Overnight Acoustic Jam: Tommy Emmanuel, “Chet’s Ramble”

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When Tommy and Chet Atkins wrote an album together they would trade tapes from America to Australia. Some got finished, some did not. Chet wrote a melody and sent to Tommy and a year after Chet’s passing, Tommy finished the song in his honor.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2016 • 10:13:24pm

Okay, I admit, I laughed.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 4, 2016 • 10:14:50pm

I don’t expect Trump to leak anything the CIA tells him. He’s more likely to say “You won’t believe the things they tell me in these briefings. It’s even worse than I thought.”

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William Lewis  May 4, 2016 • 10:18:41pm

re: #2 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I don’t expect Trump to leak anything the CIA tells him. He’s more likely to say “You won’t believe the things they tell me in these briefings. It’s even worse than I thought.”

The bigger problem is his putin loving aides who’ll pass it even faster than Snowflake did while Trump is too incompetent to care.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 4, 2016 • 10:21:10pm

I wonder what he’ll sign before he gets these briefings.

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TK-421  May 4, 2016 • 10:48:27pm
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Kragar  May 4, 2016 • 11:26:05pm
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Kragar  May 4, 2016 • 11:28:39pm
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Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)  May 4, 2016 • 11:44:14pm

re: #2 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I don’t expect Trump to leak anything the CIA tells him. He’s more likely to say “You won’t believe the things they tell me in these briefings. It’s even worse than I thought.”

How about a member of his campaign leaking something and then blaming Hillary for it? I mean, everyone knows she emails classified stuff around willy-nilly, so it must have been her, right?//

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 4, 2016 • 11:53:07pm

re: #2 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I don’t expect Trump to leak anything the CIA tells him. He’s more likely to say “You won’t believe the things they tell me in these briefings. It’s even worse than I thought.”

If they were smart, they’d tell him a bunch of made-up bullshit for his ears only. And when it’s leaked, he’s busted.

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Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)  May 5, 2016 • 12:05:35am

re: #5 Amory Blaine

Automatic upding for the Gits.

X-Ray Spex - Identity

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 12:52:32am

When pressed by NBC News, Lazar, 44, could provide no documentation to back up his claims, nor did he ever release anything online supporting his allegations, as he had frequently done with past hacks. The FBI’s review of the Clinton server logs showed no sign of hacking, according to a source familiar with the case.

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 1:12:32am

RedState editor:

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Kragar  May 5, 2016 • 1:14:05am

re: #12 Nyet

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 1:17:04am

Gullible dick-pics guy is gullible.

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 1:25:18am

re: #14 Nyet

From 2014(!):
nytimes.com

A potpourri of conspiracy theories about the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, the 1997 death of Princess Diana and alleged plans for a nuclear attack in Chicago in 2015, it said: “This world is run by a group of conspirators called the Council of Illuminati, very rich people, noble families, bankers and industrialists from the 19th and 20th century.”

Mr. Badea, the Romanian prosecutor, scoffed at Mr. Lazar’s fixation on so-called Illuminati as a ruse intended to give a political gloss to a peeping-tom hacking addiction. The hacking exploits that led to his 2011 conviction involved “no Illuminati, just famous and beautiful girls,” the prosecutor said.

BernieBros and dick-pic conservatives are now ready to believe any Illuminati crank spouting about the Democratic nominee.

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 1:34:45am
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William Lewis  May 5, 2016 • 2:35:22am

re: #12 Nyet

RedState editor:

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I had a talk with a Republican I know who is upset about Trump but fears Hillary thanks to Fox. I said, even if Everything they claim about her were true - it isn’t but even if it were - she was still the better person and more qualified to be President than Trump. I’ll have to keep working on him but the argument seems to be making headway.

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 2:52:26am

heh

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Ming5000  May 5, 2016 • 2:54:23am

Not going to link, but I doubt this:

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Timothy Watson  May 5, 2016 • 2:55:38am

re: #18 Nyet

heh

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I am sure that most conservatives think that De Gaulle was a communist who was plotting to destroy America.

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 3:00:01am

re: #19 Ming5000

Seems to be true, who cares tho.

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Timothy Watson  May 5, 2016 • 3:01:41am

Can someone explain why Ana Marie Cox is giving Milo free press?
nytimes.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2016 • 3:03:31am

re: #20 Timothy Watson

I am sure that most conservatives think that De Gaulle was a communist who was plotting to destroy America.

He was a cheese-eating surrender monkey because he was French…

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Timothy Watson  May 5, 2016 • 3:16:49am

Conservatism’s greatest fear: That someone who isn’t rich, white, male, and old might be living a happy life.

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 3:21:06am

Meanwhile the left-wing sociopaths at caucus99idiots:

Wed, 05/04/2016 - 6:44pm — Nightprowlkitty
Heh.
Just got an email from Warren, subject line “Help Stop Trump with a Democratic Senate.”

I didn’t read the body of the email, just deleted it, as I did four more emails with similar subject lines from other establishment orgs.

I have my own plans, Liz. And Hill. And all you hard-line Dems and operatives. You got your plans, I got mine. Let’s do some democracy.

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Wed, 05/04/2016 - 7:06pm — BorkromBorkrom’s picture
Can not agree more
That is my sentiments as well. I am not a member of their club. Lets fix our problems, not support the establishment.

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Wed, 05/04/2016 - 10:43pm — pro left
Yep
I got a few,one from Warren, Moveon, and a couple more delete, delete. delete. Trump is not the issue to me at this time.

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 3:25:03am

Behold the unhinged:

Wed, 05/04/2016 - 10:08pm — Shahryar

congrats on being banned!
I could never figure out how to achieve that distinction. I tried, oh how I tried! Maybe I should have spammed my well-loved classic poem, “Nice job, Obama”.

You know…the one that goes:

Nice job, Obama, I call it bait and switch
if I’d-a wanted Clinton, I’d’ve voted for the b——

I only posted it once. That was long ago enough that I only got HR’d but not TO’d or B’d.

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Wed, 05/04/2016 - 10:28pm — Rusty1776
Hi Shahryar!
That is world class poetry! I can’t imagine why those magnificent “progressives” over there took exception to it.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 3:27:04am

re: #26 Nyet

Behold the unhinged:

Armchair revolutionaries.

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 3:29:57am

re: #27 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Armchair revolutionaries.

“We didn’t want to be part of your stupid club anyway! We’re gonna go and create our own club! And it’s gonna be so awesome, you’re gonna beg us to join!”

*4 years later*

“Come on, guys, let us join your club! We just wanna run the joint and make the rules, nothing major!”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 3:33:47am

re: #28 Targetpractice

“We didn’t want to be part of your stupid club anyway! We’re gonna go and create our own club! And it’s gonna be so awesome, you’re gonna beg us to join!”

*4 years later*

“Come on, guys, let us join your club! We just wanna run the joint and make the rules, nothing major!”

Pretty much. They want all the results with none of the effort to make it happen. One man, aged 74, is not going to turn the country around within 4 years by himself. And that’s what they believe can happen.

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 3:37:41am

re: #29 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Pretty much. They want all the results with none of the effort to make it happen. One man, aged 74, is not going to turn the country around within 4 years by himself. And that’s what they believe can happen.

No revolution works from the top down. Putting Bernie in the White House was not going to lead to a magical transformation of America overnight. It’s especially galling from people who now attack the current president for failing to change America overnight, even though he ran largely on the same theme in 2008.

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 3:38:48am

And trutherism goes hand in hand:

Wed, 05/04/2016 - 9:14pm — snoopydawgsnoopydawg’s picture
That was an interesting article about 9/11
It sounds like people are thinking that it may have been an inside job from some of the quotes in there.
Like this one.

[…]

Btw, click on the plane photo and it enlarges. Doesn’t AA fly white and blue planes? The best one in the picture looks grey to me and I’ve read that on other articles too.
Hey, don’t shoot the messenger. Remember Operation Northwoods?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 3:40:34am

re: #31 Nyet

Some people are just wired to believe any damn thing, no matter how far-fetched.

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Decatur Deb  May 5, 2016 • 3:42:15am

Alabama Threepers operating on the Mexican border pick up a Birmingham CBS ‘embed’. This isn’t the Klan, but this is a disturbingly elaborate nursery for a future Klannish outbreak.

wiat.com

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 3:51:54am

I’m seeing more and more Bernie Bros now trying to play the melodrama, “Stop picking on me!” shit to excuse their decision to vote third party or stay home in November. Now it’s that Hillary supporters are so “mean” and “angry” and it’s driving off Bernie supporters when there should be “compassion” and “tolerance” instead. In other words, they still want to act like little children by believing there are no consequences for their actions.

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lockjawcanbefun  May 5, 2016 • 3:53:42am
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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 3:53:55am

re: #34 Targetpractice

Nobody is preventing them from doing anything.
Just as they can’t prevent us from despising them for it and laughing at those IQ- and compassion-challenged nitwits.

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 3:54:50am
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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 3:56:47am

re: #37 Nyet

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Yes, let’s choose the woman who is thrilled to exploit the bile and hatred that is bubbling up from her ideological allies.

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William Lewis  May 5, 2016 • 3:59:52am

re: #34 Targetpractice

I’m seeing more and more Bernie Bros now trying to play the melodrama, “Stop picking on me!” shit to excuse their decision to vote third party or stay home in November. Now it’s that Hillary supporters are so “mean” and “angry” and it’s driving off Bernie supporters when there should be “compassion” and “tolerance” instead. In other words, they still want to act like little children by believing there are no consequences for their actions.

Tell them that Nader thanks them for helping him elect Bush…

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2016 • 4:01:12am

re: #24 Timothy Watson

Conservatism’s greatest fear: That someone who isn’t rich, white, male, and old might be living a happy life.

Because if they are doing so, it is at our collective expense…

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 4:01:47am

re: #39 William Lewis

Those caucus99 idiots I sometimes quote massively came out as Naderites in one of the threads. Some people do not get smarter with age.

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Lani  May 5, 2016 • 4:04:30am

I’m just a quiet lurker.

I did have the pleasure of living in a socialist democracy for several years. The quality of life is better, but you have fewer things - that you don’t need anyway. However, you don’t fear medical bills, unemployment, hunger, quality education, or homelessness. That means a lot. But to change the US for the better will take the slow unraveling of the way this country is structured. We made baby steps with Medicare, medicaid, SNAP, ACA, and look at the freak outs about that. We have a long way to go.

For all of Sanders ranting, I wonder what will become of it. What is the path forward when he doesn’t get his way, which he won’t? I hope he doesn’t damage the (horribly) slow progress we are making.

Will he be marginalized, lose his seat to a real Dem, or ? I support his concepts, but realize that we talking about a major restructuring of our society. And that ain’t happening in 2016.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2016 • 4:09:26am

re: #42 Lani

I’m just a quiet lurker.

I did have the pleasure of living in a socialist democracy for several years. The quality of life is better, but you have fewer things - that you don’t need anyway. However, you don’t fear medical bills, unemployment, hunger, quality education, or homelessness. That means a lot. But to change the US for the better will take the slow unraveling of the way this country is structured…

I hve lived abroad for 25 years now and share your view: I have always said that if we tried to introduce European-style social democracy to the USA, the economy would collapse and there would be rioting in the streets.

And if they tried to introduce American-style free-market liberalism to Europe, there would be rioting in the streets and the economy would collapse.

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 4:09:33am

re: #42 Lani

I’m just a quiet lurker.

I did have the pleasure of living in a socialist democracy for several years. The quality of life is better, but you have fewer things - that you don’t need anyway. However, you don’t fear medical bills, unemployment, hunger, quality education, or homelessness. That means a lot. But to change the US for the better will take the slow unraveling of the way this country is structured. We made baby steps with Medicare, medicaid, SNAP, ACA, and look at the freak outs about that. We have a long way to go.

For all of Sanders ranting, I wonder what will become of it. What is the path forward when he doesn’t get his way, which he won’t? I hope he doesn’t damage the (horribly) slow progress we are making.

Will he be marginalized, lose his seat to a real Dem, or ? I support his concepts, but realize that we talking about a major restructuring of our society. And that ain’t happening in 2016.

What will happens to Sanders? As one tweeter who’s been following his career for years noted, he’ll follow the same script he always does: Makes a lot of noise, gets blowback, and then meekly sits down and goes with the majority. He’ll insist he’s going to a contested convention until he gets his ass paddled in California, then concede and throw his endorsement behind Hillary. He won’t do much to support her or get her elected, but instead slink back to the Senate with his tail between his legs.

As to his supporters, polls have shown that between 60-80% of them will end up supporting the party and its nominee in November, so we’re talking a minority of very vocal assholes. Most of whom are either too young to know better or too old to give a shit. The former will come around, and the latter are aging dinosaurs who have held a grudge since the party gave up the McGoverns and Mondales to support the Clintons and the Obamas.

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Timothy Watson  May 5, 2016 • 4:10:02am

re: #26 Nyet

Behold the unhinged:

Have they started a “Draft Nader” movement yet?

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 4:10:39am

re: #43 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I hve lived abroad for 25 years now and share your view: I have always said that if we tried to introduce European-style social democracy to the USA, the economy would collapse and there would be rioting in the streets.

And if they tried to introduce American-style free-market liberalism to Europe, there would be rioting in the streets and the economy would collapse.

Ayep, systems that work for one country do not necessarily work for others. Take all the “democracies” we created around the world which today are either rife with corruption, have collapsed into anarchy, or metamorphosed into one-party states.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2016 • 4:11:03am

re: #44 Targetpractice

As to his supporters, polls have shown that between 60-80% of them will end up supporting the party and its nominee in November, so we’re talking a minority of very vocal assholes. Most of whom are either too young to know better or too old to give a shit. The former will come around, and the latter are aging dinosaurs who have held a grudge since the party gave up the McGoverns and Mondales to support the Clintons and the Obamas.

But these people get the majority of media attention because, well, they are assholes and very vocal…

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 4:11:29am

re: #45 Timothy Watson

Have they started a “Draft Nader” movement yet?

Nah, many are going with the Nader in a skirt (Stein), others are considering voting for Trump.

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 4:11:34am

re: #47 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

But these people get the majority of media attention because, well, they are assholes and very vocal…

Squeaky wheel, grease, etc.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2016 • 4:12:53am

re: #49 Targetpractice

Squeaky wheel, grease, etc.

media, ratings-driven, etc…

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 4:12:58am
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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 4:25:21am

There really are few things as frustratingly insulting as the suggestion that after months of saying I’d support Sanders if he was the only alternative to a Trump presidency, I should be nice to his supporters even as they say they’re prepared to sit on the sidelines and wait out a Trump presidency if I’m not nice to them.

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 4:33:45am

re: #52 Targetpractice

There really are few things as frustratingly insulting as the suggestion that after months of saying I’d support Sanders if he was the only alternative to a Trump presidency, I should be nice to his supporters even as they say they’re prepared to sit on the sidelines and wait out a Trump presidency if I’m not nice to them.

“I’m making life-changing decisions on such a mindbogglingly superficial basis and I vote! Take that, oligarch!”

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Dr. Matt  May 5, 2016 • 4:34:03am
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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 4:37:23am
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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 4:38:09am

re: #54 Dr. Matt

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Well no, at a contested convention, the decision still remains in the hands of the delegates and superdelegates. And the only way that Bernie might come out on top in that scenario is delegates in states that she won choosing to vote for him and against the will of the voters. But that seems to be the only remaining fantasy left for Bernie Bros: She loses because the delegates went against the voters to support a man who is has consistently trailed not only her, but the opposition party’s frontrunner.

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 4:38:41am
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BlackPearl  May 5, 2016 • 4:38:48am

Testing that private comment thingie…

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 4:40:33am

re: #58 Nyet

Where the leftist crazies push the rightist lies:

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They’re still spreading this manure, but they want us to be nice to them or else they’re taking their ball and going home. Fuck’em.

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Dave In Austin  May 5, 2016 • 4:40:47am
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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 4:40:49am

re: #29 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Pretty much. They want all the results with none of the effort to make it happen. One man, aged 74, is not going to turn the country around within 4 years by himself. And that’s what they believe can happen.

You mean Trump or Sanders? Both men seem to think that they can go it alone. I guess they bought into all that Obama Executive Order stuff.

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Dr. Matt  May 5, 2016 • 4:41:30am

This will send the wingnuts into outrage x 12

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 5, 2016 • 4:42:23am

re: #43 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

You would have to do it gradually, but it could be done.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 4:42:39am

re: #25 Nyet

Meanwhile the left-wing sociopaths at caucus99idiots:

“You got your plans, I got mine. Let’s do some democracy.”

Who exactly are they going to vote for that isn’t stained by party politics?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 5, 2016 • 4:43:45am

re: #56 Nyet

I think it is trying to say something.

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 4:44:21am

re: #60 Targetpractice

They’re still spreading this manure, but they want us to be nice to them or else they’re taking their ball and going home. Fuck’em.

Hillary has run a very clean campaign, but she’s still the bad guy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2016 • 4:46:59am

re: #64 Ziggy_TARDIS

You would have to do it gradually, but it could be done.

there will still be riots, though…

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Dr. Matt  May 5, 2016 • 4:47:03am
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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 4:47:55am

re: #68 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

there will still be riots, though…

There’ll be riots no matter what.

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 4:48:39am

re: #69 Dr. Matt

“I’m not only the Good Samaritan, I’m the best there is, I guarantee it!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2016 • 4:49:05am

re: #70 Nyet

There’ll be riots no matter what.

Especially if a local team wins (or loses) the championship of whatever ballsport is popular in that region/metro area

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 4:49:13am

re: #67 Nyet

Hillary has run a very clean campaign, but she’s still the bad guy.

Sanders has run the sort of slash-and-burn campaign that Clinton’s critics thought she would engage in and its taken him nowhere. She’s run on ideas and proposals, he’s run on how much of a lying bitch he and his supporters thinks she is. The only reason he’s made it this far is because the media has been there to help him, rather than engaging in real journalism by digging into his own record.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2016 • 4:50:44am

re: #67 Nyet

Hillary has run a very clean campaign, but she’s still the bad guy.

Even if all she does is to show unedited footage of Trump saying Trumpish things without comment, she will be accused of playing dirty.

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 4:50:54am

re: #72 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

So let’s ignore riots and do some biznis…

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 4:53:44am
In 1980, Sanders served as an elector for the Socialist Workers Party, which was founded on the principles of Leon Trotsky. According to the New York Times, that party called for abolishing the military budget. It also called for “solidarity” with the revolutionary regimes in Iran, Nicaragua, Grenada, and Cuba; this was in the middle of the Iranian hostage crisis.

~ Michelle Goldberg

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2016 • 4:57:59am

re: #76 Nyet

~ Michelle Goldberg

No way that guy could win a general election in America. We are not that “progressive” yet.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 4:58:25am

re: #62 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

You mean Trump or Sanders? Both men seem to think that they can go it alone. I guess they bought into all that Obama Executive Order stuff.

Both, in fact

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 4:58:47am

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Let’s not confuse progressive and dumb.

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 4:59:18am

yahoo.com

In July 1985, Bernie Sanders traveled to Nicaragua, where he attended an event that one wire report dubbed an “anti-U.S. rally.”

