Sarah Palin Applauds Brexit Vote: “The EU Is a One World Government Mini-Me!”

Yearning for the chopping block
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I’m sure many LGF readers have been wondering, “What the heck is half-governor Sarah Palin ‘thinking’ about the Brexit vote?”

Well, wonder no more. Because Caribou Barbie has now weighed in and it’s every bit as ludicrous as you knew it would be. Palin says Brexit reminds her of the Declaration of Independence, because the EU is “a One World Government mini-me,” and she hopes it will lead to a “refreshed spirit of sovereignty spreading over the pond to America’s shores” and put “UN shackles next on the chopping block.”

Yet another bizarre disconnected right wing stream of consciousness rant from the woman who was almost Vice President.

Here’s her Facebook post in its stunningly incoherent entirety:

Facebook Post

And here it is in free verse form, because it’s better that way.

ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT MINI-ME
A Sarah Palin joint

When
in the course of human events
it becomes
necessary

for one people to
dissolve
the political bands
which have connected
them with another…

The UK
knew

it was that time

And now
is that time
in the USA

The Brexit referendum
is akin
to our own
Declaration of Independence

May that refreshed
spirit of sovereignty
spread
over the pond
to America’s shores!

Congratulations, smart Brits!

Good on you
for
ignoring
all the fear mongering
from special
interest globalists
who
tend to
aim for that
apocalyptic
One World Government
that dissolves
a nation’s
self-determination and sovereignty…

The EU being a One World Government mini-me!

America can learn
an encouraging lesson
from this

It is
time
to dissolve
political bands
that connect us
to agendas
not in
our best interest

May UN shackles
be next
on the chopping block!

[sound of frenzied finger snapping]

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793 comments

1
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:14:42pm

I never fail to be amazed at how much more sense she seems to make as beat poetry.

2
No Country For Old Haters  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:14:48pm

You know you’ve fucked up royally when Palin praises what you’ve done.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:16:34pm
And here it is in free verse form, because it’s better that way.

We call that tu Palinate roun dees heah pawts.

4
HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:17:12pm

Words spoken by someone who has no has no idea what the EU actually is and does.

5
No Depression  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:18:06pm
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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:18:25pm

Oh she knows. She can see the UN from her hunting cabin.

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EPR-radar  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:19:01pm

The Palin VP nomination was a clear early warning sign of the complete degeneration of the Republican party into the festering shit geyser that it presently is.

That nomination remains John McCain’s unforgivable act.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:19:05pm

Repeating an earlier rant-
Anyhow, here’s something that’s been bothering me about political debate here in the age of Twitter and social media. So much of debate is reduced to meme form. It dumbs down ideas to reduce ideas to memes. I won’t proclaim to be a great intellectual but a lot of my ideology was shaped by reading, listening to people I respected, and then forming my own opinion. Memes dumb down our ideas and beliefs to crude images with words that aren’t our own. I’m not saying no one should ever use memes to argue but I am seeing it disturbs me that many people see them as a form of debate.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:20:27pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Words spoken by someone who has no has no idea what the EU actually is and does.

I’m really a bit disappointed that she didn’t manage to work George Soros in by name. Yea, she got the Special Interest Globalists and One Worlders in, but without a Soros, it’s just not the same.

I’ll give it a 7.5 out of 10

RBS

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lawhawk  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:21:11pm

Clowns on the left. Joker’s on the right… no seriously. The Joker is on the right. He (Trump) wants to burn it all down and profit from everyone else’s misery.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:21:13pm

re: #8 HappyWarrior

sorta like bumper stickers

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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:21:53pm

Green Party candidate Jill Stein thinks Brexit is great. It’s the far left/far-right wrap-around effect in action again.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:21:59pm

re: #11 SoundGuy 2016

sorta like bumper stickers

Yeah I never liked slogan stickers.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:22:33pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Green Party candidate Jill Stein thinks Brexit is great. It’s the far left/far-right wrap-around effect in action again.

The interesting thing is her British counterparts voted strongly to remain in the EU.

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EPR-radar  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:23:10pm

re: #8 HappyWarrior

Repeating an earlier rant-
Anyhow, here’s something that’s been bothering me about political debate here in the age of Twitter and social media. So much of debate is reduced to meme form. It dumbs down ideas to reduce ideas to memes. I won’t proclaim to be a great intellectual but a lot of my ideology was shaped by reading, listening to people I respected, and then forming my own opinion. Memes dumb down our ideas and beliefs to crude images with words that aren’t our own. I’m not saying no one should ever use memes to argue but I am seeing it disturbs me that many people see them as a form of debate.

IMO, memes are basically the same thing as sound bites and slogans, and those have been around forever. What’s new here is that political campaigns may soon consist of nothing but memes, sound bites etc. It’s a natural path for Trump and the Republicans to follow.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:24:27pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Green Party candidate Jill Stein thinks Brexit is great. It’s the far left/far-right wrap-around effect in action again.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:25:13pm

OT, because.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:25:47pm

I’ve been working on setting up a system to use Double Click for Publishers’ ad server at LGF today. I’m hoping this will help increase revenue, but more importantly shut down some of these abusive ads that occasionally sneak through to some users. We shall see.

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BeachDem  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:26:39pm

re: #2 No Country For Old Haters

You know you’ve fucked up royally when Palin praises what you’ve done.

Since Sarah’s calling up independence declarations (or whatever the fuck she’s talking about, just for you, a Brexit lament:

What comes next?
You’ve been freed
Do you know how hard it is to lead?
You’re on your own
Awesome. Wow
Do you have a clue what happens now?
Oceans rise
Empires fall
It’s much harder when it’s all your call
All alone, across the sea
When your people say they hate you, don’t
Come crawling back to me

Da da da dat da dat da da da
Da ya da
Da da dat
Da da ya da…

You’re on your own…

What Comes Next?

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:26:49pm

re: #15 EPR-radar

IMO, memes are basically the same thing as sound bites and slogans, and those have been around forever. What’s new here is that political campaigns may soon consist of nothing but memes, sound bites etc. It’s a natural path for Trump and the Republicans to follow.

I am trying to find the piece I read a few years ago, that in the 60’s the average sound clip / response from a politician on a news show was in the 2-4 minute range. That now it’s in the 3-7 second range.

I tell people, if your beliefs can fit on a bumper sticker, they aren’t beliefs, they are simply slogans.

RBS

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Stanley Sea  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:26:57pm

Sarah Palin is one of the idiots granted grace. She should never be a voice for anything except for local shopping spots.

re: #7 EPR-radar

The Palin VP nomination was a clear early warning sign of the complete degeneration of the Republican party into the festering shit geyser that it presently is.

That nomination remains John McCain’s unforgivable act.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:29:10pm

Listening to these right wing clowns on Fox News/Business rant on and on about how this was a “defeat for Socialism” shows what a tin ear they have, and the amount of projection they ignorantly broadcast to the world. for Chrissakes, the pro-Brexit movement funded huge placards posted all over buses and city walls proclaiming a vote for Brexit would STRENGTHEN the NHS, as much a Socialist institution as exists in the entire world. Can’t these clowns keep their lying excrement at least a little coherent?

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Lidane  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:29:21pm

John McCain owes the United States a public apology for foisting this nitwit on the rest of us.

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Mattand  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:30:07pm
I’m sure many LGF readers have been wondering, “What the heck is half-governor Sarah Palin ‘thinking’ about the Brexit vote?”

Nope.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:30:08pm

re: #17 Stanley Sea

OT, because.

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I just did. The words standing out to me are about how they left everything behind for an uncertain future. I’ve been thinking about my immigrant ancestors a lot since I’ve been researching them over the past year. I imagine them on ships and knowing that they’d probably never see their home again that had been their ancestral home for generations. Knowing that they’d say good bye to many friends and family for the last time. My second great grandfather was only a boy when his parents left Ireland. I wish he could be here to see what his descendants have accomplished.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:32:09pm
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Reality Based Steve  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:34:47pm

re: #24 Mattand

Nope.

In any kind of a proper and just world, her political career would have ended at being Mayor of a small town, and her greatest accomplishment would be the grand opening of the new Mini-mart / Car Wash out by the new overpass.

RBS

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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:35:37pm
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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:36:19pm

re: #7 EPR-radar

The Palin VP nomination was a clear early warning sign of the complete degeneration of the Republican party into the festering shit geyser that it presently is.

That nomination remains John McCain’s unforgivable act.

I would put endorsing Donald Trump up against that.

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TK-421  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:37:45pm

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:38:10pm

re: #29 Anymouse

I would put endorsing Donald Trump up against that.

True. Honestly McCain’s proven himself to be a pathetic hack. I respect his military service but and I think you’ll agree as a veteran but being a veteran doesn’t give him an excuse to act dishonorable as an elected official.

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No Country For Old Haters  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:40:07pm

re: #27 Reality Based Steve

In any kind of a proper and just world, her political career would have ended at being Mayor of a small town, and her greatest accomplishment would be the grand opening of the new Mini-mart / Car Wash out by the new overpass.

RBS

She just happened to be in the right place at the right time in the Republican party’s Conservative meltdown.

The big question is how do we stop the Republicans from dragging us all down with them?

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:40:14pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Did you send that to FOX News Channel and Matt Drudge, not that either would listen to you, Mr. Johnson?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:41:14pm

re: #32 No Country For Old Haters

She just happened to be in the right place at the right time in the Republican party’s Conservative meltdown.

The big question is how do we stop the Republicans from dragging us all down with them?

It’s hard to say since I think at least 40% of the country is going to blindly vote GOP no matter what maybe even more.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:41:36pm

re: #19 BeachDem

Since Sarah’s calling up independence declarations (or whatever the fuck she’s talking about, just for you, a Brexit lament:

What comes next?
You’ve been freed
Do you know how hard it is to lead?
You’re on your own
Awesome. Wow
Do you have a clue what happens now?
Oceans rise
Empires fall
It’s much harder when it’s all your call
All alone, across the sea
When your people say they hate you, don’t
Come crawling back to me

Da da da dat da dat da da da
Da ya da
Da da dat
Da da ya da…

You’re on your own…

[Embedded content]

Video

Gosh I love this so much.

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lawhawk  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:42:21pm

Ochre tinted half witted dumbass.
Ser Orange of Dumbassery.

Yeah, this election cycle is really bringing out the nicknames…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:42:27pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

I am hoping Trump will be too toxic for enough of them.

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Double Dumbass  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:43:29pm

re: #30 TK-421

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Needs the smoke and aroma of some prime weed.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:43:37pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

…and a scam.

The NHS money thing, the claim it would stem immigration…probably other promises or vague statements that I don’t know about.

Basically, the US right is presenting this as a mandate, the UK far right is presenting this as a mandate, yet to get the votes that had to rely on people not knowing what the consequences were.

Now maybe some of this is on the voters, and some on the “Remain” people not being on the ball explaining…but the “Leave” advocates were perfectly fine with people being misinformed.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:44:01pm

re: #37 Eclectic Cyborg

I am hoping Trump will be too toxic for enough of them.

God I hope so.

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:44:28pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

True. Honestly McCain’s proven himself to be a pathetic hack. I respect his military service but and I think you’ll agree as a veteran but being a veteran doesn’t give him an excuse to act dishonorable as an elected official.

Yup. I don’t know all the details of Senator McCain’s capture and imprisonment in North Vietnam, but he threw that and all veterans’ honour under the bus by endorsing Mr. Trump.

One thing about Senator McCain I keep seeing from various liberal writers is a claim I wish would go away, because it is untrue. That claim amounts to John McCain (somehow) caused the USS Forrestal fire.

McCain did no such thing: It was caused by improper loading of Zuni rockets by hand by enlisted personnel, which caused one to misfire and strike a plane that was readying to take off. That pilot was killed in the explosion and fire, along with the Chief that attempted to knock down the fire and save his life with a PKP fire bottle.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:46:15pm

re: #41 Anymouse

Yup. I don’t know all the details of Senator McCain’s capture and imprisonment in North Vietnam, but he threw that and all veterans’ honour under the bus by endorsing Mr. Trump.

One thing about Senator McCain I keep seeing from various liberal writers is a claim I wish would go away, because it is untrue. That claim amounts to John McCain (somehow) caused the USS Forrestal fire.

McCain did no such thing: It was caused by improper loading of Zuni rockets by hand by enlisted personnel, which caused one to misfire and strike a plane that was readying to take off. That pilot was killed in the explosion and fire, along with the Chief that attempted to knock down the fire and save his life with a PKP fire bottle.

Yeah I’d never go after him for that. I hated the way Kerry was treated and I don’t think it’s right for me especially as a non-veteran to attack what happened in his service. His time as a Senator yep we both agree is fair game.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:46:44pm

re: #22 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Listening to these right wing clowns on Fox News/Business rant on and on about how this was a “defeat for Socialism” shows what a tin ear they have, and the amount of projection they ignorantly broadcast to the world. for Chrissakes, the pro-Brexit movement funded huge placards posted all over buses and city walls proclaiming a vote for Brexit would STRENGTHEN the NHS, as much a Socialist institution as exists in the entire world. Can’t these clowns keep their lying excrement at least a little coherent?

@michaeldweiss just laid it out on CNN in clear points how the NHS vote propaganda were LIES. Similar to promising our olds more greater yuuge Medicare. Too bad no one is watching.

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No Country For Old Haters  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:47:43pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

It’s hard to say since I think at least 40% of the country is going to blindly vote GOP no matter what maybe even more.

Unless the Republican party unexpectedly gets its shit together, that needs to change.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:49:10pm

re: #44 No Country For Old Haters

Unless the Republican party unexpectedly gets its shit together, that needs to change.

It does. It really does. The Republican Party at the moment is a truly fucked up party.

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gocart mozart  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:50:44pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:52:22pm

I am very cynical about the Republican Party of the future though. Look, millenials in general may be a more left leaning bunch on the issues but we still have wingnuts and the wingnuts we do have are choosing to enter the Republican Party. Look at Ted Cruz, he’s not that old, he’s younger than Obama was when Obama ran for President but Ted Cruz is among the most reactionary minded people in the party. Marco Rubio likes to portray himself as new and fresh but he’s just as anti-choice, anti-gay, etc as the other Republicans that have alienated people, etc.

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No Depression  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:53:21pm

re: #46 gocart mozart

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Something tells me that Trump had never even heard of the word “temperament” until Hillary Clinton started using it.

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No Country For Old Haters  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:54:55pm

re: #22 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Listening to these right wing clowns on Fox News/Business rant on and on about how this was a “defeat for Socialism” shows what a tin ear they have, and the amount of projection they ignorantly broadcast to the world. for Chrissakes, the pro-Brexit movement funded huge placards posted all over buses and city walls proclaiming a vote for Brexit would STRENGTHEN the NHS, as much a Socialist institution as exists in the entire world. Can’t these clowns keep their lying excrement at least a little coherent?

They say what they’re paid to say. Their job is to distort any story to fit the Conservative narrative. A lot of conservatives are just chuckleheads, but the people at Fox are amoral propagandists who know what they’re doing.

The average American Conservative will never see the ads saying the money should go to the NHS, and will continue to believe whatever the people at Fox tell them to believe.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2016 • 6:58:35pm

Honestly as a student of history, I believe reactions are responded to by other reactions. That is to say as we as a nation and I’d add as a world probably moving more to the left than the right, there’s a counter reaction to move to the right too. We saw this in the 60’s during the Civil Rights years. The KKK made a comeback in the Civil Rights Years as did the CSA flag. That was not a coincidence. A lot of social scientists have observed that things that occur naturally in science also occur in society. So I think Newton’s law happens with societal change.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:02:53pm

Never liked Keane since first being under his command in 1990.
It makes agreeing with him feel dirty…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:03:50pm

re: #51 FormerDirtDart

Never liked Keane since first being under his command in 1990.
It makes agreeing with him feel dirty…

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Blind pig, acorn.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:03:55pm

re: #51 FormerDirtDart

Never liked Keane since first being under his command in 1990.
It makes agreeing with him feel dirty…

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That’s a good thing to many wingnuts. They love them some Putin.

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:14:59pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’d never go after him for that. I hated the way Kerry was treated and I don’t think it’s right for me especially as a non-veteran to attack what happened in his service. His time as a Senator yep we both agree is fair game.

Attacking the actions of a veteran over what they did in the military is fair game if the attack is true. There is nothing wrong with a non-veteran attacking someone over legitimate problems with a person’s military service (similar to NRA hacks claiming non-gun owners can’t attack issues surrounding guns).

A Navy inquiry into the fire right afterwards indicated John McCain was in the next aircraft to the one that was struck, and he barely escaped the ensuing fireball when the A-4 exploded next to him. Senator McCain literally had nothing to do with the fire.

Where the claim comes from is a memo he published over thirty-two years later that said he could not recall all the details of the fire, and that’s where the idea came he started it.

—- —-

I was away; this weekend is the village’s annual party; my neighbour just came by to tell me there were a rash of thefts this evening and I needed to lock my car and shed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:15:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:16:13pm

re: #54 Anymouse

Attacking the actions of a veteran over what they did in the military is fair game if the attack is true. There is nothing wrong with a non-veteran attacking someone over legitimate problems with a person’s military service (similar to NRA hacks claiming non-gun owners can’t attack issues surrounding guns).

A Navy inquiry into the fire right afterwards indicated John McCain was in the next aircraft to the one that was struck, and he barely escaped the ensuing fireball when the A-4 exploded next to him. Senator McCain literally had nothing to do with the fire.

Where the claim comes from is a memo he published over thirty-two years later that said he could not recall all the details of the fire, and that’s where the idea came he started it.

—- —-

I was away; this weekend is the village’s annual party; my neighbour just came by to tell me there were a rash of thefts this evening and I needed to lock my car and shed.

True that. Good to know that for the future when it comes up though.

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teleskiguy  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:17:16pm

Floyd Landis opened a weed store in Colorado.

@FloydLeadville

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:17:23pm

re: #54 Anymouse

Attacking the actions of a veteran over what they did in the military is fair game if the attack is true. There is nothing wrong with a non-veteran attacking someone over legitimate problems with a person’s military service (similar to NRA hacks claiming non-gun owners can’t attack issues surrounding guns).

A Navy inquiry into the fire right afterwards indicated John McCain was in the next aircraft to the one that was struck, and he barely escaped the ensuing fireball when the A-4 exploded next to him. Senator McCain literally had nothing to do with the fire.

Where the claim comes from is a memo he published over thirty-two years later that said he could not recall all the details of the fire, and that’s where the idea came he started it.

—- —-

I was away; this weekend is the village’s annual party; my neighbour just came by to tell me there were a rash of thefts this evening and I needed to lock my car and shed.

What were you planning to shed? Hair? Clothing? Inhibitions?
//////

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gwangung  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:17:56pm

re: #39 The Ghost of a Flea

…and a scam.

The NHS money thing, the claim it would stem immigration…probably other promises or vague statements that I don’t know about.

From balloon-juice…

“The UK, as part of their special arrangement with the EU on border control, maintains a UK Customs and Immigration station at Calais. What this has allowed Britain to do is push their clean area of border security, as in through our checks and checkpoints, not healthy, outward onto the continent. This has prevented an unorganized rush of refugees and asylum seekers from reaching Britain because Britain can stop them in France before they reach British soil thereby making them a problem for the French and the EU states within the Schengen Area. The Mayor of Calais has already called for, and begun seeking, permission from both France and the EU to reassert French sovereignty and immediately close the UK Customs and Immigration officials. If this happens then the actual effect of the successful Leave vote is a 180 degree opposite of what it was supposed to produce.”

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austin_blue  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:19:40pm

re: #57 teleskiguy

Floyd Landis opened a weed store in Colorado.

@FloydLeadville

Well, sure, but is it real weed? That’s the question.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:20:35pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:21:17pm

re: #9 Reality Based Steve

I’m really a bit disappointed that she didn’t manage to work George Soros in by name. Yea, she got the Special Interest Globalists and One Worlders in, but without a Soros, it’s just not the same.

I’ll give it a 7.5 out of 10

RBS

I’ll give it 8.5, because she worked in the magic dogwhistle for the Juice.

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gwangung  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:21:24pm

Also, this struck me as pretty damn true…

Why Black Voters Are the Most Rational Voters of 2016

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No Country For Old Haters  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:21:56pm

re: #59 gwangung

From balloon-juice…

Oops, reactionary policy backfires again.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:22:48pm

OT: I know it’s a no-no to ask a woman who appears to be pregnant how far along she is, but tonight I saw a clearly pregnant woman smoking outside the grocery store and I was tempted to say something snarky like “you’re a little overweight, so you might want to cut down on the smokes and take up jogging.” But I know that she probably knows and is probably struggling like hell and doesn’t need my snark. All bets are off when I’m a doddering old man, though.

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nines09  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:23:02pm

re: #7 EPR-radar

The Palin VP nomination was a clear early warning sign of the complete degeneration of the Republican party into the festering shit geyser that it presently is.

That nomination remains John McCain’s unforgivable act.

I disagree. Sarah Palin is the proof John McCain don’t know Jack Shit. His unforgivable act, his self inflicted coup de grâce was his endorsement of Cockspittle Tangerine Ballsack after he spit all over Johnny Ambien. Johnny woke up long enough to mumble something about Cheeto Jitstain “apologising” to the Veterans he insulted, and then lapsed into semi unconsciousness with his face buried in his masters massive Orange Ass.
And Johnny never apologised for hauling Sarah Shitstain on the nations stage.
Like sand across a desert road went Johnny’s last shred of dignity.
Goodnight Johnny.

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gwangung  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:24:03pm

re: #64 No Country For Old Haters

Oops, reactionary policy backfires again.

The whole Brexit thing strikes me as the Glorious Shining Example of the Law of Unintended Consequences.

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Great White Snark  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:25:12pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:26:52pm

This is the training film we watched in the US Navy about the Forrestal fire:

Trial by Fire: A Carrier Fights For Life (1973)
“Trial by Fire” 18:44

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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:28:19pm
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Teukka  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:29:25pm

re: #69 Anymouse

This is the training film we watched in the US Navy about the Forrestal fire:

[Embedded content]

“Trial by Fire” 18:44

Upding for old Military info/education reels :)

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:30:10pm

re: #71 Teukka

Upding for old Military info/education reels :)

After introduction, the incident starts about three minutes in.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:31:00pm

just when the gop thought they had trump under control - “don’t make any political speeches unless you clear them with us first!!” - he slips through the cracks by making an asshole out of himself when opening a golf course!!

a fucking golf course ferkissakes

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:31:22pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

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It’s not just Muslims as I’ve said, it’s also Eastern Europeans who are the British’s right’s Hispanics.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:31:29pm

re: #68 Great White Snark

It’s a little weird thinking I may be safer in China than if I returned to the USA for work. If Trump wins, China may well end up the top dog on the world stage, now that Britain has shot itself in the foot.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:32:05pm

Not that I’m not horrified by Muslims being scapegoated and shit, I am, I just want to point out that other groups have been scapegoated by these bigoted fuckers.

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gocart mozart  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:33:10pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:34:13pm

re: #77 gocart mozart

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You know, he’s quietly become one of the better senators. I’ve said it before but I was skeptical when I heard he was running eight years ago but Al’s been great. He also literally supports the troops with more than just empty rhetoric.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:34:34pm

re: #68 Great White Snark

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This whole “Trump could win” thing is so bizarre. Brexit’s foolishness became apparent right away with a global sell-off and the trouncing of the pound. “Trump so fucking called it and even stands to make money off it” shouldn’t be a promotional talking point in any real world scenario, and yet it is for these chumps.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:37:30pm

Hillary Clinton extends lead over Donald Trump to 13.3 points, from 9 points on Tuesday, per Reuters/IPSOS poll

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:37:44pm

re: #75 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It’s a little weird thinking I may be safer in China than if I returned to the USA for work. If Trump wins, China may well end up the top dog on the world stage, now that Britain has shot itself in the foot.

He’ll send Ambassador to the DPRK Dennis Rodman to parlay with the Chinese.

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:37:59pm

re: #71 Teukka

Upding for old Military info/education reels :)

After the Forrestal fire, the Navy decided that every person needed to go through firefighting training. When you are on a ship and there is a fire, there is no place to run.

In the case of the Forrestal, the ship was nearly lost after nine major explosions ripped across the flight deck in the first few minutes.

I’ve had the pleasure of going through both aviation and shipboard firefighting schools and requalifications. (I cannot work for my village volunteer fire department because of epilepsy, so I work there doing things not related to fighting fires, such as cleaning the fire station and serving food during fundraisers.)

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teleskiguy  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:42:32pm
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gwangung  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:42:56pm

re: #80 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Hillary Clinton extends lead over Donald Trump to 13.3 points, from 9 points on Tuesday, per Reuters/IPSOS poll

STEP ON HIS NECK.

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Shimshon  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:43:53pm

Mrs. Palin, can you name 3 countries in the EU?

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:44:23pm

re: #60 austin_blue

Well, sure, but is it real weed? That’s the question.

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:44:50pm

re: #58 Blind Frog Belly White

What were you planning to shed? Hair? Clothing? Inhibitions?
//////

My hair is quite long and sheds all the time. /s

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:46:05pm

re: #81 Barefoot Grin

He’ll send Ambassador to the DPRK Dennis Rodman to parlay with the Chinese.

We’re doomed!!!

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teleskiguy  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:47:36pm

re: #87 Anymouse

My hair is quite long and sheds all the time. /s

Did somebody say long hair?!?

Instagram

Maybe I should get a haircut?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:47:39pm

re: #80 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Hillary Clinton extends lead over Donald Trump to 13.3 points, from 9 points on Tuesday, per Reuters/IPSOS poll

We could be looking at a rout hopefully.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:51:57pm

In1959, a former Republican presidential candidate, Alf Landon, advocated that the US join the newly formed European Common Market. In 1943, another former GOP candidate, Wendell Wilkie, wrote a visionary book, “One World.” In this he described his travels on behalf of his former opponent, President Franklin D. Roosevelt, during the darkest days of World War II, and laid out the case for a future global government that would make such catastophes impossible. These men must be turning over in their graves.

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:55:15pm

re: #91 Shiplord Kirel

In1959, a former Republican presidential candidate, Alf Landon, advocated that the US join the newly formed European Common Market. In 1943, another former GOP candidate, Wendell Wilkie, wrote a visionary book, “One World.” In this he described his travels on behalf of his former opponent, President Frnklin D. Roosevelt, during the darkest days of World War II, and laid out the case for a future global government that would make such catastophes impossible. These men must be turning over in their graves.

Alf Landon also lost in a landslide.

I would like to see Mr. Trump lose in a bigger landslide.

(Just watched the training film on the Forrestal again. Brings back memories of fire fighting training in the Navy. Fortunately, my house isn’t full of AvGas and 1,000 pound bombs, so I don’t have to worry about going down with the house in the Nebraska Sandhills.)

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:57:43pm

re: #85 Shimshon

Mrs. Palin, can you name 3 countries in the EU?

Um, Britain, Russia and China.

One World Government!

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No Country For Old Haters  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:57:48pm

re: #69 Anymouse

This is the training film we watched in the US Navy about the Forrestal fire:

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Video
“Trial by Fire” 18:44

That will make you pay attention to the training.
John McCain was on that flight deck.

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withak  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:58:36pm

I saw my first real live Trump bumper sticker in the wild today.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 24, 2016 • 7:59:19pm

What happens the day after the election? The Trumpsters will panic but it’s a safe bet they won’t grab their bugout bags and flee to Mexico (much to the relief of the Mexicans).

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:01:28pm

re: #94 No Country For Old Haters

That will make you pay attention to the training.
John McCain was on that flight deck.

And barely escaped with his life when the plane next to him exploded.

Senator McCain has been through many things that would have made a lesser man collapse in a ball of Jello. It infuriates me that after Mr. Trump’s insult of his career, he endorsed Mr. Trump.

There is documentary about forty-five minutes long that talks about Senator McCain when he was aboard the ship. The brief interview of Sen. McCain starts about four minutes in, along with others talking about Sen. McCain.

“Situation Critical: USS Forrestal” - Documentary about the tragic 1967 fire

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MsJ  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:03:44pm

re: #84 gwangung

STEP ON HIS NECK.

STOMP ON HIS DICK.

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BeachDem  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:04:12pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

God I hope so.

I turned on CNN tonight (mainly to see Bakari Sellers) and the Trumpeters were saying how great the ignorant fuckmuppet did today—and how this really is going to help him and blah blah blah. Bakari and Bob Beckel looked like they were going to swallow their tongues, but the Trumpeters kept going on. It truly is an alternate universe the right wingers live in. I just hope there are more of us than of them come November or we are in a world of hurt.

I lasted about 3 minutes—a new record for me.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:04:33pm
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Teukka  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:05:11pm

re: #82 Anymouse

After the Forrestal fire, the Navy decided that every person needed to go through firefighting training. When you are on a ship and there is a fire, there is no place to run.

The same is true of confined spaces, such as a submarine, or a subway, basement or bunker you do not know the exits of.
I think everyone should know the basics of what makes Old Man Fire tick. What is the most appropriate to use for what kind of fire, and most importantly recognizing when you’re outgunned by him and it’s time to evac. And what routes there are to evac.
Other important things to know is the layout, and to share it with firefighters.

In the case of the Forrestal, the ship was nearly lost after nine major explosions ripped across the flight deck in the first few minutes.

And took out most of the dedicated fire crews. My personal opinion is that any confined space where evacuation is difficult or impossible, everyone should know how to handle a fire and possible evacuation, not only ships. An evacuation walk is among the first things I do when I arrive at a new place I will be spending any longer time in.

I’ve had the pleasure of going through both aviation and shipboard firefighting schools and requalifications. (I cannot work for my village volunteer fire department because of epilepsy, so I work there doing things not related to fighting fires, such as cleaning the fire station and serving food during fundraisers.)

I walked into one of the Civil Defence firefighting classes here to get my dose of firefighting 101, basically local fire dept teaching civil defence personnel the stuff they need to know if the fecal matter impacts the rotary air distribution apparatus and the FD takes longer than usual to show up. 25 years ago, I still remember it like yesterday.

But then again, one of the first memories I have is sitting on the shoulders of a firefighter after the flat in which I lived had burned. Thank Ghod I was not there that night :(

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:05:39pm

re: #92 Anymouse

I have often expressed the hope that Trump would replace Governor Landon on the biggest losers list, possibly with Ted Cruz to follow in 2020.

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fern01  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:08:18pm

re: #22 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Listening to these right wing clowns on Fox News/Business rant on and on about how this was a “defeat for Socialism” shows what a tin ear they have, and the amount of projection they ignorantly broadcast to the world. for Chrissakes, the pro-Brexit movement funded huge placards posted all over buses and city walls proclaiming a vote for Brexit would STRENGTHEN the NHS, as much a Socialist institution as exists in the entire world. Can’t these clowns keep their lying excrement at least a little coherent?

And it was lies about the EU, money and the NHS that allowed the exit to win & lies by Fox News that keeps republicans in power. People listen & they believe.

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Double Dumbass  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:08:28pm

re: #89 teleskiguy

Did somebody say long hair?!?

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Damn. Even in the ’70s my hair wasn’t that long.

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:10:43pm

re: #101 Teukka

Yup. I only had to fight one shipboard fire (a minor fire in a berthing compartment). That is truly scary how quickly everything becomes opaque and unbreathable.

The Navy goes through regular training on escaping compartments (including staying low so you can breathe and aren’t fried by 700 degree superheated air), checking doors and hatches with the back of a hand before opening them, &c.

I maintain the Standard First Aid qualifications I obtained in the Navy, since you never know when they might be useful. As for getting out of my house, there is no place more than ten feet from a door.

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MsJ  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:11:07pm

re: #95 withak

I saw my first real live Trump bumper sticker in the wild today.

ive seen a couple. But I’m in the wilds close to nowhere MI.

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:13:19pm

re: #104 b_sharp

Damn. Even in the ’70s my hair wasn’t that long.

My hair now only goes down to my waist.

Three years ago at the local bar I raised money for the public library by offering to cut one inch for every $10 raised. The gun shop owner threw in hundreds of dollars to see it done.

Another trustee went to her house to get clippers, and a really drunk barber (along with a drunk me) took to the stage to see me (and my wife) shaved bald. The picture was run in the paper (I also have a copy on my computer).

I get the occasional wag asking me if I would do it again… .

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gocart mozart  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:15:57pm
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Belafon  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:15:58pm

re: #82 Anymouse

After the Forrestal fire, the Navy decided that every person needed to go through firefighting training. When you are on a ship and there is a fire, there is no place to run.

In the case of the Forrestal, the ship was nearly lost after nine major explosions ripped across the flight deck in the first few minutes.

I’ve had the pleasure of going through both aviation and shipboard firefighting schools and requalifications. (I cannot work for my village volunteer fire department because of epilepsy, so I work there doing things not related to fighting fires, such as cleaning the fire station and serving food during fundraisers.)

Do you do a canteen for the fire fighters? Part of the duties of our CERT group is to show up at fires when called by the fire department to provide water, snacks, and a place to rest. We have a tent, and for the summer we have fans that we can hook up to water hoses.

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gocart mozart  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:17:25pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:18:42pm
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Stanley Sea  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:18:56pm

re: #89 teleskiguy

Chop it off. Be free.

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teleskiguy  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:19:56pm

re: #113 Stanley Sea

Chop it off. Be free.

I did! Notice the picture was posted 49 months ago.

It is about that long again. What can I say? I’m a hair farmer.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:20:38pm

re: #114 teleskiguy

I did! Notice the picture was posted 49 months ago.

It is about that long again. What can I say? I’m a hair farmer.

Do you do locks for love?

You should!

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:21:20pm

re: #89 teleskiguy

Did somebody say long hair?!?

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I’m starting to thin out, so I got my long hair cut. Mine came down to about where the shoulder blades are at their closest. Now it’s about 3 inches on top. It took the barber about 40 minutes to cut my hair.

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MsJ  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:23:54pm

re: #115 Stanley Sea

Do you do locks for love?

You should!

Wholly agree! That makes such a difference in so many lives.

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:23:57pm

re: #109 Belafon

Do you do a canteen for the fire fighters? Part of the duties of our CERT group is to show up at fires when called by the fire department to provide water, snacks, and a place to rest. We have a tent, and for the summer we have fans that we can hook up to water hoses.

This area is really rural. There are places I cannot drive my car.

That said, there hasn’t been a really big fire except the Chadron fire in 2012 that had fire departments from every city and village in the Panhandle out fighting it. In that instance, Chadron and Alliance set up canteens for the fire fighters working to control that blaze.

2012 Chadron Fire (Region 23 Complex Fire) (with music of all things, a montage of photos from the Chadron fire, which show how difficult the terrain is there, four minutes).

The smoke from the fire in Chadron burnt over forty square miles, and laid a pall of smoke over my town ninety miles away for days.

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Double Dumbass  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:24:06pm

re: #107 Anymouse

My hair now only goes down to my waist.

Three years ago at the local bar I raised money for the public library by offering to cut one inch for every $10 raised. The gun shop owner threw in hundreds of dollars to see it done.

Another trustee went to her house to get clippers, and a really drunk barber (along with a drunk me) took to the stage to see me (and my wife) shaved bald. The picture was run in the paper (I also have a copy on my computer).

I get the occasional wag asking me if I would do it again… .

In high school my hair was half way down my back, but only when wet. It was so curly it formed ringlets so I was constantly brushing it.

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Double Dumbass  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:25:05pm

re: #116 Belafon

I’m starting to thin out, so I got my long hair cut. Mine came down to about where the shoulder blades are at their closest. Now it’s about 3 inches on top. It took the barber about 40 minutes to cut my hair.

