Video: Donald Trump Accuses US Soldiers of Looting Iraq, And It Isn’t the First Time

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Just unreal. What can anyone say at this point?

And this is the same guy who constantly asserts that the US should have taken Iraq’s oil.

UPDATE at 6/14/16 7:11:34 pm by Charles Johnson

This isn’t the first time Trump has accused US soldiers of stealing the money intended for Iraqi reconstruction.

He also suggested that some American soldiers charged with distributing money to fund the Afghan and Iraqi government embezzled it instead. “I want to know who are the soldiers carrying suitcases with $50m?” asked Trump. “How stupid are we? I wouldn’t be surprised if those soldiers, if the cash didn’t get there.”

UPDATE at 6/14/16 8:07:46 pm by Charles Johnson

As expected, the Trump campaign is now trying to claim he was referring to Iraqi soldiers, not US soldiers. Which might work if he hadn’t accused US soldiers of looting before (see above).

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:49:00pm

Two drummers. How can you go wrong with two drummers? Get yourself some UM. Don’t believe me? Just ask teleskiguy.

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nines09  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:49:12pm

Wow. Imagine if he was against the Veterans. Hoo boy. No more food stamps for you, Sparky. At what point does the GOP just throw up and fall over?

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EPR-radar  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:49:32pm

Any real attempt to trace the “mislaid” money in the US invasion and occupation of Iraq would lead straight back to Bush administration officials, defense contractors, and assorted other parasites of the war machine.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:49:36pm
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b.d.  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:50:06pm

Who hasn’t this guy insulted yet?

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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:50:34pm

re: #1 darthstar

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:50:38pm

re: #5 b.d.

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Who hasn’t this guy insulted yet?

Angry White Bigots aka his base.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:50:41pm

This guy’s timeline. Unreal.

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lockjawcanbefun  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:51:01pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:51:26pm

re: #8 jaunte

This guy’s timeline. Unreal.

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Already forgetting that narrative that they now “care” about LGBT people I see.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:52:05pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:52:56pm

re: #6 teleskiguy

Seriously. I wept while they played “Gone For Good” in Dallas.

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Shimshon  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:53:26pm

Where did this story come from? Trump decides to bring it up out of nowhere? The stories are true though there was a lot of looting by NATO soldiers and even more by Iraqis as the American troops were busy guarding the Oil HQ… but, why does Trump suddenly care about that today?

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:53:28pm

re: #3 EPR-radar

Any real attempt to trace the “mislaid” money in the US invasion and occupation of Iraq would lead straight back to Bush administration officials, defense contractors, and assorted other parasites of the war machine.

I was just typing this when I thought to refresh and see if someone beat me to it…US Contractors were doing more looting than Iraqis. Pallets of money disappeared…whole pallets - that doesn’t happen without someone in a position of power greasing a few palms here and there.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:53:50pm
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EPR-radar  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:54:57pm

re: #8 jaunte

With all this nattering about the wall, maybe Trump really does plan to use selected parts of Pink’s Floyds The Wall at the GOP convention.

Intriguing political reforms suggested in that movie are sure to be of great interest to GOP convention-goers.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:55:09pm

re: #13 Shimshon

Where did this story come from? Trump decides to bring it up out of nowhere? The stories are true though there was a lot of looting by NATO soldiers and even more by Iraqis as the American troops were busy guarding the Oil HQ… but, why does Trump suddenly care about that today?

His ass, where his usual crap comes from.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:55:32pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:56:04pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

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But remember Charles, Liberals hate veterans.

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nines09  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:56:46pm

He’s totally on hate cruise control.

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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:56:46pm

re: #1 darthstar

If you don’t want to pay a buck twenty nine for a song, here’s an audience-taped version of “Gone For Good,” performed in Dallas on 23 April 2016.

MP3 Audio

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:57:01pm

re: #13 Shimshon

Where did this story come from? Trump decides to bring it up out of nowhere? The stories are true though there was a lot of looting by NATO soldiers… but, why does Trump suddenly care about that today?

He probably decided he needed to watch a couple of movies to learn foreign policy, and saw Three Kings

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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:57:26pm

re: #19 HappyWarrior

But remember Charles, Liberals hate veterans.

Even we liberals who are veterans, who have parents (one of whom died in combat) that are liberals and veterans.

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Thanos  Jun 14, 2016 • 6:59:35pm

With Trump’s casino background, personal history, and mafia construction connections he can’t imagine a situation like Iraq without someone on the take so he is projecting what he would do in that situation onto our soldiers. It’s like work: the person who carps the most about others being lazy is usually the one who slacks the most.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:00:31pm

He knows it’s true. Why you ask? George Cloony made a movie about it so it must be true.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:00:33pm

He referred to “the soldiers that handed it out.”

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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:01:13pm

My wife the former Libertarian Party campaign treasurer used to view military personnel with a sort of “meh” attitude … she has changed considerably on that since marrying me.

I think its all the visits to the VA hospital I have to take; she sees veterans from WW2 to the present up close and personal. (She also, while our village librarian, made a point of setting aside weeded books to take to Cheyenne. The VA gets lots of donated books but for some reason usually Romances. She would take books that were more interesting to donate to the VA Hospital library on a wide range of topics, but no Romances. Could be a dig at me, as I am a Romance editor now. /s)

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Stanley Sea  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:01:24pm

Multi tasking fail.

re: #8 jaunte

This guy’s timeline. Unreal.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:02:12pm

Trump is probably going to claim he meant Iraqi soldiers.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:02:24pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:02:33pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Trump is probably going to claim he meant Iraqi soldiers.

Probably.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:02:49pm

re: #13 Shimshon

Where did this story come from? Trump decides to bring it up out of nowhere? The stories are true though there was a lot of looting by NATO soldiers and even more by Iraqis as the American troops were busy guarding the Oil HQ… but, why does Trump suddenly care about that today?

Probably watched “Three Kings” on the Trump 757.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:03:47pm
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Brian J.  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:03:57pm

All DC Election Day precincts in. Clinton 74,566 (78%), Sanders 19,990 (21%).

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:04:40pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Trump is probably going to claim he meant Iraqi soldiers.

He’ll be lying again.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:05:05pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

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But why didn’t Obama serve in WWII? ///

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:05:27pm

He knows the soldiers stole the money because it’s what he would have done.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:05:33pm

re: #22 jaunte

Or Monuments Men and thought the Germans were Americans like he did in that one graphic.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:05:42pm

I’ve had this little graphic idea running in my head for days. I just decided to finish it and this looks like a good page to add it!

Dump another load of dirt!

And with that…later!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:06:17pm

re: #14 darthstar

I was just typing this when I thought to refresh and see if someone beat me to it…US Contractors were doing more looting than Iraqis. Pallets of money disappeared…whole pallets - that doesn’t happen without someone in a position of power greasing a few palms here and there.

The pallets went straight back to Halliburton so they wouldn’t even have to pretend to do any work for them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:06:31pm

re: #38 GlutenFreeJesus

Or Monuments Men and thought the Germans were Americans like he did in that one graphic.

Or Kelly’s Heroes.

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petesh  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:06:37pm

re: #34 Brian J.

All DC Election Day precincts in. Clinton 74,566 (78%), Sanders 19,990 (21%).

Margin of errr, um, 27,288 or so? Anyway that 19,99 looks awful fishy. Recount!

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:07:46pm
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jaunte  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:08:27pm

Keene, New Hampshire, Thursday 1 October 2015

He also suggested that some American soldiers charged with distributing money to fund the Afghan and Iraqi government embezzled it instead. “I want to know who are the soldiers carrying suitcases with $50m?” asked Trump. “How stupid are we? I wouldn’t be surprised if those soldiers, if the cash didn’t get there.”
theguardian.com

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retired cynic  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:09:12pm

Rude Pundit wrote another righteous rant:

rudepundit.blogspot.com

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Brian J.  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:09:19pm

re: #42 petesh

Margin of errr, um, 27,288 or so? Anyway that 19,99 looks awful fishy. Recount!

Patterns like that will happen given enough numbers. In 1980, Jimmy Carter won 66,666 votes in Nevada. Ooooooh, scary! (Of course, Reagan won 155,017.)

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:12:11pm

I was having a bad day. Then I saw this. Now I’m not having a bad day.

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:12:47pm

OT, dunno if y’all saw this, but FYI.
California prosecutors have Stanford sexual assault judge removed from new case

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:12:47pm

Trump tweet earlier today:

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mroop  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:13:52pm

I posted this in the other thread, but it looks like this should be here. In regard to looting:

Imperial Life in The Emerald City: Inside Iraq’s Green Zone

In this acclaimed firsthand account, the former Baghdad bureau chief of The Washington Post gives us an intimate portrait of life inside this Oz-like bubble, which continued unaffected by the growing mayhem outside. This is a quietly devastating tale of imperial folly, and the definitive history of those early days when things went irrevocably wrong in Iraq.

amazon.com

Baghdad Year Zero: Pillaging Iraq in pursuit of a neo-con utopia
By Naomi Klein - September 1st, 2004

Seeing the sign, I couldn’t help but think about something Senator John McCain had said back in October. Iraq, he said, is “a huge pot of honey that’s attracting a lot of flies.” The flies McCain was referring to were the Halliburtons and Bechtels, as well as the venture capitalists who flocked to Iraq in the path cleared by Bradley Fighting Vehicles and laser-guided bombs. The honey that drew them was not just no-bid contracts and Iraq’s famed oil wealth but the myriad investment opportunities offered by a country that had just been cracked wide open after decades of being sealed off, first by the nationalist economic policies of Saddam Hussein, then by asphyxiating United Nations sanctions.

Looking at the honey billboard, I was also reminded of the most common explanation for what has gone wrong in Iraq, a complaint echoed by everyone from John Kerry to Pat Buchanan: Iraq is mired in blood and deprivation because George W. Bush didn’t have “a postwar plan.” The only problem with this theory is that it isn’t true. The Bush Administration did have a plan for what it would do after the war; put simply, it was to lay out as much honey as possible, then sit back and wait for the flies.

naomiklein.org

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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:14:14pm

re: #36 HappyWarrior

But why didn’t Obama serve in WWII? ///

My wife says, “Where was President Obama during the Spanish-American War? /s”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:14:46pm

re: #48 Teukka

OT, dunno if y’all saw this, but FYI.
California prosecutors have Stanford sexual assault judge removed from new case

Over ten jurors in another case (that he dismissed halfway through the trial, granting the defense’s motion for dismissal on somewhat questionable rationale) refused to serve on a jury in a court he was presiding over.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:14:48pm
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jaunte  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:17:02pm
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nines09  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:20:14pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

Have you seen our “Go Fuck Yourself” cards? No? They look just like that.

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withak  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:20:37pm

re: #6 teleskiguy

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First hit for UG in Spotify is a Radiohead cover.

You’ve piqued my interest.

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plansbandc  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:20:38pm

I am firmly convinced that regardless of how the fascist does in the election there is going to be widespread violence. He is inciting violent hate in his supporters and it’s only going to get worse in the next few months.

Genuinely scared for our country.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:22:03pm
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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:23:46pm

Mr. Trump, this is what a “personal Vietnam” is. You can slither away with your VD.

navy.togetherweserved.com (My father’s on-line shadowbox)

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fern01  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:24:06pm

re: #8 jaunte

This guy’s timeline. Unreal.

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I shouldn’t have gone there - truly ugly. Trumps vision of the “Land of the Free”.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:24:54pm
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Teukka  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:25:07pm

re: #8 jaunte

This guy’s timeline. Unreal.

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He seems nice///

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Stanley Sea  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:25:28pm
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Stanley Sea  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:26:16pm

HOLY SHIT.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:26:44pm

At about 56:10
‘I wouldn’t be surprised if the cash didn’t get there.”

He’s obviously talking about soldiers taking the cash to Iraqis and is questioning whether it “got there,” i.e., to the Iraqis.

Donald Trump Gives Fiery Speech In Keene, New Hampshire 9/30/15

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nines09  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:26:52pm

re: #62 Teukka

He seems nice///

You are misreading that. He’s there reporting on the insanity. He’s a good guy. Read it. Blow by blow.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:27:18pm

re: #63 Stanley Sea

Whoops.

That’s going to be a headache.

(In all seriousness, I hope things turn out okay but given the length of time since the child was grabbed I don’t think it’s likely. Condolences to the family. :( )

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:28:39pm

re: #61 The Vicious Babushka

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He has a plan. It’s a Beautiful Plan. A Beautiful Fantastic Plan. You’ll love this Plan. I can’t tell you because that would give it away. But it’s a Beautiful Fantastic Hugly Great Plan.

RBS

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:28:40pm
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BeachDem  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:28:52pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This is my favorite:

(one of the replies says they probably think it says Hold me closer, Tony Danza)

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Stanley Sea  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:29:10pm

re: #67 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Whoops.

That’s going to be a headache.

(In all seriousness, I hope things turn out okay but given the length of time since the child was grabbed I don’t think it’s likely. Condolences to the family. :( )

kid is gone.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:30:11pm

re: #71 Stanley Sea

kid is gone.

I agree that’s most likely but until they have found the body they won’t say that definitively and I can still hope.

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:30:37pm

re: #67 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Whoops.

That’s going to be a headache.

(In all seriousness, I hope things turn out okay but given the length of time since the child was grabbed I don’t think it’s likely. Condolences to the family. :( )

Nice touch with the chompy face…yeah, it’s sad the kid got killed, but gators gotta eat too. Nobody cries when we eat one of them…the big difference being the gators would never intentionally nominate Trump as one of their two candidates.

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electrotek  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:31:32pm

The gator should have chomped on Omar instead.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:31:32pm

The hits keep coming about this guy:
James Wesley Howell suspect in underage sexual assault

On the same day that Los Angeles County authorities charged James Wesley Howell with multiple felony weapons charges in California, police in Southern Indiana announced Howell as a suspect in a sexual assault investigation involving a juvenile.

Howell is accused of sexually abusing an underage girl in his car on May 31 after exchanging online messages, family members of the girl told IndyStar.

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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:31:44pm

Fouled address for Father’s shadowbox.

Correct one:
navy.togetherweserved.com

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:32:18pm

re: #74 electrotek

The gator should have chomped on Omar instead.

On Saturday.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:34:25pm

totally inaccurately…

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:34:30pm

re: #66 nines09

You are misreading that. He’s there reporting on the insanity. He’s a good guy. Read it. Blow by blow.

I know, I was referring to trump (with sarc ///)

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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:34:58pm

US Senate defeats pilot plan to privatise US military commissaries.
militarytimes.com

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:35:31pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

totally inaccurately…

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The press fucking gave you the nomination. You should be thanking them.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:35:35pm

re: #72 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I agree that’s most likely but until they have found the body they won’t say that definitively and I can still hope.

I don’t envy the recovery divers (if used) at all. Two of our guys got called out for a recovery operation near a marina up in Kentucky today. Didn’t find the subject, and had to pull out due to storms.

That kind of work is incredibly difficult for divers, both because of the conditions they are often working in (zero visibility while crawling across the bottom with a rope to a tender) and the emotional toll. Rule is that no diver does more than a 20 minute shift maximum at a time. I’ve seen very strong divers come out of training scenario dives absolutely exhausted.

Prayers for the best possible outcomes for all concerned.

RBS

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:36:02pm
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jaunte  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:36:23pm
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Brian J.  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:37:27pm

re: #84 jaunte

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Go to he… Vermont, Bernie. We’re all sick of you.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:37:48pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

totally inaccurately…

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THEY REPORT EXACTLY WHAT I SAY. UNFAIR!!!1!!!

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:39:15pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Pretty soon the only ones allowed to cover him will be the Weekly World News, InfoWars, and Rich Guys WIth Jets and Trophy Wives Quarterly Journal.

RBS

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Sherlock Hound  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:39:40pm

re: #84 jaunte

“Madam Secretary…”

“…Ma’am. Yes, Ma’am”
“Yes, Ma’am!”

If only.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:39:46pm

IT SO MUCH TEH UNFAIRS!!!!1!!

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:41:20pm

re: #57 plansbandc

I am firmly convinced that regardless of how the fascist does in the election there is going to be widespread violence. He is inciting violent hate in his supporters and it’s only going to get worse in the next few months.

Genuinely scared for our country.

Don’t be scared. The bullies love that. Get angry about the possibility and don’t even let them have a chance to do it. I’m not entirely sure of what will have to be done, but most of it will require vigilance on our part, and not ignore the signals the idiots will give off. And then report them.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:41:38pm

THE MEDIA IS SO UNFAIR
I WISH THEY’D GO AWAY
THEY NEVER WRITE JUST WHAT I WANT
BUT ONLY WHAT I SAY

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:41:43pm

re: #88 Sherlock Hound

“Madam Secretary…”

“…Ma’am. Yes, Ma’am”
“Yes, Ma’am!”

If only.

I just hope he talked her into not dropping out and told her she had a good chance at winning in November…but it wouldn’t be a campaign risk to embrace $15/hr and free state tuition…if we can afford two wars we can afford to educate our young.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:42:21pm
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jaunte  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:42:48pm

People “writing false” things about Trump:
National Review, the Des Moines Register, Univision, BuzzFeed, the Daily Beast, Fusion, the Huffington Post, and Mother Jones.
motherjones.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:43:34pm

UPDATE:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:43:43pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:43:51pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

And there is nothing we can do about it, because the other side refuses to even accept their own proposals.

I’m all in for declaring the NRA a terrorist supporter.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:44:02pm

re: #94 jaunte

People “writing false” things about Trump:
National Review, the Des Moines Register, Univision, BuzzFeed, the Daily Beast, Fusion, the Huffington Post, and Mother Jones.
motherjones.com

Washington Post.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:45:50pm
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Great White Snark  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:45:52pm

re: #64 Stanley Sea

HOLY SHIT.

See if it was actually a Trump campaign advisor that grabbed the kid.

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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:46:21pm

re: #95 The Vicious Babushka

You knew that was coming, despite Trump’s accusations of our own military looting for years.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:47:57pm

Isn’t soldiers stealing a bunch of cash in Iraq a movie plot?

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:47:58pm
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BeachDem  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:48:04pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’ll tell you what—of all Trump’s repulsive, obnoxious, toxic crap, this is, to me, the scariest. And the media just shuffles along. They should be OUTRAGED! How dare that misanthropic yam decide what is proper press coverage. And how dare the “news” media cover his bullshit without constantly screaming at the top of their lungs.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:48:09pm

Goldman Sachs hired prostitutes to win Libyan business, court told
Wall Street Bank disputes allegations by Libyan sovereign wealth fund that it paid for the women, as well as private jets and five-star hotels

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:48:36pm
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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:49:23pm

re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #99 Eric The Fruit Bat

Crap, two mass shootings in one day? Are they simply trying to run up the score now?

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BeachDem  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:50:53pm

re: #84 jaunte

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Why did he feel the need to take Jane to the meeting?

Did he take her to the meeting with Obama? Nope.

Seems totally disrespectful to me. Same as him congratulating Hillary on her campaign (but not her win) and saying they’d work together instead of that he’d work with her—because, ya know, she won and it will be HER campaign.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:51:35pm

re: #107 Anymouse

Crap, two mass shootings in one day? Are they simply trying to run up the score now?

I can’t take anymore of this tonight.
Gonna head off to sleep…

laterz, lizardz!

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:51:46pm

re: #108 BeachDem

Why did he feel the need to take Jane to the meeting?

Did he take her to the meeting with Obama? Nope.

Seems totally disrespectful to me. Same as him congratulating Hillary on her campaign (but not her win) and saying they’d work together instead of that he’d work with her—because, ya know, she won and it will be HER campaign.

I’m pretty sure the woman needs some help understanding dudebro needs.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:51:50pm

re: #95 The Vicious Babushka

UPDATE:

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When I said that dress made your butt look big is what I clearly meant was that you look marvelous in that

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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:52:07pm

re: #108 BeachDem

Why did he feel the need to take Jane to the meeting?

Did he take her to the meeting with Obama? Nope.

Seems totally disrespectful to me. Same as him congratulating Hillary on her campaign (but not her win) and saying they’d work together instead of that he’d work with her—because, ya know, she won and it will be HER campaign.

Tough to speculate on that since we weren’t there. For all we know, Bill was there too, and we don’t know what was discussed.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:52:13pm

re: #108 BeachDem

I think he’s going to be disappointed.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:52:49pm

re: #105 Eric The Fruit Bat

Goldman Sachs hired prostitutes to win Libyan business, court told
Wall Street Bank disputes allegations by Libyan sovereign wealth fund that it paid for the women, as well as private jets and five-star hotels

I said that I was over Bernie and his single issue focus, but…. These are the things that should help the constant Bernie-bashers understand the frustration that pushes formerly unaligned people into his camp.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:53:24pm
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The globulosus alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:55:55pm

re: #114 Barefoot Grin

Goldman Sachs hired whores?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:56:53pm

On the subject of US soldiers looting war booty:

I used to be on Free Republic back in the day (I know, I know but it was a long time ago and I never go there any more), the subject came up of some GI’s who looted a nazi train during WW2, full of plundered loot stolen from Jews.

It seems some Holocaust survivors were demanding the loot back.

Freepers, for the most part, thought that the GI’s “earned it” that they stole it “fair and square” from the nazi enemies, and anyway the Jews should be grateful to the GI’s for saving them so they should be happy to let the GI’s keep their stuff.

To which I said “So if you call 911 and the police come in time to stop the home invaders from raping you, it’s OK if the police take your TV?”

They were all like THAT’S DIFFERENT and WHO NEEDS POLICE I PROTECT MY OWN TV WITH MY GUNZ

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:57:24pm

re: #116 The globulosus alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin

Their client name to protect their identity: Golden Sacks.

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Great White Snark  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:58:46pm

re: #116 The globulosus alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin

Goldman Sachs hired whores?

