Alex Jones Equates Trump University Judge to “A Hispanic KKK Grand Dragon”

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You have to hand it to Donald Trump for at least one thing: he’s sort of a genius at exploiting the racist elements of the right wing voting base. His willingness — actually eagerness — to express outright the nasty bigotry most conservatives have preferred for years to keep semi-hidden is a huge part of his appeal.

Trump knows all he has to do is throw out one racist attack on an enemy and the wingnut mob will instantly seize on it and run with it, inventing fake conspiracies, spewing torrents of racism at places like Breitbart “News,” attacking and smearing, and in the case of conspiracy peddler Alex Jones, comparing Judge Gonzalo Curiel to a Ku Klux Klan Grand Dragon.

Here’s Jones with Donald Trump surrogate Roger Stone, doing what he does best — spreading racist hatred and conspiracy theories.

ALEX JONES (HOST): Today, we are going to look at this judge who has been ruling basically against [Donald] Trump and doing unprecedented things in the Trump University case. And I’ll be honest with you, I’ve kind of ignored Trump University to a certain extent — I’ve done some research. But after Trump came out and said this guy is a Mexican, and by Mexican his loyalty is to Mexico. And so, I did some research and found out wow, Trump needs to go further here. This guy is the head lawyer over a lawyer group based in California, that for decades has been promoting, basically, race-based brainwashing.

Now, I don’t like the Ku Klux Klan, but MEChA [Movimiento Estudiantil Chicanx de Aztlán] and [the National Council of] La Raza and organizations like this … these guys basically operate just like the Klan. They say for those inside our race, everything. For those outside the race, nothing. La Raza means “the race,” so I see Trump say this about this judge, and I think well you’re just saying because he’s Mexican in his heritage that he ruled against you. Has Trump gone too far? And I go look it up, and the guy is worse than what Trump’s saying. And that’s the problem, Trump will just throw something out that’s true, but then I guess with the soundbites not get into the whole background of it. So, we’re going to talk about this judge a little bit right now, but I’ll tell you it’s a fair headline to say that this judge is the equivalent of a Hispanic grand dragon.

By the way, in the real world Judge Curiel is not a member of “La Raza.” He belongs to the San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association, a very unremarkable, very standard lawyers’ group that exists to facilitate networking among Hispanic attorneys, and is unaffiliated with the National Council of La Raza.

(Via Media Matters.)

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jaunte  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:17:05am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:17:12am

I heard all about those racist Mexican American organizations that lynched white people and put up burning saguaro cacti in their front lawns…

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jaunte  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:17:38am
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Dr. Matt  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:18:45am
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wrenchwench  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:22:14am

re: #2 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I heard all about those racist Mexican American organizations that lynched white people and put up burning saguaro cacti in their front lawns…

Hey! Saguaros are a protected species!

White people, not so much.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:25:04am

Wingnuts continue to ignorantly conflate ‘La Raza Lawyers of California’ with the ‘National Council of La Raza’. Lazy, ignorant, and right-wing is no way to go through life.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:26:34am

This La Raza thing will be like the Black Panthers/New Black Panthers myth. Doesn’t matter if there is no connection, just keep saying it in frightening ways.

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Snarknado!  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:29:48am

Off-topic, but tangent to it…

Ugh.

I just took a look at the Netflix entry for Son of Saul (now available on DVD) and found a review by a Holocaust denier (“…impossible to kill that many… couldn’t possibly dispose of the bodies, blah, blah, blah…”).

I reported it, and other lizards with Netflix accounts might want to do the same.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:30:44am
Now, I don’t like the Ku Klux Klan, but MEChA [Movimiento Estudiantil Chicanx de Aztlán] and [the National Council of] La Raza and organizations like this … these guys basically operate just like the Klan.

Just like the Klan. Exactly. Hey, Alex Jones has done “research” on this, so who are we to question that?

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Charles Johnson  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:32:06am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:32:46am
And I’ll be honest with you, I’ve kind of ignored Trump University to a certain extent — I’ve done some research. But after Trump came out and said this guy is a Mexican, and by Mexican his loyalty is to Mexico. And so, I did some research and found out wow, Trump needs to go further here.

Research….you keep using that word, but I do not think it means what you think it means.

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Kragar  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:34:11am
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KGxvi  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:34:27am

Judge Curiel was appointed to the California Superior Court by Arnold Swartznegger before being appointed to the federal bench by Obama. And he was confirmed by voice vote in the Senate. Yep, that sounds like a very terrible person, getting bipartisan support.

(Also, when a lawyer is being vetted for a judgeship in California, the state bar will send surveys to other lawyers in the area to get an idea of the lawyer’s reputation)

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Sir John Barron  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:35:22am

re: #13 KGxvi

Judge Curiel was appointed to the California Superior Court by Arnold Swartznegger before being appointed to the federal bench by Obama. And he was confirmed by voice vote in the Senate. Yep, that sounds like a very terrible person, getting bipartisan support.