The leftist Sandinista government was celebrating the sixth anniversary of the revolution that saw it take power from an American-backed dictator, Anastasio Somoza. Sanders was in a crowd estimated at a half million people, many of whom were clad in the Sandinistas’ trademark red-and-black colors and chanting “Here, there, everywhere/the Yankee will die.”

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Lani  May 5, 2016 • 5:02:23am

re: #56 Nyet

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Oh ffs. I live on an island that has been targeted by antiscience orgs. We have the longest living population and with highest quality of life. These freaking antiscience peeps have been telling lies about Kauai to fundraise. Nope, no school evacuations, no rise in birth defects, no cancer spikes, no nothing. Anti agro science peeps are the birthers of the left.

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Dr. Matt  May 5, 2016 • 5:04:44am

Rage Furby is so deep

Facebook Post

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Kent Dorfman  May 5, 2016 • 5:06:46am

For those who love statistics:

Love may be blind, but people have their eyes wide open in regard to dating those with bad credit.

A survey by bankrate.com reports that 40 percent of unmarried people said knowing someone’s credit score would affect their interest in dating that person.

Not surprisingly, of those surveyed with household incomes of $75,000 or more, half say they’d like to know their date’s credit score.

And 42 percent of millennials and 47 percent of college grads also believe the first question out of your mouth before going on that initial date should be, “What’s your FICO score?” and not, “What’s your sign?”

Republicans (at 16 percent) say a credit score would have a major impact on whether they would date someone — compared with 13 percent of Democrats and 10 percent of Independents.

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Decatur Deb  May 5, 2016 • 5:11:26am

re: #83 Kent Dorfman

For those who love statistics:

My Future MIL: “Honey, why are you going to marry that penniless Yankee?”
My Future Wife: “I never have to explain the punch line to him.”

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Patricia Kayden  May 5, 2016 • 5:11:57am

re: #37 Nyet

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Can someone tweet to Ms. Stein and explain to her that we have a two party system? We don’t get to choose someone else when there are only two viable candidates who can win. This is not a fairy tale where you get every dang thing you’ve ever wanted. She needs to grow the hell up.

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Dr. Matt  May 5, 2016 • 5:15:40am

From: bipartisanreport.com

A new poll out of delegate-rich California could make that path nearly nonexistent. A Capitol Weekly poll out of the Golden State shows Clinton ahead of Sanders by a margin of 10 points, 49 percent to 39 percent. Sanders can take some solace in the fact that California, like Indiana, has an “open” primary, meaning that voters of any party can participate without having to declare their party allegiance, but a deeper look inside the Capitol Weekly poll shows that may not be enough to provide Sanders with a victory in California.

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Dave In Austin  May 5, 2016 • 5:20:39am

WARNING!!!! EARWORM POSSIBLE!!!

Youtube Video

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weave  May 5, 2016 • 5:24:00am

Will Ted Cruz Learn The Right Lessons?

Is Erick Erickson really that stupid?

Exit polls, opinion polling, and the people themselves are consistently saying they are fed up with not just Washington, but the Republican Party.

….

Ted Cruz should stand defiant and he should take up Jim DeMint’s mantle and actively recruit for the Senate.

So the reason for that anger is because there should be more Cruz’s in the Senate? What kind of logic is that?

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Dr. Matt  May 5, 2016 • 5:24:30am

re: #87 Dave In Austin

That song is going to be in my head all day now….thanks.

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Dave In Austin  May 5, 2016 • 5:26:09am

re: #89 Dr. Matt

That song is going to be in my head all day now….thanks.

I’ll post a warning…..

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Dr. Matt  May 5, 2016 • 5:27:47am

re: #90 Dave In Austin

I’ll post a warning…..

haha

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Bubblehead II  May 5, 2016 • 5:28:11am

re: #87 Dave In Austin

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Interesting. All I see is a blank box, but my reply shows that something is there.

Using Firefox 45.0.2

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Dave In Austin  May 5, 2016 • 5:35:38am

re: #92 Bubblehead II

Refresh

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 5:40:30am

re: #14 Nyet

Gullible dick-pics guy is gullible.

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I don’t think there is much you can do about Clinton’s email problem. There is no way around it, but it was a mistake for her to use her personal equipment to conduct official business for a couple reasons.
First, the defense that Powell and Rice did it is childish. There is no other word for it. Second, there is no way she can guarantee the security of her communication. The argument that government servers get hacked is not an excuse. It has nothing to do with the security of her personal email equipment. Third, it makes her look like she was entitled to special treatment. No DOJ reports will make the issue go away.
You can say it’s BS until the cows come home, but this issue is her own fault.

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Dave In Austin  May 5, 2016 • 5:41:36am

re: #92 Bubblehead II

Refreshed with YT, should be better.

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 5:43:00am

re: #94 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Not sure what your comment had to do with anything I posted.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 5:45:49am

re: #96 Nyet

Looked to me that you posted a link about a guy who claims he hacked Clinton’s email server. That seems to be what made me think of it.

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Decatur Deb  May 5, 2016 • 5:46:12am

Stuck in Birmingham for the next week, with poor connectivity. I’ll be watching y’all.

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Bubblehead II  May 5, 2016 • 5:48:34am

re: #95 Dave In Austin

Refreshed with YT, should be better.

That worked. And yes, it’s going to be stuck in my head all day. :-)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 5:49:10am

re: #82 Dr. Matt

Rage Furby is so deep

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What would the world be like if everyone like Chuck had an L on his forehead?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 5:51:39am

Do you remember when Rage Furby posted this on FB?

He’s been babbling on and on ever since.

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 5:52:25am

re: #94 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I don’t think there is much you can do about Clinton’s email problem. There is no way around it, but it was a mistake for her to use her personal equipment to conduct official business for a couple reasons.
First, the defense that Powell and Rice did it is childish. There is no other word for it. Second, there is no way she can guarantee the security of her communication. The argument that government servers get hacked is not an excuse. It has nothing to do with the security of her personal email equipment. Third, it makes her look like she was entitled to special treatment. No DOJ reports will make the issue go away.
You can say it’s BS until the cows come home, but this issue is her own fault.

Was it a poor decision? Sure, I’m willing to concede that. But beyond that, the suggestions made that her actions were either criminal or imperiled national security are ridiculous. You cannot argue that her emails being classified retroactively and (depending on who you ask) needlessly is bad, but pointing out that the same has happened to her predecessors is “childish.” Nor that she received “special treatment” when the State Department has admitted her actions were totally within the boundaries of existing laws and department regulations at the time she did it.

It’s an issue, yes, but one that we should not be engaged in blowing totally out of proportion.

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Dave In Austin  May 5, 2016 • 5:56:56am

I have finally found the answer to the proverbial question….. And will probably use it at some point.

The Answer
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Dr. Matt  May 5, 2016 • 5:58:40am

re: #101 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Do you remember when Rage Furby posted this on FB?

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He’s been babbling on and on ever since.

Because he’s not getting attention on his shitty webpage. Facebook is his only resort to get any attention.

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lawhawk  May 5, 2016 • 5:59:25am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 5:59:51am

Totally OT, but I finally got video streaming from my laptop to my Android set-top box working.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 6:00:50am

re: #104 Dr. Matt

Because he’s not getting attention on his shitty webpage. Facebook is his only resort to get any attention.

He’s soliciting beta testers for his WeSearchr software, whatever the f that is.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 6:11:53am

re: #102 Targetpractice

I don’t think she did anything evil either, but she left herself wide open like a festering wound. It was a stupid thing to do. No way around that.

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 6:18:41am

re: #108 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I don’t think she did anything evil either, but she left herself wide open like a festering wound. It was a stupid thing to do. No way around that.

Sure there are ways around that. We acknowledge it was a mistake and move on. The more we dwell upon it, the more we suggest that it is worse than a bad decision, the stronger the argument made by the GOP and their media allies that it is an issue that should influence our opinion of her.

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lawhawk  May 5, 2016 • 6:20:50am

I hope they do (as I posted yesterday in response to the Hillary ad using the GOP’s own criticisms of Trump against their nominee). Trump has stated that he’d use nukes against Islamic State.

He’s the guy who thinks that you can just drop nukes willy-nilly and not worry about repercussions.

His military “policy” consists of ignoring the Geneva Conventions and suggests engaging in war crimes. He’d nuke parts of the Middle East imperiling our allies with fallout (hi Israel!)

So yes, it’s quite possible that someone will recut the Hillary ad to include nuke references. Because Trump is that insanely unhinged (and what’s worse, his GOP supporters approve of that batcrap insanity, whether it’s the Islamophobia, or the nonsense about building walls and getting Mexico to pay for it, let alone “bringing jobs back to the US” through trade wars).

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Bubblehead II  May 5, 2016 • 6:22:04am

re: #102 Targetpractice

Was it a poor decision? Sure, I’m willing to concede that. But beyond that, the suggestions made that her actions were either criminal or imperiled national security are ridiculous. You cannot argue that her emails being classified retroactively and (depending on who you ask) needlessly is bad, but pointing out that the same has happened to her predecessors is “childish.” Nor that she received “special treatment” when the State Department has admitted her actions were totally within the boundaries of existing laws and department regulations at the time she did it.

It’s an issue, yes, but one that we should not be engaged in blowing totally out of proportion.

When all the republicans have is a string of nothing burgers that have been proven false time after time and your party has just (un)officially selected a man who is not only an openly racist, bigoted, misogynist as well as a lying braggart and all around POS to be their candidate for POTUS, well you can smell the fear and desperation they are experiencing as they watch their party crumble around them. The only thing missing at this time is the lamentations of their women. But I am sure that will be along shortly.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  May 5, 2016 • 6:22:24am

re: #101 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Do you remember when Rage Furby posted this on FB?

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He’s been babbling on and on ever since.

FB isn’t “Free”?

Or does it charge rent to misanthropes like UpChuck?

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jeffreyw  May 5, 2016 • 6:22:33am

Imgur
Good morning!

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 6:23:00am

I wonder if it would be a good idea for Clinton to engage Sanders now in formulating the Democratic Party platform for the convention. They aren’t far apart and I think it would help take some of the wind out of the BerinieBro sails.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 6:24:10am

re: #111 Bubblehead II

Granted, it is a string of nothingburgers, but my beef with Clinton is that she handed them a freebie.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  May 5, 2016 • 6:24:41am

re: #88 weave

Will Ted Cruz Learn The Right Lessons?

Is Erick Erickson really that stupid?

So the reason for that anger is because there should be more Cruz’s in the Senate? What kind of logic is that?

Take up DeMinted’s “mantle”? Did DeMint die or retire when I wasn’t looking?

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Dr. Matt  May 5, 2016 • 6:25:09am

re: #107 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He’s soliciting beta testers for his WeSearchr software, whatever the f that is.

He’s planning to set up a website to extort rape victims. True story. Our Charles has covered this plot in the past.

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Belafon  May 5, 2016 • 6:25:24am

re: #86 Dr. Matt

From: bipartisanreport.com

Clinton won California in 2008.

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Dave In Austin  May 5, 2016 • 6:25:54am

re: #110 lawhawk

“We’ve got them and they are wonderful!!! What good are they if we don’t use them? They will be Terrific against ISIS and their families. We have to take their families out in a big way, and I have just the thing to do it!!”

////// (Maybe)

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lawhawk  May 5, 2016 • 6:26:05am

re: #113 jeffreyw

Glenn Beck couldn’t be reached for comment. /

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 6:26:59am

re: #115 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Granted, it is a string of nothingburgers, but my beef with Clinton is that she handed them a freebie.

She didn’t “hand them” squat. No more than Bill “handed” the GOP a “freebie” by getting a blowjob.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 6:27:37am

re: #118 Belafon

I expect screwy results from CA ‘cause it’s an open primary and the Republicans are finished. (heh)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 5, 2016 • 6:28:23am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 6:28:45am

re: #117 Dr. Matt

He’s planning to set up a website to extort rape victims. True story. Our Charles has covered this plot in the past.

So, this software will do what? Accept anonymous tips from revenge porners? Rapists trying to evade capture?

Sounds like a walking target for hacking his db server.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 6:30:14am

re: #121 Targetpractice

You can deny it all you want but there was no good reason for her to handle her official email the way she did. That’s why I say she handed them a freebie. The Democrats got a lot of mileage out of the way the Republicans handled their email over the previous eight years so turnaround is fair play. We’re stuck with hearing about email for the next eight years hopefully.

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Belafon  May 5, 2016 • 6:31:02am

Remember that time you did something and then they changed the law later, and now it’s illegal, so you should feel bad? Like back when you installed your copy of Windows on multiple machines?

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Dr. Matt  May 5, 2016 • 6:31:33am

re: #124 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

So, this software will do what? Accept anonymous tips from revenge porners? Rapists trying to evade capture?

Sounds like a walking target for hacking his db server.

Not sure of the functionality. But, it’s going to be a doxing site for rape victims and Rage Furby has alluded that it will cost money for victims to have their information removed.

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makeitstop  May 5, 2016 • 6:32:09am

re: #115 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Granted, it is a string of nothingburgers, but my beef with Clinton is that she handed them a freebie.

Debatable.

And even if she hadn’t, they would have made something up, and the gullible would be concerned.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 6:32:30am

re: #127 Dr. Matt

Not sure of the functionality. But, it’s going to be a doxing site for rape victims and Rage Furby has alluded that it will cost money for victims to have their information removed.

Yeah. Cyber-extortion.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 6:34:15am

re: #129 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I wonder if he really thinks he can do that legally or do it without leaving a trail.

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 6:35:24am

re: #125 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

You can deny it all you want but there was no good reason for her to handle her official email the way she did. That’s why I say she handed them a freebie. The Democrats got a lot of mileage out of the way the Republicans handled their email over the previous eight years so turnaround is fair play. We’re stuck with hearing about email for the next eight years hopefully.

Oh come the fuck on, Republican candidates THIS YEAR engaged in far shadier practices and got no attention about it whatsoever. Jeb took his office server home with him and is making himself arbiter of what will be made public, but nobody gave a damn. Walker and his cronies ran a secret email server out of the Milwaukee Co. Executive’s office in flagrant violation of state laws and six of his compatriots went to trial, but that was a treated as a “witch hunt.”

So you’ll excuse me if I don’t think her decision to use a private server that was perfectly legal and within the boundaries of the State Department’s regs as anything worse than a bad decision that appears to have been influenced by worry over her private emails being “leaked” to the media.

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darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 6:35:36am

Happy Friday everyone.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 6:37:16am

re: #130 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I wonder if he really thinks he can do that legally or do it without leaving a trail.

Oh, I am sure he does believe it, but given his grasp of the law, I don’t think he’d or WeSearchr would be free of complicity.

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Belafon  May 5, 2016 • 6:39:30am

re: #55 Nyet

This Is What a Republican Attack on Bernie Sanders Would Look Like

It takes no special political insight to see that Republicans will try to make Sanders seem like a sexual weirdo. Will it work? I have no idea, but there’s no shorter route to the frightened lizard brain of the American electorate than dark talk about children and sex.

After the transgender and bathroom laws, I think we know the answer to the question of whether it would be effective.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 6:39:42am

re: #131 Targetpractice

For God’s sake I expressly said I don’t think she did anything illegal, I said it was stupid.

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Belafon  May 5, 2016 • 6:40:23am

re: #131 Targetpractice

Oh come the fuck on, Republican candidates THIS YEAR engaged in far shadier practices and got no attention about it whatsoever. Jeb took his office server home with him and is making himself arbiter of what will be made public, but nobody gave a damn. Walker and his cronies ran a secret email server out of the Milwaukee Co. Executive’s office in flagrant violation of state laws and six of his compatriots went to trial, but that was a treated as a “witch hunt.”

So you’ll excuse me if I don’t think her decision to use a private server that was perfectly legal and within the boundaries of the State Department’s regs as anything worse than a bad decision that appears to have been influenced by worry over her private emails being “leaked” to the media.

Didn’t the head of the of the House investigation committee have his own server?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 6:41:40am

re: #136 Belafon

Wouldn’t surprise me, but the argument that everybody else did it too is usually what you get from a six year old.
ETA: and that guy isn’t running for President

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darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 6:43:34am
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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 6:44:02am

re: #135 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

For God’s sake I expressly said I don’t think she did anything illegal, I said it was stupid.

That’s at best debatable, given who we’re talking about here. A woman whose entire life has been picked over and the subject of breathless speculation for decades, why would it be stupid to want to keep private emails away from prying eyes? She operated under the same rules that her predecessors did, assuming that any vital emails were already on State Dept servers and turned over all she had when requested.

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 6:44:35am

re: #137 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Wouldn’t surprise me, but the argument that everybody else did it too is usually what you get from a six year old.
ETA: and that guy isn’t running for President

If everybody else did it too, then what is the issue?

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darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 6:45:11am

re: #132 darthstar

Happy Friday everyone.

sorry

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 6:45:29am

re: #138 darthstar

Horse in Suit looks gelded.

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darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 6:48:15am
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Belafon  May 5, 2016 • 6:49:26am

re: #137 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Wouldn’t surprise me, but the argument that everybody else did it too is usually what you get from a six year old.
ETA: and that guy isn’t running for President

Well, everyone else eats, and puts their pants on one leg at a time. Just because other people did it doesn’t make it wrong either.

They’re attacking Clinton but doing nothing to Powell or Rice. This isn’t about emails, it’s about Clinton. This is the same thing they’ve been doing for 20+ years because it was obvious to them back then that Clinton would be a threat to them. No one on the left should be buying anything that is not an actual scandal. The Republicans are blowing smoke out of their ass, and too many people accept it as proof of fire.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 6:49:53am

re: #139 Targetpractice

“why would it be stupid to want to keep private emails away from prying eyes?”

Problem is she sent official email through the same server. After years of criticizing Republicans for doing the same thing you’re simply going to have to live with them turning it around on her. You can try to minimize it all you want but the simple fact is that it was wrong when Colin Powell and Condaleeza Rice did it too. If she wanted to keep her private emails private she should not have mixed them with official email. It ‘snot that complicated.

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darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 6:50:10am

re: #142 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Horse in Suit looks gelded.

Horse in Suit’s eyes are up here, you perv.

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Bubblehead II  May 5, 2016 • 6:51:10am

re: #140 Targetpractice

If everybody else did it too, then what is the issue?

It’s all about Hillary and the desire to tear her down by any means possible. It hasn’t worked in the past and it wont work now. But it’s all they have.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2016 • 6:51:43am

re: #113 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Happy Cinco de Mayo! It is also a holiday here (Feast of the Ascension, and also German Fathers’ Day) so we are celebrating with home made chicken enchiladas. With imported chilis and corn tortillas,

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 6:52:05am

re: #145 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

“why would it be stupid to want to keep private emails away from prying eyes?”

Problem is she sent official email through the same server. After years of criticizing Republicans for doing the same thing you’re simply going to have to live with them turning it around on her. You can try to minimize it all you want but the simple fact is that it was wrong when Colin Powell and Condaleeza Rice did it too. If she wanted to keep her private emails private she should not have mixed them with official email. It ‘snot that complicated.

Then let Republicans make those arguments, let them be the ones to argue that it was stupid of her to do so. We have enough shit on our plates without doing their work for them.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 6:52:11am

re: #143 darthstar

It’s 5/5, good excuse for this.

