North Carolina Sues Justice Department, DOJ Sues NC Over “Bathroom Bill”

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The Republican cavemen of North Carolina decided to sue the Justice Department to try to preserve HB2, the bill that enshrines gender-based discrimination as law. So the Justice Department is countersuing: NC and Department of Justice Sue Each Other Over State’s ‘Bathroom Bill’.

The video above shows U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch’s statement on this ridiculous situation; and I’m calling it “ridiculous” because I’m pretty sure men who do creepy things in public restrooms don’t dress as women to do it.

It’s just ludicrous beyond belief that Republicans are making this an issue at all, and now they’re going to waste public money to defend outright bigotry.

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295 comments

1
freetoken  May 9, 2016 • 3:55:16pm

Well, this is kind of thing ought to put a bit more urgency into the whole fight over the Supreme Court nomination.

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MsJ  May 9, 2016 • 3:55:32pm

What republicans see as good governance of taxpayer dollars.

And why republicans should never be in charge of government. Anywhere. At any level.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 9, 2016 • 3:55:34pm

Things I define as creepy: men following women into the restroom to determine if that’s the restroom they “should” be using.

Thanks, NC, for encouraging this.

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Skip Intro  May 9, 2016 • 3:56:16pm

This was in my local paper today.

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b_sharp  May 9, 2016 • 3:56:41pm

Who the hell is “Bathroom Bill?”

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thedopefishlives  May 9, 2016 • 3:57:09pm

re: #5 b_sharp

Who the hell is “Bathroom Bill?”

He’s the creepy guy who hangs out in the bathroom to make sure you’re a woman and you’re doing woman-y things.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 9, 2016 • 3:57:24pm

re: #5 b_sharp

Who the hell is “Bathroom Bill?”

Pat McCrory’s new nickname?

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freetoken  May 9, 2016 • 3:57:35pm

Christian fundamentalism (and probably other forms of religion) are greatly about sex.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 3:59:57pm

re: #8 freetoken

Christian fundamentalism (and probably other forms of religion) are greatly about sex.

But not about great sex.

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wrenchwench  May 9, 2016 • 4:00:52pm

The RWNJs think that God told you what bathroom to use when you were born. Was that in the Bible?

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Reality Based Steve  May 9, 2016 • 4:02:54pm

It’s just ludicrous beyond belief that Republicans are making this an issue at all, and now they’re going to waste public money to defend outright bigotry.

It’s what they do. The fact that there have been 0 incidents of trans folk molesting anybody in a rest room is immaterial. The fact that things like peeping toms and people taking pictures over the stall in dressing rooms is already illegal and nothing in the law changes that is immaterial to their agenda.

They create an issue where there is no problem, so that they can then engage in the great grift.

RBS

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Der Flohgeisteffekt  May 9, 2016 • 4:03:06pm

Just a reminder: the rest of the bill also messes with civil rights of LGBT people *and* dicks with local ordinances about minimum wage.

It is a fucking smorgasbord of horseshit and there is more than one reason for DOJ to piss on it from great height.

P.S. Assaulting or harassing another person in a bathroom is inappropriate and awful regardless of the set of genders involved. The image of “little girls bothered by men disguised as trans women” glides around the general problem of “men who feel entitled to grab, touch, and harass women of any age in any setting” that conservatives not only have no answer for, but pettifog and victim-blame rather than address.

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b.d.  May 9, 2016 • 4:09:59pm

Time for another round of boycott announcements

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Skip Intro  May 9, 2016 • 4:11:09pm

Philippines’ Donald Trump claims victory in presidential election

Rodrigo Duterte, the tough-talking mayor in Philippines who tapped into middle class frustrations over rising crime and inefficient public services, claimed victory in the country’s presidential election.

With 87 percent of polling stations reporting, Duterte won 38.6 percent of the ballots cast in an election on Monday marred by violence and delays. His closest rival was Mar Roxas, a former government minister, who had 23 percent support.

Eager to break the establishment mold exemplified by outgoing President Benigno Aquino, voters embraced Duterte’s tough-guy approach to reduce traffic jams on Manila’s congested roads and curb crime. His support didn’t falter through a campaign that saw him make light of a rape incident, deny accusations of undeclared wealth and repeatedly back the extra-judicial killing of criminals.

aljazeera.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 4:11:15pm

re: #12 Der Flohgeisteffekt

Just a reminder: the rest of the bill also messes with civil rights of LGBT people *and* dicks with local ordinances about minimum wage.

It is a fucking smorgasbord of horseshit and there is more than one reason for DOJ to piss on it from great height.

P.S. Assaulting or harassing another person in a bathroom is inappropriate and awful regardless of the set of genders involved. The image of “little girls bothered by men disguised as trans women” glides around the general problem of “men who feel entitled to grab, touch, and harass women of any age in any setting” that conservatives not only have no answer for, but pettifog and victim-blame rather than address.

It’s just another instance of holding straight men to the lowest possible standard.

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EPR-radar  May 9, 2016 • 4:11:48pm

re: #2 MsJ

What republicans see as good governance of taxpayer dollars.

And why republicans should never be in charge of government. Anywhere. At any level.

Republicans need this kind of circus to try to distract people from the inconvenient truth that disasters like the Flint water situation are to be expected whenever and wherever Republican are put in charge of things.

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goddamnedfrank  May 9, 2016 • 4:12:01pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 4:12:08pm

re: #14 Skip Intro

Philippines’ Donald Trump claims victory in presidential election

aljazeera.com

Christ. The whole damn world’s gone stupid.

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Timothy Watson  May 9, 2016 • 4:13:39pm

re: #15 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s just another instance of holding straight men to the lowest possible standard.

The soft bigotry of low expectations, perhaps?

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 4:15:21pm

re: #19 Timothy Watson

The soft bigotry of low expectations, perhaps?

Yeah, although the bigotry ends up turned inside-out, so that everyone else carries the burden of straight male privilege.

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Testy Toad T  May 9, 2016 • 4:15:40pm

Honestly, this is the weirdest wedge issue ever.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 9, 2016 • 4:16:42pm

re: #18 Blind Frog Belly White

Christ. The whole damn world’s gone stupid.

John Oliver - Rodrigo Duterte, ‘Trump of the East’

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 4:17:52pm

re: #21 Testy Toad T

Honestly, this is the weirdest wedge issue ever.

Sadly, it even works on otherwise reasonable people, like my sister. She worries about her granddaughter using public restrooms where straight men dressed as women might hang out waiting to do … what, exactly? She didn’t have an answer for that. Nor did she have an answer for why she thought this was likely to be a problem.

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TK-421  May 9, 2016 • 4:18:23pm

Ryan says he would step down as convention chair if Trump asks

House Speaker Paul Ryan said Monday that if Donald Trump wants him to step down as a chairman of the GOP convention, he will respect his wishes.

“He’s the nominee. I’ll do whatever he wants with respect to the convention,” Ryan said when asked about that scenario in an interview with the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

Ryan said he hopes he and Trump can begin to get to know each other when they meet later this week.

“I just want to get to know the guy … we just don’t know each other,” said Ryan, who delivered a political bombshell last Thursday when he said he wasn’t ready yet to support his party’s presumptive nominee.

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EPR-radar  May 9, 2016 • 4:23:16pm

re: #21 Testy Toad T

Honestly, this is the weirdest wedge issue ever.

Actually it makes perfect sense for the GOP to try to use this as a wedge issue.

The GOP bullshit that this is all about keeping perverts out of women’s restrooms will be accepted 100% by the GOP base, and will also have significant traction for people who are completely clueless about trans- issues.

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Reality Based Steve  May 9, 2016 • 4:23:31pm

re: #23 Blind Frog Belly White

Sadly, it even works on otherwise reasonable people, like my sister. She worries about her granddaughter using public restrooms where straight men dressed as women might hang out waiting to do … what, exactly? She didn’t have an answer for that. Nor did she have an answer for why she thought this was likely to be a problem.

And unless I’m horribly mistaken, don’t the stalls have, oh, what are those things called, you know, the things that open and close…. oh yea….DOORS?

Idiots. Willful hateful idiots.

RBS

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makeitstop  May 9, 2016 • 4:24:15pm

re: #24 TK-421

Ryan says he would step down as convention chair if Trump asks

All these supposed tough-guy Republicans sure do wimp out.

Every one of them has shown their belly to Prince Tiny Fingers. That dude must have some hellacious blackmail material.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 9, 2016 • 4:24:37pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 9, 2016 • 4:25:06pm

re: #26 Reality Based Steve

And unless I’m horribly mistaken, don’t the stalls have, oh, what are those things called, you know, the things that open and close…. oh yea….DOORS?

Idiots. Willful hateful idiots.

RBS

I am here to confirm that yes, every women’s restroom I have ever been in has doors to the stalls.

And I’ve been in my fair share over the past 30 years.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 9, 2016 • 4:25:09pm
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Barefoot Grin  May 9, 2016 • 4:25:41pm

In my late teens, early twenties—for reasons I know not of—I got stage fright in public restrooms. A real pain at concerts and sporting events when you really have to go and have been waiting in line and there’s a line behind you. They should come up with a bill to stop that problem. And maybe now have small sanitary napkins like a pirate’s patch next to the urinals for older fellers like me to wrap across the eye when I’m done so I don’t got no dribble in ma trousers.

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Jebediah, RBG  May 9, 2016 • 4:25:58pm

re: #27 makeitstop

That dude must have some hellacious blackmail material.

I thought I just saw something a few days ago where a Trump blackmail threat worked on the Rickettses(?)

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 9, 2016 • 4:27:38pm

re: #32 Jebediah, RBG

Hmmm… I remember him threatening them. Not aware that it may have “worked”.

But I believe this. I bet he has dirt on tons of “important” people.

I can’t believe other people don’t have dirt on him. Like, tons of it.

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Timothy Watson  May 9, 2016 • 4:27:45pm

re: #30 The Vicious Babushka

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…Wait, I thought criminals don’t follow laws so they’re useless.

At least, that’s the reason we shouldn’t even try to restrict criminals’ access to firearms according to conservatives.

