Donald Trump’s Poll Numbers Are Plummeting Fast, and He’s Taking the GOP With Him

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The latest poll numbers are an absolute disaster for Donald Trump — and for the Republican Party in general.

Just 32 percent of Americans view the Republican Party favorably as it prepares to formally nominate Donald Trump for president, the latest Bloomberg Politics national poll shows, the lowest level recorded since the poll’s inception in September 2009.

The Democratic Party, by contrast, is seen favorably by 49 percent. Congress is viewed favorably by just 24 percent, the lowest since March 2010 and a response that found near bipartisan agreement in the poll.

Those views will not only shape the presidential race between Trump and Hillary Clinton, they could spill over into down-ballot contests that that will determine control of Congress and governorships after November.

“This is obviously related to perceptions of Trump,” said pollster J. Ann Selzer, who oversaw the survey. “This bleeds out into perceptions of the party and to other GOP politicians.”

Read the questions and methodology here.

UPDATE at 6/15/16 8:54:09 pm by Charles Johnson

And there’s more:

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385 comments
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teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:41:02pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:43:53pm

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:45:01pm

Too soon damnitall. Not til Cleveland!

Premature electile dysfunction.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:45:11pm

Sexual misconduct probe forces Oakland to go through three police chiefs in a week

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makeitstop  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:45:29pm

Something’s gotta give here.

I realize that the GOP has painted themselves into the mother of all corners here - they can’t toss Trump over the side, because his supporters would go with him. But will they really stick with this guy who is overseeing the utter destruction of their party?

Like Josh Marshall said, this is not sustainable. Either by design or accident, something is going to break loose here.

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Lidane  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:45:40pm

This is excellent news for John McCain Mitt Romney Donald Trump!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:45:43pm

re: #4 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The hell?

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Great White Snark  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:48:09pm

re: #3 MsJ

Too soon damnitall. Not til Cleveland!

Premature electile dysfunction.

You knew this was coming right?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:48:44pm

Also, apparently Israel is cutting off water to the West Bank.

Israeli water company Mekorot cuts its water supply to the West Bank, while Palestinians are celebrating Ramadan, leaving tens of thousands of people without safe drinking water. (Al Jazeera)
Mekorot denies cutting off water to the West Bank. It does admit a broad reduction in water supply to the Palestinian territory. (Mo4ch News) (Al Jazeera)
The executive director of NGO Palestinian Hydrology Group says water was totally siphoned off in some Palestinian areas before and during Ramadan days. (Al Jazeera)
Israeli water company Mekorot has not altered the water supply to Israeli colonies on the West Bank. Mekorot cut off water supplies to Jenin, several Nablus villages, the city of Salfit and surrounding villages. Jenin mayor Ragheb Al Haj Hassan says the water cut off without prior notice has been catastrophic. Palestinians have resorted to buying water tanks to meet their basic needs.

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electrotek  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:49:37pm

How the fuck do I refute the stupid right-wing talking point about why if Omar Mateen doesn’t represent all Muslims then why do all gun owners have to be generalized?

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electrotek  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:50:28pm

re: #7 Ziggy_TARDIS

The hell?

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lockjawcanbefun  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:51:06pm
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Kragar  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:51:12pm
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electrotek  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:51:52pm

God I’m tired of these far-leftist kooks who think the entire US military should be tarred with the same brush

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:52:40pm

re: #11 electrotek

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majii  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:52:50pm

Trump is in denial about his falling poll numbers. In Atlanta today, he said the poll numbers are “phony.”

“”So now, they’re saying she has built a massive team. She’s got almost nine hundred people, and she’s spending money, and Trump has seventy-three people, but you know we’re doing very well. Watch what the end result is. Watch what the end result is. And when you look at the phony poll numbers that I’m seeing. Take a look at the poll numbers from right after this horrendous, and horrible, and something that we have to stop attack.”“
politicususa.com

I expect to hear more from him about the phony poll numbers, maybe some attacks on polling outfits, and some GOP/TPers to come up with “unskewed” polls that show Trump wins in a landslide in November. IOWs, the usual RW BS.

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electrotek  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:54:09pm

re: #15 Ziggy_TARDIS

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:54:39pm

re: #16 majii

Rasmussen and Gallup are on the case.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:55:45pm

re: #16 majii

Trump is in denial about his falling poll numbers. In Atlanta today, he said the poll numbers are “phony.”

“”So now, they’re saying she has built a massive team. She’s got almost nine hundred people, and she’s spending money, and Trump has seventy-three people, but you know we’re doing very well. Watch what the end result is. Watch what the end result is. And when you look at the phony poll numbers that I’m seeing. Take a look at the poll numbers from right after this horrendous, and horrible, and something that we have to stop attack.”“
politicususa.com

I expect to hear more from him about the phony poll numbers, maybe some attacks on polling outfits, and some GOP/TPers to come up with “unskewed” polls that show Trump wins in a landslide in November. IOWs, the usual RW BS.

No sleep till Cleveland.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:56:52pm

re: #17 electrotek

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Great White Snark  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:57:41pm

re: #10 electrotek

Two wrongs etc etc. If even worthwhile tho..

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electrotek  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:58:37pm

re: #20 Ziggy_TARDIS

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Interesting Times  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:59:21pm

re: #3 MsJ

Too soon damnitall. Not til Cleveland!

Premature electile dysfunction.

On this note, *can* they replace him at the convention, and pass it off as some kind of “principled” stand or other such disingenuous nonsense?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2016 • 8:59:47pm

Good. Either directly or indirectly the GOP has been enabling the hatred he pushes so they deserve to go down with him.

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majii  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:00:14pm

re: #6 Lidane

I have noted in the past that most of the blacks I know, including myself, have no love for Trump no matter what he, Stacey Dash, Omarosa Manigault, the two black YouTubers, the black pastors who say they support him, or Herman Cain says, and this poll seems to confirm what I said.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:00:48pm

re: #23 Interesting Times

On this note, *can* they replace him at the convention, and pass it off as some kind of “principled” stand or other such disingenuous nonsense?

I suppose they could but the base would probably be even more furious with their leaders than they already are. The GOP powers to be are I think more or less stuck with Trump and it’s their own fault.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:02:12pm

re: #23 Interesting Times

On this note, *can* they replace him at the convention, and pass it off as some kind of “principled” stand or other such disingenuous nonsense?

The rules committee could free the delegates to vote for anyone they wanted before the convention starts. That’s no guarantee that tRump wouldn’t still win.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:02:15pm

re: #10 electrotek

How the fuck do I refute the stupid right-wing talking point about why if Omar Mateen doesn’t represent all Muslims then why do all gun owners have to be generalized?

Avoiding generalizations about all gun owners is the best & most obvious way to refute it, then if they accuse you of doing so ask them to point out where you did it. If you are making generalizations, then you don’t really have any room to complain.

And on that note, I’m outta here—need to get some sleep.

Later, lizards.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:02:32pm

re: #22 electrotek

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:02:56pm

re: #23 Interesting Times

On this note, *can* they replace him at the convention, and pass it off as some kind of “principled” stand or other such disingenuous nonsense?

It’s their party, they can do whatever they want (likely sneakily). They know they’ve lost the WH. They can’t afford to let Trump fuck it up all the way downstream to local dog catcher.

I said this a week ago: they’re going to replace him in Cleveland. I fully believe it.

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electrotek  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:03:30pm

re: #29 Ziggy_TARDIS

No worries man, totally understand. Only fast if you’re physically and mentally able. Too many forget the latter is also vital as well.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:04:15pm

re: #30 MsJ

It’s their party, they can do whatever they want (likely sneakily). They know they’ve lost the WH. They can’t afford to let Trump fuck it up all the way downstream to local dog catcher.

I said this a week ago: they’re going to replace him in Cleveland. I fully believe it.

I can’t wait for the reaction. Wingnut tears are so delicious!

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whitebeach  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:04:39pm

re: #10 electrotek

How the fuck do I refute the stupid right-wing talking point about why if Omar Mateen doesn’t represent all Muslims then why do all gun owners have to be generalized?

Remind the assholes that Mateen was also a gun owner.

Then tell them that nobody is generalizing all gun owners, whereas millions of jerks, including one party’s chosen presidential candidate, are generalizing all Muslims in the whole world.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:05:03pm

For teleskiguy…

One of those days 3 - Candide Thovex

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Lidane  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:05:03pm

GOP strategist Rick Wilson is on a tear against Trump tonight on Twitter. It’s pretty fun. He’s got a good rant going. Here’s the beginning:

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:05:17pm

re: #10 electrotek

How the fuck do I refute the stupid right-wing talking point about why if Omar Mateen doesn’t represent all Muslims then why do all gun owners have to be generalized?

Not sure how you’re arguing, but we’ve never said all gun owners are evil, especially since some of us own guns. At the same time, I am more than willing to argue that it’s OK to ban things like weapons that fire more than one round per trigger pull, armor piercing bullets, and large magazines because they are dangerous and not needed for hunting or self-defense, in the same way that we ban people from owning explosives.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:06:04pm

re: #32 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I can’t wait for the reaction. Wingnut tears are so delicious!

If it was only that is party right along with you. But Trump and his followers are violent assholes. The GOP doesn’t give a shit about America. It’s going to hurt all of us. I can see riots in many places. It’s going to be very, very ugly.

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electrotek  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:07:18pm

re: #36 Belafon

Not sure how you’re arguing, but we’ve never said all gun owners are evil, especially since some of us own guns. At the same time, I am more than willing to argue that it’s OK to ban things like weapons that fire more than one round per trigger pull, armor piercing bullets, and large magazines because they are dangerous and not needed for hunting or self-defense, in the same way that we ban people from owning explosives.

It’s the same dickheads I know that keep whining about ‘radical Islam’ and how we need to hit ‘radical Islam’ hard. Also the same ones who have a habit of sharing garbage about refugees and culture wars of Europe.

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makeitstop  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:07:25pm

I found this via a commenter over at Driftglass. The author of several books on domestic violence says that Trump exhibits all the traits of a wife beater writ large.

In truth, most women don’t need psychiatrists to explain the peculiar admiration of an aspiring autocrat for his role models. Every woman who has ever had to deal with a Trump-style-tyrant in her own home or at her job already has Trump’s number. We recognize him as a bloated specimen of the common garden variety Controlling Man, a familiar type of Household Hitler.

In fact, Donald J. Trump perfectly fits the profile of an ordinary wife abuser — with one additional twist. Expansive fellow that he is, Trump has not confined his controlling tactics to his own home(s). For seven years, he practiced them openly for all the world to see on The Apprentice, his very own reality show, and now applies them on a national stage, commanding constant attention while alternately insulting, cajoling, demeaning, embracing, patronizing, and verbally beating up anyone (including a “Mexican” judge) who stands in the way of his coronation.

Let me be clear. I’m not suggesting that Donald Trump beats his wife (or wives). I’m only observing that this year the enormous gender gap among voters can be partially explained by the fact that, thanks to their own personal experience, millions of American women know a tyrant when they see one.

Well worth a read. Going into lurk mode, catch y’all tomorrow.

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majii  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:07:56pm

re: #27 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Being the cowards that I know they are, I don’t think Reince Preibus, McConnell, Ryan, or any other GOP/TPer wants to make the move to take the nomination from Trump in Cleveland because they lack the courage to stand up to their base. I think it’s their cowardice in standing up to their base that has landed them in their current predicament of having Trump at top of the ticket and GOP/TPers in Congress and around the nation going out of their way to avoid commenting about the things he says.

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Lidane  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:08:02pm

ROFL:

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:09:01pm

re: #36 Belafon

Not sure how you’re arguing, but we’ve never said all gun owners are evil, especially since some of us own guns. At the same time, I am more than willing to argue that it’s OK to ban things like weapons that fire more than one round per trigger pull, armor piercing bullets, and large magazines because they are dangerous and not needed for hunting or self-defense, in the same way that we ban people from owning explosives.

Even the M-16 isn’t fully automatic any more. It only fires three rounds per trigger pull (which is ridiculous because they’re all going to hit the same thing). WHY DUZ TEH ARMY HATE THE TROOPS!!11!!

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BeenHereAwhile  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:09:32pm

re: #16 majii

Trump is in denial about his falling poll numbers. In Atlanta today, he said the poll numbers are “phony.”

“”So now, they’re saying she has built a massive team. She’s got almost nine hundred people, and she’s spending money, and Trump has seventy-three people, but you know we’re doing very well. Watch what the end result is. Watch what the end result is. And when you look at the phony poll numbers that I’m seeing. Take a look at the poll numbers from right after this horrendous, and horrible, and something that we have to stop attack.”“
politicususa.com

< snip >

Trump is both Borat and Huey Long.

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Sherlock Hound  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:10:43pm

re: #41 Lidane

I suspect Christie is already Trump’s “bathroom attendant”, in a manner of speaking.

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majii  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:10:44pm

re: #35 Lidane

I’m ROTFLMBO! This is too delicious.

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majii  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:16:19pm

re: #44 Sherlock Hound

According a post at TPM a few days ago, Christie does make McDonald’s runs for Trump.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:17:11pm

re: #30 MsJ

It’s their party, they can do whatever they want (likely sneakily). They know they’ve lost the WH. They can’t afford to let Trump fuck it up all the way downstream to local dog catcher.

I said this a week ago: they’re going to replace him in Cleveland. I fully believe it.

He’ll quit first.

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teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:18:59pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

CANDIDE! Been watching this dude ski since the late 90s. The “One Of Those Days” series is endlessly creative and terrifying.

Jonny Moseley spoofed this ski porn technique.

One Of Those Daze - Pain McShlonkey

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:19:01pm

re: #40 majii

Being the cowards that I know they are, I don’t think Reince Preibus, McConnell, Ryan, or any other GOP/TPer wants to make the move to take the nomination from Trump in Cleveland because they lack the courage to stand up to their base. I think it’s their cowardice in standing up to their base that has landed them in their current predicament of having Trump at top of the ticket and GOP/TPers in Congress and around the nation going out of their way to avoid commenting about the things he says.

