The Bob & Chez Show: “Where’s the Plane?”

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Tonight’s program on our podcasting affiliate, The Bob & Chez Show:

Bob Something: Ted Cruz Once Argued Against the Sale of Dildos; Bernie Surrogate Complains About ‘Democratic Whores’; The Young Turks Strike Back Against Chez; We Don’t Candy Coat Anything; Bernie Correctly Says Voter ID is Like Jim Crow; Donald Trump and Joe Paterno; and more.

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253 comments
1
Kragar  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:19:41pm

Why are you making me think of Cruz and dildos?

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gocart mozart  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:20:03pm

Just got back from the Trump rally in Hartford. No I didn’t go inside. I was a “legal observer” whatever that means. There were no fights or arrests.

Things I learned today:
1. “Hillary Sucks but not as good as Monica” T-Shirts are very popular.
2. Best sign was “Trump Likes Coldplay”; best banner was “Your grandpa fought fascists, don’t elect one”
3. Trying to sell Trump merchandise to BLM protesters is not a good business model.
4. Did you know that JFK’s “assassination was was ordered by Rome, then planned and carried out by Jesuits, just as President Lincoln’s was”? :actual quote from actual flyer some guy handed me.

Did anything happen inside the convention center?

Youtube Video

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gocart mozart  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:21:38pm

This is good journalism.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:22:18pm

re: #2 gocart mozart

Just got back from the Trump rally in Hartford. No I didn’t go inside. I was a “legal observer” whatever that means. There were no fights or arrests.

Things I learned today:
1. “Hillary Sucks but not as good as Monica” T-Shirts are very popular.
2. Best sign was “Trump Likes Coldplay”; best banner was “Your grandpa fought fascists, don’t elect one”
3. Trying to sell Trump merchandise to BLM protesters is not a good business model.
4. Did you know that JFK’s “assassination was was ordered by Rome, then planned and carried out by Jesuits, just as President Lincoln’s was”? :actual quote from actual flyer some guy handed me.

Did anything happen inside the convention center?

Good on you.

I haven’t heard a thing, but here’s the you tube

Full Event: Donald Trump Holds MASSIVE Rally in Hartford, CT (4-15-16)

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BeachDem  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:22:52pm

Now everybody’s over here, so I repeat:

OK—this is rich, Bernie’s flying back from a family sojourn to Rome where he gave a “very important” ten-minute rant version of his stump speech and his campaign email is bitching about the George Clooney fund-raiser, claiming that Hillary is using the money for her own campaign and asking:

Help Bernie raise $353,000 before midnight.

Let us remember that HIS campaign paid for the little Roman holiday (plus what WE paid for SS) or…

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Kragar  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:24:53pm

And now for something completely different…

Sturgill Simpson - “In Bloom”

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makeitstop  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:33:32pm

re: #6 Kragar

And now for something completely different…

[Embedded content]

That’s probably the weirdest cover I’ve heard all year.

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stpaulbear  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:33:39pm

I’m going to toot my own (almost 40 year old) horn here. The Minnesota Music History Channel posted a couple of videos by the band I was in back in the late 70’s. I’m the drummer. It definitely has that late 70’s vibe going. I was still trying to hang on to my mid-70’s haircut, and this video is from the approximately one week where I didn’t have facial hair. I look so weird…

Fine Art First Ave - 2 - Mirror

(edit: removed one of the videos because they both played the same song. reposted below)

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:34:40pm

Call me naively optimistic, but I see no negatives here.

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stpaulbear  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:35:51pm

If you scroll down the playlist a bit, you come to a video of Run, Run, Run by the Gestures, which IMHO may be the best 45 ever to come out of the Twin Cities.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:36:55pm
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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:37:53pm

re: #4 Stanley Sea

Your grandpa fought fascists, don’t elect one.

That’s magic.

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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:41:27pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

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stpaulbear  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:43:20pm

Here’s the other video

(edit: I can’t get the damned right song to post. Please excuse the technical difficulties)

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:43:40pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

Corey Lewandowski: “Sen. Cruz has become the flavor du jour of the weekly day of the monthly hourly minute weekly NBC Mystery, McCloud!”

“Ladies…”
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Dave In Austin  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:43:55pm

I guess this will be the last time Rick Tyler will be on Bill Mahar….

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Stanley Sea  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:44:42pm

re: #14 stpaulbear

I’m seeing the same vid?

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BeachDem  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:46:52pm

The kosberners are in an absolute frenzy about this Clooney/Hillary thing—oh, and to any of my fellow Hillary supporters—we are hateful people who don’t care one whit about anything of importance. Mkay.

The most histrionic commenter:

You Hillary trolls are hateful people. You don’t care one whit about any of the issues that are facing this country. You don’t care that there are children starving in this country. You don’t seem to car that Veterans who’ve served in USELESS wars can’t get the healthcare they need. You don’t care that th elderly are forced to get by on less and less because Americans have to pay exorbitant amounts of money for their medication. We’re about to have another “hottest summer on record”…does that matter to you?

Do ANY of you Hillary supporters give FUCK about these things?
(and this lovely sentiment got 25 recs)

The best response:

We are hateful aren’t we? I’d love to continue this discussion, but these kittens won’t kick themselves.

I say again, the kosberners have lost their minds.

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stpaulbear  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:48:13pm

If this one doesn’t work then fuck it. This is the song I like better.

(edit: fuck it. everytime I post the song, the other one plays. You can hear the other song ‘Mirror’ if you go to the site. fuck it)

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gocart mozart  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:48:35pm
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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:52:23pm

Had a wacky dream the other night. Me and John Prine were hanging out and making prank phone calls. Then we ate steaks at Benny’s Chop House and Steve Goodman ran into the room and saved us from becoming pod people. You had to be there, or maybe you were?

John Prine - The Sins of Memphisto

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gocart mozart  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:52:42pm
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Sophist, Premature Anti-Trumpist  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:53:20pm

First the anti-masturbation thing, and now this? Yeah, Ted’s alleged affairs have got to be the tip of the iceberg here. Anyone this sanctimonious about sex is compensating for something big.

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stpaulbear  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:54:28pm

re: #17 Stanley Sea

I’m seeing the same vid?

Every time I posted the video for ‘Mirror’, the song ‘Anything But That’ (the song in my original comment) would play for me instead. Same for you?

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retired cynic  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:58:00pm

re: #24 stpaulbear

Yep.

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gocart mozart  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:59:08pm

re: #12 De Kolta Chair

Sadly I didn’t get a picture of it because it was on the side of the highway exit ramp.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 15, 2016 • 8:59:56pm

April 15th has had a lot of sucky things happen through history.

This one is just amusing.

“That person was a FedEx employee from Memphis, who, it is believed, fell asleep on the plane before it departed. Air Traffic Control was notified of the incident by the flight crew, and dispatchers at Lubbock Preston Smith International Airport were notified at 5:17 a.m. The flight landed in Lubbock at 5:30 a.m.,” the airport said in a statement.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:00:37pm

re: #20 gocart mozart

That was goooood.

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BeachDem  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:01:04pm

I am truly fascinated at how much the Berner people are starting to resemble the more unhinged RWNJs with comments like:

I guess I am boycotting Clooney films for a while. How much does a movie cost these days? $10.00, or $11.00? Say $10.00 for ease of division. That’s 30,000 Clooney films I won’t be seeing. Clearly he has too much money.

George fucking Clooney, about the most generous, involved person on the planet.

George Clooney has supported the following charities:

21st Century Leaders
American Foundation for AIDS Research
Ante Up For Africa
Barbara Davis Center for Childhood Diabetes
CARE
Casey Lee Ball Foundation
Cinema For Peace
Clothes Off Our Back
ENOUGH Project
Feeding America
International Rescue Committee
Make Poverty History
Not On Our Watch
ONE Campaign
Oxfam
Partners in Health
Realizing the Dream
Red Cross
Rock For Darfur
Satellite Sentinel Project
Save the Children
UNICEF
United Way
Whatever It Takes
World Food Programme

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:01:40pm

re: #14 stpaulbear

Here’s the other video

Aaahh ‘luudes. So many great memories that I totally don’t recall.

“Nice bunch.” ;-[)

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stpaulbear  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:01:59pm

Closed out of YouTube and signed back in. One more frickin’ try:

(Edit: Fuck! It won’t post the correct video.This is harshing my horn-tooting. I refreshed all my old comments and I give up.)

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:03:11pm

re: #29 BeachDem

They are getting increasingly ridiculous, even though I agree with Sanders more in regards to Israel/Palestine than I do Clinton.

I would vote for Clooney in a New York minute if he ran for anything. In fact, I think needs to be persuaded into running.

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gocart mozart  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:03:31pm

re: #23 Sophist, Premature Anti-Trumpist

I think the affairs are Roger Stone ratfucking (I find it hard to believe that there are five living creatures on this planet who were willing to intercourse with Ted) but the D.C. Madam allegation I think are true because she specialized in weird kinky stuff and I think Ted is the type of guy who would pay for something like that.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:05:03pm

re: #29 BeachDem

I am truly fascinated at how much the Berner people are starting to resemble the more unhinged RWNJs with comments like:

George fucking Clooney, about the most generous, involved person on the planet.

George Clooney has supported the following charities:

21st Century Leaders
American Foundation for AIDS Research
Ante Up For Africa
Barbara Davis Center for Childhood Diabetes
CARE
Casey Lee Ball Foundation
Cinema For Peace
Clothes Off Our Back
ENOUGH Project
Feeding America
International Rescue Committee
Make Poverty History
Not On Our Watch
ONE Campaign
Oxfam
Partners in Health
Realizing the Dream
Red Cross
Rock For Darfur
Satellite Sentinel Project
Save the Children
UNICEF
United Way
Whatever It Takes
World Food Programme

They are Dims, not Dems.

I am going to be using this one.

