Britain Votes to Leave the EU

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The BBC is now calling the EU referendum and Britain has voted to leave the European Union, in a stunning backlash of far right nationalism that is already having serious consequences around the world.

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Great White Snark  Jun 23, 2016 • 8:51:38pm

Sure would love to hear from Ice and Jimmah about now.

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teleskiguy  Jun 23, 2016 • 8:52:52pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 23, 2016 • 8:53:33pm

The Pound has lost over 11% of its value against the dollar, and the Euro has lost about 4.5%.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 8:53:59pm

re: #2 teleskiguy

This was a racist backlash by the English and the Welsh, and nothing more.

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teleskiguy  Jun 23, 2016 • 8:55:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 8:55:06pm

Right wing populism is dangerous. I’ve been soured on populism honestly for some time now.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 23, 2016 • 8:55:22pm

re: #4 Ziggy_TARDIS

This was a racist backlash by the English and the Welsh, and nothing more.

Leave forces scared them with the fear of millions of scary brown muslims from Turkey swarming across the channel.

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teleskiguy  Jun 23, 2016 • 8:55:34pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 23, 2016 • 8:57:04pm

As several people hinted in the last string, there seems to be a pattern emerging: Trump shows up and half the country goes mad. Must be the stupid rays emanating from that weird array on his head, though the Scots are apparently immune from long exposure. For Cthulhu’s sake sake though, keep him out of China and India.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 8:57:35pm
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unproven innocence  Jun 23, 2016 • 8:57:37pm

What a revolting development this is. (Quoting a 1950s show.)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 8:57:39pm

re: #7 Big Beautiful Door

Leave forces scared them with the fear of millions of scary brown muslims from Turkey swarming across the channel.

As we discussed earlier, they’re also afraid of Slavs too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 8:58:08pm

re: #7 Big Beautiful Door

Leave forces scared them with the fear of millions of scary brown muslims from Turkey swarming across the channel.

And all of those eastern Europeans.

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jaunte  Jun 23, 2016 • 8:58:25pm

⸨ I M A G E ⸩

There’s always someone popping up to claim “regular folks” don’t have an interest in the stock market.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 8:58:32pm

This also probably spells the end of Doctor Who as well.

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Kryptik  Jun 23, 2016 • 8:59:00pm

So pretty much at this rate, the far-right surge owns the entire fucking world.

Fan-fucking-tastic.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 8:59:42pm

re: #16 Kryptik

So pretty much at this rate, the far-right surge owns the entire fucking world.

Fan-fucking-tastic.

The whole world’s going insane and some of us have watched our family and friends go with it.

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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:00:04pm

re: #15 Ziggy_TARDIS

This also probably spells the end of Doctor Who as well.

Certainly there are forces who would like to sell off the BBC.

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teleskiguy  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:00:17pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:00:19pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

And all of those eastern Europeans.

I wonder how big a factor Orlando played in the leave victory? We will never know, really, but I’ve got to think a major terrorist attack the week before the vote had to have some effect.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:00:23pm
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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:00:27pm

re: #16 Kryptik

So pretty much at this rate, the far-right surge owns the entire fucking world.

Well, there is always Canada…

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Great White Snark  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:00:42pm
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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:01:35pm

re: #20 Big Beautiful Door

The murder of Cox may have had a bigger role… in making the result more close than it would have been otherwise.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:01:56pm
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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:02:55pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

Figured the Japanese would be first… not only are they ahead in time they have a lot to lose.

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Great White Snark  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:03:00pm

Nationalism has dome great harm over time. Tonight, well tonight is one of those moments. Tomorrow we cope as best we can, and take that day back for our side of this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:03:24pm
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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:03:37pm

The floor of $1.35 looks like it is being enforced:

finance.yahoo.com{“range”:”1d”,”allowChartStacking”:true}

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:04:29pm

So, Brexit wins……that’s a hell of a thing to wake up to here in Europe. This was the biggest nightmare of a good many of my Czech students and friends and now it’s come to pass.

Oh, boy…..just what the world needs. The rise of of ethocentric, xenophobic far-right nationalism. Last time that happened, things didn’t turn out so well.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:04:32pm

re: #18 freetoken

Namely Farage. The only way Doctor Who survives if it goes with Scotland.

England and Wales quite clearly hate the message of Tolerance and Inclusivity that Doctor Who has.

That would go a long way to explaining the recent dip in ratings for Doctor Who in the UK, with it only getting 6-7 million now, while in the rest of the world, it is rising.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:05:03pm
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austin_blue  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:05:13pm

Someone asked about Boris Johnson (who will be gunning for the Tory PM post as soon as a new election is called in Parliament) and Trump downstairs. Here’s my take:

Boris and Donald have a lot in common. Both were born on third base and were raised to believe that they were so talented that they hit a triple to deep left center field on leaving the womb. Both have disastrous hair, and both are functioning sociopaths in the limited social clique in which they exist. Most importantly, both are very, very dangerous men if they acquire control of a western government. It simply cannot be allowed to happen.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:06:10pm

re: #31 Ziggy_TARDIS

Namely Farage. The only way Doctor Who survives if it goes with Scotland.

England and Wales quite clearly hate the message of Tolerance and Inclusivity that Doctor Who has.

That would go a long way to explaining the recent dip in ratings for Doctor Who in the UK, with it only getting 6-7 million now, while in the rest of the world, it is rising.

You’re starting to skate reaaaaaaaaaaaaally close to the group-blaming that can get you in trouble here. Just so you can make note of it.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:06:19pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:07:06pm

I admit, I laughed.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:07:33pm

re: #34 klys (maker of Silmarils)

You’re right, I’m just a little frustrated. Doctor Who means a lot to me, as it saved me from a very, very dark place.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:08:05pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:08:28pm

re: #31 Ziggy_TARDIS

England and Wales quite clearly hate the message of Tolerance and Inclusivity that Doctor Who has.

That would go a long way to explaining the recent dip in ratings for Doctor Who in the UK, with it only getting 6-7 million now, while in the rest of the world, it is rising.

Doctor Who is a TV show. If you gauge politics by what’s on TV I have to say that you’re a dumbass.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:08:48pm

re: #37 Ziggy_TARDIS

You’re right, I’m just a little frustrated. Doctor Who means a lot to me, as it saved me from a very, very dark place.

I know. But there’s enough of a following for Doctor Who that I think it very unlikely it would disappear as a result of this.

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austin_blue  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:08:59pm

re: #29 freetoken

The floor of $1.35 looks like it is being enforced:

finance.yahoo.com{“range”:”1d”,”allowChartStacking”:true}

That’ll get them a day, maybe three with the weekend. Monday is going to be a shitstorm. Let’s see where the pound is next Thursday.

On the good side, a UK vacation may be a real deal this fall.

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Kragar  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:09:22pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:09:26pm

re: #41 austin_blue

That’ll get them a day, maybe three with the weekend. Monday is going to be a shitstorm. Let’s see where the pound is next Thursday.

On the good side, a UK vacation may be a real deal this fall.

But we bought tickets for Japan instead of Scotland argh.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:09:34pm

re: #38 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I wonder how Groundskeeper Willie voted. Sorry a little humor.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:10:06pm

re: #39 teleskiguy

I’m not, but I had a connection in my head between the recently slipping ratings, and this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:10:29pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:11:25pm

On the bright side, gas prices will be going back down as the price of oil has dropped sharply.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:11:37pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m thinking the US is about to become very close to France.

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Great White Snark  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:11:41pm

re: #42 Kragar

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teleskiguy  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:11:53pm

re: #45 Ziggy_TARDIS

I’m not, but

I’m not, BUT!!!!!!

Dude, you gauged British Politics on the ratings of a sci-fi teevee show. And you won’t own up to it.

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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:12:37pm

re: #48 Ziggy_TARDIS

Our relationship with any of the UK is unlikely to change.

Except economically, for if London goes down in a spiral, the Fed will have to intervene.

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Robert O.  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:12:40pm

The British pound is going to take a hammering for this, curently down 8% according to Google Finance. It could be a very good time to visit the UK.

That aside, I consider the Brexit vote very likely to have much wider geopolitical ramifications. In the short term, Scotland might hold another independence referendum again. They are overwhelmingly pro-EU, and asked to pick between Europe and the UK, they will likely choose Europe (this wasn’t a consideration last time). Also, Northern Ireland is pro-EU as well. If Britain gets seriously hammered, because a small country with 60 million people can’t possibly uphold its interests in a world dominated by the US, EU, China and Russia, might the Northern Irish try to reunite with their Rep. Ireland neighbors, who now have higher GDP per capita than the UK and growing faster as well?

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Kragar  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:12:47pm

Now on the flip side, I can afford a bunch of modelling stuff from this British mail order company right now, so hey, good news right?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:13:16pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:13:21pm

re: #53 Kragar

Now on the flip side, I can afford a bunch of modelling stuff from this British mail order company right now, so hey, good news right?

Ooooooooooo, the cross stitch frame that I’ve been eyeing is from the UK. BIRTHDAY HERE I COME.

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austin_blue  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:13:29pm

re: #34 klys (maker of Silmarils)

You’re starting to skate reaaaaaaaaaaaaally close to the group-blaming that can get you in trouble here. Just so you can make note of it.

You are the sane conscience of this Board right now. Thanks.

Really, I’m serious. Thank you so very much.

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BeachDem  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:13:39pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That had better be shouted from rooftops everywhere.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:13:44pm

re: #49 Great White Snark

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Great White Snark  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:14:26pm

re: #47 Big Beautiful Door

Oil is down while gold hits $1325. What’s with that?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:15:07pm

re: #50 teleskiguy

Ok, see this from my perspective for a moment.

Britain has recently taken a very nasty, nativist turn, while at the same time a show that promotes the opposite has a major dip (~25%) in ratings. To me, it would seem the 2 are correlated.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:15:40pm

re: #59 Great White Snark

Oil is down while gold hits $1325. What’s with that?

Gold is always the perceived safe haven during times of economic turmoil.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:15:41pm

re: #56 austin_blue

You are the sane conscience of this Board right now. Thanks.

Really, I’m serious. Thank you so very much.

I try to be reasonable, but I have my shitty days too. I am only a (cross stitch addicted) human, after all.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:16:22pm

re: #60 Ziggy_TARDIS

Ok, see this from my perspective for a moment.

Britain has recently taken a very nasty, nativist turn, while at the same time a show that promotes the opposite has a major dip (~25%) in ratings. To me, it would seem the 2 are correlated.

Correlation != causation. Just a reminder.

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teleskiguy  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:16:31pm

re: #60 Ziggy_TARDIS

And Marilyn Manson and violent video games made the killers at Columbine do what they did.

Strawman. Total bullshit.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:16:34pm

re: #59 Great White Snark

Oil is down while gold hits $1325. What’s with that?

Oil goes down when the dollar goes up. Gold is many people’s safety blanky.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:17:53pm

re: #64 teleskiguy

Ok, I will give you that.

I was wrong to say they are correlated.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:18:11pm

Redacted. Always scroll to the end.

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Great White Snark  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:19:10pm

re: #61 Dr Lizardo

Gold is always the perceived safe haven during times of economic turmoil.

Sure but the commodities often run as a pack. Not tonight.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:19:13pm

re: #67 Testy Toad T

I was wrong.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:19:48pm

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MsJ  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:19:55pm

re: #65 Big Beautiful Door

Oil goes down when the dollar goes up. Gold is many people’s safety blanky.

I’m think USD is going to look that much more attractive to investors.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:19:55pm
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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:20:20pm

re: #68 Great White Snark

Because petroleum is priced in Dollars, it will run inverse the dollar.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:20:49pm

re: #71 MsJ

I’m think USD is going to look that much more attractive to investors.

The dollar is also a safe haven…..flight to quality, basically.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:21:29pm

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austin_blue  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:21:36pm

re: #38 Backwoods_Sleuth

And the SNP will be trotting out a referendum to leave the UK in the next six months. Nicolla Sturgeon will have the votes for a Scexit from the UK big time. There is no way that Scotland will give up the trading bloc that the EU provides them and stay with England. That’s done and sorted.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:21:56pm

re: #74 Dr Lizardo

The dollar is also a safe haven…..flight to quality, basically.

That should be good until November, then.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:21:59pm

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m hoping they succeed.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:22:17pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:22:21pm

re: #75 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I have very nice No. 2 pencils for sale. Haven’t even gone through a sharpener yet!

