Saturday Jam: World Party Mini-Set on KEXP

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World Party’s Karl Wallinger is still in great voice, and here’s a mini-set live in the KEXP studio with David Duffy on vocals, violin and mandolin. These are two of Karl’s best songs in my opinion and they sound fantastic in this unplugged setting. (Notice that he plays a right-handed guitar upside down.)

http://KEXP.ORG presents World Party performing live in the KEXP studio. Recorded November 24, 2012.

Songs:
Is It Like Today
Put the Message in the Box

Host: Stevie Zoom
Audio Engineer: Julian Martlew
Cameras: Jenna Pool
Editor: Justin Wilmore

http://www.worldparty.net/

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stpaulbear  Jun 11, 2016 • 5:22:40pm
These are two of Karl’s best songs in my opinion…

Ship Of Fools or gtfo!
//

Nice to see he’s still doing it. Hadn’t seen anything about him in decades.

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Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)  Jun 11, 2016 • 5:24:32pm
(Notice that he plays a right-handed guitar upside down.)

AKA “Hendrix Style”.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2016 • 5:27:12pm

re: #2 Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)

AKA “Hendrix Style”.

Actually, no - Hendrix played right-handed guitars, but he strung them in reverse order with the low E on top. Wallinger’s playing a right-handed guitar strung the standard way, so it’s truly upside-down.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2016 • 5:31:52pm

Instagram

Sunday driver. #hasselblad #thefindlab #portra400 #soloparking

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Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2016 • 5:33:57pm

Too many berners are hoping without hope.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2016 • 5:34:06pm

Instagram

Lyrics from “Running For Our Lives”. Getting ready to put out a record that I wrote and recorded with my son Luc and this is one of the songs that’s on the album.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 11, 2016 • 5:36:46pm

re: #5 Stanley Sea

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Too many berners are hoping without hope.

I love Mainstream Media Blackouts because look at this big crowd.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 11, 2016 • 5:37:12pm

It’s my Dad’s birthday today! Guess which one…

Yup, that one!
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Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)  Jun 11, 2016 • 5:37:39pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

I stand lounge corrected.

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Brian J.  Jun 11, 2016 • 5:38:01pm

re: #5 Stanley Sea

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Too many berners are hoping without hope.

So far no delegates have been flipped, according to the Green Papers, but Clinton is on the verge of picking up four (6th, 7th, 27th and 38th Districts) if she gains even 1/3 of one percent in those Districts from here on out. Sanders is about half a point from gaining delegates in the 17th and 32nd Districts. He’s flipped the 24th District (SLO/ Santa Barbara/ Ventura), but that one had an even number of delegates and hence is good for nothing but bragging rights.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2016 • 5:39:23pm

re: #7 SoundGuy 2016

I love Mainstream Media Blackouts because look at this big crowd.

No, it’s Google. Google decided the election.

The thing is, I wouldn’t be seeing these outrageous claims if not for the previously normal dems I follow who turned into do or die Berners.

I’m not blocking them yet, someone responded that they are heartbroken. Give them time. I will.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2016 • 5:40:58pm

re: #8 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s my Dad’s birthday today! Guess which one…

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Wow!! Happy Birthday Mr. White!

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Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2016 • 5:41:10pm

Instagram

“I grew up watching him. I grew up having my identify shaped by what he accomplished.” —President Obama on Muhammad Ali

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b_sharp  Jun 11, 2016 • 5:43:15pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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Mine was green.

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Bubblehead II  Jun 11, 2016 • 5:43:35pm

As usual ( I know I am not a lone) I post, and Charles opens a new thread. Repost

littlegreenfootballs.com

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 11, 2016 • 5:44:59pm

Hillary is beating Sanders in the popular vote by HEY LOOK AT THIS HUGE CROWD! YOU WON’T SEE THIS IN THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA!

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Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2016 • 5:45:27pm

re: #14 b_sharp

Mine was green.

Back in the day when cars looked like spaceships.

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b_sharp  Jun 11, 2016 • 5:48:18pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Back in the day when cars looked like spaceships.

Looked cool and went like a bat out of hell.

It wasn’t stock.

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b_sharp  Jun 11, 2016 • 5:48:38pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Back in the day when cars looked like spaceships.

Or boats.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2016 • 5:58:20pm

re: #19 b_sharp

Or boats.

Boats that could travel in space.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2016 • 6:02:13pm

Maureen Dowd is drunk again.

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Brian J.  Jun 11, 2016 • 6:03:08pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

Maureen Dowd is drunk again.

Dare we ask for the latest evidence?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2016 • 6:04:12pm

re: #22 Brian J.

Dare we ask for the latest evidence?

nytimes.com

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Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2016 • 6:07:32pm
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Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)  Jun 11, 2016 • 6:07:40pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

Maureen Dowd is drunk not in one of her fleeting moments of sobriety again.

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Brian J.  Jun 11, 2016 • 6:07:48pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

nytimes.com

Sorry I asked. I prefer this squad:

homestarrunner.com

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 11, 2016 • 6:08:16pm

Was that an OpEd or a delusional fantasy spiced up with crappy gin?

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Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)  Jun 11, 2016 • 6:08:53pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

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Don’t worry, his finger’s probably too weak and stubby to push the button anyway.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2016 • 6:09:37pm
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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 11, 2016 • 6:09:48pm

I”m not worried about Trump with the launch codes. He’ll screw the missile guys so bad they’ll be on strike.

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ObserverArt  Jun 11, 2016 • 6:11:57pm

re: #18 b_sharp

Looked cool and went like a bat out of hell.

It wasn’t stock.

My brother had one which had been highly touched. It was competition orange in color with white and black metal flake rolled and pleated custom upholstery interior, headliner, trunk and some of the material replacing the metal trim “sweep” of the rear fenders.

And air conditioned (aftermarket) with an 8-track tape!

It was a show car for a local custom upholstery shop that did some nice 60s era hot rods. I think it was about ‘67 when my brother had the car.

Funny. 10 year old ‘57 Chevy considered a ‘classic old car’ in 1967.

It had a 327 fuel injected engine that was built by Miles and Gellner Engineering out of Cleveland. That engine was so damn noisy my father used to get pissed off at my brother because it shook the house when he pulled into driveway.

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stpaulbear  Jun 11, 2016 • 6:18:15pm

re: #31 ObserverArt

Good mufflers make good neighbors.

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b_sharp  Jun 11, 2016 • 6:18:48pm

re: #31 ObserverArt

My brother had one which had been highly touched. It was competition orange in color with white and black metal flake rolled and pleated custom upholstery interior, headliner, trunk and some of the material replacing the metal trim “sweep” of the rear fenders.

And air conditioned (aftermarket) with an 8-track tape!

It was a show car for a local custom upholstery shop that did some nice 60s era hot rods. I think it was about ‘67 when my brother had the car.

Funny. 10 year old ‘57 Chevy considered a ‘classic old car’ in 1967.

It had a 327 fuel injected engine that was built by Miles and Gellner Engineering out of Cleveland. That engine was so damn noisy my father used to get pissed off at my brother because it shook the house when he pulled into driveway.

I wasn’t so lucky. I built the engine into 400hp 292cu in but it still had the original paint. I denim lined the interior.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2016 • 6:20:18pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2016 • 6:22:02pm

re: #18 b_sharp

Looked cool and went like a bat out of hell.

It wasn’t stock.

My first car:

Well, mine was dark blue. You wouldn’t know it to look at it, but that thing was a rocket!

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LastYearsMan  Jun 11, 2016 • 6:25:37pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

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I’m the same with the original version, La Jetee. (Luckily, it’s a lot shorter than 12 Monkeys).

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ObserverArt  Jun 11, 2016 • 6:26:22pm

re: #32 stpaulbear

Good mufflers make good neighbors.

It wasn’t loud so much as it had a pitch to it from the radical cam in it that just had bad harmonics. Our driveway was pretty close to the side of house and the windows would rattle. Drove my father nuts.

My brother didn’t keep it too long. If I remember, he had found that the engine was so powerful it was about to leave the rear axle on the road from all the torque.

My brother was still young and learning. He learned.

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LastYearsMan  Jun 11, 2016 • 6:27:05pm

So, the New York Times is tell me that (((name))) is now an alt-right racist symbol. Great. I’ve been using it for years as a cue during my presentations and public speaking gigs. Might need to re-think now.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jun 11, 2016 • 6:31:23pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

“Once Upon a Time in America” will bring me to a halt.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2016 • 6:33:15pm

Noah’s Ark meets the Norwegian Coast Guard

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stpaulbear  Jun 11, 2016 • 6:34:10pm

Here’s my first car. It had a small V-8, four doors, and was vanilla pudding yellow.

…what we referred to back then as a real dad-mobile (dad actually bought it for me without telling me. I had to pay him back over the next two years).

Image: 1967-chevrolet-biscayne-sedan-2.jpg

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Kragar  Jun 11, 2016 • 6:35:53pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

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Kragar  Jun 11, 2016 • 6:37:00pm
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Kragar  Jun 11, 2016 • 6:41:29pm
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LastYearsMan  Jun 11, 2016 • 6:43:21pm

re: #42 Kragar

I’m like that with “The Thing.”

Did you ever read Peter Watts’ take on “The Thing” — a short story called “The Things.” It was nominated for a Hugo and a whole bunch of other awards. It’s pretty brilliant.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2016 • 6:44:08pm

re: #44 Kragar

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17 Candidates and Trump was the best they could do.

Don’t you Loony Libs™ know a Deep Bench when you see one?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2016 • 6:58:09pm

extreme berners are mad at Sen. Warren

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(((The Engineer Lobuno)))  Jun 11, 2016 • 7:03:32pm

re: #46 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Don’t you Loony Libs™ know a Deep Bench when you see one?

There are places you’d like a deep bench. Group sports, for example, because you expect to replace your main squad. But when selecting a nominee, a deep bench is problematic. Well, the Republicans now have first hand experience.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2016 • 7:03:34pm
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CuriousLurker  Jun 11, 2016 • 7:07:24pm

Gahhhhhhhh!!! I hate stupid Seagate POS hard drives. They always fail on me. I should’ve known when my Dell laptop started intermittently acting wonky that it was the (factory installed) HDD. It was off this morning (I usually leave it running) and when I turned it on it started making one of those weird electronic noises that you KNOW means trouble. Black screen “No boot device found.”

Noooooooo…

Thankfully, I was able to find a reasonably priced and slightly faster (7200 rpm vs 5400 rpm) Western Digital replacement and Amazon was able to provide same day delivery for free. Still, that &^%$%^#$@# cost me half of my Saturday because I had to run around looking for the recovery disk which ended up being on a USB drive at the bottom of a plastic pencil box next to my desk—luckily it was labeled.

Now I’m waiting for it to restore it to the circa 2014 factory settings, which means Win 8.1 and I have to reinstall ALL my software because I hadn’t made any backups as it’s not my main machine. Then I’ll have to upgrade to Win 10 again. There goes what’s left of the weekend… *sigh*

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 11, 2016 • 7:09:46pm
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CuriousLurker  Jun 11, 2016 • 7:12:17pm

re: #51 goddamnedfrank

OFFS, the drama.

Why waste a temper tantrum if nobody is around to see it????

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majii  Jun 11, 2016 • 7:18:57pm

re: #52 CuriousLurker

Funny video. I think this little guy’s tantrum is similar to the one the berners are having. Kid knew he wasn’t getting attention from adults or the dog, so he kept getting up, changing his location, and beginning his tantrum again. The berners are doing the same thing. The rest of us have moved on, but they’re determined to show up at Sen. Warren’s events and act out. Sad.

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Lidane  Jun 11, 2016 • 7:29:12pm

re: #51 goddamnedfrank

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2016 • 7:32:52pm

This guy, amirite?

Don King reverses denial he endorsed Trump: ‘Trump for president, Bernie Sanders for vice president’

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Alyosha  Jun 11, 2016 • 7:34:11pm

Snicker.

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Bear  Jun 11, 2016 • 7:36:15pm

re: #50 CuriousLurker

But that should give you something to do and help keep you out of trouble. //

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Alyosha  Jun 11, 2016 • 7:42:03pm

Big. Deal.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2016 • 7:45:03pm

My first car.

I came of age in the weirdest of times.

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Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)  Jun 11, 2016 • 7:46:30pm

re: #51 goddamnedfrank

The difference between activism and a hissyfit is that activism is a means to an end. What end is protesting Warren a means to? What are you trying to accomplish?

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KGxvi  Jun 11, 2016 • 7:47:31pm

re: #58 Alyosha

The part of DWS resigning probably is in the best interest of the DNC. But superdelegates really are a good thing

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Alyosha  Jun 11, 2016 • 7:49:51pm

re: #61 KGxvi

DWS is on her way out in any case.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2016 • 7:50:19pm

re: #60 Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)

The difference between activism and a hissyfit is that activism is a means to an end. What end is protesting Warren a means to? What are you trying to accomplish?

Don’t you know? If you insult somebody enough, they’re sure to start agreeing with you.

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majii  Jun 11, 2016 • 7:51:34pm

re: #60 Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)

I’m beginning to wonder whether they can explain what they’re trying to accomplish. To me, it appears they’re having a hissy fit because most democrats didn’t vote for Sen. Sanders in the primaries/caucuses. He lost the nomination to HRC, but they are refusing to accept it and are behaving like two-year olds whose moms have denied them a cookie before dinner.

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TedStriker  Jun 11, 2016 • 7:53:30pm

re: #54 Lidane

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Got Tony Stark beat:

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Alyosha  Jun 11, 2016 • 7:55:53pm

Trump puts this one in the shade.

IMO the only kind of affection to any flag that seems appropriate is as a part of some legit paraphilia.

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Alyosha  Jun 11, 2016 • 7:56:35pm

re: #59 Stanley Sea

Cuuute!

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bws58  Jun 11, 2016 • 8:04:18pm

re: #51 goddamnedfrank

BERNIE SANDERS FOR PRESIDENT CONTRIBUTE
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gonna have sad bros

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Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2016 • 8:05:37pm

re: #67 Alyosha

Cuuute!

And I got it used, with my first LOAN.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2016 • 8:07:49pm

Man, there is some really virulent script on this page that is pegging my CPU. My fan’s going 6000 RPM, and I’m at 162º. I’m sorry, but I’ve seen the ads—I’m going to activate AdBlocker and refresh.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2016 • 8:08:36pm

I’m going to watch the ESPN: OJ Made in America doc. People are already tweeting about it, but I’m waiting till 9 my time.

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jaunte  Jun 11, 2016 • 8:09:51pm

re: #59 Stanley Sea

Mine was a Pinto.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2016 • 8:10:35pm

re: #72 jaunte

Mine was a Pinto.

My Mom had a Pinto. I learned how to drive on that olive green & white thing!

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jaunte  Jun 11, 2016 • 8:11:51pm

re: #73 Stanley Sea

I never had any fire problems with mine; just had to take the air filter off when I drove into the mountains.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 11, 2016 • 8:12:24pm

re: #69 Stanley Sea

And I got it used, with my first LOAN.

My first car was a ‘71 Plymouth Valiant that I bought from by brother in 1983. I paid a dollar and I overpaid. Someone had set fire to it in Philadelphia when he was living there and much of the electrical system was burned, so: no radio, no heat. At one point the odometer cable broke as did the speedometer. It stalled when I made left turns, but I got really good at throwing it in neutral and restarting it. The brakes engaged after about three pumps. Oh, and the passenger-side door didn’t open. I sold it for $125.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 11, 2016 • 8:12:32pm

re: #52 CuriousLurker

OFFS, the drama.

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Video

Made me think of this comic.

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Teukka  Jun 11, 2016 • 8:16:01pm

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Brian J.  Jun 11, 2016 • 8:16:17pm

re: #58 Alyosha

Big. Deal.

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Not a big deal; my understanding is that it goes to the Rules Committee and gets roundfiled.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2016 • 8:16:35pm

re: #74 jaunte

I never had any fire problems with mine; just had to take the air filter off when I drove into the mountains.

Oh I have a story. We were moving from Ormond Beach to North Palm. It was like the day before we left. I backed up the Pinto from our driveway into my friend’s across the street with the driver’s door open. Hit my friend’s brother’s car. My Mom was beyond pissed & we had to drive to NPB with the driver’s door tied with rope.

She still brings it up.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2016 • 8:19:34pm

OK—you can’t sign in or comment with AdBlock enabled. This is intolerable—it’s taking about 30 seconds for each keystroke to register. See you all tomorrow, maybe.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 11, 2016 • 8:23:27pm

re: #80 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

OK—you can’t sign in or comment with AdBlock enabled. This is intolerable—it’s taking about 30 seconds for each keystroke to register. See you all tomorrow, maybe.

AdBlock doesn’t block signin or comment. Something else is wonky with your setup. Better run a virus checker and malware checker.

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jaunte  Jun 11, 2016 • 8:32:38pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2016 • 8:36:06pm

re: #80 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It sounds like you need to install a Flash blocker in Firefox.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2016 • 8:36:19pm
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Kragar  Jun 11, 2016 • 8:45:39pm
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retired cynic  Jun 11, 2016 • 8:46:01pm

I learned to drive in our family Oldsmobile: full size, demonstrator with every gadget known to man, and an engine capable of mach speed. Then my father helped me buy my first car, a black 1960 Corvair with an engine that blew an hour into owning it. We had it repaired, and it blew again, so I drove it to college at 10 mph until I had it paid off.

Then I got a 1967 white Camaro with red leather interior, and was off!

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 11, 2016 • 8:57:04pm

re: #85 Kragar

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Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:02:15pm

WOW. Kindle Paperwhite E-reader is on sale right now at Amazon for… $20!

Not a joke. This is real. Just ordered one for myself.

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Brian J.  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:04:58pm

At some point, polls like this stop being shocking. But we’re not there yet.

“Utah is too close to call”:

sltrib.com

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Kragar  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:08:06pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

WOW. Kindle Paperwhite E-reader is on sale right now at Amazon for… $20!

Not a joke. This is real. Just ordered one for myself.

Never mind, didn’t read all the details

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:08:54pm

re: #90 Kragar

Says $99 in my cart

You have to order $49.99 or more to get it for $20
Nm. I’m seeing the same thing

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:10:18pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

It sounds like you need to install a Flash blocker in Firefox.

Oh, I’ve always had Flash blocked. I disabled Silverlight, too, and tried it again. Maybe a different set of ads is running now, but it cleared up.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:11:26pm

re: #90 Kragar

I did it as a 1-click order and it’s showing as $21.90 with sales tax. If it’s an error I guess they’ll probably cancel the $20 orders, but right now it’s showing as arriving Wednesday at the $20 price.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:13:06pm

re: #91 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

You have to order $49.99 or more to get it for $20
Nm. I’m seeing the same thing

Aha! You have to order at least $25 in books or $49 in other stuff to get the $20 Kindle white.

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Kragar  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:13:17pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

I’d have to add in some other stuff to get the deal. I’ll check it out when I get paid next

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:14:46pm

re: #86 retired cynic

I learned to drive in our family Oldsmobile: full size, demonstrator with every gadget known to man, and an engine capable of mach speed. Then my father helped me buy my first car, a black 1960 Corvair with an engine that blew an hour into owning it. We had it repaired, and it blew again, so I drove it to college at 10 mph until I had it paid off.

Then I got a 1967 white Camaro with red leather interior, and was off!

I remember Brock Yates saying something like: “I wonder if these geniuses who came up with the slogan ‘It’s not your father’s Oldsmobile’ have ever seen anything like my Old Man’s Rocket 88 from the Fifties, which could suck the headlights out of any of their current offerings.”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:16:46pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

I did it as a 1-click order and it’s showing as $21.90 with sales tax. If it’s an error I guess they’ll probably cancel the $20 orders, but right now it’s showing as arriving Wednesday at the $20 price.

Well, I’ll cross my fingers and see what happens.

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retired cynic  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:17:09pm

re: #96 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Agree! (I hated to parallel park in it, tho!)

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:18:58pm

re: #91 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

You have to order $49.99 or more to get it for $20

Not if you have Prime.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:20:18pm

No longer available. I haz a sad.

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KGxvi  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:20:46pm

re: #89 Brian J.

At some point, polls like this stop being shocking. But we’re not there yet.

“Utah is too close to call”:

sltrib.com

Trump might be the worst major party nominee in a century. So results like this shouldn’t come as a surprise.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:21:48pm

Yeah, looks like they shut it down now. I wonder if they’ll fill orders placed before they caught the mistake?

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Belafon  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:22:30pm

re: #58 Alyosha

Big. Deal.

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So what Shaun is saying is that he’d like for Sanders to lose.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:23:05pm

re: #98 retired cynic

Agree! (I hated to parallel park in it, tho!)

And what really killed the Corvair was two mistakes. First, they put the camshaft above the crankshaft, instead of below like a VW. Secondly, they just had to use hydraulic lifters for quietness. (They don’t start clacking till they already have your money).

The combination of these two mistakes resulted in the lifters draining, drying out, and plugging up. If you didn’t start a Corvair for a while—once a day wasn’t really good enough—the lifters would fail to work and you’d fry the valves.

A 2¢ O-ring around each pushrod would cure the problem, but nobody knew that.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:25:59pm

re: #104 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And what really killed the Corvair was two mistakes. First, they put the camshaft above the crankshaft, instead of below like a VW. Secondly, they just had to use hydraulic lifters for quietness. (They don’t start clacking till they already have your money).

The combination of these two mistakes resulted in the lifters draining, drying out, and plugging up. If you didn’t start a Corvair for a while—once a day wasn’t really good enough—the lifters would fail to work and you’d fry the valves.

A 2¢ O-ring around each pushrod would cure the problem, but nobody knew that.

First gen Corvairs had big time problems, but I thought Chevy worked them out by the second gen.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:27:10pm

re: #102 Charles Johnson

Yeah, looks like they shut it down now. I wonder if they’ll fill orders placed before they caught the mistake?

Maybe a coding error. Once they fix the glitch, it’ll be back on sale.

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retired cynic  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:27:43pm

re: #104 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

See, I didn’t know anything about that. I just was embarrassed as &*() driving around campus at 10mph.

I live in an area where there are a lot of Characters, and used to be a lot more. There was one fellow named Pinky, who had a small old car held together with duct tape and baling wire, and he drove about 10mph everywhere. I figured either the car would fall apart if he went faster, or he would. Nope, it turned out he was just cheap, and drove that slow to save gas. If he’d gone any slower, the gas tank would have started back-filling.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:28:32pm

re: #105 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

First gen Corvairs had big time problems, but I thought Chevy worked them out by the second gen.

Oh, they did, but they had a bad reputation for reliability by then. Then that lying asshat Nader came along….

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Kragar  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:28:37pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:30:39pm
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retired cynic  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:31:16pm

re: #110 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

WTF?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:31:22pm
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Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:31:26pm

This ESPN OJ doc is really really good.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:32:55pm

re: #111 retired cynic

WTF?

Got more votes in the primaries, I guess. He doesn’t know it was all caucuses in those days. There are so many sentences you can start with “He doesn’t know”.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:32:55pm

re: #110 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Trump must have borrowed Obama’s time machine.

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retired cynic  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:34:00pm

re: #110 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

That would finish my father off. He was a Republican after serving under Ike in WW2. Worshiped the man. Some of the later iterations tried him severely, but fortunately he passed away before he could have seen the likes of Trump, and what is going on now.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:36:58pm
There are two articles circulating right now that speak volumes about the Democratic primary race between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders in California and beyond. One in particular offers probably the most predictable and revealing bit of information to come out of the whole protracted contest. It’s a piece in the San Francisco Chronicle that details all the ways that, despite their deafening roar both online and at rallies, Sanders’s rowdy Millennial fan base basically let him down. In the article, titled “Young Voters’ Low Turnout Led To Sanders’ Big Loss,” Paul Mitchell, vice president of Political Data Inc., states unequivocally that “the young (voters)… were Bernie’s key supporters … and they didn’t show up.” The article adds that while 25% of California’s record surge of over two million new registrants were under the age of 35, only about 10% of those voters actually cast a ballot. Now, eliminating any conspiracy theories about voter suppression Sanders’s more fanatical base might be inclined to offer up as an explanation, that’s a pretty surprising number of people who sat the election out.

Or is it? When it comes to politics, young people throughout recent history have been easy to energize but have also proven notoriously difficult to actually get to the polls. There are some understandable reasons for this, like the fact that young people tend to be moving from place to place more, with their days consumed by odd work hours and other concerns older voters simply don’t have. There are also, however, some predictably dubious reasons for this, like the fact that kids love the thrill of rallies and “rock star” spectacles, where they can join with others just like them and feel like they’re part of something empowering, trendy and “cool,” but when the time comes to do the actual work, well, they just have better things to do. (Those cynical about Millennials in particular could joke that since they couldn’t, like, vote by Snapchat, too much was being asked of them.) Or they figure, wrongly, that so many people like them showed up at the rally — or are continuing to reinforce their bubble online — that their one non-vote won’t matter. When you get enough people who think that way — that’s how a candidate loses and loses badly. Older voters show up. Younger voters don’t. Simple as that.

I will never understand this about young people. For me it would take so much more effort to drag my ass to a rally than to simply make sure I’m registered to vote by mail, take a few minutes to fill out the ballot when it arrives, sign the envelope, slap postage on it and send it back. Voting is so easy here, young people have no excuse for skipping elections.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:38:24pm

re: #112 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

What does that even mean? WTF is he talking about?

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stpaulbear  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:39:11pm

re: #96 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I remember Brock Yates saying something like: “I wonder if these geniuses who came up with the slogan ‘It’s not your father’s Oldsmobile’ have ever seen anything like my Old Man’s Rocket 88 from the Fifties, which could suck the headlights out of any of their current offerings.”

One of the very first rock & roll songs was about a Rocket 88.

Rocket “88” - Jackie Brenston & His Delta Cats

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Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:41:29pm

Well, it’s still showing as an open order for the $20 price. Crossing my fingers.

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Kragar  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:42:38pm

re: #119 stpaulbear

CONNEE ALLEN -“Rocket 69” (1951)

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Belafon  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:44:40pm

re: #117 goddamnedfrank

I will never understand this about young people. For me it would take so much more effort to drag my ass to a rally than to simply make sure I’m registered to vote by mail, take a few minutes to fill out the ballot when it arrives, sign the envelope, slap postage on it and send it back. Voting is so easy here, young people have no excuse for skipping elections.

I would also offer that the people who show up at rallies are a self selecting group. In other words, you can’t use a rally to determine what the entire population is thinking. I would suspect that most who went to a rally voted. But they’re not a good representation of their group.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:45:33pm

Long article in the Times relating how Trump managed to fail in the casino business in Atlantic City, while managing to suck money from shareholders, bondholders, contractors and workers.
nytimes.com

To me, it looks like a complex shell game, moving money around and making sure some of it ends up in Trump’s pockets.

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TK-421  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:47:34pm

Dammit, a day late and a dollar short. Again!!

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:48:10pm

re: #122 Belafon

I would also offer that the people who show up at rallies are a self selecting group. In other words, you can’t use a rally to determine what the entire population is thinking. I would suspect that most who went to a rally voted. But they’re not a good representation of their group.

