Sunday Jazz: Mark Lettieri, “Goonsquad”

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Here’s some good music from guitarist Mark Lettieri, to soothe the soul after a very bad day of news.

iTunes: itun.es
Bandcamp: marklettieri.bandcamp.com

From the album Spark and Echo, on Ropeadope Records.

“Goonsquad” written and arranged by Mark Lettieri

ALBUM PERSONNEL

Mark Lettieri: electric, acoustic, baritone, and Hammertone guitars, synths and loops
Jason “JT” Thomas: drums and percussion
Wes Stephenson: bass guitar
Shaun Martin: acoustic and electric piano, synths
Bobby Sparks: synths and clavinet
Milo Deering: pedal steel guitar, fiddle

Produced by Mark Lettieri
Co-produced, engineered, and mixed by Joey Lomas
Additional engineering by Bart Rose
Mastered by Scott Hull at Masterdisk, New York, NY

Recorded at Fort Worth Sound in Fort Worth, TX, Sherman Street Studios in Richardson, TX, and Patrick McGuire Recording in Arlington, TX

Filmed and edited by Andy Laviolette

© 2016 Mark Lettieri
© 2016 Ropeadope Records

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1
Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:46:01pm

Meanwhile, the Rage Furby has posted another nauseatingly deranged video at YouTube, telling people they should pay him to answer questions and bashing Steven Crowder. Yes, bashing Steven Crowder.

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darthstar  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:48:21pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, the Rage Furby has posted another nauseatingly deranged video at YouTube, telling people they should pay him to answer questions and bashing Steven Crowder. Yes, bashing Steven Crowder.

I had to Google Steven Crowder…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:49:33pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, the Rage Furby has posted another nauseatingly deranged video at YouTube, telling people they should pay him to answer questions and bashing Steven Crowder. Yes, bashing Steven Crowder.

Still making friends everywhere…………

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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:50:19pm

And he’s back on Facebook again. He just edited his page to add this whine:

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:51:28pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Ok, he’s bashing Steven Crowder now? What happened to these two lovebirds?

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:51:57pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

And he’s back on Facebook again. He just edited his page to add this whine:

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“Banned for free speech” can never be a valid phrase in the US.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:52:00pm
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Joe Bacon  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:52:12pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, the Rage Furby has posted another nauseatingly deranged video at YouTube, telling people they should pay him to answer questions and bashing Steven Crowder. Yes, bashing Steven Crowder.

I cant wait to see his sorry ass get whacked by the Judge in charge of the case where he pulled a no-show!

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Joe Bacon  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:53:02pm

re: #7 FormerDirtDart

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Just as i predicted.

Alex Jones, may you burn in the lowest level of hell for all eternity!

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gocart mozart  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:54:00pm
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Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:54:51pm

re: #10 gocart mozart

That looks like a good one to save for responding to D_F.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:55:32pm

re: #7 FormerDirtDart

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I so am tempted to start a rumor that Jones exists to discredit real truth seekers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:55:40pm

In Louisville KY right now:

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Frankie Five Angels  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:55:41pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:55:45pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:56:38pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, the Rage Furby has posted another nauseatingly deranged video at YouTube, telling people they should pay him to answer questions and bashing Steven Crowder. Yes, bashing Steven Crowder.

Whoa what are they feuding about? This feels like Milo and Ben, no winners, just right wing assholes.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:56:54pm

re: #14 Frankie Five Angels

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Ding.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:58:06pm
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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:58:07pm

Golden Valley MN (a suburb of Minneapolis) had their first ever Golden Valley Pride this year. Today. Here is a picture from the event. Extremists of any faith suck donkey dick.

Golden Valley MN Pride - June 12, 2016
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 5:58:31pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:01:04pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

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No true NRA member.//

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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:03:37pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:04:16pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:04:59pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

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My surprise, let me….aw, fuck it.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:07:52pm

The latest from NBC4 here in LA. This creep admitted that he wanted to harm people in West Hollywood…

nbclosangeles.com

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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:08:42pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:08:44pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

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My nephew, upset that Sanders didn’t win, posted an Alex Jones video to FB, which says Hillary STOLE California from Bernie!

I told him, in no uncertain terms, just who Alex Jones is. Then I explained that not one single poll showed Sanders winning, and finished up advising him not to let his disappointment drive him to believing comforting bullshit.

Now, I guess, he’ll be treated to more CT bullshit. Great.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:09:19pm

re: #19 stpaulbear

Hmmm, “Homo Sex is Sin.” Does that include the Heteros that like to engage in “Homo sex?”

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ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:09:28pm

So, judging by responses all over everywhere…I guess I am giving up on any discussion of doing anything about guns in this country…ever.

There will be one signal that I will take as an indication that things actually could lead to a change. Until I see that signal all else is wasted words and time and completely futile.

Let me know when someone calls for a constitutional convention specifically to delve into a modern interpretation of the Second Amendment.

Short of that we are fucked. It won’t matter how many are killed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:11:48pm
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Lidane  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:12:35pm

re: #29 ObserverArt

It hasn’t mattered since Sandy Hook. Once the NRA and GOP convinced people that a classroom full of children were worth far less than guns, the gun debate ended in this country.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:12:42pm

Something I really don’t get about Facebook - why would someone want to “tag” a photo? I have a bunch of notifications that people want to “tag” photos I posted for various purposes. What is up with that, dog?

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gocart mozart  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:13:07pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:14:31pm

re: #29 ObserverArt

So, judging by responses all over everywhere…I guess I am giving up on any discussion of doing anything about guns in this country…ever.

There will be one signal that I will take as an indication that things are actually could lead to a change. Until I see that signal all else is wasted words and time and completely futile.

Let me know when someone calls for a constitutional convention specifically to delve into a modern interpretation of the Second Amendment.

Short of that we are fucked. It won’t matter how many are killed.

I do not perceive the level of general shock that followed Sandy Hook, or Columbine. For that matter, I don’t even feel it myself. It’s a terrible thing to become used to.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:14:32pm

wut?

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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:16:12pm

This was my weekend to sit down, work at it, and finally fully grok OAuth. Took me long enough.

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gocart mozart  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:16:14pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:16:22pm

re: #28 Frankie Five Angels

Hmmm, “Homo Sex is Sin.” Does that include the Heteros that like to engage in “Homo sex?”

Anal sex is an abomination when they do it, but in Porn, or when I get to do it, it’s fucking awesome!

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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:16:56pm

re: #23 gocart mozart

I can’t stop watching that. Wow.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:17:50pm

re: #39 stpaulbear

I can’t stop watching that. Wow.

Don’t try this at home. Seriously, just don’t. I mean it! Really, really DON’T!!!
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Kragar  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:18:57pm

If you’re not watching the new Voltron on Netflix then WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU? ITS GODDAMN VOLTRON!

Favorite quote so far:

“Everybody ready?”
“I just nodded. I’m assuming everyone else nodded too. Did you nod?”

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ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:21:12pm

re: #31 Lidane

It hasn’t mattered since Sandy Hook. Once the NRA and GOP convinced people that a classroom full of children were worth far less than guns, the gun debate ended in this country.

I agree. That is why i say discussion is a waste of time.

Sandy Hook was a turning point.

The others after it are confirmation.

Today it is clear as can be. Clearer than I have ever come to understand how screwed up this all is.

People dying is not enough to give up our thinking on guns. We are collectively savages. Why savages? Because our thinking on guns is far from being civilized.

Nothing will change until someone has the guts to really force the change by demanding and working to get a 2nd Amendment Constitutional Convention.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:24:13pm

I see over at the Rage Furby’s vanity site he’s calling for Trump-supported taking out of families of terrorists in one of his latest screeds-he goes so far as citing a NYT article on how Russia engages in that kind of behavior as justification via an Ann Coulter tweet.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:24:37pm

Well, THAT didn’t take long. <24 hours and the answer is already more guns.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:24:53pm

Pamela Geller’s “Stop islamization of America” page has been removed from Facebook. Too bad, so sad.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:25:17pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

Pamela Geller’s “Stop islamization of America” page has been removed from Facebook. Too bad, so sad.

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Good.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:26:34pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

Pamela Geller’s “Stop islamization of America” page has been removed from Facebook. Too bad, so sad.

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KGxvi  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:27:09pm

re: #28 Frankie Five Angels

Hmmm, “Homo Sex is Sin.” Does that include the Heteros that like to engage in “Homo sex?”

Catholic teaching is that any sex which can’t possibly lead to pregnancy, between man and wife, is a sin. So basically only PnV is acceptable (and even then you should probably just lay back and think of England)

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darthstar  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:28:03pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

Something I really don’t get about Facebook - why would someone want to “tag” a photo? I have a bunch of notifications that people want to “tag” photos I posted for various purposes. What is up with that, dog?

They want to be sure the mutual friend sees the pic…and all of said mutual friend’s friends.

I tag pics of my Mother in Law when I post them, because she has a handful of friends back east who enjoy them, and she doesn’t post unless I’m walking her through the process. Hopefully she’ll get the FB bug from her new neighbors as she just bought a nice condo in a ritzy retirement community and we’re hoping having peers who have their shit together will help her regain hers (she’s not stupid - very smart, actually - but she’s given up thinking for herself since her husband died last year - aging far faster than she should)….

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ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:28:21pm

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

wut?

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Here’s the thing Bernie and others.

It IS NOT “unimaginable” that this occurred. It is expected. Expect more and worse.

See, this is the kind of empty words I no longer can tolerate. It is just words that flow…cliches. People do not even think what they are saying.

How is this unimaginable? It is not. Shut that shit up. And sorry, further reason why Sanders is not presidential material.

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darthstar  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:29:18pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

Pamela Geller’s “Stop islamization of America” page has been removed from Facebook. Too bad, so sad.

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Shorter FB: Take your hate somewhere else.

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KGxvi  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:29:30pm

re: #41 Kragar

If you’re not watching the new Voltron on Netflix then WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU? ITS GODDAMN VOLTRON!

Favorite quote so far:

“Everybody ready?”
“I just nodded. I’m assuming everyone else nodded too. Did you nod?”

It’s pretty good. Not really liking that it went with a cliffhanger ending though

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ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:33:16pm

Later. I can’t take any more. Frustration overload has been reached. Understanding gone to hell.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:33:45pm
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Kragar  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:34:04pm

re: #52 KGxvi

SHUSH!

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Skip Intro  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:36:18pm

Trump tweet:

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 39m39 minutes ago

Horrific incident in FL. Praying for all the victims & their families. When will this stop? When will we get tough, smart & vigilant?

Response from an online acquaintance. Over the top? HELL NO!!!!

It’s not about the foreigners, you orange-haired, beady-eyed pigfucker!!!! It about the fucking arsenals everyone either has or has access to, so when they actually listen to the greasy, explosive diarrhea spewing from the collective GOP mouths and decide to act on it, they’re already armed to the teeth. The GOP has made it acceptable to harass and assault people in the bathroom at Target, so there’s no reason to think that mowing down dozens of people in a club won’t also be acceptable.

Dear god, no matter which way it goes for the motive, there will be a toehold for more bullshit from the right.

You tell ‘em, Sugar!

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TedStriker  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:37:34pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Or they pull the “I’ll sic my lawyers on you!” card

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teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:39:33pm
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lockjawcanbefun  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:41:18pm

re: #58 teleskiguy

Anybody who thinks the Republicans would do anything over a bunch of dead gays, no matter how high the death toll, is delusional.

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stpaulbear  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:43:36pm

re: #44 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, THAT didn’t take long. <24 hours and the answer is already more guns.

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Just great. ‘Bring it on’.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:43:41pm

re: #44 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, THAT didn’t take long. <24 hours and the answer is already more guns.

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The best arming people at the bar could hope for is they kill him before the cops did. People will still die because he had access to guns.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:45:53pm

re: #38 Blind Frog Belly White

Anal sex is an abomination when they do it, but in Porn, or when I get to do it, it’s fucking awesome!

“What I feel when my doctor does the exam is NOT the same!!”

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teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:47:32pm

Gawd Twitter is a tire fire raging on top of a nuclear waste dump. So many raging hot takes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:48:31pm

well, isn’t that comforting…

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Skip Intro  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:49:17pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

What was he carrying in his car again?

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teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:50:01pm

I saw that fucking tweet this morning that Dan Patrick put out, “reap what you sow.”

I wanted to throw up. I literally got sick to my stomach.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:50:17pm

re: #65 Skip Intro

What was he carrying in his car again?

poppers

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:51:16pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

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well, isn’t that comforting…

They’ll probably have trouble proving anything against him unless they just find something written down.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:51:30pm

re: #65 Skip Intro

What was he carrying in his car again?

apparently nothing of any real consequence that would raise concern…
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electrotek  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:52:28pm

Has he been confronted about his support of an anti-gay pastor that supports killing homosexuals?

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No Depression  Jun 12, 2016 • 6:56:36pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

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well, isn’t that comforting…

Gotta love white privilege…

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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:00:34pm

re: #66 teleskiguy

I saw that fucking tweet this morning that Dan Patrick put out, “reap what you sow.”

I wanted to throw up. I literally got sick to my stomach.

He’s claiming that it was part of his regularly scheduled Bible quotes and wasn’t related to the Orlando attack.

It may even be true. But why is a Lt. Governor posting regularly scheduled Bible quotes at all??!

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:02:37pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

He’s claiming that it was part of his regularly scheduled Bible quotes and wasn’t related to the Orlando attack.

It may even be true. But why is a Lt. Governor posting regularly scheduled Bible quotes at all??!

Exactly. And it should make it more obvious how odious some parts of the Bible are when a random tweet can backfire so badly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:03:06pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:03:34pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

He’s claiming that it was part of his regularly scheduled Bible quotes and wasn’t related to the Orlando attack.

It may even be true. But why is a Lt. Governor posting regularly scheduled Bible quotes at all??!

It actually went against type this week. It’s usually just one tweet that is prefaced by “Have a blessed Sunday!” There were two tweets this morning, the offending hot garbage he deleted and another one right after it that was also prefaced “Have a blessed Sunday.” Patrick is just *lying*.

And yeah, he’s an open theocrat, nakedly wanting to merge the church and state. He’s fucking dangerous to the Republic, the second most powerful man in Texas.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:03:36pm
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darthstar  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:03:39pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

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well, isn’t that comforting…

Fuck that guy. You want to hold something in your hand at a pride parade? Grab a raging hard-on…and be a man about it. What the hell is wrong with people bringing guns with them everywhere?

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darthstar  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:04:38pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:05:31pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

Speech ain’t free on private social networks, but keep playing that persecution angle UpChuck. It’s cute.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:06:42pm

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

wut?

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Sanders team: Bernie, someone killed 50 people at a gay club in Orlando. 53 people are injured.
Sanders: Maybe I should say something about how improving the economy will fix this.
Sanders team: Say something about ISIS. That’s who he claimed to support.

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teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:07:46pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:14:04pm

Chuck has always been unhinged, but his latest post at GotNews is unbelievably insane.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:16:57pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:19:24pm
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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:23:15pm

re: #11 Belafon

That looks like a good one to save for responding to D_F.

What did I do that merits that?

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Kryptik  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:26:24pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

What did I do that merits that?

The phrase ‘Digging yourself deeper’ comes to mind. As to why…well, others who have been engaging you more today can probably explain the why better.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:26:46pm
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ipsos  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:27:33pm

After a depressing day reading FB comments, all I know is this:

These things aren’t simply tragedies anymore. They can’t be. They’re immediate fucking mirrors in which we all see exactly what we already set out to see.

If you started the day hating Obama, you have another reason to hate Obama.

If you started the day hating Muslims, you have another reason to hate Muslims.

If you started the day hating guns, you have another reason to hate guns.

If you started the day hating gay people, you have another reason to hate gay people.

Nobody learns. Nothing changes. The news channels bleat on without saying anything. And 50 more cellphones ring in an empty club, never again to be answered.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:29:15pm

The Red Dudebro (Edward Snowden) pops out of his troll hole and gets hammered:

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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:37:44pm

The nuts are out.

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KingKenrod  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:38:10pm

re: #75 teleskiguy

It actually went against type this week. It’s usually just one tweet that is prefaced by “Have a blessed Sunday!” There were two tweets this morning, the offending hot garbage he deleted and another one right after it that was also prefaced “Have a blessed Sunday.” Patrick is just *lying*.

And yeah, he’s an open theocrat, nakedly wanting to merge the church and state. He’s fucking dangerous to the Republic, the second most powerful man in Texas.

Yeah, Dan Patrick is a fucking liar. He also claims he only deleted the tweet to stop hate speech directed at him.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:38:37pm
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Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:39:42pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

Yep, nothing to do with easier access to guns.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:40:25pm

YOU WILL BE JUDGED

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:41:45pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

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teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:42:06pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

YOU WILL BE JUDGED

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:43:10pm

…

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:43:16pm

re: #93 Belafon

Yep, nothing to do with easier access to guns.

Guns didn’t cause that terrorist to kill, they were but the tool. Guns are part of the ‘how’ in terror attacks, not the ‘why’.

And to be clear, Justin McCray is both wrong and a bible thumping loon.

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teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:43:43pm

re: #97 Eric The Fruit Bat

No. Fuck no. Dude.

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Cheechako  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:44:02pm

After a day like today everyones invited to my place. Look for the big green bus parked out front.

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teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:44:28pm

I wouldn’t wish the fate of those 50 poor souls on Chuck C. Johnson.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:44:48pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:46:02pm

re: #97 Eric The Fruit Bat

I don’t get angry around here often. This made me angry. Fuck off with this comment!

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:46:25pm

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

Guns didn’t cause that terrorist to kill, they were but the tool. Guns are part of the ‘how’ in terror attacks, not the ‘why’.

And to be clear, Justin McCray is both wrong and a bible thumping loon.

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:47:13pm

re: #100 Cheechako

After a day like today everyones invited to my place. Look for the big green bus parked out front.

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OK, Jimmy:

Jimmy Buffett Margaritaville

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:48:56pm

re: #100 Cheechako

After a day like today everyones invited to my place. Look for the big green bus parked out front.

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Too late. I pulled out the wife’s cooking sake—gekkeikan. It’s vile, but a glass and the melatonin that I vowed not to take again should have me enjoying dreams of my french-kissing pet cow again soon.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:49:30pm

re: #104 Belafon

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

I didn’t say “No way to prevent this”, I just said that guns are tools and while they can be used to kill they do not cause people to kill others.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:50:59pm

re: #97 Eric The Fruit Bat

That remark is way over the line, Eric. Never wish for someone to be murdered by a terrorist. It’s indecent.

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ipsos  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:51:46pm

Condolences, klys, on the sportspuck game.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:52:45pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

I’ve long suspected that the main reason those classified as ‘right wing’ hated the Soviets is because the Soviet State had the power to do things not allowed here. They were jealous as hell.

The Rage Furby has demonstrated now that the Communists are gone it’s okay to be envious of Russia.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:52:49pm
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Kaessa  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:53:09pm

re: #97 Eric The Fruit Bat

Seriously? That’s just wrong.

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teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:54:33pm

Here comes the winded “it’s just a hypothetical” “wasn’t wishing death on others” post.

You fucking crossed a line Eric The Fruit Bat.

“Imagine if this asshole that we all loathe were killed in the attack…”

FUCK. YOU. DUDE.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 12, 2016 • 7:59:18pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

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We were wondering how the furby continues to finance his shenanigans. Perhaps his growing Putin-love provides a clue.

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teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:00:03pm

Must. Need. Funny.

Maximum Send

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teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:03:19pm
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majii  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:04:46pm

The producers of the TV series “The Last Ship” decided it wouldn’t begin the new season tonight due to those who lost their lives in Orlando. I knew there was a reason I like the series.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:09:39pm

re: #7 FormerDirtDart

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I don’t think there has been any mass shooting since the start of Alex’s career that he did NOT characterize as a false flag. Ironically, it might finally be a false flag if Alex himself were the target, since the most likely perp by far would be a rival or disaffected conspira-liar who would obviously seek to blame the deed on Zionist bankers, gummint agents, space lizards or some combination thereof.

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Belafon  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:11:23pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

I didn’t say “No way to prevent this”, I just said that guns are tools and while they can be used to kill they do not cause people to kill others.

Based on the evidence of other countries, I just don’t buy separating these any more. Yes, guns are a tool, but they are the difference in a whole lot of killings. Here’s a chart showing what I am talking about vizhub.healthdata.org (which I found here humanosphere.org). Here’s a screenshot:

Note that we’re not that far off the other countries excluding guns. Guns make it so much easier to kill.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:18:17pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!