The thing with The Base is this: where are they going to go? And which base? Social cons, Neo cons, racists, or other sundried assholes? The TP is gone. They’re in worse shape than the Bernie/Clinton Dem rift.

Most of us like what Bernie said. We just saw bullshit and political promises and Bernie turning into Just Another Politician. Clinton/Bernie aren’t that different and the vast number of dems agree. The GOP has too many Bases to satisfy them all.

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Interesting Times  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:19:18pm

re: #47 Stanley Sea

He’ll quit first.

I wondered about that as well - does the nomination default to cruz in that event?

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Tigger2  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:19:38pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

For teleskiguy…

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That would be a good opening scene for a new a James Bond movie.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:20:15pm

re: #47 Stanley Sea

He’ll quit first.

What…a You Don’t Appreciate or Deserve Me thing?

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:21:18pm

re: #52 MsJ

What…a You Don’t Appreciate or Deserve Me thing?

Oooh! An Indy run? (PLEASEPLEASEPLEASE!!!)

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majii  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:22:54pm

re: #49 MsJ

Many of them might do what they did in 2012 which was sit out the election.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:25:04pm

Cheeto Jesus.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:25:10pm

re: #54 majii

Or vote Gary Johnson. Wouldn’t it be quite a thing if he came in second to Hillary with Trump a distant third.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:25:23pm

re: #54 majii

Many of them might do what they did in 2012 which was sit out the election.

Do you think they’ll sit out state and local, too?

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Lidane  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:26:13pm

re: #50 Interesting Times

I wondered about that as well - does the nomination default to cruz in that event?

Cruz would be the most likely replacement given that he was second overall in the primaries, but he’d still have to be nominated.

Replacing Trump at the convention would be an utter shitshow. Total chaos.

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majii  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:26:24pm

re: #57 MsJ

Probably not, but I could see some of them not voting in the presidential category.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:26:30pm

re: #52 MsJ

What…a You Don’t Appreciate or Deserve Me thing?

He’ll make his own political party, with blackjack and hookers.

It will be the best, classiest party ever.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:27:46pm

re: #56 GlutenFreeJesus

Or vote Gary Johnson. Wouldn’t it be quite a thing if he came in second to Hillary with Trump a distant third.

Whatever Trump does will be to save face. I don’t think he could handle the kind of loss he has to know (bravado aside) he’s facing. His ego simply won’t allow it.

What he’s going to do…who knows. He’s crazy (in a clinical sense) which is why I think he’s so unpredictable. He’s not all there.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:28:01pm

re: #52 MsJ

What…a You Don’t Appreciate or Deserve Me thing?

He can’t looooooooooooooose.

Don’t think his ego could handle it.

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Great White Snark  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:29:57pm

Might HRC win effectively by default? Now that would be delicious revenge.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:32:13pm

re: #63 Great White Snark

Might HRC win effectively by default? Now that would be delicious revenge.

I really want her to get her “mandate” We need to break this 51/49 thing. We need functioning government. The GOP needs to be trounced.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:34:33pm

re: #61 MsJ

Oh yes.

He’ll act like he’s in control until the very minute he claims that everybody has conspired to make him fail.

I still keep wondering if there’s some kind of kayfabe involved. Like Trump winds up the crowd, then hands off to some more conventional candidate.Trump’s performance of “populist politician” is so over the top it’s like if Mussolini if Il Duce had escaped Italy and joined a pro wrestling circuit. I mean, the dude is so committed playing the heel that I can’t help but wonder when a face is going to turn up with a folding chair.

It will be very interesting if he burns out at Cleveland or gets a Red Wedding or something, but the damage is done. He’s pulled stuff into mainstream politics that the rest of us are going to have to deal with for decades. The GOP can shun the man, but he’s made the cokeheads of the base into crackheads.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:35:42pm

re: #64 MsJ

I really want her to get her “mandate” We need to break this 51/49 thing. We need functioning government. The GOP needs to be trounced.

Worse yet, this 60/40 thing—where the 40 were elected by about 10% of the population.

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teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:35:47pm

Slide a chair lift cable SpeedRiding

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:42:45pm

It actually occurs to me that the other WWE-like scenario would be Trump continuing to be such a shitheel that when the GOP gives him the equivalent of a folding chair ambush, they look good by comparison.

(Also, I may be channeling a dead flim-flam man from like 1910 or so, because I seem eerily comfortable with the vernacular of traveling shows and seedy roadside attractions. It’s not just a writing on the board thing, anymore. Nothing stops a dinner conversation like dropping the phrase “cooch tent” into an extending metaphor.)

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Scout  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:46:01pm

The Republican convention is still a little more than a month away — an eternity in this campaign cycle.

All bets are off.

The pigs are out of the tunnel (to quote Hunter S. Thompson).

I don’t think we can take anything at all off the table vis-a-vis Trump. He may stick with it, he may drop out, he may be forced out.

Any way you slice it, people all over this planet will be affected by this stumpy-fingered vulgarian.

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electrotek  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:50:49pm

So Trump is going to be holding a rally in S. Dallas tomorrow, should I go for the lulz?

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whitebeach  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:51:12pm

All right, I probably shouldn’t mention this possibility, but I read too many international suspense novels, and a scenario suggests itself. Somewhere in a private room in DC a group of shadowy power brokers huddle over eighteen-year-old single malts. Someone eventually says something like, “Will no one rid us of this turbulent assclown?” Silent glances pass around the table until the leader says quietly: “We blame it on her of course.”

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Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:55:11pm

re: #70 electrotek

So Trump is going to be holding a rally in S. Dallas tomorrow, should I go for the lulz?

Kinda dangerous. The trumpers are pointing out people in the audience who are not cheering enough.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:56:15pm

Right now, Bloomberg has Johnson at 9% of the vote. After the bloodbath I expect to see in Cleveland I believe there is a very real possibility of a GOP split with anti-Trumpettes jumping to Johnson. We could possibly see a rerun of the 1912 scenario when Trump runs third. Johnson may actually carry some Western states such as Utah, Idaho, Montana and Wyoming. Trump may just wind up with West Virginia, and a couple Southern states.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:57:03pm

re: #72 Stanley Sea

Kinda dangerous. The trumpers are pointing out people in the audience who are not cheering enough.

“HE IS NOT OF THE BODY!!”

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electrotek  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:58:05pm

re: #72 Stanley Sea

Kinda dangerous. The trumpers are pointing out people in the audience who are not cheering enough.

I’ll just drive by. Parking’s gonna be a bitch anyways, knowing the venue where it’s being held at.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2016 • 9:58:18pm

re: #72 Stanley Sea

Kinda dangerous. The trumpers are pointing out people in the audience who are not cheering enough.

As curious as I might be, it’s unsafe. Trumpeters are nuts - and violent. Protestors don’t see curiosity or LULZ, they see traitors and assholes.

And that show of force today in Atlanta? Wow. That was right out of The Hunger Games.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:01:09pm

re: #75 electrotek

I’ll just drive by. Parking’s gonna be a bitch anyways, knowing the venue where it’s being held at.

Ha! Found this:

“You are NOT of the body!”

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Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:01:43pm

Just got back from Cheyenne after going out to dinner with our group over in Wyoming. What did I miss since the last two threads? Need a summary in one comment or less. /s

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:04:04pm

re: #78 Anymouse

The filibuster is now in its 14th Hour.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:04:14pm

re: #75 electrotek

I’ll just drive by. Parking’s gonna be a bitch anyways, knowing the venue where it’s being held at.

I think it only holds 3K?

Report back!

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teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:05:47pm

re: #78 Anymouse

Just got back from Cheyenne after going out to dinner with our group over in Wyoming. What did I miss since the last two threads? Need a summary in one comment or less. /s

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:06:25pm
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electrotek  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:08:29pm

re: #80 Stanley Sea

I think it only holds 3K?

Report back!

Yep! He had a rally at the American Airlines Center which has a much larger capacity. I guess the downgrade means something?

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:10:26pm

That filibuster needs to go 49 hours

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:11:50pm

re: #84 SoundGuy 2016

That filibuster needs to go 49 hours

It needs to keep going to the point that no national or local news people can ignore it.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:14:41pm

I think it’s great. It’s time. Now is the time.

The GOP candidate is a crank that Hillary can crush. GOP is weak all around. The House can be won.

If they get in they need to push. Hard.

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Lidane  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:16:21pm

Please proceed:

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retired cynic  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:17:21pm

re: #87 Lidane

Please proceed:

[Embedded content]

Oh, goodie!

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Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:18:35pm

re: #79 Ziggy_TARDIS

The filibuster is now in its 14th Hour.

Wow! We just had a discussion over dinner with the resident Trump supporter and me (the now-former Sanders supporter). Most of the people at the table were conservatives (being Wyoming and all).

As I dragged in facts and quotes about Mr. Trump, and the resident Trump supporter was visibly distressed (damn Hillary is a traitor, etc.), one of those present said, “Were you on your high school debate team? (Yes) Well, you can’t really argue facts with him because they have a liberal bias.” LOLOL

In the meantime, my wife was trying to knock down his arguments that “global warming is a liberal hoax” and “liberal media bias” and you name it.

He also wasn’t impressed much by arguing about Mr. Trump’s appeal to fascist tendencies.

Made for good dinner conversation. (We haven’t had a good political discussion in a while.)

We all still left friends, so I guess that was okay.

On the other hand, I am not sure the Raddisson Hotel wants us back …

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:20:32pm

re: #72 Stanley Sea

Kinda dangerous. The trumpers are pointing out people in the audience who are not cheering enough.

When you go, point out someone early, preferably a Trump supporter, and tell security you think they’re going to protest.

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Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:22:58pm

re: #90 Belafon

When you go, point out someone early, preferably a Trump supporter, and tell security you think they’re going to protest.

“If he doesn’t say something, then say something?”

It is like the Nuremberg rally, or GW Bush’s “if your not with us you’re against us” on steroids.

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:24:13pm

re: #73 Joe Bacon

Right now, Bloomberg has Johnson at 9% of the vote. After the bloodbath I expect to see in Cleveland I believe there is a very real possibility of a GOP split with anti-Trumpettes jumping to Johnson. We could possibly see a rerun of the 1912 scenario when Trump runs third. Johnson may actually carry some Western states such as Utah, Idaho, Montana and Wyoming. Trump may just wind up with West Virginia, and a couple Southern states.

Or they split votes in states enough that Clinton wins them.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:26:19pm

re: #87 Lidane

Please proceed:

[Embedded content]

So if they nominate him, and he doesn’t show up to accept the nomination, then what?

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:26:45pm

re: #90 Belafon

When you go, point out someone early, preferably a Trump supporter, and tell security you think they’re going to protest.

Look! Liberals!
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Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:29:37pm

re: #87 Lidane

Please proceed:

[Embedded content]

That Politico article mentioned a list of 20 big donors trump agreed to call for the RNC, he called 3 then quit.

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Shimshon  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:30:04pm

re: #35 Lidane

GOP strategist Rick Wilson is on a tear against Trump tonight on Twitter. It’s pretty fun. He’s got a good rant going. Here’s the beginning:

They’re only pissed he’s saying out loud what the right wing pundits like Coulter, Limbaugh and others have been saying and what Republican politicians have been using dog whistles on. They made their bed now they get to lay in it.

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Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:34:38pm

re: #92 Belafon

Or they split votes in states enough that Clinton wins them.

Every forty years or so we see either a realignment of party positions, or the death of a party followed by the rise of a new one. Third parties really haven’t amounted to much in 240 years of American politics, simply from the design of our governmental systems.

It is my firm opinion that if Gov. Johnson and Gov. Weld, both highly respected governors in their states (Gov. Weld won reëlection in Massachusetts by the biggest landslide since the colony was formed, losing less than ten districts statewide), and the Libertarian Party keeps its wingnuts under control, they could drive the stake through the GOP’s heart and we will have a new party shift.

I am not big on the LP’s economic positions, but their social positions are much closer to the Democrats. There is no bathroom panic or gay marriage panic or anti-abortion panic going on in the Libertarian Party. The shift in focus if they became the second major party would be to foreign affairs, economics, and the scope and purpose of government, with the social derp finally left out.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:48:13pm

So this…..

Japanese Donald Trump Commercialトランプ２０１６

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Sherlock Hound  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:48:51pm

re: #97 Anymouse

It is my firm opinion that if Gov. Johnson and Gov. Weld, both highly respected governors in their states (Gov. Weld won reëlection in Massachusetts by the biggest landslide since the colony was formed, losing less than ten districts statewide), and the Libertarian Party keeps its wingnuts under control, they could drive the stake through the GOP’s heart and we will have a new party shift.

Emphasis on wingnuts. The LP’s gonna have to grow up. They may even have to abandon the Randians and the Rothbards. I’m certain of it.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:49:34pm

re: #97 Anymouse

Every forty years or so we see either a realignment of party positions, or the death of a party followed by the rise of a new one. Third parties really haven’t amounted to much in 240 years of American politics, simply from the design of our governmental systems.

It is my firm opinion that if Gov. Johnson and Gov. Weld, both highly respected governors in their states (Gov. Weld won reëlection in Massachusetts by the biggest landslide since the colony was formed, losing less than ten districts statewide), and the Libertarian Party keeps its wingnuts under control, they could drive the stake through the GOP’s heart and we will have a new party shift.

I am not big on the LP’s economic positions, but their social positions are much closer to the Democrats. There is no bathroom panic or gay marriage panic or anti-abortion panic going on in the Libertarian Party. The shift in focus if they became the second major party would be to foreign affairs, economics, and the scope and purpose of government, with the social derp finally left out.

Libertarians are actually fairly big in favor of allowing discrimination on the basis of race, religion and sexual orientation, they just tend to tolerate it under the rubric of “State’s rights” and individual association. I will never support them, their opposition to Article 2 of the Civil Rights Act, and their resulting ability to condone bigotry and discrimination in public accommodations is an absolute deal breaker.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:52:13pm

Rage Furby is hanging out in his old neighborhood* again, I think.