Dave Brubeck - Take Five ( Original Video)

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 6:52:16am

re: #140 Targetpractice

Democrats criticized Republicans for similar email problems. For example they tried to conduct official business on personal email accounts, they purged official email without archiving it. Like I keep saying, if it was ok for Democrats to bust Republican balls over email (and it was), you’re going to have to live with turnabout.

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darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 6:53:04am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2016 • 6:54:43am

re: #151 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Democrats criticized Republicans for similar email problems. For example they tried to conduct official business on personal email accounts, they purged official email without archiving it. Like I keep saying, if it was ok for Democrats to bust Republican balls over email (and it was), you’re going to have to live with turnabout.

That has nothing to do with it. None but the most blindered optimists in the GOP know they are in for a shellacking, and the strategy now is to commence impeachment proceedings against HRC before she is even nominated.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 6:56:11am

Whoa, Nellie! Michelle Obama appeared on NCIS!

Not a bad actress.

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Romantic Heretic  May 5, 2016 • 6:57:46am

re: #6 Kragar

Target’s reply was succinct and unprintable.

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darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 6:58:22am

re: #154 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Whoa, Nellie! Michelle Obama appeared on NCIS!

Not a bad actress.

Which episode?

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TK-421  May 5, 2016 • 6:58:35am

Scott Walker approves drug test rules for unemployment benefits

Some people will have to take drug tests to secure unemployment benefits starting this week under rules GOP Gov. Scott Walker approved Wednesday.

Republican lawmakers approved a law allowing such tests last year, but it couldn’t take effect until Walker approved administrative rules on the issue.

Under the plan, those seeking unemployment compensation in most cases will be screened. If they don’t pass that questionnaire, they will have to provide samples for drug tests.

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makeitstop  May 5, 2016 • 6:59:07am

Stones to Trump: Get our songs off your playlist. Kthxbai.

Mick and Keef’s hatred of Prince Tiny Hands is the stuff of legend.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 7:00:08am

re: #149 Targetpractice

I can argue whatever the heck I want if I can back it up. It isn’t like I’m making stuff up. You don’t see me criticizing her over real made up stuff. Your response to a legitimate problem is to not talk about it. How is that sensible? The best way to get past a mistake is to own it. You can’t move on while you (or your advocates) keep saying this is meaningless.
If this campaign were really about issues and facts, then Clinton would have won already. The unhappy fact is that most voters are not swayed by issues and facts, they are swayed by fear and innuendo. A pro like Clinton should have known better.
Take the case of Barack Obama and Reverend Wright. We all know that it was a BS story. But Obama didn’t let is fester. He immediately said that he doesn’t feel that way and threw Reverend Wright to the side. That scandal deflated very quickly and had almost no legs through the rest of the campaign.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 7:00:10am

re: #156 darthstar

Which episode?

episode 22, current season, it just aired

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Joe Bacon  May 5, 2016 • 7:02:26am

re: #82 Dr. Matt

Rage Furby is so deep

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Just the thought of Ginger Snapped having “69” stamped on his forehead…

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lawhawk  May 5, 2016 • 7:02:29am

re: #157 TK-421

Nothing like yet another cash strapped state spending millions on drug testing to weed out a potential handful of cases (spending millions to stop a few thousand dollars going to recipients). The only beneficiaries of these drug testing schemes are the testing companies.

How about anyone working in the state legislature and executive branch must pass drug tests to get their biweekly checks.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2016 • 7:03:01am

re: #159 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I can argue whatever the heck I want if I can back it up. It isn’t like I’m making stuff up. You don’t see me criticizing her over real made up stuff. Your response to a legitimate problem is to not talk about it. How is that sensible? The best way to get past a mistake is to own it. You can’t move on while you (or your advocates) keep saying this is meaningless.
If this campaign were really about issues and facts, then Clinton would have won already. The unhappy fact is that most voters are not swayed by issues and facts, they are swayed by fear and innuendo. A pro like Clinton should have known better.
Take the case of Barack Obama and Reverend Wright. We all know that it was a BS story. But Obama didn’t let is fester. He immediately said that he doesn’t feel that way and threw Reverend Wright to the side. That scandal deflated very quickly and had almost no legs through the rest of the campaign.

That technique also worked because most people (outside of a few bigoted knuckle-draggers) actually liked Obama even if they did not support his politics. Hillary does not enjoy that luxury. I admit myself that I don’t particularly like her, but I am going to vote for her as I find her the best and most qualified candidate.

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darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 7:03:30am

re: #160 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

episode 22, current season, it just aired

Missed it this week. Will catch the on demand replay.

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makeitstop  May 5, 2016 • 7:03:34am

re: #159 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

The best way to get past a mistake is to own it. You can’t move on while you (or your advocates) keep saying this is meaningless.

Hillary Clinton has apologized for her use of a private “homebrew” email server during her time as US secretary of state, a day after telling the Associated Press that she would not.

In an interview with ABC News’s David Muir which aired on Tuesday, the former secretary of state said: “That was a mistake. I’m sorry about that. I take responsibility.”

Anything else we can do for you today?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 7:04:08am

re: #162 lawhawk

I thought unemployment benefits were paid by some sort of insurance.

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Belafon  May 5, 2016 • 7:05:16am

re: #155 Romantic Heretic

Target’s reply was succinct and unprintable.

The next session for the Texas legislature will be interesting for sure. We’re going to see a big split between social conservatives - of which Abbott, Patrick, and the AG (don’t remember the name) are part of - and business Republicans. Patrick, the LT Gov, who has the most power in the state, has said he’s going to introduce a bill. But business runs nearly everything here. If the bathroom ordinance got defeated here in Rockwall, I don’t think business is going to let it pass at the state level.

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 7:05:39am

re: #159 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I can argue whatever the heck I want if I can back it up. It isn’t like I’m making stuff up. You don’t see me criticizing her over real made up stuff. Your response to a legitimate problem is to not talk about it. How is that sensible? The best way to get past a mistake is to own it. You can’t move on while you (or your advocates) keep saying this is meaningless.
If this campaign were really about issues and facts, then Clinton would have won already. The unhappy fact is that most voters are not swayed by issues and facts, they are swayed by fear and innuendo. A pro like Clinton should have known better.
Take the case of Barack Obama and Reverend Wright. We all know that it was a BS story. But Obama didn’t let is fester. He immediately said that he doesn’t feel that way and threw Reverend Wright to the side. That scandal deflated very quickly and had almost no legs through the rest of the campaign.

Oh for fuck’s sake, she acknowledged it was a mistake and apologized months ago. Did it go away? No, like the IRS “scandal,” the apology was seen as “proof” that she’d done something wrong and the scrutiny only intensified. So you tell us, in what way could she “own” this mistake that would make it go away, short of ending her candidacy tomorrow?

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TK-421  May 5, 2016 • 7:06:19am

Dummies in this state think UI is some sort of welfare program. I hope the state gets sued.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 7:06:27am

re: #159 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I can argue whatever the heck I want if I can back it up. It isn’t like I’m making stuff up. You don’t see me criticizing her over real made up stuff. Your response to a legitimate problem is to not talk about it. How is that sensible? The best way to get past a mistake is to own it. You can’t move on while you (or your advocates) keep saying this is meaningless.
If this campaign were really about issues and facts, then Clinton would have won already. The unhappy fact is that most voters are not swayed by issues and facts, they are swayed by fear and innuendo. A pro like Clinton should have known better.
Take the case of Barack Obama and Reverend Wright. We all know that it was a BS story. But Obama didn’t let is fester. He immediately said that he doesn’t feel that way and threw Reverend Wright to the side. That scandal deflated very quickly and had almost no legs through the rest of the campaign.

The fact is, the only people who give a shit about the mail server are Clinton’s opponents. Nothing happened. Nothing was illegal. And the everyday voter could give a rat’s ass about it.

And Clinton will probably be the nominee, and the eventual winner of the election, despite the mail server nontroversy.

This whole thing has been investigated six ways to Sunday, and nothing unethical or illegal was turned up. Just give it a rest.

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lawhawk  May 5, 2016 • 7:06:55am

re: #166 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I thought unemployment benefits were paid by some sort of insurance.

If you’re working, the state requires UI insurance deductions - employers and employees pay into the fund. So the workers who are now unemployed have paid for those services.

Now, WI’s Walker is forcing them to get drug testing to get their paid-for services. Demeaning - on purpose.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 7:07:18am

re: #161 Joe Bacon

Just the thought of Ginger Snapped having “69” stamped on his forehead…

Sheep fucker

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2016 • 7:07:51am

re: #166 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I thought unemployment benefits were paid by some sort of insurance.

yes, but being unemployed is shameful behavior and needs to be punished as an incentive to get back to work…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 7:08:42am

re: #164 darthstar

Missed it this week. Will catch the on demand replay.

She appears near the end, and it might even have been filmed in the White House.

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darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 7:09:10am
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GlutenFreeJesus  May 5, 2016 • 7:09:32am

re: #151 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Speaking of turnabout. Apparently it was ok for Powell and Rice to use private servers. But not Clinton. Got it.

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 7:10:19am

Oh, and the flip side of the coin about “owning” a “mistake” is that your opponents only see you “owning” it as incentive to find other things to hit you with. Hence the infamous exchange about LBJ wanting his staff to start a rumor campaign that his opponent fucked pigs, then responding to the dismayed remarks that he knew that his opponent didn’t fuck pigs with “Yeah, but I want the son of a bitch to deny it!”

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Romantic Heretic  May 5, 2016 • 7:11:06am

re: #87 Dave In Austin

He should have ended that with “You kids! Get off my lawn!”

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Eventual Carrion  May 5, 2016 • 7:13:04am

re: #137 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Wouldn’t surprise me, but the argument that everybody else did it too is usually what you get from a six year old.
ETA: and that guy isn’t running for President

No, the argument is that it was standard operating procedure at that time. And those references are to prove it was just that.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 7:13:32am

re: #165 makeitstop

I’m a bit of a news junkie and the fact that I never heard that makes me think she picked the wrong guy to apologize to. In my example of Obama/Wright, I think he did a much better job of publicly addressing the issue. In fact, I heard/saw his statement repeatedly. I know you so desperately want to pull up the covers and make it go away, but this is politics. It isn’t asking too much for the person you want to be President to fix this problem. If a lesser politician were mixed up in this (like that guy heading the commission referred to above) I wouldn’t expect as much. If you want to run for President, it’s fair to expect more. Barack Obama managed to run a scandal free Presidency. When stuff went bad, he dealt with it.
If this is such a nothingburger, it shouldn’t have been be all that hard to deal with. Instead she’s going to let this dangle over her campaign and her administration.

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Romantic Heretic  May 5, 2016 • 7:14:25am

re: #112 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

FB isn’t “Free”?

Or does it charge rent to misanthropes like UpChuck?

It insists dipshits like The Rage Furby abide by its rules.

That’s almost too high a price to pay.

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Belafon  May 5, 2016 • 7:14:41am
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lawhawk  May 5, 2016 • 7:16:40am
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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 7:17:46am

re: #170 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The fact is, the only people who give a shit about the mail server are Clinton’s opponents. Nothing happened. Nothing was illegal. And the everyday voter could give a rat’s ass about it.

And Clinton will probably be the nominee, and the eventual winner of the election, despite the mail server nontroversy.

This whole thing has been investigated six ways to Sunday, and nothing unethical or illegal was turned up. Just give it a rest.

I’m not the one who decides what to give a rest and what not to. This is an unforced error on her part that is going to hang over her campaign. I got another bit of bad news for you. The everyday voter doesn’t know shit. I’m sitting here in my wife’s office listening to people in the waiting room talk about this and the four poor boys she left to die in Benghazi. Those are everyday voters too. Benghazi was investigated six ways to Sunday too. When are you guys going to face the fact that facts only matter to some people?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 7:18:15am

re: #181 Romantic Heretic

It insists dipshits like The Rage Furby abide by its rules.

That’s almost too high a price to pay.

I predict he will cross the line again, get suspended again, and maybe banned forever — again. He can’t help himself. He’s impulsive; there’s no filter between brain and keyboard.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 7:18:29am

re: #183 lawhawk

Shoot, I think he should get promoted :p

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Barefoot Grin  May 5, 2016 • 7:18:39am

re: #175 darthstar

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I’m going to when I can. Love to see Neil rock!

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  May 5, 2016 • 7:21:54am
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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 7:21:58am

See, that’s why I responded to Steve as I have. He brought up this dead horse in a suit for a beating all on his own, pivoting from an unrelated comment about the probably lying hacker. His right, but I call BS.

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b.d.  May 5, 2016 • 7:22:44am

re: #183 lawhawk

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Family values.

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 7:23:09am

re: #184 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I’m not the one who decides what to give a rest and what not to. This is an unforced error on her part that is going to hang over her campaign. I got another bit of bad news for you. The everyday voter doesn’t know shit. I’m sitting here in my wife’s office listening to people in the waiting room talk about this and the four poor boys she left to die in Benghazi. Those are everyday voters too. Benghazi was investigated six ways to Sunday too. When are you guys going to face the fact that facts only matter to some people?

And what did you do when you heard the talk start? Did you engage and try to correct them? Join in the chorus? Or sit on your ass and decided that there was nothing that could be done?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 7:23:38am

re: #184 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I’m not the one who decides what to give a rest and what not to. This is an unforced error on her part that is going to hang over her campaign. I got another bit of bad news for you. The everyday voter doesn’t know shit. I’m sitting here in my wife’s office listening to people in the waiting room talk about this and the four poor boys she left to die in Benghazi. Those are everyday voters too. Benghazi was investigated six ways to Sunday too. When are you guys going to face the fact that facts only matter to some people?

And let me guess, they all get their news from Fox and AM radio jocks.

And for the love of all that’s holy, she didn’t commit any errors! Rice and Powell also had private email servers.

As for the everyday voters, they seem to be voting for Clinton OK.

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 7:25:42am

re: #180 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I’m a bit of a news junkie and the fact that I never heard that makes me think she picked the wrong guy to apologize to. In my example of Obama/Wright, I think he did a much better job of publicly addressing the issue. In fact, I heard/saw his statement repeatedly. I know you so desperately want to pull up the covers and make it go away, but this is politics. It isn’t asking too much for the person you want to be President to fix this problem. If a lesser politician were mixed up in this (like that guy heading the commission referred to above) I wouldn’t expect as much. If you want to run for President, it’s fair to expect more. Barack Obama managed to run a scandal free Presidency. When stuff went bad, he dealt with it.
If this is such a nothingburger, it shouldn’t have been be all that hard to deal with. Instead she’s going to let this dangle over her campaign and her administration.

You’re not even on speaking terms with reality by this point.

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makeitstop  May 5, 2016 • 7:30:21am

re: #180 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I’m a bit of a news junkie and the fact that I never heard that makes me think she picked the wrong guy to apologize to.

Dude. It’s ABC News. It’s not like she gave that quote to a small-town paper or obscure web site. It’s a goddamn major news organization on a major US broadcast network. I’m not sure what more you expect here.

In my example of Obama/Wright, I think he did a much better job of publicly addressing the issue. In fact, I heard/saw his statement repeatedly.

And just why did you hear it ‘repeatedly?’ Because even after he addressed it, the media still dogged him for weeks about it, until he had to give a major address on race. And IIRC, wingnuts still bitch about Rev Wright. Eight years plus after the fact.

I know you so desperately want to pull up the covers and make it go away, but this is politics.

Hey, fucking bite me. You don’t know what I’m thinking about this, other than the fact that you demanded that she ‘address it,’ and I had to point you to a fucking link (that you could have found as easily as I did in all of 20 fucking seconds) showing you that she’s already done that.

And you continue to bitch about it.

Inform yourself, for God’s sake. I’m not in the mood for willful ignorance today.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 7:31:30am

re: #189 Nyet

I don’t believe him either, but that isn’t the point. This is an unforced error that is going to hang over her campaign, and she did a crappy job of handling it. Don’t blame me.

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Dr. Matt  May 5, 2016 • 7:32:00am

re: #161 Joe Bacon

Just the thought of Ginger Snapped having “69” stamped on his forehead…

You’re giving him way too much credit.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 7:32:54am

re: #193 Targetpractice

Oh, so he ran a scandal-ridden Presidency then? (judging from the part you highlighted) And you’re calling ME out of touch with reality?

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Belafon  May 5, 2016 • 7:32:54am

re: #195 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I don’t believe him either, but that isn’t the point. This is an unforced error that is going to hang over her campaign, and she did a crappy job of handling it. Don’t blame me.

Why do you allow Republicans to define what an unforced error is?

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 7:32:56am

re: #195 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I don’t believe him either, but that isn’t the point. This is an unforced error that is going to hang over her campaign, and she did a crappy job of handling it. Don’t blame me.

Then please, oh wise one, tell us how she could have handled it in a way that would have made it go away. You said she had to “own it,” but she did that month ago and yet it remains. So how can she flagellate herself in a manner that will satisfy you that she has sufficiently “owned it” and those who continue to obsess over it are doing so because they seek to gain from it?

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Bubblehead II  May 5, 2016 • 7:33:55am

re: #195 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I don’t believe him either, but that isn’t the point. This is an unforced error that is going to hang over her campaign, and she did a crappy job of handling it. Don’t blame me.

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Get over it already.

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 7:34:28am

re: #197 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Oh, so he ran a scandal-ridden Presidency then? (judging from the part you highlighted) And you’re calling ME out of touch with reality?

Are you really going to sit here and argue that there were no “scandals” that the GOP obsessed over, in many cases still obsess over, even after he took steps to “deal” with them? Because if you are, then I can save you the time: You’re full of shit.

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darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 7:34:35am

File this under fuck him, he helped drive this shit…

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Jenner7  May 5, 2016 • 7:36:10am

Someone here said Tuesday night that we shouldn’t engage in BernieBro’s anymore, but I couldn’t help it. It was HA’s Huffpost article telling Hillary to concede before she’s indicted.

I will try from now on though. It’s so hard. They are so deluded.

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calochortus  May 5, 2016 • 7:36:31am

re: #59 BlackPearl

I love the fact that private messages give you an email notification so you see them no matter when they’re sent.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 7:39:31am

re: #194 makeitstop

I can’t remember the last time I heard Rev. Wright’s name. Like I said, I follow the news and never heard Clinton acknowledge the email issue. I gave you the example of the people in my wife’s waiting room discussing it. They’re voters too.
I know you don’t have to be convinced that Hillary Clinton is above reproach and has never made a misstep in her professional career. John Kerry did a shitty job of dealing with the swiftboat bullshit. More than anything else that doomed his campaign. Clinton is doing a shitty job of dealing with this, in spite of your stomping your feet. It feeds the prejudged conception that most voters have of her.

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Jenner7  May 5, 2016 • 7:39:48am

Ah, yes, the Romanian hacker claim. Totally believable.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 5, 2016 • 7:39:50am

Is VB here right now?

Edit: I am hoping to get her help, over the private thing.

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Eventual Carrion  May 5, 2016 • 7:43:24am

re: #151 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Democrats criticized Republicans for similar email problems. For example they tried to conduct official business on personal email accounts, they purged official email without archiving it. Like I keep saying, if it was ok for Democrats to bust Republican balls over email (and it was), you’re going to have to live with turnabout.

