CNN Hires Abusive Liar Fired by Trump Campaign

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Well, this is the grotesque media news of the day, as a man who abuses women and lies professionally for a racist candidate gets a paid job at CNN: Corey Lewandowski to join CNN.

Former Donald Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski is joining CNN as a political commentator, according to a source familiar with the arrangement.

It’s a salaried position and will make Lewandowski exclusive to CNN, effective immediately.

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522 comments

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:06:52pm

The hell of it is, two weeks ago basically the only thing we were talking about re: Lewandowski was how the dude was completely unqualified to run a campaign because he had basically no political experience or training.

So not only is he toxic, he’s incompetent. Great hire, guys!

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MsJ  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:06:58pm

o/` Trolling, trolling, trolling…keep that trolling going. Trolling, trolling, all jokes aside! o/`

(sorry for the immediate OT)

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:08:31pm

re: #2 MsJ

o/` Trolling, trolling, trolling…keep that trolling going. Trolling, trolling, all jokes aside! o/`

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(sorry for the immediate OT)

Thanks for the OT.

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Great White Snark  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:10:56pm

They have a Lemon and they try to make Lemonade. Now they have an ex aide. One far more bitter than any Lemonade ever made.

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Franklin  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:11:59pm

I give up, media just sucks.

Burying the lede in the 4th graf:

Because Mateen was presumed to be alive throughout the whole three-hour ordeal, he was considered an active shooter, Davis said. “We didn’t have that intel — we didn’t know exactly where he was at. We didn’t have opportunity to make entry into that building until the shooter was either arrested or killed.”

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Sir John Barron  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:14:17pm

re: #5 Franklin

I give up, media just sucks.

Burying the lede in the 4th graf:

Militant gays and radical BLM members were warring on police.

//

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:14:47pm

im sure lewandowski will never make any statements on cnn that will make the trump campaign look like a bunch of racists or morons

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Timothy Watson  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:15:07pm

re: #5 Franklin

I give up, media just sucks.

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Burying the lede in the 4th graf:

Something that is standard operating procedure for every rescue squad/EMT in the entire country.

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lawhawk  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:16:03pm

None of this is surprising. CNN was in a race to the bottom to see if they could get a creep formerly involved in the Trump campaign to spew his nonsense on tv for them.

They won.

Don Pardo, tell ‘em what they’ve won: a creep who thinks nothing of assaulting women and whose tether to reality is rather limited. A guy who defended indefensible Trump statements for months on end, even though they were fact and logic free.

Yeah, that’s a win CNN.

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Skip Intro  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:17:21pm

re: #9 lawhawk

When Fox is the gold standard there’s nowhere to go but down.

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gocart mozart  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:17:31pm
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stpaulbear  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:18:35pm

re: #7 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

im sure lewandowski will never make any statements on cnn that will make the trump campaign look like a bunch of racists or morons

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He’ll also get to blab endlessly about what a criminal Hillary is.

I’d bet that he doesn’t say anything bad about any republicans. He’s still on the team from what I’ve read post-firing.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:18:57pm

re: #11 gocart mozart

No, to kill lazy government bureaucrats and activist judges who take away are Freedumb.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:19:39pm

Question. Are there any Trump supporters that are hinged?

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Franklin  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:19:40pm

Non sequitur of the day award goes to……

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Sir John Barron  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:20:16pm

re: #7 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

im sure lewandowski will never make any statements on cnn that will make the trump campaign look like a bunch of racists or morons

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Given his NDA with Trump ensuring he can’t say anything meaningful about Trump at all, I’m sure Lewandowski will be full of unbiased information and enriching details from his Trump campaign experience.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:20:22pm

Tornado watch until 10 pm.
Yay me….
:(

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Kilroy01  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:20:56pm

Well Lewandowski can’t do any worse at Fact Checking than CNN does now.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:20:59pm

re: #15 Franklin

Our inner cities have been left behind. We will never have the resources to support our people if we have an open border.
— Donald J. Trump

LOLwat?

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Dave In Austin  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:22:06pm

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

Tornado watch until 10 pm.
Yay me….
:(

Eyes to the sky, ears to the air…. Be careful and take lots of pictures.

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Franklin  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:22:09pm

re: #19 Sir John Barron

LOLwat?

2 + 2 = banana

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:22:10pm

re: #11 gocart mozart

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I am sick of this shit. Rand, if you hate the US government so much you can resign immediately and stop drawing your salary and benefits from the U.S taxpayer. How about you and your asshole father go cry about the demise of the CSA in a corner alone.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:22:49pm

re: #14 I Would Prefer Not To

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Question. Are there any Trump supporters that are hinged?

I honestly don’t think so. You ahve to be pretty fucked up to think this guy is qualified to be President.

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mr.fusion  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:23:01pm
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Frenchy  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:23:57pm

Good luck with that whole “shooting at the government” thing, Rand. If they really wanted to get you, your guns would not save you. Fucking idiot.

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lawhawk  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:24:24pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior

13.3 million GOP voters can’t be wrong?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:24:44pm

What better way to spread Trump propaganda than to have this ahole on CNN. I bet this was planned all along.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:24:59pm

hahahahahahahaahaaaaa

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ObserverArt  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:25:37pm

I think it is time for a moment of silence and reflection regarding our ‘news’ media.

Next I ask for prayers for our citizens that have no real TV medium in which they can be sure they are getting straight facts and not being teased and played for ratings and or control of the message for ulterior motives by corporations or political parties.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:25:44pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:26:04pm

re: #25 Frenchy

Good luck with that whole “shooting at the government” thing, Rand. If they really wanted to get you, your guns would not save you. Fucking idiot.

it’s a load of paranoid bullshit. Honestly, I’m tired of Republicans like Rand who hate on the government while they happily draw their salaries and benefits from it. I mean if you’re going ot be an anti government asshole, at least have the decency to actually not take part in something you despise so much. But Randy Rand’s a fucking hypocrite just like his Daddy. He talks about how he hates the big bad government but he’s perfectly okay with using the government to push his vision of morality when it comes to things like abortion and gay marriage.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:26:39pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Woody Guthrie just wept.

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nines09  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:26:55pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

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and in smaller print underneath will read….”Except for you, and you, that couple over there, that kid, and your momma.”

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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:27:18pm

This video is getting lots of attention today:

What Happened Before History? Human Origins

It’s a bit off topic, but only a bit. It’s contents are rabidly denied by the wingnuts in may parts.

I have a few quibbles here and there with some of the statements, but squeezing 6 million years of change into a few minutes is a challenge, after all.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:27:58pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:28:19pm

re: #15 Franklin

Our inner cities have been left behind. We will never have the resources to support our people if we have an open border.

this is wingnut mode when they believe that illegal aliens come over the border and magically get on lifetime welfare

at other times, it’s necessary to believe that the illegal immigrants are of course all taking jobs away from americans who are being prevented from performing stoop labor and cleaning toilets for a living

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Frenchy  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:28:46pm

One nice side benefit of the sit-in was that it allowed us to forget about Trump for a while. Now I guess the media will be back to all Trump all the time. Sigh.

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ObserverArt  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:29:04pm

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

Tornado watch until 10 pm.
Yay me….
:(

Really? All I see for Columbus is some additional rain today and a continued worry about flash flooding from the overnight heavy rains.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:29:28pm

re: #35 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

NRA radio host whitesplains the civil rights movement to civil rights legend Rep. John Lewis

The NRA? The same people who use fear of racial minorities to their member is going to try to explain the Civil Rights movement to John Lewis, a man who was there and knows full well that white conservatives like the NRA have always been the enemy of equal civil rights.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:30:06pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:30:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:30:34pm

re: #40 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Hillary Clinton Might Win Arizona LOL

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if she wins Arizona, Sheriff Joe may be out of a job too.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:30:45pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

RNC plans to replace Cleveland sign of Lebron James with a red, white, and blue image saying “This land is our land.”

republican version of “this land belongs to you and me”:

this land is my land
this land is my land
get off of my land
and go back wherever you came from

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:30:51pm

re: #38 ObserverArt

Really? All I see for Columbus is some additional rain today and a continued worry about flash flooding from the overnight heavy rains.

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gocart mozart  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:31:21pm

It’s a very useful hashtag.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:32:13pm

What a bone headed move by CNN, one of many in recent years.

Is it time to consider a supernatural explanation?
/(too obscure?)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:32:17pm

re: #45 gocart mozart

It’s a very useful hashtag.

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Yeah it’s all over now. Except most voters aren’t idiots like Scott Adams.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:32:32pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

if she wins Arizona, Sheriff Joe may be out of a job too.

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ObserverArt  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:33:00pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

Orichalcum @orichalcum7
RNC plans to replace Cleveland sign of Lebron James with a red, white, and blue image saying “This land is our land.” #Cantpossiblygowrong
10:17 PM - 21 Jun 2016
148 148 Retweets 213 213 likes

Damn, the GOP really is tone deaf. That is not going to go over well in Cleveland no matter the politics.

But then, I guess it would be very difficult for them to have to face a huge image of a successful and beloved African American on their way to figuring out a way to screw such people and others.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:33:11pm

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Excellent news.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:33:17pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:34:11pm

A new flavor of BS comes from New Mexico:

[…]

In a press release Kubiak alluded to Torrez’s campaign getting support from George Soros, who commonly backs progressive candidates and causes.

“The median income in Albuquerque is around $47,500 per year…it would be irresponsible of me to ask our supporters to donate their hard earned money to my campaign knowing that it can become a million dollar race or more,” Kubiak said in his statement. “New Mexicans cannot afford to challenge anyone who has unlimited resources and support from a multibillionaire from another country.”

Kubiak took further shots the campaigns support of Soros in his press release.

“This exploitation of our citizens deeply saddens me because all of us know the safety and security of our community has been jeopardized,” [emph. added] Kubiak said.

By George Soros? Is he on the No Fly List?

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Dave In Austin  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:34:18pm

re: #34 freetoken

This video is getting lots of attention today:

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Video

It’s a bit off topic, but only a bit. It’s contents are rabidly denied by the wingnuts in may parts.

I have a few quibbles here and there with some of the statements, but squeezing 6 million years of change into a few minutes is a challenge, after all.

Add fear of the unknown to this and Boom, you have religion.

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BeachDem  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:34:52pm

re: #9 lawhawk

None of this is surprising. CNN was in a race to the bottom to see if they could get a creep formerly involved in the Trump campaign to spew his nonsense on tv for them.

They won.

Don Pardo, tell ‘em what they’ve won: a creep who thinks nothing of assaulting women and whose tether to reality is rather limited. A guy who defended indefensible Trump statements for months on end, even though they were fact and logic free.

Yeah, that’s a win CNN.

Well, CNN had to do something—after all MSNBC had already cornered the great right wing minds like Hugh Hewitt et al
/

Oh, and apparently they forgot to include new MSNBC fixture, Ann Coulter
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makeitstop  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:36:05pm

Anyone notice that Corey’s got a little combover action of his own goin’ on?

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nines09  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:36:33pm

re: #54 BeachDem

Makes you yearn for Yellow Journalism, where there was only a morning and evening edition. Not 24/7/365……Dolt TV. It’s DEAD.

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Great White Snark  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:36:56pm

re: #14 I Would Prefer Not To

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:37:02pm
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plansbandc  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:37:29pm

Well that’s yet another reason to never watch CNN.

Off topic, but this is a powerful story about a victim of sexual abuse who confronts the coach of the players who attacked her. (He invited her to speak to his new team)

news.nationalpost.com

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ObserverArt  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:38:07pm

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Interesting…your graphic shows Franklin County (Columbus).

Gonna have to go check the local media again and see what’s up. Thanks for the heads-up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:39:24pm

re: #60 ObserverArt

Interesting…your graphic shows Franklin County (Columbus).

Gonna have to go check the local media again and see what’s up. Thanks for the heads-up.

It’s the Wilmington NWS office’s graphic. They are the ones who issue the official watches.

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Kragar  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:41:49pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:41:57pm

re: #60 ObserverArt

Then my sister is probably in the watch too.

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BeachDem  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:42:26pm

re: #54 BeachDem

Well, CNN had to do something—after all MSNBC had already cornered the great right wing minds like Hugh Hewitt et al
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Just for clarification—this is the actual MSNBC ad (not that it’s any better)

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Sir John Barron  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:42:52pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLwhuttf?

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MsJ  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:43:01pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:43:38pm

re: #66 MsJ

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Nice candidate GOP.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:43:43pm

re: #63 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:44:04pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:44:24pm

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s the Wilmington NWS office’s graphic. They are the ones who issue the official watches.

Oh…now I see The Weather Channel and NBC4i is showing warnings.

I’m going to just check here from now on…you get the warnings up faster!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:48:00pm

re: #70 ObserverArt

There were pre-dawn two tornadoes today, one near Wilmington (the NWS office folks had to take shelter) and the other near Washington Court House.
Thunder is rumbling here at the moment.

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ObserverArt  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:48:58pm

re: #63 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Then my sister is probably in the watch too.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:49:56pm

Unless I’m crazy, I’m pretty sure they had other former Trumpian Michael Caputo (Mr. “Ding Dong the Witch Is Dead”) on last night. Please say they are going to have them on at the same time and wait for the sparks to fly!

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ObserverArt  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:50:13pm

re: #64 BeachDem

Just for clarification—this is the actual MSNBC ad (not that it’s any better)

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Groan. I’m trying to give them up…but have no where to turn. Yet.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:50:31pm
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Dave In Austin  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:52:59pm

re: #74 ObserverArt

Groan. I’m trying to give them up…but have no where to turn. Yet.

What he said… Just sucks.

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ObserverArt  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:54:47pm

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

There were pre-dawn two tornadoes today, one near Wilmington (the NWS office folks had to take shelter) and the other near Washington Court House.
Thunder is rumbling here at the moment.