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:05:25pm

re: #26 gocart mozart

Sadly I didn’t get a picture of it because it was on the side of the highway exit ramp.

Been there, amigo.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:06:59pm

re: #33 gocart mozart

How do we know that Ted Cruz is not an Auton?

I watched Spearhead from Space earlier, and Cruz looks uncomfortably Plasticine.

The main villain was dead ringer to Erdogan in Turkey.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:07:19pm
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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:07:57pm

re: #34 Stanley Sea

They are Dims, not Dems.

I am going to be using this one.

Just wait ‘til they go after Sally Field because she supports Clinton. I don’t care who someone supports, but nobody — NOBODY — fucks with Gidget.

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stpaulbear  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:08:22pm

re: #30 De Kolta Chair

Aaahh ‘luudes. So many great memories that I totally don’t recall.

“Nice bunch.” ;-[)

For us it was alcohol. I was pretty drunk by the time we got onstage that night.

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retired cynic  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:08:42pm

re: #31 stpaulbear

Nope, still Anything But That. I like it, but it sure seems to be sticky! <G>

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allegro  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:10:15pm

Evening of funny weirdness. My friend and I did our regular Friday-out-to-dinner thing this week at a nearby Chinese restaurant. One look at the menu in Chinese with English afterthought told me this place was authentic. One section of the menu had specialties that included chicken feet, duck tongue, deer tendon, aaaaand shrimp balls. Led to a strange conversation about shrimp testicles, tweezers, and preparation methods. Deep fried or poached?

Got back to my place where we sat out on the patio enjoying the beautiful evening over toddies and a smoke (my one cigarette a week). There was a sudden THUD-roll-roll-roll on the awning over our heads then a whump of blackbird on the patio. Two entangled blackbirds actually. Birdie coitus took a real wrong turn there. They flew off in a panic into the oak tree. Couple of minutes later THUD, into the azalea. One seeming big bird down, two disentangled birds flew back into the tree. Few minutes later, THUD. Back on the ground. They finally completed the act, rather badly, in the middle of the street. We didn’t know whether to applaud their success or pity any future offspring that may result.

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stpaulbear  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:10:38pm

re: #38 De Kolta Chair

..or the Flying Nun!

re: #37 Charles Johnson

..or Roger Murdock!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:10:57pm

re: #38 De Kolta Chair

Just wait ‘til they go after Sally Field because she supports Clinton. I don’t care who someone supports, but nobody — NOBODY — fucks with Gidget.

Or Spider-Man’s mom

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:12:35pm

re: #41 allegro

Evening of funny weirdness. My friend and I did our regular Friday-out-to-dinner thing this week at a nearby Chinese restaurant. One look at the menu in Chinese with English afterthought told me this place was authentic. One section of the menu had specialties that included chicken feet, duck tongue, deer tendon, aaaaand shrimp balls. Led to a strange conversation about shrimp testicles, tweezers, and preparation methods. Deep fried or poached?

Got back to my place where we sat out on the patio enjoying the beautiful evening over toddies and a smoke (my one cigarette a week). There was a sudden THUD-roll-roll-roll on the awning over our heads then a whump of blackbird on the patio. Two entangled blackbirds actually. Birdie coitus took a real wrong turn there. They flew off in a panic into the oak tree. Couple of minutes later THUD, into the azalea. One seeming big bird down, two disentangled birds flew back into the tree. Few minutes later, THUD. Back on the ground. They finally completed the act, rather badly, in the middle of the street. We didn’t know whether to applaud their success or pity any future offspring that may result.

Kids will probably have balance issues growing up, rough landings, too.
/

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Stanley Sea  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:12:48pm

re: #41 allegro

hahahahahaha

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:13:35pm

re: #43 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Or Spider-Man’s mom

Not on my watch, no siree!

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Sophist, Premature Anti-Trumpist  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:17:15pm

re: #33 gocart mozart

I think the affairs are Roger Stone ratfucking…

I think that just enough of it is true that Ted can’t issue a flat out denial.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:18:06pm

re: #41 allegro

I didn’t see anything quite like that today. Closest was a bunch of barn swallows mixing it up and chasing each other around today. Four of them get tangled together and the whole pile of them splashed down in the pond.

Apparently swallows do have the capability to take off again while in water.

Watched this from a boardwalk that spans the pond at the NWR I was hiking in. The guy I was talking to at the time got pictures of it with his camera as well. (Nikon 610(?) with about 2’ of lens on it.)

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:18:16pm

Pretty in Pink is on the tube. I’ve never seen it before. I’ve heard over the years that it was good.

It sucks. People actually liked this?

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Stanley Sea  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:20:38pm

re: #49 De Kolta Chair

Pretty in Pink is on the tube. I’ve never seen it before. I’ve heard over the years that it was good.

It sucks. People actually liked this?

It was teenage angst in the 80’s.

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Sophist, Premature Anti-Trumpist  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:20:45pm

re: #41 allegro

Hey, it’s hard to do page 73 of the Kama Sutra when you’re a bird. Just be grateful you have thumbs.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:21:47pm

re: #6 Kragar

Sturgill! Just today a coworker (who is also a singer/songwriter) recommended I check him out.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:24:54pm

The birds were pretty calm in my neck of the woods. I didn’t see any drunk blackbird sex… There is a Canada Goose hanging out in the drain channel behind my work building (about 20 x 200 meters, maybe 1.5m deep when full). He/she (I feel that it’s a she) is lately taking serene floating swims, just giving an occasional kick and happily gliding like an umber-colored boat, complete with wake. There are also grass carp tumbling in the greenery at the water’s edge and a couple of dozen turtles, including some young ones about 4” long who are absurdly cute when they swim.

It’s nice back there. The planet is pretty great when people leave it the fuck alone.

re: #37 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

“choice between Hell and reason”

Ohhhh my that is a great quote. One for the ages, that is. Saved for later use.

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gocart mozart  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:25:06pm
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BeachDem  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:28:07pm

re: #50 Stanley Sea

It was teenage angst in the 80’s.

I was well past being a teenager in the 80s, but I always felt the angst of John Hughes movies.

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William Lewis  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:36:27pm

re: #49 De Kolta Chair

Pretty in Pink is on the tube. I’ve never seen it before. I’ve heard over the years that it was good.

It sucks. People actually liked this?

Helps to have had a major crush on Molly Ringwald :) Still my favorite of that generation. But yeah, that one was not as good as 16 Candles or Breakfast Club.

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:37:09pm

re: #50 Stanley Sea

It was teenage angst in the 80’s.

I guess so, cuz I ain’t feeling it. Or maybe I’m this guy…

but I’m actually…

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Stanley Sea  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:37:37pm

The Breakfast Club was everything.

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:41:28pm

re: #58 Stanley Sea

The Breakfast Club was everything.

Ally Sheedy in The Breakfast Club is everything. What a dreamboat. ;-)

What the hell is a dreamboat anyway? A boat of dreams? How is the cargo ladened? Anyway, whatever, Ally Sheedy is a boat… of dreams… Drat, that still makes no sense!

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Stanley Sea  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:48:25pm

re: #59 De Kolta Chair

Ally Sheedy in The Breakfast Club is everything. What a dreamboat. ;-)

What the hell is a dreamboat anyway? A boat of dreams? How is the cargo ladened? Anyway, whatever, Ally Sheedy is a boat… of dreams… Drat, that still makes no sense!

One of my favorite lyrics is from Elvis Costello, Everyday I Write the Book:

When your dreamboat, turns out to be a footnote.

And with that, I’m out! Night all.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 15, 2016 • 9:57:15pm

Ballet, anyone?

Top Secret! The ballet.

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 10:03:08pm

re: #61 Stanley Sea

One of my favorite lyrics is from Elvis Costello, Everyday I Write the Book:

When your dreamboat, turns out to be a footnote.

And with that, I’m out! Night all.

Speaking of Elvis, I heartily recommend his recent memoir. The dude knows his musicology. I’m out too. Sweet dreams liz’ds.

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 10:04:57pm

re: #62 GlutenFreeJesus

Ballet, anyone?

Beats me why that wasn’t a hit. A very funny movie. The cow gag “creams” me every time.

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BeenHereAwhile  Apr 15, 2016 • 10:07:51pm

re: #21 De Kolta Chair

Had a wacky dream the other night. Me and John Prine were hanging out and making prank phone calls. Then we ate steaks at Benny’s Chop House and Steve Goodman ran into the room and saved us from becoming pod people. You had to be there, or maybe you were?

[Embedded content]

…And the sons of Pullman Porters, and the sons of Engineers.
Ride their father’s magic carpets made of steel.
And, mothers with their babes asleep rocking to the gentle beat.
And the rhythm of the rails is all they feel.

SG

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2016 • 10:08:54pm
May your dreams be like butterflies

G’night folks. Stay scaly!

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 15, 2016 • 10:21:32pm

re: #65 BeenHereAwhile

…And the sons of Pullman Porters, and the sons of Engineers.
Ride their father’s magic carpets made of steel.
And, mothers with their babes asleep rocking to the gentle beat.
And the rhythm of the rails is all they feel.

SG

Steve Goodman was a national and natural treasure.

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TedStriker  Apr 15, 2016 • 10:46:58pm

re: #67 De Kolta Chair

Steve Goodman was a national and natural treasure.

Speaking of Goodman and Prine:

David Allen Coe You Never Even Called Me by My Name

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BeenHereAwhile  Apr 15, 2016 • 10:56:36pm

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BeenHereAwhile  Apr 15, 2016 • 10:59:11pm

Photo taken on Nashville Music Row 16th Ave, AKA Music Row East:

Yellow Tactile Tile (tm) (ya know, warn blind folk they’re about to step out onto a busy street) with rocks piled on to weigh down while adhesive is curing.

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BeenHereAwhile  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:03:14pm

This is strange.

LGF is uploading an image which is not in my LGF image library.