#ShootBack Gay Gadsden Flags Fly in West Hollywood

* Back when he had a Twitter account, Chuck tweeted he knew all about gays because he used to live in West Hollywood.

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William Lewis  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:54:55pm

re: #97 Anymouse

. The shift in focus if they became the second major party would be to foreign affairs, economics, and the scope and purpose of government, with the social derp finally left out.

Arguably this could be more dangerous for the nation. The utter reliance on fact free economic dogma by most of the libertarian anarchists I’ve known would crash things badly if they ever gained full control. Imagine Reagan’s voodoo economics with nothing holding it back and the Gospel of Ayn at its lead…

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Kragar  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:55:06pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:56:42pm

Why I cannot support LP candidates: The most famous libertarian in the United States is Ron Paul.

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Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:56:45pm

re: #99 Sherlock Hound

Emphasis on wingnuts. The LP’s gonna have to grow up. They may even have to abandon the Randians and the Rothbards. I’m certain of it.

Or at least the dude dancing on stage in a thong running for party chair.

My wife the former Libertarian Party campaign treasurer left the party and joined the Democrats because the silliness became too much.

At the last nominating convention, when Johnson and Weld were forwarded and Gov. Johnson pointed out that this was a real opportunity to get the Libertarian Party on a national debate stage with the two major parties (presuming they break the polling barrier and they are close), that would give them the opportunity to get their message out.

A whole lot of people at the party convention opposed that, because they like being a fringe party.

In the end, they went for the rational choices (and tossed the guy in the thong out of the convention).

As easily as Secretary Clinton could dispatch Mr. Trump in a debate, Gov. Johnson ain’t no slouch either (he won over the Libertarians, which is quite a feat in itself). Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Johnson tag teaming Mr. Trump (Clinton on social issues and Johnson on economic ones, with both on foreign policy) would likely cause a programming fault in Mr. Trump (just stay out of his blast radius if he goes on self-destruct).

I don’t think the LP is a threat this time around, and they would likely pull Republican voters (maybe a few Democrats, but not many). However, Governor Johnson despises Donald Trump. He is on the same page with Democrats here, that Mr. Trump is a fascist and the GOP willingly nominated him knowing that. I think for this purpose he would be an excellent ally on that debate stage, even if the Democrats and Libertarians have different views on governance and foreign policy.

I would like substantial debates on foreign policy or the role of government and get away from the social derp for good; relegate the moral panic to the fringe of our political system and get to substantive policy debates.

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Lidane  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:58:40pm

re: #97 Anymouse

If the libertarian party wasn’t infested with Mises Institute dumbfuckery, Confederate apologists, InfoWars conspiracy theorists and an economic policy that amounts to Fuck The Poor on steroids I’d be sympathetic to them.

Too many nutcases for my tastes.

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Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 10:59:25pm

re: #100 goddamnedfrank

Libertarians are actually fairly big in favor of allowing discrimination on the basis of race, religion and sexual orientation, they just tend to tolerate it under the rubric of “State’s rights” and individual association. I will never support them, their opposition to Article 2 of the Civil Rights Act, and their resulting ability to condone bigotry and discrimination in public accommodations is an absolute deal breaker.

Well, some do and some don’t. I am unsure of the present Libertarian Party platform, though I could look it up. They are generally big on devolving power or opposing government regulation, which I find in our society would lead to bigotry or abuse; therefore I oppose them.

My wife was never on board with the LP message of a side eye at the Civil Rights Act or public accommodation laws (she was an LP member and a member of the IWW at the same time, for a real load of cognitive dissonance - that said, the LP does not oppose unions per se).

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:00:32pm

Well, the filibuster accomplished something.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:02:09pm

re: #108 goddamnedfrank

Chris Murphy for next Majority Leader!!

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Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:04:41pm

re: #108 goddamnedfrank

Well, the filibuster accomplished something.

We will have a vote on closing the purchase loophole and universal background checks.

Unfortunately, that hasn’t accomplished much:

a) When?
b) The GOP holds the majority of the House and Senate. Vote dead on arrival, if bill not shuffled off to die in the Senate Sub-Committee on Commas and Apostrophes.

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Sherlock Hound  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:18:37pm

David Brin’s thoughts on the LP: davidbrin.blogspot.com

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William Lewis  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:20:05pm

re: #107 Anymouse

Another Wobbly! Nothing like my Liberal Gun Club patch held on my blaze orange ball cap by my crossed rifles and red IWW button to cause cognitive dissonance in the local right wingers.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:26:46pm

OT, but I’m wasting time instead of doing the work I should do and I found this Honest Trailer really funny.

Honest Trailers - Gravity

Mostly because I played pinball a lot back in the day.

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Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:31:51pm

re: #112 William Lewis

Another Wobbly! Nothing like my Liberal Gun Club patch held on my blaze orange ball cap by my crossed rifles and red IWW button to cause cognitive dissonance in the local right wingers.

I have a Liberal Gun Club sticker on my car.

I took my car to the co-op last year to have a tire looked at. Aside from all the mechanics wanting to “test drive” my Smart (because none of them had ever driven one except one mechanic that used to work at the Smart dealer in Denver), I got a bunch of questions about the sticker.

“Liberals own guns? I thought you wanted to take them all.” &c.

I pointed out “Liberals don’t want your guns, we have our own.” That got a bunch of chuckles.

Personally, I think guns ought to be titled like houses or cars. Heck, a lot of guns are as expensive as cars anyway. (My shotgun wasn’t particularly expensive.)

The gun shop owner here in town asked me in the past why I have a shotgun for home defence. (I am not a hunter, and for the defence part, we live sixteen miles from the sheriff’s department, and he only has one car. If he is on the other side of the county it could be an hour before he got here.)

I pointed out that if I ever needed it (I have used it once in a defensive posture, to run off a burglar from the church across the street in the middle of the night, God works through atheist liberals), I don’t want to miss. I would rather pick pellets out of my walls. A shotgun is about as sporting as a water hose, and at night in the dark half asleep I don’t have to worry too much about aim.

He laughed at the water hose analogy, and quit trying to sell me guns. (He is in business for that and next door to my house.)

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Shimshon  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:32:15pm

re: #104 teleskiguy

Why I cannot support LP candidates: The most famous libertarian in the United States is Ron Paul.

American libertarianism is all about states rights that goes back to slavery. Libertarians want states to do anything they want and the Federal government cannot interfere. Libertarianism before America was popular with the Lords in Feudal England.

Gary Johnson says he is for legalizing drugs and gay marriage, but I don’t see them supporting a Federal law for either that would force states to accept. Libertarianism is the ultimate stereotypical white guy party, they don’t understand what life is like beyond their little bubble.

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Anymouse  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:37:59pm

re: #115 Shimshon

American libertarianism is all about states rights that goes back to slavery. Libertarians want states to do anything they want and the Federal government cannot interfere. Gary Johnson says he is for legalizing drugs and gay marriage, but I don’t see them supporting a Federal law for either that would force states to accept. Libertarianism is the ultimate stereotypical white guy party, they don’t understand what life is like beyond their little bubble.

I’ve had arguments with my wife before about “ultimate freedom” and such. My go-to argument is Somalia, which the CATO Institute argued would become a libertarian utopia after Said Barre was overthrown and a libertarian-style government was set up.

That didn’t work too well.

Libertarianism is like a lot of political theories; when the rubber hits the road it has real problems. Those rugged Galt’s Gulch individuals work great until a group with bigger or more guns comes along. That’s what happened to Somalia.

In Chile, libertarianism (of a sort) was instituted under Pinochet, and it destroyed the economy.

Turns out capitalism only works with a set of rules everyone plays by. Laissez faire capitalism results in monopolies, just like the real estate game. The only way to get rid of the monopoly is government that serves the interests of the people, because corporations sure won’t.

The idea that everyone is a contractual equal sort of falls apart if it’s you with a few thousand dollars versus Apple Computer or Exxon-Mobil.

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teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2016 • 11:56:27pm

Great. A right-wing gal I see at Umphreys shows is telling me on Twitter that if The Donald™ isn’t elected we’re going to be under Sharia Law and public beheadings will come back etc. etc.

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Kragar  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:02:47am

re: #117 teleskiguy

J. Jonah Jameson Laughing

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Anymouse  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:04:50am

re: #117 teleskiguy

Great. A right-wing gal I see at Umphreys shows is telling me on Twitter that if The Donald™ isn’t elected we’re going to be under Sharia Law and public beheadings will come back etc. etc.

Yeah, we might get that if Ted Cruz is put in place instead of Trump. With Trump all the GOP would get is a massive defeat. With Cruz (endorsed and interviewed on wingnut pastor Kevin Swanson’s show), we would get a theocracy, just as she fears.

Swanson wants gays stoned and liberals killed.

Last I heard, the Methodist Church (to which Mrs. Clinton belongs) is not banging the drum for beheadings.

On the other hand, conservatives promised us that Obama would run up FEMA reëducation camps for conservatives. Damn, Mr. President it’s been seven years! Where’s our gun confiscations (oh right, under Obama rights were expanded to include carrying in National Parks). Where’s our FEMA camps? (Oh right, Obama got rid of Bush’s useless tool in charge and put someone in place that actually knows how to run an emergency management agency). Where are all the UN Blue Helmets forcing everyone into hobbit homes under Agenda 21? (Oh right, Agenda 21 is a UN plan for sustainable development, not taking people’s property.)

Ask her who would do these beheadings? Ask her to compare the number of beheadings last year to the number of gun deaths last year and get back with you.

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teleskiguy  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:06:51am

re: #117 teleskiguy

And she’s a total Islamophobe. Said she got locked in a cage once by Muslims, and that some ambassador to Saudi Arabia smacked her when she was 7.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:09:22am

re: #117 teleskiguy

Great. A right-wing gal I see at Umphreys shows is telling me on Twitter that if The Donald™ isn’t elected we’re going to be under Sharia Law and public beheadings will come back etc. etc.

Come on! We’ve had a Muslim president for seven effin’ years, and even he’s been unable to make any of that happen. What makes her think HRC can?
//

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Kragar  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:09:53am

re: #120 teleskiguy

Dr. Evil “Riiiiight”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:10:52am

Jake Shimabukuro plays ukulele really, really well.

Check this out:

Jake Shimabukuro - “Bohemian Rhapsody” - TED (2010) - ukelele cover

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Anymouse  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:11:41am

re: #120 teleskiguy

And she’s a total Islamophobe. Said she got locked in a cage once bu Muslims, and that that some ambassador to Saudi Arabia smacked her when she was 7.

An Alex Jones acolyte?

I served on the USS America (CV-66) with a Syrian refugee to the US from the Golan Heights area who’s family fled to the US after the 1967 Arab-Israeli War. We worked together on the same equipment for an entire work-up period and cruise.

Absolutely loyal to the USA, uninterested in beheading anyone.

As a matter of fact, every Muslim I have met is mostly scared of wingnuts with guns.

On the other hand, Christians like Robert Dear and Eric Rudolph scare me.

Kevin Swanson and Gordon Kligenschmidtt scare me (they both want atheists killed). George HW Bush when I was in the Navy scared me (saying atheists could not be patriotic nor should be citizens).

The thing in common with all those guys, both the Christian theocrats and Muslim extremists: They are conservatives.

Conservatism scares me far more than some theoretical chance of being beheaded being smaller than being struck by lightning in the same place twenty times in a row.

Is she scared of air crashes as a passenger too? (Commercial air travel is the safest method of travel).

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Kragar  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:14:29am

re: #124 Anymouse

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teleskiguy  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:14:56am

re: #122 Kragar

You seeing this shit?!? I’m not posting the tweets here because (for now) we’re friends IRL. Still though, pretty freaking unbelievable. I’ve known her for four years and this is the first I’ve heard of any of this. I knew she lived in Tunisia and Morocco as a child, but that’s it. *NOW* she’s saying the [bigoted word]s were horrible to her and she’s gonna vote for The Donald™ dammit!

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Nyet  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:21:35am

re: #10 electrotek

How the fuck do I refute the stupid right-wing talking point about why if Omar Mateen doesn’t represent all Muslims then why do all gun owners have to be generalized?

Well, you shouldn’t generalize all gun owners in the first place.

But the situation with gun control should be like the situation with the airport security checks. Everyone should go through, that doesn’t mean that we all are terrierists.

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Anymouse  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:21:49am

re: #126 teleskiguy

You seeing this shit?!? I’m not posting the tweets here because (for now) we’re friends IRL. Still though, pretty freaking unbelievable. I’ve known her for four years and this is the first I’ve heard of any of this. I knew she lived in Tunisia and Morocco as a child, but that’s it. *NOW* she’s saying the [bigoted word]s were horrible to her and she’s gonna vote for The Donald™ dammit!

[Embedded content]

In seventeen years in the military I never faced a gun once. I never faced an axe or sword for a beheading either.

Donald the fascist talking yam would have no problem putting people up against a wall with a firing squad. If she lived in Tunisia and Morocco (I have been to both nations) she should be aware that a strong military presence in the civilian population is the cause of abuse by the government. That is why Tunisia used to be abusive and Morocco still is to a degree.

I have faced a gun in civilian life.

I once had a roommate who I stumbled upon (in the basement after hearing a loud noise there), who had a .22 rifle pointed under his throat. He was mulling suicide.

When I came upon him, he swung the rifle around and pointed it at my chest; for the next forty-five minutes I spent a lot of wind trying to talk him down from the mountain.

He eventually broke down, and handed over the rifle. I ejected the cartridges and called an ambulance.

Never faced a beheading though.

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Kragar  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:23:00am

re: #126 teleskiguy

I honestly don’t know how they can expect anyone to take their ridiculous nonsense seriously.

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Kragar  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:27:09am

Its like they just can’t help themselves, they feel compelled to make these ridiculous, over the top statements, and when they get called on on them, they freak.