I wouldn’t assume that at all. A big part of the rally goer mindset is the same as going to any rock concert / music festival, to party, to mingle with people, see and be seen. It’s about the experience, and has nothing whatsoever to do with actually fulfilling one’s civic duty.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:48:28pm

Texas Governor Abbott Will Take Obama’s Money After All?

That money will have Obama cooties on it. And since this was in my local newspaper, I hope every damn Republican in the county sees it.

Abbott won’t take money intended for Medicaid for working class families and their children to get needed medical care. But a flood, well, that’s different because water rises even for the rich as well as the poor.

And the first comment:

I thought President Obama didn’t have the authority to do anything because he is a lame duck. Shouldn’t Texas wait until after the next president takes office before they ask for aid?

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Joe Bacon  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:53:34pm

re: #85 Kragar

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Kristolmeth is too stupid to realize that there is an alternative with the Libertarian Party. The way the GOP is plop plopping and fizz fizzing like an Alka Seltzer tablet gives the Libertarians an historic opportunity.

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:54:06pm

Boy did you luck out. The Kindle is back up at $119. They must have mispriced it. I bet they honor it though.

Lucky you guys. I was reading my Kindle app and missed the window. :-(

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:54:38pm

Argh. Left hand typing. Sorry for the typos.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:55:28pm

re: #129 MsJ

Argh. Left hand typing. Sorry for the typos.

“What is the sound of one hand typing?”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:57:59pm

Singers vie to play ‘Pharma Bro’ Martin Shkreli, America’s ‘most-hated man’, in musical

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2016 • 9:59:16pm

re: #130 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

“What is the sound of one hand typing?”

For me… Ouch! Ow! Fuck! Goddamnitall!

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Alyosha  Jun 11, 2016 • 10:11:39pm

The Democratic Party is counter-revolutionary in the sense that it strives to be just progressive enough that a revolution from the right or left doesn’t occur.
Mostly revolutions suck.
Revolutions have their uses in truly autocratic and authoritarian countries but the US is not such a country.

Such freaking babies.

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Cheechako  Jun 11, 2016 • 10:15:59pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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Mine was coral….and a convertable.

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Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)  Jun 11, 2016 • 10:17:35pm

re: #103 Belafon

So what Shaun is saying is that he’d like for Sanders to lose.

No, see, if they get rid of the superdelegates then we get a do-over for the whole election, since the results of this one have been irrevocably tainted by their presence. [/Bernout]

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Alyosha  Jun 11, 2016 • 10:18:03pm

re: #133 Alyosha

Plus, President Obama acheived what is being suggested is so unfair in Stein’s first Tweet.
Against Clinton.
Which means that Obama ran a super badass campaign against an ‘establishment’ figure and turned the super delegates.
It can be done.
Sanders didn’t do it.
Get the fuck over it.

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Belafon  Jun 11, 2016 • 10:20:01pm

re: #133 Alyosha

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The Democratic Party is counter-revolutionary in the sense that it strives to be just progressive enough that a revolution from the right or left doesn’t occur.
Mostly revolutions suck.
Revolutions have their uses in truly autocratic and authoritarian countries but the US is not such a country.

Such freaking babies.

Until they can answer that without bullshitting, I’m not going to take them seriously.

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Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)  Jun 11, 2016 • 10:24:25pm

re: #114 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Got more votes in the primaries, I guess. He doesn’t know it was all caucuses in those days.

To say nothing of the fact that there were 150 million fewer Americans then. (Black people also couldn’t vote, but I don’t think that would measurably affect Donald’s vote totals)

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Kragar  Jun 11, 2016 • 10:24:52pm
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Alyosha  Jun 11, 2016 • 10:25:18pm

re: #137 Belafon

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Until they can answer that without bullshitting, I’m not going to take them seriously.

‘It takes an Obama to defeat a Clinton. You sir/ma’am, are no Obama.’

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Brian J.  Jun 11, 2016 • 10:26:17pm

re: #138 Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)

To say nothing of the fact that there were 150 million fewer Americans then. (Black people also couldn’t vote, but I don’t think that would measurably affect Donald’s vote totals)

Wikipedia shows only 13 primaries on the Republican side in 1952. The two leading candidates, Ike and Robert Taft, only appeared on the same ballot twice; in the other states, one or both ran as write-in candidates or not at all.

en.wikipedia.org

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majii  Jun 11, 2016 • 10:26:28pm

re: #137 Belafon

If Stein thinks you “can’t start a revolution in a counter-revolutionary party,” and she’s not a democrat, she needs to STFU. What she’s doing makes her a 1st Class agitating sh*t-stirrer and nothing else. And, besides, I’m tired of reading about her b*tch*ng about a party she isn’t a member of. She’s running in the Green Party, so I would think her main concern sh/would be the Green Party.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 11, 2016 • 10:28:44pm

re: #58 Alyosha

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Belafon  Jun 11, 2016 • 10:30:36pm

re: #139 Kragar

They set the bar at being guilty of a crime. How are you going to convict her if you want to do that?

//

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2016 • 10:33:58pm

re: #143 goddamnedfrank

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Fucking open primaries. Nothing but GOP rodent copulators.

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Kragar  Jun 11, 2016 • 10:42:40pm
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Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)  Jun 11, 2016 • 10:43:33pm

re: #146 Kragar

What rape culture?

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Dave In Austin  Jun 11, 2016 • 10:43:36pm

re: #145 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Fucking open primaries. Nothing but GOP rodent copulators.

Rattus Coitus..

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Kragar  Jun 11, 2016 • 10:43:59pm

re: #147 Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2016 • 10:48:26pm

re: #149 Kragar

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Nah…rakes.

The Simpsons - Sideshow Bob Stepping On Rakes Compilation

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Belafon  Jun 11, 2016 • 10:48:46pm

re: #146 Kragar

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Crowder’s fantasy: Some woman will be so lonely, she’ll be out in the forest he’s roaming through.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 11, 2016 • 10:54:17pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 11, 2016 • 11:00:48pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

Well, it’s still showing as an open order for the $20 price. Crossing my fingers.

Hope it comes through for you!

I’d be jealous, as I would have loved to have snagged one for my sister at that price, but I would have had to ship it to her anyway and she’s moving for the next week, so.

I have the nice and shiny Voyage for mine. I looked at the Oasis last week but am not sold on the need to upgrade.

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Snarknado!  Jun 11, 2016 • 11:10:32pm

I just bought a new (to me) Kindle Touch. For $25. (I still prefer e-ink to all those new-fangled screens.)

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 11, 2016 • 11:12:22pm

re: #154 Snarknado!

I just bought a new (to me) Kindle Touch. For $25. (I still prefer e-ink to all those new-fangled screens.)

For reading I am a big fan of e-ink. I am on my …third or fourth Kindle, I’ve lost track.

I’ll be glued to mine on Monday night as there is an anxiously awaited release that will hit at midnight eastern time. :)

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 11, 2016 • 11:33:00pm

re: #155 klys (maker of Silmarils)

For reading I am a big fan of e-ink. I am on my …third or fourth Kindle, I’ve lost track.

I’m trying to digitize all of my books/documentation. I have a Kindle Fire HDX 8.9 and a Sony DPT-S1 Digital Paper System. Only downsides with the Sony is that it only understands PDF’s and isn’t backlit-but I can markup the PDF’s with its stylus - which makes it a big hit with the legal community. And it has a built-in browser and supports up to a 32 GB microSDHC.

As far as scanning goes, I have a HP Scanjet 7000n that I won at a company auction for $300 during a United Way campaign (normal list on that beast is $3,000), and my Czurtek book scanner (that I still have yet to fire up-but I’m getting there…..)

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:41:12am

Something’s going down in Orlando, FL.

Sorry, it’s Russia Today, and I’m not seeing it anywhere else.

rt.com

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:46:02am

re: #157 Dr Lizardo

A bit more here: breakingnews.com

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:59:16am

re: #158 Dr Lizardo

The BBC is now reporting it. Apparently, it seems to be a hostage situation. bbc.com

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:06:45am

My first car was a 1976 Chevy Vega Nomad (a limited edition of the car), which I bought in 1978 with 22,000 miles on it for $2,000. (powder blue, not orange like this one, and mine was in a lot better shape when I sold it, like the interior wasn’t all torn up). There is a picture of one at a car show:
barnfinds.com

I sold it in 1985 when I went back in the US Navy with 225,000 miles on it. (I once had to have the transmission rebuilt.) About three weeks after I sold it (good thing I got the money first), the fellow who bought it from me blew the engine up trying to drag race the Pasco (Fla.) County Sheriff through the centre of Dade City. (Not sure what he did to upset the county sheriff enough to blow up his engine.)

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:09:04am

Youtube video of the shootout between police and who knows.

Shooting and hostage situation at Orlando Nightclub

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:17:00am
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Ace-o-aces  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:18:58am
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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:22:25am

re: #162 Ace-o-aces

Who is this Jordon Flash, and where did he get the idea that the shooter was a fellow from Westboro Baptist Church? (I presume he means the one in Topeka and not some other Westboro. The wingnuts in Topeka are vile litigious jerks, but they are non-violent.)

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electrotek  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:23:10am

re: #164 Anymouse

Who is this Jordon Flash, and where did he get the idea that the shooter was a fellow from Westboro Baptist Church? (I presume he means the one in Topeka and not some other Westboro. The wingnuts in Topeka are vile litigious jerks, but they are non-violent.)

A post off 4chan is the evidence that he got it from.

It is plausible, since Eliot Rodger himself posted threats on 4chan before committing the Isla Vista murders 2 years ago.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:24:50am

re: #165 electrotek

A post off 4chan is the evidence that he got it from.

It is plausible, since Eliot Rodger himself posted threats on 4chan before committing the Isla Vista murders 2 years ago.

Admittedly, the situation is ongoing, and this could just be rumor.

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electrotek  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:25:14am

Nevermind, check this Buzzfeed source for proof that it may not be the case.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:30:31am

Yup, I looked at the Orlando Sentinal and they have no details on the shooter. (Thinking about it, that would seem mighty fast for any police department to release details about a shooting.)

On the other hand, as I noted, Westboro is a bunch of litigious jerks (it is how they finance their grift). If I were posting untrue things about the church on social media like Twitter I would be real careful about it (WBC is very adept at monitoring news about themselves on social media).

orlandosentinel.com

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:35:01am

re: #162 Ace-o-aces

Hoax.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:35:41am

re: #169 Eric The Fruit Bat

Hoax.

Fucking 4chan.

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electrotek  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:37:27am

Orlando can’t catch a break.

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TK-421  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:38:16am

I had a 1976 Cutlass Salon. It was mint when I bought it (~1990). Looked just like this (without sunroof).

My first car was a POS van. Bought it for $250 bux. :)

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:50:34am

buzzfeed.com

Virginia Beach Public Library Director Brittney Ash put up a display in the library that has now gone viral as a photo on the Internet.

The display is a riff on Sir Mix-a-Lot’s rap song “Baby Got Back” and starts I like big books and I cannot lie, you other readers can’t deny… .

The article has a picture of the full filk of the song she wrote for her display, along with pictures of another display she put up in the children’s section of the library.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:54:20am

Nancy Pelosi trolled Paul Ryan about Donald Trump in a press release.

With the usual sober commentary, Wonkette is on the case:
wonkette.com

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 12, 2016 • 2:01:58am

WTFTV finally has live coverage.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 12, 2016 • 2:25:17am

40 plus casualties in Orlando, per WFTV

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 2:30:57am

re: #176 Shiplord Kirel

40 plus casualties in Orlando, per WFTV

Betcha he is “mentally ill” or some other sort of tommyrot. Unless he is an African-American (thug) or any sort of brown person (terrorist).

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Ming5000  Jun 12, 2016 • 2:49:26am

re: #130 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

“What is the sound of one hand typing?”

fap, fap, fap?

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 2:51:25am

The television station just interviewed a mother who has a child in nightclub, and a worker from the nightclub, who both said there was a gunman holed up in the women’s bathroom with hostages. The hospitals in the area are on lockdown.

They noted there was a Puerto Rican Pride event being held in the nightclub at the time.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 12, 2016 • 2:54:34am

nydailynews.com NY Daily News says there may have been 2 shooters, shooting continued for 2 hours, and at least one police officer was being treated for wounds. Usual uncertainty at this point but this is looking very bad.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2016 • 2:55:16am

re: #180 Shiplord Kirel

nydailynews.com NY Daily News says there may have been 2 shooters, shooting continued for 2 hours, and at least one police officer was being treated for wounds. Usual uncertainty at this point but this is looking very bad.

A massacre.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Jun 12, 2016 • 2:56:17am

WFTV is reporting that shooter is deceased.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 12, 2016 • 2:56:31am

The shooter is dead

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 12, 2016 • 2:58:53am
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2016 • 2:59:26am

re: #183 Single-handed sailor

Yep.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 3:00:58am

TV reporter notes the hospital lockdown is probably because the hospital is so close to the nightclub.

She is also speculating that such protocols are now common amongst businesses because mass-shootings have become the norm in America.

They are repeating the Orlando Police Tweeted the single shooter is dead, and the TV reporter said that she has the same information from a source in the police department.

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Alephnaught  Jun 12, 2016 • 3:06:20am

re: #77 Teukka

Yeah, that was I thought of when I saw that shot of Trump hugging the flag.

If we see Trump at the convention touching party banners with the US flag…

From WIkipedia:

The Blutfahne (pronounced [bluːtˈfaːnə]), or Blood Flag, is the Nazi German Swastika flag that was used in the failed Beer Hall Putsch in Munich, Germany on 9 November 1923, during which it became soaked in the blood of one of the SA members who died. It subsequently became one of the most revered objects of the Nazi Party. It was used in ceremonies in which new flags for party organisations were consecrated by the Blood Flag when touched by it.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 3:08:00am

TV reporter: This is the world we live in now… .

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 12, 2016 • 3:08:50am

I won’t even be looking at free republic’s response. Just not up to it.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 3:09:45am

re: #189 Shiplord Kirel

I won’t even be looking at free republic’s response. Just not up to it.

Needs moar gunz. If a good guy had a gun (FFS, this is Florida)… .

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 12, 2016 • 3:29:46am
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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 3:37:32am

TV reporter now repeating rumours from others that there might have been a shooter in one or more of the hospitals (thanks for stoking fear, Channel 9). There is no evidence of any shooter at any of the hospitals.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 3:41:27am

TV Reporter (showing video): They are getting ready to send in a robot to look for bombs. “We live in a time where you never know what someone is doing… .”

Brings up James Holmes and the Boston Marathon bombing… . fear mongering continues.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2016 • 3:48:42am

I have a horrible feeling this is gonna be bad. Really fucking bad, a major massacre.

I hope I’m wrong.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 3:49:19am

gopimplosion.com

A new Website that keeps track of who has endorsed Donald Trump, who didn’t, who rescinded their endorsements, &c.

There are a bunch of funny terms for some of the people who have endorsed Mr. Trump under their names, such as “Lesser Misguided Yankees Player” Paul O’Neil, “Pyongyang for 3” Dennis Rodman, &c.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 3:50:17am

re: #194 Dr Lizardo

I have a horrible feeling this is gonna be bad. Really fucking bad, a major massacre.

I hope I’m wrong.

The television station points out that Orlando Regional Medical Center is full, and the injured are being redirected to Arnold Palmer Hospital (a children’s hospital near them).

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2016 • 3:53:15am

re: #196 Anymouse

The television station points out that Orlando Regional Medical Center is full, and the injured are being redirected to Arnold Palmer Hospital (a children’s hospital near them).

Yeah, I heard that.

I’m watching livestream.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 12, 2016 • 3:57:37am

re: #194 Dr Lizardo

I have a horrible feeling this is gonna be bad. Really fucking bad, a major massacre.

I hope I’m wrong.

Me too. The most ominous indication is the report that the shooting went on for more than 2 hours.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 4:00:10am

wftv.com

Police and FBI press conference is going to start in about two minutes.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 12, 2016 • 4:01:12am

Since we’re not hearing anything about a massive city-wide manhunt, it seems likely the police are satisfied that there
was only one shooter.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 12, 2016 • 4:12:25am

News conference

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 4:12:29am

re: #200 Shiplord Kirel

Since we’re not hearing anything about a massive city-wide manhunt, it seems likely the police are satisfied that tjete was only one shootet.

They are now saying family members can go to the hospitals to get information, but they need to bring ID.

The news reporter notes Orlando Regional Medical Center is the only Level One trauma centre in the region.

The mayor is about to speak, followed by the police and the FBI.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 12, 2016 • 4:15:20am

Multiple dead inside, 42 transported to hospitals.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 4:17:17am

Police commander: There was a single shooter, armed with a rifle, a pistol, and with some sort of device on his person which the police are checking out. Did not give out numbers of dead or wounded, but noted there are a number of dead inside the club.

The Orange County Sheriff is asking anyone who might have seen or heard anything to come to the Orlando Police Department to give a statement.

The sheriff classifies it as a domestic terrorism incident.

Florida Department of Law Enforcement officer is also classifying it as an act of terrorism.

The FBI agent is now speaking, says there is no credible further threat to Orlando. Cautioning the FBI is known for slow, methodical investigations that only follow the facts.

Nine police officers involved in the shooting, one injured, police credit his Kevlar helmet with saving his life.

Reporter asks question: Is this Radical Islamic Terror(tm)? Police: We are looking at every angle.

Forty-two taken to area hospitals and approximately twenty dead. Police are checking four devices. The shooter is not from the area.

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sagehen  Jun 12, 2016 • 4:26:19am

Now they’re saying “around 20” dead.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2016 • 4:27:07am

re: #205 sagehen

Now they’re saying “around 20” dead.

Dammit.

Cop said the shooter “was not from the [local] area”.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 4:28:25am

The police say they chose to go in armed to the club when about fifteen people held hostage in the bathroom took to Facebook to call for help. They and many others were saved when the SWAT team used explosives and firearms to enter the club. There were about 320 people in the club when it opened, they rescued about thirty people.

Next update will be at 9:30 Eastern Time.

Time for me to go to bed. TV talking head weighs in on Radical Islamic Terror (tm) with no evidence of the same. This ought to fuel some nice dreams this morning.

They said he was organised and prepared when he entered the nightclub. They are still checking suspicious devices.

Good night (or day) y’all.

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Nyet  Jun 12, 2016 • 4:33:03am

Hey, does anyone have a quick access to the online OED?

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 4:37:32am

Talking head: Orlando is has many “soft targets” for international terrorists. (Police said there was no credible threat to any of Orlando’s tourist attractions.) Keep up the fear mongering, Channel 9. Other talking head saying “might be Radical Islamic Terror (tm)” again. Might be more people involved (police said they didn’t know the motive, and there are no other people involved).

Going on about Orange County’s intelligence centre, so that if there is an international connexion they can alert authorities in other countries (police said there was no indication of an international connexion).

Talking head: “People get antsy when we report on these situtations.” Yup, you dingbat, especially the way you are reporting on it.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 4:38:48am

re: #208 Nyet

Hey, does anyone have a quick access to the online OED?

Whatcha need?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 12, 2016 • 4:41:04am

re: #162 Ace-o-aces

Oh, so it’s a white guy. I was worried it might be terrorism, but now we know it’s “mental illness”

A Westboro Baptist. Same difference.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 4:42:28am

re: #211 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A Westboro Baptist. Same difference.

Already debunked. The fellow the Twitter post cites is a comedian frequently called out as a terrorist and a Nazi (he is neither), thought the Westboro Baptist Church angle is new. WBC are a bunch of heartless goons, but have never been involved in violence. Daily Stormer and 4chan both perpetuate this rumour about this guy frequently.

Wingnut talking head calling out “Radical Islamic Terror” again, though again the police said they had no information.

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Nyet  Jun 12, 2016 • 4:44:50am

re: #210 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

If possible, the full article for “bunker”. Thanks!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 4:48:24am

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1. A seat or bench (‘serving also for a chest’ Jamieson). Sc.
a1758 A. Ramsay Poems (1844) 91 Ithers frae aff the bunkers sank.
1790 R. Burns Tam o’ Shanter in Poems & Songs (1968) II. 561 A winnock-bunker in the east, There sat aulld Nick.
1818 Scott Heart of Mid-Lothian viii, in Tales of my Landlord 2nd Ser. I. 234 No seat accommodated him so well as the ‘bunker’ at Woodend.
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1831 Hone’s Year-book 1127 Upon the bunker seat of the window they found three bottles.

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2. An earthen seat or bank in the fields. dial.
1805 Leslie of Powis, &c. (Jam.) The fishers..built an open bunkart or seat.
1880 W. H. Patterson Gloss. Words Antrim & Down Bunker, a low bank at a road side, a road side channel.

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a. A receptacle for coal on board ship; sometimes also on land.
1839 Parl. Rep. Steam Vessel Accid. 74 Neither the bunkers nor the coal-hold were cleared out so often as they should be.
1851 Illustr. London News 24 Bunkers to hold 890 tons of coal.
1864 Times 10 Dec. The Cadmus has..her bunkers filled with upwards of 200 tons of coal.
1876 C. H. Davis Polaris Exped. xviii. 450 The bunkers and bulkheads below deck were torn down.
1921 Dict. Occup. Terms (1927) §279 Bunkerman..tips wagons to discharge coal or iron into bunkers at ironworks.
1930 Engineering 16 May 629/3 This conveyor distributes the coal to three bunkers.

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b. pl. = bunker coal n. at Compounds 2.
1883 W. S. Gresley Gloss. Terms Coal Mining Bunkers, steam coal consumed on board ship.
1898 Daily News 18 Apr. 11/5 More money has to be paid for steam, bunkers, and gas coals.
1905 Spectator 28 Jan. 132/1 The annual output has increased very largely since 1870,..and its rate of growth..has been 21/ 2 per cent. per annum (and that of the exports, including bunkers, 41/ 2 per cent. per annum).
1935 Economist 5 Jan. 48/2 Prime unscreened bunkers, 13s. 6d.

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c. = bunker-man n. at Compounds 2.
1924 Census 1921: Classif. Industries §744 Bunker [1927 Dict. Occup. Terms ‘tips coal from baskets or trucks into coal bins or bunkers as they are lowered by hoist… Collier..includes bunker, trimmer, loader’].

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a. Golf: ‘A sandy hollow formed by the wearing away of the turf on the “links”’ (Sc.). Now, an artificial sand-hole with a built-up face; also, any natural obstruction (as water, long grass, etc.) on a golf-course.
1824 Scott Redgauntlet I. x. 204 They sat cosily niched, into what you might call a bunker, a little sand-pit.
1857 Chambers’s Information for People (new ed.) II. 693/2 This club is useful too for elevating a ball..over..bunkers, whins, etc.
1857 H. B. Farnie in J. L. Stewart Golfiana Miscellanea (1887) 119 The surface is dotted over at frequent intervals with sandy holes, technically called bunkers, from two to six feet deep, of irregular forms and sizes.
1867 Cornhill Mag. Apr. 496 A fellow who puts you into a whin or a bunker every other stroke.
1893 H. G. Hutchinson Golfing 60 Sometimes you may be driven to invent hazards, by throwing up banks, cutting bunkers or planting bushes.
1897 Earl of Suffolk et al. Encycl. Sport I. 458/1 Between the teeing-ground and the putting-green should be found, whether they be natural or artificially formed, various ‘hazards’ in the shape of sand-pits or ‘bunkers’.
1897 Earl of Suffolk et al. Encycl. Sport I. 472/1 Bunker, originally a natural sand hole on the golf course. Now used also of artificially made hazards with built-up faces.
1955 Times 17 May 5/6 Mrs. Smith cut her second shot into the rough and put her recovery into a bunker on the right.

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1900 A. Birrell in Cornhill Mag. Mar. 313 If you want to find the natural man at work you must look for him in the bunkers of life.
1905 Westm. Gaz. 28 Oct. 16/1 The Princess frock is a bunker not to be cleared by any economies or adaptations.

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c. A military dug-out; a reinforced concrete shelter.
1939 War Pictorial 13 Oct. 29/2 A Nazi field gun hidden in a cemented ‘bunker’ on the Western front.
1945 Over-All Report(U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey, Europ. War) 30 Sept. 104/1 Germany promised its people ‘bombproof’ shelters for all, and planned the construction of extensive above-ground concrete structures known as ‘bunkers’.
1947 H. Trevor-Roper Last Days of Hitler iv. 117 A curved stair led downwards to a still deeper and slightly larger bunker. This was..Hitler’s own bunker, the stage on which the last act of the Nazi melodrama was played out.
1949 F. Maclean Eastern Approaches iii. iv. 354 The turf-covered ‘bunkers’ in which the Germans and Ustas̆e had made their last stand.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 4:49:17am

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Short for mossbunker n., the menhaden.
1842 J. E. De Kay Zool. N.Y. iv. 260 The Mossbonker… At the east end of the island, they are called Skippangs or Bunkers.
1881 N.Y. Times in G. B. Goode Amer. Fishes (1888) 112 These smacks are engaged in the menhaden or ‘mossbunker’ fishery.
1888 G. B. Goode Amer. Fishes 386 New Jersey uses the New York name with its local variations, such as ‘Bunker’ and ‘Marshbanker’.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 4:50:15am

Now talking about the FBI Fly Team (a special team that can immediately go to a scene they are involved in), whether it is Orlando or Nirobi (lolwut?)

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a. trans. To fill the bunkers of (a steamer) with coal or oil for its own consumption. Also with the coal or oil as object.
1891 Pall Mall Gaz. 19 Jan. 4/1 Many..of the great steamship companies of Liverpool were simply begging for coal to either bunker or cargo their steamers.
1893 Times 11 July 3/6 The ordinary rate of bunkering coal by manual labour.
1925 Blackwood’s Mag. June 836/1 She was bunkered for the twenty-nine days’ run to Batavia.

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b. intr. To take in a supply of coal or oil for consumption on a voyage.
1893 Whitby Gaz. 3 Feb. 2/6 The foreign coaling clause in the outward coal charter bound them to bunker with the agents of the charterers.
1895 Whitby Gaz. 11 Apr. 3/2 We bunkered at Malta at four o’clock in the morning.
1925 Chambers’s Jrnl. Dec. 778/2 There was some delay at Durban, where she bunkered.

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a. Of the ball: to be hit into a bunker. Of a player: to have one’s ball in a bunker.
1886 H. G. Hutchinson Hints on Golf 40 Your adversary is badly bunkered.
1891 H. G. Hutchinson Famous Golf Links v. 56 His ball lofted on Mr. Maitland’s, knocked it out of the hazard, and lay bunkered in its place.
1903 Punch 22 Apr. 283 On..the Golf Links..watching the Colonel, who has been bunkered for the last ten minutes.
1955 Times 19 May 4/7 She was bunkered at the 18th.

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1907 Daily Chron. 17 Aug. 7/2 The point of controversy..is as to how such a hole should be bunkered, or rather as to whether it should be bunkered at all.