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:22:22pm

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

Who I really pity is London. I mean, London will be fine, it is and will remain the economic engine of England and Wales, but they’ve got a lot of chaff to drag with them. Scotland and NI can and I think probably should bail, and I have no doubt the EU will welcome them in with open arms.

I’m beside myself right now. Absolutely flabbergasted.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:22:39pm

Interesting to see that NI voted by a good margin to stay.

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teleskiguy  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:23:01pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:23:14pm

re: #80 teleskiguy

I have very nice No. 2 pencils for sale. Haven’t even gone through a sharpener yet!

I rode out 2008. I can ride out this. :)

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:23:17pm

re: #73 freetoken

Because petroleum is priced in Dollars, it will run inverse the dollar.

Also petroleum is tied to economic production, gold if anything goes in the other direction. Money only really flees into gold at times like this, when currencies and markets destabilize.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:23:32pm
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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:23:40pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

Interesting to see that NI voted by a good margin to stay.

NI doesn’t look back so fondly on an era before we had close economic ties to encourage us to play nice with each other.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:23:52pm

re: #76 austin_blue

Big question is Northern Ireland.

While Leave got some wins, Remain definitely was dominant, 55-45. So, what happens there? A referendum for the 6 Counties to join the 26?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:24:04pm

re: #78 HappyWarrior

Same here.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:24:13pm

I can’t believe England is going to get its own Trump before we even have a chance to vote on ours.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:24:19pm

re: #86 Ace-o-aces

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The tea they’re so fond of is also an import and so is the gin.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:24:25pm
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austin_blue  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:25:02pm

re: #43 klys (maker of Silmarils)

But we bought tickets for Japan instead of Scotland argh.

Pity. Edinburgh is my favorite city in Europe.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:25:06pm

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

Brexit was not exactly a fact-based movement at any stage.

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Great White Snark  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:25:08pm

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

Also petroleum is tied to economic production, gold if anything goes in the other direction. Money only really flees into gold at times like this, when currencies and markets destabilize.

Well gonna fill up the tank in the morning. It’s gonna be quiet at the office tomorrow. Too quiet.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:25:45pm

re: #88 Ziggy_TARDIS

Big question is Northern Ireland.

While Leave got some wins, Remain definitely was dominant, 55-45. So, what happens there? A referendum for the 6 Counties to join the 26?

I suspect tehre will be three options- either remain part of the UK, join the Irish Republic, or be independent on its own.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:26:17pm

re: #87 Testy Toad T

NI doesn’t look back so fondly on an era before we had close economic ties to encourage us to play nice with each other.

That’s true.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:26:24pm

re: #81 Testy Toad T

London had recently over taken NYC for Premier World city.

That ‘s over.

Scotland is more hosed then NI. If NI votes to join with Ireland, they become part of the EU in a flash. Scotland would take years of negotiations.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:26:28pm

re: #94 Testy Toad T

Brexit was not exactly a fact-based movement at any stage.

It’s purely emotional. Like pretty much damn near everything found in right-wing populist arguments.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:26:44pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:26:48pm

re: #89 Ziggy_TARDIS

Same here.

Knew I’d make a 26 + 6er out of ya wink.

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Belafon  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:27:00pm

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

With charts like this:

You can really tell the Brexit vote was “I got mine, fuck you.”

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William Lewis  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:27:15pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

I suspect tehre will be three options- either remain part of the UK, join the Irish Republic, or be independent on its own.

My money is on the third option due to the religious issues.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:27:37pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

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Don’t they pretty much say the majority in this country who voted for Obama are dumbasses who just wanted free stuff?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:28:25pm

re: #93 austin_blue

Pity. Edinburgh is my favorite city in Europe.

I’ve been. We are going to go at some point, just …reasons.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:28:30pm

re: #103 William Lewis

My money is on the third option due to the religious issues.

I dunno. This isn’t our father’s Ireland. I mean granted still quite conservative on abortion but I will add that despite the wishes of hte RCC, the country overwhelmingly approved SSM last summer.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:29:00pm

I think Scotland will be like, “That’s it, we are done with you crazy motherfuckers!”

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:29:04pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

Ok, then another question.

Population of Northern Ireland is 1.86 million. How viable is that one the World Stage? I would think it would be better to join Ireland outright, as you would be part of a nation of 6.5 million rather than 1.86 million. Have more of a say, and more power.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:29:34pm

re: #103 William Lewis

My money is on the third option due to the religious issues.

There’s a fourth option.

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Belafon  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:29:37pm

I wonder if we’ll start hearing about people saying “I never thought leaving would win or I wouldn’t have voted that way.”

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:29:52pm

re: #102 Belafon

With charts like this:

You can really tell the Brexit vote was “I got mine, fuck you.”

I actually think it was exactly the Trumpenproletariat, which is the scariest thing to me about it. Leave vote was strongly anti-correlated with wealth, and with education. This is all about people who grew up in the 1950s and 1960s when there were ample manufacturing jobs and a healthy blue-collar workforce.

When people feel left behind, and they can’t figure out how to save themselves, they do stupid shit. This was England’s Trump, in issue form rather than personhood, but the fact that it won convincingly makes this one of the scariest nights of my life.

The monster is here, and it is real, and it’s hard to say how far down the pit goes.

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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:30:02pm

re: #81 Testy Toad T

The problem for London is that financial services is a key to its economy, and those are services that are rendered to the EU in a large portion.

I’m sure that there will be many companies in London who can survive the loss of EU customers, but economics being what it will, any decline can snowball into a bigger effect, which we are seeing right now in the markets.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:30:02pm

re: #107 Ace-o-aces

Yeah, Scotland’s out in 2 years.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:30:18pm

re: #108 Ziggy_TARDIS

Ok, then another question.

Population of Northern Ireland is 1.86 million. How viable is that one the World Stage? I would think it would be better to join Ireland outright, as you would be part of a nation of 6.5 million rather than 1.86 million. Have more of a say, and more power.

It really is up to the people there. I imagine it will be a heated issue for sure. I just hope mass violence doesn’t resume again in any case.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:30:31pm

re: #110 Belafon

I wonder if we’ll start hearing about people saying “I never thought leaving would win or I wouldn’t have voted that way.”

More like, “I never thought Leave would win, or I would’ve bothered to go and vote.”

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:30:46pm

re: #102 Belafon

With charts like this:

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You can really tell the Brexit vote was “I got mine, fuck you.”

Except now they don’t have theirs. The older folks most likely to back Leave are the ones who will wake up tomorrow and see their nest eggs decimated as a result. Then, on top of that they’re looking at markedly steeper prices on imported goods and impossibly expensive vacations. They straight up fucked themselves, if the consequences weren’t so serious for everyone it’d almost be funny.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:30:58pm

re: #109 Decatur Deb

There’s a fourth option.

Why yes, I’d love to visit the state of Fermanagh. //

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:31:25pm

The US markets could get real ugly real quick-Jamie Dimon basically said that if Brexit happened the London operations of JPM would lose quite a few heads. Now that its happened, we’ll see if he carries out his threat.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:31:27pm

re: #111 Testy Toad T

I actually think it was exactly the Trumpenproletariat, which is the scariest thing to me about it. Leave vote was strongly anti-correlated with wealth, and with education. This is all about people who grew up in the 1950s and 1960s when there were ample manufacturing jobs and a healthy blue-collar workforce.

When people feel left behind, and they can’t figure out how to save themselves, they do stupid shit. This was England’s Trump, in issue form rather than personhood, but the fact that it won convincingly makes this one of the scariest nights of my life.

The monster is here, and it is real, and it’s hard to say how far down the pit goes.

Bingo.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:31:36pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

Someone who follows Infowars is a great judge of credibility.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:32:33pm
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Ace-o-aces  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:32:35pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:32:42pm

re: #114 HappyWarrior

Out of Pragmatism, I would choose the 26+6 option.

re: #112 freetoken

I am think Paris is going to eat London’s lunch. France’s economy could use a boost, and businesses leaving the UK for the EU, could help Paris and the rest of France.

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Belafon  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:32:53pm

re: #115 Dr Lizardo

More like, “I never thought Leave would win, or I would’ve bothered to go and vote.”

I suspect we’ll hear that, too.

And if I hear either of those thoughts from a Sanders supporter….OK, I don’t know what I’ll do, but I’ll be angry.

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stpaulbear  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:32:55pm

re: #102 Belafon

With charts like this:

You can really tell the Brexit vote was “I got mine, fuck you.”

I saw that and I’m wondering how many 20-somethings will punch their grandparents tomorrow.

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austin_blue  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:33:02pm

re: #88 Ziggy_TARDIS

Big question is Northern Ireland.

While Leave got some wins, Remain definitely was dominant, 55-45. So, what happens there? A referendum for the 6 Counties to join the 26?

Good Lord, man, that will never happen. They will simply vote to remove themselves from the UK and hang their hat with the EU. Reunification with the Irish Republic? Pffft! Those Proddy bastards would rather kill their children than entertain as much as a thought a’ that.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:33:04pm

re: #111 Testy Toad T

I actually think it was exactly the Trumpenproletariat, which is the scariest thing to me about it. Leave vote was strongly anti-correlated with wealth, and with education. This is all about people who grew up in the 1950s and 1960s when there were ample manufacturing jobs and a healthy blue-collar workforce.

When people feel left behind, and they can’t figure out how to save themselves, they do stupid shit. This was England’s Trump, in issue form rather than personhood, but the fact that it won convincingly makes this one of the scariest nights of my life.

The monster is here, and it is real, and it’s hard to say how far down the pit goes.

living in an era of rising racist power has become no longer something we read about in history books

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:33:31pm

re: #108 Ziggy_TARDIS

Ok, then another question.

Population of Northern Ireland is 1.86 million. How viable is that one the World Stage? I would think it would be better to join Ireland outright, as you would be part of a nation of 6.5 million rather than 1.86 million. Have more of a say, and more power.

I guess it depends on how much the Protestants still hate the Catholics.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:33:51pm

re: #123 Ziggy_TARDIS

Out of Pragmatism, I would choose the 26+6 option.

I am think Paris is going to eat London’s lunch. France’s economy could use a boost, and businesses leaving the UK for the EU, could help Paris and the rest of France.

I think that’s probably the best option. Plus a lot of the people there probably already have family in the Republic. At the very least, I think they’ll want to continue to be able to enjoy what they had before tonight.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:33:54pm

re: #126 austin_blue

I’m not so sure.

While it wasn’t Scotland Scale, Remain won in Northern Ireland 55-45.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:33:56pm

re: #126 austin_blue

Good Lord, man, that will never happen. They will simply vote to remove themselves from the UK and hang their hat with the EU. Reunification with the Irish Republic? Pffft! Those Proddy bastards would rather kill their children than entertain as much as a thought a’ that.

Probably not tomorrow. Twenty years from now? I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:34:10pm

re: #123 Ziggy_TARDIS

Out of Pragmatism, I would choose the 26+6 option.

I am think Paris is going to eat London’s lunch. France’s economy could use a boost, and businesses leaving the UK for the EU, could help Paris and the rest of France.

It’ll be Frankfurt that enjoys London’s lunch. It’s the de facto financial capital of the EU….well, it is now, that’s for damned sure.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:34:15pm
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austin_blue  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:35:24pm

re: #98 Ziggy_TARDIS

London had recently over taken NYC for Premier World city.

That ‘s over.

Scotland is more hosed then NI. If NI votes to join with Ireland, they become part of the EU in a flash. Scotland would take years of negotiations.

Nope. Not how it works. Scotland can leave tomorrow. Currency issues will remain, but the countries are fundamentally separate right now.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:35:28pm

re: #127 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

living in an era of rising racist power has become no longer something we read about in history books

And the weird thing is, the history books frame everything as ominous and epic.

The truth is, when you’re inside it, it all just looks so… dumb.

(Maybe humanity’s biggest problem is that evil and stupidity are indistinguishable?)

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stpaulbear  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:36:19pm

re: #110 Belafon

I wonder if we’ll start hearing about people saying “I never thought leaving would win or I wouldn’t have voted that way.”

Hopefully that lightbulb will come on for a lot of American voters. This may be a lesson on how bad it can get.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:36:26pm

And away we go

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:36:45pm

re: #135 Pawn of the Oppressor

Because it is late, this will not get the updings it deserves.

My goodness gracious, does it ever.

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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:36:46pm

Today’s reaction in the markets will subside… and probably everything will smooth out sooner than later.

The real immediate change will be in the political leadership of the UK.

After that, long term loss of economic opportunity… and a few immigrants leaving.

