Image of the Day: NASA Honors Prince

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Image credit: ESA/Herschel/PACS/MESS Key Programme Supernova Remnant Team; NASA, ESA and Allison Loll/Jeff Hester (Arizona State University)

NASA’s Twitter account posted this image from the Hubble Space Telescope today, in honor of Prince.

This image shows a composite view of the Crab nebula, an iconic supernova remnant in our Milky Way galaxy, as viewed by the Herschel Space Observatory and the Hubble Space Telescope. Herschel is a European Space Agency (ESA) mission with important NASA contributions, and Hubble is a NASA mission with important ESA contributions.

A wispy and filamentary cloud of gas and dust, the Crab nebula is the remnant of a supernova explosion that was observed by Chinese astronomers in the year 1054.

The image combines Hubble’s view of the nebula at visible wavelengths, obtained using three different filters sensitive to the emission from oxygen and sulphur ions and is shown here in blue. Herschel’s far-infrared image reveals the emission from dust in the nebula and is shown here in red.

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Great White Snark Apr 21, 2016 • 9:50:43pm

“Today NASA honored Prince with a Crab Salad…”
Wolf Blitzer
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Don Lemon Tells Viewers his Favorite Prince Song is ‘Head’; Wolf Blitzer Confuses ‘Purple Rain’ With ‘Purple Haze’ (WATCH)
Read more at eurweb.com

Two for two CNN.

klys (maker of Silmarils) Apr 21, 2016 • 10:18:16pm

Lets plant catnip, he said. It prevents mosquitoes, he said. What could go wrong, he said. #cats pic.twitter.com/5bQjAHlrpi

— EvilChrisPriestly (@TheEvilChris) April 21, 2016

KingKenrod Apr 21, 2016 • 10:29:16pm

A recommendation for overnight listening.

In 1998 James McNew (@dumpland), the bass player for indie band Yo La Tengo, released an album of Prince covers called That Skinny Motherfucker with the High Voice? (named from a self-referential Prince lyric in the obscure song “Bob George”). The release was a strictly lo-fi, self-recorded, self-produced affair, with each cover song a unique, sometimes twisted version of the original.

Small problem: McNew didn’t get permission for any of the covers. Maybe he was hoping it would fly under the radar. No such luck; Prince sued, and as part of the settlement McNew had to personally go to record stores that were carrying the album and buy it back.

I love Prince, and McNew, so the album is one of my favorites. It’s hard to find ($300 on Amazon) but all the tunes are all on Youtube (unlike most Prince originals).

One of my many favorites:

Dump - Pop Life

darthstar Apr 21, 2016 • 10:32:13pm

Flying on the red eye to JFK so I can help my MIL move to California. Got to the airport and forgot about a knife in my pocket. Tried stashing it in my carryon and got caught. Had to run it back to the car (not far as I parked in hourly) and go through security a second time…that took another 15 minutes. Worst part? I missed the closing of the bookstore by 10 minutes. So I hope they have good movies to put me to sleep on the plane.

TSA is still a shit-show 15 years after 9/11. Everyone has to go through the scanner - unless the line piles up, then they wave a dozen people through the old fashioned metal detector and ignore any bells that go off. Totally fucking random.

Eclectic Cyborg Apr 21, 2016 • 10:48:08pm

Somewhat related: I miss my grandfather dearly. Though I was fortunate to get many years with him, his loss has still left a void in my life even 5 years on.

One of the things I am eternally grateful to him for is instilling in me from a young age a love of astronomy. I just think our galaxy and universe are so fucking cool and I follow all kinds of NASA and SpaceX stuff. It really astounds me what kind of things are out there in deep space. I hope to see the first manned missions to Mars occur in my lifetime. That will be a moment for the ages. Like the Moon landing for a whole new era.

This love of astronomy is also I’m sure at least partially to blame for my love of sci-fi movies as well.

In any event: Amazing nebula, Amazing singer, Amazing tribute.

klys (maker of Silmarils) Apr 21, 2016 • 10:49:09pm

re: #4 darthstar

My last experience at SFO security, we got in our line, checked IDs, then just placed the bags on the x-ray after making sure nothing was in our pockets and walked through the old-style metal detectors. Collected our bags and on our way. Through in 5 minutes. Same in Orlando.

Guaranteed PreCheck is a hell of a thing.

Joe Bacon Apr 21, 2016 • 11:03:04pm

re: #4 darthstar

Flying on the red eye to JFK so I can help my MIL move to California. Got to the airport and forgot about a knife in my pocket. Tried stashing it in my carryon and got caught. Had to run it back to the car (not far as I parked in hourly) and go through security a second time…that took another 15 minutes. Worst part? I missed the closing of the bookstore by 10 minutes. So I hope they have good movies to put me to sleep on the plane.

TSA is still a shit-show 15 years after 9/11. Everyone has to go through the scanner - unless the line piles up, then they wave a dozen people through the old fashioned metal detector and ignore any bells that go off. Totally fucking random.

I know the feeling when I have to fly out of LAX. It was a refreshing change when I rode Amtrak’s Coast Starlight back in January. No long lines, no taking off the shoes and it was so nice to have decent meals going from LA to Oakland and back…

Charles Johnson Apr 21, 2016 • 11:42:37pm

And now, your Chuck C. Johnson WTF moment of the day. pic.twitter.com/t0Aw8fQpSs

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) April 22, 2016

Timothy Watson Apr 22, 2016 • 1:31:44am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

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Word Salad: A sure sign of your intellectual superior.

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freetoken Apr 22, 2016 • 1:38:59am

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Ming5000 Apr 22, 2016 • 2:10:12am

re: #10 freetoken

I think it worked! Everybody disappeared.

Ming5000 Apr 22, 2016 • 2:28:32am

Powerline is not discussed here on LGF as much as Breitbart. Powerline pops up on Memeorandum more than Breitbart and seems to be considered more mainstream, IMHO. And they have that John Hinderaker guy.

In this gem they do the thing where you troll for the most radical statement from the opposite wing and broadbrush the whole wing with the smear.
Here they quote “Feminista Jones”, for example, who is not anti-Tubman, but anti-CAPITALISM. Sheesh.

Tubman didn’t respect America’s economic system, so making her a symbol of it would be insulting.

American capitalism historically has been used to oppress and disenfranchise women and people of color…

Ming5000 Apr 22, 2016 • 2:36:30am

Do any other pet owners out there have a “door closin’ stick” in the bathroom?
I feel the need almost every morning.

Teukka Apr 22, 2016 • 3:03:52am

Making waves this side of the pond:
Expo: Over two million euros in EU subsidies granted to fascists

Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Apr 22, 2016 • 3:40:36am

re: #12 Ming5000

Forget Harriet Tubman! Let’s put Prince on the new $20 dollar bill and then devalue it by one cent and party like it’s 19.99!!!

Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Apr 22, 2016 • 3:49:43am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

It takes a particular commitment to bigotry to insist that human intelligence is something that can be measured absolutely and comparatively based on the result of written or laboratory tests.

wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Apr 22, 2016 • 3:51:26am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

The first part about the “dumb” Puerto Ricans is as wrong as it is racist. (See below.) The second part is totally WTF. I think he’s trying to be sarcastic, but the sentence syntax is so convoluted it’s hard to say what he means.

From my post at GotNwes:

EDITORS NOTE: The PISA scores that VDare writer Steve Sailer “uncovered,” like it was some kind of state secret concealed in a Wikileaks dump, are the 2012 mathematics, science and reading scores for 15-year-olds in Puerto Rico, freely available here. (PDF) PISA stands for Program for International Student Assessment, which was administered in the Commonwealth for the first time in 2012 as part of a research study. The findings of that study were released in 2014, because scientific analysis takes somewhat longer than writing half-assed blog posts.

And yeah, the scores were low. But, despite all the hand-waving “human biodiversity” argle-bargle Sailer and Johnson may spout, PISA scores are not an indication of IQ or intelligence. Rather, they measure the quality of education and the retention of that education by the students being tested.

The Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) is a system of international assessments that allows countries to compare outcomes of learning as students near the end of compulsory schooling.

(Draft report, page 6, line 50ff)

Ain’t nothing there about intelligence or IQ scores. Johnson is just being his usual racist self. He can’t help it.

Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Apr 22, 2016 • 3:53:22am

re: #17 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

IQ testing can be a tool for assessing and comparing relative strengths and weaknesses in groups and/or individuals, but it is certainly not any reasonable basis for an ideology.

wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Apr 22, 2016 • 4:05:03am

re: #18 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

IQ testing can be a tool for assessing and comparing relative strengths and weaknesses in groups and/or individuals, but it is certainly not any reasonable basis for an ideology.

Rage Furby has taken the conclusions on The Bell Curve and expanded them to a geopolitical scale. This seems to be a common thread among “human biodiversity” ideologues.

Perhaps he doesn’t realize that the majority of puertoriqueños are of European extraction, which would tend to disprove his “whites are smarter” notion. en.wikipedia.org

The PISA scores only indicate PR’s educational system needs improvement, not that its entire population is inherently dumber than any other nation’s.

Teukka Apr 22, 2016 • 4:55:13am

re: #15 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Forget Harriet Tubman! Let’s put Prince on the new $20 dollar bill and then devalue it by one cent and party like it’s 19.99!!!

*groans*

BeenHereAwhile Apr 22, 2016 • 5:09:24am

-Bomani Jones-

Why there will never be another Prince:

(Wish I could write like this)

[…] He was a singular tour de force, using each of his albums to defy silly record-store categories. He could be as energetic and defiant as James Brown, as traditionally masculine as Teddy Pendergrass, as unbounded as David Bowie, as vulnerable as Marvin Gaye, as insightful as Paul Simon and as electric as Michael Jackson. At the same damn time.[…]

t.co

Dr. Matt Apr 22, 2016 • 5:13:39am

Niagara Falls turned purple the day of Prince’s death https://t.co/1VyQvGNCgb

— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) April 22, 2016

Dr. Matt Apr 22, 2016 • 5:20:21am

Iframe

Facebook Video

Facebook is enslaving people and Zuckerman is a fascist so Rage Furby is going to take his ball and go ~~stay~~ home!

The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Apr 22, 2016 • 5:26:16am

re: #23 Dr. Matt

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Facebook is enslaving people and Zuckerman is a fascist so Rage Furby is going to take his ball and go ~~stay~~ home!

Why I’m not going to be participating in Facebook the way I once did. It’s not free & I don’t want to participate in a system that kicks me off for peacefully using my free speech.

He misspelled “freeze peach”.

Timothy Watson Apr 22, 2016 • 5:35:18am

re: #23 Dr. Matt

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Facebook is enslaving people and Zuckerman is a fascist so Rage Furby is going to take his ball and go ~~stay~~ home!

As much as I am loathe to quote Atlas Shrugs, I always I enjoyed this quote when I read about half of the book when I was younger:

“But don’t I have any freedom of speech?”

“In your own house. Not in mine.”

“Don’t I have a right to my own ideas?

“At your own expense. Not at mine.”

“Don’t you tolerate any differences of opinion?”

“Not when I’m paying the bills.”

wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Apr 22, 2016 • 5:35:58am

re: #23 Dr. Matt

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Facebook is enslaving people and Zuckerman is a fascist so Rage Furby is going to take his ball and go ~~stay~~ home!

Yeah, whatever. I give him a month, and he’ll be back on FB again with his BS. WeSearchr is moribund and his blog is increasingly a journalistic mess.

Facebook is “enslaving people”! LOL Maybe he should sue them, too, like he has Twitter.

Oh, wait ..

Backwoods_Sleuth Apr 22, 2016 • 5:41:11am

Friday hugs..🐵💗 pic.twitter.com/VdVBcaaSEN

— Marie (@pintsize73) April 22, 2016

Dr. Matt Apr 22, 2016 • 5:42:02am

re: #26 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Yeah, whatever. I give him a month, and he’ll be back on FB again with his BS. WeSearchr is moribund and his blog is increasingly a journalistic mess.

Facebook is “enslaving people”! LOL Maybe he should sue them, too, like he has Twitter.

Oh, wait ..

He’s going to spend the next month obsessing over twitter and facebook while he continues to toil in obscurity on his lousy website.

Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Apr 22, 2016 • 5:42:52am

re: #28 Dr. Matt

He’s going to spend the next month obsessing over twitter and facebook while he continues to toil in obscurity on his lousy website.

I am looking forward to him becoming so obscure that he no longer warrants mention on this or any other website…

Backwoods_Sleuth Apr 22, 2016 • 5:43:20am

re: #26 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Yeah, whatever. I give him a month, and he’ll be back on FB again with his BS. WeSearchr is moribund and his blog is increasingly a journalistic mess.

Facebook is “enslaving people”! LOL Maybe he should sue them, too, like he has Twitter.

Oh, wait ..

Pretty sure that his 30-day FB suspension is over sometime next week.

Dr. Matt Apr 22, 2016 • 5:45:06am

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pretty sure that his 30-day FB suspension is over sometime next week.

He’s already back:

Facebook Post

The Engineer Lobuno Apr 22, 2016 • 5:48:51am

re: #3 KingKenrod

A recommendation for overnight listening.

In 1998 James McNew (@dumpland), the bass player for indie band Yo La Tengo, released an album of Prince covers called That Skinny Motherfucker with the High Voice? (named from a self-referential Prince lyric in the obscure song “Bob George”). The release was a strictly lo-fi, self-recorded, self-produced affair, with each cover song a unique, sometimes twisted version of the original.

Small problem: McNew didn’t get permission for any of the covers. Maybe he was hoping it would fly under the radar. No such luck; Prince sued, and as part of the settlement McNew had to personally go to record stores that were carrying the album and buy it back.

I love Prince, and McNew, so the album is one of my favorites. It’s hard to find ($300 on Amazon) but all the tunes are all on Youtube (unlike most Prince originals).

One of my many favorites:

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AFAIK, Prince never allowed others to cover his songs. He’s the only artist to say no to Weird Al consistently.

Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Apr 22, 2016 • 5:49:40am

re: #32 The Engineer Lobuno

AFAIK, Prince never allowed others to cover his songs. He’s the only artist to say no to Weird Al consistently.

Yes, he was a bit of a hard-nose about that.

Timothy Watson Apr 22, 2016 • 5:53:24am

re: #33 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Yes, he was a bit of a hard-nose about that.

Yeah, I remember a story about him sending a DMCA notice to YouTube complaining about a mother who posted a video of her kid singing one of his songs.

Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Apr 22, 2016 • 5:58:39am

re: #34 Timothy Watson

Yeah, I remember a story about him sending a DMCA notice to YouTube complaining about a mother who posted a video of her kid singing one of his songs.

Sounds like he had some serious lawyers representing him.

Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Apr 22, 2016 • 5:58:41am

re: #12 Ming5000

Powerline is not discussed here on LGF as much as Breitbart. Powerline pops up on Memeorandum more than Breitbart and seems to be considered more mainstream, IMHO. And they have that John Hinderaker guy.

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In this gem they do the thing where you troll for the most radical statement from the opposite wing and broadbrush the whole wing with the smear.
Here they quote “Feminista Jones”, for example, who is not anti-Tubman, but anti-CAPITALISM. Sheesh.

Wow, almost forgot what a bunch of dIckwads they are over at Powerline.

SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN Apr 22, 2016 • 6:04:41am

I never really related to Prince’s music. Admittedly I didn’t hear a whole heck of a lot of it. Was never impressed with the singles and actually found them annoying, so that probably had a lot to do with my indifference. When I kept hearing what a brilliant musician he was, all I could think of were the dozen or so singles that don’t show much brilliance at all. That “amazing guitar solo” where he supposedly shows up all the classic rock “gods” was a lame performance by all involved. There’s no point in shredding during “While My Guitar Gently Weeps”. In fact, anybody who does loses points with me. The guitar should be weeping, not preening. You know, like is says in the FREAKING TITLE??? I am open to examples, but for me to randomly click on songs I don’t know makes it really hard to find good examples. One minute I have power ballad, the next a percussion laden funkfest simply because I don’t know where to look.

Timothy Watson Apr 22, 2016 • 6:17:20am

re: #35 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Here’s a Wikipedia page about it, the appeals court ruled against Universal which was acting on his behalf:
en.wikipedia.org.

Timothy Watson Apr 22, 2016 • 6:21:01am

One of these days, I am going to be able to remind how to do a line break in a cell in Excel without having to look it up.

It’s Alt + Enter if everyone is interested. I always think it’s Shift + Enter.

Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Apr 22, 2016 • 6:23:18am

Was going to listen to Prince’s Let’s Go Crazy on Amazon Prime only to discover that it’s no longer available.

Not cool, Amazon.

(shakes fist)

Belafon Apr 22, 2016 • 6:24:20am

re: #38 Timothy Watson

Interesting read. I thought this was particularly important:

Importantly, the court viewed fair use not as a valid excuse to otherwise infringing conduct but rather as not infringement in the first place. “Because 17 U.S.C. § 107[10] created a type of non-infringing use, fair use is ‘authorized by the law’ and a copyright holder must consider the existence of fair use before sending a takedown notification under § 512(c).”[1]

The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Apr 22, 2016 • 6:29:17am

Phyllis Schlafly Says Michele Bachmann Too Stupid To Be New Phyllis Schlafly

Conservative All-Mother Phyllis Schlafly (yes, she’s still alive, stop being so surprised!) revealed Wednesday in an interview with Alex Jones that, in the continuing mishegas over control of the Eagle Forum, the rightwing group she founded, she once considered naming Michele Bachmann as her designated successor. Ultimately, however, she decided against it because Bachmann is too big a fucking moron even for Phyllis Schlafly.

Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Apr 22, 2016 • 6:36:39am

Maryland, My Maryland:

Hillary Clinton is well positioned to win Maryland’s Democratic primary election next week, according to a new poll that shows her holding big leads with every voting group in the state.

A Monmouth University survey shows that 57 percent of likely Democratic voters support Mrs. Clinton in Maryland while just 32 percent back Senator Bernie Sanders, her opponent for the party’s nomination. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 6 percentage points.

Not really surprising. More like a Southern state demographically.

The same Monmouth poll also shows Van Hollen with a 52-36 lead over Edwards for the Senate seat being vacated by Barb Mikulski. Edwards had been leading in the Senate primary.

On another note, I received my Maryland sample ballot last week. Weirdly, it allows me to vote for Sanders or Clinton directly, then offers me a selection of candidates for convention delegate identified by candidate. So, I could vote for HRC while voting for Sanders convention delegates. Or visa versa. Hadn’t noticed this before.

Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Apr 22, 2016 • 6:39:05am

re: #40 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Was going to listen to Prince’s Let’s Go Crazy on Amazon Prime only to discover that it’s no longer available.

Not cool, Amazon.

(shakes fist)

Not sure I like it enough to buy it.

Eric The Fruit Bat Apr 22, 2016 • 6:40:33am

re: #26 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I see CCJ is back speaking Furbish again…..

The Engineer Lobuno Apr 22, 2016 • 6:40:37am

re: #34 Timothy Watson

Yeah, I remember a story about him sending a DMCA notice to YouTube complaining about a mother who posted a video of her kid singing one of his songs.

I thought that was the RIAA doing, not Prince’s.

Backwoods_Sleuth Apr 22, 2016 • 6:41:13am

re: #43 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Maryland, My Maryland:

Not really surprising. More like a Southern state demographically.

The same Monmouth poll also shows Van Hollen with a 52-36 lead over Edwards for the Senate seat being vacated by Barb Mikulski. Edwards had been leading in the Senate primary.

On another note, I received my Maryland sample ballot last week. Weirdly, it allows me to vote for Sanders or Clinton directly, then offers me a selection of candidates for convention delegate identified by candidate. So, I could vote for HRC while voting for Sanders convention delegates. Or visa versa. Hadn’t noticed this before.

Not so weird. It’s like that in several states, which certain GOP presidential candidates have come to belatedly learn, much to their chagrin.

HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 6:42:10am

re: #42 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Phyllis Schlafly Says Michele Bachmann Too Stupid To Be New Phyllis Schlafly

Maybe the Eagle Forum will die with Phyillis. We can only hope.

HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 6:43:09am

re: #43 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Maryland, My Maryland:

Not really surprising. More like a Southern state demographically.

The same Monmouth poll also shows Van Hollen with a 52-36 lead over Edwards for the Senate seat being vacated by Barb Mikulski. Edwards had been leading in the Senate primary.

On another note, I received my Maryland sample ballot last week. Weirdly, it allows me to vote for Sanders or Clinton directly, then offers me a selection of candidates for convention delegate identified by candidate. So, I could vote for HRC while voting for Sanders convention delegates. Or visa versa. Hadn’t noticed this before.

If you don’t mind me asking, who do you prefer out of Van Hollen and Edwards? There really isn’t much ideological difference between the two.

Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Apr 22, 2016 • 6:46:52am

re: #49 HappyWarrior

If you don’t mind me asking, who do you prefer out of Van Hollen and Edwards? There really isn’t much ideological difference between the two.

Van Hollen.

Ironically, Edwards’ campaign is making a great case for how moderate and bipartisan Van Hollen is, which should help in the general election.

Timothy Watson Apr 22, 2016 • 6:47:46am

re: #50 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Van Hollen.

Ironically, Edwards’ campaign is making a great case for how moderate and bipartisan Van Hollen is, which should help in the general election.

Didn’t the White House tell off the Edwards camp for lying about Van Hollen’s support of gun control?

Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Apr 22, 2016 • 6:48:34am

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not so weird. It’s like that in several states, which certain GOP presidential candidates have come to belatedly learn, much to their chagrin.

OK, thanks. Haven’t paid much attention to it before. I assumed the election of convention delegates functioned much like the presidential electoral college, where the selection of a candidate is the selection of the slate of electors for that candidate.

HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 6:49:10am

re: #51 Timothy Watson

Didn’t the White House tell off the Edwards camp for lying about Van Hollen’s support of gun control?

If they did, I missed that.

HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 6:49:51am

re: #50 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Van Hollen.

Ironically, Edwards’ campaign is making a great case for how moderate and bipartisan Van Hollen is, which should help in the general election.

It’s my understanding Van Hollen is solidly liberal but a great team player. The kind of attribute you want in a Senator. I’d be damned if this race doesn’t have parallels to another race.

Timothy Watson Apr 22, 2016 • 6:50:37am

re: #53 HappyWarrior

If they did, I missed that.

politico.com

Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Apr 22, 2016 • 6:52:08am

re: #51 Timothy Watson

Didn’t the White House tell off the Edwards camp for lying about Van Hollen’s support of gun control?

More or less, yes. I think the WH framed it as a distortion of Van Hollen’s record or of the particular bill in question.

Van Hollen is a pretty vocal gun-control advocate, so it’s a strange criticism from Edwards. Guess she was hoping to undermine what is perceived to be a key aspect of his record.

HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 6:53:26am

re: #55 Timothy Watson

politico.com

Thanks.

HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 6:54:59am

re: #56 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

More or less, yes. I think the WH framed it as a distortion of Van Hollen’s record or of the particular bill in question.

Van Hollen is a pretty vocal gun-control advocate, so it’s a strange criticism from Edwards. Guess she was hoping to undermine what is perceived to be a key aspect of his record.

Yeah I heard about the ad itself and thought it was quite odd. From what I hear, Van Hollen is excellent on constituent services and Edwards considerably less so and that’s why some of the people I know in Maryland prefer him to her. The two have very similar records. Maryland would be lucky to have both.

Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Apr 22, 2016 • 6:55:15am

re: #50 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Van Hollen.

Ironically, Edwards’ campaign is making a great case for how moderate and bipartisan Van Hollen is, which should help in the general election.

Although I am a little surprised at the gap Van Hollen has opened up over Edwards in the Monmouth poll. Other polls have shown a closer race or Edwards ahead. But the gun-ad snafu might have shifted things.

The Ghost of a Flea Apr 22, 2016 • 6:56:29am

re: #42 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They’re the way they are because they accepted the premises she laid out. They’ve embedded it in their identity so deeply that they can’t conceive of it requiring self-reflection, and believe it so intensely that they aren’t interested in varnishing it with rhetoric.

Michelle Bachmann is the product of Phyliis Schafly’s worldview.

HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 6:57:16am

re: #60 The Ghost of a Flea

They’re the way they are because they accepted the premises she laid out. They’ve embedded it in their identity so deeply that they can’t conceive of it requiring self-reflection, and believe it so intensely that they aren’t interested in varnishing it with rhetoric.

Michelle Bachmann is the product of Phyliis Schafly’s worldview.

More or less an extension of what you said last night about the NRO which let me say again was awesome.

The Engineer Lobuno Apr 22, 2016 • 7:00:48am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

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The Rage Furby knows what to do with a rusty spike, right?

KingKenrod Apr 22, 2016 • 7:03:33am

re: #40 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Was going to listen to Prince’s Let’s Go Crazy on Amazon Prime only to discover that it’s no longer available.

Not cool, Amazon.

(shakes fist)

I think Prince recently signed a deal with Tidal that removed his music from all other services.

wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Apr 22, 2016 • 7:16:58am

re: #45 Eric The Fruit Bat

I see CCJ is back speaking Furbish again…..

His mind is slipping ever further down the hate-hole. In his new Facebook video, he proudly shows the audience one of his favorite posters — one from white-ruled Rhodesia.

re: #62 The Engineer Lobuno

The Rage Furby knows what to do with a rusty spike, right?

Maybe he has finally realized that he can’t say any damned thing he wants to say on forums he doesn’t own himself. So, his blog will probably get even more extreme as time goes on.

LOL. He pimped his new venture, WeSearchr, in the video. That’s the project with Pax Dickinson, which seems to have extortion as its business model.

The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Apr 22, 2016 • 7:17:27am

re: #63 KingKenrod

I think Prince recently signed a deal with Tidal that removed his music from all other services.

True.

Apple honors Prince on Twitter, Tidal takes opportunity to push exclusive streaming catalog

HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 7:18:30am

re: #64 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

His mind is slipping ever further down the hate-hole. In his new Facebook video, he proudly shows the audience one of his favorite posters — one from white-ruled Rhodesia.

Maybe he has finally realized that he can’t say any damned thing he wants to say on forums he doesn’t own himself. So, his blog will probably get even more extreme as time goes on.

LOL. He pimped his new venture, WeSearchr, in the video. That’s the project with Pax Dickinson, which seems to have extortion as its business model.

The Rhodesian flag was why we thought Dylann Roof, the South Carolina mass shooter may have been a child of Afrikanners. Not surprised at all to see Chucky extolling the values of Ian Smith’s Rhodesia. That little pipshit has never met a racist regime he hasn’t liked.

makeitstop Apr 22, 2016 • 7:19:10am

re: #3 KingKenrod

A recommendation for overnight listening.

In 1998 James McNew (@dumpland), the bass player for indie band Yo La Tengo, released an album of Prince covers called That Skinny Motherfucker with the High Voice? (named from a self-referential Prince lyric in the obscure song “Bob George”). The release was a strictly lo-fi, self-recorded, self-produced affair, with each cover song a unique, sometimes twisted version of the original.

Small problem: McNew didn’t get permission for any of the covers. Maybe he was hoping it would fly under the radar. No such luck; Prince sued, and as part of the settlement McNew had to personally go to record stores that were carrying the album and buy it back.

I love Prince, and McNew, so the album is one of my favorites. It’s hard to find ($300 on Amazon) but all the tunes are all on Youtube (unlike most Prince originals).

I never knew that album existed! I’ll have to check it out later.

Oddly, ‘Bob George’ was one of Prince’s songs that I had the urge to hear yesterday - his harmonized voice and the lyrics always cracked me up, as violent as they were. I’ll have to go dig out my copy of ‘The Black Album’ in order to hear it, though.

makeitstop Apr 22, 2016 • 7:24:22am

re: #35 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Sounds like he had some serious lawyers representing him.

He had a problem with YouTube’s payout system for songs, and you can’t really blame him. After the whole Warner Brothers fiasco (which prompted the name change to the sardonic ‘The Artist’), he became pre-occupied with getting paid for his stuff. That’s when the massive takedowns started - and that’s a model that both The Beatles’ management and the Hendrix estate are following now on Youtube. You’ll notice that most of the original Beatles and Hendrix recordings are impossible to fine nowadays.

wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Apr 22, 2016 • 7:25:02am

re: #66 HappyWarrior

The Rhodesian flag was why we thought Dylann Roof, the South Carolina mass shooter may have been a child of Afrikanners. Not surprised at all to see Chucky extolling the values of Ian Smith’s Rhodesia. That little pipshit has never met a racist regime he hasn’t liked.

He showed off the posters in his home office: Rhodesia army recruitment, Solzhenitsyn (?!), the Tianan’men Tank Man, and a couple of others that I forget now. The room has that echoey sound that an empty room has. He kept running his hand over his hair in some kind of nervous fidget. I can’t watch it again to check out the other posters — makes me uneasy.

wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Apr 22, 2016 • 7:26:20am

re: #68 makeitstop

He had a problem with YouTube’s payout system for songs, and you can’t really blame him. After the whole Warner Brothers fiasco (which prompted the name change to the sardonic ‘The Artist’), he became pre-occupied with getting paid for his stuff. That’s when the massive takedowns started - and that’s a model that both The Beatles’ management and the Hendrix estate are following now on Youtube. You’ll notice that most of the original Beatles and Hendrix recordings are impossible to fine nowadays.

Didn’t Taylor Swift have a snit about payouts from another music service? Or I am confusing her with another young performer?

Timothy Watson Apr 22, 2016 • 7:26:37am

re: #69 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He showed off the posters in his home office: Rhodesia army recruitment, Solzhenitsyn (?!), the Tianan’men Tank Man, and a couple of others that I forget now. The room has that echoey sound that an empty room has. He kept running his hand over his hair in some kind of nervous fidget. I can’t watch it again to check out the other posters — makes me uneasy.

He needs to lay off the yayo.

HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 7:27:50am

re: #69 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He showed off the posters in his home office: Rhodesia army recruitment, Solzhenitsyn (?!), the Tianan’men Tank Man, and a couple of others that I forget now. The room has that echoey sound that an empty room has. He kept running his hand over his hair in some kind of nervous fidget. I can’t watch it again to check out the other posters — makes me uneasy.

No need. Just had to remember our observations Re: Rhodesia and Roof. Solzhenitsyn and I don’t discount his importance in exposing to the West the horrors of the gulags ended up being a pretty big bigot and anti-Democratic in his own way.

Timothy Watson Apr 22, 2016 • 7:30:58am

re: #70 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Didn’t Taylor Swift have a snit about payouts from another music service? Or I am confusing her with another young performer?

She wouldn’t give the rights to her newest album to Pandora IIRC.

wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Apr 22, 2016 • 7:31:08am

His latest post is some disjointed complaint that Buzzfeed is smearing Trump for saying Mike Tyson was railroaded in some “fake rape” case from the 1990s. He invokes the name of his “mentor,” Alan Dershowitz, who was Tyson’s attorney at the time. Then he works in the Coyote Shivers-Pauley Perrette divorce case somehow.