“This is how you drive Liberal insane…”
“You realize we’re laughing at you, right?”
“FUCKING LIBTARD!”

or

“I totally punched a libtard and the pussy took it.”
“No, you really didn’t.”
“FUCK YOU! YOU WEREN’T THERE!”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:29:49am

re: #128 Anymouse

In seventeen years in the military I never faced a gun once. I never faced an axe or sword for a beheading either.

Donald the fascist talking yam would have no problem putting people up against a wall with a firing squad. If she lived in Tunisia and Morocco (I have been to both nations) she should be aware that a strong military presence in the civilian population is the cause of abuse by the government. That is why Tunisia used to be abusive and Morocco still is to a degree.

I have faced a gun in civilian life.

I once had a roommate who I stumbled upon (in the basement after hearing a loud noise there), who had a .22 rifle pointed under his throat. He was mulling suicide.

When I came upon him, he swung the rifle around and pointed it at my chest; for the next forty-five minutes I spent a lot of wind trying to talk him down from the mountain.

He eventually broke down, and handed over the rifle. I ejected the cartridges and called an ambulance.

Never faced a beheading though.

I spent an entire month traveling around Malaysia, a Muslim country, seeing neither guns nor beheadings. Teleskiguy’s wackadoodle acquaintance has a fictional version of Muslims/Islam planted in her head.

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teleskiguy  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:29:59am

I unfollowed my Islamophobe friend (not sure, actually, if we’re friends anymore) though she’s not blocked. That retarded conversation we had on Twitter tonight was revealing and sad.

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Anymouse  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:30:04am

re: #130 Kragar

Its like they just can’t help themselves, they feel compelled to make these ridiculous, over the top statements, and when they get called on on them, they freak.

“This is how you drive Liberal insane…”
“You realize we’re laughing at you, right?”
“FUCKING LIBTARD!”

or

“I totally punched a libtard and the pussy took it.”
“No, you really didn’t.”
“FUCK YOU! YOU WEREN’T THERE!”

“Senator so-and-so said thus-and such.”
(Produce video of senator saying something different.)
“That’s totally taken out of context!”

Mass murder occurs.
“Crisis actors! Liberal spin! They WANT to take our GUNZ!!!112!!1uno!1!!”11”“!

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Sir_Checkmate  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:32:18am

re: #116 Anymouse

Libertarianism is like a lot of political theories; when the rubber hits the road it has real problems. Those rugged Galt’s Gulch individuals work great until a group with bigger or more guns comes along.
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During the Argentinian collapse, people who tried to run off and form their own Galt’s Gulch style compounds were usually found dead or with the compound empty; order was first restored in the cities due to collective effort and governmental action.

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Anymouse  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:33:18am

re: #132 teleskiguy

I unfollowed my Islamophobe friend (not sure, actually, if we’re friends anymore) though she’s not blocked. That retarded conversation we had on Twitter tonight was revealing and sad.

Well, hopefully she will not be gripped by fear forever, and perhaps she did have some sort of experience in Tunisia or Morocco that was a horrible personal evil. I was not there; I cannot say.

It sounds more like Alex Jones stuff, though. Similar to “The Brainwashing of My Dad,” a person susceptible to propaganda can be led to believe almost anything if they don’t critically think about it (citizens of Nazi Germany, the Milgram Experiment, &c)

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Kragar  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:35:46am

Got a co-worker, seems like a nice enough guy, until politics get mentioned.

Point out that Trump is really popular with White supremacists.
“You know, Democrats founded the KKK.”

Point out Trump calls for non-interventionist foreign policy AND for going into Syria to set up “safe zones”
“You know 80% of Syrian refugees are fighting age males.”

Bring up the actual refugee stats, showing 51% are women and children, with only 20% overall being males between 18-50.
“Those stats are from the UN? Like you can trust those numbers.”

He also encouraged us to see Michael Bay’s Benghazi fantasy, “You’ll learn a lot watching it.”

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Teukka  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:35:52am

re: #131 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I spent an entire month traveling around Malaysia, a Muslim country, seeing neither guns nor beheadings. Teleskiguy’s wackadoodle acquaintance has a fictional version of Muslims/Islam planted in her head.

A fictional version with built-in excuses to any evidence showing it is fictional. Like, last night, I had a heated chat exchange with a guy who called me a liar despite me presenting the source document for the claim of 55 “muslim no-go zones” in Sweden (which, BTW, does not mention muslims once), claimed it was propaganda.

I sometimes toy with the idea of treating them outright like I would treat someone with a psychosis, but still have to figure out how to do it in a way which makes them question themselves enough to register.

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Anymouse  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:36:44am

re: #134 Sir_Checkmate

During the Argentinian collapse, people who tried to run off and form their own Galt’s Gulch style compounds were usually found dead or with the compound empty; order was first restored in the cities due to collective effort and governmental action.

The fellow who set up such a place in Chile with government approval took in millions of dollars of investment to create a community of like minded individuals. Turned out to be a giant scam and fraud.

All of a sudden the libertarians who invested in the place wanted the Chilean government to go in and bust the guy and get their money back (so far, Chile has been dragging its feet, pointing out they didn’t want big government running their business).

Libertarianism is a religion (I use that line frequently with my wife). Ayn Rand’s “The Fountainhead” and “Atlas Shrgged” are works of fiction. There is no reason to believe that a society based on Ms. Rand’s fictional works would work any better than those of Marion Zimmer Bradley’s “Darkover” series.

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Anymouse  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:38:24am

re: #137 Teukka

A fictional version with built-in excuses to any evidence showing it is fictional. Like, last night, I had a heated chat exchange with a guy who called me a liar despite me presenting the source document for the claim of 55 “muslim no-go zones” in Sweden (which, BTW, does not mention muslims once), claimed it was propaganda.

I sometimes toy with the idea of treating them outright like I would treat someone with a psychosis, but still have to figure out how to do it in a way which makes them question themselves enough to register.

“If you refuse to accept facts, I can only assume you are delusional. When you are interested in reality, we can talk; until then please don’t contact me further. I am not interested in mollycoddling delusional people.”

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Sir_Checkmate  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:39:47am

re: #138 Anymouse

Libertarianism is a religion (I use that line frequently with my wife). Ayn Rand’s “The Fountainhead” and “Atlas Shrgged” are works of fiction. There is no reason to believe that a society based on Ms. Rand’s fictional works would work any better than those of Marion Zimmer Bradley’s “Darkover” series.

Exactly, I’m with you 100%. I can’t cite the quote very well off the top of my head, sadly, but there’s a quote roughly along the lines of that. Heavily paraphrased, again, off the top of my head, it’s something like this: “There were two books I read growing up as a child: Atlas Shrugged and The Lord of the Rings. One of them is a fantasy novel that grown adults stick to and worship, causing childish minds to grow up stunted and confused about how the world works. The other one features orcs.”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:40:31am

re: #137 Teukka

A fictional version with built-in excuses to any evidence showing it is fictional. Like, last night, I had a heated chat exchange with a guy who called me a liar despite me presenting the source document for the claim of 55 “muslim no-go zones” in Sweden (which, BTW, does not mention muslims once), claimed it was propaganda.

I sometimes toy with the idea of treating them outright like I would treat someone with a psychosis, but still have to figure out how to do it in a way which makes them question themselves enough to register.

Someone who is psychotic doesn’t realize they are psychotic, so reasoning with them is usually fruitless. It’s best to kind of play along and try to get them to see the contradictions in their own logic, such as it is, and maybe get them to calm down.

Or, just nod, smile and walk away.

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Kragar  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:40:34am
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Sir_Checkmate  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:41:39am

re: #142 Kragar

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Oh gods, giving me nightmares of when I decided to pick up the Imperial Guards as my faction of choice for Warhammer 40K. *shudder*

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Teukka  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:41:51am

re: #141 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Someone who is psychotic doesn’t realize they are psychotic, so reasoning with them is usually fruitless. It’s best to kind of play along and try to get them to see the contradictions in their own logic, such as it is, and maybe get them to calm down.

Or, just nod, smile and walk away.

It’s exactly that I’m trying to figure out, how to make them trip on the inconsistencies in their own (or more like the conspiracy theory) logic, and repeatedly.

Walking away immediately is not my style.

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Anymouse  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:42:25am

re: #140 Sir_Checkmate

Exactly, I’m with you 100%. I can’t cite the quote very well off the top of my head, sadly, but there’s a quote roughly along the lines of that. Heavily paraphrased, again, off the top of my head, it’s something like this: “There were two books I read growing up as a child: Atlas Shrugged and The Lord of the Rings. One of them is a fantasy novel that grown adults stick to and worship, causing childish minds to grow up stunted and confused about how the world works. The other one features orcs.”

Writer John Rogers: “There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.”

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Sir_Checkmate  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:43:13am

re: #145 Anymouse

Writer John Rogers: “There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.”

There you are, thanks~!

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Kragar  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:43:31am

re: #143 Sir_Checkmate

The IG motto: “What you call your complete army, we call one troops slot.”

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Sir_Checkmate  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:45:00am

re: #147 Kragar

The IG motto: “What you call your complete army, we call one troops slot.”

I always preferred “Go ahead, kill 100 of my guys. There’s only an entire table left.”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:48:52am

re: #144 Teukka

It’s exactly that I’m trying to figure out, how to make them trip on the inconsistencies in their own (or more like the conspiracy theory) logic, and repeatedly.

Walking away immediately is not my style.

People who believe in CTs are pre-disposed (I think) to accept convoluted, arcane explanations for things that have much simpler explanations grounded in reality, because (I think) they are borderline paranoid delusional, if not all the way, or have some real personal insecurities.

Example CT:
The Moon landings were faked. All the photography occurred on the Earth, in studios, despite the complete lack of suitable special effects then available in Hollywood or anywhere else. Hundreds of scientists, engineers and actor/astronauts managed to keep the entire put-up job a secret from the American public, and Soviet espionage was unable to crack the veil of secrecy.

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Anymouse  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:49:18am

re: #146 Sir_Checkmate

There you are, thanks~!

De nada.

As for our deluded friend on Twitter, perhaps asking her for evidence from reliable sources about these Muslim “no-go” zones in Sweden (like the Swedish government or the cities claimed to have these zones).

Now that London and Dearborn Michigan have Muslim mayors, do they have no-go zones? Ask for evidence (not conservaderp Websites like Fascist Republic). Credible sources.

Note The Economist (a respected UK conservative financial magazine) long ago debunked the idea that Birmingham England had such zones, and FOX News Channel was roundly mocked around the world for making such claims (thanks for humiliating the USA again in the world, FOX).

If she has evidence of such a claim (Sweden had Muslim no-go zones, which would be a surprise to my many European friends), she should be able to present something other than her opinion on the matter.

Has she been to Sweden? I have. Didn’t see any no-go zones.

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Kragar  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:50:35am

re: #148 Sir_Checkmate

Image: advice-guardsman-tells-it-like-it-is_o_4898939.jpg

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teleskiguy  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:51:00am

re: #136 Kragar

Does dude know about your online persona Kragar, fearless mocker of RWNJs?

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Teukka  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:52:09am

WTFITS!?
‘Shoot the gays’ initiative likely to be circulated

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Kragar  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:54:24am

re: #152 teleskiguy

Knowledge of my social media accounts? No.

Same treatment as any other RWNJ? Yup.

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Anymouse  Jun 16, 2016 • 12:56:34am

re: #149 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

People who believe in CTs are pre-disposed (I think) to accept convoluted, arcane explanations for things that have much simpler explanations grounded in reality, because (I think) they are borderline paranoid delusional, if not all the way, or have some real personal insecurities.

Example CT:
The Moon landings were faked. All the photography occurred on the Earth, in studios, despite the complete lack of suitable special effects then available in Hollywood or anywhere else. Hundreds of scientists, engineers and actor/astronauts managed to keep the entire put-up job a secret from the American public, and Soviet espionage was unable to crack the veil of secrecy.

And tens of thousands of people involved in such conspiracy theories would all work together to keep the CT secret, despite the lure of money and fame that would accrue if they presented a shred of evidence there was a conspiracy.

It’s sort of like the US government: Conservatives are convinced President Obama is leading some sort of conspiracy against the US Constitution or the American people, which would involve tens of thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of people to keep it going, and not a single one will crack. The loyalty to such a theory is astounding, to the point of unbelievablity. At the same time the government is allegedly so incompetent the President can’t tie his shoes in the morning. They both can’t be true at the same time (but they can both be wrong).

Likewise with 9/11 CT derp. The Bush Administration was supposedly such a crack conspiratorial team it could enlist the tens of thousands of people involved to pull off such a “false flag” attack, yet not a single one has succumbed to fame or money to come forward with damning evidence.

There have been real conspiracies in the past. Conspiracies only involve a handful of people. The more people involved, the more likely the conspiracy is exposed.

The idea there are Muslim no-go zones in Birmingham England, Dearborn Michigan, or anywhere in Sweden would have to involve such massive government coverups that they are incredulous.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

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Anymouse  Jun 16, 2016 • 1:00:21am

re: #153 Teukka

WTFITS!?
‘Shoot the gays’ initiative likely to be circulated

She has little choice, the petition was circulated by a wingnut lawyer and if the required signatures were gathered then it has to go on the ballot.

That said, it would be instantly unconstitutional. The lawyer in question is as crazy as Gordon Kligenschmidtt. The difference here is Mr. Klingenschmidtt funnelled his lies about why he was fired from the Navy into a career as a Colorado politician by finding enough wingnuts to vote for him. The lawyer in California is both wasting his time and money (good).

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 16, 2016 • 1:04:38am

re: #153 Teukka

WTFITS!?
‘Shoot the gays’ initiative likely to be circulated

That’s from last year.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2016 • 1:04:46am

re: #155 Anymouse

And tens of thousands of people involved in such conspiracy theories would all work together to keep the CT secret, despite the lure of money and fame that would accrue if they presented a shred of evidence there was a conspiracy.

It’s sort of like the US government: Conservatives are convinced President Obama is leading some sort of conspiracy against the US Constitution or the American people, which would involve tens of thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of people to keep it going, and not a single one will crack. The loyalty to such a theory is astounding, to the point of unbelievablity. At the same time the government is allegedly so incompetent the President can’t tie his shoes in the morning. They both can’t be true at the same time (but they can both be wrong).