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c. fig. (colloq.) To be placed in a situation from which it is difficult to extricate oneself. Also, to place in such a situation.
1894 Baron Ribblesdale in Westm. Gaz. 6 Sept. 4/2 The Liberal peers were powerless. To use a golfing simile, they were bunkered.
1899 Geogr. Jrnl. May 474 In the long narrow ice-bound valleys which lead up from the Hindu Kush to the Pamirs..we were once, to use a familiar term, fairly bunkered.
1905 Westm. Gaz. 27 Dec. 1/3 The truth is that Mr. Balfour is bunkered by his own record.
1917 H. A. Vachell Fishpingle ix, ‘Perhaps you regard golf as a sort of epitome of life?’..’I suppose I do.’ ‘If you found yourself “bunkered”, you would not lose heart?’
1930 G. B. Shaw Apple Cart i. 18 Balbus. Thatll do it. He couldnt face that. Crassus. Yes: thatll bunker him.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 4:51:02am

Comment was too long with the source code, so the formatting’s all verkakte….

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Nyet  Jun 12, 2016 • 4:52:13am

re: #214 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The military one was exactly what I needed, much obliged!

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 4:52:51am

Talking head at Channel 9: The main question: Was this a lone wolf? (The police already said there was only one shooter.) Fear to eleventy!!111!!!uno!!! This is an individual that had ties to Radical Islam (police said no such thing). Says this is a gay nightclub but that doesn’t mean anything.

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Nyet  Jun 12, 2016 • 4:54:25am

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 4:55:16am

And I don’t know what they mean by this:

Pronunciation:
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A stressed “ə” is an “ʌ”—there’s no difference.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 4:58:46am

My newspaper delivery guy just dropped off my morning paper. Chatted a couple minutes, he said he saw on local television clips from Orlando Channel 9 where they were talking about “Radical Islamic Terror.” I pointed out they are making it up as they go along, the police said they had no motive.

Someone needs to tell Channel 9 to quit fear mongering; they are terrorising people in Nebraska with their baseless speculation.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:01:01am

re: #223 Anymouse

My newspaper delivery guy just dropped off my morning paper. Chatted a couple minutes, he said he saw on local television clips from Orlando Channel 9 where they were talking about “Radical Islamic Terror.” I pointed out they are making it up as they go along, the police said they had no motive.

Someone needs to tell Channel 9 to quit fear mongering; they are terrorising people in Nebraska with their baseless speculation.

They will have accomplished their purpose. To the base it’ll be Radical Islamic Terrorism now, no matter who the shooter turns out to be—and Obama never said the magic words—OUTRAGE!!!111!!

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:02:50am

re: #172 TK-421

I had a 1976 Cutlass Salon. It was mint when I bought it (~1990). Looked just like this (without sunroof).

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My first car was a POS van. Bought it for $250 bux. :)

My first car was a ‘61 Ford Galaxie. Black exterior, black interior in the hot Mississippi sun. Was an oven, leaked oil and ate gas.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:07:19am

re: #225 Eventual Carrion

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My first car was a ‘61 Ford Galaxie. Black exterior, black interior in the hot Mississippi sun. Was an oven, leaked oil and ate gas.

We had a ‘63—could be this exact car:

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:10:06am

Interviewing executive director of the Orlando GLBT Center: We don’t deserve this, no community deserves this. You can’t say this is targeted, it could have been been any packed community.

Talking heads then go into fear mongering: Was it because it was Latin Night at the club? Was it because it was Americans? Was it Radical Islamic Terror(tm)? How far does does this go outside Orlando?

Hey guys, how about if you wait until you have real information.

Was it a wingnut who is going on about transgender people in bathrooms? Was it someone who hates liberals? Could he have attacked because he thought they were secret alien lifeforms?

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freetoken  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:11:34am

re: #225 Eventual Carrion

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My first car was a ‘61 Ford Galaxie. Black exterior, black interior in the hot Mississippi sun. Was an oven, leaked oil and ate gas.

Did you have the model with the bucket seats? We did… learned to drive with it.

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sagehen  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:12:43am

re: #227 Anymouse

The only thing we know for sure is it wasn’t because guns. It’s never because guns.

//

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:14:25am

re: #229 sagehen

The only thing we know for sure is it wasn’t because guns. It’s never because guns.

//

Gunz are inanimate objects! Why are liberals always blaming inanimate objects?

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:19:10am

Talking head repeating FBI: This is a domestic terrorism incident, but there is no evidence there are any other people. (Wingnut talking head then says there could be more people.) There is no threat to any other venue in Orlando. (Talking head then says there might be threats to other venues.)

WTF, ABC? Are you trying to imitate FOX News Channel? They already have the wingnut demographic locked up. (Too bad not in rubber rooms.)

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:21:22am

Cue National Rifle Organisation saying “It’s too soon to start talking about these things.”

If President Obama orders the flag to half-staff (as he has done with other mass shootings), cue wingnuts: He is politicising the tragedy!!!!

Witness describing gun: It was a big one. I don’t know much about guns.

Talking heads afterward: Was the shooter speaking English? Did he have an accent? Was he motivated by Radical Islam (tm)? Did he post an agenda on social media? Where was he from?

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Buyers Remorse  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:27:39am

Don’t look at the Drudge headline. A little early for that speculation.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:28:27am

I’m trying to stay calm—remember how long it took them to give up on OKC being Islamic terrorism.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:29:05am

re: #233 Buyers Remorse

Don’t look at the Drudge headline. A little early for that speculation.

Too late. Already saw the derp. No chance at all if Drudge Report’s entirely baseless speculation is wrong they retract the report.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:29:46am

re: #233 Buyers Remorse

Don’t look at the Drudge headline. A little early for that speculation.

Doesn’t matter—it’s establishing the narrative. No actual information will ever supplant it.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:31:17am

re: #236 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Doesn’t matter—it’s establishing the narrative. No actual information will ever supplant it.

Yup, and the local ABC station is leading the pack.

Liberal media my socialistic butt.

Home of the brave. It would appear it is liberals that are the brave. The conservatives, not so much.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:37:03am

The Daily Fail is going all-out on the Islam speculation.
‘We consider this an act of terrorism’: Suspected Islamic extremist shoots dead at least 20 dead at Florida gay club after bursting in ‘wearing a suicide vest’ and taking hostages - injuring a further 42

They use an exact quote to support this, but their attribution is a bit less than precise:

the FBI believe he may have ‘leanings to radical Islamic terrorism’.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:37:28am

Of course, Dylann Roof shot up a church, so that’s “anti-religious terrorism”. But this couldn’t be anti-gay terrorism.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:38:24am

re: #238 Shiplord Kirel

The Daily Fail is going all-out on the Islam speculation.
‘We consider this an act of terrorism’: Suspected Islamic extremist shoots dead at least 20 dead at Florida gay club after bursting in ‘wearing a suicide vest’ and taking hostages - injuring a further 42

They use an exact quote to support this, but their attribution is a bit less than precise:

Of course the police said they had no motive as of yet.

The police are concerned the shooter’s car may also be booby trapped.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:38:50am

re: #238 Shiplord Kirel

The Daily Fail is going all-out on the Islam speculation.
‘We consider this an act of terrorism’: Suspected Islamic extremist shoots dead at least 20 dead at Florida gay club after bursting in ‘wearing a suicide vest’ and taking hostages - injuring a further 42

They use an exact quote to support this, but their attribution is a bit less than precise:

Too late. It is now Islamic terrorism, and even if these bastards did publish a retraction or clarification, it will not budge their readers’ opinions.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:40:27am

Trump must be exultant, you know he isn’t going to wait for facts before jumping all over this.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:40:37am

The cesspool that is the comments section of Brietbart is torn between wanting to round up all Muslims for the Pulse club shooting, and openly celebrating that there are roughly 20 dead and 40 injured members of the LGBT community.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:42:21am

re: #230 Anymouse

Gunz are inanimate objects! Why are liberals always blaming inanimate objects?

The real problem was that the club WAS A GUN-FREE ZONE!!!11!11//

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:42:49am

Talking heads bringing up other domestic terrorist shootings, including Oklahoma City bombing (not Islamic terror), Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting (not Islamic terror), Charleston AME Church shooting (not Islamic terror), then speculates if this is Radical Islamic Terrorism (tm).

Edgar R. Murrow, a lonely nation cries to you… .

Speculating now that the man had leanings toward Radical Islam (the police said no such thing).

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sagehen  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:44:13am

re: #234 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’m trying to stay calm—remember how long it took them to give up on OKC being Islamic terrorism.

I know people who still, to this day, insist that McVeigh and Nichols were somehow connected to some Islamic unindicted co-conspirators.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:45:32am

Just heard it on MSNBC…
“Lone Wolf!!!”

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:46:50am

re: #246 sagehen

There isn’t a whole lot of difference between Christian Identity Sovereign Citizens and ISIS in their capacity for terrorism. I am minded of the picture of the wingnut woman holding a Bible and a rifle side-by-side by a Muslim terrorist holding a rifle and a Qur’an.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:54:19am

New news brief at 9:30 Eastern Time according to the Orlando Police Department.

wftv.com

Ghoul reporters ambushing people coming out of the police station asking family members about their relatives.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:57:13am

re: #246 sagehen

I know people who still, to this day, insist that McVeigh and Nichols were somehow connected to some Islamic unindicted co-conspirators.

Imma emulate the wingnuts. First thing I heard was WBC—that’s it forever! No takesie-backsies! ELEVENTY!!!11!!

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freetoken  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:58:36am

re: #242 Big Beautiful Door

Trump must be exultant, you know he isn’t going to wait for facts before jumping all over this.

Drumpfskind will ply his good-guy-with-a-gun gimmick all over again.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:00:00am

re: #251 freetoken

Drumpfskind will ply his good-guy-with-a-gun gimmick all over again.

Yeah, you’d think that with over two hundred people in a club in Florida there was no one at all that had a gun besides the shooter.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:03:02am

re: #251 freetoken

Drumpfskind will ply his good-guy-with-a-gun gimmick all over again.

If there had been 8 or 10 good guys with guns in that dark, chaotic club, we might have a hundred people dead instead of 20, the cops might still be trading shots with confused hold-outs, and the original perp might have escaped in the confusion.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:06:57am

Governor Rick Scott (R) of Florida is now headed to Orlando.

TV talking heads “this could not be a jilted lover or domestic incident” SMH

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:07:50am

According to Adam Silverman over at Balloon Juice, this is the entire source for the “Radical Islamic Terrorism” angle:

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June 12, 2016 at 8:59 am

@Gimlet: Here’s how that started from the press conference held earlier this AM:

Reporter asks question: Is this Radical Islamic Terror?
Police: We are looking at every angle.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:09:31am

re: #255 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yup. I noted that above when the FBI agent first said it. “We are looking at every angle” becomes Radical Islamic Terror instantaneously.

Well educated television presenter uses Segway as a verb (instead of the correct word “segue”).

Geez, can I get a job as a television presenter with only a high school diploma? I was an Armed Forces Radio DJ once … I can handle English grammar at least.

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makeitstop  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:11:30am

‘Morning, Lizards,

What a way to wake up. My thoughts go out to the LBGT community in Orlando and their families.

Here’s an odd bit to file away for later - my wife has a friend in the area, and according to this friend early word on the street was that it was the act of a white supremacist.

Hearsay, I realize. But not wholly implausible.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:13:35am

[irrelevancy] Is there really such a word as “Islamic”, BTW? Isn’t the adjective “Muslim”? (Or “Moslem” when I was in school.) This just sounds really illiterate to me. [/irrelevancy]

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:13:53am

“This is Orlando. Things like this don’t happen here”

Television wingnuts “Segway” into talking about Boston Marathon bombing again.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:14:16am

re: #258 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

[irrelevancy] Is there really such a word as “Islamic”, BTW? Isn’t the adjective “Muslim”? (Or “Moslem” when I was in school.) This just sounds really illiterate to me. [/irrelevancy]

There is an islamic center near my home, so I guess it is a word.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:17:47am

re: #260 Big Beautiful Door

Speaking as an erotic Romance editor (switching hats from village trustee):

Islamic is considered incorrect. The correct term is “Muslim.”

Un-Islamic or non-Islamic are the reverse of Muslim or Islam.

However, grammar doesn’t pay what it used to.

Wingnuts on TV: We are working to bring the most accurate information to you, and we are working to bring you confirmed information (as they speculate about “Radical Islamic Terrorism (tm)” and bring up a number of unrelated (and non-Muslim) terrorist attacks in the last several years.

Now bringing up a “post 9/11 world”—Home of the brave (RIP).

Hey, they brought up “this is a gay nightclub” (how does a nightclub have a sexual orientation) so they might investigate that connexion.

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ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:20:24am

re: #245 Anymouse

Talking heads bringing up other domestic terrorist shootings, including Oklahoma City bombing (not Islamic terror), Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting (not Islamic terror), Charleston AME Church shooting (not Islamic terror), then speculates if this is Radical Islamic Terrorism (tm).

Edgar R. Murrow, a lonely nation cries to you… .

Speculating now that the man had leanings toward Radical Islam (the police said no such thing).

Domestic Terrorism can mean so many things. I heard one guy say one angle they are looking at is someone that could have it out for the LGBT community, maybe driven by the ‘bathroom law’ issues which is making some people more than a little crazy.

All I know is everyone in American is unsafe anymore when public places are under attack for whatever reason some guy loaded to the teeth with guns decides he needs to make a statement to a group of people.

So lets build a wall to keep the ‘others’ out while we allow the nuts in our own country to have the ability to do what seems to happen weekly now inside the wall.

Yeah, I feel safe…uh huh, sure.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:21:21am

Thanks to BJ again—a live feed to the press conference:

wftv.com

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darthstar  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:21:27am

Holy fucking shit.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:22:32am

Ugh. I’m in a bad mood. Might be a good day to shut off social media. In no mood to see RWNJ reactions of rejoice that gays are dead and rejoice that another terrorist attack can be blamed on the POTUS. It’s coming….

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:25:04am

re: #262 ObserverArt

My wife has asked in the past what I would do if someone invaded our home (we live a long way from the sheriff’s department) since I have a shotgun. I pointed out “if I could get us out of the house I would. I ain’t dying to protect property, that’s why we have insurance.”

She has come around to the idea that might be better than a gun battle in our living room.

The television station reports the shooter is a fellow with a Middle Eastern name (I didn’t catch it) from Port St. Lucie. They then said the FBI said it was Radical Islamic Terrorism (tm) - the FBI did not say that, at least in the press briefing, and I doubt they would tell Channel 9 ABC privately.

Press conference moved back to 10:15 Eastern Time.
wftv.com

Television station is calling the long gun an “automatic rifle.”

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Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:26:04am

Fox “news” is already freaking out about talks of “gun control” and yet the blood has even dried. Assholes.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:26:30am

re: #266 Anymouse

Omar S. Mateen, according to wiki.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:26:33am

re: #222 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And I don’t know what they mean by this:

A stressed “ə” is an “ʌ”—there’s no difference.

Teacher mode ON:

Sorry, there is a slight difference. The stress falls on the first syllable, and that vowel is represented in the International Phonetic Alphabet with /ʌ/. In the unstressed position, the vowel sound (which is almost not voiced at all) is the schwa /ə/, in the IPA.

Brit. /ˈbʌŋkə/ , U.S. /ˈbəŋkər/

Schwa /ə/ is the most common vowel sound in the English language. In American English, it often replaces whatever unstressed vowel is indicated in spelling. for example, /fə ‘tog grə fi/.

Teacher mode OFF.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:26:56am

re: #258 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

[irrelevancy] Is there really such a word as “Islamic”, BTW? Isn’t the adjective “Muslim”? (Or “Moslem” when I was in school.) This just sounds really illiterate to me. [/irrelevancy]

Both are adjectives. Islamic refers to the religion; Muslim refers to the person/people.

Islam/Islamic is like Judaism/Judaic/Jewish (religion) or Christianity/Christian (religion).
Muslim is like Jew/Jewish (person) or Christian (person).

Heh, easy to see how it gets confusing.

Aaannnnd I’m outta here before everyone wakes up and goes nuts (as if they haven’t already). I’m not gonna deal with the hysteria & scare mongering today—I’m just NOT—life is too short. I see everyone here has remained calm & rational, as usual Try not to let whatever happens today give you too much agita.

Later, lizards.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:27:29am

re: #40 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

No dinosaurs were hurt in the docking of the Ark.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:28:07am

Always thought of “Islamic” as pertaining to the religion from its origin, and “Muslim” as a less accurate extension from a particular ethnic group, but spread over the body of adherents of the religion. In the end, everybody works with his idiolect.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:28:25am

good morning Lizards.

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SteelPH  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:28:54am

re: #273 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

good morning Lizards.

What’s so good about it?
/half

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Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:29:57am

re: #266 Anymouse

…snip

Television station is calling the long gun an “automatic rifle.”

That tracks nicely with “automatic Islamic”.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:30:02am

re: #269 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Teacher mode ON:

Sorry, there is a slight difference. The stress falls on the first syllable, and that vowel is represented in the International Phonetic Alphabet with /ʌ/. In the unstressed position, the vowel sound (which is almost not voiced at all) is the schwa /ə/, in the IPA.

Schwa /ə/ is the most common vowel sound in the English language. In American English, it often replaces whatever unstressed vowel is indicated in spelling. for example, /fə ‘tog grə fi/.

Teacher mode OFF.

Exactly—the first vowel should be printed “ʌ” in both. it’s a stressed syllable.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:30:17am

re: #267 Dr. Matt

Fox “news” is already freaking out about talks of “gun control” and yet the blood has even dried. Assholes.

Yeah, I am in favour of titling a gun, in the same manner you title a house or car. Transfer the weapon by any means (through a firearms dealer, a private sale, an inheritance), you change the title.

Screw the scare mongers at FOX News Channel, the National Rifle Association, the Gun Owners of America, and the Republican Party.

They enable this stuff.

Eyewitness: The gun had a large clip. Cue wingnuts “it’s a magazine!!!”

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Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:30:30am

re: #273 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

good morning Lizards.

It’s morning. Not feeling too good about it right now. :|

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MsJ  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:31:58am

re: #231 Anymouse

Talking head repeating FBI: This is a domestic terrorism incident, but there is no evidence there are any other people. (Wingnut talking head then says there could be more people.) There is no threat to any other venue in Orlando. (Talking head then says there might be threats to other venues.)

WTF, ABC? Are you trying to imitate FOX News Channel? They already have the wingnut demographic locked up. (Too bad not in rubber rooms.)

ABC posted a questionable, and what I saw as anti-Hillary, article the other day and then didn’t cover something (that I cannot recall now…I posted it way downstairs a couple of days ago) that every other news outlet did (something positive to Hillary).

Looks like ABC has an agenda to me.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:32:05am

re: #278 Dr. Matt

It’s morning. Not feeling too good about it right now. :|

yeah, just catching up (and waking up) freaking crazy.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:32:19am

re: #276 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Exactly—the first vowel should be printed “ʌ” in both. it’s a stressed syllable.

Maybe the Brits, being all proper and everything, enunciate the “u” better than us Yanks. But I agree with you. It should be /ʌ/ for both.

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ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:32:32am

re: #266 Anymouse

My wife has asked in the past what I would do if someone invaded our home (we live a long way from the sheriff’s department) since I have a shotgun. I pointed out “if I could get us out of the house I would. I ain’t dying to protect property, that’s why we have insurance.”

She has come around to the idea that might be better than a gun battle in our living room.

The television station reports the shooter is a fellow with a Middle Eastern name (I didn’t catch it) from Port St. Lucie. They then said the FBI said it was Radical Islamic Terrorism (tm) - the FBI did not say that, at least in the press briefing, and I doubt they would tell Channel 9 ABC privately.

I’m not going to buy the radical Islam BS in this until I hear someone that has actual proof of such.

What would be the politics of a radical Islamist attacking a LGBT target at 2:00 AM? Maybe they could use it as an example of the evil west but it just doesn’t make sense to me.

Our media should learn how to shut the hell up until they have some actual facts.

I know…it is tough for them when speculation teases those viewer hits better.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:32:47am

Talking heads again saying “the FBI says there is some evidence he was leaning toward radical Islam.” They said no such thing.

C’mon, ABC. You’re supposed to be better than FOX. Why are you lying about what the FBI actually said? Your own reporter was there at the damn interview.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:34:42am

re: #282 ObserverArt

I’m not going to buy the radical Islam BS in this until I hear someone that has actual proof of such.

What would be the politics of a radical Islamist attacking a LGBT target at 2:00 AM? Maybe they could use it as an example of the evil west but it just doesn’t make sense to me.

Our media should learn how to shut the hell up until they have some actual facts.

I know…it is tough for them when speculation teases those viewer hits better.

Remember, its not news, its infotainment.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:35:54am

re: #281 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Maybe the Brits, being all proper and everything, enunciate the “u” better than us Yanks. But I agree with you. It should be /ʌ/ for both.

Plus, this is wrong (or overgeneralized): “U.S. /ˈbəŋkər/”. There are plenty of r-dropping dialects in the U.S.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:36:14am

Meanwhile, in my neck of the woods,

An explosion at Shanghai’s Pudong’s International Airport has injured three people, Chinese officials say.

What appeared to be a homemade explosive blew up near a check-in counter in Terminal Two, state-run news agency Xinhua reported.

It is not yet clear who detonated the explosive or why.

bbc.com

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ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:38:05am

re: #284 Big Beautiful Door

Remember, its not news, its infotainment.

Oh I know…but about 280,000,000 people in America have no clue. They don’t do that crap to get me or you to buy in…we don’t drive those ratings.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:38:45am

re: #285 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Plus, this is wrong (or overgeneralized): “U.S. /ˈbəŋkər/”. There are plenty of r-dropping dialects in the U.S.

Dictionaries default to Received Pronunciation (UK standard) and Standard American Pronunciation, which is basically how most network broadcasters speak in the States. SAP includes the /r/ in final position.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:39:03am

re: #287 ObserverArt

Channel 9 in Orlando reported that President Obama is now receiving a briefing on the Orlando situation.

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darthstar  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:39:36am

If people want to put this on “Radical Islam” that’s fine…but they should first explain why they feel radical Islamists should be allowed to buy assault rifles in the United States.

Meanwhile, there are 20 bodies that aren’t even cold yet in Florida and we don’t know shit about who did it or why.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:41:55am

Incidentally, Orlando was where that young singer, Christina Grimmie, was shot just two days ago.

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ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:43:43am

Local Columbus news just reported former Ohio (Cleveland) Mayor, Governor and Senator George Voinovich has died at age 79.

I will refrain from any political comment at this time.

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darthstar  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:44:21am

re: #292 ObserverArt

Local Columbus news just reported former Ohio (Cleveland) Mayor, Governor and Senator George Voinovich has died at age 79.

I will refrain from any political comment at this time.

I saw that too. Peace to his family.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:44:24am
The suspected gunman was identified by relatives and law enforcement officials as Omar Mateen, a 29-year-old from Fort Pierce, Fla.

washingtonpost.com

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:45:30am

Interviewing a witness from inside the club: There were no arguments or fights just prior, the fellow just started shooting.

Channel 9 notes the President’s briefing was with Homeland Security and has been completed.

The bomb robot is still going through the shooter’s vehicle.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:47:23am

re: #228 freetoken

Did you have the model with the bucket seats? We did… learned to drive with it.

Bench style seats if I remember correctly. My next car, the ‘66 Barracuda, had bucket front seats with gear shift on floor between them. That was one of my favorite cars. Had the heavier 318 in it, hatch back, little tail fins (grandma crushed one backing into it).

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:48:43am

This is horrific. Orlando is a war zone right now.

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Nyet  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:49:46am

I’m afraid there will be more and more acts of terror perpetrated by the Islamist terrorists associated with ISIS since Trump is also their dream candidate.

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darthstar  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:49:53am

re: #172 TK-421

I had a 1976 Cutlass Salon. It was mint when I bought it (~1990). Looked just like this (without sunroof).

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My first car was a POS van. Bought it for $250 bux. :)

Bottle Rockets - 1000 Dollar Car

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:50:04am

Talking heads on TV: The shooter might have just had that place in Port St. Lucie and might not have even been from there. We will continue to give you accurate information.

ABC, the new FOX News, same as the old FOX News.

Brings up Afghanistan.

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jeffreyw  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:52:51am

Imgur
Here’s a hug for those that need it this morning.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:54:18am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:55:37am

re: #296 Eventual Carrion

Bench style seats if I remember correctly. My next car, the ‘66 Barracuda, had bucket front seats with gear shift on floor between them. That was one of my favorite cars. Had the heavier 318 in it, hatch back, little tail fins (grandma crushed one backing into it).

The first car I bought with all my own money looked just like this. I still miss it :-(

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:57:15am

The gun shop owner in town (who is a massive “liberals are out to take our guns” conspiracy theorist) is now on our village board. I cant wait to hear him weigh in on this at the next board meeting aimed at me.

Hillary Clinton tweeted thoughts and prayers for victims.
Donald Trump tweeted police are investigating this as terrorism (at least he didn’t tweet Radical Islamic Terrorism)

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:59:54am

re: #288 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Dictionaries default to Received Pronunciation (UK standard) and Standard American Pronunciation, which is basically how most network broadcasters speak in the States. SAP includes the /r/ in final position.

Also, there’s a letter for “r-colored schwa”: ɚ [/pedant mode]

ETA: stressed version: ɝ

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darthstar  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:01:46am

re: #304 Anymouse

The gun shop owner in town (who is a massive “liberals are out to take our guns” conspiracy theorist) is now on our village board. I cant wait to hear him weigh in on this at the next board meeting aimed at me.

Hillary Clinton tweeted thoughts and prayers for victims.
Donald Trump tweeted police are investigating this as terrorism (at least he didn’t tweet Radical Islamic Terrorism)

I was just about to post to the CBSNews BREAKING STORY on Hillary and Donald’s respective tweets, but your summarizing is so much better than click-bait.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:02:10am

I’m guessing the check was late…

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:02:57am

re: #297 SoundGuy 2016

That’s just a bit hysterical.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:03:35am

re: #305 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Also, there’s a letter for “r-colored schwa”: ɚ [/pedant mode]

Phoneticists are obsessed with all these symbols. I’m lucky to remember the 30 or so I need for teaching EFL.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:03:55am

TV station interviewing a patron from the club, pushing the domestic terrorism angle as a push-question.

He fires back that it is more likely a homophobic incident; they see a gay club and decide to lash out. Gay people don’t do anything to people, it’s the other way round.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:04:27am

re: #307 FormerDirtDart

I’m guessing the check was late…

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Well, I’m glad we got that cleared up. I mean, the election was hanging on that one endorsement.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:05:16am

The name of the shooter is Omar Mateen (sp?). He’s from NY. Cue the anti-Muslim outrage….

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:05:28am

re: #309 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Phoneticists are obsessed with all these symbols. I’m lucky to remember the 30 or so I need for teaching EFL.

I edited it—refresh for the stressed version, like in “bɝd”.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:05:39am

re: #308 Ziggy_TARDIS

Not in the mood for your shit today.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:06:10am

re: #300 Anymouse

Because the kid is from Afghanistan.

Apparently, the family identified him as the shooter too.

Want to bet that the family warned the FBI or someone, and they ignored/forgot about it? That has already happened once (The Northwest Airlines bombing attempt, and 9/11.).

