Donald Trump’s Ugly Tweets on Orlando

“Appreciate the congrats”
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The Republican Party’s nominee for president of the United States immediately made the Orlando attack all about him, tweeting “Appreciate the congrats for being right.”

And then followed this ugly egomaniacal comment with a tweet bashing President Obama for not saying the magic words “radical Islamic terrorism” (a moronic talking point he knows the degraded right wing base absolutely loves) and demanding that he “resign in disgrace” because he didn’t utter the incantation.

Not a word of sympathy for the victims of this horrible attack.

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269 comments
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Kryptik  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:26:05am

Knowing how fucking sick this country is as of late, I wouldn’t doubt if this actually did end up helping Trump enormously.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:27:03am
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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:27:56am

re: #1 Kryptik

Knowing how fucking sick this country is as of late, I wouldn’t doubt if this actually did end up helping Trump enormously.

Waiting to see if he makes some additional outrageous proposal, like a “temporary” closure of US mosques, are requiring all muslims to register with the government.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:28:51am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

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I know D’Souza is thrilled it was committed by a muslim. He accuses the President of thinking like he does.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:29:25am

He was a good American/guy with a gun, right up to the moment he started murderng people.

Oh. And this.

Moar guns for everyone. An armed society is a safe and polite society.

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unproven innocence  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:29:46am

Dear Donato: It’s not all about you, so fuck off. Sincerely, with all due respect.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:31:10am

re: #4 Big Beautiful Door

I know D’Souza is thrilled it was committed by a muslim. He accuses the President of thinking like he does.

He’s thrilled that it was a Muslim. Meanwhile those of us who actually can function without being pathetic pigs are feeling for the victims and their families after this tragedy.

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electrotek  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:32:22am

She’s so dishonest:

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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:33:05am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Is he going to dissolve into a stinky pool of puss after Obama leaves the presidency? He doesn’t seem to have any other reason for existing other than to bash Obama.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:35:23am

re: #9 stpaulbear

Is he going to dissolve into a stinky pool of puss after Obama leaves the presidency? He doesn’t seem to have any other reason for existing other than to bash Obama.

He has moved onto bashing Hillary with another one of his awful movies.

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electrotek  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:37:00am

Look at the abuse he is receiving not from wingnuts, but by Twitter jihadis.

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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:39:07am

re: #8 electrotek

She’s so dishonest:

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It’s so imbedded in her that GLBT people shouldn’t be equal that she doesn’t see marriage amendments as a law against GLBTs.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:39:41am

re: #8 electrotek

She’s so dishonest:

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I’d say forbidding them from donating blood is pretty anti glbt as forbidding then from adopting or allowing them to marry, ya know that whole decision so many conservatives claimed was a terrible day for America.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:39:45am

re: #11 electrotek

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Look at the abuse he is receiving not from wingnuts, but by Twitter jihadis.

It is a sad truth of human existence that voices of sanity in a crisis tend to get hit from more than one direction.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:40:33am

re: #12 stpaulbear

It’s so imbedded in her that GLBT people shouldn’t be equal that she doesn’t see marriage amendments as a law against GLBTs.

Blood bans, adoption bans, bans from certain professions

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:41:27am

Channel 9 talking heads now talking about ISIS throwing gays off buildings.

No mention of course of Christians attacking or jailing gays in the USA (Matthew Shepard, Harvey Milk, Stonewall Inn, &c)

Somehow that’s different.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:41:41am

re: #13 HappyWarrior

I’d say forbidding them from donating blood is pretty anti glbt as forbidding then from adopting or allowing them to marry, ya know that whole decision so many conservatives claimed was a terrible day for America.

I just gave blood the other day. The question that pertains to gays is if you’ve had sex with another man, so it’s a bit broader than that. But there are also restrictions based on whether you’ve been to other countries. This now includes Mexico and South America due to the Zika virus.

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electrotek  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:42:21am

I shouldn’t let some 1 follower dickwad get to me, but this enrages me so much:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:43:43am

re: #16 Anymouse

Channel 9 talking heads now talking about ISIS throwing gays off buildings.

No mention of course of Christians attacking or jailing gays in the USA (Matthew Shepard, Harvey Milk, Stonewall Inn, &c)

Somehow that’s different.

Of course. Gotta make homophobia sound foreign even though one of our parties has candidates who attends lectures by a homophobic douche who believes fat people should be executed.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:44:00am
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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:45:03am

re: #16 Anymouse

Channel 9 talking heads now talking about ISIS throwing gays off buildings.

No mention of course of Christians attacking or jailing gays in the USA (Matthew Shepard, Harvey Milk, Stonewall Inn, &c)

Somehow that’s different.

To be fair, these murders were not carried out by a Christian.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:45:08am

re: #17 Belafon

I just gave blood the other day. The question that pertains to gays is if you’ve had sex with another man (so it’s a bit broader than that). But there are also restrictions based on whether you’ve been to other countries. This now includes Mexico and South America due to the Zika virus.

Mexico and South America for Zika is sensible, since we know the virus is transmitted in blood and an adult will not necessarily know they ever had the disease. Certain European countries for BSE makes sense because there is no way to test for prion disease.

For a very long time we have had tests to ensure HIV, which is not passed just by gay men, does not enter the blood supply. There is no empirical reason that all men who have ever had same-sex should be banned from giving blood. (Therefore, it is anti-gay bias, which makes sense from the anti-science party.)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:46:21am

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, these murders were not carried out by a Christian.

No, it’s not fair, he’s talking about how the media is making violent homophobia out to be something unique to Muslums when we know that’s not true.

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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:46:46am
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nines09  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:47:46am

Trump is perfectly at home making profit from others pain and suffering. It’s so him. Sociopathic bloodsucker. Ignore the fact that this mass murder is some of our very own “bastions of society’s” wet dream.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:48:41am

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, these murders were not carried out by a Christian.

I’ll bet you that’s how they identified themselves. But somehow it’s different.

“Not a true Christian (tm)” versus “All Muslims must denounce Radical Islamic Terror (tm)” (all 1 billion of them, apparently with one voice)

The President just ordered the flag to half-staff until June 16.

whitehouse.gov

Excuse me while I make the rounds of the village and lower the flags to half staff. Will be back shortly.

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b_sharp  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:50:18am

re: #16 Anymouse

Channel 9 talking heads now talking about ISIS throwing gays off buildings.

No mention of course of Christians attacking or jailing gays in the USA (Matthew Shepard, Harvey Milk, Stonewall Inn, &c)

Somehow that’s different.

Or supporting death sentences for gays in other countries.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:51:00am

re: #26 Anymouse

I’ll bet you that’s how they identified themselves. But somehow it’s different.

“Not a true Christian (tm)” versus “All Muslims must denounce Radical Islamic Terror (tm)” (all 1 billion of them, apparently with one voice)

The President just ordered the flag to half-staff until June 16.

whitehouse.gov

Excuse me while I make the rounds of the village and lower the flags to half staff. Will be back shortly.

Count down until complaints about Obama not lowering flags for a soldier but is for this.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:51:41am

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, these murders were not carried out by a Christian.