And not the one in my LGF image library which I want to insert.

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TedStriker  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:03:57pm

re: #69 BeenHereAwhile

re: #70 BeenHereAwhile

re: #71 BeenHereAwhile

Having issues with dupes?

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BeenHereAwhile  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:12:53pm

re: #72 TedStriker

Having issues with dupes?

Working with a hand held.

See comments in edited # 71.

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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2016 • 11:46:28pm
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BeenHereAwhile  Apr 16, 2016 • 12:19:42am

4th edit:

Photo taken on Nashville Music Row 16th Ave, AKA Music Row East:

Yellow Tactile Tile (tm) (ya know, warn blind folk they’re about to step out onto a busy street) with tactile rocks piled on to weigh tile down while adhesive is curing.

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dell*nix  Apr 16, 2016 • 12:43:21am

Reminds me of the gop for some reason tonight.

The Crüxshadows - Dark Matter

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 16, 2016 • 1:17:20am

Alrighty….tonight, I’m gonna go see Já, Olga Hepnarová. It looks like a damned good film about the titular character, an infamous mass murderer and the last woman hanged in Czechoslovakia.

This is the Wiki entry on her: en.wikipedia.org

Here’s the trailer (with English subtitles), and it’s NSFW due to some brief nudity, so it’s in a spoiler tag.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 16, 2016 • 2:17:59am

re: #56 William Lewis

Helps to have had a major crush on Molly Ringwald :) Still my favorite of that generation. But yeah, that one was not as good as 16 Candles or Breakfast Club.

Wait a minute…you mean Pretty in Pink and 16 Candles were two different movies? I gotta check that out next time they come around.

re: #59 De Kolta Chair

Ally Sheedy in The Breakfast Club is everything. What a dreamboat. ;-)

She was cute, all right, but it took me ten years of seeing her name to convince myself it wasn’t a persistent misprint for “Sheehy”.

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William Lewis  Apr 16, 2016 • 2:18:50am

re: #77 Dr Lizardo

Alrighty….tonight, I’m gonna go see Já, Olga Hepnarová. It looks like a damned good film about the titular character, an infamous mass murderer and the last woman hanged in Czechoslovakia.

This is the Wiki entry on her: en.wikipedia.org

Here’s the trailer (with English subtitles), and it’s NSFW due to some brief nudity, so it’s in a spoiler tag.

[Embedded content]

Looks interesting. Review it afterwards, please.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 16, 2016 • 2:19:12am

re: #79 William Lewis

Looks interesting. Review it afterwards, please.

Okeydoke.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Apr 16, 2016 • 3:20:46am

Apropos of nowt.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 16, 2016 • 3:32:34am

re: #81 Grunthos the Flatulent

Apropos of nowt.

[Embedded content]

Welcome to the club. I love mine. Been playing around with the 50mm old school prime lens I bought. Chinese-made and really quite sharp.

One of my students

Nikon D3300 Vimica 50mm f/1.4 prime lens. I didn’t note the aperture and shutter speed. Since it’s a manual lens, the camera doesn’t record all that in EXIF. Nevermind. 1/800 s and probably f/11 or f/16 at ISO800.

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lawhawk  Apr 16, 2016 • 4:14:20am

re: #22 gocart mozart

They said there’d be NO math! /mesmerized

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lawhawk  Apr 16, 2016 • 4:22:36am

Bernie goes to the Vatican just days before the NY primary, and somehow manages to get a 5 minute audience with the Pope.

Yeah, how’s that going to work out for him when he’s down 10-18 points in NY, and he needs to win by 18+ to even have a chance at the nomination? For those doing the math, he’d need to swing the polls at least 28 points in now 3 days, but he’s over in the Vatican?

That’s some weird campaign strategy alright.

And let’s not even address the costs for this jaunt across the Pond.

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lawhawk  Apr 16, 2016 • 4:35:36am
Rick for President

He’s got as good a platform as Bernie and he’d never let us down. That works for me.

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MsJ  Apr 16, 2016 • 4:56:08am

re: #84 lawhawk

Bernie goes to the Vatican just days before the NY primary, and somehow manages to get a 5 minute audience with the Pope.

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Yeah, how’s that going to work out for him when he’s down 10-18 points in NY, and he needs to win by 18+ to even have a chance at the nomination? For those doing the math, he’d need to swing the polls at least 28 points in now 3 days, but he’s over in the Vatican?

That’s some weird campaign strategy alright.

And let’s not even address the costs for this jaunt across the Pond.

He asked the Pope to have a word with the big guy.

Problem solved.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 16, 2016 • 4:58:19am

re: #86 MsJ

He asked the Pope to have a word with the big guy.

Problem solved.

Chris Christie?

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SoundGuy 2016  Apr 16, 2016 • 4:59:06am

All the terrible things Hillary Clinton has done — in one big list

That’s it. I’m not voting for her. My limit is officially 42 Evil Things.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 16, 2016 • 5:03:11am

re: #88 SoundGuy 2016

All the terrible things Hillary Clinton has done — in one big list

That’s it. I’m not voting for her. My limit is officially 42 Evil Things.

Don’t let Deep Thought fool you. “42” is not the answer.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 16, 2016 • 5:06:01am

re: #49 De Kolta Chair

Pretty in Pink is on the tube. I’ve never seen it before. I’ve heard over the years that it was good.

It sucks. People actually liked this?

I imagine that it only appeals to people who were forced to be teens in the 80’s. I missed that fate by having to be a teenager in the 70’s…

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MsJ  Apr 16, 2016 • 5:10:34am

re: #88 SoundGuy 2016

All the terrible things Hillary Clinton has done — in one big list

That’s it. I’m not voting for her. My limit is officially 42 Evil Things.

Well, this summed it up nicely:

37. Congress spent tens of millions of dollars and six years investigating her investment in the Whitewater real-estate project, and, while they didn’t actually find anything, they wouldn’t have spent all that money if there weren’t something there.

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SoundGuy 2016  Apr 16, 2016 • 5:13:17am

I finally got to see Brokeback Mountain. Over the years would see it on in middle of movie channel surfing and purposely keep flipping, wanting to see the movie in it’s entirety. Glad I did. Ledger was really good too.

I almost ruined The Matrix as we used to use scenes to test or demo home theaters. I probably saw the entire movie twice in out of sequence pieces before I watched the whole thing start to finish. It was still good though.

I’ve watched 5 minutes of Breaking Bad. Saving that for a good binge watch weekend. I hope it doesn’t go like the Sopranos in which I bought the entire series box set and binged over a week. I started feeling icky at the end, the characters were really horrible screwed up people.

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SoundGuy 2016  Apr 16, 2016 • 5:23:57am
12. Unnamed and unverifiable sources have told Peggy Noonan things about the Clintons that are simply too terrible to repeat.

That’s it! I knew she was evil.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 16, 2016 • 5:38:05am

re: #93 SoundGuy 2016

That’s it! I knew she was evil.

These two really cover everything:

10. She once invested in commodities futures on the advice of a friend and made $100,000, proving she’s a crook.

11. She once invested in real estate on the advice of another friend and lost $100,000, also proving she’s a crook.

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SoundGuy 2016  Apr 16, 2016 • 5:40:53am

re: #94 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

So sad!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 16, 2016 • 5:41:25am

Pope shows how it’s done.

Pope leaving Lesbos, Greece, with 12 refugees

MYTILENE, Greece —Pope Francis on Saturday took three refugee families back with him on his plane to Rome following an emotional and provocative visit to the Greek island of Lesbos that seemed designed to prick Europe’s conscience over its treatment of refugees.

The pope boarded his Alitalia jet along with 12 Syrians from three families, all of whom had had their houses bombed and are seeking refuge in Europe, according to a Vatican spokesman. There were six children among them. The spokesman said the families would be cared for at the Vatican.

washingtonpost.com

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 16, 2016 • 5:58:11am

re: #96 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Today I am at Wegman’s and that is what CNN is showing. That story and that Trump person shooting off his mouth again. He truly does not understand the political system.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 16, 2016 • 6:07:27am

re: #81 Grunthos the Flatulent

Apropos of nowt.

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The stuff I have been posting in the past few threads was taken with a Nikon 3200. I will note however that it was using a 55-300 lens rather than the 18-55 I got with the camera. I like both lens, but the 55-300 is the “birding” lens.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 16, 2016 • 6:12:46am

re: #98 Feline Fearless Leader

The stuff I have been posting in the past few threads was taken with a Nikon 3200. I will note however that it was using a 55-300 lens rather than the 18-55 I got with the camera. I like both lens, but the 55-300 is the “birding” lens.

Nikon lens, or another brand? I’ve got a 70-300 Tamron that I like, though it’s rather bulky

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 16, 2016 • 6:21:56am

re: #99 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Nikon lens, or another brand? I’ve got a 70-300 Tamron that I like, though it’s rather bulky

It’s a Nikon lens. About 6-7” long with the lens shade on it. So it’s a little more bulky than the 18-55, but not like some of the 1-2’ rigs I see some people carrying around yesterday that required extra handles or tripods.

I think I have a picture of it in my image library…

Nikon 3200 with 55/300 lens
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PhillyPretzel  Apr 16, 2016 • 6:23:00am

re: #99 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

All I can say is that my late dad loved his Tamron lens with his Nikon. He used it a lot.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 16, 2016 • 6:30:45am

re: #100 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s a Nikon lens. About 6-7” long with the lens shade on it. So it’s a little more bulky than the 18-55, but not like some of the 1-2’ rigs I see some people carrying around yesterday that required extra handles or tripods.

I think I have a picture of it in my image library…

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My Tamron is fatter around the middle than yours, I think, and maybe not as long. But its sunshade makes up for that. I considered the Nikon 55-300, but a guy in a photoshop in Los Angeles recommended the Tamron. It had a $50 rebate, so it was in the end cheaper than the Nikon. I wanted a long lens to take photos of my son graduating Purdue.
re: #101 PhillyPretzel

All I can say is that my late dad loved his Tamron lens with his Nikon. He used it a lot.