Warning: Link goes to Breitfart
Highlights: Ryan is gutless, a RINO and has become Obama’s lapdog.
Trump “is like this blue collar billionaire in touch with the people.”

BWAHAHAHAAAAA

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:19:39pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

I didn’t say “No way to prevent this”, I just said that guns are tools and while they can be used to kill they do not cause people to kill others.

Can you at least agree that guns make it easier to kill and that’s why we have so many of these type of things? No, we can’t prevent them but I don’t think it’s overly idealistic ot believe to that we can reduce them. The problem frankly and I know you will disagree is that the one side of the gun debate has gone bonkers. They contradict their past positions and they see anyone who does not see guns as always being the solution as being somehow less than America. The sad thing is they obviously don’t speak for all gun owners. Ask an average gun owner and he’d probably have a lot in common with the what the PResident and the average Congressional Democrat wants but the gun lobby has convinced him that Obama and the Democratic Party are his enemy and at to get his gun.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:20:12pm

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!

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Warning: Link goes to Breitfart
Highlights: Ryan is gutless, a RINO and has become Obama’s lapdog.
Trump “is like this a blue collar billionaire in touch with the people.”

BWAHAHAHAAAAA

I see Palin’s being drinking the Wasalia Whiskey again.

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No Depression  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:23:05pm

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

Guns didn’t cause that terrorist to kill, they were but the tool. Guns are part of the ‘how’ in terror attacks, not the ‘why’.

And to be clear, Justin McCray is both wrong and a bible thumping loon.

No one is arguing that easy access to guns causes people to kill others. But when someone decides they want to kill a bunch of people, guns sure make it a hell of a lot easier! That’s why gun control advocates want more restrictive gun laws; they won’t prevent shootings in a country with more guns than people, but they will reduce the carnage when they inevitably happen.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:23:05pm

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!

[Embedded content]

Warning: Link goes to Breitfart
Highlights: Ryan is gutless, a RINO and has become Obama’s lapdog.
Trump “is like this a blue collar billionaire in touch with the people.”

BWAHAHAHAAAAA

That screed was as fact-free and incoherent as Caribou Barbie herself.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:25:52pm

re: #123 No Depression

No one is arguing that easy access to guns causes people to kill others. But when someone decides they want to kill a bunch of people, guns sure make it a hell of a lot easier! That’s why gun control advocates want more restrictive gun laws; they won’t prevent shootings in a country with more guns than people, but they will reduce the carnage when they inevitably happen.

Thanks. Articulated my thoughts on this better than I can. Something needs to be done. We can’t just sit on our asses and go “Well gun laws won’t prevent these.” No, they won’t but what we can hope for is reduction and I think reasonable gun control is how we can accomplish it. I think we owe to our citizenry to at least try rather than satisfying the whims of a bunch out of touch idiots who think guns should be sold without restriction or regulation.

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teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:27:07pm

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

That screed was as fact-free and incoherent as Caribou Barbie herself.

Not linking, but today on her Twitter she had the ALL-CAPS “ISLAMIC TERRORIST EXTREMIST” post, which gave me a light chuckle.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:30:48pm

re: #126 teleskiguy

Not linking, but today on her Twitter she had the ALL-CAPS “ISLAMIC TERRORIST EXTREMIST” post, which gave me a light chuckle.

A twit on Twitter, whom we know as Princess Dumbass of the North Woods.

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Jenner7  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:33:11pm

Congrats to the Pittsburgh Penguins! Beat the Sharks 3-1, winning the cup. Sharks goalie kept them in the game, did a fantastic job.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:33:55pm

re: #128 Jenner7

Congrats to the Pittsburgh Penguins! Beat the Sharks 3-1, winning the cup. Sharks goalie kept them in the game, did a fantastic job.

Not a hockey fan but I’m always happy for a Pittsburgh team winning.

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majii  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:34:44pm

re: #122 HappyWarrior

The pile-on began shortly after Ryan appeared on TV this morning. He dared say he disagrees with Trump’s idea of building a wall to keep “Mexicans” out and disagrees with him on mass deportations, and on banning Muslims from coming to the U.S. As per Muslims, who we know he and his GOP/TP buddies consider to all be terrorists, he said that security needs to be increased. Give me a frigging break! From the time any immigrant applies to come to the U.S., it takes 3-5 years or longer before they can actually get here because of all of the security checks they go through. Sarah Palin has to keep her name in the news because she has a serious addiction to attention. Plus, her PAC is not collecting as many donations at this time as it has in the past. She can post on Facebook about her article at Breitfart, link to it, pretend she’s still relevant, and beg for donations to Sarah PAC, all at the same time.

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Jenner7  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:35:44pm
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William Lewis  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:35:55pm

re: #128 Jenner7

Congrats to the Pittsburgh Penguins! Beat the Sharks 3-1, winning the cup. Sharks goalie kept them in the game, did a fantastic job.

I don’t follow hockey, but I just have this mental image of Penguins beating on Sharks and I love that since my son has a big thing for Penguins (the birds, not the team). So in honor of my son, I offer these Penguins instead of the hockey ones :

seaworldparks.com

(flash required.)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:37:21pm

re: #130 majii

The pile-on began shortly after Ryan appeared on TV this morning. He dared say he disagrees with Trump’s idea of building a wall to keep “Mexicans” out and disagrees with him on mass deportations, and on banning Muslims from coming to the U.S. As per Muslims, who we know he and his GOP/TP buddies consider to all be terrorists, he said that security needs to be increased. Give me a frigging break! From the time any immigrant applies to come to the U.S., it takes 3-5 years or longer before they can actually get here because of all of the security checks they go through. Sarah Palin has to keep her name in the news because she has a serious addiction to attention. Plus, her PAC is not collecting as many donations at this time as it has in the past. She can post on Facebook about her article at Breitfart, link to it, pretend she’s still relevant, and beg for donations to Sarah PAC, all at the same time.

Every time she writes or speaks, I’m reminded that McCain and his guys thought she was good enough to be a heartbeat away with the man who would be the oldest ever elected president. Seriously, the guy was about American as she is, born and raised here. Just had immigrant parents. You know who else had an immigrant parent? Her friend Hair Drumpff. She’s so desperate to stay relevant that she has to be as hateful as possible. I don’t even like Ryan but Ryan at least can sometimes live in reality.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:37:39pm

re: #132 William Lewis

I don’t follow hockey, but I just have this mental image of Penguins beating on Sharks and I love that since my son has a big thing for Penguins (the birds, not the team). So in honor of my son, I offer these Penguins instead of the hockey ones :

seaworldparks.com

(flash required.)

Oh, William, did you see this? Check the comments if you haven’t, since unlike most comments they contain worthwhile info.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:38:24pm

re: #131 Jenner7

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A nice break from seeing Trump on the stump, thanks.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:38:28pm

re: #128 Jenner7

That announcer is the best in hockey.

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William Lewis  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:40:47pm

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

Oh, William, did you see this? Check the comments if you haven’t, since unlike most comments they contain worthwhile info.

Hadn’t seen it. Was thinking the other day that it had been a bit since I looked there. Thank you for the heads up. Just wish I could buy a 3 model myself :D

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:40:57pm

Currently reading:’
amazon.com
It’s about the Potato Famine. It’s hard not to read this and imagine my Irish ancestors in Famine era Ireland. I would love to find out exactly where in Ireland they came form eventually and visit some day. I’ve been to Ireland twice before and it’s always been a wonderful experience.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:43:09pm

re: #109 ipsos

Condolences, klys, on the sportspuck game.

Thanks.

I’m trying to do the right thing and stay off of Twitter and stuff. My mom and sister are here (leave tomorrow morning) and it’s just. Fuck today. I’m glad some people are finding some reason for joy out of it, but I’m not.

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A Cranky One  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:44:06pm

Guns don’t kill people. People kill people. BUT…

Many people’s behavior changes when they have guns around. Guns are the “great equalizer”. Guns make them feel powerful, threatening and in control.

Many fantasize about being a hero and pulling their gun to save the day. They’re then puzzled when they get arrested for firing their weapons to stop shoplifters.

Others fantasize about shooting someone and exaggerate the danger around them until they kill someone for talking back about loud music or simply because they look suspicious for carrying Skittles and a drink.

If someone wants to end their life, having a painless and simple way of doing so changes their behavior.

If someone wants to hurt a person or a lot of people, having the means to do so readily available greatly increases the chances of their acting on that desire.

I’m not arguing that guns affect everyone that way. Guns are tools and many people use them as such and with the caution deserved for any dangerous tool. But I would argue that for many people, a gun changes their behavior in negative ways.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:49:48pm

re: #139 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Thanks.

I’m trying to do the right thing and stay off of Twitter and stuff. My mom and sister are here (leave tomorrow morning) and it’s just. Fuck today. I’m glad some people are finding some reason for joy out of it, but I’m not.

Today was a good day for the devil, there’s no doubt about that.

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majii  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:49:49pm

re: #140 A Cranky One

I agree that for some people having guns at their disposal does change their behavior. As I was reading your post, I was thinking about the recent increase the U.S. has had in road rage incidents in which one drive pulls a gun on another. Some drivers have lost their lives because of this, and some of the shooters have walked free because of their states’ “Stand Your Ground” laws. I’m a gun owner, but I’ve never used my gun to intimidate anyone. The main reason I have them is because I live alone. Unlike some gun owners, I have no objection to enhanced background checks or being required to purchase insurance for my weapons.

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plansbandc  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:51:12pm

Letter George H.W. left for Bill Clinton. Pretty damn cool.

Imgur

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teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:51:53pm

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

Today was a good day for the devil, there’s no doubt about that.

There’s still Lizards in good standing who believe in The Devil.

Just an observation.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:53:23pm

I’m not going to engage on the issue insurance related to firearms because I currently sell insurance and thus what I say might be less about ‘best for the country’ and more about ‘best for DF’s wallet’.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:54:16pm

Problem is I’m sure the NRA and RWNJs would flip their shit about an insurance requirement infringing on the right to bear arms and thus being unconstitutional.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:54:41pm

I really wonder what this country would look like without the 2A.

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teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:55:03pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

I’m not going to engage on the issue insurance related to firearms because I currently sell insurance and thus what I say might be less about ‘best for the country’ and more about ‘best for DF’s wallet’.

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William Lewis  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:55:26pm

re: #144 teleskiguy

There’s still Lizards in good standing who believe in The Devil.

Just an observation.

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And those of us who are religious but simply believe in evil without the need of anthropomorphizing it. Humans are clever enough at finding ways to sin without any supernatural help.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:56:25pm

re: #147 Eclectic Cyborg

I really wonder what this country would look like without the 2A.

I honestly don’t know. I am not anti 2A. I really do get why someone would want to protect themselves and I especially understand it in an era where much of the country was agrarian and people hunted their own food. I just think the absolutist view as believed by the NRA/GOA does not help. And I certainly believe places like bars, schools, hospitals, etc are well within their rights to forbid guns on their premises.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:57:54pm

I really don’t understand the objection to things like registrations and background checks though. I mean we register our vehicles and we ensure you are proficient with a motor vehicle before you can operate one, I really think the same should be true with a gun.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:58:02pm

re: #148 teleskiguy

It is what it is.

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jaunte  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:58:57pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

I’m not going to engage on the issue insurance related to firearms because I currently sell insurance and thus what I say might be less about ‘best for the country’ and more about ‘best for DF’s wallet’.

If requiring firearms insurance is what it took to put the brakes on the killing, I don’t think anyone here would care if it was good for your wallet.

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William Lewis  Jun 12, 2016 • 8:59:26pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

I’m not going to engage on the issue insurance related to firearms because I currently sell insurance and thus what I say might be less about ‘best for the country’ and more about ‘best for DF’s wallet’.

I have little problem with that so long as it’s not used as a back door tax to make guns only available to the wealthy. It would be rather like a tax on printer paper that made it unobtainium. What good is freedom of the press if you can’t afford, literally, to print your press’ content? Likewise if the insurance mandate were used that way.

OTOH, having a mandate like with health insurance and (most? all? states) auto insurance? I don’t see that as being something that Must infringe. Then, I also think that handguns could easily be made into AOW under the NFA without it infringing.

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William Lewis  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:01:09pm

re: #147 Eclectic Cyborg

I really wonder what this country would look like without the 2A.

Hard to say because of how our Civil War and it’s aftermath, especially west of the Mississippi & east of the Sierria Nevada, played out. The Native American nations would, doubtless, be much stronger than they are today for example.

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A Cranky One  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:01:25pm

I grew up around guns and was taught to hunt by my grandparents, who raised kids during the depression and hunted to help keep food on the table. I was also taught to respect and even fear firearms because of the danger they present. I’ve also been in situations where a gun was needed for protection. But once my kids were born, there were no guns in the house and evidence suggests that I’m safer for that policy.

But I appreciate your comment, as I meant to include those who use guns in anger or put themselves into dangerous situations because they feel powerful. One of your examples was actually in mind. I believe two drivers in Wisconsin, both with legal CCW, got into a road rage incident and shot each other dead. I’ve always wondered which was the good guy with a gun and which was the bad guy.
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Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:04:26pm

And today is over for me. I’m going to crawl into my sweet bed and just sleep.

Peace.

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William Lewis  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:06:13pm

re: #156 A Cranky One

My father sold his .38 special snub nosed revolver when my mother became pregnant the first time. OTOH, I still had shotguns and a 22 rifle around while growing up. Now that I am an adult and have had military training in the use of a handgun, I probably am much safer owning my full sized revolver than if it had been around when i was growing up. OTOH, those firearms that were there gave me the lessons needed for a rural farm boy to safely handle them.

It really is rural vs urban more than anything else. Our cities do not need more guns but I’d really not wish to live out here without them to go hunting and everything else (including protection when police can be 35 - 45 minutes away).

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HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:06:41pm

I’m going to bed too. Tired. Hopefully I wake up and there’s good news unlike today.

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A Cranky One  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:09:31pm

re: #156 A Cranky One

HuffPo:Drivers shoot each other

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electrotek  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:11:13pm

re: #159 HappyWarrior

I’m going to bed too. Tired. Hopefully I wake up and there’s good news unlike today.

Me too. Still worried that someone will pull a Baruch Goldstein and go into a mosque to shoot at worshipers a la Hebron in the near future.

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A Cranky One  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:11:23pm

re: #158 William Lewis

Oh I agree. But in most rural areas, guns are treated as the dangerous tools they are, instead of as a toy or manhood extension.

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retired cynic  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:12:47pm

re: #162 A Cranky One

Oh I agree. But in most rural areas, guns are treated as the dangerous tools they are, instead of as a toy or manhood extension.

Not necessarily, but usually. Half the people out here are below average, too!

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A Cranky One  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:13:47pm

re: #163 retired cynic

Not necessarily, but usually. Half the people out here are below average, too!

I stand corrected. ;)

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Joe Bacon  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:14:32pm

re: #116 teleskiguy

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Cthulhu Dogs!

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electrotek  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:19:20pm
Meanwhile protesters outside called for authorities to shut down the Islamic center, with some driving by urging people to “burn it down.”

Drag queen: gunman was my friend

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:24:13pm

Yet more assholes, only these assholes are connected to the head of a nation that’s supposed to be our ally:

‘50 perverts killed in bar’: Homophobic headline on Turkish newspaper website with strong ties to country’s President Erdogan

Yeni Akit is a right-wing Turkish paper which has supported Al-Qaeda
It is known for its hate speech against LGBT groups, Jews and Christians
Also has strong ties with President Erdogan and his party, the AKP
Broke news of Orlando attack with headline: ‘Death toll rises to 50 in bar where perverted homosexuals go!’

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Lidane  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:26:12pm
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Kragar  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:26:17pm
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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:27:18pm

And because I want to have at least one hopeful story today, I present this:

Escape from Fallujah: 4,000 civilians leave the ISIS stronghold after Iraqi troops secured a safe exit route from the besieged city

The Iraqi army has secured a safe route from the besieged city of Fallujah which has been held by ISIS for two years
Human rights observers confirmed an estimated 4,000 civilians managed to fleesince Friday using the safe route
The United Nations fears there could be as many as 90,000 civilians trapped in Fallujah under ISIS control
The Iraqi army launched the offensive to retake the city, which is west of the capital Baghdad, from ISIS on May 23

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:32:54pm

re: #168 Lidane

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It’s my understanding that several people survived the massacre by hiding in bathrooms.

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William Lewis  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:34:01pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

Heard that earlier. Thank you for the reminder that we actually are defeating ISIL in the ways that will have a real chance at lasting. Unlike Herr Trump and his Reichstag Fire dreams…

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William Lewis  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:35:34pm

re: #171 Shiplord Kirel

It’s my understanding that several people survived the massacre by hiding in bathrooms.

Tactically that’s a good place to hole up. Crawl in there and you have both cover (walls that can stop bullets) and concealment (you are out of sight and out of mind). Turn out the lights when you go in too.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:40:23pm

re: #172 William Lewis

Heard that earlier. Thank you for the reminder that we actually are defeating ISIL in the ways that will have a real chance a lasting. Unlike Herr Trump and his Reichstag Fire dreams…

Glad to help. I’m going to take my leave for the night posting something that’s vengeful, since Daesh needs to pay for egging the Orlando terrorist on. But let’s aim our anger at the terror scum who’ve earned it and not against those whose only ‘offense’ is to be Muslim.

Toby Keith - Courtesy Of The Red, White And Blue (The Angry American)

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Lidane  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:43:00pm

Ok. This seriously brought me to tears:

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:54:36pm
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William Lewis  Jun 12, 2016 • 9:56:49pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:03:48pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:08:12pm

re: #177 William Lewis

Whoa.

That’s some righteous *dark* humor.

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teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:09:11pm

re: #176 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

You went there. Good stuff.

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teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:24:30pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:39:01pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:40:05pm

re: #178 goddamnedfrank

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“Long odds”? Courtney Love has better odds of being elected the next pope than Bernie Sanders has of receiving the nomination. By this point, his entire campaign is built around the hope that something will happen that will overcome months of hate and discontent he and his followers have heaped upon the party and award him the nomination.

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teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:40:48pm

re: #182 teleskiguy

I probably should have said ‘body autonomy’ but it’s Twitter and right now, it’s fine.

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Tigger2  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:45:37pm

re: #169 Kragar

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Lidane  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:45:38pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:51:04pm

The media keeps entertaining this idea that Sanders could still possibly win the nomination. They should be asking him instead “What happens after you don’t?” Not vague promises about working to stop Trump, what is he prepared to do after the superdelegates laugh in his face? Is he going to endorse Clinton? Will he campaign for her? Will he put aside his ego and accept she won fairly? Will he march off in a huff and go back to Vermont like nothing ever happened? Or will he try to launch an independent/Green Party bid and just complete his transformation into a political pariah?

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William Lewis  Jun 12, 2016 • 10:52:13pm

re: #183 Targetpractice

“Long odds”? Courtney Love has better odds of being elected the next pope than Bernie Sanders has of receiving the nomination. By this point, his entire campaign is built around the hope that something will happen that will overcome months of hate and discontent he and his followers have heaped upon the party and award him the nomination.

Hey now, I have a soft spot for Courtney. My (ex)wife and I saw Hole in concert a while after Cobain’s death and that was the most insane concert I’ve ever been to. She was probably on a a dozen different chemicals and was totally insane.

And yet, I’ll always love “Celebrity Skin” - especially the title track - because despite the haters, that was her and her band, No one else, at their best.

Hole - Celebrity Skin

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teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:10:52pm

re: #188 William Lewis

She played music, right? She showed up and did the work she was paid for. Right?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:11:40pm

The only way Bernie could win the nomination would be if Hillary Clinton were somehow…removed…from contention. Some of his deluded followers are still waiting for her to be arrested. When that doesn’t happen, a few of them are crazy enough to progress to more direct measures. I hope the Secret Service is being exceptionally vigilant.

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William Lewis  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:19:51pm

re: #189 teleskiguy

She played music, right? She showed up and did the work she was paid for. Right?

Occasionally. She was hardly perfect but she also wasn’t the demon that some of the conspiracy theorists would have. She made two good albums, one great one and a couple of stinkers.

I’d give my left nut to even produce a stinker with the that guitar that is sitting next to me right now. So I’ll always enjoy that utterly great album that she was able to be part of because I know I’ll probably never do anything even close to that.

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teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:30:26pm

re: #191 William Lewis

Occasionally. She was hardly perfect but she also wasn’t the demon that some of the conspiracy theorists would have. She made two good albums, one great one and a couple of stinkers.

I’d give my left nut to even produce a stinker with the that guitar that is sitting next to me right now. So I’ll always enjoy that utterly great album that she was able to be part of because I know I’ll probably never do anything even close to that.