Now the latter is what the xenophobes always wanted. But jobs are created by people having needs, and with fewer people that means less demand. And the immigrants do the lower paying jobs in many cases - agriculture, etc. So the natives will find lower paying jobs available, but not higher paying jobs, like in finances.

It’s such a vicious cycle. And all because the nativists fail to accept the basic reality - the UK is an island nation incapable of producing enough goods for its own people, thus it trades services for goods from the Continent.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:36:57pm

Guessing Yellen won’t raise interest rates again this year, might even drop ‘em by a quarter point.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:37:13pm

In some ways this is interesting, as long as I stay detached.

I missed the 2008 crash; we were in Mexico recovering from salmonella and still trying to play tourist. I came back to the dregs and downward spiral, but not the initial event itself.

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Belafon  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:37:16pm

re: #135 Pawn of the Oppressor

And the weird thing is, the history books frame everything as ominous and epic.

The truth is, when you’re inside it, it all just looks so… dumb.

Dumb isn’t the opposite of ominous and epic. A dumb move could be so large that it is truly epic and does the kind of damage that takes generations to undo. Like feeding white settlers after a harsh winter.

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teleskiguy  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:37:32pm
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Great White Snark  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:38:01pm

Need my eight…

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:38:18pm

re: #139 freetoken

Today’s reaction in the markets will subside… and probably everything will smooth out sooner than later.

The real immediate change will be in the political leadership of the UK.

After that, long term loss of economic opportunity… and a few immigrants leaving.

Now the latter is what the xenophobes always wanted. But jobs are created by people having needs, and with fewer people that means less demand. And the immigrants do the lower paying jobs in many cases - agriculture, etc. So the natives will find lower paying jobs available, but not higher paying jobs, like in finances.

It’s such a vicious cycle. And all because the nativists fail to accept the basic reality - the UK is an island nation incapable of producing enough goods for its own people, thus it trades services for goods from the Continent.

I emphasize this is one of the most optimistic reads on the situation I have seen tonight.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:38:29pm

re: #134 austin_blue

Nope. Not how it works. Scotland can leave tomorrow. Currency issues will remain, but the countries are fundamentally separate right now.

Scotland can leave the UK tomorrow. But they can’t just join the EU because they want to.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:38:30pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:38:32pm

Some friends brought up another place of interest. Gibraltar.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:38:34pm
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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:38:44pm

re: #144 Great White Snark

Need my eight…

Need eight. Not sure I’ll get four.

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Kragar  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:38:46pm
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Shimshon  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:39:18pm

Exit polling had stay 52 to 48. Leave wins 52-48. You can’t explain that.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:39:23pm

re: #146 Big Beautiful Door

Scotland can leave the UK tomorrow. But they can’t just join the EU because they want to.

EU would probably bend over backwards to allow Scotland in though, out of spite at this point if nothing else.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:40:06pm

re: #134 austin_blue

I thought that if Scotland left England, it would have to renegotiate for terms. Is that not correct?

re: #137 Stanley Sea

Very friendly with Putin, he is.

re: #148 HappyWarrior

That’s right, I forgot about that.

And what about the Akrotiri and Dhekelia? That is the reason there is a ceasefire in Cyprus right now.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:40:32pm

re: #153 goddamnedfrank

You do have a point there.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:40:46pm

re: #149 klys (maker of Silmarils)

We are talking about irreversible damage in the context of a completely non-binding and legally powerless referendum: what really amounts to an officially-run opinion poll.

Parliamentary debate is going to be verrrrrrry interesting for the next few weeks, because ultimately the body that actually has the power to push the big red button was already something like 70-30 remain.

I wonder how badly things will have to be burning before they just say ahhh fuck the electorate.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:41:12pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

Some friends brought up another place of interest. Gibraltar.

Extremely bad news for them. Spain is likely to seal the border, devastating Gibraltar’s economy.

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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:41:23pm

re: #145 Testy Toad T

I emphasize this is one of the most optimistic reads on the situation I have seen tonight.

Well, I think it’s good to not over react.

Certainly the likes of Wilders will try to make hay out of this, but the Dutch are not going to commit suicide.

Strangely, this could strengthen the EU once it survives the immediate effects. The UK was always asking for special favors and exceptions, which just muddied the water for any negotiations.

Now without the UK trying to be the special child in the playground, the rest may play together more evenly.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:41:29pm

re: #153 goddamnedfrank

EU would probably bend over backwards to allow Scotland in though, out of spite at this point if nothing else.

Spain might have something to say about emboldening separatist movements, but I suspect Germany would tell them to sit and spin if they want to ever see another Euro again.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:41:37pm

re: #157 Big Beautiful Door

Extremely bad news for them. Spain is likely to seal the border, devastating Gibraltar’s economy.

I also heard Gibraltar was overwhelmingly stay too given that.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:42:20pm

re: #22 freetoken

Well, there is always Canada…

Yeah, we just kicked out our far right loon.

He even tried the “scary Muslims!” tactic and it didn’t work.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:42:25pm

re: #156 Testy Toad T

We are talking about irreversible damage in the context of a completely non-binding and legally powerless referendum: what really amounts to an officially-run opinion poll.

Parliamentary debate is going to be verrrrrrry interesting for the next few weeks, because ultimately the body that actually has the power to push the big red button was already something like 70-30 remain.

I wonder how badly things will have to be burning before they just say ahhh fuck the electorate.

Times like this I really wish I had a channel airing the British Parliament debates.

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BeachDem  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:42:34pm

re: #111 Testy Toad T

I actually think it was exactly the Trumpenproletariat, which is the scariest thing to me about it. Leave vote was strongly anti-correlated with wealth, and with education. This is all about people who grew up in the 1950s and 1960s when there were ample manufacturing jobs and a healthy blue-collar workforce.

When people feel left behind, and they can’t figure out how to save themselves, they do stupid shit. This was England’s Trump, in issue form rather than personhood, but the fact that it won convincingly makes this one of the scariest nights of my life.

The monster is here, and it is real, and it’s hard to say how far down the pit goes.

Yeah, “The Monsters are Due on Maple Street” has been running through my mind tonight.

The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices to be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill, and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all of its own for the children, and the children yet unborn. And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight Zone.

Epilog for “The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street”

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:42:36pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

I also heard Gibraltar was overwhelmingly stay too given that.

Something like 90-10.

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teleskiguy  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:42:50pm
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Belafon  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:42:56pm

I’m guessing a tunnel between Aberdeen and Amsterdam is unfeasible.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:43:10pm

re: #159 Testy Toad T

Spain might have something to say about emboldening separatist movements, but I suspect Germany would tell them to sit and spin if they want to ever see another Euro again.

Spain wants Gibraltar back, they’d just ask the EU to reverse course on that question and back their claims.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:43:19pm

re: #163 BeachDem

Yeah, “The Monsters are Due on Maple Street” has been running through my mind tonight.

The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices to be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill, and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all of its own for the children, and the children yet unborn. And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight Zone.

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We did a rendition of that in seventh grade. I had a role. Was so cool to be able to actually see it all those years later thanks yo YouTube and Netlfix.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:43:30pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

They were. It was 95.9-4.1 in favour of stay.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:43:35pm

re: #164 Testy Toad T

Something like 90-10.

Yeah something crazy high like that.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:43:52pm

re: #169 Ziggy_TARDIS

They were. It was 95.9-4.1 in favour of stay.

Wowie.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:44:30pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:44:31pm

re: #171 HappyWarrior

I’m guessing the 4.1 will be hiding for a while.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:44:45pm

re: #161 Romantic Heretic

Yeah, we just kicked out our far right loon.

He even tried the “scary Muslims!” tactic and it didn’t work.

And elected Prime Minister Dreamy. Canada is the good kid in a class full of hooligans.

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prairiefire  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:45:14pm

re: #70 Shiplord Kirel

Sit tight.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:45:39pm

None of my cousins or their kids have posted anything about this yet on FB. I’m going to be very interested in reading their thoughts on the subject. I strongly suspect they were both in favor of staying though given that my one cousin has actually done a lot to advocate for the refugees. Both are liberal minded in our American politics I know.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:45:41pm

WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!!!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:45:42pm

re: #174 Big Beautiful Door

Honestly, I think I would prefer Trudeau to even Hillary.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:46:18pm
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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:46:38pm

re: #178 Ziggy_TARDIS

Honestly, I think I would prefer Trudeau to even Hillary.

Trudeau is a fabulous PM for Canada. I favor Clinton’s vast experience for our relatively vast set of problems.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:47:08pm

re: #180 Testy Toad T

I do see that point.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:47:23pm

re: #180 Testy Toad T

Trudeau is a fabulous PM for Canada. I favor Clinton’s vast experience for our relatively vast set of problems.

Different leaders for different countries, yes. I do like PM Trudeau though.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:47:29pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:47:42pm

re: #167 goddamnedfrank

Spain wants Gibraltar back, they’d just ask the EU to reverse course on that question and back their claims.

True; Spain wants what is left of the British Empire dismembered so it can get Gibraltar back.

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prairiefire  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:47:47pm

From what I remember of British nationalism when I lived there for a time, I was amazed they joined the EU to begin with.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:48:05pm

Spain’s up shit creek. Again.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:48:46pm

I keep seeing this, figured it’s time to post

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:48:57pm
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MsJ  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:49:03pm

re: #178 Ziggy_TARDIS

Honestly, I think I would prefer Trudeau to even Hillary.

Trudeau has a fraction of the experience as Hillary. I like him a lot, but he’s no Hillary. And Trudeau level experience as head of the US is nuts.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:49:03pm

re: #52 Robert O.

I said much the same thing over at Facebook where one of my friends is discussing this.

In a global economy small nations are irrelevant.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:49:08pm

re: #184 Big Beautiful Door

True; Spain wants what is left of the British Empire dismembered so it can get Gibraltar back.

To be honest, I can’t blame them on that. Hypocritical for me to say an American I know given our history but a lot of British land and peoples were absorbed into the British Empire without the people wanting to be a part of it.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:49:43pm

re: #187 Stanley Sea

Yeah, we have invaded and intervened less than the UK has.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:50:16pm

re: #183 Ace-o-aces

Sweet jumping Jesus.

We are boned.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:50:42pm

re: #188 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I wholeheartedly agree. This is the real stress test.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:51:02pm

re: #193 Testy Toad T

Sweet jumping Jesus.

We are boned.

That’s the satire twitter.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:51:06pm

For the tradition minded, this can lead to the revival of at least one ancient, though not honored, practice: The English and French can revert to their customary state of mutual detestation. Running the Chunnel just got a lot more complicated.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:51:25pm

re: #193 Testy Toad T

That’s a parody account. Note the name…..Denald J. Trump.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:51:28pm

re: #193 Testy Toad T

Sweet jumping Jesus.

We are boned.

Parody account (but a very good one)

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MsJ  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:51:59pm

re: #193 Testy Toad T

Sweet jumping Jesus.

We are boned.

Clueless. Completely and totally.

That anyone is considering voting for that ignoramus makes me want to punch them in
the neck.

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stpaulbear  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:52:04pm

re: #183 Ace-o-aces

It’s like the joke in Spinal Tap about how the opening band was so bad that the audience was still booing when Tap came on stage.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:52:07pm

re: #197 Dr Lizardo

That’s a parody account. Note the name…..Denald J. Trump.

I have to confess I missed that because honestly Trump would be that tone deaf.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:52:12pm

re: #195 Stanley Sea

That’s the satire twitter.

Yay, more Daily Currant crap in my LGF.

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MsJ  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:52:34pm

re: #197 Dr Lizardo

re: #198 Ace-o-aces

Thank god.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:53:03pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:53:04pm

I guess we’ll see whether Nationalism can bring back the Europe we all remember - the one that had a big war about every 20-50 years.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:53:24pm

Ah! Dude posted it again. Here’s the Bernie/Ron Paul convergence.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:53:32pm

re: #192 Ziggy_TARDIS

Yeah, we have invaded and intervened less than the UK has.

We are a younger nation but as I said regarding Gibraltar and the history of Britain absorbing lands and peoples that didn’t want to be part of them.

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jaunte  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:53:44pm

re: #199 MsJ

Clueless. Completely and totally.

That anyone is considering voting for that ignoramus makes me want to punch them in
the neck.

Well, you can’t hurt their head.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:54:35pm

I hope our having to cope with this debacle is not a dress rehearsal for November.

