Steve King (R-Iowa): Harriet Tubman on the $20 Bill Would Be “Racist” and “Sexist”

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When asked why he sponsored a failed amendment to prohibit the US Treasury from changing the $20 bill to feature freed slave Harriet Tubman, Iowa Republican caveman Steve King said it was because he was opposed to racism, sexism and divisiveness.

“It’s not about Harriet Tubman, it’s about keeping the picture on the $20,” King said Tuesday evening, pulling a $20 bill from his pocket and pointing at President Andrew Jackson. “Y’know? Why would you want to change that? I am a conservative, I like to keep what we have.”

The conservative gadfly said it is “racist” and “sexist” to say a woman or person of color should be added to currency. “Here’s what’s really happening, this is liberal activism on the part of the president, that’s trying to identify people by categories and he’s divided us on the lines of groups. … This is a divisive proposal on the part of the president and mine’s unifying. It says just don’t change anything.”

The rise of Donald Trump to the GOP nominee for president can be traced directly to decades of this kind of anti-rational nonsense from Republican politicians and pundits.

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507 comments
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Testy Toad T  Jun 21, 2016 • 7:25:10pm

I’ve read that second paragraph of the quote like ten times and I still can’t figure out what argument King is attempting to make. It’s not even wrong, it’s orthogonal to sense. Logically incoherent.

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2016 • 7:25:22pm

Maybe politico updated, but the article says “The House will not vote to block the inclusion of Harriet Tubman on the $20 bill, dodging a politically-charged vote for GOP lawmakers.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2016 • 7:26:56pm

King’s argument is that he’s a conservative, he likes to keep what we already have. Well, then that would explain why he is opposed to changign birth right citizenship which was established while Tubman was still alive and before Jackson went on the 20 but wait. King is just being a pandering bigoted asshole. I expect nothing less of this KKK wannabe.

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Lidane  Jun 21, 2016 • 7:27:00pm

I’m amazed that King was able to submit his legislation without tripping over his Klan robes. Pfft.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 21, 2016 • 7:27:23pm
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KGxvi  Jun 21, 2016 • 7:27:45pm

So, putting Harriet Tubman on the twenty is racist and sexist, but keeping the portrait of a man responsible for the death of thousands of Native Americans is not racist?

Ok, apparently my sunglasses have stopped working.

(also, is it true that some Native Americans refuse to use twenty dollar bills because of Jackson’s presence?)

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 21, 2016 • 7:29:12pm

since I killed the thread downstairs, I’ll just copy-pasta this.

I’m outta here myself. Had an early pre-opening show time today at the shop, but I passed my CPR/AED/First Aid instructor course. It was one of those days where I looked at my watch at opening at 11, and the next time I glanced at it, it had magically become 6pm. I like days like that, keep me hopping, get some work done.

I’m playing golf tomorrow at 8am at a course I know and like a bit. It’s a bit of a drive so I’ve got to get my beauty sleep (coma?).

Be good, and remember, “Donald Trump” is just “Damn Turd Pol” misspelled.

RBS

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2016 • 7:29:41pm

The whole idea- This is what it is, we can’t change it is stupid. Once upon a time Jackson replaced someone on money too. A nation’s values can and do change with the times even while dinosaurs like Steve King still aren’t over the abolition of slavery.

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KGxvi  Jun 21, 2016 • 7:31:57pm

re: #8 HappyWarrior

The whole idea- This is what it is, we can’t change it is stupid. Once upon a time Jackson replaced someone on money too. A nation’s values can and do change with the times even while dinosaurs like Steve King still aren’t over the abolition of slavery.

Jackson replaced Cleveland, who replaced Washington, who replaced Hamilton, who replaced the goddess Columbia (or possibly Liberty, but I think Columbia).

Images on wikipedia.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2016 • 7:32:09pm

re: #2 Belafon

Maybe politico updated, but the article says “The House will not vote to block the inclusion of Harriet Tubman on the $20 bill, dodging a politically-charged vote for GOP lawmakers.”

Note the seventh word in the first sentence of the article.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 21, 2016 • 7:32:37pm

re: #8 HappyWarrior

Steve King is nothing but a racist so his amendment and words don’t shock me. I’m surprised that he doesn’t try to get it passed as a stand alone bill. Certainly many of his GOP colleagues would support it.

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2016 • 7:33:56pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Note the seventh word in the first sentence of the article.

Thanks. I wrote that in the previous thread and yours appeared and I missed that one word.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2016 • 7:35:15pm

The 150 Year Graphic Evolution Of The $20 Bill
thrillist.com

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Mattand  Jun 21, 2016 • 7:36:56pm
When asked why he sponsored a failed amendment to prohibit the US Treasury from changing the $20 bill to feature freed slave Harriet Tubman, Iowa Republican caveman Steve King said it was because he was opposed to racism, sexism and divisiveness.

Seriously. Fuck this party.

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KGxvi  Jun 21, 2016 • 7:37:29pm

re: #13 jaunte

My wikipedia search sent me down a bit of a rabbit hole looking at old bills. The old bills seem to be much more artful than the current bills we have.

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2016 • 7:37:50pm

re: #14 Mattand

Seriously. Fuck this party.

Well, you know how much it dividing straight white Christan men to be persecuted so much.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2016 • 7:38:00pm

re: #14 Mattand

Seriously. Fuck this party.

Every day they keep on sinking to new lows. Oh and they still have their Majority Whip who wanted to be David Duke without the baggage.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 21, 2016 • 7:38:21pm

From the previous thread, I did some googling on the guy/gal/person-unit sitting with Rage Furby. This is from Gawker, so take it with a grain of salt — or two.

gawker.com

So, RF is dining with an alleged online scammer.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2016 • 7:38:36pm

re: #15 KGxvi

Most of their anti-counterfeiting measures were in the hands of the engraver, so they really developed the art.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 21, 2016 • 7:40:25pm

re: #14 Mattand

Republican voter outreach to minorities is abysmal. They just keep going lower and lower. I’m waiting for one of them to shout the N word in public since they can’t get much worse.

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KGxvi  Jun 21, 2016 • 7:43:31pm

re: #19 jaunte

Most of their anti-counterfeiting measures were in the hands of the engraver, so they really developed the art.

That makes sense. It’s just a shame that we can’t get better looking bills these days.

As a side note, I feel the same way about construction. New office buildings and homes just lack something that older buildings have (besides asbestos) - I’d much rather have a house built in the 1920s than one built last week. And cars - the best cars seem to be (much) older than me.

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2016 • 7:50:38pm

re: #21 KGxvi

That makes sense. It’s just a shame that we can’t get better looking bills these days.

As a side note, I feel the same way about construction. New office buildings and homes just lack something that older buildings have (besides asbestos) - I’d much rather have a house built in the 1920s than one built last week. And cars - the best cars seem to be (much) older than me.

Things older homes have:
Ungrounded electrical systems that can sometimes interfere with modern wireless technology.
Plumbing that is so tied together that flushing the toiled affects shower temperatures.
Poor insulation (the house I grew up in that was built in 1945 had almost no insulation in my bedroom).

And then you could say something similar about old cars, starting with a lap belt that can cause liver damage in a crash.

I don’t really care about the “personality” of inanimate objects.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2016 • 7:51:17pm

re: #18 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

From the previous thread, I did some googling on the guy/gal/person-unit sitting with Rage Furby. This is from Gawker, so take it with a grain of salt — or two.

gawker.com

So, RF is dining with an alleged online scammer.

Wow, that’s some very creepy shit there.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2016 • 7:53:14pm

re: #18 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It looks like Rage Furby is getting ready to take things to the next level — outright criminality.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 21, 2016 • 7:55:43pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

It looks like Rage Furby is getting ready to take things to the next level — outright criminality.

Combining the business model of WeSearchr with computer worms/viruses would seem a logical step for a sociopath.

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Shimshon  Jun 21, 2016 • 7:56:49pm

This is scary news, could have been really bad…

Feds: Homeland Security employee caught with gun, knife

washingtonpost.com

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Shimshon  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:01:17pm

re: #14 Mattand

Seriously. Fuck this party.

They have no real arguments, so they have to resort to hypocrisy and projection. “You are a bigot/racist/misogyny for not accepting my bigotry/racism/misogyny” has been their go to deflection tactic for decades.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:02:00pm

re: #25 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

People who consider giving their financial info to wesearchr will now be sharing that info with a creepy hacker strongly suspected of installing malware on people’s computers.

He’s not even trying to hide his malice now.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:03:28pm

re: #27 Shimshon

They have no real arguments, so they have to resort to hypocrisy and projection. “You are a bigot/racist/misogyny for not accepting my bigotry/racism/misogyny” has been their go to deflection tactic for decades.

It really is amazing how little they’ve changed. If they have changed, in many ways, they’ve grown worse. I liken it to how the KKK made a comeback during the Civil Rights years.

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thedopefishlives  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:03:38pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

People who consider giving their financial info to wesearchr will now be sharing that info with a creepy hacker strongly suspected of installing malware on people’s computers.

He’s not even trying to hide his malice now.

If I had to guess, I’d say that he’s probably looking for something to add to his wesearchr site that will give him an even deeper hold over his visitors. Those of you among the Lizardim who keep track of this fucknut might want to turn your caution up to 11 right about now.

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Kragar  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:06:44pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:08:19pm

re: #30 thedopefishlives

If I had to guess, I’d say that he’s probably looking for something to add to his wesearchr site that will give him an even deeper hold over his visitors. Those of you among the Lizardim who keep track of this fucknut might want to turn your caution up to 11 right about now.

Wise advice. As a matter of course, I rarely visit Wesearchr, and only check GotNooz occasionally to see what BS he has posted. I should probably visit those sites incognito from now on.

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ObserverArt  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:10:08pm

What bothers me most about a blockhead like Steve King (R. Moron - Iowa) is he keeps getting elected no matter how stupid the stuff he does comes off. So, he must be representing a whole district of blockheads that are perfect with his doing stupid stuff.

Need we forget Mexican drug runners with thighs the size of cantaloupes coming out of the same stupid mouth attached to the same stupid brain in the same stupid King head.

I guess I really do not want to meet some of the people out there in the far center west of Iowa where he calls home. Someone keeps putting him in his seat at around a 60% vote total.

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Sherlock Hound  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:10:55pm

re: #32 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Wise advice. As a matter of course, I rarely visit Wesearchr, and only check GotNooz occasionally to see what BS he has posted. I should probably visit those sites incognito from now on.

From inside a disposable VM.

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Shimshon  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:11:31pm

re: #29 HappyWarrior

It really is amazing how little they’ve changed. If they have changed, in many ways, they’ve grown worse. I liken it to how the KKK made a comeback during the Civil Rights years.

Nothing has changed for conservatives, that is for sure. It’s the same as the slave owners demanding “states rights” as they push through the Fugitive Slave Act that took away states rights and forced them to help southern slave owning states get all their escaped property back.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:14:24pm

re: #32 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Wise advice. As a matter of course, I rarely visit Wesearchr, and only check GotNooz occasionally to see what BS he has posted. I should probably visit those sites incognito from now on.

The thing about Chuck is that he just can’t help boasting openly about his malicious schemes.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:16:17pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

The thing about Chuck is that he just can’t help boasting openly about his malicious schemes.

He’s the comically inept villain in a cartoon show.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:17:49pm

Here’s the guy who posed with Trump in front of the framed Playboy cover
What a slime tsunami

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Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:18:44pm

re: #1 Testy Toad T

I’ve read that second paragraph of the quote like ten times and I still can’t figure out what argument King is attempting to make. It’s not even wrong, it’s orthogonal to sense. Logically incoherent.

Your error is in assuming an argument is being made.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:18:59pm

re: #38 The Vicious Babushka

Here’s the guy who posed with Trump in front of the framed Playboy cover
What a slime tsunami

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An asshole, just like his dear old dad.

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Teukka  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:19:23pm

re: #6 KGxvi

So, putting Harriet Tubman on the twenty is racist and sexist, but keeping the portrait of a man responsible for the death of thousands of Native Americans is not racist?

Ok, apparently my sunglasses have stopped working.

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(also, is it true that some Native Americans refuse to use twenty dollar bills because of Jackson’s presence?)

Is it at this juncture I’m supposed to speak “We have one who sees” into my watch, or raise my finger while pointing at you and let out a bloodcurdling scream?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:20:28pm

LOLWHUT

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:21:30pm

re: #42 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWHUT

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Beyond belief. What level is that?

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:22:33pm

re: #43 Belafon

Beyond belief. What level is that?

Eleven.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:22:42pm

re: #43 Belafon

Beyond belief. What level is that?

He’s raging at Hillary for something SHE DIDN’T EVEN SAY.

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thedopefishlives  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:22:48pm

re: #44 The Ghost of a Flea

Eleven.

Potato.

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Teukka  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:23:04pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Wow, that’s some very creepy shit there.

re: #24 Charles Johnson

It looks like Rage Furby is getting ready to take things to the next level — outright criminality.

Grifters gonna grift…

re: #36 Charles Johnson

The thing about Chuck is that he just can’t help boasting openly about his malicious schemes.

That’s the thing about lies. You hurt the one you tell them about. You hurt the one you tell them to. But most of all, you hurt yourself.
One of the chief ways is that you lose the compass which tells you what you can get away with.

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:23:30pm

re: #45 The Vicious Babushka

He’s raging at Hillary for something SHE DIDN’T EVEN SAY.

She’s a Democrat. Raising taxes “beyond belief” is implied. //

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KGxvi  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:24:34pm

re: #43 Belafon

Beyond belief. What level is that?

Top rate of 39.6%, which kicks in at $415,000 for single filers and $467,000 for married couples on adjusted gross income. And 20% on capital gains.

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Kragar  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:25:51pm
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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:29:28pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

If he is a true “Conservative” then he would undoubtedly support banning the Pledge of Alleigience, and “In God We Trust” on our money- after all, the Founding Fathers never supported these mottos and rituals. They were added much later to our national identity.