I like it. I have the VC version, and it captures really good shots even handheld in low light.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 16, 2016 • 7:13:54am

Here’s Rage Furby’s new headline (with a story this time) for his Betsy Woodruff piece.

Mostly the problem for CCJ is that they’re anti-Trump

He’s targeting the Daily Beast, because it’s against Trump (oh the horror!), but also he attacking Woodruff and other members of his generation. Looking at the photos he’s ripped from social media sites, he’s got Woodruff, Michelle Fields, Dave Weigel and Ben Jacobs all palling around together.

Guess who’s not in those photos?

9cLqTZ1ECRdJCi4OwLv01slFpQItMFJZ3CeMfznC5rYJCIFHvMD4Yu4VJ4f4ErmLSQIDw08JFlqXMTd/+uTaZYFFwcAL2BqmJW8UJQqrSRbkOrvYs21RHPWQNErH+LxNgmVODHVtByLc7/FpnSdwkIP11pUkvj9d9o6oJDFlxHrLPyKTjARh8LZanhYStOoR2b7LIYWV2ySKCXWpL1Dvk59V9DXYV66NXxHYrud7DdIgFmpo0pyKjdY/J2cxw1oe+pOHxqBxwtMvRp4TfDISOTg6aAE04nL2tCJ8BNH5ri/Yu4Z/YCyQnxpTwtg30TT8Q2UpU08udxcjqS53uLSYVi0dmj3qVmkF+zDDJ8B9Aqgo5eqwaRsZFA==

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 16, 2016 • 7:20:09am

re: #103 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Here’s Rage Furby’s new headline (with a story this time) for his Betsy Woodruff piece.

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RF seems to think that being vindictive, abusive, and unyielding in the face of criticism like tRump is the means to wealth, success, etc. Plus he went to the right school, so the offers of riches from conservatives should be overflowing his mailbox already. If it wasn’t for those meddling kool kids keeping him down!

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jaunte  Apr 16, 2016 • 7:22:11am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 16, 2016 • 7:25:58am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 16, 2016 • 7:28:53am

re: #104 Feline Fearless Leader

RF seems to think that being vindictive, abusive, and unyielding in the face of criticism like tRump is the means to wealth, success, etc. Plus he went to the right school, so the offers of riches from conservatives should be overflowing his mailbox already. If it wasn’t for those meddling kool kids keeping him down!

He’s got it fixed in his mind that being nasty to (almost) everyone means he’s “independent” and fearless. But his blind spots are so huge that even people who are close to him politically can see he’s a fraud. He’s never gone after Cruz or Trump, worships Breitbart like a god, and automatically assumes any woman or black person is in the wrong. Heaven forbid anyone should attack Cruz or Trump, because he’ll target them, too.

Kid needs a real job. Too bad he can’t get one.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 16, 2016 • 7:40:15am

Video footage of the 7.3 magnitude quake that hit Japan.
bbc.com

This followed the 6.4 magnitude quake the day before.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 16, 2016 • 7:43:41am

re: #108 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

US Geologic Survey has some good information and they are going to be updating their information soon. usgs.gov

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stpaulbear  Apr 16, 2016 • 8:02:58am

re: #64 De Kolta Chair

Beats me why that wasn’t a hit. A very funny movie. The cow gag “creams” me every time.

I’ve been really surprised that this clip from Top Secret hasn’t shown up more in the last months: The meaning of the name ‘Hillary’.

Top Secret!: I know a little German.

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stpaulbear  Apr 16, 2016 • 8:12:21am

re: #100 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s a Nikon lens. About 6-7” long with the lens shade on it. So it’s a little more bulky than the 18-55, but not like some of the 1-2’ rigs I see some people carrying around yesterday that required extra handles or tripods.

I think I have a picture of it in my image library…

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Sometimes a lens is just a lens..

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darthstar  Apr 16, 2016 • 8:13:57am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 16, 2016 • 8:20:33am

re: #111 stpaulbear

Sometimes a lens is just a lens..

Sometimes a bird is just a bird.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 16, 2016 • 8:23:10am

And sometimes a bed is what the doctor ordered. I’m hitting the sack. See you all later on.

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Dark_Falcon  Apr 16, 2016 • 8:26:54am

re: #103 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Here’s Rage Furby’s new headline (with a story this time) for his Betsy Woodruff piece.

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It’s a vicious cycle: Chuckles behaves viciously. which causes the company he would freelance for or the social media platform he posts on to warn him to behave better. This bruises Chuck’s ego, which makes him behave even more obnoxiously than before, which cause him to be turfed out by said company or platform. This causes Chuckie to get even more angry and butthurt and he uses whatever outlets he can to spew his venom, which makes him ever less employable.

Only UpChuck can end the cycle, but I doubt he will. To do so he have to learn to accept wounds to his ego on a regular basis.

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sagehen  Apr 16, 2016 • 8:28:42am

re: #92 SoundGuy 2016

I’ve watched 5 minutes of Breaking Bad. Saving that for a good binge watch weekend. I hope it doesn’t go like the Sopranos in which I bought the entire series box set and binged over a week. I started feeling icky at the end, the characters were really horrible screwed up people.

Many of the characters are really horrible screwed up people, but the other characters recognize how horrible and screwed up they are. By the end, almost everyone gets what they deserve.

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Alyosha  Apr 16, 2016 • 8:29:44am

re: #112 darthstar

What is this ‘faith in science’?

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Great White Snark  Apr 16, 2016 • 8:31:26am

re: #101 PhillyPretzel

All I can say is that my late dad loved his Tamron lens with his Nikon. He used it a lot.

Short of Canon L series Tamron might be next, certainly up there or sometimes a touch better than canon consumer glass. IMHO. Varies by model your results may vary. :-)

Oh hey what day is it? Oh right and apparently kitty breakfast time too.

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lockjawcanbefun  Apr 16, 2016 • 8:34:48am
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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 16, 2016 • 8:40:57am

re: #68 TedStriker

Speaking of Goodman and Prine:

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Video

The perfect country and western song. I dare you to listen and not sing along.

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Nojay UK  Apr 16, 2016 • 8:41:15am

re: #113 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Sometimes a bird is just a bird.

Sometimes the bird isn’t there.

Bird feet
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Alyosha  Apr 16, 2016 • 8:47:40am

Is it that mathematics, a human construct designed to make sense of the world we inhabit and which underpins science in so many respects, fails to appreciate a certain progressive presidential candidate?
Eh, maybe I’m reading too much into it.

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 16, 2016 • 8:53:36am

re: #54 gocart mozart

One day I want to put this sign on a door.

Unauthorized Personnel Only

Yes, I’m evil.

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wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2016 • 8:54:42am

re: #122 Alyosha

Is it that mathematics, a human construct designed to make sense of the world we inhabit and which underpins science in so many respects, fails to appreciate a certain progressive presidential candidate?
Eh, maybe I’m reading too much into it.

Maybe.

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Alyosha  Apr 16, 2016 • 8:57:04am
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Romantic Heretic  Apr 16, 2016 • 8:58:12am

re: #64 De Kolta Chair

Beats me why that wasn’t a hit. A very funny movie. The cow gag “creams” me every time.

Another one Kilmer was in that should have been a hit but wasn’t.

Real Genius.

I suspect it was too smart for the average American movie goer.

smart people on ice.AVI

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:00:06am

re: #125 Alyosha

This is the type of “election” that he wants. littlegreenfootballs.com

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Alyosha  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:06:00am

re: #127 PhillyPretzel

It certainly seems that way. I was interested to read that the entire presidential bid was an attempt to embarrass the GOP for failing to allow him to be the candidate in NY’s gubernatorial race.
Can we hope that he’ll be satisfied with wrecking their crack at the White House? I keep wondering how far he’s willing to take his bullshit.

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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:07:20am

re: #8 stpaulbear

I’m going to toot my own (almost 40 year old) horn here. The Minnesota Music History Channel posted a couple of videos by the band I was in back in the late 70’s. I’m the drummer. It definitely has that late 70’s vibe going. I was still trying to hang on to my mid-70’s haircut, and this video is from the approximately one week where I didn’t have facial hair. I look so weird…

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Video

(edit: removed one of the videos because they both played the same song. reposted below)

Were you that good a drummer at 3 years old, or was the video from the late 80s, or you’re tooting your 50 year old horn?

I’m cornfused. : )

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:08:04am

re: #128 Alyosha

That is why he is doing it. I do not know how long he will keep it up. Perhaps that is why he is attacking the delegate selection process.

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Danack  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:13:43am

re: #106 GlutenFreeJesus

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Video

Did someone say Lorikeet thread? Because I’m pretty sure someone said Lorikeet thread!

My favourite lori picture:
Flickr

My favourite lorikeet experience in Australia *volume warning*

Lorikeet Feeding Frenzy

My pictures of Lorikeets on Flickr

Lorikeets being happy - youtube playlist

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Alyosha  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:17:56am

re: #130 PhillyPretzel

That’s definitely the reason for his attack on the accumulation of delegates. He’s racking up the wins and is falling down regardless. His view is that though we’re already more than half-done with the primary process and he might not make the threshold even with the popular vote, the party ought to make him the candidate because otherwise the increasingly-likely brokered convention will seem like an act of theft to the base.
The third party run threat pretty much confirms that if he hates anyone more than Clinton, it’s the GOP.

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blueraven  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:20:24am

One of the many reasons I love Baseball.

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Alyosha  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:22:35am

re: #131 Danack

When I moved south from Queensland to Victoria, I missed two things, aurally, at least:
The pounding of tropical rain on our tin roofs and the mad cacophony of screeching lorikeets at dusk.

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Alyosha  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:26:51am
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Alyosha  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:30:20am

‘Not fair!’
Sound familiar?