I wouldn’t make that blanket statement. We don’t have documentation as far as I can tell about Milk’s killer, Don White’s, beliefs, but he was raised Roman Catholic.

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Jenner7  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:54:23am
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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:54:34am

Yeah, let’s not also forget the RW support in this country for the anti-gay bill in Uganda.
Or GOP candidates endorsing a pastor who says gays should be executed.
No, no, let’s just ignore that because ISIS!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:54:37am

re: #15 HappyWarrior

Blood bans, adoption bans, bans from certain professions

restrooms…………

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Jenner7  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:54:44am
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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:54:45am

re: #29 Belafon

I wouldn’t make that blanket statement. We don’t have documentation as far as I can tell about Milk’s killer, Don White’s, beliefs, but he was raised Roman Catholic.

I was referring to the murders in Orlando.

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nines09  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:55:51am

I’m assuming that photo of Don The Con above is recent. His above eyebrow life form seems to be stressed. Must be all the abject pandering and outright lies stripping out vital nutrients. It’s dying.

That was different. Typed nutrients.it and boom…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:55:52am

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, these murders were not carried out by a Christian.

How do you even know that???

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Jenner7  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:56:03am

BTW, authorities in LA are saying the arrest there was not related to what happened in Orlando. At least, that’s what I heard on CNN before Obama spoke.

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nines09  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:57:09am

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

The name. The name will tell you all you need to know. ////

If this guy was so twisted he could do this, what the fuck does it matter what he shouted out, and why do you think he would be Muslim? But I get it. Italians are all mob, Irish are drunks and those Polish are stupid.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:58:01am

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

I was referring to the murders in Orlando.

You were not responding to a comment about Orlando.

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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:59:55am

re: #30 Jenner7

Finally, we need to keep guns like the ones used last night out of the hands of terrorists and other violent criminals.

“See, she’s coming for our guns!!” says the NRA.

PS: I think Hillary’s whole statement is well balanced and spot-on.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:01:03pm

re: #30 Jenner7

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I have been primarily motivated by the desperate need to keep any Republican out of the White House, but more and more, I really do want her to be President.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:03:46pm

My apologizes for any confusion.

BBL

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:04:36pm

Evan Hurst over at Wonkette sounds kind of weary, too:

50 Dead, 53 Injured After Orlando Gay Club Shooting, Because That’s What Happens Now

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:04:44pm

good freaking grief

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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:06:24pm

re: #37 Jenner7

BTW, authorities in LA are saying the arrest there was not related to what happened in Orlando. At least, that’s what I heard on CNN before Obama spoke.

As I mentioned a couple threads ago, that just means that there were two shitbags that simultaneously thought that it would be a good idea to kill as many LBGT people as possible. After this restroom bullshit, haters think this is something doable.

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electrotek  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:07:34pm
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Nyet  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:08:25pm

There are bald eagles. There are also bald vultures.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:08:51pm

Sigh. Fuck. I just can’t even. I honestly can’t bear to look at social media today. So I won’t. I’m working on a flying monkey stuffed animal (which is harder than it sounds, the person who designed this pattern is on my shit list), a monkey I’m adding bat wings to. Why? I don’t know, call me whimsical. Or weird.

I tried watching the”news” a couple of times this morning and just couldn’t take it. God this country is just full of stupid and dishonest people. So then The Husband decides to watch The Big Short. No this did nothing to improve my mood.

I’m going to have some ice cream and hang out here for a few and then get to work on those monkey wings. What the hell is wrong with this country? We’re supposed to be blessed and happy and all that, then why are so many of us angry, sad, depressed and full of hate? WTF?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:09:53pm

re: #46 electrotek

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So do 96% of the people who comment on Breitbart articles and he wasn’t Palestinian and Palenstinians aren’t all Muslims either.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:11:32pm

re: #46 electrotek

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Gee, wonder what that number is among the GOP base.
/Rhetorical

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electrotek  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:11:44pm
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De Kolta Chair  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:11:47pm
“When I’m president, defeating ISIS will be a breeze. Speaking of breeze, will somebody close the goddamn window?”
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A Cranky One  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:12:05pm

Regardless of the shooter’s motive, right now there are hundreds of family members and friends who are in pain and shock as a result of his actions. My thoughts go to all those hurt, directly and indirectly, by this atrocity.

To all those people trying to use this to further their agenda against Muslims and gays, I say a hearty “Fuck you, heartless bastards!”

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[deleted]  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:12:25pm
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calochortus  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:12:26pm

re: #48 A Mom Anon

Except for the part about flying monkeys, this pretty much describes how I feel. I keep starting to post and then deleting.

I do wonder why the folks that say terrorism will improve Trump’s chances of being elected think that conservatives would want to vote for ISIS’s preferred candidate.

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electrotek  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:12:33pm

This Argentine shithead gets upset over being equated with Breivik, even though he calls for killing all Muslims

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:12:58pm

re: #46 electrotek

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electrotek  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:13:47pm
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Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:14:03pm
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calochortus  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:14:12pm

re: #54 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

Ummm, no.

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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:14:18pm

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

good freaking grief

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They probably said it because they want to get Trump elected. With this current media feeding frenzy, the statement will have as much effect as if they’d planned the shooting themselves. ugh.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:15:34pm

Hmm…..

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gocart mozart  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:17:25pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:17:51pm
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Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:18:03pm

Killer was interviewed twice by FBI. Couldn’t make anything stick.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:18:11pm

re: #54 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

As long as I can send all Christian gun nuts back to, I guess, England, then we’ll have something to talk about. This guy was American, in more ways than just being born here.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:18:27pm

re: #54 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

This is how well ‘It’s Racist to Ban Muslims’ works:

Mateen had reportedly bragged about ties to “terrorist organizations” in the past, and became a person of interest to the FBI in 2013 and 2014. An investigation on Mateen was also opened prior to the attack, but ended up closing as it produced nothing that appeared to warrant further investigation.[47]

(Wiki)

He’s an American citizen. How would Herr Trump’s Muslim ban prevented this?

Any other snarky comments?

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Nyet  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:19:21pm

re: #62 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Hmm…..

Exactly.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:20:11pm

Bought the guns in the last week or so.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:21:02pm

ATF just reported that the shooter purchased two firearms in the past few days.

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Danack  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:21:06pm

re: #66 Belafon

As long as I can send all Christian gun nuts back to, I guess, England,

No backsies.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:21:07pm

Gun people are in a tough spot right now.

On terror list. 2 times interviewed by FBI

Was able to buy guns this week.

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Nyet  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:21:16pm

re: #69 Stanley Sea

Bought the guns in the last week or so.

Should have been on a list. As Obama said.

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blueraven  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:21:19pm

re: #54 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

Fuck off. You are an idiot.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:22:07pm

re: #72 Stanley Sea

Gun people are in a tough spot right now.

On terror list. 2 times interviewed by FBI

Was able to buy guns this week.

They’ll weasel. They always do.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:22:13pm

re: #63 gocart mozart

It takes a complete socipathic piece of shit to not even get how his own hatred contributes to this shitty fucking environment that makes these shootings so motherfucking COMMON that they get used up for all the sensationalism that can be wrung out of them and then forgotten. Til the next one, and the one after that.

