Video: President Obama Destroys the Absurd Conservative Talking Point About “Radical Islam”

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I’ve been making the point frequently at LGF and on Twitter and Facebook that the insistence by many conservatives — including Donald Trump, of course — that President Obama has to say the magic words “radical Islam” or we’ll never be able to defeat ISIS is a talking point so ridiculous and stupid it’s amazing anyone actually falls for it. Here’s President Obama finally pushing back against this right wing idiocy, and it’s beautifully said.

BARACK OBAMA: For a while now, the main contribution of some of my friends on the other side of the aisle have made in the fight against ISIL is to criticize this administration and me for not using the phrase radical Islam. That’s the key, they tell us. We can’t beat ISIL unless we call them radical Islamists. What exactly would using this label accomplish? What exactly would it change? Would it make ISIL less committed to trying to kill Americans? Would it bring in more allies? Is there a military strategy that is served by this? The answer is none of the above. Calling a threat by a different name does not make it go away. This is a political distraction. 

Since before I was president, I’ve been clear about how extremist groups have perverted Islam to justify terrorism. As president, I have repeatedly called on our Muslim friends and allies at home and around the world to work with us to reject this twisted interpretation of one of the world’s great religions. There’s not been a moment in my seven and a half years as president where we have not been able to pursue a strategy because we didn’t use the label radical Islam. Not once has an advisor of mine said, man, if we really use that phrase, we’re going to turn this whole thing around. Not once. 

So someone seriously thinks that we don’t know who we’re fighting? If there’s anyone out there who thinks we’re confused about who our enemies are, that would come as a surprise to the thousands of terrorists who we’ve taken off the battlefield. If the implication is that those of us up here and the thousands of people around the country and around the world who are working to defeat ISIL aren’t taking the fight seriously, that would come as a surprise to those whove spent these last 7.5 years dismantling al-Qaeda and the Fatah for example. Including the men and women in uniform who put their lives at risk and the special forces that I ordered to get bin Laden and are now on the ground in Iraq and in Syria. They know full well who the enemy is. So do the intelligence and law enforcement officers who spent countless hours disrupting plots and protecting all Americans, including politicians who tweet and appear on cable news shows. They know who the nature of the enemy is. 

So there’s no magic to the phrase radical Islam. It’s a political talking point. It’s not a strategy. And the reason I am careful about how I describe this threat has nothing to do with political correctness and everything to do with actually defeating extremism. Groups like ISIL and al-Qaeda want to make this war a war between Islam and America or between Islam and the west. They want to claim that they are the true leaders of over a billion Muslims around the world who reject their crazy notions. They want us to validate them by implying that they speak for those billion plus people. That they speak for Islam. That’s their propaganda. That’s how they recruit. And if we fall into the trap of painting all Muslims with a broad brush and imply that we are at war with an entire religion, then we are doing the terrorists’ work for them.

(Transcript via Media Matters.)

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301 comments

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:08:01am

This is what leadership looks like Donald. This is what patriotism looks like.

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:08:44am
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jaunte  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:09:05am

And for contrast:

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withak  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:09:25am

How about radical Christianity?

“Are you sad that 50 pedophiles were killed today?” he said in the sermon. “Um no, I think that’s great! I think that helps society. I think Orlando, Florida is a little safer tonight.”

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:10:07am
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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:10:07am

Anderson taking it to Pam Bondi for her history of homophobic and anti-gay rhetoric. Good job.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:11:24am

President Obama: “…if we fall into the trap of painting all Muslims with a broad brush and imply that we are at war with an entire religion, then we are doing the terrorist’s work for them.”

Conservatives appear to want a holy war, and Trump is willing to give it to them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:11:37am
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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:14:12am
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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:14:30am
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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:14:52am

This should be spread far and wide.

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Lidane  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:14:53am

The poo flinging howler monkeys on the right are reacting exactly as you’d expect.

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wrenchwench  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:15:58am

re: #4 withak

How about radical Christianity?

There is another one in Tucson.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:16:52am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:20:09am

BEETLEJUICE!
BEETLEJUICE!
BEETLEJUICE!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:21:00am

re: #6 InfidelOfFreedom

Anderson taking it to Pam Bondi for her history of homophobic and anti-gay rhetoric. Good job.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:21:51am

re: #15 GlutenFreeJesus

BEETLEJUICE!
BEETLEJUICE!
BEETLEJUICE!

CANDYMAN!
CANDYMAN!
CANDYMAN!

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Joe Bacon  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:22:08am

Gasp! Miss Lindsay said a nasty word!

talkingpointsmemo.com

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:22:48am

Missed Hoft coming out. How pathetic he only came out for entirely hateful reasons.

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Lidane  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:23:13am
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wrenchwench  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:24:09am

re: #19 Nyet

Missed Hoft coming out. How pathetic he only came out for entirely hateful reasons.

Same reasons he stayed in so long.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:24:34am

re: #3 jaunte

And for contrast:

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Yes Newt! Let’s bring back HUAC to go after terrorist groups like the NRA!!!!!!

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EPR-radar  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:24:39am

Of course if Obama were to start using the term “radical Islam” in his statements, the right wing noise machine would immediately declare this to be the worst thing ever.

Emissions from the right wing noise machine are among the most meaningless “attempts” at communication in all of history.

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Lidane  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:25:15am
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BeachDem  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:26:59am

re: #3 jaunte

And for contrast:

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An apt description of Newt:

a former assistant professor of history and substitute metal-shop teacher at Bugtussle Regional State College And Live Bait Barge

esquire.com

As always, Charles P. Pierce has a way with words.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:27:37am

re: #21 wrenchwench

And him being gay doesn’t mean he’s not a pathetic homophobe at the same time. A quick search at his site confirms it.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:27:59am

Right after the president walked off from his speech, MSNBC had some congressman on that immediately said the enemy needs to be defined and Roosevelt knew to call out the Nazis and Reagan the Communists. It helps to clearly know who the enemy is.

I guess saying they are terrorists just isn’t enough.

I was not watching closely and didn’t catch the congressman’s name or party. I think they said he was a committee head. By the comments I am pretty sure it is safe to say he was a Republican…though I could be wrong. All I know is some people just seem incapable of helping themselves even when they just had their heads handed to them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:28:01am

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:28:21am
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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:29:00am

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sad that it took an act of pure evil for Pam to admit that LGBTQ people are “human beings” as she said over and over. I guess this qualifies as a revelation for her. Will she and her cohorts finally admit that hatred has consequences?

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:29:05am

re: #26 Nyet

And him being gay doesn’t mean he’s not a pathetic homophobe at the same time. A quick search at his site confirms it.

A raging homophobe closet case, just like the gunman may have been.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:29:24am

re: #30 InfidelOfFreedom

Sad that it took an act of pure evil for Pam to admit that LGBTQ people are “human beings” as she said over and over. I guess this qualifies as a revelation for her. Will she and her cohorts finally admit that hatred has consequences?

No, they won’t.

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:31:11am

OT, but this passed mah feeds:
Vaccine-caused illness cured by hidden TV cameras

After receiving a flu shot, Desiree Jennings could only walk backwards and spoke with a funny accent. But the “rare disease” triggered by the sinister vaccine was, fortunately, transient.

Inside Edition secretly taped her for weeks and “it looks like you made a complete recovery!”

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EPR-radar  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:31:35am

re: #30 InfidelOfFreedom

Sad that it took an act of pure evil for Pam to admit that LGBTQ people are “human beings” as she said over and over. I guess this qualifies as a revelation for her. Will she and her cohorts finally admit that hatred has consequences?

No. Conservatives and Republicans will get back to hating on gay people very soon.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:32:24am
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wrenchwench  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:32:45am

re: #31 Timothy Watson

A raging homophobe closet case, just like the gunman may have been.

They may have had their own table in the back. That could be why Hoft had to come out now.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:32:49am

re: #27 ObserverArt

Right after the president walked off from his speech, MSNBC had some congressman on that immediately said the enemy needs to be defined and Roosevelt knew to call out the Nazis and Reagan the Communists. It helps to clearly know who the enemy is.

I guess saying they are terrorists just isn’t enough.

I was not watching closely and didn’t catch the congressman’s name or party. I think they said he was a committee head. By the comments I am pretty sure it is safe to say he was a Republican…though I could be wrong. All I know is some people just seem incapable of helping themselves even when they just had their heads handed to them.

Just did a Google image search and found images of all the senate and congress committee heads.

The guy that I heard is Michael McCaul. Look at what committee he heads and where he is from. No surprises.

