GOP Delegates Getting Death Threats From Trump Supporters

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Donald Trump has been openly encouraging his delusional right wing followers to get violent against protesters, and hinting broadly about “riots” at the upcoming GOP convention, so this shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone: Delegates face death threats from Trump supporters.

First it was an email warning Steve House, the Colorado GOP chairman, to hide his family members and “pray you make it to Cleveland.” Then there was the angry man who called his cellphone and told him to put a gun down his throat.

“He said, ‘I’ll call back in two minutes, and if you’re still there, I’ll come over and help you,’” House recalled.

Since Donald Trump came up empty in his quest for delegates at the Republican state assembly in Colorado Springs nearly two weeks ago, his angry supporters have responded to Trump’s own claims of a “rigged” nomination process by lashing out at Republican National Committee delegates that they believe won’t support Trump at the party’s convention — including House.

The mild-mannered chairman estimates he’s gotten between 4,000 and 5,000 calls on his cellphone. Many, he says, have ended with productive conversations. He’s referred the more threatening, violent calls to police. His cellphone is still buzzing this week, as he attends the RNC quarterly meetings in Florida, and he’s not the only one.

In hotel hallways and across dinner tables, many party leaders attending this week’s meetings shared similar stories. One party chairman says a Trump supporter recently got in his face and promised “bloodshed” if Trump doesn’t win the GOP presidential nomination. An Indiana delegate who criticized Trump received a note warning against “traditional burial” that ended with, “We are watching you.”

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1
wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 25, 2016 • 8:32:06am

The GOP convention meets Game of Thrones.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2016 • 8:32:41am

There are reasons not to be The Party of Stupid. This is a major one of them. There is no way this cannot hurt the party’s image.

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Great White Snark  Apr 25, 2016 • 8:34:23am

He can rehabilitate his demeanor on camera but he can’t stop the hate train he fueled up and rides to the convention.

And he just keeps going up in the primary polls.

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Targetpractice  Apr 25, 2016 • 8:44:10am

It’s looking more and more like Cleveland is gonna be a disaster regardless of the outcome. It’s not hard to see this mental image of Trump standing atop the rubble as he celebrates the nomination.

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Schroedinger's Dog  Apr 25, 2016 • 8:48:53am

We may finally be seeing the wingularity.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 25, 2016 • 8:49:02am

Imagine my surprise.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 25, 2016 • 8:50:54am

Bundy Buddies Added Dicks To Indian Petroglyphs….

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 25, 2016 • 8:52:43am

re: #7 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Bundy Buddies Added Dicks To Indian Petroglyphs….

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Juvenile idiots, like those Scout leaders who tipped over a balanced rock in some national park.

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withak  Apr 25, 2016 • 8:53:27am

re: #8 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Juvenile idiots, like those Scout leaders who tipped over a balanced rock in some national park.

And yet, those that sent them dildos as a prank were castigated for being immature.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2016 • 8:55:18am

re: #9 withak

And yet, those that sent them dildos as a prank were castigated for being immature.

they were summoning the ancient Anasazi gods to send them dildos from heaven

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stpaulbear  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:00:12am

Ugh. I’m getting an ad from Judicial Watch asking me to sign their petition to investigate Hillary.

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stpaulbear  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:04:07am

re: #4 Targetpractice

It’s looking more and more like Cleveland is gonna be a disaster regardless of the outcome. It’s not hard to see this mental image of Trump standing atop the rubble as he celebrates the nomination.

Village Of The Damned.

It’s going to be something to watch. Can’t wait to see how the media spins it as just normal debate- nothing to see there. I bet they try to downplay the OMGodliness of the convention.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:04:22am

re: #11 stpaulbear

Ugh. I’m getting an ad from Judicial Watch asking me to sign their petition to investigate Hillary.

The GOP knows that they’re fucked and the next best option is to open impeachment proceedings against Hillary before the convention even starts…

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lawhawk  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:04:25am

re: #8 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It was a state park - Goblin Valley State Park, but your point holds. There’s a reason that the National Parks closed when the govt shut down a few years back. There are assholes like the Bundy nuts who will shit all over federal lands, damage facilities and priceless artifacts for no reason other than their personal amusement or because they think they’re entitled to do so.

There’s also a reason that there are severe penalties for violating the Antiquities Act and laws regarding vandalism and other damage to federal lands.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:05:20am

re: #12 stpaulbear

Village Of The Damned.

It’s going to be something to watch. Can’t wait to see how the media spins it as just normal debate- nothing to see there. I bet they try to downplay the OMGodliness of the convention.

The media loves a trainwreck, they may not be able to spin it.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:05:33am
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Targetpractice  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:07:13am

re: #12 stpaulbear

Village Of The Damned.

It’s going to be something to watch. Can’t wait to see how the media spins it as just normal debate- nothing to see there. I bet they try to downplay the OMGodliness of the convention.

Between Trump and Cruz/Kasich, the final result is going to end up pleasing nobody. Any effort to stop Trump will lead to torches and pitchforks, but nominating him will not only lead to forfeiting the White House but possibly Congress.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:09:48am

re: #17 Targetpractice

Between Trump and Cruz/Kasich, the final result is going to end up pleasing nobody. Any effort to stop Trump will lead to torches and pitchforks, but nominating him will not only lead to forfeiting the White House but possibly Congress.

Aww…can’t we have both?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:10:47am

re: #14 lawhawk

It was a state park - Goblin Valley State Park, but your point holds. There’s a reason that the National Parks closed when the govt shut down a few years back. There are assholes like the Bundy nuts who will shit all over federal lands, damage facilities and priceless artifacts for no reason other than their personal amusement or because they think they’re entitled to do so.

There’s also a reason that there are severe penalties for violating the Antiquities Act and laws regarding vandalism and other damage to federal lands.

Thanks for the correction. I couldn’t remember it clearly. But IIRC those two idiots got fined big time, and lost their Scout leader posts besides.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:11:09am

re: #15 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

The media loves a trainwreck, they may not be able to spin it.

Of course. Obama’s fault that the country is so divided…

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lawhawk  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:11:10am

re: #17 Targetpractice

Most likely outcome of a Trump nomination is that the GOP loses the Senate, and the GOP majority in the House is reduced, but they remain in control there. With gerrymandering, I don’t see how the GOP loses the House.

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stpaulbear  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:14:03am

re: #14 lawhawk

It was a state park - Goblin Valley State Park, but your point holds. There’s a reason that the National Parks closed when the govt shut down a few years back. There are assholes like the Bundy nuts who will shit all over federal lands, damage facilities and priceless artifacts for no reason other than their personal amusement or because they think they’re entitled to do so.

There’s also a reason that there are severe penalties for violating the Antiquities Act and laws regarding vandalism and other damage to federal lands.

MN had a government shutdown in the first three weeks of July, 2011. State Parks were shut down for that period, and a few of the park buildings were vandalized. It cost a shitload of money to repair them.

The one good thing that came of it was that nobody was camping in St. Croix State Park when an epic storm of straight line winds tore through the park and severely damaged most of the park and destroyed a couple of group campgrounds. If there would have been campers in the park, a lot of people would have died. I visited the park about a month after the blowdown and there was a mindboggling amount of damage.

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ObserverArt  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:16:41am

re: #16 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

‘I’m not desperate, are you?’: Watch John Kasich snap at reporters after teaming up with Cruz

Imagine that. John Kasich being a surly dick. Just like always…

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Targetpractice  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:16:50am

re: #21 lawhawk

Most likely outcome of a Trump nomination is that the GOP loses the Senate, and the GOP majority in the House is reduced, but they remain in control there. With gerrymandering, I don’t see how the GOP loses the House.

True, odds are pretty strong that the House will remain in GOP hands. But the most likely victims of a Trump-inspired purge are likely to be those “moderates” in purple and blue states who cannot do enough to disassociate themselves from Trump. Which means the House we tune into next year will likely be even more of a clusterfuck (if such things are possible) as the “Freedom Caucus” starts ratcheting up the pressure on Ryan (or his successor) to do their bidding.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:19:07am

re: #24 Targetpractice

True, odds are pretty strong that the House will remain in GOP hands. But the most likely victims of a Trump-inspired purge are likely to be those “moderates” in purple and blue states who cannot do enough to disassociate themselves from Trump. Which means the House we tune into next year will likely be even more of a clusterfuck (if such things are possible) as the “Freedom Caucus” starts ratcheting up the pressure on Ryan (or his successor) to do their bidding.

and reminding the party that their last candidate was JUST NOT CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH

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KGxvi  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:24:08am

re: #24 Targetpractice

True, odds are pretty strong that the House will remain in GOP hands. But the most likely victims of a Trump-inspired purge are likely to be those “moderates” in purple and blue states who cannot do enough to disassociate themselves from Trump. Which means the House we tune into next year will likely be even more of a clusterfuck (if such things are possible) as the “Freedom Caucus” starts ratcheting up the pressure on Ryan (or his successor) to do their bidding.

If the Democrats were smart, they would focus on state legislatures this year. If Trump has negative coattails, it would establish a foothold for 2020-2022 when reapportionment comes back up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:25:28am

gah…

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lawhawk  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:25:35am

re: #14 lawhawk

It’s also a good reminder that the chief GOP nut seeking a government shutdown was none other than Ted Cruz. An economic illiterate whose intention is to blow up the government. Shut down government, make it so unworkable - sabotaging all it does, that you have to pare back government spending to nothing. His tax plan calls for massive redistribution of wealth to the rich (they get most of the tax breaks), and the burdens shifted to everyone else - those least able to afford it.

And for all the talk about how the IRC is complex and he wants to get rid of the IRS, he’s proposing a VAT that would be just as complex and require an entirely new agency to handle those returns.

Cruz’s tax policy is bugnuts, but only in matter of degree considering that Trump’s plan would be even more damaging with massive deficits as far as anyone can see.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:29:22am

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

since when is slave ownership not undeserved privilege?

that is not pc, that is basic human rights

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nines09  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:32:56am

The GOP base has had their nose up against the glass looking for a demagogue thug like Trump for years. Fear and loathing. Fear and loathing. Who will save us? Who will save us? There. You found him. Logical conclusion has logical ending.

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lawhawk  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:33:50am

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

Having gone to a bunch of presidential homes/sites over the past few years (Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Jackson, Ike, LBJ, Polk, Lincoln), it’s interesting to see how they portray the presidencies of these men, and many of the issues they’ve faced.

The founders and their involvement in slavery is discussed in ever greater detail, especially as more information comes to light - at Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, and Washington’s home. Jackson’s slave ownership is also discussed at The Hermitage. You learn that Grant’s in-laws were slave owners. You find out that Wilson’s family owned slaves and that’s where he got his racist outlook.

Depending on the site, you get even more information about those issues - Jefferson and Madison in particular. For LBJ, there was a lot of discussion about his expanding Vietnam - criticism, while taking a nuanced view of the civil rights legislation.

Jackson was a slave owner whose actions led to the Trail of Tears. Those actions have to be measured against the expansion of US territory (and putting down an insurrectionist movement during his term). Removing him from the front of the $20 doesn’t mean we’ve gone PC. It’s that there are others who are as, or more, deserving of being on US currency.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:34:40am

re: #28 lawhawk

It’s also a good reminder that the chief GOP nut seeking a government shutdown was none other than Ted Cruz. An economic illiterate whose intention is to blow up the government.

He appeals to economic illiterates, but this guy knows exactly what he is doing. He is too smart to believe even half the bullshit he peddles, which is what makes him so terrifyingly dangerous.

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lawhawk  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:37:03am

“race relations are the worst in decades”… It’s Obama’s fault that the racists have come out in full force and effect to complain and undermine his presidency at every opportunity. There are some people who can’t see equal rights and protection under the law as a good thing because they think their own rights have been diminished in the process, even though everyone is now supposed to be on an even playing field under the law.

It’s why the GOP continues to oppose extending equal rights and protections to minorities (especially voting rights) and the LBGT (especially on gay marriage). They feel that their own rights are diminished when others have the same rights as they have long enjoyed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:37:58am

re: #33 lawhawk

It’s why the GOP continues to oppose extending equal rights and protections to minorities (especially voting rights) and the LBGT (especially on gay marriage). They feel that their own rights are diminished when others have the same rights as they have long enjoyed.

What’s the fun in having something unless you can deny it to others?

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withak  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:38:10am

Yeah, I can’t understand why Hastert isn’t being thrown under the bus. It’s just disgusting that he’s being defended by anyone.

I’ll put on my conspiracy hat for a second and maybe it’s because Hastert has some dirt on DeLay & co.

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lawhawk  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:38:30am

re: #32 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I agree that he’s even more dangerous than Trump since he’s a true believer/zealot, but not sure that I buy that he’s too smart not to buy the BS he’s peddling.

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lawhawk  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:39:23am
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Belafon  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:39:43am

re: #31 lawhawk

My parents, when we were arguing over the flag again, pointed out that Grant owned slaves. I went and looked it up. He was given one slave by his father IIRC, which he first worked along side of, and then later freed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:41:30am

re: #36 lawhawk

I agree that he’s even more dangerous than Trump since he’s a true believer/zealot, but not sure that I buy that he’s too smart not to buy the BS he’s peddling.

That is how I read him.

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Belafon  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:41:31am

re: #35 withak

Yeah, I can’t understand why Hastert isn’t being thrown under the bus. It’s just disgusting that he’s being defended by anyone.

I’ll put on my conspiracy hat for a second and maybe it’s because Hastert has some dirt on DeLay & co.

The next step, if IOKIYAR fails, is RACATF (Republicans are Christian and therefore forgiven).

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:43:30am

re: #10 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

they were summoning the ancient Anasazi gods to send them dildos from heaven

I may have owned that movie at one time.

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BeachDem  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:47:48am

re: #16 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

‘I’m not desperate, are you?’: Watch John Kasich snap at reporters after teaming up with Cruz

Charles P. Pierce has a delightful recap of the Cruz/Kasich alliance move:

Cruz and Kasich Are Playing Poker with Trump. They’re Losing.

Highlights:

The two-car funeral finally seems to be underway.

With conspirators like these, Caesar would have spent March 15 in a brothel, avoided the Senate for a month, and died of old age in his summer place in Gaul.

That Cruz—as unprincipled an opportunist as anyone not named Willard Romney—would do something he’d previously said he never would do was completely predictable.

esquire.com

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:48:34am

re: #38 Belafon

My parents, when we were arguing over the flag again, pointed out that Grant owned slaves. I went and looked it up. He was given one slave by his father IIRC, which he first worked along side of, and then later freed.

Mrs. Grant’s family were big slaveowners, though.

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nines09  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:49:59am

re: #35 withak

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Yeah, I can’t understand why Hastert isn’t being thrown under the bus. It’s just disgusting that he’s being defended by anyone.

I’ll put on my conspiracy hat for a second and maybe it’s because Hastert has some dirt on DeLay & co.

I always think of what I call “The Cockroach Theory”. If you see/catch one, there are dozens more. All these years. How many were there? And his political friends are defending the indefensible. After all….

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:51:00am

re: #43 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Mrs. Grant’s family were big slaveowners, though.

It’s interesting to go through Mary Todd Lincoln’s home in Lexington, KY. That was a family divided by slavery.

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Belafon  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:51:02am

re: #43 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Mrs. Grant’s family were big slaveowners, though.

I bet Christmases after 1865 were fun.

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KGxvi  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:55:19am

re: #31 lawhawk

Having gone to a bunch of presidential homes/sites over the past few years (Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Jackson, Ike, LBJ, Polk, Lincoln), it’s interesting to see how they portray the presidencies of these men, and many of the issues they’ve faced.

The founders and their involvement in slavery is discussed in ever greater detail, especially as more information comes to light - at Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, and Washington’s home. Jackson’s slave ownership is also discussed at The Hermitage. You learn that Grant’s in-laws were slave owners. You find out that Wilson’s family owned slaves and that’s where he got his racist outlook.

Depending on the site, you get even more information about those issues - Jefferson and Madison in particular. For LBJ, there was a lot of discussion about his expanding Vietnam - criticism, while taking a nuanced view of the civil rights legislation.

Jackson was a slave owner whose actions led to the Trail of Tears. Those actions have to be measured against the expansion of US territory (and putting down an insurrectionist movement during his term). Removing him from the front of the $20 doesn’t mean we’ve gone PC. It’s that there are others who are as, or more, deserving of being on US currency.

It’s often about who controls the flow of information. The Nixon Library, before it was taken over by the National Archives, was run by a private foundation with ties to Nixon. The Watergate Room was specifically designed to make you move past it as quickly as possible - it was a darkened hallway, where the lights shown on the floor in the shape of arrows, the written summaries where white on black and shifted distances and fonts. I was warned about it the first time I went and still fell victim to it, I had to go back through and do it again. That was one of the things that had to be changed before it could be transferred to the National Archives.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:57:12am

re: #38 Belafon

My parents, when we were arguing over the flag again, pointed out that Grant owned slaves. I went and looked it up. He was given one slave by his father IIRC, which he first worked along side of, and then later freed.

I think it was his in laws that had the slaves. His parents were abolitionists I believe and since the Grants lived in Ohio, I don’t think they would have had any in the first place. It’s a silly argument anyhow. Grant clearly valued the Union above the right to own slaves and Robert E. Lee being a benevolent and reluctant slave owner is a myth. In fact, I’d say the whole myth of the benevolent slave owner is just that a myth. Obviously, some were more cruel than others but there’s no such thing as a benevolent slave owner.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:58:36am

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

gah…

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I really regret voting for this man. I mean Allen was an even worse bigot and revisionist when it came to slavery and the CSA but Webb is pretty damn bad too. Thank goodness he resigned and we got Kaine in that Senate seat.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 9:59:37am

re: #35 withak

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Yeah, I can’t understand why Hastert isn’t being thrown under the bus. It’s just disgusting that he’s being defended by anyone.