I’m sick of it. Sick of the lies and the hate. Sick of the holier than thou, looking down their noses at those they feel are beneath them and deserve to suffer while claiming to be god’s own chosen. I feel hopeless and sad. I used to think greed would be the end of humans, but it won’t be. Hate will (greed after all stems from hate too).

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:22:37pm

re: #72 Stanley Sea

Gun people are in a tough spot right now.

On terror list. 2 times interviewed by FBI

Was able to buy guns this week.

AMURIKA!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:24:13pm

jeez…it’s too hot today to drag out the grill…

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:25:30pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

It is warm Philly too. I do not mind dragging out the grill for a troll roasting. :)

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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:26:11pm
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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:28:37pm

I’m back.

My official duties of Flag Committee Chairman in my village include sending out sad messages to county officials on half-staff notices.

The message I just sent:

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Fifty people were killed and at least fifty-three were injured in a mass shooting in an Orlando nightclub at about 2AM Eastern Time. This is the largest mass-shooting in the United States’s history. As National Public Radio notes about any tragedy:

This is a developing story, some things reported in the media now will turn out to be wrong. Focus on reports from police officials and other authorities, credible news outlets, and reporters on the scene.

whitehouse.gov

President Barack Obama has issued a half-staff notice for all government grounds, ships, stations, legations, and embassies of the United States, effective until sundown June 16. This includes the flag flying half-staff on Flag Day, June 14. The Mayor of Orlando Buddy Dyer requests a moment of silence at 6PM Eastern Time (4PM Mountain Time) to remember those who died and those who are injured.

For flags that cannot be lowered to half-staff (such as those from a gaff on a porch or a boat, or those displayed on a fixed staff in an office or flat on a wall), the American Legion recommends affixing a black ribbon the width of one stripe and the length of the flag to the top of the gaff or staff. For a flag displayed flat, a bow should be affixed to the top or the centre of the flag.

HONORING THE VICTIMS OF THE ATTACK IN ORLANDO, FLORIDA
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BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
A PROCLAMATION
As a mark of respect for the victims of the act of hatred and terror perpetrated on Sunday, June 12, 2016, in Orlando, Florida, by the authority vested in me as President of the United States by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, I hereby order that the flag of the United States shall be flown at half-staff at the White House and upon all public buildings and grounds, at all military posts and naval stations, and on all naval vessels of the Federal Government in the District of Columbia and throughout the United States and its Territories and possessions until sunset, June 16, 2016. I also direct that the flag shall be flown at half-staff for the same length of time at all United States embassies, legations, consular offices, and other facilities abroad, including all military facilities and naval vessels and stations.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this
twelfth day of June, in the year of our Lord two thousand sixteen, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and fortieth.
BARACK OBAMA

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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:28:59pm
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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:30:01pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

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Florida: Shall-issue state.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:30:15pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

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I’m not surprised.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:30:51pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:31:08pm
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[deleted]  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:33:07pm
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Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:33:25pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

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So the lottery, to encourage stores to sell tickets, pays stores awards when the winning ticket is bought at that store. Maybe we should do something similar. Every time a mass shooting occurs, take cameras and one of those big cardboard checks and present an award to the store for selling the guns.

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TK-421  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:34:27pm

I hope the victims loved ones find peace after this nightmare.

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Sherlock Hound  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:34:30pm

re: #87 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

WHAT PART OF “AMERICAN CITIZEN” NEEDS EXPLAINING?

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:35:05pm

re: #87 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

Exactly my point. The fact that he was American didnt mean anything. The fact that he was Muslim did.

No, you cant deport Americans for being Muslims, but you can sure not let any more in temporarily .. Until you at least get a handle on the situation

So, where should we deport Dylan Roof? Where should we deport Robert Lewis Dear, Jr.? Where should we have deported Timothy McVeigh?

Maybe we can put a temporary ban on people being born in America.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:35:44pm

OK, that grill needs firing up NOW and I don’t care anymore how hot it is outside.

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electrotek  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:35:45pm
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Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:35:52pm

“get a handle on the situation”

how the fuck do you get a handle on the situation?

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calochortus  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:36:00pm

re: #87 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

Exactly my point. The fact that he was American didnt mean anything. The fact that he was Muslim did.

No, you cant deport Americans for being Muslims, but you can sure not let any more in temporarily .. Until you at least get a handle on the situation

Congratulations. You have earned 2 out of the 4 downdings I have bestowed in 6 years here. I am now officially done with you.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:37:02pm

re: #89 TK-421

That is going to take awhile, if ever. It might help if this country, who loudly proclaims to be so pro life, actually valued human life over guns and money. I’m not holding my breath. Once the dust settles and time passes, I think anger is going to be what’s left, not peace. Not until we demand better and run the NRA and most of K-Street the fuck out of our government. If we want a better country, we have to be better citizens. And better to each other.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:37:03pm

So Mateen’s ties to islamic terrorism seem to be him saying shit about ties to it just to fuck with people and threaten them.

Typical behavior of your average Twitter conservative.

thehill.com

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A Cranky One  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:37:29pm

re: #87 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

Exactly my point. The fact that he was American didnt mean anything. The fact that he was Muslim did.

No, you cant deport Americans for being Muslims, but you can sure not let any more in temporarily .. Until you at least get a handle on the situation

Here’s my comment that appears right before your first comment:

Regardless of the shooter’s motive, right now there are hundreds of family members and friends who are in pain and shock as a result of his actions. My thoughts go to all those hurt, directly and indirectly, by this atrocity.

To all those people trying to use this to further their agenda against Muslims and gays, I say a hearty “Fuck you, heartless bastards!”

Let me repeat that for your sake: Fuck you, heartless bastard!

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TK-421  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:37:34pm

re: #87 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

WTF does “getting a handle of the situation” mean?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:38:22pm

re: #99 TK-421

WTF does “getting a handle of the situation” mean?

Deport everyone who isn’t like the hatchling.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:38:26pm

re: #87 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

I like how you assholes keep saying “temporarily” as if A.) that somehow makes it less flagrantly unconstitutional, and B.) that’s honestly your plan at all.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:38:40pm

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ll bring some cold water for us both and help you drag that grill out of the shed, let’s do it.

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Jenner7  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:39:09pm
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[deleted]  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:39:11pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:39:39pm

re: #102 A Mom Anon

I’ll bring some cold water for us both and help you drag that grill out of the shed, let’s do it.

I’m not even wasting time, effort and ingredients on a marinade.
Just grill it until it’s charcoal.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:40:07pm

re: #104 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

Yes, because nothing screams safety like allowing GUNS IN A FUCKING BAR.

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calochortus  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:41:00pm

I think I’ll do something moderately constructive for a while.

BBL

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:41:22pm

re: #97 SoundGuy 2016

So, essentially, he was a Muslim version of the Alt-Right trolls.

Wondering if 4Channers and Redditors need to be on a watchlist.

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[deleted]  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:42:04pm
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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:42:13pm

re: #106 A Mom Anon

I’ve heard that he shot his way in.

