Wall Street Journal Columnist Bret Stephens Endorses Hillary Clinton

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He’s endorsing Hillary only because he thinks Donald Trump will destroy the Republican Party for years to come (and he’s right about that), but Bret Stephens is the latest hardcore Hillary hater to bite the bullet.

The best hope for what’s left of a serious conservative movement in America is the election in November of a Democratic president, held in check by a Republican Congress. Conservatives can survive liberal administrations, especially those whose predictable failures lead to healthy restorations—think Carter, then Reagan. What isn’t survivable is a Republican president who is part Know Nothing, part Smoot-Hawley and part John Birch. The stain of a Trump administration would cripple the conservative cause for a generation.

This is the reality that wavering Republicans need to understand before casting their lot with a presumptive nominee they abhor only slightly less than his likely opponent. If the next presidency is going to be a disaster, why should the GOP want to own it?

Stephens is concerned about the “blood and soil nationalists” Trump has legitimized, but he still doesn’t seem to realize that this racist, fascist element of the right wing base has been courted and pandered to by the GOP for years. And now they want to move in, hang their white power posters on the walls, and take over. Good luck throwing them out.

But Trumpism isn’t just a triumph of marketing or the excrescence of a personality cult. It is a regression to the conservatism of blood and soil, of ethnic polarization and bullying nationalism. Modern conservatives sought to bury this rubbish with a politics that strikes a balance between respect for tradition and faith in the dynamic and culture-shifting possibilities of open markets. When that balance collapses—under a Republican president, no less—it may never again be restored, at least in our lifetimes.

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goddamnedfrank  May 9, 2016 • 8:24:54pm
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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 8:26:05pm

re: #1 goddamnedfrank

You were first! Collect your prize from Mr. Johnson, a free internet.

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jaunte  May 9, 2016 • 8:26:32pm
But Trumpism isn’t just a triumph of marketing or the excrescence of a personality cult. It is a regression to the conservatism of blood and soil, of ethnic polarization and bullying nationalism. Modern conservatives sought to bury this rubbish with a politics that strikes a balance between respect for tradition and faith in the dynamic and culture-shifting possibilities of open markets.

Anyone who thinks the “culture-shifting possibilities of open markets” ever had the upper hand on ethnic polarization and bullying nationalism is deluding themselves and ignoring the writings of conservatives over the past 40 years.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2016 • 8:26:55pm

Sorry to go OT so early but…

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worldknot  May 9, 2016 • 8:28:55pm

re: #1 goddamnedfrank

To be fair to the Sanders fans out there, Trump might also lose Utah.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2016 • 8:30:08pm

re: #5 worldknot

To be fair to the Sanders fans out there, Trump might also lose Utah.

The GOP losing Utah would be pretty damned funny.

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Belafon  May 9, 2016 • 8:32:44pm

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 8:32:52pm

re: #5 worldknot

Oh I would love to see (likely) Mrs. Clinton or (much less likely) Mr. Sanders take my state (Nebraska). President Obama won one electoral vote in 2012 here, and we ousted one of our Republican representatives.

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Belafon  May 9, 2016 • 8:34:41pm
Modern conservatives sought to bury this rubbish with a politics that strikes a balance between respect for tradition and faith in the dynamic and culture-shifting possibilities of open markets.

I’ll have what he’s smoking. There was no balancing between those two. The closest thing to balancing was that the money people realized they could throw red meat at the Christianists about abortion but not do anything about it, and could throw minorities to the white supremacists. But the beasts can no longer be controlled.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 9, 2016 • 8:35:02pm

Rage Furby is going after Pinterest now, accusing them of discriminating against white engineers. He bases that accusation on a Medium article by a worker at an unnamed social media company who says:

My company has recently formed a committee to improve how we hire. At first I was optimistic that we could improve our hiring process to ensure that we are hiring the best people for the job. Unfortunately my optimism was misplaced as the committee seems to be a place for diversity advocates to push hard to codify changes to lower the bar for members of certain favored groups.

Here is a list of all the bar lowering changes I’ve seen people push for at my company:

medium.com

So, if you pay attention to the parts I have highlighted here, these are only proposals which have not been put into effect. But Rage Furby is claiming they are already policy at Pinterest.

Wrong again, Chuck.

He offers no evidence that the Medium article is talking about Pinterest, BTW.

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Belafon  May 9, 2016 • 8:36:19pm

I also see what he’s hoping for: Don’t vote for Trump but vote for all the other Republicans. The problem is people turn out for presidential elections to vote for Presidents, and, as a happenstance, vote for the other races. Don’t vote for Trump will keep a lot of Republicans home.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 9, 2016 • 8:37:54pm

Who fucking cares what an in-duh-divdual editorial writer. It’s what does the entire WSJ editoria board say that’ll be the acid test.

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goddamnedfrank  May 9, 2016 • 8:38:34pm

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It’s over folks. If Sanders is even thinking of coasting through California it’s a tacit admission that he knows he’s fucked good and proper.

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Barefoot Grin  May 9, 2016 • 8:39:50pm

re: #2 Anymouse

You were first! Collect your prize from Mr. Johnson, a free internet.

Not bad. Last time I won a self-financed trip around the world.

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Belafon  May 9, 2016 • 8:41:36pm

re: #10 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Unfortunately my optimism was misplaced as the committee seems to be a place for diversity advocates to push hard to codify changes to lower the bar for members of certain favored groups.

I work for a government contractor, which by law must do everything it can to hire people regardless of their race or gender, which means that they have to be trained to recognize when they are taking race or gender into account. Because of this, my four bosses up my chain, from least to most important are: a white man, a white woman, a black man, a white man. We still aren’t at 50% women or the national average for minorities, but that’s because the technology fields aren’t that way. Based on the current ratios in the field, though, we are above average.

This idea that you can hire the best people by only picking from white people is white privilege at its worst.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 9, 2016 • 8:43:51pm

re: #10 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Rage Furby is probably pretty ignorant of something we call in the tech industry “wage arbitrage”, which gets commonly used when companies use offshore resources (either captively owned or by contract.)

In many skillsets this can be played with some success. Specialized skills with declining population of resource availbility and business knowledge causes churn for as little as a $0.25. and/or sickness.

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goddamnedfrank  May 9, 2016 • 8:45:01pm

re: #2 Anymouse

You were first! Collect your prize from Mr. Johnson, a free internet.

I’m loathe to even respond because there always used to be a prominently posted rule here about not posting “first” or any variation thereof in #1 comments. I very much assume that rule still exists.

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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 8:45:33pm

re: #14 Barefoot Grin

Not bad. Last time I won a self-financed trip around the world.

My wife and I are self-financing our trip for the Republican Convention in July. We are driving to northern Manitoba.

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LoonRadio  May 9, 2016 • 8:46:52pm

re: #18 Anymouse

I hope you come back.

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Belafon  May 9, 2016 • 8:49:17pm

re: #17 goddamnedfrank

I’m loathe to even respond because there always used to be a prominently posted rule here about not posting “first” or any variation thereof in #1 comments. I very much assume that rule still exists.

I thought Anymouse meant that you posted the tweet before they did.

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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 8:50:57pm

re: #19 LoonRadio

I hope you come back.

We’ll be back. Long trip - to The Pas, catch the train to Churchill, stay for a week.

Then drive to Michigan to visit part of my family then to Chicago to visit my mother.

All that in a Smart Car.

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Stanley Sea  May 9, 2016 • 8:53:01pm

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

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goddamnedfrank  May 9, 2016 • 8:53:10pm
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Targetpractice  May 9, 2016 • 8:53:17pm

re: #13 goddamnedfrank

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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It’s over folks. If Sanders is even thinking of coasting through California it’s a tacit admission that he knows he’s fucked good and proper.

Personally, what I read is Sanders is counting the money he doesn’t have and realizing if he wants to make it to the convention, he’s gonna have to start being frugal. Not that it will stop the nonstop congo line of bad remarks and insane mailers.

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Stanley Sea  May 9, 2016 • 8:54:48pm

re: #10 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Rage Furby is going after Pinterest now, accusing them of discriminating against white engineers. He bases that accusation on a Medium article by a worker at an unnamed social media company who says:

medium.com

So, if you pay attention to the parts I have highlighted here, these are only proposals which have not been put into effect. But Rage Furby is claiming they are already policy at Pinterest.

Wrong again, Chuck.

He offers no evidence that the Medium article is talking about Pinterest, BTW.

Pinterest? Scraping the bottom eh Chuck?

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Barefoot Grin  May 9, 2016 • 8:55:21pm

re: #18 Anymouse

My wife and I are self-financing our trip for the Republican Convention in July. We are driving to northern Manitoba.

I’m rethinking what I thought of Canada based on songs. “Four Strong Winds” makes me think that Alberta could use a respite right about now. I looked at a map and found that there are no towns in north Ontario; or, if there are, they would certainly make one feel “Helpless.”

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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 8:59:09pm

I saw a satellite photo a few hours ago showing the smoke from Ft McMurray blowing out over the Atlantic ocean over the Delmarva Peninsula and Norfolk and Virginia Beach.

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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 9:05:48pm

Smoke from Alberta fires blowing over Norfolk:
space.com

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goddamnedfrank  May 9, 2016 • 9:06:00pm
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Belafon  May 9, 2016 • 9:06:40pm
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Great White Snark  May 9, 2016 • 9:07:38pm

Rather unglamorous photo of Hilary. The back light would have been dramatic if not for the weird dust cloud in the light. Surely there was a better shot from that series of shots? Ugly pick.

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goddamnedfrank  May 9, 2016 • 9:09:05pm

re: #24 Targetpractice

Personally, what I read is Sanders is counting the money he doesn’t have and realizing if he wants to make it to the convention, he’s gonna have to start being frugal. Not that it will stop the nonstop congo line of bad remarks and insane mailers.

Right but without a goal line rush on California and New Jersey his hopes of generating any end game momentum simply vanish. He’ll go into the convention utterly swamped in terms of pledged delegates and popular vote. He’ll have no argument whatsoever to make to the Superdelegates that isn’t based entirely on tantrum and fantasy.

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Belafon  May 9, 2016 • 9:09:17pm

I don’t have a large audience, but I’m hoping the search on @LGUS will help. It’s annoying, and it looks on the internet that I’m not the only one having the loss of sound problem with Tone Pros. I’ve got to see if I can find a good set that is sweat resistant.

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Belafon  May 9, 2016 • 9:12:43pm

Sebastian Stan’s face over an image of Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker.

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Targetpractice  May 9, 2016 • 9:13:59pm

re: #32 goddamnedfrank

Right but without a goal line rush on California and New Jersey his hopes of generating any end game momentum simply vanish. He’ll go into the convention utterly swamped in terms of pledged delegates and popular vote. He’ll have no argument whatsoever to make to the Superdelegates that isn’t based entirely on tantrum and fantasy.

I think by this point he’s beginning to realize that the race is lost. Now it’s about cutting his losses in order to avoid massive campaign debt.

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TedStriker  May 9, 2016 • 9:19:53pm

Apologies to klys and the Sharks faithful, but Game 7 is on, baby!

Go Preds!

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TedStriker  May 9, 2016 • 9:20:43pm

re: #34 Belafon

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Sebastian Stan’s face over an image of Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker.

Freaky, isn’t it?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 9, 2016 • 9:22:20pm

re: #36 TedStriker

The Sharks shit the bed.

I am familiar with the tune, as are many other Sharks fans, believe me.

Oh well.

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Charles Johnson  May 9, 2016 • 9:22:54pm

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Photo by @everydayastronaut

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 9, 2016 • 9:26:55pm

re: #15 Belafon

re: #16 Eric The Fruit Bat

He’s ignorant about a lot of things, but I guess his vaunted high IQ compensates for factual errors.

One of his minions deduced the company was Pinterest and tipped off Rage Furby, who I suspect didn’t bother to read the Medium article before going off on his alt-right tirade. Or he could have read it, and just ignored the idea the policies were only being discussed.

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Feline Fearless Leader  May 9, 2016 • 9:33:43pm

Quick comment by as I go to bed.

Lousy game of cards tonight playing cribbage. Good sportspuck on after I got home. Work is a pain.

Stay scaly everyone!

(Last night was an emerald tree boa. Tonight’s is an eyelash viper.)

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TedStriker  May 9, 2016 • 9:40:02pm

re: #38 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The Sharks shit the bed.

I am familiar with the tune, as are many other Sharks fans, believe me.

Oh well.

Hey, no need to be down, because there’s one game left.

Whoever loses Game 7, whether it’s the Preds or the Sharks, it won’t be for lack of trying.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  May 9, 2016 • 9:44:22pm

apparently hillary is running against the national enquirer

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Anymouse  May 9, 2016 • 9:44:59pm

Way off topic:

Boy who looks like Alfred E. Neuman gets his photo in Mad Magazine.
cbc.ca

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 9, 2016 • 9:45:43pm

re: #42 TedStriker

Hey, no need to be down, because there’s one game left.

Whoever loses Game 7, whether it’s the Preds or the Sharks, it won’t be for lack of trying.

…you are clearly not familiar with the Sharks.

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Scout  May 9, 2016 • 9:46:25pm

About this WSJ columnist: Every little bit helps. I have one GOP friend who reads that paper’s opinion pieces religiously.

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TedStriker  May 9, 2016 • 9:51:55pm

re: #45 klys (maker of Silmarils)

…you are clearly not familiar with the Sharks.

Gimme a break, I’m just trying to be a good sport ;)

Seriously, the Preds and Sharks might as well be twins; only a few years separates them for entry into the league and both have never gone real deep into the SCF. As a matter of fact, the Preds and Sharks have done this playoff dance a couple of times over the years and it’s been the Sharks that ended up on top; this is the closest playoff series they’ve had, AFAIK.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 9, 2016 • 9:53:53pm

re: #47 TedStriker

Gimme a break, I’m just trying to be a good sport ;)

Seriously, the Preds and Sharks might as well be twins; only a few years separates them for entry into the league and both have never gone real deep into the SCF. As a matter of fact, the Preds and Sharks have done this playoff dance more than a couple of times over the years and it’s been the Sharks that ends up on top.

I’m trying to be a good sport too. The reality is that this is the last shot for some of our older guys, and the team has done this before. They shit the bed tonight and they know it. I think the fans can be forgiven for being understandably wary.

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TedStriker  May 9, 2016 • 10:00:10pm

re: #48 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m trying to be a good sport too. The reality is that this is the last shot for some of our older guys, and the team has done this before. They shit the bed tonight and they know it. I think the fans can be forgiven for being understandably wary.

Seeing that this game was here in Nashville, if Game 7 is at SJ, y’all have a better-than-average shot of winning it.

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teleskiguy  May 9, 2016 • 10:01:47pm

I heard a short report on Utah Public Radio that just floored me. I knew this case deserved wider attention when I heard the 45 second report. I paged it. Very sad, gruesome criminal case out of Utah.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 9, 2016 • 10:05:18pm

I had this helicopter stream going earlier today.

Still have my kitten livestream going.

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teleskiguy  May 9, 2016 • 10:13:44pm

Yes, I made it home. 1500 miles in my vehicle, two badass concerts, a Hoover Dam tour and a nice three hour walk in Great Basin National Park.

I’m listening to Radiohead’s new album. Interesting. Maybe a little too textured for my tastes, but a few of the tunes are definitely growing on me. “True Love Waits” is quintessential Radiohead.

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Targetpractice  May 9, 2016 • 10:26:47pm

So I just read an opinion piece from RawStory, and witnessed a whole new realm of math to argue the Bernie is the true leader in the Dem race. According to the author, the best way to decide candidates is to move away from a system that’s already accused of being a popularity contest into a system that dispenses with any doubt. He proposes we adopt “majority judgement,” i.e. replacing “one man, one vote” with multiple choice. Instead of a ballot that would read

* Donald Trump
* Hillary Clinton

You’d get a ballot that read:

“How would you rank these candidates as potential presidents?”

* Donald Trump - Great, Good, Average, Bad, Terrible
* Hillary Clinton - Great, Good, Average, Bad, Terrible

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 9, 2016 • 10:29:22pm

They had a little bit of rain in Guangdong province overnight.

scmp.com

Water was waist-deep in some places. My friends who work in Guangzhou had to wade to work.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 9, 2016 • 10:30:36pm

re: #53 Targetpractice

Sounds like the SAT multiple-choice section.

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teleskiguy  May 9, 2016 • 10:32:23pm

re: #50 teleskiguy

I really need to dig up my old copy of the AP Style Guide. I’ve changed the hed to this page three times now and I still don’t know which one is right.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 9, 2016 • 10:43:44pm

/pokes the thread

Wake back up guys.

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Targetpractice  May 9, 2016 • 10:48:19pm

re: #57 klys (maker of Silmarils)

/pokes the thread

Wake back up guys.

*rolls over* Five more minutes…

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teleskiguy  May 9, 2016 • 10:49:12pm

I know you’re all *dying* to hear what Umphrey’s McGee played in Las Vegas on my birthday. Covers of Michael Jackson, Sade and Prince.

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retired cynic  May 9, 2016 • 10:50:06pm

re: #57 klys (maker of Silmarils)

mmmmph

It’s late back here….

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 9, 2016 • 10:50:47pm

re: #60 retired cynic

mmmmph

It’s late back here….

Sleep is for the weak.

And me in like another 2 hours but that’s still 2 hours off.

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retired cynic  May 9, 2016 • 10:52:17pm

re: #61 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Sleep is for the weak.

And me in like another 2 hours but that’s still 2 hours off.

I’m weak! I admit it!

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retired cynic  May 9, 2016 • 10:56:48pm

re: #62 retired cynic

And I’m gone.

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goddamnedfrank  May 9, 2016 • 11:12:32pm
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teleskiguy  May 9, 2016 • 11:21:27pm

Don’t Stop ‘til You Get Enough with a trombone solo? Yes. That happened on my birthday.

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Shiplord Kirel  May 9, 2016 • 11:34:09pm

Last week a mudslide of racist hate speech forced Faux News to shut down their page about Malia Obama’s plans to attend Harvard, and today we have this:

Fox News Posts A Gorilla Picture, The Racist Anti-Obama Family Messages That Followed Will Blow You Away
How open are the haters after 8 years of crazed incitement? The quoted comments are from Facebook and use the commenters’ real names.

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goddamnedfrank  May 9, 2016 • 11:34:18pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 9, 2016 • 11:49:20pm

re: #67 goddamnedfrank

Does Jeff Flake know that we can see him and hear what he’s saying?

Only the most optimistic and delusional GOP meatheads understand that their entire party is due for a drubbing this fall. They are in damage control mode right now.

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Targetpractice  May 9, 2016 • 11:51:57pm

re: #69 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Only the most optimistic and delusional GOP meatheads understand that their entire party is due for a drubbing this fall. They are in damage control mode right now.