Oh , wait… I get it. Ideology comes first. Actual History and Reality a much distant second. Now I understand.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:30:02pm

re: #42 The Vicious Babushka

Bitching about marginal tax rates feels somehow quaint, as if the Reagan-Bush-Bush political paradigm is dead and buried.

When was the last time you heard about Grover Norquist? It’s all stupid trade shit now, and yuuuuuge jobs, amazing, mind-blowing jobs, more jobs than you can even imagine, people tell me, you’ll get tired of how many jobs you have.

[If it is indeed dead and buried, good fucking riddance.]

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thedopefishlives  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:30:30pm

re: #49 KGxvi

Top rate of 39.6%, which kicks in at $415,000 for single filers and $467,000 for married couples on adjusted gross income. And 20% on capital gains.

Upping the capital gains tax? I’m actually impressed and pleased. The top marginal rate does not affect as many people as popular opinion maintains. Most millionaires and billionaires generate their annual income via capital gains.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:30:37pm

re: #45 The Vicious Babushka

He’s raging at Hillary for something SHE DIDN’T EVEN SAY.

Trump’s worldview is constructed from thing he “heard” but can’t repeat with detail from “guys” who we are to know are very smart and good, but not smart and good in any specific or relevant way.

It’s the Platonic ideal of the standard wingnut “I don’t need to prove it, it is known” declaration.

At this point, my theory is that he’s The Shadow, except he clouds men’s minds and they think he’s competent.

Note: whenever Trumps mentions his sources, I imagine five 60-ish men in bowling shirts at a sandwich shop. Not a good sandwich shop, either.

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Kragar  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:31:41pm
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Tigger2  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:31:53pm

re: #42 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWHUT

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:34:09pm

When fucking Moody’s says, “yeah, this guy is a tit, also moneypocalypse” it’s a good idea to pause and consider.

When Moody’s and Noam Chomsky say “lol #fuckno” everybody should just run like spooked gazelles from a Serengeti watering hole.

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majii  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:36:10pm

Steve King, as usual, is lying to cover the real reason he wanted to pass his amendment. The only reason the Rules Cmte decided not to permit a vote on it is due to the damage Trump has done to “minority outreach” with his attacks on Judge Curiel. If King’s amendment wasn’t related to racism and sexism, why did he feel the need to mention it at all in the interview? The answer is because these were the two main reasons for writing the amendment. How he sleeps at night is anyone guess. The man is an unrepentant, bigoted, homophobic, Christianity-abusing, divisive, racist, lying *ss tool.

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TedStriker  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:36:46pm

re: #41 Teukka

Is it at this juncture I’m supposed to speak “We have one who sees” into my watch, or raise my finger while pointing at you and let out a bloodcurdling scream?

“You are NOT of the body!”

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Kragar  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:39:28pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:41:48pm

Mosquitoes are assholes. That is all.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:42:48pm
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LoonRadio  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:50:09pm

Harriet Tubman is more of a badass than you are, Steve.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:54:25pm

re: #63 LoonRadio

Harriet Tubman is more of a badass than you are, Steve.

That’s not even an apples to oranges comparison.

That is a Bruce Lee to spaghetti squash comparison.

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Scout  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:58:24pm

Speaking of Harriet Tubman and the $20 bill, this is a really interesting article on the significance of that sum of money in her life:

japantimes.co.jp

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KGxvi  Jun 21, 2016 • 8:59:43pm

re: #53 thedopefishlives

Upping the capital gains tax? I’m actually impressed and pleased. The top marginal rate does not affect as many people as popular opinion maintains. Most millionaires and billionaires generate their annual income via capital gains.

Actually 20% is the top capital gains rate, kicks in at the same level as the highest income tax bracket.

Personally, I think taxes are fine where they are. But for some reason “leave shit well enough alone” never seems to be a popular campaign strategy

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KGxvi  Jun 21, 2016 • 9:01:29pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

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I love the fact that it’s rated “mostly true” because the number of Trump bankruptcy filings is actually higher

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2016 • 9:05:31pm

re: #66 KGxvi

Actually 20% is the top capital gains rate, kicks in at the same level as the highest income tax bracket.

Personally, I think taxes are fine where they are. But for some reason “leave shit well enough alone” never seems to be a popular campaign strategy

I think they could be a bit higher, and we could pay for things like infrastructure, education, and health care. I do not think any secondary school should have to have fund raisers.

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Belafon  Jun 21, 2016 • 9:06:18pm

re: #67 KGxvi

I love the fact that it’s rated “mostly true” because the number of Trump bankruptcy filings is actually higher

It’s also rated mostly true because he wasn’t completely in charge of the companies, most of the time he was just an investor. But they couldn’t let him get away with no fault.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 21, 2016 • 9:06:55pm
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Joe Bacon  Jun 21, 2016 • 9:09:41pm
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KGxvi  Jun 21, 2016 • 9:12:43pm

re: #68 Belafon

I think they could be a bit higher, and we could pay for things like infrastructure, education, and health care. I do not think any secondary school should have to have fund raisers.

I’d be fine with making the top capital gains rate 22% or maybe even 25%. But I also think a bigger part of the problem is our priorities at the state and federal level. (And given interest rates at the moment, running a deficit isn’t the end of the world, especially when most of the debt is owned by the federal government or domestic investors)

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Joe Bacon  Jun 21, 2016 • 9:17:32pm

re: #72 KGxvi

I’d be fine with making the top capital gains rate 22% or maybe even 25%. But I also think a bigger part of the problem is our priorities at the state and federal level. (And given interest rates at the moment, running a deficit isn’t the end of the world, especially when most of the debt is owned by the federal government or domestic investors)

Your last sentence is absolutely hitting the bulls-eye! I’m thinking of lots of people who have invested in US Savings Bonds and/or Treasury bills who would be wiped out if Trump was let loose to redeem those bonds/bills at pennies on the dollar…

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Great White Snark  Jun 21, 2016 • 9:18:31pm
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Belafon  Jun 21, 2016 • 9:21:29pm

re: #72 KGxvi

I’d be fine with making the top capital gains rate 22% or maybe even 25%. But I also think a bigger part of the problem is our priorities at the state and federal level. (And given interest rates at the moment, running a deficit isn’t the end of the world, especially when most of the debt is owned by the federal government or domestic investors)

I would love to see Texas have an income tax and pay for the stuff it’s supposedly required to pay for, so I agree with the idea that the states need to do something. And I also agree that we could financially take on more debt. But we can’t politically right now. But even if we could, I don’t want to see taking on the debt as a substitute for the idea that would should raise taxes to pay for things that are important to the country. The wealthy can pay a bit more and not suffer, and paying for the things we need would be good. More importantly, I want to end the idea that being taxed is the worst thing in the world.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2016 • 9:21:35pm
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Kragar  Jun 21, 2016 • 9:22:30pm
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Belafon  Jun 21, 2016 • 9:24:52pm

re: #77 Kragar

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Now we need Trump to give a speech about how the Republican party is abandoning him. Have his followers turn on the party, especially if he loses.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2016 • 9:25:46pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

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majii  Jun 21, 2016 • 9:30:35pm

re: #77 Kragar

Say it ain’t so that Trump is having problems hiring a new communications director. It took Trump becoming the 2017 GOP presidential nominee for some republicans to suddenly become “concerned” about working for a GOP politician. Imagine that.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 21, 2016 • 9:31:20pm

I think we should add a depiction of the “Trail of Tears” on the back of the Tubman $20 just to add insult to injury. ;)

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Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)  Jun 21, 2016 • 9:33:58pm

re: #66 KGxvi

Personally, I think taxes are fine where they are.

The massive increases in wealth and income inequality indicate otherwise.

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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2016 • 9:47:22pm

Such a pretty song…

“Gone for Good” (Lyric Video)

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Shimshon  Jun 21, 2016 • 9:52:16pm

Person of Interest is now over forever, and I’m drunk and depressed.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 21, 2016 • 9:52:59pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

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He threw on a two piece suit for the occasion, but he still looks disheveled. I guess he’s offering his A-1 oppo services to The Donald.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 21, 2016 • 9:56:11pm

re: #84 Shimshon

Person of Interest is now over forever, and I’m drunk and depressed.

You know, I had not watched this series at all, until I caught last week’s episode. Now I may need to start at the beginning, because it looks really good.

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Shimshon  Jun 21, 2016 • 9:59:46pm

re: #86 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

You know, I had not watched this series at all, until I caught last week’s episode. Now I may need to start at the beginning, because it looks really good.

I do not watch many series on tv, but POI always caught my attention because they did tech right, and told great stories. I’ve watched since the beginning and highly recommend you start from there. The long seasons had some filler episodes in the middle that were a little predictable, but the entire series from start to finish I enjoyed. They had a short season for this final one but it was some great tv.

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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2016 • 9:59:58pm

re: #84 Shimshon

Person of Interest is now over forever, and I’m drunk and depressed.

I felt the same way about Breaking Bad. I was bawling my eyes out after the last episode.

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Kragar  Jun 21, 2016 • 10:01:09pm
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Tigger2  Jun 21, 2016 • 10:03:49pm

re: #84 Shimshon

Person of Interest is now over forever, and I’m drunk and depressed.

I hate that the series is over it was awesome., I hope CBS doesn’t put another reality show on I hate those.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 21, 2016 • 10:04:12pm

re: #89 Kragar

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Slate has a reporter in the state, and she visited the home. The in-laws were there minding the kids, and ma and pa Adkins were nowhere to be found

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Shimshon  Jun 21, 2016 • 10:08:47pm

re: #90 Tigger2

I hate that the series is over it was awesome., I hope CBS doesn’t put another reality show on I hate those.

The cast was a perfect fit and the writing was the best. It wasn’t a dumbed down show with fake tech it really told a story. I am really going to miss this show.

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Tigger2  Jun 21, 2016 • 10:13:41pm

re: #92 Shimshon

The cast was a perfect fit and the writing was the best. It wasn’t a dumbed down show with fake tech it really told a story. I am really going to miss this show.

I didn’t like it when they killed Carter off but I understood that her contract was up and she wanted to move on.

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austin_blue  Jun 21, 2016 • 10:14:53pm

re: #72 KGxvi

I’d be fine with making the top capital gains rate 22% or maybe even 25%. But I also think a bigger part of the problem is our priorities at the state and federal level. (And given interest rates at the moment, running a deficit isn’t the end of the world, especially when most of the debt is owned by the federal government or domestic investors)

How about this: Index capital gains for inflation and treat it as earned income and tax it accordingly. Get rid of the cap on the Social Security tax and apply it to actual salary, with a match from the business that is paying the salary. Oh, and increase the graduated income tax back to a 75% cap on the highest earners where it was when we were paying off debt form WWII. As I recall, that didn’t stop economic expansion during the 50’s.

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Shimshon  Jun 21, 2016 • 10:20:34pm

re: #93 Tigger2

I didn’t like it when they killed Carter off but I understood that her contract was up and she wanted to move on.

I agree but she moved on to a show that gives her a larger role and more publicity. Plus it worked out in the show’s story, you can’t do what they did and not have associates dying.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 21, 2016 • 10:22:50pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2016 • 10:28:17pm

Happy Birthday Shiplord Kirel! We look forward to many more successful trips around the Sun!

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 21, 2016 • 10:29:04pm

re: #94 austin_blue

How about this: Index capital gains for inflation and treat it as earned income and tax it accordingly. Get rid of the cap on the Social Security tax and apply it to actual salary, with a match from the business that is paying the salary. Oh, and increase the graduated income tax back to a 75% cap on the highest earners where it was when we were paying off debt form WWII. As I recall, that didn’t stop economic expansion during the 50’s.

i rise to second the motion!

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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2016 • 10:41:51pm

Well-written article at Vox.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 21, 2016 • 10:47:26pm

re: #72 KGxvi

I’d be fine with making the top capital gains rate 22% or maybe even 25%. But I also think a bigger part of the problem is our priorities at the state and federal level. (And given interest rates at the moment, running a deficit isn’t the end of the world, especially when most of the debt is owned by the federal government or domestic investors)

I’d do 25% on top bracket long term capital gains in a heartbeat, but graduate the rates a bit more evenly in 5% steps keeping the current exemption. I’d try to make up any shortfall by disallowing the deduction of gambling losses from gains, including all short term speculative day trading losses. I want market stability, and don’t think we should be subsidizing short term trades that go bad. I’d make one key exemption for traditional commodities brokers working for actual legitimate interests capable of taking delivery of the goods they’re trading in, like fuel refineries, agricultural companies, etc. If you’re not ever going to be taking delivery of tons of hog bellies you’ve got no legit need to be trading in hog bellies.

re: #94 austin_blue

How about this: Index capital gains for inflation and treat it as earned income and tax it accordingly. Get rid of the cap on the Social Security tax and apply it to actual salary, with a match from the business that is paying the salary. Oh, and increase the graduated income tax back to a 75% cap on the highest earners where it was when we were paying off debt form WWII. As I recall, that didn’t stop economic expansion during the 50’s.

I honestly don’t think you can get over 40 to 45% top bracket rate in today’s world. There are vastly greater options for capital flight than existed in the 1950’s. Once you get over 50% there’s a real psychological barrier that kicks in so that the mere existence of the rate can have a drag effect the economy and national dialog.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 21, 2016 • 10:49:20pm

re: #82 Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)

The massive increases in wealth and income inequality indicate otherwise.

Very much this. Because taxes are so light on the wealthiest, they end up with huge piles of money that goes around looking for get-richer-quick schemes, like Internet stocks or Mortgage Backed Securities or Hedge Funds. Money pours into a market, and the next thing you know, one single tulip bulb is worth more than a mansion on the finest street in Amsterdam.

Briefly.

Then it’s worth a whole lot less.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 21, 2016 • 10:55:58pm

re: #99 teleskiguy

Well-written article at Vox.