The repubs were deleting and refusing to release requested emails, that was the problem.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 7:43:49am

re: #199 Targetpractice

Then please, oh wise one, tell us how she could have handled it in a way that would have made it go away. You said she had to “own it,” but she did that month ago and yet it remains. So how can she flagellate herself in a manner that will satisfy you that she has sufficiently “owned it” and those who continue to obsess over it are doing so because they seek to gain from it?

She did a lousy job of addressing it. Politics isn’t about facts. Most voters aren’t going to Google the interview Clinton gave on ABC news. I’ll guarantee that if she only addressed it once, not that many people saw it. Most people aren’t going to google the interview. THey’ll just assume she’s under investigation. Is that fair? Absolutely. It’s Clinton’s responsibility to get out there and get in front of it. Is that fair? No, but this is politics. If you want to run for President, you better bring your A game and stop expecting other people to do it for you.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 7:44:57am

re: #205 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I can’t remember the last time I heard Rev. Wright’s name. Like I said, I follow the news and never heard Clinton acknowledge the email issue. I gave you the example of the people in my wife’s waiting room discussing it. They’re voters too.
I know you don’t have to be convinced that Hillary Clinton is above reproach and has never made a misstep in her professional career. John Kerry did a shitty job of dealing with the swiftboat bullshit. More than anything else that doomed his campaign. Clinton is doing a shitty job of dealing with this, in spite of your stomping your feet. It feeds the prejudged conception that most voters have of her.

CNN found it. I found it, too. edition.cnn.com

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 7:45:14am

re: #204 calochortus

I like to randomly upding somebody else’s private message and make them wonder if I have special hacking powers. I am such a child sometimes

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Jenner7  May 5, 2016 • 7:47:16am
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Bubblehead II  May 5, 2016 • 7:47:34am

re: #206 Jenner7

Ah, yes, the Romanian hacker claim. Totally believable.

The only media outlet I see running with the story is of course faux news.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 7:47:39am

re: #210 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

My point is that you have to go looking for it. That’s why I say she isn’t doing a good job of addressing it. That is also why I said that handling her email this way was stupid.

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makeitstop  May 5, 2016 • 7:49:53am

re: #205 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Downding for being a dick.

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 7:50:20am

re: #195 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I don’t believe him either, but that isn’t the point. This is an unforced error that is going to hang over her campaign, and she did a crappy job of handling it. Don’t blame me.

You obviously wanted to scratch that itch of yours.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 7:52:16am

re: #214 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

My point is that you have to go looking for it. That’s why I say she isn’t doing a good job of addressing it. That is also why I said that handling her email this way was stupid.

What do you want her to do? Wear a fucking sign board everywhere she goes? To constantly deny she did anything wrong is exactly what the ratfckers want. It’s been investigated. There is nothing there. So, she’s doing the logical thing, and not discussing it further.

She handled her email the same way previous SOS did. So, maybe that was stupid, but somehow I suspect three SOS had the right tech guys set things up for maximum security. It’s not like they called Geek Squad over to set it up.

Seriously, give this a rest.

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lawhawk  May 5, 2016 • 7:52:35am

The problem isn’t Trump. It’s the GOP (Part, I’ve lost count):

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Franklin  May 5, 2016 • 7:52:50am

re: #214 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

My point is that you have to go looking for it. That’s why I say she isn’t doing a good job of addressing it. That is also why I said that handling her email this way was stupid.

This is the same line of thinking that goes into “Why don’t Imam’s condemn terrorist attacks!” and “Why don’t blacks protest the gang killings in their neighborhoods!”.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  May 5, 2016 • 7:52:51am

good morning fellow Lizards.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 7:53:27am

Refresh my 213, I left out not.

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 7:54:43am

re: #209 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

She did a lousy job of addressing it. Politics isn’t about facts. Most voters aren’t going to Google the interview Clinton gave on ABC news. I’ll guarantee that if she only addressed it once, not that many people saw it. Most people aren’t going to google the interview. THey’ll just assume she’s under investigation. Is that fair? Absolutely. It’s Clinton’s responsibility to get out there and get in front of it. Is that fair? No, but this is politics. If you want to run for President, you better bring your A game and stop expecting other people to do it for you.

So because the matter hasn’t gone away, she hasn’t done enough to make it go away. The burden is on her to make the media drop the issue, not on the media to accept her apology and ownership of the matter and drop it. But when Obama “dealt with” a scandal, that was all the mattered because you personally never heard about it again.

There’s a word on the tip of my tongue, about holding women to a different standard than men. Oh, if only I could remember it.////

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BlueSpotinAL  May 5, 2016 • 7:54:46am

re: #98 Decatur Deb

Stuck in Birmingham for the next week, with poor connectivity. I’ll be watching y’all.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 5, 2016 • 7:55:31am

re: #220 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Congratulations!

Get a Helmet, it’s a warzone in here. :P

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 7:56:01am

BTW if I were one of those House Republican investigators, I wouldn’t have her testify. I would just let it hang over her head instead of giving her the chance to fix it.

I’m not here to troll. I am giving a fair argument. I expect Clinton to do better. She’s the one running for President, it’s her job to deal with mickey mouse stuff like this. It isn’t my job to go googling after a statement on something that is so out in the public like this. If I wanted her view on something that isn’t as high on the ladder, than I expect to google. When I keep hearing people going on and on about an issue it isn’t bullshit anymore.

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darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 7:56:15am
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  May 5, 2016 • 7:57:27am

re: #224 Ziggy_TARDIS

Congratulations!

Get a Helmet, it’s a warzone in here. :P

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LOL. It’s a day ending in Y. I have to say though I am so enjoying watching the fucks on the right work themselves into a tizzy of having to disavow their own nominee. They built that.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 8:01:44am

re: #225 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

BTW if I were one of those House Republican investigators, I wouldn’t have her testify. I would just let it hang over her head instead of giving her the chance to fix it.

I’m not here to troll.
I am giving a fair argument. I expect Clinton to do better. She’s the one running for President, it’s her job to deal with mickey mouse stuff like this. It isn’t my job to go googling after a statement on something that is so out in the public like this. If I wanted her view on something that isn’t as high on the ladder, than I expect to google. When I keep hearing people going on and on about an issue it isn’t bullshit anymore.

Yeah, whatever. I have bestown upon you one of my rare downdings for trolling and then denying you’re trolling.

Fair argument? You’re merely repeating the same tired shit from Faux News and right wing pundits. The people you are hearing this shit from undoubtedly only pay attention to Faux News. I’d suggest increasing your sample size before you start saying many voters are worried about email-gate.

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Belafon  May 5, 2016 • 8:02:17am

re: #225 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I’m often fond of 20/20 hindsight as a governing strategy: Do things, find out they’re wrong afterwards, and travel back in time to fix them. And how do you know something is wrong? Your political opponents tell you they are.

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freetoken  May 5, 2016 • 8:02:21am

re: #218 lawhawk

They’re all (or almost all) going to embrace Drumpfskind in the end.

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Belafon  May 5, 2016 • 8:03:23am

re: #230 freetoken

They’re all (or almost all) going to embrace Drumpfskind in the end.

And there’s a reason: They’re at the end of their run unless they can get another conservative SCOTUS appointment.

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lawhawk  May 5, 2016 • 8:03:32am

re: #225 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

BTW if I were one of those House Republican investigators, I wouldn’t have her testify. I would just let it hang over her head instead of giving her the chance to fix it.

I’m not here to troll. I am giving a fair argument. I expect Clinton to do better. She’s the one running for President, it’s her job to deal with mickey mouse stuff like this. It isn’t my job to go googling after a statement on something that is so out in the public like this. If I wanted her view on something that isn’t as high on the ladder, than I expect to google. When I keep hearing people going on and on about an issue it isn’t bullshit anymore.

That’s just it. She did deal with it. Repeatedly. The law allowed her to do certain things. Confidential materials rules were changed after she left office. Same thing with the Benghazi stuff. She’s testified. She’s given papers. The GOP has run more investigations into this than they did on the Iraq war being launched, let alone 9/11. And what have they found? Not a damned thing. But they will continue digging in the hope of finding a perjury trap or obstruction, based on the second lieutenant in a unit 1000s of miles away hearing some scuttlebutt from a guy who looked important who said the Code Red was issued to stand down. The GOP is full on in conspiracy mode. Trump is the culmination of the dissociation from reality.

But the GOP want to continue flogging it because that’s all they have. It’s a diversionary tactic from the Red Wedding underway at the GOP over Trump taking over at the behest of the GOP voters. The GOP talking heads/intellectuals, who’ve been spending years cultivating irrational hate and fear finally got the candidate of their dreams - talking in a language the rank and file GOP voters love, and it turns out he’s even more batcrap insane than the GOP could ever hope to control.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 8:03:44am

re: #216 Nyet

Excuse the shit out of me for discussing an issue. It isn’t as trivial as you think. I keep hearing people obsess over this. Like it or not, that makes it a real issue. Nobody ever said politics was fair.

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lawhawk  May 5, 2016 • 8:04:12am

re: #230 freetoken

They’re all (or almost all) going to embrace Drumpfskind in the end.

And the ones who “don’t” embrace him will be NeverHillary/StopHillary, which is tantamount to supporting Trump.

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calochortus  May 5, 2016 • 8:05:41am

re: #211 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I like to randomly upding somebody else’s private message and make them wonder if I have special hacking powers. I am such a child sometimes

And in my case it is sooooooo very private. Earthquake insurance information!

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Eventual Carrion  May 5, 2016 • 8:05:53am

re: #209 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

She did a lousy job of addressing it. Politics isn’t about facts. Most voters aren’t going to Google the interview Clinton gave on ABC news. I’ll guarantee that if she only addressed it once, not that many people saw it. Most people aren’t going to google the interview. THey’ll just assume she’s under investigation. Is that fair? Absolutely. It’s Clinton’s responsibility to get out there and get in front of it. Is that fair? No, but this is politics. If you want to run for President, you better bring your A game and stop expecting other people to do it for you.

And that is the biggest problem of all that should be turned around, not accepted.

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Le Lapin Tueur  May 5, 2016 • 8:05:59am

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s what my rabbits would do on the cross-country portion of the rabbit show. This one is B&W like my Bossie, too.

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Great White Snark  May 5, 2016 • 8:08:28am
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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 8:08:48am

re: #233 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Excuse the shit out of me for discussing an issue. It isn’t as trivial as you think. I keep hearing people obsess over this. Like it or not, that makes it a real issue. Nobody ever said politics was fair.

Then have considered that the people you hang around with are morons? And that the matter remains because you do nothing to correct them?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 8:08:52am

re: #228 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I have never watched Fox News. What about the example of John Kerry? Swiftboating was bullshit from the start, but he did a lousy job of dealing with it. I think that doomed his campaign.
Like it or not, it is the candidates’ job to clear the decks. You can complain about my bringing the issue up this morning, but I forget who brought up the Romanian hacker who hinted he hacked her server, then acted all surprise that it made me think of the email scandal.
You’re welcome to go back into your bubble. Ignore the email scandal. I keep hearing about it. Clinton fucked up her 2008 campaign, I don’t want her fucking up this one.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 8:09:29am

re: #235 calochortus

Suuure it was ;p

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gwangung  May 5, 2016 • 8:10:39am

re: #233 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Excuse the shit out of me for discussing an issue. It isn’t as trivial as you think. I keep hearing people obsess over this. Like it or not, that makes it a real issue. Nobody ever said politics was fair.

Swallowing right wing lies.

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calochortus  May 5, 2016 • 8:10:49am

re: #233 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Excuse the shit out of me for discussing an issue. It isn’t as trivial as you think. I keep hearing people obsess over this. Like it or not, that makes it a real issue. Nobody ever said politics was fair.

I suspect the vast majority of people obsessing over this are already looking for a reason to reject Hillary. I know precisely one person who worries about it and he is a libertarian who may or may not vote for Trump but wouldn’t vote for Hillary if she was the nominee for both parties. Now I live in a liberal area, but I suspect this will only resonate with those who don’t want to vote D.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 8:11:07am

re: #239 Targetpractice

Then have considered that the people you hang around with are morons? And that the matter remains because you do nothing to correct them?

Those morons (salt of the Earth!) have votes that count as much as mine does. And they’re old morons. They’ll show up to vote in November.

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 8:12:25am

re: #244 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Those morons (salt of the Earth!) have votes that count as much as mine does. And they’re old morons. They’ll show up to vote in November.

And what are you doing to change their minds? From the sound it, jack and/or shit. You’re putting all the onus on her so as to excuse your inaction.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 8:12:41am

re: #242 gwangung

What is the right wing lie? That people are talking about this all the time? That an issue like this feeds the preconception (evidenced by polling BTW) that Clinton isn’t trustworthy. Be specific.

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 8:14:19am

re: #233 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Excuse the shit out of me for discussing an issue. It isn’t as trivial as you think. I keep hearing people obsess over this. Like it or not, that makes it a real issue. Nobody ever said politics was fair.

Just as I said, it’s your right. Not sure what new or useful you’ve said about it, but it’s your right.

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calochortus  May 5, 2016 • 8:15:45am

Must go take the car into the shop for it’s yearly check-up. Back later.
Do try to stop bickering in the meanwhile ;)

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 8:16:04am

re: #234 lawhawk

And the ones who “don’t” embrace him will be NeverHillary/StopHillary, which is tantamount to supporting Trump.

Admittedly the number of wingnuts voting for her to stop him won’t be great, though they exist of course. But I’ll take not voting for him too.

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 8:17:35am
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Belafon  May 5, 2016 • 8:17:58am

re: #233 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Excuse the shit out of me for discussing an issue. It isn’t as trivial as you think. I keep hearing people obsess over this. Like it or not, that makes it a real issue. Nobody ever said politics was fair.

If you obsess over something because people are obsessing over something, and we are obsessing over it because you are, is the problem the email server or the obsessing?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 8:21:35am

re: #245 Targetpractice

It’s Clinton’s job. She’s the one running for President. You see people here all the time trying to get their facebook acquaintances to see the light. It’s a slow process.
I will give you an example from home. My MIL keeps griping about Clinton’s money and the four poor boys in Benghazi, and so on. I try to redirect her and remind her that there were more Benghazi hearings than 9/11 hearings and it’s all a witch hunt. The next day, it’s the same thing all over again.
Also, I’m not going to get into discussions in my wife’s waiting room and here’s why. I bring up a legitimate beef about the way Clinton is handling this. I give argument, including premises and conclusion. And some people here act like I’m going all Fox on your asses. The same thing for my wife’s waiting room. Somebody will leave here and say I was yelling at them because have a rational discussion using arguments, premises and conclusion is hard no matter who you’re discussing it with. Can’t have people spread the word that the doctor’s husband was yelling at them so no, I will not engage here. Besides, like it or not, Clinton’s the one running for President, it is her job.

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Tigger2  May 5, 2016 • 8:23:45am

re: #233 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Excuse the shit out of me for discussing an issue. It isn’t as trivial as you think. I keep hearing people obsess over this. Like it or not, that makes it a real issue. Nobody ever said politics was fair.

The only person I have seen obsessing over it is you and I see a lot of people.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 8:23:51am

re: #251 Belafon

If you obsess over something because people are obsessing over something, and we are obsessing over it because you are, is the problem the email server or the obsessing?

Personally, I’m over it.

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makeitstop  May 5, 2016 • 8:24:19am

Well, I’m convinced. Switching my vote to Horse In Suit.

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withak  May 5, 2016 • 8:24:26am

so how bout them cubbies

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makeitstop  May 5, 2016 • 8:25:13am

re: #256 withak

so how bout them cubbies

How about Larry Bird firing the second best coach in the NBA?

The hell is he thinking?

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plansbandc  May 5, 2016 • 8:25:38am

Hopefully, this isn’t the new direction for LGF. I come here for interesting and informative political discussion. Not dead horse beating.

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 8:26:19am

re: #252 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

It’s Clinton’s job. She’s the one running for President. You see people here all the time trying to get their facebook acquaintances to see the light. It’s a slow process.
I will give you an example from home. My MIL keeps griping about Clinton’s money and the four poor boys in Benghazi, and so on. I try to redirect her and remind her that there were more Benghazi hearings than 9/11 hearings and it’s all a witch hunt. The next day, it’s the same thing all over again.
Also, I’m not going to get into discussions in my wife’s waiting room and here’s why. I bring up a legitimate beef about the way Clinton is handling this. I give argument, including premises and conclusion. And some people here act like I’m going all Fox on your asses. The same thing for my wife’s waiting room. Somebody will leave here and say I was yelling at them because have a rational discussion using arguments, premises and conclusion is hard no matter who you’re discussing it with. Can’t have people spread the word that the doctor’s husband was yelling at them so no, I will not engage here. Besides, like it or not, Clinton’s the one running for President, it is her job.

So again, have you considered that the people who are repeating this are morons who either know better but still believe it or should know better but remain willfully ignorant? Because I don’t know too many in my life who constantly talk about the email server who do so for any other reason than they hate Hillary Clinton and want a reason to justify their hatred.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 8:26:27am

re: #251 Belafon

The problem is the obsessing. This story isn’t going away, even though people around here would like it to. Clinton’s biggest problem in polls is the way people think she isn’t trustworthy. This is tailor made to reinforce that impression.
I said before that I don’t think she was up to anything evil, or illegal. I argued that it was a stupid thing to do and I gave reasons for reaching that conclusion. Nobody has yet refuted those arguments. (Unless accusing me of parroting right wing talking points is somehow an argument)

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 8:27:06am

re: #256 withak

so how bout them cubbies

How about them Phillies? Not in last place!!!!

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withak  May 5, 2016 • 8:27:56am

re: #261 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

How about them Phillies? Not in last place!!!!

I honestly have given up on following baseball in the past few years (no time, and I’m a Twins fan). Target Field is a great place to watch a lousy team.

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Tigger2  May 5, 2016 • 8:28:42am

re: #260 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

The problem is the obsessing. This story isn’t going away, even though people around here would like it to. Clinton’s biggest problem in polls is the way people think she isn’t trustworthy. This is tailor made to reinforce that impression.
I said before that I don’t think she was up to anything evil, or illegal. I argued that it was a stupid thing to do and I gave reasons for reaching that conclusion. Nobody has yet refuted those arguments. (Unless accusing me of parroting right wing talking points is somehow an argument)

More people think Trump isn’t trustworthy.

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Belafon  May 5, 2016 • 8:28:44am

re: #258 plansbandc

Hopefully, this isn’t the new direction for LGF. I come here for interesting and informative political discussion. Not dead horse beating.

Dead horses deserve our attention!!!

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makeitstop  May 5, 2016 • 8:29:20am

Can we re-litigate Benghazi tomorrow?

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 8:29:55am

re: #261 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

How about them Phillies? Not in last place!!!!

The MacPhail hire was a smart one for you all. The man is a very shrewd trader. The Orioles never won while he was there but he set a solid foundation up. I have no doubt he’ll do the same in Philly.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 8:30:10am

re: #259 Targetpractice

And that’s why I argue that doing business the way she did was an unforced error on her part. That’s also why I argue that it is her job to deal with this, and I gave you the swiftboating campaign as an example. This perception is being allowed to fester. It’s like a sportsball game when the favorite lets the underdog team hang around, then gets bitten in the ass in the bottom of the fourth half.

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Tigger2  May 5, 2016 • 8:30:31am

re: #265 makeitstop

Can we re-litigate Benghazi tomorrow?