If that turns out to be the case, then the FBI should be broken up.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:06:22am
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Skip Intro  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:06:50am

Well after a very bad week Trump will get a big bump out of this shooting.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:07:03am

re: #314 SoundGuy 2016

Orlando has had 2 unusual incidents in a week. This is an anomaly.

Did not mean for that to come off as snippy.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:07:19am

re: #312 Dr. Matt

The name of the shooter is Omar Mateen (sp?). He’s from NY. Cue the anti-Muslim outrage….

His name doesn’t sound very Muslim to me. Like, Omar Bradley?

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:10:17am

Wingnut presenters going on again about “Orlando is a soft target.” Keep copulating that fear chicken.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:10:59am

re: #257 makeitstop

‘Morning, Lizards,

What a way to wake up. My thoughts go out to the LBGT community in Orlando and their families.

Here’s an odd bit to file away for later - my wife has a friend in the area, and according to this friend early word on the street was that it was the act of a white supremacist.

Hearsay, I realize. But not wholly implausible.

Yeah. If I were betting I would have white supremacists and radical Christian higher up my list of suspected people than radical Islamist.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:11:16am

re: #309 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Phoneticists are obsessed with all these symbols. I’m lucky to remember the 30 or so I need for teaching EFL.

This is a hell of a resource. I’m bookmarking it for sure:

ipa.typeit.org

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:11:59am

CNN decided to add suspect’s middle name, no doubt to sound/appear more “Muslim”…

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:12:39am

Governor Rick Scott of Florida’s official Website has released a short official statement on the shooting.

flgov.com

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darthstar  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:13:56am

re: #320 Anymouse

Wingnut presenters going on again about “Orlando is a soft target.” Keep copulating that fear chicken.

Gay bars, shopping malls, sporting events, movie theaters, fucking even gun shows themselves…everything is a soft target. Having more guns just makes guns more conveniently located for those who wish to do stupid and evil shit with them.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:15:56am

Terrible news to wake up to.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:16:17am

DimJim syncopants have already declared that the shooter is a “registered Democrat”. I’m not kidding.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:17:10am

Reading that Mateen is around 30 and a US citizen, and no prior criminal history.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:17:56am

We will focus on Islam, yes or no? Instead of focusing on religious fundamentalism based on hate, and gun control.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:18:05am

re: #327 Dr. Matt

DimJim syncopants have already declared that the shooter is a “registered Democrat”. I’m not kidding.

But talking about sensible gun legislation is politicizing the tragedy but speculating about the killer’s party registration is just peachy? Fuck Dim Jim and his vile band of assholes.

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ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:18:46am

I love seeing all the old cars everyone drove.

I’ve said it before…those cars are fun for nostalgia but the cars today or so much better in so many ways. They drink less gas, need less maintenance, perform way better and the biggie…so much safer. So much!

This was my first car. Bought it from my brother for $250 and it had slightly more than 200,000 miles on it. I drove it for 4.5 years and got it to about 250,000+.

1964 Pontiac Tempest

1964 Pontiac Tempest. Mine was this color with a nifty white vinyl roof. And it had this little 215 cu. in. 6 cylinder in it.

Bullet-proof 215 In-line 6

I love to drive and always liked a good handling car. The little Tempest with the 6 was perfectly balanced with the light engine. I could throw that car around like a little race car. And the engine had plenty of grunt for the car’s size.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:19:21am

re: #325 darthstar

Gay bars, shopping malls, sporting events, movie theaters, fucking even gun shows themselves…everything is a soft target. Having more guns just makes guns more conveniently located for those who wish to do stupid and evil shit with them.

We did a terrorist attack training exercise when I was at NAS Oceana. A Navy Seal team would attempt to cause havoc on the base; the base was to try and secure themselves from a handful of Seals.

The base put up extra security on the flight line, the armoury, the ordinance storage areas, the fuel dump and LOX farm.

The Seals first captured the base security building (thus cutting off communications for Security). They then captured the Administration building (capturing the base commanding officer), and tossed bags marked “bomb” into the Navy Exchange and the base liquor store and Enlisted Club.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:20:21am

re: #331 ObserverArt

I love seeing all the old cars everyone drove.

I’ve said it before…those cars are fun for nostalgia but the cars today or so much better in so many ways. They drink less gas, need less maintenance, perform way better and the biggie…so much safer. So much!

This was my first car. Bought it from my brother for $250 and it had slightly more than 200,000 miles on it. I drove it for 4.5 years and got it to about 250,000+.

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I love to drive and always liked a good handling car. The little Tempest with the 6 was perfectly balanced with the light engine. I could throw that car around like a little race car. And the engine had plenty of grunt for the car’s size.

I had two cars with inline-6 engines. Ran smooth as silk.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:20:24am

re: #319 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

His name doesn’t sound very Muslim to me. Like, Omar Bradley?

I’m reading that his folks are Afghani immigrants.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:20:27am

Ughhhhh. Rep. Alan Grayson is answering questions until the presser starts. He’s making things worse (in terms of scaring people). Live feed:

Live: Approximately 20 killed in Florida club shooting

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darthstar  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:20:28am

re: #327 Dr. Matt

DimJim syncopants have already declared that the shooter is a “registered Democrat”. I’m not kidding.

It was one of the ‘fast five facts’ from heavy.com about the shooting. The first one was that he’d been engaged by a police officer outside the club, exchanged fire, then ran inside to take hostages…so whether the club was his initial target or not isn’t even known.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:21:33am

re: #336 darthstar

It was one of the ‘fast five facts’ from heavy.com about the shooting. The first one was that he’d been engaged by a police officer outside the club, exchanged fire, then ran inside to take hostages…so whether the club was his initial target or not isn’t even known.

I did see that too.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:21:41am

re: #331 ObserverArt

I love seeing all the old cars everyone drove.

I’ve said it before…those cars are fun for nostalgia but the cars today or so much better in so many ways. They drink less gas, need less maintenance, perform way better and the biggie…so much safer. So much!

This was my first car. Bought it from my brother for $250 and it had slightly more than 200,000 miles on it. I drove it for 4.5 years and got it to about 250,000+.

[Embedded content]

I love to drive and always liked a good handling car. The little Tempest with the 6 was perfectly balanced with the light engine. I could throw that car around like a little race car. And the engine had plenty of grunt for the car’s size.

They’d given up the rear transaxle and speedometer-cable drive by ‘64, right? None of them lasted 250,000 miles, I’m pretty sure.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:21:44am

re: #334 HappyWarrior

I’m reading that his folks are Afghani immigrants.

Oh, swell. Now we’ll be hearing the usual anti-immigrant, Islamophobia bullshit from the usual suspects.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:22:12am

50 dead, 53 hospitalized

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:22:47am

re: #340 FormerDirtDart

50 dead, 53 hospitalized

Jeez

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:22:50am

re: #339 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Oh, swell. Now we’ll be hearing the usual anti-immigrant, Islamophobia bullshit from the usual suspects.

No kidding even though McVeigh and Nichols wre both white guys, that didn’t make people freak out about white people but hey there’s no such thing as white privilege.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:22:56am

Fifty dead, fifty-three injured, according to the police. Mayor asked the state governor to declare a state of emergency.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:23:06am

re: #340 FormerDirtDart

50 dead, 53 hospitalized

Awful.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:23:42am

re: #335 CuriousLurker

If I remember correctly, he has a major scandal in regards to hedge funds, right?

So, he is generally a scumbag.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:23:43am

re: #340 FormerDirtDart

50 dead, 53 hospitalized

Fuckin’ hell. 50 dead?

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darthstar  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:23:44am

re: #343 Anymouse

Fifty dead, fifty-three dead, according to the police. Sheriff asked the state governor to declare a state of emergency.

Jesus…how’d we get from 20 to 50?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:23:53am

Can we please start doing something sensible about guns now? We should have done it years ago but can we please now? Unfortunately, the way so many people are in this country, this will mean more guns.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:24:33am

re: #348 HappyWarrior

Can we please start doing something sensible about guns now? We should have done it years ago but can we please now? Unfortunately, the way so many people are in this country, this will mean more guns.

It’s too early to talk about guns. = NRA

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:25:08am

re: #303 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The first car I bought with all my own money looked just like this. I still miss it :-(

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Always loved wagons.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:25:12am

Jim Hoft wastes no time.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:25:43am

re: #347 darthstar

Jesus…how’d we get from 20 to 50?

It took some time for the police to clear the building to ensure there were no explosive devices or other potential suspects. Now the building is clear, they were able to get an accurate count for the Tree of Liberty being watered by the blood of Tyrant gays.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:25:48am

Now I am scared.

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MsJ  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:25:59am

re: #351 Charles Johnson

Jim Hoft wastes no time.

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There is no tragedy too great to come together on.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:26:15am

re: #351 Charles Johnson

Jim Hoft wastes no time.

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And you claim that advocating for gun control is politicizing the debate and you literally post the killer’s party registration. You’re a fucking ghoul, Hoft. Fuck off with your pal Trump.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:26:21am

re: #352 Anymouse

Worst mass shooting in US History.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:26:33am

#BREAKING: 50 people confirmed dead in shooting at Pulse nightclub in #Orlando, officials say. Another 53 have been hospitalized.

baynews9.com

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:28:49am

re: #351 Charles Johnson

I wonder if he were a member of the NRA. If so, I bet Jim won’t mention it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:29:03am

So to Hoft and friends, people saying there needs to be new laws on guns are politicizing the event but actually bringing the party registration of the killer is just fine. There are literally millions of registered Democrats in this country and literally millions of them haven’t killed anyone or even committed a crime.

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ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:29:20am

re: #338 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They’d given up the rear transaxle and speedometer-cable drive by ‘64, right? None of them lasted 250,000 miles, I’m pretty sure.

Mine was a traditional rear end with transmission up front, yes. I doubt I could have killed that engine. It didn’t use any oil and it started every day…never had an issue. I sold it after I saw all the rust near the rear spring mounting points. She wasn’t going to be long for the world I thought. So, another art student knew the car and wanted it. I sold it to him for $50 with notice about the rust issues. He drove it for another year or so.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:29:27am

re: #358 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I wonder if he were a member of the NRA. If so, I bet Jim won’t mention it.

If he were a white Christian conservative, DJ would be all aboard the mental illness bandwagon.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:29:56am

re: #353 Ziggy_TARDIS

Now I am scared.

I have a Christian Identity church not too far from my home. They know who this atheist, socialist, straight-supporter, liberal village trustee is. (The disadvantage of writing articles for the newspaper.) I also own a very visible car for this area (a Smart).

I didn’t get to bed when I said I was going to … now my dreams will be even worse.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:30:19am

This is honestly why I get so mad during the gun control debate. There’s no desire at all for reason on the other side of the debate.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:33:20am

re: #363 HappyWarrior

This is honestly why I get so mad during the gun control debate. There’s no desire at all for reason on the other side of the debate.

Guns are an American religion.

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Jenner7  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:33:22am

I have no words, only tears.

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ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:33:30am

50!

Damn.

I have nothing.

Edit to add. They have a local Islamic center leader speaking. I don’t know if that is a good idea at this time. To your average American that makes it official it was Islamic Terrorism.

Can’t we wait until we know everything? This type of reporting could cause some other nut to go out and kill Middle Eastern Muslim…actually anyone with some skin color…today.

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makeitstop  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:34:12am

Very graceful statement from the Muslim representative at the presser.

Cautions the media against rushing to judgement and sensationalizing the story. Sadly, that ship sailed a couple of hours ago.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:34:17am

re: #363 HappyWarrior

This is honestly why I get so mad during the gun control debate. There’s no desire at all for reason on the other side of the debate.

That is because from their opinion on the matter, there is no compromise on the issue. Anything is giving up liberty.

The TV station is showing an interview with an imam from Orlando now as part of the press briefing. He is calling on anyone with information to call the FBI or police. He calls on fellow faith leaders, Jewish, Hindu, Christian, or Muslim to pray for the victims.

He is praising the courageous effort of the Orlando Police Department to rescue the hostages. They did a marvellous job in saving as many lives as possible.

He is cautioning the media from rushing to judgement or speculating (that train already left the station hours ago, sir).

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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:34:46am

50 murdered & 50 injured in a gay bar during pride month. I have no words.

I bet I’ll get another email today from my wingnut sister who was trying to warn me that I’d be in danger if I go to the Minneapolis Pride celebration this year. This will play into her worst fears.

This makes me feel sick.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:35:23am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:35:31am

re: #368 Anymouse

That is because from their opinion on the matter, there is no compromise on the issue. Anything is giving up liberty.

The TV station is showing an interview with an imam from Orlando now as part of the press briefing. He is calling on anyone with information to call the FBI or police. He calls on fellow faith leaders, Jewish, Hindu, Christian, or Muslim to pray for the victims.

He is praising the courageous effort of the Orlando Police Department to rescue the hostages. They did a marvellous job in saving as many lives as possible.

He is cautioning the media from rushing to judgement or speculating (that train already left the station hours ago, sir).

I know it. Glad the Imam is doing his thing. Man 50 dead and 50 wounded.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:36:19am

re: #370 FormerDirtDart

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Fuck Patrick.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:36:59am

re: #370 FormerDirtDart

tasteless and heartless fucker

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:37:10am

re: #364 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Guns are an American religion.

Yep. When you start telling yourself that your guns are a divine right, it makes you impossible to reason with.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:37:23am

re: #371 HappyWarrior

This is going to cause a major backlash. I am really afraid right now.

Damn this shooter, how big a fuck up do you have to be to do this?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:38:10am

re: #375 Ziggy_TARDIS

This is going to cause a major backlash. I am really afraid right now.

Damn this shooter, how big a fuck up do you have to be to do this?

Hateful assholes don’t care about those sort of things.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:38:14am

re: #370 FormerDirtDart

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So…IOW, Patrick you asshole—this guy was the Sword of the Faith?

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darthstar  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:38:37am
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ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:38:42am

re: #367 makeitstop

Very graceful statement from the Muslim representative at the presser.

Cautions the media against rushing to judgement and sensationalizing the story. Sadly, that ship sailed a couple of hours ago.

See my comment just above yours. I appreciate the rep, but we should know more in my opinion before getting into Islam, etc.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:39:12am

Patrick does know that Texas is home to thousands of LGBT citizens or him and his crooked Governor Abbott again still under the delusion that they’re the governor and lt governor only for TCOT.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:39:18am

re: #376 HappyWarrior

Hateful assholes don’t care about those sort of things.

Some of these hateful assholes want a backlash.

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Archangelus  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:40:02am

re: #372 HappyWarrior

Fuck Patrick.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:40:10am
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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:40:24am

re: #378 darthstar

Fuck Chuck Todd with a rusty pitchfork.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:40:32am

Even if this guy turns out to be an anti-gay maniac, and that was his only motivation, his ethnicity makes it “Radical Islamic Terrorism”.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:40:36am

re: #378 darthstar

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Politicize, they use that word so many times after this tragedy, they don’t know what it means. A gay nightclub was targeted by a religious fanatic. How can that not be politicized in some way?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:40:55am

re: #376 HappyWarrior

I’m waiting to hear from the family. I want to know if they warned anyone.

This is also the first terror attack that has risen above the background noise of Mass Shootings since 9/11. Looks to be similar to what happened in Bataclan Theatre.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:40:57am

re: #381 Dr Lizardo

Some of these hateful assholes want a backlash.

Yep, there’s that too. That’s ISIS’s wet dream.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:41:38am

re: #385 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Even if this guy turns out to be an anti-gay maniac, and that was his only motivation, his ethnicity makes it “Radical Islamic Terrorism”.

Correct unfortunately.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:42:40am

re: #385 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’m thinking Taliban Sympathizer, unfortunately.

We killed Akhtar Mansour, leader of the Taliban, about 3 weeks ago.

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darthstar  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:44:13am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:44:17am

re: #390 Ziggy_TARDIS

I’m thinking Taliban Sympathizer, unfortunately.

We killed Akhtar Mansour, leader of the Taliban, about 3 weeks ago.

A mass attack on gay nightclub in reprisal for a Taliban leader’s death sounds odd to me. Not saying you’re definitely wrong but from what I can gather, the guy was a straight up bigoted asshole towards gay people.

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darthstar  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:44:58am

re: #384 stpaulbear

Fuck Chuck Todd with a rusty pitchfork.

turned sideways.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:45:32am

re: #393 darthstar

turned sideways.

with paprika on his backside.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:45:42am

re: #392 HappyWarrior

Well, the Taliban are bigoted assholes against those who are gay.

Among many, many others.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:46:14am

Well watched Zootopia with my niece last night. It’s a cute movie. I think it’s one that everyone can enjoy.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:46:59am

re: #395 Ziggy_TARDIS

Well, the Taliban are bigoted assholes against those who are gay.

Among many, many others.

I know but why not a target more like police or military? Of course, people at the nightclub were definitely not going to be armed which makes it easier.

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ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:47:28am

Guy’s father said it had nothing to do with religion.

Problem is if it was hatred of the LGBT community it probably was because of religious teachings.

And please…that could mean any religion. We have this same thinking with Christian fundies.

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darthstar  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:49:23am
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Bass Reeves  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:49:25am

re: #395 Ziggy_TARDIS

If the guy was born of immigrant parents, I’d have a hard time believing him a Taliban sympathizer, since his parents probably fled to escape them.

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makeitstop  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:49:50am

CNN running full speed with the ‘possible Islamic terrorism’ hook.

Fuckers. Never ever gonna walk this shit back, even if they turn out to be 100% wrong. Media in this country makes me sick.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:50:00am

And if this turns out to be an attack motivated by bills such as North Carolina’s HB-2 and Republican bathroom panic, it will be buried immediately by the right-wing blogosphere and FOX News just as fast as Carly Fiorina’s fear mongering about Planned Parenthood selling baby parts motivating the shooting in Colorado Springs.

They are stochastic terrorists. They spew agitprop and then when something happens, they claim they couldn’t have known that a “lone wolf” went off the rails.

The television station is still banging the “Islamic terrorist” drum - stay classy ABC since there has been no official statement to that effect.

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Bass Reeves  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:50:48am

re: #396 HappyWarrior

I…had issues with Zootopia. I watched it in the theatre with my daughter, who loved it. I spent the whole time tweeting my wife asking what was up with all these racist animals.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:51:15am

re: #400 Bass Reeves

If the guy was born of immigrant parents, I’d have a hard time believing him a Taliban sympathizer, since his parents probably fled to escape them.

Children do rebel against their parents in strange ways but I agree with you, I think it’s unlikely too.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:51:37am

re: #401 makeitstop

Eventually, the media shenanigans will get someone killed.

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darthstar  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:51:43am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:51:48am

re: #403 Bass Reeves

I…had issues with Zootopia. I watched it in the theatre with my daughter, who loved it. I spent the whole time tweeting my wife asking what was up with all these racist animals.

I thought that was the point.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:52:30am

re: #406 darthstar

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Tequillah! But yeah I was reading some quotes form the father earlier that apparently what set him off was seeing men kissing in Miami.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:52:38am

re: #405 Ziggy_TARDIS

Eventually, the media shenanigans will get someone killed.

They already have (Colorado Springs).

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:53:43am

This is hate towards LGBT, gun culture, access to weapons.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:54:10am

re: #398 ObserverArt

I would be curious to see this monster’s internet history and similar.

There is a Deobandi Imam in the DFW area. Part of me is itching to start asking questions to him.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:55:29am

re: #409 Anymouse

True, but I am talking something more like this or this.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:56:37am

A lot of homophobia is secular. Hear me out, I’m not saying secularism causes homophobia, I’m saying there’s a lot of non-religious rationale behind homophobia that does exist. In fact, I think that’s what a lot of homophobia really is- discomfort around gay people and feeling grossed out by ‘two guys fucking.’

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:57:07am

re: #413 HappyWarrior

Or as I like to call it, 4chan and Reddit.

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MsJ  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:57:09am

re: #390 Ziggy_TARDIS

I’m thinking Taliban Sympathizer, unfortunately.

We killed Akhtar Mansour, leader of the Taliban, about 3 weeks ago.

I think its far too soon to think something like that. You’re assigning this as the reason because, what, his parents were from Afghanistan? Don’t feed into the hysteria. It’s completely not helpful.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:57:09am

re: #412 Ziggy_TARDIS

True, but I am talking something more like this or this.

Well, as far as I know, the media did not motivate Oklahoma City or Oslo attacks.

On the other hand, giving Carly Fiorina a platform to spew lies about Planned Parenthood, giving Governor Pat McCrory of North Carolina a platform to spew lies about transgender individuals absolutely did.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:57:12am

re: #394 HappyWarrior

with paprika on his backside.

Habanero sauce

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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:58:11am

re: #398 ObserverArt

Guy’s father said it had nothing to do with religion.

Problem is if it was hatred of the LGBT community it probably was because of religious teachings.

And please…that could mean any religion. We have this same thinking with Christian fundies.

Yes. When I’ve been hassled by adults (kids of bigoted parents will be kids), it’s always been by Christian fundies - ‘Love the sinner hate the sin’ types who obviously hate the ‘sinner’. They are the ones that will come to a Pride celebration in a cloud of self-righteousness to try to make everyone feel like shit.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:58:25am

I scanned several websites’ comments to gauge. It’s pretty much what you would expect—except even aljazeera and NPR sites are flooded with Trump-supporting dumbasses. I’m going to take my visiting parents for a drive and lunch; if I watch any tv in the next days it’s going to be euro 2016 matches. Incredible goal by Croatian striker to defeat Turkey!

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Frankie Five Angels  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:58:28am

re: #383 Anymouse

As a Texan, I am truly sorry that that man breathes our air.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:58:34am

re: #331 ObserverArt

I love seeing all the old cars everyone drove.

I’ve said it before…those cars are fun for nostalgia but the cars today or so much better in so many ways. They drink less gas, need less maintenance, perform way better and the biggie…so much safer. So much!

This was my first car. Bought it from my brother for $250 and it had slightly more than 200,000 miles on it. I drove it for 4.5 years and got it to about 250,000+.

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I love to drive and always liked a good handling car. The little Tempest with the 6 was perfectly balanced with the light engine. I could throw that car around like a little race car. And the engine had plenty of grunt for the car’s size.

This is the car I really miss:

When it got Volvoed to death I bought a schoolbus yellow one—it was never quite the same:

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:59:10am

re: #416 Anymouse

I wan meaning in scale, but I should have been clearer. Sorry.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:59:30am

Every time shit like this happens, I wonder what it’s going to take for our politicians to actually do something other than offer useless prayers and platitudes. That Ryan tweet really set me off. And a lot of other people too, it seems. Fuck that noise.

Now I have a benefit for challenged kids to go volunteer for. Seeing their smiling faces will help me forget what happened, at least for the time being.

Bug you all later!

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:59:53am
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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:00:15am

re: #418 stpaulbear

Yes. When I’ve been hassled by adults (kids of bigoted parents will be kids), it’s always been by Christian fundies - ‘Love the sinner hate the sin’ types who obviously hate the ‘sinner’. They are the ones that will come to a Pride celebration in a cloud of self-righteousness to try to make everyone feel like shit.

Sorry for going off topic.

I went to the first Nebraska Panhandle Gay Pride Picnic last year as the only government official of any level there (my wife could not go as she was at work at the library). I will go again this year, but it makes me shudder that some wingnut with a grudge could attack a park.

TV still copulating with that chicken, bringing up the Boston Marathon bombing again.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:01:22am

For some reason the logistics of the aftermath of this horrible act have occupied my mind.
Aside from the gathering blood donations and moving them to local hospitals, the local coroner in likely laying on a number of refrigerated trailers…
This something normally done after passenger aircraft go down.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:01:34am

I fear that the 50 death toll will likely rise since 53 are still be treated. This is a fucking nightmare.

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mmmirele  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:03:04am

On my way out the door to picket Mark Driscoll’s “House of Grifting” (can’t bring myself to call it a church) over in Scottsdale.

When Driscoll was in Seattle, he was very much a macho, macho man, and also very anti-LGBT. In certain segments of American society, anti-LGBT hostility is part and parcel of life. And it needs to be confronted.

Today, though, I’m just going to talk about the mess Driscoll left behind in Seattle. See you on the flip side.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:03:29am

re: #426 FormerDirtDart

I’ll be giving blood tomorrow.

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Nyet  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:04:31am

re: #413 HappyWarrior

A lot of homophobia is secular. Hear me out, I’m not saying secularism causes homophobia, I’m saying there’s a lot of non-religious rationale behind homophobia that does exist. In fact, I think that’s what a lot of homophobia really is- discomfort around gay people and feeling grossed out by ‘two guys fucking.’

Absolutely. But to do something like this usually takes religion.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:05:11am

re: #430 Nyet

Absolutely. But to do something like this usually takes religion.

True that. In any case, man this is just awful.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:05:50am

Interview with a witness: He was a messed up guy, a Hispanic. He laughed.

Great. More grist for Donald Trump and the Trumpettes.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:06:25am

When Donald Trump announced that Monday would be his yoge anti-Clinton speech, cynically I thought what were the chances that some major news event would take priority. I wish it wasn’t this.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:06:50am

re: #432 Anymouse

Interview with a witness: He was a messed up guy, a Hispanic. He laughed.

Great. More grist for Donald Trump and the Trumpettes.

Fucked up because surely there were probably some Hispanic victims given where this happened.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:08:19am

re: #429 Ziggy_TARDIS

It helps that I can’t fast. Having talked to a number of Imams, friends, and Doctors, they all have said that I should not, given that my mental state can be very touchy even at the best of times.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:08:42am

re: #433 Dr. Matt

When Donald Trump announced that Monday would be his yoge anti-Clinton speech, cynically I thought what were the chances that some major news event would take priority. I wish it wasn’t this.

I’m going to feel really cynical about our fellow Americans if this tragedy helps him in any way.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:08:45am

re: #432 Anymouse

Interview with a witness: He was a messed up guy, a Hispanic. He laughed.

Great. More grist for Donald Trump and the Trumpettes.

All them swarthy types are Hispanic—dontcha know nothin’?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:08:49am

re: #434 HappyWarrior

Not to mention the number of casualties.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:09:12am

The BBC has a live feed going for updates, if you’re wanting more level-headed reporting.

bbc.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:09:37am

re: #438 Ziggy_TARDIS

Not to mention the number of casualties.

I’m including both the dead and wounded among the victims. So yeah 100 people, there’s bound to be at least one person who is Hispanic there.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:09:46am


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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:09:56am

And we haven’t even heard Trump’s pal Alex Jones opinion yet. Agh.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:10:50am

re: #441 Dr. Matt

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Yeah fuck you Sessions too. The guy was an American citizen and got access to weapons with laws that you’re okay with.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:11:07am

re: #413 HappyWarrior

A lot of homophobia is secular. Hear me out, I’m not saying secularism causes homophobia, I’m saying there’s a lot of non-religious rationale behind homophobia that does exist. In fact, I think that’s what a lot of homophobia really is- discomfort around gay people and feeling grossed out by ‘two guys fucking.’

Let me fix that for you.

