It’s still early, and a lot of these votes are from mail ballots, but this is a huge lead for Hillary Clinton. If this holds, she could be looking at a major sweep.
The front page of The New York Times for Wednesday, June 8. pic.twitter.com/QcrbmwnaP3
— The New York Times (@nytimes) June 8, 2016
I have seen it posited that, much like with Cruz in April, people are tired of the process and are ready for it to be over.
“If you’re explaining, you’re losing” has as a corollary “if you’re complaining about the rigged process, it’s probably because you’re a sore loser”.
The front page of The New York Times for Wednesday, June 8. pic.twitter.com/QcrbmwnaP3
— The New York Times (@nytimes) June 8, 2016
Polls last week had Clinton up by about 12% in the early vote in California. She leads it by about 25% instead.
— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) June 8, 2016
In the Senate primary, it’s looking like no Republican is going to break 10%, Duf Sundheim is flirting with it, but even if he does get there, he’d still be 8 points behind Loretta Sanchez. I suspect the CAGOP’s response to this is going to be to try and find a way to discourage people from getting into the race so that they can consolidate enough Republican votes to get someone on the general election ballot (I also suspect that it won’t work in cases of open races).
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Seriously how the fuck you gonna change the system if you aren’t together enough to vote by mail & deal w/ potential last minute bullshit?
— Putain Démocratique (@goddamnedfrank) June 8, 2016
Would be absolutely devastating if the polls were this wrong - AGAIN - for all the BernieBros. Christ. A 30-point asskicking would pretty much make all the fucksticks that have been bugging me on and offline for the past few months finally shut up.
One of the worst things of this primary season is all the acrimony that it has brought out of people. I put myself in that category as well. Dammit.
Trying to figure out how to be gracious about this to people who have flung monkeypoo the past few months is a chore.
re: #5 Charles Johnson
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re: #7 Khal Wimpo (not-so-Super Tuesday’s Child)
Would be absolutely devastating if the polls were this wrong - AGAIN - for all the BernieBros. Christ. A 30-point asskicking would pretty much make all the fucksticks that have been bugging me on and offline for the past few months finally shut up.
One of the worst things of this primary season is all the acrimony that it has brought out of people. I put myself in that category as well. Dammit.
Trying to figure out how to be gracious about this to people who have flung monkeypoo the past few months is a chore.
Sadly, the asskicking probably won’t stay this bad. The Election Day vote is starting to come in, and that’ll slow down the expansion of Hillary’s 400,000-vote lead at least.
re: #6 goddamnedfrank
In fairness to those younger voters, I still get a surge of adrenalin and a heart a-titter with freedom when I walk up to the booth. I feel like I’m about to tear up, sometimes. I do kinda get the desire to keep the process formal and traditional, because I bet a lot of those citizens remember going to the polls with their parents every fall, probably to a place that seemed unique to them because they’d never go there otherwise. I know I do.
Looks like the people at DK are already coming together.
re: #13 Tigger2
Looks like the people at DK are already coming together.
Markos has been doing yeoman’s work smiting the broletariat. There ought to be a book about that man someday.
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re: #7 Khal Wimpo (not-so-Super Tuesday’s Child)
Would be absolutely devastating if the polls were this wrong - AGAIN - for all the BernieBros. Christ. A 30-point asskicking would pretty much make all the fucksticks that have been bugging me on and offline for the past few months finally shut up.
One of the worst things of this primary season is all the acrimony that it has brought out of people. I put myself in that category as well. Dammit.
Trying to figure out how to be gracious about this to people who have flung monkeypoo the past few months is a chore.
I solve it by only talking to people about politics here, and muting it anywhere else.
re: #15 Charles Johnson
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I also find it funny that Trump can’t break 80% of Republican voters (in a closed primary) when everyone else has dropped out of the race.
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re: #20 KGxvi
I also find it funny that Trump can’t break 80% of Republican voters (in a closed primary) when everyone else has dropped out of the race.
He’s apparently lost 29% of the vote in New Mexico and 33% in South Dakota to… no one, or at least to candidates not actually running.
re: #19 GlutenFreeJesus
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re: #20 KGxvi
I also find it funny that Trump can’t break 80% of Republican voters (in a closed primary) when everyone else has dropped out of the race.
Extremely since he thinks he’s beloved.
.@NPR reporting Sanders has asked @POTUS NOT to endorse @HillaryClinton.
Why is he doing this?— Victoria Brownworth (@VABVOX) June 8, 2016
I hope this isn’t true.
Bernie has taken the lead in Montana, although none of the population center precincts have posted results.
Charles Johnson,
As a Bernie supporter I’m disappointed that he won’t be our next president, but at least Hillary will be way better than Trump, and she still has a chance of making it to the white house.
re: #25 Jenner7
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I hope this isn’t true.
“Don’t endorse her! She hasn’t won yet!”
“Blow it out your ass, Bernie. You’ve lost, take it like a man.”
re: #25 Jenner7
The weight of such a request would compare unfavorably to the thrust of an ion engine.
[sorry for nerding]
[[no I’m not]]
No way CA stays 62–37, but Clinton is definitely doing better than expected. Santa Cruz County is going to go for Sanders (it’s 52–48 on the early absentees but that will flip), which likely means SF and a couple of others at least … I’m not quite ready to call it, but it looks good for Clinton. Of course, for delegates, she’s way over the, um, 20% she needed. Best case for Sanders is a Pyrrhic victory.
re: #26 Single-handed sailor
Bernie has taken the lead in Montana, although none of the population center precincts have posted results.
Where did you hear about that?
Crowd at @BernieSanders rally booing loudly at images of @HillaryClinton and chanting “Bernie or Bust.” pic.twitter.com/B0rgIjuxmp
— Yamiche Alcindor (@Yamiche) June 8, 2016
Ugh..
Nailed. It.
One explanation for the Politico article: Sanders isn’t a Democrat and doesn’t care about the Democratic Party, but some of his aides do.
— Josh Barro (@jbarro) June 8, 2016
As a heads up, nobody wants to call CA. It is the definition of a trap - biased sample returns. But it looks like Clinton will win. 95% cert
— Benchmark Politics (@benchmarkpol) June 8, 2016
re: #25 Jenner7
If it’s true, Bernie is going to be very disappointed. POTUS is one of Hillary’s biggest weapons against Trump, especially since he’s polling north of 50%.
I’m staying up as long as I can. I’ve been waiting for this moment for months. I love this shit. :D
re: #25 Jenner7
The only reason to make that request is so that you can concede and endorse her first. It’s a face saving move. At least, that’s the reason for a rational actor.
I finally got around to publishing part 2 of “Welcome Wingnut Parallel Universe,”
Welcome to the Wingnut Parallel Universe Part 2A: Gun Control & Tyranny
However I had to separate it into two parts. Part 2B will be on Gun Control and Crime. Hopefully it won’t take as long as it took me to write the previous segment.
Hopefully you guys find what I had to say on gun control as useful as what I had to say on climate change in part 1.
re: #32 Jenner7
I know that’s California but what’s going on?
re: #28 Targetpractice
“Don’t endorse her! She hasn’t won yet!”
“Blow it out your ass, Bernie. You’ve lost, take it like a man.”
So Bernie asked for a Thursday meeting at the White House, and Obama graciously gave him one. I so hope that Obama endorses tomorrow. Then he can face Bernie and say, “So, what are you going to do for us?” Anyone else want to be a fly on the wall?
re: #39 KGxvi
The only reason to make that request is so that you can concede and endorse her first. It’s a face saving move. At least, that’s the reason for a rational actor.
That’s assuming Bernie is trying to do the honorable thing, rather than the self-serving thing, which is to keep alive this delusion that he can somehow win over the superdelegates between now and Philly.
re: #35 Single-handed sailor
Thanks. Unfortunately its doubtful it will be enough for him now.
re: #38 Jenner7
I’m staying up as long as I can. I’ve been waiting for this moment for months. I love this shit. :D
You’re a political junkie.
re: #41 GlutenFreeJesus
She’s doing way better than expected in early voting, which was already in her favor. I think same day voting hasn’t trickled in yet.
re: #44 CriticalDragon1177
Thanks. Unfortunately its doubtful it will be enough for him now.
…there’s no doubt. Bernie is done.
The real question is whether he is going to be gracious and help campaign for Hillary after the convention (as well as, preferably, during) or not.
re: #45 teleskiguy
I have a cake recipe for ‘Better Than Sex’ Cake. And, um, it’s good!
re: #46 Jenner7
She’s doing way better than expected in early voting, which was already in her favor. I think same day voting hasn’t trickled in yet.
Depends on the county. Some have reported precinct results. A lot of the major population centers haven’t, though.
I assume it got posted elsewhere already, but if you have not read the Politico piece on Sanders, take a few moments and do so.
His minions who came forward with this absolutely did the right thing. The candidate himself needs to fully own his delusional bitterness.
@CindyDPishere Worst episode of Scooby Doo EVER!
— Putain Démocratique (@goddamnedfrank) June 8, 2016
It looks like the bern-it-downers have flounced en masse from DKos. Comment sections are surprisingly tolerable.
re: #50 bratwurst
I assume it got posted elsewhere already, but if you have not read the Politico piece on Sanders, take a few moments and do so.
His minions who came forward with this absolutely did the right thing. The candidate himself needs to fully own his delusional bitterness.
That article was pretty eye opening.
re: #51 goddamnedfrank
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re: #34 bratwurst
Related:
Less high-minded explanation: they have to get hired by future Democratic campaigns and he doesn’t https://t.co/vEpD5LSX8W
— Ezra Klein (@ezraklein) June 8, 2016
re: #46 Jenner7
Yup. But the video. Why the booing and stuff? What’s going on in the vid? Sanders Rally?
On the California ballot there are 34 people running in the US Senate primary.
Republican “race realist” Ron Unz is currently in 10th place.
BTW, here is something that flew under most people’s radar:
A great endorsement by one of our most courageous and principled national Republican leaders https://t.co/Pm5dIaYU9r
— Ron Unz (@RonUnz1) May 9, 2016
Why do people still ignore that Ron Paul explicitly endorses racists?
re: #12 Testy Toad T
In fairness to those younger voters, I still get a surge of adrenalin and a heart a-titter with freedom when I walk up to the booth. I feel like I’m about to tear up, sometimes. I do kinda get the desire to keep the process formal and traditional, because I bet a lot of those citizens remember going to the polls with their parents every fall, probably to a place that seemed unique to them because they’d never go there otherwise. I know I do.
Our polling place was the gym of my grade school, so I’d just wait for them to come vote and pick me up. Remember it well, though.
re: #49 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Depends on the county. Some have reported precinct results. A lot of the major population centers haven’t, though.
Here’s the Secretary of State’s results page by county. Big counties to keep an eye on: Los Angeles, San Francisco, Alameda (Oakland), Orange, and San Diego.
She’s leading in each of those counties, though San Francisco and Orange are showing 0% reporting
re: #56 GlutenFreeJesus
Yup. But the video. Why the booing and stuff? What’s going on in the vid? Sanders Rally?
Was news on the big screen showing Hillary kicking ass in California.
The Politico piece just underscores the conclusion that Josh Marshall reached weeks ago: All the nastiness and bitterness of the Sanders campaign comes from the top, and from Sanders in particular. This isn’t the Sultan getting bad advice from his scheming Vizier, this is a jackass whose buddies are egging him on because they don’t want the gravy train to come to a stop.
re: #56 GlutenFreeJesus
Oh, sorry. They were booing at images of Hillary and chanting Bernie or Bust.
re: #59 KGxvi
Here’s the Secretary of State’s results page by county. Big counties to keep an eye on: Los Angeles, San Francisco, Alameda (Oakland), Orange, and San Diego.
She’s leading in each of those counties, though San Francisco and Orange are showing 0% reporting
You forgot Santa Clara, which has San Jose.
It’s a small place, I know.
re: #59 KGxvi
It can take a week for the complete results to come in.
re: #53 HappyWarrior
That article was pretty eye opening.
Crazy-scary might be a better description. And it’s why POTUS and others can’t simply browbeat the Bern into acting like a civilized person. I honestly believe he’s right on the border of being delusional enough to go third party, which is almost the only thing that might allow Trump to beat HLC.
re: #22 Brian J.
He’s apparently lost 29% of the vote in New Mexico and 33% in South Dakota to… no one, or at least to candidates not actually running.
I’m getting the feeling (hope?) more and more that November’s going to be an unexampled bloodbath.
re: #64 klys (maker of Silmarils)
You forgot Santa Clara, which has San Jose.
If I only knew the way…
re: #64 klys (maker of Silmarils)
You forgot Santa Clara, which has San Jose.
It’s a small place, I know.
Do you know the way to San Jose?
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re: #64 klys (maker of Silmarils)
You forgot Santa Clara, which has San Jose.
It’s a small place, I know.
San Jose? That’s, like, by Fresno, right?
(ducks)
re: #70 KGxvi
San Jose? That’s, like, by Fresno, right?
(ducks)
Don’t you dare put me closer to Upchuck than I have to be.
re: #66 whitebeach
Crazy-scary might be a better description. And it’s why POTUS and others can’t simply browbeat the Bern into acting like a civilized person. I honestly believe he’s right on the border of being delusional enough to go third party, which is almost the only thing that might allow Trump to beat HLC.
I think sore-loser laws prohibit Sanders from being added to the ballot in a number of states.
Which, incidentally, I think is the reason he was encouraged/facilitated/allowed to run as a Democrat in the first place. By 2020, he will likely be out of the political picture.
I LOLed.
