Neo-Nazis Arrested in New York With Weapons and Bomb Materials Are Trump Fans

“Make America White Again”
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The Daily Beast has more information on Edward Perkowski, arrested Thursday in New York’s Long Island suburb with a cache of weapons, bomb-making materials and instruction manuals, and Nazi paraphernalia; it turns out that Perkowski, his brother, and their father were also fans of, you guessed it, Donald Trump.

The screenshot above is from Perkowski’s Facebook photos, where he uses the pseudonym “Dale Reinecke” for some reason.

A review of Edward Perkowski Jr.’s Facebook profile—under the pseudonym Dale Reinecke—reveals hate-filled and sexist rants in between snaps of his beloved golden retriever. (Perkowski goes by “Dale,” his middle name, or “DJ,” short for Dale Jr.,  neighbors told The Daily Beast.)

On Facebook he’s known as “Übermensch.”

Under “Work,” Perkowski lists Germany’s radical right-wing National Democratic Party (NPD). He also quotes Hitler and describes himself as an “independent” and “PROUD NATIONALIST.”

Meanwhile, he also appears to back Donald Trump. In May, Perkowski posted a photo of the GOP presidential contender with the words, “Make America White Again!” His father, Edward Perkowski Sr., responded emphatically with, “BUILD THE WALL.”  

The younger Perkowski also shared a painting of a lily-white family by a Third Reich artist called “The Aryan Family,” with the words, “Everything I do is for the love of my own people, and not for the hatred of any other!”

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394 comments

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Great White Snark  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:19:19pm

Did I wake up in a bad episode of Sliders? Seems like when I last noticed, we all got to endure an annoying bunch of campaign commercials for months, go vote and then watch the swearing in. Now we got a dead PM, violence at rallies, and a sequence of freaks looking to shoot something up.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:20:48pm

This will certainly be a year to remember.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:21:39pm

I note that all the Rage Furby sock accounts are still operational, but nothing has been posted for the last seven hours, AFAIK.

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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:21:47pm

My surprised face.

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Kragar  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:22:52pm
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electrotek  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:23:33pm

But it’s only Muslims that are inherently radical doe

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Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:23:41pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:24:08pm

re: #4 teleskiguy

My surprised face.

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My surprised…oh, hell—just click my avatar.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:24:43pm

Hey Perkowski, the Nazis you admire hated Polish people like you. Hitler though people with names like yours were fit for slave labor and you actually like that paper-hanging son-of-a-bitch? Boyo, you are dumber than shit!

/rant off

Sorry, but seeing someone that ignorant of history just trips my trigger.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:25:43pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:26:07pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

Ignorance and hate. A volatile combination.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:26:09pm

re: #1 Great White Snark

You mean ‘MP’, not ‘PM’.

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Shimshon  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:26:19pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Another ex-military turns out to be a Neo Nazi. More unintended consequences from the Bush wars. Hiring hundreds of thousands of lunatics and then setting them free on society with mental issues.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:26:43pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

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Ok, AC, name a captured gun-waving, bomb-building nazi terrorist who supports Hillary. I’ll wait.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:26:52pm

Amazing how fast the alt-right goons respond to me on Twitter these days.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:28:31pm

re: #13 Shimshon

Slurring the military won’t get on my good side, chum. In fact, it’ll tick me off fast.

downding.

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Shimshon  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:30:28pm

re: #16 Dark_Falcon

Slurring the military won’t get on my good side, chum. In fact, it’ll tick me off fast.

downding.

You didn’t read what I wrote, or you decided to purposely twist what I said to get angry. Either way you are very predictable.

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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:31:02pm

re: #16 Dark_Falcon

Slurring the military won’t get on my good side, chum. In fact, it’ll tick me off fast.

downding.

Whatever, dude. Shimshon was not lambasting the military as a whole.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:32:13pm

re: #17 Shimshon

I read what you wrote, and I decided it was another “vets are time-bombs” piece of drek.

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Shimshon  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:32:21pm

re: #18 teleskiguy

Whatever, dude. Shimshon was not lambasting the military as a whole.

They dropped their standards for over a decade, hiring people with criminal backgrounds, failed tests, gang connections, ties to hate groups. Of course I never meant the whole military, just a very vocal percentage that has massive mental issues now after they leave.

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gocart mozart  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:33:08pm

I did Nazi that coming.

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majii  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:33:32pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

You upset them too much with the facts you tweet. They cannot have that because RW media has informed them that there is nothing wrong with the way they view others and the world. Hate, bigotry, homophobia, Islamophobia, racism, etc. cloaked in Christianity is A-OK they’ve been told, and it takes a lot of energy to maintain their current state of cognitive dissonance.

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Shimshon  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:33:38pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

I read what you wrote, and I decided it was another “vets are time-bombs” piece of drek.

So you disagree with studies showing large mental issues, poor VA care, untreated ptsd, and a higher percentage than society having criminal records after leaving? There is a reason law enforcement has warned of veterans and it isn’t because of a giant conspiracy to send you all to FEMA camps by 0bama.

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MsJ  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:33:46pm

re: #16 Dark_Falcon

Slurring the military won’t get on my good side, chum. In fact, it’ll tick me off fast.

downding.

So an ex military trained in combat methods who happens to be a Neo nazi is okie dokie by you?

Gotta say, that’ll tick me off even faster.

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Kragar  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:34:38pm

Planas stated the purchase could have been concluded even quicker except that the background check took a substantial amount of time because so many other shoppers across the country were also purchasing Ar-15’s “similar to one the one used in the massacre last Sunday” which backed up the national background check system.

According to Planas, the gun shop employee said that a purchase of an AR-15 usually takes five to ten minutes on “a normal day,” adding that, “Every time there is one of these shootings, people get paranoid our laws are going to change.”

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Shimshon  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:34:44pm

re: #24 MsJ

So an ex military trained in combat methods who happens to be a Neo nazi is okie dokie by you?

Gotta say, that’ll tick me off even faster.

How dare you slur the good name of these patriots? Obviously he just wants to make America GREAT again /s

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Great White Snark  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:35:02pm

Just gonna make a humble suggestion on a decent Saturday night. Lets not fight among ourselves.

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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:35:05pm

re: #20 Shimshon

It’s easy to recognize conservatives, moderates, and liberals at LGF. It’s all about black-and-white versus shades of grey. Works in meat space too.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:35:25pm

Don’t forget starting at 9:45 AM EDT, 6:45 Pacific, Blue Origin is for the first time webcasting the fourth launch of the New Shepard spacecraft. They’re going to deliberately fail one of the three parachutes on the return capsule, to see how that goes.

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MsJ  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:35:28pm

re: #26 Shimshon

How dare you slur the good name of these patriots? Obviously he just wants to make America GREAT again /s

Seriously. What the everlasting fuck?

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:36:01pm

re: #24 MsJ

So an ex military trained in combat methods who happens to be a Neo nazi is okie dokie by you?

Gotta say, that’ll tick me off even faster.

No, its not ‘okie dokie’ with me. But I don’t think it proper nor accurate to blame George W. Bush for this asshole becoming a Nazi.

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gocart mozart  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:36:15pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:37:09pm

re: #27 Great White Snark

Just gonna make a humble suggestion on a decent Saturday night. Lets not fight among ourselves.

Dude, it’s Wednesday for me. When the hell is it? What day is this?

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MsJ  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:37:10pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

No, its not ‘okie dokie’ with me. But I don’t think it proper nor accurate to blame George W. Bush for this asshole becoming a Nazi.

But you can damn well blame Bush for this douchebag becoming a fucking vet.

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Great White Snark  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:38:09pm

re: #33 teleskiguy

Dude, it’s Wednesday for me. When the hell is it? What day is this?

Any day is a good day among friends.

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Shimshon  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:38:59pm

re: #28 teleskiguy

It’s easy to recognize conservatives, moderates, and liberals at LGF. It’s all about black-and-white versus shades of grey. Works in meat space too.

I don’t know or keep track of the leaning of anyone here. Except Falcon he always appears to white knight the worst kind of people while pretending to hate them, and rushes to the NRA talking points if the topic is about guns. Now he’s mad at me because I’m worried about all types of bad people not just white supremacists but gangs too with military training and a lot of time on their hands.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:39:34pm

re: #32 gocart mozart

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Maybe that’s why I remember the 70s fondly—unlike most people.

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Shimshon  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:39:58pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

No, its not ‘okie dokie’ with me. But I don’t think it proper nor accurate to blame George W. Bush for this asshole becoming a Nazi.

Ask yourself why the standards were dropped so low that anyone was able to join? I don’t think it was all the foreign adventures of the B. Clinton administration.

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Belafon  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:40:22pm

Someone put up a link about what Bernie supporters are trying to do to influence the Democratic party, from running for office to protesting at Philadelphia. I thought this was funny:

n the basement of the Lakeside Center, where the Summit was held, some of those younger Sanders supporters prepared for what they called “direct action” — loud, consistent, and perhaps disruptive protest outside the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia. Several dozen of them attended a training on how to march, how to follow a chant, how to defy police orders to disperse by sitting and locking arms in what’s called a “human chain,” and how to conduct themselves when the police stepped in and physically removed them.

How to follow a chant. Either this is a bunch of people with absolutely no rhythm, or I hope they bring large books to bang against their heads:

Monty Python and The Holy Grail Monks (with subtitles)

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Kragar  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:40:42pm
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MsJ  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:42:03pm

re: #36 Shimshon

I don’t know or keep track of the leaning of anyone here. Except Falcon he always appears to white knight the worst kind of people while pretending to hate them, and rushes to the NRA talking points if the topic is about guns. Now he’s mad at me because I’m worried about all types of bad people not just white supremacists but gangs too with military training and a lot of time on their hands.

Because we were desperate for bodies for George Bush’s Excellent Adventure in Iraq. We trained fucking gangbangers, for Christ sake. Model citizens. Handed them military weaponry. Trained them in usage, military tactics. With a giant WhatTheFuckEver when they come home.

I’m fucking pissed.

No thought into what he’s saying. Just goddamned rah fucking rah.

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Shimshon  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:42:06pm

re: #39 Belafon

Someone put up a link about what Bernie supporters are trying to do to influence the Democratic party, from running for office to protesting at Philadelphia. I thought this was funny:

How to follow a chant. Either this is a bunch of people with absolutely no rhythm, or I hope they bring large books to bang against their heads:

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There’s a story on /r/politics about “the largest fart-in” planned for when Hillary speaks at the convention. I don’t want to link it because truthdig seems like some wing nut site. Stay classy, fake Democrats.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:43:08pm

Trump campaign: We’re facing an emergency goal of $100,000

The Donald Trump campaign on Saturday released its first “emergency” fund-raising email, in response to an ad blitz from the Hillary Clinton campaign.
“Right now we’re facing an emergency goal of $100,000 to help get our ads on the air. We need your contribution by 11:59 P.M. Tonight,” the email from Team Trump said.

“Crooked Hillary is about to invade your TV with ads attacking Mr. Trump. But we’re preparing to fight back,” it reads.
The email promises to release ads attacking Clinton on her role in Benghazi, the integrity of her donors and reported FBI probing of her private email server while secretary of state.
The urgent fundraising email is routine for most presidential campaigns. But it’s particularly notable since Trump insisted repeatedly during the GOP primary season that he was self-funding his campaign, only to start asking for donations later on.
Republican officials and activists are increasingly concerned that Trump is underestimating the fundraising challenge ahead as he faces off against Clinton, the presumptive Democratic nominee.

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Shimshon  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:43:15pm

re: #41 MsJ

Because we were desperate for bodies for George Bush’s Excellent Adventure in Iraq. We trained fucking gangbangers, for Christ sake. Model citizens. Handed them military weaponry. Trained them in usage, military tactics. With a giant WhatTheFuckEver when they come home.

I’m fucking pissed.

No thought into what he’s saying. Just goddamned rah fucking rah.

And just as scary as white supremacists having military training is the Crips and Bloods and Latin drug cartels all having members that were military.

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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:43:30pm

re: #36 Shimshon

My suggestion to you is to is to keep concise in your refutations and just move on. He likes stirring the shit here. One time (very recently) I got so mad at him I called him all kinds of nasty names. It happens, and we’re cool. Still, I agree with you that some of his views are abhorrent and they do need to be called out. Say what you need to say and move on is my suggestion. You watch, though. I won’t even heed my own advice months down the line closer to November, Dark_Falcon will say something and it’ll set me off*.

*he likes that

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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:44:13pm

re: #35 Great White Snark

Any day is a good day among friends.

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Belafon  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:44:20pm

re: #16 Dark_Falcon

Slurring the military won’t get on my good side, chum. In fact, it’ll tick me off fast.

downding.

Dark, I was in the Navy in the 90s, and even though the military is way more integrated than the rest of the country, the racism and sexism was really obvious. I am not surprised that there are neo-Nazis in the ranks.

Please do not make the military out to be some holier-than-thou institution. It draws from the population. It is not perfect, and worshipping it does neither it, nor the country, any good.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:44:29pm

re: #13 Shimshon

Another ex-military turns out to be a Neo Nazi. More unintended consequences from the Bush wars. Hiring hundreds of thousands of lunatics and then setting them free on society with mental issues.

Imagine what they did in Iraq.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:45:42pm

re: #34 MsJ

But you can damn well blame Bush for this douchebag becoming a fucking vet.

Do you know that this one got into the military because of lowered standards? If so, then please provide a link.

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Shimshon  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:46:12pm

re: #45 teleskiguy

My suggestion to you is to is to keep concise in your refutations and just move on. He likes stirring the shit here. One time (very recently) I got so mad at him I called him all kinds of nasty names. It happens, and we’re cool. Still, I agree with you that some of his views are abhorrent and they do need to be called out. Say what you need to say and move on is my suggestion. You watch, though. I won’t even heed my own advice months down the line closer to November, Dark_Falcon will say something and it’ll set me off*.

