Triggered, Donald Trump Revokes Washington Post Press Credentials

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In the latest episode of Donald Trump’s thin-skinned rampage across the American political landscape, he just took to Facebook to announce he’s banning the Washington Post.

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The Washington Post article that apparently triggered the Trumpenstein’s rage is a straightforward account of Trump’s own statements, reported verbatim.

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Kragar  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:15:14pm
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Testy Toad T  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:15:17pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspaper_of_record

Guess who’s listed.

I did not think that even Trump would attempt to pull this off. I literally do not have any idea how the press will react. If there’s anything like precedent in this country, I’m all ears.

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unproven innocence  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:16:11pm

…he just took to Facebook to announce he’s banning the Washington Post.
I’ve banned Facebook. Hope that helps.

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:16:36pm
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KingKenrod  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:17:19pm

Major league trolling from the White House:

White House press secretary Josh Earnest said later Monday that he had not spoken with the president about Trump’s criticisms, but he emphasized that “when you are focused on something as big as helping the country respond to the worst mass shooting in the nation’s history, it’s important not to get distracted by things that are so small.”

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Kragar  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:19:19pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:19:45pm

Well, I sure as hell hope this sends a big ol’ message to all the media that this guy is certifiably nuts and if he becomes president banning one newspaper is just the start. They need to see this as a threat to all.

They need to take him down. Now is a good time.

Dump Trump™!

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Kragar  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:20:47pm
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thedopefishlives  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:21:15pm

re: #2 Testy Toad T

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspaper_of_record

Guess who’s listed.

I did not think that even Trump would attempt to pull this off. I literally do not have any idea how the press will react. If there’s anything like precedent in this country, I’m all ears.

I’m not sure anyone’s tried anything this mind-bogglingly stupid before. Has WaPo responded at all yet? I’m deathly curious to see what they say.

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:21:59pm

How will the Washington Post report on and fact-check Trump without press credentials? Just wait for him to speak.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:22:45pm
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mr.fusion  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:23:07pm

Just last week Trump said he wouldn’t be spending money on ads because he gets so much free press coverage

I would love to see the press band together and just say “Ok, we’re not going to cover you at all anymore. No more reporters at your rallies, no more reporters at your press conferences.” But that’ll never happen…..because clicks

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nines09  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:23:20pm

“ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO RECORD WHAT I SAY? YOU’RE OUTTA HERE!!! MY ACTUAL WORDS WERE MISCONSTRUED. CHECK THE VIDEO. SEE?
Ah. Benito must be so proud. The press is always the enemy. Until you control it. Then it’s your dog. Want a bone? Sit up and beg.

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Great White Snark  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:27:16pm

re: #7 ObserverArt

Well, I sure as hell hope this sends a big ol’ message to all the media that this guy is certifiably nuts and if he becomes president banning one newspaper is just the start. They need to see this as a threat to all.

They need to take him down. Now is a good time.

Dump Trump™!

Tone deaf ears. Network exec view-As long as his antics get them the clicks and adrev, who cares about a guy sitting in a chair at the WH pressroom?

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:27:55pm

You could see this coming a few months ago.
March 18:

“…After several incidents of Trump campaign aides threatening to revoke credentials for reporters who left the fenced-in press pen, representatives from ABC News, CBS News, NBC News, Fox News, and CNN organized a conference call with Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski to negotiate access.

According to two sources familiar with the call, the Trump campaign, citing security concerns from Secret Service [yeah, right], dictated to the networks that their camera crews can only shoot Trump head-on from a fenced-in press pen….The terms, which limit the access journalists have to supporters and protesters while Trump is speaking, are unprecedented, and are more restrictive than those put on the networks by the White House or Hillary Clinton’s campaign, which has had Secret Service protection for its duration.
motherjones.com

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Kragar  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:27:59pm
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Dr. Matt  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:28:12pm
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Kragar  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:30:10pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:31:28pm

More aggravated dumbassery from the RWNJ:


If you took away strawmen, half truths, and loaded questions, the average RWNJ would immediately be struck dumb (as opposed to stupid, which they already are).
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Stanley Sea  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:32:00pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:33:11pm

re: #20 Stanley Sea

Well fuck.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:33:17pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:34:36pm

re: #20 Stanley Sea

Fun fact: St Lucie Shooting Center, where Orlando murderer bought his guns, is owned by Sean Hannitys cousin Ed Henson

They were okay with Saint Reagan arming Islamic militants, why not their own relatives?

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Stanley Sea  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:37:36pm

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

Well fuck.

Oh and.

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Jenner7  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:40:29pm
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Kragar  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:40:31pm
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gwangung  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:44:32pm

re: #19 Shiplord Kirel

More aggravated dumbassery from the RWNJ:

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If you took away strawmen, half truths, and loaded questions, the average RWNJ would immediately be struck dumb (as opposed to stupid, which they already are).

WE don’t think he represents all gun owners. However, these bozos are making him a poster child of 2nd Amendment rights….

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Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:47:12pm

Wow, my article about Jim Hoft is headed for 10,000 hits from Twitter. Now starting to get shared a lot on Facebook too.

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iossarian  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:47:41pm

re: #24 Stanley Sea

These people never seem to understand the whole accusation -> trial -> verdict -> sentencing flowchart all that well.

It’s a simple enough flowchart.

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:50:12pm
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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:51:00pm

Donald is so scary. I have a lot of respect for journalism and their role as “the 4th Estate,” and I know they have a difficult daily task in being objective and fair. However, I hope this is a wake up call to any journalist still treating this like a normal election and pretending we are not teetering on a moral and civic precipice. The typical “both sides” narrative must be scrapped yesterday. This is not a drill, we have an actual fascist, would-be tyrant running for president. REPEAT: THIS IS NOT A DRILL!! Trump CANNOT become president under any circumstances!