A lot of homophobia is secular conservatives. I’m not saying seculism conservatism causes homophobia, I’m saying there is a lot of non-religious conservative rationale behind homophobia that does exist.

Number of politicians copulating with chickens who are secular (meaning not motivated by religion for politics) creating bathroom panic laws: zero.

Number of politicians who are liberals copulating with said-same chickens: zero.

Nope, try again. Homophobia is entirely a religious and conservative issue. (This straight atheist liberal politician has a nice little marriage equality sticker on the back of his car, and lives in a deeply red area of a red state. Guess who is much more likely in danger? The dude with a gun rack driving a pickup truck, or me?)

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:12:26am

re: #440 HappyWarrior

Same thought process.

I have heard casualties being used for both killed and injured.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:13:41am

re: #444 Anymouse

Let me fix that for you.

Number of politicians copulating with chickens who are secular (meaning not motivated by religion for politics) creating bathroom panic laws: zero.

Number of politicians who are liberals copulating with said-same chickens: zero.

Nope, try again. Homophobia is entirely a religious and conservative issue. (This straight atheist liberal politician has a nice little marriage equality sticker on the back of his car, and lives in a deeply red area of a red state. Guess who is much more likely in danger? The dude with a gun rack driving a pickup truck, or me?)

No doubt. I definitely think homophobia is right wing. When I said secular, I meant not religious in origin. Some of these people are just flat out disgusted by teh fact that gay people exist. It’s definitely right wing.

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Jenner7  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:13:47am

What is worse, that he was motivated by terrorists or his hatred for gays…or both?

Or does it matter?

I got nothing, guys. I’m just so fucking tired of this.

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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:13:59am

re: #302 FormerDirtDart

Urgent need for O Negative, O Positive and AB Plasma blood donors. oneblood.org or call 1.888.9Donate

One irony here is that The Red Cross won’t take blood donations from any gay man who’s had any sexual contact with another man within the last year.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:14:11am

re: #445 Ziggy_TARDIS

Same thought process.

I have heard casualties being used for both killed and injured.

I have too. Anyhow, 100 dead and wounded. Fuck me.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:15:22am

re: #441 Dr. Matt

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Per the BBC, the FBI says no.

Officials investigating the shooting say they are “confident” there are no additional threats to the US.

“We feel confident there are no immediate threats to the area or the United States of America,” says FBI special agent Ronald Hopper.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:15:31am

re: #440 HappyWarrior

I’m including both the dead and wounded among the victims. So yeah 100 people, there’s bound to be at least one person who is Hispanic there.

Since many of the people at the club were celebrating Puerto Rican Pride, there’s likely more than at least one.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:15:55am

re: #445 Ziggy_TARDIS

Same thought process.

I have heard casualties being used for both killed and injured.

“Casualties” is supposed to mean: killed + wounded + captured + missing. The general public thinks it just means “killed”. It’s kind of like the bogus meaning of “theory” as “wild-assed guess.” Drives me nuts.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:15:58am

re: #450 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Per the BBC, the FBI says no.

What does the FBI know, Senator I once joked that I liked the KKK until I found out they liked weed is on the case.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:16:19am

re: #451 Backwoods_Sleuth

Since many of the people at the club were celebrating Puerto Rican Pride, there’s likely more than at least one.

Yeah then definitely.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:16:48am

re: #378 darthstar

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Chuck Todd; The Hackiest of Hacks.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:18:24am

re: #452 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I understand all of those!

Part of me doesn’t what to go to work today. People at work know I am Muslim.

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plansbandc  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:18:53am

re: #455 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Yeah, I had to turn the TV off when he came on.

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nines09  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:19:16am

I was out late last night playing and having a good time. Woke up late, switched on the tube and see this horror. I’ll go out on a limb and suggest that every person with a voice, some power and influence, secular or religious, who publicly denounced homosexuality as a sin and worse and called for “judgement” are culpable. Every news person who had a hateful anti gay bigot speak on their show unabated, and spew their hate on viewers as truth, is culpable. Every simple everyday person who did not stand in defense of the rights of others is culpable. This is the fruit it bears. I’m so sick of this. So fucking sick of it.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:19:34am

Fucking Peter King…

“He was from Afghanistan and was trained in the use of weapons — that’s as far as I’ll go,” the New York Republican said Sunday morning.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:20:07am

I came home this evening from a graduation dinner, where I bid farewell to students I had taught when they were freshmen and sophomores. And while they are fanning out across China, I know there’s a chance we’ll see each other again.

Then I find out about a mass shooting in Orlando, and think about how those victims’ teachers and loved ones will never see them again.

Tragic only begins to describe that situation.

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Bass Reeves  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:20:16am

re: #446 HappyWarrior

I kind of have a hard time parsing that one as well. I can’t see any mental/emotional justification for homophobia based on secular reasoning. The only justification for it on the religious side is cherry picking the OT.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:20:44am

re: #459 FormerDirtDart

Fucking Peter King…

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Is this the IRA King? He should know from terrorism, all right!

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nines09  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:21:10am

And the wall of “I hope he’s a Muslim terrorist” is about to fall on us.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:21:55am

I have to go to bed, lizards. Be valiant and kind.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:22:23am

re: #462 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Is this the IRA King? He should know from terrorism, all right!

The very same. He’s such a fucking hypocrite when it comes to this shit.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:22:37am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:24:15am

re: #461 Bass Reeves

I kind of have a hard time parsing that one as well. I can’t see any mental/emotional justification for homophobia based on secular reasoning. The only justification for it on the religious side is cherry picking the OT.

I must concede that I phrased what I meant horribly. I won’t be surprised at all if he’s religiously inspired but what my point is that there are a lot of people who use non-religious rationale for their hatred of gays. In fact, a lot of people think the religious rationale for hating gays isn’t religious at all but the personal discomfort of the cleric with homosexuality. It’s kind of like how it’s absurd for the right to defend anti-gay bullying as “religious freedom.”

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nines09  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:24:26am

re: #462 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Is this the IRA King? He should know from terrorism, all right!

Yes. That one. But the blood on his hands was “deserved.” Legit. Blah blah. He should’ve be brought up on charges years ago for sponsoring terrorism.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:24:45am

re: #466 SoundGuy 2016

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No such thing as a hate crime, just ask the right!/

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:26:02am

re: #465 HappyWarrior

The very same. He’s such a fucking hypocrite when it comes to this shit.

I get him and the idiot from Iowa mixed up….

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:26:05am

re: #468 nines09

Yes. That one. But the blood on his hands was “deserved.” Legit. Blah blah. He should’ve be brought up on charges years ago for sponsoring terrorism.

What’s fucked is he only turned on Sinn Fein is because he hated that Gerry Adams and Sinn Fein were against the Bush administration’s foreign policy. IT wasn’t a come to Christ moment, it was that he hated that Sinn Fein doesn’t share his hatred of Muslims.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:26:21am

re: #470 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I get him and the idiot from Iowa mixed up….

That’s Steve and he’s even worse.

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jaunte  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:27:08am
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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:27:23am

The zeal and ferocity in blaming Islam for this hate crime is because american religious fundamentalism has so much in common with fundamentalist islam.

If you can make your ‘same’ look to be different and associate with others you don’t have to reconcile it.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:27:28am

re: #467 HappyWarrior

I must concede that I phrased what I meant horribly. I won’t be surprised at all if he’s religiously inspired but what my point is that there are a lot of people who use non-religious rationale for their hatred of gays. In fact, a lot of people think the religious rationale for hating gays isn’t religious at all but the personal discomfort of the cleric with homosexuality. It’s kind of like how it’s absurd for the right to defend anti-gay bullying as “religious freedom.”

A lot—most of—MRAs and GamerGaters are atheists. And anti-gay as fuck.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:27:59am

New information about the shooter.

St. Lucie County records show Mateen successfully petitioned for dissolution of his marriage to Sitora Yusufiy in 2011.

Part of me wants to see her side of the divorce story.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:28:16am

re: #473 jaunte

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Leave it for Abbott-Patrick to make Rick Perry look like a somewhat decent functioning human being. Hopefully, they will be the political death of the Texas GOP’s domination of the governor’s mansion.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:28:38am

re: #475 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

A lot—most of—MRAs and GamerGaters are atheists. And anti-gay as fuck.

That was my point, thanks.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:29:02am

re: #474 SoundGuy 2016

Having met Wahhabis and Deobandis on my side, and having in the past been Evangelical and Southern Baptist, I can confirm this with 100% certainty.

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nines09  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:29:19am

re: #471 HappyWarrior

He still angles for people to get murdered with his hate. He’s vile. Petty, small and vile.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:30:31am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:31:05am

re: #480 nines09

He still angles for people to get murdered with his hate. He’s vile. Petty, small and vile.

Yep he really is

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Jenner7  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:31:39am
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MsJ  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:31:47am
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Frankie Five Angels  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:32:30am

re: #483 Jenner7

How does that work? Do gays walk around with ID cards?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:33:16am

re: #481 Frankie Five Angels

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He’s a piece of shit.A crooked and bigoted piece of shit who cares more about being popular on TCOT than he does being governor for all his states citizens.

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Jenner7  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:34:17am

Facebook Post

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Frankie Five Angels  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:34:32am

re: #486 HappyWarrior

And he’s my governor as I live in Texas. He’s a disgrace.

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ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:34:55am

Damn. Local NBC just dropped NBC national coverage of the Orlando mess to go to the prepaid Joel Osteen show.

I guess we know who has the power. The Bucks. As expected.

Speaking of media. NBC is set to cover the Canadian Grand Prix today. I wonder if that will get dropped for more NBC national coverage. I can understand if it does…so I am prepared to be ready to check other NBC properties for them to pick it up live.

But Joel Osteen? Really?

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:35:35am

re: #446 HappyWarrior

No doubt. I definitely think homophobia is right wing. When I said secular, I meant not religious in origin. Some of these people are just flat out disgusted by teh fact that gay people exist. It’s definitely right wing.

Yeah, and when organisations like CPAC tell David Silverman of American Atheists are not welcome at their events, or the GOP holds forth that it the country is a Christian nation, how again does that translate to “secular.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:35:36am

re: #488 Frankie Five Angels

And he’s my governor as I live in Texas. He’s a disgrace.

My sincere condolences. Every time I see this moron’s tweets, I am astonished that he got elected and won big.

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jaunte  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:35:59am
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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:36:06am

re: #485 Frankie Five Angels

How does that work? Do gays walk around with ID cards?

You have to fill out a questionnaire before donating blood. There are lots of things that, if you answer positively, you’re shown the door. You could easily lie and they wouldn’t know, but just no to that.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:37:34am

re: #490 Anymouse

Yeah, and when organisations like CPAC tell David Silverman of American Atheists are not welcome at their events, or the GOP holds forth that it the country is a Christian nation, how again does that translate to “secular.”

Should I have said non-religious? Listen, I’m Agnostic myself. You’re reading me wrong. I’m saying that a lot of anti-gay people use non-religious rationale for their hatred of gay people. Homophobia is definitely more of a problem among hte religious than non-religious.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:39:14am

Proposal: Every media outlet must shut the fuck up for 24 hours while law enforcement gathers information. No more getting it first before getting it right.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:39:15am

re: #475 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

A lot—most of—MRAs and GamerGaters are atheists. And anti-gay as fuck.

How many Gamergaters and MRA’s are there? A few hundred? maybe a few thousand? And all of them are “secular?”

How many gay-haters and bathroom panic people are Christians?

I’ll take “statistics” for $1,000, Alex.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:39:29am

re: #476 Ziggy_TARDIS

New information about the shooter.

Part of me wants to see her side of the divorce story.

Yeah, I’m kinda curious too.

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nines09  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:39:58am

re: #493 stpaulbear

You have to fill out a questionnaire before donating blood. There are lots of things that, if you answer positively, you’re shown the door. You could easily lie and they wouldn’t know, but just no to that.

I’m old enough to remember seeing all the junkies in line to sell blood years ago. They would go in with scars up and down their arms and elsewhere and be paid to give blood. That was before we figured out HIV and Hep C. That was a large part of why those two virus’s went large.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:41:00am

re: #494 HappyWarrior

Should I have said non-religious? Listen, I’m Agnostic myself. You’re reading me wrong. I’m saying that a lot of anti-gay people use non-religious rationale for their hatred of gay people. Homophobia is definitely more of a problem among hte religious than non-religious.

Yeah, I haven’t seen that. While anti-gay people might use non-religious rationale, that doesn’t make them non-religious.

Religious people also try to use science to prove the existence of (some) god.

Try again.

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b_sharp  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:41:06am

And of course CTV has an analyst on who thinks everyone should open carry. “it wouldn’t be like the old west because we have examples of people saving others “(paraphrase) Stupid news media in Canada are all moving right. Boneheads.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:41:09am

Someone just retweeted this, almost a year old

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:41:16am

re: #493 stpaulbear

You have to fill out a questionnaire before donating blood. There are lots of things that, if you answer positively, you’re shown the door. You could easily lie and they wouldn’t know, but just no to that.

I had heard that were being slow steps taken to change that policy.

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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:43:09am

I just went over to gay site JoeMyGod to see what info they have about the shooting. The site is running poorly and crashing. He must be deluged with traffic this morning.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:43:11am

If you think the people in that club should’ve been armed and that it would’ve stopped this, you are not capable of any rational thought.

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nines09  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:44:00am

re: #501 FormerDirtDart

Someone just retweeted this, almost a year old

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Absolute truth.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:44:31am

re: #496 Anymouse

How many Gamergaters and MRA’s are there? A few hundred? maybe a few thousand? And all of them are “secular?”

How many gay-haters and bathroom panic people are Christians?

I’ll take “statistics” for $1,000, Alex.

There are a lot more than that. We Hunted the Mammoth is a real education.

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blueraven  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:45:01am

Rep Adam Schiff (D) said he has heard suspect made a pledge of allegiance to ISIS.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:45:29am

re: #504 Frankie Five Angels

If you think the people in that club should’ve been armed and that it would’ve stopped this, you are not capable of any rational thought.

The gun battle would still be raging—if they hadn’t called in an airstrike by now.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:45:56am

re: #506 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

There are a lt more than that. We Hunted the Mammoth is a real education.

More gamergaters than wingnut Christians? On that Daily Double, I’ll bet everything I have, Alex.

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nines09  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:46:26am

re: #507 blueraven

Rep Adam Schiff (D) said he has heard suspect made a pledge of allegiance to ISIS.

The Egyptian Goddess? That’s how much sense that makes. Never too early to fear monger.

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ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:46:46am

re: #494 HappyWarrior

Should I have said non-religious? Listen, I’m Agnostic myself. You’re reading me wrong. I’m saying that a lot of anti-gay people use non-religious rationale for their hatred of gay people. Homophobia is definitely more of a problem among hte religious than non-religious.

Happy, I understand what you are trying to say. However, what created the base hatred of gays in American but religion? It is the the root as far as I can tell…what else would it be? Biology and science education? I don’t think so. To me it is learned and if you could find the root to anyone thinking like that it may come from someone else they learned it from and they could be the one with the “because God hates gays” thinking.

The other thing, some may say it isn’t religious to protect their religion.

Just a thought.

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jaunte  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:46:52am

re: #507 blueraven

‘pledge of allegiance’

Yeah, that sounds super ISISey.

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electrotek  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:47:40am

This piece of shit

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:47:56am

re: #509 Anymouse

More gamergaters than wingnut Christians? On that Daily Double, I’ll bet everything I have, Alex.

I didn’t say there were more. Happy Warrior said a lot of virulent anti-gay people are not religiously motivated, and are in fact atheists. And he’s right.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:48:05am

re: #507 blueraven

Rep Adam Schiff (D) said he has heard suspect made a pledge of allegiance to ISIS.

Got a source? Actually interested in reading it from a first source, since it is not on his Website.

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jaunte  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:48:27am
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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:48:38am

re: #502 HappyWarrior

I had heard that were being slow steps taken to change that policy.

One year IS the new policy. Last time I tried to donate they asked if I’d had sex since the AIDS crisis began (I can’t remember the precise date, but it was before I’d even come out).

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Jenner7  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:49:40am
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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:50:19am

re: #514 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I didn’t say there were more. Happy Warrior said a lot of virulent anti-gay people are not religiously motivated, and are in fact atheists. And he’s right.

Got numbers of those virulent anti-gay atheists? A few score in a country of three hundred twenty million people? Versus how many anti-atheist and anti-gay Christians?

I’ll go with “false equivalence and rationalisation” for $1,000, Alex.

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jaunte  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:50:37am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:50:54am

re: #511 ObserverArt

Happy, I understand what you are trying to say. However, what created the base hatred of gays in American but religion? It is the the root as far as I can tell…what else would it be? Biology and science education? I don’t think so. To me it is learned and if you could find the root to anyone thinking like that it may come from someone else they learned it from and they could be the one with the “because God hates gays” thinking.

The other thing, some may say it isn’t religious to protect their religion.

Just a thought.

The root? Yeah absolutely it’s religion most of the time. I will point out though that Stalin’s USSR, Mao’s PRC, and other secular states have been none too friendly to LGBT people over teh years eitehr. I definitely think that religion causes homophobia, however i also feel that homophobia can and does exist without religion. Taht is to say I think many use religion as an excuse for their homopobia that already exists independent of religion. Religion often makes things worse as I saw in the God Loves Uganda documentary but I think some homophobia is rooted in the individual’s own hatreds and mind problems that are present without religion. That said, I am NOT giving religion a pass for homophobia at all.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:51:13am

re: #517 stpaulbear

One year IS the new policy. Last time I tried to donate they asked if I’d had sex since the AIDS crisis began (I can’t remember the precise date, but it was before I’d even come out).

I cannot donate blood because I lived in Spain during the BSE (mad cow) problem. I am forever barred (unless they come up with a way to assess whether someone has been infected with prion disease).

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nines09  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:51:28am

re: #513 electrotek

Ever the opportunist. Ignore the reality of who and what he truly is. It’s the others who are are to blame. He’s culpable. Fucking piece of fucking shit. Kiss Trumps ass, lacky. Boot licker.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:51:29am

re: #489 ObserverArt

Damn. Local NBC just dropped NBC national coverage of the Orlando mess to go to the prepaid Joel Osteen show.

I guess we know who has the power. The Bucks. As expected.

Speaking of media. NBC is set to cover the Canadian Grand Prix today. I wonder if that will get dropped for more NBC national coverage. I can understand if it does…so I am prepared to be ready to check other NBC properties for them to pick it up live.

But Joel Osteen? Really?

Ah J0el 0$teen the King of the Pulpit Pimps…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:52:01am

re: #513 electrotek

This piece of shit

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Yeah fuck Marco. He’s fine with Christian bigotry towards gays and even uses it to justify his shitty record on LGBT rights. Keith Ellison and Andre Carson are Muslims yet have a progressive voting record on that subject, Marco OTOH does what ever his anti-gay fundie brethren want him to do.

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jaunte  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:52:07am
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Jenner7  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:52:31am

Did Trump tweet something horrible this morning then delete it?

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blueraven  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:52:51am

re: #510 nines09

The Egyptian Goddess? That’s how much sense that makes. Never too early to fear monger.

He is not normally one of the fear mongerers, so I tend to take what he says with a bit more credibility. But yes, it is early yet.

It does make sense though, that some deranged fuck, would turn to this group.

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Nyet  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:53:04am

If it will be confirmed that a) he had Jihadist leanings, b) they had been known, it will fully confirm Obama’s statement about that he’s made recently: the laws on the books allow such people to be prohibited from flying but not from owning guns.

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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:53:07am

re: #516 jaunte

Can everybody in the whole world please retweet this? Thanks.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:53:59am

re: #519 Anymouse

Got numbers of those virulent anti-gay atheists? A few score in a country of three hundred twenty million people? Versus how many anti-atheist and anti-gay Christians?

I’ll go with “false equivalence and rationalisation” for $1,000, Alex.

I guess you haven’t been following the Man-o-Sphere and Men Going Their Own Way and GamerGate etc, ad nauseam. There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of them. Not as many as bigoted Christians of course, but a hell of a lot.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:54:04am

re: #521 HappyWarrior

The root? Yeah absolutely it’s religion most of the time. I will point out though that Stalin’s USSR, Mao’s PRC, and other secular states have been none too friendly to LGBT people over teh years eitehr. I definitely think that religion causes homophobia, however i also feel that homophobia can and does exist without religion. Taht is to say I think many use religion as an excuse for their homopobia that already exists independent of religion. Religion often makes things worse as I saw in the God Loves Uganda documentary but I think some homophobia is rooted in the individual’s own hatreds and mind problems that are present without religion. That said, I am NOT giving religion a pass for homophobia at all.

More rationalisation. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, &c did not murder because they were atheists. They murdered because they were Communists. That false equivalence is ofttimes used by Christian apologists to create a magic balance fairy argument.

Atheists are not the issue in the USA. We aren’t picketing gay nightclubs, writing laws against gays, creating bathroom panic in statehouses. Try again.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:54:26am

re: #522 Anymouse

I cannot donate blood because I lived in Spain during the BSE (mad cow) problem. I am forever barred (unless they come up with a way to assess whether someone has been infected with prion disease).

You know, I am not sure if I can donate as a Type 1 diabetic who has to take insulin or not.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:54:41am

re: #519 Anymouse

Got numbers of those virulent anti-gay atheists? A few score in a country of three hundred twenty million people? Versus how many anti-atheist and anti-gay Christians?

I’ll go with “false equivalence and rationalisation” for $1,000, Alex.

Goddamn dude all I said was that his homophobia could have been non religious in inspiration. I didn’t even say he was non-religious. I just fucking said that a lot of homophobia draws its inspiration from something that isn’t necessarily religious in origin. I’m not false equivalizing or rationalizing shit. I just think and have seen first hand that a lot of anti-gay people’s hatred of gay people is not necessarily religious in its genesis.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:54:41am
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:55:03am

re: #497 Dr Lizardo

Someone who flips out this easily over two men kissing, I am thinking there might have been domestic abuse.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:55:32am
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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:55:56am

re: #531 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I guess you haven’t been following the Man-o-Sphere and Men Going Their Own Way and GamerGate etc, ad nauseam. There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of them. Not as many as bigoted Christians of course, but a hell of a lot.

Millions of posts, not millions of people. That would make them in greater numbers than Muslims in the USA, and they are considered a horrible terror to right-thinking Americans.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:56:10am

re: #532 Anymouse

More rationalisation. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, &c did not murder because they were atheists. They murdered because they were Communists. That false equivalence is ofttimes used by Christian apologists to create a magic balance fairy argument.

Atheists are not the issue in the USA. We aren’t picketing gay nightclubs, writing laws against gays, creating bathroom panic in statehouses. Try again.

Did I say atheism was an issue? No, all I said is that non-religious people are capable of homophobia and in those cases implementing systems of discrimination based off of it. I never said atheists were the issues. You’re twisting my words here big time and I don’t like it at all.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:56:50am

re: #534 HappyWarrior

Goddamn dude all I said was that his homophobia could have been non religious in inspiration. I didn’t even say he was non-religious. I just fucking said that a lot of homophobia draws its inspiration from something that isn’t necessarily religious in origin. I’m not false equivalizing or rationalizing shit. I just think and have seen first hand that a lot of anti-gay people’s hatred of gay people is not necessarily religious in its genesis.

Otherwise known as the favourite FOX News tactic: JAQing off. (Just askin’ questions.)

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:57:40am

re: #539 HappyWarrior

Did I say atheism was an issue? No, all I said is that non-religious people are capable of homophobia and in those cases implementing systems of discrimination based off of it. I never said atheists were the issues. You’re twisting my words here big time and I don’t like it at all.

You’re blaming agnostics for writing anti-gay laws and whipping up bathroom panic? Nope. This falls fully in the house of religion.

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Nyet  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:58:51am

re: #519 Anymouse

Got numbers of those virulent anti-gay atheists? A few score in a country of three hundred twenty million people? Versus how many anti-atheist and anti-gay Christians?

I’ll go with “false equivalence and rationalisation” for $1,000, Alex.

There were and are plenty of homophobic atheists around the world. Think USSR.
(The difference though is that usually the secular homophobia boils down to disgust rather than to a formed ideology.)

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withak  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:59:08am

re: #532 Anymouse

More rationalisation. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, &c did not murder because they were atheists. They murdered because they were Communists. That false equivalence is ofttimes used by Christian apologists to create a magic balance fairy argument.

Atheists are not the issue in the USA. We aren’t picketing gay nightclubs, writing laws against gays, creating bathroom panic in statehouses. Try again.

You appear to be attacking a straw man. Happy is merely saying that homophobia can and does exist without religion, not that lack of religion is itself a cause of homophobia.

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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:59:24am

re: #522 Anymouse

re: #533 Timothy Watson

Like I said, there are a LOT of things on that checklist that can get you bounced from trying to donate blood.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:00:04am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:00:08am

Homophobia doesn’t require religion, and religion doesn’t require homophobia. Lots of homophobes turn to a couple verses of the bible for justification, but that’s not where they learned it. They learned it growing up, and probably not because their parents picked it up from their religion, either. They hate, then they find find an excuse.

Honestly I don’t know where it comes from. It makes no sense at all. It’s my impression that the most virulent homophobes are men. If you’re a guy, every gay man is one less guy competing for women’s attention. It does you no harm. “It neither picks [your] pocket, nor breaks [your] leg”, to borrow from Jefferson. Why do they care?

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MsJ  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:00:31am
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jaunte  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:00:51am
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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:00:57am

re: #542 Nyet

There were and are plenty of homophobic atheists around the world. Think USSR.
(The difference though is that usually the secular homophobia boils down to disgust rather than to a formed ideology.)

Been there already above. They were not homophobic because they were atheists. They were homophobic because they were Communists.

Looking in my Holy Book of the Gospel of Nothing: Nope, can’t find a reference to “kill the gays.” That would be in Leviticus.

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jaunte  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:01:43am

Looks like “Vigilantism” is the new religion.

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blueraven  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:02:14am

re: #528 blueraven

He is not normally one of the fear mongerers, so I tend to take what he says with a bit more credibility. But yes, it is early yet.

It does make sense though, that some deranged fuck, would turn to this group.

And let me be clear. There is absolutely no evidence, at this time, that this was in any way directed by ISIS or that he had any direct contact with them. But he was probably a sympathizer of the lone wolf variety.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:02:15am

re: #543 withak

You appear to be attacking a straw man. Happy is merely saying that homophobia can and does exist without religion, not that lack of religion is itself a cause of homophobia.

That’s all I’ve been saying AM. I merely feel that homophobia can and does exist without religion. I’ll even give you that the overwhelming majority of homophobia around the world is religious in origin but I have seen with my own two eyes that homophobia can exist independently of religion. I don’t even think that this guy is non-religious. I just think it’s possible that something non-religious such as the sight of two men kissing him set him off more than an anti-gay scripture. That’s really all I meant.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:02:41am

re: #546 Blind Frog Belly White

For all the talk of by MRAs and people in the past saying men are less emotional and more rational, I have noticed the exact opposite in life. Men seem to be more impulsive, and let their emotions be in control more.