It’s like reading something by a kid who hasn’t had his morning Adderol dose.

Franklin Apr 22, 2016 • 7:32:03am

re: #70 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Didn’t Taylor Swift have a snit about payouts from another music service? Or I am confusing her with another young performer?

She had a beef with Apple over not paying artists during the Apple Music free trial. She acknowledged she wouldn’t be hurt by it, but it would stifle smaller artists trying to catch a break.

makeitstop Apr 22, 2016 • 7:32:03am

re: #70 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Didn’t Taylor Swift have a snit about payouts from another music service? Or I am confusing her with another young performer?

It was Spotify - she pulled all of her tunes because she wasn’t happy with what they were paying her. Pretty sure she returned after her point was made, though.

HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 7:33:42am

re: #74 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

His latest post is some disjointed complaint that Buzzfeed is smearing Trump for saying Mike Tyson was railroaded in some “fake rape” case from the 1990s. He invokes the name of his “mentor,” Alan Dershowitz, who was Tyson’s attorney at the time. Then he works in the Coyote Shivers-Pauley Perrette divorce case somehow.

It’s like reading something by a kid who hasn’t had his morning Adderol dose.

Now I know why Tyson is backing Trump.

Jay C Apr 22, 2016 • 7:34:40am

re: #43 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

On another note, I received my Maryland sample ballot last week. Weirdly, it allows me to vote for Sanders or Clinton directly, then offers me a selection of candidates for convention delegate identified by candidate. So, I could vote for HRC while voting for Sanders convention delegates. Or visa versa. Hadn’t noticed this before.

New York had the same thing on their Primary ballots: the candidates, AND a slate of pledged (“jurado”) delegates. I checked with the Board of Elections just to be sure, and was told that just to be safe, to vote both sides.

wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Apr 22, 2016 • 7:35:25am

re: #72 HappyWarrior

No need. Just had to remember our observations Re: Rhodesia and Roof. Solzhenitsyn and I don’t discount his importance in exposing to the West the horrors of the gulags ended up being a pretty big bigot and anti-Democratic in his own way.

As bad as Mugabe has been for Zimbabwe, Ian Smith’s Rhodesia was much worse for the population. Mugabe is a power-hungry, corrupt politician who will die sometime in the next decade. Smith was fascist dictator who treated the black majority like animals.

I confess to being largely ignorant about Solzhenitsyn, aside from his exposing the gulags. I can see why Rage Furby likes him now.

Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Apr 22, 2016 • 7:35:35am

re: #78 Jay C

New York had the same thing on their Primary ballots: the candidates, AND a slate of pledged (“jurado”) delegates. I checked with the Board of Elections just to be sure, and was told that just to be safe, to vote both sides.

jurado your f*ckin mind, buddy!

GlutenFreeJesus Apr 22, 2016 • 7:36:26am

re: #76 makeitstop

Gotta pay the mortgages somehow!

ObserverArt Apr 22, 2016 • 7:37:07am

re: #23 Dr. Matt

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Facebook is enslaving people and Zuckerman is a fascist so Rage Furby is going to take his ball and go ~~stay~~ home!

What a freaking clod. He can’t even do a cheap video well.

Hey Chuck…how about you think about this for a reason why you get dropped off a lot of media.

You fucking suck at it.

GlutenFreeJesus Apr 22, 2016 • 7:37:40am

re: #80 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Careful!

HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 7:39:17am

re: #79 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

As bad as Mugabe has been for Zimbabwe, Ian Smith’s Rhodesia was much worse for the population. Mugabe is a power-hungry, corrupt politician who will die sometime in the next decade. Smith was fascist dictator who treated the black majority like animals.

I confess to being largely ignorant about Solzhenitsyn, aside from his exposing the gulags. I can see why Rage Furby likes him now.

I agree with you regarding Mugabe and Smith. Not surprised that Chucky likes Smith’s Rhodesia at all of course.

ObserverArt Apr 22, 2016 • 7:39:25am

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

Marie ‎@pintsize73

Friday hugs..🐵💗 pic.twitter.com

3:27 AM - 22 Apr 2016

Put that hug right here!

The Ghost of a Flea Apr 22, 2016 • 7:42:08am

re: #61 HappyWarrior

More or less an extension of what you said last night about the NRO which let me say again was awesome.

About 50% of my LGF posts are 2D slices of the same 3D idea that there is some fucked up epistemology at play here. It’s not just the what that’s made conservatism go off the rails (and basically be not “conservative,” since they continually re-invent the armature of the culture they’re preserving), it’s the how.

wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Apr 22, 2016 • 7:42:10am

re: #76 makeitstop

It was Spotify - she pulled all of her tunes because she wasn’t happy with what they were paying her. Pretty sure she returned after her point was made, though.

I find it hard to sympathize with performers who are internationally famous and whose songs get streamed or downloaded millions of times for a $1 or so a pop. Even 10% would leave them with $100,000 or more, which is not bad considering you can do other stuff at the same time. I should be so lucky.

darthstar Apr 22, 2016 • 7:44:10am

Drive by gallows humor. Still fuckin’ pissed Prince died.

wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Apr 22, 2016 • 7:45:51am

re: #82 ObserverArt

What a freaking clod. He can’t even do a cheap video well.

Hey Chuck…how about you think about this for a reason why you get dropped off a lot of media.

You fucking suck at it.

Too hyped up on or about something.

He brags that he talked to Facebook’s lobbyist. I wonder if he was told he had to keep his act clean, or he’d be punted off Facebook forever, like the suspension was his last chance. Chuck probably lost his cool at that point.

Timothy Watson Apr 22, 2016 • 7:46:58am

re: #89 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Too hyped up on or about something.

He brags that he talked to Facebook’s lobbyist. I wonder if he was told he had to keep his act clean, or he’d be punted off Facebook forever, like the suspension was his last chance. Chuck probably lost his cool at that point.

Lobbyist? Why would a lobbyist give a rat’s ass about him?

wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Apr 22, 2016 • 7:48:12am

re: #90 Timothy Watson

Lobbyist? Why would a lobbyist give a rat’s ass about him?

I’m just reporting what he said. We know Chuck has a certain loose interpretation of the truth.

makeitstop Apr 22, 2016 • 7:49:56am

re: #87 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I find it hard to sympathize with performers who are internationally famous and whose songs get streamed or downloaded millions of times for a $1 or so a pop. Even 10% would leave them with $100,000 or more, which is not bad considering you can do other stuff at the same time. I should be so lucky.

Spotify’s payout for streaming is ridiculously low - I believe the per play isn’t even a penny per. Of course a star of Swift’s magnitude is going to make millions regardless, but I know people who sell a lot of music online and they end up with virtually nothing to show for it.

Her larger point was that all of the artists on streaming services are being horribly ripped off, both big stars like her as well a smaller acts. I appreciated that she used her leverage to make the point, even though the results of doing so may have been negligible for anyone not named Taylor Swift.

Timothy Watson Apr 22, 2016 • 7:50:48am

re: #92 makeitstop

Spotify’s payout for streaming is ridiculously low - I believe the per play isn’t even a penny per. Of course a star of Swift’s magnitude is going to make millions regardless, but I know people who sell a lot of music online and they end up with virtually nothing to show for it.

Her larger point was that all of the artists on streaming services are being horribly ripped off, both big stars like her as well a smaller acts. I appreciated that she used her leverage to make the point, even though the results of doing so may have been negligible for anyone not named Taylor Swift.

Yeah, the royalty fees that SiriusXM charges is pennies on the dollar versus the regular charge for the service.

William Lewis Apr 22, 2016 • 7:51:37am

re: #88 darthstar

Drive by gallows humor. Still fuckin’ pissed Prince died.

OH, man, that’s cold. Funny as all get out but seriously cold.

makeitstop Apr 22, 2016 • 7:58:18am

re: #94 William Lewis

OH, man, that’s cold. Funny as all get out but seriously cold.

I saw a similar meme this morning with Ted Nugent. They burn because they’re true, especially in Nugent’s case. We lose a true innovator while useless meatbags like Nuge continue to draw breath.

Put me in Darth’s camp as being pissed that we lost such an innovative talent.

Backwoods_Sleuth Apr 22, 2016 • 7:58:47am

First Lady Michelle Obama rocking shades of purple as she & President Obama meet Queen Elizabeth and Prince Phillip pic.twitter.com/nU0YIEgZ4O

— Nerdy Wonka (@NerdyWonka) April 22, 2016

ObserverArt Apr 22, 2016 • 8:00:25am

re: #37 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I never really related to Prince’s music. Admittedly I didn’t hear a whole heck of a lot of it. Was never impressed with the singles and actually found them annoying, so that probably had a lot to do with my indifference. When I kept hearing what a brilliant musician he was, all I could think of were the dozen or so singles that don’t show much brilliance at all. That “amazing guitar solo” where he supposedly shows up all the classic rock “gods” was a lame performance by all involved. There’s no point in shredding during “While My Guitar Gently Weeps”. In fact, anybody who does loses points with me. The guitar should be weeping, not preening. You know, like is says in the FREAKING TITLE??? I am open to examples, but for me to randomly click on songs I don’t know makes it really hard to find good examples. One minute I have power ballad, the next a percussion laden funkfest simply because I don’t know where to look.

Damn. Your tight muscle may have grown over your funk bone!

: )

Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Apr 22, 2016 • 8:00:50am

re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why are the Obamas always using taxpayer dollars on all these vacations all the time?!?!??!?!

SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN Apr 22, 2016 • 8:01:43am

re: #97 ObserverArt

Damn. Your tight muscle may have grown over your funk bone!

: )

So you can’t think of any examples either, eh?

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Backwoods_Sleuth Apr 22, 2016 • 8:04:09am

shit

Peebles High School locked down as a precaution. 7 found dead near Adams Co/Pike Co. line. https://t.co/jiHHhUOmzQ pic.twitter.com/UvI7qRhOC5

— Local 12/WKRC-TV (@Local12) April 22, 2016

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makeitstop Apr 22, 2016 • 8:04:47am

re: #97 ObserverArt

Damn. Your tight muscle may have grown over your funk bone!

: )

How anyone can call that solo lame is beyond me. I’ve been playing for over 50 years (yeesh), and that shit is transcendent.

When you’ve got the son of Beatle George, Petty and Jeff Lynne slack-jawed, you’re nailing it as far as I’m concerned.

Contrarians gonna contrary.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Apr 22, 2016 • 8:05:55am

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pike County Sheriff has called for state BCI investigators. Shooter is still at large in the area near Union Hill rd. 7 fame members dead.

— Rich Jaffe (@RAJaffe) April 22, 2016

fame = family

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Apr 22, 2016 • 8:06:45am

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

shit

What the whut?

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Backwoods_Sleuth Apr 22, 2016 • 8:07:36am

re: #103 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

What the whut?

It’s in Ohio, NW NE of Cincinnati.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Apr 22, 2016 • 8:07:46am

That’s really quite an honor, I’d say. Too bad Obama can’t get that kind of respect at home from the GOP/Tea Party. https://t.co/IAN2BKQJcl

— wheat-dogg (@liguy743) April 22, 2016

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ObserverArt Apr 22, 2016 • 8:08:00am

re: #99 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

So you can’t think of any examples either, eh?

Wouldn’t it be pointless?

You couldn’t even take a light comment…lightly.

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ObserverArt Apr 22, 2016 • 8:11:14am

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

shit

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Damn. That is right down by the Great Serpent Mound. Sad.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Apr 22, 2016 • 8:11:38am

more dammit. I’ve known this guy for decades.

Local musician Lonnie Mack, 74, has died https://t.co/8nVOc1DvFM (Alligator Records) pic.twitter.com/dFZMkGvdDB

— Local 12/WKRC-TV (@Local12) April 22, 2016

CINCINNATI (WKRC) - Legendary musician Lonnie Mack has died at the age of 74, according to Alligator Records, which was one of his former labels.

His record company confirmed the news saying he died of natural causes Thursday, April 21, at a hospital near his home in Smithville, Tennessee.

Mack was born in West Harrison, Indiana.

He was a guitar singer and player. He played blues, rock and county and recorded for the King and Fraternity record labels in Cincinnati.

Mack is cited as a mentor and inspiration for other guitarists, like Stevie Ray Vaughn.

He’s best known for the songs “Memphis” and “Wham!”

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Apr 22, 2016 • 8:11:52am

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s in Ohio, NW NE of Cincinnati.

Saw Lawhawk tweet about a shooting in OH, I assume it’s the same one.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Apr 22, 2016 • 8:12:06am

re: #107 ObserverArt

Damn. That is right down by the Great Serpent Mound. Sad.

Across the river from me.

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Pawn of the Oppressor Apr 22, 2016 • 8:12:24am

re: #82 ObserverArt

With all his failures (despite his superior white IQ), his spectrum issues, and his inexcusable marriage to a lower-race woman, my inner Nazi questions his commitment to racial purity. Frankly I wonder if he has impure blood in his line. He’s so hung up on “cuck”, maybe he’s hiding a *muddy* family secret. PERHAPS ZE MINISTRY SHOULD INVESTIGATE…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Apr 22, 2016 • 8:14:48am

re: #105 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

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Remember the frenzy the RWNJs were in 6, 7 years ago about the Obamas hugging the Queen—and giving her an iPod Touch? Obviously she was deeply offended.

Now the Prince Consort driving them around? I can’t wait for the reaction to that.

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Franklin Apr 22, 2016 • 8:15:11am

re: #109 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Saw Lawhawk tweet about a shooting in OH, I assume it’s the same one.

Hopefully, but hey, we’re American dammit!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Apr 22, 2016 • 8:16:28am

re: #112 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Remember the frenzy the RWNJs were in 6, 7 years ago about the Obamas hugging the Queen—and giving her an iPod Touch? Obviously she was deeply offended.

Now the Prince Consort driving them around? I can’t wait for the reaction to that.

They’ll find something to complain about, I’m sure of it.

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Timothy Watson Apr 22, 2016 • 8:16:47am

re: #112 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Remember the frenzy the RWNJs were in 6, 7 years ago about the Obamas hugging the Queen—and giving her an iPod Touch? Obviously she was deeply offended.

Now the Prince Consort driving them around? I can’t wait for the reaction to that.

OBAMA SHOWS HIS SUPPORT FOR THE MAU MAU REBELS BY MAKING WHITE HEIR TO THE THRONE DRIVE HIM AROUND!!1!

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Belafon Apr 22, 2016 • 8:18:06am

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

more dammit. I’ve known this guy for decades.

When I search for my name on the internet, he’s the closest thing to a hit I get that’s not me. Replace the ‘c’ in the last name with an ‘s’.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Apr 22, 2016 • 8:19:32am

Joe The Plumber tweeted The Donald to stop being so damn PC about allowing grown menz in the little girls room.

We’re reaching epic stupidness here.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Apr 22, 2016 • 8:19:58am

Woman Suing Over Flint Water Shot Dead

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN Apr 22, 2016 • 8:20:21am

re: #101 makeitstop

I’ll have to look again. I thought they were more amused than amazed.

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Franklin Apr 22, 2016 • 8:21:15am

re: #117 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Ah, it’s been a while since I’ve heard the name (not) Joe The (not) Plumber.

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makeitstop Apr 22, 2016 • 8:21:36am

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

more dammit. I’ve known this guy for decades.

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One of my early heroes. His version of ‘Memphis’ was required learning for young guitarists back in the day.