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EPR-radar  May 9, 2016 • 4:28:15pm

re: #27 makeitstop

All these supposed tough-guy Republicans sure do wimp out.

Every one of them has shown their belly to Prince Tiny Fingers. That dude must have some hellacious blackmail material.

I think much of the doglike servility exhibited by Republicans as they fawn submissively over Trump is simply because Trump is a rich white male asshole.

According to wingnut propaganda, that is by far the highest form of human life, and lower orders should behave appropriately.

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Skip Intro  May 9, 2016 • 4:28:18pm

re: #27 makeitstop

All these supposed tough-guy Republicans sure do wimp out.

Every one of them has shown their belly to Prince Tiny Fingers. That dude must have some hellacious blackmail material.

I don’t think there’s any doubt about that. Trump owns them all, and more than a few media hacks as well.

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jaunte  May 9, 2016 • 4:29:22pm

Our local idjits in Texas are jumping on to the anti-transgender bandwagon.

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thedopefishlives  May 9, 2016 • 4:30:02pm

re: #21 Testy Toad T

Honestly, this is the weirdest wedge issue ever.

Welcome to the religious right.

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Skip Intro  May 9, 2016 • 4:30:40pm

re: #38 thedopefishlives

It’s always been about our precious bodily fluids.

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EPR-radar  May 9, 2016 • 4:32:24pm

re: #39 Skip Intro

It’s always been about our precious bodily fluids.

The other eternal verity here is that social conservatives are perpetually haunted by the thought that someone, somewhere, might be enjoying life.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 9, 2016 • 4:33:18pm
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Patricia Kayden  May 9, 2016 • 4:33:23pm

re: #30 The Vicious Babushka

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??? Transgender women have been using the women’s bathrooms forever without any incidents of concern. Therefore there is no need for the so-called bathroom bills. What is so confusing about that?

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 4:34:19pm

re: #30 The Vicious Babushka

Wait, what?

Isn’t rape itself illegal?

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Reality Based Steve  May 9, 2016 • 4:35:49pm

I’ve posted this before, but feel free to spread it around.

Dear GOP,

You want people to use the restroom that matches their birth gender.

This is Shawn Stinson, he’s a champion body builder.

Shawn was born a woman, so he’ll be using the restroom right next to your wife.

Aren’t you glad you have such strong convictions?

Ball is in your court GOP.

RBS

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The Vicious Babushka  May 9, 2016 • 4:37:20pm

re: #42 Patricia Kayden

??? Transgender women have been using the women’s bathrooms forever without any incidents of concern. Therefore there is no need for the so-called bathroom bills. What is so confusing about that?

They want to force transwomen to use the MEN’S toilet. You know, where they are likely to be raped and/or beaten.

Baby Whiplash’s fever fantasy of little girls seeing a penis in the ladies’ room is just his crazed fetish. I am surprised that Mrs. Shapiro has never explained to him how women’s restrooms actually work.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 4:38:28pm

re: #45 The Vicious Babushka

They want to force transwomen to use the MEN’S toilet. You know, where they are likely to be raped and/or beaten.

Baby Whiplash’s fever fantasy of little girls seeing a penis in the ladies’ room is just his crazed fetish. I am surprised that Mrs. Shapiro has never explained to him how women’s restrooms actually work.

Even men’s rooms don’t work like that. If you see somebody else’s dick when you’re in there, even using a urinal, it’s because you’re doing something you shouldn’t be.

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Timothy Watson  May 9, 2016 • 4:39:47pm

re: #45 The Vicious Babushka

They want to force transwomen to use the MEN’S toilet. You know, where they are likely to be raped and/or beaten.

Baby Whiplash’s fever fantasy of little girls seeing a penis in the ladies’ room is just his crazed fetish. I am surprised that Mrs. Shapiro has never explained to him how women’s restrooms actually work.

I really don’t want to go down the rabbit hole of Ben Shaprio’s marital relationship. First we would have to see why his wife has no problem with him spending all day on Twitter bashing Obama while she’s giving birth.

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TK-421  May 9, 2016 • 4:40:13pm

re: #46 Blind Frog Belly White

I can vouch for this.

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thedopefishlives  May 9, 2016 • 4:40:31pm

re: #47 Timothy Watson

I really don’t want to go down the rabbit hole of Ben Shaprio’s marital relationship. First we would have to see why his wife has no problem with him spending all day on Twitter bashing Obama while she’s giving birth.

Are you kidding, she probably kicked his dumb ass out of the hospital entirely for the duration. I would.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 9, 2016 • 4:40:52pm

re: #47 Timothy Watson

I really don’t want to go down the rabbit hole of Ben Shaprio’s marital relationship. First we would have to see why his wife has no problem with him spending all day on Twitter bashing Obama while she’s giving birth.

I think he has mentioned that his wife is North African, which would be the Jewish equivalent of a HAW.

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b.d.  May 9, 2016 • 4:43:52pm

The wingnuts pick the strangest hills to die upon.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2016 • 4:43:54pm

I remember Bryan Fischers tweet about having a “stack” of 15 incidents of people being raped/abused in restrooms and I got to thinking: There must be over a billion bathrooms in this country. Even if all those 15 incidents actually DID happen, 15 / 1 000 000 000 is an insanely low percentage of problems. Much too low that new laws are necessary for it.

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jaunte  May 9, 2016 • 4:45:38pm

re: #51 b.d.

It’s getting hard for Republican pols to find bogey-men to scare the base with.

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Stanley Sea  May 9, 2016 • 4:47:19pm

re: #45 The Vicious Babushka

They want to force transwomen to use the MEN’S toilet. You know, where they are likely to be raped and/or beaten.

Baby Whiplash’s fever fantasy of little girls seeing a penis in the ladies’ room is just his crazed fetish. I am surprised that Mrs. Shapiro has never explained to him how women’s restrooms actually work.

She’s too busy giving birth.

He’s such an asshole, sitting in the waiting room tweeting bs.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2016 • 4:47:27pm

re: #24 TK-421

Ryan says he would step down as convention chair if Trump asks

One of the things I appreciate about a parliamentary system like we have in Canada is each party has an internally elected defined leader who basically acts much like the CEO of a company would in determining and shaping policy for the party, keeping everyone unfied as much as possible and, when need be, making disciplinary decisions with regards to ethics and other violations of party members.

Here, Reince is just throwing Trump the fucking keys without giving two shits about whether or not he’ll promtply drive the car off a cliff.

There’s no adult in the room, no leadership. It’s deplorable.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 9, 2016 • 4:47:37pm

re: #42 Patricia Kayden

??? Transgender women have been using the women’s bathrooms forever without any incidents of concern. Therefore there is no need for the so-called bathroom bills. What is so confusing about that?

This is like the third post I’ve seen with something like “twitter widget class equals blah-blah-blah…. Is my browser just not rendering something it should be? It won’t render Facebook posts, but they’re just blank….

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Timothy Watson  May 9, 2016 • 4:48:42pm

re: #56 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

This is like the third post I’ve seen with something like “twitter widget class equals blah-blah-blah…. Is my browser just not rendering something it should be? It won’t render Facebook posts, but they’re just blank….

The original tweet is showing for me but I’m getting HTML code in the block quotes of responses.

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jaunte  May 9, 2016 • 4:49:59pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 4:50:25pm

So my Wingnut cousin liked a Franklin Graham post about Caitlyn Jenner posing nude for Sports Illustrated wearing nothing but her Decathlon medal and a flag:

What happens when you remove biblical standards and leadership from a country? Moral bankruptcy, that’s what. As our culture abandons its once cherished Judeo-Christian foundation and values, godly traditions disappear and we sink deeper into secularism. Headlines every day reveal what a sad state we’re in.

I wonder, when exactly was this godly time of Judeo-Christian values and godly traditions?

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Reality Based Steve  May 9, 2016 • 4:50:44pm

re: #55 Eclectic Cyborg

One of the things I appreciate about a parliamentary system like we have in Canada is each party has an internally elected defined leader who basically acts much like the CEO of a company would in determining and shaping policy for the party, keeping everyone unfied as much as possible and, when need be, making disciplinary decisions with regards to ethics and other violations of party members.

Here, Reince is just throwing Trump the fucking keys without giving two shits about whether or not he’ll promtply drive the car off a cliff.

There’s no adult in the room, no leadership. It’s deplorable.

Part of me likes to think that the GOP is actually planning on letting Trump drive it off the cliff, then after the loss the far RWNJs all spawn off into their own “True Conservative Party”, and the GOP can become a center-right party that is concerned about all Americans.

I then realize that I’m assuming WAY too much that simply isn’t in evidence.

RBS

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Timothy Watson  May 9, 2016 • 4:51:02pm

re: #58 jaunte

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Oh God, Crowder, I had almost forgotten about that toolbag.

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Reality Based Steve  May 9, 2016 • 4:52:52pm

re: #59 Blind Frog Belly White

So my Wingnut cousin liked a Franklin Graham post about Caitlyn Jenner posing nude for Sports Illustrated wearing nothing but her Decathlon medal and a flag:

I wonder, when exactly was this godly time of Judeo-Christian values and godly traditions?

oh, you know, the 40s and 50s. Probably the 1840’s and 50’s especially.

RBS

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thedopefishlives  May 9, 2016 • 4:52:53pm

re: #57 Timothy Watson

The original tweet is showing for me but I’m getting HTML code in the block quote of my comment.

Looks like the Twitter widget is borked. Either Twitter or Charles messed with teh codez.

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b_sharp  May 9, 2016 • 4:53:06pm

re: #58 jaunte

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If you aren’t following Matthew, you should.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 9, 2016 • 4:53:56pm

re: #59 Blind Frog Belly White

So my Wingnut cousin liked a Franklin Graham post about Caitlyn Jenner posing nude for Sports Illustrated wearing nothing but her Decathlon medal and a flag:

I wonder, when exactly was this godly time of Judeo-Christian values and godly traditions?

Was it when Jewish men were getting extremely painful operations to reverse their circumcisions so they wouldn’t be laughed at exercising naked in the gymnasium? Was that long enough ago?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 9, 2016 • 4:55:18pm

re: #49 thedopefishlives

He’s Orthodox-he probably wasn’t even there.