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Or the next day or the next day or never again.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 8:30:46am

re: #262 withak

I honestly have given up on following baseball in the past few years (no time, and I’m a Twins fan). Target Field is a great place to watch a lousy team.

Got an old friend that lives in the Minneapolis area. Looks like a nice stadium. Never did like the Metrodome or honestly any domes.

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 8:31:42am

re: #260 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

The problem is the obsessing. This story isn’t going away, even though people around here would like it to. Clinton’s biggest problem in polls is the way people think she isn’t trustworthy. This is tailor made to reinforce that impression.
I said before that I don’t think she was up to anything evil, or illegal. I argued that it was a stupid thing to do and I gave reasons for reaching that conclusion. Nobody has yet refuted those arguments. (Unless accusing me of parroting right wing talking points is somehow an argument)

People still believe that Obama is originally from Kenya and listed himself as a foreign student on his college transcripts, even though he has released two forms of his birth certificate. And yes, I’ve heard people in my life repeat this belief and I’ve tried to correct them on it. Am I to conclude that Obama didn’t do enough to make the matter go away?

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MsJ  May 5, 2016 • 8:31:45am

re: #92 Bubblehead II

Interesting. All I see is a blank box, but my reply shows that something is there.

Using Firefox 45.0.2

That usually happens to me with gifs and embedded tweets but this worked just fine for me. The rest, though, do not work on either Firefox or Pale Moon (a Firefox based browser).

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 8:32:14am

re: #268 Tigger2

You’ll never hear me re-litigate Benghazi

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 8:32:52am

re: #270 Targetpractice

People still believe that Obama is originally from Kenya and listed himself as a foreign student on his college transcripts, even though he has released two forms of his birth certificate. And yes, I’ve heard people in my life repeat this belief and I’ve tried to correct them on it. Am I to conclude that Obama didn’t do enough to make the matter go away?

Yet somehow he managed to get elected twice. You can’t explain that.

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withak  May 5, 2016 • 8:33:31am

re: #266 HappyWarrior

The MacPhail hire was a smart one for you all. The man is a very shrewd trader. The Orioles never won while he was there but he set a solid foundation up. I have no doubt he’ll do the same in Philly.

He was also responsible for the Twins hiring Tom Kelly and making a bunch of great trades and signings prior to ‘87, followed by two WS titles.

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 8:34:37am

re: #267 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

And that’s why I argue that doing business the way she did was an unforced error on her part. That’s also why I argue that it is her job to deal with this, and I gave you the swiftboating campaign as an example. This perception is being allowed to fester. It’s like a sportsball game when the favorite lets the underdog team hang around, then gets bitten in the ass in the bottom of the fourth half.

Yeah, I’ll just forget that Max Cleland went to Crawford with a letter addressed to Bush, asking him to speak out against the swiftboating, and was not even allowed past the gate to deliver the letter. Or the men who’d served with Kerry who spoke up and denounced the swiftboating.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 8:35:52am

The Bushes say “no” to Trump. bbc.com

Former US presidents George H W Bush and George W Bush will not endorse Donald Trump’s candidacy for president, aides have told local media.

This marks a first for the 91-year-old former president Bush, who had endorsed Republicans in the past five elections.

Republican politicians are struggling to define their support, or lack thereof, for Donald Trump.

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Eventual Carrion  May 5, 2016 • 8:35:56am

re: #240 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I have never watched Fox News. What about the example of John Kerry? Swiftboating was bullshit from the start, but he did a lousy job of dealing with it. I think that doomed his campaign.
Like it or not, it is the candidates’ job to clear the decks. You can complain about my bringing the issue up this morning, but I forget who brought up the Romanian hacker who hinted he hacked her server, then acted all surprise that it made me think of the email scandal.
You’re welcome to go back into your bubble. Ignore the email scandal. I keep hearing about it. Clinton fucked up her 2008 campaign, I don’t want her fucking up this one.

Guilty until proven innocent?

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withak  May 5, 2016 • 8:35:57am

re: #269 HappyWarrior

Got an old friend that lives in the Minneapolis area. Looks like a nice stadium. Never did like the Metrodome or honestly any domes.

I have intense nostalgia for the Metrodome. It was a shitty place to watch baseball (or football, or anything, really) but I didn’t care as a kid. I was at Game 7 in ‘91. Just electric.

Target Field isn’t perfect, but it’s close; it deserves a better team than the one that currently calls it home.

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Belafon  May 5, 2016 • 8:36:07am

re: #273 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Yet somehow he managed to get elected twice. You can’t explain that.

It’s like magnets.

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lawhawk  May 5, 2016 • 8:36:34am

re: #279 Belafon

Fire melts steel!

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 8:37:10am

re: #274 withak

He was also responsible for the Twins hiring Tom Kelly and making a bunch of great trades and signings prior to ‘87, followed by two WS titles.

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 8:37:59am

re: #278 withak

I have intense nostalgia for the Metrodome. It was a shitty place to watch baseball (or football, or anything, really) but I didn’t care as a kid. I was at Game 7 in ‘91. Just electric.

Target Field isn’t perfect, but it’s close; it deserves a better team than the one that currently calls it home.

Oh wow Game 7 ‘91 is probably one of the best games ever, plus you had Smoltz up against his boyhood hero Morris. And the ending. Anyone who says baseball ain’t exciting should watch that game.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 8:40:46am

re: #275 Targetpractice

That’s why I argue that the facts aren’t always the point. A BS “scandal” can undermine a campaign. I take no solace that we spent four more years with a hopelessly incompetent and maniacal administration because of a bullshit scandal. John Kerry let us down in 2004. Bullshit or not, it was his fucking job to win that election. As bad as those four years were, the next four promise to be far worse. More than four years if the Republicans pack the Supreme Court. It’s Clinton’s job to win this election. It isn’t out of line to expect her to do it right. She fucked up in 2008 and she better not do it again.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 8:41:59am

re: #273 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Yet somehow he managed to get elected twice. You can’t explain that.

Sure can. He ran two excellent campaigns. (Except for that one debate I missed when everybody shit themselves)

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 8:42:38am

re: #284 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Sure can. He ran two excellent campaigns.

That’s an O’Reilly reference heh.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 8:43:30am

re: #285 HappyWarrior

I added a line to that post. Click that little refresh doohicky that Charles put in

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Skip Intro  May 5, 2016 • 8:44:23am

Carson: Cruz Could Prosecute Clinton As Trump’s AG Then Move To SCOTUS

This is the kind of stupid we’re going to be living with for the next 6 months.

talkingpointsmemo.com

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lawhawk  May 5, 2016 • 8:45:24am

re: #287 Skip Intro

Carson: Cruz Could Prosecute Clinton As Trump’s AG Then Move To SCOTUS

This is the kind of stupid we’re going to be living with for the next 6 months 9 years. FTFY

talkingpointsmemo.com

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 8:46:27am

re: #287 Skip Intro

Carson: Cruz Could Prosecute Clinton As Trump’s AG Then Move To SCOTUS

This is the kind of stupid we’re going to be living with for the next 6 months.

talkingpointsmemo.com

Hahahaha.

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Belafon  May 5, 2016 • 8:46:31am

re: #288 lawhawk

I think we’re already well into year 7 of the stupidity.

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withak  May 5, 2016 • 8:46:40am

re: #282 HappyWarrior

Oh wow Game 7 ‘91 is probably one of the best games ever, plus you had Smoltz up against his boyhood hero Morris. And the ending. Anyone who says baseball ain’t exciting should watch that game.

At the time, during the first two thirds of the game, I actually got a little bored. Keep in mind I was 12, and a 0-0 pitchers’ duel is just not that exciting to a kid who wants to see his heroes Puckett and Hrbek knock the crap out of the ball. (And given the dramatic ending to Game 6 the night before, well, I was expecting more of the same.)

That ending, though; my dad nearly crushed me in all the excitement.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 8:47:11am

Yep Ted Cruz being confirmed by the body not once but twice that despises him.

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Tigger2  May 5, 2016 • 8:48:07am

re: #287 Skip Intro

Carson: Cruz Could Prosecute Clinton As Trump’s AG Then Move To SCOTUS

This is the kind of stupid we’re going to be living with for the next 6 months.

talkingpointsmemo.com

We will be in for this kind of stupid every time we have a Democratic President.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 8:48:18am

re: #291 withak

At the time, during the first two thirds of the game, I actually got a little bored. Keep in mind I was 12, and a 0-0 pitchers’ duel is just not that exciting to a kid who wants to see his heroes Puckett and Hrbek knock the crap out of the ball. (And given the dramatic ending to Game 6 the night before, well, I was expecting more of the same.)

That ending, though; my dad nearly crushed me in all the excitement.

You do appreciate pitcher’s duels more with age. I liked Puckett, I recall he was one of my uncle’s favorite players since my uncle like Kirby is a little guy but never let it get in the way of his athletic abilities.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 8:48:29am

re: #293 Tigger2

We will be in for this kind of stupid every time we have a Democratic President.

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 8:49:56am

I mean it’d be one thing if this was just Carson talking shit but he’s actually in Trump’s own words going to play a big part in the VP search. It really shows that the Trump campaign is full with people who don’t know the first thing about running a country.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 8:50:01am

re: #292 HappyWarrior

Yep Ted Cruz being confirmed by the body not once but twice that despises him.

They’ll do it if it gets him out of their sight for the rest of their lives.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 5, 2016 • 8:50:29am
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No Depression  May 5, 2016 • 8:51:17am

re: #293 Tigger2

We will be in for this kind of stupid every all the time we have a Democratic President.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 8:51:21am

re: #297 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

They’ll do it if it gets him out of their sight for the rest of their lives.

It’d be AG and SCOTUS though not a one way trip to Siberia.

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 8:51:29am

re: #283 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

That’s why I argue that the facts aren’t always the point. A BS “scandal” can undermine a campaign. I take no solace that we spent four more years with a hopelessly incompetent and maniacal administration because of a bullshit scandal. John Kerry let us down in 2004. Bullshit or not, it was his fucking job to win that election. As bad as those four years were, the next four promise to be far worse. More than four years if the Republicans pack the Supreme Court. It’s Clinton’s job to win this election. It isn’t out of line to expect her to do it right. She fucked up in 2008 and she better not do it again.

And do tell, did you spend 2004 worrying about the swiftboating and beseeching other liberals to take it seriously because Republicans insisted that it was a serious issue? And make arguments that Kerry had done something wrong, so the issue was genuine and something he had to address in order to make it go away? And the fact that it didn’t go away was proof that he didn’t do enough?

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 8:52:03am

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Now begins the inquisition…

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 8:52:30am

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

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NeverTrump is now TrumporGTFO.

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lawhawk  May 5, 2016 • 8:52:32am

re: #302 Targetpractice

No True Republican™

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lawhawk  May 5, 2016 • 8:52:50am

re: #303 HappyWarrior

Splitter!

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withak  May 5, 2016 • 8:53:30am

re: #303 HappyWarrior

NeverTrump is now TrumporGTFO.

But he’s a uniter!

Where have we heard that before?

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 8:55:03am

re: #306 withak

But he’s a uniter!

Where have we heard that before?

GWB has nothing on Trump.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 8:55:47am

China deploys folk singer to disputed Spratly Islands

bbc.com

The singer in question is Song Zuying, who hails from Guzhang County in Hunan, about an hour from where I am. She’s a local celebrity.

China is trying really hard to convince everyone those islands belong to China. Taiwan and Japan disagree. Oops! Wrong islands. These are the ones Vietnam and the Philippines also claim. Plus, they’re not keen on having Chinese navy ships so close to their shores.

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 8:57:05am

So to remain employed with the RNC, you have to be totally onboard with the party’s suicide pact. If you’re not prepared to fellate Herr Trump, then you have no place in the party anymore.

I cannot in any way see how this count backfire upon them…/////

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 8:57:43am

re: #301 Targetpractice

And do tell, did you spend 2004 worrying about the swiftboating and beseeching other liberals to take it seriously because Republicans insisted that it was a serious issue? <blockquote.

Yes, the previous four years were bad enough, I didn’t want another four.

<blockquot>And make arguments that Kerry had done something wrong, so the issue was genuine and something he had to address in order to make it go away? And the fact that it didn’t go away was proof that he didn’t do enough?

I would not have argued that Kerry did anything wrong. That was not the issue with swiftboating (As a reminder, the swiftboating campaign accused him of accepting decorations he did not deserve).
However, the fact that it did not go away IS Kerry’s fault. I don’t care how bullshit the issue/scandal/whatever it is. If you’re the candidate, it is YOUR job to deal with it.

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Tigger2  May 5, 2016 • 8:58:47am

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 8:59:16am

re: #310 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I would not have argued that Kerry did anything wrong. That was not the issue with swiftboating (As a reminder, the swiftboating campaign accused him of accepting decorations he did not deserve).
However, the fact that it did not go away IS Kerry’s fault. I don’t care how bullshit the issue/scandal/whatever it is. If you’re the candidate, it is YOUR job to deal with it.

Questions about Obama’s birth certificate have never gone away. Is it his fault?

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Charles Johnson  May 5, 2016 • 8:59:26am
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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 9:00:02am

re: #311 Tigger2

They should take all the “I”s off the keyboards on the way out.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 9:00:56am

re: #314 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

They should take all the “I”s off the keyboards on the way out.

All the left hand keys.

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Eventual Carrion  May 5, 2016 • 9:01:40am

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The long knives come out.

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Belafon  May 5, 2016 • 9:01:46am

re: #314 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

They should take all the “I”s off the keyboards on the way out.

The “t”s. Then it’ll be Donald rump.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 9:01:54am

re: #312 Targetpractice

I don’t hear them nearly as much as I used to. Besides, Obama did his job. Twice. Kerry didn’t. Clinton hasn’t yet.

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Belafon  May 5, 2016 • 9:02:24am

re: #318 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I don’t hear them nearly as much as I used to. Besides, Obama did his job. Twice. Kerry didn’t. Clinton hasn’t yet.

I still hear about it up at work.

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lawhawk  May 5, 2016 • 9:03:22am

Imagine my surprise that the majority of states that aren’t acting on climate change are in the thrall of the GOP. Many coastal states are acting, but you’ve got a bunch of states that are seeing long term droughts and other weather changes doing nothing.

Thanks GOP.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 9:03:29am

re: #319 Belafon

I do too, but not like it used to be. BTW I should add that Al Gore even did his job, but we all know what happened.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 9:03:31am

You know, I welcome the Republicans that are leaving because of Trump but I want to ask them why Cruz or Kasich would have been any more acceptable to them? And frankly even voters who aren’t voting for Trump seem to agree with his ideas. It just seems to me that many of the Republicans/conservatives who have a problem with Trump are ignoring that Trump just didn’t happen in a vaccum. It took time and the Republican party and conservative movement that they associated themselves with played a role in what allowed him to today become the presumptive nominee of the GOP. I guess better late than ever but I’ll reiterate that it’s not just Trump and acting like that’s the case means the Republican party and conservatives won’t learn a damn thing.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 9:04:27am

re: #320 lawhawk

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Imagine my surprise that the majority of states that aren’t acting on climate change are in the thrall of the GOP. Many coastal states are acting, but you’ve got a bunch of states that are seeing long term droughts and other weather changes doing nothing.

Thanks GOP.

My shock.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 9:04:31am

re: #320 lawhawk

I like the “reset map” button, like it’s going to change by the hour.

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Charles Johnson  May 5, 2016 • 9:04:31am

I’ve never heard of this person, but she doesn’t seem to like me very much.

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Belafon  May 5, 2016 • 9:04:55am

re: #321 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I do too, but not like it used to be. BTW I should add that Al Gore even did his job, but we all know what happened.

Yeah, he ran away from Clinton.

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Jenner7  May 5, 2016 • 9:05:16am
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Belafon  May 5, 2016 • 9:05:52am

re: #325 Charles Johnson

I’ve never heard of this person, but she doesn’t seem to like me very much.

I guess you don’t play her kind of music.

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 9:06:01am

re: #318 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I don’t hear them nearly as much as I used to. Besides, Obama did his job. Twice. Kerry didn’t. Clinton hasn’t yet.

Your argument is specious and your evidence entirely anecdotal. Obama won and you don’t personally hear people mention the matter, so in your mind the two are linked and he made it go away. Yet I have heard people still talk about it and it remained a topic of discussion amongst the media for long after the ‘08 election. So how can you conclude that he did his “job” if I still hear people talk about it?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 9:06:10am

re: #326 Belafon

No, Gore won his election. He got O’Connored.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 9:06:32am

re: #326 Belafon

Yeah, he ran away from Clinton.

With a prospering economy. Still shaking my head about that. .

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 9:07:14am

re: #329 Targetpractice

His job was to get elected. BTW, if my evidence is anecdotal, isn’t yours anecdotal as well?

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withak  May 5, 2016 • 9:07:15am

re: #318 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I don’t hear them nearly as much as I used to. Besides, Obama did his job. Twice. Kerry didn’t. Clinton hasn’t yet.

We heard about it plenty, again, when Obama was actually running for office the last time. From the current GOP nominee, and many, many others.

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Belafon  May 5, 2016 • 9:07:46am

re: #330 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

No, Gore won his election. He got O’Connored.

Actually, if you go look at the counts done after the election, Bush won Florida anyway. There’s some argument about Nader, and the butterfly ballots had a big effect, but the ballots as they stood gave Bush the state, even though the SCOTUS cut counting short.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 9:08:07am

re: #327 Jenner7

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The next President with his Supreme Court picks will have the ability to shape the court in the biggest way since Reagan. Even if Clinton chose all Garland clones, that would still be an improvement over what we’ve had since the Rehqnuist court days.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 9:11:09am

I still think the fact that Trump doesn’t even pretend to give a damn about the whims of the religious right is why many of these people really despise him. Some of them like Coulter or Rush whose big thing is hatred don’t really care about the religious stuff since I think Rush and Ann being at Sunday services is as likely as myself being there but for the actually devout who do attend services, Trump’s irreligious (by Republican standards anyhow) campaign bothers them a lot.

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 9:11:32am

re: #332 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

His job was to get elected. BTW, if my evidence is anecdotal, isn’t yours anecdotal as well?

He got elected twice, yet the “scandal” remained. How do you square that circle, conclude that an election hinges on a single issue if he won despite people still talking about the issue?

And hey, we’re making progress, you’ve acknowledged your evidence is anecdotal. Now, perhaps we move to understanding that just because you’ve heard people you know talking about it does not mean everybody it talking about it.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 9:13:52am

THe thing I like least about the Republicans’ campaign is that they can use Donald Trump and try to pretend to be moderate.

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Dr. Matt  May 5, 2016 • 9:15:07am

Another politically correct conservative loses their shit:

Conservative mom goes berserk after schoolkids perform harmless Trump skit

An unhappy mom is raising a ruckus in Wellesley, Massachusetts after three fifth-grade boys performed a dance skit while wearing Donald Trump masks. The parent, whose name was redacted, sent a string of e-mails that included an image of Obama as Alfred E. Neuman, and a second image that showed a Muslim holding a decapitated head, the Wellesley Townsman reported.

