It’s Time for Bernie Sanders to Suspend His Campaign and Help Hillary Beat Trump

Past time, really
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The Hill has an article today quoting many Democrats and Hillary Clinton campaign insiders, who aren’t happy that Bernie Sanders continues to pretend he has a chance to win the Democratic nomination. At this point, Clinton needs to win only 10 percent of the remaining delegates to lock in the nomination.

The reality is there’s just no way Sanders is going to pull this out, and he needs to face that reality and bow out gracefully before he does lasting damage to the Democratic Party and risks ushering in a Donald Trump presidency. (Shudder.)

“This is the worst-case scenario and the one people feared the most,” said one Clinton ally and former Clinton aide. 

“Unfortunately, he’s choosing the path of burning down the house,” the ally said. “He continues with character attacks against Hillary. He continues with calling the Democratic Party corrupt, and he not only risks damaging Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party but he’s currently doing it.” 

Clinton allies say Sanders is only piling on by insisting that Clinton join him for a debate ahead of California’s primary on June 7. The debate would be aired on Fox News, a network Clinton supporters see as fanning the flames between Sanders supporters and the former secretary of State. 

A second ally said Sanders should stop criticizing the party and the front-runner’s supporters even if he continues to fight for delegates through the six state contests on June 7.

“It’s inappropriate at this point, and I hate to tell him, it’s not helping him in the long run. It’s only hurting her,” the ally said. “The Republican Party has their nominee, and he’s free and clear of his Republican opponents and is taking shots at Hillary. We need to move closer to that process, and he’s not helping.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 20, 2016 • 1:04:31pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 20, 2016 • 1:07:37pm

My hope is even if Bernie continues on this path enough people will realize by November that Trump is too bugfuck insane to let near the White House.

I also hope Donald says something insanely stupid and misogynistic during one of the debates, to further cement the hatred against him.

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MsJ  May 20, 2016 • 1:07:56pm

The saddest thing about Sanders is how many people thought well of him, only to find out he is a vapid self promoter much more in the vane (vain?) of Trump. After 25ish years in politics he’s a virtual know-nothing, has virtually done nothing (nice post office name there, Bern) and has pissed off virtually all democrats.

Great, you have the disaffected white folks who can’t bring themselves to vote for Trump. (slow clap) Bravo.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 1:08:00pm

I get the impression that he just doesn’t care. Honestly, I wouldn’t be too upset if the Democratic Party leadership played some hard ball back and took away some of his power he has in the Senate. He really needs to accept that she beat him fair and square and it wasn’t through cheating, it was through the will of the American people. He’s done far better than expected. A more pragmatic man would be proud of that and be able to set his pride aside but we’re seeing that Bernie isn’t that man and that’s a damn shame. He needs to get out and stop lying to his supporters that he has a chance. If he doesn’t get out for her sake, he should do it for himself because he’s ruining a lot of people’s perceptions of him.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 20, 2016 • 1:08:50pm

re: #3 MsJ

Vein, actually. :p

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 1:09:07pm

re: #3 MsJ

The saddest thing about Sanders is how many people thought well of him, only to find out he is a vapid self promoter much more in the vane (vain?) of Trump. After 25ish years in politics he’s a virtual know-nothing, has virtually done nothing (nice post office name there, Bern) and has pissed off virtually all democrats.

Great, you have the disaffected white folks who can’t bring themselves to vote for Trump. (slow clap) Bravo.

He has no respect at all for the diverse coalition that the Democratic party has spent years building. None. By no metric at all is he winning and yet he continues to lie to his supporters that the DNC has wronged him in some way.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 20, 2016 • 1:09:16pm

We shouldn’t sweat this too much. At this time in 2008, there were more Clinton supporters saying they wouldn’t vote for Obama then there are currently Sanders supporters saying they won’t vote for Clinton. I fully expect that Sanders will drop out shortly after the last primaries and endorse Clinton and give a fiery anti-Trump speech at the Convention, and the party will be unified. I really do.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 20, 2016 • 1:09:55pm

See I think Bernie has people blowing smoke in his ears about him still being able to win this.

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MsJ  May 20, 2016 • 1:10:09pm

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

Vein, actually. :p

Vain was more what I was going for. I just wasn’t sure about the real one. :-)

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b_sharp  May 20, 2016 • 1:10:57pm

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

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Silly goose.

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Teukka  May 20, 2016 • 1:12:24pm

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Ian G.  May 20, 2016 • 1:12:33pm

If anyone saw what happened to Jonathan Wiseman of the NY Times’ Twitter feed yesterday, it should send a chill up your spine. I thought I was jaded to resentment politics in this country, but it was enough to wonder if I might someday need to hide Jewish friends in my attic and buy a gun.

So yes, Bernie, if you don’t want the favored candidate of outright Nazis winning, it’s time to drop out.

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lawhawk  May 20, 2016 • 1:12:48pm

Delegate math.

Math.

Logic.

Odds/statistics.

All appear to be foreign to the Sanders campaign, even as they curtail their ground game operations in CA. There’s only 930 delegates remaining. Bernie currently has … 1494 (including supers). You need 2,383 to win the nomination.

If Bernie wins… 899 of the 930, he’d get the nomination.

The odds of that happening? Zero. No odds. Because it wont happen.

The much more likely scenario? Bernie loses remaining states on average of 55-45, and the delegates go proportionately. He’s SOL. Done. Toast.

But like I said up top. It’s math, and his campaign is impervious to math, and his followers are downright allergic to it.

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blueraven  May 20, 2016 • 1:13:20pm

White male approached WH Secret Service guard post with weapon drawn. Repeatedly told to drop the weapon. He ignored instruction and was shot in the chest. - Pete Williams, NBC.

What a crazy Fuck.

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b_sharp  May 20, 2016 • 1:13:56pm

I took a look at the Fox News poll that Bernie is crowing about. It looks like about 8% of the prospective votes for Trump are Bernie or Bust people. It’s just an educated guess mind you since I can’t read minds.

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Belafon  May 20, 2016 • 1:14:30pm

Personally, I think the answers the Clinton people should have given were “We’re mainly concentrated on the general election now. Sanders ran a good race, kept Clinton on her toes. Now we have to worry about Trump and get out the vote.”

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lawhawk  May 20, 2016 • 1:14:52pm

re: #14 blueraven

White male approached WH Secret Service guard post with weapon drawn. Repeatedly told to drop the weapon. He ignored instruction and was shot in the chest. - Pete Williams, NBC.

What a crazy Fuck.

Mentally ill? Suicide by law enforcement? Combination?

Sad how much that kind of thing happens.

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Charles Johnson  May 20, 2016 • 1:15:56pm

Bernie supporters already ranting at me on Twitter.

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Targetpractice  May 20, 2016 • 1:16:11pm

The problem really is that Bernie continues to lie about his chances in order to justify the continuing character attacks. At this point, it reads less like delusion and more like spite, that he’s prepared to tear down the party as recompense for the perceived slight of not simply crowning him as nominee for his “purity.” And in continuing these character attacks, he’s only assisting Trump by furthering the idea that Clinton’s nomination and thus her candidacy for the presidency is not “legitimate.” That she didn’t earn it through the millions of Democrats who voted for her, but rather was given the nomination in a “coronation” by a corrupt party.

Sanders is not in danger of permanently driving a wedge in the party, but he is turning what should have been a rout into a much harder slog for the party. And for that, he deserves all the shit that is being piled upon him. After this year, the DNC may very well want to consider rules to prevent future runs by independents who are only in it for the media exposure.

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blueraven  May 20, 2016 • 1:16:35pm

re: #17 lawhawk

Mentally ill? Suicide by law enforcement? Combination?

Sad how much that kind of thing happens.

Just a guy with a gun. //

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Teukka  May 20, 2016 • 1:17:53pm

re: #20 blueraven

Just a guy with a gun. //

Having his 2nd amendment rights suppressed by evil Obama, of course//

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Targetpractice  May 20, 2016 • 1:18:40pm

re: #15 b_sharp

I took a look at the Fox News poll that Bernie is crowing about. It looks like about 8% of the prospective votes for Trump are Bernie or Bust people. It’s just an educated guess mind you since I can’t read minds.

The big problem with that poll for Bernie? A month ago, he was leading Trump by 13%. Now? 4%. The man’s leading argument, that he should be nominated because his odds against Trump are better, is evaporating as the GOP coalesces around Herr Donald.

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lawhawk  May 20, 2016 • 1:19:19pm

There is no scenario in which Bernie can win. This is the same dynamic that’s been in place since before New York. You know, that stretch where Bernie won 7 states in a row? That only cut Hillary’s lead from 300+ down to the mid 200s. And Hillary extended her lead with the NY win.

nytimes.com

It. Is. Over.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 1:19:46pm

re: #19 Targetpractice

The problem really is that Bernie continues to lie about his chances in order to justify the continuing character attacks. At this point, it reads less like delusion and more like spite, that he’s prepared to tear down the party as recompense for the perceived slight of not simply crowning him as nominee for his “purity.” And in continuing these character attacks, he’s only assisting Trump by furthering the idea that Clinton’s nomination and thus her candidacy for the presidency is not “legitimate.” That she didn’t earn it through the millions of Democrats who voted for her, but rather was given the nomination in a “coronation” by a corrupt party.

Sanders is not in danger of permanently driving a wedge in the party, but he is turning what should have been a rout into a much harder slog for the party. And for that, he deserves all the shit that is being piled upon him. After this year, the DNC may very well want to consider rules to prevent future runs by independents who are only in it for the media exposure.

The most amusing thing is seeing his supporters in desperation go “Well FDR won the nomination at the convention!”, So it confuses me, they hate the party apparatus but yet they want to use that same apparatus to nominate Bernie even though it’s very clear that most Democrats prefer Clinton. Then again, it’s the same as when Weaver hates on the SDs but then insists they’re going to get the SDs to switch over to Bernie just like that. Honestly, if Bernie hadn’t acted like such a sore loser and he is acting iike a sore loser, he would have had the the opportunity to get his issues heard and there would be little complaints about that. So great job, Bernie you shot yourself in the foot because you couldn’t accept that you’ve been beaten fair and square.

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EPR-radar  May 20, 2016 • 1:20:51pm

The idea of having a (D) debate on Fox News is stupid enough to dismiss out of hand.

Of course mirror-image scenarios are never considered in the first place.

Nobody suggests that Mother Jones put on a GOP presidential debate.

The idea of teaching the controversy between theism and secular humanism in Sunday school is never proposed.

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blueraven  May 20, 2016 • 1:20:53pm

There is absolutely no value in a Fox News debate. O’Reilly has been egging this on. Their little game is so obvious.

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EPR-radar  May 20, 2016 • 1:22:37pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

The most amusing thing is seeing his supporters in desperation go “Well FDR won the nomination at the convention!”, So it confuses me, they hate the party apparatus but yet they want to use that same apparatus to nominate Bernie even though it’s very clear that most Democrats prefer Clinton. Then again, it’s the same as when Weaver hates on the SDs but then insists they’re going to get the SDs to switch over to Bernie just like that. Honestly, if Bernie hadn’t acted like such a sore loser and he is acting iike a sore loser, he would have had the the opportunity to get his issues heard and there would be little complaints about that. So great job, Bernie you shot yourself in the foot because you couldn’t accept that you’ve been beaten fair and square.

Bernie Sanders’ present behavior is indistinguishable from his behavior had he been paid by the oligarchy to take a dive on the oligarchy issue to kill it for the next few decades.

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Kragar  May 20, 2016 • 1:24:29pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

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Targetpractice  May 20, 2016 • 1:25:37pm

re: #23 lawhawk

There is no scenario in which Bernie can win. This is the same dynamic that’s been in place since before New York. You know, that stretch where Bernie won 7 states in a row? That only cut Hillary’s lead from 300+ down to the mid 200s. And Hillary extended her lead with the NY win.

nytimes.com

It. Is. Over.

It was over after Super Tuesday, when she opened a huge lead and only kept adding to it. And March 15th made that clear when he failed to win a single state. The only thing that has kept his campaign alive for months has been the media pushing the horse race narrative, that the race was “close” and Sanders could come from behind to win. Hell, you’ve still got “pundits” insisting that he could win big in California and radically alter the race going into the convention.

The DNC waited too long to put a bullet in this zombie’s head.

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lawhawk  May 20, 2016 • 1:26:46pm
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Testy Toad T  May 20, 2016 • 1:27:09pm

To be honest, I think the bitterness of the dead-end Berniebros would be more damaging if Sanders dropped out before California than the damage done by Sanders himself between now and the end of the primaries.

Not totally sure, but there’s definitely no clean way out at this point. Which is fine. 2008 was vitriolic, too. We’ll deal with the Bern endgame when he’s ready.

I just really don’t think Sanders’ nibbling at the edges of Hillary Clinton is convincing all that many folks who weren’t already swayed by two decades of nonstop RWNJ spittle-ranting.

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Belafon  May 20, 2016 • 1:27:31pm

re: #30 lawhawk

They never would have quoted him if Hillary hadn’t told them to.

///

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lawhawk  May 20, 2016 • 1:28:14pm

re: #29 Targetpractice

That’s what I’ve been saying for months. With proportional primary delegate apportionment, there’s no way to make up the huge lead Hillary opened up on Super Tuesday with narrow wins like Michigan. He needed 15 point wins. And he’s run out of delegates to play catch up with.

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gocart mozart  May 20, 2016 • 1:29:25pm
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Charles Johnson  May 20, 2016 • 1:29:49pm

Sanders can’t possibly win. It’s just not going to happen. The only thing he achieves by staying in at this point is helping Donald Trump by feeding the perception that the Democrats are in disarray.

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Kragar  May 20, 2016 • 1:30:34pm
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The Vicious Babushka  May 20, 2016 • 1:30:56pm
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The Vicious Babushka  May 20, 2016 • 1:31:22pm

So who bet on May 20 as the day Baby Whiplash boards the Trump Train?

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2016 • 1:31:32pm

re: #34 gocart mozart

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Tell him they could have his old job at The King’s College.

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blueraven  May 20, 2016 • 1:31:38pm

I would be fine with Bernie staying in until all states have voted. But I would want to see him pivot to attacking Trump, contrasting Dem/Rep policies and stop with the BS that he is going to win…and if he doesn’t it is becasue the system is rigged.

He needs to give his supporters an off ramp.

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 20, 2016 • 1:33:35pm

re: #23 lawhawk

There is no scenario in which Bernie can win. This is the same dynamic that’s been in place since before New York. You know, that stretch where Bernie won 7 states in a row? That only cut Hillary’s lead from 300+ down to the mid 200s. And Hillary extended her lead with the NY win.

nytimes.com

It. Is. Over.

Pearl harbor
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Stanley Sea  May 20, 2016 • 1:34:32pm

re: #34 gocart mozart

Don’t see the point in engaging that cretin. He loves it.

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Stanley Sea  May 20, 2016 • 1:34:52pm

Just my opinion, carry on.

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Targetpractice  May 20, 2016 • 1:35:22pm

re: #33 lawhawk

That’s what I’ve been saying for months. With proportional primary delegate apportionment, there’s no way to make up the huge lead Hillary opened up on Super Tuesday with narrow wins like Michigan. He needed 15 point wins. And he’s run out of delegates to play catch up with.