Yeah, I heard about Washington Court House. Flooding still being watched in parts of Franklin and all of Delaware counties. Just had a nice shower here about a half-hour ago. I might start seeing green and growing grass again!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:54:58pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:55:19pm

re: #15 Franklin

Non sequitur of the day award goes to……

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All those Canadians pouring into Detroit’s inner city.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:55:33pm
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BeachDem  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:56:38pm

re: #77 ObserverArt

Yeah, I heard about Washington Court House. Flooding still being watched in parts of Franklin and all of Delaware counties. Just had a nice shower here about a half-hour ago. I might start seeing green and growing grass again!

Jeez—between the stories you all were telling yesterday about the drugs etc. in northern Franklin and Delaware counties and the floods and other craziness, I guess I got out of Dublin just in time!

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piratedan  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:57:10pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

there is some ground work ongoing here in AZ both on the Rez and elsewhere to register voters. McCain’s numbers suck. The Koch brothers puppet in the governors chair is fucking up by the numbers (see Kansas as a role model) and its just possible enough that this election may get AZ a lot more purple than it has been. Not only McCain is in trouble, but if Tucson gets bluer, McSally may be gone as well and maybe another congressional seat or two. The local state districts are so gerrymandered that kicking them out at the state lege level is likely too herculean a task but if Trump continues down this path, a lot of Mormons may sit this out.

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piratedan  Jun 23, 2016 • 12:58:34pm

re: #46 Shiplord Kirel

how about “they’re in the bag as a subsidiary of the GOP”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:00:31pm

That would be the blowout vote to table Johnson’s amendment (the NRA approved of that one instead of Susan Collin’s amendment).

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EPR-radar  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:01:21pm

Zombie Goebbels was not available, I suppose.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:03:10pm

re: #25 Frenchy

Good luck with that whole “shooting at the government” thing, Rand. If they really wanted to get you, your guns would not save you. Fucking idiot.

You know what they call people who decide to shoot it out with the feds? “Dearly Departed.”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:03:15pm

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:04:48pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahahahahahaahaaaaa

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Don’t worry. When Trump releases his tax returns they will show the millions in charitable giving he engaged in./

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Bubblehead II  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:05:00pm

re: #86 Big Beautiful Door

You know what they call people who decide to shoot it out with the feds? “Dearly Deservedly Departed.”

Couldn’t help myself. :-)

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Decatur Deb  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:05:09pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

Woody Guthrie just wept.

Arlo just Googled for Spirit’s lawyer.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:05:24pm

re: #72 ObserverArt

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:05:33pm

re: #87 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Jay C  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:05:41pm

re: #15 Franklin

Non sequitur of the day award goes to……

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What’s the most disheartening thing about reading stuff like this is that while you, and I, and, I’m sure, most Lizards recognize Trump’s gibberings for the non sequitur nonsense most of it is, there is an unfortunately large segment of the electorate “out there”* who will read these trite canned aphorisms, and sagely nod in agreement, as they accomplish their source’s main aim: i.e., to reinforce their prejudices.

* Usually WAAAY “out there”!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:06:38pm

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:07:51pm

Well look who’s bashing CNN for all it UNFAIRNESS

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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:08:15pm

re: #93 Jay C

If my Facebook feed is any indication, many “conservatives” and Republicans are now in the bargaining phase of Drumpfskindepoche.

Basically, they are now focusing on how very evil Hillary is, and thus are on the path to convince themselves that Clinton is worse than Drumpfskind.

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Frenchy  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:10:23pm

re: #95 The Vicious Babushka

Well if he has Breitbart articles backing up his claims I guess they’re unimpeachable.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:11:52pm

re: #15 Franklin

Non sequitur of the day award goes to……

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So Trump’s idea of “outreach” is to pit one group of oppressed minorities against another group of oppressed minorities, both of which he openly expresses contempt and hatred for. Brilliant strategy.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:12:16pm

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That would be the blowout vote to table Johnson’s amendment (the NRA approved of that one instead of Susan Collin’s amendment).

Man is that great to see. I’d love nothing more than to see the NRA become a weakened force. They contribute nothing positive to the debate.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:12:57pm

re: #96 freetoken

If my Facebook feed is any indication, many “conservatives” and Republicans are now in the bargaining phase of Drumpfskindepoche.

Basically, they are now focusing on how very evil Hillary is, and thus are on the path to convince themselves that Clinton is worse than Drumpfskind.

I’ve seen that too unfortunately with someone I thought was smart enough to see through Drumpf’s bs.

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EPR-radar  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:13:19pm

re: #96 freetoken

If my Facebook feed is any indication, many “conservatives” and Republicans are now in the bargaining phase of Drumpfskindepoche.

Basically, they are now focuses on how very evil Hillary is, and thus are on the path to convince themselves that Clinton is worse than Drumpfskind.

For most of them, this will be very easy. The only NeverTrumpers that aren’t likely to backslide are those who sincerely have a problem with Trump’s instability in relation to foreign policy.

Global thermonuclear war because Trump has a bad hair day would be bad for rich Birchers, so some of the few Republicans still capable of rational thought may see things this way.

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ObserverArt  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:13:33pm

re: #81 BeachDem

Jeez—between the stories you all were telling yesterday about the drugs etc. in northern Franklin and Delaware counties and the floods and other craziness, I guess I got out of Dublin just in time!

Getting bigger brings it’s issues. Cowtown no more!

As a matter of fact, I haven’t heard anyone say Cowtown for some time.

I can’t remember how long you have been away from the area, but I am willing to bet what you remember has already changed. You wouldn’t recognize the area between Dublin and Hilliard for one, and how far north Dublin goes now. Dublin..three counties…Franklin, Delware and Union.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:14:17pm
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Belafon  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:15:57pm

re: #98 InfidelOfFreedom

So Trump’s idea of “outreach” is to pit one group of oppressed minorities against another group of oppressed minorities, both of which he openly expresses contempt and hatred for. Brilliant strategy.

Isn’t that a fairly standard Republican strategy? They’ve been doing whites against others for years, but they’ve also pitted Christians against gays, men against women, natives versus immigrants, wealthy against the poor.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:16:11pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:16:34pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Private prisons scare the shit out of me after watching that Kids for Cash documentary. It’s a good reminder to people who think the private sector can do ANYTHING better than the government. The idea of prisons for profit just makes me ill.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:17:00pm

re: #95 The Vicious Babushka

Fuck, look who’s reporting it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:17:27pm

re: #104 Belafon

Isn’t that a fairly standard Republican strategy? They’ve been doing whites against others for years, but they’ve also pitted Christians against gays, men against women, natives versus immigrants, wealthy against the poor.

Yep. Get the Christians afraid of gays marrying and having equal rights while they push policies that favor the very wealthy at the expense of everyone else.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:18:36pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Its like a scene from OITNB

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:21:05pm

my grandfather came over from poland (in the czarist empire at the time) in 1890 when he was four. eventually he had a career as a surgeon

when he died it came out that he had never been naturalized. his father had been naturalized and his son was born in the u.s.

yes, my grandfather the doctor was an illegal alien. if he was alive today trump would want to deport him

he would be among the people protected by the bill that was rejected today

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:22:17pm

re: #109 Big Beautiful Door

Its like a scene from OITNB

The entire article is a freaking nightmare.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:22:39pm

Stock Market soared today while new unemployment claims fell to near historic lows. Yeah the economy isn’t perfect, but its continuing to make progress after the GOP drove it into the ditch.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:23:43pm

re: #110 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

my grandfather came over from poland (in the czarist empire at the time) in 1890 when he was four. eventually he had a career as a surgeon

when he died it came out that he had never been naturalized. his father had been naturalized and his son was born in the u.s.

yes, my grandfather the doctor was an illegal alien. if he was alive today trump would want to deport him

he would be among the people protected by the bill that was rejected today

We’re almost positive that my maternal grandfather’s mother was pregnant with my grandfather’s oldest brother when they came here from Slovenia in 1910. He’s someone that the GOP would call an anchor baby. He later served in WWII as did two of his other brothers and his youngest brother, my grandfather was in Korea. I defend today’s immigrants because I know even though it wasn’t always easy for my ancestors that emigrated that I want today’s immigrants to get the same respect mine got or if they didn’t get respect to get some much needed.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:23:57pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

The entire article is a freaking nightmare.

I’m not surprised. The War on Drugs can’t end soon enough.

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ObserverArt  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:24:26pm

re: #91 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:26:03pm

re: #112 Big Beautiful Door

Stock Market soared today while new unemployment claims fell to near historic lows. Yeah the economy isn’t perfect, but its continuing to make progress after the GOP drove it into the ditch.

And if they hadn’t obstructed everything for the last eight years, the recovery would have been seven years ago, and we’d be about ready for another recession they could blame the Democrats for. They just insist on cutting off their nose to spite their face.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:28:18pm

re: #112 Big Beautiful Door

Stock Market soared today while new unemployment claims fell to near historic lows. Yeah the economy isn’t perfect, but its continuing to make progress after the GOP drove it into the ditch.

It really is amazing what Obama has been able to accomplish despite a Congress filled with people who not only hate him for being a liberal Democrat but for being a successful black man.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:29:05pm

re: #115 ObserverArt

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:29:58pm

re: #106 HappyWarrior

Private prisons scare the shit out of me after watching that Kids for Cash documentary. It’s a good reminder to people who think the private sector can do ANYTHING better than the government. The idea of prisons for profit just makes me ill.

If you want an interesting read about the juvenile detention system, check out Burning Down The House by Nell Bernstein. The stories are pretty horrific/tragic, but she also talks about ways to improve the system and outcomes for kids. It’s insane how similar juvenile detention centers are to adult prisons, and in many cases, because the inmates are minors, they have even fewer rights than adults. It’s a pretty wrenching read I admit, but if you have interest in the topic it’s a good start.

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Belafon  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:30:20pm

re: #112 Big Beautiful Door

Stock Market soared today while new unemployment claims fell to near historic lows. Yeah the economy isn’t perfect, but its continuing to make progress after the GOP drove it into the ditch.

Not only did they drive it into the ditch, they have the accelerator pressed all the way down while the towtruck is pulling it out.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:30:49pm

re: #35 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

NRA radio host whitesplains the civil rights movement to civil rights legend Rep. John Lewis

Rod Dreher responding to a comment a few minutes ago:

JL says:
June 23, 2016 at 12:32 pm

Ah yes, John Lewis, SJW. Any relation to the John Lewis whose skull was fractured by Alabama state troopers on the Edmund Pettus Bridge?

[NFR: That courageous act does not justify and sanctify whatever John Lewis did and does for the rest of his life. Surely you know this. Surely. — RD]

Dreher then approves and publishes a comment from proto fascist M_Young right after that (all comments are screened by Dreher):

M_Young says:
June 23, 2016 at 12:40 pm

” Calling John Lewis an SJW is absurd.”

You’re right…he’s a washed up hack who has been dining out on getting knocked on the head for about half century too long.

Kindly fuck yourself with a rusty garden implement, Rod.

You too, Young.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:31:03pm

Sessions taking a victory lap in the Senate right now over SCOTUS’s immigration 4-4 opinion this morning.
And he is completely misrepresenting what happened.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:31:04pm

re: #113 HappyWarrior

We’re almost positive that my maternal grandfather’s mother was pregnant with my grandfather’s oldest brother when they came here from Slovenia in 1910. He’s someone that the GOP would call an anchor baby. He later served in WWII as did two of his other brothers and his youngest brother, my grandfather was in Korea. I defend today’s immigrants because I know even though it wasn’t always easy for my ancestors that emigrated that I want today’s immigrants to get the same respect mine got or if they didn’t get respect to get some much needed.

The reality is that for healthy economic growth we need immigrant labor because the American birth rate has dropped below the replacement level. Otherwise, we eventually become Japan, where the economy is shrinking because the number of adults in their prime is dropping while the elderly are an increasingly large percentage of the total population.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:31:12pm

re: #119 InfidelOfFreedom

If you want an interesting read about the juvenile detention system, check out Burning Down The House by Nell Bernstein. The stories are pretty horrific/tragic, but she also talks about ways to improve the system and outcomes for kids. It’s insane how similar juvenile detention centers are to adult prisons, and in many cases, because the inmates are minors, they have even fewer rights than adults. It’s a pretty wrenching read I admit, but if you have interest in the topic it’s a good start.

Thanks, will do.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:31:53pm

re: #106 HappyWarrior

Private prisons scare the shit out of me after watching that Kids for Cash documentary. It’s a good reminder to people who think the private sector can do ANYTHING better than the government. The idea of prisons for profit just makes me ill.

I was so angry I started crying when I watched that documentary.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:32:36pm

re: #123 Big Beautiful Door

The reality is that for healthy economic growth we need immigrant labor because the American birth rate has dropped below the replacement level. Otherwise, we eventually become Japan, where the economy is shrinking because the number of adults in their prime is dropping while the elderly are an increasingly large percentage of the total population.

Good point. Honestly, not only are these immigrants important to the economy, they’re also quite hard working too. My SiL’s older sister is an immigrant and just received her Masters from a very prestigious university.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:33:51pm

re: #125 Aunty Entity Dragon

I was so angry I started crying when I watched that documentary.

I wanted to punch Ciaravella and Conahan. Their attitudes man just disgusted me.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:34:43pm

re: #122 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sessions taking a victory lap in the Senate right now over SCOTUS’s immigration 4-4 opinion this morning.
And he is completely misrepresenting what happened.

Figures that this is Trump’s biggest Senate ally.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:36:34pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

Figures that this is Trump’s biggest Senate ally.

Sessions pretty much wrote Trump’s immigration “policy”.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:37:33pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sessions pretty much wrote Trump’s immigration “policy”.

Why does that not surprise me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:41:31pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:42:52pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He talks so much shit that it’s not even funny.

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SteelPH  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:43:33pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’ll report back right after he pulls it out of his ass.

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Frenchy  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:44:16pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

What a joke.

