The Bob & Chez Show: Seven Eleven

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Today’s program on our podcasting affiliate, The Bob & Chez Show:

Seven Eleven: We’re Sick of the Democratic Primary Campaign; Silly Season is Thick; Bernie’s Fingers and Hillary’s Hot Sauce; Ted Cruz Won’t Ban Sex Toys; Trump Refers to 911 as 711; Who’s Attacking Us Now; When MSNBC Was Republican; Fox News Continues Fictitious Makers vs Takers Nonsense; and more.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 20, 2016 • 9:51:50am

Let’s talk about how and why Donald Trump is qualified to be President and Commander-in-Chief…

You see? Trump has us talking about everything and anything but that.

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2016 • 9:55:32am
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:01:05am

Ted Cruz putting everything he owns into the bogus “Planned Parenthood” videos==>

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Jenner7  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:07:54am

Time to let some surrogates go…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:11:37am

re: #4 Jenner7

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Time to let some surrogates go…

There is a NRA apologist running, but he’s running as a Democrat. See how that works?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:11:49am

re: #4 Jenner7

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Time to let some surrogates go…

People are being mean to her:

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:12:30am

re: #4 Jenner7

Damnit Janet

That never gets old apparently.

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jaunte  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:12:34am

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

And Blackburn’s ‘documentary evidence’ will turn out to be a Daleiden forgery.

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Belafon  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:14:36am

re: #4 Jenner7

Time to let some surrogates go…

There are people that seem to think they get to define what the center of this country is. Sanders is not the center.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:16:07am

re: #9 Belafon

There are people that seem to think they get to define what the center of this country is. Sanders is not the center.

He has shown that he represents a much more sizable share of the country than we at first expected, but it is far from the center.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:16:10am

It’s absolutely flabbergasting to me the degree to which Sanders and his supporters feel they can appropriate the definition of what a Democrat is.

Just leaves my jaw hanging. I guess we can all have different definitions of what “moderate” or “progressive” might mean, but there’s really no equivocating capital-D Democrat.

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CuriousLurker  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:17:06am

OT Drive-by for wrenchwench: If you’re here, I found something for you!

Gotta run—BBL.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:18:03am

re: #10 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He has shown that he represents a much more sizable share of the country than we at first expected, but it is far from the center.

He has shown that a much more sizable share of the country is sympathetic to his causes. That’s not quite the same thing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:20:46am

re: #13 Testy Toad T

He has shown that a much more sizable share of the country is sympathetic to his causes. That’s not quite the same thing.

That’s kinda what I meant. We see that “socialism” is not the dead cause in our country that the media would have us believe.

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:20:49am

Nice racism, be sad if something happened to those 20s you carry:

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:21:26am

re: #11 Testy Toad T

It’s absolutely flabbergasting to me the degree to which Sanders and his supporters feel they can appropriate the definition of what a Democrat is.

Just leaves my jaw hanging. I guess we can all have different definitions of what “moderate” or “progressive” might mean, but there’s really no equivocating capital-D Democrat.

It really would be one thing if Bernie were a Democrat all these years.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:23:09am

re: #16 HappyWarrior

It really would be one thing if Bernie were a Democrat all these years.

That is a nuance that gets cast aside whenever it is convenient.

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Kragar  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:24:26am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:26:46am

re: #18 Kragar

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I’m sure Obama in 2008 is petrified. //

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Kragar  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:27:50am

re: #19 HappyWarrior

I’m sure Obama in 2008 is petrified. //

This is great news for John McCain

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:28:25am

re: #11 Testy Toad T

It’s absolutely flabbergasting to me the degree to which Sanders and his supporters feel they can appropriate the definition of what a Democrat is.

Just leaves my jaw hanging. I guess we can all have different definitions of what “moderate” or “progressive” might mean, but there’s really no equivocating capital-D Democrat.

What I’m getting from the Berners in my FB feed…

It looks like two Republicans won NY.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:28:58am

re: #17 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

That is a nuance that gets cast aside whenever it is convenient.

Frankly, I want to smack all the people crying about how poorly the DNC’s treated Bernie when in a truly fair system he wouldn’t be able to run. Bernie’s done little for actual Democrats and he wants to be the head of the party? He and his supporters want to accuse the Clintons of actually being Republicans? I’m not even a big fan of the Clintons and that shit infuriates me. Where was Bernie when the Democrats needed to get majorities in Congress? To Clinton’s credit, she’s campaigned for Democrats and Democratic supported candidates like a Vermonter named Bernie in many states in this country over the years. Can’t say the same about Bernie.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:30:29am

re: #22 HappyWarrior

But he has 3 endorsements! (From people nobody has ever heard of)

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Lidane  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:30:39am

Smart cookie, this one. I would LOVE a leader like him here after Obama leaves office:

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:30:53am

re: #21 GlutenFreeJesus

What I’m getting from the Berners in my FB feed…

You know what if any establishment Dem had the views Bernie has on guns, they wouldn’t let it pass but because it’s St. Bernie, Bernie’s record being filled with apologia for the NRA’s bullshit is allowed to slide. I want to know why Bernie’s all for businesses taking responsibility when it’s Wall Street (And let me emphasize here, I agree Wall Street needs regulation) but where is that attitude when it comes to guns? Bernie’s a chicken when it comes to guns and the NRA.

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No Depression  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:32:03am

re: #21 GlutenFreeJesus

What I’m getting from the Berners in my FB feed…

Some people just don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about.