I wish all the alt-right and alt-left boys would alt-jump into an alt-volcano. https://t.co/4sCmfJrATv
— (((Imani Gandy))) (@AngryBlackLady) June 8, 2016
Best part is that Trumps whole business racket is stretched to the limit, juggling lines of credit, etc. campaign will likely wreck him
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) June 8, 2016
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This election isn’t about the same old fights between Democrats and Republicans—it’s about who we are as Americans. pic.twitter.com/uHSSsV1S1k
— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) June 8, 2016
re: #66 whitebeach
Crazy-scary might be a better description. And it’s why POTUS and others can’t simply browbeat the Bern into acting like a civilized person. I honestly believe he’s right on the border of being delusional enough to go third party, which is almost the only thing that might allow Trump to beat HLC.
Fortunately, I think it’s too late for him to jump third party.
Wonder if this has something to do with Russia’s anti gay “propaganda” laws?
INTERVIEW: The #Russian #Siri Is #Homophobic As Hell https://t.co/X8H0RYc2xW #Gay #LGBTQ #Russia #Homophobia #Apple pic.twitter.com/KR6u1gXuDu
— Unicorn Booty (@unicornbooty) May 30, 2016
Try and get your mouse over the City and County of San Francisco on the LA Times poll Results Map to see county poll results. It’s a test of dexterity.
re: #80 Single-handed sailor
Try and get your mouse over the City and County of San Francisco on the LA Times poll Results Map to see county poll results. It’s a test of dexterity.
lol, I never saw that little square in the pacific.
re: #80 Single-handed sailor
Try and get your mouse over the City and County of San Francisco on the LA Times poll Results Map to see county poll results. It’s a test of dexterity.
I just enjoy seeing the vote counts by county and marveling at how population density in CA varies. (Spoiler alert for those who didn’t know: a fucking ton.)
Napa has 90% reporting in and maybe 10.5k votes.
Santa Clara has 0% reporting in and already well over 100k votes.
Alpine has 60% reporting in and …26 votes.
re: #57 freetoken
On the California ballot there are 34 people running in the US Senate primary.
Republican “race realist” Ron Unz is currently in 10th place.
BTW, here is something that flew under most people’s radar:
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I always thought Ron Paul got off way too easy for the newsletter thing. Either he wrote it himself or he was a okay with Lew Rockwell writing racist shit in his name. Ron Paul is and always has been a racist and so is his dipshit son who employed a confederate avenger.
Again speaking with regards to my 2008 self, I just watched a HClinton ad for president and I am crying openly (as a white male, for the record).
Did not see that coming at the time.
MSNBC now showing 34% in, and Hillary’s big lead is still holding steady https://t.co/Dxt3zlemLT pic.twitter.com/5VzHvgJiA6
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) June 8, 2016
re: #78 HappyWarrior
Fortunately, I think it’s too late for him to jump third party.
The Green Party apparently has an old school convention because they don’t have ballot access in all 50 states, and their convention is in August. So, if they decide they want to pull a Nader, it’s possible. I think it’s highly unlikely, but that’s probably his only chance (and it wouldn’t get him on the ballot in all 50 states).
re: #79 CriticalDragon1177
Now here’s a more positive story on technology and LGBT acceptance.
The Sims 4 Breaks Down Gender Barriers https://t.co/can3qsBPv3 pic.twitter.com/77NlYwRaWR
— SimsVIP (@SimsVIP) June 2, 2016
Come to think of it, I’m surprised the Sims is not banned in Russia, especially after EA released this update.
In Imperial County, California, highest Hispanic % in the state, Clinton is leading 74-24%. https://t.co/iqS2UQESmu
— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) June 8, 2016
re: #86 KGxvi
The Green Party apparently has an old school convention because they don’t have ballot access in all 50 states, and their convention is in August. So, if they decide they want to pull a Nader, it’s possible. I think it’s highly unlikely, but that’s probably his only chance (and it wouldn’t get him on the ballot in all 50 states).
Wonder how Jill Stein’s ego will take that haha.
re: #87 CriticalDragon1177
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Come to think of it, I’m surprised the Sims is not banned in Russia, especially after EA released this update.
Never quite understood the reasoning behind the gendered clothes and haircuts. I mean, let’s be honest, this is a game series that has tried to run under the “simulate your life” mindset, yet IRL you see women in men’s shirts and guys with “girly” hair all the time.
Polling was tight. But Hill is crushing Bernie.
I’m ready for Ms 45.
re: #88 Tigger2
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re: #57 freetoken
On the California ballot there are 34 people running in the US Senate primary.
Republican “race realist” Ron Unz is currently in 10th place.
BTW, here is something that flew under most people’s radar:
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Why do people still ignore that Ron Paul explicitly endorses racists?
To quote the great Jesse Custer (comics, not tv), “Why is it the greatest champions of the white race always turn out to be the worst examples of it?”. That guy looks like a Star Trek alien baddie!
From Reddit, Bernie Bros harassing poll workers:
reddit.com
The money excerpt:
I usually enjoy voting in person, but today the Berniacs showed up with a slew of various complaints that just slowed everything down. I had to listen to obnoxious Berniacs:
•argue with poll workers about EVERYTHING
•quizzing poll workers to determine if they had been properly trained
•making unnecessary proclamations about their voting rights
•accusing poll workers of attempting voter suppression
•demanding to speak to a “Precinct Captain”
•LOUDLY announcing that they were “surrendering” their NPP ballot and requesting a Democratic ballot with Bernie’s name on it.
•citing various laws/statutes and using legal terms that made them sound like those Sovereign Citizen [redacted].
•wanting TWO ballots so they could vote twice - the second vote was for the guy’s brother who was on vacation and out of state.
•announce that something was suspicious because the names on the ballot were in a different order than what they saw on the internet (we rotate names differently in each voting district)
•not understand that you only get a ballot stub as your receipt when you’re done. They do NOT give you a […] copy of your ballot no matter how much you whine about it.
I particularly like the guy who wanted extra “absentee” ballots.
These guys are such losers that they’re whining about someone taking a cartoon from them that wasn’t really their’s in the first place and using it against them.
(((How to make a racist cry))) https://t.co/TPHNqZsrTH pic.twitter.com/xJvKCaUV9B
— (((PZ Myers))) (@pzmyers) June 7, 2016
re: #91 SoundGuy 2016
Polling was tight. But Hill is crushing Bernie.
I’m ready for Ms 45.
That’s MADAM 45 - but yeah, I’m ready, too……
@AngryBlackLady It’s called Clitter, the social messaging app men can’t find.
P.S. Please don’t block me.— Putain Démocratique (@goddamnedfrank) June 8, 2016
re: #94 Sherlock Hound
From Reddit, Bernie Bros harassing poll workers:
reddit.comThe money excerpt:
I particularly like the guy who wanted extra “absentee” ballots.
I think this may be the thing that pisses me off the most about this campaign. They act like total assholes. I really hope that a lot of it is younger people who with time and wisdom can learn but they’re all not young.
re: #61 Targetpractice
I must say that most of what is in the Politico article about Sanders had already been discussed here at LGF—- my go to place for serious discussions about politics and politicians.
re: #90 Targetpractice
Never quite understood the reasoning behind the gendered clothes and haircuts. I mean, let’s be honest, this is a game series that has tried to run under the “simulate your life” mindset, yet IRL you see women in men’s shirts and guys with “girly” hair all the time.
Maybe because our society is only now starting to see gender as fluid. Being trans was usually something that movies made fun of, not too long ago.
re: #61 Targetpractice
You’re a great amateur political scientist, always enjoy reading your takes about politics!
:-)
re: #100 CriticalDragon1177
Maybe because our society is only now starting to see gender as fluid. Being trans was usually something that movies made fun of, not too long ago.
The character wasn’t trans but was rather a drag queen but The Birdcage feels dated to me and it’s only been 20 years. Still a funny as hell movie though.
re: #94 Sherlock Hound
From Reddit, Bernie Bros harassing poll workers:
reddit.comThe money excerpt:
I particularly like the guy who wanted extra “absentee” ballots.
Okay, those guys are off their rocker for sure.
re: #89 HappyWarrior
Wonder how Jill Stein’s ego will take that haha.
It’d be foolish for Sanders to go that way. The Greens don’t have ballot access in all 50 states, they do have enough to get to 293 electoral votes - but that means winning California, Texas, Florida, and New York (just to start).
re: #105 KGxvi
It’d be foolish for Sanders to go that way. The Greens don’t have ballot access in all 50 states, they do have enough to get to 293 electoral votes - but that means winning California, Texas, Florida, and New York (just to start).
For another Bernie’s never been a Green either. I think honestly he will endorse Clinton. He won’t be happy about it but he’ll do it. Honestly, some hard ball might be in order.
Another famous failure of creationism
The Triumph of the Peppered Moths and the Failure of Creationism https://t.co/H2Eayi3DoA #sweskep #skeptic #evolution #fact
— Emil Karlsson (@EmilKarlsson) June 6, 2016
This is only less embarrassing for creationists than the fake human / dinosaur footprints and the “atheist’s nightmare” of the banana,
I don’t see Bernie going Green Party. As crazy as he is, I don’t think he’s ready to commit political seppuku. I think he may instead pull a Eugene McCarthy: Leave the convention without endorsing Hillary and instead blathering about how he’s the leader of the “government in exile.” Go out insisting he didn’t lose, he was robbed.
re: #108 Targetpractice
I don’t see Bernie going Green Party. As crazy as he is, I don’t think he’s ready to commit political seppuku. I think he may instead pull a Eugene McCarthy: Leave the convention without endorsing Hillary and instead blathering about how he’s the leader of the “government in exile.” Go out insisting he didn’t lose, he was robbed.
I think Eugene McCarthy is who he reminds me of. No offense to lizards who may have gone clean for Gene back in the day but Gene McCarthy from a historical perspective reminds me of Bernie, someone very egocentric and not interested in working with other people and prone to jealously. McCarthy was apparently livid when RFK entered the race.
I recently discovered this account on Instagram, I don’t know how many of these quotes are real, but I want them all to be real:
Guy to volunteer. Polling Place. West LA.🐴🏷
Overheard by Anonymous 📥
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re: #108 Targetpractice
Go out insisting he didn’t lose, he was robbed.
To be quite frank, going Green sounds like 1) work 2) not massive self-satisfying rallies.
I don’t think he’s been subsisting on anything but attention this calendar year.
Now looking pretty sure that Hillary’s going to thoroughly trounce Bernie in California.
re: #112 Charles Johnson
Now looking pretty sure that Hillary’s going to thoroughly trounce Bernie in California.
Well good for her, just about any Democrat will be better than Trump.
re: #112 Charles Johnson
Now looking pretty sure that Hillary’s going to thoroughly trounce Bernie in California.
All because of the AP announcement last night I’m sure.
OK, I’m jealous.
Sources: Sanders’ motorcade stopped at In-N-Out Burger
— Matt Laslo (@MattLaslo) June 8, 2016
Hey Charles, any chance we can get a Hillary bumper sticker generator or would that just invite too much trouble from Bernie Bros and wingnuts?
re: #112 Charles Johnson
Now looking pretty sure that Hillary’s going to thoroughly trounce Bernie in California.
And that brings us to that time of the show where we ask ourselves how many delegates this was all worth!
North Dakota: Sanders 13, Clinton 5. If she’d won *one* more state-level delegate, she’d have received another delegate in Philly but alas.
South Dakota: Clinton 10, Sanders 10. But she gets bragging rights!
Montana: Clinton 11, Sanders 10. According to the Green Papers, she’s staying just close enough in western Montana to keep its 8 delegates split evenly and is just ahead in eastern Montana, thus winning 4 of its 7. (Montana does not actually have 2 Congressional districts, but Democrats pretend that it does for these purposes.) Yeah, this won’t set Bernard off or anything…
New Mexico: Clinton 18, Sanders 16. Narrow win, pretty evenly split around the state.
So that’s Sanders 49, Clinton 44 so far. Now the big states:
New Jersey: The Green Papers are a little behind on account of the fact that NJ splits its delegates weirdly, by pairs of legislative districts rather than Congressional districts. Also, her lead is now a little bigger than the last time they updated, and they left one pair of districts blank. I’ll say Clinton 78, Sanders 48 for now.
California: Oh God. I’ll guess that Hillary’s final percentage margin is halved. 12% of 475 is 57, so she gets 57 more delegates than Sanders. Clinton 266, Sanders 209.
Total for the night: Clinton 388, Sanders 306.
Total for the primary process: Clinton 2,199, Sanders 1,832, 20 left in DC.
Superdelegates Hillary needs: 184 minus whatever she wins in DC, less than a third of her current total. So Bernie only has to swing about 400 superdelegates, which would be 401 more than he’s managed so far. He’s screwed. He should know it. Buh-bye.
@SarcasticRover This was the best tweet to help fill up a block list. 👍
— SarcasticRover (@SarcasticRover) June 8, 2016
re: #116 Eclectic Cyborg
The most fun part of the bumper sticker generator is in laughing at Trump. None of us is going to do that to Hillary unless we joke about her hot sauce (“want sauce? Lots of sauce!”) or her pantsuit collection.
We are going to see Hillary meme stuff. It will make the racist Obama meme stuff look normal.
So, no, if I were Charles.
re: #118 Kragar
Someone at daily Kos put up that he’d been a Bernie supporter but after tonight’s results he donated $2700 to Clinton.
re: #76 Charles Johnson
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re: #120 Belafon
Someone at daily Kos put up that he’d been a Bernie supporter but after tonight’s results he donated $2700 to Clinton.
Wow.
re: #121 Jebediah, RBG
Hey, put that behind private tags, will ya? Charles was explicit about this.
re: #121 Jebediah, RBG
Thank you! It might have been a typo or something. Downding rescinded.
Apparently I was right. https://t.co/IzTvt2qaLJ
— Putain Démocratique (@goddamnedfrank) June 8, 2016
What’s the holdup as we wait to hear from @BernieSanders? Aide told me a short time ago: Sanders was still writing his speech.