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:31:12am

re: #136 Alyosha

Too familiar.

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stpaulbear  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:38:44am

Is there anything more annoying on Facebook than a chain-mail post that says that you’re an uncaring person or not a real friend if you don’t like or share their post?

“Share this (spam) if you care about our wounded soldiers and veterans!”

“If you’re a real friend of mine, give me a one word reply and post this on your page so that I can give you a one word reply.”

Man, I just hate those things.

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blueraven  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:41:55am

Such ignorance. And she wants to pass it down to her grandchildren? I can’t even…

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Great White Snark  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:42:04am

re: #136 Alyosha

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wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:42:44am

re: #138 stpaulbear

Is there anything more annoying on Facebook than a chain-mail post that says that you’re an uncaring person or not a real friend if you don’t like or share their post?

“Share this (spam) if you care about our wounded soldiers and veterans!”

“If you’re a real friend of mine, give me a one word reply and post this on your page so that I can give you a one word reply.”

Man, I just hate those things.

Maybe it’s time to do an about-face[book].

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:44:08am

This is pretty brutal. Pope Francis just made it clear that Sanders was waiting for him in the foyer and basically ambushed him to get the meeting he wanted.

cruxnow.com

reuters.com

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Belafon  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:44:19am

re: #126 Romantic Heretic

Real Genius is one of the movies that I show my kids.

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Alyosha  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:45:44am

Can you even imagine a candidate from the Green Party (or, slightly more likely, an Independent) winning the Big Chair in the US?
I’d take one of them over a Republican any single hour of any given week but I’d expect a Democrat to clean up the shit that they leave behind.
Vote Democratic. “We fix your shit and rather than castigate you for it, encourage you to do better next time.”

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stpaulbear  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:45:45am

re: #129 ObserverArt

Were you that good a drummer at 3 years old, or was the video from the late 80s, or you’re tooting your 50 year old horn?

I’m cornfused. : )

2016 - 1978ish = 38ish years ago. I’m 61 now.

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SoundGuy 2016  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:46:22am

I was just wondering why a Jewish politician would go meet the pope.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:47:23am

re: #146 SoundGuy 2016

I honestly cannot think of a reason off the top of my head. Bragging rights maybe?

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Alyosha  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:47:46am

re: #142 goddamnedfrank

The question is: who kissed whose ring?

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Dave In Austin  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:48:39am
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BeachDem  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:48:46am

re: #136 Alyosha

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‘Not fair!’
Sound familiar?

So people who do not have strong enough feelings about/belief in either party’s platform and policies to actually commit to be a member of said party should have as much say in choosing said party’s candidates as those who support and work for said party? And these INDEPENDENT folks should be able to decide at the last minute which party to grace with their oh so important presence?

Yep—seems totally fair and rational.

Oh, and Michael, they’re not “prohibited from voting.” They just need to have made up their damn minds what they support earlier than five minutes before the primary.

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Belafon  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:49:13am

re: #135 Alyosha

FDR was the kind of hawk that would make Democrats today, such as Darth, reject him as a candidate.

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blueraven  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:49:29am

re: #139 blueraven

Such ignorance. And she wants to pass it down to her grandchildren? I can’t even…

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BTW. That Trump surrogate was a last minute replacement for Sarah Palin who suddenly cancelled her appearance.

Sarah Palin will not be appearing as a surrogate for Donald Trump at the Wyoming Republican Party convention this weekend, the state’s GOP announced on Thursday.
According to a release on the Republican Party of Wyoming’s website, the Trump campaign said she would not be attending. It provided no explanation for the last-minute cancellation.

Read more: politico.com

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wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:49:38am
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allegro  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:50:32am

re: #146 SoundGuy 2016

I was just wondering why a Jewish politician would go meet the pope.

I wonder that too. Then I remembered that he was the only Pres candidate on either side who refused to give a speech at AIPAC. The only Jewish candidate. Just a hmmmm thing.

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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:51:11am

re: #23 Sophist, Premature Anti-Trumpist

First the anti-masturbation thing, and now this? Yeah, Ted’s alleged affairs have got to be the tip of the iceberg here. Anyone this sanctimonious about sex is compensating for something big.

Or, is that something really small?

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Alyosha  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:54:35am

re: #151 Belafon

FDR was the kind of hawk that would make Democrats today, such as Darth, reject him as a candidate.

Pearl Harbour had the unintended benefit of providing FDR with a workable path forward to delivering fascism the kick in the arse it had coming while kicking arse was still feasible. Thankfully, with regional exceptions, this did not extend to ideologically destroying the world.
Hawkishness is a shitty necessity for the democratic superpower.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 16, 2016 • 9:59:55am

re: #156 Alyosha

Pearl Harbour had the unintended benefit of providing FDR with a workable path forward to delivering fascism the kick in the arse it had coming while kicking arse was still feasible. Thankfully, with regional exceptions, this did not extend to ideologically destroying the world.
Hawkishness is a shitty necessity for the democratic superpower.

I find it fascinating that it took Pearl Harbor to get us into WWII, given that by that time Germany had intentionally sunk a number of our merchant ships, and one of out destroyers. Imagine an American President today, NOT going to war after that! He’s be impeached in an instant!

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wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:00:20am
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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:04:02am

re: #142 goddamnedfrank

This is pretty brutal. Pope Francis just made it clear that Sanders was waiting for him in the foyer and basically ambushed him to get the meeting he wanted.

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cruxnow.com

reuters.com

WTF??? I swear Bernie is coming unglued.

And so has our freaking media. Today I learned all about optics. You have Bernie in Rome leaning on the Pope for some time with North America’s Premiere Democratic Socialist and last night in HollyLaLaLand Hillary beating on Hollywood’s Fashionable
Movie Types for gazillions of dirty campaign money.

Of course no mention that a lot of that money is for PACs to help the whole Democratic party…or that Bernie really wasn’t all that wanted at the Vatican. It is about Optics…and how the media wants it to be seen.

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Alyosha  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:05:05am

re: #157 Blind Frog Belly White

I find it fascinating that it took Pearl Harbor to get us into WWII, given that by that time Germany had intentionally sunk a number of our merchant ships, and one of out destroyers. Imagine an American President today, NOT going to war after that! He’s be impeached in an instant!

Heh, the military industrial complex wasn’t even quite conceived at that point, so the dynamics politically were different.
Even a warlord like Hitler might be reasoned with and profited from. Unfortunately for him, one of the few treaties that he honoured was the one with Japan LOL

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:06:02am

“He knew I was coming out at the time…” in conjunction with saying it was “a handshake and nothing more” makes it abundantly clear that the Pope is not the least bit amused. The psychiatrist line on the surface looks like it might be aimed at critics but what it really does is cut down Sanders’ campaign and supporters who desperately wanted to spin the entire trip into a huge PR coup.

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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:09:08am

re: #145 stpaulbear

2016 - 1978ish = 38ish years ago. I’m 61 now.

Got it. When I read toot your horn, I thought you were referring to your own age not to the era of your band.

I figured from other music comments you’ve made around here we are about the same age. I’ll be 62 in August. The first band I was in as the drummer was in ‘78.

Right there with you.

By the way, I liked the video. Do you still play at all?

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Alyosha  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:10:41am

re: #161 goddamnedfrank

So a kind of Michael Moore-type ambush, but with the Kim Davis soft-sell ‘meeting’.

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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:11:11am

re: #150 BeachDem

So people who do not have strong enough feelings about/belief in either party’s platform and policies to actually commit to be a member of said party should have as much say in choosing said party’s candidates as those who support and work for said party? And these INDEPENDENT folks should be able to decide at the last minute which party to grace with their oh so important presence?

Yep—seems totally fair and rational.

Oh, and Michael, they’re not “prohibited from voting.” They just need to have made up their damn minds what they support earlier than five minutes before the primary.

Michael sometimes speaks in words that are not unlike some of his selective edits in movies. It’s all about what is left unsaid and not clearly defined.

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wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:11:25am

Click through for nice photos and a video clip.

Hosted by Morgan Freeman! That would be like describing your spirituality to God himself!

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stpaulbear  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:12:59am

re: #161 goddamnedfrank

If I had a chance to shake the pope’s hand, I’d probably show up and act like a pope fanboy too. But I sure as hell wouldn’t make any claim that he conferred with me.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:12:59am

re: #153 wrenchwench

The so-called Five Civilized Tribes sided with the confederacy, with a few others.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:14:21am

re: #156 Alyosha

I tend to be a hawkish Socialist, so the peaceniks do get on my nerves.

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wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:14:50am

re: #167 Ziggy_TARDIS

The so-called Five Civilized Tribes sided with the confederacy, with a few others.

History is complicated. The current meaning of the Confederate flag is not.

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stpaulbear  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:18:39am

re: #162 ObserverArt

Got it. When I read toot your horn, I thought you were referring to your own age not to the era of your band.

I figured from other music comments you’ve made around here we are about the same age. I’ll be 62 in August. The first band I was in as the drummer was in ‘78.

Right there with you.

By the way, I liked the video. Do you still play at all?

I gave up playing due to severe tinnitus. I still have the drums in cases in the basement. I know my mental health would be a lot better if I was still playing, but it almost hurts to be around loud noise.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:19:35am

re: #112 darthstar

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WTF is ‘excessive faith in science’?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:20:44am

re: #169 wrenchwench

I hate that flag just as much as you. That thing should be relegated to the history books.

I was pointing out that it isn’t quite as weird as it first. Though, being upstate New York, that is baffling. Namely because I think a few of the tribes in the area, or originally from the area, sided with the Union.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:21:00am

re: #167 Ziggy_TARDIS

The so-called Five Civilized Tribes sided with the confederacy, with a few others.

The Five Civilized Tribes were the Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Creek, and Seminole. All Southeastern, one displaced Iroquoian and four Muskoghean. (Actually, Choctaw and Chickasaw are the same, as are Creek and Seminole.) None anywhere near Upstate New York.

