Trump Tries to Deflect Racism Accusations With Fake Photo of Black Family

He just keeps doing this
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Donald Trump just keeps retweeting insane people; white supremacists, racists, conspiracy nuts, you name it. It’s absolutely bizarre that even after all the criticism he’s gotten for this nasty habit, he just continues to do it.

The latest example: this morning he retweeted a photo from a complete raving nut sandwich named @Don_Vito_08, purporting to show an African American family that supports Trump:

Screenshot via Buzzfeed

The nut sandwich in question has now deleted the tweet after it was exposed as a fake — but Trump hasn’t.

But since the original tweet no longer exists, the falsely labeled photo doesn’t appear in Trump’s tweet any more:

Buzzfeed points out that the picture originally came from a “Midwest Black Family Reunion” in Ohio, and the family it shows is most decidedly not happy that Trump is using them to try to deflect charges of racism.

BuzzFeed News can reveal the parents in the photograph, pictured at right, are Eddie and Vanessa Perry — and they are not endorsing or publicly supporting any political candidate during the 2016 election.

Eddie Perry, who lives in Cincinnati, told BuzzFeed News his family has previously attended several of the Midwest Black Family Reunion Events and he remembers having his photograph taken last year. “It was no big deal,” he said.

On Saturday morning, however, a friend texted him a screenshot of Trump’s tweet. “When I saw it, I immediately knew it was political propaganda,” he said.

“Why use it without asking for someone’s permission?” he asked. “Why use our image without asking?”

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398 comments
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wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2016 • 1:50:59pm

Current mood:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2016 • 1:52:03pm

The image originated at WCPO in Cincinnati, and the TV station (and photographer) were less than pleased:
littlegreenfootballs.com

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 4, 2016 • 1:52:04pm

re: #1 wrenchwench

It’s hot and the day has a long to do list that is not making me happy.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 4, 2016 • 1:53:11pm

re: #1 wrenchwench

Current mood:

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Retweeted, because I know how that feels.

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wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2016 • 1:53:20pm

re: #3 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s hot and the day has a long to do list that is not making me happy.

Sometimes it is better not to know.

Maybe. Who knows?

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wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2016 • 1:54:50pm

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

Retweeted, because I know how that feels.

DF retweeted DeRay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Things are looking up.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 4, 2016 • 1:55:24pm

re: #5 wrenchwench

Sometimes it is better not to know.

Maybe. Who knows?

Yesterday marked 75 days in a row of walking at least 5,000 steps a day.

I have to figure out how I’m making that number today, because it won’t happen if I am lazy and sit on my butt.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2016 • 1:56:09pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 4, 2016 • 1:56:15pm

Yuck. Heavy rains are coming to Philly. It will be a very soggy Sunday. :(

wpc.ncep.noaa.gov

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wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2016 • 1:57:29pm

re: #7 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Yesterday marked 75 days in a row of walking at least 5,000 steps a day.

I have to figure out how I’m making that number today, because it won’t happen if I am lazy and sit on my butt.

Rest is an important part of any fitness regimen. One day out of 75 or 76 hardly seems adequate.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 4, 2016 • 1:59:02pm

re: #10 wrenchwench

Rest is an important part of any fitness regimen. One day out of 75 or 76 hardly seems adequate.

Eh, 5k steps isn’t that bad over the course of a day. I can normally pick up 2-3k just around the house, so it’s only having to go a little above and beyond (walking around the block twice could work).

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lockjawcanbefun  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:00:38pm

Might as well bring this back from last night:

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:00:52pm

re: #11 klys (maker of Silmarils)

This is why my goal is set to feel achievable, instead of something like 10k which is the recommended amount. I can guilt myself into making 5k to keep the streak going.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:00:58pm
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Stanley Sea  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:03:28pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:10:26pm

I don’t have a favorite reason to hope Trump fails. I do have a favorite reason to work for Hillary’s win:

Wasn’t somebody lamenting that they wanted something or someone to vote for?

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Charles Johnson  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:10:30pm

If you look at @Don_Vito_08’s Twitter time line, he’s a really unhinged person. Tweeting these crazy images over and over, dozens of times a day, non-stop. It’s a firehose of right wing insanity.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:10:42pm
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Dr. Matt  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:13:23pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

If you look at @Don_Vito_08’s Twitter time line, he’s a really unhinged person. Tweeting these crazy images over and over, dozens of times a day, non-stop. It’s a firehose of right wing insanity.

I wouldn’t put it past Trump that @Don_Vito_08 is part of his campaign staff or someone he knows…..hell, it could be a Trump sockpuppet.

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darthstar  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:16:47pm

re: #19 Dr. Matt

I wouldn’t put it past Trump that @Don_Vito_08 is part of his campaign staff or someone he know…..hell, it could be a Trump sockpuppet.

His real name is John Miller.

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nines09  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:17:18pm
I also keep a few around the house…
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:19:52pm

Well, um, at least he doesn’t refer to them as “my niggaz” like I was afraid he would in his speech the other day…

/silver lining…? :awkward:

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wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:20:42pm

Trump can evolve:

Some One of my best friends are is black.

One of my best friends acquaintances is black.

One of my acquiantences A person on a photo I stole is black.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:22:03pm

re: #23 wrenchwench

And he will all of those in the next few days.

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darthstar  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:22:54pm

Okay, so the theme for this week is Trump & black people. Can we mix it up a bit next week and have him talk about how all his shit that’s made in China isn’t really?

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darthstar  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:24:30pm
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nines09  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:25:06pm

re: #25 darthstar

Okay, so the theme for this week is Trump & black people. Can we mix it up a bit next week and have him talk about how all his shit that’s made in China isn’t really?

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Dr. Matt  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:26:04pm

re: #22 Pawn of the Oppressor

Well, um, at least he doesn’t refer to them as “my niggaz” like I was afraid he would in his speech the other day…

/silver lining…? :awkward:

It’s only a matter of time before he drops the n-bomb or calls Hillary a b*tch.

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bratwurst  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:26:40pm

You knew this hot take was coming:

I am waiting for the NRO think piece on this as well…much like the garbage David French wrote on the passing of Prince (no, I won’t link that shit).

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Dr. Matt  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:28:08pm

re: #29 bratwurst

You knew this hot take was coming:

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I am waiting for the NRO think piece on this as well…much like the garbage David French wrote on the passing of Prince (no, I won’t link that shit).

Last time I checked Ted Nugent was a draft dodger and he’s a right-wing God.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:29:05pm

re: #29 bratwurst

Can’t be a draft dodger when you actually show up in person to refuse induction, and be willing to go to jail.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:29:53pm
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nines09  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:30:08pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

Can’t be a draft dodger when you actually show up in person to refuse induction, and be willing to go to jail.

He ran from no one.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:32:20pm

re: #30 Dr. Matt

Last time I checked Ted Nugent was a draft dodger and he’s a right-wing God.

Well, that’s different. In Alt-Right Land, black people are supposed to accept their duty to be cannon-fodder.

Note: I’m not part of the alt-right.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:33:18pm

re: #29 bratwurst

You knew this hot take was coming:

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I am waiting for the NRO think piece on this as well…much like the garbage David French wrote on the passing of Prince (no, I won’t link that shit).

How was he a hypocrite? Now Mitt Romney, who demostrated in favor of the Vietnam War draft and then went off to France to make cute with mademoiselles. That’s a hypocrite and I don’t give a shti about his Mormon mission. There were plenty of LDS young men who went in combat like the men my grandfather served with. Fuck Breitbart and their bigoted bullshit. If you can’t appreciate Muhammad Ali, who the fuck can you appreciate?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:33:31pm

re: #33 nines09

He ran from no one.

Indeed.
Nor did he hide.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:33:38pm

I cannot recall all of the details but right after 9/11 Muhammad Ali released a statement about those events condemning them.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:34:12pm

re: #30 Dr. Matt

Last time I checked Ted Nugent was a draft dodger and he’s a right-wing God.

or Dick Cheney saying he had other priorities. Well shit, I bet a lot of the guys who were drafted and died didn’t want to be in the jungle either.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:34:13pm

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

Well, that’s different. In Alt-Right Land, black people are supposed to accept their duty to be cannon-fodder.

Note: I’m not part of the alt-right.

No, you’ll just vote for the candidates they put forward if they have an R next to their name.

I mean, that’s basically what you said downstairs earlier. Your principles don’t mean much if you’re willing to abandon them to go down with the ship, and that’s why people get so frustrated with you.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:35:22pm

I love this one:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:35:48pm

re: #37 PhillyPretzel

I cannot recall all of the details but right after 9/11 Muhammad Ali released a statement about those events condemning them.

He did after Paris I know. Regarding 9/11, there was Jerry Falwell who not even a week after 9/11 went on television to say we deserved the attacks because of social liberalism. Hasn’t stopped any Republican candidates from speaking at his sorry shitstain of an university but yet Reverend Wright was evil because goddamn America but wait Falwell was a white conservative so it’s a okay.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:36:57pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:38:41pm
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nines09  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:40:11pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

I remember seeing that. Ali hit Joe so hard, I felt it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:41:09pm

re: #29 bratwurst

You knew this hot take was coming:

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I am waiting for the NRO think piece on this as well…much like the garbage David French wrote on the passing of Prince (no, I won’t link that shit).

I totally do expect NRO to have their usual concern troll bs whining about the liberals who see Ali as a hero. Because you know transcending race and nationality (look how popular Ali was when he went to Zaire to fight Foreman and you’ll see what I mean) isn’t heroic or admirable at all.

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Anymouse  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:41:29pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

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In which city was this photograph taken? Do you know perchance? (I was in Gdansk last year, it is not that city.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:42:11pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:42:27pm

Ali retired well before I was born but I liked his quips. Everyone knows float like a butterfly, sting like a bee but he had a good one in preparing to fight Foreman in Zaire that he was so mean that he made medicine sick. I

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bratwurst  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:43:01pm

re: #39 klys (maker of Silmarils)

No, you’ll just vote for the candidates they put forward if they have an R next to their name.

I mean, that’s basically what you said downstairs earlier. Your principles don’t mean much if you’re willing to abandon them to go down with the ship, and that’s why people get so frustrated with you.

I am glad you mention this, because something else he wrote there has been gnawing at me all day.

Dark: the vast majority of the non-Republicans here are more than happy to call you friend and “one of us” the vast majority of the time.

At the same time, pretty much every single one of the Republicans who turn up on the stalker blog (SEVERAL of whom you begged Charles not to ban) call you horrible names and are more than happy to spread your personal information around.

For this reason, I think you insult most of us here when you bellyache about how you have to be a loyal Republican because you doubt anyone else would have you.

Pull your head out of your ass.

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nines09  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:44:32pm

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dear Rep. Martin Daniel;
Eat. Me.
Regards;
Your Friend
Col. Morris Davis
P.S.
Fuck off.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:44:45pm

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Calling him Cassius Clay is shitty too. One reason why Ali respected Howard Cosell is that Howard called him by the name he wanted to go by. It to relate to another great hero is why Roberto Clemente liked Bob Prince. Bob and Howard treated Roberto and Muhammad like men in an era where few treated African-Americans even African-Americans of high esteem like those two like men.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:46:48pm
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darthstar  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:46:49pm
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BeachDem  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:48:30pm

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Or—“shit I make up is now considered a quote.”

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:48:44pm

re: #46 Anymouse

In which city was this photograph taken? Do you know perchance? (I was in Gdansk last year, it is not that city.)

It’s called Suwałki, and its in northeastern Poland, not far from the Kaliningrad enclave borders.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:49:41pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

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I am tempted to give Erickson an atta boy for condemning Trump for being a bigot but then I remember that he’s fine with David French who is a fucking caveman and he loved him some Ted Cruz. So yeah maybe if Erick realizes that it’s not the man himself but the ideology behind that is the problem with Trump and that furthermore he’s been a part of that.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:52:06pm

re: #54 BeachDem

Of note is that goober is a state legislator, not a Congressman. He is still a Republican, as Knoxville has been GOP country since the Civil War.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:52:36pm

re: #54 BeachDem

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Or—“shit I make up is now considered a quote.”

I see a lot of conservatives say this and one of my friends was saying that was pretty much his ideology but he also was bellyaching about transpeople wanting to use the bathroom. I had to be blunt and ask him if he really thought the government should be in the place of enforcing who goes to the bathroom and how you’re supposed to tell someone’s birth gender by looking at them. I wasn’t a jerk about it but so much of conservative ideology is full of contradictory bs when it comes to the government. Don’t tell me you’re for limited government when you repeatedly push for the government to harass women choosing to get abortions or that YOUR religious beliefs think same sex marriage should be illegal so it should be illegal everywhere.

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Anymouse  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:52:40pm

My town’s village attorney (who is also the county prosecutor) is a Republican. As it happens, every elected official on the county board of supervisors, the school districts, and in all the incorporated villages and cities in my county, except for me, is a Republican.

That said, my village attorney is not a supporter of Mr. Trump. He is unhappy with the way his party has turned in support of Mr. Trump.

I think our county prosecutor/village attorney is just fine; his GOP affiliation in no way reflects Mr. Trump’s xenophobia and bigotry; I voted for him in the last election. (There were no Democrats on the ballot for any position in the county except for me, so generally here the choice is between which GOP candidate you like. We are a one-party county.)

He has not publicly distanced himself from Mr. Trump the way my senator Ben Sasse has, though in fairness my county prosecutor is not in a high profile position like Mr. Sasse. (He even took my joke about running my official village E-mail through my private E-mail server in stride during a village board meeting, when I asked if he was going to have me investigated like Hillary Clinton: His response was as far as he can tell Mrs. Clinton has done nothing wrong. Since that was in a board meeting, a number of villagers heard that, and I hope it sticks in their minds: The prosecutor here thinks she has done nothing wrong, and their own village trustee is doing the same thing.)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:53:23pm

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

Of note is that goober is a state legislator, not a Congressman. He is still a Republican, as Knoxville has been GOP country since the Civil War.

I did see that. There are people like him in legislatures in other states too and in the Congress though.

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nines09  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:54:16pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

All Erickson is concerned about is the damage Trump will give his brand of stealth Trump. Same cloth. Same intent. Crocodile tears. The other “designated” candidates were every bit as fucked in the head as Trump. Trump just hijacked the ride. It hurts. Cry me a river.

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Anymouse  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:54:31pm

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

It’s called Suwałki, and its in northeastern Poland, not far from the Kaliningrad enclave borders.