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Alephnaught  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:46:35pm

From a former World Universities Debating champion. Suspect this might be a troll.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:49:15pm

Trump doesn’t remember saying he has “one of the all time greatest memories”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:49:26pm

re: #113 HappyWarrior

We’re almost positive that my maternal grandfather’s mother was pregnant with my grandfather’s oldest brother when they came here from Slovenia in 1910. He’s someone that the GOP would call an anchor baby. He later served in WWII as did two of his other brothers and his youngest brother, my grandfather was in Korea. I defend today’s immigrants because I know even though it wasn’t always easy for my ancestors that emigrated that I want today’s immigrants to get the same respect mine got or if they didn’t get respect to get some much needed.

also when your and my ancestors came over, anybody who showed up at the golden door would be let in unless they had a disease

and of course unless they were coming from asia…

the strict limits on immigration weren’t put into place iirc until after wwi

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:50:52pm

re: #137 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

also when your and my ancestors came over, anybody who showed up at the golden door would be let in unless they had a disease

and of course unless they were coming from asia…

the strict limits on immigration weren’t put into place iirc until after wwi

And also for much of the history, there was no such thing as legal and illegal immigrant, there were just immigrants. But yeah there was racism as you get at too. It really is messed up to see people whose ancestors benefited from immigration trying to tell others they can’t enjoy it.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:51:24pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

I wanted to punch Ciaravella and Conahan. Their attitudes man just disgusted me.

This is a topic somewhat personal to me because my boyfriend spent about 7 years of his childhood in the Texas juvenile system. He was a runaway from an abusive home at age 14 and got picked up for shoplifting and other typical teenage runaway offenses. He still has huge scars from police beatings he suffered as a kid despite never committing a violent offense, and he’s lucky that he was never shot because there were times they threatened to shoot him if he did not stop running.

Until he started telling me the stories from his time in the Texas system, I had no idea how awful these child prisons are. I could write a very long post about this, but I’m at work at the moment so I can’t do it justice. I would also want to run it by him first, just as a courtesy, although he is pretty open to discussing it with most people now.

All I can say, is I feel his anger at the fact that the system didn’t care that he was abused, and in fact abused him even further, robbing him of a normal childhood and education. I’ll never understand how grown adults can treat children with such cruelty.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:51:54pm

re: #11 gocart mozart

So, I’m guessing you won’t mind when some ‘patriot’ shoots you dead, Rand? Because you are part of the government.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:52:05pm

Sessions says we have a surplus of labor in this country and family income is down, and it’s all because of excessive labor flow by illegal immigrants.

gaaaaaaahhhhhhh

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:53:41pm

re: #139 InfidelOfFreedom

This is a topic somewhat personal to me because my boyfriend spent about 7 years of his childhood in the Texas juvenile system. He was a runaway from an abusive home at age 14 and got picked up for shoplifting and other typical teenage runaway offenses. He still has huge scars from police beatings he suffered as a kid despite never committing a violent offense, and he’s lucky that he was never shot because there were times they threatened to shoot him if he did not stop running.

Until he started telling me the stories from his time in the Texas system, I had no idea how awful these child prisons are. I could write a very long post about this, but I’m at work at the moment so I can’t do it justice. I would also want to run it by him first, just as a courtesy, although he is pretty open to discussing it with most people now.

All I can say, is I feel his anger at the fact that the system didn’t care that he was abused, and in fact abused him even further, robbing him of a normal childhood and education. I’ll never understand how grown adults can treat children with such cruelty.

Terrible. He’s lucky to have survived. I’ll never get that either by the way how grown adults can be so cruel to children. There’s a fucked up mindset that exists in a sub-section of our society that demands punishment above all else. The way I look at prisons and jails is this, most of these people are going to be coming out eventually, we need to treat them like human beings and allow them to become functioning members of society and treating them horribly is no way to do that unfortunately a lot of people in charge don’t think like that.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:54:00pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

Session says we have a surplus of labor in this country and family income is down, and it’s all because of excessive labor flow by illegal immigrants.

gaaaaaaahhhhhhh

Fucking asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:54:18pm

re: #140 Romantic Heretic

So, I’m guessing you won’t mind when some ‘patriot’ shoots you dead, Rand? Because you are part of the government.

That’s different somehow.

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Frenchy  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:55:00pm

re: #140 Romantic Heretic

Rand isn’t doing any tyrannies so don’t shoot at him!

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Charles Johnson  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:56:32pm
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Belafon  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:56:58pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sessions says we have a surplus of labor in this country and family income is down, and it’s all because of excessive labor flow by illegal immigrants.

gaaaaaaahhhhhhh

Which is why Republicans want children to work.

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TK-421  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:58:22pm

Wisconsin legislator seeks triple damages at businesses that ban guns

A state lawmaker wants businesses that ban guns to be held strictly liable for any gun-related injury that might occur in their premises, and to pay triple damages.

The “Disarmed Citizen Compensation Act” is the brainchild of Rep. Bob Gannon (R-Slinger).

“This bill will give the citizens of Wisconsin a better chance of defending themselves and their loved ones against this scourge of terrorist activity,” Gannon said in a news release.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:58:23pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

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Yeah I don’t know what his point is supposed to be. But then again he’s a stupid hack.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:58:30pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:58:57pm

re: #148 TK-421

Wisconsin legislator seeks triple damages at businesses that ban guns

This is their problem right here. Not only do they want guns everywhere, they want to punish people who don’t share their gun fetishism.

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Kragar  Jun 23, 2016 • 1:59:04pm
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Bubblehead II  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:02:54pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

Session says we have a surplus of labor in this country and family income is down, and it’s all because of excessive labor flow by illegal immigrants.

gaaaaaaahhhhhhh

Maybe Jeff wants to ask Georgia and other States how they fared when they passed repressive immigration enforcement laws. Georgia lost $140 million in agricultural losses in 2011 due to crops rotting in the field because there was no one to pick them. Hell, iirc, even the prisoners offered the jobs either refused them or quit shortly after taking them.

The Law Of Unintended Consequences: Georgia’s Immigration Law Backfires

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:02:58pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:03:20pm

re: #136 The Vicious Babushka

Trump doesn’t remember saying he has “one of the all time greatest memories”

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:03:26pm

When all you have are misogynist racists, you make Misogynist Racist-ade.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:03:26pm

re: #142 HappyWarrior

Terrible. He’s lucky to have survived. I’ll never get that either by the way how grown adults can be so cruel to children. There’s a fucked up mindset that exists in a sub-section of our society that demands punishment above all else. The way I look at prisons and jails is this, most of these people are going to be coming out eventually, we need to treat them like human beings and allow them to become functioning members of society and treating them horribly is no way to do that unfortunately a lot of people in charge don’t think like that.

Indeed… He’s a bright and an ambitious guy who somehow managed to overcome all their bullshit and not end up in an adult prison or as a drug addict like many of his peers.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:05:09pm

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s gonna be close I bet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:06:18pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:07:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:09:41pm

re: #160 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Has Grandpa Winston’s quick wit.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:10:27pm

re: #158 HappyWarrior

It’s gonna be close I bet.

If the head of UKIP says ‘Leave’ lost, probably not.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:11:27pm

re: #160 Backwoods_Sleuth

BBC is saying first results expected around midnight, which will be around 7pm ET.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:11:51pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:14:37pm

re: #162 Blind Frog Belly White

If the head of UKIP says ‘Leave’ lost, probably not.

Yeah I wrote that before I saw Farrage’s comment. Good news.

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Alephnaught  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:18:53pm

Polls have closed in the Brexit vote, and on Sky News…..

Meanwhile, a Yougov poll of voters today (That, is, not an exit poll) says:

Maybe that tweet about Boris Johnson wasnt a troll after all…

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BeachDem  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:21:52pm

re: #102 ObserverArt

Getting bigger brings it’s issues. Cowtown no more!

As a matter of fact, I haven’t heard anyone say Cowtown for some time.

I can’t remember how long you have been away from the area, but I am willing to bet what you remember has already changed. You wouldn’t recognize the area between Dublin and Hilliard for one, and how far north Dublin goes now. Dublin..three counties…Franklin, Delware and Union.

I moved in 2003, but have been back many times since and mostly visited friends in Dublin, Worthington and Powell, so have seen much of it. (Not counting the month I was there working on a COTA project in 2010)

I was talking to somebody from Columbus last weekend and mentioned the time when pilots referred to it as “the all-American city with a hard-on” back when the Lincoln-Leveque was the only tall building downtown.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:22:27pm

Why is it breaking news that the polls closed? This was scheduled.

I just. Maybe this is too much logic.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:22:48pm

Sen Don Sullivan (R-Alaska) speaking now how our economy is in the crapper and he has an economic growth bar chart behind him that says the opposite.

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wrenchwench  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:22:54pm

I don’t know what he’s referring to in Austria. Could be this:

Recently one of the most prominent think tanks in Austria published its yearly opinion polls on the attitude of Austrian citizens towards the membership of Austria in the EU. The result was that 60% of the people want Austria to remain in the EU and 31% want the country to leave.
[…]

I DO know what he’s referring to in the USA.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:24:20pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

The chart says we not growing BIG enough!

O_o

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:25:15pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sen Don Sullivan (R-Alaska) speaking now how our economy is in the crapper and he has an economic growth bar chart behind him that says the opposite.

He didn’t have time to change the scale on the Y-axis to logarithmic before printing.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:25:57pm

re: #136 The Vicious Babushka

Haha this video.

Donald Trump: The world’s greatest memory.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:26:21pm

re: #171 wrenchwench

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I don’t know what he’s referring to in Austria. Could be this:

I DO know what he’s referring to in the USA.

I think it was the election they had in May where an ultra-right wing racist was thankfully defeated.

bbc.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:27:50pm

re: #173 Blind Frog Belly White

I notice that Sullivan isn’t mentioning all the things Congress has done to promote economic growth….
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wrenchwench  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:31:45pm

re: #175 InfidelOfFreedom

I think it was the election they had in May where an ultra-right wing racist was thankfully defeated.

bbc.com

Much more likely! Thanks.

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BeachDem  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:31:47pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

He talks so much shit that it’s not even funny.

And he repeats everything within the same sentence,, so it’s double the shit.

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gocart mozart  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:32:48pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

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Nojay UK  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:34:02pm

re: #167 Alephnaught

Polls have closed in the Brexit vote

We got called by the YouGov pollers about 7:00 p.m. here. The polling report (a PDF) says there were 4772 responses which is pretty high for a British poll — typical pre-referendum polls usually had about 1200 or so as a sample.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:34:04pm

Thank sweet baby jesus, UK. I wasn’t looking forward to terrifying international economic uncertainty making November even more stupid.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:35:02pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:36:25pm

re: #171 wrenchwench

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I don’t know what he’s referring to in Austria. Could be this:

I DO know what he’s referring to in the USA.

I think he means the Austrian presidential election not that long ago.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:37:39pm

hey Observer Art, good news for you!

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wrenchwench  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:38:03pm

I like Brian.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:40:46pm

heh

The Leave campaigners have been pushing a conspiracy theory all day telling voters to use a pen to mark their ballots instead of a pencil because “someone” would erase your penciled vote and change it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:41:48pm

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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The Leave campaigners have been pushing a conspiracy theory all day telling voters to use a pen to mark their ballots instead of a pencil because “someone” would erase your penciled vote and change it.

Now I’m imagining Alex Jones the British version where he’s ultra polite but still a nutjob.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:42:32pm

re: #179 gocart mozart

Everyone knows the temperature inside NEVER varies from the temperature outside. That’s just science, man!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:42:58pm
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Shimshon  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:44:22pm

Liberal media am I right guys??? guys???

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Jay C  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:45:33pm

re: #181 Testy Toad T

Thank sweet baby jesus, UK. I wasn’t looking forward to terrifying international economic uncertainty making November even more stupid.

Just the terrifying political uncertainty as usual, I’m sure November will be stupid enough as is…

Though whatever the final outcome of the “Brexit” referendum (and BBC is exit-polling (?) something like a 52-48 tilt towards “Remain” At this point [1h20m til results] ) the “Leave” vote is probably going to be too large to ignore. Just like the Scottish independence vote: a low-margin “victory” for one side, but not enough to kill the underlying issue (and still less the political dynamics pushing said issue), and making a satisfactory solution just that harder to craft.

On the positive side, whatever the results of the Brexit vote, CW says it’s probably that David Cameron will end up as damaged goods: on the not-so-positive side, it’s a big question who might replace him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:46:40pm
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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:46:54pm

Marine Corps misidentified in iconic image of flag raising on Iwo Jima.

The US Marine Corps admitted Thursday that one of the six men captured in the iconic image of the flag-raising atop Mount Suribachi on Iwo Jima in 1945 has been misidentified.

Pfc. Harold Schultz of Detroit was one of the Marines seen in Joe Rosenthal’s Pulitzer Prize-winning photograph — while Navy Corpsman John Bradley was not in the image at all, the Washington Post reported.

The man seen second from the left is Franklin Sousley, who has long been identified but placed in the wrong place, the inquiry led by a retired Marine general found.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:46:58pm

re: #187 HappyWarrior

Argument Clinic

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BeachDem  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:47:32pm

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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The Leave campaigners have been pushing a conspiracy theory all day telling voters to use a pen to mark their ballots instead of a pencil because “someone” would erase your penciled vote and change it.

The Clash - Should I Stay Or Should I Go - Lyrics

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Targetpractice  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:48:17pm

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

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You know how it goes, when they’re black it’s a terrible “accident.” Only when they’re white is it murder.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:48:32pm

re: #191 Jay C

Though whatever the final outcome of the “Brexit” referendum (and BBC is exit-polling (?) something like a 52-48 tilt towards “Remain” At this point [1h20m til results] ) the “Leave” vote is probably going to be too large to ignore. Just like the Scottish independence vote: a low-margin “victory” for one side, but not enough to kill the underlying issue (and still less the political dynamics pushing said issue), and making a satisfactory solution just that harder to craft.

I’m sort of hoping some other nation less economically consequential will actually exit the EU and see their GDP tank, just to demonstrate in clearer terms the folly of leaving the Eurozone.