*he likes that

I never knew he had a reputation like that. Maybe Free Republic became too dull and he comes here? I can separate the internet from the real world most days, and do not get so upset that I can’t log off and forget about it. I do try and stay away when places turn crazy like Fark and reddit. I never once visited 4chan either.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:47:48pm

re: #50 Shimshon

I’ve never been to Free Republic, and I don’t intend to go there. The place is mad with hate and rage and I’m not a fan of either.

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Shimshon  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:48:42pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

Do you know that this one got into the military because of lowered standards? If so, then please provide a link.

They could just have untreated ptsd, the VA isn’t known for doing a good job helping vets and no one cares about them once they stop fighting for Exxon.

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Belafon  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:48:46pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

Do you know that this one got into the military because of lowered standards? If so, then please provide a link.

I can’t speak to this specific person, but: Military Lowers Standards To Fill Ranks. It’s been known for a while.

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electrotek  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:49:24pm

Spotted the elusive gay Trump supporter:

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Shimshon  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:49:37pm

re: #51 Dark_Falcon

I’ve never been to Free Republic, and I don’t intend to go there. The place is mad with hate and rage and I’m not a fan of either.

That’s good news. I like to lurk on Fark and a year ago there was a user there who posted some quotes of Freepers once in a while. I think “Freep Impact” or something. That was very disturbing.

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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:50:15pm

re: #50 Shimshon

I never knew he had a reputation like that. Maybe Free Republic became too dull and he comes here? I can separate the internet from the real world most days, and do not get so upset that I can’t log off and forget about it. I do try and stay away when places turn crazy like Fark and reddit. I never once visited 4chan either.

He is kind of an outlier.

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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:54:01pm

re: #55 Shimshon

That’s good news. I like to lurk on Fark and a year ago there was a user there who posted some quotes of Freepers once in a while. I think “Freep Impact” or something. That was very disturbing.

I remember you saying that you hoped that this place doesn’t turn into a cesspool like the other online places you’ve been.

I wouldn’t worry about the likes of Dark_Falcon. Click on his avatar, you’ll understand.

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Shimshon  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:55:21pm

re: #47 Belafon

Dark, I was in the Navy in the 90s, and even though the military is way more integrated than the rest of the country, the racism and sexism was really obvious. I am not surprised that there are neo-Nazis in the ranks.

Please do not make the military out to be some holier-than-thou institution. It draws from the population. It is not perfect, and worshipping it does neither it, nor the country, any good.

I’m slowly getting through this biography of Robert Kennedy

amazon.com

One chapter about him travelling down during the height of the segregation fight to Mississippi and he commented on how the military bases there had no American flags and only Confederate flags. It is unfortunate that things aren’t getting better on many fronts, the military is kicking and screaming on dealing with their rape culture.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:55:50pm

re: #50 Shimshon

I never once visited 4chan either.

You totally missed out!
/:P

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:55:58pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

No, its not ‘okie dokie’ with me. But I don’t think it proper nor accurate to blame George W. Bush for this asshole becoming a Nazi.

They really did lower the standards quite a bit.

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majii  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:56:01pm

re: #36 Shimshon

I remember reading at SPLC how white nationalists have been recruiting vets to take advantage of their experience in the military, especially those well-versed in the use of explosives. We had an incident here in Middle GA a couple years back. Some young guys who were vets and active duty decided to form a militia group. They stole some weapons and explosives from Ft. Stewart with the intent of launching what the media termed a terrorist attack on Ft. Stewart. They also had plans to assassinate President Obama, poison the apples in Washington State, release deadly chemicals in Atlanta, and bomb federal buildings in Atlanta. The three killed a soldier and his girlfriend. The guy and his gf were killed to protect the secrecy of the militia group, and he had planned to leave the group. One of the leaders of the group used the money from his dead wife’s insurance policy to purchase the chemicals, explosives, and weapons. His wife was pregnant at the time of her death. It was later determined that he used a choke-hold to kill her. They’re all behind bars and will likely die in prison, which is exactly where they belong.
nytimes.com

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Shimshon  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:57:51pm

re: #61 majii

I remember reading at SPLC how white nationalists have been recruiting vets to take advantage of their experience in the military, especially those well-versed in the use of explosives. We had an incident here in Middle GA a couple years back. Some young guys who were vets and active duty decided to form a militia group. They stole some weapons and explosives from Ft. Stewart with the intent of launching what the media termed a terrorist attack on Ft. Stewart. They also had plans to assassinate President Obama, poison the apples in Washington State, release deadly chemicals in Atlanta, and bomb federal buildings in Atlanta. The three killed a soldier and his girlfriend. The guy and his gf were killed to protect the secrecy of the militia group, and he had planned to leave the group. One of the leaders of the group used the money from his dead wife’s insurance policy to purchase the chemicals, explosives, and weapons. His wife was pregnant at the time of her death. It was later determined that he used a choke-hold to kill her. They’re all behind bars and will likely die in prison, which is exactly where they belong.
nytimes.com

I forgot about that, maybe a mental block because it was so horrible. Just sickening what we humans can do to each other.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 18, 2016 • 9:58:45pm

re: #56 teleskiguy

He is kind of an outlier.

Dark is an outlier as the blog appears now. He was an inlier before. But I will always give him credit for standing strong up against it every single day.

Now kit stories. As you well know, I got a rescue cat a couple of months ago. She’s pretty well acclimated to the house & routine. She lets me pet her occasionally & still I scare her with sudden movements. We’re getting there.

Today I left & had a cleaning lady come for a couple of hours. Screwed up Chica’s world. She was so timid coming out from under the bed upon my return. But she came out!

Now, she’s playing with this little puff toy around her scratch pole looking like the cat every person is the world wants.

:)))))

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majii  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:01:04pm

re: #39 Belafon

If they follow through with these plans, they could end up negatively impacting the rest of their lives with this BS. They’re young, some in college, and sooner or later they’ll want a decent job. What will Bernie Sanders tell them when future employers decide not to hire them because they have been in legal trouble? I think he should have told them a while back to pipe down and not to do this. He’ll probably be inside the convention hall while they’re out front showing their behinds to the world and getting locked up. I’m wondering if part of their protest plans include raising bail money. If not, it’s something they really should be thinking about.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:06:06pm

PHOENIX — Donald Trump ended a week of fundraising and campaigning across the country Saturday on self-congratulatory note, telling a crowd here: “I feel like a supermodel, except like times ten.”

“It’s true. I’m a supermodel. I’m on the cover of these magazines — I’m on the cover of the biggest magazines,” Trump told the crowd of around 4,500.

just cries out for a photoshop

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Kragar  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:06:55pm
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Stanley Sea  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:07:59pm
Chica

Not taking the time to rotate, because time.

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BeachDem  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:08:22pm

Just noticed I’m an hour past my two year anniversary posting here.

Thanks all, for intelligent, sane conversation, good music and some humor thrown in for helping to maintain sanity in the new Idiocracy of 2016.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:10:05pm

re: #68 BeachDem

Just noticed I’m an hour past my two year anniversary posting here.

Thanks all, for intelligent, sane conversation, good music and some humor thrown in for helping to maintain sanity in the new Idiocracy of 2016.

Happy Anniversary!!!! We are very glad you are here.

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Belafon  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:10:08pm

re: #66 Kragar

I was thinking more Dr. Frank-N-Furter.

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stpaulbear  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:10:10pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:11:21pm

re: #50 Shimshon

I never knew he had a reputation like that. Maybe Free Republic became too dull and he comes here?

No.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:13:28pm

re: #67 Stanley Sea

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Not taking the time to rotate, because time.

I’ve got nothing but time:

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Great White Snark  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:14:50pm

re: #5 Kragar

Well unless those drugs were also anti bacterial, the athletes maybe better off.

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stpaulbear  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:16:12pm

re: #67 Stanley Sea

A Tortie!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:17:11pm

re: #74 Great White Snark

Well unless those drugs were also anti bacterial, the athletes maybe better off.

Well, the ones canoeing in raw sewage can bring back enough diseases Russia won’t get slighted….

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Shimshon  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:17:48pm

After reading that story about the militia on the NYT there was this from today that caught my eye. Just infuriating.

A Saudi Imam, 2 Hijackers and Lingering 9/11 Mystery

nytimes.com

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:19:49pm

The nationalist right, has always dwelled in the realm of conspiracy theories and broad-stroked illogic. When the doors got truly flung open for that stuff to be mainstream, to be part of big-stage politics, they reasserted themselves. Lots of the conspiracy theories floated by the wingnuts—Gingrich pseudo-intellectual edition, Tea Party, or whatever the Trump-Lumpas are—derive their structure and content from old-school racist and anti-semitic materials. That people have worked backwards (thanks, internet!) and found the original materials, and found the original materials appealing, should not be surprising.

Most of the Islamic nonsense is reworked versions of blood libel and claims made about Jews. Those that evoke “political correctness” and “Cultural Marxism” are a barely-disguised rehash of JBS materials, which are a rehash of Kulturbolschewismus, which is rehash with minor variations of the fucking Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Those that evoke “world government” and/or “international banking” also pull from JBS materials, who got it from…the kind of people so scared of Communism (and The Wrong Kind of Jew) that they thought the Nazis had a point.

Nazis and wannabe-Nazis cropping up shouldn’t be shocking to anyone. The US right wing has been using more and more ingredients from the “ethnic nationalist” aisle of the supermarket.

Southern Strategy. “State’s rights” as dogwhistle. Motherfucking welfare queens and young bucks driving Cadillacs and eating t-bone steaks. “Political correctness” as AM radio subject. The entire ethnocentric, foreigner-hating demimonde of US apocalypse-prophecying Christianity becoming more and more a part of everyday political engagement. The simultaneous demand for and hate of cheap Latin American labor. Glenn Beck. Alex Jones. 95% by weight of FOX pundits’ output. Birtherism.

The vast and long arc of asserting the basic greatness of the USA…but only certain parts of the USA. Wink, wink.

There are people who’ve been raised on all the above. Why be shocked that they noticed the pattern match between the old material and the new?

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BeachDem  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:21:02pm

re: #69 Stanley Sea

Thanks—and I’m still happy we got to meet in meat world. (And someday, we WILL see JB together!)

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:21:25pm

Trump accuses Jeb Bush of plotting against him and appears to slam Cruz

I AM NOT A PARANOID SCHIZOPHRENIC

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:21:56pm

re: #77 Shimshon

After reading that story about the militia on the NYT there was this that caught my eye. Just infuriating. nytimes.com

The Saudi Government : Al Quaeda :: The Serbian Government : The Black Hand

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Shimshon  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:22:09pm

re: #78 The Ghost of a Flea

The nationalist right, has always dwelled in the realm of conspiracy theories and broad-stroked illogic. When the doors got truly flung open for that stuff to be mainstream, to be part of big-stage politics, they reasserted themselves. Lots of the conspiracy theories floated by the wingnuts—Gingrich pseudo-intellectual edition, Tea Party, or whatever the Trump-Lumpas are—derive their structure and content from old-school racist and anti-semitic materials. That people have worked backwards (thanks, internet!) and found the original materials, and found the original materials appealing, should not be surprising.

Most of the Islamic nonsense is reworked versions of blood libel and claims made about Jews. Those that evoke “political correctness” and “Cultural Marxism” are a barely-disguised rehash of JBS materials, which are a rehash of Kulturbolschewismus, which is rehash with minor variations of the fucking Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Those that evoke “world government” and/or “international banking” also pull from JBS materials, who got it from…the kind of people so scared of Communism (and The Wrong Kind of Jew) that they thought the Nazis had a point.

Nazis and wannabe-Nazis cropping up shouldn’t be shocking to anyone. The US right wing has been using more and more ingredients from the “ethnic nationalist” aisle of the supermarket.

Southern Strategy. “State’s rights” as dogwhistle. Motherfucking welfare queens and young bucks driving Cadillacs and eating t-bone steaks. “Political correctness” as AM radio subject. The entire ethnocentric, foreigner-hating demimonde of US apocalypse-prophecying Christianity becoming more and more a part of everyday political engagement. The simultaneously demand for and hate of cheap Latin American labor. Glenn Beck. Alex Jones. 95% by weight of FOX pundits’ output. Birtherism.

There are people who’ve been raised on all the above. Why be shocked that they noticed the pattern match between the old material and the new?

And to add on that, in Europe they think Jews are secretly behind the refugee crisis, wanting to “destroy” European culture. In America, the code word for hating Jews is just use the word “banker.”

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BeachDem  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:23:48pm

re: #71 stpaulbear

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Teukka  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:25:17pm

re: #78 The Ghost of a Flea

The nationalist right, has always dwelled in the realm of conspiracy theories and broad-stroked illogic. When the doors got truly flung open for that stuff to be mainstream, to be part of big-stage politics, they reasserted themselves. Lots of the conspiracy theories floated by the wingnuts—Gingrich pseudo-intellectual edition, Tea Party, or whatever the Trump-Lumpas are—derive their structure and content from old-school racist and anti-semitic materials. That people have worked backwards (thanks, internet!) and found the original materials, and found the original materials appealing, should not be surprising.

Most of the Islamic nonsense is reworked versions of blood libel and claims made about Jews. Those that evoke “political correctness” and “Cultural Marxism” are a barely-disguised rehash of JBS materials, which are a rehash of Kulturbolschewismus, which is rehash with minor variations of the fucking Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Those that evoke “world government” and/or “international banking” also pull from JBS materials, who got it from…the kind of people so scared of Communism (and The Wrong Kind of Jew) that they thought the Nazis had a point.

Nazis and wannabe-Nazis cropping up shouldn’t be shocking to anyone. The US right wing has been using more and more ingredients from the “ethnic nationalist” aisle of the supermarket.

Southern Strategy. “State’s rights” as dogwhistle. Motherfucking welfare queens and young bucks driving Cadillacs and eating t-bone steaks. “Political correctness” as AM radio subject. The entire ethnocentric, foreigner-hating demimonde of US apocalypse-prophecying Christianity becoming more and more a part of everyday political engagement. The simultaneously demand for and hate of cheap Latin American labor. Glenn Beck. Alex Jones. 95% by weight of FOX pundits’ output. Birtherism.