(Also, when a lawyer is being vetted for a judgeship in California, the state bar will send surveys to other lawyers in the area to get an idea of the lawyer’s reputation)

Yeah but he heads the La Raza thing which is like KKK brainwashing.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:35:52am

The conspira-loons have not historically lined up behind a specific candidate to anything like this extent. Are they finally making a grab for real mainstream power? They have been preparing the ground for it for many years. I wonder also if Putin and his surrogates have signaled that they are pulling the plug on their semi-clandestine alliance with the conspiracy industry and Jones et al are looking for a new sugar daddy.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:43:34am
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wrenchwench  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:46:56am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

[Sanders tells reporters: if people show up to vote for him, he wins; if they don’t, he loses.]

Is he just now figuring this out?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:46:56am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Sanders tells reporters: if people show up to vote for him, he wins; if they don’t, he loses.

As long as they are registered Democrats: California is a closed primary state

Remember, people: Registering for a party does not make you a member!

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sagehen  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:47:15am

“operate just like the Klan”

So… a lawyers’ affinity group that has banquets every now and then, does some fundraising for scholarships, and maybe a bit of networking to help each other find jobs,

v.

A terrorist organization that killed thousands, a group so violent and dangerous President Grant sent the United States Army to do battle with them for several years, a group that goes to great lengths to keep their identities secret, they operated (I say again, violently) for generations with the collusion of sympathetic sheriffs…

Yeah, sure. They’re just alike.

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Snarknado!  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:47:39am

re: #16 Charles Johnson
At times like these, I am stunned at the depth and insight of the US press.

/(do I need this?)

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Dr. Matt  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:47:39am
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Snarknado!  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:49:15am

re: #18 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

As long as they are registered Democrats: California is a closed primary state

Remember, people: Registering for a party does not make you a member!

The Republican primary is closed, not the Democratic.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:50:27am
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jaunte  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:52:08am

“…Trump made Carrier’s decision to eliminate about 1,400 jobs at its factory on the west side of Indianapolis a centerpiece of his campaign during the runup to Indiana’s primary earlier this month. His victory in that contest sealed his status as the presumptive Republican presidential nominee.

During an April 20 rally in Indianapolis, Trump called the company “ruthless” and told the audience — which included several Carrier workers — that he would “tax the hell” out of its air conditioners. He promised things would be different if he was president.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:52:50am

re: #23 Charles Johnson

They’ve redefined the term “unacceptable”.

They say Trump’s behavior is unacceptable, and yet they accept him.

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nines09  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:53:11am

re: #1 jaunte

Honest!
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Charles Johnson  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:55:54am

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Sir John Barron  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:55:55am

re: #22 Snarknado!

The Republican primary is closed, not the Democratic.

SEE HOW SNEAKY AND CORRUPT THE CORRUPT CORPORATE CLINTON MACHINE IS!!!!!

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withak  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:58:16am

re: #27 Charles Johnson

So thankful for the comment-reload button right now. That was a scary pic.

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nines09  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:58:41am

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Neck. Bro.

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nines09  Jun 6, 2016 • 11:59:15am

re: #29 withak

THANK YOU! I just found that…

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EPR-radar  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:00:08pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

RedState is amazing these days. I never thought I’d see the day when serious wingnuts would criticize a Republican demagogue like Trump, because party over country is the usual Republican rule.

Not this time (apparently).

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Charles Johnson  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:00:46pm

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mroop  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:01:09pm

re: #8 Snarknado!

Off-topic, but tangent to it…

Ugh.

I just took a look at the Netflix entry for Son of Saul (now available on DVD) and found a review by a Holocaust denier (“…impossible to kill that many… couldn’t possibly dispose of the bodies, blah, blah, blah…”).

I reported it, and other lizards with Netflix accounts might want to do the same.

Takes about one minute using their chat feature.

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makeitstop  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:01:46pm

re: #32 EPR-radar

RedState is amazing these days. I never thought I’d see the day when serious wingnuts would criticize a Republican demagogue like Trump, because party over country is the usual Republican rule.

Not this time (apparently).

RedState is, at this point, just about the sole exception to the rule. I honestly don’t expect it to last forever, though.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:02:03pm

re: #32 EPR-radar

RedState is amazing these days. I never thought I’d see the day when serious wingnuts would criticize a Republican demagogue like Trump, because party over country is the usual Republican rule.

Not this time (apparently).

They’re eventually going to come around and become Trump boosters. It’s just a matter of time.

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wrenchwench  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:03:29pm

re: #30 nines09

Nice neck, Neck Bro.

My brother was wondering what happened to his glasses from 1964.

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Jay C  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:03:40pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

This makes one thing very obvious: racism is not a serious problem for the GOP.

You might want to consider rephrasing this: as read, it makes it sound as if racism is NOT a problem for the GOP, whereas (I’m guessing) you mean to say that the GOP doesn’t think racism is a serious problem.*

*Reality notwithstanding, as usual.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:06:26pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:12:54pm

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:14:21pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Hell it’s practically one of their core values now!

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Charles Johnson  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:14:53pm

re: #38 Jay C

Good point - I deleted the first one and posted this instead.