I’d direct this at the RNC too, but they are clearly soulless apparatchiks who’d step over their own bleeding mothers for an NRA dollar. They are a lost cause and they must be soundly defeated.

This election is exhausting.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:54:45pm

re: #19 Shiplord Kirel

More aggravated dumbassery from the RWNJ:

If you took away strawmen, half truths, and loaded questions, the average RWNJ would immediately be struck dumb (as opposed to stupid, which they already are).

He represents that subset of gun owners who have no business owning a gun in the first place…

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:55:03pm
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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:55:14pm

re: #24 Stanley Sea

Oh and.

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Trump will hire him as his butler.

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Targetpractice  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:56:06pm

re: #30 jaunte

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Republicans and their conservative brethren in the press have been very successful in convincing their gullible followers that the “mainstream media” is influenced if not directly controlled by “liberal” interests and/or the government (when Democrats are in power). So why would it be so surprising that a man who represents the party’s unrestrained id would put into practice the idea that if the press isn’t your lapdog, it’s your enemy?

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EPR-radar  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:56:20pm

re: #31 InfidelOfFreedom

Donald is so scary. I have a lot of respect for journalism and their role as “the 4th Estate,” and I know they have a difficult daily task in being objective and fair. However, I hope this is a wake up call to any journalist still treating this like a normal election and pretending we are not teetering on a moral and civic precipice. The typical “both sides” narrative must be scrapped yesterday. This is not a drill, we have an actual fascist, would-be tyrant running for president. REPEAT: THIS IS NOT A DRILL!! Trump CANNOT become president under any circumstances!

I’d direct this at the RNC too, but they are clearly soulless apparatchiks who’d step over their own bleeding mothers for an NRA dollar. They are a lost cause and they must be soundly defeated.

This election is exhausting.

The press needs to do more than hammer on Trump. The fact that most Republicans are lining up behind a fascist demagogue like Trump is the real problem.

The Republican party is fascism waiting to happen, and merely defeating Trump isn’t going to change that.

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makeitstop  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:57:24pm

re: #34 InfidelOfFreedom

Trump will hire him as his butler.

I think Christie took that gig.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:58:02pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Not bad for someone who is irrelevant.

//

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:58:06pm

Donald’s hoping to do to the press what Bush did - cower the press by restricting access - by is being too obvious and crass about it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 2:59:39pm

re: #39 Belafon

Donald’so hoping to do to the press what Bush did - cower through press by restricting access - by is being to obvious and crass about it.

he knows no other way

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:00:46pm

re: #34 InfidelOfFreedom

Trump will hire him as his butler.

No, Trump already has Chris Christie doing that job.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:01:02pm

Diversionary tactics to get people to get angry about A, while B goes unremarked upon in sufficient detail.

Note again what Trump was calling for earlier today. A police state coupled with a widespread ban on Muslims entering the country, including from countries with history of terrorism.

This nativist/isolationist claptrap once again shows a complete and utter lack of character and judgment and is unfit to be anywhere near the White House. Even on the tour.

I said earlier on Twitter that I think he’s a sociopath/psychopath, and it’s clear that he’s incapable of doing anything other than lying about, well, everything. And his policies are destructive and antithetical to the Constitution and all that it represents.

He’s willing to make xenophobia the law of the land. “Huddled masses my ass” is his catchphrase.

It’s beyond disgraceful, but the GOP has enabled this and anyone who votes or voted for him is responsible for him and his policies/actions/statements. You can’t run away from any of this.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:02:54pm

re: #31 InfidelOfFreedom

Donald is so scary. I have a lot of respect for journalism and their role as “the 4th Estate,” and I know they have a difficult daily task in being objective and fair. However, I hope this is a wake up call to any journalist still treating this like a normal election and pretending we are not teetering on a moral and civic precipice. The typical “both sides” narrative must be scrapped yesterday. This is not a drill, we have an actual fascist, would-be tyrant running for president. REPEAT: THIS IS NOT A DRILL!! Trump CANNOT become president under any circumstances!

I’d direct this at the RNC too, but they are clearly soulless apparatchiks who’d step over their own bleeding mothers for an NRA dollar. They are a lost cause and they must be soundly defeated.

This election is exhausting.

The Star War movie Attack of the Clones had some problems…but the line This is how liberty dies…with thunderous applause was right on the mark.

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BeachDem  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:04:04pm

re: #15 jaunte

You could see this coming a few months ago.
March 18:

Remember, the “negotiations” even included the press agreeing that they wouldn’t be able to go to the bathroom unless accompanied by Trump security.

Fucking gutless wonders.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:04:18pm

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Targetpractice  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:05:46pm

re: #44 BeachDem

Remember, the “negotiations” even included the press agreeing that they wouldn’t be able to go to the bathroom unless accompanied by Trump security.

Fucking gutless wonders.

But they went bugfuck insane when Clinton campaign staff kept them behind a rope during her campaign appearance one time last year.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:06:31pm

re: #37 makeitstop

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

*Slaps forehead* Doh! How could I forget the Donald’s favorite gopher?

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:06:44pm

re: #36 EPR-radar

The press needs to do more than hammer on Trump. The fact that most Republicans are lining up behind a fascist demagogue like Trump is the real problem.

The Republican party is fascism waiting to happen, and merely defeating Trump isn’t going to change that.

as is not surprising, FR is more than fine with this. Here is a typical response.

Good for Trump. He should extend this to fine-toothed-comb investigations of news agencies if he wins. It won’t be hard at all to find a legion of skeletons in their closets and start having their staff and ‘reporters’ arrested en masse for everything from larceny to embezzling to treason.

Because nothing says “Make America Great Again” like rounding up the press.

