no evidence that he would put forth the effort to continue progress for Afghan women. If you could link to something, I would certainly love to see it.

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gwangung  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:41:43pm

re: #317 Kragar

[Embedded content]

ROAD TRIP!

Be careful of what you ask for…

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calochortus  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:43:10pm

re: #320 b.d.

Those Bundy’s sure are a demanding bunch, aren’t they?

If Reid is busy, I’d be happy to go tell her they’re domestic terrorists instead.

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Great White Snark  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:45:41pm

re: #314 makeitstop

re: #306 blueraven

Hmm. Well maybe given a quite possible contested convention is a great time for fewer assumptions about what “anybody but Trump” really turns out to mean. Especially from a former first lady.

Can ya tell me that was not a clickbait headline with a straight face? It would be really interesting if Trump wins the primary and her name goes on this list of prominent republicans that are saying “don’t vote for Trump”. Would that mean “vote HRC” or “stay home”?

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makeitstop  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:47:31pm

re: #314 makeitstop

To me, I don’t even think it’s about Bernie at all. Looks more like a comparison between Hillary being on the record about women in Afghanistan vs. Trump being vague and Cruz being dismissive of the issue because it doesn’t include carpet bombing.

Not everything is about Bernie, after all.

In addition, Mrs. Bush may just see the writing on the wall and realizes that Hillary id going to be the Dem nominee.

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b.d.  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:48:10pm

re: #311 Testy Toad T

Ugh, I actually got some WORK done on a Friday afternoon.

Save me, internet. You’re my only hope.

The internets are pretty stupid today.

The biggest thing going on, as far as I can tell, is a battle whether a Pope who had a meeting with Kim Davis begged for a meeting with Bernie Sanders or not.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:49:16pm

re: #319 Testy Toad T

If what makes a candidate more qualified is time spent in office, that ignores the increased difficulty women have in getting elected to office in the first place.

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blueraven  Apr 8, 2016 • 12:50:49pm

re: #324 Great White Snark

Hmm. Well maybe given a quite possible contested convention is a great time for fewer assumptions about what “anybody but Trump” really turns out to mean. Especially from a former first lady.

Can ya tell me that was not a clickbait headline with a straight face? It would be really interesting if Trump wins the primary and her name goes on this list of prominent republicans that are saying “don’t vote for Trump”. Would that mean “vote HRC” or “stay home”?

I don’t think the headline was clickbait, no. Typing that with a straight face.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2016 • 1:02:22pm

re: #324 Great White Snark

Hmm. Well maybe given a quite possible contested convention is a great time for fewer assumptions about what “anybody but Trump” really turns out to mean. Especially from a former first lady.

Can ya tell me that was not a clickbait headline with a straight face? It would be really interesting if Trump wins the primary and her name goes on this list of prominent republicans that are saying “don’t vote for Trump”. Would that mean “vote HRC” or “stay home”?

I think the fact that Bush said “whoever he or she is” meant she had Clinton in mind, and was enough for the writer. But I wouldn’t take “hint” as any kind of fact.

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Ming5000  Apr 8, 2016 • 1:03:07pm

re: #251 b.d.

Time to scrape Krugman off of the pavement and throw him under the bus again.

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What do you mean? Was Krugman recently denounced by Bernians?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 8, 2016 • 5:39:39pm

re: #169 Shimshon

Guess it’s time again to bring back David Harvey….

RSA Animate: David Harvey - Crises of Capitalism


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