Video: Trump Denies Advocating Guns in Classrooms, Then Says “Teachers Should Have Guns”

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A classic example of Donald Trump’s relentless double-speak, as he denies he ever advocated having guns in classrooms, then, seconds later, says “teachers should have guns.”

I’ve queued this video to start at the section where the Fox & Friends right wing shills play a clip of Hillary Clinton accurately quoting what Donald Trump said, then sit there and listen approvingly as Trump denies it, then repeats the exact thing he just denied.

Man, these people.

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392 comments

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2016 • 7:37:40pm

Straight talk. //

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The Vicious Babushka  May 22, 2016 • 7:38:44pm

Trump will say any shit that pops into his head to pander to the crowds. Every “speech” he gives is the same carny huckster bullshit. That’s his special talent and believe me, he is very, very terrific at what he does, OK!

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calochortus  May 22, 2016 • 7:40:52pm

Maybe teachers shouldn’t be in classrooms? Let the kids do piecework instead of learning to read. Problem solved.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 22, 2016 • 7:43:58pm

So all the members of the GOP’s most despised profession—teachers—should have guns? That can only work out well for them.

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Kragar  May 22, 2016 • 7:46:48pm

Looking forward to Trump’s “We have always been at war with Eastasia” speech.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2016 • 7:48:57pm

re: #4 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

So all the members of the GOP’s most despised profession—teachers—should have guns? That can only work out well for them.

ARM TEACHERS BUT DON’T GIVE THEM A RAISE!

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jaunte  May 22, 2016 • 7:51:06pm

re: #2 The Vicious Babushka

“You can’t trust a thing I say, believe me.”

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 22, 2016 • 7:53:28pm

The two Corinthian brothers would want teachers to have guns in the classroom.

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Reality Based Steve  May 22, 2016 • 7:58:06pm

re: #5 Kragar

Looking forward to Trump’s “We have always been at war with Eastasia” speech.

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teleskiguy  May 22, 2016 • 7:58:08pm

Compare that map to this one, how each county voted for President in 2008.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 22, 2016 • 7:58:11pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

ARM TEACHERS BUT DON’T GIVE THEM A RAISE!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 22, 2016 • 7:59:30pm

re: #10 teleskiguy

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Compare that map to this one, how each county voted for President in 2008.

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Wow!

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2016 • 8:00:16pm

re: #10 teleskiguy

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Compare that map to this one, how each county voted for President in 2008.

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The Republican Party of today are the ideological heirs of the people who started a civil war over slavery in this country. No questions about it.

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Belafon  May 22, 2016 • 8:01:16pm

re: #10 teleskiguy

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Compare that map to this one, how each county voted for President in 2008.

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Blacks didn’t move much after the Civil War.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 22, 2016 • 8:02:07pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

The Republican Party of today are the ideological heirs of the people who started a civil war over slavery in this country. No questions about it.

Abraham Lincoln would have shot himself in the head if he could have seen that map.

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teleskiguy  May 22, 2016 • 8:02:09pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

The Republican Party of today are the ideological heirs of the people who started a civil war over slavery in this country. No questions about it.

THE DEMOC-RATS ARE TEH REAL RASSISTS! TEHY STARTD THE KKK, LIBTARD!

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calochortus  May 22, 2016 • 8:02:37pm

re: #14 Belafon

Blacks didn’t move much after the Civil War.

Except for the Great Migration.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2016 • 8:05:08pm

re: #16 teleskiguy

THE DEMOC-RATS ARE TEH REAL RASSISTS! TEHY STARTD THE KKK, LIBTARD!

You know what I love? I love how they literally espouse the exact rhetoric of the secessionists include talk of secession itself and then act like the 1860’s Democrats were liberals. Uh no guys, you’re the heirs of the old CSA. You’re the ones who continue to place states rights above the rights of individuals.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 22, 2016 • 8:06:06pm

re: #17 calochortus

Except for the Great Migration.

I watched All The Way last night which focused on the battle to get the Civil Rights Act enacted after Kennedy’s death. During the filibuster, a Southern Senator argued that the South’s black population should be resettled so that they were evenly distributed across the nation, by force if necessary I guess. So much for claiming they opposed the Civil Rights Act on constitutional grounds.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2016 • 8:06:10pm

re: #17 calochortus

Except for the Great Migration.

I think there’s a really good book about that, The Warmth of Other Suns. It’s crazy to think about but my grandmother’s high school in late 1920’s Pittsburgh was more diverse than my father’s here in Northern Va in the early early 60’s.

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worldknot  May 22, 2016 • 8:06:48pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

The Republican Party of today are the ideological heirs of the people who started a civil war over slavery in this country. No questions about it.

True, but that’s not what the map shows.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2016 • 8:07:23pm

re: #19 Big Beautiful Door

I watched All The Way last night which focused on the battle to get the Civil Rights Act enacted after Kennedy’s death. During the filibuster, a Southern Senator argued that the South’s black population should be resettled so that they were evenly distributed across the nation, by force if necessary I guess. So much for claiming they opposed the Civil Rights Act on constitutional grounds.

I really want to see that. I actually think LBJ is a president we’re going to look a lot more positively at in the years to come IMO. I concede he messed up Vietnam but after Lincoln, I think no president did more for Civil Rights and that is a huge strike in LBJ’s favor.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2016 • 8:07:58pm

re: #21 worldknot

True, but that’s not what the map shows.

Oh I know. I’m just saying that just because that region was Democratic in 1860 does not mean it was liberal.

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teleskiguy  May 22, 2016 • 8:08:15pm

Look how stoked they are to meet Little Richard!

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calochortus  May 22, 2016 • 8:08:56pm

re: #19 Big Beautiful Door

That is quite a change from the ’20s and ’30s when they wouldn’t let Black families leave the South. They had to leave secretly in the dark of night.

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calochortus  May 22, 2016 • 8:09:23pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

I think there’s a really good book about that, The Warmth of Other Suns. It’s crazy to think about but my grandmother’s high school in late 1920’s Pittsburgh was more diverse than my father’s here in Northern Va in the early early 60’s.

I’ve read that and highly recommend it.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 22, 2016 • 8:10:06pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

I really want to see that. I actually think LBJ is a president we’re going to look a lot more positively at in the years to come IMO. I concede he messed up Vietnam but after Lincoln, I think no president did more for Civil Rights and that is a huge strike in LBJ’s favor.

A tragic hero in the classical sense of being great but having a fatal flaw.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2016 • 8:10:29pm

re: #24 teleskiguy

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Look how stoked they are to meet Little Richard!

It always amuses me seeing the Beatles in their early years and then seeing them in the late 60’s when they started growing their hair out and beards. Kind of reminds me of the photos of my Dad and uncles. Clean shaved high school kids who grew beards by decade’s end. I guess the same could be said about me myself.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2016 • 8:10:50pm

re: #26 calochortus

I’ve read that and highly recommend it.

I think I may use one of my audible tokens on it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 22, 2016 • 8:10:51pm

re: #3 calochortus

Maybe teachers shouldn’t be in classrooms? Let the kids do piecework instead of learning to read. Problem solved.

That was Rush Limbaugh’s idea wasn’t it? Use the kids as janitors?

/

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Kragar  May 22, 2016 • 8:11:15pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 22, 2016 • 8:11:40pm

re: #30 Eclectic Cyborg

That was Rush Limbaugh’s idea wasn’t it? Use the kids as janitors?

/

Newt Gingrich.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2016 • 8:12:10pm

re: #27 Big Beautiful Door

A tragic hero in the classical sense of being great but having a fatal flaw.

Yeah, a very fatal flaw mind you but I think his contributions on civil rights need to be discussed. No offense intended to the boomers but I think we’ll get more discussion on that as more historians from other generations start contributing to the debate. I am not saying the critiques of LBJ and Vietnam are wrong, I’m merely stating they don’t tell the whole story that the man could have been a second FDR.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2016 • 8:12:28pm

re: #30 Eclectic Cyborg

That was Rush Limbaugh’s idea wasn’t it? Use the kids as janitors?

/

Gingrich wanted the kiddie janitors.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 22, 2016 • 8:12:44pm

re: #32 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Newt Gingrich.

Though Rush said children shouldn’t be served free meals at school because that deprived them of the opportunity to provide for themselves.

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ipsos  May 22, 2016 • 8:13:42pm

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Yeah, a very fatal flaw mind you but I think his contributions on civil rights need to be discussed. No offense intended to the boomers but I think we’ll get more discussion on that as more historians from other generations start contributing to the debate. I am not saying the critiques of LBJ and Vietnam are wrong, I’m merely stating they don’t tell the whole story that the man could have been a second FDR.

I think Robert Caro has already done a great service to the historical cause of LBJ with his ongoing multi-volume biography, which is excellent. The last volume ended with the Kennedy assassination; I pray that Caro (who’s now around 80 years old) stays in good health to finish up the last piece of the work. Highly recommended reading, lengthy though it is.

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goddamnedfrank  May 22, 2016 • 8:13:50pm

I like how Bernie isn’t even talking about economic policy anymore, just trying to taint Hillary’s win.

Sanders (Vt.) is certain that he can become the Democratic nominee. But regardless of the outcome, he said he plans to go to the convention and seek what he considers critical changes to the rules. Sanders complained Sunday, as he has many times before, that closed primaries disenfranchise millions of people who may wish to vote for a Democratic candidate. Closed primaries are contests held in states that allow only registered party members, in this case Democrats, to cast ballots.

Even if the Vermont senator persuades the Democratic Party to embrace more open primaries in its platform at the party’s national convention in July, individual states would have to enact the changes. Experts say that’s unlikely because many state legislatures are completely or partially controlled by Republicans, who have no motive to change the status quo.

Clinton has won more totally open contests than he has. Her biggest election day blowouts came in totally open States. Sanders has basically given up trying to advocate for more of his economic policies to make their way into the Democratic planks and is instead focusing on this pathetic last ditch sore loser routine. The immature, vindictive manner in which he’s conducting himself now tells us a lot about how he would govern when faced with adversity.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 22, 2016 • 8:14:09pm

re: #16 teleskiguy

THE DEMOC-RATS ARE TEH REAL RASSISTS! TEHY STARTD THE KKK LIBTARD!

I freely admit that if this were 1856, 1860, 1864, 1868, 1872, maybe even 1876, I’d be voting Republican. They can’t seem to grasp the simplest historical facts.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 22, 2016 • 8:15:32pm

re: #31 Kragar

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Knoxville’s Jason Kennedy, 46, was a minister at Grace Baptist Church in Karns, but he wasn’t fired until after the charges were revealed by the TBI, according to WBIR.

“Jason was a guy that talked so much about his wife and how much he loved her, and she talked about how she loved him and their three children. I mean, they were a great family,” Senior Pastor Ron Stewart said about the alleged child pedophile.

“The actions of the children’s pastor for which he has been arrested were part of his life outside the church,” the church said in a statement. “We have received no questions or concerns related to his conduct within the church or its ministries.”

I just can’t….huh….WHAT THE FUCK???

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Big Beautiful Door  May 22, 2016 • 8:15:32pm

re: #38 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I freely admit that if this were 1856, 1860, 1864, 1868, 1872, maybe even 1876, I’d be voting Republican. They can’t seem to grasp the simplest historical facts.

Teddy, though an imperialist, was fairly progressive as well.

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majii  May 22, 2016 • 8:16:35pm

re: #4 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Those who tend to think that teachers should be armed in their classrooms have no idea about the types of students that can pop up in a classroom. During my career, I taught students who had been found guilty of grant theft auto, burglary, breaking and entering, selling drugs, gang activity involving guns, and other felonies. Some of my students readily admitted to me that the only reason they were in school at all was because it was a mandated portion of their probation program. They would rather have been anywhere else except school. Just imagine one of the the aforementioned students getting his/her hands on a teacher’s gun, especially if it is an expensive one. Two of my former students are serving lengthy sentences in prison for murder, one is female, the other is male. The female killed her girlfriend because she decided to leave her. The male was taking part in robbing a store and killed the store owner in the process. A third student was sentenced to serve over 40 years in prison for burning down churches in Middle GA. If these kinds of students can be attending school in a small, “conservative” town like the one where I worked, just imagine what kinds attend schools in larger towns and cities.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2016 • 8:16:43pm

re: #38 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I freely admit that if this were 1856, 1860, 1864, 1868, 1872, maybe even 1876, I’d be voting Republican. They can’t seem to grasp the simplest historical facts.

It’s like they can’t see that political parties can and do change.

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Belafon  May 22, 2016 • 8:17:05pm

re: #37 goddamnedfrank

I like how Bernie isn’t even talking about economic policy anymore, just trying to taint Hillary’s win.

Clinton has won more totally open contests than he has. Her biggest election day blowouts came in totally open States. Sanders has basically given up trying to advocate for more of his economic policies to make their way into the Democratic planks and is instead focusing on this pathetic last ditch sore loser routine. The immature, vindictive manner in which he’s conducting himself now tells us a lot about how he would govern when faced with adversity.

Hopefully someone at the convention will ask Sanders if he really thinks all those Republicans who voted for him in West Virginia will actually vote for him in the general election.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2016 • 8:18:10pm

re: #40 Big Beautiful Door

Teddy, though an imperialist, was fairly progressive as well.

Harrison to his credit did a lot for Civil War vets. Cleveland even though he was a draft dodger (literally paid for a replacement), he fought pensions. The last Republican I can see myself considering voting for is Ike but Adlai Stevenson was a good guy and candidate. Plus Ike had Nixon.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 22, 2016 • 8:19:32pm

re: #38 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I freely admit that if this were 1856, 1860, 1864, 1868, 1872, maybe even 1876, I’d be voting Republican. They can’t seem to grasp the simplest historical facts.

1856 even though John C. Frémont (“é” LOL) was second only to Custer as the army’s greatest self-promoting asshole.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 22, 2016 • 8:21:38pm

re: #40 Big Beautiful Door

Teddy, though an imperialist, was fairly progressive as well.