Shave your head. No hair to worry about.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:25:20pm

re: #89 teleskiguy

Did somebody say long hair?!?

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I always wanted to grow my hair long but I wound up looking like Ronald McDonald. One thing that fascinated me about my hair was the way it would always curl the same exact way. I always assumed that curly hair curled at random, but mine always did the exact same thing.

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teleskiguy  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:25:25pm

World Cup telemark ski racer from England I secretly have a crush on responded to me on Twitter.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:26:08pm

re: #119 b_sharp

In high school my hair was half way down my back, but only when wet. It was so curly it formed ringlets so I was constantly brushing it.

Pix, or I call bullshit.

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Double Dumbass  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:26:33pm

re: #122 teleskiguy

World Cup telemark ski racer from England I secretly have a crush on responded to me on Twitter.

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Damn, she’s hot.

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:27:27pm

Locks of Love was embroiled in a corruptions scandal some years ago.

newsfeed.time.com

Pantene (the shampoo company of Proctor & Gamble) set up a non-corrupt version of Locks of Love:

pantene.com

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:27:50pm

re: #119 b_sharp

In high school my hair was half way down my back, but only when wet. It was so curly it formed ringlets so I was constantly brushing it.

Mine forms ringlets too.

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Double Dumbass  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:28:12pm

re: #123 Stanley Sea

Pix, or I call bullshit.

I had 1 pic of me with really long hair that was in my wallet in ‘82. My wallet was stolen.

I’m thinking of growing a single hair really long though.

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:28:23pm

re: #120 b_sharp

Shave your head. No hair to worry about.

I did the shaved head thing in Navy boot camp. No thank you. This cut has made me look a lot younger, so there’s that.

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Double Dumbass  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:28:55pm

re: #126 Anymouse

Mine forms ringlets too.

My ringlets are gone now. Grey hair for some reason doesn’t curl as much.

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teleskiguy  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:30:14pm

re: #124 b_sharp

Damn, she’s hot.

I’ve expressed wishes to ski with her a number of times. We follow each other on Twitter now, so we do have some avenue for communication. She was in Steamboat this last winter for a race. I was working.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:31:08pm

re: #127 b_sharp

I had 1 pic of me with really long hair that was in my wallet in ‘82. My wallet was stolen.

I’m thinking of growing a single hair really long though.

Remember when a rat tail was the hair thing for boys and men?

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SteelPH  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:31:13pm

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:32:43pm

My hair only curls with the help of heat and a copious amount of hairspray. :(

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Double Dumbass  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:32:54pm

re: #131 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Remember when a rat tail was the hair thing for boys and men?

I did that in the ’90s.

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:32:58pm

At some point, I hope the message people get from the Brexit vote is that you don’t stay home and you don’t walk into the voting booth and make some stupid vote hoping others will do the correct thing. There are no statements at the voting booth; the tallies don’t care if yours came with an A+ essay.

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teleskiguy  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:33:40pm

re: #133 klys (maker of Silmarils)

My hair only curls with the help of heat and a copious amount of hairspray. :(

You got hair like mine. Straight, heavy, thick.

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Double Dumbass  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:33:41pm

re: #133 klys (maker of Silmarils)

My hair only curls with the help of heat and a copious amount of hairspray. :(

I stuck a fork in a power outlet when I was 5.

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:34:10pm

re: #131 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Remember when a rat tail was the hair thing for boys and men?

I still see people with it, and some of their kids are wearing them as well.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:34:41pm

I checked up on Rage Furby’s multiple Twitter accounts, expecting a stream of BS about Brexit and Trump. Barely a word. He spent a year moaning and groaning about his lack of Twitter access, finally weaseled his way back onto the platform, and now barely uses it.

Not saying that’s bad, but it shows all the moaning and groaning was theatre and nothing else.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:34:42pm

re: #136 teleskiguy

You got hair like mine. Straight, heavy, thick.

Actually surprisingly not as thick as you would think. I can fit most of the pony tail through one of my rings. My hair is pretty fine (as in thin, not as in quality).

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:35:45pm

re: #138 Belafon

I still see people with it, and some of their kids are wearing them as well.

Like the mullet, it may never go away in certain circles.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:36:52pm

Misogynist in Chief

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:37:18pm

re: #135 Belafon

At some point, I hope the message people get from the Brexit vote is that you don’t stay home and you don’t walk into the voting booth and make some stupid vote hoping others will do the correct thing. There are no statements at the voting booth; the tallies don’t care if yours came with an A+ essay.

To me the message is that governments that refuse to address matters of great public concern effectively are likely to eventually face a reckoning. David Cameron could not or would not address public concerns about immigration and national sovereignty and it has cost him his job.

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:38:13pm
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Dark_Falcon  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:39:05pm

re: #139 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I checked up on Rage Furby’s multiple Twitter accounts, expecting a stream of BS about Brexit and Trump. Barely a word. He spent a year moaning and groaning about his lack of Twitter access, finally weaseled his way back onto the platform, and now barely uses it.

Not saying that’s bad, but it shows all the moaning and groaning was theatre and nothing else.

Upchuck would only have engaged Brexit in order to attack women who were on the ‘Remain’ side.

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austin_blue  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:41:26pm

re: #89 teleskiguy

Did somebody say long hair?!?

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May be time for a cancer kid donation.

If my hair was that long I’d look like a dandelion.

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Double Dumbass  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:41:36pm

re: #138 Belafon

I still see people with it, and some of their kids are wearing them as well.

I could still grow one.

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:41:45pm

From Daily Kos, it seems that even Sanders’ super watered down “endorsement” of Clinton was too much for some:

After giving the weakest of weak support for Clinton by acknowledging that he would vote for her in Nov, Sanders own revolutionaries seem to be beginning to turn on him.

“Disappointment of the century to witness Bernie Sanders telling that he supports Shillary. Run independent Bernie, you are the only hope. Trump rather then Hillary”

“What I want to see is you supporting Jill Stein over Hillary Clinton. Someone who actually has the same values your campaign did. No matter what you say, me and many others will never vote Hillary. At this point I don’t care if Trump wins. Anyone is better than Hillary.”

“I lost all respect for Bernie since he will vote Clinton…..are you kidding me

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teleskiguy  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:43:40pm

re: #146 austin_blue

May be time for a cancer kid donation.

I’ve donated hair for cancer kids seven times since high school.

My hair is getting there right now. Maybe before next ski season I’ll give it the chop.

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Great White Snark  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:44:44pm

re: #122 teleskiguy

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jaunte  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:45:01pm

re: #148 Belafon

“I lost all respect for Bernie since he will vote Clinton…..are you kidding me”

Lost in the diminishing Purity Spiral.

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teleskiguy  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:46:18pm

re: #150 Great White Snark

Right on.

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:46:43pm

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

To me the message is that governments that refuse to address matters of great public concern effectively are likely to eventually face a reckoning. David Cameron could not or would not address public concerns about immigration and national sovereignty and it has cost him his job.

England’s sovereignty was never threatened. This is about white supremacy.

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:47:13pm

re: #148 Belafon

From Daily Kos, it seems that even Sanders’ super watered down “endorsement” of Clinton was too much for some:

It’s much like the PUMA arguments at Kos. I first ran across Daily Kos when those were going on. The Dumpster fire of derp convinced me “nope, this Website’s not for me.” I did not go back to Kos for about six years (when I finally joined to write diaries there).

As far as I can tell, it’s the same sort of derp. Moreover, Markos has been very busy throwing conservative trolls off the site in the last few weeks. I suspect the noise will settle down over there.

Those who are such purists they would allow a Trump win over Clinton would likely not vote for many or any Democrats anyway.

I did note in a comment last night there though that as a former Sanders supporter who is now all in for Mrs. Clinton, the endless “let us tell you why you were wrong” and kick Sanders supporters when they are down is not doing a whole lot for Mrs. Clinton (though to be clear, it is not Mrs. Clinton doing that).

The moonbat Sanders supporters need to be shown the door, and everyone else needs to bury the metaphorical hatchet into Donald Trump, with votes.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:47:17pm

re: #148 Belafon

From Daily Kos, it seems that even Sanders’ super watered down “endorsement” of Clinton was too much for some:

Careful in that cave of moonbats; The guano on the floor is slippery. It’s not as toxic as Upchuck’s floor-poopings, but it still stinks.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:50:19pm

re: #153 Belafon

England’s sovereignty was never threatened. This is about white supremacy.

I don’t agree. Things can be about culture and not about skin color. The vast majority of those people who voted ‘Leave’ did so as Welshmen, English Ladies, or as Britons, not as ‘White People’.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:50:52pm

re: #155 Dark_Falcon

Careful in that cave of moonbats; The guano on the floor is slippery. It’s not as toxic as Upchuck’s floor-poopings, but it still stinks.

Speaking of which, Chuck’s blog has also been quiescent of late. I guess he’s too busy with the WeSearchr scam and trying to suck up to TheDonald.

DKos is nowhere near as bad as his blog, despite the moonbattery.

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:51:40pm

OT: My wife just made the final reservations necessary for our trip to Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and Ontario. She went through our Saskatchewan travel guide we picked up last year to find less pricey hotels than the one we stayed at in Regina. We will be taking a much more rural route through Saskatchewan than the original one we planned that would take us through Regina.

We got our Canadian car insurance cards in the mail, and I got my drugs from the VA, a couple days ago. We’re all set now.

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:52:02pm

re: #154 Anymouse

I mostly like Daily Kos because it really is the largest congregation of left leaning people, and Markos and company do a decent job of keeping it from turning into the left version of RedState on the whole, though any insurgency like they had with Sanders supporters can take a while to get under control. It helps that he controls the main writing space. For about six months there, I just stopped reading most of the diaries and the comments, but it seems to be close to normal.

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stpaulbear  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:52:31pm

re: #121 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I always wanted to grow my hair long but I wound up looking like Ronald McDonald. One thing that fascinated me about my hair was the way it would always curl the same exact way. I always assumed that curly hair curled at random, but mine always did the exact same thing.

In the early 70’s my hair was half way down my back and really straight, but when I’d first start growing it long I wound up with a Ringo flip at the collar. Last winter I just stopped getting haircuts and I was surprised to see that I still have the Ringo flip when it gets to a certain length (I’m very bald on top now, so my hair and beard usually just make an undulating ring around my head).

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:54:20pm

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree. Things can be about culture and not about skin color. The vast majority of those people who voted ‘Leave’ did so as Welshmen, English Ladies, or as Britons, not as ‘White People’.

One of the flyers circulated in advance of the referendum by Nigel Farage and the UKIP was a picture of President Obama, saying he ruined America, don’t let that happen here.

London’s new mayor was heaped upon with racist scorn by UKIP and BNP after he was elected.

The culture not colour argument really doesn’t wash, since the culture being promoted is “anything different than us.” (Muslims, other Europeans, &c.)

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Double Dumbass  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:54:46pm

re: #158 Anymouse

OT: My wife just made the final reservations necessary for our trip to Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and Ontario. She went through our Saskatchewan travel guide we picked up last year to find less pricey hotels than the one we stayed at in Regina. We will be taking a much more rural route through Saskatchewan than the original one we planned that would take us through Regina.

We got our Canadian car insurance cards in the mail, and I got my drugs from the VA, a couple days ago. We’re all set now.

Damn, we could have grabbed a coffee.

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austin_blue  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:55:30pm

re: #122 teleskiguy

World Cup telemark ski racer from England I secretly have a crush on responded to me on Twitter.

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Stalker!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:55:51pm

re: #158 Anymouse

OT: My wife just made the final reservations necessary for our trip to Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and Ontario. She went through our Saskatchewan travel guide we picked up last year to find less pricey hotels than the one we stayed at in Regina. We will be taking a much more rural route through Saskatchewan than the original one we planned that would take us through Regina.

We got our Canadian car insurance cards in the mail, and I got my drugs from the VA, a couple days ago. We’re all set now.

If you happen to pass through Moose Jaw and Assiniboia, wave. Some of my grandma’s relatives may still be in the area. Her father had a shoemaking shop in Moose Jaw around 1905, which is long gone. His sons did not carry on the trade.

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One of my Chinese friends just got married in SK, though I forget which town.

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stpaulbear  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:58:12pm

re: #148 Belafon

It’s only the most stupid of the stupid who will turn against Bernie because he’ll vote for Hillary, and there’s another four months for most of them to give it up. Bernie’s been super slow, but he finally broke that barricade.

Hopefully he won’t do something dumb at the convention.

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:58:14pm

re: #162 b_sharp

Damn, we could have grabbed a coffee.

She has never been to Tim Horton’s (gasp). She wants to go.

I found it humorous that Naval Air Station Oceana in Virginia Beach replaced its Burger King with a Tim Horton’s this year.

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Double Dumbass  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:58:17pm

re: #164 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

If you happen to pass through Moose Jaw and Assiniboia, wave. Some of my grandma’s relatives may still be in the area. Her father had a shoemaking shop in Moose Jaw around 1905, which is long gone. His sons did not carry on the trade.

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One of my Chinese friends just got married in SK, though I forget which town.

I’m surprised most of you know what Saskatchewan is. It’s one of the least consequential provinces in Canada.

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withak  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:58:58pm

re: #161 Anymouse

One of the flyers circulated in advance of the referendum by Nigel Farage and the UKIP was a picture of President Obama, saying he ruined America, don’t let that happen here.

London’s new mayor was heaped upon with racist scorn by UKIP and BNP after he was elected.

The culture not colour argument really doesn’t wash, since the culture being promoted is “anything different than us.” (Muslims, other Europeans, &c.)

I heard interviews with a couple Leave-voters on NPR this morning; for one, his reason was pretty much straight racism, and the other, thinly-veiled racism.

“Culture, not color” is what you’ll hear in polite company.

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austin_blue  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:58:59pm

re: #160 stpaulbear

In the early 70’s my hair was half way down my back and really straight, but when I’d first start growing it long I wound up with a Ringo flip at the collar. Last winter I just stopped getting haircuts and I was surprised to see that I still have the Ringo flip when it gets to a certain length (I’m very bald on top now, so my hair and beard usually just make an undulating ring around my head).

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It’s the rare bear who keeps his head hair.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:59:16pm

re: #160 stpaulbear

In the early 70’s my hair was half way down my back and really straight, but when I’d first start growing it long I wound up with a Ringo flip at the collar. Last winter I just stopped getting haircuts and I was surprised to see that I still have the Ringo flip when it gets to a certain length (I’m very bald on top now, so my hair and beard usually just make an undulating ring around my head).

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Moptops. :-) I remember when the boys’ hair styles were seen as the end of civilization as we know it by older people. Little did they know what awaited them with the hair bands of the ’80s!

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Double Dumbass  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:59:27pm

re: #166 Anymouse

She has never been to Tim Horton’s (gasp). She wants to go.

I found it humorous that Naval Air Station Oceana in Virginia Beach replaced its Burger King with a Tim Horton’s this year.

If you hit Regina at any point, let me know.

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 8:59:37pm

re: #168 withak

I heard interviews with a couple Leave-voters on NPR this morning; for one, his reason was pretty much straight racism, and the other, thinly-veiled racism.

“Culture, not color” is what you’ll hear in polite company.

Something like “heritage, not hate” when referring to the Dixie Swastika.

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:01:48pm

re: #171 b_sharp

If you hit Regina at any point, let me know.

We were in Regina last year. My wife is the trip planner, and she has planned it to pass to the east of the city.

We will stop in Ceylon (about as big as our village) where we stopped last year and spent a couple hours over coffee at the community centre (we sent them a postcard from Nebraska after we got home). We will plod off into the hinterlands a bit north of there, leaving SK-6 for parts unknown.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:01:58pm

re: #167 b_sharp

I’m surprised most of you know what Saskatchewan is. It’s one of the least consequential provinces in Canada.

I thought that was newfie land. ;-)

I’d like to visit Moose Jaw, if only to post a card from there. What a great name for a town! I’d be surprised if my ggfather’s shop is still standing after 110 years, but who knows?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:02:02pm

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree. Things can be about culture and not about skin color. The vast majority of those people who voted ‘Leave’ did so as Welshmen, English Ladies, or as Britons, not as ‘White People’.

No matter how you slice it, it’s xenophobia, the worst form of nationalism, which is in itself already a problem.

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Double Dumbass  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:02:41pm

re: #173 Anymouse

We were in Regina last year. My wife is the trip planner, and she has planned it to pass to the east of the city.

We will stop in Ceylon (about as big as our village) where we stopped last year and spent a couple hours over coffee at the community centre (we sent them a postcard from Nebraska after we got home). We will plod off into the hinterlands a bit north of there, leaving SK-6 for parts unknown.

How far east?

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:02:55pm

re: #165 stpaulbear

It’s only the most stupid of the stupid who will turn against Bernie because he’ll vote for Hillary, and there’s another four months for most of them to give it up. Bernie’s been super slow, but he finally broke that barricade.

Hopefully he won’t do something dumb at the convention.

I think those people are just like the PUMAs of 2008, and like the PUMAs, I don’t consider this to be a big group. From a sociology point of view, these types of people are fascinating. The idea that you would turn on someone you followed because you can’t understand how a nomination and an election works is not strange to me so much as I’m curious what kind of wiring do people have that would cause them to act like this.

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Double Dumbass  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:03:59pm

re: #174 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I thought that was newfie land. ;-)

I’d like to visit Moose Jaw, if only to post a card from there. What a great name for a town! I’d be surprised if my ggfather’s shop is still standing after 110 years, but who knows?

They have a giant moose standing on the edge of the city. Great place for a selfie.

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:05:14pm

re: #167 b_sharp

I’m surprised most of you know what Saskatchewan is. It’s one of the least consequential provinces in Canada.

It’s that big empty space north of Montana (another big empty space), north of Wyoming (the big empty space next to us).

We’re all about big empty spaces around here.

Northern Saskatchewan around here is known as “The Duck Factory” for the huge numbers of ducks that come here from there.

Our ex-mayor brought us a Canada goose he shot some time ago, and it had two bird bands (one on each leg), both from Saskatchewan.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:06:16pm

re: #168 withak

I heard interviews with a couple Leave-voters on NPR this morning; for one, his reason was pretty much straight racism, and the other, thinly-veiled racism.

“Culture, not color” is what you’ll hear in polite company.

“Them boys was miscegenatin’! Izzat yo Cultcha ‘N’ Her’tage? Thass not MAH Cultcha ‘N’ Her’tage!”

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Teukka  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:06:36pm

re: #175 Blind Frog Belly White

No matter how you slice it, it’s xenophobia, the worst form of nationalism, which is in itself already a problem.

Indeed it is. And a serious one.
re: #156 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree. Things can be about culture and not about skin color. The vast majority of those people who voted ‘Leave’ did so as Welshmen, English Ladies, or as Britons, not as ‘White People’.

With all due respect, but you don’t live here. You don’t see the minutiae of the propaganda that has spread here, or know the finer details of the European Union.
It aggravates me to no end to see people who have not the faintest idea of what the European Union is or how it works or how its legislative or executive members are selected cheer #Brexit on.
It’s yet another thing conservatives have knowingly been lied to about by their leaders. And it is far from the worst lies told.

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Double Dumbass  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:06:56pm

re: #179 Anymouse

It’s that big empty space north of Montana (another big empty space), north of Wyoming (the big empty space next to us).

We’re all about big empty spaces around here.

Northern Saskatchewan around here is known as “The Duck Factory” for the huge numbers of ducks that come here from there.

Our ex-mayor brought us a Canada goose he shot some time ago, and it had two bird bands (one on each leg), both from Saskatchewan.

We have to gather and ship out of town 1000s of geese every year.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:08:07pm

re: #175 Blind Frog Belly White

No matter how you slice it, it’s xenophobia, the worst form of nationalism, which is in itself already a problem.

I know I’m not going to convince most folks here, so I’m not going to pursue the point. I’ve tried to argue the use of the suffix ‘phobia’ is overdone, but I’ve not gotten traction on it.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:08:10pm

re: #182 b_sharp

We have to gather and ship out of town 1000s of geese every year.

Build a wall!

Oh, wait …

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:09:06pm

re: #182 b_sharp

We have to gather and ship out of town 1000s of geese every year.

So you ship them to Western Nebraska? What is the postage for that? /s

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:10:53pm

re: #184 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Build a wall!

Oh, wait …

All you have to do is make it ten feet higher.

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stpaulbear  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:11:17pm

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

I know I’m not going to convince most folks here, so I’m not going to pursue the point. I’ve tried to argue the use of the suffix ‘phobia’ is overdone, but I’ve not gotten traction on it.

Dude, you’ve got people who live there trying to tell you what’s going on, and you won’t listen because everyone else is wrong.

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:11:22pm

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

I know I’m not going to convince most folks here, so I’m not going to pursue the point. I’ve tried to argue the use of the suffix ‘phobia’ is overdone, but I’ve not gotten traction on it.

Well, I agree that many things are called “phobias” that are not so, and the suffix is overused for all sorts of things.

That said, xenophobia is well-defined and was the primary driver of the UKIP/BNP drive for “leave.” (Those people are taking your jobs, those people are corrupting our culture, &c. We hear that around the USA sometimes.)

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Teukka  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:12:42pm

re: #187 stpaulbear

Dude, you’ve got people who live there trying to tell you what’s going on, and you won’t listen because everyone else is wrong.

Some people don’t understand until reality bitch-slaps them repeatedly, and some of them not even then, they just end up in a terminal world of make believe.

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withak  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:12:57pm

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

I know I’m not going to convince most folks here, so I’m not going to pursue the point. I’ve tried to argue the use of the suffix ‘phobia’ is overdone, but I’ve not gotten traction on it.

Perhaps because arguing about word suffixes is not an argument worth having.

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:13:33pm

re: #182 b_sharp

By the way, B, I like the name of your Website and the material on it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:13:52pm

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

I know I’m not going to convince most folks here, so I’m not going to pursue the point. I’ve tried to argue the use of the suffix ‘phobia’ is overdone, but I’ve not gotten traction on it.

Nor should you. It’s an unreasoning fear of that which is different. Xeno = different. Phobia = unreasoning fear. Xenophobia.

You don’t like what it’s called, because you want to see it as a virtue not a vice, but it’s what’s been used since forever to consign those outside the majority culture to the worst jobs (“People should be able to hire whoever they want!”), the worst housing (“Folks want to live with those they’re comfortable with”), and substandard schools (“They’ll learn better with Their Own Kind”).

But, oh, we’re not racists! It’s just sheer luck that the people we’re excluding are all easily distinguishable from us!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:14:44pm

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

I know I’m not going to convince most folks here, so I’m not going to pursue the point. I’ve tried to argue the use of the suffix ‘phobia’ is overdone, but I’ve not gotten traction on it.

I’d argue that the Leave campaign was an admixture of people fearing loss of cultural identity and sovereignty, and an increase of non-white&Christian immigrants, and people with the Brits’ age-old mistrust and disdain for the Continent. It’s telling that the people most likely to vote Leave were older and less educated than the Remain voters.

IOW, xenophobia was only part of their motivation. As with some groups here in the States, who see the UN as some kind of threat to American sovereignty, there are groups in the the UK who see the EU as doom for national boundaries and governments.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:15:11pm

re: #187 stpaulbear

Dude, you’ve got people who live there trying to tell you what’s going on, and you won’t listen because everyone else is wrong.

His team told him what to think. Daren’t stray from that or he’ll be thrown off the team.

Mind you, any team that throws you out for thinking differently is not a team any self-respecting person should want to be on.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:15:22pm

re: #190 withak

Perhaps because arguing about word suffixes is not an argument worth having.

Probable not. It’s tough for me to avoid, overly-precise Tuton that I am.

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BeachDem  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:16:05pm

re: #165 stpaulbear

It’s only the most stupid of the stupid who will turn against Bernie because he’ll vote for Hillary, and there’s another four months for most of them to give it up. Bernie’s been super slow, but he finally broke that barricade.

Hopefully he won’t do something dumb at the convention.

He hasn’t broken all the way through yet. This morning, after he said he would vote for Hillary, he went on another show and said he would “most likely” vote for her.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:17:20pm

re: #196 BeachDem

He hasn’t broken all the way through yet. This morning, after he said he would vote for Hillary, he went on another show and said he would “most likely” vote for her.

Bernie should just shut up and go home at this point. He’s not helping.

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jaunte  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:18:37pm

Is there a suffix for loathing?

“Although -phobia is typically associated with fear, it is also used to talk about a dislike. Homophobia is therefore equally applied to a dislike of homosexuals (the more common usage) as the fear of them.

In some cases -pathy can also be used, as in antipathy.

Additionally, mis-, as in misanthropy or misogyny.

Still, phobia is the correct ending.”

english.stackexchange.com

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Double Dumbass  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:19:03pm

re: #185 Anymouse

So you ship them to Western Nebraska? What is the postage for that? /s

C.O.D.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:19:12pm

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

Probable not. It’s tough for me to avoid, overly-precise Tuton that I am.

It’s not overly precise wording. It’s polishing a turd, trying to make small-mindedness seem like something less odious than it is. That’s why you get pushback.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:19:48pm

re: #199 b_sharp

C.O.D.

Shove them in the Keystone Pipeline. Doesn’t that dump out in Nebraska?
//

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Double Dumbass  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:19:53pm

re: #191 Anymouse

By the way, B, I like the name of your Website and the material on it.

Thanks.

I should do more writing.

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:20:21pm

OT: my neighbour came back, saying a thief was picked up by the sheriff here.

We got into a discussion briefly about the upcoming election (he is one of the Republican voters here who will not have anything to do with Donald Trump).

We briefly discussed the death penalty referendum on the ballot. (The governor’s family funded the entire referendum drive to re-institute the death penalty.)

The fear mongering around that is that murder is increasing (it is not) and the death penalty deters crime (it does not). I pointed out that stealing doesn’t deter theft, so why should killing deter murder? He is thinking over his position now; he was a pro-death penalty supporter but now is not so sure.

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gocart mozart  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:20:45pm

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

I know I’m not going to convince most folks here, so I’m not going to pursue the point. I’ve tried to argue the use of the suffix ‘phobia’ is overdone, but I’ve not gotten traction on it.

Ablutophobia- Fear of washing or bathing.
Acarophobia- Fear of itching or of the insects that cause itching.
Acerophobia- Fear of sourness.
Achluophobia- Fear of darkness.
Acousticophobia- Fear of noise.
Acrophobia- Fear of heights.
Aerophobia- Fear of drafts, air swallowing, or airbourne noxious substances.
Aeroacrophobia- Fear of open high places.
Aeronausiphobia- Fear of vomiting secondary to airsickness.
Agateophobia- Fear of insanity.
Agliophobia- Fear of pain.
Agoraphobia- Fear of open spaces or of being in crowded, public places like markets. Fear of leaving a safe place.
Agraphobia- Fear of sexual abuse.
Agrizoophobia- Fear of wild animals.
Agyrophobia- Fear of streets or crossing the street.
Aichmophobia- Fear of needles or pointed objects.
Ailurophobia- Fear of cats.
Albuminurophobia- Fear of kidney disease.
Alektorophobia- Fear of chickens.
Algophobia- Fear of pain.
Alliumphobia- Fear of garlic.
Allodoxaphobia- Fear of opinions.
Altophobia- Fear of heights.
Amathophobia- Fear of dust.
Amaxophobia- Fear of riding in a car.
Ambulophobia- Fear of walking.
Amnesiphobia- Fear of amnesia.
Amychophobia- Fear of scratches or being scratched.
Anablephobia- Fear of looking up.
Ancraophobia- Fear of wind. (Anemophobia)
Androphobia- Fear of men.
Anemophobia- Fear of air drafts or wind.(Ancraophobia)
Anginophobia- Fear of angina, choking or narrowness.
Anglophobia- Fear of England or English culture, etc.
Angrophobia - Fear of anger or of becoming angry.
Ankylophobia- Fear of immobility of a joint.
Anthrophobia or Anthophobia- Fear of flowers.
Anthropophobia- Fear of people or society.
Antlophobia- Fear of floods.
Anuptaphobia- Fear of staying single.
Apeirophobia- Fear of infinity.
Aphenphosmphobia- Fear of being touched. (Haphephobia)
Apiphobia- Fear of bees.
Apotemnophobia- Fear of persons with amputations.
Arachibutyrophobia- Fear of peanut butter sticking to the roof of the mouth.
Arachnephobia or Arachnophobia- Fear of spiders.
Arithmophobia- Fear of numbers.
Arrhenphobia- Fear of men.
Arsonphobia- Fear of fire.
Asthenophobia- Fear of fainting or weakness.
Astraphobia or Astrapophobia- Fear of thunder and lightning.(Ceraunophobia, Keraunophobia)
Astrophobia- Fear of stars or celestial space.
Asymmetriphobia- Fear of asymmetrical things.
Ataxiophobia- Fear of ataxia. (muscular incoordination)
Ataxophobia- Fear of disorder or untidiness.
Atelophobia- Fear of imperfection.
Atephobia- Fear of ruin or ruins.
Athazagoraphobia- Fear of being forgotton or ignored or forgetting.
Atomosophobia- Fear of atomic explosions.
Atychiphobia- Fear of failure.
Aulophobia- Fear of flutes.
Aurophobia- Fear of gold.
Auroraphobia- Fear of Northern lights.
Autodysomophobia- Fear of one that has a vile odor.
Automatonophobia- Fear of ventriloquist’s dummies, animatronic creatures, wax statues - anything that falsly represents a sentient being.
Automysophobia- Fear of being dirty.
Autophobia- Fear of being alone or of oneself.
Aviophobia or Aviatophobia- Fear of flying.

I’m only 1/26th of the way through the alphabet so expect 25 more replies. Do you suffer from Phobophobia (which apparently is a real thing which means fear of phobias. phobialist.com

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:21:23pm

re: #199 b_sharp

C.O.D.

That’s why hunters have to pay for licenses here, to pay of Saskatchewan for shipment of ducks and Canada geese. That makes sense. (::

[edited to remove a stray apostrophe that snuck into my post]

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:22:40pm

re: #204 gocart mozart

My favorite: triskadekaphobia — fear of the number 13

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:22:53pm

re: #204 gocart mozart

Ablutophobia- Fear of washing or bathing.
Acarophobia- Fear of itching or of the insects that cause itching.
Acerophobia- Fear of sourness.
Achluophobia- Fear of darkness.
Acousticophobia- Fear of noise.
Acrophobia- Fear of heights.
Aerophobia- Fear of drafts, air swallowing, or airbourne noxious substances.
Aeroacrophobia- Fear of open high places.
Aeronausiphobia- Fear of vomiting secondary to airsickness.
Agateophobia- Fear of insanity.
Agliophobia- Fear of pain.
Agoraphobia- Fear of open spaces or of being in crowded, public places like markets. Fear of leaving a safe place.
Agraphobia- Fear of sexual abuse.
Agrizoophobia- Fear of wild animals.
Agyrophobia- Fear of streets or crossing the street.
Aichmophobia- Fear of needles or pointed objects.
Ailurophobia- Fear of cats.
Albuminurophobia- Fear of kidney disease.
Alektorophobia- Fear of chickens.
Algophobia- Fear of pain.
Alliumphobia- Fear of garlic.
Allodoxaphobia- Fear of opinions.
Altophobia- Fear of heights.
Amathophobia- Fear of dust.
Amaxophobia- Fear of riding in a car.
Ambulophobia- Fear of walking.
Amnesiphobia- Fear of amnesia.
Amychophobia- Fear of scratches or being scratched.
Anablephobia- Fear of looking up.
Ancraophobia- Fear of wind. (Anemophobia)
Androphobia- Fear of men.
Anemophobia- Fear of air drafts or wind.(Ancraophobia)
Anginophobia- Fear of angina, choking or narrowness.
Anglophobia- Fear of England or English culture, etc.
Angrophobia - Fear of anger or of becoming angry.
Ankylophobia- Fear of immobility of a joint.
Anthrophobia or Anthophobia- Fear of flowers.
Anthropophobia- Fear of people or society.
Antlophobia- Fear of floods.
Anuptaphobia- Fear of staying single.
Apeirophobia- Fear of infinity.
Aphenphosmphobia- Fear of being touched. (Haphephobia)
Apiphobia- Fear of bees.
Apotemnophobia- Fear of persons with amputations.
Arachibutyrophobia- Fear of peanut butter sticking to the roof of the mouth.
Arachnephobia or Arachnophobia- Fear of spiders.
Arithmophobia- Fear of numbers.
Arrhenphobia- Fear of men.
Arsonphobia- Fear of fire.
Asthenophobia- Fear of fainting or weakness.
Astraphobia or Astrapophobia- Fear of thunder and lightning.(Ceraunophobia, Keraunophobia)
Astrophobia- Fear of stars or celestial space.
Asymmetriphobia- Fear of asymmetrical things.
Ataxiophobia- Fear of ataxia. (muscular incoordination)
Ataxophobia- Fear of disorder or untidiness.
Atelophobia- Fear of imperfection.
Atephobia- Fear of ruin or ruins.
Athazagoraphobia- Fear of being forgotton or ignored or forgetting.
Atomosophobia- Fear of atomic explosions.
Atychiphobia- Fear of failure.
Aulophobia- Fear of flutes.
Aurophobia- Fear of gold.
Auroraphobia- Fear of Northern lights.
Autodysomophobia- Fear of one that has a vile odor.
Automatonophobia- Fear of ventriloquist’s dummies, animatronic creatures, wax statues - anything that falsly represents a sentient being.
Automysophobia- Fear of being dirty.
Autophobia- Fear of being alone or of oneself.
Aviophobia or Aviatophobia- Fear of flying.

I’m only 1/26th of the way through the alphabet so expect 25 more replies. Do you suffer from Phobophobia (which apparently is a real thing which means fear of phobias. phobialist.com

Actually, I think I have Pantophobia, the fear of everything.

//////////////////

(And a tip of the hat to Charles M. Schultz.)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:23:42pm

re: #205 Anymouse

That’s why hunter’s have to pay for licenses here, to pay of Saskatchewan for shipment of ducks and Canada geese. That makes sense. (::

Not to mention the fuel costs and rental fees for dropping them out of helicopters for hunters to shoot at.

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:24:40pm

re: #208 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Not to mention the fuel costs and rental fees for dropping them out of helicopters for hunters to shoot at.

As long as the helicopters aren’t black. They might shoot at the helicopters rather than the ducks and geese.

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:24:53pm

re: #208 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Not to mention the fuel costs and rental fees for dropping them out of helicopters for hunters to shoot at.

And taking the time to thaw them out before releasing them.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:24:57pm

re: #208 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Not to mention the fuel costs and rental fees for dropping them out of helicopters for hunters to shoot at.

Just don’t do that with turkeys….

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BeachDem  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:25:17pm

re: #197 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Bernie should just shut up and go home at this point. He’s not helping.

Heh. I had originally ended my post with “I wish he’d just stop talking altogether” but I deleted that line. I totally agree he should just shut up.

He’s still having rallies where people are booing Hillary and he’s just smiling and nodding, and it’s beginning to totally piss me off.

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gwangung  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:25:31pm

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

I know I’m not going to convince most folks here, so I’m not going to pursue the point. I’ve tried to argue the use of the suffix ‘phobia’ is overdone, but I’ve not gotten traction on it.

That’s because you really don’t know what you’re talking about and refuse to listen who do.

This could be remedied, but you consciously choose not to.