Likewise with 9/11 CT derp. The Bush Administration was supposedly such a crack conspiratorial team it could enlist the tens of thousands of people involved to pull off such a “false flag” attack, yet not a single one has succumbed to fame or money to come forward with damning evidence.

There have been real conspiracies in the past. Conspiracies only involve a handful of people. The more people involved, the more likely the conspiracy is exposed.

The idea there are Muslim no-go zones in Birmingham England, Dearborn Michigan, or anywhere in Sweden would have to involve such massive government coverups that they are incredulous.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

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Teukka  Jun 16, 2016 • 1:06:24am

re: #157 klys (maker of Silmarils)

That’s from last year.

*looks at URL*
Yeah. Wonder why the Swedish newspaper ran the story today :/

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 16, 2016 • 1:09:06am

re: #159 Teukka

*looks at URL*
Yeah. Wonder why the Swedish newspaper ran the story today :/

Someone failed to notice the date, would be my guess. Or a few someones.

I remember because, well, local news here.

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Anymouse  Jun 16, 2016 • 1:11:01am

[post got fouled up somehow]

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Anymouse  Jun 16, 2016 • 1:14:55am

re: #161 Anymouse

Somehow the whole post got cut:

It should read:

re: #136 Kragar

Got a co-worker, seems like a nice enough guy, until politics get mentioned.

Point out that Trump is really popular with White supremacists.
“You know, Democrats founded the KKK.”

You know, the bigots all left the Democratic Party and became Republicans when the Civil Rights Act was signed. The Republicans specifically invited them in. Did your history lessons end at 1964?

Point out Trump calls for non-interventionist foreign policy AND for going into Syria to set up “safe zones”
“You know 80% of Syrian refugees are fighting age males.”

Bring up the actual refugee states, showing 51% are women and children, with only 20% overall being males between 18-50.
“Those stats are from the UN? Like you can trust those numbers.”

Syria is not made up of 80% males, and refugee status is determined not by whether you are male or female, but whether you are fleeing war.

Why not argue that women take up arms? Or do you have differing standards for women than men? Are you a misogynist and bigot?

He also encouraged us to see Michael Bay’s Benghazi fantasy, “You’ll learn a lot watching it.”

Yeah, the claims in that movie have been debunked, but as you know, facts have a liberal bias (and thus fantasy has a conservative bias).

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Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2016 • 1:29:11am

re: #153 Teukka

WTFITS!?
‘Shoot the gays’ initiative likely to be circulated

A California “Sodomite Suppression” Initiative (#15-0008) did not qualify for the November 8, 2016 ballot in California as an initiated state statute.[1] Judge Raymond Cadei of the Sacramento County Superior Court struck the proposed measure down as unconstitutional.[2]

ballotpedia.org

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teleskiguy  Jun 16, 2016 • 1:29:38am

re: #162 Anymouse

You know, the bigots all left the Democratic Party and became Republicans when the Civil Rights Act was signed. The Republicans specifically invited them in. Did your history lessons end at 1964?

Alouette (most here know her as The Vicious Babushka) wrote an excellent two part series about this very subject.

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Anymouse  Jun 16, 2016 • 1:30:02am

re: #163 Timothy Watson

ballotpedia.org

Thought that would happen, but not so quickly.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 16, 2016 • 1:35:34am

re: #116 Anymouse

Turns out capitalism only works with a set of rules everyone plays by. Laissez faire capitalism results in monopolies, just like the real estate game. The only way to get rid of the monopoly is government that serves the interests of the people, because corporations sure won’t.

The idea that everyone is a contractual equal sort of falls apart if it’s you with a few thousand dollars versus Apple Computer or Exxon-Mobil.

There is no way we can expect individuals and families with limited resources and incomes to be able to negotiate on a level playing field for terms of employment, insurance or financial services with multi-billion-dollar, international corporations.

Corporations that only exist because GOVERMENT has intervened and created legislation allowing limited liability for shareholders…

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Anymouse  Jun 16, 2016 • 1:42:05am

re: #164 teleskiguy

Alouette (most here know her as The Vicious Babushka) wrote an excellent two part series about this very subject.

Thanks for that. Though I know generally of the reasons for the party shift (and President Reagan’s shameless candidacy announcement in Philadelphia, Mississippi), Vicious Babushka put it all in one place.

As Senator Goldwater put it on the Senate floor in 1981:

I must make it clear that I don’t condemn these groups for what they believe. I happen to share many of the values emphasized by these organizations.
I’m frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in “A,” “B,” “C” and “D.” Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?

And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of “conservatism.” … This unrelenting obsession with a particular goal destroys the perspective of many decent people. They have become easy prey to manipulation and misjudgment.

Goldwater’s wife served on the board of Planned Parenthood in Phoenix. President Reagan signed an order banning open carry in California, and granted the largest “amnesty” in American history.

They would be RINOs today, if wingnuts read history books (they are filled with liberal bias though).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 16, 2016 • 1:55:13am

re: #167 Anymouse

Goldwater’s wife served on the board of Planned Parenthood in Phoenix. President Reagan signed an order banning open carry in California, and granted the largest “amnesty” in American history.

They would be RINOs today, if wingnuts read history books (they are filled with liberal bias though).

They do not refer to the Historical Reagan. They refer to the Rose-Colored-Memories-of-Morning-in-America Reagan.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2016 • 2:07:10am
Republican Gov. Larry Hogan, who has grown weary of being asked whether he would vote for Donald Trump, says he doesn’t plan to vote for his party’s presumptive presidential nominee.

[…]

Hogan has made no secret of his disdain for Trump, and has said he won’t attend next month’s Republican National Convention.

What a fucking weasel. Hogan had no problem terrifying citizens about Ebola and those evil Syrian refugees.

wtop.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 16, 2016 • 2:08:38am

re: #169 Timothy Watson

What a fucking weasel. Hogan had no problem terrifying citizens about Ebola and those evil Syrian refugees.

wtop.com

He has his own re-election to worry about. And that is the point at which the shitweasels will turn on their own.

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Anymouse  Jun 16, 2016 • 2:11:29am

G’night y’all. I had a long round-trip drive to Cheyenne and it is way past this toddler’s bedtime.

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BlackPearl  Jun 16, 2016 • 2:53:36am

re: #155 Anymouse

The idea there are Muslim no-go zones in Birmingham England, Dearborn Michigan, or anywhere in Sweden would have to involve such massive government coverups that they are incredulous.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

People can also interpret things weirdly. A few years ago, a friend told her landlady that she’d be meeting me in my Hamburg neighborhood, and the landlady panicked - “it’s full of THOSE people, and dangerous!” And by those people she meant Turkish people, of course. Which it’s not, really. It’s a working/middle-class neighborhood that’s yuppifying crazy fast. And I, a middle-aged white woman, have walked around it at all hours of the night, in varying states of intoxication, perfectly safely.*

But if she spoke to an American friend about my neighborhood, that friend might well think it’s a no-go zone. Which is hysterically funny, really.

*There are parts of Hamburg I would not necessarily walk alone at night in. Not because of the Turkish population, though they are more represented there, but because of the purported Russian gangsters. Which for all I know are another myth.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 16, 2016 • 3:10:54am

There are places in the UK that recognize Sharia court decisions on civil matters: family or property disputes, but only if such rulings are in keeping with UK law.

But when you say “Sharia” to your typical Fox News consumer, it means forced conversions, stonings, beheadings, polygamy and women in hijabs.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2016 • 3:13:03am

re: #172 BlackPearl

After the bombing in Brussels, a former American ambassador to Belgium was on WTOP (a newstalk station in Washington, D.C.) and was pointing out that the neighborhood where the bombers were from was safer than pretty much any neighborhood in D.C. or New York City despite assholes characterizing it as a “no-go zone”.

He even pointed out that he had given the graduation speech at a school in the neighborhood.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2016 • 3:53:05am

So, Facebook just reminded me that today is the birthday of a friend who died earlier this year.

That feels really weird.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 16, 2016 • 4:05:07am

re: #175 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

So, Facebook just reminded me that today is the birthday of a friend who died earlier this year.

That feels really weird.

There was an article about that in the BBC

At some point, there will be more dead Facebook users than living ones - and for those left behind, it is transforming how we experience the death of those around us.
facebook

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Decatur Deb  Jun 16, 2016 • 4:14:07am

re: #176 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There was an article about that in the BBC

At some point, there will be more dead Facebook users than living ones - and for those left behind, it is transforming how we experience the death of those around us.
facebook

Dead people are piling up in my speed-dialer.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 16, 2016 • 4:16:14am

re: #177 Decatur Deb

Dead people are piling up in my speed-dialer.

The Walking Thread

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Decatur Deb  Jun 16, 2016 • 4:21:37am

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Walking Thread

I leave voicemail, but they never call, never text.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 16, 2016 • 4:35:26am

OK. Never again will there be an award for Unconscious Irony—-

politico.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 16, 2016 • 4:38:12am

re: #180 Decatur Deb

OK. Never again will there be an award for Unconscious Irony—-

No irony here, these fellows are probably full-on Secessionists. Their first loyalty is to their home states, then to the Confederacy.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 16, 2016 • 4:40:42am

re: #181 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

No irony here, these fellows are probably full-on Secessionists…

That’s the dictionary definition of a turncoat. (Where I’m from, not where I’m at.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 16, 2016 • 4:43:13am

re: #182 Decatur Deb

That’s the dictionary definition of a turncoat. (Where I’m from, not where I’m at.)

I changed and clarified that designation to fit your comment.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2016 • 4:59:01am

re: #177 Decatur Deb

Dead people are piling up in my speed-dialer.

I tweet dead people.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 16, 2016 • 5:06:33am

LOL!!

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Dr. Matt  Jun 16, 2016 • 5:08:39am
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Teukka  Jun 16, 2016 • 5:11:17am

re: #163 Timothy Watson

ballotpedia.org

*phew* for this time.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 16, 2016 • 5:15:33am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2016 • 5:20:38am

re: #186 Dr. Matt

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No cans of soup, though

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jeffreyw  Jun 16, 2016 • 5:21:09am

Imgur
Good morning! Welcome to Homer’s World.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 16, 2016 • 5:24:35am

re: #190 jeffreyw

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Good morning! Welcome to Homer’s World.

Wyeth not?

(Excellent takeoff.)

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Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2016 • 5:30:36am

Ahhhhh, poor Gretchen Carlson, that’s what you get for using that book learning on Fox News:

Fox News host Gretchen Carlson on Wednesday doubled down on her support for a ban on assault weapons after receiving a flood of insults responding to her remarks about the issue on Tuesday.

“Yesterday I startled many and pleased tons of others by saying I believe the assault weapons in this county, the ban should be reinstated,” she said on her Fox News show.

Carlson shared a few of the insults she received on social media calling her “stupid” and “anti American.”

talkingpointsmemo.com

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 16, 2016 • 5:30:58am

re: #190 jeffreyw

re: #191 Decatur Deb

Being from PA I know exactly who and what you are referring to.

en.wikipedia.org

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A Mom Anon  Jun 16, 2016 • 5:34:34am

re: #39 makeitstop

I’ve been saying this since the beginning. I’m a DV/rape survivor. Trump creeps me out just as an automatic reaction. It took me a bit to figure out why and one afternoon, watching some crap about him, it was overwhelming, so much so I turned the TV off and started shaking. He is a classic controlling psychopath. Someone who has no conscience, will lie about anything even with the proof of the lie in front of him and someone so thin skinned that he simply has to get back at the tiniest percieved slight. If I could bet money, I bet his temper goes completely out of control behind closed doors. He’s a bully, with money to insulate him from the consequences. He’s what you get when you raise a child and never tell them no. Other people exist only to serve his purposes, if he has no use for you, you are subhuman.

He can’t be allowed anywhere near The White House. Even for brunch.

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William Lewis  Jun 16, 2016 • 5:36:09am

re: #193 PhillyPretzel

Being from PA I know exactly who and what you are referring to.

en.wikipedia.org

Remains one of my favorite modern painters. I especially adore the Helga portraits.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 16, 2016 • 5:40:15am

re: #195 William Lewis

The family was surprised when they were exhibited in a local gallery. They did not know that he was working on them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 16, 2016 • 5:43:43am

re: #194 A Mom Anon

He is certainly not going to let concepts like morals or even basic human decency get between him and his goals.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 16, 2016 • 5:47:56am

re: #194 A Mom Anon

re: #197 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is why I call him the “The Uncouth One.”

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William Lewis  Jun 16, 2016 • 5:51:57am

re: #196 PhillyPretzel

The family was surprised when they were exhibited in a local gallery. They did not know that he was working on them.

Quite, from everything I’ve read. Thankfully not being a member of either family, I can just appreciate the beauty and technique of them. The one titled “Lovers” from 1981 is possibly my favorite; his use of light makes the photographer in me jealous.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 16, 2016 • 5:54:02am

re: #197 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Nope. And what scares me even more than he does? His supporters. Many of whom share the same traits I’m sure. He’s inciting violence too, and when they lose this election, look for an uptick in domestic terrorism. It’s coming. I hate saying that or even writing it. But Trump is doing the classic “hey, let’s you and him fight” thing that bullies do while not a hair on his stupid hairdo gets moved out of place. He’s dangerous. He seems to think President means he’s a CEO and everyone has to do what he says. He has no idea how government works beyond paying off politicians.

What really freaks me out is the kids my son’s age (early 20s) who are being sold the same recycled Clinton shit from the 90’s. “Hillary got a rapist cleared of charges as his lawyer and laughed about it. As a woman I can never vote for her”, etc. I truly hope some of these kids will listen to their more enlightened friends. We’ll see.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 16, 2016 • 5:56:30am

re: #200 A Mom Anon

What really freaks me out is the kids my son’s age (early 20s) who are being sold the same recycled Clinton shit from the 90’s. “Hillary got a rapist cleared of charges as his lawyer and laughed about it. As a woman I can never vote for her”, etc. I truly hope some of these kids will listen to their more enlightened friends. We’ll see.

