NPR First Listen: Jacob Collier, “In My Room”

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NPR has a review today of wunderkind Jacob Collier’s debut album; it’s officially coming out on July 1st, but the entire album is online at NPR for your listening astonishment.

That’s the thing about Collier: His music operates on multiple levels at once. His sound is all happy showbiz dazzle on top, while underneath, in the boiler room, he’s conjuring Steve Reich and Frank Zappa. His tunes are rooted in stunning, opulent, proudly consonant chords, but sometimes they take sudden left turns into terrifying dissonance. He’s daring and calculating all at once — a child of the Internet who darts from one magical idea to the next, sometimes abandoning hypnotic grooves before they’ve even fully coalesced. Above all, Collier’s got an agile, fully alive musical mind and a distinct sound and, perhaps most importantly, the willingness to take chances. Listening to his sometimes dizzying debut, you get the sense that he could go in any direction and succeed. Or, at the very least, create something interesting.

Here’s Jacob’s stunning arrangement of the Beach Boys’ classic “In My Room,” one of my all-time favorite songs made even more amazing.

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And here’s the full album:

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:05:05pm

It’s Caturday.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:06:57pm

re: #1 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s Caturday.

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The needs of the many to see cat outweigh the needs of the cat.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:07:36pm

re: #2 Nyet

The needs of the many to see cat outweigh the needs of the cat.

Also I’m a horrible person and wake him up for scritches and pictures.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:08:01pm

Dow futures just queefed out another 108 point drop. Not sure what Monday will bring but this isn’t over by a long shot. Everyone backing Leave, especially Trump, assured to look like total fucking idiots. What’s interesting about this is it’s such an unforced error, he could have skipped the trip and avoided taking a side, but now he’s damaged one of the few issues that polls had him inexplicably ahead on, how to handle the economy. After this has settle nobody in their right mind will tolerate his (tiny) hands anywhere near US financial policy.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:10:45pm

re: #4 goddamnedfrank

Dow futures just queefed out another 118 point drop. Not sure what Monday will bring but this isn’t over by a long shot. Everyone backing Leave, especially Trump, assured to look like total fucking idiots. What’s interesting about this is it’s such an unforced error, he could have skipped the trip and avoided taking a side, but now he’s damaged one of the few issues that polls had him inexplicably ahead on, how to handle the economy. After this has settle nobody in their right mind will tolerate his (tiny) hands anywhere near US financial policy.

I wonder how much $$$$ Trump put in futures that the market would tank…

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Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:13:06pm

re: #4 goddamnedfrank

Dow futures just queefed out another 108 point drop. Not sure what Monday will bring but this isn’t over by a long shot. Everyone backing Leave, especially Trump, assured to look like total fucking idiots. What’s interesting about this is it’s such an unforced error, he could have skipped the trip and avoided taking a side, but now he’s damaged one of the few issues that polls had him inexplicably ahead on, how to handle the economy. After this has settle nobody in their right mind will tolerate his (tiny) hands anywhere near US financial policy.

Hillary needs to hit him hard about this now while it’s still fresh, in order to set the narrative. Indelibly tie Trump to the results of this fuckup in the public mind.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:13:15pm

re: #4 goddamnedfrank

It’s even worse for Italian and Spanish banks:

By far the worst of the fallout hit Italy and Spain’s financial sectors, where the banks saw their market capitalization decimated by roughly a fifth. For Italy’s biggest banks, many of which are filled to the gills with slowly putrefying non-performing loans (NPLs), it was their worst day in what is fast proving to be their worst year, ever. If the current trend continues — and there’s no reason to suspect it won’t — some are unlikely to even make it to Christmas in one piece.

The shares of Italy’s biggest bank (and global systemically important institution), Unicredit, slid more than 23% on Friday. They are down 59% since January. The stock of Banco Populare, Italy’s fifth biggest bank, also lost 23% on Friday and is down over 80% since the beginning of this year. The fourth biggest institution, the perpetually failing Banca Monte dei Paschi di Siena whose loss-making derivatives bets were made under Mario Draghi’s watch as Bank of Italy’s governor, fell by 16.5%.

In Spain, the financial sector hit new yearly lows as €23 billion was wiped off their combined market cap. It was the worst rout the sector had ever experienced. Bankia lost 20% of its share value. So, too, did too-big-to-fail Santander and Sabadell, two of the four European banks singled out by JP Morgan analysts as the most exposed to a Brexit fallout. Spain’s other biggest banks — BBVA, Caixabank and Popular — weren’t far behind despite their lesser exposure to the UK market.

Santander and Sabadell both have a major presence in the UK. Close to a third of Santander’s operations are in the UK while for Sabadell, Spain’s fifth biggest bank, the UK represents just over 20% of its operations, thanks to its purchase last year of UK-based TSB. It is also one of the biggest sources of the two banks’ operating profits, but if the sterling continues to fall and the UK enters into recession, those profits could be decimated. For Spain’s biggest bank, Santander, the timing could not have been worse, with profits from its other key international market, Brazil, also shrinking at an alarming rate.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:16:30pm

re: #4 goddamnedfrank

Dow futures just queefed out another 118 point drop. Not sure what Monday will bring but this isn’t over by a long shot. Everyone backing Leave, especially Trump, assured to look like total fucking idiots. What’s interesting about this is it’s such an unforced error, he could have skipped the trip and avoided taking a side, but now he’s damaged one of the few issues that polls had him inexplicably ahead on, how to handle the economy. After this has settle nobody in their right mind will tolerate his (tiny) hands anywhere near US financial policy.

“But he’s a self-made man who started with nothing modestly with a small fortune with a couple hundred million dollars and turned it into $10 Billion $4 Billion $2 Billion $900Million a couple hundred million dollars, with nothing but hard work and a great idea his Dad’s connections and a total willingness to fuck anyone over for a buck!

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wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:21:36pm

For the first time since I became an ex-cyclist, I let my ‘good’ bike out for a test ride by someone who would like to buy it. The test rider is a long-time customer (I don’t want to sell this bike to just anyone) who is a bit odd, but when I tried to describe in what way she’s odd to Mr. w, everything I said would apply to myself as well. So I stopped trying. The bike is out for a day or two. I kept the saddle (I can use it on a bike in a trainer) and the horn ( a gift from my littlest brother). I did put another saddle on it, but she’ll have to holler instead of honking the horn.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:23:47pm

re: #9 wrenchwench

For the first time since I became an ex-cyclist, I let my ‘good’ bike out for a test ride by someone who would like to buy it. The test rider is a long-time customer (I don’t want to sell this bike to just anyone) who is a bit odd, but when I tried to describe in what way she’s odd to Mr. w, everything I said would apply to myself as well. So I stopped trying. The bike is out for a day or two. I kept the saddle (I can use it on a bike in a trainer) and the horn ( a gift from my littlest brother). I did put another saddle on it, but she’ll have to holler instead of honking the horn.

From an unbiased perspective, probably sounds like the right person then.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:28:45pm

re: #5 Joe Bacon

I wonder how much $$$$ Trump put in futures that the market would tank…

None. He’s poor.

His son in law? Maybe more.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:29:09pm

This was posted downstairs. A search for it pulls up a tweet from Jim Himes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:31:13pm

re: #12 GlutenFreeJesus

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This was posted downstairs. A search for it pulls up a tweet from Jim Himes.

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Love the second hashtag.

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wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:32:48pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

Love the second hashtag.

The hashiest hashtag ever!

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Great White Snark  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:33:10pm

Instagram

This cat is cool with Caturday

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:39:05pm

Interesting analysis.

