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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 3, 2016 • 11:59:18am

I have to admit I have become addicted to the “Bob & Chez” show. I can’t listen to the entire hour all at once but I listen in 15-minute chunks.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:08:33pm

I love these guys. If you haven’t listened to them yet, give them a try! Also let me plug their After Party podcasts!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:11:20pm

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Jenner7  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:12:29pm

Yeeeaaaas!

I sure hope the primary is settled by the time I go on vacation or I’ll drive my family nuts.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:16:59pm

See Thanos’s new page:
Donald Trump in San Jose: Violent Protest Outside Rally, Hundreds Clash With Police

Trump 2016, another rally, another riot. This kind of thing is becoming routine. Media attention and the outrage index among his followers may be faltering. A prediction: Trump and his gang will ratchet up the level of violence in response.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:21:09pm

In 15 or 20 years, we’ll probably see a retired Secret Service publish his or her memoirs about working the Trump detail. Should be interesting.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:21:47pm

O_O!!!

The University of Kentucky has spent more than $5 million in the last year to fix federal billing issues involving a Hazard cardiology practice it acquired three years ago, but UK officials have declined to provide documents detailing problems that led to the payments.

In 2013, UK HealthCare spent $440,000 for the office equipment of Appalachian Heart Center and rented its clinic space in Hazard, Harlan and Hyden. The four physicians of the practice also became adjunct faculty at UK.

But in the past year, UK HealthCare and its billing arm, the Kentucky Medical Services Foundation, have paid $4.1 million to Medicaid and Medicare, and $1 million to David Douglass, a Washington D.C. lawyer who specializes in federal health care issues, to resolve billing issues involving the Hazard cardiology practice.

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The board generally holds a dinner meeting the night before their official business meeting. The gatherings are open to the public because a quorum of board members attend, but normally, official business is not conducted.

UK officials have since denied the Herald-Leader’s request for the presentation made by Douglass, saying it is exempt from disclosure under the state Open Records Act because of attorney-client privilege. No minutes of the dinner meeting were kept, UK has said.

UK General Counsel William Thro said that because there were no members of the public or press present, the board did not vote to go behind closed doors to discuss legal issues involving the cardiology practice. One exemption in the state’s Open Meetings Act allows boards to discuss specific pending litigation behind closed doors, but Thro said Thursday there is no pending litigation regarding the Hazard practice.

“There has to be a mechanism for the attorney to communicate with attorney-client privilege to the board leadership and to the entire board,” Thro said. “Otherwise a public body will always be acting with one hand behind their back because they don’t have all the information.”

UK also redacted all details of Douglass’ billing records, except the total prices, from copies provided to the Herald-Leader under the state’s Open Records Act. The university also denied a request for a routine audit that turned up the billing problems in Hazard as well as any audits or other documents that UK did of the clinic before the merger.

This really reeks.

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wrenchwench  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:23:09pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:24:32pm

re: #8 wrenchwench

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Dr. Matt  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:25:47pm

Rage Furby is going to file another lawsuit against Gawker for stealing his story:

Is This Chelsea Clinton’s Real Father?

If you’ve been even vaguely tuned in to the overactive Hillary Clinton conspiracy mill over the years, you’ve likely heard about the questions of Chelsea Clinton’s paternity. But for those who haven’t, here’s how this song goes: Bill Clinton is sterile, and Chelsea’s real father is Clinton confidant and federal tax evader Webb Hubbell.

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blueraven  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:28:33pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:29:30pm

re: #11 blueraven

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:29:39pm
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Belafon  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:30:00pm

re: #10 Dr. Matt

Rage Furby is going to file another lawsuit against Gawker for stealing his story:

Is This Chelsea Clinton’s Real Father?

Biological does not mean real, so even if Bill were sterile, this story means zip.

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No Depression  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:32:40pm

Oh boy, more primary fan fiction from Seth Abramson!

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blueraven  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:32:53pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:34:31pm
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Kragar  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:36:00pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:36:02pm

re: #14 Belafon

Biological does not mean real, so even if Bill were sterile, this story means zip.

You are, of course, correct. But to me it’s obvious that she looks way too much like Bill and Hillary to not be theirs biologically.
I really don’t envy the Clintons, being magnets for so goddamn many stupid conspiracy theories.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:41:15pm
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Kragar  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:42:15pm
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Nyet  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:42:55pm

re: #20 Dr. Matt

Maybe they’re all correct and God is simply Nyarlathotep.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:43:59pm
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sagehen  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:44:22pm

re: #22 Nyet

Maybe they’re all correct and God is simply Nyarlathotep.

Or it’s the Many-Faced God.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:46:13pm

re: #8 wrenchwench

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:47:08pm

Here’s a cheery diversion:
GRAVEDIGGERS COMPETE IN RACE JUDGED ON SPEED—- AND STYLE

This story is from Hungary. i don’t think anyone has dug a grave by hand in this country in decades, at least not a legal one.

On a related note, I have been getting a wave of direct mail ads for funeral services, burial insurance, and the like.
Do they know something I don’t? All I can figure is that it is related to my upcoming birthday.

Actually, my plans are made and ready for (ahem) execution

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:48:44pm

re: #26 Shiplord Kirel

Maybe they’re trying to cash in on the expected wave of apoplexy after the election results come in.

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Nyet  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:49:10pm

Can’t wait till Obama and Warren begin to campaign for HRC.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:51:28pm

In general I am ambivalent about donuts but these look really pretty.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:52:41pm

I think Trump’s campaign is going to unravel like a cheap suit as he is subjected to the vetting he didn’t get in the GOP primaries.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:53:10pm

Current temperature here is 95.9 with the projected high of 99.

I went out and did my walk anyway but ugh.

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Kragar  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:53:40pm
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Nyet  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:53:53pm

re: #29 klys (maker of Silmarils)

They look… chemical.

Which of course they are, everything is ;)

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Dr. Matt  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:54:02pm

re: #31 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Current temperature here is 95.9 with the projected high of 99.

I went out and did my walk anyway but ugh.

That’s called March in S. Florida.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:54:11pm

re: #33 Nyet

They look… chemical.