Which makes me feel kinda icky, but holy shit, half of UK, you are so dumb, you are really really dumb, for real.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:49:50pm

re: #193 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Marine Corps misidentified in iconic image of flag raising on Iwo Jima.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:49:55pm

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

Can’t the department as a whole be sued at least? Freddie died in their custody due to their treatment of him. Period. Sigh. Tonight may get a little dicey there. But I really hope not.

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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:50:59pm

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:51:07pm

re: #199 GlutenFreeJesus

Can’t the department as a whole be sued at least? Freddie died in their custody due to their treatment of him. Period. Sigh. Tonight may get a little dicey there. But I really hope not.

Civil is easier than criminal. Man though what the hell. This shit is unreal but yeah no such thing as police brutality in this country.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:51:08pm

re: #191 Jay C

Labour needs to chuck Corbyn, first of all and find a not-loony socialist.

Corbyn promotes Homeopathy (He has actually said that he wants to look into it because India uses it!), and is very friendly to Putin.

Sound familiar?

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wrenchwench  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:52:26pm

That’s intensive gardening.

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gwangung  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:52:56pm

re: #199 GlutenFreeJesus

Can’t the department as a whole be sued at least? Freddie died in their custody due to their treatment of him. Period. Sigh. Tonight may get a little dicey there. But I really hope not.

Probably not. But this just confirms the distrust minority communities have of authority and government….

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Alephnaught  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:52:58pm

The Guardian live blog is quoting a Leave campaign source as saying Nigel Farage is “probably right”.

Meanwhile, on Twitter trend news….

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nines09  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:53:12pm

re: #174 GlutenFreeJesus

Haha this video.

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Video

Where did you get the tattoo? “I think, no I remember a bottle of Trump Vodka, maybe more, wait, a woman who claimed to be my new wife, I’m, uh….which tattoo?”

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KGxvi  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:53:17pm

re: #197 Testy Toad T

I’m sort of hoping some other nation less economically consequential will actually exit the EU and see their GDP tank, just to demonstrate in clearer terms the folly of leaving the Eurozone.

Which makes me feel kinda icky, but holy shit, half of UK, you are so dumb, you are really really dumb, for real.

You have to remember Britain has always had an uneasy relationship with the continent:

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Targetpractice  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:53:24pm

re: #199 GlutenFreeJesus

Can’t the department as a whole be sued at least? Freddie died in their custody due to their treatment of him. Period. Sigh. Tonight may get a little dicey there. But I really hope not.

The Gray family was cut a check by the city back in Sep, to much screeching by the local police union.

No, if there’s anybody talking about suing, it’s the wingnuts insisting the cops should sue Mosby, alleging malicious prosecution for simply doing her job rather than taking the BPD’s assessment that their cops are as pure as the driven snow.

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EPR-radar  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:54:06pm

re: #173 Blind Frog Belly White

He didn’t have time to change the scale on the Y-axis to logarithmic before printing.

That’s a category error. For a Republican, the economy is in the crapper because Obama is president. Charts and axes are irrelevant.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:54:35pm

re: #208 Targetpractice

The Gray family was cut a check by the city back in Sep, to much screeching by the local police union.

No, if there’s anybody talking about suing, it’s the wingnuts insisting the cops should sue Mosby, alleging malicious prosecution for simply doing her job rather than taking the BPD’s assessment that their cops are as pure as the driven snow.

I am honestly sick and tired of the police unions acting like any prosecution of cops is somehow rooted in anti-police mentality. They really think their officers should be above the law and it’s sickening.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:55:32pm

re: #202 Ziggy_TARDIS

He also has a history of being sympathetic to the IRA, making him a literal Terrorist Sympathizer.

In addition, he has talked about how he wants to weaken NATO, and that the Ukrainian Government is Fascist. He also has said that the Falklands should be given to Argentina.

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nines09  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:55:56pm

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Strange things go on in the back of police vans. We may never know just what goes on in the back of police vans. We hope you never find out what goes on in the back of police vans. Ever been in the back of a police van? No? Well we can never know what…..

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KGxvi  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:56:28pm

re: #199 GlutenFreeJesus

Can’t the department as a whole be sued at least? Freddie died in their custody due to their treatment of him. Period. Sigh. Tonight may get a little dicey there. But I really hope not.

The department can be sued. But civil liability and criminal liability are two different things. In civil court you only need a finding of a preponderance of the evidence; while in criminal court you need proof beyond a reasonable doubt. On top of that, in civil court, you’re likely looking at a cause of action for negligence - which just means the jury needs to find that a duty existed, that the defendant breached the duty, that the plaintiff was injured by said breach, and that damages resulted. That’s wholly different from a finding of first degree murder.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:56:46pm

re: #205 Alephnaught

Isn’t that Lady Penelope’s chauffeur? From “Thunderbirds”?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:57:45pm

Come to think of it, where are all these Anti-Science, Pro-Authoritarian Moonbats coming from?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:57:54pm

re: #201 HappyWarrior

Yeah. I mean the fucking driver of the van he was in got off totally free of charges. Bullshit.

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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:58:05pm

FWIW, if you look at the current year-over-year change in CO2 concentration, both in HI and globally:

esrl.noaa.gov

you can see the YoY change currently is higher than any previous full-year change since records start.

This is no doubt due to El Nino and the record warm years.

This could be indicators of a very serious trend.

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Alephnaught  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:58:40pm

re: #214 FormerDirtDart

Isn’t that Lady Penelope’s chauffeur? From “Thunderbirds”?

Yes, m’Lady.

\\\

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wrenchwench  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:59:09pm

[…]

In addition, the letter also makes alarming allegations that New Mexico’s Human Services Department (HSD) has a statewide practice of adding false asset information to SNAP casefiles in order to purposefully delay applications, which should have received expedited treatment, in order to prevent cases from appearing untimely in data reported USDA. If true, this practice could have hurt some of the most vulnerable families that urgently need assistance. It’s our understanding that last month, HSD employees testified in front of a federal Court that this type of misconduct has been occurring since 2003.

Those who didn’t take the fifth testified…

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EPR-radar  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:59:16pm

re: #197 Testy Toad T

I’m sort of hoping some other nation less economically consequential will actually exit the EU and see their GDP tank, just to demonstrate in clearer terms the folly of leaving the Eurozone.

Which makes me feel kinda icky, but holy shit, half of UK, you are so dumb, you are really really dumb, for real.

I can’t see a reason for Greece to stay in the Eurozone. If I understand it correctly, the current EU plan of record for Greece is pretending to deal with the problem by periodically restructuring a totally impossible debt burden. Meanwhile, austerity now and forever.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 2:59:39pm

re: #215 Ziggy_TARDIS

Come to think of it, where are all these Anti-Science, Pro-Authoritarian Moonbats coming from?

Labour’s always had that in their far left IIRC. Shrug, I can say in complete sincerity that I have no idea what party I’d align myself were if I were a Brit.

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Skip Intro  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:00:04pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:00:19pm

re: #208 Targetpractice

Screw the wingnuts.

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Alephnaught  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:00:23pm

Reaction to the BBC coverage from Twitter:

(It’s actually a clip from early 90s news parody “The Day Today”.)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:00:33pm

re: #222 Skip Intro

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Onion?

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KGxvi  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:01:24pm

re: #215 Ziggy_TARDIS

Come to think of it, where are all these Anti-Science, Pro-Authoritarian Moonbats coming from?

It’s easy to be pro-authoritarian when you’re the authority. And when you are convinced that you are right, and that the world would be better if everyone just did what you said, well, turns out fundamentalism is the same the world over.

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Skip Intro  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:01:35pm

re: #225 HappyWarrior

LA Times.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:01:51pm

re: #227 Skip Intro

LA Times.

Well done then LA Times.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:02:57pm

re: #226 KGxvi

It’s easy to be pro-authoritarian when you’re the authority. And when you are convinced that you are right, and that the world would be better if everyone just did what you said, well, turns out fundamentalism is the same the world over.

Well remember Cornyn’s party is the minority in Parliament right now. But I definitely agree with you about fundamentalism being the same type thing the world over.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:03:44pm

re: #221 HappyWarrior

I guess I consider myself a Nordic Mainline Socialist.

I belief that some industries should be state-owned, on the basis of efficiency and the public good. In addition, there should be a Robust Safety Net, High Immigration, and High Public Spending, with much higher taxes.

However, the Military should be well equipped, and Science should always be taken into account, which means things like Homeopathy and Ayurvedic Medicine should be banned.

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EPR-radar  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:05:00pm

re: #219 wrenchwench

This is how government is supposed to be run, according to Republicans. And Gov. Martinez (R) is supposed to be one of the ‘good ones’. To hell with that. There are no good Republicans in office.

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BeachDem  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:05:00pm

Not a fan of this upcoming event. Wish Hillary would say, “Thanks, but no thanks.”

Report: Prominent NeoCon Robert Kagan To Headline Fundraiser For Clinton

talkingpointsmemo.com

If these people want to endorse Hillary as a slam to Trump, that’s fine—but I would draw the line at having them be front and center at fundraisers. Sigh.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:05:02pm

I do also believe there should be some sort of mandatory national service.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:05:06pm

re: #150 Backwoods_Sleuth

10th person with Zika confirmed in Dallas County, but there could be 10 more cases

Expect the GOP to blockade or drag their feet on Zika even more than on gun control because

Abortion demand ‘soars’ amid Zika fear

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:05:34pm

re: #230 Ziggy_TARDIS

I guess I consider myself a Nordic Mainline Socialist.

I belief that some industries should be state-owned, on the basis of efficiency and the public good. In addition, there should be a Robust Safety Net, High Immigration, and High Public Spending, with much higher taxes.

However, the Military should be well equipped, and Science should always be taken into account, which means things like Homeopathy and Ayurvedic Medicine should be banned.

I know my ideology, I just don’t know how my ideology translates to Europe. Thing is though Re: Labour, whether you like it or not, they did choose Cornyn to be their leader and they’re going to sink or swim with him because of their choice as a party.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:05:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:06:01pm

re: #232 BeachDem

Not a fan of this upcoming event. Wish Hillary would say, “Thanks, but no thanks.”

Report: Prominent NeoCon Robert Kagan To Headline Fundraiser For Clinton

talkingpointsmemo.com

If these people want to endorse Hillary as a slam to Trump, that’s fine—but I would draw the line at having them be front and center at fundraisers. Sigh.

Agree with you and it’s fuel to the idiot BBs.

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Alephnaught  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:06:10pm

More not-quite-exit polls coming out:

That’s not far from the margin in the Scots IndyRef vote (55 against, 45 for).

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CuriousLurker  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:07:06pm

I can’t help but wonder if the brutal murder of MP Jo Cox caused some people to decide they didn’t want any part of the right-wing nationalist crap. That’s the kind of thing you expect to hear about from some other more tumultuous place, not England.

It was really horrible & bizarre. I suspect the guy who assassinated her is much more like the supposedly violent foreigners he was railing against than he imagines. It immediately made me think of how Theo van Gogh was murdered in the street in the Netherlands since he was also shot & stabbed in broad daylight. The killers may have had different motives, but the outcome was the same.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:08:01pm

re: #239 CuriousLurker

I can’t help but wonder if the brutal murder of MP Jo Cox caused some people to decide they didn’t want any part of the right-wing nationalist crap. That’s the kind of crap you expect to hear about from some other more tumultuous place, not England.

It was really horrible & bizarre. I suspect the guy who assassinated her is much more like the supposedly violent foreigners he was railing against than he imagines. It immediately made me think of how Theo van Gogh was murdered in the street in the Netherlands since he was also shot & stabbed in broad daylight. The killers may have had different motives, but the outcome was the same.

It wouldn’t shock me if that was the case.

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wrenchwench  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:08:18pm

re: #231 EPR-radar

This is how government is supposed to be run, according to Republicans. And Gov. Martinez (R) is supposed to be one of the ‘good ones’. To hell with that. There are no good Republicans in office.

I was surprised that Republican Congressman Steve Pearce went along with this call for a federal investigation. In other news. he praised the Supreme Court’s 4-4 non-decision on DACA. He’s a jerk. As is Martinez.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:09:01pm

:D

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:09:03pm

Has anyone heard more about the incident in Germany? Not a whole lot of info right now.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:09:52pm

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

:D

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My niece loves our dogs.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:10:22pm

Looks like the New York Daily News has picked up the Domestic Terrorist Commander Keebler story.
Unfortunately, the word “terrorist” isn’t mentioned…

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:14:32pm

re: #239 CuriousLurker

I can’t help but wonder if the brutal murder of MP Jo Cox caused some people to decide they didn’t want any part of the right-wing nationalist crap. That’s the kind of crap you expect to hear about from some other more tumultuous place, not England.

What a heartbreaking sacrifice to have made.

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KGxvi  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:14:36pm

re: #236 FormerDirtDart

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I’ve got to think having that many initiatives on the ballot means a whole lot of things that probably should pass will not pass. There is a not small part of me that wishes we could scale back the referendum/initiative system out here.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:15:25pm
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Jay C  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:15:29pm

re: #239 CuriousLurker

I can’t help but wonder if the brutal murder of MP Jo Cox caused some people to decide they didn’t want any part of the right-wing nationalist crap. That’s the kind of crap you expect to hear about from some other more tumultuous place, not England.

It was really horrible & bizarre. I suspect the guy who assassinated her is much more like the supposedly violent foreigners he was railing against than he imagines. It immediately made me think of how Theo van Gogh was murdered in the street in the Netherlands since he was also shot & stabbed in broad daylight. The killers may have had different motives, but the outcome was the same.

I thought the same: political violence of that sort (except when sourced back to anyone or anything Irish) is pretty rare in the UK - I think that brutal murder really did influence some fence-sitters - away from wanted to (or seeming to) empower the more-thuggish segments of the nationalist fringe. As long as the killer was English, anyway: had Jo Cox been done in, like Theo Van Gogh, by some aggrieved Muslim, the reaction might, I think, been quite different.
As it was, I think it was a Muslim (?) who tried to save Ms. Cox, at the cost of a stab wound to himself - so much for stereotypes.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:15:53pm

re: #230 Ziggy_TARDIS

I guess I consider myself a Nordic Mainline Socialist.