Get Out the Vote.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:54:38pm

re: #206 Stanley Sea

Ah! Dude posted it again. Here’s the Bernie/Ron Paul convergence.

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As I said earlier nothing says revolutionary about a man who has gotten few laws passed despite being in Congress since 1990.

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austin_blue  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:54:52pm

re: #153 goddamnedfrank

EU would probably bend over backwards to allow Scotland in though, out of spite at this point if nothing else.

Yup. Got it in one.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:54:53pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:55:57pm

re: #204 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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So I see British wingnuts operate from the same school as American ones- fuck you I got mine.

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unproven innocence  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:56:04pm

re: #152 Shimshon

Exit polling had stay 52 to 48. Leave wins 52-48. You can’t explain that.

Was the voting electronic, or paper ballots, or a mix?

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prairiefire  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:56:21pm

‘“This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England.” To quote the bard.

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Kragar  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:56:29pm

re: #206 Stanley Sea

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:56:49pm

re: #209 Shiplord Kirel

The promising thing in the US, is that the insecure with person vote portion is much smaller here.

When the Democrats have more control, we need to boost immigration though.

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Kragar  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:56:55pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:57:01pm

It’s very surreal to read my cousin’s daughter (she’s in school) FB post about her final exams on perhaps one of the most important days in her nation’s history.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:57:07pm

re: #214 unproven innocence

A few of them online (Yougov).

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teleskiguy  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:57:20pm

I like books about all human history as far as we know. Guns, Germs & Steel by Jared Diamond really piqued my interest almost a decade ago. My favorite is The Better Angels Of Our Nature by Steven Pinker. Things have always been getting better for average hominids.

I count that as a blessing.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:57:41pm

re: #218 Kragar

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To channel my inner Bill Maher who I admit I don’t like- “New rule, England can’t make fun of the U.S for five years.”

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:57:55pm

re: #214 unproven innocence

Was the voting electronic, or paper ballots, or a mix?

It’s all paper ballots in the UK….much like here in the Czech Republic. I’ve never seen electronic voting machines.

Old school.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:58:35pm

I made a similar observation tonight.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:58:42pm

re: #223 Dr Lizardo

It’s all paper ballots in the UK….much like here in the Czech Republic. I’ve never seen electronic voting machines.

Old school.

What are the Czechs saying about this news? The Czechs have always been a very independent minded people.

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EPR-radar  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:58:53pm

re: #213 HappyWarrior

So I see British wingnuts operate from the same school as American ones- fuck you I got mine.

IGMFY transcends all language barriers.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:58:55pm

re: #223 Dr Lizardo

It’s all paper ballots in the UK….much like here in the Czech Republic. I’ve never seen electronic voting machines.

Old school.

I’ve read that’s some sort of EU mandate. Not sure whether that’s actually true.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:59:15pm

re: #222 HappyWarrior

Considering they just killed the UK tonight, they can’t talk about it, period.

I will note that I have been watching the war in Syria, and the Russian and Assad forces have lost most of their advances on Raqqa. Russia cannot defeat DAESH.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 9:59:19pm

re: #226 EPR-radar

IGMFY transcends all language barriers.

No doubt.

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jaunte  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:00:28pm

It’s all Obama’s fault.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:00:31pm

re: #225 HappyWarrior

What are the Czechs saying about this news? The Czechs have always been a very independent minded people.

Euroskepticism is strong here, but the Czechs are a pragmatic bunch, and they’re not happy with this. I know I’m gonna here all about it during my lessons today; both of my Friday students work in international trade and finance.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:01:10pm

re: #230 jaunte

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It’s all Obama’s fault.

That’s an impressively hot take.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:01:12pm

re: #227 Testy Toad T

I’ve read that’s some sort of EU mandate. Not sure whether that’s actually true.

The Czechs were using paper ballots before they joined the EU. I don’t know whether it’s an EU mandate or not.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:01:13pm

Pound has now gone below 1.33

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:01:15pm

The fact that I’m seeing (not very much) celebration on my facebook is blackly horrifying.

“Woo, this is what freedom looks like!”

I quote a wise lizard:

re: #135 Pawn of the Oppressor

And the weird thing is, the history books frame everything as ominous and epic.

The truth is, when you’re inside it, it all just looks so… dumb.

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jaunte  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:01:46pm

re: #232 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Rube Goldberg Hot

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teleskiguy  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:02:08pm

re: #232 klys (maker of Silmarils)

That’s an impressively hot take.

My head is on fire!
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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:02:11pm

re: #230 jaunte

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It’s all Obama’s fault.

Three commas in a political chain of causal “logic”.

Sorry, I will grant you one.

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Nyet  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:02:20pm

Scotland should leave as soon as possible.
UK should be hung out to dry.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:02:27pm

re: #135 Pawn of the Oppressor

And the weird thing is, the history books frame everything as ominous and epic.

The truth is, when you’re inside it, it all just looks so… dumb.

(Maybe humanity’s biggest problem is that evil and stupidity are indistinguishable?)

The sad fact is that most evil is carried out by people who never decide to be either good or evil. - Hannah Arendt

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:02:28pm

re: #230 jaunte

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It’s all Obama’s fault.

Typical. It’s always Obama’s fault. Nevermind the fact that the GOP presumptive nominee supports this.

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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:02:53pm

BBC now reports the the Leave has enough counted votes to win.

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Belafon  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:03:04pm

re: #230 jaunte

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It’s all Obama’s fault.

Because if the US had dropped bombs, those families would have stayed put. //

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:03:14pm

re: #231 Dr Lizardo

Euroskepticism is strong here, but the Czechs are a pragmatic bunch, and they’re not happy with this. I know I’m gonna here all about it during my lessons today; both of my Friday students work in international trade and finance.

That’s what I figured. Thanks.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:03:15pm

You know what would be hilarious?

When Scotland leaves the UK, if Elizabeth II decided to leave with them to be the Queen of Scotland instead.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:03:54pm

re: #239 Nyet

Yep, NI too.

I guess us and Canada pick up the pieces in the Caribbean that are part of the British overseas territories?

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prairiefire  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:03:59pm

Let’s see how hard Britain tries to prove she was right.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:04:16pm

re: #245 Ziggy_TARDIS

You know what would be hilarious?

When Scotland leaves the UK, if Elizabeth II decided to leave with them to be the Queen of Scotland instead.

Bring back Bonnie Prince Charlie! //

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:04:35pm

re: #247 prairiefire

Let’s see how hard Britain tries to prove she was right.

Much flailing and sputtering ensues.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:04:52pm

Bad timing…

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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:05:14pm

re: #246 Ziggy_TARDIS

Yep, NI too.

I guess us and Canada pick up the pieces in the Caribbean that are part of the British overseas territories?

There’s really no issue here. The UK is still in tact.

Even if someday Northern Ireland and Scotland leave, they won’t lay claim to any overseas islands.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:05:15pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:05:46pm

re: #251 freetoken

There’s really no issue here. The UK is still in tact.

Even if someday Northern Ireland and Scotland leave, they won’t lay claim to any overseas islands.

Yeah I don’t see them doing that either.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:06:41pm

re: #253 HappyWarrior

I was thinking more on the line the UK would not be able to afford the upkeep on these territories.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:06:59pm

re: #251 freetoken

There’s really no issue here. The UK is still in tact.

Even if someday Northern Ireland and Scotland leave, they won’t lay claim to any overseas islands.

In non-military contexts, those islands are more trouble than they’re worth. And I can only imagine about NI, but the Scots have been agitating to have less military involvement for as long as I can remember.

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Frenchy  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:07:34pm

re: #230 jaunte

What in the actual fuck.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:07:51pm

re: #254 Ziggy_TARDIS

I was thinking more on the line the UK would not be able to afford the upkeep on these territories.

i just don’t see the Scots and NI who honestly have large amounts of people who feel they never really got a say if they wanted to be part of the UK in the first place would be eager to take that on. Far as I know, the Irish Republic has no lands it owns outside Irish territory.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:08:00pm

Boy, the Brexiters are going to have a rude awakening in the morning.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:08:23pm

re: #255 Testy Toad T

In non-military contexts, those islands are more trouble than they’re worth. And I can only imagine about NI, but the Scots have been agitating to have less military involvement for as long as I can remember.

Yeah the people in those countries are more dovish than the English are.

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EPR-radar  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:08:32pm

Scotland’s departure is what would most specifically make the UK no longer the UK.

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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:09:35pm

re: #260 EPR-radar

Scotland’s departure is what would most specifically make the UK no longer the UK.

History buff….

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EPR-radar  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:09:56pm

re: #256 Frenchy

A derp deficit between the US and the UK has developed. US wingnuts leap into action.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:10:15pm

re: #257 HappyWarrior

The UK holds several Territories in overseas areas. With the loss of Scotland and much of the financial sector, plus the plausible loss of NI, I think the cost of management for these places may be become a severe drag on the rump UK (England and Wales).

My thinking was they may give them up to either us or Canada.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:10:41pm

re: #260 EPR-radar

Scotland’s departure is what would most specifically make the UK no longer the UK.

No doubt dipshit English nationalist brexiters would be thrilled.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:11:19pm

re: #263 Ziggy_TARDIS

The UK holds several Territories in overseas areas. With the loss of Scotland and much of the financial sector, plus the plausible loss of NI, I think the cost of management for these places may be become a severe drag on the rump UK (England and Wales).

My thinking was they may give them up to either us or Canada.

Isn’t Canada another question mark in itself though since it’s part of the British Commonwealth. If the Scots and Northern Irish leave, what does that mean?

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Belafon  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:12:20pm

London has been slowly rebuilding itself back into a position near the top of the financial world, and was getting close to challenging NYC for the crown. Thus puts a halt to that.

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Nyet  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:12:22pm

re: #251 freetoken

There’s really no issue here. The UK is still in tact.

Pretty sure it is out of tact.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:12:22pm

re: #265 HappyWarrior

Canada has already been drifting from the Commonwealth for a while I think?

Do we have a Canadian on here right now to verify this?

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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:12:34pm

re: #263 Ziggy_TARDIS

I’m still not convinced the Scottish will really leave. Last time they voted it was not for a real separation, more like a symbolic one. They were not going to change currencies, etc.

Now people think that the Scots will go for an even bigger change?

Perhaps, but I don’t know….

The Irish in NI though, that could be a different story.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:13:14pm

re: #266 Belafon

Sandy crippling NYC actually made London the highest rank world city for the last few years.

That’s over. I think Paris will take NYC’s spot.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:13:22pm

re: #262 EPR-radar

A derp deficit between the US and the UK has developed. US wingnuts leap into action.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:14:09pm

re: #269 freetoken

I’m still not convinced the Scottish will really leave. Last time they voted it was not for a real separation, more like a symbolic one. They were not going to change currencies, etc.

Now people think that the Scots will go for an even bigger change?

The Scots voted, some more enthusiastically and some holding their noses, for stability. For the status quo.

And then the English spit in their faces.

I have no doubt the Scots are gone baby gone, even more certainly than Northern Ireland.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:14:16pm

re: #268 Ziggy_TARDIS

Canada has already been drifting from the Commonwealth for a while I think?

Do we have a Canadian on here right now to verify this?

Yeah I think RH is still up.

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Donkey With No Name  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:14:17pm

Watching the BBC feed, it’s painfully obvious that the “Leave” politicians had no concrete plan for what would happen if they won. I rather doubt the sovereigntist-anti-immigration alliance can really stick together for very long (the former seem to basically resent that they can’t be absolute rulers, the latter don’t like the Polish plumbers).

We’ll see how much the world bows over for the English electorate, but I suspect the UK is about to find out that it’s really much less significant in the grand scheme of things than it thinks.

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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:14:31pm

re: #265 HappyWarrior

The Commonwealth transcends political boundaries. It is a heritage thing, with no to little power.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:14:49pm

re: #269 freetoken

I think they will.

They have a huge amount to lose right now, and the margin was fairly close last time.

Now? I think it is a definite, especially with Scotland having gone 62-38 Stay.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:14:58pm

re: #275 freetoken

The Commonwealth transcends political boundaries. It is a heritage thing, with no to little power.

Okay so symbolic pretty much? Thanks.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:15:22pm

re: #273 HappyWarrior

RH, could you verify what I have heard?

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:15:47pm

re: #275 freetoken

The Commonwealth transcends political boundaries. It is a heritage thing, with no to little power.

Moreover, I do not believe the UK has a de jure most-favored status within the Commonwealth.