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TK-421  May 9, 2016 • 4:55:29pm

re: #58 jaunte

I can think of 2. Fucking asshole.

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thedopefishlives  May 9, 2016 • 4:56:08pm

re: #66 Eric The Fruit Bat

He’s Orthodox-he probably wasn’t even there.

I know little of Orthodox tradition, but it’s as good a reason as any I’ve heard.

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Charles Johnson  May 9, 2016 • 4:57:41pm

re: #63 thedopefishlives

Looks like the Twitter widget is borked. Either Twitter or Charles messed with teh codez.

Twitter is changing the way embedded tweets work:

twittercommunity.com

If everybody reloads the page, I just added some new Javascript code that should make those <twitterwidget> tags stop appearing in quoted comments.

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goddamnedfrank  May 9, 2016 • 4:58:23pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 4:58:59pm

re: #65 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Was it when Jewish men were getting extremely painful operations to reverse their circumcisions so they wouldn’t be laughed at exercising naked in the gymnasium? Was that long enough ago?

YIKES!!

I’m pretty sure it was back in the era when “…men were real men, women were real women and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.”

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calochortus  May 9, 2016 • 4:59:02pm

re: #68 thedopefishlives

I know little of Orthodox tradition, but it’s as good a reason as any I’ve heard.

I remember the All in the Family episode where Gloria and Michael were planning for the arrival of their baby. Michael wasn’t at all sure he wanted to be in the delivery room. Gloria informed him in no uncertain terms that he was there to place the order, and he’d better be there for the delivery.

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b_sharp  May 9, 2016 • 4:59:50pm

V has blood in her eye right now and it’s giving her a headache. She’s going in for laser treatment tomorrow morning but in the meantime she’s wearing headphones over the eye to kill the light. (Inventive solution to the problem)

She looks like a Borg pirate.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 5:00:11pm

re: #70 goddamnedfrank

Wow. I’ve seen that kind of sentiment before, but…wow. How far up your own ass do you have to be for that to make sense?

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Nyet  May 9, 2016 • 5:00:18pm

The channel run by a protofascist govt tries to promote 3rd parties in the US. Because of course it does.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 9, 2016 • 5:00:53pm

re: #75 Nyet

Ah, yes, the true Democrats!

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Charles Johnson  May 9, 2016 • 5:01:07pm

Yep, I just checked in Chrome, and sure enough, embedded tweets aren’t using iframes any more in that browser — they’re now using a cutting edge feature called the “shadow DOM.” That’s why those HTML tags were appearing in quoted comments. Fixed now, but you’ll have to reload to get our new Javascript installed.

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thedopefishlives  May 9, 2016 • 5:01:55pm

re: #75 Nyet

Jill Freakin’ Stein? That’s what they went with? Really?

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thedopefishlives  May 9, 2016 • 5:02:41pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

Yep, I just checked in Chrome, and sure enough, embedded tweets aren’t using iframes any more in that browser — they’re now using a cutting edge feature called the “shadow DOM.” That’s why those HTML tags were appearing in quoted comments. Fixed now, but you’ll have to reload to get our new Javascript installed.

And how long, oh lizard overlord, shall those of us who lurk in Spy mode have to wait?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 9, 2016 • 5:03:49pm

re: #60 Reality Based Steve

If Ryan were smart, he should just hand the convention keys over to The Donald and say: “It’s all yours” (especially now since there’s a “He said, he said” fight going on over an alleged phone call between Trump and Ryan that allegedly happened within the last week.)

THEN you’ll see some real behind-the-scenes action.

We’re living in interesting times for sure (aka “The Chinese Curse”….)

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jaunte  May 9, 2016 • 5:04:07pm

re: #52 Eclectic Cyborg

I remember Bryan Fischers tweet about having a “stack” of 15 incidents of people being raped/abused in restrooms

Did he ever specify even one of them, so it could be checked?

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Timothy Watson  May 9, 2016 • 5:05:30pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

Yep, I just checked in Chrome, and sure enough, embedded tweets aren’t using iframes any more in that browser — they’re now using a cutting edge feature called the “shadow DOM.” That’s why those HTML tags were appearing in quoted comments. Fixed now, but you’ll have to reload to get our new Javascript installed.

If I was more witty and not as tired, I would work “shadow DOM” and “shadow government” into a great joke.

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majii  May 9, 2016 • 5:05:58pm

re: #59 Blind Frog Belly White

The hypocrisy in this is that your cousin and others like her will never purchase the SI edition that Jenner would appear in as described. It appears to me that they just want something to b*tch about and would like the opportunity to run their lives and ours. In my case, it’s not gonna happen.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 5:06:06pm

You know, I can understand not wanting to intervene abroad, for any number of reasons including pacifism. Lord knows, we’ve made a total dog’s breakfast of many such interventions.

The thing is, bad shit happens to innocent people, lots and lots of it. There’s the Rwanda genocide - took place entirely without our participation. Suppose we could have prevented that?

Should we draw a bright line around ANY possible intervention?

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Charles Johnson  May 9, 2016 • 5:06:16pm

re: #79 thedopefishlives

And how long, oh lizard overlord, shall those of us who lurk in Spy mode have to wait?

The Spy js code is now updated too.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 9, 2016 • 5:06:18pm

re: #75 Nyet

Well, Jill Stein is an unvarnished lunatic.

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thedopefishlives  May 9, 2016 • 5:06:48pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

The Spy js code is now updated too.

You are, as always, the greatest, boss.

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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 5:07:24pm

Wife to Etsy seller: I really like the handmade cutting board made with the inlay United States Navy symbol. Just what I need, price is right. Hub would like it as a disabled Navy veteran. Where are they made and where is your business?

Etsy seller: They are proudly made of the finest North Carolina hardwood, and our business is in Asheville.

Wife: I’m sorry, I cannot purchase it then because of your HB-2 bill that discriminates against disabled veterans. Can you recommend someone else?

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 5:08:11pm

Now the ‘quote’ button isn’t working.

Nevermind.

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Charles Johnson  May 9, 2016 • 5:08:26pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 9, 2016 • 5:09:10pm

re: #84 Blind Frog Belly White

I met someone who said just that. Made my blood boil. Of course, the way he talked about things, he was likely a crypto-racist.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 5:10:43pm

re: #83 majii

The hypocrisy in this is that your cousin and others like her will never purchase the SI edition that Jenner would appear in as described. It appears to me that they just want something to b*tch about and would like the opportunity to run their lives and ours. In my case, it’s not gonna happen.

Him, actually, but that’s neither here nor there.

You’re right, he’ll never purchase that issue. It just bothers him, apparently, that it’s allowed to exist. This despite the fact that he’s constantly liking posts complaining about government overreach.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 9, 2016 • 5:11:18pm

re: #75 Nyet

Stein was on BBC World Service’s “Business Matters” a few days ago….as an ANALYST!

bbc.co.uk

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The Vicious Babushka  May 9, 2016 • 5:12:42pm

re: #65 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Was it when Jewish men were getting extremely painful operations to reverse their circumcisions so they wouldn’t be laughed at exercising naked in the gymnasium? Was that long enough ago?

That would have been in Maccabean times, about 200 BCE

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EPR-radar  May 9, 2016 • 5:13:37pm

re: #74 Blind Frog Belly White

Wow. I’ve seen that kind of sentiment before, but…wow. How far up your own ass do you have to be for that to make sense?

So far you can look out at the world through your mouth.

Any idiot that burbles on about how a Trump presidency would be good for progressive unity is too stupid to function in society. That kind of thinking got us W Bush in 2000.

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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 5:14:13pm

re: #59 Blind Frog Belly White

So my Wingnut cousin liked a Franklin Graham post about Caitlyn Jenner posing nude for Sports Illustrated wearing nothing but her Decathlon medal and a flag:

I wonder, when exactly was this godly time of Judeo-Christian values and godly traditions?

The slavery part? The Jim Crow part?

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EPR-radar  May 9, 2016 • 5:16:26pm

re: #92 Blind Frog Belly White

Him, actually, but that’s neither here nor there.

You’re right, he’ll never purchase that issue. It just bothers him, apparently, that it’s allowed to exist. This despite the fact that he’s constantly liking posts complaining about government overreach.

So-con wingnuts are impossible of recognizing the concept of government overreach in connection with their pathological sexual obsessions.

For them this is just promotion of virtue and prevention of vices, and in some magical way this is not an example of big government in action.

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Charles Johnson  May 9, 2016 • 5:17:01pm

Sirota’s Berniebro fans are still tweeting insults and asinine comments at me. Somebody just sent me a GIF of somebody puking. These are such lovely people.

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jaunte  May 9, 2016 • 5:18:27pm

I look forward to the hot take from Ben Shapiro.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 5:20:38pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

Sirota’s Berniebro fans are still tweeting insults and asinine comments at me. Somebody just sent me a GIF of somebody puking. These are such lovely people.

“If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face GIF of someone puking, repeating over and over - forever.” - NOT George Orwell.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 5:22:02pm

re: #96 Anymouse

The slavery part? The Jim Crow part?

The part where we killed millions of people and stole their land? The part where we didn’t let women own property? Or refuse their husbands sex on demand?

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EPR-radar  May 9, 2016 • 5:24:35pm

re: #101 Blind Frog Belly White

The part where we killed millions of people and stole their land? The part where we didn’t let women own property? Or refuse their husbands sex on demand?

The part where women and children were legal non-entities, thereby making rape of women or children a property crime against their adult male owner?

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The Vicious Babushka  May 9, 2016 • 5:24:51pm

TEH SMELLING SALTS!!!! PASS THEM TO BABY WHIPLASH, HE HAZ TEH VAPORZ!!!1!!!

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Charles Johnson  May 9, 2016 • 5:25:13pm
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Reality Based Steve  May 9, 2016 • 5:25:14pm

Nice shout-out to Charles from The Wonkette on the DimJim Hajib story.

wonkette.com

RBS

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Kragar  May 9, 2016 • 5:26:06pm
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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 5:27:18pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

I for one will welcome my new Clintonian overloards - Anymouse.

