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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:40:41am

And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

The GOP is in thrall to trickle down. It’s the entire rationale to the GOP socio-economic policy. Tax cuts for rich. Massive deficits? Okay, we’ll live with that, but if you want us to do something about the debt, we’re going to slash services too.

Know who fell for that? Kansas. All those promises of economic growth? It’s yet another real world example of trickle down failing miserably. And yet Laffer is still packing audiences with his nonsense. And Norquist continues to get people to buy into his no-tax-pledge BS.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:43:31am
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Charles Johnson  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:46:37am
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Kragar  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:46:43am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

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Stanley Sea  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:48:18am

She’s not even mentioning him. ha

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Testy Toad T  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:49:09am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Just can’t bring himself to admit he got beat by a girl. Can’t do it. Sad!

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Skip Intro  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:49:40am

The “Make America White Again” sign is down. Here’s what the person who put it up has to say about it. Not surprisingly he credits Donald Trump and Ann Coulter for making it all possible.

With its towering and massive stature, the billboard sign is difficult to ignore and its message comes across as authoritative and influential.

For these reasons we are confident that a widespread and creative billboard advertising game plan could go a long way toward making the Rick Tyler For Congress candidacy both viable and a force to be reckoned with. Clearly we are in uncharted waters, in that there has never been a candidacy like this in modern political history. Of great significance, as well, is the reality of the Trump phenomenon and the manner in which he has loosened up the overall spectrum of political discourse.

The Make America White Again billboard advertisement will cut to the very core and marrow of what plagues us as a nation. As Anne Coulter so effectively elucidates in her book, Adios America, the overhaul of America’s immigration law in the 1960’s has placed us on an inevitable course of demise and destruction. Yes the cunning globalist/Marxist social engineers have succeeded in destroying that great bulwark against statist tyranny the white American super majority. Without its expedited restoration little hope remains for the nation as a whole.

newschannel9.com

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Charles Johnson  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:50:00am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:51:24am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

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Clinton is leading. Trump meanwhile acts like a child.

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:51:41am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:51:54am

CSPAN is airing Rep. Peters’ live periscope video.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:51:55am

Hillary just said she is against the TPP.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:53:15am

Senators Bob Casey and Elizabeth Warren have joined the sit-in.

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:53:38am

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

Hillary just said she is against the TPP.

She’s been saying that for some time.

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:54:08am

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

Which reiterates her position since October of last year. Trump keeps lying about that crap too.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:54:14am

Time for a woman to run things. Especially this woman, clearly by far the most experienced and qualified candidate over the entire GOP and Dem pool. The amount of shit she’s withstood for 25 years would make most of these small men wither.

My apolitical wife is especially jacked to vote for her.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:54:25am

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

Senators Bob Casey and Elizabeth Warren have joined the sit-in.

Casey is huge given PA.

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KGxvi  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:54:40am

re: #7 Skip Intro

What is most amazing to me is that America has never really been “white.” Race has always been an issue - slavery and later Jim Crow; the routine treaty breaking with Native Americans; the Spanish-American and Mexican-American Wars and their aftermath. And that doesn’t even get into the fact that many European ethnicities that are now considered “white” were often considered not white when they first started arriving. But I suppose I shouldn’t expect bigots and xenophobes to have any sense of history.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:54:57am

House gallery is starting to fill up with people.
GOP can turn off the cameras, cut the microphones, and attempt to deny public access to the gallery.
But today that is not working out well for them.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:55:34am

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

Hillary just said she is against the TPP.

I don’t think the TPP is the job destroying gift to global capitalists its portrayed as; but its good politics for Hillary to oppose it. She can always try to negotiate some improvements once in office then try to get it approved.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:56:10am

re: #18 KGxvi

What is most amazing to me is that America has never really been “white.” Race has always been an issue - slavery and later Jim Crow; the routine treaty breaking with Native Americans; the Spanish-American and Mexican-American Wars and their aftermath. And that doesn’t even get into the fact that many European ethnicities that are now considered “white” were often considered not white when they first started arriving. But I suppose I shouldn’t expect bigots and xenophobes to have any sense of history.

They really have this delusion that America was set up to be a country only for Anglo-Saxon Protestants.

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Franklin  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:57:18am

Both Sides

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:58:01am
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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:58:45am

TPP should die a violent death as long as it contains the American copyright bad craziness.

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Teukka  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:58:49am

Man, looking at the Drumpfbots in the live comment field of that video :(

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:59:24am

re: #15 lawhawk

Which reiterates her position since October of last year. Trump keeps lying about that crap too.

Bernie was lying about her too.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:59:41am

re: #22 Franklin

Both Sides

“It’s life’s illusions I recall….”

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Anymouse  Jun 22, 2016 • 11:59:58am

re: #16 SoundGuy 2016

Time for a woman to run things. Especially this woman, clearly by far the most experienced and qualified candidate over the entire GOP and Dem pool. The amount of shit she’s withstood for 25 years would make most of these small men wither.

My apolitical wife is especially jacked to vote for her.

My mother (a Navy veteran from the Vietnam era) was always of the opinion that military personnel and veterans should not be involved in politics. She was disappointed that I ran for my village board. (For the record, I did not use my military service as a campaign point, though everyone in town knows I am a disabled veteran.)

That changed this election. The combination of Senator Mark Kirk dumping all over Representative Tammy Duckworth, combined with Donald Trump dumping on Senator John McCain caused her to get out and register to vote.

She wants Kirk out, and doesn’t want Trump anywhere near DC. She reëvaluated her political position on veterans voting or running for office and decided that was a poor choice. She voted for Senator Sanders in the Illinois Primary, and will be voting for Hillary Clinton and Tammy Duckworth in the General Election.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:00:04pm

re: #23 lawhawk

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Maybe because there is no pro-gun narrative that you can get from Orlando?

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:01:31pm

re: #25 Teukka

Man, looking at the Drumpfbots in the live comment field of that video :(

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:02:56pm

re: #16 SoundGuy 2016

Time for a woman to run things. Especially this woman, clearly by far the most experienced and qualified candidate over the entire GOP and Dem pool. The amount of shit she’s withstood for 25 years would make most of these small men wither.

My apolitical wife is especially jacked to vote for her.

I’m really proud of Washington. For 8 years we had a woman Governor and two woman Senators, which was a first.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:02:58pm
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KGxvi  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:03:19pm

re: #20 Big Beautiful Door

I don’t think the TPP is the job destroying gift to global capitalists its portrayed as; but its good politics for Hillary to oppose it. She can always try to negotiate some improvements once in office then try to get it approved.

More likely, it’s going to end up being like NAFTA. Congress will probably vote on the TPP under the fast track law before the end of the year. It may get held over until next year, but by then it’ll probably be too late to negotiate any changes.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:04:23pm

re: #23 lawhawk

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What is the “pro-gun” argument after Orlando anyway? Even the NRA said it doesn’t favor drunk people packing heat in bars.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:04:36pm

and, again, link to the Rep. Peters’ periscope feed:

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:05:19pm

I’m actually surprised. CNN has carried the whole Hillary Clinton speech.

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Kragar  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:06:58pm
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TK-421  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:07:12pm

Damn it, I’m missing it. That’s what I get for not being at my post.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:07:24pm
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Dave In Austin  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:08:43pm

She’s starting the Trump rip……

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KGxvi  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:09:20pm

re: #24 Nyet

TPP should die a violent death as long as it contains the American copyright bad craziness.

I really dislike our current copyright laws. I’d much prefer a renewal system (which we’ve had in the past). I’d say something like this:

1. copyright valid for the life of the artist plus five years (if the artist isn’t a natural person, set it at 25 years; if it’s a partnership or more than one artist it lasts for the life of the longest living artist plus five years)
2. one year before expiration, the copyright holder can renew the copyright. First for a 10 year period, second renewal is 5 years, third renewal and beyond is 1 year. Each renewal requires a higher registration fee. Also, the work must be published in a meaningful way at least once in the preceding 3 years (meaning Disney doesn’t get to run Steamboat Willie at 3 am on a Tuesday one time and then keep the protection).

I think that fairly balances all the interests involved.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:09:20pm

re: #7 Skip Intro

As Anne Coulter so effectively elucidates in her book, Adios America

Wait, I think I see the problem here…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:09:53pm
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Bubblehead II  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:09:57pm

Good slam on tRump.

tRump: YOUR FIRED!
Hillary: YOUR HIRED!

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:10:14pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

RINO

/

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KGxvi  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:10:46pm

re: #42 Sir John Barron

Wait, I think I see the problem here…..

Only one problem? That one sentence is like an entire issue spotting essay question from a law school final.

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:10:49pm

re: #37 Kragar

Yeah, expect the RWNJ to ignore that, and instead focus on the IT guy being questioned by the FBI taking the 5th to avoid a perjury trap over the Clinton email kerfuffle.

More than anything else, these investigations are set up to result not in charges on the original claim (that there was criminality - misuse/misapplication of materials, improper use of classified info, etc.) but that you said X then, but Y now. That’s perjury/obstruction of justice! Never mind that there’s no actual wrongdoing here - and the GOP is attempting to retcon criminality or improper use of email or the servers on to what Clinton did before the rules changed and the State Department tightened up its procedures - in particular with relation to NARA.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:11:03pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:11:20pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Trump probably doesn’t know who he is.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:12:35pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:12:51pm

Tone-deaf comment of the day so far:

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:13:07pm

re: #50 The Vicious Babushka

OK, that’s repetition.

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:13:40pm

Dark… showing his compassionate conservatism. By threatening to shut down funding for social programs because Democrats are actually trying to do something to help all Americans avoid further bloodshed due to the nation being awash in firearms.

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Anymouse  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:13:41pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

Tone-deaf comment of the day so far:

Shouldn’t all the “right to life” Republicans be participating in this then? /s

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Charles Johnson  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:13:43pm

Wow, that was quite a barn-burner.

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:14:08pm

Then there is this crazy shithead that posts under every Hillary tweet.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:14:18pm

re: #53 lawhawk

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Dark… showing his compassionate conservatism. By threatening to shut down funding for social programs because Democrats are actually trying to do something to help all Americans avoid further bloodshed due to the nation being awash in firearms.

Ugh.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:14:18pm

re: #41 KGxvi

I really dislike our current copyright laws. I’d much prefer a renewal system (which we’ve had in the past). I’d say something like this:

1. copyright valid for the life of the artist plus five years (if the artist isn’t a natural person, set it at 25 years; if it’s a partnership or more than one artist it lasts for the life of the longest living artist plus five years)
2. one year before expiration, the copyright holder can renew the copyright. First for a 10 year period, second renewal is 5 years, third renewal and beyond is 1 year. Each renewal requires a higher registration fee. Also, the work must be published in a meaningful way at least once in the preceding 3 years (meaning Disney doesn’t get to run Steamboat Willie at 3 am on a Tuesday one time and then keep the protection).

I think that fairly balances all the interests involved.

Yeah, this “life plus 70 years” bullshit has turned me into a complete scofflaw. Just pass a constitutional amendment to keep Mickey Mouse out of public domain forever and maybe we could get the Disney lobbyists to stop running the number up.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:14:27pm

re: #41 KGxvi

I really dislike our current copyright laws. I’d much prefer a renewal system (which we’ve had in the past). I’d say something like this:

1. copyright valid for the life of the artist plus five years (if the artist isn’t a natural person, set it at 25 years; if it’s a partnership or more than one artist it lasts for the life of the longest living artist plus five years)
2. one year before expiration, the copyright holder can renew the copyright. First for a 10 year period, second renewal is 5 years, third renewal and beyond is 1 year. Each renewal requires a higher registration fee. Also, the work must be published in a meaningful way at least once in the preceding 3 years (meaning Disney doesn’t get to run Steamboat Willie at 3 am on a Tuesday one time and then keep the protection).

I think that fairly balances all the interests involved.

I think they should be at 25 years after creation, 35 at the most. That’s long enough that a work like Harry Potter would lose most of it’s monetary impact if a movie studio tried to wait out the copyright before making a movie.

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Kragar  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:14:29pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:14:38pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:15:05pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:15:17pm

re: #53 lawhawk

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Dark… showing his compassionate conservatism. By threatening to shut down funding for social programs because Democrats are actually trying to do something to help all Americans avoid further bloodshed due to the nation being awash in firearms.

sigh…

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:15:29pm

re: #53 lawhawk

No shame whatsoever.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:15:59pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:16:47pm

re: #53 lawhawk

All his criticisms of Republicans are just so he can try to fit in here. While on Twitter, he lets his inner wingnut fly.

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:17:21pm

Does the old dude have Alzheimer’s?