I would probably have voted for Teddy. Not a Bryan fan.

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teleskiguy  May 22, 2016 • 8:21:38pm

re: #45 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

1856 even though John C. Frémont (“é” LOL) was second only to Custer as the army’s greatest self-promoting asshole.

Both those guys have lots of things named after them in the west. Counties, schools, etc.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2016 • 8:24:48pm

re: #46 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I would probably have voted for Teddy. Not a Bryan fan.

Teddy and Bryan never ran against each other. Teddy’s 1904 candidate was Alton Parker, a little known circuit judge and conservative Democrat. I’m not huge on Bryan either. Appreciate his economic contributions but the hostility to evolution, defense of the KKK at the 1924 convention(my username’s namesake Al Smith was an opponent of the KKK though my user name is more in tribute to Humphrey), and the all around fanaticism plus messiah delusions are why I’m not a big Bryan fan either.

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majii  May 22, 2016 • 8:25:34pm

re: #11 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Many Americans already think teachers “make too much money,” which is why they tend to be against giving them raises. In GA, we could not bargain collectively for salary increases because the state constitution prohibits it, but it still never stops some uneducated tools here from claiming that the teachers’ unions here play a huge role in determining what teachers salaries are. The only reason the lie persists is because these tools have consumed right-wing media which pushes the idea that every teacher is a union member, and unions are bloodsuckers determined to suck every penny out of taxpayers’ pockets. Even in states that allow teachers to unionize, many citizens never think that the problems with the pension system isn’t with the teachers who have paid their contributions into it but with state lawmakers not holding up their end of the bargain. Some states are having problems hiring teachers, and I think if some of the politicians, newsreaders and others keep demonizing them, the problem will become worse. I’m always surprised at those who wouldn’t teach for any reason and always seem to think they know what it is like to teach when they don’t.

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goddamnedfrank  May 22, 2016 • 8:25:38pm

If Sanders has any smarts at all he’ll drop out immediately after California, vocally endorsing and supporting Hillary. If he waits even one week then Washington DC votes, and the 46% black population there will put a fucking exclamation point on exactly how and why he lost these primaries. Hillary is going to run laps around him there. If he waits for that to happen he’ll have lost his very last chance to appear even slightly magnanimous in defeat.

I mean, he should’ve dropped out after New York, or at the latest a week later when he lost 4 out of 5 New England States. But if he lets the DC results come in without conceding first he’s going to end this thing looking like a scalded dog.

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No Depression  May 22, 2016 • 8:25:42pm

re: #37 goddamnedfrank

I like how Bernie isn’t even talking about economic policy anymore, just trying to taint Hillary’s win.

Clinton has won more totally open contests than he has. Her biggest election day blowouts came in totally open States. Sanders has basically given up trying to advocate for more of his economic policies to make their way into the Democratic planks and is instead focusing on this pathetic last ditch sore loser routine. The immature, vindictive manner in which he’s conducting himself now tells us a lot about how he would govern when faced with adversity.

The only things the radical left knows how to do is whine ineffectually and harass people on Twitter. No wonder their revolutions never materialize.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 22, 2016 • 8:25:59pm

re: #48 HappyWarrior

Teddy and Bryan never ran against each other. Teddy’s 1904 candidate was Alton Parker, a little known circuit judge and conservative Democrat. I’m not huge on Bryan either. Appreciate his economic contributions but the hostility to evolution, defense of the KKK at the 1924 convention(my username’s namesake Al Smith was an opponent of the KKK though my user name is more in tribute to Humphrey), and the all around fanaticism plus messiah delusions are why I’m not a big Bryan fan either.

Shit! Coulda sworn and all that…

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2016 • 8:28:10pm

re: #52 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Shit! Coulda sworn and all that…

Nah, it’s all good. 1908 is an interesting race. Taft was definitely conservative but also far more secular than Bryan who was progressive but very religious. Taft is given credit for enforcing a lot of the TR era reforms but I don’t think Taft would have implemented them on his own right.

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teleskiguy  May 22, 2016 • 8:29:31pm

re: #50 goddamnedfrank

Upding for “scalded dog.” You’ve always had a way with words. :)

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 22, 2016 • 8:30:07pm

re: #50 goddamnedfrank

If Sanders has any smarts at all he’ll drop out immediately after California, vocally endorsing and supporting Hillary. If he waits even one week then Washington DC votes, and the 46% black population there will put a fucking exclamation point on exactly how and why he lost these Primaries. Hillary is going to run laps around him there. If he waits for that to happen he’ll have lost his very last chance to appear even slightly magnanimous in defeat.

I mean, he should’ve dropped out after New York, or at the latest a week later when he lost 4 out of 5 New England States. But if he lets the DC results come in without conceding first he’s going to end this thing looking like a scalded dog.

Tuesday’s Washington primary will be instructive, though irrelevant. What do you want to bet Hillary takes it big after Bernie stole the caucus? Same thing happened in Nebraska.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2016 • 8:30:42pm

Found a very old professional directory with biographies and everything and my great grandpa is described as a supporter of the GOP. Wonder who he liked for president. I would suspect he was a wet- He was a German immigrant and I’ve found evidence of his father belonging to a society opposed to prohibition. He worked in banking. Wouldn’t shock me if he knew Andrew Mellon or had some connections to him. In any case, his son, my grandfather was a staunch liberal and indirectly the biggest influence on my liberalism. It’s funny how that works out. His daughter in law, OTOH my grandmother had a great grandfather and grand uncle who were postmasters during the administrations of Buchanan and Cleveland and were Irish-Catholic Democrats.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 22, 2016 • 8:33:27pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

Nah, it’s all good. 1908 is an interesting race. Taft was definitely conservative but also far more secular than Bryan who was progressive but very religious. Taft is given credit for enforcing a lot of the TR era reforms but I don’t think Taft would have implemented them on his own right.

Not to mention Eugene Debs taking ~3% from a jail cell….

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 22, 2016 • 8:34:49pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

My Dad’s side seems to be largely Dutch Conservative.

My Mom’s based on a combination of Genealogy, research into the individuals, and my Grandfather’s own recollections, leads me to believe that her side has always been fairly left-wing.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2016 • 8:35:17pm

re: #57 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Not to mention Eugene Debs taking ~3% from a jail cell….

Debs ran from the jail cell in 1920. Harding of all people pardoned him. I hate saying it but Glenn Beck ain’t all wrong about Woodrow Wilson. Wilson’s justice department under A Mitchell Palmer was a foreshadowing of the bs we had in the 50’s.

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majii  May 22, 2016 • 8:35:27pm

re: #39 Eclectic Cyborg

I went to the WBIR site to read local reactions to the news, and these two pastors have their defenders. One guy was saying that since no money exchanged hands that they were not guilty of having committed any crime. He went on to claim that they could have been going there to “help” the victims escape prostitution. No way. They went to that Best Western thinking they were going to get with some young girls. The problem was that they never expected they were talking with law enforcement officers the entire time. Even if one of the guys talked about his wife and family all of the time, he still had a secret he was hiding from them, the pastor, and his fellow church members, and that secret came back and bit him in the *ss. As far as I’m concerned, the best thing that could happen to these two guys is that they’re tried and convicted and given long prison sentences because it’s past the time to stop giving them a free pass because they’re alleged Christians and family values persons. Real family values persons don’t only talk about how much they love their families, they act like it, which does not include trying to meet young girls for sex at hotels/motels.

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Reality Based Steve  May 22, 2016 • 8:37:17pm

re: #60 majii

I went to the WBIR site to read local reactions to the news, and these two pastors have their defenders. One guy was saying that since no money exchanged hands that they were not guilty of having committed any crime. He went on to claim that they could have been going there to “help” the victims escape prostitution. No way. They went to that Best Western thinking they were going to get with some young girls. The problem was that they never expected they were talking with law enforcement officers the entire time. Even if one of the guys talked about his wife and family all of the time, he still had a secret he was hiding from them, the pastor, and his fellow church members, and that secret came back and bit him in the *ss. As far as I’m concerned, the best thing that could happen to these two guys is that they’re tried and convicted and given long prison sentences because it’s past the time to stop giving them a free pass because they’re alleged Christians and family values persons. Real family values persons don’t only talk about ow much they love their families, they act like it, which does not include trying to meet young girls for sex at hotels/motels.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2016 • 8:38:34pm

re: #58 Ziggy_TARDIS

My Dad’s side seems to be largely Dutch Conservative.

My Mom’s based on a combination of Genealogy, research into the individuals, and my Grandfather’s own recollections, leads me to believe that her side has always been fairly left-wing.

I do like looking at the ancestors as individuals. I actually uncovered some very left wing letters to the editor from one of my grandfather’s older cousins. I was talking with a nephew of my dad’s mom who knew my great grandfather on that side pretty well and he said that he hated Truman which surprised me since I figured the old man was a Democrat but maybe he was one of these who felt that old Harry couldn’t hold a feather to FDR. My mom’s parents and grandparents were definitely Democrats though. Immigrant union coal miners, that’s Democratic territory and my mom’s mom has talked about how FDR, John L. Lewis, and Jesus Christ were the most popular people in their home.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2016 • 8:41:20pm

I’m disappointed to see that my brother’s got a little bit of BB in him. But in another way I am glad he’s actually engaged in the election and I am glad that unlike some BBs, he knows that Trump is vile. I won’t push too hard on it. He’s got a lot of shit he’s going through. It is ironic though that he supports the candidate that benefits the most from the caucuses and when I explained caucuses to him, he thought it was a load of shit. I think he just wants a candidate that has strong views. I’ll cut some slack. I was like that in my first election I really focused on too albeit younger.

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BeenHereAwhile  May 22, 2016 • 8:43:21pm

re: #24 teleskiguy

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Look how stoked they are to meet Little Richard!

A friend played drums in Roy Orbison’s band in the 1960s.

When they toured England, he said the Beatles treated them like rock and roll royalty.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2016 • 8:44:27pm

re: #64 BeenHereAwhile

A friend played drums in Roy Orbison’s band in the 1960s.

When they toured England, he said the Beatles treated them like rock and roll royalty.

Roy and George were later in the Traveling Wilburys together, one of the first bands I remember hearing as a kid since my dad had their cassette.

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teleskiguy  May 22, 2016 • 8:54:49pm

re: #64 BeenHereAwhile

A friend played drums in Roy Orbison’s band in the 1960s.

When they toured England, he said the Beatles treated them like rock and roll royalty.

You have Been Here A While.

:-D

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Reality Based Steve  May 22, 2016 • 9:09:09pm

Night all. I’m going to go crash, and crash hard. Catch you all tomorrow.

RBS

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 22, 2016 • 9:13:57pm

re: #41 majii

And then there are the teachers who are sexual predators…

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Charles Johnson  May 22, 2016 • 9:17:49pm
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Lidane  May 22, 2016 • 9:18:47pm

I’m going to enjoy watching Wayne LaPierre defend Trump’s shifting positions on guns. That’s going to be a hoot.

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majii  May 22, 2016 • 9:20:40pm

re: #68 GlutenFreeJesus

True, and they should not be in the classroom. When I began teaching in the early 1970s, there were few instances of teachers preying on students sexually that I heard of/read about. I retired in 2009, and now it seems that every week I’m reading of some teacher who has had sex with his/her student. There was a case in LA recently in which a guy had sex with one of his students and married her shortly after she graduated from high school. He was being prosecuted for sexually molesting her, but it was announced last month that the state would not prosecute him. I’ve never understood why any teacher would view a student as a sexual object. Many of mine got on my last nerve because they were so immature, so I looked at them as exactly what they were—-children.

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teleskiguy  May 22, 2016 • 9:21:29pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

Ben would freak the fuck out the moment he saw an alpaca shit.

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Lidane  May 22, 2016 • 9:28:14pm

So I watched the premiere of Preacher tonight. HIGHLY recommended. So, so awesome. It’s bloody, violent, and campy but also wicked fun. I’m a fan.

Anyone else catch it tonight?

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Kragar  May 22, 2016 • 9:28:53pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 22, 2016 • 10:03:28pm

Good thoughts appreciated Lizard friends. I’ve done…something to my neck. It’s not majorly painful, more like a minor annoyance. I have been working a lot lately and been pretty busy so I’m thinking that it combined with the mild lower back pain I’m experiencing is probably a result of that.

I like to think I’m too young to be breaking down but I’m 34 now and I know it’s just a matter of time before I get to that point.

I’m off for the next few days so hopefully I will benefit from some much needed rest.

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CuriousLurker  May 22, 2016 • 10:06:35pm

Eeeek—I’ve been waiting for this since last year! Free if you have Amazon Prime:

Gonna go watch it now. Later, lizards.

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teleskiguy  May 22, 2016 • 10:17:16pm

Dude keeled over during the third song in the set at a club called Baked Potato in L.A.

Unbelievable. 2016, for me anyways, is the worst year ever for music and the people that make it. Too many greats that have just up and croaked.

Incredibly sad. So sudden. The universe is cruel and unforgiving.

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Charles Johnson  May 22, 2016 • 10:18:57pm

re: #74 Kragar

Just added all those sites to our list of fake news sites.

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majii  May 22, 2016 • 10:20:23pm

re: #77 teleskiguy

51 years old. Such a young guy. I remember listening to Megadeath back in the day. Great band, awesome musicians.

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teleskiguy  May 22, 2016 • 10:27:18pm
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teleskiguy  May 22, 2016 • 10:35:18pm

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sagehen  May 22, 2016 • 10:48:18pm

re: #19 Big Beautiful Door

I watched All The Way last night which focused on the battle to get the Civil Rights Act enacted after Kennedy’s death. During the filibuster, a Southern Senator argued that the South’s black population should be resettled so that they were evenly distributed across the nation, by force if necessary I guess. So much for claiming they opposed the Civil Rights Act on constitutional grounds.