Major General CSA and Cherokee chief Stand Watie was the last Confederate General Officer to surrender.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:21:37am

re: #167 Ziggy_TARDIS

The so-called Five Civilized Tribes sided with the confederacy, with a few others.

The split in the American nation was mirrored by splits in the tribes. Factions that pre-existed the white man’s war fought on different sides.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:22:48am

re: #173 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The Five Civilized Tribes were the Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Creek, and Seminole. All Southeastern, one displaced Iroquoian and four Muskoghean. (Actually, Choctaw and Chickasaw are the same, as are Creek and Seminole.) None anywhere near Upstate New York.

Major General CSA and Cherokee chief Stand Watie was the last Confederate General Officer to surrender.

Disclaimer: I’m 1/8 Choctaw myself.

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wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:22:59am

re: #172 Ziggy_TARDIS

I hate that flag just as much as you. That thing should be relegated to the history books.

I was pointing out that it isn’t quite as weird as it first. Though, being upstate New York, that is baffling. Namely because I think a few of the tribes in the area, or originally from the area, sided with the Union.

I didn’t mean you were confused. I meant the owners of that store have no excuse. I appreciate your addition of historical bits.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:25:57am

re: #176 wrenchwench

Oh, ok.

The Delaware, better known as the Lenape, come from the area. They sided with the Union alot.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:26:47am

When they fired John Pope from the Army of the Potomac, they sent him to Minnesota to suppress the tribes there. If they could have gotten any help from the Confederacy, I’m sure they would have been happy, but logistically it just wasn’t happening.

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Belafon  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:26:49am

re: #159 ObserverArt

WTF??? I swear Bernie is coming unglued.

And so has our freaking media. Today I learned all about optics. You have Bernie in Rome leaning on the Pope for some time with North America’s Premiere Democratic Socialist and last night in HollyLaLaLand Hillary beating on Hollywood’s Fashionable
Movie Types for gazillions of dirty campaign money.

Of course no mention that a lot of that money is for PACs to help the whole Democratic party…or that Bernie really wasn’t all that wanted at the Vatican. It is about Optics…and how the media wants it to be seen.

I made this comment yesterday, but it looks to me that Sanders is trying to save face because he said he was going to meet with the pope. The lengths he’s gone to to try to recover from his original statement, rather than saying he got it wrong, make me concerned about him being president. It reminds me too much of LBJ’s need to escalate actions in Vietnam because pulling out would have been seen as a failure of the US and of Johnson, and he had no ability to accept that.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:27:56am

What a wonderful day in human history. The first Pastafarian wedding!

bbc.com

The light-hearted Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster has staged its first legally recognised wedding.

Toby Ricketts and Marianna Fenn tied the “noodle knot” in the New Zealand South Island town of Akaroa.

The happy couple say that guidelines of the Pastafarian religion stipulate that wedding celebrants must be pirates.

Members of the church profess the belief that the world was created by an airborne spaghetti and meatballs-based being and humans evolved from pirates.

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wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:28:06am

re: #174 Decatur Deb

The split in the American nation was mirrored by splits in the tribes. Factions that pre-existed the white man’s war fought on different sides.

There were Civil War battles in New Mexico. Then the Buffalo Soldiers were brought out here to push the Apaches away from the good parts. Locally the Buffalo Soldiers are celebrated. The Native Americans are team mascots. History is complicated.

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Belafon  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:30:07am

re: #171 Blind Frog Belly White

WTF is ‘excessive faith in science’?

It’s spin, an attempt to make science equivalent to religion so that people can claim “well, you believe what you want, and I’ll believe what I want.”

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Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:31:18am

re: #175 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Disclaimer: I’m 1/8 Choctaw myself.

Seminoles were largely a synthetic tribe, made up in historic times from various native groups, escaped slaves, and marginal whites. They got a big boost from the British in 1812, including a dramatic episode involving the Royal Colonial Marines and what became nearby Ft. Gadsden.

en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org

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Belafon  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:32:03am

re: #181 wrenchwench

There were Civil War battles in New Mexico. Then the Buffalo Soldiers were brought out here to push the Apaches away from the good parts. Locally the Buffalo Soldiers are celebrated. The Native Americans are team mascots. History is complicated.

And here in Texas, the Civil War was used to 1) drive the Native Americans out of the state and into Oklahoma, and 2) try to retake part of New Mexico that was given up when Texas joined the United States. The first one worked, but the second one didn’t.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:33:44am

re: #184 Belafon

Didn’t they also persecute the German-Americans in the state, who sided with the Union in many cases?

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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:36:30am

re: #170 stpaulbear

I gave up playing due to severe tinnitus. I still have the drums in cases in the basement. I know my mental health would be a lot better if I was still playing, but it almost hurts to be around loud noise.

Sorry about the tinnitus. I am so glad I still have pretty good hearing considering all the concerts I went to, all the bands I hung out and/or worked with and all the loud auto races and race cars I have been around.

I wouldn’t know what to do if I couldn’t play my drums or guitars. Like last night, my buddy and I jammed for a good three plus hours. We have got to start recording as we have the songs pretty much down. I have 12 tunes worked up.

It just is not as easy without the other two dudes where we could play all the parts and capture the drums and maybe bass parts and then build from there. We have got to figure a way to just play the basics and get the drums down with one guitar helping drive the song.

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stpaulbear  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:36:50am

re: #178 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

When they fired John Pope from the Army of the Potomac, they sent him to Minnesota to suppress the tribes there. If they could have gotten any help from the Confederacy, I’m sure they would have been happy, but logistically it just wasn’t happening.

Fort Snelling State Park at the confluence of the Mississippi and Minnesota rivers, has a visitor center that has some interpretive displays regarding the forced relocation of American Indians. The displays were updated a while back to refer to the act as internment and genocide. It is definitely not the white man’s version, and it’s good that MN parks are telling it like it is. They’ve updated their interpretive language at all of the state parks, especially the ‘Fort’ parks where battles took place).

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:38:13am

re: #183 Decatur Deb

Seminoles were largely a synthetic tribe, made up in historic times from various native groups, escaped slaves, and marginal whites. They got a big boost from the British in 1812, including a dramatic episode involving the Royal Colonial Marines and what became nearby Ft. Gadsden.

en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org

Oh, I know—“Seminole” is actually a corruption of Spanish Cimarrón: “Escaped slave”. They adopted Creek as their common language, is all I meant.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:39:30am

re: #182 Belafon

It’s spin, an attempt to make science equivalent to religion so that people can claim “well, you believe what you want, and I’ll believe what I want.”

Equating science with religion is a popular dodge on the Right. I had a friend who did that sort of thing constantly, along with argument by analogy - or in his case, argument by BAD analogy. Things like “DNA is information, like letters in words in a book. If you randomly change letters in those words, the book becomes incomprehensible, therefore mutations are deleterious.”

But I’m surprised to see a Lizard posting that, if he actually means it.

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wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:41:53am

re: #184 Belafon

And here in Texas, the Civil War was used to 1) drive the Native Americans out of the state and into Oklahoma, and 2) try to retake part of New Mexico that was given up when Texas joined the United States. The first one worked, but the second one didn’t.

I’ve always thought there are parts of New Mexico that we could give to Texas in exchange for El Paso. We would give El Paso the love it deserves! Safest big city in America! Twice the size of Albuquerque! Bustling port!

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wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:45:19am

re: #188 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Oh, I know—“Seminole” is actually a corruption of Spanish Cimarrón: “Escaped slave”. They adopted Creek as their common language, is all I meant.

Interesting. Cimarrón, New Mexico is not all that far (as the crow flies) from Glorieta Pass, one of those Civil War battle sites.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:53:48am

re: #190 wrenchwench

I’ve always thought there are parts of New Mexico that we could give to Texas in exchange for El Paso. We would give El Paso the love it deserves! Safest big city in America! Twice the size of Albuquerque! Bustling port!

Let’s gather up all the red boils on the backside of blue states and give them all to Texas—we can start with Eastern Washington.

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retired cynic  Apr 16, 2016 • 10:58:12am

I love this. Driftglass had it up this morning.

driftglass.blogspot.com

For those of you who love Justin Trudeau and don’t love Donald Trump.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2016 • 11:01:38am

re: #188 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Oh, I know—“Seminole” is actually a corruption of Spanish Cimarrón: “Escaped slave”. They adopted Creek as their common language, is all I meant.

Ooops—took a break for lunch.

Yeah, language is the key, since old-times tribal membership was a pretty informal, voluntary, thing. The trick of course, was to be able to communicate.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 16, 2016 • 11:01:49am

re: #192 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Let’s gather up all the red boils on the backside of blue states and give them all to Texas—we can start with Eastern Washington.

1968 Republican candidate for Washington Commissioner of Public Lands Richard A. C. Greene:

“The so-called Inland Empire is a trackless waste contributing
nothing to the Evergreen State but rattlesnakes and nitwits,”
Greene thundered from his headquarters in Honolulu. “I’d offer
that sandpile to Idaho and if they didn’t accept it, I’d
invade. It’s high time Washington had a foreign policy
anyway.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 16, 2016 • 11:01:54am

re: #138 stpaulbear

Is there anything more annoying on Facebook than a chain-mail post that says that you’re an uncaring person or not a real friend if you don’t like or share their post?

“Share this (spam) if you care about our wounded soldiers and veterans!”

“If you’re a real friend of mine, give me a one word reply and post this on your page so that I can give you a one word reply.”

Man, I just hate those things.

I just ignore them.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 16, 2016 • 11:05:57am

re: #196 Big Beautiful Door

I just ignore them.

But doesn’t that make me a bad person?

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stpaulbear  Apr 16, 2016 • 11:08:43am

re: #196 Big Beautiful Door

I just ignore them.