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:19:04pm

re: #66 GlutenFreeJesus

All his criticisms of Republicans are just so he can try to fit in here. While on Twitter, he lets his inner wingnut fly.

Why bother with a pretense of being civilized if one is going to vote Republican and engage in brain-dead apologetics for all manner of GOP foulness?

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Testy Toad T  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:19:31pm

re: #66 GlutenFreeJesus

All his criticisms of Republicans are just so he can try to fit in here. While on Twitter, he lets his inner wingnut fly.

Go Team.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:19:33pm

re: #53 lawhawk

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Dark… showing his compassionate conservatism. By threatening to shut down funding for social programs because Democrats are actually trying to do something to help all Americans avoid further bloodshed due to the nation being awash in firearms.

He can be a real dick when he gets into team GOP mode. The sad thing is he doesn’t even own a gun but he cheerleads the party line on guns because it’s the party line. If the GOP were pro-gun control, he’d be the biggest supporter of the issue tehre is.

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Anymouse  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:19:49pm

I don’t often get a wingnut in E-mail telling me Mrs. Clinton has no accomplishments, but when I do they get this:
•First ever student commencement speaker at Wellesley College.
•President of the Wellesley Young Republicans
•Intern at the House Republican Conference
•Distinguished graduate of Yale Law School
•Editorial board of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action
•Appointed to Senator Walter Mondale’s Subcommittee on Migratory Labor.
•Co-founded Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families
•Staff attorney for Children’s Defense Fund
•Faculty member in the School of Law at the University of Arkansas, Fayetteville
•Former Director of the Arkansas Legal Aid Clinic.
•First female chair of the Legal Services Corporation
•First female partner at Rose Law Firm.
•Former civil litigation attorney.
•Former Law Professor at the University of Arkansas School of Law.
•twice listed by The National Law Journal as one of the hundred most influential lawyers in America
•Former First Lady of Arkansas.
•Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983
•Chair of the American Bar Association’s Commission on Women in the Profession
•twice named by the National Law Journal as one of the 100 most influential lawyers in America
•created Arkansas’s Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth
•led a task force that reformed Arkansas’s education system
•Board of directors of Wal-Mart and several other corporations
•Instrumental in passage of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program
•Promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses
•Successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health
•Worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War (now recognized as Gulf War Syndrome)
•Helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice
•Initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act
•First FLOTUS in US History to hold a postgraduate degree
•Traveled to 79 countries during time as FLOTUS
•Helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries.
•Served on five Senate committees:
-Committee on Budget (2001-2002)
-Committee on Armed Services (2003-2009)
-Committee on Environment and Public Works (2001-2009)
-Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (2001-2009)
-Special Committee on Aging.
•Member of the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe
•Instrumental in securing $21 billion in funding for the World Trade Center site’s redevelopment
•Leading role in investigating the health issues faced by 9/11 first responders.
•In the aftermath of September 11th, she worked closely with her senior Senate counterpart from New York, Sen. Charles Schumer, on securing $21.4 billion in funding for the World Trade Center redevelopment.
• Middle East ceasefire. In November 2012, Secretary of State Clinton brokered a ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas.
•Introduced the Family Entertainment Protection Act, intended to protect children from inappropriate content found in video games.
•First ex-FLOTUS in US History to be elected to the United States Senate (and re-elected)
•Two-term New York Senator
-(senate stats here: govtrack.us)
-(voting record here: votesmart.org)
•Former US Secretary of State
•GRAMMY Award Winner
•Author

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KGxvi  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:20:08pm

re: #59 Belafon

I think they should be at 25 years after creation, 35 at the most. That’s long enough that a work like Harry Potter would lose most of it’s monetary impact if a movie studio tried to wait out the copyright before making a movie.

Maybe it’s because I’m a(n aspiring) writer with too much of a legal education, but my only concern is opening up works to derivative works during the life of the author. Under your formulation, at 25 years, A Song of Fire and Ice (Game of Thrones) would fall into the public domain in 5 years time. But it seems GRRM still has plenty more work in that realm.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:20:58pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

you’re right about the contrast Hillary has accomplished nothing Don has built an Empire Hillary is a fool

Not much for punctuation, is this tweeter?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:21:28pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:21:30pm

re: #66 GlutenFreeJesus

All his criticisms of Republicans are just so he can try to fit in here. While on Twitter, he lets his inner wingnut fly.

He’ll criticize them here but then say he’s voting for them anyhow. I don’t hate DF but I hate how he feels bound to the GOP and then tries to act like he has this code of honor. He’s a party man through and through.

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Franklin  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:23:23pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:23:43pm

re: #74 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Alert Cheeto Jesus:

Burger King’s new ‘Mac ‘n Cheetos’ sticks leave the world gasping in horror

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I’ll wait till weed is legal here.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:24:27pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:24:32pm

So, Dark_Falcon is calling the sit-in a temper tantrum.

I guess reading Dr. Seuss was just fine or 60 showy attempts to cut funding and shutting down Obamacare was good governance.

Anyone actually think he isn’t going to vote for Trump?

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:24:45pm

re: #24 Nyet

TPP should die a violent death as long as it contains the American copyright bad craziness.

Huh? I work for a software company. That intellectual property is important to any company. Why would you think protecting your intellectual property is bad? That is what makes me FOR the TPP.

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:24:55pm

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Calling this a sit-in is a disgrace to Woolworth’s. They sat-in for rights. Dems are “sitting-in” to strip them away]

Notice his sympathy is with Woolworth’s, not the sitters therein. He makes it sound like Woolworth’s was sitting in for rights.

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:25:05pm

re: #64 Nyet

And from a purely tactical standpoint, making that threat makes no sense. You’d be threatening a shutdown of the government in October, which is right before the election - and would once again reinforce the fact that the GOP is intent on screwing everyone but the rich - by cutting safety net program funding if they don’t get their way.

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:25:37pm

re: #80 MsJ

Huh? I work for a software company. That intellectual property is important to any company. Why would you think protecting your intellectual property is bad? That is what makes me FOR the TPP.

Certainly not in the American way.

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KGxvi  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:25:42pm

re: #82 lawhawk

And from a purely tactical standpoint, making that threat makes no sense. You’d be threatening a shutdown of the government in October, which is right before the election - and would once again reinforce the fact that the GOP is intent on screwing everyone but the rich - by cutting safety net program funding if they don’t get their way.

I believe the appropriate Internets Tradition is:

Please proceed.

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:25:46pm

re: #28 Anymouse

My mother (a Navy veteran from the Vietnam era) was always of the opinion that military personnel and veterans should not be involved in politics. She was disappointed that I ran for my village board. (For the record, I did not use my military service as a campaign point, though everyone in town knows I am a disabled veteran.)

That changed this election. The combination of Senator Mark Kirk dumping all over Representative Tammy Duckworth, combined with Donald Trump dumping on Senator John McCain caused her to get out and register to vote.

She wants Kirk out, and doesn’t want Trump anywhere near DC. She reëvaluated her political position on veterans voting or running for office and decided that was a poor choice. She voted for Senator Sanders in the Illinois Primary, and will be voting for Hillary Clinton and Tammy Duckworth in the General Election.

It is not new to this election. See Cleland, Max; Georgia.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:26:04pm

re: #82 lawhawk

And from a purely tactical standpoint, making that threat makes no sense. You’d be threatening a shutdown of the government in October, which is right before the election - and would once again reinforce the fact that the GOP is intent on screwing everyone but the rich - by cutting safety net program funding if they don’t get their way.

I’m just filing this away to remember the next time he “explains” the politics but tries to pretend he doesn’t actually approve of them.

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:27:20pm

re: #80 MsJ

Click.

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Franklin  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:27:28pm

What a maroon

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Anymouse  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:27:30pm

re: #85 MsJ

It is not new to this election. See Cleland, Max; Georgia.

I don’t know if she is aware of Max Cleland, living in Illinois and generally staying out of politics. She is aware of the swiftboating of John Kerry, but only became aware of it after the election.

Not this time around though. This will be the first time she has ever voted.

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:28:27pm

re: #84 KGxvi

Yup. He thinks the shutdown will be blamed on Democrats.

That’s as serious a misreading of the politics here as anything I’ve seen in a long time.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:29:11pm

re: #72 KGxvi

Maybe it’s because I’m a(n aspiring) writer with too much of a legal education, but my only concern is opening up works to derivative works during the life of the author. Under your formulation, at 25 years, A Song of Fire and Ice (Game of Thrones) would fall into the public domain in 5 years time. But it seems GRRM still has plenty more work in that realm.

Copyright was meant to be a temporary thing to encourage people to create. When it goes on for so long that it limits other people creating (most creations are derivatives), it’s running counter to its purpose. We don’t keep patents for that long.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:29:13pm

re: #88 Franklin

What a maroon

Another candidate for Trump VP.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:29:29pm

re: #90 lawhawk

Yup. He thinks the shutdown will be blamed on Democrats.

That’s as serious a misreading of the politics here as anything I’ve seen in a long time.

His side tried to blame the last shutdown on the Democrats.
It didn’t work that time, and it won’t work the next time.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:29:42pm

re: #90 lawhawk

Yup. He thinks the shutdown will be blamed on Democrats.

That’s as serious a misreading of the politics here as anything I’ve seen in a long time.

The unskewed polls suggest otherwise.

/

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Anymouse  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:30:02pm

re: #91 Belafon

Copyright was meant to be a temporary thing to encourage people to create. When it goes on for so long that it limits other people creating (most creations are derivatives), it’s running counter to its purpose. We don’t keep patents for that long.

You might ask Coca-Cola if they know its patent is expired.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:30:15pm

re: #74 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Ummm. I would try em.

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:30:32pm

re: #91 Belafon

It’s why it was so criticized in Japan, given the derivative nature of many mangas (and it’s a good thing).

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:31:03pm

re: #79 ObserverArt

So, Dark_Falcon is calling the sit-in a temper tantrum.

I guess reading Dr. Seuss was just fine or 60 showy attempts to cut funding and shutting down Obamacare was good governance.

Anyone actually think he isn’t going to vote for Trump?

Anything anti-guns for all or anti-war machine is not acceptable. Those are his two key issues.

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:31:43pm

re: #83 Nyet

Certainly not in the American way.

I do not understand your objection. Please explain it to me.

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:32:12pm

re: #99 MsJ

Americans should keep their copyright madness to themselves.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:32:12pm

re: #81 wrenchwench

Notice his sympathy is with Woolworth’s, not the sitters therein. He makes it sound like Woolworth’s was sitting in for rights.

I think the honorable congresscritter is trying to imply that he thinks the sit-ins at Woolworths were justified but that these are not.

Not that this fellow would have actually supported those staging the Woolworths sit-ins in the 60’s. He would have called the protesters Communist stooges, fifth columnists, etc. As most pundits and elites did call them at the time.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:32:50pm

I am SO done with wingnut B.S. Enough already. #Blocked

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:33:17pm

re: #88 Franklin

What a maroon

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Yes, Matt & Baby Whiplash have been sharing mad Tweets like they’re Cartman & Butters, only not as mature.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:33:20pm

re: #88 Franklin

I just want to go in, slap Elijah Cummings on the head and shout, “Goose!” and then start running in circles pic.twitter.com
— Matt Walsh

Maybe Walsh would like to join Alex Jones in wearing a ballgag at the GOP convention.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:33:45pm

re: #90 lawhawk

Yup. He thinks the shutdown will be blamed on Democrats.

That’s as serious a misreading of the politics here as anything I’ve seen in a long time.

jeebus, I just saw his tweets to you.
total alternate reality going on there.

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:34:00pm

re: #102 CuriousLurker

It’s not a game anymore.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:34:34pm

re: #102 CuriousLurker

Those other people don’t exist to him. They’re not real. None of us are real.

That’s the only way I can resolve his supposed principles with his behavior.

Anyway I’m sure someone will be along soon to be mad that we’re talking about him while he’s not here so I’m off to the grocery store.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:34:51pm

re: #80 MsJ

Huh? I work for a software company. That intellectual property is important to any company. Why would you think protecting your intellectual property is bad? That is what makes me FOR the TPP.

Seriously? You think it’s right for some publisher to still be profiting from—or more likely just spitefully sitting on—a book written by an author who died in 1947?

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A Mom Anon  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:35:01pm

I see, so the sit in the Democrats are doing to TRY to get military grade weapons off America’s streets is a “temper tantrum”, but Speaker Ryan shutting off the cameras and trying to shut everything down isn’t? You know Republicans, if the Democrats are doing something so harmful, then why not let them proceed and let America judge for ourselves? Go Ahead, point and scream and tell everyone how bad they are and SHOW US. Let us judge. Oh, that’s right, you’re scared little brats with no ideas of your own to make the country work.