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stpaulbear  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:25:54pm

Well it’s about 24 hours away from my birthday. Calendar day is June 25 but I found out a while back that I wasn’t actually born until about 11:20 pm, so now my birthday kind of feels like new year’s eve - it doesn’t actually happen until the day is over. No plans anyway. I was thinking of going to Twin City Pride, but we’ve got a warning for severe weather in the early afternoon.

I bought myself the best old guy gift this week. A 3-pack of bamboo back scratchers. They’re wonderful.

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gocart mozart  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:26:25pm

re: #206 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Peladophobia- Fear of bald people.
Phallophobia- Fear of a penis, esp erect.
Politicophobia- Fear or abnormal dislike of politicians.
Pteronophobia- Fear of being tickled by feathers.
Pupaphobia - Fear of puppets.

Maybe Dark_Falcon has a point.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:27:09pm
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BeachDem  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:27:09pm

re: #198 jaunte

Is there a suffix for loathing?

english.stackexchange.com

Phobia definition:

an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something.

I think it fits.

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Teukka  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:27:17pm

re: #213 gwangung

That’s because you really don’t know what you’re talking about and refuse to listen who do.

This could be remedied, but you consciously choose not to.

It happens when the afflicted party is too deeply invested in needing to be right. The really sad part is that because they choose not to, they end up losing way more than they would’ve if they’d acknowledged the smell of coffee earlier.
EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

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austin_blue  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:27:34pm

re: #209 Anymouse

As long as the helicopters aren’t black. They might shoot at the helicopters rather than the ducks and geese.

Well, sure. You can’t hear them, after all. Sekrit Choppers with blue helmeted pilots. Dropping illegal foreigner waterfall onto American soil.

UNEXIT!!

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:28:05pm

re: #214 stpaulbear

Well it’s about 24 hours away from my birthday. Calendar day is June 25 but I found out a while back that I wasn’t actually born until about 11:20 pm, so now my birthday kind of feels like new year’s eve - it doesn’t actually happen until the day is over. No plans anyway. I was thinking of going to Twin City Pride, but we’ve got a warning for severe weather in the early afternoon.

I bought myself the best old guy gift this week. A 3-pack of bamboo back scratchers. They’re wonderful.

I got two things for fathers day: An adjustable polarizing filter for my telescope so I can look at the moon without going blind, and one of those trimmers for taking care of body hair in places I don’t want it to grow.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:28:06pm

re: #217 BeachDem

Phobia definition:

an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something.

I think it fits.

Like a fucking glove.

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:28:20pm

re: #211 Blind Frog Belly White

Just don’t do that with turkeys….

We had a turkey invasion last year in town. The bed and breakfast owner called the gun shop owner and asked for help (they were attacking her back door). He went over to her house swinging a golf club at them to drive them off.

As for Saskatchewan, the south looks an awful lot like here: corn, wheat, hay, tumbleweeds, cattle, just no sandhills. Roads are better in Saskatchewan though.

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:29:19pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

I bet these people do jack shit for the military except fantasize about how it could be used to round up blacks.

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gocart mozart  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:29:45pm

The most incredible court transcript ever!!

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:29:53pm

re: #219 austin_blue

Well, sure. You can’t hear them, after all. Sekrit Choppers with blue helmeted pilots. Dropping illegal foreigner waterfall onto American soil.

UNEXIT!!

Nexit! (Nebraska exit. Landlocked country surrounded by the USA being bombed with ducks and geese. We would survive about five minutes.)

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austin_blue  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:30:10pm

re: #211 Blind Frog Belly White

Just don’t do that with turkeys….

Man! The WKRP In Cincinnati turkey drop. Les Nessman was traumatized.

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stpaulbear  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:31:06pm

re: #204 gocart mozart

I’m good for at least half a dozen on that list. With some of them it’s amazing to see that it has a name.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:32:00pm
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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:33:08pm

re: #214 stpaulbear

Well it’s about 24 hours away from my birthday. Calendar day is June 25 but I found out a while back that I wasn’t actually born until about 11:20 pm, so now my birthday kind of feels like new year’s eve - it doesn’t actually happen until the day is over. No plans anyway. I was thinking of going to Twin City Pride, but we’ve got a warning for severe weather in the early afternoon.

I bought myself the best old guy gift this week. A 3-pack of bamboo back scratchers. They’re wonderful.

Congratulations. Since the alternative to getting old is dying young, may you age gracefully. (Unlike me, there is nothing graceful about me, and my own mother forgot my birthday a couple weeks ago.)

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:33:25pm

re: #228 Charles Johnson

I just became a diabetic.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:33:35pm

re: #222 Anymouse

We had a turkey invasion last year in town. The bed and breakfast owner called the gun shop owner and asked for help (they were attacking her back door). He went over to her house swinging a golf club at them to drive them off.

As for Saskatchewan, the south looks an awful lot like here: corn, wheat, hay, tumbleweeds, cattle, just no sandhills. Roads are better in Saskatchewan though.

Practically the whole San Francisco Peninsula is closed to hunting. It’s either suburbs, parks, Open Space, or Watershed land. Part of the last one is an estate that dates to the 1920s, the Filoli estate. It’s along a very pretty road, with no stop signs or cross roads for 4 miles. There’s a large herd of Blacktail deer, and a growing flock of turkeys there. Fat lazy bastards, both of them. No hunters, bears, or wolves to worry with.

I ride past them and there’ll be 20-30 deer sometimes, and about half that many turkeys, just standing there, not a care in the world. Makes me hungry just thinking of it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:34:40pm

re: #226 austin_blue

Man! The WKRP In Cincinnati turkey drop. Les Nessman was traumatized.

“They’re hitting the pavement like sacks of wet cement!”

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BeachDem  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:36:22pm

re: #222 Anymouse

We had a turkey invasion last year in town. The bed and breakfast owner called the gun shop owner and asked for help (they were attacking her back door). He went over to her house swinging a golf club at them to drive them off.

As for Saskatchewan, the south looks an awful lot like here: corn, wheat, hay, tumbleweeds, cattle, just no sandhills. Roads are better in Saskatchewan though.

There was a whole family (?) of wild turkeys hanging around the hotel I was staying at a few weeks ago——in an industrial park—in Yonkers. They did keep the geese away, though (I heard the coyotes also were keeping the goose population down.)

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:36:49pm

re: #231 Blind Frog Belly White

Practically the whole San Francisco Peninsula is closed to hunting. It’s either suburbs, parks, Open Space, or Watershed land. Part of the last one is an estate that dates to the 1920s, the Filoli estate. It’s along a very pretty road, with no stop signs or cross roads for 4 miles. There’s a large herd of Blacktail deer, and a growing flock of turkeys there. Fat lazy bastards, both of them. No hunters, bears, or wolves to worry with.

I ride past them and there’ll be 20-30 deer sometimes, and about half that many turkeys, just standing there, not a care in the world. Makes me hungry just thinking of it.

My wife and I frequently go to FE Warren AFB in Cheyenne. (That is the headquarters of the intercontinental land-based ballistic missile forces.)

They have bunches of pronghorn antelope and white-tailed deer all over the base (possibly more than airman). Driving along a street there are sometimes scores of deer or antelope munching grass only a couple feet from the road, as they know they are safe on the base. (They also look both ways before crossing the road. Deer do that here in my town, too - it’s kind of odd to see that deer are smarter than a lot of people in that regard).

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Ojoe  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:36:50pm

“This fortress built by Nature
for herself

Against infection and the hand
of war,

This happy breed of men,
This little world,

This precious stone set in the silver sea,
Which serves it on the office of a wall,
Or as a moat defensive to a house,
Against the envy of less happier lands;

This blessed plot, this earth, this realm,

This England”

• • • • •

Richard II, Act II, Scene I

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austin_blue  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:38:55pm

re: #231 Blind Frog Belly White

Practically the whole San Francisco Peninsula is closed to hunting. It’s either suburbs, parks, Open Space, or Watershed land. Part of the last one is an estate that dates to the 1920s, the Filoli estate. It’s along a very pretty road, with no stop signs or cross roads for 4 miles. There’s a large herd of Blacktail deer, and a growing flock of turkeys there. Fat lazy bastards, both of them. No hunters, bears, or wolves to worry with.

I ride past them and there’ll be 20-30 deer sometimes, and about half that many turkeys, just standing there, not a care in the world. Makes me hungry just thinking of it.

And Colma. Don’t forget Colma. The biggest bone orchard I’ve ever seen.

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BeachDem  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:40:03pm

Jeez—talk about your industrial strength grifters:

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee (R) was sued in November for playing Survivor’s “Eye of the Tiger” at a rally, and now the former presidential candidate wants to set up a legal defense fund to help pay for the settlement of lawsuit.

It was a rally with the lovely Kim Davis. Arrggh.

talkingpointsmemo.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:41:31pm

re: #234 Anymouse

My wife and I frequently go to FE Warren AFB in Cheyenne. (That is the headquarters of the intercontinental land-based ballistic missile forces.)

They have bunches of pronghorn antelope and white-tailed deer all over the base (possibly more than airman). Driving along a street there are sometimes scores of deer or antelope munching grass only a couple feet from the road, as they know they are safe on the base. (They also look both ways before crossing the road. Deer do that here in my town, too - it’s kind of odd to see that deer are smarter than a lot of people in that regard).

The closest I’ve been to antelope was about maybe 1/2 mile, in Montana, hiking in to hunt. We got there later than we’d planned, so it was after first light. There was a pasture full of whitetails, mule deer, antelope, and some cattle. As the light grew, the Whitetails headed into the creekbeds, the muleys headed for the hills, and the antelope went somewhere else, FAST!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:42:24pm

re: #236 austin_blue

And Colma. Don’t forget Colma. The biggest bone orchard I’ve ever seen.

It’s easy to forget Colma. Nobody lives there. But people are dying to get in.
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stpaulbear  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:42:42pm

re: #229 Anymouse

Congratulations. Since the alternative to getting old is dying young, may you age gracefully. (Unlike me, there is nothing graceful about me, and my own mother forgot my birthday a couple weeks ago.)

I was surprised that I got a call from my sister wishing me a happy birthday. My sisters and I are horrible at birthdays (even though all three of my living sisters have birthdays in July. I know that when it’s my birthday I need to go buy cards). I’m in that frustrating range where I’m now eligible for social security but still three years out from medicare. I want to retire so bad but I can’t afford it until 65.

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jaunte  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:43:42pm

re: #229 Anymouse

Congratulations. Since the alternative to getting old is dying young, may you age gracefully. (Unlike me, there is nothing graceful about me, and my own mother forgot my birthday a couple weeks ago.)

My mother was a little miffed that her sister forgot her birthday last week.
She was 90. Her sister’s 99, so she had her reasons.

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:43:54pm

On Wonkette’s article about Brexit, an English commentator noted she was just in Tesco, and a not-quite-white couple was in front of her buying groceries. After the cashier packed up the groceries they paid for, the cashier asked if “they’d also like someone to pack their bags so they can GTFO out of our country.”

Anecdotal, but it’s not about race… . it’s about culture. /s

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:45:01pm

re: #236 austin_blue

I’d like to offer the follow as a wallpaper / peace offering. It’d from 10 days ago but hopefully you haven’t seen it yet at full size:

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gwangung  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:48:51pm

re: #239 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s easy to forget Colma. Nobody lives there. But people are dying to get in.
//

Colma, The Musical

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stpaulbear  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:51:25pm

re: #242 Anymouse

On Wonkette’s article about Brexit, an English commentator noted she was just in Tesco, and a not-quite-white couple was in front of her buying groceries. After the cashier packed up the groceries they paid for, the cashier asked if “they’d also like someone to pack their bags so they can GTFO out of our country.”

Anecdotal, but it’s not about race… . it’s about culture. /s

Man, I hope the person relaying that story had a talk with the store manager.

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:51:56pm

re: #243 Dark_Falcon

I’d like to offer the follow as a wallpaper / peace offering. It’d from 10 days ago but hopefully you haven’t seen it yet at full size:

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Wow. Kewl photo. I have a wallpaper on my computer of the John F Kennedy with a flyover of aircraft that is too big to load here, so this instead. (I’m naval that way.)

JFK and other ships in 2002
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stpaulbear  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:52:37pm

Bedtime.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:54:52pm

How’s this for a distinctive paint job for a tank?

This one is pro-government Ukrainian.

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:55:08pm

My wife says I contemplate my naval too much /s

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:55:21pm

re: #242 Anymouse

On Wonkette’s article about Brexit, an English commentator noted she was just in Tesco, and a not-quite-white couple was in front of her buying groceries. After the cashier packed up the groceries they paid for, the cashier asked if “they’d also like someone to pack their bags so they can GTFO out of our country.”

Anecdotal, but it’s not about race… . it’s about culture. /s

It’s just like Trump over here - it’s made it okay to be a racist fuckstick.

Well, scratch Merry Olde off the places I want to visit. Guess I’ll stick to Scotland and Ireland.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:55:55pm

re: #249 Anymouse

My wife says I contemplate my naval too much /s

WHACK!

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:56:05pm

re: #248 Dark_Falcon

How’s this for a distinctive paint job for a tank?

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This one is pro-government Ukrainian.

What sort of camouflage is that?? Nightclub ultraviolet?

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Great White Snark  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:57:10pm
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Dark_Falcon  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:57:51pm

re: #253 Great White Snark

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Well said. Retweeted.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:58:12pm

re: #252 Anymouse

What sort of camouflage is that?? Nightclub ultraviolet?

Anti-Zombie, with that green.

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teleskiguy  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:58:27pm

re: #248 Dark_Falcon

That’s *so* awesome! Tools of WAR are *so* awesome! I love looking at pictures of tools of war! These things kill human beings wholesale! So awesome!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 24, 2016 • 9:58:42pm

re: #253 Great White Snark

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Everything starts somewhere.

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:00:55pm

re: #256 teleskiguy

That’s *so* awesome! Tools of WAR are *so* awesome! I love looking at pictures of tools of war! These things kill human beings wholesale! So awesome!

Hey, I kind of spent an entire career either floating on ‘em or fixing ‘em. Was indirectly involved in combat (that is, I was on the ship fixing stuff): Bosnia, Beirut evacuation, freedom of navigation in the Gulf of Sidra, and on shore (recruiting and in Spain) during the Persian Gulf War.

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:03:08pm

Wife: Quit gazing at your naval and wash the dishes.

Me: Okay… .

As for the “tools of war” thing, it was somewhat sobering that my son was part of the shipbreaking crew of the USS John F. Kennedy after it was decommissioned. (I did a number of cruises on the ship.) I had him look up my rack in berthing to see if I left anything behind /s.

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teleskiguy  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:03:48pm

re: #258 Anymouse

Hey, I kind of spent an entire career either floating on ‘em or fixing ‘em. Was indirectly involved in combat (that is, I was on the ship fixing stuff): Bosnia, Beirut evacuation, freedom of navigation in the Gulf of Sidra, and on shore (recruiting and in Spain) during the Persian Gulf War.

I know. But you don’t fetishize tools of war like Dark_Falcon does. I don’t see you being a pedant with rifle calibers and war ships. You’re just a regular guy who is a proud veteran working in local government.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:04:10pm
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Dark_Falcon  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:06:33pm

re: #260 teleskiguy

I know. But you don’t fetishize tools of war like Dark_Falcon does. I don’t see you being a pedant with rifle calibers and war ships. You’re just a regular guy who is a proud veteran working in local government.

It’s a major interest of mine, but its not a bad one.

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:10:22pm

re: #260 teleskiguy

I know. But you don’t fetishize tools of war like Dark_Falcon does. I don’t see you being a pedant with rifle calibers and war ships. You’re just a regular guy who is a proud veteran working in local government.

Well, to be fair to Mr. Falcon, I don’t know whether he has a fetish for rifles and war weaponry or not.

As for regular guy, that would surprise most of my town. /s

I did my time in the Navy as a proud member of the military. I am proud of my service now. But I don’t generally go around advertising it (like I just did).

Unfortunately, warfare is a part of the human condition. I do not see it going away any time soon. When I was a Navy recruiter though, I took to heart the lesson given us in school (there is a school for recruiting): Don’t put anyone in that you don’t want to serve with in the Fleet.

In the run-up to the Persian Gulf War, we had a lot of really sketchy people come in the office volunteering to go kill “those people” (insert appropriate slur here). I did not put anyone like that in the Navy, nor did I refer them to the other services. (The Army, Air Force, and Marine recruiters were busy turning away people with those attitudes as well.)

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Kryptik  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:10:51pm

re: #261 goddamnedfrank

Clearly, for some, the vote wasn’t for UK to Leave the EU, but for the undesirables to leave the UK.

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teleskiguy  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:11:12pm

re: #262 Dark_Falcon

It’s a major interest of mine, but its not a bad one.

Check out this thing!

It damned near wiped out a city, and killed hundreds of thousands instantly.

Oh yeah!

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MsJ  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:12:10pm

re: #224 gocart mozart

The most incredible court transcript ever!!

[Embedded content]

O. M. G. Seriously. O. M. F. G. That was hysterical.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:14:32pm

Kanye West just went straight to creepy-ville.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:14:53pm

re: #246 Anymouse

The JFK was the only carrier I’ve been on. I toured it in Boston in the mid-80s, I was maybe eight or nine. My favorite part was the elevator. A space as big as a tennis court that could go up or down, with an F-14 on it? Mind-blowing stuff for a little kid.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:15:09pm

I think I found something for you, teleskiguy. It mixes tanks with one of your favorite things:

Super Heavy Tanks Drifting and Shooting in Snow M1A1 Abrams and Leopard 2 Tanks in Action 1080p

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MsJ  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:16:30pm

re: #259 Anymouse

Wife: Quit gazing at your naval and wash the dishes.

Me: Okay… .

As for the “tools of war” thing, it was somewhat sobering that my son was part of the shipbreaking crew of the USS John F. Kennedy after it was decommissioned. (I did a number of cruises on the ship.) I had him look up my rack in berthing to see if I left anything behind /s.

My ex served on the JFK when we were married.

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Great White Snark  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:17:55pm

re: #257 Blind Frog Belly White

Everything starts somewhere.

Not sure what ended yet. Today it’s all breathless drama. Media day. No disrespect to the consequences of the markets hit hard. Thats real money.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:19:28pm

re: #261 goddamnedfrank

Please, do tell me again how the Leave vote wasn’t rooted in racism, religious intolerance and xenophobia. These assholes voted against their economic self interests, the more a region had to lose economically the more they wanted to leave, because those regions were whiter, EU export oriented working class production centers. The only people who behave that way are racists and psychopaths, for whom harming everyone just to deprive the other is personally more gratifying than working cooperatively to increase everyone’s standard of living.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:21:10pm

re: #265 teleskiguy

Check out this thing!

[Embedded content]

I feel no affection for ‘Little Boy’, nor ‘Fat Man’, either. Their use saved hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of lives but it remains a case of doing something horrific to avoid even worse things coming to pass.

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:21:32pm

re: #224 gocart mozart

LOL! And to think he gets to vote.

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:23:44pm

re: #268 Pawn of the Oppressor

The JFK was the only carrier I’ve been on. I toured it in Boston in the mid-80s, I was maybe eight or nine. My favorite part was the elevator. A space as big as a tennis court that could go up or down, with an F-14 on it? Mind-blowing stuff for a little kid.

Hey, I was aboard JFK for OpSail 80, when we pulled into Boston. Perhaps I met you? (We were tied up at the pier across from an Austrian yacht. Yes, Austria has a ship registry for some reason. I got invited to a party on the yacht from a couple women on the subway. Don’t remember much about the yacht, so it must have been a good party. Fortunately, I didn’t have to drag myself far to go back across the quarterdeck of the JFK, though I seem to remember it took a lot longer than it should have to cross the pier, for some reason.)

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MsJ  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:25:52pm

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MsJ  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:27:43pm

re: #275 Anymouse

Hey, I was aboard JFK for OpSail 80, when we pulled into Boston. Perhaps I met you? (We were tied up at the pier across from an Austrian yacht. Yes, Austria has a ship registry for some reason. I got invited to a party on the yacht from a couple women on the subway. Don’t remember much about the yacht, so it must have been a good party. Fortunately, I didn’t have to drag myself far to go back across the quarterdeck of the JFK, though I seem to remember it took a lot longer than it should have to cross the pier, for some reason.)

I was there too. I drove up from Norfolk for the fireworks display. You were stationed in it?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:29:32pm

Oh, boy. Expect another wave of apocalyptic anguish from the usual suspects.

US military ‘to lift transgender ban’
bbc.com

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:30:19pm

re: #277 MsJ

I was there too. I drove up from Norfolk for the fireworks display. You were stationed in it?

Well, aboard it. I was an intermediate level ECM repair avionics technician third class at the time, assigned to attack squadron VA-34 (at the time, the squadron flew A-6 Intruders).

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:35:54pm
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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:39:21pm

re: #280 goddamnedfrank

Keep this in mind, Sanders supporters (of which I was one): Elections have consequences.

Protest votes for Dr. Jill Stein or write-ins move Donald Trump that much closer to the White House.

Let Republicans who are fed up with their party’s pick vote for Governor Johnson. Don’t foul this up.

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Great White Snark  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:41:58pm
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William Lewis  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:42:02pm

re: #279 Anymouse

Well, aboard it. I was an intermediate level ECM repair avionics technician third class at the time, assigned to attack squadron VA-34 (at the time, the squadron flew A-6 Intruders).

Neat attack bird. But I think the A4, Heineman’s hotrod, remains my favorite navy plane. Probably due to seeing the Blue Angels the first time when they were flying them…

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:44:16pm

re: #283 William Lewis

Neat attack bird. But I think the A4, Heineman’s hotrod, remains my favorite navy plane. Probably due to seeing the Blue Angels the first time when they were flying them…

I thought the A-4 was a much better plane for the Blue Angels than the current F/A-18’s. However, the A-4 was very old and parts were becoming hard to come by, plus the airframes were long past their useful life. (Well, the Navy flies planes long after their listed lifetime, but the Blue Angels put a lot of stress on their aircraft.)

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Great White Snark  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:47:41pm

re: #284 Anymouse

I saw them back in the days of the f-4 Phantom. The Avenger is a great plane and made for a good tight close show but I think of the Blue Angels as flying fighter aircraft. Like the Thunderbirds.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:49:44pm
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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:50:51pm

CNN staff revolts over Cory Lewandowski hire:
pagesix.com

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austin_blue  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:52:35pm

re: #243 Dark_Falcon

I’d like to offer the follow as a wallpaper / peace offering. It’d from 10 days ago but hopefully you haven’t seen it yet at full size:

Nice picture, and no, that peace offering is unacceptable. You have to grow up sometime, son, and it appears that you are hell-bent not to do so.

I’m sixty years old. I have had one one wife, still do. I have paid off two mortgages and own my present house free and clear. I invested and took the advice of my brother and wisely got out of the markets in 1986, 2001, and 2007 before the shit hit the fan and moved into bonds. I have gone through four passports that have over 35 country stamps in them. I have drilled oil and gas wells in the Gulf of Mexico, California, Texas, Louisiana, Gabon, the North Sea, the South China Sea, Brunei, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Australia. I was an Air Force pilot. I have served my community as a member of the City’s Chief of Police Forum, the Resource Management Commission, and was the the President of my Neighborhood Association, which represents businesses, renters and homeowners, without prejudice.

I have lived a full life, and am a happy human.

You present yourself as an alternative voice to what this Board has become (as opposed to what it was back when you and I joined). Back then, it was the bad old days, with Saint Pancake, bacon wrapped Muslims, Dutch racists, Israeli Transfer! fanatics, and a ton of assholes.

This Board has changed. You haven’t. You simply can’t fail to acknowledge the grief of a father and a member of this Board who lost a son in Iraq. You can’t play down the threat that Trump presents to the American polity. Time to grow up, Kurt. No time like the present.

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:55:55pm

Trangender activist beaten after holding benefit for victims of the Orlando mass-murder in Seattle:
huffingtonpost.com

Seattle police and the FBI are searching for the perpetrator who assaulted a transgender activist after a benefit concert for victims of the mass shooting in Orlando, Florida.

The attacker allegedly said “Happy Pride” before uttering offensive language as he punched and strangled the victim, who lost consciousness, on Wednesday night in the Capitol Hill neighborhood.Seattle police and the FBI are searching for the perpetrator who assaulted a transgender activist after a benefit concert for victims of the mass shooting in Orlando, Florida.

The attacker allegedly said “Happy Pride” before uttering offensive language as he punched and strangled the victim, who lost consciousness, on Wednesday night in the Capitol Hill neighborhood.

The article continues at Huffington Post. The derp in the comments such as “shooter was a Hillary-supporting Democrat,” &c.

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teleskiguy  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:56:22pm

re: #288 austin_blue

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TedStriker  Jun 24, 2016 • 10:58:52pm

re: #288 austin_blue

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Anymouse  Jun 24, 2016 • 11:03:02pm

re: #288 austin_blue

I wasn’t here (or anywhere on the Internet) when LGF first started. I am only vaguely aware of its old course.

I came across it when I came across the Huffington Post article where Mr. Johnson told the reason why he was changing the direction of the Website.

I don’t have a lot of passport stamps because most of my travel was when I was in the Navy. Spent seventeen years there (eleven married until my first wife left me), then eleven years homeless.

I am now married to a woman who did her part to end veteran homelessness (she married me) for eight years now. We own our own home (paid cash for it). My first wife pretty much got everything, and refused to turn over the personal property the court ordered her to do. She is now deeply in debt because she lost her job in the downturn in 2008, and is in danger of losing her very mortgaged home and car.

(She had the audacity to call my wife and harass her for money. After my wife laughed out loud over the phone and slammed down the receiver, she has never contacted us again.)

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teleskiguy  Jun 24, 2016 • 11:04:11pm

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austin_blue  Jun 24, 2016 • 11:10:53pm

re: #293 teleskiguy

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The next time you’re in town, give me a heads up. We’ll have a hoot!

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teleskiguy  Jun 24, 2016 • 11:11:51pm

re: #132 SteelPH

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austin_blue  Jun 24, 2016 • 11:29:38pm

Gotta go to a wedding at a working cattle ranch tomorrow NW of Brownwood. She Who Must Be Obeyed is playing harp for the Bride and the Bride (one of whom was a fellow member of a USO tour in 1979 to the remote Pacific island bases and Korea, well before she (the bride) came out.

The ceremony will be on an old Cretaceous volcano/cinder cone that sits on the ranch. I’m bringing a snake stick. The Starfish harp weighs only eighteen pounds, but still. It’ll be hot.

The things I do for love….

Night all. Sweet scaly dreams. I love this joint.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 24, 2016 • 11:30:49pm

Ratings agency Moody’s has changed the UK’s sovereign rating from “stable” to “negative” due to the uncertainty unleashed by the result of the EU referendum.

It said that the unpredictability of UK decision-making factored into its move, as did the likelihood of lower economic growth.

“During the several years in which the UK will have to renegotiate its trade relations with the EU, Moody’s expects heightened uncertainty, diminished confidence and lower spending and investment to result in weaker growth,” the agency said.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 24, 2016 • 11:36:03pm

You whiskey drinkers may find this BBC Travel video interesting. The reporter visits distilleries in VA, TN and KY.

bbc.com

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 24, 2016 • 11:56:02pm

re: #167 b_sharp

I’m surprised most of you know what Saskatchewan is. It’s one of the least consequential provinces in Canada.

Wadena, Saskatchewan FTW!!

I had relatives up there many years ago. Visited a few times. Small town, but nice place.

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 12:04:03am

Wonkette goes off on the University of California at Irvine for effectively banning the College Republicans, for inviting Milo Yiannopolis as a speaker for an event.

wonkette.com

The reason was allegedly the College Republicans did not provide proof of insurance for security guards hired for the event, which would only be a minor technical violation of rules for clubs and easily resolved.

Instead, the College Republicans were banned from using the college service for booking speakers.

They note there is plenty of whining on the right about Free Speech when people protest or object to what they say, but this is an actual denial of free speech, and they don’t approve of it any more than if it were a left-leaning group.

They say they would not be surprised if the College Republicans cannot resolve this, that they would seek the services of the ACLU; while Wonkette does not support Mr. Yiannopolis, they absolutely support the right of the College Republicans to invite him to speak just as any other college group.

wonkette.com

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BadExampleMan  Jun 25, 2016 • 12:17:50am

I’m just looking at the headline picture from the previous thread, staring at in stupefied wonder.

Who wants to be the first to tell the Greek fascists that they’ve chosen as their insignia the currency symbol for NIS - the Israeli shekel?

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2016 • 12:22:33am

Hey Dark, come back and tell us again how the Leave vote wasn’t motivated by racism.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 12:45:20am

Not sure I’ll ever consider vers libre to be a form of poetry…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 25, 2016 • 12:49:32am

re: #303 Nyet

Not sure I’ll ever consider vers libre to be a form of poetry…

Since Walt Whitman, anything written with a ragged right margin is considered poetry.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 12:55:26am

re: #304 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Since Walt Whitman, anything written with a ragged right margin is considered poetry.

And Sarah Palin is a genius poet./

Generally today, with some exceptions, I see it as an excuse for calling oneself a poet while being a lazy talentless hack.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 12:58:43am

Pot, kettle.

Image: tosser.jpg

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 1:09:19am

re: #280 goddamnedfrank

There should be a law of nature that inflicts severe physical suffering for this level of stupidity.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 1:13:13am

re: #235 Ojoe

(psst. be silent, everyone. we have a zombie here.)

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Dave In Austin  Jun 25, 2016 • 1:16:33am

re: #308 Nyet

(psst. be silent, everyone. we have a zombie here.)

Choot em’….. Choot em’ in da head!!!!

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 1:20:19am

re: #154 Anymouse

I did note in a comment last night there though that as a former Sanders supporter who is now all in for Mrs. Clinton, the endless “let us tell you why you were wrong” and kick Sanders supporters when they are down is not doing a whole lot for Mrs. Clinton (though to be clear, it is not Mrs. Clinton doing that).

You know why it happens?

1. It’s a backlash for the behavior many B-supporters exhibited for months.

2. Bernie still has not endorsed Hillary. He still allows resentment to thrive. It’s on him.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2016 • 1:23:17am

The Law of Unintended Consequence, example #461 (Brexit Edition):

The City of London is at risk of losing its prized “EU passport”, according to the ECB Governing Council member Francois Villeroy de Galhau, who has said that Brexit talks must be carried out quickly to limit uncertainties.

The City of London will not be able to keep that passport if Britain leaves the EU’s single market of trade in goods and services, Villeroy de Galhau told France Inter radio.

There is a precedent, it is the Norwegian model of European Economic Area, that would allow Britain to keep access to the single market but by committing to implement all EU rules,” he said.

“It would be a bit paradoxical to leave the EU and apply all EU rules but that is one solution if Britain wants to keep access to the single market.”

theguardian.com

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 1:31:26am

re: #310 Nyet

You know why it happens?

1. It’s a backlash for the behavior many B-supporters exhibited for months.

2. Bernie still has not endorsed Hillary. He still allows resentment to thrive. It’s on him.

Well, I am unhappy he hasn’t endorsed Mrs. Clinton. From what I’ve read on-line, the overwhelming majority of Sanders supporters will support Mrs. Clinton. I cannot say about the so-called “Bernie Bros” because I have not run into one, so I do not know if there are a large number, or a small number with very loud mouths.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 1:41:31am

re: #312 Anymouse

It’s a small minority as far as the whole country is concerned, but there was an overrepresentation of them at dkos.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 1:52:21am

“In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.” — Nigel Farage

So he should not complain if a 2nd ref happens.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2016 • 1:57:31am

The Law of Unintended Consequence, example #462 (Brexit Edition):

Yes, that’s from Ian Paisley, Jr., the son of that Ian Paisley.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 1:57:46am

re: #273 Dark_Falcon

I feel no affection for ‘Little Boy’, nor ‘Fat Man’, either. Their use saved hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of lives but it remains a case of doing something horrific to avoid even worse things coming to pass.

No. Sorry. This is not historically accurate. The Japanese were ready to surrender and worried about Russia. America knew this since they were reading all the secret cables. The only request Japan had, which America ended up agreeing to anyway after the bombs dropped, was to keep the Emperor.

There was never going to be any invasion. This is the story American school children are told to justify the most horrible devices ever invented.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:05:17am

David Cameron is such a failure of a human being.
This whole referendum idiocy was a trick to stay in power, and he failed even at that.
Are there any prominent London-level politicians, left or right, that don’t look like scumbags though? All these Camerons, Corbyns and Farages are going to make me puke.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:09:23am

re: #317 Nyet

David Cameron is such a failure of a human being.
This whole referendum idiocy was a trick to stay in power, and he failed even at that.
Are there any prominent London-level politicians, left or right, that don’t look like scumbags though? All these Camerons, Corbyns and Farages are going to make me puke.

London’s new mayor looks OK, but I doubt he could become PM any tme soon.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:11:02am

re: #318 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

London’s new mayor looks OK, but I doubt he could become PM any tme soon.

With Britain’s luck he’ll show himself to be a flaming asshole in no time.

half-/

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:13:45am

The roots of Israel’s most racist law

Israel’s most draconian laws may have been passed by the current right-wing government, but the stage was set long ago by the Israeli Left.

Seems like the Israeli society is not jumping off that downward spiral any time soon.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:16:26am

re: #93 Romantic Heretic

Um, Britain, Russia and China.

One World Government!

That’s wrong, I am sorry. The answer I was looking for is “Africa.”

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:17:59am

re: #320 Nyet

The roots of Israel’s most racist law

Seems like the Israeli society is not jumping off that downward spiral any time soon.

It’s not a downward spiral, it is a continuation of policies that are used to punish the other side until they come to the negotiation table. It is what every country does when dealing with an enemy that will not negotiate.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:18:57am

re: #322 Shimshon

It’s not a downward spiral, it is a continuation of policies that are used to punish the other side until they come to the negotiation table. It is what every country does when dealing with an enemy that will not negotiate.

Good on you for defending racism.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:25:17am

re: #323 Nyet

Good on you for defending racism.

Where in that comment did I defend it? It is how hostile countries treat each other as long as one side does not negotiate a peaceful settlement. This is only a statement of fact not my viewpoint on the never ending debate.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:29:18am

“It’s about culture, not race/ethnicity!”
“It’s about hostilities, not race/ethnicity!”
“It’s about economy, not race/ethnicity!”
“It’s about sepulcas, not race/ethnicity!”

Yawn.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:29:26am

In one day, went from a 5.8% rate of return on my 401(k) this year to 0.9%.

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William Lewis  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:30:13am

re: #316 Shimshon

I’m sorry but even a cursory look at the historical record shows otherwise. Without the nuclear weapons use, Operation Downfall would have proceeded as preparations continud right up to the cease fire. There were too many years in the military who were barely willing to surrender at the Emperors order even after Nagasaki proved we had more than one super bomb. Had those attacks failed, the US would have invaded the south, the Soviet Union the north and very little of Japanese culture would exist outside of museums and cemeteries.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:32:44am

re: #325 Nyet

“It’s about culture, not race/ethnicity!”
“It’s about hostilities, not race/ethnicity!”
“It’s about economy, not race/ethnicity!”
“It’s about sepulcas, not race/ethnicity!”

Yawn.

I do not know what this means. Ignoring the fact that both are Semites, you don’t see why a Jewish nation would work to protect a Jewish identity when the people they block do not believe Israel should exist?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:35:42am

re: #327 William Lewis

I’m sorry but even a cursory look at the historical record shows otherwise. Without the nuclear weapons use, Operation Downfall would have proceeded as preparations continud right up to the cease fire. There were too many years in the military who were barely willing to surrender at the Emperors order even after Nagasaki proved we had more than one super bomb. Had those attacks failed, the US would have invaded the south, the Soviet Union the north and very little of Japanese culture would exist outside of museums and cemeteries.