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electrotek  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:02:48am

And this guy is a Hillary supporter. Just wonderful.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:03:21am

re: #547 MsJ

For all intents and purposes, prior to this act, the Orlando shooter was a “Good Guy With A Gun”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:04:05am

re: #549 Anymouse

Been there already above. They were not homophobic because they were atheists. They were homophobic because they were Communists.

Looking in my Holy Book of the Gospel of Nothing: Nope, can’t find a reference to “kill the gays.” That would be in Leviticus.

Nobody said they were homophobic “because they were atheists”. Seriously, Dude, you’re twisting what everybody said into a Möbius strip….

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jaunte  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:04:08am
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MsJ  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:04:21am

re: #555 FormerDirtDart

For all intents and purposes, prior to this act, the Orlando shooter was a “Good Guy With A Gun”

Yup. The biggest horseshit meme.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:04:34am

re: #549 Anymouse

Been there already above. They were not homophobic because they were atheists. They were homophobic because they were Communists.

Looking in my Holy Book of the Gospel of Nothing: Nope, can’t find a reference to “kill the gays.” That would be in Leviticus.

I didn’t say their homophobia was BECAUSE they were communists. I said their homophobia was NOT religious in its genesis. Get it? Secular I concede was the poor word to use to describe it but I don’t see anything wrong or Fox News in seeing that homophobia can be caused by things independent of religion.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:04:35am

re: #447 Jenner7

What is worse, that he was motivated by terrorists or his hatred for gays…or both?

Or does it matter?

I got nothing, guys. I’m just so fucking tired of this.

My take after reading about Orlando is this.

Trigger was what I regard as the usual for these types of assholes: A final quest for identity. Now he’s a mass murderer killed by police. Before he thought of himself as nothing and no one. He decided the former was better than the latter.

Target selection was based on hate. A hate fuelled by culture. That culture hates homosexuality and excuses it with cherry picked quotes from the Quran. It may or may not be Islamist in nature. But it is a ‘conservative’ culture.

It certainly wasn’t organized. The act has all the earmarks of impulse and not planning. Terror carried out by actual Islamists is almost always done by teams and in a manner meant to overwhelm and confuse law enforcement and rescue operations. This guy, like all mass shooters, is a loner.

Anyway, more blood to water the Tree of Liberty.

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Nyet  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:04:56am

Homophobia doesn’t require religion, but it sure is fed by it and, since it’s made into ideology rather than is simply based on disgust, it also can lead to mass murder. And no, mainstream/liberal branches are not off the hook. All the verses are still in the scripture, even if the cafeteria approach allows people to ignore them. As long as they are there though, there will always be people who believe in them and commit acts of mayhem believing that’s what God’s will is.

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MsJ  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:05:18am

re: #557 jaunte

Didn’t Republicans nix that legislation to disallow people on watch lists to purchase arms? Or did I remember that incorrectly?

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ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:05:24am

re: #541 Anymouse

You’re blaming agnostics for writing anti-gay laws and whipping up bathroom panic? Nope. This falls fully in the house of religion.

I gotta run, but I do think you are missing Happy’s point. And then taking it a little too far with your own thinking.

A little chilling out may be in order. And then once that is accomplished…understanding.

Later Lizards!

Oh yeah, you know what will change gun thinking in America? When a gunmen or two go into something like the NRA National meeting (a couple weeks back) or the RNC National Convention in a couple weeks and start mowing down gun lovers. And no I don’t want that to happen. But it does seem it will take some personal experience before they start to look at the problems.

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Maxwell Not So Smart  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:05:50am

I don’t know how accurate this is. Still staggering that it might be.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:06:34am

re: #543 withak

You appear to be attacking a straw man. Happy is merely saying that homophobia can and does exist without religion, not that lack of religion is itself a cause of homophobia.

Homophobia can and does exist as a stand-alone line of “substitution for actual thinking” (the phrase is my mother’s), but it can also be prompted by religion, ideology, or a mix of the two. The recent certain example is Daesh throwing gay men off of the roofs of mid-rise buildings in Raqqa and Mosul and then stoning them to death if they survive the fall.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:06:44am

re: #543 withak

You appear to be attacking a straw man. Happy is merely saying that homophobia can and does exist without religion, not that lack of religion is itself a cause of homophobia.

re: #552 HappyWarrior

That’s all I’ve been saying AM. I merely feel that homophobia can and does exist without religion. I’ll even give you that the overwhelming majority of homophobia around the world is religious in origin but I have seen with my own two eyes that homophobia can exist independently of religion. I don’t even think that this guy is non-religious. I just think it’s possible that something non-religious such as the sight of two men kissing him set him off more than an anti-gay scripture. That’s really all I meant.

Magic balance fairy argument. The overwhelming majority of homophobes in Florida (we’re not talking about Cambodia or North Korea here) are Christians.

Could it be an atheist? Sure. Atheists have the lowest percentage of teen pregnancy, criminal activity, jail time, divorce, &c of any religious group, but sure, let’s speculate it might be an atheist gamergater.

How about a novel idea? Waiting for the police to conduct an investigation?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:07:03am

re: #549 Anymouse

Been there already above. They were not homophobic because they were atheists. They were homophobic because they were Communists.

Looking in my Holy Book of the Gospel of Nothing: Nope, can’t find a reference to “kill the gays.” That would be in Leviticus.

They aren’t homophobic because of their religion. They’re homophobic, then look to whatever holy book they follow. The Bible’s chock full of excuses for hating stuff. All you gotta do is dig for your particular hatred.

Christ, the whole “Pro Life” movement claims to be based on religion, and there’s NOT ONE WORD in the Bible about it! Ask any “Pro Lifer” and listen to the handwaving bullshit they come up with.

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jaunte  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:07:27am

re: #562 MsJ

Yes, they blocked it.

Murphy tweeted a graphic on Dec. 8, 2015, claiming that “91 percent of suspected terrorists who attempted to buy guns in America walked away with the weapon they wanted.”

His tweet came after Republicans repeatedly blocked a bill that would keep people on the FBI list from buying guns. In an unusual procedural move, Murphy and other Democrats signed a petition to bring the bill to the House floor, but it currently doesn’t have the required 218 signatures for further action. The Senate earlier in December struck down a similar bill.
politifact.com

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Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:07:31am

re: #555 FormerDirtDart

For all intents and purposes, prior to this act, the Orlando shooter was a “Good Guy With A Gun”

Yup. Legal and licensed to buy as many firearms and as much ammo as he pleased. He can walk into a gunshow, pick out a rifle, and walk out armed in less than 15 mins.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:08:01am

re: #567 Blind Frog Belly White

Simply put, they are homophobic because they are easily disgusted.

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Lidane  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:08:02am

re: #348 HappyWarrior

Can we please start doing something sensible about guns now? We should have done it years ago but can we please now? Unfortunately, the way so many people are in this country, this will mean more guns.

The gun debate ended after Sandy Hook.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:08:10am

re: #473 jaunte

Yes, Lt. Governor Patrick, people do reap what they sow.

I suspect that your crop is not going to be to your liking.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:09:09am

re: #565 Dark_Falcon

Homophobia can and does exist as a stand-alone line of “substitution for actual thinking” (the phrase is my mother’s), but it can also be prompted by religion, ideology, or a mix of the two. The recent certain example is Daesh throwing gay men off of the roofs of mid-rise buildings in Raqqa and Mosul and then stoning them to death if they survive the fall.

I never disputed that either. Of course, homophobia can be prompted by religion.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:09:34am

re: #570 Ziggy_TARDIS

Simply put, they are homophobic because they are easily disgusted.

And it ain’t “secularism” that promotes that view.

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jaunte  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:09:49am

re: #572 Romantic Heretic

He’s pretending it was just a scheduled tweet, but it’s been really hard to take it down and tweet an apology. I think he meant it, and likes the notoriety.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:09:56am
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FormerDirtDart  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:10:35am
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blueraven  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:10:40am

re: #557 jaunte

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Was he really on a watch list?

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jaunte  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:11:35am
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electrotek  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:11:53am
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MsJ  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:12:18am

re: #578 blueraven

I didn’t see any sourcing.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:12:39am

re: #557 jaunte

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It’s worth repeating that most of the people investigated by the FBI for terror links do not get put on the terrorist watch list. We don’t even know if this guy was on the watch list.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:13:06am

re: #566 Anymouse

Magic balance fairy argument. The overwhelming majority of homophobes in Florida (we’re not talking about Cambodia or North Korea here) are Christians.

Could it be an atheist? Sure. Atheists have the lowest percentage of teen pregnancy, criminal activity, jail time, divorce, &c of any religious group, but sure, let’s speculate it might be an atheist gamergater.

How about a novel idea? Waiting for the police to conduct an investigation?

I didn’t say anything about the shooter being an atheist AM. I just said he may have had hatred of gay people that may not necessarily been due to his religious beliefs. In fact, I think the religious beliefs are often used as an excuse by religious homophobes because they have other issues with gays i.e. their own sexual repression, their own discomfort with the thought of two men being sexually intimate, etc. That’s all I meant. You can accuse me of MBFing all you want but I did not BLAME secularism for this shooting, I merely stated that I think it’s plausible his hatred of gays could have its roots in something that goes beyond religion. Secularism was a poor choice of word to describe it perhaps but all I mean is that hatred of gay people doesn’t always require religion. I agree with Sergey. It makes it a hell of a lot easier especially when you have Christian politicians in this country using the Bible to justify discrimination against gays.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:13:15am

re: #574 Anymouse

And you are right on that. However, there are some atheists (Of the Reddit, 4Chan, and MRA variety) who are Homophobic for completely independent and stupid reasons. That is what HappyWarrior is saying.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:13:47am

re: #555 FormerDirtDart

For all intents and purposes, prior to this act, the Orlando shooter was a “Good Guy With A Gun”

This time I can’t argue against that point.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:13:47am

Screw you, Joe Walsh. No Christian ever attacked a gay person in the USA.

Number of Muslim attacks intentionally targeting gays in the USA to date: zero.

Number of Christian attacks: uncountable.

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Bass Reeves  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:13:51am

re: #467 HappyWarrior
re: #567 Blind Frog Belly White

They aren’t homophobic because of their religion. They’re homophobic, then look to whatever holy book they follow. The Bible’s chock full of excuses for hating stuff. All you gotta do is dig for your particular hatred.

I kind of disagree with this part. All of the big three have the same root, so being brought up in any of them can plant that seed. They didn’t hate first, they were taught first. Just imo.

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jaunte  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:14:17am

re: #578 blueraven

I think that was an inaccurate twitter shortcut. He had been investigated.

The senior law enforcement source reports that Mateen became a person of interest in 2013 and again in 2014. The Federal Bureau of Investigation at one point opened an investigation into Mateen but subsequently closed the case when it produced nothing that appeared to warrant further investigation.
thedailybeast.com

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MsJ  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:14:28am

re: #580 electrotek

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:14:39am

re: #574 Anymouse

And it ain’t “secularism” that promotes that view.

I never said it was secularism that promoted that view. I said it was secular(independent of religion) things that may have promoted that view. Jesus man, I’m trying to be diplomatic here as possible and you seem eager to twist my words. My point is this- Homophobia though often religious in origin can and does have rationale that is non-religious i.e. the sight of two men kissing. That’s all I meant.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:15:12am

re: #586 Anymouse

Screw you, Joe Walsh. No Christian ever attacked a gay person in the USA.

Number of Muslim attacks intentionally targeting gays in the USA to date: zero.

Number of Christian attacks: uncountable.

Walsh has never met Eric Rudolph I guess.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:15:50am

re: #589 MsJ

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Was Joe saying this about Christians when Eric Rudolph and the coutnless other anti-gay Christians have attacked gay people?

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jaunte  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:15:57am

“Lone wolf” terrorists who don’t communicate with the outside can buy all the weapons they want.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:16:34am

re: #570 Ziggy_TARDIS

Simply put, they are homophobic because they are easily disgusted.

Well….I’m not even sure about that. That suggests that there’s something to be disgusted about, and they’re just more sensitive to it. Not that I think that’s what you’re saying.

One thing I’ve noticed is that many homophobes seem to do an awful lot of talking and thinking about the mechanics of men having sex with other men, then they ask you to share their disgust about aspects of anal or oral sex. So, MAYBE the hatred is overcompensating for feeling drawn to it despite themselves, or maybe it’s just an unhealthy need to judge people who aren’t like you. I dunno. Saying they’re latent homosexuals who hate gays because they’re afraid of that aspect of themselves is too easy and smug.

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blueraven  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:17:09am

Well it is OK for politicians/pundits to bring up ISIS, Jihadism and radical ideology, but NO, NO, NO we must not talk about ease of access to assault style weapons.

THAT is politicizing this tragic event.

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jaunte  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:17:11am

There it is.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:17:18am

Rep Miken (sp?) is claiming the shooter was on law enforcement radar…..if that’s the case, why the fuck does he have a CWL?!??

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:17:18am

re: #584 Ziggy_TARDIS

And you are right on that. However, there are some atheists (Of the Reddit, 4Chan, and MRA variety) who are Homophobic for completely independent and stupid reasons. That is what HappyWarrior is saying.

I mean I remember middle school. The kids weren’t gays are wrong because it’s sinful. It’s gays are gross because they make me ill. I can’t tell you how many people I knew growing up that were disgusted by gay men but felt even aroused by lesbian erotica.

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Bass Reeves  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:17:25am

re: #590 HappyWarrior

Would you consider that the ‘two men kissing’ is disgusting only because of a culture that claims to be secular, but is really rife with Christian fundamentalist streaks?

Think about our media rating system. It’s a secular (theoretical) organization that structures its ratings based on a Christian-based morality (sex bad, cursing bad, shooting people for the right reason OK!)

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:17:54am

re: #593 jaunte

“Lone wolf” terrorists who don’t communicate with the outside can buy all the weapons they want.

“If dynamite was dangerous, would they sell it to an idiot like me?”

—Al Bundy

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:18:40am

re: #594 Blind Frog Belly White

That is probably more accurate way of putting it. Thanks.

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electrotek  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:18:57am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:19:11am

re: #599 Bass Reeves

Would you consider that the ‘two men kissing’ is disgusting only because of a culture that claims to be secular, but is really rife with Christian fundamentalist streaks?

Think about our media rating system. It’s a secular (theoretical) organization that structures is ratings based on a Christian-based morality (sex bad, cursing bad, shooting people for the right reason OK!)

Yeah I’ll agree with that. Strongly even.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:19:39am

re: #413 HappyWarrior

A lot of homophobia is secular. Hear me out, I’m not saying secularism causes homophobia, I’m saying there’s a lot of non-religious rationale behind homophobia that does exist. In fact, I think that’s what a lot of homophobia really is- discomfort around gay people and feeling grossed out by ‘two guys fucking.’

I did not blame secularism, re #566.

What secular rationale exists for homophobia then. Please enlighten me. Of all the time I have been an atheist (all my life), I have never once heard anyone advance a secular argument for homophobia. Perhaps it is because I lived a sheltered life in such small places as my village, seventeen years in the Navy, Virginia Beach/Norfolk, Jacksonville Fla., little sheltered places like that.

I did have my home picketed in Virginia Beach, for daring to run a private secular BBS on a bloody Commodore 64 though. It was all those secular people from CBN University that were picketing my house and threatening my baby son. It was the Virginia Beach police that said well I deserved it.

Yeah, it is a magic balance fairy argument, even if you refuse to see it and then claim I am strawmanning your argument. Count up the number of “secularly motivated” attacks on gays in the USA and when you have that number get back with me.

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Jenner7  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:19:49am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:20:25am

re: #594 Blind Frog Belly White

Well….I’m not even sure about that. That suggests that there’s something to be disgusted about, and they’re just more sensitive to it. Not that I think that’s what you’re saying.

One thing I’ve noticed is that many homophobes seem to do an awful lot of talking and thinking about the mechanics of men having sex with other men, then they ask you to share their disgust about aspects of anal or oral sex. So, MAYBE the hatred is overcompensating for feeling drawn to it despite themselves, or maybe it’s just an unhealthy need to judge people who aren’t like you. I dunno. Saying they’re latent homosexuals who hate gays because they’re afraid of that aspect of themselves is too easy and smug.

One can only look at how many anti gay politicians, clergy, etc have been revealed to be hypocrites.

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MsJ  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:20:39am
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Skip Intro  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:21:39am

re: #356 Ziggy_TARDIS

Worst mass shooting in US History.

The year is still young.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:22:07am
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Birth Control Works  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:22:17am

Just heard.

damn!

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:22:44am

re: #606 HappyWarrior

One can only look at how many anti gay politicians, clergy, etc have been revealed to be hypocrites.

But it might be a secularly-motivated attack!!!111!!uno!!eleventy!!!one!!

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MsJ  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:23:05am

re: #602 electrotek

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:23:07am

re: #580 electrotek

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Pot, meet kettle.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:23:22am

re: #599 Bass Reeves

What is ironic about this is pictures like this from the Muslim World.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:24:12am

re: #611 Anymouse

My first downding at LGF. Must have hit a nerve.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:24:17am

re: #597 Dr. Matt

Rep Miken (sp?) is claiming the shooter was on law enforcement radar…..if that’s the case, why the fuck does he have a CWL?!??

It’s a ‘Shall Issue’ permit. The local sheriff can’t revoke it unless someone is more than just ‘on the radar’. I think it can be denied if someone is named as a suspect in a crime, or if charges are filed against them, but not before.

In part, this was done in Florida to avoid the potential for police denying someone by having the person ‘on their radar’ on spurious grounds.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:24:18am

re: #604 Anymouse

I did not blame secularism, re #566.

What secular rationale exists for homophobia then. Please enlighten me. Of all the time I have been an atheist (all my life), I have never once heard anyone advance a secular argument for homophobia. Perhaps it is because I lived a sheltered life in such small places as my village, seventeen years in the Navy, Virginia Beach/Norfolk, Jacksonville Fla., little sheltered places like that.

I did have my home picketed in Virginia Beach, for daring to run a private secular BBS on a bloody Commodore 64 though. It was all those secular people from CBN University that were picketing my house and threatening my baby son. It was the Virginia Beach police that said well I deserved it.

Yeah, it is a magic balance fairy argument, even if you refuse to see it and then claim I am strawmanning your argument. Count up the number of “secularly motivated” attacks on gays in the USA and when you have that number get back with me.

Okay, listen to me again. I phrased that poorly. When I said secular, I meant their hatred of gays was based on something other than scripture. If I phrased that badly, I apologize. But what I really mean is that a lot of people who hate gays would hate them even if they didn’t have their holy book egging them on. I also didn’t say you were strawmanning my argument, I said you misunderstood and were twisting my argument. My point basically is that a lot of people’s rationale to hate gays is independent of religion. See my point about the school boys who call gay sex icky but love lesbian erotica. I definitely do feel that religion causes homophobia and I definitely think secular belief is far more likely to be indicative of more tolerance to gay people than religiosity.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:24:19am

re: #609 FormerDirtDart

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That’s amazing. Love wins.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:24:58am

re: #611 Anymouse

But it might be a secularly-motivated attack!!!111!!uno!!eleventy!!!one!!

Okay, now you’re just being a dick dude.

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withak  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:25:06am

re: #615 Anymouse

My first downding at LGF. Must have hit a nerve.

Nah, you’re just being kind of a dick.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:25:22am

In Florida …

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:25:57am

Because it’s time for a sanity break

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:26:10am

re: #614 Ziggy_TARDIS

What is ironic about this is picture like this from the Muslim World.

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Makes me think about Borat when he asks Alan Keyes if the man who stuck a fist in his anus was a homosexual.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:26:17am

re: #616 Dark_Falcon

Thanks for proving that wholesale CWL permits is a failed process.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:26:18am

I’m woke-up still overwhelmed about the sense of peace and love I felt thru the video feed of Mohammad Ali’s funeral.

Now this.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:26:54am

re: #622 FormerDirtDart

Because it’s time for a sanity break

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I tell ya’, Feline Overlord’s are not of this world.

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Jay C  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:28:14am

re: #596 jaunte

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There it is.

And what it is still looks like a crock of sh*t: Patrick’s now-removed tweet was posted at 7:00am on Sunday 6/12 (presumably TX time (CT??)) - well after news of the Orlando shootings hit. Does he not look/check/care about what goes on his Twitter timeline?

I’ll go with “not care”.. YMMV

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Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:28:19am

Slept in. Woke up to this.

No words.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:28:40am

re: #614 Ziggy_TARDIS

What is ironic about this is picture like this from the Muslim World.

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Meh. George W. Bush was and is many things, but he’s not a violent-minded bigot.

Joe Walsh, by contrast, is violent minded at times and is a bigot. Which is why I call Walsh ‘The Shame of the Illinois Republican Party’. Thankfully, Gov. Rauner ignores the assholes.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:28:50am

re: #628 Stanley Sea

Slept in. Woke up to this.

No words.

I feel you

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:29:00am

re: #617 HappyWarrior

Well, at this point, I will have to bail out. Our society is shaped by the overwhelming number of Christians that make up the populace, but somehow this might be a secularly-motivated attack that had nothing to do with religion.

I will watch my six for all those secularly-motivated gamergaters in Scottsbluff when I attend the Gay Pride Picnic this year. I’ll make sure as the only politician there I watch them and none of the God-fearing gun nuts in this area.

From here on out, I will just read for the time I am here until I go to bed. We don’t seem to be coming to some sort of agreement or common ground (much like the NRA and anyone else).

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Nyet  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:29:00am

I’m not aware of evidence that religion can’t make someone homophobic, and this also seems to clash with common sense. But even if it were so, religion still provides justification and amplification of homophobia, so it’s still not off the hook.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:29:10am

re: #629 Dark_Falcon

Meh. George W. Bush was and is many things, but he’s not a violent-minded bigot.

Joe Walsh, by contrast, is violent minded at times and is a bigot. Which is why I call Walsh ‘The Shame of the Illinois Republican Party’. Thankfully, Gov. Rauner ignores the assholes.

QFT

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:29:19am

re: #620 withak

Nah, you’re just being kind of a dick.

Thanks.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:30:03am

AM I really do apologize if my words made it sound like I said I believe secularism is what caused this shooting. I don’t believe that. I just said off hand that I feel that a lot of homophobia people have non-religious rationale for their hatred. I am not angry but I do want to try to phrase my words in a way that can be understood. I think that religion absolutely is at root with a lot of homophobia in the world including our country but teh point I was trying to make and I admit that I phrased it poorly was that a lot of that hatred exists independently of scripture. Scripture I see as the excuse for hatred of gays not the only ingredient. Does that make sense?

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nines09  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:30:26am

re: #580 electrotek

Oh. Look. Another grifting deadbeat sees an opportunity. Fuck, Joe. The GOP wants them dead too. They just want to kill them quieter. Slowly. As to not draw attention.

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jaunte  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:30:43am

Conservative with a rifle decrying politics as usual. Furthering the message that if you don’t like something, shoot it.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:31:17am

re: #628 Stanley Sea

Slept in. Woke up to this.

No words.

Unless it’s a holiday, I usually go to the office on Sundays. I decided to pour a drink to numb this terrible news.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:31:33am

re: #497 Dr Lizardo

Apparently, the marriage lasted just 2 years.

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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:31:37am

Does anyone know of a link to Obama’s statement that’s supposed to be starting right now? I can’t find one.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:32:05am

re: #626 Birth Control Works

I tell ya’, Feline Overlord’s are not of this world.

This is why I believe Tashirojima Island is a “foothold” situation…

Japan’s Cat Island - Incredible!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:32:07am

re: #611 Anymouse

But it might be a secularly-motivated attack!!!111!!uno!!eleventy!!!one!!

Again, Dude—nobody here has ever said that homophobia was “motivated” by secularism. You’re exactly reversing what we’ve been saying. A LOT of misogynists and homophobes just happen to be skeptics or atheists. Since Elevatorgate blew up, the hostility to women, gays, and “Social Justice Warriors” in the skeptical community has been off the charts. I’m a devout, proselytizing atheist myself—you don’t have to sell me on the evil effects of desert religion: Jewish, Christian, or Muslim. They’re all the fruit of the same poisoned vine.

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Nyet  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:32:19am

re: #635 HappyWarrior

To me what you are saying makes sense, but many people’s nerves are strained right now so it comes to misunderstandings.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:32:48am

Fifty people are dead after a man opened fire early Sunday inside a gay nightclub in Orlando, and dozens more were left wounded. Authorities are calling the shooting an act of domestic terrorism.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:32:53am

re: #629 Dark_Falcon

I was pointing it out because, I would imagine that Omar there would have freaked about that picture, but that is Arab Culture there.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:33:41am

re: #624 Dr. Matt

Thanks for proving that wholesale CWL permits is a failed process.

It’s not. “Shall Issue” is designed like many things in the United States: To guard against the abuse of power by the government. It’s not designed to screen for terrorism.

Moreover, I want to point out that this Jihadi slimeball appears to have bought at least one gun legally, with a background check run. So background checks didn’t stop him either.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:33:46am

re: #639 Ziggy_TARDIS

Apparently, the marriage lasted just 2 years.

That’s pretty short.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:34:10am

re: #629 Dark_Falcon

Meh. George W. Bush was and is many things, but he’s not a violent-minded bigot.

Joe Walsh, by contrast, is violent minded at times and is a bigot. Which is why I call Walsh ‘The Shame of the Illinois Republican Party’. Thankfully, Gov. Rauner ignores the assholes.

That’s more a reference to the Saudi royal family’s homophobia than Bush’s.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:35:15am

re: #640 stpaulbear

Does anyone know of a link to Obama’s statement that’s supposed to be starting right now? I can’t find one.

You haven’t missed it, still just under an hour to go:

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:35:20am

re: #641 FormerDirtDart

Last year, I showed a video of that to a friend of mine, and she was all like, “Oh my God, I’ve got to see this place for myself!”

Heh…..she’s going there this August. LOL

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:35:36am

re: #647 Dr Lizardo

Yeah.

I’m hazarding a guess, and say he has a violent history at home. Not only that, but he is not shown as married now.

He seems to be what I would call a dead end.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:35:40am

re: #643 Nyet

To me what you are saying makes sense, but many people’s nerves are strained right now so it comes to misunderstandings.

Yeah I understand that. I think AM and are actually more closer to agreement on this than he realizes and I hope he understands that.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:36:20am

Kieran Healy, a sociologist at Duke University, made this graph of deaths due to assault in the United States and other developed countries. We are a clear outlier — along with Estonia and Mexico. Yet this country is a far less violent place than it was 40 years ago, with the rate of deaths due to assault declining by roughly half.

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blueraven  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:37:18am

re: #640 stpaulbear

Does anyone know of a link to Obama’s statement that’s supposed to be starting right now? I can’t find one.

I heard 1:30. Most likely ET, so in about an hour.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:37:19am

re: #646 Dark_Falcon

It’s not. “Shall Issue” is designed like many things in the United States: To guard against the abuse of power by the government. It’s not designed to screen for terrorism.

Moreover, I want to point out that this Jihadi slimeball appears to have bought at least one gun legally, with a background check run. So background checks didn’t stop him either.

Thanks for proving wholesale CWLs are a failure. Now go cuddle and hump your rifle for security. Asshole

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jaunte  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:37:24am

re: #646 Dark_Falcon

You could have gone with “homophobic” slimeball.