Michael Thomas McCaul, Sr. is the U.S. Representative for Texas’s 10th congressional district, serving since 2005. Since the beginning of the 113th Congress, he has been the Chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:33:25am

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hehehehe, you said Titicaca.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:35:14am

John Shelby Spong, a retired Anglican Bishop, made a strong case that St. Paul was a repressed, self-loathing homosexual, so our Orlando shooter was just following in a long and vaunted tradition…

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iossarian  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:35:17am

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I talk about presidential candidates every other day. Yesterday and tomorrow, but never today.”

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:35:31am

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

Naw, Obama’s an animagus, along with being a Time Lord. It explains so much.

He knows the three forbidden curses/spells:
Imperius
Cruciatus
Avada Kedavra

Plus, the one thing no one knows is his true name. //////////////////////////////

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:36:15am

re: #41 lawhawk

Islamicus Radicalis!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:38:33am

re: #42 Nyet

Islamicus Radicalis!

Allahootenany Akhbar!!!

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:38:47am

re: #34 EPR-radar

No. Conservatives and Republicans will get back to hating on gay people very soon.

Are they even pausing?

The standard religious talkers have made it very clear that this was not a tragedy. The political talkers have appropriated the incident to push fear about terrorism. They can’t actually engage with the point at a level deeper than a surface assessment of “scary Muslims hate gays” because they depend on a base of people who are totally down with hating gays.

Actually addressing that hating homosexuality results in people hurting gay people—whether justified by Leviticus, the sura about the people of Lut, or just plain revulsion—they have not done.

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:38:58am
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Lidane  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:39:14am
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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:39:49am

Wow. My article about Hoft coming out now has well over 22,000 social media shares.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:40:01am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:40:51am

The Return of Tail Gunner Joe

Tell me, who decides?

Who decides what this nation will become?

Who decides what legacy we will leave our children?

Who decides how America will be remembered by history?

Who decides if we will be nation of tolerance and freedom, an example to the world, a shining city upon the hill…

… or whether we will be a nation of barbed wire and secret police?

Who decides that?

Read the rest of it at the link.
Once again, Jim nails it.

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wrenchwench  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:41:58am

re: #47 Charles Johnson

Wow. My article about Hoft coming out now has well over 22,000 social media shares.

And 18 updings! (One very recent.)

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:43:13am

re: #17 Nyet

CANDYMAN!
CANDYMAN!
CANDYMAN!

TRUMP!
TRUMP!
TRUMP!

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:43:37am

re: #47 Charles Johnson

Wow. My article about Hoft coming out now has well over 22,000 social media shares.

I took a quick look at Facebook this morning, and not one but two of my friends shared the link!

Of course I jumped in on their comments and invited them to the party. :)

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EPR-radar  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:44:09am

re: #44 The Ghost of a Flea

Are they even pausing?

The standard religious talkers have made it very clear that this was not a tragedy. The political talkers have appropriated the incident to push fear about terrorism. They can’t actually engage with the point at a level deeper than a surface assessment of “scary Muslims hate gays” because they depend on a base of people who are totally down with hating gays.

Actually addressing that hating homosexuality results in people hurting gay people—whether justified by Leviticus, the sura about the people of Lut, or just plain revulsion—they have not done.

All of this is true. The only thing that has changed for most RWNJs, and it will be a very temporary change, is that for now a large number of dead and injured GLBT people is being regarded by conservatives as a bad thing.

Normally RWNJs would view that as a blessing from God, but that sentiment is temporarily stifled because they know it would be politically damaging.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:45:18am
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CuriousLurker  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:45:43am

The reason the right wants “radical Islam“used in every reference to a terrorist attack by a Muslim group or individual is because it creates a strong association in people’s minds between Islam and terrorism—i.e. not an association between specific radical groups or individuals who happen to be Muslim and use Islam to justify their violence, but the entire religion and all its adherents.

The first thing they want people to think of when they hear the word “Islam” (or “Muslim”) is terrorism—extremism, death, destruction, etc.—and vice versa. It works very well, doesn’t it? Be honest, how many of you hear the word “terrorist” or “terrorism” and don’t immediately think of Muslims/Islam? Hell, I’m Muslim and they’ve even trained me to have that Pavlovian reaction—you can’t be exposed to politicians & the media constantly using the words together and not associate them.

I’m not saying everyone who has that initial knee-jerk reaction is a bigot because they’re not. Most people with good critical thinking skills will quickly realize they’re being manipulated—but there are also a LOT of people who either 1) don’t have good critical thinking skills, 2) have good critical thinking skills, but are bigots anyway, or 3) are public figures who want to profit from 1 & 2 (be it political or monetary profit).

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:46:50am

The Draggening has begun

Trump was not directly saying that he believes the president sympathizes with the terrorist who killed at least 49 people in an Orlando nightclub. He was implying that a lot of people are saying that.

Trump frequently couches his most controversial comments this way, which allows him to share a controversial idea, piece of tabloid gossip or conspiracy theory without technically embracing it. If the comment turns out to be popular, Trump will often drop the distancing qualifier — “people think” or “some say.” If the opposite happens, Trump can claim that he never said the thing he is accused of saying, equating it to retweeting someone else’s thoughts on Twitter.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:46:54am

re: #47 Charles Johnson

Wow. My article about Hoft coming out now has well over 22,000 social media shares.

Google: Jim Hoft Gay (no quotes)

77,900 results

LGF is listed fourth

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CuriousLurker  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:47:28am

re: #19 Nyet

Missed Hoft coming out. How pathetic he only came out for entirely hateful reasons.

And is apparently completely oblivious to the irony of it.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:47:57am

Oh boy, Erick son of Erick has a doozy of a derp today.

I’ll try to transcribe shortly.

The short of it—tries to blame decadent western secularism for Orlando shooting.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:49:31am

re: #59 Sir John Barron

Oh boy, Erick son of Erick has a doozy of a derp today.

I’ll try to transcribe shortly.

The short of it—tries to blame decadent western secularism for Orlando shooting.

I am not shocked. This is exactly why I wasn’t giving him an atta boy for hating Trump.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:50:47am

re: #59 Sir John Barron

Oh boy, Erick son of Erick has a doozy of a derp today.

I’ll try to transcribe shortly.

The short of it—tries to blame decadent western secularism for Orlando shooting.

Yea didn’t someone else have issues with decadent western secularism?

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:50:54am

re: #54 Shiplord Kirel

Amarillo SWAT team has killed the Walmart shooter. No other injuries reported.

Expect a monumental derpstorm if the deceased dipshit turns out to be a Somali, though it was obviously work related (one hostage, both were employees and apparently knew each other). If he is a white ‘merkin expect the usual crickets.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:51:11am

re: #59 Sir John Barron

Oh boy, Erick son of Erick has a doozy of a derp today.

I’ll try to transcribe shortly.

The short of it—tries to blame decadent western secularism for Orlando shooting.

“The neo-pagan West, filled with a secular cult of death just as pernicious as Islam, but wrapped up in compassion and choice, instead of conquest and caliphate, cannot calm the cry of the voice in the silence.”

There’s more but I’ll spare you.

But this “secular cult of death…wrapped up in compassion” is just….just

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wrenchwench  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:51:35am

re: #55 CuriousLurker

The reason the right wants “radical Islam“used in every reference to a terrorist attack by a Muslim group or individual is because it creates a strong association in people’s minds between Islam and terrorism—i.e. not an association between specific radical groups or individuals who happen to be Muslim and use Islam to justify their violence, but the entire religion and all its adherents.

The first thing they want people to think of when they hear the word “Islam” (or “Muslim”) is terrorism—extremism, death, destruction, etc.—and vice versa. It works very well, doesn’t it? Be honest, how many of you hear the word “terrorist” or “terrorism” and don’t immediately think of Muslims/Islam? Hell, I’m Muslim and they’ve even trained me to have that Pavlovian reaction—you can’t be exposed to politicians & the media constantly using the words together and not associate them.

I’m not saying everyone who has that initial knee-jerk reaction is a bigot because they’re not. Most people with good critical thinking skills will quickly realize they’re being manipulated—but there are also a LOT of people who either 1) don’t have good critical thinking skills, 2) have good critical thinking skills, but are bigots anyway, or 3) are public figures who want to profit from 1 & 2 (be it political or monetary profit).

At this point in this country, the commodification of hate of Muslims is much easier than the commodification of the hate of the LGBT community.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:51:39am

good grief

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:51:41am

So Christie is calling for a military response and Newt wants HUAC to make a comeback. Remind me again why the Republican Party should be trusted with any sort of executive power?

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Khal Wimpo (no longer entitled to his own facts)  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:51:45am

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

No, they won’t.

Just published a page of all the people who “Stand With Omar Mateen.”

There are a lot of ingredients in this toxic stew. Gay-bashing, easy access to assault rifles, anger stoked by religious fundamentalism, disempowered losers encouraged to view violence as a solution for all of life’s little problems.