RIP Lonnie.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Apr 22, 2016 • 8:22:01am

re: #115 Timothy Watson

OBAMA SHOWS HIS SUPPORT FOR THE MAU MAU REBELS BY MAKING WHITE HEIR TO THE THRONE DRIVE HIM AROUND!!1!

‘Twas Phillip who was the driver, not Charles.

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Franklin Apr 22, 2016 • 8:22:35am

Ooohhh!!! Cue the ‘splodey heads!

Virginia’s governor will restore voting rights to more than 200,000 convicted felons https://t.co/Q1jI0g5cuO pic.twitter.com/ynKNqo8lQT

— The New York Times (@nytimes) April 22, 2016

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makeitstop Apr 22, 2016 • 8:22:55am

re: #116 Belafon

When I search for my name on the internet, he’s the closest thing to a hit I get that’s not me. Replace the ‘c’ in the last name with an ‘s’.

I always thought your Twitter handle was a play on his name.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Apr 22, 2016 • 8:23:55am

Meanwhile, self-described Leftists on Twitter are still melting down over HRC.

Bloggers I once liked and read regularly. They’re more Hillary Derangement Syndrome than many wingnuts.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Apr 22, 2016 • 8:24:23am

re: #123 Franklin

Ooohhh!!! Cue the ‘splodey heads!

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Were any of them former state legislators?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Apr 22, 2016 • 8:24:40am

re: #120 Franklin

Ah, it’s been a while since I’ve heard the name (not) Joe The (not) Plumber.

It’s always a good day when we don’t.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN Apr 22, 2016 • 8:25:49am

re: #106 ObserverArt

Wouldn’t it be pointless?

You couldn’t even take a light comment…lightly.

No, actually I would like some help. In spite of his success at keeping his music offline, there is still a lot of youtube clips. I’ve been clicking on random songs but if you could give me some direction or hints I would appreciate it.
I’ll put it this way. Not every Beatles or Rolling Stones song is a great one. The same goes for any prolific artist. (Stones more so than the Beatles because they put out more albums). The odds are that clicking on random songs won’t be the best ones. I’m not necessarily looking for hits. Most acts’ best songs are not their hits.

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ObserverArt Apr 22, 2016 • 8:26:32am

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

more dammit. I’ve known this guy for decades.

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Very familiar with his playing. And he looked good with a Flyin’ V!

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Backwoods_Sleuth Apr 22, 2016 • 8:28:35am

re: #121 makeitstop

One of my early heroes. His version of ‘Memphis’ was required learning for young guitarists back in the day.

RIP Lonnie.

I just told MrBWS. Lonnie had a camp by the local river where he’d have campout weekends. MrBWS got to play.

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HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 8:29:46am

re: #117 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Joe The Plumber tweeted The Donald to stop being so damn PC about allowing grown menz in the little girls room.

We’re reaching epic stupidness here.

Leave it to Not Joe the non-plumber to bitch. I was actually pleasantly surprised to see Trump take the correct position on this issue. Of course, I bet that will embolden the Never Trumps even more because their problem with Trump isn’t his racism, it’s that he’s not reactionary enough on certain things including this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Apr 22, 2016 • 8:31:08am

hmmm

Attorney General’s Special Prosecutor Woody Breyer is on the mass murder scene. Latest at noon @Local12 pic.twitter.com/JwohEKjjnK

— Rich Jaffe (@RAJaffe) April 22, 2016

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Stanley Sea Apr 22, 2016 • 8:33:10am

re: #112 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Remember the frenzy the RWNJs were in 6, 7 years ago about the Obamas hugging the Queen—and giving her an iPod Touch? Obviously she was deeply offended.

Now the Prince Consort driving them around? I can’t wait for the reaction to that.

Dude is really old, amazing the SS let him take the wheel!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth Apr 22, 2016 • 8:34:47am

re: #133 Stanley Sea

Dude is really old, amazing the SS let him take the wheel!!!

The Queen is wicked behind the wheel.
Having Phillip drive is probably safer for everyone.

;)

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makeitstop Apr 22, 2016 • 8:35:56am

re: #129 ObserverArt

Very familiar with his playing. And he looked good with a Flyin’ V!

And he was the guy who came up with that mounting scheme for putting a Bigsby on a Flying V, for his signature model. Wouldn’t have fit without those supports.

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ObserverArt Apr 22, 2016 • 8:37:57am

re: #128 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

No, actually I would like some help. In spite of his success at keeping his music offline, there is still a lot of youtube clips. I’ve been clicking on random songs but if you could give me some direction or hints I would appreciate it.
I’ll put it this way. Not every Beatles or Rolling Stones song is a great one. The same goes for any prolific artist. (Stones more so than the Beatles because they put out more albums). The odds are that clicking on random songs won’t be the best ones. I’m not necessarily looking for hits. Most acts’ best songs are not their hits.

I’d suggest going through the big thread (link below) from overnight Wednesday through about noon yesterday. There was some good examples. But you are correct, it is very hard to find video of his since it is tightly controlled.

And remember…he wrote a lot of great stuff for others.

Sinead O’Connor - Nothing Compares to you.

Sinead O’Connor Nothing Compares 2 You 16:9 HD

The Bangles - Manic Monday

The Foo Fighters did a nice cover of Nikki

Foo Fighters Darling Nikki (Prince Cover)

Tech Note: New Autosave Feature in LGF Pages

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Eric The Fruit Bat Apr 22, 2016 • 8:38:15am

re: #64 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

In his new Facebook video, he proudly shows the audience one of his favorite posters — one from white-ruled Rhodesia.

And if you listened to him talk about Rhodesia, he mentioned that it’s a country that no longer exists with a sense of resignation - as if it was a bad thing.

He’s toast, and he knows it. And the dudebro vanity project called WeSearchr will probably meet the same fate as Intrade.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Apr 22, 2016 • 8:38:18am

re: #133 Stanley Sea

Dude is really old, amazing the SS let him take the wheel!!!

The Guardian made a point to say the royal staff had turned the car around, so the Prince wouldn’t need to back up, and that the drive was just 400 yards. Phillip is 95 now, and can still drive, though I guess only on the castle grounds and not, like, on the M4.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Apr 22, 2016 • 8:38:31am

The Orpheum Theater on Beale Street, Memphis, TN, USA, August 1986

Stevie Ray Vaughan with Lonnie Mack - Wham

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN Apr 22, 2016 • 8:41:58am

re: #136 ObserverArt

Thanks. I opened it in a new tab and will go through it as the day goes on.

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makeitstop Apr 22, 2016 • 8:42:31am

re: #136 ObserverArt

And remember…he wrote a lot of great stuff for others.

Don’t forget this one for Chaka Khan…

Chaka Khan - I Feel for You (1984)

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Backwoods_Sleuth Apr 22, 2016 • 8:44:02am

dancing in mah chair right now…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Apr 22, 2016 • 8:46:17am

re: #137 Eric The Fruit Bat

And if you listened to him talk about Rhodesia, he mentioned that it’s a country that no longer exists with a sense of resignation - as if it was a bad thing.

He’s toast, and he knows it. And the dudebro vanity project called WeSearchr will probably meet the same fate as Intrade.

Yeah, he’s sad that white folk no longer rule in South Africa and Zim.

WeSearchr (or as I call it, Leechsearchr) will either fizzle out and be forgotten, or get tangled up in some big defamation or libel case, and go down in flames.

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ObserverArt Apr 22, 2016 • 8:46:23am

re: #140 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Thanks. I opened it in a new tab and will go through it as the day goes on.

And remember…he is credited with 39 albums under his name.

There are claims that he has enough stuff recorded to put out a whole hell of a lot more. It is referred to as “The Prince Vault”

Dude was prolific at the very least.

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mmmirele Apr 22, 2016 • 8:48:41am

A coworker who lives in Minneapolis passed this along to me: 89.3 The Current will play Prince’s catalog from A to Z tonight starting at 6 pm Central Time. Here’s the link to their streaming site

thecurrent.org

I read the daily technology news on a call for my evil too big to fail employer (not every day, we swap off weeks and this is my week). We always end with trivia, and I ended with easy Prince trivia as a tribute to Prince. It’s a good thing it was easy, because in just reading the trivia, I nearly burst into tears. Four people messaged me afterwards thanking me, which is the most I’ve ever had in the three years I’ve been doing the daily call.

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Timothy Watson Apr 22, 2016 • 8:49:15am

I really wish my eyelid would stop twitching. It’s been doing it for like two weeks and it’s getting really annoying!

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Belafon Apr 22, 2016 • 8:50:03am

re: #145 mmmirele

A coworker who lives in Minneapolis passed this along to me: 89.3 The Current will play Prince’s catalog from A to Z tonight starting at 6 pm Central Time. Here’s the link to their streaming site

thecurrent.org

I read the daily technology news on a call for my evil too big to fail employer (not every day, we swap off weeks and this is my week). We always end with trivia, and I ended with easy Prince trivia as a tribute to Prince. It’s a good thing it was easy, because in just reading the trivia, I nearly burst into tears. Four people messaged me afterwards thanking me, which is the most I’ve ever had in the three years I’ve been doing the daily call.

You probably won’t be able to stream it. When Bowie died, 91.7 here in Dallas did a tribute to him. While it played on the radio, the website had to block the broadcast due to copyright issues.

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ObserverArt Apr 22, 2016 • 8:50:23am

re: #141 makeitstop

Don’t forget this one for Chaka Khan…

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Video

I must admit…I put up The Bangles so I could see Susanna Hoffs and Vicki Peterson!

I always wanted to play with them. ; )

(Swoon)

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Dr. Matt Apr 22, 2016 • 8:51:27am

Not this shit again…..

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makeitstop Apr 22, 2016 • 8:51:37am

re: #146 Timothy Watson

I really wish my eyelid would stop twitching. It’s been doing it for like two weeks and it’s getting really annoying!

Duct tape.

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Great White Snark Apr 22, 2016 • 8:52:37am

re: #146 Timothy Watson

When is your states primary? That might do it.
//

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Belafon Apr 22, 2016 • 8:52:38am

re: #149 Dr. Matt

Not this shit again…..

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Isn’t the response supposed to be “Shouldn’t every patriotic American?”

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FormerDirtDart Apr 22, 2016 • 8:53:31am

re: #149 Dr. Matt

Not this shit again…..

[Embedded content]

Cute dogs are cute. pic.twitter.com/e7bCqT8d6k

— theCHIVE (@theCHIVE) April 22, 2016

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makeitstop Apr 22, 2016 • 8:55:59am

Here’s a favorite of mine. So simple but so damn catchy.

Prince - Pop Life

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Timothy Watson Apr 22, 2016 • 8:57:05am

re: #151 Great White Snark

When is your states primary? That might do it.
//

Nope, I am in Virginia.

Probably related to a new job, different schedule, and increased caffeine intake.

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HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 8:57:42am

re: #149 Dr. Matt

Not this shit again…..

Embedded Image

To paraphrase Billy Batts, Drudge should go home and get his fucking Klan robe.

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FormerDirtDart Apr 22, 2016 • 8:58:35am

So, the campaign is officially stating that they, and their candidate, purposefully lied/misled to the American public, to secure their votes?

Trump aide to RNC: Donald was just “playing a part” during the primaries https://t.co/pZNSQheGMt pic.twitter.com/KRs6Ao42zB

— The Hill (@thehill) April 22, 2016

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Great White Snark Apr 22, 2016 • 8:59:56am

re: #155 Timothy Watson

Nope, I am in Virginia.

Probably related to a new job, different schedule, and increased caffeine intake.

That would do it or worse to me. I’d try to carve out a quiet pleasant day or two.

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Stanley Sea Apr 22, 2016 • 9:01:04am

re: #154 makeitstop

I actually think it’s great that Don Lemon named “Head” as his fav song. I’m trying to find it on youtube & can’t. ??

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TedStriker Apr 22, 2016 • 9:02:44am

re: #159 Stanley Sea

I actually think it’s great that Don Lemon named “Head” as his fav song. I’m trying to find it on youtube & can’t. ??

If it’s a Prince song, you’ll likely never ever find it on YouTube, because he got real tight on enforcing his copyrights after WB screwed him over; I expect his estate to continue that.

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ObserverArt Apr 22, 2016 • 9:02:55am

re: #157 FormerDirtDart

So, the campaign is officially stating that they, and their candidate, purposefully lied/misled to the American public, to secure their votes?

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Good luck with that.

It is going to be extremely hard to repackage The Donald.

He has already made a ton of people sick of him as a politician and I doubt any one of them will be changing their minds.

And, he will piss off the idiots that bought into his initial character of the Wall Building Say It Like It Is Making It Great American.

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makeitstop Apr 22, 2016 • 9:04:41am

re: #160 TedStriker

If it’s a Prince song, you’ll likely never ever find it on YouTube, because he got real tight on enforcing his copyrights after WB screwed him over; I expect his estate to continue that.

I think Stanley’s talking about the video of Lemon saying his fave song was ‘Head.’

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TedStriker Apr 22, 2016 • 9:05:21am

re: #162 makeitstop

I think Stanley’s talking about the video of Lemon saying his fave song was ‘Head.’

LOL

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HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 9:07:01am

What I hate the most about Trump is how his presence has convinced people he’s not the worst the GOP has to offer. Cruz and Kasich each have a lot about them that makes them even more repugnant than Trump.

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Stanley Sea Apr 22, 2016 • 9:07:30am

re: #162 makeitstop

I think Stanley’s talking about the video of Lemon saying his fave song was ‘Head.’

No, I actually saw that live. I’m looking for the music video. :)

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Timothy Watson Apr 22, 2016 • 9:07:46am

re: #161 ObserverArt

Good luck with that.

It is going to be extremely hard to repackage The Donald.

He has already made a ton of people sick of him as a politician and I doubt any one of them will be changing their minds.

And, he will piss off the idiots that bought into his initial character of the Wall Building Say It Like It Is Making It Great American.

But, don’t worry, every Republican/conservative will end up voting for him.

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Stanley Sea Apr 22, 2016 • 9:08:17am

re: #165 Stanley Sea

No, I actually saw that live. I’m looking for the music video. :)

& it was awesome, like double take, high five.

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HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 9:08:22am

re: #166 Timothy Watson

But, don’t worry, every Republican/conservative will end up voting for him.

Go GOP State!

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The Ghost of a Flea Apr 22, 2016 • 9:09:34am

re: #149 Dr. Matt

Not this shit again…..

[Embedded content]

Ahem. This is about to get caps-lock-y.

WHY IN THE BLUE FUCK IS ANY FUCKING AMERICAN CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE THINKING THE BRITISH EMPIRE SUCKED?

THE BRITISH EMPIRE SUCKED, AND IT SUCKED MORE FOR PEOPLE AND INDIA AND AFRICA, WHO IT LANDED ON, THAN OUR ANCESTORS WHO WERE COLONIZERS WHOSE OCCUPANCY OF A NEW CONTINENT WAS HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED.

The British occupation of Kenya was like what happened in the America West, but with concentration camps, deliberate use of rape and sexual assault as punitive measures, and continued post-WW2. Who the fuck wouldn’t take issue with it?

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FormerDirtDart Apr 22, 2016 • 9:11:46am

McAuliffe uses executive power to circumvent Republican-run legislature…
Prepare for full fledged rage response…

BREAKING: Virginia governor will allow more than 200,000 ex-felons to vote https://t.co/etpLizUHLj pic.twitter.com/YKbHPMOO2F

— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) April 22, 2016

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KingKenrod Apr 22, 2016 • 9:12:03am

He also likes Soft & Wet

CNN’s Don Lemon Reveals ‘Head’ as his Favorite Prince Song

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Timothy Watson Apr 22, 2016 • 9:12:27am

re: #170 FormerDirtDart

McAuliffe uses executive power to circumvent Republican-run legislature…
Prepare for full fledged rage response…

[Embedded content]

INPEACH!!1!