There were plenty of warning signs even earlier that he was not going to win. All the media focus on the “surprise upset” in Iowa masked how Bernie had failed to win in what should have been prime real estate for his brand of socialism. And then the one-two set of losses in South Carolina and Nevada that demonstrated that Bernie was not winning the minority votes he needed to carry the nomination. If there’s anything that did him no favors, it was Jane arrogantly declaring that the Obama coalition was obsolete and the winner would create a “new coalition,” which read to yours truly and a lot of minority voters as “white folks are the only true voters that matter.”

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Billy Batts  May 20, 2016 • 1:36:07pm

This motherfucker should have his account deleted forever. This is unbelievable.

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Targetpractice  May 20, 2016 • 1:36:10pm

re: #38 The Vicious Babushka

So who bet on May 20 as the day Baby Whiplash boards the Trump Train?

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Been saying for weeks that he and the rest of the #NeverTrump crowd would eventually decide that they hated Hillary more than they hated Trump.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 1:36:14pm

re: #38 The Vicious Babushka

So who bet on May 20 as the day Baby Whiplash boards the Trump Train?

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He’ll be on board the Trump Train, I have no doubt at all about that. He hates Hillary and liberals much more than he does Trump.

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Billy Batts  May 20, 2016 • 1:37:52pm

I reported that piece of shit. No idea if that’ll do any good though.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 1:39:13pm

re: #46 Targetpractice

Been saying for weeks that he and the rest of the #NeverTrump crowd would eventually decide that they hated Hillary more than they hated Trump.

Right. There may be a few holdovers (Sasse seems sincere) but many of the others have become OkayTrumpBecauseIHateHitlary.

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The Mountain That Blogs  May 20, 2016 • 1:39:35pm

Other thing is that Hillary’s wins all came in bunches on the same night, whereas Bernie has won lots of individual election nights, thanks to a bunch of his states being the only ones to vote on their primary/caucus day. Matters for the news cycles.

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JDRhoades  May 20, 2016 • 1:40:02pm

This all sounds strangely familiar….

In 2008, even when it became numerically impossible for Hillary Clinton to win the nomination (and I know she’s further ahead now—impossible is still impossible), she was staying in and her spokespeople were openly saying that, if she won a big state, even if she was behind in delegates, the convention should give her the nomination anyway if she was ahead of McCain in the polls because, in the words of Clinton spokesman Lanny Davis “we are not a suicide party.”

She was also demanding that Michigan and Florida delegates be seated at the convention even though the Party had disallowed them because they broke the party rules on when to hold primaries—and the party changed their decision with a compromise to let half of each delegation’s votes count. So “changing the rules” is not unheard of.

She also expressed the possibility that something bad could happen to the presumptive nominee, “like in 1968”. The difference is in that case, she was talking about a potential assassination (like RFK) , not a devastating gaffe or indictment like Sanders’ people are talking about now.

Oh, and let’s not forget the race-baiting, with claims that we needed to nominate Hillary because she did better with, in her words, “hard working Americans, white Americans.”

And yet, 8 years later, Clintonistas are expressing outright loathing of Bernie Sanders and open disdain and hatred for his supporters, claiming he has dementia, and demanding that his supporters sit down and STFU because he’s staying in, fighting, demanding changes in party rules, and basically doing a lot of the same things to try and win.

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Testy Toad T  May 20, 2016 • 1:40:39pm

re: #46 Targetpractice

Been saying for weeks that he and the rest of the #NeverTrump crowd would eventually decide that they hated Hillary more than they hated Trump.

My suspicion is that they’ll slink into the shadows in October, and maybe not vote at all. That’s not really germane to their real plan, which is to position themselves to piss on the smoldering ashes of Trump’s campaign in December. They would seek to elevate their power-broker station by declaring they were right all along.

That’s the smart play, anyway.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 1:41:03pm

I just don’t see a candidate who polls so badly with key constituencies in the Democratic Party as being worthy of its nomination.

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Testy Toad T  May 20, 2016 • 1:41:21pm

re: #51 JDRhoades

tl;dr sadpanda

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The Vicious Babushka  May 20, 2016 • 1:41:37pm
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JDRhoades  May 20, 2016 • 1:42:55pm

re: #54 Testy Toad T

Awful short attention span you got there, citizen. Might want to get that looked at.

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allegro  May 20, 2016 • 1:43:13pm

re: #51 JDRhoades

Yes, her campaign did those things in 2008. And she lost.

Just sayin.

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Belafon  May 20, 2016 • 1:44:49pm

re: #51 JDRhoades

That’s why I think those of us who are ready for the general should just move on. A lot of younger people weren’t in the thick of it in 2008, and a lot of older people have forgotten. We have done this before.

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ipsos  May 20, 2016 • 1:44:52pm

re: #57 allegro

Yes, her campaign did those things in 2008. And she lost.

Just sayin.

And once she realized it was over, she worked like hell to get Obama elected. Will Bernie do that?

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The Mountain That Blogs  May 20, 2016 • 1:44:59pm

Also, and I bet most Bernie supports don’t even realize this—of Bernie’s 1494 pledged delegates, how many came from states Bernie won?

The answer is 583, or just 39%. Almost 2/3 of Bernie’s delegates come from states he lost.

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JDRhoades  May 20, 2016 • 1:45:05pm

re: #57 allegro

Very true. She did. But it’s more than a little hypocritical for her supporters to now come down on Sanders for doing the same or similar things to try and pull a victory out of this.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 1:45:08pm

re: #55 The Vicious Babushka

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That does give me some hope that once Clinton clinches, he’ll rally the troops and focus on Trump and electing Clinton.

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Belafon  May 20, 2016 • 1:45:46pm

re: #59 ipsos

And once she realized it was over, she worked like hell to get Obama elected. Will Bernie do that?

We’ll find out when it’s over. But she didn’t exactly sound like she would before the end of the primaries.

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JDRhoades  May 20, 2016 • 1:46:12pm

re: #59 ipsos

How many times does he have to say it?

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allegro  May 20, 2016 • 1:46:13pm

re: #59 ipsos

And once she realized it was over, she worked like hell to get Obama elected. Will Bernie do that?

I hope he will. If he believes any of what he’s been preaching, he will.

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Testy Toad T  May 20, 2016 • 1:46:33pm

re: #57 allegro

Yes, her campaign did those things in 2008. And she lost.

Just sayin.

She also had, like, more votes than Obama (yes, yes, Michigan/Florida shenanigans, blah blah etc.). And was down, what, like 1/3 as much as Sanders is in the pledged delegate count, and had an actual plausible argument that she represented the core of the Democratic Party in an establishment sense.

The parallels are there, but they’re not nearly as strong as most seem to wish.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 1:46:39pm

re: #63 Belafon

We’ll find out when it’s over. But she didn’t exactly sound like she would before the end of the primaries.

I will say in her defense that she did have a long record of working to elect other Democrats in the past. That’s something that has long bugged me about Bernie.

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Jay C  May 20, 2016 • 1:47:11pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

The most amusing thing is seeing his supporters in desperation go “Well FDR won the nomination at the convention!”

Well, spouting stuff like this just adds “ahistoricality” to the catalog of the berniebots’ failings: if they’re talking about 1932, Roosevelt had a solid majority of delegates heading into the convention (though not the 2/3 then necessary for the nom), and made a fairly straightforward deal with old Cactus Jack Garner for his delegates in return for putting him on the ticket for (in Garner’s immortal words, that “not worth a bucket of warm piss” position) the VP slot.

And if they’re referring to 1940: that was pretty much a Roosevelt show from the get-go, despite FDR’s unconvincing hemming-and-hawing about running for a third term: the VP nom was the only real point of contention (and - oh those innocent days of yore!) which ended up going to Henry Wallace: probably the most leftist national political figure in this country’s pre-Bernie Sanders history…..

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gocart mozart  May 20, 2016 • 1:47:31pm
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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 1:47:53pm

re: #68 Jay C

Well, spouting stuff like this just adds “ahistoricality” to the catalog of the berniebots’ failings: if they’re talking about 1932, Roosevelt had a solid majority of delegates heading into the convention (though not the 2/3 then necessary for the nom), and made a fairly straightforward deal with old Cactus Jack Garner for his delegates in return for putting him on the ticket for (in Garner’s immortal words, that “not worth a bucket of warm piss” position) the VP slot.

And if they’re referring to 1940: that was pretty much a Roosevelt show from the get-go, despite FDR’s unconvincing hemming-and-hawing about running for a third term: the VP nom was the only real point of contention (and - oh those innocent days of yore!) which ended up going to Henry Wallace: probably the most leftist nation political figure in this country’s pre-Bernie Sanders history…..

I think they’re referring to 1932.

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Belafon  May 20, 2016 • 1:47:57pm

re: #66 Testy Toad T

She also had, like, more votes than Obama (yes, yes, Michigan/Florida shenanigans, blah blah etc.). And was down, what, like 1/3 as much as Sanders is in the pledged delegate count, and had an actual plausible argument that she represented the core of the Democratic Party in an establishment sense.

The parallels are there, but they’re not nearly as strong as most seem to wish.

And other parallels are stronger than people here want to believe.

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ipsos  May 20, 2016 • 1:48:00pm

re: #61 JDRhoades

Very true. She did. But it’s more than a little hypocritical for her supporters to now come down on Sanders for doing the same or similar things to try and pull a victory out of this.

There’s a critical difference I think you’re missing. For all the ratfcking “PUMA” noise, there was really no question that once her campaign had ended, Hillary was going to remain part of Team D and work for Obama and downticket candidates. All of the noise around Sanders, especially from Weaver and from Jane Sanders, has been about reverting to Bernie’s independent status and NOT working with the party. That’s a very different place to be compared to where the 2008 Clinton campaign was at this point in the race.

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JDRhoades  May 20, 2016 • 1:48:10pm

re: #63 Belafon

But she didn’t exactly sound like she would before the end of the primaries.

And some of her supporters were RAGING.

We have all been here before, we have all been here befoooorrrrre…

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wrenchwench  May 20, 2016 • 1:48:20pm

re: #64 JDRhoades

How many times does he have to say it?

Hourly, as long as he’s working against her.

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blueraven  May 20, 2016 • 1:49:16pm

re: #51 JDRhoades

She also expressed the possibility that something bad could happen to the presumptive nominee, “like in 1968”. The difference is in that case, she was talking about a potential assassination (like RFK) , not a devastating gaffe or indictment like Sanders’ people are talking about now.

I was an avid Obama supporter in 2008. At first I was angry with her statement about RFK, but once I calmed down realized she was just referring to the date…how long the race went on in 68.

Yes, it was inartfully said, but she was not talking about staying in just in case Obama was assassinated. So stop spreading that nonsense.

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nkdee  May 20, 2016 • 1:50:17pm

re: #12 Ian G.

OMG! That is awful. Poor guy.

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goddamnedfrank  May 20, 2016 • 1:50:36pm

re: #61 JDRhoades

Very true. She did. But it’s more than a little hypocritical for her supporters to now come down on Sanders for doing the same or similar things to try and pull a victory out of this.

Sure, and I remember it because I’d supported and voted for Obama in that primary. There are key differences though, her path to victory was much more plausible towards the end. Also the primary electoral landscape itself was much murkier with the situation in Florida and Michigan. Also, the stakes are much higher now, Trump has literally promised to enact policies tantamount to ethnic and religious cleansing. For Bernie to put himself ahead of defeating that is just despicable in my opinion.

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gocart mozart  May 20, 2016 • 1:50:38pm

re: #45 Billy Batts

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Belafon  May 20, 2016 • 1:51:42pm

I was an Obama supporter then, and I’m a Clinton supporter now. Her “count Michigan and Florida” push was actually worse than Bernie’s “I’ll get the superdelegates to switch” because the superdelegates could switch. Obama wasn’t even on the ballot in Michigan and neither of them campaigned in Florida.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 1:52:25pm

re: #78 gocart mozart

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allegro  May 20, 2016 • 1:52:31pm

re: #61 JDRhoades

Very true. She did. But it’s more than a little hypocritical for her supporters to now come down on Sanders for doing the same or similar things to try and pull a victory out of this.

You assume much, grasshopper. I gave my support in 2008 to Obama because I didn’t care for Hillary’s campaign while his was perfection. She has my support now because she is running a terrific campaign and she will be an excellent president. IOW she learned well from her mistakes.

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Shiplord Kirel  May 20, 2016 • 1:52:58pm

If the White House shooter is an RWNJ, he undoubtedly thought HE was the “good guy with a gun.” Hell of it is, the great majority of rightwing pundits would probably have agreed right up the moment he defied the Secret Service, and some still do.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 1:53:57pm

re: #82 Shiplord Kirel

If the White House shooter is an RWNJ, he undoubtedly thought HE was the “good guy with a gun.” Hell of it is, the great majority of rightwing pundits would probably have agreed right up the moment he defied the Secret Service, and some still do.

Hoft seemed bummed that the shooter didn’t get Obama.

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Kragar  May 20, 2016 • 1:54:11pm
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Targetpractice  May 20, 2016 • 1:54:47pm

re: #51 JDRhoades

The only changes to the rules that Sanders is demanding are ones that he feels would get him closer to the nomination. He bitches about closed primaries, yet numerous primaries in the South were open ones and he still lost. And he’s not said a word about caucuses, which are where the majority of his “wins” have come from. He wants to abolish superdelegates while at the same time assuring the faithful that they will be his path to the nomination. And he’s pressuring the party to “let the people in” while his campaign tries to flout party rules by arguing that people who are not party members should be able to serve as delegates.

Before Nevada, Sanders could have argued that he only wanted to change the rules to better the party. Now, it’s obvious he doesn’t give a fuck about the party.

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The Mountain That Blogs  May 20, 2016 • 1:55:50pm

re: #84 Kragar

just 40?

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 1:56:07pm

re: #84 Kragar

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Testy Toad T  May 20, 2016 • 1:56:13pm

re: #81 allegro

You assume much, grasshopper. I gave my support in 2008 to Obama because I didn’t care for Hillary’s campaign while his was perfection. She has my support now because she is running a terrific campaign and she will be an excellent president. IOW she learned well from her mistakes.

Of all the friends and coworkers whose political views I know, actually zero of the ones who support Clinton now voted for her in 2008.

It’s a completely different coalition, which is really quite fascinating to me. Oblig: lolmarkpenn

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Testy Toad T  May 20, 2016 • 1:56:49pm

re: #86 The Mountain That Blogs

just 40?

Well, you know the political sway of Big Tacobowl.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 1:57:21pm

re: #88 Testy Toad T

Of all the friends and coworkers whose political views I know, actually zero of the ones who support Clinton now voted for her in 2008.

It’s a completely different coalition, which is really quite fascinating to me. Oblig: lolmarkpenn

We’ve discussed this before but I was quite turned off by Clinton’s campaign in 2008. In fact, I was so turned off by it, I thought Obama was wrong to give her SoS but she did campaign hard for him in 2008, she did serve admirably as SoS, and she has run a good campaign this time.

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Nyet  May 20, 2016 • 1:57:27pm

re: #79 Belafon

I was an Obama supporter then, and I’m a Clinton supporter now. Her “count Michigan and Florida” push was actually worse than Bernie’s “I’ll get the superdelegates to switch” because the superdelegates could switch. Obama wasn’t even on the ballot in Michigan and neither of them campaigned in Florida.

Same here. I guess Bernie shows that even the most “pure” (as if!) politicians engage in stuff like that.