Stand up and take a bow: Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Wayne LaPierre, Michelle Bachman, Donald Trump, Rick Santorum, Ann Coulter, Rick Perry, et al.

Why so shy? Are you not proud of your handiwork?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:52:12am

re: #61 InfidelOfFreedom

Yea didn’t someone else have issues with decadent western secularism?

Sam something. Sam O’Lad.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:52:52am

I propose we send all our LGBT hating Republicans somewhere that would be paradise for them. If even for a short vacation to see what their utopia would be like. Guns for everyone. No LGBT relationships of any kind. I’m sure they’d love their new homeland of Nigeria.

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EPR-radar  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:53:12am

re: #63 Sir John Barron

“The neo-pagan West, filled with a secular cult of death just as pernicious as Islam, but wrapped up in compassion and choice, instead of conquest and caliphate, cannot calm the cry of the voice in the silence.”

There’s more but I’ll spare you.

But this “secular cult of death…wrapped up in compassion” is just….just

That’s a rare level of projection, even for a RWNJ.

“secular cult of death…wrapped up in compassion” may be the most perfect summary of the ‘pro-life’ movement I’ve seen.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:53:24am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:53:25am

re: #62 Shiplord Kirel

Expect a monumental derpstorm if the deceased dipshit turns out to be a Somali, though it was obviously work related (one hostage, both were employees and apparently knew each other). If he is a white ‘merkin expect the usual crickets.

“Lone wolf…mental illness…nobody could have predicted…”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:53:33am

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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I hope they realize that will make it less likely their attempts to get their issues added to the platform. Bernie seems hellbent on discrediting Democratic Socialism in this country by being a dick.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:54:18am

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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Who?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:54:19am

re: #66 HappyWarrior

So Christie is calling for a military response and Newt wants HUAC to make a comeback. Remind me again why the Republican Party should be trusted with any sort of executive power?

Yes it is quite an accomplishment, these two.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:54:45am

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Newsflash RNC, the man who shot up the club in Orlando was an American citizen who was able to buy a gun. You can’t accuse Obama of lacking leadership when your party opposes every possible measure to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and terrorists. Fuck the RNC and their guns above humanity bullshit.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:54:56am

re: #74 Testy Toad T

Who?

Dunno, saw him yelling at some clouds earlier.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:55:00am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:55:01am

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

The BernieorBustBros are going to be even more insufferable.

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iossarian  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:55:37am

re: #63 Sir John Barron

“The neo-pagan West, filled with a secular cult of death just as pernicious as Islam, but wrapped up in compassion and choice, instead of conquest and caliphate, cannot calm the cry of the voice in the silence.”

There’s more but I’ll spare you.

But this “secular cult of death…wrapped up in compassion” is just….just

“The only answer to crazy people who think God’s telling them to kill people is for us to become crazy people who think God’s telling us to kill people.”

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Khal Wimpo (no longer entitled to his own facts)  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:55:53am

re: #76 HappyWarrior

Newsflash RNC, the man who shot up the club in Orlando was an American citizen who was able to buy a gun. You can’t accuse Obama of lacking leadership when your party opposes every possible measure to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and terrorists. Fuck the RNC and their guns above humanity bullshit.

Rush Limbaugh. Patron saint of angry, gun-toting ignoramuses everywhere. Hates gays. Ideological mirror image of Omar Mateen.
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Jenner7  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:55:54am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:56:38am

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s because the Republican Congress is filled with people who literally think the President is an actual terrorist sympathizer. And I’ll point out again that shithead Romney after Benghazi happened initially accused the President of sympathizing with the people who murdered Ambassador Stevens and the other three people.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:56:47am

I’m trying to find up to date actual information about the Hillary email investigation that isn’t a bunch of hysterical wingnut/moonbat derp. Any suggestions? (Paywalled out of Washington Post, sadly)

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Stanley Sea  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:56:54am

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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He is so far from the front pages now. It should be obvious to him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:57:24am

And even more weirdness about the guy who drove to LA with a vehicle full of weapons and explosives:

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Shimshon  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:57:38am

Conservatives and their voters are obsessed over optics. That’s how they were tricked into being conservative in the first place. Being manipulated by propaganda. To them it’s more important to put a yellow ribbon on your car and say “support the troops” than it is to actually support them with proper funding. Same with gun violence. They know that gun control can lower mass shootings but they’d rather turn the debate into anything else, from fake support for “mental health” to blaming demographics like Muslims.

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iossarian  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:57:42am

re: #84 The Vicious Babushka

Helpful summary of RWNJ charges against Hillary:

- sent some emails
- is Hillary Clinton

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EPR-radar  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:58:29am

re: #64 wrenchwench

At this point in this country, the commodification of hate of Muslims is much easier than the commodification of the hate of the LGBT community.

Scapegoating others for political gain, as the Republicans seek to do in the US, is truly evil.

That isn’t just a slippery slope to Nazism. It’s a railroad line with no other possible destination.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:58:35am

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is getting sad. Sad and pathetic.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:58:44am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:59:32am

re: #89 EPR-radar

Scapegoating others for political gain, as the Republicans seek to do in the US, is truly evil.

That isn’t just a slippery slope to Nazism. It’s a railroad line with no other possible destination.

The Republican Party’s road to power is often filled with scapegoated groups.

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EPR-radar  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:00:02pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

Republicans approve of the kind of domestic terrorism these ATF agents would be tasked with opposing.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:00:52pm

“…An individual cannot represent a culture or civilization,” Ghani said in response to news of Trump renewing his call for a U.S. travel ban on Muslims and people from countries with a history of terrorism.

Some Afghans are worried that Afghans and Afghan-Americans are being painted as could-be terrorists.

“There are thousands of other Afghans who have been serving America and American people without threatening U.S. security,” Shaheedulla Mubariz, an economics professor at a university in Kabul, told The WorldPost by phone.

Thousands of Afghans who served as interpreters and support staff for U.S. forces in Afghanistan from 2001-2014 are still trying to seek asylum in the United States, in fear of their lives. The Taliban is known to murder those perceived as loyal to the United States.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:00:56pm

re: #88 iossarian

Helpful summary of RWNJ charges against Hillary:

- sent some emails
- is Hillary Clinton

re: #82 Jenner7

Well, there you go. Trump pretty much went where he was hinting at yesterday.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:01:04pm

re: #54 Shiplord Kirel

Amarillo SWAT team has killed the Walmart shooter. No other injuries reported.

No “good guys with guns” to save the day? What gives, Texas?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:02:18pm

re: #94 jaunte

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A lot of Afghans including a high school classmate of mine were persecuted by the Taliban back when the American right wing had no idea who the Taliban were or if they did were indifferent to their religious theocracy.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:02:24pm

re: #88 iossarian

Helpful summary of RWNJ charges against Hillary:

- sent some emails
- is Hillary Clinton

also might have received some emails.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:02:28pm

re: #96 Dr. Matt

No “good guys with guns” to save the day? What gives, Texas?

They’re all in Lubbock digging in for the UN invasion.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:03:19pm

Andrea Mitchell: President Obama ‘just eviscerated Donald Trump in that extraordinary speech’

Wow. A GOP water-carrier like Mitchell actually sided with Obama. Trump is weak. Sad. Terrible.

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Jenner7  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:04:46pm

re: #84 The Vicious Babushka

This, from four days ago:

The FBI has not yet interviewed Clinton as part of its investigation. As CNN first reported, investigators have not found evidence to support criminal charges against Clinton and none are expected, but no final determination will be made until that interview has taken place.

cnn.com

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:05:05pm

California pastor rejoices in massacre at Orlando gay club: ‘The tragedy is that more of them didn’t die’

Add to that mutant in Tucson. Both Baptists. 50 years ago, the various Baptist conventions would have swatted these quacks like bugs. Today, it’s mainstream.

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Shimshon  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:06:55pm

re: #102 Shiplord Kirel

California pastor rejoices in massacre at Orlando gay club: ‘The tragedy is that more of them didn’t die’

Add to that mutant in Tucson. Both Baptists. 50 years ago, the various Baptist conventions would have swatted these quacks like bugs. Today, it’s mainstream.

Copy-cat. There was that Arizona pastor who said the exact same thing yesterday. This guy just wants to get into the news too. I’m sure both need new private jets donated by God their sheep.

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Mattand  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:07:12pm

Charles, your podcast affiliate needs to read this post. Bob and Chez are going to break their arms this week, mainly from patting themselves on the backs because they’re liberals who are courageous enough to say “radical Islam.”

One set of Bill Maher and Sam Harris is more than enough.

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BeachDem  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:07:50pm

Gotta go vote in the Republican primary (we have no Dem candidate) for the decent guy (who used to be a Democrat) who Nikki Haley hates with the heat of a thousand suns.

