Video: Hillary Clinton Uses Republican Quotes Against Donald Trump

The unifier
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This is pretty glorious. Hillary Clinton’s new ad starts with Donald Trump bragging that he’s going to be “a unifier,” then hits him with clip after clip of Republicans tearing him apart as a “know-nothing candidate,” a misogynist, a bully, a phony, a con artist, “the most vulgar person ever to aspire to the presidency,” a “race-baiting, xenophobic religious bigot,” and much more.

Ending with Jeb Bush saying, “He needs therapy.”

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264 comments
1
Lidane  May 4, 2016 • 3:16:11pm
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Skip Intro  May 4, 2016 • 3:17:02pm

Damn it, Hillary, those are the things Republicans love about him. Find something else; there’s plenty out there.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 3:19:32pm

re: #1 Lidane

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Oh man, this is brilliant.

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jaunte  May 4, 2016 • 3:20:32pm

I’ll just leave this here:

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Kragar  May 4, 2016 • 3:21:55pm
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Aunty Entity Dragon  May 4, 2016 • 3:22:20pm

That ad was brilliant.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 4, 2016 • 3:22:38pm

re: #4 jaunte

I’ll just leave this here:

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I know they had to say it, but it must have taken a lot of Bailey’s-soaked Cheerios to click the ‘Submit’ button.

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jaunte  May 4, 2016 • 3:23:56pm

There’s no denial like “Trump has made the party better” denial.

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Patricia Kayden  May 4, 2016 • 3:24:53pm

re: #1 Lidane

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Oh snap!!

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 3:25:35pm

Well why not Trump if they kept the guy who wanted to be David Duke without the baggage as third in the House GOP leadership.

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Patricia Kayden  May 4, 2016 • 3:25:42pm

re: #5 Kragar

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Of course he will. He’s not stupid enough to waste his money on losing to Secretary Clinton.

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Archangelus  May 4, 2016 • 3:28:16pm
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darthstar  May 4, 2016 • 3:31:01pm

Gonna miss this guy…never mind the fact that he can easily lift a lead filled kid.

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majii  May 4, 2016 • 3:31:34pm

re: #8 jaunte

These are the same people who said Romney was a shoo-in for the WH in 2012, and he and Ms. Ann even went on national TV to tell us that,”It was their turn.”

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Skip Intro  May 4, 2016 • 3:31:53pm

re: #12 Archangelus

The party is not better, but for the first time there’s no doubt at all about what the GOP really stands for.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 4, 2016 • 3:33:55pm
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darthstar  May 4, 2016 • 3:34:52pm

I’m going to miss hearing about Lyin’ Ted. I just got over Little Marco and Low Energy Jeb! withdrawals.

And notice how all these assholes - Graham, Romney, Cruz, Rubio, Kasich - say they’re going to vote for Trump even though they won’t endorse him... What the hell is that supposed to mean?

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The Vicious Babushka  May 4, 2016 • 3:35:22pm

Here is the word salad==>
Sarah Palin, eat your heart out.

No, he was asking me a theoretical, or just a question in theory, and I talked about it only from that standpoint. Of course not. And that was done, he said, you know, I guess it was theoretically, but he was asking a rhetorical question, and I gave an answer. And by the way, people thought from an academic standpoint, and, asked rhetorically, people said that answer was an unbelievable academic answer! But of course not, and I said that afterwards.

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Archangelus  May 4, 2016 • 3:36:10pm

re: #16 The Vicious Babushka

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Nope, not gonna fall for that bait and click the link… I like my IQ points and sanity too much (what’s left of both of them by this point, at any rate)… /

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  May 4, 2016 • 3:37:30pm

re: #17 darthstar

I’m going to miss hearing about Lyin’ Ted. I just got over Little Marco and Low Energy Jeb! withdrawals.

And notice how all these assholes - Graham, Romney, Cruz, Rubio, Kasich - say they’re going to vote for Trump even though they won’t endorse him... What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Party before Country.
Wheeee!

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 3:38:52pm

re: #17 darthstar

I’m going to miss hearing about Lyin’ Ted. I just got over Little Marco and Low Energy Jeb! withdrawals.

And notice how all these assholes - Graham, Romney, Cruz, Rubio, Kasich - say they’re going to vote for Trump even though they won’t endorse him... What the hell is that supposed to mean?

All of them are cowards. Oh they’ll vote for him but they won’t risk their political capital by being seen with him. As I said downstairs, make the fuckers own Trump. Liken every Republican running for office from the Senate to the smallest town’s council to this dickweed.

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darthstar  May 4, 2016 • 3:38:53pm

re: #20 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Party before Country.
Wheeee!

BTW, where’s DF in all of this? I hope he doesn’t turn into a Green Party supporter. He’s far too sensitive to survive in that environment.

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Tigger2  May 4, 2016 • 3:40:47pm

I don’t know how true this is or how far spread it is but it’s funny.

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darthstar  May 4, 2016 • 3:42:25pm

Imagine a weeks long solar eclipse.

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Skip Intro  May 4, 2016 • 3:43:52pm

San Andreas fault ‘locked, loaded and ready to roll’ with big earthquake, expert says

This is great news. Now I don’t have to worry about the damn drought any more.

latimes.com

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The Vicious Babushka  May 4, 2016 • 3:44:37pm
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InfidelOfFreedom  May 4, 2016 • 3:45:15pm

re: #20 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Party before Country.
Wheeee!

And they have the nerve to call themselves “patriots.”

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 3:46:11pm

re: #26 The Vicious Babushka

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I wouldn’t be surprised to see him considered for Trump’s running mate. He’s an Evangelical who likes Trump and i think Huckabee’s daughter joined the campaign too.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2016 • 3:47:02pm

Just an FYI guys, apparently purity tests are still in because Happy’s history professor anecdote rubbed someone the wrong way.

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Skip Intro  May 4, 2016 • 3:47:32pm

I thought we’d have to wait until the convention to see everybody jumping on the Trump bandwagon. Now it appears it will be at capacity by next week.

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wrenchwench  May 4, 2016 • 3:48:03pm

re: #29 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Just an FYI guys, apparently purity tests are still in because Happy’s history professor anecdote rubbed someone the wrong way.

Stir it!

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 3:48:16pm

re: #23 Tigger2

I don’t know how true this is or how far spread it is but it’s funny.

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A couple Republicans I know are pretty disgusted. I don’t blame them but I also want to ask them point how Cruz or Kasich really are any less nasty especially Cruz. Frankly, their party deserves Trump. They’re free to quit and I commend them if they do but they’re lying to themselves about Trump being the problem. The problem is and always has been the GOP itself and it has been for a long time now.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2016 • 3:48:31pm

re: #31 wrenchwench

Stir it!

Pointing and laughing isn’t quite the same thing, is it?

/kicks dirt around

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calochortus  May 4, 2016 • 3:49:19pm

re: #25 Skip Intro

San Andreas fault ‘locked, loaded and ready to roll’ with big earthquake, expert says

This is great news. Now I don’t have to worry about the damn drought any more.

latimes.com

Of course, up here in the S F Bay Area there’s a bit more worry about the Hayward fault, though the San Andreas is always a popular choice.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 3:49:37pm

re: #29 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Just an FYI guys, apparently purity tests are still in because Happy’s history professor anecdote rubbed someone the wrong way.

Jesus, it was just a point that human beings aren’t black and white features. That professor of mine still criticized Carnegie heavily for Homestead but he did note that the guy did a lot to establish libraries. Goddamn I hate people sometimes.

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wrenchwench  May 4, 2016 • 3:49:44pm

re: #33 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Pointing and laughing isn’t quite the same thing, is it?

/kicks dirt around

It depends on the reaction to your pointing and laughing.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 4, 2016 • 3:49:52pm

re: #25 Skip Intro

San Andreas fault ‘locked, loaded and ready to roll’ with big earthquake, expert says

This is great news. Now I don’t have to worry about the damn drought any more.

latimes.com

30 years ago, we were told the likelihood of a 7.0 or greater event in the Bay Area was nearly 100% during the following 30 years.

It hasn’t happened yet, and no, Loma Prieta doesn’t count.

Denial is how we live here. Every so often, we get spooked and buy some canned food, or a new water barrel, or bolt a bookcase to the wall. Otherwise? We don’t think about it.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2016 • 3:50:24pm

re: #36 wrenchwench

It depends on the reaction to your pointing and laughing.

I did think it was fair to be sure Happy saw the comments. >.>

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SoundGuy 2016  May 4, 2016 • 3:50:40pm

re: #31 wrenchwench

Stir it!

LOCKED AND LOADED.

(With my little Word Gun)

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makeitstop  May 4, 2016 • 3:50:47pm

re: #22 darthstar

BTW, where’s DF in all of this? I hope he doesn’t turn into a Green Party supporter. He’s far too sensitive to survive in that environment.

Working on his justifications as we speak, probably.

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Tigger2  May 4, 2016 • 3:51:01pm

The Never Trump people?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 4, 2016 • 3:51:10pm

Federal judge opens the door to Clinton deposition in email case

A federal judge on Wednesday opened the door to interviewing Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton as part of a review into her use of a private email server while secretary of State.

Judge Emmet Sullivan of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia laid out the ground rules for interviewing multiple State Department officials about the emails, with an eye toward finishing the depositions in the weeks before the party nominating conventions.

Clinton herself may be forced to answer questions under oath, Sullivan said, though she is not yet being forced to take that step.
“Based on information learned during discovery, the deposition of Mrs. Clinton may be necessary,” Sullivan said in an order on Wednesday. [READ THE ORDER BELOW] Discovery is the formal name for the evidence-gathering process, which includes depositions.

“If plaintiff believes Mrs. Clinton’s testimony is required, it will request permission from the Court at the appropriate time.”

The order, which came in the course of a lawsuit from conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch, leaves open the possibility that Clinton will be forced to answer detailed questions on the eve of her formal selection as the Democratic presidential nominee about her creation of the server.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2016 • 3:51:22pm

re: #37 Blind Frog Belly White

30 years ago, we were told the likelihood of a 7.0 or greater event in the Bay Area was nearly 100% during the following 30 years.

It hasn’t happened yet, and no, Loma Prieta doesn’t count.