Seems a logical recursive.

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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:59:36pm

re: #104 BeachDem

I’ll tell you what—of all Trump’s repulsive, obnoxious, toxic crap, this is, to me, the scariest. And the media just shuffles along. They should be OUTRAGED! How dare that misanthropic yam decide what is proper press coverage. And how dare the “news” media cover his bullshit without constantly screaming at the top of their lungs.

About the only folks willing to call out Mr. Trump on his outrageous statements is The Huffington Post, which is probably why he banned them from his rallies.

Don’t Let Donald Trump Get Away with This Sick Lie about the Orlando Shooting.

The comments are full of the usual conservaderp.

And on every article now:

Editor’s note: Donald Trump regularly incites political violence and is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist and birther who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims — 1.6 billion members of an entire religion — from entering the U.S.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 14, 2016 • 7:59:40pm

re: #116 The globulosus alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin

Goldman Sachs hired whores?

That’s what I heard during this primary.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:01:54pm
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Shimshon  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:05:30pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump’s fanatics will tell you what HUGE fans they are of the Constitution. Only Dems and 0bama wipe their a$$ with it!

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Brian J.  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:06:38pm

On to Nevada!

Congressman Joe Heck is winning the early vote (mostly from the Reno area) for the Republican Senate nomination, running well ahead of Sharron Angle’s comeback attempt. On the Democratic side, Catherine Cortez-Masto is far ahead, as expected.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:07:45pm
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Shimshon  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:07:52pm

re: #95 The Vicious Babushka

UPDATE:

Trump should go back to reading a teleprompter, then he won’t make so many mistakes.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:08:10pm

re: #105 Eric The Fruit Bat

Goldman Sachs hired prostitutes to win Libyan business, court told
Wall Street Bank disputes allegations by Libyan sovereign wealth fund that it paid for the women, as well as private jets and five-star hotels

I didn’t even get a toaster. : (

RBS

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Brian J.  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:08:22pm

Oh, and Sandbagger Lucy Flores is well behind in the early vote for the 4th District House seat. One of Bernard’s few ventures into supporting downballot candidates.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:08:24pm

re: #116 The globulosus alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin

Goldman Sachs hired whores?

In order to….

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:09:46pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:10:54pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Trump is probably going to claim he meant Iraqi soldiers.

Did I call this one or what?

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:10:54pm
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majii  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:12:12pm

re: #128 Brian J.

Any news about how Michele Fiore’s doing? I hope she’s losing badly.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:12:16pm

SImpler explanation: Trump carelessly insulted the US military because he thought he could get away with it.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:13:29pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

Did I call this one or what?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:14:17pm

dear mr the trump entity,

it isnt going to work, the republic party is not going to dump you no matter what you say quit now while you still have some money left you have a grape future in show business you will meet a handsome stranger bzzzt bzzzt bzzzt

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Brian J.  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:14:34pm

re: #133 majii

Any news about how Michele Fiore’s doing? I hope she’s losing badly.

Third place in the 3rd District primary at 18%, behind Danny Tarkanian (33%) and Michael Roberson (23%).

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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:14:47pm

With all the Republicans dodging questions about Donald Trump, I can only come to one conclusion.

Like George W. Bush’s “if you aren’t with us you are against us,” they are supporting the orange fascist talking yam.

Liberals took a beating for years questioning our loyalty or patriotism to the nation because we opposed a war of choice. It is time to turn that around. You are either with fascism, or you are against it; sitting on the fence or dodging questions counts as support. You are disloyal to the nation and unpatriotic if you would not oppose a fascist within your own party with every fibre of your being.

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majii  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:16:34pm

re: #134 jaunte

He meant what he said when he accused American troops of stealing money meant for reconstruction in Iraq. The walk-back only came after someone on his campaign staff told him his comment was spreading on social media. I read at TPM today that republicans in Congress are running away from Trump as fast as their legs will carry them. Sen. Lamar Alexander even went so far as to claim that the GOP doesn’t have a 2016 presidential candidate, and Cruz ran for the nearest elevator to avoid having to say anything about Trump. They deserve this. They really deserve this.

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retired cynic  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:18:02pm

re: #135 Reality Based Steve

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Look at that long finger!

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:18:22pm
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Lidane  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:19:09pm

ROFL:

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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:21:38pm

re: #142 Lidane

I hope he still has to pay for the venue.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:22:53pm

Oh, well then:

Trump backer John Bolton: Obama unqualified because ‘snark in a president not an admirable trait’

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:23:12pm

Well, I’m off to bed. Early wakeup to go hit some balls at the range, then a quick 9 holes of golf with the boss and his friend. (Must remember that it’s a ‘friendly’ game, keep my competive nature in check)

In closing, this is from a friend of mine who just came back from a week diving / exploring trip in Belize.

Key Learnings from Central America:
1) Tennessee is not really that hot.
2) If you spear fish and feed sharks enough, they will point out prey for you like a hunting dog.
3) 50 SPF sunblock is wholly inadequate for Caucasians with no base tan.
4) Howler monkeys do not appreciate gringos.

Sleep well and don’t let the bed-trumps bite.

RBS

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:23:19pm

90-yr-old dad and 83-yr-old mom visiting now. They lost a shitload of money in the 2008 crash due to trusting a financial advisor friend from their church. We were supposed to be middle class, but my dad was fanatical about saving for retirement, so I grew up in hand-me-downs. Of course, he saved some; he wasn’t that stupid. But he got screwed. Now they will vote for the candidate who will preserve their “entitlements” of social security and medicare. They will probably vote Hillary, but my life-long moderate republican dad, who voted for Obama because he hated what Bush and done in Iraq, has become a Bernie fan. He so fucking hates the way Wall Street fucked us. He’s never seen Hillary as an answer. But, as I said, he’s more appalled by Trump, so will likely cast one of his last votes for Hillary Clinton.

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majii  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:23:38pm

re: #142 Lidane

LOL. Since Trump claims he has a “great” brain that he consults quite often, shouldn’t it have reminded him to tell his staff to contact the Irving, PD and inform its officials of the pending rally?

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:23:46pm

re: #142 Lidane

ROFL:

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Shit happens.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:24:09pm

re: #143 Anymouse

I hope he still has to pay for the venue.

That would be fair.

RBS

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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:24:16pm

re: #144 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Oh, well then:

Trump backer John Bolton: Obama unqualified because ‘snark in a president not an admirable trait’

Because good snark requires intelligence, something Mr. Bolton wouldn’t recognise (or might fear) if a rolled up Stanford-Binet test smacked him upside the head.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:24:25pm

Rage Furby has published an open letter to America from George Zimmerman, who says the evil Muslims are going to take over America, so we need gunz!!

Also, his brother is gay.

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majii  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:25:06pm

re: #144 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Bolton needs to STFU. Anything “W” said, he was grinning like a jack*ss, even when he uttered the words, “Is our children learning yet?”

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Lidane  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:25:14pm

re: #144 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Oh, well then:

Trump backer John Bolton: Obama unqualified because ‘snark in a president not an admirable trait’

That’s totally going to hurt Obama’s reelection campaign. Oh. Wait.

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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:26:02pm

re: #153 Lidane

That’s totally going to hurt Obama’s reelection campaign. Oh. Wait.

Such snark indicates Mr. Bolton would not consider you suitable for President. I guess your campaign is over.

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Brian J.  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:26:50pm

re: #154 Anymouse

Such snark indicates Mr. Bolton would not consider you suitable for President. I guess your campaign is over.

Wasn’t he one of the cast of thousands of suspected possible NeverTumps at some point? Or was that last cycle? Or the one before that?

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majii  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:26:54pm

re: #150 Anymouse

I enjoy good snark. Bolton has run out of ways to insult this particular president, so he’s now become a critic of snark!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:27:11pm

re: #149 Reality Based Steve

That would be fair.

RBS

Trump takes months to pay his bills.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:27:17pm
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Lidane  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:28:06pm

My surprise, etc. —

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:28:22pm

re: #151 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Rage Furby has published an open letter to America from George Zimmerman, who says the evil Muslims are going to take over America, so we need gunz!!

Also, his brother is gay.

Wow, that is one seriously batshit post.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:28:26pm
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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:29:26pm

re: #156 majii

I enjoy good snark. Bolton has run out of ways to insult this particular president, so he’s now become a critic of snark!

Good snark is like good puns; it requires a very large vocabulary and a clever, quick mind to work well. (One reason Wonkette is a good place for laughs.)

Snark is also a useful vehicle for punching up. As most conservative comedy (at least to me) seems to involve punching down, I am not surprised Mr. Bolton would not care for it.

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majii  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:30:03pm

re: #142 Lidane

I followed TPM’s link to the article posted at NBC-DFW, and there’s one comment:”Thanks, Irving for denying me my chance to meet the next president.”

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Brian J.  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:31:20pm

re: #163 majii

I followed TPM’s link to the article posted at NBC-DFW, and there’s one comment:”Thanks, Irving for denying me my chance to meet the next president.”

If Trumpy Dumpy keeps on his current trajectory, I’m sure the next president will visit, to campaign for those sweet, sweet 38 electoral votes that will be in play.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:33:46pm

Judge Aaron Persky removed from sexual assault case amid complaints after Brock Turner verdict

He better watch out for iocaine powder, too.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:33:47pm

re: #158 Dr. Matt

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ZOMG!!!! Trump is mutated Naked Mole Rat Man

The resemblance is Remarkable
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:36:37pm

re: #160 Charles Johnson

Wow, that is one seriously batshit post.

Indeed. GZ is a scary guy.

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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:37:34pm

re: #164 Brian J.

I’m still holding out for my own state (and Kansas to the south) to be in play.

Gov. Sam Brownback in Kansas is universally loathed there now. The GOP has to deal with two despised people on the ticket. Their legislators have turned on him with the long knives (though they voted for his measures).

Here in Nebraska with our split electoral votes, in 2012 one went to President Obama (and that district ousted the GOP representative and replaced him with a Democrat).

There are three districts: Omaha and cities around it, Lincoln and cities around it, and everything else (deep outback Nebraska where I live). In addition, the senatorial electoral votes go to the candidate with the most votes.

If the cities go in big for Mrs. Clinton this year, my own district will be overwhelmed and Mrs. Clinton will take at least four of our five votes.

It will be interesting if the cash-strapped GOP has to come to Nebraska of all places to defend what would normally be a safe seat (like Utah).

Without getting my hopes up too much, this is beginning to look like a landslide that will put the GOP in low double-digits on electoral votes, and massacre the down ballot candidates.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:38:09pm

re: #167 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Indeed. GZ is a scary guy.

Women-beating thug says what?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:39:47pm

wgntv.com

GLEN ELLYN, Ill — A mosque in suburban Glen Ellyn made an open invitation to anyone who would like to pray for the victims in Orlando tonight.

Members of different faiths prayed together as part of the interfaith service to remember those who died and those still recovering.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:40:06pm
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Lidane  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:40:07pm
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Brian J.  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:40:41pm

re: #168 Anymouse

I’m still holding out for my own state (and Kansas to the south) to be in play.

Gov. Sam Brownback in Kansas is universally loathed there now. The GOP has to deal with two despised people on the ticket.

Here in Nebraska with our split electoral votes, in 2012 one went to President Obama (and that district ousted the GOP representative and replaced him with a Democrat).

There are three districts: Omaha and cities around it, Lincoln and cities around it, and everything else (deep outback Nebraska where I live). In addition, the senatorial electoral votes go to the candidate with the most votes.

If the cities go in big for Mrs. Clinton this year, my own district will be overwhelmed and Mrs. Clinton will take at least four of our five votes.

It will be interesting if the cash-strapped GOP has to come to Nebraska of all places to defend what would normally be a safe seat (like Utah).

Without getting my hopes up too much, this is beginning to look like a landslide that will put the GOP in low double-digits on electoral votes, and massacre the down ballot candidates.

For your sake, I hope so. My state’s electoral votes are probably going to be even harder to shift than Nebraska’s; we tied Mississippi for the lowest share of the white vote going to Obama in 2012 (13 percent), and an April poll had Trump up by 16. Our state elections were last year, and as of now, my GOoPer Congresscritter has no opposition at all.

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retired cynic  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:40:47pm

re: #168 Anymouse

I’d love it, but it is sooooo early!

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KGxvi  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:41:12pm

Too much?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:41:52pm

re: #166 Reality Based Steve

Actually. The naked mole rat is a carbon copy clone of Trump.

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majii  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:42:50pm

re: #167 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

For some reason that eludes me, GZ has had his hate on for the president since he gunned down Trayvon Martin, all because the president said, “He could be my son.” His entire family seems to blame the president for their troubles. Last I read, the family is still in hiding and switches residences every few months. If its living in fear, they have GZ to blame and no one else.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:45:17pm

re: #177 majii

For some reason that eludes me, GZ has had his hate on for the president since he gunned down Trayvon Martin, all because the president said, “He could be my son.” His entire family seems to blame the president for their troubles. Last I read, the family is still in hiding and switches residences every few months. If its living in fear, they have GZ to blame and no one else.

Transference of blame. I don’t think Zimmerman wants to face up psychologically to the fact he killed a man.

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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:45:43pm

re: #174 retired cynic

I’d love it, but it is sooooo early!

Good. Plenty of time for my state legislators to sweat the candidate at the top of the GOP ticket, and plenty more time for Mr. Trump to make a fool of himself and his party.

Every time he opens his mouth, a Democrat or Libertarian gets a new pair of wings. One of our state senators bailed out of the GOP last week and joined the Libertarian Party.

While I am no fan of the LP, they are not running a fascist or endorsing one.

I would like to see former Gov. Gary Johnson get high enough in the polling to be on the national debate stage with Secretary Clinton and Mr. Trump. Nothing wrong with two people to tag-team eviscerating the Velveeta Raccoon.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:46:05pm
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Reality Based Steve  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:47:17pm

Ok, now I’m really going to bed. Was going through some of my old images and memes that I’ve downloaded and ran across this one. It seems more than appropriate

.

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Jay C  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:47:50pm

re: #163 majii

I followed TPM’s link to the article posted at NBC-DFW, and there’s one comment:”Thanks, Irving for denying me my chance to meet the next president.”

Someone should post the response : “Not to worry - Hillary Clinton will be through next month, you can get your wish…..”

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Great White Snark  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:47:56pm

re: #177 majii

F@#* George Zimmerman. Poster boy for the 21st century vigilante. Seriously you shoot and kill some unarmed kid in a fistfight and you stay the hell out of trouble, TV, controversy and the public view. Have we still not resurrected public shaming? If not for this guy, then who?

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majii  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:47:57pm

re: #178 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He may not want to face up to it, but someone in his family should tell him being in the news so much is not a good thing to do because it reminds them that he killed a child no matter what the jury decided.

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Brian J.  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:49:30pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:49:31pm

re: #184 majii

He may not want to face up to it, but someone in his family should tell him being in the news so much is not a good thing to do because it reminds them that he killed a child no matter what the jury decided.

Writing for Rage Furby’s blog means he gets read by dozens of people who already believe he’s innocent.

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Lidane  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:49:32pm

WSJ reporter:

Trump accusing the troops of theft seems to be going well. ////////////

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:50:19pm
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electrotek  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:51:18pm

re: #163 majii

I followed TPM’s link to the article posted at NBC-DFW, and there’s one comment:”Thanks, Irving for denying me my chance to meet the next president.”

I posted there as well.

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whitebeach  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:53:00pm

re: #173 Brian J.

My state’s electoral votes are probably going to be even harder to shift than Nebraska’s; we tied Mississippi for the lowest share of the white vote going to Obama in 2012 (13 percent), and an April poll had Trump up by 16. Our state elections were last year, and as of now, my GOoPer Congresscritter has no opposition at all.

Your state is mine, Louisiana, and I have to agree with you. Still, there’s room for at least a shred of hope. April was a while ago, and I don’t think that Trump has done much in the way of adding voters here since then. Not to mention that Jindal endorsed him, and Jindal is roughly as popular as West Nile virus. At least it might be closer than history would suggest. But man, if somehow Louisiana could actually swing for Hillary, you’d have to believe she’d take at least 45 states.

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majii  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:53:54pm

re: #187 Lidane

His campaign has already tried to “clarify” his comment by saying he was talking about Iraqi troops stealing the reconstruction funds, but it appears the “clarification” isn’t going so well for Trump. For years since 2009, many in the GOP/TP have ridiculed the current president for using a TelePrompTer, but it appears Trump could really benefit from using one at his events.

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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:55:51pm

Since Mr. Trump is going after Iraqi War thieves, perhaps I should inform the Nebraska Gold Star Mothers and Families President her son died as an accused thief according to Mr. Trump.

I have her on my short E-mail list, I am just not sure how to inform her in a way without angering her at me (we know each other personally).

Perhaps she will get it from the news or someone else. I suspect that would divorce her from supporting Mr. Trump, even if she chooses not to vote for Mrs. Clinton.

Bashing veterans or the surviving parents of the fallen around these parts is not a really good strategy for winning the election here.

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KGxvi  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:56:03pm

re: #191 majii

His campaign has already tried to “clarify” his comment by saying he was talking about Iraqi troops stealing the reconstruction funds, but it appears the “clarification” isn’t going so well for Trump. For years since 2009, many in the GOP/TP have ridiculed the current president for using a TelePrompTer, but it appears Trump could really benefit from using one at his events.

Isn’t there an old political adage that says “if you’re explaining, you’re losing”?

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retired cynic  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:56:38pm

re: #192 Anymouse

I think I’d let her find out another way!

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Great White Snark  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:57:27pm

Too far? RT if not…

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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 8:58:55pm

Getting the Nebraska Gold Star Mothers and Families President on record as opposing Mr. Trump (or at least not supporting him) would swing a large number of members against him.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:00:33pm

re: #178 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Transference of blame. I don’t think Zimmerman wants to face up psychologically to the fact he killed a man.

Zimmy couldnt give the first shit that he murdered someone. He’d do it again (likely will with his temperament, personality and attitude). His dad seemed like a racist, too. Apples, trees, etc.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:01:18pm

re: #182 Jay C

Someone should post the response : “Not to worry - Hillary Clinton will be through next month, you can get your wish…..”

That was exactly my first thought.

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majii  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:02:24pm

re: #195 Great White Snark

Good to see Politico reporting Trump’s claim of American troops stealing Iraq reconstruction funds. Gives his comment legs and puts him on the defensive.

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electrotek  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:04:06pm

re: #198 MsJ

That was exactly my first thought.

Already did it.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:04:11pm

We already have some journalists who are going to try to cover for Trump’s attack on Iraq veterans by saying he was “right.” No, he wasn’t right. He explicitly said they stole millions and got away with it… but any soldiers who skimmed from the reconstruction money took far less than millions and they were caught, tried, and convicted.

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Great White Snark  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:08:42pm

re: #201 Charles Johnson

And why exactly was this suddenly a thing to say? By what possible measure did this make sense at any level to bring up? This guy has our colloquial crazy uncle beat to hell.

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Lidane  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:09:05pm
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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:10:40pm

re: #201 Charles Johnson

We already have some journalists who are going to try to cover for Trump’s attack on Iraq veterans by saying he was “right.” No, he wasn’t right. He explicitly said they stole millions and got away with it… but soldiers who skimmed from the reconstruction money took far less than millions and they were caught, tried, and convicted.

Many people are saying across the Internet that the press should stop reporting on Mr. Trump.

No, I want every last word he utters to be spread worldwide with as much ink as can be produced. Even the Economist says he is the greatest threat the world faces.

I want the GOP to either oust this guy or have him be the captain that takes down their ship.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:12:48pm

re: #201 Charles Johnson

We already have some journalists who are going to try to cover for Trump’s attack on Iraq veterans by saying he was “right.” No, he wasn’t right. He explicitly said they stole millions and got away with it… but soldiers who skimmed from the reconstruction money took far less than millions and they were caught, tried, and convicted.

And, his own campaign claims he was talking about Iraqis, not American soldiers.
So the argument that he was “right” about Americans stealing is in conflict with his own defense.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:13:13pm

re: #203 Lidane

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These people really should know better than to fall for the Trump campaign’s pitifully obvious attempts to cover up his mistakes.

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retired cynic  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:14:51pm

re: #206 Charles Johnson

These people really should know better than to fall for the Trump campaign’s pitifully obvious attempts to cover up his mistakes.

Yes, they should. Ahem.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:16:48pm

The Onion interviews an AR-15:

It’s An Honor To Continue Being Valued Over Countless Human Lives

You see, I’m just a humble lightweight, magazine-fed semi-automatic rifle; I never expected this kind of outpouring of affection. But time and time again, you’ve shown me how much I matter to you. To see so many people—people who could be working to protect and care for human lives—actively devoting their time and energy to making sure I’m the one who’s protected and cared for instead—it’s beyond touching.

Don’t think I haven’t noticed all this. Rarely a month goes by without all of you pausing to weigh me against a certain number of lives—often a dozen or more—and quickly deciding I’m more worthwhile. Gosh, you must really, really love me.

I mean, wow, who do I thank first? I guess I’ve got to start with lawmakers. No one so consistently speaks up on my behalf, praises what I stand for, and does everything in their power to make sure no harm ever comes to me. These are individuals who have hundreds of thousands of constituents whose lives they could so easily put ahead of my interests, yet these principled elected officials steadfastly refuse to do so. Instead, they stick to their guiding beliefs and firmly declare that I—a simple modular rifle with high-capacity-magazine compatability—have more value than any number of human beings. It’s truly humbling.

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majii  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:18:23pm

re: #204 Anymouse

I agree. I want the MSM to report everything this tool says, and I want his campaign to be asked to defend the nutty things he says. The nation’s people and the world must be made aware of how dangerous he would be as our next POTUS. I think a major reason the GOP/TP has gone so far to the right is due to the refusal of journalists to highlight how far out of the mainstream their ideas are. Instead of doing this, journalists have been cowed into reporting their madness and thereby, giving it legitimacy. There’s nothing legitimate about allowing them to deviate far from the Constitution and call it freedom.