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Targetpractice  May 20, 2016 • 1:57:31pm

re: #84 Kragar

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Jay C  May 20, 2016 • 1:57:48pm

re: #84 Kragar

Poll: Donald Trump trails Hillary Clinton by nearly 40 points with Latinos cnn.it

Good news for The Donald! Nowhere to go but up!!! *

*though I’m sure that if he really tries, Trump can increase that gap…

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Kragar  May 20, 2016 • 1:58:49pm
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Nyet  May 20, 2016 • 1:59:23pm

re: #61 JDRhoades

Very true. She did. But it’s more than a little hypocritical for her supporters to now come down on Sanders for doing the same or similar things to try and pull a victory out of this.

At least for those of us who were Obama supporters back then, no, not at all.

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Targetpractice  May 20, 2016 • 1:59:36pm

Look for a lot of GE polls this fall and winter oversampling white voters and undersampling minority voters to keep the “horse race” narrative alive.

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goddamnedfrank  May 20, 2016 • 2:00:08pm

re: #81 allegro

IOW she learned well from her mistakes.

Exactly. That’s what kills me about Sanders campaign. I haven’t seen him show one ounces of introspection, apologize for any of his gaffs or insane senile bullshit like saying she called him “quote unquote ‘unqualified’” in order to set himself up to call her that. I haven’t seen his campaign pivot or adapt in the least to their huge rejection by minority votes. His game-plan didn’t survive early contact with the electorate, and his rejection of the Obama coalition and focus on the white-working class was shown very early on to be a epic mistake. He fundamentally misjudged what the Democratic Party is in 2016, and keeps running on that error hoping against hope that California of all places hasn’t progressed demographically as much as the other highly diverse States that he’s lost.

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Nyet  May 20, 2016 • 2:02:46pm

Clinton’s campaign back then was in part buried by the atrocious Mark Penn and a host of other such unseemly figures. Right now Clinton has a great team, while Bernie has several folks ru(i/n)ning his campaign who are the equivalent of Penn, if not worse.

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Belafon  May 20, 2016 • 2:02:54pm

re: #94 Kragar

John Berry III confirmed his son’s death to Rolling Stone. Berry’s father told the magazine that Berry was suffering from frontal lobe dementia that had worsened in the last few months.

foxnews.com

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 20, 2016 • 2:02:59pm

re: #61 JDRhoades

Except he won’t. He has never campaigned for anyone other than himself his entire career. Which is a hell of a lot longer than Hillary’s.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 2:05:20pm

re: #99 Belafon

foxnews.com

Dementia at an age that young. Very sad.

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Jack Burton  May 20, 2016 • 2:06:27pm

re: #51 JDRhoades

It was wrong when she did it then. It’s wrong when he’s doing it now. Her being somewhat of a hypocrite on the matter doesn’t change that.

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goddamnedfrank  May 20, 2016 • 2:06:42pm

re: #88 Testy Toad T

Of all the friends and coworkers whose political views I know, actually zero of the ones who support Clinton now voted for her in 2008.

It’s a completely different coalition, which is really quite fascinating to me. Oblig: lolmarkpenn

Two key things happened since 2008:

1st. Obama’s younger voters got older, because that’s how time works.
2nd. Hillary ran in defense of his legacy, learned from his campaigns and adopted the Obama coalition electoral model.

Corollary to the second point is that Sanders actively rejected the Obama coalition model in two interviews in 2014. In those interviews he clearly announced his intent to focus on the “white working-class.”

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Testy Toad T  May 20, 2016 • 2:07:02pm

re: #98 Nyet

Clinton’s campaign back then was in part buried by the atrocious Mark Penn and a host of other such unseemly figures. Right now Clinton has a great team, while Bernie has several folks ru(i/n)ning his campaign who are the equivalent of Penn, if not worse.

I remember it being such a depressing, grouchy, complaining campaign of rearward-looking malaise. Maybe there’s a bit more to that: Clinton ‘16 is a gregarious, smiling, forward-looking font of hope. All Sanders wants to do is look back at how much harder we should have turned the thumbscrews on Goldmann Sachs and how terrible a foreign policy vote Clinton cast over a decade ago.

It’s a case study in whether aggrievement politics ring hollow with a voter.

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Chez Ko Pe  May 20, 2016 • 2:07:04pm

Bernie “concession” speech, as I picture it:
“Where’s my cake? I… want… my… cake! Where’s my cake, Bedelia? Where’s my Father’s Day cake? I want my cake you dirty B***H! I’m going to have it! BEDELIA! It’s Father’s Day! Where’s my cake? You promised me my cake! Bedelia, I’m your father and you’re supposed to be taking care of me! BEDELIA, YOU B***H! What do you think I’ve got you here for? You’re just like all the others! You’re nothing but a bunch of VULTURES!”

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Targetpractice  May 20, 2016 • 2:07:33pm

re: #77 goddamnedfrank

Sure, and I remember it because I’d supported and voted for Obama in that primary. There are key differences though, her path to victory was much more plausible towards the end. Also the primary electoral landscape itself was much murkier with the situation in Florida and Michigan. Also, the stakes are much higher now, Trump has literally promised to enact policies tantamount to ethnic and religious cleansing. For Bernie to put himself ahead of defeating that is just despicable in my opinion.

The whole “Hillary did the same in ‘08!” cry ignores the reality that ‘08 was a far more competitive race, that she started out with all the advantages, and both candidates were long-time party members who had loyalty within the party ranks. It wasn’t until he took the superdelegate lead in May ‘08 that she finally conceded the race. Going into that concession, she’d stopped the character attacks and began running on a conciliatory tone. It was she who made the motion at the convention to stop the voting once he had the necessary delegates to win the nomination outright and Bill was the keynote speaker who did not hold back in stumping for Obama.

Every indication right now is that Sanders will do none of that. If he concedes, it will be weeks after it became obvious he had no path to the nomination, not days after the tide shifted against him. He will not stop the character attacks, he will very likely amp them up in order to go out claiming the nomination was “stolen” from him. And if he does give a speech at the convention, expect it to be a damp squib of an appearance that will be focused on what he views is his domain (progressive policies) and light on any enthusiasm for a Clinton presidency.

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Targetpractice  May 20, 2016 • 2:08:28pm

re: #105 Chez Ko Pe

Bernie “concession” speech, as I picture it:
“Where’s my cake? I… want… my… cake! Where’s my cake, Bedelia? Where’s my Father’s Day cake? I want my cake you dirty B***H! I’m going to have it! BEDELIA! It’s Father’s Day! Where’s my cake? You promised me my cake! Bedelia, I’m your father and you’re supposed to be taking care of me! BEDELIA, YOU B***H! What do you think I’ve got you here for? You’re just like all the others! You’re nothing but a bunch of VULTURES!”

Somebody’s been watching Creepshow.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 2:08:32pm

re: #103 goddamnedfrank

Two key things happened since 2008:

1st. Obama’s younger voters got older, because that’s how time works.
2nd. Hillary ran in defense of his legacy, learned from his campaigns and adopted the Obama coalition electoral model.

Corollary to the second point is that Sanders actively rejected the Obama coalition model in two interviews in 2014. In those interviews he clearly announced his intent to focus on the “white working-class.”

She’s learned. I doubt she’ll ever admit it but losing to Obama was a great thing for her and her career.

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Nyet  May 20, 2016 • 2:09:48pm

re: #104 Testy Toad T

Hear, hear.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 20, 2016 • 2:10:45pm

heh

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 2:12:10pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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“Ello, Mr. Trump, this is David Cameron, prime minister of jolly old England, ‘ow you doin’ mate? I’m inviting you to me flat on Dowlin’ Street. Bring plenty o cash since we’ll be hitting up the pubs.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 20, 2016 • 2:12:35pm
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Dave In Austin  May 20, 2016 • 2:13:18pm
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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 2:13:31pm

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m pleasantly surprised since Fallin is pretty wingnutty.

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cat-tikvah  May 20, 2016 • 2:13:36pm

re: #7 Big Beautiful Door

God I hope you’re right. I don’t have faith in him to do that.

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Targetpractice  May 20, 2016 • 2:13:54pm

re: #104 Testy Toad T

I remember it being such a depressing, grouchy, complaining campaign of rearward-looking malaise. Maybe there’s a bit more to that: Clinton ‘16 is a gregarious, smiling, forward-looking font of hope. All Sanders wants to do is look back at how much harder we should have turned the thumbscrews on Goldmann Sachs and how terrible a foreign policy vote Clinton cast over a decade ago.

It’s a case study in whether aggrievement politics ring hollow with a voter.

As I’ve noted to Bernie Bros in recent days, it’s amazing how much so-called “progressives” want to focus on the past. All they want to talk about is how we didn’t hang bankers from lampposts in ‘08, how we didn’t run Hillary out of the party after her Iraq vote, how we didn’t adopt European-style healthcare rather than the ACA, how all black issues stem from the ‘94 Crime Bill, and how the economic went in the shitter due to Glass-Steagall being repealed. The whole theme of the Sanders campaign for months has been “The only way to move forward is to obsess over things that happened 30-40 years ago!”

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goddamnedfrank  May 20, 2016 • 2:13:56pm

The entire article is here.

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cat-tikvah  May 20, 2016 • 2:15:22pm

re: #12 Ian G.

This is the first time in my life that I’ve considered owning a gun, and I HATE guns. Trump is unleashing Pandora’s box of racists, xenophobes and Jew-haters, and I assume many of them are armed.

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Belafon  May 20, 2016 • 2:15:23pm

My point of comparing the campaigns of 2008 and now is I do not see any evidence that what Sanders is doing right now is going to actually damage our chances in November. Clinton was doing the same stuff. It doesn’t matter to me that she was closer, because she still felt it necessary to pull the stunt with Michigan and Florida. So, unless you can actually show something that Sanders is doing that is worse than that, I just am not worried right now about him still being in the race. Do I like what he’s saying at times? No. But that’s not the same thing.

And, if he actually does continue this after the nomination is sewn up, well, the screaming now isn’t actually going to change that, so it doesn’t matter either.

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Testy Toad T  May 20, 2016 • 2:15:38pm

re: #116 Targetpractice

The whole theme of the Sanders campaign for months has been “The only way to move forward is to obsess over things that happened 30-40 years ago!”

It’s particularly illuminating because it suggests that Sanders thought the country was best before he started helping to run it.

When most firmly against the wall, the socialist starts to float to the surface.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 2:16:03pm

re: #116 Targetpractice

As I’ve noted to Bernie Bros in recent days, it’s amazing how much so-called “progressives” want to focus on the past. All they want to talk about is how we didn’t hang bankers from lampposts in ‘08, how we didn’t run Hillary out of the party after her Iraq vote, how we didn’t adopt European-style healthcare rather than the ACA, how all black issues stem from the ‘94 Crime Bill, and how the economic went in the shitter due to Glass-Steagall being repealed. The whole theme of the Sanders campaign for months has been “The only way to move forward is to obsess over things that happened 30-40 years ago!”

Not to mention Bernie’s constant bemoaning of the white working class no longer voting for the party. He ignores that large numbers of working class Hispanics, African-Americans, Asians still DO support the party. If the white working class has left the Democratic Party, it’s because in many ways they did not like the increasingly socially liberal agenda of the party. Bernie may have a socially liberal record but I really don’t think he appreciates social liberalism and how it makes our party work..

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cat-tikvah  May 20, 2016 • 2:16:15pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

What took them so long?

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Belafon  May 20, 2016 • 2:16:15pm

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s actually breaking news.

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EPR-radar  May 20, 2016 • 2:17:05pm

re: #97 goddamnedfrank

Exactly. That’s what kills me about Sanders campaign. I haven’t seen him show one ounces of introspection, apologize for any of his gaffs or insane senile bullshit like saying she called him “quote unquote ‘unqualified’” in order to set himself up to call her that. I haven’t seen his campaign pivot or adapt in the least to their huge rejection by minority votes. His game-plan didn’t survive early contact with the electorate, and his rejection of the Obama coalition and focus on the white-working class was shown very early on to be a epic mistake. He fundamentally misjudged what the Democratic Party is in 2016, and keeps running on that error hoping against hope that California of all places hasn’t progressed demographically as much as the other highly diverse States that he’s lost.

Here’s how Hillary Clinton could have lost my vote in this primary:

Had her campaign doubled down on the truly stupid remarks Clinton made with respect to Reagan and AIDS.

But that didn’t happen. Instead, quick damage control was done.

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Testy Toad T  May 20, 2016 • 2:17:57pm

re: #119 Belafon

And, if he actually does continue this after the nomination is sewn up, well, the screaming now isn’t actually going to change that, so it doesn’t matter either.

Bro, do you even Democrat!?

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 2:18:01pm

re: #124 EPR-radar

Here’s how Hillary Clinton could have lost my vote in this primary:

Had her campaign doubled down on the truly stupid remarks Clinton made with respect to Reagan and AIDS.

But that didn’t happen. Instead, quick damage control was done.

I was glad to see that the campaign handled that well.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 20, 2016 • 2:19:18pm

Oops.

Misaligned mirrors are being blamed for a fire that broke out yesterday at the world’s largest solar power plant, leaving the high-tech facility crippled for the time being. It sounds like the plant’s workers suffered through a real hellscape, too.

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Belafon  May 20, 2016 • 2:19:42pm

re: #125 Testy Toad T

Bro, do you even Democrat!?

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I tried the worrying that Democrats do once. I don’t have the mental capacity to do that for too long.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 2:20:13pm

So on a cool genealogical note. Finally found one of my great grandparents immigration record. Persistence is a virtue.

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Targetpractice  May 20, 2016 • 2:21:37pm

Bernie’s biggest problem is that, for all his talk about how he is the “future” of the party, his campaign has been almost entirely about looking back to the past. He wants to focus on the white working class vote, a vote that is increasingly irrelevant and hasn’t gone big for the DNC since the Civil Rights Act became law. He is all about economic inequality, to the point that he views all other issues as distractions and feels the DNC has done itself a disfavor focusing on them instead. People talk about how he’s bringing topics to the public attention, but he’s been giving the same stump speech since Nixon was in office.

The man is not the “future,” he’s the last vestige of what the party used to be, a manifestation of the Boomer frustration that they are losing control over the party that they dominated for a generation.

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Charles Johnson  May 20, 2016 • 2:23:41pm

The Rage Furby just posted yet another way too long rant about Facebook and how they’re doomed to fail now because they “censored” him.

It’s the Chuck C. Johnson universe. Everything revolves around him.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 2:23:42pm

re: #130 Targetpractice

Bernie’s biggest problem is that, for all his talk about how he is the “future” of the party, his campaign has been almost entirely about looking back to the past. He wants to focus on the white working class vote, a vote that is increasingly irrelevant and hasn’t gone big for the DNC since the Civil Rights Act became law. He is all about economic inequality, to the point that he views all other issues as distractions and feels the DNC has done itself a disfavor focusing on them instead. People talk about how he’s bringing topics to the public attention, but he’s been giving the same stump speech since Nixon was in office.

The man is not the “future,” he’s the last vestige of what the party used to be, a manifestation of the Boomer frustration that they are losing control over the party that they dominated for a generation.

That’s one way he parallels Ron Paul. Another self fancied revolutionary and future of his party who has been giving the same stump speech since the Nixon years.

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Testy Toad T  May 20, 2016 • 2:23:46pm

re: #130 Targetpractice

The man is not the “future,” he’s the last vestige of what the party used to be, a manifestation of the Boomer frustration that they are losing control over the party that they dominated for a generation.