Yeah, I do too. I only spend about half an hour a week on FB now and most of my FB friends are the same. One friend posts 5-10 times a day, but she’s an excellent community reporter so she rarely posts junk.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 16, 2016 • 11:11:55am
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worldknot  Apr 16, 2016 • 11:13:07am

I’m a one-issue voter, and that’s to pass a law prohibiting anyone who calls records “vinyls” from owning them.

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BeachDem  Apr 16, 2016 • 11:18:47am

re: #179 Belafon

I made this comment yesterday, but it looks to me that Sanders is trying to save face because he said he was going to meet with the pope. The lengths he’s gone to to try to recover from his original statement, rather than saying he got it wrong, make me concerned about him being president. It reminds me too much of LBJ’s need to escalate actions in Vietnam because pulling out would have been seen as a failure of the US and of Johnson, and he had no ability to accept that.

Oh, the Berners have an explanation (of course) for why the Pope said what he said about the hallway encounter—Pope Francis was just being “coy.” Sigh

*Respecting the Pope’s usual concern with not involving himself with politics in Italy or abroad, later reporting on the encounter has delicately shifted to present it as somewhat serendipitous.

Regular Vatican observers would counter that, nowhere more certainly than within Vatican walls, papal encounters do not occur randomly, and do not occur without papal approval and without a mutual desire to meet.

None of the diplomacy around the events surprises me. No one meets the Pope by accident, and the published articles were sourced at the Vatican. There’s no need to change my post because the Pope is being respectably coy and diplomatic about the whole thing now.

dailykos.com

Uh huh. Wink. Wink. Nod.

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stpaulbear  Apr 16, 2016 • 11:23:04am

re: #200 worldknot

I’m a one-issue voter, and that’s to pass a law prohibiting anyone who calls records “vinyls” from owning them.

Have you been out to the stores for ‘Record Store Day’ today? There are a few RSD records that I though it would be cool to have, but they disappear within minutes (if the store gets any copies at all) and the stores are like Target on the day after Thanksgiving. I got fed up with it last year. It wasn’t any fun.

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blueraven  Apr 16, 2016 • 11:23:28am

re: #199 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

So Reuters is just straight-up lying:

Pope Francis and Bernie Sanders meet to discuss need for morality in world economy

Or The Pope was lying?

When I was leaving (Casa Santa Marta) Senator Sanders was there, he came to the meeting on Centesimus Annus, and he knew that I was leaving at that time, and he had the courtesy to greet me,” Pope Francis said. “I greeted him and his wife and another couple that was with him.”

“So when I went down, I said hello, a shake of the hand and nothing more,” he continued. “This is politeness. This is called good manners, not meddling in politics. And if anyone thinks that to greet someone means to meddle in politics, then I suggest that they find a psychiatrist.”

cbsnews.com

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darthstar  Apr 16, 2016 • 11:23:48am

re: #171 Blind Frog Belly White

WTF is ‘excessive faith in science’?

Sarcasm

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 16, 2016 • 11:25:09am

re: #49 De Kolta Chair

It was part of the late John Hughes’ “Brat Pack” genre of the 1980s. Few of the actors achieved breakout status.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 16, 2016 • 11:26:13am

re: #204 darthstar

Sarcasm

That’s a relief. It would have been out of what I’d perceived to be your character, which is nothing if not rational.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 16, 2016 • 11:28:17am

re: #203 blueraven

Or The Pope was lying?

cbsnews.com

It’s a relief to see that Sanders is really just a rather clumsy politician, after all.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 16, 2016 • 11:29:58am

re: #205 Eric The Fruit Bat

It was part of the late Michael Hughes’ “Brat Pack” genre of the 1980s. Few of the actors achieved breakout status.

John Hughes, I think you mean. Specialized in ‘Coming Of Age’ teen angst movies during the Big Hair era.

“King of the Dipshits, that’s me.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 16, 2016 • 11:31:13am

“What is this, an audience or an oil painting?”

Come on, folks! I need an excuse not to go out and do more weeding! I’m dying here!
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stpaulbear  Apr 16, 2016 • 11:34:08am

re: #209 Blind Frog Belly White

“What is this, an audience or an oil painting?”

Come on, folks! I need an excuse not to go out and do more weeding! I’m dying here!
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Throw a load of laundry in the washer. That’s my excuse on Saturdays.

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SoundGuy 2016  Apr 16, 2016 • 11:35:46am

re: #206 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s a relief. It would have been out of what I’d perceived to be your character, which is nothing if not rational.

Darth is never sarcastic. Except for when he is.

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darthstar  Apr 16, 2016 • 11:44:21am

re: #206 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s a relief. It would have been out of what I’d perceived to be your character, which is nothing if not rational.

I can be irrational too!!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 16, 2016 • 11:44:34am

re: #210 stpaulbear

Throw a load of laundry in the washer. That’s my excuse on Saturdays.

Oo! Thanks for the reminder! My cycling clothes need washed.*

*if ‘need washed’ doesn’t give me away as a displaced Pennsylvanian, I don’t know what would!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 16, 2016 • 11:45:16am

re: #212 darthstar

I can be irrational too!!!

I know. I’ve seen your posts supporting Sanders.
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C’mon. You walked into that one!

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darthstar  Apr 16, 2016 • 11:46:30am

re: #214 Blind Frog Belly White

I know. I’ve seen your posts supporting Sanders.
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C’mon. You walked into that one!

Hey, he smoked a joint with the Pope. What has Hillary done? Met with some Scientologists?

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calochortus  Apr 16, 2016 • 11:46:47am

re: #213 Blind Frog Belly White

Oo! Thanks for the reminder! My cycling clothes need washed.*

*if ‘need washed’ doesn’t give me away as a displaced Pennsylvanian, I don’t know what would!

Mr. C. used to say “need washed” and he was from New Jersey. His parents, however, were PA born and bred as were many, many previous generations. He loves me, so he learned to put the “to be” part in.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 16, 2016 • 11:48:01am

re: #136 Alyosha

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 16, 2016 • 11:52:27am

re: #216 calochortus

Mr. C. used to say “need washed” and he was from New Jersey. His parents, however, were PA born and bred as were many, many previous generations. He loves me, so he learned to put the “to be” part in.

Mrs. FBW says either “Need TO BE washed!” or “Need WASHING!”, but you can’t take the Pennsylvania out of the boy, even after 36 years.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 16, 2016 • 11:52:34am

re: #216 calochortus

Mr. C. used to say “need washed” and he was from New Jersey. His parents, however, were PA born and bred as were many, many previous generations. He loves me, so he learned to put the “to be” part in.

I’ve started hearing this everywhere the last decade or two—didn’t know where it came from.

Everybody I’ve ever known who used “bring” for both “bring” and “take” (“I’ll bring you there.”), starting with my Dad, were from South Dakota. Anybody know any wider source?

The first time I heard Bill Clinton in the ‘92 campaign talk about “growing” the economy, I thought: “Oh shit, they’re going to be all over him about that.” But no—and now I hear it everywhere.

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stpaulbear  Apr 16, 2016 • 11:55:51am

re: #219 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Everybody I’ve ever known who used “bring” for both “bring” and “take” (“I’ll bring you there.”), starting with my Dad, were from South Dakota. Anybody know any wider source?

I’ve heard that in MN too, but we’re right next door.

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BeachDem  Apr 16, 2016 • 11:59:25am

re: #219 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’ve started hearing this everywhere the last decade or two—didn’t know where it came from.

Everybody I’ve ever known who used “bring” for both “bring” and “take” (“I’ll bring you there.”), starting with my Dad, were from South Dakota. Anybody know any wider source?

The first time I heard Bill Clinton in the ‘92 campaign talk about “growing” the economy, I thought: “Oh shit, they’re going to be all over him about that.” But no—and now I hear it everywhere.

Don’t forget Alexander Haig, the original “verbifier of nouns.”

Let the Reader Beware A new linguistic form called ”haigravation” is rearing its head in Washington. It is the tendency of the new Secretary of State to change the state of parts of speech - from noun to adverb, from noun to verb. The new top man at Foggy Bottom, Gen. Alexander Haig, studded his testimony at confirmation hearings with locutions like ”I’ll have to caveat my response, Senator,” and ”I’ll caveat that … .”

nytimes.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2016 • 12:02:22pm

re: #221 BeachDem

and nounification of verbs:

“it’s a great read.”

still bugs me.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 16, 2016 • 12:05:16pm

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

and nounification of verbs:

“it’s a great read.”

still bugs me.

Yeah, sorry. My bad….
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BeachDem  Apr 16, 2016 • 12:05:33pm

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

and nounification of verbs:

“it’s a great read.”

still bugs me.

Yep—bugs me too. (But not as much as actual news stories using “lead” (rhymes with red) as the past of lead (rhymes with need) instead of “led.”)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 16, 2016 • 12:09:38pm

re: #219 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’ve started hearing this everywhere the last decade or two—didn’t know where it came from.

Everybody I’ve ever known who used “bring” for both “bring” and “take” (“I’ll bring you there.”), starting with my Dad, were from South Dakota. Anybody know any wider source?

The first time I heard Bill Clinton in the ‘92 campaign talk about “growing” the economy, I thought: “Oh shit, they’re going to be all over him about that.” But no—and now I hear it everywhere.

I know a guy who grows apples. And my Mom and Dad used to grow all kinds of vegetables, so I’m not sure “growing the economy” is ungrammatical.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 16, 2016 • 12:11:28pm

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

and nounification of verbs:

“it’s a great read.”

still bugs me.

The people who have “asks” in meetings will be first against the wall when the revolution comes.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2016 • 12:22:44pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2016 • 12:24:36pm

Just amazing seeing so many berners on twitter out and out calling the Pope a liar.

good grief

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2016 • 12:26:32pm

re: #227 goddamnedfrank

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It’s my understanding that Sorondo was also responsible for the “invitation” to speak.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 16, 2016 • 12:32:38pm

re: #226 Testy Toad T

The people who have “asks” in meetings will be first against the wall when the revolution comes.