I’ll put on my conspiracy hat for a second and maybe it’s because Hastert has some dirt on DeLay & co.

More of those famous conservative family values in action again. Hastert not only abused children but covered it u but hey Go go team GOP! I mean it’s not like Hastert made the mistake of being a liberal Democrat. //

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Jenner7  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:01:46am

The man that Bernie Sanders forgot

This is where Bernie Sanders, the Vermont senator who jolted the 2016 race with his brewed-in-Burlington blend of democratic socialism, comes in. Because that’s one more thing that’s unique about John Fetterman — unlike almost all of Pennsylvania’s Democratic go-along-get-along insider cronies, the Braddock mayor has endorsed Sanders for president. Why wouldn’t he? Fetterman’s promises to shake up Washington and to end big-money politics and the useless “war on drugs” are EXACTLY what Sanders is talking about when he calls for a “political revolution.”

Given the money and political power stacked against him, Fetterman says he needs Sanders’ help to have any chance next Tuesday, the same day as the Pennsylvania presidential primary. So far, however, it has not been forthcoming. There’s been no endorsement, no fundraising support, no joint appearances. Fetterman’s campaign finds this confounding. On the ground, he says, there’s enormous overlap between his supporters and the Sanders grassroots. (“The crowd at the Fishtown brewpub is young, liberal, urban. They rave about Sanders—and Fetterman,” says a recent Philadelphia Inquirer story.) In a three-way race, he believes, Sanders’ backing could be decisive; Fetterman estimates that he’ll win if he gets 60 or 70 percent of Sanders’ voters.

philly.com

Wonder why that is?? Because Bernie could care less about the Democratic Party.

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Jenner7  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:03:33am

Haha.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:04:36am

re: #51 Jenner7

The man that Bernie Sanders forgot

philly.com

Wonder why that is?? Because Bernie could care less about the Democratic Party.

Bernie couldn’t care less about anyone who isn’t Bernie Sanders.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:06:05am

re: #51 Jenner7

The man that Bernie Sanders forgot

philly.com

Wonder why that is?? Because Bernie could care less about the Democratic Party.

It’s selfish is what it is. Bernie does the usual politician talk- it’s not about me, it’s about you blah blah but in the end, he has shown that it’s really all about Bernie. I think it’s absolutely pathetic that Bernie can’t bother to campaign with or raise money for Fetterman. But in the end, it to me speaks what a selfish candidate Bernie is. Bernie it would seem to me would prefer to portray himself as the only real progressive voice even though there are other voices. I’ll tell you this much. If the PA Dems nominate Fetterman, Clinton will campaign for and with him a lot more than Sanders would have and that’s one thing that I think she deserves tons of credit for is that she’s able to work with the various factions of the Democratic Party. Bernie OTOH I can’t say the same for.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:07:15am

re: #53 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bernie couldn’t care less about anyone who isn’t Bernie Sanders.

He got pissed apparently when a reporter asked him about this in Vermont- why he hasn’t campaigned or raised money for other like minded candidates. Honestly, if I were Fetterman, I’d be pissed and tell Bernie to fuck off but granted I’m not Fetterman.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:13:40am

Bernie is going to be in my neighborhood tomorrow (neighborhood meaning within 50 miles): Huntington WV.
Interesting location choice for a Bernie rally.

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lawhawk  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:13:58am

re: #47 KGxvi

Good point. Some of the homes are run by private foundations (Hermitage, Monticello, and Ash Highlawn come to mind), while others are managed by the NPS or National Archives. They each have different goals/accountabilities.

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Kragar  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:15:37am

“The motion to dismiss in this case will challenge the Federal Government’s authority to assert ownership over the land that is now known as the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge,” Bundy’s defense attorneys wrote in a court filing Friday asking for more time to file a motion to dismiss the charges against him for lack of jurisdiction. It was first flagged by the Oregonian. “It is Defendant’s position that this authority is critical to the Federal Government’s authority to have federal employees work on that land. Jurisdiction in this case will determine whether the Federal Government can prosecute protesters for being there at all.”

According to the documents filed Friday, Bundy’s defense will argue that the Constitution was “only intended to give broad federal power of property in Territories, as the Founders contemplated the expansion westward.”

“Once statehood occurred for Oregon, Congress lost the right to own the land inside the state,” the defense argued in the brief.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:16:37am

I’d far more respect for Senator Sanders if he actually found like minded individuals like Mayor Fetterman and campaigned for them. I mean if you genuinely want to change a party and I do feel the Democratic Party could benefit from changes then the best thing to do is to campaign and raise money for them if you’re in a position of influence like Bernie is as both a Senator and a Presidential candidate. I get that part of this is because Bernie to put it bluntly isn’t and hasn’t been a Democrat but it still shows one of his biggest flaws and honestly the progressive wing in the party that backs him should be furious about these kind of things by him.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:17:11am

Two opponents working together against you = evil
conspiracy

Your followers issuing death threats against delegates = totally ok, ok?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:18:45am

re: #58 Kragar

Bundy’s extreme legal defense: Feds have no jurisdiction over federal lands!

Let him be tried by the native American tribe that had original jurisdiction.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:20:08am
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Shimshon  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:20:33am

Their vocal fans online are convinced any negative news is propaganda, so all these people sending death threats are just false flag operations. They have all the required beliefs of a dangerous authoritarian.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:20:49am

re: #51 Jenner7

Just as well. He would never beat Toomey in November.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:22:33am

re: #63 Shimshon

Their vocal fans online are convinced any negative news is propaganda, so all these people sending death threats are just false flag operations. They have all the required beliefs of a dangerous authoritarian.

Which is why Alex Jones is far more authoritarian than those he fears.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:23:47am

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just in: CO Supreme Court denies case from baker who refused cake to gays. Appeals court ruling against baker stands

When they came for the cake bakers, I said nothing…

/

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Great White Snark  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:23:52am

re: #58 Kragar

Chuck Johnson school of law?

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Kragar  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:28:28am

re: #67 Great White Snark

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:29:25am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:30:22am

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

Clinton wraps up the guns section of her speech in Delaware with no mention of Sanders. She has largely ignored him since NY.

Why does she need to attack her opponent? She is fully capable of running on her own record and qualifications.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:30:52am

re: #1 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The GOP convention meets Game of Thrones.

Would that be PPV, On-Demand, or available to all cable subscribers?

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Kragar  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:32:34am

re: #70 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Kragar  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:35:50am
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lawhawk  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:36:46am

re: #70 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Why does she need to attack her opponent? She is fully capable of running on her own record and qualifications.

It’s all part of the pivot to the general election. She knows that the delegate math favors her, so there’s no reason to piss off Bernie supporters - and she might need ‘em in November. So treat Bernie as a non-entity and focus on her own strengths and the GOP weaknesses.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:39:03am

re: #73 Kragar

man, having a undisciplined ego-maniac as your nominee has all sorts of unintended consequences.

The Party of Stupid. And Egomaniacal. And Bigoted. And Xenophobic. And Violent…

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Belafon  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:42:29am

re: #74 lawhawk

It’s all part of the pivot to the general election. She knows that the delegate math favors her, so there’s no reason to piss off Bernie supporters - and she might need ‘em in November. So treat Bernie as a non-entity and focus on her own strengths and the GOP weaknesses.

Which will be the worst thing ever, unless she attacks him again.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:43:57am

re: #75 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The GOP is like the Pirahana brothers from Monty Python-with Donald Trump as Dinsdale and Ted Cruz as Doug. (Kasich is Kirkegaard, biting the heads off whippets.)

(And Hilary is Spiny Norman.)

dinsdale!

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CuriousLurker  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:44:23am

re: #58 Kragar

So they’re gonna school a federal judge on how federal law works? That sounds like a winning proposition. //

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stpaulbear  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:44:32am

re: #74 lawhawk

It’s all part of the pivot to the general election. She knows that the delegate math favors her, so there’s no reason to piss off Bernie supporters - and she might need ‘em in November. So treat Bernie as a non-entity and focus on her own strengths and the GOP weaknesses.

But she’s not letting the Sanders Revolution write her platform for her!!1!1

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wrenchwench  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:47:43am
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William Lewis  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:47:48am

re: #79 stpaulbear

But she’s not letting the Sanders Revolution write her platform for her!!1!1

So let them. Then ignore it like candidates always do. Platforms are meaningless.

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lawhawk  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:48:31am

re: #78 CuriousLurker

Well, the flag has fringes… /////

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:51:00am

I know this is from The Intercept, but Clapper’s whine makes it sound like it’s a bad thing:

Spy Chief Complains That Edward Snowden Sped Up Spread of Encryption by 7 Years

THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE on Monday blamed NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden for advancing the development of user-friendly, widely available strong encryption.

“As a result of the Snowden revelations, the onset of commercial encryption has accelerated by seven years,” James Clapper said during a breakfast for journalists hosted by the Christian Science Monitor.

The shortened timeline has had “a profound effect on our ability to collect, particularly against terrorists,” he said.

When pressed by The Intercept to explain his figure, Clapper said it came from the National Security Agency. “The projected growth maturation and installation of commercially available encryption — what they had forecasted for seven years ahead, three years ago, was accelerated to now, because of the revelation of the leaks.”

Asked if that was a good thing, leading to better protection for American consumers from the arms race of hackers constantly trying to penetrate software worldwide, Clapper answered no.

“From our standpoint, it’s not … it’s not a good thing,” he said.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:53:28am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:54:48am

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump is condemning Terry McAuliffe giving felons the right to vote in Virginia as “disgusting and dishonest”

One would think that Trump polls well among felons…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:58:28am

re: #58 Kragar

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lawhawk  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:58:33am

How Christianity helped create American democracy.

Yeah, fleeing religious persecution, a bunch of folks who were Christian (and a few who were from different religious backgrounds) came to the US. And promptly began taking land that belonged to others - Native Americans, Mexicans/Spanish/French/British, etc.

Since then, Christianity has been used to justify slavery, segregation, opposing civil and equal rights, oppose equal rights and protection for minorities and LBGT.

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Belafon  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:58:44am

re: #83 Eric The Fruit Bat

I know this is from The Intercept, but Clapper’s whine makes it sound like it’s a bad thing:

Spy Chief Complains That Edward Snowden Sped Up Spread of Encryption by 7 Years

From his POV, it’s actually pretty easy to understand the concern. The Imitation Game was on last night, and they mention that the work of Turing and the rest of the team shortened the war effort by two years. Imagine if the Germans had made seven years of advancement because they found out the Allies had their code.

Security and privacy are always in conflict.

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lawhawk  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:58:47am

re: #86 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

There’s that Landsharkhorse again.

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uncah91  Apr 25, 2016 • 10:59:27am

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So the other 40 (IIRC) states that already allow felons to vote at some point are also disgusting?

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Belafon  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:00:15am

re: #87 lawhawk

Burning witches is the only real way to start a democracy.

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stpaulbear  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:01:00am

re: #81 William Lewis

So let them. Then ignore it like candidates always do. Platforms are meaningless.

But Sanders has CONDITIONS!!

George Takei on my facebook feed this morning: ‘We all should listen up, and carefully. This matters a great deal for many reasons.’

SANDERS TELLS CLINTON WHAT HIS SUPPORT WOULD REQUIRE

PS: Go take a long walk off a short pier, Bernie. Take George with you.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:02:09am

re: #87 lawhawk

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How Christianity helped create American democracy.

Yeah, fleeing religious persecution, a bunch of folks who were Christian (and a few who were from different religious backgrounds) came to the US. And promptly began taking land that belonged to others - Native Americans, Mexicans/Spanish/French/British, etc.

Since then, Christianity has been used to justify slavery, segregation, opposing civil and equal rights, oppose equal rights and protection for minorities and LBGT.

Granted, it was a religious notion born of the Reformation, namely that all are equal before God, that led to the democratic notion that all are equal before the law, but GB is just shilling for a theocracy based on (his interpretation of) the Christian Holy Scriptures.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:02:32am

re: #87 lawhawk

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How Christianity helped create American democracy.

Yeah, fleeing religious persecution, a bunch of folks who were Christian (and a few who were from different religious backgrounds) came to the US. And promptly began taking land that belonged to others - Native Americans, Mexicans/Spanish/French/British, etc.

Since then, Christianity has been used to justify slavery, segregation, opposing civil and equal rights, oppose equal rights and protection for minorities and LBGT.

If Christianity alone is why we’re our Democracy, then why did it take 170+ years from the first English settlers in the New World for us to become Democratic? Oh wait, I know the answer teacher, that damned enlightenment which took root in the era that we had our revolution. Seriously, Christianity and Democracy are not and have never been one and the same. In fact, for much of history they were at odds.

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Brian J.  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:02:35am

re: #86 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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Like that other evidence against evolution, the Crocoduck:

Crocoduck - Straw Man Fallacy against Evolution

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Kragar  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:03:26am

re: #87 lawhawk

The Puritans left England because they were disgusted by the religious freedoms that were allowed and wanted a land where the could discriminate and lead ignorant, bigoted lives, free from the mockery and derision of their neighbors.

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Kragar  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:04:22am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:05:02am

re: #96 Kragar

The Puritans left England because they were disgusted by the religious freedoms that were allowed and wanted a land where the could discriminate and lead ignorant, bigoted lives, free from the mockery and derision of their neighbors.

Anglican England wasn’t exactly free- take the prosecution of Catholics in that country however, the Puritans were much more anti-freedom of religion than they were in favor of it. In fact, it’s their intolerance towards other religious opinions that the colonies and now states of Connecticut and Rhode Island exist.

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A Cranky One  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:05:20am

re: #96 Kragar

The Puritans left England because they were disgusted by the religious freedoms that were allowed and wanted a land where the could discriminate and lead ignorant, bigoted lives, free from the mockery and derision of their neighbors.

Like the Texans who want to secede from the US?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:05:52am

re: #97 Kragar

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Yeah a gun in a bathroom. That’s safe. Sigh fucking right wing Christians and their paranoid delusions of grandeur.no transgendered person is out to sexually assault you. A fellow conservative Republican OTOH………….

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:06:19am

re: #99 A Cranky One

Like the Texans who want to secede from the US?

The Texans were upset because the damned Mexican government had the nerve to tell them they couldn’t own slaves.

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wrenchwench  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:11:03am

I don’t think it bites, but it could slice you…

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plansbandc  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:18:12am
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Kragar  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:26:23am

Fucking BernieBros

“YOU MUST ADDRESS THIS ISSUE EVEN THOUGH YOU DID BECAUSE YOU DON’T AGREE WITH ME!”

LOLNO

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:28:19am

re: #88 Belafon

From his POV, it’s actually pretty easy to understand the concern. The Imitation Game was on last night, and they mention that the work of Turing and the rest of the team shortened the war effort by two years. Imagine if the Germans had made seven years of advancement because they found out the Allies had their code.

Security and privacy are always in conflict.

Experts told the high command several times that it looked like the British were breaking their ciphers, but they refused to believe it, because the Enigma cipher was unbreakable—Q.E.D. The Kriegsmarine did add a fourth rotor to their machines, which bollixed up the works for a solid year and a half.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:29:37am

re: #87 lawhawk

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How Christianity helped create American democracy.

Yeah, fleeing religious persecution, a bunch of folks who were Christian (and a few who were from different religious backgrounds) came to the US. And promptly began taking land that belonged to others - Native Americans, Mexicans/Spanish/French/British, etc.

Since then, Christianity has been used to justify slavery, segregation, opposing civil and equal rights, oppose equal rights and protection for minorities and LBGT.

You can always find a majority to democratically limit someone else’s rights.

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Kragar  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:33:12am
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sagehen  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:34:19am

re: #88 Belafon

From his POV, it’s actually pretty easy to understand the concern. The Imitation Game was on last night, and they mention that the work of Turing and the rest of the team shortened the war effort by two years. Imagine if the Germans had made seven years of advancement because they found out the Allies had their code.

Security and privacy are always in conflict.

Imagine how much sooner we’d have had personal computers and smart phones and fitbits if Turing had been allowed to live his life and continue his work.

(then again… there are days I’m grateful that the stupidest, most embarrassing things I’ve ever said or done were long before anybody had camera phones and YouTube and Twitter.)

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ObserverArt  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:35:16am

I saw Happy Warrior use a word above to describe Bernie that got me to thinking.

The word: Selfish.

And I am thinking the word may describe more than just Bernie. It may describe his whole campaign and in a way some of his supporters.

They want ‘their’ candidate. They want their money in better wages and fairer taxes, free college, free insurance…no wars as in isolationism, no trade with anyone else, etc. Nothing that takes their effort.

And if they don’t get their way, then they will stamp their feet, refuse to vote, or vote for the evil candidate to get their way on down the road after they ruin everything in the process.

Sure we have our economic, trade and foreign affair issues. Big issues. But this is still a democracy and we hope to make more of the world democracies too and one way to do that is to share power and share the benefits. It would make for a better and safer world for all.

But Bernie and his people don’t seem to care about others and don’t seem to want to work with others. They want theirs. Are they really selfish in their own political ways? And, does Bernie really reflect that in his own campaign even if in a subtle way to his followers?

Selfish is no way to run a democracy, no way to run the world and it sure as hell isn’t socialist!

Sure you can have socialism trappings and maybe Bernie is a true democratic socialist. But are all of his followers socialists too or are they in it for the Bernie Benefits???

Just a thought. One word hit me and made me think of Bernie’s supporters in a different way.