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TK-421  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:42:42pm

re: #104 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

The republican convention will be a gun free zone. Are they anti-gun?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:42:49pm

right about now with the hatchling:

.
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[deleted]  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:43:03pm
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SteelPH  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:44:06pm

Projection.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:44:15pm
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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:44:40pm

How muslim was he really?

He was clearly, virulently, violently, homophobic. In a state where it’s easy to buy assault weapons.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:45:48pm

re: #87 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

Exactly my point. The fact that he was American didnt mean anything. The fact that he was Muslim did.

No, you cant deport Americans for being Muslims, but you can sure not let any more in temporarily .. Until you at least get a handle on the situation

Are you a fucking idiot or just pretending to be one? Do everyone a favor and go away.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:46:11pm
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[deleted]  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:47:31pm
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unproven innocence  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:47:38pm

re: #113 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

That’s because you live in an echo chamber, sir, (and don’t even realize it).

Now, that’s irony.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:47:41pm

re: #94 Stanley Sea

“get a handle on the situation”

how the fuck do you get a handle on the situation?

If we want to “get a handle on the situation”, we should ban homophobes. His motive was to target the SGM community.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:47:58pm

“If they’d only had guns inside, only 48 could have been killed instead of 50.”

Guns aren’t shields that somehow make the other guns not work.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:48:13pm

re: #119 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

Go fuck off.

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TK-421  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:49:48pm

re: #119 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

Now I know you’re just a deranged clown. Landslide? Really?

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A Cranky One  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:50:27pm

re: #109 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

Does the same thing apply to people who use this to advance their agenda against lawful gun ownership?

Nope, because they recognize one fact that you don’t: the ready availability of guns made this atrocity possible, no matter the shooter’s motive.

And the gun fuckers who claim that the only solution is even more guns are total idiots, who are enabling this type of atrocity.

Now fuck off, asshole.

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[deleted]  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:50:33pm
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sagehen  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:50:45pm

re: #119 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

There’s a lot of debate about that right now. We debate things on the right. Reach the solution that is the most practical for saving the lives of people inside the convention hall. That’s why Trump will win in a landslide. He will do what’s right for the American people, not what’s politically correct.

A gun-yes zone in Orlando would have saved over a 100 casualties.

There’s zero debate about that right now. The secret service has been quite clear that “the most practical for saving the lives of people inside the convention hall” is not letting people with guns into the convention hall.

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scottslemmons  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:51:05pm

re: #119 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

Pro-Nazi troll says what?

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:51:14pm

re: #126 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

You know that the shooter was a registered Democrat, right? Right??

Well, we know where you’re getting your information from.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:51:33pm

re: #119 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

Go to Hell Asshole.

I have found more acceptance from the Muslim Community than I ever enjoyed in pasty-white suburban America.

I have a different proposition for you. How about you grow a brain a and figure out rationally that, of the 600+ shootings and attacks in the last 2-3 years, only 3 have any connections to Takfiri assholes.

I know you all well enough that Temporary would not be good enough for you. It would become permanent, and then you all would discuss more Nazi-esque policies.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:51:39pm

Echo Chamber!
Registered Democrat!

DRINK!

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ramex  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:51:48pm

Trump tweets that the killer was shouting “Allahu akbar,” and probably doesn’t realize how in fucking fear some of us are of gun toting maniacs shouting, “Make America great again,” as they fire upon their perceived bogeyman enemies at will.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:52:05pm

re: #126 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

You know that the shooter was a registered Democrat, right? Right??

And that means what exactly. Please explain.

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gocart mozart  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:52:39pm
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Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:53:11pm

They are releasing names of victims.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:53:30pm

This hatchling is so predictable it’s boring.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:53:58pm

Where’s the ban hammer at when you need it?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:54:16pm

Everytime there is a mass shooting I get a message from my mom saying how much she loves me and that she worries about my safety in this country.

How fucked up is that?? A mother fears for the safety of her son who lives in what is supposedly the freest nation in the world.

Its not just guns. It’s media, it’s culture, its people not giving two fucks about mental health and a gun lobby that has gotten way the fuck out of control.

All around where I live now I see signs at restaurants and stores and other businesses saying handguns and assault weapons are banned on premises.

That’s where we’re at now, we actually need signs to tell people to NOT bring fucking ASSAULT WEAPONS to the Quick Mart on the corner.

Its like common sense died a bloody death never to return. How many body bags will it take before we wise the fuck up?

I am not even anti-gun. I’m anti-STUPID PEOPLE.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:54:39pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:54:50pm

re: #126 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

Horrible comment. Would downding again.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:54:57pm

re: #136 Backwoods_Sleuth

This hatchling is so predictable it’s boring.

INORIGHT? Even worth a Talking Point Bingo round or will it be gone soon enough?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:55:31pm

re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth

That fact they are willing to forgo fasting for this says a LOT.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:56:20pm
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[deleted]  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:56:41pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:57:20pm
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[deleted]  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:57:22pm
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De Kolta Chair  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:57:28pm
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TedStriker  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:57:39pm

re: #54 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

re: #87 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

re: #104 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

re: #109 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

re: #113 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

re: #119 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:58:35pm

Don’t quote the troll. Use reply.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:59:23pm

Pretty sure this isn’t the hatchling’s first time begging for Stinky’s attention here.
Starting to sound familiar.

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[deleted]  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:59:38pm
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unproven innocence  Jun 12, 2016 • 12:59:46pm

re: #144 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

Yeah its a funny thing. People dont like politicians whose go-to position is always to stick up for foreign nationals and multinational companies.

In June 1980, people were saying the same thing about the Reagan landslide.

Reagan joked on live TV about bombing Russia in 5 minutes. Such a funny guy.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:00:33pm

Smells like a sock.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:00:55pm

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove’s solution is that we need to point more guns at each other. The best way to stop bleeding is more cuts. Eventually.

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TK-421  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:01:28pm

RWNJ are turning me into a “gun grabber”. Close smith and wesson down, confiscate all guns and melt them down. The second amendment is a relic of compromise with the slave owning southern confederacy. An abomination then, an abomination now.

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[deleted]  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:01:35pm
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De Kolta Chair  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:02:01pm

re: #148 TedStriker

And you know this… Man! - Chris Tucker (Friday)
;-)

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A Cranky One  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:02:42pm

re: #126 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

You know that the shooter was a registered Democrat, right? Right??

Anything to deflect from the fact that the shooter was able to legally purchase military grade weapons, designed to kill as many people as possible in a short time, a policy supported by the Republicans and NRA and apparently by you as well.

Yah, blame the religion or political party (although I wouldn’t believe anything SMOTI says), but not the easy availability of weapons designed to kill as efficiently as possible.

It must hurt to be so stupid. Fuck off.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:02:44pm

re: #151 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

You found his that quickly.

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Jenner7  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:02:46pm

“polite speech”.

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:03:02pm

self-deleted for replying to myself.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:03:40pm

re: #158 A Cranky One

It must hurt to be so stupid.

Not enough, obviously.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:04:39pm

‘polite speech’ ‘sacred cows’

Yep, classic Trolljection. Where’s that tube of TrollBGone salve?