Waiting for his “Will nobody rid me of this troublesome reporter” moment. /0.5

RBS

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:07:53pm

A major problem with Trump is this is a man who has is not used to being told NO. From the time he was 18 he has been in charge of everything, calling all the shots, thinking he can do no wrong.

Then he surrounds himself with a bunch of subervient pussy yes men and the cycle continues.

Who will reign in Donald Trump? Half the fucking GOP have tried with no luck.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:10:13pm

re: #49 Eclectic Cyborg

A major problem with Trump is this is a man who has is not used to being told NO. From the time he was 18 he has been in charge of everything, calling all the shots, thinking he can do no wrong.

Then he surrounds himself with a bunch of subervient pussy yes men and the cycle continues.

Who will reign in Donald Trump? Half the fucking GOP have tried with no luck.

And his temper tantrums could wreck half the world if he is made President.

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:10:26pm

re: #49 Eclectic Cyborg

A major problem with Trump is this is a man who has is not used to being told NO. From the time he was 18 he has been in charge of everything, calling all the shots, thinking he can do no wrong.

Then he surrounds himself with a bunch of subervient pussy yes men and the cycle continues.

Who will reign in Donald Trump? Half the fucking GOP have tried with no luck.

So, Nero is an appropriate title for him, including the number of the beast associated with it.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:10:33pm

re: #44 BeachDem

Remember, the “negotiations” even included the press agreeing that they wouldn’t be able to go to the bathroom unless accompanied by Trump security.

Fucking gutless wonders.

Or Mika on Morning Joe promising “no hard questions”.

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unproven innocence  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:10:48pm

re: #43 Aunty Entity Dragon

The Star War movie Attack of the Clones had some problems…but the line This is how liberty dies…with thunderous applause was right on the mark.

Appropriate subtext for a Trump poster, I think.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:12:34pm

Should Donald Trump get elected, I can see a future Fox News Headline…

“President Trump’s approval numbers rise over his wildly successful Martial Law implementation in the shutdown of mosques and forced relocation of Muslims to FEMA camps following the latest attack by a radical Islamic terrorist during a furry convention. ‘President Trump has responded in a swift a decisive way’, press secretary Chuck C. Johnson stated to the assembled pool reporters. “

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:17:13pm
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BeachDem  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:17:26pm

Donald Trump, Mainstream Conservative

During the work day, they can turn on the radio and listen to Christian nationalists like Bryan Fischer tell them how the Founding Fathers intended to provide religious freedom only to Christians…

Fischer and Trump are not alone in their desire to illegally target Muslims. Fischer’s preferred candidate, Ted Cruz, has proposed that law-enforcement officers conduct perpetual campaigns to “patrol and secure” Muslim neighborhoods in a sort of secret-police arrangement. Family Research Council president Tony Perkins has repeatedly said that liberal Christians and Muslims do not deserve religious freedom as well. Anti-Muslim activist Frank Gaffney wants to bring back HUAC…

The more one examines Trump’s positions (or at least the ones that haven’t changed the same day), the more one finds that they are completely within the mainstream of the American Right. The reality is that Donald Trump is not an aberration; he is an apotheosis.

Mother Jones? Media Matters? Think Progress?

Nope.

theamericanconservative.com

And the comments? Oy.

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Skip Intro  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:17:46pm

re: #20 Stanley Sea

In the “Things that will never be reported by Fox News” department.

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Targetpractice  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:19:08pm

re: #54 Eric The Fruit Bat

Should Donald Trump get elected, I can see a future Fox News Headline…

“President Trump’s approval numbers rise over his wildly successful Martial Law implementation in the shutdown of mosques and forced relocation of Muslims to FEMA camps following the latest attack by a radical Islamic terrorist during a furry convention…..”

“This rise in approval numbers has been noted to coincide with the One Nation, One Media Act that consolidated much of the national media outlets under the Fox News banner. The act was in response to national discontent over what, as President Trump put it, ‘was the useless number of lying reporters in the press.’ However, rumor is now that the White House is working on a new law that will end private media ownership in favor of a government-owned news organization called ‘Truth.’ We here at Fox News are thrilled to hear this news.”

//

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Skip Intro  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:19:10pm

Angry Orange Hemorrhoid bans press for reporting what it says.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:21:09pm

re: #56 BeachDem

Donald Trump, Mainstream Conservative

During the work day, they can turn on the radio and listen to Christian nationalists like Bryan Fischer tell them how the Founding Fathers intended to provide religious freedom only to Christians…

Fischer and Trump are not alone in their desire to illegally target Muslims. Fischer’s preferred candidate, Ted Cruz, has proposed that law-enforcement officers conduct perpetual campaigns to “patrol and secure” Muslim neighborhoods in a sort of secret-police arrangement. Family Research Council president Tony Perkins has repeatedly said that liberal Christians and Muslims do not deserve religious freedom as well. Anti-Muslim activist Frank Gaffney wants to bring back HUAC…

The more one examines Trump’s positions (or at least the ones that haven’t changed the same day), the more one finds that they are completely within the mainstream of the American Right. The reality is that Donald Trump is not an aberration; he is an apotheosis.

Mother Jones? Media Matters? Think Progress?

Nope.

theamericanconservative.com

And the comments? Oy.

Not with a dog whistle, but a fire siren.

RBS

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:27:15pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:28:06pm

Not my usual frog, but still a frog…

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:30:01pm

re: #61 jaunte

I give up on pretending these people are decent. They are not. Fuck you congressman.

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Shimshon  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:30:53pm

re: #39 Belafon

Donald’s hoping to do to the press what Bush did - cower the press by restricting access - by is being too obvious and crass about it.

Or planting fake journalists to make you look good, until it backfires:

washingtonpost.com

But remember, the GOP is the only party that cares about the Constitution…

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Shimshon  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:32:38pm

re: #49 Eclectic Cyborg

A major problem with Trump is this is a man who has is not used to being told NO. From the time he was 18 he has been in charge of everything, calling all the shots, thinking he can do no wrong.