I know one thing as a 61 year old artist. I was around a lot of people that saw themselves as hippies. They were all for peace love and understanding. I saw what happened to many of them. They became Yuppie consumers that were all about themselves and what they could gather. I have a feeling a similar dynamic might be occurring in the new Sanders Revolution.

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Belafon  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:38:12am

re: #108 sagehen

Imagine how much sooner we’d have had personal computers and smart phones and fitbits if Turing had been allowed to live his life and continue his work.

(then again… there are days I’m grateful that the stupidest, most embarrassing things I’ve ever said or done were long before anybody had camera phones and YouTube and Twitter.)

Did you ever read the Difference Engine by William Gibson and Bruce Sterling? It was about a world where Babbage was able to get his computing machine to work.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:38:47am

re: #105 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Of course the British were helped by some incredibly poor cyber discipline, especially in the Luftwaffe. There was one idiot in the Fayyum Depression that would send the exact same report—namely, that there was nothing to report—every damned day using the new key for that day! Believe it if you can.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:42:16am

re: #109 ObserverArt

….I know one thing as a 61 year old artist. I was around a lot of people that saw themselves as hippies. They were all for peace love and understanding. I saw what happened to many of them. They became Yuppie consumers that were all about themselves and what they could gather. I have a feeling a similar dynamic might be occurring in the new Sanders Revolution.

A lot of the protest movement in the ’60s was the same way—you notice the antiwar marches and sit-ins and whatnot evaporated the very instant the draft was eliminated.

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allegro  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:43:29am

re: #109 ObserverArt

I saw Happy Warrior use a word above to describe Bernie that got me to thinking.

The word: Selfish.

And I am thinking the word may describe more than just Bernie. It may describe his whole campaign and in a way some of his supporters.

They want ‘their’ candidate. They want their money in better wages and fairer taxes, free college, free insurance…no wars as in isolationism, no trade with anyone else, etc. Nothing that takes their effort.

And if they don’t get their way, then they will stamp their feet, refuse to vote, or vote for the evil candidate to get their way on down the road after they ruin everything in the process.

Sure we have our economic, trade and foreign affair issues. Big issues. But this is still a democracy and we hope to make more of the world democracies too and one way to do that is to share power and share the benefits. It would make for a better and safer world for all.

But Bernie and his people don’t seem to care about others and don’t seem to want to work with others. They want theirs. Are they really selfish in their own political ways? And, does Bernie really reflect that in his own campaign even if in a subtle way to his followers?

Selfish is no way to run a democracy, no way to run the world and it sure as hell isn’t socialist!

Sure you can have socialism trappings and maybe Bernie is a true democratic socialist. But are all of his followers socialists too or are they in it for the Bernie Benefits???

Just a thought. One word hit me and made me think of Bernie’s supporters in a different way.

I know one thing as a 61 year old artist. I was around a lot of people that saw themselves as hippies. They were all for peace love and understanding. I saw what happened to many of them. They became Yuppie consumers that were all about themselves and what they could gather. I have a feeling a similar dynamic might be occurring in the new Sanders Revolution.

Many, perhaps most, of the self-described hippies in Chicago were just consumers of the fashion and music. I didn’t see them change but rather just become consumers of the next trends. Those whose embraced the message of the day were the civil rights and anti-Nam activists who continued the work in their own ways. Many of us became teachers, some politicians, etc.

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jaunte  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:44:53am

re: #104 Kragar

Fucking BernieBros

I had one respond to a re-tweet yesterday. Apparently being suspicious of a “Charles Koch supports Hillary” story means I’m brainwashed.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:45:09am

re: #109 ObserverArt

I saw Happy Warrior use a word above to describe Bernie that got me to thinking.

The word: Selfish.

And I am thinking the word may describe more than just Bernie. It may describe his whole campaign and in a way some of his supporters.

They want ‘their’ candidate. They want their money in better wages and fairer taxes, free college, free insurance…no wars as in isolationism, no trade with anyone else, etc. Nothing that takes their effort.

And if they don’t get their way, then they will stamp their feet, refuse to vote, or vote for the evil candidate to get their way on down the road after they ruin everything in the process.

Sure we have our economic, trade and foreign affair issues. Big issues. But this is still a democracy and we hope to make more of the world democracies too and one way to do that is to share power and share the benefits. It would make for a better and safer world for all.

But Bernie and his people don’t seem to care about others and don’t seem to want to work with others. They want theirs. Are they really selfish in their own political ways? And, does Bernie really reflect that in his own campaign even if in a subtle way to his followers?

Selfish is no way to run a democracy, no way to run the world and it sure as hell isn’t socialist!

Sure you can have socialism trappings and maybe Bernie is a true democratic socialist. But are all of his followers socialists too or are they in it for the Bernie Benefits???

Just a thought. One word hit me and made me think of Bernie’s supporters in a different way.

I know one thing as a 61 year old artist. I was around a lot of people that saw themselves as hippies. They were all for peace love and understanding. I saw what happened to many of them. They became Yuppie consumers that were all about themselves and what they could gather. I have a feeling a similar dynamic might be occurring in the new Sanders Revolution.

It’s just so frustrating because honestly I was on board with Bernie for a while. I really thought there needed to be an alternative to Clinton and I was really hoping he could emerge as a reasonable voice but instead he’s shown himself to be a complete as we said selfish candidate. I don’t know what his deal is but this kind of stuff should disappoint his core supporters but instead they’re likely to ignore it since finding fault with Bernie at this point is impossible for them to do.

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lawhawk  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:45:30am

Pray that the seats are bolted down. Because I sense a great chair tossing opportunity in the future.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:46:02am

re: #114 jaunte

I had one respond to a re-tweet yesterday. Apparently being suspicious of a “Charles Koch supports Hillary” story means I’m brainwashed.

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These people will fall for any fucking thing.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:46:48am

re: #116 lawhawk

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Pray that the seats are bolted down. Because I sense a great chair tossing opportunity in the future.

Knight may have been one of the best coaches who ever lived but in the end, I’ll take someone like Dean Smith and John Wooden who treated his players like men.

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wrenchwench  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:47:28am

re: #114 jaunte

I had one respond to a re-tweet yesterday. Apparently being suspicious of a “Charles Koch supports Hillary” story means I’m brainwashed.

Mmmm, clean brain.

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Jayleia  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:47:39am
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KGxvi  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:47:43am

re: #100 HappyWarrior

Yeah a gun in a bathroom. That’s safe. Sigh fucking right wing Christians and their paranoid delusions of grandeur.no transgendered person is out to sexually assault you. A fellow conservative Republican OTOH………….

It seems pretty obvious that the people pushing this shit have never met a transgender person and have no idea what they deal with in the process. They really seem to think that this is all about creepers wearing a dress so they can see naked women.

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jaunte  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:47:59am

re: #119 wrenchwench

It’s so soft, but I can’t do a thing with it!

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wrenchwench  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:48:57am

re: #122 jaunte

It’s so soft, but I can’t do a thing with it!

Brain conditioner?

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sagehen  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:49:15am

re: #110 Belafon

Did you ever read the Difference Engine by William Gibson and Bruce Sterling? It was about a world where Babbage was able to get his computing machine to work.

I did read it, but so long ago I don’t remember anything about the world-building.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:49:34am

re: #121 KGxvi

It seems pretty obvious that the people pushing this shit have never met a transgender person and have no idea what they deal with in the process. They really seem to think that this is all about creepers wearing a dress so they can see naked women.

I am afraid that too many of them see it simply as God having created two genders and anything that does not belong to one of those categories is a demonic abomination unto the Lord.

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lawhawk  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:50:00am

Glenn Beck, expropriating Passover to power his bigotry.

If anything, there’s a reason that people aren’t that religious anymore. They see religion for what it is, a means to control. But for those who remain “religious” losing that power/control is daunting and must be corrected.

For Beck, this means using Passover, which isn’t even a holiday he celebrates, to somehow reinforce that bigotry should be allowed and enabled by and through religious views.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:50:06am

re: #121 KGxvi

It seems pretty obvious that the people pushing this shit have never met a transgender person and have no idea what they deal with in the process. They really seem to think that this is all about creepers wearing a dress so they can see naked women.

That sounds like a pattern with them. But yeah, I remember Huckabee’s “joke” that if he could have pretended to be a girl to get into the girl’s locker room, he would have. These people just can’t understand the fact that someone may not feel they’re the gender they were born into. And they make it worse by dumbing down on it like this. I get not understanding why someone may feel that way but in the end, it’s really fucked up to make up a problem of transgendered bathroom sexual assaults that simply does not exist.

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Kragar  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:50:16am

re: #120 Jayleia

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:50:58am

re: #126 lawhawk

Glenn Beck, expropriating Passover to power his bigotry.

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If anything, there’s a reason that people aren’t that religious anymore. They see religion for what it is, a means to control. But for those who remain “religious” losing that power/control is daunting and must be corrected.

For Beck, this means using Passover, which isn’t even a holiday he celebrates, to somehow reinforce that bigotry should be allowed and enabled by and through religious views.

He really is a twisted bigot.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:51:11am

re: #121 KGxvi

It seems pretty obvious that the people pushing this shit have never met a transgender person and have no idea what they deal with in the process. They really seem to think that this is all about creepers wearing a dress so they can see naked women.

Women apparently use the bathroom completely differently than I do.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:51:24am

re: #96 Kragar

The Puritans left England because they were disgusted by the religious freedoms that were allowed and wanted a land where the could discriminate and lead ignorant, bigoted lives, free from the mockery and derision of their neighbors.

Why does that sound so familiar?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:53:06am

I keep on arguing that the big thing ideology aside that separates conservatives from liberals is that a conservative can and will not place himself in another person’s shoes. I even see it with the few sensible conservatives that still remain. Liberalism OTOH, I may not be transgendered but damn it I empathize with a transman or woman wanting to take a piss without being accused of sexual assault.

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sagehen  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:53:17am

re: #127 HappyWarrior

And they make it worse by dumbing down on it like this. I get not understanding why someone may feel that way but in the end, it’s really fucked up to make up a problem of transgendered bathroom sexual assaults that simply does not exist.

Caitlyn Jenner in my niece’s locker room doesn’t scare me nearly as much as Dennis Hastert in my nephew’s.

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jaunte  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:53:34am

re: #121 KGxvi

It seems pretty obvious that the people pushing this shit have never met a transgender person and have no idea what they deal with in the process. They really seem to think that this is all about creepers wearing a dress so they can see naked women.

Based on my wife’s stories about growing up in Memphis and rural Mississippi, this is the way a lot of the men there think.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:53:53am

re: #133 sagehen

Caitlyn Jenner in my niece’s locker room doesn’t scare me nearly as much as Dennis Hastert in my nephew’s.

Exactly. I believe DD linked to man from Tennessee making that same point pretty much.

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Jayleia  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:54:54am

re: #121 KGxvi

Having been the trans person in the restroom at a relatively safe and accepting environment…its still not “safe”.

Non-trans people feel like they can come up to you, grope your breast forms and say “Wow, they feel so real”, umm…thanks, I think. For some reason, non-trans people get all offended if you come up to them, grope them and say “Wow, they feel so fake” though…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:55:09am

They also think it’s just a man in a dress. Just like they think every gay person is a carnicture and they can be “cured” of their attraction to people of the same sex simply by doing things that are stereotypically masculine or feminine. Conservatives especially so-cons flat out do not understand humans are complex creatures.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:55:41am

NRA’s Wayne LaPierre Says Ruth Bader Ginsburg “Disavowed The U.S. Constitution” In 2012

National Rifle Association executive vice president Wayne LaPierre distorted past comments by Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg in a column warning that “our guns and our culture would be a favored target for eradication” if Hillary Clinton and other Democrats are successful in the 2016 elections.

In order to attack the possibility of Clinton being elected president and filling multiple vacancies on the Supreme Court with nominees like Justice Ginsburg, LaPierre smeared Justice Ginsburg by distorting her past comments about what new democracies should consider when adopting a constitution.

Will NRA cultists continue to believe their NRA death cult leader’s claim about mass fireman eradication and confiscation? Shouldn’t all the precious gunz be gone by now thanks to Obama?

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allegro  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:55:59am

re: #134 jaunte

Based on my wife’s stories about growing up in Memphis and rural Mississippi, this is the way a lot of the men there think.

Probably most hormone raging male teenagers think this way. Then they grow the hell up.

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Shimshon  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:56:51am

re: #139 allegro

Probably most hormone raging male teenagers think this way. Then they grow the hell up.

And an entire generation of kids grew up learning how to act on the internet from 4chan.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:56:52am

And the other thing bigotry aside is who the hell is going to decide if someone is trans or not. Someone here the other day linked a video of a young woman being told she was a man and being told she couldn’t use the restroom. This shit is just ridiculous. Shame on the Republican party and religious right for once again creating a problem that does not exist.

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ObserverArt  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:56:59am

re: #115 HappyWarrior

It’s just so frustrating because honestly I was on board with Bernie for a while. I really thought there needed to be an alternative to Clinton and I was really hoping he could emerge as a reasonable voice but instead he’s shown himself to be a complete as we said selfish candidate. I don’t know what his deal is but this kind of stuff should disappoint his core supporters but instead they’re likely to ignore it since finding fault with Bernie at this point is impossible for them to do.

It’s easy to look past someone’s faults if there are things to be gained.

And how many times has that been proven throughout history? Too many.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:57:25am

re: #130 Testy Toad T

Women apparently use the bathroom completely differently than I do.

Maybe all the RWNJs take their shirt off in the bathroom, like George Costanza.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:57:36am

re: #138 Dr. Matt

NRA’s Wayne LaPierre Says Ruth Bader Ginsburg “Disavowed The U.S. Constitution” In 2012

Will NRA cultists continue to believe their NRA death cult leader’s claim about mass fireman eradication and confiscation? Shouldn’t all the precious gunz be gone by now thanks to Obama?

Wayne LaPierre disavowed the Constitution when he started putting absolute gun ownership rights above everything else. Wayne can go fuck himself with one of his guns and leave the rest of us alone.

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allegro  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:57:52am

re: #140 Shimshon

And an entire generation of kids grew up learning how to act on the internet from 4chan.

Oh dear.

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CuriousLurker  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:58:01am

re: #102 wrenchwench

I don’t think it bites, but it could slice you…

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Oh wow, that’s gorgeous.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:58:26am

re: #144 HappyWarrior

Wayne can go fuck himself with one of his guns and leave the rest of us alone.

That’s one PPV I would NOT want to see.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:58:57am

re: #147 Dr. Matt

That’s one PPV I would NOT want to see.

Two Guns, One LaPierre.

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ObserverArt  Apr 25, 2016 • 11:59:28am

re: #121 KGxvi

It seems pretty obvious that the people pushing this shit have never met a transgender person and have no idea what they deal with in the process. They really seem to think that this is all about creepers wearing a dress so they can see naked women.

I think their thinking is a reflection of themselves. They know they would like nothing more than sneak into the women’s rest room and take some peeks. So they think everyone is just like they are. They fear themselves.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:00:40pm

re: #149 ObserverArt

I think their thinking is a reflection of themselves. They know they would like nothing more than sneak into the women’s rest room and take some peeks. So they think everyone is just like they are. They fear themselves.

Their racism operates under a lot of the same pretext actually.

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:02:01pm

re: #86 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

If that thing was real either they would be extinct or we would.

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Jayleia  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:03:25pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

For those of you who just had a REALLY disturbing mental image…I have this brain bleach: CLOUDED LEOPARD CUBS

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:05:12pm

re: #125 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I am afraid that too many of them see it simply as God having created two genders and anything that does not belong to one of those categories is a demonic abomination unto the Lord.

Remember, these folks see things as either/or. Everything is binary. Things are either Good or Evil. People are Male or Female, and only attracted to the opposite gender. Anything else is a perversion, and they lump all perversions in together.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:06:48pm

I know we’ve thoroughly covered this, but I’m linking to this just for the picture:

Best Pals Ted Cruz And John Kasich Will Use Buddy System To Defeat Donald Trump

Anybody who can look at any of these idiots and think they’re fit to be President needs serious psychiatric attention.

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calochortus  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:07:13pm

re: #126 lawhawk

Glenn Beck, expropriating Passover to power his bigotry.

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If anything, there’s a reason that people aren’t that religious anymore. They see religion for what it is, a means to control. But for those who remain “religious” losing that power/control is daunting and must be corrected.

For Beck, this means using Passover, which isn’t even a holiday he celebrates, to somehow reinforce that bigotry should be allowed and enabled by and through religious views.

I read part of that. Sorry I couldn’t slog all the way through, but it seemed pretty sad to me.
I am sorry that he lacks meaningful ritual in his life. I am sorry that he evidently had a poor relationship with his father. I am sorry that he can only hang around the fringes of someone else’s meaningful activities.
The way to deal with this would seem to be create a meaningful life for himself with his family and friends, not to complain that TV shows have people different from him, or that there are churches he doesn’t much like.
I’m an atheist and I manage to have a highly meaningful family life and friendships. We have what you might call rituals, big and small, that range from virtually always eating a home-cooked dinner together (though it’s just Mr. C. and me now that the kids are grown and on their own) to Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners on my mother’s good china and my grandmother’s linen table cloths. We have “in” jokes, and activities that we gather for, and most of all, we can depend on each other when we need to.

It’s time Glenn quit whining and got on with building a life.

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Kragar  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:07:17pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:08:41pm

re: #152 Jayleia

For those of you who just had a REALLY disturbing mental image…I have this brain bleach: CLOUDED LEOPARD CUBS

And they’re at Point Defiance! I can go see them! Yay!