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William Lewis  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:40:32pm

Out the window the sky is dark grey and getting darker. On the radar, is a long string of ugly deep red. It’s clobbering time and we are the targets. Thrill…

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compound_Idaho  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:41:16pm

re: #7 Eric The Fruit Bat

On Friday, the FTSE 100 came out better than almost every other major market. Strange.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:43:55pm

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

Interesting analysis.

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Yep, the impact of Cameron’s resignation on Article 50 was noted earlier today. So many loopholes to invalidate the vote are coming to light.

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ObserverArt  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:45:00pm

re: #17 William Lewis

Out the window the sky is dark grey and getting darker. On the radar, is a long string of ugly deep red. It’s clobbering time and we are the targets. Thrill…

Batten down the hatches! Grab yer life vests!

Mostly stay safe.

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calochortus  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:46:15pm

re: #6 Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)

Hillary needs to hit him hard about this now while it’s still fresh, in order to set the narrative. Indelibly tie Trump to the results of this fuckup in the public mind.

Of course, the True Believers won’t pay any attention, but maybe the disaffected voters in the great heartland can be persuaded not to vote Trump “to send a message” or whatever.

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calochortus  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:47:31pm

re: #12 GlutenFreeJesus

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This was posted downstairs. A search for it pulls up a tweet from Jim Himes.

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Sounds like a nice, civilized sit in.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:47:57pm

So I managed to pretty much nail half-slab babybacks on the Pit Barrel Cooker. Only takes 2 hours and these are meaty (thanks The Fresh Market).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:48:54pm

re: #22 calochortus

Sounds like a nice, civilized sit in.

sit-in with down home tailgate refreshments

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:50:20pm

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

So Cameron pretty much said “Look what you wankers did. Here’s your chance to change your mind.”.

Imagine what that’ll do to the fascist BREXIT politicians.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:50:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:53:13pm

re: #22 calochortus

Sounds like a nice, civilized sit in.

It’s not what MLK would have done. //

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Stanley Sea  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:53:52pm

re: #23 GlutenFreeJesus

So I managed to pretty much nail half-slab babybacks on the Pit Barrel Cooker. Only takes 2 hours and these are meaty (thanks The Fresh Market).

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Looks delish.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:54:19pm

The Second EU Referendum count is now at 2,675,647 signatures.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:55:12pm

re: #29 Eric The Fruit Bat

And that means what?

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Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:56:15pm

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

Interesting analysis.

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Heh, so Cameron pulled “scorched earth” on Boris and Farage. “If I’m going down, I’m taking you bastards with me!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:57:46pm

tweet from yesterday, but good grief…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:58:39pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

tweet from yesterday, but good grief…

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Faux intellectual says what.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:59:10pm

re: #30 PhillyPretzel

“We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.”

petition.parliament.uk

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calochortus  Jun 25, 2016 • 4:59:34pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

It’s not what MLK would have done. //

He would have if he could have… ;)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:00:16pm

re: #35 calochortus

He would have if he could have… ;)

Sarc tags. Mocking people who think they know what MLK would have done.

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compound_Idaho  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:00:28pm

re: #29 Eric The Fruit Bat

It’s almost like they should have voted in this referendum. Oh, wait a minute, they probably did. Pretty high turnout >70%

I’m not a fan of “do overs” or instant replay in the NFL or MLB either.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:00:51pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

tweet from yesterday, but good grief…

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I thought I remembered that Margaret Thatcher was actually one of the main proponents of the European Union, but I Googled it and it turns out that later in her career she had soured on it very much.

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Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:00:54pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

tweet from yesterday, but good grief…

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“I have not become the Kings First Minister in order to preside over the liquidation of the British Empire.”

- Churchill

Maggie probably would have approved, but then again Maggie’s reputation was such that people in the North lined up to piss on her grave. Or as one Scottish comedian put it, for the cost of her funeral, they could have given every person in Scotland a shovel with which they could dig a hole so deep, they could hand her to Satan personally.

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William Lewis  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:01:25pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

tweet from yesterday, but good grief…

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I didn’t know they were economic illiterates too…

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:01:27pm

re: #34 Eric The Fruit Bat

I see. Thanks.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:02:37pm

re: #18 compound_Idaho

On Friday, the FTSE 100 came out better than almost every other major market. Strange.

That’s because their currency lost another 7% on top of the markets.

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Nyet  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:03:52pm

re: #37 compound_Idaho

It’s almost like they should have voted in this referendum. Oh, wait a minute, they probably did. Pretty high turnout >70%

I’m not a fan of “do overs” or instant replay in the NFL or MLB either.

It’s almost like having a 50%+1 referendum on such an issue is a dumb idea in the first place, so a do over is better than nothing.

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William Lewis  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:05:28pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

I thought I remembered that Margaret Thatcher was actually one of the main proponents of the European Union, but I Googled it and it turns out that later in her career she had soured on it very much.

They had a bad habit of doing things like trying to bring her murderous pal Pinochet to justice. Ah well, if there is a God in a heaven, Reagan, Thatcher, Franco & Pinochet are sharing a room in hell together.

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William Lewis  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:06:50pm

Ooh, love power drops from lightning that is far too close for comfort…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:08:07pm

re: #43 Nyet

It’s almost like having a 50%+1 referendum on such an issue is a dumb idea in the first place, so a do over is better than nothing.

Isn’t there also the issue of how Northern Ireland and Scotland voted too?

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Timothy Watson  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:08:23pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

tweet from yesterday, but good grief…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:12:46pm

re: #37 compound_Idaho

It’s okay, you can just come out and say you support Brexit.

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calochortus  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:13:03pm

re: #36 HappyWarrior

Sarc tags. Mocking people who think they know what MLK would have done.

I know.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:14:02pm

re: #49 calochortus

I know.

Yeah thought so. it is one of my pet peeves honestly because to be blunt most people who say that are people who didn’t or wouldn’t have thought much of MLK while he was still alive.

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calochortus  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:15:26pm

re: #50 HappyWarrior

Yeah thought so. it is one of my pet peeves honestly because to be blunt most people who say that are people who didn’t or wouldn’t have thought much of MLK while he was still alive.

That’s because they’re psychic. They also tend to have unusual insight into the Founders’ intent.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:16:13pm

re: #51 calochortus

That’s because they’re psychic. They also tend to have unusual insight into the Founders’ intent.

I have noticed that as well.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:17:55pm

We all knew this was going to happen

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TK-421  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:19:22pm

Gahh!! Work is kicking my ass. Send reinforcements.

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jeffreyw  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:19:39pm

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Caturday? How very droll, dahling.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:21:26pm

re: #55 jeffreyw

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TK-421  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:22:36pm

Hank Paulson, George Will…
Cats and dogs living together, where am I? Who am I?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:24:25pm

re: #57 TK-421

Hank Paulson, George Will…
Cats and dogs living together, where am I? Who am I?

Honestly, I wouldn’t be shocked if Barbara Bush says she’ll vote for Clinton. We know she dislikes Trump a lot and isn’t afraid to say it.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:26:01pm

Tell us again how Leave wasn’t about racism.

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William Lewis  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:26:26pm

half way through the red zone. Raining hard, yellowy sky but no hail and the winds aren’t bad (and no rotation on the radar). If there wasn’t so much lightning I’d be temped to stand in the rain and cool off.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:26:53pm

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

Tell us again how Leave wasn’t about racism.

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There’s been a lot of this crap.

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Jay C  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:27:15pm

re: #6 Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)

Hillary needs to hit him hard about this now while it’s still fresh, in order to set the narrative. Indelibly tie Trump to the results of this fuckup in the public mind.