Then he surrounds himself with a bunch of subervient pussy yes men and the cycle continues.

Who will reign in Donald Trump? Half the fucking GOP have tried with no luck.

He’s getting crazier by the day. I took a break from politics because the primary season got too nuts, and come back to things being even more nuts. It’s gong to last until November, or at least until the first debate and Hillary smacking him down.

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wrenchwench  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:33:31pm

[…]

We’ve made bigotry a matter of public policy. It shouldn’t be a shock then that bigotry has trickled down into our lives in so many deadly ways as a result. Until earlier this year, Mississippi was the final state in the nation not to allow gay couples to adopt children. Writer Michelangelo Signorile noted in February that legislators in more than 20 states had advanced “religious liberties bills that would allow government workers, taxpayer-funded groups and businesses whose owners or operators oppose gay marriage to discriminate against gays.”

[…]

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gocart mozart  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:38:28pm

Magnets, how do they work?

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:43:49pm

re: #65 Shimshon

He’s getting crazier by the day. I took a break from politics because the primary season got too nuts, and come back to things being even more nuts. It’s gong to last until November, or at least until the first debate and Hillary smacking him down.

The thing that scares me about the debate is that he’s basically running a Gish Gallop campaign, and so far the debate moderators have been unable/unwilling to call out all of Trump’s lies. I have no doubt Hillary will perform well, but I fear a repeat of the Sarah Palin debate “analysis” where the bar was so low that she was praised her for boner-giving skills and managing not to sound like Miss South Carolina.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:44:32pm

Donald is having a complete twitter meltdown right now

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:46:18pm

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

Donald is having a complete twitter meltdown right now

So… Monday?

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Skip Intro  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:46:37pm

re: #68 InfidelOfFreedom

I have no doubt that the ultra thin skinned Royal Trump will throw a tantrum then simply walk off the stage if the questions are “unfair”, meaning he’s expected to actually answer.

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Skip Intro  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:47:18pm

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

Did he give his “Clinton speech” yet?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:47:57pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:48:15pm

re: #72 Skip Intro

Did he give his “Clinton speech” yet?

yep, earlier this afternoon.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:48:23pm

re: #68 InfidelOfFreedom

The thing that scares me about the debate is that he’s basically running a Gish Gallop campaign, and so far the debate moderators have been unable/unwilling to call out all of Trump’s lies. I have no doubt Hillary will perform well, but I fear a repeat of the Sarah Palin debate “analysis” where the bar was so low that she was praised her for boner-giving skills and managing not to sound like Miss South Carolina.

It’s not a bug. It’s actually part of the required functionality in the design specifications.

RBS

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:48:39pm

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

The ideology of homophobia, or nah?

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wrenchwench  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:49:33pm
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unproven innocence  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:51:40pm

re: #72 Skip Intro

Did he give his “Clinton speech” yet?

No. He postponed, in opening remarks in today’s speech [edit] in New Hampshire.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:53:37pm

re: #56 BeachDem

And the comments? Oy.

I know. I skimmed through them.

WTF is ‘racial socialism’?

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wrenchwench  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:54:37pm
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Decatur Deb  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:57:54pm

Blowback from the Orlando murders has had a serious impact:

Investors send gun makers’ share price soaring after another tragedy

journalnow.com

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:58:32pm
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KGxvi  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:58:52pm

re: #80 wrenchwench

must be those damn New York values that Cruz was railing against…

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CuriousLurker  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:58:55pm

re: #76 InfidelOfFreedom

The ideology of homophobia, or nah?

I’m guessing nah. //

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unproven innocence  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:58:58pm

re: #81 Decatur Deb

Blowback from the Orlando murders has had a serious impact:

Investors send gun makers’ share price soaring after another tragedy

journalnow.com

Terrorism. It’s just good business. /half

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No Depression  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:59:06pm

re: #79 Romantic Heretic

I know. I skimmed through them.

WTF is ‘racial socialism’?

TANF, food stamps, EBT, etc. Many conservatives believe these programs unfairly take from whites to provide for blacks.

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lockjawcanbefun  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:59:06pm
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Jay C  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:59:14pm

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

“So do bombs,” Johnson replied. “So there are other ways that terrorists can slaughter people….”

True, but as we have noticed, Senator, most terrorists prefer to use guns (specifically assault weapons like the AR-15). Might there not be a reason for that?

I wonder if anyone asked Sen. Johnson how many people at the Pulse nightclub Omar Matteen might have been able to kill with a baseball bat, a knife, or even a machete? Somewhere short of the 50 he got with guns, I’m sure….

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:59:41pm

re: #1 Kragar

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They should have been dragging him all along. Not just now.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:59:42pm

re: #87 lockjawcanbefun

Flapping clitoris. What an awesome name for a band.

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TK-421  Jun 13, 2016 • 3:59:45pm

I see Dim Donald is pivoting for the general!

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Skip Intro  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:01:23pm

re: #81 Decatur Deb

Blowback from the Orlando murders has had a serious impact:

Investors send gun makers’ share price soaring after another tragedy

journalnow.com

That’s why I call the NRA Murder Inc.

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wrenchwench  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:01:41pm

re: #83 KGxvi

must be those damn New York values that Cruz was railing against…

The very same. He can have his share if he would dare to open his mouth on a NY train.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:02:45pm
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Decatur Deb  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:03:27pm

re: #92 Skip Intro

That’s why I call the NRA Murder Inc.

It’s a self-licking ice cream cone. More guns to more shootings to more fear to more guns.

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Jay C  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:03:37pm

re: #79 Romantic Heretic

I know. I skimmed through them.

WTF is ‘racial socialism’?