Yeah, the guys who boasted for months about the “strength” of their bench and belittled the DNC for not having as big a bench watched it whittled down until the last guy standing was the asshole none of them thought had a chance.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 9, 2016 • 11:54:20pm

re: #70 Targetpractice

Yeah, the guys who boasted for months about the “strength” of their bench and belittled the DNC for not having as big a bench watched it whittled down until the last guy standing was the asshole none of them thought had a chance.

They had every chance to c all him out on his lack of qualifications and character, but then again, who did they have to offer in his place?

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Targetpractice  May 10, 2016 • 12:04:05am

re: #71 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

They had every chance to c all him out on his lack of qualifications and character, but then again, who did they have to offer in his place?

The answer to that was always “Nobody that the base would accept readily.” They wanted Trump and anybody who was deemed more “electable” would have had to deal with the anger of the party base.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 10, 2016 • 12:06:43am

Knife attack in wounds Germany, attacker shouted “Allahu Akhbar”.

More to come, and we know what it is gonna sound like.

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freetoken  May 10, 2016 • 12:07:09am

Ok, here’s a fun one - starts off like any commercial pop music from the late 50’s or 60’s, but then suddenly goes into funky comedy music:

クレイジーキャッツ「シャボン玉ホリデー」

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Shiplord Kirel  May 10, 2016 • 12:10:35am

re: #73 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Knife attack in wounds Germany, attacker shouted “Allahu Akhbar”.

More to come, and we know what it is gonna sound like.

Here it is:

Munich stabbing: One dead after man ‘shouting Allahu Akbar’ launches attack at railway station in German town

One person has been killed and several injured in a knife attack by a suspected Islamist at a railway station near Munich.

The suspect shouted “Allahu Akbar” (“God is great”) as he started stabbing passers-by in the town of Grafing, to the south-east of the German city, the Süddeutsche Zeitung reported.

The attack took place at around 4.50am on Tuesday and the suspected perpetrator was arrested shortly afterwards.

A spokesperson at the Bavarian state criminal investigation office told The Independent one of the victims was initially in a critical condition but died later in hospital.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 10, 2016 • 12:12:23am

re: #23 goddamnedfrank

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I expect that Trump will claim massive voter fraud by illegals and will sue instead of conceding.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 10, 2016 • 12:14:18am

re: #76 Big Beautiful Door

I expect that Trump will claim massive voter fraud by illegals and will sue instead of conceding.

anything to discredit the outcome of the election.

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Kragar  May 10, 2016 • 12:16:30am

re: #76 Big Beautiful Door

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 10, 2016 • 12:18:28am

re: #78 Kragar

*wonders what a Trump concession speech looks like*

“I can’t believe you people let me down. Simply the worst. You’re all a bunch of losers.”

He should then threaten to move all his assets and production facilities abroad…

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goddamnedfrank  May 10, 2016 • 12:23:40am

re: #76 Big Beautiful Door

I expect that Trump will claim massive voter fraud by illegals and will sue instead of conceding.

Depends. Lawsuits depend on money and his campaign will have to have a lot of it left over at the end to fuel any court actions. Republicans aren’t likely to want to fund a sore loser lawsuit so he’d have to do this mostly on his own. Any court option really depends on how big he loses, how many states he has to file suits in, etc. He’ll need some evidence of actual fraud, even a blanket assertion that all birthright citizen votes should be thrown out would predicate upon an electoral vote difference coming from close margins in just a couple of states.

Not saying he wouldn’t try it but the GOP would almost certainly cut him loose entirely at that point and let him squeal by his lonesome.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 10, 2016 • 12:25:39am

re: #80 goddamnedfrank

…Not saying he wouldn’t try it but the GOP would almost certainly cut him loose entirely at that point and let him squeal by his lonesome.

The GOP will already have moved on to stage 2: initiating impeachment proceedings against Hillary.

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freetoken  May 10, 2016 • 12:25:45am

There’s something like 250 homicides per week in this country, and over a million violent crimes per year.

And yet watch the usual subjects try to make something important out of this knife attack in Germany.

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teleskiguy  May 10, 2016 • 12:27:33am

If you’re a BernieBro who spouts off nonsense about Bernie winning the Democratic nomination, or insult and/or threaten Hillary supporters on social media day after day after day, Charles and I direct you down this trail.

Instagram

Charlie’s Cutoff, Buffalo Creek mountain biking fun.

We’re cutting you fuckers off.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 10, 2016 • 12:27:38am

re: #82 freetoken

There’s something like 250 homicides per week in this country, and over a million violent crimes per year.

And yet watch the usual subjects try to make something important out of this knife attack in Germany.

Because Allahu Akhbar.

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teleskiguy  May 10, 2016 • 12:31:22am

re: #83 teleskiguy

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freetoken  May 10, 2016 • 12:43:37am

If clothes fashions define an era….

風 はしだのりひことシューベルツ

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teleskiguy  May 10, 2016 • 12:53:09am
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goddamnedfrank  May 10, 2016 • 12:57:47am
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Kragar  May 10, 2016 • 1:02:01am

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

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freetoken  May 10, 2016 • 1:02:05am

Speaking of fashion, the following production, if one takes the totality of the set design, panelists, the audience, and the musicians, perhaps breaks every law of good fashion taste in the universe:

オンリー・ユー/グッチ裕三・モト冬樹.mpg

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 10, 2016 • 1:05:12am

re: #90 freetoken

Speaking of fashion, the following production, if one takes the totality of the set design, panelists, the audience, and the musicians, perhaps breaks every law of good fashion taste in the universe:

And intentionally so. Hipster irony comes naturally to the people of some cultures.

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freetoken  May 10, 2016 • 1:07:00am

re: #91 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Beautiful geetar, though.

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goddamnedfrank  May 10, 2016 • 1:07:55am
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freetoken  May 10, 2016 • 1:44:00am

So I’m wondering around the apparently bottomless barrel of Youtube looking for Japanese music… and come across this:

オホーツクの舟唄(知床旅情) 倍賞千恵子

Ok, fine, pretty song, prettier woman. Then I see the name ascribed to the singer and realize… WTF… do you know how old she was when this was recorded?

19. Yes, nineteen years old.

Chieko Baisho, one of the best known Japanese performers:
baisho-chieko.com

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Ming5000  May 10, 2016 • 2:00:10am

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

ms458b9gmXn3yaF0bu1E4+VylEjyzAWJbToqGXHXkRdC+NFw0rGiLkWQ/g6pCXUMBtV7veFk9xC13WcQ0yfhwJ7V7HkEqOy4sJ1Blh7A3R5LU5CWuPQZeQ3z6qWOjEl6JAbMWOpntGXGQcLnUUgyKPd94v5B9yd5H3XOuWC1xuN91oxXkK5zoK7E9FD82OiW8tbyOyjiKr8diC95iiGgMJzDUYDawqJR4P5EUrpJ4E4hTbdJPBRvgKvo63Zo01rJlOCL9ltiDUmFIqAH0QqbQL1QpGQCjhJR4pMeUmAqn+OzGP3b0UQib5xO6PGIgLVmABuC7IcsB46K3wX4ckGw8wWgaO6UpgpnzF5Tyf4hvZMLNFKypDQniC3eCTlRNx9j1JkBFUnqu09EtxcXMr0sjTNIjbPkwfY9SVusUqzNV3oyt/iIFlb60zRPaCyG1D+YGysI4do8PYui/CmJIk2BMDLWyO5jSmhQXtKZAZiub7ej0ulFejzm/iUIpl5yqVkiVOyMejcBwgW3gvIX7nqDlKuFAN8EPVPUSHLPbWbGDq+GN9AYkOM5no2iXbyveLgTerVzJ47FRejIs3TTSV2AlZWJFz7Wc+nJcutL1K90p9PSFdywpJHD+ozx66NOU2T6Yiu+zanwqzMhR2UoejWqSGNvpiA9SYthkz+awjgjQd589k4lVIWKE+q+LFJqj5YrUNQziUSdNso4y/qYFbdlmWCt8QTIltuwVxa9fZcaoWZaQOn6fWP7RGXwuOSGYrBgmWD1tgVyzaa2P881sPIb+Q==

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Ming5000  May 10, 2016 • 2:23:27am

re: #94 freetoken

Ok, fine, pretty song, prettier woman. Then I see the name ascribed to the singer and realize… WTF… do you know how old she was when this was recorded?

I am having a hard time believing that she was xx at the time of this video.
This might be a case where she fudged her birth year?

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freetoken  May 10, 2016 • 2:29:42am

re: #96 Ming5000

The video claims to be from 1960, would have been originally recorded on film. The link I put in there is to a photo album of hers, and you can see a pic from 1962, and it looks like her in that video.

Is she lying and was not born in 1941? Well, who knows, but she’s still around today making appearances.

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Ming5000  May 10, 2016 • 2:32:54am

re: #97 freetoken

I always felt my parents generation matured earlier, and just plain matured more, than my generation.
But, dayum.

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freetoken  May 10, 2016 • 2:35:37am

re: #98 Ming5000

I’m not good at guessing ages, and that goes doubly so for Japanese women. But in the closeups of her hands, they do not seem like old hands.

But yes, that generation perhaps grew up faster. Remember, she was a war baby.

And I noticed when living in Japan that on the whole the cultural expectations at certain ages are just different.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  May 10, 2016 • 2:37:38am

For those of you who do not know how completely screwed up the Texas public education system is nowadays, I will direct you to two stories, coming from opposite sides of the DFW metroplex:

Texas Town Approves Bond to Build $62.8 Million High School Football Stadium

On Saturday, voters in McKinney, Texas, approved a $220 million bond that will allocate $50.3 million toward the construction of a 12,000-seat high school football stadium for the local school district, according to USA Today. The project will cost $62.8 million in total, with the remaining $12.5 million funded by another bond that was approved in 2000.

It will reportedly be the most expensive high school stadium built to date, less than five miles north of the $60 million one in Allen, Texas.

This coming from a state whose standards of education has been in a free-fall since the 1990s.

Now, from Fort Worth, where the superintendent is attempting to bring schools into the 21st Century, we get our asshat Lt. Governor constructing a 20-story high strawman and immediately burning it to the ground:

Lt. Gov. Patrick calls for Fort Worth superintendent resignation over bathroom policy

Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick called for the resignation of Fort Worth Independent School District Superintendent Dr. Kent Scribner on Monday over new guidelines outlining bathroom use.

The new policy announced last month requires school officials to allow transgender students access to bathrooms consistent with “the gender identity that each student consistently and uniformly assert,” according to the Star-Telegram.

Transgender students are allowed to use the sex of the bathroom they identify with when no other students are present, according to the guidelines.

In an interview with News 8, Patrick called for the resignation of Dr. Scribner. “I’m asking him and those three members of his executive team, I’m calling for their resignation. We want a 15-year-old boy full of vivid vigor that every 15-year-old boy has walking into the girls bathroom?” said Patrick.. “The superintendent is so irresponsible to do this that he needs to step down.” the Lt. Governor went on to say.

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Ming5000  May 10, 2016 • 2:41:31am

I was just extolling Cecile (CeeCee to me) Richards to my wife the other day, and she totally redeems herself.
Plus, for a long time I enjoyed seeing Andrea Mitchel pop up on MSNBC. But, I started to feel there was a…. something like a negative core inside her. It is hard to put my finger on.
WTF Andrea?
Planned Parenthood’s Cecile Richards strikes back at Andrea Mitchell’s obsession with Clinton’s marriage

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Ming5000  May 10, 2016 • 2:47:16am

re: #100 Bill and Opus for 2016!

Will the red states continue their slide such that people and companies escalate in their avoidance of living/existing in those states? It seems like they are in a death spiral.

I hope the Trump thing helps break the fever at not only the national level, but also at the state and local levels.

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Decatur Deb  May 10, 2016 • 2:48:36am

For the last 10 days, President Obama’s Gallup approval rating has been over 50%, with no disapproval higher than 46%.

‘Morning. all.

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Decatur Deb  May 10, 2016 • 2:52:05am

Oops. Here’s the link:

gallup.com

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Targetpractice  May 10, 2016 • 2:52:50am

re: #103 Decatur Deb

For the last 10 days, President Obama’s Gallup approval rating has been over 50%, with no disapproval higher than 46%.

‘Morning. all.

Which means we can expect to spend the next six months being told about how the DNC needs to avoid any association with him if it wants to win in November.

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teleskiguy  May 10, 2016 • 2:54:49am
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Decatur Deb  May 10, 2016 • 3:02:05am

re: #105 Targetpractice

Which means we can expect to spend the next six months being told about how the DNC needs to avoid any association with him if it wants to win in November.

He’s a corporation-licking centrist, probably has a nic on Freep.

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freetoken  May 10, 2016 • 3:12:55am

re: #97 freetoken

So doing a little more digging, supposedly she graduated from music school in 1960, was in her first film in 1961, and debuted as a solo performer in 1962. So even though that video is labeled “1960”, and it is clearly from the ‘60’s, I’m not so sure it is from 1960 (unless that was her graduation recital, which I doubt.)

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goddamnedfrank  May 10, 2016 • 3:33:24am
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Decatur Deb  May 10, 2016 • 3:39:36am

The TPGOP rallying to Il Douche:

McCarthy signs up to be a Trump delegate

politico.com

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freetoken  May 10, 2016 • 3:49:50am

Ok, so now I’m obsessed. The song is from 1960 but she was not the original performer, obviously. The video has to come from the vast NHK library and the Youtube video was a capture from a BS1 (their satellite channel) rebroadcast.

From her looks it appears Chieko did this performance sometime between when the photos were taken for these record releases:
Image: 626011.jpg
Image: tubakinokomoriuta.jpg

I can’t find the releases even on the online King discography webpage the company maintains.

Anyway, it was sometime in the 1960’s I believe.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 10, 2016 • 3:54:38am

re: #100 Bill and Opus for 2016!

“vivid vigor”? Maybe he means “vim and vigor,” but it might be an unintentional reference to the movie studio that makes his favorite movies, Vivid Entertainment.

Whaddaya think?

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Ming5000  May 10, 2016 • 4:00:24am

re: #111 freetoken

Ok, now I don’t feel bad about posting about the “next GOP debate in August”.

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Alyosha  May 10, 2016 • 4:17:23am

Sam Bee is the tits. I love her fake sincerity highschooler deliveries.

And here she is, in part, lamenting Ted Cruz dropping out of the race.
Even if you don’t watch it, some of the names she has for Cruz are priceless.

Fist-faced horseshit salesman.
Revival tent golem
America’s Newman.
Half-melted Reagan dummy.
Unflushable toilet clog.

and my favourite,
Human Twilight Zone music.

Trump/ Michelle Branch | Full Frontal with Samantha Bee | TBS

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Dark_Falcon  May 10, 2016 • 4:17:51am

re: #102 Ming5000

Will the red states continue their slide such that people and companies escalate in their avoidance of living/existing in those states? It seems like they are in a death spiral.

I hope the Trump thing helps break the fever at not only the national level, but also at the state and local levels.

“The red states” is too broad a category, really. South Carolina is doing well, and Tennessee is growing as well. South Carolina is actually more socially conservative than North Carolina, it just has a better governor who has proven able to govern without signing stupid bills that alienate people.

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Kent Dorfman  May 10, 2016 • 4:51:40am

Ozzy has been found!

Ozzy Osbourne has resurfaced after going MIA amid reports that wife Sharon Osbourne had kicked him out of the house for allegedly having an affair with a hairstylist.

But the rocker didn’t look like he’d been near a hairstylist in ages, with his signature long locks a mess as he walked through the streets of Los Angeles carrying his dog on Monday.

Despite rumors of divorce, a solemn-looking Ozzy was still wearing his wedding ring.

Ozzy spoke out this weekend to dispel rumors that he’d fallen off the wagon.

Please read in Ozzy-speak:

“I have been sober for three-and-a-quarter years, I have not touched drugs or alcohol in that time. Any reports that I am not sober are completely inaccurate.”

I want to have my GPS give me directions in Ozzy-speak.

Ozzy Osbourne tomtom GPS voice FUNNY!

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Targetpractice  May 10, 2016 • 4:53:49am

re: #116 Kent Dorfman

Ozzy has been found!

Please read in Ozzy-speak:

I want to have my GPS give me directions in Ozzy-speak.

[Embedded content]

Ozzy might want to be careful, it seems the Grim Reaper has it out for musicians this year.

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Decatur Deb  May 10, 2016 • 4:55:42am

re: #117 Targetpractice

Ozzy might want to be careful, it seems the Grim Reaper has it out for musicians this year.

re: #116 Kent Dorfman

Ozzy has been found!

Please read in Ozzy-speak:

I want to have my GPS give me directions in Ozzy-speak.

[Embedded content]

Only time I heard him was at the Rally for Sanity/Fear. We really need another Rally for Sanity.

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Decatur Deb  May 10, 2016 • 4:57:29am
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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  May 10, 2016 • 5:13:53am

Testing..

Having issues with chrome.

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Kent Dorfman  May 10, 2016 • 5:20:04am

I’m going to get medieval on you!

As comfortable in a suit as he is in full-body armor, this Wall Street guy’s hobby is to go medieval on other men and bash their heads in with clubs and hatchets.

Damion DiGrazia is a founding member of a New York group dedicated to a modern version of medieval hand-to-hand combat, part of a larger Armored Combat League.

‘In this sport… The goal is to take everyone on the opposing team to the ground,’ DiGrazia, 35, says in a recent mini-documentary called ‘Harlem Fight Knight’ produced by MEL Magazine.

And how do the ‘knights’ force their opponents to the ground? By charging them with medieval-style weapons, of course.

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Kent Dorfman  May 10, 2016 • 5:24:06am

re: #121 Kent Dorfman

I am sorry, but all I can’t stop looking at their silly sneakers.

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Decatur Deb  May 10, 2016 • 5:25:06am

re: #121 Kent Dorfman

I’m going to get medieval on you!

Upscale SCA with no duct tape.

The first rule of ACL Club is “no ceorls”.

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Teukka  May 10, 2016 • 5:26:08am

So I guess that you’ve all heard about the reich wingers latest faux outrage, about Facebook censoring conservative news… So this article is nothing new… However, look at the comments on the article, especially those coming from the right-wingers? See a pattern?

usatoday.com

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Alyosha  May 10, 2016 • 5:27:43am

Listened to this after resting it for 24-hours.
I really like it.

Radiohead - Daydreaming

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Dr. Matt  May 10, 2016 • 5:29:28am

Top of the morning to you, fellow Freeper-liters!

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Patricia Kayden  May 10, 2016 • 5:34:28am

re: #1 goddamnedfrank

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Mississippi too? Dang! It would be shocking if Secretary Clinton won one of the reddest states in the country this November. Thanks Trump!