That’s enough reason to vote for him, but the Club For Growth candidate Nikki and the gang are supporting against him is described (by a right-wing blog) as:

a local financial planner by the name of Scott Pyle - an evangelical Christian…an organizer of a local Baptist “Beach Church” and leader of a men’s prayer group…Pyle has tangled on multiple occasions with good government activists on the South Carolina coast. We’re also told he’s left more than a few unhappy clients in his wake at the various firms where he has plied his financial service wares.

I guess it’s worth getting Republican mail and phone calls to keep this whackadoodle out of government.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:07:55pm
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Testy Toad T  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:08:35pm

re: #103 Shimshon

Copy-cat. There was that Arizona pastor who said the exact same thing yesterday. This guy just wants to get into the news too. I’m sure both need new private jets donated by God their sheep.

I looked up the Arizona one, and it’s backed by a trailer park, and is in a strip mall that includes a pawn shop and a cell phone store.

I don’t think those sheep are buying many private jets.

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blueraven  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:10:21pm

Bernie is holding a press conference right now.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:10:27pm

re: #106 FormerDirtDart

Thankfully he only had an air rifle.

What a difference it makes.

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wrenchwench  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:10:51pm

re: #107 Testy Toad T

I looked up the Arizona one, and it’s backed by a trailer park, and is in a strip mall that includes a pawn shop and a cell phone store.

I don’t think those sheep are buying many private jets.

You should see his air-conditioning bill!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:11:14pm

re: #109 Nyet

Thankfully he only had an air rifle.

What a difference it makes.

It really does.

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Jenner7  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:11:25pm

Here’s Bernie trying to stay relevant.

Sigh…

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wrenchwench  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:12:23pm

re: #106 FormerDirtDart

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Police, who responded to the scene, searched the man’s apartment and found an air rifle and ammunition. However, the suspect was not detained because “there were no grounds for arrest,” a police spokesperson told AFP.

“It is unclear if the act was politically motivated,” the police said, adding that the investigation was ongoing.

[…]

I was going to say ‘Germany’s weird’, but as an American, I have no room to talk.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:12:35pm

gaaahhh

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wrenchwench  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:13:40pm

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaahhh

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You’re gonna need a bigger eraser, Scott.

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:13:46pm

re: #102 Shiplord Kirel

California pastor rejoices in massacre at Orlando gay club: ‘The tragedy is that more of them didn’t die’

Add to that mutant in Tucson. Both Baptists. 50 years ago, the various Baptist conventions would have swatted these quacks like bugs. Today, it’s mainstream.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:14:00pm

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaahhh

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Remember when Brown was held up as a model “moderate” Republican? Those were the days my friend.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:14:01pm

re: #108 blueraven

Bernie is holding a press conference right now.

Is he still going to continue is fight to….something, something, something….

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:14:17pm

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaahhh

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That’s like saying Dylann Roof did not primarily target Black people.

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blueraven  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:14:23pm

Bernie is way out of his element when speaking about subjects like ISIS.
Also, a bit late.

He wants a “fundamental transformation” of the Democratic Party.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:15:13pm

re: #120 blueraven

Bernie is way out of his element when speaking about subjects like ISIS.
Also, a bit late.

He wants a “fundamental transformation” of the Democratic Party.

He wants a transformation of a party he’s done very little for and has only been a member for little under a year. Yeah I’m sorry Bernie but the Democratic Party isn’t yours.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:16:47pm

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth
I’m still trying to figure out what’s going on with the guy wearing a purple wig holding the Trump sign.

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withak  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:17:46pm

re: #122 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m still trying to figure out what’s going on with the guy wearing a purple wig holding the Trump sign.

Mushrooms.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:17:47pm

re: #116 Kragar

Plus Leviticus.

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blueraven  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:18:14pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

He wants a transformation of a party he’s done very little for and has only been a member for little under a year. Yeah I’m sorry Bernie but the Democratic Party isn’t yours.

He should just form a new Democratic Socialist party if that’s what he wants.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:18:38pm

Bernie should fundamentally transform into a bird and fly away.

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TedStriker  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:19:16pm

re: #125 blueraven

He should just form a new Democratic Socialist party if that’s what he wants.

That’s too much like real work…why build a new party from the ground up, when you can hijack an existing one and remake it in your image?

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Jenner7  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:19:30pm

Nope. We’re not changing to open primaries.

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:19:41pm

re: #122 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m still trying to figure out what’s going on with the guy wearing a purple wig holding the Trump sign.

Me too! I thought it was a photoshop job.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:20:13pm

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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He’s on MSNBC right now rattling on about how there needs to be a new Democratic party, new leadership, reforms of primaries, etc.

So, he’s a Democrat now right?

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Jenner7  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:20:35pm

It’s funny he is bitching about long lines, but is silent on caucuses.

Or did he say something about that? I had to step away for a minute.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:21:05pm

re: #128 Jenner7

All primaries should be closed, since it’s Democrats choosing a Dem nominee.
And no caucuses, since it’s voter disenfranchisement.

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withak  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:21:49pm

re: #132 Nyet

All primaries should be closed, since it’s Democrats choosing a Dem nominee.
And no caucuses, since it’s voter disenfranchisement.

Minnesota just switched from caucus to primary, so I won’t be disenfranchised anymore.

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wrenchwench  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:21:53pm

Lyle Lovett & His Large Band - Church

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mr.fusion  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:22:05pm

I actually wrote a page here on LGF a few months ago on this very subject. I do disagree however with those that say they’re just words and don’t have any effect. They do have an effect. Using the term “Islam” to describe these people gives legitimacy to the radicals who are attempting to use religion to justify their actions.

littlegreenfootballs.com

The only way to delegitimize the actions of these monsters is to take away their religious authority. What the right-wing doesn’t seem to understand is that by referring to these monsters as “Islamists” they are doing more to legitimize their efforts than anything Obama has ever done.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:22:11pm

re: #132 Nyet

All primaries should be closed, since it’s Democrats choosing a Dem nominee.
And no caucuses, since it’s voter disenfranchisement.

Abso-froggin’-lutely.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:23:04pm

re: #116 Kragar

Where Christian preachers from the US went to Uganda and got them to basically criminalize homosexuality, complete with death penalty (though the law was ultimately made life sentence, and the courts have stayed it from enactment).

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blueraven  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:23:51pm

Holy Hell…

You might imagine this awesome executive power would be hamstrung with checks and balances, but by law, custom and congressional deference there may be no responsibility where the president has more absolute control. There is no advice and consent by the Senate. There is no second-guessing by the Supreme Court. Even ordering the use of torture—which Trump infamously once said he would do, insisting the military “won’t refuse. They’re not gonna refuse me”—imposes more legal constraints on a president than ordering a nuclear attack.

Read more: politico.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:24:17pm

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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I’m watching Bernie now. Is he wearing orange makeup, like Trump?

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:24:40pm

re: #133 withak

‘Grats!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:26:43pm

re: #130 ObserverArt

He’s on MSNBC right now rattling on about how there needs to be a new Democratic party, new leadership, reforms of primaries, etc.

So, he’s a Democrat now right?

This basically sounds like a tantrum because he lost under the same rules that Clinton lost to Obama in. Bernie’s someone who while he’s not a racist does not comprehend nor appreciate the Democratic Party’s cultural diversity as a virtue.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:26:58pm

re: #2 Kragar

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What Obama would call “doing stupid shit.”

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KGxvi  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:27:09pm

re: #7 jaunte

President Obama: “…if we fall into the trap of painting all Muslims with a broad brush and imply that we are at war with an entire religion, then we are doing the terrorist’s work for them.”

Conservatives appear to want a holy war, and Trump is willing to give it to them.

I think it’s mostly the Christianist social conservative types that want a holy war. Which shouldn’t be too surprising, religious fundamentalism, at the end of the day, is the same the world over regardless of the name of the particular god(s) invoked or rituals practiced.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:27:41pm

There was this slew of comparisons between the D primary and Lord of the Rings. Like, Hillary is Saruman, Trump is Sauron, Bernie is Gandalf. Including a very silly - and so all the more popular (at that time) diary at DKos.

Sorry, but Bernie looks more and more like Saruman.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:28:03pm
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BeachDem  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:28:10pm

re: #128 Jenner7

Nope. We’re not changing to open primaries.

I’m anti open primaries, but since south by dog carolina insists on them, I voted in the Republican one just now to keep the Nikki Haley/Club for Growth whackadoo candidate from winning against a decent guy (who used to be a Dem.)

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:29:27pm
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Jenner7  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:30:07pm
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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:31:45pm

re: #147 Kragar

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I own guns and are something of a gun aficionado (although I haven’t purchase one in years because fuck the NRA) and I would assume that the gun used was based off the AR-15 just from the pictures.