Thanks, Mr. Falcon. That’s on the other side of the Kaliningrad exclave from where we were in Gdansk.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:55:22pm

re: #61 nines09

All Erickson is concerned about is the damage Trump will give his brand of stealth Trump. Same cloth. Same intent. Crocodile tears. The other “designated” candidates were every bit as fucked in the head as Trump. Trump just hijacked the ride. It hurts. Cry me a river.

You’re not wrong at all about any of that especially the other candidates. In fact, Cruz in some ways showed himself to be worse than Trump.

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petesh  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:56:29pm

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ali did not FAIL to enlist, he REFUSED to enlist, publicly. For this he lost damn near everything, and he never backed down. Finally the Supreme Court ruled he had a right to conscientious objection, and let him resume his career, which he did despite the fact that he was probably already past his prime.

Rep Daniel is still using Ali’s slave name. It figures. He is very welcome to go and commit felonious sodomy on himself.

Not that I’m mad or anything.

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Belafon  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:57:59pm

re: #64 petesh

Slave name? What do you mean by that?

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Anymouse  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:58:50pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

You’re not wrong at all about any of that especially the other candidates. In fact, Cruz in some ways showed himself to be worse than Trump.

Senator Cruz is a theocrat. That would be far worse, especially for anyone not of his particular brand of theocracy. I suspect we atheists would be hanged first.

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nines09  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:59:27pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Cruz , for one, has done nothing, absolutely nothing, but try and parlay his office into a Theocracy. Duck Dynasty Dicks and all. The GOP lineup was like a list of infectious diseases. Thier platform consisted of how many people they were going to fuck. Not you, of course. Just everyone else.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 2:59:38pm

re: #64 petesh

Ali did not FAIL to enlist, he REFUSED to enlist, publicly. For this he lost damn near everything, and he never backed down. Finally the Supreme Court ruled he had a right to conscientious objection, and let him resume his career, which he did despite the fact that he was probably already past his prime.

Rep Daniel is still using Ali’s slave name. It figures. He is very welcome to go and commit felonious sodomy on himself.

Not that I’m mad or anything.

Re: Cassius Clay, I always did think it was interesting that this was who Muhammad was named after but still it’s totally disrespect. And you’re right, he did not fail to enlist, he refused to enlist for what he felt was an unjust war, there’s nothing wrong with that in our society. Now Mr. Daniel’s party’s last nominee was a man who demonstrated in favor of the war’s draft and then went to France for his mission. That’s a coward and hypcorite. What Ali did? What Ali did was fight for his beliefs.
en.wikipedia.org

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No Country For Old Haters  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:00:29pm

re: #65 Belafon

Slave name? What do you mean by that?

Cassius Clay is a name that white people gave to my slave master. Now that I am free, that I don’t belong anymore to anyone, that I’m not a slave anymore, I gave back their white name, and I chose a beautiful African one. Muhammad Ali
Read more at: brainyquote.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:02:22pm

What Ali did was really no different than the many Irish nationalists who Gaelicized their names as a way of defining themselves as Irishmen. Pretty cool I think.

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Anymouse  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:02:34pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

Re: Cassius Clay, I always did think it was interesting that this was who Muhammad was named after but still it’s totally disrespect. And you’re right, he did not fail to enlist, he refused to enlist for what he felt was an unjust war, there’s nothing wrong with that in our society. Now Mr. Daniel’s party’s last nominee was a man who demonstrated in favor of the war’s draft and then went to France for his mission. That’s a coward and hypcorite. What Ali did? What Ali did was fight for his beliefs.
en.wikipedia.org

Moreover, under the draft laws at the time, missionary work was not a legitimate reason to defer the draft. Essentially, Mr. Romney got a deferment because of who his father was (George Romney, former Governor of Michigan)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:02:54pm

re: #67 nines09

Cruz , for one, has done nothing, absolutely nothing, but try and parlay his office into a Theocracy. Duck Dynasty Dicks and all. The GOP lineup was like a list of infectious diseases. Thier platform consisted of how many people they were going to fuck. Not you, of course. Just everyone else.

Absolutely.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:04:05pm

re: #71 Anymouse

Moreover, under the draft laws at the time, missionary work was not a legitimate reason to defer the draft. Essentially, Mr. Romney got a deferment because of who his father was (George Romney, former Governor of Michigan)

What pisses me off regarding the mission is that I know for a fact that there were plenty of LDS men that served alongside my grandfather in Korea. You know if Mitt believed so strongly in the draft and the Vietnam War, he should have been to the front of the line to enlist but he hid and that’s because Mitt Romney unlike the late Muhammad Ali is a big wimp.

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Anymouse  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:06:51pm

re: #73 HappyWarrior

What pisses me off regarding the mission is that I know for a fact that there were plenty of LDS men that served alongside my grandfather in Korea. You know if Mitt believed so strongly in the draft and the Vietnam War, he should have been to the front of the line to enlist but he hid and that’s because Mitt Romney unlike the late Muhammad Ali is a big wimp.

While Mr. Romney was doing his mission in Paris, my mother was serving in the Navy, and my father was killed in Vietnam. I do not have a particularly high opinion of Mr. Romney.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:06:58pm

I’m ranting I realize but if this representative is going to slam Ali for refusing to be inducted, he really should look at who his party has nominated in 2012 and will this year.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:07:42pm

re: #74 Anymouse

While Mr. Romney was doing his mission in Paris, my mother was serving in the Navy, and my father was killed in Vietnam. I do not have a particularly high opinion of Mr. Romney.

I don’t blame you at all. I think Romney’s an asshole.

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bratwurst  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:08:10pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

I’m ranting I realize but if this representative is going to slam Ali for refusing to be inducted, he really should look at who his party has nominated in 2012 and will this year.

That is different. Both of them are white.

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wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:08:21pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:09:06pm

re: #78 wrenchwench

That is probably the real reason.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:09:46pm

re: #77 bratwurst

That is different. Both of them are white.

Of course.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:13:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:14:32pm
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Anymouse  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:15:07pm

I killed the last thread, so I will repost here (if that is prohibited, please inform me so I don’t do it again).

Eric the Fruit Bat wrote:
littlegreenfootballs.com

The real core problem is that the pesky preamble on The Second Amendment is for all practical purposes inoperable-which makes me wonder why the Second Amendment is even enforceable in today’s world-“A well regulated militia….”?

But the militia clause of the II Amendment is workable today. What the NRA never quotes is the militia clause of Article I Section 8 of the main body of the Constitution, which defines the government’s role in the militia.

To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

The NRA doesn’t want its members to read that. The Constitution runs counter to their narrative. The militia is armed and organised by Congress, not gun shops.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:15:13pm

re: #64 petesh

Ali did not FAIL to enlist, he REFUSED to enlist, publicly. For this he lost damn near everything, and he never backed down. Finally the Supreme Court ruled he had a right to conscientious objection, and let him resume his career, which he did despite the fact that he was probably already past his prime.

Rep Daniel is still using Ali’s slave name. It figures. He is very welcome to go and commit felonious sodomy on himself.

Not that I’m mad or anything.

You bring up a key point that RWNJs don’t / won’t mention. The Supreme court in an 8-0 decision (I believe that it was Marshall than reused himself) stated that his request for CO status had been improperly denied. (and also the fact that the chairman of the original board recommended for CO status).

Of course, Trump has bone spurs or something like that. But then again, when you have a very rich family, you can always find a doctor to diagnose what you need and a friend on the board you can lean on.

RBS

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Stanley Sea  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:15:38pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:16:20pm

Damn. Just saw a local news report there is a big GOP fundraiser here in Columbus tonight trying to keep Rob Portman’s senate reelection campaign afloat. Looks like Ohio GOP is worried about the money to back his run.

Anyways…Hugh Hewitt is going to be there as the featured speaker.

UGGH!

We seem to let just anyone come to this city anymore.

And weather report wise…it is really strange. Right now the northwestern section of the city is getting hammered with a heavy heavy downpour storm. My central and the south and east areas are all almost sunny.

This also could have something to do with Hewitt. He may be at Muirfield Village Golf Club at the Memorial Golf Tournament starting that fund raising early. That’s be one place to do it. That is one area getting hammered.

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Anymouse  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:17:14pm

re: #84 Reality Based Steve

Of course, Trump has bone spurs or something like that. But then again, when you have a very rich family, you can always find a doctor to diagnose what you need and a friend on the board you can lean on.

RBS

But Trump’s physician assured us he would be the healthiest person to ever hold the Presidency.

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TK-421  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:17:41pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

There’s always an angle with these people. He’s providing cover for his scum compatriots.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:18:52pm

re: #9 PhillyPretzel

Yuck. Heavy rains are coming to Philly. It will be a very soggy Sunday. :(

wpc.ncep.noaa.gov

Same here. We pretty much always get the same weather as you guys. NY too.

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Nyet  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:18:54pm

Ah, Gdansk. I’ve just been digging pretty extensively into the Danzig human soap factory legend these weeks.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:19:32pm

re: #87 Anymouse

But Trump’s physician assured us he would be the healthiest person to ever hold the Presidency.

It’s just a flesh wound.

RBS

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:19:39pm

re: #49 bratwurst

Well, we both said our pieces into the void. The most respect I can offer DF these days is to refrain from downdinging unless he says something really egregious.

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TK-421  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:19:56pm

re: #74 Anymouse

Yep my dad came home damaged goods, beat his family and then left us with nothing. I started high school living in a car with 2 sibs and mom. Romney can choke on a corndog, the slimy scumbag.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:20:19pm

Ants found the damn catfood again.

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BeachDem  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:21:08pm

re: #73 HappyWarrior

What pisses me off regarding the mission is that I know for a fact that there were plenty of LDS men that served alongside my grandfather in Korea. You know if Mitt believed so strongly in the draft and the Vietnam War, he should have been to the front of the line to enlist but he hid and that’s because Mitt Romney unlike the late Muhammad Ali is a big wimp.

And remember, Romney then said that his sons were serving the country by working on dad’s campaign. Ugh. Now I have a picture of Romney’s sons in my brain.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:21:16pm

re: #94 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Ants found the damn catfood again.

So show the cats where the antfood is. Turn the freaking tables on the little bastards.

RBS

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:22:25pm

re: #96 Reality Based Steve

So show the cats where the antfood is. Turn the freaking tables on the little bastards.

RBS

I’d love to but they’re coming in from outside and our cats are strictly indoor only.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:22:54pm

amazon in is rotating display is honoring Muhammad Ali.

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BeachDem  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:23:13pm

re: #84 Reality Based Steve

You bring up a key point that RWNJs don’t / won’t mention. The Supreme court in an 8-0 decision (I believe that it was Marshall than reused himself) stated that his request for CO status had been improperly denied. (and also the fact that the chairman of the original board recommended for CO status).

Of course, Trump has bone spurs or something like that. But then again, when you have a very rich family, you can always find a doctor to diagnose what you need and a friend on the board you can lean on.

RBS

And Trump’s bone spurs were so serious, he can’t remember which foot they were on.

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Jay C  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:23:24pm

re: #91 Reality Based Steve

It’s just a flesh wound.

RBS

And besides, he got better!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:23:34pm

re: #94 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Ants found the damn catfood again.

amazon.com

Best thing ever to store pet food.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:24:10pm

re: #83 Anymouse

I killed the last thread, so I will repost here (if that is prohibited, please inform me so I don’t do it again).

Eric the Fruit Bat wrote:
littlegreenfootballs.com

But the militia clause of the II Amendment is workable today. What the NRA never quotes is the militia clause of Article I Section 8 of the main body of the Constitution, which defines the government’s role in the militia.

To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

The NRA doesn’t want its members to read that. The Constitution runs counter to their narrative. The militia is armed and organized by Congress, not gun shops.

Congress can arm the militia, but the first Militia Act required those enrolled in its ranks to provide their own musket or rifle, which did had to meet government standards. That last was needed because a poorly made musket was as dangerous to the firer and those standing next to him as to the enemy. Militia, if trained, like most infantry of the time fought in ranks.

Those doing militia service did retain their rifles after serving, so perhaps we can at least agree that the 2nd Amendment protects some rifles and authorizes the CMP. It is, of course, to be noted that the CMP-sold rifles are far deadlier than anything that existed in the Founding Era.

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Skip Intro  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:24:36pm

re: #87 Anymouse

But Trump’s physician assured us he would be the healthiest person to ever hold the Presidency.

“If elected, Mr. Trump, I can state unequivocally, will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency,” Bornstein, an internal medicine and gastroenterology specialist who works at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York, wrote in the letter dated December 4.
Bornstein is not believed to have evaluated any past presidents.

So now we know that Trump also goes by the name of Dr. Bornstein.

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Anymouse  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:24:53pm

re: #90 Nyet

Ah, Gdansk. I’ve just been digging pretty extensively into the Danzig human soap factory legend these weeks.

My father’s family left Danzig Free State (Gdansk) and came to the USA as illegal immigrants (thanks for laws prohibiting Slavs from immigrating because they were supposedly intellectually inferior and referred to as niCLANGs by some), just before the Nazis rolled in and seized Danzig.

My father’s father enlisted in the US Army and perished fighting against the Nazi fascists that had destroyed his country (Poland). His wife was in the WAC working stateside.

According to Representative Steve King of Iowa, I should be deported as the grandchild of an illegal immigrant to Poland. (He has said grandchildren of illegal immigrants should be deported.) I am glad Steve King is not my representative (though I am not happy with Adrian Smith).

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:25:02pm

Sorry, I can’t stay but I will return later tonight.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:25:07pm

re: #101 GlutenFreeJesus

amazon.com

Best thing ever to store pet food.

It’s not the stored stuff, it’s the stuff in the timed feeders. :/ Unfortunately. The timed feeders are way too big to do the “put in a bigger bowl of water” trick.

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Skip Intro  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:25:45pm

re: #99 BeachDem

And Trump’s bone spurs were so serious, he can’t remember which foot they were on.

That’s where Limbaugh was smart, having anal cysts and all.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:26:47pm

Welp, Breitbart has stopped pretending to respect Muhammad Ali. Didn’t even take them a day to start the race-baiting this time.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:26:51pm

re: #104 Anymouse

My father’s family left Danzig Free State (Gdansk) and came to the USA as illegal immigrants (thanks for laws prohibiting Slavs from immigrating because they were supposedly intellectually inferior and referred to as niCLANGs by some), just before the Nazis rolled in and seized Danzig.

My father’s father enlisted in the US Army and perished fighting against the Nazi fascists that had destroyed his country (Poland). His wife was in the WAC working stateside.