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Patricia Kayden  May 10, 2016 • 5:39:01am

re: #10 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Pinterest, like any other business, has the right to make the hires it deems fit, including hires which consider diversity as a plus. I thought Rightwingers respected business decisions.

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Timothy Watson  May 10, 2016 • 5:42:12am

I am starting to worry that Democrats/liberals might be getting a little giddy at the prospect of Trump’s nomination.

I feel a need to quote Mr. Wolfe from Pulp Fiction.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 10, 2016 • 5:45:07am

re: #128 Patricia Kayden

Pinterest, like any other business, has the right to make the hires it deems fit, including hires which consider diversity as a plus. I thought Rightwingers respected business decisions.

Only when it suits them.

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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 5:47:48am

Greets and saluts from the sunny and cheery NYC metro area. Of course that mellow outlook is going to take a beating today as right wingers (and some on the left) question that President Obama will be making a stop in Hiroshima on his planned trip to Japan later this year.

Expect the usual caterwauling about how he’s an apologist for everything the US does (even when he doesn’t issue apologies) and that US power and prestige has gone in the toilet since he’s been in office (no evidence, but the right wing has eschewed fact/evidence based reality since Obama took office).

A trip to Hiroshima is indeed wrought with all kinds of connotations, but let’s not kid ourselves. The US nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were single bombs doing tremendous devastation. The US wrought similar damage on cities like Tokyo with firebombing raids that killed hundreds of thousands of people (Hiroshima and Nagasaki were on the target list because the firebombing raids had skipped them by). What makes Hiroshima (and Nagasaki) special is that a single atomic bomb was dropped doing more damage than a 1,000 bomber firebombing raid ever could.

It’s the kind of epochal event that should never ever be repeated. By anyone, anywhere.

Our laws of war have changed, and we’ve come to be close allies with Japan, but the history is what it is (no matter how much some try to rewrite it).

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Big Beautiful Door  May 10, 2016 • 5:48:01am

re: #129 Timothy Watson

I am starting to worry that Democrats/liberals might be getting a little giddy at the prospect of Trump’s nomination.

I feel a need to quote Mr. Wolfe from Pulp Fiction.

Don’t worry so much. There aren’t enough white men to elect Trump President, and his nomination is our best chance at winning control of Congress and having a two year window to get some progressive legislation passed.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 10, 2016 • 5:50:26am

re: #116 Kent Dorfman

Ozzy was never missing-he’s always been here with me….

Yes, my name is Ozzy, you hairless ape.
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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 5:53:12am

Re: Facebook “censoring” right wing views.

The reports yesterday were anecdotal and suggested that individual curators were involved, and that this wasn’t a company policy. The reports also suggested that some of the curators went after liberal views too (because it was the person involved doing the “curating”.

In other words, it was unsanctioned by Facebook, but it wont keep right wingers from frothing about how they’re being oppressed.

It’s not quite a good analogy to the IRS kerfuffle, but there the GOP/right wingers were complaining that the IRS targeted right wing entities seeking nonprofit status. What was ignored is that the IRS was targeting all entities - trying to make sure that they were actually entitled to nonprofit status, and they figured on using a shortcut to help make the determination because they were shortstaffed and lacked the resources to do a more thorough check. The shortcut involved keyword names used by the entities.

It included right wing and left wing names, but the GOP touted only the right wing connection.

This was all so much BS, but it hasn’t stopped them from ginning up the controversy. With the IRS you were talking a federal agency.

Here? This is a private business that wasn’t even engaging in an actual company policy - just a few “curators” that went rogue. More to the point, Facebook is a private business, and the right wing usually likes private business - except when they don’t do the right wing’s bidding.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 10, 2016 • 5:59:32am

Uh, because you said so?

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Dr. Matt  May 10, 2016 • 6:02:32am

re: #134 lawhawk

Here’s some imperative words from Gizmodo:

In other words, Facebook’s news section operates like a traditional newsroom, reflecting the biases of its workers and the institutional imperatives of the corporation. Imposing human editorial values onto the lists of topics an algorithm spits out is by no means a bad thing—but it is in stark contrast to the company’s claims that the trending module simply lists “topics that have recently become popular on Facebook.”

Apparently it’s ok for am hate radio, fox “news”, and right-wing media to be biased, but it’s a mortal sin for anyone else to have a bias. Facebook doesn’t owe anything to conservatives, or anyone else for that matter. It’s their sandbox. If you don’t like it, go play somewhere else.

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Timothy Watson  May 10, 2016 • 6:04:46am

re: #135 The Vicious Babushka

Uh, because you said so?

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“It does prove though how everything is a matter of perspective. You see what you think is daylight, and you assume it’s morning. Take it away, you think it’s night. Offer you a sandwich, if it’s convenient, you’ll think it’s mid-day. The truth is fluid, the truth is subjective.”

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jeffreyw  May 10, 2016 • 6:07:21am

Flickr

Good morning!

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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 6:10:50am

re: #135 The Vicious Babushka

He said that the tax rate would be higher than the 25% top tax rate he proposed, but it’d be lower than the existing top tax rate.

Why would the media report that he flipped and flopped? Because Trump uses all manner of weasel words and is incoherent when trying to identify his specific policies.

Same thing happened with his comments about the minimum wage.

He is on the record from previously stating that he would abolish the minimum wage and thinks that people are paid too much. This past weekend he stated that wages should rise, but that it should be up to the states.

In other words, he’s willing to let the states do what they want - which in several cases would mean no minimum wage (that’d be those bastions of worker protection like Louisiana and Mississippi and Tennessee and South Carolina and Alabama) or who have a state rate that is below the federal rate like Georgia ($5.15).

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Belafon  May 10, 2016 • 6:14:40am

re: #53 Targetpractice

So I just read an opinion piece from RawStory, and witnessed a whole new realm of math to argue the Bernie is the true leader in the Dem race. According to the author, the best way to decide candidates is to move away from a system that’s already accused of being a popularity contest into a system that dispenses with any doubt. He proposes we adopt “majority judgement,” i.e. replacing “one man, one vote” with multiple choice. Instead of a ballot that would read

* Donald Trump
* Hillary Clinton

You’d get a ballot that read:

“How would you rank these candidates as potential presidents?”

* Donald Trump - Great, Good, Average, Bad, Terrible
* Hillary Clinton - Great, Good, Average, Bad, Terrible

All these schemes represent are ways for the person coming up with them to manipulate the vote into voting for their candidate. What scale would that person assign to them: 4, 3, 2, 1, 0; 8, 4, 2, 1, 0; 1Tr, 1M, 1T, 10, 0?

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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 6:15:17am

It’s six months out from the November elections, and the media is already working towards a horse race between Hillary Clinton and Donny Trump. It’s what they have to do to keep attention and polling is how they’ll try and shape the narrative.

Here’s where we stand. It’s 6 months out. There’s a lot that can happen between now and Election Day. People have to make sure that they’re registered to vote. And then they have to get out and vote on Election Day (or mail in by the deadlines as per their state rules).

And they have to keep voting in every successive election. Vote like your rights depend on it.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 10, 2016 • 6:16:36am

re: #139 lawhawk

He said that the tax rate would be higher than the 25% top tax rate he proposed, but it’d be lower than the existing top tax rate.

Why would the media report that he flipped and flopped? Because Trump uses all manner of weasel words and is incoherent when trying to identify his specific policies.

Same thing happened with his comments about the minimum wage.

He is on the record from previously stating that he would abolish the minimum wage and thinks that people are paid too much. This past weekend he stated that wages should rise, but that it should be up to the states.

In other words, he’s willing to let the states do what they want - which in several cases would mean no minimum wage (that’d be those bastions of worker protection like Louisiana and Mississippi and Tennessee and South Carolina and Alabama) or who have a state rate that is below the federal rate like Georgia ($5.15).

What it boils down to is he will say whatever he thinks the crowd in front of him will cheer for. That’s why he repeats everything twice. The first time is to gauge the crowd reaction, the second time to reinforce it. Typical con man patter.

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Great White Snark  May 10, 2016 • 6:20:18am

re: #134 lawhawk

I had Paged a thought or two on that.
Nothin’burger IMO.

These guys resent every bias that does not support them. Ridiculous.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 10, 2016 • 6:20:48am

re: #106 teleskiguy

Hoover Dam power plant, Nevada side. I have to say this kind of blew my mind. Floor of the observation deck.

The WPA left its mark on American art & culture.

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Sir John Barron  May 10, 2016 • 6:22:29am
It is a regression to the conservatism of blood and soil, of ethnic polarization and bullying nationalism. Modern conservatives sought to bury this rubbish with a politics that strikes a balance between respect for tradition and faith in the dynamic and culture-shifting possibilities of open markets

This dude must not have gotten the memo. Liberals are the real racists and Dem party was KKK!!!

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Belafon  May 10, 2016 • 6:24:47am

re: #128 Patricia Kayden

Pinterest, like any other business, has the right to make the hires it deems fit, including hires which consider diversity as a plus. I thought Rightwingers respected business decisions.

Only decisions that result in the choice of white men.

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Belafon  May 10, 2016 • 6:26:50am

re: #129 Timothy Watson

I am starting to worry that Democrats/liberals might be getting a little giddy at the prospect of Trump’s nomination.

I feel a need to quote Mr. Wolfe from Pulp Fiction.

I think it’s better if we work with the idea that we’re ahead but could lose it if we don’t work hard enough, rather than thinking we’re behind and need to work hard to catch up. Most people prefer feeling like they’re winning.

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Dr. Matt  May 10, 2016 • 6:30:35am

re: #141 lawhawk

It’s six months out from the November elections, and the media is already working towards a horse race between Hillary Clinton and Donny Trump. It’s what they have to do to keep attention and polling is how they’ll try and shape the narrative.

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And the media has spent the entire morning carrying Trump’s water by continuously evoking Bill Clinton’s affair from 25 years ago. It’s amazing that the librul media has yet to dredge through Trump’s [despicable] past.

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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 6:35:31am

re: #149 Dr. Matt

And the media has spent the entire morning carrying Trump’s water by continuously evoking Bill Clinton’s affair from 25 years ago. It’s amazing that the librul media has yet to drudge their Trump’s [despicable] past.

Clinton’s affair 25 years ago?

Trump had how many affairs and how many wives? We’re going to go down this road?

Even Erick Erickson thinks this is nuts. That broken clock struck the right time for once in a generation with that. Trump’s about the worst person to dredge up the Clinton-Lewinsky affair. Former GOP Speakers of the House Newt or Hastert might be worse (and Newt’s one of Trump’s biggest defenders who had affairs and Hastert’s going to prison for sex assaults).

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Snarknado!  May 10, 2016 • 6:38:09am

re: #148 Belafon

I think it’s better if we work with the idea that we’re ahead but could lose it if we don’t work hard enough, rather than thinking we’re behind and need to work hard to catch up. Most people prefer feeling like they’re winning.

I resurrect my mantra from 2012: Don’t Get Complacent.

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Belafon  May 10, 2016 • 6:39:09am

Saw a bumper sticker that said: “1.20.17 Obama’s last day. Change is coming.” I suspect, when the person put the sticker on, he wasn’t thinking “first woman president.”

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Eventual Carrion  May 10, 2016 • 6:39:19am

re: #84 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Because Allahu Akhbar.

He should have shouted “no more baby parts!”. That is the accepted war cry for murdering people.

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Dr. Matt  May 10, 2016 • 6:41:32am

I just put my contacts in and read the litany of typos in my previous posts. Jebus.

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William Lewis  May 10, 2016 • 6:43:05am

re: #145 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The WPA left its mark on American art & culture.

What we think of documentary photography, in that way of crossing the story with artistic use of the medium, rests on the WPA photography. I’d argue that, profound as the architecture could be, the propaganda of the photography was even more profoundly influential on the direction of American culture.

This photo for example, changed the way some viewed the working poor as a class:

Image: migrant-mother-by-dorothea-lange.jpg

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The Vicious Babushka  May 10, 2016 • 6:58:32am

What in the utter fuck

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The Vicious Babushka  May 10, 2016 • 6:59:11am

“Vicious” commercial because Hillary just used all of his own words at him.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 10, 2016 • 6:59:46am

re: #157 The Vicious Babushka

“Vicious” commercial because Hillary just used all of his own words at him.

Dastardly!

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Timothy Watson  May 10, 2016 • 7:00:19am

re: #158 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Dastardly!

Ghastly!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 10, 2016 • 7:02:43am

re: #157 The Vicious Babushka

“Vicious” commercial because Hillary just used all of his own words at him.

“Vicious” because is it not fawning/flattering/unquestioning. Those are the only possibilities when it comes to discussing DT, his kids or his (current) wife..

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The Vicious Babushka  May 10, 2016 • 7:07:49am

Yes, that dumbass is still holed up in the Ecuador embassy.

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b.d.  May 10, 2016 • 7:09:13am

re: #161 The Vicious Babushka

Yes, that dumbass is still holed up in the Ecuador embassy.

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Poor kitteh.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 10, 2016 • 7:12:59am

re: #162 b.d.

Poor kitteh.

He probably bores kitty to death by talking so much

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b.d.  May 10, 2016 • 7:15:03am

re: #163 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He probably bores kitty to death by talking so much

Teaching the kitty to bow before Julian is going to be the hard part.

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Alyosha  May 10, 2016 • 7:16:08am

re: #161 The Vicious Babushka

I read a bit:

The news about Assange’s kitten was made public by WikiLeaks — once known for uncovering deeply held government secrets — and its media operation Sunshine Press.

Whadda scoop!!!!

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Alyosha  May 10, 2016 • 7:19:49am

Plus this:

WikiLeaks and Sunshine Press have released a photograph of the kitten and Assange appearing deep in contemplation.

The picture shows a man contemplating the taste of cat flesh.

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Sir John Barron  May 10, 2016 • 7:20:19am

re: #1 goddamnedfrank

All the chattering nonsense about “southern states don’t matter” looks idiotic now that polls show Trump has no lock on NC, GA or MS.
— AlGiordano

If HRC were to win GA, or dog forbid, MS, Erick son of Erick’s head would spin around.

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Birth Control Works  May 10, 2016 • 7:21:43am

“On May 10, 1869, a golden spike was driven at Promontory, Utah, marking the completion of the first transcontinental railroad in the United States.”

—NY Times Daily Digest email

How is it today?

It’s rainy and cool by me.

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Great White Snark  May 10, 2016 • 7:23:06am

re: #161 The Vicious Babushka

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darthstar  May 10, 2016 • 7:23:53am

Quick link drop so I can give Charles the credit for dog supplements.

amazon.com

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Dr. Matt  May 10, 2016 • 7:25:50am
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Birth Control Works  May 10, 2016 • 7:26:03am

re: #170 darthstar

Quick link drop so I can give Charles the credit for dog supplements.

amazon.com

I buy the Fish Oil usually off the sale self at Walgreens. The human kind is cheaper even if it isn’t on sale. WE all take them.

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Dr. Matt  May 10, 2016 • 7:27:34am

“Lyin Ted”
“Little Rubio”
“Crooked Hillary”

Who the fuck talks like this?

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Birth Control Works  May 10, 2016 • 7:27:54am

re: #170 darthstar

Quick link drop so I can give Charles the credit for dog supplements.

amazon.com

You may be interested in this article I stumbled upon the other day.

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Targetpractice  May 10, 2016 • 7:28:25am

re: #173 Dr. Matt

“Lyin Ted”
“Little Rubio”
“Crooked Hillary”

Who the fuck talks like this?

A bully.

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ObserverArt  May 10, 2016 • 7:28:56am

Morning.

I caught these comments by John Stewart earlier and looked to see if I could find them in a Google search.

Fun punching at Trump but he also digs a bit on Hillary.

I find the Clinton comment a little unfair. I guess he thinks a bit like some of the conversations around here, especially the dust-up yesterday afternoon…not shooting for the stars enough or thinking big enough.

In her defense I see her as having been around Washington a long time and knowing big dreams get crushed so she goes to the practical and achievable move the big rock up the steep hill approach. It is not sexy.

I guess that is going to be the consistent criticism for her…too established, too much another Washington politician.

Jon Stewart goes on rant against ‘man-baby’ Trump

Jon Stewart may no longer be hosting his show known for biting takedowns of political figures, but that didn’t stop him Monday from going on an epic rant against Donald Trump. The former “Daily Show” host told David Axelrod at the University of Chicago Institute of Politics that he isn’t even sure the presumptive Republican nominee is eligible for the presidency.

“I’m not a constitutional scholar, so I can’t necessarily say, but are you eligible to run if you are a man-baby, or a baby-man?” Stewart said during a taping of Axelrod’s podcast “The Axe Files.” “He has the physical countenance of a man and a baby’s temperament and hands.”

Stewart went on to describe Trump as thin-skinned and an “unrepentant, narcissistic a—hole.” And he mocked Trump’s campaign slogan. “When was America great? What is this time that he speaks of? ‘81 to ‘82? Like what are we talking about? And who took your country away from you?” he said.

But the comedian didn’t exactly have nice words for Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton, either, calling her a “very bright woman without the courage of her convictions, because I’m not even sure what they are.”

“That is not to say that she is not preferable to Donald Trump because, at this point, I would vote for Mr. T over Donald Trump,” he said.

Stewart had some harsh words for the candidates’ political parties as well. While the Republican Party’s “sole purpose is to freeze the government and to not fix any of the problems that are associated with it,” the Democratic Party has failed to make government more efficient and opened the door to a Trump candidacy, he said.

He also criticized the media’s coverage of the 2016 campaigns, saying the relationship between journalists and politicians is no longer one of “predator and prey” but of remora and shark. Stewart said 24-hour networks amplify voices that are “the most conflict-oriented, the most extreme,” and Trump’s strategy has been the same as Jonny Fairplay’s on “Survivor.”

—cut— (a bit more at the link)

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Sir John Barron  May 10, 2016 • 7:29:37am

re: #173 Dr. Matt

“Lyin Ted”
“Little Rubio”
“Crooked Hillary”

Who the fuck talks like this?

Someone’s who’s about to win the GOP nomination for president.

I know.

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Dr. Matt  May 10, 2016 • 7:30:12am

re: #175 Targetpractice

A bully.

A bully with a 7th grade vocabulary.

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Birth Control Works  May 10, 2016 • 7:30:43am

re: #175 Targetpractice

“That is not to say that she is not preferable to Donald Trump because, at this point, I would vote for Mr. T over Donald Trump,” he said.

yes!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 10, 2016 • 7:32:35am

re: #179 Birth Control Works

“That is not to say that she is not preferable to Donald Trump because, at this point, I would vote for Mr. T over Donald Trump,” he said.

I wish there were another candidate I could support, but I see HRC as the best choice out there.

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Birth Control Works  May 10, 2016 • 7:33:38am

re: #180 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I wish there were another candidate I could support, but I see HRC as the best choice out there.

You won’t regret voting for her.