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Hate to be anal, but it’s a hand guard, not a barrel shroud.
Barrel shrouds protect against accidental contact with heated barrels, and are not expected to be grabbed or held. While hand guards are specifically designed with the expectation of being used to hold/control the weapon.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 21, 2016 • 10:57:01pm

I’d also kill the mortgage interest deduction on second homes. That one bugs the shit out of me, we shouldn’t be subsidizing speculative real estate acquisition, all it does is drive up housing costs and rent for everyone. I’d probably also reduce the amount of property tax a person can deduct from federal income tax on non-primary residences by some non-trivial percentage just to hammer the point in.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 21, 2016 • 11:11:20pm

re: #103 goddamnedfrank

I’d also kill the mortgage interest deduction on second homes. That one bugs the shit out of me, we shouldn’t be subsidizing speculative real estate acquisition, all it does is drive up housing costs and rent for everyone. I’d probably also reduce the amount of property tax an person can deduct from federal income tax on non-primary residences by some non-trivial percentage just to hammer the point in.

Seriously, think about what it would mean if wealthy people couldn’t deduct the entire $111,000 property tax on their $10 million third home in Malibu or Aspen or whatever from their federal income taxes, but had to eat half or all of that bill. Same rule would apply to all landlords / property management company holdings. Phase something like that in over twenty years 2.5% per year to avoid instant market panic and young families in this country might be able to secure housing again.

It might, shit it probably would cause another housing market crash so we’d have to be careful to help people’ whose mortgages go underwater, but we’d emerge as a nation with far less housing predation by the upper classes on the lower ones.

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William Lewis  Jun 21, 2016 • 11:11:56pm

re: #99 teleskiguy

Well-written article at Vox.

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Well, sort of. It talks around but not about how the majority of those features can be put on any other rifle. A flash suppressor can also be a recoil suppressor and have value on a long range target shooting rifle.

It also fails to understand that it is the magazine capacity and ability to rapidly reload that make semi-automatic rifles more dangerous in these situations. For example, a 70 year old US Army M-1 carbine with its 15 or 30 magazines would be just as dangerous in a mass shooting as a brand new AR type rifle. The California solution, upheld after Heller, of the bullet button magazine catch limiting the ability to quickly reload is a far better one than any unenforceable ban bases on esthetics.

As one last thought, I sold my M-1 carbine at a major loss last year when the seriousness of my son’s issues became apparent. That carbine with its large capacity quick change magazines is far more dangerous than, for example, a lever action cowboy rifle.

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GrFace  Jun 21, 2016 • 11:15:32pm

re: #74 Great White Snark

For that matter you’d think the party of Lincoln would love to have a daring Civil War military leader (Combahee River Campaign) on the $20 rather than… You know… An unapologetic slave holder.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 21, 2016 • 11:15:58pm

re: #77 Kragar

I’d say they’ll come up with a shit ton of money to pay someone to do it but then they’re broke so…

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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2016 • 11:19:40pm

re: #105 William Lewis

No pistol grips. Make it harder to modify. I don’t, man. Our gun fetish problem gets worse and worse. And these semantic arguments mean shit to me.

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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2016 • 11:26:24pm

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Whenever the gun issue comes up, I read @Stonekettle’s BANG BANG CRAZY essays. Good stuff. Morning of the Orlando massacre I was reading Jim Wright and what he thought about guns. A lot of wisdom in there.

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teleskiguy  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:06:07am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:26:21am

re: #101 Blind Frog Belly White

Very much this. Because taxes are so light on the wealthiest, they end up with huge piles of money that goes around looking for get-richer-quick schemes, like Internet stocks or Mortgage Backed Securities or Hedge Funds. Money pours into a market, and the next thing you know, one single tulip bulb is worth more than a mansion on the finest street in Amsterdam.

Briefly.

Then it’s worth a whole lot less.

In an age of closed, national economies, there was at least a chance that the money would flow back “down” to American workers. But since capital is now freed from the shackles of national borders, it can seek the highest rate of return, which is often far, far away from those who are taxed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:29:37am

Third night in a row that I have been awakened by frenzied kittehs chasing bats in the house.
And another successful bat rescue and release to the outdoors.

I’m getting too old for this…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:32:55am

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

Third night in a row that I have been awakened by frenzied kittehs chasing bats in the house.
And another successful bat rescue and release to the outdoors.

I’m getting too old for this…

Ask Robin to do it next time…

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teleskiguy  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:53:44am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 22, 2016 • 3:04:43am

re: #114 teleskiguy

He has an aftershave named after him?

Oh dear god, he does!

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Alyosha  Jun 22, 2016 • 3:06:15am

re: #115 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He has an aftershave named after him?

Oh dear god, he does!

Repurposed Trump vodka.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2016 • 3:11:54am

re: #116 Alyosha

Repurposed Trump vodka.

vodka is the base, the aroma is derived from the adrenaline-soaked sweat of dedicated, passionate Trump fans after beating up a protester

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Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2016 • 3:16:37am

re: #105 William Lewis

Well, sort of. It talks around but not about how the majority of those features can be put on any other rifle. A flash suppressor can also be a recoil suppressor and have value on a long range target shooting rifle.

It also fails to understand that it is the magazine capacity and ability to rapidly reload that make semi-automatic rifles more dangerous in these situations. For example, a 70 year old US Army M-1 carbine with its 15 or 30 magazines would be just as dangerous in a mass shooting as a brand new AR type rifle. The California solution, upheld after Heller, of the bullet button magazine catch limiting the ability to quickly reload is a far better one than any unenforceable ban bases on esthetics.

As one last thought, I sold my M-1 carbine at a major loss last year when the seriousness of my son’s issues became apparent. That carbine with its large capacity quick change magazines is far more dangerous than, for example, a lever action cowboy rifle.

As presented here (graphic) it also loses the distinction between “assault rifle” and “assault weapon”. The first is a somewhat vaguely defined term of art and usually includes the select fire feature. The second is defined in detail in the lapsed AWB and the laws of the states that still control them, and includes semi-auto. Those bans can include a weapon if it meets some number from the smorgasbord of features.

This is all BS after you’re shot, of course, but holds ritual significance to the Danas of the world.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 22, 2016 • 3:19:40am

re: #118 Decatur Deb

As presented here (graphic) it also loses the distinction between “assault rifle” and “assault weapon”. The first is a somewhat vaguely defined term of art and usually includes the select fire feature. The second is defined in detail in the lapsed AWB and the laws of the states that still control them, and includes semi-auto. Those bans can include a weapon if it meets some number from the smorgasbord of features.

This is all BS after you’re shot, of course, but holds ritual significance to the Danas of the world.

One must properly know all the arcane details of a firearm in order to properly comment on its use, after all.
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2016 • 3:20:03am

re: #118 Decatur Deb

As presented here (graphic) it also loses the distinction between “assault rifle” and “assault weapon”. The first is a somewhat vaguely defined term of art and usually includes the select fire feature. The second is defined in detail in the lapsed AWB and the laws of the states that still control them, and includes semi-auto. Those bans can include a weapon if it meets some number from the smorgasbord of features.

This is all BS after you’re shot, of course, but holds ritual significance to the Danas of the world.

The idea is to derail the discussion by pointing out that you invalid because you do not know the distinction between an “assault rifle” and an “assault weapon” and to get you to shut up and stop asking why so many children and innocent bystanders need to die in the name of a flawed interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.

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Alyosha  Jun 22, 2016 • 3:20:49am

re: #117 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

vodka is the base, the aroma is derived from the adrenaline-soaked sweat of dedicated, passionate Trump fans after beating up a protester

‘Pheromones in scent may trigger wasp attacks.’

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Timothy Watson  Jun 22, 2016 • 4:09:40am

Just watched the last episode of Person of Interest.

:’(
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2016 • 4:24:40am

Reuters Poll: Clinton’s Lead over Trump Narrows to Nine Points

This is the only way they can make a horse race out of this election: to start Hillary way ahead and make a big to-do over DT gaining a few tenths of a percentage point in Missouri or elsewhere…

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Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2016 • 4:25:54am

re: #123 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

No-go link.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2016 • 4:26:16am

re: #124 Decatur Deb

fixed

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Jun 22, 2016 • 4:26:49am

Germany may charge VW Executives in diesel-gate.

The news was released in steady drips for maximum effect. Yesterday, Reuters reported that German prosecutors had started a criminal probe against former VW CEO Martin Winterkorn and another senior executive who were suspected of market manipulation related to the emissions scandal. This came after charges were filed by Germany’s BaFin financial regulator, the country’s equivalent of the SEC. Later in the day, it was reported that the second senior exec is Volkswagen brand chief Herbert Diess. Then this morning, Reuters said that BAFIN had filed criminal charges against the complete Volkswagen board as of September 2015. This includes the current CEO Matthias Müller, and the then CFO Hans Dieter Pötsch, who now is Chairman of the company’s Supervisory Board

But there are always flies in the vaseline:

The prosecutors are in a delicate situation: They report to the state government of Lower Saxony, Volkswagen’s second-largest shareholder. The state’s premier Stephan Weil and its economy minister Olaf Lies have a seat on Volkswagen’s Supervisory Board.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2016 • 4:29:45am

re: #126 Buyers Remorse

Germany may charge VW Executives in diesel-gate.

But there are always flies in the vaseline:

The prosecutors are in a delicate situation: They report to the state government of Lower Saxony, Volkswagen’s second-largest shareholder. The state’s premier Stephan Weil and its economy minister Olaf Lies have a seat on Volkswagen’s Supervisory Board.

Not only does the state of Lower Saxony hold a 20% interest in VW, they also have the right to veto any majority takeover.

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Ming5000  Jun 22, 2016 • 4:30:11am

re: #123 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am glad The Bern is hardly showing up in any of my news feeds. At this point, I wonder what he is thinking. With the awful competitor that Trump is to HRC, Bernie is so irrelevant to the process that from here through the convention he can be dismissed. He is not a help to GOTV or down ticket. He does not have the delegate count or party support to do anything at the convention.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2016 • 4:30:20am

re: #125 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

fixed

I always read the comments. 100% whackjobs there.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2016 • 4:31:58am

re: #129 Decatur Deb

I always read the comments. 100% whackjobs there.

I read newsmax for the same reason I used to read Pravda: to find out the Party Line and its talking points.

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Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2016 • 4:33:15am

re: #128 Ming5000

I am glad The Bern is hardly showing up in any of my news feeds. At this point, I wonder what he is thinking. With the awful competitor that Trump is to HRC, Bernie is so irrelevant to the process that from here through the convention he can be dismissed. He is not a help to GOTV or down ticket. He does not have the delegate count or party support to do anything at the convention.

I imagine that, as the press scales back and he realizes how irrelevant he is to the process moving forward, one of two things will happen: His ego will deflate to the point that he agrees to drop his talk of a “contested convention” and endorse her or his ego will become even more bruised by the media treating Hillary as the nominee and make a huge stink at the convention.

Neither of which will accomplish much for him besides making it clear that he’s lost, but the former may actually save his career in politics. The latter will make him a pariah and pretty much guarantee that he will have to stage a serious fight in ‘18.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2016 • 4:34:18am

re: #128 Ming5000

I am glad The Bern is hardly showing up in any of my news feeds. At this point, I wonder what he is thinking. With the awful competitor that Trump is to HRC, Bernie is so irrelevant to the process that from here through the convention he can be dismissed. He is not a help to GOTV or down ticket. He does not have the delegate count or party support to do anything at the convention.

He made a major and lasting contribution to electoral politics in America: he raised a lot of awareness about the rules for party primary elections.

Remember folks:

These are not democratic elections, they are more like a marketing survey so that the parties can see how well their candidates perform.

and

Registering for a particular party does not signify support or membership, it just means that you have chosen to participate in that party’s primary (in a closed primary state)

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Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2016 • 4:34:55am

re: #131 Targetpractice

I imagine that, as the press scales back and he realizes how irrelevant he is to the process moving forward, one of two things will happen: His ego will deflate to the point that he agrees to drop his talk of a “contested convention” and endorse her or his ego will become even more bruised by the media treating Hillary as the nominee and make a huge stink at the convention.

Neither of which will accomplish much for him besides making it clear that he’s lost, but the former may actually save his career in politics. The latter will make him a pariah and pretty much guarantee that he will have to stage a serious fight in ‘18.

Bernie needs some time for quiet reflection, maybe get in a little fly fishing. They catch flies in Vermont, don’t they?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 22, 2016 • 4:38:35am

Yet another scary animal story from the land of Oz:

Australian woman wakes to 5m python surprise

A huge snake that has lived in the roof of an Australian home for 10 years has tried to upgrade to the master bedroom.

Trina Hibberd, from Mission Beach in Queensland, woke on Monday to find the 5.2m scrub python named Monty stretched from her lounge room to her bedroom.

Monty managed to turn on a light and knock over a lamp before snake-catcher Dave Goodwin arrived.

bbc.com

At least she didn’t wake with the fella wrapped around her.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2016 • 4:40:41am

re: #134 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Yet another scary animal story from the land of Oz:

bbc.com

At least she didn’t wake with the fella wrapped around her.

And it wasn’t poisonous…

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Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2016 • 4:40:59am

re: #132 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He made one major and lasting contribution to electoral politics in America: he made lots of us aware about the rules for party primary elections. Remember folks:

These are not democratic elections, they are more like a marketing survey so that the parties can see how well their candidates perform.

and

Registering for a particular party does not signify support or membership, it just means that you have chosen to participate in that party’s primary (in a closed primary state)

Personally think Bernie’s biggest contribution to American politics is demonstrating that the Obama coalition was not a fluke or a temporary thing, it’s the shape of the DNC going forward. That the white vote is not the be-all, end-all of electoral politics and candidates who cater exclusively to it are doomed in the long term. That candidates who can’t reliably tap into the minority vote are not going to last long.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2016 • 4:43:36am

re: #136 Targetpractice

Personally think Bernie’s biggest contribution to American politics is demonstrating that the Obama coalition was not a fluke or a temporary thing, it’s the shape of the DNC going forward. That the white vote is not the be-all, end-all of electoral politics and candidates who cater exclusively to it are doomed in the long term. That candidates who can’t reliably tap into the minority vote are not going to last long.