According to Representative Steve King of Iowa, I should be deported as the grandchild of an illegal immigrant to Poland. (He has said grandchildren of illegal immigrants should be deported.) I am glad Steve King is not my representative (though I am not happy with Adrian Smith).

Grandchildren of illegal immigrants? Holy fuck. I knew Steve King was a pathetic racist piece of shit but man that one takes the prize.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:27:06pm

Just learned something really neat… Mohammad Ali got his whole “I am the Greatest” shtick after seeing and meeting the wrestler Gorgeous George.

Youtube Video

RBS

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Nyet  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:27:20pm

re: #104 Anymouse

Relax, you have a [[[white card]]] with a border security override.
/

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CuriousLurker  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:27:28pm

Okay, I can’t catch up with the thread so I’m gonna stop trying because the only reason I came by right now was to drop these off for anyone who could use a little diversion:

BBL

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:27:31pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

Welp, Breitbart has stopped pretending to respect Muhammad Ali. Didn’t even take them a day to start the race-baiting this time.

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I expect NRO to have a follow up about how awful liberals are for thinking Ali was a hero. It won’t be overt crap like this but their usual subtle crap.

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BeachDem  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:27:46pm

re: #103 Skip Intro

“If elected, Mr. Trump, I can state unequivocally, will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency,” Bornstein, an internal medicine and gastroenterology specialist who works at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York, wrote in the letter dated
Bornstein is not believed to have evaluated any past presidents.

So now we know that Trump also goes by the name of Dr. Bornstein.

Also, am I “misremebering” or didn’t the letter come from the father Bornstein who had not treated Trump in many years?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:28:01pm

re: #95 BeachDem

And remember, Romney then said that his sons were serving the country by working on dad’s campaign. Ugh. Now I have a picture of Romney’s sons in my brain.

Yep I remember that in 2008 and I wanted someone to smack Romney for it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:28:38pm

re: #93 TK-421

Yep my dad came home damaged goods, beat his family and then left us with nothing. I started high school living in a car with 2 sibs and mom. Romney can choke on a corndog, the slimy scumbag.

Sorry about your Dad man.

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BeachDem  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:29:02pm

re: #107 Skip Intro

That’s where Limbaugh was smart, having anal cysts and all.

Okay—that did make me laugh. Heh.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:30:21pm

Well it was easy to diagnose Limbaugh with an anal cyst since he’s one of the biggest they’ve probably seen. Okay, mean and I admit I don’t like dehumanizing rhetoric but given it’s Limbaugh who mocked the appearance of a 13 year old girl, I don’t feel guilty for calling a sixty five year old man an anal cyst.

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nines09  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:30:45pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

Breitbart, not a news service, just a Port-O-John, never cleaned, and overflowing.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:31:02pm
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Anymouse  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:31:34pm

re: #111 Nyet

Relax, you have a [[[white card]]] with a border security override.
/

They gave me a security clearance in the Navy so I suppose I passed something.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:31:54pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

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Their last two nominees dodged out of the war.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:32:17pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

Well it was easy to diagnose Limbaugh with an anal cst since he’s one of the biggest they’ve probably seen. Okay, mean and I admit I don’t like dehumanizing rhetoric but given it’s Limbaugh who mocked the appearance of a 13 year old girl, I don’t feel guilty for calling a sixty five year old man an anal cyst.

Quite frankly I think that’s uncalled for and WAY out of line. Now go apologize to the nice anal cyst right now. How do you think it feels? How would you feel if somebody called you a limbaugh. Not so funny now, is it?

RBS

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wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:32:46pm

re: #90 Nyet

Ah, Gdansk. I’ve just been digging pretty extensively into the Danzig human soap factory legend these weeks.

You do the most interesting work. However, I am completely lacking in jealousy.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:33:06pm

re: #123 Reality Based Steve

Quite frankly I think that’s uncalled for and WAY out of line. Now go apologize to the nice anal cyst right now. How do you think it feels? How would you feel if somebody called you a limbaugh. Not so funny now, is it?

RBS

LLOL- Literally laughing out loud!

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Anymouse  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:33:24pm

re: #93 TK-421

Yep my dad came home damaged goods, beat his family and then left us with nothing. I started high school living in a car with 2 sibs and mom. Romney can choke on a corndog, the slimy scumbag.

My family was left living with my maternal grandparents after my father was killed, and my mother receiving something north of $90 a month for a widow benefit.

Yeah, I am not a fan of Mr. Romney.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:34:04pm

re: #126 Anymouse

My family was left living with my maternal grandparents after my father was killed, and my mother receiving something north of $90 a month for a widow benefit.

Yeah, I am not a fan of Mr. Romney.

But it was hard for Mitt, he could never get over the silver spoon that was lodged in his asshole. :(

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Anymouse  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:34:35pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

But it was hard for Mitt, he could never get over the silver spoon that was lodged in his asshole. :(

Too bad it wasn’t a fork.

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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:37:19pm

Regarding Ali. I heard George Foreman on ESPN radio earlier today. He had some great stories and it showed how much he admired him even after suffering a defeat to him in the Rumble in the Jungle.

He said he heard about Ali’s Rope-a-Dope technique but thought he could pound him anyway. So he went into that fight full of confidence that an older Ali could never beat the young, heavy-punching Foreman.

He said he got Ali up against the ropes and found out what it was all about. Ali ducked and dived missing punch after punch while Foreman was wearing himself out trying to connect.

His words: “Ali was on the rope…I was the dope!”

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teleskiguy  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:37:38pm

National Review commissioned this study from The Institute for The Incredibly Fucking Obvious.

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TK-421  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:37:58pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

Thanks, he’s an “ok” guy now. Hasn’t beat anyone since the 80s as far as I know. It Pisa s me off when these conservative belch about “pick themselves up by bootstraps etc.” While their daddies were home, scamming, conning and whatever while others were out there giving everything they had. Romney’s precious family might have had a different outcome if someone smashed him on the head with a shovel in Vietnam and he came home drooling in a cup. No, his delicate ass went to France to push his superstition and god knows what other con he had going.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:39:42pm

re: #130 teleskiguy

National Review commissioned this study from The Institute for The Incredibly Fucking Obvious.

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That NRO has been helping nurture for years.

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Anymouse  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:41:31pm

Well, it’s way past my bedtime (I sleep in the day), but dayumn LGF is an interesting place for conversation. It’s like a drug, man.

However, if I don’t get off to bed, I am going to fall asleep at my computer and then all you’ll see from me is hhhhhhhhhhhhggasdfaigggggggggggggg as my head lands on the keyboard… .

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:42:05pm

re: #128 Anymouse

Too bad it wasn’t a fork.

Something nice and broad from the service, not the setting. Asparagus fork.

I guess where it’s going, the pattern doesn’t matter.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:42:35pm

re: #131 TK-421

Thanks, he’s an “ok” guy now. Hasn’t beat anyone since the 80s as far as I know. It Pisa s me off when these conservative belch about “pick themselves up by bootstraps etc.” While their daddies were home, scamming, conning and whatever while others were out there giving everything they had. Romney’s precious family might have had a different outcome if someone smashed him on the head with a shovel in Vietnam and he came home drooling in a cup. No, his delicate ass went to France to push his superstition and god knows what other con he had going.

I know what you mean. If I had a dime that I heard that poor people just need to work harder or have a better work ethic, I’d go insane. And you’re right. Who knows how the hell Romney would have turned out if he had to go to Vietnam. I think what pissed off my grandfather, like your dad a vet wasn’t that guys like him didnt’ serve in war, it was how indifferent they were about other peoples loved ones in those wars.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:43:07pm

re: #134 The Ghost of a Flea

Something nice and broad from the service, not the setting. Asparagus fork.

I guess where it’s going, the pattern doesn’t matter.

I believe Louie Gohmert uses the Asparagus fork to pick his brain to come up with the Gohmertisms we all know and love.

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EPR-radar  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:43:10pm

re: #107 Skip Intro

That’s where Limbaugh was smart, having anal cysts and all.

Limbaugh probably has a tough time remembering which of his anuses had the cysts. It’s not like he has only one.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:43:54pm

re: #137 EPR-radar

Limbaugh probably has a tough time remembering which of his anuses had the cysts. It’s not like he has only one.

Well if it was the one where his mouth was, he probably had a hard time chewing.

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Nyet  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:44:04pm

re: #124 wrenchwench

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:44:31pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

I believe Louie Gohmert uses the Asparagus fork to pick his brain to come up with the Gohmertisms we all know and love.

Escargot tongs would be the perfect size and shape to fully enclose Gohmert’s brain.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:44:32pm

re: #129 ObserverArt

Regarding Ali. I heard George Foreman on ESPN radio earlier today. He had some great stories and it showed how much he admired him even after suffering a defeat to him in the Rumble in the Jungle.

He said he heard about Ali’s Rope-a-Dope technique but thought he could pound him anyway. So he went into that fight full of confidence that an older Ali could never beat the young, heavy-punching Foreman.

He said he got Ali up against the ropes and found out what it was all about. Ali ducked and dived missing punch after punch while Foreman was wearing himself out trying to connect.

His words: “Ali was on the rope…I was the dope!”

When We Were Kings was such a great documentary. That was my first real introduction to Ali.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:45:16pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:45:52pm

Jokes about heraldry, jokes about dinner service.

I’m basically an Edwardian toff displaced in time.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:45:59pm

re: #142 Eclectic Cyborg

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MY AFRICAN AMERICAN!

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Anymouse  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:46:10pm

re: #135 HappyWarrior

I know what you mean. If I had a dime that I heard that poor people just need to work harder or have a better work ethic, I’d go insane. And you’re right. Who knows how the hell Romney would have turned out if he had to go to Vietnam. I think what pissed off my grandfather, like your dad a vet wasn’t that guys like him didnt’ serve in war, it was how indifferent they were about other peoples loved ones in those wars.

There’s a reason this liberal puts his Gold Star banner up in his window on every military observance and holiday. Amongst other things, since it faces the church in town, it reminds those here in town who lost his father in combat when I was a child.

That banner represents the reason we should never commit our Armed Forces to any combat unless it is a just cause.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:46:16pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

When We Were Kings was such a great documentary. That was my first real introduction to Ali.

Mine too. Actually got to watch that in an HS media class. Best Class Ever!

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EPR-radar  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:49:03pm

I’m most of the way done with my civic duty for the CA primary.

It’s easier than ever to vote by mail in CA, since postage is now paid, and the envelope no longer has to be received by election day (a timely postmark will suffice).

I’m sure this improved ease of access gives CA Republicans the vapors, but to hell with them.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:49:14pm

re: #146 Eclectic Cyborg

Mine too. Actually got to watch that in an HS media class. Best Class Ever!

Yeah you brought it up last night. Terrific film wasn’t it? You really saw how Ali transcended nationality in it. The people of Zaire loved him. I felt bad for Foreman since it seemed like the entire country was rooting for Ali. I’m going to catch it again sometime.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:49:59pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

When We Were Kings was such a great documentary. That was my first real introduction to Ali.

Heard him speak on NPR just now. He was not just doing the usual “yes, he was a great athlete…” but was emphatically saying he was an exemplary human being. I understand the anger some black voices are expressing about the trope “he transcended race” due to Ali making America confront race, using his celebrity. But Foreman didn’t want him limited to the box of African-American issues advocate only. Not mutually contradictory: that’s what Pres. Obama’s statement said with some nuance.

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Skip Intro  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:50:11pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

Well it was easy to diagnose Limbaugh with an anal cyst since he’s one of the biggest they’ve probably seen. Okay, mean and I admit I don’t like dehumanizing rhetoric but given it’s Limbaugh who mocked the appearance of a 13 year old girl, I don’t feel guilty for calling a sixty five year old man an anal cyst.

It must really piss Rush off to be on socialized Medicare now. If only he’d kept his promise and, well, let Rush tell it.

“I’ll just tell you this, if this passes and it’s five years from now and all that stuff gets implemented — I am leaving the country. I’ll go to Costa Rica.”

Where there is universal government financed healthcare.

Liars. Every single one of them.

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TK-421  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:51:05pm

Anyone try the orijen cat food? It’s supposed to be the bees knees and I’m trying to ween George off of junk food.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:51:40pm

re: #150 Skip Intro

It must really piss Rush off to be on socialized Medicare now. If only he’d kept his promise and, well, let Rush tell it.

“I’ll just tell you this, if this passes and it’s five years from now and all that stuff gets implemented — I am leaving the country. I’ll go to Costa Rica.”

Where there is universal government financed healthcare.

Liars. Every single one of them.

Limbaugh in Costa Rica, Nugent dead or in jail: if these assholes would just stick to their promises.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:51:48pm

re: #149 Barefoot Grin

Heard him speak on NPR just now. He was not just doing the usual “yes, he was a great athlete…” but was emphatically saying he was an exemplary human being. I understand the anger some black voices are expressing about the trope “he transcended race” due to Ali making America confront race, using his celebrity. But Foreman didn’t want him limited to the box of African-American issues advocate only. Not mutually contradictory: that’s what Pres. Obama’s statement said with some nuance.

Right. I totally understand what George is saying. Anyhow, I saw a cool photo today of Ali with Willie Mays and Barry Bonds. Neat photo.

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Anymouse  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:52:58pm

re: #147 EPR-radar

I’m most of the way done with my civic duty for the CA primary.

It’s easier than ever to vote by mail in CA, since postage is now paid, and the envelope no longer has to be received by election day (a timely postmark will suffice).

I’m sure this improved ease of access gives CA Republicans the vapors, but to hell with them.

Interestingly, we have the same here in uber-red Nebraska.

The only problem Republicans seem to have with ease-of-access to voting is in states where the outcome might be contested. In this very red state, voting is by mail in all the rural areas, optional in the cities, and is just as easy as Oregon.

It’s almost as if they don’t really believe their rhetoric about in-person voter fraud (since voting-by-mail would make that very easy if someone simply went around town and swiped ballots from the mailboxes).

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:53:28pm

Silent football on a downdinging spree, I see.

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darthstar  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:53:56pm

I linked this by posting a response to a Sirota tweet upthread, but I just got around to actually reading it, and it’s a pretty good read…I recommend giving it a 10 minute skim at least.

washingtonpost.com

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Skip Intro  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:54:06pm

re: #130 teleskiguy

That “hair”. I just can’t figure out where it comes from or where it goes.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:54:21pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

Right. I totally understand what George is saying. Anyhow, I saw a cool photo today of Ali with Willie Mays and Barry Bonds. Neat photo.