Millenials are a source of both hope and fear…

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Franklin  Jun 16, 2016 • 5:57:34am
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withak  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:00:55am

The end-game of the Trump long con takes shape: Trump may start a TV network.

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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:01:03am

Greets and saluts from the nation where the NRA considers any and all attempts to provide safety and take the Constitutional obligation by Congress to provide for the general welfare as an affront to their absolute right to own absolutely any gun they damn well want.

Semi autos? AR-15s? Yeah, they serve no purpose except to kill people. If you’re using them to hunt, you’re doing something wrong.

But the NRA owns the GOP, and that’s the least of the GOP problems these days.

With their sociopathic nominee spewing nonsensical ravings showing off his lunatic mind (and complete divestment from reality), GOPers are trying to find safe harbors.

Take John Kasich for instance:

“At this point…” That’s BS speak for - at some point I can back him. This is the position of a craven coward whose only interest is his own votes (and relying on the same voters who put Trump in position as nominee).

Craven cowards - the same GOPers who run from the cameras and refuse to talk about Trump.

Craven cowards - the same GOPers who refuse to stand up to the bigot brigade who nominated Trump because that would reveal that the GOP itself is the bigot brigade. You’d be standing up to the very voters who elected each and every one of these GOPers currently in Congress.

And their silence is assent to Trump’s agenda. Make no mistake about any of it. This is the GOP. Trump’s style may rub people the wrong way, but the policies are totally in line with GOP doctrine.

Oppose SSM? Trump would nominate judges who’d overturn Obergefell and eliminate SSM (some friend to the LGBT community heh!?).

Take the nativism/isolationism? Yeah, that’s a core GOP principle too. Because it plays up the fear/anger among the GOP’s most consistent voters - older white guys who are watching their rights being shared with everyone else, and they hate government for that - they liked the privilege they had.

So, it’s not a surprise then that Trump wants to create his own network to give “these people” a voice. I suggest he go with TWNN - Trump White Nationalist Network. Because that’s who he’s speaking loudest for.

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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:02:00am
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A Mom Anon  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:03:36am

OK, chores demand I take off for now. BBL. Have a great day lizards.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:04:27am

re: #205 lawhawk

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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:04:46am

This guy:

Sweet merciful crap. Silver lining?

Yeah, it turns out it was better for Sanders to be in VT than in DC with the rest of the Democrats filibustering to get the right to have votes on firearms regs.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:05:07am

re: #205 lawhawk

Why isn’t Congress holding hearings on the ten countries that make being gay a death penalty? How does culture of death lead to Orlando?

You mean like Uganda? The one where US Christian preachers went and convinced them to enact death penalty for being gay?

Proof again that Twitter is not set up to convey the nuances necessary to debate complex social and political issues.

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darthstar  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:06:51am

Mornin’ everyone. I’m glad to hear the DNC wasn’t hacked by the Russians looking for oppo research on Trump after all…that would have been scary and quite frankly, a little embarrassing.

All is well.

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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:07:38am

Morning!

So, today’s first 20 minutes of Morning Joke was fun. I still hate Joke Scarborough, but it is fun watching him writhe in pain over Trump and the GOP train wreck.

Here is the summation of the video clip I am embedding.

Joe: Trump has decided to throw this election
Top Talkers: Donald Trump’s rhetoric on the campaign trail, whether it’s discussing President Obama, Hillary Clinton or Orlando, is making him a liability for the GOP, according to the Morning Joe panel.

They also talk about him going after Hillary with the Breitbart article.

Iframe

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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:10:03am

Out of the UK:

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Franklin  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:10:34am

Fell asleep with my headphones in listening to the #filibuster on C-SPAN2 last night like a 10 year trying to stay awake to listen to the end of a World Series game.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:15:21am

re: #213 Franklin

Fell asleep with my headphones in listening to the #filibuster on C-SPAN2 last night like a 10 year trying to stay awake to listen to the end of a World Series game.

But what about the poor guns? Will no one think of them?

//

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Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:15:45am

re: #212 lawhawk

Out of the UK:

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What the heck are “advice surgeries”? Constituent meetings?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:16:06am

re: #211 ObserverArt

Morning!

So, today’s first 20 minutes of Morning Joke was fun. I still hate Joke Scarborough, but it is fun watching him writhe in pain over Trump and the GOP train wreck.

Here is the summation of the video clip I am embedding.

They also talk about him going after Hillary with the Breitbart article.

[Embedded content]

Please proceed…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:16:41am

re: #212 lawhawk

Out of the UK:

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This is her husband and children yesterday during the flotilla:

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Franklin  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:16:43am

re: #215 Timothy Watson

What the heck are “advice surgeries”? Constitution meetings?

I think so…

en.wikipedia.org

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:17:52am

re: #215 Timothy Watson

What the heck are “advice surgeries”? Constitution meetings?

Meetings with constituents to answer questions/concerns.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:17:57am

re: #211 ObserverArt

Joe: Trump has decided to throw this election

Okay, so Hillary still does not deserve to win, she only wins because Trump lets her

The Intertubes will soon be buzzing with proof of complicity…

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Sir John Barron  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:17:57am

re: #208 lawhawk

If there is any silver lining to the terrible tragedy in Orlando, it is for us to bring people together to prevent violence of all kinds.
 — Bernie Sanders

What does this even mean? Not specific.

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Franklin  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:19:21am

re: #221 Sir John Barron

What does this even mean? Not specific.

It’s just words.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:20:01am

re: #192 Timothy Watson

Ahhhhh, poor Gretchen Carlson, that’s what you get for using that book learning on Fox News:

talkingpointsmemo.com

Join the club, Gretchen.

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jeffreyw  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:22:23am

re: #191 Decatur Deb Yes, it’s the first thing I thought of when I framed the shot.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:22:43am

re: #193 PhillyPretzel

Being from PA I know exactly who and what you are referring to.

en.wikipedia.org

Pittsburgher in Exile.

That is the kind of open field over which a moon rises. Watched such from an eastbound Greyhound near Lancaster, unless I dreamt it.

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Franklin  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:24:33am
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Decatur Deb  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:25:16am

re: #226 Franklin

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Golden Meanie.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:25:19am
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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:25:51am

re: #226 Franklin

Looks like an asshole to me. /stolen shamelessly from Colbert…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:28:24am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

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darthstar  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:28:56am

re: #211 ObserverArt

Morning!

So, today’s first 20 minutes of Morning Joke was fun. I still hate Joke Scarborough, but it is fun watching him writhe in pain over Trump and the GOP train wreck.

Here is the summation of the video clip I am embedding.

They also talk about him going after Hillary with the Breitbart article.

[Embedded content]

I’ve thought for months (and said as much) that Trump doesn’t want to be President. I don’t even think he wanted to be the nominee…it was just so much fun taking down Bush and Santorum and Graham and Fiorina and the rest of those assholes—and so easy—that he couldn’t bow out.

Now he’s doing everything he can to prod the GOP into dumping him at the convention to save the party…but he misunderestimated their stupidity and lack of foresight. Now he’s stuck with them.

And Hillary? She’s basically running unopposed now. She could start campaigning for down-ticket Dems tomorrow and ignore Trump at this point and probably still coast to election.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:29:46am

re: #213 Franklin

Fell asleep with my headphones in listening to the #filibuster on C-SPAN2 last night like a 10 year trying to stay awake to listen to the end of a World Series game.

Did the Cubs finally win?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:30:31am

About Trump’s polls, I was afraid last weekend in Orlando would be a boost for him. Not only is that not happening, but I’m seeing tweets (from actual professional pundits and writers) about Donald possibly quitting or there being a coup at the GOP convention against the presumptive nominee.

Other tweets push back against the likelihood of either, but it’s remarkable the way things have turned this week.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:30:41am

NASA’s Red Planet recruiting posters
Mars Explorers Wanted

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Sir John Barron  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:30:50am

re: #232 I Would Prefer Not To

Did the Cubs finally win?

Lost.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:31:08am

Shot and stabbed:

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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:31:32am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:31:39am

re: #231 darthstar

I’ve thought for months (and said as much) that Trump doesn’t want to be President. I don’t even think he wanted to be the nominee…it was just so much fun taking down Bush and Santorum and Graham and Fiorina and the rest of those assholes—and so easy—that he couldn’t bow out.

Now he’s doing everything he can to prod the GOP into dumping him at the convention to save the party…but he misunderestimated their stupidity and lack of foresight. Now he’s stuck with them.

And Hillary? She’s basically running unopposed now. She could start campaigning for down-ticket Dems tomorrow and ignore Trump at this point and probably still coast to election.

BTW, isn’t today the one year anniversary of Trump’s announcement speech?

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Franklin  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:32:04am

re: #232 I Would Prefer Not To

Did the Cubs finally win?

They won in 2015

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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:33:06am

re: #238 Sir John Barron

BTW, isn’t today the one year anniversary of Trump’s announcement speech?

Yep. Mika mentions that in that Morning Joke video I put up in #211.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:33:19am

re: #239 Franklin

They won in 2015

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Musta got stoned and missed it…

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Decatur Deb  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:33:43am

re: #234 FormerDirtDart

NASA’s Red Planet recruiting posters
Mars Explorers Wanted

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That is so fucking cool. Ordering some for Grandson1.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:33:46am

Hooray! 64K Karma points! Thanks, folks!!!

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darthstar  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:33:50am

re: #238 Sir John Barron

BTW, isn’t today the one year anniversary of Trump’s announcement speech?

It was mid-June I believe. Last year at this time everyone was saying it would be Hillary v Bush. Looks like one of the two parties didn’t get the memo and screwed the pooch.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:34:37am

re: #239 Franklin

They won in 2015

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Yeah, The Mets killed that fantasy…
LGM

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:34:40am

re: #244 darthstar

It was mid-June I believe. Last year at this time everyone was saying it would be Hillary v Bush. Looks like one of the two parties didn’t get the memo and screwed the pooch.

I had bet on Scott Walker…shows what a pundit I am, in 2012 I thought it was gonna be Rick Perry…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:35:45am

re: #246 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I had bet on Scott Walker…shows what a pundit I am, in 2012 I thought it was gonna be Rick Perry…

We had the same thoughts.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:37:14am

Armed officers have arrested a 52-year-old man in West Yorkshire after Labour MP Jo Cox was shot in the street.

Ms Cox is in a critical condition in hospital after the attack, which happened in Market Street, Birstall, shortly before 1pm.

“A man in his late 40s to early 50s nearby also suffered slight injuries,” a West Yorkshire Police spokesman said.

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Franklin  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:37:29am

Cubs win! Proof!

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:37:50am

re: #237 lawhawk

DNC RULES If Sanders wants a prime time speech he has to concede BEFORE the Convention, says @GovEdRendell

I really like that rule

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:38:50am

re: #249 Franklin

Cubs win! Proof!

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Well, except for the “Queen Diana” teaser top right.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:39:50am

re: #251 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Well, except for the “Queen Diana” teaser top right.

And the hoverboard rampage…Son of Biff looks good in that picture.
:D

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:41:05am

re: #252 Backwoods_Sleuth

And the hoverboard rampage…Son of Biff looks good in that picture.
:D

BEats what he’s doing in our time line.

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Franklin  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:41:17am

re: #251 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Well, except for the “Queen Diana” teaser top right.

Below the fold has a headline about a female president. Back to the Future 2 was only off by a couple years. Who could’ve predicted Obama back in 1989.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:41:39am

re: #252 Backwoods_Sleuth

And the hoverboard rampage…Son of Biff looks good in that picture.
:D

Biff’s grandson

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:42:30am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:43:08am

re: #254 Franklin

Below the fold has a headline about a female president. Back to the Future 2 was only off by a couple years. Who could’ve predicted Obama back in 1989.

Apparently Obama’s jiggering of the timeline omitted that tiny detail. Perhaps it was deliberate. Hmmm.

//

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b.d.  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:43:46am

Nice little story about people now really freaking out about having gators in a lake near Fort Worth.

wfaa.com

but the last line in the article has just made my day.

Wildlife officials point out that gator attacks are rare, and often a simple case of confusion, where the reptile may think a person is actually an animal.

Gotta love North Texas.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:43:47am

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wasn’t Grijalva a possible VP choice?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:44:33am

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I expect more to join him. It’s all over Bernie Blue.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:44:48am

re: #254 Franklin

Below the fold has a headline about a female president. Back to the Future 2 was only off by a couple years. Who could’ve predicted Obama back in 1989.

Remember “The first black President will be a conservative”?

Well, not that far off…at least by the standards of conservatism in the 80’s.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:44:57am

re: #258 b.d.

Nice little story about people now really freaking out about having gators in a lake near Fort Worth.

wfaa.com

but the last line in the article has just made my day.

Gotta love North Texas.

Silly reptiles, forgetting all about the Book of Genesis.

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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:45:47am

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Bernie is soon going to find himself back as an Independent.

Trapped alone on a desert island.

Pack your soccer ball Bernie!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:45:48am

re: #259 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Wasn’t Grijalva a possible VP choice?

I think some pundits speculated about that.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:47:29am

Alt-right shitlords can turn on a dime.

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:49:30am

re: #261 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Remember “The first black President will be a conservative”?

Well, not that far off…at least by the standards of conservatism in the 80’s.

I doubt 1980s conservatives would have approved of gay marriage. Nor would have 1980s liberals.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:50:00am

egg with 10 followers tries to school Jen Granholm:

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:51:23am

Congrats to Senate Democrats. Yes, the vote is largely symbolic because the House isn’t going to do anything. But they learned they can work together and accomplish a goal.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:51:34am

The U.N. process probably needs some tweaking. Almost two years to make this determination meets the definition of ludicrous

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Decatur Deb  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:52:22am

re: #268 Belafon

Congrats to Senate Democrats. Yes, the vote is largely symbolic because the House isn’t going to do anything. But they learned they can work together and accomplish a goal.

Baby steps.