Once again, Republicans prove they cannot and will not govern, just play games like it’s fucking football. Except they can’t win unless they lie, cheat, mislead and outright try to dismantle everything good and right in this country.

Oh and today is the anniversary of FDRs signing of the GI Bill into law. A law that wouldn’t get signed onto by any current GOP Congress person, especially not one running for re-election.

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:35:37pm

re: #87 Nyet

Click.

I completely disagree with this:

…have cases where group of people who are privately elected can judge.

And while I do not want to give power to mega corporations, IP is IP. Some small companies (especially tech) lives or dies by its IP. I am staunchly for allowing people to retain ownership to their IP.

I think there is a balance and that balance can be achieved. But to allow China, for example, to make it’s own iPhone based on Apple’s patents and software, is wrong, no matter how big Apple is.

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:36:50pm

re: #89 Anymouse

I don’t know if she is aware of Max Cleland, living in Illinois and generally staying out of politics. She is aware of the swiftboating of John Kerry, but only became aware of it after the election.

Not this time around though. This will be the first time she has ever voted.

What they did to Cleland is egregious. I would share that information because no one who gave so much should be disrespected like that. No one. Not ever.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:37:17pm

re: #33 KGxvi

I’m with my favourite author on NAFTA.

NAFTA Not a free trade agreement.

Signed by Canada, Mexico and the United States in 1994, the North American Free Trade Agreement replaced the 1988 Free Trade Agreement (FTA), between Canada and the United States. It wasn’t a free trade agreement either. Long before either treaty was signed all three countries were approaching virtual free trade.

Why then the insistence on the term? This is a classic example of the Dictatorship of Vocabulary. “Free” carries positive baggage. Who can be against freedom? “Free trade” promises prosperity. Only romantic dreamers can be against it.

NAFTA, like FTA, is an economic integration agreement. It respects the corporatist model in which an unregulated market is given primacy over all other aspects of society by the simple act of excluding those other aspects from the treaty. It places the cheap, unsecured labour of Mexico and the southern United States in opposition to the middle class labour of of Canada and much of the northern United States. The effect on the cheap labour can be seen in Mexico’s Maquiladora Zone. The effect on the more expensive can be seen in endemic high unemployment rates.

NAFTA creates the mechanism for a social fait accompli without the social issues being discussed. It frees the transnational corporation and its managers from geographical realities and obligations.

This approach is the exact opposite of that used in the European Community, which is attempting to balance political and social realities with market forces.

From The Doubter’s Companion.

The TPP is just another, larger example of NAFTA. It will have just as many deleterious effects on the nations involved.

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Anymouse  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:37:37pm

re: #111 MsJ

What they did to Cleland is egregious. I would share that information because no one who gave so much should be disrespected like that. No one. Not ever.

I’ll fill her in. More motivation to go out and vote against Senator Mark Kirk.

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:37:38pm

re: #95 Anymouse

You might ask Coca-Cola if they know its patent is expired.

And it should never expire.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:38:01pm

re: #36 Bill and Opus for 2016!

I’m actually surprised. CNN has carried the whole Hillary Clinton speech.

Yeah. Don’t they have an empty podium somewhere to watch?

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:38:03pm

Our current copyright system wasn’t designed for digital media, and unless other countries do something about it, it damages the very purpose of copyrights, which, as I said, is creation. There is definitely something that needs to be made standard around the world to enforce a copyright mechanism, which I would want to fit in a good time limit.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:38:16pm

re: #96 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Ummm. I would try em.

Yeah, there’s something wrong with me…you can’t admit to liking Cheetos or Mountain Dew because internet.

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:38:20pm

re: #110 MsJ

One can argue about the extents of the copyrights and patents, how it can be tweaked so that the balance achieved, etc.

But we are talking about a specific set of policies which follows the specific American model which happens to be unfair and nonsensical and you should try to correct it in your own country rather than try to spread the infection around the world.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:38:40pm

re: #88 Franklin

What a maroon

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And that’s not Elijah Cummings.
It’s John Lewis.

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sagehen  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:38:42pm

re: #41 KGxvi

I really dislike our current copyright laws. I’d much prefer a renewal system (which we’ve had in the past). I’d say something like this:

1. copyright valid for the life of the artist plus five years (if the artist isn’t a natural person, set it at 25 years; if it’s a partnership or more than one artist it lasts for the life of the longest living artist plus five years)
2. one year before expiration, the copyright holder can renew the copyright. First for a 10 year period, second renewal is 5 years, third renewal and beyond is 1 year. Each renewal requires a higher registration fee. Also, the work must be published in a meaningful way at least once in the preceding 3 years (meaning Disney doesn’t get to run Steamboat Willie at 3 am on a Tuesday one time and then keep the protection).

I think that fairly balances all the interests involved.

I’d give it longer than 5 years after the artist dies; see Michael Jackson, Prince, David Bowie and Jonathan Larson. Their heirs deserve a couple of decades.

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Teukka  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:38:43pm

re: #110 MsJ

I completely disagree with this:

And while I do not want to give power to mega corporations, IP is IP. Some small companies (especially tech) lives or dies by its IP. I am staunchly for allowing people to retain ownership to their IP.

I think there is a balance and that balance can be achieved. But to allow China, for example, to make it’s own iPhone based on Apple’s patents and software, is wrong, no matter how big Apple is.

My stance is that the more permissive a license you make your IP available under, the greater default protections for them. Not as it is now, where you basically only has a big IP protection as your budget affords, not to mention the IP trolls.

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:38:51pm

re: #108 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Seriously? You think it’s right for some publisher to still be profiting from—or more likely just spitefully sitting on—a book written by an author who died in 1947?

Yes. I do.

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Kragar  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:39:15pm
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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:39:24pm

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

And that’s not Elijah Cummings.
It’s John Lewis.

Whatevs. All the blackies looks alike to us.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:39:25pm

re: #111 MsJ

What they did to Cleland is egregious. I would share that information because no one who gave so much should be disrespected like that. No one. Not ever.

And they did that to Cleland long before Trump or even Cruz was on the GOP radar screen. It’s who that party is. They’ll perfectly happy to smear the service record of veterans who dare to disagree with them. And then two years later, you had how Kerry’s purple hearts were mocked and turned into a punch line with a bunch of Republican punks wearing purple heart band adds at the RNC.

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:39:26pm

re: #120 sagehen

I’d give it longer than 5 years after the artist dies; see Michael Jackson, Prince, and Jonathan Larson. Their heirs deserve a couple of decades.

Not sure why.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:39:41pm

re: #95 Anymouse

You might ask Coca-Cola if they know its patent is expired.

If I’d been in charge of the patent office, Coca Cola would never have gotten a patent. It doesn’t deserve one. Guarding it can be handled by trade secrets.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:40:48pm

re: #120 sagehen

I’d give it longer than 5 years after the artist dies; see Michael Jackson, Prince, David Bowie and Jonathan Larson. Their heirs deserve a couple of decades.

Why? Do Donald Trump’s children “deserve” anything for being born to him?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:41:16pm

re: #123 Kragar

@benchmarkpol New Arizona GE poll from OH Predictive Insights - Clinton 46.5% Trump 42.2% t.co
— Andrew Richardson

Not really a great national election poll for HRC. Oh wait, it’s Arizona.

Seriously, these polls are heartening, but I’m not getting giddy yet. Way too early.

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Whack-A-Mole  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:41:25pm

Did DF finally flounce from here or did he just decide to let his asshole-flag fly on Twitter today?

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:41:35pm

re: #121 Teukka

My stance is that the more permissive a license you make your IP available under, the greater default protections for them. Not as it is now, where you basically only has a big IP protection as your budget affords, not to mention the IP trolls.

Patent trolls should be hung, then drawn and quartered and finally tarred and feathered.

That is a separate issue that is not TPP and should be addressed with legislation which will never happen because we do not have a functioning government.

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:41:40pm

re: #123 Kragar

[ New Arizona GE poll from OH Predictive Insights - Clinton 46.5% Trump 42.2%]

Joe Arpaio softly weeps into his pink hankie.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:41:48pm

re: #123 Kragar

RealClearPolitics—Hillary’s lead over Trump in Arizona drops to four points!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:42:05pm

re: #130 Whack-A-Mole

Did DF finally flounce from here or did he just decide to let his asshole-flag fly on Twitter today?

I think he just did the latter. I dunno though.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:42:23pm

Just got an email from grabagun.com:

Check out these gun deals during your Sit-in

Unsubscribing and not giving them anymore of my business

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:42:42pm

re: #132 wrenchwench

Joe Arpaio softly weeps into his pink hankie.

Jan Brewer and McCain can join him.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:43:15pm

re: #135 GlutenFreeJesus

Just got an email from grabagun.com:

Unsubscribing and not giving them anymore of my business

They never miss an opportunity do they to exploit the fears of people?

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:43:49pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

And they did that to Cleland long before Trump or even Cruz was on the GOP radar screen. It’s who that party is. They’ll perfectly happy to smear the service record of veterans who dare to disagree with them. And then two years later, you had how Kerry’s purple hearts were mocked and turned into a punch line with a bunch of Republican punks wearing purple heart band adds at the RNC.

Exactly. Just like they are all “Support the Troops(tm)” until it comes time to improve the VA or increase military pay or any of the other initiatives that Dems have tried to do to help our military.

To the GOP, our military are nothing but a talking points to give or take points away, based on the talking point du jour.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:43:56pm

Cowards……

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:43:58pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:44:07pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

Honestly, this is the first email from them that I can remember with this sort of tone. One was enough.

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(((The Engineer Lobuno)))  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:44:22pm

re: #72 KGxvi

Maybe it’s because I’m a(n aspiring) writer with too much of a legal education, but my only concern is opening up works to derivative works during the life of the author. Under your formulation, at 25 years, A Song of Fire and Ice (Game of Thrones) would fall into the public domain in 5 years time. But it seems GRRM still has plenty more work in that realm.

I’m in favor of a fixed time for copyrights. I wouldn’t be opposed to have it been revised to match life expectancy.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:44:27pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

They never miss an opportunity do they to exploit the fears of people?

How is it these fine folks can sell guns in America, which has been destroyed by Obama and all guns taken away and gun owners locked up in jail?

//

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:44:29pm

re: #112 Romantic Heretic

I’m with my favourite author on NAFTA.

From The Doubter’s Companion.

The TPP is just another, larger example of NAFTA. It will have just as many deleterious effects on the nations involved.

Voltaire’s Bastards should be required reading by every politician.

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KGxvi  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:44:56pm

re: #91 Belafon

Copyright was meant to be a temporary thing to encourage people to create. When it goes on for so long that it limits other people creating (most creations are derivatives), it’s running counter to its purpose. We don’t keep patents for that long.

Again, for me it comes down to allowing the original artist to control derivative works at least during his life time. And if the works continue to be published, then I don’t have much of a problem with it. Moreover, given the ease at which things can be reproduced today (if you have a pdf copy of a writing, you can sell it online for ibooks or kindle), I think there needs to be strong protections for artists.

I’d also argue that, at least with respect to literary works, most creations are original not derivatives. There may be only a handful of themes in stories, but characters and plots tend to be unique to the author.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:45:08pm

wow

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:45:12pm

re: #141 GlutenFreeJesus

Honestly, this is the first email from them that I can remember with this sort of tone. One was enough.

Well I meant gun companies in general.

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:45:18pm

re: #127 Belafon

If I’d been in charge of the patent office, Coca Cola would never have gotten a patent. It doesn’t deserve one. Guarding it can be handled by trade secrets.

I would agree with that. I think you’re right but isn’t IP a trade secret? It doesn’t have to solely be a patent (which isn’t a TS because it’s public…how does Coke have a patent on its formula without it being in the public domain?).

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:45:40pm

re: #128 Belafon

Why? Do Donald Trump’s children “deserve” anything for being born to him?

Or Trump vis a vis his father.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:46:02pm

re: #143 Sir John Barron

How is it these fine folks can sell guns in America, which has been destroyed by Obama and all guns taken away and gun owners locked up in jail?

//

They’re not only selling guns in America, business is booming. In fact, I’d go so far to say that creating the fear of firearms confiscation is a business in itself.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:46:19pm

re: #122 MsJ

Yes. I do.

Fucking wow….

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:46:42pm

re: #130 Whack-A-Mole

Did DF finally flounce from here or did he just decide to let his asshole-flag fly on Twitter today?