Good idea, and she should do it anyway, but it’s doubtful that it will change anyone’s ideas - or votes: while the Brexit debate is still a kinda far-off foreign issue to most folks here, it’s only a matter of time (probably already in the works) before the right-wing media shifts into high gear to push a narrative of absolute denial that “Brexit” is any sort of fuckup at all - and flogging the “positive” aspects of the referendum (“screws elites, screws immigrants, how bad could it be??”) with a healthy side order of “liberty” and nationalism: probably something like Sarah Palin’s take, but more comprehensible.Not hard, I know!
And never mind the possibilities of economic fallout: most of the RW media audience is pretty well certain that President Obama has ruined the US economy, they’ll probably know/care less about the UK’s (except, of course, for Donald Trump’s YUUUGELY successful golf resort! Always an exception…….).

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Dave In Austin  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:28:08pm

re: #57 TK-421

Hank Paulson, George Will…
Cats and dogs living together, where am I? Who am I?

My thoughts on this as follows:

Screw you guys, I’m going home!!!!

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William Lewis  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:28:27pm

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

Tell us again how Leave wasn’t about racism.

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Been getting that line in the comments at NPR from people proclaiming they’re asian/black/etc & voted for leave so it couldn’t be about racism. I’ve been telling them to remember that when the thugs are screaming “Go Home!” at them while beating them to death. Because you know that’s coming especially when the unemployment rate starts skyrocketing from this stupidity.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:30:03pm

re: #64 William Lewis

Been getting that line in the comments at NPR from people proclaiming they’re asian/black/etc & voted for leave so it couldn’t be about racism. I’ve been telling them to remember that when the thugs are screaming “Go Home!” at them while beating them to death. Because you know that’s coming especially when the unemployment rate starts skyrocketing from this stupidity.

That is what I’m worried about happening. Economic problems are going to happen and the usual people will be scapegoated as always.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:34:59pm

Evening all, hope that all is good in the Land of the Lizards.

Hot and muggy is the order of the day here on the Tenn-Kucky border. Was out filling tanks today to get them ready to go back to the quarry for tomorrow and I was sweating like a sinner in the front pew on Sunday.

Gotta go get gear ready to rock for tomorrow, I may be doing an “Intro To Scuba” type thing for some people out at the quarry tomorrow afternoon. Don’t know yet, have to see how the students and workload balance out. Either way I know I’m helping with some classes in the morning.

It’s a funny thing, I was actually DIVING more before I became the shop manager. Now each Saturday is spent running the shop, and on 2 Sundays a month I’m out there helping run classes, things like that. I really enjoyed last week going out with some buddies and shop friends to just DIVE with a plan in mind.

In any case, I’ve had a nice burger and ‘tater salad for dinner, now to relax for a while. My Foreman Grill doesn’t do a great job on a lot of things, but MAN it does a great burger. The instructions must have been written by their legal team, if you cook it for anywhere near as long as they say, it’s past well done and on it’s way to ‘hockey puck’. I especially love that it’s so fast, and puts the nice char lines on the burger.

That’s my day, how goes yours?

RBS

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stpaulbear  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:35:14pm

re: #60 William Lewis

half way through the red zone. Raining hard, yellowy sky but no hail and the winds aren’t bad (and no rotation on the radar). If there wasn’t so much lightning I’d be temped to stand in the rain and cool off.

The forecast for Mpls/StP included a severe storm to come through starting around 4:30. As it approached, it broke up just west of the cities. I had about a minute of wind that I took as a prelude to a storm, but then the sun immediately came out for the first time today.

The really ugly stuff went north of us. Is that what you’re getting now?

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:35:31pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

tweet from yesterday, but good grief…

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Newt, you have a small bit of Trump fecal matter on your chin….

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:36:20pm

re: #60 William Lewis

half way through the red zone. Raining hard, yellowy sky but no hail and the winds aren’t bad (and no rotation on the radar). If there wasn’t so much lightning I’d be temped to stand in the rain and cool off.

DO IT!!!! How else do you expect to get Super Powers?

RBS

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:38:48pm

I somehow missed this yesterday.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:39:46pm

re: #70 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I somehow missed this yesterday.

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And they say the Germans don’t know how to have fun.

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Bass Reeves  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:40:39pm

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

But, he’s a coward, right? For resigning because half the country didn’t want to listen to him on a really simple issue?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:42:01pm

re: #54 TK-421

Just look for any Storm Troopers with a Wookie in tow. And shoot.

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William Lewis  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:42:04pm

re: #67 stpaulbear

The forecast for Mpls/StP included a severe storm to come through starting around 4:30. As it approached, it broke up just west of the cities. I had about a minute of wind that I took as a prelude to a storm, but then the sun immediately came out for the first time today.

The really ugly stuff went north of us. Is that what you’re getting now?

I think so looking at the radar tracks from earlier. Not nearly as bad as I expected.

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:45:54pm

re: #17 William Lewis

Out the window the sky is dark grey and getting darker. On the radar, is a long string of ugly deep red. It’s clobbering time and we are the targets. Thrill…

Just got back from the feed at the village fire hall. The fire department’s trucks and firemen weren’t there.

It seems last night a lightning strike hit in a remote area of the county south of the village, in really rough terrain with no roads. It struck in a group of cedar trees.

Apparently the area smouldered all night, then late this afternoon exploded into flame. The village fire department responded with two new pieces of equipment they acquired after the Chadron Fire in 2012: a specialised grass-fire truck, and a tracked fire vehicle carried on a trailer that can get into the deep bluffs and sandhills around here. Though they’ve trained with the vehicles they have never used them until today in an actual fire.

The fire was quickly extinguished by the village fire department. Though a second alarm went out for the unincorporated village to our east to send their fire department, by the time they got there our fire department had the fire out.

They got back just before we left; the fire crew immediately hit the hamburger feed and beer.

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2016 • 5:49:12pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

tweet from yesterday, but good grief…

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Oh, the Trumpeters on CNN last night were giddy about how this was the best day evah in Trump’s campaign. Bakari Sellers and Bob Beckell were just dumbfounded at the idiocy. Of course, newsman extraordinaire, Don Lemon, kind of let it all slide by…

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Skip Intro  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:01:23pm

re: #4 goddamnedfrank

Trump’s ridiculous lie that there’s no drought in California should have been enough to show that he’s a complete ignoramus - not that any more proof was needed.

By the GOP convention there won’t be enough time before November for the Dems to list all of the stupid/wrong/flat out crazy things he’s said. It’s all the more difficult because he adds at least a dozen new ones every single day.

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:01:34pm

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

Tell us again how Leave wasn’t about racism.

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Bear  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:02:36pm

I enjoy looking at all the pictures posted. Just wish I knew how to post some of the ones I have taken with my rather new camera.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:02:43pm

re: #78 BeachDem

Really shows you how undiverse the UK is by comparison to the US.

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Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:02:48pm

re: #62 Jay C

Good idea, and she should do it anyway, but it’s doubtful that it will change anyone’s ideas - or votes: while the Brexit debate is still a kinda far-off foreign issue to most folks here, it’s only a matter of time (probably already in the works) before the right-wing media shifts into high gear to push a narrative of absolute denial that “Brexit” is any sort of fuckup at all - and flogging the “positive” aspects of the referendum (“screws elites, screws immigrants, how bad could it be??”) with a healthy side order of “liberty” and nationalism: probably something like Sarah Palin’s take, but more comprehensible.Not hard, I know!
And never mind the possibilities of economic fallout: most of the RW media audience is pretty well certain that President Obama has ruined the US economy, they’ll probably know/care less about the UK’s (except, of course, for Donald Trump’s YUUUGELY successful golf resort! Always an exception…….).