There are people who’ve been raised on all the above. Why be shocked that they noticed the pattern match between the old material and the new?

But instead of noticing the pattern that both are bogus, they think both are true.

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Kragar  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:25:42pm
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kirkspencer  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:28:28pm

re: #61 majii

If you’ll forgive just-before-bed natterings from an old man, the military has taken in the ‘wrong sorts’ for most of its history, in times of war and times of, well, no official wars.

In the 80s (when I served) there was - just for an example - a young man on my pathfinder team who was in the army because it was that or go to prison, per the judge’s order. There were several racists. The crips and bloods were present. And that was just while I was in.

And there’s always been this dark side of the nation that’s used the skills learned to threaten the good of this nation - from Shay’s rebellion through Forrest’s Klan through McVeigh’s firecracker and on into today.

So I’m a little unswayed by the claims that it’s a new phenomenon, or worse.

At the same time, I note that the majority of my fellow veterans, flawed though we are, aren’t that. So I’m also a little annoyed at blanket claims of blood-crazed wildness.

In the end, I ask for a little less hyperbole, a little more recognition of history and human nature, and trust that for most of us we’re just flawed souls trying to do the right thing - veteran or not.

And with that, my eyes are finally drooping so I’m off to bed. My apologies for the rant and run.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:29:22pm

OK, I’m pretty sure the @chuckcj0hnson account is the prime and the rest are socks. It’s the only one that has a tweet more recent than a few hours ago.

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Great White Snark  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:29:49pm

re: #86 kirkspencer

Well said. From a fellow old man.

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BeachDem  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:30:00pm

re: #84 Teukka

But instead of noticing the pattern that both are bogus, they think both are true.

In honor of disgust at Gingrich calling for reinstating HUAC, I watched “Trumbo” last night. Yeah, Newt—great idea—let’s do that again, asshole.

(Good movie, btw—re-confirmed that John Wayne was an asshole and that Kirk Douglas, among others, was a good guy.)

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:33:59pm

re: #86 kirkspencer

If you’ll forgive just-before-bed natterings from an old man, the military has taken in the ‘wrong sorts’ for most of its history, in times of war and times of, well, no official wars.

In the 80s (when I served) there was - just for an example - a young man on my pathfinder team who was in the army because it was that or go to prison, per the judge’s order. There were several racists. The crips and bloods were present. And that was just while I was in.

And there’s always been this dark side of the nation that’s used the skills learned to threaten the good of this nation - from Shay’s rebellion through Forrest’s Klan through McVeigh’s firecracker and on into today.

So I’m a little unswayed by the claims that it’s a new phenomenon, or worse.

At the same time, I note that the majority of my fellow veterans, flawed though we are, aren’t that. So I’m also a little annoyed at blanket claims of blood-crazed wildness.

In the end, I ask for a little less hyperbole, a little more recognition of history and human nature, and trust that for most of us we’re just flawed souls trying to do the right thing - veteran or not.

And with that, my eyes are finally drooping so I’m off to bed. My apologies for the rant and run.

If you remember Breaker Morant, the cause of that case is that the South African War was the first time the British had ever sent so many men overseas, and they were forced to recruit from men other than the highest classes (for the officer corps) and the absolute lowest (for the rank-and-file). They started getting middle-class tradesmen and professionals who felt they could think for themselves.

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Shimshon  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:34:14pm

re: #86 kirkspencer

In the 80s (when I served) there was - just for an example - a young man on my pathfinder team who was in the army because it was that or go to prison, per the judge’s order.

I was going to guess that kid was Track Palin but your “in the 80’s” ruined it. D’oh.

My blanket statement was that there are a lot of bad people and with lowered standards for a decade it is worse than it used to be. I don’t know why this is controversial.

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William Lewis  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:35:30pm

re: #50 Shimshon

DF is a decent person who is too loyal, especially to his family and his family’s view of partisan politics, for his own good. Usually his heart is in the right place but his buttons can be easily pushed. But when he takes the time to think things through, he has a strong sense of social justice and will do the right thing. I expect he’ll even eventually, in the privacy of the voting booth, make a mark for Clinton because even if she were as bad as the right wing says, she’s still far better for America than Trump. Not that he’ll admit nor will I ever ask, but I have faith in him doing what is right.

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majii  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:38:35pm

re: #86 kirkspencer

Sorry if you got the impression that my post was blaming everyone in the military or every vet. That was not my intent. I was just sharing something I’d read a few years ago on the SPLC blog. Four of my six brothers are/were vets, and none of them joined up with extremist groups either when the were active duty or vets.

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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:39:37pm

re: #87 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

OK, I’m pretty sure the @chuckcj0hnson account is the prime and the rest are socks. It’s the only one that has a tweet more recent than a few hours ago.

That’s exactly my suspicion.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:41:06pm

re: #73 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’ve got nothing but time:

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smooch!

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Stanley Sea  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:42:19pm

re: #75 stpaulbear

A Tortie!

Yup, my babe. She is extremely vocal.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:42:44pm

It’s been much quieter than the first two recurrences of Rage Furby. Maybe he exhausted himself with the first account, and has to recuperate. This new account (I’ll call it the zero account, for the 0 in his surname) is low energy. No entertainment value. Sad!

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electrotek  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:43:32pm
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Stanley Sea  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:43:43pm

re: #79 BeachDem

Thanks—and I’m still happy we got to meet in meat world. (And someday, we WILL see JB together!)

YES. I’ll be back to MB during the holidays, so mark the calendar. Not sure Thanksgiving or Xmas yet.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:44:00pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:44:20pm

re: #95 Stanley Sea

smooch!

No problemo. I’m not “Aware of all internet traditions”, so I didn’t know if misappropriating somebody else’s photo like that was a no-no or not. :-)

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Stanley Sea  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:44:40pm

re: #83 BeachDem

I love Madonna. Took me back.

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electrotek  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:45:21pm

re: #83 BeachDem

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Even though I can’t stand Madonna these days, can’t deny that her past catalogue is impressive.

Strike a pose!

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Shimshon  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:48:53pm

re: #92 William Lewis

DF is a decent person who is too loyal, especially to his family and his family’s view of partisan politics, for his own good. Usually his heart is in the right place but his buttons can be easily pushed. But when he takes the time to think things through, he has a strong sense of social justice and will do the right thing. I expect he’ll even eventually, in the privacy of the voting booth, make a mark for Clinton because even if she were as bad as the right wing says, she’s still far better for America than Trump. Not that he’ll admit nor will I ever ask, but I have faith in him doing what is right.

I have come across people like that, and I have seen that no matter what they will say in public in a debate, when they get in the voting booth it will be a vote for the Republican because that’s what they were taught growing up. They try and come across as moderate intellectuals when debating but old habits die hard.

One nice thing about this website that is different from sadly all others these days, is your post isn’t followed by angry posters saying SJW like it’s an insult. Although before SJW was invented as an insult we’d all be called “fags.” Progress!

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Stanley Sea  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:49:02pm

re: #83 BeachDem

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And that is such a pretty video.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:51:54pm

Sociopath much?

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Belafon  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:52:39pm

re: #100 goddamnedfrank

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How do you expect the revolution to continue if people vote for Democrats? ////

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Stanley Sea  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:53:25pm

re: #96 Stanley Sea

Yup, my babe. She is extremely vocal.

She’s staring at the front door now. ?

It’s past our bedtime.

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BeachDem  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:54:29pm

re: #99 Stanley Sea

YES. I’ll be back to MB during the holidays, so mark the calendar. Not sure Thanksgiving or Xmas yet.

Hope it’s Xmas as I head north for Thanksgiving. But we’ll work something out.

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Shimshon  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:54:31pm

re: #106 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Sociopath much?

This guy is fast approaching destructive Breitbart cokehead levels. At least he didn’t create a huge horrible right wing media empire that will live past his death.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:55:16pm

re: #106 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Sociopath much?

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Delusions of grandeur & all that.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:55:29pm

re: #100 goddamnedfrank

Most of the dudes in that room are probably just there for the one in a trillion shot at getting to bone Rosario. I on the other hand was once married to “hot and crazy” so my immunity is built up.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:57:25pm

And with that, I’m out for the night!

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teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:58:15pm

re: #111 Stanley Sea

Delusions of grandeur & all that.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 18, 2016 • 10:59:55pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

Most of the dudes in that room are probably just there for the one in a trillion shot at getting to bone Rosario. I on the other hand was once married to “hot and crazy” so my immunity is built up.

Shit! I just realized I’ve been seeing the name Rosario Dawson all this time and picturing Rosie Perez. Glad I’m over that.

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BeachDem  Jun 18, 2016 • 11:08:39pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

Most of the dudes in that room are probably just there for the one in a trillion shot at getting to bone Rosario. I on the other hand was once married to “hot and crazy” so my immunity is built up.

And, if they ever even get there, will probably be as good at navigating around Philadelphia as the loons who went to DC for wingnut marches were at navigating the Metro.

I hope they’re planning on taking some big bucks with them—the hotels that are booked for the convention delegates are averaging about $400 a night.

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MsJ  Jun 18, 2016 • 11:15:35pm

re: #111 Stanley Sea

Delusions of grandeur & all that.

Delusions of adequacy.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 18, 2016 • 11:18:48pm

I’m just hoping the Democratic convention turns out to be a little less of a shitshow than the GOP one. The ‘68 Democratic convention and the reaction to losing discredited the left in this country for two generations. If only this campaign and the absolute freakout when they lose does the same for the right.

I’ve had an acid stomach worrying about President Obama’s safety for 7 1/2 years—I’m even more worried about President Clinton (II).

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Anymouse  Jun 18, 2016 • 11:19:26pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

Hey Perkowski, the Nazis you admire hated Polish people like you. Hitler though people with names like yours were fit for slave labor and you actually like that paper-hanging son-of-a-bitch? Boyo, you are dumber than shit!

/rant off

Sorry, but seeing someone that ignorant of history just trips my trigger.

When my wife and I went to Gdansk, Poland last year, my wife asked me if I wanted to visit the Nazi death camp outside of Gdansk (the first such camp outside Germany), where some of my family that didn’t flee to the United States (illegally, Poles were not allowed to immigrate in the USA at that time) wound up.

I passed. I did not want to tour a death camp that held my family.

This wingnut Nazi-wannabe is a fool. (I suppose he is probably one of those that deny the Holocaust ever happened, or if it doesn’t, Jews, Poles, atheists, gays, disabled, &c deserved it.)

I was just reading the long history of neo-Nazi organisations on the Southern Poverty Law Center Website. It seems from the history they have painstakingly compiled, the National Alliance (once one of the most violent such organisations, now only a shadow of itself) was formed from Alabama Governor George Wallace’s Youth alliance when he was campaigning for President. After Wallace lost the election, a large portion of his youth alliance formed NA, which has inspired (if that is the right word) other such neo-Nazi groups since.

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Anymouse  Jun 18, 2016 • 11:26:39pm

re: #13 Shimshon

Another ex-military turns out to be a Neo Nazi. More unintended consequences from the Bush wars. Hiring hundreds of thousands of lunatics and then setting them free on society with mental issues.

The overwhelming majority of former military personnel, whether they hold liberal or conservative views, are patriotic and upstanding citizens.

Though I won’t downding you, I do take such a post as a personal insult to three generations of my family that faithfully served in the Armed Forces (and sometimes gave up their lives).

The sling at the mentally ill (and this guy is not mentally ill, he is a wannabe terrorist) is also uncalled for; the mentally ill are overwhelmingly victims of violence in our country, not perpetrators.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2016 • 11:26:50pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 18, 2016 • 11:27:29pm
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electrotek  Jun 18, 2016 • 11:30:56pm

The video from upset conservative Muslims attacking Radiohead fans in Istanbul:

Beyoğlu’nda Taşlı Sopalı Ramazan Linci

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 18, 2016 • 11:34:29pm

OK, this guy is also not too self-aware. He’s a pal of Rage Furby, who has done all these things online.

He’s just mad because Gawker went after white guys, and not everyone else like Rage Furby does.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 18, 2016 • 11:38:35pm

BBL

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 18, 2016 • 11:45:30pm

Snark pales before reality.

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Kragar  Jun 18, 2016 • 11:48:28pm

re: #100 goddamnedfrank

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Anymouse  Jun 18, 2016 • 11:58:51pm

splcenter.org

Looking at the SPLC Hate Watch map (linked above), it looks like Nebraska is pretty quiet compared to other places. Maybe it’s living too close to the ocean that does it /s.

We have five groups: One is a bookstore so I don’t know whether that qualifies as a “group” as such. Two other neo-Nazi groups, a Black Nationalist church in Omaha, and the wingnut Christian Identity church up the road from my house (I am on their radar because I am just about everything they hate in a local politician: atheist, Polish-American, liberal, uphold the Constitution over the Bible in law, support marriage equality, all those things I’ve written in the newspaper, &c).

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2016 • 12:04:18am
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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2016 • 12:04:32am

Current temperature in Phoenix, AZ … 93° F

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Anymouse  Jun 19, 2016 • 12:11:00am

re: #130 teleskiguy

Current temperature in Phoenix, AZ … 93° F

Wow. Just looked at the Weather Service page, predicting 120°F in the parts of the desert Southwest Sunday through Wednesday. Yow.

Here it is 68° in the Nebraska Panhandle. I don’t have a big enough fan to blow it that far.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 19, 2016 • 12:15:29am

re: #131 Anymouse

Wow. Just looked at the Weather Service page, predicting 120°F in the parts of the desert Southwest Sunday through Wednesday. Yow.

Here it is 68° in the Nebraska Panhandle. I don’t have a big enough fan to blow it that far.

It’s not even 68º here—but we have to keep our windows closed during the day because they’re painting the building, so my fan’s getting a workout!

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2016 • 12:20:52am

re: #120 Anymouse

The overwhelming majority of former military personnel, whether they hold liberal or conservative views, are patriotic and upstanding citizens.