— Nancy Cordes (@nancycordes) June 8, 2016
He was so sure he was going to win California.
re: #126 goddamnedfrank
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He was so sure he was going to win California.
I guess the aides didn’t have the heart to tell him the internals. God I would not want to work for such a man. I do appreciate Bernie for showing me that you can have a good amount of ideological agreement with someone on paper but be miles apart when it comes to how you actually want things done. Bernie has shown himself to be a left wing Trump/Cruz.
Somebody should have a 3rd grader read tiny trumps speech. It would sound more presidential.
Sanders is finally speaking in California.
Starts off thanking his supporters. Not combative at all. I got a sneaky suspicion he might be suspending his campaign tonight.
re: #133 Bill and Opus for 2016!
Starts off thanking his supporters. Not combative at all. I got a sneaky suspicion he might be suspending his campaign tonight.
Hmmm he did have a conversation with Obama.
Looks like Unz has slipped out of 10th place (and thus off the front page of the Senate results), to 11th place, just 31 votes behind fellow Republican Tom Palzer, who is… yes, of course… another Drumpfskindanhanger tea partier:
Hillary’s lead has been remarkably stable in California for the last hour or so, right at 400,000 votes, while the percentage slowly ticks down.
So far not a single word about Hillary Clinton, but has been attacking Donald Trump the entire time.
re: #76 Charles Johnson
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We aren’t going to get young people actually interested in voting until they can redeem their confirmed voted status for some dank nugs.
— Putain Démocratique (@goddamnedfrank) June 8, 2016
re: #133 Bill and Opus for 2016!
Starts off thanking his supporters. Not combative at all. I got a sneaky suspicion he might be suspending his campaign tonight.
I think so, too. Especially with him talking about not supporting Trump and not allowing him to become president.
re: #137 Bill and Opus for 2016!
So far not a single word about Hillary Clinton, but has been attacking Donald Trump the entire time.
I’ve been waiting for that. Good. If he can use some of that piss and vinegar on Trump, that would be great. Trump will probably be stupid and distracted and wind up attacking Bernie instead of Clinton.
re: #136 Brian J.
This counting will go on for quite awhile…
re: #139 goddamnedfrank
The way some of these folks are thinking, just give them some paint. @goddamnedfrank pic.twitter.com/LirOtSbvOo
— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) June 8, 2016
Ugh…not conceding tonight.
Dumbass.
And now promising to take “the fight” to Philadelphia.
Fuck.
re: #116 Eclectic Cyborg
Hey Charles, any chance we can get a Hillary bumper sticker generator or would that just invite too much trouble from Bernie Bros and wingnuts?
All we’d get is variations on the “Hillary for Prison” that are all too common around here. Lots of serious Hillary hate around here. In some ways it’s worse than anything against Obama.
re: #144 bratwurst
Ugh…not conceding tonight.
Dumbass.
Damnit. Only thing I guess is he wants to see what happens in D.C. Whatever, it’s his funeral.
Ugh. So much for that. He’s saying he’s going to continue to Washington DC, and the convention in Philly.
re: #147 Bill and Opus for 2016!
Ugh. So much for that. He’s saying he’s going to continue to Washington DC, and the convention in Philly.
Goddamnit Bernie.
re: #149 Jenner7
Obama needs to come out ASAP.
I think he will and he absolutely should. This is just pathetic. Clinton was way closer to Obama than Bernie is to her and she conceded. But I guess it’s different because Bernie is a special snowflake.
re: #150 Jenner7
Booing Hillary. Nice.
A total contrast to what you saw when Hillary mentioned Bernie. Yeah guys that’ll make the SDs change their mind alright. Sigh these fools just don’t get it.
Last shred of respect for Bernie just flew out the window. I suspect I am not alone.
That moment when Sanders could have quit with his dignity intact?
Yeah, he fucking missed it. https://t.co/b5BsoPDixs— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) June 8, 2016
re: #149 Jenner7
Obama needs to come out ASAP.
If Sanders really did ask the President not to endorse her, this performance should be enough reason to tell him where to stick that request.
Different take:
If Bernie truly intended on contesting the convention, he would’ve kept attacking Hillary. He didn’t. Just needs time to land the plane.
— Jon Favreau (@jonfavs) June 8, 2016
Bernie is gonna fight for his ideas at the Convention. Not for the nomination at the Convention.
— Armando (@armandodkos) June 8, 2016
re: #136 Brian J.
Hillary’s lead has been remarkably stable in California for the last hour or so, right at 400,000 votes, while the percentage slowly ticks down.
Bernie’s closing the gap, Clinton’s lead down to under 398K
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re: #157 Jenner7
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I hope so. I could understand honestly if he said he wanted to see what happened in D.C but I don’t get staying until the convention.
He’s a doddering old loon. He’s delusional. RT @AFP: #BREAKING: Bernie Sanders vows to stay in Democratic nomination race
— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) June 8, 2016
Sanders is going to look like a fool. Basically he’s a team that has been mathematically eliminated but still hopes to make the playoffs. It’s over. I think this must be about fund-raising.
re: #162 KingKenrod
Sanders is going to look like a fool. Basically he’s a team that has been mathematically eliminated but still hopes to make the playoffs. It’s over. I think this must be about fund-raising.
He’s probably in debt.
re: #43 Targetpractice
That’s assuming Bernie is trying to do the honorable thing, rather than the self-serving thing, which is to keep alive this delusion that he can somehow win over the superdelegates between now and Philly.
Well his fans are certainly delusional. A conversation on a Bernie thread at kos.
CNN just reported the Jeff Weaver and Robby Mook (Hillary’s campaign manager) have been talking. The convos have been about keeping the lines of communication open and have been cordial.
The reporter basically speculated that it was about unity strategy.
not what nina turner said. i hope not. Not time yet.
Not unless they want to give him SoS or Sec. of the Treasury
Bernie should stay in the Senate. He has a lot of power there. Put surrogates in VP, SoS, SoT.
I’d settle for that. Real surrogates.
What part of “YOU LOST” do they not understand?
Sanders still pushing what’s now a total fantasy, that he can still win the nomination. Just disturbingly weird at this point.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) June 8, 2016
re: #157 Jenner7
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That ship sailed weeks ago, when he could he retired from the race on the possibility that he could have still won the race. Instead, now he goes to the convention with it pretty clear he never had a chance and with no leverage whatsoever. He squandered his one opportunity to show he was serious with his platform committee picks. He’s a joke and the party will see him as such if he shows up at the convention insisting he can still win.
re: #164 BeachDem
Well his fans are certainly delusional. A conversation on a Bernie thread at kos.
What part of “YOU LOST” do they not understand?
Yeah I’ve had it. And for it’s worth, I didn’t think Obama owed Clinton anything and Clinton to her credit did a ton more campaigning for Obama than Bernie will for her.
re: #154 blueraven
Last shred of respect for Bernie just flew out the window. I suspect I am not alone.
I will contribute to anyone that tries to primary him in VT the next time he runs.
re: #169 Tigger2
I will contribute to anyone that tries to primary him in VT the next time he runs.
Al Giordano.
My intuition as a human being, not an elections guy, is that Sanders needs to find a way to save face, and he’ll do that in the coming days.
— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) June 8, 2016
“Playing the part of the Washington Generals tonight is Senator Bernie Sanders.” @danpfeiffer @Fishbooom
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) June 8, 2016
re: #171 teleskiguy
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He’s had chance after chance and blown them all. Obama and Reid are gonna read him the Riot Act day after tomorrow. Oh, to be a fly on the wall.
Figure what will be the real wake-up call is not the inevitable avalanche of remaining SD votes going to Clinton, but the few that Sanders still has saying “Screw this, I don’t want to be on the bad side of the boss” and changing their votes.
re: #174 Targetpractice
Figure what will be the real wake-up call is not the inevitable avalanche of remaining SD votes going to Clinton, but the few that Sanders still has saying “Screw this, I don’t want to be on the bad side of the boss” and changing their votes.
Jeff Merkley shouldn’t let his head hit the pillow tonight without informing Sanders of this.
re: #174 Targetpractice
Figure what will be the real wake-up call is not the inevitable avalanche of remaining SD votes going to Clinton, but the few that Sanders still has saying “Screw this, I don’t want to be on the bad side of the boss” and changing their votes.
I think that could happen honestly. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Bob Reich leave him either. He really is doing his best to alienate a lot of people.
One reason why there will be no Republican on the ballot for US Senate come November is that their lead candidate was seen as not “conservative” enough, so a fast-talking flat-taxer and a religious-right tea-partier jumped in (along with a bevy of even more extreme extremists, like Unz).
In other words, the race for ideological purity has blown up in the Republicans’ faces.
CNN gives Sanders his last morsel of comfort this season, projecting him as the winner in Montana. He has taken the lead in Eastern Montana by about 600 votes, so he’ll probably get an 11-10 split in delegates. Whoopty-doo.
re: #82 klys (maker of Silmarils)
In case anyone was curious, Alpine is now 100% in. Hillary won with 31 votes to Bernie’s 22.
Well I’m going to sleep. Hopefully Bernie will realize what a stubborn ass he’s being come morning but I have other things to dream about.
re: #173 Brian J.
He’s had chance after chance and blown them all. Obama and Reid are gonna read him the Riot Act day after tomorrow. Oh, to be a fly on the wall.
I would throw his people off of the platform committee
The “true” Progressive, except, no he’s not. Ugh, this has deteriorated beyond my feeble imagination. https://t.co/wtLmDWYost
— Sandra Hanlon (@sandralhanlon) June 8, 2016
If Bernie truly intended on contesting the convention, he would’ve kept attacking Hillary. He didn’t. Just needs time to land the plane.
— Jon Favreau (@jonfavs) June 8, 2016
Okay, but he’s diverting that fucker through some severe turbulence. https://t.co/lpL4rCh251
— Putain Démocratique (@goddamnedfrank) June 8, 2016
re: #183 goddamnedfrank
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I suppose it’s possible he wants to wait til after DC before calling it quits, but if that’s the case then he needs to drop this “contested convention” shit. Just admit up front he’s keeping to his promise to run until all the states have had a vote, then bowing out. Nobody will think anything less of him for doing so, mostly because by this point there’s not much less we can think about him.
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re: #179 klys (maker of Silmarils)
In case anyone was curious, Alpine is now 100% in. Hillary won with 31 votes to Bernie’s 22.
According to the CNN/ NYT maps, Sanders won Alpine 129-110. I see where your numbers are coming from (the SoS page), but I don’t know why there’s a discrepancy.
re: #186 Brian J.
According to the CNN/ NYT maps, Sanders won Alpine 129-110. I see where your numbers are coming from (the SoS page), but I don’t know why there’s a discrepancy.
No idea, but I know which page I trust more?
After all that delusional crap I had blared at me about how Bernie was leading Hillary in the CA polls, she flattened him.
Feels good, man.
Now for the inevitable “Bern It Down To The Ground” phase. (sigh) And then all these excited progressiver-than-thous can crawl back under their rocks for three years, never once giving a single shit about changing the system they insist is corrupt.
re: #187 klys (maker of Silmarils)
As a follow-up, it finally updated. May have been the late and/or all absentee ballots coming in after the precinct votes were reported.
re: #187 klys (maker of Silmarils)
No idea, but I know which page I trust more?
The SoS page now agrees with CNN/ NYT. 129-110 for Sanders. Sorry.
“So what was your last job?”
“Working for the Sanders campaign.”
“Sorry to hear that.”
re: #193 Targetpractice
“So what was your last job?”
“Working for the Sanders campaign.”
“Sorry to hear that.”
“No, I don’t want that supersized.”
“Republicans continue to lose ground in voter registration to Democrats and have failed to win a single statewide election for a decade.”
— Mexican Judge Ortíz (@TUSK81) June 8, 2016
re: #195 Kragar
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“We just need to be more Conservative! THEN people will flock to the CAGOP!!”
Up next: Turning Trump into a history lesson.
Berners are handling everything in stride.
#IWillNeverStandWithHer bc shes evil & corrupt. She isnt the presumptive nominee nor the nominee. Bernie is truth & truth wins.#NeverHillary
— Ava Blanqo (@AvaBlanqo) June 8, 2016
@Norway_E @bubblegenius NEVER, I’d vote for Trump before Hillary. But I won’t be voting for either. I’ll be voting for the dem nom, Bernie.
— Ava Blanqo (@AvaBlanqo) June 8, 2016
Ivanka Trump’s face the moment after her father Donald talks about “our African-Americans” during his speech tonight pic.twitter.com/uuvaEmAlVE
— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) June 8, 2016
re: #199 teleskiguy
otoh, she prolly always looks like that.
Down at the deep end of the pool Berners really are a cult, and the problem is Bernie is in there with them, worshiping himself.
It’s tough for a West Coast political junkie/nightowl. All the good tweeters have gone to bed. Benchmark, Nate Cohn, Harry Enten. And me, without an answer to a question that’s now moot.
- The whole system is corrupt. Bern it down!
- Uh huh. So how are you gonna do it now that Bernie has lost?
- He hasn’t lost, you idiot, the superdelegates don’t count right now and by the time of the convention Shillary will be indicted by the FBI! Fact!
- Wait, so the FBI is not corrupt?
- I… um… uh… I’ll get back to you on that.
re: #57 freetoken
On the California ballot there are 34 people running in the US Senate primary.
Republican “race realist” Ron Unz is currently in 10th place.
BTW, here is something that flew under most people’s radar:
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Why do people still ignore that Ron Paul explicitly endorses racists?
Dude’s face is the wrong size for his skull.
An argument diametrically opposed to the one he was making five months ago, that pledged delegate majority & popular vote should hold sway.