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Nyet  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:04:45pm

re: #156 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

So if you, for example, call to kill the Jews - but do it politely, we should tolerate it?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:04:58pm

A karma ratio of -17:1 in an hour. That’s…impressive.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:06:45pm

I don’t go hunting for stuff like this, so I don’t know: Are voter registrations public?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:07:18pm

welp, won’t be seeing that hatchling again, at least with THAT name.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:08:25pm

OT: When did you stop going back up to the post you replied to?

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:09:08pm

re: #166 Belafon

I know in Philly there are street lists and voter registration books used on election day. I would say for the most part they are.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:09:17pm

Time to break out the nuke tool.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:09:45pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

Echo Chamber!
Registered Democrat!

DRINK!

I already am.

Talking head on Channel 9 says lots of people calling the station asking why the FBI did not connect the dots, why aren’t they reconnoitring people who are potential threats, &c. Talking head blaming Homeland Security for not providing funds (Congress you idiot provides funds). Gaa, I only have a high school diploma and I can read the Constitution and understand it. Why can’t I get a multi-thousand dollar job as a talking head? Oh right, liberal media.

Wow, lots of people are ready to throw out a whole lot of the Constitution (and their own state laws on shall-issue) to copulate with that II Amendment chicken.

But they wouldn’t put up a dime of tax money to do any of that, you betcha.

Back to Jim Wright of Stonekettle’s blog entry on why we will never end gun violence. Because even the ideas proposed by those who are all II Amendment all the time will not support their own ideas. They all see any sort of law that would implement their own ideas as a “slippery slope.”

So Chief Warrant Officer Wright is correct: There is nothing we can do. Until the paranoid part of society decides that enough death and carnage and bloodshed that claims about as many US lives as the Vietnam War did every single year, nothing can be done.

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gocart mozart  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:09:57pm
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unproven innocence  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:11:08pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

Time to break out the nuke tool.

Careful. You’re beginning to sound like a politician.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:12:05pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

Time to break out the nuke tool.

When nukes are illegal, only criminals will have nukes.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:13:08pm

The talking heads at ABC Channel 9 are talking about “taking the war to ISIS.”

They sound like cheerleaders for Dick Cheney.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:13:14pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:13:18pm

It’s indecent to raise the poltical aspect so soon, but since Trum is already beating his droopy, crepe-skinned chest over this, I have to respond.
For some time, we have speculated that the Trump campaign’s only hope in the general would be some kind of catastrophe, a 9-11 level event, that would give his insane ideas just enough credibility to swing the vote his way.
This massacre in Orlando falls short of that, but pro-Trump ghouls like Fischer, Drudge, Hannity etc. will try their best to inflate it to his advantage.

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scottslemmons  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:13:23pm

re: #156 ImmigrationHawkMilitaryDove

Loud Goat at Lake Tobias

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TK-421  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:13:46pm

Trump will use this tragedy to boost his sagging numbers. Lucky he lives in america, because it will undoubtedly work.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:13:48pm

re: #166 Belafon

I don’t go hunting for stuff like this, so I don’t know: Are voter registrations public?

Depends. Here in Ventura County if you know someone’s street house number and birthday you can find their current registration and vote by mail ballot status.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:14:50pm

re: #169 PhillyPretzel

I know in Philly there are street lists and voter registration books used on election day. I would say for the most part they are.

I always thought those were just lists of people in the precinct.

I’m not unethical enough to type in Omar’s information into the Florida voter registration site to see what comes up.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:15:54pm

re: #173 unproven innocence

Careful. You’re beginning to sound like a politician.

I wasn’t issued my nukes? How am I going to defend my town???

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:16:02pm

re: #177 Shiplord Kirel

I’m not sure it falls short of that, actually.

This is the worst mass shooting in US history.

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lawhawk  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:16:27pm

It’s absolutely sickening to learn of the mass murder at the club in Florida, and it’s hardly surprising that the right wing knuckle draggers are pushing Islamophobia in extreme, even though many of the same people are anti-gay to the same militant extent.

Trump makes this all about him. No shock or surprise there.

He says we have to go after someone - hold someone responsible. Never mind that he can’t identify who, what, where, and how to do any of those things.

Palin says the answer is more guns. Again. No surprise there.

The right wing solution to everything is always more guns. Never mind that there was an armed guard at the club and that didn’t stop the attacks.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:16:30pm

re: #132 ramex

Trump tweets that the killer was shouting “Allahu akbar,” and probably doesn’t realize how in fucking fear some of us are of gun toting maniacs shouting, “Make America great again,” as they fire upon their perceived bogeyman enemies at will.

NO MORE BABY PARTS!!!!!

More acceptable

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:17:38pm

re: #177 Shiplord Kirel

It’s indecent to raise the poltical aspect so soon, but since Trum is already beating his droopy, crepe-skinned chest over this, I have to respond.
For some time, we have speculated that the Trump campaign’s only hope in the general would be some kind of catastrophe, a 9-11 level event, that would give his insane ideas just enough credibility to swing the vote his way.
This massacre in Orlando falls short of that, but pro-Trump ghouls like Fischer, Drudge, Hannity etc. will try their best to inflate it to his advantage.

If this happened in late October (and something else like it might, of course), it could tilt the election. I think this will blow over by November 8. I hope so, anyway.

Maybe the BernieBros constantly calling HRC a warmonger will come in useful for once.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:17:57pm

re: #181 Belafon

Philly Voter Info: philadelphiavotes.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:18:53pm

re: #186 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

If this happened in late October (and something else like it might, of course), it could tilt the election. I think this will blow over by November 8. I hope so, anyway.

Maybe the BernieBros constantly calling HRC a warmonger will come in useful for once.

Sadly, I’m pretty sure it will “blow over” a lot sooner than that.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:19:43pm

re: #184 lawhawk

Just like more drunk drivers will stop drunk driving, more bank robbers will stop bank robbery, more guns will stop gun murders.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:20:00pm

re: #188 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think there will be an Anti-Muslim Attack in the next few months.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:20:15pm

re: #188 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just like Virginia Tech, Aurora, Sandy Hook, San Bernardino, etc, etc, etc.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:20:21pm
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unproven innocence  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:20:45pm

re: #182 Anymouse

I wasn’t issued my nukes? How am I going to defend my town???

Coneheads (8/10) Movie CLIP - Beldar’s Fireworks (1993) HD

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:20:49pm

re: #190 Ziggy_TARDIS

I think there will be an Anti-Muslim Attack in the next few months.

I fear next few days or weeks more likely.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:21:24pm

re: #182 Anymouse

I wasn’t issued my nukes? How am I going to defend my town???

Aren’t there some Minuteman bases around there somewhere?

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Nyet  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:21:32pm

re: #186 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Unfortunately Trump is ISIS’ dream candidate, so expect more attempts.

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Sherlock Hound  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:22:03pm

re: #175 Anymouse

If “ISIS” equaled “NRA”, I’m completely with that. I’m furious that supposed “law-abiding gun owners” (which the shooter apparently was) look the other way when things like this happen. Shouldn’t they worry? In a true active shooter scenario, they’re no less likely to be shot.

If they hunt with guns lawfully according to their state’s game laws, what should they care about lawbreakers? That’s another thing I despise—the NRA hides behind hunters and hunting every time they can!