I liked when they were arguing over delegates to the convention, and 5 entire states walked out because they were so outraged at the idea of a black delegate. One. “It’ll look like the nigras is taking over.” One. One delegate. In the entire convention.

For a moment I wondered how would they react to seeing a black president elected and then I remembered, “oh yeah, don’t have to wonder. We saw how they reacted.” Sure, the tea party was all about tax rates and debt. Uh huh.

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BeenHereAwhile  May 22, 2016 • 10:50:05pm

re: #66 teleskiguy

You have Been Here A While.

:-D

“Ain’t nothing wrong with getting old, means you’re still alive.”

Carolyn Brown

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teleskiguy  May 22, 2016 • 10:52:25pm

So this happened this morning. From a guy who *hardly ever tweets*. I’m all about filling the joint up to capacity day of show, and so is Dweezil.

I got retweeted by Dweezil Zappa. It’s pure marketing. So what? Ha ha ha. Good times!

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Dark_Falcon  May 22, 2016 • 10:55:14pm

re: #70 Lidane

I’m going to enjoy watching Wayne LaPierre defend Trump’s shifting positions on guns. That’s going to be a hoot.

I think he’d argue the NRA is better with a sometimes friend than a certain and implacable foe.

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teleskiguy  May 22, 2016 • 11:02:57pm

Hey Dark_Falcon. If you saw my comment at you downstairs, I’m not antagonizing you. More like poking holes in conservative right-wing thought. We’re like best friends here, us Lizards that stick around.

Still, we all are wondering. Trump?

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Dark_Falcon  May 22, 2016 • 11:06:57pm

re: #86 teleskiguy

Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea, that’s where I am right now.

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goddamnedfrank  May 22, 2016 • 11:10:05pm

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea, that’s where I am right now.

All life came from the Deep Blue Sea. Choose life.

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teleskiguy  May 22, 2016 • 11:12:41pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

All life came from the Deep Blue Sea. Choose life.

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Dark_Falcon  May 22, 2016 • 11:20:05pm

Actually, Deep Blue lives in the sea:

Deep Blue - The biggest great white shark ever filmed

She’s a 2 1/2 ton Great White Shark.

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Dark_Falcon  May 22, 2016 • 11:34:02pm

And I leave you all for the night with what has to be a new level of battlefield DERP from Daesh:

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teleskiguy  May 23, 2016 • 12:25:04am

Moon Zappa follows li’l ol’ me on Twitter and some insights occur.

Oy.

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Scout  May 23, 2016 • 12:32:10am

re: #30 Eclectic Cyborg

That was Rush Limbaugh’s idea wasn’t it? Use the kids as janitors?

/

There is a long tradition of this in Japan. It’s my understanding that this helps the kids learn how to be a part of the community.

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Timothy Watson  May 23, 2016 • 12:36:47am

re: #93 Scout

There is a long tradition of this in Japan. It’s my understanding that this helps the kids learn how to be a part of the community.

But God forbid if schools want students to have to spend a few hours working for a non-profit before they can graduate.

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teleskiguy  May 23, 2016 • 12:36:58am

*crickets*

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William Lewis  May 23, 2016 • 12:42:44am

re: #93 Scout

There is a long tradition of this in Japan. It’s my understanding that this helps the kids learn how to be a part of the community.

It would be one thing if that was the intent rather than the real GOP intent to teach them that they’re only good for forced labor.

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teleskiguy  May 23, 2016 • 12:48:05am

It’s the Internet so take what I say with a grain of salt. I think @thefrenchrat (goes by the same name here at LGF) is a disingenuous person.

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goddamnedfrank  May 23, 2016 • 1:01:24am

“Rested on oak” probably just means mixed with saw dust before filtering.

Gross.

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Nyet  May 23, 2016 • 1:01:35am

re: #10 teleskiguy

Now that’s political geography!

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teleskiguy  May 23, 2016 • 1:15:11am

re: #99 Nyet

It’s amazing! Isn’t it?

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Ming5000  May 23, 2016 • 2:27:48am

re: #55 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Tuesday’s Washington primary will be instructive, though irrelevant. What do you want to bet Hillary takes it big after Bernie stole the caucus? Same thing happened in Nebraska.

I had to check out the deal with Washington’s primary. (Heavy)

Back in 2011, the state mandated that all counties use mail-in voting. Ballots were sent out on May 6th and have to be postmarked by the 24th.

….the state’s Democratic Party has told people not to vote. The reason? Democrats in the Evergreen state are ignoring the vote and have chosen to allocate delegates based on the March 26th state caucuses. Bernie Sanders won that, easily, over Hillary Clinton 73% to 27%. He got 74 delegates while she got 27.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 23, 2016 • 2:34:51am
I had to check out the deal with Washington’s primary. (Heavy)

It used to be the Republicans took their delegates half-and-half from the caucus and the primary. I guess they’ve switched to ignoring the primary like the Democrats, since they had their convention yesterday.

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Gargravarr  May 23, 2016 • 2:46:09am

Trump can change his mind six times before breakfast, but the truth is whatever half-baked idea pops into his head at any given moment. The man has the attention span of a gnat.

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Ming5000  May 23, 2016 • 3:05:20am


LA Times

“Mistakes are being made,” said William Simpich, an Oakland civil rights attorney who filed the lawsuit Friday.

So, umm, California’s Democratic Party, unlike the GOP, allows a “modified” closed primary in favor of allowing anyone to vote in their primary if “duly noticed to the Secretary of State”. This has been the system since at least 2004.
Yes, “mistakes have been made”, but not by the CA Democratic Party.

CA SOS:

Listed below is the history of the political parties who adopted a party rule permitting no party preference voters to request a party ballot in recent primary elections for partisan offices.

June 7, 2016, Presidential Primary Election
American Independent Party, letter dated December 31, 2015
Democratic Party, letter dated January 15, 2015
Libertarian Party, letter dated January 25, 2016

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 23, 2016 • 3:26:07am

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea, that’s where I am right now.

The deep blue sea is there for everyone, but this Devil is the making of the
Republican Party.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 23, 2016 • 3:28:46am

re: #103 Gargravarr

Trump can change his mind six times before breakfast, but the truth is whatever half-baked idea pops into his head at any given moment. The man’s audience has the attention span of a gnat.

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Eventual Carrion  May 23, 2016 • 4:20:41am

re: #31 Kragar

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Alyosha  May 23, 2016 • 4:28:28am

Non-spoilery. But hehe

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steve_davis  May 23, 2016 • 4:35:02am

cinton is going to moiderize this numbskull.

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Dave In Austin  May 23, 2016 • 4:52:27am
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Rocky-in-Connecticut  May 23, 2016 • 5:11:30am

re: #4 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

So all the members of the GOP’s most despised profession—teachers—should have guns? That can only work out well for them.

Let me correct you a bit concerning the GOP’s most despised professions (in order of most hated):

1. Scientists (real peer-reviewed published scientists, not the 0.01% Koch/Heritage paid shills trotted out on Fox News)
2. Union organizers
3. IRS workers
4. EPA employees
5. Tesla CEO
6. Solar Energy employees
7. Liberal Arts/Humanities Teachers
8. ACLU/SPL/Amnesty employees
9. Hollywood actors
10. Fast food workers (how dare there be a minimum wage at all)

So, your post is essentially correct, but not factually. There, corrected.

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Timothy Watson  May 23, 2016 • 5:21:37am

re: #111 Rocky-in-Connecticut

But most public school teachers aren’t on the list then unless you consider them “union organizers”.

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Barefoot Grin  May 23, 2016 • 5:25:41am

And really it’s just public school teachers who are despised (“taxed enough already!!!”), not private school teachers so much.

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Whack-A-Mole  May 23, 2016 • 5:35:40am

Not sure if this was posted by someone already but good news for Trekkies:

In an interview with io9, JJ Abrams recently said:

A few months back there was a fan film, Axonar, that was getting made and there was this lawsuit that happened between the studio and these fans and Justin, I’ll tell the story because he probably wouldn’t, was sort of outraged by this as a long time fan. We started talking about it and realized this was not an appropriate way to deal with the fans.

The fans should be celebrating this thing. Fans of Star Trek are part of this world. So he went to the studio and pushed them to stop this lawsuit and now, within the next few weeks, it will be announced this is going away, and that fans would be able to continue working on their project

The whole article can be found here.

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freetoken  May 23, 2016 • 5:37:12am

re: #93 Scout

There is a long tradition of this in Japan. It’s my understanding that this helps the kids learn how to be a part of the community.

Commonly, children help clean up the classroom at the end of the day. That doesn’t mean that Japanese schools don’t have janitorial staff, etc.

It’s a group thing. Japanese culture so elevates the group over the individual that this has to be instilled early and constantly reinforced.

My takeaway from living in Japan is that the young people are more mature in some ways and more responsible than similar age American children. However, they pay a price for it in other ways.

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b.d.  May 23, 2016 • 5:43:03am

re: #98 goddamnedfrank

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“Rested on oak” probably just means mixed with saw dust before filtering.

Gross.

Geniuses at Absolut!

How come nobody ever thought of putting flavorless liquor in oak barrels?

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Timothy Watson  May 23, 2016 • 5:44:52am

re: #116 b.d.

Geniuses at Absolut!

How come nobody ever thought of putting flavorless liquor in oak barrels?

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jayjaybear  May 23, 2016 • 5:47:03am

Ugh. Fucker Carlson’s ugly mug…

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lawhawk  May 23, 2016 • 6:03:19am

The move to the middle. Islamophobia and xenophobic positions are only slightly less so. They’re negotiable.

OFFS.

It’s the same nonsensical ravings from Trump re: guns in classrooms. No guns in classrooms, but teachers should have guns. What to believe?

This is what I believe.

Trump is a demagoguing lying asshat (band name?!) who believes 50% of what he says, and blusters the other 50%. It is up to us to try and figure out what he means, but for most people that’s way too much work.

So, here’s a simple handy dandy guide:

If you’re looking at Trump, take him at his word on his being an Islamophobe and xenophobe. Those are the things he’s repeated ad nauseum and is consistent on. He’s consistently pushed for massive tax breaks for the rich and burden shifting on to everyone else.

He’s unreliable on most everything else and his lack of character or judgment should be disqualifying as a presidential candidate. In fact, he’s probably the worst major party candidate to get the nomination from either party in generations. Take the worst features from all the worst presidents, put them together in a pressure cooker, and add a good dose of xenophobia and racism, and that’s Trump - who is the GOP id and ego distilled to its essence.

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lawhawk  May 23, 2016 • 6:06:20am

re: #98 goddamnedfrank

Vodka is meant to be a clean spirit with no defining taste. Flavored vodkas are the opposite of that. It’s as though they’re finding an awful gin and throwing in leftovers.

It’s pretty hilarious that Absolut is talking about oaking vodka, while you’ve got Jack Daniels and other whiskey/bourbon distillers using charcoal to remove flavors/impurities before barreling them (though I think there’s a second charcoaling for Gentleman Jack after barreling).

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Dr. Matt  May 23, 2016 • 6:11:20am

re: #120 lawhawk

I’m hoping flavored Vodkas and whiskeys are this generation’s Zimas.

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darthstar  May 23, 2016 • 6:13:47am

re: #119 lawhawk

Small steps. I called this shit months ago and again weeks ago. The wall Mexico is going to build is now virtual…you have a process…people fill out paperwork…go into a room…get a certificate…come out the other door…are now here legally…not citizens.

Hillary’s right when she says he shouldn’t be treated like a normal candidate. He’s far more dangerous than that.

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Dave In Austin  May 23, 2016 • 6:14:17am

re: #119 lawhawk

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2016 • 6:15:09am

re: #119 lawhawk

The move to the middle. Islamophobia and xenophobic positions are only slightly less so. They’re negotiable.

OFFS.

It’s the same nonsensical ravings from Trump re: guns in classrooms. No guns in classrooms, but teachers should have guns. What to believe?

This is what I believe.

Trump is a demagoguing lying asshat (band name?!) who believes 50% of what he says, and blusters the other 50%. It is up to us to try and figure out what he means, but for most people that’s way too much work.

So, here’s a simple handy dandy guide:

If you’re looking at Trump, take him at his word on his being an Islamophobe and xenophobe. Those are the things he’s repeated ad nauseum and is consistent on. He’s consistently pushed for massive tax breaks for the rich and burden shifting on to everyone else.

He’s unreliable on most everything else and his lack of character or judgment should be disqualifying as a presidential candidate. In fact, he’s probably the worst major party candidate to get the nomination from either party in generations. Take the worst features from all the worst presidents, put them together in a pressure cooker, and add a good dose of xenophobia and racism, and that’s Trump - who is the GOP id and ego distilled to its essence.

Everything’s negotiable. Believe me. Except Americans are tired of living not normal with all the terrorism.

/

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 23, 2016 • 6:16:20am

re: #113 Barefoot Grin

And really it’s just public school teachers who are despised (“taxed enough already!!!”), not private school teachers so much.

All teachers should be private school teachers and all schools should be private.

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2016 • 6:17:13am

re: #111 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Let me correct you a bit concerning the GOP’s most despised professions (in order of most hated):

1. Scientists (real peer-reviewed published scientists, not the 0.01% Koch/Heritage paid shills trotted out on Fox News)
2. Union organizers
3. IRS workers
4. EPA employees
5. Tesla CEO
6. Solar Energy employees
7. Liberal Arts/Humanities Teachers
8. ACLU/SPL/Amnesty employees
9. Hollywood actors
10. Fast food workers (how dare there be a minimum wage at all)

So, your post is essentially correct, but not factually. There, corrected.

I’m tired of President Obummer dividing America. He’s very divisive.

///

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2016 • 6:18:17am

re: #125 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

All teachers should be private school teachers and all schools should be private.

Yes, see, it’s all very simple.