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ObserverArt  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:09:18pm

re: #152 Jayleia

For those of you who just had a REALLY disturbing mental image…I have this brain bleach: CLOUDED LEOPARD CUBS

Cute furballs!

Update on the little abandoned polar bear cub the Columbus Zoo took in to raise. There was video of her around here a month or so ago. She had her public debut on Friday the 15th.

Nora The Polar Bear Cub Debuts At Columbus Zoo | MSNBC

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wrenchwench  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:09:40pm

re: #156 Kragar

[‘Go with Nature’: Fox’s Ablow Proposes Hormone Injections to Treat Transgenderism]

What does Nature’s syringe look like?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:09:43pm

re: #138 Dr. Matt

NRA’s Wayne LaPierre Says Ruth Bader Ginsburg “Disavowed The U.S. Constitution” In 2012

Will NRA cultists continue to believe their NRA death cult leader’s claim about mass fireman eradication and confiscation? Shouldn’t all the precious gunz be gone by now thanks to Obama?

They are just lulzing us into a false sense of security…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:10:12pm

re: #156 Kragar

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Dr, Keith Ablow Mengele. Yeah, I went there and I don’t care.

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Belafon  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:12:24pm

re: #156 Kragar

Speaking of Turing…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:12:33pm

re: #156 Kragar

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‘Go with Nature’: Fox’s Ablow Proposes Hormone Injections to Treat Transgenderism bit.ly (VIDEO)

Wonderful! And we were just talking about Alan Turing!

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Kragar  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:12:37pm
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allegro  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:13:17pm

re: #161 HappyWarrior

Dr, Keith Ablow Mengele. Yeah, I went there and I don’t care.

From what I’ve seen Ablow makes Mengele look like Dr. Welby.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:14:01pm

Missed it by nine seconds!

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Belafon  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:14:33pm

Either nature created trans people that way, or God did. In either case, you don’t need to fix them.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:14:50pm

re: #156 Kragar

‘Go with Nature’: Fox’s Ablow Proposes Hormone Injections to Treat Transgenderism

Nature doesn’t give us neat, discrete categories. It doesn’t divide everything into Column A or Column B. Nature gives us distributions, and spectra, and for things like gender and sexual orientation, Nature gives us a number of spectra on different axes, and who the fuck is Keith Ablow to tell anyone else where in all that cloud of possibilities any individual must fit because that’s all he can understand?

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Belafon  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:15:01pm

re: #166 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Missed it by nine seconds!

I went much shorter than you did.

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calochortus  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:15:14pm

I can’t help but notice that a lot of outrage over the transgender issue seems to relate to trans women. I suspect they can imagine women want to be men (well, gee, who wouldn’t want to step up in life and be male!) But men who think they are women are obviously unhinged or playing some sort of devious game, and therefore very dangerous.

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wrenchwench  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:16:19pm

re: #168 Blind Frog Belly White

Nature doesn’t give us neat, discrete categories. It doesn’t divide everything into Column A or Column B. Nature gives us distributions, and spectra, and for things like gender and sexual orientation, Nature gives us a number of spectra on different axes, and who the fuck is Keith Ablow to tell anyone else where in all that cloud of possibilities any individual must fit because that’s all he can understand?

Nature gives us science. RWNJs feel all left out.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:16:33pm

re: #170 calochortus

I can’t help but notice that a lot of outrage over the transgender issue seems to relate to trans women. I suspect they can imagine women want to be men (well, gee, who wouldn’t want to step up in life and be male!) But men who think they are women are obviously unhinged or playing some sort of devious game, and therefore very dangerous.

I usually hate photo memes but one of them used an image of a transman and asked the conservatives who want to ban transgendered from using their preferred bathroom if they’d be okay with allowing him to use the women’s room.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:16:33pm

re: #164 Kragar

if you have a thought that begins “why can’t I” and ends with a thing that is

1. not illegal
2. a thing you are doing

you can actually…

But not without unpleasant consequences.

Because the flip side of freedom is taking responsibility for what you do

That is a tough one for them to wrap their heads around.

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Jayleia  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:17:02pm

Also, in relation to the whole trans issue, I feel I should repost this…

This is easy…isn’t it?
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allegro  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:17:11pm

re: #170 calochortus

I can’t help but notice that a lot of outrage over the transgender issue seems to relate to trans women. I suspect they can imagine women want to be men (well, gee, who wouldn’t want to step up in life and be male!) But men who think they are women are obviously unhinged or playing some sort of devious game, and therefore very dangerous.

How many decades now have feminists/independent and ambitious women been accused of penis envy?

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Belafon  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:17:32pm

re: #170 calochortus

I can’t help but notice that a lot of outrage over the transgender issue seems to relate to trans women. I suspect they can imagine women want to be men (well, gee, who wouldn’t want to step up in life and be male!) But men who think they are women are obviously unhinged or playing some sort of devious game, and therefore very dangerous.

What they’re lizard brain is thinking is that no guy’s going to stare at another guys parts. And what if a woman wants to sneak into a men’s restroom to have a look?

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withak  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:18:33pm

What I don’t get about this whole moral panic about bathroom usage is how damned sacred all the wingnuts are making our excretory rituals out to be.

“Men use the men’s room! Women use the women’s room!” like it’s the 11th Commandment or something. It’s an affront to God, country, and the Constitution if someone with the wrong equipment uses the bathroom they’ve not been approved to use, and anyone who disagrees is a weirdo.

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calochortus  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:18:37pm

re: #174 Jayleia

Also, in relation to the whole trans issue, I feel I should repost this…

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Simple! Straightforward!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:19:53pm

re: #172 HappyWarrior

I usually hate photo memes but one of them used an image of a transman and asked the conservatives who want to ban transgendered from using their preferred bathroom if they’d be okay with allowing him to use the women’s room.

Just as an exercise: this is a photo of my girlfriend (left) visiting her friends in Berkeley CA. Three couples with kids. Can you spot the transgender among them?

(hint: not my girlfriend)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:20:22pm

re: #170 calochortus

I can’t help but notice that a lot of outrage over the transgender issue seems to relate to trans women. I suspect they can imagine women want to be men (well, gee, who wouldn’t want to step up in life and be male!) But men who think they are women are obviously unhinged or playing some sort of devious game, and therefore very dangerous.

Just like the focus of homophobia is more directed at gay men. I think a lot of men feel threatened, for some reason I can’t fathom, by other men being different, in matters related to sexuality.

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calochortus  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:20:26pm

re: #175 allegro

How many decades now have feminists/independent and ambitious women been accused of penis envy?

I’ve had penis envy-generally on cold weather camping trips when one needs to pee in the middle of the night.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:20:53pm

re: #177 withak

What I don’t get about this whole moral panic about bathroom usage is how damned sacred all the wingnuts are making our excretory rituals out to be.

“Men use the men’s room! Women use the women’s room!” like it’s the 11th Commandment or something. It’s an affront to God, country, and the Constitution if someone with the wrong equipment uses the bathroom they’ve not been approved to use, and anyone who disagrees is a weirdo.

It’s honestly a little bit funny that they think anybody ought to give a damn. The very silliest out of a great many silly fauxtrages.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:21:02pm

re: #181 calochortus

I’ve had penis envy-generally on cold weather camping trips when one needs to pee in the middle of the night.

and penis pity when you rode a horse…

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:21:05pm

Bobby Knight selling some personal gear at the Lubbock Gun Show this past weekend. These are mostly very expensive shotguns.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:21:33pm

re: #179 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Just as an exercise: this is a photo of my girlfriend (left) visiting her friends in Berkeley CA. Three couples with kids. Can you spot the transgender among them?

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(hint: not my girlfriend)

No, I can’t but that of course proves the point as you know.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:21:55pm

re: #180 Blind Frog Belly White

Just like the focus of homophobia is more directed at gay men. I think a lot of men feel threatened, for some reason I can’t fathom, by other men being different, in matters related to sexuality.

I mean, because they’re afraid of being outed themselves.

Do not try to tell me with a straight face that Bryan Fischer thinks about ladies when he’s doing the business.

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wrenchwench  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:22:09pm

re: #170 calochortus

I can’t help but notice that a lot of outrage over the transgender issue seems to relate to trans women. I suspect they can imagine women want to be men (well, gee, who wouldn’t want to step up in life and be male!) But men who think they are women are obviously unhinged or playing some sort of devious game, and therefore very dangerous.

When I was a kid, when I first heard of a man who felt like he was supposed to be a woman, I thought the description given by this person did not fit what I thought ‘womanhood’ meant. When I grew older, I figured out it was not for me to define what it means. We’re all different.

That’s the step the binary-thinking males can’t take. They feel it is up to them to define and enforce manhood. Anyone who disagrees is defined as sick.

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calochortus  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:22:12pm

re: #183 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

and penis pity when you rode a horse…

Actually, when I had a horse, I never gave it a thought. I was young and heedless.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:22:52pm

re: #187 wrenchwench

When I was a kid, when I first heard of a man who felt like he was supposed to be a woman, I thought the description given by this person did not fit what I thought ‘womanhood’ meant. When I grew older, I figured out it was not for me to define what it means. We’re all different.

That’s the step the binary-thinking males can’t take. They feel it is up to them to define and enforce manhood. Anyone who disagrees is defined as sick.

Exactly.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:23:20pm

re: #188 calochortus

Actually, when I had a horse, I never gave it a thought. I was young and heedless.

I hope that someone came along and gave you heed

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calochortus  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:23:40pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

No, I can’t but that of course proves the point as you know.

Plus, almost anything is a better use of one’s time than trying to figure it out.

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ObserverArt  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:23:45pm

re: #177 withak

What I don’t get about this whole moral panic about bathroom usage is how damned sacred all the wingnuts are making our excretory rituals out to be.

“Men use the men’s room! Women use the women’s room!” like it’s the 11th Commandment or something. It’s an affront to God, country, and the Constitution if someone with the wrong equipment uses the bathroom they’ve not been approved to use, and anyone who disagrees is a weirdo.

And the porcelain does not know!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:23:46pm

I mean I get not understanding. I’m perfectly comfortable with my gender but that’s the thing you don’t understand so maybe mind your own business and stop treating someone like a freak who you don’t know or understand.

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withak  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:23:47pm

re: #174 Jayleia

Also, in relation to the whole trans issue, I feel I should repost this…

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You know, I’m pretty good with categorizations and Venn diagrams, and I understand most of the jargon used in this chart, but it’s still making me go cross-eyed.

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KGxvi  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:23:55pm

re: #164 Kragar

apparently they missed the announcement that there will be consequences and repercussions!

(NSFW because of Eddie Murphy being Eddie Murphy)

Iframe

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:24:02pm

re: #188 calochortus

Actually, when I had a horse, I never gave it a thought. I was young and heedless.

You were a heedless horsewoman?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:24:09pm

re: #191 calochortus

Plus, almost anything is a better use of one’s time than trying to figure it out.

Yes, algebra for one. Math hater joke.

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allegro  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:24:19pm

re: #180 Blind Frog Belly White

Just like the focus of homophobia is more directed at gay men. I think a lot of men feel threatened, for some reason I can’t fathom, by other men being different, in matters related to sexuality.

I suspect it’s partly because gay men are the only ones they feel can rape them, treat them as sexual objects the way they treat women. Don’t think I’ve ever met a serious homophobe who wasn’t also a serious misogynist.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:24:25pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

No, I can’t but that of course proves the point as you know.

and because it is irrelevant…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:25:08pm

re: #195 KGxvi

apparently they missed the announcement that there will be consequences and repercussions!

(NSFW because of Eddie Murphy being Eddie Murphy)

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Video

That was an underrated movie.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:25:20pm

re: #199 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

and because it is irrelevant…

YEp.

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calochortus  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:25:39pm

re: #196 Blind Frog Belly White

You were a heedless horsewoman?

I was! Then I grew up. Now I am heedful.

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KGxvi  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:26:32pm

re: #202 calochortus

I was! Then I grew up. Now I am heedful.

I’ve found heed to be overrated.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:26:33pm

re: #187 wrenchwench

When I was a kid, when I first heard of a man who felt like he was supposed to be a woman, I thought the description given by this person did not fit what I thought ‘womanhood’ meant. When I grew older, I figured out it was not for me to define what it means. We’re all different.

That’s the step the binary-thinking males can’t take. They feel it is up to them to define and enforce manhood. Anyone who disagrees is defined as sick.

I think I ran across the quote here, but why is it that people who totally fail to understand what terms like manhood/womanhood, patriotism or faith mean are the ones who cling most tenaciously to the arbitrary and superficial symbols we attach to those categories? (guns, beards, flag lapel pins, crucifixes, etc…)

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:27:09pm

re: #105 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I remember reading that the reason that the British intercepted the Bismarck is that the son of a Luftwaffe general was serving on board. The general asked about the status of his son but he used the Luftwaffe Enigma which was much more vulnerable than the Kriegsmarine’s.

The reply, also using the Luftwaffe’s Enigma, told the general the Bismarck was en route to Brest. The British read both messages.

The British, using the information they’d garnered, put ships on an intercept course. Ark Royal’s Swordfish crippled the Bismarck’s rudder and the next morning British battleships damaged the German ship so badly it was scuttled.

The only times that the British had much success breaking the Kriegmarine’s Enigma is when they captured the code books and rotors. Usually from weather ships but on occasion from U boats.

On the other hand the Kriegsmarine had broken the British Merchant code before the war and, so far as I know, the British never changed it. This made it much easier for Dönitz to set up wolf packs. A lot of people died because of this.

Encryption is absolutely vital to victory in modern war.

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withak  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:27:57pm

re: #193 HappyWarrior

I mean I get not understanding. I’m perfectly comfortable with my gender but that’s the thing you don’t understand so maybe mind your own business and stop treating someone like a freak who you don’t know or understand.

I’ve had sort of an epiphany on this subject, and the somewhat-related subject of “understanding” homosexuality:

I won’t understand, fully, what it means to have my biological sex at odds with my gender identity. Ever. (Just as I won’t ever understand, fully, what it means to be attracted to the same sex.) I can get partway there by learning about others and their experiences, but that’s it. And that’s fine!

More important than understanding are simple acceptance and empathy, something that the Bathroom Police sorely lack.

Edit: s/homophobia/homosexuality, because brain fart.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:28:18pm

re: #187 wrenchwench

When I was a kid, when I first heard of a man who felt like he was supposed to be a woman, I thought the description given by this person did not fit what I thought ‘womanhood’ meant. When I grew older, I figured out it was not for me to define what it means. We’re all different.

That’s the step the binary-thinking males can’t take. They feel it is up to them to define and enforce manhood. Anyone who disagrees is defined as sick.

One useful thing that came out of an expensive bout of Couples and individual therapy we went through a few years ago was to clarify for me the simple reality that you can’t really be in anyone else’s head. You can’t tell them what their reality is. So if someone says to me, “I feel like I was born in the wrong body”, I have no standing to tell them they’re wrong.

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calochortus  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:28:22pm

re: #203 KGxvi

I’ve found heed to be overrated.

Then why are we told to “take heed?” Is it because others don’t really want it?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:28:50pm

re: #198 allegro

I suspect it’s partly because gay men are the only ones they feel can rape them, treat them as sexual objects the way they treat women. Don’t think I’ve ever met a serious homophobe who wasn’t also a serious misogynist.

EDIT: Oops! Hit the wrong button!

I meant to say, the misogynists always think they aren’t, because they treat women (that they want to have sex with) “special”. Trump is a perfect example.

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KGxvi  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:29:16pm

re: #208 calochortus

Then why are we told to “take heed?” Is it because others don’t really want it?

It’s all part of that trap called “growing up”.

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wrenchwench  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:29:31pm

re: #204 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I think I ran across the quote here, but why is it that people who totally fail to understand what terms like manhood/womanhood, patriotism or faith mean are the ones who cling most tenaciously to the arbitrary and superficial symbols we attach to those categories? (guns, beards, flag lapel pins, crucifixes, etc…)

I find that people who can handle ambiguity and be comfortable with it are happier and more well-adjusted to life, because life is full of ambiguities.

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Kragar  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:30:49pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:30:58pm

re: #211 wrenchwench

I find that people who can handle ambiguity and be comfortable with it are happier and more well-adjusted to life, because life is full of ambiguities.

unless ambiguities make you feel insecure, which causes you to have a compulsive need to sort things into clearly-defined categories

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withak  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:32:43pm

re: #212 Kragar

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Hey, remember that thing I said awhile ago, about separating art from artists in respect to their political views and personal lives?

Shawshank is hands down my favorite movie ever. Tim, you’re making it really hard for that to remain true.

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calochortus  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:32:52pm

re: #206 withak

I’ve had sort of an epiphany on this subject, and the somewhat-related subject of “understanding” homophobia:

I won’t understand, fully, what it means to have my biological sex at odds with my gender identity. Ever. (Just as I won’t ever understand, fully, what it means to be attracted to the same sex.) I can get partway there by learning about others and their experiences, but that’s it. And that’s fine!

More important than understanding are simple acceptance and empathy, something that the Bathroom Police sorely lack.

Yeah, I’ve said before that while I can understand how one can be attracted to one’s own sex, but I cannot wrap my head around feeling like I’m not the same sex as my body. However, since people literally risk death over this, I can assume it exists. And I can accept it. It is particularly easy to do this because I lose absolutely nothing by doing it. I even gain a bit, because happier people make a happier society.

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Belafon  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:33:21pm

re: #212 Kragar

If you’re like me, it’s probably because you haven’t gotten a check yet.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:33:56pm

re: #214 withak

Hey, remember that thing I said awhile ago, about separating art from artists in respect to their political views and personal lives?

Shawshank is hands down my favorite movie ever. Tim, you’re making it really hard for that to remain true.