Look for the upcoming economic carnage to be spun not as a result of the UKIP’s stupidity, but rather a punitive campaign by the EU for the UK daring to engage in “independence.” That it has nothing to do with the UK’s decision causing decades of trade and immigration agreements to be torn up, but instead EU nations pulling jobs and money out of the economy for no other reason than to be dicks.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:03:19pm

Imgur

(Not sorry.)

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:03:55pm
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Skip Intro  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:04:03pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

tweet from yesterday, but good grief…

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Years of sniffing third wife Helmet Head’s hairspray have completely destroyed whatever was left of Newt’s brain function.

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:04:41pm

re: #78 BeachDem

Well, the numbers by themselves don’t necessarily indicate racism, any more than the percentage of elderly people who turned out versus young people indicated ageism.

That said, the campaigning by UKIP and BNP was quite clearly racist, and played on those people fears.

re: #77 Skip Intro

Trump’s ridiculous lie that there’s no drought in California should have been enough to show that he’s a complete ignoramus - not that any more proof was needed.

By the GOP convention there won’t be enough time before November for the Dems to list all of the stupid/wrong/flat out crazy things he’s said. It’s all the more difficult because he adds at least a dozen new ones every single day.

So many political adverts, so little advertising time… .

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:04:50pm

re: #67 stpaulbear

The forecast for Mpls/StP included a severe storm to come through starting around 4:30. As it approached, it broke up just west of the cities. I had about a minute of wind that I took as a prelude to a storm, but then the sun immediately came out for the first time today.

The really ugly stuff went north of us. Is that what you’re getting now?

saw these pics on twitter a couple of hours ago:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:05:37pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

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As I said already, if it was simply economic then Scotland which has had its share of economic troubles would have voted to leave. Bernie fans simply can’t see that racism can and does exist in economic populist movements..

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Skip Intro  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:05:55pm

re: #53 FormerDirtDart

We all knew this was going to happen

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Has Rage Furby shown up yet?

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:06:27pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Really shows you how undiverse the UK is by comparison to the US.

I saw another breakdown, with more distinct categories—i.e. Caribbean vs. African black, but can’t find it right now.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:07:02pm

re: #88 Skip Intro

Has Rage Furby shown up yet?

Last I saw he was too busy posting a “conversation” he had with a black nurse about how he convinced her that Trump isn’t for enslaving black people and that he got her to agree that the blacks need to stop having so many babies and that the real enemy is the Puerto Ricans.

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calochortus  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:07:34pm

Time to get ready to go to the neighbors’ for dinner. Have a nice evening, all. I know we will. :)

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Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:07:50pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

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The “it’s about the economy!” BS makes absolutely no sense when you consider that Scotland and the North voted almost universally to stay, while the South voted almost universally to leave. The regions hit the worst by economic devastation in the last 3 decades voted to remain with the EU while the ones who’ve enjoyed a relatively stable standard of living by contrast felt they had nothing to lose by leaving.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:08:14pm

re: #89 BeachDem

I saw another breakdown, with more distinct categories—i.e. Caribbean vs. African black, but can’t find it right now.

Wow, that would be interesting to see but there definitely would be some differences within those groups since most of the Caribbean emigrants would be English speaking and Christian while the African ones would be from a more diverse background of languages and religion.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:08:47pm

re: #92 Targetpractice

The “it’s about the economy!” BS makes absolutely no sense when you consider that Scotland and the North voted almost universally to stay, while the South voted almost universally to leave. The regions hit the worst by economic devastation in the last 3 decades voted to remain with the EU while the ones who’ve enjoyed a relatively stable standard of living by contrast felt they had nothing to lose by leaving.

Precisely but better said than I could.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:10:19pm

heads are beginning to roll:

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:10:32pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

tweet from yesterday, but good grief…

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Newt with a “contract on truth.” Churchill proposed a “United States of Europe” way back in 1946. He proposed the Council of Europe in 1943.

Thatcher strongly supported staying in the EU.

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stpaulbear  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:13:19pm

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m not surprised. The nasty stuff passed north of the Twin Cities. We lucked out here. I need to call my sister to see how she did.

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:18:00pm

Some other interesting stats:

More than half of those retired on a private pension voted to leave, as did two thirds of those retired on a state pension. (I believe there will be major brexigret among those folks.)

A majority of those who backed the Conservative in 2015 voted to leave the EU (58%), as did more than 19 out of 20 UKIP supporters (96 fucking percent according to the graph)

Nearly a quarter (24%) decided in the week before referendum day; and one in ten decided yesterday, or on the day they filled in their postal vote. (Really too bad John Oliver’s show couldn’t run prior to the vote)

One third (33%) said the main reason was that leaving “offered the best chance for the UK to regain control over immigration and its own borders.”

Leavers see more threats than opportunities to their standard of living from the way the economy and society are changing, by 71% to 29% - more than twice the margin among remainers.

By large majorities, voters who saw multiculturalism, feminism, the Green movement, globalisation and immigration as forces for good voted to remain in the EU; those who saw them as a force for ill voted by even larger majorities to leave.

lordashcroftpolls.com

Our own right wingers would feel so at home with the leavers—if only they had passports!

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ramex  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:18:51pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

It’s somewhat disconcerting to see those at an economic disadvantage being blamed for all the xenophobia and racial hatred, especially when it’s liberals casting this blame.

Glad you’re calling them out.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:20:55pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:21:00pm

re: #99 ramex

It’s somewhat disconcerting to see those at an economic disadvantage being blamed for all the xenophobia and racial hatred, especially when it’s liberals casting this blame.

Glad you’re calling them out.

It’s frustrating to see liberals deny xenophobia and racial hatred. As I said, there’s a part of the left that seems to refuse to see that populism can and is used as a force for the cause of racial resentment. I am NOT saying all populism is evil or bad but I am saying that in populism, often you do see the other scapegoated often. And it happened here.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:21:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:21:39pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

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You’ve been great, in fact much better than a lot of people who have been on the left side of things a lot longer.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:23:03pm

re: #102 Charles Johnson

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30% is hardly a ringing endorsement A) and Labour is also far from universally what we would call liberal in an American context too.

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:23:22pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

You’ve been great, in fact much better than a lot of people who have been on the left side of things a lot longer.

I need to get off my duff and send that cheque of a couple Tubmans Mr. Johnson’s way. Keep reminding me until I do it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:23:56pm

re: #105 Anymouse

I need to get off my duff and send that cheque of a couple Tubmans Mr. Johnson’s way. Keep reminding me until I do it.

Donate money, donate money, donate money.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:24:45pm

re: #102 Charles Johnson

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Every party has people susceptible to fearmongering and lies.
30% of Labour voting Leave makes no more better sense of an argument as saying 30% (or whatever the percentage was) of Tories voting Remain.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:26:12pm

The funny thing? Seeing Jill Stein applaud the Euexit. British Green voters were in fact the strongest supporters of remaining. Granted, I don’t think the British and American Greens are that strongly connected but it shows what an ignoramus Stein is IMO,.

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Lidane  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:26:15pm

Not The Onion:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:26:42pm

re: #109 Lidane

Not The Onion:

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Note to Dobson, kissing your ass isn’t the same as being a Christian.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:27:51pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:28:11pm

I know many will agree with me here but I am sick of economic troubles being used to excuse xenophobia and bigotry.

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:28:29pm

re: #102 Charles Johnson

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and 58% of conservatives and 96% of UKIP voted to leave, so what point was she trying to make?