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calochortus  May 9, 2016 • 5:28:17pm

re: #103 The Vicious Babushka

TEH SMELLING SALTS!!!! PASS THEM TO BABY WHIPLASH, HE HAZ TEH VAPORZ!!!1!!!

[Embedded content]

Sigh. I’ll admit I have slightly less than no interest in seeing Caitlyn Jenner nude. I will deal with this massive issue in my life by not looking at the magazine.
What will I do with all the spare time created by having dealt with this so quickly?

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Bubblehead II  May 9, 2016 • 5:28:43pm

Is this what Berinie wants?

Cal Smith - Jason’s Farm

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2016 • 5:30:12pm

I think it’s funny about the wingnuts complaining Clinton is too old.

They apparently don’t realize or don’t care that their “God among men” hero Ronald Reagan was the oldest person to EVER become President. He was inagurated 6 days shy of his 70th birthday.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 5:30:27pm

re: #108 calochortus

Sigh. I’ll admit I have slightly less than no interest in seeing Caitlyn Jenner nude. I will deal with this massive issue in my life by not looking at the magazine.
What will I do with all the spare time created by having dealt with this so quickly?

I’m sure the loss of a sale they would never have made to you in the first place will be more than compensated by all the SoCons buying the issue to be outraged at it.

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Reality Based Steve  May 9, 2016 • 5:31:32pm

re: #108 calochortus

Sigh. I’ll admit I have slightly less than no interest in seeing Caitlyn Jenner nude. I will deal with this massive issue in my life by not looking at the magazine.
What will I do with all the spare time created by having dealt with this so quickly?

You could use the time to not-panic about trans folks in rest room. And if you have time left, perhaps a calming breath while you contemplate the impending NON-destruction of America due to immigration.

RBS
Edited to add NON-, that’s what was supposed to be there, I’m blaming Charles for it falling out. ////

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calochortus  May 9, 2016 • 5:32:02pm

re: #111 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m sure the loss of a sale they would never have made to you in the first place will be more than compensated by all the SoCons buying the issue to be outraged at it.

I feel confident you are correct.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 5:32:08pm

re: #110 Eclectic Cyborg

I think it’s funny about the wingnuts complaining Clinton is too old.

They apparently don’t realize or don’t care that their “God among men” hero Ronald Reagan was the oldest person to EVER become President. He was inagurated 6 days shy of his 70th birthday.

She’s younger than anyone else still in the race, IIRC.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 9, 2016 • 5:32:25pm

re: #108 calochortus

I will deal with this massive issue in my life by not looking at the magazine.
What will I do with all the spare time created by having dealt with this so quickly?

If you’re not an alcoholic, drink heavily.

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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 5:32:45pm

Wife finds second Etsy seller.

Board says “For Periodic Use” (with a periodic table).

Wife: Where is your board made and where is your business?

Seller: We are in California and our wood is locally sourced.

Wife (breaks out MasterCard, buys two - one for her science teacher brother and one for us)

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calochortus  May 9, 2016 • 5:33:11pm

re: #112 Reality Based Steve

You could use the time to not-panic about trans folks in rest room. And if you have time left, perhaps a calming breath while you contemplate the impending destruction of America due to immigration.

RBS

Thank you for those useful suggestions. I can also use the time to not interfere in the personal decisions of other which have no effect on anyone but themselves.

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2016 • 5:34:14pm

Damn…I got busy earlier and missed the whole revolting revolution that was displayed in the previous thread.

I have never understood how political arguments can come down to black and white, one versus the other. Politics just never works that way.

But this is the election cycle of 2016. This one is going down in history for sure…and we are we are just 1/4 of the way past. The conventions are the other 1/4 and then the big 1/2 starts.

Won’t that be fun?

Over the last few days one thought has been going through my head. A whole hell of a lot of people are embarrassing themselves most likely in ways they never intended or thought they were capable of pulling off.

This election is making some people really stupid. I only hope that when it is over some of them reflect on some of the crap they said and come to grips with their temporary insanity or temper tantrums…whatever caused them to lose their judgment.

Thanks to Trump and Bernie the purity tests have never been stronger. Here is the thing though…no one human is pure…about anything.

As long as every one human realizes they are in fact human they might be able to convince themselves to climb down from that high horse and join the rest of us that realize some realities.

Good luck!

And I am mostly talking about politicians, their staff, the media (especially political pundits of all sides) and the America public in general…not necessarily LGF members.

It’s freaking nuts out there…

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2016 • 5:34:15pm

re: #114 Blind Frog Belly White

She’s younger than anyone else still in the race, IIRC.

You are correct. Hillary would be about 6 months younger than Reagan was at his Inaguration and Trump would be older as Trump will turn 70 in just a few months.

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Bubblehead II  May 9, 2016 • 5:36:24pm

Brother Jack, is the Bottle if you are that thick.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 5:36:52pm

re: #113 calochortus

I feel confident you are correct.

I may have mentioned that I grew up in a REALLY small town. So small that my own nuclear family constituted >1% of the town’s population.

Sometime back in the late 1970s, a young woman from our town posed for a pictorial in Hustler. The town took a kind of quiet - REALLY quiet - pride in that, and a small number of copies were purchased and circulated, discreetly.

Not quite the same thing, of course.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 9, 2016 • 5:37:04pm

So, this insane thing just showed up in my mentions==>
Blocked now.

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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 5:39:23pm

re: #122 The Vicious Babushka

So, this insane thing just showed up in my mentions==>
Blocked now.

LOLWUT? Boy I am glad I am not on Twitter. I just get the highlights here and at Wonkette.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2016 • 5:40:08pm

re: #122 The Vicious Babushka

I can’t help but think if our ancestors knew the kind of petty shit we bicker over these days they’d be like “what the fuck is wrong with you people?”.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 5:41:58pm

“Despicable and Disgraceful President of the United States EMPOWERING SEXUAL PREDATORS TO ENTER THE WOMEN’S RESTROOM!”

Apparently Obama has disabled the Anti-Predator Force Field that’s been keeping them out hitherto.
//

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jaunte  May 9, 2016 • 5:42:34pm

PolitiFact NC: Virtually no cases of sexual predators benefiting from transgender anti-discrimination laws

‘…After spending hours combing through conservative blogs and family values websites dedicated to news about transgender bathroom ordinances, we were able to confirm three cases in the United States in the last 17 years in which a biological male was convicted of a crime that involved him in a women’s bathroom or locker room and dressed as a woman.’
charlotteobserver.com

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Reality Based Steve  May 9, 2016 • 5:42:44pm

re: #122 The Vicious Babushka

So, this insane thing just showed up in my mentions==>
Blocked now.

[Embedded content]

I made the mistake of going and checking out that timeline. All I can say is…. DON’T DO IT!!!!

RBS

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 5:43:04pm

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

I can’t help but think if our ancestors knew the kind of petty shit we bicker over these days they’d be like “what the fuck is wrong with you people?”.

“In my day, bathrooms didn’t have a man or a woman on the door. They had a MOON on the door! And you wouldn’t hang out there longer than you absolutely had to!!!”

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jaunte  May 9, 2016 • 5:43:06pm

This is a crime wave on par with in-person voter fraud.

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thedopefishlives  May 9, 2016 • 5:43:38pm

re: #128 Blind Frog Belly White

“In my day, bathrooms didn’t have a man or a woman on the door. They had a MOON on the door! And you wouldn’t hang out there longer than you absolutely had to!!!”

Otherwise, you’d freeze to the bowl, and someone would have to come out and unfreeze your sorry ass.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 5:44:33pm

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

I can’t help but think if our ancestors knew the kind of petty shit we bicker over these days they’d be like “what the fuck is wrong with you people?”.

Although, to be fair, a lot of our ancestors might also look at our having a black President and say the same thing.

So, there’s that.

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freetoken  May 9, 2016 • 5:44:45pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 5:45:11pm

re: #130 thedopefishlives

Otherwise, you’d freeze to the bowl, and someone would have to come out and unfreeze your sorry ass.

That’s why there’s a baseball bat in the outhouse in the winter. To knock the tip off the mountain.

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2016 • 5:45:34pm

Has the Republican party ever passed the stage of young children playing Doctor?

I don’t think so.

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jaunte  May 9, 2016 • 5:45:49pm

Three cases in the United States in the last 17 years.
Compare to cases of people being shot by toddlers.

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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 5:46:37pm

re: #118 ObserverArt

Next: Anymouse uses his village board seat in a town of 128 to launch his Presidential campaign running on a platform of free beef and BS for all—stay tuned. /s

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 5:46:49pm

re: #134 ObserverArt

Has the Republican party ever passed the stage of young children playing Doctor?

I don’t think so.

They’ve reached the ‘Porky’s’ Stage of development.

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thedopefishlives  May 9, 2016 • 5:47:24pm

re: #136 Anymouse

Next: Anymouse uses his village board seat in a town of 128 to launch his Presidential campaign running on a platform of free beef and BS for all—stay tuned. /s

Hell, I’d vote for that.///

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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 5:47:57pm

re: #138 thedopefishlives

Hell, I’d vote for that.///

Momentum!!!one!!eleventy11!!

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Bubblehead II  May 9, 2016 • 5:48:08pm

Ummm BTW. Even back in the 60’s they knew how hypocritical they were.

Cal Smith - Margie’s At The Lincoln Park Inn.

Cal Smith - Margie’s At The Lincoln Park Inn

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Charles Johnson  May 9, 2016 • 5:48:13pm

I’ve been deluged with insults and abuse by Bernie Sanders supporters all fucking day, because I dared to suggest Barney Frank isn’t an evil corrupt tool of Wall Street, and I’m pretty close to going nuclear on some of these assholes.

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jaunte  May 9, 2016 • 5:48:47pm

‘Broad counts indicate that 21 toddlers shot and killed themselves or others in 2015’
snopes.com

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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 5:49:11pm

re: #141 Charles Johnson

I’ve been deluged with insults and abuse by Bernie Sanders supporters all fucking day, because I dared to suggest Barney Frank isn’t an evil corrupt tool of Wall Street, and I’m pretty close to going nuclear on some of these assholes.