I will still love De Niro movies, even if De Niro is an addled brained anti-vaccer helping to spread easily preventable diseases.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:33:59pm

re: #212 Kragar

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Oh, for fuck’s sake! Are we Republicans now, that we can’t lose without crying ‘Fraud!’?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:35:07pm

re: #212 Kragar

Reality is a talking point. Oh dear.

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calochortus  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:36:10pm

re: #211 wrenchwench

I find that people who can handle ambiguity and be comfortable with it are happier and more well-adjusted to life, because life is full of ambiguities.

I’m not much of a fan of ambiguities in my personal life, but I am fully aware that life is not binary. I try for clarity in my own life and don’t worry about how other people define themselves.

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gocart mozart  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:37:05pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:37:37pm

re: #213 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

unless ambiguities make you feel insecure, which causes you to have a compulsive need to sort things into clearly-defined categories

Oddly enough, I suffer from anxiety, as does my entire family, and yet we’re more comfortable with the reality of uncertainty than we would be with the certainty of unreality.

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ObserverArt  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:37:43pm

re: #211 wrenchwench

I find that people who can handle ambiguity and be comfortable with it are happier and more well-adjusted to life, because life is full of ambiguities.

Ambiguity is one way to see it.

A rich pageant of variety on the other.

Welcome to the world. Celebrate it all.

It’s the damn artist/observer in me…

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jaunte  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:37:46pm

re: #212 Kragar

Why should we bother voting when exit polls are so much easier to manage?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:38:11pm

re: #221 gocart mozart

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That’ll buff right out….
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Belafon  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:38:26pm

This was a comment I left on a DK diary:

Oh, no. People won’t vote for my candidate, the candidate who wasn’t even part of the Democratic party until they let him in for the primaries. And therefore, since people won’t vote for my candidate, the system must be corrupt. Who are all these people who think they can vote for someone other than my candidate?

People can’t not like Bernie, therefore, the system is rigged against him.

//

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:38:51pm

re: #221 gocart mozart

I’m gonna guess he wasn’t going get a good reference.

/

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Testy Toad T  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:40:16pm

re: #221 gocart mozart

Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. We’re, uh, looking at a bit of a maintenance delay before we can get up into the air and get you on your way to, uh, Novosibirsk. The, uh, up here in the cockpit, we, uh, got backhoed. Thanks for your patience and we’ll do our best to, uh, get en route shortly. Thanks for choosing Delta.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:40:25pm

re: #226 Belafon

This was a comment I left on a DK diary:

People can’t not like Bernie, therefore, the system is rigged against him.

//

Bernie cannot fail; he can only be failed./

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stpaulbear  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:40:39pm

re: #198 allegro

I suspect it’s partly because gay men are the only ones they feel can rape them, treat them as sexual objects the way they treat women. Don’t think I’ve ever met a serious homophobe who wasn’t also a serious misogynist.

For a while in the ‘90’s, I worked in downtown Minneapolis, a city where most of the significant buildings are connected by second level skyways that act as foot traffic corridors throughout downtown. I used to use the skyways to walk at lunchtime. I’d notice that whenever there was a pretty woman in front of me, she’d be getting dressed down by many of the men coming our way. A couple times I started giving them the dress down look back and they wouldn’t notice it until the woman had passed by, and it jolted them to be ‘cruised’ by a 6’ 200lb balding and bearded man. I thought it was pretty funny at the time.

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calochortus  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:41:47pm

re: #230 stpaulbear

I think it’s pretty funny now.

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Belafon  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:41:53pm

re: #211 wrenchwench

I find that people who can handle ambiguity and be comfortable with it are happier and more well-adjusted to life, because life is full of ambiguities.

There’s the prayer for Christians about being able to know when something can be controlled and when it can’t. It’s being able to not try to change something that you’ll never have control over.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:42:23pm

re: #227 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m gonna guess he wasn’t going get a good reference.

/

Not now, anyway.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:44:26pm

re: #227 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m gonna guess he wasn’t going get a good reference.

/

That made me think of the scene in ‘Groundhog Day’ where Bill Murray droves off the cliff with Punxsutawney Phil.

Chris Elliot reassures Andie MacDowell, “He might still be okay.” Then the truck explodes.

“Well, probably not NOW.”

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Charles Johnson  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:44:50pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:47:50pm

re: #235 Charles Johnson

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Kinda brings a certain depth of meaning to the term “wall of water”.

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Kragar  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:48:01pm
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stpaulbear  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:48:08pm

re: #235 Charles Johnson

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Is someone holding his beer?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:49:19pm

re: #234 Blind Frog Belly White

That made me think of the scene in ‘Groundhog Day’ where Bill Murray droves off the cliff with Punxsutawney Phil.

Chris Elliot reassures Andie MacDowell, “He might still be okay.” Then the truck explodes.

“Well, probably not NOW.”

Or the final scene of the final episode of “The Young Ones”

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lawhawk  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:49:24pm

re: #221 gocart mozart

A liberal application of duct tape should fix that straight up.

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lawhawk  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:50:10pm

re: #235 Charles Johnson

Sometimes the money shot just isn’t worth the consequences.

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TedStriker  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:50:28pm

re: #109 ObserverArt

I saw Happy Warrior use a word above to describe Bernie that got me to thinking.

The word: Selfish.

And I am thinking the word may describe more than just Bernie. It may describe his whole campaign and in a way some of his supporters.

They want ‘their’ candidate. They want their money in better wages and fairer taxes, free college, free insurance…no wars as in isolationism, no trade with anyone else, etc. Nothing that takes their effort.

And if they don’t get their way, then they will stamp their feet, refuse to vote, or vote for the evil candidate to get their way on down the road after they ruin everything in the process.

Sure we have our economic, trade and foreign affair issues. Big issues. But this is still a democracy and we hope to make more of the world democracies too and one way to do that is to share power and share the benefits. It would make for a better and safer world for all.

But Bernie and his people don’t seem to care about others and don’t seem to want to work with others. They want theirs. Are they really selfish in their own political ways? And, does Bernie really reflect that in his own campaign even if in a subtle way to his followers?

Selfish is no way to run a democracy, no way to run the world and it sure as hell isn’t socialist!

Sure you can have socialism trappings and maybe Bernie is a true democratic socialist. But are all of his followers socialists too or are they in it for the Bernie Benefits???

Just a thought. One word hit me and made me think of Bernie’s supporters in a different way.

I know one thing as a 61 year old artist. I was around a lot of people that saw themselves as hippies. They were all for peace love and understanding. I saw what happened to many of them. They became Yuppie consumers that were all about themselves and what they could gather. I have a feeling a similar dynamic might be occurring in the new Sanders Revolution.

re: #112 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

A lot of the protest movement in the ’60s was the same way—you notice the antiwar marches and sit-ins and whatnot evaporated the very instant the draft was eliminated.

“Fuck you, I got mine!”, left-winger style.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:51:01pm

re: #237 Kragar

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Dos HillaryCo take out Social Security like for the Zionist checks? Or are we independent contractors, like for the Soros checks?

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TedStriker  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:52:17pm

re: #149 ObserverArt

I think their thinking is a reflection of themselves. They know they would like nothing more than sneak into the women’s rest room and take some peeks. So they think everyone is just like they are. They fear themselves.

re: #150 HappyWarrior

Their racism operates under a lot of the same pretext actually.

And their homophobia, too.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:52:18pm

I’ve been trying to sell off a few things on Craigslist lately, so now I’m constantly getting spam emails (from email addresses that are just total gibberish) saying my “Craigslist inbox” (!) is full—Click on this link to check it out.

How could anybody be stupid enough to fall for that?

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stpaulbear  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:53:13pm

re: #243 Blind Frog Belly White

Dos HillaryCo take out Social Security like for the Zionist checks? Or are we independent contractors, like for the Soros checks?

I think it’s put into a blind trust.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:54:08pm

re: #246 stpaulbear

I think it’s put into a blind trust.

Like GHW Bush’s political manhood?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:56:09pm

Sen. Al Franken having fun…

Franken tweaks Ryan, Cruz and Dayton

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Kragar  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:58:44pm
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jaunte  Apr 25, 2016 • 12:59:38pm
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Kragar  Apr 25, 2016 • 1:04:25pm
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jaunte  Apr 25, 2016 • 1:06:33pm

“Are You Not Patronized?”

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plansbandc  Apr 25, 2016 • 1:06:57pm

Where the hell is my check??

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Apr 25, 2016 • 1:09:30pm

re: #251 Kragar

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The souls of the unburied dead, which she consumes so that she may live amongst the fleshites as one of them?

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mmmirele  Apr 25, 2016 • 1:16:16pm

re: #96 Kragar

The Puritans left England because they were disgusted by the religious freedoms that were allowed and wanted a land where the could discriminate and lead ignorant, bigoted lives, free from the mockery and derision of their neighbors.

I spent the weekend looking for information about Mary Dyer, who was one of the four Quaker martyrs hung in Boston. She was hung in 1660, after being punished and then escorted beyond the borders of the colony a number of times over the previous few years. The Restoration of Charles II pretty much put a stop to the hangings, but Quakers were still punished by whippings and other actions. I’m now looking for a book/books on the subject of the religious situation in the first two generations of Massachusetts colony.

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calochortus  Apr 25, 2016 • 1:21:17pm

OK, time to get back to work. BBL

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CuriousLurker  Apr 25, 2016 • 1:22:02pm

LOLWUT?

The new rule in America is that you are only free to express your faith in your home, mosque, temple or church. God is never to be acknowledged in public schools, never in public parks, never in public buildings, never in sports arenas, never in government buildings. There can be no Christmas tree, no nativity scene, no Easter, no cross, no menorah, no Star of David, no public prayer ceremony ever displayed on public land. Religion is even frowned upon in business and industry. We no longer have a Christmas bonus or a Christmas party at the office, or a Christmas sale at a department store. It has to be a winter party in any month but December, or a holiday sale or a holiday parade. You have to take “personal time” to attend your personal holy day ceremonies.

So, when a group of the Muslim faith take over the public square to prostrate themselves in prayer, there is jealousy from other faiths who are prohibited from any display of their own religion in the public square. It is not Islamophobia. It is jealousy. […]

salemnews.com

There are no more public nativity scenes, menorah displays, Easter stuff, Christmas parties or sales, etc.? Since when?

Apparently, this is the article that caused the butthurt.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2016 • 1:25:28pm

re: #257 CuriousLurker

Religion is even frowned upon in business and industry. We no longer have a Christmas bonus or a Christmas party at the office, or a Christmas sale at a department store. It has to be a winter party in any month but December, or a holiday sale or a holiday parade. You have to take “personal time” to attend your personal holy day ceremonies.

It does not “have to be”, business choose to because they have decided it is in their interest.

People are upset because Christianity is no longer the automatic default setting religion in America.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 25, 2016 • 1:25:46pm
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Belafon  Apr 25, 2016 • 1:26:42pm

re: #257 CuriousLurker

LOLWUT?

There are no more public nativity scenes, menorah displays, Easter stuff, Christmas parties or sales, etc.? Since when?

Apparently, this is the article that caused the butthurt.

There’s nothing preventing Christians from having a prayer time in a park. The government can’t stop them unless you decide to harass people walking by.

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Kilroy01  Apr 25, 2016 • 1:27:44pm

Why Bernie Sanders is Actually Winning

Why Bernie Sanders is Actually Winning

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2016 • 1:29:00pm

re: #260 Belafon

There’s nothing preventing Christians from having a prayer time in a park. The government can’t stop them unless you decide to harass people walking by.

That is different than using public funds to set up a religious display, but that is too much nuance for those poor Christians who are still reeling from PC Persecution on a grand governmental scale…

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wrenchwench  Apr 25, 2016 • 1:30:27pm

re: #259 Charles Johnson

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When they’re done with Carly, they can vet Susana Martinez, whose Secretary of State and Lt. Governor have both been convicted of corruption.

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blueraven  Apr 25, 2016 • 1:38:10pm

I am so pissed off that nobody told me about the damn checks from David Brock and Hillary!

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Charles Johnson  Apr 25, 2016 • 1:38:45pm

Imgur galleries are now supported.

Imgur

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CuriousLurker  Apr 25, 2016 • 1:38:48pm

re: #262 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

That is different than using public funds to set up a religious display, but that is too much nuance for those poor Christians who are still reeling from PC Persecution on a grand governmental scale…

I was kinda like, “Yeah? Okay lady, tell me: When was the last time someone showed up outside a church or synagogue you know of during religious services open carrying every kind of firearm imaginable and wearing t-shirts that said ‘Fuck Christianity’ or ‘Fuck Judaism,’ huh? NEVER, but nonetheless those pesky Muslims need to stop whining about Islamophobia… because ISIS, so shut up!!11!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 25, 2016 • 1:40:56pm

re: #259 Charles Johnson

One nightmare at a time, please.

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Kragar  Apr 25, 2016 • 1:41:18pm
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blueraven  Apr 25, 2016 • 1:42:11pm
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Testy Toad T  Apr 25, 2016 • 1:42:18pm

re: #268 Kragar

UNSKEW THE POLLS, SAINT BERNIEEEEEEE

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Testy Toad T  Apr 25, 2016 • 1:44:19pm

re: #269 blueraven

One effect the Season of Trump has had on me is fully lifting the wool of haughty northern superiority from my eyes. The northeast has a lot of racism-curious Republican voters.

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CuriousLurker  Apr 25, 2016 • 1:45:48pm

re: #269 blueraven

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Yeah, they don’t check refugees at all, they just throw the door open and say, “Come on in!” What a load of crap. Gah! It drives me nuts the way he repeats stuff.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 25, 2016 • 1:45:58pm

re: #259 Charles Johnson

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I’ll let James Brown speak for me when it comes to a possible Cruz/Fiorina ticket!

James Brown ♬PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

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I Would Prefer Not To  Apr 25, 2016 • 1:46:24pm

re: #269 blueraven

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Wasn’t “Maybe it’s ISIS” a hit in the 1970s?

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Joe Bacon  Apr 25, 2016 • 1:48:26pm
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blueraven  Apr 25, 2016 • 1:48:32pm

re: #272 CuriousLurker

Yeah, they don’t check refugees at all, they just throw the door open and say, “Come on in!” What a load of crap. Gah! It drives me nuts the way he repeats stuff.

Fear mongering to the rubes.

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CuriousLurker  Apr 25, 2016 • 1:52:32pm

In other news:

The Anonymous-affiliated hacking group Ghost Squad yesterday launched a distributed denial of service (DDoS) attack against the Loyal White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan (KKK), knocking the white supremacist group’s website out of service. […]

scmagazine.com

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Belafon  Apr 25, 2016 • 1:56:51pm

re: #277 CuriousLurker

In other news:

In a deadpan voice: “No, guys. Don’t do that. It’s not right.” The kind of voice that indicates you approve but you know you shouldn’t.

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wrenchwench  Apr 25, 2016 • 1:57:19pm

re: #277 CuriousLurker

In other news:

The KKK without a website is like the Confederate army without a motor vehicle, in my mind.

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Great White Snark  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:00:56pm

re: #257 CuriousLurker

LOLWUT?

There are no more public nativity scenes, menorah displays, Easter stuff, Christmas parties or sales, etc.? Since when?

This horrific outrage began December 26th, and lasts until the day after Thanksgiving. ///

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makeitstop  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:01:54pm

re: #279 wrenchwench

The KKK without a website is like the Confederate army without a motor vehicle, in my mind.

Really. They can still resort to these. (Behind the screen in case you don’t want to look at KKKrap)

G1LpWyZjCIVKqK8QCsnklhD7TjsjJ3f0n2Ch9HrN1dmhWPb1wNNqsCn6i1QypbZdkN69foTEE/AJCCZc2GsqrtdTxN9eIVtcI412Vzx7hOzvk27kQQEev7mYDdsxhlquGDnlMxGUzG7bJCn5il4Pt1t7vbPTPZWBBVS1HOEoSG837/58BBW6Hy0pw/hveIH5Fw0+Xrc/tyBgnEA5zkOkRifbrV9ypR6bXkRd1oGycKYBislnNiW5utxnDjwrNg0IxzCsPF/RKozzuyVtz19tRRV4Pyg5huYM1MJ4EZA1xZ67kgZZdEvIB1/BIC+wsP5+36tOSO36Sx81zrWmLdXnY3AxZT0hkArELoCpzi5ovR64f6EfYZUtW3n9m2962Kinij+9cX2gUY0XY++VfgjxDVMEoiHbyAqpc4evkreNF75xSCOfbFQwQsxidcZL0aRpcFs9DerqGgjF42EZtVcDSI56dj70Pacs

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jaunte  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:02:06pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:04:34pm

“if we dont talk afterwards, we might as well be dogs”

and what is wrong with being a dog i might ask?

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Kragar  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:04:56pm
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jaunte  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:08:36pm

Paid Trolls Unleashed!

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Kragar  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:09:02pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:09:47pm

re: #282 jaunte

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So sick of the tone deafness of police departments. Sick of it. They didn’t bother asking Tamir any questions before they shot him and they have the nerve to talk to the Rice family like this. Tell ya what, Mr. Loomis, how about you talk to the many white males who brandish guns and not only don’t get shot and killed by the police but are treated like patriots. Tamir was just a kid. You fucked up and the only reason why the officer that killed Tamir isn’t in jail is because prosecutors offices see themselves as the prosecution’s arm of police departments.

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sagehen  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:11:06pm

re: #280 Great White Snark

This horrific outrage began December 26th, and lasts until the day after Thanksgiving Halloween. ///

ftfy

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:11:18pm

re: #268 Kragar

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I liked him better as Andy Dufresne. As a political analyst, he’s as ignorant as his ex wife is. They’re exit polls, they’re not meant to be set in gold. Stop always thinking that every time you lose it’s fraud. It makes you look like a paranoid nut.