I’ve been to fifty (50) Umphrey’s McGee shows, ‘cause those six guys are stooopid talented and are lucky as fuck to have found each other.

They played at CBGB before it closed, and played one of their most mellow tunes all motherfucking *Punk Rock.*

Umphrey’s McGee - Uncle Wally 4/21/06

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William Lewis  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:30:28pm

David Gilmour & David Bowie - Comfortably Numb

Just because…

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William Lewis  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:39:29pm

And even more than that song, perhaps one of the greatest riffs of all time…

The Velvet Underground Sweet Jane

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2016 • 11:55:23pm

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

It is what it is.

Any time you find yourself about to say or post this in the future, don’t. It’s a trite, meaningless non-thought. There is literally never in your life going to be a time when saying “it is what it is” is better than saying pretty much anything else or better yet nothing at all. Every single time that phrase is deployed it lowers the collective dialog of human civilization by some small but measurable degree.

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Kragar  Jun 13, 2016 • 12:02:40am

Guy who has been tweeting trite nonsense at me all day had retweeted this:

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IngisKahn  Jun 13, 2016 • 12:06:03am

re: #196 Kragar

YOU ARE NASA’s PSYOP!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 13, 2016 • 12:20:42am

re: #196 Kragar

Guy who has been tweeting trite nonsense at me all day had retweeted this:

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The answer is inertia. Plus the air is moving at almost the same rate as the ground. Wind comes from a difference in air pressure & temperature, though the rotation of the Earth imparts a rotational effect (Coriolis effect).

Galileo pretty much had the inertia part worked out by 1610. I suppose flat earthers consider him a heathen.

Columbus knew the Earth was round, though somewhat smaller than we know now. That was 1492.

Eratosthenes in the 3rd century BC worked out the circumference of the Earth using math and stuff.

People have flown and sailed around the world. How do flat earthers explain that, I wonder?

smdh

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 13, 2016 • 12:26:02am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, the Rage Furby has posted another nauseatingly deranged video at YouTube, telling people they should pay him to answer questions and bashing Steven Crowder. Yes, bashing Steven Crowder.

Did you catch this at the end of his DEPORT THEM ALL! post?

Yeah, like GotNooz is WaPo’s go-to site for news

“Scaling up” operations? Maybe he’ll try to deposit something on the floor more than once a day?

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Donkey With No Name  Jun 13, 2016 • 12:26:58am

On the topic of gun regulation versus auto regulation: I find it extremely difficult to believe that the Framers would have considered a “right to bear arms” more fundamental than a “right to transport oneself.” The right to move freely strikes me as so important to daily life that one doesn’t even imagine having to formalize it as a right. And yet, we talk about driving cars as a “privilege,” ignoring the fact that in the vast majority of the country, it’s the only viable mode of transportation, and that not having a driver’s license is a huge impediment to quality of life in a direct way that lacking a gun is not. (Just to be clear, obviously cars should be regulated - but I just find it bizarre that we would consider car operation a less important “right” than gun ownership.)

Some of the Framers criticized the Bill of Rights on the grounds that the rights listed there would be considered more fundamental than others, and unfortunately I think that is precisely what has happened, especially with regards to the Second Amendment. (So much for the Ninth…)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 13, 2016 • 12:36:11am

re: #200 Donkey With No Name

On the topic of gun regulation versus auto regulation: I find it extremely difficult to believe that the Framers would have considered a “right to bear arms” more fundamental than a “right to transport oneself.” The right to move freely strikes me as so important to daily life that one doesn’t even imagine having to formalize it as a right. And yet, we talk about driving cars as a “privilege,” ignoring the fact that in the vast majority of the country, it’s the only viable mode of transportation, and that not having a driver’s license is a huge impediment to quality of life in a direct way that lacking a gun is not. (Just to be clear, obviously cars should be regulated - but I just find it bizarre that we would consider car operation a less important “right” than gun ownership.)

Some of the Framers criticized the Bill of Rights on the grounds that the rights listed there would be considered more fundamental than others, and unfortunately I think that is precisely what has happened, especially with regards to the Second Amendment. (So much for the Ninth…)

I doubt they expected that gun ownership would be elevated to the level of a divine right in the 20th century. Guns in the 18th century were expensive, and most people who owned them were living on the frontier, needed them for hunting, or perhaps for the occasional duel.*

Now guns can be bought and sold on the Internet, and there are people who own dozens for no partcular reason but to own dozens of firearms.

* There is a fairly graphic duel in the latest version of Roots. Tom Lea (Chicken George’s owner) squares off with a landowner who didn’t care much for Irishmen. First shot, each man misses. Second shot, Lea’s shot appears to enter the other guy’s mouth, leaving through his cheek. (Or maybe it grazed his cheek.) Other guy’s second shot pierces Lea’s left hand.

Then they go at each other with swords. Bloody and brutal.

But apparently very gentlemanly.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 13, 2016 • 12:47:05am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, the Rage Furby has posted another nauseatingly deranged video at YouTube, telling people they should pay him to answer questions and bashing Steven Crowder. Yes, bashing Steven Crowder.

Did you watch the whole thing? I couldn’t last past 2 minutes. He talks the way he writes — no clear purpose or direction, just a concatenation of random thoughts hanging on his imagined importance.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 13, 2016 • 12:56:53am

That’s how he thinks as well.

That’s how a lot of people think.

And that’s the problem.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 13, 2016 • 1:25:36am

It’s still only been 26 hours since the Orlando shooting started. In that time we have probably had upward of 100 more shooting deaths in this country. This is getting close to the 210 per day average of battle deaths in World War II, and worse than all but a few days in Vietnam. Something like mass resignation seems to have set in, as though shootings were a capricious force of nature, or some virulent disease for which there is no known cure. Of course, diseases and natural disasters don’t usually have monstrously powerful political forces lobbying in their favor.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:37:41am

re: #204 Shiplord Kirel

It’s still only been 26 hours since the Orlando shooting started. In that time we have probably had upward of 100 more shooting deaths in this country. This is getting close to the 210 per day average of battle deaths in World War II, and worse than all but a few days in Vietnam. Something like mass resignation seems to have set in, as though shootings were a capricious force of nature, or some virulent disease for which there is no known cure. Of course, diseases and natural disasters don’t usually have monstrously powerful political forces lobbying in their favor.

Not exactly: remember the ideological forces that prevented AIDS research when it first became widespread.

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Ming5000  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:40:13am

re: #205 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Not exactly: remember the ideological forces that prevented AIDS research when it first became widespread.

Right. And what is up with GOP resistance to fighting Zika?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:42:21am

re: #206 Ming5000

Right. And what is up with GOP resistance to fighting Zika?
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Because the obvious answer is to promote birth control for childbearing women at risk, and that counters Conservative ideology on birth control.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:59:33am

re: #206 Ming5000

Right. And what is up with GOP resistance to fighting Zika?
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Some idiot* tweeted that Americans (i.e, USA-ians) are immune. He didn’t come up with that idea himself; it may be the current RWNJ belief circulating in the echo chamber. Strangely, there was considerable alarm about Ebola, and before that, H1N1, but not much willingness to fund research, because that would be science. Science bad.

Moseys and viruses really could care less about politics or skin color, though. These idiots* need to be reminded of the Spanish flu pandemic of the early 20th century. It was color-blind and knew no political boundaries.

* Please pardon the “ableist” language, but some people just are.

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Ming5000  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:02:55am

re: #208 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

What do you mean by “moseys”?

By “ableist” language you mean you are giving them a pass because they are simply idiots? haha..(if i got it right)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:06:26am

Just watched GoT episode 8.

Spoilers alert:

Click to Reveal

Arya is rightly pissed and tough as nails. Danny’s back with her dragon. She’s probably rightly pissed, too, considering what a fucking mess Merreen is in. Sandor Clegane is also rightly pissed. Cersei’s been neutralized. She’s pissed and powerless to control what she unleashed, kinda like the GOP. Jaime Lannister subplot — boring.

Funny how the writers, once freed of the novels’ glacial plot pacing, manage to move us toward some halfway visible plot resolutions.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:10:07am

re: #209 Ming5000

What do you mean by “moseys”?

By “ableist” language you mean you are giving them a pass because they are simply idiots? haha..(if i got it right)

Sorry. South African slang for mosquitoes. Some of the lingo has stuck with me.

“Ableist” language is the latest thing. Some people think denigrating people who are less able intellectually than you is prejudicial and hurtful, and have banned that kind of language on their blogs.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:12:21am

re: #211 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

“Ableist” language is the latest thing. Some people think denigrating people who are less able intellectually than you is prejudicial and hurtful, and have banned that kind of language on their blogs.

Words are easy. Context is hard.

Using a word to describe or identify a person is different from using one to classify or dehumanize a person.

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Ming5000  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:12:57am

re: #211 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Holy crap! I missed the “ableist” memo!

I hope “RWNJ” is not in danger.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:48:13am

re: #213 Ming5000

Holy crap! I missed the “ableist” memo!

I hope “RWNJ” is not in danger.

Only at tcot and the “Twitter gulag”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:54:28am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:56:10am
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Dave In Austin  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:01:00am

I see Rick Scott still can’t bring himself to acknowledge the LGBT community that was the target of this atrocity.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:35:28am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:36:50am
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ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:37:54am

re: #217 Dave In Austin

I see Rick Scott still can’t bring himself to acknowledge the LGBT community that was the target of this atrocity.

That idiot was just interviewed by Matt Lauer and Lauer asked him about America wanting to know what we can do about the availability of guns like the AR15. He went right past the question and started talking about the hurt many of the victims families are going through and we need to wipe out ISIS.

This will be repeated over and over by other politicians.

Guns are good. Pray to the gun.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:39:19am

re: #220 ObserverArt

That idiot was just interviewed by Matt Lauer and Lauer asked him about America wanting to know what we can do about the availability of guns like the AR15. He went right past the question and started talking about the hurt many of the victims families are going through and we need to wipe out ISIS.

This will be repeated over and over by other politicians.

Guns are good. Pray to the gun.

The gun is good, etc., etc.
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ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:39:54am

re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And Trump did that routine on The Today Show too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:42:50am
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Barefoot Grin  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:43:50am

re: #222 ObserverArt

And Trump did that routine on The Today Show too.

The “President Obama has something else in mind” CT thing? That is disgusting. I’ll bet he never gets called on it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:45:27am

ok…………..

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jeffreyw  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:45:38am

Imgur
Good morning!

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sagehen  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:47:27am

re: #217 Dave In Austin

I see Rick Scott still can’t bring himself to acknowledge the LGBT community that was the target of this atrocity.

And Hispanics. There’s lots of gay clubs in Florida; odd that he chose the one doing Latin night and most of names released so far sound Hispanic. (cuban? mexican? puerto rican? I sure can’t tell.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:48:55am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:49:57am

re: #227 sagehen

And Hispanics. There’s lots of gay clubs in Florida; odd that he chose the one doing Latin night and most of names released so far sound Hispanic. (cuban? mexican? puerto rican? I sure can’t tell.)

It was a Puerto Rican Pride event at the Pulse.

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ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:51:19am

re: #224 Barefoot Grin

The “President Obama has something else in mind” CT thing? That is disgusting. I’ll bet he never gets called on it.

Yeah. Why didn’t he just come out and say Obama is working to make America a Muslim country. He is such a big talking tough guy go ahead and say it.

And you’re right they will never call that out. Now that he is the nominee they have to allow him on.

I’d love to see him be labeled so toxic he would be the first presidential candidate refused media coverage. I know it will never happen, but he is deserving of that decision.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:52:17am

The pea brains on the right are in meltdown.

Guns are good!
Muslims are bad.
Gay people are bad.
Hispanics are bad.

So, a deranged Muslim guy just shot 49 Hispanic people dead in a gay bar with an AR-15. What is your comment?

BZZZTT! … My thoughts and prayers are with the victims’ families.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:52:56am

gaaaaaahhhhhhh

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:54:10am

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaaaaahhhhhhh

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Like he knows any personally.

Is this jackass really getting nat sec briefs from the White House?

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(((The Engineer Lobuno)))  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:54:41am

re: #227 sagehen

And Hispanics. There’s lots of gay clubs in Florida; odd that he chose the one doing Latin night and most of names released so far sound Hispanic. (cuban? mexican? puerto rican? I sure can’t tell.)

Last I heard, there are at least 2 Puerto Ricans dead, and several missing.

It’s not easy to distinguish country of origin by the name alone, especially last name.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:56:15am

re: #234 (((The Engineer Lobuno)))

Last I heard, there are at least 2 Puerto Ricans dead, and several missing.

It’s not easy to distinguish country of origin by the name alone, especially last name.

Anyway, they’re probably all US citizens.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:58:33am

re: #224 Barefoot Grin

The “President Obama has something else in mind” CT thing? That is disgusting. I’ll bet he never gets called on it.

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(((The Engineer Lobuno)))  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:59:43am

re: #233 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Like he knows any personally.

Is this jackass really getting nat sec briefs from the White House?

Of course he knows. Hundreds of his friends are Muslims.

(beat)

Wait, that’s not how this meme work?

// :-P

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:59:47am

re: #236 Backwoods_Sleuth

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In an month, he’ll deny he ever said it.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:01:36am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

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By bizarre, you must mean totally expected, because this is where years or irrational hate and fear have taken them.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:02:21am

re: #236 Backwoods_Sleuth

Someone ought to ask Trump about his close ties to Alex Jones and ask if he’s an adviser.

Because it seems that Trump’s chief news source is Jones.

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ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:04:34am

I wonder if anyone considering Trump for President realizes should he become President nothing is going to change overnight. I get the feeling a lot of Americans think once Trump has office, a big strong guy like him will scare the hell and evil out of ISIS and all terrorists and all will change.

Yeah right.

How about thinking it will embolden ISIS and others to really go after America because it is Trump thinking and positions that they use to recruit and it is America’s (and Europe and even Russia) overall mucking about in the Middle East that really brought about the formation of the terror groups.

How many terror groups were there up until the late 80s? And America may be responsible for ISIS because of the War on Terror other wise known as the invasion of Iraq.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:06:06am

re: #241 ObserverArt

Trump is a thin-skinned bully who thinks that he can get his way through bluster and bigotry.

IS knows how to deal with people like that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:07:12am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:10:33am
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sagehen  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:12:01am

For a change of pace, here’s

The most thorough, profound and moving defense of Hillary Clinton I have ever seen.
dailykos.com

tiny excerpt from a long post:

To conservatives she is a radical left-wing insurgent who has on multiple occasions been compared to Mikhail Suslov, the Soviet Kremlin’s long-time Chief of Ideology. To many progressives (you know who you are), she is a Republican fox in Democratic sheep’s clothing, a shill for Wall Street who doesn’t give a damn about the working class. The fact that these views could not possibly apply to the same person does not seem to give either side pause. Hillary haters on the right and the left seem perfectly happy to maintain their mutually incompatible delusions about why she is awful.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:14:22am

So, how do the stock markets react on the first day after a mass shooting/domestic terror attack against a gay nightclub?

Predictably. Entirely predictable:

Gun stock rise in premarket trading, because the NRA has primed everyone to go buy guns ahead of the belief that guns will be banned or somehow restricted.

Mass shootings are good for gun business. I don’t mean to be flippant about this, but the reality is that the NRA and gun manufacturers see a bump in sales after every major domestic mass shooting (10+ victims). Without fail, the NRA claims that now the US will ban firearms, or a subset of guns, all while ignoring that there are some weapons that serve no purpose in the hands of a civilian population, and they certainly provide no check on government or protect your 1A rights or other such blatherings since if the government really wanted to come after *you*, there’s not a thing you can actually do except flee.

Stand and fight? Against what/who? A UAV at 30k feet doing figure 8s while waiting for targeting data? An over the horizon missile strike from a frigate or submarine? Or a tank firing it’s main gun from 2 miles away? What could you possibly arm yourself with that will stop a government?

The 3p types think that they can arm themselves, and standoff against the government, but we see how those end up too. Guys with guns who are armchair rangers end up getting themselves arrested for breaking all manner of federal and state law, so they will occupy federal facilities breaking big rocks into small ones.

Oh sure, some of the sovcits might get some LEOs bloodied, and there could be casualties on both sides, but in the end the government has much more weaponry at its disposal and can pick/choose when/where/how to stop this nonsense (as witnessed by the Malheur standoff).

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:15:11am

re: #126 teleskiguy

Not linking, but today on her Twitter she had the ALL-CAPS “ISLAMIC TERRORIST EXTREMIST” post, which gave me a light chuckle.

Thank Dog that next January 20, President Trump will finally chant the magic incantation “radical Islamic terrorism”, causing all the radical Islamic terrorists heads to go splodey./

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sagehen  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:15:25am

re: #210 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Just watched GoT episode 8.

Spoilers alert:

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Funny how the writers, once freed of the novels’ glacial plot pacing, manage to move us toward some halfway visible plot resolutions.

must resist. must not click. finger twitching, biting my lip. Get thee behind me, Satan!

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ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:15:33am

re: #231 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The pea brains on the right are in meltdown.

Guns are good!
Muslims are bad.
Gay people are bad.
Hispanics are bad.

So, a deranged Muslim guy just shot 49 Hispanic people dead in a gay bar with an AR-15. What is your comment?

BZZZTT! … My thoughts and prayers are with the victims’ families.

When will some RWNJ or NRA spokesman come out and say their thoughts and prayers are for AR15s and automatic pistols because in a tragedy like this they are mistreated and heaped with scorn?

And how soon until Trump and the NRA propose that all Americans over the age of 18 be given an AR-15 or other assault style rifle and one 9mm semi automatic pistol with complete training to Make American Safe Again?

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Timothy Watson  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:16:15am

re: #249 ObserverArt

When will some RWNJ or NRA spokesman come out and say their thoughts and prayers are for AR15s and automatic pistols because in a tragedy like this they are mistreated and heaped with scorn?

And how soon until Trump and the NRA propose that all Americans over the age of 18 be given an AR-15 or other assault style rifle and one 9mm semi automatic pistol with complete training to Make American Safe Again?

9MM?!?!! REAL MEN USE A .45 ACP!!1!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:16:50am
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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:17:30am

re: #133 HappyWarrior

Every time she writes or speaks, I’m reminded that McCain and his guys thought she was good enough to be a heartbeat away with the man who would be the oldest ever elected president. Seriously, the guy was about American as she is, born and raised here. Just had immigrant parents. You know who else had an immigrant parent? Her friend Hair Drumpff. She’s so desperate to stay relevant that she has to be as hateful as possible. I don’t even like Ryan but Ryan at least can sometimes live in reality.

Heck, Hair Drumpff’s children have an immigrant parent!

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:19:07am

re: #206 Ming5000

Right. And what is up with GOP resistance to fighting Zika?
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Demands for an offset elsewhere in the non-defense budget is what’s up.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:20:35am

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

Demands for an offset elsewhere in the non-defense budget is what’s up.

The preceding comment was meant solely to explain, not to express approval.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:21:20am

re: #151 HappyWarrior

I really don’t understand the objection to things like registrations and background checks though. I mean we register our vehicles and we ensure you are proficient with a motor vehicle before you can operate one, I really think the same should be true with a gun.

REGSTRASHUN IZ SO DUH GUDMINT KNOZ WHERE TO GO TO TAK MAH GUNZ!!!

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ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:23:06am

re: #238 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

In an month, he’ll deny he ever said it.

A month? Ask him in the next question if he was saying Obama was allowing it and he will say “you said that, I didn’t say that. You can’t say things like that. If I were president it would never be said, because I would be so tough on ISIS and Islamic Radicals they would leave this country out of fear.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:25:44am

This guy is in court this morning for shooting a Warren County, Ohio, sheriff’s deputy Thursday night (the deputy is OK).

I don’t think arguing with the court like this is going to work for him.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:27:33am

re: #183 Targetpractice

“Long odds”? Courtney Love has better odds of being elected the next pope than Bernie Sanders has of receiving the nomination. By this point, his entire campaign is built around the hope that something will happen that will overcome months of hate and discontent he and his followers have heaped upon the party and award him the nomination.

Same thing the GOP is hoping for; the fantasy email indictment.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:27:52am

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

Demands for an offset elsewhere in the non-defense budget is what’s up.

They wanted to offset spending from Ebola research to fund Zika research. That’s the specifics we’re talking about.

It’s absolutely indefensible.

Every dollar spent on medical research ends up saving more money down the line - and creates economic growth.