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:33:05am

re: #22 HappyWarrior

Last night, I was watching the local NY Fox news broadcast (Channel 5) for election coverage and when they ran updates on the Democratic primaries, they showed Hillary with a D next to her name, and Bernie had an I.

That just strikes me as wrong. He’s running for the right to be the nominee of the Democratic party. He either is or isn’t an independent. If he’s running as a Democrat, then he’s a D. If he isn’t, then he really has no business being in the Democratic race at all.

Seems to me that the convenience of running in a pre-existing party was too much to pass up, because running as a 3d party candidate would have doomed his candidacy before it even got off the ground.

But even within Democratic party circles (open/closed primaries, and caucuses), Bernie’s not winning by any metric that counts - votes, delegates, or superdelegates.

At the end of the day, he’ll be a footnote to some trivia question.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:33:14am

re: #25 HappyWarrior

You know what if any establishment Dem had the views Bernie has on guns, they wouldn’t let it pass but because it’s St. Bernie, Bernie’s record being filled with apologia for the NRA’s bullshit is allowed to slide. I want to know why Bernie’s all for businesses taking responsibility when it’s Wall Street (And let me emphasize here, I agree Wall Street needs regulation) but where is that attitude when it comes to guns? Bernie’s a chicken when it comes to guns and the NRA.

He wants to remain employed.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:34:35am

What pisses me off honestly about is how condescending this shit is. Democratic voters, I mean actual Democratic voters not asshole lefties who want to use the Democratic Party for their own power favor Clinton overwhelmingly over him. And they just treat these voters, these voters who are loyal Democrats who vote Democratic staunchly like they’re not real Democrats or liberals. You want to know why the DNC hasn’t exactly been nice to you? Well maybe it’s because you treat their base like they’re idiots.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:35:14am

re: #28 GlutenFreeJesus

He wants to remain employed.

So much for principles.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:36:51am

re: #27 lawhawk

Last night, I was watching the local NY Fox news broadcast (Channel 5) for election coverage and when they ran updates on the Democratic primaries, they showed Hillary with a D next to her name, and Bernie had an I.

That just strikes me as wrong. He’s running for the right to be the nominee of the Democratic party. He either is or isn’t an independent. If he’s running as a Democrat, then he’s a D. If he isn’t, then he really has no business being in the Democratic race at all.

Seems to me that the convenience of running in a pre-existing party was too much to pass up, because running as a 3d party candidate would have doomed his candidacy before it even got off the ground.

But even within Democratic party circles (open/closed primaries, and caucuses), Bernie’s not winning by any metric that counts - votes, delegates, or superdelegates.

At the end of the day, he’ll be a footnote to some trivia question.

He’s running as a Democrat only because it’s a much easier route to the presidency than running as an Independent. As I said, I’ve seen Clinton campaign for other Democrats and Democratic supported candidates including Bernie himself that span the ideological spectrum of the party. I can’t say the same for Bernie and Bernie wants us to make him the defacto head of the Democratic party? No thanks, honestly I don’t even want Bernie in a position of leadership since he has no concept that politics is a team game.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:36:54am

re: #29 HappyWarrior

Bernie Bros have basically evolved into the Teabag Party of the Left. No policy(ies) will make them happy short of complete and utter anarchy that fits their narrow worldview.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:37:21am

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

Ted Cruz putting everything he owns into the bogus “Planned Parenthood” videos==>

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More bullshit from the liars of the anti-choice movement, trying to make something that’s perfectly legal and reasonable into another fake outrage.

Fetal Tissue Sales : snopes.com

StemExpress uses procurement technicians to obtain fetal tissue. “We’re collecting biohazardous waste, discarded waste,” [founder Cate] Dyer said. “They go to a hospital or to a facility that does terminations and collect tissues from those waste products.”

Back at the company, lab technicians process the tissue to try to isolate the specific cell type a researcher has ordered — for instance, fetal liver stem cells.

“These cells are hard to isolate,” Ms. Dyer said. “These are hard processes, expensive processes that take millions of dollars of equipment. Just to attempt to do some of these isolations can cost us thousands of dollars, and it may not even work.”

The effort is reflected in the pricing: a vial containing five million frozen fetal liver CD133+ stem cells can cost more than $24,000.

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:38:15am

re: #26 No Depression

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:38:18am

re: #32 Dr. Matt

Bernie Bros have basically evolved into the Teabag Party of the Left. No policy(ies) will make them happy short of complete and utter anarchy that fits their narrow worldview.

That’s exactly what they’ve become and it saddens the living hell out of me because I share a lot of their vision for the country but at the same time, I don’t believe in being a selfish brat either.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:40:00am

re: #30 HappyWarrior

He doesn’t have any. It’s just for consumption.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:40:34am

re: #33 Charles Johnson

More bullshit from the liars of the anti-choice movement, trying to make some that’s perfectly legal and reasonable into another fake outrage.

Speaking of bullshit….I didn’t take this picture, but I was in New Orleans over the weekend and this same billboard is right next to the airport.

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No Depression  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:40:50am

This movie clip sums up my feelings about Berners and their “Hillary is a Republican” shit.

STFU When Grown Folks is Talkin!

“So I tell you what, when your so-called revolution starts, you call me and I’ll be right down front showing you how it’s done. But until then, you need to shut the fuck up when grown folks is talkin’.”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:40:52am

re: #36 GlutenFreeJesus

He doesn’t have any. It’s just for consumption.