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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:19:20pm

Huffington Post has an article up now that two days after the Orlando Massacre, they sent in someone to buy an AR-15, and it took less time than dealing with the DMV or buying a load of groceries.

So much for Florida’s so-called state of emergency.

huffingtonpost.com

They also note the seller told the buyer the background checks were taking longer than usual, as people are scrambling to buy such rifles after the mass murder. (Mass murders are always good for business, as noted by the sharp uptick of gun manufacturer stocks on the stock exchange today.)

The entire purchase took thirty-eight minutes. They didn’t buy any ammo though; the store apologised the .223 ammo had all sold out in the wake of the shooting.

They used an out-of-state driver’s license as ID.

Huff Po says they will return the gun for a refund. (I would rather see them give it to the guy on the Hydraulic Press Channel on YouTube - he crushes things with a multi-ton hydraulic press for fun.)

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:26:39pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:29:10pm
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Anymouse  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:33:24pm

aSeeing arguments on-line that the only way to get the National Rifle Association to change its culture and return to an organisation that promoted gun safety might be to have a mass of people join to overwhelm its board in their next elections.

Sounds good, but I don’t think anyone could organise such a movement to be effective.

Off to bed… .

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:35:24pm

re: #213 Anymouse

Seeing arguments on-line that the only way to get the National Rifle Association to change its culture and return to an organisation that promoted gun safety might be to have a mass of people join to overwhelm its board in their next elections.

Sounds good, but I don’t think anyone could organise such a movement to be effective.

It wouldn’t be the next election, or the one after that, but maybe, starting the one after that, there might be some inroads. But that would require liberals to organize, and we’re afraid of turning into cult atheists.

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blueraven  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:41:17pm
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electrotek  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:43:10pm

re: #214 Belafon

It wouldn’t be the next election, or the one after that, but maybe, starting the one after that, there might be some inroads. But that would require liberals to organize, and we’re afraid of turning into cult atheists.

I’m down with a flash vogue mob to make that happen.

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Brian J.  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:43:49pm

Trivia about the Nevada primary:

None of the Above is in third place on each side in the Senate races, ahead of two Democrats and seven Republicans.

The BernieBro trio are all in second place in their congressional races, trailing by 16 points (Flores), 51 points (Sbaih), and 74 points (Solorio). None are even mildly threatening at this point.

Michelle Fiore is still at 18% in the 3rd District GOP race, 15 points behind Tarkanian with 38% of precincts reporting.

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William Lewis  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:48:49pm

re: #210 Anymouse

They used an out-of-state driver’s license as ID.

If this is true, then both the buyer and seller committed a federal felony offense good for a 10 year vacation at Club Fed. The only way a sale of a long arm to an out of state person is legal is if the firearm is shipped to a FFL in the buyers home state and the background check is completed there. If the buyer left that store with rifle in hand, a straw purchase was committed. The reporter, BTW, has no immunity to prosecution for this felony either.

That neither buyer or seller appears to have noticed this small issue points out the real problem - that BATFE is chronically underfunded and can not enforce the laws already on the books.

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electrotek  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:50:16pm

re: #218 William Lewis

If this is true, then both the buyer and seller committed a federal felony offense good for a 10 year vacation at Club Fed. The only way a sale of a long arm to an out of state person is legal is if the firearm is shipped to a FFL in the buyers home state and the background check is completed there. If the buyer left that store with rifle in hand, a straw purchase was committed. The reporter, BTW, has no immunity to prosecution for this felony either.

That neither buyer or seller appears to have noticed this small issue points out the real problem - that BATFE is chronically underfunded and can not enforce the laws already on the books.

Damn they both dun goof’d

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retired cynic  Jun 14, 2016 • 9:50:39pm

re: #218 William Lewis

Deliberately underfunded, IMO.

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Shimshon  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:00:08pm

re: #208 Eric The Fruit Bat

The Onion interviews an AR-15:

Yes but you see, the founders wanted the people to be armed so they could overthrow the government. Even though the founders also put in a passage about the President having the authority to call up the “militia” to put down domestic rebellions.

I try not to think too much when reading what right wingers post online, it really hurts my head. Every big site now from Fark to reddit and everything in between has turned into Free Republic/Stormfront/4chan. I hope this nice place stays free from that insanity.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:01:35pm

re: #134 jaunte

SImpler explanation: Trump carelessly insulted the US military because he thought he could get away with it.

I disagree.

The wingnut love of the soldier is abstract and fetishistic. It has nothing to do with the actual kids who sign up for reasons that aren’t always majestic and straight jingoism, it has nothing to do with the veterans they become who aren’t always proud of what they did; it has nothing to do with the injured and the haunted who need material help and understanding that what they went through was traumatizing, not an action film. If the wingnut love of country is simply abstracted narcissism—the nation is good because the nation is simply the people exactly like the wingnut—the love of the military is about projecting their insecurity and aggression onto the world stage.

But…

Given a choice between blaming the Important Old White Dudes that define the boundaries of wingnut existence and the actual, living, problems-having individual soldiers of the US Armed Forces—they’ll slag the latter, because they’re not really important as human beings, just as symbols.

These are the people that love WWII because there’s a clean narrative in which we’re the awesome heroes that beat ultimate evil and then come home and lead clean suburban lives as the country prospers. This is achieved by simplifying the picture of the war, and conveniently forgetting the details about the post-war that muddy up the idea of the wholesome war heroes that were untouched by their service. PTSD has been consistently slagged as just weakness, and still is by a certain kind of armchair tough guy. But at the same time, there were moral panics after WWII and Korea about all the vets becoming bikers. And the subsequent wars we didn’t win outright, that had murky motives and unclear conclusions..those don’t get the same kind of attention. Iraq 1 got us excited because it was a fast victory where we dominated the opponent, and the opponent was a massive, evil asshole. Iraq 2 started out exciting…and then things went wrong. Lots of people shit talked PTSD…again…but also got in a hissy over TBIs in much the same “those pansies” terms.

Which brings us to Trump. For all his lumpen appeal that appalls the patricians of the GOP, Trump is still a kind of elitist—the same kind that asswipes like Rush and the various Shouty Men of Wingnut Multimedia are: vain cowards who crave any opportunity to look down and say “No,” because they imagine themselves as singularly brave and competent, and won’t defer to anyone. And their audience is people who imagine that they, too, are brave and competent, and only held down by constant betrayals and blunders of other, lesser people. They have to continually find and condemn new targets, reinforcing that only the wingnuts are righteous, and that everybody else has let them down.

ETA: Trump is precisely the kind of vainglorious armchair tough guy that America has produced since 1945. He talks about war like it’s a street fight for respect. He talks about conflict by framing it in terms of basic dominance. His insult of John McCain’s POW experience was a massive tell; he’s got no time for the complexity of actually being a soldier…your job is to win and not make Donald Trump feel like a loser. It’s war as macho personal fulfilment…and that’s why his followers like how he talks. They also think of war as personal: they want to win, and to hurt the other, so they can feel strong.

Soldiers of a failed war being crooks works well with that general “can’t fail, can only be failed” ethos. Wingnuts are preoccupied with mythic, singular rulers because that’s their power fantasy—license to say and do without check—and are unwilling to countenance their objects of worship fucking up. There always has to be some untermensch (or untermenschen) who spoiled everything. It’s not the planners that failed, or that the plan was shit because it was all profiteering, no follow-through, no fucks given about the guys on the ground…it’s because the guys on the bottom rung, with no power, fucked up.

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William Lewis  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:05:18pm

re: #220 retired cynic

Deliberately underfunded, IMO.

Of course. They are nothing but “Jack booted Thugs” according to the NRA.

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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:17:42pm

re: #221 Shimshon

I try not to think too much when reading what right wingers post online, it really hurts my head. Every big site now from Fark to reddit and everything in between has turned into Free Republic/Stormfront/4chan. I hope this nice place stays free from that insanity.

It will. That’s why it’s a nice place.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:20:25pm

re: #221 Shimshon

Yes but you see, the founders wanted the people to be armed so they could overthrow the government. Even though the founders also put in a passage about the President having the authority to call up the “militia” to put down domestic rebellions.

I try not to think too much when reading what right wingers post online, it really hurts my head. Every big site now from Fark to reddit and everything in between has turned into Free Republic/Stormfront/4chan. I hope this nice place stays free from that insanity.

One day an AI is going to come online, scan over the contents of the Internet, and make some assessments.

And then either we all die or there’s going to be some extremely weird sex.

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William Lewis  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:23:10pm

Tablet fubar.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:26:36pm

re: #218 William Lewis

If this is true, then both the buyer and seller committed a federal felony offense good for a 10 year vacation at Club Fed. The only way a sale of a long arm to an out of state person is legal is if the firearm is shipped to a FFL in the buyers home state and the background check is completed there. If the buyer left that store with rifle in hand, a straw purchase was committed. The reporter, BTW, has no immunity to prosecution for this felony either.

That neither buyer or seller appears to have noticed this small issue points out the real problem - that BATFE is chronically underfunded and can not enforce the laws already on the books.

Um William, that applies to handguns but it has been legal to buy long guns out of state since 1986 when the Firearms Owner’s Protection Act was passed.

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whitebeach  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:30:52pm

re: #222 The Ghost of a Flea

This.

This is brilliant, and beautifully worded.

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:30:54pm
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Shimshon  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:32:39pm

re: #224 teleskiguy

It will. That’s why it’s a nice place.

Drew Cutis over at Fark sold out to the Koch brothers in his attempt at getting into politics and his failure of becoming Governor of Kentucky. He started getting buddy buddy with lots of right wing blogs like Breitbart, Daily Caller, and Reason, some authors over there I found were submitting their own articles and those topics overrun with concern trolls to boost page views and try to legitimize their claims. I am new here but like the environment and hope it doesn’t take a turn for the worse.

re: #225 The Ghost of a Flea

One day an AI is going to come online, scan over the contents of the Internet, and make some assessments.

And then either we all die or there’s going to be some extremely weird sex.

So that’s where Person of Interest go their idea about Samaraton.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:33:40pm

re: #229 Kragar

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And only the fact that college students have been many of his most ardent supporters kept Bernie from demanding that “those punk kids must be chased off my lawn”.

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William Lewis  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:36:01pm

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

Um William, that applies to handguns but it has been legal to buy long guns out of state since 1986 when the Firearms Owner’s Protection Act was passed.

Looks like the documents I received with my FFL some time ago were not up to date. I would advise checking the ATF web site to be sure.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:43:42pm

Conservatives desperate to do stupid sh*t after Orlando attack

….And while the writers at The Federalist lust after sending other people’s kids into the meat-grinder, all of this is in keeping with Obama’s “don’t do stupid shit” doctrine….

We tried doing stupid shit, and it led to disastrous results across the region and beyond. Not doing stupid shit is working, slowly but surely, so let’s just stick with that.

Like they say, read the whole thing—it’s very informative.

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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:45:38pm

re: #230 Shimshon

I’ve been reading LGF for over a decade. Been a member since 2008. Charles runs a pretty tight ship. This place is an oasis, and will be for the foreseeable future.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:46:31pm

re: #232 William Lewis

Looks like the documents I received with my FFL some time ago were not up to date. I would advise checking the ATF web site to be sure.

Well, one should always check the applicable laws. That should go without saying (I know it doesn’t always do so, but it should).

As a note, the Wikipedia page on the law I cited is here.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:53:34pm

Ah, but enough dark ruminations on the law! Let’s watch something upbeat and patriotic, that being M1A2 SEP V2 MBTs of the 3rd Mechanized Infantry Division on the move during the recent exercises in Poland. Keep an eye out for a guest shot or two of the M2 Bradley as well.

Abrams Tank Maneuver • System Enhancement Package (SEP) V2

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 14, 2016 • 10:57:26pm

Darrell Issa continuing to be a fool.

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whitebeach  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:04:29pm

re: #236 Dark_Falcon

Looks like a hell of a war machine, but the camouflage must make the Russians, who are masters of that art, pee their pants laughing.

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majii  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:04:35pm

re: #237 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He’s trying to take the focus off Trump and revive the old claim that the IRS is evil and the scourge of every American. I owed the IRS thousands in taxes for 2015. I wrote a check, took it to the post office, sent it to the agency, and at no time did I fear retribution from the agency. I’m scratching my head, trying to figure out the kind of retribution he’s talking about. It certainly doesn’t mean time behind bars for most Americans unless they’ve failed to pay very large amounts of taxes on income.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:11:09pm

re: #239 majii

He’s trying to take the focus off Trump and revive the old claim that the IRS is evil and the scourge of every American. I owed the IRS thousands in taxes for 2015. I wrote a check, took it to the post office, sent it to the agency, and at no time did I fear retribution from the agency. I’m scratching my head, trying to figure out the kind of retribution he’s talking about. It certainly doesn’t mean time behind bars for most Americans unless they’ve failed to pay very large amounts of taxes on income.

I assume he’s referring to tax-exempt organizations that delve into politics, which violates IRS regulations. I know of no individuals who have been targeted for political reasons by the IRS.

As you say, though, it’s Issa trying to divert attention from the latest BS coming from Team Trump and the bigot brigade.

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Cheechako  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:12:42pm

re: #213 Anymouse

aSeeing arguments on-line that the only way to get the National Rifle Association to change its culture and return to an organisation that promoted gun safety might be to have a mass of people join to overwhelm its board in their next elections.

Sounds good, but I don’t think anyone could organise such a movement to be effective.

Off to bed… .

NRA prevents that. You must be a member for 5 years before you are allowed to vote in their elections.

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majii  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:17:39pm

re: #240 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I thought we already dealt with that fake scandal a couple years ago when Issa had his IRC witch-hunt and spent millions using his hand-picked evidence to promote a lie that the IRS had singled-out RW orgs for special scrutiny. He failed to prove that either the president or the WH had told the IRS to deny those orgs tax-exempt status. It ended up being a nothing-burger. At the time, no RW org had been denied tax-exempt status from the IRS, and the only org that had been denied it was a liberal-leaning org. I’m kind of used to the GOP/TP focusing on some non-controversial issue, lying about it, and using RW media to blow it up in election years. In 2014, it was Park 51. Park 51 opened in 2015, and none who had made a huge fuss about it said one word.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:23:39pm

re: #242 majii

I thought we already dealt with that fake scandal a couple years ago when Issa had his IRC witch-hunt and spent millions using his hand-picked evidence to promote a lie that the IRS had singled-out RW orgs for special scrutiny. He failed to prove that either the president or the WH had told the IRS to deny those orgs tax-exempt status. It ended up being a nothing-burger. At the time, no RW org had been denied tax-exempt status from the IRS, and the only org that had been denied it was a liberal-leaning org. I’m kind of used to the GOP/TP focusing on some non-controversial issue, lying about it, and using RW media to blow it up in election years. In 2014, it was Park 51. Park 51 opened in 2015, and none who had made a huge fuss about it said one word.

The RW likes to resurrect old nontroversies from to time, to keep the rank and file scared.

Also, RWNJs have an incredibly short attention span. They will fuss and fume as a bloc for several weeks, then jump to the next outrageous outrage, forgetting the previous one.

Park 51 was a nothing-burger at the outset. Certainly no one in Lower Manhattan thought it was a big deal. Pam Geller tried to make into a Big Thing, but she only got traction among people who think NYC is a foreign country filled with weirdos.

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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:42:29pm
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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:44:32pm

Since neither quote has Trump saying “American” directly, I think he will insist on meaning Iraqi soldiers both times.

Here is more context for the earlier quote:

c-span.org

THESE IRAQI SOLDIERS THAT COMPRISED ISIS. THEY DIDN’T WANT TO FIGHT FOR IRAQ BECAUSE IRAQ WAS A CORRUPT GOVERNMENT. $50 MILLION IN CASH. I WANT TO KNOW WHO WERE THE SOLDIERS THAT ARE CARRYING CASH OF $50 MILLION CASH? HOW STUPID ARE WE? I WOULDN’T BE SURPRISED IF THE CACHE DIDN’T GET THERE.

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gwangung  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:46:49pm

re: #245 Nyet

Since neither quote has Trump saying “American” directly, I think he will insist on meaning Iraqi soldiers both times.

Here is more context for the earlier quote:

c-span.org

And I will insist that Trump is a liar. The Iraqi army was disbanded by us before we got the money….and only an idiot would think we wouldn’t use our own men to take care of the money.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:51:30pm

re: #246 gwangung

And I will insist that Trump is a liar. The Iraqi army was disbanded by us before we got the money….and only an idiot would think we wouldn’t use our own men to take care of the money.

You are assuming Trump knows anything and cares about facts…

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2016 • 11:52:34pm

This is the guy who thinks Eisenhower won WWII.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 15, 2016 • 12:06:21am

re: #247 Nyet

You are assuming Trump knows anything and cares about facts…

Applies to his audience, too.

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Nyet  Jun 15, 2016 • 12:08:37am

Just to be sure, I do think he means American soldiers in a sort of joking way (humor, Trump-style). It’s kinda evident from how he says it in both instances, if you watch them both. I don’t think he would be saying this about the Iraqi soldiers in this particular way. But there is enough “plausible deniability” there for him to claim he didn’t mean your soldiers.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 15, 2016 • 12:10:35am

re: #250 Nyet

Just to be sure, I do think he means American soldiers in a sort of joking way (humor, Trump-style). It’s kinda evident from how he says it in both instances, if you watch them both. I don’t think he would be saying this about the Iraqi soldiers in this particular way. But there is enough “plausible deniability” there for him to claim he didn’t mean your soldiers.

Even more puzzling: why did he bring it up at all?

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Nyet  Jun 15, 2016 • 12:11:59am

re: #251 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Even more puzzling: why did he bring it up at all?

Why does Sarah say anything?
Word salad is unanalyzable.

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Nyet  Jun 15, 2016 • 12:18:04am

Funnily enough, CNN says it was about the Afghan soldiers:

edition.cnn.com

The presumptive GOP nominee made some similar remarks in September in Keene, New Hampshire, about Afghan soldiers.
“Remember when they were handing $50 million of cash? They were going through Afghanistan paying off — I want to know, who are the soldiers that are carrying cash, $50 million, cash?” he said then. “How stupid are we? I wouldn’t be surprised — if those soldiers, I wouldn’t be surprised if the cash didn’t get there.”

And the C-SPAN transcript above is indeed incomplete because Trump did mention Afghanistan. (But, to repeat, if you listen to the speech, the way he says it indicates the American soldiers.)

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Nyet  Jun 15, 2016 • 12:18:37am
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Nyet  Jun 15, 2016 • 12:19:21am
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Nyet  Jun 15, 2016 • 12:29:19am

U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have stolen tens of millions through bribery, theft, and rigged contracts.

The weirdness of Trump making a (more or less) correct claim only to deny it because it’s not, ahem, politically correct.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 15, 2016 • 12:33:27am

re: #256 Nyet

U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have stolen tens of millions through bribery, theft, and rigged contracts.

The weirdness of Trump making a (more or less) correct claim only to deny it because it’s not, ahem, politically correct.

Weird pretty much describes this entire presidential campaign cycle.

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Nyet  Jun 15, 2016 • 12:35:08am

re: #257 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Weird pretty much describes this entire presidential campaign cycle.

Or this year. I still can’t get over an InfoWars reporter chasing David Petraeus through the streets of Dresden.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 15, 2016 • 12:36:29am

Maisie Williams pretends to be a shopgirl in a F&SF shop.

Iframe

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Nyet  Jun 15, 2016 • 12:38:33am

re: #259 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Have never watched GoT. Gotta start sometime.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 15, 2016 • 12:46:15am

re: #260 Nyet

Have never watched GoT. Gotta start sometime.

You should. It’s surprisingly good TV, and much better paced than the novels on which it’s based.

I finally gave in to peer pressure and began watching it from the beginning during season 3. I was hooked after the third episode. But I like fantasy and historical dramas, so YMMV.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2016 • 12:56:26am

re: #261 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

You should. It’s surprisingly good TV, and much better paced than the novels on which it’s based.

I finally gave in to peer pressure and began watching it from the beginning during season 3. I was hooked after the third episode. But I like fantasy and historical dramas, so YMMV.

I got through first two episodes and lost interest in continuing…

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teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2016 • 1:07:06am
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Nyet  Jun 15, 2016 • 1:12:33am

re: #262 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I got through first two episodes and lost interest in continuing…

That was the story of me watching Agent Carter.

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Nyet  Jun 15, 2016 • 1:15:14am

Anyway, we learn about what happens to Carter in Captain America: Civil War, so what’s the point?
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Scout  Jun 15, 2016 • 1:17:06am

re: #262 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I got through first two episodes and lost interest in continuing…

I have found the books rather entertaining — definitely some more than others — but the TV show does absolutely nothing for me (except I like the actress who plays the dragon queen).

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Kragar  Jun 15, 2016 • 1:18:37am
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Nyet  Jun 15, 2016 • 1:19:30am

re: #267 Kragar

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2016 • 1:48:58am

re: #266 Scout

I have found the books rather entertaining — definitely some more than others — but the TV show does absolutely nothing for me (except I like the actress who plays the dragon queen).