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SteelPH  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:22:25pm

You know, sometimes I get asked about my own personal philosophy, seeing the horrors committed everyday, the terrible things people write, believe, and espouse at every opportunity, and the rise of people like Donald Trump. It’s because of reflection on my past actions throughout my life, along with heavy inspiration from movies like Camelot, and even superheroes, helping me focus my beliefs into something that was a good foundation for a personal philosophy. Those who have power should use it to do good, that violence is not strength, compassion is not weakness, that revenge is utterly pointless. It is about kindness and decency, striving for something far more noble than the adolescent power fantasies that some people often prefer to default to.

I think I hate people like Donald Trump and the GOP more than anyone else in my entire life, because they are the complete antithesis of everything I believe in. They say that you should be unkind, they say you shouldn’t trust people, they say compassion will be repaid with violence, that violence can only be answered with more violence, and that violence is strength. That hurting others is not only enjoyable and desirable, but that it should be employed first when dealing with threats. They say if you have power, you can lord that power over others and do harm to them. They say that revenge is a worthy cause. They treat women as inferiors or enemies. They tell us we should fear the other, the foreigner, the dark-skinned, the religion that’s not your own. And you know the damnedest thing of all is? I am, in all honesty, afraid of terrorism.

Terrorism is real. There are people out there who want to kill me, either because I’m from a different country, or just because they’re some angry misanthrope with a gun. That applies to both foreign and domestic terrorists. Terrorism is about making someone so afraid that they’ll do what you tell them to, and the grand message of Trump and the GOP is: Be afraid. Be terrified. Let’s give into that fear and embrace every dark, sick, and inhuman part of our souls as a result, and do everything to them that they will do to us.

They must be so proud.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:22:40pm
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Jenner7  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:22:55pm
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Skip Intro  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:23:32pm

re: #179 TK-421

Trump will use this tragedy to boost his sagging numbers. Lucky he lives in america, because it will undoubtedly work.

There’s no question who ISIS wants as president, and they might just get him.

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lawhawk  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:25:01pm

Saw that this morning, after reading/hearing about the shootings, and I think He might actually do it. Doubly so if He follows Twitter.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:25:06pm

re: #198 SteelPH

You know, sometimes I get asked about my own personal philosophy, seeing the horrors committed everyday, the terrible things people write, believe, and espouse at every opportunity, and the rise of people like Donald Trump. It’s because of reflection on my past actions throughout my life, along with heavy inspiration from movies like Camelot, and even superheroes, helping me focus my beliefs into something that was a good foundation for a personal philosophy. Those who have power should use it to do good, that violence is not strength, compassion is not weakness, that revenge is utterly pointless. It is about kindness and decency, striving for something far more noble than the adolescent power fantasies that some people often prefer to default to.

I think I hate people like Donald Trump and the GOP more than anyone else in my entire life, because they are the complete antithesis of everything I believe in. They say that you should be unkind, they say you shouldn’t trust people, they say compassion will be repaid with violence, that violence can only be answered with more violence, and that violence is strength. That hurting others is not only enjoyable and desirable, but that it should be employed first when dealing with threats. They say if you have power, you can lord that power over others and do harm to them. They say that revenge is a worthy cause. They treat women as inferiors or enemies. They tell us we should fear the other, the foreigner, the dark-skinned, the religion that’s not your own. And you know the damnedest thing of all is? I am, in all honesty, afraid of terrorism.

Terrorism is real. There are people out there who want to kill me, either because I’m from a different country, or just because they’re some angry misanthrope with a gun. That applies to both foreign and domestic terrorists. Terrorism is about making someone so afraid that they’ll do what you tell them to, and the grand message of Trump and the GOP is: Be afraid. Be terrified. Let’s give into that fear and embrace every dark, sick, and inhuman part of our souls as a result, and do everything to them that they will do to us.

They must be so proud.

Just wanted to see it again.

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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:25:07pm

re: #183 Ziggy_TARDIS

I’m not sure it falls short of that, actually.

This is the worst mass shooting in US history.

I was thinking the same thing and then I realized this shooting was at a gay bar. The outrage is somewhat diminished with the people who’d vote for Trump.

I say this as a gay man. I’m sorry, but I think it’s true.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:25:49pm

re: #195 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Aren’t there some Minuteman bases around there somewhere?

That’s true, we’re surrounded by them.

Drive up to silo. Wait outside until someone comes out to find out what I am doing.

“Pardon me, Mr. Launch Control Officer, can I have the keys to the missile so I can defend my village?”

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Nyet  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:26:06pm

re: #198 SteelPH

You should write more often.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:26:30pm

re: #200 Jenner7

[Embedded content]

But nothing’s going to stop Donald:

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:26:47pm

re: #205 Anymouse

That’s true, we’re surrounded by them.

“Pardon me, Mr. Launch Control Officer, can I have the keys to the missile so I can defend my village?”

Worth a try ;-)

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Jenner7  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:28:07pm

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

The more he opens his mouth, the better.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:28:23pm

re: #208 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Oh, and could you turn the other key for me? I can’t quite reach….

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:28:24pm

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

But nothing’s going to stop Donald:

[Embedded content]

I’d love a speech on how Trump’s going to protect Americans from gun toting Americans.

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gocart mozart  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:28:29pm

Obama schools NRA supporter last week.

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Renaissance_Man  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:28:48pm

re: #198 SteelPH

This is the best thing I’ve read all day.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:29:44pm

TV talking head talking about horrific it must have been for the police officers who walked through the scene of the carnage, with the relatives and friends of fifty people lying dead on the floor calling them, cell phones ringing that would get no answer, knowing they could not answer the phones because they were processing a crime scene.

That must be God awful (whether you believe in a god or no) for those officers to hear.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:32:17pm

One of my RWNJ friends just shared a selfie of him at a gun shop right now, buying two more handguns.

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lawhawk  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:32:25pm

re: #191 Eclectic Cyborg

The same kinds of guns used in mass shootings keep cropping up in other mass shootings.

The number of suicides and homicides is pretty constant, with a slow steady drumbeat in the background. 24/7/365.

The NRA response to all of this?

More guns. Because Obama (or now Hillary) is going to take ‘em all from you and repeal the 2A.

Fear mongering is all that the GOP/NRA have left.

Rational solutions, or even attempts to address the carnage fall on deaf ears because the NRA/GOP position is one where even regulating firearms or eliminating sales of certain classes of firearms (like say assault weapons - long barrel firearms with semi-auto/full-auto capabilities with large capacity magazines/clips) will fall on deaf ears.

so the carnage continues. And we deal with mass shootings with alarming regularity.

The rationale behind the shootings is almost irrelevant for purposes of this discussion because the ready availability of firearms means that anyone who can pass a background check can pretty much get any/all firearms that they can afford to buy.

And so the good guy with a gun becomes a mass murderer.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:33:57pm

Sebastian Gorka warns terrorists can use Ford trucks as weapons

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:34:21pm

re: #215 Eclectic Cyborg

One of my RWNJ friends just shared a selfie of him at a gun shop right now, buying two more handguns.

How many hands does he have? I could only shoot two at a time (but a shotgun is less sporting).