Yeah, anybody who thinks Operation Olympic at least would not have gone through is seriously uninformed. The Japanese would never have surrendered just because their Soviet peace feelers fell through. Even after Hiroshima there was a coup to prevent the Government from surrendering, and only the Emperor’s personal intervention put a spike in it.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:37:13am
when the people they block do not believe Israel should exist?

See, that’s the racist mindset on a platter. There is this ethnic monolith with a hive mind that thinks the same thoughts, so we don’t need to ask for an individual opinion. We know that all the so-called individuals of this ethnic group are the same and hate ar’ freedumbs.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:39:40am

re: #327 William Lewis

I’m sorry but even a cursory look at the historical record shows otherwise. Without the nuclear weapons use, Operation Downfall would have proceeded as preparations continud right up to the cease fire. There were too many years in the military who were barely willing to surrender at the Emperors order even after Nagasaki proved we had more than one super bomb. Had those attacks failed, the US would have invaded the south, the Soviet Union the north and very little of Japanese culture would exist outside of museums and cemeteries.

The intercepted communications showed Japan was not interesting in continuing the war and they wanted to surrender. America was not going to invade. Russia was, and Japan was afraid. thenation.com

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:41:06am

re: #330 Nyet

See, that’s the racist mindset on a platter. There is this ethnic monolith with a hive mind that thinks the same thoughts, so we don’t need to ask for an individual opinion. We know that all the so-called individuals of this ethnic group are the same and hate ar’ freedumbs.

Do you actually have a point to debate, besides crying racist over and over?

Is it racist for America to fight Al Qaeda and kill Bin Laden? Or is fighting terrorism okay, unless you are Jews under the flag of Israel?

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:41:52am

re: #332 Shimshon

Do you actually have a point to debate, besides crying racist over and over?

Is it racist for America to fight Al Qaeda and kill Bin Laden? Or is fighting terrorism okay, unless you are Jews under the flag of Israel?

*facepalm*

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:43:16am

re: #333 Nyet

*facepalm*

So no, you do not have an actual argument to make. Were you angry when the IRA was forced to disarm before they came to the negotiation table? Or were you too busy calling the English “racist?”

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William Lewis  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:44:07am

re: #331 Shimshon

That is not the case no matter how many want to pretend otherwise. The racist underpinnings of the US/Japanese war in the Pacific would not have allowed anything else. The Army and Marine Corps were going to go forward with at least Olympic.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:44:20am

re: #334 Shimshon

So no, you do not have an actual argument to make. Were you angry when the IRA was forced to disarm before they came to the negotiation table? Or were you too busy calling the English “racist?”

Keep digging.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:45:13am

re: #336 Nyet

Keep digging.

I’m the only one making statements that you cannot respond to. I don’t think you thought your position here all the way through.

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Alyosha  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:45:19am

re: #336 Nyet

Fighting a war on two fronts, now. Classic mistake.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:45:37am

re: #331 Shimshon

The intercepted communications showed Japan was not interesting in continuing the war and they wanted to surrender. America was not going to invade. Russia was, and Japan was afraid. thenation.com

Pure revisionist poppycock. Oh, Alperovitz—well, there you go. An absolute nutburger.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:46:23am

re: #335 William Lewis

That is not the case no matter how many want to pretend otherwise. The racist underpinnings of the US/Japanese war in the Pacific would not have allowed anything else. The Army and Marine Corps were going to go forward with at least Olympic.

That’s nice but I provided an interesting article that had interviews and statements that can be debated. Your reply is “well my feelings tell me something else happened so that is that.” This is just like the debate I am having with Nyet. Feelings vs facts. I can’t win in a debate someone didn’t reason themself into.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:46:51am

re: #339 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Pure revisionist poppycock. Oh, Alperovitz—well, there you go. An absolute nutburger.

There are many more. Here is one. archive.boston.com

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:46:54am

Not allowing two people who love each other to be together because of the origin of one of them is exactly like killing Bin Laden or disarming IRA.

LGF. 2016.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:47:06am

re: #335 William Lewis

That is not the case no matter how many want to pretend otherwise. The racist underpinnings of the US/Japanese war in the Pacific would not have allowed anything else. The Army and Marine Corps were going to go forward with at least Olympic.

My Dad was rotated back to Hawaii to prepare for Olympic. It was no Operation Fortitude—no inflatable tanks.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:47:37am

re: #330 Nyet

See, that’s the racist mindset on a platter. There is this ethnic monolith with a hive mind that thinks the same thoughts, so we don’t need to ask for an individual opinion. We know that all the so-called individuals of this ethnic group are the same and hate ar’ freedumbs.

Indeed. I mean this laws punishes Arab citizens of Israel as well as their spouses, who are presumably innocent (I can’t imagine Israel letting a known terrorist or other sort of criminal immigrate).

I would add that it also gives fodder to those who claim Israel is an apartheid state. Bad move all around.

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William Lewis  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:49:12am

re: #340 Shimshon

Fantasy with an interview or three is still fantasy.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:49:37am

re: #342 Nyet

Not allowing two people who love each other to be together because of the origin of one of them is exactly like killing Bin Laden or disarming NRA.

LGF. 2016.

Not allowing your country to change demographics when one side wants you all driven into the sea is a tactic you use to defend yourself. Drone striking dozens of innocents to kill one Al Qaeda or Taliban member is another. These are tactics sides use to punish and destroy the other side who threatens you. Innocent people get caught in it and it is not pretty. If only one side had agreed to the 1948 partition plan, right?

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:50:30am

re: #346 Shimshon

Not allowing your country to change demographics

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:50:48am

re: #345 William Lewis

Fantasy with an interview or three is still fantasy.

Every side that is not in agreement with you is fantasy. Well that settles it. I understand emotion is high, you were taught from as far back as you remember that something happened the way it did, and you are not ready to accept that your heroes may have been wrong, mistaken, or had other motives.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:51:40am

Pot, meet kettle.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:52:23am

re: #347 Nyet

Israel used to allow this. They accepted over 1 million Arabs and gave them full citizenship rights on the formation of Israel. Do you have any alternative examples of Muslim countries treating Jewish minorities with that much respect? 4 wars later, and countless peace plans that turned into nothing, Jews are fed up with it all.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:53:55am

re: #349 CuriousLurker

Pot, meet kettle.

I seem to be the only one not only giving citations, but making arguments and explaining myself. For this the only responses I get are “you are racist” and “that is all wrong!”

I don’t think you understand the phrase and what it means?

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:55:05am

That moment when you can sit back, relax, and allow the opponent to do all the writing for you.
;)

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Alyosha  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:55:47am

Halp, the cunning Arabs are forcing us to commit acts of collective punishment in order to preserve our desired demographics!!!

Israel gets a pass here because why?

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:56:44am

re: #352 Nyet

That moment when you can sit back, relax, and allow the opponent to do all the writing for you.
;)

I’ve lost track of the times you think making smart ass remarks and calling me racist constitutes arguing a position in a debate. You continue to have no answers for my comments and can only hide behind what you feel is the silent majority that backs you up. Like the other debate I am in, all you have are feelings and all I have are facts that no one can debate.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:57:47am

re: #354 Shimshon

I’ve lost track of the times you think making smart ass remarks and calling me racist constitutes arguing a position in a debate. You continue to have no answers for my comments and can only hide behind what you feel is the silent majority that backs you up. Like the other debate I am in, all you have are feelings and all I have are facts that no one can debate.

!

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CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:58:33am

re: #350 Shimshon

Tu quoque: Check.

I’m gonna just sit here and check stuff off my list. Please proceed.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:58:53am

re: #353 Alyosha

Halp, the cunning Arabs are forcing us to commit acts of collective punishment in order to preserve our desired demographics!!!

Israel gets a pass here because why?

There isn’t anything cunning about having superior numbers and bullying the smallest country full of a different religion since 1948. But since you know that if the Palestinians had agreed to the countless peace plans and not taken part in the many wars that caused them to lose most of the land they demand back, none of this would have ever happened. Which is why your side can only cry racist or bring up arguments hinting at Jews being Nazis.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:59:05am

re: #348 Shimshon

Every side that is not in agreement with you is fantasy. Well that settles it. I understand emotion is high, you were taught from as far back as you remember that something happened the way it did, and you are not ready to accept that your heroes may have been wrong, mistaken, or had other motives.

You are listening to complete nuts like Alperovitz. We know there were other motives. We know impressing the Soviet Union was another motive for using the bomb. Racism certainly played a part in the ferocity of the Pacific War, but the Japanese contention that the atomic bomb would never have been used against Germany is laughable.

The emotional reaction is the one where the atomic bombings were horrible, therefore they were unnecessary. The Japanese would have surrendered anyway, even though one atomic bomb wasn’t enough to do it. We’re into pure feel-good unicorn fart territory on this.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 2:59:47am

re: #356 CuriousLurker

Tu quoque: Check.

I’m gonna just sit here and check stuff off my list. Please proceed.

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re: #355 Nyet

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I am sorry you both came here to repeat your feelings and get upvoted and pat on the back for having such brave opinions. If you didn’t want to debate then don’t bother replying to someone. This right here is blatant trolling and harassment.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:00:22am

re: #358 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

You are listening to complete nuts like Alperovitz. We know there were other motives. We know impressing the Soviet Union was another motive for using the bomb. Racism certainly played a part in the ferocity of the Pacific War, but the Japanese contention that the atomic bomb would never have been used against Germany is laughable.

The emotional reaction is the one where the atomic bombings were horrible, therefore they were unnecessary. The Japanese would have surrendered anyway, even though one atomic bomb wasn’t enough to do it. We’re into pure feel-good unicorn fart territory on this.

That’s nice but there are many more sources. So once you are done attacking the messenger you can go read my second citation and figure out a way to also attack THAT messenger but ignore the arguments in each. I await your response….

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:02:05am

re: #359 Shimshon

I am sorry you both came here to repeat your feelings and get upvoted and pat on the back for having such brave opinions. If you didn’t want to debate then don’t bother replying to someone. This right here is blatant trolling and harassment.

This comment hurt my feelings and you writing it is an equivalent of you not killing Bin Laden personally. Sad!

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Alyosha  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:02:31am

re: #357 Shimshon

There isn’t anything cunning about having superior numbers and bullying the smallest country full of a different religion since 1948. But since you know that if the Palestinians had agreed to the countless peace plans and not taken part in the many wars that caused them to lose most of the land they demand back, none of this would have ever happened. Which is why your side can only cry racist or bring up arguments hinting at Jews being Nazis.

Israel is at peace with its Arab neighbours. If you think the existence of Hamas et al is enough to rationalise apartheid-esque discriminatory policy then I don’t know what to tell you.
We expect more from Israel because she is the only credible democracy in the region.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:02:56am

re: #360 Shimshon

That’s nice but there are many more sources. So once you are done attacking the messenger you can go read my second citation and figure out a way to also attack THAT messenger. I await your response….

I’ve read reams of revisionist bullshit like that. You got any where President Roosevelt conspired to precipitate the Pearl Harbor attack to get the US into the war? Those are always good.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:04:09am

re: #359 Shimshon

I am sorry you both came here to repeat your feelings and get upvoted and pat on the back for having such brave opinions. If you didn’t want to debate then don’t bother replying to someone. This right here is blatant trolling and harassment.

You clearly have little or no understanding of what LGF was like 6 years ago when Sergey & I (and others) registered here, and you have even less knowledge of our histories, especially Sergey’s. You seem to be intent on making a fool of yourself and I’m not going to stop you. Please continue flailing about.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:05:00am

Yes, we totally think killing Bin Laden was racist. That guy got us there. What a calm, reasoned argument compared to our feewings.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:06:31am

re: #362 Alyosha

Israel is at peace with its Arab neighbours. If you think the existence of Hamas et al is enough to rationalise apartheid-esque discriminatory policy then I don’t know what to tell you.
We expect more from Israel because she is the only credible democracy in the region.

Israel should just sit back and take the weekly terrorist attacks because these groups are not capable of actually destroying Israel?

What possible way could ISIS or Al Qaeda “destroy” America? Since that could never happen, should the west not be allowed to fight these terrorist groups that cause harm? This is such a weird argument I don’t get why you even posted it.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:06:43am

re: #362 Alyosha

Israel is at peace with its Arab neighbours. If you think the existence of Hamas et al is enough to rationalise apartheid-esque discriminatory policy then I don’t know what to tell you.
We expect more from Israel because she is the only credible democracy in the region.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:08:10am

Straw man: Check (actually, there have been several).

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:08:19am

re: #364 CuriousLurker

You clearly have little or no understanding of what LGF was like 6 years ago when Sergey & I (and others) registered here, and you have even less knowledge of our histories, especially Sergey’s. You seem to be intent on making a fool of yourself and I’m not going to stop you. Please continue flailing about.

I don’t need to understand the history of this website to know what obvious trolling is. But today I have learned that Jimmy Carter was a racist for blocking Iranian immigration after the revolution and hostage crisis. Or is that type of collective punishment acceptable because it was non Jews responding to terrorism?

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:09:20am

re: #365 Nyet

Yes, we totally think killing Bin Laden was racist. That guy got us there. What a calm, reasoned argument compared to our feewings.

That isn’t what I said. This is trolling, again. You are refusing to take my arguments and debate them. You either label me a racist which is harassment, or misquote and mock me which is trolling. Why is that?

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Alyosha  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:09:44am

re: #366 Shimshon

All I’m asking is how the measures in the link Sergey posted actually fight terrorism?

I’ll wait.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:09:51am

re: #369 Shimshon

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:11:02am

re: #371 Alyosha

All I’m asking is how the measures in the link Sergey posted actually fight terrorism?

I’ll wait.

I said from the start that it is designed to protect Israel and their Jewish identity from a side that does not want them to exist and would, if given the chance, wipe them all out.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:11:49am

> Is it racist for America to fight Al Qaeda and kill Bin Laden?

> Yes, we totally think killing Bin Laden was racist. That guy got us there. What a calm, reasoned argument compared to our feewings.

> That isn’t what I said. This is trolling, again.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:12:53am

re: #374 Nyet

> Is it racist for America to fight Al Qaeda and kill Bin Laden?

> Yes, we totally think killing Bin Laden was racist. That guy got us there. What a calm, reasoned argument compared to our feewings.

> That isn’t what I said. This is trolling, again.

That is in response to “why is Israel punishing ALL Palestinians” when I gave the example that America is punishing ALL Afghans/Iraqis/Yemenis/etc when they fight Bin Laden. See this is the misquoting, you really are good at this.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:15:11am

re: #369 Shimshon

You seem to be trying to indirectly level charges of antisemitism at people who absolutely do not deserve it. You’re embarrassing yourself and don’t even realize it.

Please proceed.

There’s no need to attach a bell to a fool.
—Danish proverb

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:15:53am

re: #326 Timothy Watson

In one day, went from a 5.8% rate of return on my 401(k) this year to 0.9%.

Ouch.

My wife lost most of her retirement fund from Digital Equipment when HP wound up with the company, and HP spun off the retirement fund to private banking just in time for the banking crash. She went from $250,000 to $30,000 in the space of a few short weeks. It took her several more years to pry the remaining money from the large bank that held it.

What’s left is in our small-town agricultural bank, in an IRA. I feel for you.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:16:57am

re: #375 Shimshon

That is in response to “why is Israel punishing ALL Palestinians” when I gave the example that America is punishing ALL Afghans/Iraqis/Yemenis/etc when they fight Bin Laden. See this is the misquoting, you really are good at this.

Killing Bin Laden was punishing all Arabs? Whatever.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:18:00am

re: #377 Anymouse

Ouch.

My wife lost most of her retirement fund from Digital Equipment when HP wound up with the company, and HP spun off the retirement fund to private banking just in time for the banking crash. She went from $250,000 to $30,000 in the space of a few short weeks. It took her several more years to pry the remaining money from the large bank that held it.

What’s left is in our small-town agricultural bank, in an IRA. I feel for you.

My tiny stock portfolio lost 4.5% in value after one day of trading. Not a crippling amount, but it would be most unfortunate if that happened several days in a row.

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Alyosha  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:18:29am

re: #373 Shimshon

I said from the start that it is designed to protect Israel and their Jewish identity from a side that does not want them to exist and would, if given the chance, wipe them all out.

I thought we weren’t arguing from emotion.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:18:44am

re: #376 CuriousLurker

You seem to be trying to indirectly level charges of antisemitism at people who absolutely do not deserve it. You’re embarrassing yourself and don’t even realize it.

Please proceed.

I must say this was a brilliant comment. How best to deflect from the side that right away turned the volume up to 11, before I had even made my own argument, that I was accused of being a pure racist. That sure was it.

I am only pointing out that if you have a double standard for one country fighting terrorism that is okay, and even dropping a nuclear bomb in a war for God’s sake! That is all acceptable and justified.

But Israel a Jewish nation, facing 4 wars of extermination and how many smaller conflicts, with 3 terrorist groups on their borders who engage in weekly attacks, how dare they try and protect their nation!

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:19:53am

re: #378 Nyet

Killing Bin Laden was punishing all Arabs? Whatever.

The occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan and the drone strikes in how many nations still going on today is collective punishment of populations that had nothing to do with terrorists. This, for some reason, has been acceptable. But Israel doing it against even bigger threats to their nation? THAT is pure racism and Nazi tactics!

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:20:52am

re: #380 Alyosha

I thought we weren’t arguing from emotion.

What emotion? From 1948 the wars have been to destroy Israel. This is a fact. Only one side refused that partition plan and declared war. It was certainly not Jewish Israel.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:23:16am

re: #381 Shimshon

So why, pray tell, would we single out Israel if we’re not engaging in antisemitism?

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:24:08am

re: #379 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

We don’t do stocks. My wife used to before she met me, but was continually losing money (mostly through broker fees and bad advice). I never did stocks, because my understanding of the stock market for its entire history is to redistribute money from the bottom to the top (note in every panic, recession, or depression the rich mostly stay that way; it is the poor that are wiped out).

I stick to gambling where I understand the rules and have a better chance, like the MegaMillions. (::

This weekend is the town party; I just got back from the park hoisting the flags we don’t normally fly (state and POW) for the weekend. Sorry I missed out on the mudflinging over Israel/Arab states/Palestinians (wait, no I am not).

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:25:19am

re: #381 Shimshon

What you wrote monolithizing all Palestinians as if they were one single organism was racist. One can acknowledge that the Palestinian political culture is fucked up without (falsely) claiming that every single Palestinian wants Israel’s destruction. Moreover, had the law been so formulated that it would have disallowed specifically those individuals that didn’t acknowledge Israel’s existence, you wouldn’t have heard a peep from anyone here.

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Alyosha  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:26:50am

So apparently Arabs have weaponised the nuclear family.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:26:56am

New citizens should, absolutely, be loyal to their new country. That is not the issue here.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:27:04am

Who in the hell compared Israel to Nazis?

This is getting weirder and less rational by the minute.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:28:45am

re: #384 CuriousLurker

So why, pray tell, would we single out Israel if we’re not engaging in antisemitism?

You tell me. I would love to hear the logic behind the side that argues:

“in war we had to protect ourself, so we dropped 2 nuclear bombs and wiped away civilian populations” or “we have to protect ourselves so we collectively punish civilians by destroying their government, drone strike at will and put in friendly politicians” and in the recent past we blocked all immigrants from Iran as collective punishment for the revolution and hostage crisis.

Why are all of these, especially wiping out cities by nuclear bombs, just acceptable tactics in war against an enemy? When Israel cannot fight Islamic terrorism without being called racist and Nazis?

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Dave In Austin  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:29:14am

re: #389 CuriousLurker

Who in the hell compared Israel to Nazis?

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This is getting weirder and less rational by the minute.

I’ve been working all nite and have had one eye on this this thing. Been a strange evening and I’ve had a hard time following after the 2am lull……

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:30:18am

re: #386 Nyet

What you wrote monolithizing all Palestinians as if they were one single organism was racist. One can acknowledge that the Palestinian political culture is fucked up without (falsely) claiming that every single Palestinian wants Israel’s destruction. Moreover, had the law been so formulated that it would have disallowed specifically those individuals that didn’t acknowledge Israel’s existence, you wouldn’t have heard a peep from anyone here.

Is this your first time learning about what happens in a conflict with enemies that cannot agree to peace? You needed this news story to learn that innocent people get caught up in policies that hurt them for things their leaders or fellow man do?

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:30:57am

re: #389 CuriousLurker

Who in the hell compared Israel to Nazis?

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This is getting weirder and less rational by the minute.

Calling Jews “racist” for their policies that protect Israel is alluding to Nazis. It’s dog whistle insults. Don’t play this stupid. You are better than this.

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Alyosha  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:31:48am

Jewish people cannot be racist: FACT.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:32:16am

re: #387 Alyosha

So apparently Arabs have weaponised the nuclear family.

No apparently Israel just should have nuked 2 cities in Jordan and Egypt and that would have been the best way to bring the Arabs to the negotiation table. Today I have learned how the west judges themselves vs how the west judges people they do not like.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:32:41am

re: #388 Nyet

Oh look, the U.S. doesn’t ban the immigration of spouses of U.S. citizens, even if they come from Afghanistan or Yemen or Iraq or….

Imagine that. //

I. Family-Based Immigration

Family unification is an important principle governing immigration policy. The family-based immigration category allows U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents (LPRs) to bring certain family members to the United States. There are 480,000 family-based visas available every year. Family-based immigrants are admitted to the U.S. either as immediate relatives of U.S. citizens or through the family preference system.

There is no numerical limit on visas available for immediate relatives, but petitioners must meet certain age and financial requirements. Immediate relatives are:

• spouses of U.S. citizens.
• unmarried minor children of U.S. citizens (under 21 years old).
• parents of U.S. citizens (petitioner must be at least 21 years old to petition for a parent).

There are a limited number of visas available every year under the family preference system, and petitioners must meet certain age and financial requirements. The preference system includes:

• adult children (married and unmarried) and brothers and sisters of U.S. citizens (petitioner must be at least 21 years old to petition for a sibling).
• spouses and unmarried children (minor and adult) of LPRs.

More: immigrationpolicy.org

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:33:01am

re: #394 Alyosha

Jewish people cannot be racist: FACT.

I haven’t said this either. More trolling.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:34:03am

re: #396 CuriousLurker

Oh look, the U.S. doesn’t ban the immigration of spouses of U.S. citizens, even if they come from Afghanistan or Yemen or Iraq or….

Imagine that. //

Why did you misrepresent what I said, AGAIN, and now ignore the racist policy of President Carter? Or is it not racist because it wasn’t enacted by Jews? Please explain.

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sagehen  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:34:18am

re: #167 b_sharp

I’m surprised most of you know what Saskatchewan is. It’s one of the least consequential provinces in Canada.

But the most consequential on spelling/geography quizzes. And fun to pronounce, like Cucamonga.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:34:41am

re: #392 Shimshon

Is this your first time learning about what happens in a conflict with enemies that cannot agree to peace? You needed this news story to learn that innocent people get caught up in policies that hurt them for things their leaders or fellow man do?

Um, no. And that doesn’t change the correctness of what I wrote. I’ve explained why at length so there is no need for a repeat.

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Alyosha  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:35:04am

re: #397 Shimshon

I haven’t said this either. More trolling.

That has been your implication from the start.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:36:43am

Well, I’m staying out of the current discussion now in progress.

How about that Brexit, hey? It’s probably going to hurt joint British-European TV and movie productions, such as Game of Thrones. Good thing GoT only has one more season to go, and has made lots of money.

nofilmschool.com

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CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:37:23am

re: #397 Shimshon

I haven’t said this either. More trolling.

Yet you keep claiming people are calling Israelis Nazis when no one here has done any such thing. O, and trolling doesn’t mean what you seem to think it means.

This is getting positively Daliesque.

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:37:26am

re: #390 Shimshon

You tell me. I would love to hear the logic behind the side that argues:

“in war we had to protect ourself, so we dropped 2 nuclear bombs and wiped away civilian populations” or “we have to protect ourselves so we collectively punish civilians by destroying their government, drone strike at will and put in friendly politicians” and in the recent past we blocked all immigrants from Iran as collective punishment for the revolution and hostage crisis.

Why are all of these, especially wiping out cities by nuclear bombs, just acceptable tactics in war against an enemy? When Israel cannot fight Islamic terrorism without being called racist and Nazis?

Note I don’t condone such actions but I will try.

On nuclear weapons dropped on Japan, the usual arguments I hear are
a) There was no particular international convention at the time for using refugees and civilian populations as a means to upset an opponent’s military efforts
b) Firebombings such as Dresden actually caused greater civilian death and destruction,

On blocking Iran’s tourists and immigrants after the hostage crisis:
a) Iran had declared us their enemy
b) They seized our embassy and personnel

On collective punishment and fighting “Islamic terror” (note there is “Jewish terror” on the West Bank as well)

a) Some in the Israeli government think that collective punishment will eventually cow the Palestinians

On calling Israel an apartheid state or behaving as the Nazis did:
a) They have walled off the West Bank and seized land from Palestinians without compensation
b) They punish the families of individual criminals or terrorists, notably by bulldozing their homes
c) They are partitioning the West Bank further and further by allowing more settlements that they agreed to withdraw
d) They hold people on “administrative holds” in jail for months or years (much like Gitmo) without charge

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:38:55am

re: #400 Nyet

Um, no. And that doesn’t change the correctness of what I wrote. I’ve explained why at length so there is no need for a repeat.

“Uh, no” is not how you debate. It is how you weasel your way out of uncomfortable facts that were presented to you. Collective punishment is an unfortunate side effect when 2 sides are enemies and they cannot negotiate peace agreements.

re: #401 Alyosha

That has been your implication from the start.

No, my comments have always been Israel is doing this not because of the race of Palestinians, but because they do not have peace agreements.

If Jews in Israel were indeed racist, they never would have accepted any Muslims or Christians into their country, and especially not given them Constitutional rights.

Since no one has been able to counter this comment I made earlier by telling me a country in the region who extended their hand to Jews in a similar fashion, I think we can see that Jews being racist is definitely not true.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:39:25am

re: #396 CuriousLurker

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:39:55am

re: #316 Shimshon

No. Sorry. This is not historically accurate. The Japanese were ready to surrender and worried about Russia. America knew this since they were reading all the secret cables. The only request Japan had, which America ended up agreeing to anyway after the bombs dropped, was to keep the Emperor.

There was never going to be any invasion. This is the story American school children are told to justify the most horrible devices ever invented.

Hiroshima was borderline justifiable. Nagasaki, not so, because by then, it was obvious the Russians would form an western front on Japan if the war persisted, and the Japanese were definitively ready to fold.

And the narrative that the bombs broke Imperial Japans back isn’t true by a long shot. From what I’ve gathered during my studies of the subject, the Hiroshima bomb actually galvanized the Japanese who were aware of it against the US. However, because of the mass civilian casualties, the Japanese administration was able to “sell” the surrender as avoiding far worse.

Should nukes ever be used in anger again, the scenario that the enemy would be galvanized against you would be the most likely outcome, potentiated by today’s rapid means of communication and availability of still and video cameras. Think of all the film and pictures from Hiroshima and Nagasaki, then consider that both motion and still picture cameras were rare back then, while today, every phone has one and proper cameras are widespread as well.

And it’s easy to do the math considering how easy and how many of the pictures would spread around the globe. Same pictures as Nagasaki and Hiroshima, only in full color HD, and potentially a handful of the bomb itself exploding and the immediate effects of the fireball. I’m willing to wager that even if the combatant nation would truly have no other option than to use it, there would be instant uproar and at least a century of debate as to whether it was justifiable.

And the presidential candidate of a certain party, as well as the current adherents of that party, regard the Bomb as simply the largest firework in the box, as painfully clearly illustrated by the campaign promises to nuke Daesh into oblivion. Yes, it is the largest firework, even Little Boy would be the largest by a large margin. But they forget that less than half are killed within the first 15 seconds of detonation, most the rest dies over the year following it in the most gruesome ways possible. For Hiroshima, that number was 60,000-80,000 instantly and somewhere over 100,000 during the year following.

And Little Boy was a small one by today’s standards, 16 kilotons. Sure, there are probably tactical nukes in that range, but most of the air and space delivered versions are in the range 10 to a 100 times (160 kT to 1.6 MT) more powerful. I’m not singling anyone out, but freaking read up on the effects of tossing a “gadget” before you speak of its past and future uses. I mean, a half a megaton blast 20 km up in the air will easily smash windows, carports and even walls all around, and blast is just one of three significant effects of a nuke, the other being ionizing radiation and thermal radiation.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:41:34am

re: #403 CuriousLurker

Yet you keep claiming people are calling Israelis Nazis when no one here has done any such thing. O, and trolling doesn’t mean what you seem to think it means.

This is getting positively Daliesque.

I did not keep claiming, I mocked the quick label of calling Israel racist and pointed out the dog whistle used against Israel by comparing their treatment of Palestinians to the treatment Jews received in Nazi Germany. Now you are just being obtuse because you have been unable to debate anything here.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:42:10am

re: #405 Shimshon

“Uh, no” is not how you debate.

Indeed, you debate by comparing not allowing a spouse to settle to killing Bin Laden.

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:43:20am

re: #394 Alyosha

Jewish people cannot be racist: FACT.

Uh, no. Anyone can be a racist. Even Jewish people. They are particularly noted for racism against Africans in Israel.

That said, racist behaviour or acts by Jews are much less frequent in the USA than other groups, primarily because Jews are a tiny minority of the population.

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Alyosha  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:43:32am

re: #405 Shimshon

Deliberately denying families from being together for reasons of undesirable demographic change isn’t racist. No siree.

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Alyosha  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:45:41am

re: #410 Anymouse

I left the sarc tags out since my entire line of argument made its tone pretty clear.

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Alyosha  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:46:09am

I tire of this.

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:46:20am

re: #328 Shimshon

I do not know what this means. Ignoring the fact that both are Semites, you don’t see why a Jewish nation would work to protect a Jewish identity when the people they block do not believe Israel should exist?

That is not all of the people. And even for those who do, their hearts and minds can easily be swayed by showing anti-Israelism and anti-Judaism is simply being used as an diversion from the true causes of their problems, which is the current set of leaders.

I mean, Israel has one of the most qualified military forces in terms of expertise. Why has the Psyops card barely been used? I mean, most of the leaders in that block are so vulnerable to Psyops that wouldn’t have to resort to any lies or manufactured evidence, you’d just have to show what they thought was hidden and public outrage will do the rest…

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:46:47am

re: #412 Alyosha

I left the sarc tags out since my entire line of argument made its tone pretty clear.

Sorry, the volume was turned down on my computer so I did not catch the tone. /s

See also “Jewish Confederates”
nytimes.com

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:46:52am

re: #404 Anymouse

Note I don’t condone such actions but I will try.

On nuclear weapons dropped on Japan, the usual arguments I hear are
a) There was no particular international convention at the time for using refugees and civilian populations as a means to upset an opponent’s military efforts
b) Firebombings such as Dresden actually caused greater civilian death and destruction,

On blocking Iran’s tourists and immigrants after the hostage crisis:
a) Iran had declared us their enemy
b) They seized our embassy and personnel

On collective punishment and fighting “Islamic terror” (note there is “Jewish terror” on the West Bank as well)

a) Some in the Israeli government think that collective punishment will eventually cow the Palestinians

On calling Israel an apartheid state or behaving as the Nazis did:
a) They have walled off the West Bank and seized land from Palestinians without compensation
b) They punish the families of individual criminals or terrorists, notably by bulldozing their homes
c) They are partitioning the West Bank further and further by allowing more settlements that they agreed to withdraw
d) They hold people on “administrative holds” in jail for months or years (much like Gitmo) without charge

I do not see how the Japan arguments are relevant to whether dropping the bombs were justified.

For Iran, I just pointed out that actions against a hostile country was no different than Israel’s actions. If anything you have backed up my argument.

But collective punishment is used in conflict, why is that acceptable for every other country to use this, but not Israel?

About seized land I do not wish to dive into another branch of the debate this early in the morning. I will simply say that since Palestinians actions, tactics, and views about the legitimacy of Israel have not changed before 1967 and the occupation then to me, this proves that the occupation argument was never valid, it was just a new excuse to justify terrorism.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:48:40am

re: #409 Nyet

Indeed, you debate by comparing not allowing a spouse to settle to killing Bin Laden.

I compared western tactics in fighting terrorism that use much worse collective punishment that hurts innocent people far more than Israel has ever used, which is not only accepted but how dare I question even something like dropping not one but 2 nuclear weapons when the war was almost over.

If you can’t see why that comment was relevant and keep having to misquote and take my comment out of context then why are you still here? Just to harass and troll me until I leave and you pat all your friends on the back for being so smart and moral?

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CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:49:58am

re: #406 Nyet

Understood, but it does make it highly unlikely.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:51:13am

re: #410 Anymouse

Uh, no. Anyone can be a racist. Even Jewish people. They are particularly noted for racism against Africans in Israel.

I was just gonna say I was sure Alyosha was being sarcastic, but he beat me to it.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:51:48am

re: #414 Teukka

That is not all of the people. And even for those who do, their hearts and minds can easily be swayed by showing anti-Israelism and anti-Judaism is simply being used as an diversion from the true causes of their problems, which is the current set of leaders.

I mean, Israel has one of the most qualified military forces in terms of expertise. Why has the Psyops card barely been used? I mean, most of the leaders in that block are so vulnerable to Psyops that wouldn’t have to resort to any lies or manufactured evidence, you’d just have to show what they thought was hidden and public outrage will do the rest…

Which side offered land for peace and was met with silence and continued terrorism? Of course Israel is ready to accept peace, and many in Israel are not happy about things like settlements.

I was just explaining that hardline and collective punishment tactics have been used against an enemy that does not negotiate.

Why then is the same tactic when used by Israel, the worst racism and outrageous, but when used by someone else, even dropping nuclear bombs, part of the righteous actions of a nation that is defending itself and trying to win a war?

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:52:16am

re: #416 Shimshon

Yup, I am going to bail on that line of argument too, it is way above my paygrade and I am not a fan of any religion anyway (which fuels much of what is going on there), as geopolitics, historical issues, and naked hatred of each other.

I have been to both Israel and the West Bank, and found both Israelis and Palestinians to be nice people (perhaps because I was an American and in the Navy, and not a member of either group). Most people just want to live their lives without interference, but both sides seem to have people that benefit from keeping up the hate and discontent.

I don’t claim to have an answer to their real problems; they didn’t teach me political science in high school.

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:53:38am

re: #419 CuriousLurker

I was just gonna say I was sure Alyosha was being sarcastic, but he beat me to it.

As I noted above:

Sorry, the volume was turned down on my computer so I did not catch the tone. /s

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CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:54:00am

re: #398 Shimshon

Why did you misrepresent what I said, AGAIN, and now ignore the racist policy of President Carter? Or is it not racist because it wasn’t enacted by Jews?

There you go again. You need to practice your critical thinking & debate skills if you’re going to argue here. Now you just sound hysterical.

I’m done—you can go ahead and tell yourself whatever you need to in order to “win” the argument. It’s Ramadan and I have better things to do. I’d think that you would too given that it’s Shabbat, but what do I know? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

re: #413 Alyosha

I tire of this.