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withak  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:31:59pm

re: #148 Jenner7

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I never want to hear the words “Chris Christie” and “explosive briefs” paired ever again.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:32:06pm

re: #148 Jenner7

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Christie is a much bigger crook than Corzine was from what I can see.

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KGxvi  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:32:51pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

Christie is a much bigger crook than Corzine was from what I can see.

Isn’t that pretty much a feature, not a bug, when it comes to New Jersey?

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:33:11pm

re: #150 withak

Explosive briefs? Wasn’t that some other terrorist?

/

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:33:58pm
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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:34:30pm

re: #152 KGxvi

Isn’t that pretty much a feature, not a bug, when it comes to New Jersey Republicans?

FTFY

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blueraven  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:34:49pm

Patience Carter, a young black woman who survived the Orlando attack wrote this poem from her hospital bed.
Tears.

“The guilt of feeling grateful to be alive is heavy. Wanting to smile about surviving but not sure if the people around you are ready, as the world mourns the victims killed and viciously slain,I feel guilty about screaming about my legs and pain…Because I could feel nothing
Like the other 49, who weren’t so lucky to feel this pain of mine. I never thought in a million years that this could happen.
I never thought in a million years that my eyes could witness something so tragic.
Looking at the souls leaving the bodies of individuals.
Looking at the killer’s machine gun throughout my right peripheral.
Looking at the blood and debris covered on everyone’s faces.
Looking at the gunman’s feet under the stall as he paces.
The guilt of feeling lucky to be alive is heavy, it’s like the weight of the oceans walls crushing uncontrolled by levies. It’s like being drug through the grass with a shattered leg and thrown in the back of a Chevy.
Being rushed to the hospital and told you’re going to make it, when you laid beside individuals whose lives were brutally taken.
The guilt of being alive is heavy.”

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:34:51pm
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KGxvi  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:35:31pm

re: #155 makeitstop

Corzine was a Dem, wasn’t he? And I was playing more on the whole Jersey = Mafia bit.

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:36:02pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:36:07pm

Li’l Whiplash thinks he has a “gotcha!”

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:37:13pm

re: #158 KGxvi

Corzine was a Dem, wasn’t he? And I was playing more on the whole Jersey = Mafia bit.

Yeah, he was a Dem.

But ‘more corrupt than (insert Democrat’s name here)’ is a feature of Republicans.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:38:08pm

re: #55 CuriousLurker

The reason the right wants “radical Islam“used in every reference to a terrorist attack by a Muslim group or individual is because it creates a strong association in people’s minds between Islam and terrorism—i.e. not an association between specific radical groups or individuals who happen to be Muslim and use Islam to justify their violence, but the entire religion and all its adherents.

The first thing they want people to think of when they hear the word “Islam” (or “Muslim”) is terrorism—extremism, death, destruction, etc.—and vice versa. It works very well, doesn’t it? Be honest, how many of you hear the word “terrorist” or “terrorism” and don’t immediately think of Muslims/Islam? Hell, I’m Muslim and they’ve even trained me to have that Pavlovian reaction—you can’t be exposed to politicians & the media constantly using the words together and not associate them.

I’m not saying everyone who has that initial knee-jerk reaction is a bigot because they’re not. Most people with good critical thinking skills will quickly realize they’re being manipulated—but there are also a LOT of people who either 1) don’t have good critical thinking skills, 2) have good critical thinking skills, but are bigots anyway, or 3) are public figures who want to profit from 1 & 2 (be it political or monetary profit).

Your comment made me think of when I first heard the word ‘terrorism’ and ‘terrorist’ and in my mind it goes all the way back to the 1972 Olympic games when the Palestinian terrorist group Black September took the eleven Israeli Olympic team members hostage and then killed them all along with a German policeman.

I’m sure it was probably used earlier than that, but for me that was the first I heard it used. That was the summer I graduated high school.

That also seemed to implant the word into Western heads and associate it with Muslims. It will be very hard to break that thinking even if no one used Radical Islamic Terrorism. That has been 44 years in the making itself.

And that is what makes it so easy to use as a political tool. It becomes an easy-to-use dog whistle without any need of understanding the implications.

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Franklin  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:38:30pm

re: #150 withak

I never want to hear the words “Chris Christie” and “explosive briefs” paired ever again.

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blueraven  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:38:44pm

Say what you want about the Dem’s superdelegates, but I will take them any day if it will prevent my party from EVER nominating the likes of a Donald Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:38:54pm

hahahahahaaa

shut up, Bernie.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:39:24pm

re: #160 The Vicious Babushka

Ehm. It’s like everyone forgot about Eric Rudolph.

Rudolph has also confessed to three other bombings: an abortion clinic in the Atlanta suburb of Sandy Springs on January 16, 1997; the Otherside Lounge of Atlanta a lesbian bar on February 21, 1997, injuring five;[8] and an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama on January 29, 1998, killing Birmingham police officer and part-time clinic security guard Robert Sanderson, and critically injuring nurse Emily Lyons. Rudolph’s nail bombs were made of dynamite surrounded by nails which acted as shrapnel.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:40:19pm

re: #150 withak

I never want to hear the words “Chris Christie” and “explosive briefs” paired ever again.

As I’ve said before, this GOP parody of politics should be called “Game of Sharts.”

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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:41:19pm

re: #150 withak

I never want to hear the words “Chris Christie” and “explosive briefs” paired ever again.

Here’s something to help expunge that image:

Chris Christie

Booty shorts

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:42:14pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahahahaaa

shut up, Bernie.

mmmmmm. Ok. This is somewhat disturbing. I’m actually being serious…..but, maybe Bernie is suffering from age-related dementia? Late last week he said he was stilling waiting for the result from California, after Hillary was already declared the clear victor. And now this. Walks like a duck, talk likes a duck, …….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:42:19pm

re: #168 Jebediah, RBG

SMITE!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:42:39pm

re: #166 Nyet

Ehm. It’s like everyone forgot about Eric Rudolph.

And notice he did not object to her pointing out the bombing of the abortion clinics.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:43:21pm

re: #169 Dr. Matt

mmmmmm. Ok. This is somewhat disturbing. I’m actually being serious…..but, maybe Bernie is suffering from age-related dementia? Late last week he said he was stilling waiting for the result from California, after Hillary was already declared the clear victor. And now this. Walks like a duck, talk likes a duck, …….

I’m honestly starting to get curious myself.I am glad he’s not going to be nominated we’ll find out the hard way.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:43:46pm

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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Give him some time. The polls in D.C. haven’t closed yet; he can’t say he has plans to drop out now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:43:55pm
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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:44:02pm

Gov. Christie needs to delete his governorship. Resign. Acting like Reek or a frickin’ lackey to Trump is no way for a sitting governor to act. He certainly isn’t doing his job, and the state’s infrastructure continues to crumble and the only thing he can think of is providing the rich with another tax cut - eliminating the estate tax while the motor fuel tax is expected to be hiked to close the transportation trust fund gap.

Instead of keeping the estate tax and funneling that to infrastructure or education, he’s pushing the burdens on to everyone else. Typical GOP positions.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:44:15pm

re: #169 Dr. Matt

With Cali there was at least that news item about 2000000 uncounted ballots (didn’t follow-up). Dunno what’s up with this one.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:44:45pm

STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY, IF NOT THE MILLENNIUM==>

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withak  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:44:49pm

re: #173 Big Beautiful Door

Give him some time. The polls in D.C. haven’t closed yet; he can’t say he has plans to drop out now.

I get what you’re saying, but this should have happened on April 20, at the latest.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:45:22pm

re: #172 HappyWarrior

I’m honestly starting to get curious myself.I am glad he’s not going to be nominated we’ll find out the hard way.

It would explain the erratic behavior, mood swings, and the campaign continuously finding the keys to the bus in the ice box (ok….that last part was mean).

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:46:07pm

re: #147 Kragar

The MCX uses AR magazines. And 5.56 ammo. The same ammo an AR-15 does. It’s the same damn gun with different appearance.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:46:14pm
There are more than 2.5 million uncounted ballots left from Tuesday’s statewide primary

latimes.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:46:50pm
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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:47:11pm

re: #177 The Vicious Babushka

“Discrimination is discrimination, and it’s wrong, whether you’re a woman or a chicken,” - PETA President Ingrid Newkirk #StateOfWomen
— PETA (@peta) June 14, 2016

I am proud to say that I have never once discriminated against a chicken. Every time I have been served chicken, I never sent it back and devoured the entire dish.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:48:34pm

No, Bernie.
Just. NO.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:48:35pm

im having turkey meatloaf w pochemu eta sebachna sauce

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:49:21pm

re: #183 Dr. Matt

I am proud to say that I have never once discriminated against a chicken. Every time I have been served chicken, I never sent it back and devoured the entire dish.