Though I won’t downding you, I do take such a post as a personal insult to three generations of my family that faithfully served in the Armed Forces (and sometimes gave up their lives).

The sling at the mentally ill (and this guy is not mentally ill, he is a wannabe terrorist) is also uncalled for; the mentally ill are overwhelmingly victims of violence in our country, not perpetrators.

My kids will break a chain of four generations of all of the family members serving in the military (when they do veterans day at my kid’s schools, my kids take about 15 names with them, and we don’t even have to go back to WWI). Acknowledging that Bush fucked up the military by going into a stupid war and hiring less than adequate members to fill the ranks is not a ding all of the military or even most of its members. Its a ding on Bush and those who chose to use their time in the service, and the skills they received, to do a disservice to this country by being racists and threatening the country.

The military is not a talisman and is not immune from criticism. A person serving in the military isn’t a saint. I don’t think anyone here believes that the military is evil, and we’re all certainly smart enough not to associate one soldier or sailors actions with the rest of the service, during or after they get out.

So, please, stop trying to shut down any conversation about military members with the sacrifice of your family. Your families sacrifice is great, and is a credit to them. There are also plenty of military people here, plenty of people with family members that are in or have been in the military, and we’re all pretty good at knowing that one bad soldier or sailor does not represent the rest of the military. It’s important, though, that we discuss the fact that some military people are getting out and then joining militias that are set up to oppose the very government they promised to serve and protect.

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2016 • 12:21:03am

Yeah, this guy’s got it all figured out.

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Anymouse  Jun 19, 2016 • 12:23:26am

re: #132 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It’s not even 68º here—but we have to keep our windows closed during the day because they’re painting the building, so my fan’s getting a workout!

My air conditioner threw a motor bearing, so our fans have been getting a workout in the daytime. Now, not so much though it is very humid outside. I need to go over to Oshkosh and buy a new one.

Just got back from the park hoisting the state flag (the village only flies the state flag on Federal or state observances, or on Presidential or state proclamations because state flags are expensive).

Happy Father’s Day everyone. Of course if you have children you don’t get a break from them, but still… .

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2016 • 12:23:53am

re: #134 teleskiguy

Not creepy at all. No sireee. Just a light-hearted joke.

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Kragar  Jun 19, 2016 • 12:27:28am

re: #134 teleskiguy

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Anymouse  Jun 19, 2016 • 12:38:13am

re: #133 Belafon

Not trying to shut down conversation.

I was a Navy recruiter in the run-up to the Persian Gulf war under GHW Bush. One thing we didn’t do was recruit unstable people. As for the GW Bush administration I cannot say, but the Navy did not change its standards so I am guessing not.

You are right, the military is not immune to criticism. The military should be under constant scrutiny, as it is subservient to the civilian government and the people.

There are people who in the military, or were in the military in the past, commit criminal acts. Just like civilians do, and about the same percentage.

However, what you wrote way up at the top of the page:

Another ex-military turns out to be a Neo Nazi.

The qualification it was somehow George W. Bush’s fault doesn’t really remove the implication that somehow the military generates more neo-Nazis (or recruits them).

SPLC notes that some groups like them try to identify and recruit ex-military personnel. I suppose that is true of any anti-government organisation (sovereign citizens, criminal gangs, the Democratic Party, Union-Pacific Railroad).

The loading of your sentence is what got me.

Imagine my surprise, a neo-Nazi turned out to be another ex-military person.

Would the sentence be better if it read

Another New Yorker turned out to be a neo-Nazi?
Another Christian turned out to be a neo-Nazi?
&c.

The military didn’t turn him into a neo-Nazi, and for whatever his faults, President Bush did not seek out neo-Nazis. The guy would have likely turned to that ideology anyway.

And no, the military shouldn’t be worshipped, as you implied in your last post. Treated fairly and equally, sure, like everyone else. But the “wow, I’m so not surprised this ex-military guy was a neo-Nazi” is not much different than “wow, I’m not surprised that a Mexican was a rapist or drug mule.” The group is different, but the phrasing is the same as Donald Trump’s.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Jun 19, 2016 • 12:47:34am

re: #55 Shimshon

That’s good news. I like to lurk on Fark and a year ago there was a user there who posted some quotes of Freepers once in a while. I think “Freep Impact” or something. That was very disturbing.

They had to stop, but in its stead the Freeper Madness blog was started that included the craziest and worst of Freepers - I’m just glad they go to that cesspool where I don’t have to.

vikingkitties.blogspot.com

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Anymouse  Jun 19, 2016 • 12:48:33am

re: #139 Bill and Opus for 2016!

They take hits for the team so we don’t have to?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2016 • 3:02:28am

re: #134 teleskiguy

Yeah, this guy’s got it all figured out.

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The Chuck News Network — all people outed all the time

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2016 • 3:03:10am

re: #136 teleskiguy

Not creepy at all. No sireee. Just a light-hearted joke.

Those victims have been silenced, apparently.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2016 • 3:22:43am

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Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2016 • 3:42:09am

re: #138 Anymouse

My understanding was that all branches of military, but mainly the Army and Marines, did reduce their standards during the Iraq War because they were unable to get enough people to sign-up. This included overlooking gang affiliations and some misdemeanor criminal convictions.

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Thanos  Jun 19, 2016 • 3:49:00am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Amazing how fast the alt-right goons respond to me on Twitter these days.

If you are wondering “why Reinecke?” this could be the reason:

Herman Reinecke was a Nazi war criminal responsible for the POW plan resulting in millions of Soviet deatsh during WWII

“The Bolshevist soldier has therefore lost all claim to treatment as an honourable opponent, in accordance with the Geneva Convention (…) The order for ruthless and energetic action must be given at the slightest indication of insubordination, especially in the case of Bolshevist fanatics. Insubordination, active or passive resistance, must be broken immediately by force of arms (bayonets, butts and firearms) … Anyone carrying out the order who does not use his weapons, or does so with insufficient energy, is punishable (…) Prisoners of war attempting escape are to be fired on without previous challenge. No warning shot must ever be fired…. The use of arms against prisoners of war is as a rule legal.”[

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Dave In Austin  Jun 19, 2016 • 3:59:53am

re: #144 Timothy Watson

When I was in during the 70’s Judges were sentencing non violent offenders into the service right and left…

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Teukka  Jun 19, 2016 • 4:05:49am

re: #145 Thanos

If you are wondering “why Reinecke?” this could be the reason:

Herman Reinecke was a Nazi war criminal responsible for the POW plan resulting in millions of Soviet deatsh during WWII

Seems like a nice guy ///

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 19, 2016 • 4:06:59am

re: #146 Dave In Austin

When I was in during the 70’s Judges were sentencing non violent offenders into the service right and left…

Probably more efficient than “Bilko’s Army” from the 50s at that….

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Kragar  Jun 19, 2016 • 4:15:49am

re: #146 Dave In Austin

Best Staff Sgt I knew swore he only enlisted because he got busted for growing pot and was given the choice of enlistment or jail.

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Ming5000  Jun 19, 2016 • 4:42:22am

re: #4 teleskiguy

My surprised face.

I play Candy Crush while in the stall. :-)

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Dave In Austin  Jun 19, 2016 • 5:14:57am

re: #149 Kragar

Some guys found their way there. No doubt about it. I had the opportunity to fly helicopters but young, dumb,…… One of those “Wish I Woulda” deals.

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Nyet  Jun 19, 2016 • 5:15:46am

re: #10 CuriousLurker

Yeah, Putin has a sad: Russian athletes ban is ‘unfair’, says Vladimir Putin - BBC News

LOL, maybe shouldn’t have doped your athletes before that.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2016 • 5:41:00am

re: #146 Dave In Austin

When I was in during the 70’s Judges were sentencing non violent offenders into the service right and left…

That was the draft army, and a rather regional practice. The all-volunteer forces wanted the best they could afford, though there was some relaxation in the form of “Moral Waivers” available to the recruiting command. I worked daily with soldiers at all levels for 30-odd years. The people we had at the end were clearly more trustworthy than my draft intake from 1965.

While the military reflects the low-opportunity part of society, and always has, the statements that started this threadlet were “inartful”.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 19, 2016 • 5:53:43am

re: #153 Decatur Deb

I was in 75 - 78. Post VM. I missed being classified VM by one day. Lots of court deferred troopers that I new.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2016 • 5:58:42am

re: #154 Dave In Austin

I was in 75 - 78. Post VM. I missed being classified VM by one day. Lots of court deferred troopers that I new.

By 78, when I went DAC after grad school on the GI Bill, the army had decided it didn’t want to finish raising Mommy’s Little Problems. I got to see the changes the Vietnam FU and ever more complex weapons systems had created. My drill sergeant was a drunk. The new generation were teachers.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:03:27am

re: #155 Decatur Deb

That’s about right … The new Blackhawks were getting shown off at Rucker and the enlistments lengthened to 6 yrs when I got out.
I considered myself one of the last in the Steel Pot Army.

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darthstar  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:07:32am

It’s turning into quite the DIY weekend for me. Yesterday my wife said she thought we should pull a shrub or two from the back yard next time the gardener is around. I said I could do it, got my loppers out, and proceeded to cut it down to a root ball (yay, me!)…then she looks at the back of the house and says, “We should get a plant or something to put in front of all those cable wires coiled up on the wall.”

Feeling heroic, I said, “Oh, those? We don’t even need those! They’re hooked up to that Satellite dish on the roof and we have Comcast.” I then got out my wire cutters and proceeded to prune the nest of twin-pair coaxial cables from the wall, removed the junction box(es there were two of them), and pulled the wires going under the house until they were taught and went, SNIP!, SNIP!, SNIP! Hang on…that was three snips, not two, and one of those snips was a single-strand coaxial cable.

I then looked up and realized Comcast had piggybacked on the satellite cables and patched in so they wouldn’t have to rewire the house. Fuck.

So, yeah…now I get to wait for Ace to open, go buy a bunch of Coaxial cable, and crawl under the house to splice it back together before the Warriors-Cavs game 7 tonight.

My wife said, “We really have no TV? I just wanted a plant.”

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darthstar  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:08:11am

At least I didn’t cut the Internet. That comes into the house on a different wall.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:10:40am

re: #124 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

They are so clueless about that Constitution they claim to care so much about.

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:13:43am

I’ve been watching the 24 hours of LeMans. The one Toyota lead pretty much the full 24 hours with one of the Porsches holding fourth, then third, then second as others fell out.

With 3 minutes to go, literally the last lap (it’s a timed race) the Toyota pulled up lame on the front straight and the Porsche came by to lead the last lap and take the win.

24 hours…3 minutes short. The Toyota crew and drivers are totally crushed. The Porsche team ecstatic.

Great drama. And just think, I could watch all 24 hours on a computer screen! And you never count Porsche out of an endurance race.

By the way, the technology of the cars is fascinating. The Porsche engine is a tiny little thing with turbo charging. The car stores energy from the engine revolutions, the turbo spinning and the wheels going ‘round and ‘round all to be used to drive front and rear axle electric motors that combine with the little turbo to make one fast and very torquey car. Racing for future greener hybrid cars.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:16:21am

re: #159 GlutenFreeJesus

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They are so clueless about that Constitution they claim to care so much about.

If I hear one more damned complaint about nero’s fucking blue check mark, I’m gonna toss something across the room. He still has an account. He can still tweet. The check mark is just a sign from Twitter that you’re like super famous and important and shit. He needs to deal with the concept that he’s not super famous and important and shit.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:17:04am

re: #160 ObserverArt

You should get points for each lap you lead. ;)

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:18:05am

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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:18:40am

re: #156 Dave In Austin

That’s about right … The new Blackhawks were getting shown off at Rucker and the enlistments lengthened to 6 yrs when I got out.
I considered myself one of the last in the Steel Pot Army.

Was assigned to Mother or Picatinny for most of my time, but kept volunteering for overseas tours to stay real. Still get my hair cut at Mr. Yi’s.

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jeffreyw  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:24:15am

testing…

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MsJ  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:25:25am

re: #133 Belafon

My kids will break a chain of four generations of all of the family members serving in the military (when they do veterans day at my kid’s schools, my kids take about 15 names with them, and we don’t even have to go back to WWI). Acknowledging that Bush fucked up the military by going into a stupid war and hiring less than adequate members to fill the ranks is not a ding all of the military or even most of its members. Its a ding on Bush and those who chose to use their time in the service, and the skills they received, to do a disservice to this country by being racists and threatening the country.

The military is not a talisman and is not immune from criticism. A person serving in the military isn’t a saint. I don’t think anyone here believes that the military is evil, and we’re all certainly smart enough not to associate one soldier or sailors actions with the rest of the service, during or after they get out.

So, please, stop trying to shut down any conversation about military members with the sacrifice of your family. Your families sacrifice is great, and is a credit to them. There are also plenty of military people here, plenty of people with family members that are in or have been in the military, and we’re all pretty good at knowing that one bad soldier or sailor does not represent the rest of the military. It’s important, though, that we discuss the fact that some military people are getting out and then joining militias that are set up to oppose the very government they promised to serve and protect.

I’d go further in saying I’d bet every last one of us supports the military in real ways, we want improvements in VA healthcare, COLA increases…general wage increase!

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jeffreyw  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:25:30am

testing…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:26:49am
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jeffreyw  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:27:04am

Hmmm… I’m linking to Imgur images but an unknown to me image is what posts.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:28:15am

re: #163 SoundGuy 2016

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He is so not self-aware.

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MsJ  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:29:12am

re: #134 teleskiguy

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:29:24am

re: #16 Dark_Falcon

Slurring the military won’t get on my good side, chum. In fact, it’ll tick me off fast.

downding.

He is slurring the assholes who mislead and betrayed our military and our nation.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:30:07am

I think Chuck is rotating among his sockpuppet accounts.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:32:08am

Charming as ever. I guess he needed a day to work up some clever comebacks.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:33:10am

re: #134 teleskiguy

Please don’t alert CNN that I am killing their business model. I like my victims sleeping.