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HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 9:12:43am

re: #169 The Ghost of a Flea

Ahem. This is about to get caps-lock-y.

WHY IN THE BLUE FUCK IS ANY FUCKING AMERICAN CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE THINKING THE BRITISH EMPIRE SUCKED?

THE BRITISH EMPIRE SUCKED, AND IT SUCKED MORE FOR PEOPLE AND INDIA AND AFRICA, WHO IT LANDED ON, THAN OUR ANCESTORS WHO WERE COLONIZERS WHOSE OCCUPANCY OF A NEW CONTINENT WAS HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED.

The British occupation of Kenya was like what happened in the America West, but with concentration camps, deliberate use of rape and sexual assault as punitive measures, and continued post-WW2. Who the fuck wouldn’t take issue with it?

It’s like when Dinesh D’Sousa attacked Obama and his father for being anti-colonialist. It’s like uh hello. Are you forgetting how our nation was founded? But yes the British empire did suck. I’m definitely going to be celebrating the Easter Rising’s centennial with some whiskey. But yeah I don’t get it man. Why the hell is Drudge so pissy that Obama’s rightfully critical of the British empire? I mean don’t get me wrong. I am not anti-British in the slightest. Two of my cousins married Britons and I love that I have four cousins that have British accents because of that and I’ve always liked the British people but Brit imperialism stank. And Obama as a Kenyan-American is aware of that far better than a lily white asshole like Drudge.

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Franklin Apr 22, 2016 • 9:14:09am

Head was on Dirty Mind:

en.wikipedia.org

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gwangung Apr 22, 2016 • 9:15:16am

re: #170 FormerDirtDart

McAuliffe uses executive power to circumvent Republican-run legislature…
Prepare for full fledged rage response…

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As someone on Balloon Juice noted….no difference between Democrats and Republicans? Hah! McAuliffe is a quintessntial third way DLCer, but he’s done a hell of a lot of progressive work…

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The Ghost of a Flea Apr 22, 2016 • 9:16:06am

re: #161 ObserverArt

This is another one of those things where its less about actually doing the thing—repackaging Trump—as it is saying that its happening because it provides minimal deniability.

This is one of the places our media fails us. They won’t push back against this kind of claim, they’ll roll with it because it increases the horse-race narrative of politics, and because it’s easier to mainstream Trump than to keep asking questions about what it means that his earlier act sold well with certain people (the GOP base).

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Apr 22, 2016 • 9:16:48am

re: #149 Dr. Matt

Not this shit again…..

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The Mau-Mau dogwhistle. Blacks rising up and slaughtering their white overlords…

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HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 9:16:54am

re: #175 gwangung

As someone on Balloon Juice noted….no difference between Democrats and Republicans? Hah! McAuliffe is a quintessntial third way DLCer, but he’s done a hell of a lot of progressive work…

I was going to say. Terry Mac is the ultimate third way type Democrat but there’s still a sizable difference between him and any Republican who’d be nominated for high office in this state. I have to give Terry my props. I wasn’t a fan but I’ve come around on him and this clinches the deal.

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makeitstop Apr 22, 2016 • 9:18:07am

re: #165 Stanley Sea

No, I actually saw that live. I’m looking for the music video. :)

Ah. My bad.

How’s yet kitty? Pics, plz.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Apr 22, 2016 • 9:18:58am

re: #161 ObserverArt

Good luck with that.

It is going to be extremely hard to repackage The Donald.

He has already made a ton of people sick of him as a politician and I doubt any one of them will be changing their minds.

And, he will piss off the idiots that bought into his initial character of the Wall Building Say It Like It Is Making It Great American.

He is the master of the sound byte/Tweet. He knows that a lot of people are too ADD to put all the contradictory individual statements together to form an overall picture.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Apr 22, 2016 • 9:19:15am

The official welcome party for President Obama… #ObamaInUK pic.twitter.com/xAk5MwPNI1

— Larry the Cat (@Number10cat) April 22, 2016

After a few minutes, Larry gets bored and waits for someone inside to open the door and let him in. pic.twitter.com/msAttGAYix

— Mark Knoller (@markknoller) April 22, 2016

Kitty had own photo op outside. Nice kitty. pic.twitter.com/XAQJ2JdR0L

— Mark Knoller (@markknoller) April 22, 2016

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blueraven Apr 22, 2016 • 9:20:34am

re: #37 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I never really related to Prince’s music. Admittedly I didn’t hear a whole heck of a lot of it. Was never impressed with the singles and actually found them annoying, so that probably had a lot to do with my indifference. When I kept hearing what a brilliant musician he was, all I could think of were the dozen or so singles that don’t show much brilliance at all. That “amazing guitar solo” where he supposedly shows up all the classic rock “gods” was a lame performance by all involved. There’s no point in shredding during “While My Guitar Gently Weeps”. In fact, anybody who does loses points with me. The guitar should be weeping, not preening. You know, like is says in the FREAKING TITLE??? I am open to examples, but for me to randomly click on songs I don’t know makes it really hard to find good examples. One minute I have power ballad, the next a percussion laden funkfest simply because I don’t know where to look.

Seriously man, just stop. If you don’t like his music, that is OK.
It is not for us to try to convince you.

Maybe you can just try to appreciate his fierce advocacy for individuality, artistic expression and ownership of his work and leave it there.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Apr 22, 2016 • 9:21:04am

re: #177 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The Mau-Mau dogwhistle. Blacks rising up and slaughtering their white overlords…

The Mau-Mau Rebellion was 60 years ago. It’s not like it’s an ongoing thing in Kenya, or anywhere in Africa now.

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Timothy Watson Apr 22, 2016 • 9:21:15am

re: #181 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If you guys want to have some fun, read about the Chief Mouser to the Cabinet Office on Wikipedia:
en.wikipedia.org

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The Ghost of a Flea Apr 22, 2016 • 9:21:43am

re: #176 The Ghost of a Flea

Media Is Ready to Grant Trump a Mulligan

We’ve gone from that to the media applauding him for “presenting a more businesslike and presidential “persona.”“

That’s amnesia, right there, and widespread media-assisted amnesia is Trump’s best hope for November.

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KingKenrod Apr 22, 2016 • 9:22:06am

The Glamorous Life was Sheila E’s big hit (written by Prince) but I always liked this follow-up better (co-written with Prince).

Sheila E - A Love Bizarre (1986) ♫

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Timothy Watson Apr 22, 2016 • 9:22:41am

re: #183 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The Mau-Mau Rebellion was 60 years ago. It’s not like it’s an ongoing thing in Kenya, or anywhere in Africa now.

It still works as code to the old white people who make up the target demographic.

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HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 9:22:49am

Don’t you love reading quotes of Trump supporters who say they love his straight talk whether it’s pro life on abortion, guns, or immigration and then seeing that Donald actually etched out a moderate position on abortion. These people are fucking being conned big time by this guy.

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HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 9:23:21am

re: #187 Timothy Watson

It still works as code to the old white people who make up the target demographic.

Aka Drudge’s readership and also the NRO’s readership.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Apr 22, 2016 • 9:23:32am

This #EarthDay, here’s a glimpse of our efforts to understand our home planet #24Seven: https://t.co/3CUJRLU7r1 pic.twitter.com/1wAiIbb2Qq

— NASA (@NASA) April 22, 2016

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Apr 22, 2016 • 9:24:01am

re: #187 Timothy Watson

It still works as code to the old white people who make up the target demographic.

Some of those old white people weren’t even in grade school then.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Apr 22, 2016 • 9:25:03am

re: #188 HappyWarrior

Don’t you love reading quotes of Trump supporters who say they love his straight talk whether it’s pro life on abortion, guns, or immigration and then seeing that Donald actually etched out a moderate position on abortion. These people are fucking being conned big time by this guy.

Well, he’s got that Baltimore dude, Jack Mehoff, convinced!

lol

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Backwoods_Sleuth Apr 22, 2016 • 9:25:08am

more hmmm…

#FBI Cincinnati is closely monitoring the situation in Pike County and has offered assistance to the Pike County Sheriff’s Office. #BREAKING

— FBI Cincinnati (@FBICincinnati) April 22, 2016

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Timothy Watson Apr 22, 2016 • 9:25:21am

re: #191 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Some of those old white people weren’t even in grade school then.

A lot of them lived through the MLK assassination riots if nothing else.

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HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 9:25:32am

re: #192 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Well, he’s got that Baltimore dude, Jack Mehoff, convinced!

lol

Who is Hugh Jass backing?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Apr 22, 2016 • 9:25:37am

Oh, well, time for bed here. Later

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Apr 22, 2016 • 9:25:45am

re: #191 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Some of those old white people weren’t even in grade school then.

But they are aware of what can happen when blacks aspire above their position in society.

Rivers of blood!!!

///

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FormerDirtDart Apr 22, 2016 • 9:26:00am

So, neither flu nor heroine…

Prince nearly overdosed on Percocet, a powerful opiate, forcing emergency plane landing https://t.co/l2XOngcrnx pic.twitter.com/BWWn7N6C8N

— New York Daily News (@NYDailyNews) April 22, 2016

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HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 9:26:02am

re: #196 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Oh, well, time for bed here. Later

Take care.

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KingKenrod Apr 22, 2016 • 9:26:23am

re: #69 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He showed off the posters in his home office: Rhodesia army recruitment, Solzhenitsyn (?!), the Tianan’men Tank Man, and a couple of others that I forget now. The room has that echoey sound that an empty room has. He kept running his hand over his hair in some kind of nervous fidget. I can’t watch it again to check out the other posters — makes me uneasy.

UpChuck is slowly going hate-crazy in his cocoon. I wonder what HAW thinks about Rhodesia posters?

The other posters were Ai Weiwei and a couple of Norman Rockwells.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Apr 22, 2016 • 9:26:35am

re: #195 HappyWarrior

Who is Hugh Jass backing?

He was a Christie supporter, till he dropped out.

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Dr Lizardo Apr 22, 2016 • 9:28:09am

re: #198 FormerDirtDart

I was prescribed Percocet once, many, many moons ago. That it is indeed potent stuff.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Apr 22, 2016 • 9:28:10am

re: #200 KingKenrod

UpChuck is slowly going hate-crazy in his cocoon. I wonder what HAW thinks about Rhodesia posters?

The other posters were Ai Weiwei and a couple of Norman Rockwells.

Weird that he favors Ai WeiWei. Those two guys have nothing in common, politically or artistically.

Rockwell was a liberal. I wonder if he’s aware of that.

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HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 9:28:15am

re: #201 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He was a Christie supporter, till he dropped out.

Along with Seymour Butts. I think Ivana Tinkle is backing Trump though. No word about how Amanda Huggenkiss is backing.

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ObserverArt Apr 22, 2016 • 9:29:25am

re: #176 The Ghost of a Flea

This is another one of those things where its less about actually doing the thing—repackaging Trump—as it is saying that its happening because it provides minimal deniability.

This is one of the places our media fails us. They won’t push back against this kind of claim, they’ll roll with it because it increases the horse-race narrative of politics, and because it’s easier to mainstream Trump than to keep asking questions about what it means that his earlier act sold well with certain people (the GOP base).

re: #180 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He is the master of the sound byte/Tweet. He knows that a lot of people are too ADD to put all the contradictory individual statements together to form an overall picture.

Good points. But there is the other side to think about.

Should Hillary be the candidate I think they are going to use the “whole Trump” history to bash him. He has said so much stupid stuff they can use, and if he thinks he can go with his change-up pitch they will use that against him too.

Really…has he ever really said how he is actually going to go about doing anything?

And if he is changing to a more ‘politician’ style then you can ask if he can be trusted because he is all over the place.

“I’d like to ask Mr. Trump, were you full of shit then or all you full of shit now?”

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Stanley Sea Apr 22, 2016 • 9:29:27am

re: #179 makeitstop

Ah. My bad.

How’s yet kitty? Pics, plz.

She’s great, bugged me all night, now asleep under the couch. Slowly but surely we’ll be buds.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Apr 22, 2016 • 9:29:47am

re: #149 Dr. Matt

Not this shit again…..

[Embedded content]

This is going to hurt Obama’s third term chances…

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Eclectic Cyborg Apr 22, 2016 • 9:29:50am

re: #202 Dr Lizardo

I was prescribed Percocet once, many, many moons ago. That it is indeed potent stuff.

My wife takes it for a chronic condition but you better believe she watches her dose.

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Timothy Watson Apr 22, 2016 • 9:30:29am

re: #202 Dr Lizardo

I was prescribed Percocet once, many, many moons ago. That it is indeed potent stuff.

My dad was prescribed that when had his bypass years ago. He said that he had an out-of-body experience when he took it.

It was the last time he took it.

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Belafon Apr 22, 2016 • 9:32:09am

re: #203 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Weird that he favors Ai WeiWei. Those two guys have nothing in common, politically or artistically.

Rockwell was a liberal. I wonder if he’s aware of that.

Nuh uh! He was a patriotic American, and by that I mean Republican. That painting he did of that little negro girl who should never have been allowed in a white school proves it.

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wrenchwench Apr 22, 2016 • 9:32:11am

re: #203 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Weird that he favors Ai WeiWei. Those two guys have nothing in common, politically or artistically.

Rockwell was a liberal. I wonder if he’s aware of that.

Maybe he has confused him with Lew Rockwell.

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HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 9:32:19am

The aristocratic “I’m a stupid moron with an ugly face and a big butt and my butt smells and I like to kiss my own butt.” is backing Cruz.

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HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 9:32:53am

re: #211 wrenchwench

Maybe he has confused him with Lew Rockwell.

Nah George is probably more his fancy. Lew is pretty bad though.

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Eclectic Cyborg Apr 22, 2016 • 9:32:57am

re: #212 HappyWarrior

Upding for Simpsons reference.

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Timothy Watson Apr 22, 2016 • 9:33:16am

re: #204 HappyWarrior

Along with Seymour Butts. I think Ivana Tinkle is backing Trump though. No word about how Amanda Huggenkiss is backing.

I have a sudden urge to watch early Simpsons episodes now.

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wrenchwench Apr 22, 2016 • 9:33:25am

re: #206 Stanley Sea

She’s great, bugged me all night, now asleep under the couch. Slowly but surely we’ll be buds.

She looks just like my first kitty, Bippie. As in ‘You bet your sweet…’

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HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 9:33:39am

re: #215 Timothy Watson

I have a sudden urge to watch early Simpsons episodes now.

Mission accomplished but yeah me too.

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nines09 Apr 22, 2016 • 9:33:50am

re: #157 FormerDirtDart

“That’s how you make deals, and I’m a marvelous dealmaker, have you seen my magnificent hands on deals?”

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Eclectic Cyborg Apr 22, 2016 • 9:34:44am

I have a feeling Trumps eventual fall is going to be YUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE.

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HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 9:36:07am

re: #219 Eclectic Cyborg

I have a feeling Trumps eventual fall is going to be YUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE.

It’s going to be awesome. Maybe he decides that America doesn’t deserve his greatness and he moves to an island in the middle of the arctic ans hires a bunch of polar bears to be his guards but they just take his coke a cola instead.