— Putain Démocratique (@goddamnedfrank) June 8, 2016
Minorities who, while Bernie fights to obviate their votes, will be further put at risk of a Trump Presidency as he hands Trump ammunition.
— Putain Démocratique (@goddamnedfrank) June 8, 2016
re: #208 goddamnedfrank
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Ah, those long past days, when Bros would endlessly yammer that Bernie was gonna clean up in the pledged delegate count and go to the convention as the champion of “the people,” and how the superdelegates should be done away with because they’d try to give the nomination to Hillary in defiance of the popular vote.
Now it’s “They should give him the nomination because polls five months from Election Day say he’ll win by a bigger margin than Hillary will!”
With basically half of precincts reporting, Bernie’s mighty Election Day machine has reduced Hillary’s once-massive 400,000-vote lead down to… 395,995 (as of the last CNN update). No call because that would apparently kick us out of the dream or something. I think this is my cue to get some rest.
Like their recklessness and narcissism are all an act instead of organic, long term consistent parts of their established personalities.
— Putain Démocratique (@goddamnedfrank) June 8, 2016
re: #199 teleskiguy
Last winter I actually saw Ivanka and her family (and two nannies and I assume a bodyguard) eating breakfast right across the room from where I and a companion were eating breakfast in a restaurant in Aspen. My companion pointed it out, “That’s Ivanka Trump!” I said “So what?” I didn’t even know what she looked like. Sure enough.
She tended to her infant the whole time and her husband Jared and the two nannies were tending to the two other kids.
I had a Denver Omelette. Then we went skiing over at Aspen Highlands.
re: #88 Tigger2
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Imperial County also has a strong Native population—not sure of the #s, but the tribes have some heavy influence.
re: #109 HappyWarrior
I think Eugene McCarthy is who he reminds me of. No offense to lizards who may have gone clean for Gene back in the day but Gene McCarthy from a historical perspective reminds me of Bernie, someone very egocentric and not interested in working with other people and prone to jealously. McCarthy was apparently livid when RFK entered the race.
And just as a reminder, that is the McCarthy Barney Frank was referring to in his comment about Bernie that sent the Berners over the edge (yes, it was a day ending in y.)
Ex-KKK leader David Duke blames ‘Blitzer and the Jews’ for Trump’s troubles in wild rant https://t.co/38NfZYc7JC
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) June 8, 2016
re: #216 Kragar
Yes, because we all know that “Blitzer and the Jews” were acting as ventriloquists and making the Trump dummy say all of the sh*t he said about Judge Curiel and members of other minority groups. Duke and those like him are some of the worst kinds of cowards because they like doing their dirt behind the scenes and tend to get very upset when one of their own brings their dirty laundry out of the laundry room and hangs it on a clothesline in the front yard.
re: #174 Targetpractice
Figure what will be the real wake-up call is not the inevitable avalanche of remaining SD votes going to Clinton, but the few that Sanders still has saying “Screw this, I don’t want to be on the bad side of the boss” and changing their votes.
Merkely sort of said as much earlier: We have to be unified to take on Trump. And that unity is going to begin today as soon as the polls close,” Sen. Jeff Merkley, D-Ore., says on CNN.
Here’s something for Bros to keep in mind: There’s really nothing in the rules that requires or obligates the DNC to nominate Bernie in the event that an FBI indictment renders Hillary toxic. She could (and very likely would) release her pledged delegates to vote for anybody they wished, which would likely lead to a horse-trading session at the convention as potential candidates stepped forward and made their cases for the nomination. This is not a Mrs. America pageant, the runner-up does not automatically assume the nomination in the event that the winner cannot fulfill their duties.
majii, you cuss, but you always omit one letter.
It’s an endearing quality of yours!
Republican racist Unz keeps trading 10th place with that old tea-partying guy. But both are creeping up on another Republican, ninth place religious rightist Karen Roseberry.
Ah, the looney back bench of the Republican party…
… are struggling to overturn the looney front bench that run the joint.
re: #220 teleskiguy
My parents, especially my mom, always emphasized the importance off being a lady. She drove into my mind the phrase, “A lady just does not do and say certain things!” Even though she’s been gone for almost 17 years, I still hear her voice saying this and other things to me. I wish she and my dad had lived to see Obama elected POTUS.
Real-time allocated California Delegate count at Politico.
Hillary’s lead is back over 400k. I suspect it will grow as there are still lots of votes down here in the Southland to be counted.
re: #216 Kragar
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It’s a little-known fact that when Elton John and Bernie Taupin were writing what eventually became ‘Bennie and the Jets’, the working title was ‘Blitzer and the Jews’. But their A&R man got wind of it and told them in no uncertain terms that it wouldn’t work.
/Cliff Claven
re: #223 majii
My parents, especially my mom, always emphasized the importance off being a lady. She drove into my mind the phrase, “A lady just does not do and say certain things!” Even though she’s been gone for almost 17 years, I still hear her voice saying this and other things to me. I wish she and my dad had lived to see Obama elected POTUS.
My mother was appalled when I swore. But it didn’t stick because my language has become “saltier” than even in recent years.
Bros think that the DNC will be stuck with him if Hillary is indicted, that he’ll be all they have left. But that couldn’t be further from the truth. Free of their obligation to vote for Hillary on the first ballot, the delegates (pledged & super alike) could choose whoever they liked. If Biden chose at that moment to step in and make a bid for the nomination, so long as he could win over the majority of the at-large delegates, he’d be the nominee.
What could Bernie do at that point? It’s certainly not like he’s left himself any room to argue that the superdelegates should abide by the results of the primaries.
re: #224 Single-handed sailor
Real-time allocated California Delegate count at Politico.
Can’t help noticing the Democratic total is nearly twice the GOP total.
re: #50 bratwurst
I assume it got posted elsewhere already, but if you have not read the Politico piece on Sanders, take a few moments and do so.
Yeah……everyone needs to read that piece. What a massive shit-show.
re: #225 freetoken
Hillary’s lead is back over 400k. I suspect it will grow as there are still lots of votes down here in the Southland to be counted.
I love rolling over the maps. And I’m amazed that I’ve actually done work for clients in 25 different counties in CA.
Bernie is the competitor that refuses to leave the ring despite being pinned for a 3 count, the ref raising Hillary’s hand declaring her the winner, and awarding her the belt.
re: #223 majii
I wish she and my dad had lived to see Obama elected POTUS.
You saw it. Your kids saw it. All of your pupils saw it.
Let the good times roll!
re: #50 bratwurst
I assume it got posted elsewhere already, but if you have not read the Politico piece on Sanders, take a few moments and do so.
His minions who came forward with this absolutely did the right thing. The candidate himself needs to fully own his delusional bitterness.
I hate clicking Politico, but read the piece. Sander’s behavior is actually as bad as it was just snarkily joked about. Wow.
re: #233 teleskiguy
You’re right. I should focus on the good things I still have in my life. Thanks!
re: #232 GlutenFreeJesus
Bernie is the competitor that refuses to leave the ring despite being pinned for a 3 count, the ref raising Hillary’s hand declaring her the winner, and awarding her the belt.
We’ll call it a draw!re: #236 majii
I love you majii! You’re a teacher by trade. I love teachers. You should meet my dad! You guys would talk for freaking hours!
re: #239 teleskiguy
I do love to talk. Sometimes my daughter says I talk too much, but what does she know? I’m just a people person.
re: #240 majii
My pops has been a high school teacher since 1975 and he has no plans to retire. The man loves his job. And he’s good at it! Every year during second year American History he says the Civil War unit will be only two weeks. Every time it takes four or five weeks for my pops to get through his “two week” Civil War unit during second year American History. That’s probably his favorite part of his job, his imparting of severe knowledge of the American Civil War to kids.
re: #241 teleskiguy
My pops has been a high school teacher since 1975 and he has no plans to retire. The man loves his job. And he’s good at it! Every year during second year American History he says the Civil War unit will be only two weeks. Every time it takes four or five weeks for my pops to get through his “two week” Civil War unit during second year American History. That’s probably his favorite part of his job, his imparting of severe knowledge of the American Civil War to kids.
Does he teach AP US History?
re: #242 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Does he teach AP US History?
Indeed he does. Has since the early 90s if I’m not mistaken. Also AP Psychology.
re: #243 teleskiguy
Indeed he does. Has since the early 90s if I’m not mistaken. Also AP Psychology.
I loved that course in high school, though it took me a while to get the hang of writing those essays. Finally figured it out — after I took the exam, of course.
My APUSH teacher is a good friend of mine. Now he’s semi-retired and counsels high schools applying for colleges.
Drumpfskind got 7244 votes in all of San Francisco county, which was 61% of all the GOP votes in that county. That means almost 40% of the, albeit few, Republicans in SF still don’t want their presumptive nominee.
The Republican party has been almost completely extinguished in the 3rd largest city in the state, and one of the more iconic cities in America.
re: #242 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Does he teach AP US History?
I took my father’s AP History class my junior year in high school. That’s when I saw how good my pops is as a teacher. He’s a completely different person talking to this group of kids that numbered in the high 20s than he was at home, listening to loud music and watching weird shit on film and television.
My first day as a freshman in high school went down like this, for real. I rode the school bus to school, and right before I left the house my father told me very directly “I’m not *dad* in school, I’m Mr. Vogel. You’ll see.”
He’s Dr. Vogel these days.
In 2012, when Romney had the nomination locked up, the total Repbulican primary vote in San Diego county was around 184k, 153k for Romney.
Right now with 84% of the precincts reporting, Drumpfskind has 116k votes out of a total of 146k votes. When everything is done being counted the total votes this year for Republicans will possibly be less than in 2012, and that was a marker year for Republicans in this county, known to be among the most Republican of the populous counties for many years.
Statewide, though, Drumpfskind may end up with more votes this time than Romney did 4 years ago.
I don’t know what to draw from that. I suppose there are lots of bigots up in the middle-of-nowhere California (and California really is a big state).
If you look at all those counties in the middle of the state, Drumpskind does better there than in the average across the state. He’s doing just slightly better here in SD compared to the state-wide average.
Drumpfskind is proving more popular in Fresno, for example, than Romney was.
Let that sink in a bit.
I think Drumpfskind really tapped into the VDH-vibe there in the old white farmers in the big valley,
I find it a bit troubling that Drumpfskind will do basically the same as Romney statewide. I don’t know what that means, really. Maybe the remnant Republicans are the xenophobic-core of the party, the fluffy and pretty pin feathers having been scorched off this duck by now?
re: #246 teleskiguy
I took my father’s AP History class my junior year in high school. That’s when I saw how good my pops is as a teacher. He’s a completely different person talking to this group of kids that numbered in the high 20s than he was at home, listening to loud music and watching weird shit on film and television.
My first day as a freshman in high school went down like this, for real. I rode the school bus to school, and right before I left the house my father told me very directly “I’m not *dad* in school, I’m Mr. Vogel. You’ll see.”
He’s Dr. Vogel these days.
My son was in my physics classes. My daughter wanted to take it with the other physics teacher, but still came to me for help. Fortunately, both were excellent students, so there was never any question of favoritism because they were faculty brats.
The enormity of a woman winning the nomination as the presidential candidate for one of the two major parties is just starting to hit me.
I’m actually crying right now.
Congratulations, Hillary Rodham Clinton!
Votes keep coming in …. in the Senate primary, now the top 3 Republicans combined have fewer votes than the second place Democrat.
re: #250 freetoken
Votes keep coming in …. in the Senate primary, now the top 3 Republicans combined have fewer votes than the second place Democrat.
Prop 187’s legacy, a mistake the Republicans are now repeating nationwide with Trump’s candidacy.
7k more Drumpfskind votes came in here in SD … he’s now up to almost 124k. However, now 98% of the precincts have reported, so there are probably not many Drumpfskindanhangers left.
Finally.
CNN projects Hillary Clinton will win the California Democratic primary https://t.co/DkPyle0Wrv pic.twitter.com/w6Fo4JG2xG
— CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) June 8, 2016
Anyway, here in SD, Drumpfskind is now up to 78.5% of the Republican votes.
Which is noticeably higher than statewide. I would find this worrisome if it weren’t for the fact that total votes for Republicans this year in SD appear to be less than 4 years ago.
This goes along with my proposition that Drumpfskind is winnowing the Republicans and eventually, if they keep this is for another couple of election cycles, all that will be left will be the xenophobic hate-filled core (and the dementia-sufferers who are still on the voting rolls.)
Yesterday I uprooted the Sanders sign from my yard, as it is apparent that the person I supported is not going to win the primaries. I am now all in for Hillary Clinton.
Today, my Republican neighbour (well, my whole town is Republicans) came over to mow my lawn. (He has been doing that for me since my elbow went south with bursitis and I cannot push my lawn mower. He is underemployed so he appreciates the pay, as I pay way more than anyone else to have my lawn mowed.)
He noticed the Sanders sign was gone (as he has to remove it when he mows then replace it). He asked me what gives?
I simply informed him my candidate ran a pretty good fight, but he lost. There was no point in keeping the sign in my yard any longer. (It was the only political sign in town after the woman supporting Donald Trump decided she can no longer support him.)
He asked me what I would do now. I told him I would support our nominee Hillary Clinton. because I don’t want a fascist talking yam for President. (I like that phrase fascist talking yam.)
His own candidate he supported, Senator Ted Cruz, was Cruzified by Donald Trump in our state Republican primary; he has decided not to vote this year.
A lot of the people in my town seem to be disillusioned by Mr. Trump as their party’s candidate, and a fair number have said they won’t vote. (When the mail ballots come for the General Election that might not be true, but the disappointment in the GOP’s candidate here is quite real.) Since Senator Sasse is popular here and he refuses to endorse Mr. Trump (and has spoken out quite forcefully against him), they are sort of torn between the senator’s position and the party’s position.