It’s the kind of thing that debt is for - it’s investing in the public good.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:30:47am

re: #196 Kragar

Guy who has been tweeting trite nonsense at me all day had retweeted this:

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Not blocking him due to the entertainment value of crazy?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:31:36am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, the Rage Furby has posted another nauseatingly deranged video at YouTube, telling people they should pay him to answer questions and bashing Steven Crowder. Yes, bashing Steven Crowder.

I’ll admit I’ve been looking for some place to put all my excess cash. Sure, I’ll pay to ask Rage Furby questions on YouTube.

////

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Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:33:53am

re: #210 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Just watched GoT episode 8.

Spoilers alert:

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Funny how the writers, once freed of the novels’ glacial plot pacing, manage to move us toward some halfway visible plot resolutions.

What I want to know is, where’s the Night’s King? What the hell’s this guy been doing since we last saw him? He’s like the laziest villain ever.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:34:02am

too soon…….

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:35:29am

Oh Howie, whatever are we going to do with you.

Oh, he’s just asking the questions. You know, like if Hillary brings in Warren as her VP choice, that there’ll be questions over her foreign policy credentials.

I’m sorry, but if you’re going to go that route, then start with Trump - who has no experience on anything relating to government except his knowledge at trying to short local governments out of property taxes and his fluency in bankruptcy and creditor rules.

Trump has no foreign policy experience at all. None. Not a single bit.

But we’re supposed to be worried about Warren and her supposed lack of qualifications? Seriously? That’s where you want to go?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:35:41am

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

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ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:36:00am

re: #263 Backwoods_Sleuth

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too soon…….

Yeah, got to let the barrel of the gun cool down from all that usage.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:37:22am

re: #262 Sir John Barron

What I want to know is, where’s the Night’s King? What the hell’s this guy been doing since we last saw him? He’s like the laziest villain ever.

He’s catching up on Walking Dead episodes for research purposes.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:37:28am

re: #245 sagehen

For a change of pace, here’s

The most thorough, profound and moving defense of Hillary Clinton I have ever seen.
dailykos.com

tiny excerpt from a long post:

Have finally started unfollowing some of the worst of the BernieBros on Twitter—the ones in particular who have taken to retweeting Trump voters. That’s the point of no return for me.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:38:13am

re: #264 lawhawk

Trump has no foreign policy experience at all. None. Not a single bit.

But we’re supposed to be worried about Warren and her supposed lack of qualifications? Seriously? That’s where you want to go?

Which is why any discussion of his Islamophobia, xenophobia, bigotry, misogyny, the size of his hands, etc., only helps him as it distracts the discussion from his salient weakness: he has no record of public service.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:38:49am

re: #265 Backwoods_Sleuth

Rubio suggests Orlando shooting has him reconsidering another Senate run (AUDIO) t.co pic.twitter.com
— Talking Points Memo

He also needs the income the job would provide.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:38:49am

“It’s nice to know our fed government and FBI has America’s best interest at heart,” Cooper wrote in a post shared on Facebook. “When they spend millions of dollars in resources to round up and murder innocent Americans patriots and ranchers. In particular Robert LaVoy Finicum while dropping the ball on Islamic terrorism allowing hundreds of innocent Americans to be murdered at the hands of Islamic terrorist.”

“I wander (sic) if Obama will call this work place violence?” Cooper added. “At least Donald Trump is offering a solution. I know who gets my vote.”

It’s not clear whether Cooper, who has a lengthy felony record in Arizona, is actually able to vote in November’s presidential election.

He would be allowed to vote while awaiting charges in jail, but it’s not clear whether he repaid court fees and applied for the restoration of his civil rights following a felony conviction.

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ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:39:05am

re: #265 Backwoods_Sleuth

Talking Points Memo ✔ @TPM
Rubio suggests Orlando shooting has him reconsidering another Senate run (AUDIO) bit.ly
9:28 AM - 13 Jun 2016
4 4 Retweets 2 2 likes

Let see. How can we put this so that Little Marco understands?

NO!

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:39:39am

re: #240 lawhawk

Someone ought to ask Trump about his close ties to Alex Jones and ask if he’s an adviser.

Because it seems that Trump’s chief news source is Jones.

And National Enquirer

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:40:18am

re: #265 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why? What’s Rubio going to bring to the table that he hasn’t already?

Meanwhile, his tag team partner in Texas offers up the usual assortment of empty thoughts and prayers, which is the right wing substitute for acting to reduce the chances of further mass shootings.

It’s also rather rich that the same people who offer up their thoughts and prayers to the victims and families affected would deprive them of equal rights and protections because they are gay. Yeah, that goes for both Cruz and Rubio (both are more than willing to push states’ rights to reassert bigotry and deprive minorities of equal rights/protections; you know, the refuge of the the bigot brigade and mirroring the same arguments used to justify slavery, miscegenation laws, segregation, Jim Crow, etc.)

The right wing is nothing if not predictable.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:41:18am

re: #264 lawhawk

Oh Howie, whatever are we going to do with you.

Oh, he’s just asking the questions. You know, like if Hillary brings in Warren as her VP choice, that there’ll be questions over her foreign policy credentials.

I’m sorry, but if you’re going to go that route, then start with Trump - who has no experience on anything relating to government except his knowledge at trying to short local governments out of property taxes and his fluency in bankruptcy and creditor rules.

Trump has no foreign policy experience at all. None. Not a single bit.

But we’re supposed to be worried about Warren and her supposed lack of qualifications? Seriously? That’s where you want to go?

TRUMP HAS GOLF COURSES IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES THATS HIS EXPERIENCE!!!!!!

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:41:34am

Yawn.

Mourning in America:

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ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:43:06am

re: #274 lawhawk

The right wing is nothing if not predictable disgusting.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:45:18am

of course.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:45:39am

So. That guy from Indiana that got busted in Calli with a car full of guns… Is bi. And a 9/11 and Charlie Hebdo truther. What the heck.

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Jenner7  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:46:39am
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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:48:08am

I’m going to have to time out here, because the right wing lunacy is overwhelming, especially with the nonsensical thoughts and prayers schtick. If you’re in a position of power to act, then you have a moral and ethical responsibility to do so. If you’re in the media, you have responsibility as well. Thoughts and prayers isn’t your “Get out of doing anything, ever” card. It’s showing everyone that words are all you have, and you couldn’t care about the butcher’s bill.


(retweeted by SMOTI)

This latter one is just full of WTF. Why would anyone think that the GOP is accepting of the LGBT community? They’ve opposed SSM. They oppose equal rights and protections for minority communities, and they want to roll back legal protections under the VRA, making it tougher for people to vote.

That’s hardly a recipe for getting anyone to join the party, except for the bigot brigade who thinks that their rights are deprived because others now have the same right that they’ve always taken for granted.

Ugh…

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Jenner7  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:48:44am

So, Trump suggests there are Muslims here that are worse than Mateen. But, no, he’s not going to after them, just Muslims who want to enter the US. Right.

This guy is a big fat fascist.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:50:04am

re: #279 GlutenFreeJesus

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Jenner7  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:50:17am

re: #281 lawhawk

I was listening to a bit of Beck this morning and he said “these people were just living their lives fighting for equality…”.

Yeah, and you wanted to deny them that. Fucking asshole.

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:52:16am

re: #264 lawhawk

Oh Howie, whatever are we going to do with you.

Oh, he’s just asking the questions. You know, like if Hillary brings in Warren as her VP choice, that there’ll be questions over her foreign policy credentials.

I’m sorry, but if you’re going to go that route, then start with Trump - who has no experience on anything relating to government except his knowledge at trying to short local governments out of property taxes and his fluency in bankruptcy and creditor rules.

Trump has no foreign policy experience at all. None. Not a single bit.

But we’re supposed to be worried about Warren and her supposed lack of qualifications? Seriously? That’s where you want to go?

Democrats are expected to know how government works, so it’s OK to ask them tough questions about how they’re going to govern.

Republicans don’t really want to govern, so we just need to make sure they know how to ask someone else to tie their shoes.

You don’t ask the jocks the tough questions, you ask the nerds those. You celebrate when the jock gets an A, you mock the nerd when they get a B.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:53:42am

Frum has a broken clock moment:

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ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:54:24am

re: #284 Jenner7

I was listening to a bit of Beck this morning and he said “these people were just living their lives fighting for equality…”.

Yeah, and you wanted to deny them that. Fucking asshole.

The disgusting thing is they are all using the dead and wounded for political scoring. As soon as this all dies down they will go right back to their usual stance on LGBT matters, guns, etc.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:58:48am

O_o

Donald Trump on Monday said the United States must look at its mosques in responding to the Orlando terror attack in which a gunman killed 49 people at a nightclub.

“We have to be very strong with our military, with our security, we have to be extremely strong,” Trump said during a phone interview on “Fox and Friends.

“We have to be very strong in terms of looking at the mosques, you know, which a lot of people say, ‘Oh we don’t want to do that, we don’t want to do that.’ We’re beyond that.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:00:49am

re: #288 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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I swear, he’s trying to incite a Kristallnacht kind of reaction here.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:05:08am

re: #289 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I swear, he’s trying to incite a Kristallnacht kind of reaction here.

This is the very thing that plays into their hands. Just wait until we see a major natural and/or man-made catastrophe in which disrupts public services and law enforcement over a wide area or for a large population.

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Jenner7  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:05:46am

Romney also suggested Obama’s a terrorist sympathizer after Benghazi.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:09:51am

This new 130mm tank gun is the talk of the Eurosatory defense expo:

By the end of the week Donald Trump will be comparing it to his penis.

BBT

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:10:17am

Microsoft will buy LinkedIn for $26B
bbc.com

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(insert sarc tag here)  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:15:53am

re: #281 lawhawk

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Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:21:06am

re: #288 Backwoods_Sleuth

“We have to be very strong with our military, with our security, we have to be extremely strong,” Trump said during a phone interview on “Fox and Friends.

“extremely strong” is the new “severely conservative”.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:24:39am

re: #295 Sir John Barron

“extremely strong” is the new “severely conservative”.

Someone should ask Trump if he intends to “phone in” if he’s elected president, like put the Cabinet on conference call and bark orders from his manse.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:25:26am

re: #296 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Someone should ask Trump if intends to “phone in” if he’s elected president, like put the Cabinet on conference call and bark orders from his manse.

Phone in? He’s gonna drone in!

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Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:26:34am

Curious about the armed guard who was said to be at the club’s entrance. How did the gunman get past him, did the armed guard fire on the shooter? Haven’t seen anything so far in the reports.

Also interesting that the shooting occurred around 2 am, which was apparently around closing time? Wonder why the gunman chose such a late hour.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:27:15am

My guess? Going to have some personal connection to one of his victims.
I can’t get past the fact that he drove over 100 miles to commit the tragedy in Orlando.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:30:01am

re: #297 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Phone in? He’s gonna drone in!

He will have a very strong phone in game. Very strong. Believe me.

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ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:30:14am

re: #296 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Someone should ask Trump if he intends to “phone in” if he’s elected president, like put the Cabinet on conference call and bark orders from his manse.

Heh. From Urban Dictionary…

1. phone it in
Perform an act in a perfunctory, uncommitted fashion, as if it didn’t matter.

2. phone it in
Literal - To present something, whether an idea, project, product, etc. by way of a phone call, rather than in person.

Used to describe a lazy or uninspired attempt.

Minimal effort.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:32:09am

Well, my guess on the “scoop” didn’t pan out.
But, I won’t be surprised if I turn out to be correct.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:32:34am

re: #299 FormerDirtDart

My guess? Going to have some personal connection to one of his victims.
I can’t get past the fact that he drove over 100 miles to commit the tragedy in Orlando.

Hmmm, didn’t realize he drove that far.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:32:44am

Tone.

Newt’s tone deaf, so go figure.

Except when the NRA calls, which is when they jump into action to stop any action that might have prevented this or any other mass shooting, suicide, homicide, or accidental shooting involving toddlers and guns (the latter being a real thing).

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:33:35am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:34:29am

re: #304 lawhawk

Tone.

Newt’s tone deaf, so go figure.

Except when the NRA calls, which is when they jump into action to stop any action that might have prevented this or any other mass shooting, suicide, homicide, or accidental shooting involving toddlers and guns (the latter being a real thing).

What’s Newt complaining about? Who said anything about “tone”?

Also, too: Newt, your are one of the “elites”.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:38:26am

re: #305 lawhawk

Oh, body armor, too.

His being a security guard apparently served to reduce some of the scrutiny he might otherwise have been subject to in getting clearance for the weapons, at least that was in one report I saw. But the body armor? Didn’t realize civilians could even get that.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:40:37am

Mateen definitely wasn’t one of those “quiet guys you’d never suspect.” His ex-wife said he was violent, and a former co-worker said he had a violent temper and the co-worker intentionally lost contact with him and he was exactly the kind of guy who would do something like this. This was probably not a planned terrorist operation by Daesh; it was a violent, unstable man with a hair-trigger temper and easy access to very powerful weapons.

yahoo.com

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:42:37am

re: #308 Big Beautiful Door

Mateen definitely wasn’t one of those “quiet guys you’d never suspect.” His ex-wife said he was violent, and a former co-worker said he had a violent temper and the co-worker intentionally lost contact with him and he was exactly the kind of guy who would do something like this. This was probably not a planned terrorist operation by Daesh; it was a violent, unstable man with a hair-trigger temper and easy access to very powerful weapons.

yahoo.com

If he were white and Christian, he’d be a “lone wolf,” a “disturbed individual.” Instead, because he’s a Muslim and first-gen American, he’s called a terrorist.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:43:30am

re: #307 Sir John Barron

Oh, body armor, too.

His being a security guard apparently served to reduce some of the scrutiny he might otherwise have been subject to in getting clearance for the weapons, at least that was in one report I saw. But the body armor? Didn’t realize civilians could even get that.

Anyone can buy body armor. Some companies restrict their sales to to Mil/LE, but that is more to ensure their target customers have limited delay in access to material.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:43:39am

re: #307 Sir John Barron

Oh, body armor, too.

His being a security guard apparently served to reduce some of the scrutiny he might otherwise have been subject to in getting clearance for the weapons, at least that was in one report I saw. But the body armor? Didn’t realize civilians could even get that.

Not that any of this was in any way her fault, but it sure would’ve been nice if his ex-wife had filed a police complaint against him for domestic violence. Of course even with that on his record, he would still be able to buy whatever weaponry he wanted at gun shows.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:44:47am

All 3 were able to get any kind of gun their heart desired. Without the firearms, they wouldn’t have been able to rack up the body count they did.

Just like everyone else who was able to legally buy a firearm as the good guy with a gun, right up until the moment they went rogue and murdered a bunch of people.

Know who else was a good guy with a gun who was able to buy it without the slightest bit of scrutiny? The guy from Indiana who made it to CA with guns and explosives, but was caught before he could carry out his terror attack.

Know the only difference? Timing. He was caught. The FL gunman wasn’t.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:49:45am

re: #309 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

If he were white and Christian, he’d be a “lone wolf,” a “disturbed individual.” Instead, because he’s a Muslim and first-gen American, he’s called a terrorist.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:50:43am
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Lidane  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:53:51am

re: #293 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Microsoft will buy LinkedIn for $26B
bbc.com

Maybe they’ll find some use for it. My LinkedIn profile exists as an electronic resume, but that’s about it. I rarely go to the site otherwise.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:54:19am

re: #312 lawhawk

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All 3 were able to get any kind of gun their heart desired. Without the firearms, they wouldn’t have been able to rack up the body count they did.

Just like everyone else who was able to legally buy a firearm as the good guy with a gun, right up until the moment they went rogue and murdered a bunch of people.

Know who else was a good guy with a gun who was able to buy it without the slightest bit of scrutiny? The guy from Indiana who made it to CA with guns and explosives, but was caught before he could carry out his terror attack.

Know the only difference? Timing. He was caught. The FL gunman wasn’t.

Yep.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:54:20am

Yes, the answer is obviously random drunk person(s) with a firearm, in a distraction heavy environment…

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:55:02am

re: #288 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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Looking at Mateen’s mosque wouldn’t have helped. His Imam saw no signs that Mateen was capable of this.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:55:40am

re: #309 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

If he were white and Christian, he’d be a “lone wolf,” a “disturbed individual.” Instead, because he’s a Muslim and first-gen American, he’s called a terrorist.

That pretty much is the case. If Mateen had been a white Christian, it would be a lone wolf with mental health issues but because he’s a Muslim of Afghan background, it means it was ISIS! It’s so fucking typical and then the GOP who have shat on LGBT people for years pretending like they give a shit about them.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:56:20am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:56:52am

re: #317 FormerDirtDart

Yes, the answer is obviously random drunk person(s) with a firearm, in a distraction heavy environment…

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Grrrr, I’m so fuck and tired of this stupid fallacy. It’s so stupid and I’m sure the families of the dead love hearing that from a pathetic hack like Trump who doesn’t know the first thing about guns but knows kissing the party line’s ass on guns is how he gets votes.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:57:50am

re: #320 FormerDirtDart

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The NRA/GOP has blood on their hands for their refusal to consider any compromise on guns as far as I’m concerned.

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Franklin  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:58:12am

re: #320 FormerDirtDart

I can’t even bring myself to a “We’re number 1” joke. This is too fucking infuriating. Pardon my French.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:58:33am

re: #317 FormerDirtDart

Yes, the answer is obviously random drunk person(s) with a firearm, in a distraction heavy environment…

If you want to defend yourself and your family at home, then that is still your right. But the skills set necessary to defend yourself and others in a public live-shooter setting (nerves of steel, good situational awareness, years of training/experience) is not something you can buy over the counter at the local sporting goods store…

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Timothy Watson  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:58:46am

re: #307 Sir John Barron

Oh, body armor, too.

His being a security guard apparently served to reduce some of the scrutiny he might otherwise have been subject to in getting clearance for the weapons, at least that was in one report I saw. But the body armor? Didn’t realize civilians could even get that.

I could buy all those in a single day at a gunshow here in Virginia and no one pay a second mind to it.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:58:48am

Note: Mateen’s parents were from Afghanistan. ISIS doesn’t exist in Afghanistan. His father’s support and politics seemed more nationalist based than religious.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:59:10am

re: #318 Big Beautiful Door

Looking at Mateen’s mosque wouldn’t have helped. His Imam saw no signs that Mateen was capable of this.

And even if they thought he was a lunatic, what then? He (apparently) didn’t have a record. Besides, he was already investigated, twice. He had no meaningful connections to other radicals and again, no record.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:59:16am

re: #325 Timothy Watson

I could buy all those in a single day at a gunshow here in Virginia and no one pay a second mind to it.

All you gotta be is 18 right?

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:00:05am

re: #322 HappyWarrior

The NRA/GOP has blood on their hands for their refusal to consider any compromise on guns as far as I’m concerned.

Remember, to them mass shootings are a feature, not a bug. They are great advertisements for the weapons the killers use, and sales spike after every massacre.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:00:10am

re: #326 SoundGuy 2016

Note: Mateen’s parents were from Afghanistan. ISIS doesn’t exist in Afghanistan. His father’s support and politics seemed more nationalist based than religious.

The Taliban are the local extremists in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

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Franklin  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:00:11am

re: #328 HappyWarrior

All you gotta be is 18 right?

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!!!!1111

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:00:14am

re: #326 SoundGuy 2016

Note: Mateen’s parents were from Afghanistan. ISIS doesn’t exist in Afghanistan. His father’s support and politics seemed more nationalist based than religious.

He is a Muslim, and we all know that they are all secret ISIS supporters or sympathizers…

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Timothy Watson  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:00:38am

re: #328 HappyWarrior

All you gotta be is 18 right?

21 for the handgun, but yes essentially.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:01:13am

Meanwhile, here in the Czech Republic, politicians from across the spectrum, left to right, are deeply worried about the possibility that the UK may very well vote to leave the EU on June 23rd. And it’s not just politicians…..many of my students, most of whom are employed in the business/financial/industrial sectors, are deeply worried about it as well.

Czech politicians from parties across the political spectrum support Britain’s remaining in the EU and believe that its departure would harm the EU as well as Czech citizens in Britain, a survey CTK conducted ahead of the British June 23 referendum has shown.

Czech politicians also fear a possible further splitting of the EU and the emergence of similar referendums in other countries.

Ivan Gabal, sociologist and lawmaker for the Christian Democrats (KDU-CSL), said the idea of joint and integrated Europe would undoubtedly suffer a heavy defeat by Britain’s departure.

He mentioned the danger of Brexit provoking similar referendums in other countries.

“I consider this an immense risk. The domino effect and infection work already now,” Gabal said.

Foreign Minister Lubomir Zaoralek (CSSD), too, is afraid of a fragmentation of Europe.