Which of course they are, everything is ;)

The best ice cream is made with liquid nitrogen.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:54:45pm

re: #34 Dr. Matt

That’s called March in S. Florida.

Yes but I don’t live in South Florida and you actually get thunderstorms there so that sort of evens out.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:56:01pm

re: #26 Shiplord Kirel

Here’s a cheery diversion:
GRAVEDIGGERS COMPETE IN RACE JUDGED ON SPEED—- AND STYLE

This story is from Hungary. i don’t think anyone has dug a grave by hand in this country in decades, at least now a legal one.

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I have a friend who lives a couple of counties west of me. He’s a gravedigger and lots of his jobs are done by hand, mostly because lots of our cemeteries are old family cemeteries located in the woods or up a steep hill or other places that don’t have easy vehicle access.
Also, the grave rules here in Kentucky are generally a minimum of 2 feet deep.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:56:42pm

Called it last night, even thought the mob consisted entirely of Sanders supporters mixed with anarchists, who chanted his name as they assaulted Trump supporters, Bernie says nothing.

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EPR-radar  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:57:02pm

re: #30 Big Beautiful Door

I think Trump’s campaign is going to unravel like a cheap suit as he is subjected to the vetting he didn’t get in the GOP primaries.

Same here.

The more I think about it, the more it looks like Trump’s opponents in the GOP primary were stuck with a political version of trying to square the circle —- i.e. a mathematical impossibility.

Trumpism is merely the current stage of the ongoing degeneration of the Republican party. Therefore there is simply no way to effectively combat Trumpism from a Republican perspective.

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Jenner7  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:57:55pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:58:35pm

re: #40 Jenner7

I love this family so much.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 3, 2016 • 12:58:41pm

re: #27 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Maybe they’re trying to cash in on the expected wave of apoplexy after the election results come in.

They’ll have to do without me then. They should still clean up from the mass stroke-out among aged RWNJs. I hope they don’t overtax the emergency medical system.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:00:02pm

re: #38 goddamnedfrank

Called it last night, even thought the mob consisted entirely of Sanders supporters mixed with anarchists, who chanted his name as they assaulted Trump supporters, Bernie says nothing.

Did Trump make a statement condemning the violence? Or is he so self-absorbed that he doesn’t care about the well-being of his own cult?

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Interesting Times  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:01:12pm

re: #35 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The best ice cream is made with liquid nitrogen.

I’ve had that! :D The chemistry club on campus makes it fresh right in front of you and sells it for fundraising purposes.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:01:13pm

re: #35 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The best ice cream is made with liquid nitrogen.

But of course, there’s no LN2 left when you eat it.

BTW, some genius once emptied an icebucket of LN2 into a lab sink where I worked 30 years ago. Turned out NOT to be a good idea! Who’da thunk?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:03:40pm

re: #43 Dr. Matt

Did Trump make a statement condemning the violence? Or is he so self-absorbed that he doesn’t care about the well-being of his own cult?

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Jenner7  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:03:41pm

re: #38 goddamnedfrank

His campaign did condemn it.

Mike Casca, Sanders’s rapid response director, tweeted that “we cannot stop Trump’s violent rhetoric with violence — only peaceful protest in a voting booth can do that.”

washingtonpost.com

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:04:05pm

re: #45 Blind Frog Belly White

But of course, there’s no LN2 left when you eat it.

BTW, some genius once emptied an icebucket of LN2 into a lab sink where I worked 30 years ago. Turned out NOT to be a good idea! Who’da thunk?

There sat, in the grad student office, a chunk of the very resistant countertop they used for the lab counters. That shit is damn near impossible to scratch or break.

Unless, it turns out, you pour LN2 down the sink.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:06:57pm

I have reliable information that the air here at the Kirel Conspiracy Compound is heavily contaminated with nitrogen.

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Jenner7  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:07:06pm
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No Depression  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:08:41pm

I’m beginning to think that what happened at the Trump rally last night was retaliation for Trump supporters pepper spraying peaceful protesters at a Trump rally in San Diego:

Photographs Show Trump Supporters Pepper Spraying Protestors in The Face (UPDATED)

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darthstar  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:09:23pm

re: #51 Jenner7

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Trump’s rally in Redding.

I’m from Redding. Nice to see the town get a visit. I think Reagan swung by once in 1980. Bunch of fuckin’ rednecks and meth labs. Great place to be from.

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wrenchwench  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:09:32pm

re: #49 Dr. Matt

Photographs Show Trump Supporters Pepper Spraying Protestors in The Face (UPDATED)

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Mmmmm, pepper spray. Goes good with assault and battery.

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Kragar  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:09:46pm
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Jenner7  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:10:12pm

re: #53 darthstar

The mountains in the background are just beautiful…

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darthstar  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:10:23pm

re: #52 No Depression

I’m beginning to think that what happened at the Trump rally last night was retaliation for Trump supporters pepper spraying peaceful protesters at a Trump rally in San Diego:

Photographs Show Trump Supporters Pepper Spraying Protestors in The Face (UPDATED)

I’m beginning to think the “They started it and we’re only responding in kind” justification is a dangerous and slippery slope.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:11:32pm

re: #49 Dr. Matt

Photographs Show Trump Supporters Pepper Spraying Protestors in The Face (UPDATED)

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And the douche Breitbart-look alike was recording his assault

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darthstar  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:11:37pm

re: #55 blueraven

Video

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Arrest that asshole and let’s see how funny he thinks it is with a felony assault charge on his record. That’ll cost Mom & Dad a shitload of money to protect their legacy.

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darthstar  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:12:38pm

Yay! Both sides do it! Welcome to Shitshow 2016.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:12:58pm

re: #48 klys (maker of Silmarils)

There sat, in the grad student office, a chunk of the very resistant countertop they used for the lab counters. That shit is damn near impossible to scratch or break.

Unless, it turns out, you pour LN2 down the sink.

In my experience, grad students are the most dangerous people in the lab.

Undergrad Assistants are still pretty tentative, and don’t get a chance to do much damage.

Lab Techs have to fix equipment or get it fixed, so they’re usually pretty careful with it.

Post Docs already made their mistakes as Grad Students and got yelled at.