That has to do with demographics and reflects the fact that being loud and outrageously “conservative” plays well in GOP primaries, but does not pan out into national majorities.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 22, 2016 • 4:48:31am

Speaking of Australia, I’ve been watching a mini-series called “Cleverman.” It’s set in Australia and features many Aborigine and non-Aborigine actors, including Iain Glenn (aka Jorah Mormont) and Frances O’Connor. It’s on the Sundance channel in the States.

The premise is a race of “subhumans” called the Hairies suddenly appeared six months earlier nationwide. The government has sequestered them into “zones,” with checkpoints and fences to keep them from mingling with the general population. Meanwhile, a young man has reluctantly inherited his grandfather’s role as the Cleverman, a superhero-like character who can bridge the gap between the Aborigine Dreaming and the physical world.

The series is clearly a commentary on the Australian government’s abysmal handing of refugees, but it also has some things to say about discrimination of Aborigines.

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ipsos  Jun 22, 2016 • 4:57:32am

Charles, that NBA Store ad is back and it’s once again dragging my browser down to the bottom of the page and making it impossible to scroll through comments here. Firefox on Win7.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 22, 2016 • 4:58:45am

re: #137 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That has to do with demographics and reflects the fact that being loud and outrageously “conservative” plays well in GOP primaries, but does not pan out into national majorities.

Especially when the supposed GOP minority outreach efforts are constantly undermined by the GOP candidates and elected officials.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2016 • 5:01:41am

re: #140 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Especially when the supposed GOP minority outreach efforts are constantly undermined by the GOP candidates and elected officials.

Because the GOP leadership has been hesitant to sit down and explain to these provincial fuckwits that what plays well in Paducah does not play well in other cities.

Remember when John McCain was shouted down at at a town hall rally for daring to state that Obama was an “honorable man” who they simply disagree with and want to vote out of office?

Town hall attendees don’t want to hear that, they have developed a taste for Red State Meat.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jun 22, 2016 • 5:05:20am

That stupid video as the bottom won’t let me before it goes back to the bottom. I can barely see what Oh screw it

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jun 22, 2016 • 5:23:06am

Changed computers. That fixed it. Now all I need is something to say.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 22, 2016 • 5:29:35am

Morning all.

Just a gator climbing over a fence..

Ninja Gator! Alligator climbs fence.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 22, 2016 • 5:39:13am

Oh come on… Don’t be sayin a gator killed the thread!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2016 • 5:42:31am

re: #145 Dave In Austin

Oh come on… Don’t be sayin a gator killed the thread!!

we are all being vewwy, vewwy quiet…

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 22, 2016 • 5:45:17am
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sagehen  Jun 22, 2016 • 5:58:44am

NY To Become First City To Provide Free Tampons At Schools, Shelters, Jails
talkingpointsmemo.com

NEW YORK (AP) — New York City is on track to become the nation’s first city to require free tampons and sanitary pads in public schools, homeless shelters and jails after lawmakers approved the idea Tuesday amid a national discussion of the costs of having a period.

The proposal, which Democratic Mayor Bill de Blasio’s administration supports, marks a new direction in activists’ push to dismantle what they see as unfair financial barriers between women and needed sanitary products. New York state lawmakers voted last month to become the sixth state to eliminate sales tax on the items.

City Councilwoman Julissa Ferreras-Copeland’s proposal would make pads and tampons free in restrooms that serve 300,000 schoolgirls, and it would guarantee the products’ availability to 23,000 women in homeless shelters and add the force of law to jail standards about sanitary supplies.

“They’re as necessary as toilet paper,” so they ought to be just as freely accessible, Ferreras-Copeland, a Democrat, said before Tuesday’s 49-0 vote.

Some of the financial disparities women face in their lifetimes the law can’t help, but this one they can.

If we didn’t get sneered at and called “unprofessional” and miss out on promotions for going without makeup, if women in offices could wear the same 4 outfits every day all year like the men do, that might also help our 401(k)s.

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jeffreyw  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:05:18am

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Good morning!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:07:21am

re: #148 sagehen

NY To Become First City To Provide Free Tampons At Schools, Shelters, Jails
talkingpointsmemo.com

Some of the financial disparities women face in their lifetimes the law can’t help, but this one they can.

If we didn’t get sneered at and called “unprofessional” and miss out on promotions for going without makeup, if women in offices could wear the same 4 outfits every day all year like the men do, that might also help our 401(k)s.

A female friend of mine once told me that women’s business clothing is less well made than men’s suits, so it wears out faster. She found a Brooks Brothers men’s blazer that fit her, and she wore it to death over several years before her new job as a restaurant critic somehow made the blazer smaller.

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sagehen  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:08:26am

re: #87 Shimshon

I do not watch many series on tv, but POI always caught my attention because they did tech right, and told great stories. I’ve watched since the beginning and highly recommend you start from there. The long seasons had some filler episodes in the middle that were a little predictable, but the entire series from start to finish I enjoyed. They had a short season for this final one but it was some great tv.

Bonus: Taraji P Henson (Cookie Lyons) was a badass cop in the first few seasons, and Enrico Colantani (Veronica Mars’ dad) was a gangster of ambiguous morality.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:13:04am

re: #88 teleskiguy

I felt the same way about Breaking Bad. I was bawling my eyes out after the last episode.

I was crying throughout the last episode of Person of Interest. And then there was the double gut-punch from three weeks ago.

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:19:06am

re: #114 teleskiguy

*gag*

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Timothy Watson  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:23:21am

re: #87 Shimshon

I do not watch many series on tv, but POI always caught my attention because they did tech right, and told great stories. I’ve watched since the beginning and highly recommend you start from there. The long seasons had some filler episodes in the middle that were a little predictable, but the entire series from start to finish I enjoyed. They had a short season for this final one but it was some great tv.

And even the filler episodes usually featured some theme or reference to an ongoing emotional conflict of a main character, which reminded me a lot of Fringe, another show involving J.J. Abrams.

Both Person of Interest and Fringe also featured short fifth and final seasons chock-full of call backs and continuity nods to previous seasons.

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:25:55am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area - mass transit delays this morning on our train line, which follows major delays last night in/out of Penn Station for LIRR, NJT, and Amtrak.

Nothing quite like a glimpse into the future where infrastructure continues failing b/c of short sighted policies and a refusal to properly fund mass transit.

/rant off.

Meanwhile, the delays gave me a chance to catch up on overnight news. Turns out there’s new details about the Orlando shooter that makes more sense as to why he picked the club to shoot up.

Hate and homophobia is an ugly thing, and the shooter took it to its extreme. He then threw in Islamic terror mumbo jumbo for good measure - but the more you look, the more it looks like a smokescreen for his true rationale. He was a closeted gay who hated himself and a particular group of gays for some possible interactions he had at the gay club.

Doesn’t excuse any of it, and it certainly doesn’t excuse what his wife may or may not have known.

But this much is certain - his killing spree was that much greater due to the easy availability of firearms.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:28:44am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:29:07am

re: #155 lawhawk

It is the perfect Rorschach test for America: from one point of view, you see nothing but Islamist terror and the threat posed by immigrants and their children, from another point of view you see a disturbed, socially marginalized individual, from another point of view, you see toxic hatred directed at minority groups.

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sagehen  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:31:06am

re: #144 Dave In Austin

Morning all.

Just a gator climbing over a fence..

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Didn’t gators used to be an endangered species and now they’re most emphatically not? There’s possibly even an alligator over-population problem?

Perhaps we should ask Fish & Game to determine a proper number of alligator tags to either lottery or auction to hunters. Do it as an every-ten-years event. I’d even buy a purse and a matching set of boots from the hide.

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:32:17am

re: #157 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:32:44am
When asked why he sponsored a failed amendment to prohibit the US Treasury from changing the $20 bill to feature freed slave Harriet Tubman, Iowa Republican caveman Steve King said it was because he was opposed to racism, sexism and divisiveness.

A desperate bid to be Trump’s VP.

half sarc

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:33:00am

re: #158 sagehen

Didn’t gators used to be an endangered species and now they’re most emphatically not? There’s possibly even an alligator over-population problem?

Perhaps we should ask Fish & Game to determine a proper number of alligator tags to either lottery or auction to hunters. Do it as an every-ten-years event. I’d even buy a purse and a matching set of boots from the hide.

Amos Moses

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:35:44am

re: #128 Ming5000

I am glad The Bern is hardly showing up in any of my news feeds. At this point, I wonder what he is thinking. With the awful competitor that Trump is to HRC, Bernie is so irrelevant to the process that from here through the convention he can be dismissed. He is not a help to GOTV or down ticket. He does not have the delegate count or party support to do anything at the convention.

I’m still weeding out the BernieOrBust people from my Twitter feed.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:40:08am

re: #116 Alyosha

Repurposed Trump vodka urine.

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:42:52am

Well, rumblings suggest that Rubio’s back in the Florida Senate race.

Guess he couldn’t abide by being on the sidelines doing nothing. He wants to be back in the Senate, where he did nothing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:42:59am

re: #163 The Vicious Babushka

Repurposed Trump vodka urine.

which itself is processed from Trump vodka…

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:44:05am

re: #165 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

YELLOW VODKA IS PEOPLE!

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:45:06am

I’ve long used “Trump had four bankruptcies” to cite Trump’s uneven business prowess.

Turns out that was an undercount of his bankruptcies.

He had six.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:47:01am

re: #167 lawhawk

I’ve long used “Trump had four bankruptcies” to cite Trump’s uneven business prowess.

Turns out that was an undercount of his bankruptcies.

He had six.

And how many small business went bankrupt because of Trump’s bankruptcies?

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:47:04am

Bankruptcy is just good business.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:50:41am

re: #155 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area - mass transit delays this morning on our train line, which follows major delays last night in/out of Penn Station for LIRR, NJT, and Amtrak.

Nothing quite like a glimpse into the future where infrastructure continues failing b/c of short sighted policies and a refusal to properly fund mass transit.

/rant off.

I hear you and raise you the nation’s capital’s Metro system as the poster child for infrastructure fail. DC Metro is going through a year long attempt to fix alllllll the f-ups that manglement had foisted on it. Officials Warn of Monthslong Metro Closures That Would Bring Literal Gridlock to D.C. is royally shafting MD, VA, and DC. Hell, WAMU has a podcast called Metropocalypse

Explosions and smoke-filled tunnels. Turf wars between government agencies. Frustrated riders and epic commutes. This has become the new normal on Washington’s Metro, which will spend a year rebuilding its tracks and re-engineering its culture. How did things get so bad? Will they ever be totally fixed? And what does the decline of “America’s subway” say about the nation’s deteriorating infrastructure? Metropocalypse, a weekly podcast from WAMU 88.5 News, explores the latest developments, answers riders’ burning questions and finds humor and insight amid our region’s commuting nightmares.

Safety or oversight, bah, we don’t need no steenkin’ oversight. The new GM of DC Metro seems to be moving in the correct direction, only time will tell, though.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:50:47am

re: #164 lawhawk

There’s a big difference between nothing to do and doing nothing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:50:55am

re: #169 Barefoot Grin

Bankruptcy is just good business.

Remember, corporations are people, but unlike people, corporations have been vested by the government with limited liability for their shareholders…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:51:19am

re: #171 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

There’s a big difference between nothing to do and doing nothing.

My life is dedicated to erasing that distinction.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:52:39am

re: #169 Barefoot Grin

Bankruptcy is just good business.

If only Darwin were a business man he would probably say it was one of the manifestations of natural business selection or something.

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:52:52am

re: #171 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

There’s a big difference between nothing to do and doing nothing.

Rubio is bent on merging the two.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:53:21am

re: #169 Barefoot Grin

Bankruptcy is just good business.

And we need to run government like a business.

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Skip Intro  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:53:29am

re: #77 Kragar

I wish the media would stop referring to Trump as the billionaire businessman or having a personal fortune without requiring some proof. The only source of this info is Trump, who is a well known serial liar.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:54:03am

re: #158 sagehen

As for endangered status, they were. Now they are actually farmed in LA and maybe Florida. There are active seasonal tagged hunts in Texas. Populations are stable if not booming. The reason you hear more about human interactions is not the gator populations themselves, but human encroachment into their habitat.

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:55:04am

In the hunt to find out more about Trump personal donations to charitable groups, it seems it’s quite difficult to find any entity that has received donations.

Trump has no problem using corporate in-kind donations as proxy for personal donations, but when it comes to putting his cash on the line, he falls short. Certainly falls short of other NY billionaires, like Bloomberg, let alone other real estate moguls or businessmen who have donated millions and have hospital wings, libraries, and other civic minded donations to their names.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:55:29am

Prince protege Judith Hill tells about the medical emergency that forced his pilot to make a quick landing. Prince had become unresponsive — the 1000-yard stare.

She says he was taking painkillers because his feet were in agony.

Despite spending so much time in his company, Hill said she was “unaware” that he was in chronic pain, caused by years of performing in high heels.

She said, “He was quick on his feet. Never said anything, that this is hurting, never a sign of struggle. That’s why it’s all very shocking.”

bbc.com

After that near-fatal episode, she said, Prince was trying hard to get his opiate addiction under control.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:56:06am

Never change New York Post, never change…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:57:43am

re: #181 FormerDirtDart

I took one look at that truck and thought “Hot Wheels car.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:57:57am

re: #179 lawhawk

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In the hunt to find out more about Trump personal donations to charitable groups, it seems it’s quite difficult to find any entity that has received donations.