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Kryptik  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:15:27pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

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It honest to god feels like that regardless of the election results, the right wing simply will keep on winning the fight for the hearts and minds of the country because everyone seems to accept their framing and worldview in the end save a core of sane folks that seem to dwindle by the day. God help me, I know the internet amplifies the crazy, but god help me how many people on the liberal side of things accepting face front bullshit about BLM essentially being the KKK, feminism being the new fascism, Freddie Gray deserving to die because he was an incurable thug, etc. etc. etc.

This is a fight the right wing seems to always fucking win, forever and anon, and the world continues to feel more and more impenetrable by the day because trying to fight it only gets you labeled as the biggest super-Satan in the history of ever.

God, I know I’m a broken record like this, but I keep drowning in this despair that Trump’s worldview will win even if he loses the election.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:15:56pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

But he looks so sane and rational!

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Dr. Matt  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:16:52pm

Unhinged Uber driver fired after lesbian couple records his angry ‘f*ggot’ rant

A lesbian couple in Melbourne, Australia were subject to an antigay tirade and vicious harassment by their Uber driver over the weekend. The women recorded part of the encounter, which ultimately cost the driver his job.

[…]

he driver began to hurl antigay epithets at the women for the remainder of the trip to their home. When they arrived, he continued to rant at them but refused to unlock the car doors and let them out, which is when the women began to record.

“What are you going to do, give me a ‘1’ rating and make a complaint?” John demanded. “When I write my report about two faggots who don’t like being called faggots, then what’re they going to say?”

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Anymouse  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:18:09pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Back from lunch, left as the village ladies were showing up for their Monday coffee klatch. Good time to get out.

Hey Erick Erickson; you could dump the GOP and come in from the dark. Remember to the conservatives in the GOP you are only useful until you step out of line, then you are a RINO.

You could have an epiphany here… . That they don’t care about you.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:19:00pm

re: #45 Dr. Matt

Unhinged Uber driver fired after lesbian couple records his angry ‘f*ggot’ rant

I’m glad Uber’s wonderful secret internal vetting caught this guy during the initial interview process!

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Charles Johnson  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:20:05pm

re: #46 Anymouse

Back from lunch, left as the village ladies were showing up for their Monday coffee klatch. Good time to get out.

Hey Erick Erickson; you could dump the GOP and come in from the dark. Remember to the conservatives in the GOP you are only useful until you step out of line, then you are a RINO.

You could have an epiphany here… . That they don’t care about you.

I can guarantee that will never happen. In fact, I expect Erickson to eventually knuckle under and jump on the Trump train.

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EPR-radar  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:20:12pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

They’re eventually going to come around and become Trump boosters. It’s just a matter of time.

That is the way to bet. If it happens, it will be very entertaining to see the mental contortions involved.

Much of the anti-Trump stuff at RedState isn’t the usual “insufficiently conservative” stuff that can be walked back with no effort at all.

Instead it is accurate appraisals of Trump’s innumerable character flaws, including his racism. That last is truly surprising, since I had assumed US right wingers to no longer be capable of recognizing racism.

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Kryptik  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:21:15pm

re: #45 Dr. Matt

Unhinged Uber driver fired after lesbian couple records his angry ‘f*ggot’ rant

Considering some of the other horror stories regarding Uber, I honestly feel like this could have ended a lot more terrifyingly. No lie, I find myself scared to use Uber or Lyft or whatever rideshare service because of how shoddy the vetting seems to be.

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Anymouse  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:23:52pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

I can guarantee that will never happen. In fact, I expect Erickson to eventually knuckle under and jump on the Trump train.

Yeah, you’re probably right. I don’t think Mr. Erickson has the strength of character.

My wife wants to watch the cinematic masterpiece “When Zombie Werewolves Attack” now… . Made by Troma, the soft-porn company that brought you “Toxic Avenger.”

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Kryptik  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:24:00pm

re: #49 EPR-radar

That is the way to bet. If it happens, it will be very entertaining to see the mental contortions involved.

Much of the anti-Trump stuff at RedState isn’t the usual “insufficiently conservative” stuff that can be walked back with no effort at all.

Instead it is accurate appraisals of Trump’s innumerable character flaws, including his racism. That last is truly surprising, since I had assumed US right wingers to no longer be capable of recognizing racism.

I half expect someone to come out and just say it: ‘Isn’t a little racism what we need to get this country on the right track?’. Just come out and fucking say it, because they’ll be throwing their lots in anyways with unabashed racism by their own admission.

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Anymouse  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:27:38pm

The difference between Erick Erickson and Ben Sasse is Senator Sasse does not depend on page hits to get his paycheck. Mr. Erickson’s Website will likely (though I am not a traffic analyst) start dropping as Trump supporters leave and other right-wing Websites pile on RedState.