I wouldn’t go that far but I stand by calling him a chicken when it comes to guns. He loves to talk corporate responsibility when it doesn’t involve the firearms industry.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:43:55am

They’ll have another unicorn the next time. I’m sorry but I’ve seen this before. This part of the left gets all idealistic and they get their hopes shot because other people vote too and see things differently. Frankly, a seventy five year old from a 94% white state is a terrible choice to lead change in an increasingly diverse country. Frankly, I think this part of the left needs to actually look in the mirror and realize that they’re the cause of a lot of their own failures because of their lack of flexibility and ability to consider views that aren’t their own.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:44:18am
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Kragar  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:44:47am

re: #34 lawhawk

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:44:54am

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Good.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:45:30am

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

People are being mean to her:

Susan Sarandon: I’ve faced “so much shaming” for supporting Sanders

No, that’s not it. Wanna try again?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:45:48am

re: #42 Kragar

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He’s going to be really disappointed.

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stpaulbear  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:45:54am

re: #31 HappyWarrior

I think the only reason the Democratic Party let him run at all is because they were embarrassed about Hillary being the only high-profile, viable candidate. They wanted to have at least one more warm body in the race so that it didn’t get boring. Unfortunately, they didn’t move to get things under control when Bernie and his supporters started going rogue.

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Kragar  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:46:59am

re: #45 HappyWarrior

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wrenchwench  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:47:08am

re: #12 CuriousLurker

OT Drive-by for wrenchwench: If you’re here, I found something for you!

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Gotta run—BBL.

Thanks!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:47:26am

re: #18 Kragar

Ted Cruz Demolishes Obama’s 2008 Campaign Slogan With Just One Word

Finally, some good news of John McCain.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:47:46am

re: #20 Kragar

DAMMIT!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:47:50am

re: #44 Blind Frog Belly White

No, that’s not it. Wanna try again?

My opinion is people are free to vote for who they want to. I didn’t shame or give any of my friends and relatives who voted for Bernie. What I do want and what Ms. Sarandon has shown she won’t do is to look at the big picture that Clitnon is a far better alternative than any Republican running and that it is insulting to suggest that Clinton isn’t really a Democrat especially while she supports a man who hasn’t been one for long at all. Support Bernie all you want just as long as you’re not assholish enough to think that there’s no difference between Clinton and Trump/Cruz/Kasich.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:49:05am

re: #46 stpaulbear

I think the only reason the Democratic Party let him run at all is because they were embarrassed about Hillary being the only high-profile, viable candidate. They wanted to have at least one more warm body in the race so that it didn’t get boring. Unfortunately, they didn’t move to get things under control when Bernie and his supporters started going rogue.

I think that’s definitely plausible. It’s too bad man. I liked him. I was ready to support him but he hasn’t shown me that he’s presidential material. In fact, I think he could use some humility frankly.

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wrenchwench  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:49:12am

My feelings are mixed:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:49:16am

oh good grief.

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jaunte  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:50:17am

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

But how many square miles did each candidate win?

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:51:06am

re: #42 Kragar

Did the math earlier. Not counting supers, Bernie actually needs 74% of remaining delegates to win nomination.

Hillary’s tally is far lower.

But with supers, she’s easily within reach of 2,383.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:51:23am

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh good grief.

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I saw someone I know doing that. I felt like telling her that the Republicans do the same crap after they get swamped nationwide. As far as actual voters, Hillary beat him by 250,000 individual voters. 250,000 people. To put things in perspective, that’s about 40% of the people that live in Bernie’s state of Vermont.

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withak  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:52:51am

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh good grief.

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Hey, I know, let’s elect the president by square mileage instead of the electoral college!

Bernie fans will love President Cruz!

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stpaulbear  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:52:57am

re: #34 lawhawk

“The truth is that in modern politics, in my lifetime (born in 1979) we haven’t seen a candidate like @BernieSanders ignite so many people.”

Was Shaun in a coma in 2008?

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b.d.  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:53:07am

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh good grief.

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If trees could vote Bernie would be a lock.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:53:09am

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh good grief.

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Between that and the “Voter Fraud!” shit, I fear we’re becoming what we make fun of.

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b.d.  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:53:38am

re: #59 stpaulbear

Was Shaun in a coma in 2008?

It’s hard to lift good quotes these days.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:54:10am

re: #55 jaunte

But how many square miles did each candidate win?

Bernie beat Hillary in voters touched by photos with birds. Okay, maybe I am getting a little mean-spirited but I think they’ve shown a lot of disrespect to people who by their own free choice chose to vote for Clinton over him. It’s like they can’t wrap their minds around the idea that some of us don’t think Bernie’s the best thing to happen to the Democratic party. I like a lot of his ideas but at the same time, I think he’s not presidential material and he hasn’t helped that perception that has grown as the primaries drag on.

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:55:07am

re: #59 stpaulbear

Or before that the whole Ross Perot campaign, or even the 2000 Nader campaign.

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Lidane  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:55:31am

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

Tennessee’s governor saved everyone the time, money and embarrassment of trying to defend that stupid bill from an inevitable court challenge. The GOP idiots in that state should be grateful.

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wrenchwench  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:56:06am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:56:45am

re: #39 HappyWarrior

In 2020 they’ll be going after another boogie man.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:57:09am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:57:28am

re: #67 GlutenFreeJesus

In 2020 they’ll be going after another boogie man.