Trump has no problem using corporate in-kind donations as proxy for personal donations, but when it comes to putting his cash on the line, he falls short. Certainly falls short of other NY billionaires, like Bloomberg, let alone other real estate moguls or businessmen who have donated millions and have hospital wings, libraries, and other civic minded donations to their names.

He gives away “rounds of golf” and then pays himself back in actual cash.

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:58:50am

re: #170 Le Lapin Tueur

Here in NJ, the fight is to properly fund the transportation trust fund. The plan on the table calls for a 23 cent per gallon hike to the motor fuels tax. That would at least bring the per gallon rate close to the rate of inflation, but doesn’t address the added costs of having borrowed billions against the fund.

And the price of the gas tax hike? The GOP effort to eliminate the estate tax.

So, once again, it’s a clear signal that the GOP wants to shift burdens from the rich on to everyone else.

Instead of using the estate tax revenues to further assist mass transit and infrastructure, the GOP wants to eliminate the revenue source as a sop to a wealthy few.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:59:51am

re: #184 lawhawk

Instead of using the estate tax revenues to further assist mass transit and infrastructure, the GOP wants to eliminate the revenue source as a sop to a wealthy few.

No tax cuts, no job creation…

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2016 • 6:59:53am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:02:16am

re: #186 FormerDirtDart

What a difference a month makes.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:03:15am

re: #161 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Amos Moses

Great song by a master picker

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BadgerB  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:03:32am

re: #94 austin_blue

How about this: Index capital gains for inflation and treat it as earned income and tax it accordingly.

Yes please. ALL income taxed at the same rate regardless of its source.
-
I agree with goddamnedfrank, I think the most you could boost rate would be to the high 40s. Maybe something like drop the bracket for 40% to $250,000/$300,000, add a 42.5% at $500K, and a 45% @ $1,000,000 and maybe 47.5% at $5,000,000.
-
At the risk of sounding like a Berner, how about replacing all deductions with ‘reductions’ based on a common discount rate.

With the current system if I give $1000, which is a big deal on my income, to a local food bank, the government rewards me for my generosity by cutting my tax owed by about $200. If Mr hedge fund guy gives the same $1000 to the same food bank he gets his taxes reduced by $400 for what was chump change to him.

Instead, establish a standard rate, say 25%, total all deductions then multiply by that rate to get your tax ‘reduction’.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:03:52am

re: #187 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

What a difference a month makes.

Was anybody paying any attention to anything he said at all in the first place? People in FL will vote for him because they recognize him from TV and he has an (R) behind his name

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:04:22am

re: #188 Eventual Carrion

Great song by a master picker

White soul music.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:04:44am

Off to teach English, BBL

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:05:18am

re: #190 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Was anybody paying any attention to anything he said at all in the first place? People in FL will vote for him because they recognize him from TV and he has an (R) behind his name

Hillary is polling very well in Florida. She’s going to make it hard on Rs in down ticket races.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:06:50am

re: #190 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Was anybody paying any attention to anything he said at all in the first place? People in FL will vote for him because they recognize him from TV and he has an (R) behind his name

That’s probably what he’s counting on, though any opponents will likely bring up his near continual absence from the Senate.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:07:52am

re: #193 I Would Prefer Not To

Hillary is polling very well in Florida. She’s going to make it hard on Rs in down ticket races.

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sagehen  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:09:43am

re: #155 lawhawk

Hate and homophobia is an ugly thing, and the shooter took it to its extreme. He then threw in Islamic terror mumbo jumbo for good measure - but the more you look, the more it looks like a smokescreen for his true rationale. He was a closeted gay who hated himself and a particular group of gays for some possible interactions he had at the gay club.

Why does it have to be either/or? Maybe the Islamic terror mumbo jumbo is why he chose to do a shooting, and homophobia or anti-Latino bigotry is why he chose that spot in particular. Why not a shopping mall, or the Disneyland ticket line, or a wet T-shirt contest on a crowded beach during Spring Break?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:09:50am

re: #186 FormerDirtDart

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He needs to be defeated. He’s a terrible person and Senator.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:11:06am

re: #195 FormerDirtDart

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I expect those will tighten up. Toomey barely won in 2010 with a very Republican electorate.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:11:09am

re: #187 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

What a difference a month makes.

Lack of a paycheck will make people desperate.

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:11:59am

According to BNA, the GOP is pushing for a tax overhaul that cuts the corporate tax rate to 20%, allows 100% business expensing, and eliminates interest deductions.

The bill isn’t yet ready for markup - this is just an outline.

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sagehen  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:12:27am

re: #164 lawhawk

Well, rumblings suggest that Rubio’s back in the Florida Senate race.

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Guess he couldn’t abide by being on the sidelines doing nothing. He wants to be back in the Senate, where he did nothing

find a lucrative lobbyist job.

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Skip Intro  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:12:49am

re: #197 HappyWarrior

Yeah but it’s Florida, the east coast version of Texas. Rubio may be an incompetent do nothing Senator, but what Republican ever lost a race because of that?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:13:02am

re: #199 Belafon

Lack of a paycheck will make people desperate.

That’s pretty much what this is. Probably holding out some delusion that he can run for President in 2020 too.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:13:41am

re: #202 Skip Intro

Yeah but it’s Florida, the east coast version of Texas. Rubio may be an incompetent do nothing Senator, but what Republican ever lost a race because of that?

True. I do think if Murphy runs a good enough campaign, Rubio can be beaten but it won’t be easy.

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Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:13:53am

re: #186 FormerDirtDart

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That was pretty predictable. For all the talk about how the GOP hates career politicians, they sure do seem to reluctant to find other employment.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:15:24am

re: #205 Targetpractice

That was pretty predictable. For all the talk about how the GOP hates career politicians, they sure do seem to reluctant to find other employment.

Their Speaker is an Ayn Rand fanboy whose private sector experience consists of working at McDonalds and his family business and yet they mock the President who has taught at the University of Chicago as a mere “community organizer.”

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:21:08am

The Trump donation tweet-storm keeps revealing insightful nuggets. None of it favorable to Trump:

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:21:24am

re: #204 HappyWarrior

True. I do think if Murphy runs a good enough campaign, Rubio can be beaten but it won’t be easy.

How strong Murphy will be coming out of the Senate primary is the question. Grayson can be a loose cannon, so there’s no telling what damage his campaign could do

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:22:26am

re: #190 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Or they believe his bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:25:12am

re: #208 FormerDirtDart

How strong Murphy will be coming out of the Senate primary is the question. Grayson can be a loose cannon, so there’s no telling what damage his campaign could do

That’s a good question.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:25:17am

re: #186 FormerDirtDart

Still could be a private citizen in January. Let’s hope.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:27:25am

re: #170 Le Lapin Tueur

I hear you and raise you the nation’s capital’s Metro system as the poster child for infrastructure fail. DC Metro is going through a year long attempt to fix alllllll the f-ups that manglement had foisted on it. Officials Warn of Monthslong Metro Closures That Would Bring Literal Gridlock to D.C. is royally shafting MD, VA, and DC. Hell, WAMU has a podcast called Metropocalypse

Safety or oversight, bah, we don’t need no steenkin’ oversight. The new GM of DC Metro seems to be moving in the correct direction, only time will tell, though.

Yesterday one of the stations shut down because of flooding, which produced some memorable pictures, waterfalls down the escalators.

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Teukka  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:28:33am

Another one…
3 dead, 1 injured in Thurston County shooting

Cue “If there’d been a good guy with a gun…

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Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:29:03am

“We’re not saying all Muslims!”

“So what are you saying?”

“We’re saying we just want to monitor all mosques, order the FBI to investigate any Muslim that acts suspicious, and treat all Muslims as potential terrorists until proven otherwise. Why can’t you see the difference?!”

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:33:11am

Hot Damn, Grandma’s gonna get a new pair of shoe laces this year…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:33:55am

re: #215 FormerDirtDart

Hot Damn, Grandma’s gonna get a new pair of shoe laces this year…

…from the second-hand shop.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:37:06am

Marco….

Pollo…

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:37:29am

re: #215 FormerDirtDart

Hot Damn, Grandma’s gonna get a new pair of shoe laces this year…

It’s that runaway Zimbabwe hyperinflation. Killing us.

///

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:41:59am

re: #215 FormerDirtDart

Meanwhile, inflation is about 1.0%, which is remarkably low, but 5 times more than the SSA COL increase.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:44:37am

It’s nice that inflation is low, but I think it masks a lack of demand,

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:47:41am

re: #84 Shimshon

Person of Interest is now over forever, and I’m drunk and depressed.

Was that not a fantastic finale? At the end I was like Noooooooooooooooooo! I hope Netflix picks it up. The ratings remain solid (top 25 shows of the season).

They only reason they let it die was money. CBS didn’t want WB (who makes it) to get all the residuals which is how it would have worked. Which makes no sense as CBS had a ratings giant with the related ad revenue. I guess that wasn’t enough. BAH.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:48:14am

re: #219 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Meanwhile, inflation is about 1.0%, which is remarkably low, but 5 times more than the SSA COL increase.

We could live with at least 3%. But the End The Fed! folks would freak out.

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:49:55am

re: #93 Tigger2

I didn’t like it when they killed Carter off but I understood that her contract was up and she wanted to move on.

She only took the role knowing it was for a limited run. She didn’t want to be on it for more than two years. That was a given going in. What a great character she was. I loved how they brought her back in season 4, too, for that one episode. Great show.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:50:48am

I see DT is taking the Bernie route

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Dave In Austin  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:51:14am

He’ll be off prompter in no time

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:52:00am

Daily Caller is a sewer dwelling clickhole right down there with Breitbart.

“To be clear: Ms. Alawa never served on HSAC itself—only the Subcommittee on Combating Violent Extremism. My piece reflected that distinction,” wrote reporter Peter Hasson in an email to CNNMoney. When asked about the backlash, Hasson wrote: “I wholeheartedly condemn any harassment or threats.”

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:52:42am

re: #123 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Reuters Poll: Clinton’s Lead over Trump Narrows to Nine Points

This is the only way they can make a horse race out of this election: to start Hillary way ahead and make a big to-do over DT gaining a few tenths of a percentage point in Missouri or elsewhere…

Good. Let them. Make more incentive for all dems to vote.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:57:27am
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makeitstop  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:57:49am

Has Trump’s Big Fantastic Hillary Speech started yet?

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:58:25am

I’d go to Ken Hamm’s stupid park if he made it a Noah’s Jurassic Park. That would be cool.

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:59:02am

re: #215 FormerDirtDart

Hot Damn, Grandma’s gonna get a new pair of shoe laces this year…

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Yeah, cheap ones from the Payless discount rack. Seriously, .2%.

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:59:04am

Trump speech underway…

Make America rich again.

Make our own products again? Bring manufacturers to US? We need it for our psyche?

Can we start with your own clothing lines?

Ummmm… talking history and GW promoting economic development. You do realize the US constitution includes economic development and promoting business/economic/science?

Aw fuckit. Gonna wait for the transcript.

The whole speech is a shitshow. And rehashing the same tired and debunked talking points.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:59:04am

re: #228 FormerDirtDart

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I think that’s the real reason why Marco is staying. He wanted to get on Florida 9/11 commission and then didn’t take his job seriously. Maybe he will after Orlando but this zebra doesn’t seem to change his spots.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 7:59:48am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:01:07am

re: #234 The Vicious Babushka

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Clinton is leading. Trump meanwhile is running a middle school campaign.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:02:31am

Li’l Whiplash has a sad…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:03:06am

re: #236 The Vicious Babushka

Li’l Whiplash has a sad…

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Yep Ben will be in Trump’s corner come Autumn.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:05:08am
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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:05:19am

re: #233 HappyWarrior

I think that’s the real reason why Marco is staying. He wanted to get on Florida 9/11 commission and then didn’t take his job seriously. Maybe he will after Orlando but this zebra doesn’t seem to change his spots.

I found the tweet amusing since he had just been nationally trounced by that long time public office holder, Donald Trump…

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:07:27am

re: #234 The Vicious Babushka

I have the best pivots. Believe me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:07:58am
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Stanley Sea  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:07:59am

re: #232 lawhawk

Trump speech underway…

Make America rich again.

Make our own products again? Bring manufacturers to US? We need it for our psyche?

Can we start with your own clothing lines?

Ummmm… talking history and GW promoting economic development. You do realize the US constitution includes economic development and promoting business/economic/science?

Aw fuckit. Gonna wait for the transcript.

The whole speech is a shitshow. And rehashing the same tired and debunked talking points.

We’re watching snake oil live.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:08:04am

GG was on Smerconish’s show about 45 mins ago. It was nauseating and riddled with bullshit as expected. He whined/claimed that Democrats want to create a “new terror watch list” that is in secret with no do justice that decides which Americans can get a gun. Fuck, he’s annoying.

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bratwurst  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:08:36am

It’s official: nostalgia for the Qaddafi regime is a plank in the Trump platform.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:09:00am

re: #232 lawhawk

From Daily Kos:

Shorter Drumpf:

I’m a hero because I made lots of money.

Hillary is evil because she made lots of money.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:09:16am

re: #232 lawhawk

Trump speech underway…

Make America rich again.

He didn’t spend the first 20 minutes talking about all the votes he got?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:09:36am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:09:49am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:10:07am

re: #244 bratwurst

It’s official: nostalgia for the Qaddafi regime is a plank in the Trump platform.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:10:13am

He thinks he can just drop “peaceful Muslims around the world” in his speech & all is good.

snake oil on a prompter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:10:57am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:11:18am

re: #236 The Vicious Babushka

Li’l Whiplash has a sad…

Baby Ben hates policy talk. Budget matters, programs and such. Just bring the stink, trash and mud.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:11:45am

re: #251 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hillary is a secret gay Muslim.

/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:11:50am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:12:34am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:12:41am

re: #254 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump: Clinton foreign policy has cost America “thousands of lives.” WTF is he talking about?
— Josh Rogin

The Iraq war?