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darthstar  May 23, 2016 • 6:18:44am

re: #124 Sir John Barron

Everything’s negotiable. Believe me. Except Americans are tired of living not normal with all the terrorism.

/

We have first time voters this year whose earliest memories don’t include 9/11 as they were 3 years old at the time. They’ve never not known America in the age of terrorism.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 23, 2016 • 6:19:41am

re: #121 Dr. Matt

I’m hoping flavored Vodkas and whiskeys are this generation’s Zimas.

Flavored vodkas have a long tradition. Chili peppers, garlic, bison grass or walnut membranes have been used for ages.

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lawhawk  May 23, 2016 • 6:22:42am

re: #122 darthstar

Small steps. I called this shit months ago and again weeks ago. The wall Mexico is going to build is now virtual…you have a process…people fill out paperwork…go into a room…get a certificate…come out the other door…are now here legally…not citizens.

Hillary’s right when she says he shouldn’t be treated like a normal candidate. He’s far more dangerous than that.

The same day Trump talked about a wall, he stated that some of the wall would be the result of natural barriers such as deserts and mountains - which is exactly how the border is now. His supporters ignored all the qualifiers and fixated on “wall”. They want the dumbed down rhetoric, and Trump’s giving it to them. And you’re absolutely right - he is dangerous. A lot more dangerous in that respect.

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lawhawk  May 23, 2016 • 6:24:25am

re: #121 Dr. Matt

I’m hoping flavored Vodkas and whiskeys are this generation’s Zimas.

Flavored vodkas have always been around - we just called them whiskey or gin.

Absolut’s probably seeing the market for whiskeys growing while vodka is stagnant, so they’re trying to horn in on the other business by coming up with a crossover.

I’d take Gentleman Jack over Absolut Oak any day… and I’m not the biggest whiskey fan.

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danarchy  May 23, 2016 • 6:25:07am

re: #121 Dr. Matt

I’m hoping flavored Vodkas and whiskeys are this generation’s Zimas.

Unfortunately, they already have more staying power than Zima. A couple decades ago when I was in college Stoli Razberi was all the rage with the sorority girls.

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Dr. Matt  May 23, 2016 • 6:25:47am

re: #129 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Flavored vodkas have a long tradition. Chili peppers, garlic, bison grass or walnut membranes have been used for ages.

Context. It’s all about context. I’m referencing the mass produced fruity crap that is being marketed. Context. It’s all about the context.

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Alyosha  May 23, 2016 • 6:30:19am

We vote for politicians’ platforms, and if we’re smart, can tease apart what in their stump presence is posture and what is bone-deep conviction.
We expect to be at least be slightly disappointed in their execution of policy. That’s reality and if you pay attention, you can get an idea of how a politician is likely to govern and vote accordingly.
And yet in this cycle, we are trying instead to tease apart what in Trump’s platform is cynical showmanship and what is in grave earnest.
And some people are willing to vote for the creature based on how seriously they take his threats because they have a weirdly contrived hatred of his likely strongest opponent.

I’m not panicking, but the heady mix of emotions I have while getting my daily news fix makes life surreal.
History in the making, already as farce.

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jeffreyw  May 23, 2016 • 6:33:02am

Imgur
Good morning!

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Great White Snark  May 23, 2016 • 6:44:32am

SoCal gas gets another black eye

LOS ANGELES (cbsla.com) — The Los Angeles County Department of Public Health on Sunday evening issued a stop work order to Southern California Gas over their home cleaning efforts following the months-long Alison Canyon gas leak.

SoCalGas had began cleaning the homes of relocated Porter Ranch residents but the county found they weren’t cleaning to specified court order, the health agency announced Sunday.

Public Health has directed SoCalGas to immediately discontinue cleaning and meet with Public Health officials on Monday to discuss how they propose to resolve the deficiencies and ensure strict compliance with the court ordered protocol.

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lawhawk  May 23, 2016 • 6:48:40am

Argle the bargle:

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The Vicious Babushka  May 23, 2016 • 6:49:18am

re: #130 lawhawk

The same day Trump talked about a wall, he stated that some of the wall would be the result of natural barriers such as deserts and mountains - which is exactly how the border is now. His supporters ignored all the qualifiers and fixated on “wall”. They want the dumbed down rhetoric, and Trump’s giving it to them. And you’re absolutely right - he is dangerous. A lot more dangerous in that respect.

BEAUTIFUL WALL! AND ALL THE NATURAL BARRIERS WILL BE MAGNIFICENTLY LANDSCAPED!!!!1!!

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Belafon  May 23, 2016 • 6:50:42am

re: #137 lawhawk

Argle the bargle:

“I know Clinton says it’s already great, but I will make America betterer than ever!”

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Timothy Watson  May 23, 2016 • 6:52:37am

re: #139 Belafon

“I know Clinton says it’s already great, but I will make America betterer than ever!”

“No! Much more better!”

Pirates of the Caribbean - Dead Man’s Chest (KEYS SEGMENT)

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The Vicious Babushka  May 23, 2016 • 6:52:45am

GAH Tweetdeck fucked with their conversation settings again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2016 • 7:00:56am

FLATWOODS, Ky. (WSAZ) — A city ordinance saying people in Flatwoods would have to use bathrooms based on the gender on their birth certificate passed in a special vote Saturday morning.

Members of the Flatwoods community attended the meeting speaking to the council on their stance for or against the ordinance before council voted to pass the ordinance 5-0.

One council member, Ray Sloan chose not vote on the ordinance.

Councilman Gary Tomblyn introduced the ordinance in a special meeting last Thursday.

The ordinance only applies to bathrooms and locker rooms at government buildings in Flatwoods, including the city’s municipal building, as well as the city park and city pool. It will not affect private businesses, but Tomblyn also wants it to apply to all schools in Flatwoods.

The school district says nope:

Russell Independent Schools Superintendent Sean Horne says regardless of what city council does, it won’t lead to any changes at schools in Flatwoods, because they’re governed by the board of education, not the city government.

“It’s not going to change how we conduct business in this school district,” Horne said. “My board and I are on the same page. We believe we need to do what’s best for our kids.”

and for once the comments at the link are pretty good.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  May 23, 2016 • 7:03:32am

Still dealing with bullshit, but we fight back.

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Skip Intro  May 23, 2016 • 7:06:39am

And the Trump dick waving contest goes on.

Trump challenges London mayor Sadiq Khan to an IQ test.

Much Presidential.

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2016 • 7:08:02am

re: #137 lawhawk

In trade, military and EVERYTHING else, it will be AMERICA FIRST! This will quickly lead to our ultimate goal: MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
— Donald J. Trump

When I first saw this tweet, with the ALL CAPS, I assumed it was a parody account.

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2016 • 7:08:13am

re: #143 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Still dealing with bullshit, but we fight back.

What’s the context?

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Belafon  May 23, 2016 • 7:09:51am

re: #146 Sir John Barron

What’s the context?

If you go to the opinion piece, it links to another opinion piece that describes some of the things that went on at the school.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 23, 2016 • 7:12:33am

re: #144 Skip Intro

And the Trump dick waving contest goes on.

Trump challenges London mayor Sadiq Khan to an IQ test.

Much Presidential.

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Snarknado!  May 23, 2016 • 7:13:03am

re: #144 Skip Intro

And the Trump dick waving contest goes on.

Trump challenges London mayor Sadiq Khan to an IQ test.

Much Presidential.

Today’s lede: Trump offers to release IQ scores in lieu of tax returns.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  May 23, 2016 • 7:13:50am

re: #146 Sir John Barron

What’s the context?

Long story short:

Black student and White student(friends), send text messages back and forth to each other. Teenage boys ribbing each other. White student sends racially insensitive texts. Black student sends misogynistic texts about White students sister. Black students mother and uncle see texts, get upset. Withdraw and sue school for “promoting racist environment” Media jumps on it and out of context spreads racist school message around (Thanks Shaun King). NAACP protests, more people jump out of woodwork to claim harassment.

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Snarknado!  May 23, 2016 • 7:13:55am

re: #148 The Vicious Babushka

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People who brag about their IQ scores have nothing else to be proud of.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 23, 2016 • 7:15:58am
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Alyosha  May 23, 2016 • 7:16:27am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 23, 2016 • 7:19:59am

Dog escapes from home to check into daycarere: #144 Skip Intro

And the Trump dick waving contest goes on.

Trump challenges London mayor Sadiq Khan to an IQ test.

Much Presidential.

Sadiq Khan obviously has a sad IQ—right, Donnie? /

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Nyet  May 23, 2016 • 7:20:17am

re: #152 The Vicious Babushka

IQ scores basically correlate with abstract thinking.

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Alyosha  May 23, 2016 • 7:20:27am

The Overton window lies smashed on the pavement…

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Dark_Falcon  May 23, 2016 • 7:21:15am

re: #144 Skip Intro

And the Trump dick waving contest goes on.

Trump challenges London mayor Sadiq Khan to an IQ test.

Much Presidential.

The Rage Furby will love that idea. Sane people, not so much.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 23, 2016 • 7:21:31am

re: #154 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Oh well—I was going to post that youtube earlier and didn’t, but somehow it was still in the window.

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Dark_Falcon  May 23, 2016 • 7:23:20am

re: #153 Alyosha

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And a Green winning is not a cause for celebration. It’s still a loss for Austria, just a significantly less severe loss.

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lawhawk  May 23, 2016 • 7:27:31am
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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 23, 2016 • 7:27:49am

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, by in large, Greens are not rational, even outside the US.

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Dark_Falcon  May 23, 2016 • 7:28:00am

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

And a Green winning is not a cause for celebration. It’s still a loss for Austria, just a significantly less severe loss.

Clarification before I go: There are left-of-center parties that can govern effectively, but ‘Green’ parties seldom qualify. They focus too much on symbolism and purity and not enough on effectiveness. Thankfully, the position is mostly ceremonial so potential damage will be little.

BBT

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Eventual Carrion  May 23, 2016 • 7:28:30am

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

And a Green winning is not a cause for celebration. It’s still a loss for Austria, just a significantly less severe loss.

More on the destructive Austrian Green party platform:

Apart from ecological issues such as environmental protection, the Greens also campaign for the rights of minorities and advocate a socio-ecological (ökosozial) tax reform. Their basic values according to their charter in 2001 are: “direct democracy, nonviolence, ecology, solidarity, feminism and self-determination

Recipe for disaster.

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Alyosha  May 23, 2016 • 7:29:17am

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

And a Green winning is not a cause for celebration. It’s still a loss for Austria, just a significantly less severe loss.

We’ll see. Greens parties are different from country to country. Don’t judge them all by the US’ version.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 23, 2016 • 7:31:44am

re: #163 Eventual Carrion

Direct Democracy looks great on paper, but essentially, that means constant referendums, and things like the Banning of Minarets in Switzerland. Representative Democracy works best.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 23, 2016 • 7:33:00am

re: #161 Ziggy_TARDIS

Yeah, by in large, Greens are not rational, even outside the US.

You mean, “by and large.” Or “Buy’N’Large” if you’re referring to Pixar movies.

It has a nautical origin. Arrrhh!
phrases.org.uk

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Alyosha  May 23, 2016 • 7:33:15am

re: #161 Ziggy_TARDIS

Yeah, by in large, Greens are not rational, even outside the US.

Ours isn’t fit for government, but they’re useful in the senate to block the most egregious bills.
Their opposition to nuclear power and non-interventionist FP is… misguided.

Still, gotta vote strategically.

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nines09  May 23, 2016 • 7:33:35am
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lawhawk  May 23, 2016 • 7:35:16am
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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 23, 2016 • 7:35:45am

re: #166 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Thanks for that.

re: #167 Alyosha

That’s what I mean there. I would have held my nose and voted for the Greenie, but I would much rather have a pragmatic Socialist.

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Eventual Carrion  May 23, 2016 • 7:35:55am

re: #165 Ziggy_TARDIS

Direct Democracy looks great on paper, but essentially, that means constant referendums, and things like the Banning of Minarets in Switzerland. Representative Democracy works best.

So you’re saying the purity search is still on?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 23, 2016 • 7:35:59am

Personally speaking, as a teacher, I would never want to work in a school where both teachers and students are allowed to pack heat. Working in a war zone might be marginally safer.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 7:36:08am

re: #169 lawhawk

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They just can’t admit that he’s losing and by a considerable amount.

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lawhawk  May 23, 2016 • 7:36:20am

Pho me down…

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 7:37:32am

re: #172 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Personally speaking, as a teacher, I would never want to work in a school where both teachers and students are allowed to pack heat. Working in a war zone might be marginally safer.

I get the impression that people who advocate for guns in schools haven’t been in schools in a long time. You’ve been in a classroom, you know as I do that they’re somewhat cramped areas. Anyone who thinks guns in schools will prevent school shootings is a fucking moron.

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Timothy Watson  May 23, 2016 • 7:37:34am

re: #174 lawhawk

Pho me down…

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Have the RWNJs gone crazy about this trip to Vietnam yet?

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Oblongatis  May 23, 2016 • 7:37:41am

re: #98 goddamnedfrank

I think they call that whiskey.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 7:37:54am

re: #174 lawhawk

Pho me down…

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Pho sure but a Banh Mi would also be good.

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Nojay UK  May 23, 2016 • 7:38:18am

re: #162 Dark_Falcon

Clarification before I go: There are left-of-center parties that can govern effectively, but ‘Green’ parties seldom qualify. They focus too much on symbolism and purity and not enough on effectiveness.

So, just like the GOP? Symbolism, check. Purity, check. Effectiveness (lack thereof), check check check.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 7:39:07am

re: #179 Nojay UK

So, just like the GOP? Symbolism, check. Purity, check. Effectiveness (lack thereof), check check check.

Snap.

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Alyosha  May 23, 2016 • 7:39:46am

re: #170 Ziggy_TARDIS

I don’t agree with much of the Green platform, but I’ve never held my nose. YMMV.