Professors are rarely in the lab, and when they are, they spend most of their time asking Post Docs and Lab Techs where stuff is.

But Graduate Students combine the lack of experience of Undergrads with an unearned confidence in their knowledge, so they do stuff like pouring LN2 down the sink, or trying to fill a warm-air incubator with water, or not balancing the rotor in the Ultracentifuge, or turning off the vacuum pump without opening the system to atmosphere first so the pump oil gets sucked into the trap.

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Tigger2  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:12:58pm

re: #58 darthstar

I’m beginning to think the “They started it and we’re only responding in kind” justification is a dangerous and slippery slope.

But sometimes in some instances it is necessary to show you wont be pushed around.

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wrenchwench  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:13:38pm

re: #59 Dr. Matt

And the douche Breitbart-look alike was recording his assault

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For use in court by the prosecutor, I hope.

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Kragar  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:14:54pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:15:08pm

Both Trumpetarians and anarchist protesters see themselves as benefiting from the violence. They are locked in an escalating embrace of mutual incitement. Very dangerous.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:15:25pm

re: #65 Kragar

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Now, now.

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No Depression  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:15:36pm

re: #58 darthstar

I’m beginning to think the “They started it and we’re only responding in kind” justification is a dangerous and slippery slope.

I agree with you. I wasn’t trying to justify what happened, just putting it in context.

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Jenner7  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:15:52pm

I think the difference we should point out is that both Bernie and Hillary condemn violence, while Trump encourages it.

Violence, regardless of who did it, is not the answer and should be condemned. I don’t give a damn if these fools were retaliating. It’s not cool.

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darthstar  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:16:06pm

re: #63 Tigger2

But sometimes in some instances it is necessary to show you wont be pushed around.

Yes…if a bully tries to take your milk money push back. If you think there’s a chance you’ll get into a fight if you go to an event, you probably need to reevaluate why you’re going. People are going to rallies/protests(depending on which team they’re on) ready to fight and show they can’t be “pushed around.” This only serves to the benefit of the assholes in the crowd.

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No Depression  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:19:08pm

re: #70 darthstar

Yes…if a bully tries to take your milk money push back. If you think there’s a chance you’ll get into a fight if you go to an event, you probably need to reevaluate why you’re going. People are going to rallies/protests(depending on which team they’re on) ready to fight and show they can’t be “pushed around.” This only serves to the benefit of the assholes in the crowd.

I think protesters should continue to show up at Trump’s rallies, even if there is a threat of violence. His crypto-Nazi followers need to understand that this isn’t their country.

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Tigger2  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:19:33pm

re: #70 darthstar

Yes…if a bully tries to take your milk money push back. If you think there’s a chance you’ll get into a fight if you go to an event, you probably need to reevaluate why you’re going. People are going to rallies/protests(depending on which team they’re on) ready to fight and show they can’t be “pushed around.” This only serves to the benefit of the assholes in the crowd.

Yep but it will also help dispel the myth that Libs are wimps and wont fight back and maybe give the other side a pause and make them think about their actions.

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blueraven  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:19:47pm

re: #63 Tigger2

But sometimes in some instances it is necessary to show you wont be pushed around.

There is that, but when people throw eggs at a woman’s face? That is way out of line.
Attacking Trump supporters is just dumb.

I think probably 90% of the protesters are peaceful, but there is always the anarchist element. And to be fair, most of the Trump supporters just want to see/hear Trump which they have a perfect right to do.

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Tigger2  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:22:06pm

re: #73 blueraven

There is that, but when people throw eggs at a woman’s face? That is way out of line.
Attacking Trump supporters is just dumb.

I think probably 90% of the protesters are peaceful, but there is always the anarchist element. And to be fair, most of the Trump supporters just want to see/hear Trump which they have a perfect right to do.

You are right on that throwing eggs at that lady was just juvenile and unacceptable. .

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Kragar  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:22:19pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:23:16pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:23:59pm

re: #44 Interesting Times

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:25:10pm

re: #62 Blind Frog Belly White

In my experience, grad students are the most dangerous people in the lab.

Undergrad Assistants are still pretty tentative, and don’t get a chance to do much damage.

Lab Techs have to fix equipment or get it fixed, so they’re usually pretty careful with it.

Post Docs already made their mistakes as Grad Students and got yelled at.

Professors are rarely in the lab, and when they are, they spend most of their time asking Post Docs and Lab Techs where stuff is.

But Graduate Students combine the lack of experience of Undergrads with an unearned confidence in their knowledge, so they do stuff like pouring LN2 down the sink, or trying to fill a warm-air incubator with water, or not balancing the rotor in the Ultracentifuge, or turning off the vacuum pump without opening the system to atmosphere first so the pump oil gets sucked into the trap.

It was, in fact, a grad student who did that. Before my time.

I was always terrified of somehow screwing up the NMR. You did not want to be the person responsible for that.

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Jenner7  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:26:12pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:27:43pm

re: #78 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Also we didn’t have any lab techs in my lab. Just grad students. :( But my prof did insist on doing some of the most dangerous stuff himself, so that was good.

Of course, then you consider some of what I did and have posted photos of here and that was the less dangerous stuff.

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KGxvi  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:28:20pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

Shouldn’t really be a surprise that Johnson draws more from disaffected Republicans than from Democrats. Trump has high unfavorables, including among Republicans and Republican leaning Independents. While Clinton also has high unfavorables, she’s well liked by Democrats and Democratic leaning Independents.

I hope we get a few more polls that include Johnson, it would be interesting to see a third person on the debate stage, especially if Trump has an epic meltdown.

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Kragar  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:28:45pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:30:48pm

re: #81 KGxvi

Shouldn’t really be a surprise that Johnson draws more from disaffected Republicans than from Democrats.

He is/was a Republican. Went Libertarian because he saw more opportunity there. And pot.

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KGxvi  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:31:16pm

re: #83 wrenchwench

He is/was a Republican. Went Libertarian because he saw more opportunity there. And pot.

That too.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:33:08pm

re: #10 Dr. Matt

Rage Furby is going to file another lawsuit against Gawker for stealing his story:

Is This Chelsea Clinton’s Real Father?