I assume that he slips his wife sedatives before sex…

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:33:35am

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

Hey Perkowski, the Nazis you admire hated Polish people like you. Hitler though people with names like yours were fit for slave labor and you actually like that paper-hanging son-of-a-bitch? Boyo, you are dumber than shit!

/rant off

Sorry, but seeing someone that ignorant of history just trips my trigger.

I feel the same way about British neo-Nazis; when my mother was a little girl she had to hide in bomb shelters during the Blitz while the Nazis were bombing the crap out of England. They are scum.

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jeffreyw  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:33:54am

Flickr

Yay! Flickr images work! Happy Father’s Day!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:33:55am

Floorshitters, perhaps?

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:34:43am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Amazing how fast the alt-right goons respond to me on Twitter these days.

Don’t they know you are irrelevant?/

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MsJ  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:35:08am

re: #163 SoundGuy 2016

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:37:21am

re: #180 MsJ

It just proves my view about how Western culture has fallen to the point where free speech is bad cuz it hurts losers feelings.

It is not legally banned or censored. That is one of the biggest straw men to be thrown up by anti-PC MRAs. It might be banned by private entities, who, in doing so, are simply exercising their own freedom of speech and association

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:37:46am

re: #175 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I assume that he slips his wife sedatives before sex…

I think she falls asleep during sex. :P

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:40:12am

Blue Origin webcast starts in five minutes. Fourth launch of the same vehicle. Deliberate one-out-of-three parachute failure.

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MsJ  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:40:33am

re: #181 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is not legally banned or censored. That is one of the biggest straw men to be thrown up by anti-PC MRAs. It might be banned by private entities, who, in doing so, are simply exercising their own freedom of speech and association

They refuse to acknowledge that being an asshole isn’t a guaranteed right and is not consequence free. I’d feel sorry for them…if they weren’t such assholes.

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darthstar  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:41:54am

re: #178 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Floorshitters, perhaps?

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Chuck shops at Walmart, apparently.

Poop on floor at Walmart

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:47:55am

re: #185 darthstar

Chuck shops at Walmart, apparently.

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The thing about the whole floor shitting thing is his sensitivity to it, and all the bullshit he throws at the rumor. At first, he’d say something like, it never happened, I was a boring guy in school, so I wish I had done it. Then he outright denied it, and said he would never do such a thing. Then he said it was someone else. Then it was a classmate or friend who was really sick. Now it’s a fellow student who was on death’s door and Chuck saved his life.

The more he embellishes the story, the less people believe him. Going after Gawker, who after all concluded it never happened, was a big tactical error, especially when he asked for such an exorbitant amount of damages. It was like drawing a big red circle around the rumors, with a big red arrow pointing at it, saying “This didn’t happen!!”

Dufus.

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darthstar  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:50:21am

re: #186 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

At least he’s providing fodder for gotnwes.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:54:11am

re: #187 darthstar

At least he’s providing fodder for gotnwes.

Jeez. There are days when I wish I’d never started it. Some of his shit is just so creepy I can’t go near it.

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darthstar  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:54:30am

Crushing him.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:55:12am

Chuck’s rotated images for his sock accounts inspired me.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:57:13am

re: #189 darthstar

Still way too close.

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darthstar  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:57:18am

re: #189 darthstar

Crushing him.

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darthstar  Jun 19, 2016 • 6:57:59am

re: #191 GlutenFreeJesus

Still way too close.

That’s just among Republicans, I’m pretty sure.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:01:01am

re: #189 darthstar

Crushing him.

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“Polls with partisan sponsors are excluded”, but they include Rasmussen?! WTF?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:04:33am

CONGRATULATIONS NANA HILLARY!

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:08:35am

re: #118 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’m just hoping the Democratic convention turns out to be a little less of a shitshow than the GOP one. The ‘68 Democratic convention and the reaction to losing discredited the left in this country for two generations. If only this campaign and the absolute freakout when they lose does the same for the right.

I’ve had an acid stomach worrying about President Obama’s safety for 7 1/2 years—I’m even more worried about President Clinton (II).

I think it will be fine. These days protestors are sent off to free speech zones far from the Convention. And I am very confident that Clinton and Sanders will reach an accommodation before the Convention so his delegates won’t be a problem either.

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Nyet  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:08:36am

Oh, you are sooo progressive you can’t be a bigoted asshole. Right?

Feminist Doesn’t Feel Bad About Toddler Alligator Death Because Father Was ‘White’

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Nyet  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:09:27am
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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:12:00am

re: #198 Nyet

Yikes. That person needs help.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:13:17am

New Shepard launch apparently delayed—looks like about 7:36 Pacific now. The webcast did finally start.

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darthstar  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:13:32am
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darthstar  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:14:51am

Okay, I suck at photoshop. But the NYT got the colors right.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:17:34am

re: #196 Big Beautiful Door

The thing with Bernie. He can’t control his followers. They’ll turn on him at the flip of a switch.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:18:30am

re: #203 GlutenFreeJesus

The thing with Bernie. He can’t control his followers. They’ll turn on him at the flip of a switch.

they are not following Bernie as a person, they are following some wild idealistic dream that they see Bernie as personifying

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:23:11am

re: #204 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Exactly. The moment he actually drops out and offers any kind of support for her, whether he means it or not, they’ll turn on him.

He knows this. This is a big part of why he’s still hanging on. He’s enjoying being in control of so many people.

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Great White Snark  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:25:44am
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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:32:06am

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darthstar  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:34:15am

re: #207 SoundGuy 2016

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:34:26am

re: #207 SoundGuy 2016

He’s doing the “Twitter is violating my free speech rights which I why I am on it tweeting and using it now.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:34:45am
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CarolJ  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:34:46am

Yes, there’s five months to go-but looka the margin in Georgia. 4 point difference means that the state can flip under the right circumstances. If Trump self-immolates, Georgia goes blue for the first time since Jimmy Carter.

And Obama won North Carolina the first time, so that’s not out of reach either. While anything can happen, Trump isn’t going to have enough resources to defend if Hillary makes a go for either-and she just might if she locks down enough blue states by 10+ margins by August.

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darthstar  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:35:06am

re: #209 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He’s doing the “Twitter is violating my free speech rights which I why I am on it tweeting and using it now.”

He’s wrong on so many levels.

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MsJ  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:35:16am

re: #207 SoundGuy 2016

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MsJ  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:37:02am

re: #212 darthstar

He’s wrong on so many levels.

He’s a moron on so many levels. Ignorance of epic proportions.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:37:47am

I’m sure in his mind doxxing is free speech.

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Nyet  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:38:35am
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Nyet  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:40:03am

Feeling the Bern yet?

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CarolJ  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:41:22am

All this Twitter whining is annoyingly millennial for me. When I was growing up (get off my condo lawn) if you were blocked by one resource, you didn’t whine. Just got together and created your own outlets. Where do you think fanzines, pamphlets, and underground newspapers came from? Go to survivingfanzine(name of fanzine).com and find out what they were doing before the digital age. Not to mention mixtapes and underground cassettes of material that didn’t get onto the mainstream media. We took over old radio stations, created pirate radio, maybe had a UHF channel somewhere. And what’s more, none of this was free like Twitter and Facebook. We had to buy, rent or even steal resources to do this stuff. You folks are so lazy….and cheap.

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Nyet  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:42:16am
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Bass Reeves  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:45:28am

re: #61 majii

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:46:09am

The Clinton Foundation is obviously evil.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:46:44am

re: #206 Great White Snark

T-10

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Video

That was so cool!

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:47:57am

re: #206 Great White Snark

T-10

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Video

Wow. Looks like they got all of that right. Amazing how well the booster landed.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:49:47am

re: #206 Great White Snark

Amazing! I haven’t been this excited about space launches since the days of the Shuttles.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:50:05am

STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY==>
It is early so there will be MOAR STUPIDS

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:51:44am

re: #225 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY==>
It is early so there will be MOAR STUPIDS

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Yes. It is stupid. ::: eyeroll :::

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:51:50am

re: #218 CarolJ

All this Twitter whining is annoyingly millennial for me. When I was growing up (get off my condo lawn) if you were blocked by one resource, you didn’t whine. Just got together and created your own outlets. Where do you think fanzines, pamphlets, and underground newspapers came from? Go to survivingfanzine(name of fanzine).com and find out what they were doing before the digital age. Not to mention mixtapes and underground cassettes of material that didn’t get onto the mainstream media. We took over old radio stations, created pirate radio, maybe had a UHF channel somewhere. And what’s more, none of this was free like Twitter and Facebook. We had to buy, rent or even steal resources to do this stuff. You folks are so lazy….and cheap.

That’s why they are revolting!

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CarolJ  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:51:51am

re: #225 The Vicious Babushka Hope he enjoys that visit from the Secret Service.

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MsJ  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:52:24am

These Bernie people are off the charts looney tunes. If these people think they’re the base of the dem party, they’re nuts. I want nothing to do with whatever party they envision.

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MsJ  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:53:37am

re: #227 ObserverArt

That’s why they are revolting!

They’re definitely revolting people. Hateful and revolting.

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Jay C  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:54:21am

re: #219 Nyet

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“Useless AIDS drugs”??
WTF?
Some Evil Clinton CT I haven’t heard about?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:54:33am

re: #227 ObserverArt

That’s why they are revolting!

Yeah they stink on ice.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:55:11am

re: #218 CarolJ

All this Twitter whining is annoyingly millennial for me. When I was growing up (get off my condo lawn) if you were blocked by one resource, you didn’t whine. Just got together and created your own outlets. Where do you think fanzines, pamphlets, and underground newspapers came from? Go to survivingfanzine(name of fanzine).com and find out what they were doing before the digital age. Not to mention mixtapes and underground cassettes of material that didn’t get onto the mainstream media. We took over old radio stations, created pirate radio, maybe had a UHF channel somewhere. And what’s more, none of this was free like Twitter and Facebook. We had to buy, rent or even steal resources to do this stuff. You folks are so lazy….and cheap.

Word!

And really, losing Twitter access is not the end of the world. Chuck has a blog, which he doesn’t manage especially well, but it’s there. He has Facebook, as long as he doesn’t overstep their boundaries. And he’s supposedly got all these really smart and rich friends who could start a whole new Twitter just for misanthropic white boy fuckwads who would probably end up tearing each other apart (metaphorically speaking) within a few weeks.

He wants a free service to attract attention to his websites. If you notice, his accounts point to gotnewsdotcom and wesearchr, and he’s dropped his email addys here and there, too.

Cheapskate.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:55:51am

re: #223 ObserverArt

Wow. Looks like they got all of that right. Amazing how well the booster landed.

If only Yoot Oob would quit switching quality on me and freezing every few seconds. I can set it for anything I want and it won’t stay there—360p, 480p, 144p, 720p, then up to 1080p which I haven’t got the bandwidth for, then 144p again, freezing for 10 seconds each time. Were they this incompetent before Google got their poisonous claws into them? [/rant]

Great flight, though.

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Nyet  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:58:24am

re: #231 Jay C

wnd.com

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2016 • 7:58:53am

re: #234 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

If only Yoot Oob would quit switching quality on me and freezing every few seconds. I can set it for anything I want and it won’t stay there—360p, 480p, 144p, 720p, then up to 1080p which I haven’t got the bandwidth for, then 144p again, freezing for 10 seconds each time. Were they this incompetent before Google got their poisonous claws into them? [/rant]

Great flight, though.

I’m using Lantern, a free VPN for us people living behind national Internet blockades, and it’s been performing flawlessly for days now. It helps that I have a university Internet connection, of course, but usually free VPNs are slow as molasses on a cold day.

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:00:37am

re: #230 MsJ

They’re definitely revolting people. Hateful and revolting.

I love words with several definitions.

Bernie - Your revolution is revolting!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:01:43am

But guns are banned from all his rallys!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:02:50am
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Nyet  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:03:33am
Clinton said 9 million people have lower-cost HIV/AIDS medicine thanks to the efforts of the Clinton Foundation and her husband. Bill Clinton started the foundation and its first big project was the Clinton Health Access Initiative. The program focused on using market mechanisms to reduce treatment costs. Costs have fallen dramatically and the initiative remains a key global player in maintaining a steady supply of affordable drugs.

If anything, Clinton understated the number of people who have benefited from the program. We rate this claim True.

politifact.com

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CarolJ  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:04:01am

re: #233 wheat-dogghazi-mailgateI I used to have a radio show in the late 80’s. The reception went as far as the other side of town. And we only were able to have that because a bunch of old hippies took over a radio station back in the late 60’. And we had to help fundraise for the station and pay our own way to and from and for materials. Today, we could use Paypal just for our group expenses. We would have killed to have a website, access to e-mail, a chance to create podcasts. Twitter and a Facebook page would have for us been the cherry on the top of the icing of the cake.

I myself have a site with three blogs and it all costs less than $100 per year.

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Danack  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:04:46am

Trump: I Can Win It All Without GOP Support

Hey Look - A Whole Other Trump Disaster ….the Trump campaign estimates that it currently has a nationwide field staff of 30 people.

I still stand by my “Trump is going to increasingly desperately look for a way out of this”, but the above two links are good clues as to why the GOP ‘establishment’ is again going to look at getting rid of him.

Having a presidential candidate just not run a campaign, or even worse, run a campaign that actively drives people away, is going to cause a disaster for the down-ticket races.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:05:49am

re: #235 Nyet

wnd.com

Another example of berniebros repeating wingnut propaganda.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:06:06am

re: #242 Danack

Trump: I Can Win It All Without GOP Support

Hey Look - A Whole Other Trump Disaster ….the Trump campaign estimates that it currently has a nationwide field staff of 30 people.

I still stand by my “Trump is going to increasingly desperately look for a way out of this”, but the above two links are good clues as to why the GOP ‘establishment’ is again going to look at getting rid of him.

Having a presidential candidate just not run a campaign, or even worse, run a campaign that actively drives people away, is going to cause a disaster for the down-ticket races.