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Great White Snark  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:12:07pm

Man bites dog. Well almost, PC defeats Apple by a big margin when using Adobe Lightroom. Each priced at about $4300 so that’s some serious effing hardware.

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CuriousLurker  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:13:19pm

re: #284 Kragar

Yeah, I’m sure if I click through and read the article he’ll provide incontrovertible evidence showing names, dates, payment amounts, and a trail that leads directly back to her campaign. //

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stpaulbear  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:15:20pm

re: #269 blueraven

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Jesus, I thought when I was reading that that it was another dumb letter from that Salem paper. What and ignorant asshole.

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Kragar  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:15:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:17:23pm

re: #291 CuriousLurker

Yeah, I’m sure if I click through and read the article he’ll provide incontrovertible evidence showing names, dates, payment amounts, and a trail that leads directly back to her campaign. //

Hillary pays me quite well every time I criticize Bernie. JK, i haven’t seen a dime.

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CuriousLurker  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:28:27pm

Just followed me and just got blocked: @Matt_VanDyke.

Here’s his pinned tweet:

Yay—that’ll fix the problem!

Hey, maybe y’all can talk the Israelis into joining since they’ve been so successful in solving their issues with the Palestinians, then we can all have like Armageddon or something, and whoever’s left standing are the True Believers™. //

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:28:48pm

re: #290 Great White Snark

Man bites dog. Well almost, PC defeats Apple by a big margin when using Adobe Lightroom. Each priced at about $4300 so that’s some serious effing hardware.

To be fair. They used an iMac.

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Kragar  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:30:04pm

re: #294 HappyWarrior

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:32:29pm

re: #284 Kragar

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says the guy who gets paid by the NY Daily News to be Bernie’s number one cheerleader and Hillary-basher…

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bratwurst  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:37:13pm

Pretty good article on the Tim Robbins nonsense, albeit on a business website where some of the least insightful business writers in the world congregate (which inspired this page):

Robbins and those like him have actually sickened me more in the past months than the historically dysfunctional and nasty GOP race.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:38:18pm

re: #290 Great White Snark

Man bites dog. Well almost, PC defeats Apple by a big margin when using Adobe Lightroom. Each priced at about $4300 so that’s some serious effing hardware.

Not surprising. All Adobe software has been being optimized for Windows and hobbled on OS X for years now.

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ObserverArt  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:39:35pm

re: #284 Kragar

New York Daily News ✔ ‎@NYDailyNews

.@ShaunKing: Hillary Clinton’s campaign is unleashing paid trolls after anyone against her nydn.us

4:51 PM - 25 Apr 2016

That boy ain’t right.

I’m especially askeered of the fact that King reports this…

What’s ugly is that we have no idea who these paid operatives are online. According to Correct The Record, many will be former reporters, PR executives, bloggers, and others. We have no idea if they truly say what they mean or mean what they say. Are they even using their actual identities? The Sanders campaign openly stated that they have never paid for any online comments.

Why, they could actually be commenting their own thoughts…but we just don’t fucking know!!!

So, I guess I’ll just go with Shaun’s unstated message. DO NOT TRUST ANY PRO CLINTON COMMENTS! Ever. They are all paid, or should be treated that way.

Only Bernie supporters speak the trooths!

So it’s all Rosario, Susan, Tim and others for me.

Thanks for the tip Shaun. Who woulda knowed?

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ObserverArt  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:41:50pm

re: #294 HappyWarrior

Hillary pays me quite well every time I criticize Bernie. JK, i haven’t seen a dime.

You’ll never know what my intentions are.

Bwaaahaaaaahaaaaaaa…

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Targetpractice  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:45:04pm

re: #282 jaunte

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Why don’t they just tell the Rice family to spend the money on paint so the black folks of Cleveland can paint themselves white in order to avoid getting shot needlessly?

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CuriousLurker  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:45:19pm

re: #301 ObserverArt

Wait—so you have “no idea who these paid operatives are online,” but you know that they’re being paid because…? Inquiring minds want to know.

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Belafon  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:45:25pm

Prove to me you’re not a paid Hillary troll!! See, I knew you’re were one of them.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:45:46pm

re: #302 ObserverArt

You’ll never know what my intentions are.

Bwaaahaaaaahaaaaaaa…

Dramatic Look

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Belafon  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:46:03pm

re: #304 CuriousLurker

Wait—so you have “no idea who these paid operatives are online,” but you know that they’re being paid because…? Inquiring minds want to know.

But their minds don’t.

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Kragar  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:46:42pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:49:02pm

re: #308 Kragar

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Nah, just lily-white douchebags who have absolutely no skin in the game, so they think that they can just weather another Republican presidency without losing anything of value to them.

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bratwurst  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:51:30pm

Here is a fun blast from the past:

Give Trump credit: he and his people have CLEARLY made zero effort to go back and sanitize his Twitter history!

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Kent Dorfman  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:55:18pm

Just set up my new gaming mouse with ceramic feet and it is smoother than the laminate flooring in the changing rooms of the Great British Women’s Gold Medal winning Curling team.

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allegro  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:56:17pm

re: #311 Kent Dorfman

Just set up my new gaming mouse with ceramic feet and it is smoother than the laminate flooring in the changing rooms of the Great British Women’s Gold Medal winning Curling team.

Dressing as a woman so you could go in the women’s bathroom?

///

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:56:35pm

LOL!
Shaun apparently never heard of the Colbert loophole

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Dr. Matt  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:57:33pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:57:41pm

“Black folks aren’t properly informed about Bernie, because otherwise they’d support him for his years of work in civil rights. But if they live in the South, then they’re too conservative to appreciate his record.”

“No, they’re informed and they’re not conservative, they’ve just lived through the struggle that Bernie bailed on when he moved to Vermont.”

“But he marched with Dr. King!”

“And what has he done for us lately? He voted for the very bills he now criticizes, he’s provided no leadership at all, and he’s pissed off his colleagues efforts to actually make progress.”

“You just can’t understand that racism stems from economic inequality! That if black folks made more money, they’d be able to combat racism!”

“Which is why black celebrities worth millions have been accosted, arrested, or found themselves marginalized in favor of white folks.”

“YOU’RE A PAID SHILL! HOW MUCH DOES HILLARY PAY YOU?!”

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Jenner7  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:57:50pm

ROFL Shaun King’s source for paid trolls is reddit. Oh my…

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wrenchwench  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:58:50pm

re: #310 bratwurst

Here is a fun blast from the past:

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Give Trump credit: he and his people have CLEARLY made zero effort to go back and sanitize his Twitter history!

He doesn’t consider that ‘unsanitary’.

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Targetpractice  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:59:12pm

re: #316 Jenner7

ROFL Shaun King’s source for paid trolls is reddit. Oh my…

Which makes it even money that said “paid troll” is just a Bernie Bro playing the part to spread rumors.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:59:24pm

re: #316 Jenner7

ROFL Shaun King’s source for paid trolls is reddit. Oh my…

Yeah, saw that one. bwhahahaaa!

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Testy Toad T  Apr 25, 2016 • 2:59:55pm

The most effective way Clinton could possibly spend her money on the primary, presuming she still felt it necessary to do so, would be to pay this dipshit buffoon Shaun King’s salary.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:00:16pm

hahahahahaaaaaa!

NO!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:02:33pm

re: #321 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahahahaaaaaa!

NO!

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Uh no Rand. Can’t believe I had forgotten about this sad also ran.

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Jenner7  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:03:41pm

re: #321 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hillary: Who’s that now?

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nines09  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:04:29pm

re: #321 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahahahaaaaaa!

NO!

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Rand……Rand…..Seems I heard that name somewhere…….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:06:07pm
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jaunte  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:07:06pm
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allegro  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:07:27pm

re: #325 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Y’all come back! We didn’t mean it! Juuuuuust kidding! Really.

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jaunte  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:07:38pm

Trump is impossible to parody.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:07:53pm

re: #295 CuriousLurker

He’s been trolling this shtick for ages.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:07:56pm

I wonder what Shaun King’s position on Obama’s “Fight the Smears” website was?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:08:36pm

re: #326 jaunte

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I almost feel sorry for the morons being conned by this stupid bastard but then I remember how bigoted they are and I think they deserve this stupid fuck as their party’s nominee.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:09:35pm
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jaunte  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:11:41pm

re: #332 Backwoods_Sleuth

If anyone uses the wrong bathroom, law enforcement is there to zip them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:11:57pm

re: #316 Jenner7

ROFL Shaun King’s source for paid trolls is reddit. Oh my…

heh…

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mmmirele  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:12:05pm

re: #294 HappyWarrior

Hillary pays me quite well every time I criticize Bernie. JK, i haven’t seen a dime.

I’m *still* waiting for the money from the pharmaceutical companies Scientology swore up and down were paying me and others back in the 1990s.

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jaunte  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:15:16pm

And Piers Morgan is the first to trip and fall on his sword.

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ObserverArt  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:16:42pm

I though The TRUMP® was going to change.

You can’t change that!

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:19:18pm

re: #230 stpaulbear

For a while in the ‘90’s, I worked in downtown Minneapolis, a city where most of the significant buildings are connected by second level skyways that act as foot traffic corridors throughout downtown. I used to use the skyways to walk at lunchtime. I’d notice that whenever there was a pretty woman in front of me, she’d be getting dressed down by many of the men coming our way. A couple times I started giving them the dress down look back and they wouldn’t notice it until the woman had passed by, and it jolted them to be ‘cruised’ by a 6’ 200lb balding and bearded man. I thought it was pretty funny at the time.

Ha!

And thanks for jolting my memory—now I’m listening to The Replacements again for the first time in years.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:21:52pm

Evening Lizardim.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:22:19pm

re: #336 jaunte

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And Piers Morgan is the first to trip and fall on his sword.

Drugs are bad Alex.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:29:01pm

re: #340 HappyWarrior

Needs more Super Saiyan….

Alex Jones becomes a Super Saiyan

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jaunte  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:29:14pm

Oklahoma “pro-life” lawmakers are about to make an expensive mistake:

“…according to SB 1522 the routine removal of fetal matter after a miscarriage is considered abortion. So is the surgical removal of an ectopic pregnancy, in which the implantation of the fertilized egg is outside the uterus, usually in a fallopian tube, which means such pregnancies are never viable. Leaving the embryo in place could lead to the rupturing of the tube and serious injury to the mother.”
motherjones.com

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Jack Burton  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:30:14pm

re: #341 Eric The Fruit Bat

Needs more Super Saiyan….

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Video

His crazy level is 1006.

Oh wait it was upside down… it’s OVER 9000!

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thedopefishlives  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:31:24pm

re: #341 Eric The Fruit Bat

I don’t usually laugh at those sorts of videos, but it’s Alex Jones, I’ll take any excuse to laugh at his fat ass.

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thecommodore  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:31:48pm

OBAMA TALKED ABOUT BRINGING GUNS TO A KNIFE FIGHT SO YOU HAVE NO ROOM TO TALK!!!1!1!!11!!

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wrenchwench  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:34:13pm

re: #342 jaunte

Oklahoma “pro-life” lawmakers are about to make an expensive mistake:

They want to make it legal to kill a pregnant woman by withholding medical attention. In the name of ‘life’.

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jaunte  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:34:41pm

re: #346 wrenchwench

Forced pregnancy. Yep.

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Kent Dorfman  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:37:11pm

Brandi Carlile - The Things I Regret (Live At Red Rocks)

“The Things I Regret”

Ohhhhh ohhhh ohhhh oh-o-oh
Ohhhhh ohhhh ohhhh oh-o-oh

There’s a hole in my pocket where my dreams fell through,
from a side walk in the city to the avenue.
There’s a leak in my dam ‘bout the size of a pin,
and I can’t quite remember where the water’s getting in.

But when you’re wearing on your sleeve,
all the things you regret,
you can only remember what you want to forget.
You feel it tugging at your heart,
like the stars overhead,
‘til you rest your bones on the killing bed.

Let them roll over me.
Let them roll over me,
when I doubt you.

Let them roll over me.
Let them roll over me,
when I doubt you.

With the weight of the world resting on my back,
and the road on which I’ve travelled is as long as it is cracked.
But I keep pressing forward with my feet to the ground,
for a heart that is broken makes a beautiful sound.

But when you’re wearing on your sleeve,
all the things you regret,
you can only remember what you want to forget.

Let them roll over me.
Let them roll over me,
when I doubt you.

Let them roll over me.
Let them roll over me,
when I doubt you.

Ohhh ohhhh ohhh oh-o-oh
Ohhh ohhhh ohhh oh-o-oh

I walk through my days like a ghost in a dream,
but the field carries on and my past follows me.
It’s hard moving on from the things you done wrong,
when they play in your head like an old fashioned song.

But when you’re wearing on your sleeve,
all the things you regret,
you can only remember what you want to forget.

Lonely miles,
without you.

Lonely miles,
without you.

Let them roll over me.
Let them roll over me,
when I doubt you.

Let them roll over me.
Let them roll over me,
when I doubt you.

Let them roll over me.
Let them roll over me.
Let them roll over me.
Let them roll over me.

Let the ground keep my faults.
Let the water be my home.
Let the dust hold my soul,
like a holy rolling stone.

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jaunte  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:40:54pm

They must not care to access WebMD in the Oklahoma statehouse.

“…in up to 1 of every 50 pregnancies, the fertilized egg stays in your fallopian tube. In that case, it’s called an ectopic pregnancy or a tubal pregnancy. In rare cases, the fertilized egg attaches to one of your ovaries, another organ in your abdomen, the cornua (or horn) of the uterus or even the cervix. In any case, instead of celebrating your pregnancy, you find your life is in danger. Ectopic pregnancies require emergency treatment.

Most often, ectopic pregnancy happens within the first few weeks of pregnancy. You might not even know you’re pregnant yet, so it can be a big shock.”
webmd.com

That’s a lot of felons. Where will they put them all?

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BeenHereAwhile  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:45:55pm

re: #183 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

and penis pity when you rode a horse…

If horse back riding is causing pain in your genitals, male or female, with or without saddle, you’re doing it wrong.

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wrenchwench  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:46:22pm

re: #348 Kent Dorfman

She’s so good. It’s great that she has those twins to stand between and perform with.

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wrenchwench  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:47:56pm

re: #349 jaunte

They must not care to access WebMD in the Oklahoma statehouse.

That’s a lot of felons. Where will they put them all?

In the cemetery. Untreated, it is often deadly.

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wrenchwench  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:49:38pm

re: #352 wrenchwench

In the cemetery. Untreated, it is often deadly.

And God forbid she should go to a Catholic hospital. They used to treat those, but I hear they no longer do.

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jaunte  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:50:49pm

re: #352 wrenchwench

My wife almost died from it. She thought at first it was just food poisoning.

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wrenchwench  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:52:50pm

re: #354 jaunte

My wife almost died from it. She thought at first it was just food poisoning.

My sister, too. She thought the bleeding and pain was a period.

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jaunte  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:53:16pm

“1-in-50” is more than six million American women.

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jaunte  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:55:00pm

This is what Republicans want.

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wrenchwench  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:55:59pm

re: #357 jaunte

This is what Republicans want.

This is why Hillary is going to win. It is a matter of life and death.

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Jay C  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:57:40pm

re: #335 mmmirele

I’m *still* waiting for the money from the pharmaceutical companies Scientology swore up and down were paying me and others back in the 1990s.

Just think of how much interest has accrued by now!!

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Jack Burton  Apr 25, 2016 • 3:58:48pm

re: #358 wrenchwench

This is why Hillary is going to win. It is a matter of life and death.

This fact has to actually get out to people and not seem like histrionics or hysteria in the process. N-number of past election years of crying wolf over how the world is over if so-and-so wins, will make this difficult.

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wrenchwench  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:01:52pm

re: #360 Jack Burton

This fact has to actually get out to people and not seem like histrionics or hysteria in the process. N-number of past election years of crying wolf over how the world is over if so-and-so wins, will make this difficult.

The word ‘hysteria’ is poignant there.

Women are registered and will turn out to vote. With the usual help from the Decatur Debs of the country.

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Jack Burton  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:04:18pm

re: #361 wrenchwench

The word ‘hysteria’ is poignant there.

Women are registered and will turn out to vote. With the usual help from the Decatur Debs of the country.

…and a Legion of petulant BernieBros trying to derail them every second of the way.

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ibob  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:05:34pm

re: #342 jaunte

Oklahoma “pro-life” lawmakers are about to make an expensive mistake:

This bill would put almost every Ob/Gyn in their state in prison. No one would be able to do a D&C for a miscarriage based on their definition of an abortion

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makeitstop  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:06:23pm

re: #357 jaunte

This is what Republicans want.

Why don’t they just go full bug and re-name the state ‘Gilead?’

/half

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Dr. Matt  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:12:19pm
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Dr. Matt  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:16:27pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:19:25pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:21:36pm

Walker Signs Bill Blocking Communities From Issuing IDs For Voting

Gov. Scott Walker has signed a bill that hinders Milwaukee’s efforts to provide local photo IDs to the homeless, immigrants in the country illegally and others who have difficulty obtaining state IDs.

The Republican-backed bill prohibits towns and counties from spending money on or issuing photo IDs. It also prohibits using city or village IDs to vote or obtain public benefits, like food stamps.

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Scout  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:22:27pm

re: #157 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And they’re at Point Defiance! I can go see them! Yay!

Isn’t that the one in Tacoma?

(My dad was born in Tacoma in 1923. I was born in Port Angeles and grew up in Marysville.)