I loved Ali when I was growing up. I thought the Ali-Cosell relationship was funny as hell. But I grew to respect him after his fighting career stopped.

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thedopefishlives  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:55:03pm

re: #155 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Silent football on a downdinging spree, I see.

I never understood that particular phenomenon. I don’t downding much to begin with, but to just go through and downding stuff and not come out and comment on the topic… why? I don’t get it. People will notice, it’s not like you’re hiding anything.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:55:31pm

re: #158 Barefoot Grin

I loved Ali when I was growing up. I thought the Ali-Cosell relationship was funny as hell. But I grew to respect him after his fighting career stopped.

I remember reading that Howard was one of the few journalists to call him Ali while many were still calling him Clay. I read a similiar bit about Bob Prince (Pirates broadcaster) and Roberto Clemente.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:56:07pm

FYI: Serial down-dinger on the Sarandon dead thread. User is Jalus, who has never contributed a single comment.

Okay, the down-dings are even for completely unrelated innocuous stuff.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:56:11pm

re: #159 thedopefishlives

I never understood that particular phenomenon. I don’t downding much to begin with, but to just go through and downding stuff and not come out and comment on the topic… why? I don’t get it. People will notice, it’s not like you’re hiding anything.

They’re downdinging EVERYTHING from that thread, as far as I can tell. It’s a little odd.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:56:54pm

re: #162 klys (maker of Silmarils)

They’re downdinging EVERYTHING from that thread, as far as I can tell. It’s a little odd.

Someone has way too much time on their hands.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:57:24pm

re: #159 thedopefishlives

I never understood that particular phenomenon. I don’t downding much to begin with, but to just go through and downding stuff and not come out and comment on the topic… why? I don’t get it. People will notice, it’s not like you’re hiding anything.

Honestly, I think my time here I’ve DDed maybe but a handful times and when I have, I come out and say why I’ve done it.

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thedopefishlives  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:57:57pm

re: #162 klys (maker of Silmarils)

They’re downdinging EVERYTHING from that thread, as far as I can tell. It’s a little odd.

Oh noes! I posted in that thread! My precious karma will be negatively impacted! Whatever shall I do?!?!

[Clutches pearls.]

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Schroedinger's Dog  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:58:14pm

I don’t generally downding unless someone is being obviously stupid and obtuse.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:58:27pm

re: #161 CuriousLurker

Hmm. Should I pull out the grill?

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Schroedinger's Dog  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:58:31pm

re: #165 thedopefishlives

Oh noes! I posted in that thread! My precious karma will be negatively impacted! Whatever shall I do?!?!

[Clutches pearls.]

My karma ran over your dogma

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thedopefishlives  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:59:11pm

re: #166 Schroedinger’s Dog

I don’t generally downding unless someone is being obviously stupid and obtuse.

Last time we had a troll loose here, I mentioned that I am liberal with my updings and stingy with my downdings. Since Charles implemented the dinging feature, I’ve handed out thousands of updings and probably less than 50 downdings.

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thedopefishlives  Jun 4, 2016 • 3:59:40pm

re: #167 PhillyPretzel

Hmm. Should I pull out the grill?

If it speaks, we feast.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:00:03pm

re: #165 thedopefishlives

Yeah, I’ve got plenty of positive karma and it doesn’t affect my real life in any way, but I detest that sort of sneaky, chicken-shit behavior. It reeks of sock puppet.

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Nyet  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:00:18pm

re: #161 CuriousLurker

Jalus is jelly.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:00:28pm

re: #170 thedopefishlives

Got it. :)

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CuriousLurker  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:00:42pm

re: #167 PhillyPretzel

Hmm. Should I pull out the grill?

Meh, I don’t think it has the nerve to actually comment or it would have by now.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:00:58pm

We have a wild down-dinger in the Susan Sarandon thread. Going through the whole thing and negging every comment.

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Nyet  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:01:13pm

re: #162 klys (maker of Silmarils)

A color-blind dyslexic? //

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teleskiguy  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:01:42pm

I’m going to say

PURPLE MONKEY DISHWASHER

and see if Jalus downdings it. Hee hee!

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:01:46pm

re: #176 Nyet

A color-blind dyslexic? //

With OCD?

RBS

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TK-421  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:02:39pm

I was at work last night and wifey texted that she was grilling a turkey, false alarm it went on the grill today. She just texted that the bird is browning very nicely. 4 more hours in my hole…sigh.

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TK-421  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:03:02pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Think it’s Tim Robbins?

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:03:14pm

re: #174 CuriousLurker

re: #175 Charles Johnson

The weber is standing by with a chimney full of coals. :)

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Nyet  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:03:17pm

re: #178 Reality Based Steve

With OCD?

RBS

I’ts CDO CDO CDO.

//

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CuriousLurker  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:04:26pm

re: #181 PhillyPretzel

The weber is standing by with a chimney full of coals. :)

It’s really bizarre behavior. Maybe s/he’s trying to punish the whole thread since s/he can’t make Charles take it down.

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darthstar  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:04:36pm

re: #157 Skip Intro

That “hair”. I just can’t figure out where it comes from or where it goes.

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dangerman  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:04:48pm

re: #54 BeachDem

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Correctly sized government is better government. If only there was an agreed upon criteria for “size”.

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thedopefishlives  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:04:57pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

We have a wild down-dinger in the Susan Sarandon thread. Going through the whole thing and negging every comment.

I wonder if it realizes that most of us regulars have amassed enough karma that we could literally not care less.

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darthstar  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:05:16pm

re: #184 darthstar

You kind of need to be an expert on currents.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:05:23pm

re: #183 CuriousLurker

Nope, moving to the next thread now.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:05:40pm

re: #168 Schroedinger’s Dog

My karma ran over your dogma

And my nihilism…no wait I don’t care about this.

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Nyet  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:06:00pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:06:06pm

re: #188 CuriousLurker

Oy vey. This is not good.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:06:19pm

re: #182 Nyet

I’ts CDO CDO CDO.

//

Neener Neener Neener.

RBS

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Charles Johnson  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:07:09pm

Wow, look at that. Down-dinging everything.

I think it’s time to put a stop to this.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:07:30pm

re: #193 Charles Johnson

I concur

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Anymouse  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:07:49pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

We have a wild down-dinger in the Susan Sarandon thread. Going through the whole thing and negging every comment.

Is that banworthy behaviour, or just mockable?

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Charles Johnson  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:08:37pm

re: #195 Anymouse

I was going to just laugh at it, but then the troll went on to the next thread and did the same thing. Buh-bye!

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dangerman  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:08:40pm

re: #77 bratwurst

That is different. Both of them are white.

and neither demonstrated the courage of his “convictions”

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Nyet  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:08:49pm

Maybe a restriction on downdinging: only someone who’s commented in the last, say, 100 days is allowed to?

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CuriousLurker  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:08:54pm

re: #186 thedopefishlives

I wonder if it realizes that most of us regulars have amassed enough karma that we could literally not care less.

afeAogKIg5+xfHUyvGOCt9VdnRRs+mPUMeJUvTsYnGCPXKEHqXWL23nnXpbRDodHaGgK29TxuaVr9A0jPjX/PZypLnUjjXzqTEGrsdqJ8RrG2pyTeRaQnLyXi+L0a180p6SGVdIjHeeOWf5+QQWj8sjacY5q1FcZPubHyguKAB/uWMTQx1wAPsQ5yguTCn9eFt+ylNOnxNLS4CWnA+OTanDxe15b54c/QjKTnUJcQ5puweQcZgDBPZQhPGEfMbBIa0xzFES4HXGfjmVy/xScUaYts8gS11BySqO8xP/OVEhKNJQiaqJiIw1zUsBe+8goiwF1cnyxjtJDewG66YV7TB4Nqfc+Wf8M

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:09:23pm

A wild DOWNDINGER attacks!

>FIGHT
>RUN
>ITEM
>WHISKEY

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thedopefishlives  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:09:23pm

re: #193 Charles Johnson

Wow, look at that. Down-dinging everything.

I think it’s time to put a stop to this.

Would this be the time to suggest adding the ability to control individual users’ permissions re: dinging? So if we have a silent lurker who is a serial dinger, you could disable their dinging privileges without having to throw a banhammer at them. Not sure if there’s any value added in that.

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Skip Intro  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:09:44pm

re: #184 darthstar

So that looks like he’s bringing really long hair from the back of his head across his bald spot, then using rollers to make it do a 180 back over his head, all held in place with glue.

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Nyet  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:10:38pm

re: #200 The Ghost of a Flea

YOUR WHISKEY WAS SUPEREFFECTIVE!

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thedopefishlives  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:11:28pm

re: #203 Nyet

YOUR WHISKEY WAS SUPEREFFECTIVE!

Yeah, it usually is on me.

Speaking of which, that sounds good. After fishspawn go to bed, I think I’ll pop down to the liquor store and restock, since I drank myself out of it a couple of weeks back.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:11:43pm

>GIVE WHISKEY TO BIRD

RBS

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CuriousLurker  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:11:56pm

re: #198 Nyet

Maybe a restriction on downdinging: only someone who’s commented in the last, say, 100 days is allowed to?

Or you can’t issue more than X down-dings in X minutes. I mean seriously, even when there’s a pile-on I don’t think I’ve ever handed out more than a couple of dozen down-dings in a 24-hour period.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:12:34pm

re: #203 Nyet

YOUR WHISKEY WAS SUPEREFFECTIVE!

Yeah, but it sucks when you learn a new booze and it has to replace one of the four you already know.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:13:32pm

re: #201 thedopefishlives

Would this be the time to suggest adding the ability to control individual users’ permissions re: dinging? So if we have a silent lurker who is a serial dinger, you could disable their dinging privileges without having to throw a banhammer at them. Not sure if there’s any value added in that.

If they’re so weird they’re just down-dinging everything as fast as possible without regard to content, I don’t think there’s any point in keeping them around.

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Anymouse  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:13:45pm

re: #203 Nyet

YOUR WHISKEY WAS SUPEREFFECTIVE!

Mine is too, Military Special mixed in cherry Kool-Aid.

As for my Smart karma, it survived without damage hitting a deer at sixty miles per hour last year (though the deer was totalled); I suspect what little karma I have here (way smaller than my Smart) will survive downdings.

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thedopefishlives  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:14:33pm

re: #208 Charles Johnson

If they’re so weird they’re just down-dinging everything as fast as possible without regard to content, I don’t think there’s any point in keeping them around.

I’d agree, I just didn’t know if there was a use case where we might want to consider that level of fine-grained control. I just make the suggestions, I leave it to other people to make the decisions. Then I build the shit and they tell me how much it sucks.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:14:56pm

re: #207 The Ghost of a Flea

Yeah, but it sucks when you learn a new booze and it has to replace one of the four you already know.

I just died laughing. Thank you.

In other news, my ballot is filled out and ready to drop off.

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teleskiguy  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:15:04pm

Fucker didn’t even have the guts to actually *say something.* Boring troll is boring.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:15:16pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:16:06pm

Adios, Jalus.

1990. Black Crowes - Jealous Again HQ

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:17:36pm

I hope you people are laughing.

Because I’m staring into the existential void, trying to figure out how I know so much about Pokemon, in spite of it being a trend that launched when I was in college and me remembering no specific interaction with.

Did the Vorlons do this? I think it was Vorlons.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:17:43pm

Okay, returning to my Saturday now. Later, lizards.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:18:13pm
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thedopefishlives  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:18:39pm

re: #215 The Ghost of a Flea

I was in high school, I think, so I had friends who played it. My roommate in college was super into it; he played it on an emulator on his computer.

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EPR-radar  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:18:51pm

re: #215 The Ghost of a Flea

I hope you people are laughing.

Because I’m staring into the existential void, trying to figure out how I know so much about Pokemon, in spite of it being a trend that launched when I was in college and me remembering no specific interaction with.

Did the Vorlons do this? I think it was Vorlons.

Osmosis from children?

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Altermite  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:19:02pm

re: #83 Anymouse

The second amendment comes later, and therefore is read to supercede any prior parts of the constitution into which it comes into conflict.

In any case, the real issue with no-fly-list -> guns isn’t the second amendment, it’s the fifth, sixth, and 14th. The ACLU has litigated against the no fly list for this reason, and the logic applies to other uses to which it is put.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:19:17pm

re: #213 Charles Johnson

Far from the weirdest ever I assure you.

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William Lewis  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:19:58pm

re: #215 The Ghost of a Flea

I hope you people are laughing.

Because I’m staring into the existential void, trying to figure out how I know so much about Pokemon, in spite of it being a trend that launched when I was in college and me remembering no specific interaction with.

Did the Vorlons do this? I think it was Vorlons.

I have a now 14 year old son. I’ve played my share of Pokemon by now.

His DS was SUPEREFFECTIVE! on me :D

He still plays it but is getting into Magic: The Gathering as well.

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Anymouse  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:20:51pm

In good news (for us), the flood warnings for the North Platte River have been rescinded in Western Nebraska, except very close to they Wyoming line.

The river has been very high as Wyoming dams have been opened to release the snowmelt from high snowfall this year. We were concerned in my town the river would overtop the village sewage lagoons. Though it did jump its banks here, it did not flood the lagoons.

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teleskiguy  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:20:55pm

I was huge into Pogs in middle school. The charter school I attended banned the game during recess because it is basically gambling.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:22:06pm

re: #215 The Ghost of a Flea

I hope you people are laughing.

Because I’m staring into the existential void, trying to figure out how I know so much about Pokemon, in spite of it being a trend that launched when I was in college and me remembering no specific interaction with.

Did the Vorlons do this? I think it was Vorlons.

I didn’t play my first one (Sapphire) until senior year of high school.

The next set comes out in November, so I know what I’ll be playing on the plane come Christmas. >.>

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Targetpractice  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:22:16pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

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Well hell, if the Bros want to go there, let’s bring up Bernie’s rape essay.

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nines09  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:22:48pm

re: #214 wrenchwench

WTF. Must have run out of glue.

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Anymouse  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:23:01pm

re: #220 Altermite

The second amendment comes later, and therefore is read to supercede any prior parts of the constitution into which it comes into conflict.

In any case, the real issue with no-fly-list -> guns isn’t the second amendment, it’s the fifth, sixth, and 14th. The ACLU has litigated against the no fly list for this reason, and the logic applies to other uses to which it is put.