Honestly!

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Alyosha  May 10, 2016 • 7:34:22am

re: #179 Birth Control Works

I mostly lurk except for these the wee hours.
It’s good to see you on consecutive days again :)

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Birth Control Works  May 10, 2016 • 7:35:05am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 10, 2016 • 7:36:36am

re: #181 Birth Control Works

You won’t regret voting for her.

Honestly!

I will, too, but I would regret voting for DT a lot more…

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Birth Control Works  May 10, 2016 • 7:37:34am

re: #184 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I will, too, but I would regret voting for DT a lot more…

Perhaps we will remember to revisit this issue in 4 years time.

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Belafon  May 10, 2016 • 7:39:33am

re: #180 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I wish there were another candidate I could support, but I see HRC as the best choice out there.

Which means she’s exactly what she is: Out of all the candidates running, she’s the best one. You can either be pessimistic when thinking about it, or optimistic, or just call it what it is. I think she’s significantly better than a large number of candidates that could have run, but we only get to choose from those who actually do.

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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 7:39:41am

Shaun King being Shaun King:

These are polls 6 months out and OMG the sky is falling that Trump’s close/ahead of Hillary in a single poll. Except that he isn’t.

And the same polls show Trump close to Sanders too - Sanders up by 2 in FL according to same Quinnipiac poll.

But like I said above. This is 6 months out.

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Birth Control Works  May 10, 2016 • 7:40:21am

I became a registered user to LGF in 2004.

Damn, I’m getting old.

The little boy that live(d) across the way just got married and they expecting a child.

My first employer in the Chicago area just turned 75.

I really, really am having a difficult time assimilating all of this change.

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Birth Control Works  May 10, 2016 • 7:41:09am

re: #186 Belafon

Which means she’s exactly what she is: Out of all the candidates running, she’s the best one. You can either be pessimistic when thinking about it, or optimistic, or just call it what it is. I think she’s significantly better than a large number of candidates that could have run, but we only get to choose from those who actually do.

I’m not sure this nation has ever seen a candidate so well prepared enter the Oval Office.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 10, 2016 • 7:42:20am

re: #173 Dr. Matt

“Lyin Ted”
“Little Rubio”
“Crooked Hillary”

Who the fuck talks like this?

Pigfucker Donnie

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 10, 2016 • 7:42:34am
re: #186 Belafon

Which means she’s exactly what she is: Out of all the candidates running, she’s the best one. You can either be pessimistic when thinking about it, or optimistic, or just call it what it is. I think she’s significantly better than a large number of candidates that could have run, but we only get to choose from those who actually do.

That is also my point. Doesn’t mean I have to like her…

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Birth Control Works  May 10, 2016 • 7:43:11am
https://psmag.com/how-many-people-die-from-medical-errors-every-year-in-the-united-states-cc2f63b7e221#.3yplvjukm
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MsJ  May 10, 2016 • 7:43:13am

re: #35 Targetpractice

I think by this point he’s beginning to realize that the race is lost. Now it’s about cutting his losses in order to avoid massive campaign debt.

But is Bernie still going to ratfuck the convention?

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The Vicious Babushka  May 10, 2016 • 7:44:36am

Stephen Colbert talks about Trump’s fabulous hair

Coal Miners Love Trump

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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 7:45:29am
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Birth Control Works  May 10, 2016 • 7:49:52am

re: #195 lawhawk

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Video

John Goodman is one fine actor.

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MsJ  May 10, 2016 • 7:50:07am

re: #79 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He should then threaten to move all his assets and production facilities abroad…

This suits me better.

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Birth Control Works  May 10, 2016 • 7:51:19am
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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 7:54:11am

More Shaun King, who thinks that the election will be decided because young voters are turned off by Hillary or Trump.

Except that young people just don’t vote.

They vote in smaller numbers than other demographic groups. So, if you’re hinging your strategy on young voter turnout, prepare to be disappointed.

Then again, that’d explain why Bernie’s losing by 300 delegates, a couple million votes, and a few hundred superdelegates.

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ObserverArt  May 10, 2016 • 7:54:29am

re: #189 Birth Control Works

I’m not sure this nation has ever seen a candidate so well prepared enter the Oval Office.

People want a big show…fireworks…a parade…and a complete change in how America works.

I understand that. I guess I’ve been around too long to think we will have sweeping change. That may only happen if something traumatic happens that forces something big as far as American politics and society…like a war, a huge disaster, total economic collapse, etc.

Right now I’m going with the steady as she goes cap’t’n approach. Trump may be able to bring the traumatic change…don’t know if anyone wants that.

I was thinking last evening after reading the big debate in the afternoon thread from yesterday: When was the last time a President ran on a huge platform of big change and actually achieved it?

Has it really ever happened or was it time and place that made it seem so. John Kennedy? Ron Reagan? Jimmy Carter? Barack Obama?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 10, 2016 • 7:56:01am

re: #200 ObserverArt

People want a big show…fireworks…a parade…and a complete change in how America works.

I understand that. I guess I’ve been around too long to think we will have sweeping change. That may only happen if something traumatic happens that forces something big as far as American politics and society…like a war, a huge disaster, total economic collapse, etc.

Right now I’m going with the steady as she goes cap’t’n approach. Trump may be able to bring the traumatic change…don’t know if anyone wants that.

I was thinking last evening after reading the big debate in the afternoon thread from yesterday: When was the last time a President ran on a huge platform of big change and actually achieved it?

Has it really ever happened or was it time and place that made it seem so. John Kennedy? Ron Reagan? Jimmy Carter? Barack Obama?

FDR. Though WWII helped with the change-making.

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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 7:56:22am

Ooops. Wrong cut/paste. Damnit Bucky!

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Timothy Watson  May 10, 2016 • 7:57:27am

re: #202 lawhawk

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We know who to cast if Disney wants to make any Star Wars films set after ROTJ?

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Dave In Austin  May 10, 2016 • 7:58:03am

re: #173 Dr. Matt

“Lyin Ted”
“Little Rubio”
“Crooked Hillary”

Who the fuck talks like this?

Dog-Shit Donald….

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Birth Control Works  May 10, 2016 • 7:58:50am
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ObserverArt  May 10, 2016 • 7:59:21am

re: #201 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

FDR. Though WWII helped with the change-making.

That goes to my point about change coming through traumatic events forcing it.

And the country was smaller and more nimble politically then too.

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Birth Control Works  May 10, 2016 • 8:00:54am

re: #206 ObserverArt

That goes to my point about change coming through traumatic events forcing it.

And the country was smaller and more nimble politically then too.

Are kids taught about The Rural Electrification Act?

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Dr. Matt  May 10, 2016 • 8:00:55am

SC man who shot and ‘slow-cooked’ intruders out on bail thanks to ‘stand your ground’ law

James Edward Loftis, 39, is facing murder charges in the deaths of taxi driver Guma Oz Dubar, 46, and his friend James Cody Newland, 32, on March 5 after they demanded he pay his fare following a ride home from a strip club.

While Loftis has given police varying accounts of what happened that evening — once saying he invited the men in, while another time saying they barged into his home — several facts are not in dispute.

Loftis admitted that he shot both men before dragging their bodies outside his house, where he placed them in a shallow grave and set them on fire along with his bloody clothes before burying them.

Once again proving that SYG laws are a menace to society.

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Targetpractice  May 10, 2016 • 8:02:46am

re: #187 lawhawk

Shaun King being Shaun King:

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But like I said above. This is 6 months out.

It’s going to be October and the Bernie Bros will still be screaming “LAST CHANCE TO DITCH HILLARY AND GO WITH THE WINNER!!!”

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ObserverArt  May 10, 2016 • 8:02:48am

re: #205 Birth Control Works

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You know that is also the very day the world went to hell as far as fundamental religion thinking. Been a big battle the whole time since.

Even if many of the women in the fundie organizations probably use the pill.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 10, 2016 • 8:03:07am

re: #207 Birth Control Works

Are kids taught about The Rural Electrification Act?

Government intrusion. Biggest mistake ever. Private industry would have done it — eventually. For a price.

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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 8:04:27am

re: #209 Targetpractice

It’s going to be October and the Bernie Bros will still be screaming “LAST CHANCE TO DITCH HILLARY AND GO WITH THE WINNER!!!”

It’s going to be October when polls show Hillary close or ahead in places like LA, GA, AL, NC, SC, and KY, and they’ll be claiming it’s the last chance to DITCH HILLARY AND GO WITH THE WINNER!!!”

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ipsos  May 10, 2016 • 8:04:31am

re: #94 freetoken

Just getting to this now - I don’t even think it’s from the 1960s. The key here is the mic she’s using, which I believe is a Shure model that didn’t appear until the early 1970s.

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Sir John Barron  May 10, 2016 • 8:04:53am

re: #211 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Government intrusion. Biggest mistake ever. Private industry would have done it — eventually. For a price.

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Moar free stuff.

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Birth Control Works  May 10, 2016 • 8:05:04am

re: #210 ObserverArt

You know that is also the very day the world went to hell as far as fundamental religion thinking. Been a big battle the whole time since.

Even if many of the women in the fundie organizations probably use the pill.

According to the Fundies, the day the world went to hell was —well there are two days:

1-January 1, 1863
2-August 8, 1920

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Birth Control Works  May 10, 2016 • 8:06:24am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 10, 2016 • 8:06:30am

re: #214 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Moar free stuff.

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Thanks, Obama!

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Targetpractice  May 10, 2016 • 8:10:58am

re: #212 lawhawk

It’s going to be October when polls show Hillary close or ahead in places like LA, GA, AL, NC, SC, and KY, and they’ll be claiming it’s the last chance to DITCH HILLARY AND GO WITH THE WINNER!!!”

Thing is, we’ve watched this script enough times to know that they’ll never admit they were wrong. They’ll go to Election Day convinced she’s gonna lose in a landslide, because that’s the only way to square the circle in their fantasy world. When she does win, and especially if she wins big, they’ll either try to take credit for the victory or they’ll gnash their teeth and scream that Democrats have doomed the country.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 10, 2016 • 8:11:13am

re: #215 Birth Control Works

According to the Fundies, the day the world went to hell was —well there are two days:

1-January 1, 1863
2-August 8, 1920

3-February 3, 1913

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lizardofid  May 10, 2016 • 8:11:53am

re: #205 Birth Control Works

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Loretta wrote it in 1972, label wouldn’t release it till 1975, and radio still wouldn’t play it.

Loretta Lynn The Pill

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Birth Control Works  May 10, 2016 • 8:13:05am

re: #219 The Vicious Babushka

3-February 3, 1913

very true!

Hey Baba, what pie day is it?

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danarchy  May 10, 2016 • 8:13:42am

re: #208 Dr. Matt

SC man who shot and ‘slow-cooked’ intruders out on bail thanks to ‘stand your ground’ law

Once again proving that SYG laws are a menace to society.

I think that is more of a case of a dimwit judge. There is nothing in the stand your ground law that requires he get bail, that was entirely in the judges discretion.

That isn’t to say SYG laws aren’t mostly dumb, I just think blame should be assigned where it belongs.

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Birth Control Works  May 10, 2016 • 8:14:52am

re: #222 danarchy

I think that is more of a case of a dimwit judge. There is nothing in the stand your ground law that requires he get bail, that was entirely in the judges discretion.

That isn’t to say SYG laws aren’t mostly dumb, I just think blame should be assigned where it belongs.

It’s one thing to shoot an intruder in your home — the situation becomes entirely different when you bury the body and attempt to hide the incident.

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Birth Control Works  May 10, 2016 • 8:16:04am

re: #220 lizardofid

Loretta wrote it in 1972, label wouldn’t release it till 1975, and radio still wouldn’t play it.

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EXCELLENT!!!

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Sir John Barron  May 10, 2016 • 8:16:13am

Pretty amazing that no U.S. president—until Obama—has been to Hiroshima.

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Birth Control Works  May 10, 2016 • 8:16:54am

re: #225 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Pretty amazing that no U.S. president—until Obama—has been to Hiroshima.

I KNOW! I saw that. Difficult to fathom.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 10, 2016 • 8:17:44am

re: #223 Birth Control Works

It’s one thing to shoot an intruder in your home — the situation becomes entirely different when you bury the body and attempt to hide the incident.

The problem with SYG is that it encourages people to leave no living witnesses who contradict their version of events…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2016 • 8:18:13am

West Virginia and Nebraska primaries are today.

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Sir John Barron  May 10, 2016 • 8:19:14am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

West Virginia and Nebraska primaries are today.

Can’t be. Nobody on my teevee talking about it.

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Birth Control Works  May 10, 2016 • 8:19:21am

I have at least one friend in West Virginia that is voting for Hillary.

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Belafon  May 10, 2016 • 8:19:41am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

West Virginia and Nebraska primaries are today.

Expect a lot of noise about a southern state that has demographics more like Vermont than Virginia.

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Barefoot Grin  May 10, 2016 • 8:19:50am

re: #90 freetoken

Speaking of fashion, the following production, if one takes the totality of the set design, panelists, the audience, and the musicians, perhaps breaks every law of good fashion taste in the universe:

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Video

なつかしい。

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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 8:20:43am

re: #225 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Not particularly surprising given the baggage associated with it.

Ford was actually first sitting president to visit Japan in 1974. Carter visited Japan twice - 1979 and then in 1980. Reagan visited in 1983 and 1986. GWHB in 1989 and 1992. Etc.

Most have gone to Tokyo, a handful to Kyoto and a few have gone to other cities where the G7/G8/APEC conferences were being held.

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Sir John Barron  May 10, 2016 • 8:21:48am

re: #226 Birth Control Works

I KNOW! I saw that. Difficult to fathom.

First sitting president to do so. I just noticed that qualifier. Not sure if any former presidents have been.

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Birth Control Works  May 10, 2016 • 8:21:53am
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Decatur Deb  May 10, 2016 • 8:23:01am

re: #233 lawhawk

Not particularly surprising given the baggage associated with it.

Ford was actually first sitting president to visit Japan in 1974. Carter visited Japan twice - 1979 and then in 1980. Reagan visited in 1983 and 1986. GWHB in 1989 and 1992. Etc.

Most have gone to Tokyo, a handful to Kyoto and a few have gone to other cities where the G7/G8/APEC conferences were being held.

A visit to Hiroshima is an opportunity to say something that is, in one way or another, stupid.

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b_sharp  May 10, 2016 • 8:23:02am

re: #235 Birth Control Works

We have a National Mammal!

And it’s not the eagle.

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Targetpractice  May 10, 2016 • 8:23:29am

re: #231 Belafon

Expect a lot of noise about a southern state that has demographics more like Vermont than Virginia.

Look for it to be characterized as a “surprise” and/or an “upset.”

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Birth Control Works  May 10, 2016 • 8:23:50am

Axl Rose Triumphs at AC/DC Debut in Lisbon

This is probably one of the best combinations of heard of in a long time.

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sagehen  May 10, 2016 • 8:24:12am

re: #205 Birth Control Works

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Fun fact — contraceptive pills were an accidental discovery.

The pharm lab was trying to develop a treatment for endometriosis and ovarian cysts. During the testing phase they were sad to discover that while it was effective for this purpose, there was also “an unfortunate side effect” that the women on this medication were unable to conceive.

The lab director, the marketing team, the company management were frantic about trying to develop a way to eliminate the side effect. Three women who worked at the lab yelled and screamed and pounded on tables until they could persuade their bosses and colleagues that this “side effect” was a wonderful thing, that market demand for a contraceptive pill would be vastly greater than demand for anti-endometriosis medication.

When this proved to be true, the pharmaceutical industry began to consider the idea that perhaps a diverse workforce did enhance profitability.

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Decatur Deb  May 10, 2016 • 8:26:29am

re: #240 sagehen

Fun Fact II. Development and testing of one of the first CC pills, perhaps the first, was led by a Catholic.

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Birth Control Works  May 10, 2016 • 8:26:52am

re: #240 sagehen

Yes, and those women were most likely written off as “hysterical”.

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Barefoot Grin  May 10, 2016 • 8:27:28am

re: #131 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the sunny and cheery NYC metro area. Of course that mellow outlook is going to take a beating today as right wingers (and some on the left) question that President Obama will be making a stop in Hiroshima on his planned trip to Japan later this year.

Expect the usual caterwauling about how he’s an apologist for everything the US does (even when he doesn’t issue apologies) and that US power and prestige has gone in the toilet since he’s been in office (no evidence, but the right wing has eschewed fact/evidence based reality since Obama took office).

A trip to Hiroshima is indeed wrought with all kinds of connotations, but let’s not kid ourselves. The US nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were single bombs doing tremendous devastation. The US wrought similar damage on cities like Tokyo with firebombing raids that killed hundreds of thousands of people (Hiroshima and Nagasaki were on the target list because the firebombing raids had skipped them by). What makes Hiroshima (and Nagasaki) special is that a single atomic bomb was dropped doing more damage than a 1,000 bomber firebombing raid ever could.

It’s the kind of epochal event that should never ever be repeated. By anyone, anywhere.

Our laws of war have changed, and we’ve come to be close allies with Japan, but the history is what it is (no matter how much some try to rewrite it).

Totally agree. And it gives the Japanese the opportunity for a public discussion of the circumstances that led to such destruction. I’m hoping Pres. Obama makes that point, too, if need be.

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Decatur Deb  May 10, 2016 • 8:27:42am

re: #242 Birth Control Works

Yes, and those women were most likely written off as “hysterical”.

Sounds like that was their field.

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Testy Toad T  May 10, 2016 • 8:28:22am

re: #238 Targetpractice

Look for it to be characterized as a “surprise” and/or an “upset.”

Game-changer! Clinton campaign in shambles, looking to “shake up” staffing! California looming!

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Dr. Matt  May 10, 2016 • 8:28:39am

re: #222 danarchy

I think that is more of a case of a dimwit judge. There is nothing in the stand your ground law that requires he get bail, that was entirely in the judges discretion.

That isn’t to say SYG laws aren’t mostly dumb, I just think blame should be assigned where it belongs.

But the SYG laws allow the judge, dimwitted or not, to grant bail. LawHawk can correct me, but if the SYG laws were not in place, this guy would likely be sitting in jail waiting trial on a double murder case.

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b_sharp  May 10, 2016 • 8:30:01am

We have water falling from the sky, and there’s no way to send it northwest to FMM.

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Targetpractice  May 10, 2016 • 8:30:09am

re: #245 Testy Toad T

Game-changer! Clinton campaign in shambles, looking to “shake up” staffing! California looming!

“Sanders manages surprise upset in West Virginia, casting doubt on Clinton’s chances in California. Democrats worried that latest defeat could spell doom for Clinton in November.”

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Dr. Matt  May 10, 2016 • 8:30:26am

re: #227 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The problem with SYG is that it encourages people to leave no living witnesses who contradict their version of events…

I took a CHL course in Texas many, many moons ago and those words were basically the guidance from the instructor, i.e., dead men tell no tales.