He will either have to cave or lose his business, and I suspect he doesn’t have the strength of character to oppose the pull of wingnut welfare.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:27:57pm

I am glad even though Reid is retiring, he’s calling this shit out. Make McConnell fucking own it. He’s supporting Trump if not because he agrees with him because he’s into self preservation. Either way, it shows McConnell to be a man of no character.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:28:38pm

re: #53 Anymouse

The difference between Erick Erickson and Ben Sasse is Senator Sasse does not depend on page hits to get his paycheck. Mr. Erickson’s Website will likely (though I am not a traffic analyst) start dropping as Trump supporters leave and other right-wing Websites pile on RedState.

He will either have to cave or lose his business, and I suspect he doesn’t have the strength of character to oppose the pull of wingnut welfare.

The other thing is let’s be honest is that Erickson is a shithead too. I am glad he condemns Trump but I haven’t forgotten that he’s a homophobic sexist piece of work too.

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Anymouse  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:31:34pm

re: #54 HappyWarrior

I am glad even though Reid is retiring, he’s calling this shit out. Make McConnell fucking own it. He’s supporting Trump if not because he agrees with him because he’s into self preservation. Either way, it shows McConnell to be a man of no character.

Well, we knew that about the senior senator from Kentucky before Trump came on the scene.

re: #55 HappyWarrior

The other thing is let’s be honest is that Erickson is a shithead too. I am glad he condemns Trump but I haven’t forgotten that he’s a homophobic sexist piece of work too.

He will either have to cave or lose his business, and I suspect he doesn’t have the strength of character to oppose the pull of wingnut welfare.

Well, I suppose we’ll take what we can get. One problem at a time.

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(((The Engineer Lobuno)))  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:32:43pm

I’m reading this article, about the importance of the Puerto Rican primary. It’s a fascinating view on an alternative view of Puerto Rico for presidential elections. I didn’t think it this way.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:32:46pm

re: #53 Anymouse

The difference between Erick Erickson and Ben Sasse is Senator Sasse does not depend on page hits to get his paycheck. Mr. Erickson’s Website will likely (though I am not a traffic analyst) start dropping as Trump supporters leave and other right-wing Websites pile on RedState.

He will either have to cave or lose his business, and I suspect he doesn’t have the strength of character to oppose the pull of wingnut welfare.

Erick son of Erick’s nonsupport with Trump is because Trump is not theocrat enough. If web traffic (and income) decrease, Erick will see the hand of Jesus in Trump, somewhere.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:33:23pm

re: #53 Anymouse

The difference between Erick Erickson and Ben Sasse is Senator Sasse does not depend on page hits to get his paycheck. Mr. Erickson’s Website will likely (though I am not a traffic analyst) start dropping as Trump supporters leave and other right-wing Websites pile on RedState.

He will either have to cave or lose his business, and I suspect he doesn’t have the strength of character to oppose the pull of wingnut welfare.

I thought Erickson wasn’t directly involved in the site anymore.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:35:41pm

re: #59 Timothy Watson

Erick son of Erick’s new home is The Resurgent, having unloaded Red State to Salem Communications a bit back.

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EPR-radar  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:36:22pm

re: #59 Timothy Watson

I thought Erickson wasn’t directly involved in the site anymore.

I think Leon Wolf is the leader at RedState these days. Erickson has his own thing “The Regurgitant”.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:37:50pm
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jaunte  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:38:57pm

re: #61 EPR-radar

“The Resurgent” definitely puts one in mind of stomach acid.

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Anymouse  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:39:30pm

re: #57 (((The Engineer Lobuno)))

I’m reading this article, about the importance of the Puerto Rican primary. It’s a fascinating view on an alternative view of Puerto Rico for presidential elections. I didn’t think it this way.

It gave me something to think about vis Puerto Rico I had not considered, but should have.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:41:10pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

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In reality, the only racial problem amongst Republicans is a that more Racist policy can’t be implemented or constructed.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:45:41pm
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Kragar  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:45:45pm
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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:50:48pm

re: #67 Kragar

I think we have the same office-mate.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:52:06pm

re: #56 Anymouse

Well, we knew that about the senior senator from Kentucky before Trump came on the scene.

He will either have to cave or lose his business, and I suspect he doesn’t have the strength of character to oppose the pull of wingnut welfare.

Well, I suppose we’ll take what we can get. One problem at a time.

Oh yeah. We all knew McConnell was a shithead. The rest of the country I don’t think did when they gave him the majority leader’s spot though. I just have no sympathy at all for conservatives who have been paying the way for Trump’s rise for years and they suddenly have to deal with it. I think Erick’s mad because he knows Trump is a bigot and he knows that Trump’s existence as the GOP nominees confirms a lot of what we’ve been saying about his ideology and party for years.

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Danack  Jun 6, 2016 • 12:55:51pm

re: #58 BlueSpotinAL

Erick son of Erick’s nonsupport with Trump is because Trump is not theocrat enough. If web traffic (and income) decrease, Erick will see the hand of Jesus in Trump, somewhere.

I believe the son Erick, also called Erick, actually sold Redstate off to ‘Salem Media group’ in 2014. So depending on who their backers are, they may have their own reasons to ‘come to Trump’, but the progeny of Erick will not be that involved in the decision.

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Skip Intro  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:00:32pm

SMACK!

Congressman To Donald Trump: Shove The Border Wall ‘Up Your Ass’

It would fit, too.