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EPR-radar  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:15:50pm

re: #269 freetoken

I’m still not convinced the Scottish will really leave. Last time they voted it was not for a real separation, more like a symbolic one. They were not going to change currencies, etc.

Now people think that the Scots will go for an even bigger change?

Perhaps, but I don’t know….

The Irish in NI though, that could be a different story.

I think the left right division in the UK maps onto geography, with Scotland generally tending to be more liberal and England more conservative. If so, and if English conservatives rule with the same level of stupidity as their US counterparts, Scotland will get daily motivations to leave.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:15:56pm

re: #245 Ziggy_TARDIS

You know what would be hilarious?

When Scotland leaves the UK, if Elizabeth II decided to leave with them to be the Queen of Scotland instead.

Except that she made clear during the Scottish referendum that she would do no such thing.

Hope nobody minds the quick post-and-run, but I just dropped by to see what folks are saying. I’ll be back in the morning but in the meantime:

Whatever Brexit means to you, it doesn’t mean the end of the world.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:16:02pm

re: #205 Blind Frog Belly White

Perhaps a reminder of what the last big one cost would have helped.

The Fallen of World War II

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Danack  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:18:03pm

re: #4 Ziggy_TARDIS

This was a racist backlash by the English and the Welsh, and nothing more.

The complete denial that there are non-racist reasons to want to leave the EU, is a condescending attitude that people who have a particular view are “obviously” wrong, and that their actual concerns don’t need to be addressed.

This one of the reasons why the Remain campaign, and the EU in general, were so shite at persuading people to vote Remain.

telegraph.co.uk

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:18:23pm

re: #279 Testy Toad T

This is true.

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Donkey With No Name  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:19:29pm

And I can’t get over Farage’s talk of “decent, real, honest” people voting Leave (apparently 62% of Scotland aren’t those things). Too close to our own nativist rhetoric.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:20:22pm

re: #283 Danack

The complete denial that there are non-racist reasons to want to leave the EU, is a condescending attitude that people who have a particular view are “obviously” wrong, and that their actual concerns don’t need to be addressed.

Right. By no means is every pro-brexit voter a racist, but it sure looks like the racists tended to vote pro-brexit.

There were other reasons, most of which were also dumb, but they weren’t racist and dumb.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:20:31pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:20:38pm

re: #282 Romantic Heretic

Perhaps a reminder of what the last big one cost would have helped.

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Video

Never ceases to fascinate me. BTW I had relatives among both the military and civilian dead in the war. My grandfather’s cousin in Europe was killed when the Axis invaded his country.

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MsJ  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:20:52pm

re: #272 Testy Toad T

The Scots voted, some more enthusiastically and some holding their noses, for stability. For the status quo.

And then the English spit in their faces.

I have no doubt the Scots are gone baby gone, even more certainly than Northern Ireland.

Yup.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:20:53pm

re: #285 Donkey With No Name

And I can’t get over Farage’s talk of “decent, real, honest” people voting Leave (apparently 62% of Scotland aren’t those things). Too close to our own nativist rhetoric.

“Decent, real, honest, white

A bullhorn of a dog whistle.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:22:23pm

I have British roots, but in truth, most of it is Scottish and Irish, and the Welsh I have is mixed with Scottish, and the English I have is mixed with Scottish, Norman, Nordic, and French.

So, go NI and Scotland, go! Find a new future away from idiotic England and Wales!

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EPR-radar  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:22:35pm

re: #283 Danack

The complete denial that there are non-racist reasons to want to leave the EU, is a condescending attitude that people who have a particular view are “obviously” wrong, and that their actual concerns don’t need to be addressed.

This one of the reasons why the Remain campaign, and the EU in general, were so shite at persuading people to vote Remain.

It seems to be impossible to deal with immigration issues in a representative democracy in a civilized way. Xenophobic nativists are very loud, offensive and polarizing.

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Chrysicat  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:23:22pm

re: #33 austin_blue

Don’t forget they’re both native New Yorkers :-P

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:23:45pm

re: #291 Ziggy_TARDIS

I have British roots, but in truth, most of it is Scottish and Irish, and the Welsh I have is mixed with Scottish, and the English I have is mixed with Scottish, Norman, Nordic, and French.

So, go NI and Scotland, go! Find a new future away from idiotic England and Wales!

I’m going to warn you here but you’re slipping into the generalizing again. There were people of nationalities who voted against what their national group in fact did. That said, I hope the same for the Scots and the Northern Irish.

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BeachDem  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:23:58pm

re: #263 Ziggy_TARDIS

The UK holds several Territories in overseas areas. With the loss of Scotland and much of the financial sector, plus the plausible loss of NI, I think the cost of management for these places may be become a severe drag on the rump UK (England and Wales).

My thinking was they may give them up to either us or Canada.

If we get to pick, I want Bermuda! It’s my very favorite place.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:24:02pm

re: #287 Stanley Sea

I think the EU can and will survive this.

The UK won’t.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:24:38pm

re: #295 BeachDem

If we get to pick, I want Bermuda! It’s my very favorite place.

Bermuda, Jamaica, How I wanna. And yes I am tryign to give earworms.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:25:19pm

re: #295 BeachDem

I want Montserrat!

We don’t have enough active Volcanoes in the US! :D

re: #294 HappyWarrior

Yep, having a slight slip. Trying to keep conscious of it.

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Lidane  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:25:35pm
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EPR-radar  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:25:58pm

re: #296 Ziggy_TARDIS

I think the EU can and will survive this.

The UK won’t.

It might end up making things better in the EU to no longer have to deal with all kinds of special deals and considerations for the UK.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:26:04pm

re: #298 Ziggy_TARDIS

Also, since we have the American Virgin Islands, we should get the British ones too.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:26:20pm

re: #300 EPR-radar

That’s what I am thinking.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:26:31pm

re: #298 Ziggy_TARDIS

I want Montserrat!

We don’t have enough active Volcanoes in the US! :D

Yep, having a slight slip. Trying to keep conscious of it.

Glad you realize it. Just yeah realize that there are large numbers of Welsh and English probably horrified by what their countrymen did today. My cousin’s husbands are both English and not xenophobic assholes at all. I have no idea how they voted on this if at all but i know them both to be good men.

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Shimshon  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:26:41pm

If only I didn’t have morals, and had a bit of disposable income, you could have made a killing shorting the pound. I am sure Soros (Peace be upon him) and other currency investors are swimming in money this week.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:27:00pm

re: #300 EPR-radar

It might end up making things better in the EU to no longer have to deal with all kinds of special deals and considerations for the UK.

As I recall, the UK was always in the EU reluctantly anyhow.

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Shimshon  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:27:36pm

re: #303 HappyWarrior

Glad you realize it. Just yeah realize that there are large numbers of Welsh and English probably horrified by what their countrymen did today. My cousin’s husbands are both English and not xenophobic assholes at all. I have no idea how they voted on this if at all but i know them both to be good men.

Didn’t most of Wales vote to exit? From the counts it appears they did. I could be wrong.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:27:48pm

LOL

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Teukka  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:27:54pm

re: #183 Ace-o-aces

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Is the guy psychotic?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:28:10pm

re: #306 Shimshon

Yep, they did.

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teleskiguy  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:28:21pm

First Twitter account I ever followed is @Green_Footballs. In those days it was ‘lizardoid.’

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:28:51pm

re: #307 Ziggy_TARDIS

My response.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:29:05pm

re: #306 Shimshon

Didn’t most of Wales vote to exit? From the counts it appears they did. I could be wrong.

Yeah the Welsh did as did the English. I am just saying not every Welshman and Englishman is jumping for joy with what happened today. I just don’t want Tardis to attack every single English or Welsh person as being a bigot here. He’s had a habit in the past and one that I will say to his credit he’s worked on improving of generalizing certain ethnic groups.

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EPR-radar  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:29:11pm

re: #299 Lidane

That’s getting a bit alarmist. The model for major European wars for centuries has been France vs. Germany. Brexit should have no effect on the chance of France and Germany resuming their traditional forms of entertainment.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:29:21pm

re: #311 Ziggy_TARDIS

Scandinavia wants to love Scotland.

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Shimshon  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:29:38pm

re: #309 Ziggy_TARDIS

Yep, they did.

They’re still my dark horse for the Euros. Can’t go wrong with Welsh Jesus (Ramsey), Bale and Allen.

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Shimshon  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:30:18pm

re: #312 HappyWarrior

Yeah the Welsh did as did the English. I am just saying not every Welshman and Englishman is jumping for joy with what happened today. I just don’t want Tardis to attack every single English or Welsh person as being a bigot here. He’s had a habit in the past and one that I will say to his credit he’s worked on improving of generalizing certain ethnic groups.

Got it. Still rooting for them to win the Euros. A little bitter at the majority of their voters.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:31:32pm

re: #308 Teukka

Is the guy psychotic?

parody acct

Always carefully read the handle to be sure

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:32:04pm

re: #316 Shimshon

Got it. Still rooting for them to win the Euros. A little bitter at the majority of their voters.

Oh yeah, I like the Welsh too. My cousin actually lives in Cardiff. Her husband is English but he speaks Welsh. Even sang Happy Birthday to one of my cousins in Welsh when they were in town for another cousin’s wedding. They’ve been very friendly to my cousin too. It’s hard to believe that she’s been there for close 20 years already.

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austin_blue  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:32:20pm

re: #158 freetoken

Well, I think it’s good to not over react.

Certainly the likes of Wilders will try to make hay out of this, but the Dutch are not going to commit suicide.

Strangely, this could strengthen the EU once it survives the immediate effects. The UK was always asking for special favors and exceptions, which just muddied the water for any negotiations.

Now without the UK trying to be the special child in the playground, the rest may play together more evenly.

This is an excellent point. The UK was allowed to enter the EU and, uniquely, kept its own currency.

On the other hand, Greece, Italy, Spain, and Portugal (aka SPIG) are saddled with the Euro without the support of the equivalent of the Federal Reserve that we have in the US. The SPIG has been like Arizona and Texas in 1986 when the S&L and oil price collapse occurred, without any monetary backup. Imagine if the Fed had said to Texas in 1987 “You’re on your own. Institute economic reforms that will cripple your state for the foreseeable future because we will not provide the support aided by all 50 states to help you through this crisis.” Texas was a basket case by 1987. Real estate fell by 50% by 1988. The only thing that saved the state’s economy was the Resolution Trust Corporation that bought up bankrupt properties, performed environmental site assessments on each and every one of them to ensure there were no intrinsic liabilities on them, and then sold them off as the real estate market slowly recovered. The EU has not done any of this for the SPIG. They have said they must just suffer. It’s the largest problem that the EU has yet to address.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:33:18pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:34:19pm

re: #320 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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I had to laugh at this. I’m sorry. I like the British people quite a bit but they’re going to find out due to their foolishness that nothing lasts forever.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:35:54pm

re: #321 HappyWarrior

I laughed too. :D

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:35:55pm

re: #319 austin_blue

This is an excellent point. The UK was allowed to enter the EU and, uniquely, kept its own currency.

On the other hand, Greece, Italy, Spain, and Portugal (aka SPIG) are saddled with the Euro without the support of the equivalent of the Federal Reserve that we have in the US….

The bleakly funny thing is that when England returns to the Eurozone at some point in the mid-term future (which I figure is likely to go into motion in only a decade or two, once the white working class of the 1960s dies off), there’s no chance they’ll be able to extract those same concessions. The independence of the pound sterling and the euro has probably given the market liquidity that has helped both parties, and it will be stone dead, forever.

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Nyet  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:36:15pm

If the British MPs have any sense, they will not follow the results of this temper tantrum, which is not legally binding. Unlike the regular elections, such large-scale, permanent changes should not be enacted on a whim of 50%+1 voters (which amounts to what, 25% of the population?). 75% seems like the bare minimum.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:36:45pm

re: #314 Ziggy_TARDIS

Scandinavia wants to love Scotland.

They’ve come a long way from the Vikings eh? Just some teasing. I don’t have documented Scandinavian ancestors but I know I definitely got some lurking around somewhere.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:37:02pm

re: #268 Ziggy_TARDIS

Canada has already been drifting from the Commonwealth for a while I think?

Do we have a Canadian on here right now to verify this?

As far as I’m concerned the Commonwealth is something I never think about. I know Canada is part of it but that’s never had any bearing on my life.

It’s been pretty much a nothing burger since we patriated the Constitution in 1982.

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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:38:18pm

One reason why I doubt that Scotland will truly leave the UK and join the EU is because then the border between Scotland and England would have to be controlled.