I’m sure.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2016 • 10:58:21am
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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:02:47am

re: #42 Kragar

Shouldn’t Shaun King retract his stupid comment about Chelsea Clinton telling the Daily Beast to accuse him of plagiarism?

(Oh, who am I kidding.)

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Kryptik  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:05:43am

re: #15 lawhawk

This has characterized almost all the response I’ve seen toward the decision, accompanied in part by nostalgia for how amazing and super-fucking-awesome Jackson was as a president. Almost all by so-called ‘millenials’.

I’m fucking surrounded by people that treat feminism as the greatest fascism ever, that BLM is the new KKK and reverse racism is the real epidemic, that all Muslims are terrorist psychopaths, and all sorts of rank shit, and this isn’t even coming from hardcore GOPers, but young, otherwise ostensibly liberal people. I feel like any opinions to the contrary are so rare outside of here and other blogs I go to that everything else is such a goddamn dead end. And with how much a clusterfuck this primary has been, I’ve been sapped of zero hope for any future here, especially with the take I’ve gotten from other ‘millenials’.

I follow because I need to out of habit and worry, but I’ve got zero hope for a more liberal future at this rate.

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Lidane  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:06:01am
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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:06:06am

re: #71 Charles Johnson

Nope. He’s too busy hoping others compare him to MLK.

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jaunte  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:06:08am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

There’s some emotional need (short of cult of personality and greater than enthusiasm) in a subset of voters that appears to have been disappointed by the steady approach of Hillary. Those voters latched on to Bernie as the only viable option and inflated him with all their hopes. Their disappointment is not going to be pretty.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:07:26am

re: #75 jaunte

There’s some emotional need (short of cult of personality and greater than enthusiasm) in a subset of voters that appears to have been disappointed by the steady approach of Hillary. Those voters latched on to Bernie as the only viable option and inflated him with all their hopes. Their disappointment is not going to be pretty.

No, it’s not and honestly I can sympathize. I’ve been in that place before but at the same time, it’s time to look at the big picture here.

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jaunte  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:09:15am

Raining hard again in central Houston.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:09:18am

re: #72 Kryptik

This has characterized almost all the response I’ve seen toward the decision, accompanied in part by nostalgia for how amazing and super-fucking-awesome Jackson was as a president. Almost all by so-called ‘millenials’.

I’m fucking surrounded by people that treat feminism as the greatest fascism ever, that BLM is the new KKK and reverse racism is the real epidemic, that all Muslims are terrorist psychopaths, and all sorts of rank shit, and this isn’t even coming from hardcore GOPers, but young, otherwise ostensibly liberal people. I feel like any opinions to the contrary are so rare outside of here and other blogs I go to that everything else is such a goddamn dead end. And with how much a clusterfuck this primary has been, I’ve been sapped of zero hope for any future here, especially with the take I’ve gotten from other ‘millenials’.

I follow because I need to out of habit and worry, but I’ve got zero hope for a more liberal future at this rate.

I’ve grown more cynical too. How the hell anyone who doesn’t see this as cool news astounds me. Tubman was an amazing woman. I mean it takes a lot of bravery and courage to escape slavery but she not only did that but went back and helped other slaves escape too. I had no problem with Jackson being on the 20 but I’m fine with replacing him with her too.

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Lidane  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:12:36am

re: #77 jaunte

Raining hard again in central Houston.

Stay safe!

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TedStriker  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:13:17am

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well, knock me over with a feather… I was sure the General Assembly would have overridden Haslam’s veto.

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TedStriker  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:14:24am

re: #46 stpaulbear

I think the only reason the Democratic Party let him run at all is because they were embarrassed about Hillary being the only high-profile, viable candidate. They wanted to have at least one more warm body in the race so that it didn’t get boring. Unfortunately, they didn’t move to get things under control when Bernie and his supporters started going rogue.

As has been said here more than once, DWS sucks as DNC chair.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:15:59am

re: #71 Charles Johnson

Shouldn’t Shaun King retract his stupid comment about Chelsea Clinton telling the Daily Beast to accuse him of plagiarism?

(Oh, who am I kidding.)

Has Shaun King pledged his allegiance to the GOP yet?

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Kryptik  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:17:25am

re: #78 HappyWarrior

The casual racism that soaks up everything even in ‘non-political’ internet culture especially has me despondent. Railing against ‘SJWs’, support for Trump, anti-immigration BS, literal Nazi stuff that people try and pass off as ironic and mocking but all too often simply glorifies them without any actual satirical substance to it, the amount of ACTUAL, non-ironic bullshit along this same line, common usage of slurs and fallbacks of ‘free speech’ and ‘safe spaces’ when people actually call them out on this…

It feels like it soaks up everything, and then people turn about and scream about how ‘liberal’ all this bullshit is, just like the usual screaming bullshit about ‘liberal media’, all the while the pendulum for any kind of progress is forcibly swung back the other way so hate constantly and consistently prevails.

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BeachDem  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:17:50am

re: #29 HappyWarrior

What pisses me off honestly about is how condescending this shit is. Democratic voters, I mean actual Democratic voters not asshole lefties who want to use the Democratic Party for their own power favor Clinton overwhelmingly over him. And they just treat these voters, these voters who are loyal Democrats who vote Democratic staunchly like they’re not real Democrats or liberals. You want to know why the DNC hasn’t exactly been nice to you? Well maybe it’s because you treat their base like they’re idiots.