BOOM!

“Before you dismiss me as just another ‘Mexican,’ let me point out that my great-great grandfather came to this country in 1857, well before your own grandfather.”

huffingtonpost.com

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iossarian  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:00:47pm

re: #70 Danack

I believe the son Erick, also called Erick, actually sold Redstate off to ‘Salem Media group’ in 2014. So depending on who their backers are, they may have their own reasons to ‘come to Trump’, but the progeny of Erick will not be that involved in the decision.

I read more RedState than I should (lame excuse: so you don’t have to; real reason: because it’s right-wing nonsense-porn). I can thus tell you that it is currently front-page edited by people who know that racism is bad yo but can’t seem to fathom that all their True Conservative heroes are also really racist, just not out loud.

Oh, and one total lunatic who really, really hates gay people and is probably gay himself.

They have spent a good deal of time and energy trashing Trump so it’s not clear how they reinvent themselves. There’s a lot of talk of Whig parties and so on.

EE is not involved unless he is pulling the strings like some deranged spittle-flecked puppet master.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:01:14pm

Trump posted a Facebook video this morning to boast about how “the Latinos” love him so much.

Facebook Video

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nines09  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:02:49pm

re: #73 Charles Johnson

Wow I was wrong! ///////////////////infinity

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KerFuFFler  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:04:43pm

In the thread below there was a lot of back and forth between DF and others about the craven GOP capitulation to Trump. DF offered “analysis” suggesting that many Republicans were intimidated and felt they had no choice if they wanted to keep their jobs as politicians.

Well, yeah, but caving in to intimidation and ditching one’s principles for the sake of staying in office is simply not leadership. Congressmen are supposed to be leaders, not just representatives. And they are supposed to put their county’s best interests ahead of their own personal ambitions.

I can’t help but compare their cowardly and greedy behavior with Muhammad Ali’s heroic example regarding Vietnam.

In 1966, Ali announced his refusal to fight in Vietnam. After his conscientious objector status request was denied in April 1967, he refused induction. Ali’s title was taken away from him, and he was sentenced to a five-year prison term. He appealed all the way to the Supreme Court, and in 1971 his conviction was finally reversed.

DF, I have read enough of your comments on many different topics to believe that you mean well and disapprove of a lot of what has become of your party. Generally loyalty is a virtue, but persisting in supporting a party that has sidelined all the principled members and policies is taking loyalty too far. Refusing to vote for Trump and any down ticket GOP slots for politicians who have caved in to him would not be a betrayal on your part. In nominating him, they have betrayed you! They have to be defeated this cycle so they can rehabilitate their party.

I hope my tone does not come across as rude. I have respect for your willingness to comment here though most lizardim are more liberal and take you to task. The blog is more interesting when people don’t agree on everything. So in the spirit of respectful dialogue I ask you, what principles does the current GOP still embody that make you still see them as your political brethren?

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withak  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:05:48pm

re: #73 Charles Johnson

Trump posted a Facebook video this morning to boast about how “the Latinos” love him so much.

[Embedded content]

The ‘4’ represents a level of support. Whether that means 4% or 4 whole votes from Hispanics is left as an exercise for the reader.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:06:53pm

The sad thing is if that kid were anywhere else but a Trump video and Trump’s supporters saw him, they’d shout racial obscenities at him.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:08:22pm

re: #75 KerFuFFler

I used to feel the same way. I hope your efforts have more success than mine did. I stopped trying to reach out after being repeatedly ignored.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:10:36pm
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EPR-radar  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:16:14pm

re: #78 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I used to feel the same way. I hope your efforts have more success than mine did. I stopped trying to reach out after being repeatedly ignored.

It is irritating. DF frequently posts like a civilized person, but remains stubbornly and often offensively loyal to the party of barbarians.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:16:26pm

Berniebro reporter upset because female reporter wouldn’t let Bernie Sanders interrupt, talk over her, and cut her off.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:17:34pm
An embattled Donald Trump urgently rallied his most visible supporters to defend his attacks on a federal judge’s Mexican ancestry during a conference call on Monday in which he ordered them to question the judge’s credibility and impugn reporters as racists.

“We will overcome,” Trump said, according to two supporters who were on the call and requested anonymity to share their notes with Bloomberg Politics. “And I’ve always won and I’m going to continue to win. And that’s the way it is.”

There was no mention of apologizing or backing away from his widely criticized remarks about U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel, who is overseeing cases against the Trump University real-estate program.

When former Arizona Governor Jan Brewer interrupted the discussion to inform Trump that his own campaign had asked surrogates to stop talking about the lawsuit, Trump repeatedly demanded to know who sent the memo, and immediately overruled his staff.

“Take that order and throw it the hell out,” Trump said.

Keep doing that thing that’s killing my campaign!

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:17:44pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

I made the comment over at Facebook this morning that emergency rooms across the country are preparing for the day Bernie loses. There will be, I believe, a great increase in apoplexy and catatonia victims, plus a fair uptick in attempted suicides and homicides.