The Mondale Party.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2016 • 2:24:20pm

re: #130 Targetpractice

Bernie’s biggest problem is that, for all his talk about how he is the “future” of the party, his campaign has been almost entirely about looking back to the past. He wants to focus on the white working class vote, a vote that is increasingly irrelevant and hasn’t gone big for the DNC since the Civil Rights Act became law. He is all about economic inequality, to the point that he views all other issues as distractions and feels the DNC has done itself a disfavor focusing on them instead. People talk about how he’s bringing topics to the public attention, but he’s been giving the same stump speech since Nixon was in office.

The man is not the “future,” he’s the last vestige of what the party used to be, a manifestation of the Boomer frustration that they are losing control over the party that they dominated for a generation.

The future of the party is people who think they’re too good to join it? Fuck them.

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Jack Burton  May 20, 2016 • 2:24:52pm

re: #127 Ziggy_TARDIS

Oops.

They must have hired a Fantastic Technician who had a theoretical degree in physics.

/fallout

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Belafon  May 20, 2016 • 2:25:04pm

re: #134 Blind Frog Belly White

The future of the party is people who think they’re too good to join it? Fuck them.

He would never be a part of any party that would have him.

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Targetpractice  May 20, 2016 • 2:25:12pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

The Rage Furby just posted yet another way too long rant about Facebook and how they’re doomed to fail now because they “censored” him.

It’s the Chuck C. Johnson universe. Everything revolves around him.

Hey now, he’s a force to be reckoned with. Remember when Twitter’s stock went belly-up after they banned him?

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Targetpractice  May 20, 2016 • 2:27:06pm

re: #134 Blind Frog Belly White

The future of the party is people who think they’re too good to join it? Fuck them.

Bernie Bros like to talk up how he’s “brought so many people into the party.” Yet just yesterday at one of his rallies in CA, the warm-up speaker was telling people that they needed to register Dem to vote for him, but could change their registration back afterwards.

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Jack Burton  May 20, 2016 • 2:27:57pm

re: #135 Jack Burton

That or they were test firing Archimedes…

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Charles Johnson  May 20, 2016 • 2:28:51pm

There’s a critical difference in this election that makes it vitally important that Democrats start working together SOON. That difference is named Donald Trump. Mitt Romney and John McCain were creeps but they weren’t Trump.

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Nyet  May 20, 2016 • 2:28:54pm

It has come to this: I hope Bernie will have been forgotten in 1 year.

Suffering obnoxious far-lefties longer than that is not something I’m looking forward to.

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Testy Toad T  May 20, 2016 • 2:30:16pm

re: #138 Targetpractice

Bernie Bros like to talk up how he’s “brought so many people into the party.” Yet just yesterday at one of his rallies in CA, the warm-up speaker was telling people that they needed to register Dem to vote for him, but could change their registration back afterwards.

EW SO UNCLEAN GET IT OFF GET IT OFF

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 2:30:45pm

re: #138 Targetpractice

Bernie Bros like to talk up how he’s “brought so many people into the party.” Yet just yesterday at one of his rallies in CA, the warm-up speaker was telling people that they needed to register Dem to vote for him, but could change their registration back afterwards.

Yeah I saw that. Gee, you have a surrogate do that and you have the nerve to complain about the party not treating you right?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 20, 2016 • 2:31:41pm

All I’m hoping for is for the unironic retweets of Shaun King to stop showing up in my timeline.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2016 • 2:31:48pm

re: #138 Targetpractice

Bernie Bros like to talk up how he’s “brought so many people into the party.” Yet just yesterday at one of his rallies in CA, the warm-up speaker was telling people that they needed to register Dem to vote for him, but could change their registration back afterwards.

My brother in NM has registered Dem for the Primary, but says he’ll change his registration the next day. But he’s a pompous jerk.

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Jack Burton  May 20, 2016 • 2:31:52pm

re: #140 Charles Johnson

There’s a critical difference in this election that makes it vitally important that Democrats start working together SOON. That difference is named Donald Trump. Mitt Romney was a creep but he wasn’t a Trump.

John McCain was the issue in 2008. But McCain was no Trump either. This was when the GOP was not completely controlled by lunatics yet. He wouldn’t start World War 3 or collapse the world economy with a gaffe or two, among other things.

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Belafon  May 20, 2016 • 2:32:28pm

re: #140 Charles Johnson

There’s a critical difference in this election that makes it vitally important that Democrats start working together SOON. That difference is named Donald Trump. Mitt Romney was a creep but he wasn’t a Trump.

Two and a half weeks. And Clinton personally can ignore Sanders, and I think she already has.

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Charles Johnson  May 20, 2016 • 2:33:31pm
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Testy Toad T  May 20, 2016 • 2:33:39pm

re: #146 Jack Burton

John McCain was the issue in 2008. But McCain was no Trump either. This was when the GOP was not completely controlled by lunatics yet. He wouldn’t start World War 3 or collapse the world economy with a gaffe or two, among other things.

The degree of difficulty in this election should be much lower. The problem is that the degree of risk is so, so much higher.

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goddamnedfrank  May 20, 2016 • 2:33:42pm

re: #138 Targetpractice

Bernie Bros like to talk up how he’s “brought so many people into the party.” Yet just yesterday at one of his rallies in CA, the warm-up speaker was telling people that they needed to register Dem to vote for him, but could change their registration back afterwards.

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Nyet  May 20, 2016 • 2:34:07pm

Don’t let the door hit ya…

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 20, 2016 • 2:34:51pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

Talk about content-free….

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Belafon  May 20, 2016 • 2:35:08pm

re: #150 goddamnedfrank

re: #151 Nyet

Let’s see how much an army of one gets done in a Democracy.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 2:35:15pm

re: #150 goddamnedfrank

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Then don’t attempt to influence who that party nominates for office then Shaun if you’re going to quit and urge people to quit the Democratic Party. Oh wait? You want it both ways. You want to be able to tell the Democratic Party what to do but you don’t want to actually be a member? That’s called being a dick.

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Targetpractice  May 20, 2016 • 2:35:16pm

re: #150 goddamnedfrank

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And in 4 years, it’ll be “WHY DON’T DEMOCRATS LISTEN TO ME?!”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 20, 2016 • 2:35:26pm

re: #138 Targetpractice

Bernie Bros like to talk up how he’s “brought so many people into the party.” Yet just yesterday at one of his rallies in CA, the warm-up speaker was telling people that they needed to register Dem to vote for him, but could change their registration back afterwards.

You don’t even have to register as Dem in general in CA, just request the Dem ballot if you’re registered as Decline to State.

I mean, maybe the rules are different for last minute stuff, but…?

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 2:35:39pm

re: #148 Charles Johnson

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goddamnedfrank  May 20, 2016 • 2:35:49pm

A reminder:

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A Mom Anon  May 20, 2016 • 2:37:01pm

Sigh. This whole process seems to have brought out the absolute worst in people.

The new thing on my pet wingnuts facebook pages is how nobody ever complained about what a racist, misogynist, asshole Trump was until he announced his Presidential run. No, there’s never, EVER been a question of his character. Someone help me unroll my fucking eyes. Yes, what a paragon of virtue, a monument to Grace and Kindness he is.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 2:37:30pm

re: #156 klys (maker of Silmarils)

You don’t even have to register as Dem in general in CA, just request the Dem ballot if you’re registered as Decline to State.

I mean, maybe the rules are different for last minute stuff, but…?

I saw someone freaking out that DtS and other independents have to request to get the Dem ballot or something like that. Maybe I read them wrong, I don’t know but it would make sense that you would have to request them. We don’t have party registration here in Va either and my dad, grandmother, and I had to request Dem ballots since even though the lady had me right by looking at me that I was a Dem voter, she wasn’t sure. Oh and Clinton won our open primary state by a landslide.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 20, 2016 • 2:38:48pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

I saw someone freaking out that DtS and other independents have to request to get the Dem ballot or something like that. Maybe I read them wrong, I don’t know but it would make sense that you would have to request them. We don’t have party registration here in Va either and my dad, grandmother, and I had to request Dem ballots since even though the lady had me right by looking at me that I was a Dem voter, she wasn’t sure. Oh and Clinton won our open primary state by a landslide.

I mean, there’s like 4 parties that let you vote in the presidential primary if you’re DtS. They don’t know which one to send/give you unless you tell them, idiots. (I went permanent absentee years ago. Best thing ever.)

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goddamnedfrank  May 20, 2016 • 2:39:10pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 20, 2016 • 2:39:23pm

re: #135 Jack Burton

I remember that annoying character.

Did anyone else shoot him for being corrupt during their playthroughs?

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Jack Burton  May 20, 2016 • 2:40:21pm

re: #151 Nyet

Right now what *should* be happening is the Democrats sitting back and basking in the realization that the GOP is destroying itself and that until a new party forms, they are pretty much going to have the Presidency handed to them for a couple of decades. BernieBros are sabotaging that for… even more crazy. A far left Tea party taking over the Democratic Party will destroy it too.

I’m getting really tired of being a centrist or center-left somehow being a bad thing.

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CarolJ  May 20, 2016 • 2:40:30pm

re: #159 A Mom Anon

Until he was running for a position that had power over us, people may have been aware personally, but everybody is entitled to be a jackass in private and they could dismiss him. Yes, he was a celebrity, but so was other people and if you didn’t care, it was only a minor deal.

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Decatur Deb  May 20, 2016 • 2:42:13pm

re: #165 CarolJ

Until he was running for a position that had power over us, people may have been aware personally, but everybody is entitled to be a jackass in private and they could dismiss him. Yes, he was a celebrity, but so was other people and if you didn’t care, it was only a minor deal.

Until a GOP brainfart made him significant, Trump held the same niche in my concerns as Dog the Bounty Hunter.

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Jack Burton  May 20, 2016 • 2:43:09pm

re: #163 Ziggy_TARDIS

I remember that annoying character.

Did anyone else shoot him for being corrupt during their playthroughs?

I was afraid if I did that the NCR would get pissed at me, or at least everyone in the building go hostile to me.

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Stanley Sea  May 20, 2016 • 2:43:25pm

re: #113 Dave In Austin

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I’m seriously crying too. Loved it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2016 • 2:43:45pm

Faced with the possibility of DONALD FUCKING TRUMP, the Far Left threatens to take its dolls and dishes and go home if the Democratic Party doesn’t give them a pony, even though they have disdained to join it.

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Jack Burton  May 20, 2016 • 2:45:03pm

re: #169 Blind Frog Belly White

Faced with the possibility of DONALD FUCKING TRUMP, the Far Left threatens to take its dolls and dishes and go home if the Democratic Party doesn’t give them a pony, even though they have disdained to join it.

Unicron Hutners (intentionally spelled wrong like their signs would be).

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 20, 2016 • 2:46:33pm

re: #169 Blind Frog Belly White

Faced with the possibility of DONALD FUCKING TRUMP, the Far Left threatens to take its dolls and dishes and go home if the Democratic Party doesn’t give them a pony, even though they have disdained to join it.

The thing I like about sportspuck and rooting for my team in sportspuck is that I don’t have to sit and wonder why the people who root for the other team are such idiots and are completely missing common sense and logic.

Essentially it is a rah rah go team exercise where the other side doesn’t make me despair about the future of humanity. (Shhh, there are exceptions, but I’m being nice.)

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bratwurst  May 20, 2016 • 2:47:37pm

The Chachi and Kirstie Alley endorsements were YUUUUUGE, but Trump just got the one destined to put him over the top:

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2016 • 2:48:43pm

re: #172 bratwurst

The Chachi and Kirstie Alley endorsements were YUUUUUGE, but Trump just got the one destined to put him over the top:

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Hey, look! Some of his best friends are……

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iossarian  May 20, 2016 • 2:49:41pm

re: #164 Jack Burton

Right now what *should* be happening is the Democrats sitting back and basking in the realization that the GOP is destroying itself and that until a new party forms, they are pretty much going to have the Presidency handed to them for a couple of decades. BernieBros are sabotaging that for… even more crazy. A far left Tea party taking over the Democratic Party will destroy it too.

I’m getting really tired of being a centrist or center-left somehow being a bad thing.

It’s not even that. Hillary appeals to centrists, sure, but speaking as a pretty left-wing guy I have zero problem with her being the next president vs. Bernie. I mean, it’s not that Bernie isn’t a bit more left-wing (he is) but from a purely pragmatic view they’re both going to be roughly equally effective in terms of changing things for the better, though in rather different ways.

The people supporting Bernie TO THE POINT OF DEATH are probably mostly pretty left wing but that isn’t why they’re nutso. That’s a whole other explanation and it has a lot more to do with personality than politics.

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Great White Snark  May 20, 2016 • 2:51:07pm

Yaay~! camera light has arrived!

This should help me up my macro photo quality, especially on flowers, maybe even the hummingbirds on remote tethered mode

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goddamnedfrank  May 20, 2016 • 2:51:41pm
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wrenchwench  May 20, 2016 • 2:52:11pm

re: #175 Great White Snark

Yaay~! camera light has arrived!
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This should help me up my macro photo quality, especially on flowers, maybe even the hummingbirds on remote tethered mode

You tether the humming birds?!?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 20, 2016 • 2:52:34pm

re: #177 wrenchwench

You tether the humming birds?!?

I imagine getting the jesses on is a real trick.

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Great White Snark  May 20, 2016 • 2:52:47pm

re: #169 Blind Frog Belly White

Faced with the possibility of DONALD FUCKING TRUMP, the Far Left threatens to take its dolls and dishes and go home if the Democratic Party doesn’t give them a pony, even though they have disdained to join it.

And that is why this long disaffected indy won’t join that party. I can’t handle the far left wing there. Just vote as need requires

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Great White Snark  May 20, 2016 • 2:53:23pm

re: #177 wrenchwench

You tether the humming birds?!?

LOL. Now that would be unkind.

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Targetpractice  May 20, 2016 • 2:53:28pm

Another thing about the whole rules change in ‘08 is that the closeness of the race was such that, had the party agreed to seat all of the MI and FL delegates on a 1:1 basis, Clinton could have conceivably won the pledged delegate count. And the Clinton campaign’s argument was not that they should be seated to make it “fair,” but that the voters in those states deserved a say in the nomination irrespective of their state party leaders purposefully violating the rules agreed to by the national party.

By contrast, there’s no conceivable rule change that Sanders could propose this late in the game that would allow him to win the pledged delegate count. It’s the proverbial rearranging of the deck chairs, the only thing that will change is how badly he loses the count. The only reason to make the changes is to lend some credence to the accusations he’s made that the primary process was “rigged” and he was never given a “fair” chance.

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Targetpractice  May 20, 2016 • 2:54:42pm

re: #150 goddamnedfrank

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Bye Felicia!!!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 20, 2016 • 2:54:51pm

re: #167 Jack Burton

Killing him does not affect your standing with the NCR in anyway, shape, or form.

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A Mom Anon  May 20, 2016 • 2:56:21pm

re: #165 CarolJ

But they are acting like he’s pristine and all godly and shit and it’s not a big fucking secret he’s none of those things. Because reading is just too hard I guess.

In other GA news, the former Cobb County GOP chair (he served til 2015 when his term limits kicked in) was just arrested today for 2 counts of child molestation. But I’m sure it’s all just a democrat plot to make conservatives look bad. His attorney issued a statement earlier that basically said they are going to put the victims on trial.