“The biggest danger is the emergence of groups of countries standing against each other in Europe or possible games that individual big powers would play against each other,” Zaoralek told CTK.

Former foreign minister Karel Schwarzenberg (TOP 09) said Brexit would lead to the weakening of the Czech Republic’s position in Europe and would have negative economic consequences.

praguemonitor.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:01:58am

re: #333 Timothy Watson

21 for the handgun, but yes essentially.

Yeah I thought so. One thing that annoys me is when people act like D.C’s strict gun laws are the cause of D.C’s high gun death rates. It’s like they have no concept of the fact you can easily get to Va from Washington.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:02:58am

re: #335 HappyWarrior

Yeah I thought so. One thing that annoys me is when people act like D.C’s strict gun laws are the cause of D.C’s high gun death rates. It’s like they have no concept of the fact you can easily get to Va from Washington.

And Virginia got rid of the one-handgun-a-month law a couple years ago too.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:03:13am

re: #334 Dr Lizardo

Meanwhile, here in the Czech Republic, politicians from across the spectrum, left to right, are deeply worried about the possibility that the UK may very well vote to leave the EU on June 23rd. And it’s not just politicians…..many of my students, most of whom are employed in the business/financial/industrial sectors, are deeply worried about it as well.

praguemonitor.com

My kids were born British citizens (their mother is from Scotland) and would no longer be full-fledged Europeans if the UK bolts from the pack.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:03:50am

And if I buy the firearms from a private dealer, which sellers advertise as being at gunshows, there’s no background check and there’s no record.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:03:54am

Ban them. Make them illegal. Make 30 round clips illegal. This is insanity.

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iossarian  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:03:56am

re: #324 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If you want to defend yourself and your family at home, then that is still your right.

Keeping a gun at home just makes it more likely that someone in your family will be shot, accidentally or deliberately.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:04:20am

re: #336 Timothy Watson

And Virginia got rid of the one-handgun-a-month law a couple years ago too.

Yet Obama and McAulliffe are coming for your gunz. I think that’s the most maddening part of all about it. It’s how these gun orgs use fear to drive up the presence of guns in our population.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:04:44am

re: #338 Timothy Watson

And if I buy the firearms from a private dealer, which sellers advertise as being at gunshows, there’s no background check and there’s no record.

The so called gun show loophole right?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:04:52am

re: #340 iossarian

Keeping a gun at home just makes it more likely that someone in your family will be shot, accidentally or deliberately.

I agree, but that is a decision for each household to make for itself.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:06:02am

Welp, my Facebook friends list just got weeded out some more. I’m also having a party the first weekend in July, and had to uninvite some people from that. I AM DONE WITH THESE FUCKING ASSHOLES. They aren’t welcome in my home anymore. The Husband is not pleased, because some of his friends are on my shit list too, oh fucking well. I won’t let hate infiltrate OUR SANCTUARY. Our home. The first motherfucker who runs their yap at this party gets me pulling them by an ear to the gate. Done with it, DONE.

My son went on Facebook this morning decrying homophobia and taking no shit either. Enough with the violence and solving every goddamned problem with buying and using guns. This has to stop.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:06:05am

re: #334 Dr Lizardo

Meanwhile, here in the Czech Republic, politicians from across the spectrum, left to right, are deeply worried about the possibility that the UK may very well vote to leave the EU on June 23rd. And it’s not just politicians…..many of my students, most of whom are employed in the business/financial/industrial sectors, are deeply worried about it as well.

praguemonitor.com

They are right to be worried. The polling is a dead heat. And the Orlando attack isn’t going to help EU supporters.

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KGxvi  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:07:25am

re: #55 Kragar

SHUSH!

Sorry, wasn’t trying to be spoilery with that comment. It’s something I’ve actually noticed a lot lately with shows. It seems like there’s a trend on shows that the season finale is as much about setting up the next season as it is resolving the storylines from the current season. Not necessarily a bad thing, mind you, but kind of annoying when there’s no guarantee that the next season is going to be made.

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iossarian  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:08:04am

re: #343 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I agree, but that is a decision for each household to make for itself.

I disagree. In fact, I disagree on two levels:

1) children and spouses have a right not to have some nutter decide to keep weapons at home, thereby making them fundamentally less safe

2) this American individualism (“I get to decide what I do on my property”) underlies a lot of the wider bullshit in our public life; it’s about time Americans grew the fuck up and accepted that you have to pay attention to whether the things you do inconvenience others

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:08:32am

re: #344 A Mom Anon

Welp, my Facebook friends list just got weeded out some more. I’m also having a party the first weekend in July, and had to uninvite some people from that. I AM DONE WITH THESE FUCKING ASSHOLES.

FB is for posting pictures of kids and pets, jokes and cartoons, and letting us know where you are hanging out and with whom.

There are plenty of political blogs out there to vent your venom,

People who abuse FB for that purpose also get bumped from my feed.

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Franklin  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:08:48am

re: #344 A Mom Anon

Sorry you have to deal with it. I simply deleted my facebook a while ago for similar reasons. But that is far easier to do than uninviting from an upcoming party. Hope all goes smooth and that your husband understands.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:08:55am

re: #299 FormerDirtDart

He was quoted as saying he was looking for a friend. I’m guessing it’s some “romantic” thing.

“If I can’t have you, nobody else can.” and anyone else in the way just wouldn’t matter.

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(insert sarc tag here)  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:09:13am

re: #339 SoundGuy 2016

Ban them. Make them illegal. Make 30 round clips illegal. This is insanity.

Oh you HAVE to have 30 round mags for deer hunting. Them fuckers don’t go down without at least half a clip in them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:09:58am

re: #347 iossarian

I disagree. In fact, I disagree on two levels:

1) children and spouses have a right not to have some nutter decide to keep weapons at home, thereby making them fundamentally less safe

2) this American individualism (“I get to decide what I do on my property”) underlies a lot of the wider bullshit in our public life; it’s about time Americans grew the fuck up and accepted that you have to pay attention to whether the things you do inconvenience others

I agree that guns do not necessarily make things safer, but current law leaves this decision to the head(s) of the household.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:10:35am

re: #351 nines09

Oh you HAVE to have 30 round mags for deer hunting. Them fuckers don’t go down without at least half a clip in them.

And what if you have a Deer Home Invasion?

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Timothy Watson  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:10:46am

re: #342 HappyWarrior

The so called gun show loophole right?

Yep, since they’re considered private dealers they’re not required to do a background check (admittedly, the same thing applies to pretty much anyone who doesn’t have a FFL (federal firearms license) regardless of the point of sale).

But when you sell a firearm to a family member or post an ad in the newspaper or your employer’s bulletin board, you’re not advertising the fact that no background check is required as most of the private sellers at gunshows do.

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:11:04am

re: #351 nines09

Oh you HAVE to have 30 round mags for deer hunting. Them fuckers don’t go down without at least half a clip in them.

The armor on some of the new deer would make Colossus jealous.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:11:20am

re: #348 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

FB is for posting pictures of kids and pets, jokes and cartoons, and letting us know where you are hanging out and with whom.

There are plenty of political blogs out there to vent your venom,

People who abuse FB for that purpose also get bumped from my feed.

I have wingnut relatives so I just slide past the political crap. But I recently blocked a couple of people who shared a racist joke.

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iossarian  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:12:34am

re: #352 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I agree that guns do not necessarily make things safer, but current law leaves this decision to the head(s) of the household.

I see what you mean. I don’t mean to argue, anyway.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:12:44am

re: #354 Timothy Watson

Yep, since they’re considered private dealers they’re not required to do a background check (admittedly, the same thing applies to pretty much anyone who doesn’t have a FFL (federal firearms license) regardless of the point of sale).

But when you sell a firearm to a family member or post an ad in the newspaper or your employer’s bulletin board, you’re not advertising the fact that no background check is required as most of the private sellers at gunshows do.

It definitely does need to be changed. So much does.

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(insert sarc tag here)  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:13:13am

re: #353 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And what if you have a Deer Home Invasion?

You are shit out of luck because you are a responsible firearms owner and they are all in a safe with the key hidden away in another safe.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:13:23am

re: #326 SoundGuy 2016

Note: Mateen’s parents were from Afghanistan. ISIS doesn’t exist in Afghanistan. His father’s support and politics seemed more nationalist based than religious.

You can take the man out of the tribal-nationalism, but you can’t take the tribal-nationalism out of the man. Or something like that.

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:13:41am

re: #348 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

FB is for posting pictures of kids and pets, jokes and cartoons, and letting us know where you are hanging out and with whom.

There are plenty of political blogs out there to vent your venom,

People who abuse FB for that purpose also get bumped from my feed.

I know we like to think that’s true. Just like we like to think that Twitter is for telling people where you are.

But wishing it were that way doesn’t make it true.

When I was a kid, Christmas was the day my mom and her brother used each year to yell at each other, because they avoided each other the other 364 days.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:13:48am

re: #347 iossarian

Amen. My asshole neighbors have decided to sell their whole family “compound” to developers over a year ago and never told us. Sure it’s their property (which they made clear when I confronted them), but we’re the ones who will have to live with the 6 houses over there being raised to the ground, all the trees removed and living in a construction zone for 2 years. But you know, their family is the only one that matters because it’s a big extended family and we’re just 3 people in one house. I have news for these assholes, we’re going to fight like hell to be either included in this deal or to stop it before it makes the first zoning variance hearing. They are not ready for me. This rugged individual bullshit is just that, BULLSHIT. No one makes it alone, NO ONE. I’m sick of this lack of community. I want out of the South, the whole “southern hospitality” thing is a crock of shit.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:14:35am
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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:14:50am

re: #361 Belafon

I know we like to think that’s true. Just like we like to think that Twitter is for telling people where you are.

But wishing it were that way doesn’t make it true.

When I was a kid, Christmas was the day my mom and her brother used each year to yell at each other, because they avoided each other the other 364 days.

Beautiful childhood memories of Christmas./

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:15:30am

re: #361 Belafon

I know we like to think that’s true. Just like we like to think that Twitter is for telling people where you are.

But wishing it were that way doesn’t make it true.

When I was a kid, Christmas was the day my mom and her brother used each year to yell at each other, because they avoided each other the other 364 days.

I have never Tweeted and do not plan to unless it somehow becomes vital for my work. And I recently found an old high school buddy of mine of FB, had a good look at all the pro-gun and anti-Obama postings on his timeline, and decided not to contact him…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:16:43am

re: #363 FormerDirtDart

Pro tip:
Struggling to come to terms? OK.
Thinking of starting by saying “Not a fan of the gays, but…”? Not OK.

This is a unique way to paraphrase “the only good gay is a dead gay”…

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:17:09am

re: #324 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If you want to defend yourself and your family at home, then that is still your right. But the skills set necessary to defend yourself and others in a public live-shooter setting (nerves of steel, good situational awareness, years of training/experience) is not something you can buy over the counter at the local sporting goods store…

LEOs require regular training to deal with active shooter situations. In fact, beat cops don’t have that kind of training, which is far more intensive than the regular training cops receive. That’s why when there’s a situation like this, the LEOs call in SWAT/ESU units, since they’re trained to deal with this specifically.

For anyone to think that a bunch of people with guns and varying states of proficiency would suddenly stop an active shooter in a dimly lit and close quarters where many of those involved are inebriated or otherwise have reduced judgment/motor skills due to alcohol consumption is just fucking fantasyland.

No, what’d you end up with is a bunch of people shot and killed in the crossfire and it would take even long for LEOs to clear and make safe the scene to allow EMTs to help save the lives of those inside.

And for all we know, even the LEOs in the course of trying to save lives, may have accidentally shot and injured those being held against their will. Because no matter how well trained or how good the LEOs are, there’s always the possibility that rounds will end up hitting those around the shooter.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:17:26am

SMOTI is gay? Heh.

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(insert sarc tag here)  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:17:39am

re: #364 Big Beautiful Door

Beautiful childhood memories of Christmas./

I had friends who said Christmas gatherings at their houses were like someone opened up the front door and drop kicked a hornets nest into the house.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:18:32am

re: #317 FormerDirtDart

Yes, the answer is obviously random drunk person(s) with a firearm, in a distraction heavy environment…

Trump on CNN this a.m.: “If you had some guns in that club the night that this took place…you wouldn’t have had the tragedy that you had.”
— Jose A. DelReal (@jdelreal) June 13, 2016

If we live in a world where citizens need to carry a firearm to a dance club, then society has failed and we might as well close shop.

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Alephnaught  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:18:53am

re: #345 Big Beautiful Door

They are right to be worried. The polling is a dead heat. And the Orlando attack isn’t going to help EU supporters.

If break it down by region, you’ll see it’s only a dead heat because one region wants to remain by hefty margin- Scotland. That could spell trouble for the Union of Parliaments if Leave wins.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:19:22am

re: #368 SoundGuy 2016

SMOTI is gay? Heh.

I saw that Dan Riehl tweeted that just now. smh

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:19:33am

re: #345 Big Beautiful Door

They are right to be worried. The polling is a dead heat. And the Orlando attack isn’t going to help EU supporters.

I quite agree. The polling as of late is basically tied, and worryingly, the momentum seems to be moving in the direction of a “Brexit”.

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Lidane  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:19:49am

re: #356 Big Beautiful Door

I have wingnut relatives so I just slide past the political crap. But I recently blocked a couple of people who shared a racist joke.

I finally unfriended an acquaintance of mine after she went on a rampage calling for ALL Muslims to be rounded up and deported after Orlando, and saying that the US needed to stop “cucking around” and take care of “its own people”. I didn’t leave her a message or anything. I just quietly unfriended her and that was it.

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:20:17am

re: #369 nines09

I had friends who said Christmas gatherings at their houses were like someone opened up the front door and drop kicked a hornets nest into the house.

We watched Krampus over the weekend with my parents, and my parents and I were basically like “that’s about right” with the way the two families interacted at the beginning.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:21:09am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:22:02am

re: #376 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They are meaningless. They only have meaning for wingnut assholes like Trump who need to hear the words to think that only Muslims are capable of violence in the name of an ideology.

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KGxvi  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:22:04am

Ok, just came across this on my FB feed…

Apparently a LGBT ground in Phoenix has twitter endorsed Trump (Redstate, of course, posts how the entire Phoenix LGBT community now supports Trump).

But if you check the twitter feed of said group, they’ve got 5 whole posts. And the link in their bio goes to the LGBT Foundation, who… wait for it… have a different twitter handle on their home page.

Oh, and the kicker is if you actually look at the twitter handle for this Phoenix group, the handle is igbtphoenix (only they used a capital “I” so it looks like lgbt).

Whoever said twitter is a dumpster fire on a nuclear waste dump up above was absolutely right. Also:

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:22:17am

OK. It’s time for me to call it a night. Hope tomorrow is a brighter day.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:22:39am

CNN must be quoting him verbatim again.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:23:08am

Well, that’s a twist that only makes his actions/statements even more perplexing.

Hoft thinks that the GOP, which actively abhors the LGBT community, is accepting of people like him?

Guess this explains his support of Trump though - Trump isn’t actively homophobic to the extent that Cruz and Rubio and the others are.

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:23:39am

re: #378 KGxvi

I saw some people say it was set up by the Trump campaign, though I don’t know if that was verified.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:23:43am

re: #380 Backwoods_Sleuth

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CNN must be quoting him verbatim again.

I take it he’s getting some much deserved pushback for how gleeful he seemed to be yesterday about having been “proven” right.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:24:35am

re: #381 lawhawk

Well, that’s a twist that only makes his actions/statements even more perplexing.

Hoft thinks that the GOP, which actively abhors the LGBT community, is accepting of people like him?

Guess this explains his support of Trump though - Trump isn’t actively homophobic to the extent that Cruz and Rubio and the others are.

Haven’t ordinarily thought of Dim Jim’s site as being particularly friendly to LGBT folks.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:24:40am

re: #334 Dr Lizardo

My thought on the subject is that Britain is looking for the fate of all small nations suffer in a ‘global economy’: irrelevancy.

Europe is big enough that it can put rules into effect that limit the power of large corporations and the damage those corporations can do to an economy. The US is large enough to do that. (It rarely does because few of its elites see a problem with being owned or are in favour of a ‘global economy’.) Russia is large enough. China is large enough.

Britain is not. Canada is not. Mexico is not. Even Japan isn’t anymore.

If Britain leaves the EU any attempt to reduce the power of the ‘global economy’, that is the power of multinational corporations, in the future will fail. The ‘global economy’ will seize the local economy by the balls and squeeze until the nation involved surrenders and brings back whatever retrograde economic policy the ‘global economy’ wants.

Union rights? No way. Environmental protection? Unprofitable. Public healthcare? Ask us if we care. Elections? Only if we can buy them.

If Britain wants to end up a 2nd or 3rd World nation that’s their decision. If they think being British and helpless is better than European and less so let them.

I believe they’ll be regretting the decision within a decade.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:24:42am

re: #356 Big Beautiful Door

I have wingnut relatives so I just slide past the political crap. But I recently blocked a couple of people who shared a racist joke.

I ended up blocking the sites my wingnut cousin posts. That cleaned up my feed A LOT, and I still get to see life events and posts that DON’T raise my hackles. This morning he posted a pic of a 1957 Chevy, lightly hotrodded, with ‘Like and Share if you’d rather have this than a Ferrari’.

So I liked it, but said I’d rather have this…

This of course led to good natured banter of the ‘Mopar or No Car’ variety.

Personally, I’m gonna continue to post political things, because my family mostly agree and that’s kinda what we do. And I’ll leave scathing comments on wingnut political posts that DO get through.

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(insert sarc tag here)  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:24:54am

re: #375 Belafon

They say blood is thicker than water. I say cinderblocks drown us all. I had to basically just stop talking to and being near parts of my family. It was pure self preservation and protection of my immediate family. It worked. They died, and the hate withered. I now am like a friend of a friend to a few, not considered “family” except by title of “uncle” or “cousin” who is distant. All………………………………….the…………………………way………………………………………over…………………………………………..here………………………………………. Where I like it.

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iossarian  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:25:10am

re: #381 lawhawk

Haha what a fucking tool.

In 2015 a conservative Supreme Court granted gays the right to marry.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:25:28am

re: #367 lawhawk

LEOs require regular training to deal with active shooter situations. In fact, beat cops don’t have that kind of training, which is far more intensive than the regular training cops receive. That’s why when there’s a situation like this, the LEOs call in SWAT/ESU units, since they’re trained to deal with this specifically.

Actually, nowadays, if someone is shooting, police go in regardless of their level of training or equipment.

If there’s a hostage situation, they wait for SWAT/ESU, but since Columbine, standard police practice is to enter a building and try to stop a shooter if they’re still firing.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:25:48am

re: #381 lawhawk

Well, that’s a twist that only makes his actions/statements even more perplexing.

Hoft thinks that the GOP, which actively abhors the LGBT community, is accepting of people like him?

Guess this explains his support of Trump though - Trump isn’t actively homophobic to the extent that Cruz and Rubio and the others are.

I wonder what he had to say about the SCOTUS legalizing SSM decision last year?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:26:13am

re: #388 iossarian

Haha what a fucking tool.

The most conservative judge to rule in favor of gay marriage was Kennedy.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:26:17am

re: #346 KGxvi

Sorry, wasn’t trying to be spoilery with that comment. It’s something I’ve actually noticed a lot lately with shows. It seems like there’s a trend on shows that the season finale is as much about setting up the next season as it is resolving the storylines from the current season. Not necessarily a bad thing, mind you, but kind of annoying when there’s no guarantee that the next season is going to be made.

I remember that problem from Babylon 5. Great show but I never knew if the next show would be made, never mind next season.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:26:22am

re: #382 Belafon

That claim was going around Twitter yesterday.

It’s very odd that some LGBT groups would suddenly show up on day of Orlando attacks with no prior online presence and come out with support of Trump.

It could be astroturfing. Or it it could be legit.

It looks more and more like astroturfing based on the lack of prior presence.

After all, Trump’s the same guy who claims 40% of African Americans support him based on a poll with a sample size of 10, 4 of which supported him.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:26:29am

re: #388 iossarian

Haha what a fucking tool.

My head is spinning….

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:26:58am

re: #372 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I saw that Dan Riehl tweeted that just now. smh

He links to a tweet from Milo:

No comment about conservatism’s problem with gayness, the legislation, the religious based homophobia of the American Right.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:27:42am

speaking of assholes:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:27:59am

re: #395 SoundGuy 2016

He links to a tweet from Milo:

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No comment about conservatism’s problem with gayness, the legislation, the religious based homophobia of the American Right.