I’m guessing, from the context, it’s akin to “Kenyan anti-colonialism” - i.e., an imaginary euphemism for “hates white people” or the like…

My favorite was the carp about “Marxist anarchists in government”…
how can one tell? By the black berets??

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:04:04pm

I just learned that one of our divers, a guy in tremendous shape (ex-Special Forces, currently a Security Contractor) just suffered a heart attack. They have put 2 stents in, and the prognosis is excellent. This guy is more than in-shape, solid, clean life style and it hit him. Age is probably early 40’s at the oldest

Prayers and positive energy up to him. He’s already asking the docs when he can go diving next. :)

RBS

98
Frankie Five Angels  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:05:06pm
99
ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:05:39pm

So, I flipped on the ol’ screen after working some graphic layouts today and tuned to MSNBC. And guess who was on slathering praise all over some orange butt? One Hugh Hewitt. Looks like Donald sent all the right signals to Hugh today and last week is over…in the rear view mirror…forgotten…kissed and made up…back to best friendies!

Damn Hugh. I hate to say it, but not only are you a cheap date. You are way easy.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:07:18pm

re: #99 ObserverArt

I saw that too. He went from “Donald was going to destroy the country,” to “Donald hit all the right notes,” just like that *fingersnap*. The Donfather must have put a horse head in his bed last night.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:07:26pm

re: #86 No Depression

TANF, food stamps, EBT, etc. Many conservatives believe these programs unfairly take from whites to provide for blacks.

They must figure the Department of Agriculture is lying

Who Gets Food Stamps? White People, Mostly

Nationally, most of the people who receive benefits from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program are white. According to 2013 data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the program, 40.2 percent of SNAP recipients are white, 25.7 percent are black, 10.3 percent are Hispanic, 2.1 percent are Asian and 1.2 percent are Native American. […]

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wrenchwench  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:09:03pm

re: #97 Reality Based Steve

I just learned that one of our divers, a guy in tremendous shape (ex-Special Forces, currently a Security Contractor) just suffered a heart attack. They have put 2 stents in, and the prognosis is excellent. This guy is more than in-shape, solid, clean life style and it hit him. Age is probably early 40’s at the oldest

Prayers and positive energy up to him. He’s already asking the docs when he can go diving next. :)

RBS

Unlucky genetics. Lucky medical attention. First symptom for many is death.

I hope he lives long with no more trouble.

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No Depression  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:11:28pm

re: #101 CuriousLurker

They must figure the Department of Agriculture is lying

I didn’t say that view is logical or grounded in reality :) But seriously thanks for posting that. I honestly didn’t know what the breakdown of SNAP recipients looked like.

104
Teukka  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:17:49pm

Dunno if this has been posted yet…

105
Reality Based Steve  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:21:41pm

I’m sure that this has been posted, but along with the stupid on Facebook, there is occasionally the sublime.

RBS

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:21:54pm

re: #101 CuriousLurker

Nationally, most of the people who receive benefits from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program are white. According to 2013 data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the program, 40.2 percent of SNAP recipients are white, 25.7 percent are black, 10.3 percent are Hispanic, 2.1 percent are Asian and 1.2 percent are Native American. […]

They will be quick to point out that blacks only make up 12% of the population.

So whatever the socioeconomic reasons for blacks being twice as likely to be on food assistance than whites, the answer given by the RWNJs will be clear: Blacks are twice as lazy and beholden to Free Government Stuff than White Americans.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:25:34pm

re: #103 No Depression

I didn’t say that view is logical or grounded in reality :) But seriously thanks for posting that. I honestly didn’t know what the breakdown of SNAP recipients looked like.

You’re welcome. Someone here posted before (prolly VB), so it rang a bell as soon as you mentioned it.

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:26:31pm

re: #106 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They’d probably think blacks make up 25% of the population and start freaking out.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:27:29pm

re: #108 Belafon

They’d probably think blacks make up 25% of the population and start freaking out.

They would if Planned Parenthood had not aborted all those black babies…

110
wrenchwench  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:30:36pm
111
bratwurst  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:35:46pm
112
Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:35:46pm
113
Reality Based Steve  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:40:02pm

re: #111 bratwurst

[Embedded content]

Nope, he’s saving it for this special product, one that truly defines the Trump Brand.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:41:09pm

re: #106 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They will be quick to point out that blacks only make up 12% of the population.

So whatever the socioeconomic reasons for blacks being twice as likely to be on food assistance than whites, the answer given by the RWNJs will be clear: Blacks are twice as lazy and beholden to Free Government Stuff than White Americans.

Hmm, so I wonder how they explain away Hispanics, who constitute approximately 17% of the U.S. population, yet only 10% of the food stamp recipients…? And those horrible Mexicans Von ClownStick wants to get rid of? They make up well over half of the Hispanic population.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:41:27pm

re: #113 Reality Based Steve

Nope, he’s saving it for this special product, one that truly defines the Trump Brand.

Embedded Image

Are there Bone-in Pork Rectums?

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Skip Intro  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:41:56pm

Gunman Omar Mateen visited gay nightclub a dozen times before shooting, witness says

orlandosentinel.com

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:42:44pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

The next time someone explains how the NRA has to do this because politics, and Republicans have to fall in line because politics, and how understanding politics doesn’t translate to approving it, I’m hoping someone else wants to point out that by voting for Republicans, they are approving of it.

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petesh  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:42:53pm

re: #49 Eclectic Cyborg

Who will reign in Donald Trump? Half the fucking GOP have tried with no luck.

Tag-team of women: Clinton & Warren

Then, when Donnie’s head explodes, Bill & Barack step in to bury the remains.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:44:17pm

re: #115 Blind Frog Belly White

Are there Bone-in Pork Rectums?

Comments like that are the very reason we can’t have nice things. :)

RBS

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Anymouse  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:44:20pm

[error pesky image library grrr]

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:45:16pm

re: #116 Skip Intro

So he was cheating on his new wife too.