To the Berners I say, “Don’t take life so serious. It ain’t nohow permanent.”

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nines09  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:18:24pm
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Sir John Barron  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:18:58pm

re: #83 Romantic Heretic

I made the comment over at Facebook this morning that emergency rooms across the country are preparing for the day Bernie loses. There will be, I believe, a great increase in apoplexy and catatonia victims, plus a fair uptick in attempted suicides and homicides.

To the Berners I say, “Don’t take life so serious. It ain’t nohow permanent.”

It won’t be tomorrow though. The true believers are demanding a contested convention.

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Tigger2  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:19:34pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

Berniebro reporter upset because female reporter wouldn’t let Bernie Sanders interrupt, talk over her, and cut her off.

[Embedded content]

For people saying Sanders is so down to earth, he sure sounds like an entitled asshole to me. .

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KerFuFFler  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:20:43pm

Time for a break… :)

YouTube

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:20:44pm

re: #80 EPR-radar

It is irritating. DF frequently posts like a civilized person, but remains stubbornly and often offensively loyal to the party of barbarians.

The part where he doesn’t acknowledge the very real threat of harm the GOP represents to various Lizards kind of makes it clear what he actually thinks of us as people. Or a community.

Other Lizards certainly have the right to feel differently, but I think it’s fair for Lizards to be frustrated with him too, because he has shown a willingness to support harm done.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:21:23pm

re: #86 Tigger2

For people saying Sanders is so down to earth he sure sounds like an entitled asshole to me. .

Shock of shocks, but those people that like how Sanders sounds and acts are likely to support him. Those that do not like how he sounds and acts are not likely to support him.

And yet Sanders supporters attempt(ed) to sway me with his temperament.

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Anymouse  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:21:26pm

re: #75 KerFuFFler

[clip]

Well, yeah, but caving in to intimidation and ditching one’s principles for the sake of staying in office is simply not leadership. Congressmen are supposed to be leaders, not just representatives. And they are supposed to put their county’s best interests ahead of their own personal ambitions.

[clip]

While I do not stand with most of my junior senator’s (Ben Sasse-R) positions, so far I can respect him for not caving and putting his job or party over the nation. So far, Mr. Sasse has shown himself to be a man of principles, which earns my respect though we are far apart politically.

On the other hand, my senior senator (Deb Fischer-R) is possibly more craven that Paul Ryan or Mitch McConnell: She is refusing to take any position at all on Mr. Trump. She is waiting to see which way the wind blows before she takes a stand. She is being craven about this.

Most certainly Senator Fischer has formed an opinion one way or another on Mr. Trump, but by refusing to publicly state what it is, she is most certainly not a leader.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:21:31pm

I don’t have anything against DF too. Honestly I feel bad for him that he feels he can’t be himself without abandoning the Republican Party. I think what gets so many frustrated with him here is that he can be civilized, thoughtful, and kind but then he’ll post something either very partisan or that shows no empathy at all for other people. I notice it happens a lot when we talk foreign policy and he just justifies our nation’s support of right wing dictatorships as something that had to happen and I just wish DF could put himself in the shoes of someone different than himself. I continue to try to engage him because I do think he’s a decent person but blinded by his allegiance to the GOP.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:22:19pm

re: #82 goddamnedfrank

Keep doing that thing that’s killing my campaign!

Told the memo was sent by Erica Freeman, a staffer who circulates information to surrogates, Trump said he didn’t know her. He openly questioned how the campaign could defend itself if supporters weren’t allowed to talk.
“Are there any other stupid letters that were sent to you folks?” Trump said. “That’s one of the reasons I want to have this call, because you guys are getting sometimes stupid information from people that aren’t so smart.”

Poor Erica

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HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:23:36pm

re: #88 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The part where he doesn’t acknowledge the very real threat of harm the GOP represents to various Lizards kind of makes it clear what he actually thinks of us as people. Or a community.

Other Lizards certainly have the right to feel differently, but I think it’s fair for Lizards to be frustrated with him too, because he has shown a willingness to support harm done.

Everyone has a right to feel how they do. We’re all different people. I’ve found myself more frustrated with him than I was in the past because I have seen him contradict himself. I’ve seen him acknowledge to us that Ted Cruz is awful and then he tells us that he’s gong to around and support Cruz. I am glad he opposes Trump for now but I do wonder that if he won’t be singing a different tune by fall that he has to support Trump to stop Clinton.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:24:16pm

re: #75 KerFuFFler

Makes me think of Edmund Burke’s speech to The Electors of Bristol.

Certainly, gentlemen, it ought to be the happiness and glory of a representative to live in the strictest union, the closest correspondence, and the most unreserved communication with his constituents. Their wishes ought to have great weight with him; their opinion, high respect; their business, unremitted attention. It is his duty to sacrifice his repose, his pleasures, his satisfactions, to theirs; and above all, ever, and in all cases, to prefer their interest to his own. But his unbiassed opinion, his mature judgment, his enlightened conscience, he ought not to sacrifice to you, to any man, or to any set of men living. These he does not derive from your pleasure; no, nor from the law and the constitution. They are a trust from Providence, for the abuse of which he is deeply answerable. Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion.