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Lidane Apr 22, 2016 • 9:36:10am

Still more qualified than the GOP candidates:

Facebook Post

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Backwoods_Sleuth Apr 22, 2016 • 9:38:14am

welp…

.@Reince is very much rejecting the never-Trump movement in his speech to the general session

— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) April 22, 2016

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HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 9:39:35am

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

welp…

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The Never Trump movement has always been empty as hell. Nearly all of those saying they won’t support him will be saying by this summer that Trump is an excellent businessman and the outsider Washington needs after eight years of Obama.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Apr 22, 2016 • 9:41:02am

O_o

Wow. John Kasich: “I feel badly about Prince. Not really, though.” https://t.co/3XWS9e1W6O #PrinceRIP #Prince pic.twitter.com/w8dqr5xm7H

— Tommy Christopher (@tommyxtopher) April 22, 2016

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ObserverArt Apr 22, 2016 • 9:41:22am

re: #193 Backwoods_Sleuth

more hmmm…

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From NBC4i Columbus.

Police: Seven dead after shooting in Pike County

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PIKE COUNTY, OH (WCMH) — Police are responding to multiple scenes near the Pike and Adams county line where at least seven people are dead.

Law enforcement sources tell NBC4 there are a total of three scenes near Piketon, Ohio along Union Hill Road. Those same sources confirmed seven bodies at those multiple locations.

The attorney general’s office said a dozen Bureau of Criminal Investigation agents had been called to Pike County, an economically struggling area in the Appalachian region some 80 miles east of Cincinnati. Spokesman Dan Tierney says the Pike County sheriff’s office requested state help at 8:20 a.m.

Tierney had no information on whether a suspect was in custody. Agents headed to the scene included members of Criminal Intelligence, Cyber Crimes and Special Investigations.

more on today’s shooting in Ohio.

crime scene is at 3 different houses:

Crime scene is at 3 different houses. 5 BCI investigation trucks. Never seen so many. Latest at 4 @Local12 pic.twitter.com/FlufaVLhx1

— Rich Jaffe (@RAJaffe) April 22, 2016

Attorney general confirms “execution style” murders in Pike Co. 5 adults/2children. Latest at 4 @Local12 pic.twitter.com/0t0C8Ll8V6

— Rich Jaffe (@RAJaffe) April 22, 2016

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Belafon Apr 22, 2016 • 10:56:21am

re: #309 Great White Snark

Big pic-Voting in our system might be regarded as a privilege. A high privilege. At least high enough a convicted rapist might just be a voice we can do without in an election. My view is that when considered as a voting block, no thanks. I mean, yikes.

I’d have to disagree. Voting is the most direct way to interact with the government that affects your life. It’s a right, not a privilege. If you can’t vote, you have no control over what happens to you.

And then throw into the mix that too many minorities are targeted to take away their ability to vote.

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Blind Frog Belly White Apr 22, 2016 • 10:56:39am

re: #309 Great White Snark

I would add that my personal feeling is that our society makes a mistake dealing with sex crimes just as crimes, and not as a mental illness issue, but since we do so, I don’t think that a skin-crawling reaction to an idea is a good justification for not restoring rights to someone who has completed their sentence.

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nines09 Apr 22, 2016 • 10:56:42am

re: #306 Lidane

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Backwoods_Sleuth Apr 22, 2016 • 10:58:54am

Press release from @OhioAG @Local12 pic.twitter.com/k0rKs2wOgn

— Brad Underwood (@BUnderwoodWKRC) April 22, 2016

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Franklin Apr 22, 2016 • 10:58:57am

Yes!

Silicon Valley is coming back for a Season 4! And you haven’t even seen Season 3 yet, which premieres this Sunday Apr 24th! It’s dope af.

— Kumail Nanjiani (@kumailn) April 22, 2016

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Kragar Apr 22, 2016 • 10:59:17am

re: #314 HappyWarrior

… @infowars pic.twitter.com/1x895KDoal

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) April 21, 2016

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HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 10:59:55am

re: #322 Kragar

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So predictable.

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jaunte Apr 22, 2016 • 11:01:59am

re: #322 Kragar

“No boys, sadly, ‘twas the Jade Helm fever.”

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HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 11:03:05am

re: #324 jaunte

“No boys, sadly, ‘twas the Jade Helm fever.”

I’m still getting over my Illumantikemia.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Apr 22, 2016 • 11:05:59am

re: #324 jaunte

“No boys, sadly, ‘twas the Jade Helm fever.”

Shit! I forgot about Jade Helm! How’s Texas gonna secede? Weren’t they totally subjugated and ground under the iron heel of UN tyranny?

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jaunte Apr 22, 2016 • 11:06:39am

re: #326 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It rained, and everyone’s brains were washed clean of the memory.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Apr 22, 2016 • 11:08:07am

re: #327 jaunte

It rained, and everyone’s brains were washed clean of the memory.

There was no thought process involved there, it was all knee-jerk reflex to anything Obama says or does.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Apr 22, 2016 • 11:10:05am

re: #328 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

There was no thought process involved there, it was all knee-jerk reflex to anything Obama says or does.

And the same operation would have taken place and been run the same way no matter who was in the White House. These people are just fucking deranged.

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nines09 Apr 22, 2016 • 11:10:57am

More Trump caring and concern. huffingtonpost.com

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Great White Snark Apr 22, 2016 • 11:13:50am

A convicted rapist gets let out of jail, his incarceration period is over. Has he really repaid his debt to society? Not in my view. Not ever. Ask his victims. I don’t want the thug vote in our system. “What could possibly go wrong?” comes to mind.

Non violent offenders, fine, with an exception. Nobody that violates a voting law at felony level ever gets to vote again either. They worked to undermine the system they can be spectators from then on.

A democracy needs to be open like an open mind. Not so open the brains fall out.

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goddamnedfrank Apr 22, 2016 • 11:14:21am

“I feel badly about Prince. Not really, though.” -John Kasich, olympic level shitwitted cocksatchel. https://t.co/eUKQIOVE4r

— Putain Démocratique (@goddamnedfrank) April 22, 2016

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FormerDirtDart Apr 22, 2016 • 11:15:08am

8th body found at 4th location in Pike County, suspect ‘probably loose,’ Ohio attorney general says - WLWT https://t.co/AIIuzAZzH5

— Breaking News (@BreakingNews) April 22, 2016

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Blind Frog Belly White Apr 22, 2016 • 11:15:11am

re: #329 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And the same operation would have taken place and been run the same way no matter who was in the White House. These people are just fucking deranged.

You forget - when a Republican is President, the Federal Government is our friend, whom we should not question, or we’re being treasonous. When a Democrat is President, it’s part of the Global (fill in the name of your favorite bad thing) Conspiracy, and to NOT question it is treasonous.

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Great White Snark Apr 22, 2016 • 11:15:49am

re: #312 wrenchwench

Voting is a right, not a privilege. Disgusting people have the right to vote. Unless they are felons in some states.

Is it not well established that rights are not absolute, in fact far from it? We can and do restrict individual rights given criminal behavior. Speech (threats online) gun ownership, even religious rights have limits. Why not the vote?

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Decatur Deb Apr 22, 2016 • 11:17:12am

re: #331 Great White Snark

A convicted rapist gets let out of jail, his incarceration period is over. Has he really repaid his debt to society? Not in my view. Not ever. Ask his victims. I don’t want the thug vote in our system. “What could possibly go wrong?” comes to mind.

Non violent offenders, fine, with an exception. Nobody that violates a voting law at felony level ever gets to vote again either. They worked to undermine the system they can be spectators from then on.

A democracy needs to be open like an open mind. Not so open the brains fall out.

Alabama is fairly nuanced. Felonies are divided into ‘moral turpitude’ and others. It’s pretty easier, and becoming easier, to restore rights to those who don’t meet the book definition of the former.

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Blind Frog Belly White Apr 22, 2016 • 11:17:25am

re: #331 Great White Snark

A convicted rapist gets let out of jail, his incarceration period is over. Has he really repaid his debt to society? Not in my view. Not ever. Ask his victims. I don’t want the thug vote in our system. “What could possibly go wrong?” comes to mind.

Non violent offenders, fine, with an exception. Nobody that violates a voting law at felony level ever gets to vote again either. They worked to undermine the system they can be spectators from then on.

A democracy needs to be open like an open mind. Not so open the brains fall out.

Okay, go ahead. What COULD possibly go wrong? Please expand.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Apr 22, 2016 • 11:17:55am

re: #336 Decatur Deb

Alabama is fairly nuanced. Felonies are divided into ‘moral turpitude’ and others. It’s pretty easier, and becoming easier, to restore rights to those who don’t meet the book definition of the former.

Politicians who commit felonies should be barred from voting or holding office for life.

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Timothy Watson Apr 22, 2016 • 11:18:04am

re: #331 Great White Snark

A convicted rapist gets let out of jail, his incarceration period is over. Has he really repaid his debt to society? Not in my view. Not ever. Ask his victims. I don’t want the thug vote in our system. “What could possibly go wrong?” comes to mind.

Non violent offenders, fine, with an exception. Nobody that violates a voting law at felony level ever gets to vote again either. They worked to undermine the system they can be spectators from then on.

A democracy needs to be open like an open mind. Not so open the brains fall out.

In Virginia, a rapist doesn’t simply get out of prison, he almost certainly has a period of probation (or parole), and he’s not eligible for restoration of rights during that period.

In fact, he’s not eligible for restoration of rights until 3 years after his probation (or parole) sentence ends.

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FormerDirtDart Apr 22, 2016 • 11:18:06am

OBAMA IS USING FORREST FIRES TO OPEN BORDERS WITH MEXICO!!!!!

Borders blur as U.S. and Mexican crews in West Texas work together along the Rio Grande https://t.co/mAZHzN5RJ3 pic.twitter.com/9byslqvtWn

— The New York Times (@nytimes) April 22, 2016

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Stanley Sea Apr 22, 2016 • 11:18:07am

re: #330 nines09

More Trump caring and concern. huffingtonpost.com

Hillary better use this shit.

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calochortus Apr 22, 2016 • 11:18:31am

re: #331 Great White Snark

A convicted rapist gets let out of jail, his incarceration period is over. Has he really repaid his debt to society? Not in my view. Not ever. Ask his victims. I don’t want the thug vote in our system. “What could possibly go wrong?” comes to mind.

Non violent offenders, fine, with an exception. Nobody that violates a voting law at felony level ever gets to vote again either. They worked to undermine the system they can be spectators from then on.

A democracy needs to be open like an open mind. Not so open the brains fall out.

Has anyone ever truly repaid their debt to society? How do you single out rapists as being uniquely evil, as opposed to a murderer, or even a nonviolent offender who stole every cent from an elderly widow and made her final years a living hell?

The whole point of our criminal justice system is that even if you have done something that can’t really be undone or adequately recompensed, there is almost always the possibility of the punishment being over and returning to life in civil society.

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Decatur Deb Apr 22, 2016 • 11:19:02am

re: #338 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Politicians who commit felonies should be barred from voting or holding office for life.

Depends. Felony weight grass?

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Belafon Apr 22, 2016 • 11:19:45am

re: #335 Great White Snark

Is it not well established that rights are not absolute, in fact far from it? We can and do restrict individual rights given criminal behavior. Speech (threats online) gun ownership, even religious rights have limits. Why not the vote?

None of the other rights can be restricted for political reasons, for example, you can’t take away a persons right to speak out against the government. Voting is by definition speaking to the government.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Apr 22, 2016 • 11:19:53am

re: #343 Decatur Deb

Depends. Felony weight grass?

If they voted against decriminalization, then yes…,

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Great White Snark Apr 22, 2016 • 11:21:05am

re: #342 calochortus

Returning to civil society means out of jail, able to work and move freely. It does not mean restoration of all rights and privileges. Can’t get a gun either and we like it like that.

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Decatur Deb Apr 22, 2016 • 11:21:05am

re: #345 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

If they voted against decriminalization, then yes…,

At that point we’ve got to trust the voters to ‘retire’ him.

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wrenchwench Apr 22, 2016 • 11:21:17am

re: #335 Great White Snark

Is it not well established that rights are not absolute, in fact far from it? We can and do restrict individual rights given criminal behavior. Speech (threats online) gun ownership, even religious rights have limits. Why not the vote?

I have no problem with a felon losing the right to vote while incarcerated, or otherwise serving his or her sentence. But forever? For some? Then come the questions, which ones? For what crimes? Too much. They don’t lose their citizenship, why the right to vote?

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Romantic Heretic Apr 22, 2016 • 11:21:24am

re: #258 HappyWarrior

I’m not going to give Chamberlain too many points. He honestly thought the Munich agreement was going to work.

He even maintained that belief when they had to fill the ink pots in the room where the agreement was about to be signed. Yeah, Herr Shicklegruber was so intent on peace he forgot make sure there was ink available for the signing. //

Chamberlain didn’t really get behind British re-armament until after the Munich Treaty was broken by Herr Shicklegruber.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Apr 22, 2016 • 11:21:53am

How Fascism Works

Several delegates and party leaders told POLITICO that the rising atmosphere of fear has silenced some critics and led party leaders to eye extra security for state conventions and local gatherings where Trump supporters might take exception to the results.

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HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 11:23:00am

re: #349 Romantic Heretic

I’m not going to give Chamberlain too many points. He honestly thought the Munich agreement was going to work.

He even maintained that belief when they had to fill the ink pots in the room where the agreement was about to be signed. Yeah, Herr Shicklegruber was so intent on peace he forgot make sure there was ink available for the signing. //

Chamberlain didn’t really get behind British re-armament until after the Munich Treaty was broken by Herr Shicklegruber.

That’s fair. I just think that he’s too often used by people who don’t understand the complex nature of the reality of 1938 Europe and to liken everything to the Munich Agreement which was obviously a mistake.

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Blind Frog Belly White Apr 22, 2016 • 11:23:34am

re: #348 wrenchwench

I have no problem with a felon losing the right to vote while incarcerated, or otherwise serving his or her sentence. But forever? For some? Then come the questions, which ones? For what crimes? Too much. They don’t lose their citizenship, why the right to vote?

One might reasonably argue that if you lose the right to vote, one of our founding principles would suggest the government should lose the authority to tax you.

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Great White Snark Apr 22, 2016 • 11:23:42am

re: #344 Belafon

Threats online are not allowed, nor threats against the President of federal employees. That is (rightly so) clear examples of restricted speech. A felon may write the goverment, email, even cajole and help a campaign. That’s a lot of communication options. And only a partial list

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goddamnedfrank Apr 22, 2016 • 11:23:55am

re: #335 Great White Snark

Is it not well established that rights are not absolute, in fact far from it? We can and do restrict individual rights given criminal behavior. Speech (threats online) gun ownership, even religious rights have limits. Why not the vote?

Because the vote is possibly the only real check against structural corruption within the justice system. Thus, allowing the justice system to shape the electorate via its own abuses is anathema to the very concept of a functioning democracy.

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calochortus Apr 22, 2016 • 11:24:59am

re: #346 Great White Snark

Returning to civil society means out of jail, able to work and move freely. It does not mean restoration of all rights and privileges. Can’t get a gun either and we like it like that.

I just don’t see the practical reason for removing the ability to vote from felons. Why that and not their right to refuse to quarter troops in their home? Keeping them from owning guns does have a practical purpose, those even that might be less important for someone whose felony involved, say fraud.

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Blind Frog Belly White Apr 22, 2016 • 11:25:49am

re: #354 goddamnedfrank

Because the vote is possibly the only real check against structural corruption within the justice system. Thus, allowing the justice system to shape the electorate via its own abuses is anathema to the very concept of a functioning democracy.

This. See also my #303.