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Great White Snark  May 23, 2016 • 7:40:03am

re: #178 HappyWarrior

Pho sure but a Banh Mi would also be good.

I see what you did there.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 23, 2016 • 7:40:09am

re: #174 lawhawk

WaPo reported that the arms embargo to Vietnam has been lifted, I guess to coincide with Obama’s visit.

China will undoubtedly complain, express its hurt feelings and threaten severe consequences maybe in the future if those arms are used.

The South China Sea is the 21st century’s answer to 1950’s Indo-China, except this time the imperial power is not European, but Chinese.

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lawhawk  May 23, 2016 • 7:40:21am

re: #176 Timothy Watson

Well, he’s stopping at Hiroshima, so that’s getting their knickers in a twist.

And Obama has opened up military sales to Vietnam, which is a first in decades (have to go back to pre collapse of South Vietnam for the last time the US could sell military weapons to the Vietnamese).

So, I’m sure the right will overlook the latter to focus on the former (especially to read into anything Obama says as an apology).

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  May 23, 2016 • 7:40:27am

re: #150 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Long story short:

Black student and White student(friends), send text messages back and forth to each other. Teenage boys ribbing each other. White student sends racially insensitive texts. Black student sends misogynistic texts about White students sister. Black students mother and uncle see texts, get upset. Withdraw and sue school for “promoting racist environment” Media jumps on it and out of context spreads racist school message around (Thanks Shaun King). NAACP protests, more people jump out of woodwork to claim harassment.

Little more context:
Black students mother was actually satisfied with way school handled situation. Now lawyer says there was no response-complete lie-I sat in on the meeting. Uncle had his own agenda. When withdrawal from school occurred, family owed money on tuition. Can’t release transcripts until release. Lawsuit only occurred because they didn’t want to pay the money IMO.

The school had an internal Culture and Climate committee a few years ago that I was a part of. Handled an internal response to many forms of bullying, as effective as we could. Really focused on racial and homophobic harassment. I felt we did as good a job as we could. An administration that authorizes this committee, and gives it power would only be accused of fostering racial harassment by idiots.

Shit still happens, okay. In the meantime, a new School Life and Culture committee has been created to be more active, proactive, and powerful than the former committee. I am also a member of that committee, as well as some members of the School Board of Trustees and others from the community. Among them, an individual that works with issues of diversity at a major corporation in the southeast, a former guidance counselor at a “Majority-minority” High School(My HS Guidance counselor), and the lead DJ at the city’s Hip-Hop radio station. The school is taking this very seriously. And while there are good people calling out discrimination and racism, in this case they have just hitched their wagon to the wrong horse.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2016 • 7:41:09am

The Supreme Court has thrown out a death sentence handed to a black man in Georgia because prosecutors improperly kept African-Americans off the jury that convicted him of killing a white woman.

The justices ruled 7-1 Monday in favor of death row inmate Timothy Tyrone Foster in underscoring the importance of rules they laid out in 1986 to prevent racial discrimination in the selection of juries.

Chief Justice John Roberts wrote for the court that Georgia “prosecutors were motivated in substantial part by race” when they struck African-Americans from the jury pool.

But the court did nothing to limit lawyers’ discretionary decisions to reject potential jurors, a practice that the late Thurgood Marshall once said would allow racial discrimination to persist in jury selection,

The outcome probably will enable Foster to win a new trial, 29 years after he was sentenced to death.

Justice Clarence Thomas dissented, saying he would have respected the decisions of state judges who sided with prosecutors and rejected Foster’s claims.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 7:42:15am

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Something I doubt would have happened if the racist Scalia was still on the court. Well seeing it’s 7-1 maybe still but glad to see this nonetheless.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 23, 2016 • 7:42:37am

re: #181 Alyosha

I think if I had to vote for a Green, I would.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 23, 2016 • 7:43:24am

re: #175 HappyWarrior

I get the impression that people who advocate for guns in schools haven’t been in schools in a long time. You’ve been in a classroom, you know as I do that they’re somewhat cramped areas. Anyone who thinks guns in schools will prevent school shootings is a fucking moron.

One of my friends (a mild mannered fellow) taught science in one of the rougher high schools in Louisville. A boy once had him up against the wall, threatening to bash his head in. Now imagine this scenario with a handgun, or two.

Yeah. Fucking morons.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 23, 2016 • 7:43:30am

re: #171 Eventual Carrion

Purity is overrated.

I am just very leery of Greens having much power.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 7:43:35am

re: #188 Ziggy_TARDIS

I think if I had to vote for a Green, I would.

Given the choice between a Green and a Far rightist, I choose the Green without even thinking about it. The Green may be naive but the far right is dangerous and authoritarian.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2016 • 7:44:31am

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Timothy Watson  May 23, 2016 • 7:44:36am

re: #184 lawhawk

Well, he’s stopping at Hiroshima, so that’s getting their knickers in a twist.

And Obama has opened up military sales to Vietnam, which is a first in decades (have to go back to pre collapse of South Vietnam for the last time the US could sell military weapons to the Vietnamese).

So, I’m sure the right will overlook the latter to focus on the former (especially to read into anything Obama says as an apology).

I am waiting on the “Obama is arming our enemies” meme to start back up with the sales to Vietnam…

Never mind that it helps American companies and puts CHYNA!!1! on notice, and warms relations with a country that was fighting with China as recently as 1990.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 7:44:38am

re: #189 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

One of my friends (a mild mannered fellow) taught science in one of the rougher high schools in Louisville. A boy once had him up against the wall, threatening to bash his head in. Now imagine this scenario with a handgun, or two.

Yeah. Fucking morons.

Yikes but yeah.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 23, 2016 • 7:44:54am

re: #191 HappyWarrior

Very true. I would just wish that it would not get to that point.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 23, 2016 • 7:45:28am

re: #184 lawhawk

Well, he’s stopping at Hiroshima, so that’s getting their knickers in a twist.

And Obama has opened up military sales to Vietnam, which is a first in decades (have to go back to pre collapse of South Vietnam for the last time the US could sell military weapons to the Vietnamese).

So, I’m sure the right will overlook the latter to focus on the former (especially to read into anything Obama says as an apology).

They will also overlook the strategic advantage in the USA arming Vietnam, while China attempts to seize most of the South China Sea.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 7:45:52am

re: #195 Ziggy_TARDIS

Very true. I would just wish that it would not get to that point.

Of course.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 7:46:32am

re: #196 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

They will also overlook the strategic advantage in the USA arming Vietnam, while China attempts to seize most of the South China Sea.

They’ll just see that we were once at war with Viietnam and Vietnam is a Communist state so ergo OBMUMMER IS ARMING THE REDS.

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Barefoot Grin  May 23, 2016 • 7:47:26am

re: #185 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Little more context:
Black students mother was actually satisfied with way school handled situation. Now lawyer says there was no response-complete lie-I sat in on the meeting. Uncle had his own agenda. When withdrawal from school occurred, family owed money on tuition. Can’t release transcripts until release. Lawsuit only occurred because they didn’t want to pay the money IMO.

The school had an internal Culture and Climate committee a few years ago that I was a part of. Handled an internal response to many forms of bullying, as effective as we could. Really focused on racial and homophobic harassment. I felt we did as good a job as we could. An administration that authorizes this committee, and gives it power would only be accused of fostering racial harassment by idiots.

Shit still happens, okay. In the meantime, a new School Life and Culture committee has been created to be more active, proactive, and powerful than the former committee. I am also a member of that committee, as well as some members of the School Board of Trustees and others from the community. Among them, an individual that works with issues of diversity at a major corporation in the southeast, a former guidance counselor at a “Majority-minority” High School(My HS Guidance counselor), and the lead DJ at the city’s Hip-Hop radio station. The school is taking this very seriously. And while there are good people calling out discrimination and racism, in this case they have just hitched their wagon to the wrong horse.

Interesting. The comments aren’t very helpful since it seems that few know the truth. Therefore they expand into critiques of the Catholic Church generally or, on the other side, apples and oranges comparisons with Bryan Station High School. LCHS was never on our radar when we lived there; our kids would probably have gone to Lafayette.

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2016 • 7:48:36am

re: #198 HappyWarrior

They’ll just see that we were once at war with Viietnam and Vietnam is a Communist state so ergo OBMUMMER IS ARMING THE REDS.

It’s all connected to Obama’s Muslim Brotherhood and establishing the gay secular Caliphate.

/

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 23, 2016 • 7:48:52am

re: #193 Timothy Watson

I am waiting on the “Obama is arming our enemies” meme to start back up with the sales to Vietnam…

Never mind that it helps American companies and puts CHYNA!!1! on notice, and warms relations with a country that was fighting with China as recently as 1990.

From what I gather, not having visited there myself yet, the Vietnamese are pretty chill about the USA now. I suspect our admitting so many war refugees after 1975 has a lot to do with that.

Contrast that to attitudes toward admitting Syrian or Afghan war refugees. Then wonder how warm those folks will feel about us in the years to come.

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Eventual Carrion  May 23, 2016 • 7:50:13am

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Scalia just transferred his essence into Thomas upon his death, didn’t he? That was why Thomas was always so quiet before Scalia died, he was just a mindless husk/shell waiting for the transfer.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 23, 2016 • 7:53:04am

I have just returned from the annual trek to the provincial capital for the pro forma health tests for foreign teachers. There is only one place we can go for these tests, and from our university that means a five hour bus trip each way, and an overnight stay. But, on the bright side, the university pays for all of it, including meals.

Anyways, I’m still alive and kicking, ready for another year of teaching English.

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2016 • 7:53:34am

Got some new furniture delivered Friday, which was great, but they forgot/couldn’t find/neglected to deliver the bureau that I also purchased some weeks ago.

Talked to the store and the warehouse Friday and neither seemed to have a sense of urgency about it. Waiting to hear from them today. Obviously, “mistakes were made” happens, and I don’t want to over-react. But I hope they seem more on the case than they were Friday.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  May 23, 2016 • 7:53:40am

re: #199 Barefoot Grin

Interesting. The comments aren’t very helpful since it seems that few know the truth. Therefore they expand into critiques of the Catholic Church generally or, on the other side, apples and oranges comparisons with Bryan Station High School. LCHS was never on our radar when we lived there; our kids would probably have gone to Lafayette.

Being the proud graduate of Bryan Station High School and the proud defender of Lexington Catholic puts me, as a black male in a very unique position. I have to defend one from racist attacks, and the other from attacks of racism. The key thing here is what is true and what is false. LC is not going to settle this case out of court, so the process will drag on. But every independent agency we’ve called in holds up what we did. Eventually this will pass.

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Barefoot Grin  May 23, 2016 • 8:01:35am

re: #205 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Being the proud graduate of Bryan Station High School and the proud defender of Lexington Catholic puts me, as a black male in a very unique position. I have to defend one from racist attacks, and the other from attacks of racism. The key thing here is what is true and what is false. LC is not going to settle this case out of court, so the process will drag on. But every independent agency we’ve called in holds up what we did. Eventually this will pass.

I really appreciate that you have shared this case. It’s a good reminder of how complicated matters can be. As for BSHS, demographically it reminded me of my own high school in Illinois, except BSHS is a much nicer facility. I know that Kentucky gets a lot of stereotyping as a state, but we found Fayette County’s schools and teachers to be very good. I’m sure the same is true of LCHS and that its community will benefit from the trauma of this moment as your new committee works to re-enforce the policies of the original committee.

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CuriousLurker  May 23, 2016 • 8:03:16am

Before your day gets filled with bad crazy & other BS, here’s a bit of preventative brain bleach in the form of a video, which will hopefully ward off the worst of it. The ducklings’ reunion with their very worried mama is too cute—she’s obviously relieved, but also sounds like she’s chewing them out:

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lawhawk  May 23, 2016 • 8:04:35am

The Baltimore prosecutors are now 0-2 in convicting the officers responsible for transporting Freddie Gray who died in their custody.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 8:05:37am

re: #208 lawhawk

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The Baltimore prosecutors are now 0-2 in convicting the officers responsible for transporting Freddie Gray who died in their custody.

Agh.

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2016 • 8:10:12am

re: #208 lawhawk

The Baltimore prosecutors are now 0-2 in convicting the officers responsible for transporting Freddie Gray who died in their custody.

The odds never looked good, as outrageous as the circumstances were. Difficult to pinpoint who did what and what happened. At the least you’d think they’d be liable for some form of negligence.

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lawhawk  May 23, 2016 • 8:17:15am

re: #210 Sir John Barron

The odds never looked good, as outrageous as the circumstances were. Difficult to pinpoint who did what and what happened. At the least you’d think they’d be liable for some form of negligence.

That’s very true. But the prosecutors led with what they thought were the strongest cases. With these failing to get convictions, the rest of the cases look just as bleak.

And it’s yet another reason why minorities see the justice system as fixed - the outcomes are predetermined with law enforcement getting benefit of doubt even before the grand jury sees any evidence. Prosecutors who work closely with law enforcement are going to give law enforcement the benefit of doubt, and judges often are biased in favor of law enforcement as well. Throw in juries that are selected often with favorable views towards law enforcement, and it’s a stacked deck. Blue lives matter.

But the lives of those being policed don’t matter nearly so much, and the tactics and training leaves much to be desired. Cop killings are down, but the media treats every one of those as a sign that the apocalypse is happening. Yet there’s no way to adequately track how many people are killed by cops every day. Because it really does happen pretty much daily.

Some of those are justified - but there’s a significant number that aren’t (where the individual is unarmed, let alone ones where the individual is mentally ill).

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2016 • 8:19:20am

re: #211 lawhawk

Prosecutors who work closely with law enforcement are going to give law enforcement the benefit of doubt, and judges often are biased in favor of law enforcement as well.

Yup

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2016 • 8:19:53am

re: #211 lawhawk

But the prosecutors led with what they thought were the strongest cases. With these failing to get convictions, the rest of the cases look just as bleak.