I’ll preface this with I’m not trying to “oldsplain” anything (I know how you hate that) but what also pisses me off is the Berner crap about how the young peeps supporting him must be wooed or they’ll never participate in politics and that if you shatter their enthusiasm (by voting for a candidate who isn’t him) you’ve lost a whole generation.

I feel their pain (not their bern, but their pain.) I, and every other old, was young once. I was in high school when JFK was assassinated, and in college when RFK and MLK were. Talk about shattered dreams. Talk about alienation and disillusionment. Oh, and Vietnam was going on—my classmates might not have had huge college debt, but they were marching off to war, whether they wanted to or not. And, remember, back then you couldn’t even vote until you were 21.

I voted in every election since I could; I’ve worked on campaigns; I’ve been active in Dem party politics. And you know what? Many an election night, I’ve been in tears. Many an election night, I’ve felt angry or depressed or hopeless. But the next day I was back in the fight.

And the only election night I’ve been truly elated and excited was in 2008 (2012 was more a sense of relief.) So to hear the young Berners whine that if Bernie doesn’t get the nomination, they’re out—that the system is rigged against them—that nobody listens to their pleas, I say, “Get in the game if you want to play.”

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Alephnaught  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:18:31am

Hmm, l’ve just caught up with this voter registration business in New York, and it probably explains a reply I got in my normal Twitter timeline to my daily automatic paper.li post.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:20:04am

re: #84 BeachDem

I’ll preface this with I’m not trying to “oldsplain” anything (I know how you hate that) but what also pisses me off is the Berner crap about how the young peeps supporting him must be wooed or they’ll never participate in politics and that if you shatter their enthusiasm (by voting for a candidate who isn’t him) you’ve lost a whole generation.

I feel their pain (not their bern, but their pain.) I, and every other old, was young once. I was in high school when JFK was assassinated, and in college when RFK and MLK were. Talk about shattered dreams. Talk about alienation and disillusionment. Oh, and Vietnam was going on—my classmates might not have had huge college debt, but they were marching off to war, whether they wanted to or not. And, remember, back then you couldn’t even vote until you were 21.

I voted in every election since I could; I’ve worked on campaigns; I’ve been active in Dem party politics. And you know what? Many an election night, I’ve been in tears. Many an election night, I’ve felt angry or depressed or hopeless. But the next day I was back in the fight.

And the only election night I’ve been truly elated and excited was in 2008 (2012 was more a sense of relief.) So to hear the young Berners whine that if Bernie doesn’t get the nomination, they’re out—that the system is rigged against them—that nobody listens to their pleas, I say, “Get in the game if you want to play.”

Nah this was great. Updinged and agreed on all counts.

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wrenchwench  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:21:36am

re: #85 Alephnaught

Hmm, l’ve just caught up with this voter registration business in New York, and it probably explains a reply I got in my normal Twitter timeline to my daily automatic paper.li post.

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Partly explains. I’d have to know the tweeter better than I want to for a fuller explanation.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:21:54am

re: #83 Kryptik

The casual racism that soaks up everything even in ‘non-political’ internet culture especially has me despondent. Railing against ‘SJWs’, support for Trump, anti-immigration BS, literal Nazi stuff that people try and pass off as ironic and mocking but all too often simply glorifies them without any actual satirical substance to it, the amount of ACTUAL, non-ironic bullshit along this same line, common usage of slurs and fallbacks of ‘free speech’ and ‘safe spaces’ when people actually call them out on this…

It feels like it soaks up everything, and then people turn about and scream about how ‘liberal’ all this bullshit is, just like the usual screaming bullshit about ‘liberal media’, all the while the pendulum for any kind of progress is forcibly swung back the other way so hate constantly and consistently prevails.

I see more bitching about college students who have the nerve to be upset about bigotry than actual anger at the actual bigots. I was having a conversation with a cousin the other day, she’s a bit older than me (Gen Xer versus my mlleninal) but we both agreed that a lot racism seems like it’s gotten worse than when she and I were younger. In some ways, I like where we’ve headed as a country but there’s a lot of ugliness still.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:23:44am

re: #85 Alephnaught

Hmm, l’ve just caught up with this voter registration business in New York, and it probably explains a reply I got in my normal Twitter timeline to my daily automatic paper.li post.

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Yeah Hillary personally purged 120,000 voters from the polls. Let’s say everyone of those 120,000 voters goes for Bernie. He still loses New York and Bernie assholes probably still find an excuse that the election was stolen. When are they going to get that not everyone thinks like they do. Clinton won New York. Deal with it already or actually become a campaign that is more than just childish assholes who don’t care about building a lasting coalition.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:25:19am

re: #88 HappyWarrior

I see more bitching about college students who have the nerve to be upset about bigotry than actual anger at the actual bigots. I was having a conversation with a cousin the other day, she’s a bit older than me (Gen Xer versus my mlleninal) but we both agreed that a lot racism seems like it’s gotten worse than when she and I were younger. In some ways, I like where we’ve headed as a country but there’s a lot of ugliness still.

Sadly, electing the first black President seems to have uncovered a lot of racism that had previously been below the level of detection. It’s as if a lot of white people think that once ‘we gave them the White House’, it magically cured everything, and black people would just shut up about racism.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:25:56am

And I’m tired of hearing about well with independents, Bernie does better. Hey, that’s fine but Bernie’s not running to get elected right now, he’s running for the nomination of the Democratic Party. So yeah it is a big deal that Clinton is winning with Democrats and it is legitimate that parties want voters registered with their party to choose their party’s nominee. I wish there was more parties than just the Dems and Republicans too but when you choose to be independent, that’s a risk you choose.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:27:39am

re: #90 Blind Frog Belly White

Sadly, electing the first black President seems to have uncovered a lot of racism that had previously been below the level of detection. It’s as if a lot of white people think that once ‘we gave them the White House’, it magically cured everything, and black people would just shut up about racism.