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CuriousLurker Apr 22, 2016 • 11:25:52am

re: #309 Great White Snark

Big pic-Voting in our system might be regarded as a privilege. A high privilege. At least high enough a convicted rapist might just be a voice we can do without in an election. My view is that when considered as a voting block, no thanks. I mean, yikes.

I’m sorry, but that still doesn’t make any sense to me. So white men granted this “privilege” to black men, (15th Amendment, ratified in 1870, but crippled by Jim Crow laws), women (19th Amendment, ratified in 1920), and were also generous enough to prohibit racial discrimination nearly 100 years after black men got the right vote (Civil Rights Act of 1965)? It’s a right, it’s “the cornerstone of our democracy and the fundamental right upon which all our civil liberties rest,” to borrow from the ACLU.

As for rapists being able to vote, the GOP might be less opposed to that since so many of the RWNJs have weird ideas about what constitutes rape and whether or not women impregnated by their rapists should be allowed to have abortions. Sorry, but you left yourself wide open on that one.

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HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 11:26:21am

I look at it this way. A person has served their time. Why punish them further. I understand we do prohibit guns but I think the franchise and guns especially if that person has committed a particularly violent felony are different.

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Romantic Heretic Apr 22, 2016 • 11:26:26am

re: #316 Backwoods_Sleuth

More human sacrifices to water The Tree of Liberty.

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Belafon Apr 22, 2016 • 11:26:31am

re: #353 Great White Snark

Threats online are not allowed, nor threats against the President of federal employees. That is (rightly so) clear examples of restricted speech. A felon may write the goverment, email, even cajole and help a campaign. That’s a lot of communication options. And only a partial list

A vote is not a threat. The closest thing it resembles is a petition of the government, which, if I understand the ability to file claims, you don’t lose while you’re in jail.

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Great White Snark Apr 22, 2016 • 11:28:23am

re: #354 goddamnedfrank

Directly proportionate to the degree, I agree. We can easily afford the disenfranchisement of the violent felons without upsetting our checks and balances. same as we can afford to not let them use that other individual right they had. Buying a gun. We are allowed as a society to leave them relatively defenseless to protect ourselves.

Guys I got work, will catch up later.

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goddamnedfrank Apr 22, 2016 • 11:30:05am

re: #360 Belafon

A vote is not a threat. The closest thing it resembles is a petition of the government, which, if I understand the ability to file claims, you don’t lose while you’re in jail.

The right “to petition the government for a redress of grievances” is literally part of the 1st Amendment. Felons absolutely should be allowed to vote, we should be encouraging them to participate as stakeholders in our democracy. All shutting them out of the voting booth does is further alienate them and foster anti-social sentiment within their population.

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CuriousLurker Apr 22, 2016 • 11:30:42am

re: #331 Great White Snark

A convicted rapist gets let out of jail, his incarceration period is over. Has he really repaid his debt to society? Not in my view. Not ever. Ask his victims. I don’t want the thug vote in our system. “What could possibly go wrong?” comes to mind.

So then maybe we should just make rape a capital offense, punishable by life in prison with no parole or the death penalty?

Non violent offenders, fine, with an exception. Nobody that violates a voting law at felony level ever gets to vote again either. They worked to undermine the system they can be spectators from then on.

I agree with this one—abuse the system, lose your right to vote.

A democracy needs to be open like an open mind. Not so open the brains fall out.

Are you implying anyone who disagrees might have had their brains fall out of their heads? Sounds kinda snarky, my friend.

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Decatur Deb Apr 22, 2016 • 11:31:50am

Failure to register for the draft, if male, is a felony with a penalty up to 5 yrs/$250,000.

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goddamnedfrank Apr 22, 2016 • 11:31:55am

re: #361 Great White Snark

Directly proportionate to the degree, I agree. We can easily afford the disenfranchisement of the violent felons without upsetting our checks and balances. same as we can afford to not let them use that other individual right they had. Buying a gun. We are allowed as a society to leave them relatively defenseless to protect ourselves.

Guys I got work, will catch up later.

Except the vote and the gun are not comparable in the least. We risk nothing at all by allowing felons to vote and gain enormously by encouraging them to think of themselves as part of the larger society.

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Nojay UK Apr 22, 2016 • 11:32:03am

re: #360 Belafon

A vote is not a threat. The closest thing it resembles is a petition of the government, which, if I understand the ability to file claims, you don’t lose while you’re in jail.

If I might interject from this side of the Pond, a vote in a democracy is an exercise of citizenship, not a right or a privilege. Withdrawing it from a subset of the population is akin to taking away part of their citizenship. Free speech, the RKBA etc. are individual rights and may be abridged in certain circumstances. The most direct method of interacting with the government that rules your life should not be abridgeable. My five Euro cents.

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CuriousLurker Apr 22, 2016 • 11:33:05am

re: #346 Great White Snark

Returning to civil society means out of jail, able to work and move freely. It does not mean restoration of all rights and privileges. Can’t get a gun either and we like it like that.

There’s good reason for that, especially where violent felons are concerned, most sex offenders (AFAIK) have to be on a registry and can’t be near kids, etc.

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Belafon Apr 22, 2016 • 11:33:54am

re: #361 Great White Snark

I know you’ve got a particular example, but that’s not how this country works. You remove the right for felons to work, so conservatives create all of these laws that make drugs felonies, and then go disproportionately after blacks. So, you reduce it to violent crimes, and guess what, blacks are more likely to get arrested and sentenced for them (think of the black woman in Florida who was convicted of firing her gun in the air to scare off her ex husband when it’s OK for Zimmerman to shoot Martin). There’s a reason we have a constitutional amendment against poll taxes, which conservatives seem to keep trying to work around.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN Apr 22, 2016 • 11:35:37am

re: #349 Romantic Heretic

Hitler was actually infuriated when the British and French gave in to his demands at Munich. He knew they were in an impossible situation and wanted to get the full advantage out of milking the “Sudetenland question”

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CuriousLurker Apr 22, 2016 • 11:35:41am

re: #345 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

If they voted against decriminalization, then yes…,

Heh.

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Belafon Apr 22, 2016 • 11:36:26am

re: #366 Nojay UK

If I might interject from this side of the Pond, a vote in a democracy is an exercise of citizenship, not a right or a privilege. Withdrawing it from a subset of the population is akin to taking away part of their citizenship. Free speech, the RKBA etc. are individual rights and may be abridged in certain circumstances. The most direct method of interacting with the government that rules your life should not be abridgeable. My five Euro cents.

What you said is what I was trying to say.

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Blind Frog Belly White Apr 22, 2016 • 11:38:09am

re: #361 Great White Snark

Directly proportionate to the degree, I agree. We can easily afford the disenfranchisement of the violent felons without upsetting our checks and balances. same as we can afford to not let them use that other individual right they had. Buying a gun. We are allowed as a society to leave them relatively defenseless to protect ourselves.

Guys I got work, will catch up later.

But if our system is rife with racism and disproportionately convicts blacks of felonies, including violent felonies, what you actually have is a system for disenfranchising one race disproportionately.

Indeed, the other side of this is often the argument the Right uses: “Felons are more likely to vote Democratic, so of course Democrats want felons to vote!” But really, it’s not that FELONS are more aligned with the Left, it’s that felons are disproportionately black, and blacks are disproportionately Democrats.

Flip it over, and you see the same kind of logic Kasich uses to support the disenfranchisement of DC residents - if we let them elect a voting representative, we’d just be adding another Democrat. Nothing about principle, just winning.

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Decatur Deb Apr 22, 2016 • 11:40:23am

re: #372 Blind Frog Belly White

But if our system is rife with racism and disproportionately convicts blacks of felonies, including violent felonies, what you actually have is a system for disenfranchising one race disproportionately.

Indeed, the other side of this is often the argument the Right uses: “Felons are more likely to vote Democratic, so of course Democrats want felons to vote!” But really, it’s not that FELONS are more aligned with the Left, it’s that felons are disproportionately black, and blacks are disproportionately Democrats.

Flip it over, and you see the same kind of logic Kasich uses to support the disenfranchisement of DC residents - if we let them elect a voting representative, we’d just be adding another Democrat. Nothing about principle, just winning.

I would hope that the Left is more aligned with the right sort of felons.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Apr 22, 2016 • 11:40:41am

#prince autopsy is complete pic.twitter.com/2ZLYEnELfC

— Linsey Davis (@LinseyDavis) April 22, 2016

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Dr. Matt Apr 22, 2016 • 11:42:27am

re: #374 Backwoods_Sleuth

By all accounts it sounds like he probably died from an accidental overdose. We’ll see what the tox and final coroner’s report says in a few weeks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Apr 22, 2016 • 11:43:41am

How many people asked before the shop put this sign up?https://t.co/rHtoJV3Xq0 pic.twitter.com/9vQjt0mwz4

— The Poke (@ThePoke) April 22, 2016

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BeachDem Apr 22, 2016 • 11:49:23am

re: #244 ObserverArt

I have a feeling one of the dead was the shooter. It sort of sounds like one of those I’m pissed at the whole damn family and I’m going to take them all out kinds of killings. There have been too many of those in Ohio over the last couple years.

But, as warm-hearted gov Johnny would say, Ohio just needs to “Get over it.”

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HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 11:50:55am

re: #377 BeachDem

But, as warm-hearted gov Johnny would say, Ohio just needs to “Get over it.”

I have to say Re: Kasich, I have really been seeing what you both mean. He really is an asshole of the same caliber of Trump and Cruz.

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Franklin Apr 22, 2016 • 11:51:26am

pic.twitter.com/GHTQyIV6U3

— Elaine Young (@ElaineYoung94) April 13, 2016

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HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 11:52:28am

re: #379 Franklin

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I’d think all the children and grandchildren of the homophobic evangelical ministers would also be good evidence.

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wrenchwench Apr 22, 2016 • 11:53:47am

re: #380 HappyWarrior

I’d think all the children and grandchildren of the homophobic evangelical ministers would also be good evidence.

Except rather than closeted, many of them are basemented.

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HappyWarrior Apr 22, 2016 • 11:55:00am

re: #381 wrenchwench

Except rather than closeted, many of them are basemented.

Right. It’s awful in any case. Nice family values they got there.

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Blind Frog Belly White Apr 22, 2016 • 11:57:47am

Another thing occurs to me about the voting rights for felons issue - for-profit prisons. An industry has been growing which makes profit off of the incarcerated - more prisoners, more profit. And with profit comes the ability to lobby legislatures for tougher laws, more convictions, etc. Fewer voters, and all from the poor end of the economic scale.

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Great White Snark Apr 22, 2016 • 11:58:02am

re: #363 CuriousLurker

So then maybe we should just make rape a capital offense, punishable by life in prison with no parole or the death penalty?

I agree with this one—abuse the system, lose your right to vote.

Are you implying anyone who disagrees might have had their brains fall out of their heads? Sounds kinda snarky, my friend.

I mean if a Democracy can’t even exclude those most motivated from doing physical harm to others, the Democracy itself (not any individuals here) has a policy of open voting that is way too open. And I do oppose capitol punishment and automatic life without parole. Let the judge and juries pick the duration. Let society well regulate who gets to vote.

After all voting is just one way to participate.

When it come to the violent predator I am a hard ass about them. Due process, system based jurisprudence with a very strict eye on protecting the good from the violent. IMHO as always. ;-)

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CuriousLurker Apr 22, 2016 • 11:58:21am

re: #376 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m trying to envision a “cat dairy” where they’ve managed to hook a multitude of cats up to tiny little miking machines, but I as soon as I start thinking about it…

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Blind Frog Belly White Apr 22, 2016 • 12:05:36pm

re: #384 Great White Snark

I mean if a Democracy can’t even exclude those most motivated from doing physical harm to others, the Democracy itself (not any individuals here) has a policy of open voting that is way too open. And I do oppose capitol punishment and automatic life without parole. Let the judge and juries pick the duration. Let society well regulate who gets to vote.

After all voting is just one way to participate.

When it come to the violent predator I am a hard ass about them. Due process, system based jurisprudence with a very strict eye on protecting the good from the violent. IMHO as always. ;-)

I don’t understand what you’re afraid of. Could you please try and articulate it better, because so far all I’m getting is that it makes you feel icky, and that’s not a cogent argument.

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CuriousLurker Apr 22, 2016 • 12:12:55pm

re: #384 Great White Snark

I guess we’re going to have to agree to disagree on this. As Nojay said (much more clearly than I) in his #366, “a vote in a democracy is an exercise of citizenship, not a right or a privilege.” While the right to bear arms may also be regarded as an exercise of citizenship, taking someone’s 2A rights away does not prevent them from participating in our system of government (unless their idea of participation is to use said firearms against the federal government, as some wingnuts seem wont to do).

What I’m saying is that (IMO) your example was comparing apples to oranges, so you’ll have to come up with a more convincing analogy.

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Great White Snark Apr 22, 2016 • 12:13:02pm

re: #386 Blind Frog Belly White

In my view violent felons voting are a direct conflict of interest in a democratic civilization. They seek to do harm. We can do wll without them.
Or turn this around-What harm has come from restricting voting rights of violent felons? If we can’t prove harm, what’s the motive to seek those votes?

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Alephnaught Apr 22, 2016 • 12:18:57pm

re: #385 CuriousLurker

I’m trying to envision a “cat dairy” where they’ve managed to hook a multitude of cats up to tiny little miking machines, but I as soon as I start thinking about it…

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Take a look at @SeniorDads’s Tweet:

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— The Senior Dads (@SeniorDads) April 22, 2016

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CuriousLurker Apr 22, 2016 • 12:19:31pm

re: #388 Great White Snark

In my view violent felons voting are a direct conflict of interest in a democratic civilization. They seek to do harm. We can do wll without them.
Or turn this around-What harm has come from restricting voting rights of violent felons? If we can’t prove harm, what’s the motive to seek those votes?

To my ear that sounds kinda like, “If we can’t prove that God does/doesn’t exist, what’s the point of being an atheist (or a Christian, Muslims, etc.)?”

How, pray tell, would you go about proving whether or not restricting voting rights of violent felons causes harm?

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Great White Snark Apr 22, 2016 • 12:20:23pm

re: #387 CuriousLurker

Yeah, we see this different. If “inalienable” has any meaning, it puts individual rights on an even keel. The highest standard of resistance to removing or diminishing that right. Our right to free speech can no more be restricted than our right to choose our faith. Of course the Second Amendment is not looked at that way, but that’s another topic entirely.

It’s not just an exercise, it’s a decision making process for a nation. That’s why we need not let certain people vote. Non citizens. Non adults. Violent felons.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Apr 22, 2016 • 12:21:52pm

re: #391 Great White Snark

Yeah, we see this different. If “inalienable” has any meaning, it puts individual rights on an even keel. The highest standard of resistance to removing or diminishing that right. Our right to free speech can no more be restricted than our right to choose our faith. Of course the Second Amendment is not looked at that way, but that’s another topic entirely.

It’s not just an exercise, it’s a decision making process for a nation. That’s why we need not let certain people vote. Non citizens. Non adults. Violent felons.

One of these things is not like the others….

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Eventual Carrion Apr 22, 2016 • 12:22:48pm

re: #376 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Blind Frog Belly White Apr 22, 2016 • 12:23:41pm

re: #388 Great White Snark

In my view violent felons voting are a direct conflict of interest in a democratic civilization. They seek to do harm. We can do wll without them.
Or turn this around-What harm has come from restricting voting rights of violent felons? If we can’t prove harm, what’s the motive to seek those votes?