Ah. Yeah, not good.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2016 • 8:20:54am

LOL! 20,000 at Irvine!!11!!

Funny how the very same crowd was only 8,000 in Pittsburgh in March…

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Jenner7  May 23, 2016 • 8:22:18am

Bernie attracts 20,000 at rally, still losing primary. News at 11.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 8:23:44am

re: #214 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL! 20,000 at Irvine!!11!!

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So they’re resorting to Fox News tactics? Okay so Bernie gets a big crowd. That’s nice. Too bad for him it hasn’t translated to votes. And quite frankly that crowd is lily white.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2016 • 8:26:04am

re: #208 lawhawk

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 23, 2016 • 8:26:53am

I just had a thought on this:

The far left and far right candidates wiped out the moderates on each side.

This is likely what a Sanders-Trump Election would look like.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  May 23, 2016 • 8:27:53am

re: #214 Backwoods_Sleuth

Didn’t realize people in Irvine brought signs to rallies that say “Pittsburgh feels the Bern”

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Belafon  May 23, 2016 • 8:28:24am

re: #218 Ziggy_TARDIS

I just had a thought on this:

The far left and far right candidates wiped out the moderates on each side.

This is likely what a Sanders-Trump Election would look like.

I don’t know enough about Austria. What has driven the election to cause the extreme sides to win?

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Timothy Watson  May 23, 2016 • 8:29:30am

re: #220 Belafon

I don’t know enough about Austria. What has driven the election to cause the extreme sides to win?

Refugees.

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Jenner7  May 23, 2016 • 8:29:47am
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The Vicious Babushka  May 23, 2016 • 8:34:30am

This is the most incoherent Tossed Word Salad you will read all day==>

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Jenner7  May 23, 2016 • 8:35:15am

Not guilty of “reckless endangerment” ??? He put him in the van unrestrained, didn’t he?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 23, 2016 • 8:35:18am

One of my pastimes on my five-hour bus rides to and from Changsha was listening to George Gershwin’s classical works.

The man was a genius who died much too soon.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2016 • 8:36:54am

Effective this Friday (May 27).
I’m sure rumors are flying fast and furious.

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Testy Toad T  May 23, 2016 • 8:37:12am

I don’t totally understand what happened to the ratfuckers at Salon. I feel like it represented a relatively mainstream liberal view for basically its entire existence, then I blinked and it’s all Nader-esque burn-everything-down we’re-white-males-who-will-survive-anyway claptrap bullshit.

When did this happen?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2016 • 8:37:51am

re: #226 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Effective this Friday (May 27).
I’m sure rumors are flying fast and furious.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 8:38:14am

re: #223 The Vicious Babushka

This is the most incoherent Tossed Word Salad you will read all day==>

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Fucking Quislings.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 8:39:12am

re: #219 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Didn’t realize people in Irvine brought signs to rallies that say “Pittsburgh feels the Bern”

Well Pittsburghers do travel well.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 23, 2016 • 8:40:10am

re: #229 HappyWarrior

Salon should be ignored.

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lawhawk  May 23, 2016 • 8:46:25am

Fuckers. Absolutely screwing with people with this kind of stuff:

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Nyet  May 23, 2016 • 8:47:12am

OK, I didn’t know that.

For decades in art circles it was either a rumour or a joke, but now it is confirmed as a fact. The Central Intelligence Agency used American modern art - including the works of such artists as Jackson Pollock, Robert Motherwell, Willem de Kooning and Mark Rothko - as a weapon in the Cold War. In the manner of a Renaissance prince - except that it acted secretly - the CIA fostered and promoted American Abstract Expressionist painting around the world for more than 20 years.

independent.co.uk

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 23, 2016 • 8:49:11am

re: #233 Nyet

I am mildly disappointed that they promoted the “random stuff as art” movement.

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wrenchwench  May 23, 2016 • 8:55:25am

re: #103 Gargravarr

Welcome, hatchling.

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Jenner7  May 23, 2016 • 8:56:06am

Wow.

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lawhawk  May 23, 2016 • 8:57:07am
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Belafon  May 23, 2016 • 8:58:05am

re: #236 Jenner7

Wow.

For those of us who are twitter denied, what does it say?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2016 • 8:59:42am

re: #238 Belafon

For those of us who are twitter denied, what does it say?

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Jenner7  May 23, 2016 • 9:00:11am

re: #238 Belafon

“Being falsely charged with a crime, and being prosecuted for reasons that have nothing to do with justice, is a horror that no person should ever have to endure.”

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SteelPH  May 23, 2016 • 9:00:14am

re: #238 Belafon

For those of us who are twitter denied, what does it say?

This:

Being falsely charged with a crime, and being prosecuted for reasons that have nothing to do with justice, is a horror no person should ever have to endure.

Vomit.

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CuriousLurker  May 23, 2016 • 9:01:19am

Remember when I posted this on Friday?

The follow-up sucks. :(

From the BBC article:

In one tweet dating from November 2012, she wrote: “Hitler didn’t kill all the Jews, he left some. So we know why he was killing them.”

And in another Facebook post from March 2014, she used an expletive to describe Jews before adding: “I hate them so much.”

After these and other statements emerged, Ms Belkhiri deleted all her social media accounts. […]

On Saturday, Ms Belkhiri returned to Twitter seemingly seeking to justify her anti-Semitic remarks.

“My opinion many years ago was meant on the zionist back then, that spread hate instead of love so to all the other jews peace be upon you!” she wrote as well as retweeting a YouTube video in which two friends dressed as an Orthodox Jew and a Muslim in Arabic clothes walk through New York to test the public’s reaction. […]

I guess no one taught her this:

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2016 • 9:01:40am

re: #239 Backwoods_Sleuth

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OFFS

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Romantic Heretic  May 23, 2016 • 9:01:57am

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thomas has one of the worst cases of Stockholm Syndrome I’ve ever seen.

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wrenchwench  May 23, 2016 • 9:02:59am

re: #233 Nyet

OK, I didn’t know that.

independent.co.uk

First logical explanation I’ve seen for Mark Rothko.

//Sorry Mark, I’m an ignoramus.

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No Depression  May 23, 2016 • 9:05:59am

re: #236 Jenner7

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Wow.

Police organizations should learn to shut the fuck up after police trials. They almost always make themselves look bad with their statements because their sense of entitlement and cluelessness are so baked into police culture that they inevitably seep through in their official communications to the public.

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Timothy Watson  May 23, 2016 • 9:06:17am

re: #242 CuriousLurker

Sigh, cognitive dissonance isn’t unique to Americans I guess.

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Romantic Heretic  May 23, 2016 • 9:07:08am

re: #193 Timothy Watson

I am waiting on the “Obama is arming our enemies” meme to start back up with the sales to Vietnam…

Never mind that it helps American companies and puts CHYNA!!1! on notice, and warms relations with a country that was fighting with China as recently as 1990.

I was just commenting on an article I saw over at Facebook, where the US lost a tank combat competition in Europe

Half the comments were of the “It’s all Obama’s fault.”

So yeah, they’ll blame him for any arms sales to Vietnam. Because that Kenyan socialist is responsible for everything bad in America!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2016 • 9:08:30am

re: #237 lawhawk

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wrenchwench  May 23, 2016 • 9:10:16am

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That tweet contains the three most hated RWNJ things: arts, sciences, and Planned Parenthood.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 23, 2016 • 9:11:41am

re: #248 Romantic Heretic

I think we need to clean out the US Officer Corps. That seems to be the root of a lot of problems in the military.

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lawhawk  May 23, 2016 • 9:11:43am
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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 9:14:36am

re: #252 lawhawk

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Why didn’t he get six, this is unfair!

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Jenner7  May 23, 2016 • 9:14:51am

re: #252 lawhawk

Let’s see what comes out of Bernie’s mouth now. It better be conciliatory.

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No Depression  May 23, 2016 • 9:15:26am

re: #254 Jenner7

Let’s see what comes out of Bernie’s mouth now. It better be conciliatory.

I’m not holding my breath.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 9:16:03am

re: #254 Jenner7

Let’s see what comes out of Bernie’s mouth now. It better be conciliatory.

I would hope so.

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Testy Toad T  May 23, 2016 • 9:17:41am

re: #251 Ziggy_TARDIS

I think we need to clean out the US Officer Corps. That seems to be the root of a lot of problems in the military.

What does this even mean, random capitalization aside? Might as well go “break up the banks” while you’re at it, if you’re interested in dealing in useless platitudes.

As an aside, yes, I’m sure it’s all of the highly educated uniformed service members who are incubating the worst of the bad crazy. Because that totally makes sense.

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Targetpractice  May 23, 2016 • 9:20:20am

re: #254 Jenner7

Let’s see what comes out of Bernie’s mouth now. It better be conciliatory.

I wouldn’t hold my breath.

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Belafon  May 23, 2016 • 9:24:45am

re: #254 Jenner7

Let’s see what comes out of Bernie’s mouth now. It better be conciliatory.

I’m more interested in what will come out of the mouths of the extreme Sanders supporters.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 23, 2016 • 9:27:32am

re: #257 Testy Toad T

It’s difficult to explain. It seems the push for things like the F-35 and F-22 are being made at Higher Levels not aware of how things will end up working in reality, along failing to learn from history, and not repeat it.

We should be skilled enough to at least make a showing in the Competition, so there is some problem going on.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 9:27:41am

re: #259 Belafon

I’m more interested in what will come out of the mouths of the extreme Sanders supporters.

They’re too busy seeing fraud everywhere.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2016 • 9:28:20am
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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 9:28:52am

re: #260 Ziggy_TARDIS

It’s difficult to explain. It seems the push for things like the F-35 and F-22 are being made at Higher Levels not aware of how things will end up working in reality, along failing to learn from history, and not repeat it.

We should be skilled enough to at least make a showing in the Competition, so there is some problem going on.

What’s that have to do with the officer corps though? Our military academies and ROTC programs specifically are there to train people who want to have a career as military officers. So I share the confusion to what you meant by cleaning out the officer corps.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2016 • 9:29:14am
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Romantic Heretic  May 23, 2016 • 9:29:53am

re: #251 Ziggy_TARDIS

I think we need to clean out the US Officer Corps. That seems to be the root of a lot of problems in the military.

My opinion, which I stated on Facebook, is that the armed forces have different functions in Europe and America.

In Europe the armed forces are about national security, protecting the nation. Because unlike America they actually do have a credible threat in Russia. They can’t afford to fuck around.

In the US the armed forces is about economics. It’s about filling the bottom lines of large corporations and making sure tax money is spread around to provide ‘private sector jobs’ to the nation. Since America is protected by two oceans they have no threatening neighbours.

Also I think the American armed forces still suffer from the heavy hand of Robert McNamara. McNamara tried to make war ‘rational’. To him running a war was like running an assembly line. It could and should be subject to measurement and calculation. These things can help but the core of war is psychological. It can be known but not measured.

This is the reasoning behind body counts, throw weights and other military minutiae. The idea is that you can somehow measure your way to victory.

Between these two things the US military, in my opinion, doesn’t get bang for its buck. Its power is less than it could be and its effectiveness is limited considering its size.

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Testy Toad T  May 23, 2016 • 9:30:38am

re: #260 Ziggy_TARDIS

…you know what, never mind.

I can recognize what discussions do and don’t have a snowball’s chance of being productive or thoughtful.

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wrenchwench  May 23, 2016 • 9:31:20am

A frog, a kitteh, and some chickens have cameos.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 9:32:52am

re: #267 wrenchwench

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A frog, a kitteh, and some chickens have cameos.

Some pretty good girl skaters, surfers, and snowboarders too. We’re totally expecting my niece to follow in her dad’s footsteps and become a good extreme athlete.

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wrenchwench  May 23, 2016 • 9:34:45am

re: #268 HappyWarrior

Some pretty good girl skaters, surfers, and snowboarders too. We’re totally expecting my niece to follow in her dad’s footsteps and become a good extreme athlete.

It ain’t for everyone, but those whom it is for, are not sorted by gender.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 23, 2016 • 9:36:02am

re: #265 Romantic Heretic

That’s what I see too, though I will note that we must not fall to the delusion that we can some how keep the world out. We tried that after WWI, and it did not work. We need the forces to be able to support our allies.

We should be smarter about our interventions, but be willing to do so as well. South Sudan is a very good example, and, if I am being honest, I think we will end up in Syria in a much bigger way at some point.

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Belafon  May 23, 2016 • 9:38:47am

re: #261 HappyWarrior

They’re too busy seeing fraud everywhere.

Exactly. If Sanders compromises now, will there be some dirt Clinton had on him to shut him up, or was he just part of the corporatcracy to draw them in?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 23, 2016 • 9:39:21am

re: #266 Testy Toad T

Well, no. I admit I am not as good on this. But I am troubled by how poor our acquisition process is, and how we are effectiveness is not anywhere near as good as it could be.

That frustrates me, and considering what we see out of the Air Force, I thought it came from the Officers. If I am wrong, I am open to listening.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 9:41:17am

re: #269 wrenchwench

It ain’t for everyone, but those whom it is for, are not sorted by gender.

Certainly. I mean Bethany Hamilton can surf better than I can and she only has one arm. Anyone who thinks gender automatically disqualifies someone’s athletic ability is an idiot.

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Timothy Watson  May 23, 2016 • 9:42:38am

re: #260 Ziggy_TARDIS

It’s difficult to explain. It seems the push for things like the F-35 and F-22 are being made at Higher Levels not aware of how things will end up working in reality, along failing to learn from history, and not repeat it.

Military procurement has as much to do with Congress as the military command.

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Ming5000  May 23, 2016 • 9:43:12am

re: #273 HappyWarrior

For those who have not seen this. It is an awesome video.