I belief that some industries should be state-owned, on the basis of efficiency and the public good. In addition, there should be a Robust Safety Net, High Immigration, and High Public Spending, with much higher taxes.

However, the Military should be well equipped, and Science should always be taken into account, which means things like Homeopathy and Ayurvedic Medicine should be banned.

i wonder how much support i’d get for calling for privatizing the armed forces and requiring soldiers to be hired fron mercenary companies. mercenaries were actually hired as part of the allied forces in iraq…

how does this sound:

End The Socialist Army!

all mercenary force now

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:15:54pm

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

Make a decision, damnit!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:15:59pm

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I guess this is the British Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:16:58pm

re: #250 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i wonder how much support i’d get for calling for privatizing the armed forces and requiring soldiers to be hired fron mercenary companies. mercenaries were actually hired as part of the allied forces in iraq…

how does this sound:

End The Socialist Army!

all mercenary force now

Talked about private prisons earlier. Private militaries are even more scary.

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ObserverArt  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:17:07pm

re: #164 goddamnedfrank

Putain Démocratique @goddamnedfrank
How fucking badly does @CNN need to sell the horserace narrative for ratings & cash that they’d hire a guy who legally CAN’T tell the truth.
5:11 PM - 23 Jun 2016
6 6 Retweets 4 4 likes

Anymore this presents no problem for TV “news” media. They really don’t tell the truth all that often, they dance around it so as to not upset anyone with the actual factual truth.

But he would be much better at FOX News. They have no idea what the truth is at all. It’s a business model!

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EPR-radar  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:17:21pm

re: #247 KGxvi

I’ve got to think having that many initiatives on the ballot means a whole lot of things that probably should pass will not pass. There is a not small part of me that wishes we could scale back the referendum/initiative system out here.

I think the worst thing about the CA initiative system are the bond measures. Anything that is costly and can get votes gets dumped onto the ballot, and if passed locks down that part of the state budget for years on end.

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nines09  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:17:30pm

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I never did a page on this where I could go back and walk you through it. But I did comment on this a bit back when the story broke. It’s real. It happens. And it’s never stopped. That the driver was cleared, that should be the pin dropped that makes the sound of a car crash. The driver of the Nickel Ride is the person who does the damage taking directions from his “partner” who directs the action. Vans, Paddy Wagons, whatever you call them use two officers. One cannot be culpable while the other is in the execution of a Nickel Ride. Teamwork. Nicel Rides

Philly was notorious for Nickel Rides

I got a few. I was lucky. Just torn up leather coat and stitches.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:18:07pm

re: #252 HappyWarrior

I guess this is the British Trump.

We know he’s not the British Bernie since he actually does seem capable of conceding at least once. (Sorry Berniacs.)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:18:29pm

re: #257 InfidelOfFreedom

We know he’s not the British Bernie since he actually does seem capable of conceding at least once. (Sorry Berniacs.)

Ouch.

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unproven innocence  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:19:05pm

re: #251 Ziggy_TARDIS

Make a decision, damnit!

It looks like he was doing just that, but couldn’t stop.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:19:20pm

Starting to see this on Twitter. It’s false, in case you see it spreading around.

Representative Honda’s response is on Facebook but I can’t get it to embed.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:19:51pm

re: #257 InfidelOfFreedom

re: #258 HappyWarrior

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:20:42pm

re: #260 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Starting to see this on Twitter. It’s false, in case you see it spreading around.

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Representative Honda’s response:

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Good to know.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:21:27pm

re: #261 Ziggy_TARDIS

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As the Brits say… “aloe aloe!”

(I’m not proud of this.)

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Alephnaught  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:22:38pm

Stuart Campbell, editor of strident pro- Independence for Scotland website Wings Over Scotland is pointing to a tweet by The Telegraph’s leader writer, implying that he thinks it will be the kind of excuse that Leave will use of the indications are correct, and voting doesn’t go their way.

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EPR-radar  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:23:21pm

re: #260 klys (maker of Silmarils)

This looks like an attempted ratfucking of Representative Honda (D).

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:24:06pm

re: #265 EPR-radar

This looks like an attempted ratfucking of Representative Honda (D).

That’s what I was thinking too. Honda is a staunch progressive IIRC. Really fucked up.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:24:21pm

re: #265 EPR-radar

This looks like an attempted ratfucking of Representative Honda (D).

Yep. Apparently originated on a support page for the Turner family. One clue was the reference to Senator Honda, since he hasn’t been in the state senate since 2013.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:25:20pm

re: #264 Alephnaught

That damn ESTABLISHMENT strikes again! It’s almost as if people don’t just want change for the sake of change.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:25:27pm

re: #267 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Yep. Apparently originated on a support page for the Turner family. One clue was the reference to Senator Honda, since he hasn’t been in the state senate since 2013.

That was my first clue too. I’ve heard of Rep Honda before so I know it was bs.

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EPR-radar  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:25:42pm

re: #264 Alephnaught

If you can keep 45% or so together on a political issue long enough, you’re eventually likely to win just because of random factors in elections. That’s why the Republican floor of 40+% is dangerous.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:26:39pm

re: #270 EPR-radar

If you can keep 45% or so together on a political issue long enough, you’re eventually likely to win just because of random factors in elections. That’s why the Republican floor of 40+% is dangerous.

What I’m honestly terrified of happening in 2020 is the American people deciding that the Republicans “deserve” a chance at the WH after 12 years of Democrats in the WH. Add to the fact that it’s a census year and agh.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:27:48pm

re: #271 HappyWarrior

However, that only works with one demographic.

One shrinking demographic.

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EPR-radar  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:27:52pm

re: #267 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Yep. Apparently originated on a support page for the Turner family. One clue was the reference to Senator Honda, since he hasn’t been in the state senate since 2013.

Gah. I know the internet has all things in it, but this is a new low of what I’m personally aware of.

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MsJ  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:28:35pm

re: #264 Alephnaught

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KGxvi  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:28:36pm

re: #255 EPR-radar

Welcome to the US, where the double standard for terrorism has never been more obvious. RWNJs

I think the worst thing about the CA initiative system are the bond measures. Anything that is costly and can get votes gets dumped onto the ballot, and if passed locks down that part of the state budget for years on end.

The bond stuff is a pain in the ass (and I tend to always vote against them). But here’s what’s on the ballot so far:

Link 1
Link 2

In November we’ve got: gun control; repeal of the death penalty; increasing the minimum wage (to $15 by 2021); requiring condoms in adult films (no, really); overturning a ban on single use plastic bags; a couple of bond measures; and a couple of measures that have something to do with hospitals and prescription drugs.

And there’s another 8 measures that are in the process of having signatures verified. Among them is weed legalization.

It almost makes me wonder why we bother having a full time Legislature (or one at all).

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:29:42pm

re: #272 Ziggy_TARDIS

However, that only works with one demographic.

One shrinking demographic.

True, very true.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:29:45pm

It’s Obama’s fault, you know………………

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:29:51pm

re: #253 HappyWarrior

Talked about private prisons earlier. Private militaries are even more scary.

indeed

i want to make wingnuts face up to one of the biggest government owned and operated parts of the economy of all

i find many of them had no notion that armed forces could ever be privatised and therefore are in the u.s., basically, socialized

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EPR-radar  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:29:52pm

re: #271 HappyWarrior

What I’m honestly terrified of happening in 2020 is the American people deciding that the Republicans “deserve” a chance at the WH after 12 years of Democrats in the WH. Add to the fact that it’s a census year and agh.

I’m right there with you. Although we can’t predict the precise ways in which the GOP of 2020 will be a cesspit of Satan, we can be certain that it will be worse in 2020 than it is in 2016.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:29:59pm

OT US Rep Chaka Fattah is resigning after 21 years in office. This is effective immediately. Here is the link to the story at WHYY/Newsworks.

newsworks.org

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:30:47pm

re: #279 EPR-radar

I’m right there with you. Although we can’t predict the precise ways in which the GOP of 2020 will be a cesspit of Satan, we can be certain that it will be worse in 2020 than it is in 2016.

Cruz if Trump fails will be in prime position to run as the next one up and Cruz unlike Trump actually has a lot of positions that resonate with the base that are more than just xenophobia.

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MsJ  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:31:02pm

re: #270 EPR-radar

If you can keep 45% or so together on a political issue long enough, you’re eventually likely to win just because of random factors in elections. That’s why the Republican floor of 40+% is dangerous.

Didn’t work out too well for the Qubecquois (sic). And they lost won twice. Now they’ve gone from hero to virtually zero.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:31:04pm

re: #275 KGxvi

It really is too easy to put stuff on the ballot here.

Like.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too easy.

Sigh.

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ObserverArt  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:32:35pm

re: #184 Backwoods_Sleuth

hey Observer Art, good news for you!

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Yeah…caught that on the news.

I did hear some other goods news for Columbus. Looks like we won a big grant for being a City of the Future from the DOT.

Thanks Obama!

techcrunch.com - Columbus, Ohio officially winner of DOT Smart City Challenge and $140 million in innovation grants

With the Columbus Dispatch (and many possible runner-up cities) reporting two days ago that Columbus was the winner of the U.S. Department of Transportation’s Smart City Challenge, official word was silent until this afternoon.

Today in Columbus, U.S. Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx officially recognized and announced — to a full house at the Douglas Community Center in the neighborhood of Linden — that the city is indeed the winner and will reap the benefits of victory; a $40 million grant from the DOT, $10 from Paul Allen’s Vulcan Inc., plus $90 million in local matching contributions.

Of the 78 cities that applied for the challenge, the seven finalist cities that Columbus bested were Austin, Denver, Kansas City, Pittsburgh, Portland and San Francisco.

Plans for the grants will include:

- Autonomous vehicles
- Battery research
- Electric charging stations throughout the city
- 13,000 busses and cars to be connected with vehicle-to-vehicle communications
- Three electric self-driving shuttles to connect residents for jobs

…and more.

Foxx also shared feedback and details about how Columbus’s vision for transportation innovation stood out from the other cities that participated. He noted the creativity and comprehensiveness of the proposal, even describing how the city’s transportation solution could solve for infant mortality.

He went on to say:

“One of the issues that pre-existed this challenge and was concerning this community for quite some time is the fact that, in this area, the infant mortality rate is four times the national average. Rather than de-link this challenge from that challenge, what Columbus did was say ‘how can innovation help us solve that [infant mortality] challenge.’ And so one aspect of the proposal that you will now deploy in this community is linking the communities that are struggling most with infant mortality so that a mom who is trying to get to the doctor’s office has a transportation system that will connect to the doctor’s office, schedule the trip, and make sure she gets to the doctor. That’s pretty phenomenal thinking to solve a problem you have and that you want to see improve. Congratulations Columbus.”

Update:

I inquired with the City of Columbus for specifics on where startups factor in with this funding and innovation planning. I heard back from Alex Fischer, president and CEO, Columbus Partnership, with a statement:

“Current startup activity in Columbus is unprecedented. Last year, the Kauffman Foundation ranked Columbus the country’s fastest-growing city for startup activity and earlier this month, the Foundation found that Columbus is the number one city for startups to go to scale. We have a long history of great entrepreneurs who have built great companies in our community, and startups will certainly play a role in making Columbus into an even smarter Columbus.

Winning this grant will help us launch the next generation of entrepreneurs and accelerate the growth of startups. For instance, the City of Columbus is looking to partner with Mass Factory to deploy a customized application developed in Barcelona to assist persons with disabilities to utilize public transportation in Columbus.

We are very open to innovation and welcome opportunities to partner with cutting edge technology startups to achieve the goals of our Smart Columbus program from wherever they are in the world.”

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EPR-radar  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:32:35pm

re: #282 MsJ

Didn’t work out too well for the Qubecquois (sic). And they lost won twice. Now they’ve gone from hero to virtually zero.

Now there’s a trajectory I’d like to see the Republicans follow.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:33:23pm

re: #278 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

indeed

i want to make wingnuts face up to one of the biggest government owned and operated parts of the economy of all

i find many of them had no notion that armed forces could ever be privatised and therefore are in the u.s., basically, socialized

Spot on, what honestly gets me about wingnuts is how they hate on government workers even though the military are government workers too and furthermore a lot of civilian government workers are veterans. I worked with quite a few vets during my time at the federal government and I know that a lot of federal job seekers are vets.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:34:15pm

re: #285 EPR-radar

Now there’s a trajectory I’d like to see the Republicans follow.

I’d like to see them go the way of the Whigs and Federalists. There’s so much wrong with the Republican Party that it needs to die a painful death.

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ObserverArt  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:35:04pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stats Britain @StatsBritain
The average Briton has already drank 13 cups of tea since the polls closed.
5:28 PM - 23 Jun 2016
82 82 Retweets 167 167 likes

And already visited the old ‘john’ 5 times in that same span.

(caffeine…)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:35:20pm

re: #284 ObserverArt

yep. Sherrod was talking about the grant earlier this afternoon on the Senate floor.

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KGxvi  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:37:16pm

re: #281 HappyWarrior

Cruz if Trump fails will be in prime position to run as the next one up and Cruz unlike Trump actually has a lot of positions that resonate with the base that are more than just xenophobia.

Cruz and Rubio will probably be front runners in 2020 on the GOP side. Possibly Kaisch. But looking at the Senate and current governors, I’m not sure who else could realistically run. Then again, I don’t know much about most of the governors in fly over country, so maybe there’s someone there?

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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:37:17pm

re: #275 KGxvi

The bond stuff is a pain in the ass (and I tend to always vote against them). But here’s what’s on the ballot so far:

Link 1
Link 2

In November we’ve got: […] requiring condoms in adult films (no, really);

I like the part that states:

Permits state, performers, or any state resident to enforce violations.