Utter scumbag.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:45:47pm

re: #118 petesh

Tag-team of women: Clinton & Warren

Then, when Donnie’s head explodes, Bill & Barack step in to bury the remains.

Leaving Christie weeping in the gazebo.

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wrenchwench  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:45:58pm

[…]

For centuries, black people have carved out spaces to affirm their blackness and humanity; and sexual minorities have established communities and gathering places meant to be refuges from queer antagonism and homophobia. This past weekend’s massacre is all the more reason for black churches to continue moving toward the full inclusion of LGBTQIA people — and for white-owned gay nightclubs to be more welcoming of communities of color.

[…]

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Anymouse  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:46:14pm

re: #121 Ziggy_TARDIS

So he was cheating on his new wife too.

Utter scumbag.

Or he was casing the place.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:46:57pm

re: #116 Skip Intro

Gunman Omar Mateen visited gay nightclub a dozen times before shooting, witness says

orlandosentinel.com

I figured there was a heck of a lot more to this story than was being conveyed by tweets, headlines and sound bytes.

126
Skip Intro  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:47:02pm

So I understand there was an armed guard at the club. Does anyone know if he survived?

127
Anymouse  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:47:39pm
Create your own Donald Trump slogan with the LGF Trump Bumper Sticker Generator! http://lgf.bz/1sAlIOa

There, that’s right. I don’t have a Twizzler or Faceplant account so I can’t put it there. Feel free to use it though yourselves. Frequently.

(Might have to insert it into one of my diaries on Daily Kos though).

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:47:43pm

re: #122 Decatur Deb

Leaving Christie weeping in the gazebo.

For what shall it profit a man, if he lose his own soul and gain only a short-term gig fetching snacks for an orange sociopath?

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ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:48:06pm

re: #88 Jay C

True, but as we have noticed, Senator, most terrorists prefer to use guns (specifically assault weapons like the AR-15). Might there not be a reason for that?

I wonder if anyone asked Sen. Johnson how many people at the Pulse nightclub Omar Matteen might have been able to kill with a baseball bat, a knife, or even a machete? Somewhere short of the 50 he got with guns, I’m sure….

Or his car. Don’t forget cars.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:48:13pm

Fact checking Trump’s speech. Asterisks are in short supply.

Because this is what Trump does to facts and reality:

And it that response to facts and reality that makes him absolutely unqualified to hold the office he seeks.

131
lawhawk  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:51:50pm

Oh, and there’s another mass shooting. Nothing major, just as the NRA insists. Just a couple of people killed in West Virginia and a gunman on the loose - LEOs calling that an active shooter situation.

Move along. Nothing to see here. Background noise. Exactly as the NRA wants.

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Skip Intro  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:51:51pm

re: #128 Blind Frog Belly White

For what shall it profit a man, if he lose his own soul and gain only a short-term gig fetching snacks for an orange sociopath?

It would be a kick to be in New Jersey, see Christie, and toss him a $5 for a big Mac and fries, keep the change.

133
Timothy Watson  Jun 13, 2016 • 4:53:25pm

re: #126 Skip Intro

So I understand there was an armed guard at the club. Does anyone know if he survived?

He was killed IIRC after exchanging gunfire.

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stpaulbear  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:03:37pm

re: #124 Anymouse

Or he was casing the place.

I read somewhere today (sorry I don’t have a link) that he would sit in the corner by himself or he’d get drunk and argue with people.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:06:54pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

How, pray tell, does one destroy radical Islam? If they know how, what are they waiting for? It’s an ideology, not something you can shoot or nuke or whatever. If it was possible, Israel would have rid itself of Hamas long ago. This notion is nothing more than a thinly concealed euphemism for genocide—we’ve already had GOP politicians speak of their willingness to nuke Muslims, carpet bomb them, kill the families of those who become terrorists, etc.

‘Cause, y’know, destroying the homes of the families of Palestinians involved in terrorist attacks also totally worked for the Israelis. What? You mean it didn’t solve the problem? Imagine that. //

Note: Sorry to keep bringing up Israel, but they can’t fix their problem with the Palestinians in a hostile conflict that’s approaching the 100-year mark, yet I’m supposed to believe some gun-humping right-wing American nutjob has the all the answers? M’kay, go over there to Israel and prove you can do it, then I’ll believe you.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:12:29pm

re: #135 CuriousLurker

New thread, of course. *sigh*

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:14:48pm

re: #136 CuriousLurker

New thread, of course. *sigh*

We love you all the same.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:16:11pm

re: #136 CuriousLurker

New thread, of course. *sigh*

It follows as the night, the day.

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Shimshon  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:29:44pm

re: #86 No Depression

TANF, food stamps, EBT, etc. Many conservatives believe these programs unfairly take from whites to provide for blacks.

Even though white people are the largest recipients of each.

140
jamesfirecat  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:41:09pm

re: #43 Aunty Entity Dragon

The Star War movie Attack of the Clones had some problems…but the line This is how liberty dies…with thunderous applause was right on the mark.

I want to upding you but that was actually from Revenge of the Sith.

Also, how am I the first person to notice this?

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Anymouse  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:41:54pm

re: #139 Shimshon

Even though white people are the largest recipients of each.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they thought African-Americans who receive military retirement or disabled veteran benefits are “taking” from “worthy” white disabled vets like me (who by the way they don’t care about either)

As I recall, I am part of Mitt Romney’s 47% (or at least until my wife started up as the village librarian).

* spit *

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:46:31pm

re: #140 jamesfirecat

I want to upding you but that was actually from Revenge of the Sith.

Also, how am I the first person to notice this?

Most of us want to pretend the prequels don’t exist?

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jamesfirecat  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:47:32pm

re: #142 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Most of us want to pretend the prequels don’t exist?