And then there’s this:

One of my neighbors went on a rant yesterday about “paying it forward”. Apparently some horrible poor person screwed her out of 25 cents. A grocery store chain around here charges you a quarter to take the cart off a rack of some kind, and then when you return it you get your quarter back. The idea being it’s cheaper for the store to not have to hire someone to do that job and they pass the savings on to you. You have incentive to return the carts, they save a some money. Anyhow, someone gave her a cart so she didn’t have to dig for a quarter. Nice enough yes? The lady told my neighbor to “pay it forward”. So she gave her cart to a guy when she was done and he took it to the cart rack and got the quarter back. She was pissed about this. I mean really annoyed and pissed. Until I pointed out to her that a) she didn’t lose a penny since she didn’t pay for the cart and b) it’s most likely possible that this person needed that fucking quarter way worse than she does. That shut that conversation the fuck down and all the back slapping and poor shaming came to a halt. I also wrote a sermon about kindness being something that doesn’t belong to you once you give it away. So the Godless Heathen schooled the Jesusy Ones in compassion.

I am SO SICK OF THESE FUCKING PEOPLE. And this little bit of shit is the least of it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2016 • 2:56:32pm

re: #179 Great White Snark

And that is why this long disaffected indy won’t join that party. I can’t handle the far left wing there. Just vote as need requires

As long as you don’t bitch about how you’re being disenfranchised because of your choice.

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wrenchwench  May 20, 2016 • 2:59:23pm

He knows what he’s talking about.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 3:00:30pm

re: #186 wrenchwench

He knows what he’s talking about.

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I still think he would have made a good president.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2016 • 3:00:50pm

I saw this on FB:

Mosul, Iraq: Islamic State Group Kills 25 Prisoners By Lowering Them Into Vat of Acid, Reports Say

Assuming it’s true, I gotta say, ISIS are geniuses at propaganda. Over 470,000 people have been shot, blown up, etc. to death in Syria during the civil war there, and all most Americans can do is yawn. But kill 25 people in a horrible way, and everyone’s ready to send in the troops.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 20, 2016 • 3:00:52pm

re: #185 Blind Frog Belly White

As long as you don’t bitch about how you’re being disenfranchised because of your choice.

Easier in CA than most places.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 3:03:29pm

re: #188 Blind Frog Belly White

I saw this on FB:

Assuming it’s true, I gotta say, ISIS are geniuses at propaganda. Over 470,000 people have been shot, blown up, etc. to death in Syria during the civil war there, and all most Americans can do is yawn. But kill 25 people in a horrible way, and everyone’s ready to send in the troops.

They know how to get people’s blood boiling.

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Charles Johnson  May 20, 2016 • 3:03:51pm
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Stanley Sea  May 20, 2016 • 3:04:28pm

re: #188 Blind Frog Belly White

I saw this on FB:

Assuming it’s true, I gotta say, ISIS are geniuses at propaganda. Over 470,000 people have been shot, blown up, etc. to death in Syria during the civil war there, and all most Americans can do is yawn. But kill 25 people in a horrible way, and everyone’s ready to send in the troops.

Terrorism creates irrational fear.

dats the plan stan

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2016 • 3:05:09pm

re: #186 wrenchwench

He knows what he’s talking about.

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I didn’t bike to work, nor will I, ever, as long as I work where I work and live where I live. There ARE NO safe roads to get here. BUT, I did BRING my bike to work, so I can ride after. Probably doesn’t count.

I see Secretary Kerry likes steel. Good man!

Although the pic does demonstrate just how funky frames over 58 cm C-C look!

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Decatur Deb  May 20, 2016 • 3:05:33pm

re: #192 Stanley Sea

Terrorism creates irrational fear.

dats the plan stan

But it helps drone operators sleep tight.

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wrenchwench  May 20, 2016 • 3:05:39pm

re: #191 Charles Johnson

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Or— maybe John Lewis knows something. He was there.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 3:05:56pm

re: #191 Charles Johnson

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Hillary helped during the Civil Rights movement too. Man this is what drives me bnokers about the BBs. Their complete lack of respect for people like Congressmen Lewis who literally risked their lives. for Civil Rights.

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Stanley Sea  May 20, 2016 • 3:05:59pm

re: #191 Charles Johnson

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Guaranteed antonio is white dude.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 3:06:10pm

re: #195 wrenchwench

Or— maybe John Lewis knows something. He was there.

Nah, he’s just a sell out.

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Skip Intro  May 20, 2016 • 3:07:12pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2016 • 3:08:47pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

Nah, he’s just a sell out.

Him and all those black people who also voted for Clinton, especially in the Red States That Don’t Matter, as opposed to the Red States That Matter.

You can tell the difference by who won the Primary. West Virginia matters. Kentucky ALMOST mattered, but at the last minute Jefferson County made the whole state irrelevant.
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 20, 2016 • 3:10:39pm
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Decatur Deb  May 20, 2016 • 3:11:49pm

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If my fingers were that short and stubby, I’d keep them hidden from sight.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2016 • 3:12:36pm

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

edit - Man, that GIF was gonna give me seizures!

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Great White Snark  May 20, 2016 • 3:13:46pm

re: #185 Blind Frog Belly White

As long as you don’t bitch about how you’re being disenfranchised because of your choice.

Good point, but I would say I could have registered Dem to give HRC my vote and still be disenfranchised from the primary. It’s over, and weeks before I could vote anyway.

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Stanley Sea  May 20, 2016 • 3:14:10pm

Planning a Memorial Day weekend party. We just agreed on a Lebanese food truck.

YES.

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Great White Snark  May 20, 2016 • 3:17:07pm

re: #205 Stanley Sea

Heh we should Skype our parties.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2016 • 3:18:00pm

re: #206 Great White Snark

Heh we should Skype our parties.

What, so we can watch people eat food we can’t? T’hell wit’ dat!

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The Vicious Babushka  May 20, 2016 • 3:19:09pm

re: #184 A Mom Anon

But they are acting like he’s pristine and all godly and shit and it’s not a big fucking secret he’s none of those things. Because reading is just too hard I guess.

In other GA news, the former Cobb County GOP chair (he served til 2015 when his term limits kicked in) was just arrested today for 2 counts of child molestation. But I’m sure it’s all just a democrat plot to make conservatives look bad. His attorney issued a statement earlier that basically said they are going to put the victims on trial.

And then there’s this:

One of my neighbors went on a rant yesterday about “paying it forward”. Apparently some horrible poor person screwed her out of 25 cents. A grocery store chain around here charges you a quarter to take the cart off a rack of some kind, and then when you return it you get your quarter back. The idea being it’s cheaper for the store to not have to hire someone to do that job and they pass the savings on to you. You have incentive to return the carts, they save a some money. Anyhow, someone gave her a cart so she didn’t have to dig for a quarter. Nice enough yes? The lady told my neighbor to “pay it forward”. So she gave her cart to a guy when she was done and he took it to the cart rack and got the quarter back. She was pissed about this. I mean really annoyed and pissed. Until I pointed out to her that a) she didn’t lose a penny since she didn’t pay for the cart and b) it’s most likely possible that this person needed that fucking quarter way worse than she does. That shut that conversation the fuck down and all the back slapping and poor shaming came to a halt. I also wrote a sermon about kindness being something that doesn’t belong to you once you give it away. So the Godless Heathen schooled the Jesusy Ones in compassion.

I am SO SICK OF THESE FUCKING PEOPLE. And this little bit of shit is the least of it.

OFFS I just can’t even.

The store where I always shop used to have the 25¢ carts because little old ladies were always walking away with them. Then they switched to a different system where the carts locked up if you pushed them past an electronic perimeter.

Well guess what! All the carts are now lined up outside the store, without quarter slots and without locking wheels, for anybody to come along and take one.

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Stanley Sea  May 20, 2016 • 3:20:12pm

re: #206 Great White Snark

Heh we should Skype our parties.

Feel bad telling & not inviting! We are already trying to figure out the neighborhood parking problem. Handle or ignore……

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Kilroy01  May 20, 2016 • 3:20:58pm

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

We spend 250 billion dollars a year on defense. And here we are. The fate of the planet is in the hands of a bunch of retards I wouldn’t trust with a potato gun.

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bratwurst  May 20, 2016 • 3:21:48pm

White privilege example number 5871738:

What are the chances a non-white reality TV star could get away with a slap on the wrist for having 8 unregistered guns to go with FOUR OUNCES of marijuana, and lesser amounts of meth and unprescribed Xanax all discovered following accusations of sexual assault?

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 3:22:01pm

re: #200 Blind Frog Belly White

Him and all those black people who also voted for Clinton, especially in the Red States That Don’t Matter, as opposed to the Red States That Matter.

You can tell the difference by who won the Primary. West Virginia matters. Kentucky ALMOST mattered, but at the last minute Jefferson County made the whole state irrelevant.
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I have to admit when I saw Bernie on Larry Wilmore a month back, I got annoyed at Larry since Larry gave credence to Bernie’s bs on the Red states and the South. It’s true, those states are Republican but they’re not any less Republican than the red states that Bernie has won. The difference is those states were predominately white and the ones Clinton won were more diverse.

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Great White Snark  May 20, 2016 • 3:22:20pm

re: #209 Stanley Sea

Feel bad telling & not inviting! We are already trying to figure out the neighborhood parking problem. Handle or ignore……

Encourage Uber etc maybe? Esp if serving adult beverages

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Stanley Sea  May 20, 2016 • 3:22:33pm

re: #211 bratwurst

White privilege example number 5871738:

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What are the chances a non-white reality TV star could get away with a slap on the wrist for having 8 unregistered guns to go with FOUR OUNCES of marijuana, and lesser amounts of meth and unprescribed Xanax all discovered following accusations of sexual assault?

:o

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 3:22:51pm

re: #211 bratwurst

White privilege example number 5871738:

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What are the chances a non-white reality TV star could get away with a slap on the wrist for having 8 unregistered guns to go with FOUR OUNCES of marijuana, and lesser amounts of meth and unprescribed Xanax all discovered following accusations of sexual assault?

Nah no such thing as white privilige. Just ask a white guy who makes his living being an angry white guy.

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Stanley Sea  May 20, 2016 • 3:24:30pm

re: #213 Great White Snark

Encourage Uber etc maybe? Esp if serving adult beverages

That’s what we are doing. Pretty sure that’s a no brainer.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 20, 2016 • 3:26:26pm

re: #188 Blind Frog Belly White

I saw this on FB:

Assuming it’s true, I gotta say, ISIS are geniuses at propaganda. Over 470,000 people have been shot, blown up, etc. to death in Syria during the civil war there, and all most Americans can do is yawn. But kill 25 people in a horrible way, and everyone’s ready to send in the troops.

WHY CAN’T WE DO THAT TO THEM BACK? WHY DO THEY GET TO DO THAT AND WE CAN’T HIT THEM BACK? HOW IS THAT FAIR, OK? TRUST ME, BELIEVE ME I WILL DO EVERYTHING THAT ISIS DOES BACK TO THEM!!!1!!!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 20, 2016 • 3:27:21pm

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

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When you’ve lost Mary Fallin….

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ObserverArt  May 20, 2016 • 3:29:40pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

There were plenty of warning signs even earlier that he was not going to win. All the media focus on the “surprise upset” in Iowa masked how Bernie had failed to win in what should have been prime real estate for his brand of socialism. And then the one-two set of losses in South Carolina and Nevada that demonstrated that Bernie was not winning the minority votes he needed to carry the nomination. If there’s anything that did him no favors, it was Jane arrogantly declaring that the Obama coalition was obsolete and the winner would create a “new coalition,” which read to yours truly and a lot of minority voters as “white folks are the only true voters that matter.”

Jeff Weaver said Iowa was where their problems started because the DNC Chair and her Clinton buddies rigged the contest and Bernie never stood a chance.

This theory was backed up by noted political wizard Joke Scarborough and his sidekick Meek-a.

So it must be true right?

(heh)

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A Mom Anon  May 20, 2016 • 3:31:45pm

re: #208 The Vicious Babushka

OMG. She made such a HUGE deal about how she was paying it forward and how this person just took total advantage of her.

Um no. You mean spirited cow. This is a woman who has two kids that her parents took care of so she could get a college degree once they were old enough to go to school. Her husband works for a defense contractor. They “had to get married” when she was in high school, I think she’s about 16 yrs younger than I am. They make well over 100K a year between the two of them and she’s throwing a fit over a quarter.

She wasn’t always like this. When we first moved here she was a young mom to two little girls and she and her husband, while getting lots of family help, we still going through the growing pains most young couples go through as they have kids and so forth. Now she’s nearly insufferable. The land her house is built on was given to them by her dad. In fact, all the land behind and on one side of me belongs to that family. So she’s not some self made person who did it on her own. I swear, I am tempted to go over there sometime when no one is home and leave a trail of quarters up her driveway to her front door, but I CAN’T AFFORD TO.

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ObserverArt  May 20, 2016 • 3:36:00pm

re: #61 JDRhoades

Very true. She did. But it’s more than a little hypocritical for her supporters to now come down on Sanders for doing the same or similar things to try and pull a victory out of this.

Pardon me, but since you know the 2008 primary so well, can you tell me if at any time Hillary made any comments about tearing the Democratic Party establishment down and having a revolution driven by the millions of of people that voted for her? And along that line, did Hillary’s campaign managers ever hint that maybe if need be she would go independent?

I can’t remember that.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 20, 2016 • 3:38:18pm

Oh look A Idiot in my mentions

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goddamnedfrank  May 20, 2016 • 3:39:30pm

re: #211 bratwurst

White privilege example number 5871738:

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What are the chances a non-white reality TV star could get away with a slap on the wrist for having 8 unregistered guns to go with FOUR OUNCES of marijuana, and lesser amounts of meth and unprescribed Xanax all discovered following accusations of sexual assault?

Possession of an unregistered gun isn’t a crime in Nevada, nor is it a sentencing enhancement. They don’t require background checks for private party transfers and there’s no registration at all there anymore. Prior to June 2015 Clark County required registration of handguns only, which is probably the only reason that four of his guns had been registered at all.

Even here in California with all our gun laws it’s possible to possess unregistered handguns legally if you moved here already in possession of them prior to the registration law going into effect. There’s still no registration required for longarms imported by people moving into State. These loopholes are odd and frankly indefensible, but they exist.

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majii  May 20, 2016 • 3:42:28pm

re: #118 cat-tikvah

The first time I purchased a gun was a few years ago. I live in GA, and I live alone, and the GOP/TPers began acting in a violent manner and iu14pushing for guns, guns, and moar guns, and feeling they had a right to use those guns to kill anyone they chose to. Plus, GA is a SYG state. I’m not taking any chances with these tools. If they step wrong, I will have zero hesitation about using my gun. I don’t bother anyone because my thing is to live my life and let others live theirs, but I don’t plan to be caught by surprise by any of them. There’s an atmosphere/belief here that only some lives matter, and the ruling class/group will do anything, even use violence, to keep the “lesser thans” in their place.

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A Mom Anon  May 20, 2016 • 3:42:57pm

OK, The Husband is home so I am going to get off here, stop venting about my asshat neighbors and maybe go for a walk with him and Miss Dog. I just hope this country stops being so fucking mean sometime soon. i really can’t deal with it anymore.

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Great White Snark  May 20, 2016 • 3:44:53pm

re: #223 goddamnedfrank

Our legislators are much too busy pushing gun control ideas less wise than those.