Always #LikeAGirl

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Timothy Watson  May 23, 2016 • 9:46:05am

To say “these people whine more than women” would (not only be sexist but) insulting to women. I am sure that women go through childbirth with less whining than comes out of the typical Republican/conservative:

Republicans in the Virginia General Assembly will file suit today in the Supreme Court of Virginia challenging Gov. Terry McAuliffe’s authority to order a mass restoration of rights April 22, covering more than 200,000 felons who have served their time.

The lawsuit, led by Speaker of the House William J. Howell, R-Stafford, and Senate Majority Leader Thomas K. Norment, Jr., R-James City, argues that McAuliffe exceeded his executive authority under the state constitution when he issued the order.

“The Constitution of Virginia forbids this unprecedented assertion of executive authority,” the filing states. “Governor McAuliffe’s executive order defies the plain text of the Constitution, flouts the separation of powers, and has no precedent in the annals of Virginia history. The governor simply may not, with a stroke of the pen, unilaterally suspend and amend the Constitution.”

richmond.com

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 9:48:35am

re: #276 Timothy Watson

To say “these people whine more than women” would (not only be sexist but) insulting to women. I am sure that women go through childbirth with less whining than comes out of the typical Republican/conservative:

richmond.com

Who was the comedian who said it was silly to call someone a pussy because vaginas are strong and then mentioned that penii and balls are weak because of how sensitive that area is when we’re kicked there. That really is a bunch of whiny crap though. The funny thing is Misters Howell and Norment’s party have zero problem with allowing felons or the mentally disturbed to own weapons but nope the second they may be able to participate via voting in our Republic, all bets are off.

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Belafon  May 23, 2016 • 9:48:51am

re: #276 Timothy Watson

To say “these people whine more than women” would (not only be sexist but) insulting to women. I am sure that women go through childbirth with less whining than comes out of the typical Republican/conservative:

richmond.com

We could either use “whine(s) more than a jet engine” or “whine(s) more than NAPA valley.”

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 23, 2016 • 9:49:24am

re: #252 lawhawk

Dem’s will never learn…

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Belafon  May 23, 2016 • 9:50:21am

re: #277 HappyWarrior

Who was the comedian who said it was silly to call someone a pussy because vaginas are strong and then mentioned that penii and balls are weak because of how sensitive that area is when we’re kicked there. That really is a bunch of whiny crap though. The funny thing is Misters Howell and Norment’s party have zero problem with allowing felons or the mentally disturbed to own weapons but nope the second they may be able to participate via voting in our Republic, all bets are off.

They’re being consistent. Keeping felons (ie, blacks) from voting helps them. Putting guns in felon’s hands scares the rubes and pays the gun industry, keeping them in power.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 23, 2016 • 9:51:46am

re: #274 Timothy Watson

I am interested to know why we have this loop where, every so often, someone, either in the military or Congress, decides we need to do a One-Size-Fits all thing and tries to create a Multi-Role Platform that ends up being ineffective.

You would think we would have learned from the F-111.

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Timothy Watson  May 23, 2016 • 9:52:08am

FYI: The provision of the Constitution of Virginia simply states “No person who has been convicted of a felony shall be qualified to vote unless his civil rights have been restored by the Governor or other appropriate authority.”

Nowhere does it dictate when or how the Governor goes about restoring the rights.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 23, 2016 • 9:54:12am

re: #262 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bleach and ammonia are cleaning materials. Just saying.

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2016 • 9:55:29am

re: #282 Timothy Watson

FYI: The provision of the Constitution of Virginia simply states “No person who has been convicted of a felony shall be qualified to vote unless his civil rights have been restored by the Governor or other appropriate authority.”

Nowhere does it dictate when or how the Governor goes about restoring the rights.

But…other appropriate authority!!!!!111 The Governor needs other appropriate authority which is US!!!!!111

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Belafon  May 23, 2016 • 9:56:31am

re: #284 Sir John Barron

But…other appropriate authority!!!!!111 The Governor needs other appropriate authority which is US!!!!!111

OR means AND!

//

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Timothy Watson  May 23, 2016 • 9:58:04am

re: #285 Belafon

OR means AND!

//

I was trying to think up an inclusive OR/exclusive OR joke but was coming up with nothing.

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Belafon  May 23, 2016 • 9:59:51am

re: #286 Timothy Watson

I was trying to think up an inclusive OR/exclusive OR joke but was coming up with nothing.

The other comment that popped into my head was “they must all be computer programmers” but I really didn’t want to be lumped in with them.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  May 23, 2016 • 10:02:10am

re: #285 Belafon

OR means AND!

//

Tempted to downding this one.
:P

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2016 • 10:03:13am

re: #283 The Vicious Babushka

Bleach and ammonia are cleaning materials. Just saying.

my exact thought earlier.

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2016 • 10:03:29am

re: #273 HappyWarrior

Certainly. I mean Bethany Hamilton can surf better than I can and she only has one arm. Anyone who thinks gender automatically disqualifies someone’s athletic ability is an idiot.

I was visiting Hawaii not long after Bethany Hamilton had her arm bitten off by a shark (Hamilton lives, or lived, in Hawaii). So I’ve followed her story somewhat over the years. She still surfs. I’d be traumatized for life.

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lawhawk  May 23, 2016 • 10:03:29am

So, NYPD officer who previously made news sleepwalking and assaulting a woman, has now gotten himself into DUI trouble. Again. He crashed his car into a bunch of parked cars before flipping his own.

Police say behind the wheel was Donnelly - and this is not the first time he has found himself on the wrong side of the law.

The New York Post obtained video of him leaving a Bronx building moments after he allegedly attacked a woman in her apartment in 2014. Donnelly runs out to the street and try to get back inside the building, only to be locked out. Prosecutors say he was drunk when he broke into that woman’s apartment, and repeatedly punched her. Donnelly says he was sleepwalking.

Donnelly was charged with assault and burglary in the 2014 incident. On Sunday morning, he was charged with DWI. Donnelly suffered minor injuries. No one else was hurt in the crash.

He was released on his own recognizance and is expected back in court next month.

He was released on bail.

Bail is meant to assure that the suspect shows for court appearances, but it’s also not recommended when the person poses a threat to the community.

It’s clear that he poses a threat, mostly from what sounds like a pretty nasty drinking problem. This is a guy who has a badge and gun.

He should have neither. There’s no way to know how much of his judgment is impaired when on the job, and this latest incident goes to show that he can’t be trusted to be a member of law enforcement.

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wrenchwench  May 23, 2016 • 10:06:43am

No, I will NOT take this as a message to look again at Gary Johnson:

I think he IS conservative. Maybe not enough for NRO, but still, too much for me.

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Targetpractice  May 23, 2016 • 10:09:35am

re: #292 wrenchwench

No, I will NOT take this as a message to look again at Gary Johnson:

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I think he IS conservative. Maybe not enough for NRO, but still, too much for me.

#NeverTrump has found themselves in a bind: Johnson is more the guy they wanted but couldn’t run, but they’re now wed to Trump if they want to get anywhere near the White House.

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lawhawk  May 23, 2016 • 10:12:03am
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sagehen  May 23, 2016 • 10:12:21am

re: #272 Ziggy_TARDIS

Well, no. I admit I am not as good on this. But I am troubled by how poor our acquisition process is, and how we are effectiveness is not anywhere near as good as it could be.

That frustrates me, and considering what we see out of the Air Force, I thought it came from the Officers. If I am wrong, I am open to listening.

You are wrong.

F-22 components are manufactured in more than 2 dozen congressional districts. The manufacturer set it up that way deliberately so that more than 2 dozen members of congress would be highly incentivized to insist the military purchase more than the Pentagon even wants. Same for the F-35. And at least one kind of tank, and several hand-held individual weapons…

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 23, 2016 • 10:13:21am

re: #295 lawhawk

Also, their panel for the Story is whiter than a Blizzard.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 23, 2016 • 10:14:25am

re: #296 sagehen

Thank you for informing me of that.

Are there any sort of reforms that can fix it?

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Timothy Watson  May 23, 2016 • 10:16:11am

re: #296 sagehen

You are wrong.

F-22 components are manufactured in more than 2 dozen congressional districts. The manufacturer set it up that way deliberately so that more than 2 dozen members of congress would be highly incentivized to insist the military purchase more than the Pentagon even wants. Same for the F-35. And at least one kind of tank, and several hand-held individual weapons…

Yep, the parts for the B-1 Lancer were made in 49 different states.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 23, 2016 • 10:16:48am

re: #299 Timothy Watson

I’m guessing Hawaii was left out.

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Decatur Deb  May 23, 2016 • 10:17:03am

re: #298 Ziggy_TARDIS

Thank you for informing me of that.

Are there any sort of reforms that can fix it?

Explore this DoD school. It will tell you more than you ever wanted to know:

dau.mil

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  May 23, 2016 • 10:18:55am

re: #301 Decatur Deb

Explore this DoD school. It will tell you more than you ever wanted to know:

dau.mil

Defense Acquisition University?

Good grief…

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KerFuFFler  May 23, 2016 • 10:22:09am

re: #245 wrenchwench

First logical explanation I’ve seen for Mark Rothko.

//Sorry Mark, I’m an ignoramus.

I actually like Rothko, but de Kooning…..bleccchhhh! Staring at a Rothko can be a meditative experience. De Kooning’s canvasses are so aggressively ugly I have to look away. I guess I don’t like glorifying anger and hate even if he was being genuinely expressive.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  May 23, 2016 • 10:24:29am
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Dave In Austin  May 23, 2016 • 10:25:57am

re: #304 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Where’s Waldo?

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The Vicious Babushka  May 23, 2016 • 10:28:03am

WATCH AS INSANE SCREAMING WINGNUT IS ESCORTED OUT OF TARGET BY SECURITY TEAM

Target Protester Encounters Resistant Customers

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 10:28:09am

re: #292 wrenchwench

No, I will NOT take this as a message to look again at Gary Johnson:

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I think he IS conservative. Maybe not enough for NRO, but still, too much for me.

I think NRO has a problem with Johnson since he’s not a total socon. Their idea of libertarianism is Glenn Beck’s idea where you’re anti-choice, anti-immigrant, anti-gay, and pretty much a conservative but too chicken to say it.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 10:29:14am

re: #306 The Vicious Babushka

WATCH AS INSANE SCREAMING WINGNUT IS ESCORTED OUT OF TARGET BY SECURITY TEAM

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Video

Fucker really needs to get laid.

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Belafon  May 23, 2016 • 10:30:26am

re: #306 The Vicious Babushka

WATCH AS INSANE SCREAMING WINGNUT IS ESCORTED OUT OF TARGET BY SECURITY TEAM

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I can’t watch the video at work, but good on any anyone who interrupts someone protesting Target’s policy.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 23, 2016 • 10:30:32am
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The Vicious Babushka  May 23, 2016 • 10:31:11am

Here is Trump making that SEEKRIT HAND SIGNAL that Obama once made and wingnuts lost their shit about. Who remembers this “Seekrit Hand Signal”?

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Kragar  May 23, 2016 • 10:31:49am

re: #306 The Vicious Babushka

Should have tased him

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The Vicious Babushka  May 23, 2016 • 10:31:50am

Wow you can really see how short and stumpy his fingers are in that Seekrit Hand Signal.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 10:32:36am

re: #311 The Vicious Babushka

Here is Trump making that SEEKRIT HAND SIGNAL that Obama once made and wingnuts lost their shit about. Who remembers this “Seekrit Hand Signal”?

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NOT TRUMP TOO! But yes I remember the freakouts about Obama’s finger gestures.

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sagehen  May 23, 2016 • 10:32:52am

re: #313 The Vicious Babushka

Wow you can really see how short and stumpy his fingers are in that Seekrit Hand Signal.

When I was in high school, that hand signal meant “L for you’re a loser”.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 23, 2016 • 10:33:05am

re: #312 Kragar

Should have tased him

I WILL SUE YOU!! I WILL SUE ALL OF YOU!!! TARGET IS TEH STAN!!! TARGET IS GOING TO HE****EEEEE****ZZZZZZ****EEEEEEE****ZZZZZ

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KerFuFFler  May 23, 2016 • 10:33:19am

re: #311 The Vicious Babushka

Here is Trump making that SEEKRIT HAND SIGNAL that Obama once made and wingnuts lost their shit about. Who remembers this “Seekrit Hand Signal”?

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I don’t remember the hand signal, but I do remember the “terrorist fist bump”.

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Timothy Watson  May 23, 2016 • 10:34:14am

re: #315 sagehen

When I was in high school, that hand signal meant “L for you’re a loser”.

I was just thinking of that Smash Mouth song: “She was looking kind of dumb, with her finger and her thumb/In the shape of an ‘L’ on her forehead”

(I’ll spare you the video of that song.)

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 10:34:43am

re: #317 KerFuFFler

I don’t remember the hand signal, but I do remember the “terrorist fist bump”.

Oh Greta.

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wrenchwench  May 23, 2016 • 10:34:47am

re: #303 KerFuFFler

I actually like Rothko, de Kooning…..bleccchhhh! Staring at a Rothko can be a meditative experience. De Kooning’s canvasses are so aggressively ugly I have to look away. I guess I don’t like glorifying anger and hate even if he was being genuinely expressive.

I was taken to a Rothko retrospective when I was young. His shapes seemed to stay the same through the years, but the colors grew darker and darker. I almost laughed out loud when I read at the end that he had committed suicide. Now I’ve felt bad about that for almost as long as he lived.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 23, 2016 • 10:35:06am

re: #314 HappyWarrior

NOT TRUMP TOO! But yes I remember the freakouts about Obama’s finger gestures.

It was ISLAMIC TERRIST SIGNALS!!11!!

Meanwhile:

Evangelicals think Trump uses secret hand signals to show he’s really a devout Christian

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The Vicious Babushka  May 23, 2016 • 10:35:08am

re: #317 KerFuFFler

I don’t remember the hand signal, but I do remember the “terrorist fist bump”.