No, I had never heard that claim before. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. What a ridiculous claim!

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Stanley Sea  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:33:48pm

re: #82 Kragar

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Interesting Times  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:34:30pm

re: #77 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Great explanation, thanks!

By the way, what’s the official name of your field again? I’m afraid I don’t remember :( I do recall it has to do with the structure of crystal and glass…? You posted about it a few years ago, I think…

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KGxvi  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:35:18pm

re: #82 Kragar

For those interested, here are some of the pleadings in the California cases.

trumpuniversitylitigation.com

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Jenner7  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:35:23pm

This is some amazing bullshit.

Facebook Post

Yep. Hillary is being so nasty by repeating Trump’s own words.

Ugh.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:36:13pm

Pardon me while I ROTFL

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:37:54pm

re: #87 Interesting Times

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Kragar  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:39:23pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:39:33pm

re: #73 blueraven

There is that, but when people throw eggs at a woman’s face? That is way out of line.
Attacking Trump supporters is just dumb.

I think probably 90% of the protesters are peaceful, but there is always the anarchist element. And to be fair, most of the Trump supporters just want to see/hear Trump which they have a perfect right to do.

Agreed. You don’t have a right to put your hands on someone just because they are a Trump supporter. I wish the police had been more prominent last night so that any protester acting violently would have been arrested immediately.

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451_Montag  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:43:08pm

re: #90 The Vicious Babushka

Pardon me while I ROTFL

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Just watched that. The church said Trump says he is not thin skinned. Way to play into the narrative Hillary set up.

Amazing that the candidate of one of the parties even had to respond. Personally I think o!d Stumpy Fingers has just realised the shitstorm the dems are growing to bring is going to be biblical.

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Scout  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:44:16pm

Sorry, I’m reposting this from the previous thread.

This column by Richard North Patterson at Huffington Post makes some really good — and frightening — points about Trump’s psychological profile.

huffingtonpost.com

Here’s one paragraph:

A belief that you are above the rules. An array of inconsistent statements and behaviors driven by your needs in the moment. An inability to assess the consequences of your actions in new or complex situations. In sum, a total incapacity to separate the world from your own psychodrama.

This column also has an eloquent description of President Obama:

One of the many assets Obama brought to the White House is a peerless dignity and grace.

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darthstar  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:45:30pm

re: #89 Jenner7

This is some amazing bullshit.

Yep. Hillary is being so nasty by repeating Trump’s own words.

Ugh.

It’s called the Aristocrats!

She seems to be enjoying playing Trump’s game with him right now. Her speech yesterday has been lauded for its viciousness. Once upon a time this was unthinkable. Hell, remember when McCain called Obama “That one!” in a debate? (I made $400 in t-shirt sales by putting “I’m voting for That One” tshirts on Cafepress before the debate ended). It was an outrage. Now she calls him “sleazy” in a tweet and nobody bats an eye.

And don’t even get me started on his crap. But I expect it from him.

Either I’m getting more fucking prudish in my middle years or we’re setting the bar a bit lower for what we consider Presidential timber.

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Kragar  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:46:27pm
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Jenner7  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:47:43pm

“She’s pathetic…” -Donald says of Hillary

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:47:47pm

re: #96 darthstar

…you’re mad because Hillary called Donald Trump sleazy? In a tweet?

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Jenner7  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:48:18pm

“I don’t need a teleprompter..”

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Jenner7  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:49:01pm

re: #96 darthstar

I really don’t get you sometimes.

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makeitstop  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:49:53pm

re: #96 darthstar

Her speech yesterday has been lauded for its viciousness.

No. It’s being lauded for her laying out her foreign policy bona fides while contrasting with Trump’s complete lack of them - by quoting exactly what he has said.

Quoting your political opponent. How positively vicious.
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Kragar  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:50:54pm
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Jenner7  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:51:05pm

Yep. So vicious to quote his own words. What a bitch.

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I can’t.

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Tigger2  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:51:18pm

re: #96 darthstar

It’s called the Aristocrats!

She seems to be enjoying playing Trump’s game with him right now. Her speech yesterday has been lauded for its viciousness. Once upon a time this was unthinkable. Hell, remember when McCain called Obama “That one!” in a debate? (I made $400 in t-shirt sales by putting “I’m voting for That One” tshirts on Cafepress before the debate ended). It was an outrage. Now she calls him “sleazy” in a tweet and nobody bats an eye.

And don’t even get me started on his crap. But I expect it from him.

Either I’m getting more fucking prudish in my middle years or we’re setting the bar a bit lower for what we consider Presidential timber.

That’s rich coming from a Sanders supporter seeing how a lot of Sanders tweets and comments have been kind of vicious against Clinton.

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Jenner7  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:52:44pm

“Huma tells Anthony Weiner everything..”

Dear god.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:53:43pm

re: #38 goddamnedfrank

Called it last night, even thought the mob consisted entirely of Sanders supporters mixed with anarchists, who chanted his name as they assaulted Trump supporters, Bernie says nothing.

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I’m a little reluctant to make claims like that about Senator Sanders. He may not be acting graciously about losing to Secretary Clinton but I have no reason to be believe that he supporters violence by his supporters. I don’t feel the need to demonize him even if his campaign in many ways has been disappointing.

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Kragar  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:53:57pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:54:32pm

re: #82 Kragar

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“This case should have ended years ago.”

He doesn’t realize it but he just admitted the primary flaw in his argument. Trump only started talking about his wall and calling Mexicans rapists a year ago. So that can’t be why the Judge is ruling against him. Trump’s claims that these rulings are unfair are typical of parties who have rulings go against them, and his argument that he’s done things that should have antagonized the court subsequent to the assignment of the Judge are meaningless.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:55:13pm

re: #85 Patricia Kayden

No, I had never heard that claim before. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. What a ridiculous claim!

Trump’s house tabloid, the National Enquirer, has been pushing this for years. A while back they claimed to have gotten “touch DNA” samples from both Chelsea and Hubbell and tested them, but the tests were “inconclusive.” They ran a big story for this nothing-burger.
I expect them to run with the story again, probably with a definite claim of a match, a few days before the election. They know, of course, that very few (if any) Hillary voters would change their votes because of this, but it might well galvanize apathetic Trump fans into actually voting.