It’s been flying for years here and elsewhere. That’s nothing he wouldn’t and hasn’t said here. So at least there is some consistency. Terrifyingly so.

The lack of humanity saddens me.

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gocart mozart  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:47:42pm

re: #71 Anymouse

Distinguished graduate of Yale Law School

FYI: First in class at Yale Law, Bill was #3.

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:47:47pm

re: #151 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

One could ask why not 700 years, but why bother.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:48:01pm

Joaquin Castro speaking next.

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sagehen  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:48:02pm

re: #95 Anymouse

You might ask Coca-Cola if they know its patent is expired.

They don’t have a patent; their formula is a closely guarded secret (if it was patented, they’d have had to reveal it in the filing.)

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:48:27pm

re: #95 Anymouse

You might ask Coca-Cola if they know its patent is expired.

They don’t have a patent. It’s a trade secret. They never patented it - which would have provided the ingredient list/manufacturing process/ratio of ingredients for people to see.

That’s why they guard the ingredient list/process so tightly.

Other companies have tried reverse engineering the beverage to mixed success.

Trade secrets have no expiration date - if the company releases the trade secret it becomes open season on the information contained therein.

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(((The Engineer Lobuno)))  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:49:09pm

re: #80 MsJ

Huh? I work for a software company. That intellectual property is important to any company. Why would you think protecting your intellectual property is bad? That is what makes me FOR the TPP.

Copyrights are different from patents, which is what’s been typically used by software companies.

That doesn’t mean that the patent law in the US are as screwed as the copyright law.

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Skip Intro  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:49:17pm

re: #34 Big Beautiful Door

What is the “pro-gun” argument after Orlando anyway? Even the NRA said it doesn’t favor drunk people packing heat in bars.

This is it.

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:50:07pm

re: #151 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Fucking wow….

Sorry. I not only work for a software company but I am a writer. I am firmly in the camp of I own my IP. No one else can have it. They can not use it. It is mine and mine alone.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:50:22pm

re: #74 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Alert Cheeto Jesus:

Burger King’s new ‘Mac ‘n Cheetos’ sticks leave the world gasping in horror

Embedded Image

I need a pint of insulin to handle that!

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Lidane  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:50:35pm

re: #74 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Is it wrong to admit I’d eat that? Fried mac and cheese is a guilty pleasure and I like Cheetos.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:51:19pm

re: #159 Skip Intro

This is it.

[Embedded content]

You know, now I actually believe Trump when he says he’s never drank before because there’s no way that someone who’s been out drinking is going to know what to do with a firearm in a volatile situation. There’s no way most sober people will either for that matter.

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:51:53pm

re: #162 Lidane

Is it wrong to admit I’d eat that? Fried mac and cheese is a guilty pleasure and I like Cheetos.

Having never eaten mac’n’cheese: is it edible cold?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:51:56pm

re: #162 Lidane

Is it wrong to admit I’d eat that? Fried mac and cheese is a guilty pleasure and I like Cheetos.

I uh uh wanted to and did in fact try the Double Down. I immediately hated myself though.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:52:23pm

re: #164 Nyet

Having never eaten mac’n’cheese: is it edible cold?

Cold Mac and Cheese? Forgetaboutit.

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:52:29pm

re: #161 Joe Bacon

I need a pint of insulin to handle that!

I should be appalled but damn that looks good. Cheetos are one of the few snack foods I like…and I like a lot! Mmmmm.

(my heart be still…which it would be if I ate too many of these! :-)

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Timothy Watson  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:52:54pm

re: #157 lawhawk

They don’t have a patent. It’s a trade secret. They never patented it - which would have provided the ingredient list/manufacturing process/ratio of ingredients for people to see.

That’s why they guard the ingredient list/process so tightly.

Other companies have tried reverse engineering the beverage to mixed success.

Trade secrets have no expiration date - if the company releases the trade secret it becomes open season on the information contained therein.

I remember a story that someone tried to sell Coke’s formula to Pepsi and they called Coke and the federal government to report it.

Besides not wanting to get in trouble themselves, Pepsi hoped that Coke would repay the favor in the future if the situation was reversed.

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:52:55pm

re: #166 HappyWarrior

Cold Mac and Cheese? Forgetaboutit.

That’s what I suspected. Why would one want these mac’n’cheetos then?

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:53:07pm

re: #166 HappyWarrior

Cold Mac and Cheese? Forgetaboutit.

Right out of the fridge. YUMMO.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:53:08pm

re: #129 Sir John Barron

Not really a great national election poll for HRC. Oh wait, it’s Arizona.

Seriously, these polls are heartening, but I’m not getting giddy yet. Way too early.

You can safely ignore the polls until about mid-August when the Convention bumps have faded away. Not that I will; I’m too much of a political junkie.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:53:28pm

re: #160 MsJ

Sorry. I not only work for a software company but I am a writer. I am firmly in the camp of I own my IP. No one else can have it. They can not use it. It is mine and mine alone.

You want some corporate cannibals profiting off your work 70 years after your death? Again, Seriously?

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:53:48pm

re: #169 Nyet

That’s what I suspected. Why would one want these mac’n’cheetos then?

Why do people put anchovies and pineapple on pizzas? :-)

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danarchy  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:53:54pm

re: #165 HappyWarrior

I uh uh wanted to and did in fact try the Double Down. I immediately hated myself though.

Was the double down that kfc “sandwich” that had two pieces of chicken instead of bread?

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Skip Intro  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:54:20pm

re: #79 ObserverArt

So, Dark_Falcon is calling the sit-in a temper tantrum.

I guess reading Dr. Seuss was just fine or 60 showy attempts to cut funding and shutting down Obamacare was good governance.

Anyone actually think he isn’t going to vote for Trump?

Not anymore.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:54:32pm

rere: #169 Nyet

That’s what I suspected. Why would one want these mac’n’cheetos then?

I dunno heh.

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:54:35pm

re: #172 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

You want some corporate cannibals profiting off your work 70 years after your death? Again, Seriously?

No, I want to own my freaking IP forever. Or my agents, if I have designated any.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:54:51pm

re: #145 KGxvi

Again, for me it comes down to allowing the original artist to control derivative works at least during his life time. And if the works continue to be published, then I don’t have much of a problem with it. Moreover, given the ease at which things can be reproduced today (if you have a pdf copy of a writing, you can sell it online for ibooks or kindle), I think there needs to be strong protections for artists.

I’d also argue that, at least with respect to literary works, most creations are original not derivatives. There may be only a handful of themes in stories, but characters and plots tend to be unique to the author.

Do you know how many mythology books I have read based in modern times over the last 8 years due to my son enthusiasm over the subject?

But explain why what you describe doesn’t apply to patents. There are lots of unique patents, along with those that are derivatives. But we’ve managed to have a thriving industry with those limitations.

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:54:54pm

re: #174 danarchy

Was the double down that kfc “sandwich” that had two pieces of chicken instead of bread?

Yes.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:54:57pm

re: #174 danarchy

Was the double down that kfc “sandwich” that had two pieces of chicken instead of bread?

Yes and it was every bit as nasty and greasy as you could expect.

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:55:03pm

re: #173 MsJ

Why do people put anchovies and pineapple on pizzas? :-)

Because they have good taste.

half-/

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:55:28pm

re: #74 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Alert Cheeto Jesus:

Burger King’s new ‘Mac ‘n Cheetos’ sticks leave the world gasping in horror

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Accchhh! I’d eat that if were starving to death and couldn’t catch a stray cat.

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Lidane  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:56:11pm

re: #169 Nyet

That’s what I suspected. Why would one want these mac’n’cheetos then?

I’m guessing they’ll be straight out of a fryer then doused in Cheeto dust, so they’d be warm. Either way, I’ll try them once.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:56:15pm

My cat is sharpening his claws and giving me the evil eye.

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danarchy  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:56:30pm

re: #169 Nyet

That’s what I suspected. Why would one want these mac’n’cheetos then?

Aren’t they deep fried? Fried mac’n’cheese has been a thing at restauraunts around here for the past several months so BK is really just icking up an existing trend and adding cheeto dust.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:56:46pm

re: #178 Belafon

But explain why what you describe doesn’t apply to patents. There are lots of unique patents, along with those that are derivatives. But we’ve managed to have a thriving industry with those limitations.

Until someone like Microsoft pays a company to file frivolous patient lawsuits against anyone using Linux.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:56:47pm

re: #173 MsJ

Why do people put anchovies and pineapple on pizzas? :-)

My dad is an anchovies on pizza guy. My pallet has matured quite a bit since I was a boy and I first saw him do that but it still grosses me out over 25 years later.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:56:52pm

re: #158 (((The Engineer Lobuno)))

Copyrights are different from patents, which is what’s been typically used by software companies.

That doesn’t mean that the patent law in the US are as screwed as the copyright law.

The software engineering field uses copyrights everywhere. The entire enforcement mechanism of GNU is based on copyrights.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:57:15pm

re: #185 danarchy

Aren’t they deep fried? Fried mac’n’cheese has been a thing at restauraunts around here for the past several months so BK is really just icking up an existing trend and adding cheeto dust.

AKA “cheetle”

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:57:17pm

re: #183 Lidane

I would try them too, to see why people want to try them :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:57:25pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:57:38pm

I think ‘We stand with you’ is poor form when it’s a sit-in.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:57:50pm

re: #130 Whack-A-Mole

He can join Kilgore.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:57:58pm

re: #186 Timothy Watson

Until someone like Microsoft pays a company to file frivolous patient lawsuits against anyone using Linux.

And I loved watching SCO get crushed.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:57:59pm

What I’m surprised to see is that grilled cheese has become quite the rage. I mean I don’t mind a grilled cheese sandwich but it just doesn’t excite me even with a more exotic cheese.

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:58:22pm

re: #160 MsJ

Sorry. I not only work for a software company but I am a writer. I am firmly in the camp of I own my IP. No one else can have it. They can not use it. It is mine and mine alone.

So Disney should be able to keep the mouse under copyright forever?

That is the US copyright model that is under discussion here.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:58:33pm

re: #102 CuriousLurker

I am SO done with wingnut B.S. Enough already. #Blocked

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He never apologized for insulting me when I shared that my son was killed in Iraq. That’s what I blocked him on Twitter.

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:58:46pm

Dems showing some spine.
I like it, never mind the circumstances.

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:59:49pm

re: #197 Joe Bacon

He never apologized for insulting me when I shared that my son was killed in Iraq. That’s what I blocked him on Twitter.

WTF!
What did he say?

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2016 • 12:59:53pm

Imagine if Hoare had copyrighted and patented quick sort under current laws.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:00:03pm

re: #197 Joe Bacon

He never apologized for insulting me when I shared that my son was killed in Iraq. That’s what I blocked him on Twitter.

I never knew that about your son. I’m so sorry.

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sagehen  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:00:37pm

re: #126 Nyet

Not sure why.

Jonathan Larson died the week “Rent” opened. The writer and composer royalties for a Broadway show that ran more than ten years, and a hit movie made 5 years later… that’s just way too soon to make it public domain. What if Lin-Manuel Miranda is hit by a bus next week? Prince left a vault full of unreleased recordings. David Bowie’s latest release was 3 days before he died.

The IP rights have to last at least as long as Doctor Who has been on the air.

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:00:53pm

re: #200 Belafon

Imagine if Hoare had copyrighted and patented quick sort under current laws.

The patent would have long since expired. Perpetual copyright is the biggest flaw I see in US copyright law.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:01:04pm

re: #197 Joe Bacon

He never apologized for insulting me when I shared that my son was killed in Iraq. That’s what I blocked him on Twitter.

I remember when he did that.

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Franklin  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:01:06pm
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Anymouse  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:01:36pm

re: #197 Joe Bacon

He never apologized for insulting me when I shared that my son was killed in Iraq. That’s what I blocked him on Twitter.

I was not aware of your son. My condolences.

Why would someone want to insult you over that?

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KerFuFFler  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:02:33pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

What I’m surprised to see is that grilled cheese has become quite the rage. I mean I don’t mind a grilled cheese sandwich but it just doesn’t excite me even with a more exotic cheese.

Served with a homemade soup there is very little that I enjoy more than a good grilled cheese sammich. Choosing the right bread is also key.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:02:42pm

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

I remember when he did that.

I honestly had no idea about that. That honestly makes me pretty angry given the sympathy and empathy we’ve shown to him and his family when he’s talked about his and their ailments. I also had no idea that Joe’s son died in Iraq. Damn. Sorry. Iraq always hits so close to home for me since so many people my age were there. I had an internet friend who was over there who I lost touch with and I still don’t know what happened to him.