And I just can’t see them doing that.

Hadrian’s wall isn’t what it used to be.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:38:20pm

re: #326 Romantic Heretic

As far as I’m concerned the Commonwealth is something I never think about. I know Canada is part of it but that’s never had any bearing on my life.

It’s been pretty much a nothing burger since we patriated the Constitution in 1982.

So it’s pretty much something in name only and you guys just operate like how we do in the US but as I recall I think Queen Elizabeth does make some appointments.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:38:46pm

re: #325 HappyWarrior

I wonder, when Scotland gets independence, and probably joins the Nordic Union, would they change their flag? to the Nordic Cross?

They could take the Shetland’s flag, which is simply the Scottish colours in Nordic Pattern.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:39:26pm

Really! It’s economics!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:39:33pm

re: #327 freetoken

At this point, for all we know, the Scots might want Border Control at this point.

The Scots are pissed right now.

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Shimshon  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:39:38pm

re: #15 Ziggy_TARDIS

This also probably spells the end of Doctor Who as well.

I want to get into Doctor Who. There are so many episodes and I never watched it growing up. Where do I start? The 2005 or something beginning of the series? Thanks if anyone has some advice.

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EPR-radar  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:39:54pm

re: #319 austin_blue

This is why I think Greece must leave the EU. No possible consequence of leaving could be as bad as the plan of record, which is debt service and austerity forever.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:39:58pm

re: #329 Ziggy_TARDIS

I wonder, when Scotland gets independence, and probably joins the Nordic Union, would they change their flag? to the Nordic Cross?

They could take the Shetland’s flag, which is simply the Scottish colours in Nordic Pattern.

Not sure honestly.

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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:40:30pm

re: #329 Ziggy_TARDIS

Scotland’s not been part of Nordic anything since, well, since my ancestors controlled the Orkneys. And that was several centuries ago.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:41:50pm
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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:42:12pm

re: #331 Ziggy_TARDIS

Nope, they’re not going to do it. For all their upset, in the end they will just do the semi-independence, i.e., strengthening their own Parliament.

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Donkey With No Name  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:42:25pm

re: #329 Ziggy_TARDIS

I wonder, when Scotland gets independence, and probably joins the Nordic Union, would they change their flag? to the Nordic Cross?

They could take the Shetland’s flag, which is simply the Scottish colours in Nordic Pattern.

Zero chance they lose the Saltire (current flag, blue with diagonal white stripes).

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Testy Toad T  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:42:27pm

re: #324 Nyet

If the British MPs have any sense, they will not follow the results of this temper tantrum, which is not legally binding. Unlike the regular elections, such large-scale, permanent changes should not be enacted on a whim of 50%+1 voters (which amounts to what, 25% of the population?). 75% seems like the bare minimum.

Apparently, the decision is (somehow? what the fuck?) Cameron’s and Cameron’s alone.

He said he’d go with the will of the people. I hope he has a change of heart.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:42:49pm

re: #338 Donkey With No Name

Zero chance they lose the Saltire (current flag, blue with diagonal white stripes).

That’s based on the St. Andrew Cross right?

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harlequinade  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:43:12pm

re: #332 Shimshon

Watch the new stuff. The Old is interesting, in some ways a lot better, but Nu-Who (as the kidz on the interwebs call it) is where it is now.

I love it, but I am/was British, so the running up and down corridors and fighting in quarries is part of my youth.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:43:33pm

re: #332 Shimshon

I would recommend the 11th Doctor’s First Episode, the Eleventh Hour. The era when Davies showran was uneven, and Rose was not a great episode.

Other good intro episodes are Blink, Vincent and the Doctor, and the Snowmen. Listen is decent too, and the entirety of last season was so good it was amazing. Right now, Doctor Who is being put up for Emmy Nominee consideration in 6 categories.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:44:19pm

re: #335 freetoken

You would be surprised. Nordic influences are still very strong in the Orkneys and the Shetlands.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:44:54pm

re: #343 Ziggy_TARDIS

You would be surprised. Nordic influences are still very strong in the Orkneys and the Shetlands.

Yeah but the population centers in Glasgow and Edinburgh are different.

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austin_blue  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:45:00pm

re: #324 Nyet

If the British MPs have any sense, they will not follow the results of this temper tantrum, which is not legally binding. Unlike the regular elections, such large-scale, permanent changes should not be enacted on a whim of 50%+1 voters (which amounts to what, 25% of the population?). 75% seems like the bare minimum.

Well, it seems to me that that leads to total chaos. The Leave vote in England won by around 1.9 million fucking votes. If the MPs don’t validate that fact, there will be hell to pay.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:45:02pm

re: #341 harlequinade

I adore the 2nd, 3th, 4th, and 7th Doctors. 8th is awesome too.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:45:25pm

re: #344 HappyWarrior

True.

I think the Nordic nations just became very happy.

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BeachDem  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:45:45pm

re: #297 HappyWarrior

Bermuda, Jamaica, How I wanna. And yes I am tryign to give earworms.

No comparison in my mind. (earworm aside.) I’ve been to Bermuda 19 times and just love the place.

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Shimshon  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:45:57pm

re: #343 Ziggy_TARDIS

You would be surprised. Nordic influences are still very strong in the Orkneys and the Shetlands.

Not in my EU4 games. I spend diplo points to change that culture and unite Great Britain.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:46:19pm

re: #345 austin_blue

Well, it seems to me that that leads to total chaos. The Leave vote in England won by around 1.9 million fucking votes. If the MPs don’t validate that fact, there will be hell to pay.

I have to agree with that. An attempt to invalidate the results will make things even worse IMO.

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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:46:41pm

re: #345 austin_blue

More like 1.2 million.

And Cornwall has not reported yet. Who knows about them… they’re all probably off on holiday or something…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:46:54pm

re: #348 BeachDem

No comparison in my mind. (earworm aside.) I’ve been to Bermuda 19 times and just love the place.

I really need to make it to the Caribbean one day.

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Donkey With No Name  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:47:17pm

re: #340 HappyWarrior

That’s based on the St. Andrew Cross right?

Yep.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:47:45pm

re: #350 HappyWarrior

I have to agree with that. An attempt to invalidate the results will make things even worse IMO.

The same problem the Republicans face now: an albatross of a candidate backed by a huge number of rank-and-file Republican voters.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:47:48pm

re: #353 Donkey With No Name

Yep.

Thought so.

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harlequinade  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:48:08pm

re: #346 Ziggy_TARDIS

I grew up at the tail end of the third, so Tom Baker was “my” doctor.
But, man, as much as I hated the writing in about 90% of Matt Smith’s run, he is my favourite Doctor. Just watching him in that role was fantastic.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:48:20pm

re: #354 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The same problem the Republicans face now: an albatross of a candidate backed by a huge number of rank-and-file Republican voters.

Yeah it’s scary to think about what will happen with Trump winning or losing.

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austin_blue  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:48:32pm

re: #327 freetoken

One reason why I doubt that Scotland will truly leave the UK and join the EU is because then the border between Scotland and England would have to be controlled.

And I just can’t see them doing that.

Hadrian’s wall isn’t what it used to be.

Joke, right?

The Scots will be gone within a year. They need an open trading cartel in Europe. England, at this point, gives them less than nothing economically.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:48:45pm

re: #351 freetoken

More like 1.2 million.

And Cornwall has not reported yet. Who knows about them… they’re all probably off on holiday or something…

Probably re-watching Poldark to point out all the inconsistencies in language and setting.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:49:27pm

re: #349 Shimshon

I always made sure the Orkneys and Shetlands retained the Nordic flavour.

This the map of my Ancestry in the Old World. It takes me 2 minutes to recite the nations I have ancestry from.

I played as Britain.

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Shimshon  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:50:16pm

re: #342 Ziggy_TARDIS

I would recommend the 11th Doctor’s First Episode, the Eleventh Hour. The era when Davies showran was uneven, and Rose was not a great episode.

Other good intro episodes are Blink, Vincent and the Doctor, and the Snowmen. Listen is decent too, and the entirety of last season was so good it was amazing. Right now, Doctor Who is being put up for Emmy Nominee consideration in 6 categories.

Thank you I will watch Season 5 this weekend. If I start with 5 will I be confused, should I read or watch one episode from previous years to understand everything?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:51:28pm

re: #360 Ziggy_TARDIS

Yes, there is Jewish in my family. I verified an old family legend on my Mom’s side. Appears 400 years ago, in Austria. Which would be Ashkenazic, correct?

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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:51:45pm

Pound is surging… sort of… now over $1.35.

After the shock of this wears off, it will be a slow slodge towards a new government then them negotiating treaties with the EU and all the member states…. Polish leaving the country, and those nasty Czechs too… and the price of oranges and tomatoes from Spain will go up… and then unemployment will start to go up… and then everything gets scarcer.

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Shimshon  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:51:45pm

re: #360 Ziggy_TARDIS

I always made sure the Orkneys and Shetlands retained the Nordic flavour.

This the map of my Ancestry in the Old World. It takes me 2 minutes to recite the nations I have ancestry from.

I played as Britain.

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Nice! I love map painting as either France or England. France has such OP generals I hate taking them on. Usually I give up my holdings as England on the mainland and just concentrate on uniting the Irish and Scottish. I have not played EU4 for a while, mostly HOI4.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:52:52pm

re: #362 Ziggy_TARDIS

Yes, there is Jewish in my family. I verified an old family legend on my Mom’s side. Appears 400 years ago, in Austria. Which would be Ashkenazic, correct?

What test did you take? Ancestry? NatGeo? The ancestry.com test isn’t the best honestly but I took it because of my budget and the fact I could use it with my tree to find other people which I in fact have had some success on.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:53:37pm

re: #304 Shimshon

If only I didn’t have morals, and had a bit of disposable income, you could have made a killing shorting the pound. I am sure Soros (Peace be upon him) and other currency investors are swimming in money this week.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:53:51pm

re: #361 Shimshon

Nope, because Series 5 is sort of a soft reset.

Amy is a great companion, but Clara spoke to me more.

It doesn’t hurt that Jenna Coleman (who supported Remain!) is probably one the ten most beautiful women in the world (All of my friends are women, and many of them I would consider more beautiful than most anyone else. :) )

Wonder what Jenna will do now?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:54:36pm

re: #360 Ziggy_TARDIS

I always made sure the Orkneys and Shetlands retained the Nordic flavour.

This the map of my Ancestry in the Old World. It takes me 2 minutes to recite the nations I have ancestry from.

I played as Britain.

Embedded Image

Like a lot of other lizards here, I’m fascinated by my ancestry. Three-quarters is from three fairly disparate regions of Sweden, and one-quarter from Devon and/or Wales (the actual location is unclear). But going back further, the Devon/Wales branch is clearly Celtic, while my mtDNA probably originated somewhere in the Caucasus region. The rest is unknown, since I don’t have that kind of money for a complete panel yet.

In short, my ancient ancestors were migrants or possibly invaders who pushed aside the local residents after their arrival.

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harlequinade  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:55:00pm

I stunned. I went to bed assuming that the UK would pull it together.
And woke having to decide how soon I’ll need to change nationality, seeing as I live in one European country and work in another.

Scotland will vote for a new referendum. And if they do, they’ll get it this time. Northern Ireland is where we should be looking. What do they do about the border there?
Are we going to see a vote for a united Ireland? Let me find The Guardian thing…

Link

If anything, the Union is going to be a bit shakier for the next few months.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:55:30pm

Oh, so you just flat out lied and your economy is imploding but fuck it a win is a win amirite?

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sagehen  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:55:51pm

re: #157 Big Beautiful Door

Extremely bad news for them. Spain is likely to seal the border, devastating Gibraltar’s economy.

How many Brits are currently living and working on the continent? Do they all get fired tomorrow?

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BeachDem  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:56:33pm

re: #352 HappyWarrior

I really need to make it to the Caribbean one day.

As Bermudians will tell you, Bermuda is not IN the Caribbean!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:56:41pm

re: #369 harlequinade

My condolences. It’s a shitty position to be in.

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harlequinade  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:56:52pm

re: #361 Shimshon

Start with the regeneration of a Doctor, and it’ll be like starting with a clean slate.
Ish.

Ask about Daleks as you go on, and we’ll be happy to tell you everything ;)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:57:01pm

re: #372 BeachDem

As Bermudians will tell you, Bermuda is not IN the Caribbean!

Good to know that.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:57:04pm

re: #328 HappyWarrior

So far as I know the only position she ‘appoints’ is the Governor General of Canada. This person is selected by the Prime Minister and remains in office until they resign or die. They ‘represent the monarchy’ in our government.