I am not a constitutional scholar, but as far as I can tell, the II Amendment does not supersede Article I of the Constitution. The II Amendment first clause defines a militia as necessary for a free State. Article I defines the scope and training of the militia.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:23:26pm
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Reality Based Steve  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:23:29pm

Just got a call, my planned dive buddy was stacking hay for her horses and now her allergies are kicking her butt, so no diving for her tomorrow. Now I’m not sure if I’m going to go to the quarry now, with the rain we are getting the visibility isn’t going to be great, at least in the shallows.

On the other hand, I’ve got a serious jones on to make some bubbles and practice a few skills. Also, somebody brought in a reg that he swears breaths badly at 50 feet, but is testing out perfect on the bench. I sort of committed myself to taking it to depth on an extra tank (even I’m not so crazy at to make it my primary life support) and testing it out.

Since a promise made is a debt unpaid, I guess I’m going diving.

I feel almost like TeleSkiGuy when he’s talking about bad snow. Conditions are less than optimal, but it is doing that thing that I like to do.

RBS

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:23:49pm

re: #219 EPR-radar

Osmosis from children?

I mean, this is the logical answer, but I still have no narrative meat on that logical skeleton.

Like, I don’t recall babysitting while on scopolamine. No…wait…I would by definition *not* remember babysitting on scopolamine. So back to square 1.

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sizzzzlerz  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:24:28pm

re: #147 EPR-radar

I’m most of the way done with my civic duty for the CA primary.

It’s easier than ever to vote by mail in CA, since postage is now paid, and the envelope no longer has to be received by election day (a timely postmark will suffice).

Mailed mine in last week. The hardest part was wading through that ridiculous list of candidates for the Senate. Did they open it up to anyone who sends in a couple of box tops? The candidate’s statements did make for some amusing readings, however. Some absolute whack jobs, that’s for sure! And not just those who are Republican.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:25:21pm

re: #232 sizzzzlerz

Mailed mine in last week. The hardest part was wading through that ridiculous list of candidates for the Senate. Did they open it up to anyone who sends in a couple of box tops? The candidate’s statements did make for some amusing readings, however. Some absolute whack jobs, that’s for sure! And not just those who are Republican.

We had a good time reading those.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:26:08pm

I had a couple of encounters with Jacob Applebaum on Twitter and he was a highly unpleasant, arrogant asshole. Exactly the type of guy who would rape someone.

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Nyet  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:26:29pm

maksutov66 Jun 04 * 11:37:09 PM
Sanders is just shaking down the ‘bros one last time. I wouldn’t sweat it.

IndieGuy maksutov66 Jun 04 * 11:59:58 PM
Fuck that “bros” noise. I know it makes you feel all superior and stuff — I guess it’s good that something does — but it makes you sound really, really badly educated.

spyresca IndieGuy Jun 05 * 12:30:53 AM
U mad bro?

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wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:26:43pm

re: #227 nines09

WTF. Must have run out of glue.

I didn’t even know they could play unplugged.

The Black Crowes - She Talks To Angels - MTV Unplugged 1990

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EPR-radar  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:27:01pm

re: #231 The Ghost of a Flea

I mean, this is the logical answer, but I still have no narrative meat on that logical skeleton.

Like, I don’t recall babysitting while on scopolamine. No…wait…I would by definition *not* remember babysitting on scopolamine. So back to square 1.

What I remember about Pokemon when it first became a big deal was colleagues of mine at TRW that were parents being utterly mystified by this new drain on their wallets. I’ve been into manga and anime forever, so I know what it was (but not the details, since I’ve never played the games).

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teleskiguy  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:27:37pm

And that shitheel state representative in Tennessee does one of these:

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Anymouse  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:28:36pm

re: #233 klys (maker of Silmarils)

We had a good time reading those.

Picking through my own Primary ballot in Nebraska, I had to sort through all the Democrats running for my state district that were honing in on the derp that Planned Parenthood sells baby parts or life begins at conception or other nonsense.

Turns out of the many candidates running for my district in the Unicameral, only one actually holds to the idea that a woman’s body is her own and an egg is not a chicken (or a human). That was the person I voted for.

The Internet is a big help in sorting out primary candidates. Too bad the Internet is pretty much limited in my town to the library and my house. On the other hand, the only other Democrat here is my wife.

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b.d.  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:28:41pm

re: #229 Charles Johnson

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Applebaum is a douche, I wonder what country he will flee too?

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EPR-radar  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:28:46pm

re: #238 teleskiguy

‘Justice Scalia’ is an oxymoron.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:29:28pm

re: #239 Anymouse

One guy’s candidate statement was a single byte in binary.

It still made more sense than some of the others.

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Skip Intro  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:29:52pm

re: #232 sizzzzlerz

I assumed they were all Republicans in training.

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Maddies Mom  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:29:58pm

re: #151 TK-421

Anyone try the orijen cat food? It’s supposed to be the bees knees and I’m trying to ween George off of junk food.

I gave my dog Orijens dry food for her entire life. It’s an outstanding product!!!

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EPR-radar  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:30:45pm

re: #239 Anymouse

I’m still crusty enough to vote against all bond measures or taxes that show up on a primary ballot just because it is a primary election.

That kind of stuff needs to be voted on in a general election.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:31:34pm

re: #238 teleskiguy

And that shitheel state representative in Tennessee does one of these:

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Yepper, that’s my state. A GOP / TP Supermajority in both houses. Not my rep, mine is just as bad however.

RBS

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dangerman  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:32:11pm

re: #230 Reality Based Steve

I feel almost like TeleSkiGuy when he’s talking about bad snow. Conditions are less than optimal, but it is doing that thing that I like to do.
RBS

when people ask me where’s the best place to dive, I always say “underwater”. diving is better than not diving

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Anymouse  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:33:16pm

re: #245 EPR-radar

I’m still crusty enough to vote against all bond measures or taxes that show up on a primary ballot just because it is a primary election.

That kind of stuff needs to be voted on in a general election.

The only such measure I have seen on a ballot since I moved here was a tiny rise on property taxes in the village to help expand the village cemetery, and pay for the village fire department. Both measures appeared on the last General Election ballot and passed by wide margins. (Turns out even conservatives will die and might be concerned their houses will catch fire.)

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Skip Intro  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:33:19pm

If anybody cares, the current FR griftathon is still in progress, and the next one starts July 1. They’ll soon be in infinite grift over there.

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b.d.  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:33:25pm

re: #234 Charles Johnson

I had a couple of encounters with Jacob Applebaum on Twitter and he was a highly unpleasant, arrogant asshole. Exactly the type of guy who would rape someone.

And it is multiple accusations of sexual assault from his former co-workers, not including members of the general public.

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bratwurst  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:33:58pm

re: #238 teleskiguy

And that shitheel state representative in Tennessee does one of these:

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It always boils down to:

Liberals do X, so HOW DARE YOU criticize ME for doing Y!

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:34:45pm

re: #247 dangerman

when people ask me where’s the best place to dive, I always say “underwater”. diving is better than not diving

One of the shop owners does a class each semester at the local state U. It’s a couple of hour PE class, we don’t get them open water certified, but get them all the classroom and pool work done.

I have to give him grief because the poster / flyers for the class say “Learn Underwater Scuba Diving”.

RBS

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EPR-radar  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:35:10pm

re: #248 Anymouse

The only such measure I have seen on a ballot since I moved here was a tiny rise on property taxes in the village to help expand the village cemetery, and pay for the village fire department. Both measures appeared on the last General Election ballot and passed by wide margins. (Turns out even conservatives will die and might be concerned their houses will catch fire.)

In California, there seem to be so many propositions, taxes and bonds put to the voters that the primaries are used for this in addition to general elections. I do my part to discourage this practice.

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Targetpractice  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:36:22pm

re: #249 Skip Intro

If anybody cares, the current FR griftathon is still in progress, and the next one starts July 1. They’ll soon be in infinite grift over there.

Maybe some day, they’ll have enough money to upgrade.

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dangerman  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:36:40pm

re: #252 Reality Based Steve

I have to give him grief because the poster / flyers for the class say “Learn Underwater Scuba Diving”.

RBS

almost rates a referral to the department of redundancy department.

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danarchy  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:36:41pm

re: #244 Maddies Mom

I gave my dog Orijens dry food for her entire life. It’s an outstanding product!!!

I tried switching my dog to orijens years ago, but about a quarter way through the bag she started refusing it. Literally went 3 days without eating until I switched. She has been on California Naturals since. Not sure what the deal was with the Orijens, but it is too expensive to experiment with.

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William Lewis  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:37:37pm

re: #230 Reality Based Steve

I feel almost like TeleSkiGuy when he’s talking about bad snow. Conditions are less than optimal, but it is doing that thing that I like to do.

RBS

Heh. I hear that. Just got done loading a box of ammo so that on the way home tomorrow I can swing past the local range and put some time in on the 25 yard targets. It may well still be raining but I’ll stop by there anyway. For me, time at the range or in the woods is what makes the work tolerable.

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Skip Intro  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:38:21pm
The Dixie Chicks perform onstage during the DCX World Tour MMXVI Opener on June 1, 2016, in Cincinnati, Ohio. Kevin Mazur
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Nojay UK  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:39:12pm

re: #252 Reality Based Steve

I have to give him grief because the poster / flyers for the class say “Learn Underwater Scuba Diving”.

RBS

It’s possible to dive underwater without a Self-Contained Underwater Breathing Apparatus. There’s also free divers, who are crazy mad people (see also cave divers).

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Anymouse  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:40:45pm

re: #253 EPR-radar

In California, there seem to be so many propositions, taxes and bonds put to the voters that the primaries are used for this in addition to general elections. I do my part to discourage this practice.

I haven’t had much opportunity to vote until I moved to Nebraska at the end of 2012. I was disenfranchised in Oklahoma due to recently moving there, and in South Carolina due to being homeless before I moved to Oklahoma.

Ballot referenda here are difficult to get on the ballot. The only other one I have voted on was the minimum wage rise in Nebraska (it passed by a wide margin). That surprised the local political pundits, and the GOP came out strongly against it.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:41:02pm

re: #225 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I have the collector’s impulse, and thus appreciate the idea. If I’d been a bit younger, I’d be hooked. Instead I’m old and have very thorough spice cabinet. Exactly the same impulse gratified, a great deal of throwing, slightly less shouting.

And there’s a bird that carries around, and attacks with, a leek. That’s so damn funny it justifies the existence of the whole series.

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TK-421  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:41:36pm

re: #238 teleskiguy

Ah yes, another conservative liar. Where’s the footage of liberals dancing? The same reel as Trump’s dancing Muslims.

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Altermite  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:42:57pm

re: #228 Anymouse

I am not a constitutional scholar, but as far as I can tell, the II Amendment does not supersede Article I of the Constitution. The II Amendment first clause defines a militia as necessary for a free State. Article I defines the scope and training of the militia.

I do have a constitutional practice (and one publication, but that hardly makes me a scholar), but the second amendment isn’t really my area of focus. Nevertheless, a fundamental principle is that where two elements of the constitution are in conflict, amendments supersede anything that comes prior.

In any case, you’re misreading it here, and treating “militia” as referring to the same entity in each. Article I of the constitution refers to the ability of the federal government to raise armies. The amendments, however, were seen as restrictions on the federal government by giving certain rights to non federal entities (States and people) with which the federal gov’t could not interfere. Ignoring recent developments that incorporated a second amendment right against state governments, it was historically seen, at the very least, as restricting the capacity to interfere with firearms to state governments to empower the development of state (and possibly regional) militias.

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dangerman  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:43:19pm

re: #259 Nojay UK

It’s possible to dive underwater without a Self-Contained Underwater Breathing Apparatus. There’s also free divers, who are crazy mad people (see also cave divers).

sure. and you can scba not underwater. can you scuba not underwater? ;-)

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EPR-radar  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:43:48pm

re: #260 Anymouse

I haven’t had much opportunity to vote until I moved to Nebraska at the end of 2012. I was disenfranchised in Oklahoma due to recently moving there, and in South Carolina due to being homeless before I moved to Oklahoma.

Ballot referenda here are difficult to get on the ballot. The only other one I have voted on was the minimum wage rise in Nebraska (it passed by a wide margin). That surprised the local political pundits, and the GOP came out strongly against it.

CA ballot propositions etc. are strange. Most of the time I approve, but then there are things like proposition 8. Decoding the double-speak for and against the propositions in a general election is the most time consuming part of voting.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:43:49pm

re: #259 Nojay UK

It’s possible to dive underwater without a Self-Contained Underwater Breathing Apparatus. There’s also free divers, who are crazy mad people (see also cave divers).

I agree with the free divers, some of them are just insane. On the other hand, I’ve met a number of cave divers, and without exception the ones I’ve met are very methodical, detail oriented to a compulsive level and possess an very high level of technical skill, knowledge and judgement. (yea, I may be joining them to a limited degree at some point in the future). I think it’s because the rash and casual among them got weeded out a long time ago.

RBS

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Anymouse  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:43:51pm

Well, I said I was going to bed some time ago. I am serious now. Signing off, as my head hits the keyboard — ad;lfkj3qwtoij43t;o5i6juerhyldfnm

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:44:53pm

re: #262 TK-421

Ah yes, another conservative liar. Where’s the footage of liberals dancing? The same reel as Trump’s dancing Muslims.

Let’s deconstruct the string of assumptions that only a liberal would (1) not call a man by the man he assumed because of a sincere religious conversion, (2) view, sixty years distant, refusal to fight in Vietnam as problematic.

Or…cast WHISKEY again and forget all about this.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:45:01pm

re: #261 The Ghost of a Flea

I have the collector’s impulse, and thus appreciate the idea. If I’d been a bit younger, I’d be hooked. Instead I’m old and have very thorough spice cabinet. Exactly the same impulse gratified, a great deal of throwing, slightly less shouting.

And there’s a bird that carries around, and attacks with, a leek. That’s so damn funny it justifies the existence of the whole series.

I can appreciate it for much the same reasons. My games always stall out because I get distracted by trying to collect everything and then life gets in the way.

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Anymouse  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:46:24pm

re: #265 EPR-radar

CA ballot propositions etc. are strange. Most of the time I approve, but then there are things like proposition 8. Decoding the double-speak for and against the propositions in a general election is the most time consuming part of voting.

About five minutes after Prop 8 was struck down, my sister married. She had been a conservative, though when Prop 8 was passed with the help of conservative funding from all over the country, she left the GOP (she is now a Democrat).

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:46:50pm

I’ve got to run to the store. I’m out of nicotine lozenges, and also need to get a box of snacks and a case of water to take out tomorrow.