Lemme get out of the blast radius.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 9, 2016 • 5:49:25pm

re: #141 Charles Johnson

I’ve been deluged with insults and abuse by Bernie Sanders supporters all fucking day, because I dared to suggest Barney Frank isn’t an evil corrupt tool of Wall Street, and I’m pretty close to going nuclear on some of these assholes.

Just make sure to let us in on the fun!

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freetoken  May 9, 2016 • 5:49:30pm
On HBO’s “Last Week Tonight” Sunday, Oliver highlighted the reasons scientific studies are so often misrepresented in the media. The comedian explained that to fill the demand for stories, producers often rush to report catchy-sounding papers without proper context.

No doubt about it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2016 • 5:51:16pm

re: #145 freetoken

Dude’s on a fucking comedy show and he gets more than most legit news outlets.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 5:52:18pm

re: #145 freetoken

No doubt about it.

Drives me buggy.

Then someone does another study which refines the original finding without refuting it, and the media claim “New study shows old study wrong!”

And the rubes say, “Science keeps changing its mind!”

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lawhawk  May 9, 2016 • 5:53:38pm

re: #141 Charles Johnson

Nuke ‘em from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 9, 2016 • 5:53:39pm

The Rude Pundit. Not suitable for work. Or Pharyngula. Seriously, they’ll rip you ten or twelve new ones:

5ycrfmZCk9kTji2mubaPb34C/oJ3zcp7b0DyXhZnaTExDFVmYK5+eMUkrP5gkNrfX4Qc/wBJUjAxGU4lBxec1FILJB2tMOTGzg/JUNbcrysHUt/yULoXd9o7hrcEglWIvHP/vYaqAuK4TjDsjjQ5qaGPcdQ8eU75BDsTfImkznD9grupYQoAAb5FP4mZXFpEjYFe88fYgABBuu4sdrpJjPlT6u4G5XDo0MBh9CZztmm6OZDG9qI6ze4IfEZgC218

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Reality Based Steve  May 9, 2016 • 5:54:42pm

re: #142 jaunte

‘Broad counts indicate that 21 toddlers shot and killed themselves or others in 2015’
snopes.com

But that creates no outrage at all, because it would require even the smallest bit of introspective thought on their part.

RBS

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FormerDirtDart  May 9, 2016 • 5:55:12pm

And so it begins…
If “sole surviving heir” claims don’t hit double digits I will be disappointed…

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Jenner7  May 9, 2016 • 5:55:46pm

United Shades of America on CNN, with Kamau Bell is pretty good. The episode with the KKK is wild.

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CleverToad  May 9, 2016 • 5:56:45pm

re: #128 Blind Frog Belly White

“In my day, bathrooms didn’t have a man or a woman on the door. They had a MOON on the door! And you wouldn’t hang out there longer than you absolutely had to!!!”

re: #130 thedopefishlives

Otherwise, you’d freeze to the bowl, and someone would have to come out and unfreeze your sorry ass.

“What is this ‘bowl’ whereof you speak?”
It was bare wood back before they prettied up the scout camp privies with paint and — getting fancy — the occasional plastic seat. (That’s when it wasn’t the privy pit you dug with an old Army shovel, in the days when there were a whole lot fewer people camping in the high country.)

Nothing like scaring the *$&*^$ out of the little first-year Brownie scouts by sneaking behind the back house and moaning “I am the Ghost of the Green Latrine….”

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 5:57:03pm

re: #142 jaunte

‘Broad counts indicate that 21 toddlers shot and killed themselves or others in 2015’
snopes.com

Apparently the Tree of Liberty requires more frequent waterings with the blood of toddlers then that of tyrants.

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freetoken  May 9, 2016 • 5:57:39pm

Headline writers strike again:

How Donald Trump is running to the left of Hillary Clinton

At a campaign rally here in one of the most liberal towns in America, Donald Trump offered praise for an ­unusual party: avowed democratic socialist Bernie Sanders.

The need to get clicks has driven media mad.

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Reality Based Steve  May 9, 2016 • 5:57:41pm

re: #139 Anymouse

Momentum!!!one!!eleventy11!!

Murids for ‘Merica

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jaunte  May 9, 2016 • 5:57:45pm

re: #150 Reality Based Steve

GUNGRABBERZ

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lawhawk  May 9, 2016 • 5:57:48pm

re: #150 Reality Based Steve

And 2016 is on pace to having an even worse toddler shot/kill rate.

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Bubblehead II  May 9, 2016 • 6:00:26pm

Lizard, going to call it a night. May the Deity of your choice smile down upon you and yours

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jaunte  May 9, 2016 • 6:01:29pm

I’m convinced that R politicians care absolutely nothing about the supposed danger to girls and young women from transgendered men because they know damn well it doesn’t exist. It’s just an easy way to rile up their crazy, bigoted supporters.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 9, 2016 • 6:02:29pm
The MODIS instrument on the Aqua satellite captured this image on May 08, 2016, of smoke from the Ft. McMurray wildfire and other Canadian wildfires billowing across the Atlantic Ocean. Credit: NASA Goddard MODIS Rapid Response
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Dave In Austin  May 9, 2016 • 6:03:03pm

PPP polls “Lice” higher than Donald Trump.

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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 6:03:56pm

re: #150 Reality Based Steve

But that creates no outrage at all, because it would require even the smallest bit of introspective thought on their part.

RBS

Well, the gun shop owner in my town (next door to my house) won’t sell AR-15s to toddlers, so there is that. /s

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lawhawk  May 9, 2016 • 6:04:48pm

re: #162 Dave In Austin

Newt’s getting a case of the butthurts.

Doesn’t like fact that Romney and GWHB and GWB are skipping out on the Trump trash train.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 6:05:03pm

re: #163 Anymouse

Well, the gun shop owner in my town (next door to my house) won’t sell AR-15s to toddlers, so there is that. /s

So they have to get an urchin to go in and buy for them?

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Shiplord Kirel  May 9, 2016 • 6:05:36pm

re: #141 Charles Johnson

I’ve been deluged with insults and abuse by Bernie Sanders supporters all fucking day, because I dared to suggest Barney Frank isn’t an evil corrupt tool of Wall Street, and I’m pretty close to going nuclear on some of these assholes.

Well, it’ll be fun to watch ‘em fight Alex Jones for the FEMA camp gruel rations.

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b_sharp  May 9, 2016 • 6:05:51pm

In the weird file for the day.

I just pulled a dog hair out of my foot. It had embedded itself 1/2” into the little toe pad and was starting to come out between my toes.

I had no idea dog hair was rigid enough to do that.

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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 6:06:01pm

re: #165 Blind Frog Belly White

So they have to get an urchin to go in and buy for them?

No straw around here, so they use corn stalk buyers.

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2016 • 6:06:32pm

re: #45 The Vicious Babushka

They want to force transwomen to use the MEN’S toilet. You know, where they are likely to be raped and/or beaten.

Baby Whiplash’s fever fantasy of little girls seeing a penis in the ladies’ room is just his crazed fetish. I am surprised that Mrs. Shapiro has never explained to him how women’s restrooms actually work.

He knows how they work…but that wouldn’t make for a good RWNJ Shapiro masterpiece of bullshit.

All these idiots know they are making something out of nothing to paint liberal progressive thinking as evil.

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FormerDirtDart  May 9, 2016 • 6:07:17pm
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sagehen  May 9, 2016 • 6:07:20pm

re: #106 Kragar

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In fairness, Hillary late in the 2008 primaries mentioned that one of the reasons she wouldn’t drop out until the end was RFK. That “you just never know.” That got her a vintage Keith Olberman “worst person in the world” segment.

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Belafon  May 9, 2016 • 6:07:44pm

Women have nothing to fear from men in the restrooms because women have guns. Doesn’t the second amendment take care of the issue?

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Reality Based Steve  May 9, 2016 • 6:08:16pm

re: #167 b_sharp

In the weird file for the day.

I just pulled a dog hair out of my foot. It had embedded itself 1/2” into the little toe pad and was starting to come out between my toes.

I had no idea dog hair was rigid enough to do that.

You may want to lock yourself inside a small inside room come the next full moon. Just saying….

RBS

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 9, 2016 • 6:08:39pm

re: #170 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

Not “Freedom Beer”?

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 6:09:19pm

re: #168 Anymouse

No straw around here, so they use corn stalk buyers.

That must play hell with people trying to make invalid arguments based on things others didn’t say!

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b_sharp  May 9, 2016 • 6:09:26pm

re: #173 Reality Based Steve

You may want to lock yourself inside a small inside room come the next full moon. Just saying….

RBS

Hmmm. Good point.

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2016 • 6:12:08pm

re: #59 Blind Frog Belly White

So my Wingnut cousin liked a Franklin Graham post about Caitlyn Jenner posing nude for Sports Illustrated wearing nothing but her Decathlon medal and a flag:

I wonder, when exactly was this godly time of Judeo-Christian values and godly traditions?

Back in the 50s. I think I saw it on “Leave it to Beaver” and some other TV shows that showed American Exceptionalism that no longer exists.

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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 6:13:17pm

Wife gets two paddle shaped cutting boards from the Etsy seller in California, says they’d be useful for more than the kitchen (hub shudders).

She told the Etsy seller she went to him she specifically went searching for a seller because of the North Carolina HB-2 bill.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 9, 2016 • 6:13:28pm

re: #170 FormerDirtDart

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I still won’t drink that crap.

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sagehen  May 9, 2016 • 6:13:36pm

re: #126 jaunte

PolitiFact NC: Virtually no cases of sexual predators benefiting from transgender anti-discrimination laws

‘…After spending hours combing through conservative blogs and family values websites dedicated to news about transgender bathroom ordinances, we were able to confirm three cases in the United States in the last 17 years in which a biological male was convicted of a crime that involved him in a women’s bathroom or locker room and dressed as a woman.’
charlotteobserver.com

For comparison… there’s been that many mass shootings THIS WEEK.

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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 6:14:27pm

re: #180 sagehen

Priorities, don’cha know.