My thoughts exactly. I don’t think the racism came out of nowhere. It’s always been here just like I think a lot of the things we’ve seen with the police have always happened but the advent of smartphones have made visualizations of these incidents more common, the same is true with racism. Obama’s election uncovered a lot of the racism in our country that never really went away and I think you’ll see the same with sexism if Clinton wins though you’ll see it also declared that sexism is dead too by idiots.

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wrenchwench  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:28:32am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:29:35am

re: #93 wrenchwench

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Putting Tubman on the 20 dollar bill is like rape. //

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Kryptik  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:29:38am

re: #90 Blind Frog Belly White

Sadly, electing the first black President seems to have uncovered a lot of racism that had previously been below the level of detection. It’s as if a lot of white people think that once ‘we gave them the White House’, it magically cured everything, and black people would just shut up about racism.

I know others around here and on the blogs have compared it to lancing a boil and an ugly necessity to eradicating that kind of mindset, but my worry is that, instead of that, it’s a full on resurgence that’s soaking up and soaking through everything else to infect us anew. Mostly because instead of taking a stand against it, most feel like they’re re-embracing this as the face of ‘true’ America, either non-ironically or in the sense of ‘oh, boys will be boys’ apathy and dismissal that allows the non-ironic adopters to flourish.

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Lidane  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:30:45am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:31:36am

re: #96 Lidane

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Ha, good man.

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:32:01am

re: #89 HappyWarrior

They’re whining about the election being stolen because the NYC Board of Elections follows long held rules regarding checking the voter rolls for people who moved, people who failed to vote in 2 consecutive federal elections, and other specified rules.

There was no disenfranchisement here.

People who couldn’t vote because of not switching party affiliation have only themselves to blame for not knowing the NYS rules (and yes, they’re restrictive, but that’s not voter suppression). It’s how/why NYS parties want to prevent outsiders from screwing with their party choices in the state.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:32:21am

re: #91 HappyWarrior

And I’m tired of hearing about well with independents, Bernie does better. Hey, that’s fine but Bernie’s not running to get elected right now, he’s running for the nomination of the Democratic Party. So yeah it is a big deal that Clinton is winning with Democrats and it is legitimate that parties want voters registered with their party to choose their party’s nominee. I wish there was more parties than just the Dems and Republicans too but when you choose to be independent, that’s a risk you choose.

“The nasty Democratic Establishment won’t let me choose their nominee for them!”

Oh, boo-fucking-hoo. Cry me a river.

I’ve personally lost all patience and sympathy for the plight of the poor ‘independent’ voter. I mean fer chrissakes, the differences between the parties could not be more stark. You may not be happy with the Democrats because they’re not liberal enough for you. Fine. But REGISTERING as one won’t cause you to burst into flames, suddenly compromise everything you ever loved. You’re making a pragmatic decision to help choose who the party will nominate, one of two people who have an actual probability of being elected.

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Belafon  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:32:22am

re: #95 Kryptik

I know others around here and on the blogs have compared it to lancing a boil and an ugly necessity to eradicating that kind of mindset, but my worry is that, instead of that, it’s a full on resurgence that’s soaking up and soaking through everything else to infect us anew. Mostly because instead of taking a stand against it, most feel like they’re re-embracing this as the face of ‘true’ America, either non-ironically or in the sense of ‘oh, boys will be boys’ apathy and dismissal that allows the non-ironic adopters to flourish.

We have a choice right now between a woman who seems willing to keep addressing it, a man who thinks it’ll be cured by economics, and a party who embraces it. And the November election will decide how we deal with it.

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Dark_Falcon  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:33:20am

re: #93 wrenchwench

Harriet Tubman on the $20? Nice compliment to Grant on the $50 and it maintains the focus of the currency on the Founding era and on the Civil War and Reconstruction.

My opinion: I approve.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:33:32am

Definition of an ‘assclown’ ahead:

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:34:04am

re: #98 lawhawk

Similar in PA. I have to vote in my party for the primary. For the general election I can vote for whomever I choose. :)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:35:52am

re: #98 lawhawk

They’re whining about the election being stolen because the NYC Board of Elections follows long held rules regarding checking the voter rolls for people who moved, people who failed to vote in 2 consecutive federal elections, and other specified rules.

There was no disenfranchisement here.

People who couldn’t vote because of not switching party affiliation have only themselves to blame for not knowing the NYS rules (and yes, they’re restrictive, but that’s not voter suppression). It’s how/why NYS parties want to prevent outsiders from screwing with their party choices in the state.

Right, that sounds like common procedure to me.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:36:24am

OT I just got my room screen. It is a very nice one.

My Room Screen
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Dark_Falcon  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:36:30am

Pot meets kettle:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:36:31am

re: #95 Kryptik

I know others around here and on the blogs have compared it to lancing a boil and an ugly necessity to eradicating that kind of mindset, but my worry is that, instead of that, it’s a full on resurgence that’s soaking up and soaking through everything else to infect us anew. Mostly because instead of taking a stand against it, most feel like they’re re-embracing this as the face of ‘true’ America, either non-ironically or in the sense of ‘oh, boys will be boys’ apathy and dismissal that allows the non-ironic adopters to flourish.