In her email, the woman wrote: “Please grow up and realize that there are many different views and that a talent show ridiculing someone is first not a talent and would have never been tolerated if it was of Obama. May be next year my kids will dance a hijab on!” (sic)

Watch the completely harmless and non-controversial video below

3 little donald trumps!

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wrenchwench  May 5, 2016 • 9:16:07am

At least it’s a SMALL parasitic wasp.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 9:18:30am

re: #339 Dr. Matt

Another politically correct conservative loses their shit:

Conservative mom goes berserk after schoolkids perform harmless Trump skit

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That’s tame compared to the shit I’ve seen mocking Obama over the years. Woman needs to get a fucking grip.

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jaunte  May 5, 2016 • 9:18:48am

So, my neighborhood’s on fire this morning.

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Eventual Carrion  May 5, 2016 • 9:19:49am

re: #339 Dr. Matt

Another politically correct conservative loses their shit:

Conservative mom goes berserk after schoolkids perform harmless Trump skit

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5th graders to “please grow up”? I think they are working on it.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 9:20:39am

re: #337 Targetpractice

In the first place, I never argued that my evidence wasn’t anecdotal. I do have evidence about Clinton however. From CBS News, cbsnews.com

Also, the percentage of independents who view Clinton favorably is now half of what it was in the fall of 2013. Many independents now say they are undecided or don’t know enough about Clinton to have an opinion. Most Democrats (55 percent) continue to hold favorable views of Clinton but that percentage has dropped eight points since November 2013.

Independents are the battleground of this election. I know Trump has his own problems, but I’d rather Clinton take care of things herself and not rely on Trump being worse.

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 9:21:26am

re: #344 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

In the first place, I never argued that my evidence wasn’t anecdotal. I do have evidence about Clinton however. From CBS News, cbsnews.com

Independents are the battleground of this election. I know Trump has his own problems, but I’d rather Clinton take care of things herself and not rely on Trump being worse.

Obama lost the “independent” vote in 2012 and still won by 5 million votes.

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Tigger2  May 5, 2016 • 9:21:29am

re: #342 jaunte

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So, my neighborhood’s on fire this morning.

Militia bomb factory ? ///////

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 9:21:58am

re: #342 jaunte

Stay upwind. You don’t know what’s in that warehouse.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 9:22:31am

re: #345 Targetpractice

Obama lost the “independent” vote in 2012 and still won by 5 million votes.

Hilary Clinton is no Barack Obama.

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withak  May 5, 2016 • 9:23:03am

re: #344 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

In the first place, I never argued that my evidence wasn’t anecdotal. I do have evidence about Clinton however. From CBS News, cbsnews.com

Independents are the battleground of this election. I know Trump has his own problems, but I’d rather Clinton take care of things herself and not rely on Trump being worse.

How much of that opinion is driven by concerns about the email server?

How much of that opinion can Clinton effectively change with her own actions? How does she “take care of things herself,” given the nature of today’s newsmedia?

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jaunte  May 5, 2016 • 9:23:20am

re: #346 Tigger2

Apparently someone’s back-yard car repair operation caught fire, and it spread to a neighboring warehouse which could contain: insecticides, oil products, plastics and possibly ammunition.

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darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 9:23:40am

From a friend’s facebook status:

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 9:23:53am

re: #348 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Hilary Clinton is no Barack Obama.

You’re right, she’s on track to go to the convention with more delegates than he did.

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jaunte  May 5, 2016 • 9:24:21am

Otherwise it’s a pretty nice day.

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Tigger2  May 5, 2016 • 9:24:25am

re: #350 jaunte

Apparently someone’s back-yard car repair operation caught fire, and it spread to a neighboring warehouse which could contain: insecticides, oil products, plastics and possibly ammunition.

I would deff stay back and upwind.

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jaunte  May 5, 2016 • 9:24:57am

Support your local fire departments!

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Eventual Carrion  May 5, 2016 • 9:25:41am

re: #342 jaunte

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So, my neighborhood’s on fire this morning.

Man. My 2 oldest boys were born at Memorial hospital not far from there. And I lived for a long time not too much farther west of there.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 9:26:10am

re: #349 withak

Don’t whine to me about the news media. If she wants to get on, she can get on. There isn’t an outlet that will turn her down.
Also, from the top of that CBS link, “Most Americans (65 percent) say their opinion of Clinton has not changed in the wake of the email controversy, but 29 percent say their opinion of her has grown worse. Forty-nine percent of Republicans say their opinion of her is worse, as do 28 percent of independents.”
Can’t say it doesn’t mean anything.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 9:28:11am

re: #351 darthstar

From a friend’s facebook status:

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Anyone who thinks Trump isn’t so bad hasn’t been listening.

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Tigger2  May 5, 2016 • 9:28:21am

re: #357 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Don’t whine to me about the news media. If she wants to get on, she can get on. There isn’t an outlet that will turn her down.
Also, from the top of that CBS link, “Most Americans (65 percent) say their opinion of Clinton has not changed in the wake of the email controversy, but 29 percent say their opinion of her has grown worse. Forty-nine percent of Republicans say their opinion of her is worse, as do 28 percent of independents.”
Can’t say it doesn’t mean anything.

What republicans think of her means nothing.

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 9:28:28am

re: #357 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Don’t whine to me about the news media. If she wants to get on, she can get on. There isn’t an outlet that will turn her down.
Also, from the top of that CBS link, “Most Americans (65 percent) say their opinion of Clinton has not changed in the wake of the email controversy, but 29 percent say their opinion of her has grown worse. Forty-nine percent of Republicans say their opinion of her is worse, as do 28 percent of independents.”
Can’t say it doesn’t mean anything.

I say it means Republicans are largely driving the perception that she’s coming out worse for the “scandal.” And are not going to change that opinion if she goes and prostrates herself on national TV again and again over it.

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lawhawk  May 5, 2016 • 9:28:32am

A morning diversion:

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 9:28:34am

re: #352 Targetpractice

Unless those delegates are members of the Electoral College,

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withak  May 5, 2016 • 9:29:04am

re: #357 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Don’t whine to me about the news media. If she wants to get on, she can get on. There isn’t an outlet that will turn her down.
Also, from the top of that CBS link, “Most Americans (65 percent) say their opinion of Clinton has not changed in the wake of the email controversy, but 29 percent say their opinion of her has grown worse. Forty-nine percent of Republicans say their opinion of her is worse, as do 28 percent of independents.”
Can’t say it doesn’t mean anything.

Who’s fucking whining here? The 24-hour news cycle and scandal/soundbite-driven cable news shows do play a role here. I asked you pertinent questions that I’m genuinely interested in your answers for.

Well, maybe I was before you replied, anyway.

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darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 9:29:08am

All these guys saying they won’t go to the convention…they’re going to look foolish when they change their minds and show up.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 9:29:22am

re: #359 Tigger2

Way to miss the point.

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 9:29:25am

re: #362 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Unless those delegates are members of the Electoral College,

Well fuck, Steve, you seem bound and determined to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

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wrenchwench  May 5, 2016 • 9:30:23am

re: #357 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Can’t say it doesn’t mean anything.

Yes I can.

No, wait. You’re right, I can’t. My ISP disconnected.

/posted when it came back up

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Jenner7  May 5, 2016 • 9:31:06am

Sigh.

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lawhawk  May 5, 2016 • 9:32:10am

re: #364 darthstar

Yeah, right up until they show. And throw their support to Trump because Stop Hillary (or Bernie, if you’re going that way) still trumps Never Trump. That’s ultimately what will drive the GOP. They’ll go with prevent defense.

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withak  May 5, 2016 • 9:33:07am

re: #369 lawhawk

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Yeah, right up until they show. And throw their support to Trump because Stop Hillary (or Bernie, if you’re going that way) still trumps Never Trump. That’s ultimately what will drive the GOP. They’ll go with prevent defense.

Hopefully that defense will work about as well as it does in the modern NFL…

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lawhawk  May 5, 2016 • 9:33:32am
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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 9:35:17am

re: #369 lawhawk

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Yeah, right up until they show. And throw their support to Trump because Stop Hillary (or Bernie, if you’re going that way) still trumps Never Trump. That’s ultimately what will drive the GOP. They’ll go with prevent defense.

“We’ll never support Trump!”

“(Until the check clears, anyway.)”

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Tigger2  May 5, 2016 • 9:35:33am

re: #365 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Way to miss the point.

The point is Republicans aren’t going to be voting for her no mater what she does. and there is a good chance that some of that 28% of Independents are really Republicans that are just to embarrassed to have an R next to their name.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 9:35:40am

re: #360 Targetpractice

I say it means Republicans are largely driving the perception that she’s coming out worse for the “scandal.” And are not going to change that opinion if she goes and prostrates herself on national TV again and again over it.

This is my point, the she is losing this battle to the Republicans. I’m not trying to win Republican votes for Clinton. This issue is having an impact on independents.
I keep asking myself why people don’t think Hillary Clinton should do better. Why exactly is it wrong to expect a candidate for President to confront and neutralize an issue that substantially has an impact on her approval ratings? Is good enough really the standard anymore?

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 9:36:01am

re: #369 lawhawk

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Yeah, right up until they show. And throw their support to Trump because Stop Hillary (or Bernie, if you’re going that way) still trumps Never Trump. That’s ultimately what will drive the GOP. They’ll go with prevent defense.

I imagine Dole probably won’t go either. He’s been in bad health lately I believe. He was on record as saying he preferred Trump over Cruz. Bob Dole hates Ted Cruz.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 9:36:32am

re: #369 lawhawk

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Yeah, right up until they show. And throw their support to Trump because Stop Hillary (or Bernie, if you’re going that way) still trumps Never Trump. That’s ultimately what will drive the GOP. They’ll go with prevent defense.

The Beeb is reporting that Bush I and II will not endorse The Donald.

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Skip Intro  May 5, 2016 • 9:36:44am

Guess who said it.

He was asking me a theoretical, or just a question in theory, and I talked about it only from that standpoint. Of course not. And that was done, he said, you know, I guess it was theoretically, but he was asking me a rhetorical question, and I gave an answer. And by the way, people thought from an academic standpoint, and asked rhetorically, people said that answer was an unbelievable academic answer. But of course not, and I said that afterwards. Everybody understands that.

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blueraven  May 5, 2016 • 9:37:14am
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withak  May 5, 2016 • 9:37:22am

re: #373 Tigger2

The point of is Republicans aren’t going to be voting for her no mater what she does. and there is a good chance that some of that 28% of Independents are really Republicans that are just to embarrassed to have an R next to their name.

Anecdotally, I know of a few who will… ;-)

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 9:37:27am

re: #376 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The Beeb is reporting that Bush I and II will not endorse The Donald.

That one I can believe.

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 9:37:43am

re: #374 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

This is my point, the she is losing this battle to the Republicans. I’m not trying to win Republican votes for Clinton. This issue is having an impact on independents.
I keep asking myself why people don’t think Hillary Clinton should do better. Why exactly is it wrong to expect a candidate for President to confront and neutralize an issue that substantially has an impact on her approval ratings? Is good enough really the standard anymore?

28% of Independent thinking lesser of her means a minimum of 72% think the same or better of her. Do you expect this election to turn on that 28%? And what do you propose she do to win them over?

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Franklin  May 5, 2016 • 9:37:58am

re: #374 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

This is my point, the she is losing this battle to the Republicans. I’m not trying to win Republican votes for Clinton. This issue is having an impact on independents.
I keep asking myself why people don’t think Hillary Clinton should do better. Why exactly is it wrong to expect a candidate for President to confront and neutralize an issue that substantially has an impact on her approval ratings? Is good enough really the standard anymore?

How exactly should she do this? I know she has brilliant people working for her that should answer this question, but beyond what she has done how would you do it?

Keep in mind that everytime she brings it up, it’s back on the front page instead of the conspiracy forums and Fox News.

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Tigger2  May 5, 2016 • 9:38:03am

re: #379 withak

Anecdotally, I know of a few who will… ;-)

Good

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lawhawk  May 5, 2016 • 9:38:04am

re: #376 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’ve seen that. And I believe it. But all the talk of not going to the convention or not backing the GOP nominee by others? Much of it is overblown nonsense. They’ll fall in line. They usually do. Especially when others remind them of who Trump is facing.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 9:38:56am

re: #376 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Almost wish they would.

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Jenner7  May 5, 2016 • 9:39:02am

Election 6 months away, but she’s already losing to Republicans.

If I wanted to hear this crap, I’d go watch CNN, MSNBC, and Fox.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 9:39:20am

re: #379 withak

Anecdotally, I know of a few who will… ;-)

I’m one.

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 9:39:36am

re: #369 lawhawk

Don’t know about Bushes, but I don’t believe Romney will change his mind.

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gwangung  May 5, 2016 • 9:39:38am

re: #381 Targetpractice

28% of Independent thinking lesser of her means a minimum of 72% think the same or better of her. Do you expect this election to turn on that 28%? And what do you propose she do to win them over?

28%? Hm. Close to the Crazification Factor….

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 9:40:05am

re: #384 lawhawk

I’ve seen that. And I believe it. But all the talk of not going to the convention or not backing the GOP nominee by others? Much of it is overblown nonsense. They’ll fall in line. They usually do. Especially when others remind them of who Trump is facing.

They’ll all find a way to overcome their opposition and embrace the man. Some will choose to do so out of loyalty to the party. Some will do so because he says or does something they think is worthy of their support. And some will just wait until he names the right figure. But all will find it within themselves to wrap their arms around him and ignore the putrid stench.

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lawhawk  May 5, 2016 • 9:40:08am

Qualifies him as a Trump running mate?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 9:40:15am

re: #384 lawhawk

I’ve seen that. And I believe it. But all the talk of not going to the convention or not backing the GOP nominee by others? Much of it is overblown nonsense. They’ll fall in line. They usually do. Especially when others remind them of who Trump is facing.

I’m not sure of that. There may be some holdouts, especially if the Bushes stand their ground and refuse to endorse him.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 9:41:02am

re: #385 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Almost wish they would.

WHY? Whose side are you on, anyway?

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Franklin  May 5, 2016 • 9:41:08am

re: #381 Targetpractice

28% of Independent thinking lesser of her means a minimum of 72% think the same or better of her. Do you expect this election to turn on that 28%? And what do you propose she do to win them over?

And 28% of people will believe anything Kent. Forty percent of all people know that. /homer

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lawhawk  May 5, 2016 • 9:41:58am

re: #388 Nyet

GHWB? Not going to change his opinion, and his health would likely keep him from attending convention anyways. GWB might skip the convention, and might take a more fluid position (party unity versus Clinton) without crossing into outright endorsement (though Trump will tout that as endorsement all the same, and he’d be right).

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Jenner7  May 5, 2016 • 9:42:22am

Here’s what I know:

Hillary wouldn’t run for President if she had even the slightest hint she was going to be indicted.

Not that it matters, because she didn’t do anything wrong.

If we can’t beat Donald Trump, then we deserve him.

STOP chicken little-ing already, jeebus. It’s May FFS.

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 9:42:29am

re: #392 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Have Bushes been on the NeverTrump bandwagon? They may say some generic “endorsing” words. And yeah, GWB looking like an elder statesman compared to the Frankentrump is horrific

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 9:42:40am

re: #389 gwangung

28%? Hm. Close to the Crazification Factor….

Close to what my old driving instructor called the “1/5th rule.” The rule went that 1/5th of drivers (DUIs, road ragers, texters, etc) tend to fuck it up for the other 4/5ths.

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 9:43:32am

re: #396 Jenner7

But but but concerns!1

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darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 9:43:32am

re: #344 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

In the first place, I never argued that my evidence wasn’t anecdotal. I do have evidence about Clinton however. From CBS News, cbsnews.com

Independents are the battleground of this election. I know Trump has his own problems, but I’d rather Clinton take care of things herself and not rely on Trump being worse.

This. I know some people here think I hate Hillary (I don’t. I just don’t trust her. And yes, I’m very critical of her. In the words of today’s politicians, I’ll vote for her but I won’t endorse her.). My biggest (one of them, I suppose) concern is her complacency. She really seems to just dismiss anything and anyone that she finds not important. She dismissed Sanders when she had a 60 point lead, and now that she’s inevitable, she’s dismissing him again. It’s one thing to stop buying advertising. It’s another to say you don’t need to because of the math. She should have won Indiana easily. It’s not a progressive state. It wasn’t Republicans voting for Bernie that took it away from her - they voted for Trump.

If she can lose a 60 point lead to an old socialist in 6 months, holding a 13 point lead over a reality TV star/billionaire isn’t going to be a cakewalk.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 9:43:46am

re: #381 Targetpractice

28% of Independent thinking lesser of her means a minimum of 72% think the same or better of her. Do you expect this election to turn on that 28%? And what do you propose she do to win them over?

Not exactly, I think the poll in the piece said 65% (I closed the tab). That’s still a big hit for a nothingburger, or a nontroversy. It’s only going to get uglier as we go on.

I still get nothing about expecting my candidate to do better. It seems people would rather just forget it, or wish it away.

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BlueSpotinAL  May 5, 2016 • 9:44:00am

Posted First LGF Page, on why the General Election will suck because of Magic Balance Fairy

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 9:44:26am

re: #391 lawhawk

Qualifies him as a Trump running mate?

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No but definitely cabinet material.

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 9:45:17am

re: #400 darthstar

If she can lose a 60 point lead to an old socialist in 6 months, holding a 13 point lead over a reality TV star/billionaire isn’t going to be a cakewalk.

There’s not much of an analogy between the intraparty dynamics and the GE dynamics.

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withak  May 5, 2016 • 9:45:26am

re: #401 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Not exactly, I think the poll in the piece said 65% (I closed the tab). That’s still a big hit for a nothingburger, or a nontroversy. It’s only going to get uglier as we go on.

I still get nothing about expecting my candidate to do better. It seems people would rather just forget it, or wish it away.

Alright, I’ll ask again: how does she do better? What would you like to see?

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lawhawk  May 5, 2016 • 9:45:38am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 9:46:24am

re: #397 Nyet

Have Bushes been on the NeverTrump bandwagon? They may say some generic “endorsing” words. And yeah, GWB looking like an elder statesman compared to the Frankentrump is horrific

I think they’ve stayed out of endorsing anyone so far, given Jeb!’s run that eventually failed.

Trump makes Dubya not look so bad. You’re right about that.

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Jenner7  May 5, 2016 • 9:47:05am

re: #400 darthstar

If she can lose a 60 point lead to an old socialist in 6 months, holding a 13 point lead over a reality TV star/billionaire isn’t going to be a cakewalk.

This is a bullshit Bernie talking point. He says this at every rally. The fact is, she was up that much because the primary had just started and people didn’t know much about Bernie. AND, ANY candidate running against Hillary would have polled the same.

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FormerDirtDart  May 5, 2016 • 9:47:20am

re: #406 lawhawk

Houston issues alert over possible release of hazardous material as fire breaks out in warehouse - Houston Chronicle

Just hold your breath Houston…

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darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 9:47:51am

re: #369 lawhawk

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Yeah, right up until they show. And throw their support to Trump because Stop Hillary (or Bernie, if you’re going that way) still trumps Never Trump. That’s ultimately what will drive the GOP. They’ll go with prevent defense.