Same here. Later, lizards.

~~~WHOOSH~~~
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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:54:17am

re: #421 Anymouse

Yup, I am going to bail on that line of argument too, it is way above my paygrade and I am not a fan of any religion anyway (which fuels much of what is going on there), as geopolitics, historical issues, and naked hatred of each other.

I have been to both Israel and the West Bank, and found both Israelis and Palestinians to be nice people (perhaps because I was an American and in the Navy, and not a member of either group). Most people just want to live their lives without interference, but both sides seem to have people that benefit from keeping up the hate and discontent.

I don’t claim to have an answer to their real problems; they didn’t teach me political science in high school.

I cannot argue with that. I would love to wake up tomorrow and see both Semites on each side suddenly not treat each other like the enemy. But I am a realist and today am explaining to other people that these actions that hurt many innocent people are unfortunate events in a complicated and long conflict. Next time Israel should learn their lesson, start dropping nukes until the other side accepts their entire demands. That seems to make me a racist I guess. So be it.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:55:57am

Shimshon is quite an inept debater, so I’ll formulate his best argument for him:

Sometimes you are forced to take actions that result in innocent individuals suffering and this law is such an action since it excludes the majority of the Palestinians who are hostile to Israel at the cost of the few who don’t.

Had this been so formulated from the start, without the overgeneralizing racist garbage, it would at least have been debatable.

Although still incorrect. Unlike with the collateral damage from bombings, the damage here is if not entirely preventable, then at least minimizable. Because unlike in the case of bombings, individual cases of those wishing to become citizens can be investigated and certain measures can be used, starting with oaths of allegiance, temporary surveillance and revoking of citizenship if the individual is found to be hostile after all. Hence the comparison with the military actions is unjustified.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:56:11am

re: #423 CuriousLurker

There you go again. You need to practice your critical thinking & debate skills if you’re going to argue here. Now you just sound hysterical.

I’m done—you can go ahead and tell yourself whatever you need to in order to “win” the argument. It’s Ramadan and I have better things to do. I’d think that you would too given that it’s Shabbat, but what do I know? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Same here. Later, lizards.

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You really can do a better job of trying to explain away why collective punishment of ALL IRANIANS after the revolution by a liberal Carter administration is acceptable and why the dropping of nuclear bombs as collective punishment is acceptable but Israel collectively punishing the other side who refuses to negotiate peace is racist.

Just mocking and insulting and patting each other on the back with private messages and gifs is not how you debate. If you can’t handle a debate and coming to terms with uncomfortable facts then do not hit that reply button to any of my comments ever again. Thank you in advance, goodbye.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:57:05am

re: #417 Shimshon

There was no misquote. This is what you wrote. Foot, meet mouth.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:57:16am

re: #425 Nyet

Shimshon is quite an inept debater, so I’ll formulate his best argument for him:

Sometimes you are forced to take actions that result in innocent individuals suffering and this law is such an action since it excludes the majority of the Palestinians who are hostile to Israel at the cost of the few who don’t.

Had this been so formulated from the start, without the overgeneralizing racist garbage, it would at least have been debatable.

Although still incorrect. Unlike with the collateral damage from bombings, the damage here is if not entirely preventable, then at least minimizable. Because unlike in the case of bombings, individual cases of those wishing to become citizens can be investigated and certain measures can be used, starting with oaths of allegiance, temporary surveillance and revoking of citizenship if the individual is found to be hostile after all. Hence the comparison with the military actions is unjustified.

You spent all this time again insulting, trolling, harassing, and mocking me, when you couldn’t be bothered to spend more than 5 seconds while you called me a racist and misquoted or took what I said out of context? And I am the inept debater who over generalizes? Jesus look at yourself in the mirror sometime.

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:57:53am

re: #424 Shimshon

I cannot argue with that. I would love to wake up tomorrow and see both Semites on each side suddenly not treat each other like the enemy. But I am a realist and today am explaining to other people that these actions that hurt many innocent people are unfortunate events in a complicated and long conflict. Next time Israel should learn their lesson, start dropping nukes until the other side accepts their entire demands. That seems to make me a racist I guess. So be it.

Well, Israel dropping nukes on the West Bank probably wouldn’t be good for Israel (fallout and such). It pretty much wouldn’t be good for any of their opponents because they are all too close. They have negotiated a peace treaty with Egypt and Jordan, and though those two nations are not exactly bosom buddies with Israel, they are no longer fighting. As for Syria, it is too busy fighting itself to present any credible threat to Israel at the moment; watchful waiting along the cease-fire line in Golan seems to be all that is needed there.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:58:18am

re: #427 Nyet

There was no misquote. This is what you wrote. Foot, meet mouth.

The misquote was you taking my quote out of context and putting it in your own new context, “you attacking Bin Laden” by itself without any context. Very dishonest and disappointing. I thought this community was better than that. I feel like I’m reading Free Republic trying to defend another Trump comment.

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2016 • 3:58:44am

re: #420 Shimshon

Which side offered land for peace and was met with silence and continued terrorism? Of course Israel is ready to accept peace, and many in Israel are not happy about things like settlements.

I was just explaining that hardline and collective punishment tactics have been used against an enemy that does not negotiate.

Why then is the same tactic when used by Israel, the worst racism and outrageous, but when used by someone else, even dropping nuclear bombs, part of the righteous actions of a nation that is defending itself and trying to win a war?

We’ve evolved since August 1945. The US has evolved since August 1945. We’ve learned from WWII, the use of Little Boy and Fat Man, and all the smaller conflicts since then. Certain kinds of actions simply do not bear the expected fruit, and may even prove to cement and exacerbate opposition to you. Don’t think for one second the argument I made about nuclear weapons is taken out of thin air, I’m willing to bet that the US military knows full well what I told you all, and barring Drumpfhole or some of his ideological and/or intellectual stature getting to the Whitehouse, the US is the least likely country to use a nuke in anger unless there is damn good reason to use it.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:00:57am

re: #429 Anymouse

Well, Israel dropping nukes on the West Bank probably wouldn’t be good for Israel (fallout and such). It pretty much wouldn’t be good for any of their opponents because they are all too close. They have negotiated a peace treaty with Egypt and Jordan, and though those two nations are not exactly bosom buddies with Israel, they are no longer fighting. As for Syria, it is too busy fighting itself to present any credible threat to Israel at the moment; watchful waiting along the cease-fire line in Golan seems to be all that is needed there.

Gaza and the WB were under Egyptian and Jordanian control before the 67 war. Neither wanted it back. And neither wanted before 67 to give Palestinians the country they supposedly wanted since 1948. Israel could have collectively punished these countries until both brought Palestinians back under their control either in the same land or pushed them off. That would have been the American thing to do. Israel chose the more moral thing, and gets called Nazis and racist. Go figure. Good morning/night/bye.

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:03:08am

re: #426 Shimshon

You really can do a better job of trying to explain away why collective punishment of ALL IRANIANS after the revolution by a liberal Carter administration is acceptable and why the dropping of nuclear bombs as collective punishment is acceptable but Israel collectively punishing the other side who refuses to negotiate peace is racist.

Just mocking and insulting and patting each other on the back with private messages and gifs is not how you debate. If you can’t handle a debate and coming to terms with uncomfortable facts then do not hit that reply button to any of my comments ever again. Thank you in advance, goodbye.

Well, Iran declared us its enemy after seizing our embassy (an act of war). We did not start bulldozing the homes of family members for the actions of the Iranian government for example. (Well, so-and-so was involved in the embassy takeover, so we will bulldoze his family’s homes in California.)

We never went to war with Iran, and never fired a shot at it under President Carter. The only shot fired I am aware of was the USS Vincennes shooting down an airliner over the Persian Gulf during the Reagan Administration. (That incident has been claimed as a crime against humanity by Iran and as a diversion by the US Navy which claimed it was using captured IFF identification codes for US F-14s, though no proof of that was released)

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:03:17am

re: #428 Shimshon

You spent all this time again insulting, trolling, harassing, and mocking me, when you couldn’t be bothered to spend more than 5 seconds while you called me a racist and misquoted or took what I said out of context? And I am the inept debater who over generalizes? Jesus look at yourself in the mirror sometime.

Nobody has misquoted you and what you wrote was racist. As simple as that.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:04:43am

re: #433 Anymouse

Well, Iran declared us its enemy after seizing our embassy (an act of war). We did not start bulldozing the homes of family members for the actions of the Iranian government for example. (Well, so-and-so was involved in the embassy takeover, so we will bulldoze his family’s homes in California.)

We never went to war with Iran, and never fired a shot at it under President Carter. The only shot fired I am aware of was the USS Vincennes shooting down an airliner over the Persian Gulf during the Reagan Administration. (That incident has been claimed as a crime against humanity by Iran and as a diversion by the US Navy which claimed it was using captured IFF identification codes for US F-14s, though no proof of that was released)

And Jews didn’t declare Palestinians enemy until the 1948 UN resolution was met with refusal and war. Then Israel after winning in 67 offered them all that land they won back minus east Jerusalem. Bulldozing homes was a desperate idea to try and counter the funding by Iran and Saudi Arabia and others who paid the families of suicide bombers for their “heroic” acts.

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:06:03am

re: #434 Nyet

Nobody has misquoted you and what you wrote was racist. As simple as that.

And before anyone makes that claim about me, all I’m saying is that there are more viable paths to peace than the current one.

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:08:01am

re: #435 Shimshon

And Jews didn’t declare Palestinians enemy until the 1948 UN resolution was met with refusal and war. Bulldozing homes was a desperate idea to try and counter the funding by Iran and Saudi Arabia and others who paid the families of suicide bombers for their “heroic” acts.

Well, since they were doing it to everyone’s families that were involved in criminal acts, that doesn’t really square with what is considered “cricket” under occupation rules as set forth in the Geneva Convention to which Israel is a signatory state. (That said, the Geneva Convention is ofttimes only honoured in the breach.)

As I said above, I don’t have any good solution (if I did, I would be getting the Nobel Peace Prize and worldwide accolades). I stick with Christopher Hitchens on this: Religion poisons everything.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:08:01am

re: #430 Shimshon

The misquote was you taking my quote out of context and putting it in your own new context, “you attacking Bin Laden” by itself without any context. Very dishonest and disappointing. I thought this community was better than that. I feel like I’m reading Free Republic trying to defend another Trump comment.

Sorry, there was no context whatsoever that would have saved what you wrote. I even quoted it in full, and will quote it in full once again:

Do you actually have a point to debate, besides crying racist over and over?

Is it racist for America to fight Al Qaeda and kill Bin Laden? Or is fighting terrorism okay, unless you are Jews under the flag of Israel?

Not a peep about collateral damage. Just straight up comparison of denying people citizenship with killing Bin Laden.

Granted, this may have been on your mind when you wrote it. But that’s why you are an inept debater: you should write such things out explicitly instead of making your opponents guess.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:08:10am

re: #436 Teukka

And before anyone makes that claim about me, all I’m saying is that there are more viable paths to peace than the current one.

By all means you can win a Nobel prize if you have one.

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:10:22am

My mother offered a solution once: embargo the whole region and every country in it, let ‘em fight it out since that seems to be what they want to do, then destroy the winner. (It was said in black-hearted jest, but honestly I don’t see what to do here.)

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:11:23am

re: #439 Shimshon

By all means you can win a Nobel prize if you have one.

All I know that the psyops card laser focused on the leaders which promote the view that Israel shouldn’t exist has barely been played.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:12:11am
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Teukka  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:13:20am

re: #440 Anymouse

My mother offered a solution once: embargo the whole region and every country in it, let ‘em fight it out since that seems to be what they want to do, then destroy the winner. (It was said in black-hearted jest, but honestly I don’t see what to do here.)

Nah. Build the wall, but around the mid east, aim every nuke missile in existence in the world at the region, give them 72 hours to achieve peace. My $.02 is on a peace deal being on the table with the first 24 to 48 hours. semi-///

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:14:38am

re: #437 Anymouse

Well, since they were doing it to everyone’s families that were involved in criminal acts, that doesn’t really square with what is considered “cricket” under occupation rules as set forth in the Geneva Convention to which Israel is a signatory state. (That said, the Geneva Convention is ofttimes only honoured in the breach.)

As I said above, I don’t have any good solution (if I did, I would be getting the Nobel Peace Prize and worldwide accolades). I stick with Christopher Hitchens on this: Religion poisons everything.

You are mixing up different actions. The bulldozing of homes was only the specific family of the suicide bomber. And that was to try and discourage families and outside actors like the Gulf terrorist supporters from helping families benefit for their terrorism.

The bulldozing of many homes in specific zones is very controversial and I personally do not support settlements but this also goes back to collective punishment. The specific zones settlements are built on are areas that Israel will receive in any land for peace deal. Arguments for settlements and controlling land that I understand but may not fully support are collective punishment which are used to bring the other side to the negotiation table and also arguments such as areas that hold tactical advantage in a possible future war like defensive positions on the Golan Heights.

When the Taliban are coming to the negotiation table, America targets high level leaders in raids and drone strikes. This ends up collectively punishing many innocent people and sometimes hurting any negotiation.

War is hell, as you know since you have been in war and seen the horrible cost. I wish each side in the Israel conflict could see the other as brothers, and agree to a 2 state solution. The tactics used by Israel described in this debate are not unique as I have tried explaining in detail. Which is why I am so puzzled at how harshly they are criticized compared to other countries with similar fights.

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:17:19am

re: #441 Teukka

All I know that the psyops card laser focused on the leaders which promote the view that Israel shouldn’t exist has barely been played.

Problem: These leaders are supported by countries that Israel has no choice in having indirect or cold secret relations with due to something like requiring oil and gas, coal, intelligence sharing because the enemy of my enemy is my friend and the Gulf states are so afraid of the terrorists they helped build that they secretly work with Israel to fight them.

And then if you got rid of all Palestinians that refuse to accept Israel has a right to exist and be Jewish you’d need to worry about hardcore right wing Jews that refuse to accept Palestine has a right to exist.

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:19:52am

re: #445 Shimshon

Problem: These leaders are supported by countries that Israel has no choice in having indirect or cold secret relations with due to something like requiring oil and gas, coal, intelligence sharing because the enemy of my enemy is my friend and the Gulf states are so afraid of the terrorists they helped build that they secretly work with Israel to fight them.

And then if you got rid of all Palestinians that refuse to accept Israel has a right to exist and be Jewish you’d need to worry about hardcore right wing Jews that refuse to accept Palestine has a right to exist.

You’re not aware of the rampant corruption in places like Gaza? Or in many countries which are staunchly anti-Israel? I mean, from a psyops perspective, they are fruits ripe to be picked. Why isn’t that being done?

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:25:48am

re: #444 Shimshon

Well, to be fair I have not been directly involved in any combat (logistics and support only).

I was miffed at our government over the recent drone strikes against the Taliban leaders who were setting up negotiations with the Afghan government; war is always started and ended by politicians, and it seemed to me to be counter-productive (it hardened the will of the Taliban to fight on).

That said, I am not privy to all the information our government had, so I am trying to G2 a war from my computer keyboard in Nebraska. There may be other reasons that was done the government will not release (but that allows all sorts of speculation and second-guessing, probably most of it untrue).

We used the same tactics as Israel against Native Americans, and still today many do not view that as genocide. We also hold people in Gitmo who the DOD has cleared to be released as never involved in any military or criminal actions against the USA, and an awful lot of people are willing instead to let them stay there forever.

Unfortunately, both warfare and politics can be awful to people who don’t deserve it. Hamas launching homemade rockets into southern Israel is not considered to be proper conduct in warfare today (unguided rockets that can hit anything from military targets to schools or homes). On the other hand, invading Gaza and practically levelling it seems to be a disproportionate response, as was dropping cluster munitions on the land north of the Lebanese border.

Both sides of the conflict seem to be in it for “ultimate victory” and at the moment are not really interested in sitting down to work out the hard details of a peace settlement (with the notable exceptions of Jordan and Egypt).

Turkey was actually allied with Israel until the IDF attacked an seized an unarmed ship carrying building supplies and relief supplies to Gaza in international waters. That single act poisoned relations between the two countries.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:32:52am

As a small footnote: the nation is a hub of the far-left lunacy. One should do a triple take about anything one reads there.

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Alyosha  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:36:17am

I’m not going to re-enter the debate, but I’ve never laid out an actual position here and I might just as easily be an anti-Semite caping for a Palestinian state.
I support Israel’s right to exist, inasmuch as any country has a tangible right to be. I can see the allure of having a state which is in it’s core identity a sanctuary. The Holocaust of course is part of why I’m prepared to allow a certain leeway on some of Israel’s more egregious practises. The fact that it’s also a settler state makes that sense of precariousness understandable.
The Palestinians, while not recognized by Israel, are not adequately represented by their official organs (Fattah, generally-speaking but Hamas in particular). Their failings and the horrific sectarian revenge-cult it has spawned against Israeli civilians is tragic and utterly deplorable.
But Israel’s responses to this violence have oftentime been heavy-handed. That too, is horrid and depressing.
I would love to see a situation similar to that Lawhawk sometimes suggests as a hopeful pathway to peace. I hope one day there can be a two-state solution with mutually-agreed upon land swaps, with Jerusalem being shared, or an open city of some kind.

Israel should be our closest ME ally as it is the only functionally-liberal democracy.
So when they pass blatently racist laws that only put off the eventual capital A-word state coming into being, it annoys me to say the least.

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:38:50am

re: #448 Nyet

As a small footnote: the nation is a hub of the far-left lunacy. One should do a triple take about anything one reads there.

“Far-left lunacy?” The Nation is the oldest continuously published magazine in the USA. It has been banned in many places for daring to suggest far-left lunatic ideas such as Joe McCarthy was a demagogue, or that negotiation with the Soviet Union might be a good thing. (Later, McCarthy was discredited and we negotiated with the Soviet Union under Ronald Reagan, known left-wing lunatic.)

It has left-leaning opinion. It is nowhere near as lunatic as something like Breitbart or FOX News (both of which present themselves as fact and news, not opinion).

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:40:50am

*shrug* Historical tragedies do not justify any egregious practices today, so no, no double standards. The opposite approach devalues history.

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Alyosha  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:44:52am

re: #451 Nyet

*shrug* Historical tragedies do not justify any egregious practices today, so no, no double standards. The opposite approach devalues history.

The ‘certain leeway’ I give them is usually not bringing it up here.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:48:23am

re: #450 Anymouse

thenation.com
thenation.com
thenation.com
thenation.com
thenation.com

I stand by my assessment.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:51:48am

re: #346 Shimshon

Not allowing your country to change demographics when one side wants you all driven into the sea is a tactic you use to defend yourself. Drone striking dozens of innocents to kill one Al Qaeda or Taliban member is another. These are tactics sides use to punish and destroy the other side who threatens you. Innocent people get caught in it and it is not pretty. If only one side had agreed to the 1948 partition plan, right?

I’m afraid events since then have demonstrated no side (There is more than one) agrees to the 1948 partition plan.

There will never be peace in the Middle East because too many people do not want peace. They want victory.

As you just so nicely demonstrated.

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lawhawk  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:00:44am

re: #144 Belafon

It’s going to be a glorious morning here in the NYC metro area. All weekend even. Definitely takes the mind off the ugliness in the financial markets, the wildfires out west, or the flooding in West Virginia.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:01:40am

This is perhaps the best of all:

thenation.com

By the nation’s publisher, her hubby (one of the editors) and the execrable Mearsheimer. Yeah, democracy, liberalism and American triumphalism are to blame, not the resurgent Russian nationalism and imperialism. Blech. the nation can go fuck itself.

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:02:16am

re: #453 Nyet

Article one is a reprint of a Reuters News opinion piece. (It got far more exposure at Reuters than in The Nation.) It also lays out facts about Putin. It says to stop demonising him, it does not claim he is not dangerous. It also appeared four years ago.

The second quotes various news sources and notes those news sources did not provide evidence for their assertions. It also challenges the assertion that Russia manufactured the Syrian refugee crisis in Europe (that challenge has been made in the past), since there is no evidence for that.

The third calls out newspapers such as the Washington Post and New York Times for blurring the distinction between facts and opinions. This has been going on since the Bush Administration sold the Senate and the public on the idea of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. It seems fairly apparent to me that the Foxification of the media is well under way, and has been for a while. That article calls out that blurring of lines.

Article four calls out the idea that Russia is not the only bad player in Ukraine but also the government after the Maiden Revolution. It cites various incidents (such as actions by Right Sector, a fascist group), and questions why the narrative in the press is one-sided (Russia evil). Neither side in this conflict is coming out smelling like roses, though I don’t know all the details (I doubt our own government does).

The fifth article is about the snub on Russia’s celebration of Victory Day, attended by our allies but not by us. I agreed then it was a snub. I still think it was a snub. The Soviet Union suffered mightily in World War II, and they were our allies in that war.

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lawhawk  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:10:11am

The UKIP platform to leave is built on lies and nativism/xenophobia. Time to hold them all accountable for the lie.

There’s already a move to have a second referendum, particularly in light of the NKIP admission that the £350M to NHS is simply not true and wouldn’t happen.

You have to wonder if the vote would have come out if everyone knew it was a lie.

The rest of Europe is like, screw that - you built that mess. Your orderly exit is necessary for being wankers.

Scotland’s all like - yeah, about that “leaving”. We want to stay, and we’ll do what we must to stay in the EU.

You really have to wonder what this was all about when both Trump and Putin are both ecstatic about the Brexit. Trump’s responses yesterday show he cares nothing for what happens to anyone but himself. He thinks this is great.

There’s nothing great about the purposeful vaporization of a trillion+ dollars worth of value, watching British pensioners lose their savings, and the government’s credit rating essentially downgraded.

The GOP wants to follow Trump down this rabbit hole? No fucking way. Want to know the wages of a Trump presidency? Look no further than his cheering the economic wasteland in wake of Brexit. Look at your pocketbook. That’s what Trump is cheering.

Nativism and xenophobia built this. Economic illiteracy helps. And the GOP profits from the ignorance and irrational hate/fear.

$2.1 trillion in global wealth wiped out. Trump cheers.

He thinks this benefits his NY real estate holdings.

Your pocketbook begs to differ.

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sagehen  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:11:43am

re: #362 Alyosha

Israel is at peace with its Arab neighbours. If you think the existence of Hamas et al is enough to rationalise apartheid-esque discriminatory policy then I don’t know what to tell you.
We expect more from Israel because she is the only credible democracy in the region.

We expect more from Israel because we always demand more of Jews. Because they’re Jews.

And it’s not just “the existence” of Hamas… it’s that every time the Palestinians go to the ballot box they overwhelmingly select Hamas. That’s their chosen representatives, their chosen leadership. A clear majority of Palestinians would very much like us to think of them as Hamas-ish.

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:13:23am

re: #458 lawhawk

—-8<—-SNIP—-8<—-SNIP—-8<—-SNIP—-8<—-SNIP—-8<—-SNIP
The GOP wants to follow Trump down this rabbit hole? No fucking way. Want to know the wages of a Trump presidency? Look no further than his cheering the economic wasteland in wake of Brexit. Look at your pocketbook. That’s what Trump is cheering.

Nativism and xenophobia built this. Economic illiteracy helps. And the GOP profits from the ignorance and irrational hate/fear.

$2.1 trillion in global wealth wiped out. Trump cheers.

He thinks this benefits his NY real estate holdings.

Your pocketbook begs to differ.

Some people just want to watch the world burn…

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lawhawk  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:15:10am

Mass shooting in Fort Worth, Texas. 6 shot, 2 dead outside a Fort Worth dance hall.

Reset the clock.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:15:50am

re: #461 lawhawk

Mass shooting in Fort Worth, Texas. 6 shot, 2 dead outside a Fort Worth dance hall.

Reset the clock.

Damn.

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:17:51am

Addicting Info has a collection of tweets after Donald Trump’s amazing (and wrong) statement about Scotland being in favour of the Brexit move and “taking their country back” (that will likely happen in another referendum about leaving the UK, not the EU).

It also has a picture of the red gold balls with swastikas on them (there were a lot) surrounding his podium during his speech at the golf course there.

(Many of the tweets are NSFW, but in an unusual Scottish twist for American readers. They are creative with insulting names.)

addictinginfo.org

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Alyosha  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:19:36am

re: #459 sagehen

We expect more from Israel because we always demand more of Jews. Because they’re Jews.

And it’s not just “the existence” of Hamas… it’s that every time the Palestinians go to the ballot box they overwhelmingly select Hamas. That’s their chosen representatives, their chosen leadership. A clear majority of Palestinians would very much like us to think of them as Hamas-ish.

I try not to make characterisations about Israel by their choice in PM.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:19:50am

re: #394 Alyosha

Jewish people cannot be racist: FACT.

The Israeli government (which is not the whole of the Jewish race or the religion of Judaism) is aware that there are so many fundamentalist US idiots who need a resurgent Israel to fulfill their Biblical End Times prophecies that they can get away with nearly anything and still receive unconditional political and economic support.

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:20:26am

re: #464 Alyosha

I try not to make characterisations about Israel by their choice in PM.

Just as no one should characterise American voters if we elect Donald Trump?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:21:27am

Wasn’t on late last night so I missed the conversation on xenophobia and stuff. I think xenophobia is a real problem not just in our society but other societies too. Remember that freak out when a woman spoke Navajo in a Super Bowl commerical. A language that was literally spoken on this country’s lands for generations before the first English speaker. A friend, a conservative friend at this related a story of a woman in hijab talking in Britain, she was rudely told “We speak English here in Great Britain.” Turned out that the woman was speaking Welsh and they were in Wales. We live in a time where violence against Sikhs occurs because people think they look too much like Muslims. And where it is common to scapegoat immigrants for lost work. I’m only talking about xenophobic that exists in the West because frankly that’s our collective culture and what we’ve identified ourselves as. Honestly, I just can’t help but to think that these people would have hassled some of my own family for the sin of speaking the English language with a foreign accent. They get told, learn English, you’re in America and then when they do speak English, they get shit for their English being heavily accented.

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Alyosha  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:21:46am

re: #466 Anymouse

Well, that’s different ;)

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:22:28am

re: #167 b_sharp

I’m surprised most of you know what Saskatchewan is. It’s one of the least consequential provinces in Canada.

Easy to draw, but hard to spell.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:23:22am

re: #461 lawhawk

Mass shooting in Fort Worth, Texas. 6 shot, 2 dead outside a Fort Worth dance hall.

Reset the clock.

studio74fw.org
It’s a Hip-Hop club and the victims are most likely AA. Won’t count……. Just more black on black violence.

/////////

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:26:53am

re: #457 Anymouse

Article one is a reprint of a Reuters News opinion piece. (It got far more exposure at Reuters than in The Nation.)

Your point being? It’s by the nation’s editor and constant author cum Putin apologist.

It also lays out facts about Putin.

It lays out spin about Putin.

It says to stop demonising him,

AKA stop saying the truth about his oligarchical dictatorship.

it does not claim he is not dangerous. It also appeared four years ago.

Which shows it’s not a new thing for this rag.

The second quotes various news sources and notes those news sources did not provide evidence for their assertions. It also challenges the assertion that Russia manufactured the Syrian refugee crisis in Europe (that challenge has been made in the past), since there is no evidence for that.

IOW it counters what was reasonable speculation not from a neutral POV but rather with a blindingly obvious pro-Putin spin.

The third calls out newspapers such as the Washington Post and New York Times for blurring the distinction between facts and opinions. This has been going on since the Bush Administration sold the Senate and the public on the idea of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. It seems fairly apparent to me that the Foxification of the media is well under way, and has been for a while. That article calls out that blurring of lines.

No, the article complains about “Putin-bashing”, as if bashing a dictator were somehow bad.

Article four calls out the idea that Russia is not the only bad player in Ukraine but also the government after the Maiden Revolution.

Which is an MBF nonsense establishing the author as a Putin apologist.

It cites various incidents (such as actions by Right Sector, a fascist group),

IOW it repeats Putin’s narrative.

and questions why the narrative in the press is one-sided (Russia evil).

Because the narrative was accurate?

Neither side in this conflict is coming out smelling like roses, though I don’t know all the details (I doubt our own government does).

“The Allies bombed Dresden, so they weren’t better than the Nazis” type of MBF.

The fifth article is about the snub on Russia’s celebration of Victory Day, attended by our allies but not by us. I agreed then it was a snub. I still think it was a snub. The Soviet Union suffered mightily in World War II, and they were our allies in that war.

Of course it was a snub for everyone who thinks that Russia equals USSR, who doesn’t know that Ukraine was a part of the USSR and thus took part in the same war, who doesn’t see the fact that the Victory cult has been instrumentalized by Putin to excuse anything and everything in Soviet history as well as his current actions, and doesn’t understand the simple fact that taking part in promotion of the same instrumentalization at a time when Putin’s Russia invaded its neighbor and caused thousands of deaths is deeply unethical.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:27:52am

re: #469 Feline Fearless Leader

Easy to draw, but hard to spell.

Besides, a lot of us remember this:

The Guess Who - Running Back to Saskatoon

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:28:50am

re: #467 HappyWarrior

Wasn’t on late last night so I missed the conversation on xenophobia and stuff. I think xenophobia is a real problem not just in our society but other societies too. Remember that freak out when a woman spoke Navajo in a Super Bowl commerical. A language that was literally spoken on this country’s lands for generations before the first English speaker. A friend, a conservative friend at this related a story of a woman in hijab talking in Britain, she was rudely told “We speak English here in Great Britain.” Turned out that the woman was speaking Welsh and they were in Wales. We live in a time where violence against Sikhs occurs because people think they look too much like Muslims. And where it is common to scapegoat immigrants for lost work. I’m only talking about xenophobic that exists in the West because frankly that’s our collective culture and what we’ve identified ourselves as. Honestly, I just can’t help but to think that these people would have hassled some of my own family for the sin of speaking the English language with a foreign accent. They get told, learn English, you’re in America and then when they do speak English, they get shit for their English being heavily accented.

re: #468 Alyosha

When wingnuts put a ballot initiative on the ballot in Oklahoma to make English the official language, the day after it was approved the Tulsa World printed its next edition entirely in Cherokee.

Well, that’s different ;)

With tongue-in-cheek statements from some liberals in the USA suggesting that the country give Texas back to Mexico, its foreign minister put out on Twitter that Mexico would consider that an act of war.

re: #469 Feline Fearless Leader

Easy to draw, but hard to spell.

SK. (::

I never had much trouble with spelling or world geography. On the other hand, I am interested in more than just the geography of my county.

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:32:42am

re: #471 Nyet

Well, I guess we will have to differ in opinion here. I have similar opinions of The Weekly Standard and The National Review. (As for sites like Drudge Report, World Net Nut Daily [could put up some really good videos of Alex Jones if you like], or FOX News Channel, The Nation doesn’t even come close.) FOX doesn’t even lie well, at least for liberals but they are not aimed at us = see every time they bring up a crime or peccadillo by a conservative politician they can’t ignore due to wide press coverage, they put a [D] after his name.

Edit to fix free-ranging parentheses.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:35:30am

re: #474 Anymouse

There is not much to disagree on. You seem to like Putin apologia, I don’t. Tastes differ.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:38:23am

One thing is clear though - those who object to helping other countries with developing democracy and liberalism and call this opposition “progressive”, and even go so far as to excuse dictators’ actions on this basis as a natural “reaction” to this, are not on the same team as me.

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:40:10am

re: #473 Anymouse

I have a “foreign accent” that used to get called out around here but not so much any more: Michigan heavily tinged with SW Ontario. My wife when she first met me confused me with being a Canadian (I told her I was not polite enough to pass the Canadian citizenship exam).

When I first moved here a lot of people commented on my accent (my opinion is I don’t have an accent, they do). Not so much any more (they got used to it).

When I lived in Michigan, I used to think people from Ohio had a “southern” accent, just not as pronounced as say, north Georgia. (When I was stationed in Virginia Beach I practically went crazy: Is there no one in this city that speaks English?) (::

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:44:22am

re: #476 Nyet

One thing is clear though - those who object to helping other countries with developing democracy and liberalism and call this opposition “progressive”, and even go so far as to excuse dictators’ actions on this basis as a natural “reaction” to this, are not on the same team as me.

Well, democracy wasn’t a big hit here either when it first started. (For some today it is not a big hit either.)

I do not recall (but my education is poor and spotty so forgive me if I missed someplace) any country that suddenly embraced democratic ideals without either numerous setbacks or outright warfare.

Even today in the USA we are still fighting the idea of universal suffrage for all adults (I was denied the right to vote when I was homeless for example, though no where in the Constitution does it say that having a place to live is a prerequisite to voting). Many states where voting outcomes might be close seem to be engaged in erecting hurdles to voting. (My state, with its near universal Republican legislature and local governments makes it just as easy to vote as Oregon, all by mail in the rural areas, and opt-in for mail voting in cities.)

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:46:10am

re: #474 Anymouse

Well, I guess we will have to differ in opinion here. I have similar opinions of The Weekly Standard and The National Review. (As for sites like Drudge Report, World Net Nut Daily [could put up some really good videos of Alex Jones if you like], or FOX News Channel, The Nation doesn’t even come close.) FOX doesn’t even lie well, at least for liberals but they are not aimed at us = see every time they bring up a crime or peccadillo by a conservative politician they can’t ignore due to wide press coverage, they put a [D] after his name.

Edit to fix free-ranging parentheses.

re: #475 Nyet

There is not much to disagree on. You seem to like Putin apologia, I don’t. Tastes differ.

It can also be that he lacks the experience we have, like for me, coming from a country which paid through its nose for siding with fascists, and know to stay clear from it at all costs.
With my upbringing, I can smell a fascist from a couple of miles away, even if it’s disguised as a social democrat.
I also learned early what an useful idiot is, and what their fate usually is once they’ve served their purpose.
And several other icky pieces of knowledge.

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sagehen  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:46:42am

re: #464 Alyosha

I try not to make characterisations about Israel by their choice in PM.

That would be the PM who got 23% of the vote? Who more than 3/4 of the voters didn’t want? Damn right you shouldn’t make characterizations of Israel by their “choice” in PM.

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:50:28am

re: #479 Teukka

Well, I do not come from such a country, but I can generally ferret out a person staking out fascist positions if I hear or read them.

That said, I now live in a state where the state governor is rich enough to pay for a ballot initiative out of his own pocket to re-instate the death penalty.

(On the other hand, he is under investigation for illegally importing death penalty drugs with diverted tax money, so there is that.)

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:51:49am

Drove from DC to Baltimore yesterday afternoon to see the Orioles play. On the way(in very slow traffic), saw a couple of guys on an overpass that has put up some signage. They were pumping their fists; very proud of their work. One sign(probably 4X4 feet) for each word

Can’t be bought: Trump

An American Flag on one side

Flag of the United Kingdom on the other

Just damn.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:51:58am

re: #479 Teukka

Tbh, I sometimes find your position to be too extreme in the other direction, but not as extreme as that of Heuvel, Cohen and their ilk.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:54:01am

re: #482 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Drove from DC to Baltimore yesterday afternoon to see the Orioles play. On the way(in very slow traffic), saw a couple of guys on an overpass that has put up some signage. They were pumping their fists; very proud of their work. One sign(probably 4X4 feet) for each word

Can’t be bought: Trump

An American Flag on one side

Flag of the United Kingdom on the other

Just damn.

How did you like Camden Yards? Great place to see a game isn’t it? Damn though, that’s a surprising sight to see in Maryland but Maryland does have its wingnutty parts unfortunately.

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William Lewis  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:54:35am

re: #480 sagehen

That would be the PM who got 23% of the vote? Who more than 3/4 of the voters didn’t want? Damn right you should make characterizations of Israel by their “choice” in PM.

Our system is badly broken in many ways but when I look at parliamentary systems? I get down on my knees and give great thanks ;)

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:56:04am

OT: The village maintenance mechanic is out in front of my house grading the street for the upcoming lawn-tractor pull contest today. (One of the big events here. Lawn tractors that look like they belong on a top fuel racetrack.)

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Ming5000  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:56:58am

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

To me the message is that governments that refuse to address matters of great public concern effectively are likely to eventually face a reckoning. David Cameron could not or would not address public concerns about immigration and national sovereignty and it has cost him his job.