I confess to a preference for thighs. I’m a thigh guy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:49:36pm

and I want a pony!

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:50:25pm

Did not see this coming

“Do we need AR-15s to hunt and kill dear? Do we need them to protect our families?” she asked. “I’m in favor of people being able to carry. I think some of these mass shooting would have been less deadly if that were the case.”

“But I’m also with the majority today, taking a stand,” Carlson said of the assault weapons ban. “Can’t we hold true the sanctity of the Second Amendment while still having common sense?”

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Testy Toad T  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:51:04pm

re: #179 Dr. Matt

It would explain the erratic behavior, mood swings, and the campaign continuously finding the keys to the bus in the ice box (ok….that last part was mean).

I want to note the irony of calling a guy old and out of touch and senile in the same sentence as using the term “ice box”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:51:57pm

re: #188 Kragar

Did not see this coming

Fox’s Gretchen Carlson goes off script: I’m ‘taking a stand’ for banning assault weapons

The front is starting to crumble…

A thorough GOP defeat could turn it into a rout…

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:51:57pm

re: #185 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

im having turkey meatloaf w pochemu eta sebachna sauce

eh

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:52:01pm
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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:52:20pm

re: #189 Testy Toad T

I want to note the irony of calling a guy old and out of touch and senile in the same sentence as using the term “ice box”.

I was using generation-specific language!!! And get off my lawn!~

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:53:36pm

King is a GOPer from NY, but this is one of those issues where he’s out of step with the NRA/GOP wing.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:54:11pm

re: #192 Kragar

From the guy with dead eyes:

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:54:29pm

re: #119 The Vicious Babushka

That’s like saying Dylann Roof did not primarily target Black people.

Which the Right said; it was an attack on Christians./

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withak  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:54:41pm

re: #195 Nyet

From the guy with dead eyes:

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COMFIRMED!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:54:43pm

re: #188 Kragar

Did not see this coming

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And she’ll be attacked mercilessly for this by the right.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:55:02pm

re: #188 Kragar

Did not see this coming

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“deer proofreeder, …”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:55:25pm

re: #195 Nyet

From the guy with dead eyes:

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Guy is nuts.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:55:27pm
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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:56:10pm

re: #116 Kragar

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Also see: the country of Uganda, whose government right-wing Christians propped up and refused to condemn even when they instituted death penalty for homosexuality.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:56:15pm

re: #177 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY, IF NOT THE MILLENNIUM==>

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Sounds like PETA is crying “Hey over here…look at us, don’t forget us!”

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:56:41pm

re: #186 Barefoot Grin

I confess to a preference for thighs. I’m a thigh guy.

Me too.
Oh.
Chickens?
Nah, can’t stand the wretched fowl.

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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:56:56pm

re: #184 Backwoods_Sleuth

No, Bernie.
Just. NO.

NO, Senator Sanders. As a supporter during the Nebraska Caucus, the last thing I want is people from outside the Democratic Party coming in to vote in my party primary (just as I don’t want Democrats voting in Republican primaries).

I understand you said you would stay in the race until the last vote was counted, and that you would support Hillary Clinton if she was the nominee, and that Donald Trump must be defeated at all costs.

If you do those things, I will have been happy to have supported you. If you weasel on your promise now you are no better than a common Republican.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:57:17pm

re: #187 Backwoods_Sleuth

-Same day registration for voting
-Open primaries

Hey, he just wants to change the laws of ~40 different states.

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Franklin  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:59:37pm

re: #199 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

“deer proofreeder, …”

Maybe she meant:

Do we need AR-15s to hunt and kill, dear?

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2016 • 12:59:50pm

re: #179 Dr. Matt

It would explain the erratic behavior, mood swings, and the campaign continuously finding the keys to the bus in the ice box (ok….that last part was mean).

I think Bernie has grown to really get off on all the attention and now can’t give it up.

They are going to need to pry podiums and microphones away from him. He will never leave now.

I am willing to bet we are not going to see him toss in the towel tonight, or this week. It is going to take an intervention at the convention to get him to give up his run. And even then I fully expect him to try to muck about. He really is a complete mess.

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:00:13pm

re: #195 Nyet

From the guy with dead eyes:

The struggle continues…
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Franklin  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:00:18pm

re: #206 Timothy Watson

Hey, he just wants to change the laws of ~40 different states.

Of a private group’s rules for selecting their nominee.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:00:30pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:00:31pm

Apparently there isn’t anything for my Governor to work on here at home:

FRANKFORT

Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin spoke this past weekend at a Utah retreat organized by Mitt Romney, the 2012 Republican presidential nominee who has been one of the most outspoken critics of Donald Trump.

The fourth annual “Experts and Enthusiasts Summit,” held mostly behind closed doors at the five-star Stein Eriksen Lodge Deer Valley in Park City, Utah, attracted about 300 business and GOP leaders. It was designed to consider new technologies and their impact on businesses, transportation and media, but The Salt Lake City Tribune said “looming over the three-day confab was the disruptive candidacy of Republican Donald Trump.”

snip

The visit by Bevin was “an official trip” made at taxpayers’ expense, said Amanda Stamper, Bevin’s press secretary.

“The governor was invited to speak this past Saturday at the E2 Summit in Utah with some of most renowned business and public policy leaders in the country,” Stamper said in a statement. “Gov. Bevin appreciated the opportunity to promote Kentucky and our people to current and prospective employers.”

Stamper referred questions about what Bevin said at the retreat and whether he mentioned Trump in his speech to Kelli Harrison Ritter, a special assistant to Romney. Ritter said she would have someone with the summit respond.

Matt Waldrip, executive director of the summit, said he would leave it to Bevin’s press office to say anything about Bevin’s speech at the retreat “since it was a closed meeting.”

He said Bevin was invited because “we wanted people we see as the future of our party.”

“We see Gov. Bevin as a great leader,” Walkdrip said. “We hoped to transcend the political momentum we are in right now and look forward to the future of our party and country.”

Bevin is “the future of our party” and “a great leader”.
Oh, so that’s what we’re calling flaming trainwrecks these days…

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:00:55pm
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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:01:29pm

Am I the only one to reflexively assume that “A shot B” in the headlines means “to death”, only to (usually and thankfully) discover that only injuries were involved?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:02:39pm

re: #210 Franklin

Of a private group’s rules for selecting their nominee.

I have tried to explain (to Europeans, who have no such similar institutions and to Americans, who are just clueless) that primaries are not democratic elections, they are a form of marketing survey put out by the parties to determine and promote the candidate who would fare best in a general election.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:03:13pm

re: #191 Nyet

eh

pravilna!

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plansbandc  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:03:53pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

Imgur

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blueraven  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:03:55pm

re: #181 Nyet

latimes.com

That was from June 10. They have counted a lot more since then, but still have many left. I dont think there is even a slight chance he could overtake Hillary.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:04:02pm

re: #216 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

pravilna!

I still didn’t get what you wrote, except for 2 words.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:04:27pm

re: #214 Nyet

Am I the only one to reflexively assume that “A shot B” in the headlines means “to death”, only to (usually and thankfully) discover that only injuries were involved?

a weakness of our language…German distinguishes between schiessen (simply to shoot) and erschiessen, to shoot to death (I believe Russian does the same)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:04:32pm
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Tigger2  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:04:35pm

re: #195 Nyet

From the guy with dead eyes:

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:04:52pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:05:12pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:05:24pm
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Shimshon  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:06:05pm

re: #208 ObserverArt

I think Bernie has grown to really get off on all the attention and now can’t give it up.

They are going to need to pry podiums and microphones away from him. He will never leave now.

I am willing to bet we are not going to see him toss in the towel tonight, or this week. It is going to take an intervention at the convention to get him to give up his run. And even then I fully expect him to try to muck about. He really is a complete mess.

I’m convinced he and his wife realized they are going to retire with little savings, so they’ve built up his cult to guarantee large donations now and in the future. I predict once he loses he bails from the re-election campaign he recently filed for (so confident in his winning the primary he filed for re-election in Vermont and as a registered Independent again instead of in the Democratic party) and retreats into advertising and promoting his “brand.” He may even realize that his brand would be helped by Trump getting elected so he can go around in paid speeches telling people how they should have voted for him and his revolution.

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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:06:20pm

wonkette.com

Wonkette weighs in on the Orlando mass-murderer (a “better” term than “radical Islamic terrorist”) current wife, who according to NBC drove him to buy ammunition and at least one to The Pulse to scope out the nightclub. (That falls in line with my speculation a couple days ago the several visits he made were to case the joint, not to participate).