Like lancing a boil with a dirty needle. Makes the pain go away but can lead to systemic infection that will kill you.

One of my ancestors died from an infection contracted by shaving the head off a boil, according to family legend. Probably still not as bad as my Great Grandfather who was scalded to death by the steam in a locomotive accident - it took a while for him to die

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:37:06am

re: #99 Blind Frog Belly White

“The nasty Democratic Establishment won’t let me choose their nominee for them!”

Oh, boo-fucking-hoo. Cry me a river.

I’ve personally lost all patience and sympathy for the plight of the poor ‘independent’ voter. I mean fer chrissakes, the differences between the parties could not be more stark. You may not be happy with the Democrats because they’re not liberal enough for you. Fine. But REGISTERING as one won’t cause you to burst into flames, suddenly compromise everything you ever loved. You’re making a pragmatic decision to help choose who the party will nominate, one of two people who have an actual probability of being elected.

Right. It’s not as if registering with the Democrats will get you bombarded with mail. The worst that can happen. Jim Hoft finds out and uses it against you and proof that you must be the worst kind of person ever.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:37:49am

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

Pot meets kettle:

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Pretty rich that Glenn loves to throw false accusations himself.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:37:56am

re: #105 PhillyPretzel

OT I just got my room screen. It is a very nice one.

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Needs nylons and negligees thrown over it….

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Kragar  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:38:35am

re: #102 Dr. Matt

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:38:51am

re: #108 HappyWarrior

Right. It’s not as if registering with the Democrats will get you bombarded with mail. The worst that can happen. Jim Hoft finds out and uses it against you and proof that you must be the worst kind of person ever.

But you have to kill a bunch of people first.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:38:55am

re: #110 Blind Frog Belly White

lol. Not this one. It is between my living room and my dining room.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:40:23am

re: #103 PhillyPretzel

Similar in PA. I have to vote in my party for the primary. For the general election I can vote for whomever I choose. :)

I have to admit, I was against the closed primary and honestly I still do prefer an open primary for other offices but for the president, I’ve come to the conclusion that a closed primary is best because the people who are most reliable voters for such and such party should have more say than those who aren’t associated with said party. That is to say, I don’t really feel too bad for the independents who feel disenfranchised by not being able to vote for Bernie in New York state because they have no desire to take part in the Democratic Party and a lot of these people are proving why that system exists by threatening to write Bernie in or to vote Jill Stein. So way to go guys, you’re proving why the primary is closed in the first place.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:40:46am

re: #112 Blind Frog Belly White

But you have to kill a bunch of people first.

I knew there was a catch. //

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:41:08am

re: #102 Dr. Matt

In my lifetime, I’ve never seen a candidate like Hillary ignite so many people, except maybe Obama.
//

I’d have to look back at the voter tallies between 2008 and now.

According to Wiki, about 18 million voted for Obama in the primaries (and roughly a similar number for Hillary back then).

Bernie’s behind Hillary by a couple million votes at this point, and he’s way off the pace set by Obama in 2008 (by every metric).

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stpaulbear  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:41:29am

re: #113 PhillyPretzel

lol. Not this one. It is between my living room and my dining room.

What do you have against watching people eat?
//

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Dark_Falcon  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:41:34am

Bernie Sanders could take several lessons from Ronald Reagan, lessons such as setting goals within the limits of the possible and building a winning coalition.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:41:35am

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

GG, Shaun King, Thom Hartmann, and Ben Norton are going to form a Pity Party to finally take down the establishment.

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Brian J.  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:43:00am

re: #102 Dr. Matt

Definition of an ‘assclown’ ahead:

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Hey now, I think it’s important that we know there’s a pyromaniac at large.

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stpaulbear  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:43:47am

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:44:21am

re: #119 Dr. Matt

GG, Shaun King, Thom Hartmann, and Ben Norton are going to form a Pity Party to finally take down the establishment.

I’m waiting for that day when they become the establishment they so despise just so they can have people bitching at them. What a lot of people bellyaching about the Clintons ignore is that Bill and Hillary worked very hard to get where they are now. They act as if the Clintons just took the Democratic party hostage and the people of the Democratic Party have been waiting for a white knight to ride in and save them.

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Brian J.  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:45:10am

re: #116 lawhawk

In my lifetime, I’ve never seen a candidate like Hillary ignite so many people, except maybe Obama.
//

I’d have to look back at the voter tallies between 2008 and now.

According to Wiki, about 18 million voted for Obama in the primaries (and roughly a similar number for Hillary back then).

Bernie’s behind Hillary by a couple million votes at this point, and he’s way off the pace set by Obama in 2008 (by every metric).

The Green Papers has this as the popular vote tally to date:

Hillary Clinton 10,496,503
Donald Trump 8,794,954
Bernard Sanders 7,819,653
Ted Cruz 6,451,662
Marco Rubio 3,486,348
John Kasich 3,204,450 (Yes, sixth in a five-person race)

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jaunte  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:46:15am
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Dark_Falcon  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:47:17am

re: #119 Dr. Matt

GG, Shaun King, Thom Hartmann, and Ben Norton are going to form a Pity Party to finally take down the establishment.