BBL

RBS

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:47:17pm

re: #260 Anymouse

We don’t have many referenda on our ballots here in the Backwoods (I’ll wager not as many in the last 20 years as I could count on one hand) but we did have a special school tax levy this year that somehow managed to get its very own voting date back in February. Not a regular voting date and nothing else on the ballot. At least I think it was in February…I just remember that the weather was horrible and I wasn’t able to get out of the holler to get to the polling place in town.

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dangerman  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:47:29pm

re: #266 Reality Based Steve

I agree with the free divers, some of them are just insane. On the other hand, I’ve met a number of cave divers, and without exception the ones I’ve met are very methodical, detail oriented to a compulsive level and possess an very high level of technical skill, knowledge and judgement. (yea, I may be joining them to a limited degree at some point in the future). I think it’s because the rash and casual among them got weeded out a long time ago.

RBS

cavers yeah.
caving. no. it’s nuts (jk)

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:47:36pm

re: #241 EPR-radar

‘Justice Scalia’ is an oxymoron.

And following Trump logic should have recused himself from any case involving organized crime.

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Altermite  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:48:14pm

re: #262 TK-421

Assuming he’s speaking figuratively, such that “Dancing” means “celebrating”, there were some people on the left who did celebrate scalia’s death to some degree. They were, however, not representative of the lefy, let alone literal representatives and leaders of their party.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:48:45pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Okay Cenk fuck off. Really fuck off.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:49:22pm

re: #262 TK-421

Ah yes, another conservative liar. Where’s the footage of liberals dancing? The same reel as Trump’s dancing Muslims.

It’s on the Whitey tape…

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EPR-radar  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:49:34pm

re: #275 Altermite

Assuming he’s speaking figuratively, such that “Dancing” means “celebrating”, there were some people on the left who did celebrate scalia’s death to some degree. They were, however, not representative of the lefy, let alone literal representatives and leaders of their party.

I didn’t celebrate Scalia’s death per se.

I was happy that he would no longer be in a position to inflict his damage on the US legal system.

Conservatives probably see no difference here.

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thedopefishlives  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:49:41pm

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s on the Whitey tape…

Along with the final resting place of Jimmy Hoffa.

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Targetpractice  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:50:22pm

re: #279 thedopefishlives

Along with the final resting place of Jimmy Hoffa.

And Hillary admitting she killed Vince Foster.

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wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:51:00pm

re: #276 HappyWarrior

Okay Cenk fuck off. Really fuck off.

Did you know that Cenk and Cornel marched with MLK Bernie?

/////////////////more makes it funnier, right?///////////

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:51:21pm

re: #281 wrenchwench

Did you know that Cenk and Cornel marched with MLK Bernie?

/////////////////more makes it funnier, right?///////////

Made me smike

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Skip Intro  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:51:38pm

re: #262 TK-421

Ah yes, another conservative liar. Where’s the footage of liberals dancing? The same reel as Trump’s dancing Muslims.

As I remember it, this is the kind of crap that wasted air for weeks.

“You know, I just landed and I’m hearing it’s a big topic,” Donald Trump said on Tuesday, when Michael Savage, a conservative radio host, asked him about theories that Justice Antonin Scalia had been murdered. Trump continued, “And it’s a horrible topic. But they say they found a pillow on his face, which is a pretty unusual place to find a pillow. I can’t tell you what—I can’t give you an answer. You know, usually I like to give you answers. But I literally just heard it a little while ago. It’s just starting to come out now, as you know, Michael.” Savage, who had introduced Trump by playing “Hail to the Chief” and calling him the next President, replied that he, for one, had been talking about it for a full hour and a half. Savage had already called for “a Warren Commission” like the one that investigated the J.F.K. assassination. There are many theories: Scalia was killed by Barack Obama, or by Rod Blagojevich, or by Hillary Clinton; or, veering to the right corner, by the Bush family, or by Ted Cruz, or by Dick Cheney. Suggested weapons, in addition to the pillow, include carbon monoxide and poison. Where did all this come from?

Prion disease. No doubt about it.

newyorker.com

Still can’t find anything about liberal dancing though.

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b.d.  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:51:48pm

re: #276 HappyWarrior

Okay Cenk fuck off. Really fuck off.

Aren’t his 15 minutes about up?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:52:11pm

re: #281 wrenchwench

Did you know that Cenk and Cornel marched with MLK Bernie?

/////////////////more makes it funnier, right?///////////

why, yes! Yes, it does!

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:52:15pm

re: #280 Targetpractice

And Hillary admitting she killed Vince Foster.

After she had lesbian sex with him.

How does a woman have lesbian sex with a man? I don’t know. But I know she did.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:52:42pm

re: #278 EPR-radar

I didn’t celebrate Scalia’s death per se.

I was happy that he would no longer be in a position to inflict his damage on the US legal system.

Conservatives probably see no difference here.

Tennessee dude is also not making a distinction between a figure who’s actions were his own, and had influence only by example; versus a dude who actually had power over us all.

Probably on purpose, because his initial statement was a messy diaper.

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thedopefishlives  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:53:23pm

re: #286 SoundGuy 2016

After she had lesbian sex with him.

How does a woman have lesbian sex with a man? I don’t know. But I know she did.

Well, if he’s a closeted trans…

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No Depression  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:53:39pm

re: #276 HappyWarrior

Okay Cenk fuck off. Really fuck off.

LOL that is so stupid that I’m not even mad. Nobody gives a shit about Monica Lewinsky.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:53:52pm

I do remember plenty of prominent conservatives dancing on Ted Kennedy’s grave. I do recall President Obama issuing a much more kinder statement about Scalia than Scalia would have said for Obama.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:54:10pm

re: #287 The Ghost of a Flea

Tennessee dude is also not making a distinction between a figure who’s actions were his own, and had influence only by example; versus a dude who actually had power over us all.

Probably on purpose, because his initial statement was a messy diaper.

That’s an excellent point.

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b.d.  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:54:24pm

re: #281 wrenchwench

Did you know that Cenk and Cornel marched bitched with MLK Bernie?

/////////////////more makes it funnier, right?///////////

I can’t leave good enough alone

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Targetpractice  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:54:34pm

re: #286 SoundGuy 2016

After she had lesbian sex with him.

How does a woman have lesbian sex with a man? I don’t know. But I know she did.

No, the lesbian sex was with Huma, who is in reality a secret agent for the Muslim Brotherhood and ISIS at the same time.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:54:40pm

re: #289 No Depression

LOL that is so stupid that I’m not even mad. Nobody gives a shit about Monica Lewinsky.

Heh true. Doesn’t Bernie have a child out of wedlock? I mean if Cenk wants to play this game…………..

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thedopefishlives  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:55:49pm

re: #290 HappyWarrior

I do remember plenty of prominent conservatives dancing on Ted Kennedy’s grave. I do recall President Obama issuing a much more kinder statement about Scalia than Scalia would have said for Obama.

The thing is, you can look on either side of the aisle and find examples of assholes celebrating the death of a political opponent or notorious figure. Some people are just douchecanoes. The real question to ask is, which side consistently tries to score cheap political points by exploiting the deaths of their own and lambasting the deaths of opponents?

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BeachDem  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:57:02pm

re: #246 Reality Based Steve

Yepper, that’s my state. A GOP / TP Supermajority in both houses. Not my rep, mine is just as bad however.

RBS

It’s currently a Republican on Republican bloodbath primary season here in south by dog carolina (we have no Dem primary—we’re lucky if we can find ONE candidate to run for office!)

Nikki Haley has her long knives out for anyone who has opposed her, and the commercials (mostly PAC crap) are hilarious. Ominous music calling the recalcitrant Republicans TOO LIBERAL!! (they also call all of them corrupt, which is true, but not for the things they mention.)

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EPR-radar  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:57:22pm

re: #295 thedopefishlives

The thing is, you can look on either side of the aisle and find examples of assholes celebrating the death of a political opponent or notorious figure. Some people are just douchecanoes. The real question to ask is, which side consistently tries to score cheap political points by exploiting the deaths of their own and lambasting the deaths of opponents?

The real question is much more basic than that.

Which side stands for civilization and which side stands for barbarism?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:57:36pm

re: #295 thedopefishlives

The thing is, you can look on either side of the aisle and find examples of assholes celebrating the death of a political opponent or notorious figure. Some people are just douchecanoes. The real question to ask is, which side consistently tries to score cheap political points by exploiting the deaths of their own and lambasting the deaths of opponents?

You certainly can. What I mean though is no prominent liberal was dancing on Scalia’s grave. I’ll be honest. I thought Scalia was a miserable asshole but I held my tongue on that since I knew that his family and friends including Justice Ginsburg were mourning him.

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Anymouse  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:58:40pm

re: #293 Targetpractice

No, the lesbian sex was with Huma, who is in reality a secret agent for the Muslim Brotherhood and ISIS at the same time.

And yet no one really talks about Grover Norquist’s Muslim wife.

It’s Okay If You’re A Republican.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:58:42pm

re: #296 BeachDem

It’s currently a Republican on Republican bloodbath primary season here in south by dog carolina (we have no Dem primary—we’re lucky if we can find ONE candidate to run for office!)

Nikki Haley has her long knives out for anyone who has opposed her, and the commercials (mostly PAC crap) are hilarious. Ominous music calling the recalcitrant Republicans TOO LIBERAL!! (they also call all of them corrupt, which is true, but not for the things they mention.)

I only know Haley from afar but my favorite was when she bragged about how she took on the unions. Taking on unions in a state historically weak for unions in a historically era weak for unions, courage!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 4:59:12pm

re: #299 Anymouse

And yet no one really talks about Grover Norquist’s Muslim wife.

It’s Okay If You’re A Republican.

Actually the more crazy ones do freak out about her and Grover himself since he has a beard.

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jaunte  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:01:54pm

re: #276 HappyWarrior

Okay Cenk fuck off. Really fuck off.

Every time he appears on tv as a guest, they should play at least a minute of him screaming “WHERE’S THE PLANE!!! WHERE’S THE PLANE!!! WHERE’S THE PLANE!!!” like a maniac.

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Anymouse  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:01:54pm

re: #301 HappyWarrior

Actually the more crazy ones do freak out about her and Grover himself since he has a beard.

Grover Norquist is a sekrit Daesh plant, trying to subvert the patriotic ‘Murican Republican Party!!11!!!uno!!111elventy!!!

The hypocrisy is so thick you can cut it with a spoon.

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EPR-radar  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:03:19pm

re: #302 jaunte

Every time he appears on tv as a guest, they should play at least a minute of him screaming “WHERE’S THE PLANE!!! WHERE’S THE PLANE!!! WHERE’S THE PLANE!!!” like a maniac.

I missed that. Cenk was a contributor to the media idiocy about the missing plane?

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Teukka  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:03:44pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

I love this one:

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Nice find, Dark. Also, check out this on a related topic. Charles? You taking notes?

Black Hat 2013 - Million Browser Botnet

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meteor  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:04:14pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

I believe Louie Gohmert uses the Asparagus fork to pick his brain to come up with the Gohmertisms we all know and love.

I believe he is asparagus.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:05:04pm

re: #299 Anymouse

And yet no one really talks about Grover Norquist’s Muslim wife.

It’s Okay If You’re A Republican.

There are people on Grover’s “side” who do exactly that. Very loudly. Claim he’s a secret Muslim Brotherhood operative because of his wife.

It’s come up at CPAC events more than once. It’s been awhile since it’s been mentioned here, but it is most definitely a thing that happened.

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Anymouse  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:05:58pm

re: #306 meteor

I believe he is asparagus.

That’s why he doesn’t want you casting aspersions on asparagus. That might come back to cast aspersions on Mr. Gohmert.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:06:08pm

re: #306 meteor

I believe he is asparagus.

Asparagus ergo sum.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:07:36pm

re: #304 EPR-radar

I missed that. Cenk was a contributor to the media idiocy about the missing plane?

No, it was this:
rawstory.com

(Cenk’s DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM!!???!!! moment in history…)

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jaunte  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:07:40pm

re: #304 EPR-radar

I missed that. Cenk was a contributor to the media idiocy about the missing plane?

He was inconvenienced by a late flight and made an ass of himself at the gate.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:07:43pm

re: #106 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Well poop. Maybe if you filled the feeders with Trump taco bowls, the ants wouldn’t eat the cat food anymore. Then again, the same would hold true for the cats.

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Anymouse  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:09:38pm

re: #307 The Ghost of a Flea

There are people on Grover’s “side” who do exactly that. Very loudly. Claim he’s a secret Muslim Brotherhood operative because of his wife.

It’s come up at CPAC events more than once. It’s been awhile since it’s been mentioned here, but it is most definitely a thing that happened.

I could not care less about Mr. Norquist’s wife’s religious beliefs. Those are between Mr. and Mrs. Norquist.

I wonder if Mr. Norquist is a Trump supporter, with Mr. Trump’s idea that Muslims should be banned from entering the USA (or Ted Cruz’s idea they should be monitored)? How does Mr. Norquist square the idea the party he supports wants to openly discriminate against his wife, and how does Mrs. Norquist feel about that?

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Altermite  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:10:10pm

Where did Cynk and TYT generally come from? I can’t remember hearing of them until this election cycle, but I was admittedly pretty tuned out for a couple years.

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EPR-radar  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:12:09pm

re: #313 Anymouse

I could not care less about Mr. Norquist’s wife’s religious beliefs. Those are between Mr. and Mrs. Norquist.

I wonder if Mr. Norquist is a Trump supporter, with Mr. Trump’s idea that Muslims should be banned from entering the USA (or Ted Cruz’s idea they should be monitored)? How does Mr. Norquist square the idea the party he supports wants to openly discriminate against his wife, and how does Mrs. Norquist feel about that?

My assumption is that Norquist could not possibly care less about any of these issues. The only issue that Norquist cares about is cutting taxes.

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BeachDem  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:12:35pm

re: #300 HappyWarrior

I only know Haley from afar but my favorite was when she bragged about how she took on the unions. Taking on unions in a state historically weak for unions in a historically era weak for unions, courage!

Nikki is so full of crap. Wonkette really nailed her this week:

good job sort of not really
Gov. Nikki Haley Wishes Donald Trump Wouldn’t Act So Ugly To The Minorities, Bless His Heart

Like, remember how, before she came up with the brilliant idea that maybe it was time for the Confederate slavery flag to go, she actually defended that filthy piece of cloth when she was running for re-election in 2014? And really, she wasn’t all that excited about getting rid of the flag, but, well, holy shit, nine black churchgoers were gunned down in Charleston by a white supremacist draped in that flag, so she had to do something…

She said she doesn’t think people who support Trump are racist or haters.