Jim Wright of Stonekettle weighs in on the latest mass shooting, his post of four years ago that he updates every time there is another of these (and there will always be more of these):

stonekettle.com

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Tigger2  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:34:30pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:35:02pm

re: #217 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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uh oh…I have two Ford Rangers…

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Skip Intro  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:35:50pm

You don’t have to worry about that, Michael. It’s a sure thing.

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Jenner7  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:36:26pm
Where my husband works. Flags at half staff.
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ramex  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:37:18pm

It’s a mass shooting in America. Mass shootings in America do not fully register as terrorism in the psyche of the ordinary American. The religious beliefs of the mass shooting perpetrator will register with the ordinary American, but the atrocity still won’t quite register to them as terrorism. Terrorism requires suicide bombers or hijacked planes. A mass shooting in America is too common. It is too common to be thought of as terrorism in the mind of an ordinary American. I say this because I am one. I am an ordinary American, and this horror has become all too ordinary in itself. I’m depleted.

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EPR-radar  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:37:27pm

Consider this combination.

1) The Republican party and conservative movement insist absolutely nothing be done to restrict the availability of guns in the US. That means that any nut job with a grievance can easily become a heavily armed nut job with a grievance.

2) The Republican party and conservative movement diligently spread propaganda 24/7 having as its main effect the agitation of every right wing nut job in the country and conversion of non-RWNJs to RWNJs.

Looks like pure evil to me.

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Jenner7  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:38:19pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:38:54pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:38:55pm

re: #216 lawhawk

The NRA’s response to this will be that the nightclub is at fault for not allowing patrons to be armed, and the state of Florida is at fault for not allowing firearms to be carried while under the influence. LaPierre will again whine that “gun-free zones” are to blame for this tragedy, that if all those victims had been armed, this attack would never have happened because the shooter would be deterred by so many armed Americans.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:39:05pm
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unproven innocence  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:39:12pm

re: #212 gocart mozart

Obama schools NRA supporter last week.

Wow.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:39:21pm
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Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:41:01pm

People have used guns to kill in gun free zones and places where guns are allowed. And yet people have died. The common denominator seems to be guns. Or people. Maybe guns shouldn’t be allowed to have people.

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EPR-radar  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:41:37pm

I’d like to see one of these NRA apologists explain why it is so desirable for every moment of rage in the US to so easily be a heavily armed moment of rage.

IMO such an absolute interpretation of the second amendment turns the constitution into a suicide pact.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:42:31pm

re: #220 Backwoods_Sleuth

uh oh…I have two Ford Rangers…

We regulate trucks, drivers, road regulations, tests, &c. We license and register them, title them, investigate when they are stolen.

Guns, not so much. But yeah, the wingnut arguing about Ford rangers, does he really want to go there?

The right to travel without licenses and registrations was universally considered a constitutional right in every court in the land. It could not be infringed, found in common law, and the IX and X Amendments.

But drivers became so irresponsible, so dangerous, that the Supreme Court eventually found that the government had a legitimate interest in regulating autos. Today driving is one of the most heavily-regulated things you can do, even to the point that the right was redefined as a privilege.

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lawhawk  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:44:31pm

re: #227 Targetpractice

I’m getting that in my twitter feed.

If only more patrons were armed, they could return fire.

Except that we’d probably have even more people injured or dead from crossfire. The aggressor always has the advantage in these incidents. Always. Dark/poorly lit areas, a gunman who knows all those he comes across are targets, and he appears to have been trained in firearm use - not just a guy who bought his first gun.

Meanwhile, most people who own guns don’t have training, let alone the specific kind of training needed to deal with active shooter incidents, such as differentiating between shooter and other potential victims, checking line of fire behind shooter, etc. All of which would end up adding the carnage.

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dangerman  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:45:12pm

I think that, unfortunately, such deliberate acts are very difficult to anticipate and prevent.

Focusing on reducing the much larger number of #gunfails of all types, would raise the general awareness of the rampant cavalier approach to general gun handling including transfers/sales that is allowed to continue.

This is primarily because active / lobbyist / responsible gun owners fail to demand fellow gun owners control their guns.

Control includes who you sell or lend to and under what circumstances.
You have a right to keep and bear. No one has an obligation to sell to you.

Not advocating for swift and severe punishment for the irresponsible perpetuates the idea that 100% control at all times, including responsible (not merely legal) transfers, is not required.

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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:45:58pm

re: #212 gocart mozart

Obama schools NRA supporter last week.

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I wish he would have taken time to address how Chicago’s weapons are coming into the city from neighboring states/counties with lax gun sales laws. That old fart was nuts if he thinks all these guns are being purchased in Chicago.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:47:26pm

Let’s get tough & smart!

re: #225 Jenner7

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Tigger2  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:48:51pm

re: #234 lawhawk

I’m getting that in my twitter feed.

If only more patrons were armed, they could return fire.

Except that we’d probably have even more people injured or dead from crossfire. The aggressor always has the advantage in these incidents. Always. Dark/poorly lit areas, a gunman who knows all those he comes across are targets, and he appears to have been trained in firearm use - not just a guy who bought his first gun.

Meanwhile, most people who own guns don’t have training, let alone the specific kind of training needed to deal with active shooter incidents, such as differentiating between shooter and other potential victims, checking line of fire behind shooter, etc. All of which would end up adding the carnage.

Nothing would make me feel safer then someone on the right trying to kill me and people on the left ( most not knowing how to handle a gun very well and that have been drinking ) returning fire with me in the middle.

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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:49:57pm

re: #234 lawhawk

I’m getting that in my twitter feed.

If only more patrons were armed, they could return fire.

Except that we’d probably have even more people injured or dead from crossfire. The aggressor always has the advantage in these incidents. Always. Dark/poorly lit areas, a gunman who knows all those he comes across are targets, and he appears to have been trained in firearm use - not just a guy who bought his first gun.

Meanwhile, most people who own guns don’t have training, let alone the specific kind of training needed to deal with active shooter incidents, such as differentiating between shooter and other potential victims, checking line of fire behind shooter, etc. All of which would end up adding the carnage.

I would never, ever set foot inside a bar that allowed guns on the premises.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:50:03pm

For some reason, an address on the Web that goes to a .pdf document shows the first page of the document (as above: The Orphaned Right: The Right to Travel by Automobile, 1890-1950)

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Archangelus  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:51:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:52:16pm

re: #233 Anymouse

It’s funny that, in addition to owning two Ford Rangers, I also have a number of guns and also (as a farmer) have legal access to ammonium nitrate.

OTOH, I’m white (although not a Christian, but since I’m white no one can jump to that conclusion about me immediately)…so I’m not a clear and present threat…

////////////// (as if I needed those sarc tags)

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Jenner7  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:52:17pm

Keep talking asshat.

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Archangelus  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:53:14pm

re: #243 Jenner7

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Keep talking asshat.

Oh, he will, you can bet on it…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:54:12pm

re: #235 dangerman

I think that, unfortunately, such deliberate acts are very difficult to anticipate and prevent.

Focusing on reducing the much larger number of #gunfails of all types, would raise the general awareness of the rampant cavalier approach to general gun handling including transfers/sales that is allowed to continue.