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Kragar  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:24:23pm
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Stanley Sea  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:25:19pm

ugh.

He’s not here. Don’t think psychoanalysis from afar is fair.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:25:32pm

re: #95 Kragar

This is wild: Trump, on conference call, orders confused surrogates to attack reporters as the real racists. t.co
— Daniel Dale

Everything is fine…….

/

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Anymouse  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:25:39pm

re: #93 HappyWarrior

Everyone has a right to feel how they do. We’re all different people. I’ve found myself more frustrated with him than I was in the past because I have seen him contradict himself. I’ve seen him acknowledge to us that Ted Cruz is awful and then he tells us that he’s gong to around and support Cruz. I am glad he opposes Trump for now but I do wonder that if he won’t be singing a different tune by fall that he has to support Trump to stop Clinton.

I left another group that I had much in common with, but most of its members supported Ted Cruz. There were numerous arguments between them and me over my atheism, about which I tried to point out would put me (and many others) in danger in a Cruz presidency.

I was told I was deluded, &c. I left that group.

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wrenchwench  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:26:05pm

Yamiche also retweeted our Charles and many other supporters.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:26:41pm

re: #96 Stanley Sea

ugh.

He’s not here. Don’t think psychoanalysis from afar is fair.

Fair enough. I won’t try to analyze. I just think he should realize he’s free to be himself without the GOP. And I think it’s terrible that I have the impression that he feels his family and friends off of here will abandon him if he stops voting Republican.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:27:29pm

re: #98 Anymouse

I left another group that I had much in common with, but most of its members supported Ted Cruz. There were numerous arguments between them and me over my atheism, about which I tried to point out would put me (and many others) in danger in a Cruz presidency.

I was told I was deluded, &c. I left that group.

In the end, I just don’t know how you can see the danger of Donald Trump and not see the problems with Ted Cruz.

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nines09  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:28:01pm

re: #95 Kragar

Very Presidential. Stable. Reasonable. Thought out. Calm. I can almost hear him screaming. Reassuring.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:28:28pm

re: #99 wrenchwench

Yamiche also retweeted our Charles and many other supporters.

Charles Blow must be a corporate sell-out bought and paid for by George Soros and David Brock.

//

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Testy Toad T  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:29:33pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

In the end, I just don’t know how you can see the danger of Donald Trump and not see the problems with Ted Cruz.

Cruz’s positions are Goldwater-level crazy, but he comports himself as an adult, and he seems to seek to implement his ideas within the framework of the rule of law. I would not fear that a President Cruz would start a war with Nation X because he felt himself personally insulted by the leader of X, but I absolutely can envision Donald Trump doing so.

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Ming5000  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:29:59pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

I just wonder if he smells burnt popcorn.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:30:29pm

re: #104 Testy Toad T

Cruz’s positions are Goldwater-level crazy, but he comports himself as an adult, and he seems to seek to implement his ideas within the framework of the rule of law. I would not fear that a President Cruz would start a war with Nation X because he felt himself personally insulted by the leader of X, and I absolutely can envision Donald Trump doing so.

Trump made Cruz sound downright pleasant and reasonable.

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sffilk  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:31:19pm

I’m beginning to think that any judge who disagrees with the chump is going to be seen as a bad judge, no matter where they’re from, what gender, genealogical derivation, religion, etc.

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Anymouse  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:32:17pm

re: #104 Testy Toad T

Cruz’s positions are Goldwater-level crazy, but he comports himself as an adult, and he seems to seek to implement his ideas within the framework of the rule of law. I would not fear that a President Cruz would start a war with Nation X because he felt himself personally insulted by the leader of X, and I absolutely can envision Donald Trump doing so.

Criuz is a theocrat. He would start a war over religion.

Remember his statement about the Middle East? “We’ll make the sand glow.” Cruz called for war crimes. No. Cruz does not comport himself as an adult. See also government shutdown so Cruz could make a name for himself while costing the taxpayers billions of dollars.

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EPR-radar  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:33:26pm

Drinftglass hit another one out of the park driftglass.blogspot.com

The teaser:

Erick Erickson Asks Reality for a Divorce

Specifically, of those ouchless, no-fault divorce in which neither side takes any blame or is liable for any broken furniture or years

In documents filed with the court, the party of the first part (Mr. Erickson) says he is willing to stipulate that while he was out subbing for Rush Limbaugh on the radio, somehow, millions of bigots snuck into his Decent and Respectable Republican Party ten minutes ago and elected an openly racist asshole as their nominee for president.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:34:49pm

re: #92 Stanley Sea

Poor Erica

Yeah I feel bad for her but at the same time she knew what she was signing up for. I mean, she’s voluntarily trying to mitigate an abject racist’s overt racism, so a wake up call is in order.

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Anymouse  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:35:12pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

In the end, I just don’t know how you can see the danger of Donald Trump and not see the problems with Ted Cruz.