Dudebros like that don’t actually want to ‘take down the establishment’ because if you do that then the only alternative to a chaos they don’t really want is to become the new establishment. And that means you have to take off your “Feel The Bern” or “Make America Great Again” baseball cap and hang it on the coat hanger, put your rally signs in the closet, and then sit down at your desk and try to actually figure out doable solutions for the country. And that’s just too hard for the dudebros.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:47:58am

re: #124 jaunte

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Exactly. Crowd size and enthusiasm convinced Mitt Romney he couldn’t lose.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:48:06am

re: #123 Brian J.

The Green Papers has this as the popular vote tally to date:

Hillary Clinton 10,496,503
Donald Trump 8,794,954
Bernard Sanders 7,819,653
Ted Cruz 6,451,662
Marco Rubio 3,486,348
John Kasich 3,204,450 (Yes, sixth in a five-person race)

I see them constantly say “Well Obama didn’t win state so and so either” and yes it’s true that Obama didn’t win New York or some of the other states that Clinton has won but it’s also true that Obama had a strong base. Bernie’s base? I’m sorry to scoff like this but it’s overwhelmingly white. He could get away with that if he were a Republican but in a party as diverse as the Democrats, he can’t. Michigan was probably the most diverse primary he’s won and that was really close and I think he got aided by some dumb Democrats voting Rubio or Kasich to “stop” Trump.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:48:37am

Makes no shit what’s on a twenty, if you haven’t got a twenty.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:49:29am

re: #124 jaunte

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Sorry, Harry, it’s not happening. I mean it’s nice that Bernie can get the crowds. Hell, I’d love to see him speak and see what it’s all about but that doesn’t mean I’m going to vote for him. In the end, Bernie had to prove a few things to me and that was that he was merely more than someone who has a good Congressional record. He hasn’t done that and that’s why he did not get my vote.

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Brian J.  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:50:18am

re: #127 HappyWarrior

I see them constantly say “Well Obama didn’t win state so and so either” and yes it’s true that Obama didn’t win New York or some of the other states that Clinton has won but it’s also true that Obama had a strong base. Bernie’s base? I’m sorry to scoff like this but it’s overwhelmingly white. He could get away with that if he were a Republican but in a party as diverse as the Democrats, he can’t. Michigan was probably the most diverse primary he’s won and that was really close and I think he got aided by some dumb Democrats voting Rubio or Kasich to “stop” Trump.

It’s heavily white, it’s very young, it’s disproportionately male, and it’s only weakly affiliated to any political party or set of beliefs. In other words, it’s not a base any politician or party could reliably build around because of the lack of commitment to any principle.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:50:55am

re: #128 Decatur Deb

Makes no shit what’s on a twenty, if you haven’t got a twenty.

And, honestly, even if you do, as long as it wasn’t put there in somebody’s basement.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:53:44am

re: #130 Brian J.

It’s heavily white, it’s very young, it’s disproportionately male, and it’s only weakly affiliated to any political party or set of beliefs. In other words, it’s not a base any politician or party could reliably build around because of the lack of commitment to any principle.

Hadn’t even thought about the gender parts. It’s just not a lasting coalition. They had ample time to build a coalition and as far I’m concerned they failed. Frankly, I think Bernie was a terrible choice for a “revolution.” I hate to bring his age into it but bear with me, if Bernie was elected, he’d be the same age Reagan was halfway through his final term and while I think Bernie’s mental health is still strong unlike Reagan’s was towards the end of his presidency, the age is an issue and then there’s his state. Vermont even in the past would have been a state that is totally different from the other states in this country. I was reading today that Vermont is 94% non-Hispanic white. 94%. Again not knocking Vermont but even a Brooklyn born and raised Vermonter doesn’t understand the complex issues facing Americans of various cultural backgrounds.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:54:37am

re: #118 Dark_Falcon

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Bernie Sanders could take several lessons from Ronald Reagan, lessons such as setting goals within the limits of the possible and building a winning coalition.

And they would have gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for you meddling kids grown-ups.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2016 • 11:57:28am

The liberal wing of the Democratic party needs leaders for sure. But if Bernie has some of their greatest gifts i.e. a genuine desire to improve the lot of every man, woman, and child in this country, he also has a weakness that leaders of the past have not and that’s pragmatism. Ted Kennedy could work across party lines. Bernie’s shown that it’s hard for him to work with even moderates of his own party.

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sagehen  Apr 20, 2016 • 12:06:26pm

re: #72 Kryptik

This has characterized almost all the response I’ve seen toward the decision, accompanied in part by nostalgia for how amazing and super-fucking-awesome Jackson was as a president. Almost all by so-called ‘millenials’.

and this isn’t even coming from hardcore GOPers, but young, otherwise ostensibly liberal people

Sounds like somebody needs a little refresher on the Indian Removal Act and the Trail of Tears.

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sagehen  Apr 20, 2016 • 12:13:37pm

re: #99 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve personally lost all patience and sympathy for the plight of the poor ‘independent’ voter. I mean fer chrissakes, the differences between the parties could not be more stark. You may not be happy with the Democrats because they’re not liberal enough for you. Fine. But REGISTERING as one won’t cause you to burst into flames, suddenly compromise everything you ever loved.

All those purity pony Independents and Greens and Working Families and whatever the hell else who can’t stoop to join the Democratic Party because it’s not as liberal as they’d like… has nobody explained to them that THEM REFUSING TO JOIN THE PARTY IS EXACTLY WHY IT’S NOT AS LIBERAL AS THEY’D LIKE.

Bold and all caps is as far as we can go here; consider it also double-underlined.


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