In the meantime, I need to see about a Hillary Clinton yard sign.
Reading the BBC article about Rocky De La Fuente, I learn that the Spanish nickname for Trump is “pelos del elote” (corn hair).
God, Sanders is such a piece of shit:
Sanders and aides laugh at the idea that he’s damaging the party and hurting Clinton. They think they don’t get enough gratitude for how much they held back, from not targeting more Democratic members of the House and Senate who opposed him to not making more of an issue out of Clinton’s email server investigation and Bill Clinton’s sex scandals, all of which they discussed as possible lines of attack in the fall. They blame Clinton going after him on gun control for goading him into letting loose on her Goldman Sachs speeches.
[…]
“They would be very smart to understand that the best way to approach Bernie is not to try to push him around,” Devine said. “It’s much better if they try to cooperate with him and find common ground. They should be mindful of the fact that the people he’s brought into this process are new to it and they will be very suspicious of any effort to push him around.”
WHY DO YOU KEEP MAKING ME HIT YOU?!?!?!?!
Hillary brings up a legitimate policy issue and Sanders’ only response is to talk about paid speeches?
re: #255 Anymouse
I expect a very deep buyer’s remorse to set in over Drumpfskind, among the Republican party in general.
But what can I say … they built that.
Well, you knew this was coming:
Trump welcomes Sanders supporters ‘left out in the cold’
Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump offered a welcome to Democratic candidate Bernie Sanders’s supporters in a speech delivered a day after The Associated Press reported Hillary Clinton clinched the Democratic presidential nod.
“To all those Bernie Sanders voters who have been left out in the cold by a rigged system of superdelegates, we welcome you with open arms,” Trump said during his speech, which struck an uncharacteristically conciliatory tone after high tensions from within his own party this week.
re: #255 Anymouse
The general election will be very interesting to watch. If Republicans stay home because they don’t want to vote for Trump, that means they also won’t be voting for state and local races. And if they do force themselves to the polls, they may only vote for state and local races, and leave the presidential choices alone.
Trump has been temporarily corralled by his handlers, with a prepared speech and all, but once he gets loose, he’ll flap his damn mouth again and further sink his chances of election. His only reliable support now comes from the white nativist/supremacists, who fortunately are still a minority. What HRC and the Dems need to do to convince the fence-sitters that voting for Trump would lead to a national disaster.
re: #88 Tigger2
In Imperial County, California, highest Hispanic % in the state, Clinton is leading 74-24%
They should recuse themselves from the election, they are Mexicans, and Trump is building a wall!!!
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re: #259 Shiplord Kirel
Well, you knew this was coming:
And the overwhelming majority of us who are Sanders supporters would never vote for a fascist talking yam.
Like the PUMA nonsense in 2008 (I was a Clinton supporter then but could not vote due to Oklahoma registration law), the overwhelming majority of Senator Sanders’s supporters will come round.
Senator Sanders also said he would support the eventual nominee; while he has every right to take his delegates to the convention, he would do more to advance his political agenda by fighting for it within the party, not by fighting the party itself.
I will be very disappointed in the person I supported if he does not come around and push for what he believes in without trying to tear the party up.
(On the other hand, it would appear a lot of the so-called “Bernie bros” posting things on Disqus or Facebook seem to have brand new account, or when they do not, are really Trump supporters trying to “rodent copulate” the Democrats.)
Though my county went for Sanders in the Democratic caucus, no one here has said anything about sitting out the election, voting for Donald Trump or Dr. Jill Stein, or any of that nonsense; the Democrats here are all in now for Hillary Clinton. (Trump will likely take my county because Democrats are an endangered species here, but no noise about “berning the house down.”)
Car Thief is winning his district, but with only 51.1% of the vote.
Some libertarian pot-head took a bit less than 4% of the vote in that district, leaving the Dem with a bit less than 45%.
Here’s how Car Thief did in previous primaries:
2014: 61.9%
2012: 61.6%
That’s pretty significant change.
I think Car Thief’s refusal to distance himself from Drumpfskind could cost him the election.
Even Duncan the Lesser has seen his share reduced.
While he’s doing better than Car Thief, with 57%, in the previous primary he did 70%.
re: #263 freetoken
Car Thief is winning his district, but with only 51.1% of the vote.
Some libertarian pot-head took a bit less than 4% of the vote in that district, leaving the Dem with a bit less than 45%.
Here’s how Car Thief did in previous primaries:
2014: 61.9%
2012: 61.6%
That’s pretty significant change.
I think Car Thief’s refusal to distance himself from Drumpfskind could cost him the election.
How did Californians swallow that Prop 187 nonsense for a jungle primary in the first place? (It would appear that the proposition will have the effect this election of sweeping more Republicans off the ballot but still: Political parties are private clubs and they should be allowed to select their own candidates. Jungle primaries to me seem deeply undemocratic.)
re: #260 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Trump cannot even prevent himself from flapping his mouth between teleprompter points. Last night’s Trump speech was surreal.
re: #265 Anymouse
I don’t really know what to make of it all.
While political parties are private clubs, they are special private clubs and treated a bit differently than other associations.
That is why they can’t turn down someone who wants to become a member.
And if the party can’t discipline itself to keep more than one of their own off a primary ballot, then they reap what the lack of their discipline has sown.
I think it is hurting “conservatives” more than others because they are so big into rigid ideology and each jot and tittle separates them into ever finer camps.
Taking credit for young people getting more liberal is like taking credit for continental drift. pic.twitter.com/Xo2yLruy0F
— Putain Démocratique (@goddamnedfrank) June 8, 2016
re: #268 goddamnedfrank
Taking credit for young people getting more liberal is like taking credit for continental drift.
time to go into salvage mode…
re: #270 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
time to go into salvage mode…
We built the Ring of Fire!
Bernie Sanders preparing to release his secret army of Juggalos upon an insufficiently adoring nation.
— Putain Démocratique (@goddamnedfrank) June 8, 2016
Terrifying if true.
Wonkette is trying to break Disqus with its liveblog of the primaries. Over 3,300 comments and still going, with the usual amount of snark over there in the comments (which aren’t allowed).
Liveblogging Some Lady Named Hillary Making Speech about How She Won or Something
I mean, people clearly wanted to see him, but in the end the GOTV effort just wasn’t there. So future populists take note and marry the two.
— Putain Démocratique (@goddamnedfrank) June 8, 2016
He didn’t restrict rallies to reg voters & their kids though bc he wanted huge crowds to boost narrative. Except the narrative doesn’t vote.
— Putain Démocratique (@goddamnedfrank) June 8, 2016
Please remember, people. Registering for a particular party does not mean that you actively support them or are a member, it means that you have chosen to vote in their primary (if it is a closed state)
re: #274 goddamnedfrank
I worked on Senator Sanders’s GOTV here in Nebraska. We were pretty organised here.
That said, the campaign had difficulty focusing on the important points of winning an election.
I will now shift to trying to GOTV for Mrs. Clinton.
(That said, I got a call from the DNCC asking if I would kick in some bucks. I asked them who they were running against my representative, Adrian Smith, R-NE3. They put me on hold, then came back and said “no one.” I politely declined and told them I will give my money directly to Democratic candidates then. Before this election, I have never given money to any candidate - being poor and all. That said, the damn election is too important to not give every effort I can give. I wish the Clinton campaign would resurrect and update the old Johnson adverts against Barry Goldwater.)
All the SD precincts are in and Drumpfskind has 124k votes. Late arriving mail ballots will be counted over several days so that amount may go up by a little bit.
This means that Drumpfskind didn’t get close to what Romney got 4 years ago in this county.
The county population is … well, I don’t know how it has changed over 4 years. Part of that is the military, moving people in and out. Still, the county has probably 3.3 million residents or so.
re: #277 freetoken
All the SD precincts are in and Drumpfskind has 124k votes. Late arriving mail ballots will be counted over several days so that amount may go up by a little bit.
This means that Drumpfskind didn’t get close to what Romney got 4 years ago in this county.
The county population is … well, I don’t know how it has changed over 4 years. Part of that is the military, moving people in and out. Still, the county has probably 3.3 million residents or so.
Wow, that’s a big county. More than the number of people in my whole state. My county has about 3,000 people.
HILLARY OF HOUSE CLINTON, FIRST OF HER NAME, LADY REGNANT OF THE DEMOCRATS, MOTHER OF CHELSEA, BREAKER OF GLASS CEILINGS, THE UNBERNED
— Rebecca Cohen (@GynoStar) June 8, 2016
In the 2012 primary, Romney received 188,292 votes by the final count. I suspect that when Drumpfskind’s votes are all counted he will fall far short of that.
re: #276 Anymouse
I worked on Senator Sanders’s GOTV here in Nebraska. We were pretty organised here.
Yeah Bernie definitely did well in caucuses because he had a core of highly motivated people willing to attend. Unfortunately for him though his whole spiel about how he does better when more people vote just didn’t hold true, after racial diversity the strongest correlation with his losses is sheer number of participants. It’s easy to overwhelm caucuses, much harder to get young people en masse to the polls. And that’s what kills me about the look at my giant rallies strategy, all those people together in one place and no real concerted effort being made to make sure they actually register and are in compliance with all local election rules.
re: #276 Anymouse
I worked on Senator Sanders’s GOTV here in Nebraska. We were pretty organised here.
That said, the campaign had difficulty focusing on the important points of winning an election.
I will now shift to trying to GOTV for Mrs. Clinton.
(That said, I got a call from the DNCC asking if I would kick in some bucks. I asked them who they were running against my representative, Adrian Smith, R-NE3. They put me on hold, then came back and said “no one.” I politely declined and told them I will give my money directly to Democratic candidates then. Before this election, I have never given money to any candidate - being poor and all. That said, the damn election is too important to not give every effort I can give. I wish the Clinton campaign would resurrect and update the old Johnson adverts against Barry Goldwater.)
“Daisy”
“KKK for Goldwater”
Listening to Secretary Clinton’s victory speech now. She was quite magnanimous toward Senator Sanders, noting his long service toward progressive and liberal causes, and that his campaign with its vigorous debate within the Democratic Party strengthened the party, not weakened it.
She also noted Senator Sanders’s work to bring many young people to the party (I am an oldz) is a benefit, and that Mr. Sander’s long service to progressive causes will benefit the nation in the future.
She also stated directly: Donald Trump is temperamentally unfit to be President. He is not trying to wall off Mexico, he is trying to wall of Americans from each other.
This is a powerful speech.
re: #266 Ming5000
Trump cannot even prevent himself from flapping his mouth between teleprompter points. Last night’s Trump speech was surreal.
I can’t watch or listen to him now. His facial expressions and voice repulse me.
re: #279 goddamnedfrank
P.S. I like that tweet because it’s so dorky.
In 2012, the 4 Republican candidates received a total of 196,797 votes in San Diego county in the primary.
This year the GOP candidates got a total of 158,414 votes, all the precincts reporting.
Now there will be for sure mail ballots still to be counted so that total will go up.
It will be interesting to see how close this year gets to 2012.
Note that San Diego county used to be the most populous Republican county in California. With Obama the county has flipped to the Dems.
Statewide in 2012 the 4 Republicans had a total of 1,623,448 primary votes. Currently the Republicans this year are sitting at 1,517,032 with 93.5% of the precincts reporting. So by the time all the precincts are in, and then all the late mail ballots are counted, there will likely be more Republican votes statewide this year than in 2012.
I don’t know what to make of this. Both Kasich and Cruz got more protest votes than Gingrich did 4 years ago. Even Ben Carson has nearly as many votes as Gingrich got.
Whether these Republicans will all vote for Drumpfskind in November I do not know. Regardless, Hillary will carry California.
But I wonder about the rest of the country, all those swing states.
Could Drumpfskind actually pull in more votes than Romney did in 2012?
He’ll have to convert the Cruz/Kasich/Carson supporters.
Uh oh https://t.co/pA9LQhInkK
— Volguus Zildrohar (@eclecticbrotha) June 8, 2016
Q. What requires a 24 hour waiting period on the Internet?
A. Something that begins with K and ends with ickstarter.
See you tomorrow.— Al Giordano (@AlGiordano) June 8, 2016
Hope this means what I think it means.
re: #281 goddamnedfrank
…all those people together in one place and no real concerted effort being made to make sure they actually register and are in compliance with all local election rules.
…to use a musical analogy: they wanna sit in on the session but have spent little or no time at home practicing their chops.
Daymn! As I continue to listen to Hillary Clinton’s speech, I can only come to one conclusion.
She is going to have Donald Trump for breakfast. He will be burnt toast by the time she is done with him.
She used an argument that I used in an op-ed to the local newspaper last year when the conservatives here were complaining about the Obergefell case: That the entire history of the Constitution (minus the XVIII Amendment) has always been about expanding liberties, not restricting them.
re: #287 freetoken
Whoops… I left off the Ron Paul and Santorum voters.
They (and 3 very, very minor candidates) got a total of 301,522 votes in the 2012 primary. Add that to the previous total for 4 Republicans gets us to 1,924,970 total GOP votes in the 2012 Presidential primary.
Currently the Republicans are sitting at 1,530,632 with 95.5% of the precincts counted.
So unless there is a very large number of late mail ballots, the Republicans will not come close to what they did in 2012. And remember that then Romney had the nomination well locked up ahead of time.
re: #290 Anymouse
Daymn! As I continue to listen to Hillary Clinton’s speech, I can only come to one conclusion.
She is going to have Donald Trump for breakfast. He will be burnt toast by the time she is done with him.
And that’s before you factor in the Obamas, Bidens, and Elizabeth Warren all going hard to bat for her. It’s been a long time since we had a same party term limited popular President able to campaign effectively for their successor.