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CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:28:44pm

OT: Sorry, but this is important—GWS is definitely gonna have to stop using the ACLU as a source lest he be branded as pro-Da’esh. //

OH NOES—Sharia, the Caliphate, we’re doomed—eleventy!!11!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:30:08pm

re: #114 CuriousLurker

OT: Sorry, but this is important—GWS is definitely gonna have to stop using the ACLU as a source lest he be branded as pro-Da’esh. //

OH NOES—Sharia, the Caliphate, we’re doomed—eleventy!!11!

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CL, your rule about Jews applies really well here quite well. In fact, I’m old enough to remember hearing right wingers call the ALCU the ACJew.

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ozharas  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:30:21pm

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

A collection of similar experiences…

facebook.com

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Great White Snark  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:30:37pm

re: #114 CuriousLurker

Oh Noes!!!
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jaunte  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:31:23pm

re: #114 CuriousLurker

That will be a surprise to some people.

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:31:39pm

re: #114 CuriousLurker

OT: Sorry, but this is important—GWS is definitely gonna have to stop using the ACLU as a source lest he be branded as pro-Da’esh. //

OH NOES—Sharia, the Caliphate, we’re doomed—eleventy!!11!

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Isn’t Dr. Marty Fox one of Rage Furby’s buddies? Makes sense.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:33:28pm

re: #114 CuriousLurker

Horowitz has been in Muslim-hating overdrive for the past six months. I’m still on one of his mailing lists and I get multiple absolutely insane emails begging for money from the bigoted right wing base every single day.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:34:16pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

Horowitz has been in Muslim-hating overdrive for the past six months. I’m still on one of his mailing lists and I get multiple absolutely insane emails begging for money from the bigoted right wing base every single day.

Horowitz while Jewish is a Jared Taylor apologist IIRC.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:34:43pm

re: #117 Great White Snark

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I am SO stealing that.

re: #119 BeachDem

Isn’t Dr. Marty Fox one of Rage Furby’s buddies? Makes sense.

I dunno, I had him blocked already, but I happened to see his tweet while using a different (non-political) Twitter account.

It must take a LOT of energy to maintain that level of paranoia & hate all the time.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:34:44pm

splcenter.org
Jared Taylor for those of you who don’t know him.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:34:57pm

I haven’t unsubscribed from Horowitz’s email list because I’m strangely fascinated by how insane it’s gotten.

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Donkey With No Name  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:35:04pm

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

heads are beginning to roll:

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Seems like Labour is going to have real trouble over the next few weeks.

From what I’ve heard, Jeremy Corbyn really didn’t cover himself with glory - neither a full throated Remain or an admission that he favored Leave. (Basically it sounds like he concern-trolled Remain.)

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:35:05pm

Frontpage Magazine discovers American Top 40 host Casey Kasem was actually Kemal Amen Kasem.

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unproven innocence  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:35:43pm

re: #34 Eric The Fruit Bat

“We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.”

petition.parliament.uk

As a programmer, I can say that this rule could be a potential infinite loop, more or less. Yet another termination condition is required. For example, no more than x more referendums by this rule.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:36:47pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

I haven’t unsubscribed from Horowitz’s email list because I’m strangely fascinated by how insane it’s gotten.

Glutton for punishment are we Charles?

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:37:09pm

re: #126 jaunte

::: rolls eyes ::: Oy Vey here we go again. /

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Bass Reeves  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:38:24pm

re: #127 unproven innocence

the problem being, a termination clause would then result in *action*, which this potentially infinite loop avoids.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:39:00pm

re: #126 jaunte

Frontpage Magazine discovers American Top 40 host Casey Kasem was actually Kemal Amen Kasem.

Tardis has pointed this out before but the first country to recognize the USA was Morocco that did so in 1777, four years before Yorktown and six years before the Treaty of Paris. A Treaty of Friendship was signed in 1786, a year before the Constitution was ratified and three years before George Washington became our first President.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:39:33pm

re: #114 CuriousLurker

Dr Fox, one of the top furby fan clubbers…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:39:57pm

re: #132 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dr Fox, one of the top furby fan clubbers…

Proving once and for all that you can be a Dr. and not necessarily smart.

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Great White Snark  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:40:59pm

re: #122 CuriousLurker

I am SO stealing that.

I dunno, I had him blocked already, but I happened to see his tweet while using a different (non-political) Twitter account.

It must take a LOT of energy to maintain that level of paranoia & hate all the time.

Well hey Baldwin drinking would have been completely inappropriate. And during Ramadan?! *wink*

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Lidane  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:41:27pm

*facepalm*

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:42:13pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

I haven’t unsubscribed from Horowitz’s email list because I’m strangely fascinated by how insane it’s gotten.

Horowitz was a leading commie fanatic in the 60s. Now he is a leading right-wing fanatic. As the old Russian proverb says, “Whether the water is salt or fresh, shit floats.”

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:42:18pm

re: #135 Lidane

He definitely has a thumb tic.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:43:33pm

re: #136 Shiplord Kirel

Horowitz was a leading commie fanatic in the 60s. Now he is a leading right-wing fanatic. As the old Russian proverb says, “Whether the water is salt or fresh, shit floats.”

Yeah if he hadn’t been switched sides, he’d be one of these leftist types that probably thinks that Bernie Sanders isn’t “pure” enough.

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:43:48pm

re: #122 CuriousLurker

I am SO stealing that.

I dunno, I had him blocked already, but I happened to see his tweet while using a different (non-political) Twitter account.

It must take a LOT of energy to maintain that level of paranoia & hate all the time.

It’s yes—I absolutely remember him on upchuck’s old twitter account as a big fan.

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unproven innocence  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:44:09pm

re: #130 Bass Reeves

the problem being, a termination clause would then result in *action*, which this potentially infinite loop avoids.

Fair point.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:44:21pm

re: #139 BeachDem

It’s yes—I absolutely remember him on upchuck’s old twitter account as a big fan.

I remembered the name too. Did not know he was an Upchuck fan though.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:44:33pm

re: #135 Lidane

Of course Texas will not secede. They will break themselves into 7 different states then secede. I believe it is in their state constitution.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:45:21pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

Last I saw he was too busy posting a “conversation” he had with a black nurse about how he convinced her that Trump isn’t for enslaving black people and that he got her to agree that the blacks need to stop having so many babies and that the real enemy is the Puerto Ricans.

I saw that too. Just goes to show what happens when you are up for 96 straight hours hitting the pipe and the shadow people start to appear in the corners of the room.

RBS

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:47:51pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:48:14pm

re: #143 Reality Based Steve

I saw that too. Just goes to show what happens when you are up for 96 straight hours hitting the pipe and the shadow people start to appear in the corners of the room.

RBS

Was that the pipe or the bottle? But yeah I saw that too and almost laughed because it was so pathetic. Totally one sided with “her” apologizing for all the terrible things black people “do” to burden white people and Chucky without a word. Honestly, I’m surprised he wasn’t a Trump guy all the way. I mean Ted Cruz is a dickhead too but Trump fits the kind of dickhead he is.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:48:35pm

re: #144 FormerDirtDart

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Fascist is afraid of tough questions.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:50:20pm

re: #82 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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(Not sorry.)

A special level of hell

RBS

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:50:57pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:51:08pm

re: #146 HappyWarrior

When you talk to that Trump person you must follow the script. The reporter did not and that Trump person calls him “nasty” for it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:51:53pm

re: #149 PhillyPretzel

When you talk to that Trump person you must follow the script. The reporter did not and that Trump person calls him “nasty” for it.

They really have a habit of projecting what they are on other people don’t they?

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nines09  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:52:22pm

re: #109 Lidane

Not The Onion:

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But Trump was talking about a business proposition. He would loan his name and influence for a small fee, unless the product took off, then it would be a percentage of not under 7% and not over 10.25%. I think it was “Baby Christian Ribs and Fixings.” Some of the marketing was along the lines of “When a Witless Tangerine Ballsack Cocksplat wants ribs that will make him cry out “BABY JESUS….There”s only one place to stop!” Baby Christian Ribs! AND Fixings!