I think D-F has a point here. The EU is struggling with an overwhelming wave of not just refugees, but of migration in general. There is a fear that the local culture is being wiped out.

Many there feel that the political leadership did not hold the same concerns.

I do not think you would see PBO or HRC making the same mistake. The fears/concerns of approximately half the population (seems to be about the same here as there) cannot simply be dismissed.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:59:17am

re: #485 William Lewis

Our system is badly broken in many ways but when I look at parliamentary systems? I get down on my knees and give great thanks ;)

Parliamentary confuses the hell out of me granted because as an American, I’m so used to our system but I do like how we get to choose our leaders even if the EC IMO is a very archaic concept.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:59:21am

re: #484 HappyWarrior

How did you like Camden Yards? Great place to see a game isn’t it? Damn though, that’s a surprising sight to see in Maryland but Maryland does have its wingnutty parts unfortunately.

Game was awesome. Seats were awesome. Got a crab cake there too.

Went to Arlington and then Mount Vernon in the morning.

One of my former students is buried in Arlington. He was killed in Afghanistan last summer.

Trying to get pics uploaded, but the Wifi at our hotel sucks Leave Wankers

Headed back into the Mall today. Going to hit the Lincoln, Jefferson, Washington and other monuments.

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:59:34am

re: #481 Anymouse

Well, I do not come from such a country, but I can generally ferret out a person staking out fascist positions if I hear or read them.

Look closer at Putin, and what kind of rhethoric is coming out of the mouths of him and is crew, as well as their spokespersons. But don’t let the history of the country he came from nor his past jobs fool you. For some like me, it’s distressing to see a country being devoured from within by the very same beast it lost 8-digit numbers of peope vanquishing the last time around.
Oh, and Finland got off easy. But the reparations alone took 40 years to pay off. Not to mention other non-negotiable conditions of the ‘44 peace still in effect.

That said, I now live in a state where the state governor is rich enough to pay for a ballot initiative out of his own pocket to re-instate the death penalty.

(On the other hand, he is under investigation for illegally importing death penalty drugs with diverted tax money, so there is that.)

Yeah. But how many are truly interested in seeing how deep the rabbit hole goes, whatever the consequences?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:59:40am

re: #485 William Lewis

Our system is badly broken in many ways but when I look at parliamentary systems? I get down on my knees and give great thanks ;)

Yeah, a lot of people seem to think a parliamentary system with a congeries of small parties would be a great thing. I’m over it. The Nazis peaked at 42% of the vote. If tRump gets 42%, that’s a total humiliation, and nobody’s going to worm him into power through some back-bench shenanigans.

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:59:54am

re: #487 Ming5000

Here nearly half our population thinks our “culture” (whatever that might be) is being wiped out merely because President Obama was elected in two landslides.

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:01:27am

re: #483 Nyet

Tbh, I sometimes find your position to be too extreme in the other direction, but not as extreme as that of Heuvel, Cohen and their ilk.

That is because I’m close enough to feel some effects of a certain country which shall not be named throwing its weight around. And that I from an early age was taught to recognize the beast and pay no attention to who or what it is.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:02:04am

re: #489 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Game was awesome. Seats were awesome. Got a crab cake there too.

Went to Arlington and then Mount Vernon in the morning.

One of my former students is buried in Arlington. He was killed in Afghanistan last summer.

Trying to get pics uploaded, but the Wifi at our hotel sucks Leave Wankers

Headed back into the Mall today. Going to hit the Lincoln, Jefferson, Washington and other monuments.

The place has become so fun to see a game since the O’s got competitive. Arlington is always a moving experience. I have a distant relative who’s buried there. Always did enjoy Mount Vernon too. Can’t wait to see the photos. Seems like you got a fun day ahead of you. There’s lots of beautiful memorials on the mall. I’ve always thought the Korean War one was great granted I’m biased since my grandfather was a Korean War vet but I like it and the FDR one I think is beautiful on a summer’s evening when it’s lit up. Have fun. D.C is a nice place to visit.

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:03:22am

re: #490 Teukka

I am under no illusion that Vladimir Putin is some sort of nice guy. He does run a huge country though, with a large military, and simply snubbing him is not a real solution. (Even Ronald Reagan met with the Soviet leader, and Nixon with the Chinese leader. RINO liberal scum.)

As for our state governor, it was UPS in India that tipped off our DEA. They are running the investigation.

In the last governor’s administration, the lieutenant governor was ousted for assaulting his sister and mother. (We have some real family values Republicans here.)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:03:56am

re: #491 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yeah, a lot of people seem to think a parliamentary system with a congeries of small parties would be a great thing. I’m over it. The Nazis peaked at 42% of the vote. If tRump gets 42%, that’s a total humiliation, and nobody’s going to worm him into power through some back-bench shenanigans.

Yep that’s a good point. And honestly the more I see from some of our smaller parties i.e. the LP, Greens, etc I don’t really like what I see. The Democrats aren’t perfect but I think of all the parties in the U.S, they do fit my value system the best.

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Ming5000  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:03:59am

re: #153 Belafon

England’s sovereignty was never threatened. This is about white supremacy.

Good article about GB’s dreaming of sovereignty from the Economist, March 2016

There are three strands to the sovereignty argument.

also, this quote:

Many talk of being sovereign as if it were like being pregnant: one either is or is not.

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:07:53am

Well, I am off to bed. I need to get to sleep before lawn tractors fitted with Allison aircraft engines are fired up in front of my house. (Well, perhaps the engines aren’t quite that big, but the lawn tractors they bring to this tractor pull every year are something to behold. I wasn’t aware there was a niche for souped up lawn tractor pulling before I moved here.)

Goodnight, eh. (Or is that y’all? My wife constantly needles me over “eh.”)

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:09:52am

Russian national-patriots’ wet dream.

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Ming5000  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:12:01am

re: #492 Anymouse

Here nearly half our population thinks our “culture” (whatever that might be) is being wiped out merely because President Obama was elected in two landslides.

I know. It is inexplicable to me. It seems like they live in a different world than me on so many issues. However, I think PBO handled it beautifully. He communicated, remained steady and Presidential, and was resolved to his principles. He didn’t give away to them, or submit. He also did not dismiss or demean them. He played the long game.
PBO has a record to stand on. I am hoping HRC can manage similar derpitude as effectively.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:12:09am

re: #493 Teukka

Extreme as in too ready to entertain CT-like stuff. I understand the temptation, but….

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:14:01am

re: #499 Nyet

Russian national-patriots’ wet dream.

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You know, if that wasn’t in Russian, I’d think that was a wingnut meme wet dream. What’s it say in English though?

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Joe Bacon  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:14:36am

re: #491 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yeah, a lot of people seem to think a parliamentary system with a congeries of small parties would be a great thing. I’m over it. The Nazis peaked at 42% of the vote. If tRump gets 42%, that’s a total humiliation, and nobody’s going to worm him into power through some back-bench shenanigans.

I don’t put anything past Republicans. I remember 2000 all too well. There is no doubt in my mind that Roger Stone is encouraging the Bernie supporters to continue dividing the Democrats. Stone is hoping that they will vote for Stein just enough so he can get his pal Trump in. The problem standing in the way is that the GOP no longer has five votes on the Supreme Court. But that won’t stop the GOP from using every dirty trick.

The only plus—The GOP can’t kill my son again. They killed him in Iraq. And that blame not only falls on the GOP, it falls on Nader as well. No matter how hard he tries, Nader will never wash my son’s blood off of his hands. And that goes double for Susan Sarandon as well!

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:14:56am

re: #495 Anymouse

I am under no illusion that Vladimir Putin is some sort of nice guy. He does run a huge country though, with a large military, and simply snubbing him is not a real solution. (Even Ronald Reagan met with the Soviet leader, and Nixon with the Chinese leader. RINO liberal scum.)

He’s doing the snubbing, not the other way around. It was Putin who escalated things, not Europe or the US , who, with Clinton as State Secy, was ready to reload the relationships in a more friendly direction (and they she’s a hawk, lol).

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:15:42am

re: #499 Nyet

Russian national-patriots’ wet dream.

[Embedded content]

Don’t they know there’s always a gang of spunky high-school kids ready to take them down?

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:16:30am

re: #495 Anymouse

I am under no illusion that Vladimir Putin is some sort of nice guy. He does run a huge country though, with a large military, and simply snubbing him is not a real solution. (Even Ronald Reagan met with the Soviet leader, and Nixon with the Chinese leader. RINO liberal scum.)

I’m not saying Vlad & The Kremlin Crew should be snubbed.
What I’m saying is that they should be put on notice as to the nature of the beast they’re currently busy fellating.

As for our state governor, it was UPS in India that tipped off our DEA. They are running the investigation.

In the last governor’s administration, the lieutenant governor was ousted for assaulting his sister and mother. (We have some real family values Republicans here.)

Well, what I meant with how deep the rabbit hole goes, would federal authorities be able not to ignore signs of treason proper at the core of one of the major parties?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:16:42am

re: #505 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Don’t they know there’s always a gang of spunky high-school kids ready to take them down?

Family Guy - Red Dawn the Musical

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:17:20am

re: #499 Nyet

Russian national-patriots’ wet dream.

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*raises eyebrow*
What’s the translation? Curious minds want to know…

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:18:47am

re: #502 HappyWarrior

You know, if that wasn’t in Russian, I’d think that was a wingnut meme wet dream. What’s it say in English though?

“Medal for Washington city”. Which is a reference to a patriotic song about war mentioning “medal for Budapest city”. So this is just another example of the instrumentalization of the Victory cult.

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:20:10am

re: #501 Nyet

Extreme as in too ready to entertain CT-like stuff. I understand the temptation, but….

re: #501 Nyet

Extreme as in too ready to entertain CT-like stuff. I understand the temptation, but….

The world doesn’t know even a third of the incidents here in Sweden, that radio mast was just the tip of an iceberg. Someone is sending Sweden a signal: “We can get you anytime, anywhere.” Mind you, I’m a Finn, so it’s not me that got over-anxious on my loyalties.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:20:34am

re: #509 Nyet

“Medal for Washington city”. Which is a reference to a patriotic song about war mentioning “medal for Budapest city”. So this is just another example of the instrumentalization of the Victory cult.

Thanks.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:21:24am

War with the US would be just like the war against the Nazi Germany, you see. /

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:22:22am

re: #512 Nyet

War with the US would be just like the war against the Nazi Germany, you see. /

Oh I thought that song was referring to what happened in ‘56.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:24:01am

re: #492 Anymouse

re: #487 Ming5000

Some people see “culture” as a zero-sum game. Immigrants moving into “the neighborhood” in numbers larger than, oh, say, 20 or so to some people means the newcomers will push aside the existing culture in place of the new one. The fear is even more acute of the newcomers dress differently, speak a different language or worship a different way.

In fact, what happens over the long haul is the “culture” slowly adapts to include both the old and the new. What white people call their culture now has been influenced by African-American, Hispanic and Asian cultures in so many subtle ways that the fearful white folk don’t even see it. We can take language, music and food as prime examples. The arrival of Arabs and Muslims from the Middle East has brought new influences that have not yet worked their way into the prevailing culture nationally, but they have in the nation’s urban areas. (Take Iron-Man/Tony Stark’s advice to his fellow Avengers about a great schwarma place as a small example.)

“White culture” is a myth perpetuated by idiots who think ethnic cultures exist as entirely separate, insulated bubbles.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:25:12am

re: #513 HappyWarrior

Oh I thought that song was referring to what happened in ‘56.

I said “war” and “Victory cult”.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:25:52am

re: #499 Nyet

Russian national-patriots’ wet dream.

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My Russian is close to non-existent, but I gather this is some sort of RPG?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:25:55am

re: #515 Nyet

I said “war” and “Victory cult”.

Yeah I had a brainfart there, my bad. Should haev known that was referring to WWII.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:26:39am

re: #507 HappyWarrior

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Video

This brings back memories of the 80s when a bunch of my coworkers actually believed the nonsense in the original Red Dawn movie. They were absolutely convinced that only President Pruneface stood in the way of Communists invading the US via Nicaragua. When I tried to explain to them that there sure is a lot of distance between Managua and Los Angeles, didn’t matter to them. I reminded them that they would probably have to fly over Mexican air space, they were convinced that Mexico was on the Sandinista side.

Bottom line—there was lots of stupid running loose in the 80s…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:28:17am

re: #514 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Some people see “culture” as a zero-sum game. Immigrants moving into “the neighborhood” in numbers larger than, oh, say, 20 or so to some people means the newcomers will push aside the existing culture in place of the new one. The fear is even more acute of the newcomers dress differently, speak a different language or worship a different way.

In fact, what happens over the long haul is the “culture” slowly adapts to include both the old and the new. What white people call their culture now has been influenced by African-American, Hispanic and Asian cultures in so many subtle ways that the fearful white folk don’t even see it. We can take language, music and food as prime examples. The arrival of Arabs and Muslims from the Middle East has brought new influences that have not yet worked their way into the prevailing culture nationally, but they have in the nation’s urban areas. (Take Iron-Man/Tony Stark’s advice to his fellow Avengers about a great schwarma place as a small example.)

“White culture” is a myth perpetuated by idiots who think ethnic cultures exist as entirely separate, insulated bubbles.

At first “white” culture was white Protestant culture but you’re right. So much of our culture has been shaped by other groups. Honestly, I love our cultural diversity. It’s one of our greatest strengths.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:29:25am

re: #518 Joe Bacon

This brings back memories of the 80s when a bunch of my coworkers actually believed the nonsense in the original Red Dawn movie. They were absolutely convinced that only President Pruneface stood in the way of Communists invading the US via Nicaragua. When I tried to explain to them that there sure is a lot of distance between Managua and Los Angeles, didn’t matter to them. I reminded them that they would probably have to fly over Mexican air space, they were convinced that Mexico was on the Sandinista side.

Bottom line—there was lots of stupid running loose in the 80s…

Now we have people saying ISIS is going to swarm over the southern border anytime now. Instead, all we got was James O’Keefe looking stupid in a dollar-store Osama costume.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:29:57am

re: #519 HappyWarrior

At first “white” culture was white Protestant culture but you’re right. So much of our culture has been shaped by other groups. Honestly, I love our cultural diversity. It’s one of our greatest strengths.

We have to protect our cultural heritage foods such as pizza, kebab, and a nice curry!

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:30:49am

re: #513 HappyWarrior

Enemies burnt down the hut where he was born,
And they killed his entire family.
Where now can the soldier go,
And who will carry his sorrow?

The soldier went off in a heavy despair
To the intersection of two roads,
And in a wide open field the soldier found
An overgrown mound in the grass.

The soldier stood and felt like a lump
Was stuck in his throat.
The soldier said: “Praskovia, meet
Your hero-husband.

Prepare a meal for the guest,
And cover a wide table in the hut.
He has come to you to celebrate
His day, his return.

No one answered the soldier,
And no one came to greet him.
Only a warm summer breeze
Rustled the grass at the grave.

The soldier sighed and fixed his belt
And opened his traveling bag,
He put a bottle of “bitters”
On the gray gravestone.

“Don’t judge me harshly, Praskovia,
For coming to you like this.
I wanted to drink to your health,
But I must drink to your death.

Friends and girlfriends will come again,
But we shall never be together again.”
And the soldier drank from the copper cup
A bitter mixture of wine and grief.

He drank, the soldier - the servant of the people -
And with pain in his heart he said:
“I spent four years coming to you,
And I won three medals!”

The soldier was overcome with emotion, and the tears flowed,
Tears of hope that never came true.
And on his chest the medal
From Budapest shone.

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:31:21am

re: #503 Joe Bacon

My condolences on the loss of your son. I am a parent, and I can’t imagine that, much less for the reason your son was lost (a war of choice rather than self-defence or defence of an ally). The closest I can imagine that is the loss of my father.

As for Susan Sarandon, she is a moonbat. In the event of a fascist victory, she has enough money to get away. She seems to be one of those people who think you need to destroy the village to save it. (Perhaps she would feel differently if she lived in Europe post WWII; instead she has the comfort of a lot of money.)

As for Roger Stone, he is very good at the rodent copulation game. (Seriously, who else has a tatoo of Richard Nixon on his back? That is creepy.) Fortunately, none of the supporters of Senator Sanders in my local area are thinking of splitting off to write in a vote for Dr. Jill Stein (the Green Party does not appear on the ballot here) or Senator Sanders himself. The whole county Democratic Party (all few dozen of us) are in for Mrs. Clinton now.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:32:35am

re: #518 Joe Bacon

This brings back memories of the 80s when a bunch of my coworkers actually believed the nonsense in the original Red Dawn movie. They were absolutely convinced that only President Pruneface stood in the way of Communists invading the US via Nicaragua. When I tried to explain to them that there sure is a lot of distance between Managua and Los Angeles, didn’t matter to them. I reminded them that they would probably have to fly over Mexican air space, they were convinced that Mexico was on the Sandinista side.

Bottom line—there was lots of stupid running loose in the 80s…

I was born in the late 80’s so no real memories. Once again, I’m sorry about your son. I can’t imagine the sorrow you and your family have been through on that. Honestly what drives me nuts regarding Latin America and Reagan is how Reagan’s administration had a big role in policy in places like El Salvador and then not surprisingly as a result, we get a ton of El Salvadorian immigrants, my SiL’s sister’s husband is from there and I’ve had man too many classmates to count who were either form there or had folks from there. Anyhow, these people support these crazy anti-communist poicies and then they act shocked that real people are impacted by our policy and have to come here for a better life. Honestly, I welcome the immigrants. Why should I be prejudiced to people who are trying to the same thing my forefathers did. I refuse to judge the older oens who have a difficult time with English and prefer their own language too because hell there were some of mine that never fully learned English, granted part of that was because we had more ethnic neighborhoods in those day and women didn’t get out in teh work place as much.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:32:57am

re: #516 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

My Russian is close to non-existent, but I gather this is some sort of RPG?

When I was really into chess, I subscribed to Russian magazines 64 and Шахматный бюллетень I had a rudimentary knowledge of Russian that I picked up just enough to read their analysis.

I got good at correspondence chess but now computers have taken the fun out of that. Anyone can buy Fritz and let their laptop play grandmaster level correspondence chess or they can now cheat with it when they play on the Net.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:33:14am

re: #523 Nyet

Enemies burnt down the hut where he was born,
And they killed his entire family.
Where now can the soldier go,
And who will carry his sorrow?

The soldier went off in a heavy despair
To the intersection of two roads,
And in a wide open field the soldier found
An overgrown mound in the grass.

The soldier stood and felt like a lump
Was stuck in his throat.
The soldier said: “Praskovia, meet
Your hero-husband.

Prepare a meal for the guest,
And cover a wide table in the hut.
He has come to you to celebrate
His day, his return.

No one answered the soldier,
And no one came to greet him.
Only a warm summer breeze
Rustled the grass at the grave.

The soldier sighed and fixed his belt
And opened his traveling bag,
He put a bottle of “bitters”
On the gray gravestone.

“Don’t judge me harshly, Praskovia,
For coming to you like this.
I wanted to drink to your health,
But I must drink to your death.

Friends and girlfriends will come again,
But we shall never be together again.”
And the soldier drank from the copper cup
A bitter mixture of wine and grief.

He drank, the soldier - the servant of the people -
And with pain in his heart he said:
“I spent four years coming to you,
And I won three medals!”

The soldier was overcome with emotion, and the tears flowed,
Tears of hope that never came true.
And on his chest the medal
From Budapest shone.

Thanks. Yeah definitely WWII.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:34:17am

re: #519 HappyWarrior

At first “white” culture was white Protestant culture but you’re right. So much of our culture has been shaped by other groups. Honestly, I love our cultural diversity. It’s one of our greatest strengths.

Well, except for Catholic Maryland, Quaker New Jersey, and various forms of Protestants everywhere else. The slaves in the South had a great influence on local white culture, even if the white people deny it now (and I don’t mean the economic and political institution of slavery).

The greatest influence on early colonial culture was British, but that so-called purity didn’t last long.

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:35:20am

re: #514 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Apparently that’s my problem. I just see people as people, and their cultural traits as interesting. I do not feel threatened by a Muslim or a Sikh or a Frenchman or LGBT marriage or whatnot. I find such difference interesting and don’t care about them affecting me as long as they don’t impose their views on me.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:36:57am

re: #530 Anymouse

Apparently that’s my problem. I just see people as people, and their cultural traits as interesting. I do not feel threatened by a Muslim or a Sikh or a Frenchman or LGBT marriage or whatnot. I find such difference interesting and don’t care about them affecting me as long as they don’t impose their views on me.

You and me, friend. I grew up near NYC, as did my parents. Diversity was normal.

532
HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:37:55am

re: #529 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Well, except for Catholic Maryland, Quaker New Jersey, and various forms of Protestants everywhere else. The slaves in the South had a great influence on local white culture, even if the white people deny it now (and I don’t mean the economic and political institution of slavery).

The greatest influence on early colonial culture was British, but that so-called purity didn’t last long.

Yeah very true about that. You mean Quaker Pennsylvania though. New Jersey had pockets of Quakers but PA was the colony founded by them. Know this since when I took a class on the revolution, I was the one who got New Jersey. But yeah you’re right, the slaves had a huge impact on Southern culture in several ways. As a nation founded by immigrants, our culture is constantly evolving. People who pine for the way things “used to be” are pining for a different point of our cultural evolution. My childhood’s collective culture was different from yours and both of ours different from our grandparents and this coming generation of children.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:40:24am

re: #530 Anymouse

Apparently that’s my problem. I just see people as people, and their cultural traits as interesting. I do not feel threatened by a Muslim or a Sikh or a Frenchman or LGBT marriage or whatnot. I find such difference interesting and don’t care about them affecting me as long as they don’t impose their views on me.

Same here. I live in a very mixed area of Los Angeles with Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus some Sikhs. 99% of them play by the rules and they came here for an opportunity for a better life. They gladly let me know what they think about Trump. Was nice to see that there are voter drives here where a significant number of them are naturalizing and then registering to vote.

Trump and the GOP are in for a nasty shock come November. Trump is doing to the GOP nationwide what Wilson did to the GOP here in California. The GOP is now just a rump party here in California…

534
HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:40:38am

I grew up in the DC suburbs so yeah diversity was something I benefited from. I also attended one of the most diverse universities in the US. It was not uncommon for me to have foreign born classmates. See, that’s why I get upset at the idealization of small town USA. I’m not saying that’s a bad place to grow up but the demography of small town USA does not resemble our country. In those small towns, you more or less have people whose families have been there for generations. I’ve noticed it a little more since I moved to a more rural part of Va and it makes my brother’s experiences in high school different from mine.

535
HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:43:53am

To be honest, when I think about Sarah Palin, I think about how intentionally divisive she is. She had probably never stepped foot in my state a day in her life before McCain tagged her as his running mate and she goes to these rural parts of Va and talks about how glad she is to be in the real Virginia. Places like Staunton and Roanoke are the real Virginia but so are places like Reston and Herndon. Places where people like me, a grandchild of people who came to this state for better work opportunities mingle with the grandchildren of people who have been in this area for some time, the children and in sometimes immigrants themselves, etc.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:44:05am

re: #532 HappyWarrior

Yeah very true about that. You mean Quaker Pennsylvania though. New Jersey had pockets of Quakers but PA was the colony founded by them. Know this since when I took a class on the revolution, I was the one who got New Jersey. But yeah you’re right, the slaves had a huge impact on Southern culture in several ways. As a nation founded by immigrants, our culture is constantly evolving. People who pine for the way things “used to be” are pining for a different point of our cultural evolution. My childhood’s collective culture was different from yours and both of ours different from our grandparents and this coming generation of children.

Sorry about that. Brain fart. But to be entirely accurate, West NJ was part of the Penn colony. It’s what we’d call southern NJ now.

The culture these people want only existed on the TV of the 1950s. Remember, that yokel with the “Make America White Again” billboard specifically mentioned Ozzie & Harriet and Leave It to Beaver as exemplars of “white America.” Those shows were fiction, and designed to appeal to the predominant buying demographic — middle class white people. But try explaining that to a white supremacist.

537
Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:44:19am

re: #531 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

You and me, friend. I grew up near NYC, as did my parents. Diversity was normal.

I grew up in segregated Maryland until I was seven, then not-very-diverse Central Michigan until I joined the Navy. (I did spend a year as an exchange student in 1976-77 in Brazil - financing that was an interesting problem for my mother, solved by winning the lottery).

The idea of “my culture is superior” just never took with me. I do understand the huge hurdles minorities, women, and immigrants have faced in the USA and why recognising those struggles are important for advancing compassion, even if I can never understand through personal experience those struggles myself.

I don’t get it. I am a middle-aged high school educated white straight male (the sort of person ofttimes viewed as most hidebound), but as far as I can ascertain I am pretty much open to anyone as long as they don’t try to impose some sort of restrictions on me. Perhaps I am defective?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:50:01am

re: #518 Joe Bacon

It is still running loose.

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539
Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:51:37am

huffingtonpost.com

Bill Maher describes Mr. Trump’s campaign as “America’s Inner Asshole” and the last dying gasp of the old America (with video).

540
HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:51:42am

re: #536 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Sorry about that. Brain fart. But to be entirely accurate, West NJ was part of the Penn colony. It’s what we’d call southern NJ now.

The culture these people want only existed on the TV of the 1950s. Remember, that yokel with the “Make America White Again” billboard specifically mentioned Ozzie & Harriet and Leave It to Beaver as exemplars of “white America.” Those shows were fiction, and designed to appeal to the predominant buying demographic — middle class white people. But try explaining that to a white supremacist.

Oh I know, I wasn’t trying to be a pedant there. Yeah that’s a great point about the 50’s. Hell I’ve even caught my own mom romanticizing that era and I have to remind her that while her family was enjoying that era, black people in the South had to live in fear for their lives if they angered Southern whites i.e. Emmett Till.

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jeffreyw  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:52:33am

Imgur
Good morning!

542
Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:52:37am

Thinking how to better illustrate what I wrote above. Well, maybe in these terms.

Imagine a magazine that would churn out an article after an article about how the MSM demonize Trump and Palin, about how they mix their opinions of said individuals with facts, about how Trump’s and Palin’s opponents don’t smell like roses either and Dems are not that different from Rs, about how Trump and Palin should not be snubbed and how the liberal America should not push its values on the conservative states, and that what these states do is just a reaction to the meddling.

Would there be any doubt about the magazine’s political orientation?

543
wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:53:28am

re: #537 Anymouse

I grew up in segregated Maryland until I was seven, then not-very-diverse Central Michigan until I joined the Navy. (I did spend a year as an exchange student in 1976-77 in Brazil - financing that was an interesting problem for my mother, solved by winning the lottery).

The idea of “my culture is superior” just never took with me. I do understand the huge hurdles minorities, women, and immigrants have faced in the USA and why recognising those struggles are important for advancing compassion, even if I can never understand through personal experience those struggles myself.

I don’t get it. I am a middle-aged high school educated white straight male (the sort of person ofttimes viewed as most hidebound), but as far as I can ascertain I am pretty much open to anyone as long as they don’t try to impose some sort of restrictions on me. Perhaps I am defective?

My brother-in-law could be mistaken as a stereotypical southern redneck. Didn’t go to college, blue collar worker, smoked weed and drank a little, hunter, gun owner. During the 1980s, some of their neighbors in Louisville were Bosnian, and being a great believer in southern hospitality and barbecue, he invited them over for dinner. Well, pork was right out, but they loved his chicken and my sister-in-law’s cooking, and the in-laws liked their kickass Bosnian coffee and cooking, too. They became best friends.

Fear of the unknown is the greatest problem we face. Getting people to relate as fellow human beings is the cure.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:53:52am

re: #542 Nyet

Thinking how to better illustrate what I wrote above. Well, maybe in these terms.

Imagine a magazine that would churn out an article after an article about how the MSM demonize Trump and Palin, about how they mix their opinions of said individuals with facts, about how Trump’s and Palin’s opponents don’t smell like roses either and Dems are not that different from Rs, about how Trump and Palin should not be snubbed and how the liberal America should not push their values on the conservative states, and that what thesevstates do is just a reaction to the meddling.

Would there be any doubt about the magazine’s political orientation?

What you describe is something that I’d expect to see in NRO. As you already know though, I share your feelings about the Nation and Putin too.

545
Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:54:00am

re: #539 Anymouse

That sounds like a problem for a proctologist.

France, get over here and help us with that! :P

546
HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:57:54am

re: #543 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

My brother-in-law could be mistaken as a stereotypical southern redneck. Didn’t go to college, blue collar worker, smoked weed and drank a little, hunter, gun owner. During the 1980s, some of their neighbors in Louisville were Bosnian, and being a great believer in southern hospitality and barbecue, he invited them over for dinner. Well, pork was right out, but they loved his chicken and my sister-in-law’s cooking, and the in-laws liked their kickass Bosnian coffee and cooking, too. They became best friends.

Fear of the unknown is the greatest problem we face. Getting people to relate as fellow human beings is the cure.

The Bosnians have an interesting take on the burger. I tried it not long ago. Food can be a great way for intercultural dialogue. I didn’t just use the Friends of Hummus as a clever pun ya know.

547
Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:03:13am

Well, I am really out of here now. (The first was just a test of the emergency Anymouse Egress System.) I am about to fall over (my cat nearly knocked me off my chair I am so sleepy). G’night, eh, even if it is 8 AM here.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:04:18am

re: #546 HappyWarrior

The Bosnians have an interesting take on the burger. I tried it not long ago. Food can be a great way for intercultural dialogue. I didn’t just use the Friends of Hummus as a clever pun ya know.

Everybody likes food.

549
Teukka  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:05:20am

re: #548 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Everybody likes food.

Also, the hybrids… Imagine mix of indian cuisine and Swedish husmanskost? :P

550
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:07:52am

OFFS! Betteridge’s Law strikes again:

Should Hillary Clinton pick Bernie Sanders as her running mate?

551
Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:08:29am

re: #549 Teukka

BTW… tell us about surströmming :P

552
wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:11:05am

re: #549 Teukka

Also, the hybrids… Imagine mix of indian cuisine and Swedish husmanskost? :P

Curried gravlox

553
Teukka  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:11:16am

re: #551 Nyet

BTW… tell us about surströmming :P

It’s what us finns and swedes will will airdrop on Russian troops if they ever get the very foolish idea to invade… semi-///

554
HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:11:56am

re: #550 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

OFFS! Betteridge’s Law strikes again:

Should Hillary Clinton pick Bernie Sanders as her running mate?

He hasn’t even endorsed her yet. Why should she give him anything like that?

555
Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:12:23am

re: #553 Teukka

Do you like it?

556
wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:13:17am

re: #554 HappyWarrior

He hasn’t even endorsed her yet. Why should she give him anything like that?

I doubt HRC plans to offer Sanders anything in her administration. He’s been a complete dick for months now.

557
HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:14:15am

re: #556 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I doubt HRC plans to offer Sanders anything in her administration. He’s been a complete dick for months now.

I don’t blame her at all.

558
wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:15:08am

re: #557 HappyWarrior

I don’t blame her at all.

Nor I.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:17:16am

re: #549 Teukka

Also, the hybrids… Imagine mix of indian cuisine and Swedish husmanskost? :P

There used to be a nice Greek/Chinese place on Crown Hill in Seattle. Well, it might still be there—haven’t been by in years.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:18:20am

re: #559 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

There used to be a nice Greek/Chinese place on Crown Hill in Seattle. Well, it might still be there—haven’t been by in years.

General Tso’s Gyro

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Dr. Matt  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:19:30am
562
Teukka  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:22:13am

re: #555 Nyet

Do you like it?

Not really. Altho my olfactory system is damaged, one smell goes straight thru, and that’s fermented herring. On a more serious note tho, Russia won’t be subjected to biological (or is it culinary) warfare by means of surströmming. It would be such a waste of food.

It will however in Finland face an enemy which is trained to protect civilians first, document war crimes second, hold the border third and geared at achieving the same kill ratio against any enemy as it did during the continuation war.
And from what little I know about Sweden’s defenses, two of the above four apply, which is why it’s such a bright idea (NOT) to sabotage swedish civil defense infrastructure.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:23:03am

re: #561 Dr. Matt

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China is also rather pleased with the outcome.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:23:55am

Teuk, what’s Finnish food like? Can’t say I’ve ever seen a Finnish restaurant in my travels before. I always like trying unique foods. It’s part of the fun IMO.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:25:11am

I actually like to do non-traditoinal toppings for my pierogis sometimes. Sometimes I have salsa, sometimes hummus, and other things. One of my cousins really loves kale pierogis which her mother thinks is nuts.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:26:16am

The more I read about Breexit, the more it really looks like the Brits fucked themselves over big time.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:27:25am

Swedes are Satanists.

Exhibit A: surströmming.

Exhibit B: He is - Live at the Grammis Awards 2016

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:27:36am

re: #564 HappyWarrior

Teuk, what’s Finnish food like? Can’t say I’ve ever seen a Finnish restaurant in my travels before. I always like trying unique foods. It’s part of the fun IMO.

In many ways like Swedish, very rustique and basic foods using locally available stuff. Also, many of us (‘cept the nationalists) are not afraid of trying new foreign stuff and grow a liking to it, or experiment with bastardized hybrid cuisine (there is a reason why pizzerias and kebab stands are common around here).
Like, I’m a Finn, but I’m fond of Russian cuisine. If you haven’t, try it, you won’t be disappointed.

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:28:31am

re: #567 Nyet

Swedes are Satanists.

Exhibit A: surströmming.

Exhibit B: [Embedded content]

You’re getting that wrong. Uncle Lou is under the command of us Finns and Swedes… *muhahahahaha* ;-)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:30:01am

re: #568 Teukka

In many ways like Swedish, very rustique and basic foods using locally available stuff. Also, many of us (‘cept the nationalists) are not afraid of trying new foreign stuff and grow a liking to it, or experiment with bastardized hybrid cuisine (there is a reason why pizzerias and kebab stands are common around here).
Like, I’m a Finn, but I’m fond of Russian cuisine. If you haven’t, try it, you won’t be disappointed.

Got it, thanks. What’s interesting about American food is how we’ve taken many foreign foods and sort of made them our own. Pizza, hot dogs, tacos, etc. I do like hybrids too. In fact, I had breakfast burritos for breakfast today.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:30:26am

Here’s what the Global Times, the mouthpiece of the CCP, said about Brexit.

The vote to leave the European Union meant Britons were “showing a losing mindset” and becoming “citizens of a nation that prefers to shut itself from the outside world”, Chinese state media said on Saturday.

Global Times, the Communist party’s mouthpiece, said in an editorial: “The world’s centre used to lie on the two sides of the Atlantic. Now the focus has shifted to the Pacific.”

“For the Chinese people, who are at a critical time to learn about globalisation and democracy, they will continue to watch the consequence of Britain’s embracing of a ‘democratic’ referendum,” said the newspaper, a tabloid published by People’s Daily.

theguardian.com

Note the dig at a democratic referendum. The Party loves to point out the failings of democracies, since they hardly allow anyone in China a chance to try it out.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:35:38am

re: #570 HappyWarrior

Got it, thanks. What’s interesting about American food is how we’ve taken many foreign foods and sort of made them our own. Pizza, hot dogs, tacos, etc. I do like hybrids too. In fact, I had breakfast burritos for breakfast today.

Living as I do in California, I could make a good argument that tacos are actually American food, whereas apple pie and hot dogs are foreign. Corn, beans, chiles, tomatoes - all New World foods.

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lawhawk  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:36:23am

We here in NYC metro aren’t that far removed from segregated communities either. Red lining, restrictive covenants, and discriminatory housing? All recent history.

You’ve got Trump and his discriminatory housing practices.

Towns like Levittown didn’t allow minorities to buy into the communities for decades.
Even my town and neighboring towns had restrictions and made it extremely difficult for Jews to move in, to say nothing of African Americans or other minorities.

Racism and bigotry aren’t new - but that the entire GOP platform now advocates xenophobia/bigotry and their presumptive nominee is an active bigot? Yeah, this is the state of the party.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:37:34am

re: #572 Blind Frog Belly White

Living as I do in California, I could make a good argument that tacos are actually American food, whereas apple pie and hot dogs are foreign. Corn, beans, chiles, tomatoes - all New World foods.

Good points. We definitely do Americanize foreign food in any case. I remember eating Chinese food at a family of a coworker of my dad’s once and it was totally different than at the restaurants. No jelly fish on the menu at your local takeout restaurant, that’s for sure.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:38:32am

re: #573 lawhawk

We here in NYC metro aren’t that far removed from segregated communities either. Red lining, restrictive covenants, and discriminatory housing? All recent history.

You’ve got Trump and his discriminatory housing practices.

Towns like Levittown didn’t allow minorities to buy into the communities for decades.
Even my town and neighboring towns had restrictions and made it extremely difficult for Jews to move in, to say nothing of African Americans or other minorities.