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Jenner7  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:55:39pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:56:54pm

re: #96 darthstar

It’s called the Aristocrats!

She seems to be enjoying playing Trump’s game with him right now. Her speech yesterday has been lauded for its viciousness. Once upon a time this was unthinkable. Hell, remember when McCain called Obama “That one!” in a debate? (I made $400 in t-shirt sales by putting “I’m voting for That One” tshirts on Cafepress before the debate ended). It was an outrage. Now she calls him “sleazy” in a tweet and nobody bats an eye.

And don’t even get me started on his crap. But I expect it from him.

Either I’m getting more fucking prudish in my middle years or we’re setting the bar a bit lower for what we consider Presidential timber.

?

I’m sorry, but you see her speech as playing Trump’s game? Because she quoted him and put those quotes in the context of how things actually work in FP, and how HIS suggestions would work out?

“Playing Trump’s game” would be trying to do as Rubio did, to attempt to out-insult Trump with irrelevant shit like his hand size, or his hair, or whatever. Campaigns are about contrasting yourself and your ideas with your opponent’s. In each case, she basically said, ‘Here’s what we need, here’s what he’s said, here’s how that would work, and here’s what I have done, and would do.

It wasn’t that it was vicious. It was that it was direct.

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EPR-radar  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:58:01pm

re: #50 Shiplord Kirel

I have reliable information that the air here at the Kirel Conspiracy Compound is heavily contaminated with nitrogen.

About 80%, right? That’s the preferred level to maximize susceptibility to official propaganda.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:58:09pm

re: #108 Kragar

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Think of what that says about his understanding of the powers of the office he seeks.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:58:50pm

re: #110 Shiplord Kirel

Trump’s house tabloid, the National Enquirer, has been pushing this for years. A while back they claimed to have gotten “touch DNA” samples from both Chelsea and Hubbell and tested them, but the tests were “inconclusive.” They ran a big story for this nothing-burger.
I expect them to run with the story again, probably with a definite claim of a match, a few days before the election. They know, of course, that very few (if any) Hillary voters would change their votes because of this, but it might well galvanize apathetic Trump fans into actually voting.

Chuck C. Johnson also pushes this ridiculous conspiracy theory.

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Belafon  Jun 3, 2016 • 1:59:25pm

re: #96 darthstar

It’s called the Aristocrats!

She seems to be enjoying playing Trump’s game with him right now. Her speech yesterday has been lauded for its viciousness. Once upon a time this was unthinkable. Hell, remember when McCain called Obama “That one!” in a debate? (I made $400 in t-shirt sales by putting “I’m voting for That One” tshirts on Cafepress before the debate ended). It was an outrage. Now she calls him “sleazy” in a tweet and nobody bats an eye.

And don’t even get me started on his crap. But I expect it from him.

Either I’m getting more fucking prudish in my middle years or we’re setting the bar a bit lower for what we consider Presidential timber.

She just wasn’t being very ladylike, was she?

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EPR-radar  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:00:14pm

re: #62 Blind Frog Belly White

My worst error in grad school was leak testing a newly installed water pump by turning it on while the output was capped.

It was a great success in creating leaks…

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Dave In Austin  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:00:54pm

Slow implosion is starting to take place in Il Douche’s campaign.

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Jenner7  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:01:47pm

He’s obsessing over his temperament. lol

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Charles Johnson  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:01:50pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:01:54pm

re: #96 darthstar

Either I’m getting more fucking prudish in my middle years or we’re setting the bar a bit lower for what we consider Presidential timber.

LOL. Sanders fell the fuck asleep at a Memorial Day ceremony and you’re worried about his opponent’s Presidential timber? GTFOH.

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TK-421  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:02:37pm

Eggs seem like a bad choice, pepper spray leaves you too vulnerable. Especially if the police are turning their backs.

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darthstar  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:03:46pm

re: #99 klys (maker of Silmarils)

…you’re mad because Hillary called Donald Trump sleazy? In a tweet?

No. I’m not mad because she called him sleazy. I’m just pointing out it’s understandable why some people think she’s being “nasty” when all she’s doing is repeating what Donald said about Immigrants, Muslims, Women, People with Disabilities…the list goes on.

I’m not even criticizing her, really.

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Belafon  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:05:14pm

re: #121 goddamnedfrank

LOL. Sanders fell the fuck asleep at a Memorial Day ceremony and you’re worried about his opponent’s Presidential timber? GTFOH.

Considering that Adams’ campaign stated that if Jefferson was elected people’s daughters would be raped in the streets, I don’t think discourse has gotten worse.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:06:11pm

re: #50 Shiplord Kirel

I have reliable information that the air here at the Kirel Conspiracy Compound is heavily contaminated with nitrogen.

Call The Food Babe

The most obvious mistake was her SHOCK and HORROR that airplane air is not pure oxygen but has (OMG!) NITROGEN in it. (Someone get the hook and pull her off the stage…)

!

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wrenchwench  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:06:39pm

re: #123 darthstar

No. I’m not mad because she called him sleazy. I’m just pointing out it’s understandable why some people think she’s being “nasty” when all she’s doing is repeating what Donald said about Immigrants, Muslims, Women, People with Disabilities…the list goes on.

I’m not even criticizing her, really.

It may be understandable if all people hear (read) is other people repeating such ridiculous assessments.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:06:44pm
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makeitstop  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:07:05pm

re: #116 Belafon

She just wasn’t being very ladylike, was she?

//

All shouty and stuff.
//

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darthstar  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:07:50pm

re: #116 Belafon

She just wasn’t being very ladylike, was she?

//

I can count on my penis the number of times Obama called Romney ‘sleazy’ in 2012…wait…he didn’t. No, I can’t count them.

This has nothing to do with being ladylike. Hillary is playing Donald’s game and she is very good at it. Some people will use that against her. I would suggest not getting offended by it. She’s an adult. She can take care of herself.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:08:47pm

re: #123 darthstar

No. I’m not mad because she called him sleazy. I’m just pointing out it’s understandable why some people think she’s being “nasty” when all she’s doing is repeating what Donald said about Immigrants, Muslims, Women, People with Disabilities…the list goes on.