You say that like it was a bad thing.//

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Nyet  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:06:47am

re: #235 Nyet

Shorter Corsi: the CF was a partner of a then respected Indian drug manufacturer which later turned out to be untrustworthy therefore let’s ignore all the good the CF is doing and blame Hillary.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:07:05am

re: #241 CarolJ

I I used to have a radio show in the late 80’s. The reception went as far as the other side of town. And we only were able to have that because a bunch of old hippies took over a radio station back in the late 60’. And we had to help fundraise for the station and pay our own way to and from and for materials. Today, we could use Paypal just for our group expenses. We would have killed to have a website, access to e-mail, a chance to create podcasts. Twitter and a Facebook page would have for us been the cherry on the top of the icing of the cake.

I myself have a site with three blogs and it all costs less than $100 per year.

In the ’80s, a couple of friends and I started a film club, an idea I borrowed from when I lived in another small city. Every week, we’d watch a different classic movie, foreign and domestic, the kind you couldn’t find on broadcast or cable TV at the time. It was fun. It was a hassle, but it was fun.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:08:24am
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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:09:02am

re: #242 Danack

Trump: I Can Win It All Without GOP Support

Hey Look - A Whole Other Trump Disaster ….the Trump campaign estimates that it currently has a nationwide field staff of 30 people.

I still stand by my “Trump is going to increasingly desperately look for a way out of this”, but the above two links are good clues as to why the GOP ‘establishment’ is again going to look at getting rid of him.

Having a presidential candidate just not run a campaign, or even worse, run a campaign that actively drives people away, is going to cause a disaster for the down-ticket races.

The GOP establishment is going to continue to be completely ineffectual in its efforts to stop Trump. It can’t happen unless someone with national standing steps up to offer themselves as an alternative for the delegates to consider. Absolutely no signs exist that that is going to happen.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:09:57am

re: #247 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Tucker is an idiot. Killing 50 people with a crock pot is a helluva lot harder than with a semiautomatic firearm.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:10:38am

re: #242 Danack

Having a presidential candidate just not run a campaign, or even worse, run a campaign that actively drives people away, is going to cause a disaster for the down-ticket races.

Paul Ryan has already given the green light for candidates not to endorse Trump, which is basically just a souve que peu for GOP candidates to distance themselves from him if they think that is in their own interest.

Which should be a question asked of every single GOP candidate: “Do you support Donald Trump, and if so/if not, then WHY?”

It is a question that no candidate can answer resonably.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:11:35am

all it takes to stop a bad guy with a crock pot is a good guy with a crock pot

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:12:36am

re: #251 SoundGuy 2016

all it takes to stop a bad guy with a crock pot is a good guy with a crock pot

a crock pot filled with delicious food

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:15:04am

there’s an 8 hr waiting period for crock pots

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CarolJ  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:15:28am

All of the people talking about “other methods” like crockpots don’t realize how hard they really are. First, nothing is pre-assembled, or even-pregathered. You have to buy a lot of other parts that don’t come together very well, going from place to place to do it. Then you have to put stuff together at great personal risk (don’t read the directions right, fumble-fingered, stuff a little past its sell-by date, too impatient) then yo might not live to set things down in a selected spot. Not to mention other methods allow easier escape. Five people died at the Boston Marathon-10% of the Pulse club because many would-be victims were far enough away to run or simply move. An assault rifle is pre-assembled and easier to use-no planning needed. Also, since Tim McVeigh, explosives in this country have been increasingly on lockdown and available only for professionals. That is real ones-not fireworks and such.

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Jay C  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:15:46am

re: #235 Nyet

wnd.com

OK then: Jerome Corsi writing for WND!
Guess that confirms it: after all, they wouldn’t publish it if it weren’t true, rite?
//

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:18:48am

re: #253 SoundGuy 2016

there’s an 8 hr waiting period for crock pots

Unless it’s slow-baked beans, then it’s 12 hours.

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Alephnaught  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:19:27am

re: #189 darthstar

Crushing him.

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From that link, that looks like Clinton with 301 electoral votes according to those state polls. (Unless I’m getting something wrong somewhere, and/or one or more of the swing states doesn’t dole out votes on an winner-takes-all basis.)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:19:48am

re: #254 CarolJ

All of the people talking about “other methods” like crockpots don’t realize how hard they really are. First, nothing is pre-assembled, or even-pregathered. You have to buy a lot of other parts that don’t come together very well, going from place to place to do it. Then you have to put stuff together at great personal risk (don’t read the directions right, fumble-fingered, stuff a little past its sell-by date, too impatient) then yo might not live to set things down in a selected spot. Not to mention other methods allow easier escape. Five people died at the Boston Marathon-10% of the Pulse club because many would-be victims were far enough away to run or simply move. An assault rifle is pre-assembled and easier to use-no planning needed. Also, since Tim McVeigh, explosives in this country have been increasingly on lockdown and available only for professionals. That is real ones-not fireworks and such.

Guns are designed to kill. Crockpots, not so much.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:22:16am

re: #249 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Tucker is an idiot. Killing 50 people with a crock pot is a helluva lot harder than with a semiautomatic firearm.

Lutheran Ladies’ Mission Night Misadventure.

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Great White Snark  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:24:35am

What item is powerful enough and common enough that they were a serious threat to US forces in anything not armored?? Nothing military or hard to purchase.

Not A Crockpot

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:26:33am

re: #260 Great White Snark

What item is powerful enough and common enough that they were a serious threat to US forces in anything not armored?? Nothing military or hard to purchase.

Not A Crockpot

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Doesn’t the 2nd Amendment protect our right to BBQ?
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:27:23am

Time for me to pack it in for the night here. Have fun taunting Chuck and the other nincompoops on Twitter!

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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:27:24am

re: #261 Feline Fearless Leader

Doesn’t the 2nd Amendment protect our right to BBQ?
//

Lump charcoal only—Founders’ original intent.

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Great White Snark  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:30:12am

re: #261 Feline Fearless Leader

Doesn’t the 2nd Amendment protect our right to BBQ?
//

Every BBQ needs a cooling off period right?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:31:13am

re: #264 Great White Snark

Every BBQ needs a cooling off period right?

Generally during your working hours.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:32:26am

Something to help fulfill this morning’s fluffy quotient.

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Great White Snark  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:32:36am

re: #265 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Preferably during my digestive hours!

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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:34:36am

re: #265 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Generally during your working hours.

Just finished the Father’s Day lawn mowing, and cooling down to fire up for the lunch event.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:35:08am

re: #261 Feline Fearless Leader

Doesn’t the 2nd Amendment protect our right to BBQ?
//

In a walk-in oven, with 3/5 of a person as a turnspit.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:35:35am

re: #258 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Guns are designed to kill. Crockpots, not so much.

Crockpots are designed to fill people.

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Danack  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:35:48am

re: #261 Feline Fearless Leader

Doesn’t the 2nd Amendment protect our right to BBQ?
//

Yes, but only with actual charcoal, as God intended.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:39:22am

When crockpots are illegal, only criminals will have crockpots!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:41:35am

re: #272 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

When crockpots are illegal, only criminals will have crockpots!

I want to point out that you liberals are not aware of the technical differences between a crockpot and a slow-cooker. The latter is designed to cook only up to 15 rounds, er, servings per potful, while the former can be modified to be a fully automatic kitchen utensil holding up to 30 servings…

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Nyet  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:41:58am

Apparently this article tells the story of the origin of the “Gospel of Jesus’ Wife” fake.

theatlantic.com

Saving it up for later.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:42:27am

re: #273 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I want to point out that you liberals are not aware of the technical differences between a crockpot and a slow-cooker. The latter is designed to cook only up to 15 rounds, er, servings per potful, while the former can be modified to be a fully automatic kitchen utensil holding up to 30 servings…

Hey everybody—we found Dana’s sock.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:44:48am

re: #247 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

You can’t make this shit up:

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Well, you COULD make it up, but nobody would buy it.

D’you suppose he meant pressure cookers? Even though they work exactly the opposite, they’re both squat cylindrical cooking devices.

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Nyet  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:45:19am

re: #274 Nyet

And she finally admits what’s been clear for a long time now.

Karen King Responds to ‘The Unbelievable Tale of Jesus’s Wife’
The Harvard scholar says papyrus is probably a forgery.

theatlantic.com

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Lidane  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:45:58am

Someone is nervous about his chances this fall:

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:48:13am

Johnson looks like he just took a big ass hit from a bong.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:49:18am

BTW, I did discover a way that a crockpot can be used to weaponize ME = slow cooked steel-cut oatmeal. Love that stuff! Can’t eat it without creating a methane plume detectable from space. Worse than beans cooked with onions and cabbage!

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CarolJ  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:50:23am

re: #275 Decatur Deb Well then, I just operated a fully automatic crockpot then. Just cooked a whole tray of chicken thighs so that I can then cover them with sauce and bake them in the oven. Says 30 servings on the box. In fact, I have two-one for meat and the other for other stuff like vegetables. And I love it-can cook and surf the net at the same time.

Anyone taking bets on when Trump has a public nervous breakdown? Things look like he’s unraveling pretty quickly.

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Nyet  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:50:38am

re: #280 Blind Frog Belly White

Now we know who is to blame for AGW.

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Great White Snark  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:52:13am

Isn’t the big crock Fox? Maybe they just want to re-orient the term.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:53:17am

re: #282 Nyet

Now we now who is to blame for AGW.

Keep me away from the roast garlic. It’s like Fart Pills to me. Too bad I love roasted garlic.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:53:38am

re: #275 Decatur Deb

Hey everybody—we found Dana’s sock.

I ate the other one

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Nyet  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:54:32am

re: #277 Nyet

Although she had exchanged numerous emails with the owner and had met him in December 2011, she realized after reading the article that she knew next to nothing about him, she said. Walter Fritz had never mentioned his years at the Free University’s Egyptology institute, his formal study of Coptic, or his work as a pornographer whose star actress was his own wife—a woman who’d written a book of “universal truths” and claimed to channel the voices of angels. He had presented himself to her as a “family man” who enjoyed trips to Disney World and was independently wealthy.

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Nyet  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:55:46am

re: #286 Nyet

“I had no idea about this guy, obviously,” she said. “He lied to me.”

I asked why she hadn’t undertaken an investigation of the papyrus’s origins and the owner’s background. “Your article has helped me see that provenance can be investigated,” she said.

Dear Dr. King, for such an educated person you sure are dumb.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:56:17am

re: #286 Nyet

Sounds legit.

*headdesk*

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Nyet  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:58:06am

re: #288 Dr Lizardo

The linguistic arguments have been conclusive but she waited until this article to admit that it’s “probably” a fake. Grr.

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Jay C  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:59:22am

re: #276 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, you COULD make it up, but nobody would buy it.

D’you suppose he meant pressure cookers? Even though they work exactly the opposite, they’re both squat cylindrical cooking devices.

You mean like the Boston Marathon bombers used? Probably. Confusing “pressure cooker” and “crock-pot” was what I first thought of - it IS Fox News, after all - the big difference is that a pressure cooker has a lid which secures tightly - a big plus if you are making an IED out of it: most slow-cooker lids just sit on the rim.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 19, 2016 • 8:59:25am

re: #287 Nyet

Dear Dr. King, for such an educated person you sure are dumb.

This is why you’re always supposed to be your own harshest critic in any academic/scientific research. If you aren’t someone else will do the job for you.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 19, 2016 • 9:02:44am

re: #290 Jay C

You mean like the Boston Marathon bombers used? Probably. Confusing “pressure cooker” and “crock-pot” was what I first thought of - it IS Fox News, after all - the big difference is that a pressure cooker has a lid which secures tightly - a big plus if you are making an IED out of it: most slow-cooker lids just sit on the rim.

Not even that—they’re designed to leak steam and make annoying clattering noises as they bounce back and forth in the process.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 19, 2016 • 9:06:03am

I didn’t know Chuccubus was a movie star.

Silenced movie trailer

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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2016 • 9:06:07am

re: #281 CarolJ

…snip
Anyone taking bets on when Trump has a public nervous breakdown? Things look like he’s unraveling pretty quickly.

Too soon for milk and cookies. I’ll maintain the assumption that the unskewed HRC advantage is an easily-lost 2%.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 19, 2016 • 9:07:29am

re: #281 CarolJ

Anyone taking bets on when Trump has a public nervous breakdown? Things look like he’s unraveling pretty quickly.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 19, 2016 • 9:10:51am

Silenced movie trailer 2.

Chuccubus is all ‘about the essence of things.’ And he thinks Twitter should be a right.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 19, 2016 • 9:13:46am

Trump campaign: We’re facing an emergency goal of $100,000

Obviously Trumpet has hired a bunch of pros.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 19, 2016 • 9:15:28am

While admitting that he agrees with Trump on many issues, Chris Cox, the executive director of the NRA Institute for Legislative Action, said Trump’s suggestion is both dangerous and against the law.

“No one thinks that people should go into a nightclub drinking and carrying firearms,” Cox explained. “That defies common sense. That also defies the law. That’s not what we’re talking about here.”

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Nyet  Jun 19, 2016 • 9:15:57am

re: #296 SoundGuy 2016

A real douchebag gallery.

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MsJ  Jun 19, 2016 • 9:16:48am

re: #279 SoundGuy 2016

Johnson looks like he just took a big ass hit from a bong.

What goes for Johnson’s brain has been pickles in bong juice for a long time.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 19, 2016 • 9:17:20am

re: #296 SoundGuy 2016

Also in the clip was Pax Dickinson and Anthony Cumia (who got fired from Sirius XM after his Twitter rant against blacks.)

Note that it comes across that these people want to say whatever they want to say without consequences. - Like the Second Amendment without the preamble.

Sorry, but they’re living in a dream world-it’s never been like that.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 19, 2016 • 9:20:00am

Lots of hilarity in those Silenced clips, but the few moments showing Pax in a chair staring at the camera, like it’s supposed to mean something profound… comedy gold.

Yes, Chuccubus thinks Twitter should be a right. Because of gay cakes.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 19, 2016 • 9:20:36am

re: #298 FormerDirtDart

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What is this, a schism? La Pierre will drink his blood out of a goblet fashioned from his skull!