No kidding. And Hoft by the way gay or not was happy to engage in the scapegoating of transgendered Americans as well.

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:28:39am

re: #395 SoundGuy 2016

He links to a tweet from Milo:

No comment about conservatism’s problem with gayness, the legislation, the religious based homophobia of the American Right.

I’m not gay, but I’m pretty sure “Let’s pray the gay away” is much scarier.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:28:52am

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

speaking of assholes:

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Uh that’s because it was Erick. He specifically chose a gay nightclub because he was bothered by gay people. He didn’t attack a sports bar, he didn’t attack a Trump rally, he attacked a gay nightclub.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:28:55am

re: #376 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Dr. Matt  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:28:58am

A “gay conservative” IS the definition of a low-information voter.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:29:04am

re: #398 Belafon

I’m not gay, but I’m pretty sure “Let’s pray the gay away” is much scarier.

Family values.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:29:06am

re: #384 Sir John Barron

The GOP and right wing aren’t.

There have been some posts going back years, where he posted about gays in the Middle East being singled out for retribution, but that’s about it.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see an exodus from the GP site plus uptick in outrage against Hoft personally by the right wing homophobes that inhabit the place. And his own bigotry continues to know no bounds.

Bigots come in all stripes and colors and gender preferences.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:29:24am

re: #388 iossarian

Haha what a fucking tool.

Liberals have always hated gays and been against SSM.

Conservatives have always loved gays and supported SSM. So gays should come home to conservative party that supports them.

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iossarian  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:29:39am

These right-wing fuckers really cannot handle the fact that they have to choose between condemning a Muslim or hating on gay folk.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:29:56am

re: #385 Romantic Heretic

My thought on the subject is that Britain is looking for the fate of all small nations suffer in a ‘global economy’: irrelevancy.

Europe is big enough that it can put rules into effect that limit the power of large corporations and the damage those corporations can do to an economy. The US is large enough to do that. (It rarely does because few of its elites see a problem with being owned or are in favour of a ‘global economy’.) Russia is large enough. China is large enough.

Britain is not. Canada is not. Mexico is not. Even Japan isn’t anymore.

If Britain leaves the EU any attempt to reduce the power of the ‘global economy’, that is the power of multinational corporations, in the future will fail. The ‘global economy’ will seize the local economy by the balls and squeeze until the nation involved surrenders and brings back whatever retrograde economic policy the ‘global economy’ wants.

Union rights? No way. Environmental protection? Unprofitable. Public healthcare? Ask us if we care. Elections? Only if we can buy them.

If Britain wants to end up a 2nd or 3rd World nation that’s their decision. If they think being British and helpless is better than European and less so let them.

I believe they’ll be regretting the decision within a decade.

The one thing about that is the terrible Tea Party like obsession in the EU with fiscal austerity has imposed Depressions on many EU countries, especially Greece, with extremely high unemployment. Iceland, which doesn’t use the Euro, could devalue its currency and its economy bounced back quickly. The UK, of course, kept the Pound, so its not a problem for them either.

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sagehen  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:29:59am

re: #370 Dr. Matt

If we live in a world where citizens need to carry a firearm to a dance club, then society has failed and we might as well close shop.

As a veteran of the 1980’s NYC hip-hop/club scene, let me just tell you — allowing guns in the room? Never ends well.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:30:35am

A conservative Supreme Court confirmed Obamacare’s Constitutionality. Twice. Conservatives have always loved Obamacare and healthcare for people.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:30:38am

re: #404 Sir John Barron

Liberals have always hated gays and been against SSM.

Conservatives have always loved gays and supported SSM. So gays should come home to conservative party that supports them.

I hate to pull a Trump but I thought this sort of thing would happen. I didn’t think after a mass killing like this but I thought after time had passed like with Civil Rights for African Americans and conservatives would be stupid enough to think that people forgot. Turns out they’re even more dishonestly stupid than I thought.

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Tigger2  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:30:43am

re: #265 Backwoods_Sleuth

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(insert sarc tag here)  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:31:07am

re: #395 SoundGuy 2016

He links to a tweet from Milo:

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No comment about conservatism’s problem with gayness, the legislation, the religious based homophobia of the American Right.

I think the words “And The President Of The United States………Rubio…..Cruz…..Huckabee….Jindal…….Fiorina…….Carson……..are more scary.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:31:33am

re: #408 Sir John Barron

A conservative Supreme Court confirmed Obamacare’s Constitutionality. Twice. Conservatives have always loved Obamacare and healthcare for people.

That one will come eventually too. 50 years from now they’ll claim Obama was a conservative. Don’t believe me? Look at Ted Cruz claiming JFK as one of their own.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:32:20am

re: #399 HappyWarrior

Uh that’s because it was Erick. He specifically chose a gay nightclub because he was bothered by gay people. He didn’t attack a sports bar, he didn’t attack a Trump rally, he attacked a gay nightclub.

He was not “attacking us all”. He was targeting a specific group.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:32:32am

re: #413 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He was not “attacking us all”. He was targeting a specific group.

Exactly.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:32:36am

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

speaking of assholes:

Liberal Dems who love gays are always being divisive. Like Obama. Read my new website where I talk about abortion doctor murderers and gays trying to take over the U.S. and how liberals are terrible.

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iossarian  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:32:56am

re: #407 sagehen

As a veteran of the 1980’s NYC hip-hop/club scene, let me just tell you — allowing guns in the room? Never ends well.

I used to go clubbing quite a bit. I cannot imagine doing it if I thought people had guns.

You have to wonder if the “guns in clubs” people ever actually went to a club.

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Lidane  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:33:05am

re: #401 Dr. Matt

A “gay conservative” IS the definition of a low-information voter.

No, they’re the definition of a selfish asshole. They’re the very definition of “fuck you, I got mine”, since they’re voting Republican to lower their taxes.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:33:42am

re: #416 iossarian

I used to go clubbing quite a bit. I cannot imagine doing it if I thought people had guns.

You have to wonder if the “guns in clubs” people ever actually went to a club.

or an university classroom, or a bar, or you get the point.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:33:42am

re: #410 Tigger2

@TPM So he wants to go back and be a fucking do nothing again.
— jim

Yes, and also the other job offers were not in line with his expectations.

/

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Lidane  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:33:53am

No shit:

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Lidane  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:34:45am

*facepalm*

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Dr. Matt  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:34:58am

Orlando: AR-15
Aurora: AR-15
Sandy Hook: AR-15
San Bernardino: AR-15
Umpqua Community College: AR-15

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(insert sarc tag here)  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:35:10am

re: #420 Lidane

No shit:

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Trump is perfectly sane. Rational. And would burn the world down to hold the ashes.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:35:36am

re: #421 Lidane

*facepalm*

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Somehow I doubt Donald is aware or cares that he and the shooter have the same place of birth.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:35:44am

So taking guns away will do nothing to stop shootings. But saying ‘islamic terrorism’ will.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:36:23am

What I’m seeing this morning about Mateen is his wife saying he was bipolar and violent, so much so that she left him after 4 months. His coworkers said he was homophobic and racist, but the security company he worked for did nothing about it. And his father said he got very angry when he saw two men kissing. He was trained and employed as an armed security guard, but of course, the training works both ways - offense and defense.

Sounds to me like yet another ticking time bomb, probably with little or no contact with ISIS. Stochastic terrorism, and ISIS gets to take the credit, and Islam gets the blame.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:36:44am

re: #425 SoundGuy 2016

So taking guns away will do nothing to stop shootings. But saying ‘islamic terrorism’ will.

True fact: The Navy SEALS said Islamic Terrorism when they spotted Bin Laden and he melted like the Wicked Witch. That’s the real reason why there were no causalities in the Abbottbad raid.

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KGxvi  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:37:12am

re: #381 lawhawk

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Well, that’s a twist that only makes his actions/statements even more perplexing.

Hoft thinks that the GOP, which actively abhors the LGBT community, is accepting of people like him?

Guess this explains his support of Trump though - Trump isn’t actively homophobic to the extent that Cruz and Rubio and the others are.

It’s going to turn out that the SMOTI was a work. Of course, that assumes he doesn’t end up like the old timer wrestlers who never stop working.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:37:28am

re: #417 Lidane

No, they’re the definition of a selfish asshole. They’re the very definition of “fuck you, I got mine”, since they’re voting Republican to lower their taxes.

Keep in mind, gays tend to be better educated and have a lot more disposable income than their hetero counterparts (because they do not have their education and careers sidetracked by raising a family) and since they do not have the dependents’ deductions or mortgages on houses in a neighborhood with good schools to write off, often find themselves in a higher tax bracket.

If the GOP were not so “family values” oriented (i.e., homophobic) they could be enjoying a lot more support from gays.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:37:29am

re: #413 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He was not “attacking us all”. He was targeting a specific group.

Yeah, but this way it’s all about Islam, not homophobia. He drove 100 miles from home to get there, so saying he didn’t target gays specifically seems like bullshit.

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:37:56am

re: #422 Dr. Matt

Orlando: AR-15
Aurora: AR-15
Sandy Hook: AR-15
San Bernardino: AR-15
Umpqua Community College: AR-15

“Look at our new weapon, the not-AR-15! It’s made for those who don’t want to be associated with mass killings. The not-AR-15 has the same feel and operation as the AR-15, but comes with less stigma. Order now.”

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Ming5000  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:37:58am

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

Demands for an offset elsewhere in the non-defense budget is what’s up.

I am just saying that the American people are looking for common sense solutions and the typical GOP inside-the-beltway obstruction is unacceptable.
People before Moseys!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:38:30am

re: #430 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, but this way it’s all about Islam, not homophobia. He drove 100 miles from home to get there, so saying he didn’t target gays specifically seems like bullshit.

Yeah it’s not like he went to an area with a ton of people in his hometown. He drove 100 miles to get there. He knew who he was targetting and why.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:38:49am

Opinion by Thomas.
Sotomayor dissenting joined by Ginsburg.
Alito did not take part in the discussions or decision.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:39:04am

re: #430 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, but this way it’s all about Islam, not homophobia. He drove 100 miles from home to get there, so saying he didn’t target gays specifically seems like bullshit.

The narrative reads “Islamic Terror is a threat to our American values!”, and that is what they are trumpeting so loud that it drowns out all other discussion.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:39:08am

SMOTI: After the Pulse Club Massacre, It’s Time for Gays to Come Home to Republican Party

HOME??! LOL Yes, DimJim is a low-information voter.

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:40:10am

re: #436 Dr. Matt

SMOTI: After the Pulse Club Massacre, It’s Time for Gays to Come Home to Republican Party

HOME??! LOL Yes, DimJim is a low-information voter.

Jim should try to get a Pro-Gay plank onto the Republican party platform.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:41:28am

re: #436 Dr. Matt

SMOTI: After the Pulse Club Massacre, It’s Time for Gays to Come Home to Republican Party

HOME??! LOL Yes, DimJim is a low-information voter.

Yeah forget about the all the scapegoating of gays that the Republicans have done over years including Obama administration. It’s time for them to “return” to a party of the president that made AIDS jokes during the early years of AIDS, the party of the President that used fear of gay marriage to get re-elected, and the party of people who attend speeches by pastors who want and fund support for executing gay people. I don’t care if Hoft is gay and I’m not, he’s part of a homophobic party.

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Lidane  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:41:41am

re: #429 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Keep in mind, gays tend to be better educated and have a lot more disposable income than their hetero counterparts (because they do not have their education and careers sidetracked by raising a family) and since they do not have the dependents’ deductions or mortgages on houses in a neighborhood with good schools to write off, often find themselves in a higher tax bracket.

If the GOP were not so “family values” oriented (i.e., homophobic) they could be enjoying a lot more support from gays.

Sure. I get that. But the fact is that gay Republicans are voting for a party that openly hates them just so they pay lower taxes. That’s the definition of a selfish asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:42:08am

re: #437 Belafon

Jim should try to get a Pro-Gay plank onto the Republican party platform.

Or ask to advance pro gay rights issues at CPAC. Oh wait, that ended so well.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:42:50am

re: #438 HappyWarrior

Yeah forget about the all the scapegoating of gays that the Republicans have done over years including Obama administration. It’s time for them to “return” to a party of the president that made AIDS jokes during the early years of AIDS, the party of the President that used fear of gay marriage to get re-elected, and the party of people who attend speeches by pastors who want and fund support for executing gay people. I don’t care if Hoft is gay and I’m not, he’s part of a homophobic party.

Dim Jim is even more dense than I thought.

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KGxvi  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:43:56am

re: #434 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sotomayor dissenting joined by Ginsburg.
Alito did not take part in the discussions or decision.

This debt crisis is going to end the statehood debate in Puerto Rico one way or the other - the status quo can’t last, it’s either statehood or independence. Those are the only ways Puerto Rico can rightly exercise sovereignty.

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:44:03am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:44:07am

re: #441 Sir John Barron

Dim Jim is even more dense than I thought.

I didn’t think it was possible either. I mean there’s nothing wrong with being gay and not being left of center on every issue but there is something IMO with being part of a party and ideology that is vehemently anti-gay.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:44:30am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:44:49am

re: #439 Lidane

Sure. I get that. But the fact is that gay Republicans are voting for a party that openly hates them just so they pay lower taxes. That’s the definition of a selfish asshole.

Yes, and the GOP is pissing on a group that might otherwise support them.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:45:08am

re: #443 jaunte

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Really Geraldo fuck you, you haven’t been in that type of situation. You have no place at all to shame these people at all for “not fighting back.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:45:19am

re: #436 Dr. Matt

SMOTI: After the Pulse Club Massacre, It’s Time for Gays to Come Home to Republican Party

HOME??! LOL Yes, DimJim is a low-information voter.

Because they’re so welcome there. It’d be like going home to the family that quotes Leviticus at you, or looks at you funny when you hug your nephews and nieces, or gives you pamplets on Praying Away The Gay, or won’t let you bring your partner or spouse to family gatherings, because, you know, we don’t want to upset anyone.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:45:28am

Of course there will be calls for the US to take greater steps at disrupting sites with extremist information on the internet.
But, those calls won’t take in consideration that those very same sites are the governments source for intelligence…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:45:39am

re: #439 Lidane

Sure. I get that. But the fact is that gay Republicans are voting for a party that openly hates them just so they pay lower taxes. That’s the definition of a selfish asshole.

Yes, and the GOP is pissing on a group that might otherwise support them.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:46:11am
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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:46:44am

re: #449 FormerDirtDart

Of course there will be calls the US to take greater steps at disrupting sites with extremist information on the internet.
But, those calls won’t take in consideration that those very same sites are the governments source for intelligence…

That would pretty much describe the Planned Parenthood shooter, the abortion doctor killers, and the Tea Party.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:47:25am

re: #452 Charles Johnson

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He knew what made his readers happy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:47:34am

re: #452 Charles Johnson

Jim Hoft comes out. This makes his years of rabid anti-gay rhetoric & association with homophobic hate groups a little, uh, perplexing.

It answers my question: “What would his girlfriend possibly be like?”

I have a former college buddy who came out at one point but is still a total GOP fan.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:47:44am

re: #444 HappyWarrior

I didn’t think it was possible either. I mean there’s nothing wrong with being gay and not being left of center on every issue but there is something IMO with being part of a party and ideology that is vehemently anti-gay.

Yeah, and it’s not that DimJim isn’t left on center on some issues despite being gay—it’s that he’s been a leading wingnut spokesperson in the RWNJ culture war.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:47:49am

re: #451 Dr. Matt

Ugh

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Yeah but we can’t ban those weapons or something.

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:48:03am

Trump campaign reacts to shootings by dialing up the insanity.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:48:35am

re: #458 jaunte

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Trump campaign reacts to shootings by dialing up the insanity.

It will soon become a self-reinforcing cycle…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:49:09am

re: #456 Sir John Barron

Yeah, and it’s not that DimJim isn’t left on center on some issues despite being gay—it’s that he’s been a leading wingnut spokesperson in the RWNJ culture war.

Right. And he continues to refer to transgendered women as “men in skirts.” He’s free to be miserable as a gay man in an ideology that thinks he doesn’t deserve civil rights under the law and even people who think he’s demonically possessed.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:49:48am

re: #459 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It will soon become a self-reinforcing cycle…

Soon to be after Grover Norquist’s wife again.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:49:56am

re: #458 jaunte

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Trump campaign reacts to shootings by dialing up the insanity.

Jesus.

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iossarian  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:50:26am

re: #458 jaunte

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Trump campaign reacts to shootings by dialing up the insanity.

I think Huma Abedin has strong potential in this election season to overtake Jimmy Carter on the wingnut flip-out-ometer reading, leaving only Jane Fonda between her and an undisputed position at the top of the irrational spittle-flecked rage standings.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:50:54am

re: #452 Charles Johnson

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I can’t quite grasp the idea of gays who stick with the GOP. Sure, maybe you’re a Free Marketeer who wants more and bigger wars against the swarthy foreigners, but for cripes sake, the GOP makes if crystal fucking clear they don’t think you deserve equal rights. You’re not a one-issue voter, fine. But that one issue is whether you’re a human being or not.

Ah, well. Can’t live in anyone else’s head. Don’t want to.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:52:09am

re: #460 HappyWarrior

Right. And he continues to refer to transgendered women as “men in skirts.” He’s free to be miserable as a gay man in an ideology that thinks he doesn’t deserve civil rights under the law and even people who think he’s demonically possessed.

Yeah, it’s not like he’s been waging some economically libertarian argument about taxes all this time—most of the things I’ve seen him tweet and post about are mostly related to race, abortion, immigration and other culture war issues.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:52:40am

re: #457 HappyWarrior

Yeah but we can’t ban those weapons or something.

The author believes every mass shooting is nothing but crisis actors. Awful

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:52:50am

re: #465 Sir John Barron

Yeah, it’s not like he’s been waging some economically libertarian argument about taxes all this time—most of the things I’ve seen him tweet and post about are mostly related to race, abortion, immigration and other culture war issues.

Yeah he’s a culture warrior.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:53:05am

re: #466 Dr. Matt

The author believes every mass shooting is nothing but crisis actors. Awful

Alex Jones like shit.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:53:10am

re: #458 jaunte

Trump campaign reacts to shootings by dialing up the insanity.

“could be”. Hey, we’re just asking questions here.

//

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:53:46am

re: #464 Blind Frog Belly White

I can’t quite grasp the idea of gays who stick with the GOP. Sure, maybe you’re a Free Marketeer who wants more and bigger wars against the swarthy foreigners, but for cripes sake, the GOP makes if crystal fucking clear they don’t think you deserve equal rights. You’re not a one-issue voter, fine. But that one issue is whether you’re a human being or not.

Ah, well. Can’t live in anyone else’s head. Don’t want to.

My buddy, the gay Republican, did not seem too worried about marriage rights, (although he and his partner recently did get married) and just hates Democrats and taxes so much that he overlooks the fact that the GOP is full of people who would like to see sodomy laws re-enacted and enforced.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:54:42am

re: #466 Dr. Matt

The author believes every mass shooting is nothing but crisis actors. Awful

“Crisis actors”. I’d not heard that term before.

But in this case you’d think that Jones would want this shooting to have been real, with a shooter who was Muslim.

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Tigger2  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:54:43am

re: #419 Sir John Barron

Yes, and also the other job offers were not in line with his expectations.

/

I guess he didn’t like that offer of a cooks job at McDonalds. //

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:56:48am

Scott Perry (R-PA):

“….the conundrum is regardless if the military is ready, regardless if all the instruments of power are ready, we have a commander in chief who seems not only not ready, not unwilling but really working collaboratively with what I would say is the enemy of freedom and individual freedom and liberty and Western civilization and modernity.

And in that context, how do you vote to give this commander-in-chief the authority and power to take action when you know in your heart that, if past performance is any indicator of future performance, that he won’t, and that he actually might use it to further their cause and what seems to be his cause and just drag you as a complicitor [sic] in it.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:57:01am

re: #465 Sir John Barron

Yeah, it’s not like he’s been waging some economically libertarian argument about taxes all this time—most of the things I’ve seen him tweet and post about are mostly related to race, abortion, immigration and other culture war issues.

And of course it’s no doubt possible to be gay and be a racist, and anti-abortion, etc. But it shouldn’t be difficult to see how much of the RWNJ rhetoric is about creating fear and hatred of the “other” and that that sort of world view would have, does have, implications for issues a little closer to home for Hoft.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:58:51am

re: #473 jaunte

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Scott Perry (R-PA):

And this is our opposition party. A party that actually thinks the President of the United States is a terrorist sympathizer. I still remember that about initial Romney’s Benghazi response, before it became known that Ambassador Stevens and the other three were killed that day, Mitt was happy to declare that Obama sympathized with the attackers of the consulate.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:59:17am
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KGxvi  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:59:19am

re: #473 jaunte

*takes off glasses, rubs eyes, stares blankly at monitor*

Wait, there are actually elected members of Congress who actually believe this?