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Patricia Kayden  May 9, 2016 • 6:14:46pm

re: #59 Blind Frog Belly White

So my Wingnut cousin liked a Franklin Graham post about Caitlyn Jenner posing nude for Sports Illustrated wearing nothing but her Decathlon medal and a flag:

I wonder, when exactly was this godly time of Judeo-Christian values and godly traditions?

Does your wingnut cousin know that Caitlin is a Republican who hates President Obama and Secretary Clinton?

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goddamnedfrank  May 9, 2016 • 6:15:22pm

Expecting my mentions to turn into a sewer any minute now.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 6:15:44pm

re: #126 jaunte

PolitiFact NC: Virtually no cases of sexual predators benefiting from transgender anti-discrimination laws

‘…After spending hours combing through conservative blogs and family values websites dedicated to news about transgender bathroom ordinances, we were able to confirm three cases in the United States in the last 17 years in which a biological male was convicted of a crime that involved him in a women’s bathroom or locker room and dressed as a woman.’
charlotteobserver.com

Didn’t I read somewhere that Lou Gohmert said HE’D dress as a woman to go into a Women’s Room?

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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 6:15:53pm

re: #182 Patricia Kayden

Does your wingnut cousin know that Caitlin is a Republican who hates President Obama and Secretary Clinton?

Well, wearing a flag violates the US Flag Code too, so there is that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 6:17:03pm

re: #184 Blind Frog Belly White

Didn’t I read somewhere that Lou Gohmert said HE’D dress as a woman to go into a Women’s Room?

Yep. He did.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 9, 2016 • 6:17:07pm

re: #179 GlutenFreeJesus

I still don’t drink that crap.

It doesn’t taste like it had mountain ash twigs soaking in it any more. Now it’s just average lousy. (And if I want average lousy, there are much cheaper alternatives.)

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2016 • 6:17:09pm

re: #71 Blind Frog Belly White

YIKES!!

I’m pretty sure it was back in the era when “…men were real men, women were real women and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.”

I know one thing…we had real whipping boys and strawmen back then too. Now we have whipping persons and strawpeople and that just isn’t the same.

A good American gets to hate who they really want to hate and not all this namby pamby liberal non-specific blurred lines BS!

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Reality Based Steve  May 9, 2016 • 6:17:20pm

re: #180 sagehen
After spending hours combing through conservative blogs and family values websites dedicated to news about transgender bathroom ordinances,

For comparison… there’s been that many mass shootings THIS WEEK.

is this some very weird RWNJ variation of Rule 34?

RBS

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Patricia Kayden  May 9, 2016 • 6:18:48pm

re: #160 jaunte

I’m convinced that R politicians care absolutely nothing about the supposed danger to girls and young women from transgendered men because they know damn well it doesn’t exist. It’s just an easy way to rile up their crazy, bigoted supporters.

It appears to be backfiring though. They’re running out of minority groups to target without consequences. So sad for them.

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Belafon  May 9, 2016 • 6:20:07pm

re: #189 Reality Based Steve

After spending hours combing through conservative blogs and family values websites dedicated to news about transgender bathroom ordinances,

is this some very weird RWNJ variation of Rule 34?

RBS

Rule .357.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2016 • 6:20:33pm

re: #190 Patricia Kayden

I’m just waiting for them to turn on evangleical Christians. You know it’s going to happen.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  May 9, 2016 • 6:21:45pm

re: #170 FormerDirtDart

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I wonder if that is due to the fact that the “Budweiser” trademark is not owned by Anheuser-Busch outside of the North American market.

Everywhere else in the world, This is what “Budweiser” looks like:

The Original
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 6:22:25pm

re: #193 Bill and Opus for 2016!

I wonder if that is due to the fact that the “Budweiser” trademark is not owned by Anheuser-Busch outside of the North American market.

Everywhere else in the world, This is what “Budweiser” looks like:

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Probably doesn’t taste like cold dog piss, either.

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Belafon  May 9, 2016 • 6:22:27pm

re: #190 Patricia Kayden

It appears to be backfiring though. They’re running out of minority groups to target without consequences. So sad for them.

In my home town, Rockwall, the mayor tried to get an ordinance passed because we have a Target, and one of the conservative voters told him she’d never vote for him again because she has a trans-daughter. I think we’ve crossed a boundary where Christians are finding out they have friends and relatives that are gay or trans.

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Jenner7  May 9, 2016 • 6:23:03pm
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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 6:23:17pm

re: #190 Patricia Kayden

It appears to be backfiring though. They’re running out of minority groups to target without consequences. So sad for them.

We atheists are preparing to be the next target.

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Belafon  May 9, 2016 • 6:23:40pm

re: #194 Blind Frog Belly White

Probably doesn’t taste like cold dog piss, either.

Just out of curiosity, who tested to see if it did taste like cold dog piss?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 9, 2016 • 6:24:40pm

re: #151 FormerDirtDart

It’ll be interesting to see if any of these claims pan out.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 9, 2016 • 6:24:43pm

re: #198 Belafon

Just out of curiosity, who tested to see if it did taste like cold dog piss?

It’s one of the Lot Release Assays.
///

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Reality Based Steve  May 9, 2016 • 6:26:00pm

re: #196 Jenner7

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The level of ‘smug ass superior looks’ on that is simply off the scale.

RBS

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goddamnedfrank  May 9, 2016 • 6:26:10pm
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ObserverArt  May 9, 2016 • 6:27:09pm

re: #106 Kragar

Bob Cesca ‎@bobcesca_go

Let’s be accurate. Susan Sarandon didn’t “hope for” or “wish for” Hillary Clinton to “develop health issues.” She mentioned as a possibility

Oh well then…that changes everything.

So I guess it is just fine mentioning Susan is possibly acting like a total asshole suffering from severe mental deficiency.

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stpaulbear  May 9, 2016 • 6:27:30pm

re: #183 goddamnedfrank

Expecting my mentions to turn into a sewer any minute now.

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goddamnedfrank  May 9, 2016 • 6:30:30pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 9, 2016 • 6:31:33pm

re: #196 Jenner7

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Belafon  May 9, 2016 • 6:34:09pm

re: #204 stpaulbear

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I wonder how many of those white Democrats who hate Obama voted for him in 2008 and 2012.

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goddamnedfrank  May 9, 2016 • 6:35:07pm

I like the question mark.

I’m Ron Burgundy?

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2016 • 6:36:57pm

re: #141 Charles Johnson

I’ve been deluged with insults and abuse by Bernie Sanders supporters all fucking day, because I dared to suggest Barney Frank isn’t an evil corrupt tool of Wall Street, and I’m pretty close to going nuclear on some of these assholes.

Remember how people used to try to convince you to change your vote/candidate? Not anymore…go for the throat. Just fuck you for not being a believer.

Yeah, that always works. Great way to build a consensus.

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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 6:39:33pm

re: #209 ObserverArt

Remember how people used to try to convince you to change your vote/candidate? Not anymore…go for the throat. Just fuck you for not being a believer.

Yeah, that always works. Great way to build a consensus.

We really don’t need a left-wing version of the Tea Party.

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Reality Based Steve  May 9, 2016 • 6:40:08pm

re: #209 ObserverArt

Remember how people used to try to convince you to change your vote/candidate? Not anymore…go for the throat. Just fuck you for not being a believer.

Yeah, that always works. Great way to build a consensus.

Why, there is the possibility that could lead to heated posts and severe butthurtz on a forum.

RBS

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 9, 2016 • 6:43:21pm

re: #211 Reality Based Steve

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2016 • 6:43:25pm

re: #155 freetoken

Headline writers strike again:

How Donald Trump is running to the left of Hillary Clinton

The need to get clicks has driven media mad.

To be fair the good old National Enquirer and other similar publications used similar sensationalism to sell crappy publications. The ‘net is just better at it because sometimes it seems you can’t get away from it and it can happen over and over sometimes many times a day. It used to take time to put together media like a newspaper. Now one person can be a Chuck C. Johnson and actually get some traction.

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gocart mozart  May 9, 2016 • 6:44:17pm
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Jebediah, RBG  May 9, 2016 • 6:44:33pm

re: #167 b_sharp

My wife was just telling me the other day that she has had them act like splinters.

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Charles Johnson  May 9, 2016 • 6:45:52pm
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ObserverArt  May 9, 2016 • 6:46:07pm

re: #164 lawhawk

Newt’s getting a case of the butthurts.

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Doesn’t like fact that Romney and GWHB and GWB are skipping out on the Trump trash train.

Newt’s getting him some opportunity to bite back at some folks. I’m sure many in the party are real concerned about what Newt thinks.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 9, 2016 • 6:46:27pm

re: #199 Eric The Fruit Bat

It’ll be interesting to see if any of these claims pan out.

If his name’s Perkin Warbeck, I’m betting against it.

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2016 • 6:47:09pm

re: #167 b_sharp

In the weird file for the day.

I just pulled a dog hair out of my foot. It had embedded itself 1/2” into the little toe pad and was starting to come out between my toes.

I had no idea dog hair was rigid enough to do that.

Hmmm…a little thin-skinned are we???

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 9, 2016 • 6:48:09pm

Amnon Bundy’s latest motion to dismiss.

It’s a hoot:

“COMES NOW Defendant AMMON BUNDY1
(“Defendant”), expressly admitting the
personal jurisdiction of this court2
, and pursuant to Rule 12(b)(2) and Rule 47(a) of the Federal
Rules of Criminal Procedure, respectfully moves for an order dismissing all counts in the abovecaptioned
matter, for the Court’s lack of subject matter jurisdiction.”

The argument presented here is straightforward: The Constitution of the United States prohibits the federal government’s ownership of the land comprising the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. Since the land is not lawfully the federal government’s, the pending counts must be dismissed for lack of subject matter jurisdiction.

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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 6:48:36pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

What a wingnut.

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Belafon  May 9, 2016 • 6:50:32pm

re: #221 Anymouse

What a wingnut.

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What is Charles faking?

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Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2016 • 6:50:37pm

re: #3 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Things I define as creepy: men following women into the restroom to determine if that’s the restroom they “should” be using.

Thanks, NC, for encouraging this.

I watched Milk yesterday for the first time, and nothing has changed with respect to the right wing creeps and their arguments.