But if they didn’t exist we wouldn’t have Mr. Plinkett’s reviews of them!

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withak  Jun 13, 2016 • 5:50:56pm

re: #124 Anymouse

Or he was casing the place.

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Shimshon  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:06:17pm

re: #141 Anymouse

I wouldn’t be surprised if they thought African-Americans who receive military retirement or disabled veteran benefits are “taking” from “worthy” white disabled vets like me (who by the way they don’t care about either)

As I recall, I am part of Mitt Romney’s 47% (or at least until my wife started up as the village librarian).

* spit *

During the Bush years, the Republicans in Congress tried to cut veterans funding many times, and they still never got called on it by the liberal media. “support the troops” used against Democrats to question their patriotism though. A total joke.

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Anymouse  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:40:12pm

re: #145 Shimshon

During the Bush years, the Republicans in Congress tried to cut veterans funding many times, and they still never got called on it by the liberal media. “support the troops” used against Democrats to question their patriotism though. A total joke.

Yup, and during GHW Bush’s years (while I was in the Navy on an aircraft carrier) he said as an atheist I could not be patriotic nor should I be a citizen.

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Shimshon  Jun 13, 2016 • 6:57:15pm

re: #146 Anymouse

Yup, and during GHW Bush’s years (while I was in the Navy on an aircraft carrier) he said as an atheist I could not be patriotic nor should I be a citizen.

That’s right I forgot about that awful comment he made. He certainly was horrible at the time, I campaigned for Dukakis, but find myself missing the days of more moderate and honest Republicans who still would negotiate and work with the other side.

Can you help me understand why the military is so dedicated to voting Republican? What is it about the military that convinces kids who usually have no opportunities and rely on big government hand outs to become such rabid right wingers? They vote either Republican or Libertarian in such large numbers and it confuses the hell out of me. You’d think working with such diversity of people and seeing that “big government” describes them and the work they think is important would turn people into raging moderates. Or seeing the horrors of war it would turn people into liberals. I always scratch my head in amazement at how the most extreme conservatives and libertarians are created from the military industrial complex.

It is my opinion that this is the largest group still keeping the Republicans in power. If it wasn’t for the conservative factory creating new Republicans from military families I don’t see how they would be able to keep their power in Congress and help give almost 50 million total votes to such an awful candidate like Romney.

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Anymouse  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:04:12pm

re: #147 Shimshon

That’s right I forgot about that awful comment he made. He certainly was horrible at the time, I campaigned for Dukakis, but find myself missing the days of more moderate and honest Republicans who still would negotiate and work with the other side.

Can you help me understand why the military is so dedicated to voting Republican? What is it about the military that convinces kids who usually have no opportunities and rely on big government hand outs to become such rabid right wingers? They vote either Republican or Libertarian in such large numbers and it confuses the hell out of me. You’d think working with such diversity of people and seeing that “big government” describes them and the work they think is important would turn people into raging moderates. Or seeing the horrors of war it would turn people into liberals. I always scratch my head in amazement at how the most extreme conservatives and libertarians are created from the military industrial complex.

The problem on conservatives is more with officers than enlisted personnel (at least in my experience). The upper echelons of the military (the Pentagon) know who spends the money on weapons systems (my guess, I have no evidence other than my gut and seventeen years service).

For those who don’t think about politics much (and the indoctrination in the military is that the military is subservient to the government), it is fairly easy for the GOP to spread what amounts to a lie that they care about the military and vets.

It is because we have seen through that lie that people like Chief Warrant Officer Jim Wright (Stonekettle Station) and me (totally irrelevant) are liberals, even though both he and I own guns.

On the other hand, people like my former mayor (who served in the Vietnam War) are all in for the GOP, cause Nixon ended the war (spit). (Kissinger and Nixon are the reason my father was killed in Cambodia.) The former mayor could not understand why I was a Sanders supporter, so I filled him in on Sanders’s and Clintons’s actual support of veterans versus the GOP. (Even his own vet group, the American Legion, supported Sanders.)

He was a Trump supporter but has become disillusioned by the fascist talking yam and now says he will sit out the election.

Storms are arriving in town now… .

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Shimshon  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:11:57pm

re: #148 Anymouse

The problem on conservatives is more with officers than enlisted personnel (at least in my experience). The upper echelons of the military (the Pentagon) know who spends the money on weapons systems (my guess, I have no evidence other than my gut and seventeen years service).

For those who don’t think about politics much (and the indoctrination in the military is that the military is subservient to the government), it is fairly easy for the GOP to spread what amounts to a lie that they care about the military and vets.

It is because we have seen through that lie that people like Chief Warrant Officer Jim Wright (Stonekettle Station) and me (totally irrelevant) are liberals, even though both he and I own guns.

On the other hand, people like my former mayor (who served in the Vietnam War) are all in for the GOP, cause Nixon ended the war (spit). (Kissinger and Nixon are the reason my father was killed in Cambodia.) The former mayor could not understand why I was a Sanders supporter, so I filled him in on Sanders’s and Clintons’s actual support of veterans versus the GOP. (Even his own vet group, the American Legion, supported Sanders.)

He was a Trump supporter but has become disillusioned by the fascist talking yam and now says he will sit out the election.

Storms are arriving in town now… .

Thank you that is very interesting. Stay safe!

My father was briefly (I want to say 2 years but I do not remember and he passed from cancer 8 years ago) in the Army in between Korea and Vietnam, had a medical discharge because funny enough the new coats they introduced to the service or something he was deathly allergic to. Or so I was told. He was just a desk jockey because he could type on typewriters, lol. He always went to the VA for medication so he wasn’t kicked out, but we were definitely not a military family. I am sorry to hear that your father died in the Vietnam war. What a horrible decision to keep doubling down that was, JFK dying before he could pull the troops out was such a tragedy and RFK dying before he could be elected to end the war while as you correctly point out, Nixon deceiving everyone to continue it gets some credit for the end.