Denial is how we live here. Every so often, we get spooked and buy some canned food, or a new water barrel, or bolt a bookcase to the wall. Otherwise? We don’t think about it.

I’ve skipped bolting the bookshelves to the wall but we take the water supply seriously.

I sort of figure the house survived Loma Prieta so chances of it all going to hell are small.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 4, 2016 • 3:51:43pm

re: #24 darthstar

Imagine a weeks long solar eclipse.

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Imagine tidal forces ~22,000 times what they are now….

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Testy Toad T  May 4, 2016 • 3:52:22pm

re: #44 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Imagine tidal forces ~22,000 times what they are now….

I’m too busy imagining a radiation environment that can only be described as “profound”.

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SoundGuy 2016  May 4, 2016 • 3:52:35pm

re: #42 Eric The Fruit Bat

‘opens door to deposition’ = JAIL! SHE’S GOING TO THE POKEY! She should give all her SuperDelegates to Bernie.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 3:52:35pm

re: #38 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I did think it was fair to be sure Happy saw the comments. >.>

I did now, thanks. That honestly kind of pisses me off. And I have to say as much as I hate how 19th century tycoons treated their workers, he’s out of fucking bounds for likening them to Hitler and Saddam.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  May 4, 2016 • 3:53:23pm

re: #45 Testy Toad T

I’m too busy imagining a radiation environment that can only be described as “profound”.

Or gravity.
Don’t think Earth would fare too well.
/Silver lining!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2016 • 3:54:07pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

I did now, thanks. That honestly kind of pisses me off. And I have to say as much as I hate how 19th century tycoons treated their workers, he’s out of fucking bounds for likening them to Hitler and Saddam.

No true Democrat!

//

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wrenchwench  May 4, 2016 • 3:54:40pm

re: #43 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’ve skipped bolting the bookshelves to the wall but we take the water supply seriously.

I sort of figure the house survived Loma Prieta so chances of it all going to hell are small.

Here’s the only book you need about that.

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Skip Intro  May 4, 2016 • 3:55:45pm

re: #42 Eric The Fruit Bat

Supposedly Trump is going to be in court during the convention over his Trump University scam.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2016 • 3:56:07pm

re: #50 wrenchwench

Here’s the only book you need about that.

mr. klys has “no earthquakes” on the list of preferences for the next place we live.

It may get compromised on, because Seattle and Vancouver, BC, are both candidates to be considered. But it’s at least there.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 4, 2016 • 3:56:35pm

re: #50 wrenchwench

Here’s the only book you need about that.

The REAL problem is that LA is getting closer to us!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2016 • 3:57:10pm

re: #53 Blind Frog Belly White

The REAL problem is that LA is getting closer to us!

/shudder

KEEP IT AWAY.

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calochortus  May 4, 2016 • 3:57:13pm

re: #43 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’ve skipped bolting the bookshelves to the wall but we take the water supply seriously.

I sort of figure the house survived Loma Prieta so chances of it all going to hell are small.

That’s the thing, at a certain point, you make your preparations and there is nothing more to be done.

I have bolted most tall pieces of furniture to the wall (current exception: bedroom bookshelf which I have to keep moving to vacuum because of moths in wool carpet. Grrr. Wool carpet is apparently no longer mothproofed.) We know where our water will come from. We have food just because we have a pantry, with food. We have camping stoves and fuel. The house made it through Loma Prieta just fine and has been further reinforced. Now we just get on with our lives.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 3:57:30pm

re: #49 klys (maker of Silmarils)

No true Democrat!

//

I mean for fuck sake, a couple libraries. And remember we’re talking about an era that had far from universal literacy too. Thanks for pointing that out to me. I really resent having my liberalism questioned because I view human beings as complex figures.
en.wikipedia.org

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Single-handed sailor  May 4, 2016 • 3:57:35pm

re: #24 darthstar

Imagine high tide!

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wrenchwench  May 4, 2016 • 3:57:48pm

re: #41 Tigger2

The Never Trump people?

[Big spike in Google searches for Gary Johnson.]

Keep looking. There’s no ‘there’ there.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 4, 2016 • 3:58:25pm

re: #52 klys (maker of Silmarils)

mr. klys has “no earthquakes” on the list of preferences for the next place we live.

It may get compromised on, because Seattle and Vancouver, BC, are both candidates to be considered. But it’s at least there.

Everywhere has something.

People who live in Tornado Alley shiver at the idea of living in earthquake country, but at least if an earthquake here levels your town, you don’t have to worry about it happening again a month later, and then the year after that, and the year after that….

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calochortus  May 4, 2016 • 3:59:32pm

re: #50 wrenchwench

Here’s the only book you need about that.

Ha! I read that decades ago. I may still have it around.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2016 • 4:00:11pm

re: #55 calochortus

That’s the thing, at a certain point, you make your preparations and there is nothing more to be done.

I have bolted most tall pieces of furniture to the wall (current exception: bedroom bookshelf which I have to keep moving to vacuum because of moths in wool carpet. Grrr. Wool carpet is apparently no longer mothproofed.) We know where our water will come from. We have food just because we have a pantry, with food. We have camping stoves and fuel. The house made it through Loma Prieta just fine and has been further reinforced. Now we just get on with our lives.

The trailer makes an excellent emergency shelter, as long as we can get it out of the garage. The pantry is stocked. The water bottles will get us through 3 days minimum, including the pets, and are small enough that we can haul to refill. (I figure they’d have water trucks in by that point.)

The rest of it …is what it is. Wanting to get out is more because earthquake insurance is expensive as fuck and no guarantee we’re going to get anything back from it if we did need it. I’m less worried about it than he is.

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SoundGuy 2016  May 4, 2016 • 4:00:53pm

Trumpenfuhrer’s VP Pick Bingo:

I’ll put $5 on Rick Scott and Christie. As nuts as Trump is I don’t think he’s stupid enough to pick Wingnut Spice.

But I’d not be surprised. All sensibility and reason is gone, nothing will surprise me any more.

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calochortus  May 4, 2016 • 4:01:30pm

re: #52 klys (maker of Silmarils)

mr. klys has “no earthquakes” on the list of preferences for the next place we live.

It may get compromised on, because Seattle and Vancouver, BC, are both candidates to be considered. But it’s at least there.

You might want to skip Tacoma unless you would enjoy a lahar.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:01:33pm

re: #62 SoundGuy 2016

Trumpenfuhrer’s VP Pick Bingo:

I’ll put $5 on Rick Scott and Christie. As nuts as Trump is I don’t think he’s stupid enough to pick Wingnut Spice.

But I’d not be surprised. All sensibility and reason is gone, nothing will surprise me any more.

I’ll throw Maine’s LaPage into your pile of governors.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 4, 2016 • 4:01:55pm

re: #45 Testy Toad T

I’m too busy imagining a radiation environment that can only be described as “profound”.

Median-lethal dose ~20 seconds at Io’s orbit, IIRC—and by coincidence….

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 4, 2016 • 4:03:28pm

re: #51 Skip Intro

Supposedly Trump is going to be in court during the convention over his Trump University scam.

So what happens if both candidates are in jail?//

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2016 • 4:03:47pm

re: #63 calochortus

You might want to skip Tacoma unless you would enjoy a lahar.

I like the idea of coastal WA but tsunamis aren’t really my thing, so it’d need to be a decent size cliff, but then we need to be far enough back that we’re not worried about rockslides or the cliff falling in. Meanwhile, mountains are nice until you start evaluating the possibilities of landslides and/or creek flooding (if you’re lucky enough to be by a creek) and then there’s the consideration of defensible space and how likely are large wildfires that would render efforts at defensible space minimal.

Really, it’s all about picking the poison intelligently and then designing as best as possible to minimize the chances of dying to it.

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Archangelus  May 4, 2016 • 4:04:18pm

re: #62 SoundGuy 2016

Trumpenfuhrer’s VP Pick Bingo:

I’ll put $5 on Rick Scott and Christie. As nuts as Trump is I don’t think he’s stupid enough to pick Wingnut Spice.

But I’d not be surprised. All sensibility and reason is gone, nothing will surprise me any more.

I’d put money on Little Jersey Trump (Christie) and Wingnut Spice - equally likely IMHO…

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EPR-radar  May 4, 2016 • 4:04:20pm

re: #65 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Median-lethal dose ~20 seconds at Io’s orbit, IIRC—and by coincidence….

Tidal forces from Jupiter wouldn’t be enough to shred the Earth to form a ring system, but it would jack up volcanism to Io-like levels.

It’s a good thing that Jupiter is very far away.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:04:31pm

re: #66 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

So what happens if both candidates are in jail?//

Bernie Cruz!

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:05:28pm

Christie is my gut feeling though. I just think the way Christie happily embraced Trump something’s up. If it’s not that, Trump has something on him or he’s promised him something once in office like AG or USSC.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 4, 2016 • 4:05:37pm

re: #4 jaunte

I’ll just leave this here:

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SoundGuy 2016  May 4, 2016 • 4:05:47pm

Like, Wingnut Spice as VP is so totally LULZ, but so totally like NFW OMFG.

Playing with fire.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 4, 2016 • 4:06:51pm

I’m going to repeat my prediction of Trump VP picks:

Donald Trump
Donald Trump, Jr.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:07:06pm

Klys, thanks for standing up for me downstairs. Some people man.

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EPR-radar  May 4, 2016 • 4:07:11pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

Christie is my gut feeling though. I just think the way Christie happily embraced Trump something’s up. If it’s not that, Trump has something on him or he’s promised him something once in office like AG or USSC.

It’s hard to see what Christie brings to the table as a VP pick.

Then again, the GOP primary hasn’t made sense so far, so why should it start doing so now?

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wrenchwench  May 4, 2016 • 4:07:16pm

re: #72 GlutenFreeJesus

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So that’s what’s better than a dumpster fire.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:07:21pm

re: #74 The Vicious Babushka

I’m going to repeat my prediction of Trump VP picks:

Donald Trump
Donald Trump, Jr.

Ivanka! for the women’s vote of course.

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Skip Intro  May 4, 2016 • 4:07:55pm

re: #66 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

So what happens if both candidates are in jail?//

Automatic third term for Obama, I think.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:08:06pm

re: #76 EPR-radar

It’s hard to see what Christie brings to the table as a VP pick.