You mean when they “take a meeting”?

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2016 • 12:33:28pm

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s my understanding that Sorondo was also responsible for the “invitation” to speak.

Yep, he bypassed Archer then when she got upset that Sanders invitation had violated protocol he essentially tried to call Archer a liar, saying he’d invited Sanders with her “consensus.” His choice of words were pretty weaselly, consensus could simply have meant that he had the power to invite people, not that she’d previously discussed or agreed to Sanders speaking. It’s pretty clear that Sorondo has no respect at all for Archer’s leadership role at PASS, I’m guessing because she’s a woman. Nominally she’s above him in PASS’s organizational flow chart but he felt he could talk down to and rebuke her so publicly for asserting herself.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 16, 2016 • 12:39:16pm

re: #225 Blind Frog Belly White

I know a guy who grows apples. And my Mom and Dad used to grow all kinds of vegetables, so I’m not sure “growing the economy” is ungrammatical.

The Grammarphobia Blog
Growing pains

But this newer transitive use of “grow” applied to nonliving things (as in “grow the economy”) seems to have emerged during the 1992 presidential election, according to The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language (5th ed.). Many (though not all) language authorities frown on a usage like “grow our business,” including 80 percent of American Heritage’s Usage Panel.

….

Speaking for myself, I hope this remains corporate jargon and doesn’t become more widely used. Even worse, though, is the phrase “grow down,” as in “I promise to grow down the deficit.” Anyone capable of speaking in such a way should grow up.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2016 • 12:40:25pm
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stpaulbear  Apr 16, 2016 • 12:44:47pm

re: #233 goddamnedfrank

What’s happening there? I don’t know who those people are.

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jaunte  Apr 16, 2016 • 12:45:43pm

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

I just want to know where the Pope stands on the whole George Clooney Must Go issue.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2016 • 12:48:37pm

re: #233 goddamnedfrank

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good grief.

So not ready for prime time…

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2016 • 12:54:47pm

re: #234 stpaulbear

What’s happening there? I don’t know who those people are.

Click on the Twitter bird logo in the lower right to see the tweet. Sanders being directed towards Academy President Margaret Archer, who he deliberately snubs, walking right past her as she stands to greet him as he chooses to shake hands with Evo Morales instead.

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Belafon  Apr 16, 2016 • 12:59:33pm

re: #237 goddamnedfrank

Click on the Twitter bird logo in the lower right to see the tweet. Sanders being directed towards Academy President Margaret Archer, who he deliberately snubs, walking right past her as she stands to greet him as he chooses to shake hands with Evo Morales instead.

If the pope can ignore Bernie to meet with a world leader, then he can as well.

//

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2016 • 12:59:43pm

re: #237 goddamnedfrank

It absolutely was deliberate too. Bernie was pissed off at Archer because she strongly criticized him for breaking protocol in securing an invitation. That’s how he deals with strong women who stand up for themselves, that’s Sanders maturity level on display.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2016 • 1:02:59pm

re: #238 Belafon

If the pope can ignore Bernie to meet with a world leader, then he can as well.

Um, what? He was at an Academy Event, was directed to the President of the Academy and totally ignored her out of spite. The Pope on the other hand just tried to stay out of another nation’s politics and had his wishes subverted by both Sanders and Sorondo, who refused to take no for an answer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2016 • 1:05:11pm

re: #240 goddamnedfrank

Um, what? He was at an Academy Event, was directed to the President of the Academy and totally ignored her out of spite. The Pope on the other hand just tried to stay out of another nation’s politics and had his wishes subverted by both Sanders and Sorondo, who refused to take no for an answer.

Also, Morales is an actual head of state.
Bernie is not.

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Belafon  Apr 16, 2016 • 1:07:46pm

re: #240 goddamnedfrank

Um, what? He was at an Academy Event, was directed to the President of the Academy and totally ignored her out of spite. The Pope on the other hand just tried to stay out of another nation’s politics and had his wishes subverted by both Sanders and Sorondo, who refused to take no for an answer.

I forgot the sarc tags. It was meant to poke at the way Sanders acted.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2016 • 1:10:18pm

re: #242 Belafon

I forgot the sarc tags. It was meant to poke at the way Sanders acted.

I should have guessed. I just have no sense of humor left when it comes to Sanders. The dude has worn all the way through my last fucking nerve.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2016 • 1:11:24pm

Oh, and Morales showed up before the conference began, giving the Pope’s people plenty of time to schedule a meeting.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2016 • 1:15:58pm

re: #244 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh, and Morales showed up before the conference began, giving the Pope’s people plenty of time to schedule a meeting.

Lastly, Morales is term limited and can’t run for office again, but holds office until 2020. Meeting with him couldn’t reasonably be interpreted as interfering in Bolivian politics.

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BeachDem  Apr 16, 2016 • 1:18:31pm

re: #239 goddamnedfrank

It absolutely was deliberate too. Bernie was pissed off at Archer because she strongly criticized him for breaking protocol in securing an invitation. That’s how he deals with strong women who stand up for themselves, that’s Sanders maturity level on display.

Also—math.

Their latest email is calling for 15,000 people to work “an hour or two” each this weekend to make 2 million calls in NY.

Hmmmm, 15,000 people x 15 calls per hour (being very generous—4 minutes per call; no breaks, no nothing) = 225,000 calls per hour. Which means if each of those 15,000 people works 8 hours (rather than “an hour or two”, they’ll have made 1.8 million calls.

Anyone who has phonebanked would agree with me that 15 calls per hour for 8 hours is rainbow fart/unicorn stuff.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2016 • 1:24:14pm

re: #246 BeachDem

Also—math.

Their latest email is calling for 15,000 people to work “an hour or two” each this weekend to make 2 million calls in NY.

Hmmmm, 15,000 people x 15 calls per hour (being very generous—4 minutes per call; no breaks, no nothing) = 225,000 calls per hour. Which means if each of those 15,000 people works 8 hours (rather than “an hour or two”, they’ll have made 1.8 million calls.

Anyone who has phonebanked would agree with me that 15 calls per hour for 8 hours is rainbow fart/unicorn stuff.

Phone banking is awful. Ever since I signed up to volunteer it’s the one thing I’m dreading Clinton’s campaign asking me to do. I’ll do it but I’d much rather drive people to the polls or just about anything else. I’d literally rather shovel shit for 8 hours than call up people and bug them.

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stpaulbear  Apr 16, 2016 • 1:28:37pm

re: #247 goddamnedfrank

I did data entry work and assembled signs at the call center during the push to defeat the straight marriage amendment in MN; anything but make calls. It was nice to win that one. It led to MN approving gay marriage a couple years later.

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BeachDem  Apr 16, 2016 • 1:41:03pm

re: #247 goddamnedfrank

Phone banking is awful. Ever since I signed up to volunteer it’s the one thing I’m dreading Clinton’s campaign asking me to do. I’ll do it but I’d much rather drive people to the polls or just about anything else. I’d literally rather shovel shit for 8 hours than call up people and bug them.

Tell them that. If you’d rather door-to-door canvass or do data entry (they don’t need as much of that when they use the dialer system, but they still need it for the canvassing info) or whatever, just tell them. They would probably LOVE to have someone who would drive people to the polls, especially to do early in-person voting (not sure if they have that in CA.)

I also hate phone banking. And with a field rep living with me, I really couldn’t get by without doing SOMETHING, so I did her data entry when she got home at night with her data, helped her put her packages together, wrote copy for her email blasts, went to the phone-bank locations and brought them food and drinks, etc.

The only plus on the phone-banking is they have the lists all sorted by targets, so in the early going, you’ll almost always be calling people who have expressed support for Hillary; then, as the primary gets closer, you’ll be re-calling people to remind them about registration deadlines, voting times, seeing if they need a ride etc.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2016 • 1:42:09pm

re: #247 goddamnedfrank

re: #248 stpaulbear

Did more than enough to get sick of it, and read enough to doubt its effectiveness (below). There’s this thing about “volunteer”, however. I volunteer for what I want from now on.

amazon.com

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BeachDem  Apr 16, 2016 • 1:48:42pm

re: #250 Decatur Deb

Did more than enough to get sick of it, and read enough to doubt its effectiveness (below). There’s this thing about “volunteer”, however. I volunteer for what I want from now on.

amazon.com

I have to say, my field rep/housemate really hated yard signs, and thought they were pretty worthless, but, of course, campaigns love them. We had boxes on my patio with 2,500 yard sign frames (and those suckers are heavy) and each night, I would help her assemble a few hundred for the next day’s events. I still have a stack of them here in my office that she couldn’t fit in her car when she left.

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sagehen  Apr 16, 2016 • 2:17:43pm

re: #247 goddamnedfrank

Phone banking is awful. Ever since I signed up to volunteer it’s the one thing I’m dreading Clinton’s campaign asking me to do. I’ll do it but I’d much rather drive people to the polls or just about anything else. I’d literally rather shovel shit for 8 hours than call up people and bug them.

I really loved phone-banking for the 1976 Republican primary. We’d identify the yes/no/maybe, ask what issue particularly interested them, stuff envelopes with the relevant policy sheet (pre-internet, remember)… then call back the maybes a week or two later, ask if they’d read it and discuss it with them. Then call back a couple days before the primary, do they know where their polling place is, do they need a ride… and because we kept track of who called which sheets, they’d get repeated calls from the same volunteer. If we kept good notes, we could build an actual pseudo-relationship with the voter, remember personal details, call again during the general….

Ford won California by a significant margin, which was an especially sweet “fuck you” to Reagan.

This experience is probably a big part of why I never warmed up to Reagan. Ever.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 16, 2016 • 2:49:20pm

re: #200 worldknot

Them’s fightin’ words.

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