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Franklin  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:52:41am

re: #267 Backwoods_Sleuth

egg with 10 followers tries to school Jen Granholm:

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Ha!

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:54:48am

I can’t go to twitter to copy the tweet, but this, covered over at Balloon Juice, is great:

8/ This weekend, people were lined up hundreds deep to give blood to the victims of Orlando. Your Cheeto Jesus was praising himself.

— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) June 16, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:54:55am

oh dear:

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:56:19am

Holy crap, this nation’s infrastructure is a mess.
The Dog damn clocks have stopped again…

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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:58:05am

Shitheel is a shitheel wherever he’s spotted. It’s almost like it’s pathological. But sure, let’s give him firearms license, let him be a security guard, and oh, you have those? Here’s the guns you want. Oh, you want that matte-black AR-15 lookalike? Yeah, no problem. Your papers seem in order.

The problem isn’t the paperwork or even the background checks in this instance. It’s the availability of an entire class of guns that serve no purpose except to shoot a herd of deer. Wait. I meant a nightclub full of people, not a herd of deer.

Background checks and loophole closing can reduce certain firearms incidents. Eliminating sales of AR-15-type weapons can reduce others.

It’s the sum of the actions over time - just because a single mass shooting isn’t prevented by gun regulation X doesn’t mean that the regulation is irrelevant. It can prevent other less newsworthy incidents, like the daily drone of death and carnage from single homicides and countless suicides every single day.

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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:58:23am

As suspected in our discussion about Disney World and ‘gators yesterday.

Expect lawsuits. I can’t believe they didn’t warn of the presence of alligators. Maybe they didn’t want to scare people to spoil the vacation experience and ambiance.

What is more scary than your two-year old getting carried off by a ‘gator?

Metro- UK -Disney lagoon where boy, 2, died didn’t warn about alligators

Questions are being raised over why Disney World didn’t display signs warning of alligators at a hotel where a boy was dragged to his death.
Lane Graves was pulled under water at the Grand Floridian Resort & Spa on Tuesday night.

Despite sightings of alligators in the water, a sign on the waters edge only appears to warn of deep water, a steep drop and tells people not to swim.

Lane was dragged into the lagoon by the alligator while paddling with his mother.

Neighbouring hotels do have alligator warning signs.

Walt Disney World has been approached for comment, but yesterday it announced that all its beaches would be closed as a precaution.

- CUT -

Interesting that Brit papers/web sites have the story going. No US reports about lack of warning, yet. This is going to be interesting to see how Disney works around this one.

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Teukka  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:58:29am

Just gonna leave this here…. Japanese Donald Trump Commercialトランプ２０１６

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2016 • 6:58:37am

re: #274 FormerDirtDart

Holy crap, this nation’s infrastructure is a mess.
The Dog damn clocks have stopped again…

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Well Bill, your first mistake was assuming they were logical people and your second was assuming they care about what Trump says about the troops.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:01:15am

re: #278 HappyWarrior

Well Bill, your first mistake was assuming they were logical people and your second was assuming they care about what Trump says about the troops.

He was talking about Iraqi troops. He said he was talking about Iraqi troops, therefore he was.

/

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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:02:24am

re: #277 Teukka

Is that woman angling to be Trump’s 4th wife?

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:02:25am

re: #276 ObserverArt

Yeah, no US reports…

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:03:08am

Good morning Lizards!

Back in the US and resting after a 9-hour plane flight and being a wee bit jet lagged. So a slow day to rest, do laundry, and move pictures onto my laptop. (A lot of pictures.)

I see the US political shit-show continues on its usual course.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:07:07am

re: #258 b.d.

Nice little story about people now really freaking out about having gators in a lake near Fort Worth.

wfaa.com

but the last line in the article has just made my day.

Wildlife officials point out that gator attacks are rare, and often a simple case of confusion, where the reptile may think a person is actually an animal.

Gotta love North Texas.

A reptile dysfunction.

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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:07:28am

re: #281 FormerDirtDart

Yeah, no US reports…
Embedded Image

Sorry. US papers did not turn up in a my Google search using “Disney World to install signs warning about gators.”

I had heard a local report they are looking into putting up signs now.

Google is weird today. I hit “more news” and got a strange return.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:08:06am

Begeezus, don’t be giving the GOP and bathroom warriors any ideas

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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:08:41am
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Dr. Matt  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:08:45am

Report: Donald Trump Agreed to Call 24 Donors, Made It Through Three Before Giving Up

Ok, I think it’s clear at this point that his entire campaign is a charade. He doesn’t want to be POTUS. As earlier reports indicated, he was running to merely make a good show and finish in second. Looks like he will finish in second….behind President HR Clinton.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:09:40am

re: #286 FormerDirtDart

Begeezus, don’t be giving the GOP and bathroom warriors any ideas

Kenya upholds use of anal exam to determine sexual orientation

And this is a “Christian” nation?

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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:10:32am

re: #288 Dr. Matt

Speaking of donations, lies, and tax cheating…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:13:08am

Carly is campaigning with Rand

Join Dr. Rand Paul and special guest Carly Fiorina at the home of the Honarable Catherine & Irv Bailey for a Meet & Greet in support of Dr. Paul’s campaign. The tented outdoor event will feature a local bluegrass band, beer and wine (for those over the age of 21), and snacks.

Attend: $100

When
Friday, June 24, 2016 at 7:00 PM (EDT)
Where
4326 Glenview Avenue, Glenview, KY 40025

(On my birthday…)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:14:14am

re: #291 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Honarable”

spelling is hard…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:17:24am

re: #290 lawhawk

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:17:35am

re: #288 Dr. Matt

Report: Donald Trump Agreed to Call 24 Donors, Made It Through Three Before Giving Up

Ok, I think it’s clear at this point that his entire campaign is a charade. He doesn’t want to be POTUS. As earlier reports indicated, he was running to merely make a good show and finish in second. Looks like he will finish in second….behind President HR Clinton.

And he’s shown the absolute worst traits for a president: Being slighted will send him into a rage, and he doesn’t know when to quit.

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gocart mozart  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:17:36am

My VP suggestion for Hillary.

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Franklin  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:18:32am

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Honarable”

spelling is hard…

We all know he is capable of honar.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:18:48am

re: #177 Decatur Deb

Dead people are piling up in my speed-dialer.

I still have 3 or 4 friends that have passed away that I have not deleted from my contact list. In due time I guess.

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:19:42am

re: #296 The Vicious Babushka

Curses, PAYWALLED AGAIN!

To get the full effect, I’d have to copy the full thing, but here’s part:

Approximately a dozen of us, wearing our kippot, or yarmulkes, went down as soon as the holiday ended. Some of the members of our group are gay, but most are not. We did not know what to expect. As we gathered outside, we saw one large, drunk man talking loudly and wildly. I wondered whether we were in the right place. Then my mother, who was with me, went up to a man who was standing on the side of the building. She told him why we were there. He broke down in tears and told us his cousin was killed at Pulse. He embraced us and invited us into the Fireplace.

We didn’t know what to expect, but it turned out that we had so much in common. We met everyone in the bar. One of the patrons told me that his stepchildren were actually bar-mitzvahed in our congregation. Another one asked for my card so that his church could come and visit. The bartender shut off all of the music in the room, and the crowd became silent as we offered words of prayer and healing. My co-clergy Maharat Ruth Friedman shared a blessing related to the holiday of Shavuot, and she lit memorial candles on the bar ledge. Then everyone in the bar put their hands around each other’s shoulders, and we sang soulful tunes. After that, one of our congregants bought a round of beer for the whole bar.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:21:14am

re: #296 The Vicious Babushka

Open using an incognito tab…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:22:38am

re: #296 The Vicious Babushka

Curses, PAYWALLED AGAIN!

search on google using the headline

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Franklin  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:23:08am

re: #295 gocart mozart

My VP suggestion for Hillary.

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Thank you for sharing. I am a complete blubbering mess right now.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:23:33am

re: #301 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

search on google using the headline

Tried that, doesn’t work for me. :(

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:24:06am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:24:36am

I can rationalize buying a NY Times subscription because of their food section, but I can’t think of a way to justify buying a Washington Post subscription.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:25:35am

re: #303 The Vicious Babushka

Tried that, doesn’t work for me. :(

Weird. I’m not subscriber, but I never run into the paywall thing. Maybe because I’m not in the USA.

To make a long story short, they went to a gay African-American bar, were welcomed in gratefully. Prayers, songs and a round of beer were had by all.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:26:16am

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, that’s one appearance he can’t phone in.

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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:29:22am

re: #295 gocart mozart

My VP suggestion for Hillary.

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Damn that was tough to listen to.

Damn the cold souls of Wayne LaPierre, Ted Nugent and all the NRA jaw flappers.

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Franklin  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:33:36am

re: #308 ObserverArt

Damn that was tough to listen to.

Damn the cold souls of Wayne LaPierre, Ted Nugent and all the NRA jaw flappers.

Yep.

I just finished writing a letter to Senator Murphy’s office. I wanted to call but I figured a letter is best. Those poor staffers must be inundated with calls between yesterday and today.

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Franklin  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:35:02am

re: #309 Franklin

Yep.

I just finished writing a letter to Senator Murphy’s office. I wanted to call but I figured a letter is best. Those poor staffers must be inundated with calls between yesterday and today.

And just got an auto-response indicating I am not in his constituency. Oh well, I hope he gets it nonetheless!

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:35:28am

re: #309 Franklin

Yep.

I just finished writing a letter to Senator Murphy’s office. I wanted to call but I figured a letter is best. Those poor staffers must be inundated with calls between yesterday and today.

I don’t call my Senators because they’re Cornyn and Cruz, but I’ve read before that staffers like to hear from friendly voices because most of the time they get hit with the irate ones.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:37:54am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:40:45am

Maybe Ryan should expand those moments of silence to include nonsense like this coming out of his mouth.

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Franklin  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:44:17am
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Belafon  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:44:20am

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

Maybe Ryan should expand those moments of silence to include nonsense like this coming out of his mouth.

If they’re going to protest moments of silence, the next thing you know, Democrats will expect Congress to solve problems.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:45:13am

Damn very impressed with Murphy. I definitely think he’s someone that has a future in the Democratic Party.

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nines09  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:45:49am

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

Because a moment of silence is all that is ever offered by Ryan and company. Over and over and over. So caring. So concerned. So in the pocket of the NRA.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:46:31am

re: #310 Franklin

And just got an auto-response indicating I am not in his constituency. Oh well, I hope he gets it nonetheless!

A pretty short-sighted response since in part he would be expected to act in consideration of all US citizens and the planet as well in addition to those who actually elect him.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:46:33am

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Maybe Ryan should expand those moments of silence to include nonsense like this coming out of his mouth.

Coming from the guy who does absolutely nothing but empty rhetoric following tragedies, I don’t give a shit about Ryan bitching about the Democrats not doing anything for a meaningless gesture. Paul, your party has been homophobic for years, your party aligns itself with people who not only refuse to believe in the concept of LGBT rights but refuses to accept their basic humanity so fuck you and your party.

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Franklin  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:48:12am

re: #318 Feline Fearless Leader

A pretty short-sighted response since in part he would be expected to act in consideration of all US citizens and the planet as well in addition to those who actually elect him.

It was an auto-reply from the webform I sent. Standard procedure I suppose as it provided links for looking up my elected officials to better serve me.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:49:00am

re: #320 Franklin

It was an auto-reply from the webform I sent. Standard procedure I suppose as it provided links for looking up my elected officials to better serve me.

I’ve noticed that too.

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LastYearsMan  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:49:20am

Trump as conservative con artist? And here comes the grift…

(Potentially, anyhow. Trump TV).

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:50:21am

A note abut Murphy but he’s probably one of the few Senators that has children around the Sandy Hook victims age and he’s from Connecticut too of course. So you definitely could tell just by listening to him how close that hit close to home for him.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:51:05am

Fox “News’” Bret Baier to His Holiness the Dalai Lama: You Ever Seen Caddyshack?

Bret Baier: Last thing, have you ever seen the movie Caddyshack?

Dalai Lama: What?

Baier: Caddyshack, the movie.

Dalai Lama: I don’t know.

Baier: The part about the Dalai Lama. Have you ever played golf?

Dalai Lama: No.

Baier: You’re not a big hitter?

Dalai Lama: In badminton.

Baier: But not golf?

Dalai Lama: No.

Baier: There’s a classic movie called Caddyshack where they talk about the Dalai Lama.

Dalai Lama: I see.

Baier: I had to ask you about it.

Dalai Lama: I don’t know.

Baier: Well thank you very much for the time.

And these are the same people that whine President Obama is embarrassing our country. What a fucking toolbag.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:51:58am

re: #324 Dr. Matt

Fox “News’” Bret Baier to His Holiness the Dalai Lama: You Ever Seen Caddyshack?

And these are the same people that whine President Obama is embarrassing our country. What a fucking toolbag.

Such great journalism.//

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:53:17am

from Facebook

Trump
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CuriousLurker  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:54:04am

re: #303 The Vicious Babushka

Tried that, doesn’t work for me. :(

I use NoScript with Firefox and I have no problem viewing WaPo. There’s some stuff (slideshows, etc.) that won’t work with JavaScript turned off, and overall the site isn’t as pretty to look at, but at least I don’t have to pay. If I have to temporarily turn js back on, then I either use another browser or delete all my WaPo cookies to reset the free views.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:57:28am

re: #303 The Vicious Babushka

Tried that, doesn’t work for me. :(

You have to delete the cookies served through [*.]washingtonpost.com

You can’t block them from setting the cookies (otherwise they won’t let you load the site at all), but if you do “Clear on Exit” in Chrome that will work and just close and reopen your browser if you get the “you must subscribe” message.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 16, 2016 • 7:59:36am

re: #310 Franklin

And just got an auto-response indicating I am not in his constituency. Oh well, I hope he gets it nonetheless!

That kinda sucks—it’s off-putting. He most likely isn’t even aware of the auto-response unless he’s a micro-manager type with an understanding of tech.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:00:56am

re: #324 Dr. Matt

Fox “News’” Bret Baier to His Holiness the Dalai Lama: You Ever Seen Caddyshack?