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lawhawk  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:22:32pm

re: #367 Charles Johnson

It’s a conspiracy. I tell ya….

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:22:39pm

re: #367 Charles Johnson

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Mind, Mind! What is Mind?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:22:50pm

re: #367 Charles Johnson

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Ummm, I think they’d done that long BEFORE you went away from Twitter.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:22:54pm

re: #367 Charles Johnson

I was listening to Mark Thompson on SiriusXM about 45 minutes ago and he is finding that a lot of Bernie trolls are bonafide RWNJs just trying to stir up crap.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:23:36pm

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nope, no government overreach here. None at all. No siree….

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:24:10pm

re: #369 Scout

Isn’t that the one in Tacoma?

(My dad was born in Tacoma in 1923. I was born in Port Angeles and grew up in Marysville.)

Yes it is—I live in Kent, so kind of a drive, but it’d be worth it. Not as far as Woodland Park at least.

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KGxvi  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:29:38pm

re: #374 Eclectic Cyborg

Nope, no government overreach here. None at all. No siree….

turns out “local government” is whatever level of government that the GOP happens to have control.

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wrenchwench  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:30:21pm

Humidity is still in the double digits, but not for long.

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KGxvi  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:32:11pm

re: #377 wrenchwench

see, desert living starts to look appealing, and then stuff like this happens and I’m like, “nooope.”

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wrenchwench  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:33:33pm

re: #378 KGxvi

see, desert living starts to look appealing, and then stuff like this happens and I’m like, “nooope.”

Gotta pick your spot very carefully.

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Jack Burton  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:33:51pm

re: #377 wrenchwench

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Humidity is still in the double digits, but not for long.

I drove through that particular area before. It looked just like that at the time too. In fact that entire trip was ridiculous. NM to almost Tuscon, dust storms like it was Mars or Fury Road. Tuscon to almost California, torrential rain. The mountains into San Diego, a couple of feet of snow and all the CA drivers that have never seen it before sliding all over the road. The most stressful road trip of my life.

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KGxvi  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:34:20pm

re: #379 wrenchwench

Gotta pick your spot very carefully.

I did, that’s why I’m about four blocks from the Pacific Ocean.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:35:12pm

re: #378 KGxvi

see, desert living starts to look appealing, and then stuff like this happens and I’m like, “nooope.”

I’ve spent my whole life wanting to go to Mars, and then I see something like this and say: “Why?” Still want to go, though.

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wrenchwench  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:35:36pm

re: #381 KGxvi

I did, that’s why I’m about four blocks from the Pacific Ocean.

Well done!

I’ll be right over.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:36:04pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:40:36pm

re: #365 Dr. Matt

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theyve awarded themselves a number of states where state polls hillary vs trump have hillary ahead

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:43:24pm

re: #385 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

theyve awarded themselves a number of states where state polls hillary vs trump have hillary ahead

They appear to have been unskewing again. Please proceed, GOP.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:43:40pm

re: #385 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

theyve awarded themselves a number of states where state polls hillary vs trump have hillary ahead

At this stage of the game, the question they asked might as well have been: “Which Presidential candidate did you hear mentioned last?”

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IngisKahn  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:44:08pm

I don’t see what’s so bad about the occasional rare dust storm. I’ll take that over rain, snow, humidity, and cold any day.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:45:21pm

I have been furiously sorting piles of papers on my desk in preparation for moving my office. Now my arms are tired, and my brain is numb. I’m not sure I could make a decision now if I had to.

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stpaulbear  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:45:36pm

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

Walker Signs Bill Blocking Communities From Issuing IDs For Voting

So when does Wisconsin pass a bill prohibiting poor people from entering grocery stores? That seems to be where they’re heading.

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Reality Based Steve  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:45:59pm

re: #367 Charles Johnson

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That whole “Jury Duty” thing was just a clever ploy to get get you out of the way so they can implement the next stage in their grand master plan.

RBS

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wrenchwench  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:46:57pm

re: #388 IngisKahn

I don’t see what’s so bad about the occasional rare dust storm. I’ll take that over rain, snow, humidity, and cold any day.

The lack of rarity, mostly.

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KGxvi  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:47:20pm

re: #385 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

they have Trump winning Michigan, which no Republican presidential nominee has won since 1988. Same with Pennsylvania. Good luck with that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:47:21pm

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

Walker Signs Bill Blocking Communities From Issuing IDs For Voting

What, apart from the obvious partisan advantage argument, is the rationale behind that?

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Charles Johnson  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:47:46pm
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Kragar  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:51:03pm
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Reality Based Steve  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:52:46pm

re: #396 Kragar

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Well you just can’t throw the mans own words and video back as some kind of “proof”. That’s typical of you liebruls.

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IngisKahn  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:55:37pm

re: #392 wrenchwench

Last dust storm we had was 2 years ago. But even then, it’s just a few minutes of inconvenience.

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stpaulbear  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:55:41pm

re: #396 Kragar

That’s nitpicking, isn’t it?

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KGxvi  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:56:01pm

re: #397 Reality Based Steve

Well you just can’t throw the mans own words and video back as some kind of “proof”. That’s typical of you liebruls.

Defendant: objection! heresy!

Court: I think you mean “hearsay.”

Defendant: no I mean, heresy! this all goes against my gawd given rites!

Court: ok, well then, overruled.

Defendant: YOU CAN’T OVERRULE THE ONE TRUE GOD!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:56:12pm

re: #397 Reality Based Steve

Well you just can’t throw the mans own words and video back as some kind of “proof”. That’s typical of you liebruls.

“Any Ad Which Quotes What I Said On Sunday Is A Falsehood”

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Kragar  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:56:22pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:56:58pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:56:59pm

re: #385 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

theyve awarded themselves a number of states where state polls hillary vs trump have hillary ahead

specifically, real clear politics averages have hillary ahead in penn 7.4, mich 8.6, n carolina 2, ohio 4, florida 2.2, and by this time she’s already long ago killing him in the electoral college so i give up

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wrenchwench  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:58:58pm

re: #398 IngisKahn

Last dust storm we had was 2 years ago. But even then, it’s just a few minutes of inconvenience.

Stops traffic on nearby highways a few times per year. Occasional collisions involved.

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Kragar  Apr 25, 2016 • 4:59:28pm

re: #397 Reality Based Steve

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Reality Based Steve  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:01:05pm

I have to say that I really really like the X-Ray feature on Amazon Videos. You put your mouse over the screen, it pops up a window of the actors names, music playing, and the location shot if it’s available.

RBS

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Jack Burton  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:02:45pm

re: #402 Kragar

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Let us know how many of them post that graphic about where the money is going to come from. (Which is also simplistic and wrong but doesn’t answer the question anyway.)

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Kragar  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:03:13pm

re: #408 Jack Burton

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Kragar  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:04:06pm
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IngisKahn  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:04:48pm

re: #405 wrenchwench

Stops traffic on nearby highways a few times per year. Occasional collisions involved.

Yup, I just don’t see how that is so awful compared to anywhere else.

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Jack Burton  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:08:52pm

re: #409 Kragar

“It’s on his website.”

Oh really. So they mean he has this on it?

FEEL THE BERN!
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Charles Johnson  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:11:15pm
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mmmirele  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:12:57pm

re: #398 IngisKahn

Last dust storm we had was 2 years ago. But even then, it’s just a few minutes of inconvenience.

Blergh. It’s not a few minutes of inconvenience when it’s 110 , the power’s out and there’s dust blowing around. I could drive over to my mom’s for just the temperature and power, but driving in a dust storm is just asking for trouble. My solution? Take out a sheet, dampen the entire thing, wrap up in it and take a nap.

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Targetpractice  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:14:43pm

re: #413 Charles Johnson

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The Dem race is going off the rails? The Dem race realistically ended weeks ago. All we’re witnessing now is a campaign lashing out in its death throes.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:17:08pm

re: #413 Charles Johnson

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dear frank luntz,

i took careful note of the fact that your focus group last year showed that trump had lost 90% of his support after his first refusal at the debate to vow to back the gop nominee

this definitive result has had a marked effect on all my subsequent evaluations of your opinions

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IngisKahn  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:17:32pm

re: #414 mmmirele

Blergh. It’s not a few minutes of inconvenience when it’s 110 , the power’s out and there’s dust blowing around. I could drive over to my mom’s for just the temperature and power, but driving in a dust storm is just asking for trouble. My solution? Take out a sheet, dampen the entire thing, wrap up in it and take a nap.

Well that had to suck. Losing power in the summer is scary, but thankfully has been very rare for me. I’ll be getting that Tesla Power Wall as soon as it’s available.

418
mmmirele  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:18:07pm
I don’t think this is going to work either.

sltrib.com

419
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:18:49pm

re: #415 Targetpractice

The Dem race is going off the rails? The Dem race realistically ended weeks ago. All we’re witnessing now is a campaign lashing out in its death throes.

17 Republican candidates means they have a “deep bench”. 2 Democratic candidates means the party’s “off the rails”. Just think—if there had only been one Democratic candidate in 2008, we might have won!

420
Charles Johnson  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:20:39pm
421
Jack Burton  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:20:55pm

re: #415 Targetpractice

The Dem race is going off the rails? The Dem race realistically ended weeks ago. All we’re witnessing now is a campaign lashing out in its death throes.

Has the Daily Kos actually moved into general election mode and started banning BernieBros that use right wing talking points against Hillary yet?

422
Targetpractice  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:21:35pm

re: #409 Kragar

[Embedded content]

It’s the magic of socialism, it needs not be explained during the revolution, comrade. We leave such matters to the leaders after the revolution has happened. I mean look at the glory of Mother Russia…wait, perhaps China…North Korea? Give me a sec…

////

423
Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:21:49pm

heh

424
Targetpractice  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:22:24pm

re: #421 Jack Burton

Has the Daily Kos actually moved into general election mode and started banning BernieBros that use right wing talking points against Hillary yet?

Fuck no, Markos took one look at the resurgence of the Bernie Bros after he gained “momentum” in recent weeks and decided that his meal ticket was more important than being taken seriously as a mod.

425
nines09  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:22:43pm

re: #326 jaunte

“Am I a dick? A big dick? You know I am. Big dick. That’s what we need today. Big dick. A huge dick. I’m a huge dick. Swinging huge dick. And I’ll be swinging it. Magnificent swings. Presidential swings. Huge swings. When you think of dick, think Trump Presidential Dick. At 3AM I’m a dick. All day. All night. Dick.”
You could drink from the dogs water bowl and have more class than this……Dick.

426
Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:23:38pm

Somebody at the World Meteorological Center has been watching Frozen.

Hurricane Elsa in 2021!

And to make it better, Ana is on the same list. And Olaf is on the Pacific list for the same cycle.

427
ObserverArt  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:24:00pm

So, for those that wonder what Bernie will do should he lose the primaries and Hillary is the Democratic candidate the answer is…basically nothing.

He is doing a town hall on MSNBC with Chris Hayes and a Bernie supporter asked him what he will say to his supporters that say they will write in Bernie, or vote for Trump or not vote at all if Bernie isn’t the Dem candidate.

He said that he isn’t responsible for what people do, he is only a candidate that has attracted people due to his message. It will be Hillary that is responsible for putting forth a message that his supporters and others will choose to support and vote for.

Thanks Bernie. Nice that you are such an independent…

I will withhold what I really want to say about that. I don’t want to speak for anyone.

428
Shiplord Kirel  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:24:11pm

I have two questions about this paid troll operation at the Clinton campaign: How much do they pay and how do I apply?

429
Jack Burton  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:24:12pm

re: #424 Targetpractice

Fuck no, Markos took one look at the resurgence of the Bernie Bros after he gained “momentum” in recent weeks and decided that his meal ticket was more important than being taken seriously as a mod.

I’m shocked… SHOCKED!

/

430
The Vicious Babushka  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:24:25pm

Wow such Presidential very leadership so class

431
MsJ  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:25:28pm

re: #427 ObserverArt

So, for those that wonder what Bernie will do should he lose the primaries and Hillary is the Democratic candidate the answer is…basically nothing.

He is doing a town hall on MSNBC with Chris Hayes and a Bernie supporter asked him what he will say to his supporters that say they will write in Bernie, or vote for Trump or not vote at all if Bernie isn’t the Dem candidate.

He said that he isn’t responsible for what people do, he is only a candidate that has attracted people due to his message. It will be Hillary that is responsible for putting forth a message that his supporters and others will choose to support and vote for.

Thanks Bernie. Nice that you are such an independent…

I will withhold what I really want to say about that. I don’t want to speak for anyone.

Allow me to speak for me: Fuck you, Bernie.

432
Scout  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:25:44pm

Forgive me if someone else has already posted the obvious — I’m a bit slow in the uptake — but it’s clear Tim Robbins is being paid by Hillary to make Sen. Sanders look bad.

(Yeah, that’s my attempt at humor.)

433
Reality Based Steve  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:26:10pm

re: #428 Shiplord Kirel

I have two questions about this paid troll operation at the Clinton campaign: How much do they pay and how do I apply?

You didn’t get that in the FEMA - Operation Global Overlord packet? It should be in the blue manila envelope with the UN Symbol entitled “Additional Programs and Schedules”.

RBS

434
Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:26:40pm
435
Targetpractice  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:28:03pm

re: #427 ObserverArt

So, for those that wonder what Bernie will do should he lose the primaries and Hillary is the Democratic candidate the answer is…basically nothing.

He is doing a town hall on MSNBC with Chris Hayes and a Bernie supporter asked him what he will say to his supporters that say they will write in Bernie, or vote for Trump or not vote at all if Bernie isn’t the Dem candidate.

He said that he isn’t responsible for what people do, he is only a candidate that has attracted people due to his message. It will be Hillary that is responsible for putting forth a message that his supporters and others will choose to support and vote for.

Thanks Bernie. Nice that you are such an independent…

I will withhold what I really want to say about that. I don’t want to speak for anyone.

So that’s another promise from Bernie that he’s reversed himself on.

Shocker./////

436
Barefoot Grin  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:31:29pm

re: #366 Dr. Matt

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Of course. This is exactly what Prince, the non-voting Jehovah’s Witness, said.

437
Targetpractice  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:32:15pm

Months ago: “On our worst day, we’re 100 times better than any Republican candidate.”

Days ago: “Oh yes, I’ll do everything I can to keep Donald Trump from becoming president.”

Today: “It’s not my job to help her get elected!”

438
Reality Based Steve  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:35:26pm

I have to admit that I’m at a total loss how anybody who is a Sanders supporter could possibly then see themselves voting for Trump if (when) Bernie finally concedes. I’m hard pressed to see how this could be anything more than a “I didn’t get my pick, so I’m going to kick all the pieces off the board and hold my breath until I turn blue” position.

I can’t think of a single position where the two candidates come even close to anything like an alignment. This isn’t the position of a principled citizen, it’s the position of a self-centered egotist who’s only position is himself.

RBS

439
ObserverArt  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:35:36pm

re: #436 Barefoot Grin

Of course. This is exactly what Prince, the non-voting Jehovah’s Witness, said.

I am not so surprised that a conservative jackass like Shilling would fall for a false meme about Prince being a Republican supporter.

He is a Republican after all, and they often times fall for fake politics. Look who they vote for and support. This year it is the ultimate fake…TRUMP®.

440
ObserverArt  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:37:45pm

re: #438 Reality Based Steve

I have to admit that I’m at a total loss how anybody who is a Sanders supporter could possibly then see themselves voting for Trump if (when) Bernie finally concedes. I’m hard pressed to see how this could be anything more than a “I didn’t get my pick, so I’m going to kick all the pieces off the board and hold my breath until I turn blue” position.

I can’t think of a single position where the two candidates come even close to anything like an alignment. This isn’t the position of a principled citizen, it’s the position of a self-centered egotist who’s only position is himself.

RBS

We had a discussion about selfishness by Bernie and some of his supporters upthread.

441
Testy Toad T  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:38:40pm

re: #438 Reality Based Steve

I can’t think of a single position where the two candidates come even close to anything like an alignment. This isn’t the position of a principled citizen, it’s the position of a self-centered egotist who’s only position is himself.

Clueless protectionist trade policies that will underpants-gnomes our manufacturing jobs back.

They’re actually almost mirrors of each other on this.

442
jaunte  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:40:40pm

Watching the Bernie Sanders town hall. His answer to how we’re going to achieve free university for all seems to be that all the students will protest, and it will happen.

443
SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:42:08pm

re: #442 jaunte

Maybe the students should boycott college.

444
Targetpractice  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:42:09pm

re: #438 Reality Based Steve

I have to admit that I’m at a total loss how anybody who is a Sanders supporter could possibly then see themselves voting for Trump if (when) Bernie finally concedes. I’m hard pressed to see how this could be anything more than a “I didn’t get my pick, so I’m going to kick all the pieces off the board and hold my breath until I turn blue” position.

I can’t think of a single position where the two candidates come even close to anything like an alignment. This isn’t the position of a principled citizen, it’s the position of a self-centered egotist who’s only position is himself.

RBS

I admit I haven’t seen many Bernie Bros in the wild who have said they’d vote for him. Most I’ve seen have made the classic “sore loser progressive” argument: “We’re better off with another Republican than (insert moderate Democrat) in office!,” with the usual wild-eyed talk about how said Republican will totally wreck the country so fast that by the time he comes up for reelection, the American people will rise up in “revolution” and throw him out in favor of a socialist savior.

445
GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:42:13pm

re: #438 Reality Based Steve

They will write him in where it’s an option. Or go Jill Stein.

446
jaunte  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:42:46pm

re: #443 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Maybe the students should boycott college.

I think that may be his plan.