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Reality Based Steve  May 23, 2016 • 10:35:46am

re: #318 Timothy Watson

I was just thinking of that Smash Mouth song: “She was looking kind of dumb, with her finger and her thumb/In the shape of an ‘L’ on her forehead”

(I’ll spare you the video of that song.)

Pro Tip: when you do that, before you put your hand up to the your forehead, hold your hand infront of your face. If it looks like a “L” to you, you’re doing it wrong.

RBS

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2016 • 10:36:26am

heh

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 10:36:30am

re: #321 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It was ISLAMIC TERRIST SIGNALS!!11!!

Meanwhile:

Evangelicals think Trump uses secret hand signals to show he’s really a devout Christian

Heh of course.

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lawhawk  May 23, 2016 • 10:38:04am

Trump:

I was for Khadafi before I was against Qaddafi.

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wrenchwench  May 23, 2016 • 10:38:12am

re: #323 Reality Based Steve

Pro Tip: when you do that, before you put your hand up to the your forehead, hold your hand infront of your face. If it looks like a “L” to you, you’re doing it wrong.

RBS

Wait a minute. ‘Pro Tip’ for Losers?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 23, 2016 • 10:38:50am

re: #323 Reality Based Steve

Pro Tip: when you do that, before you put your hand up to the your forehead, hold your hand infront of your face. If it looks like a “L” to you, you’re doing it wrong.

RBS

And don’t look in a mirror while you’re carving a “BO” into your face.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 10:39:14am

re: #326 lawhawk

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Trump:

I was for Khadafi before I was against Qaddafi.

Now imagine the reaction if this was Clinton doing that. But yeah let’s trust Trump on national security because he talks tough over someone who actually understands how national security works.

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Reality Based Steve  May 23, 2016 • 10:40:32am

re: #327 wrenchwench

Wait a minute. ‘Pro Tip’ for Losers?

Self-Contradicting?

RBS

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Timothy Watson  May 23, 2016 • 10:41:11am

re: #327 wrenchwench

Wait a minute. ‘Pro Tip’ for Losers?

For us professional losers out there.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 23, 2016 • 10:42:15am

re: #330 Reality Based Steve

Self-Contradicting?

RBS

Hey, lots of professionals lose, sometime a lot. Like everyone in Women’s Tennis not named Serena Williams, for example.
///

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wrenchwench  May 23, 2016 • 10:43:01am

re: #330 Reality Based Steve

Self-Contradicting?

RBS

If I have to spend any more time trying to figure it out, maybe not.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2016 • 10:44:47am
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Kragar  May 23, 2016 • 10:45:00am
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Not a Sparkly Vampire  May 23, 2016 • 10:46:47am

re: #334 Backwoods_Sleuth

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OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE!!ty.
Or something.
:P

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2016 • 10:47:50am

re: #306 The Vicious Babushka

WATCH AS INSANE SCREAMING WINGNUT IS ESCORTED OUT OF TARGET BY SECURITY TEAM

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IM BOYCOTTING TARGET THIS STORE TARGET IM BOYCOTTING WAIT WHY YOU THROWING ME OUT YOUR STORE TARGET!?!?!?!?!??!

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 10:48:05am

re: #335 Kragar

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Because God if God exists doesn’t care about how the whims of a bunch of fundamentalist zealots.

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Belafon  May 23, 2016 • 10:48:35am

re: #335 Kragar

Because it’s not His job. He never promised to save us from ourselves.

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Belafon  May 23, 2016 • 10:49:22am

And what if He’s a Clinton supporter?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 23, 2016 • 10:49:56am
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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 10:50:11am

re: #340 Belafon

And what if He’s a Clinton supporter?

Please, everyone knows that God is a Huckabee Cain Carson Cruz supporter.

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2016 • 10:51:07am

re: #306 The Vicious Babushka

WATCH AS INSANE SCREAMING WINGNUT IS ESCORTED OUT OF TARGET BY SECURITY TEAM

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It’s a crying shame wingnuts can’t be obnoxious and disturb customers at Target without some silly customer interfering.

//

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lawhawk  May 23, 2016 • 10:54:30am
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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 10:55:14am

re: #344 lawhawk

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Props.

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gocart mozart  May 23, 2016 • 10:55:17am
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No Depression  May 23, 2016 • 10:55:42am

re: #335 Kragar

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Because…

///

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CuriousLurker  May 23, 2016 • 10:56:20am

re: #321 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It was ISLAMIC TERRIST SIGNALS!!11!!

Meanwhile:

Evangelicals think Trump uses secret hand signals to show he’s really a devout Christian

Why not? After all, I’m pretty sure the Pope is a seekrit Moozlim.

The Catholics’ Commie Pope had a meeting with the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar today. They even embraced & kissed each other—ZOMG THE HORROR!!11!

Pope in historic talks with Grand Imam of Al-Azhar
Unexpected meeting between Francis and Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayeb followed easing of tensions during reign of Benedict.

Pope Francis has met the grand imam of Cairo’s Al-Azhar Mosque at the Vatican in a historic encounter that was sealed with a hugely symbolic hug and exchange of kisses.

The first Vatican meeting on Monday between the leader of the world’s Catholics and the highest authority in Sunni Islam marks the culmination of a significant improvement in relations between the two faiths since Francis took office in 2013.

“Our meeting is the message,” Francis said in a brief comment at the start of his meeting with Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayeb, Vatican officials told a small pool of reporters covering the event.

In a statement on the trip, Al-Azhar, an institution that also comprises a prestigious seat of learning, said Tayeb had accepted Francis’ invitation in order to “explore efforts to spread peace and co-existence”.

The “very cordial” meeting lasted around 30 minutes, the Vatican said in a statement after the talks. In all, the imam spent just over an hour at St Peter’s. […]

aljazeera.com

It’s almost as if @POTUS and @Pontifex are tag team trolling the wingnuts. LOL

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Lidane  May 23, 2016 • 10:57:30am

SEEKRIT HAND SIGNALS!

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Belafon  May 23, 2016 • 10:59:02am

re: #349 Lidane

SEEKRIT HAND SIGNALS!

So that’s why I count with my fingers pointing down! Now it all makes sense.

//

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2016 • 10:59:30am

re: #349 Lidane

SEEKRIT HAND SIGNALS!

It’s almost as if some Christian Evangelicals just see what they want to see.

/

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CuriousLurker  May 23, 2016 • 11:00:16am

re: #348 CuriousLurker

And I’ll bet there are Muslim wingnuts who think the Pope converted the Grand Imam to Christianity during their visit…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 23, 2016 • 11:01:11am
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Belafon  May 23, 2016 • 11:01:14am

re: #352 CuriousLurker

And I’ll bet there are Muslim wingnuts who think the Pope converted the Grand Imam to Christianity during their visit…

He does have Christian cooties on him now.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  May 23, 2016 • 11:01:28am

re: #326 lawhawk

That makes me hate Trump even more.

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2016 • 11:02:47am

re: #353 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Austrian Neo-Nazi Loses Election, Breitbart Sad

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Oh, Anti-Mass-Migration Populist—is that what they’re calling Fascists now?

//

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No Depression  May 23, 2016 • 11:03:16am

re: #349 Lidane

SEEKRIT HAND SIGNALS!

[Embedded content]

Seems legit. In any traffic jam, you’ll find plenty of Christians pointing to the sky with their middle fingers.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 11:03:53am

re: #349 Lidane

SEEKRIT HAND SIGNALS!

[Embedded content]

These people are so easy to con.

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2016 • 11:04:51am

re: #353 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Austrian Neo-Nazi Loses Election, Breitbart Sad

[Embedded content]

Snatches Victory From…is that the same thing as saying that candidate Won?

//

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 11:05:12am

re: #353 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Austrian Neo-Nazi Loses Election, Breitbart Sad

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Breitbart sure do love em some good old fashioned Eurofascism.

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Belafon  May 23, 2016 • 11:06:20am

re: #359 Sir John Barron

Snatches Victory From…is that the same thing as saying that candidate Won?

//

But it wasn’t open to all the voters! The Austrians should have let the Hungarians vote as well!

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 11:07:39am

re: #361 Belafon

But it wasn’t open to all the voters! The Austrians should have let the Hungarians vote as well!

You jest heh but Hungary is pretty bad. I have a feeling Breitbart loves them some Jobbik.

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2016 • 11:08:54am

re: #360 HappyWarrior

Breitbart sure do love em some good old fashioned Eurofascism.

Populist!!!! Anti-Mass-Migration!!!!111

364
Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2016 • 11:09:22am

oh, this will be fun!

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 11:10:27am

re: #364 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, this will be fun!

[Embedded content]

Great choice.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 11:11:04am

re: #363 Sir John Barron

Populist!!!! Anti-Mass-Migration!!!!111

Yeah but let’s ignore the whole Neo-Nazi thing, it gets in the way of our proclaimed love of Israel and the Jewish people.

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No Depression  May 23, 2016 • 11:11:20am

re: #364 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, this will be fun!

[Embedded content]

Great pick. He does not suffer fools lightly.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 23, 2016 • 11:12:06am

re: #361 Belafon

But it wasn’t open to all the voters! The Austrians should have let the Hungarians vote as well!

This vote suggests that it would be a very good idea for the Austrians to abolish the presidency and invite the Hapsburgs back to reign as ceremonial monarchs like the Windsors. In fact, if Trump is elected President, we should consider asking Her Majesty to accept us back.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2016 • 11:12:25am

re: #365 HappyWarrior

re: #367 No Depression

And Bernie can’t make any complaint about it because the two of them have worked together in the past on legislation.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 23, 2016 • 11:12:41am

re: #344 lawhawk

RWNJ are going to hijack that and insult the poor guy.

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jaunte  May 23, 2016 • 11:12:58am

“Features of the Bargaining Stage
In the bargaining stage you may find yourself intensely focused on what you or others could have done differently in order to prevent the loss or change.”

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Kragar  May 23, 2016 • 11:14:50am

re: #371 jaunte

Does taking Bernie seriously for far too long count as a weakness?

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 11:15:34am

re: #371 jaunte

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Irony.

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Decatur Deb  May 23, 2016 • 11:15:55am

re: #302 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Defense Acquisition University?

Good grief…

Alma Mater, a bit.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  May 23, 2016 • 11:16:12am

re: #373 HappyWarrior

Irony.

Brought to you by IMAX.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 23, 2016 • 11:17:05am

re: #375 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Brought to you by IMAX The Hubble.

377
Not a Sparkly Vampire  May 23, 2016 • 11:18:31am

I find it funny that they assume Hillary supporters aren’t keenly aware of her flaws.

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Kragar  May 23, 2016 • 11:18:48am
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Belafon  May 23, 2016 • 11:20:12am

re: #377 Not a Sparkly Vampire

I find it funny that they assume Hillary supporters aren’t keenly aware of her flaws.

Our flaw was that we didn’t use them to decide to FeelTheBern.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  May 23, 2016 • 11:20:38am

re: #379 Belafon

Our flaw was that we didn’t use them to decide to FeelTheBern.

Iknowrite.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 11:20:43am

re: #378 Kragar

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His “charity” also defrauded a bunch of veterans too.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2016 • 11:20:56am

re: #379 Belafon

Our flaw was that we didn’t use them to decide to FeelTheBern.

Yep.

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CuriousLurker  May 23, 2016 • 11:25:54am

re: #354 Belafon

He does have Christian cooties on him now.

I’m pretty sure the evil Zionist puppet-masters are also somehow involved in pulling all the strings to make it happen. //

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Shiplord Kirel  May 23, 2016 • 11:31:01am

re: #358 HappyWarrior

These people are so easy to con.

There is a huge industrial complex built around doing just that. The fundy speaker circuit I have mentioned is just a small example. Based on my observations in Lubbock, where 8-10 such churches will each have a different highly publicized out-of-town speaker in any given week, I would guess there are several thousand people on the circuit, collecting fees that run into the thousands, as well as free meals and hotels. Some of them, especially Baptist churches, also pass the plate for a “love offering” for the speaker. They have to pay their own bar tabs though and, yes, I have seen more than one of them do so.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 23, 2016 • 11:34:48am

re: #378 Kragar

The same vets, who, if ever active under his Presidency, would be ordered to torture and commit genocide.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 23, 2016 • 11:38:16am

re: #378 Kragar

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Isn’t he the guy who claimed to have raised $6 Million for Vets and didn’t actually do it?

Seriously, is there no consequence to anything he says or does?

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FormerDirtDart  May 23, 2016 • 11:41:08am

re: #248 Romantic Heretic

I was just commenting on an article I saw over at Facebook, where the US lost a tank combat competition in Europe

Half the comments were of the “It’s all Obama’s fault.”

So yeah, they’ll blame him for any arms sales to Vietnam. Because that Kenyan socialist is responsible for everything bad in America!

People have short memories. The “Canadian Army Trophy” used to be a NATO tank gunnery competition during the Cold War. It began in 1963, ending in 1991. The US first participated in 1977. The US did not win the competition until 1987, and that was it’s only victory.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 23, 2016 • 11:41:36am

re: #386 Blind Frog Belly White

Isn’t he the guy who claimed to have raised $6 Million for Vets and didn’t actually do it?

Seriously, is there no consequence to anything he says or does?

“He rounded up. Don’t be such a liberal tool!”

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Skip Intro  May 23, 2016 • 11:43:01am

re: #335 Kragar

Why does God always side with the bad guys?

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Romantic Heretic  May 23, 2016 • 11:58:20am

re: #387 FormerDirtDart

Thanks. I did not know that.

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Great White Snark  May 23, 2016 • 5:52:44pm

re: #308 HappyWarrior

Fucker really needs to get laid.

Now that I think will surely require divine intervention.

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Jebediah, RBG  May 23, 2016 • 8:21:43pm

re: #303 KerFuFFler

Rothko’s are gorgeous.


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