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b_sharp  May 10, 2016 • 8:30:35am

Last night before the rain, we could smell the smoke from FMM.

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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 8:30:42am

Doesn’t change fact that the beer isn’t that good. Or that sales of big beer is down compared to the “craft” or “microbrews” which are being bought out by the big beer companies.

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Belafon  May 10, 2016 • 8:30:57am

re: #243 Barefoot Grin

Totally agree. And it gives the Japanese the opportunity for a public discussion of the circumstances that led to such destruction. I’m hoping Pres. Obama makes that point, too, if need be.

One thing we’ve seen Obama do over and over is point out US failures and then point out the country’s own lapse. A diplomatic “why do you keep denying your history?” would be expected by me, and I bet a bit grating on his host.

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Decatur Deb  May 10, 2016 • 8:31:22am

re: #245 Testy Toad T

Game-changer! Clinton campaign in shambles, looking to “shake up” staffing! California looming!

While Bernie gets one delegate fewer than his 538.com target, and HRC gets one more.

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Skip Intro  May 10, 2016 • 8:32:10am

London mayor rejects Trump’s offer to exempt him from proposed ban on Muslims entering the U.S.

“This isn’t just about me. It’s about my friends, my family and everyone who comes from a background similar to mine anywhere in the world,” he told Buzzfeed .

Khan added that Trump’s “ignorant view of Islam” threatens safety both in the U.S. and Britain.
……………..

“Donald Trump and those around him think that Western liberal values are incompatible with mainstream Islam — London has proved him wrong,” Khan said.

He sided with Hillary Clinton’s candidacy instead.

“I hope she trounces him,” he said, according to BBC News .

latimes.com

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b_sharp  May 10, 2016 • 8:33:30am

re: #251 lawhawk

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Doesn’t change fact that the beer isn’t that good. Or that sales of big beer is down compared to the “craft” or “microbrews” which are being bought out by the big beer companies.

The only thing preventing a beer monopoly is regulation.

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Testy Toad T  May 10, 2016 • 8:33:33am

re: #253 Decatur Deb

While Bernie gets one delegate fewer than his 538.com target, and HRC gets one more.

Remember when we used to take seriously those political “analysts” who judged the ebb and flow of proportional party primaries based on who was winning states?

God, how dumb were we?

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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 8:34:20am

re: #246 Dr. Matt

Not sure, but the guy should be sitting in jail for tampering with a crime scene. He moved evidence, destroyed evidence, and otherwise mangled the scene by moving the bodies and then attempting to burn the remains.

Generally, bail is set to ensure that the defendant shows up. If the defendant’s crimes are such that he poses a threat, bail can and should be withheld. I think that’s the case here, but the judge begged to differ (and is wrong about it, but that’s a judgment call).

The SYG law is a mess and doesn’t change fact that prosecutors should go after him for tampering with the crime scene.

You have to wonder if it were really as described by the defendant given how he moved the bodies and then tried to burn/bury the remains. That isn’t something a person who acted in self defense does. That’s something a person with something to hide does.

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Birth Control Works  May 10, 2016 • 8:34:35am

re: #246 Dr. Matt

But the SYG laws allow the judge, dimwitted or not, to grant bail. LawHawk can correct me, but if the SYG laws were not in place, this guy would likely be sitting in jail waiting trial on a double murder case.

think he wouldn’t get murder as they were intruders into his home, technically, but not reporting the shooting and then covering it up -literally would not bode well for him.

I think the SYG laws are being misapplied —eventually this will be resolved by SCOTUS.

Self-Defense is the birthright of a free citizen, but there are limits.

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Targetpractice  May 10, 2016 • 8:34:47am

re: #251 lawhawk

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Doesn’t change fact that the beer isn’t that good. Or that sales of big beer is down compared to the “craft” or “microbrews” which are being bought out by the big beer companies.

Changes its name to “America,” as that’s the only nation that would willingly pay to drink this piss water.

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lizardofid  May 10, 2016 • 8:34:53am

re: #254 Skip Intro

“This isn’t just about me. It’s about my friends, my family and everyone who comes from a background similar to mine anywhere in the world,”

The fact that this would even need to be pointed out to Trump, says all that needs sayin’.

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Testy Toad T  May 10, 2016 • 8:35:18am

re: #255 b_sharp

The only thing preventing a beer monopoly is regulation.

The only thing that can stop a guy with a bad beer is a guy with a good beer.

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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 8:35:43am

re: #256 Testy Toad T

You mean Bernie fans.
HEY WE WON 7 STATES IN A ROW!
And yet only managed to close the gap on Hillary in delegates by… a handful.

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Decatur Deb  May 10, 2016 • 8:36:10am

re: #259 Targetpractice

Changes its name to “America,” as that’s the only nation that would willingly pay to drink this piss water.

Budweiser Lite has been recommended as a preferred beer for setting slug traps.

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Birth Control Works  May 10, 2016 • 8:36:35am

re: #263 Decatur Deb

Budweiser Lite has been recommended as a preferred beer for setting slug traps.

what about earwigs?

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Birth Control Works  May 10, 2016 • 8:36:47am

Well, all, I have to start my day.

bbl

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Jenner7  May 10, 2016 • 8:37:06am

Because of course it isn’t…

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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 8:37:20am

re: #258 Birth Control Works

There’s the Castle doctrine, and that there’s no duty to retreat when you’re in your own home or on your own property, but SYG goes to preposterous lengths to essentially give someone the right to kill someone else and then claim (retcon) that they were in danger and retroactively claim that they acted in self defense.

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Decatur Deb  May 10, 2016 • 8:37:29am

re: #264 Birth Control Works

what about earwigs?

Haven’t looked that up. All my drinking friends are slugs.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 10, 2016 • 8:38:50am

re: #259 Targetpractice

Changes its name to “America,” as that’s the only nation that would willingly pay to drink this piss water.

Budweiser is sold in China as a “trendy” imported beer. I always decline to order it when I’m out with friends. Tsingdao is better, or even Snow beer, both Chinese domestic brands.

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Decatur Deb  May 10, 2016 • 8:39:12am

re: #266 Jenner7

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Because of course it isn’t…

That was a good choice even during the ACA drama. The structures exist and the buy-in can be calibrated to reality.

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KGxvi  May 10, 2016 • 8:39:17am

re: #251 lawhawk

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Doesn’t change fact that the beer isn’t that good. Or that sales of big beer is down compared to the “craft” or “microbrews” which are being bought out by the big beer companies.

Funny thing is, when a craft brewery gets bought by a big brewery, their sales drop too.

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Targetpractice  May 10, 2016 • 8:39:20am

re: #266 Jenner7

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Because of course it isn’t…

Clinton moves to make her platform more progressive, “progressive” candidate responds by declaring she’s not doing enough. And the Bernie Bros will be along shortly to declare this “pandering” and insist its just proof that she’ll say whatever she can to win.

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William Lewis  May 10, 2016 • 8:39:42am

re: #258 Birth Control Works


Self-Defense is the birthright of a free citizen, but there are limits.

QFT.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 10, 2016 • 8:39:44am

re: #269 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Budweiser is sold in China as a “trendy” imported beer. I always decline to order it when I’m out with friends. Tsingdao is better, or even Snow beer, both Chinese domestic brands.

No coincidence that Tsingdao was once a German enclave…

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Belafon  May 10, 2016 • 8:40:31am

re: #266 Jenner7

Because of course it isn’t…

Of course it isn’t. I’d settle for Utopia if I could get there (I’ve got too much good code to write to be wasting my time on the stuff I have to do at work). But, if it’s the only thing achievable right now, I’ll take it.

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Testy Toad T  May 10, 2016 • 8:40:52am

re: #272 Targetpractice

Clinton moves to make her platform more progressive, “progressive” candidate responds by declaring she’s not doing enough. And the Bernie Bros will be along shortly to declare this “pandering” and insist its just proof that she’ll say whatever she can to win.

For a group that has often admitted that Sanders’ purpose in the race is best justified as pushing Clinton to the left, they are oddly resistant to the idea that Clinton can be pushed to the left, even as a matter of principle.

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withak  May 10, 2016 • 8:41:30am

re: #251 lawhawk

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Doesn’t change fact that the beer isn’t that good. Or that sales of big beer is down compared to the “craft” or “microbrews” which are being bought out by the big beer companies.

My favorite brewery may have a trademark dispute with that.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 10, 2016 • 8:41:34am

re: #274 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

No coincidence that Tsingdao was once a German enclave…

The Germans brought beer. The French brought vineyards. Chinese red wine is quite drinkable. Whites are good, but ridiculously expensive here for some reason.

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Targetpractice  May 10, 2016 • 8:42:22am

re: #276 Testy Toad T

For a group that has often admitted that Sanders’ purpose in the race is best justified as pushing Clinton to the left, they are oddly resistant to the idea that Clinton can be pushed to the left, even as a matter of principle.

That was back when they didn’t think he had any chance.

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lizardofid  May 10, 2016 • 8:42:55am

re: #267 lawhawk

There’s the Castle doctrine, and that there’s no duty to retreat when you’re in your own home or on your own property, but SYG goes to preposterous lengths to essentially give someone the right to kill someone else and then claim (retcon) that they were in danger and retroactively claim that they acted in self defense.

I’m not a lawyer, nor even highly educated, but I can say without reservation, SYG laws are stupid laws, created by stupid, intellectually dishonest people.

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KGxvi  May 10, 2016 • 8:43:56am

re: #276 Testy Toad T

For a group that has often admitted that Sanders’ purpose in the race is best justified as pushing Clinton to the left, they are oddly resistant to the idea that Clinton can be pushed to the left, even as a matter of principle.

In a lot of ways, this is how the GOP worked for much of the last half century. You’d get candidates that had no business being in the race (Alan Keyes, Gary Bauer, etc) that would pull the moderate/mainstream candidates to the right. Then they’d later bitch that the mainstream candidate wasn’t conservative enough, and the next cycle the Overton window would shift even more to the right within the primary. So, basically NO TRUE PROGRESSIVE

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 10, 2016 • 8:44:35am

re: #280 lizardofid

I’m not a lawyer, nor even highly educated, but I can say without reservation, SYG laws are stupid laws, created by stupid, intellectually dishonest people.

I suggest the laws were made so that white people could kill non-white people without worrying about legal entanglements. Sort of the modern day lynch law.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2016 • 8:44:47am
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William Lewis  May 10, 2016 • 8:46:31am

re: #267 lawhawk

Shrug. They exist solely for the purpose of letting good old boys have an excuse to gun down “others”. If it ever starts letting “them” get the upper hand, then those laws will go away.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 10, 2016 • 8:46:47am

I pretty much stopped hate-following Certified Dumbass Steven Crowder but this is so delicious==>

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Dr. Matt  May 10, 2016 • 8:47:37am

re: #258 Birth Control Works

I think the SYG laws are being misapplied —eventually this will be resolved by SCOTUS.

Self-Defense is the birthright of a free citizen, but there are limits.

The problem is that SYG and self-defense are not always the same thing and SYG takes “self-defense” to unnecessary extremes. SYG allows people to actually instigate a conflict and then with things don’t go their way, the instigator can murder someone in cold blood, see Zimmerman, the movie theater shooter in Tampa, the two idiots in Michigan who road raged each other to death, etc.

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Timothy Watson  May 10, 2016 • 8:48:56am

re: #280 lizardofid

I’m not a lawyer, nor even highly educated, but I can say without reservation, SYG laws are stupid laws, created by stupid, intellectually dishonest people.

I am still waiting on someone to explain why you shouldn’t be forced to retreat if possible, outside of your home which is covered by the Castle Doctrine.

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lizardofid  May 10, 2016 • 8:49:46am

re: #282 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I suggest the laws were made so that white people could kill non-white people without worrying about legal entanglements. Sort of the modern day lynch law.

I wouldn’t argue with your point. I might suggest however, that even though that is the result, the laws were made to pander for the votes, of those above mentioned white people.

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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 8:49:53am

Stephens undermines his own argument when he says that a failed liberal presidency is followed by a restorative conservative one. Obama’s presidency isn’t a failed one; just the opposite. And there’s no way to know what Clinton’s will be, but we have a good idea of how bad Trump would be based on the nonsensical ravings he’s touting as “policy.”

But if Hillary follows Obama, then it shows that the nation actually isn’t restoring, but reinforcing Obama’s success with another liberal/moderate Democrat. It rebukes the conservatives at the presidential level.

Where there is agreement though is that the GOP in Congress would balance out and thwart any large-scale policy attempts by a Democrat in the White House. Trump would have no such brake on his power as the far right GOPers would push through every fever dream rollback of federal rights and protections they could concoct.

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ObserverArt  May 10, 2016 • 8:50:16am

re: #225 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Pretty amazing that no U.S. president—until Obama—has been to Hiroshima.

Oh sure…more Obama excuse making!!!

On FOX News tonight…”Obama Apologizes for Ending World War 2!!!”

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Timothy Watson  May 10, 2016 • 8:51:14am

re: #285 The Vicious Babushka

I pretty much stopped hate-following Certified Dumbass Steven Crowder but this is so delicious==>

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I am pretty certain that Facebook has a forum selection clause in their terms of service, and I doubt Texas is their desired location.

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Teukka  May 10, 2016 • 8:52:35am

re: #216 Birth Control Works

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I wonder, how long before we’ll get the cries of “Another leftie fake outraeg to destroy free enterprise!”

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Timothy Watson  May 10, 2016 • 8:52:39am

re: #291 Timothy Watson

Not to mention that his crappy ass website keeps locking up the browser tab.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2016 • 8:53:01am

heh

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Dr. Matt  May 10, 2016 • 8:53:44am

re: #257 lawhawk

The SYG law is a mess and doesn’t change fact that prosecutors should go after him for tampering with the crime scene.

You have to wonder if it were really as described by the defendant given how he moved the bodies and then tried to burn/bury the remains. That isn’t something a person who acted in self defense does. That’s something a person with something to hide does.

Completely different situation, but reminds me of a story many years ago when a guy had a heart attack while having a session with a Professional Dominatrix. The Pro-Dom freaked out and called her boyfriend who chopped up the body and buried the remains. There were found not guilty.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 10, 2016 • 8:56:30am

Time for me to hit the hay. Enjoy your day, lizards!

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KGxvi  May 10, 2016 • 8:58:58am

re: #287 Timothy Watson

I am still waiting on someone to explain why you shouldn’t be forced to retreat if possible, outside of your home which is covered by the Castle Doctrine.

Depends on what you mean by “forced to retreat if possible”. The law is often based on reasonableness. So it becomes a series of questions of fact, including the subjective and objective view of those facts (how the defendant saw things and how a reasonable person in a similar situation would see it). Then there’s a whole other series of questions about reasonable force.

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Belafon  May 10, 2016 • 9:00:37am

re: #297 KGxvi

Depends on what you mean by “forced to retreat if possible”. The law is often based on reasonableness. So it becomes a series of questions of fact, including the subjective and objective view of those facts (how the defendant saw things and how a reasonable person in a similar situation would see it). Then there’s a whole other series of questions about reasonable force.

Which are things covered by laws that existed prior to SYG laws.

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Sir John Barron  May 10, 2016 • 9:01:17am

re: #285 The Vicious Babushka

I pretty much stopped hate-following Certified Dumbass Steven Crowder but this is so delicious==>

Crowder must be taking legal advice from Rage Furby.

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ObserverArt  May 10, 2016 • 9:01:24am

re: #248 Targetpractice

“Sanders manages surprise upset in West Virginia, casting doubt on Clinton’s chances in California. Democrats worried that latest defeat could spell doom for Clinton in November.”

I already heard “Sanders looks to cut into Hillary’s lead in delegates today in West Virginia” like it matters overall. I know it is a true statement but…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2016 • 9:01:52am
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Decatur Deb  May 10, 2016 • 9:02:29am

re: #297 KGxvi

This was on Freep overnight. NO ONE had a problem with it, though the shooter apparently used a scoped rifle at range:

Homeowner guns down alleged truck thief with rifle at NW Harris County home
abc13.com

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Dr. Matt  May 10, 2016 • 9:05:58am

Lunch Time!

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Decatur Deb  May 10, 2016 • 9:06:04am

re: #301 Backwoods_Sleuth

NASA hates it when their satellites are trapped in the clouds.

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KGxvi  May 10, 2016 • 9:07:03am

re: #302 Decatur Deb

This was on Freep overnight. NO ONE had a problem with it, though the shooter apparently used a scoped rifle at range:

Homeowner guns down alleged truck thief with rifle at NW Harris County home
abc13.com

Ah… I didn’t see the part about the actual story, just the comments about the SYG law. I can’t imagine any scenario where you can build a justified killing or self defense argument in this case.

Though I suppose I could make the Texas joke and say that maybe Texas law views pick up trucks like horses, making this guy the same as an old west horse thief…

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lizardofid  May 10, 2016 • 9:07:29am

re: #302 Decatur Deb

This was on Freep overnight. NO ONE had a problem with it, though the shooter apparently used a scoped rifle at range:

Homeowner guns down alleged truck thief with rifle at NW Harris County home
abc13.com

In my mind, it’s murder. By Texas law, the fact that the crime involved theft of property, at night, will probably get him off. Wrong headed, but probably fact.

Edit: Just reread the article, and noticed it happened “in the morning” but didn’t say what time. The clock may get this guy!

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Dr. Matt  May 10, 2016 • 9:08:01am

re: #302 Decatur Deb

This was on Freep overnight. NO ONE had a problem with it, though the shooter apparently used a scoped rifle at range:

Homeowner guns down alleged truck thief with rifle at NW Harris County home
abc13.com

That is allowed under the Texas Castle Doctrine.

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Decatur Deb  May 10, 2016 • 9:08:07am

re: #305 KGxvi

Ah… I didn’t see the part about the actual story, just the comments about the SYG law. I can’t imagine any scenario where you can build a justified killing or self defense argument in this case.

Though I suppose I could make the Texas joke and say that maybe Texas law views pick up trucks like horses, making this guy the same as an old west horse thief

That’s very much the bent many Freepers took.

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Stanley Sea  May 10, 2016 • 9:08:09am

re: #303 Dr. Matt

Lunch Time!

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YUM

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Decatur Deb  May 10, 2016 • 9:08:50am

re: #307 Dr. Matt

That is allowed under the Texas Castle Doctrine.

What’s their opinion on landmines?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 10, 2016 • 9:08:54am

re: #280 lizardofid

I’m not a lawyer, nor even highly educated, but I can say without reservation, SYG laws are stupid laws, created by stupid, intellectually dishonest people.

Created by people who have an ideology to implement without thinking the unintended consequences through.