Then again, the GOP primary hasn’t made sense so far, so why should it start doing so now?

it doesn’t make sense but I’d be shocked if Trump chose a woman.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2016 • 4:08:10pm

Seeing reports that the Fort McMurray airport may be being evacuated by firefighters, but that’s unconfirmed. Still, you have to think they’re considering it.

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darthstar  May 4, 2016 • 4:08:11pm

re: #25 Skip Intro

San Andreas fault ‘locked, loaded and ready to roll’ with big earthquake, expert says

This is great news. Now I don’t have to worry about the damn drought any more.

latimes.com

I saw the movie. The Rock will save us. And as I look out over the San Francisco Bay from my office window, I still find it difficult to believe there will be standing water four floors above me for hours after the Tsunami.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 4, 2016 • 4:08:23pm

re: #78 HappyWarrior

Ivanka! for the women’s vote of course.

Ivanka is 33, not old enough to run for VP

Marla Maples, Mrs. Trump #2

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nines09  May 4, 2016 • 4:08:23pm

re: #24 darthstar

Imagine a weeks long solar eclipse.

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Imagine the earth getting pulled to bits by the gravitational field.

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majii  May 4, 2016 • 4:08:26pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior
Whenever I read/hear of some republican expressing disgust at what his/her party has become, I always wonder where they were and what they were doing when the train left the tracks after January 2009. They were very quiet and were afraid to speak out and rebuke those who were driving the Crazy Train. If I sit around, see something wrong going on and don’t open my mouth, I am a hypocrite if I then say that I don’t know what happened. These “moderate republicans” should have been aligning themselves with like-minded individuals and making their voices heard above the din that is Fox News, RW radio, and RW blogs, but they didn’t. It’s too late for them to thrash around now and try to find someone to blame for their current predicament. They should look in the first mirror they pass to find the answer as to whom to blame for the rise of Trump. Those who have fed them a constant diet of fantasy thinking are also searching for someone to blame, and it hasn’t surprised me that it’s always someone who is not a member of their party. Trump is a self-inflicted wound that was caused by republican politicians, pundits, blog owners, and radio entertainers who told their listeners/viewers whatever they wanted to hear and fostered racism, misogyny, Islamophobia, homophobia, racism, an extreme sense of entitlement, bigotry, fear/warmongering, and every other bad trait known to mankind within the right-wing bubble. Trump is also a manifestation of the GOP/TP tendency to look at politics as a type of political game, seek strength in weakness, place party over citizens and the nation, and the cowardice of those in the party who knew the party was headed down the wrong path but never opened their mouths to speak against the likes of Cruz, Rios, Sessions, McConnell, etc.

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Skip Intro  May 4, 2016 • 4:08:51pm

re: #67 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Then, of course, there are volcanoes.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 4, 2016 • 4:08:59pm

re: #67 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I like the idea of coastal WA but tsunamis aren’t really my thing, so it’d need to be a decent size cliff, but then we need to be far enough back that we’re not worried about rockslides or the cliff falling in. Meanwhile, mountains are nice until you start evaluating the possibilities of landslides and/or creek flooding (if you’re lucky enough to be by a creek) and then there’s the consideration of defensible space and how likely are large wildfires that would render efforts at defensible space minimal.

Really, it’s all about picking the poison intelligently and then designing as best as possible to minimize the chances of dying to it.

Remember the brackish water that tastes like rusty nails….

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wrenchwench  May 4, 2016 • 4:09:30pm

re: #78 HappyWarrior

Ivanka! for the women’s vote of course.

I think Susana Martinez is ready. She’s balking at enforcing her own Equal Pay For Women Act.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  May 4, 2016 • 4:09:32pm

re: #82 darthstar

I saw the movie. The Rock will save us. And as I look out over the San Francisco Bay from my office window, I still find it difficult to believe there will be standing water four floors above me for hours after the Tsunami.

Take these floaties.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2016 • 4:09:53pm

re: #86 Skip Intro

Then, of course, there are volcanoes.

Right, but when Yellowstone goes we’re all fucked no matter what so I worry less about that one.

;)

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:09:54pm

re: #83 The Vicious Babushka

Ivanka is 33, not old enough to run for VP

Marla Maples, Mrs. Trump #2

Ah ha then Marla it shall be since Melania is from the land of Yugos and their cars are awwwwwwwwful.

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Timothy Watson  May 4, 2016 • 4:10:20pm

re: #83 The Vicious Babushka

Ivanka is 33, not old enough to run for VP

Marla Maples, Mrs. Trump #2

She’s 34, will be 35 in October.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 4, 2016 • 4:10:32pm

re: #77 wrenchwench

Shitloads better.

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calochortus  May 4, 2016 • 4:10:44pm

re: #67 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I like the idea of coastal WA but tsunamis aren’t really my thing, so it’d need to be a decent size cliff, but then we need to be far enough back that we’re not worried about rockslides or the cliff falling in. Meanwhile, mountains are nice until you start evaluating the possibilities of landslides and/or creek flooding (if you’re lucky enough to be by a creek) and then there’s the consideration of defensible space and how likely are large wildfires that would render efforts at defensible space minimal.

Really, it’s all about picking the poison intelligently and then designing as best as possible to minimize the chances of dying to it.

The curse of being educated and observant. It rules out so many lines of action.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:10:47pm

re: #88 wrenchwench

I think Susana Martinez is ready. She’s balking at enforcing her own Equal Pay For Women Act.

That’s a possibility. They’re going to want to starve off the “wrong idea” that they’re racists and sexists so why not a Latina woman.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:11:02pm

re: #92 Timothy Watson

She’s 34, will be 35 in October.

Doesn’t change the math though.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 4, 2016 • 4:11:10pm

re: #35 HappyWarrior

We had a Carnegie Library in Colorado Springs.

Meanwhile the Kochs are trying to close libraries.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 4, 2016 • 4:11:24pm

re: #76 EPR-radar

It’s hard to see what Christie brings to the table as a VP pick.

Then again, the GOP primary hasn’t made sense so far, so why should it start doing so now?

He’s got a couple of legal challenges coming his way in the same time frame. Put the whole field in jail and see how it sorts out!/

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2016 • 4:11:29pm

re: #94 calochortus

The curse of being educated and observant. It rules out so many lines of action.

Oh, I forgot the avalanches too!

That assumes snow, but I’d like snow.

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Skip Intro  May 4, 2016 • 4:11:50pm

re: #76 EPR-radar

Whoever it is will have to be totally subservient to Trump on all things, and never, never take the spotlight off of him.

I can see why he picked Ben Carson to lead the search team. He needs to find someone just like him, without the pyramids.

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darthstar  May 4, 2016 • 4:12:22pm

Oh, dear…people in the press are finding this whole primary process tiresome…TIRESOME…fuck the remaining millions of potential voters. Can’t we just move on to the finals?

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darthstar  May 4, 2016 • 4:13:08pm
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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:13:16pm

re: #97 Ziggy_TARDIS

We had a Carnegie Library in Colorado Springs.

Meanwhile the Kochs are trying to close libraries.

The Kochs are such assholes.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 4, 2016 • 4:13:47pm

re: #52 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The US is so hilariously disaster-prone, you have to pick which poison you want to live with.

You are either with, or with a combination of, Hurricanes, Tornadoes, Earthquakes, Volcanoes, Tsunamis, and Ice Storms.

Choose which one you feel the most comfortable with, and live accordingly.

For me, it’s Hurricanes and Tsunamis. You get lead time for those. Hence, the East Coast.

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Lidane  May 4, 2016 • 4:14:24pm

LOLWUT:

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2016 • 4:14:25pm

re: #104 Ziggy_TARDIS

The US is so hilariously disaster-prone, you have to pick which poison you want to live with.

You are either with, or with a combination of, Hurricanes, Tornadoes, Earthquakes, Volcanoes, Tsunamis, and Ice Storms.

Choose which one you feel the most comfortable with, and live accordingly.

For me, it’s Hurricanes and Tsunamis. You get lead time for those. Hence, the East Coast.

The East Coast is its own disaster zone. No thank you. I’m not moving back there.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:14:42pm

re: #101 darthstar

Oh, dear…people in the press are finding this whole primary process tiresome…TIRESOME…fuck the remaining millions of potential voters. Can’t we just move on to the finals?

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I could say the same to the Bernie voters who insisted that the voters in the Southern primaries didn’t matter because in their words those states are going Republican anyhow so who cares about how they vote. I don’t think Bernie should drop out FWIW but I do think he should be focusing more on Trump than Clinton as it’s more apparent that he’s not going to be the nominee.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 4, 2016 • 4:14:44pm

re: #102 darthstar

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Testy Toad T  May 4, 2016 • 4:15:14pm

re: #101 darthstar

Love of country? Refusal to give in to corporate demands? Desire to help the working class have a better life?

None of the things you have said are obviously served by having a man in the race who is for all intents and purposes eliminated from the nomination race.

Maybe if he were actually, like, campaigning on some sort of inspirational message, rather than having his idiot surrogates babble about FBI investigations, you might have a point.

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Skip Intro  May 4, 2016 • 4:15:24pm

re: #82 darthstar

I saw the movie. The Rock will save us. And as I look out over the San Francisco Bay from my office window, I still find it difficult to believe there will be standing water four floors above me for hours after the Tsunami.

I’d be worrying about the quake releasing Rodan If I were you. At the very least the new Bay Bridge will collapse, and then what will you do? Cross the bay at San Mateo?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 4, 2016 • 4:15:25pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

I actually made a mistake there.

The Carnegie Library is still open in Colorado Springs.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 4, 2016 • 4:15:44pm

My brother and I are engaging a bunch of “Article V Convention” advocates on FB. These guys are so gullible. They really think it’s about Freedumb and Liburtee, rather than about empowering groups like ALEC to rewrite the rules for the benefit of their corporate clients.

These people are so dumb. They want SO BADLY to believe that their proposed Convention will ONLY do what THEY want. Of course, what they want is to enshrine the current white supremacist power structure so that they stay on top even as they slide into ‘just another group’ status.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:15:48pm

re: #111 Ziggy_TARDIS

I actually made a mistake there.