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:06:53pm

re: #195 Nyet

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:07:19pm

re: #188 Kragar

Did not see this coming

Hurr hurr not assault weapons there are no assault weapons!!!111

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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:08:00pm

From Wonkette:

The Orlando gunman’s wife has told federal agents she tried to talk her husband out of carrying out the attack, NBC News has learned.

Omar Mateen’s current wife, Noor, told the FBI she was with him when he bought ammunition and a holster, several officials familiar with the case said. She told the FBI that she once drove him to the gay nightclub, Pulse, because he wanted to scope it out.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:08:44pm

re: #228 Kragar

Unlike King, who’s just an ass, this guy reeks of madness. Like, I wouldn’t like to be in the same room with him.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:09:06pm

Aloha snackbar?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:09:11pm

re: #195 Nyet

From the guy with dead eyes:

Hillary will always be under criminal investigation, for some people. I mean, do we really know who killed Vince Foster yet?

//

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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:09:46pm

More:

Because CNN is reporting that, on top of her driving him to Pulse to “scope it out,” the couple also visited Disney World in April, and Disney has told the FBI that it believes Mateen was casing the place. And that’s not the last time he stopped by Disney:

Omar Mir Seddique Mateen’s visits at Pulse and Disney Springs happened between June 1 and June 6, said the official, who has knowledge of the investigation. The number of visits to each venue was not specified.

The dates coincided with Gay Days 2016 celebrations taking place at Walt Disney World and other Orlando locations between May 31 and June 6.

He went during Gay Days. What a shock. He also reportedly showed up at Disney Springs on the Saturday before the attacks.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:10:10pm

re: #230 Anymouse

From Wonkette:

“But I wanted to stop him, really.”

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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:10:18pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

I know, I’ve earned a smiting…

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:11:20pm

re: #195 Nyet

From the guy with dead eyes:

Hillary under FBI criminal investigation Confirmed FACT.

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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:11:36pm

re: #235 Sir John Barron

“But I wanted to stop him, really.”

Yeah, that would work if she’d called the police.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:11:54pm

re: #192 Kragar

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The only excuse for Bernie to keep running after today is gone. He should concede and endorse Hillary as soon as they complete hopefully short negotiations.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:13:59pm

Appeals Court Hands Obama Administration Major Win In Net Neutrality Case

Under the law, broadband internet providers “must treat all internet traffic the same regardless of sourc

Yooooooooge

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:14:10pm

re: #227 Anymouse

wonkette.com

Wonkette weighs in on the Orlando mass-murderer (a “better” term than “radical Islamic terrorist”) current wife, who according to NBC drove him to buy ammunition and at least one to The Pulse to scope out the nightclub. (That falls in line with my speculation a couple days ago the several visits he made were to case the joint, not to participate).

But people who frequent the club say he’s been going there for years.

“It’s the same guy,” Chris Callen, who performs under the name Kristina McLaughlin, told the Canadian Press. “He’s been going to this bar for at least three years.”

I think the wife was afraid that if she didn’t cooperate with his plans, he’d kill her.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:14:47pm

re: #231 Nyet

Unlike King, who’s just an ass, this guy reeks of madness. Like, I wouldn’t like to be in the same room with him.

King is one big fat ass though.

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:14:56pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:15:11pm

re: #241 makeitstop

I would really love to know why she did this. If it was because she was afraid, don’t prosecute her.

If she just doing as he said, do prosecute her.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:16:55pm

re: #219 Nyet

I still didn’t get what you wrote, except for 2 words.

‘pochemu eta sobachna sauce’ is supposed to be something like ‘why this fucked up (‘for the dogs’) sauce’

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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:17:13pm

re: #241 makeitstop

I think the wife was afraid that if she didn’t cooperate with his plans, he’d kill her.

As a commentator there said, “Stockholm Syndrome my ass. a) run b) call 911”

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:17:35pm

re: #2 Kragar

What the flying fuck? Really?

That’s a silly as beating up your neighbour down the street because your kid broke the living room lamp.

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blueraven  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:17:42pm

re: #242 Nyet

King is one big fat ass though.

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The thing is, Hillary didn’t say “People under FBI investigation”. She said people under FBI investigation for suspected TERRORISM.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:17:55pm

re: #245 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Well, doesn’t work. ;)

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:18:31pm

re: #3 jaunte

Okay, Newt. You first.

Because obviously anyone that would propose this is not an American.

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Tigger2  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:18:59pm
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Jenner7  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:19:26pm

re: #248 blueraven

Stupid context!

I was sooo wrong about Shaun’s character.

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Tigger2  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:20:13pm
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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:20:14pm

re: #248 blueraven

The thing is, Hillary didn’t say “People under FBI investigation”. She said people under FBI investigation for suspected TERRORISM.

You never know when one of those e-mails could print itself out and give someone a mean papercut.

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blueraven  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:20:25pm

re: #252 Jenner7

Stupid context!

I was sooo wrong about Shaun’s character.

He had a lot of people fooled early on.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:20:56pm

re: #248 blueraven

The thing is, Hillary didn’t say “People under FBI investigation”. She said people under FBI investigation for suspected TERRORISM.

No kidding and it’s not like we see HRC at the gun store trying to buy assault weapons. Really Shaun jjust the shut the fuck up already.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:21:00pm

re: #252 Jenner7

Stupid context!

I was sooo wrong about Shaun’s character.

He never cared about accuracy. When he posted at DKos, numerous Kossacks called him out for sensationalism.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:21:05pm

re: #222 Tigger2

I’m sure I’ll have to change my Twitter password again soon.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:21:08pm

re: #252 Jenner7

Stupid context!

I was sooo wrong about Shaun’s character.

A lot of us were.

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wrenchwench  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:21:11pm

They’re trying to erase dead people.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:21:27pm

re: #20 Lidane

Senior Republicans? Some but few.

The base (and is it ever) are lapping it up. They love Donald because he feeds them the finest grade shit to feed their hate addiction.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:21:55pm

If you voted for Sanders thinking he was going to fight for the economic policies he ran on I’m sorry to tell you that you got played.

He’s just a spiteful, angry, easily distracted old man. All he cares about now is selling the narrative that he was robbed by an unfair system, he couldn’t give a shit less at this point about actually using his position to help the working poor or any of his other official campaign policies.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:21:58pm

re: #260 wrenchwench

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They’re trying to erase dead people.

Revisionism the Republican way.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:22:04pm

re: #258 GlutenFreeJesus

Soooo mean. But funny.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:22:06pm

This is getting out of hand.
Next thing you know, these damn T-Rex’s will be wanting to use our bathrooms too…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:23:36pm

re: #262 goddamnedfrank

If you voted for Sanders thinking he was going to fight for the economic policies he ran on I’m sorry to tell you that you got played.

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He’s just a spiteful, angry, easily distracted old man. All he cares about now is selling the narrative that he was robbed by an unfair system, he couldn’t give a shit less at this point about actually using his position to help the working poor or any of his other official campaign policies.

As I said, he has no regard at all for the truly diverse coalition of individuals that make up the Democratic electorate.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:23:51pm

re: #261 Romantic Heretic

Senior Republicans? Some but few.

The base (and is it ever) are lapping it up. They love Donald because he feeds them the finest grade shit to feed their hate addiction.

They DT supporters are already used to getting kicked out of their jobs and having to find another one every few months…the GOP leaders, not so much…

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:24:03pm

re: #249 Nyet

Well, doesn’t work. ;)

oh well i’ll have to run it by Unfrozen Siberian Girlfriend tonite & see what i did rong…

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:24:31pm

Not to mention that Shaun used to post quotes from a woman who is still on the FBI’s Most Wanted Terrorists list.

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:24:59pm

re: #246 Anymouse

As a commentator there said, “Stockholm Syndrome my ass. a) run b) call 911”

No, not Stockholm Syndrome. Fear for her life.

Two different things.

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Tigger2  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:25:03pm

re: #262 goddamnedfrank

If you voted for Sanders thinking he was going to fight for the economic policies he ran on I’m sorry to tell you that you got played.

[Embedded content]

He’s just a spiteful, angry, easily distracted old man. All he cares about now is selling the narrative that he was robbed by an unfair system, he couldn’t give a shit less at this point about actually using his position to help the working poor or any of his other official campaign policies.

I wish I was a high ranking official in the Dem party so I could personally tell Sanders to go fuck himself.

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:25:20pm
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Franklin  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:26:15pm

Who?

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Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:26:16pm

re: #271 Tigger2

I wish I was a high ranking official in the Dem party so I could personally tell Sanders to go fuck himself.