It is hard to tell what kind of shows I enjoy watching, lotsa people said GoT would be something I like, being a fan of history and historical fiction, but I didn’t. Likewise with Lines of Wellington and Turn, but for some reason I really got into Mad Men (because the series brings back memories of my childhood in the 60’s), Peaky Blinders and Walking Dead (although after the last episodes of the latter two, I have kinda given up on them)

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Scout  Jun 15, 2016 • 2:13:14am

re: #269 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is hard to tell what kind of shows I enjoy watching, lotsa people said GoT would be something I like, being a fan of history and historical fiction, but I didn’t. Likewise with Lines of Wellington and Turn, but for some reason I really got into Mad Men (because the series brings back memories of my childhood in the 60’s), Peaky Blinders and Walking Dead (although after the last episodes of the latter two, I have kinda given up on them)

You might like a British show I’ve gotten a kick out of: “Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell.”
imdb.com

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Alyosha  Jun 15, 2016 • 2:38:32am

Elton John - I Guess That’s Why They Call It The Blues

Gets to me every time.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2016 • 2:40:32am

re: #271 Alyosha

Gets to me every time.

A great song. Unfortunately, it was on heavy rotation on MTV so much when it came out that I got really sick of seeing it…

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teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2016 • 2:46:14am

darthstar be pimpin’ UM in comment 1. So I don’t mind pimpin’ some UM in comment 273.

Seriously, these guys are good.

Umphrey’s McGee - Mulche’s Odyssey - Immigrant Song 11/2/06

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Alyosha  Jun 15, 2016 • 2:46:35am

re: #272 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Not the biggest fan of this particular band but their album ‘Humbug’ is excellent.
The theme for this one is slightly different; a melody for the millenials.

Arctic Monkeys - ‘Cornerstone’ (Official Video) (2009)

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teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2016 • 2:56:32am

One more. A shitty Pink Floyd cover.

Umphrey’s McGee: “Shine On You Crazy Diamond” 07/03/2015

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2016 • 2:59:41am

re: #274 Alyosha

Not the biggest fan of this particular band but their album ‘Humbug’ is excellent.
The theme for this one is slightly different; a melody for the millenials.

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Video

Poor band. They got saddled with the “Next Beatles” moniker and failed to live up to it…

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Alyosha  Jun 15, 2016 • 3:07:12am

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freetoken  Jun 15, 2016 • 3:40:17am

Not being here yesterday I guess I probably missed any discussion of New Gingrich, but I gather that with Newt’s latest outburst that he feels he has to compete with Drumpfskind for being the most asinine?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2016 • 3:42:31am

re: #278 freetoken

Not being here yesterday I guess I probably missed any discussion of New Gingrich, but I gather that with Newt’s latest outburst that he feels he has to compete with Drumpfskind for being the most asinine?

He reserves the right to determine what is “un-American” and to deal with it according to his sense of justice.

And it is clear that children of immigrants, especially from non-European countries, are, by nature, suspect.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 15, 2016 • 3:55:19am

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

HOW DARE THEY QUOTE ME VERBATIM!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2016 • 4:00:39am

re: #280 Rocky-in-Connecticut

HOW DARE THEY QUOTE ME VERBATIM!

It was much easier for Berlusconi, he owned the networks.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 15, 2016 • 4:20:05am

Today’s WTF Moment:

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Buyers Remorse  Jun 15, 2016 • 4:28:48am

re: #282 Dave In Austin

In my school district they email and robocall your number when your school lunch balance is negative (I think they prefer the kids run a tab, not carry money daily). We always joke with my son that they may break his kneecaps if he doesn’t pay. For poorer students, the stamp may be a bit of a stigma. Outrage? that is up to the local community that school serves.

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TK-421  Jun 15, 2016 • 4:29:50am

Huffpo got rid of their front page footer with all the links on it, dammit.

Darth Vader NO!

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Franklin  Jun 15, 2016 • 4:40:56am

re: #282 Dave In Austin

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Franklin  Jun 15, 2016 • 4:46:14am

Daily reminder:
Don’t read the comments*. Don’t ever read the comments.

* Except here at LGF, obv.

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Buyers Remorse  Jun 15, 2016 • 4:47:31am

re: #286 Franklin

How the hell am I going to figure out the article if I don’t read the comments?!

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Franklin  Jun 15, 2016 • 4:49:47am

re: #287 Buyers Remorse

How the hell am I going to figure out the article if I don’t read the comments?!

True. Nothing like a good old commentsplainer to get the gist of it.

Some of the comments in #282 above were atrocious.

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Buyers Remorse  Jun 15, 2016 • 4:54:22am

re: #288 Franklin

Or you could do what I do and not even read the article (work doesn’t allow it if it a link through twitter).

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Buyers Remorse  Jun 15, 2016 • 4:58:33am

The Boy Who Cried Wolf

I am on outrage overload. I just can’t keep up with it.

/

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Bubblehead II  Jun 15, 2016 • 4:58:51am

Morning Lizards

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Dave In Austin  Jun 15, 2016 • 5:11:45am

re: #288 Franklin

True. Nothing like a good old commentsplainer to get the gist of it.

Some of the comments in #282 above were atrocious.

So you want me to stop??? Frank, You’re a 1st Amendment HATER!!!11!! Hater I telll ya!!11!1.

GAaaaa!!! LIBTARD!!!!!!!

//

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Dave In Austin  Jun 15, 2016 • 5:20:24am

I really really need to go mow the yard……..

But I don’t wanna….

I’m having too much fun reading about these douches in Congress running for the elevator every time the Dogshit Donald’s name comes up…..

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Dave In Austin  Jun 15, 2016 • 5:22:18am

Kenyon Buddhist!!!!!
statesman.com

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 5:24:00am

Well, tRump finally went too far….

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(((The Engineer Lobuno)))  Jun 15, 2016 • 5:26:53am

re: #295 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, tRump finally went too far….

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I don’t know what to say. Both of them (Trump and Manning) have very screwed priorities.

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jeffreyw  Jun 15, 2016 • 5:29:29am

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Good morning!

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(((The Engineer Lobuno)))  Jun 15, 2016 • 5:30:31am

re: #295 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And for the love of God, this guy’s webpage makes the former AOL page look refined!

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Sherlock Hound  Jun 15, 2016 • 5:32:30am

From Reddit, where HA (HA) Goodman really comes from: reddit.com

Spoiler: Good old Ha Ha Goodman has lots of rodent sex, but he doesn’t catch VD, WE do!

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TK-421  Jun 15, 2016 • 5:33:06am

Here’s a breakfast recipe!

Mr. Lahey - Liquorball Sandwiches

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 5:38:33am

re: #299 Sherlock Hound

From Reddit, where HA (HA) Goodman really comes from: reddit.com

Spoiler: Good old Ha Ha Goodman has lots of rodent sex, but he doesn’t catch VD, WE do!

Love this comment:

[-]mr_shortypantsProgressive in the domestic sheets, Neoliberal on the IR streets 13 points 5 hours ago

Did you even read Gooodman’s articles? She smacked his puppy with her email server in Benghazi and then trampled the puppy with 600 superdelegate accomplices, all since the puppy was about to vote for Bernie. And Debbie Watermelon-Schultz drove the getaway van. $hillary will stop at nothing to suppress the puppy vote.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 5:46:24am

So, this is a thing happening in the UK today:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2016 • 5:53:35am

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pictured: a pro-Brexit fisherman squirting water at a pro-EU dinghy

Hosers…

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2016 • 5:56:08am

re: #303 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Knobs!

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Buyers Remorse  Jun 15, 2016 • 5:58:24am

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

In America you get shot for that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 5:59:47am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 15, 2016 • 5:59:51am

As someone who has no direct influence or connection to the outcome, I hope Britain stays in the EU.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:00:53am
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Le Lapin Tueur  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:00:55am

re: #210 Anymouse

Huff Po says they will return the gun for a refund. (I would rather see them give it to the guy on the Hydraulic Press Channel on YouTube - he crushes things with a multi-ton hydraulic press for fun.)

crazy Russian dude is hysterical. I love that channel.

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Buyers Remorse  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:05:01am

From Bernie’s home state.

Officials say Vermont has produced a record amount of maple syrup this past year, thanks to an extended season with low temperatures and more people getting into the business or expanding their operations.

Vermont is by far the country’s largest producer of maple syrup. U.S. Department of Agriculture statistics show the state yielded 1.9 million gallons this year, up from 1.4 million gallons last year

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Buyers Remorse  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:10:08am

Seemed like a good idea at the time.

A man spent two days stranded on a raft in the Long Island Sound before being rescued Tuesday by a passing boater — an off-duty auxiliary Coast Guard commander, authorities said.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:14:17am

Good Morning Lizards.

So I’m hearing on the Facebook thingy that there are between 3-9 million AKs and similar weapons on the streets of America today. That means all is lost and hopeless and we simply cannot do anything at all about this. And besides, it was the evil dude who killed all those people, not the gun. Sigh. I have some questions and maybe the hive mind here can help me figure some stuff out.

1) How well do gun buy back programs work? I would think that if people were offered cash they would return guns, especially in households where money is an issue. Especially if people just don’t want to deal with selling a gun through the usual channels.

2) The Assault Weapons Ban was allowed to expire in 2004(?). So how long had these firearms been available to the public before the ban was in place? I’m assuming this was an issue or there wouldn’t have been a need seen for such a law, right? I know that while the ban was in effect we saw big drops in mass shootings, but I’m trying to figure out when these guns went from being law enforcement and military only to anyone being able to get them.

3)I am not a “gun person”. I have owned two in my life. A .22 caliber handgun and we have a hunting rifle (.308 Sig Sauer? I think? )now that I personally would rather sell than have sitting there gathering dust. So I don’t know much about all this stuff. Was there ever a time when more than cursory backround checks were required? When guns needed to be actually registered? I seem to remember by grandad (who was a cop and an avid hunter) had all of his weapons registered, but I don’t know if that was voluntary or not.

I hate to be an ignoramous, but I honestly don’t know.

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Great White Snark  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:17:05am

re: #210 Anymouse

Huffpo click bait.
What does a proper gun sale look like? A b/g check and registration right? At a legit store rather than a show without those steps? is there reason to think a radicalized jihadi will be stopped by a cooling off period? A state of emergency does not invoke new rules about purchasing anything. It’s how state resources are called and paid for. A state of emergency is not martial law.

Why not just straight call for a ban on those guns? Or the high cap magazines?

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darthstar  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:18:55am

I feel sorry for the Brits. For a small island country that has a long history of decades-long wars with its neighbors, the poor bastards haven’t had an empire related event since The Faulklands Conflict of 1982 - and that only lasted 10 weeks. They’ve gotta be hurting inside.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:22:56am

re: #282 Dave In Austin

Today’s WTF Moment:

Alabama elementary school stamps “I need lunch money” on student’s arm thkpr.gs

Electric branding iron must have been down for maintenance.

(Note that a one-off incident would be done in magic marker. This is a volume process.)

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Great White Snark  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:25:05am
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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:25:12am
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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:25:36am

re: #313 Great White Snark

Huffpo click bait.
What does a proper gun sale look like? A b/g check and registration right? At a legit store rather than a show without those steps? is there reason to think a radicalized jihadi will be stopped by a cooling off period? A state of emergency does not invoke new rules about purchasing anything. It’s how state resources are called and paid for. A state of emergency is not martial law.

Why not just straight call for a ban on those guns? Or the high cap magazines?

How about, instead of ban, we just bump assault rifles and high capacity magazines to the same level as machine guns? Require a class-II license and ATF approval before you can purchase a weapon that’s only a step removed from what our soldiers take into battle? You want to hunt? Plenty of bolt-action rifles on the market to fit your needs. Home defense? Get a baseball bat or a pump-action shotgun loaded with bird shot.

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:25:40am
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No Depression  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:26:31am

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, this is a thing happening in the UK today:

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When you have a disagreement in the UK, you get soaked in water. When you have a disagreement in the US, you get soaked in blood.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:26:46am

re: #313 Great White Snark

Huffpo click bait.
What does a proper gun sale look like? A b/g check and registration right? At a legit store rather than a show without those steps? is there reason to think a radicalized jihadi will be stopped by a cooling off period? A state of emergency does not invoke new rules about purchasing anything. It’s how state resources are called and paid for. A state of emergency is not martial law.

Why not just straight call for a ban on those guns? Or the high cap magazines?

Because the Florida legislature won’t pass such a law is why. And going after the lawmakers would simply result in the correspondents doing the going-after encountering angry pro-gun people telling the correspondents to “Get lost, Yankee!” and other, less printable shouts.

So instead the Huffington Post just went with its version of an ‘OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE!!!11’.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:31:21am

re: #310 Buyers Remorse

From Bernie’s home state.

I guess that’s good news. There was a lot of concern here just to the east of Vermont because of a lack of snow and relatively warm temps. But I guess the snow doesn’t matter and the temps were cold enough at night.

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Great White Snark  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:33:38am

re: #319 Targetpractice

I like that idea. Written here about this stuff since what 09 now? Been a while since I suggested the Pilot license model. Roughly speaking, we don’t have a right to fly. One would show a lack of violent or criminal behavior. A certain class of guns is available at that point. Then with time, certification, maybe safety tests one gets qualified to own more powerful guns. You start in a little cessna, but no twin engine or commercial flights. Until you get there.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:34:49am
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Great White Snark  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:38:27am

I wonder how much trouble I would be in if I flew a cousin to Canada, and upon arrival found out he was on the no due process, no recourse no fly list.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:39:20am
He [Trump] also suggested that some American soldiers charged with distributing money to fund the Afghan and Iraqi government embezzled it instead. “I want to know who are the soldiers carrying suitcases with $50m?” asked Trump. “How stupid are we? I wouldn’t be surprised if those soldiers, if the cash didn’t get there.”

BAN THE GUARDIAN!!! DECERTIFIED!!!!!11

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:40:40am

And that talk about how moderate rebels needed our support around Aleppo? It’s a good thing supply to that area has been curtailed, since they don’t seem to be very moderate, judging by that black Al-Nusra flag:

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:41:54am

re: #318 lawhawk

I recall that in several states it used to be illegal to hunt with with rifles that were capable of using high capacity detachable magazines. Others restricted magazines used while hunting. This is why Ruger’s Mini-14 was sold with a five round magazine.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:43:17am

re: #320 lawhawk

Stolen….without attribution :)

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Dr. Matt  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:45:20am

re: #295 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I am sadden to withdraw support @realDonaldTrump. My bible beliefs are deeply held. Sodomy is more dangerous to America than radical Islam
— James David Manning (@DrJamesDManning) June 15, 2016

What did I miss?? Did Trump brag that Melania likes anal sex?

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:45:44am

re: #329 FormerDirtDart

I recall that in several states it used to be illegal to hunt with with rifles that were capable of using high capacity detachable magazines. Others restricted magazines used while hunting. This is why Ruger’s Mini-14 was sold with a five round magazine.

There are still magazine limits for almost all game. The exception in many places is feral hogs. Because they are an invasive species, they are not subject to magazine limits and in Texas feral hogs can even be hunted with automatic weapons.

This last sounds nuts until you remember that, unlike with deer, with feral hogs you really do want to wipe out the entire group of them swiftly. In that said hogs are the exception that proves the rule.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:47:57am

re: #295 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I am sadden to withdraw support @realDonaldTrump. My bible beliefs are deeply held. Sodomy is more dangerous to America than radical Islam.
— James David Manning

Ah, someone else whose newsletters I would dearly love to read.

/

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:47:59am

Here’s my “assault weapons” bill:
1. No guns can be sold that can fire more than one bullet per trigger pull. Nor can any gun that can be easily modified to fire more than one bullet. Easily modified means being able to replace a few parts without affecting the structural integrity of the gun (welding and cutting come to mind).
2. Existing guns either have to be given up or modified so that they cannot be used. Filled full of concrete, for example. There will be a six month buy back program. After that, you either prove the gun is unusable or it will be confiscated.
3. No armor piercing bullets (I think this is already a rule, but I’ not entirely sure).
4. No magazines larger than nine rounds (or whatever it is for a 9mm). Existing magazines are covered under the same conditions as (2).
5. No body armor.
6. A limit on the size of a single round.

None of this “has a folding stock” crap. It’s all about capabilities.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:49:10am

re: #331 Dr. Matt

What did I miss?? Did Trump brag that Melania likes anal sex?

No, I think it’s just in response to Donald’s acceptance of LGBT “congratulations” for his post-Orlando speech about Muslims or something.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:50:43am

re: #335 Sir John Barron

No, I think it’s just in response to Donald’s acceptance of LGBT “congratulations” for his post-Orlando speech about Muslims or something.

Were those the congrats from a fake LGBT Twitter account?

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:50:52am

re: #331 Dr. Matt

What did I miss?? Did Trump brag that Melania likes anal sex?

Donald Trump isn’t anti-gay to any significant degree, so he’s angered some people who were hoping he’d be more open to national bathroom legislation and to blaming the gay victims of Pulse for (as such crazies see it) bringing a terrorist Muslim down on themselves.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:52:14am

re: #331 Dr. Matt

What did I miss?? Did Trump brag that Melania likes anal sex?

It’s because he wants to “protect” LGBT people by keeping “radical Muslim terrorists”—aka, any Muslims—out of the US.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:52:33am

re: #242 majii

I thought we already dealt with that fake scandal a couple years ago when Issa had his IRC witch-hunt and spent millions using his hand-picked evidence to promote a lie that the IRS had singled-out RW orgs for special scrutiny. He failed to prove that either the president or the WH had told the IRS to deny those orgs tax-exempt status. It ended up being a nothing-burger. At the time, no RW org had been denied tax-exempt status from the IRS, and the only org that had been denied it was a liberal-leaning org. I’m kind of used to the GOP/TP focusing on some non-controversial issue, lying about it, and using RW media to blow it up in election years. In 2014, it was Park 51. Park 51 opened in 2015, and none who had made a huge fuss about it said one word.

It’s a zombie-scandal, it never dies.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 15, 2016 • 6:56:55am

re: #338 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It’s because he wants to “protect” LGBT people by keeping “radical Muslim terrorists”—aka, any Muslims—out of the US.

Some anti-gay religious nuts faulted Marine le Penn of France for the same reason. To those nuts, gay people have no right to any sort of protection, as the jihadi attacks are God’s punishment for their sins. The level of hate and lack of proportionality in such sentiments is just stunning.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:01:51am

Rep. Steve King backs full gun rights for terror suspects: It’s ‘their right to defend themselves’

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:02:21am

re: #337 Dark_Falcon

Donald Trump isn’t anti-gay to any significant degree, so he’s angered some people who were hoping he’d be more open to national bathroom legislation and to blaming the gay victims of Pulse for (as such crazies see it) bringing a terrorist Muslim down on themselves.

Except for the fact that he’s stated he’d nominate/appoint justices who would roll back SSM and overturn Obergefell. You know, the ones extending equal rights/protections to LGBT. And if they’re going to overturn Obergefell, you can be damned sure they’d roll back rights for other minorities too.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:03:51am

So there was a primary yesterday, DC? Hillary won it sounds like. It’s apparently so irrelevant I have yet to see a mention of her percentage. But I’m sure the Revolution will go on.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:04:12am

re: #341 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Rep. Steve King backs full gun rights for terror suspects: It’s ‘their right to defend themselves’

OTOH, when you’ve lost O’Reilly:

What’s going on? Another Fox News host calls for assault weapon ban after Orlando massacre

Of course, he’s got to blame Obama in the same breath, but still….

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Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:04:58am

re: #341 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Rep. Steve King backs full gun rights for terror suspects: It’s ‘their right to defend themselves’

It would be no problem if Obama and Dems would just say “Radical Islamic Terrorism”.

/

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:05:02am

Stanford sexual assault: Judge Persky removed from new case

A US judge who faced criticism over his sentencing of a Stanford University student convicted of sexual assault has been removed from a similar case.

A prosecutor filed a challenge against Aaron Persky, a Superior Court Judge in Santa Clara, California, alleging bias.

The case from which he was removed involved a male nurse accused of sexually assaulting a sedated patient.

Mr Persky came under fire last week when he gave the student a sentence that many regarded as too lenient.

In the latest case, Santa Clara County District Attorney Jeff Rosen filed the challenge arguing that the judge was biased.

I think this removal proper. Judge Persky has shown that he does not take sexual assault seriously.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:05:06am

re: #343 Sir John Barron

So there was a primary yesterday, DC? Hillary won it sounds like. It’s apparently so irrelevant I have yet to see a mention of her percentage. But I’m sure the Revolution will go on.

Nearly 80/20 Clinton.

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:08:15am

re: #341 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Rep. Steve King backs full gun rights for terror suspects: It’s ‘their right to defend themselves’

Gotta love the double-think in King’s argument: Terror suspects should be allowed to purchase firearms without issue, BUT should be negatively profiled at their jobs, in their marriage, and in their daily lives for the high crime of being Muslim.

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:08:16am

re: #344 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

OTOH, when you’ve lost O’Reilly:

What’s going on? Another Fox News host calls for assault weapon ban after Orlando massacre

Of course, he’s got to blame Obama in the same breath, but still….

I’m pretty sure Obama would take the blame if we would enact sensible gun control.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:10:27am

re: #343 Sir John Barron

So there was a primary yesterday, DC? Hillary won it sounds like. It’s apparently so irrelevant I have yet to see a mention of her percentage. But I’m sure the Revolution will go on.

She and Bernie had a pow-wow following the primary’s results. No word yet from Bernie about conceding the race.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:10:28am

re: #347 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Nearly 80/20 Clinton.

Next Bernie demand is for no DC primary.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:10:37am

re: #341 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Rep. Steve King backs full gun rights for terror suspects: It’s ‘their right to defend themselves’

Because they are worried that the government might (gasp!) ban violent militia members as “domestic terrorists” and confiscate their weapons…

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Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:11:05am

re: #348 Targetpractice

Gotta love the double-think in King’s argument: Terror suspects should be allowed to purchase firearms without issue, BUT should be negatively profiled at their jobs, in their marriage, and in their daily lives for the high crime of being Muslim.

Yup, makes perfect sense. Can’t fail.

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:11:19am

re: #352 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because they are worried that the government might (gasp!) ban violent militia members as “domestic terrorists” and confiscate their weapons…

Yep, that’s the entirety of King’s logic there: Don’t ban based upon terrorism because white guys might get caught, ban based upon being Muslim because then few if any white guys will be caught.