9/11, which occurred on husband Bill’s watch, as we all know.

/

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dharmamark  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:12:59am

re: #253 Sir John Barron

Hillary is a secret gay Muslim.

/

From Kenya

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:13:22am

Projection is projecting bigly.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:13:22am

re: #250 Stanley Sea

He thinks he can just drop “peaceful Muslims around the world” in his speech & all is good.

snake oil on a prompter.

Oh well, lost the Pam Geller vote….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:13:57am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:14:45am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:15:56am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:16:06am

re: #261 Backwoods_Sleuth

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His lies are not only ugly, they’re stupid.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:16:28am
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Dr. Matt  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:16:45am

re: #263 HappyWarrior

His lies are not only ugly, they’re stupid.

Was he using a teleprompter?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:17:08am

re: #261 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump: “Hundreds of recent immigrants and their children have been convicted of terrorism inside the U.S.” FALSE.
— Josh Rogin

I had an affair with Kat Dennings.

I am a secret CIA agent person.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:17:17am

I’m honestly saddened that this probably won’t be the biggest electoral landslide in history. Trump deserves to lose every state, county, and precinct in this country.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:17:38am

re: #195 FormerDirtDart

I would love to see the Crosstabs. We have been have a chronic problem this year with Minorities (all of them) being undersampled, while Whites are oversampled.

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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:17:57am

God this ‘speech’ is awful. He can’t lift his eyes off the screen and what is with the snorts of breaths in between each sentence. He might as well be reading it off a sheet a paper.

Does he have actual proof of some of the charges he is making about the Clintons, and the shit about her emails. Or really any of this crap? He’s just flinging stuff at the wall.

It does appear he brought along his cheering squad with their “Trump - Trump - Trump” chant.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:18:20am

re: #265 Dr. Matt

Was he using a teleprompter?

yes

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:18:29am

re: #267 HappyWarrior

I’m honestly saddened that this probably won’t be the biggest electoral landslide in history. Trump deserves to lose every state, county, and precinct in this country.

The ghost of Barry Goldwater is might pissed. “I was a more serious candidate than this goofball.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:18:49am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:18:55am

re: #267 HappyWarrior

I’m honestly saddened that this probably won’t be the biggest electoral landslide in history. Trump deserves to lose every state, county, and precinct in this country.

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Teukka  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:19:02am

re: #270 Backwoods_Sleuth

yes

O.o
What the fuck has his speechwriters been snorting/huffing/injecting/smoking?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:19:47am

re: #269 ObserverArt

It does appear he brought along his cheering squad with there “Trump - Trump - Trump” chant.

That would be Don Jr and Eric, and probably the interns, too.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:19:56am

re: #271 Sir John Barron

The ghost of Barry Goldwater is might pissed. “I was a more serious candidate than this goofball.”

Alf Landon and George McGovern concur. Walter Mondale’s bummed out too.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:20:33am

re: #264 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is Christie there?

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Dave In Austin  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:20:37am

re: #274 Teukka

Italian Noodles….

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:20:54am

re: #274 Teukka

O.o
What the fuck has his speechwriters been snorting/huffing/injecting/smoking?

I think his speech writers are his children.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:21:06am

This guy really is running a middle school type campaign. Considering the average GOP voter’s intelligence on the issues is akin to a middle schooler, it’s no wonder why he won that primary but is losing to Clinton.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:21:22am

re: #277 Sir John Barron

Is Christie there?

He’s setting the table for lunch in the back.

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Teukka  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:21:46am

re: #279 I Would Prefer Not To

I think his speech writers are his children.

Question still stands, what the hell are they on?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:22:19am

re: #281 Dave In Austin

He’s setting the table for lunch in the back.

Christie setting the table = dog guarding henhouse.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:22:48am

re: #270 Backwoods_Sleuth

yes

Teleprompters are back to being OK I guess. I’m sure Mark Halperin thinks it’s fine for Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:23:08am

Honestly, Clinton not only needs to win but she needs to win big. Trump even being somewhat close with Clinton will discredit this country in a lot of people’s eyes. It should already discredit the Republican Party but it should not discredit the American people.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:23:30am

re: #282 Teukka

Question still stands, what the hell are they on?

Daddy’s money.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:23:55am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:24:49am

“Massive new factories will come ROARING into our country”

Offering FABULOUS WAGES of 33¢/hr!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:25:29am

Fuck, I can’t stand listening to that whiny nasal voice.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:25:32am

re: #287 The Vicious Babushka

Uh oh, they might lose their press credentials.

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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:25:49am

re: #284 Sir John Barron

Teleprompters are back to being OK I guess. I’m sure Mark Halperin thinks it’s fine for Trump.

If he would actually practice using one. This is as bad as anyone that ever looked bad using a teleprompter. And even as he reads his arrogance and asshole personality come through.

Oh…so much unbelievable support he is getting. So much so his party is running away from him and no one is sending in contributions for his stupid campaign.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:26:07am

re: #285 HappyWarrior

Honestly, Clinton not only needs to win but she needs to win big. Trump even being somewhat close with Clinton will discredit this country in a lot of people’s eyes. It should already discredit the Republican Party but it should not discredit the American people.

I wouldn’t pin too much hope on your statement. Most Republicans will vote for the R, and only Republicans get a mandate from winning. Democrats will once again have to work hard to get anything done.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:26:28am
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bratwurst  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:27:06am

It almost seems now like he is an orange balloon that is leaking air.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:27:15am

re: #292 Belafon

I wouldn’t pin too much hope on your statement. Most Republicans will vote for the R, and only Republicans get a mandate from winning. Democrats will once again have to work hard to get anything done.

Oh I know it’s a lot of hope.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:27:49am

re: #293 The Vicious Babushka

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Anyone who stops clapping has to listen to an Audible of the Art of the Deal FOREVER.

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Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:29:28am

re: #293 The Vicious Babushka

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“I didn’t get an ‘harumph’ out of that guy!”

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Stanley Sea  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:30:13am

re: #264 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That was ERIC? my dog.

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Franklin  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:30:29am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:31:12am
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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:31:24am
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Franklin  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:32:37am

Ooooho. Do we have a Trumpeter down dinging?

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Dave In Austin  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:32:44am

re: #299 Franklin

Yep, that just went back up as my FB cover…..

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:33:43am

Projection like an IMAX in outer space

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:34:04am

re: #301 lawhawk

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Or we could do both. And Trump pretending that he cares about the inner city is rich shit.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:34:22am

re: #302 Franklin

Ooooho. Do we have a Trumpeter down dinging?

I was wondering why my upding registered 0… WTF??

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:34:44am

re: #304 The Vicious Babushka

Projection like an IMAX in outer space

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Yeah that’s quite the projection from a man who has actually been sued for fraud.

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GrFace  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:35:22am

re: #247 Backwoods_Sleuth

So that he can pay himself for the venue. That seems to be a pattern.

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Franklin  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:36:13am

re: #306 Dave In Austin

I was wondering why my upding registered 0… WTF??

I’m going with accidental downding until proven otherwise. I retract my criticism of the downdinger.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:37:48am

re: #296 HappyWarrior

Anyone who stops clapping has to listen to an Audible of the Art of the Deal FOREVER.

They probably have those giant APPLAUSE signs around everywhere.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:38:30am

blogs.ancestry.com
This is pretty neat. As you guys know, I’m a genealogy buff and Vice President Biden like myself has a lot of Irish ancestry.

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calochortus  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:38:35am

Freepers loved the speech. They think it will destroy Hillary (and possibly the MSM which won’t be able to cover Trump’s brilliance up anymore.) It will lead to VICTORY, and have international implications, including tipping the British vote to favor the Brexit (I kid you not) as people are emboldened by his words.

Sorry I missed it. Oh wait, no I’m not.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:40:21am

re: #267 HappyWarrior

I’m honestly saddened that this probably won’t be the biggest electoral landslide in history. Trump deserves to lose every state, county, and precinct in this country.

Anything over 270 is just showing off. :)

Honestly, I just want a win. I don’t care if it’s an ass kicking, modest win, or by 0.1% differential. A Democrat NEEDS to be in the White House.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:40:27am

re: #308 GrFace

So that he can pay himself for the venue. That seems to be a pattern.

I said exactly that yesterday after he announced he would be giving his big speech in NYC.

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Franklin  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:40:36am

@RepJohnLewis is truly my hero

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:41:14am

re: #315 Franklin

@RepJohnLewis is truly my hero

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:42:19am

“Hillary Clinton wants to bring in people who believe women should be enslaved and gays put to death.”

if you really want women slaves and massacres of gays you must vote for kkraghgh! only kkraghgh has experience creating slave society!!

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calochortus  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:42:46am

re: #308 GrFace

So that he can pay himself for the venue. That seems to be a pattern.

If he has just licensed his name for the building, does he get to pay himself for the venue? Might just be that he can’t resist having his name plastered everywhere around him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:43:44am
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Dr. Matt  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:44:26am

re: #317 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

“Hillary Clinton wants to bring in people who believe women should be enslaved and gays put to death.”

If this were actually true, conservatives would vote for her.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:45:20am
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Franklin  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:45:31am

I think they cut to Trump:

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Franklin  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:45:50am

re: #322 Franklin

I think they cut to Trump:

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Or the cameras are ignoring the sit in

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Dave In Austin  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:46:07am

re: #321 Backwoods_Sleuth

I switched over to find Drumph spewing

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:46:51am

CSPAN1, usually the House channel, is showing the Trump clownshow.
Here’s another link for the House sit-in:

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Dave In Austin  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:47:05am

re: #323 Franklin

Majority leadership controls the cameras.

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Franklin  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:48:19am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:48:39am

re: #325 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sorry, thought it was a video link. I’m still looking.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:49:02am

re: #326 Dave In Austin

Majority leadership controls the cameras.

Fair is fair. Back when the Dems had the majority, and GOP Congressmen would stand at the podium delivering scathing speeches, pointing to specific Democrats, the House Dem leadership had the cameras occasionally pan to the empty chamber.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:49:19am
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:49:51am

• Mr. Trump changed his tone on Muslims, whom he has previously accused of being generally complicit in the violence carried out Islamic terrorists. “ISIS also threatens peaceful Muslims across the Middle East, and peaceful Muslims across the world, who have been terribly victimized by horrible brutality — and who only want to raise their kids in peace and safety,” he said.

trump am wimp!! kkraghgh promises to eat all muslims alive! only kkraghgh will drink your enemies’ blood!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:50:20am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:51:08am

I am glad to see the Dems standing up loudly on this.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:51:15am

re: #312 calochortus

Freepers loved the speech. They think it will destroy Hillary (and possibly the MSM which won’t be able to cover Trump’s brilliance up anymore.)

Can’t wait till November when all the RWNJ say Trump wasn’t a real conservative and the media created him, etc.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:51:57am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:52:29am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:52:51am

So apparently the guy who tried to kill Trump was a British guy whose visa expired and one of my wingnut friends is using it to “validate” that Trump is right about illegal immigration. Sigh.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:54:46am

Note to the GOP: You can ignore it but you can’t make it go away.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:55:06am

CSPAN is apparently hearing complaints:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:55:40am

re: #338 Eclectic Cyborg

Note to the GOP: You can ignore it but you can’t make it go away.

They need to be called pawns of the NRA and be told they have blood on their hands. And they certainly do every single time they refuse to support reasonable measures on guns and continue to act like gun violence isn’t a problem in this country.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:56:03am

re: #337 HappyWarrior

So apparently the guy who tried to kill Trump was a British guy whose visa expired and one of my wingnut friends is using it to “validate” that Trump is right about illegal immigration. Sigh.

I’m pretty sure the Native Americans would agree.

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:56:32am

re: #266 Sir John Barron

I had an affair with Kat Dennings.

I am a secret CIA agent person.

Yeah, that’s the ticket!

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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:57:09am

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

CSPAN is apparently hearing complaints:

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MSNBC is going to coverage of the house after their commercial break. Brian William called it “something unusual going on at the House.”

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Stanley Sea  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:57:59am

re: #343 ObserverArt

MSNBC is going to coverage of the house after their commercial break. Brian William called it “something unusual going on at the House.:

CNN is there now.

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:58:19am

re: #311 HappyWarrior

As, of course, does the president:

irishcentral.com

Thanks for that link btw.

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Franklin  Jun 22, 2016 • 8:58:39am

For those that haven’t read much about John Lewis but would like to, I highly recommend:

Walking with the Wind: A Memoir of the Movement

You’ll start to see Representative John Lewis as someone you’ve known since he was a little boy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:01:10am

#TurnTheCamerasOn is now a hashtag.

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gwangung  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:01:32am

re: #346 Franklin

For those that haven’t read much about John Lewis but would like to, I highly recommend:

Walking with the Wind: A Memoir of the Movement

You’ll start to see Representative John Lewis as someone you’ve known since he was a little boy.

Dude’s a colossus.

Of course, Bernie Bro’s call him corrupt….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:02:22am

CSPAN is back to the House

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sagehen  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:03:17am

re: #345 De Kolta Chair

As, of course, does the president:

irishcentral.com

Thanks for that link btw.

We knew that

Corrigan Brothers Late Late Show 7th November 2008

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:03:28am

Pledge Allegiance and the Republicans are shouting the words.

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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:04:11am

So the House Sit-in is being called ‘historic’ by the talking heads.

What would be historic is to actually have some real dialogue about guns in this country. If this sit-in helps get some attention then all the power to them for staging this.

Go Mr. Lewis. Show ‘em how it is done!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:04:31am

Ted Poe (R-Texas) trying to gain control of the floor from the speaker’s chair.
Is unsuccessful.
Puts the House in recess.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:05:57am

Ok, Not sure if it’s a coincidence and I applaud Rep Lewis and the rest for doing this but this did take the wind out of the sails of Trump’s speech. Then again given the epic level of BS in that speech it would have been nice to see him eviscerated for it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:06:05am

House will stay in recess until “order is restored”.
I’m guessing that will not be any time soon.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:07:03am

CSPAN now showing what happened earlier when John Lewis started this.