And these are the same people that whine President Obama is embarrassing our country. What a fucking toolbag.

Asking the hard questions the liberal media shrinks from.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:02:57am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:03:02am

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

Maybe Ryan should expand those moments of silence to include nonsense like this coming out of his mouth.

“What, our thoughts and prayers aren’t enough for you people?”

/

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Sir John Barron  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:04:35am

re: #296 The Vicious Babushka

Curses, PAYWALLED AGAIN!

The Wash Post blows like that.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:04:37am

re: #328 Timothy Watson

For anyone curious, this is what my Chrome settings look like:

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Sir John Barron  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:05:27am

re: #286 FormerDirtDart

Begeezus, don’t be giving the GOP and bathroom warriors any ideas

Anal exams for Freedumb.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:06:39am

re: #294 Belafon

And he’s shown the absolute worst traits for a president: Being slighted will send him into a rage, and he doesn’t know when to quit.

Everything is fine….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:07:54am

This is so true.
I learned a lot about the various gun issues watching/listening to the filibuster. Most of the questions raised by the participating Senators were framed in ways to answer questions raised by constituents or to dispel myths surrounding “gun control”. (Also lots of righteous smacking down the NRA/GOP.)
Disappointed in myself for falling asleep during the 13th hour.

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Fineday  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:08:07am

Update on the attack on British MP, Jo Cox:

“Police investigating reports suspect shouted ‘Britain First’

Police are also investigating reports the suspect shouted “Britain First”, a possible reference to the far-right political party, as he launched the attack, Vikram Dodd, Nazia Paveen and Rob Booth report.

Graeme Howard, 38, who lives in nearby Bond Street, told the Guardian he heard the man shout “Britain First” before the shooting and during the arrest.

Police were understood to be talking to at least one witness who claimed to have heard the attacker shout words about the right-wing group, and the motivation for the incident will form part of their inquiry

“I heard the shot and I ran outside and saw some ladies from the cafe running out with towels,” he said. “There was loads of screaming and shouting and the police officers showed up.

“He was shouting Britain First when he was doing it and being arrested. He was pinned down by two police officers and she was taken away in an ambulance.”

theguardian.com

Live updates via the link. No news on Jo Cox’ condition yet. Hoping that she makes it.

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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:08:29am

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Maybe Ryan should expand those moments of silence to include nonsense like this coming out of his mouth.

Anyone know what ‘gurning’ is?

Everytime I see Paul Ryan I think he could be a world-class gurner.

Wiki Images - Gurning

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Sir John Barron  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:09:16am

re: #272 Belafon

I can’t go to twitter to copy the tweet, but this, covered over at Balloon Juice, is great:

Rick Wilson has really gone off the GOP reservation with Trump.

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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:09:43am

The GOP is reciting NRA talking points about how the Democratic party proposals on gun regulations is taking away their freedoms, and is only a short walk to suspending the 4th or 5th amendments.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:11:06am

re: #265 The Vicious Babushka

Alt-right shitlords can turn on a dime.

Those five minutes without Milo on Twitter were a paradise.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:13:43am

re: #244 darthstar

It was mid-June I believe. Last year at this time everyone was saying it would be Hillary v Bush. Looks like one of the two parties didn’t get the memo and screwed the pooch.

Many of us greatly over-estimated, if that is possible, the inclinations and interest in the nation’s civil well-being of the teabag party electorate.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:14:11am

Below is an epic rant from last night by a GOP media guy. He also wrote a scathing essay earlier in this month: After Judge Curiel, What Will Endorsing Donald Trump do To GOP Candidates? His rage & despair are palpable.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:14:58am

re: #244 darthstar

It was mid-June I believe. Last year at this time everyone was saying it would be Hillary v Bush. Looks like one of the two parties didn’t get the memo and screwed the pooch.

We didn’t realize how deeply committed the tea party was to wanting to watch the world burn.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:15:57am

re: #338 Fineday

Wow, I hadn’t heard about this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:16:37am

Brendan is Jo’s husband:

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nines09  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:16:50am

re: #341 lawhawk

The GOP is reciting NRA talking points about how the Democratic party proposals on gun regulations is taking away their freedoms, and is only a short walk to suspending the 4th or 5th amendments.

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And the sad part is their constituents buy it. That’s all they have. Fear. Fear that others have guns. Fear that you don’t have enough. Fear that they are the only thing standing between you and despotism when they are a living example of how despotism works.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:16:59am

China has rescinded an invitation to this children’s choir, because it sang the Taiwanese national anthem for the new president’s inauguration.

TICF12 屏東希望兒童合唱團 Puzangalan Children’s Choir

They are members of the Paiwan people, an aboriginal tribe of Taiwan.

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gocart mozart  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:18:02am

From The Desk Of Donald Trump 3/16/11

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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:18:33am

re: #344 CuriousLurker

Below is an epic rant form last night by a GOP media guy. He wrote a scathing essay earlier in this month: After Judge Curiel, What Will Endorsing Donald Trump do To GOP Candidates? His rage & despair are palpable.

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I think it was Tuesday last week on MSNBC during their coverage of California, NJ and the other primaries they had Rick Wilson on and he let go a “shit” while on air. I don’t think he is a happy Republican these days. And he is freely letting it be known.

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gocart mozart  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:19:08am

re: #323 HappyWarrior

Murphy was my congressman before he was Senator. Sandy Hook was in his district.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:20:40am

re: #324 Dr. Matt

Fox “News’” Bret Baier to His Holiness the Dalai Lama: You Ever Seen Caddyshack?

And these are the same people that whine President Obama is embarrassing our country. What a fucking toolbag.

Who was the Australian TV announcer dick who tried to tell the Dalai Lama the pizza joke?

(How does the Dala Lama order a pizza?
-One, with everything)

Good god, some of us have no time to concern ourselves with bad 1980’s movies…

(I have not seen it, just aware of all the references to it)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:21:12am

re: #353 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Who was the Australian TV announcer dick who tried to tell the Dalai Lama the pizza joke?

(How does the Dala Lama order a pizza?
-One, with everything)

Good god, some of us have no time to concern ourselves with bad 1980’s movies…

(I have not seen it, just aware of all the references to it)

I expect that BB cannot get his head around the notion that somebody does not know the film.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:22:46am

Boy, great news to wake up to. My only fear now is that Trump “Bottoms Out” too early. Of course, I love that he was pledged to call 20 top donors, called 3 then quit. I guess he doesn’t like being the one who isn’t pulling all the strings.

Of course, when you compare the size of Clinton and Trumps campaign staff, it’s clear that Trump is way ahead in the all important “Positive Rating Per Staff Member” Metric. Unskew the polls.!!!!!!

Off to open up the shop and get ready for a mongo huge delivery we’re expecting today.

RBS

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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:24:15am

So…the question remains.

Did Big Bill Clinton set up the GOP by having Trump run?

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Jay C  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:24:57am

re: #347 Backwoods_Sleuth

Brendan is Jo’s husband:

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BBC says Jo Cox is still in critical condition: there will be a police news conference at 17:00 UK time (12n ET, 9am PT) with an update on the assault.

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nines09  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:26:31am

I emailed Target the other day to congratulate their employees on defending a young breast feeding mother and baby from a vile wretch of a man, and to say thanks for their transgender stand. They got back to me.



Hello

Thanks so much for your compliment! I understand you want to thank our Team member who protected a young mother breastfeeding her baby. I appreciate the time you’ve taken to bring this to our attention so we could recognize the Torrington- employees for their outstanding service.
We want Target to be your favorite shopping destination, so we’re always working to make our site fun and easy to use. It’s great to hear the hard work is paying off!
I’ve shared your comments with our leadership team and I hope you’ll always find something you love at Target.
Sincerely,
Malcolm
The Target team


Story and video here.

I shop Target.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:27:38am

re: #355 Reality Based Steve

Boy, great news to wake up to. My only fear now is that Trump “Bottoms Out” too early. Of course, I love that he was pledged to call 20 top donors, called 3 then quit. I guess he doesn’t like being the one who isn’t pulling all the strings.

Of course, when you compare the size of Clinton and Trumps campaign staff, it’s clear that Trump is way ahead in the all important “Positive Rating Per Staff Member” Metric. Unskew the polls.!!!!!!

Off to open up the shop and get ready for a mongo huge delivery we’re expecting today.

RBS

I don’t call donors, they call me! I will have the best donors. Believe me.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:30:38am

re: #358 nines09

We need to have a long national discussion about the fact that secondary sexual characteristics are not necessarily always sexual in nature and that sexuality is not always connected with immorality.

But that would get a lot of people rather hot under the collar…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:31:43am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:32:19am

re: #361 Backwoods_Sleuth

Breaking—AFLCIO endorses Hillary for president—“A stark choice between an unstoppable champion for working families & an unstable charlatan”

Unions are evil

/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:33:43am
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FormerDirtDart  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:33:53am
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nines09  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:34:49am

re: #360 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I thought for a very long time that 99% of the worlds problems are sexualy related

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:35:55am

re: #365 nines09

I thought for a very long time that 99% of the worlds problems are sexualy related

The founders of the early Christian church had some serious sexual hangups that they imposed on the entire world, yes…

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nines09  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:37:24am

re: #366 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They were not alone.

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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:38:21am

re: #364 FormerDirtDart

As opposed to people like Scott Lively who exported the notion of imposing the death penalty for being gay. Lively, who is American and Christian.

And whose fellow Christian extremists are more than willing to call for death to gays.

Ayup.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:39:13am
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Teukka  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:39:40am

re: #363 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“No doubt a soshulist false flag to create a martyr for themselves”

*smh* Yes, I’m already seeing the above.

Lizardim, positive thoughts, vibes and/or prayers… Hope she pulls through.

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MsJ  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:39:42am

re: #203 withak

The end-game of the Trump long con takes shape: Trump may start a TV network.

From the article:

“He has, according to one of these people, enlisted the consultation of his daughter Ivanka Trump and son-in-law, Jared Kushner, who owns the The New York Observer. Trump’s rationale, according to this person, is that, ‘win or lose, we are onto something here. We’ve triggered a base of the population that hasn’t had a voice in a long time.’”

I think Glenn Beck gave them a voice a long time ago. Then did Alex Jones, Weiner, Savage, et al. And let’s not forget Rush and Fox…oldies but goodies for the raging right.

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Jay C  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:41:34am

re: #361 Backwoods_Sleuth

Breaking—AFLCIO endorses Hillary for president—“A stark choice between an unstoppable champion for working families & an unstable charlatan”

So, what’s the over/under on Trump’s reply (if any- probably a tweet) - containing the term “corrupt”, as in

“Corrupt Union Bosses endorse Crooked Hillary. It figures. Sad.”

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MsJ  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:41:43am

re: #208 lawhawk

This guy:

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Sweet merciful crap. Silver lining?

Yeah, it turns out it was better for Sanders to be in VT than in DC with the rest of the Democrats filibustering to get the right to have votes on firearms regs.

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TedStriker  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:46:37am

re: #344 CuriousLurker

Below is an epic rant form last night by a GOP media guy. He wrote a scathing essay earlier in this month: After Judge Curiel, What Will Endorsing Donald Trump do To GOP Candidates? His rage & despair are palpable.

[Embedded content]

5/ You won’t escape the stain. It’s like a big, visible “No Ragrets” chest tat that will mark your careers forever.

LOL…someone’s been watching We’re the Millers…

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Stanley Sea  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:47:45am

re: #322 LastYearsMan

Trump as conservative con artist? And here comes the grift…

(Potentially, anyhow. Trump TV).

It will be just like Palin TV.

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MsJ  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:50:50am

re: #275 lawhawk

Note to self…stay away from Floriduh security guards. They can be murderous.

(Wasn’t Zimmy a security guard, too?)

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makeitstop  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:52:05am

re: #307 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Well, that’s one appearance he can’t phone in.

I’m willing to bet that he doesn’t show up.

His lawyers are probably trying to set up an alternate venue for the deposition as I type this.

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MsJ  Jun 16, 2016 • 8:59:40am

re: #296 The Vicious Babushka

Curses, PAYWALLED AGAIN!

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 16, 2016 • 9:03:09am

re: #326 I Would Prefer Not To

from Facebook

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I saw one from him the other day:

“I just discovered a cheap way to travel back in time.
Flights to Saudi Arabia start off as low as $350.”

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cat-tikvah  Jun 16, 2016 • 9:12:23am

re: #371 MsJ

Well, they’ve certainly triggered people who have fingers on actual triggers. God and Goddess help us all.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 16, 2016 • 9:28:19am

re: #374 TedStriker

Know what I’m sayin?!

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makeitstop  Jun 16, 2016 • 9:35:07am

re: #350 gocart mozart

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Video

You know what I noticed first?

No wedding ring on that stubby little finger…

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bws58  Jun 16, 2016 • 9:50:48am

re: #138 Anymouse

Darkover at least had laran, and red heads..lots of red heads :)

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m0nkeyb0y  Jun 16, 2016 • 11:00:36am

re: #194 A Mom Anon

I’ve been saying this since the beginning. I’m a DV/rape survivor. Trump creeps me out just as an automatic reaction. It took me a bit to figure out why and one afternoon, watching some crap about him, it was overwhelming, so much so I turned the TV off and started shaking. He is a classic controlling psychopath. Someone who has no conscience, will lie about anything even with the proof of the lie in front of him and someone so thin skinned that he simply has to get back at the tiniest percieved slight. If I could bet money, I bet his temper goes completely out of control behind closed doors. He’s a bully, with money to insulate him from the consequences. He’s what you get when you raise a child and never tell them no. Other people exist only to serve his purposes, if he has no use for you, you are subhuman.

He can’t be allowed anywhere near The White House. Even for brunch.

So, Trump is Brock Turner all grown up without society intervening.

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William of Orange  Jun 16, 2016 • 2:54:41pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

For teleskiguy…

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Larger

Gee, that’s a lot of global warming there.


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