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goddamnedfrank  May 20, 2016 • 3:45:49pm
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The Vicious Babushka  May 20, 2016 • 3:47:12pm
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piratedan  May 20, 2016 • 3:47:51pm

to be fair, I agree with Sen. Sanders that income inequality is indeed an issue. I’m glad that he’s run so we can talk about it and the crushing weight of college debt on aspiring middle classers. However, it’s far from the only issue and not everything needs to be warped around it. We still need to do something about jobs, revaluing the concept of work. Paying for these things. Also things like climate change, sexism, bigotry, racism and perhaps a foreign policy that doesn’t involve bombing people we don’t agree with.

Can also cite finally getting these hypocritical God Botherers out of the governing loop deciding everything on “faith” which just happens to coincide with them keeping all of the opportunity and capital for themselves. Also would like to deny the budding fascists who are trying to make the most of their opportunity. Perhaps a SCOTUS nomination hangs in the balance and the direction of the court for the next decade.

I would also like to see him understand that while his issues have merit, people have indeed spoken and if not fold up his tent, at least not threaten to release the animals from the circus.

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ObserverArt  May 20, 2016 • 3:48:51pm

re: #148 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ‎@Green_Footballs

I used to like Eagles of Death Metal, but now - fuck them. Their frontman gave an interview to white nationalists. Asshole.

5:33 PM - 20 May 2016

Somehow this does not surprise me.

Let’s just say they are a bit rough around the edges. So their politics would most likely follow.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 20, 2016 • 3:48:54pm
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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 3:50:42pm

re: #231 The Vicious Babushka

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You’re dealing with an idiot.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 20, 2016 • 3:51:28pm

re: #231 The Vicious Babushka

Forget it Jake, they’re Berniebots!

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majii  May 20, 2016 • 3:53:27pm

re: #191 Charles Johnson

This d*mn prick wasn’t anywhere around when Rep. Lewis was on the front-lines fighting for all of our civil rights. He’s not fit to shine Rep. Lewis’s shoes. If Bernie took part in a few civil rights marches, that was a good thing, but for this tweeting turd to attempt to smear HRC because she wasn’t, is a very low blow. Someone should tell this tool that there’s more than one way to stand up for Americans’ civil rights.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 3:54:00pm

re: #227 goddamnedfrank

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And this is why I hate the far left. They deserve Trump? Yeah because Trump being elected will only negatively impact the DNC. Really I’m sick of BBs thinking they can use their pony to hold the rest of hostage.

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lawhawk  May 20, 2016 • 3:54:14pm

re: #150 goddamnedfrank

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Kragar  May 20, 2016 • 3:54:30pm
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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 3:54:40pm

re: #234 majii

This d*mn prick wasn’t anywhere around when Rep. Lewis was on the front-lines fighting for all of our civil rights. He’s not fit to shine Rep. Lewis’s shoes. If Bernie took part in a few civil rights marches, that was a good thing, but for this tweeting turd to attempt to smear HRC because she wasn’t, is a very low blow. Someone should tell this tool that there’s more than one way to stand up for Americans’ civil rights.

There’s also what Clinton did in fact do to expose discrimination in Arkansas.

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Great White Snark  May 20, 2016 • 3:56:16pm

re: #118 cat-tikvah

This is the first time in my life that I’ve considered owning a gun, and I HATE guns. Trump is unleashing Pandora’s box of racists, xenophobes and Jew-haters, and I assume many of them are armed.

re: #224 majii

After an intruder incident just yesterday we are doing a top to bottom look at how to stay safest. Looking at a lot of things that are new enough I did not have them on our last major review. Like the Nest camera, internet of things devices for home and in the vehicle. I’m very unimpressed with big brand home monitoring etc. For the cost it’s not very good.

I did find a gap in my training or understanding about having a gun and the police coming as needed-How one would hypothetically stay safest as the cops roll up if you are trapped at home with an intruder in another room, or if you are holding the guy at gunpoint in your home.

But what I’m really after now is how not to be surprised at home like that again as certainly as practical. Well okay maybe right now I’m game for a little bit impractical.

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Nyet  May 20, 2016 • 3:56:36pm

Another thing that bothers me is the cultish aspect of the whole Bernie movement.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 3:57:08pm

re: #240 Nyet

Another thing that bothers me is the cultish aspect of the whole Bernie movement.

That thing about the bird really weirded me out. I mean it was a cute moment but to read it as anything other than that.

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SoundGuy 2016  May 20, 2016 • 3:57:40pm

Paulians, TeaBaggers, BernieBots.

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Great White Snark  May 20, 2016 • 3:57:48pm

re: #240 Nyet

Another thing that bothers me is the cultish aspect of the whole Bernie movement.

Smells like stale rotten Occupy to me.

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Decatur Deb  May 20, 2016 • 3:58:17pm

re: #241 HappyWarrior

That thing about the bird really weirded me out. I mean it was a cute moment but to read it as anything other than that.

Do not mock the messengers of the High Sparrow.

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goddamnedfrank  May 20, 2016 • 3:59:30pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 20, 2016 • 3:59:40pm

re: #239 Great White Snark

You might check to see what local monitoring companies exist. That’s what we did and have.

mr. klys has worked computer security and is very anti-Internet of Things stuff. In most cases, very little if any thought has been given to securing them from outside access. Just an FYI.

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lawhawk  May 20, 2016 • 4:00:14pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

Then don’t attempt to influence who that party nominates for office then Shaun if you’re going to quit and urge people to quit the Democratic Party. Oh wait? You want it both ways. You want to be able to tell the Democratic Party what to do but you don’t want to actually be a member? That’s called being a dick.

Well, that shows some serious dedication to the Democratic party. Ignore rules that have been in place for decades because your candidate who has only been a member of the party for all of 2 minutes, and then complain that your candidate didn’t get a fair deal even though his opponent played by the same rules he did.

Oh, yeah. That’ll win over Democrats alright.

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goddamnedfrank  May 20, 2016 • 4:00:38pm

re: #242 SoundGuy 2016

Paulians, TeaBaggers, BernieBots.

Herbalife.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 20, 2016 • 4:01:11pm

re: #245 goddamnedfrank

Because electing Donald Trump is somehow going to stop the killings in the Middle East? The mind just boggles.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 4:01:18pm

re: #244 Decatur Deb

Do not mock the messengers of the High Sparrow.

Ha.

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SoundGuy 2016  May 20, 2016 • 4:02:19pm

re: #248 goddamnedfrank

Herbalife.

Essential Oils.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 4:03:21pm

I like this delusion that Sanders isn’t going to have a FP that won’t result in some deaths in the ME and that Clinton is a total war hungry beast. That’s not to say I deny Clnton is more hawkish than Sanders, it’s that Sanders isn’t a total dove either.

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EPR-radar  May 20, 2016 • 4:04:35pm

re: #249 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Because electing Donald Trump is somehow going to stop the killings in the Middle East? The mind just boggles.

Any supposed progressive that stands aside in November and doesn’t vote for Clinton over Trump is thereby giving 1/2 a vote to ambulatory garbage (i.e., Trump).

There’s no way to wash off that stink.

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majii  May 20, 2016 • 4:04:40pm

re: #247 lawhawk

What they’re trying to do is comparable to inviting someone to your home for dinner and having that person try to take over your home. Many of the Berniebots shouldn’t have anything to say about GOP/TPers because to me, they appear to be brothers and sisters in arms when I look at the tactics they use to try to impose their will on the rest of us.

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Targetpractice  May 20, 2016 • 4:04:57pm

re: #222 The Vicious Babushka

Oh look A Idiot in my mentions

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Ask the fool if Bernie is still “leading” by as much as he was even a month ago. The answer is no, he’s lost ground to Trump because Trump is no longer running for the nomination but has secured it and has begun consolidating his hold on the party. What once was a double digit lead over Trump has fallen into the single digits.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 4:06:12pm

Bernie peaked after New Hampshire. He’s been playing catch up since Hillary beat him in SC. And as much as he loves to dismiss SC as a state that’s not going Democratic in the GE anyhow, he sure as hell spent a lot of money and time in SC.

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Targetpractice  May 20, 2016 • 4:06:32pm

re: #253 EPR-radar

Any supposed progressive that stands aside in November and doesn’t vote for Clinton over Trump is thereby giving 1/2 a vote to ambulatory garbage (i.e., Trump).

There’s no way to wash off that stink.

To quote the philosopher Lee, “if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.”

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EPR-radar  May 20, 2016 • 4:07:10pm

re: #252 HappyWarrior

I like this delusion that Sanders isn’t going to have a FP that won’t result in some deaths in the ME and that Clinton is a total war hungry beast. That’s not to say I deny Clnton is more hawkish than Sanders, it’s that Sanders isn’t a total dove either.

Trump’s foreign policy most likely includes the possibility of the US starting a nuclear war because he, Trump, has a bad hair day.

The FP differences between Clinton and Sanders are completely insignificant by comparison.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 4:08:03pm

Now they’re upset for Clinton for saying she will be the nominee. Yeah how dare she. I mean I am sorry. Yeah I know she hasn’t clinched but she needs 100 delegates and it would take an epic disaster of epic proportions to cause her to lose. Call it hubris. I call it someone who is aware that they’re in the final stages of clinching the nomination. Do they really think Bernie wouldn’t talk the same way if he were in that situation but I get it Bernie can do no wrong because Bernie’s never been wrong on anything ever.

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majii  May 20, 2016 • 4:08:08pm

re: #252 HappyWarrior

No d*mn body who is in a position to do something about our citizens dying in our streets every frigging day but won’t can claim to be a peacenik/dove. We have a serious gun problem in this country that needs to be addressed, and I have doubts about Sanders’ willingness to oppose the NRA.

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No Country For Old Haters  May 20, 2016 • 4:08:50pm

re: #260 majii

No d*mn body who is in a position to do something about our citizens dying in our streets every frigging day but won’t can claim to be a peacenik/dove. We have a serious gun problem in this country that needs to be addressed, and I have doubts about Sanders’ willingness to oppose the NRA.

I’m sure he won’t. He’s gun-friendly.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 20, 2016 • 4:09:08pm
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Nyet  May 20, 2016 • 4:09:24pm

re: #252 HappyWarrior

Sometimes people die when you do, sometimes when you don’t.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 4:09:55pm

re: #260 majii

No d*mn body who is in a position to do something about our citizens dying in our streets every frigging day but won’t can claim to be a peacenik/dove. We have a serious gun problem in this country that needs to be addressed, and I have doubts about Sanders’ willingness to oppose the NRA.

I’ve said it but Bernie’s a goddamn chicken when it comes to the NRA. Loves to talk a good game on businesses taking responsibility except when it’s the firearm one. That to me is a big strike against him.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 4:12:27pm

re: #261 No Country For Old Haters

I’m sure he won’t. He’s gun-friendly.

He’s one of these types that think guns exist in a vacuum that just because there’s few acts of violence committed with guns in Vermont that means gun laws shouldn’t be strict. I mean it’s not like someone can drive up to Vermont and buy guns due to their lax gun laws. Oh wait, they totally can. I see gun types harp on the fact that D.C still has tons of gun violence despite having strict gun laws and it’s like uh hello gun nuts, look across the river and you’ll see Virginia, a state with very lax gun laws. If Clinton was the one with a weak record on standing up on guns, she would get shit but because St. Bernie of Sanders is the one, lots of quiet hush from his legions.

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Decatur Deb  May 20, 2016 • 4:12:53pm

re: #257 Targetpractice

To quote the philosopher Lee, “if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.”

Bruce?
Christopher?
Robert E.?
Pinky?

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Nyet  May 20, 2016 • 4:14:07pm

The Rwandan genocide was made possible by non-intervention.

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goddamnedfrank  May 20, 2016 • 4:14:08pm

oh.my.Gawd!

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 4:16:40pm

re: #268 goddamnedfrank

oh.my.Gawd!

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What an asshole.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 20, 2016 • 4:17:18pm

re: #115 cat-tikvah

God I hope you’re right. I don’t have faith in him to do that.

Its not faith; rather endorsing Hillary and defeating Trump is in Sanders own best interest.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 20, 2016 • 4:17:21pm

See the face of American fascism: Decoding sheriff Joe Arpaio’s anti-bestiality video

Arpaio is seeking reelection, and his self-publicising mission is as brazen as that of his spiritual comrade Donald Trump. Not only did Arpaio endorse Trump in the Arizona primary but there is even speculation that he might become Trump’s running mate in a “nightmare ticket”. Arpaio himself has reflected on their similarity : “He’s somewhat like me. Or I’m like him. I don’t know which way it goes.”

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 4:18:37pm

re: #271 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

See the face of American fascism: Decoding sheriff Joe Arpaio’s anti-bestiality video

I’d pay good money to see Julian Castro expose Joe Arpaio for the racist shithead he is on national television.

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Nyet  May 20, 2016 • 4:20:55pm

re: #268 goddamnedfrank

“My burger was underdone. I feel like I’ve just been lynched.”

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Big Beautiful Door  May 20, 2016 • 4:21:56pm

re: #271 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

See the face of American fascism: Decoding sheriff Joe Arpaio’s anti-bestiality video

That would almost be as wonderful a pick for VP as Sarah!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 20, 2016 • 4:22:11pm
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goddamnedfrank  May 20, 2016 • 4:23:25pm

re: #267 Nyet

The Rwandan genocide was made possible by non-intervention.

I remember reading an after analysis that posited it might have been prevented if we’d simply budgeted $8K an hour for radio jamming flights. RTLMC was famously pushing out propaganda calling Tutsi’s cockroaches and urging their extermination, the argument goes that a simple show of force on our part from the air demonstrating we wouldn’t allow that kind of incitement to go unchallenged could have gone a long way.

I’m not sure I’m exactly that sanguine but it does help illustrate that there’s an entire spectrum of intervention and the alternative to going all in doesn’t have to be doing nothing.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 4:25:24pm

re: #267 Nyet

The Rwandan genocide was made possible by non-intervention.

Right and that’s why I don’t agree with the far left’s FP. Their approach is the opposite of the right’s on FP. Both are dangerous.

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thedopefishlives  May 20, 2016 • 4:26:59pm

re: #277 HappyWarrior

Right and that’s why I don’t agree with the far left’s FP. Their approach is the opposite of the right’s on FP. Both are dangerous.

Silly centrist.///

Evening Lizardim.

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majii  May 20, 2016 • 4:28:31pm

re: #268 goddamnedfrank

His *ss wasn’t sitting in the back of buses like I was in the 1950s, and he wasn’t relegated to “separate but unequal facilities,” facilities that my parents as homeowners paid taxes to maintain. Hell, if not being able to take over the Democratic Convention in Nevada is all that it took for him to feel like a member of a minority group in the 1950s, the dude doesn’t know how lucky he is. He wouldn’t have lasted very long if he’d been treated like a 2nd Class Citizen in a country he loved in the 1950s.

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EPR-radar  May 20, 2016 • 4:31:56pm

re: #268 goddamnedfrank

OK. I’m finally convinced that the left/right convergence of derp at the extremes is real.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 20, 2016 • 4:32:06pm

Oklahoma Governor Mary Fallin vetoed the bill to make performing an abortion a felony. I’m thinking she has an eye on Trump’s VP slot.

washingtonpost.com

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 4:32:15pm

It’s just amazing to see how they turn on anyone including some legitimate progressive icons like Senator Boxer, Former Rep Frank, Dolores Huerta, Rep John Lewis, all because they dared to stand with Clinton over Bernie. You know what? I hope they fail big time. They don’t deserve the party that they have little use for anyhow.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2016 • 4:32:19pm

re: #228 The Vicious Babushka

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majii  May 20, 2016 • 4:34:09pm

re: #271 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I can only hope that citizens in Maricopa County reject him like the voters rejected the pro-Bundy supporters who were running for office in Harney County. Although the Bundy-ites thought most of the county’s citizens supported them, they discovered otherwise earlier this week when they were rejected at the ballot box. The citizens of Maricopa County have spent $40 million paying for Arpaio’s BS, and he remains defiant. It really is time for the citizens to force him into retirement.