“That’s a different kind of anger. They’re upset with Washington, D.C. They’re upset nothing’s got done,” she said.

The fuck it’s a “different kind of anger,” and the FUCK they’re not racist.

The flag “hijacked by that murderer” had to go, she said, recognizing that some pro-flag people are still upset by her public prompting.

Yep, the Charleston murderer, Dylann Roof, “hijacked” that flag all by his white self, and before that, nobody never thought of using it for racist purposes, heck no, why would you suggest such a thing? Pity those poor confederate sweethearts what had their beautiful flag stolen from them and used for nefarious purposes.

Jesus, Nikki. Or should we just say, “Bless HER heart!”

wonkette.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:12:57pm

re: #315 EPR-radar

My assumption is that Norquist could not possibly care less about any of these issues. The only issue that Norquist cares about is cutting taxes.

rich people taxes that is.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:13:22pm

re: #316 BeachDem

Nikki is so full of crap. Wonkette really nailed her this week:

good job sort of not really
Gov. Nikki Haley Wishes Donald Trump Wouldn’t Act So Ugly To The Minorities, Bless His Heart

Like, remember how, before she came up with the brilliant idea that maybe it was time for the Confederate slavery flag to go, she actually defended that filthy piece of cloth when she was running for re-election in 2014? And really, she wasn’t all that excited about getting rid of the flag, but, well, holy shit, nine black churchgoers were gunned down in Charleston by a white supremacist draped in that flag, so she had to do something…

She said she doesn’t think people who support Trump are racist or haters.

The fuck it’s a “different kind of anger,” and the FUCK they’re not racist.

Yep, the Charleston murderer, Dylann Roof, “hijacked” that flag all by his white self, and before that, nobody never thought of using it for racist purposes, heck no, why would you suggest such a thing? Pity those poor confederate sweethearts what had their beautiful flag stolen from them and used for nefarious purposes.

Jesus, Nikki. Or should we just say, “Bless HER heart!”

wonkette.com

I love Wonkette.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:14:18pm

re: #317 HappyWarrior

He also wants to shrink government small enough so he can drown it in the bathtub.

In other words, he’s an anarchist.

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Anymouse  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:15:20pm

re: #314 Altermite

Where did Cynk and TYT generally come from? I can’t remember hearing of them until this election cycle, but I was admittedly pretty tuned out for a couple years.

TYT is a YouTube channel, and has been around for many years. Amongst other things, TYT was the first YouTube channel to break a billion views. TYT generally supports progressive views, but sometimes goes off the rails on some topics.

A frequent criticism against The Young Turks YouTube Channel is the co-host Anna Kasparian, who is of Armenian descent. TYT takes its name from the generic definition of a young Turk (a political revolutionary). Conservatives who comment on their channel take the historical Young Turks and accuse Ms. Kasparian of whitewashing the Armenian Genocide.

Ms. Kasparian does not view it that way, but her explanations do not matter to conservatives (she is a woman and therefore her opinions as an Armenian do not outrank conservative opinions).

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:17:14pm

re: #306 meteor

I believe he is asparagus.

Man, I just got to liking asparagus. I have serious doubt Gohmert would taste good bathed in olive oil and garlic and flash BBQ’d over a hot fire till just soft but still firm.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:17:36pm

re: #239 Anymouse

Picking through my own Primary ballot in Nebraska, I had to sort through all the Democrats running for my state district that were honing in on the derp that Planned Parenthood sells baby parts or life begins at conception or other nonsense.

Turns out of the many candidates running for my district in the Unicameral, only one actually holds to the idea that a woman’s body is her own and an egg is not a chicken (or a human). That was the person I voted for.

The Internet is a big help in sorting out primary candidates. Too bad the Internet is pretty much limited in my town to the library and my house. On the other hand, the only other Democrat here is my wife.

We’ve got perennial candidate Goodspaceguy.

Goodspaceguy: The Definitive Interview

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Altermite  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:18:54pm

re: #320 Anymouse

Thanks. I rarely watch youtube channels or news commentary because I get bored with things I can’t consume at my own pace. So yeah, that fits squarely into my blindspot.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:19:44pm

re: #77 bratwurst

That is different. Both of them are white.

It really is interesting how military service has ceased to be considered a prerequisite for being President. After Truman, who served in W.W.I, every president from Eisenhower through Ford served in a combat zone in WWII, even if only briefly (LBJ). Carter missed WWII because he was still at the Naval Academy when it ended. But once we got to the Vietnam War generation, combat service hasn’t mattered. 2016 will be the second presidential election in a row in which neither nominee served in the military at all, and at this point it looks unlikely that any Vietnam combat veteran will ever be elected President.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:20:16pm

re: #313 Anymouse

I could not care less about Mr. Norquist’s wife’s religious beliefs. Those are between Mr. and Mrs. Norquist.

I wonder if Mr. Norquist is a Trump supporter, with Mr. Trump’s idea that Muslims should be banned from entering the USA (or Ted Cruz’s idea they should be monitored)? How does Mr. Norquist square the idea the party he supports wants to openly discriminate against his wife, and how does Mrs. Norquist feel about that?

Norquist falls on the “David Brooks axis” of dudes who’ve convinced themselves that their economic thing—lower taxes for some, higher taxes for peasants— is way more important than all that paranoia, doomsday religion, and general “we have long lists of who gets the boot” vibe.

Then they hire Ron Fournier to wear motley and tell them this is clever. In rhyme.

ETA: The Dao of Grover Norquist is he that attends Burning Man regularly, yet completely misses the stated point of Burning Man in favor of a narrative about how edgy and awesome he is for attending Burning Man.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:21:27pm

re: #320 Anymouse

Bed didn’t take, did it.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:22:49pm

re: #326 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Bed didn’t take, did it.

It was…ineffective?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:23:11pm

re: #327 The Ghost of a Flea

It was…ineffective?

Does nothing.

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Kragar  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:23:50pm

Three Republican senators visited South Korea this week in a bid to reassure Seoul that should presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump move into the White House, U.S. policy toward the country will not change.

Freshman Senators Joni Ernst of Iowa, Cory Gardner of Colorado, and Dan Sullivan of Alaska-who are not up for re-election in November 2016-are in Asia on a four-nation tour.

Trump’s campaign rhetoric has drawn attention in Asia, particularly in South Korea where 28,500 U.S. troops are stationed. These, along with the more than 50,000 stationed in Japan, are seen as a vital part of maintaining northeast Asia’s security status quo. But Trump has consistently accused Seoul of free-riding on American military might. In 2013, Trump asked in a YouTube video “…how long will we go on defending South Korea from North Korea without payment?”

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:25:00pm

re: #97 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’d love to but they’re coming in from outside and our cats are strictly indoor only.

Get Terro ant bait. Ants love it and it kills the entire colony.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:26:28pm
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Nojay UK  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:26:32pm

re: #266 Reality Based Steve

On the other hand, I’ve met a number of cave divers, and without exception the ones I’ve met are very methodical, detail oriented to a compulsive level and possess an very high level of technical skill, knowledge and judgement. (yea, I may be joining them to a limited degree at some point in the future). I think it’s because the rash and casual among them got weeded out a long time ago.

RBS

Survivor bias. I was into caving back in the 1960s (actually a lot of it was exploring old mineworkings and such) and some associates were interested in the idea of cave diving which was becoming a thing about then. They tried to get me to come along “since I had my own wetsuit”, they explained. Some pool training, inadequate prep, inadequate equipment, inadequate everything, a burn rate in the early days of 10% fatalities a year as they pushed into sumps and flooded sections that no-one had been through before. They still haven’t recovered all the bodies.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:28:52pm

re: #329 Kragar

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The leaders of those countries should flat out ask these Senators who are in their own ways just as crazy as Trump why on earth they should be trusted?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:29:54pm

Hey Trump won’t do what he promises but he should be elected anyhow because our party’s sole ideology is hating anything left of the lunatic right wing fringe!

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:31:02pm

re: #329 Kragar

Everybody in the South China Sea is also shitting themselves.

China is building islands and a presidential candidate is talking like a condotierri waving his dick around.

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b.d.  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:31:04pm

re: #331 Charles Johnson

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I almost forgot about that ISIS Army amassing in Mexico, they are a very patient bunch.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:32:55pm
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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:33:54pm

re: #336 b.d.

I almost forgot about that ISIS Army amassing in Mexico, they are a very patient bunch.

I’m sure they’re hording in Cuidad Juarez and Jalisco, sitting in little flats while the drug wars rage outside, just minding their own business and biding their time until they Jihadificate.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:34:52pm

re: #320 Anymouse

Glad you stayed up.

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BeenHereAwhile  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:36:11pm

re: #129 ObserverArt

Regarding Ali. I heard George Foreman on ESPN radio earlier today. He had some great stories and it showed how much he admired him even after suffering a defeat to him in the Rumble in the Jungle.

He said he heard about Ali’s Rope-a-Dope technique but thought he could pound him anyway. So he went into that fight full of confidence that an older Ali could never beat the young, heavy-punching Foreman.

He said he got Ali up against the ropes and found out what it was all about. Ali ducked and dived missing punch after punch while Foreman was wearing himself out trying to connect.

His words: “Ali was on the rope…I was the dope!”

“Going up on the ropes is a beautiful thing.”

Muhammad Ali

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b.d.  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:37:41pm

re: #338 SoundGuy 2016

I’m sure they’re hording in Cuidad Juarez and Jalisco, sitting in little flats while the drug wars rage outside, just minding their own business and biding their time until they Jihadificate.

Waiting until summer is a smart move! They’re probably waiting until the election and if Trump is elected then they’ll just go home, he’ll do more damage to the country than they ever dreamed of.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:37:57pm

re: #338 SoundGuy 2016

I’m sure they’re hording in Cuidad Juarez and Jalisco, sitting in little flats while the drug wars rage outside, just minding their own business and biding their time until they Jihadificate.

That’s going to be their downfall, because pork in adobo is just that good.

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Snarknado!  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:38:00pm

re: #106 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s not the stored stuff, it’s the stuff in the timed feeders. :/ Unfortunately. The timed feeders are way too big to do the “put in a bigger bowl of water” trick.

Can you use a big tray or cookie sheet? (As you know, you only need a teensy bit of water.)

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:43:46pm

re: #313 Anymouse

I could not care less about Mr. Norquist’s wife’s religious beliefs. Those are between Mr. and Mrs. Norquist.

I wonder if Mr. Norquist is a Trump supporter, with Mr. Trump’s idea that Muslims should be banned from entering the USA (or Ted Cruz’s idea they should be monitored)? How does Mr. Norquist square the idea the party he supports wants to openly discriminate against his wife, and how does Mrs. Norquist feel about that?

Trump had him at $10 trillion tax cut.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:44:43pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:45:54pm

re: #345 Stanley Sea

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I’m tired of these fucking Nazis.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:46:30pm

re: #345 Stanley Sea

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#trumpeffect

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Charles Johnson  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:46:49pm
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nines09  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:50:25pm

re: #236 wrenchwench

Chris can be who Chris can be. But no mistake. They are/were/is a very talented group. That style, to me, cannot be played by just going through the motions. You gots it. Or you don’t. They gots it. Top of their game. Soul, baby, soul. They did it for me. To this day.

The Black Crowes - Sometimes Salvation - 1992

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BeachDem  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:50:37pm

re: #329 Kragar

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It’s going to be a bit of a mess if former mayor Dan Sullivan would happen to beat Lisa Murkowski, giving Alaska two Republican Senators by the name of Dan Sullivan. How will the pundits differentiate them? Right wing loon, Dan Sullivan—no, not that one, the other one?

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thedopefishlives  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:50:58pm

There is whiskey in the house again. All is right with the world. Well, except for the weight I’ve put on because I totally stopped caring this week.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:52:36pm

re: #350 BeachDem

It’s going to be a bit of a mess if former mayor Dan Sullivan would happen to beat Lisa Murkowski, giving Alaska two Republican Senators by the name of Dan Sullivan. How will the pundits differentiate them? Right wing loon, Dan Sullivan—no, not that one, the other one?

Man that would be weird.

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Jay C  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:53:02pm

re: #345 Stanley Sea

Disgusting. Though I suppose the stench that wafts up from the online “alt-right” is just one of the prices we have to pay for free press/airwaves/intertubes, etc…..

One telling bit, though, from the linked piece:

Trump has largely declined to condemn anti-Semitic abuse. Asked about the harassment of Ioffe, Trump told Wolf Blitzer, “I don’t have a message to the fans” last month.

And like, even pro-forma “condemn[ing] anti-Semitic abuse” would be so hard????

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:53:17pm

re: #348 Charles Johnson

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BeachDem  Jun 4, 2016 • 5:59:50pm

re: #353 Jay C

Disgusting. Though I suppose the stench that wafts up from the online “alt-right” is just one of the prices we have to pay for free press/airwaves/intertubes, etc…..

One telling bit, though, from the linked piece:

And like, even pro-forma “condemn[ing] anti-Semitic abuse” would be so hard????

Could someone explain to me just where the line is drawn between the alt-right and the everyday lunatic right?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:02:43pm

re: #355 BeachDem

Could someone explain to me just where the line is drawn between the alt-right and the everyday lunatic right?

The everyday lunatic right still uses “Hitler” as an insult—they don’t really know who he was, but everybody they don’t like is Hitler because Hitler=Bad.

The alt-right are actual Nazis. They embrace and glorify Hitler.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:04:10pm

re: #356 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The everyday lunatic right still uses “Hitler” as an insult—they don’t really know who he was, but everybody they don’t like is Hitler because Hitler=Bad.

The alt-right are actual Nazis. They embrace and glorify Hitler.

That sounds right to me. No pun intended.

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BeachDem  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:05:09pm

re: #356 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The everyday lunatic right still uses “Hitler” as an insult—they don’t really know who he was, but everybody they don’t like is Hitler because Hitler=Bad.

The alt-right are actual Nazis. They embrace and glorify Hitler.

Well, there’s that./

And yet, both the alt-right and the everyday lunatic right are lining up behind TRUMP, and none of them seem to call him out very emphatically, so it seems that the line is becoming blurred.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:06:17pm

re: #358 BeachDem

So to confuse everyone. I do not like it at all.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:06:32pm

re: #342 The Ghost of a Flea

That’s going to be their downfall, because pork in adobo is just that good.

Man, if they get caught up in a spell of mole and tequila, it’s over. Makes L-Tryptophan Halal Turkeys seem like child’s play.