I did see the dangers of Senator Cruz: I think you might have misread what I wrote—perhaps I was unclear in my writing.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:36:01pm

re: #111 Anymouse

I did see the dangers of Senator Cruz: I think you might have misread what I wrote—perhaps I was unclear in my writing.

Oh I know you meant. Sorry. I just mean in general. I don’t know how anyone can see Trump sucks but not see that Cruz does too.

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EPR-radar  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:36:16pm

re: #96 Stanley Sea

ugh.

He’s not here. Don’t think psychoanalysis from afar is fair.

This isn’t psychoanalysis. For my part, Republicans are a threat to me and my friends, so I’m not going to let someone who should know better than to vote (R) off the hook.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:36:31pm

re: #104 Testy Toad T

Cruz’s positions are Goldwater-level crazy, but he comports himself as an adult, and he seems to seek to implement his ideas within the framework of the rule of law. I would not fear that a President Cruz would start a war with Nation X because he felt himself personally insulted by the leader of X, but I absolutely can envision Donald Trump doing so.

That is a true point.

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coin operated  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:37:45pm
“We will overcome,” Trump said, according to two supporters who were on the call and requested anonymity to share their notes with Bloomberg Politics. “And I’ve always won and I’m going to continue to win. And that’s the way it is.”

LOL. He must not have read the complaint in Cohen v. Trump. I’m not a lawyer, but after reading the complaint and the denial to his motion to dismiss, I’d say Trump is about to have his ass handed to him on a silver platter.

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Anymouse  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:39:15pm

re: #114 HappyWarrior

Testy Toad T wrote: I would not fear that a President Cruz would start a war with Nation X because he felt himself personally insulted by the leader of X, but I absolutely can envision Donald Trump doing so.

That is a true point.

Cruz would start a war over religion. Or more properly, a crusade.

Remember, Cruz is an end-times Fundamentalist. Need Armageddon in the Middle East to bring on the End Times, and I guarantee Cruz would be no more trustworthy with the football than Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:41:00pm

re: #116 Anymouse

Testy Toad T wrote: I would not fear that a President Cruz would start a war with Nation X because he felt himself personally insulted by the leader of X, but I absolutely can envision Donald Trump doing so.

Cruz would start a war over religion. Or more properly, a crusade.

Remember, Cruz is an end-times Fundamentalist. Need Armageddon in the Middle East to bring on the End Times, and I guarantee Cruz would be no more trustworthy with the football than Trump.

I do think you’re right. In any case, both are horrible opitions. I do agree that Cruz would never start a war because a leader personally insulted him. However, Cruz has his own problems that Trump doesn’t like literally having his Daddy tell him that he’s divinely chosen to save the country. I mean Trump has a Messiah compelx too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:45:25pm

re: #93 HappyWarrior

Everyone has a right to feel how they do. We’re all different people. I’ve found myself more frustrated with him than I was in the past because I have seen him contradict himself. I’ve seen him acknowledge to us that Ted Cruz is awful and then he tells us that he’s gong to around and support Cruz. I am glad he opposes Trump for now but I do wonder that if he won’t be singing a different tune by fall that he has to support Trump to stop Clinton.

He says he will not cast a vote for president.
However (and other lizards may remember this), there was one particular race in Illinois where he said something similar early in the campaign season. Then, after the election said he had voted for the Republican candidate (a woman, but I can’t recall her name) that he had earlier said he would NOT vote for because she was such a nutzo. After he said he had indeed voted for her, he said he didn’t know who she was other than she wasn’t the Dem candidate and admitted that the (R) after her name was the only reason she got his vote.

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dangerman  Jun 6, 2016 • 1:56:58pm

fwiw, yes, i’m new around here.

i don’t care who you vote for. i care how you decide who you vote for.

i learn far, far more about you by trying to understand your decision making.

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EPR-radar  Jun 6, 2016 • 2:05:09pm

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

He says he will not cast a vote for president.
However (and other lizards may remember this), there was one particular race in Illinois where he said something similar early in the campaign season. Then, after the election said he had voted for the Republican candidate (a woman, but I can’t recall her name) that he had earlier said he would NOT vote for because she was such a nutzo. After he said he had indeed voted for her, he said he didn’t know who she was other than she wasn’t the Dem candidate and admitted that the (R) after her name was the only reason she got his vote.

The candidate was Susanne Atanus in 2014 for the Illinois-9 congressional district.

Atanus is barking mad, even for a Republican, and had come in for some well-deserved mockery here.

As I recall, DF admitted voting for her in the Republican primary because it would be good to have a woman running for office as a GOPer (i.e., tokenism).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 6, 2016 • 2:21:12pm

re: #120 EPR-radar

The candidate was Susanne Atanus in 2014 for the Illinois-9 congressional district.

Atanus is barking mad, even for a Republican, and had come in for some well-deserved mockery here.

As I recall, DF admitted voting for her in the Republican primary because it would be good to have a woman running for office as a GOPer (i.e., tokenism).

After he had CLEARLY stated earlier in the campaign that he would not vote for her.
In the end he did and justified it by saying he didn’t know who she was.
But collective lizard memory is very very good and his excuse was noted and debunked.


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