Meanwhile on the other side everyone is either running away from Trump or trying to limit their exposure with tepid, qualified endorsements. The odds that he ends up with an equally unhinged running mate are good.
re: #293 goddamnedfrank
And that’s before you factor in the Obamas, Bidens, and Elizabeth Warren all going hard to bat for her. It’s been a long time since we had a same party term limited popular President able to campaign effectively for their successor.
Meanwhile on the other side everyone is either running away from Trump or trying to limit their exposure with tepid, qualified endorsements. The odds that he ends up with an equally unhinged running mate are good.
Please Donald, pick Sarah Palin.
Clinton had a great day yesterday, and I no longer have to listen to pundits talk about how her campaign will be crippled by Sanders big California win. Life is good.
re: #295 Big Beautiful Door
Clinton had a great day yesterday, and I no longer have to listen to pundits talk about how her campaign will be crippled by Sanders big California win. Life is good.
I could admire Sanders supporters’ attitude of “It ain’t over ‘til it’s over” but I grew tired of their whining when things did not go their way.
Note that in 2008 there were many more votes in the Democratic primary than this year. However, that primary was very early, so I am not sure how comparable that can be to this year.
re: #295 Big Beautiful Door
Clinton had a great day yesterday, and I no longer have to listen to pundits talk about how her campaign will be crippled by Sanders big California win. Life is good.
I was a strong Sanders supporter. Now that the Democratic voters have spoken (Hillary Clinton took more states and more votes), I want Mr. Sanders to do the right thing and support our nominee.
Mr. Sanders cannot advance any part of his agenda if he stands on the outside screaming get off my lawn.
It is my belief that Senator Sanders will come round. I would hate to be a political candidate and see that for which I was campaigning defeated. It must be hard. (Fortunately, in my little local elections I haven’t had to face that.)
There is no way any part of Senator Sanders’s agenda could possibly be adopted under a Donald Trump presidency (shudder), or with a majority Republican Congress. Senator Sanders has been a politician for a long time, he must know the calculus.
I am not sorry I backed Senator Sanders in the primaries, but if he decides to “bern down the house” I will be sorry. It is my firm belief, however, that he will accept the will of Democratic Party voters and back our new candidate for President.
re: #298 Anymouse
I am not sorry I backed Senator Sanders in the primaries, but if he decides to “bern down the house” I will be sorry. It is my firm belief, however, that he will accept the will of Democratic Party voters and back our new candidate for President.
Except that he was not a Democrat until he decided to use their party to promote his Presidential campaign…
So, National Racists Online are now featuring an article by Ben Shapiro.
Figures.
In the same where they whine about Ryan giving up his fight against Trump, they push a piece by one of the biggest hate-trolls on the internet.
Via:
Sad! https://t.co/103PFRKaz2 pic.twitter.com/NzKNNfzSJj
— Scott Lincicome (@scottlincicome) June 8, 2016
This wouldn’t be a problem for Trump if his $10 billion personal fortune weren’t fake. https://t.co/dGufp8qL4v
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) June 8, 2016
And the Shapiro piece could have been written by PaleoPat or by Derbyshire. It’s just the same paleo-crap.
re: #284 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
I know what you mean, but this one is worth taking a peek at.
He studiously and laboriously reads a point from the teleprompter, and then looks at the crowd and does his usual ad libs Trumpslaining what he meant and how great it was gonna be. Then, he has to concentrate to find the teleprompter again with his beady eyes scanning and then locking on the next point, which he starts to read.
And the hostages standing behind him…. a bonus.
re: #299 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
Except that he was not a Democrat until he decided to use their party to promote his Presidential campaign…
But has voted with the Democratic Party consistently, and the Democrats put him in as the leader of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee (a position which gets no PAC money at all so no one wants it, but Senator Sanders did because he actually cares about veterans).
The Democratic Party did not have to allow Senator Sanders to run at all; they did.
The fact remains this country is largely a two-party system for its entire history; Senator Sanders could not possibly win as an independent or third-party candidate.
That said, I suspect there was a little calculus going on in the DNC (but I am not a pundit nor do I play one on TV): If Hillary Clinton is our nominee unopposed, it looks entirely like a coronation and no one will want to cover the Democratic campaign.
On the other hand, if Senator Sanders is allowed to run against Hillary Clinton (since Joe Biden bowed out and Martin O’Malley was a non-starter), it allows us to get our ideas out in front of the public much more effectively.
In her victory speech, Hillary Clinton congratulated Bernie Sanders on running an incredible and hard-fought campaign; she had no objection herself to Mr. Sanders running.
re: #203 Blind Frog Belly White
So…
Is that dress gold and black? Or white and blue?
It’s Trump. Of course it’s gold.
re: #298 Anymouse
I was a strong Sanders supporter. Now that the Democratic voters have spoken (Hillary Clinton took more states and more votes), I want Mr. Sanders to do the right thing and support our nominee.
Mr. Sanders cannot advance any part of his agenda if he stands on the outside screaming get off my lawn.
It is my belief that Senator Sanders will come round. I would hate to be a political candidate and see that for which I was campaigning defeated. It must be hard. (Fortunately, in my little local elections I haven’t had to face that.)
There is no way any part of Senator Sanders’s agenda could possibly be adopted under a Donald Trump presidency (shudder), or with a majority Republican Congress. Senator Sanders has been a politician for a long time, he must know the calculus.
I am not sorry I backed Senator Sanders in the primaries, but if he decides to “bern down the house” I will be sorry. It is my firm belief, however, that he will accept the will of Democratic Party voters and back our new candidate for President.
I agree with you, and disagree with those who think Sanders is going to try to wreck Hillary’s chances. It was perfectly rational for him to continue campaigning hard, and he had to maintain the pretense that he could somehow win the nomination in order to have any chance of winning in California, which many polls showed was close. He won’t immediately concede, because he wants to bargain with Clinton for some concessions, but I am confident that Bernie is a rational actor, and that he will endorse Clinton and deliver a barn burner of an anti-Trump speech at the Convention.
re: #306 Archangelus
Which is…?
Giordano has recently been talking about contesting Sanders’ senate seat. He might be setting up a warchest of some kind.
re: #307 Big Beautiful Door
I agree with you, and disagree with those you think Sanders is going to try to wreck Hillary’s chances. It was perfectly rational for him to continue campaigning hard, and he had to maintain the pretense that he could somehow win the nomination in order to have any chance of winning in California, which many polls showed was close. He won’t immediately concede, because he wants to bargain with Clinton for some concessions, but I am confident that Bernie is a rational actor, and that he will endorse Clinton and deliver a barn burner of an anti-Trump speech at the Convention.
Sanders is certainly far more rational than Trump (or Cruz, or Huckabee, or the rest of the so-called deep bench of the GOP). I cannot imagine Senator Sanders not opposing Donald Trump with every fibre of his being.
re: #308 Alyosha
Giordano has recently been talking about contesting Sanders’ senate seat. He might be setting up a warchest of some kind.
Oh! Excellent if that is what he’s planning in that case…
I don’t trust this Giordano guy. He lied about Berniebots deleting his wiki page. There has to be a more responsible challenger than some twitter person (and a marginal journalist).
re: #307 Big Beautiful Door
I am confident that Bernie is a rational actor,
Did you read the politico piece?
Bernie sounds quite delusional. In particularly this bit:
Sanders and aides laugh at the idea that he’s damaging the party and hurting Clinton. They think they don’t get enough gratitude for how much they held back, from not targeting more Democratic members of the House and Senate who opposed him to not making more of an issue out of Clinton’s email server investigation and Bill Clinton’s sex scandals, all of which they discussed as possible lines of attack in the fall. They blame Clinton going after him on gun control for goading him into letting loose on her Goldman Sachs speeches.
“If they hadn’t started at it by really going hard at him on guns, raising a series of issues against him, that really was what led to him being much, much more aggressive than he otherwise would have been,”
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“They would be very smart to understand that the best way to approach Bernie is not to try to push him around,” Devine said. “It’s much better if they try to cooperate with him and find common ground. They should be mindful of the fact that the people he’s brought into this process are new to it and they will be very suspicious of any effort to push him around.”
That’s not the behaviour of a candidate to be the presidential candidate of a party; that’s the behaviour of a thug who demands that people give him the ‘respect’ that he ‘deserves’ otherwise he’ll take his anger out on them.
re: #304 Anymouse
That said, I suspect there was a little calculus going on in the DNC (but I am not a pundit nor do I play one on TV): If Hillary Clinton is our nominee unopposed, it looks entirely like a coronation and no one will want to cover the Democratic campaign.
On the other hand, if Senator Sanders is allowed to run against Hillary Clinton (since Joe Biden bowed out and Martin O’Malley was a non-starter), it allows us to get our ideas out in front of the public much more effectively.
Had she not had a serious opponent, we would not have heard much about her in the news at all.
re: #312 Danack
Did you read the politico piece?
Bernie sounds quite delusional. In particularly this bit:
That’s not the behaviour of a candidate to be the presidential candidate of a party; that’s the behaviour of a thug who demands that people give him the ‘respect’ that he ‘deserves’ otherwise he’ll take his anger out on them.
To me that doesn’t seem irrational; Bernie did have a solid second place finish and does deserve some respect, and I expect he will get it. He also said some rational stuff last night:
His speech didn’t contain any criticism of Clinton, and emphasized the importance of defeating Donald Trump. “We will not allow right-wing Republicans to control our government. And that is especially true with Donald Trump as the Republican candidate,” he said.
re: #296 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
I could admire Sanders supporters’ attitude of “It ain’t over ‘til it’s over” but I grew tired of their whining when things did not go their way.
I didn’t whine.
One is either a supporter of the will of the voters or no. The will of the Democratic Party’s voters is Hillary Clinton by a huge margin.
Of Hillary Clinton’s mention of “the glass ceiling,” both candidates were actually poised to break that.
Clinton stood to break the glass ceiling of a major party nominating a woman for the first time, and Sanders stood to do the same nominating a Jew for the first time.
I think that is indicative of which party actually has “the big tent.”
Senator Harry Reid came out yesterday and said he could see the Democratic Party nominating a woman for Vice President. He pointed out that men have run the country for 240 years, its long past time for some equality here.
I don’t know who Mrs. Clinton will pick for Vice President, the Democratic Party has a number of good choices, both women and men. The idea that keeps getting floated is Senator Warren should be her VP pick, but Senator Warren has already said she doesn’t want to be President. (It would seem to me that if a potential candidate doesn’t want to be President, then putting that person in position where they could become President doesn’t make a bunch of sense.)
Almost done counting…. 99.5% precincts in … and Hillary is just shy of the 2 million mark at 1,933,271.
re: #312 Danack
Did you read the politico piece?
I don’t put a whole lot of stock in Politico. I did read the piece. I wasn’t much impressed.
Drumpfskind is at 1,171,544, far short of what Romney did 4 years ago.
The Republicans were humiliated in the US Senate race.
Compared to 2010 when Fiorina ran, and she got 1.3 million, and Devore and Campbell and the rest added another million, for almost 2.3 million Republican votes for their Senate candidates.
This year they’re down around 50%.
The new system has just knocked the party down the stairs and out onto the curb.
Note the Dem vote total this year is significantly higher than in 2010, but given that Boxer was the incumbent there wasn’t really much of a contest save for Mickey Kaus’ folly.
EVERYBODY GETS BEES! https://t.co/qU5Fp84TJu pic.twitter.com/DwYXpD40N2
— Alistair Coleman (@alistaircoleman) June 8, 2016
Best gif ever.
BEES!
Interesting. I got an E-mail (which was shuffled to my junk folder but I checked it out and seems legit) from Socialist Alternative (Kshama Sawant’s party in Seattle).
The want to talk to me since I am an elected official (in one of the smallest towns in my very red state) and a member of the Democratic Socialists of America (not a political party). As for my party affiliation, I am a Democrat.
I am weighing whether or not I should call them to find out what they want of me. (My whole town already knows I am a socialist, but reëlected me anyway. Such a call might be interesting, but I don’t think I would be dropping my Democratic Party affiliation for a party which does not have a presence in Nebraska.)
The ultimate index of Republican decline: the Republicans have fewer votes cast in their Presidential Primary than the Democrats (about 227,000 to 191,000) in… ORANGE COUNTY.
re: #322 Brian J.
The ultimate index of Republican decline: the Republicans have fewer votes cast in their Presidential Primary than the Democrats (about 227,000 to 191,000) in… ORANGE COUNTY.
Stick a fork in the GOP in California. Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of people.
re: #303 Ming5000
I know what you mean, but this one is worth taking a peek at.
He studiously and laboriously reads a point from the teleprompter, and then looks at the crowd and does his usual ad libs Trumpslaining what he meant and how great it was gonna be. Then, he has to concentrate to find the teleprompter again with his beady eyes scanning and then locking on the next point, which he starts to read.And the hostages standing behind him…. a bonus.
So, a little like the Romneybot.
re: #324 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
So, a little like the Romneybot.
I almost wonder if Mr. Trump might have some sort of medical problem (despite the claim of his “physician” he is the healthiest candidate to ever run for the Presidency).
I don’t wish ill on anyone (even Mr. Trump). If there is a problem there, he should have it looked in to (but I suspect since Mr. Trump’s entire persona is built on “winning” and such, he won’t).
So watching MorningJoe for the first time since forever - why has he suddenly turned against Trump? Only thing I can think of is a rat leaving a sinking ship.
re: #321 Anymouse
Interesting. I got an E-mail (which was shuffled to my junk folder but I checked it out and seems legit) from Socialist Alternative (Kshama Sawant’s party in Seattle).