The Carnegie Library is still open in Colorado Springs.

All good.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2016 • 4:15:49pm

re: #81 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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calochortus  May 4, 2016 • 4:15:50pm

re: #99 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Oh, I forgot the avalanches too!

That assumes snow, but I’d like snow.

Meh. I rather like living where if the power goes out neither I nor the pipes freeze.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2016 • 4:16:33pm

re: #115 calochortus

Meh. I rather like living where if the power goes out neither I nor the pipes freeze.

I like seasons beyond “dry” and “slightly less dry.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 4, 2016 • 4:17:31pm

re: #69 EPR-radar

Tidal forces from Jupiter wouldn’t be enough to shred the Earth to form a ring system, but it would jack up volcanism to Io-like levels.

It’s a good thing that Jupiter is very far away.

Not to mention, Jupiter would not be orbiting Earth. We’d be orbiting it.

Well, not ‘we’, really, since we’d all be dead.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  May 4, 2016 • 4:17:44pm

re: #116 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I like seasons beyond “dry” and “slightly less dry.”

One tsunami coming up!

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Lidane  May 4, 2016 • 4:18:11pm

re: #95 HappyWarrior

That’s a possibility. They’re going to want to starve off the “wrong idea” that they’re racists and sexists so why not a Latina woman.

Only one problem - Martinez is on record blasting Trump on his rhetoric about Mexicans and she criticized his border wall stupidity:

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:18:24pm

re: #105 Lidane

LOLWUT:

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Yeah she only ran for President, got vetted for VP by Obama’s people, and then had the Senate vote on her for SoS but the country has totally vetted the egotistical multi-millionaire who clearly doesn’t know policy from his fat asshole.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 4, 2016 • 4:18:27pm

re: #114 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Looks like it is time to abandon the airport. That does not look good.

re: #106 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I love the East Coast!!

The moment I got off the PATH station at World Trade Center 2 years ago, I fell in love with the city. My friend in DC says the East Coast should be my home.

I love NYC!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2016 • 4:18:29pm

re: #118 Not a Sparkly Vampire

One tsunami coming up!

We did consider flood insurance in case of dam failure from an earthquake, but decided the cost/value ratio was really not tilted in our favor.

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Skip Intro  May 4, 2016 • 4:18:31pm

re: #90 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Right, but when Yellowstone goes we’re all fucked no matter what so I worry less about that one.

;)

I lived in Oregon when St. Helen’s blew. A thing like that can ruin your whole day. Then there’s the damn ash fall. That stuff gets into everything.

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KGxvi  May 4, 2016 • 4:18:38pm

re: #52 klys (maker of Silmarils)

mr. klys has “no earthquakes” on the list of preferences for the next place we live.

It may get compromised on, because Seattle and Vancouver, BC, are both candidates to be considered. But it’s at least there.

I’ve lived in Southern California my entire life, earthquakes really aren’t that bad. You might have one every couple of generations that’s crazy bad (Northridge was bad in the early 90s and before that Long Beach in the 30s - both of which gave us better building codes), but mostly they pass in less than a minute and you straighten out the book case and go about your day.

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wrenchwench  May 4, 2016 • 4:18:38pm

re: #116 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I like seasons beyond “dry” and “slightly less dry.”

You have more reasons not to move here than anyone I know.

By the way, windy season is underway. Soon, the humidity will be in the single digits.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:18:49pm

re: #119 Lidane

Only one problem - Martinez is on record blasting Trump on his rhetoric about Mexicans and she criticized his border wall stupidity:

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That’s true.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 4, 2016 • 4:19:10pm

re: #116 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I forgot Floods and Wildfires too.

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nines09  May 4, 2016 • 4:19:33pm

re: #105 Lidane

Where’s her ammosexual bullet necklace?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2016 • 4:19:42pm

re: #124 KGxvi

I’ve lived in Southern California my entire life, earthquakes really aren’t that bad. You might have one every couple of generations that’s crazy bad (Northridge was bad in the early 90s and before that Long Beach in the 30s - both of which gave us better building codes), but mostly they pass in less than a minute and you straighten out the book case and go about your day.

To be fair, mr. klys did almost three years in Japan. It’s not that we mind them, it’s that he’d rather we not be property owners during the big one here.

re: #125 wrenchwench

You have more reasons not to move here than anyone I know.

By the way, windy season is underway. Soon, the humidity will be in the single digits.

You at least get thunderstorms.

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Skip Intro  May 4, 2016 • 4:19:59pm

re: #104 Ziggy_TARDIS

The US is so hilariously disaster-prone, you have to pick which poison you want to live with.

You are either with, or with a combination of, Hurricanes, Tornadoes, Earthquakes, Volcanoes, Tsunamis, and Ice Storms.

Choose which one you feel the most comfortable with, and live accordingly.

For me, it’s Hurricanes and Tsunamis. You get lead time for those. Hence, the East Coast.

I’ll take nuclear power plants, earthquakes, and drought for a $1000 Alex.

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wrenchwench  May 4, 2016 • 4:20:04pm

re: #119 Lidane

Only one problem - Martinez is on record blasting Trump on his rhetoric about Mexicans and she criticized his border wall stupidity:

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She hates him. He would hate her, if he would get close enough to know her.

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b_sharp  May 4, 2016 • 4:20:04pm

re: #114 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Fort McMurray (called Fort McMoney around here) is oil country.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:20:13pm

re: #121 Ziggy_TARDIS

Looks like it is time to abandon the airport. That does not look good.

I love the East Coast!!

The moment I got off the PATH station at World Trade Center 2 years ago, I fell in love with the city. My friend in DC says the East Coast should be my home.

I love NYC!

You’d like the D.C area. A lot of Muslims here. One reason why the Islamaphobia bullshit has never worked with me is I’ve literally had Muslim friends and acquaintances from the time I started school.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  May 4, 2016 • 4:20:54pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

You’d like the D.C area. A lot of Muslims here. One reason why the Islamaphobia bullshit has never worked with me is I’ve literally had Muslim friends and acquaintances from the time I started school.

Same. Very diverse in NoVa.

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calochortus  May 4, 2016 • 4:21:26pm

re: #123 Skip Intro

I lived in Oregon when St. Helen’s blew. A thing like that can ruin your whole day. Then there’s the damn ash fall. That stuff gets into everything.

We lived in the Denver area then and had a visible layer of ash on our car.

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b_sharp  May 4, 2016 • 4:21:27pm

re: #123 Skip Intro

I lived in Oregon when St. Helen’s blew. A thing like that can ruin your whole day. Then there’s the damn ash fall. That stuff gets into everything.

When that happened we had an ash layer on our cars. I live in Saskatchewan.

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KGxvi  May 4, 2016 • 4:21:32pm

re: #119 Lidane

Only one problem - Martinez is on record blasting Trump on his rhetoric about Mexicans and she criticized his border wall stupidity:

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Another problem - anyone who wants to run for president in any of the next three cycles will not want to be Trump’s running mate. Everyone can see the polls (and you know the internal polls have to be even worse), they know you don’t come back from being running mate on a ticket that loses by 15%.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 4, 2016 • 4:22:06pm

re: #116 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I like seasons beyond “dry” and “slightly less dry.”

Oh, come one! We’ve got LOTS of seasons! We have Wet, Green, Fire, Fog, and Hot!

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:22:27pm

re: #134 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Same. Very diverse in NoVa.

The REAL Virginia.

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calochortus  May 4, 2016 • 4:22:48pm

re: #122 klys (maker of Silmarils)

We did consider flood insurance in case of dam failure from an earthquake, but decided the cost/value ratio was really not tilted in our favor.

We have quake insurance but not flood. We live on the side of a hill at 500’ of elevation. If we flood, the lack of insurance will be the least of our problems.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2016 • 4:22:48pm

re: #139 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, come one! We’ve got LOTS of seasons! We have Wet, Green, Fire, Fog, and Hot!

Fog doesn’t show up in the South Bay, and Wet has been MIA over the majority of the past few years, which means Green has skipped out of town too.

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b_sharp  May 4, 2016 • 4:23:02pm

re: #125 wrenchwench

You have more reasons not to move here than anyone I know.

By the way, windy season is underway. Soon, the humidity will be in the single digits.

Southern Sask has already been declared a fire hazard area.

That doesn’t happen this early in the year.

Really.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2016 • 4:23:46pm

re: #141 calochortus

We have quake insurance but not flood. We live on the side of a hill at 500’ of elevation. If we flood, the lack of insurance will be the least of our problems.

Yeah, the only reason we looked is because we are in the drainage path of one of the local reservoirs, if the dam were to go as the result of an earthquake.

I made sure I know which direction to go for high ground based on the inundation maps and then we’ll deal with it from there.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 4, 2016 • 4:23:48pm

re: #104 Ziggy_TARDIS

The US is so hilariously disaster-prone, you have to pick which poison you want to live with.

You are either with, or with a combination of, Hurricanes, Tornadoes, Earthquakes, Volcanoes, Tsunamis, and Ice Storms.

Choose which one you feel the most comfortable with, and live accordingly.

For me, it’s Hurricanes and Tsunamis. You get lead time for those. Hence, the East Coast.

Ah, but once a big earthquake happens, it’s generally pretty quiet for a fairly long time - depending on whose which fault it was.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 4, 2016 • 4:23:53pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

NYC is the same.

Though, DC is attractive for the fact that it not quite on the sea.

NYC got racked by Sandy, and they have yet to come up with a plan to better protect the city.

If Storm Surge or a Tsunami reaches DC, something truly terrible happened. Possibly Civilization Altering or Civilization Ending.

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darthstar  May 4, 2016 • 4:23:59pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

I could say the same to the Bernie voters who insisted that the voters in the Southern primaries didn’t matter because in their words those states are going Republican anyhow so who cares about how they vote. I don’t think Bernie should drop out FWIW but I do think he should be focusing more on Trump than Clinton as it’s more apparent that he’s not going to be the nominee.

If he stops campaigning to win, then the energy drains out of the primary like a leaky balloon. Like it or not, Hillary needs him to stay in until the end now. He brings attention to the Democratic party. Trump will actually have less press coverage because he doesn’t have to fight anyone for his nomination.

Maybe Americans don’t have the attention spans to survive a 15 month process starting with August debates the year before.