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Decatur Deb  May 20, 2016 • 4:34:22pm

re: #276 goddamnedfrank

I remember reading an after analysis that posited it might have been prevented if we’d simply budgeted $8K an hour for radio jamming flights. RTLMC was famously pushing out propaganda calling Tutsi’s cockroaches and urging their extermination, the argument goes that a simple show of force on our part from the air demonstrating we wouldn’t allow that kind of incitement to go unchallenged could have gone a long way.

I’m not sure I’m exactly that sanguine but it does help illustrate that there’s an entire spectrum of intervention and the alternative to going all in doesn’t have to be doing nothing.

en.wikipedia.org

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The Vicious Babushka  May 20, 2016 • 4:35:01pm

re: #283 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m sure President Dukakis would love to discuss the predictive value of polls taken in May.

He can discuss it with President Romney.

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majii  May 20, 2016 • 4:35:08pm

re: #282 HappyWarrior

They’re more like the GOP/TPers than they’re willing to admit.

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steve_davis  May 20, 2016 • 4:35:35pm

Say it ain’t so, Bern, please, say it ain’t so. I”m sure they’re telling us lies, Bern, and they’re ruining our show.”

Chorus: “We’re gonna bet Berned. We’re gonna get Berned. And we’re gonna get tuuuurned.”

Murray Head had this pegged 40 years ago.

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Romantic Heretic  May 20, 2016 • 4:36:38pm

re: #172 bratwurst

Another Auton endorses Trump!

My first thought because the woman, whom I have never heard of before now, is obviously made out of plastic.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 4:38:10pm

re: #287 majii

They’re more like the GOP/TPers than they’re willing to admit.

They really are. It’s the purity uber alles bullshit and the general sense of entitlement and the refusal to consider that there are other people other than themselves. I consider myself pretty far left but I also consider myself someone who values inclusion. Inclusion isn’t in the BB directory. If you don’t think Bernie is the best thing since sliced bread and a bird divinely blessed his campaign, you’re a sellout who shouldn’t have a voice. I mean Bernie couldn’t even bother to campaign for candidates who endorsed him. That’s how selfish he is. He does the usual talk about how it’s not about him but his actions show it’s clearly about Bernie and it’s always about Bernie. Bernie would rather present an image of himself as the lone progressive voice in the wild than actually have to acknowledge other people because that would mean admitting that he’s not the lone voice and Bernie’s fragile ego can’t stand to share a stage with other people.

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SoundGuy 2016  May 20, 2016 • 4:38:35pm

I had to let two cousins go today. It got to be drama. One emailed me grumbling about how I gave him a raise then let him go for no reason (even though we was on a Performance Improvement Plan).

The other guy’s father called us asking why why why, freaking my wife out. I got on the phone and said a few times that he needs to ask his son, we are not discussing private issues with him. He would not let up: I said the phone call is going to end. He then said he was going to come down to discuss: I said he would be trespassing and the police would be called.

WTF is wrong with people? Needless to say.. they will not be getting a strong referral.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 20, 2016 • 4:38:36pm

re: #284 majii

I can only hope that citizens in Maricopa County reject him like the voters rejected the pro-Bundy supporters who were running for office in Harney County. Although the Bundy-ites thought most of the county’s citizens supported them, they discovered otherwise earlier this week when they were rejected at the ballot box. The citizens of Maricopa County have spent $40 million paying for Arpaio’s BS, and he remains defiant. It really is time for the citizens to force him into retirement.

Harney County had a record (78%?) turnout, too. Maybe there really is a Silent Majority™ that’ll come out in November to hand tRump his hat toupée. I can dream, can’t I?

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 4:38:52pm

re: #289 Romantic Heretic

Another Auton endorses Trump!

My first thought because the woman, whom I have never heard of before now, is obviously made out of plastic.

She was in the aptly named Clueless I believe.

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SoundGuy 2016  May 20, 2016 • 4:39:53pm

No, they weren’t Bernie Bots.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2016 • 4:40:45pm

re: #267 Nyet

The Rwandan genocide was made possible by non-intervention.

Yep. That was something I commented on last week. Bad shit happens even without the US causing it. What responsibility do we have to the rest of mankind? Humanitarian aid is great, but there are people out there with armies and weapons, killing innocent people by the thousands, and all the humanitarian aid in the world won’t save them. Pacifism is a wonderful dream, but it doesn’t stop the killing, any more than abstinence only prevents pregnancy.

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Skip Intro  May 20, 2016 • 4:41:42pm

re: #284 majii

My understanding is that Maricopa County is filled with old white people just like him, so the only way Joe will be leaving will be in a hearse.

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goddamnedfrank  May 20, 2016 • 4:42:02pm

In case you’ve missed it Demos parted ways with Matt Bruenig today over his refusal to stop attacking women and minorities viciously on Twitter. They gave him an opportunity to stop the behavior and he chose to leave instead.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 20, 2016 • 4:43:19pm

re: #297 goddamnedfrank

In case you’ve missed it Demos parted ways with Matt Bruenig today over his refusal to stop attacking women and minorities viciously on Twitter. They gave him an opportunity to stop the behavior and he chose to leave instead.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 4:43:34pm

re: #297 goddamnedfrank

In case you’ve missed it Demos parted ways with Matt Bruenig today over his refusal to stop attacking women and minorities viciously on Twitter. They gave him an opportunity to stop the behavior and he chose to leave instead.

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I don’t want to hear from a Putin apologizing asshole like Glenn Greeenwald what it means to be a good progressive and liberal.

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majii  May 20, 2016 • 4:43:52pm

re: #293 HappyWarrior

For all of the standing and grinning Trump is doing with Dash in that pic, it will not help him win the votes of the majority of Black Americans, but he and his supporters are free to think it will make a difference the same way they thought we’d flock out and embrace Sleepy Ben with open arms. It’s not about race, it’s about the policies politicians support. This seems to be the hardest lesson for GOP/TPers to learn..

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Big Beautiful Door  May 20, 2016 • 4:44:15pm

re: #295 Blind Frog Belly White

Yep. That was something I commented on last week. Bad shit happens even without the US causing it. What responsibility do we have to the rest of mankind? Humanitarian aid is great, but there are people out there with armies and weapons, killing innocent people by the thousands, and all the humanitarian aid in the world won’t save them. Pacifism is a wonderful dream, but it doesn’t stop the killing, any more than abstinence only prevents pregnancy.

I appreciate your take, but sometimes killing by the US to stop killing just leads to more killing. We haven’t had a lot of successful military interventions since WWII, but we have had disastrous ones.

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thedopefishlives  May 20, 2016 • 4:44:26pm

re: #299 HappyWarrior

I don’t want to hear from a Putin apologizing asshole like Glenn Greeenwald what it means to be a good progressive and liberal.

But he is The Librul! The purest progressive to ever walk the face of the earth! ALL HAIL HYPNOWALD!!!

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Decatur Deb  May 20, 2016 • 4:45:36pm

re: #300 majii

For all of the standing and grinning Trump is doing with Dash in that pic, it will not help him win the votes of the majority of Black Americans, but he and his supporters are free to think it will make a difference the same way they thought we’d flock out and embrace Sleepy Ben with open arms. It’s not about race, it’s about the policies politicians support. This seems to be the hardest lesson for GOP/TPers to learn..

It would so work, if y’all would just do your part and live up to his stereotype.

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SoundGuy 2016  May 20, 2016 • 4:46:12pm

Greenwald supporting a troll. My surprise.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2016 • 4:46:14pm

re: #286 The Vicious Babushka

He can discuss it with President Romney.

Yeah, although in the case of Dukakis, around about May he opened up a lead that was anywhere from 6-17 percent, and he ended up losing by over 7.5%, and 315 votes in the EC. That was especially heartbreaking.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 4:46:36pm

re: #300 majii

For all of the standing and grinning Trump is doing with Dash in that pic, it will not help him win the votes of the majority of Black Americans, but he and his supporters are free to think it will make a difference the same way they thought we’d flock out and embrace Sleepy Ben with open arms. It’s not about race, it’s about the policies politicians support. This seems to be the hardest lesson for GOP/TPers to learn..

I think many on both far left/far right think African-Americans vote just because of race. If that were the case, Donna Edwards would be the nominee for Senate today and Kwiesi Mfume would be the Senior Senator from Maryland. I see a lot of insulting of African-American voters intelligence this primary and I don’t like it. Sad to say, I used to think that only the right did it but what I’ve seen from the left indicates that parts of the left aren’t any better.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 20, 2016 • 4:47:12pm

re: #301 Big Beautiful Door

I appreciate your take, but sometimes killing by the US to stop killing just leads to more killing. We haven’t had a lot of successful military interventions since WWII, but we have had disastrous ones.

Traditionally, it’s been up to the former colonial power to deal with situations like that (Britain in Kenya, France in Chad, etc.) So where was Belgium?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 20, 2016 • 4:47:37pm

Like, there’s a reason I don’t talk about politics online outside of a few spaces where the community is such that you can have a real discussion. And there’s absolutely a reason I don’t talk politics on Twitter.

The assholes are a big part of those reasons.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 4:47:40pm

re: #305 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, although in the case of Dukakis, around about May he opened up a lead that was anywhere from 6-17 percent, and he ended up losing by over 7.5%, and 315 votes in the EC. That was especially heartbreaking.

Makes ya wonder how things would be if he had won. I don’t hate HW Bush but man the Willie Horton ad was awful. I hope he regrets doing that and hiring Atwater.

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majii  May 20, 2016 • 4:49:09pm

re: #297 goddamnedfrank

Dude must be a g-d loser if he hasn’t saved any money and on Day 1 after losing a job has to start a gofundme page. Expecting a baby is no reason for others to put up with his misogyny and racism. He should have thought of the impact his outrageous opinions could have had on his ability to provide for his family before he engaged in that kind of behavior. Its what responsible adults tend to do. After my divorce when my kid was five, I never did anything on my job that would have caused me to not be able to provide for her.

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Barefoot Grin  May 20, 2016 • 4:49:41pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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“Piss off” is a distinctly British idiom, so the confusion is understandable.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 4:50:29pm

re: #302 thedopefishlives

But he is The Librul! The purest progressive to ever walk the face of the earth! ALL HAIL HYPNOWALD!!!

He’s such a tool. Really why should I let my progressive and liberalism be questioned by a guy who sucks up to Rand Paul, a homophobic gun thumping asshole who doesn’t believe in federally protected Civil Rights. Glenn hides out in Brazil not because of fear but because if he lived in the U.S, he’d actually have to been held a little accountable rather than being the passive aggressive little dick that he is.

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EPR-radar  May 20, 2016 • 4:50:44pm

re: #307 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Traditionally, it’s been up to the former colonial power to deal with situations like that (Britain in Kenya, France in Chad, etc.) So where was Belgium?

Belgium was rotten, even for a colonial power. For example, one Belgian king had the fine idea of chopping off the hands of insufficiently productive African workers.

I can’t imagine anyone in that part of Africa wanting Belgium to do anything.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 20, 2016 • 4:50:58pm

re: #309 HappyWarrior

Makes ya wonder how things would be if he had won. I don’t hate HW Bush but man the Willie Horton ad was awful. I hope he regrets doing that and hiring Atwater.

Joe Biden was my man in ‘88 till he was forced out by that “plagiarism” bullshit. I think he could have won. At least he wouldn’t have frozen like a deer in the headlights under the Atwater assault.

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majii  May 20, 2016 • 4:51:08pm

re: #303 Decatur Deb

No, thanks. Most of us know a monster when we see one, and Trump is a monster. Although his supporters don’t seem to know it, Trump’s best friend is Trump.

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goddamnedfrank  May 20, 2016 • 4:51:18pm

re: #305 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, although in the case of Dukakis, around about May he opened up a lead that was anywhere from 6-17 percent, and he ended up losing by over 7.5%, and 315 votes in the EC. That was especially heartbreaking.

Electoral demographics have changed a great deal since 1988.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 4:52:00pm

re: #313 EPR-radar

Belgium was rotten, even for a colonial power. For example, one Belgian king had the fine idea of chopping off the hands of insufficiently productive African workers.

I can’t imagine anyone in that part of Africa wanting Belgium to do anything.

There was that book about King Leopold that I think won some prizes. I need to read more about African history. Never got around to it in my undergrad days. Taking a Latin American history class gave me a good understanding of why we’re not exactly beloved in that region.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 4:52:49pm

re: #314 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Joe Biden was my man in ‘88 till he was forced out by that “plagiarism” bullshit. I think he could have won. At least he wouldn’t have frozen like a deer in the headlights under the Atwater assault.

I think he handles that question about the death penalty better too. I really do like Joe Biden. I’m still bummed he’s not running.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 20, 2016 • 4:52:52pm

re: #313 EPR-radar

Belgium was rotten, even for a colonial power. For example, one Belgian king had the fine idea of chopping off the hands of insufficiently productive African workers.

I can’t imagine anyone in that part of Africa wanting Belgium to do anything.

I know. You’ve got to go some to beat Spain for the title of “Worst Colonial Power”!

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Big Beautiful Door  May 20, 2016 • 4:52:57pm

re: #307 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Traditionally, it’s been up to the former colonial power to deal with situations like that (Britain in Kenya, France in Chad, etc.) So where was Belgium?

I know nothing about Belgium’s military capability.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2016 • 4:54:13pm

re: #301 Big Beautiful Door

I appreciate your take, but sometimes killing by the US to stop killing just leads to more killing. We haven’t had a lot of successful military interventions since WWII, but we have had disastrous ones.

To be clear, my point was actually that there’s no clear, absolute answer.

Intervene everywhere and you end up with Vietnam, or Iraq. Intervene nowhere and you end up with Rwanda, or Syria. Intervene? There’s blood on your hands. Don’t intervene, and your hands aren’t necessarily cleaner.

There’s also the leftover damage from previous interventions dating back to the Cold War. At the time, of course, we were (or thought we were) in an existential struggle with an ideology that threatened to cover the world in a totalitarian nightmare. It all made perfect sense.

And here we are, decades later, with the victims of the policies we undertook then understandably unwilling to trust our declarations of good intent, especially when we do shit like Iraq.

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goddamnedfrank  May 20, 2016 • 4:54:24pm

*rolls eyes*

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 4:54:37pm

re: #319 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I know. You’ve got to go some to beat Spain for the title of “Worst Colonial Power”!

Germany was pretty bad. A lot of people don’t know it but Herman Goering’s father was responsible for some terrible shit in Africa. I think he was a military governor or something like that. In any case, colonialism is a nasty legacy.

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thedopefishlives  May 20, 2016 • 4:55:30pm

re: #323 HappyWarrior

Germany was pretty bad. A lot of people don’t know it but Herman Goering’s father was responsible for some terrible shit in Africa. I think he was a military governor or something like that. In any case, colonialism is a nasty legacy.

Yeah, colonialism and imperialism have left a pretty ugly mark on the Third World. It’s amazing that the major powers have the goodwill that they do after such a relatively short time.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 20, 2016 • 4:55:40pm

re: #321 Blind Frog Belly White

To be clear, my point was actually that there’s no clear, absolute answer.