The role is almost entirely ceremonial. Their most important role is to prorogue (dissolve) Parliament for elections.

Or should be. Our last Prime Minister, a typical sociopath right winger, shut down Parliament twice and didn’t call an election. Once to let a scandal blow over and once to avoid a vote of non-confidence. The incompetent holding the Governor General’s office at the time granted the motion both times. The second time he didn’t even go to see her as protocol prescribed. He phoned her and she complied.

Grrrrr. I loathe that man.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:57:17pm

re: #371 sagehen

How many Brits are currently living and working on the continent? Do they all get fired tomorrow?

Most of the workers go in the other direction and nothing’s probably going to change until the exit is formalized in a couple years.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:57:21pm

re: #365 HappyWarrior

What test did you take? Ancestry? NatGeo? The ancestry.com test isn’t the best honestly but I took it because of my budget and the fact I could use it with my tree to find other people which I in fact have had some success on.

I’ll horn in here. I participated in the NatGeo DNA study, then ported those results over to FamilyTreeDNA, where I bought upgrades over the last few years. FTDNA occasionally runs discounts, not sure about Ancestry.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:57:30pm

re: #376 Romantic Heretic

So far as I know the only position she ‘appoints’ is the Governor General of Canada. This person is selected by the Prime Minister and remains in office until they resign or die. They ‘represent the monarchy’ in our government.

The role is almost entirely ceremonial. Their most important role is to prorogue (dissolve) Parliament for elections.

Or should be. Our last Prime Minister, a typical sociopath right winger, shut down Parliament twice and didn’t call an election. Once to let a scandal blow over and once to avoid a vote of non-confidence. The incompetent holding the Governor General’s office at the time granted the motion both times. The second time he didn’t even go to see her as protocol prescribed. He phoned her and she complied.

Grrrrr. I loathe that man.

Thanks, understood now.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:58:37pm

re: #365 HappyWarrior

It was actually just going through Genealogy records and making links. Don’t have money for a Blood Test right now.

Besides, for me a Blood Test would look like someone smashed something on Europe, Israel, and Pakistan (With most of my friends being Pakistani as well, I have adopted the mainline Pakistani Maturidi behaviours in being Muslim. My Imam, who is Sushi (Sunni+Shia) (He has 2 Sunni, and 2 Shia Grandparents), is who I imitate in regards to other behaviours.

And, considering the nature of the most eastern areas of the region I come from, it is possible there is even more there, such as Hungarian, Lithuanian, Tatar, Turkish, and Belorussian.

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Lidane  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:58:50pm

re: #358 austin_blue

Joke, right?

The Scots will be gone within a year. They need an open trading cartel in Europe. England, at this point, gives them less than nothing economically.

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Shimshon  Jun 23, 2016 • 10:59:42pm

re: #368 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Like a lot of other lizards here, I’m fascinated by my ancestry. Three-quarters is from three fairly disparate regions of Sweden, and one-quarter from Devon and/or Wales (the actual location is unclear). But going back further, the Devon/Wales branch is clearly Celtic, while my mtDNA probably originated somewhere in the Caucasus region. The rest is unknown, since I don’t have that kind of money for a complete panel yet.

In short, my ancient ancestors were migrants or possibly invaders who pushed aside the local residents after their arrival.

I only know the general area of my parents. Dad was first generation American both his parents from outside Moscow somewhere. Mom more complicated, part American going back to before the Civil War and the rest English I think? I always wanted to look more into it but never was that motivated. I think I’ve told people growing up some wrong things like I do not remember if it was England or Ireland.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:00:04pm

re: #380 Ziggy_TARDIS

It was actually just going through Genealogy records and making links. Don’t have money for a Blood Test right now.

Besides, for me a Blood Test would look like someone smashed something on Europe, Israel, and Pakistan (With most of my friends being Pakistani as well, I have adopted the mainline Pakistani Maturidi behaviours in being Muslim. My Imam, who is Sushi (Sunni+Shia) (He has 2 Sunni, and 2 Shia Grandparents), is who I imitate in regards to other behaviours.

And, considering the nature of the most eastern areas of the region I come from, it is possible there is even more there, such as Hungarian, Lithuanian, Tatar, Turkish, and Belorussian.

National borders don’t mean much as you go back in time, especially in Europe.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:00:05pm

re: #368 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

My family has been on every side of most European Wars going back to the fall of the Roman Empire.

Plus a few in the Middle East.

I think a Genetics test could reveal hilarious things.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:00:23pm

re: #379 HappyWarrior

Thanks, understood now.

Welcome.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:00:44pm

re: #371 sagehen

Millions.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:01:59pm

re: #380 Ziggy_TARDIS

It was actually just going through Genealogy records and making links. Don’t have money for a Blood Test right now.

Besides, for me a Blood Test would look like someone smashed something on Europe, Israel, and Pakistan (With most of my friends being Pakistani as well, I have adopted the mainline Pakistani Maturidi behaviours in being Muslim. My Imam, who is Sushi (Sunni+Shia) (He has 2 Sunni, and 2 Shia Grandparents), is who I imitate in regards to other behaviours.

And, considering the nature of the most eastern areas of the region I come from, it is possible there is even more there, such as Hungarian, Lithuanian, Tatar, Turkish, and Belorussian.

Oh okay, you’re lucky then. I don’t have many European records of all of my family since most of my family lived in very rural parts of Europe that didn’t keep much records. I got very lucky on my dad’s paternal grandfather’s side since some Swiss guy with our surname has been researching people with our last name. He’s not closely related as far as we know but his research got my last name as far back as the late 16th century.

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harlequinade  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:02:31pm

re: #373 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The worst thing? I think we all knew this was going to be the result. Decades of bashing Europe, the mainstreaming casual racism, the utter abandonment of the working class to the far right. This is chickens coming home to roost.

My schadenfreude - and it’s a bitter drink - is that if Europe decides, “You know what, you will need a visa to be here” the refugee crisis the UK faces will be one of its own people.

<insert your expletive of choice>

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:03:08pm

re: #384 Ziggy_TARDIS

My family has been on every side of most European Wars going back to the fall of the Roman Empire.

Plus a few in the Middle East.

I think a Genetics test could reveal hilarious things.

It’s not a blood test, BTW. They send you a couple of cotton swabs in vials, and you rub the insides of your cheeks with them, seal ‘em up and mail ‘em back. A good place to start is your Y-DNA (paternal line only) or mtDNA (maternal line only). FTDNA sometimes has promotions with discounted fees.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:05:08pm

re: #388 harlequinade

We’ll try really hard not to similarly fuck it up.

Or you guys could just keep Trump over there. That’d be okay too.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:05:15pm

re: #389 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Right, meant DNA test.

Still don’t have money for it.

If shit goes bad here, I will go to Scotland or Ireland (a likely reunited Ireland).

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:06:08pm

re: #378 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’ll horn in here. I participated in the NatGeo DNA study, then ported those results over to FamilyTreeDNA, where I bought upgrades over the last few years. FTDNA occasionally runs discounts, not sure about Ancestry.

Thakns. I think I am going to do the NatGeo Test. Ancestry’s test is good and all but it does have its flaws. As you know, there are different types of Slavic groups. I wasn’t shocked at all that my plurality is Eastern European (my mom’s parents are both children of Eastern European immigrants) but while I know I’m Slovene on my maternal grandfather’s side, I’m actually a bit puzzled about my maternal grandmother, nationality wise they lived in what we call Slovakia but they appear to have been Rusyns which are a totally different ethnic group from Slovakians so I don’t know if my ancestors there are predominately Rusyn or Slovak. Also a little confused about my Irish too since I have ancestors from all around Ireland. I think most of them are descendants of the Celts but I don’t know. And the Germans well that’s something in itself. One of my distant cousins was telling me that one of our great times several grandfathers was a Swiss man who emigrated to that part of Germany since he was a religious refugee.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:07:03pm

re: #384 Ziggy_TARDIS

My family has been on every side of most European Wars going back to the fall of the Roman Empire.

Plus a few in the Middle East.

I think a Genetics test could reveal hilarious things.

Cheapest FTDNA tests right now are $69. If you want to know relative percentages of ancestral DNA, then it’s $99.
familytreedna.com

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Lidane  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:07:16pm
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BeachDem  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:07:49pm

re: #370 goddamnedfrank

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Oh, so you just flat out lied and your economy is imploding but fuck it a win is a win amirite?

John Oliver tore that bullshit apart last week:

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Brexit (HBO)

Oliver spent most of the 15-minute segment making the case that a Leave vote is, well, not exactly what those campaigning to leave have made it seem.

For example, Oliver questions the assertion of Boris Johnson, the former London mayor, that EU membership costs the UK £350 million ($512 million) a week.

That claim has already been debunked — the UK gets a £100 million rebate each week, and £85 million of the remaining gets spent in the UK, according to iTV. But Oliver calls Johnson “a man with both the look and economic insight of Bam Bam from ‘The Flintstones.’”

Oliver then suggested a counter to Johnson’s campaign tactic of driving around London in a bus with the £350 million figure posted on the side

businessinsider.com

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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:08:02pm

re: #358 austin_blue

No, no joke.

In the last Scottish nationalist movement, which lost, btw, the terms were barely anything that could be called real “independence”. Sure, the supporters used that term, but I think they were just being sentimental towards that word. They were not willing to separate from the Pound or from any other really important arrangement, like defense forces.

If Scotland wants to be a truly sovereign nation it would have to enforce its border with England, which the xenophobic English would require anyway as the EU Scotland would be open up to all sorts of nasty people from eastern Europe and beyond.

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harlequinade  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:09:42pm

re: #390 klys (maker of Silmarils)

As I’ve always said, there’s a reason I don’t live in the UK anymore. Maybe we could use it as a Trump Trap. Could you revoke his citizenship while he was here?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:09:43pm

re: #393 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Cheapest FTDNA tests right now are $69. If you want to know relative percentages of ancestral DNA, then it’s $99.
familytreedna.com

I think I may go with that one. I’m more curious about the percentages than anything at this point. I have a great idea of where my family came from by and large but I don’t know much about the ethnic make up. Plus there were some trace surprises on my DNA results, about 10% of Greek/Italian and Spanish(Iberian). I’d actually love to see what my niece’s results would be. I’m not sure how long her otehr grandparents’ family has been in Peru but I already know that she’s got some Eastern European from them too as well as Spanish and most definitely indigenous Peruvian.

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Shimshon  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:10:32pm

re: #395 BeachDem

John Oliver tore that bullshit apart last week:

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The UK didn’t allow that episode to play because of the rules about political shows before the election. What a bummer.

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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:10:57pm

re: #398 HappyWarrior

I suspect any American would get more for their money going with ancestry.com… given that is the biggest genealogy company. They just put out a presser about passing 2 million people tested.

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Shimshon  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:11:41pm

re: #398 HappyWarrior

I think I may go with that one. I’m more curious about the percentages than anything at this point. I have a great idea of where my family came from by and large but I don’t know much about the ethnic make up. Plus there were some trace surprises on my DNA results, about 10% of Greek/Italian and Spanish(Iberian). I’d actually love to see what my niece’s results would be. I’m not sure how long her otehr grandparents’ family has been in Peru but I already know that she’s got some Eastern European from them too as well as Spanish and most definitely indigenous Peruvian.

I wish all the NeoNazis in America were forced to take those tests. So many would find they have African and/or Jewish lineage.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:11:53pm

re: #398 HappyWarrior

Faved for when I have moar money.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:12:09pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:12:57pm

re: #397 harlequinade

As I’ve always said, there’s a reason I don’t live in the UK anymore. Maybe we could use it as a Trump Trap. Could you revoke his citizenship while he was here?

It’s a nice dream.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:13:03pm

re: #400 freetoken

I suspect any American would get more for their money going with ancestry.com… given that is the biggest genealogy company. They just put out a presser about passing 2 million people tested.

FTDNA has a deal with myheritage.com. Ancestry is very good, though I’m not keen on them absorbing genealogy.com and Rootsweb — it’s like a Big Genealogy cartel.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:13:14pm

Here’s what the Dow did today…

Blue skies, smiling at me! Nothing but blue skies do I see!

Here’s where the futures were tonite…

WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!