*checks bottom desk drawer for bottle of vodka*

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Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:59:30am

re: #473 jaunte

Scott Perry (R-PA):

Hmm, another contestant for Trump’s VP I’d say.

Seriously, though. Yeah, Obama is currently waging an air war against ISIS, took the steps and made the decision to kill OBL, has continued the military’s drone program, etc. But sure, we don’t want to give him military authority because he’s in league with ISIS and AlQ. Unbelievable.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:00:10am

re: #474 Sir John Barron

And of course it’s no doubt possible to be gay and be a racist, and anti-abortion, etc. But it shouldn’t be difficult to see how much of the RWNJ rhetoric is about creating fear and hatred of the “other” and that that sort of world view would have, does have, implications for issues a little closer to home for Hoft.

He also was quiet while the GOP candidates were attending David Swanson expressing support for the death penalty for being gay. I don’t care if Hoft is gay or not, he had no problem with this kind of shit and only seems to be coming out now as a cynical way to attack Muslims even though there are plenty of gay Muslims too.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:01:01am

re: #476 lawhawk

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Yep. That’s right. Rubio suggested that Obama was “sabotaging” the country on purpose. Rubio may delude himself otherwise but he’s no different from Trump. He’s in fact worse since an elected official should know better.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:01:58am

re: #478 Sir John Barron

Hmm, another contestant for Trump’s VP I’d say.

Seriously, though. Yeah, Obama is currently waging an air war against ISIS, took the steps and made the decision to kill OBL, has continued the military’s drone program, etc. But sure, we don’t want to give him military authority because he’s in league with ISIS and AlQ. Unbelievable.

It’s sick. But somehow in the Bush years the Dixie Chicks saying they were embarassed to share the home state as George W. Bush was just awful but it’s perfectly okay for Congressional Republicans ot suggest Obama isn’t loyal to our country.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:02:17am

re: #480 HappyWarrior

Yep. That’s right. Rubio suggested that Obama was “sabotaging” the country on purpose. Rubio may delude himself otherwise but he’s no different from Trump. He’s in fact worse since an elected official should know better.

They have a narrative to stick to: that Islamic Terror is a threat to our values and that Obama/Clinton are only encouraging and helping its spread

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Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:02:18am

re: #475 HappyWarrior

And this is our opposition party. A party that actually thinks the President of the United States is a terrorist sympathizer. I still remember that about initial Romney’s Benghazi response, before it became known that Ambassador Stevens and the other three were killed that day, Mitt was happy to declare that Obama sympathized with the attackers of the consulate.

I wonder how this Rep. Perry feels about Putin? Probably loves him. But Obama is the one in league with our enemies….

/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:02:33am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:03:35am

re: #482 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They have a narrative to stick to: that Islamic Terror is a threat to our values and that Obama/Clinton are only encouraging and helping its spread

No doubt, but they need to be destroyed for saying the President sympathizes with it. It’s one thin to say that an official is not doing enough about terrorism, it crosses a whole new boundary to suggest that he is sympathetic to it and in fact wants it to happen as several elected Republicans have.

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:03:38am

re: #478 Sir John Barron

Hmm, another contestant for Trump’s VP I’d say.

Seriously, though. Yeah, Obama is currently waging an air war against ISIS, took the steps and made the decision to kill OBL, has continued the military’s drone program, etc. But sure, we don’t want to give him military authority because he’s in league with ISIS and AlQ. Unbelievable.

Yes, the avoidance of facts to the contrary in the effort to cling to the ObamaEvil fantasy is absolutely pathological.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:04:25am

re: #484 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Christie is Trump’s intern not AG or VP designate, it’s all clear to me now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:05:27am

re: #487 HappyWarrior

Christie is Trump’s intern not AG or VP designate, it’s all clear to me now.

“Prison wife” would be a better term…

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:05:40am

re: #484 Backwoods_Sleuth

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:06:41am

I’m With The Sane One

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:08:04am

re: #491 jaunte

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I’m With The Sane One

Wow.

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KGxvi  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:08:43am

re: #487 HappyWarrior

Christie is Trump’s intern not AG or VP designate, it’s all clear to me now.

The Trump Campaign (tm), sponsored by The Trump Brand (tm), term is Apprentice (tm) (“Apprentice” is a Trump Brand (tm) registered trademark licensed to The Trump Campaign (tm), any unauthorized used of said trademark will result in a yuge lawsuit) not intern. And this is just part of the process for getting to AG or VP, like the challenges on the first three or four episodes of The Apprentice (tm)

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:09:22am

re: #492 HappyWarrior

Wow.

Kansas!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:09:46am

re: #491 jaunte

Latest Utah poll: Trump 35-Clinton 35. Latest Kansas: Clinton 43-Trump 36. (Romney won by 48 pts in UT; by 22 in KS)

Even Mormon Wives know a serial misogynist when they see one…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:11:01am

oops, wrong tweet…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:12:14am

re: #494 jaunte

Kansas!

I know. I mean with Obama in Virginia in 2008, there was some foreshadowing i.e. we had a Dem majority in the state senate, previous two governors were Dems, and a Republican senator who looked unbeatable going into 2006 was beaten but Kansas and Utah are two very reliable Republican states. Kansas even kept Brownback. My guess is they’re regretting that one immediately and will take out their anger on the Republican name brand. These are also both states that Trump did poorly in during the primaries.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:12:59am

Trump meanwhile has the delusion that he can win NY and CA haha. God though, could Texas actually be in play too?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:13:18am

re: #496 Backwoods_Sleuth

Latest Utah poll: Trump 35-Clinton 35. Latest Kansas: Clinton 43-Trump 36.

The news media still have to make some kind of horse race out of it: I assume they will start out with polls showing Trump far behind and then build excitement about how he is “gaining” by a few tenths of a percentage point every week…

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KGxvi  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:17:13am

re: #497 HappyWarrior

I know. I mean with Obama in Virginia in 2008, there was some foreshadowing i.e. we had a Dem majority in the state senate, previous two governors were Dems, and a Republican senator who looked unbeatable going into 2006 was beaten but Kansas and Utah are two very reliable Republican states. Kansas even kept Brownback. My guess is they’re regretting that one immediately and will take out their anger on the Republican name brand. These are also both states that Trump did poorly in during the primaries.

Here’s a write up on the Kansas poll (it’s by Zogby, who hasn’t been great the last few cycles - apparently this one has a very high number of college educated respondents vs the actual population).

The poll also shows that 71% of respondents are dissatisfied with the Kansas state government.

But, given the sampling issues, this one may end up being an outlier.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:17:26am

Charleston, Sandy Hook, Colorado Springs, Ever Other Damned Mass Shooting in the US.

But Abbott likes to cherry pick for the definition of terrorism.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:17:31am

re: #496 Backwoods_Sleuth

According to RCP, Hillary’s up 4 in PA, 1.6 in FL, 1.4 in OH, 4.3 in VA, and 6.5 in NH, while Trump is ahead by 1 in NC and 4.2 in GA.

By way of comparison, RCP had Romney 10 points up in GA (final results were Romney by 7.8).

In NC, RCP had Romney up 2.5 points on this day in 2012, with the final being 2 point win for Romney.

Trump effect? Halving the margins set by Romney - or more.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:18:58am

re: #500 KGxvi

Here’s a write up on the Kansas poll (it’s by Zogby, who hasn’t been great the last few cycles - apparently this one has a very high number of college educated respondents vs the actual population).

The poll also shows that 71% of respondents are dissatisfied with the Kansas state government.

But, given the sampling issues, this one may end up being an outlier.

Yeah you don’t get excited over one poll, you look for trends. However, I do think ti does appear that the Republicans are going to have to work for a lot of nominal red states this time around.

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iossarian  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:19:01am

re: #491 jaunte

I’m telling you, if it’s Trump in November we will beat them like a drum.

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KGxvi  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:19:19am

re: #502 lawhawk

According to RCP, Hillary’s up 4 in PA, 1.6 in FL, 1.4 in OH, 4.3 in VA, and 6.5 in NH, while Trump is ahead by 1 in NC and 4.2 in GA.

By way of comparison, RCP had Romney 10 points up in GA (final results were Romney by 7.8).

In NC, RCP had Romney up 2.5 points on this day in 2012, with the final being 2 point win for Romney.

Trump effect? Halving the margins set by Romney - or more.

Just wait until he gives his acceptance speech at the convention. That will be the first time many voters see a full speech rather than just clips.

And then there will be the performance at the general election debate(s).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:19:36am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:19:47am

re: #504 iossarian

I’m telling you, if it’s Trump in November we will beat them like a drum.

I’m starting to think that retaking the House may be possible but I’d settle for the Senate.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:20:26am

re: #506 Backwoods_Sleuth

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*Cough* Obama’s opposition party.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:20:47am

re: #505 KGxvi

Just wait until he gives his acceptance speech at the convention. That will be the first time many voters see a full speech rather than just clips.

And then there will be the performance at the general election debate(s).

So you’re saying he could possibly do worse? :)

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KGxvi  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:21:57am

re: #503 HappyWarrior

Yeah you don’t get excited over one poll, you look for trends. However, I do think ti does appear that the Republicans are going to have to work for a lot of nominal red states this time around.

It’s going to be very interesting to see what pollsters do going forward with respect to Johnson. If he keeps drawing double digit support in statewide and national polling, they’re going to have to keep including him in polls. Personally, I’d like to see him on the debate stage with Clinton and Trump. It might still end up being a dumpster fire rolling down hill into that tire fire on a nuclear waste site, but the explosion might give us some nice colors in the night sky.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:22:22am

I don’t see any way the GOP stops Trump as the nominee. You got a base that already distrusts the powerbrokers in that party. You take their nominee from them, you’re going to have a lot of pissed off people who will feel betrayed. So, I think the GOP honchos will swallow the bullet and hope like hell that people have forgotten their clown show in 2018 and 2020.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:22:41am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:23:06am

re: #510 KGxvi

It’s going to be very interesting to see what pollsters do going forward with respect to Johnson. If he keeps drawing double digit support in statewide and national polling, they’re going to have to keep including him in polls. Personally, I’d like to see him on the debate stage with Clinton and Trump. It might still end up being a dumpster fire rolling down hill into that tire fire on a nuclear waste site, but the explosion might give us some nice colors in the night sky.

I wouldn’t be opposed to that if he polls well enough. Johnson does seem to have the most appeal of any third party candidate since Perot.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:25:49am

Johnson-Weld even though I don’t like the LP will actually have some credibility in a way that Trump-whoever will not since they’ve actually ran states before too. However, as I saw on 538 that Johnson and Weld do show that libertarianism is very much a white guy’s ideology and party. 538’s article has them being 2/3’s men and 94% white.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:27:12am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:27:56am

re: #514 HappyWarrior

Johnson-Weld even though I don’t like the LP will actually have some credibility in a way that Trump-whoever will not since they’ve actually ran states before too. However, as I saw on 538 that Johnson and Weld do show that libertarianism is very much a white guy’s ideology and party. 538’s article has them being 2/3’s men and 94% white.

Which means they will probably pull a lot more votes from Trump than from Clinton…

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Skip Intro  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:28:14am

re: #443 jaunte

It’s up to 100 now?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:29:00am

re: #516 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Which means they will probably pull a lot more votes from Trump than from Clinton…

Well yeah and then consider that both were Republican governors too.

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:29:50am

re: #517 Skip Intro

It’s Geraldospeak.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:30:04am

I’ve said ti before but my big gripe with Libertarianism aside from economics is how Libertarians don’t seem to understand that you need a government ot protect and enforce those individual rights that Libertarians profess to value.

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KGxvi  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:32:31am

re: #514 HappyWarrior

Johnson-Weld even though I don’t like the LP will actually have some credibility in a way that Trump-whoever will not since they’ve actually ran states before too. However, as I saw on 538 that Johnson and Weld do show that libertarianism is very much a white guy’s ideology and party. 538’s article has them being 2/3’s men and 94% white.

The Libertarian Party is definitely a white guy’s party. And the particular brand of libertarianism that the party typically spouts is very white guy centric. For Johnson and Weld to do well, they will need to pull the LP into a more pragmatic version of libertarianism. That could be a problem though, because as Johnson admitted on Samantha Bee’s show, there’s a lot of batshit crazy within the party.

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Skip Intro  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:33:03am

re: #519 jaunte

It’s Geraldospeak.

So typical Fox “News” accuracy.

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sagehen  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:33:08am

re: #501 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Charleston, Sandy Hook, Colorado Springs, Ever Other Damned Mass Shooting in the US.

But Abbott likes to cherry pick for the definition of terrorism.

You left out Virginia Tech, Aurora, Tucson, Umqua…

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:33:43am

re: #520 HappyWarrior

Bingo. It’s basically hipster conservatism, a fashionable Bircherism.

Liberty only exists in an absence of government. They fail to realize liberty is threatened by oligarchy just as much.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:34:30am

re: #521 KGxvi

The Libertarian Party is definitely a white guy’s party. And the particular brand of libertarianism that the party typically spouts is very white guy centric. For Johnson and Weld to do well, they will need to pull the LP into a more pragmatic version of libertarianism. That could be a problem though, because as Johnson admitted on Samantha Bee’s show, there’s a lot of batshit crazy within the party.

Yeah the von Mises/Ron Paul is God wing. I know a good amount of Libertarians due to my alma mater. Honestly, a lot of them are sincerely minded individuals but I think there’s a lot of naivete about how the world actually works. It’s my understanding that von Mises school adherents are taught to ignore data and focus on the theory. In that way, they’re a lot like diehard Marxists.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:34:38am

You’d be wrong. She’s reaching Trump levels of derp.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:35:33am

re: #524 SoundGuy 2016

Bingo. It’s basically hipster conservatism, a fashionable Bircherism.

Liberty only exists in an absence of government. They fail to realize liberty is threatened by oligarchy just as much.

Exactly.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:36:37am

re: #525 HappyWarrior

Yeah the von Mises/Ron Paul is God wing. I know a good amount of Libertarians due to my alma mater. Honestly, a lot of them are sincerely minded individuals but I think there’s a lot of naivete about how the world actually works. It’s my understanding that von Mises school adherents are taught to ignore data and focus on the theory. In that way, they’re a lot like diehard Marxists.

Yep, it’s part of the doctrine itself:

Praxeology is a theoretical and systematic, not a historical, science. Its scope is human action as such, irrespective of all environmental, accidental, and individual circumstances of the concrete acts. Its cognition is purely formal and general without reference to the material content and the particular features of the actual case. It aims at knowledge valid for all instances in which the conditions exactly correspond to those implied in its assumptions and inferences. Its statements and propositions are not derived from experience. They are, like those of logic and mathematics, a priori. They are not subject to verification or falsification on the ground of experience and facts. They are both logically and temporally antecedent to any comprehension of historical facts (Von Mises, 32).

outsidethebeltway.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:36:44am

re: #526 lawhawk

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You’d be wrong. She’s reaching Trump levels of derp.

Yeah a bunch of guns in a club with tons of alcohol, great idea Stacey. Goddamn these peopel are so fucking stupid. I am sorry they are. But they have no concept of A) how guns work and B) how a mass shooting happens.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:37:40am

re: #526 lawhawk

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You’d be wrong. She’s reaching Trump levels of derp.

Yeah, one second someone is throwing bows, the next someone is throwing bullets.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:38:15am

re: #528 Timothy Watson

Yep, it’s part of the doctrine itself:

outsidethebeltway.com

Which I think is why it appeals to many on the spectrum honestly. A lot of Aspies are very literal minded people so we’re attracted to things that focus on the abstract rather than the nitty gritty of actual economics which includes living and breathing human beings.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:40:10am

I did not take too much economics courses in school but one thing that did attract me to Keynesian economics is how Keynes did value actual data and the reality of the situations the economy was in.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:40:22am

Presser:

My take:

IOW, the shooter had made all kinds of claims, none of which were particularly credible. He could say anything he wanted about any affiliation and it doesn’t make it so.

IS claims responsibility because there’s no downside for them. But it doesn’t mean the shooter was part of IS. Or Hizbullah. Or Nursa Front.

IS is actively opposed by Hizbullah. Think about that one a moment. He claimed to be part of both groups at different times.

This is the reasoning of a guy who isn’t all there mentally, but may have been playing games with whoever was asking him at the time. Claim affiliations with groups, even though there weren’t any. He tried to claim links to the Boston bombers, but that wasn’t the case either.

The more you dig, the more you find a guy whose hate knew no bounds, and decided to to after gays because of virulent homophobia. That he was Muslim was secondary. That he claimed affiliation with IS or other terror group is secondary.

And it doesn’t take away from the fact that the easy availability of firearms made his mass shooting all too easy to accomplish.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:42:06am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:42:12am

re: #533 lawhawk

Presser:

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My take:

IOW, the shooter had made all kinds of claims, none of which were particularly credible. He could say anything he wanted about any affiliation and it doesn’t make it so.

IS claims responsibility because there’s no downside for them. But it doesn’t mean the shooter was part of IS. Or Hizbullah. Or Nursa Front.

IS is actively opposed by Hizbullah. Think about that one a moment. He claimed to be part of both groups at different times.

This is the reasoning of a guy who isn’t all there mentally, but may have been playing games with whoever was asking him at the time. Claim affiliations with groups, even though there weren’t any. He tried to claim links to the Boston bombers, but that wasn’t the case either.

The more you dig, the more you find a guy whose hate knew no bounds, and decided to to after gays because of virulent homophobia. That he was Muslim was secondary. That he claimed affiliation with IS or other terror group is secondary.

And it doesn’t take away from the fact that the easy availability of firearms made his mass shooting all too easy to accomplish.

It’s akin to a diehard but very messed up Marxist saying he loved the Soviet Union, People’s Republic of China, Hoxha’s Albania, and Tito’s Yugoslavia IMO.

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Skip Intro  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:42:58am

re: #526 lawhawk

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You’d be wrong. She’s reaching Trump levels of derp.

Until he opened fire, the shooter was a good guy with an AR-15.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:43:01am

re: #533 lawhawk

Sounds like the guy was a nutjob who had delusions of grandeur.

The criminal justice field tends to attract a lot of people with that problem. Has there been any word if he had tried to get a job anywhere as a police officer?

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:44:02am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:44:12am

re: #536 Skip Intro

Until he opened fire, the shooter was a good guy with an AR-15.

As if often the case.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:44:45am

re: #533 lawhawk

I believe IS praised the massacre, but they have not made any claim of responsibility or association…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:44:48am

re: #537 Timothy Watson

Sounds like the guy was a nutjob who had delusions of grandeur.

The criminal justice field tends to attract a lot of people with that problem. Has there been any word if he had tried to get a job anywhere as a police officer?

yes. He wanted to join NYPD.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:45:01am

re: #538 lawhawk

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Classy move JetBlue. Props.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:45:03am

re: #535 HappyWarrior

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KGxvi  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:45:09am

re: #525 HappyWarrior

Yeah the von Mises/Ron Paul is God wing. I know a good amount of Libertarians due to my alma mater. Honestly, a lot of them are sincerely minded individuals but I think there’s a lot of naivete about how the world actually works. It’s my understanding that von Mises school adherents are taught to ignore data and focus on the theory. In that way, they’re a lot like diehard Marxists.

My experience with libertarians (party members or not) is mostly in the legal world. A lot of them tend to have this idea that we have to operate (mostly) under the rules as the world existed in 1792. They seem to think everything is basically the same, so they get very Jeffersonian in their opposition to government. I’ve always been a more Hamiltonian in my views on the role of government in relation to liberty. Which, I suppose is why, I’m now something of a center left libertarian.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:46:44am

re: #543 lawhawk

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I really think your average wingnut including their nominee just sees all Muslims as evil and doesn’t understand the very complex reality of sectarianism. It’s basically like if someone saw the Orange Order and Sinn Fein as being the same ideologically because both are compromised of mostly Christians.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:47:08am

We need a smile

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:48:09am

re: #544 KGxvi

My experience with libertarians (party members or not) is mostly in the legal world. A lot of them tend to have this idea that we have to operate (mostly) under the rules as the world existed in 1792. They seem to think everything is basically the same, so they get very Jeffersonian in their opposition to government. I’ve always been a more Hamiltonian in my views on the role of government in relation to liberty. Which, I suppose is why, I’m now something of a center left libertarian.