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:03:12pm

re: #202 sagehen

I don’t think it’s too soon.
I also think that the law should take familial circumstances into account. I.e. no heirs, only a corporation sucking out the juices? Copyright expires automatically upon death.

The creator left little children who might benefit from the money? Extend it a bit, reasonably.

And so on.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:03:18pm

re: #207 KerFuFFler

Served with a homemade soup there is very little that I enjoy more than a good grilled cheese sammich. Choosing the right bread is also key.

Ah bread, that would be key since we’ve never been bread connoisseurs in my household.

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:04:17pm

re: #207 KerFuFFler

Served with a homemade soup there is very little that I enjoy more than a good grilled cheese sammich. Choosing the right bread is also key.

Having a second cast iron griddle to squish ‘em while they’re cooking is the key.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:04:43pm
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Franklin  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:05:20pm

In yo’ face Mark Walker!

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BeachDem  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:05:25pm

re: #192 wrenchwench

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I think ‘We stand with you’ is poor form when it’s a sit-in.

Gee, he stood with the filibuster by tweet; now he stands with the sit-in by tweet. Just like his supporters—doesn’t seem to want to actually get in the game, does he.

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:05:35pm

re: #209 Nyet

I don’t think it’s too soon.
I also think that the law should take familial circumstances into account. I.e. no heirs, only a corporation sucking out the juices? Copyright expires automatically upon death.

The creator left little children who might benefit from the money? Extend it a bit, reasonably.

And so on.

Unless some significant reform takes place, Disney will have copyright on the mouse 1,000 years from now. All music from about 1920 on will never go into the public domain. Ditto with all books.

This is madness.

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:05:36pm

re: #192 wrenchwench

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I think ‘We stand with you’ is poor form when it’s a sit-in.

Would be better if he actually went and stood/sat with them. Alas….

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KerFuFFler  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:06:00pm

re: #211 wrenchwench

Having a second cast iron griddle to squish ‘em while they’re cooking is the key.

My husband is also from the squish’em school of grilled cheesery——-but we just use a spatula with cunning and vigor.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:06:06pm

re: #213 Franklin

In yo’ face Mark Walker!

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Somehow I doubt he’ll get the connection.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:06:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:06:51pm

re: #214 BeachDem

Gee, he stood with the filibuster by tweet; now he stands with the sit-in by tweet. Just like his supporters—doesn’t seem to want to actually get in the game, does he.

And yet he’s somehow a revolutionary.

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:07:23pm

re: #215 EPR-radar

Absolutely. And it should stop.
That’s why TPP should die.

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Franklin  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:07:26pm

OT: I don’t get it, but I’m here for it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:07:30pm

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I can’t wait for her to be Senator Duckworth.

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:07:32pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

What I’m surprised to see is that grilled cheese has become quite the rage. I mean I don’t mind a grilled cheese sandwich but it just doesn’t excite me even with a more exotic cheese.

Mac and Cheese with Gruyere/Parmesan and panchetta (in a bechamel sauce made with chicken stock and milk) is the most amazing M&C you will ever, ever have.

Even the kids like it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:07:44pm

I was debating whether to embed Baby’s Whiplash’s Peak Asshole Tweet about John Lewis, or the freshly baked Ciabatta Bread that I ate for lunch.

Decided to go with the bread (before it is all eated)

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:08:16pm

re: #197 Joe Bacon

He never apologized for insulting me when I shared that my son was killed in Iraq. That’s what I blocked him on Twitter.

That’s appalling. I am so very sorry.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:08:19pm

re: #177 MsJ

No, I want to own my freaking IP forever. Or my agents, if I have designated any.

SMDH…..

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:08:30pm

re: #225 The Vicious Babushka

That looks delicious.
Now I must eat.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:08:30pm

re: #224 MsJ

Mac and Cheese with Gruyere/Parmesan and panchetta (in a bechamel sauce made with chicken stock and milk) is the most amazing M&C you will ever, ever have.

Even the kids like it.

That does sound quite good.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:08:38pm

re: #197 Joe Bacon

He never apologized for insulting me when I shared that my son was killed in Iraq. That’s what I blocked him on Twitter.

I never knew that either. Great respect & sadness.

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sagehen  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:08:40pm

re: #196 EPR-radar

So Disney should be able to keep the mouse under copyright forever?

That is the US copyright model that is under discussion here.

The mouse isn’t copyright; it’s trademark. Trademarks are eternal.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:08:41pm

re: #223 HappyWarrior

I can’t wait for her to be Senator Duckworth.

President Duckworth

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:09:42pm

re: #177 MsJ

No, I want to own my freaking IP forever. Or my agents, if I have designated any.

This level of greed (at the oligarch level) is most of the reason why it’s so hard for good things to happen in this country.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:09:50pm

re: #197 Joe Bacon

He never apologized for insulting me when I shared that my son was killed in Iraq. That’s what I blocked him on Twitter.

Wow, I guess I missed that. I’m sorry for your loss and don’t blame you one bit. I’m beyond sick & tired of all the RWNJ nonsense—the pettiness, spitefulness, obstruction, lying, misinformation & disinformation, lack of compassion, parsimony when it comes to anyone but their own (constitutional protections included, not just $$), etc. He’s on permanent GAZE here too, beginning today. Enough already.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:10:34pm

re: #232 The Vicious Babushka

President Duckworth

I’d be happy with that. Just hope she gets to the Senate first which I think she will.

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SteelPH  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:10:39pm

Wow, DF has me blocked on Twitter. and I’ve never even tweeted at him.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:10:50pm

That bread I just posted a picture of? AWESOME GRILLED CHEESE.

Although I ate it with a fresh sliced tomato & avocado & some chopped cilantro, olive oil & lemon juice.

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Skip Intro  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:10:54pm

Pretty good one from Kristol Meth.

Of course it doesn’t take him long to get back on course.

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:11:03pm

re: #236 SteelPH

Wow, DF has me blocked on Twitter. and I’ve never even tweeted at him.

Wut the fucking fuck.

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:11:14pm

re: #218 HappyWarrior

Somehow I doubt he’ll get the connection.

Willfully and woefully ignorant.

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:11:44pm

re: #231 sagehen

The mouse isn’t copyright; it’s trademark. Trademarks are eternal.

I was being imprecise. Every time Steamboat Willie is in danger of going into the public domain via copyright expiration, Congress obligingly extends copyright term.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:12:07pm

Another Rep (Beto O’Rourke D-TX/El Paso) is livestreaming:

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KGxvi  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:12:29pm

re: #178 Belafon

Do you know how many mythology books I have read based in modern times over the last 8 years due to my son enthusiasm over the subject?

But explain why what you describe doesn’t apply to patents. There are lots of unique patents, along with those that are derivatives. But we’ve managed to have a thriving industry with those limitations.

The biggest difference is that if I patent a chair (to pick a random object), once my exclusive right to make (or license the making) of said chair design ends, I can continue to make chairs based on that design for profit. But with a book or a song or a movie, particularly given the ease that technology allows copying today, you severely impact the artist’s ability to make money.

With my chair example, sure, other people are making chairs, but it still takes some effort and capital investment (you have to buy materials and put them together). But with a work of art, there’s no such competitive market angle. You can go buy a copy of a book/movie/song for less than ten dollars and turn around and sell copies for a dime, while easily making up your investment.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:12:53pm

re: #238 Skip Intro

Pretty good one from Kristol Meth.

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I hear David French’s wife would be available but she’s probably not allowed to talk to Bill since he’s not her husband.

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:13:13pm

re: #233 EPR-radar

This level of greed (at the oligarch level) is most of the reason why it’s so hard for good things to happen in this country.

I understand your issues. But, unfortunately, protecting the small guy means, at least at this point in time, means protecting the big guys, too.

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Lidane  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:13:33pm

Watch the RWNJs boycott Marvel now:

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Franklin  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:14:11pm

Hmmmmm…….

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unproven innocence  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:14:14pm

re: #209 Nyet

[snip]Copyright expires automatically upon death.[snip]

Civilization requires significant decoupling between death of a copyright holder and profiteering from his/her works. Otherwise, murder-for-hire becomes the norm.

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:14:15pm

re: #236 SteelPH

Wow, DF has me blocked on Twitter. and I’ve never even tweeted at him.

Here, Dark…have at it. @MsJoanne

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:15:00pm

re: #245 MsJ

I understand your issues. But, unfortunately, protecting the small guy means, at least at this point in time, means protecting the big guys, too.

How is a perpetual copyright helping the little guy?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:15:16pm

re: #238 Skip Intro

Prediction: 2016 GOP MVP will be @Reince, who steps up, ensures open convention, saves party from Trump and produces ticket that wins in Nov
— Bill Kristol

And a pony.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:15:45pm

Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX) is absolutely on fire right now.

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KGxvi  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:16:06pm

re: #231 sagehen

The mouse isn’t copyright; it’s trademark. Trademarks are eternal.

Trademarks are eternal so long as they are used. Del Taco lost their trademark to Naugles (a third fast food Mexican joint that existed in southern California in the 70s and 80s), and now someone is bringing Naugles back.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:16:29pm

re: #215 EPR-radar

Unless some significant reform takes place, Disney will have copyright on the mouse 1,000 years from now. All music from about 1920 on will never go into the public domain. Ditto with all books.

This is madness.

All books published before January 1, 1923 are unambiguously in the public domain. Some asshole publishers who have issued reprints since have threatened Google Books and they’ve knuckled under and taken them off full view. Thank goodness for the Internet Archive.

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BeachDem  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:16:38pm

re: #216 MsJ

Would be better if he actually went and stood/sat with them. Alas….

From what I read, he’s busy preparing a speech about “where do we go from here” to be delivered in NY tomorrow—much like he was busy at home, preparing his speech to supporters while the filibuster was going on. He’s such a busy man.

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:17:37pm

re: #250 EPR-radar

How is a perpetual copyright helping the little guy?

Seriously? I own software and materials related to that software. That is my business (little guy) and my kid inherits my company…so the company I built should now go into the public domain so any schmuck with a keyboard can make a company based on my IP? You have got to be kidding.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:18:25pm

re: #255 BeachDem

From what I read, he’s busy preparing a speech about “where do we go from here” to be delivered in NY tomorrow—much like he was busy at home, preparing his speech to supporters while the filibuster was going on. He’s such a busy man.

You know, the more I see from him, the less impressed I am and the more I see why for a man who has been in Congress for a quarter century got such little support from colleagues. He isn’t a leader. The left of the party does have much better leaders like Senator Warren, Rep. Lewis, and others that are actual leaders rather than grandstanders like Bernie.

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:18:30pm

re: #255 BeachDem

From what I read, he’s busy preparing a speech about “where do we go from here” to be delivered in NY tomorrow—much like he was busy at home, preparing his speech to supporters while the filibuster was going on. He’s such a busy man.

Maybe he is helping Jane do their tax returns.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:18:38pm
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KGxvi  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:18:40pm

re: #253 KGxvi

Trademarks are eternal so long as they are used. Del Taco lost their trademark to Naugles (a third fast food Mexican joint that existed in southern California in the 70s and 80s), and now someone is bringing Naugles back.

Sorry, used and protected. If a trademarked term falls into common usage, then it loses protection. See: thermos; escalator; jacuzzi; nylon; etc.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:18:45pm

re: #238 Skip Intro

Next: Trump is SUPERIOR to Abraham, Moses & David because Trump lies, disobeys AND commits adultery. #Trifecta t.co
— Bill Kristol

Yeah, just remarkable to me, that for every election I’ve paid attention to, voted in, the GOP always emphasizes “character”, implying or explicitly stating that the Dem candidate did not possess the proper “character” for the presidency and to represent America. Now that they’re stuck with Trump, they’re all just, “F0ck it, nobody’s perfect”.

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gocart mozart  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:18:49pm

re: #238 Skip Intro

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:18:55pm

re: #248 unproven innocence

Civilization requires significant decoupling between death of a copyright holder and profiteering from his/her works. Otherwise, murder-for-hire becomes the norm.

I don’t believe that’s a realistic factor, unless you think Steven Spielberg would bump off Stephen King to make a movie based on his book and not have to pay him a cent.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:19:22pm

re: #243 KGxvi

The biggest difference is that if I patent a chair (to pick a random object), once my exclusive right to make (or license the making) of said chair design ends, I can continue to make chairs based on that design for profit. But with a book or a song or a movie, particularly given the ease that technology allows copying today, you severely impact the artist’s ability to make money.

With my chair example, sure, other people are making chairs, but it still takes some effort and capital investment (you have to buy materials and put them together). But with a work of art, there’s no such competitive market angle. You can go buy a copy of a book/movie/song for less than ten dollars and turn around and sell copies for a dime, while easily making up your investment.