I’m not even criticizing her, really.

I’m sorry, I don’t follow.

You seem to be trying to justify the criticism of her and complaining that she’s lowering the “timber of the Presidential campaign” but just last week it was that she wasn’t taking Donald Trump seriously enough with her “Dangerous Donald” nickname or whatever the hell it was. (You sure paid an awful lot more attention to that than most people did.)

I mean, I think it’s understandable why it’s easy to mistake this for concern trolling.

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darthstar  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:09:03pm

re: #121 goddamnedfrank

LOL. Sanders fell the fuck asleep at a Memorial Day ceremony and you’re worried about his opponent’s Presidential timber? GTFOH.

Yeah…that was funny. Old fucker falls asleep. Heh.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:09:13pm
133
EPR-radar  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:09:13pm

re: #123 darthstar

No. I’m not mad because she called him sleazy. I’m just pointing out it’s understandable why some people think she’s being “nasty” when all she’s doing is repeating what Donald said about Immigrants, Muslims, Women, People with Disabilities…the list goes on.

I’m not even criticizing her, really.

One of the things Clinton will need to do in the general election, in addition to pushing her own policy prescriptions, is to make the case that Trump and the Republicans are shitty. There is simply no way to do that without causing both-siderist morons (e.g., most pundits) to have the vapors, which makes their vaporing completely meaningless.

IMO she did exactly what she needed to do yesterday, and I sure hope there is much more of that to come.

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Kragar  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:09:13pm
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Kragar  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:09:39pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:09:55pm

re: #123 darthstar

No. I’m not mad because she called him sleazy. I’m just pointing out it’s understandable why some people think she’s being “nasty” when all she’s doing is repeating what Donald said about Immigrants, Muslims, Women, People with Disabilities…the list goes on.

I’m not even criticizing her, really.

Outfoxed: Fox News technique: “some people say”

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wrenchwench  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:10:28pm

re: #129 darthstar

Hillary is playing Donald’s game

The most silly thing you have typed so far.

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Kragar  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:10:48pm
139
Jenner7  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:11:19pm

Jeebus, Donald is getting worse. If that’s possible.

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Kragar  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:11:23pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:11:56pm

Today I have learned that we shouldn’t call sleazy people sleazy if they’re running a presidential campaign because ….reasons, I guess.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:12:21pm
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No Depression  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:12:43pm

re: #138 Kragar

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He’s just itching to use the n-word isn’t he?

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Jenner7  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:12:57pm

Donald Trump calls Hillary a murderer. Hillary calls him sleazy. BOTH SIDES!!!

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gwangung  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:13:00pm

re: #134 Kragar

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Um…is multiple Beyonces a problem?

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Charles Johnson  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:14:11pm
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Cheechako  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:14:55pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:15:01pm

re: #135 Kragar

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This is so great!
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Kragar  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:15:39pm
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stpaulbear  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:15:49pm

re: #145 gwangung

Um…is multiple Beyonces a problem?

There’s not enough money in the world for multiple Beyonces.

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CleverToad  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:16:10pm

re: #96 darthstar

It’s called the Aristocrats!

Hell, remember when McCain called Obama “That one!” in a debate? (I made $400 in t-shirt sales by putting “I’m voting for That One” tshirts on Cafepress before the debate ended).

Hmm, we bought a t-shirt with that slogan from CafePress, like the day after the debate. Hope it went to your bank account!

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KerFuFFler  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:16:34pm

re: #109 goddamnedfrank

He doesn’t realize it but he just admitted the primary flaw in his argument. Trump only started talking about his wall and calling Mexicans rapists a year ago. So that can’t be why the Judge is ruling against him. Trump’s claims that these rulings are unfair are typical of parties who have rulings go against them, and his argument that he’s done things that should have antagonized the court subsequent to the assignment of the Judge are meaningless.

Exactly, but Trump’s supporters are not going to dig into the details to notice that fact. I wish a reporter would confront Trump with that fact while on camera——-I can’t imagine how the Donald would spin that.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:16:36pm

re: #131 darthstar

Yeah…that was funny. Old fucker falls asleep. Heh.

Oh, I’m sorry, I’m sure the Republicans would NEVER make an issue out of Bernie looking like a doddering old fool and embarrassing himself at what should be a solemn, patriotic event. Apparently the fact that they’re STILL holding their fire against him on this and myriad other issues (USSR honeymoon, his office encouraging banks to cave into his wife’s loan fraud, 70’s rape essay) hasn’t quite sunk in for you yet. They desperately want to run against him, because as far as the general public is concerned there’s a bunker’s worth of unexpended ammunition to use against him.

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Kragar  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:16:38pm
155
Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:19:15pm

re: #150 stpaulbear

There’s not enough money in the world for multiple Beyonces.

But if there are multiple Beyonces, by the laws of Supply And Demand, the individual units should be more affordable.

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Kragar  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:19:40pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:19:54pm

re: #134 Kragar

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Nyet  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:21:29pm

re: #131 darthstar

Yeah…that was funny. Old fucker falls asleep. Heh.

His age is an issue.

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wrenchwench  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:21:35pm
160
ObserverArt  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:22:03pm

re: #102 makeitstop

No. It’s being lauded for her laying out her foreign policy bona fides while contrasting with Trump’s complete lack of them - by quoting exactly what he has said.

Quoting your political opponent. How positively vicious.
///////////////////////////////////////////////////

At least she is using real quotes instead of misreading an article about Hillary being unqualified for office and running with that in your campaign by one Mr. Bernard Sanders.

But then that is not a low bar…so…

161
Cheechako  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:22:13pm

Notice Donald’s podium sign gave up the ghost listening to this speech babble.

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darthstar  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:22:15pm

re: #133 EPR-radar

One of the things Clinton will need to do in the general election, in addition to pushing her own policy prescriptions, is to make the case that Trump and the Republicans are shitty. There is simply no way to do that without causing both-siderist morons (e.g., most pundits) to have the vapors, which makes their vaporing completely meaningless.

IMO she did exactly what she needed to do yesterday, and I sure hope there is much more of that to come.