The want to talk to me since I am an elected official (in one of the smallest towns in my very red state) and a member of the Democratic Socialists of America (not a political party). As for my party affiliation, I am a Democrat.
I am weighing whether or not I should call them to find out what they want of me. (My whole town already knows I am a socialist, but reëlected me anyway. Such a call might be interesting, but I don’t think I would be dropping my Democratic Party affiliation for a party which does not have a presence in Nebraska.)
I think they mean for you to be The Presence in Nebraska.
An Irishman’s Letter Home—
Dear Seamus,
Do ye remember how they told us the streets here in Amerikay are paved with gold?
Well, they’re not. In fact, they’re not paved at all, me boyo. In fact, ‘tis us they plan to pave them. Stay home.
Your brother,
Sean
re: #322 Brian J.
The ultimate index of Republican decline: the Republicans have fewer votes cast in their Presidential Primary than the Democrats (about 227,000 to 191,000) in… ORANGE COUNTY.
As a lifelong democrat who was born and raised in Orange County, allow me to just say WOW!
Oh, and also:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!
* Laughs so hard he falls off his chair straight to the floor, continues laughing *
re: #326 fern01
So watching MorningJoe for the first time since forever - why has he suddenly turned against Trump? Only thing I can think of is a rat leaving a sinking ship.
Trump is still good for ratings, whether he is being trashed or coddled. DT is going to really be hurting when other newscasters figure that out.
Morning Joe is frothing with faux outrage over Donald Trump. He has spent the last 12 months kissing Trump’s ass. Too little, too late.
re: #322 Brian J.
I think comparing to the 2012 election is the best gauge of what has changed. In that year, in Orange county, Romney, the presumptive nominee before the primary, got 183,293 votes. The other GOP candidates got around 38k votes.
So this year the Republicans are down around 10% in Orange county.
This lack of enthusiasm for Drumpfskind will not be of consequence to the Presidential election here, though I think we could see some Republican Congressmen get the axe.
re: #327 Decatur Deb
I think they mean for you to be The Presence in Nebraska.
I suspect that would change if they talked to me.
If they are looking for someone respectable, that ain’t me. /s
There is a self-playing video ad that keeps looping me to the top of the page.
re: #327 Decatur Deb
I think they mean for you to be The Presence in Nebraska.
I really think Socialist Alternative doesn’t want an erotic Romance editor for a spokesperson.
I am tempted to give them a call, just to hear what they have to say.
re: #332 Anymouse
I suspect that would change if they talked to me.
If they are looking for someone respectable, that ain’t me. /s
If they’re looking for respectable, they’re not our kind of socialists.
re: #334 Anymouse
I really think Socialist Alternative doesn’t want an erotic Romance editor for a spokesperson.
I am tempted to give them a call, just to hear what they have to say.
She got elected. Can’t be too pure and respectable… O_o
re: #335 Decatur Deb
If they’re looking for respectable, they’re not our kind of socialists.
I think I got reëlected because I am not respectable. /s
The outgoing Republican chairman of the village board endorsed me for reëlection because he said I was “the least controversial candidate.” (There were five candidates in an at-large election for one seat, I eked out a victory over the gun shop owner by four votes. At Monday’s village board meeting, the board voted to put the gun shop owner in as a replacement for a vacant seat since he came in second in the election.)
re: #329 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
Trump is still good for ratings, whether he is being trashed or coddled. DT is going to really be hurting when other newscasters figure that out.
Agreed - the NYT seems to have also discovered this could be a ratings win. Seems the media is beginning to realise Benghazi! and emails have no ratings value at all.
I always thought Trump would be the easiest of the wannabes for Hillary to beat. First time I’m thinking the media might be helping her. Will have to wait and see if that continues.
re: #337 Anymouse
I think I got reëlected because I am not respectable. /s
The outgoing Republican chairman of the village board endorsed me for reëlection because he said I was “the least controversial candidate.” (There were five candidates in an at-large election for one seat, I eked out a victory over the gun shop owner by four votes. At Monday’s village board meeting, the board voted to put the gun shop owner in as a replacement for a vacant seat since he came in second in the election.)
Sounds like they need someone sane enough to work the lightswitch.
re: #339 Decatur Deb
Sounds like they need someone sane enough to work the lightswitch.
Well, of the board members, I live closest to the tornado siren. In the event the automated system fails to fire off the siren, I have to go and push the manual button. The siren only sounds as long as you hold the button, so there I would be standing out in hail or rain with an incoming tornado holding a button down… .
They might also be trying to get rid of me. /s
re: #336 William Lewis
She got elected. Can’t be too pure and respectable… O_o
Barely:
In 2013, Seattle Central Community College and Seattle University part-time economics professor Kshama Sawant was elected to the Seattle City Council from Position 2 as a candidate for Socialist Alternative. She had previously won 35% of the vote in the August primary election and advanced into the general election against incumbent Richard Conlin.[32] On November 15, 2013, Conlin conceded to Sawant after late returns showed him down by 1,640 votes or approximately 1% of the vote.[33][34] This made Sawant the first socialist to win a city-wide election in Seattle since the communist supporter Anna Louise Strong was elected to the School Board in 1916.[35]
Sawant had previously run for election as the Socialist Alternative candidate in the 43rd district of the Washington House of Representatives against incumbent Democrat Frank Chopp, in 2012.[36][37] Sawant advanced past the primaries for Position 2 while also advancing in Position 1 where she was on the ballot challenging Jamie Pedersen. The Sawant campaign won a subsequent court battle against the Secretary of State for the right to list her party preference on the ballot in the elections. Sawant was endorsed by the Local 587 of the Amalgamated Transit Union,[38] and the alternative newspaper, The Stranger.[39] She received over 20,000 votes, or 28.62%.[40]
Sawant’s platform included a minimum wage increase to US$15/hour, rent control, and taxes on higher-income individuals.[32]
This is their only elected position in the United States.
re: #325 Anymouse
I almost wonder if Mr. Trump might have some sort of medical problem (despite the claim of his “physician” he is the healthiest candidate to ever run for the Presidency).
I don’t wish ill on anyone (even Mr. Trump). If there is a problem there, he should have it looked in to (but I suspect since Mr. Trump’s entire persona is built on “winning” and such, he won’t).
Trump’s problem is that he is out of his element. He’s accustomed to being in charge, being the wheeler-dealer, and I doubt he would trust anyone besides his immediate family to manage his business enterprises. But politics is not like running a business, and for a greenhorn it requires deference to others more expert in politicking. Forcing The Donald to read prepared remarks from a TelePrompTer or typed transcript runs totally against his way of doing things,so it’s no wonder he looks and acts lost. Someone in an earlier thread (I forget who now) insists that Trump is a consummate actor, and he can adopt whatever persona he needs to suit the occasion. That’s wrong, as anyone who has followed Trump’s career can attest. He is not an actor. He is The Donald being The Donald; he knows no other role. Instead of doing improv, now he has read from a script that someone else has written, and he can’t do it convincingly. A good actor can turn someone else’s words into his or her own. Trump fails at that.
I’m not sure he has a physical ailment, aside from being in his 60s, but his mental processes may not be as spry as they once were. IOW, he can’t adapt quickly enough to suit new circumstances.
FTM, Bernie has a similar problem. He can’t understand that his #1 cause is not one that most Americans share. They’ve got other things on their minds besides Wall Street and the 1%.
re: #340 Anymouse
Well, of the board members, I live closest to the tornado siren. In the event the automated system fails to fire off the siren, I have to go and push the manual button.
They might also be trying to get rid of me. /s
Totally different setting, but it still reminds of Giovannino Guareschi’s Don Camillo books.
re: #340 Anymouse
Well, of the board members, I live closest to the tornado siren. In the event the automated system fails to fire off the siren, I have to go and push the manual button.
They might also be trying to get rid of me. /s
So, you’re part of the Night’s Watch, then. First line of defense, and all that.
re: #344 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
So, you’re part of the Night’s Watch, then. First line of defense, and all that.
Someone’s gotta do it … sense of duty to the community and all.
The village board voted to install a louder siren to cover the rural area around the incorporated part of the city, but it still doesn’t get rid of the damn button.
I would rather if they want me to do the button thing if the automated system fails to put the button in my house, not three blocks from my tornado cellar.
re: #345 Anymouse
Someone’s gotta do it … sense of duty to the community and all.
The village board voted to install a louder siren to cover the rural area around the incorporated part of the city, but it still doesn’t get rid of the damn button.
I would rather if they want me to do the button thing if the automated system fails to put the button in my house, not three blocks from my tornado cellar.
Let’s hope you never need to do it.
re: #345 Anymouse
Someone’s gotta do it … sense of duty to the community and all.
The village board voted to install a louder siren to cover the rural area around the incorporated part of the city, but it still doesn’t get rid of the damn button.
I would rather if they want me to do the button thing if the automated system fails to put the button in my house, not three blocks from my tornado cellar.
Windchime/mousetrap/8-pound sledge.
re: #342 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
FTM, Bernie has a similar problem. He can’t understand that his #1 cause is not one that most Americans share. They’ve got other things on their minds besides Wall Street and the 1%.
The 1% is a problem, and it affects many other things. (If the 1% can largely avoid paying taxes it affects schools, roads, &c.)
I think Mr. Sanders’s problem was he was not effective at linking the issues. I have nothing against the 1% of income earners; Mr. Sanders should have spent more time on how the top margin of income is avoiding its civic duty on taxes. Taxes are the price of cilivilsation, and they are doing their darndest not to contribute to the civilisation that helped them become the 1%.
re: #348 Decatur Deb
Windchime/mousetrap/8-pound sledge.
Duct tape over the button and run for cover.
re: #349 Anymouse
Taxes are the price of cilivilsation, and they are doing their darndest not to contribute to the civilisation that helped them become the 1%.
Because they have convinced us that they got their on their own and that the government and its taxes were only holding them back.
My ex used to say the same thing about me…
re: #351 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
Because they have convinced us that they got their on their own and that the government and its taxes were only holding them back.
My ex used to say the same thing about me…
I suppose I could earn a million dollars if I had a million to start with.
Some people are born on third base, others are born in the locker room behind the dugout.
But we’re supposed to believe that being born with a fortune is somehow worthy.
re: #352 Anymouse
I suppose I could earn a million dollars if I had a million to start with.
Some people are born on third base, others are born in the locker room behind the dugout.
But we’re supposed to believe that being born with a fortune is somehow worthy.
Calvinist teach us that material wealth is an outer expression of inner grace…
That being the case, the Pablo Escobar was a saint.
re: #353 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
Calvinist teach us that material wealth is an outer expression of inner grace…
That being the case, the Pablo Escobar was a saint.
I have never been in debt except one time in 1978 when I bought my first car (a 1976 Vega Nomad).
My wife and I bought our house and current new car with saved money (no debt). We paid for our trip to Canada, Germany and Poland last year with all cash. (The travel agent looked at our cheque for the plane tickets dubiously, and apologised for calling our bank first before she would accept it.)
Somehow though, we are the moochers on society.
re: #15 Charles Johnson
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re: #354 Anymouse
I have never been in debt except one time in 1978 when I bought my first car (a 1976 Vega Nomad).
My wife and I bought our house and current new car with saved money (no debt). We paid for our trip to Canada, Germany and Poland last year with all cash. (The travel agent looked at our cheque for the plane tickets dubiously, and apologised for calling our bank first before she would accept it.)
Somehow though, we are the moochers on society.
Debt and poverty are not the same. Government debt is only bad when Democrats run it up. Heck I remember when there was a budget surplus under Bill Clinton and Rush Limbaugh was complaining that it was immoral for the government to run a surplus, it meant that they were taking more money from us than they needed… to operate.
re: #164 BeachDem
Bernie as SecState? No. Absolutely not. With his temperament, you might as well put Bolton in there.
re: #356 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
Debt and poverty are not the same. Government debt is only bad when Democrats run it up. Heck I remember when there was a budget surplus under Bill Clinton and Rush Limbaugh was complaining that it was immoral for the government to run a surplus, it meant that they were taking more money from us than they needed… to operate.
Yup. Pesky disabled vets, they should have come home on their shields. How dare the 1% have to support us (what contract?)
One thing for sure, you don’t get rich on either enlisted pay or VA disability.
re: #356 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
Debt and poverty are not the same. Government debt is only bad when Democrats run it up. Heck I remember when there was a budget surplus under Bill Clinton and Rush Limbaugh was complaining that it was immoral for the government to run a surplus, it meant that they were taking more money from us than they needed… to operate.
Goddamn what a tragedy that was. The Clinton administration paid down Reagan/Bush’s 7 Terabuck debt to 5 Terabucks and left office with a half-TB surplus. Bush the Lesser turned that into a half-TB deficit within a year and ran the debt up to 12 TB. But the Democrats are the economically-illiterate, fiscally-irresponsible ones.
re: #356 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
Debt and poverty are not the same
nothing wrong with properly managed conscious debt
re: #361 darthstar
Congratulations, Hillary.
She fought a hard campaign and deserves every kudo that can be kudoed.
Next up, Donald Trump. She is going to eat him alive.
About the only thing standing between Clinton and the oval office now is the Republican fantasy that Obama is going to burn the Constitution and cancel the election.
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. It’s amazing that Hillary crushed it last night, and is now the Democratic party nominee. So much history wrapped up last night, so what did the local media outlets lead with? Trump speech and wins last night.
WTF Channel 11 and Channel 5. Trump winning was foregone conclusion given he was running unopposed at this point. Doesn’t matter the margins at this point - and they are still winner take all.
Hillary won NJ, CA, NM, and SD. She boosted her lead over Bernie in popular vote, as she got more than 15.6 million votes to Bernie’s 11.9 million. She expanded her pledged delegate lead too.
Without counting supers, she got 2184, which is more than 50% of the pledged delegates.