So I guess I’ll just have to run onto the set of my local porn producers and say that I’m just there to inspect their adherence to the law…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:37:43pm

The problem with the Republican Party is instead of adapting with the times has instead chose to go with a xenophobic asshole who was once sued for racial discrimination in housing as its standard bearer. Its runner up, Ted Cruz, the oldest forty five year old man you’ll meet, and then there’s John Kasich who has an actual record of signing and enforcing homophobic and sexist crap as Ohio’s governor.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:38:39pm

re: #290 KGxvi

Cruz and Rubio will probably be front runners in 2020 on the GOP side. Possibly Kaisch. But looking at the Senate and current governors, I’m not sure who else could realistically run. Then again, I don’t know much about most of the governors in fly over country, so maybe there’s someone there?

I think Rubio it depends on what happens in his re-election. A lot can change though. I really doubt we saw Trump becoming the GOP favorite four years ago. All bets are off at this election IMO.

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lawhawk  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:39:38pm

Tip of the iceberg?

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KGxvi  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:39:40pm

re: #291 freetoken

I like the part that states:

So I guess I’ll just have to run onto the set of my local porn producers and say that I’m just there to inspect their adherence to the law…

Gives a whole new meaning to “private attorney general action.”

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EPR-radar  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:40:02pm

re: #287 HappyWarrior

I’d like to see them go the way of the Whigs and Federalists. There’s so much wrong with the Republican Party that it needs to die a painful death.

The GOP is in real trouble at the moment, but the fundamental basis for its coalition isn’t going to disappear any time soon. Even if Trump appears to blow the party to smithereens in the 2016 presidential election, it will be business as usual in 2018.

GOP oligarchs have become accustomed to getting easy votes by stoking resentments among the GOP base. They aren’t going to change to a less pernicious political model unless forced to by overwhelming losses at local, state and national levels.

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Brian J.  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:40:12pm

First votes in for the EU Referendum, from Gibraltar. Remain 19,322, Leave 823. Of course, Gibraltar was expected to vote heavily for Remain.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:40:58pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:41:02pm

re: #294 lawhawk

Quite Possibly.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:41:15pm

re: #297 Brian J.

Yeah, life gets real difficult if the UK leaves the EU.

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ObserverArt  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:41:20pm

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stephen King ✔ @StephenKing
Gee, looks like NOBODY killed Freddie Gray. Guess he just died of being black. Funny how that happens in this country.
5:45 PM - 23 Jun 2016
853 853 Retweets 1,297 1,297 likes

I’m really growing to like Stephen King. He seems to have gotten very tired of the BS in politics and is not holding back his opinions. I’ve never been big on his books, not my usual reading, but admire his talents. Now I admire him even more.

I do note, I never really see him on TV expressing the same? Has anyone?

I wonder if he is a little too opinionated to be asked his opinion. And maybe those opinions are not the right opinions.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:41:43pm

re: #291 freetoken

I like the part that states:

So I guess I’ll just have to run onto the set of my local porn producers and say that I’m just there to inspect their adherence to the law…

In all seriousness, I thought there was already a law about this? For some reason I remember hearing that many porn producers moved their projects to Florida as a result.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:41:51pm

re: #294 lawhawk

I’m guessing the results in Scotland and Northern Ireland will look similar.

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Jay C  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:41:52pm

re: #264 Alephnaught

Stuart Campbell, editor of strident pro- Independence for Scotland website Wings Over Scotland is pointing to a tweet by The Telegraph’s leader writer, implying that he thinks it will be the kind of excuse that Leave will use of the indications are correct, and voting doesn’t go their way.

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Disregarding the odor of turd-polish for the moment, he (Tim Stanley) isn’t completely wrong though: even a 55-45% defeat would still show enough support for the “Euroskeptics” - and of course, their ruder mates in the UKIP and the violent fringe - to be a near-permanent sore spot for British Governments (whatever party leads them). To be honest, when nationalistic passions (and/or hates, YMMV) get stirred , little short of an unambiguous blowout in a referendum such as this (say 67-33%) is really going to discourage anyone from pushing the issue. 52-48 isn’t that huge a mandate….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:42:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:44:16pm
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Danack  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:44:53pm

re: #264 Alephnaught

Stuart Campbell,

Please don’t link to Stuart Campbell.

ahdinnaeken.wordpress.com

Reverend Stuart Campbell, editor of Wings Over Scotland subjected Cara Kulwicki - editor of The Curvature, an American blog dedicated to feminism - to a sustained and deeply unpleasant personal attack for speaking out against rape apologism.

Ms Kulwicki, who had been traumatised by a serious sexual assault in her past, was told by Rev Campbell: “It’s unfortunate when the people brave enough to speak out against unacceptable behaviour are also so pathologically stupid that it serves only to completely undermine their cause.”

ahdinnaeken.wordpress.com

A NOTORIOUS cybernat threatened amateur copyright investigators with extreme violence after they exposed his dodgy internet dealings in the late 90s, it has been revealed.

Stuart Campbell, 48, warned have a go sleuths Damien Burke and friends: “if I find any of you outside my door, be warned that I’ll smash your heads off the railings first and ask questions later.”

He is a thoroughly unpleasant character and has been for the last 30 years.

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KGxvi  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:45:10pm

re: #302 InfidelOfFreedom

In all seriousness, I thought there was already a law about this? For some reason I remember hearing that many porn producers moved their projects to Florida as a result.

LA County passed a local ordinance a few years ago, I believe. Which drove many producers from the Valley to other places. But this would be state wide.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:45:19pm

re: #306 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m guessing that’s why he wasn’t in the Senate today for the gun amendment votes.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:46:10pm

re: #153 Bubblehead II

Maybe Jeff wants to ask Georgia and other States how they fared when they passed repressive immigration enforcement laws. Georgia lost $140 million in agricultural losses in 2011 due to crops rotting in the field because there was no one to pick them. Hell, iirc, even the prisoners offered the jobs either refused them or quit shortly after taking them.

The Law Of Unintended Consequences: Georgia’s Immigration Law Backfires

As usual, GOP economic theories are completely wrong.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:46:17pm

re: #308 KGxvi

LA County passed a local ordinance a few years ago, I believe. Which drove many producers from the Valley to other places. But this would be state wide.

Thanks!

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Great White Snark  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:46:23pm

re: #295 KGxvi

Gives a whole new meaning to “private attorney general action.”

Hey I thought OSHA already had that “covered”
// ducks and runs

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:48:55pm

re: #171 wrenchwench

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I don’t know what he’s referring to in Austria. Could be this:

I DO know what he’s referring to in the USA.

A fascist was almost elected President of Austria a few weeks ago.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:49:38pm
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EPR-radar  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:49:42pm

re: #310 Big Beautiful Door

As usual, GOP economic theories are completely wrong.

True. On the other hand, I find it difficult to believe that the going rates for agricultural labor in the US are acceptable, especially when the quasi-legal status of the workers lets employers pay less than the already inadequate minimum wage.

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lawhawk  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:52:21pm

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hood, not fedora.

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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:52:45pm

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

Drudge is essentially racist.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:53:23pm

re: #306 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And where do we go from here?
Which is a way that’s clear?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:54:01pm

on Brexit:

heh.

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unproven innocence  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:54:05pm

re: #291 freetoken

I like the part that states:

So I guess I’ll just have to run onto the set of my local porn producers and say that I’m just there to inspect their adherence to the law…

Might want to check first if that law also requires condoms for fluffers.

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wrenchwench  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:54:55pm

re: #306 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Bernie Sanders just announced an event in NY tomorrow titled “Where We Go From Here”]

Featuring these guys?

Where do we go from here / The Trammps on soul train

Probably not.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:55:10pm

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“A new study reveals that over 50% of Americans are in the majority, while less than 50% are in the minority. More on this story as it develops….”

—Kevin Nealon, Weekend Update

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Nojay UK  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:55:20pm

re: #315 EPR-radar

True. On the other hand, I find it difficult to believe that the going rates for agricultural labor in the US are acceptable, especially when the quasi-legal status of the workers lets employers pay less than the already inadequate minimum wage.

The usual deal for harvesting a crop is for the farmer to pay a gang boss to do the job, a few thousand bucks typically for a field of, say, lettuce. The boss turns up with a couple of trucks full of workers, the field gets picked and packed and the workers go away again. SS, withholding etc. are the gang boss’s problem as the contractor. The workers might only get three or four bucks an hour for their labour, cash in hand.

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lawhawk  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:55:30pm

re: #317 freetoken

Dog whistle central. Conspiracy theory confluence. Right wing nut exchange. Nexus of nastiness.

Trump has mainstreamed the hate, which has been bubbling over at Drudge for years.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:56:36pm

re: #322 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

“Anew study reveals that over 50% of Americans are in the majority, while less than 50% are in the minority. More on this story as it develops….”

—Kevin Nealon, Weekend Update

“The First Rule of Tautology Club is the First Rule of Tautology Club!”

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VaughnIAM  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:57:02pm

re: #110 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

my grandfather came over from poland (in the czarist empire at the time) in 1890 when he was four. eventually he had a career as a surgeon

when he died it came out that he had never been naturalized. his father had been naturalized and his son was born in the u.s.

yes, my grandfather the doctor was an illegal alien. if he was alive today trump would want to deport him

he would be among the people protected by the bill that was rejected today

If your grandfather’s father became a naturalized citizen before your grandfather turned 16 he would have automatically been granted citizenship according to the naturalization laws back then.

Today the only difference in the law is that the child’s age has been changed to 18.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:57:35pm

Hillary is responsible for “all over Europe”? *FACE PALM*

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ObserverArt  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:57:59pm

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

:D

The Cult Cat @Elverojaguar
🐾😺🐾😻🎈😽❤️ Artist Duo … pic.twitter.com
6:02 PM - 23 Jun 2016
47 47 Retweets 69 69 likes

Natural bristle brush, self replacing natural bristles!

What’s not to love there?

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lawhawk  Jun 23, 2016 • 3:58:24pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:01:26pm

re: #220 EPR-radar

I can’t see a reason for Greece to stay in the Eurozone. If I understand it correctly, the current EU plan of record for Greece is pretending to deal with the problem by periodically restructuring a totally impossible debt burden. Meanwhile, austerity now and forever.

The reason they stay in is that they would be even more totally screwed if they left. The most sensible thing to do would be to forgive most of the debt and kick Greece out of the Eurozone.

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lawhawk  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:01:39pm

re: #327 The Vicious Babushka

Don’t you know, that’s why Trump’s searching for votes and support in Scotland. At his golf courses. Because he’s for the common man. Who he wont hire to make his clothes here in the US, but rather in Mexico and China, but damn those Chinese for getting the better of us in trade talks, and he’s such a great negotiator who always wins, except for those times where he lost big and got others to pay for his mistakes.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:02:00pm

“Only a million here, a million there…very, very small amounts”

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Brian J.  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:02:19pm

Newcastle is the second area to report, voting 51-49% for Remain. Generally expected to be more weakly for Remain than expected.

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Skip Intro  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:02:49pm

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

Campaign expense. He won’t pay it but he’ll write it off anyway.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:02:54pm

re: #327 The Vicious Babushka

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I learn so much from Trump… Like, I never knew that the Secretary of State was in charge of Europe.

/s

Seriously I feel like every time I read one of his idiotic statements, my brain punches the inside of my skull.

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Great White Snark  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:03:08pm

Just for a chuckle..

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BeachDem  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:03:16pm

re: #306 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yep—and Briggs made it clear yesterday that it would NOT include a concession. Here’s hoping the Brexit news overshadows any coverage of this ego-driven spectacle tonight.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:03:52pm

re: #333 Brian J.

Newcastle is the second area to report, voting 51-49% for Remain. Generally expected to be more weakly for Remain than expected.

What? Did you mean ‘expected to be more weakly for Remain than observed?

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:04:01pm

re: #336 Great White Snark

lol

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Targetpractice  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:04:43pm

re: #337 BeachDem

Yep—and Briggs made it clear yesterday that it would NOT include a concession. Here’s hoping the Brexit news overshadows any coverage of this ego-driven spectacle tonight.

So, it’s basically just another round of Bernie jumping up and down while screaming “LOOK AT ME!!!”

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Skip Intro  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:04:45pm

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

Drudge and Jim Hoft have to figure out a way to breed to counter this.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:04:57pm

re: #327 The Vicious Babushka

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:05:18pm

re: #336 Great White Snark

Just for a chuckle..

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Can I find that in the Self(ie) Improvement Section?

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Brian J.  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:05:41pm

re: #338 Blind Frog Belly White

What? Did you mean ‘expected to be more weakly for Remain than observed?

I meant “was more weakly for Remain than expected,” I think. The vote was expected to be closer to 60% for Remain, according to the BBC. Sorry.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:06:34pm

re: #342 GlutenFreeJesus

It’s only fair that if we get El Chapo, they get El Trumpo.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:08:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:09:07pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:09:22pm

re: #271 HappyWarrior

What I’m honestly terrified of happening in 2020 is the American people deciding that the Republicans “deserve” a chance at the WH after 12 years of Democrats in the WH. Add to the fact that it’s a census year and agh.

There is no evidence that that actually happens. There simply haven’t been enough presidential elections for a statistically significant database.

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EPR-radar  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:10:42pm

re: #335 InfidelOfFreedom

I learn so much from Trump… Like, I never knew that the Secretary of State was in charge of Europe.

/s

Seriously I feel like every time I read one of his idiotic statements, my brain punches the inside of my skull.

The Trump Decoder ring for this particular bit of gibberish is simple enough. It’s an article of RWNJ faith that Europe is already doomed because of immigration (‘great migration’ in the word salad) and that the US needs to do everything it can to avoid this fate.

Blame Obama and Hillary Clinton for worldwide migration patterns and it’s done. One more helping of piping hot RWNJ bullshit served up to the media.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:10:43pm

re: #346 The Vicious Babushka

This was posted earlier. littlegreenfootballs.com

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ObserverArt  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:10:44pm

re: #290 KGxvi

Cruz and Rubio will probably be front runners in 2020 on the GOP side. Possibly Kaisch. But looking at the Senate and current governors, I’m not sure who else could realistically run. Then again, I don’t know much about most of the governors in fly over country, so maybe there’s someone there?