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Nyet  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:38:46am

An example of a purely secular murderous culture-based homophobia is the prison culture on the ex-Soviet territory where a penetrated male traditionally became barely human and basically ritually unclean (can’t touch others etc.). (That the ones penetrating also engage in a homosexual act makes the situation somewhat less clean-cut, but still.)

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jaunte  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:39:10am

Or “domestic abuser” slimeball.

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blueraven  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:39:25am

re: #646 Dark_Falcon

It’s not. “Shall Issue” is designed like many things in the United States: To guard against the abuse of power by the government. It’s not designed to screen for terrorism.

Moreover, I want to point out that this Jihadi slimeball appears to have bought at least one gun legally, with a background check run. So background checks didn’t stop him either.

Maybe assault style weapons should be much more difficult to obtain. Do you think he could have shot over 100 people without having access to that weapon?

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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:39:33am

re: #649 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thanks!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:39:43am

re: #657 Nyet

An example of a purely secular murderous culture-based homophobia is the prison culture on the ex-Soviet territory where a penetrated male traditionally became barely human and basically ritually unclean (can’t touch others etc.). (That the ones penetrating also engage in a homosexual act makes the situation somewhat less clean-cut, but still.)

I keep on thinking of all the pro wrestling fans I know about that are very homophobic.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:39:48am

While this is going on here, there has been a major setback in Fallujah for Iraq.

ISIL militants attack a military barracks east of Fallujah, killing more than 50 government soldiers and militia members. At least 12 militants were also killed in the assault.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:40:14am

re: #655 Dr. Matt

I was speaking to you respectfully, explaining why things work as they do. There was no cause whatsoever for you to attack me in that fashion. -1

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blueraven  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:40:27am

re: #662 Ziggy_TARDIS

While this is going on here, there has been a major setback in Fallujah for Iraq.

link?

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:40:30am

For all those eagerly await for indictments to be handed down for Secretary Clinton having classified information on her server…get a grip…
It’s almost four years, and Broadwell has yet to be charged .

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:40:51am

re: #658 jaunte

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Or “domestic abuser” slimeball.

New York born eh. That makes him have something in common with oyu, Peter King.

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Great White Snark  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:41:01am

re: #616 Dark_Falcon

Today is not the day to try and illustrate how licenses have due process in depth, and watch lists or no fly lists do not.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:41:14am

re: #658 jaunte

Looks like I was correct.

I’ve seen these sort of men around before. I would be threatened by them too. While straight, everyone has said I am pretty close to the male equivalent of a tomboy.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:41:57am

re: #661 HappyWarrior

I keep on thinking of all the pro wrestling fans I know about that are very homophobic.

And there are a lot of wingnut conservatives who are homophobic/transphobic but might not have stepped in a church in decades and don’t identify themselves as religious.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:42:08am

re: #656 jaunte

You could have gone with “homophobic” slimeball.

I’m assuming there was a religious angle to this.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:42:17am

re: #664 blueraven

Here.

Military sources said 50 members of the Iraqi security forces and allied Shia militias were killed on Saturday.

ISIL losses were reported too, with sources close to the group saying 12 of its fighters were killed by helicopter gunships.

On May 23, Haider al-Abadi, Iraq’s prime minister, announced the start of the offensive to “liberate Fallujah” from ISIL.

For almost two years, Fallujah, which is just 50km west of the capital Baghdad, has endured a siege imposed on the city after it became the first to fall to ISIL in January 2014.

Matthew Glanville, former adviser to the governor of Anbar province, believes the Iraqi forces were overly confident in their operation to recapture Fallujah.

“The lesson from the earlier offensive against Tikrit last year was that where ISIL had the opportunity to dig in, particularly amongst the civilian population, it was always going to take a very long time to get them out without civilian casualties,” Glanville told Al Jazeera.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:43:15am

re: #665 FormerDirtDart

For all those eagerly await for indictments to be handed down for Secretary Clinton having classified information on her server…get a grip…
It’s almost four years, and Broadwell has yet to be charged .

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And Petraeus got away with a slap on the wrist.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:43:29am

re: #667 Great White Snark

Today is not the day to try and illustrate how licenses have due process in depth, and watch lists or no fly lists do not.

I don’t agree. You can’t let a bad idea get momentum, even if you have to enrage people to stop it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:43:30am

re: #670 Dark_Falcon

I’m assuming there was a religious angle to this.

Why?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:44:06am

re: #669 Timothy Watson

And there are a lot of wingnut conservatives who are homophobic/transphobic but might not have stepped in a church in decades and don’t identify themselves as religious.

Right.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:44:09am

re: #658 jaunte

Women need to feel safer and more secure to report these dirtbags.

He might not have gotten a gun with a domestic violence charge.

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jaunte  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:44:38am

re: #670 Dark_Falcon

I’m assuming there was a religious angle to this.

I think there’s a strong element of “one-bold-man-standing-up-for-what-he-believes-ism” to it, which is arguably our domestic cultural religion.

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Nyet  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:44:38am

re: #658 jaunte

Tweet: “wasn’t religious”.
Article: “wasn’t very religious”.
Significant difference.
Not that an ex-wife could enlighten us about his most recent state of mind.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:45:01am

re: #671 Ziggy_TARDIS

Here.

Sounds like a ‘hit and run’ attack, only the ‘run’ part didn’t work out for Daesh.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:45:27am

re: #676 Ziggy_TARDIS

Women need to feel safer and more secure to report these dirtbags.

He might not have gotten a gun with a domestic violence charge.

If he had been convicted of a misdemeanor charge of domestic violence, he wouldn’t be able to legally purchase a firearm under federal law. He also wouldn’t have been allowed to be a certified security guard either.

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Skip Intro  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:45:29am

Time for a new thread, no?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:45:30am

re: #678 Nyet

True, but it gives an idea about his personality.

Namely, he was an abusive thug.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:45:34am

RELIGION is being used as an excuse for hate, mental illness and violence.

Those who seek power and control or those who simply have fucked-up world views and twisted egos have and will always look to religion as a source of justification.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:46:09am

re: #676 Ziggy_TARDIS

Women need to feel safer and more secure to report these dirtbags.

He might not have gotten a gun with a domestic violence charge.

I might be mistaken, and I know it varies state-by-state, if he’d been been convicted of domestic violence, wouldn’t his CCL have been pulled?

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Birth Control Works  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:46:13am

re: #676 Ziggy_TARDIS

Women need to feel safer and more secure to report these dirtbags.

He might not have gotten a gun with a domestic violence charge.

WTF have I been screaming about?

Domestic Violence is the crime that causes other crimes.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:46:16am

re: #676 Ziggy_TARDIS

Women need to feel safer and more secure to report these dirtbags.

He might not have gotten a gun with a domestic violence charge.

He wouldn’t have had a CCW, at least. Those do get revoked if a person has domestic violence charges filed against him.

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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:46:42am

re: #656 jaunte

You could have gone with “homophobic” slimeball.

re: #670 Dark_Falcon

I’m assuming there was a religious angle to this.

That would be a really unfortunate and disingenuous assumption. This is obviously homophobia.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:46:58am

re: #680 Timothy Watson

If he had been convicted of a misdemeanor charge of domestic violence, he wouldn’t be able to legally purchase a firearm under federal law. He also wouldn’t have been allowed to be a certified security guard either.

I thought it was a felony under federal law —now I’m confused

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Great White Snark  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:47:01am

re: #673 Dark_Falcon

It’s your call. I’m still in the shock and horrified part, just stunned. IMHO Sometimes patience pays.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:47:05am

re: #686 Dark_Falcon

He wouldn’t have had a CCW, at least. Those do get revoked if a person has domestic violence charges filed against him.

Thanks. That answers my #684.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:48:14am

re: #684 Dr Lizardo

I might be mistaken, and I know it varies state-by-state, if he’d been been charged with domestic violence, wouldn’t his CCL have been pulled?

It also depends on the jurisdiction. Confiscating firearms is something many district attorney’s are uneasy about —even in Illinois.

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Sherlock Hound  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:49:06am

re: #657 Nyet

An example of a purely secular murderous culture-based homophobia is the prison culture on the ex-Soviet territory where a penetrated male traditionally became barely human and basically ritually unclean (can’t touch others etc.). (That the ones penetrating also engage in a homosexual act makes the situation somewhat less clean-cut, but still.)

I think they say something to justify it, like “I’m on top, so I’m not gay!”

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Birth Control Works  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:49:06am

re: #690 Dr Lizardo

Thanks. That answers my #684.

again, depends on the individuals involved.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:49:15am
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:49:47am

SInce I got one prediction, I’ll see if I am on a roll today.

He is also a member of a Gamergate or MRA subreddit.

Granted, most subreddits are toxic, so that won’t mean much.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:49:59am

re: #692 Sherlock Hound

I think they say something to justify it, like “I’m on top, so I’m not gay!”

Something like that. It’s all so very weird. Homophobes tend to be not well adjusted sexually people.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:50:08am

re: #692 Sherlock Hound

I think they say something to justify it, like “I’m on top, so I’m not gay!”

WE could take this all the way back to Lillith.

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jaunte  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:50:21am

We need rifles designed for war to go hunting, because the deer might be wearing Kevlar.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:50:39am

re: #698 jaunte

We need rifles designed for war to go hunting, because the deer might be wearing Kevlar.

Ever play Deer Avenger?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:50:52am

re: #615 Anymouse

My first downding at LGF. Must have hit a nerve.

No, it’s just that you’re being a jerk.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:50:54am

re: #697 Birth Control Works

WE could take this all the way back to Lillith.

Sternin?

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Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:51:26am

re: #688 Birth Control Works

I thought it was a felony under federal law —now I’m confused

Question on a federal background check authorization form:

Have you ever been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence?

Being under indictment or being convicted of any felony also won’t allow you to purchase a firearm (assuming that you have to go through a federal background check, private dealers usually aren’t required to perform one)
atf.gov

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Birth Control Works  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:51:35am

re: #696 HappyWarrior

Something like that. It’s all so very weird. Homophobes tend to be not well adjusted sexually people.

It seems that human sexuality is not so cut and dried —it is a continuum.

Many seem to need firm boundaries with this issue. I don’t get it.

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Jenner7  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:51:50am

What a piece of shit.

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blueraven  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:51:53am

Yes, ISIS has communicated through social media how easy it is to obtain a military style weapon in the USA. Why go to Syria? Just go purchase an AR-15 and choose your target. It is sooo easy.

Fuck this.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:51:59am

re: #687 stpaulbear

That would be a really unfortunate and disingenuous assumption. This is obviously homophobia.

Which is promoted by American Atheists and the Secular Coalition of America, and the Democratic Party.

Good night, y’all. I am long past my bedtime and have had too much cheap rum mixed in Kool-Aid.

I am sorry I offended some people here. My stances on religion promoting violence are well-known amongst those that know me, and sometimes I lash out when I see what looks like religiously-motived violence (or claims that violence was something else).

If this wasn’t religiously-motivated, I’ll eat my trilby hat and post the photo on LGF. I am that certain, though I do apologise.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:52:04am
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Birth Control Works  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:52:06am

re: #701 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Sternin?

yeah her!

/

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jaunte  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:52:15am

re: #704 Jenner7

Of course it’s all about him.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:52:40am

re: #473 jaunte

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So, when are you going to get yours, Dan?

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Birth Control Works  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:53:07am

re: #702 Timothy Watson

Question on a federal background check authorization form:

Being under indictment or being convicted of any felony also won’t allow you to purchase a firearm (assuming that you have to go through a federal background check, private dealers usually aren’t required to perform one)
atf.gov

I’m getting partial memories of a court case …never mind.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:54:33am

re: #632 Nyet

I’m not aware of evidence that religion can’t make someone homophobic, and this also seems to clash with common sense. But even if it were so, religion still provides justification and amplification of homophobia, so it’s still not off the hook.

Well, there are lots and lots of non-homophobic believers. I know, I was raised by such, and have a whole family of them.

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Nyet  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:54:38am

re: #706 Anymouse

You are seriously misunderstanding what is being said.
Take it from a fellow “militant” atheist.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:55:11am

re: #706 Anymouse

Which is promoted by American Atheists and the Secular Coalition of America, and the Democratic Party.

Good night, y’all. I am long past my bedtime and have had too much cheap rum mixed in Kool-Aid.

I am sorry I offended some people here. My stances on religion promoting violence are well-known amongst those that know me, and sometimes I lash out when I see what looks like religiously-motived violence (or claims that violence was something else).

If this wasn’t religiously-motivated, I’ll eat my trilby hat and post the photo on LGF. I am that certain, though I do apologise.

Take it easy. I’m willing to bury the hatchet honestly. I just think you misunderstood what I meant. I won’t be surprised at all if there was religious inspiration. My point and where you seemed to disagree with me is when I said that some of his homophobic beliefs could be non-religious in inspiration. There’s no excuse at all for this kind of thing to happen and I think we all agree on that.

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Nyet  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:56:07am

re: #712 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, there are lots and lots of non-homophobic believers. I know, I was raised by such, and have a whole family of them.

I’m well aware. I’m not sure how that contradicts what I wrote.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:56:11am

re: #692 Sherlock Hound

I think they say something to justify it, like “I’m on top, so I’m not gay!”

And that cultural stigma goes back to at least the Roman era. One of the claims made against Augustus (Octavius) was that he had been Caesar’s er, passive partner.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:56:40am

re: #712 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, there are lots and lots of non-homophobic believers. I know, I was raised by such, and have a whole family of them.

The best part of that documentary God Loves Uganda were the clergy members combating the hatred of gay people.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:57:00am

re: #703 Birth Control Works

It seems that human sexuality is not so cut and dried —it is a continuum.

Many seem to need firm boundaries with this issue. I don’t get it.

What I don’t get is why they think it’s any of their business. Even “I disagree with the lifestyle”. What the fuck does THAT mean? Where do they get the idea that they have standing to agree or disagree? What incredible presumption!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:57:01am
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electrotek  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:57:34am

As a Muslim, I always suggested that we should have an honest and frank discussion about homophobia in our circles and how it can be fought against.

I just didn’t want a horrific massacre like this to start that discussion.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:58:29am

re: #720 electrotek

There is a Deobandi Imam I am aware of in the DFW area.

Mulling over if there is anything I can do.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:58:46am

re: #718 Blind Frog Belly White

What I don’t get is why they think it’s any of their business. Even “I disagree with the lifestyle”. What the fuck does THAT mean? Where do they get the idea that they have standing to agree or disagree? What incredible presumption!

Right, I may find fundamentalist religion to be a load of shit but I don’t think it should be criminalized or those people have less rights than me. I do NOT however think their religious beliefs should allow them to discriminate against people and do not think that not allowing them to discriminate is a form of discrimination itself.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:58:49am
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jaunte  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:58:51am

...

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Teukka  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:59:40am

re: #570 Ziggy_TARDIS

Simply put, they are homophobic because they are easily disgusted.

No. Very often, they are homophobic because they have homo- or bisexual urges themselves, but are so deep in the closet that they’re practically in Narnia.
And homosexuality is far from the only sexual orientation which has that pattern among its -phobes.

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jaunte  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:59:47am

Sorry, posted wrong tweet. This is the one I meant:

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Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:59:52am

re: #709 jaunte

Of course it’s all about him.

He’s certifiable.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:59:55am

re: #723 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah this is pretty hollow shit from one of the biggest homophobes in American politics

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Nyet  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:00:12am

re: #723 Backwoods_Sleuth

And prolly thinks they are in hell.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:00:56am

re: #714 HappyWarrior

Take it easy. I’m willing to bury the hatchet honestly. I just think you misunderstood what I meant. I won’t be surprised at all if there was religious inspiration. My point and where you seemed to disagree with me is when I said that some of his homophobic beliefs could be non-religious in inspiration. There’s no excuse at all for this kind of thing to happen and I think we all agree on that.

I’ll use the excuse of many rapists, “It was the alcohol, Judge.” Of course, alcohol doesn’t make you do anything either, but if you are motivated to do something alcohol makes it easier. In my case, that is dangerous life-threatening rants against religion. (It never occurs to me to pick up my shotgun and go shoot people.)

There is no excuse, regardless of the motivation. As Jim Wright of Stonekettle says, however, there is nothing that can be done, because those that are in a position to do it (politicians and gun-rights organisations) will not allow anything to be done.

Thus, such deaths will continue, even when those groups propose ideas, because when they are asked to implement those ideas they invoke a “slippery slope” argument. Thus, death will continue by gunfire because they don’t care to do anything about it.

Night, y’all

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sagehen  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:01:31am

re: #685 Birth Control Works

WTF have I been screaming about?

Domestic Violence is the crime that causes other crimes.

Or at least predicts them.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:01:46am

re: #698 jaunte

We need rifles designed for war to go hunting, because the deer might be wearing Kevlar.

Many hunting rifles already use cartridges that are far more powerful than 5.56x45mm. And deer and hog hunting ARs are designed for hunting, not war.

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electrotek  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:02:00am

re: #721 Ziggy_TARDIS

There is a Deobandi Imam I am aware of in the DFW area.

Mulling over if there is anything I can do.

Is that Deobandi imam a known homophobe too?

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Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:02:26am

re: #726 jaunte

Sorry, posted wrong tweet. This is the one I meant:

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Just spoke to my brother in Orlando. A 3 hour wait to give. He said that’s the only good news he has to report.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:03:52am
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Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:04:00am

It is a good day to sit quietly.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:04:10am

re: #718 Blind Frog Belly White

What I don’t get is why they think it’s any of their business. Even “I disagree with the lifestyle”. What the fuck does THAT mean? Where do they get the idea that they have standing to agree or disagree? What incredible presumption!

“I don’t agree with it” is code for I’M NOT GAY.

Someone once told me that “if someone is willing to give their life by serving this country, they should be allowed to marry! I don’t necessarily agree with the lifestyle, but I respect soldiers.”

So take from that what you will.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:04:32am

re: #730 Anymouse

I’ll use the excuse of many rapists, “It was the alcohol, Judge.” Of course, alcohol doesn’t make you do anything either, but if you are motivated to do something alcohol makes it easier. In my case, that is dangerous life-threatening rants against religion. (It never occurs to me to pick up my shotgun and go shoot people.)

There is no excuse, regardless of the motivation. As Jim Wright of Stonekettle says, however, there is nothing that can be done, because those that are in a position to do it (politicians and gun-rights organisations) will not allow anything to be done.

Thus, such deaths will continue, even when those groups propose ideas, because when they are asked to implement those ideas they invoke a “slippery slope” argument. Thus, death will continue by gunfire because they don’t care to do anything about it.

Night, y’all

No, there’s no excuse for it at all. I don’t know what we can do in regards to religion but what I think we can do is elect officials such as yourself that believe LGBT rights are civil rights, appoint judges who believe the same, etc. We need to come down hard on homophobia where ever we see it. ,

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sagehen  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:04:48am

re: #707 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And yet I see three red dots on that map.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:05:00am
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:05:18am

Don’t know if this is accurate, but interesting if it is:

“Provisional Government of Afghanistan, Corporation”? WTF?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:05:23am

re: #733 electrotek

Not sure. But I am familiar with the Deobandi factions beliefs on certain things, and he saw me in need of ‘fixing.”

Until recently, all of my friends were women, and I tend to act a bit odd compared to most men. Think “Dandy.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:05:28am

re: #715 Nyet

I’m well aware. I’m not sure how that contradicts what I wrote.

If hate comes from religion, then the religious must hate. If religious people don’t hate, then it doesn’t come from religion. But the other problem with what you wrote is that it’s overly burdened with negatives and asked for proof of a negative.

Basically I’m pushing back on the idea that homophobia comes from belief.

IMO, haters find other haters who accept, confirm, and amplify their hate. Like-minded souls not only make their thoughts okay, they encourage them to worse ones. It’s like AM Hate Radio, or wingnut blogs like RedState et al. They bring their hate with them.

It doesn’t come from the religion. The haters find a god who hates who they hate, who provides an excuse. They’re not neutral on homosexuality, then read Leviticus and say, “Gosh, that gay couple down the street seem like nice guys, but now that I’ve read this verse, I believe they deserve death.”

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Nyet  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:06:43am

Unfortunately, many a freeper is having a splodey head right now over being envious of a Muslim.

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makeitstop  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:07:06am

re: #604 Anymouse

I did not blame secularism, re #566.

What secular rationale exists for homophobia then. Please enlighten me. Of all the time I have been an atheist (all my life), I have never once heard anyone advance a secular argument for homophobia. Perhaps it is because I lived a sheltered life in such small places as my village, seventeen years in the Navy, Virginia Beach/Norfolk, Jacksonville Fla., little sheltered places like that.

I did have my home picketed in Virginia Beach, for daring to run a private secular BBS on a bloody Commodore 64 though. It was all those secular people from CBN University that were picketing my house and threatening my baby son. It was the Virginia Beach police that said well I deserved it.

Yeah, it is a magic balance fairy argument, even if you refuse to see it and then claim I am strawmanning your argument. Count up the number of “secularly motivated” attacks on gays in the USA and when you have that number get back with me.

I can see your interest in defending your viewpoint. But your snark is undermining your argument at this point, to be honest.

Dial it back a little, dude. Happy Warrior is not the enemy.

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electrotek  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:07:31am

re: #742 Ziggy_TARDIS

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jaunte  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:08:00am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:09:28am

re: #747 jaunte

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The last part is so dead on.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:10:17am
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Nyet  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:10:54am

re: #743 Blind Frog Belly White

If hate comes from religion, then the religious must hate. If religious people don’t hate, then it doesn’t come from religion

Unfortunately both sentences are logical non sequiturs.
That religion can cause hate in some does not mean it will cause hate in all.

In any case, to repeat, religion justifies and amplifies hate, so it’s not off the hook even if you were correct and it is not the hate’s cause.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:11:12am

re: #725 Teukka

No. Very often, they are homophobic because they have homo- or bisexual urges themselves, but are so deep in the closet that they’re practically in Narnia.
And homosexuality is far from the only sexual orientation which has that pattern among its -phobes.

Exactly. It is not uncommon for teenagers or those first experiencing sexual feelings to have a biological response to the opposite sex. (Or anything that causes the teenage brain’s thoughts to turn to sex —which is just about anything). Eventually the body calms down and we find our preferred mate or mates.

I think many, mostly males, freak-out at those early biological responses. The ascribe moral and other strange ideas to it and become majorly fucked-up. Without COMPREHENSIVE SEX ED or at least a good adult to explain what goes on —they can become very disturbed individuals —even those who commit horrific violient crime.

There are so many fucked-up ideas of love as well. Modern society has a very narrow idea of the idea itself. The Greeks had several different definitions.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:11:24am

re: #741 Dr Lizardo

Hoo boy, this could get weird.

Jirga refers to the traditional meeting of leaders to settle disputes in Islam.

However, there are special one in Afghanistan called the Loya Jirga.

A loya jirga (Pashto: لويه جرګه‎, “grand assembly”) is a special type of jirga that is mainly organized for choosing a new head of state in case of sudden death, adopting a new constitution, or to settle national or regional issue such as war.

Curiously, there are 2 that have to do with “Durand,” likely referring to the Durand Line, the British imposed border between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

1707-1709 — Loya jirga was gathered by Mir Wais Hotak at Kandahar in 1707, but according to Ghulam Mohammad Ghobar it was gathered in Manja in 1709.[3]

October 1747 — A jirga at Kandahar was attended by Afghan representatives who appointed Ahmad Shah Durrani as their new leader.

September 1928 — A jirga at Paghman, called by King Amanullah, the third loya jirga of his reign (1919-1929) to discuss reforms.

September 1930 — A jirga a meeting of 286 called by Mohammed Nadir Shah to confirm his accession to the throne.

1941 — Called by Mohammed Zahir Shah to approve neutrality in World War II.

1947 — Held by Pashtuns in the Tribal Agencies to choose between joining India or Pakistan.

July 26, 1949 — Afghanistan-Pakistan relations rapidly deteriorated over a dispute, officially declared that it did not recognize the 1893 Durand Line border any longer between the two countries.

September 1964 — A meeting of 452 called by Mohammed Zahir Shah to approve a new constitution.

July 1974 — A meeting with Pakistan over the Duran Line.

January 1977 — Approved the new constitution of Mohammed Daoud Khan establishing one-party rule in the Republic of Afghanistan.

April 1985 — To ratify the new constitution of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan.

September 2001 — Four different loya jirga movements anticipating the end of Taliban rule. Little communication took place between each of them.

The first was based in Rome around Mohammed Zahir Shah, and it reflected the interests of moderate Pashtuns from Afghanistan. The Rome initiative called for fair elections, support for Islam as the foundation of the Afghan state, and respect for human rights.

The second was based in Cyprus and led by Homayoun Jarir, a member of the Islamic Party of his father-in-law, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. Critics of the Cyprus initiative suspected that it served the interests of Iran. The members of the Cyprus initiative, however, considered themselves closer to the Afghan people and regard the Rome group as too close to the long-isolated nobility.

The most significant was based in Germany, which resulted in the Bonn Agreement (Afghanistan). This agreement was made under United Nations auspices, established the Afghan Interim Authority and paved the way for the later jirgas that established the Constitution of Afghanistan.

A lesser initiative based in Pakistan.

June 13, 2002 - July 13, 2002, The 2002 loya jirga of Afghanistan elected Hamid Karzai to oversee it. This was possible only because in the fall of 2001, Karzai was able to successfully lead one of the largest southern Afghanistan tribes against the draconian rule of the Taliban. The Loya Jirga was organized by the interim administration of Hamid Karzai, with about 1600 delegates, either selected through elections in various regions of the country or allocated to various political, cultural, and religious groups. It was held in a large tent in the grounds of Kabul Polytechnic from June 11 and was scheduled to last about a week. It formed a new Transitional Administration that took office shortly thereafter.

December 2003 — To consider the Proposed Afghan Constitution. See 2003 Loya jirga.

2006 — Afghan president Hamid Karzai said that he and the Pakistani president will jointly lead a loya jirga to end a dispute over border attacks.

December 2009, after his disputed re-election, President Hamid Karzai announced to move ahead with a plan for a loya jirga to discuss the Taliban insurgency. The Taliban was invited to take part in this Jirga.

June 2010, at Kabul, in which around 1,600 delegates of all ethnic groups attended for a peace talks with the Taliban.

November 2013, at Kabul, in which around 3,000 are expected to attend to discuss the status of forces beyond 2014.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:12:02am

re: #726 jaunte

Sorry, posted wrong tweet. This is the one I meant:

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This is what I hope will be the legacy of this event. WE need to remember how good people can be.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:12:39am

re: #731 sagehen

Or at least predicts them.

No, IIRC, there are data showing direct links.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:12:47am

re: #732 Dark_Falcon

Many hunting rifles already use cartridges that are far more powerful than 5.56x45mm. And deer and hog hunting ARs are designed for hunting, not war.

Hunting deer and hogs is about getting yourself and the game in position to take ONE PERFECT SHOT. That’s why hunters traditionally use bolt action rifles and high powered rounds. It doesn’t matter if the rifle kicks enough to screw up the sight picture.