Fair enough. I think she could beat him without the vapors-inspiring rhetoric, and hell, we’re talking about Trump here - she SHOULD beat him on qualifications alone.

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Jenner7  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:22:16pm
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EPR-radar  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:22:52pm

re: #141 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Today I have learned that we shouldn’t call sleazy people sleazy if they’re running a presidential campaign because ….reasons, I guess.

This kind of stupid both siderism from the media can be understood, since a general election horse race is needed to sell political advertising at the usual rates and volume.

From otherwise intelligent people without a financial interest in a general election horse race, both siderism is inexplicable.

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dangerman  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:23:29pm

re: #102 makeitstop

Quoting your political opponent. How positively vicious.
///////////////////////////////////////////////////

In context!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:24:01pm

re: #165 dangerman

In context!

Apparently it has inspired me to vapours. Someone fetch me my fainting couch, please.

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darthstar  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:24:14pm

re: #158 Nyet

His age is an issue.

Oh, but of course it is.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:25:33pm

Hey ‘Darth,

Remember this? Maybe it’s being retired.

Bout damn time.

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Tigger2  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:25:37pm

re: #153 goddamnedfrank

Oh, I’m sorry, I’m sure the Republicans would NEVER make an issue out of Bernie looking like a doddering old fool and embarrassing himself at what should be a solemn, patriotic event. Apparently the fact that they’re STILL holding their fire against him on this and myriad other issues (USSR honeymoon, his office encouraging banks to cave into his wife’s loan fraud, 70’s rape essay) hasn’t quite sunk in for you yet. They desperately want to run against him, because as far as the general public is concerned there’s a bunker’s worth of unexpended ammunition to use against him.

That’s why I just laugh when I read Bernie supporters comments saying Bernie is more electable then Hillary look at his favorability numbers,

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EPR-radar  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:25:54pm

re: #162 darthstar

Fair enough. I think she could beat him without the vapors-inspiring rhetoric, and hell, we’re talking about Trump here - she SHOULD beat him on qualifications alone.

Come on. Her speech yesterday was on ‘qualifications alone’, in a compare and contrast format.

I’m not going to care about Hillary Clinton’s tone unless she uncorks ‘Fuckface von Clownstick’ to Trump’s face in a debate. That probably would be going too far.

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ObserverArt  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:26:46pm

re: #123 darthstar

No. I’m not mad because she called him sleazy. I’m just pointing out it’s understandable why some people think she’s being “nasty” when all she’s doing is repeating what Donald said about Immigrants, Muslims, Women, People with Disabilities…the list goes on.

I’m not even criticizing her, really.

Ahhh. Killing her softly then?

172
Decatur Deb  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:28:06pm

re: #170 EPR-radar

Come on. Her speech yesterday was on ‘qualifications alone’, in a compare and contrast format.

I’m not going to care about Hillary Clinton’s tone unless she uncorks ‘Fuckface von Clownstick’ to Trump’s face in a debate. That probably would be going too far.

Of course she shouldn’t. We have people to do that.

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darthstar  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:28:09pm

re: #102 makeitstop

No. It’s being lauded for her laying out her foreign policy bona fides while contrasting with Trump’s complete lack of them - by quoting exactly what he has said.

Quoting your political opponent. How positively vicious.
///////////////////////////////////////////////////

That came from her supporters (ergo, ‘lauded’). Other words used to describe it: devastating, biting, emasculating (that has to do with his little wiener)…and all in a good way.

174
ObserverArt  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:28:49pm

re: #129 darthstar

I can count on my penis the number of times Obama called Romney ‘sleazy’ in 2012…wait…he didn’t. No, I can’t count them.

This has nothing to do with being ladylike. Hillary is playing Donald’s game and she is very good at it. Some people will use that against her. I would suggest not getting offended by it. She’s an adult. She can take care of herself.

I think you were offended by it the other day.

The more you dig, the deeper it gets.

175
darthstar  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:29:22pm

re: #168 Stanley Sea

Hey ‘Darth,

Remember this? Maybe it’s being retired.

Embedded Image

Bout damn time.

Classic. And yes, it’s good to have a spine - that’s why I’ve enjoyed Obama’s two terms…especially the current no fucks to give era.

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KerFuFFler  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:29:41pm

re: #96 darthstar

She seems to be enjoying playing Trump’s game with him right now. Her speech yesterday has been lauded for its viciousness. Once upon a time this was unthinkable. Hell, remember when McCain called Obama “That one!” in a debate? (I made $400 in t-shirt sales by putting “I’m voting for That One” tshirts on Cafepress before the debate ended). It was an outrage. Now she calls him “sleazy” in a tweet and nobody bats an eye.

When candidates are competent, qualified and differ only on policy (policy that is constitutionally acceptable, that is) dignified debates are the preferred choice.

When one of the candidates proposes wildly unconstitutional policies, promotes violence, lies constantly and is completely unqualified through lack of knowledge and lack of anything resembling a moral compass, then what is the “polite” way of getting voters to understand that?

Hillary has to expose his unpreparedness, ignorance, impulsiveness and other flaws to protect us all from what would be a dangerously disastrous presidency.

177
goddamnedfrank  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:29:43pm

re: #158 Nyet

His age is an issue.

For me it’s all comes back to pragmatism. Bernie is a man who, like Trump, is clearly unaware of his limitations. He doesn’t have any fucking idea how he’s going to enact his policies, this week’s Rolling Stone interview re-confirmed this. He demonstrated a clear contempt for the black vote by refusing to readjust his message in the face of early failures in diverse states, again demonstrating an inability to recognize limitations and adjust. He’s too “busy running for President” to prepare for expected questions from Univision on socialist failures in South America.

Falling asleep is just a kind of visual way of symbolizing the problem, he’s ambitious to the point where he extends himself well beyond his abilities. He’s incapable of realizing that he should cancel an event before he’s in danger of falling asleep at it.

A man’s GOT to know his limitations.

Eastwood- A Man’s Got to Know his Limitations

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Stanley Sea  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:31:31pm

em>re: #175 darthstar

Classic. And yes, it’s good to have a spine - that’s why I’ve enjoyed Obama’s two terms…especially the current no fucks to give era.