Now, Trump’s the nominee for the GOP, Hillary still has four weeks of ignoring Bernie Sanders before she can truly focus on Trump, because who really has time for that shit when there’s an election in November!!??! and by the time the conventions roll around, “Rapists & Murderers” and “Mexico will pay for the Wall” and “Ban all Muslims” will have been used in anti-Trump ads so many times most Americans will be numb to these things.

We gotta keep this thing hot or people will get sucked into baseball and nobody will notice either candidate until October (thank you MLB!)

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calochortus  May 4, 2016 • 4:24:16pm

re: #139 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, come one! We’ve got LOTS of seasons! We have Wet, Green, Fire, Fog, and Hot!

And as beautiful as the lush green foliage of summer-in-the-east is, the humidity that goes with it is awful.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:24:16pm

re: #137 KGxvi

Another problem - anyone who wants to run for president in any of the next three cycles will not want to be Trump’s running mate. Everyone can see the polls (and you know the internal polls have to be even worse), they know you don’t come back from being running mate on a ticket that loses by 15%.

Whoever takes it I think will probably be someone who is at the end of their political life cycle hence why I think LaPage. I don’t think he has any serious aspirations and he fits Trump’s angry yelling white man bullshit.

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KGxvi  May 4, 2016 • 4:24:28pm

re: #145 Blind Frog Belly White

Ah, but once a big earthquake happens, it’s generally pretty quiet for a fairly long time - depending on whose which fault it was.

what you did there, it has been seen and it has been noted.

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stpaulbear  May 4, 2016 • 4:24:34pm

re: #55 calochortus

That’s the thing, at a certain point, you make your preparations and there is nothing more to be done.

I have bolted most tall pieces of furniture to the wall (current exception: bedroom bookshelf which I have to keep moving to vacuum because of moths in wool carpet. Grrr. Wool carpet is apparently no longer mothproofed.) We know where our water will come from. We have food just because we have a pantry, with food. We have camping stoves and fuel. The house made it through Loma Prieta just fine and has been further reinforced. Now we just get on with our lives.

If you go to Ikea’s website, even the sofas have a warning that you should bolt them to the wall to prevent a tipping hazard. You can’t be too safe.

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Skip Intro  May 4, 2016 • 4:24:49pm

re: #135 calochortus

I had a couple of inches of ash in my rain gutters. It was a real bitch getting that crap out before the rains turned it into liquid concrete.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:25:47pm

re: #147 darthstar

If he stops campaigning to win, then the energy drains out of the primary like a leaky balloon. Like it or not, Hillary needs him to stay in until the end now. He brings attention to the Democratic party. Trump will actually have less press coverage because he doesn’t have to fight anyone for his nomination.

Maybe Americans don’t have the attention spans to survive a 15 month process starting with August debates the year before.

Now, Trump’s the nominee for the GOP, Hillary still has four weeks of ignoring Bernie Sanders before she can truly focus on Trump, because who really has time for that shit when there’s an election in November!!??! and by the time the conventions roll around, “Rapists & Murderers” and “Mexico will pay for the Wall” and “Ban all Muslims” will have been used in anti-Trump ads so many times most Americans will be numb to these things.

We gotta keep this thing hot or people will get sucked into baseball and nobody will notice either candidate until October (thank you MLB!)

I didn’t say stop campaigning to win. I said direct more energy of Trump. Maybe not have his wife on the cable news praising Trump’s views on trade for example. I’m just saying. He doesn’t have to leave the race but I would like to see more attacks on Trump now that he’s you know the one we’re running against here.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 4, 2016 • 4:26:08pm

re: #148 calochortus

And as beautiful as the lush green foliage of summer-in-the-east is, the humidity that goes with it is awful.

Oh, god, yes. Horrible. It barely cools off at night. Here, it can be over 100 during the day, and drop into the 60s before dawn. Where I grew up, if it hit 100 during the day, you’re looking at a low in the 80s.

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calochortus  May 4, 2016 • 4:26:17pm

re: #142 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Fog doesn’t show up in the South Bay, and Wet has been MIA over the majority of the past few years, which means Green has skipped out of town too.

Really? We got a bit above average this winter and the hills have been green. They’re starting to show a beige-y haze now and won’t be green much longer, but it’s been a decent year.

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Testy Toad T  May 4, 2016 • 4:26:22pm

re: #147 darthstar

Like it or not, Hillary needs him to stay in until the end now. He brings attention to the Democratic party.

I see we have moved onto Bargaining.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:26:37pm

re: #146 Ziggy_TARDIS

NYC is the same.

Though, DC is attractive for the fact that it not quite on the sea.

NYC got racked by Sandy, and they have yet to come up with a plan to better protect the city.

If Storm Surge or a Tsunami reaches DC, something truly terrible happened. Possibly Civilization Altering or Civilization Ending.

Yeah we’re about a 3-3 1/2 hour drive to the ocean. The one thing I don’t like about living here funnily enough. There’s not much in the ways of natural disasters here. We did have a very rare earthquake a few years back though. To make things heh very clear, the thing I don’t like is being that far away from the beach not that absence of natural disasters.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2016 • 4:26:46pm

re: #155 calochortus

Really? We got a bit above average this winter and the hills have been green. They’re starting to show a beige-y haze now and won’t be green much longer, but it’s been a decent year.

That’s where I said the majority. This year has been the exception of the past 4.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  May 4, 2016 • 4:27:20pm

re: #146 Ziggy_TARDIS

NYC is the same.

Though, DC is attractive for the fact that it not quite on the sea.

NYC got racked by Sandy, and they have yet to come up with a plan to better protect the city.

If Storm Surge or a Tsunami reaches DC, something truly terrible happened. Possibly Civilization Altering or Civilization Ending.

If that were to happen, there’s a nice set of mountains nearby to the west.
;)

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:28:32pm

re: #159 Not a Sparkly Vampire

If that were to happen, there’s a nice set of mountains nearby to the west.
;)

My home is in the Blue Ridge mountains
My home is in the Blue Ridge mountains
My home is in the Blue Ridge mountains
And I ain’t comin’ back here anymore

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b_sharp  May 4, 2016 • 4:29:35pm

re: #138 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Holy fuck seems appropriate.

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calochortus  May 4, 2016 • 4:29:50pm

re: #151 stpaulbear

If you go to Ikea’s website, even the sofas have a warning that you should bolt them to the wall to prevent a tipping hazard. You can’t be too safe.

I’m not sure the sofas specifically need to be bolted to the wall. They have the same warning on the rugs.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  May 4, 2016 • 4:30:35pm

re: #162 calochortus

I’m not sure the sofas specifically need to be bolted to the wall. They have the same warning on the rugs.

*Bolt rug to wall*
Got it.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2016 • 4:30:48pm

re: #161 b_sharp

Holy fuck seems appropriate.

For those who want to follow it on their own:

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 4, 2016 • 4:30:49pm

re: #159 Not a Sparkly Vampire

I was thinking more on the level of that I would likely have much bigger problems, but there’s that too. :)

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b_sharp  May 4, 2016 • 4:31:20pm

re: #164 klys (maker of Silmarils)

For those who want to follow it on their own:

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It’s all over the news up here.

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calochortus  May 4, 2016 • 4:31:20pm

re: #154 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, god, yes. Horrible. It barely cools off at night. Here, it can be over 100 during the day, and drop into the 60s before dawn. Where I grew up, if it hit 100 during the day, you’re looking at a low in the 80s.

We lived in Lancaster PA for a few years. Beautiful. Horribly sticky in the summer-of which we spent 2 without A/C.

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calochortus  May 4, 2016 • 4:32:00pm

re: #158 klys (maker of Silmarils)

That’s where I said the majority. This year has been the exception of the past 4.

I’ll read more carefully next time. :)

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:32:40pm

re: #165 Ziggy_TARDIS

I was thinking more on the level of that I would likely have much bigger problems, but there’s that too. :)

What is good though is you got the ocean and mountains pretty close to each other. You have a diverse range of people. Plus, i don’t think D.C is as intimidating as New York and Metro is much easier to learn than New York’s Subway system. I do like it here though it’s a little too political, one reason why I like to trek up to New York when I can.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 4, 2016 • 4:33:18pm

re: #111 Ziggy_TARDIS

I actually made a mistake there.

The Carnegie Library is still open in Colorado Springs.

I used to live literally one block from the Fremont Branch of the Seattle Public Library, which was a Carnegie foundation. It was a really fascinating old building. Really tiny library, though.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2016 • 4:33:20pm

re: #166 b_sharp

It’s all over the news up here.

When I was up helping my sister this weekend, I got to see some of what burned. It was very sobering to see how close it had gotten to where she’s based.

Really hoping that they can get it under control sooner rather than later but having watched this sort of thing here last year, I know how hard that can be.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 4, 2016 • 4:33:45pm

re: #166 b_sharp

I think the Airport is in super big trouble.

With all of the fuel there, that could make this turn even worse.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2016 • 4:34:00pm

re: #169 HappyWarrior

What is good though is you got the ocean and mountains pretty close to each other. You have a diverse range of people. Plus, i don’t think D.C is as intimidating as New York and Metro is much easier to learn than New York’s Subway system. I do like it here though it’s a little too political, one reason why I like to trek up to New York when I can.

The West would like to quibble on calling those hills mountains.

/

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 4, 2016 • 4:34:07pm

re: #163 Not a Sparkly Vampire

*Bolt rug to wall*
Got it.

I snorked.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  May 4, 2016 • 4:34:36pm

re: #169 HappyWarrior

What is good though is you got the ocean and mountains pretty close to each other. You have a diverse range of people. Plus, i don’t think D.C is as intimidating as New York and Metro is much easier to learn than New York’s Subway system. I do like it here though it’s a little too political, one reason why I like to trek up to New York when I can.

Glad to see the new Metro GM actually dealing with the problems that plague them.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 4, 2016 • 4:34:51pm

re: #169 HappyWarrior

I was able to figure out the NYC Subways relatively quick.

It’s easier for me than driving. My depth perception isn’t great, so I already don’t like driving.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:35:38pm

re: #170 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I used to live literally one block from the Fremont Branch of the Seattle Public Library, which was a Carnegie foundation. It was a really fascinating old building. Really tiny library, though.