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BeachDem  Jun 19, 2016 • 9:21:31am

re: #229 MsJ

These Bernie people are off the charts looney tunes. If these people think they’re the base of the dem party, they’re nuts. I want nothing to do with whatever party they envision.

That’s why the “not him, us” line of thinking made me like him even less—because I certainly don’t want that “us” representing me in any way.

Their deifying Bernie doesn’t bother me that much, but their sanctimonious melodrama is annoying—that “you’re just too stupid/uninformed/corrupt/jaded to see that Bernie is the only real/honest/worthwhile man on earth and the only one that has appeared in a lifetime and without him (and us), the entire world will become a flaming pit of hell and you will be responsible for not having seen the light.”

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 19, 2016 • 9:24:17am

Awkward…

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Jay C  Jun 19, 2016 • 9:28:09am

re: #281 CarolJ

Anyone taking bets on when Trump has a public nervous breakdown? Things look like he’s unraveling pretty quickly.

May have happened already: it might be fairly hard to distinguish a “nervous breakdown” from a “normal Trump campaign rally”…

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blueraven  Jun 19, 2016 • 9:32:28am

re: #67 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

Not taking the time to rotate, because time.

I once had a cat that looked identical to your kitteh. She was a crazy bitch. Used to jump in my van every time I would go somewhere. I would take her to a park, she would hide in the bushes and jump out to attack the biggest dogs walking by. Right on the nose she would land. Poor dogs didn’t know what hit them. One day she just disappeared.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 19, 2016 • 9:33:30am

When you want people to stop sharing a video, you share it, right?

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blueraven  Jun 19, 2016 • 9:35:11am

re: #308 SoundGuy 2016

When you want people to stop sharing a video, you share it, right?

[Embedded content]

not real Trump acct.

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Nyet  Jun 19, 2016 • 9:35:20am

re: #308 SoundGuy 2016

If you’re Denald, yes.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 19, 2016 • 9:36:13am

shit, I be gotten again

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Stanley Sea  Jun 19, 2016 • 9:44:13am

re: #307 blueraven

I once had a cat that looked identical to your kitteh. She was a crazy bitch. Used to jump in my van every time I would go somewhere. I would take her to a park, she would hide in the bushes and jump out to attack the biggest dogs walking by. Right on the nose she would land. Poor dogs didn’t know what hit them. One day she just disappeared.

Oh boy. My Chica is not allowed out - coyote land here.

She’s just crazy at night while I’m asleep so I’m spared pretty much.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 19, 2016 • 9:44:36am

I need more coffee. Then I have to call the Dads.

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Great White Snark  Jun 19, 2016 • 9:46:19am

SUPREMES MAY WEIGH ASSAULT WEAPON BANS

Put me down for $5 I say the assault weapon bans hold up.

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Great White Snark  Jun 19, 2016 • 9:51:32am

Taking my 86 year old Dad out for exotic sausages and brew. He is in great shape. Just a couple months after a new shoulder, he is driving over, we will walk (unless it’s too damn hot) 1/2 mile to the place. At his request.

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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2016 • 9:52:23am

Happy Father’s Day to all you King Daddy Lizards out there.

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nines09  Jun 19, 2016 • 9:54:36am

re: #298 FormerDirtDart

“No one thinks that people should go into a nightclub drinking and carrying firearms,” Cox explained. “That defies common sense. That also defies the law. That’s not what we’re talking about here.”

“No. Not at all. We’re talking about churches and supermarkets and stores and schools and colleges and universities and restaurants. They can get drunk elsewhere. Gay clubs? No way.”

And with that let me wish all you fathers A Happy Hallmark Card Day and a drink of your liking. 86 degrees with a Real Feel of “Hoo boy. Really?”. I’m heading for agua and a snappy Pilsner or 6.

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blueraven  Jun 19, 2016 • 9:56:41am

re: #312 Stanley Sea

Oh boy. My Chica is not allowed out - coyote land here.

She’s just crazy at night while I’m asleep so I’m spared pretty much.

Mine was a street kitty. Jumped out in front of me and BF walking home from bar in NOLA around 3am. Followed us home and never left. Until she did.

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stpaulbear  Jun 19, 2016 • 9:59:07am

re: #317 nines09

“No one thinks that people should go into a nightclub drinking and carrying firearms,” Cox explained. “That defies common sense. That also defies the law. That’s not what we’re talking about here.”

“No. Not at all. We’re talking about churches and supermarkets and stores and schools and colleges and universities and restaurants. They can get drunk elsewhere. Gay clubs? No way.”

And with that let me wish all you fathers A Happy Hallmark Card Day and a drink of your liking. 86 degrees with a Real Feel of “Hoo boy. Really?”. I’m heading for agua and a snappy Pilsner or 6.

Please tell me that’s not really what he said, even though it seems to be exactly what the NRA wants.

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MsJ  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:00:26am

re: #308 SoundGuy 2016

When you want people to stop sharing a video, you share it, right?

[Embedded content]

AAARRRGGGHHH!!!

I know the Twitter is fake but the response is real.

Shoot me. Shoot me now. Right freaking now.

Wasn’t there an old saying about sex with a live goat/dead boy or something? I’m starting to think trump could do either and still be liked.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:01:32am

Happy Father’s Day to all the father Lizards out there.

Now tell the kids to get out there and cut the damn lawn. While you supervise. With a beer.

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stpaulbear  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:02:59am

re: #318 blueraven

Mine was a street kitty. Jumped out in front of me and BF walking home from bar in NOLA around 3am. Followed us home and never left. Until she did.

She decided she wanted in on that sweet sweet liberal human welfare.

(is the last word in your post a typo?)

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sagehen  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:03:16am

re: #195 The Vicious Babushka

CONGRATULATIONS NANA HILLARY!

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Pix or it didn’t happen.

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nines09  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:03:59am

re: #319 stpaulbear

Since he wants you to be able to order up a T bone, rare and not feel naked without your AR-15 and three clips……………Just about.

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blueraven  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:05:10am

re: #322 stpaulbear

She decided she wanted in on that sweet sweet liberal human welfare.

(is the last word in your post a typo?)

Nope. One day she just disappeared. After a couple of years and a move to Austin.

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stpaulbear  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:08:37am

re: #325 blueraven

Nope. One day she just disappeared. After a couple of years and a move to Austin.

Sad. (Not in a Trump way.)

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BeenHereAwhile  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:15:44am

re: #307 blueraven

I once had a cat that looked identical to your kitteh. She was a crazy bitch. Used to jump in my van every time I would go somewhere. I would take her to a park, she would hide in the bushes and jump out to attack the biggest dogs walking by. Right on the nose she would land. Poor dogs didn’t know what hit them. One day she just disappeared.

Our cat James Morrison
Weatherby George Dupree would attack all other dogs except our two German Shepherds and the bloodhound.

My neighbor would call us laughing and tell us “your cat is chasing my dogs around my backyard.”

He loved our dogs, and would greet them first with nose rubs before us, whenever we returned from a trip with the dogs.

One day he disappeared, and we figured that he went against the wrong neighborhood dog.

James RIP.

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MsJ  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:16:28am
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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:19:55am

This morning on Face the Nation Donald Trump came out in favor of racial profiling.

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SteelPH  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:24:28am

re: #329 Big Beautiful Door

This morning on Face the Nation Donald Trump came out in favor of racial profiling.

To the surprise of absolutely no one.

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Great White Snark  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:24:53am

re: #329 Big Beautiful Door

This morning on Face the Nation Donald Trump came out in favor of racial profiling.

Donald Trump……“not the worst thing to do.”
Ladies and gentlemen, that’s what Con Man Donald thinks is Presidential thinking.

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sagehen  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:27:37am

re: #314 Great White Snark

SUPREMES MAY WEIGH ASSAULT WEAPON BANS

Put me down for $5 I say the assault weapon bans hold up.

Depends entirely on who Supreme #9 turns out to be.

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sagehen  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:28:51am

re: #320 MsJ

AAARRRGGGHHH!!!

I know the Twitter is fake but the response is real.

Shoot me. Shoot me now. Right freaking now.

Wasn’t there an old saying about sex with a live goat/dead boy or something? I’m starting to think trump could do either and still be liked.

Being found in bed with a dead girl or a live boy.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:28:54am

re: #332 sagehen

Depends entirely on who Supreme #9 turns out to be.

But we won’t know who that will be until 2025 or so.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:29:19am

re: #303 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

What is this, a schism? La Pierre will drink his blood out of a goblet fashioned from his skull!

And take it away Wayne:

‘They’re coming’: NRA’s Wayne LaPierre responds to Orlando shooting with unhinged fearmongering

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:29:52am

re: #332 sagehen

Depends entirely on who Supreme #9 turns out to be.

Or if there is a Justice #9. Don’t put it past the GOP to refuse to allow Clinton to appoint a ninth Justice.

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Skip Intro  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:30:02am
“I think profiling is something that we’re going to have to start thinking about as a country,” Trump said in a telephone interview with CBS’ Face the Nation. “

When are you media dipshits going to stop letting him get away with this? Is the reputation of your premium news programs this worthless?

If he can’t be bothered to show up in person then no Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:34:17am

re: #321 Dr Lizardo

Happy Father’s Day to all the father Lizards out there.

Now tell the kids to get out there and cut the damn lawn. While you supervise. With a beer.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:35:15am

re: #303 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

What is this, a schism? La Pierre will drink his blood out of a goblet fashioned from his skull!

No he actually won’t. The NRA does understand that guns and alcohol do not mix well. You can have the Designated Driver also be the Designated Concealed Carrier, but people going out planning to drink a good bit of booze should leave their guns at home and the NRA has always known that.

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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:38:57am

re: #339 Dark_Falcon

No he actually won’t. The NRA does understand that guns and alcohol do not mix well. You can have the Designated Driver also be the Designated Concealed Carrier, but people going out planning to drink a good bit of booze should leave their guns at home and the NRA has always known that.

If they understand it, isn’t it their obligation to spell it out to a good part of their membership, who reflexively went to the ‘good guy with a gun’ mantra in the wake of Orlando?

And don’t try to tell me they didn’t do that, because you know damn well a lot of them did.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:40:12am

Which state is it that’s about to approve open carry in bars? I haven’t heard a big fuss from the NRA about that.

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Great White Snark  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:41:48am

re: #332 sagehen

I don’t think so. There is a huge set of cases of assault weapon bans being upheld just fine. Maybe some would have to be less vague or were badly crafted and therefore vulnerable. This argument was almost settled the full auto gun taxation/paperwork thing.

California’s laws all held up just fine. We have the tool feature here to prevent ultra fast and easy reloads. We also have a ten round limit law. I expect those guns to be off the market next year. The legislation is having an easy ride.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:44:07am

re: #342 Great White Snark

I don’t think so. There is a huge set of cases of assault weapon bans being upheld just fine. Maybe some would have to be less vague or were badly crafted and therefore vulnerable. This argument was almost settled the full auto gun taxation/paperwork thing.

California’s laws all held up just fine. We have the tool feature here to prevent ultra fast and easy reloads. We also have a ten round limit law. I expect those guns to be off the market next year. The legislation is having an easy ride.

No ‘assault weapons ban’ is going to pass at the federal level, so which guns are you talking about?

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Great White Snark  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:47:10am

re: #343 Dark_Falcon

California. The button guns are going away I think.

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:48:10am

re: #329 Big Beautiful Door

This morning on Face the Nation Donald Trump came out in favor of racial profiling.

re: #330 SteelPH

To the surprise of absolutely no one.

“Only until we know who the heck they are. We don’t know who they are. Do you know those people are? So, check their backgrounds and see what they are up to. Just a background check. It needs to be done. It has to been done. I’ll do it and it will be great. Trump will do it, no one else will. This I can tell you.”

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:51:03am

re: #344 Great White Snark

California. The button guns are going away I think.

Which is just harassment of legal gun owners and won’t make a notable dent in gun crime because most such crimes are committed with handguns anyways.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:52:39am

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

Which is just harassment of legal gun owners and won’t make a notable dent in gun crime because most such crimes are committed with handguns anyways.

The only purpose of handguns is to commit murder. They need to be banned altogether.

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stpaulbear  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:52:57am

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

Which is just harassment of legal gun owners and won’t make a notable dent in gun crime because most such crimes are committed with handguns anyways.

The guns used in mass murder are not the same guns used in crimes.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:54:11am

Have a good one, Lizards. Up early for work tomorrow.

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lockjawcanbefun  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:54:47am

Best smelling fire ever!

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:55:29am

re: #335 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And take it away Wayne:

‘They’re coming’: NRA’s Wayne LaPierre responds to Orlando shooting with unhinged fearmongering

An NRA scenario featuring Wayne LaPierre:

“Here come The Gun Taking Hordes of Liberals!!!

“Savages they are. They want to destroy or way of life, our laws and founding amendment!”

“They are outside the gates! They are chanting and screaming. But we can hold them off…we got the guns!”

“All they have are bats and knifes, sticks, stones, their cars. They don’t stand a chance.”

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Great White Snark  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:57:42am

re: #347 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

All I ask is bad guys first, not me.

Not today.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 19, 2016 • 10:57:50am

re: #347 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The only purpose of handguns is to commit murder. They need to be banned altogether.

Target shooting, hunting, self defense: These are all what, illegitimate in your eyes?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:00:13am

re: #353 Dark_Falcon

Target shooting, hunting, self defense: These are all what, illegitimate in your eyes?

The first two yes. The “self defense” one is 100%, no-money-back, spun-glass bullshit. People who own handguns are much more likely to be shot than those who don’t.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:01:44am

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

Which is just harassment of legal gun owners and won’t make a notable dent in gun crime because most such crimes are committed with handguns anyways.

I am a gunowner and have been for more than 40 years.
I have NEVER been (or felt to be) harassed by any gun legislation, except for proposals to let everybody buy and carry guns (open or concealed) anywhere they want to, no matter why.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:01:51am

re: #354 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I don’t agree, and respectfully, I’m glad you’re not making the laws.