I think the national stage has seen the last of Kasich. He’ll finish out his term as Governor of Ohio and then go on the speaking circuit and the like.

He isn’t going to get any ‘nicer’ from now ‘til then, so he would do no better.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:10:57pm

Nope

nope nope nope nope nope

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:12:04pm

re: #290 KGxvi

Cruz and Rubio will probably be front runners in 2020 on the GOP side. Possibly Kaisch. But looking at the Senate and current governors, I’m not sure who else could realistically run. Then again, I don’t know much about most of the governors in fly over country, so maybe there’s someone there?

Paul Ryan seems like a likely candidate.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:13:06pm

re: #353 Big Beautiful Door

Paul Ryan seems like a likely candidate.

Yea he’s the Mini Mitt.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:13:12pm

re: #344 Brian J.

That’s not good.

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EPR-radar  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:13:35pm

re: #353 Big Beautiful Door

Paul Ryan seems like a likely candidate.

Hopefully his troubles with the House Republican caucus will be a decisive obstacle.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:13:45pm

re: #294 lawhawk

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Tip of the iceberg?

Leave would’ve been a disaster for Gibraltar, as Spain would’ve likely sealed the border again in its 300 year quest to regain control, devastating Gibraltar’s economy.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:15:17pm

re: #356 EPR-radar

Hopefully his troubles with the House Republican caucus will be a decisive obstacle.

I think Ryan would be better off if the GOP lost control of the House. As it is, he will have to make deals with the Democrats just like Boehner did, and the Base will hate his guts.

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lawhawk  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:15:40pm
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Franklin  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:18:34pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:18:55pm

re: #317 freetoken

Drudge is essentially racist.

Fixed it for you.

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lawhawk  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:21:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:21:40pm

re: #362 lawhawk

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:22:09pm

Well, I’m going to go grab a handle of Canadian Club.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:23:22pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:23:52pm

re: #362 lawhawk

re: #363 Backwoods_Sleuth

Metal and other commodities prices. kitco.com

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:24:06pm

re: #363 Backwoods_Sleuth

Definitely not good.

Were people lying on the exit polls?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:24:49pm

re: #367 Ziggy_TARDIS

Definitely not good.

Were people lying on the exit polls?

There were no exit polls.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:25:25pm

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

There were some polls released though, just after polls ended.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:25:51pm

re: #369 Ziggy_TARDIS

There were some polls released though, just after polls ended.

Those weren’t exit polls

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:26:15pm

re: #370 Backwoods_Sleuth

I know, misspoke.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:27:01pm

Hard to imagine we’re potentially watching the opening act of the death of the United Kingdom. I wouldn’t have guessed that was going to be a thing in my lifetime. Figured we had better odds, to be quite frank.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:29:23pm

re: #372 Testy Toad T

Yeah, this is completely insane.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:29:55pm

re: #372 Testy Toad T

Hard to imagine we’re potentially watching the opening act of the death of the United Kingdom. I wouldn’t have guessed that was going to be a thing in my lifetime. Figured we had better odds, to be quite frank.

Too early for that; there are still a lot of votes to be counted. Though I bet when Cameron was elected PM he never imagined he might be the last PM of the U.K.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:31:22pm

re: #374 Big Beautiful Door

Too early for that; there are still a lot of votes to be counted. Though I bet when Cameron was elected PM he never imagined he might be the last PM of the U.K.

Even if Leave wins, he might not be. It would be a slow and arduous process for NI, Scotland, and Wales to peel themselves off.

But he’d be the one that fucked it up.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:31:33pm

re: #372 Testy Toad T

Hard to imagine we’re potentially watching the opening act of the death of the United Kingdom. I wouldn’t have guessed that was going to be a thing in my lifetime. Figured we had better odds, to be quite frank.

The “Heartland™” is going to be counted first, just by the nature of things. I hope London will pull it out.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:32:08pm

Really is crazy to think about in any case.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:32:10pm

re: #374 Big Beautiful Door

His policies have made that a possibility. What is happening in the UK is a repudiation of Conservative Doctrine.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:33:51pm

re: #378 Ziggy_TARDIS

His policies have made that a possibility. What is happening in the UK is a repudiation of Conservative Doctrine.

I wonder if Cameron will resign if leave wins?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:35:51pm
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MsJ  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:36:03pm

re: #374 Big Beautiful Door

Too early for that; there are still a lot of votes to be counted. Though I bet when Cameron was elected PM he never imagined he might be the last PM of the U.K.

At the same time, the U.K. decided extreme austerity was a good idea. There’s a price when real people suffer.

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EPR-radar  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:36:58pm

re: #378 Ziggy_TARDIS

His policies have made that a possibility. What is happening in the UK is a repudiation of Conservative Doctrine.

How so? Conservatives everywhere seem to be getting increasingly nativist.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:37:06pm

re: #326 VaughnIAM

my grandfather came over from poland (in the czarist empire at the time) in 1890 when he was four. eventually he had a career as a surgeon

when he died it came out that he had never been naturalized. his father had been naturalized and his son was born in the u.s.

yes, my grandfather the doctor was an illegal alien. if he was alive today trump would want to deport him

he would be among the people protected by the bill that was rejected today

If your grandfather’s father became a naturalized citizen before your grandfather turned 16 he would have automatically been granted citizenship according to the naturalization laws back then.

Today the only difference in the law is that the child’s age has been changed to 18.

not according to the information our family recieved when my grandfather died in 1973

my father was plenty pissed off that my grandfather’s will had to be processed as if he was a polish citizen

i do see that according to current law the child also has to be officially registered as a Legal Permanent Resident to qualify for this automatic status, and if that was true when my great grandfather was naturalized it would have disqualified my grandfather since this was never done

everybody just assumed that the little blond kid with the new york accent had been born here so nobody did anything about his status

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:39:03pm

re: #382 EPR-radar

How so? Conservatives everywhere seem to be getting increasingly nativist.

I have noticed the same. It’s not just here. It’s like this globally as well.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:39:38pm

re: #382 EPR-radar

The cutting of services have made people more desperate, and when that happens, Nativism pops up.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:40:49pm

re: #385 Ziggy_TARDIS

It should be noted that Jenna Coleman threw her support behind Remain yesterday.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:41:24pm
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MsJ  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:41:25pm

re: #382 EPR-radar

re: #384 HappyWarrior

The various EU countries went all-in on conservative austerity which hurt people. Instead of reconsidering those policies, many places scapegoated Others. The typical conservative Two-fer.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:42:07pm

re: #388 MsJ

The various EU countries went all-in on conservative austerity which hurt people. Instead of reconsidering those policies, many places scapegoated Others. The typical conservative Two-fer.

Yep agreed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:43:27pm

but he says it’s too early to support Hillary…

Also, I’m guessing he’s not too keen to get back to doing his Senator job any time soon.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:44:20pm

re: #390 Backwoods_Sleuth

Like Rubio, apparently.

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Shimshon  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:45:23pm

re: #384 HappyWarrior

I have noticed the same. It’s not just here. It’s like this globally as well.

The world is changing, becoming more inclusive, diverse, and once well paying jobs are disappearing. People are angry and lashing out at the easiest targets.

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BeachDem  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:45:51pm

re: #390 Backwoods_Sleuth

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but he says it’s too early to support Hillary…

Also, I’m guessing he’s not too keen to get back to doing his Senator job any time soon.

Where’s Frank? I need a drink!

Wonder if “rockstar” Nina Turner will be going with him? She doesn’t have anything else to do.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:46:52pm

re: #391 Ziggy_TARDIS

Like Rubio, apparently.

Rubio was there today to cast his votes on the two gun amendments’ procedural motions.
Bernie wasn’t.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:47:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:47:03pm

re: #392 Shimshon

The world is changing, becoming more inclusive, diverse, and once well paying jobs are disappearing. People are angry and lashing out at the easiest targets.

Yep textbook right wing populism at its ugliest.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:47:33pm

re: #395 FormerDirtDart

That’s not even remotely close.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:47:38pm

re: #394 Backwoods_Sleuth

Rubio was there today to cast his votes on the two gun amendments’ procedural motions.
Bernie wasn’t.

Not a good look when Rubio makes you look like you need to be doing your job.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:47:44pm

re: #393 BeachDem

How much ya want to bet Bernie won’t be campaigning for Kamala?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:49:17pm

re: #395 FormerDirtDart

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Northern Ireland I see and the parliamentary seat of Mark Durkan, head of the SDLP.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:50:38pm

Someone let me know how Enniskillen or any part of Fermanagh votes. Ditto with County Down. I’m honestly curious about how people are voting where I have ancestry in the UK.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:51:05pm

re: #399 Backwoods_Sleuth

How much ya want to bet Bernie won’t be campaigning for Kamala?

To be honest, I’m shocked he’s campaigning for anyone.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:51:24pm
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BeachDem  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:51:37pm

re: #399 Backwoods_Sleuth

How much ya want to bet Bernie won’t be campaigning for Kamala?

I’d think it’s a pretty safe bet. I am truly growing weary of Brother Bernie and his traveling salvation show.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:51:54pm

MrBWS just called. Looks like he won’t be coming home tonight. Lots of storm damage still and power to restore in Ohio.
I also see lots of tornado warnings in North Carolina, so that could be next.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:52:47pm

re: #403 FormerDirtDart

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Those little islands within the UK always fave interested me. I visited the Aran Islands off the coast of Galway when I studied abroad. Truly unique places that have unique cultures of their own.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:53:38pm
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MsJ  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:54:06pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:54:43pm

sad

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:54:47pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:55:23pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:55:36pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:55:40pm

Bernie is out wandering in the desert. Probably doing some peyote and rediscovering his most pure liberalness. And coming to grip with the yoooooouuge question: what does it all mean (Mr. Natrural)?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:56:02pm

re: #407 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah leave the primaries up for people who don’t want to be in the Democratic Party, great idea Bernie. I am sick and tired of his contempt for minority voters who actually are and work their ass for the party to succeed. Bernie wants to hand the party over to people who have no loyalty at all to the Democratic Party. For that, I’ve had it with him and I wouldn’t cry if he got primaried and had a bad end to his career.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:56:16pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:56:34pm

re: #405 Backwoods_Sleuth

Storm warnings in SE PA and in DE too. :(

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:56:47pm

re: #410 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Via Wonkette:

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Fuck Glenn Beck and his sense of revisionist history. We all know that Glenn Beck would have called MLK a communist if Glenn had the bully pulpit when MLK was still alive.

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BeachDem  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:56:59pm

re: #407 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sanders gets cheers from mostly white crowd for wanting open primaries. just about anything he says. (Congressional Black Caucus says move would hurt minority voters.)

BREAKING!!

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:57:18pm
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:57:27pm

re: #413 ObserverArt

Bernie is out wandering in the desert. Probably doing some peyote and rediscovering his most pure liberalness. And coming to grip with the yoooooouuge question: what does it all mean (Mr. Natrural)?

I thought better of him back in February.

Now, he is just an aging irascible crank.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:57:52pm

re: #415 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I hope he loses big time on this one. Fuck, it’s not even about the issues with him anymore, is it?

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BeachDem  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:57:52pm

re: #409 Backwoods_Sleuth

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sad

Wonder if he’ll interrupt this round of NY rallies for another trip to Rome?

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MsJ  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:58:23pm

re: #414 HappyWarrior

Yeah leave the primaries up for people who don’t want to be in the Democratic Party, great idea Bernie. I am sick and tired of his contempt for minority voters who actually are and work their ass for the party to succeed. Bernie wants to hand the party over to people who have no loyalty at all to the Democratic Party. For that, I’ve had it with him and I wouldn’t cry if he got primaried and had a bad end to his career.

More than that, it’s contempt for all democrats.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:58:47pm

re: #420 Aunty Entity Dragon

I thought better of him back in February.

Now, he is just an aging irascible crank.

You and me both. I really thought he was a reasonable albeit maybe a bit pie in the sky but not a dick that he’d fuck over longtime members of the Democratic base due to pettiness.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 4:59:03pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:00:16pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:00:54pm

re: #425 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Damn it John, I was hoping for something witty like Mark Twain’s “Reports of my demise have greatly been exaggerated” but then again you were a Congressman and not a humorist so I’ll cut some slack.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:01:03pm

re: #419 FormerDirtDart

England is determined to kill the UK, aren’t they?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:01:37pm

re: #426 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s saying he’ll use dictatorial means to get his way on trade. By the way, Donald, where are your fugly suits made again?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:01:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:02:24pm

re: #428 Ziggy_TARDIS

England is determined to kill the UK, aren’t they?

It would be ironic since it was them who came up with the whole UK in the first place. Granted the Hanovers were of German stock and the Stuarts Scots.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:02:30pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:02:45pm

re: #425 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Tigger2  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:02:50pm

re: #415 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:03:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:04:11pm

I’d have so much more respect for Bernie if he was using this to get ideological issues heard. It’s not about that anymore with him unfortunately though. It’s about letting people who have no desire to align themselves to the Democratic Party being able to decide the Democratic Party’s nominee and honestly fuck Bernie for pulling this on a party he’s never really been part of.

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gocart mozart  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:04:36pm

re: #426 Backwoods_Sleuth

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ObserverArt  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:04:57pm

re: #432 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Mikhail Golub @golub
‘Brexit’ to be followed by Grexit. Departugal. Italeave. Fruckoff. Czechout. Oustria. Finish. Slovakout. Latervia. Byegium.
6:22 AM - 23 Jun 2016
6,611 6,611 Retweets 6,039 6,039 likes

That is sad and funny at the same time. Wicked humor.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:05:09pm

re: #435 Backwoods_Sleuth

Highland is the area in the very North of Scotland.

I imagine the results there are like the Orkney Islands I have ancestry from next door, though I have background through the McKays in the Highlands too.