I was told he only opened a couple libraries though heh. I always loved going to the library as a kid. There was this massive baseball book I used to get called Total Baseball. I met one of the editors, John Thorn promoting a book when I was in college and told him I used to drive my parents crazy when I got that book but I would look at it like a bible. I loved looking at the stats of all the guys. All that info is digitized now much to my library card and my back’s relief. Thorn got a kick out of the fact that I was a lifelong then suffering Orioles fan to which he said “Well you’re not a Pirates fan at least” to which I responded “They’re my second team!”

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:36:21pm

re: #173 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The West would like to quibble on calling those hills mountains.

/

Hahaha that is true and you do know that I have seen with the Sierras and Rockies in my travels west.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:36:59pm

re: #176 Ziggy_TARDIS

I was able to figure out the NYC Subways relatively quick.

It’s easier for me than driving. My depth perception isn’t great, so I already don’t like driving.

I’ve found New York’s pretty easy but man there are so many lines. We’ve got I think six lines here in the DC Metro area.

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Brian J.  May 4, 2016 • 4:39:09pm

re: #147 darthstar

If he stops campaigning to win, then the energy drains out of the primary like a leaky balloon. Like it or not, Hillary needs him to stay in until the end now. He brings attention to the Democratic party.

Today, the junior Senator from Vermont isn’t even mentioned in Politico’s afternoon or evening reports. They’re entirely focused on the move to the general election campaign.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 4, 2016 • 4:41:29pm

re: #179 HappyWarrior

I think in pictures and maps, so it is somewhat easy for me. :)

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:42:40pm

re: #181 Ziggy_TARDIS

I think in pictures and maps, so it is somewhat easy for me. :)

Ah ha, that explains it then. I’d probably get used to if I lived there. I’ve never been there longer than a few days though.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2016 • 4:43:26pm

re: #164 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Webcam may have died. Here was the last image I had from it:

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Big Beautiful Door  May 4, 2016 • 4:43:30pm

re: #180 Brian J.

Today, the junior Senator from Vermont isn’t even mentioned in Politico’s afternoon or evening reports. They’re entirely focused on the move to the general election campaign.

For those worried about Bernie voters, they prefer Clinton to Trump 86-10.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:44:57pm

re: #184 Big Beautiful Door

For those worried about Bernie voters, they prefer Clinton to Trump 86-10.

I’m not surprised. They’re not assholes.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 4, 2016 • 4:45:14pm

re: #173 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The West would like to quibble on calling those hills mountains.

/

If it ain’t a stratovolcano, it ain’t no mountain!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 4, 2016 • 4:45:59pm

re: #183 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I can’t find the Tweet now, but there was one that said exactly that, and that there were 35 mph (!!!!) winds in the area.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2016 • 4:46:36pm

re: #187 Ziggy_TARDIS

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b_sharp  May 4, 2016 • 4:46:38pm

re: #172 Ziggy_TARDIS

I think the Airport is in super big trouble.

With all of the fuel there, that could make this turn even worse.

FMM isn’t a small place, and evacuating it isn’t easy. Seems the area is just a mass of confusion.

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KGxvi  May 4, 2016 • 4:47:05pm

re: #184 Big Beautiful Door

For those worried about Bernie voters, they prefer Clinton to Trump 86-10.

I’m really curious what’s going to happen with turnout this year. The last three cycles we’ve had general election turnout over 120m. With negatives for both nominees being fairly high, I wonder if that number drops - 2000 we had closer to 100m turnout. My gut tells me that if turnout is at least close to where it’s been (say 115m+) then Clinton should win in a landslide. But if its below that, then who the fuck knows what happens.

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b_sharp  May 4, 2016 • 4:48:05pm

re: #187 Ziggy_TARDIS

I can’t find the Tweet now, but there was one that said exactly that, and that there were 35 mph (!!!!) winds in the area.

We don’t do mph up here.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:49:07pm

re: #190 KGxvi

I’m really curious what’s going to happen with turnout this year. The last three cycles we’ve had general election turnout over 120m. With negatives for both nominees being fairly high, I wonder if that number drops - 2000 we had closer to 100m turnout. My gut tells me that if turnout is at least close to where it’s been (say 115m+) then Clinton should win in a landslide. But if its below that, then who the fuck knows what happens.

Yeah turnout’s going to matter.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 4, 2016 • 4:49:14pm

re: #191 b_sharp

Only saying what I remember from the tweet.

Let me see if I can find it.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 4, 2016 • 4:50:39pm

re: #190 KGxvi

I’m really curious what’s going to happen with turnout this year. The last three cycles we’ve had general election turnout over 120m. With negatives for both nominees being fairly high, I wonder if that number drops - 2000 we had closer to 100m turnout. My gut tells me that if turnout is at least close to where it’s been (say 115m+) then Clinton should win in a landslide. But if its below that, then who the fuck knows what happens.

My worry is, if voter suppression doesn’t work quite as well as advertised, and the Latino vote were to flip Texas, I think there could be some serious retaliation after the election.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:50:52pm

I just hope that by November people will be so tired of Trump that maybe even if they don’t like Clinton, they’ll be like “Do we really want to give this fuckwad the keys?” I understand Clinton’s weaknesses. It’s why even though I have criticized Sanders here, I am glad that someone did emerge as a challenger and she didn’t have a quick nomination.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 4, 2016 • 4:51:05pm

re: #190 KGxvi

I’m really curious what’s going to happen with turnout this year. The last three cycles we’ve had general election turnout over 120m. With negatives for both nominees being fairly high, I wonder if that number drops - 2000 we had closer to 100m turnout. My gut tells me that if turnout is at least close to where it’s been (say 115m+) then Clinton should win in a landslide. But if its below that, then who the fuck knows what happens.

I think that with a candidate as polarizing and controversial as Trump, turnout goes way up, especially among Hispanics.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:51:26pm

re: #194 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

My worry is, if voter suppression doesn’t work quite as well as advertised, and the Latino vote were to flip Texas, I think there could be some serious retaliation after the election.

It’s going to be ugly either way unfortunately.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:52:11pm

re: #196 Big Beautiful Door

I think that with a candidate as polarizing and controversial as Trump, turnout goes way up, especially among Hispanics.

I obviously can’t speak for the Hispanic community not being Hispanic but from what I’ve seen from my SiL’s family and friends, Trump is someone they despise big time.

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b_sharp  May 4, 2016 • 4:52:21pm

re: #193 Ziggy_TARDIS

Only saying what I remember from the tweet.

Let me see if I can find it.

No worries. I can convert. ~56Kph

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 4:53:15pm

Apathy may be a problem among male white liberals but I don’t see it being so with minority and women voters who have a better idea of what’s at stake ehre. Plus, I think a lot of women will be excited to vote for a woman. I really think that can’t be ignored.

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calochortus  May 4, 2016 • 4:53:27pm

re: #199 b_sharp

No worries. I can convert. ~56Kph

Sounds even more impressive that way.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  May 4, 2016 • 4:54:13pm

re: #191 b_sharp

We don’t do mph up here.

Heathens.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 4, 2016 • 4:55:09pm

No news about the Airport, but the last picture looked bad.

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CleverToad  May 4, 2016 • 4:55:45pm

re: #170 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I used to live literally one block from the Fremont Branch of the Seattle Public Library, which was a Carnegie foundation. It was a really fascinating old building. Really tiny library, though.

My neighborhood library growing up was the Park Hill Branch in Denver. It was one of nine Carnegie libraries in Denver, and is one of the five which are still operating. It was also a pretty small building to start with, but they did a major expansion in the early sixties. Neat architecture.

Carnegie was a stinker. The libraries he funded were and are a major social contribution. Yes, it’s complicated and doesn’t fit well into a binary good/bad equation. See also Bill Gates, carrying on the tradition for this generation.

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EPR-radar  May 4, 2016 • 4:57:39pm

re: #200 HappyWarrior

Apathy may be a problem among male white liberals but I don’t see it being so with minority and women voters who have a better idea of what’s at stake ehre. Plus, I think a lot of women will be excited to vote for a woman. I really think that can’t be ignored.

I’ve said this before, but any liberal who fails to vote for Clinton in a Clinton v. Trump general election is no liberal at all.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 4, 2016 • 4:58:00pm
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gocart mozart  May 4, 2016 • 4:58:26pm

I Googled some and found this:

And that rumor first appeared in the early hours of Saturday, March 1, 2008, on the conservative web forum, freerepublic.com. In a thread entitled “FR CONTEST: Pin the Middle Name on the Obama,” where posters were offering various ‘funny’ middle names for Barack Obama in lieu of “Hussein,” a poster named “FARS” posted this non-sequitur:

I was told today that Obama swore in on a Koran for his Senate seat. I do not believe he did. Can someone clarify this for me? I am under the impression only a Congressman has so far sworn in on a Koran.

Also that Obama’s mother gave birth to him overseas and then immediately flew into Hawaii and registered his birth as having taken place in Hawaii.

Again, any clarifications on this? Defintely disqualifies him for Prez. There must be some trace of an airticket. While small babies are not charged air fare they do have a ticket issued for them.

Long time ago but there may be some residual information somewhere. Good ammo (if available and true) BEST USED AFTER he becomes PREZ (if that occurs) and it’s too late for Dems - except accept the VP. barackryphal.blogspot.com

Also this obamaconspiracy.org
Bookmark those links to rebut Trump lies.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2016 • 4:58:54pm

re: #203 Ziggy_TARDIS

Webcam is still working for someone, this photo is 20 minutes after the one I posted above:

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 4, 2016 • 5:01:01pm

re: #208 klys (maker of Silmarils)

That’s getting incredibly close.

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EPR-radar  May 4, 2016 • 5:01:30pm

re: #204 CleverToad

My neighborhood library growing up was the Park Hill Branch in Denver. It was one of nine Carnegie libraries in Denver, and is one of the five which are still operating. It was also a pretty small building to start with, but they did a major expansion in the early sixties. Neat architecture.

Carnegie was a stinker. The libraries he funded were and are a major social contribution. Yes, it’s complicated and doesn’t fit well into a binary good/bad equation. See also Bill Gates, carrying on the tradition for this generation.