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KGxvi  May 10, 2016 • 9:09:16am

re: #308 Decatur Deb

That’s very much the bent many Freepers took.

because of course it is…

Obviously, we can’t allow Texas to be it’s own Republic, and I’m guessing Mexico won’t take it back, think we can get the Spanish or the French to take it back?

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Timothy Watson  May 10, 2016 • 9:10:07am

re: #311 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Created by people who have an ideology to implement without thinking the unintended consequences through.

But modern conservatism is all about being concerned about unintended consequences!

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Dr. Matt  May 10, 2016 • 9:10:36am

re: #310 Decatur Deb

What’s their opinion on landmines?

Just along the Texas-Mexico border.

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Belafon  May 10, 2016 • 9:10:42am

re: #310 Decatur Deb

What’s their opinion on landmines?

Probably that they’re way too hard to get.

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Timothy Watson  May 10, 2016 • 9:12:28am

re: #310 Decatur Deb

What’s their opinion on landmines?

Probably hate it, just like this specific law here in Virginia you reminded me of:

§ 18.2-281. Setting spring gun or other deadly weapon.

It shall be unlawful for any person to set or fix in any manner any firearm or other deadly weapon so that it may be discharged or activated by a person coming in contact therewith or with any string, wire, spring, or any other contrivance attached thereto or designed to activate such weapon remotely. Any person violating this section shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2016 • 9:13:26am

Cruz is also on the ballot in WV today (along with 10 others).

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Dr. Matt  May 10, 2016 • 9:14:23am

Florida man finally notices bullet hole in his body three days after shooting himself: police

Anytime a story starts with “Florida man” you know it’s going to be good/a shit show.

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Decatur Deb  May 10, 2016 • 9:15:05am

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

JUST IN: Ted Cruz will potentially restart presidential campaign if he wins Nebraska.

Cruz is also on the ballot in WV today (along with 10 others).

Go for it, Ted. Not enough drool has been shed.

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b.d.  May 10, 2016 • 9:15:06am

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Cruz is also on the ballot in WV today (along with 10 others).

Ted suspended his campaign just to get rid of Carly?

:)

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KGxvi  May 10, 2016 • 9:15:06am

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

I mean, at this point, sure, why not?

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lizardofid  May 10, 2016 • 9:15:46am

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Cruz is also on the ballot in WV today (along with 10 others).

I knew it! He’s an f’n vampire!

He need a Trump Steak in the heart!

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Timothy Watson  May 10, 2016 • 9:16:30am

re: #322 lizardofid

I knew it! He’s an f’n vampire!

Further evidence of his relationship to Grandpa Munster?

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Dr. Matt  May 10, 2016 • 9:16:57am

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

JUST IN: Ted Cruz will potentially restart presidential campaign if he wins Nebraska. t.co pic.twitter.com
— Breaking News Feed (@pzf) May 10, 2016.

He might as well since since he’s a Republican Senator; it’s not like he has a real job anyway.

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withak  May 10, 2016 • 9:17:45am

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Cruz is also on the ballot in WV today (along with 10 others).

And I will potentially win the lottery.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2016 • 9:18:01am
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lizardofid  May 10, 2016 • 9:23:29am

Sanity break needed, I think I’ll go check on the bees.

Later all.

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blueraven  May 10, 2016 • 9:25:00am

re: #187 lawhawk

Shaun King being Shaun King:

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These are polls 6 months out and OMG the sky is falling that Trump’s close/ahead of Hillary in a single poll. Except that he isn’t.

And the same polls show Trump close to Sanders too - Sanders up by 2 in FL according to same Quinnipiac poll.

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But like I said above. This is 6 months out.

I don’t like to take issue with one poll six months out…but Q polls have been terrible. They skew white and older and everyone knows it. Their model is based on non-white voter turnout being much lower than 2012. Not to mention they have terrible track record.

Just saying

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jaunte  May 10, 2016 • 9:27:33am

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

“When you’re the Don Quixote of extreme conservatism (Cruz), you can never ditch your armor. And it’s easy to tell yourself — because it’s easy for all of us to tell ourselves — that surrendering to Trump is surrendering your patriotism.”

Frank Bruni - The Cult of Sore Losers
nytimes.com

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KGxvi  May 10, 2016 • 9:28:30am

re: #328 blueraven

Quinnipac and Rassmussen polls actually do require unskewing, but not in the way the unskewers actually think

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Targetpractice  May 10, 2016 • 9:29:06am

re: #328 blueraven

I don’t like to take issue with one poll six months out…but Q polls have been terrible. They skew white and older and everyone knows it. Their model is based on non-white voter turnout being much lower than 2012. Not to mention they have terrible track record.

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Just saying

Every poll in 2008 and 2012 that showed McCain/Romney as the winner started from the assumption that the voter pool was whiter and more conservative that it ended up being. Every pundit who predicted a Romney “upset” in 2012 was sure that minority (read: black) voters would be satisfied with putting a notch in their belts and stay home, driving down turnout and thus helping Willard win states he otherwise had no chance in.

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Targetpractice  May 10, 2016 • 9:29:47am

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Cruz is also on the ballot in WV today (along with 10 others).

Can we get that in writing?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 10, 2016 • 9:32:15am

re: #285 The Vicious Babushka

Just what does this maroon think he will accomplish with his ‘discovery’ when he hasn’t even filed a formal lawsuit against Facebook to start? He’s even more deluded than the Rage Furby.

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jaunte  May 10, 2016 • 9:32:17am
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Dr. Matt  May 10, 2016 • 9:33:03am

re: #330 KGxvi

Quinnipac and Rassmussen polls actually do require unskewing, but not in the way the unskewers actually think

Rassmussen was a consistent outliar [sic], that tended to favor Mitt, during the 2012 presidential election.

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Shiplord Kirel  May 10, 2016 • 9:34:46am

44 years ago today, first flight of the A-10 Thunderbolt II, aka Warthog. Still going strong today despite the best efforts of Lockheed-Martin and the AF brass to get rid of it in favor of the F-35.

Facebook Post

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The Vicious Babushka  May 10, 2016 • 9:35:00am

re: #333 Eric The Fruit Bat

Just what does this maroon think he will accomplish with his ‘discovery’ when he hasn’t even filed a formal lawsuit against Facebook to start? He’s even more deluded than the Rage Furby.

His name was specifically mentioned in the Gizmodo article as being excluded from “Trending News” (um maybe because he is neither “Trending” or “News”) so he wants to get something (moneys? attentions? being a trending news?) out of that.

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KGxvi  May 10, 2016 • 9:35:42am

re: #335 Dr. Matt

Rassmussen was a consistent outliar [sic], that tended to favor Mitt, during the 2012 presidential election.

If I’m remembering right, it’s because of Rassmussen’s methodology. They tend to just use landlines (which skews the sample older), and then they weigh in a way that tends to make the sample whiter.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 10, 2016 • 9:36:20am

Also too: Crowder claims he paid Facebook money for ads, which means he thinks paid ads should be “Trending News”

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Lidane  May 10, 2016 • 9:36:54am

So the lunatics over at Breitbart are pissed at Paul Ryan for not bowing before Trump, and they’re on the attack:

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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 9:38:35am

Wont stop the right from claiming this as part of the Obama apology tour.

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Targetpractice  May 10, 2016 • 9:38:51am

re: #340 Lidane

So the lunatics over at Breitbart are pissed at Paul Ryan for not bowing before Trump, and they’re on the attack:

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There really is nothing quite like watching wingnuts eat their own. I’m old enough to remember when they touted the “Ryan Plan.”

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Lidane  May 10, 2016 • 9:39:12am

re: #335 Dr. Matt

Rassmussen was a consistent outliar [sic], that tended to favor Mitt, during the 2012 presidential election.

Rasmussen was predicting a Romney landslide the week before the election.

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KGxvi  May 10, 2016 • 9:39:20am

re: #340 Lidane

So the lunatics over at Breitbart are pissed at Paul Ryan for not bowing before Trump, and they’re on the attack:

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Palin has effectively endorsed his primary opponent because Ryan refused to endorse Trump. This is going to be entertaining.

Also, I’ve been playing around with the election map at 270towin, and it is incredibly difficult for me to find a way for Trump to get to 270 electoral votes. It’s possible, but I think highly improbable given the current poll numbers and historical trends.

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Targetpractice  May 10, 2016 • 9:40:13am

re: #341 lawhawk

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Wont stop the right from claiming this as part of the Obama apology tour.

Perhaps I’m missing something here, but was there an expectation that he’d apologize?

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The Vicious Babushka  May 10, 2016 • 9:40:54am

STUPIDEST WINGNUT MEME OF THE DAY==>

Of course it is only lunch time, there will be MOAR STUPIDS.

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jaunte  May 10, 2016 • 9:44:20am

re: #346 The Vicious Babushka

Back to the days of all white classrooms?

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The Vicious Babushka  May 10, 2016 • 9:44:53am

re: #347 jaunte

Back to the days of all white classrooms?

That’s what it looks like to me.

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Timothy Watson  May 10, 2016 • 9:45:06am

re: #347 jaunte

Back to the days of all white classrooms?

And pants up to your natural waist.

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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 9:45:42am

re: #345 Targetpractice

It’s Obama, right wingers, and a foreign trip to a place with a very complex/complicated history. Assumption by the right wing is that he’d go ahead and apologize for bombing, or some such nonsense.

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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 9:46:20am

re: #347 jaunte

Back to the 1950s or early 1960s by look of it.

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Sir John Barron  May 10, 2016 • 9:46:42am

re: #346 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST WINGNUT MEME OF THE DAY==>

Of course it is only lunch time, there will be MOAR STUPIDS.

That Paul Ryan, once he had such a future….

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Barefoot Grin  May 10, 2016 • 9:47:03am

re: #341 lawhawk

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Wont stop the right from claiming this as part of the Obama apology tour.

Robert McNamara in “The Fog of War” said, “Lemay said to me [about fire-bombing Japanese civilian populations], ‘Bob, if we had lost the war we’d be war criminals’.” No apologies should be given or expected, but a little historical perspective is important.

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Timothy Watson  May 10, 2016 • 9:47:13am

re: #346 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST WINGNUT MEME OF THE DAY==>

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Of course it is only lunch time, there will be MOAR STUPIDS.

In 2006, 43 states required that the Pledge of Allegiance be performed daily:
firstamendmentcenter.org

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Tigger2  May 10, 2016 • 9:47:43am

re: #351 lawhawk

Back to the 1950s or early 1960s by look of it.

We quit doing the pledge of allegiance in schools where I live in the 60s.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 10, 2016 • 9:48:11am

re: #354 Timothy Watson

In 2006, 43 states required that the Pledge of Allegiance be performed daily:
firstamendmentcenter.org

And in 2026, all states will require that students pray to Mecca 5x daily…

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Sir John Barron  May 10, 2016 • 9:48:53am

re: #339 The Vicious Babushka

Crowder claims he paid Facebook money for ads

Bwwwaahahahahahahhahahahahahha

Ads for what? His dopey radio show? His equally dopey Twitter posts?

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Timothy Watson  May 10, 2016 • 9:48:54am

re: #353 Barefoot Grin

Robert McNamara in “The Fog of War” said, “Lemay said to me [about fire-bombing Japanese civilian populations], ‘Bob, if we had lost the war we’d be war criminals’.” No apologies should be given or expected, but a little historical perspective is important.

It’s hard for me to be sympathetic to the Japanese government when they still get to deny the numerous war crimes they committed during the war.

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withak  May 10, 2016 • 9:49:36am
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Shiplord Kirel  May 10, 2016 • 9:51:14am

By the end of the day, wingnuttia will be convinced that Obama has apologized for Hiroshima, the Pledge of Allegiance has been banned, and schools will be forced to let perverts off the street go into the girl’s bathroom.

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KGxvi  May 10, 2016 • 9:51:38am

re: #353 Barefoot Grin

Robert McNamara in “The Fog of War” said, “Lemay said to me [about fire-bombing Japanese civilian populations], ‘Bob, if we had lost the war we’d be war criminals’.” No apologies should be given or expected, but a little historical perspective is important.

“History is the story as told by the victors.”

I suspect that this is one of the reasons the reactionaries freak out about a more complete and nuanced view of the world and history - it means that “they” didn’t win or that “they” did terrible things to win.

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Sir John Barron  May 10, 2016 • 9:51:48am

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

JUST IN: Ted Cruz will potentially restart presidential campaign if he wins Nebraska. t.co pic.twitter.com
— Breaking News Feed

Today is shaping up to be far more entertaining than I had expected.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 10, 2016 • 9:53:47am

re: #361 KGxvi

“History is the story as told by the victors.”

I suspect that this is one of the reasons the reactionaries freak out about a more complete and nuanced view of the world and history - it means that “they” didn’t win or that “they” did terrible things to win.

It is hard to go back and judge what should have been done. Japan had demonstrated clearly that it was not going to surrender without putting up a fanatical, even suicidal fight.

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MsJ  May 10, 2016 • 9:55:09am

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

“The red states” is too broad a category, really. South Carolina is doing well, and Tennessee is growing as well. South Carolina is actually more socially conservative than North Carolina, it just has a better governor who has proven able to govern without signing stupid bills that alienate people.

GO TEAM.

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Stanley Sea  May 10, 2016 • 9:56:06am
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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 9:56:30am

re: #362 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

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KGxvi  May 10, 2016 • 9:56:40am

re: #359 withak

I’ve been to concerts where women used the men’s bathroom… most of the men didn’t care, but security seemed to care - of course, that might have been because one of the women decided to squat and use a urinal.

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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 9:59:59am
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Barefoot Grin  May 10, 2016 • 10:00:49am

re: #358 Timothy Watson

It’s hard for me to be sympathetic to the Japanese government when they still get to deny the numerous war crimes they committed during the war.

I agree with this, too. War is a terrible thing and the Japanese cannot be defended for what they did. But even Curtis Lemay recognized that the bombing and firebombing of nearly every Japanese major city was extraordinary. So, I hope the focus is on using the moment to speak more forcefully about nuclear disarmament and the implications of rash aggressive warmongering. The Japanese enemy brought out the best and worst in us.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 10, 2016 • 10:01:08am

We are overdue for a national discussion on this obsession that breasts/genitals= sexuality and sexuality = immorality (unless for procreation in a male/female marriage)

And that, in a nutshell is the source of the outrage the RW has over bathroom issues.

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Shiplord Kirel  May 10, 2016 • 10:01:29am

re: #336 Shiplord Kirel

44 years ago today, first flight of the A-10 Thunderbolt II, aka Warthog. Still going strong today despite the best efforts of Lockheed-Martin and the AF brass to get rid of it in favor of the F-35.

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I remember reading about the A-10 test flights while I was in Vietnam, and thinking specifically “now we are getting somewhere.”

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Tigger2  May 10, 2016 • 10:04:52am

re: #371 Shiplord Kirel

I remember reading about the A-10 test flights while I was in Vietnam, and thinking specifically “now we are getting somewhere.”

It was a good ground support weapons platform.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 10, 2016 • 10:08:21am

re: #371 Shiplord Kirel

I remember reading about the A-10 test flights while I was in Vietnam, and thinking specifically “now we are getting somewhere.”

They used to fly low up and down the Rhine valley, but I have not seen them doing that for over a decade.

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Eventual Carrion  May 10, 2016 • 10:09:34am

re: #367 KGxvi

I’ve been to concerts where women used the men’s bathroom… most of the men didn’t care, but security seemed to care - of course, that might have been because one of the women decided to squat and use a urinal.

I’ve had a female use the urinal next to me at a concert. Was pretty cool how she did it too.

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Tigger2  May 10, 2016 • 10:12:23am

re: #374 Eventual Carrion

I’ve had a female use the urinal next to me at a concert. Was pretty cool how she did it too.

They make a device for that now.

walmart.com;

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Skip Intro  May 10, 2016 • 10:17:21am

Warning. Prepare yourself for a derp explosion.

4AblREPGkuTx0qTmVowmkRgfHY5pa2Kx2yptD7tOo0shxCenaXhiNyzyRrrANP+Y4gbeGVzLMfMP49DbhA41b1MzttqgHXysLSkZb4p3MxFND+NkT4K7fwYRi/AYWnb/PoLFsW2AGRTWZs8Zepw/DCDKloAQ7LPMMMPo7vxroEHicC5M22bHR5a8x0nYKqaEvsdpFkHfH5p+sEanNtl+b3rPBoDLjwtQAmH8vcANu5jmfsstHRquJw==

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Timothy Watson  May 10, 2016 • 10:18:24am

re: #376 Skip Intro

Warning. Prepare yourself for a derp explosion.

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We’re all going to drown like the Pharaoh’s army?

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Belafon  May 10, 2016 • 10:19:05am

re: #376 Skip Intro

Warning. Prepare yourself for a derp explosion.

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HAHAHAHAHAHA.

They should probably check that the water isn’t closing back up.

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Targetpractice  May 10, 2016 • 10:19:16am

The shit you say when you think nobody’s paying attention:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2016 • 10:19:31am

laser-like focus on the important stuff…

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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 10:19:34am

There’s derp. Then there’s derp:

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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 10:20:25am

re: #380 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Barefoot Grin  May 10, 2016 • 10:21:23am

re: #380 Backwoods_Sleuth

laser-like focus on the important stuff…

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So now they want a Fairness Doctrine.

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b.d.  May 10, 2016 • 10:22:29am

Congress is now concerned about news outlets being fair to all?

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Targetpractice  May 10, 2016 • 10:22:52am

re: #382 lawhawk

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Not only are Senate Republicans not doing their jobs in addressing a vacancy in the SCOTUS line-up, they’re engaging in that hypocrisy we know them best for: Sticking the government’s nose into how a private business operates itself.

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Belafon  May 10, 2016 • 10:26:45am

re: #385 Targetpractice

Not only are Senate Republicans not doing their jobs in addressing a vacancy in the SCOTUS line-up, they’re engaging in that hypocrisy we know them best for: Sticking the government’s nose into how a private business operates itself.

As much as we can’t stand Zukerberg, he’s probably the one person that will tell them that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 10, 2016 • 10:32:16am

re: #383 Barefoot Grin

So now they want a Fairness Doctrine.

A Ministry of Fairness and Balance.

This is all political grandstanding, they are aware that a lot of people see Twitter and FB as some sort of public forum and not as private enterprises.

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Jenner7  May 10, 2016 • 10:33:51am
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Skip Intro  May 10, 2016 • 10:36:18am

Donald Trump explains the GI Bill

CHRIS CUOMO: We tried to get your campaign and the other campaigns to hold forth or whether or not they supported the current GI bill. In congress, a sneaky vote in the house — no roll call - is going to cut money from the GI bill to allow for other expenditures for vets. Vets were upset. “No, don’t take money from us and reallocate it. Find the savings elsewhere.” Do you support maintaining the GI bill the way it is and growing it instead of cutting it?