ARs aren’t ‘designed for hunting’, they’re designed for war. They’re ADAPTED for hunting. If you need a semiautomatic to take the game, it’s because you’re a lousy hunter and/or a lousy shot.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:13:01am

re: #746 electrotek

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:14:09am

Another day, another mass shooting.
But remember folks, we don’t have a gun problem. Nope. No siree!

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jaunte  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:14:32am

AR’s are adapted for playing army.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:14:47am

re: #757 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Another day, another mass shooting.
But remember folks, we don’t have a gun problem. Nope. No siree!

It will be 10 years next year since Virginia Tech.

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electrotek  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:15:00am

re: #756 Ziggy_TARDIS

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:16:35am
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:16:43am

re: #752 Ziggy_TARDIS

I think this is beginning to go to a really weird place. The Provisional Government of Afghanistan too?

Apparently, the second one is a corporation by the father.

I think someone in the family is an Afghan Revanchist.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:17:14am

re: #754 Birth Control Works

No, IIRC, there are data showing direct links.

I think sagehen is not disagreeing with that. Mrs. FBW and I were having this very discussion yesterday - children who grow up in abusive homes often go on to abuse their own families. But why? Is it because of what they learn in an abusive home? Or because the abuse causes an anger in them they can lose control over? Or is that uncontrollable anger inherited?

Or, since Nature seems to abhor ‘Either/Or’ explanations, is it a combination of the above?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:17:21am

re: #761 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He seems downright fucking giddy about it.

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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:17:54am

re: #749 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fuck. So glad they caught him. The story said he was driving a car with IL plates.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:18:12am

re: #755 Blind Frog Belly White

Not everyone can or wants ‘one perfect shot’. Often, three good shots fired swiftly is more useful for game hunting.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:18:47am
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Birth Control Works  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:21:13am

re: #763 Blind Frog Belly White

I think sagehen is not disagreeing with that. Mrs. FBW and I were having this very discussion yesterday - children who grow up in abusive homes often go on to abuse their own families. But why? Is it because of what they learn in an abusive home? Or because the abuse causes an anger in them they can lose control over? Or is that uncontrollable anger inherited?

Or, since Nature seems to abhor ‘Either/Or’ explanations, is it a combination of the above?

Yes, I understand.

Many of abusive homes go the opposite way and become law enforcement themselves.

Mark Wynn is one and has made combatting DV his career. His videos are very good. I think most are on youtube.

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Kragar  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:21:23am
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jaunte  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:21:46am
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BeenHereAwhile  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:21:57am

re: #749 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This is written with 24 hour rule in mind:

50 reported dead.

Multiple wounded (say ~50) for total of ~100 casualties.

More than three 30 round 5.56 magazines.

Begs the question; on a warm evening - how do you conceal carry a handgun, an assault rifle, and at least four 30-round magazines into a venue with armed security.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:22:00am

re: #766 Dark_Falcon

Not everyone can or wants ‘one perfect shot’. Often, three good shots fired swiftly is more useful for game hunting.

Then they are crappy hunters.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:22:01am

re: #765 stpaulbear

Fuck. So glad they caught him. The story said he was driving a car with IL plates.

You do know what that makes him? A FALSE FLAG OBAMMUNIST STOOGE SENT TO FRAME REAL AMERICANS AND GET CROOKED HILLARY ELECTED!!!11

That’s what the Freepers will say.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:22:21am

re: #658 jaunte

Yet another sign of a person with a weak sense of identity. Someone who when you ask them the question, “Who are you?”, starts crying because they can’t even begin to answer it.

So they reinforce their identity by destroying the identities of those around them.

His final, horrible act was the penultimate expression of his hopelessness.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:22:53am

re: #757 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Another day, another mass shooting.
But remember folks, we don’t have a gun problem. Nope. No siree!

I know. THIS mass shooting was because of homophobia and/or religion, and THAT mass shooting was because of Mental Illness, and THAT mass shooting was because of racism, and THAT mass shooting was because of stress at work.

Never because guns are so easily accessible. No, it’s always something else.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:23:04am

There is a lot of people with untreated PTSD, TBI and other trauma disorders as a result of domestic violence.

It is serious shit we can no longer ignore.

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Kragar  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:23:08am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:23:11am

re: #766 Dark_Falcon

Not everyone can or wants ‘one perfect shot’. Often, three good shots fired swiftly is more useful for game hunting.

Bullshit.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:23:22am

re: #772 Backwoods_Sleuth

Then they are crappy hunters.

I do not agree.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:23:52am

re: #772 Backwoods_Sleuth

Then they are crappy hunters.

My dad said he wanted one shot between the eyes because he didn’t want the animal to suffer for him to eat.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:25:31am

re: #779 Dark_Falcon

I do not agree.

You don’t hunt.
I have.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:25:44am

re: #780 Birth Control Works

My dad said he wanted one shot between the eyes because he didn’t want the animal to suffer for him to eat.

Then again, my dad could do that. I have his army records to prove it!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:25:47am

re: #762 Ziggy_TARDIS

This is Afghanistan Before the Durand Line:

And After:

This is part of the reason why Pakistan has supported the Taliban. It is a group that is relatively pliant, will generally do what Pakistan asks, and will keep Afghanistan weak.

Otherwise, Afghanistan may get pushy with its claims for Balochistan, FATA, and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

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plansbandc  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:26:17am

Heartbreaking statement by mother of a victim. Fuck.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:26:21am

Futurama NRA Arms Control

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:26:54am

re: #775 Blind Frog Belly White

I know. THIS mass shooting was because of homophobia and/or religion, and THAT mass shooting was because of Mental Illness, and THAT mass shooting was because of racism, and THAT mass shooting was because of stress at work.

Never because guns are so easily accessible. No, it’s always something else.

To be fair, availability of weapons is never the cause of someone going on a rampage. “Hey, I can buy a shotgun with a ten-round magazine, so I’m gonna gun kill people.” is not how things get going. The desire to kill predates the search for a means to kill.

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Kragar  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:27:11am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:27:13am

re: #785 Not a Sparkly Vampire

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Video

Mutated anthrax for duck hunting. HAhaha.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:27:48am

re: #779 Dark_Falcon

I do not agree.

Do you hunt?

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makeitstop  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:31:40am

re: #771 BeenHereAwhile

This is written with 24 hour rule in mind:

50 reported dead.

Multiple wounded (say ~50) for total of ~100 casualties.

More than three 30 round 5.56 magazines.

Begs the question; on a warm evening - how do you conceal carry a handgun, an assault rifle, and at least four 30-round magazines into a venue with armed security.

There was a shootout with security prior to his going into the club. Apparently, he shot his way in.

791
Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:32:06am

Take this with a 1/2 teaspoon of salt, but if true…

792
Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:33:41am

Found something about the Durand Jirga.

Definitely an Afghani Irridentist Organization.

793
Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:34:27am

re: #791 Dark_Falcon

Take this with a 1/2 teaspoon of salt, but if true…

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Even if he did, that doesn’t really mean much. And what’s the point of calling 911 and going “Hey, my name is Omar, and I’m for ISIS. Bye.”

794
Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:34:37am

re: #791 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, yeah.
Your party is hoping this to be the case.
SMH.

795
FormerDirtDart  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:34:37am
796
HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:35:59am

re: #795 FormerDirtDart

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That needs to eb changed.

797
electrotek  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:36:35am

Definitely craves attention:

798
Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:36:36am

O/T the Toyota ad keeps repeating and jerking me back to the top of the page. I cannot turn it off.
Help????

799
Birth Control Works  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:37:16am

re: #797 electrotek

Definitely craves attention:

[Embedded content]

idiot

800
Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:37:19am

re: #797 electrotek

Definitely craves attention:

[Embedded content]

The Fourth Amendment, how the fuck does that work?

801
Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:37:24am

re: #797 electrotek

Definitely craves attention:

[Embedded content]

The killer isn’t even FROM Orlando.

802
Kragar  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:37:31am
803
HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:37:34am

re: #797 electrotek

Definitely craves attention:

[Embedded content]

Did every Christian church need to be searched following the shooting and bombings of abortion clinics, Stevie? Fucking hypocritical right wing cowards.

804
HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:37:56am

re: #800 Timothy Watson

The Fourth Amendment, how the fuck does that work?

It doesn’t work because Stevie doesn’t believe in it for people who don’t practice his religion.

805
Birth Control Works  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:38:05am

re: #798 Aunty Entity Dragon

O/T the Toyota ad keeps repeating and jerking me back to the top of the page. I cannot turn it off.
Help????

I broke-down a while back and started paying Charles—it got rid of the ads and lifted my guilty conscious.

806
Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:38:11am

Crowder got us to respond. Mission accomplished.

Do not tweet back at him.

807
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:38:13am
808
Big Beautiful Door  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:38:51am

re: #777 Kragar

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I heard a report on MSNBC, which I don’t know if its been confirmed or is just more rumor mongering, that before the attack he called 911 and swore allegiance to al-Baghdadi.

809
HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:38:58am

re: #802 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Yeah you don’t say.

810
Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:39:06am

re: #786 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, availability of weapons is never the cause of someone going on a rampage. “Hey, I can buy a shotgun with a ten-round magazine, so I’m gonna gun kill people.” is not how things get going. The desire to kill predates the search for a means to kill.

The worst school massacre occurred in Bath Township, Michigan (close to where I grew up), in 1927. It was done with explosives that were available in hardware stores.

The outrage that came from that caused private ownership of explosives to be entirely outlawed without a license. The government withdrew from hardware and general stores all stocks of the explosive in question in a matter of months.

No one else has blown up a school using explosives since.

Shot ‘em up though? That has been going on since Colonial days.

en.wikipedia.org

811
Birth Control Works  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:39:07am

re: #807 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Donald has made it clear he does not intend to the the POTUS of all Americans.

812
Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:40:11am

re: #793 Belafon

Even if he did, that doesn’t really mean much. And what’s the point of calling 911 and going “Hey, my name is Omar, and I’m for ISIS. Bye.”

His doing so clarifies his actions as terrorism.

813
HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:40:15am

re: #807 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

He’s a vile of shit and so is the party that is about to nominate him for PResident. Appreciate the congrats? YEah Donald, congratulations, 50 people are dead you fuckwad and you’re boasting about it.

814
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:40:19am

re: #804 HappyWarrior

It doesn’t work because Stevie doesn’t believe in it for people who don’t practice his religion.

It hasn’t worked since M.A.D.D. and the cops who wanted to search every car passing a certain point got it repealed by the Supreme Court 30 years ago. The Fourth Amendment is a dead letter.

815
Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:41:13am

There’s a reason when Jesus mentions praying he lists one specific prayer: Pretty much any other prayer, including the one he gave the night before his capture, is self-serving.

816
Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:41:18am

re: #814 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It hasn’t worked since M.A.D.D. and the cops who wanted to search every car passing a certain point got it repealed by the Supreme Court 30 years ago. The Fourth Amendment is a dead letter.

Uh…what? Completely different set of facts.

817
HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:41:49am

re: #810 Anymouse

The worst school massacre occurred in Bath Township, Michigan (close to where I grew up), in 1927. It was done with explosives that were available in hardware stores.

The outrage that came from that caused private ownership of explosives to be entirely outlawed without a license. The government withdrew from hardware and general stores all stocks of the explosive in question in a matter of months.

No one else has blown up a school using explosives since.

Shot ‘em up though? That has been going on since Colonial days.

en.wikipedia.org

As President Obama has pointed out, we responded to high automobile accidents with safety regulations and car accidents are much less common. We may never completely prevent gun violence but we can reduce it and we have been unable to reduce it because one ideology has no desire at all to compromise on anything invoking guns.

818
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:42:22am

re: #812 Dark_Falcon

His doing so clarifies his actions as terrorism.

It’s terrorism even without that.

819
Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:42:49am

Make that now only a grain of salt:

820
Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:42:49am

OH LOOK ISIS!
/Anything do deflect from guns.

821
Birth Control Works  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:42:57am

bbl

822
Jenner7  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:43:21am
823
Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:44:18am

re: #812 Dark_Falcon

His doing so clarifies his actions as terrorism.

Or completely confuses the issue, since it also seems he wasn’t very religious #777, and allows simple minded people to blow this off as no-true-American.

824
Jenner7  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:44:34am

CNN saying the arrest in Santa Monica is unrelated to shooting in Orlando.

825
SoundGuy 2016  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:45:03am

re: #806 Stanley Sea

Crowder got us to respond. Mission accomplished.

Do not tweet back at him.

Dammit, where were you when I needed you the most?

826
Teukka  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:45:12am

re: #766 Dark_Falcon

Not everyone can or wants ‘one perfect shot’. Often, three good shots fired swiftly is more useful for game hunting.

What I’ve heard from professional military, the standard routine is shot, shot, re-aim, shot, shot, re-aim, repeat until target drops.

827
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:45:27am

re: #816 Timothy Watson

Uh…what? Completely different set of facts.

No…illegal search and seizure is now perfectly legal. If you can search a car for the “crime” of passing a certain point, you can search every mosque because some gunman’s name was Omar. The Fourth Amendment has been repealed, and M.A.D.D. were the stalking horses for the authoritarian fuckwads who did it.

828
Bass Reeves  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:46:31am

Wait…so Dark, you don’t actually hunt then? That question was asked twice, with no answer, so…

As a related aside, before he turned out to be a disgusting pig of a person, I used to watch that Son of Guns show on whatever channel, with the gun store owner who did a lot of custom work.

He put a sort of floating pintle mount on an ATV for a disabled vet to be able to go hunting with. I thought that was a nice thing to do, AR hunting rifles might be valid for those who have injuries to the upper extremities (although I’m not actually a fan of sport hunting, if you eat what you kill, at least it’s not a total waste).

829
Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:46:46am

re: #827 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

No…illegal search and seizure is now perfectly legal. If you can search a car for the “crime” of passing a certain point, you can search every mosque because some gunman’s name was Omar. The Fourth Amendment has been repealed, and M.A.D.D. were the stalking horses for the authoritarian fuckwads who did it.

Cars are considered in the public according to the Supreme Court. A church is a private place.

830
Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:46:51am

re: #827 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

No…illegal search and seizure is now perfectly legal. If you can search a car for the “crime” of passing a certain point, you can search every mosque because some gunman’s name was Omar. The Fourth Amendment has been repealed, and M.A.D.D. were the stalking horses for the authoritarian fuckwads who did it.

Yup. Border patrol zones that penetrate one hundred miles from the borders and the coasts. No warrant needed to be searched in those areas.

Folk in McAllen, Texas are getting very tired of being searched all the time because they live in McAllen.

831
Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:47:10am

re: #827 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

No…illegal search and seizure is now perfectly legal. If you can search a car for the “crime” of passing a certain point, you can search every mosque because some gunman’s name was Omar. The Fourth Amendment has been repealed, and M.A.D.D. were the stalking horses for the authoritarian fuckwads who did it.

Uh…you are so completely wrong that I don’t even know where to start.

832
Romantic Heretic  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:47:44am

re: #776 Birth Control Works

There is a lot of people with untreated PTSD, TBI and other trauma disorders as a result of domestic violence.

It is serious shit we can no longer ignore.

Like my wife. She suffered from hideous domestic violence, both growing up, in her first marriage and in her last same sex relationship.

Still sometimes she wakes up screaming. Last time I had to spend fifteen minutes talking to her before she came back to here and now.

It’s unsettling, scary and very, very angering. I loathe the people who did that to her.

And I wish there was more help for people who are in such situations. I also wish far fewer people condoned or ignored such actions.

833
Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:48:50am

re: #831 Timothy Watson

Uh…you are so completely wrong that I don’t even know where to start.

aclu.org

One hundred mile border zone where search and seizure is permitted without a warrant or probable cause.

See also, Nebraska anywhere near the Colorado line looking for maryjane.

834
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:48:56am

re: #831 Timothy Watson

Uh…you are so completely wrong that I don’t even know where to start.

What-the-fuck-ever, dude. But I’m right.

835
stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:49:33am

re: #798 Aunty Entity Dragon

O/T the Toyota ad keeps repeating and jerking me back to the top of the page. I cannot turn it off.
Help????

Are you using Chrome?

If you click on the settings icon (just below the close icon) and go to ‘Settings’/’Show Advanced Settings’ (very bottom)/’Content Settings (just below Privacy)/’Plugins’ and then pick ‘Let me chose when to run plugin content’.

I made this change about a month ago and this site has run a lot better ever since. Now and then I have to take a couple steps to see video content (any vids on Amazon, for example), but it’s an easy tradeoff.

836
Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:51:00am

re: #834 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

What-the-fuck-ever, dude. But I’m right.

Right, because cops never get search warrants anymore.

837
Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:51:06am

From the ACLU page, a couple bullet points:

Roughly two-thirds of the United States’ population lives within the 100-mile zone—that is, within 100 miles of a U.S. land or coastal border. That’s about 200 million people.
Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island and Vermont lie entirely or almost entirely within this area.
Nine of the ten largest U.S. metropolitan areas, as determined by the 2010 Census, also fall within this zone: New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, Philadelphia, Phoenix, San Antonio, San Diego and San Jose.

838
Nyet  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:51:11am

re: #819 Dark_Falcon

Well, it was gonna be either religion or mental illness or both. We now know about the religious part. Let’s see what comes up next.

839
Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:52:52am

re: #837 Anymouse

From the ACLU page, a couple bullet points:

Roughly two-thirds of the United States’ population lives within the 100-mile zone—that is, within 100 miles of a U.S. land or coastal border. That’s about 200 million people.
Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island and Vermont lie entirely or almost entirely within this area.
Nine of the ten largest U.S. metropolitan areas, as determined by the 2010 Census, also fall within this zone: New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, Philadelphia, Phoenix, San Antonio, San Diego and San Jose.

The Supreme Court has always held that there were different standards related to motor vehicles than homes and other structures.

840
Romantic Heretic  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:53:38am

re: #791 Dark_Falcon

Half a teaspoon? I could salt fish to last me for a year on how much I believe that report.

841
Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:54:27am

re: #839 Timothy Watson

The Supreme Court has always held that there were different standards related to motor vehicles and homes and other structures.

aclu.org

Perhaps you should read what the Border Patrol is actually allowed to do. More bullet points:

The Border Patrol often ignores this regulation and rejects any geographic limitation on agents’ authority. At least two federal circuit courts condone Border Patrol operations outside the 100-mile zone, federal regulations and Supreme Court precedent notwithstanding.
Federal border agents are stopping, interrogating, and searching Americans on an everyday basis with absolutely no suspicion of wrongdoing, and often in ways that our Constitution does not permit.

842
Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:54:31am

THE FOURTH AMENDMENT IS DEAD!1!!

I wonder why the Supreme Court still hears cases on it:

Issue: Whether an individual’s Fourth Amendment right to be free from unreasonable seizure continues beyond legal process so as to allow a malicious prosecution claim based upon the Fourth Amendment.

scotusblog.com

843
Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:57:01am

THE FOURTH AMENDMENT IS DEAD!1!!

From 2001:

The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 that the thermal imaging of Kyllo’s home constituted a search. Since the police did not have a warrant when they used the device, which was not commonly available to the public, the search was presumptively unreasonable and therefore unconstitutional. The majority opinion argued that a person has an expectation of privacy in his or her home and therefore, the government cannot conduct unreasonable searches, even with technology that does not enter the home. Justice Scalia also discussed how future technology can invade on one’s right of privacy and therefore authored the opinion so that it protected against more sophisticated surveillance equipment. As a result, Justice Scalia asserted that the difference between “off the wall” surveillance and “through the wall” surveillance was non-existent because both methods physically intruded upon the privacy of the home. Scalia created a “firm but also bright” line drawn by the Fourth Amendment at the “‘entrance to the house.’”[1] This line is meant to protect the home from all types of warrantless surveillance and is an interpretation of what he called “the long view” of the Fourth Amendment. The dissent thought this line was “unnecessary, unwise, and inconsistent with the Fourth Amendment”[2] because according to Scalia’s previous logic, this firm but bright line would be defunct as soon as the surveillance technology used went into general public use, which was still undefined.

en.wikipedia.org

844
Bass Reeves  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:57:15am

re: #842 Timothy Watson

It may not be dead as in off the books, but if the LEO don’t look to see if their actions align with it *first*, then the SCOTUS hearing about it is less than helpful.

So, literally alive, functionally having a pillow held over its face for about 40 minutes.

845
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:57:52am

re: #836 Timothy Watson

Right, because cops never get search warrants anymore.

They get search warrants—sometimes. But the Supreme Court ruled 30 years ago that evidence that was obtained without probable cause could be used in court, so it’s just window dressing.

846
Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:58:48am

DEADER THAN DEAD!!!!

Justice Antonin Scalia authored the majority opinion. He cited a line of cases dating back as far as 1886 to argue that a physical intrusion, or trespass, into a constitutionally-protected area - in an attempt to find something or to obtain information - was the basis, historically, for determining whether a “search” had occurred under the meaning of the Fourth Amendment.[24] Scalia conceded that in the years following Katz v. United States (1967) - in which electronic eavesdropping on a public telephone booth was held to be a search - the vast majority of search and seizure case law has shifted away from that approach founded on property rights, and towards an approach based on a person’s “expectation of privacy”.[25] However, he cited a number of post-Katz cases including Alderman v. United States[26] and Soldal v. Cook County[27] to argue that the trespassory approach had not been abandoned by the Court.[28] In response to criticisms within Alito’s concurrence, Scalia emphasized that the Fourth Amendment must provide, at a minimum, the level of protection as it did when it was adopted. Furthermore, a trespassory test need not exclude a test of the expectation of privacy, which may be appropriate to consider in situations where there was no governmental trespass.[29]

In the instant case, the Court concluded, since the Government’s installation of a GPS device onto the defendant’s car (his “personal effects”) was a trespass that was purposed to obtain information, then it was a search under the Fourth Amendment.

Having reached the conclusion that this was a search under the Fourth Amendment, the Court declined to examine whether any exception exists that would render the search “reasonable”, because the Government had failed to advance that alternate theory in the lower courts.[30][31] Also left unanswered was the broader question surrounding the privacy implications of a warrantless use of GPS data absent a physical intrusion - as might occur, for example, with the electronic collection of GPS data from wireless service providers or factory-installed vehicle tracking and navigation services.[23] The Court left this to be decided in some future case, saying, “It may be that achieving the same result through electronic means, without an accompanying trespass, is an unconstitutional invasion of privacy, but the present case does not require us to answer that question.”[32]

en.wikipedia.org

Justice Scalia’s majority opinion, joined by Justices Kagan, Thomas, Ginsburg and Sotomayor, did not focus on the right to privacy, which is implicated by most modern-day Fourth Amendment cases. Rather, the decision hinged on the basis of a citizen’s property rights. It followed the 2012 precedent from United States v. Jones, that when police physically intrude on persons, houses, papers, or effects for the purpose of obtaining information, “a ‘search’ within the original meaning of the Fourth Amendment” has “undoubtedly occurred.”[42] This conclusion is consistent with the Court’s early Fourth Amendment jurisprudence, which until the latter half of the 20th century was tied to trespass under common law. At the Fourth Amendment’s “very core”, the Court said, stands “the right of a man to retreat into his own home and there be free from unreasonable governmental intrusion.”[43]

Scalia cited precedents as far back as 1765, from Entick v. Carrington, a case before England’s Court of King’s Bench, quoting, “[O]ur law holds the property of every man so sacred, that no man can set his foot upon his neighbour’s close without his leave.”[44] He went on to say:[45]

We therefore regard the area “immediately surrounding and associated with the home”—what our cases call the curtilage—as “part of the home itself for Fourth Amendment purposes.”[46] … That principle has ancient and durable roots. Just as the distinction between the home and the open fields is “as old as the common law,”[47] … so too is the identity of home and what Blackstone called the “curtilage or homestall,” for the “house protects and privileges all its branches and appurtenants.”[48] … This area around the home is “intimately linked to the home, both physically and psychologically,” and is where “privacy expectations are most heightened.”[49]

The Court acknowledged that a doorbell or knocker is typically treated as an invitation, or license, to the public to approach the front door of the home to deliver mail, sell goods, solicit for charities, etc. This license extends to the police, who have the right to try engaging a home’s occupant in a “knock and talk” for the purpose of gathering evidence without a warrant. However:

This implicit license typically permits the visitor to approach the home by the front path, knock promptly, wait briefly to be received, and then (absent invitation to linger longer) leave. Complying with the terms of that traditional invitation does not require fine-grained legal knowledge; it is generally managed without incident by the Nation’s Girl Scouts and trick-or-treaters.[50]

Scalia used the analogies of a “visitor exploring the front path with a metal detector”, or allowing police to “peer into the house through binoculars with impunity” to illustrate such activities that are not implicitly licensed by the homeowner, which would constitute a trespass under common law. The Court concluded that bringing a police dog into the home’s curtilage to perform a forensic exploration for incriminating evidence was therefore an unreasonable search, absent a warrant.[51]

Having determined the unreasonableness of the search on the basis of property rights, the Court stated that it was unnecessary to address whether or not Jardines’ right to privacy was also implicated.[52]

en.wikipedia.org

847
Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:59:37am

re: #845 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They get search warrants—sometimes. But the Supreme Court ruled 30 years ago that evidence that was obtained without probable cause could be used in court, so it’s just window dressing.

Uh…no, they ruled the exact opposite.

Have you heard of the exclusionary rule?

848
Tigger2  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:07:27am

re: #779 Dark_Falcon

I do not agree.

As someone that hunted for about 46 years I have agree with Backwoods_Sleuth on this.

849
b_sharp  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:15:11am

re: #848 Tigger2

As someone that hunted for about 46 years I have agree with Backwoods_Sleuth on this.

I hunted as a kid. A bolt action is more than enough.

850
BeenHereAwhile  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:29:30am

re: #790 makeitstop

There was a shootout with security prior to his going into the club. Apparently, he shot his way in.

Thanks for the update.

851
whitebeach  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:58:59am

re: #766 Dark_Falcon

Not everyone can or wants ‘one perfect shot’. Often, three good shots fired swiftly is more useful for game hunting.

The only hunters I know who use “three good shots fired swiftly” are duck hunters, and they expect three ducks as a result.

You clearly don’t know jack about hunting, and therefore should shut up on the subject.

852
Jebediah, RBG  Jun 12, 2016 • 3:24:28pm

re: #706 Anymouse

If this wasn’t religiously-motivated, I’ll eat my trilby hat and post the photo on LGF. I am that certain, though I do apologise.

DO NOT eat that hat. It is possible to get too much fiber in your diet.

853
palomino  Jun 12, 2016 • 3:39:23pm

Deleted.

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palomino  Jun 12, 2016 • 3:42:56pm

re: #786 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, availability of weapons is never the cause of someone going on a rampage. “Hey, I can buy a shotgun with a ten-round magazine, so I’m gonna gun kill people.” is not how things get going. The desire to kill predates the search for a means to kill.

We all know that the desire predates the actual killing, you amazing dumbass.

The point of gun control laws is simple: reduce the AMOUNT of carnage and the availability of the most dangerous of killing machines. Why are you gun fuckers unable to comprehend this?


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