Carnegie’s good deeds don’t make it as if he never did anything evil. His evil deeds don’t make it as if he never did anything good. It’s surprising how difficult this concept seems to be, whether it is applied to Carnegie or to anyone else.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 4, 2016 • 5:03:00pm

Oh, bollocks.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2016 • 5:06:39pm

re: #211 Ziggy_TARDIS

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 4, 2016 • 5:06:44pm

re: #204 CleverToad

My neighborhood library growing up was the Park Hill Branch in Denver. It was one of nine Carnegie libraries in Denver, and is one of the five which are still operating. It was also a pretty small building to start with, but they did a major expansion in the early sixties. Neat architecture.

Carnegie was a stinker. The libraries he funded were and are a major social contribution. Yes, it’s complicated and doesn’t fit well into a binary good/bad equation. See also Bill Gates, carrying on the tradition for this generation.

Exactly. I despise Bill Gates in general, but less now that he’s really doing some good in the world. What a bipolar personality.

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Timothy Watson  May 4, 2016 • 5:07:26pm

Watching this week’s Gotham and trying to not ROFL.

Bruce: Excuse me, Captain. I find your flippant attitude to be inappropriate.
Barnes: I find you to be kind of a pain in the ass.

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calochortus  May 4, 2016 • 5:11:05pm

Off to start dinner.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 5:11:32pm

re: #210 EPR-radar

Carnegie’s good deeds don’t make it as if he never did anything evil. His evil deeds don’t make it as if he never did anything good. It’s surprising how difficult this concept seems to be, whether it is applied to Carnegie or to anyone else.

That was my entire point downstairs.

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Charles Johnson  May 4, 2016 • 5:12:07pm

I’m not Jimmy Kimmel’s biggest fan, but that video about climate change is just awesome. This is what we need, people like this putting this information out there to counteract the constant stream of bullshit coming out of the entire right wing media and far too much of the mainstream media.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2016 • 5:12:22pm

re: #212 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’ve seen tweets go by (and the main Tweet stream is incredibly fast so grabbing things is tricky) indicating that the airport and critical infrastructure are receiving priority, because otherwise rebuilding is going to be even harder.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 5:14:21pm

re: #218 Charles Johnson

I’m not Jimmy Kimmel’s biggest fan, but that video about climate change is just awesome. This is what we need, people like this putting this information out there to counteract the constant stream of bullshit coming out of the entire right wing media and far too much of the mainstream media.

I remember watching him and Adam Carolla a lot as a kid. It’s kind of funny how they’ve both gone different places ideologically. I like Jimmy. Not my favorite- I’m a Conan fan but I like Jimmy Kimmel. The I’m Fucking Matt Damon/Ben Affleck him and Sarah Silverman did will always make me smile.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 5:15:50pm

Carolla by the way was either a huge Cruz guy (odd since he’s very anti religion) or a huge Trump guy. One of the two. Either way, he’s a real right wing prick right now.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 4, 2016 • 5:16:05pm

This reminds me of the videos I saw when Waldo Canyon got into Colorado Springs.

The response to. Every hamlet, town, and city along the front Range from Trinidad to Denver responded.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  May 4, 2016 • 5:19:26pm

25%-35% of the American voting public needs therapy.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 4, 2016 • 5:19:53pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 4, 2016 • 5:20:24pm

Looks like the First Nations in Canada are responding.

Unfortunately, the fire is not just producing it’s own weather, but now its own ignition sources.

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The French Rat  May 4, 2016 • 5:22:05pm

Once again, Trump voters would not give a shit about this.

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Franklin  May 4, 2016 • 5:33:04pm

re: #214 Charles Johnson

If I was fucking with you, I’d tell you there was a meteor coming, and try to sell you a helmet.

Great!

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Belafon  May 4, 2016 • 5:33:15pm

re: #226 The French Rat

Once again, Trump voters would not give a shit about this.

It’s probably not meant for Trump supporters.

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Charles Johnson  May 4, 2016 • 5:33:58pm

re: #226 The French Rat

Once again, Trump voters would not give a shit about this.

I don’t think this ad is targeted at Trump voters. Let’s face it, nothing is going to get through their indoctrination. They simply don’t give a shit about anything most normal people care about.

This ad is targeted at undecideds, and at general Democratic voters to get them motivated and make sure they show up at the polls. And maybe at the VERY few Republicans who are so turned off by Trump they might end up voting for Clinton. (I think that’s going to be a very small percentage of Republicans, though.)

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 4, 2016 • 5:35:58pm
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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 5:36:38pm

re: #229 Charles Johnson

I don’t think this ad is targeted at Trump voters. Let’s face it, nothing is going to get through their indoctrination. They simply don’t give a shit about anything most normal people care about.

This ad is targeted at undecideds, and at general Democratic voters to get them motivated and make sure they show up at the polls. And maybe at the VERY few Republicans who are so turned off by Trump they might end up voting for Clinton. (I think that’s going to be a very small percentage of Republicans, though.)

That was my impression as well.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2016 • 5:37:50pm

Besides, this is just an early blow. We’re not going to see the full extent of the attacks against Trump until the fall. There’s a lot of shit on this guy and man it would be fun to be a Clinton opps researcher.

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PhillyPretzel  May 4, 2016 • 5:39:31pm

re: #232 HappyWarrior

I am sure that HRC has a lot on that Trump person. And I agree it would be a lot of fun.

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freetoken  May 4, 2016 • 5:39:48pm

Faux science in AiG’s faux Journal:

It’s garbage.

But it is the latest iteration in the sales job that is being pushed by online outlets to the sheep.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  May 4, 2016 • 5:41:30pm

re: #146 Ziggy_TARDIS

NYC is the same.

Though, DC is attractive for the fact that it not quite on the sea.

NYC got racked by Sandy, and they have yet to come up with a plan to better protect the city.

If Storm Surge or a Tsunami reaches DC, something truly terrible happened. Possibly Civilization Altering or Civilization Ending.

A tsunami from the collapse of the southwest flank of La Palma could hit DC.

La Palma Mega Tsunami.mov

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Charles Johnson  May 4, 2016 • 5:41:59pm
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Belafon  May 4, 2016 • 5:42:00pm

re: #234 freetoken

Faux science in AiG’s faux Journal:

[Embedded content]

It’s garbage.

But it is the latest iteration in the sales job that is being pushed by online outlets to the sheep.

“Can you put large words together in something that resembles a sentence to the untrained eye? If so, send us your best work and we’ll publish it.”

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Belafon  May 4, 2016 • 5:43:32pm

re: #236 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

And if that’s what it takes to keep Republicans in power, then they’ll march in step behind it.

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freetoken  May 4, 2016 • 5:43:50pm

re: #237 Belafon

There’s wrong.

Then there’s not even wrong.

Then there is a con game.

What we see above is the latter.

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EPR-radar  May 4, 2016 • 5:45:17pm

re: #229 Charles Johnson

I don’t think this ad is targeted at Trump voters. Let’s face it, nothing is going to get through their indoctrination. They simply don’t give a shit about anything most normal people care about.

Trump is a clown. He is completely unqualified to be POTUS (or to serve in any elected office having real responsibility) because of his numerous character defects. The idea of Trump with the nuclear launch codes is a sick joke. The only reason he passes as a functioning human being is his wealth and the deference it generates.

However, this is all relatively unimportant.

What’s important here is that the Republican party has degenerated to the point where this unmitigated jackass was able to win the nomination. Trumpists don’t care that their candidate is a clown etc. All that matters to Trump’s voters is that he says things they want to believe about hating on others. The Republican party, Fox News, hate radio etc. have cultivated the malice of the Trumpists with decades of RWNJ propaganda.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 4, 2016 • 5:45:21pm

re: #235 Aunty Entity Dragon

Actually found out that is Psuedoscience!

Not your fault, Discovery didn’t do enough research on it.

In 2002 the Tsunami Society (Pararas-Carayannis, 2002[7]), published a statement stating “… We would like to halt the scaremongering from these unfounded reports…” The major points raised in this report include:

The claim that half of Cumbre Vieja dropped 4 m (13 ft) during the 1949 eruption is erroneous, and contradicted by physical evidence.

No evidence was sought or shown that there is a fault line separating a “block” of La Palma from the other half.

Physical evidence shows a 4 km (2 mi) long line in the rock, but the models assumed a 25 km (16 mi) line, for which no physical evidence was given. Further, there is no evidence shown that the 4 km (2 mi) long line extends beyond the surface.

There has never been an Atlantic megatsunami in recorded history.

A survey carried out by Moss et al.; (1999)[8] reported that the western flank is stable with no indication of aseismic creep being recorded.

In 2001 Carracedo et al.;[4] stated that they consider the 1949 crack to be a shallow and inactive surface expression. They do suggest that the crack should be monitored, but consider the possibility that the edifice is unstable as being almost non-existent.

Murty et al.; (2005)[9] claim that the morphology of the Atlantic Ocean prevents the generation and propagation of trans-oceanic tsunamis.

In 2006 professor Jan Nieuwenhuis of Delft University of Technology simulated several volcanic eruptions and calculated it would take another 10,000 years for the flanks to become sufficiently high and unstable to cause a massive collapse.,

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The Vicious Babushka  May 4, 2016 • 5:45:41pm

re: #236 Charles Johnson

1. Reagan wasn’t a political newbie, he was Governor of of the state of California.
2. Reagan at least knew how to ACT Presidential.
3. Economic destruction aka “Reaganomics” aka “trickle down economics” that began during Reagan’s term continues to wreak havoc even to this day.

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b_sharp  May 4, 2016 • 5:45:59pm

re: #236 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

I was one of those in fear of Reagan & nuclear war. I tried to convince my wife & brother to head for the mountains to build a hobbit house.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 4, 2016 • 5:47:06pm

re: #235 Aunty Entity Dragon

A more realistic threat is a Puerto Rican Megathrust Quake, which can happen. Puerto Rico sits on a Subduction Zone between the Much Smaller Caribbean Plate, and the North American Plate.

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EPR-radar  May 4, 2016 • 5:47:43pm

re: #234 freetoken

One of my pet theories is that young Earth creationism is where Republicans learned to deny facts and reality on a truly grand scale.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 4, 2016 • 5:49:52pm

Ezra Levant is apparently trying to use the YMM Fire as a Tax Dodge.