This is primarily because active / lobbyist / responsible gun owners fail to demand fellow gun owners control their guns.

Control includes who you sell or lend to and under what circumstances.
You have a right to keep and bear. No one has an obligation to sell to you.

Not advocating for swift and severe punishment for the irresponsible perpetuates the idea that 100% control at all times, including responsible (not merely legal) transfers, is not required.

The Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, Coast Guard? That’s us, “keeping and bearing arms” for “the security of a free state” by means of “A well-regulated militia”. When those organizations are disbanded, private citizens may need to take up the slack again. Until then, the Second Amendment has nothing to do with private gun ownership.

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dangerman  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:54:21pm

re: #243 Jenner7

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Keep talking asshat.

” I called it and asked for the ban. “

he called it? on native born Americans?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:55:06pm

re: #234 lawhawk

I’m getting that in my twitter feed.

If only more patrons were armed, they could return fire.

Except that we’d probably have even more people injured or dead from crossfire. The aggressor always has the advantage in these incidents. Always. Dark/poorly lit areas, a gunman who knows all those he comes across are targets, and he appears to have been trained in firearm use - not just a guy who bought his first gun.

Meanwhile, most people who own guns don’t have training, let alone the specific kind of training needed to deal with active shooter incidents, such as differentiating between shooter and other potential victims, checking line of fire behind shooter, etc. All of which would end up adding the carnage.

Also, news is reporting that at least 11 police officers fired on the shooter, inside a nightclub packed with people.
How many of those bullets hit unintended targets? (I’m not blaming the police, but ricochets are almost a given in that scenario.)

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Skip Intro  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:55:06pm

re: #243 Jenner7

This is the happiest day for Trump this year.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:55:24pm

There’s no bottom to Trump’s depravity. He’s a really nasty person.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:55:46pm

re: #243 Jenner7

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Keep talking asshat.

Ignoring the fact that the shooter was born here.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:55:55pm

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s funny that, in addition to owning two Ford Rangers, I also have a number of guns and also (as a farmer) have legal access to ammonium nitrate.

OTOH, I’m white (although not a Christian, but since I’m white no one can jump to that conclusion about me immediately)…so I’m not a clear and present threat…

////////////// (as if I needed those sarc tags)

You’re safe—it was Ford F-150s he recommended to terrorists.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:55:57pm
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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:56:29pm

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s funny that, in addition to owning two Ford Rangers, I also have a number of guns and also (as a farmer) have legal access to ammonium nitrate.

OTOH, I’m white (although not a Christian, but since I’m white no one can jump to that conclusion about me immediately)…so I’m not a clear and present threat…

////////////// (as if I needed those sarc tags)

The co-op is only a few blocks away. Though I am not a farmer (and thus cannot get any significant quantity of ammonium nitrate), it would be no trouble to take the place if I wanted to.

But the village is told by the state in our last village board meeting we needed to upgrade our alarm on our city water tower (which has a fence and two different alarm systems already) to prevent terrorism.

And the gun shop is next door to my house, and though I am a dirty hippie liberal socialist, the shop owner would happily sell me everything I could afford to buy.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:56:59pm

I have no patience with a Trump supporter or Bernie or Buster. Trump is fucking evil, he can’t be Godwinned any more.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:57:35pm
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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:57:50pm

Donald Trump (and his fans) considers today his very own Rheichstag Fire.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:58:20pm

re: #251 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

You’re safe—it was Ford F-150s he recommended to terrorists.

Oh, I have one of those too! It just needs a replacement fuel pump.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:58:27pm

re: #245 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, Coast Guard? That’s us, “keeping and bearing arms” for “the security of a free state” by means of “A well-regulated militia”. When those organizations are disbanded, private citizens may need to take up the slack again. Until then, the Second Amendment has nothing to do with private gun ownership.

Also the pesky Militia article in the main body of the Constitution, defining Congress shall determine the training regime of the militia, arm it, and the states shall appoint the officers over it.

That derp about a “well-regulated militia” means your guns should be in working order is one of the most brain-dead arguments for the II Amendment I ever heard. That is grasping at straws.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:58:42pm

re: #250 Big Beautiful Door

Ignoring the fact that the shooter was born here.

He will say round them up shortly.

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sagehen  Jun 12, 2016 • 1:59:08pm

re: #246 dangerman

” I called it and asked for the ban. “

he called it? on native born Americans?

A ban on New Yorkers moving to Florida. There are many in Florida who would support such a ban. (also, Oregonians would like a ban on Californians moving to Oregon.)

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 2:00:30pm

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh, I have one of those too! It just needs a replacement fuel pump.

Your Ford is not part of a well-regulated militia!!!! It’s not in working order!!!

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jun 12, 2016 • 2:01:27pm

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

Better get it before there’s an embargo.

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Anymouse  Jun 12, 2016 • 2:02:40pm

Death toll now reported at fifty-nine. Orlando GLBT Center is holding a prayer on television.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 2:03:55pm

re: #258 Anymouse

Also the pesky Militia article in the main body of the Constitution, defining Congress shall determine the training regime of the militia, and the states shall appoint the officers over it.

That derp about a “well-regulated militia” means your guns should be in working order is one of the most brain-dead arguments for the II Amendment I ever heard. That is grasping at straws.

In 18th-Century military parlance a military force was “Well-regulated” if it had a rigid and unbreakable rank hierarchy, all commissioned ranks bestowed by civilian authority (no election of officers IOW), and a system of discipline so savage that the rank-and-file were more afraid of their officers than they were of the enemy, so they’d never dream of running away.

That means most state militias, even by the Civil war era, were not “Well-regulated”.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 12, 2016 • 2:04:19pm

re: #259 Stanley Sea

He will say round them up shortly.

Or maybe make them register. Muslims, not gun owners, of course.

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dangerman  Jun 12, 2016 • 2:07:27pm

re: #245 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, Coast Guard? That’s us, “keeping and bearing arms” for “the security of a free state” by means of “A well-regulated militia”. When those organizations are disbanded, private citizens may need to take up the slack again. Until then, the Second Amendment has nothing to do with private gun ownership.

I think arguing the meaning and interpretation of the 2A is not a winner.

as things general stand now, the right exists. If so, it comes with responsibility.

that’s where the Achilles heel is. Irresponsibility is demonstrably rampant.

And if the “responsible” ones don’t advocate for swift severe and sure punishment for the others, they basically want the right without any personal responsibility ramifications. that’s exactly counter to what they say every day.

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dangerman  Jun 12, 2016 • 2:08:17pm

re: #260 sagehen

A ban on New Yorkers moving to Florida. There are many in Florida who would support such a ban. (also, Oregonians would like a ban on Californians moving to Oregon.)

they can move. just don’t let ‘em drive.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jun 12, 2016 • 2:22:41pm

re: #243 Jenner7

He’s finished. His moron base will eat it up but his candidacy is over now. Every single Republican in office and the GOP will be asked to respond to his tweets all week. Like Silvio said when Tony asked him about Richie Aprile, “I can’t think of any reason to keep him around.” Of course, Janice took care of that.

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b_sharp  Jun 12, 2016 • 3:02:35pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

Time to break out the nuke tool.

Can we have one too?


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