Racism and bigotry aren’t new - but that the entire GOP platform now advocates xenophobia/bigotry and their presumptive nominee is an active bigot? Yeah, this is the state of the party.

The GOP is the rich white male Christian party. It’s just being a lot more blatant about it.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:38:40am

I don’t see a 50%+1 referendum leading to large-scale permanent changes as an expression of democracy. I think requiring a supermajority in such cases is *more* democratic.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:39:51am

re: #576 Nyet

I don’t see a 50%+1 referendum leading to large-scale permanent changes as an expression of democracy. I think requiring a supermajority in such cases is *more* democratic.

The referendum was a colossally stupid idea.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:41:25am

One thing I’ve noticed since my friend turned into a conservative meme post a thon is that conservatives seem to think we liberals want them to be guilty about the past. To me, it really isn’t that. I know you nor your parents or even grandparents owned slaves but the point is that the side-effects of slavery did and arguably still do exist well in to our lifetimes. As LH brought up, things like segregated neighborhoods aren’t that distant memories. So, yeah you didn’t own slaves and maybe even none of your ancestors did but that’s really not the point. The point is for years because of slavery we had a system that treated black people like second class citizens and many whites benefited from such a system.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:42:01am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:42:44am

re: #579 Dr. Matt

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There goes Bernie’s big argument with the SDs if he had one at all.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:42:47am

After all, democracy is not majority rule aka ochlocracy.
It’s majority rule, minority rights. There is always balance between the two. And with large-scale permanent changes this balance is better served by requiring a supermajority.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:44:23am

re: #576 Nyet

I don’t see a 50%+1 referendum leading to large-scale permanent changes as an expression of democracy. I think requiring a supermajority in such cases is *more* democratic.

Should have been at least 60%+1. Allowing the referendum at all was blockheaded, but making it simple majority was arrogant and stupid.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:44:44am

re: #574 HappyWarrior

Good points. We definitely do Americanize foreign food in any case. I remember eating Chinese food at a family of a coworker of my dad’s once and it was totally different than at the restaurants. No jelly fish on the menu at your local takeout restaurant, that’s for sure.

Around here you definitely find “Chinese for Chinese” restaurants. Often there’s the regular menu and the Chinese menu. Years ago we went to our favorite Chinese place with a Japanese friend, and the gave her a completely different, handwritten menu in Chinese. She couldn’t read it, but it confirmed what I’d long suspected.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:45:29am

re: #584 Blind Frog Belly White

Around here you definitely find “Chinese for Chinese” restaurants. Often there’s the regular menu and the Chinese menu. Years ago we went to our favorite Chinese place with a Japanese friend, and the gave her a completely different, handwritten menu in Chinese. She couldn’t read it, but it confirmed what I’d long suspected.

Never noticed that at our places.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:45:39am

re: #574 HappyWarrior

Good points. We definitely do Americanize foreign food in any case. I remember eating Chinese food at a family of a coworker of my dad’s once and it was totally different than at the restaurants. No jelly fish on the menu at your local takeout restaurant, that’s for sure.

All the Chinese restaurants I used to go to, on the Happy Family the menu would always say: “Sea cucumber optional, please specify.” For the record, I always specified against.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:46:55am

re: #584 Blind Frog Belly White

Around here you definitely find “Chinese for Chinese” restaurants. Often there’s the regular menu and the Chinese menu. Years ago we went to our favorite Chinese place with a Japanese friend, and the gave her a completely different, handwritten menu in Chinese. She couldn’t read it, but it confirmed what I’d long suspected.

I’m going to try asking for a Chinese menu the next time I visit a Chinese restaurant in the States, to see what happens. I can’t read it all, but I bet the server could help me.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:47:09am

re: #577 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The referendum was a colossally stupid idea.

Living in California, I’m not a big fan of referenda. You elect a legislature to do that shit for you. And they have time to actually weigh issues, not vote on impulse based on who has the catchiest commercial.

This particular referendum, yeah. Totally an ‘Own Goal’ on Cameron’s part.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:48:31am

re: #584 Blind Frog Belly White

Around here you definitely find “Chinese for Chinese” restaurants. Often there’s the regular menu and the Chinese menu. Years ago we went to our favorite Chinese place with a Japanese friend, and the gave her a completely different, handwritten menu in Chinese. She couldn’t read it, but it confirmed what I’d long suspected.

My Chinese language teacher in grad school took us to her favorite restaurant (the one without jello salad at the buffet) and ordered what she wanted from the Chinese menu. Some places definitely and wisely cater to different tastes.

Most Japanese restaurants in the states are actually run by Chinese or Koreans so the taste is usually somewhat different than what you’d find in Japan.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:50:07am

re: #587 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’m going to try asking for a Chinese menu the next time I visit a Chinese restaurant in the States, to see what happens. I can’t read it all, but I bet the server could help me.

Or look for a place with menu strips on the wall. That place with the separate menu also had pieces of paper with Chinese writing on them and a price at the bottom hanging all around the walls.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:50:14am

re: #583 Barefoot Grin

Should have been at least 60%+1. Allowing the referendum at all was blockheaded, but making it simple majority was arrogant and stupid.

And even if—yeah, I know it’s a million-to-one against—that petition got a new referendum scheduled, would the EU let them take it back? I’ll bet at a minimum, they’d have to adopt the Euro, and that ain’t happening.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:52:20am

re: #591 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And even if—yeah, I know it’s a million-to-one against—that petition got a new referendum scheduled, would the EU let them take it back? I’ll bet at a minimum, they’d have to adopt the Euro, and that ain’t happening.

That brings me to another thing that kind of amused me when I saw claims that the EU was destroying their sovereignty. Britain had probably the loosest EU status of any EU country. I think there were other things other than the currency too. Trying to remember. Honestly, when I was in the UK, I wasn’t doing anything touristy so I didn’t really take things into account.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:52:51am

1.5 million Brits want a do-over.
bbc.com

Parliament will debate the petition for second referendum, but it’s hard to say what if anything will come of it. The first referendum was not legally binding, and the second wouldn’t be either.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:53:30am

Cameron is a cowardly piece of shit who resigned to avoid taking responsibility.
Since he’s already disgraced, he should have implemented a second referendum, thus “going back” on his word (which is ok, he’s disgraced anyway).
Boris Johnson is surely not going to do it.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:54:34am

re: #591 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And even if—yeah, I know it’s a million-to-one against—that petition got a new referendum scheduled, would the EU let them take it back? I’ll bet at a minimum, they’d have to adopt the Euro, and that ain’t happening.

The referendum is not legally binding by itself, so what does EU care?

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:55:12am

re: #595 Nyet

The referendum is not legally binding by itself, so what does EU care?

It’s a big opinion poll.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:56:39am

re: #593 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

1.5 million Brits want a do-over.
bbc.com

Parliament will debate the petition for second referendum, but it’s hard to say what if anything will come of it. The first referendum was not legally binding, and the second wouldn’t be either.

It’s vice versa: if the second is not, so is the first.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:56:40am

re: #595 Nyet

The referendum is not legally binding by itself, so what does EU care?

The EU probably assumes Parliament will abide by the referendum, despite all indications that leaving the EU would be a grave error. MPs, like Congresscritters, want to be re-elected.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:56:58am

Anyone with more knowledge of London explain to me how someone like Johnson got elected mayor there in the first place? I don’t see how a Euroskeptic and anti-immigrant person could get elected mayor of such a large and diverse city.

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darthstar  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:57:03am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:57:53am

Do-over: More than 1 million signatures collected in UK calling for a re-vote on leaving EU

And here’s my suggestion from yesterday:

A similar petition calling on London mayor Sadiq Khan to declare the capital independent from the U.K. and remain a member of the EU has gained more than 120,000 signatures.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:59:48am

re: #601 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Do-over: More than 1 million signatures collected in UK calling for a re-vote on leaving EU

And here’s my suggestion from yesterday:

It will make as much progress as NYC becoming the 51st state back when.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:00:20am

re: #598 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The EU probably assumes Parliament will abide by the referendum, despite all indications that leaving the EU would be a grave error. MPs, like Congresscritters, want to be re-elected.

It doesn’t matter what EU thinks, it cannot “let” or not “let” UK take anything back. So far there has been an opinion poll and the UK is still in the EU.

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calochortus  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:04:50am

re: #586 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

All the Chinese restaurants I used to go to, on the Happy Family the menu would always say: “Sea cucumber optional, please specify.” For the record, I always specified against.

I had sea cucumber once. The rubbery texture was enough to put me off it. I’m a picky eater, but I’m very willing to try new stuff ( except surströmming)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:05:06am

re: #578 HappyWarrior

One thing I’ve noticed since my friend turned into a conservative meme post a thon is that conservatives seem to think we liberals want them to be guilty about the past. To me, it really isn’t that. I know you nor your parents or even grandparents owned slaves but the point is that the side-effects of slavery did and arguably still do exist well in to our lifetimes. As LH brought up, things like segregated neighborhoods aren’t that distant memories. So, yeah you didn’t own slaves and maybe even none of your ancestors did but that’s really not the point. The point is for years because of slavery we had a system that treated black people like second class citizens and many whites benefited from such a system.

Acknowledging that the past history of segregation and discrimination has present day effects would contradict their need to be self-made. And often Conservatives seem unwilling or unable to comprehend complexity. That’s why the most useful analogy is that White Privilege is like playing the game of Life on ‘Easy’. Anyone who’s played videogames will understand that!

Mind you, many will STILL cling to the belief that THEY are the biggest victims. I have repeatedly pointed to the University of Chicago study showing fictitious resumes with ‘black-associated’ names got 1/2 the callback rate of identical resumes with ‘white associated’ names in responding to job ads. Some folks get it, even admitting they get an emotional reaction to the name on a resume based on their own prejudices.

But you’ll also get the “Chicago, huh? Bet they knew what result they wanted before they started!” Or “You’re saying all those hiring managers are racists!” No subtlety. No ability to admit that they system is full of unintentional racism, that it might be harder for a black person to get a job than a white person with the same qualifications.

“Self made” is a HUGE thing for a lot of them. I was discussing this with one, pointing out he’d worked hard and earned his place, but also that he’d been fortunate. He was OUTRAGED!

Then he allowed as how his parents paid for his college, and helped him with Law School.

Asking them to acknowledge the cumulative effect of history? Yeah, good luck with that.

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darthstar  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:05:35am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:07:06am

re: #594 Nyet

Cameron is a cowardly piece of shit who resigned to avoid taking responsibility.
Since he’s already disgraced, he should have implemented a second referendum, thus “going back” on his word (which is ok, he’s disgraced anyway).
Boris Johnson is surely not going to do it.

I’m not sure I’d agree with THAT. He’s in a parliamentary system where one may seek a vote of confidence. If this wasn’t a vote of NO confidence, I don’t know what is!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:07:41am

re: #605 Blind Frog Belly White

Acknowledging that the past history of segregation and discrimination has present day effects would contradict their need to be self-made. And often Conservatives seem unwilling or unable to comprehend complexity. That’s why the most useful analogy is that White Privilege is like playing the game of Life on ‘Easy’. Anyone who’s played videogames will understand that!

Mind you, many will STILL cling to the belief that THEY are the biggest victims. I have repeatedly pointed to the University of Chicago study showing fictitious resumes with ‘black-associated’ names got 1/2 the callback rate of identical resumes with ‘white associated’ names in responding to job ads. Some folks get it, even admitting they get an emotional reaction to the name on a resume based on their own prejudices.

But you’ll also get the “Chicago, huh? Bet they knew what result they wanted before they started!” Or “You’re saying all those hiring managers are racists!” No subtlety. No ability to admit that they system is full of unintentional racism, that it might be harder for a black person to get a job than a white person with the same qualifications.

“Self made” is a HUGE thing for a lot of them. I was discussing this with one, pointing out he’d worked hard and earned his place, but also that he’d been fortunate. He was OUTRAGED!

Then he allowed as how his parents paid for his college, and helped him with Law School.

Asking them to acknowledge the cumulative effect of history? Yeah, good luck with that.

Yeah I’ve given up any hope of possibly hoping to engage this guy. He’s my best friend but he’s bought a lot of wingnut bs hook line and sinker. Great observations though, it fits mine as well.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:07:54am

re: #603 Nyet

It doesn’t matter what EU thinks, it cannot “let” or not “let” UK take anything back. So far there has been an opinion poll and the UK is still in the EU.

Yeah, well Cameron left the new government with a pile of shit to clean up once he’s out of 10 Downing. Sure, the referendum was a big opinion poll, but UKIP and Farage now have leverage to get things to go their way, despite some Leave voters now having second thoughts. David “Jon Snow” Cameron played right into their hands, but there’s no Sansa around to bring in reinforcements to save the day.

The EU is going to take advantage of the vote to either boot the UK out, or squeeze concessions from it if Parliament wants to stay in somehow. Either way, it’s a total cock up.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:08:56am

re: #604 calochortus

I had sea cucumber once. The rubbery texture was enough to put me off it. I’m a picky eater, but I’m very willing to try new stuff ( except surströmming)

You know speaking of foreign foods, I’ve liked Ethiopian food when I’ve had it but the sponge bread just didn’t do it for me.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:10:07am

re: #604 calochortus

I had sea cucumber once. The rubbery texture was enough to put me off it. I’m a picky eater, but I’m very willing to try new stuff ( except surströmming)

I always just thought about what eating a starfish would be like, and that was enough to dissuade me.

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Snarknado!  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:10:08am

re: #300 Anymouse

Wonkette goes off on the University of California at Irvine for effectively banning the College Republicans, for inviting Milo Yiannopolis as a speaker for an event.

wonkette.com

The reason was allegedly the College Republicans did not provide proof of insurance for security guards hired for the event, which would only be a minor technical violation of rules for clubs and easily resolved.

Instead, the College Republicans were banned from using the college service for booking speakers.

They note there is plenty of whining on the right about Free Speech when people protest or object to what they say, but this is an actual denial of free speech, and they don’t approve of it any more than if it were a left-leaning group.

They say they would not be surprised if the College Republicans cannot resolve this, that they would seek the services of the ACLU; while Wonkette does not support Mr. Yiannopolis, they absolutely support the right of the College Republicans to invite him to speak just as any other college group.

wonkette.com

I can’t find anything much about this except on RWNJ sites, but they were suspended, not banned, and their failure to get proof of insurance was not a first offense.

(And I found one site— and lost it — that says the suspension has already been “suspended.”)

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:10:54am

re: #300 Anymouse

Wonkette goes off on the University of California at Irvine for effectively banning the College Republicans, for inviting Milo Yiannopolis as a speaker for an event.

wonkette.com

The reason was allegedly the College Republicans did not provide proof of insurance for security guards hired for the event, which would only be a minor technical violation of rules for clubs and easily resolved.

Instead, the College Republicans were banned from using the college service for booking speakers.

They note there is plenty of whining on the right about Free Speech when people protest or object to what they say, but this is an actual denial of free speech, and they don’t approve of it any more than if it were a left-leaning group.

They say they would not be surprised if the College Republicans cannot resolve this, that they would seek the services of the ACLU; while Wonkette does not support Mr. Yiannopolis, they absolutely support the right of the College Republicans to invite him to speak just as any other college group.

wonkette.com

Wonkette earns +5 for espousing decent principals and then actually living up to them in a case where doing so is bound to get them yelled at.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:11:53am

I’ve learned on social media that there are a lot of people out there who made it with no help from anyone at all and only made it to where they are on their own. My snark aside, I really think things like financial aid, well ot do parents, student loans, etc are ignored. I agree with what’s being said about how to acknowledge that racism does exist is to invalidate their entire worldview. The funny thing though is they’re hung up on wanting to argue that the two parties are the same as what they were in 1866 but I think that to be completely honesty is their way of denying the very real racism that their party and ideology has today.

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calochortus  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:12:23am

re: #610 HappyWarrior

You know speaking of foreign foods, I’ve liked Ethiopian food when I’ve had it but the sponge bread just didn’t do it for me.

You mean the injera? Made with teff flour? I like it, but it is a very different flavor in a bread.
Mr. C. is gluten intolerant, so we have all the flours in the world here and somewhat surprisingly teff goes amazingly well with chocolate. However, if you don’t like teff it would probably just contaminate the chocolate from your point of view.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:12:34am

re: #610 HappyWarrior

You know speaking of foreign foods, I’ve liked Ethiopian food when I’ve had it but the sponge bread just didn’t do it for me.

Injeera is made with teff and a sourdough starter. Really different taste from wheat breads.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:12:57am

re: #612 Snarknado!

I can’t find anything much about this except on RWNJ sites, but they were suspended, not banned, and their failure to get proof of insurance was not a first offense.

(And I found one site— and lost it — that says the suspension has already been “suspended.”)

Rules are censorship! FRIST AMMENDMENT!!11!! FREEZE PEACH!!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:13:25am

They have the right to invite Milo just as others have teh right to show up and call Milo a fascist. Free speech works both ways too bad Mlo and many others don’t get that.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:14:19am

re: #615 calochortus

You mean the injera? Made with teff flour? I like it, but it is a very different flavor in a bread.
Mr. C. is gluten intolerant, so we have all the flours in the world here and somewhat surprisingly teff goes amazingly well with chocolate. However, if you don’t like teff it would probably just contaminate the chocolate from your point of view.

Yeah I don’t hate it but it’s far from my favorite bread and honestly they give you too much of it and it fills me up way too much.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:16:36am

We had plenty of campus preachers on our campus calling us hellbound and you know what, that was that guy’s right but it was also our right to yell back that he’s a bigoted motherfucker. I really don’t want to Milo made out to be sympathetic. He does have the right to speak his mind in a public forum but people who think he’s scum have that right too.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:16:45am

re: #605 Blind Frog Belly White

The University of Chicago also employed Milton Friedman and was noted for being one of the few universities that actually dealt severely with 1960’s student radicals who broke the university’s code of conduct. It is in no way a creature of the Chicago Machine.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:18:25am

re: #621 Dark_Falcon

The University of Chicago also employed Milton Friedman and was noted for being one of the few universities that actually dealt severely with 1960’s student radicals who broke the university’s code of conduct. It is in no way a creature of the Chicago Machine.

They had the DNC and the Grant Park Riots right down the street: they really wanted to keep a tight lid on things.

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calochortus  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:19:28am

re: #619 HappyWarrior

Yeah I don’t hate it but it’s far from my favorite bread and honestly they give you too much of it and it fills me up way too much.

A matter of personal taste. Which is fine.
Sadly, we rarely eat out any more since Mr. C. realized his decades of digestive issues were due to gluten-once you go off the gluten you get even more sensitive to it and it’s just a nuisance to be sure there’s no wheat, barley, rye, soy sauce, etc. in what you’re being served-especially at an ethnic place.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:19:53am

re: #621 Dark_Falcon

The University of Chicago also employed Milton Friedman and was noted for being one of the few universities that actually dealt severely with 1960’s student radicals who broke the university’s code of conduct. It is in no way a creature of the Chicago Machine.

I suspect he knows that but he also knows that just saying Chicago makes some individuals think left wing. Remember, it’s always the go to whenever Obama talks about crime I don’t see what happened in the 60’s though is relevant to what he’s saying about job applicants there with more “black-sounding names” getting less call back than white ones though.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:21:05am

re: #623 calochortus

A matter of personal taste. Which is fine.
Sadly, we rarely eat out any more since Mr. C. realized his decades of digestive issues were due to gluten-once you go off the gluten you get even more sensitive to it and it’s just a nuisance to be sure there’s no wheat, barley, rye, soy sauce, etc. in what you’re being served-especially at an ethnic place.

Yeah, nothing against anyone who likes it. I’m usually pretty advenerous but it just didn’t do it for me. I really like the breads from India. Had a lot of good naans when I had my birthday dinner at an Indian place few years back.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:21:21am

I’m out for the night, people. Play nice while I’m having my nightly nap.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:23:17am

re: #621 Dark_Falcon

The University of Chicago also employed Milton Friedman and was noted for being one of the few universities that actually dealt severely with 1960’s student radicals who broke the university’s code of conduct. It is in no way a creature of the Chicago Machine.

It was an excuse. “Chicago” to most wingnuts seems to be the Mecca Of All That Is Bad. Any discussion of even universal background checks for firearms purchases inevitably leads to the totally bullshit claim that Chicago is the murder capital of America despite strict gun control.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:24:47am

Honestly, I’m sorry but I just have to crackle a little when I hear complaints about liberals censoring conservatives on campuses. When there are universities like Liberty which I realize is a private institution that actually ban things like College Democrats and Gay-Straight Alliances (I mean I personally don’t get why any Democrat or supporter of LGBT people would want to attend such a place but whatever) and when my own university’s economics department actually had an assignment asking people to answer a question “Why is the Obama stimulus bad?”, not why or why not mind you but why was it bad. And of course the Kochs give a lot of money to our econ department so that tells you something. I’m not going to say that liberals have never censored conesrvative belief but I think conservatives ignore that they’ve done it to liberals too in academic settings.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:25:55am

re: #627 Blind Frog Belly White

It was an excuse. “Chicago” to most wingnuts seems to be the Mecca Of All That Is Bad. Any discussion of even universal background checks for firearms purchases inevitably leads to the totally bullshit claim that Chicago is the murder capital of America despite strict gun control.

It’s a diverse city full of people with many cultural backgrounds so it makes sense that they hate it. Harder for them to openly hate on New York since it used to be Rudy’s city and the whole 9/11 thing.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:26:09am

re: #624 HappyWarrior

I suspect he knows that but he also knows that just saying Chicago makes some individuals think left wing. Remember, it’s always the go to whenever Obama talks about crime I don’t see what happened in the 60’s though is relevant to what he’s saying about job applicants there with more “black-sounding names” getting less call back than white ones though.

The line “Chicago, huh? Bet they knew what result they wanted before they started!” relies on the idea that the study in question was designed so that the results would be acceptable to the city’s political establishment. I wanted to give folks here a post they could use to kill that bullshit argument stone-dead.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:27:09am

re: #630 Dark_Falcon

The line “Chicago, huh? Bet they knew what result they wanted before they started!” relies on the idea that the study in question was designed so that the results would be acceptable to the city’s political establishment. I wanted to give folks here a post they could use to kill that bullshit argument stone-dead.

Oh gotcha.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:29:57am

re: #624 HappyWarrior

I suspect he knows that but he also knows that just saying Chicago makes some individuals think left wing. Remember, it’s always the go to whenever Obama talks about crime I don’t see what happened in the 60’s though is relevant to what he’s saying about job applicants there with more “black-sounding names” getting less call back than white ones though.

As an aside, the way the study determined ‘black associated’ and ‘white associated’ names was pretty cool. They took the birth certificates from Massachusetts from 20 years before the study, separated them by race, then just put together a list of the names on each. They then determined which names were more exclusive to which list.

The study itself is a clever way to tease out racism built into the system, because it completely removes the variable of an actual applicant. And that, of course, is why wingnuts have to discredit it - it demonstrates the existence of white privilege that can’t be refuted by saying it’s the black people themselves just THINKING they’re being discriminated against.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:34:44am

re: #632 Blind Frog Belly White

As an aside, the way the study determined ‘black associated’ and ‘white associated’ names was pretty cool. They took the birth certificates from Massachusetts from 20 years before the study, separated them by race, then just put together a list of the names on each. They then determined which names were more exclusive to which list.

The study itself is a clever way to tease out racism built into the system, because it completely removes the variable of an actual applicant. And that, of course, is why wingnuts have to discredit it - it demonstrates the existence of white privilege that can’t be refuted by saying it’s the black people themselves just THINKING they’re being discriminated against.

It does sound interesting. I’ll have to read up on it. I think so many think racism or prejudice has to be KKK or Nazi like to be prejudice. As we said last night, many on the right are wise enough to know that groups like the Nazis/KKK are bad and wrong but I don’t think they see what it is. I mean, I’m sorry but when you liken Democrats to the KKK because the Democrats were a party of white slave-owners 150+ years ago and then you bash them for embracing multiculturalism and diversity today, you’ve got your head up your ass. And here’s another side rant but political correctness. That’s the favorite thing that people love to bitch about today but you know even in what they call the “good old days”, there was a lot more censorship than there is now. That after all is why Carlin called them the seven words you can’t say on television.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:34:57am

re: #630 Dark_Falcon

The line “Chicago, huh? Bet they knew what result they wanted before they started!” relies on the idea that the study in question was designed so that the results would be acceptable to the city’s political establishment. I wanted to give folks here a post they could use to kill that bullshit argument stone-dead.

You’re giving them far too much credit for thought. It’s much simpler. Anything that comes out of academia in any area that generally votes Democratic is automatically discredited, so ‘Chicago’ is basically a code word.

Mind you, the idiot who said this doesn’t believe anything coming out of academia if it doesn’t align with his “common sense”, which is what he calls his set of beliefs. These are not subject to objective verification, of course. They’re just TRUE!!!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:39:15am

re: #634 Blind Frog Belly White

You’re giving them far too much credit for thought. It’s much simpler. Anything that comes out of academia in any area that generally votes Democratic is automatically discredited, so ‘Chicago’ is basically a code word.

Mind you, the idiot who said this doesn’t believe anything coming out of academia if it doesn’t align with his “common sense”, which is what he calls his set of beliefs. These are not subject to objective verification, of course. They’re just TRUE!!!

Oh yes “Common-Sense” another thing that Palin made popular. It’s like they feel calling something just “common sense” makes it be.
I don’t think men should be married to men, it’s juts common sense. Or the stuff about the bathrooms. I asked my conservative friend how he can realistically expect the government to enforce laws on bathrooms and for them to know that some people are transgendered. He insisted “that you just know” and I told him how silly that was. Trying to get him to realize that a lot of his positions that he’s staking out aren’t limited government and individual rights based at all but are in fact a form of big government conservatism which does certainly exist and has long existed among people who think they are for limited government but the people who pushed Jim Crow fancied themselves Jeffersonians and Jim Crow was anything but the spirit of Thomas Jefferson’s philosophy. State/locality authoritarianism is still authoritarianism and in fact I will argue more dangerous than federal.

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calochortus  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:41:25am

Time to get out and do stuff while it is still cool and pleasant out.
BBL

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:41:51am

Va. GOP delegate files lawsuit over bound convention votes

“Correll, like many other Republicans, refuses to cast his first-ballot vote — or any other vote — for Virginia primary winner Donald Trump because Correll believes that Trump is unfit to serve as President of the United States,” the suit reads. “Correll is concerned that voting against Trump at the convention may subject him to retaliatory litigation by Trump, Trump’s campaign, or other persons or entities associated with Trump.”

The attorneys have asked for the case to be expedited because the Republican’s nomination convention is only a month away.

Trump wom Virginia’s primary with about 34 percent of the vote, besting Marco Rubio by 3 points.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:42:34am

re: #637 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Va. GOP delegate files lawsuit over bound convention votes

What a mess.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:47:11am

I think I should note that my attacks on stupid “CHICAGO!!1” memes is driven heavily from a personal motive. I was born in Chicago and I grew up there. My parents still live in Chicago and I pass through the city daily going to and from work. I care deeply about what happens to Chicago and wingnuts noting murders in Chicago with barely-disguised glee just pisses me off something awful.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:50:53am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:50:56am

re: #635 HappyWarrior

Oh yes “Common-Sense” another thing that Palin made popular. It’s like they feel calling something just “common sense” makes it be.
I don’t think men should be married to men, it’s juts common sense. Or the stuff about the bathrooms. I asked my conservative friend how he can realistically expect the government to enforce laws on bathrooms and for them to know that some people are transgendered. He insisted “that you just know” and I told him how silly that was. Trying to get him to realize that a lot of his positions that he’s staking out aren’t limited government and individual rights based at all but are in fact a form of big government conservatism which does certainly exist and has long existed among people who think they are for limited government but the people who pushed Jim Crow fancied themselves Jeffersonians and Jim Crow was anything but the spirit of Thomas Jefferson’s philosophy. State/locality authoritarianism is still authoritarianism and in fact I will argue more dangerous than federal.

They clothe it in “Limited Government” and “Liberty” and shit like that, but really, what they want is government at all levels that will make the world stop moving forward. This desire to return to the 1950s? It’s really just because that was THE BEST TIME to be a straight, white, Christian man in America. WWII had been won, the rest of the world had had the shit kicked out of it, so we were booming economically. And we didn’t have to share, not with women, blacks, or Latinos. Women were in the home or in the jobs women were allowed to have. Blacks and Latinos worked in the kind of jobs we let them have, and lived where we let them live. We definitely didn’t have to worry about competing with them for jobs.

Churches told us how great we were, just for going to church. LGBT folks? Well, they were either completely closeted, or if not, you were allowed to beat them up with impunity.

Sure, most people were seeing their lives improve, but straight, white, Christian men were top of the heap.

Of course, they forget that the 1950s started with a war that we ended up having to call a draw, and ended up with people digging bomb shelters because they expected another war far worse than the one that ended 15 years previous. But that’s just details. Really, it’s that peak time for the straight, white, Christian man that they want to recreate.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:51:26am

re: #639 Dark_Falcon

I think I should note that my attacks on stupid “CHICAGO!!1” memes is driven heavily from a personal motive. I was born in Chicago and I grew up there. My parents still live in Chicago and I pass through the city daily going to and from work. I care deeply about what happens to Chicago and wingnuts noting murders in Chicago with barely-disguised glee just pisses me off something awful.

You do care about your city, that much is true. Honestly, I’ve only been through it on layovers but I have some extended family out your way actually. I also know that Chicago was vital in our country’s history and part of why we’ve become so successful. I hate seeing it or any American city even Cleveland* used as a punching bag. People who live in Chicago are Americans. They don’t deserve to be treated by a bunch of wingnut assholes who have never been to it or lived there as a punching bag whenever POTUS talks about crime.
*Sorry ObserverArt, I had to make that gag since I’m a grandchild of Pittsburgh.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:54:43am

This is approximately what I’m dealing with this morning:

Kitty says ” Don’t touch MY computer “

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:56:45am

re: #641 Blind Frog Belly White

They clothe it in “Limited Government” and “Liberty” and shit like that, but really, what they want is government at all levels that will make the world stop moving forward. This desire to return to the 1950s? It’s really just because that was THE BEST TIME to be a straight, white, Christian man in America. WWII had been won, the rest of the world had had the shit kicked out of it, so we were booming economically. And we didn’t have to share, not with women, blacks, or Latinos. Women were in the home or in the jobs women were allowed to have. Blacks and Latinos worked in the kind of jobs we let them have, and lived where we let them live. We definitely didn’t have to worry about competing with them for jobs.

Churches told us how great we were, just for going to church. LGBT folks? Well, they were either completely closeted, or if not, you were allowed to beat them up with impunity.

Sure, most people were seeing their lives improve, but straight, white, Christian men were top of the heap.

Of course, they forget that the 1950s started with a war that we ended up having to call a draw, and ended up with people digging bomb shelters because they expected another war far worse than the one that ended 15 years previous. But that’s just details. Really, it’s that peak time for the straight, white, Christian man that they want to recreate.

Yep, it’s not a coincidence that the 50’s was when the modern white American middle class was at its peak. It’s why honestly I get annoyed when I hear Sanders wax nostaiga about those days too. He may not be someone who pines for segregation and gays being second class citizens but when he does that, he ignores that while many white Americans enjoyed the post-war prosperity, housing discrimination happened, Emmett Till got killed for whistling at a white woman, and yep gays were second class. On a personal note, we very much think my grandfather’s older brother may have been gay and that’s why he left the family for California and no one heard from him ever again. It makes me feel sad because in a more progressive era, he would have had more family that accepted him. Instead, he disappeared and many of his siblings died without knowing what happened to him. I fortunately did manage to find where he’s buried and if I ever make it out to where he is buried out west, I do intend to lay some flowers.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:00:23am

re: #641 Blind Frog Belly White

Their view of “lost America” has little to do with history, just as their view of Reagan has little to do with the historical figure, it is just a collection of warm, fuzzy-slipper memories of what seemed to them like a better world.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:03:01am

re: #645 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Their view of “lost America” has little to do with history, just as their view of Reagan has little to do with the historical figure, it is just a collection of warm, fuzzy-slipper memories of what seemed to them like a better world.

It was their childhood. There’s a lot of people my generation that revised the 1990’s to be the best time ever to be a kid and talk a lot about how today’s kids are suckers because they didn’t have that 90’s childhood. Honestly, I liked when I grew up. It was a fun time but the past is never as glamorous as it’s made out to be. We just idealize the past because the past is not the present and when the present has its complications i.e. job finding difficulties, relationships, debts, etc, it’s easy to look back on when you were a child and think about the good old days. And indeed there were good times but we only remember the good times.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:03:07am

hmmmmm

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:03:33am

Also in the 50’s were whites in Arkansas yelling at black students attempting to integrate their high school.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:04:10am

re: #647 Backwoods_Sleuth

hmmmmm

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You magnificent Celtic bastards.

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sagehen  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:06:30am

re: #514 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Some people see “culture” as a zero-sum game. Immigrants moving into “the neighborhood” in numbers larger than, oh, say, 20 or so to some people means the newcomers will push aside the existing culture in place of the new one.
(snip)
“White culture” is a myth perpetuated by idiots who think ethnic cultures exist as entirely separate, insulated bubbles.

Did you watch “All the Way” (Bryan Cranston’s HBO LBJ movie)? There’s a whole section about the 1964 DNC convention, and the maneuvering to get 1 black delegate seated. One. 1. A singular black delegate.

4 entire States were so outraged they walked out of that convention, because the presence of One. Black. Delegate. meant “the (epithet)s are taking over, they’re entirely in charge of everything now.”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:06:43am

re: #649 HappyWarrior

You magnificent Celtic bastards.

Parliament is 70/30 “Remain”. They’d only need the slightest cover to disallow the vote. “Sorry, chaps, just can’t do it. Scotland and Northern Ireland won’t let us.”

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:07:11am

re: #649 HappyWarrior

Let’s see if the is the King in the Mountain moment.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:08:13am

re: #651 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Not to mention, the Leave Campaign lied with so much bullshit, I would almost consider the result invalid.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:08:21am

There are so many loopholes to be used (starting with the ref not being binding) that not using them is a malfeasance.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:09:36am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:10:10am

re: #655 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So much gas in one bag.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:10:30am

re: #651 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Parliament is 70/30 “Remain”. They’d only need the slightest cover to disallow the vote. “Sorry, chaps, just can’t do it. Scotland and Northern Ireland won’t let us.”

More likely is that Scotland just gets cut loose. Northern Ireland, I feel, will be brought into line by political maneuvering and by the desire of people there to not risk actions that would entail local political instability.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:11:42am

re: #653 Ziggy_TARDIS

Not to mention, the Leave Campaign lied with so much bullshit, I would almost consider the result invalid.

Yeah, that “£350 million? What £350 million? We never said that!” was positively Trumpesque.

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Skip Intro  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:11:49am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:11:55am

Another loophole:

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:12:47am

re: #655 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Followed closely by Fox News getting its orders to act as CAS for the Great Trump Offensive.

CAS = Close Air Support.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:13:06am