They were saying the same things in 1977 and 1978: The GLBT people are all perverts, pedophiles and molesters who cannot reproduce naturally so they rape little kids to make them gay.

They keep using that vile accusation because it works on the same level of “So when did you stop beating your wife?” It hits that basic emotional fear we have about kids, and deliberately ties a violated, marginalized group to the most hated class of criminals in America.

And it keeps working.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2016 • 6:51:45pm

re: #5 b_sharp

Who the hell is “Bathroom Bill?”

Governor Pecker Checker.

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Belafon  May 9, 2016 • 6:52:13pm

re: #223 Aunty Entity Dragon

I watched Milk yesterday for the first time, and nothing has changed with respect to the right wing creeps and their arguments.

They were saying the same things in 1977 and 1978: The GLBT people are all perverts, pedophiles and molesters who cannot reproduce naturally so they rape little kids to make them gay.

They keep using that vile accusation because it works on the same level of “So when did you stop beating your wife?” It hits that basic emotional fear we have about kids, and deliberately ties a violated, marginalized group to the most hated class of criminals in America.

And it keeps working.

I’ll keep saying that, with all available evidence, adult men should not be allowed in restrooms with children of either gender.

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Reality Based Steve  May 9, 2016 • 6:52:18pm

re: #220 Eric The Fruit Bat

Amnon Bundy’s latest motion to dismiss.

It’s a hoot:

“COMES NOW Defendant AMMON BUNDY1
(“Defendant”), expressly admitting the
personal jurisdiction of this court2
, and pursuant to Rule 12(b)(2) and Rule 47(a) of the Federal
Rules of Criminal Procedure, respectfully moves for an order dismissing all counts in the abovecaptioned
matter, for the Court’s lack of subject matter jurisdiction.”

But it’s got legaly type words in it. And probably has a seal someplace.

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2016 • 6:52:24pm

re: #197 Anymouse

We atheists are preparing to be the next target.

Why, they know you are already going to hell and there will be no changing it. Can’t score any points if you can’t convert or stop the ungodly behavior.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 9, 2016 • 6:52:36pm

re: #220 Eric The Fruit Bat

Amnon Bundy’s latest motion to dismiss.

It’s a hoot.

COMES NOW

LOL

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Belafon  May 9, 2016 • 6:53:13pm

re: #227 ObserverArt

Why, they know you are already going to hell and there will be no changing it. Can’t score any points if you can’t convert or stop the ungodly behavior.

Yep, and it’s already harder for us to do things like get elected.

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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 6:54:19pm

re: #227 ObserverArt

Why, they know you are already going to hell and there will be no changing it. Can’t score any points if you can’t convert or stop the ungodly behavior.

That’s why we’re all out rapin’ and murderin’ and stealin’ and … . oh wait, we’re not.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 9, 2016 • 6:55:33pm

STUPIDEST WINGNUT MEME OF THE DAY==>

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Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)  May 9, 2016 • 6:56:11pm

re: #196 Jenner7

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I don’t know who the last two guys are, but the “smug asshole” waves radiating off them are palpable.

(Also, all white men? Shocking…)

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jaunte  May 9, 2016 • 6:56:35pm

re: #220 Eric The Fruit Bat

‘…In footnotes, Bundy’s lawyers wrote that their client believes two prior U.S. Supreme Court cases that addressed this issue “were wrongly decided and should be overruled.”

A ruling by the nation’s highest court in 1935 found that the federal government has an incontrovertible claim to the refuge’s wetlands and lakebeds, dating back to the 1840s, when Oregon was still a territory. “Before Oregon was admitted to statehood, the United States is shown to have acquired title which it has never in terms conveyed away,” Justice Harlan Stone wrote in 1935.

The Supreme Court found then that the laws of the United States alone control the disposition of title to its lands. The states are powerless to place “any limitation or restriction on that control.”
oregonlive.com

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freetoken  May 9, 2016 • 6:59:33pm

re: #231 The Vicious Babushka

Yeah, it’s getting passed around Facebook.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2016 • 6:59:49pm

re: #225 Belafon

I’ll keep saying that, with all available evidence, adult men should not be allowed in restrooms with children of either gender.

Huh?

Are you seriously proposing a separate restroom for 18 and over males in every public place with a cop standing at the door?

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The Vicious Babushka  May 9, 2016 • 7:01:19pm

re: #234 freetoken

Yeah, it’s getting passed around Facebook.

I just saw the Dixon Diaz watermark. He’s a complete fucking douchegoblin.

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Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)  May 9, 2016 • 7:01:26pm

re: #204 stpaulbear

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Ayup. The idea that Sander’s voters are inherently more liberal than Clinton voters is nonsense.

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Belafon  May 9, 2016 • 7:01:43pm

re: #235 Aunty Entity Dragon

Huh?

Are you seriously proposing a separate restroom for 18 and over males in every public place with a cop standing at the door?

It’s as serious as a proposal to force trans people into the restroom of their birth gender. It’s meant in the same vane as a prostate check to get viagra (a proposal when states were doing the ultrasound for abortion laws).

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goddamnedfrank  May 9, 2016 • 7:01:56pm

Everyone pray for Decatur Deb.

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calochortus  May 9, 2016 • 7:03:06pm

re: #220 Eric The Fruit Bat

Amnon Bundy’s latest motion to dismiss.

It’s a hoot:

“COMES NOW Defendant AMMON BUNDY1
(“Defendant”), expressly admitting the
personal jurisdiction of this court2
, and pursuant to Rule 12(b)(2) and Rule 47(a) of the Federal
Rules of Criminal Procedure, respectfully moves for an order dismissing all counts in the abovecaptioned
matter, for the Court’s lack of subject matter jurisdiction.”

The argument presented here is straightforward: The Constitution of the United States prohibits the federal government’s ownership of the land comprising the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. Since the land is not lawfully the federal government’s, the pending counts must be dismissed for lack of subject matter jurisdiction.

It does go on, doesn’t it? One pities the intern who gets stuck reading it.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 9, 2016 • 7:03:08pm

re: #239 goddamnedfrank

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Everyone pray for Decatur Deb.

And/or send him popcorn.

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2016 • 7:03:29pm

re: #235 Aunty Entity Dragon

Huh?

Are you seriously proposing a separate restroom for 18 and over males in every public place with a cop standing at the door?

Snark. I think a point is being made about who really can be a threat. Middle aged white males have statistics against them. And I think Belafon has made similar comments…a bit of a theme you may have missed.

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calochortus  May 9, 2016 • 7:03:48pm

re: #228 The Vicious Babushka

COMES NOW

LOL

Goes some other time.

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Belafon  May 9, 2016 • 7:04:27pm

re: #242 ObserverArt

Snark. I think a point is being made about who really can be a threat. Middle aged white males have statistics against them. And I think Belafon has made similar comments…a bit of a theme you may have missed.

And I’m male. I’m not immune from my own law.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2016 • 7:05:51pm

re: #238 Belafon

It’s as serious as a proposal to force trans people into the restroom of their birth gender. It’s meant in the same vane as a prostate check to get viagra (a proposal when states were doing the ultrasound for abortion laws).

Okay, gotcha.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2016 • 7:06:37pm

Bed soon. Helping with calculus. Not happy.

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Kragar  May 9, 2016 • 7:07:26pm
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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 7:07:52pm

re: #243 calochortus

Goes some other time.

Isn’t coming now in a court a violation of indent exposure laws? .s

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calochortus  May 9, 2016 • 7:09:06pm

re: #248 Anymouse

Isn’t coming now in a court a violation of indent exposure laws? .s

Indent exposure? I’m not even going to ask. (Yeah, I know. Typo.)

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jaunte  May 9, 2016 • 7:09:07pm

re: #248 Anymouse

*throws the book*

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 9, 2016 • 7:11:08pm

re: #233 jaunte

That whole thing is worth a read. I especially liked this section:

They contend that it wasn’t until an impromptu meeting after a Jan. 2 rally in Burns in support of two Harney County ranchers that Bundy, his brother, Ryan Bundy, Robert “LaVoy” Finicum and others formed the Citizens for Constitutional Freedom group and planned to take over the refuge in a “lawful adverse possession claim.”

Federal prosecutors previously have argued that Ammon Bundy’s actions at Malheur weren’t “born out of impulse” but were “deliberate and designed to undermine authority at every stage.” They’ve alleged that Ammon Bundy and co-defendant Ryan Payne visited Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward last fall and urged the sheriff to protect Burns area ranchers Dwight Hammond Jr. and his son, Steven Hammond, from returning to prison on federal arson charges.

Payne and Bundy told the sheriff that if the Hammonds spent one more day in jail, there would be “extreme civil unrest,” a federal complaint said. By mid-December, a video titled “Time for some camping” was posted on a Facebook community page called “Harney County Liberty News.” It showed a man announcing that he was doing some “tactical camping” in Harney County and posing outside a “Hammond Ranch Rd.” sign, the complaint says. They allege Bundy and his followers participated in an armed takeover of the refuge and refused government demands to leave the property.

According to Ammon Bundy’s new legal filings, the occupiers notified the Harney County Sheriff’s Office shortly before they secured the refuge property and buildings and renamed it “The Harney County Resource Center.” They contacted a utility company seeking to take over the electric and other services and maintained the perimeter to control those who entered and left.

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TK-421  May 9, 2016 • 7:13:03pm

re: #193 Bill and Opus for 2016!

In the US they call it Czechvar for legal purposes. I drink it occasionally. It’s no Paulander Octoberfest but it’s good.

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goddamnedfrank  May 9, 2016 • 7:13:28pm
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Reality Based Steve  May 9, 2016 • 7:15:22pm

Night gang. I’ll catch you all later on, be good, or at least chew with your mouth closed.

RBS

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 9, 2016 • 7:20:49pm

Donald Trump, in Shift, Turns to Republican Party for Fund-Raising Help

Donald J. Trump took steps to appropriate much of the Republican National Committee’s financial and political infrastructure for his presidential campaign on Monday, amid signs that he and the party would lag dangerously behind the Democrats in raising money for the general election.