The changes I’m talking about won’t impact the copyright infringement you’re talking about. I’m actually in favor of a global enforcement mechanism, but copyrights shouldn’t last forever.

3D printing and advancements in CNC 3D development are changing a lot of manufacturing stuff. What will it mean when I can download the digital printing instructions to make a copy of a blender?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:19:31pm

re: #259 Charles Johnson

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Yep. I have no doubt at all about that given his present views on LGBT rights.

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gocart mozart  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:20:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:20:55pm

re: #261 Sir John Barron

Yeah, just remarkable to me, that for every election I’ve paid attention to, voted in, the GOP always emphasizes “character”, implying or explicitly stating that the Dem candidate did not possess the proper “character” for the presidency and to represent America. Now that they’re stuck with Trump, they’re all just, “F0ck it, nobody’s perfect”.

I always hated the GOP for that especially the family values shit they’ve been doing for years. Trump is the face of what the GOP really is behind the Holy Rolling bullshit, a bigoted old white man afraid that the face of his country changing.

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Franklin  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:20:56pm

This is great!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:21:18pm

re: #266 gocart mozart

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He may be a Randian asshole but Cuban’s not wrong about Trump.

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:21:34pm

re: #248 unproven innocence

Civilization requires significant decoupling between death of a copyright holder and profiteering from his/her works. Otherwise, murder-for-hire becomes the norm.

Probably not. Once something is in the public domain, the profit margins to be gained from publishing and distributing the material are minimal, especially with the internet removing the traditional publication and distribution barriers to entry. So the ‘business case’ here would be murdering a copyright holder without a way for the murderer to make the big bucks. Not even Trump would be stupid enough to go for that.

It is the exclusivity of the copyright that provides its commercial value.

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gocart mozart  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:21:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:22:07pm

re: #268 Franklin

This is great!

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Bernie wouldn’t wear a Lebron jersey,. //

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:22:08pm

re: #267 HappyWarrior

I always hated the GOP for that especially the family values shit they’ve been doing for years. Trump is the face of what the GOP really is behind the Holy Rolling bullshit, a bigoted old white man afraid that the face of his country changing.

And some RWNJ are double tripling down by trying to put lipstick on their Trump pig and saying TRUMPS GOT GRATE CHARACTER!!!!!! BELIEVE US!!!!1

Silly people. Appalling.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:23:03pm

re: #256 MsJ

Seriously? I own software and materials related to that software. That is my business (little guy) and my kid inherits my company…so the company I built should now go into the public domain so any schmuck with a keyboard can make a company based on my IP? You have got to be kidding.

Yes. Otherwise, maybe we should eliminate the whole system that has allowed you to keep your IP for this long. I don’t mean that as a threat, I mean it as we’ve set up a system that protects you temporarily so that you can thrive. It shouldn’t mean forever.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:23:10pm

Man, the gun-humpers are out in force on Twitter.

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Teukka  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:23:37pm

re: #275 Charles Johnson

Man, the gun-humpers are out in force on Twitter.

What took them so long ;) ?

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Anymouse  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:23:40pm

Wonkette weighs in on the Democratic sit-in in the US House:

wonkette.com

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Kragar  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:23:45pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:24:13pm

re: #273 Sir John Barron

And some RWNJ are double tripling down by trying to put lipstick on their Trump pig and saying TRUMPS GOT GRATE CHARACTER!!!!!! BELIEVE US!!!!1

Silly people. Appalling.

It’s not even that. It’s how they constantly have to trash the character of liberals. I have never seen a prominent Liberal Democrat go after conservatives as people the way liberal Democrats are attacked as being somehow less than American and even less than mentally stable by Republicans. It was even part of Reagan’s lame humor when he would often imply that his liberal opponents were too stupid to know better. Pretty rich talk from someone who pretty much was a puppet especially at the end of his time in office.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:24:20pm

re: #234 CuriousLurker

My pet wingnuts are abandoning ship over on Facebook and I am laughing my ass off.

See, NOW they’re tired of all the political infighting. When they were slinging all kinds of shit around about traitor flags and tea party shit and executive overreach and kenya and muslim and terrorist and ISIS camps, no, they weren’t tired THEN. No, now that even their retrograde stupid asses can’t be pressed to vote for Trump, now they just can’t take it anymore and ohmahstars everyone is sooo mean now. One of them floated, bwhahahaha, Gary Johnson, lol,lol and Jill Stein, teefuckinghee, as an “alternative maybe?” Snort, snort snort. No, NOW they’re tired of it because no one can stand their own fucking shit jokes anymore and everyone’s oversensitive and both candidates are just awful. Boo. Fucking. Hoo. Where’s my freshly starched stack of hankies? I seem to have misplaced them…..This is Georgia mind you, and if this group of historically and civicly deficient backwardass dipshits are figuring out how stupid and awful this is, there may be more hope than we think.

Oh, the dumbasses aren’t going to go into some sort of introspection about their fucking asshole nonsense, no sir-ree, that’s what cowards do. I mean, life isn’t complete unless you have a gun or 12, and those poor people are still a drain on us all and of course brown people of any hue. But maybe for once they’ll feel more disenfranchised than I have being a liberal democrat here for 26 years. And maybe this time they’ll stay home and maybe the grown ups will get a say for awhile. Because there have been more than a few elections where I literally had no one to vote for in most of the offices on the ballot because there was no Democrat to vote for. Welcome to My Jungle. Bitches.

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SteelPH  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:24:23pm

Shoot, most of my tweets are just whatever silly ruminations are going on in my brain.

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Whack-A-Mole  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:24:33pm

re: #236 SteelPH

Maybe this is his flounce and he’s just too much of a coward to come here and do it firsthand…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:24:39pm

re: #276 Teukka

What took them so long ;) ?

Talking points had to be delivered.

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gocart mozart  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:24:43pm
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SteelPH  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:26:01pm

re: #282 Whack-A-Mole

To be fair, I don’t actually know exactly how long ago he blocked me. I only discovered it just now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:26:42pm

re: #283 HappyWarrior

Talking points had to be delivered.

But they are the same old weak talking points.

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KGxvi  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:27:03pm

re: #264 Belafon

The changes I’m talking about won’t impact the copyright infringement you’re talking about. I’m actually in favor of a global enforcement mechanism, but copyrights shouldn’t last forever.

3D printing and advancements in CNC 3D development are changing a lot of manufacturing stuff. What will it mean when I can download the digital printing instructions to make a copy of a blender?

I agree, to an extent, that copyright shouldn’t last forever. That’s why what I propose would have renewals that would require publication and increasing registration fees - both of which would prompt copyright holders to allow material to fall into the public domain if it’s not profitable. But under your proposal, if I publish something tomorrow, in twenty-five years (or however long) someone can buy a used copy, scan it, and then sell it for pennies on the dollar.

So there’s two issues - protecting works from unauthorized derivative works (sequels and series can easily last more than 25 years, again see ASOIAF); and protecting against undercutting sales. I think a renewal system protects those concerns while also allowing works to fall into the public domain so that they can be reimagined.

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:27:25pm
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Franklin  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:28:01pm

Hadn’t thought of it that way…HW surrogate

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:29:25pm

re: #274 Belafon

Yes. Otherwise, maybe we should eliminate the whole system that has allowed you to keep your IP for this long. I don’t mean that as a threat, I mean it as we’ve set up a system that protects you temporarily so that you can thrive. It shouldn’t mean forever.

It definitely does not mean forever. The relevant part of the constitution reads:

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.

So an explicitly eternal copyright is unconstitutional. That’s why we have this nice long copyright term that is extended every time Disney wants it to be. After that, some idealistic fool wastes time and money filling suit citing this part of the constitution and SCOTUS replies “The Mickey Mouse protection Act of 2525 defines a copyright term of life of the author + 500 years. This is ‘limited’ and is therefore constitutional.”

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:29:25pm

Would be so cool if all the still living Presidents endorsed Hillary after the GOP convention.

I know, snowball’s chance, but still.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:29:49pm

re: #289 Franklin

Hadn’t thought of it that way…HW surrogate

I can’t see pictures or tweets being replied to. HW?

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:30:21pm

re: #292 Belafon

I can’t see pictures or tweets being replied to. HW?

G HW Bush

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:31:15pm

re: #286 Backwoods_Sleuth

But they are the same old weak talking points.

True.

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Franklin  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:31:19pm

re: #292 Belafon

I can’t see pictures or tweets being replied to. HW?

politico.com

Brent Scowcroft, national security adviser under Republican presidents Gerald Ford and George H.W. Bush, endorsed Hillary Clinton for president on Wednesday.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:32:05pm

re: #291 Nyet

Would be so cool if all the still living Presidents endorsed Hillary after the GOP convention.

I know, snowball’s chance, but still.

The Bush Presidents won’t endorse Hillary, even though they clearly have no love lost for Trump. But the Bush First Ladies might.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:32:10pm

re: #292 Belafon

I can’t see pictures or tweets being replied to. HW?

Not me- HW Bush. Scowcroft was his national security guy.

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gocart mozart  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:32:21pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:32:45pm

re: #287 KGxvi

I agree, to an extent, that copyright shouldn’t last forever. That’s why what I propose would have renewals that would require publication and increasing registration fees - both of which would prompt copyright holders to allow material to fall into the public domain if it’s not profitable. But under your proposal, if I publish something tomorrow, in twenty-five years (or however long) someone can buy a used copy, scan it, and then sell it for pennies on the dollar.

So there’s two issues - protecting works from unauthorized derivative works (sequels and series can easily last more than 25 years, again see ASOIAF); and protecting against undercutting sales. I think a renewal system protects those concerns while also allowing works to fall into the public domain so that they can be reimagined.

The system we had between 1923 and 1963 didn’t need fixing. Initial term 17 (?) years, and then you could renew it for a small fee for 25 years each time as long as you were alive and wanted to do so.

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:33:18pm

re: #297 Big Beautiful Door

Yeah, no realistic chance of an endorsement… but at least they could say they wouldn’t vote for Trump.

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Franklin  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:33:20pm
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Belafon  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:33:52pm

re: #290 EPR-radar

It definitely does not mean forever. The relevant part of the constitution reads:

So an explicitly eternal copyright is unconstitutional. That’s why we have this nice long copyright term that is extended every time Disney wants it to be. After that, some idealistic fool wastes time and money filling suit citing this part of the constitution and SCOTUS replies “The Mickey Mouse protection Act of 2525 defines a copyright term of life of the author + 500 years. This is ‘limited’ and is therefore constitutional.”

Ok. I shouldn’t have ended it with an exaggeration. I mean there really should be a reasonable limit.

My thought is this: Whatever you thought of Pride and Prejudice and Zombies, if the original had been written after 1929, it would have been harder for that book to have been made. At some reasonable point in time, which to me is far less than a person’s lifetime, the work should go into the public domain.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:34:54pm

re: #197 Joe Bacon

He never apologized for insulting me when I shared that my son was killed in Iraq. That’s what I blocked him on Twitter.

So sorry, I had no idea.

There’s a lot more I want to say but I should probably hold back, after all it’s not like my opinion of DF is shrouded in mystery or anything.

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:37:08pm

Yeah, working is like Speaker Ryan furiously typing away at his vaporware proposal to repeal Obamacare and replace it with … nothing.

Working is like Speaker Ryan turning off the lights and ducking out of having to do the nation’s work and fulfilling the Constitutional requirement to provide for the General Welfare.

Working is like the Senate GOP’s failure to act on the President’s judicial nominee to the Supreme Court.

Working… it doesn’t mean what Malkin thinks it means.

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:37:28pm

re: #300 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The system we had between 1923 and 1963 didn’t need fixing. Initial term 17 (?) years, and then you could renew it for a small fee for 25 years each time as long as you were alive and wanted to do so.

I think corporate ownership of copyrights is where things get complicated. The corporation is immortal, but not allowing corporations to hold copyright is probably too restrictive.

There is also a case to be made for life of the creator + X years (where X is reasonable) copyright term, in order to avoid systematically reducing the value of work by older creators.

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:37:43pm

re: #293 gocart mozart

A scene from an upcoming episode of Game of Thrones?

The Red Castle? /

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Kragar  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:38:30pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:38:34pm

re: #305 lawhawk

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Yeah, working is like Speaker Ryan furiously typing away at his vaporware proposal to repeal Obamacare and replace it with … nothing.

Working is like Speaker Ryan turning off the lights and ducking out of having to do the nation’s work and fulfilling the Constitutional requirement to provide for the General Welfare.