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BeachDem  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:05:23pm

Yeah, that’s helpful.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:05:49pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:06:46pm

re: #441 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Jesus.

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nines09  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:07:24pm

TONIGHT ON CNN……..LIES…..LIES…AND MORE…LIES…….REPORTING ON THIS PHENOMENA…..COREY LEWANDROWSKI……….COREY?

“Thanks suckers, I mean Wolf…..”

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:07:44pm

re: #441 Backwoods_Sleuth

that is bad. It is a good thing I read on the Market-Frankford/Blue line when I go to work.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:07:50pm

re: #441 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just feels like the whole goddamned world is berning burning down sometimes.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:07:54pm
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BeachDem  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:08:22pm

re: #434 Tigger2

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Sanders just said “one of the issues were going to be fighting for on the rules committee is to end closed primaries.”

And yet, about caucuses, not a word was spoke.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:08:23pm

re: #414 HappyWarrior

Yeah leave the primaries up for people who don’t want to be in the Democratic Party, great idea Bernie. I am sick and tired of his contempt for minority voters who actually are and work their ass for the party to succeed. Bernie wants to hand the party over to people who have no loyalty at all to the Democratic Party. For that, I’ve had it with him and I wouldn’t cry if he got primaried and had a bad end to his career.

No need to primary him—he’s an “Independent”. Just run a Democrat this time.

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EPR-radar  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:09:05pm

re: #412 klys (maker of Silmarils)

This is not a good start. What I want out of Bernie Sanders is boots on the ground vs. Republicans and Trump in November.

If Sanders isn’t going to be useful in that context, he can fuck right off.

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MsJ  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:09:37pm

re: #441 Backwoods_Sleuth

Holy shit!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:10:04pm

re: #448 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

No need to primary him—he’s an “Independent”. Just run a Democrat this time.

I thought he officially is a Democrat now which is why Giordano hs talked about primarying him, no? I don’t know if we have any Vermont lizards or lizards with friends and family there but I imagine Bernie’s act is tiresome to many up there by now. I mean there just gets a point where you get embarrassed by one of your own. That’s how I’ve been feeling about Jim Webb since he thankfully left office and then embraced his inner dickhead though he always was a bit of a dick.

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b.d.  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:11:24pm

On this historic evening in the UK I can’t help but harken back to another big event and one of the biggest scoops of the decade.

Evening Lizards

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:11:37pm

The Bernie photo-op on the sit-in seems to have worked since the Bernout I know is using it as proof that he stood with the Congressional Democrats even though he left pretty much immediately.

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MsJ  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:12:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:12:37pm

re: #453 b.d.

On this historic evening in the UK I can’t help but harken back to another big event and one of the biggest scoops of the decade.

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Evening Lizards

What’s interesting to me is so far it seems that Scotland wants to remain part of the EU but there’s been growing sympathy for Scotland to get independence. Then again, in a way the two aren’t really opposing issues.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:13:38pm

Guess who got a chance to see the sit-in in the House Chamber today(only got to stay for a couple min, but it was history)….

Also got to shake hands with Senator Chuck Schumer while taking a tour prior to entering the Senate Chamber.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:14:11pm

re: #457 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Guess who got a chance to see the sit-in in the House Chamber today(only got to stay for a couple min, but it was history)….

Also got to shake hands with Senator Chuck Schumer while taking a tour prior to entering the Senate Chamber.

Very cool.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:14:21pm
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EPR-radar  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:15:39pm

re: #456 HappyWarrior

What’s interesting to me is so far it seems that Scotland wants to remain part of the EU but there’s been growing sympathy for Scotland to get independence. Then again, in a way the two aren’t really opposing issues.

The impression I have is that if the UK leaves the EU, Scotland would be likely to seek independence from the UK mainly to get back into the EU.

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BeachDem  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:16:36pm

Just flashed that 16+ million needed to win referendum—currently about 600,000 votes counted—going to be a long night.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:16:37pm

re: #460 EPR-radar

Speaking of which….

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:16:53pm

re: #458 HappyWarrior

Very cool.

Prior to leaving on Wednesday afternoon, I told my wife that if I could only somehow shake hands with John Lewis, the trip would be a great success. Well, got to see John Lewis fight like that in person, just wow.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:16:57pm

re: #460 EPR-radar

The impression I have is that if the UK leaves the EU, Scotland would be likely to seek independence from the UK mainly to get back into the EU.

That sounds about right. It also seems and granted it’s early that Northern Ireland wants to remain. Wouldn’t that be something that after years of sectarian differences the two sides seem to have some consensus about another issue?

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Shimshon  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:17:11pm

re: #417 HappyWarrior

Fuck Glenn Beck and his sense of revisionist history. We all know that Glenn Beck would have called MLK a communist if Glenn had the bully pulpit when MLK was still alive.

We can just look back to how Beck treated Obama in 2007-2009 and…

huffingtonpost.com

OH LAWD.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:17:24pm

re: #441 Backwoods_Sleuth

Boyfriend/girlfriend thing. Terrible. Been on the news here since it happened. :-/

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:17:39pm

re: #464 HappyWarrior

The EU was a big part in resolving (mostly) that conflict.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:18:33pm

re: #463 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Prior to leaving on Wednesday afternoon, I told my wife that if I could only somehow shake hands with John Lewis, the trip would be a great success. Well, got to see John Lewis fight like can in person, just wow.

indeed. What an awesome experience. Lewis really is a true hero. His district is lucky to have him. If we had 434 other congresspeople with even a fraction of the wisdom and insight he has, we’d have a great Congress, unfortunately there are more Louie Gohmerts than John Lewises in Congress.

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MsJ  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:19:16pm

+7000 Leave

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:19:19pm

re: #460 EPR-radar

The impression I have is that if the UK leaves the EU, Scotland would be likely to seek independence from the UK mainly to get back into the EU.

It appears to be an open secret to everyone but the English that this is for all practical purposes an English vote to dissolve the United Kingdom.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:19:38pm

re: #467 Ziggy_TARDIS

The EU was a big part in resolving (mostly) that conflict.

Yeah they were. I am glad that things have gotten better. I have my unique views on NI I concede but I am glad to see that peace has been worked on.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:19:47pm
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BeachDem  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:20:48pm

re: #468 HappyWarrior

indeed. What an awesome experience. Lewis really is a true hero. His district is lucky to have him. If we had 434 other congresspeople with even a fraction of the wisdom and insight he has, we’d have a great Congress, unfortunately there are more Louie Gohmerts than John Lewises in Congress.

We are trying to get him for our fall county Dem event. I REALLY pushed for us to get him last year, when the theme was 50 years of voting rights, but it fell apart. I have offered to put up the money for his travel and hotel if they can get him to agree. I still live in hope.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:21:50pm

re: #473 BeachDem

We are trying to get him for our fall county Dem event. I REALLY pushed for us to get him last year, when the theme was 50 years of voting rights, but it fell apart. I have offered to put up the money for his travel and hotel if they can get him to agree. I still live in hope.

That would be great if you could. He really is a great guy and I’m so glad that he still fights the good fight with as much passion as he did in his younger days.

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Bubblehead II  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:22:14pm

Lizards, going to call it a night. As always, may the Deity of your choice smile down upon you and yours.

Cal Smith - The Lord Knows I’m Drinking

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:25:10pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:25:33pm

Every result in Scotland up to now has been Pro-Remain.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:26:45pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:27:25pm

re: #476 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah Bernie, that’s a way to convince the SDs to nominate you by reminding people that you’re not even really a Democrat really and just joined because you knew it would look bad to be an Independent running for President as a Democrat.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:27:43pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:27:53pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:28:22pm

re: #480 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Why does this remind me of poor parts of the US that still vote for Republicans even though Republicans are against helping those poor areas?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:28:35pm

re: #480 Backwoods_Sleuth

Considering how the Southern US acts in regards to that, one could think it is part of the Conservative Mindset.

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gocart mozart  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:29:54pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:30:59pm

North Antrim votes to leave.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:32:18pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:32:23pm

re: #485 Ziggy_TARDIS

North Antrim votes to leave.

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Parliamentary district of Ian Paisley’s son, Ian Jr.

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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:32:37pm

re: #485 Ziggy_TARDIS

I thought Northern Ireland was predicted to vote to stay, out of fear that leaving would interfere with border crossing with RoI.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:32:48pm

re: #484 gocart mozart

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Trump’s idea of a special relationship is treating everyone like shit.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:33:01pm

re: #487 HappyWarrior

Well, that makes sense then. I have heard of the father, and how big a wanker he was.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:33:14pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:33:45pm

re: #488 freetoken

I thought Northern Ireland was predicted to vote to stay, out of fear that leaving would interfere with border crossing with RoI.

I thought so too. What’s interesting is this is a Unionist stronghold. As I said, Ian Paisley’s son is the MP for North Antrim.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:33:58pm

re: #491 Backwoods_Sleuth

Woohoo! Two of us posting!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:33:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:35:05pm

re: #490 Ziggy_TARDIS

Well, that makes sense then. I have heard of the father, and how big a wanker he was.

Yep, terrible person and quite honestly why I am not fond of the Unionists in NI. I am not going to start a debate about Republic versus Union in regards to NI since that will distract but Paisley’s father was an anti-Catholic racist homophobe who had a lot of common ground with American Fundies so much that he actually got a honorable doctorate from Bob Jones University.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:35:29pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:35:34pm

West Tyrone says Stay.

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gocart mozart  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:35:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:36:06pm

re: #497 Ziggy_TARDIS

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West Tyrone says Stay.

Come on Fermanagh and Down do the right thing lads.

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stpaulbear  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:36:35pm

re: #321 wrenchwench

Featuring these guys?

Probably not.

Maybe these guys?

Where Do We Go From Here (Badfinger US release)

Probably not either. Two of them committed suicide.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:37:06pm

East Ayrshire in Scotland is Remain.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:37:14pm

re: #500 stpaulbear

Maybe these guys?

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Probably not either. Two of them committed suicide.

That’s a criminally underrated band IMO. I first heard Badfinger in The Departed. Then I talked to my Dad and it turned out it was one of his favorites in the early 70’s.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:38:21pm

LOL

Has there ever been an investigation into the weird results in Waukesha County, WI?

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:40:08pm

re: #496 Backwoods_Sleuth

How can you have only 72% turnout on something so fucking important and momentous as this?!!?

Not that, as an American, I am really one to talk.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:40:55pm

re: #504 Testy Toad T

How can you have only 72% turnout on something so fucking important and momentous as this?!!?

Not that, as an American, I am really one to talk.

Yeah I don’t get it either.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:42:20pm

Facebook Post

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:42:49pm

re: #504 Testy Toad T

And why is 50%+1 enough to decide something like this.

It should be decided by super-majority, 60% at least.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:43:46pm

Hartlepool wants to leave.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:44:44pm
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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:44:46pm

re: #507 Ziggy_TARDIS

And why is 50%+1 enough to decide something like this.

It should be decided by super-majority, 60% at least.

At least a strict majority of actual eligible voters. Not voting should rather obviously count as a vote for the status quo, right?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:44:52pm

re: #506 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Some of his music was in Lawless and O Brother Where Art Thou, it’s what in part got me into old time folk music.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:45:49pm

re: #506 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Beautiful tribute. Condolences to Ralph’s family and freinds.

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compound_Idaho  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:46:44pm

re: #510 Testy Toad T

What were the criteria on the referendum to join?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:46:58pm

The Bootleggers Feat: Ralph Stanley-Fire in the blood
It also transitions into Emmylou Harris’s awesome cover of Townes Van Zant’s Snake Song which I think is better performed by a woman than man IMO.

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William Lewis  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:50:16pm

And in a bit of good music news,

A California jury has ruled that the members of Led Zeppelin did not plagiarize the opening bars of their hit “Stairway to Heaven,” a seminal song in rock history.

The estate of Randy Wolfe, the deceased guitarist of the band Spirit, had filed the federal copyright infringement lawsuit in 2014. It argued that guitar intro was stolen from the opening notes of Spirit’s song “Taurus” — which came out before Stairway. At the time, Wolfe was performing under the pseudonym Randy California.

npr.org

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gocart mozart  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:50:18pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:51:31pm

re: #516 gocart mozart

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Haha I was going to say. I thought BtC was quite interesting. Granted I didn’t grow up with Liberace and I knew little about him before I watched the movie but it was interesting.

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stpaulbear  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:56:23pm

re: #394 Backwoods_Sleuth

Rubio was there today to cast his votes on the two gun amendments’ procedural motions.
Bernie wasn’t.

Is it starting to piss off Vermonters that he’s not even trying to do his job?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 5:57:00pm

re: #518 stpaulbear

Is it starting to piss off Vermonters that he’s not even trying to do his job?

That’s what I’ve been wondering too.

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piratedan  Jun 23, 2016 • 6:00:18pm

re: #502 HappyWarrior

agree… Day After Day, No Matter What, Baby Blue, the original Without You (written by Tom Evans) and my favorite little known cut, “We’re for the dark”

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mr.fusion  Jun 23, 2016 • 6:02:33pm
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Shimshon  Jun 23, 2016 • 6:33:28pm

re: #482 HappyWarrior

Why does this remind me of poor parts of the US that still vote for Republicans even though Republicans are against helping those poor areas?

The millions of whites on disability, welfare, food stamps, or work for the government and vote for Republican politicians that tell them the OTHER people on disability, welfare, food stamps, or work for the government are lazy moochers just do it to feel better about themselves and superior to those others.

If you ask them, THEY deserve their tax payer money of course.

God guns and gays is what they cling to, Obama was right. They grew up believing that you have to be a Republican and (Protestant) Christian or else you are anti-American.

Until these poor whites can be convinced to stop getting angry at minorities also getting government assistance, the GOP will win most state elections. They don’t decide the Presidency anymore but midterms and lower races will give the Republicans power. This freaking out over Trump is just a game, they are happy to lose to Hillary it will help them justify 8 more years of insanity.


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