DONALD TRUMP: I don’t want to hurt our vets. We treat illegal immigrants better than our vets. I’m going to help the vets. I’m going to only help them. — unlike Hillary Clinton who thinks the vets are getting too much? They’re not. I’ve traveled, seen so many vets I know so many vets now and have a lot of friends. I have developed great friendships among the vets. Our vets are —

CHRIS CUOMO: Is that a yes, “I do support the current GI bill?”

DONALD TRUMP: No. I want to bring jobs back to our country and make the country grow again. I just traveled. I won so many states in a row in massive landslides and part of the reason was trade. Not what you brought up at the beginning of the show, totally inappropriate. Part of the reason I won was because of trade and I talk trade and I’m the only one that can do anything about trade.

huffingtonpost.com

Truly, Trump is even dumber than Palin. Much, much dumber.

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Stanley Sea  May 10, 2016 • 10:37:02am

re: #381 lawhawk

There’s derp. Then there’s derp:

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Romantic Heretic  May 10, 2016 • 10:37:15am

re: #310 Decatur Deb

Damned regulations won’t let us use them when the 2nd Amendment clearly states that we should have access to them.

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wrenchwench  May 10, 2016 • 10:38:01am

I know it’s San Bernardino, California, but jeez.

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wrenchwench  May 10, 2016 • 10:38:50am

re: #390 Stanley Sea

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There’s a trove of responses there, along with that one.

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Teukka  May 10, 2016 • 10:39:05am

re: #376 Skip Intro

Warning. Prepare yourself for a derp explosion.

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On behalf of Lizardim worldwide:
DAFUQ?

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Le Lapin Tueur  May 10, 2016 • 10:40:25am

re: #237 b_sharp

National mammal

And it’s not the eagle.

Blink ** Blink ** Blink

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The Vicious Babushka  May 10, 2016 • 10:40:59am

Oh snap. Clicking on a Tweet doesn’t open it up in a new tab like it used to.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 10, 2016 • 10:41:13am

re: #394 Teukka

On behalf of Lizardim worldwide:
DAFUQ?

It says a lot about a lot of people’s view of Christianity and Evangelicalism that they can reconcile a whoremonger like Trump with their religious principles.

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Targetpractice  May 10, 2016 • 10:43:03am

re: #389 Skip Intro

Donald Trump explains the GI Bill

huffingtonpost.com

Truly, Trump is even dumber than Palin. Much, much dumber.

You notice that Trump and Sanders have the same issue of not being able to keep the topic being discussed, but always wanting to go back to one they think they have credibility on?

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Belafon  May 10, 2016 • 10:43:03am

re: #397 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It says a lot about a lot of people’s view of Christianity and Evangelicalism that they can reconcile a whoremonger like Trump with their religious principles.

I saw something last night where a guy referred to the politicization of Islam as Islamsim. Similarly, I think what you are describing is called Christianism.

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MsJ  May 10, 2016 • 10:44:18am

re: #156 The Vicious Babushka

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Birth Control Works  May 10, 2016 • 10:44:29am

drive-by graphic:

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 10, 2016 • 10:44:36am

re: #398 Targetpractice

You notice that Trump and Sanders have the same issue of not being able to keep the topic being discussed, but always wanting to go back to one they think they have credibility on?

In Trump’s case, I believe he was truly trying to cover up for the fact that he did not know what the GI Bill was about and did not want to risk giving that away. I am sure he has an intern preparing him a brief on it as we speak…

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Romantic Heretic  May 10, 2016 • 10:44:52am

re: #336 Shiplord Kirel

44 years ago today, first flight of the A-10 Thunderbolt II, aka Warthog. Still going strong today despite the best efforts of Lockheed-Martin and the AF brass to get rid of it in favor of the F-35.

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Perfect example of why aircraft should be specifically designed for a role and not multi-role.

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Targetpractice  May 10, 2016 • 10:45:47am

re: #402 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

In Trump’s case, I believe he was truly trying to cover up for the fact that he did not know what the GI Bill was about and did not want to risk giving that away. I am sure he has an intern preparing him a brief on it as we speak…

Same thing with Sanders, he jumps away from topics he knows little on to ones he thinks he does, then goes on to demonstrate he really has no clue what he’s talking about.

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Skip Intro  May 10, 2016 • 10:46:07am

Very cost effective, Gov.

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Romantic Heretic  May 10, 2016 • 10:46:58am

re: #341 lawhawk

The former Allies should apologize for using nuclear weapons when Japan apologizes for Pearl Harbor, Nanking and the Bataan Death March.

Oh, and ‘comfort women’. *spit*

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Targetpractice  May 10, 2016 • 10:48:10am

re: #405 Skip Intro

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Very cost effective, Gov.

And will no doubt be putting it on the state’s credit card, so that he can come back at budget time and talk about the need to start cutting more money from social programs he disagrees with to deal with “unexpected shortfalls.”

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Romantic Heretic  May 10, 2016 • 10:48:20am

re: #346 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST WINGNUT MEME OF THE DAY==>

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Of course it is only lunch time, there will be MOAR STUPIDS.

So, a wingnut is loudly proclaiming that America is a faith?

I knew that.

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Jay C  May 10, 2016 • 10:48:27am

re: #389 Skip Intro

re: #398 Targetpractice

Jesus H. Christ on a three-wheeled bicycle! Is there NO issue - ANY issue - which Donald Trump can address with anything other than an incoherent mix of egocentric braggadocio, childish insults towards his rivals, and vague sloganeering?

no need to expound, folks, this is a rhetorical question with an OBVIOUS answer….

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No Depression  May 10, 2016 • 10:49:47am

re: #405 Skip Intro

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Very cost effective, Gov.

This blatant waste of taxpayer funds should be grounds for impeachment.

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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 10:49:57am

“The word ‘Oriental’ is a derogatory and antiquated term and the passage of this legislation will soon force the United States government to finally stop using it,” Meng said in a statement.

The bill will also replace the term ‘Negro’ with ‘African American,’ and replace ‘Indian’ with ‘Native American.’ The terms ‘Native Hawaiian’ and ‘Pacific Islander’ will also be included as new additions to the bill’s language, as well as the replacement of ‘Spanish-speaking’ with ‘Hispanic.’

The bill was approved by the House of Representatives at the end of February with a unanimous vote of 376-0.

Meng successfully passed a bill in 2009 which banned and removed the use of the word in legal documents across New York State.

About damned time. Words have meanings and some words still in use in the US Code (and state laws) have derogatory connotations.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2016 • 10:50:31am

re: #402 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

In Trump’s case, I believe he was truly trying to cover up for the fact that he did not know what the GI Bill was about and did not want to risk giving that away. I am sure he has an intern preparing him a brief on it as we speak…

I like how Trump claimed that the question about the GI bill was “totally inappropriate”…

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 10, 2016 • 10:50:58am

re: #406 Romantic Heretic

The former Allies should apologize for using nuclear weapons when Japan apologizes for Pearl Harbor, Nanking and the Bataan Death March.

Oh, and ‘comfort women’. *spit*

let’s not go back and second-guess history. let us try to learn from it. I don’t want to see any of that stuff repeat itself.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 10, 2016 • 10:51:55am
the replacement of ‘Spanish-speaking’ with ‘Hispanic.’

So how do you classify Spanish-speaking Spaniards from Spain?

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Bubblehead II  May 10, 2016 • 10:52:11am

re: #405 Skip Intro

Very cost effective, Gov.

Not to mention the fact that the State A.G. is also running against him

North Carolina gubernatorial election, 2016

Incumbent Republican Governor Pat McCrory is running for re-election to a second term in office.[2] Roy Cooper, the incumbent Attorney General of the state (and the second-longest-serving Attorney General in North Carolina history), is the Democratic nominee. The gubernatorial race is expected to be among the most competitive in the country in 2016.[

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Stanley Sea  May 10, 2016 • 10:52:42am

re: #396 The Vicious Babushka

Oh snap. Clicking on a Tweet doesn’t open it up in a new tab like it used to.

Yes, I noticed this last night. Must be the new tweet code - needs tweaking.

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Romantic Heretic  May 10, 2016 • 10:52:44am

re: #387 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

A Ministry of Fairness and Balance.

They already have one. It’s called Fox News.

We have always been at war with EastAsia.

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MsJ  May 10, 2016 • 10:52:56am

re: #251 lawhawk

Can a company trademark “America”? I don’t think so and this is kind of weird to me…that they want to rename their product to something that cannot be trademarked.

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Jay C  May 10, 2016 • 10:53:58am

re: #414 The Vicious Babushka

So how do you classify Spanish-speaking Spaniards from Spain?

“Furriners”??

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Belafon  May 10, 2016 • 10:54:37am

re: #414 The Vicious Babushka

So how do you classify Spanish-speaking Spaniards from Spain?

Herspanic?

*ducks*

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MsJ  May 10, 2016 • 10:54:59am

re: #266 Jenner7

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Because of course it isn’t…

I love the idea of a Medicare buy-in. That would shut up the people who are NO MEDICARE NO WAY I DON’T WANT IT!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 10, 2016 • 10:55:01am

re: #411 lawhawk

About damned time. Words have meanings and some words still in use in the US Code (and state laws) have derogatory connotations.

This is where I am very touchy about PC issues: in official language, regulations and legislation.

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Stanley Sea  May 10, 2016 • 10:56:39am

re: #405 Skip Intro

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Very cost effective, Gov.

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MsJ  May 10, 2016 • 10:56:51am

re: #257 lawhawk

Not sure, but the guy should be sitting in jail for tampering with a crime scene. He moved evidence, destroyed evidence, and otherwise mangled the scene by moving the bodies and then attempting to burn the remains.

Generally, bail is set to ensure that the defendant shows up. If the defendant’s crimes are such that he poses a threat, bail can and should be withheld. I think that’s the case here, but the judge begged to differ (and is wrong about it, but that’s a judgment call).

The SYG law is a mess and doesn’t change fact that prosecutors should go after him for tampering with the crime scene.

You have to wonder if it were really as described by the defendant given how he moved the bodies and then tried to burn/bury the remains. That isn’t something a person who acted in self defense does. That’s something a person with something to hide does.

As soon as the scene is tampered with, SYG or the Castle Doctrine should be tossed out the window (they should anyway, but I digress).

This was murder pure and simple, with a side order of obstruction and trying to hide an act he knew was illegal and wrong.

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Testy Toad T  May 10, 2016 • 10:58:15am

re: #418 MsJ

Can a company trademark “America”? I don’t think so and this is kind of weird to me…that they want to rename their product to something that cannot be trademarked.

They don’t want to rename their product. They want to relabel their product’s can.

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Great White Snark  May 10, 2016 • 11:00:56am

re: #257 lawhawk

SYG? Is not even a factor here really. Castle doctrine, far less controversial far stronger legal foundation. Guy was at home SYG is about out in public no?

Evidence tampering is a felony in a case like this if it were California. Why that’s not apparently yet filed is a mystery.

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MsJ  May 10, 2016 • 11:01:09am

re: #294 Backwoods_Sleuth

It is only the people that were never asked to be VP that tell the press that they will not take the position.

Question. Can a POTUS fire a VPOTUS? So, for example (and play along that Trump is elected here), could Trump run with someone qualified as Veep but then fire them and instill a Sarah Palin type moron?

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MsJ  May 10, 2016 • 11:01:55am

re: #303 Dr. Matt

Lunch Time!

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Isn’t every day National Shrimp Day? No? Hmmmm…who knew?

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Belafon  May 10, 2016 • 11:02:15am

re: #427 MsJ

Question. Can a POTUS fire a VPOTUS? So, for example (and play along that Trump is elected here), could Trump run with someone qualified as Veep but then fire them and instill a Sarah Palin type moron?

Even if Trump could fire the VP, a new one has to be confirmed by the Senate.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 10, 2016 • 11:03:49am

re: #427 MsJ

Question. Can a POTUS fire a VPOTUS? So, for example (and play along that Trump is elected here), could Trump run with someone qualified as Veep but then fire them and instill a Sarah Palin type moron?

A President could certainly sideline a VP and force him/her into such obscurity that they resign, but that is a case precedent I have never heard of or considered. But the scary thing is that a candidate like DT, who has totally demolished all previous precedents and traditions, might consider it…

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Skip Intro  May 10, 2016 • 11:08:25am

re: #408 Romantic Heretic

So, a wingnut is loudly proclaiming that America is a faith?

I knew that.

It’s not a faith. It’s a BEER!

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Jay C  May 10, 2016 • 11:08:29am

re: #427 MsJ

Question. Can a POTUS fire a VPOTUS? So, for example (and play along that Trump is elected here), could Trump run with someone qualified as Veep but then fire them and instill a Sarah Palin type moron?

[Insert IANACL disclaimer HERE]

Apparently no. VPOTUS is a constitutionally-mandated Executive Branch position: a VP can be impeached (following Constitutional guidelines) - or pressured to resign (a la Spiro Agnew- ahead of a possible corruption indictment), but AFAIK, they can’t be “fired” like Trump’s reality-TV flunkies - a fact of which, I’m sure, a vanishingly-small percentage of dedicated Trump voters, still less the candidate himself - are aware.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 10, 2016 • 11:08:37am

re: #430 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

A President could certainly sideline a VP and force him/her into such obscurity that they resign, but that is a case precedent I have never heard of or considered. But the scary thing is that a candidate like DT, who has totally demolished all previous precedents and traditions, might consider it…

I still believe Donald will declare himself (or a family member) as VP.

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jaunte  May 10, 2016 • 11:08:55am

“…The Washington Post reports that Lane sent an email today to pastors involved in his American Renewal Project, telling them that “Donald Trump can be one of the top four presidents in American history.”

Lane also urged the thrice-married GOP nominee to pick the thrice-married Newt Gingrich as his running mate in order to “mobilize evangelical and Catholic pro-life conservatives who stayed home in the last election cycle.”

“Mr. Trump is going to have to return to the Ronald Reagan model: running and governing on ‘principle’ and ‘moral absolutes’,” Lane said of the candidate who has reversed himself on nearly every single issue and is a serial fabricator.”

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Testy Toad T  May 10, 2016 • 11:10:06am

re: #433 The Vicious Babushka

I still believe Donald will declare himself (or a family member) as VP.

Jan Brewer. Almost certain of it.

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Skip Intro  May 10, 2016 • 11:11:06am

re: #433 The Vicious Babushka

I still believe Donald will declare himself (or a family member) as VP.

Are either of his kids Adolph and Benito 35 yet?

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MsJ  May 10, 2016 • 11:11:30am

re: #380 Backwoods_Sleuth

laser-like focus on the important stuff…

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How is that legal?

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SirMixALot  May 10, 2016 • 11:11:36am

A ton of so-called “establishment Republicans” will be coming out for Hillary or at minimum stating in public they won’t be supporting Trump. It does not matter. The base wants Trump. The base hates their leadership and the elites that run it. Not supporting Trump or endorsing Hillary is like chum in the waters to the GOP shark tank.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 10, 2016 • 11:11:55am

re: #436 Skip Intro

Are either of his kids Adolph and Benito 35 yet?

Donald Jr. is 37.

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Lidane  May 10, 2016 • 11:12:43am

Bitter, shriveled up old vagina says what?

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jaunte  May 10, 2016 • 11:13:05am

re: #436 Skip Intro

Uday Trump is now 38, Qusay is 32.

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allegro  May 10, 2016 • 11:14:53am

re: #440 Lidane

Bitter, shriveled up old vagina says what?

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She says she flunked Sunday school 101.

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Skip Intro  May 10, 2016 • 11:15:01am

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

So it’s not too late to order one of these guaranteed to be collector’s items?

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Skip Intro  May 10, 2016 • 11:15:27am

re: #439 The Vicious Babushka

Donald Jr. is 37.

VP pick solved.

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Skip Intro  May 10, 2016 • 11:16:35am

re: #441 jaunte

Uday Trump is now 38, Qusay is 32.

Do we know what wife number each of them is on?

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Kragar  May 10, 2016 • 11:20:16am

re: #445 Skip Intro

Theirs or someone else’s?

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ObserverArt  May 10, 2016 • 11:21:00am

re: #396 The Vicious Babushka

Oh snap. Clicking on a Tweet doesn’t open it up in a new tab like it used to.

Just noticed it. Charles had to do some code work yesterday because Twitter had made some changes. I hope that all gets fixed up…I hate leaving here and having to come back due to page loading. I guess I’ll have to resort to right clicks and opening a new tab.

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sagehen  May 10, 2016 • 11:21:23am

re: #409 Jay C

Jesus H. Christ on a three-wheeled bicycle! Is there NO issue - ANY issue - which Donald Trump can address with anything other than an incoherent mix of egocentric braggadocio, childish insults towards his rivals, and vague sloganeering?

no need to expound, folks, this is a rhetorical question with an OBVIOUS answer….

If the issue is real estate, his egocentric braggadocio, childish insults towards his rivals, and vague sloganeering are relatively coherent…

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MsJ  May 10, 2016 • 11:21:31am

re: #425 Testy Toad T

They don’t want to rename their product. They want to relabel their product’s can.

Still, they are putting a name on it that isn’t (and I believe cannot be) trademarked. I just find that odd.

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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 11:22:08am

Years of pandering to the bigots is coming home to roost Ben. You broke it. You own it.

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Eventual Carrion  May 10, 2016 • 11:23:17am

re: #396 The Vicious Babushka

Oh snap. Clicking on a Tweet doesn’t open it up in a new tab like it used to.

I just got bit by that. I closed the window after reading and noticed I had closed the greenfootballs window.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 10, 2016 • 11:23:34am

re: #450 lawhawk

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Years of pandering to the bigots is coming home to roost Ben. You broke it. You own it.

And some fucking tool just wrote this for the JTA:
jta.org

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Skip Intro  May 10, 2016 • 11:24:13am
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jaunte  May 10, 2016 • 11:25:09am

re: #443 Skip Intro

One small addition:

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Skip Intro  May 10, 2016 • 11:25:44am

re: #452 The Vicious Babushka

And some fucking tool just wrote this for the JTA:
jta.org

Surprise!

Jason Dov Greenblatt is executive vice president and chief legal officer of The Trump Organization.

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sagehen  May 10, 2016 • 11:27:30am

re: #427 MsJ

Question. Can a POTUS fire a VPOTUS? So, for example (and play along that Trump is elected here), could Trump run with someone qualified as Veep but then fire them and instill a Sarah Palin type moron?

There’s always been rumors that it was Nixon who leaked the evidence that was used to force Agnew’s resignation.

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Bubblehead II  May 10, 2016 • 11:27:56am

re: #396 The Vicious Babushka

Oh snap. Clicking on a Tweet doesn’t open it up in a new tab like it used to.

Using Firefox Build 46.0.1. Tweets are still opening in a new window for me.