Go ahead. We’re democratic that way.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:26:22pm

re: #147 Kragar

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MCX is fully compatible with AR-15 lowers. The only meaningful difference between it and a traditional AR-15 is it’s a gas piston system instead of a direct gas impingement system and the recoil spring mechanism seems to be housed inside the upper receiver instead of being contained in a buffer tube that extends into the stock.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:26:24pm

re: #227 Anymouse

wonkette.com

Wonkette weighs in on the Orlando mass-murderer (a “better” term than “radical Islamic terrorist”) current wife, who according to NBC drove him to buy ammunition and at least one to The Pulse to scope out the nightclub. (That falls in line with my speculation a couple days ago the several visits he made were to case the joint, not to participate).

Though I read that he went there over a period of three years, which seems like a long time to plan an attack.

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gocart mozart  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:27:28pm
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A Mom Anon  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:27:28pm

re: #244 Ziggy_TARDIS

I’m not even close to an expert on jack shit, but I will say this:
He had a history of domestic violence and violent behavior. Guys like this don’t stop, the escalate unless they are stopped. Sadly that’s usually only after they have done tons of damage, and they either end up dead, in jail or are willing to get specialized help (rare, but it happens sometimes). She most likely was scared to death, unless she felt the same way he did and they planned this crap together. I am inclined to believe it’s the first scenerio, but I admit extreme bias as a domestic abuse/rape survivor. I don’t think we should jump to any conclusion til this investgation plays out.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:27:30pm

re: #275 goddamnedfrank

MCX is fully compatible with AR-15 lowers. The only meaningful difference between it and a traditional AR-15 is it’s a gas piston system instead of a direct gas impingement system and the recoil spring mechanism seems to be housed inside the upper receiver instead of being contained in a buffer tube that extends into the stock.

you are giving me an involuntary hard-on…

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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:28:48pm

re: #270 makeitstop

No, not Stockholm Syndrome. Fear for her life.

Two different things.

Unless he kept her in a cage, he wasn’t there all the time.

No different than saying women can’t be responsible for their own reproductive systems so men have to.

If the story is true (I don’t really like it when news organisations use unsubstantiated sources), then there was plenty of time during the day when one little thought of “casing Disney World and an LGBT club for a mass murder” might be wrong (then run at the first opportunity).

She is either a responsible adult (and therefore an accomplice) or not.

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Tigger2  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:28:58pm

re: #274 Decatur Deb

Go ahead. We’re democratic that way.

I have in many of my comments to his tweets but it just doesn’t seen to carry much weight. : ))

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:30:07pm

re: #269 Nyet

Who is that referring too, out of curiosity.

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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:30:38pm

re: #278 A Mom Anon

I’m not even close to an expert on jack shit, but I will say this:
He had a history of domestic violence and violent behavior. Guys like this don’t stop, the escalate unless they are stopped. Sadly that’s usually only after they have done tons of damage, and they either end up dead, in jail or are willing to get specialized help (rare, but it happens sometimes). She most likely was scared to death, unless she felt the same way he did and they planned this crap together. I am inclined to believe it’s the first scenerio, but I admit extreme bias as a domestic abuse/rape survivor. I don’t think we should jump to any conclusion til this investgation plays out.

I am a domestic abuse survivor (from my first marriage) and a rape survivor (from my family as a teen). I GTFO. Both times. In the first case into the Navy, in the second case into homelessness.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:30:49pm

re: #278 A Mom Anon

Having taken abuse from my father, that’s why I am saying the same.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:31:21pm

re: #242 Nyet

King is one big fat ass though.

This guy…

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:31:50pm

re: #282 Ziggy_TARDIS

Asshata Shakur.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:34:00pm

re: #177 The Vicious Babushka

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wrenchwench  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:34:00pm

re: #278 A Mom Anon

I’m not even close to an expert on jack shit…

but…

I admit extreme bias as a domestic abuse/rape survivor

That is an expertise all by itself. Of a sort. Not to be disregarded.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:34:22pm

re: #270 makeitstop

No, not Stockholm Syndrome. Fear for her life.

Two different things.

Have to agree with you.
I’ve worked with abused women and it drives me crazy when people say “why didn’t she just leave?” or “why did she go back to him?”
I admit, it really bothers me when that happens, but when it does, I have to remind myself that some people get so mentally exhausted they can’t see any way out. And I can’t know what is inside someone else’s thought process.
Also, his first wife accused him of abuse. She was perhaps stronger than the current wife or had a stronger support system in place to deal with it.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:36:04pm

re: #286 Nyet

Oh, I see.

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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:37:34pm

re: #289 Backwoods_Sleuth

But when it was this abused man, turned away by both support organisations and courts. (The courts took my VA Disability and gave it to my wife as alimony - by couching it in proper language the decision was such it didn’t say “VA Disability”.)

Florida. A state with no alimony.

When I remarried, I had to pay to get divorce paperwork, as it turned out the judge was thrown in jail the next week for official corruption and had never signed the divorce paperwork.

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:38:01pm

re: #280 Anymouse

Unless he kept her in a cage, he wasn’t there all the time.

No different than saying women can’t be responsible for their own reproductive systems so men have to.

If the story is true (I don’t really like it when news organisations use unsubstantiated sources), then there was plenty of time during the day when one little thought of “casing Disney World and an LGBT club for a mass murder” might be wrong (then run at the first opportunity).

She is either a responsible adult (and therefore an accomplice) or not.

Okay, and then what?

Cops pick him up, question him, he plays nice. They have no reason to hold him, since he hasn’t committed a crime yet.

Then they let him go.

What happens to her then? Maybe he goes home and kills her first.

Ever known a woman who was in a long-term abusive relationship? I’ve known a couple. As easy as it might seem to you to ‘run,’ it’s nowhere near that easy when you’re the object of the abuse.

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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:38:22pm

re: #292 makeitstop

Okay, and then what?

Cops pick him up, question him, he plays nice. They have no reason to hold him, since he hasn’t committed a crime yet.

Then they let him go.

What happens to her then? Maybe he goes home and kills her first.

Ever known a woman who was in a long-term abusive relationship? I’ve known a couple. As easy as it might seem to you to ‘run,’ it’s nowhere near that easy when you’re the object of the abuse.

No, then she leaves. Like I did, from my own long-term abusive relationship. Ex-wife started harassing my boss on LinkedIn when she found out who he was years later. He had to get a restraining order against her. Started harassing my present wife, who actually loves me rather than my military benefits that sent my first wife to college.

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:39:22pm

re: #293 Anymouse

No, then she leaves.

Yeah, okay. You win.
/////

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Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:39:47pm

re: #293 Anymouse

No, then she leaves.

Greyhound beats a hearse every time.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:40:33pm

re: #283 Anymouse

And I am happy you made it out both times. It is not that simple for everyone though, and no I am not making excuses for her or anyone else. I escaped, but I had to have somewhere to go with a 3 year old child first, so it took some time. I had to have large men there to help me get the things we needed out of there, I had to tell my boss so she knew that he might show up at work (he did), I had to find people to stay with and then live in fear of him following me home. He never went to jail even after charges were filed because his parents knew judges and people who made it go away.

I actually saw him 6 months ago in a store. Delivering beer. I literally almost fell to pieces and it had been almost 30 years since I saw him. He didn’t recognize me. I left a full cart of groceries in the aisle and ran out the front while calling my husband. I threw up in the parking lot. There are SO many different situations and so many different factors at work in DV situations that passing judgement and saying “she should just leave” helps no one. This is why there still isn’t enough help for women and kids in 2016, because people think she must like it or she would just go.

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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:41:55pm

re: #294 makeitstop

Yeah, okay. You win.
/////

No, I didn’t. I am not interested in “winning.”

Perhaps I should be taking a break from this conversation, as it is going nowhere fast. What I “won” was eleven years of homelessness due to seizure of my VA disability benefits to pay my abuser alimony in a state that does not have it.

The only thing I won was learning the judge went to jail (on an unrelated case).

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EPR-radar  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:46:57pm

re: #147 Kragar

Like I give a rats ass about the technical details of the gun(s) used in the Orlando mass murder.

The gun(s) used are demonstrably suitable tools for mass murder. There is no justification for having tools for mass murder be as readily available as they are.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2016 • 1:49:08pm

re: #287 GlutenFreeJesus

[Embedded content]

the one on the left is a keychain, right?

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2016 • 2:14:55pm

re: #102 Shiplord Kirel

California pastor rejoices in massacre at Orlando gay club: ‘The tragedy is that more of them didn’t die’

Add to that mutant in Tucson. Both Baptists. 50 years ago, the various Baptist conventions would have swatted these quacks like bugs. Today, it’s mainstream.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2016 • 2:19:01pm

re: #120 blueraven

Bernie is way out of his element when speaking about subjects like ISIS.
Also, a bit late.

He wants a “fundamental transformation” of the Democratic Party.

And millions of actual voters said we’re ok with the Democratic party. Doesn’t mean we wouldn’t like to see changes but fundamental transformation…into what? Where rhetoric is all that is done, because that’s all Bernie offers.


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