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:12:10am

re: #343 Sir John Barron

74/19 - Hillary.

I’d say that’s pretty close to a Flawless Victory.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:12:50am

re: #350 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

She and Bernie had a pow-wow following the primary’s results. No word yet from Bernie about conceding the race.

Clinton and Sanders were joined by her campaign manager Robby Mook and campaign chairman John Podesta, along with Sanders’ campaign manager Jeff Weaver and his wife, Jane. It lasted about 90 minutes.

This must have been a fun meeting.

/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:17:04am

He’s still butthurt and stupid:

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:18:49am

re: #356 Sir John Barron

This must have been a fun meeting.

/

The first image that comes to mind is the opening meeting in Don Corleone’s office in The Godfather.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:20:05am
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Belafon  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:20:08am

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s still butthurt and stupid:

I can’t wait to hear the results of that. I’m not sure there’s enough awesome in the universe to cover what would happen if Trump pissed off gun nuts.

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:20:09am
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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:22:46am

re: #361 lawhawk

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That doesn’t count because we all know that “the establishment” really rigged the election for her.

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:24:02am

re: #362 Targetpractice

That doesn’t count because we all know that “the establishment” really rigged the election for her.

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Everyone in the city is part of the establishment.

//

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makeitstop  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:24:23am

re: #344 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

OTOH, when you’ve lost O’Reilly:

What’s going on? Another Fox News host calls for assault weapon ban after Orlando massacre

Of course, he’s got to blame Obama in the same breath, but still….

It’s a no-lose proposition for the shrieking heads - they can ‘call for’ a ban every day between now and doomsday, but they know in their guts that no one will ever go for it on their side.

They get to sound reasonable, armed with the knowledge that they won’t change a thing while being on the record as being on the sane side of the issue.

Call me cynical.

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KGxvi  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:24:51am

re: #360 Belafon

I can’t wait to hear the results of that. I’m not sure there’s enough awesome in the universe to cover what would happen if Trump pissed off gun nuts.

If earlier reports are to be believed, Trump’s campaign is pretty much out of money (shocking, really, when you consider this guy is such a great businessman he managed in run casinos into bankruptcy). The NRA is going to bring him to heel if he wants money, if he doesn’t want money, they may well cut him loose because there’s no way he could win come November and they’d be better off spending money on congressional races that Trump is putting in play.

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:25:30am

re: #364 makeitstop

It’s a no-lose proposition for the shrieking heads - they can ‘call for’ a ban every day between now and doomsday, but they know in their guts that no one will ever go for it on their side.

They get to sound reasonable, armed with the knowledge that they won’t change a thing while being on the record as being on the sane side of the issue.

Call me cynical.

That only works, though, if your audience is reasonable.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:26:34am

re: #355 lawhawk

74/19 - Hillary.

I’d say that’s pretty close to a Flawless Victory.

78-21 Hillary
You want the second table down

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:26:40am
369
Bubblehead II  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:27:49am

T- 2 min

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:28:35am

re: #367 FormerDirtDart

Yup. You’re right. Even more of a flawless victory.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:29:51am

re: #367 FormerDirtDart

78-21 Hillary
You want the second table down

“Rocky” Roque De La Fuente with a pretty impressive 205 votes.

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:32:14am

re: #367 FormerDirtDart

78-21 Hillary
You want the second table down

78% Nitrogen
21% Oxygen
1% Other

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Bubblehead II  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:33:18am

Now lets see if they can land the 1st stage.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:35:32am

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Walmart slapped him down hard:

“We don’t tolerate this kind of behavior,” Walmart posted. “He no longer works for Walmart. Our hearts go out to all affected by the Orlando tragedy.”

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makeitstop  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:35:35am

re: #366 Belafon

That only works, though, if your audience is reasonable.

They’re not playing to their audience with these calls - they’re playing to us.

Their audience might be miffed over it, but they’ll forget it in a minute, after a few segments of the usual derp. Like I said, it’s no-lose for them because their sane moments are far outweighed by hours of their standard agit-prop.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:37:03am

re: #374 Shiplord Kirel

Walmart slapped him down hard:

And they should. If you want to spew bigotry, expect your employer to not want to be associated with you.

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Franklin  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:37:18am

re: #373 Bubblehead II

Now lets see if they can land the 1st stage.

I just heard the guy call the design in the grid fin “conjoined triangles of success”.

Must be a Silicon Valley (HBO) fan…

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dangerman  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:38:56am

re: #372 Belafon

78% Nitrogen
21% Oxygen
1% Other

does that make NJ a nitrox blend?
(ETA: appx 64 / 36)

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:39:22am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:41:01am

Trump’s SEEKRIT MEMO is a link to batshit-insane birther site Judicial Watch.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:41:11am

re: #379 The Vicious Babushka

THE HILL PUBLICATION IS OFFICIALLY AND FOREVER BANNED!!!!1 LIARRS!!!!11

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ObserverArt  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:41:20am

re: #325 FormerDirtDart

SpaceX ✔ @SpaceX
Launch in about one hour.
Webcast and more info ⟶ spacex.com
9:29 AM - 15 Jun 2016
694 694 Retweets 833 833 likes

Dang! They really stay busy don’t they?

Again, thanks for the LGF folks that keep us all informed about SpaceX launches, etc.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:42:38am
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withak  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:43:11am

re: #379 The Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

Did he just go full conspiritard?

You never go full conspiritard.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:43:45am

re: #237 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Darrell Issa continuing to be a fool.

[Embedded content]

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Franklin  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:44:42am

re: #379 The Vicious Babushka

JUNE SUPRISE!!!!!!!!!!1111

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:46:07am

re: #373 Bubblehead II

Now lets see if they can land the 1st stage.

Video cut out—we still don’t know.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:46:20am

re: #251 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Even more puzzling: why did he bring it up at all?

Because Trump has no filters. Whatever stupid stuff pops into his tiny mind has to be regurgitated out of his maw, immediately and without thought.

“Oh, this sounds good!” PUKE “Yeah, that was really good!”

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Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:47:20am

re: #379 The Vicious Babushka

Confirmed. FACT.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:47:38am

re: #325 FormerDirtDart

Thanks for the tip! This was the first SpaceX launch I’ve watched live. Everything looks A-OK, just waiting for confirmation the first stage stuck its landing.

These webcasts are a big contrast from the rather somber, by-the-book NASA launch casts. The hosts are high energy, mostly young, and they know their stuff.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:49:00am

re: #264 Nyet

That was the story of me watching Agent Carter.

I totally loved that show. Maybe it was a chick show because I loved how strong and progressive she was for a woman of her time. Watching the rampant sexism of the era was fascinating to me.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:51:35am

re: #391 MsJ

I totally loved that show. Maybe it was a chick show because I loved how strong and progressive she was for a woman of her time. Watching the rampant sexism of the era was fascinating to me.

I liked the first season (only 6 eps). The second run started off OK, but the writing was weaker. Sadly, I think that’s what killed it off.

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:56:37am

When even Luntz has to admit the obvious, you know the GOP is in real trouble with Trump.

Hillary’s +2 on approval/disapprove.
Obama is +10.

Trump is -25. People hate him. They really really hate him.

Thanks GOP. You own that!

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ObserverArt  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:57:14am

Guns!

There will never be any change in our thinking will there?

I still have not heard any real good reason why anyone needs an assault rifle. And yes, that is my opinion. What reason outweighs the safety of others?

Sigh.

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Bubblehead II  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:57:32am

1st stage apparently went splat. No video yet.

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:58:25am
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Dark_Falcon  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:58:26am

re: #393 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

When even Luntz has to admit the obvious, you know the GOP is in real trouble with Trump.

Hillary’s +2 on approval/disapprove.
Obama is +10.

Trump is -25. People hate him. They really really hate him.

Thanks GOP. You own that!

Luntz has never been a Trump fan.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:58:52am

KITTEH!!!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 15, 2016 • 7:59:17am

re: #395 Bubblehead II

Yeah. It was the *splat* that killed the feed. Bummer.

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Great White Snark  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:00:07am

140 characters and gun policy? Need less guns, more characters! LOL

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:00:37am

re: #399 GlutenFreeJesus

Yeah. It was the *splat* that killed the feed. Bummer.

Judges hold up cards: 3 4 6 2 4

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:01:22am

re: #387 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Video cut out—we still don’t know.

Just got report that the first stage landing was unsuccessful and was lost. Not really surprised at that because the barge was heaving (up-down motion) pretty seriously just before the landing.

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ObserverArt  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:02:10am

re: #343 Sir John Barron

So there was a primary yesterday, DC? Hillary won it sounds like. It’s apparently so irrelevant I have yet to see a mention of her percentage. But I’m sure the Revolution will go on.

Revoltingly, yes, it rolls on and on. And on.

With what most knew about Sanders prior to this run, who would have known he would turn out to be this large a pain in the ass?

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:02:45am

re: #341 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Rep. Steve King backs full gun rights for terror suspects: It’s ‘their right to defend themselves’

Natch.

…in recent years, schools in different parts of the country have thrown out meals after they’ve already been served because students’ accounts were short. Districts in a handful of major cities have taken the opposite approach and utilize a federal program that provides a free breakfast, lunch, and snack every school day. But House Republicans have recently been pushing for cuts to funding for subsidized school meals.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:03:11am

re: #400 Great White Snark

[Embedded content]

140 characters and gun policy? Need less guns, more characters! LOL

Twitter isn’t designed for intelligent conversation.

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Bubblehead II  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:03:45am

re: #387 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Video cut out—we still don’t know.

Webcast reporting they lost it.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:05:30am

re: #404 MsJ

Natch.

That quote isn’t part of the article Battleaxe linked to. Where did you find it?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:05:32am

re: #402 Bill and Opus for 2016!

Just got report that the first stage landing was unsuccessful and was lost. Not really surprised at that because the barge was heaving (up-down motion) pretty seriously just before the landing.

Yeah it’s too bad. But this is the hardest type of landing, going for geostationary orbit.

Still, if you can only recover half the first stages and use each one only twice, you can save $10,000,000 a flight. Definitely worth trying.

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Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:07:42am

re: #7 HappyWarrior

Angry White Bigots aka his base. (in response to the question Who hasn’t Trump insulted yet)

“I like the uneducated.” (Except they didn’t see it as an insult. They saw it as a compliment.)

410
Bubblehead II  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:08:16am

One of the landing engines had low thrust. Came in too hot.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:09:21am

What in the utter fuck

Who would want to eat or even sit their sweaty nekkid bits at a place where someone else’s sweaty nekkid parts was just sat in?

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:09:41am

re: #392 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I liked the first season (only 6 eps). The second run started off OK, but the writing was weaker. Sadly, I think that’s what killed it off.

It had low ratings in season 1. They tried to keep it to make the connection to SHIELD but the ratings continued to decline.

There was a lot of talk about it being too cerebral and not enough action. I used to follow the ratings and read comments. Guys didn’t like it, even though it was in the Marvel Uni.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:09:52am

Shitty week for Orlando: Pop singer murdered, terrorist attack, gator attack on a 2 year old, and George Zimmerman still lives in the area.

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ObserverArt  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:10:36am

re: #364 makeitstop

It’s a no-lose proposition for the shrieking heads - they can ‘call for’ a ban every day between now and doomsday, but they know in their guts that no one will ever go for it on their side.

They get to sound reasonable, armed with the knowledge that they won’t change a thing while being on the record as being on the sane side of the issue.

Call me cynical.

I’m there with you.

I’d like to see people exchange their guns for guitars. Kill ‘em with tuneage.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:10:58am

re: #394 ObserverArt

Guns!

There will never be any change in our thinking will there?

I still have not heard any real good reason why anyone needs an assault rifle. And yes, that is my opinion. What reason outweighs the safety of others?

Sigh.

The only way there will ever be a change is if what happened in Orlando happens in the capital. If a few congresscritters were endangered, you’d see legislation whipped out in a matter of hours.

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iossarian  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:11:07am

re: #383 Backwoods_Sleuth

Also important to normalize the figures by percentage of the general population in each group.

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iossarian  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:12:03am

re: #411 The Vicious Babushka

What in the utter fuck

[Embedded content]

Who would want to eat or even sit their sweaty nekkid bits at a place where someone else’s sweaty nekkid parts was just sat in?

Disposable paper seat covers!

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:12:10am

re: #396 lawhawk

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:15:00am

re: #411 The Vicious Babushka

What in the utter fuck

[Embedded content]

Who would want to eat or even sit their sweaty nekkid bits at a place where someone else’s sweaty nekkid parts was just sat in?

Maybe they give you TWO napkins - one for under, one for over.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:15:09am

re: #407 Dark_Falcon

That quote isn’t part of the article Battleaxe linked to. Where did you find it?

…I replied to the wrong comment.

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Franklin  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:15:10am
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MsJ  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:15:30am

re: #411 The Vicious Babushka

What in the utter fuck

[Embedded content]

Who would want to eat or even sit their sweaty nekkid bits at a place where someone else’s sweaty nekkid parts was just sat in?

NOPE!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:17:10am

wow…

There’s lots more in his TL

424
Franklin  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:17:26am

This thread is great:

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makeitstop  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:17:43am
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MsJ  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:18:03am

re: #407 Dark_Falcon

That quote isn’t part of the article Battleaxe linked to. Where did you find it?

Sorry, you’re right. I replied to the wrong comment. My bad.

That quote was relating to the Alabama school lunch comment.

Sorry!

427
Franklin  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:18:03am

re: #423 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dagnabbit…missed it by that much!

428
Dr. Matt  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:18:26am

Trump Ally Roger Stone: Clinton Aide Huma Abedin Is “A Saudi Spy”

Yes, Huma Abedin is “a Saudi Spy” who is paid by George Soros, is having an affair with Rev Wright, is a warden at a FEMA camp, armed the Benghazi terrorists, killed Vince Foster, and is responsible for buying Hillary’s racist hot sauce.

That about covers everything.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:18:33am

re: #427 Franklin

Dagnabbit…missed it by that much!

teehee!

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calochortus  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:18:36am

re: #419 Blind Frog Belly White

Maybe they give you TWO napkins - one for under, one for over.

I believe proper etiquette is to bring a small towel to sit on, but I can’t imagine actually dining anywhere that I would need to know that…

431
Dr. Matt  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:19:50am
432
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:21:08am
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makeitstop  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:21:36am

re: #423 Backwoods_Sleuth

wow…

[Embedded content]

There’s lots more in his TL

All vets should be good and pissed about this. The backlash, hopefully, will be considerable and Trump will pay the price for it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:22:02am

re: #433 makeitstop

All vets should be good and pissed about this. The backlash, hopefully, will be considerable and Trump will pay the price for it.

It is a righteous rant, indeed.

435
The Vicious Babushka  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:27:54am

BREAKING:
@nero has been suspended from Twitter

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:28:52am

re: #435 The Vicious Babushka

BREAKING:
@nero has been suspended from Twitter

CENSORSHIP!!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:29:05am

re: #431 Dr. Matt

[Embedded content]

We keep hearing about how Hillary’s “unfavorable” rating is about the same as tRumps—but “unfavorable” is a pretty vague term, and I don’t know if you can draw any electoral conclusions from that. I despised Fritz Mondale, but I still voted for him. A lot of GOPers may have an unfavorable view of tRump, but they’re still going to vote for him.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:29:54am

re: #435 The Vicious Babushka

BREAKING:
@nero has been suspended from Twitter

I noticed that the other day. Is it a suspension or did he delete his account?

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:30:00am

re: #435 The Vicious Babushka

BREAKING:
@nero has been suspended from Twitter

Aw. Too bad, so sad.

440
A Mom Anon  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:30:29am

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

Right down the road from me a few miles. He’s not alone in his feelings, I can assure you.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:31:01am

re: #432 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Who knew it would be the Utah GOP that would be leading the break from the GOP’s national insanity.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:31:16am

re: #438 Dr. Matt

I noticed that the other day. Is it a suspension or did he delete his account?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:31:34am

re: #431 Dr. Matt

[Embedded content]

Hahahhaa 70% unapprovsl. Wow.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:32:23am

re: #442 The Vicious Babushka

Another RWNJ now can claim to be a victim.

445
HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:33:13am

re: #444 Dr. Matt

Another RWNJ now can claim to be a victim.

He already did because of the stupid check.

446
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:33:30am

re: #444 Dr. Matt

Another RWNJ now can claim to be a victim.

Well, they can yell it out the window. like in The Network. Freeze Peach!

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makeitstop  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:34:02am

re: #443 HappyWarrior

Hahahhaa 70% unapprovsl. Wow.

Like I said on Facebook, most candidates have to actually take office and fuck up a few things to get to that number.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:34:14am

re: #438 Dr. Matt

I noticed that the other day. Is it a suspension or did he delete his account?

I think an account delete would not give the same result as account suspended.

Looks like he’s had a history of getting suspended from Twitter. Maybe this time will be permanent?

449
Franklin  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:34:39am

I made a Storify of that twitter convo:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:34:59am

re: #447 makeitstop

Like I said on Facebook, most candidates have to actually take office and fuck up a few things to get to that number.

And some never get that low. I don’t think Obama has gotten close to that.

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:37:17am

The same fishing expedition that came up with bupkus before rolls on. Wasting everyone’s time, but the GOP electeds needs something to keep the GOP minions occupied while the Trump train derails in spectacular fashion taking the party with it.

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ObserverArt  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:37:57am

re: #428 Dr. Matt

Trump Ally Roger Stone: Clinton Aide Huma Abedin Is “A Saudi Spy”

Yes, Huma Abedin is “a Saudi Spy” who is paid by George Soros, is having an affair with Rev Wright, is a warden at a FEMA camp, armed the Benghazi terrorists, killed Vince Foster, and is responsible for buying Hillary’s racist hot sauce.

That about covers everything.

I knew it!!!

(Roger Stone is a crackpot loony)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:40:42am

re: #453 ObserverArt

I knew it!!!

(Roger Stone is a crackpot loony)

Roger Stone, ratfucker that he is, publicly broke with Trump months ago to supply plausible deniability for saying even crazier shit than his boss. Obviously, it’s hard to say anything much crazier and not just be babbling incoherently in the street…

455
iossarian  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:41:01am

re: #451 Dr. Matt

I swear with the right wing it’s becoming so fragmented now that you have to think each time: “wait, is Zombie Breitbart allied with Alt-Right Whackjob Guy, or are they sworn enemies?”

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makeitstop  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:41:11am

Just a thought here…

Given how utterly gullible Trump is, a few creative Democratic ratfuckers should go to his rallies disguised as supporters, get to the front of the crowd and bait him into saying some really fucked up stuff. I’ll bet a buck it would work - the carny barker in him would not be able to resist.

(Not that he needs any help in saying fucked up shit - but he could be easily goaded into being even worse than he already is.)

457
Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:44:31am

re: #208 Eric The Fruit Bat

The Onion, with its snark, continues to be more prescient than the Fourth Estate.

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ObserverArt  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:45:04am

re: #433 makeitstop

All vets should be good and pissed about this. The backlash, hopefully, will be considerable and Trump will pay the price for it.

Is there such a thing as a preventative coup d’état???

Kidding of course, but wouldn’t surprise me if the military would do just about anything to keep this fool away from any claim to be Commander in Chief.

Maybe we start to see a military PAC running commercials with military leaders stating why Trump would be the worse thing America could do militarily.

459
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:47:54am

Gawker slapped with lawsuit threat over claim Trump’s ‘cotton candy hairspray labyrinth’ is a weave

A Gawker piece calling Donald Trump’s infamous coiffure a weave could land the publication in yet another lawsuit.

Last month, Gawker writer Ashley Feinberg launched an investigation into Trump’s famous glimmering nest-atop-head, based on information gleaned from an unnamed tipster, positing that it was a weave — the work of Ivari International.

But the company’s owner, Edward Ivari, was apparently not flattered by the idea that Trump’s much-talked about hair may not be hair, but a $60,000 “microcylinder intervention,” performed by the company in the Trump Tower building in New York — located on a private floor reserved for Trump’s office.

The story calls Trump’s hair a “cotton candy hairspray labyrinth.”

It seems to be more than a simple lawsuit, but instead another part of the Gawker legal saga.

The letter sent to Gawker by attorney Charles J. Harder claims Ivari suffered emotional distress and privacy invasion as a result of the story. Gawker reports that Harder is an attorney hired by Peter Thiel, a tech CEO who has a longstanding beef with Gawker.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:47:58am

re: #451 Dr. Matt

Zombie Breitbart: Twitter suspends Milo Yiannopoulos hours before his speech at “Ground Zero” in Orlando

Milo finally got bonked off of Twitter? Hallelujah.

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Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:48:09am

re: #218 William Lewis

If this is true, then both the buyer and seller committed a federal felony offense good for a 10 year vacation at Club Fed. The only way a sale of a long arm to an out of state person is legal is if the firearm is shipped to a FFL in the buyers home state and the background check is completed there. If the buyer left that store with rifle in hand, a straw purchase was committed. The reporter, BTW, has no immunity to prosecution for this felony either.

That neither buyer or seller appears to have noticed this small issue points out the real problem - that BATFE is chronically underfunded and can not enforce the laws already on the books.

That would depend on if the Huff Po reporter actually took the rifle out of Florida. (Florida law seems to allow using an out-of-state DL. They also say they are going to return it, which seems to indicate the reporter is still in Orlando.)

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gwangung  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:49:00am

re: #458 ObserverArt

Is there such a thing as a preventative coup d’état???

Kidding of course, but wouldn’t surprise me if the military would do just about anything to keep this fool away from any claim to be Commander in Chief.

Maybe we start to see a military PAC running commercials with military leaders stating why Trump would be the worse thing America could do militarily.

Military folks actively serving are barred from doing this.