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:52:42pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

Was that the pipe or the bottle? But yeah I saw that too and almost laughed because it was so pathetic. Totally one sided with “her” apologizing for all the terrible things black people “do” to burden white people and Chucky without a word. Honestly, I’m surprised he wasn’t a Trump guy all the way. I mean Ted Cruz is a dickhead too but Trump fits the kind of dickhead he is.

First Rage Furby said he wanted “her” people to stop rapin’ “our wimmin” and get jobs and stop havin’ babies that he had to pay for. THEN she agreed with him wholeheartedly and blamed Puerto Ricans for all of life’s problems. I believe I said the conversation was as likely to have actually happened as my sprouting wings and flying to Mars.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:54:08pm

re: #152 BeachDem

First Rage Furby said he wanted “her” people to stop rapin’ “our wimmin” and get jobs and stop havin’ babies that he had to pay for. THEN she agreed with him wholeheartedly and blamed Puerto Ricans for all of life’s problems. I believe I said the conversation was as likely to have actually happened as my sprouting wings and flying to Mars.

Yeah it was so one sided. If he had actually said that to a black woman, he would have gotten his sorry ass kicked. He really is a pathetic bigoted little shitgoblin.

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William Lewis  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:56:59pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

Yeah it was so one sided. If he had actually said that to a black woman, he would have gotten his sorry ass kicked had his balls ripped off manually and handed back to him on a silver platter. He really is a pathetic bigoted little shitgoblin.

FTFY…

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 25, 2016 • 6:59:49pm

Suppose the Russians are bankrolling the Texas Secession movement? I regard this as a near certainty, given their open, public support and the recent dramatic upsurge in secesh fortunes after the Kremlin started showing interest. How will Putin’s henchmen react when they realize that the “movement” is a running joke and the money was basically wasted? It is one thing to scam fundy rubes and suburban money-grubbers, something else altogether to scam a dictatorship’s secret service.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:02:02pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

It was surprising to see in person that those ravens are the size of a small dog.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:02:41pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:04:03pm

re: #157 goddamnedfrank

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Yep.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:04:13pm

re: #157 goddamnedfrank

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Many who voted out live in the poorest districts with the highest influx of immigrants.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:06:37pm
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Belafon  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:08:49pm

My kids are talking and suggested taking Krampus and making it Trumpus.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:09:21pm

re: #157 goddamnedfrank

This kind of shit makes me crazy, when I see liberals being blatantly manipulated by right wing propaganda and they just fucking refuse to see it.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:09:26pm

re: #156 jaunte

It was surprising to see in person that those ravens are the size of a small dog.

When I was stationed in Alaska, we had a lot of ravens on post. They were a pretty scary bird quite frankly. Big, bad attitude, huge beak and a look that said “If you were wounded, you know I’m going for your eyeballs first”

We used to call them “Dumpster Chickens”.

RBS

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:09:50pm

re: #159 Barefoot Grin

Many who voted out live in the poorest districts with the highest influx of immigrants.

But many live in incredibly white areas with high amounts of EU export dependency. Whiteness, poor education and EU dependency are the factors that most closely correlate with wanting out.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:09:57pm

re: #161 Belafon

My kids are talking and suggested taking Krampus and making it Trumpus.

You should listen to your children. They show wisdom.

RBS

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:13:31pm

re: #157 goddamnedfrank

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Only just over one in twenty (6%) said their main reason was that “when it comes to trade and the economy, the UK would benefit more from being outside the EU than from being part of it.”

lordashcroftpolls.com

She is full of crap.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:14:36pm

I remember when I was in the UK a couple years ago visiting my cousin. My cousin’s son at that time was two years old and my cousin was working as a nanny for alot of the children in the neighborhood. One of the little kids was a Muslim little girl. That day me, my cousin, her son, and this little girl went on a boat ride and had lunch at a Middle Eastern place. After the results came in a couple nights ago, she expressed that she hoped that her daughter and son would see herself as just being part of the human race rather than being American/British. Told her flat out that with parents like her and her husband, that her daughter doesn’t have to worry about that. I’ve had it with xenophobia. White, American, Christian etc are all designations we make to separate ourselves. I am not saying things like nationality, religion, and race will disappear but we need to really start viewing people as people and it’s sad that age old bigotry continues to win still.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:15:30pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:16:23pm

re: #164 goddamnedfrank

But many live in incredibly white areas with high amounts of EU export dependency. Whiteness, poor education and EU dependency are the factors that most closely correlate with wanting out.

From what I’ve seen this is absolutely correct, and I think I’m missing something. Racism is not dependent on wealth or lack thereof. In fact, it probably correlates higher with wealth. But in economically dire times, it’s not hard to fan the flames of racial grievance among the marginalized whites, particularly the elderly who have been nursing these feelings for a long time.

I think I’m missing the argument. You and Charles aren’t arguing that there’s no economic component, right?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:16:52pm

re: #168 goddamnedfrank

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It’s like she’s unable to admit that people who have grievances are unable to be bigoted.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:17:22pm

More signs that the GOP is moving farther and farther from how the country feels and thinks.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:18:23pm

re: #171 Reality Based Steve

More signs that the GOP is moving farther and farther from how the country feels and thinks.

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Excellent. We can’t avoid the same mistakes though

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:18:47pm

such total bullshit:

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:18:57pm

It’s long past time that we on the left confront the racists on our side head on. Anybody whose principles dictate or simply allow for sacrificing the basic safety and equality of minority voters needs to be called out for the depraved bigot they are. Like Al Giordano said, “If it’s not multi-racial it’s not the left.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:19:27pm

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

such total bullshit:

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I didn’t realize Obama was responsible for what voters in Britain decide to do. Such bullshit indeed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:20:25pm
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jaunte  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:21:35pm

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

Obama forcing Brexit on Britain and the EU will be harshly judged by history.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:21:40pm

I was looking at statistics of market share of Internet browsers and noticed that Japan and South Korea were the only countries where Internet Explorer was in the lead. Curious as to why, I went to Google and found this interesting article about South Korea from a couple years ago:

The story of how South Korea became dependent on Internet Explorer begins in the late 1990s.

South Korea’s government was among the first to encourage shopping and banking online, but many people were concerned about Internet safety. The government’s goal was to make online shopping nearly as secure as a trip to a small-town market, one where vendors know all their customers by name and face.

To reassure South Korean customers, the government created its own system to authenticate the identities of online buyers. To make purchases, shoppers had to supply their names and social security numbers and apply for government-issued “digital certificates,” which they could present to sellers as proof of ID. The whole process took just a few clicks.

But the back and forth was technologically complicated, and it came with a catch: It required a piece of additional software, or “plugin,” known as ActiveX — which is also made by Microsoft and worked in tandem only with Internet Explorer.