I can’t help thinking about the part in ‘Sin City’, where Dwight has the car full of dead corrupt cops ALMOST in the tar pit, when a couple grenades roll in front of him…

“And everything seemed to be going…SO well…”

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:13:15pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:14:05pm

re: #400 freetoken

I suspect any American would get more for their money going with ancestry.com… given that is the biggest genealogy company. They just put out a presser about passing 2 million people tested.

That one is good but as I said it’s a little vague unfortunately. Now it is great because it matches your tree and common places with other people who haev taken it. And I can vouch for its accuracy, a first cousin and second cousin have both taken the test and matched with me.

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BeachDem  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:15:51pm

re: #397 harlequinade

As I’ve always said, there’s a reason I don’t live in the UK anymore. Maybe we could use it as a Trump Trap. Could you revoke his citizenship while he was here?

I like the way you think! If only.

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austin_blue  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:15:59pm

Are the FTSE and DAX shut down today (Friday)? I should hope so. It will be chaos otherwise.

Well, that’s it for me. England has voted in favor of Boris World and it is going to be a long and bumpy night when this thing gets to the Parliament.

The vote total within England speaks for itself. The vote totals in Scotland and Northern Ireland also speak for themselves. This is the end of the United Kingdom as we have known it.

Night, all. What a fucking pitiful turn of events.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:16:00pm

re: #401 Shimshon

I wish all the NeoNazis in America were forced to take those tests. So many would find they have African and/or Jewish lineage.

Remember this?

Racist Cobb Finds Out He Has Some Black In Him

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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:16:19pm

Oh look… Cornwall finally strolls in…teacup in hand… with the Leaves winning 56.5 to 43.5%, a big win for the Leaves, given the large population (over 320k voted.)

Final total:
17,410,742 VOTES Leave
16,141,241 VOTES Remain

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:17:20pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:17:34pm

Thing I can’t get over is the age gap. The people who are going to live the longest in a post-EU UK are the people who voted the most to remain.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:17:55pm

re: #412 freetoken

Oh look… Cornwall finally strolls in…teacup in hand… with the Leaves winning 56.5 to 43.5%, a big win for the Leaves, given the large population (over 320k voted.)

Final total:
17,410,742 VOTES Leave
16,141,241 VOTES Remain

“Hold my warm beer! Watch this!”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:18:08pm

re: #413 FormerDirtDart

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I’m glad that Jose Canseco and Lindsay Lohan have found their true calling as economists.

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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:18:27pm

re: #408 HappyWarrior

That one is good but as I said it’s a little vague unfortunately.

I think you’ll be disappointed with any ethnicity estimate. After some reading I’ve convinced myself that inheritance just is too random to map one’s deep ancestry to what you might know of your family tree. We only inherit DNA from a small fraction of our ancestors, and the distribution is random.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:18:53pm

Meanwhile, Norway is being a much nicer. They want to give Finland a gift for its 100th Anniversary of Independence.

A Mountain serve as a new high point for Finland. They are trying to figure out a constitutional way to do so.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:20:10pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:20:18pm

re: #417 freetoken

I think you’ll be disappointed with any ethnicity estimate. After some reading I’ve convinced myself that inheritance just is too random to map one’s deep ancestry to what you might know of your family tree. We only inherit DNA from a small fraction of our ancestors, and the distribution is random.

You do have a point there. Honestly, I’m more interested in researching people anyhow and that’s something I am glad I’ve been able to do. Not that I haven’t had my frustrations on that front too i.e. the absence of certain records and dealing with extremely common names.

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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:20:51pm

Pound rally continues, now over $1.37.

Currency traders sure know how to swing.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:20:57pm

re: #419 FormerDirtDart

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Man Obama’s so so screwed the next time he runs as Britain’s PM.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:21:55pm

re: #422 HappyWarrior

Man Obama’s so so screwed the next time he runs as Britain’s PM.

No third term for HIM!

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freetoken  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:22:06pm

re: #420 HappyWarrior

If you’ve found known cousins through DNA testing you’re probably way ahead of the game.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:22:23pm

re: #423 Blind Frog Belly White

No third term for HIM!

He’s never going to be knighted now!

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:22:49pm
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Shimshon  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:23:30pm

re: #411 HappyWarrior

Remember this?

[Embedded content]

PBS POV had a great doc on his klan trying to take over a town in North? Dakota.

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Lidane  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:23:32pm

The responses are worth a look.

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Shimshon  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:24:23pm

re: #414 HappyWarrior

Thing I can’t get over is the age gap. The people who are going to live the longest in a post-EU UK are the people who voted the most to remain.

Old people scared of change are easily manipulated, sounds like America! One of us! One of us!

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BeachDem  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:25:06pm

re: #399 Shimshon

The UK didn’t allow that episode to play because of the rules about political shows before the election. What a bummer.

I saw that—this article says it was going to be shown as soon as the polls closed—wonder what the reaction was when it finally aired.

engadget.com

I thought this was interesting—in reality, Sky appears to be playing everything by the book.

That hasn’t prevented some Twitter users from speculating that Sky owner Rupert Murdoch might have something to do with the decision. While British newspapers The Sunday Times and The Sun, both owned by Murdoch’s News UK, have pledged support to the Leave campaign, The Times editors (who represent the weekday edition) have backed Remain.

And then there’s this—the clip has circulated widely via YouTube. At the time of writing, the programme has passed 3.25 million views on YouTube and 4.2 million views on Facebook, ensuring that many who will tune into the Sky Atlantic broadcast will have already watched it via alternate means.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:25:37pm

re: #424 freetoken

If you’ve found known cousins through DNA testing you’re probably way ahead of the game.

Coolest thing is I think one of the cousin’s great grandparents may have been the family that hosted my great grandfather when he first arrived in the US. A lot of Slovakians went to that part of Pennsylvania and a lot of them were related or knew each other from back home.

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Lidane  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:26:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:26:39pm

re: #427 Shimshon

PBS POV had a great doc on his klan trying to take over a town in North? Dakota.

Need to see that. I just love how the presenter mockingly calls him bro and the other woman laughing her ass off before the results are announced because she just knows Craig is going to be told that he’s part Black.

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Shimshon  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:27:26pm

re: #430 BeachDem

I saw that—this article says it was going to be shown as soon as the polls closed—wonder what the reaction was when it finally aired.

engadget.com

I thought this was interesting—in reality, Sky appears to be playing everything by the book.

That hasn’t prevented some Twitter users from speculating that Sky owner Rupert Murdoch might have something to do with the decision. While British newspapers The Sunday Times and The Sun, both owned by Murdoch’s News UK, have pledged support to the Leave campaign, The Times editors (who represent the weekday edition) have backed Remain.

And then there’s this—the clip has circulated widely via YouTube. At the time of writing, the programme has passed 3.25 million views on YouTube and 4.2 million views on Facebook, ensuring that many who will tune into the Sky Atlantic broadcast will have already watched it via alternate means.

But mostly young people would have watched it on social media sites… and the Brexit leave votes were mostly old people! I blame Oliver for not talking about Brexit sooner.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:27:32pm

re: #429 Shimshon

Old people scared of change are easily manipulated, sounds like America! One of us! One of us!

The ones who voted the most to leave are the ones who grew up hearing tales of The British Empire! and how Mum and Dad pitched in and muddled through while Britain stood alone against Hitler.

436
Shimshon  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:29:24pm

re: #433 HappyWarrior

Need to see that. I just love how the presenter mockingly calls him bro and the other woman laughing her ass off before the results are announced because she just knows Craig is going to be told that he’s part Black.

I love all the PBS documentaries. This was one of their best. “Welcome to Leith”

pbs.org

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:29:52pm

re: #435 Blind Frog Belly White

The ones who voted the most to leave are the ones who grew up hearing tales of The British Empire! and how Mum and Dad pitched in and muddled through while Britain stood alone against Hitler.

Pretty much. It’s nostalgia-tripping.

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Shimshon  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:30:08pm

re: #435 Blind Frog Belly White

The ones who voted the most to leave are the ones who grew up hearing tales of The British Empire! and how Mum and Dad pitched in and muddled through while Britain stood alone against Hitler.

And in America we learned how it was only America that won the war in Europe! Our propaganda is so similar.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:30:34pm

re: #437 Dr Lizardo

Pretty much. It’s nostalgia-tripping.

That seems to be a common theme in conservatism everywhere. Nostalgia for a past that never really was.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:31:06pm

re: #438 Shimshon

And in America we learned how it was only America that won the war in Europe! Our propaganda is so similar.

We’re not so different. Boris Johnson even kills the same rodents for his hair that Trump does.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:31:45pm

I feel dirty for thinking it was neat that Boris Johnson told Romney to FO when Romney bitched about London’s Olympics. I mean fuck Romney still but Boris sucks too.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:35:33pm

re: #441 HappyWarrior

Romney, as much as I hate to say it, is marginally better than Johnson.

I am curious to hear from the Doctor Who crew in the morning. Doctor Who is a BBC things, and with Scotland leaving, and NI likely so, what happens to the BBC and its properties, especially Sherlock and Doctor Who?

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BeachDem  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:36:38pm

re: #434 Shimshon

But mostly young people would have watched it on social media sites… and the Brexit leave votes were mostly old people! I blame Oliver for not talking about Brexit sooner.

Would the same rules have applied about airing it?

I know, I wasn’t totally sure about a lot of the details before, but I thought he did a great job presenting the Remain story.

Good point about who would have watched it—I’m an old, but defy the description (also a Democrat in South Carolina who is neither uninformed nor unconnected to the Internet, but that’s a whole ‘nother story.)

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austin_blue  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:37:20pm

re: #396 freetoken

If Scotland wants to be a truly sovereign nation it would have to enforce its border with England, which the xenophobic English would require anyway as the EU Scotland would be open up to all sorts of nasty people from eastern Europe and beyond.

Well, it already is, which is why the pommies voted for Brexit. But now the rent for the Brits will be 10 billion pounds a year for the Faslane ICBM submarine base. The rent on RAF Lossiemouth and RAF Leuchers will be 2 billion pounds each. Oh, and those 7 retired nuclear submarines in storage south of Dunfermline on the Firth of Forth? 5 billion pounds a year.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:40:21pm

re: #442 Ziggy_TARDIS

Romney, as much as I hate to say it, is marginally better than Johnson.

I am curious to hear from the Doctor Who crew in the morning. Doctor Who is a BBC things, and with Scotland leaving, and NI likely so, what happens to the BBC and its properties, especially Sherlock and Doctor Who?

Yeah I didn’t know he was an ass. Wonder how a guy like that gets elected mayor of London. I mean granted NYC had Rudy but Rudy never really ran for NYC mayor when he was a xenophobic dick like he is now.

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Shimshon  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:41:04pm

re: #443 BeachDem

Would the same rules have applied about airing it?

I know, I wasn’t totally sure about a lot of the details before, but I thought he did a great job presenting the Remain story.

Good point about who would have watched it—I’m an old, but defy the description (also a Democrat in South Carolina who is neither uninformed nor unconnected to the Internet, but that’s a whole ‘nother story.)

There was a cut-off you couldn’t broadcast anything political the week of the polling. If Oliver had that Brexit show the previous Sunday, it could have aired.

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Shimshon  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:42:31pm

re: #445 HappyWarrior

Yeah I didn’t know he was an ass. Wonder how a guy like that gets elected mayor of London. I mean granted NYC had Rudy but Rudy never really ran for NYC mayor when he was a xenophobic dick like he is now.

Instead, Rudy was… confused.

Edit: warning! You cannot ever un-see this!

motherjones.com

BONUS: It has Trump!

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BeachDem  Jun 23, 2016 • 11:54:50pm

re: #446 Shimshon

There was a cut-off you couldn’t broadcast anything political the week of the polling. If Oliver had that Brexit show the previous Sunday, it could have aired.

Damn. That sucks. So print media could go all in with their opinions, but not broadcast.

Wonder what the viewership/demographics are for his show on Sky.

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Shimshon  Jun 24, 2016 • 12:21:25am

re: #448 BeachDem

Damn. That sucks. So print media could go all in with their opinions, but not broadcast.

Wonder what the viewership/demographics are for his show on Sky.

Don’t quote me on this but I think the rule applied to all media, the problem with Oliver is he only presented one side, and you had to give both sides equal time. In the print media, each side was able to print their opinion you couldn’t just broadcast or print one and not the other.

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steve_davis  Jun 24, 2016 • 5:47:21am

re: #59 Great White Snark

Oil is down while gold hits $1325. What’s with that?

oil is priced in dollars internationally. the dollar is becoming very strong against all other currencies, so it takes fewer dollars to control oil purchases.


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