Working is like the Senate GOP’s failure to act on the President’s judicial nominee to the Supreme Court.

Working… it doesn’t mean what Malkin thinks it means.

Coming from someone who champions endless repeals of ACA. This is pretty fucking hilarious. Face it Michele, your party cares more about guns than they do people and their lack of any thing resembling effort on this issue proves it to anyone who doesn’t have a gun stuck up their ass.

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Frenchy  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:39:49pm

re: #305 lawhawk

And demanding that those who want terror suspects to be able to buy weapons of war put their name to that vote = “pouting”.

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:39:51pm

re: #308 Kragar

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:39:58pm

re: #299 gocart mozart

Are we talking about the Steve King with the wild and scary imagination or the prolific author from Maine?

Gocart for the win

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:40:08pm

re: #306 EPR-radar

I think corporate ownership of copyrights is where things get complicated. The corporation is immortal, but not allowing corporations to hold copyright is probably too restrictive.

There is also a case to be made for life of the creator + X years (where X is reasonable) copyright term, in order to avoid systematically reducing the value of work by older creators.

I’m just happy that nobody could be arsed renewing most of the magazine science fiction from the pre-1963 era. Project Gutenberg has quite an assortment.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:40:51pm

re: #311 Nyet

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God he’s sad. Just shut the hell up already, you;’re not getting Bernie nominated for President anymore than I’n getting a night on the town with Kate Upton.

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:41:06pm

re: #305 lawhawk

Like any Republican in Congress has the faintest idea what work is. GOPers talking about work is more of that massive unintentional irony that the GOP specializes in.

If they keep this up, the tidal forces will knock the moon out of its orbit.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:42:00pm

re: #305 lawhawk

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Yeah, working is like Speaker Ryan furiously typing away at his vaporware proposal to repeal Obamacare and replace it with … nothing.

Working is like Speaker Ryan turning off the lights and ducking out of having to do the nation’s work and fulfilling the Constitutional requirement to provide for the General Welfare.

Working is like the Senate GOP’s failure to act on the President’s judicial nominee to the Supreme Court.

Working… it doesn’t mean what Malkin thinks it means.

Malkin, meanwhile, is too busy checking on the counter-tops in the homes of 10-year-olds.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:42:08pm

re: #310 Frenchy

And demanding that those who want terror suspects to be able to buy weapons of war put their name to that vote = “pouting”.

I have never gotten this answered from a gun nut but what is the point of having a terrorist watch list if those people are still allowed to own guns? I get and agree the list needs to be fixed but if you’re going to have that list, the people on that list shouldn’t be able to own guns.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:42:37pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:42:55pm

re: #316 Timothy Watson

Malkin, meanwhile, is too busy checking on the counter-tops in the homes of 10-year-olds.

That was another thing they were doing in the Bush years. No offense to Lizards who were right leaning then but the right’s always been pretty fucked up. It just got even uglier here in the Obama years.

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:43:16pm

re: #318 goddamnedfrank

It’s HA HA GOODONE

;)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:43:38pm

re: #320 Nyet

It’s HA HA GOODONE

;)

Ha Goodpun :)

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:44:03pm

re: #321 HappyWarrior

Ha Goodpun :)

Not mine!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:44:41pm

re: #322 Nyet

Not mine!

I know.

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Tigger2  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:45:13pm

re: #53 lawhawk

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Dark… showing his compassionate conservatism. By threatening to shut down funding for social programs because Democrats are actually trying to do something to help all Americans avoid further bloodshed due to the nation being awash in firearms.

Had enough of him.

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BeachDem  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:45:16pm

re: #302 Franklin

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Love that the CT treats were Newman’s Own! (We were just talking yesterday about Paul Newman and what a wonderful person he was.)

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:45:25pm

re: #314 HappyWarrior

God he’s sad. Just shut the hell up already, you;’re not getting Bernie nominated for President anymore than I’n getting a night on the town with Kate Upton.

Who was having an affair with Kat Dennings earlier? That’s as likely as me having an affair with Kat Dennings, so…against the laws of physics, pretty much….

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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:45:49pm

Hey…Bernie just showed up at the House Sit-in. Way to go Bernie.

I think reality has finally set-in. He needs to get to work now getting his supporters chilled out and helping Hillary.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:47:40pm

re: #324 Tigger2

Had enough of him.

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Even if you don’t agree with the Dems here, his idea of punishing the poor through cutting social programs because of this tactic is crass as shit. Honestly, I really think he only toes the R line on guns because it’s the R line. I don’t even think he’s genuinely motivated by principle on guns since he shows me time and time again that he’s a party line above all else type.

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BeachDem  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:48:08pm

re: #314 HappyWarrior

God he’s sad. Just shut the hell up already, you;’re not getting Bernie nominated for President anymore than I’n getting a night on the town with Kate Upton.

I’d say you have a better chance with Kate.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:48:39pm

re: #329 BeachDem

I’d say you have a better chance with Kate.

Well like her fiance I am from Virginia and have a beard.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:49:12pm

re: #325 BeachDem

Love that the CT treats were Newman’s Own! (We were just talking yesterday about Paul Newman and what a wonderful person he was.)

I’m amused by the contrast between Durbin and Brown. Probably because I am spending far too much time being aware of what I am eating these days.

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:49:22pm

re: #327 ObserverArt

Hey…Bernie just showed up at the House Sit-in. Way to go Bernie.

I think reality has finally set-in. He needs to get to work now getting his supporters chilled out and helping Hillary.

If he will STFD and STFU I will stop thinking bad thoughts about him.

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Anymouse  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:49:28pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:50:08pm

re: #333 Anymouse

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Better listen to Mom, Keith.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:50:08pm

re: #327 ObserverArt

Hey…Bernie just showed up at the House Sit-in. Way to go Bernie.

I think reality has finally set-in. He needs to get to work now getting his supporters chilled out and helping Hillary.

I feel helpless since my Congressman and both my Senators are already there. I don’t know who to harass. I tried to check on my former congressman Jim McDermott, but he only tweets every couple of months. He’s an old, like me.

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:51:00pm

Here’s a thought experiment for proponents of perpetual copyright.

Imagine all of the cultural treasures of the past put behind a copyright paywall.

You want to play “Pomp and Circumstance” at a graduation, you’re violating copyright or paying off the rights holder.

Ditto for a performance of Beethoven’s Ninth Symphony. All of Shakespeare’s plays. Etc. Etc.

Bear in mind that violations of copyright law in the US, including infringement without monetary gain, can be criminally prosecuted. So we’d end up with a nation of criminals, where just about anyone, especially creators, could be criminally charged based on more or less inevitable infringement of copyrights.

I was not exaggerating above when I called this madness.

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:51:02pm

re: #330 HappyWarrior

have a beard.

*sound of my mental picture of HW breaking*

;)

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:51:46pm

re: #337 Nyet

*sound of my mental picture of HW breaking*

;)

I admit, I just picture everyone as their user icons.

It can be a little weird in a few cases.

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:52:11pm

re: #336 EPR-radar

The idea doesn’t even merit further discussion.

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:52:27pm

re: #338 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I admit, I just picture everyone as their user icons.

It can be a little weird in a few cases.

I can change it.

:)

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:52:28pm

re: #313 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’m just happy that nobody could be arsed renewing most of the magazine science fiction from the pre-1963 era. Project Gutenberg has quite an assortment.

One of the reasons I don’t like the really long copyrights is there are some older technical books that are no longer in print but copyright prevents anyone from making a copy. The Advanced OS book my professor used had been out of print for ten years; he relied on the bookstore being able to get students to sell back their books.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:53:02pm

re: #340 wrenchwench

I can change it.

:)

I was thinking more DD. ;)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:53:09pm

re: #337 Nyet

*sound of my mental picture of HW breaking*

;)

You imagine blonde, red head, or dark hair if we’re going to play this?

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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:54:08pm

re: #291 Nyet

Would be so cool if all the still living Presidents endorsed Hillary after the GOP convention.

I know, snowball’s chance, but still.

It is not out of the realm of possibility.

When Brent Scowcroft and David Gergen come out and endorse Hillary we are very close to those Republican Presidents doing so too.

Same with Mom Bush saying she doesn’t see how any woman can vote for Trump.

None of this looks good for the current GOP leadership. In a way it is a slap in the face to McConnell and Ryan too. All current GOPers have to be wondering where they actually stand as the floor is being cut out from beneath their feet.

Reince Priebus is dead meat.

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Alephnaught  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:54:10pm

re: #222 Franklin

OT: I don’t get it, but I’m here for it.

“Sexual orientation: Halloween.”

That sounds like how more than a couple of the drag queens in Glasgow like to describe themselves.

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:54:16pm

re: #343 HappyWarrior

I’m bad at describing people. But for some reason you were clean-shaven in my head :D

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:54:48pm

re: #346 Nyet

I’m bad at describing people. But for some reason you were clean-shaved in my head :D

I actually was but I grew up my beard this past winter and I haven’t looked back.

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(((The Engineer Lobuno)))  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:55:07pm

re: #336 EPR-radar

Here’s a thought experiment for proponents of perpetual copyright.

Imagine all of the cultural treasures of the past put behind a copyright paywall.

You want to play “Pomp and Circumstance” at a graduation, you’re violating copyright or paying off the rights holder.

Ditto for a performance of Beethoven’s Ninth Symphony. All of Shakespeare’s plays. Etc. Etc.

Bear in mind that violations of copyright law in the US, including infringement without monetary gain, can be criminally prosecuted. So we’d end up with a nation of criminals, where just about anyone, especially creators, could be criminally charged based on more or less inevitable infringement of copyrights.

I was not exaggerating above when I called this madness.

Look no further than the Happy Birthday tune mess.

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BeachDem  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:55:08pm

re: #335 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I feel helpless since my Congressman and both my Senators are already there. I don’t know who to harass. I tried to check on my former congressman Jim McDermott, but he only tweets every couple of months. He’s an old, like me.

I feel more helpless because my Senators are Lindsey Graham and Tim Scott, and my congressman is Tom Rice, a do-nothing back-bencher who just follows the rest of the ridiculous SC Republicans like Trey Gowdy, Mark Sanford and Joe Wilson. Sigh.

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freetoken  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:55:25pm

This copyright thing harkens to the bigger picture, of “ownership” of anything, including land.

I suppose I could go all marxist here but I think there are deeper and more fundamental issues involved, that of our species turning to settled lifestyles and agriculture and the proliferation of the products of our creativity.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:55:56pm

re: #335 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I feel helpless since my Congressman and both my Senators are already there. I don’t know who to harass. I tried to check on my former congressman Jim McDermott, but he only tweets every couple of months. He’s an old, like me.

Lucky you. From dog catcher to president, the only Democrat in my representation chain here in Texas is Obama, and that’s one more than the number of reasonable Republicans.

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:57:00pm

re: #339 Nyet

The idea doesn’t even merit further discussion.

On the merits of the idea, you are 100% correct.

However, this is a useful political exercise. This business of absolutism relating to property rights goes far beyond copyright/IP issues and is often used by conservatives to divide and conquer reform efforts.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:57:23pm

re: #311 Nyet

Oh FFS, all these months of ranting, and no one has taught this child that the FBI doesn’t issue indictments, doesn’t file charges?

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BeachDem  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:57:30pm

re: #343 HappyWarrior

You imagine blonde, red head, or dark hair if we’re going to play this?

For some reason, I see someone who looks like Dweezil Zappa. (And I mean that as a compliment, because I think Dweezil is adorable.)

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freetoken  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:58:15pm

In other news, this story has me wondering:

Japan spooked by naval mystery in East China Sea

Is Putin trying to start a fire somewhere? Do the Russians really believe the US is going to go down the path of Drumpfskind and that we will stop caring about Japan? Or is China trying to demonstrate that since they are the ones protecting these islands that indeed the islands really belong to them?

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(((The Engineer Lobuno)))  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:58:19pm

re: #188 Belafon

The software engineering field uses copyrights everywhere. The entire enforcement mechanism of GNU is based on copyrights.

I stand corrected.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:58:36pm

re: #330 HappyWarrior

Well like her fiance I am from Virginia and have a beard.

A beard? That’s all I am missing for my chance?

//////

(Drats, never could grow a half-way decent beard anyway.)

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:58:56pm

re: #326 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Who was having an affair with Kat Dennings earlier? That’s as likely as me having an affair with Kat Dennings, so…against the laws of physics, pretty much….

Me. Which is totally true. Believe me. I have the best affairs. All the women love me.

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2016 • 1:59:17pm

Looks like he’s standing up and talking. I’m thinking unkindly thoughts….