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Franklin  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:07:43am

CSPAN 1 is now replaying the beginning of the sit in where John Lewis and colleagues took spoke from podium

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sagehen  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:08:14am

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

House will stay in recess until “order is restored”.
I’m guessing that will not be any time soon.

If Senator Murphy and TX Wendy Davis can each stand and talk (and stay on-topic) for 15 hours… John Lewis and a bunch of members of Congress can sit at least twice that long.

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Bubblehead II  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:08:32am

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

House will stay in recess until “order is restored”.
I’m guessing that will not be any time soon.

Followed by the complaint that the House Ds were/are preventing them from doing the Peoples busisness

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:08:33am

Oh, I love John Lewis.
This is a great speech.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:09:05am

re: #345 De Kolta Chair

As, of course, does the president:

irishcentral.com

Thanks for that link btw.

Yep. I went through the home county of one of Obama’s great grandfathers when I was in Ireland. County Offaly is just a little west of Dublin. My family are mostly from Connemara and Ulster. Glad you liked the link. Irish genealogical research has proven oh so difficult for me even though I know the counties where a good amount of my family came from. I really would like to learn more but unfortunately there aren’t any records to be found of when my family lived there.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:09:25am

I’m really starting to like the more combative Democrats, and I say that as someone whose been one since I turned 18 in 1987.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:10:18am

SMOTI just retweeted Justin Raimondo.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:11:18am

re: #363 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI just retweeted Justin Raimondo.

Raimondo is a big Fascist Pat Buchanan fan IIRC. Very paleo-con.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:14:10am

WOW…that was amazing.
Hoping a transcript shows up soon.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:14:38am

re: #301 lawhawk

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That distills the complaints locals here have over Fed plans to locate a couple hundred refugees to NH. “Why them? We got problems, too (that I don’t want to pay to fix).”

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Dr. Matt  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:16:17am
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De Kolta Chair  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:16:52am

Damn, if I’d known it would be that big of a debacle, I would’ve called in sick and watched it.

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:17:04am
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Barefoot Grin  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:18:26am

re: #320 Dr. Matt

If this were actually true, conservatives would vote for her.

Yep. They’re already here and they’ve endorsed Trump.

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Franklin  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:19:54am

For those of us in MA, here is a little local flavor:

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:20:17am

re: #350 sagehen

We knew that

;-[) My favorite part is when they need another rhyme for Obama they just throw in Yokohama for the hell of it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:20:59am

re: #371 Franklin

For those of us in MA, here is a little local flavor:

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Given what happened to his grandfather and grand uncle, I’m not surprised to see him there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:21:48am

Scott Peters (D-CA/San Diego) is on periscope from the House floor.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:23:10am

re: #372 De Kolta Chair

;-[) My favorite part is when they need another rhyme for Obama they just throw in Yokohama for the hell of it.

The Irish do seem to like Obama. I studied abroad there his first summer as President. And I have to say as difficult Ireland is to research, the Irish people are very eager to help people of Irish descent like ourselves out and honestly pretty damn quick. Really is too bad that so many of the records simply do not exist or were destroyed.

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:23:29am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:23:59am

re: #376 wrenchwench

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Good stuff.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:24:48am

re: #367 Dr. Matt

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Lidane  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:25:08am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:27:03am

And while the GOP calls the sit in a “stunt” this is happening:

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Dr. Matt  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:27:13am

Another one that hates government is fighting to keep his government job. Amusing. Sorta.

Marco Rubio Uses Fox Platform To Announce Re-Election Bid

CHRIS WALLACE: Senator, why did you change your mind and decide to run for re-election, and did the Orlando massacre play a role?

SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R-FL): Well, first, I know people in politics don’t like to admit they’ve changed their mind, but I’ve changed my mind, and the people of Florida deserve to know why. And there’s a lot of reasons, you know I think it’s clearly outlined that I’m frustrated by what’s happening here in the Senate — most Americans are — with the gridlock and the inability to move forward on things. But the Senate’s also a place where you can serve your constituents with constituent service which is very rewarding, and I said that during the campaign. It’s a place where we can hopefully be able to still move on some major issues, although that hasn’t happened enough, but we were able to do a little of that. But I think the real reason, and the deepest reason why is, I think no matter who wins this presidential election, the Senate’s role of being able to act as a check and balance on bad ideas from the president I think are going to matter more in 2017 than they perhaps have ever have in our history. And that’s saying a lot given what we are facing now, so I really, deeply believe that I can contribute to that. I want to contribute to that. And I think whether it’s Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, our next president — sorry, no matter who the next president is, we are going to need senators that are willing to encourage them to make the right decisions.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:27:56am
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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:28:13am

re: #379 Lidane

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:28:45am

re: #380 Backwoods_Sleuth

And while the GOP calls the sit in a “stunt” this is happening:

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Stunt? No, GOP, a stunt was your multiple attempts to repeal ACA while the guy who wrote is still in office. That’s a stunt.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:29:30am

Throw Donald Trump down the drain
So that our nation can be free!

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Skip Intro  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:29:49am

re: #236 The Vicious Babushka

Li’l Whiplash has a sad…

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But he’ll still be voting for Trump.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:31:49am

re: #362 Belafon

I’m really starting to like the more combative Democrats, and I say that as someone whose been one since I turned 18 in 1987.

I don’t like the breakdown of the fabric of discourse, or behavior that I think is beneath the dignity of the office, I really don’t.

But I like it better than people getting gunned down in the streets and having a Republican Congress sit with thumb planted firmly up ass.

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:31:53am

<troll>Hillary just happens to be on the Hill today. Coincidence or Sign of the End Times?</troll>

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:34:24am

re: #361 HappyWarrior

Representing Counties Cork, Donegal, Mayo, and possibly one of the Counties in the Dublin area, and an unknown County in Ulster.

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Franklin  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:35:06am

Just called my Congressman’s (Lynch D-MA) DC office to express my wishes that he join the sit in on the House floor. He was in a meeting but hopefully he gets my message.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:35:56am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:36:28am

re: #389 Ziggy_TARDIS

Representing Counties Cork, Donegal, Mayo, and possibly one of the Counties in the Dublin area, and an unknown County in Ulster.

I got Mayo and probably Cork as well (No idea where my dad’s maternal grandfather’s mother’s family was from) but I think Cork based off the research on the surname. Who knows though, difficult nut to crack. It really as I said a true pity that there’s not more information out there. I’m hopeful that maybe some day some will.

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Franklin  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:36:31am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:36:59am
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Skip Intro  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:37:39am

re: #274 Teukka

O.o
What the fuck has his speechwriters been snorting/huffing/injecting/smoking?

Too late. Someone already said it.

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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:39:30am

re: #387 Testy Toad T

I don’t like the breakdown of the fabric of discourse, or behavior that I think is beneath the dignity of the office, I really don’t.

But I like it better than people getting gunned down in the streets and having a Republican Congress sit with thumb planted firmly up ass.

You haven’t had a lot to like since January 2009 then have you? The actions of Congress during the Obama years is way short on dignity. So much so, I think the term ‘statesman” is no longer in play, especially on the GOP side.

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piratedan  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:39:48am

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

House will stay in recess until “order is restored”.
I’m guessing that will not be any time soon.

it’s not as if those GOP folks were doing anything anyway….

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freetoken  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:40:10am

Always opportunistic:

Poll shows Marco Rubio leading in U.S. Senate race

A poll released Wednesday gives U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., one more reason to run for re-election: He’s running ahead of the Democrats.

[…]

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Skip Intro  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:40:37am

re: #275 Backwoods_Sleuth

That would be Don Jr and Eric, and probably the interns, too.

Jr. and Eric get paid out of campaign funds. The interns get to pay Trump for the privilege.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:41:06am

re: #396 ObserverArt

You haven’t had a lot to like since January 2009 then have you? The actions of Congress during the Obama years is way short on dignity. So much so, I think the term ‘statesman” is no longer in play, especially on the GOP side.

FOR SURE. Yelling at a President during the State of the Union is real dignified.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:41:06am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:41:13am

re: #398 freetoken

Always opportunistic:

Poll shows Marco Rubio leading in U.S. Senate race

A poll released Wednesday gives U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., one more reason to run for re-election: He’s running ahead of the Democrats.

[…]

Hopefully that goes down as it gets closer to crunchtime. Rubio’s a terrible senator not like it has stopped GOP voters from giving worse people than Rubio other cahnces.

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Lidane  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:44:15am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:45:55am

re: #403 Lidane

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Yeah the Republican Party doesn’t have a problem with race at all. Nope. Just liberal hyperbole.
He’s not only a bigot, he’s an idiot.
“(The) Leave it to Beaver time when there were no break-ins; no violent crime; no mass immigration,”

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Testy Toad T  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:46:18am

re: #396 ObserverArt

You haven’t had a lot to like since January 2009 then have you? The actions of Congress during the Obama years is way short on dignity. So much so, I think the term ‘statesman” is no longer in play, especially on the GOP side.

No, it’s been pretty terrible. And it’s all the fault of the GOP, I don’t want to look like I’m MBF’ing here.

I just feel like this is the route to boorish louts like Alan Grayson, who I would cross the street to avoid.

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:47:24am

The nativist/xenophobic GOP Trump supporters:

Not one dollar… such caring/giving.

Never mind that the refugee resettlement costs are a rounding error on a defense acquisition program budget.

You’d need to reprogram the budget for the F-35 (over $1 trillion over life of program) to do what Trump thinks is needed.

The GOP wont even properly fund mass transit, which would do quite a bit to help with inner cities and open up opportunities for minorities. GOP wont fund infrastructure improvements, like pipe replacement in Flint (hiya @onetoughnerd!)

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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:47:41am

re: #401 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wow, when a Republican with the experience of David Gergen calls your speech slanderous you really have crossed a line. He only worked with Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and Clinton…so he has the political chops to level that kind of criticism.

Oh wait…another attack on The Don by the establishment.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:47:43am

re: #285 HappyWarrior

Honestly, Clinton not only needs to win but she needs to win big. Trump even being somewhat close with Clinton will discredit this country in a lot of people’s eyes. It should already discredit the Republican Party but it should not discredit the American people.

Hillary needs to win by more than 20.

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CleverToad  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:48:13am

re: #316 Backwoods_Sleuth

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A real sit in, as in those badass old coots are ON the House floor. Hot damn. My hat is off in deep respect, and hope they have someone to administer a lot of liniment once they get up again.

Speaking as someone who has a hell of a time getting up off the floor these days, and I’m a lot younger than Rep. Lewis. He’s one of the greats.

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Ming5000  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:49:00am

My word! What is going on with the Democrats lately? No longer afraid of the schoolyard bully?

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:49:23am

re: #403 Lidane

All part of Trump’s Making Bigotry Legit Strategy.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:49:53am

re: #406 lawhawk

The nativist/xenophobic GOP Trump supporters:

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Not one dollar… such caring/giving.

Never mind that the refugee resettlement costs are a rounding error on a defense acquisition program budget.

You’d need to reprogram the budget for the F-35 (over $1 trillion over life of program) to do what Trump thinks is needed.

The GOP wont even properly fund mass transit, which would do quite a bit to help with inner cities and open up opportunities for minorities. GOP wont fund infrastructure improvements, like pipe replacement in Flint (hiya @onetoughnerd!)

These are the ideological descendants of the people who wanted to turn away people fleeing the Potato Famine, people fleeing the pogroms, etc. They represent the worst our country has to offer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:51:32am
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freetoken  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:51:36am

re: #403 Lidane

His website is down.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:53:11am

I suppose that no one ever told this idealistic little millennial about Donald Trump’s rape accusations.

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Franklin  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:53:23am

re: #410 Ming5000

My word! What is going on with the Democrats lately? No longer afraid of the schoolyard bully?

I think they finally realized that the worst thing that can happen is the Republicans drag their feet and expose themselves as frauds. Win-Win.

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BeachDem  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:53:39am

re: #403 Lidane

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The funniest comment on the TPM story:

I wonder, does Mittens scream “QUIET ROOMS” in his sleep at this point?

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:54:42am

re: #415 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI retweeted that one.. they’ve got their ideological blinders on…

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Lidane  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:54:54am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:56:13am
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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:57:12am

re: #415 The Vicious Babushka

Or Trump’s creepy statements about his daughter. Or the incessant objectification of women. Yeah, he’s such the women’s rights supporter. Or LGBT supporter - all while pushing for judges who’d restrict rights of LGBT. And women.

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Franklin  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:58:09am

Has anyone seen a list of Representatives participating in the sit-in?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:58:41am

re: #420 Backwoods_Sleuth

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No shit?

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Franklin  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:59:30am

I love her, I really do:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 9:59:53am

re: #419 Lidane

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My cousin’s in laws live in Scotland. The Scots hate him.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:00:19am

re: #415 The Vicious Babushka

I suppose that no one ever told this idealistic little millennial about Donald Trump’s rape accusations.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:01:37am

re: #426 I Would Prefer Not To

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Yeah Geerts Wilders and awesome don’t belong in the same sentence.

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:02:34am

re: #415 The Vicious Babushka

Is she an actual disingenuous person or is she cosplaying a disingenuous person?

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:03:16am

re: #426 I Would Prefer Not To

Geert Wilders = Dutch Trump. Yeah, we’ve got ourselves a live one.

A live bigot. A little fascist nativist. Just like small hands Trump.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:04:13am

re: #405 Testy Toad T

No, it’s been pretty terrible. And it’s all the fault of the GOP, I don’t want to look like I’m MBF’ing here.

I just feel like this is the route to boorish louts like Alan Grayson, who I would cross the street to avoid.

Sometimes you have to sit at a counter/on the House floor to get people to acknowledge you.