Right now, they’re getting attention for playing coy. Eventually, the media’s going to realize having someone on TV who is just going to not say what they’re going to do because they’re afraid of upsetting people isn’t good for ratings, and they’ll stop inviting these fuckers on their shows.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 9:48:29am

re: #406 lawhawk

This sounds eerily like the big explosion in Tianjin several months ago. Fire reached a warehouse packed with hazmat that were not properly isolated from one another or stored correctly. Big boom!

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jaunte  May 5, 2016 • 9:48:47am

re: #406 lawhawk

Plastic packaging/filling

“Can fill a variety of products - from fuel additive to cleaning supplies, pesticides, and herbicides”
custpkg.com

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lawhawk  May 5, 2016 • 9:48:50am

re: #409 FormerDirtDart

I’m going to be real curious about the TX DEC/OSHA equivalent investigation into the fire and hazmat releases. Texas has such lax regulation and oversight, who knows what they’ll find was stored in those buildings.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 9:48:58am

re: #400 darthstar

In 2008 her numbers went down almost everywhere she went. In PA she polled ahead by about 25, down to 15 when the polls opened, and won by 9. If anybody can come from ahead to lose, it’s her. Don’t get me wrong, I want her to be President, but they aren’t going to just hand her the keys to the White House.
And with that, I gotta go.

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Franklin  May 5, 2016 • 9:49:01am

re: #408 Jenner7

This is a bullshit Bernie talking point. He says this at every rally. The fact is, she was up that much because the primary had just started and people didn’t know much about Bernie. AND, ANY candidate running against Hillary would have polled the same.

Technically she had an ∞ lead over him in the days leading up to his campaign launch. Can’t believe he narrowed it so quickly!

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freetoken  May 5, 2016 • 9:51:24am

If Vicente Fox bows to Drumpfskind, then all the rest will too.

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darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 9:51:36am

re: #404 Nyet

There’s not much of an analogy between the intraparty dynamics and the GE dynamics.

GE dynamics are different, I agree. Behold the fairness doctrine (I know, the fairness doctrine is dead, long live the fairness doctrine). The media has a vested interest in the race being close. It’s good for ad revenue. They’ll crow about Hillary’s YUUGE lead in the polls and how the electoral map favors her. Then they’ll start with how Trump is chipping away at her lead in key battleground states. By August recess, they’ll be all about how Trump voters are showing up at town hall meetings making Republican lives miserable because of their lack of commitment to the candidate.

Writing show runners for the general election is pretty easy.

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Tigger2  May 5, 2016 • 9:52:02am
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freetoken  May 5, 2016 • 9:52:08am
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lawhawk  May 5, 2016 • 9:52:46am

re: #411 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I remember that big fire - the fire crews responded and didn’t know that they shouldn’t pour water on that fire - and it all detonated with devastating consequences.

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 9:52:51am

So my half-assed prediction:
Yes, most of the GOP will vote for Trump. Some happily, many - holding nose.
But the percentage of those not voting for the nominee or voting for their opponent will be significantly higher than in the previous elections.
Some of the NeverTrump pundits will come around and will vote for Trump after all, however the core NT folks won’t change their opinion, but they are too few to have any significant influence in swaying the GOP minds at this point.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 9:53:07am

re: #408 Jenner7

This is a bullshit Bernie talking point. He says this at every rally. The fact is, she was up that much because the primary had just started and people didn’t know much about Bernie. AND, ANY candidate running against Hillary would have polled the same.

I imagine it was much the same for Obama in 2008 though he probably had a little more name recon since he had the convention speech and had actually had done shit to get other Democrats elected.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  May 5, 2016 • 9:53:10am

re: #405 withak

I think she should keep giving interviews. Nobody’s going to turn her down. Beyond that, she’s the candidate, it’s her responsibility to keep things like this from needlessly impacting her standing with the public. I posted somewhere up the page a CBS bit which showed the email thing was impacting her standing among independents. I know people want to ignore this and wish it away, but this is going to be an ugly campaign and she can’t let what everybody knows is a nontroversy affect her this far out.
Now I reeeely gotta goo.

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withak  May 5, 2016 • 9:54:05am

re: #419 freetoken

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Sounds more like a diplomatic reset then bowing, IMO. We’ll see how Trump responds, if he does so at all.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 9:54:34am

re: #419 freetoken

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That’s disappointing. He doesn’t owe Trump shit.

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 9:54:46am

re: #400 darthstar

This. I know some people here think I hate Hillary (I don’t. I just don’t trust her. And yes, I’m very critical of her. In the words of today’s politicians, I’ll vote for her but I won’t endorse her.). My biggest (one of them, I suppose) concern is her complacency. She really seems to just dismiss anything and anyone that she finds not important. She dismissed Sanders when she had a 60 point lead, and now that she’s inevitable, she’s dismissing him again. It’s one thing to stop buying advertising. It’s another to say you don’t need to because of the math. She should have won Indiana easily. It’s not a progressive state. It wasn’t Republicans voting for Bernie that took it away from her - they voted for Trump.

If she can lose a 60 point lead to an old socialist in 6 months, holding a 13 point lead over a reality TV star/billionaire isn’t going to be a cakewalk.

So Bernie burned up $2.5 million against her and won…what, 6 delegates? Which was wiser at this point: Spending money hiring staff in battleground states for the general election or burning up money contesting a state that is a blip on the radar?

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 9:55:06am

re: #424 withak

Sounds more like a diplomatic reset then bowing, IMO. We’ll see how Trump responds, if he does so at all.

On second thought, I think you may be right there. He may be in effect be saying to Trump “This is how an actual leader acts, here I am, act like one.”

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Jenner7  May 5, 2016 • 9:56:44am

Darth,

If you’re that worried, maybe you should urge your candidate to suspend his campaign and get his supporters behind the nominee.

??

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freetoken  May 5, 2016 • 9:58:06am

re: #424 withak

re: #425 HappyWarrior

Of course it is posturing on the part of Fox.

It’s pretty formulaic : the way to keep one in the headlines is to attach oneself to someone who is making headlines.

Still, as we saw earlier with Grassley, politicians will find ways to rationalize their support for Drumpfskind.

By summer Drumpfskind will have lined up a broad array of demi-celebs to big names who will endorse him. I expect a great movement towards Drumpfskind.

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wrenchwench  May 5, 2016 • 10:01:21am

re: #402 BlueSpotinAL

Posted First LGF Page, on why the General Election will suck because of Magic Balance Fairy

Post this again with a link to the Page.

/Lazy, I am.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 5, 2016 • 10:02:33am

I’m going to bed, folks. Try not to beat any more dead horses while I’m gone, OK?

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 10:03:48am

re: #429 freetoken

Of course it is posturing on the part of Fox.

It’s pretty formulaic : the way to keep one in the headlines is to attach oneself to someone who is making headlines.

Still, as we saw earlier with Grassley, politicians will find ways to rationalize their support for Drumpfskind.

By summer Drumpfskind will have lined up a broad array of demi-celebs to big names who will endorse him. I expect a great movement towards Drumpfskind.

Yeah, that’s true. Man I am still wrapping my head around the very real fact that the R’s are very likely going to nominate this guy this summer. It’s just unreal.

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Kragar  May 5, 2016 • 10:06:15am
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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  May 5, 2016 • 10:06:17am

re: #408 Jenner7

This is a bullshit Bernie talking point. He says this at every rally. The fact is, she was up that much because the primary had just started and people didn’t know much about Bernie. AND, ANY candidate running against Hillary would have polled the same.

The Democratic Primary has been all about demographic projections. Polling doesn’t have the same weight. Plus, it is against Indiana law to do robo-polling, so any polling done had to be human to human. All of this means less meaningful results and little in long-term trends to make any Indiana polling really worth a damn.

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Bubblehead II  May 5, 2016 • 10:07:38am

re: #423 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I think she should keep giving interviews. Nobody’s going to turn her down. Beyond that, she’s the candidate, it’s her responsibility to keep things like this from needlessly impacting her standing with the public. I posted somewhere up the page a CBS bit which showed the email thing was impacting her standing among independents. I know people want to ignore this and wish it away, but this is going to be an ugly campaign and she can’t let what everybody knows is a nontroversy affect her this far out.
Now I reeeely gotta goo.

Thing is, the E-Mail server flap has been shown to be a nothing burger. tRump is going to have something a hell of a lot worse to deal with in a couple of months.

Trump fights summer trial in Trump University lawsuit

Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump is fighting efforts to hold a trial in a federal class-action lawsuit over his Trump University real-estate program either just before or after the Republican National Convention in July.

He may still have to testify during a NY State case as well.

New York Attorney General’s Suit Against Trump University May Proceed, Court Rules

Either case is going to make tRump look bad and will easily eclipse the E-Mail flap.

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 10:07:51am

re: #431 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’m going to bed, folks. Try not to beat any more dead horses while I’m gone, OK?

Some of them like it.

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lawhawk  May 5, 2016 • 10:08:56am

The US will survive a Trump presidency, they say…

Right. Rome survived Nero and Caligula too. And the Year of 5 emperors (193).

I’ve read my Suetonius. I know how unqualified people can become leader of the greatest power of the day and age, but what separates Trump from the Roman equivalents is the fact that Trump would have the physical power to wipe any/every nation off the face of the planet.

His domestic policies would be disastrous and long lasting (how many decades did it take to roll back segregation - and we’re still dealing with consequences of that that were baked into urban policy, economic policy, and criminal justice systems). There are a lot of people who would be safely ensconced away from the upheaval and consequences of his actions. This election isn’t about them. It’s about everyone else. It’s about the people who will suffer all kinds of consequences from GOP policies - like seeing their health care access cut, family planning/birth control access further limited, women and minority rights hit, LBGT rights rolled back, etc.

This is what the election is about. And it goes way beyond Trump, since many of these policies percolate up from the local level - NC HB2 anyone.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 10:10:22am

As I said yesterday, we have to make the GOP own Trump because as I’ve said, it’s not just him and it’s never been just him.

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darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 10:11:19am

re: #426 Targetpractice

So Bernie burned up $2.5 million against her and won…what, 6 delegates? Which was wiser at this point: Spending money hiring staff in battleground states for the general election or burning up money contesting a state that is a blip on the radar?

Fiscally, that’s a great argument. But nobody likes being called a blip on the radar.

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Stanley Sea  May 5, 2016 • 10:12:04am

re: #437 lawhawk

The US will survive a Trump presidency, they say…

Right. Rome survived Nero and Caligula too. And the Year of 5 emperors (193).

I’ve read my Suetonius. I know how unqualified people can become leader of the greatest power of the day and age, but what separates Trump from the Roman equivalents is the fact that Trump would have the physical power to wipe any/every nation off the face of the planet.

His domestic policies would be disastrous and long lasting (how many decades did it take to roll back segregation - and we’re still dealing with consequences of that that were baked into urban policy, economic policy, and criminal justice systems). There are a lot of people who would be safely ensconced away from the upheaval and consequences of his actions. This election isn’t about them. It’s about everyone else. It’s about the people who will suffer all kinds of consequences from GOP policies - like seeing their health care access cut, family planning/birth control access further limited, women and minority rights hit, LBGT rights rolled back, etc.

This is what the election is about. And it goes way beyond Trump, since many of these policies percolate up from the local level - NC HB2 anyone.

Oh, he’s just Berlusconi……Or Mussolini

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Eventual Carrion  May 5, 2016 • 10:13:19am

re: #433 Kragar

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I wished all my friends on Facebook a happy Sink of Mayo earlier this morning.

Sink of Mayo
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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 10:13:40am

re: #439 darthstar

Fiscally, that’s a great argument. But nobody likes being called a blip on the radar.

A lot more folks didn’t like being told they lived in red states that didn’t matter in November and that they’re too “conservative” to ever have bought into what Bernie had to sell. Or that their failure to sign onto his campaign meant they simply weren’t informed enough about him. Did you know he marched with Dr. King?

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wrenchwench  May 5, 2016 • 10:14:39am

re: #439 darthstar

Fiscally, that’s a great argument. But nobody likes being called a blip on the radar.

Particularly Bernie Sanders.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 10:15:32am

re: #442 Targetpractice

A lot more folks didn’t like being told they lived in red states that didn’t matter in November and that they’re too “conservative” to ever have bought into what Bernie had to sell. Or that their failure to sign onto his campaign meant they simply weren’t informed enough about him. Did you know he marched with Dr. King?

This.

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darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 10:17:11am

re: #437 lawhawk

We survived Reagan.
We survived Bush.

I’m more worried about the effects of Congress on the country than I am the president.

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wrenchwench  May 5, 2016 • 10:17:32am

re: #444 HappyWarrior

This.

He’s on a roll.

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darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 10:18:48am

re: #443 wrenchwench

Particularly Bernie Sanders.

Touche.

I love Bernie. I’ll miss the fight for 15 and the thought that this country is big enough and strong enough and sensible enough to make public education free to all.

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withak  May 5, 2016 • 10:18:49am

re: #442 Targetpractice

A lot more folks didn’t like being told they lived in red states that didn’t matter in November and that they’re too “conservative” to ever have bought into what Bernie had to sell. Or that their failure to sign onto his campaign meant they simply weren’t informed enough about him. Did you know he marched with Dr. King?

Or being told that they’ve been actually supporting a stealth Republican deathhawk all this time.

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lawhawk  May 5, 2016 • 10:19:30am

re: #445 darthstar

Hence my last sentence:

This is what the election is about. And it goes way beyond Trump, since many of these policies percolate up from the local level - NC HB2 anyone.

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Belafon  May 5, 2016 • 10:19:53am

re: #445 darthstar

We survived Reagan.
We survived Bush.

I’m more worried about the effects of Congress on the country than I am the president.

I’m kind of worried about the Supreme Court, which is heavily influenced by the presidency.

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Belafon  May 5, 2016 • 10:21:07am

re: #447 darthstar

Touche.

I love Bernie. I’ll miss the fight for 15 and the thought that this country is big enough and strong enough and sensible enough to make public education free to all.

I love this country, but we are nowhere close, as a country, sensible enough to make public education free for all.

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Kragar  May 5, 2016 • 10:21:22am

“They said it’s typical to always receive some type of bruising and other times have bled from the swats,” the social worker testified. “The children told me they were fearful. They did not want to return to their mother.”

A sheriff’s deputy testified that one boy who fled told investigators that his mother had beaten one sibling until the child’s nose bled — and continued to beat the child.

“He described a spanking that consisted of 47 swats,” the deputy testified. “He described that after 27 spankings, the child started to bleed from the nose, and 20 more spanks occurred after that.”

Sharp admitted to using a rod to punish her children.

“A lot of my friends know that I use a rod,” Sharp testified. “That is not a secret.”

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wrenchwench  May 5, 2016 • 10:21:49am

re: #447 darthstar

Touche.

I love Bernie. I’ll miss the fight for 15 and the thought that this country is big enough and strong enough and sensible enough to make public education free to all.

I’m hoping it’s ready for a woman in charge.

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 10:22:20am

re: #445 darthstar

We survived Reagan.
We survived Bush.

Many Iraqis and nuns didn’t. But you’re privileged not to have been them.

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blueraven  May 5, 2016 • 10:24:26am
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wrenchwench  May 5, 2016 • 10:24:30am

re: #452 Kragar

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Fascism begins at home.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 10:24:40am

I’m on board with Bernie’s ideas. The problem is I see little from him in the terms of actually working towards a Congress that would be favorable towards the causes he wants. He’s actually said that he expects people to just take to protesting if Congress rejects his proposals. I can’t begin to tell you how hopelessly naive that is.

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makeitstop  May 5, 2016 • 10:25:13am

So much concern up in here.

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Kragar  May 5, 2016 • 10:25:19am
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darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 10:25:45am

re: #442 Targetpractice

A lot more folks didn’t like being told they lived in red states that didn’t matter in November and that they’re too “conservative” to ever have bought into what Bernie had to sell. Or that their failure to sign onto his campaign meant they simply weren’t informed enough about him. Did you know he marched with Dr. King?

Yep. That was a shitty thing for him to say about the red states.

But if you’re still angry at Berniebots or Berniebros or Berniecrats or whatever cute nickname people have for his supporters, get over it. They’re no different than Hillary’s PUMA people from 2008. Yeah, they’re a bunch of fucking assholes. I’ve been saying as much for months.

At some point Hillary needs to reach out to them. Maybe that point isn’t for another five months. I suspect it’ll be sooner though and all this indignation at their nerve will be but a fond memory.

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goddamnedfrank  May 5, 2016 • 10:26:17am
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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 10:26:30am

re: #459 Kragar

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Uh huh.

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lawhawk  May 5, 2016 • 10:26:34am

re: #458 makeitstop

So much concern up in here.

I see what you did there. / Those who are concerned are themselves concerned.

Sackings will occur at 5pm. Delays possible due to inebriation.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  May 5, 2016 • 10:27:48am

re: #460 darthstar

Yep. That was a shitty thing for him to say about the red states.

But if you’re still angry at Berniebots or Berniebros or Berniecrats or whatever cute nickname people have for his supporters, get over it. They’re no different than Hillary’s PUMA people from 2008. Yeah, they’re a bunch of fucking assholes. I’ve been saying as much for months.

At some point Hillary needs to reach out to them. Maybe that point isn’t for another five months. I suspect it’ll be sooner though and all this indignation at their nerve will be but a fond memory.

I believe that the BernieBros will wind up finding themselves with as nearly as few numbers as the PUMAS did. There probably won’t be that many of them.

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darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 10:27:50am

re: #450 Belafon

I’m kind of worried about the Supreme Court, which is heavily influenced by the presidency.

Yeah, that’s a big one, I agree. One nice thing about the Trump candidacy is Republicans are calling on the Senate to approve Obama’s SCOTUS pick now. We’ll see if McConnell flinches.

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lawhawk  May 5, 2016 • 10:28:12am
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withak  May 5, 2016 • 10:29:09am

re: #466 lawhawk

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Area Billionaire Makes Shit Up as He Goes Along, film at 11.

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Tigger2  May 5, 2016 • 10:29:47am

re: #460 darthstar

Yep. That was a shitty thing for him to say about the red states.

But if you’re still angry at Berniebots or Berniebros or Berniecrats or whatever cute nickname people have for his supporters, get over it. They’re no different than Hillary’s PUMA people from 2008. Yeah, they’re a bunch of fucking assholes. I’ve been saying as much for months.

At some point Hillary needs to reach out to them. Maybe that point isn’t for another five months. I suspect it’ll be sooner though and all this indignation at their nerve will be but a fond memory.

At some point Sanders needs to reach out to his supporters and tell them to get on board so we can stop Trump. Bernie knows he’s not going to win.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 5, 2016 • 10:30:16am

re: #59 BlackPearl

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darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 10:30:27am

re: #464 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

I believe that the BernieBros will wind up finding themselves with as nearly as few numbers as the PUMAS did. There probably won’t be that many of them.

There have never been that many of them. But you only need a couple of assholes and a shitload of retweeters to make them sound like they’re legion.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 10:30:57am

re: #460 darthstar

Yep. That was a shitty thing for him to say about the red states.

But if you’re still angry at Berniebots or Berniebros or Berniecrats or whatever cute nickname people have for his supporters, get over it. They’re no different than Hillary’s PUMA people from 2008. Yeah, they’re a bunch of fucking assholes. I’ve been saying as much for months.

At some point Hillary needs to reach out to them. Maybe that point isn’t for another five months. I suspect it’ll be sooner though and all this indignation at their nerve will be but a fond memory.