So of course there’s a bunch of dead-enders claiming that this means she can’t win because she didn’t get to 2383 without the supers.
Then there’s the deadenders who say that the supers should all reverse the popular vote results and shift to Bernie, because feels.
Yeah, this is where the Bernie fans are this morning. Grasping at straws.
Then again, this is where the Bernie campaign has been since Super Tuesday. This article shows just how deluded Bernie has been. That he won Michigan gave him a false sense of hope that he could win the nomination, and has been denying reality ever since.
If you need anymore proof that Bernie Sanders’s campaign was an organizational garbage fire: https://t.co/LE5xcBq6w7
— Nathaniel Meyersohn (@nmeyersohn) June 8, 2016
The Sanders campaign advisers were caught between the realists and the fantasists. The fantasists won out, mostly because Sanders was a fantasist who denied that he had no chance to win ever since March.
Delegate math became foreign to them, and all the talk of a movement or revolution took precedence, even though they weren’t generating the kind of turnout to sustain it in the long term. Rallies are one thing - getting people out to vote is quite another.
Then there’s the money game. Bernie outspent Hillary, and lost. Hillary’s got more money in the bank, and limited her attacks on Bernie because that was never her objective. It is to win the White House and to do what she can to regain the Senate and help cut the Dem deficit in the House.
That’s what the goal is from now til November. To roll back the GOP. To show Americans that the GOP doesn’t speak for them - that they never have. It’s always been about shifting burdens from the rich on to everyone else, and their talk of compassionate conservatism is long dead. This is a political party whose mantra is Fuck You, I got mine. That’s why they want to roll back Obamacare without offering up an alternative. It’s why their talk of welfare reform reeks of slashing the safety net to “pay for” tax cuts.
This is the GOP that has to be fought. It’s not just Trump. Trump’s just the figurehead id/ego who speaks what the core GOP wants (far more bluntly than the establishment types wish, but on substance they’re on the same page).
re: #364 darthstar
About the only thing standing between Clinton and the oval office now is the Republican fantasy that Obama is going to burn the Constitution and cancel the election.
Or the refrain that she’s an indictment away from being convicted of …. something.
re: #366 lawhawk
Or the refrain that she’s an indictment away from being convicted of …. something.
Being Hillary Clinton?
I would dearly love to see actual indictments handed down against Pam Bondi, Ken Paxton, and Greg Abbot. I suppose I am a dreamer that way.
re: #319 freetoken
The Republicans were humiliated in the US Senate race.
Compared to 2010 when Fiorina ran, and she got 1.3 million, and Devore and Campbell and the rest added another million, for almost 2.3 million Republican votes for their Senate candidates.
This year they’re down around 50%.
The new system has just knocked the party down the stairs and out onto the curb.
Note the Dem vote total this year is significantly higher than in 2010, but given that Boxer was the incumbent there wasn’t really much of a contest save for Mickey Kaus’ folly.
Wait, Mickey Kaus was a candidate for Senate in 2010?
re: #367 Anymouse
And Trump himself. His donations could be perceived as a bribe to avoid investigation or criminal prosecution for fraud. That’s a crime under FL Stat 838.015, bribery. It could also be a violation under 838.016 Unlawful compensation or reward for official behavior. There’s so much there that reeks.
re: #363 Anymouse
She fought a hard campaign and deserves every kudo that can be kudoed.
Next up, Donald Trump. She is going to eat him alive.
If he’s the nominee. I’ve said since last fall that I don’t think he really wants the nomination and he’s done everything humanly possible to get the Republicans to reject him, but it turns out he’s just their id. No matter what he says, they all agree.
“Mexicans are rapists!” Hear, hear!
“Megyn Kelly menstruated out her eyes at me!” Hear, hear!
“I’m banning all Muslims from earth!” Hear, hear!
“We need to tax the rich (not really)” Hear, hear!…wait…Hear, hear!
That said, if he stays in, she should be able to pirouette her way to the White House like Julie Andrews in The Sound of Music and take the House and the Senate with her.
Since I live in a very Republican area I’m waiting to see what the lawn signs will be. I’ve seen more HILLARY NO! bumper stickers than the odd Trump For Emperor handicapped parking permits. HILLARY NO! would be my bet. Not saying you are for anything, just that you are against Hillary. It’s the Weasel Way. Like saying “They’re ALL THE SAME.” No. They are not. I hope Hillary absolutely crushes Trump. All this talk about replacing Trump. Doing something. That ship sailed. So. Who will be the lucky VP candidate?
re: #275 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
Please remember, people. Registering for a particular party does not mean that you actively support them or are a member, it means that you have chosen to vote in their primary (if it is a closed state)
But the purists do not want to sully their names by registering as an icky Democrat.
re: #366 lawhawk
Or the refrain that she’s an indictment away from being convicted of …. something.
I think the reality of her candidacy will take the wind out of Republican sails. I expect Merrick Garland will be confirmed before the August recess.
re: #371 nines09
Since I live in a very Republican area I’m waiting to see what the lawn signs will be. I’ve seen more HILLARY NO! bumper stickers than the odd Trump For Emperor handicapped parking permits. HILLARY NO! would be my bet. Not saying you are for anything, just that you are against Hillary. It’s the Weasel Way. Like saying “They’re ALL THE SAME.” No. They are not. I hope Hillary absolutely crushes Trump. All this talk about replacing Trump. Doing something. That ship sailed. So. Who will be the lucky VP candidate?
The only bumper sticker I’ve seen in my area since Dr. Ben Carson dropped out is mine for Bernie Sanders. Now that the race is essentially over (I suspect Mr. Sanders will stay through the DC primary to keep his promise to let all the voters weigh in, then will concede), I will be removing that sticker.
I am not sure whether I should put a Clinton sticker on my car (not because I would not support Clinton but because I don’t want my Smart rolled over). Yard sign though? Going up as soon as I can get one.
re: #367 Anymouse
Being Hillary Clinton?
I would dearly love to see actual indictments handed down against Pam Bondi, Ken Paxton, and Greg Abbot. I suppose I am a dreamer that way.
None of that is impossible—unless the DoJ passes under Republican control next year (shudder).
re: #373 darthstar
Not sure that’ll happen unless the GOP suddenly has change of heart and schedules the hearings right away.
I had a dream that the GOP remained opposed to the Garland nomination, and Obama responded by withdrawing Garland and picking someone even younger and more liberal, with the warning that the continued obstructionism will result in each successive nomination being even more liberal than the last.
The GOP screwed itself royally, and now with the Trump-Hillary race set, it’s going to be a disaster for them on judicial nominations too.
From a comment at Daily Kos:
Primary popular vote update, now including every primary and caucus except DC:
•Hillary Clinton: 16,466,548
•Bernie Sanders: 12,728,577
•Donnie Trump: 13,483,945
•Cruz: 7,738,167
•Kasich: 4,229,587
•Rubio: 3,526,758Two quick notes: 1) California is still counting votes, and when all is said and done (next week?) Hillary’s lead will likely be even greater.
2) The old GOP talking point about “more enthusiasm” on their side has definitively bit the dust. As of this morning there have been 29.2 million votes cast for the Democratic candidates compared to 28.9 million votes for the larger GOP field.
re: #374 Anymouse
I never post anything. Never did. Bumper stickers are like having a Dallas Cowboy jersey on in South Philly at a very drunk bar.
re: #298 Anymouse
Mr. Sanders cannot advance any part of his agenda if he stands on the outside screaming get off my lawn.
Bernie has never, ever done anything to advance any part of his progressive agenda but talk. He’d talk on Hartmann. He’d talk elsewhere.
Where were any legislative initiatives?
Where were his campaigning for progressive leaders or causes where it mattered; in the Senate?
Where was he in THIS campaign helping others (e.g., Russ freaking Feingold) to get elected to help his supposed agenda.
He has no agenda. He has words. And the two are not equal in any meaningful fashion.
Not meaning to rail on you. I think what you do is amazing, especially considering where you are. I just don’t think Bernie has any desire to actually accomplish anything. He wants to be the only progressive champion. It’s a label. It is not an agenda.
Quite a bit of “both sides of the corporate owned coin!” going on in my neck of the woods. Not going to waste any more time explaining to these people that they are both not the same. Not going to rub it in either.
re: #376 lawhawk
Not sure that’ll happen unless the GOP suddenly has change of heart and schedules the hearings right away.
I had a dream that the GOP remained opposed to the Garland nomination, and Obama responded by withdrawing Garland and picking someone even younger and more liberal, with the warning that the continued obstructionism will result in each successive nomination being even more liberal than the last.
The GOP screwed itself royally, and now with the Trump-Hillary race set, it’s going to be a disaster for them on judicial nominations too.
This would be a good day for Obama to troll the GOP and invite some progressive circuit judges to lunch.
re: #376 lawhawk
Not sure that’ll happen unless the GOP suddenly has change of heart and schedules the hearings right away.
I had a dream that the GOP remained opposed to the Garland nomination, and Obama responded by withdrawing Garland and picking someone even younger and more liberal, with the warning that the continued obstructionism will result in each successive nomination being even more liberal than the last.
The GOP screwed itself royally, and now with the Trump-Hillary race set, it’s going to be a disaster for them on judicial nominations too.
Judge Merrick Garland had to know what was happening going into this. If the Republicans stick to their guns and allow no hearings (and that looks like what they are going to do), I would not be surprised if Merrick Garland himself withdraws from consideration. After all, he still has a job on the court.
I don’t think President Obama would have simply offered up a sacrificial lamb; it was Chuck Grassley himself who said President Obama would never nominate someone like Garland.
The Garland nomination is going to be more grist for the mill as far as Clinton’s campaign goes though. The GOP (particularly Mitch McConnell) really overplayed their hand.
re: #317 Anymouse
Politico has become a very interesting place. Since announcing that they are closing shop, their reporting has become much more real. Like they want to go out with the truth they didn’t often carry in the past. I actually noticed that a few weeks prior to their announcement.
Maya and Marty has been on for 2 weeks on Tuesday nites (9pm central). Both shows have been side splitters……
Here’s a taste:
re: #367 Anymouse
Being Hillary Clinton?
I would dearly love to see actual indictments handed down against Pam Bondi, Ken Paxton, and Greg Abbot. I suppose I am a dreamer that way.
I don’t understand at all why this is not happening.
re: #373 darthstar
I think the reality of her candidacy will take the wind out of Republican sails. I expect Merrick Garland will be confirmed before the August recess.
I’d take that bet and give you a handicap. The GOP is all about obstruction.
I will gladly eat my hat if I am wrong.
Regulators are wrangling with bankrupt coal companies to set aside enough money to clean up Appalachia’s polluted rivers and mountains so that taxpayers are not stuck with the $1 billion bill.
The regulators worry that coal companies will use the bankruptcy courts to pay off their debts to banks and hedge funds, while leaving behind some of their environmental cleanup obligations.[…]
West Virginia faces perhaps the greatest fallout from the flood of coal bankruptcies that have hit the courts in the last year because many of its mines are scheduled to close and will require extensive cleanup. The state took the unusual approach of hiring a seasoned bankruptcy lawyer from New York who grew up in West Virginia to represent its Department of Environmental Protection in the Alpha case.[…]
Still, figuring out who holds the industry’s debt can involve a cat-and-mouse game. Earlier this year, Alpha denied knowing the identity, or the holdings, of its so-called first-lien lenders, which are in line to be paid before many other creditors, according to a court filing.
So Mr. Barrett subpoenaed Citicorp, the agent for the first-lien lenders in the case, asking for the names.
It took Citi more than 30 days to respond to the state’s subpoena, the court filing shows. When the list of lenders arrived, it read like a who’s who of leading investment firms — including two big hedge funds, Highbridge Capital Management and a unit of Davidson Kempner.
Mr. Barrett promptly subpoenaed these firms too, asking how their plans to buy Alpha’s most valuable assets in the Powder River Basin of Wyoming would help pay to clean up the mines left behind in West Virginia.[…]
re: #386 MsJ
I’d take that bet and give you a handicap. The GOP is all about obstruction.
I will gladly eat my hat if I am wrong.
Can I get a piece of your action? Easy for me—I don’t even own a hat….
re: #385 MsJ
I don’t understand at all why this is not happening.
It does take some time to build a case, and the information against them was only just made public. The Justice Department has to ensure it can get around Citizens United and show there was an actual quid pro quo.
re: #389 Anymouse
It does take some time to build a case, and the information against them was only just made public. The Justice Department has to ensure it can get around Citizens United and show there was an actual quid pro quo.
Thank you.
I will be sorely disappointed if nothing comes of this. It would be proof positive that the rich can and do buy everything.
re: #389 Anymouse
It does take some time to build a case, and the information against them was only just made public. The Justice Department has to ensure it can get around Citizens United and show there was an actual quid pro quo.
I think if Obama or Clinton can get even one justice onto the Supreme Court, bringing down Citizens United is going to be a focus of her Presidency. Let’s remember who “Citizens United, Not Timid” was founded to oppose—she does.
re: #390 MsJ
Thank you.
I will be sorely disappointed if nothing comes of this. It would be proof positive that the rich can and do buy everything.
That would certainly be another entanglement for Mr. Trump if he were dragged into such a case as well.
re: #340 Anymouse
Well, of the board members, I live closest to the tornado siren. In the event the automated system fails to fire off the siren, I have to go and push the manual button. The siren only sounds as long as you hold the button, so there I would be standing out in hail or rain with an incoming tornado holding a button down… .
They might also be trying to get rid of me. /s
You’d probably get a statue at least. You, sculpted on a pedestal, pushing a button.
re: #393 Eventual Carrion
You’d probably get a statue at least. You, sculpted on a pedestal, pushing a button.
And they’ll name a junior high after you.
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