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Charles Johnson  May 4, 2016 • 5:51:21pm

Instagram

Inspired today by this wonderful artist and human, @lauramvula. Go find the video for her new (FOOONKY) single, Phenomenal woman. #realpoplives

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b_sharp  May 4, 2016 • 5:54:44pm

re: #246 Ziggy_TARDIS

Ezra Levant is apparently trying to use the YMM Fire as a Tax Dodge.

[Embedded content]

Ezra Levant is a dishonest, racist piece of shit.

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EPR-radar  May 4, 2016 • 5:55:18pm

re: #234 freetoken

I took the time to briefly skim the first few paragraphs of this garbage. It appears to be an exercise in seeing whether it is possible to make up a consistent set of assumptions about mitochondrial mutation rates that would be consistent with the YEC time frame.

If so, this is totally useless as science. Massaging the models and data as needed to arrive at a predetermined conclusion (i.e., YEC time frame works) is simply not science.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 4, 2016 • 5:55:40pm

re: #248 b_sharp

Yeah, his Wiki page sort of told me that.

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The French Rat  May 4, 2016 • 5:55:51pm

re: #229 Charles Johnson

I did not say that it was intended for Trump supporters.

I just said they won’t care about the attacks.

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freetoken  May 4, 2016 • 5:55:53pm

Highly packed lies take more work to unpack than often worth the effort (c.f. Drumpfskind supporters.)

In that article so much is distorted that it is hard to figure out where to start. But get this little tidbit:

In contrast, previous analyses of human mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) differences suggest the existence of a molecular “clock” that measures time consistent with the YEC timescale and at odds with the evolutionary timetable (Jeanson 2013, 2015a, 2015b). Nevertheless, because the mtDNA mutation rate had been measured only in non-African ethnic groups, in my prior studies I made conclusions about the origin of mtDNA differences in only these people groups, leaving the question of African origins unaddressed.

A careful reanalysis of the primary data from my most recent study (Jeanson 2015b) indicates that the mutation rate in non-Africans might be sufficient to explain mtDNA differences across all ethnic groups. Previously, I predicted that a constant rate of mutation over 6000 years would result in 20 to 79 mitochondrial genome-wide nucleotide differences. This prediction captured the average non-African mtDNA difference (38-40 nucleotides) quite well.2

However, after the paper was published, I was made aware that the upper end of this prediction (79 nucleotides) also barely captured the average African DNA difference (~77 nucleotides; average from Ingman et al. 2000). To reach this difference of 79 nucleotides, a constant rate of mutation and a generation time of 15 years had to be assumed. Since a 15 year generation time is at odds with typical practices today in the West, my initial thoughts were to continue to favor the prediction that I made previously—that Africans possess a faster mtDNA mutation rate—rather than favor the hypothesis of a historically very fast, African-specific generation time.

There’s a lot wrong in just those two paragraphs, but it displays a real ignorance on how mitochondria even exist and is passed down.

Totally misunderstood is how phylogenesis works.

And it mischaracterizes the differences that do exist.

Anyway, the author is claiming that the mutation rates can be diddled with to get a young earth.

And why would the mutation rates be magically different?

Why, to get a young earth.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 4, 2016 • 5:57:12pm
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freetoken  May 4, 2016 • 5:59:52pm

re: #245 EPR-radar

One of my pet theories is that young Earth creationism is where Republicans learned to deny facts and reality on a truly grand scale.

Which is what stimulated me to post that here, with Charles’ reference to Kimmel doing a take down of the deniers.

Creationists have spent a century devising techniques to avoid being forced to accept reality.

This skill was then transferred to the climate change denying program.

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EPR-radar  May 4, 2016 • 6:02:14pm

re: #252 freetoken

I think the most important thing to do in public science education is deal with “what is science”.

Counter examples are probably the best way to go. Astrology and creationism would be excellent case studies for this.

Other counter examples can be more sophisticated, like how reading scientific information, understanding it and applying the knowledge on tests isn’t really doing science either (it is being educated on what we already know, rather than confronting the unknown).

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lawhawk  May 4, 2016 • 6:02:51pm
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EPR-radar  May 4, 2016 • 6:04:37pm

re: #254 freetoken

Which is what stimulated me to post that here, with Charles’ reference to Kimmel doing a take down of the deniers.

Creationists have spent a century devising techniques to avoid being forced to accept reality.

This skill was then transferred to the climate change denying program.

I recently saw “Merchants of Doubt”, which is a good documentary and bad for the blood pressure. The most direct links between climate change deniers and earlier scumbags isn’t to the creationists. It is to the tobacco industry.

However, I’m sure that the “successes” of creationism provide spiritual inspiration to all other highly-organized liars.

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freetoken  May 4, 2016 • 6:08:18pm

Creationists just don’t have an answer to the problem posed by their Flood story, where all but at most 3 mitochondrial lines, only 1 Y line, and 5 sets of autosomes (Noah, his wife, and the wives of his three sons) exist to give us everybody alive today. (Because all 5 were from the same local group they really would have been quite similar in DNA, so the above differences are even too generous.)

They just don’t have an answer.

So now they’ve been reduced to outright babbling about mutation rates, not even knowing about what the words they are using really mean.

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freetoken  May 4, 2016 • 6:10:35pm

Also, in case anyone is not aware, ancient DNA has now been sequenced from many bones.

Even if one buys the lie that all those bones were buried in the flood, the differences measured between these very long dead people give no room for any young earth creationists.

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MsJ  May 4, 2016 • 6:14:24pm

re: #147 darthstar

If he stops campaigning to win, then the energy drains out of the primary like a leaky balloon. Like it or not, Hillary needs him to stay in until the end now. He brings attention to the Democratic party. Trump will actually have less press coverage because he doesn’t have to fight anyone for his nomination.

Maybe Americans don’t have the attention spans to survive a 15 month process starting with August debates the year before.

Now, Trump’s the nominee for the GOP, Hillary still has four weeks of ignoring Bernie Sanders before she can truly focus on Trump, because who really has time for that shit when there’s an election in November!!??! and by the time the conventions roll around, “Rapists & Murderers” and “Mexico will pay for the Wall” and “Ban all Muslims” will have been used in anti-Trump ads so many times most Americans will be numb to these things.

We gotta keep this thing hot or people will get sucked into baseball and nobody will notice either candidate until October (thank you MLB!)

I completely disagree. Bernie is giving populist platitudes with zero - and I mean NO - possible path to enactment of anything. And what’s worse, he’s giving hope, by lying, to a boatload of young people which is going to do little but turn them off of the entire process. It’s a tragedy what Bernie is doing.

And Trump is going to continue to get free coverage until the election for every incoherent syllable that comes out of his mouth the media will tsk tsk Hillary while allowing Trump everything (see CNN discussing Hillary and cheating, when she didn’t cheat herself, while making Trump out to be someone extolling virtue.)

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Barefoot Grin  May 4, 2016 • 6:14:37pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

I mean for fuck sake, a couple libraries. And remember we’re talking about an era that had far from universal literacy too. Thanks for pointing that out to me. I really resent having my liberalism questioned because I view human beings as complex figures.
en.wikipedia.org

Nearly every county seat in the midwest where I grew up has a Carnegie Library building. Few are still used for the purpose. They were too small for the growth of the modern public library. But most if not all have been repurposed to support other community needs. And yes, Carnegie was often a ruthless bastard who used Pinkerton agents to suppress union actions.

The larger question, I guess, is should the state be the only source of “philanthropy”? I guess it bugs me a little that the Kochs try to whitewash their name by supporting the arts, hospitals, and PBS, but frankly I don’t see any agency, public or private, as operating without an agenda. As long as there are countervailing forces and I still have a voice with my vote. Do I? We shall see.

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Stanley Sea  May 4, 2016 • 6:22:44pm

re: #260 MsJ

I completely disagree. Bernie is giving populist platitudes with zero - and I mean NO - possible path to enactment of anything. And what’s worse, he’s giving hope, by lying, to a boatload of young people which is going to do little but turn them off of the entire process. It’s a tragedy what Bernie is doing.

And Trump is going to continue to get free coverage until the election for every incoherent syllable that comes out of his mouth the media will tsk tsk Hillary while allowing Trump everything (see CNN discussing Hillary and cheating, when she didn’t cheat herself, while making Trump out to be someone extolling virtue.)

Lester Holt/(edit NBC) is broadcasting the evening news tonight from Trump tower.

new thread anyway

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Aunty Entity Dragon  May 4, 2016 • 6:32:30pm

re: #241 Ziggy_TARDIS

Actually found out that is Psuedoscience!

Not your fault, Discovery didn’t do enough research on it.

A survey carried out by Moss et al.; (1999)[8] reported that the western flank is stable with no indication of aseismic creep being recorded.

In 2001 Carracedo et al.;[4] stated that they consider the 1949 crack to be a shallow and inactive surface expression. They do suggest that the crack should be monitored, but consider the possibility that the edifice is unstable as being almost non-existent.

Murty et al.; (2005)[9] claim that the morphology of the Atlantic Ocean prevents the generation and propagation of trans-oceanic tsunamis.

In 2006 professor Jan Nieuwenhuis of Delft University of Technology simulated several volcanic eruptions and calculated it would take another 10,000 years for the flanks to become sufficiently high and unstable to cause a massive collapse.,

I didn’t think that it would happen any time soon (within the next 10,000 years sounds about right)…but it will happen at some point in time. I haven’t read the paper by Murty et al, but tsunamis by their very nature (a disturbance through the entire water column) tend to propagate across oceanic distances.

The danger in volcanic island collapses will probably be from one in the Pacific we are not even looking at.

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b_sharp  May 4, 2016 • 7:06:36pm

re: #257 EPR-radar

I recently saw “Merchants of Doubt”, which is a good documentary and bad for the blood pressure. The most direct links between climate change deniers and earlier scumbags isn’t to the creationists. It is to the tobacco industry.

However, I’m sure that the “successes” of creationism provide spiritual inspiration to all other highly-organized liars.

Oil industry has their own experience with the tactics, they denied the dangers of lead in gasoline for years and actively tried to destroy the science message.


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