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freetoken  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:04:21am

The publicity appears to be driving people to his Facebook page, if the time chart of “likes” is an indicator:

facebook.com

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piratedan  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:04:30am

re: #420 Backwoods_Sleuth

so the blind squirrel finds the nut at last!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:05:14am

Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) has joined the sit-in.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:06:22am

re: #428 De Kolta Chair

Is she an actual disingenuous person or is she cosplaying a disingenuous person?

Her twitter join date is April 2016.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:06:51am
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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:07:44am

Yay! My Congressperson, Joyce Beatty is on the House floor joining the sit-in. Just saw her on the periscope image that MSNBC flashed before it cut out.

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Skip Intro  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:08:43am

re: #419 Lidane

Trump Turdberry is losing money too. When are people ever going to learn not to do business with this family of gangsters?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:09:22am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:11:13am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:12:45am

I just heard this call on CSPAN:

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TedStriker  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:13:21am

re: #438 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And if they refuse? Is the House GOP leadership going to order the sergeant-at-arms to have the Capitol Police haul them off to jail?

Call me cynical, but I bet they will.

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Jay C  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:14:01am

re: #312 calochortus

Freepers loved the speech. They think it will destroy Hillary (and possibly the MSM which won’t be able to cover Trump’s brilliance up anymore.) It will lead to VICTORY, and have international implications, including tipping the British vote to favor the Brexit (I kid you not) as people are emboldened by his words.

Sorry I missed it. Oh wait, no I’m not.

I missed it as well, was there anything of substance there Rhetorical question for Trump speeches, I’m sure ? From the clips I’ve seen on the news, it was just The Donald’s usual overheated barrage of bluster and insults.

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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:14:01am

re: #420 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nicole Gaudiano ✔ @ngaudiano
#BernieSanders during taped C-SPAN interview: “It doesn’t appear that I’m going to be the nominee.”
12:07 PM - 22 Jun 2016 * McLean, VA, United States
14 14 Retweets 6 6 likes

No shit Bernie! Just figuring that out are you. Rather slow on the uptake. By the way Bernie, check out what is going on at the House with all those establishment Democrats. This is a real revolution and real action.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:14:06am

re: #441 TedStriker

And if they refuse? Is the House GOP leadership going to order the sergeant-at-arms to have the Capitol Police haul them off to jail?

Call me cynical, but I bet they will.

Yeah, send Lewis to jail over this. That would look AWESOME.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:14:34am

o/O

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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:15:08am

Nancy Pelosi speaking in front of the Capitol building.

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TedStriker  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:15:50am

re: #444 Belafon

Yeah, send Lewis to jail over this. That would look AWESOME.

The House GOP leadership is tone-deaf enough to do it.

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gwangung  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:16:34am

re: #447 TedStriker

The House GOP leadership is tone-deaf enough to do it.

Please proceed, Representatives.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:16:36am

Li’l Whiplash is in 3rd grade

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:16:56am

re: #446 ObserverArt

Nancy Pelosi speaking in front of the Capitol building.

Clyburn now

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:19:33am

C-SPAN continuing to get grief over their coverage of the House sit-in by Democrats, which is something beyond their control. They don’t control the feed. The House GOP does.

And the House GOP action is to turn off the cameras, because it would highlight their ongoing inaction on a grave crisis to the nation that has gone on for far too long.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:19:46am

re: #415 The Vicious Babushka

I suppose that no one ever told this idealistic little millennial about Donald Trump’s rape accusations.

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That one is lost:

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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:20:07am

re: #441 TedStriker

And if they refuse? Is the House GOP leadership going to order the sergeant-at-arms to have the Capitol Police haul them off to jail?

Call me cynical, but I bet they will.

Go ahead. That will make what Lewis and the Dems are doing even more powerful.

I bet they chicken out because they know 80%+ of the American people want something done.

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Skip Intro  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:20:35am

Rev. Erick is not happy.

Trump Poses Willing Evangelical Leaders in Front of Pornographic Magazine
By Erick Erickson | June 21, 2016, 09:49pm

You just can’t make this stuff up.

Jerry Falwell, Jr., whose father sued Hustler magazine over the magazine’s portrayal of the preacher, attended the meeting of evangelicals with Trump. After the meeting, Trump was kind enough to pose for a picture with Jerry Falwell, Jr. and his wife. They let Falwell’s wife stand right beside a framed copy of Playboy magazine, which had Trump on the cover with a lady now in jail for selling cocaine.

It was a real classy time. Real classy. Jerry Falwell, Sr. must be rolling over in his grave.

theresurgent.com

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Le Lapin Tueur  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:20:55am

re: #420 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bwa hahaha hahahhaha hahahahhahahahahah

A master of understatement…

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Skip Intro  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:21:15am

re: #451 lawhawk

C-SPAN continuing to get grief over their coverage of the House sit-in by Democrats, which is something beyond their control. They don’t control the feed. The House GOP does.

And the House GOP action is to turn off the cameras, because it would highlight their ongoing inaction on a grave crisis to the nation that has gone on for far too long.

Isn’t that the Republican way? Let others take the blame for what they do.

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:21:22am
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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:22:08am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:25:28am
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Jay C  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:26:36am

re: #458 wrenchwench

An WRT to what Samantha said, shouldn’t somebody in the House at least have a cellphone vid to transmit? You would think that in an era when the dumbest kitty video can get near-universal distribution to millions of viewers, one or another of our Representatives ought to be able to get SOME sort of image out….

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:26:49am

re: #459 Backwoods_Sleuth

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OK I see my congressperson’s name on there

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Skip Intro  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:27:51am

At Trump’s big I Love the Baby Jesus More Bigly Than Anyone event, where nobody mentioned the name Jesus.

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Jay C  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:28:58am

re: #459 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Just checked my Congresswoman’s homepage (Carolyn Maloney, NY-12) - she says she’s on the floor with John Lewis too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:29:05am

re: #461 The Vicious Babushka

OK I see my congressperson’s name on there

There are a few names not on the list and I know they are there.
Steny Hoyer
Scott Peters
Carolyn Maloney

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Shimshon  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:29:16am

re: #155 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area - mass transit delays this morning on our train line, which follows major delays last night in/out of Penn Station for LIRR, NJT, and Amtrak.

Nothing quite like a glimpse into the future where infrastructure continues failing b/c of short sighted policies and a refusal to properly fund mass transit.

/rant off.

Meanwhile, the delays gave me a chance to catch up on overnight news. Turns out there’s new details about the Orlando shooter that makes more sense as to why he picked the club to shoot up.

Hate and homophobia is an ugly thing, and the shooter took it to its extreme. He then threw in Islamic terror mumbo jumbo for good measure - but the more you look, the more it looks like a smokescreen for his true rationale. He was a closeted gay who hated himself and a particular group of gays for some possible interactions he had at the gay club.

Doesn’t excuse any of it, and it certainly doesn’t excuse what his wife may or may not have known.

But this much is certain - his killing spree was that much greater due to the easy availability of firearms.

Some guy wants to get publicity and makes up a story that he has no evidence took place? Sorry lets leave that stuff to the crazies over at Newsmax.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:30:00am

re: #460 Jay C

An WRT to what Samantha said, shouldn’t somebody in the House at least have a cellphone vid to transmit? You would think that in an era when the dumbest kitty video can get near-universal distribution to millions of viewers, one or another of our Representatives ought to be able to get SOME sort of image out….

Scott Peters (D-CA) is periscoping.
twitter.com

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:30:09am

re: #460 Jay C

An WRT to what Samantha said, shouldn’t somebody in the House at least have a cellphone vid to transmit? You would think that in an era when the dumbest kitty video can get near-universal distribution to millions of viewers, one or another of our Representatives ought to be able to get SOME sort of image out….

There was a Periscope thing, I’ll bet recordings will come out.

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BeachDem  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:30:34am

re: #444 Belafon

Yeah, send Lewis to jail over this. That would look AWESOME.

Never a bad time to recommend this documentary:

pbs.org

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:31:14am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:31:26am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:31:42am
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CriticalDragon1177  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:32:02am

So let me get this straight, according to Steve King, its racist and sexist to honor a woman who risked her life to free slaves, but it isn’t racist or sexist to vote for Trump, who wants to build a wall to keep out the Mexicans and can’t bring himself to talk about women in a manner that isn’t sexual?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:33:10am
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Archangelus  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:33:38am

re: #415 The Vicious Babushka

I suppose that no one ever told this idealistic little millennial about Donald Trump’s rape accusations.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:33:45am
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CriticalDragon1177  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:34:19am

Well at least Rick Tyler has decided to come out and say what he thinks will “make America great again”

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:34:39am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:34:45am

Bobby Rush speaking on the steps right now. Talking about when his son was shot and killed in 1999.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:34:58am

re: #462 Skip Intro

Huckabee praised Trump for his family values.— toddstarnes (@toddstarnes) June 21, 2016

Nothing matters anymore.

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:35:05am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:36:20am

My guy is there:

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:36:38am

Have the first 5 and a half minutes been posted yet? I have the vid on a tweet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:37:29am
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Le Lapin Tueur  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:38:04am

re: #469 The Vicious Babushka

“Factories moving overseas to Mexico.” Wow, Mexico has moved. Better alert the USGS.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:38:45am

re: #481 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Where’s Bernie???

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Jay C  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:38:51am

re: #473 The Vicious Babushka

Well, I guess this answers my question in #442 - in the negative, as I suspected…..

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dangerman  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:39:12am

re: #484 Le Lapin Tueur

Factories moving overseas to Mexico. Wow, Mexico has moved. Better alert the USGS.

“I’ll alert the media”

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:39:15am

re: #484 Le Lapin Tueur

Factories moving overseas to Mexico. Wow, Mexico has moved. Better alert the USGS.

You didn’t hear about the 10.5 earthquake that occurred along the Rio Grande River this morning? //

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:39:15am

re: #382 The Vicious Babushka

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“We’ll get companies to bid for YOOOGE contracts, and after they’re finished, we’ll tell them the work is substandard and we’re not gonna pay! We’ll sue them if they don’t take pennies on the dollar!”

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CriticalDragon1177  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:39:28am

Britain has its anti government loons too!


And here’s one of their stupid websites. Your Stawman! I was born and raised in America, and have never been to the UK, so as you would imagine, I’m no expert on how their government works, but I can already spot about a dozen things on that website of their’s that are clearly wrong.

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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:39:35am

re: #481 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

My guy is there:

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Is he carrying an umbrella? Maybe he is ready for the flood of Republican tears that will be shed while they cry over this House Democratic Sit-in.

And Hillary is doing a speech at 2:30. This will be fun coming after The Don’s nasty speech this morning. I have a feeling she is going to be heated up and ready to go.

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Archangelus  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:39:58am

re: #485 GlutenFreeJesus

Where’s Bernie???

Out in the great wilderness of DC, fighting the good fight for… oh screw it, i can’t even muster the sarcasm to toss in his general direction anymore…

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:40:12am

re: #485 GlutenFreeJesus

Where’s Bernie???

This is the House. I don’t expect a lot of Senators to be there.

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:40:39am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:40:51am
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:41:14am

re: #493 Belafon

There is a Senator there. Dick Durbin of Illinois.

re: #459 Backwoods_Sleuth

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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:42:47am

re: #493 Belafon

This is the House. I don’t expect a lot of Senators to be there.

Though many Senators are showing up in support.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:43:00am

re: #496 Ziggy_TARDIS

There is a Senator there. Dick Durbin of Illinois.

True, which is why I said I didn’t expect a lot of them to be there. I think this is Lewis’s show anyway.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:43:16am

re: #496 Ziggy_TARDIS

There is a Senator there. Dick Durbin of Illinois.

Corey Booker is there, too.

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retired cynic  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:43:41am

re: #496 Ziggy_TARDIS

There is a Senator there. Dick Durbin of Illinois.

My good Senator!

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:44:17am

Watching Trump clumsily reading from teleprompters is one of life’s little pleasures.

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:49:09am

re: #469 The Vicious Babushka

First he makes the thumb up sign unfashionable and now the term “a real beaut.” Now I’m really pissed.

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Shimshon  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:50:01am

re: #493 Belafon

This is the House. I don’t expect a lot of Senators to be there.

He couldn’t bother to stay in DC for the filibuster last week, only tweeted his support quietly.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 22, 2016 • 10:53:24am

re: #476 CriticalDragon1177

Well at least Rick Tyler has decided to come out and say what he thinks will “make America great again”

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I wonder what his Freeper ID is?

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CriticalDragon1177  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:00:48am

Idiotic misogynistic MRA cry baby, who its doubtful would be able to live without the Internet, wants to bring about the apocalypse just to women in their place.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:21:29am

re: #490 CriticalDragon1177

Britain has its anti government loons too!

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And here’s one of their stupid websites. Your Stawman! I was born and raised in America, and have never been to the UK, so as you would imagine, I’m no expert on how their government works, but I can already spot about a dozen things on that website of their’s that are clearly wrong.

“I think that all right-thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that ordinary, decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not! But I’m sick and tired of being told that I am!”

Monty Python

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Anymouse  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:38:23am

re: #120 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The idea is to derail the discussion by pointing out that you invalid because you do not know the distinction between an “assault rifle” and an “assault weapon” and to get you to shut up and stop asking why so many children and innocent bystanders need to die in the name of a flawed interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.

Also magazine versus clip. (By the way, when I was in the Navy, we called them clips.)

I was at FE Warren Air Force Base yesterday in Cheyenne. The base was on some heightened alert status, and Air Police were manning the gates with assault rifles.

What I saw from the guard with her assault rifle as I was handing her my wife and my ID:

a) Gun barrel pointed downward.
b) No finger anywhere near the trigger guard, or even on the rifle itself.
c) No waving the rifle around like a crazed RWNJ.

In short, didn’t feel threatened by some sort of negligent firing of her rifle. I would not feel the same about some civilian wingnut with an AR-15.


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