And retired military shy away from doing this, so they can serve as advisors, without awkwardness, to any administration.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:49:22am

re: #435 The Vicious Babushka

BREAKING:
@nero has been suspended from Twitter

Hopefully it will be for more than 5 minutes.

464
Teukka  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:49:29am

re: #421 Franklin

[Embedded content]

*cue “Twilight Zone” theme*

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Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:50:14am

re: #435 The Vicious Babushka

BREAKING:
@nero has been suspended from Twitter

Does this mean Milo won’t be getting his blue checkmark?

/

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Dr. Matt  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:51:28am

re: #465 Sir John Barron

Does this mean Milo won’t be getting his blue checkmark?

/

He’s going to start a Rage Furby sister site: Really.Got.News

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ObserverArt  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:52:02am

re: #462 gwangung

Military folks actively serving are barred from doing this.

And retired military shy away from doing this, so they can serve as advisors, without awkwardness, to any administration.

Yeah. Not being military minded I forget about such rulings.

There has got to be a way for the military to let it be known they fear working under The Trump™.

468
Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:52:28am

re: #413 Dr. Matt

Shitty week for Orlando: Pop singer murdered, terrorist attack, gator attack on a 2 year old, and George Zimmerman still lives in the area.

Do we know for sure that Zimmerman isn’t responsible for all these crimes? Hey, I’m just asking questions…..

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Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:52:52am

re: #458 ObserverArt

Is there such a thing as a preventative coup d’état???

Kidding of course, but wouldn’t surprise me if the military would do just about anything to keep this fool away from any claim to be Commander in Chief.

Maybe we start to see a military PAC running commercials with military leaders stating why Trump would be the worse thing America could do militarily.

They would have to be retired military leaders. Active duty are prohibited from weighing in on politics (the real reason Gordon Klingenschmidtt got fired from the Navy, disobedience of a lawful order, not his claim that he can’t worship Jesus).

Over at the military forum where I occasionally comment (closed to military, veterans, or family members), there is a huge running Trump/Clinton debate. I’m staying out of that (though my profile there says I am an elected democratic socialist).

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:54:34am

re: #460 Sir John Barron

Milo finally got bonked off of Twitter? Hallelujah.

I am sure humanity only has a temporary reprieve.

471
Lidane  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:54:37am

The RWNJ God is an asshole, part eleventy bazillion:

472
Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:56:21am

re: #471 Lidane

Every time another RWNJ evangelical weighs in with such hateful speech, an atheist or agnostic gets his or her angel wings.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:57:10am
474
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:58:00am

good grief

475
Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:58:06am

The Orlando murders are such a pretzel for the RWNJs

Terror
Gay
Guns
Add in Latino victims.

They just cant figure out where they stand.

476
Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:58:20am

re: #474 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

That an actual quote?

477
blueraven  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:58:49am

re: #435 The Vicious Babushka

BREAKING:
@nero has been suspended from Twitter

He is back. sigh.

478
Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:59:25am

re: #474 Backwoods_Sleuth

Cain: “this sounds like a shucky-ducky kind of crowd on a shucky-ducky kind of day, here to support an awww-shucky ducky kind of candidate”
— Rosie Gray

LOLwhut?

I guess we’re nearing the baby-talk stage of the campaign.

479
iossarian  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:59:30am

re: #466 Dr. Matt

He’s going to start a Rage Furby sister site: Really.Got.News

I’m going to start Got.Opinionz

Oh wait, that’s the whole fucking internet.

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nines09  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:59:58am

re: #424 Franklin

This thread is great:

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Donald Trump just spits on everyone. And his thugs applaud. Spits on EVERYONE. I don’t think there is one word that can accurately describe his utter vileness. Man. What a piece of shit. Nice job, GOP. Good work. Thanks. Implode and blow away.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:00:25am

re: #466 Dr. Matt

He’s going to start a Rage Furby sister site: Really.Got.News

[Milo]Hi followers, can you send me some stories/tips? And money. [/Milo]

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:00:52am

re: #476 Sir John Barron

That an actual quote?

yes

483
Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:00:57am

Huffington Post with a headline showing Donald Trump continuing to slide in the polls, but all the links are broken (Huff Po has a cute 404 page).

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:01:42am

re: #479 iossarian

I’m going to start Got.Opinionz

Oh wait, that’s the whole fucking internet.

You can start Got.Real.Opinions, and claim to be an authority.

485
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:01:46am
486
lawhawk  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:01:47am
487
iossarian  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:02:21am

re: #475 Stanley Sea

The Orlando murders are such a pretzel for the RWNJs

Terror
Gay
Guns
Add in Latino victims.

They just cant figure out where they stand.

I was so glad to see Anderson Cooper actually go after Pam Bondi for her suddenly-forgotten opposition to gay rights. It’s about time people with brains actually called them out on this shit.

Why no-one of Cooper’s stature is hammering Ted Cruz for his coziness with the death-penalty-for-gays crowd is beyond me.

488
lawhawk  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:03:00am

re: #487 iossarian

In that vein:

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:03:38am

re: #465 Sir John Barron

Does this mean Milo won’t be getting his blue checkmark?

/

It’s in the male.

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Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:03:51am

re: #486 lawhawk

C’mon, Mrs. Clinton: Ad buys in Nebraska. Please. Do it! Cheap market, saturate our radio stations and newspapers (maybe even TV). Make the GOP defend its five electoral votes here.

491
Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:03:57am

re: #485 Backwoods_Sleuth

Crowd at Trump rally in Atlanta boos Mitt Romney - Republican Party’s 2012 nominee - when Herman Cain mentions his name.
— Anthony Zurcher

Hear that Donald? That’s how your name will be greeted when the GOP’s 2020 presumptive nominee mentions you during a rally.

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iossarian  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:04:46am

re: #484 Belafon

You can start Got.Real.Opinions, and claim to be an authority.

Inorite?

Or just post self-serving sarcasm and stream-of-consciousness fart jokes.

493
lawhawk  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:05:23am
494
iossarian  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:06:31am

12 inch thin crust with pepperoni please, Herman.

495
Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:06:42am

Mrs. Clinton can start with Mr. Trump quotes on POWs, the armed forces, and other veterans. This place is hyper-sensitive to mistreatment of veterans.

496
withak  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:08:14am

re: #495 Anymouse

Mrs. Clinton can start with Mr. Trump quotes on POWs, the armed forces, and other veterans. This place is hyper-sensitive to mistreatment of veterans.

I would love to see HRC compete in KS, NE, and UT.

497
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:08:58am

maybe if they had thought to register as actual, you know, Democrats…

498
Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:09:18am

re: #496 withak

I would love to see HRC compete in KS, NE, and UT.

Does LGF allow official political endorsements from real (though unheard of) politicians? I’ll do one, under my real name and position.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:09:26am

re: #495 Anymouse

500
Belafon  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:09:33am

If she’s run an ad specifically for Texas, I’d stay up until 2am to see it if necessary.

501
Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:10:13am

re: #499 MsJ

Kewl! Thanks, since I am not on Twitter.

502
MsJ  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:10:51am

re: #498 Anymouse

Did you volunteer for Clinton to do GOTV in NE? You could speak with local party officials that way.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:11:18am

re: #501 Anymouse

Kewl! Thanks, since I am not on Twitter.

I know. You’re welcome. :-)

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Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:12:49am

re: #502 MsJ

Did you volunteer for Clinton to do GOTV in NE? You could speak with local party officials that way.

I did GOTV for Senator Sanders. I am now all in for Mrs. Clinton. That said, our county Democratic Party is moribund (I am the only elected Democrat in the county and the Website was last updated in 2011), and I can never get a response from the state party whether I E-mail, write letters, or telephone.

We need better organisation here, though I am unsure how to do it.

505
iossarian  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:12:50am

This whole aversion to political parties that do political party things is just another aspect of the corrosive individualism-at-all-costs that pervades American public life.

Join a party. Join an association. Join a club. YOU MAY HAVE TO GIVE UP SOME OF YOUR INDIVIDUALISM. But you’ll get a lot more done than if you sit at home on your backside complaining that other people don’t act the way you want them too (take a look in the mirror, buddy).

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:13:31am

re: #497 Backwoods_Sleuth

maybe if they had thought to register as actual, you know, Democrats…

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Bernie reminds me of the lost Japanese soldier who keeps fighting years after the atomic bombs were dropped and peace treaty signed. You lost. Get on WITH YOUR LIFE!

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:14:09am

re: #504 Anymouse

I did GOTV for Senator Sanders. I am now all in for Mrs. Clinton. That said, our county Democratic Party is moribund (I am the only elected Democrat in the county and the Website was last updated in 2011), and I can never get a response from the state party whether I E-mail, write letters, or telephone.

We need better organisation here, though I am unsure how to do it.

Get a hold of someone in a Clinton office in a neighboring state that is more dem friendly. Get the message to them. Talk with goddamnedfrank here. He is doing stuff for Clinton in CA.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:15:35am

re: #497 Backwoods_Sleuth

maybe if they had thought to register as actual, you know, Democrats…

Wait, are you kidding me? He’s still on with this?

509
Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:15:50am

re: #507 MsJ

Get a hold of someone in a Clinton office in a neighboring state that is more dem friendly. Get the message to them. Talk with goddamnedfrank here. He is doing stuff for Clinton in CA.

I’ll see about talking with the Colorado Dems then. My wife’s ex-boyfriend is the son of the last Democratic mayor of Colorado Springs. Colorado is about the same distance as Wyoming from my house (and the Wyoming Dems are in worse shape than ours).

510
lawhawk  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:17:42am

No, why would they apologize?

And again, their position isn’t any different than the kind they ascribe to the Islamic terrorists (radical Islamists) they claim to hate.

The beliefs are indistinguishable on this point.

511
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:18:34am
512
The Vicious Babushka  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:19:30am
513
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:20:05am

I don’t know what this is about:

Big news coming up?

514
Ace-o-aces  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:20:20am

#freemilo is trending. Looks like Milo is trying to use the death of 49 people to get his precious checkmark back.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:21:25am

re: #513 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

What is an APOD? Or a LIGO for that matter.

516
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:24:05am

Murphy is filibustering right now.

517
ObserverArt  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:24:46am

re: #485 Backwoods_Sleuth

Tessa Berenson ✔ @tcberenson
“I grew up in Atlanta, GA. I know what a racist looks like when I see one. And Donald Trump is not a racist.” - Herman Cain
11:58 AM - 15 Jun 2016
Retweets 2 2 likes

Then Herman is a racist denier.

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blueraven  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:25:08am

re: #516 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Murphy is filibustering right now.

Cory Booker is speaking now. Dem Filibuster!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:25:35am

re: #518 blueraven

Cory Booker is speaking now. Dem Filibuster!

tag teaming!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:26:04am

re: #515 MsJ

What is an APOD? Or a LIGO for that matter.

Astronomical Picture of the Day. the Laser Interferometer Gravitational Observatory announced the first detection of gravitational waves last September, and they’re holding a press conference today.

521
nines09  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:26:08am

re: #473 Backwoods_Sleuth
Herman Cain? Herman Fucking Cain? roflmao “Two. I said TWO slices. WITH pepperoni. WITH. TO GO. ……….”

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Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:26:58am

re: #519 Backwoods_Sleuth

tag teaming!

“Why are Dems politicizing Orlando killings when we offered prayers and thoughts and WHEN IS HILLARY PRISON FOR BENGHAZI?????”

523
Belafon  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:27:01am

re: #518 blueraven

Cory Booker is speaking now. Dem Filibuster!

I think no-fucks Obama and no-prisoners Hillary have caused Democrats to suddenly develop a spine.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:27:36am

re: #523 Belafon

I think no-fucks Obama and no-prisoners Hillary have caused Democrats to suddenly develop a spine.

Chaos. Dogs and cats living together.

525
Teukka  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:28:36am

re: #524 Sir John Barron

Chaos. Dogs and cats living together.

You forgot mass hysteria.

526
Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:28:50am

re: #518 blueraven

Cory Booker is speaking now. Dem Filibuster!

“Filibuster? In an election year?!?!?!??!?!?!?1”

527
nines09  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:31:32am

re: #485 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I grew up in Atlanta, GA. I know what a racist looks like when I see one. And Donald Trump is not a racist.” - Herman Cain

I wish I had that magical power. Apparently actual spoken words mean nothing. Wow.

528
ObserverArt  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:31:38am

re: #504 Anymouse

I did GOTV for Senator Sanders. I am now all in for Mrs. Clinton. That said, our county Democratic Party is moribund (I am the only elected Democrat in the county and the Website was last updated in 2011), and I can never get a response from the state party whether I E-mail, write letters, or telephone.

We need better organisation here, though I am unsure how to do it.

Are you familiar with Democratic Gain?

I found out about them from BeachDem here at LGF. You might contact them and see if they can help you set up more organization in your state. They are a nuts’n’bolts group helping people looking to help/advance the party.

Democratic Gain

529
danarchy  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:31:44am

re: #518 blueraven

Cory Booker is speaking now. Dem Filibuster!

What bill are they filibustering?

530
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:32:46am

re: #520 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Astronomical Picture of the Day. the Laser Interferometer Gravitational Observatory announced the first detection of gravitational waves last September, and they’re holding a press conference today.

Here’s a live stream from the AAS meeting. Starts at 10:15 PDT.

531
Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:32:55am
532
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:33:44am

re: #529 danarchy

What bill are they filibustering?

discussing lack of action on gun legislation

533
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:34:15am

Ben Sasse now speaking.

534
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:34:35am

re: #533 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ben Sasse now speaking.

asking about what is meant by “terrorist watch list”.

535
Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:34:36am

Weird. That wasn’t the tweet I copied. Let’s try this again.

536
ObserverArt  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:35:16am

re: #511 Backwoods_Sleuth

David Martosko ✔ @dmartosko
The Trump press corps is saving symbolic seats for the banned @Washingtonpost reporters today in Atlanta
11:16 AM - 15 Jun 2016 * Atlanta, GA, United States
228 228 Retweets 202 202 likes

Well there you are. 7th grade school politics. What a bunch of children.

537
Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:36:20am

re: #528 ObserverArt

Are you familiar with Democratic Gain?

I found out about them from BeachDem here at LGF. You might contact them and see if they can help you set up more organization in your state. They are a nuts’n’bolts group helping people looking to help/advance the party.

Democratic Gain

Thanks I will look into that too.

I just got off the phone with the Smart dealer in Denver to schedule my car for its regular maintenance and an extra-special look see for our trip to Northern Manitoba.

538
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:36:21am
539
Ming5000  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:36:44am

re: #535 Charles Johnson

Both tweets were good

540
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:37:53am

re: #523 Belafon

I think no-fucks Obama and no-prisoners Hillary have caused Democrats to suddenly develop a spine.

I think freezing like a deer in the headlights when facing right-wing criticism is the main reason Dems do worse than they should electorally. Voters don’t like it. LBJ, Bill Clinton, Obama, and now Hillary Clinton, fight back—and it helps them. Hoodathunkit?

541
Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:39:48am

re: #534 Backwoods_Sleuth

asking about what is meant by “terrorist watch list”.

Hey Senator mine, that would be the list used to keep suspected terrorists off planes and such. You know, the list the NRA uses for mailers to prospective members?

542
Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:41:32am

re: #511 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:41:47am

Murphy is doing a great job in answering the various questions.

544
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:47:22am
545
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:52:32am

Still no Trump in Atlanta…he’s almost an hour late.

546
Belafon  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:53:03am

re: #545 Backwoods_Sleuth

Still no Trump in Atlanta…he’s almost an hour late.

Maybe he forgot to tell the police he was coming.

547
blueraven  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:53:23am

Boy, Orlando has had a trifecta of tragedies lately.

The young female singer who was shot and killed.
The attack at the Gay nightclub.
and the horrific killing of a two year old by an alligator.

Unimaginable horror.

548
Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:54:20am

Lt. Governor Cox (R) of Utah gave a moving speech to an assembled crowd on the Orlando shootings, specifically mentioning that it was an attack on LGBT people.

Wonkette has a video of the speech and a text transcript of it.

wonkette.com

They note while they routinely bash Republicans, they also give them credit when they do the right thing, and this was the right thing.

Two paragraphs out of his speech to the assembled LGBT crowd and supporters:

I grew up in a small town and went to a small rural high school. There were some kids in my class that were different. Sometimes I wasn’t kind to them. I didn’t know it at the time, but I know now that they were gay. I will forever regret not treating them with the kindness, dignity and respect — the love — that they deserved. For that, I sincerely and humbly apologize.

Over the intervening years, my heart has changed. It has changed because of you. It has changed because I have gotten to know many of you. You have been patient with me. You helped me learn the right letters of the alphabet in the right order even though you keep adding new ones. You have been kind to me. Jim Dabakis even told me I dressed nice once, even though I know he was lying. You have treated me with the kindness, dignity, and respect — the love — that I very often did NOT deserve. And it has made me love you.

549
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:55:46am

Trump will take credit for this

550
blueraven  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:57:21am

re: #549 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Trump will take credit for this

Since when did NRA make the laws? //
Rhetorical.

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Nyet  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:59:40am

If you don’t know it already, you’ll have a hard time guessing who wrote this:

According to Gallop research in 2014, “A clear majority of Americans, 59%, still view Hillary Clinton favorably a year after she left her post as secretary of state.” During her tenure as secretary of state it remained above 60%, about fifteen points higher than when she was a New York Senator. Polls also show that Clinton’s political career (pertaining to approval ratings) has progressed since 1992, when her favorability rating was only 39%. When Karl Rove made his recent remarks about Clinton’s mental health, he knew very well that lowering these numbers is essential to a Republican having any chance in 2016. From Benghazi to scandals of years past, Republicans for the next two years will work to chip away at Clinton’s favorability ratings. Their goal, of course, is to prevent Hillary Clinton from becoming the first female president in 2016 by using any tactic necessary to undermine the former first lady’s political credibility.

[…]

Finally, Republicans will engage in tactics that hurt female candidates. For example, Hillary Clinton will be labeled as a “mean” person; a label that most other male candidates don’t often hear directed at them. According to a USA today report on sexism in political races, certain words hurt female candidates more than their male counterparts: “Calling a female candidate such sexist names as “ice queen” and “mean girl” significantly undercuts her political standing, a new study of voter attitudes finds, doing more harm than gender-neutral criticism based solely on her policy positions and actions.” While George Bush is someone you want to have a drink with and Romney is a CEO with business experience, Hillary Clinton’s years of political experience might be narrowed down to being a “prima donna,” or a word far more egregious.

From Benghazi to a concussion, Hillary Clinton will be the subject of constant Republican accusation and criticism. How Clinton handles the inevitable swipes at her personality, the character of her husband, and Benghazi will determine whether or not she can win the election in 2016.

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iossarian  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:00:18am

re: #549 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Trump will take credit for this

It’ll only last until the 24-hour news cycle is over anyway.

Fuck the NRA.

553
Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:00:38am

re: #549 Backwoods_Sleuth

We’ve seen how the NRA and supporters work before: Even when someone takes up their own proposals, they oppose them.

The proof the NRA is sincere in this would be if they support workable solutions that stem from their claim here.

I’ll give the NRA a provisional attaboy, subject to withdrawal if they oppose measures that come from their call.

554
blueraven  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:02:14am

re: #551 Nyet

If you don’t know it already, you’ll have a hard time guessing who wrote this:

[…]

Sanders?

555
iossarian  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:02:19am

re: #553 Anymouse

We’ve seen how the NRA and supporters work before: Even when someone takes up their own proposals, they oppose them.

The proof the NRA is sincere in this would be if they support workable solutions that stem from their claim here.

I’ll give the NRA a provisional attaboy, subject to withdrawal if they oppose measures that come from their call.

It’ll be the usual weasel bullshit. They’ll quietly oppose efforts to close the gun show loophole. More of the same “enforce the existing laws” while actually working to prevent even that from happening.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:02:35am

re: #551 Nyet

If you don’t know it already, you’ll have a hard time guessing who wrote this:

[…]

I read it, but I’ve already forgotten who wrote it. Mind like a steel trap, I tellz ya….

557
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:03:11am

re: #550 blueraven

re: #552 iossarian

re: #553 Anymouse

Trump will still take credit for it.
It’s probably the reason he’s late to his Atlanta rally…he was waiting for word from the NRA.

558
iossarian  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:03:47am

Cory Booker making this point right now. Checking against the no-fly list is meaningless if you don’t enforce a background check on all sales.

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Nyet  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:04:01am

re: #554 blueraven

Sanders?

re: #556 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I read it, but I’ve already forgotten who wrote it. Mind like a steel trap, I tellz ya….

Click to Reveal

It was HA HA Goodone

560
Barefoot Grin  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:04:05am

re: #551 Nyet

If you don’t know it already, you’ll have a hard time guessing who wrote this:

[…]

Luntz?

It’s that HA guy!

561
Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:04:13am

re: #555 iossarian

It’ll be the usual weasel bullshit. They’ll quietly oppose efforts to close the gun show loophole. More of the same “enforce the existing laws” while actually working to prevent even that from happening.

Hence my provisional attaboy.

562
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:04:42am

re: #557 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump will still take credit for it.
It’s probably the reason he’s late to his Atlanta rally…he was waiting for word from the NRA.

‘A flip flopping con man’: Conservatives freak after Trump hints he’ll support stronger gun control

563
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:04:58am

At the rally:

564
Ace-o-aces  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:05:00am

re: #549 Backwoods_Sleuth

565
Kragar  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:05:09am
566
blueraven  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:05:22am

re: #559 Nyet

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Haha!

567
Kragar  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:05:54am

re: #564 Ace-o-aces

568
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:05:59am

re: #559 Nyet

Oh, yeah….

569
Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:06:01am

Again, he is fucking mentally ill.

570
Nyet  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:06:32am

re: #563 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sucks, but not everything sucky that happens to someone is the Holocaust.