That system, implemented in 1999, remains largely in place today.

japantimes.co.jp

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CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:27:50pm

re: #168 goddamnedfrank

THIS. Just last night I was reading about how places like Sunderland could suffer really badly economically (they voted Leave 61.3% / Remain 38.7%). It makes no sense unless they’d rather burn it all down than share with those horrible people who don’t look & think exactly like they do. Case in point: Nissan says ‘no comment’ on future of Sunderland plant after Brexit - Sunderland Echo

Edit: Added link to gdf’s comment, which I was replying to.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:30:11pm

re: #179 CuriousLurker

THIS. Just last night I was reading about how places like Sunderland could suffer really badly economically (they voted Leave 61.3% / Remain 38.7%). It makes no sense unless they’d rather burn it all down than share with those horrible people who don’t look & think exactly like they do. Case in point: Nissan says ‘no comment’ on future of Sunderland plant after Brexit - Sunderland Echo

And what’s really messed up is that’s going to make them even more hostile to immigrants.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:31:11pm

re: #160 goddamnedfrank

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prairiefire  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:32:04pm

Newly crowned Miss Missouri is openly gay, bitches.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:32:20pm

re: #181 goddamnedfrank

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I wonder if it’s the same in Northern Ireland. The Catholic areas of NI voted strongly to remain too.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:33:54pm

re: #182 prairiefire

Newly crowned Miss Missouri is openly gay, bitches.

Looked her up. Her platform is suicide prevention. Good for her.

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Interesting Times  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:34:05pm

re: #174 goddamnedfrank

Re what you posted upthread about Cameron (who really ought to go down as one of—if not the—worst PM in UK history): he won his majority gov’t largely by running a campaign that pandered to bigotry, headed by none other than Lynton Crosby (scrotalpated Aussie-born lovechild of Karl Rove and Lee Atwater).

Fascinating to see all that come back to bite him in a manner most spectacular (*cough* much like the GOP establishment *cough*)

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CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:35:25pm

re: #169 Barefoot Grin

I think I’m missing the argument. You and Charles aren’t arguing that there’s no economic component, right?

I might be wrong, but I think they’re saying the same thing Charles Pierce did yesterday:

Without the accelerant of pure racism—the existence of which among the British comes as no surprise to those of who descend from involuntary members of their old Empire—this thing never gets off the ground. […]

esquire.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:35:56pm

re: #185 Interesting Times

Re what you posted upthread about Cameron (who really ought to go down as one of—if not the—worst PM in UK history): he won his majority gov’t largely by running a campaign that pandered to bigotry, headed by none other than Lynton Crosby (scrotalpated Aussie-born lovechild of Karl Rove and Lee Atwater).

Fascinating to see all that come back to bite him in a manner most spectacular (*cough* much like the GOP establishment *cough*)

I have to admit, I was pretty ignorant and thought Cameron wasn’t so bad. Still wanted Labour or the Lib Dems to win by the way of course.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:37:12pm

June 21:
Opinion: The dirty secret about the Brexit vote: It’s all a sham

“…Even if Britain votes on Thursday to leave the EU, it’s dollars to donuts — or, more accurately, pounds to peanuts — that the government will instead craft a face-saving formula that gives the illusion of Brexit without much substance. Britain will end up striking deals with Brussels to stay within the single market. In return it will have to keep making contributions for access, just as it does now.”
……….

“…Furthermore, Thursday’s referendum has no constitutional standing whatsoever.

Great Britain has no written constitution. By convention, theory and practice, sovereignty actually lies in the parliamentary House of Commons. Britain could only leave the EU by an act of Parliament. And it would be entirely up to Parliament to craft the terms of Brexit, and the shape of whatever followed. “

marketwatch.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:38:32pm

re: #186 CuriousLurker

I might be wrong, but I think they’re saying the same thing Charles Pierce did yesterday:

I think what Frank and Charles feel is that you can’t say this was simply economic and ignore that well off parts of the UK voted to leave while Scotland which ahs its share of economic problems voted to stay. The ignoring of the role of race baiting and scapegoating for the economic problems is what’s bothering a lot of people.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:39:31pm

re: #179 CuriousLurker

Forgot to click on “reply” so there would be a link to gdf’s comment, which is what I was responding to. Fixed now.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:39:31pm
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Tigger2  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:40:56pm

re: #109 Lidane

Not The Onion:

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freetoken  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:42:16pm

re: #189 HappyWarrior

Few people actually vote over “economics”, per se.

What does drive people is fear, and fear of losing one’s job, or never being able to find a good one, is a common one, I think.

But here of course Brexit is a sham, as leaving the EU will likely end up costing jobs, as the UK will no longer be a gateway into the EU for companies from other parts of the world.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:43:42pm

re: #193 freetoken

Few people actually vote over “economics”, per se.

What does drive people is fear, and fear of losing one’s job, or never being able to find a good one, is a common one, I think.

But here of course Brexit is a sham, as leaving the EU will likely end up costing jobs, as the UK will no longer be a gateway into the EU for companies from other parts of the world.

What really stinks is as you get it even more economic problems will happen and more economic problems tends to lead to more resentment.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:44:36pm

re: #186 CuriousLurker

I might be wrong, but I think they’re saying the same thing Charles Pierce did yesterday:

That makes sense. I think we’re arguing the same thing from different sides. To get Godwin too quickly: you don’t get Nazis without a highly aggrieved and anti-semitic German middle and upper class who think they can control HItler; and we don’t get Hitler without an angry underclass willing to follow his lead. I just don’t think you can de-agreggate the economic from the cultural. Haven’t poor southern whites been voting against their own best interests for a long time?

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:45:14pm

re: #192 Tigger2

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“Baby Christian Trump”…. Is this the part where his supporters bring him campaign contributions of Gold, Frankincense and Myrrh?

RBS

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freetoken  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:45:31pm

re: #194 HappyWarrior

Yes, it’s a nasty feedback loop. Now, smart people have worked hard in economics and diplomacy to try and make the world work better.

But the need for identity is so strong that abstract ideas of economic interdependence just can’t compete.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:46:00pm

re: #195 Barefoot Grin

That makes sense. I think we’re arguing the same thing from different sides. To get Godwin too quickly: you don’t get Nazis without a highly aggrieved and anti-semitic German middle and upper class who think they can control HItler; and we don’t get Hitler without an angry underclass willing to follow his lead. I just don’t think you can de-agreggate the economic from the cultural. Haven’t poor southern whites been voting against their own best interests for a long time?

I think you’re on the same page as us. You’re saying that that the economic problems that do exist can be used cause racial resentment if I’m reading you correctly, right?

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Bass Reeves  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:46:20pm

re: #169 Barefoot Grin

The people who voted Brexit over economic concerns were simply lied to about the effect of Brexit on the economy. The people who lied to them wanted Brexit based on xenophobia and bigotry. The people who DIDN’T vote Brexit on economic concerns ALSO voted on xenophobia and bigotry. Brexit in no way enhances the financial situation of GB, and it was very obvious that it would not, so…no…there were no accurate economic concerns to support GB leaving the EU.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:47:32pm

re: #199 Bass Reeves

The people who voted Brexit over economic concerns were simply lied to about the effect of Brexit on the economy. The people who lied to them wanted Brexit based on xenophobia and bigotry. The people who DIDN’T vote Brexit on economic concerns ALSO voted on xenophobia and bigotry. Brexit in no way enhances the financial situation of GB, and it was very obvious that it would not, so…no…there were no accurate economic concerns to support GB leaving the EU.

I don’t think BG is saying those concerns were legitimate but that they were there and as you say the people were either lied to or voted on account of bigotry anyhow.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:47:59pm

re: #189 HappyWarrior

I think what Frank and Charles feel is that you can’t say this was simply economic and ignore that well off parts of the UK voted to leave while Scotland which ahs its share of economic problems voted to stay. The ignoring of the role of race baiting and scapegoating for the economic problems is what’s bothering a lot of people.

I agree with that. It’s not simply economic. I think maybe I’m wrong in thinking that they are suggesting that it is not at all economic. But that is how I read it.

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Bass Reeves  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:49:50pm

re: #200 HappyWarrior

I’m saying that there were no legitimate economic concerns. The fact that people thought there were some concerns based on lies doesn’t make those concerns legitimate. It does make those votes not based on bigotry though, yes. Ignorance =/= bigotry.