re: #658 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It’s even better, “We said that, OK, we shouldn’t have. Too late though, ha ha.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:13:27am

re: #650 sagehen

Did you watch “All the Way” (Bryan Cranston’s HBO LBJ movie)? There’s a whole section about the 1964 DNC convention, and the maneuvering to get 1 black delegate seated. One. 1. A singular black delegate.

4 entire States were so outraged they walked out of that convention, because the presence of One. Black. Delegate. meant “the (epithet)s are taking over, they’re entirely in charge of everything now.”

I am glad they left the party. Would have been better if they were so disgusted those types left politics all together. Too bad Trump speaks for them now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:15:14am

Labour MP:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:16:58am

As much as the results bother me, I do worry what would happen if there was an attempt to reverse them. That said, the Leave movement definitely pushed a lot of lies and I do agree with those that suggested that something like this should have been up to a supermajority vote.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:17:12am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:17:46am

re: #665 HappyWarrior

As much as the results bother me, I do worry what would happen if there was an attempt to reverse them. That said, the Leave movement definitely pushed a lot of lies and I do agree with those that suggested that something like this should have been up to a supermajority vote.

It would be like the GOP pointing out that the primaries were non-binding…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:17:55am

re: #666 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hopefully someone there will film it.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:18:03am

re: #665 HappyWarrior

As much as the results bother me, I do worry what would happen if there was an attempt to reverse them. That said, the Leave movement definitely pushed a lot of lies and I do agree with those that suggested that something like this should have been up to a supermajority vote.

But it wasn’t and changing the rules after the game has ended is dirtier pool than lying on the campaign trail.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:18:56am

re: #664 Backwoods_Sleuth

There is a reasonable human being.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:19:28am

re: #669 Dark_Falcon

But it wasn’t and changing the rules after the game has ended is dirtier pool than lying on the campaign trail.

That’s why I’m reluctant. It just opens up an ugly can of worms. Fuck the UKIP thoroughly though for lying through their teeth to the people though.

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lawhawk  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:19:52am

re: #653 Ziggy_TARDIS

Not to mention, the Leave Campaign lied with so much bullshit, I would almost consider the result invalid.

I’d go further and demand investigations into the whole UKIP campaign to leave - starting with the 350M claim, how they lied about it, and who funded their campaign. And then hold them personally responsible for the trashing of the global economy on a lie.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:20:12am

re: #665 HappyWarrior

As much as the results bother me, I do worry what would happen if there was an attempt to reverse them. That said, the Leave movement definitely pushed a lot of lies and I do agree with those that suggested that something like this should have been up to a supermajority vote.

Nah, what’s the worst that can happen? I think buyer’s remorse will mitigate things.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:20:19am

Joe “Deadbeat Dad” Walsh once again proves that he’s an idiot:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:20:31am

re: #672 lawhawk

I’d go further and demand investigations into the whole UKIP campaign to leave - starting with the 350M claim, how they lied about it, and who funded their campaign. And then hold them personally responsible for the trashing of the global economy on a lie.

Certainly.

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ObserverArt  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:20:37am

re: #578 HappyWarrior

One thing I’ve noticed since my friend turned into a conservative meme post a thon is that conservatives seem to think we liberals want them to be guilty about the past. To me, it really isn’t that. I know you nor your parents or even grandparents owned slaves but the point is that the side-effects of slavery did and arguably still do exist well in to our lifetimes. As LH brought up, things like segregated neighborhoods aren’t that distant memories. So, yeah you didn’t own slaves and maybe even none of your ancestors did but that’s really not the point. The point is for years because of slavery we had a system that treated black people like second class citizens and many whites benefited from such a system.

We want them to be guilty about the present and the future. Many are still doing the same crap and have the same thinking their predecessors had. Cut that shit right here right now. The future will be better and there won’t be any guilty feelings. If you have guilty feeling now, they are coming from now.

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Skip Intro  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:20:58am

re: #672 lawhawk

I’d go further and demand investigations into the whole UKIP campaign to leave - starting with the 350M claim, how they lied about it, and who funded their campaign. And then hold them personally responsible for the trashing of the global economy on a lie.

I think one of the primary funders is having dinner with Donald Trump tonight.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:21:26am

re: #669 Dark_Falcon

But it wasn’t and changing the rules after the game has ended is dirtier pool than lying on the campaign trail.

Changing the rules to make a non-binding referendum binding after the fact is worse yet. The only binding vote should be in Parliament. Don’t like the way your MP voted? Vote for someone else next time. That’s how democracy is done.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:21:28am

re: #669 Dark_Falcon

But it wasn’t and changing the rules after the game has ended is dirtier pool than lying on the campaign trail.

The ref is not binding; the MPs can vote as they want. Them’s the rules. Wanna change them?

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:21:40am

re: #674 Backwoods_Sleuth

Joe “Deadbeat Dad” Walsh once again proves that he’s an idiot:

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Limited male suffrage!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:21:46am

re: #674 Backwoods_Sleuth

Joe “Deadbeat Dad” Walsh once again proves that he’s an idiot:

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Our founders also gave us legalized slavery Joe. They weren’t perfect and stop agitating for secession you fucking asshole and focus on your damn kids that you owe child support for.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:22:07am

re: #672 lawhawk

Yeah, that actually sounds like a good idea.

I would also investigate UKIP’s funding. If the funding came from Russia, maybe they can charge Farage with Treason.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:22:32am

re: #680 Barefoot Grin

Limited male suffrage!

Landowning white males with property!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:23:41am

Oops brain fart on the non-binding part. Still reluctant but as I said, there’s so much shady shit that was at play here and then you take into account how literally divided the country was on the matter.

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Lidane  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:24:13am

re: #674 Backwoods_Sleuth

Anyone who wants to secede from the United States is kindly invited to sell everything they own and to fuck off and self-deport to whatever lily white libertarian paradise will take them.

The Texas GOP couldn’t even get secession on their already batshit insane 2016 platform and people think that states are going to secede again? Fuck off with that noise.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:24:19am

re: #676 ObserverArt

We want them to be guilty about the present and the future. Many are still doing the same crap and have the same thinking their predecessors had. Cut that shit right here right now. The future will be better and there won’t be any guilty feelings. If you have guilty feeling now, they are coming from now.

Good points.

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lawhawk  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:25:09am

re: #674 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:26:51am

re: #674 Backwoods_Sleuth

Joe “Deadbeat Dad” Walsh once again proves that he’s an idiot:

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We’re not England.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:27:18am

I’ve got a tech coming to work on my internet, so I’ve got to sign off now.

Back soon.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:27:38am

re: #669 Dark_Falcon

But it wasn’t and changing the rules after the game has ended is dirtier pool than lying on the campaign trail.

In fact you wrote an incredibly stupid comment. Who is proposing to change the rules?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:28:18am

You know, speaking of the CSA, I do not get why it’s romanticized at all. Okay, take away your horror of the fact that it existed to protected slavery. That’s bad as is but also consider the fact that there were repeatedly food shortages in the CSA. As well as supplies for their soldiers. In fact, from what I recall when Buford’s cavalry encountered Heth’s infantry outside Gettysburg, Heth’s guys were looking for shoes. The CSA was a modern version of feudalism when poor men were suckered into fighting to protect extremely wealthy landowners wanting to own slaves. It’s too bad that poor, white southerners never found out they were being used because the war never would have happened if that was the case.

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blueraven  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:29:04am

re: #674 Backwoods_Sleuth

Joe “Deadbeat Dad” Walsh once again proves that he’s an idiot:

Joe Walsh @WalshFreedom
The media laughs at it, but secession is where we’re headed. There are just too damn many Americans who want back what our Founders gave us.

What? Slavery?

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Jenner7  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:29:35am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:29:39am

re: #673 Nyet

Nah, what’s the worst that can happen? I think buyer’s remorse will mitigate things.

I hope so I really do. Maybe I’m guilty of imagining things in an American context here. IT is encouraging though to see that parliament is horrified by what did happen.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:29:40am

re: #645 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Their view of “lost America” has little to do with history, just as their view of Reagan has little to do with the historical figure, it is just a collection of warm, fuzzy-slipper memories of what seemed to them like a better world.

It’s a world in which their place was at the top of the heap. However bad it got generally, it was less bad for them, and if it got better they were the first to reap the benefits.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:30:02am

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

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Double Dumbass  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:30:09am

re: #672 lawhawk

I’d go further and demand investigations into the whole UKIP campaign to leave - starting with the 350M claim, how they lied about it, and who funded their campaign. And then hold them personally responsible for the trashing of the global economy on a lie.

It looks to me that UKIP didn’t technically lie about the 350M. They were careful about their language and never promised to spend the money on health, instead implied it so people would fill in the blanks giving them plausible deniability.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:30:37am

re: #674 Backwoods_Sleuth

What is Joe Walsh seceding from?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:31:30am

re: #696 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

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Didn’t you lose Texas to Lyin’ Ted, Donald? Oh yes you certainly did and if the Hispanics that love you so much vote in large numbers, they may just vote for Hillary over you too.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:31:48am

re: #698 jaunte

What is Joe Walsh seceding from?

His payments to his kids.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:32:15am

When the building is collapsing around you it’s not time to “save face”.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:32:55am

re: #655 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Am I a bad person to see this as a missed opportunity?

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wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:33:45am

RTWT. This guy is good, and brutal, but correct. I’m only giving you the end to lure you in:

[…]

McCain once filled Barry Goldwater’s substantial shoes. Today he’s lost in them, like a flea in the Grand Canyon, joining the pompous posse of Arizona’s most pathetic Petticoat Junction extras backing Trump: Jan “Brain Freeze” Brewer and Uncle Joe “Jail-Bound” Arpaio.

Anytime Trump leaks trickle-down racism or dribbles lunatic theories, McCain will be shuffling next to him with a mop and smile because Trump accomplished what the Viet Cong could not do: Donald Trump broke McCain.

It’s a sad end for an old man.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:34:51am

Fucking Berniebro sociopaths:

]mahakali_overdrive2
agree with everything but nonviolence; all successful revolutions except Gandhis and arguably MLK Jrs were not nonviolent, and I am a political pacifist but logically I realize Che or Malcolm or the Arab Sprimg uprisings, PKK uprisings, resistance movements in Chiapas or Greece, all have had the occasional collateral damage because when you attack the establishment, you attack its military too. As I walk around Rome, I am struck by the passions here for politics with much graffiti dedicated to “justice for the proletariat” and such. Americans need to decide not only whether to be nonviolent, but also what that actually means, specifically, and the pros and cons of each. Just a riff after spending time at the Forum this morning, for better or worse. Love your post deeply because I think waiting for some deus ex machina (even if there is one) is HORRIBLE strategy which will just keep us all bystanders and this inactive. Sorry to post less… only wifi here is a few feet from the door as I am staying in a disgusting basement apartment. But glad to have at least a little!

mahakali_overdrive
For every person who struggles with health care, and who voted for Clinton, I have no pity, no mercy, and no concern; they said… no, insisted, that there were “no low-information voters” and to say that was racist or sexist. I assume every Clinton voter is as pleased as punch about this informed decision they have made on behalf of all Americans. Any saying otherwise are lying and wanted this for us. Victory!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:36:09am

re: #703 wrenchwench

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RTWT. This guy is good, and brutal, but correct. I’m only giving you the end to lure you in:

He needs to lose his seat. There was a time when John McCain was a functioning member of the Senate but that time has long passed.

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Archangelus  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:37:14am

re: #698 jaunte

What is Joe Walsh seceding from?

I’d say “reality” but he’s been vacated from there long ago…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:37:17am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:37:33am

re: #704 Nyet

Fucking Berniebro sociopaths:

It’s not the American people’s fault that the majority of Democratic voters don’t view the nomination as Bernie Sanders’ cult of personality.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:38:19am

re: #704 Nyet

“As I walk around Rome”

A European vacation, how nice for him.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:38:51am

And yeah I’m sorry Lizards who voted for Bernie, I did go there. Bernie’s become a COP in the sense that it’s all about him. He’s a candidate that seldom if ever campaigns for other candidates, refuses to admit being wrong, and is still refusing to endorse Clinton even though it’s obvious he won’t be the nominee.

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Great White Snark  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:39:26am
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Lidane  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:39:29am

re: #696 Backwoods_Sleuth

Texas won’t secede because nobody in this state wants to admit that as soon as it happened, the Border Patrol and the military would pull up stakes and start building a wall around Texas.

Also, waking up one morning and finding out that your 401(k), your health insurance, your bank accounts, and your property were suddenly worthless wouldn’t be fun.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:40:02am

re: #707 Backwoods_Sleuth

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But white people have to stick together or some shit like that.

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Teukka  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:40:22am

re: #701 Nyet

When the building is collapsing around you it’s not time to “save face”.

Well, technically, it is when the facade is coming down on your face… *ducks*

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:42:37am

Duram’s parents, believe their son’s pet parrot, Bud, witnessed the murder. Bud, an African grey parrot, seems to replay the murder, mimicking what sounds like two voices, a male and a female, in argument. “Don’t fing shoot,” the bird says on a video that the family says it took several weeks after the shooting.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:43:03am

re: #674 Backwoods_Sleuth

Joe “Deadbeat Dad” Walsh once again proves that he’s an idiot:

The media laughs at it, but secession is where we’re headed. There are just too damn many Americans who want back what our Founders gave us.

An 18th Century agrarian republic for white landowners with slavery and no rights for women.

Yeah, that sounds like what Deadbeat Dad would want. Nobody demanding he pay his child support. No woman taking ‘his’ seat in Congress.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:43:36am

re: #716 Blind Frog Belly White

An 18th Century agrarian republic for white landowners with slavery and no rights for women.

Yeah, that sounds like what Deadbeat Dad would want. Nobody demanding he pay his child support. No woman taking ‘his’ seat in Congress.

I can’t wait for him to have to have a woman as his president and senator.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:45:15am

re: #715 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Um…what the fuck is this fucking shit? If a judge decides to allow a video of a parrot, which could be repeating anything it has heard, including television, as evidence, that entire county’s government should be dissolved.

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ObserverArt  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:45:45am

re: #667 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It would be like the GOP pointing out that the primaries were non-binding…

Is it clear they are not trying that too?

So many people probably never really intended to vote for Trump…uh, they were lied to, and uh, yeah, they didn’t think it would really count just trying to send a message to the establishment…can we take that back???

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:46:57am

So, I’m watching When Time Ran Out…, a stinker of a disaster movie. It’s dubbed into Czech, but meh; I understand. Some big-time actors were in this turkey, and hopefully, they fired their agents as a result. Great fun.

en.wikipedia.org

Also great fun? Reading that Scotland and N. Ireland may indeed have a veto over the whole Brexit thing. Sounds like the Brexiteer leadership didn’t do their homework, which is sort of unsurprising.

LOLOL

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:48:07am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:48:14am

re: #691 HappyWarrior

You know, speaking of the CSA, I do not get why it’s romanticized at all. Okay, take away your horror of the fact that it existed to protected slavery. That’s bad as is but also consider the fact that there were repeatedly food shortages in the CSA. As well as supplies for their soldiers. In fact, from what I recall when Buford’s cavalry encountered Heth’s infantry outside Gettysburg, Heth’s guys were looking for shoes. The CSA was a modern version of feudalism when poor men were suckered into fighting to protect extremely wealthy landowners wanting to own slaves. It’s too bad that poor, white southerners never found out they were being used because the war never would have happened if that was the case.

Your grandfather went off to kill people so that rich white people could own poor black people, and he had his ass handed to him. The worst cause for which American soldiers ever took up arms, and the only reason it wasn’t crushed within a year is that Lincoln was saddled with a series of idiots to whom he foolishly deferred before finally realizing he was better at their own game than they were. Of course you romanticize it. The reality would be embarrassing.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:49:20am

re: #720 Dr Lizardo

So, I’m watching When Time Ran Out…, a stinker of a disaster movie. It’s in Czech, but meh; I understand. Some big-time actors were in this turkey, and hopefully, they fired their agents as a result. Great fun.

en.wikipedia.org

Also great fun? Reading that Scotland and N. Ireland may indeed have a veto over the whole Brexit thing. Sounds like the Brexiteer leadership didn’t do their homework, which is sort of unsurprising.

LOLOL

Hey, been meaning to tell you since you’re in the Czech Republic. New movie due out this summer about the Czechoslovak assassins that killed Heydich in Prague. Don’t know if they filmed in Prague or not and it’s interesting that an Irish actor, Cillian Murphy is playing the lead. In any case, it’s one I will want to see.
imdb.com

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:50:04am

I just logged in to say “hi.”

“Hi.”

The parade committee just came to my house … the person who is to bear the National Ensign did not show up for the parade (second year in a row). That means they want me to bear the flag in the parade (again this year).

Seems since this liberal hippie socialist has the right equipment for this (other than an appropriate uniform, I will wear my USO hat), they know where to come. Parade route starts one block from my house, so I’ll be back in a while.

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ObserverArt  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:50:21am

re: #698 jaunte

What is Joe Walsh seceding from?

Reality. He actually did it a few years ago.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:50:33am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:51:04am

re: #726 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Of course he doesn’t. He’s an idiot.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:51:28am

re: #699 HappyWarrior

Didn’t you lose Texas to Lyin’ Ted, Donald? Oh yes you certainly did and if the Hispanics that love you so much vote in large numbers, they may just vote for Hillary over you too.

If the popular vote in Texas were to flip, the Texas lege is just crazy enough to instruct their Electors to vote the other way. Constitutionally, a state can award their Electoral votes “as they shall determine”, but would this really go over in this day and age? The 2000 jiggery-pokery didn’t spark a revolt, so I’m not hopeful. Once Texas gets away with it, GOP-run states all over the country will get the same idea….

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Jenner7  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:51:29am

Can’t wait for the tell all books about Trump’s campaign after he loses.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:51:45am
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Bear  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:52:11am

re: #316 Shimshon

No. Sorry. This is not historically accurate. The Japanese were ready to surrender and worried about Russia. America knew this since they were reading all the secret cables. The only request Japan had, which America ended up agreeing to anyway after the bombs dropped, was to keep the Emperor.

There was never going to be any invasion. This is the story American school children are told to justify the most horrible devices ever invented.

Strange to see that since I was in one of the divisions scheduled to hit the beach.

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ObserverArt  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:52:27am

re: #703 wrenchwench

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RTWT. This guy is good, and brutal, but correct. I’m only giving you the end to lure you in:

Damn. That made my eyes burn.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:53:03am

re: #730 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I have fallen in love with the Scottish sense of humor. Very proud to have had a second great grandparent born in Glasgow after all this.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:54:09am

re: #729 Jenner7

Can’t wait for the tell all books about Trump’s campaign after he loses.

It’s easy to imagine him spending the remainder of his children’s inheritance on lawsuits.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:54:14am

re: #728 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

If the popular vote in Texas were to flip, the Texas lege is just crazy enough to instruct their Electors to vote the other way. Constitutionally, a state can award their Electoral votes “as they shall determine”, but would this really go over in this day and age? The 2000 jiggery-pokery didn’t spark a revolt, so I’m not hopeful. Once Texas gets away with it, GOP-run states all over the country will get the same idea….

Yeah I think it would be crazy if they did that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:55:38am

oh good fecking grief

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:56:13am

re: #736 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh good fecking grief

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The DOW says, “WHAT.”

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Jenner7  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:56:20am

This is why Bernie shouldn’t have gotten squat.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:56:31am

re: #736 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh good fecking grief

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Yep he’s a moron.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:57:29am

re: #723 HappyWarrior

Hey, been meaning to tell you since you’re in the Czech Republic. New movie due out this summer about the Czechoslovak assassins that killed Heydich in Prague. Don’t know if they filmed in Prague or not and it’s interesting that an Irish actor, Cillian Murphy is playing the lead. In any case, it’s one I will want to see.
imdb.com

Looks like it’s filmed entirely on location in Prague. Very cool…..it’ll probably be quite a hit here.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:58:22am
JUST IN: Trump: #Brexit will not affect the US hill.cm

It already has, you gaping anal fistula.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:58:28am

Zack Ford live-tweeting the massive March4Marriage (to keep it away from LGBT people).

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:58:59am

re: #738 Jenner7

Ok, has Cornel West ever actually done anything?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:59:19am

re: #740 Dr Lizardo

Looks like it’s filmed entirely on location in Prague. Very cool…..it’ll probably be quite a hit here.

Yeah I know the Czechs are very proud of their resistance to the Nazis and later during hte Prague Spring. I was in Prauge for the 40th anniversary of that. I saw the site where the one student set himself on fire to protest the Soviet invasion. That should be a good movie. I’ve been a fan of Cillian’s since The Wind That Shakes the Barley.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:59:20am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:59:30am

re: #742 jaunte

Zack Ford live-tweeting the massive March4Marriage (to keep it away from LGBT people).

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That appears to be an idea whose time has gone.

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ObserverArt  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:59:32am

re: #736 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh good fecking grief

The Hill ✔ @thehill
JUST IN: Trump: #Brexit will not affect the US hill.cm
12:32 PM - 25 Jun 2016
52 52 Retweets 14 14 likes

Is this Trump’s “McCain Moment on the Economy” that pretty much sent the message that someone is severely disconnected from reality and not the man for the job?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:00:12am

re: #742 jaunte

Zack Ford live-tweeting the massive March4Marriage (to keep it away from LGBT people).

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But it’ll be “millions” of people in the RWNJ press, and the rubes will swallow it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:00:37am

re: #745 jaunte

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And yet they hate the ALCU and Hertiage is against first amendment rights for people who aren’t like them.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:02:00am

re: #747 ObserverArt

Is this Trump’s “McCain Moment on the Economy” that pretty much sent the message that someone is severely disconnected from reality and not the man for the job?

I hope so.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:02:26am

re: #749 HappyWarrior

He wants to defend the First Amendment from certain people saying “I do.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:03:21am

re: #751 jaunte

He wants to defend the First Amendment from certain people saying “I do.”

Yep figures. Someone should let Jim Hoft know but then again he’s probably stopped pretending that he cares about LGBT rights.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:03:24am

Sometimes I wish we had a ‘Downding all comments by this user on this thread button.’
/:P

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:03:31am

Franklin Graham manages to see biblical prophesy everywhere he goes, in every world event. In Brexit, the disastrous, xenophobic, ultra-nationalistic vote by the British to leave the European Union, Graham hails it as a setback for the anti-Christ, and reveals his anti-immigrant beliefs to boot.

“It’s historic,” Graham wrote on Facebook Friday. “Last night the United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union.”

“With the breakdown of immigration laws and economies, millions of Europeans feel that their politicians have failed them. Boris Johnson, one of UK’s most popular leaders of the #‎Brexit movement hailed the results as a ‘glorious opportunity,’” he writes. Johnson, it should be noted, is being compared to Donald Trump, but smart.

O_o

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KGxvi  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:03:34am

You know, in a way, I’m wondering if McCain didn’t do us all a favor by picking Palin as his running mate before she was ready for the national stage. Think about the devotion she had/has from the wingularity. Now, imagine her finishing her first term in 2010, getting re-elected and then actually running for president in 2012 in her own right.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:04:36am

re: #754 Backwoods_Sleuth

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O_o

Hah.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:05:05am

re: #755 KGxvi

You know, in a way, I’m wondering if McCain didn’t do us all a favor by picking Palin as his running mate before she was ready for the national stage. Think about the devotion she had/has from the wingularity. Now, imagine her finishing her first term in 2010, getting re-elected and then actually running for president in 2012 in her own right.

You may have a point there.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:05:10am

re: #745 jaunte

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An idea so bad that Reason Magazine is opposed to it:

When the Obergefell ruling upheld gay marriage recognition, the concern that religious colleges would not be able to maintain their objections became a significant concern for religious conservatives. Earlier in the year, Rep. Raul Labrador (R-Idaho) and Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) introduced the First Amendment Defense Act (FADA). The stated intent of the law was to prevent the federal government from punishing or engaging in discrimination against people in certain ways because they believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman only or that sex should be confined to marriage.

The list of areas the laws is intended to apply seems limited at first glance. It would prohibit the government from revoking tax exemptions or refusing to allow tax deductions for charitable donations by or to these groups or individuals. It would prohibit the federal government (only the federal government) from denying grants, contracts or loans, or employment to people because of their positions on same-sex marriage. It would also prohibit the government from denying benefits to people for holding such positions, and it would require the government to accept the accreditation or licensing of those who believe or act according to their positions.

While that seems like a limited list, there was also a final sentence saying the federal government may not “otherwise discriminate against such person.” That’s awfully vague and could mean any number of things, including federal employees using their religious beliefs to not do their jobs. What started off as a bill to keep the federal government from denying tax exemptions to religious schools ended up possibly creating a phalanx of federal Kim Davises. As such, Reason contributor and Cato Institute Fellow Walter Olson warned against FADA because of its vagueness in a piece for Newsweek:

reason.com

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:07:21am

re: #744 HappyWarrior

Yeah I know the Czechs are very proud of their resistance to the Nazis and later during hte Prague Spring. I was in Prauge for the 40th anniversary of that. I saw the site where the one student set himself on fire to protest the Soviet invasion. That should be a good movie. I’ve been a fan of Cillian’s since The Wind That Shakes the Barley.

I’ve been to the actual spot where Heydrich was assassinated as well as to the Petschek Palace in Prague….the site of the Gestapo’s HQ during the Protectorate Era. I had a student who was a big student of history himself, so we’d go on walking tours of Prague for our English lessons and he’d explain what happened there. Pretty cool….good times.

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wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:08:07am

re: #753 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Sometimes I wish we had a ‘Downding all comments by this user on this thread button.’
/:P

Up or downding, while we’re at it.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:08:31am

re: #743 Ziggy_TARDIS

Ok, has Cornel West ever actually done anything?

Aside from self-promotion? You be the judge.

newrepublic.com

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:08:40am

re: #758 Timothy Watson

First Amendment Defense Act Enshrinement of Faith-Rationalized Bigotry Act

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:12:02am

re: #762 jaunte

First Amendment Defense Act Enshrinement of Faith-Rationalized Bigotry Act

Yet somehow mosques should be closed simply for being mosques.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:13:34am

So, I’m at that part of When Time Ran Out… where Paul Newman’s character is walking across a rickety wooden bridge, trying to leave terrified survivors to safety, and this bridge is about ten feet or so above a fucking huge flowing river of lava.

The radiant heat alone would likely cause our hero - not to mention the terrified survivors - to combust. Don’t even get me started on the fact that the rickety wooden bridge should be on fire by now.

LOL

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Stanley Sea  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:17:02am
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sagehen  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:18:21am

re: #729 Jenner7

Can’t wait for the tell all books about Trump’s campaign after he loses.

Pretty sure that’s why there’s NDAs all the way down.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:24:28am
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Stanley Sea  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:24:43am

Is anyone familiar with NextDoor - the neighborhood app?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:26:07am

re: #767 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s a dolt.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:30:38am

Trump showing up in Scotland and going on about how great it was that they had voted to leave the EU would be like showing up in Mississippi in 2012 and saying how great it was that they had elected Obama…

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:32:38am

Well, thankfully, that atrocious bomb is over. What a clunker…..yeah, I can see how this one — and The Swarm two years earlier - pretty much finished Irwin Allen’s career in Hollywood.

Anyway, now for a cinematic brain-cleanser….next up: The Day Of The Jackal (the 1973 flick). And being broadcast in English with Czech subtitles. Sweet.

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Jayleia  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:32:42am

re: #770 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Except with much fewer guns nearby.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:38:15am

re: #771 Dr Lizardo

Well, thankfully, that atrocious bomb is over. What a clunker…..yeah, I can see how this one — and The Swarm two years earlier - pretty much finished Irwin Allen’s career in Hollywood.

Anyway, now for a cinematic brain-cleanser….next up: The Day Of The Jackal (the 1973 flick). And being broadcast in English with Czech subtitles. Sweet.

Classic movie.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:40:03am

heh

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sagehen  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:40:45am

re: #765 Stanley Sea

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OMG what an awesome article!!

Best bits:

Another reason donors are going to stay far back from the blast radius: Trump’s FEC report shows that fully 20% of his campaign spending goes to members of his family or businesses he owns, not at a cost to him, but a profit. After an FEC report that looks like it could be an exhibit in a RICO case, the idea of subsidizing Trump’s campaign and his various enterprises is repellent to donors.

and the grand finale

Donald Trump’s eager Vichy collaborators at the RNC are playing the “he’s our nominee and can do no wrong” act to the hilt, the pain behind their eyes mediated by some secret combination of day-drinking, Xanax and magical thinking. They keep talking and acting as if Trump is a normal candidate and that Hillary is bad enough to scare the party in to line, but their thousand-yard stares prove it’s not working.

Trump’s main hope now is that Hillary Clinton will be indicted, mauled by a bear or struck by a meteor. Praying for miracles isn’t a campaign strategy; it’s political suicide. Sadly for the GOP, Trump is dragging too many over the cliff with him.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:40:47am
The motherfather can’t tell the truth about anything!
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Great White Snark  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:42:25am

re: #736 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:42:36am

re: #773 HappyWarrior

Classic movie.

One of faves from the 1970’s.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:44:01am

Just listened to weekend Hugh Hewitt show about evangelicals supporting Trump - he’s not the typical candidate but they feel like he’s their guy.

They’ll look past every loud and in your face sign that he’s not a god fearing man.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:44:55am

re: #778 Dr Lizardo

One of faves from the 1970’s.

Yeah me too.

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whitebeach  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:50:18am

re: #764 Dr Lizardo

The radiant heat alone would likely cause our hero - not to mention the terrified survivors - to combust. Don’t even get me started on the fact that the rickety wooden bridge should be on fire by now.

LOL

Fuckups like this can be hilarious. I love the “Dragon Tattoo” trilogy and think Salander is one of the greatest heroines of fiction, but at the start of the second, “Girl Who Played with Fire” book, she is at a beachfront hotel on Grenada when a hurricane approaches. The hotel’s management shelters the guests in the building’s basement. Apparently the author, the late great Stieg Larsson, was under the impression that even at the shoreline, the danger from a hurricane is the wind, not the water.

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stpaulbear  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:58:20am

re: #753 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Sometimes I wish we had a ‘Downding all comments by this user on this thread button.’
/:P

I wouldn’t mind seeing a ‘block all comments by and all replies to this user’. It would be useful in bypassing some of the wars that develop on the longer threads.

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2016 • 11:02:38am

re: #650 sagehen

Did you watch “All the Way” (Bryan Cranston’s HBO LBJ movie)? There’s a whole section about the 1964 DNC convention, and the maneuvering to get 1 black delegate seated. One. 1. A singular black delegate.

4 entire States were so outraged they walked out of that convention, because the presence of One. Black. Delegate. meant “the (epithet)s are taking over, they’re entirely in charge of everything now.”

I highly recommend the doc Freedom Summer, which goes through the convention and all of the maneuvering. (Haven’t watched the Cranston movie yet, so not sure if it’s the same exact incident.)

…Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party, which planned to challenge the all-white Mississippi delegation at the upcoming Democratic National Convention in Atlantic City. Delegates included Fannie Lou Hamer, a former sharecropper who had been beaten while trying to register to vote and who had emerged as an authentic and passionate spokeswoman. At the convention, Hamer’s speech moved the crowd but proved no match for the Johnson machine, which feared the upheaval would threaten his candidacy.

pbs.org

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 11:11:32am

re: #745 jaunte

[on the Heritage Foundation arguing for a I Amendment Defence Act

My guess is that would be a Freedom of Religion as long as its our interpretation act, not a freedom of speech act.

—— 0000 ——

Back from the parade. They had called another person in town too, so there were two of us with flags. (Fortunately the staffs and flags were the same size.)

He had never marched before. I gave him a quick and dirty thirty second parade marching lesson, and told him I would guide on him so that we would stay in line and keep us looking good.

If the village is going to keep drafting me for marching duty, I am going to ask the village board for proper equipment (flagstaff, belt, helmet, &c). Instead, I used my flag from my house (about the proper length though the staff is heavier than one used in parades), and wore my USO hat.

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2016 • 11:13:43am

re: #697 b_sharp

It looks to me that UKIP didn’t technically lie about the 350M. They were careful about their language and never promised to spend the money on health, instead implied it so people would fill in the blanks giving them plausible deniability.

Boris Johnson’s bus certainly “strongly suggested” it.

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 11:16:24am

re: #779 SoundGuy 2016

Just listened to weekend Hugh Hewitt show about evangelicals supporting Trump - he’s not the typical candidate but they feel like he’s their guy.

They’ll look past every loud and in your face sign that he’s not a god fearing man.

That’s because the conservative evangelical block has never been about voting for their alleged religious values. They are about voting for conservative social values. They would throw Jesus, Peter, Paul, and Mary (the whole singing group) under a bus if they thought the could get a candidate that would stand against abortion or marriage equality.

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2016 • 11:18:53am

re: #704 Nyet

Fucking Berniebro sociopaths:

That’s the one who started the Reddit “Kossacks for Bernie” or whatever it’s called, right? She used to post some unbelievable (as in, not to be believed) crap at kos. Don’t think she’s missed there.

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2016 • 11:24:04am

re: #726 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Sam Cooke - What A Wonderful World (Official Lyric Video)

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Ming5000  Jun 25, 2016 • 1:38:25pm

re: #745 jaunte

Oh Come ON! Who are these people?
Heritage Foundation used to be an actual think tank. A conservative one, but legitimate. They brought is the framework of the ACA, IIRC.

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Ming5000  Jun 25, 2016 • 1:43:15pm

re: #755 KGxvi

Maybe. I believe that PBO eventually winning was a close call and if McCain himself had not fallen to his knees in Teabaggery he probably could have won.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2016 • 1:44:42pm

re: #789 Ming5000

“…American Principles Project has joined together with Heritage Action for America, the action arm of the Heritage Foundation, and FRC Action, the legislative affiliate of the Family Research Council, to invite each of the candidates running for President to sign the following pledge:

“If elected, I pledge to push for the passage of the First Amendment Defense Act (FADA) and sign it into law during the first 100 days of my term as President.”
So far, four candidates have signed the pledge:

Senator Ted Cruz (R-Texas)
Senator Marco Rubio (R-Florida)
Dr. Ben Carson
Carly Fiorina

Two candidates did not sign the pledge but have expressed public support for FADA:

Former Governor Jeb Bush (R-Florida)
Donald Trump
americanprinciplesproject.org

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