Mr. Trump, who by the end of March had spent around $40 million of his fortune on the primaries, has said that he may need as much as $1.5 billion for the fall campaign, but that he will seek to raise it from donors rather than continue to self-finance.

But Mr. Trump has no fund-raising apparatus to resort to, no network of prolific bundlers to call upon, and little known experience with the type of marathon, one-on-one serial salesmanship and solicitousness that raising so much money is likely to require — even if individuals are able to contribute up to the current limit of $334,000 at a time to the party. And he has to do it all in six months, with a deeply divided party that is still absorbing the fact that Mr. Trump is its standard-bearer.

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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 7:25:44pm

re: #249 calochortus

Indent exposure? I’m not even going to ask. (Yeah, I know. Typo.)

A crumb got under my “c” key (don’t eat chips while typing).

“Indecent exposure.”

Edit: Where do those riffs on Mr. Trump’s hats come from? They’re a hoot.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  May 9, 2016 • 7:26:41pm

re: #188 ObserverArt

I know one thing…we had real whipping boys and strawmen back then too. Now we have whipping persons and strawpeople and that just isn’t the same.

Nothing wrong with Strawpeople

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thedopefishlives  May 9, 2016 • 7:26:42pm

re: #256 Anymouse

A crumb got under my “c” key (don’t eat chips while typing).

“Indecent exposure.”

Here I thought you meant he would be exposing his indent. Which would be rather embarrassing in public, for sure.

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Kragar  May 9, 2016 • 7:26:48pm
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ObserverArt  May 9, 2016 • 7:27:12pm

Personal experience that goes in line to some of the general comments in this thread…a good way to close the evening.

I recently had a photo contract job to shoot exteriors of some new apartment complexes going up in the central Ohio area. So for three weeks I spent some time when the weather was decent running around taking shots of building exteriors.

At one new complex I noticed a woman watching me a bit. No problem. But as I moved around the complex complete with nice ponds all around with small trees and beds of plantings I noticed she was now in a different spot checking me out.

I knew what was going on…60 year old white guy with a camera…gotta be up to no good.

So, I walked right up to her and asked if she was concerned what I was doing and explained my reason for being there. I totally caught her off guard because what pervert would just walk right up and tell you they were perverting???

She was a bit embarrassed and said she had a young niece (who was nowhere in sight as far as I knew) she was protecting. I told her I understood, that is why I approached her. As I continued she disappeared. She was calmed.

And I thought how sad that she was in a way immediately looking at me in the negative light based on some very common stereo typing and not noticing I was aiming the camera constantly as buildings with no people, let alone women or kids in the viewing area. I was already self-conscious of that when I took the job.

You would think that the 10 to 20 minutes she followed me she might have realized it. And not many perverts with a camera are going to be using a tripod and spending a lot of time in a single spot focusing and getting the shot right. That would be way obvious.

It’s hard to shake people from what they suspect. But I understand how powerful that fear can be and how it takes very little to make one fearful. Lot of that going on.

Later Lizards…after today’s hot topics…be cool!

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FormerDirtDart  May 9, 2016 • 7:28:35pm

PANDERING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 9, 2016 • 7:29:38pm

re: #260 ObserverArt

Imagine what would have happened if you were an African-American photog.
Or someone who looked “Middle Eastern.”

Yeah. Welcome to America.

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2016 • 7:34:34pm

re: #262 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Imagine what would have happened if you were an African-American photog.
Or someone who looked “Middle Eastern.”

Yeah. Welcome to America.

I have a great friend that is African American and a dog trainer/walker in one of this area’s more-than-well-to-do communities and have a good idea of those very issues. He has had them.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 9, 2016 • 7:35:56pm

Weekend coverband vid!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 9, 2016 • 7:41:04pm

re: #263 ObserverArt

I have a great friend that is African American and a dog trainer/walker in one of this area’s more-than-well-to-do communities and have a good idea of those very issues. He has had them.

I can imagine.

People get weird about seeing African-American postal carriers and UPS drivers, too.

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Belafon  May 9, 2016 • 7:43:44pm

re: #259 Kragar

“All the falsehoods!!”

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Stanley Sea  May 9, 2016 • 7:47:18pm

re: #262 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Imagine what would have happened if you were an African-American photog.
Or someone who looked “Middle Eastern.”

Yeah. Welcome to America.

Land of the Fear

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FormerDirtDart  May 9, 2016 • 7:48:10pm

Three Camera Angles | Falcon 9 First Stage Landing on Droneship

Ummm….
Awesome

Three Camera Angles | Falcon 9 First Stage Landing on Droneship

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thedopefishlives  May 9, 2016 • 7:49:06pm

Teaching Mrs. Fish how to, er, fish by instructing her on proper computer cleaning techniques. Her video card may have momentarily overheated; I’m hoping I was able to avoid permanent damage and also teach a valuable lesson that she can use going forward. Heat death claimed our Xbox 360 through my own negligence recently, so I’m praying to avoid a similar fate with her PC.

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Stanley Sea  May 9, 2016 • 7:50:32pm

re: #264 GlutenFreeJesus

Weekend coverband vid!

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Very good!

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Snarknado!  May 9, 2016 • 7:52:04pm

Hey dopefish, it was long ago that Shiplord Kirel posted his page about the ultimate back-end unblocker: Haribo sugar-free gummi bears — but they’re still available on Amazon and elsewhere.

Read the comments on Amazon (which might do the job by themselves) and proceed with caution. And good luck.

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FormerDirtDart  May 9, 2016 • 7:53:07pm

Really should had been Corgis racing…

Watch Tiny Ponies Race in Honor of Queen’s 90th Birthday

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Snarknado!  May 9, 2016 • 7:53:36pm

re: #271 Snarknado!

That wasn’t either off-topic — this is a bathroom thread, right?

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jaunte  May 9, 2016 • 7:54:10pm

“…Bruner has said evolution “is a religious philosophy with propaganda supporting the religion of Atheism,” and that scientists have ignored and hidden evidence that humans and dinosaurs walked the planet at the same time (screenshot)”
tfn.org

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Kragar  May 9, 2016 • 7:54:11pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2016 • 7:56:45pm

re: #274 jaunte

Those rascally scientists, I’m sure they’d have such an easy time hiding one of the most significant discoveries in human history!

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jaunte  May 9, 2016 • 7:57:24pm

re: #275 Kragar

Donald Trump and the Central Park Five
newyorker.com

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 9, 2016 • 7:58:58pm

re: #276 Eclectic Cyborg

Those rascally scientists, I’m sure they’d have such an easy time hiding one of the most significant discoveries in human history!

The Flintstones was an exposé of the cover-up!

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jaunte  May 9, 2016 • 7:59:31pm

Most likely a Trump voter.

“…Views on History
Bruner thinks slavery was a minor issue in the Civil War. In July 2014 she wrote that historians were biased against the southern states and rewrote history books once everyone alive during the Civil War had died (screenshot). She also thinks there’s no need for Black History Month, Mexican-American History Month or any other formally recognition of the historical contributions of minorities to the United States (screenshot).

Bruner also appears to back a Donad Trump-like plan to ban Islam from the United States (screenshot):

“Islam is not a religion. Islam is an inhumane totalitarian political ideology with radical religious rules and laws and barbaric punishments for breaking the religious rules.”

tfn.org

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Kragar  May 9, 2016 • 8:01:06pm
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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 8:01:44pm

re: #279 jaunte

Could also be a Cruz or Carson supporter.

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Sherlock Hound  May 9, 2016 • 8:03:46pm

re: #271 Snarknado!

The gummy bears have Xylitol, I would guess. Altoid Arctic mints do, and they have a similar effect.

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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 8:03:56pm

Islam Evangelical Christianity is not a religion. Islam Evangelical Christianity is an inhumane totalitarian political ideology with radical religious rules and laws and barbaric punishments for breaking the religious rules.”

(See: jail or vigilantes for using a bathroom.)

Fixed it for her.

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Stanley Sea  May 9, 2016 • 8:07:56pm

re: #277 jaunte

Donald Trump and the Central Park Five
newyorker.com

He’s such a prick.

And now mentally ill.

Danger danger.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 9, 2016 • 8:09:34pm

re: #283 Anymouse

And Evangelical Christianity is actually a rather recent phenomenon as well.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2016 • 8:13:43pm

re: #285 Eric The Fruit Bat

And Evangelical Christianity is actually a rather recent phenomenon as well.

1960s origin wasn’t it?

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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 8:14:50pm

re: #286 Eclectic Cyborg

1960s origin wasn’t it?

Wikipedia has it as beginning in the XVIII Century:

en.wikipedia.org

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jaunte  May 9, 2016 • 8:14:57pm

Deadbeat vexatious litigant.

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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 8:15:43pm

re: #288 jaunte

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Deadbeat vexatious litigant.

Pat McCrory, is that you?

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scottslemmons  May 9, 2016 • 8:17:08pm

re: #288 jaunte

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Deadbeat vexatious litigant.

Why on earth do they let terrorists sue anyone?

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Snarknado!  May 9, 2016 • 8:19:20pm

re: #282 Sherlock Hound

The gummy bears have Xylitol, I would guess. Altoid Arctic mints do, and they have a similar effect.

Someone on the comment thread said Sorbitol, and someone else suggested another sweetener. Whatever works.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 9, 2016 • 8:19:43pm

re: #286 Eclectic Cyborg

1960s origin wasn’t it?

More like early 20th century, but they started getting political power after the 1960s.

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unproven innocence  May 9, 2016 • 8:20:44pm

re: #290 scottslemmons

Why on earth do they let terrorists sue anyone?

It may or may not cut down on the need for continual surveillance.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 9, 2016 • 8:22:18pm

re: #287 Anymouse

Wikipedia has it as beginning in the XVIII Century:

en.wikipedia.org

re: #286 Eclectic Cyborg

1960s origin wasn’t it?

There’s a difference between Evangelicalism and Pentecostalism/Biblical Literalism. Evangelicalism goes back to the 1700s with Jonathan Edwards and the Great Revival. Pentecostalism is a more modern sect.

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Barefoot Grin  May 9, 2016 • 8:37:38pm

re: #222 Belafon

What is Charles faking?

What is humor?


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