The military culture is all so foreign to me and horrifying how conservative the organization is. When the gun nuts talk about having to keep guns to protect themselves from government, what they don’t say is that it will be people like you and me who would be the targets of a military dictatorship, and the nuts would be cheering it on.

I knew that the Afghanistan and Iraq wars would build up the Republican base again, guaranteeing them new generations of voters. I have read that over 60% of all active service support Republicans and numbers are similar for veterans. Not just officers. The treatment Vietnam veterans received not from protesters but their own government denying them benefits was disgusting, and the GOP repeats the treatment with Iraq/Afghanistan vets. But who do the majority of those vets hate? Liberals, who “hate America” and “support the terrorists.” All we wanted was for them not to die unnecessarily along with hundreds of thousands of innocent people, and cause power vacuums that turned into ISIS and others. But instead of stepping back and admitting “we” were right about those wars, the conservatives go around acting like they were right and now ISIS is the fault of Obama and Hillary. Sigh.

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Anymouse  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:16:52pm

re: #149 Shimshon

Yeah, wingnuts claiming they could put down a tyrannical government would be swept away if we actually had one. The military would grind them all to dust.

That is why the best defence is actually a military that is subservient to the government. The only thing that would cause that doctrine to fail would be if an actual tyrant got in (like the fascist talking yam).

But the wingnuts are supporting him. Officially, the military must remain neutral and make no opinion on politics, but I’ll bet unofficially there might be talk of “Jumpin Jehosephat, what do we do if he gets in?”

There has never been a successful mutiny in the history of the US Armed Forces, but I’ll bet there would be one in a Trump presidency: calling for war crimes, violating the Posse Comitatus act, violating international treaties, you name it. A substantial portion (maybe nearly all) of the military simply would not stand for that.

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Shimshon  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:23:27pm

re: #150 Anymouse

Yeah, wingnuts claiming they could put down a tyrannical government would be swept away if we actually had one. The military would grind them all to dust.

That is why the best defence is actually a military that is subservient to the government. The only thing that would cause that doctrine to fail would be if an actual tyrant got in (like the fascist talking yam).

But the wingnuts are supporting him. Officially, the military must remain neutral and make no opinion on politics, but I’ll bet unofficially there might be talk of “Jumpin Jehosephat, what do we do if he gets in?”

There has never been a successful mutiny in the history of the US Armed Forces, but I’ll bet there would be one in a Trump presidency: calling for war crimes, violating the Posse Comitatus act, violating international treaties, you name it. A substantial portion (maybe nearly all) of the military simply would not stand for that.

I ninja edited my post a lot. Pretty scatterbrained today it’s hot outside. I expanded a lot on some of my points, sorry about that I thought you were gone for a while because of the storm!

I find it hard to believe the military will be scared of Trump running the show. They never made a peep when they were told to torture, divert attention from Afghanistan to go to Iraq, or all the other horrible things that went on in the W. Bush years. I imagine they are itching for a fight, too, since budgets are slowing or being lowered. They want a new excuse for more stuff, and Trump and a GOP Congress (God help us if this happens) will hand them blank checks.

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Anymouse  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:36:19pm

re: #151 Shimshon

I ninja edited my post a lot. Pretty scatterbrained today it’s hot outside. I expanded a lot on some of my points, sorry about that I thought you were gone for a while because of the storm!

I find it hard to believe the military will be scared of Trump running the show. They never made a peep when they were told to torture, divert attention from Afghanistan to go to Iraq, or all the other horrible things that went on in the W. Bush years. I imagine they are itching for a fight, too, since budgets are slowing or being lowered. They want a new excuse for more stuff, and Trump and a GOP Congress (God help us if this happens) will hand them blank checks.

The military still tries to uphold the law. I don’t think Trump is interested in the law or much else.

I went to FE Warren AFB in Cheyenne last month (my Sanders sticker is still on my car). FE Warren is the home base for the Air Force land based nuclear missile force. A whole bunch of people gave me thumbs-up or waved as I drove by. (I’m sure it was not because I am retired from the Navy, wear a trilby hat, or drive a Smart.)

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Shimshon  Jun 13, 2016 • 7:59:16pm

re: #152 Anymouse

The military still tries to uphold the law. I don’t think Trump is interested in the law or much else.

I went to FE Warren AFB in Cheyenne last month (my Sanders sticker is still on my car). FE Warren is the home base for the Air Force land based nuclear missile force. A whole bunch of people gave me thumbs-up or waved as I drove by. (I’m sure it was not because I am retired from the Navy, wear a trilby hat, or drive a Smart.)

I am sure a lot of military would be horrified, but the people in charge, and enough of those that follow their orders, won’t make a peep. Just like when Bush wanted to go to Iraq, the Pentagon was the driving force for propaganda. The widespread use of torture in Iraq and Afghanistan was cheered on, or swept under the rug. Republicans spit on the Geneva Convention on 9/12/01 and I’ve seen nothing that they have changed their mind today. I bet there would be a lot of people quitting if Trump was elected but the military as an organization would go along with anything he wants. Because he’s a Republican. And God forbid they vote Hillary, that’s why there is so much Sanders support from the military, they feel dirty voting for the Democratic party but find it acceptable because he is more libertarian in many of his beliefs. I like Sanders the best too out of all the candidates, but if many of them sit home or vote Trump/Libertarian clown car, we can get President Trump.

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Anymouse  Jun 13, 2016 • 8:02:07pm

re: #153 Shimshon

Unfortunately for the military, if an officer finds he cannot support the government’s position, he or she can resign his or her commission.

An enlisted person cannot do that. A refusal to follow orders means the brig or stockade, and in combat can get you executed.


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