To use a phrase I hear, you seem to be someone who believes in Hamiltonian methods for Jeffersonian ends. But I think you’re right. They think we should operate under the same rules of 1792 and don’t appreciate how much has changed in our country since then.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:49:35am

re: #544 KGxvi

My experience with libertarians (party members or not) is mostly in the legal world. A lot of them tend to have this idea that we have to operate (mostly) under the rules as the world existed in 1792. They seem to think everything is basically the same, so they get very Jeffersonian in their opposition to government. I’ve always been a more Hamiltonian in my views on the role of government in relation to liberty. Which, I suppose is why, I’m now something of a center left libertarian.

A lot of them seem to adopt a religious devotion to the founders and think that the founders could create a perfect system in the late 1700s that would work in a world centuries later. It completely ignores the problems that plagued the country under the Articles of Confederation and the fact that it took two constitutional amendments to just fix technical problems in the original Constitution (ignoring the Bill of Rights).

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:50:55am

re: #548 Timothy Watson

A lot of them seem to adopt a religious devotion to the founders and think that the founders could create a perfect system in the late 1700s that would work in a world centuries later. It completely ignores the problems that plagued the country under the Articles of Confederation and the fact that it took two constitutional amendments to just fix technical problems in the original Constitution (ignoring the Bill of Rights).

Right, they seem unaware of why the Constitution needed to be written in the first place.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:51:10am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:51:33am

Another thing they lose me on is their strident anti-trade unionism. Do we not have the right to assemble?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:52:01am

re: #550 lawhawk

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That doesn’t surprise me.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:52:54am
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:53:08am

re: #533 lawhawk

Hezbollah is Shi’ite.

I’m pretty damn sure that ISIS (or al-Nusra, an al-Qaeda offshoot) has a distinct dislike for Hezbollah. As in, regards them as “Shi’a apostates”.

It isn’t even remotely logical (from a doctrinal perspective) to claim adherence to both organizations - they are diametrically opposed to one another.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:53:27am

In my observations, so many conservative/libertarian types seem to think our golden age was the era before the Civil War. As a liberal, I think our golden age has yet to come. And think it’s crazy that anyone would see the antebellum period as anything but a difficult era that we got through but was far from our best years as a nation.

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meteor  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:54:38am

re: #9 Joe Bacon

That would be number nine, where Satan is chewing on Judas Iscariot. Fun company.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:55:05am

re: #554 Dr Lizardo

Hezbollah is Shi’ite.

I’m pretty damn sure that ISIS (or al-Nusra, and al-Qaeda offshoot) has a distinct dislike for Hezbollah. As in, regards them as “Shi’a apostates”.

It isn’t even remotely logical (from a doctrinal perspective) to claim adherence to both organizations - they are diametrically opposed to one another.

It’s like when people tried telling us after 9/11 that the Pan-Arabist Saddam Hussein was in cahoots with the Pan-Islamist Bin Laden.

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meteor  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:55:41am

re: #551 HappyWarrior

To them, no.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:56:43am

re: #554 Dr Lizardo

Ding ding ding.

That’s why anything the guy says is suspect. You can’t claim those affiliations and mean any/all of it because they’d be in conflict with each other. You aren’t joining Hizbullah unless you’re Shi’ite, and you’re not going to simultaneously claim affiliation with Nursa or IS because both those groups are Sunni and consider Shi’a to be apostates.

The whole thing reeks.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:57:09am

re: #558 meteor

To them, no.

Which is why they don’t understand the Constitution as well as they claim. Tradesmen associations have existed since well before the US.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:59:31am

I think it’s becoming apparent that he was an anti-gay lunatic that wanted to associate himself with anything Islamic and that shared his hatred of gays and the West.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 13, 2016 • 9:59:32am

re: #560 HappyWarrior

Which is why they don’t understand the Constitution as well as they claim. Tradesmen associations have existed since well before the US.

One of the first political protests in America were Polish craftsmen who went on strike at Jamestown until they were given the right to vote in the colony.
en.wikipedia.org

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CuriousLurker  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:00:16am

re: #537 Timothy Watson

Sounds like the guy was a nutjob who had delusions of grandeur.

The criminal justice field tends to attract a lot of people with that problem. Has there been any word if he had tried to get a job anywhere as a police officer?

The ex-wife talking about him wanting to be a cop—starts at around the 0:59. Creepy.

Ex wife Orlando killer ‘unstable and disturbed’ BBC News

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gocart mozart  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:00:46am

re: #489 lawhawk

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:02:25am

re: #564 gocart mozart

Doesn’t make me feel better as a New Jersey resident and taxpayer. Instead of doing state business, he’s following Trump around like a lapdog.

In fact, I feel worse for having read it again.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:03:39am

re: #562 Timothy Watson

One of the first political protests in America were Polish craftsmen who went on strike at Jamestown until they were given the right to vote in the colony.
en.wikipedia.org

I didn’t know about that, interesting.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:03:43am

re: #564 gocart mozart

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:06:36am

O_o

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b.d.  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:07:11am

re: #568 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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How presidential

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:07:40am
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A Mom Anon  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:07:52am

re: #422 Dr. Matt

Interesting this has become the weapon of choice for mass shooters…why could that be?

You know, I get so sick of gun humpers telling me they should have the right to carry/own what was once a military or law enforcement only weapon. Want to use those, JOIN THE MILITARY or become a cop. And I truly hate stereotyping, but to the last one, every single person that has said this to me has been a soft, white dude who never enlisted after 9/11 even though that’s when most of them become fervent “military supporters” and began stockpiling weapons so they can pretend to be a badass. Guys who should be taking all the money they’re spending on this crap and saving it for their kids’ future instead of preparing for terrorist attacks that are not going to ever happen in Backwardasscountryfuck, GA because no one wants to live there let alone attack the shithole. GAH.

Can you tell I’m past ready to move the fuck out of here? LOL.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:08:49am

Today doesn’t really seem to be an improvement over yesterday.

Which sucks.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:08:58am

re: #568 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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Next Trump will complain that they have access to water too and that something should be done about that too. God he’s clueless.

574
Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:09:10am

re: #567 Stanley Sea

The most recent episodes of Welcome to Night Vale involve a cute dog that’s a demon. When you get close to him, you will start saying “Who’s a good boy” against your will.

575
Skip Intro  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:09:24am

re: #572 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Today doesn’t really seem to be an improvement over yesterday.

Which sucks.

Actually, it’s worse.

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Targetpractice  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:09:49am

re: #563 CuriousLurker

The ex-wife talking about him wanting to be a cop—starts at around the 0:59. Creepy.

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So, another case with a shooter who’s both Muslim and mentally disturbed…so the wingnuts will insist that his being Muslim is the key and beat that dead horse until it’s dust.

577
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:09:52am

re: #572 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Today doesn’t really seem to be an improvement over yesterday.

Which sucks.

{{gentle hugs}}

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:10:46am

re: #576 Targetpractice

So, another case with a shooter who’s both Muslim and mentally disturbed…so the wingnuts will insist that his being Muslim is the key and beat that dead horse until it’s dust.

This time, it actually does seem like it’s mental health. Too bad we don’t require sound mental health to be able to buy guns. Sigh.

579
Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:11:59am

re: #568 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

And boomboxes. Why do they get to have boomboxes?

580
Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:13:52am

re: #526 lawhawk

You’d be wrong. She’s reaching Trump levels of derp.

She only says what she’s programmed to say.

581
Timothy Watson  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:13:52am

re: #568 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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Right, because the United States doesn’t spend billions on signals intelligence going back over a century.

582
HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:14:58am

re: #581 Timothy Watson

Right, because the United States doesn’t spend billions on signals intelligence going back over a century.

SIGINT? WHAT’S THAT?

583
stpaulbear  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:15:37am

Just checking in this morning for the first time. Jim Hoft came out???!
At first I wondered if this might help drag him off the road to denial, but then I remember that there is Drudge.

584
Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:16:43am

re: #501 Backwoods_Sleuth

Charleston, Sandy Hook, Colorado Springs, Ever Other Damned Mass Shooting in the US.

But Abbott likes to cherry pick for the definition of terrorism.

Easily the most partisan, divisive governor in the country. Besides maybe that guy in Maine.

585
Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:17:00am

re: #583 stpaulbear

Just checking in this morning for the first time. Jim Hoft came out???!
At first I wondered if this might help drag him off the road to denial, but then I remember that there is Drudge.

And Milo.

586
gocart mozart  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:17:44am
587
Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:18:44am

re: #491 jaunte

Latest Utah poll: Trump 35-Clinton 35

I wonder who’s getting the other 30%.

588
gocart mozart  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:19:17am
589
Joe Bacon  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:19:42am

re: #436 Dr. Matt

SMOTI: After the Pulse Club Massacre, It’s Time for Gays to Come Home to Republican Party

HOME??! LOL Yes, DimJim is a low-information voter.

I laughed so hard I think I busted something!!!!!!!!!!!!

590
Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:21:39am

re: #589 Joe Bacon

I laughed so hard I think I busted something!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wonder how his commenters are taking this.

591
iossarian  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:22:26am

re: #587 Sir John Barron

I wonder who’s getting the other 30%.

AR-15 Baby Jesus

592
Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:26:21am

re: #533 lawhawk

Based off of some news stories about his parents, it seems the whole family may be a bit off.

593
Dr. Matt  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:28:03am

re: #436 Dr. Matt

SMOTI: After the Pulse Club Massacre, It’s Time for Gays to Come Home to Republican Party

HOME??! LOL Yes, DimJim is a low-information voter.

Like most gay Americans, I don’t wear my sexuality on my sleeve. I go about my daily business. I try not to harm anyone. I love my family. I love my friends. I love my country.

So much fucking bullshit in one paragraph. He’ll wear his brand of hateful conservatism on his sleeve, but not his innate sexuality. He wasn’t born a conservative, but he was born gay. Fucking coward.

594
lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:28:39am

re: #592 Ziggy_TARDIS

Based off of some news stories about his parents, it seems the whole family may be a bit off.

That may be the understatement of the year.

595
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:28:39am
596
Big Beautiful Door  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:29:38am

re: #528 Timothy Watson

Yep, it’s part of the doctrine itself:

outsidethebeltway.com

If it can’t be falsified, its not science, its a faith.

597
Kragar  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:30:45am
598
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:34:12am
599
Big Beautiful Door  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:34:26am

re: #548 Timothy Watson

A lot of them seem to adopt a religious devotion to the founders and think that the founders could create a perfect system in the late 1700s that would work in a world centuries later. It completely ignores the problems that plagued the country under the Articles of Confederation and the fact that it took two constitutional amendments to just fix technical problems in the original Constitution (ignoring the Bill of Rights).

Not to mention the time bomb of slavery planted in the Constitution which very nearly destroyed the Republic, and the Civil War Amendments needed to correct that.

600
Kragar  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:35:06am
601
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:35:57am

more about “radios”:

602
Kragar  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:36:21am
603
Dr. Matt  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:36:33am

Has Trump cancelled his “Clinton speech” that was scheduled for today?

604
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:38:03am

re: #603 Dr. Matt

Has Trump cancelled his “Clinton speech” that was scheduled for today?

He’s cancelled one scheduled for this morning but has the one about Clinton in about an hour in NH.

605
iossarian  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:38:24am

re: #602 Kragar

The Gun Fairy cannot fail, it can only be failed.

606
(insert sarc tag here)  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:38:55am

re: #600 Kragar

Well this will certainly endear him to the GOP. That’s their platform.

607
Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:39:04am

re: #602 Kragar

Oh, so the armed security was also shot and killed? Was wondering about that.

608
Dr. Matt  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:39:05am

re: #604 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s cancelled one scheduled for this morning but has the one about Clinton in about an hour in NH.

Good. I’m glad he didn’t cancel. He’s only going to look even smaller (if that’s even possible).

609
Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:40:14am

re: #608 Dr. Matt

Good. I’m glad he didn’t cancel. He’s only going to look even smaller (it’s that’s even possible).

Here are my good friends, Roger Stone and Alex Jones, to talk more about Crooked Hillary. These guys are really believable, just incredible. Believe me.

610
lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:40:30am

If you’re nto following Igor Volsky on twitter, you’re missing out. The guy is chock full of informative stuff that should be embarrassing to GOPers, but wont be because the GOP feels no shame at all.

611
Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:40:54am

re: #601 Backwoods_Sleuth

more about “radios”:

Why can’t we just unplug their Internet?
/

612
Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:41:35am

re: #600 Kragar

Somehow. He was in the U.S. at the time. Coincidence?

613
jaunte  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:41:48am

re: #601 Backwoods_Sleuth

He is such a constant liar.

614
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:42:33am

re: #608 Dr. Matt

Good. I’m glad he didn’t cancel. He’s only going to look even smaller (it’s that’s even possible).

615
Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:43:15am

re: #593 Dr. Matt

So much fucking bullshit in one paragraph. He’ll wear his brand of hateful conservatism on his sleeve, but not his innate sexuality. He wasn’t born a conservative, but he was born gay. Fucking coward.

I love my friends. Except for Dana Gunz who doesn’t love Trump like I love Trump.

/

616
No Depression  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:44:21am

re: #598 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hillary takes a swipe at the Saudis, Qatar and Kuwait, says they must stop their citizens from funding radical groups. #HRCspeech

-Joy Reid

THANKS HILLARY! Seriously, that doesn’t get mentioned nearly enough. As long as those oil-rich states can use their profits to bankroll radical groups, Islamic terror will always be a problem in the Middle East. This is why we should do everything we can to isolate these countries and undercut their economic influence.

617
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:45:08am
618
Big Beautiful Door  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:45:24am

re: #600 Kragar

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On the campaign trail, he’s suggested the president is holding the threat of prison over Hillary Clinton in exchange for her praise of his foreign policy, particularly the Iran deal.

From the guy who thinks it would be just peachy for the radical Islamic theocracy of Saudi Arabia to get nukes.

619
(insert sarc tag here)  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:46:16am

re: #593 Dr. Matt

So much fucking bullshit in one paragraph. He’ll wear his brand of hateful conservatism on his sleeve, but not his innate sexuality. He wasn’t born a conservative, but he was born gay. Fucking coward.

Wait. SMOTI is gay? Well….That changes everything. //////////////catch breath////////////

620
Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:46:20am

re: #618 Big Beautiful Door

On the campaign trail, he’s suggested the president is holding the threat of prison over Hillary Clinton in exchange for her praise of his foreign policy, particularly the Iran deal.

LOLwhut?

621
Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:47:58am

re: #617 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump sends out an Orlando-themed email soliciting donations for his campaign. “Make America Safe Again.”
— David Corn

Oh, so a ban on AR-15’s and weapons like it?

//

622
lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:51:18am

Meanwhile, closer to home:

Think that was a collective facepalm over Trump’s latest idiocy…

623
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:56:51am
624
sagehen  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:57:32am

re: #555 HappyWarrior

In my observations, so many conservative/libertarian types seem to think our golden age was the era before the Civil War. As a liberal, I think our golden age has yet to come. And think it’s crazy that anyone would see the antebellum period as anything but a difficult era that we got through but was far from our best years as a nation.

Most black people call that era “halftime”; they call the Civil War “the second half of the American Revolution”.

625
Sir John Barron  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:58:07am

re: #623 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah just stop it already with the semantics.

626
Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:59:07am

re: #623 Backwoods_Sleuth

“They only kill half as many as a fully automatic weapon. See, that’s OK.”

smh

627
stpaulbear  Jun 13, 2016 • 10:59:13am

re: #619 nines09

Wait. SMOTI is gay? Well….That changes everything. //////////////catch breath////////////

That was my reaction too. He never once set off my gaydar, although pictures of his living room did. I thought he must still live with his mom.

628
jaunte  Jun 13, 2016 • 11:00:23am

re: #623 Backwoods_Sleuth

they’re not FULLY automatic

Because two shots a second is way different from full auto.

629
wrenchwench  Jun 13, 2016 • 11:01:28am

We are being protected from Mexican baloney.

The U.S. Customs and Border Protection confiscated 14 rolls of Mexican bologna Thursday morning at the El Paso, Texas port of entry, the CBP announced on Friday.

Agents found the meat in a Chevrolet Silverado with New Mexico license plate crossing the border around 9 a.m. Thursday.

The driver initially told agents he did not have any agriculture products, but they did a second examination of the vehicle and the driver admitted he had the bologna under a rear seat, according to the CBP.

The driver was released and the contraband meat was destroyed.

[…]

Only a New Mexican would try to illegally import baloney.

630
jaunte  Jun 13, 2016 • 11:02:14am

Ron isn’t really up on the laws about bombs yet.

631
Decatur Deb  Jun 13, 2016 • 11:02:53am

re: #629 wrenchwench

We are being protected from Mexican baloney.

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Only a New Mexican would try to illegally import baloney.

Carrying coals to Newcastle.

632
sagehen  Jun 13, 2016 • 11:03:52am

re: #574 Belafon

The most recent episodes of Welcome to Night Vale involve a cute dog that’s a demon. When you get close to him, you will start saying “Who’s a good boy” against your will.

I’m still in the early episodes. All Hail the glow cloud.

633
Franklin  Jun 13, 2016 • 11:04:02am

re: #629 wrenchwench

We are being protected from Mexican baloney.

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Only a New Mexican would try to illegally import baloney.

Trying to goad Trump into one of his knee-jerk retweets:

634
wrenchwench  Jun 13, 2016 • 11:04:22am

re: #631 Decatur Deb

Carrying coals to Newcastle.

Maybe contraband coals taste better burn brighter.

635
(insert sarc tag here)  Jun 13, 2016 • 11:04:25am

re: #627 stpaulbear

That was my reaction too. He never once set off my gaydar, although pictures of his living room did. I thought he must still live with his mom.

His sexuality is the least of my concerns. It never really surprises me to see a tool like him, who stands with the crowd that bashes gays, turns out to be gay. Somewhere along the line something got all twisted up. Bad. He’s a fucking moron. A loud moron. Clueless. Just operating a self loathing grift. I’d bet moms basement. Free.

636
Reality Based Steve  Jun 13, 2016 • 11:07:27am

Over at FR they seem to be in a quandary over Hoft and the other gay conservative blogger who came out in town hall (may be Hoft, may be someone else)

Part are “can’t be conservative because gay” and part are “this is good for us”

Interesting to see how their cognitive dissonance plays out

637
No Depression  Jun 13, 2016 • 11:08:27am

re: #623 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Ron Johnson’s neurons only semi-fire.

638
iossarian  Jun 13, 2016 • 11:09:03am

re: #636 Reality Based Steve

Over at FR they seem to be in a quandary over Hoft and the other gay conservative blogger who came out in town hall (may be Hoft, may be someone else)

Part are “can’t be conservative because gay” and part are “this is good for us”

Interesting to see how their cognitive dissonance plays out

Also some “we don’t really hate gay people - liberals hate gay people because they want them to be inferior just like they do with the blacks.”

No, it doesn’t make any sense.

639
(insert sarc tag here)  Jun 13, 2016 • 11:09:04am

re: #589 Joe Bacon

I laughed so hard I think I busted something!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe if more Republicans came out and stopped bashing other gays….Like the clueless Log Cabin dupes. Waiting for that ship that sailed long ago. Dead, Jim. He’s…..Dead.

640
Interesting Times  Jun 13, 2016 • 11:09:12am

re: #630 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Ron isn’t really up on the laws about bombs yet.

And the Boston Bombers killed 5 people. This terrorist, using an assault rifle, murdered 10 times as many.

That’s what makes this even more sickening - terrorists needn’t even bother going to trouble of bomb-making when they can buy a perfectly legal mass-murder device ready to use out of the box.

641
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 11:09:25am
642
(insert sarc tag here)  Jun 13, 2016 • 11:11:39am

re: #641 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bad Lee White. And a one ana two ana

643
Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 11:15:12am

re: #635 nines09

His seuality is the least of my concerns. It never really surprises me to see a tool like him, who stands with the crowd that bashes gays, turns out to be gay. Somewhere along the line something got all twisted up. Bad. He’s a fucking moron. A loud moron. Clueless. Just operating a self loathing grift. I’d bet moms basement. Free.

“President Trump, you aren’t going to let them do anything to me, are you? I’ve been on your side for many years.”

644
No Depression  Jun 13, 2016 • 11:15:31am

I seriously doubt SMOTI is actually gay because of the timing of his “coming out”. It’s so ghoulishly opportunistic that it makes me think he’s pretending to be gay in a pathetic attempt to create a wedge between the Democratic Party and the LGBT community.

645
Jebediah, RBG  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:52:59pm

re: #586 gocart mozart

Fun but kind of weird movie - “The Anderson Tapes”


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