You’ve got it ass-backwards. YOU need to prove harm to DENY them their rights. WRT harms, I detailed them above.

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CuriousLurker Apr 22, 2016 • 12:25:57pm

re: #391 Great White Snark

Okay, lets turn this around using your #388.

Can you prove that allowing violent felons to vote causes harm? If we can’t prove harm, what’s the motive for restricting those votes?

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CuriousLurker Apr 22, 2016 • 12:26:26pm

re: #393 Eventual Carrion

But baby oil does come from babies.

Gah, I LOL in spite of myself!

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Great White Snark Apr 22, 2016 • 12:27:09pm

re: #392 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

One of these things is not like the others….

That’s okay, they don’t have to match. A demonstrated interest in doing harm as completely rejecting our most basic personal rights, such as a continued existence alive, or having the interest of another nation first, or being to immature for that decision to be trustworthy.

Dude wants to kill and then be allowed to vote? No. Patently unfair to the law abiding.

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Great White Snark Apr 22, 2016 • 12:29:00pm

re: #395 CuriousLurker

OKay, lets turn this around using your #388.

Can you prove that allowing violent felons to vote causes harm? If we can’t prove harm, what’s the motive for restricting those votes?

I can assert the conflict of interest as described above. Proof? Not sure such a thing is even possible, as in proving a negative. Risk v gain is a legit standard though IMHO.

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sagehen Apr 22, 2016 • 12:29:32pm

re: #391 Great White Snark

It’s not just an exercise, it’s a decision making process for a nation. That’s why we need not let certain people vote. Non citizens. Non adults. Violent felons.

Let’s start with the fact that “violent” and “felon” are not synonyms. Possession of drugs is often a felony. Check-kiting. Embezzlement. And a hundred other things.

The way to keep violent felons from screwing up other people’s lives… is to keep them locked up. If somebody poses little enough danger to let them roam the streets without supervision, then letting them have 1/670,000th share of choosing a congressman doesn’t do us any damage either.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Apr 22, 2016 • 12:31:33pm

re: #397 Great White Snark

That’s okay, they don’t have to match. A demonstrated interest in doing harm as completely rejecting our most basic personal rights, such as a continued existence alive, or having the interest of another nation first, or being to immature for that decision to be trustworthy.

Dude wants to kill and then be allowed to vote? No. Patently unfair to the law abiding.

So how well-behaved does one have to be to be “worthy” of the franchise?

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Great White Snark Apr 22, 2016 • 12:33:46pm

re: #399 sagehen

Where did I treat those things as synonyms? I carefully pointed out the opposite. Whats up with that?

For clarity-IMHO Non violent felons may vote in my view just to repeat what I said above. Misdemeanor violence is not enough to lose the right to vote. Both felonious and violent together is what I refer to, nobody else.

If we must restore voting rights we would then have to look at restoring all their rights. Including living near a school for child predators. Hell no.

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Blind Frog Belly White Apr 22, 2016 • 12:35:14pm

re: #398 Great White Snark

I can assert the conflict of interest as described above. Proof? Not sure such a thing is even possible, as in proving a negative. Risk v gain is a legit standard though IMHO.

You can assert it, but without proof all you have is that assertion, which you propose to use to take away a very basic right.

Note also that ‘violent felon’ could be someone who punched someone else once.

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wrenchwench Apr 22, 2016 • 12:40:34pm

re: #401 Great White Snark

Where did I treat those things as synonyms? I carefully pointed out the opposite. Whats up with that?

For clarity-IMHO Non violent felons may vote in my view just to repeat what I said above. Misdemeanor violence is not enough to lose the right to vote. Both felonious and violent together is what I refer to, nobody else.

If we must restore voting rights we would then have to look at restoring all their rights. Including living near a school for child predators. Hell no.

OK, what about the woman who hit me with her car? She was found guilty of felony reckless driving. There was violence, but without intent (‘disregard’ for the safety of others). She is appealing her conviction, but if she loses that, she doesn’t vote.

Do you want to create the need to distinguish among felons to determine who deserves the vote and who no longer does?

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CuriousLurker Apr 22, 2016 • 12:44:41pm

re: #398 Great White Snark

I can assert the conflict of interest as described above. Proof? Not sure such a thing is even possible, as in proving a negative. Risk v gain is a legit standard though IMHO.

You’re the one who brought up proof in your #388, not me. Risk or gain needs to be proved, doesn’t it? What constitutes risk/gain and to whom?

You’re entitled to your opinion, but in my opinion denying someone a right (or function or whatever you want to call it) that is a part of their citizenship shouldn’t be something done based on one’s personal, uneducated (in a legal sense) opinion, nor should it be done based solely on political partisanship and/or state’s rights, which seems to be what’s been happening. It’s a serious matter.

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Great White Snark Apr 22, 2016 • 12:47:35pm

re: #402 Blind Frog Belly White

That would be a misdemeanor, or highly atypical. Aberrational. When I say violent felon I’m thinking rapist, murderer, assault with intent, assault with a deadly weapon etc. Not marginal or unjust exceptions to what one might normally anticipate.

re: #403 wrenchwench

OK, what about the woman who hit me with her car? She was found guilty of felony reckless driving. There was violence, but without intent (‘disregard’ for the safety of others). She is appealing her conviction, but if she loses that, she doesn’t vote.

Do you want to create the need to distinguish among felons to determine who deserves the vote and who no longer does?

We can distinguish among felons for all kinds of things already, one more is fine with me. If she had killed you I would be fine with her never ever voting again. Given that you lived, I my feelings are mixed.

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CuriousLurker Apr 22, 2016 • 12:50:55pm

re: #401 Great White Snark

If we must restore voting rights we would then have to look at restoring all their rights. Including living near a school for child predators. Hell no.

Is that one of the “inalienable rights” you mentioned previously? Let’s turn that around: If we’re going to deny violent felons rights that are a function of citizenship, then shouldn’t we just strip them of their citizenship altogether and be done with them?

That sounds kind of absurd, doesn’t it?

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Apr 22, 2016 • 12:52:16pm

Always a fantastic day to see someone arguing for disenfranchising folks. Gives me warm fuzzies. (Needed after my walk in the rain, let me say.)

There’s a parallel here to the whole gay marriage thing. Marriage is held, by the government, to be a fundamental right. Barring access to that right requires that the government can show some demonstrable reason why it is in the public’s interest that it needs to be restricted. Icky feelings and a desire to punish don’t necessarily qualify.

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Great White Snark Apr 22, 2016 • 12:53:31pm

re: #404 CuriousLurker

You’re the one who brought up proof in your #388, not me. Risk or gain needs to be proved, doesn’t it? What constitutes risk/gain and to whom?

You’re entitled to your opinion, but in my opinion denying someone a right (or function or whatever you want to call it) that is a part of their citizenship shouldn’t be something done based on one’s personal, uneducated (in a legal sense) opinion, nor should it be done based solely on political partisanship and/or state’s rights, which seems to be what’s been happening. It’s a serious matter.

I thought perhaps some incidents or situations could be cited to change my mind, so I put the question out there. Be that as it may, my motivation here is completely divorced from states rights, personal issues etc. I don’t see how the thug/killer/rapist vote can be a gain for our society. Perhaps some rehabilitation process could be worked up for after some period of legal behavior but as an automatic matter of law, well no thanks.

What we have has plenty of issues, but just restoring voting rights for killers is not an idea I can get behind.

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Great White Snark Apr 22, 2016 • 12:58:00pm

re: #407 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Always a fantastic day to see someone arguing for disenfranchising folks. Gives me warm fuzzies. (Needed after my walk in the rain, let me say.)

There’s a parallel here to the whole gay marriage thing. Marriage is held, by the government, to be a fundamental right. Barring access to that right requires that the government can show some demonstrable reason why it is in the public’s interest that it needs to be restricted. Icky feelings and a desire to punish don’t necessarily qualify.

Now wait a minute, that s a heck of a stretch. I point out killers and you draw a comparison to homosexuality. It’s wildly unfair to equate non violent love and deliberate murder. Icky feelings about killers and other violent predators are hardly inappropriate.

With that I’m done, more productive conversations to be had as close a one thread up. Buh bye.

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sagehen Apr 22, 2016 • 12:58:09pm

re: #408 Great White Snark

I thought perhaps some incidents or situations could be cited to change my mind, so I put the question out there. Be that as it may, my motivation here is completely divorced from states rights, personal issues etc. I don’t see how the thug/killer/rapist vote can be a gain for our society. Perhaps some rehabilitation process could be worked up for after some period of legal behavior but as an automatic matter of law, well no thanks.

What we have has plenty of issues, but just restoring voting rights for killers is not an idea I can get behind.

Are there a lot of convicted murderers out and about? ‘Cause I was under the impression they’re in prison.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Apr 22, 2016 • 12:58:48pm

re: #409 Great White Snark

Now wait a minute, that s a heck of a stretch. I point out killers and you draw a comparison to homosexuality. It’s wildly unfair to equate non violent love and deliberate murder. Icky feelings about killers and other violent predators are hardly inappropriate.

With that I’m done, more productive conversations to be had as close a one thread up. Buh bye.

Way to utterly miss the point of the comparison I was making. Excellent job.

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wrenchwench Apr 22, 2016 • 12:59:00pm

re: #405 Great White Snark

That would be a misdemeanor, or highly atypical. Aberrational. When I say violent felon I’m thinking rapist, murderer, assault with intent, assault with a deadly weapon etc. Not marginal or unjust exceptions to what one might normally anticipate.

We can distinguish among felons for all kinds of things already, one more is fine with me. If she had killed you I would be fine with her never ever voting again. Given that you lived, I my feelings are mixed.

In February, a woman was hit a block away and killed. The woman who hit her got a misdemeanor. I spoke to the DA and the Asst. DA (who tried my case) to understand the difference. It came down to the misdemeanor taking place in extreme low visibility and the felony took place in broad daylight.

Making those kinds of distinctions are the DA’s job. It is not her job to decide who can vote. All citizens can vote. Those who have committed crimes you see as beyond the pale may lose their vote as they lose their freedom, but even murderers don’t go to jail forever. When they get out, they are citizens and neighbors. Let’s make an effort to treat them as such, not to condemn them for life beyond a reasonable sentence.

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CuriousLurker Apr 22, 2016 • 1:02:53pm

re: #408 Great White Snark

What we have has plenty of issues, but just restoring voting rights for killers is not an idea I can get behind.

Wait—now it’s killers? You lost me there. Not all violent felons are killers.

I don’t see how the bigot/racist vote can be a gain for our society as they’re free to use said vote to disenfranchise others (Muslims, atheists, LGBT people, racial minorities, etc.), so shall we take away their votes since they can cause (and have in the past caused) harm, and besides I don’t like or respect them?

Anyway, I’m tired of going round & round. I consider you a friend, but we’re obviously never going to agree on this matter, so I’d rather just move on.

No harm, no foul. :)

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Nojay UK Apr 22, 2016 • 1:07:35pm

re: #387 CuriousLurker

I guess we’re going to have to agree to disagree on this. As Nojay said (much more clearly than I) in his #366, “a vote in a democracy is an exercise of citizenship, not a right or a privilege.”

I had to go out for a bit so I got back to this a little later than I intended.

A foundation stone of the United States is that the colonists were denied representation in Parliament and they rebelled, taking up arms against their government for that reason among others and resulting in the Declaration of Independence. Denying an opportunity to directly voice their opinion about the government that rules them to someone convicted of an offence means they are tempted to turn to other means to make their choices known, including armed resistance to a government they see themselves deliberately excluded from just as the Founding Fathers did.

If Abraham Lincoln saw no reason to bar the secessionist rebel Confederates from the ballot box after they surrendered in 1865 I don’t see why the current State or federal governments should remove suffrage forever from someone who once punched someone else in the face in a drunken brawl. Setting a bar on how serious the offence was as a condition of restoring suffrage is just asking for a poll tax redux, never mind the issues of false imprisonment and guilty verdicts being reversed after appeals.

Britain is starting to make noises about permitting incarcerated prisoners to vote. It’s a long way off and not a universally popular idea (to say the least) but it’s being discussed.

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CuriousLurker Apr 22, 2016 • 1:11:02pm

re: #414 Nojay UK

Thanks for following up with context. Makes sense to me.

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Great White Snark Apr 22, 2016 • 1:15:36pm

re: #410 sagehen

Done with the debate but i’ll leave you this bit.

80 PERCENT OF MURDERERS ELIGIBLE FOR PAROLE RELEASED

SACRAMENTO — State officials released new numbers on prison parolees: Governor Jerry Brown has released about 80 percent of convicted murderers eligible for parole. Victims’ rights activists are speaking out.
Crime Victims Action Alliance is calling on Governor Brown to release more detailed information on the convicted killers whose releases he declined to stop last year.

The state parole board approved 400 releases — just 10 percent of the cases — and the governor reversed only 71 decisions. That gives Brown, a Democrat, a higher release rate than his two predecessors. Brown’s release rate stands at 80 percent.

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CuriousLurker Apr 22, 2016 • 1:16:48pm

P.S. I’m just gonna leave this here, emphasis mine:

Criminal Re-enfranchisement

Dating back to the Jim Crow era, a patchwork of state felony disfranchisement laws, which vary in severity from state to state, prevent approximately 5.85 million Americans with felony and, in several states, misdemeanor convictions from voting. Confusion about and misapplication of these laws also de facto disenfranchise countless other Americans.

Many disenfranchised citizens live in Florida, Iowa, or Kentucky, the three states with extreme policies of disenfranchising anyone with a felony conviction for life. These states are among those that also disproportionately suppress the voting rights of black people. In Florida and Kentucky, approximately one in five black citizens is disenfranchised due to a prior conviction. In Iowa, the longstanding system of disenfranchisement, paired with the worst disproportionate incarceration rate of black people in the nation, resulted in the disenfranchisement of an estimated one in four voting-age black men by 2005.

aclu.org

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CuriousLurker Apr 22, 2016 • 1:37:16pm

One more resource, for anyone who wants to learn more:

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Great White Snark Apr 22, 2016 • 2:40:10pm

re: #417 CuriousLurker

Probably made this clear already but just as an abundance of caution / clarity-FTR none of that abuse of the concept as you showed happens is what I support. My premise is about rightly convicted violent felons. Economic, race, religion blind, a differentiation strictly about the violence they chose to commit is in my view.

The wrongly or unfairly convicted of course deserve no punishment at all. They deserve to be free by way of acquittal or freed later by way of justice.

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CuriousLurker Apr 22, 2016 • 6:36:23pm

re: #419 Great White Snark

I know you’re not the sort of person who supports bigotry or racism in any form, but the whole “blind justice” concept is is pie in the sky. It’s a lovely ideal, but in reality the system is rigged. Ask any lawyer and they’ll tell you that justice and the law are not the same thing.

It’s not only our justice system that’s rigged, so is the media. One of the books I’m reading now is called Within the Veil: Black Journalists, White Media by Pamela Newkirk, who is not only the author of several books, but also a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist in her own right and a professor of journalism at NYU. The book was published back in 2000, so I suppose some things have changed, but certainly not all of them. Reading it has been a HUGE eye-opener.

One of the other books on my wish list is Arbitrary Justice: The Power of the American Prosecutor by Angela J. Davis, who is an author, former public defender, and professor of law at American University Washington College of Law.

Below are a couple of clips of each of them available on YouTube. These are clearly highly educated, accomplished, and very serious women, not a couple of barking partisan moonbats who aren’t at all grounded in reality. You might want to listen to them and carefully consider what they have to say.

New Media Is Not Filling the Void