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sagehen  May 10, 2016 • 11:29:03am

re: #436 Skip Intro

Are either of his kids Adolph and Benito 35 yet?

I thought we were calling them Uday and Qusay.

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unproven innocence  May 10, 2016 • 11:29:17am

re: #254 Skip Intro

London mayor rejects Trump’s offer to exempt him from proposed ban on Muslims entering the U.S.

latimes.com

Someone ought to send trump a shipment of shovels, with Made in China labels. Or maybe Mexico.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 10, 2016 • 11:29:29am

re: #458 sagehen

I thought we were calling them Uday and Qusay.

Don’t forget his daughter Evita.

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sagehen  May 10, 2016 • 11:31:47am

re: #460 The Vicious Babushka

Don’t forget his daughter Evita.

Imelda.

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Skip Intro  May 10, 2016 • 11:33:26am

I wonder if Trump gets to test out each son’s potential wife for suitability before he approves of the marriage?

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MsJ  May 10, 2016 • 11:33:52am

re: #462 Skip Intro

I wonder if Trump gets to test out each son’s wife for suitability before he approves of the marriage?

GAH!!!!!!

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retired cynic  May 10, 2016 • 11:34:43am

re: #457 Bubblehead II

It works fine in Safari.

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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 11:36:53am

I’m getting the feeling that Trump’s run is like Logan’s Run. Someone’s getting carouseled at the end of the day. Today? Ben Carson. Next week? Chris Christie.

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withak  May 10, 2016 • 11:37:05am

re: #465 lawhawk

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I’m getting the feeling that Trump’s run is like Logan’s Run. Someone’s getting carouseled at the end of the day. Today? Ben Carson. Next week? Chris Christie.

Aww, I was so sure this comic was reality.

amultiverse.com

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 10, 2016 • 11:38:18am

re: #427 MsJ

Question. Can a POTUS fire a VPOTUS? So, for example (and play along that Trump is elected here), could Trump run with someone qualified as Veep but then fire them and instill a Sarah Palin type moron?

If tRump were to engage in more strategic thinking than I’ve ever seen any sign of him doing, he’d pick a running mate even more horrifying than himself—to the GOP apparat in particular. Cheap life insurance.

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Belafon  May 10, 2016 • 11:38:19am

re: #434 jaunte

Remember, these people are hoping for the apocalypse.

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Great White Snark  May 10, 2016 • 11:38:38am

One for the good guys!

ISLAMABAD — U.S. Special Operations Forces who helped free the kidnapped son of a former Pakistani prime minister did not know he was there before launching the raid in Afghanistan on Tuesday, a defense official told NBC News.

“It was pure luck,” a defense official told NBC News on condition of anonymity.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 10, 2016 • 11:39:36am

re: #462 Skip Intro

I wonder if Trump gets to test out each son’s potential wife for suitability before he approves of the marriage?

I thought he got “Prima Nochte” on all the Miss Universe contestants.

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ObserverArt  May 10, 2016 • 11:40:22am

re: #438 SirMixALot

A ton of so-called “establishment Republicans” will be coming out for Hillary or at minimum stating in public they won’t be supporting Trump. It does not matter. The base wants Trump. The base hates their leadership and the elites that run it. Not supporting Trump or endorsing Hillary is like chum in the waters to the GOP shark tank.

Heard about a poll today claiming Republican voters are 84% in favor of Trump as the GOP candidate.

So, it is either everyone falling in line or lying that they are falling in line. I suspect it is falling in line because that is what they do. I do expect a little bit of lying from some of the GOP women who might be saying one thing and prepared to do another. At least I hope that is the case.

I asked Dark yesterday if he has come to grips with the fact that The Donald™ is his guy. No reply.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 10, 2016 • 11:41:47am

STUPIDEST WINGNUT MEME OF THE DAY==>

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ObserverArt  May 10, 2016 • 11:41:54am

re: #440 Lidane

Bitter, shriveled up old vagina says what?

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How very Christian of her. Her God would be so impressed.

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Kragar  May 10, 2016 • 11:44:19am
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Eventual Carrion  May 10, 2016 • 11:46:39am

re: #414 The Vicious Babushka

So how do you classify Spanish-speaking Spaniards from Spain?

Legal immigrants.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 10, 2016 • 11:47:15am

re: #475 Eventual Carrion

Legal immigrants.

Tourists.

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Nojay UK  May 10, 2016 • 11:47:16am

re: #403 Romantic Heretic

Perfect example of why aircraft should be specifically designed for a role and not multi-role.

The A-10 was designed to chew up thin-skinned Soviet armour and vehicles on the German plains when WWIII kicked off in Europe. That role doesn’t exist any more but it can’t fly without the stupid useless dick-waving exercise of a gun it was built around as parasitic weight.

It’s slow, it’s old, it’s impractical, it costs pilot lives when it does go up against any sort of integrated defence line and it can’t support other parts of the modern air battlefield the way the F-35 can.

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Skip Intro  May 10, 2016 • 11:47:30am

re: #465 lawhawk

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I’m getting the feeling that Trump’s run is like Logan’s Run. Someone’s getting carouseled at the end of the day. Today? Ben Carson. Next week? Chris Christie.

Corey Lewandowski will be taking over for Sleepy Ben.

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Targetpractice  May 10, 2016 • 11:47:32am

re: #474 Kragar

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Not to mention the horse he’ll name to the Senate.

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ObserverArt  May 10, 2016 • 11:48:17am

re: #457 Bubblehead II

Using Firefox Build 46.0.1. Tweets are still opening in a new window for me.

It’s a Chrome issue from what Charles mentioned last night.

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Targetpractice  May 10, 2016 • 11:48:35am

re: #465 lawhawk

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I’m getting the feeling that Trump’s run is like Logan’s Run. Someone’s getting carouseled at the end of the day. Today? Ben Carson. Next week? Chris Christie.

Ben, watch out for the…*thumpthump*…bus.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 10, 2016 • 11:50:28am

NASA’s Kepler Mission Announces Largest Collection of Planets Ever Discovered

Analysis was performed on the Kepler space telescope’s July 2015 planet candidate catalog, which identified 4,302 potential planets. For 1,284 of the candidates, the probability of being a planet is greater than 99 percent - the minimum required to earn the status of “planet.” An additional 1,327 candidates are more likely than not to be actual planets, but they do not meet the 99 percent threshold and will require additional study. The remaining 707 are more likely to be some other astrophysical phenomena. This analysis also validated 984 candidates previously verified by other techniques.

<snip>

In the newly-validated batch of planets, nearly 550 could be rocky planets like Earth, based on their size. Nine of these orbit in their sun’s habitable zone, which is the distance from a star where orbiting planets can have surface temperatures that allow liquid water to pool. With the addition of these nine, 21 exoplanets now are known to be members of this exclusive group.

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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 11:55:03am

re: #477 Nojay UK

Actually, it was designed to chew up the front line Warsaw Pact tanks of the day, from the T-62 until the current variants. And it does that job exceptionally well. It was designed to survive in an environment where the US might not have air superiority at the front lines and face SAM threats from close in. On that front, the A-10 has more survivability than any other aircraft in US history.

It was purpose built to be a tank killer and survive in that mission environment.

Its replacement will be nothing of the sort. It will be a plane that is far less survivable in close air support role and costs far more to replace should it be shot down.

Speed isn’t nearly as important in close air support as being able to loiter on the target and to attack targets repeatedly. You aren’t flying in Mach 2 in under 5k feet and hitting your targets, even if you’re flying the F-35. Higher speeds and you’ll overshoot your targets, open yourself up to other hazards (terrain), and potentially hit friendlies.

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wrenchwench  May 10, 2016 • 11:55:37am

re: #482 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

NASA’s Kepler Mission Announces Largest Collection of Planets Ever Discovered

A place to go! Just in time!

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Stanley Sea  May 10, 2016 • 11:56:31am

re: #482 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

NASA’s Kepler Mission Announces Largest Collection of Planets Ever Discovered

We welcome you!

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Bubblehead II  May 10, 2016 • 11:56:37am

re: #480 ObserverArt

It’s a Chrome issue from what Charles mentioned last night.

Thanks. Must have come up after I logged off.

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Stanley Sea  May 10, 2016 • 11:57:23am

re: #484 wrenchwench

A place to go! Just in time!

re: #485 Stanley Sea

We welcome you!

Half empty/half full

!

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The Vicious Babushka  May 10, 2016 • 11:58:03am

Are Trump supporters claiming that he used to be a KGB agent? That would explain why he is BFFs with Putin.

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wrenchwench  May 10, 2016 • 11:59:07am

re: #487 Stanley Sea

Half empty/half full

!

Glass is too big.

/

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gocart mozart  May 10, 2016 • 11:59:31am
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Targetpractice  May 10, 2016 • 12:05:20pm

re: #483 lawhawk

Actually, it was designed to chew up the front line Warsaw Pact tanks of the day, from the T-62 until the current variants. And it does that job exceptionally well. It was designed to survive in an environment where the US might not have air superiority at the front lines and face SAM threats from close in. On that front, the A-10 has more survivability than any other aircraft in US history.

It was purpose built to be a tank killer and survive in that mission environment.

Its replacement will be nothing of the sort. It will be a plane that is far less survivable in close air support role and costs far more to replace should it be shot down.

Speed isn’t nearly as important in close air support as being able to loiter on the target and to attack targets repeatedly. You aren’t flying in Mach 2 in under 5k feet and hitting your targets, even if you’re flying the F-35. Higher speeds and you’ll overshoot your targets, open yourself up to other hazards (terrain), and potentially hit friendlies.

Not to mention the big fuck-off gun it’s built around is more cost-effective and useful than the missiles that will be the F-35’s only real means of dealing with armored vehicles. A single burp from the GAU-8 is enough to pop tanks and shred any lesser prey. The F-35 has a gun more as an afterthought than a realistic means of attacking a target, as its designers and its intended users have admitted they don’t intend for it to be a dogfighter. And said designers are now forced to go back to the drawing board just to design a bigger weapons bay because the present design can’t carry enough missiles to do more than piss the enemy off.

The fight over the A-10 and the pathetic efforts to shoehorn the F-35 into its role demonstrates why the Army would be wise to revisit the matter of possessing fixed-wing aircraft. The Air Force obviously doesn’t feel like living up to its end of the bargain anymore.

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Jack Burton  May 10, 2016 • 12:12:28pm

re: #491 Targetpractice

The fight over the A-10 and the pathetic efforts to shoehorn the F-35 into its role demonstrates why the Army would be wise to revisit the matter of possessing fixed-wing aircraft. The Air Force obviously doesn’t feel like living up to its end of the bargain anymore.

This might be heresy to some, but I’m starting to think we should look into splitting up the Air Force into a space/satellite/drone operations branch and moving everything else back into the Army like it was pre-1947.

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Timothy Watson  May 10, 2016 • 12:14:35pm

re: #492 Jack Burton

This might be heresy to some, but I’m starting to think we should look into splitting up the Air Force into a space/satellite/drone operations branch and moving everything else back into the Army like it was pre-1947.

HERETIC!!1!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2016 • 12:15:25pm

my surprise…

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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 12:17:16pm

re: #491 Targetpractice

And at last check, the F-35 gun is a frickin’ disgrace and lacks the punch of the GAU-8 Avenger.

The gun software is still in the works and even if they figure that bit out, it lacks the capacity to hit, disable, and kill as many targets as the A-10’s GAU-8. Oh, and did I mention the ammo capacity for the F-35 gun? F-35A version can carry just 180 rounds for the gun.

The A-10, by way of comparison? ~1,200 rounds.

Do the math. It just doesn’t add up. The USAF is looking to kill a superior aircraft and its replacement can’t do the job currently, wont do nearly as good a job of CAS, and is more likely to result in the loss of a plane more than 5x the cost of the one it replaces ($20 milion vs $100 million and that’s being charitable on the cost).

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Belafon  May 10, 2016 • 12:18:39pm

re: #492 Jack Burton

This might be heresy to some, but I’m starting to think we should look into splitting up the Air Force into a space/satellite/drone operations branch and moving everything else back into the Army like it was pre-1947.

The non-ground support parts could be moved to the Navy.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 10, 2016 • 12:20:01pm

re: #492 Jack Burton

This might be heresy to some, but I’m starting to think we should look into splitting up the Air Force into a space/satellite/drone operations branch and moving everything else back into the Army like it was pre-1947.

The separate Air Force is a failed experiment that should have been ended long ago. Air is a modality, not a separate domain. The distinction between land (Army) and sea (Navy) is real, but both have air over them and need “air forces” to do their jobs.

That said, there probably should be a separate space operation—Strategic Rocket Force, the Russians call it.

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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 12:27:39pm
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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 12:29:12pm

Broken clock watch:

Of course, Rush helped build the entire Trump campaign with the toxic brew of nonstop irrational hate, fear, and anger paraded on his show daily.

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Eventual Carrion  May 10, 2016 • 12:31:20pm

re: #494 Backwoods_Sleuth

my surprise…

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And like Cheney pick himself?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 10, 2016 • 12:32:12pm

re: #497 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Actually though, land-based ICBMs are also a failed experiment, as anyone old enough to remember the desperate scramble to try to figure out something—anything!!—to do with the MX will testify. The Navy currently has the only survivable nuclear deterrent force—might as well let them keep it.

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Targetpractice  May 10, 2016 • 12:33:16pm

re: #498 lawhawk

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So, how long before Herr Trump screams that if elected, he’ll have this guy strapped to Ol’ Sparky in the first 100 days?

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The Vicious Babushka  May 10, 2016 • 12:34:14pm

Some days you just feel like

The Human Pinball Suits

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Nojay UK  May 10, 2016 • 12:35:17pm

re: #491 Targetpractice

Not to mention the big fuck-off gun it’s built around is more cost-effective and useful than the missiles that will be the F-35’s only real means of dealing with armored vehicles. A single burp from the GAU-8 is enough to pop tanks and shred any lesser prey.

The GAU-8 gun has a range of about a kilometre with no terminal guidance of its projectiles compared to Hellfire with a range of 8 km and Maverick with a range of over 20km. There’s even better in the pipeline like the British Brimstone which can engage ground targets at up to 60km range. Brimstone can’t be carried by the A-10 as it needs a lot of sparkly bits to select targets including tracking moving vehicles, which of course the F-35 has an abundance of (it can even provide guidance and target reselection on the fly to multiple Brimstones launched from other aircraft).

The 40-year-old A-10 in a close air support role is the equivalent of a bayonet charge in a world of machine-guns and artillery. The gun is stiffy-inducing, sure just like the battleships of Reagan’s Navy but there needs to be something better in the armoury today in case the US ever finds itself up against a second or third-rate organised military again rather than stomping technicals in sandy deserts.

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Skip Intro  May 10, 2016 • 12:35:54pm

re: #499 lawhawk

If you listen to or read the transcript it’s hard to tell if Limbaugh thinks this is a bad thing. He’s certainly not criticizing Trump here.

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Kragar  May 10, 2016 • 12:36:54pm
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Belafon  May 10, 2016 • 12:38:55pm

re: #506 Kragar

Yeah, let’s have a talk about cheating husbands.

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CuriousLurker  May 10, 2016 • 12:40:43pm

re: #502 Targetpractice

So, how long before Herr Trump screams that if elected, he’ll have this guy strapped to Ol’ Sparky in the first 100 days?

A public hanging with a carnival atmosphere would be more his style, and I’m sure his supporters would love it:

Free tickets! Come one, come all—popcorn, peanuts, soft drinks—bring the wife & kids so they can see how great we’ve made America!!

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Kragar  May 10, 2016 • 12:41:37pm
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lawhawk  May 10, 2016 • 12:43:37pm

re: #504 Nojay UK

The GAU-8 ammo costs a fraction of a single Maverick or SDB. The Navy recognizes that cost problem when they’re busy trying to integrate railguns into their arsenal to eliminate the need for 5 inch guns or long range missiles (up to around 100 miles). Gun ammo is far more cost effective than missiles, which cost $250k or more a pop.

So from a cost-benefit analysis, the A-10 is superior. On range, the A-10 can carry more weapons on its hardpoints than the F-35.

The A-10 can carry 10 Mavericks. That’s a whole lot less than the F-35.

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Jebediah, RBG  May 10, 2016 • 12:48:09pm

re: #492 Jack Burton

This might be heresy to some, but I’m starting to think we should look into splitting up the Air Force into a space/satellite/drone operations branch and moving everything else back into the Army like it was pre-1947.

Does that mean we can close the Department of Aggressive Proselytizing aka Air Force Academy?

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Timothy Watson  May 10, 2016 • 12:50:51pm

re: #510 lawhawk

The GAU-8 ammo costs a fraction of a single Maverick or SDB. The Navy recognizes that cost problem when they’re busy trying to integrate railguns into their arsenal to eliminate the need for 5 inch guns or long range missiles (up to around 100 miles). Gun ammo is far more cost effective than missiles, which cost $250k or more a pop.

So from a cost-benefit analysis, the A-10 is superior. On range, the A-10 can carry more weapons on its hardpoints than the F-35.

The A-10 can carry 10 Mavericks. That’s a whole lot less than the F-35.

One source says that the F-35 can’t even carry the AGM-65 Maverick.

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Nojay UK  May 10, 2016 • 12:58:19pm

re: #510 lawhawk

The GAU-8 ammo costs a fraction of a single Maverick or SDB.

Bayonets are even cheaper. Your point?

The Navy recognizes that cost problem when they’re busy trying to integrate railguns into their arsenal to eliminate the need for 5 inch guns or long range missiles (up to around 100 miles).

Cruise missiles like the venerable Tomahawk have a range over over 2500 km and it can choose which window in a given building it impacts, compared to unguided railgun projectiles that have a CEP measured in hundred of metres at estimated ranges of 150km or so (in fact no-one has ever fired a railgun projectile more than a couple of hundred metres).

Railguns are a geek fantasy with all sorts of downsides compared to guided munitions. Air resistance is a bitch, especially at sea level.

So from a cost-benefit analysis, the A-10 is superior. On range, the A-10 can carry more weapons on its hardpoints than the F-35.

The A-10 is also way slower than an F-35, heck it’s slower than some late-WWII piston-engined aircraft.

“This is CAS central, we can vector an A-10 to be overhead of you in thirty minutes or so or you can have an F-35 in range to deliver precision air-to-ground on your attackers in ten. Which one do you want? Oh, and a friendly-fire incident where the A-10 walks their gunfire through your lines is a possibility.”

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retired cynic  May 10, 2016 • 4:58:04pm

re: #509 Kragar

Kragar, the HRC campaign should hire you to shadow Trump on Twitter!

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Jebediah, RBG  May 11, 2016 • 10:13:59am

target=”_blank”>#220 lizardofid

I know the thread is long dead but I just had to say - that was awesome! I never heard that before - thanks for posting it.


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