447
Stanley Sea  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:42:52pm

re: #438 Reality Based Steve

I have to admit that I’m at a total loss how anybody who is a Sanders supporter could possibly then see themselves voting for Trump if (when) Bernie finally concedes. I’m hard pressed to see how this could be anything more than a “I didn’t get my pick, so I’m going to kick all the pieces off the board and hold my breath until I turn blue” position.

I can’t think of a single position where the two candidates come even close to anything like an alignment. This isn’t the position of a principled citizen, it’s the position of a self-centered egotist who’s only position is himself.

RBS

They hate Hillary that much.

448
Reality Based Steve  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:43:00pm

re: #440 ObserverArt

We had a discussion about selfishness by Bernie and some of his supporters upthread.

re: #441 Testy Toad T

Clueless protectionist trade policies that will underpants-gnomes our manufacturing jobs back.

They’re actually almost mirrors of each other on this.

Thanks. I’ve had this discussion with the girlfriend of one of the shop interns (indentured servants). She’s a Bernie fanatic, president of the College Democrats at the local State U.

RBS

449
Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:43:44pm
450
Testy Toad T  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:43:45pm

re: #444 Targetpractice

usual wild-eyed talk about how said Republican will totally wreck the country so fast that by the time he comes up for reelection, the American people will rise up in “revolution” and throw him out in favor of a socialist savior.

Worked great in ‘04!

451
FormerDirtDart  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:44:20pm

United States Supreme Court next?

A federal appeals court has upheld New England Patriots Quarterback Tom Brady’s four-game suspension for deflating footballs during the 2015 AFC Championship game.

452
Testy Toad T  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:44:31pm

re: #449 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fundamentally intellectually uncurious, isn’t he? The mask drops more and more.

453
Targetpractice  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:44:32pm

re: #442 jaunte

Watching the Bernie Sanders town hall. His answer to how we’re going to achieve free university for all seems to be that all the students will protest, and it will happen.

That’s his answer to virtually every question about his policies: “I can’t make it happen, but millions of Americans will demand that it happens.”

You know, just like we have universal background checks, a public option on the insurance marketplaces, and massively upgraded national infrastructure.

454
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:44:36pm

re: #444 Targetpractice

I admit I haven’t seen many Bernie Bros in the wild who have said they’d vote for him. Most I’ve seen have made the classic “sore loser progressive” argument: “We’re better off with another Republican than (insert moderate Democrat) in office!,” with the usual wild-eyed talk about how said Republican will totally wreck the country so fast that by the time he comes up for reelection, the American people will rise up in “revolution” and throw him out in favor of a socialist savior.

Like in 2004.

455
goddamnedfrank  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:44:37pm

re: #442 jaunte

Watching the Bernie Sanders town hall. His answer to how we’re going to achieve free university for all seems to be that all the students will protest, and it will happen.

Yeah I saw that too. He was really playing with fire earlier when that kid asked him about not voting for Hillary in the general. Chris had to steer him back around and give him a second shot at saying how bad the GOP was. His initial answer was that he couldn’t / was not going to do a damned thing and that she would have to jump through a bunch of policy hoops to earn his voters support.

456
dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:44:38pm

re: #430 The Vicious Babushka

On eve of possible five-state sweep, Trump says his rivals are “weak” and “pathetic”

trump has proven that it is possible to run for president as a seventh grader

457
ObserverArt  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:45:14pm

re: #442 jaunte

Watching the Bernie Sanders town hall. His answer to how we’re going to achieve free university for all seems to be that all the students will protest, and it will happen.

Yep. And I turned to a Cleveland Indians ball game as I felt my blood boiling and I didn’t need that after listening to him say crap like that.

He is such a disappointment. I hope some of his supporters that have their heads on straight realize what they are supporting. The guy is now a cancer to the party.

458
The globulosus alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:45:31pm

re: #394 Blind Frog Belly White

What, apart from the obvious partisan advantage argument, is the rationale behind that?

Rationale? You’re talking about a serious Tea Party Wisconsin GOP here. They don’t need no stinkin’ rationale.

459
Great White Snark  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:46:07pm
460
Testy Toad T  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:46:17pm

re: #457 ObserverArt

Yep. And I turned to a Cleveland Indians ball game as I felt my blood boiling and I didn’t need that after listening to him say crap like that.

He is such a disappointment. I hope some of his supporters that have their heads on straight realize what they are supporting. The guy is now a cancer to the party.

No. By definition, cancer is an internal threat, not a foreign infection.

461
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:46:53pm

re: #454 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

re: #450 Testy Toad T

Worked great in ‘04!

Really should read ahead.

462
goddamnedfrank  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:46:54pm

re: #427 ObserverArt

So, for those that wonder what Bernie will do should he lose the primaries and Hillary is the Democratic candidate the answer is…basically nothing.

He is doing a town hall on MSNBC with Chris Hayes and a Bernie supporter asked him what he will say to his supporters that say they will write in Bernie, or vote for Trump or not vote at all if Bernie isn’t the Dem candidate.

He said that he isn’t responsible for what people do, he is only a candidate that has attracted people due to his message. It will be Hillary that is responsible for putting forth a message that his supporters and others will choose to support and vote for.

Thanks Bernie. Nice that you are such an independent…

I will withhold what I really want to say about that. I don’t want to speak for anyone.

He came around a bit after Chris pressed him but I agree, his initial answer was disgusting and reckless as hell.

463
Testy Toad T  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:47:43pm

re: #462 goddamnedfrank

He came around a bit after Chris pressed him but I agree, his initial answer was disgusting and reckless as hell.

He hasn’t run in a competitive election in thirty years, and boy does it show.

464
ObserverArt  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:49:44pm

re: #452 Testy Toad T

Fundamentally intellectually uncurious, isn’t he? The mask drops more and more.

I think I detected some small groans and stunned silence when he said that. As there should be. He is icing what a lot of what many of us were fearful. He is coming right out and letting everyone know he doesn’t give a fuck about the Democrat party. In fact he is more or less saying they (we…remember that) all suck and are part of the problem.

He is basically dropping his pants and mooning anyone that isn’t feeling the Bern.

465
SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:49:54pm

re: #449 Backwoods_Sleuth

That would be a perfect opportunity for him to talk about a downticket race, and one that would benefit him. But he couldn’t be bothered.

466
Targetpractice  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:50:12pm

See, when I watch Bernie now, I don’t see the well-meaning but idealistic guy I first saw months ago. I see the bitter old man who never takes loss well and is always ready to incriminate others for his own failings. He’s going to leave this race a sore loser, driving a wedge in the party just to spite them for not accepting him as their messiah.

467
Testy Toad T  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:50:35pm

Neither Trump nor Sanders ever expected to actually be competitive in this race.

468
ObserverArt  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:55:04pm

re: #465 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

That would be a perfect opportunity for him to talk about a downticket race, and one that would benefit him. But he couldn’t be bothered.

He can’t be bothered because he really doesn’t care.

Imma go beat on my drums. Time to take out some frustrations with this crap.

469
GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:55:18pm

Hope this is the last time the DNC lets in an outsider.

470
Testy Toad T  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:57:27pm

re: #469 GlutenFreeJesus

Hope this is the last time the DNC lets in an outsider.

At the same time, this party is and must remain inclusive. People change their minds over time.

What do you think about, say, requiring that a candidate have run for and held their most recent office as a Democrat?

471
FormerDirtDart  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:57:41pm

Disrupt the establishment…
Annnd…just ignore that pesky Constitution thing

Damn twits

472
b.d.  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:59:54pm

re: #471 FormerDirtDart

Disrupt the establishment…
Annnd…just ignore that pesky Constitution thing

Damn twits

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If the GOP can nominate a Canadian then someone 4 years shy of the 35 year old requirement shouldn’t be a problem.

//

473
The Vicious Babushka  Apr 25, 2016 • 5:59:58pm

re: #456 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

trump has proven that it is possible to run for president as a seventh fourth grader

474
Barefoot Grin  Apr 25, 2016 • 6:01:09pm

re: #469 GlutenFreeJesus

Hope this is the last time the DNC lets in an outsider.

Unfortunately, it works the other way, too: Lieberman.

475
BeachDem  Apr 25, 2016 • 6:01:10pm

re: #447 Stanley Sea

They hate Hillary that much.

They’re sounding more and more like my wingnut brother. Talked to brother dearest today—he thinks:

Trump is really smart, really accomplished, wouldn’t be bad—not his first choice (that was Christie, followed by Rubio—oy)

Cruz wouldn’t be bad either. Brother dearest knows nothing of Cruz’s religious fanaticism, has never heard of 7 Mountains, and agrees with almost all of
Cruz’s positions; feels they match his own conservative views.

Kasich—he didn’t really know anything about him, other than even if he were the worst person on the face of the planet, he’d vote for him over that horrible, horrible Hillary, who’s almost as bad and unaccomplished as Obama.

I truly can’t believe we are related.

476
No Depression  Apr 25, 2016 • 6:01:40pm

re: #316 Jenner7

ROFL Shaun King’s source for paid trolls is reddit. Oh my…

LOL what a pathetic hack.

477
stpaulbear  Apr 25, 2016 • 6:01:59pm

re: #464 ObserverArt

He is coming right out and letting everyone know he doesn’t give a fuck about the Democrat party

::Ahem:: Democratic party. The ‘Democrat party’ is the term that Boehner and every other republican use when they want to insult the party. Sorry, but it’s a pet peeve of mine. Every time I see it I think of it as insulting democrats.

478
ObserverArt  Apr 25, 2016 • 6:02:09pm

re: #463 Testy Toad T

He hasn’t run in a competitive election in thirty years, and boy does it show.

It also shows why he is a politician in a small rural state. I hate to say it…easy pickings.

It is no wonder why he isn’t a New York politician. He would have been eaten alive.

Yeah…drums…later!

479
ObserverArt  Apr 25, 2016 • 6:04:33pm

re: #477 stpaulbear

::Ahem:: Democratic party. The ‘Democrat party’ is the term that Boehner and every other republican use when they want to insult the party. Sorry, but it’s a pet peeve of mine. Every time I see it I think of it as insulting democrats.

Sloppy on my part. I’m a little Berned out tonight.

480
No Depression  Apr 25, 2016 • 6:05:20pm

re: #442 jaunte

Watching the Bernie Sanders town hall. His answer to how we’re going to achieve free university for all seems to be that all the students will protest, and it will happen.

If Bernie and his supporters think the system is so rigged, then why do they think that simply demanding shit will make it happen?

481
FormerDirtDart  Apr 25, 2016 • 6:07:09pm

re: #472 b.d.

If the GOP can nominate a Canadian then someone 4 years shy of the 35 year old requirement shouldn’t be a problem.

//

Maybe they were planning to use the sum of the tickets combined age, and dividing by two
//

482
stpaulbear  Apr 25, 2016 • 6:09:07pm

re: #480 No Depression

If Bernie and his supporters think the system is so rigged, then why do they think that simply demanding shit will make it happen?

Because they’re asking, and no one has ever asked for it so brilliantly before. Heck, no one has even been smart enough to ask for it before. It will happen!

edit: I hate it when I hit blockquote instead of italics.

483
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 25, 2016 • 6:10:19pm

Lawsuit: Man leaving Walmart beaten by off-duty officer over tomato

Carnegay said after he was on the ground in handcuffs, the officer reached into his pocket found his receipt, which he said showed he paid for the tomato.

484
No Depression  Apr 25, 2016 • 6:12:38pm

re: #482 stpaulbear

Because they’re asking, and no one has ever asked for it so brilliantly before. Heck, no one has even been smart enough to ask for it before. It will

!

Berners: WE DEMAND FREE COLLEGE AND SINGLE-PAYER RIGHT NOW!

GOP Congress: LOL

485
The globulosus alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  Apr 25, 2016 • 6:13:16pm

re: #483 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Jesus. So that’s where we’re at.

486
Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 25, 2016 • 6:13:54pm

re: #482 stpaulbear

Because they’re asking, and no one has ever asked for it so brilliantly before. Heck, no one has even been smart enough to ask for it before. It will happen!

You know, I wish I could contradict you, but I can’t. My experience with my brother is an example. He’s 70 years old, been politically aware his whole life. When we got into a discussion of Sanders and supporting downticket races, he tried to make out that I was being silly for not assuming that a Sanders win would give the House and Senate to the Dems. Basically, it would be so transformative that everything would change!

I pointed out that the GOP keeping the House was the most likely outcome, no matter who won the White House. He had no response.

487
Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 25, 2016 • 6:14:01pm

re: #483 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I guess the laws will just have to have to ketchup.

488
goddamnedfrank  Apr 25, 2016 • 6:15:05pm

And like that she made Bernie look like the petulant fool he is.

489
Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2016 • 6:18:08pm

re: #488 goddamnedfrank

And like that she made Bernie look like the petulant fool he is.

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490
Great White Snark  Apr 25, 2016 • 6:19:04pm

re: #483 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I hope that poor guy becomes the very next Walmart millionaire. He deserves to. And that guard should be charged assault with intent to do great bodily harm. Maybe the guard shield won’t protect him like a badge would have. Maybe.

491
Testy Toad T  Apr 25, 2016 • 6:19:34pm

re: #489 Backwoods_Sleuth

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

“That’s what one does.”

Mic drop.

492
Jebediah, RBG  Apr 25, 2016 • 6:20:00pm

re: #117 HappyWarrior

These people will fall for any fucking thing.

Bernie’s mailing lists would be a treasure trove for unscrupulous time-share peddlers.

493
Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 25, 2016 • 6:20:41pm

re: #492 Jebediah, RBG

Bernie’s mailing lists would be a treasure trove for unscrupulous time-share peddlers.

“Would you like to take a survey??”

494
goddamnedfrank  Apr 25, 2016 • 6:26:00pm
495
retired cynic  Apr 25, 2016 • 6:49:57pm

re: #405 wrenchwench

Stops traffic on nearby highways a few times per year. Occasional collisions involved.

I got in one of those in Kansas some years back. I-70 closed. We got a hotel room, and awoke to find the room covered with sand dunes. It had forced itself in around door and window jambs, and drifted across the floor. We get enough back in the grain belt, following tractors in the spring. Bleah.

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retired cynic  Apr 25, 2016 • 6:57:51pm

re: #430 The Vicious Babushka

Wow such Presidential very leadership so class

[Embedded content]

He’s been dosing with orange again, I see.


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Mad Men: Inside the Men’s Rights Movement—and the Army of Misogynists and Trolls It Spawned - Mother Jones On a balmy afternoon last June, dozens of demonstrators carrying “Stop the Violence” and “Rape is Rape” placards descended on the Hilton DoubleTree in downtown Detroit. They had come to protest the first-ever national gathering of the men’s rights ...
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Men Legally Allowed to Finish Sex Even if Woman Revokes Consent, NC Law States - Broadly ne May evening in 1977, Beverly Hester was sexually assaulted. According to the summary included in the North Carolina Supreme Court decision State v. Way, she testified that the perpetrator, Donnie Way, threatened to beat her if she didn't ...
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4 USAF Aircraft Destroyed or Damaged in a Week Thunderbirds F16 flipped when landing after their practice flight for Dayton Air Show. Two people hurt. 📷WHIO pic.twitter.com/LRcuVucKIm — Tom Podolec CTV News (@TomPodolec) June 23, 2017 A few days ago an F-16 crashed on takeoff at Ellington AFB, ...
Unshaken Defiance
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The Mets, Jets, and Dems; My Triumvirate of Lost Causesblog.timesunion.comFor pictures, click on the link above. The Mets, Jets, and Dems; my triumvirate of lost causesBy Rob Hoffman on June 26, 2017 at 5:53 AM0I’m in a slump. This is an undeniable fact, and not one of those alternative ...
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Why Are So Many Queer Girls in Juvie? The findings come out of years of research done by Angela Irvine and Aisha Canfield for the National Council on Crime and Delinquency (both now work at Impact Justice). For this particular statistic, they anonymously surveyed 1,400 girls in ...
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North Carolina Televangelist Indicted on Charges of Tax Crimes Coontz, 50, is described on his website as a "pastor, evangelist, television host, author, humanitarian, philanthropist, businessman." "a 2011 BMW, a 2011 Regal 2500 boat, a 2012 BMW convertible, a 2011 Lexus, a 2011 Land Rover, a 2006 Ferrari, ...
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Isaac Asimov’s Best Arguments of All Time, Part One ➤ #Subscribe: goo.gl➤ Facebook: goo.gl➤ Twitter: goo.gl➤ Google+ : goo.gl➤ Site: goo.gl➤ Thanks for watching :) #Sciencetoday is channel uses for #education, #teaching, #review, #commentary, or research... If you have any issues with content, please contact us, for an ...
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AWOLNATION - Hollow Moon (Bad Wolf) (Official Video) AWOLNATION's official video for "Hollow Moon (Bad Wolf)". Watch the new AWOLNATION video Run (Beautiful Things) - YouTube From AWOLNATION’s new album, ‘RUN’, available now at:iTunes - smarturl.it CDs, Vinyl + Bundles - smarturl.itGoogle Play - smarturl.it Stream ‘RUN’ ...
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Judge Fines Kris Kobach $1K for Misleading Court on Materials He Brought to Trump Meeting Just another GOP liar, it's all they know how to do. WICHITA — A judge has fined Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach $1,000 for misleading the court about the contents of materials he was photographed taking into a ...
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Bernie and Jane Sanders, Under FBI Investigation for Bank Fraud, Hire Lawyers Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., and his wife, Jane Sanders have hired prominent defense attorneys amid an FBI investigation into a loan Jane Sanders obtained to expand Burlington College while she was its president, CBS News confirms. Politico Magazine first ...
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