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Great White Snark  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:02:16am

I’m not in this one today. Already covered and covered. Used to go for days with Obdi. Same old ground.

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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:04:12am

re: #357 Great White Snark

I’m not in this one today. Already covered and covered. Used to go for days with Obdi. Same old ground.

I miss Obdi.

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stpaulbear  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:04:38am

re: #353 Dark_Falcon

Do hunters actually use hand guns to hunt game?

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:04:44am

re: #357 Great White Snark

I’m not in this one today. Already covered and covered. Used to go for days with Obdi. Same old ground.

If you aren’t in, than neither am I. I need my wingman for this sort of dogfight.

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:05:42am

I think we need to find a mountain big enough for some stone masons and artists to cut the second amendment into the face, sort of like Mount Rushmore.

Yeah. It’s THAT big!

Guns…guns…guns…what else does this country really stand for anyway?

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:08:04am

re: #359 stpaulbear

Do hunters actually use hand guns to hunt game?

Sometimes, yes. They are also used in Alaska and some areas of CONUS where bears exist in substantial numbers as defensive weapons for hikers. A .44 magnum or 10mm pistol available quickly can be a lifesaver if attacked by a large bear.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:08:16am

re: #361 ObserverArt

I think we need to find a mountain big enough for some stone masons and artists to cut the second amendment into the face, sort of like Mount Rushmore.

Yeah. It’s THAT big!

Guns…guns…guns…what else does this country really stand for anyway?

Well, to save room you could leave off the first half of the sentence, because apparently it was written in invisible ink.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:08:27am

Nobody needs to open carry. Anywhere. For any reason. And anyone else in the same vicinity should have the right to know if someone you’re sitting near in a movie theater is conceal carrying, thus making CC stupid too.

Of my 5 guns. 4 handguns, 1 Carbine. I don’t want nor do I feel the need to take them out of the house with me anywhere other than the range.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:08:40am

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

I am a gunowner and have been for more than 40 years.
I have NEVER been (or felt to be) harassed by any gun legislation, except for proposals to let everybody buy and carry guns (open or concealed) anywhere they want to, no matter why.

To be clear, those constant proposals annoy the crap out of me because I AM a law-abiding gunowner and I see those proposals as harassment to me because I have to expend time and effort trying to fight against them.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:08:40am

I support the right to keep and bear single shot muskets. Just like the Founding Fathers intended.

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:09:09am

re: #357 Great White Snark

I’m not in this one today. Already covered and covered. Used to go for days with Obdi. Same old ground.

Yeah. I’m pretty frustrated by it all too. And it’s fucking sad that it never does get past the same old ground. One of America’s greatest mistakes is our thinking on guns.

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jaunte  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:12:01am

re: #366 SoundGuy 2016

Smart-targeted, loitering drone bullets and antipersonnel rays shall not be abridged!

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:12:35am

Here’s something with a big gun we’ll all like:

Daesh tried to kill this M1A1 with an AT-14 Kornet, but its blow-out panels kept the tank from being destroyed by an ammo fire and it has now been repaired. Soon it’ll be back to giving the jihadis a pounding.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:16:48am

this fixation of the right wing with islamist massacres is really beginning to irritate me

yes, there is a problem w sick people being influenced by radical islamist propoganda, but in fact the overwhelming majority of mass murders in the united states in the past 30 years were carried out by non muslims such as white supremacists and other assorted nutcases

deadliest mass shootings u.s. 1984 to today

where is the uproar over white supremacist violence??

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:16:49am

re: #356 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree, and respectfully, I’m glad you’re not making the laws.

Carrying a gun increases risk of getting shot and killed

Overall, Branas’s study found that people who carried guns were 4.5 times as likely to be shot and 4.2 times as likely to get killed compared with unarmed citizens. When the team looked at shootings in which victims had a chance to defend themselves, their odds of getting shot were even higher.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:21:47am

I wonder how far we are from our first civilian armed drone murder. People protecting their pot grows, meth labs, and militia compounds are already working on this problem, I’m sure.

See, this is where the human tool-making mind fails… Present dealing death as an engineering problem, and some nerd will solve it just for fun. Because I’m looking at my Ruger LCP and thinking that somebody with a little bit of engineering and robotics skill could mount one to a large drone without much trouble. Stability while firing might be an issue, but if you get within 15’ of somebody that might not matter much.

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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:24:28am

re: #372 Pawn of the Oppressor

I wonder how far we are from our first civilian armed drone murder. People protecting their pot grows, meth labs, and militia compounds are already working on this problem, I’m sure.

See, this is where the human tool-making mind fails… Present dealing death as an engineering problem, and some nerd will solve it just for fun. Because I’m looking at my Ruger LCP and thinking that somebody with a little bit of engineering and robotics skill could mount one to a large drone without much trouble. Stability while firing might be an issue, but if you get within 15’ of somebody that might not matter much.

I believe some enterprising soul already has affixed a handgun to a drone. I seem to remember someone posting a video here a while back.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:24:37am
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jaunte  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:25:15am

re: #372 Pawn of the Oppressor

Creating new deadly technology is always going to be easier than getting people to agree it needs to be controlled. Especially when the lobby for the technology has intimidated Congress. “Drone bullets” is only a temporary joke.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:26:25am

re: #374 GlutenFreeJesus

Most very freedom liberty! I feel very safe with a bunch of them flying around.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:30:31am

NRA does indeed support guns in bars…article from 2010:
Caving To NRA, Tennessee Legislature Passes ‘Guns In Bars’ Bill

Tennessee, too, is trying to follow in Virginia’s footsteps. Last year, the legislature overrode Gov. Phil Bredesen’s veto to pass a law providing gun owners the right to carry their weapons into any restaurant, except those whose predominant business was to serve alcohol. But the law was declared unconstitutionally vague by a state court, so Tennessee is trying again. This time, the law provides “no exclusions for where guns can be carried, as long as permit holders don’t consume alcohol.”

Rep. Joe McCord, a Republican state legislator with an A+ plus rating from the NRA, explained what is going on:

‘Essentially, NRA is saying to us, if you don’t support and vote for carrying guns in bars, we will not endorse you,’ McCord said. ‘This line of reasoning borders on lunacy.

‘What line will we not cross for the NRA? At what point do we say that’s too much?’ asked McCord, who is not seeking re-election. ‘I’m sorry for those of you who feel you have to hold your nose and vote for it … because of the NRA.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:33:13am

Odds Hillary Won Without Widespread Fraud: 1 in 77 Billion Says Berkeley, Stanford Studies

With lots of graphs! Graphs galore. Did I say lots of graphs?

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Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:34:06am

re: #377 Backwoods_Sleuth

NRA does indeed support guns in bars…article from 2010:
Caving To NRA, Tennessee Legislature Passes ‘Guns In Bars’ Bill

So the NRA is flip-flopping just to screw over Donald Trump?

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Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:37:04am

re: #378 SoundGuy 2016

Odds Hillary Won Without Widespread Fraud: 1 in 77 Billion Says Berkeley, Stanford Studies

With lots of graphs! Graphs galore. Did I say lots of graphs?

snopes.com

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Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:38:42am
Anton Yelchin, a charismatic and rising actor best known for playing Chekov in the new “Star Trek” films, has died at the age of 27. He was killed in a fatal traffic collision early Sunday morning, his publicist, Jennifer Allen confirmed.

wtop.com

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A Mom Anon  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:41:26am

I think if you feel that under siege that you must carry a firearm with you wherever you go you need to do a few things besides buy more guns:

1) Stay home. Barracade yourself inside and have all your shit delivered. Just be a decent “responsible” gun owner and try not to shoot the delivery people. And tip the pizza guy FFS.

2) Move. If your neighborhood is that big of a clusterfuck, go someplace else. If this is not practical for say, financial reasons, see #1 or sell off a couple of guns and some ammo, it might help finance a moving truck and the deposit on a new place.

3) Get some help with your paranoia. There is help available.

Also too, I have the right to go to the fucking store, for a hike in the park or to sit in my own damned yard without seeing your damned weapons, or worse, hearing you target shoot in your backyard right near my fence line. Your rights stop where mine begin, so what about my right to live in peace? Doesn’t that count at all? Because I can tell you, from experience, when I’m out on a hike and I see a couple of guys with guns coming towards me, the LAST thing I feel is safe. Having had a weapon pointed at my face in the past, I don’t see them as much of anything except as a menace, and the people who insist they have to have them are nothing more than fearful people who feel the need to intimidate others. The last people who should be near a gun, let alone open or concealed carrying one. It’s different if you’re carrying money (like an armored car driver for example), are hired security personnel or something of that nature. But most of the people, those “responsible” gun owners, have them as a hobby, or to feel like a badass because they aren’t. And why in the hell should a fucking hobby have constitutional protection?

Every single one of these goddamned shootings is a SIGN that we need to wake the hell up and we do nothing. NOTHING to stop it. Guns are made for one purpose, to kill. Period. Guns weren’t invented to shoot at targets, so let’s not even go there. They are the only tool (along with more modern weapons of war) expressly designed to kill living beings. There is no need for them otherwise. If you feel that threatened, you are fearful and fearful people do not need to be armed. That’s a bad idea.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:46:54am
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blueraven  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:47:42am

re: #326 stpaulbear

Sad. (Not in a Trump way.)

Yeah that cat was a riot. Her and BF had a love/hate thing going. Once he chased her with a broom for something (cant remember and he wasn’t really gonna hit her anyway). Later that day we went to the apt pool with our floats and beer. Got settled in the water when he started sinking. My float was fine but his had hundreds of little pricks in it. She had her revenge!

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:49:50am

re: #376 SoundGuy 2016

Most very freedom liberty! I feel very safe with a bunch of them flying around.

Only a good drone with a gun can stop a bad drone with a gun!

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Stanley Sea  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:51:00am

re: #381 Timothy Watson

wtop.com

Kinda more than a car collision.

He was found pinned against his mailbox by his car - running & in neutral.

Ugh!

tmz.com

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Stanley Sea  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:53:58am

re: #383 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Watched the video, if that is his actual house I’m kind of impressed - very modest.

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2016 • 11:59:35am

re: #382 A Mom Anon

I think if you feel that under siege that you must carry a firearm with you wherever you go you need to do a few things besides buy more guns:

1) Stay home. Barracade yourself inside and have all your shit delivered. Just be a decent “responsible” gun owner and try not to shoot the delivery people. And tip the pizza guy FFS.

2) Move. If your neighborhood is that big of a clusterfuck, go someplace else. If this is not practical for say, financial reasons, see #1 or sell off a couple of guns and some ammo, it might help finance a moving truck and the deposit on a new place.

3) Get some help with your paranoia. There is help available.

—CUT—

Love your takes on all the things Mom.

You know, a little editing, a little building on the themes and you could have a real nice comedy rant going just by taking from some of your comments here.

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Anymouse  Jun 19, 2016 • 12:07:03pm

[moved to next thread]

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A Mom Anon  Jun 19, 2016 • 12:18:58pm

re: #388 ObserverArt

Thank you, I just wish I could find this more funny than I do. I think I’ve been around heavily armed humans for too long.

When I was a kid, my dad’s father was a cop and an avid hunter. Also served time in the Navy. The first thing you saw when you walked into their living room was a big ass gun cabinet/safe. It was always locked. I never once saw a firearm of any type just left lying around unattended, any of us kids that went hunting with him ever went again if we acted like Barney BadAss when we had a gun (as happened to two of my older male cousins-who it should be noted are gun toting Bundy Ranch, MoronLabe! types today) Grandpa made it known that EVERY GUN IS LOADED. Even When It Isn’t. You never point that weapon at anyone you don’t intend to kill or any animal you don’t intend to eat. It was clear. I have never forgot that and won’t.

I don’t know what the hell has happened in this country that we’re so obsessed that the 2nd Ammendment is more important than anything else to way too many people. I have my suspicions and I can’t find it in my heart to be kind or forgiving to those sowing fear and hate. I’m over this, people breaking things and then screaming that others broke it.

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palomino  Jun 19, 2016 • 1:38:04pm

re: #343 Dark_Falcon

No ‘assault weapons ban’ is going to pass at the federal level, so which guns are you talking about?

A couple more Newtowns and Orlandos and that could easily change. When 80%+ of the population supports something, even Congress sometimes listens. We banned those insane weapons 20 years ago because they’re absurd for civilian populations; it could easily happen again.

And your core gun humper constituency is old white people—the ones who are dying at a faster rate than any other group. The rest of the country doesn’t worship your precious little 2nd Amendment. Time and demographics are NOT on your side. Not on this issue, and certainly not for your party.

Your predictable knee-jerk reactions about guns are disturbing, they seem the result of monomaniacal thinking. Worse still, you’ve become boring.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 19, 2016 • 1:54:05pm

re: #391 palomino

-1

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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2016 • 2:06:46pm

re: #391 palomino

A couple more Newtowns and Orlandos and that could easily change. When 80%+ of the population supports something, even Congress sometimes listens. We banned those insane weapons 20 years ago because they’re absurd for civilian populations; it could easily happen again.

It might not even take that. Remember who got targeted this time, and the effectiveness of their protests. I’m fully convinced that the LGBT community is directly responsible for Limbaugh’s decline. It took a long while to come about, but their efforts to limit his financial and commercial clout have been pretty successful.

They’re not afraid to play the long game. The NRA have made a very powerful enemy.

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palomino  Jun 20, 2016 • 11:47:36am

re: #392 Dark_Falcon

-1

That’s all you’ve got? Further proof that you’ve become a total chickenshit. You drop putrid little bombs, then follow up with nothing of substance.

It’s quite clear that you’re obsessed with firearms. You should ask yourself why. You’ve admitted you have emotional problems. Most people would agree that mental issues coupled with gun fascination is not a very good recipe.

I’m sure you think I’m just being a snarky smart ass. But I remember you over the years as a sincere, balanced, reasonable person. You no longer seem to be that person.

You now sound like a much angrier, more bitter and uncaring crank. Wait, is that you, albusteve?


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