Intervene everywhere and you end up with Vietnam, or Iraq. Intervene nowhere and you end up with Rwanda, or Syria. Intervene? There’s blood on your hands. Don’t intervene, and your hands aren’t necessarily cleaner.

There’s also the leftover damage from previous interventions dating back to the Cold War. At the time, of course, we were (or thought we were) in an existential struggle with an ideology that threatened to cover the world in a totalitarian nightmare. It all made perfect sense.

And here we are, decades later, with the victims of the policies we undertook then understandably unwilling to trust our declarations of good intent, especially when we do shit like Iraq.

Is it any wonder that Russian paranoia about our intentions exists for Putin to exploit?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 20, 2016 • 4:56:31pm

re: #321 Blind Frog Belly White

To be clear, my point was actually that there’s no clear, absolute answer.

Intervene everywhere and you end up with Vietnam, or Iraq. Intervene nowhere and you end up with Rwanda, or Syria. Intervene? There’s blood on your hands. Don’t intervene, and your hands aren’t necessarily cleaner.

There’s also the leftover damage from previous interventions dating back to the Cold War. At the time, of course, we were (or thought we were) in an existential struggle with an ideology that threatened to cover the world in a totalitarian nightmare. It all made perfect sense.

And here we are, decades later, with the victims of the policies we undertook then understandably unwilling to trust our declarations of good intent, especially when we do shit like Iraq.

Remember when the Republican lawmakers were doing everything but throw themselves in front of the planes to prevent Bill Clinton from helping the Kosovar Albanians? Good times….

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EPR-radar  May 20, 2016 • 4:57:10pm

re: #317 HappyWarrior

There was that book about King Leopold that I think won some prizes. I need to read more about African history. Never got around to it in my undergrad days. Taking a Latin American history class gave me a good understanding of why we’re not exactly beloved in that region.

It didn’t take long for the Monroe doctrine to morph from protecting self-determination of Latin America vs. potential European colonial overlords (the grade school history version of the story) to the US getting into the colonial racket via private proxies.

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majii  May 20, 2016 • 4:59:01pm

re: #322 goddamnedfrank

Delusion ain’t the word for the diehard Berniebots if they think Bernie will win CA. All indications are that he won’t, and even if he does, he won’t have enough delegates to catch up to HRC. What is wrong with these people? I know math is hard for some persons, but d*mn!

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 4:59:03pm

re: #324 thedopefishlives

Yeah, colonialism and imperialism have left a pretty ugly mark on the Third World. It’s amazing that the major powers have the goodwill that they do after such a relatively short time.

It really is.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 20, 2016 • 4:59:19pm

re: #326 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Which is funny in retrospect, considering how die-hard pro-American the Albanians are. Speaking of which, Russia, is having a little tantrum.

The Kremlin condemns NATO’s membership invitation to Montenegro, warning the step risks fueling geopolitical tensions in Europe.

But, Russia is in trouble today. Why? Well…

Georgia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs expresses “shock and deep concern” after a Georgian citizen, 31-year-old Giga Otkhozoria, was shot dead by Russian Armed Forces troops patrolling areas near the administrative boundary with Abkhazia.

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EPR-radar  May 20, 2016 • 4:59:37pm

re: #324 thedopefishlives

Yeah, colonialism and imperialism have left a pretty ugly mark on the Third World. It’s amazing that the major powers have the goodwill that they do after such a relatively short time.

RWNJs think being anti-colonial is some kind of horrible thing, because they just have to find a way to be 100% wrong on every issue.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 4:59:47pm

re: #327 EPR-radar

It didn’t take long for the Monroe doctrine to morph from protecting self-determination of Latin America vs. potential European colonial overlords (the grade school history version of the story) to the US getting into the colonial racket via private proxies.

United Fruit in Guatemala. Our tale is an interesting one. We went from being the colonized to the colonizer.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2016 • 4:59:49pm

re: #325 Big Beautiful Door

Is it any wonder that Russian paranoia about our intentions exists for Putin to exploit?

Well, there’s also the fact that the USSR endured far more horrific suffering during WWII than any of Western Europe, with a greater percentage of the population killed than anyone else.

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thedopefishlives  May 20, 2016 • 5:00:03pm

re: #329 HappyWarrior

It really is.

Hell, I’m surprised sometimes that any Spanish-speaking country south of the border even talks to us anymore. Like you said, we fucked up Latin America but good.

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Barefoot Grin  May 20, 2016 • 5:00:04pm

re: #187 HappyWarrior

I still think he would have made a good president.

Harry Shearer on his radio program “le show” did a funny bit about trying to train Kerry for his debates by using electric-shock aversion every time he got long winded. The punchline: bzz, bzz, bzz, it didn’t work.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 5:01:15pm

re: #331 EPR-radar

RWNJs think being anti-colonial is some kind of horrible thing, because they just have to find a way to be 100% wrong on every issue.

I still love, “historian” Newt Gingrich denigrating Obama for being Anti-Colonial as if that was such a terrible thing. Hell yeah I’m anti colonial. In fact, I hope like hell that my ancestors that lived in countries that were controlled by colonial powers resisted.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2016 • 5:01:18pm

re: #331 EPR-radar

RWNJs think being anti-colonial is some kind of horrible thing, because they just have to find a way to be 100% wrong on every issue.

How dare those savages revolt after all we did for them!

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Bubblehead II  May 20, 2016 • 5:01:43pm

re: #281 Big Beautiful Door

Oklahoma Governor Mary Fallin vetoed the bill to make performing an abortion a felony. I’m thinking she has an eye on Trump’s VP slot.

washingtonpost.com

Bull. She saw that defending (and the eventual, defeat) of the law as waste of tax payer monies and cut her losses. She will defend her veto along these lines while saying she agrees with it. The only question now, is will legislator override her veto and will the OK A.G pursue it?

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thedopefishlives  May 20, 2016 • 5:02:03pm

re: #337 Blind Frog Belly White

How dare those savages revolt after all we did for them!

*cough*

TO them. All we did TO them.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 5:03:07pm

re: #334 thedopefishlives

Hell, I’m surprised sometimes that any Spanish-speaking country south of the border even talks to us anymore. Like you said, we fucked up Latin America but good.

Yeah we have a good relationship with Mexico which is amazing considering what happened. Obama was in Argentina recently. He got some boos. A lot of people there are rightfully still upset at our government’s support of the military junta there that killed alot of people. Not to ramble because Lizardom knows how I feel about Reagan but I feel the Reagan WH showed what a bunch of hypocrites they are were to call the USSR evil while turning a blind eye to authoritarian regimes in our backyard simply because they were anti-communist.

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Barefoot Grin  May 20, 2016 • 5:03:07pm

re: #317 HappyWarrior

There was that book about King Leopold that I think won some prizes. I need to read more about African history. Never got around to it in my undergrad days. Taking a Latin American history class gave me a good understanding of why we’re not exactly beloved in that region.

Adam Hochschild’s King Leopold’s Ghost, probably. It is a good book.

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EPR-radar  May 20, 2016 • 5:03:28pm

re: #337 Blind Frog Belly White

How dare those savages revolt after all we did for them!

Won’t someone have some pity for right wing nut jobs? Still carrying the white man’s burden after all these years…

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 5:04:52pm

re: #335 Barefoot Grin

Harry Shearer on his radio program “le show” did a funny bit about trying to train Kerry for his debates by using electric-shock aversion every time he got long winded. The punchline: bzz, bzz, bzz, it didn’t work.

Gotta give Harry credit for trying. Kerry’s a good man but I concede not what Americans look for in a President. It’s too bad because I think if more Americans really knew about his war service, they’d see one of the most honorable men ever to wear the uniform and run for President. Everyone saw te Swift Boat ads but few listened to the men who actually served with Kerry and the man whose life Kerry saved.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 5:05:07pm

re: #341 Barefoot Grin

Adam Hochschild’s King Leopold’s Ghost, probably. It is a good book.

Yes, that was the one, thanks.

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Barefoot Grin  May 20, 2016 • 5:06:37pm

re: #343 HappyWarrior

Gotta give Harry credit for trying. Kerry’s a good man but I concede not what Americans look for in a President. It’s too bad because I think if more Americans really knew about his war service, they’d see one of the most honorable men ever to wear the uniform and run for President. Everyone saw te Swift Boat ads but few listened to the men who actually served with Kerry and the man whose life Kerry saved.

The swift-boating and purple band-aids bullshit put me in a dark place for awhile.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 20, 2016 • 5:09:03pm

re: #330 Ziggy_TARDIS

Which is funny in retrospect, considering how die-hard pro-American the Albanians are. Speaking of which, Russia, is having a little tantrum.

But, Russia is in trouble today. Why? Well…

I thought Serbia and Montenegro were still joined in a rump “Yugoslav Republic”. When did they break up?

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 5:10:48pm

re: #345 Barefoot Grin

The swift-boating and purple band-aids bullshit put me in a dark place for awhile.

I know. Mocking his Purple Hearts as they did at the convention that year was horrible. You never saw the DNC mock McCain’s military service and experience as a POW. In fact, both Obama and Biden i think went out of their way to be respectful. And although, I don’t remember it that well, Dole got his earned respect in 1996 too. Republicans are all for veterans until those veterans disagree with them I guess and that’s what we saw with Kerry.

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The Mountain That Blogs  May 20, 2016 • 5:11:27pm

re: #346 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

2006

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 5:13:19pm

re: #346 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I thought Serbia and Montenegro were still joined in a rump “Yugoslav Republic”. When did they break up?

No, Montenegro is independent of Serbia now.
Serbia, Montenegro, Kosovo, Croatia, Macedonia, Slovenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina. Man has the place changed a lot since my great grandparents left 100 years ago and change.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 20, 2016 • 5:13:46pm

re: #348 The Mountain That Blogs

2006

Thanks. Have I said “Fuck Serbia” yet today? Fuck Serbia.

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Stanley Sea  May 20, 2016 • 5:21:16pm

The Chewbacca lady is trending on twitter.

LOL, it was that good.

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Bubblehead II  May 20, 2016 • 5:21:28pm

Now entering the lurk mode. Sleep well lizards.

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Jay C  May 20, 2016 • 5:22:30pm

re: #347 HappyWarrior

I know. Mocking his Purple Hearts as they did at the convention that year was horrible. You never saw the DNC mock McCain’s military service and experience as a POW. In fact, both Obama and Biden i think went out of their way to be respectful. And although, I don’t remember it that well, Dole got his earned respect in 1996 too. Republicans are all for veterans until those veterans disagree with them I guess and that’s what we saw with Kerry.

I’ve always seen the 2004 election as the (mercifully/hopefully) last gasp of the Vietnam War as a political issue in this country. I think if John Kerry hadn’t got his start in politics as a very visible (post-military-service) anti-war activist, his military record would not have been much, if any, serious campaign issue - still less the cause for the disgraceful mockery we saw republicans gleefully jump on. Unfortunately, there were, I suppose, just too many diehard war-supporters left who just couldn’t stand to give the dirty f*cking hippie antiwar movement (even 40+ years on) even the least semblance of a “victory”. Especially as the GOP that year was running, in large part, on President Bush’s “success” in Iraq…..

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 5:24:30pm

re: #353 Jay C

I’ve always seen the 2004 election as the (mercifully) last gasp of the Vietnam War as a political issue in this country. I think if John Kerry hadn’t got his start in politics as a very visible (post-military-service) anti-war activist, his military record would not have been much, if any, serious campaign issue - still less the cause for the disgraceful mockery we saw republicans gleefully jump on. Unfortunately, there were, I suppose, just too many diehard war-supporters left who just couldn’t stand to give the dirty f*cking hippie antiwar movement (even 40+ years on) even the least semblance of a “victory”. Especially as the GOP that year was running, in large part, on President Bush’s “success” in Iraq…..

Oh yeah it was definitely his time as an anti-Vietnam War activist that made the attacks work. But you’re right. A lot of that campaign was about Bush’s “success” in Iraq.

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Jenner7  May 20, 2016 • 5:24:35pm

After this poll, I’m not worried about Bernie anymore.

With the reports of concessions, I think he’ll get out after California.

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De Kolta Chair  May 20, 2016 • 5:25:17pm

Evening lizards.

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Shiplord Kirel  May 20, 2016 • 5:27:18pm

Sad news, for ’60s children especially:

Alan Young, star of 1960s sitcom ‘Mr. Ed,’ dies at 96

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Actor-comedian Alan Young, who played the amiable straight man to a talking horse in the 1960s sitcom “Mister Ed,” has died, a spokeswoman for the Motion Picture and Television Home said Friday. He was 96.

The English-born, Canadian-educated Young died Thursday, according to Jaime Larkin, spokeswoman for the retirement community where Young had lived for four years. His children were with him when he died peacefully of natural causes, she said.

Mr. Ed - Intro (Opening Theme);

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 20, 2016 • 5:33:41pm
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Decatur Deb  May 20, 2016 • 5:35:08pm

re: #320 Big Beautiful Door

I know nothing about Belgium’s military capability.

Put it this way—my ex-Belgian MOD Landrover radio truck was special-ordered to be a 4x2.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 20, 2016 • 5:36:47pm

re: #357 Shiplord Kirel

Sad news, for ’60s children especially:

Alan Young, star of 1960s sitcom ‘Mr. Ed,’ dies at 96

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;

Being 9-13 at the time, I watched the show for Connie Hines, but he was a really good guy, it seems. I liked him in The Time Machine as well.

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Belafon  May 20, 2016 • 5:40:51pm

re: #334 thedopefishlives

Hell, I’m surprised sometimes that any Spanish-speaking country south of the border even talks to us anymore. Like you said, we fucked up Latin America but good.

Because geopolitics is more like family get togethers. You can’t just stop talking to your brother when there are family issues to deal with.

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Unabogie  May 20, 2016 • 5:43:33pm

Not sure if this was posted yet, but Hillary just declared victory in an email:

Unabogie, because of you, I am going to be the Democratic nominee for President of the United States.

And that means it’s time to steel ourselves for the general election and a race against Donald Trump.

In moments like this, I think about some advice from my mom: Everybody gets knocked down in life. The real test is whether you get back up and keep going.

He’s going to come after us with everything he’s got. I need you with me now more than ever — chip in $75 and let me know you’re by my side:

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2016 • 5:45:11pm

re: #362 Unabogie

Not sure if this was posted yet, but Hillary just declared victory in an email:

I heard about that. A lot of gnashing of teeth over that which amuses me because I think any candidate in the same situation would do the same.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 20, 2016 • 7:14:42pm

re: #338 Bubblehead II

Bull. She saw that defending (and the eventual, defeat) of the law as waste of tax payer monies and cut her losses. She will defend her veto along these lines while saying she agrees with it. The only question now, is will legislator override her veto and will the OK A.G pursue it?

Since when do RWNJ care about wasting taxpayer money? They just blame the “activist judges.” She made a political calculation, perhaps that by vetoing this bill she could help the Trump ticket with women as his VP.

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Eventual Carrion  May 20, 2016 • 8:25:52pm

re: #358 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

PIGMAN LIVES!!

Kansas Anti-Choicers Demand To Know Where Lawmakers Stand On Human-Animal Hybrids

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Manbearpig

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meteor  May 20, 2016 • 11:16:46pm

re: #45 Billy Batts

This motherfucker should have his account deleted forever. This is unbelievable.

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Reported his sorry ass.


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