How’s she supposed to reach out to them when they’re the ones who will happily use right wing rhetoric to shit on Clinton? Obama didn’t reach out to the PUMAs. Clinton to her credit ended up being a great surrogate for Obama. The question is can Bernie do the same for Clinton and if he can’t be a good surrogate, why should he have considered trusting him with leadership of the party? Party politics is a team sport, something that I think has been lost on Bernie from the start.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2016 • 10:31:12am

re: #440 Stanley Sea

Oh, he’s just Berlusconi……Or Mussolini

Imagine if Donald Trump owned CNN and Fox Television…that is what Italy had with Berlusconi.

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darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 10:31:17am

re: #468 Tigger2

At some point Sanders needs to reach out to his supporters and tell them and tell them to get on board so we can stop Trump. Bernie knows he’s not going to win.

Give it four weeks. There will be five months left after that to stop Trump.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 5, 2016 • 10:31:26am

That fire up in CA just keeps going.

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Kragar  May 5, 2016 • 10:32:01am
476
Skip Intro  May 5, 2016 • 10:32:18am

re: #466 lawhawk

Shaky stats? How about bogus ones?

Is that so hard to say?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 5, 2016 • 10:33:30am

re: #474 klys (maker of Silmarils)

And by CA I mean Canada which can be abbreviated that way.

I need to wake up.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 10:33:52am

Ire: #475 Kragar

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So Dole is a no go too. I was assuming this would be likely either way since he’s the oldest of them and has been said to be in poor health lately.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2016 • 10:34:10am

re: #475 Kragar

Wow. Every single GOP President/past GOP nominee for President is skipping this year’s GOP convention. Way to go,

They are making arrangements to relocate their assets as far offshore as possible…

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Barefoot Grin  May 5, 2016 • 10:34:28am

re: #475 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Maybe they can tempt them with a Kid Rock performance.

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Belafon  May 5, 2016 • 10:34:49am

re: #470 darthstar

There have never been that many of them. But you only need a couple of assholes and a shitload of retweeters to make them sound like they’re legion.

Which never really affected the outcome in 2008.

The outreach by Clinton will have to be through Sanders, because there’s no real way to reach Sanders supporters if they’re not willing to support Clinton (and she’d spend forever trying to reach these few). This means Sanders has to be ready to treat her has the nominee. Which, I’ve stated before, doesn’t have to happen until after June 4th, but it will need to not too long after then. And my optimism says he will, and will start convincing his supporters to.

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Tigger2  May 5, 2016 • 10:35:09am

re: #473 darthstar

Give it four weeks. There will be five months left after that to stop Trump.

I wouldn’t mind the 4 weeks if the Bernie supporters would stop trashing Hillary and doing the Republicans work for them.

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Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 10:35:20am

re: #460 darthstar

Yep. That was a shitty thing for him to say about the red states.

But if you’re still angry at Berniebots or Berniebros or Berniecrats or whatever cute nickname people have for his supporters, get over it. They’re no different than Hillary’s PUMA people from 2008. Yeah, they’re a bunch of fucking assholes. I’ve been saying as much for months.

At some point Hillary needs to reach out to them. Maybe that point isn’t for another five months. I suspect it’ll be sooner though and all this indignation at their nerve will be but a fond memory.

My opinion about the Bernie Bros and the entire #BernieorBust crowd is they go piss up a rope. The bulk of his supporters have been telling pollsters for weeks they will support Hillary if she wins the nomination and are not the assholes on Twitter repeating wingnut attacks and spreading hashtags like #WhichHillary. Spending her time on them would be a waste that could better go to appealing to Republicans who are only reluctantly supporting the GOP by this point. That might actually yield dividends.

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Dr. Matt  May 5, 2016 • 10:35:41am

This pic really captures the snake oil salesman/pimp essence of Trump

This pic really captures the snake oil salesman/pimp essence of Trump
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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 10:37:28am

re: #482 Tigger2

I wouldn’t mind the 4 weeks if the Bernie supporters would stop trashing Hillary and doing the Republicans work for them.

This, I really don’t care if Bernie stays in the race. It’s his money he’s burning but I do want him if he’s going to remain to direct his energy at Trump. That’s what he should have been focusing on the minute that it became apparent that Clinton was going to be the nominee. He needs to stop lying to his supporters that they somehow have a chance and this crap about how FDR won a brokered convention is just shit. I’m sorry but do NOT complain about party politics and then say you’re going to use the party convention even though most Democrats prefer your opponent to swing it in your favor. I’m also tired of the bitching about the closed primaries too. The man is running for the Democratic Party’s nomination and I really think he forgets that sometimes.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  May 5, 2016 • 10:37:35am

There are some Sanders supporters who have attitudes like: Not any blue will do, and other purity progressive types of ideas, I think most will end up voting for Clinton, even as a vote against Trump. But those purity thoughts can have grave consequences. I know someone who was elected because just enough Democrats did not vote for the Democratic nominee as he politically ran away from President Obama.(A move I also hated, but it in no way was going to make me not vote for him)

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darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 10:37:49am

re: #475 Kragar

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They’ll be able to hold the GOP convention at the Day’s Inn beside the breakfast buffet at this rate.

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Charles Johnson  May 5, 2016 • 10:38:10am
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CuriousLurker  May 5, 2016 • 10:39:07am

I’m not unconcerned about Trump being the GOP nominee, but Republican voters alone cannot put him in the White House.

Below are the numbers Gallup has through the first week of April 2016 (going back to 2014). There are more tables at the link. It’ll be interesting to see what things look like for May. If I were a gambler, I’d wager that the gap will widen where Independents are concerned—and they have historically been the deciding factor—due to Trump’s presumptive GOP nominee status. Any who may have been sitting on the fence have most likely jumped down (onto the Dem side) screaming, with their hair on fire:

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 10:39:13am

re: #488 Charles Johnson

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I can’t think of a time Milo’s ever been right.

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b.d.  May 5, 2016 • 10:39:18am

re: #488 Charles Johnson

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Charles, sometimes you are only 90% always wrong.

//

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 5, 2016 • 10:40:25am

re: #487 darthstar

They’ll be able to hold the GOP convention at the Day’s Inn beside the breakfast buffet at this rate.

Please tell me that Clint Eastwood is speaking at this year’s convention.

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b.d.  May 5, 2016 • 10:40:44am

re: #487 darthstar

They’ll be able to hold the GOP convention at the Day’s Inn beside the breakfast buffet at this rate.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 10:41:22am

And as for the hated superdelegates. Bernie may actually have some if he actually had shown a desire over the years to work for the election of other like minded Democrats. This isn’t the man that I want as the fact of the Democratic Party. I don’t mind him caucusing as a Democrat but he’s a bad choice to be the face of the party. There’s so many faults with him that gets overlooked that make me genuinely worry about how he’d be as president.

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darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 10:42:05am

re: #482 Tigger2

I wouldn’t mind the 4 weeks if the Bernie supporters would stop trashing Hillary and doing the Republicans work for them.

They’ll make as much of a difference in the election as the racists trashing Obama in 2012 did.

This would be a lot easier if we didn’t have the Internet. We’d just watch the campaigns in the evening and read about them in the papers (large thin slices of compressed wood pulp with lettering on it).

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withak  May 5, 2016 • 10:42:08am

re: #493 b.d.

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Really scraping the bottom of the barrel there. Who is Robert Davi?

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Charles Johnson  May 5, 2016 • 10:43:25am
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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 10:43:48am

re: #496 withak

Really scraping the bottom of the barrel there. Who is Robert Davi?

Voight may be the only one I sort of respect but he’s gone so stupid right wing in recent years.

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Tigger2  May 5, 2016 • 10:43:49am

re: #492 I Would Prefer Not To

Please tell me that Clint Eastwood is speaking at this year’s convention.

No, it will be Bobby Knight and he will talk to the chair then throw it across the stage.

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Bass Reeves  May 5, 2016 • 10:44:06am

re: #495 darthstar

So you think the racists trashing Obama = Berniebros attacking Hillary? If so…what exactly does that say about them and their progressiveness?

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 10:44:25am

re: #499 Tigger2

No, it will be Bobby Knight and he will talk to the chair then throw it across the stage.

Tom Brady will be there to deflate the balls of all the Republicans.

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b.d.  May 5, 2016 • 10:44:37am

re: #496 withak

Really scraping the bottom of the barrel there. Who is Robert Davi?

Teh Google says he is an actor.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 5, 2016 • 10:44:40am

re: #496 withak

Robert Davi

Second-tier actor.

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Kragar  May 5, 2016 • 10:44:55am

re: #488 Charles Johnson

Well, you were wrong about the GOP for all those year, but then again, so were a lot of us.
///

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freetoken  May 5, 2016 • 10:45:12am

re: #503 Eric The Fruit Bat

Second-tier actor.

But played neat supporting characters.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 5, 2016 • 10:45:54am

I have zero desire to go do my exercise this morning.

Of course, I had zero desire to read another foray into the e-mail server, so I guess we all have to do things we don’t want to occasionally.

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Barefoot Grin  May 5, 2016 • 10:46:13am

re: #503 Eric The Fruit Bat

Second-tier actor.

But classy.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 10:48:40am

I am actually saddened that Eastwood’s embraced this shit. A lot of his stated views don’t show him to be right wing and I won’t dismiss his talent just because I disagree with him but WTF Clint.

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withak  May 5, 2016 • 10:49:04am

re: #498 HappyWarrior

Voight may be the only one I sort of respect but he’s gone so stupid right wing in recent years.

Respect him for his acting chops, but that’s about it.

So, we’ve got…

An aging actor who also happens to be the estranged father of Angelina Jolie, and apparently a giant asshole;
a literally pants-shitting-insane rock-n-roll has-been, who’s also a loudmouthed racist bigot;
a sample-stealing “musician” whose 25-plus-year career has gone on about 24 years too long, and peaked with a song called “Bawitdaba;”
some soap opera/model pretty boy;
a fake-beard reality TV duck hunter/bigot; and
one of the bad guys from The Goonies.

Quite the stable of A-list celeb Talent for Trump(tm) there.

510
jaunte  May 5, 2016 • 10:49:12am

re: #458 makeitstop

So much concern up in here.

I have concerns concerning your concern over the concern.

511
Dave In Austin  May 5, 2016 • 10:49:22am

re: #492 I Would Prefer Not To

Please tell me that Clint Eastwood is speaking at this year’s convention.

Will he be speaking to an empty biscuit?

512
darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 10:49:40am

re: #500 Bass Reeves

So you think the racists trashing Obama = Berniebros attacking Hillary? If so…what exactly does that say about them and their progressiveness?

No, I just said that the people attacking Hillary (Berniebros, Trump supporters, disaffected Trekkies, whatever) right now won’t have an impact on the general election.

It’s just a little bit of noise that gets a lot of attention.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 10:49:54am

re: #509 withak

Respect him for his acting chops, but that’s about it.

So, we’ve got…

An aging actor who also happens to be the estranged father of Angelina Jolie, and apparently a giant asshole;
a literally pants-shitting-insane rock-n-roll has-been, who’s also a loudmouthed racist bigot;
a sample-stealing “musician” whose 25-plus-year career has gone on about 24 years too long, and peaked with a song called “Bawitdaba;”
some soap opera/model pretty boy;
a fake-beard reality TV duck hunter/bigot; and
one of the bad guys from The Goonies.

Quite the stable of A-list celeb Talent for Trump(tm) there.

Yeah it’s the acting only I guess.

514
HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 10:50:26am
515
Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 10:52:02am

re: #506 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I have zero desire to go do my exercise this morning.

Of course, I had zero desire to read another foray into the e-mail server, so I guess we all have to do things we don’t want to occasionally.

This thread has actually been very easy to read. Except for all the scrolling.

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Barefoot Grin  May 5, 2016 • 10:53:01am

A truck’s back-up beeper has been going off outside my window for several minutes, it seems. If I don’t take a walk I’m gonna strangle some of the faculty-staff.

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wrenchwench  May 5, 2016 • 10:53:15am

I love science. Especially food science.

518
jaunte  May 5, 2016 • 10:53:22am

Interesting to see if the base will be aware of it.

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Kragar  May 5, 2016 • 10:53:49am
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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 10:54:09am

re: #518 jaunte

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Interesting to see if the base will be aware of it.

Makes sense.

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Nyet  May 5, 2016 • 10:54:58am

re: #519 Kragar

Just get three empty chairs and invite Clint. There, solved.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 5, 2016 • 10:55:00am

re: #519 Kragar

prediction: GOP convention this summer will be shortened, in part b/c party won’t be able to fill out primetime lineup of willing speakers

The highlight will be Clint Eastwood talking to an empty chair and then Boob Knight tossing it across the stage…

523
jaunte  May 5, 2016 • 10:55:27am

re: #520 HappyWarrior

Not that he was actually a populist, with the “you people are paid too much” message.

524
Bass Reeves  May 5, 2016 • 10:56:01am

re: #512 darthstar

Once we’ve determined that they won’t make a difference, can we stop being concerned about them? I literally am more concerned about what build I’m going to play next in Grim Dawn than I am about the Bernieorbust idiots.

Which reminds me, I need to buy beer.

525
HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 10:56:31am

re: #523 jaunte

Not that he was actually a populist, with the “you people are paid too much” message.

He still is a populist but he was and always is a right wing populist that uses racism rather than income inequality. You’re right and I hope that’s something the Clinton campaign has on file because the working class people supporting him need to see that shit. He doesn’t give two shits about them.

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Tigger2  May 5, 2016 • 10:57:24am

re: #523 jaunte

Not that he was actually a populist, with the “you people are paid too much” message.

Now that was a very populist statement to the 1%.

527
jaunte  May 5, 2016 • 10:57:32am

re: #525 HappyWarrior

I’ll bring the jobs back! (with a 90% pay cut)

528
jaunte  May 5, 2016 • 10:58:20am

Every man a king of his own chicken pot.

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Franklin  May 5, 2016 • 10:58:28am

re: #523 jaunte

Not that he was actually a populist, with the “you people are paid too much” message.

Not all populism is good. But it’s still populism.

530
Tigger2  May 5, 2016 • 10:58:36am

re: #526 Tigger2

Now that was a very populist statement to the 1%.

So Bass you’re a 1%er

531
Targetpractice  May 5, 2016 • 11:00:24am

re: #519 Kragar

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To which Trump’s fan club will be thrilled because they’ll see it as “proof” that he’s a “man of the people,” that the “professional” politicians aren’t lining up to sing his praises. That the less time spent at the convention is a good thing because it means he’s not part of “the establishment.”

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2016 • 11:02:13am

re: #531 Targetpractice

To which Trump’s fan club will be thrilled because they’ll see it as “proof” that he’s a “man of the people,” that the “professional” politicians aren’t lining up to sing his praises. That the less time spent at the convention is a good thing because it means he’s not part of “the establishment.”

I still can’t get around the making Donald Trump out to be the establishment. The man is the personification of the word. We’re talking about a man whjo took a million dollar loan from his Daddy and just shrugged it off.

533
darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 11:06:03am

re: #517 wrenchwench

I love science. Especially food science.

[Embedded content]

Good read…thanks. Now I want to make an angel food cake.

534
wrenchwench  May 5, 2016 • 11:07:56am

re: #533 darthstar

Good read…thanks. Now I want to make an angel food cake.

Me too! An urge I’ve never had before!

535
darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 11:08:28am

re: #524 Bass Reeves

Once we’ve determined that they won’t make a difference, can we stop being concerned about them? I literally am more concerned about what build I’m going to play next in Grim Dawn than I am about the Bernieorbust idiots.

Which reminds me, I need to buy beer.

Wouldn’t that be nice? But so long as he’s in the race, people will bitch about his supporters.

536
lawhawk  May 5, 2016 • 11:22:04am

re: #521 Nyet

Just get three empty chairs and invite Clint. There, solved.

3 chairs, 2 guys. Clint and Bobby. Clint starts talking to chair 1. Bobby hurls chair. Repeat for other 2 chairs.

537
Stanley Sea  May 5, 2016 • 11:22:36am

re: #527 jaunte

I’ll bring the jobs back! (with a 90% pay cut)

Oh no, now his scheme is he will get people jobs for MORE than minimum wage.

America is so dumbed down I want to puke.

538
Franklin  May 5, 2016 • 11:23:13am

re: #536 lawhawk

3 chairs, 2 guys. Clint and Bobby. Clint starts talking to chair 1. Bobby hurls chair. Repeat for other 2 chairs.

Or as it’s more commonly called : “Wingnut Musical Chairs”

539
Backwoods_Sleuth  May 5, 2016 • 11:24:38am

re: #447 darthstar

Touche.

I love Bernie. I’ll miss the fight for 15 and the thought that this country is big enough and strong enough and sensible enough to make public education free to all.

You’re kidding, right?
All of that will absolutely END, not to return?
Bernie was going to to do it all by himself and without him everyone will just sadly trudge home, never to believe anymore or carry on the fight or continue to try to make a difference?
It’s all over???

How sad.

540
darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 11:38:42am

re: #539 Backwoods_Sleuth

You’re kidding, right?
All of that will absolutely END, not to return?
Bernie was going to to do it all by himself and without him everyone will just sadly trudge home, never to believe anymore or carry on the fight or continue to try to make a difference?
It’s all over???

How sad.

Hillary wants to fight for 12 - so that’s something (only 480 dollars a month less than one would make at 15, but what can anyone do with $500?).
And she wants to make it easier to repay student loans. That’s almost like free education.

It’s not that he would have done it on his own. He would have rallied people to demand it from their congressmen and that in turn might have made these things possible in four years. I’m 52 now. I make well into six figures. I don’t intend to go back to school. This isn’t something I wanted for myself.

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darthstar  May 5, 2016 • 11:41:02am

re: #540 darthstar

Hillary wants to fight for 12 - so that’s something (only 480 dollars a month less than one would make at 15, but what can anyone do with $500?).
And she wants to make it easier to repay student loans. That’s almost like free education.

It’s not that he would have done it on his own. He would have rallied people to demand it from their congressmen and that in turn might have made these things possible in four years. I’m 52 now. I make well into six figures. I don’t intend to go back to school. This isn’t something I wanted for myself.

And yes, I would pay more in taxes for these things.

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makeitstop  May 5, 2016 • 11:52:51am

re: #510 jaunte

I have concerns concerning your concern over the concern.

I know. It’s most definitely concerning.


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St. Vincent Performs ‘Los Ageless’ One of Stephen's very favorite singer-songwriters collaborates with three pairs of boots to perform a song off her new album "Masseduction". Subscribe To "The Late Show" Channel HERE: bit.lyFor more content from "The Late Show with Stephen Colbert", click ...
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Star Wars: The Last Jedi Trailer (Official) Watch the new trailer for Star Wars: The Last Jedi and see it in theaters December 15. Get your tickets now: fandango.com Visit Star Wars at starwars.comSubscribe to Star Wars on YouTube at youtube.comLike Star Wars on Facebook at ...
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Brazil Branches of US-Based Church Target of Numerous Probes Church Based human trafficking and forced labor -- it's just religious freedom in action.../// When workers made a mistake, such as cutting a frame too short, she says they were screamed at and sometimes even hit to expunge the ...
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