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Jay C  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:06:37pm

re: #356 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The everyday lunatic right still uses “Hitler” as an insult—they don’t really know who he was, but everybody they don’t like is Hitler because Hitler=Bad.

That’s because Adolf Hitler was a notorious leftist, doncha’know? After all, wasn’t his party called the National Socialists????

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:07:19pm

re: #358 BeachDem

Well, there’s that./

And yet, both the alt-right and the everyday lunatic right are lining up behind TRUMP, and none of them seem to call him out very emphatically, so it seems that the line is becoming blurred.

It is getting blurred and that’s what is so frustrating. What’s even more frustrating though is guys like Ryan acting like they’re shocked that Trump does things like bitch about the ethnic background of the judge in his fraud case. Honestly, I sort of got at it last night and this morning but the mainstream conservatives need to be held accountable for Trump. As a South Carolinian, no doubt you are familiar with Atwater and how two Republican presidents used him in their ascendation to the presidency.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:07:56pm

re: #361 Jay C

That’s because Adolf Hitler was a notorious leftist, doncha’know? After all, wasn’t his party called the National Socialists????

I don’t know—ask the Strasser brothers….

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:08:55pm

re: #320 Anymouse

I am hard/far left, and I criticize Cenk for the same.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:09:04pm

re: #361 Jay C

That’s because Adolf Hitler was a notorious leftist, doncha’know? After all, wasn’t his party called the National Socialists????

You jest but I can’t tell you the number of right wingers that have told me that Hitler was a leftist because of that. I try bringing up that his allies were German industrialists, militant right wing nationalists and that his main enemies were after the Jews- Communists, Social Democrats, and Trade Union members and they just ignore it. I wlil grant that Nazism differs from traditional right wingi politics in the European sense that it’s not tied to the monarchy or a church but there’s no doubt at all that Nazism was a rightist ideology.

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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:09:09pm

I’ve been in heavy music listening mode all day…playing YouTubes through a tablet connected to my basement studio monitors.

Anyway, I came across this and thought maybe the Lizards would enjoy…I can’t recall seeing it around here…and I never saw it before.

Jeff Beck, Lizzie Ball (violin) & Tal Wilkenfeld (bass) at Madison Square Garden 2013.

Women of Ireland

Good stuff!

Jeff Beck - Women of Ireland (live)

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:09:54pm

re: #355 BeachDem

Could someone explain to me just where the line is drawn between the alt-right and the everyday lunatic right?

Alt-right trend younger and generally don’t try to hide their racism (at least online). Overlap heavily with 4chan culture, embrace anime avatars and believe that messaging via memes is effective. The alt-right generally doesn’t even give lip service to traditional conservative small government ideals, flat tax, social security reform or economic freedom. Their entire raison d’etre is racial and cultural revanchism. They’re primarily whites expressing anger over the loss of a perceived ethnic birthright.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:10:34pm

re: #332 Nojay UK

Survivor bias. I was into caving back in the 1960s (actually a lot of it was exploring old mineworkings and such) and some associates were interested in the idea of cave diving which was becoming a thing about then. They tried to get me to come along “since I had my own wetsuit”, they explained. Some pool training, inadequate prep, inadequate equipment, inadequate everything, a burn rate in the early days of 10% fatalities a year as they pushed into sumps and flooded sections that no-one had been through before. They still haven’t recovered all the bodies.

I’m glad you’re still with us. You either had the sense to know what you didn’t know, or you used up a lot of your luck.

The Woodlands Karst Plain Project down in Florida did a huge job and a great service by bringing the current level of training, techniques, gear configuration and discipline to the field. It’s a horribly unforgiving environment.

RBS

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:10:36pm

My favorite are the right wing idiots who bring up the handful of gay Nazis like Rohm and use it to go “See gay people are Nazis, they should be jailed and ostracized” but the cast majority of Nazis were people like my German ancestors- heterosexual Lutherans or Catholics and no one’s calling for that group to be treated like outcasts even though there were a heck of a lot more them in the Nazi ranks than gay men.

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Altermite  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:10:39pm

re: #355 BeachDem

The alt right is loosely defined as a coalition of white supremacists, “anti-PC” gamersgater types, and anti-establishment nationalists. They’re not all explicitly racist, but unlike the lunatic right, they’re not at all shy about being allied with them.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:11:27pm

re: #367 goddamnedfrank

Alt-right trend younger and generally don’t try to hide their racism (at least online). Overlap heavily with 4chan culture, embrace anime avatars and believe that messaging via memes is effective. The alt-right doesn’t generally doesn’t even give lip service to traditional conservative small government ideals, flat tax, social security reform or economic freedom. Their entire raison d’etre is racial and cultural revanchism. They’re primarily whites expressing anger over the loss of a perceived ethnic birthright.

Good point about the age. Think Chucky and Milo for reference there. You’re right Frank. The alt-right doesn’t try to disguise what they really are and that’s a bunch of racist dicks.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:12:10pm

re: #370 Altermite

The alt right is loosely defined as a coalition of white supremacists, “anti-PC” gamersgater types, and anti-establishment nationalists. They’re not all explicitly racist, but unlike the lunatic right, they’re not at all shy about being allied with them.

I would think and I’m interested for other Lizards thoughts on this matter but I’d say that Ron Paul is a popular figure among the alt-right crowd.

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BeachDem  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:14:38pm

re: #362 HappyWarrior

It is getting blurred and that’s what is so frustrating. What’s even more frustrating though is guys like Ryan acting like they’re shocked that Trump does things like bitch about the ethnic background of the judge in his fraud case. Honestly, I sort of got at it last night and this morning but the mainstream conservatives need to be held accountable for Trump. As a South Carolinian, no doubt you are familiar with Atwater and how two Republican presidents used him in their ascendation to the presidency.

Hey, the “widder” Atwater ran for state school superintendent just last year, and said ignorant shit like this (she lost in a Republican runoff, but still…)

wonkette.com

wonkette.com

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:14:44pm

re: #365 HappyWarrior

You jest but I can’t tell you the number of right wingers that have told me that Hitler was a leftist because of that. I try bringing up that his allies were German industrialists, militant right wing nationalists and that his main enemies were after the Jews- Communists, Social Democrats, and Trade Union members and they just ignore it. I wlil grant that Nazism differs from traditional right wingi politics in the European sense that it’s not tied to the monarchy or a church but there’s no doubt at all that Nazism was a rightist ideology.

I snarked about it a few posts back, but Gregor and Otto Strasser were two Nazi alten Kämpfer who took the “Socialist” part of National Socialist too seriously. It was fatal for them….

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:14:52pm

The alt-right since Frank I agree correctly defined them as younger I think you could argue see themselves as rebelling against what they see and hate about the vast majority in their generation (my generation) that they perceive as too liberal and PC.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:15:52pm

re: #373 BeachDem

Hey, the “widder” Atwater ran for state school superintendent just last year, and said ignorant shit like this (she lost in a Republican runoff, but still…)

wonkette.com

wonkette.com

Going after special needs kids, her husband is smiling where he’s rotting with that shit.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:16:35pm

re: #374 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I snarked about it a few posts back, but Gregor and Otto Strasser were two Nazi alten Kämpfer who took the “Socialist” part of National Socialist too seriously. It was fatal for them….

Yeah I am familiar with the Strassers. Rohm was also in that wing.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:17:08pm

re: #366 ObserverArt

I’ve been in heavy music listening mode all day…playing YouTubes through a tablet connected to my basement studio monitors.

Anyway, I came across this and thought maybe the Lizards would enjoy…I can’t recall seeing it around here…and I never saw it before.

Jeff Beck, Lizzie Ball (violin) & Tal Wilkenfeld (bass) at Madison Square Garden 2013.

Women of Ireland

Good stuff!

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Video

100% approval on my part. Jeff Beck always gets my updings, Tal Wilkenfeld is just awesome. I remember some video of her and Jeff at a festival in Spain(?) and she was matching him lick for lick.

RBS

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:17:11pm

re: #348 Charles Johnson

It’s amazing, considering he’s a closet fascist himself.

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thedopefishlives  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:17:14pm

re: #372 HappyWarrior

I would think and I’m interested for other Lizards thoughts on this matter but I’d say that Ron Paul is a popular figure among the alt-right crowd.

No doubt he is. Alt-right folks can sometimes project as libertarians due to the fact that they generally dislike government entirely. Rather ironic for people who worship one of the most absolute dictators of all time, but there you go.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:17:50pm

Honestly as much as I do appreciate the general liberal bent of my generation, I’m not sold on younger conservatives at all becoming a more reasonable voice than their older parents and grandparents. I’ve seen plenty of conservatives my age who are carbon copies of the older ones and in some ways more fucked up.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:19:03pm

re: #380 thedopefishlives

No doubt he is. Alt-right folks can sometimes project as libertarians due to the fact that they generally dislike government entirely. Rather ironic for people who worship one of the most absolute dictators of all time, but there you go.

Right, a lot of them call themselves libertarians or cling to libertarian ideas. Von Mises I imagine is another popular figure among them. These aren’t your father’s College Republoicans wearing ties and being Ned Flanders like. They’re Chucky Johnson and Milo hurling racist and sexist insults at people who get raped or want to do something about racism.

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BeachDem  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:19:13pm

re: #367 goddamnedfrank

Alt-right trend younger and generally don’t try to hide their racism (at least online). Overlap heavily with 4chan culture, embrace anime avatars and believe that messaging via memes is effective. The alt-right generally doesn’t even give lip service to traditional conservative small government ideals, flat tax, social security reform or economic freedom. Their entire raison d’etre is racial and cultural revanchism. They’re primarily whites expressing anger over the loss of a perceived ethnic birthright.

Thank you for the detailed explanation. I still don’t see that much difference (other than the anime avatars) between them and the run-of-the-mill old racists in this state. Remember, this state was one of the first to go all in for Trump (my county was his biggest win with 49%, and that was back when there were a LOT of candidates.)

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thedopefishlives  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:20:41pm

re: #382 HappyWarrior

Right, a lot of them call themselves libertarians or cling to libertarian ideas. Von Mises I imagine is another popular figure among them. These aren’t your father’s College Republoicans wearing ties and being Ned Flanders like. They’re Chucky Johnson and Milo hurling racist and sexist insults at people who get raped or want to do something about racism.

They use libertarian ideals as a mechanism to espouse white supremacy. See, if we were all on a level playing field, then obviously them uppity blacks and wimminz and the dirty Joos would get put back in their proper places by the power of the white man.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:21:40pm

re: #384 thedopefishlives

They use libertarian ideals as a mechanism to espouse white supremacy. See, if we were all on a level playing field, then obviously them uppity blacks and wimminz and the dirty Joos would get put back in their proper places by the power of the white man.

Yep.

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Danack  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:22:34pm

re: #367 goddamnedfrank

and believe that messaging via memes is effective.

That’s a generational thing I think, rather than a racist fuckwit thing…..

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:22:35pm

re: #384 thedopefishlives

re: #385 HappyWarrior

Excuse me but I took a shower last night. I am not dirty. /

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:23:04pm

re: #369 HappyWarrior

Wingnuts are really obsessed with gay nazis.

Why is that?

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Altermite  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:23:48pm

re: #384 thedopefishlives

They use libertarian ideals as a mechanism to espouse white supremacy. See, if we were all on a level playing field, then obviously them uppity blacks and wimminz and the dirty Joos would get put back in their proper places by the power of the white man.

It’s a bit more awful than that. They also take issue with the government actively preventing them from discriminating. (Note that there is a legitimate, if rejected by SCOTUS, line of argument on this). Ron Paul is a good example of this - he’s not really liberterian per se, he just wants most of those powers to revert from the federal government so the states can get back to what they like best.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:24:09pm

re: #388 SoundGuy 2016

Because it is not supposed to happen. They are perfect. //

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thedopefishlives  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:24:32pm

re: #389 Altermite

It’s a bit more awful than that. They also take issue with the government actively preventing them from discriminating. (Note that there is a legitimate, if rejected by SCOTUS, line of argument on this). Ron Paul is a good example of this - he’s not really liberterian per se, he just wants most of those powers to revert from the federal government so the states can get back to what they like best.

Yup, that was kind of what I was driving at. They want to be free to repress whomever they like, and to prevent others from doing the same.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:25:27pm

re: #388 SoundGuy 2016

Wingnuts are really obsessed with gay nazis.

Why is that?

Two bad guys for the price of one. I get to hate gays and Nazis,yay me!

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:30:58pm

re: #388 SoundGuy 2016

Wingnuts are really obsessed with gay nazis.

Why is that?

For the same reason squid shit a cloud of ink.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:41:06pm

re: #367 goddamnedfrank

Alt-right trend younger and generally don’t try to hide their racism (at least online). Overlap heavily with 4chan culture, embrace anime avatars and believe that messaging via memes is effective. The alt-right generally doesn’t even give lip service to traditional conservative small government ideals, flat tax, social security reform or economic freedom. Their entire raison d’etre is racial and cultural revanchism. They’re primarily whites expressing anger over the loss of a perceived ethnic birthright.

White males. I would say. Sure there’s some ridic exception.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:46:32pm

re: #383 BeachDem

Thank you for the detailed explanation. I still don’t see that much difference (other than the anime avatars) between them and the run-of-the-mill old racists in this state. Remember, this state was one of the first to go all in for Trump (my county was his biggest win with 49%, and that was back when there were a LOT of candidates.)

My Dad wasn’t one of them then. Now? Party before Country.

I’m gathering my MORAL arsenal against trump to submit. Shortly.

I figure trump will add to it before I present my case.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 4, 2016 • 6:49:25pm

ah, when you post in a dead thread & realize it when yours are the last comments.

Just trying to catch up dammit.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 4, 2016 • 8:34:50pm

re: #365 HappyWarrior

You jest but I can’t tell you the number of right wingers that have told me that Hitler was a leftist because of that. I try bringing up that his allies were German industrialists, militant right wing nationalists and that his main enemies were after the Jews- Communists, Social Democrats, and Trade Union members and they just ignore it. I wlil grant that Nazism differs from traditional right wingi politics in the European sense that it’s not tied to the monarchy or a church but there’s no doubt at all that Nazism was a rightist ideology.

They don’t care about facts, its just a talking point for them, like that the Democrats are the real racists because they supported slavery and opposed civil rights. Debate is futile.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 4, 2016 • 9:42:29pm

re: #388 SoundGuy 2016

Wingnuts are really obsessed with gay nazis.

Why is that?

Rule 34


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