571
Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:07:17am

re: #547 blueraven

Boy, Orlando has had a trifecta of tragedies lately.

The young female singer who was shot and killed.
The attack at the Gay nightclub.
and the horrific killing of a two year old by an alligator.

Unimaginable horror.

Did they find the child attacked by the alligator?

572
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:07:35am

Trump has finally arrived at his rally and he’s whining about phony poll numbers.

573
Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:07:54am

re: #565 Kragar

Which someone on the watchlist could still do.

574
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:08:24am

re: #572 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump has finally arrived at his rally and he’s whining about phony poll numbers.

UNSKEW TEH POLEZ!!11!!

575
Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:08:26am

re: #572 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump has finally arrived at his rally and he’s whining about phony poll numbers.

He’s like Bernie with the New York primary.

576
jaunte  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:08:49am

Trying to make a benefit out of having weak ground game.

577
Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:08:54am

re: #572 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump has finally arrived at his rally and he’s whining about phony poll numbers.

Very leadership, much presidential. Pivot.

578
blueraven  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:09:14am

re: #571 Sir John Barron

Did they find the child attacked by the alligator?

I dont think they have. Sadly, probably nothing left to find unless they pull every gator and cut them open.

OMG I cant even imagine his parents right now.

579
Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:09:29am

re: #571 Sir John Barron

Did they find the child attacked by the alligator?

Nope. Chances are they wont. Because gator.

580
jaunte  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:09:47am
581
Nyet  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:10:05am

Kos being reasonable again. As usual.

Open primaries? No, no and hell no

582
lawhawk  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:10:29am

re: #571 Sir John Barron

No, but the authorities consider the child to have been killed.

583
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:10:44am
584
Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:10:55am

re: #580 jaunte

BAN THE NEW YORK TIMES, BIASED!!!! SAD!!!1

585
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:11:50am

O_o

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Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:11:54am

re: #581 Nyet

Kos being reasonable again. As usual.

Open primaries? No, no and hell no

This is how Democratic corporate elites and Wall Street keep control!!!!!111

587
jaunte  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:12:08am
588
Dr. Matt  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:12:38am

re: #511 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Trump press corps is saving symbolic seats for the banned @Washingtonpost reporters today in Atlanta pic.twitter.com
— David Martosko (@dmartosko) June 15, 2016

Just a matter a time before Der Fuhrer is angered by such insolence and bans everyone.

589
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:12:46am
590
FormerDirtDart  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:12:57am

re: #563 Backwoods_Sleuth

At the rally:

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Franklin  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:13:04am

re: #581 Nyet

Kos being reasonable again. As usual.

Open primaries? No, no and hell no

Oooof!

There is no point to a political party unless that party can decide for itself who represents it. It costs nothing to register as a Democrat (or Republican). No one even knows which party you register under. The only reason to register as an independent is because you think you are too good or pure or uncorrupted to be a member of a party. And if that’s the case? Good for you! We are all duly impressed. So shiny and perfect!

But fuck you, you don’t get to pick our candidates.

592
Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:13:08am

re: #587 jaunte

cc: Phylis Schlafly, Ralph Reed

593
lawhawk  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:14:00am

WTF is he going on about? Considering immigration? Spending billions and billions?

As opposed to billions and billions on a wall and billions more on enforcing a police state?

The xenophobe/nativist Trump shines through loud and clear.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:14:06am

re: #587 jaunte

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Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:14:15am

re: #589 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Hey look at my LGBT Lesbian over there.”

596
Franklin  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:14:16am

re: #587 jaunte


Looks like Trump is off his meds teleprompter again.

597
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:15:14am
598
Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:15:16am

re: #593 lawhawk

WTF is he going on about? Considering immigration? Spending billions and billions?

As opposed to billions and billions on a wall and billions more on enforcing a police state?

The xenophobe/nativist Trump shines through loud and clear.

ELEVENTY BILLION DOLLARS!!!11

599
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:16:16am
600
The Vicious Babushka  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:16:40am
601
Nyet  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:16:49am

Open primaries is like if we allowed everyone to up/downding us without even having to register.

602
ObserverArt  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:17:29am

Are ‘gators protected in Florida?

I am all for protecting animals, but I can’t believe they are allowed in waters that close to a public place such as the hotel the child and parents were staying. Or, allowing the public to get that close to waters with ‘gators in them.

Not being familiar with Disney World and all the associated entertainment and hotels in the area I am wondering about the protections for the people at these parks and businesses.

Are there signs warning of such dangers as alligators, and do they ever go through the ponds, etc. to move them away from the public.

I can’t believe that occurred unless someone was ignoring the warnings. Or, was it just a fluke the tragedy occurred.

Damn…2 years old. What a nightmare.

603
Ace-o-aces  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:17:38am
604
Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:20:06am

He called Belgium a city again.

605
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:21:05am
606
Kragar  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:21:30am
607
ObserverArt  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:21:31am

re: #597 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Are those police heading to Trump rally in Atlanta?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:22:01am

re: #607 ObserverArt

Are those police heading to Trump rally in Atlanta?

yes

609
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:22:37am

re: #607 ObserverArt

Are those police heading to Trump rally in Atlanta?

610
Dr. Matt  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:23:49am

re: #602 ObserverArt

I am all for protecting animals, but I can’t believe they are allowed in waters that close to a public place such as the hotel the child and parents were staying. Or, allowing the public to get that close to waters with ‘gators in them.

They are nearly impossible to control. Gators come and go as they please. It’s not unusual at all to see a gator walking around a neighbor in the middle of the summer going from one lake to another. Disney would literally have to fence off each lake to prevent gators from entering. With that said, there should have been better enforcement on Disney’s part. I can’t imagine swimming in a fresh water lake in Florida at night.

611
Kragar  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:24:16am
612
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:24:24am

Back to the Senate floor:
Sen Bill Nelson now asking question about the differences between weapons. Says it doesn’t matter because these are not weapons for hunting, they are weapons for killing.

613
Nyet  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:24:59am

Does Stein’s party hold open primaries? Somehow I doubt it.

614
Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:25:38am

Is it just that I’ve seen enough?

This speech seems so much more hateful & crazy.

615
ObserverArt  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:26:00am

re: #608 Backwoods_Sleuth

yes

Figures.

I guess the cities pay for all that too? Trump is expensive and if he gets elected will cost a lot.

616
sagehen  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:26:15am

re: #515 MsJ

What is an APOD? Or a LIGO for that matter.

apod.nasa.gov

Astronomy Picture of the Day. It’s a NASA site, excellent place to find for Desktop images.

This is one of my favorites:
apod.nasa.gov

617
Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:26:46am

Now we go to Hillary the Sane

618
Ace-o-aces  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:27:02am

re: #602 ObserverArt

Are ‘gators protected in Florida?

I am all for protecting animals, but I can’t believe they are allowed in waters that close to a public place such as the hotel the child and parents were staying. Or, allowing the public to get that close to waters with ‘gators in them.

They try to remove them, but Disney is built in the middle of a swamp in Florida. Hard to keep all the Gators out.

Not being familiar with Disney World and all the associated entertainment and hotels in the area I am wondering about the protections for the people at these parks and businesses.

Are there signs warning of such dangers as alligators, and do they ever go through the ponds, etc. to move them away from the public.

There are warnings to stay out of the water, not specifically about alligators. Much like shark attacks, they are very rare occurrences.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:27:06am
620
Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:27:08am

re: #602 ObserverArt

Are ‘gators protected in Florida?

I am all for protecting animals, but I can’t believe they are allowed in waters that close to a public place such as the hotel the child and parents were staying. Or, allowing the public to get that close to waters with ‘gators in them.

Not being familiar with Disney World and all the associated entertainment and hotels in the area I am wondering about the protections for the people at these parks and businesses.

Are there signs warning of such dangers as alligators, and do they ever go through the ponds, etc. to move them away from the public.

I can’t believe that occurred unless someone was ignoring the warnings. Or, was it just a fluke the tragedy occured.

Damn…2 years old. What a nightmare.

If there is a body of water, a gator will find it.

There was a case when I lived in Dade City where a small pool about a quarter acre in size behind Winn-Dixie had a gator appear in it.

Gatos do what they gotta do.

A lagoon the size of the one at Disney World is a gator magnet. Florida and Texas rules are pretty much don’t get near the water without assuring there are no gators in it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:27:28am

re: #586 Sir John Barron

This is how Democratic corporate elites and Wall Street keep control!!!!!111

If only there were some way we could vote in a closed primary system!

622
lawhawk  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:28:07am

Media mendacity:

Where they put Trump front and center and sideline Clinton.

623
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:28:10am

re: #602 ObserverArt

Are ‘gators protected in Florida?

I am all for protecting animals, but I can’t believe they are allowed in waters that close to a public place such as the hotel the child and parents were staying. Or, allowing the public to get that close to waters with ‘gators in them.

Not being familiar with Disney World and all the associated entertainment and hotels in the area I am wondering about the protections for the people at these parks and businesses.

Are there signs warning of such dangers as alligators, and do they ever go through the ponds, etc. to move them away from the public.

I can’t believe that occurred unless someone was ignoring the warnings. Or, was it just a fluke the tragedy occurred.

Damn…2 years old. What a nightmare.

Per one article I read this morning, they do. But the lake is connected to others via numerous canals, and alligators don’t give a shit about human boundaries of where they are and are not supposed to be. Apparently some of the guests liked to feed the alligators as well.

Most FL residents probably know to treat any body of water as if it has alligators in it, unless it’s a pool that you can clearly see the bottom of. The challenge is when you’re dealing with tourists.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:29:09am

re: #610 Dr. Matt

They are nearly impossible to control. Gators come and go as they please. It’s not unusual at all to see a gator walking around a neighbor in the middle of the summer going from one lake to another. Disney would literally have to fence off each lake to prevent gators from entering. With that said, there should have been better enforcement on Disney’s part. I can’t imagine swimming in a fresh water lake in Florida at night.

They weren’t swimming, just sitting on the shoreline, apparently.

625
iossarian  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:29:40am

The incredibly complex way in which people of all ages can influence politics:

Step 1: Register to vote
Step 2: Vote

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ObserverArt  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:29:54am

re: #610 Dr. Matt

They are nearly impossible to control. Gators come and go as they please. It’s not unusual at all to see a gator walking around a neighbor in the middle of the summer going from one lake to another. Disney would literally have to fence of each lake to prevent gators from entering. With that said, there should have been better enforcement on Disney’s part. I can’t imagine swimming in a fresh water lake in Florida at night.

Thanks. I don’t know gators in Florida at all. I didn’t realize they get around so much. I know you see videos from time to time of them moving about, but I thought it was rare.

Yeah, I imagine they can do as they please, especially big ones like the one that attacked the child.

627
jaunte  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:29:56am

Missouri Republican official refuses to lower flags to honor Orlando shooting victims.

[Cole County Western District Commissioner] Scheperle said: “I want to honor those who have served our country, but we can’t lower it for every event like this that occurs. I do feel for those who were gunned down, but I don’t think it warrants lowering the flag.”
newstribune.com

He says he’s proud to represent a community with strong Christian values.
colecounty.org

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Dr. Matt  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:30:20am

re: #624 klys (maker of Silmarils)

They weren’t swimming, just sitting on the shoreline, apparently.

The story I heard this morning was the little boy was in the water. About a foot deep.

629
lawhawk  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:30:35am

re: #611 Kragar

Bullets going the other way? You mean like from the armed security guard? Or from law enforcement once they decided to breach and enter? What an astounding asshat Trump is.

630
Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:30:45am

re: #624 klys (maker of Silmarils)

They weren’t swimming, just sitting on the shoreline, apparently.

Gators can move pretty fast overland too, up to thirty miles per hour. Sitting near the water is no safety feature.

631
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:31:03am

re: #626 ObserverArt

Thanks. I don’t know gators in Florida at all. I didn’t realize they get around so much. I know you see videos from time to time of them moving about, but I thought it was rare.

Yeah, I imagine they can do as they please, especially big ones like the one that attacked the child.

I posted a tweet about this yesterday:

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:31:12am

re: #628 Dr. Matt

The story I heard this morning was the little boy was in the water. About a foot deep.

I could believe that, sadly. The family was from Nebraska. In the Midwest, swimming in freshwater lakes isn’t unusual at all.

633
Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:31:16am

re: #624 klys (maker of Silmarils)

They weren’t swimming, just sitting on the shoreline, apparently.

If you’ve been on or in natural water in Lower Alabama, you’ve been closer to alligators than you think.

(Last night’s reports said the toddler was wading.)

634
Dr. Matt  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:31:35am

The cynical asshole side of me keeps buzzing my brain that the gator story is bullshit cover-up for something more heinous. My 2 cents. Wouldn’t be the first time I was wrong though.

635
The Vicious Babushka  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:31:53am

DANA DUMBGUNZ

How do you think most people get across the border, Ms. Gunz?

636
GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:32:40am

re: #623 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Check your front door too.

637
The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:32:44am

re: #569 Stanley Sea

Again, he is fucking mentally ill.

Not really.

He’s doesn’t have an affect problem or a cognition problem.

Trump is manifestly two things:

(1) Incontinent, in that he speaks and acts in a way that conveys a lack of self reflection, and displays no discipline to filter or weigh his thoughts.
(2) Incoherent when arguing because he relies on spurious connections and appeal to authority.

While both of these traits can be part of a mental illness or personality disorder, Trump clearly is not impaired by them, nor does he demonstrate feeling impaired by them. So if the standard of mental illness is “it effects their quality of life” then he’s not mentally ill.

Furthermore, I’d point out that neither of those traits need be explained by pathology, when there’s a simpler explanation readily available. His reasoning is…poor…but it’s not novel in its poverty of structure: he thinks and talks like a lot of people who aren’t “ill” but are pridefully ignorant. He might like conspiracy logic because conspiracy logic rewards simple pattern recognition and views rigor and skepticism as part of the “conspiracy to hide the truth.” His tendency to go for ad hominem and appeal to authority could just be a matter of insecurity.

And if I was to speculate about Trump’s internal life, I’d say that what he manifests is a lack of empathy, nurtured by a life in which he’s never had to learn social cues or basic person-to-person interaction. And lack of empathy is still not a kind of mental illness…it’s the sociopathic spectrum, which is something that’s (1) still debated by psychologists, (2) not treatable. So if what we see really reflects what’s in his head, then we should be even more scared: he’s not crazy, he just doesn’t care.

But—giant but—Trump is also performing a role, so there’s the possibility that what we see is at least part performance…in which case, his conduct is constructed to generate a certain reaction from his audience. Given his business reputation as a con man and his success at “playing” a tycoon, I don’t think it can be ruled out that much of what his says is a role. But if he’s working a con and handling people by behaving this way, it’s indicative of a different kind of malign-ness.

None of this makes him okay…in fact, all of this makes it worse…than if he were sick in the head.

638
Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:32:58am

re: #635 The Vicious Babushka

DANA DUMBGUNZ

How do you think most people get across the border, Ms. Gunz?

It’s like we have no border control at all, no border patrol. Dana is dumbs.

639
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:33:00am
640
Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:33:11am

re: #636 GlutenFreeJesus

Check your front door too.

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“Pizza delivery.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:33:32am

re: #640 Decatur Deb

“Pizza delivery.”

“land shark”

642
jaunte  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:33:35am

Trump’s essentialism again. Ethnic heritage is destiny.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:33:40am

re: #632 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I could believe that, sadly. The family was from Nebraska. In the Midwest, swimming in freshwater lakes isn’t unusual at all.

Freshwater in Florida is a death sentence between gators, brain-eating amoebas, and red necks on airboats.

644
lawhawk  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:33:45am

re: #636 GlutenFreeJesus

Candygram!

645
Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:34:11am

So, apparently, Cenk Uygur’s PAC, Wolf PAC, might be a major fraud.

75% goes to Salaries and Administrative costs, just 12.8% to candidates.

Looks like grifting.

646
makeitstop  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:34:18am

re: #544 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s one ugly dog. :)

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retired cynic  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:34:25am

re: #616 sagehen

apod.nasa.gov

Astronomy Picture of the Day. It’s a NASA site, excellent place to find for Desktop images.

This is one of my favorites:
apod.nasa.gov

I start every day with it. First place I go!

648
Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:34:25am

re: #627 jaunte

Missouri Republican official refuses to lower flags to honor Orlando shooting victims.

He says he’s proud to represent a community with strong Christian values.
colecounty.org

That would depend on if it is his personal flag (like mine at my house) or a government flag.

The President ordered the flag to half-mast. Unpatriotic weasel.

My house flag flies from a gaff, and has a black ribbon attached to it in accordance with the American Legion’s recommendation for half-masting a flag that can’t be lowered.

All he is doing is giving a big up-yours to President Obama and the LGBT community.

649
Nyet  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:34:55am

re: #634 Dr. Matt

Apparently there were other witnesses.

650
FormerDirtDart  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:35:09am

re: #636 GlutenFreeJesus

Check your front door too.

Ummm…Land Shark

651
iossarian  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:35:17am

re: #642 jaunte

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Trump’s essentialism again. Ethnic heritage is destiny.

I used to think that Trump was unlikely to revive late-19th-century anti-German sentiments but now I’m not so sure.

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jaunte  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:35:19am

re: #648 Anymouse

He’s deciding for the entire county government.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:35:50am

re: #649 Nyet

Apparently there were other witnesses.

Ah. Ok. I didn’t know that. I’ll tell the cynical asshole side of me to shut the hell up.

654
Kragar  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:36:14am

re: #629 lawhawk

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Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:36:57am

re: #638 Sir John Barron

It’s like we have no border control at all, no border patrol. Dana is dumbs.

I got asked at the Montana-Saskatchewan border entering the USA with Nebraska plates if my Smart car had any guns in it. (Like I would smuggle guns in a Smart from Canada to Montana.) My car was searched. (Something about a Smart car that far away from home and my two-digit number plate.)

She’s a fool, or she thinks her audience are fools.

656
Belafon  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:37:18am

re: #635 The Vicious Babushka

DANA DUMBGUNZ

How do you think most people get across the border, Ms. Gunz?

What’s the point of banning hand grenades if you’re going to allow pineapple on pizza?

657
Nyet  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:37:43am

re: #653 Dr. Matt

Then again, maybe I’m mistaken.

“There were eyewitnesses who certainly saw the child taken under the water,” he said. “We know that that happened and it is certainly not survivable at this point for him to have been submerged for that period of time.”

He may mean the parents. Though it’s a strange way to say this imho.

658
FormerDirtDart  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:38:08am

re: #653 Dr. Matt

Ah. Ok. I didn’t know that. I’ll tell the cynical asshole side of me to shut the hell up.

You weren’t the only one. I actually made it a point to dig into several articles to find out if anyone had witnessed it aside from dad and mom..

659
Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:38:37am

re: #645 Ziggy_TARDIS

Also, the name of the PAC is interesting. Why Wolf PAC?

Considering his history, I think it might be related to the hardline Turkish Hypernationalist group called the Grey Wolves.

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Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:39:32am

re: #652 jaunte

He’s deciding for the entire county government.

Then he is violating a Presidential proclamation. Wait, this president isn’t allowed to give proclamations and presidential orders. My bad. Must be Kenya, Muslim, Democrat the black guy in the White House.

The Republicans would haul someone up on sedition charges if the situation were reversed. (I can’t see a Democrat showing such monumental disrespect though).

661
Belafon  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:39:32am

re: #659 Ziggy_TARDIS

Also, the name of the PAC is interesting. Why Wolf PAC?

Considering his history, I think it might be related to the hardline Turkish Hypernationalist group called the Grey Wolves.

Or it just sounded cool.

662
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:39:36am

re: #657 Nyet

From the article I linked above, there’s this description:

Splashing in the water caught the attention of guests, who realized the boy was grabbed.

Doesn’t really say much either way.

663
retired cynic  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:39:40am

re: #637 The Ghost of a Flea

Not really.

He’s doesn’t have an affect problem or a cognition problem.

Trump is manifestly two things:

(1) Incontinent, in that he speaks and acts in a way that conveys a lack of self reflection, and displays no discipline to filter or weigh his thoughts.
(2) Incoherent when arguing because he relies on spurious connections and appeal to authority.

While both of these traits can be part of a mental illness or personality disorder, Trump clearly is not impaired by them, nor does he demonstrate feeling impaired by them. So if the standard of mental illness is “it effects their quality of life” then he’s not mentally ill.

Furthermore, I’d point out that neither of those traits need be explained by pathology, when there’s a simpler explanation readily available. His reasoning is…poor…but it’s not novel in its poverty of structure: he thinks and talks like a lot of people who aren’t “ill” but are pridefully ignorant. He might like conspiracy logic because conspiracy logic rewards simple pattern recognition and views rigor and skepticism as part of the “conspiracy to hide the truth.” His tendency to go for ad hominem and appeal to authority could just be a matter of insecurity.

And if I was to speculate about Trump’s internal life, I’d say that what he manifests is a lack of empathy, nurtured by a life in which he’s never had to learn social cues or basic person-to-person interaction. And lack of empathy is still not a kind of mental illness…it’s the sociopathic spectrum, which is something that’s (1) still debated by psychologists, (2) not treatable. So if what we see really reflects what’s in his head, then we should be even more scared: he’s not crazy, he just doesn’t care.

But—giant but—Trump is also performing a role, so there’s the possibility that what we see is at least part performance…in which case, his conduct is constructed to generate a certain reaction from his audience. Given his business reputation as a con man and his success at “playing” a tycoon, I don’t think it can be ruled out that much of what his says is a role. But if he’s working a con and handling people by behaving this way, it’s indicative of a different kind of

None of this makes him okay…in fact, all of this makes it worse…than if he were sick in the head.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:40:24am

re: #662 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Also:

Demings said the family was relaxing on the shoreline when the alligator attacked the boy. The father entered the water and tried to pry the child from the gator, but was unsuccessful. He had scratches on his hands after the ordeal.