Well, when you are faced with a proto fascist, racist, not well in the head opponent, you better bring the freaking spine.

179
goddamnedfrank  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:31:41pm

re: #162 darthstar

Fair enough. I think she could beat him without the vapors-inspiring rhetoric, and hell, we’re talking about Trump here - she SHOULD beat him on qualifications alone.

She should do everything possible to beat him by the widest margin possible. The stakes are just too high for your lofty idealistic bullshit. You’re so far removed from the problem that it doesn’t even occur to you anymore that real people’s lives are at stake.

180
EPR-radar  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:33:50pm

re: #175 darthstar

Classic. And yes, it’s good to have a spine - that’s why I’ve enjoyed Obama’s two terms…especially the current no fucks to give era.

Help me here. How is Hillary Clinton going after Trump’s temperament issues in a foreign policy context unreasonably nasty, while Obama’s accurate depictions of the consequences of Republican policies are somehow not nasty?

Two footnotes:

1) Trump’s personality issues are absolutely fair game, especially in connection with foreign policy.

2) Going after Trump on some astral plan of pure idealized policy differences is a fool’s game because Trump has no ideology other than thinking he should be the one in charge.

181
Nyet  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:35:43pm

re: #167 darthstar

Oh, but of course it is.

Some pretend otherwise and scream about “ageism”.

182
stpaulbear  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:35:48pm

re: #176 KerFuFFler

When candidates are competent, qualified and differ only on policy (policy that is constitutionally acceptable, that is) dignified debates are the preferred choice.

When one of the candidates proposes wildly unconstitutional policies, promotes violence, lies constantly and is completely unqualified through lack of knowledge and lack of anything resembling a moral compass, then what is the “polite” way of getting voters to understand that?

Hillary has to expose his unpreparedness, ignorance, impulsiveness and other flaws to protect us all from what would be a dangerously disastrous presidency.

Especially given that the media isn’t willing to do it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:37:05pm

re: #137 wrenchwench

The most silly thing you have typed so far.

But he’s NOT CRITICIZING her!!11!!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:38:09pm

re: #177 goddamnedfrank

For me it’s all comes back to pragmatism. Bernie is a man who, like Trump, is clearly unaware of his limitations. He doesn’t have any fucking idea how he’s going to enact his policies, this week’s Rolling Stone interview re-confirmed this. He demonstrated a clear contempt for the black vote by refusing to readjust his message in the face of early failures in diverse states, again demonstrating an inability to recognize limitations and adjust. He’s too “busy running for President” to prepare for expected questions from Univision on socialist failures in South America.

Falling asleep is just a kind of visual way of symbolizing the problem, he’s ambitious to the point where he extends himself well beyond his abilities. He’s incapable of realizing that he should cancel an event before he’s in danger of falling asleep at it.

A man’s GOT to know his limitations.

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That was a real headscratcher. I mean, that is the kind of question for which he should have the answer preloaded - start by contrasting what those countries tried to do with what he’s trying to do, then contrast their overall economy with ours, explaining why what is true of them is not true of us, and finish off with why European Social Democracy is a better model, explaining why their more diverse economies are more like ours than, say, the oil-dependent economy of Venezuela.

The answer should be preloaded, because any intelligent interviewer will ask it, because that’s exactly what his opponent in the General would say. That he doesn’t have a prepared answer, nor indeed ANY answer, is mind boggling.

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dangerman  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:39:25pm

re: #180 EPR-radar

2) Going after Trump on some astral plan of pure idealized policy differences is a fool’s game because Trump has no ideology other than thinking he should be the one in charge.

best to not accept the premise or legitimize the position.

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dangerman  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:41:55pm

re: #184 Blind Frog Belly White

The answer should be preloaded, because any intelligent interviewer will ask it, because that’s exactly what his opponent in the General would say. That he doesn’t have a prepared answer, nor indeed ANY answer, is mind boggling.

The answer should be preloaded because that is what “running for president” is.

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retired cynic  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:49:50pm

re: #26 Shiplord Kirel

Here’s a cheery diversion:
GRAVEDIGGERS COMPETE IN RACE JUDGED ON SPEED—- AND STYLE

This story is from Hungary. i don’t think anyone has dug a grave by hand in this country in decades, at least not a legal one.

On a related note, I have been getting a wave of direct mail ads for funeral services, burial insurance, and the like.
Do they know something I don’t? All I can figure is that it is related to my upcoming birthday.

Actually, my plans are made and ready for (ahem) execution

[Embedded content]

Actually, not true! We have some small, steep cemeteries around here, and I know some of the graves were dug by hand in the 1990s, because I know people who did the digging!

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darthstar  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:53:03pm

re: #181 Nyet

Some pretend otherwise and scream about “ageism”.

Heavens, no!

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makeitstop  Jun 3, 2016 • 2:59:48pm

My bottom line is this - Clinton and her surrogates should hit Trump hard on all of his deficiencies, all day, every day. Pull. No. Punches.

She came out swinging because if she doesn’t, she’ll end up roadkill at the hands of a bully, just like all his Republican ‘opponents’ who were too fucking scared to take him on.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 3, 2016 • 3:08:01pm

re: #189 makeitstop

My bottom line is this - Clinton and her surrogates should hit Trump hard on all of his deficiencies, all day, every day. Pull. No. Punches.

She came out swinging because if she doesn’t, she’ll end up roadkill at the hands of a bully, just like all his Republican ‘opponents’ who were too fucking scared to take him on.

Secretary Clinton needs to go for Trump’s dang jugular and free that possum off his gigantic head. She has zero reasons to hold back when she’s attacking him for his multiple deficiencies. She needs to make voters terrified of him so when we vote in November, we’ll think of what she said about him and vote against him.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 3, 2016 • 3:29:04pm

re: #134 Kragar

WATCH: Alex Jones shares an ominous warning with America: Obama will ‘activate the Beyoncés’ www.[Embedded content]

Well, what if they have secret machine guns hidden inside their jugglies?

RBS

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 3, 2016 • 4:46:41pm

re: #163 Jenner7

[Embedded content]

Trump was in the middle of PTSD from the STD wars of the ’80s.


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