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Alephnaught  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:00:30pm

re: #232 The Vicious Babushka

President Duckworth

Of course, say that phrase in Britain, and people might think of this….

Coronation Street - Jack and Vera Duckworth - Well Hello Vince

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BeachDem  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:00:38pm

re: #359 wrenchwench

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Looks like he’s standing up and talking. I’m thinking unkindly thoughts….

And shaking/waving his finger…

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:00:59pm

re: #353 FormerDirtDart

Stop touching yourselves Clinton supporters, Bernie NEVER CONCEDED ANYTHING today. Worry about your daily hacks. Enjoy the FBI indictments.
— H. A. Goodman

Don’t need Bernie to concede or do anything. Bernie conceding is not a prerequisite to HRC’s nomination. It would be classy and reality-accepting of Bernie. But not necessary. Also HA needs to find gainful employment.

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(((The Engineer Lobuno)))  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:01:15pm

re: #359 wrenchwench

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Looks like he’s standing up and talking. I’m thinking unkindly thoughts….

I’ll give him some credit. At least he showed up, which is something he didn’t bother to do last week.

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:02:40pm

re: #361 BeachDem

And shaking/waving his finger…

That assured me that he was speaking even though his mouth wasn’t open very far.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:02:45pm

re: #359 wrenchwench

*RageFurby mode on* I win. My tweets forced him to show up.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:02:58pm

re: #357 Timothy Watson

A beard? That’s all I am missing for my chance?

//////

(Drats, never could grow a half-way decent beard anyway.)

You are from closer to where Justin Verlander is from then I am though.

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:03:20pm

re: #188 Belafon

The software engineering field uses copyrights everywhere. The entire enforcement mechanism of GNU is based on copyrights.

Copyright is the traditional IP protection model for software. Patent protection for software is a more recent (and controversial) legal development.

A copyright on software only protects against literal copies. If someone takes the ideas from another’s software and codes it up differently, copyright protection won’t apply, but a patent on the relevant ideas would apply. However, patents are harder to get than copyrights, expire, and SCOTUS may end up killing off the idea of patenting software entirely.

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gocart mozart  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:03:33pm

re: #311 Nyet

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:03:50pm

re: #364 wrenchwench

That assured me that he was speaking even though his mouth wasn’t open very far.

He probably wags his damn finger even in sleep.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:04:33pm

re: #354 BeachDem

For some reason, I see someone who looks like Dweezil Zappa. (And I mean that as a compliment, because I think Dweezil is adorable.)

I googled him. Not really but he does have darker hair and blue eyes like I do which I know is very general. I don’t think I look like anyone famous. My old man though in his youth got Clapton a lot. One of my co-workers told me he could definitely see that I was predominately Slavic in origin and not Celtic, Germanic, or Western European though.

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gwangung  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:04:43pm

re: #363 (((The Engineer Lobuno)))

I’ll give him some credit. At least he showed up, which is something he didn’t bother to do last week.

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:04:58pm

re: #369 Nyet

He probably wags his damn finger even in sleep.

He should go at it with Jan Brewer. A wag-off.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:04:58pm

re: #369 Nyet

He probably wags his damn finger even in sleep.

We now return to Bernie Dreams of Wall Street.

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Anymouse  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:05:43pm

re: #351 Belafon

Lucky you. From dog catcher to president, the only Democrat in my representation chain here in Texas is Obama, and that’s one more than the number of reasonable Republicans.

In my chain it is me —-> President Obama. Everyone in between? I can’t get any of my senators (state or federal), representatives, or any other official even to respond to me with an automated E-mail: They all have my letters and E-mail on “shred before reading.”

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:06:09pm

re: #373 HappyWarrior

Bernie and the Amazing Technicolor Revolution.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:06:47pm

Let’s see though. I’ve got a Dem governor and two Dem Senators but Republicans in the House, state House, and state senate. When I was a kid, I had more Republicans in the chain but they were more reasonable Republicans than the ones I haev now.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:07:40pm

re: #197 Joe Bacon

{{{Joe}}}

Great respect and condolences to you and your family for the ultimate sacrifice. I can’t imagine…..

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:07:55pm

He left? Yeah I’m kind of convinced now that he wants to be the center of attention always. To use an old quote I saw about Teddy Roosevelt, the bride and groom at every wedding and the corpse at every funeral. It’d be one thing I guess if he actually had leadership skills but he doesn’t.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:09:01pm

re: #367 EPR-radar

Copyright is the traditional IP protection model for software. Patent protection for software is a more recent (and controversial) legal development.

A copyright on software only protects against literal copies. If someone takes the ideas from another’s software and codes it up differently, copyright protection won’t apply, but a patent on the relevant ideas would apply. However, patents are harder to get than copyrights, expire, and SCOTUS may end up killing off the idea of patenting software entirely.

Which I won’t be sad about. There are a few things I might argue could have been patented, quick sort for example, but 99.9% of them are useless. It was software patents that have held up the open source implementation of Java, for instance.

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(((The Engineer Lobuno)))  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:11:43pm

re: #371 gwangung

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Credit has been removed.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:12:05pm

He’s gonna ride that chair all the way to an early release…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:12:10pm

re: #236 SteelPH

Wow, DF has me blocked on Twitter. and I’ve never even tweeted at him.

Good idea. Decided to block him. Never shared a single tweet with him. Buh-bye.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:13:21pm

re: #381 FormerDirtDart

He’s gonna ride that chair all the way to an early release…

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Wouldn’t surprise me. His dirty little cover up makes what happened with Foley all the more disturbing and yet I keep on being told the Republican Party is the party of family values and decency. Yeah fuckin’ right.

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(((The Engineer Lobuno)))  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:13:33pm

re: #197 Joe Bacon

{{Joe}}

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:14:53pm

Seems like guccifer (*gag*) 2.0 has been a failure, PR-wise.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:15:03pm

re: #344 ObserverArt

All current GOPers have to be wondering where they actually stand as the floor is being cut out from beneath their feet.

They have a plan that they’re sure will work. //
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:15:15pm

re: #371 gwangung

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Anymouse  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:15:15pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:17:04pm

re: #387 GlutenFreeJesus

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Then why show up?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:17:30pm

re: #388 Anymouse

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Nicely stated.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:19:17pm

If you need a break, this clip from Maya and Marty demanded bladder control last nite.

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:19:26pm

I just realized how sexism and stereotyped gender roles did me the most harm. My dad would have made a great mom, and my mom, jerk that she is, wouldn’t have been so bad as a dad. Of course, in thinking about that, I am mired in stereotypes of fatherhood and motherhood.

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TK-421  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:20:10pm

I like the idea anymouse brought up the other day about mandatory insurance for gun owners. Solid.

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:22:29pm

This is what I was reading when I had those thoughts:

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:24:22pm

re: #359 wrenchwench

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Looks like he’s standing up and talking. I’m thinking unkindly thoughts….

He looks like Bernie being Bernie. He has Bernie Resting Face.

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TK-421  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:25:01pm

People is plural. The collective have their right to bear arms with state militia.

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:26:11pm

re: #370 HappyWarrior

I googled him. Not really but he does have darker hair and blue eyes like I do which I know is very general. I don’t think I look like anyone famous. My old man though in his youth got Clapton a lot. One of my co-workers told me he could definitely see that I was predominately Slavic in origin and not Celtic, Germanic, or Western European though.

I am told Sandra Bullock on a pretty regular basis. I don’t see it. I wish I did.

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sagehen  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:26:55pm

re: #307 lawhawk

A scene from an upcoming episode of Game of Thrones?

The Red Castle? /

It was an art installation in London, commemorating WWI. Each poppy is a death, all together it’s a river of blood.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:28:27pm

re: #396 TK-421

They could easily have written “no person’s right shall be infringed” if they had meant it that way. Are we supposed to believe that these thoughtful, intelligent, well-read men chose their words randomly?

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William Lewis  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:28:48pm

re: #95 Anymouse

Coke was never patented. And there is a huge difference, legally, between a patent and a trade secret (which is what protects Coke).

Our copyright laws are a sick joke. I’m personally all for one period of 20 years and then it’s public domain. Period. No renewal. Would that be abused? Of course. But that abuse would be less than what happens on a daily basis now.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:31:08pm

*FACE PALM*

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TK-421  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:31:22pm

re: #399 Jebediah, RBG

After watching Trump run for POTUS, I wonder…
/

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:32:34pm

re: #401 The Vicious Babushka

The SMOTI title is not going anywhere, I see…

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BeachDem  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:33:02pm

re: #397 MsJ

I am told Sandra Bullock on a pretty regular basis. I don’t see it. I wish I did.

I always got Debra Winger—was always pleased—neither of us have aged that well.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:33:17pm

re: #403 Nyet

The SMOTI title is not going anywhere, I see…

Not anywhere any time soon.

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:34:17pm

re: #399 Jebediah, RBG

They could easily have written “no person’s right shall be infringed” if they had meant it that way. Are we supposed to believe that these thoughtful, intelligent, well-read men chose their words randomly?

Exactly. The wording of the second amendment is 1) ambiguous and 2) was written by capable writers. Therefore that ambiguity was deliberate.

The most obvious possible reason to have ambiguous militia-related language in the second amendment was to make it clear that to whatever extent it grants an individual right to keep and bear arms, that right would not apply to black people and most specifically would not apply to slaves in revolt.

That seems to be what the militia language most clearly accomplishes.

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TK-421  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:35:34pm

re: #406 EPR-radar

I agree.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:35:55pm

Honestly I really do feel with something like guns we have to look at the time period it was written in. This was before the Industrial Revolution and a time when we were a predominately rural society.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:36:30pm

re: #402 TK-421

After watching Trump run for POTUS, I wonder…
/

To be fair, I sighed about the others in the Clown Car Show too.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:37:33pm

re: #404 BeachDem

I always got Debra Winger—was always pleased—neither of us have aged that well.

I only get compared to my mother. Or my baby sister.

Not terribly useful.

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Anymouse  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:38:02pm
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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:39:32pm

re: #408 HappyWarrior

Honestly I really do feel with something like guns we have to look at the time period it was written in. This was before the Industrial Revolution and a time when we were a predominately rural society.

It’s always balancing things against each other. Not easy.

I mean, I’m pretty sure your Founding Fathers did not foresee lots of what falls under free speech/1st amdt. today, and would have even been appalled that you consider it free speech. Which doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t consider it free speech, mind you. The situation with the 2nd amdt is sort of the same and reversed at the same time, IYKWIM.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:40:48pm

re: #412 Nyet

It’s always balancing things against each other. Not easy.

I mean, I’m pretty sure your Founding Fathers did not foresee lots of what falls under free speech/1st amdt. today, and would have even been appalled that you consider it free speech. Which doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t consider it free speech, mind you. The situation with the 2nd amdt is sort of the same and reversed at the same time, IYKWIM.

Right. Honestly I’ve always been wary of founder worship.

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Skip Intro  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:44:28pm

re: #381 FormerDirtDart

He’s gonna ride that chair all the way to an early release…

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What, no oxygen tank?

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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:45:43pm

re: #402 TK-421

I wonder what time-machine founding fathers would think of Trump. Would they expect that someone so clearly clownish could get so close to the Presidency?

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plansbandc  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:50:27pm

re: #415 Jebediah, RBG

They would find him base and vulgar. And embarrassing. And horrifying. Just like we do.

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Nyet  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:51:51pm

re: #415 Jebediah, RBG

I wonder what time-machine founding fathers would think of Trump. Would they expect that someone so clearly clownish could get so close to the Presidency?

Well, the Founders would probably be horrified by today’s US. Especially by a black President, and a possible female President, not to mention gay marriage etc.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 22, 2016 • 2:55:54pm

re: #417 Nyet

There would certainly be a whole lot of culture shock.

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unproven innocence  Jun 22, 2016 • 3:03:24pm

re: #418 Jebediah, RBG

There would certainly be a whole lot of culture shock.

Tweets? What manner of sorcery is this?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2016 • 3:04:50pm

re: #349 BeachDem

I feel more helpless because my Senators are Lindsey Graham and Tim Scott, and my congressman is Tom Rice, a do-nothing back-bencher who just follows the rest of the ridiculous SC Republicans like Trey Gowdy, Mark Sanford and Joe Wilson. Sigh.

And I have McConnell, Paul and Massie.
At least Kentucky has Yarmuth there representing from the beginning of the sit-in.

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Jay C  Jun 22, 2016 • 4:07:03pm

re: #411 Anymouse

Well, 77 at least: Carolyn Maloney (NY-12) is tweeting that she’s up there (or so her official site sez): I think there might be a few more not on that list


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