Parents then alerted a nearby lifeguard that an alligator had attacked the boy. Officials estimated it was between four and seven feet long.

665
Big Beautiful Door  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:40:34am

Senator Christopher Murphy, Connecticut, has launched a filibuster for universal background checks in the Senate. Way to go!

667
GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:40:44am

To Dana Dumbass:

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Nyet  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:41:17am

re: #664 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Too complicated for foul play imho.

669
retired cynic  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:41:51am

re: #654 Kragar

And shoot straight, with no ricochets.

670
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:42:23am

Back to Senate floor:
Sen Manchin (WV) now asking question about gun culture. Talking about how they teach responsible gun ownership. Really convoluted argument he’s trying to make in agreeing with Murphy that won’t come back to bite him in the ass with his constituents.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:42:42am

re: #635 The Vicious Babushka

DANA DUMBGUNZ

How do you think most people get across the border, Ms. Gunz?

NO GUN CONTROL UNTIL WE BUILD MEXICO WALL!!!!!

672
Franklin  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:43:23am

re: #667 GlutenFreeJesus

To Dana Dumbass:

Embedded Image

Oh yeah, checkmate libtard!

673
Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:43:39am

To Missouri county official: Read the Flag Code.

law.cornell.edu

Especially the part where the President or the state governor can order the flag to half-mast.

How did the GOP manage to convince Americans they were patriots and liberals were traitors?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:44:05am

re: #668 Nyet

Too complicated for foul play imho.

My default assumption is to give the family the benefit of the doubt. A small child, wading, at twilight/early night, in an area where gators are clearly known to be (they’ve caught 4 in the lake so far, it sounds like) …it’s tragic but not illogical.

I hope to be pleasantly surprised and not see a lawsuit filed out of this in the next month, but my cynical side does kick in there.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:44:29am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:44:32am

re: #654 Kragar

GUN FREE ZONES!!!!!!

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Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:44:42am

re: #673 Anymouse

To Missouri county official: Read the Flag Code.

law.cornell.edu

Especially the part where the President or the state governor can order the flag to half-mast.

How did the GOP manage to convince Americans they were patriots and liberals were traitors?

The people in MO got complaints & decided to lower the flag in the end.

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Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:46:10am

Regway border crossing between Montana and Saskatchewan:

en.wikipedia.org

Complete with picture of where they search cars.

Image: 300px-Raymond_montana_border_station.jpg

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Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:46:19am

re: #674 klys (maker of Silmarils)

My default assumption is to give the family the benefit of the doubt. A small child, wading, at twilight/early night, in an area where gators are clearly known to be (they’ve caught 4 in the lake so far, it sounds like) …it’s tragic but not illogical.

I hope to be pleasantly surprised and not see a lawsuit filed out of this in the next month, but my cynical side does kick in there.

The Mouse is very hard to sue successfully. Disney has taken great care to prepare the legal environment, essentially before the groundbreaking.

viz. “Disney Laws”.

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Nyet  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:46:24am

re: #675 The Vicious Babushka

Thanks to Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:47:29am

Manchin is essentially encouraging taking baby steps: start with something very basic addressing background checks and use that as a building block for further action.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:48:08am

re: #627 jaunte

Missouri Republican official refuses to lower flags to honor Orlando shooting victims.

He says he’s proud to represent a community with strong Christian values.
colecounty.org

Only the most deadly mass shooting in U.S. history. No big deal.

///

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Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:48:57am

re: #681 Backwoods_Sleuth

Manchin is essentially encouraging taking baby steps: start with something very basic addressing background checks and use that as a building block for further action.

I thought we already do background checks, just not at gun shows.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:49:17am

re: #623 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Per one article I read this morning, they do. But the lake is connected to others via numerous canals, and alligators don’t give a shit about human boundaries of where they are and are not supposed to be. Apparently some of the guests liked to feed the alligators as well.

Most FL residents probably know to treat any body of water as if it has alligators in it, unless it’s a pool that you can clearly see the bottom of. The challenge is when you’re dealing with tourists.

I was in Disney World in April, and I don’t recall seeing warning signs. We, of course, only swam in the pools at the Disney Resort.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:49:39am

re: #675 The Vicious Babushka

well he’s kind of self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:49:44am

re: #683 Sir John Barron

I thought we already do background checks, just not at gun shows.

Manchin is talking about gun shows.
He’s also talking now about the no-fly list and watch list.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:50:56am

re: #661 Belafon

Or it just sounded cool.

Or they all wear shirts with wolves howling at the moon.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:51:49am

re: #675 The Vicious Babushka

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Trump is getting more Nazi-like every day. I’m sorry, but trying to win an election by spurring fear and hatred of a minority group is what fascists do. Godwin doesn’t apply when you’re talking about an actual fascist.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:52:41am

Trump goes nuclear…
And, it what you would expect

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:52:53am

re: #684 Big Beautiful Door

I was in Disney World in April, and I don’t recall seeing warning signs. We, of course, only swam in the pools at the Disney Resort.

From the same article, there weren’t signs about gators but there were signs saying “don’t swim,”, essentially.

I admit I am not keen on swimming anywhere I can’t see the bottom so freshwater lakes really don’t tempt me anyway. >.>

Anyway, time for my walk/run. Today’s goal is to see if I can jog 3/4 of a mile straight.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:53:20am

re: #664 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Also:

A specialist (I think) interviewed on NPR right now said that part of the problem is that people feed the alligators stuff like fried chicken because they think it’s cool to watch. The gators are less hesitant to approach humans in these places.

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:53:28am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:53:39am

Murphy on the Senate floor: “we’re here because we’ve had enough.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:54:32am

re: #690 klys (maker of Silmarils)

From the same article, there weren’t signs about gators but there were signs saying “don’t swim,”, essentially.

I admit I am not keen on swimming anywhere I can’t see the bottom so freshwater lakes really don’t tempt me anyway. >.>

Anyway, time for my walk/run. Today’s goal is to see if I can jog 3/4 of a mile straight.

I’d put a big gator on those signs to get the point across.

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:55:03am

re: #689 FormerDirtDart

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Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:55:09am

re: #694 Big Beautiful Door

Not a real one I hope.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:55:20am

re: #692 lawhawk

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Once that time machine is up and running, have at it./

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:55:23am

X ~13,000
And that’s just for the damn boat…

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:55:26am

re: #690 klys (maker of Silmarils)

From the same article, there weren’t signs about gators but there were signs saying “don’t swim,”, essentially.

I admit I am not keen on swimming anywhere I can’t see the bottom so freshwater lakes really don’t tempt me anyway. >.>

Anyway, time for my walk/run. Today’s goal is to see if I can jog 3/4 of a mile straight.

Serpentine!

Serpentine! Serpentine!

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iossarian  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:55:38am

re: #692 lawhawk

Called it. Presumably they also oppose closing the gun show loophole.

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:55:57am

The ONLY problem with a filibuster is the GOP is going “yay, we don’t have to do anything.” How do you shame people for not working if they’re incapable of being embarrassed?

Go Team D.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:56:02am

re: #688 Big Beautiful Door

Trump is getting more Nazi-like every day. I’m sorry, but trying to win an election by spurring fear and hatred of a minority group is what fascists do. Godwin doesn’t apply when you’re talking about an actual fascist.

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Nyet  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:56:07am

re: #688 Big Beautiful Door

Trump is getting more Nazi-like every day. I’m sorry, but trying to win an election by spurring fear and hatred of a minority group is what fascists do. Godwin doesn’t apply when you’re talking about an actual fascist.

Godwin always applies.

“As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazism or Hitler approaches 1”

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iossarian  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:56:15am

re: #698 FormerDirtDart

X ~13,000
And that’s just for the damn boat…

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Are you fucking kidding me? A million dollars?

This guy claims he’s run companies?

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Teukka  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:56:44am

re: #689 FormerDirtDart

Trump goes nuclear…
And, it what you would expect

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Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:56:50am

re: #701 Belafon

The ONLY problem with a filibuster is the GOP is going “yay, we don’t have to do anything.” How do you shame people for not working if they’re incapable of being embarrassed?

Go Team D.

Every time a bill comes up the Republicans want passed, bring up this filibuster. Again and again. They’ve been doing it for seven years.

It’s about time they are forced to compromise.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:57:12am

re: #689 FormerDirtDart

Trump goes nuclear…
And, it what you would expect

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Hey, Donnie! Putin got anything like the W88?

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Franklin  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:57:21am

re: #698 FormerDirtDart

X ~13,000
And that’s just for the damn boat…

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That’s not for real is it? Thats a budget overrun on the labor line item.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:57:47am

re: #702 Stanley Sea

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The woman with her hands up looks like Jackson Pearce.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:58:01am

re: #697 Big Beautiful Door

Once that time machine is up and running, have at it./

Precogs floating in a tank….

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:59:32am

re: #663 retired cynic

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:59:54am

re: #703 Nyet

Godwin always applies.

You could add a Trump collary, “When Donald Trump is mentioned in an online discussion, the probability of a comparison to Nazism or Hitler becomes 1.”

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Franklin  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:01:30am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:02:17am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:02:20am

re: #689 FormerDirtDart

Trump goes nuclear…
And, it what you would expect

“Shut the F up, Donnie! You’re out of your element!”

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Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:03:23am

re: #708 Franklin

That’s not for real is it? Thats a budget overrun on the labor line item.

Cost of a Gerald R Ford class aircraft carrier: $9billion. Without crew, maintenance, aircraft fuel, aircraft, auxiliary ships associated with an aircraft carrier task force, or spare parts.

One of those would pay for Senator Sanders’s college plan for four year state universities for years to come for everyone qualified to go.

nces.ed.gov
en.wikipedia.org

We have more aircraft carriers than the rest of the world put together.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:03:58am

re: #704 iossarian

Are you fucking kidding me? A million dollars?

This guy claims he’s run companies?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:04:24am

re: #716 Anymouse

Cost of a Gerald R Ford class aircraft carrier: $9billion. Without crew, maintenance, aircraft fuel, aircraft, auxiliary ships associated with an aircraft carrier task force, or spare parts.

One of those would pay for Senator Sanders’s college plan for four year state universities for years to come for everyone qualified to go.

nces.ed.gov
en.wikipedia.org

We have more aircraft carriers than the rest of the world put together.

The world’s most expensive sitting ducks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:04:27am
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Barefoot Grin  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:04:31am

re: #714 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Things I learned from Gaddafi.

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Buyers Remorse  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:04:32am

Its about time they took coffee off the cancer causing list, drink up!!!!

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:05:18am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:05:36am
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Belafon  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:05:50am

re: #716 Anymouse

And they’re larger than all of the others.

The Stennis, the carrier I was on, cost $4B to build in the mid 90s.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:06:04am
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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:06:39am

re: #716 Anymouse

Cost of a Gerald R Ford class aircraft carrier: $9billion. Without crew, maintenance, aircraft fuel, aircraft, auxiliary ships associated with an aircraft carrier task force, or spare parts.

One of those would pay for Senator Sanders’s college plan for four year state universities for years to come for everyone qualified to go.

nces.ed.gov
en.wikipedia.org

We have more aircraft carriers than the rest of the world put together.

And we have all the super carriers.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:07:05am
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Franklin  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:07:16am

re: #723 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s on a roll. Next up: ending conscription, slavery and giving women the right to vote (for trump).

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makeitstop  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:07:35am

re: #637 The Ghost of a Flea

And if I was to speculate about Trump’s internal life, I’d say that what he manifests is a lack of empathy, nurtured by a life in which he’s never had to learn social cues or basic person-to-person interaction.

So it’s a pretty safe bet that his kids are every bit as fucked up as he is.

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blueraven  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:07:53am
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Belafon  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:07:59am

re: #718 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The world’s most expensive sitting ducks.

Floating cities tend to be obvious.

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Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:08:48am

re: #718 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The world’s most expensive sitting ducks.

When I was stationed aboard USS America (CV-66), we were told in a lecture ideally an aircraft carrier would survive a battle to fight again, but the primary purpose is to get the aircraft off the deck for an attack.

Made me dream about Davy Jones’s Locker that night, and if he had a space for me.

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:08:54am

re: #729 makeitstop

So it’s a pretty safe bet that his kids are every bit as fucked up as he is.

Interestingly enough, at least one of thems support Democrats.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:09:00am

re: #728 Franklin

He’s on a roll. Next up: ending conscription, slavery and giving women the right to vote (for trump).

I think I made the better choice with watching the Senate gun violence filibuster on CSPAN (it’s really very very good), and following the Trump fantasy hour on twitter.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:09:38am

Trump: Aircraft carrier costs about a million bucks…

In 1988 Trump bought what would become the Trump Princess for $29,000,000 from a Saudi billionaire in financial trouble


He would sell it in 1991 for $20,000,000 after he ran into financial problems.
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Sir John Barron  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:09:53am

re: #719 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s trying. He really is. He wants someone to step in and tell him he’s done enough and can go home. Someone else will be the GOP candidate in November. But no one does.

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Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:10:30am

re: #735 FormerDirtDart

Trump: Aircraft carrier costs about a million bucks…

In 1988 Trump bought what would be come the Trump Princess for $29,000,000 from a Saudi billionaire in financial trouble

He would sell it in 1991 for $20,000,000 after he ran into financial problems.

That would by twenty-nine aircraft carriers!

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:10:37am

re: #732 Anymouse

When I was stationed aboard USS America (CV-66), we were told in a lecture ideally an aircraft carrier would survive a battle to fight again, but the primary purpose is to get the aircraft off the deck for an attack.

Made me dream about Davy Jones’s Locker that night, and if he had a space for me.

When I was on the Stennis, we were told our job was to get to a location so that the planes could get off. If we were in an actual battle, once that occurred, the rest of the battle group would go off to defend themselves. If the planes returned, then the group would reform.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:10:38am

re: #729 makeitstop

So it’s a pretty safe bet that his kids are every bit as fucked up as he is.

Ivanka seems to have a good head on her shoulders. I’d feel more comfortable with her as President than Donald. Of course I’d feel more comfortable with almost anyone as President than Donald.

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Kragar  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:10:58am
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wrenchwench  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:11:01am
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Nyet  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:11:26am

re: #730 blueraven

Now I hope Trump takes credit.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:11:49am

I think the old school use of the word incontinent—as in, incapable of keeping your emotions or impulses in check—is something we need to revisit.

Because while Trump is the nadir, he’s just the vaguest, most impressionistic manifestation of thirty or so years of angry dudes being treated as smart and authentic for just screaming their angry, self-indulgent feelings at microphones.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:11:56am

re: #732 Anymouse

When I was stationed aboard USS America (CV-66), we were told in a lecture ideally an aircraft carrier would survive a battle to fight again, but the primary purpose is to get the aircraft off the deck for an attack.

Made me dream about Davy Jones’s Locker that night, and if he had a space for me.

That worked out so well for the Akagi, Kaga, Kiryu, and Soryu.

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:12:07am

re: #726 Big Beautiful Door

We have CVNs… the only nuclear powered aircraft carriers (Nimitz/Ford class). No one else has ships like that - each over 1,000 long with capacity for 70+ aircraft.
We have LHAs and LHDs, which are roughly the size of US WWII aircraft carriers (nearly 1,000 feet long), and are still as big or bigger than carriers operated by Russia, China, India, or the UK or France. Those carry Harriers, Ospreys, and assorted helicopters (or tank landing craft

globalsecurity.org

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Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:13:35am
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Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:13:50am

re: #738 Belafon

When I was on the Stennis, we were told our job was to get to a location so that the planes could get off. If we were in an actual battle, once that occurred, the rest of the battle group would go off to defend themselves. If the planes returned, then the group would reform.

On my last ship, USS Saratoga (CV-60), I think the Navy’s plan might have been to have it run blockade for more modern ships.

When we were preparing for decommissioning (while we were still in the Med), we were stripping test benches and shipping everything off the ship that wasn’t welded to the deckplates. (That would have been a good time to sink us.)

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Franklin  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:14:56am
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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:15:24am

re: #746 Stanley Sea

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Because when she was arguing that same sex marriage harms the public, that certainly wouldn’t incite any hatred./

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:15:35am

The flip side to our spending is that we are the world’s Navy, and have prevented the oceans from being carved up into to country controlled areas that would more than likely be treated as toll ways by the countries. It also prevents a larger country from running another country by controlling their coastlines. Which is what China is trying to do.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:15:55am

re: #745 lawhawk

We have CVNs… the only nuclear powered aircraft carriers (Nimitz/Ford class). …

France’s Charles de Gaulle is nuclear powered

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:17:26am

Sen. Edward Markey calling out the NRA.

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Thanos  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:19:23am

Here’s my worry: the way elections and the GOP works if the Dems are still highly focused on Gun Control and keeping it at the forefront of political discussion in November, then we will just be performing the GOP’s GOTV drive for them.
It’s important discussion & needs to be had, it might backfire if it’s extended.

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Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:19:51am

re: #750 Belafon

The flip side to our spending is that we are the world’s Navy, and have prevented the oceans from being carved up into to country controlled areas that would more than likely be treated as toll ways by the countries. It also prevents a larger country from running another country by controlling their coastlines. Which is what China is trying to do.

Ever since the revolution ended, the US has used its Navy to enforce freedom of travel of ships from all nations, starting with the dust up with the Ottoman Empire over the capture of the USS Philadelphia. (The Ottoman Empire was extracting tribute for anyone to sail the Med.)

Stephen Decatur wasn’t able to free the Philadelphia (which Tripoli set up as a harbour battery), but with a small crew was able to take it over and burn it to the waterline. Admiral Nelson called it “the greatest act of the age.”

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Thanos  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:20:22am

Did that last post sound too concern trolly? That’s not my intent - I do favor reasonable gun control regulations.

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Nyet  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:21:45am

re: #755 Thanos

It’s a legitimate worry. But they also said it about gay marriage…

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Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:22:00am

re: #753 Thanos

Here’s my worry: the way elections and the GOP works if the Dems are still highly focused on Gun Control and keeping it at the forefront of political discussion in November, then we will just be performing the GOP’s GOTV drive for them.
It’s important discussion & needs to be had, it might backfire if it’s extended.

Two mass shootings on opposite sides of the country yesterday, Oakland, CA and Wilmington, DE. The NRA is running up the score. They need to be called on it.

Channelling GW Bush: You are with us or you are with the terrorists.

Your argument is similar to the “now is not the right time” argument from the NRA. No time is the right time according to the GOP and NRA.

If not now, when? Hang every dead corpse around Donald Trump’s neck.

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:22:03am

re: #751 FormerDirtDart

Yeah, it’s the only other nuclear carrier operated outside the US. However, it’s a different order of magnitude in size/capability. It’s about 900 feet long, and can carry up to 40 fixed wing.

That compares to the Nimitz/Ford classes which are ~1,100 feet long, carry 70+ fixed wing aircraft, and

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:23:17am

Sen. Markey STILL going after the NRA.

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Thanos  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:24:04am

re: #756 Nyet

It’s a legitimate worry. But they also said it about gay marriage…

Good point. I’m trying to determine the depth and breadth of the continuing discussion I’m having with decidedly gun friendly family and friends from Alaska.

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Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:25:29am

The 700 Club back-pedalling on Rev. Pat Robertson’s statement that gays and Muslim terrorists are on the same side and should be allowed to kill each other.

“He didn’t say that” when that is exactly what he said.

Wonkette with video of Robertson:

wonkette.com

Robertson tossed in “extreme left-wing bloggers” for good measure.

Sorry, Mr. Johnson, Robertson thinks your an extremist.

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gocart mozart  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:31:54am

re: #665 Big Beautiful Door

Senator Christopher Murphy, Connecticut, has launched a filibuster for universal background checks in the Senate. Way to go!

Future Vice President Chris Murphy (you heard it here first)

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Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:34:10am

re: #762 gocart mozart

Future Vice President Chris Murphy (you heard it hear first)

How long before Mitch McConnell simply refuses to recognise Democrats to speak on the Senate floor? (Since the GOP is going full-on fascist, might as well start outlawing opposition parties too.)

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:35:42am

re: #716 Anymouse

And we also have the smaller Semi-Carriers, like the Tarawa.

So, the true number is well into the twenties.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:38:37am

re: #414 ObserverArt

I’d like to see people exchange their guns for guitars. Kill ‘em with tuneage.

Or, if you’re cruel, out-of-tuneage.

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unproven innocence  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:39:24am

re: #732 Anymouse

When I was stationed aboard USS America (CV-66), we were told in a lecture ideally an aircraft carrier would survive a battle to fight again, but the primary purpose is to get the aircraft off the deck for an attack.

Made me dream about Davy Jones’s Locker that night, and if he had a space for me.

The pilots would be in the same boat —metaphorically, not literally.

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Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:39:30am

re: #765 Jebediah, RBG

Or, if you’re cruel, out-of-tuneage.

I can do that with my hammererd dulcimer. (There is always at least one string out of tune, even if I just tuned it.)

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:42:57am

re: #642 jaunte

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No Depression  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:44:38am

re: #659 Ziggy_TARDIS

Also, the name of the PAC is interesting. Why Wolf PAC?

Considering his history, I think it might be related to the hardline Turkish Hypernationalist group called the Grey Wolves.

I’m no fan of Cenk, but I think it’s just a play on words.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2016 • 12:33:40pm

re: #708 Franklin

That’s not for real is it? Thats a budget overrun on the labor line item.

The USS Gerald Ford cost 35,000,000,000. Empty. No whitewalls.

Note: Might have misquoted myself from a thread last month. Or we got a rebate.

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Shimshon  Jun 15, 2016 • 5:25:06pm

re: #770 Decatur Deb

The USS Gerald Ford cost 35,000,000,000. Empty. No whitewalls.

Note: Might have misquoted myself from a thread last month. Or we got a rebate.

But did you hear about that one family buying lobster with their food stamps? /s


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