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:50:20pm

re: #179 CuriousLurker

THIS. Just last night I was reading about how places like Sunderland could suffer really badly economically (they voted Leave 61.3% / Remain 38.7%). It makes no sense unless they’d rather burn it all down than share with those horrible people who don’t look & think exactly like they do. Case in point: Nissan says ‘no comment’ on future of Sunderland plant after Brexit - Sunderland Echo

Edit: Added link to gdf’s comment, which I was replying to.

And then there’s Cornwall:

Cornwall votes for Brexit then pleads to keep EU funding

Cornwall, which has a poor economy and as such has received millions of pounds in subsidies from the EU each year for over a decade, voted decisively to Leave.

But this money is now threatened following the severing of ties with the EU.

“We will be insisting that Cornwall receives investment equal to that provided by the EU programme which has averaged £60m per year over the last ten years.”

independent.co.uk

Good luck with that.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:50:39pm

re: #202 Bass Reeves

I’m saying that there were no legitimate economic concerns. The fact that people thought there were some concerns based on lies doesn’t make those concerns legitimate. It does make those votes not based on bigotry though, yes. Ignorance =/= bigotry.

We agree 100%.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:50:55pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:51:41pm

re: #203 BeachDem

And then there’s Cornwell:

Cornwall votes for Brexit then pleads to keep EU funding

Cornwall, which has a poor economy and as such has received millions of pounds in subsidies from the EU each year for over a decade, voted decisively to Leave.

But this money is now threatened following the severing of ties with the EU.

“We will be insisting that Cornwall receives investment equal to that provided by the EU programme which has averaged £60m per year over the last ten years.”

independent.co.uk

Good luck with that.

That’s pretty damn rich. It reminds me of the Tea Party Congressman elect who got elected bitching about ACA and government health care and then demanded his government provided health insurance benefits before he took the oath of office.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:51:45pm

re: #199 Bass Reeves

The people who voted Brexit over economic concerns were simply lied to about the effect of Brexit on the economy. The people who lied to them wanted Brexit based on xenophobia and bigotry. The people who DIDN’T vote Brexit on economic concerns ALSO voted on xenophobia and bigotry. Brexit in no way enhances the financial situation of GB, and it was very obvious that it would not, so…no…there were no accurate economic concerns to support GB leaving the EU.

I think that is a valid interpretation. There were no accurate economic concerns. But in my view, there rarely are. I have never understood humans as rational economic actors.

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:52:37pm

re: #188 jaunte

I would guess if the House of Commons did not follow the will of the referendum, they would be slaughtered at the polls in the next election.

On the other hand, if the petition circulating on Parliament’s Website is taken up, it gives the House of Commons another out (they can hold another referendum).

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:53:07pm

re: #207 Barefoot Grin

I think that is a valid interpretation. There were no accurate economic concerns. But in my view, there rarely are. I have never understood humans as rational economic actors.

A good example of what you mean about humans rarely being rational economic actors is how poor Appalachia is a stronghold for the Republican Party.

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TK-421  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:53:38pm

re: #126 jaunte

The top 40 was a euphemism for virgins. It all makes sense now.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:55:18pm

I’ve been on and off LGF all day and the wife is not happy. Gotta go to bed. I’m looking forward to reading your edifying responses tomorrow. I have my opinions, but I’m willing to weigh others for better insight and understanding. I really don’t know much about Great Britain and am basing my views almost wholly on gut instinct.

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Cheechako  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:57:23pm

re: #208 Anymouse

I would guess if the House of Commons did not follow the will of the referendum, they would be slaughtered at the polls in the next election.

On the other hand, if the petition circulating on Parliament’s Website is taken up, it gives the House of Commons another out (they can hold another referendum).

Even if there’s a do-over the money lost in the financial markets will take a long time to return. I suspect there’s a few money marketers who made billions of dollars yesterday.

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Bass Reeves  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:58:04pm

re: #207 Barefoot Grin

I agree, humans have a host of conflicting motivations, and economics is not always the primary. In this case, GB just kicked themselves in the nards.

I dunno, am I missing something? Is there a single legitimate economic benefit that the UK receives from leaving the EU, since all of the ones in the actual campaign were found to be utter bollocks?

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Jay C  Jun 25, 2016 • 7:58:43pm

re: #203 BeachDem

Cornwall votes for Brexit then pleads to keep EU funding

Cornwall, which has a poor economy and as such has received millions of pounds in subsidies from the EU each year for over a decade, voted decisively to Leave.

But this money is now threatened following the severing of ties with the EU.

Another issue with the Cornwall subsidies is that the money - supposedly something like €100M yearly - has been allocated out over several years into the future (?2020?) - what their status would be in the event of “Brexit” seems to just another one of those things they didn’t think much about

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:01:02pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:01:23pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:01:56pm

re: #188 jaunte

Great Britain has no written constitution.

Scotland does have one, and that Constitution specifically mentions EU membership.
It’s obvious now that the powers behind this Brexit sham knew that fact all too well.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:02:18pm

Well, I’m off to bed. Have to be at the quarry around 7:30, which means on the road at 7, and since I want to get some breakfast, up early to eat.

I can’t complain about a 30 minute drive, people drive down on weekends from St. Louis, Louisville, (3-4 hour drives) since it’s such a good place to dive.

Have fun, be good, and don’t eat the sushi, it’s for the cats.

RBS

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:06:08pm

re: #178 Timothy Watson

I was looking at statistics of market share of Internet browsers and noticed that Japan and South Korea were the only countries where Internet Explorer was in the lead. Curious as to why, I went to Google and found this interesting article about South Korea from a couple years ago:

japantimes.co.jp

China has something similar for online banking, which works best with IE. Not Edge. Not Opera. Not Firefox. Not Safari. Maybe Chrome. My old bank required a USB dongle and a security certificate. My new bank is a little more 21st century with a tiny keypad that acts like Google Authenticator, but I still have to use IE,

China’s excuse is the huge number of bootleg Windows installations. Developers wrote these apps for the dominant browser — IE. Theoretically, other browsers should work, too, but not the way these apps are coded.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:12:56pm

Fuck this tangerine shitweasel fuckpoppet and all the Trumporrhoids==>

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:15:22pm

re: #220 The Vicious Babushka

Fuck this tangerine shitweasel fuckpoppet and all the Trumporrhoids==>

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The law of the land he talks about is a misdemeanor.

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TK-421  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:15:33pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:19:12pm

re: #220 The Vicious Babushka

lol

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:27:39pm

LOLWUT

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gocart mozart  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:32:36pm

re: #220 The Vicious Babushka

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:32:49pm

re: #225 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWUT

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You know, I just realized the hilariousness of someone complaining about too many Puerto Ricans in the country. CAnnot believe I missed it earlier but in my defense, I was too hooked on the part where she agrees that black people have to stop killing white people and raping white women and to stop having so many kids. He really is a pathetic shtiweasel.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:33:45pm

re: #226 gocart mozart

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As you probably already know, an Oklahoma legislature did in fact say we need a “Final Solution” about the Muslim “problem.” Then again Trump has also RTed “America First” without any sense of irony.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:38:56pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:42:09pm

OMG!! Follow this twitter thread. It’s Jade Helm II Electric UN Boogaloo. Wake UP SHEEPLE!!!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:45:06pm

re: #230 gocart mozart

OMG!! Follow this twitter thread. It’s Jade Helm II Electric UN Boogaloo. Wake UP SHEEPLE!!!

[Embedded content]

THE UN IS IN KENTUCKY AND THEY’RE GOING TO REPLACE OUR GUNS WITH MUSLIMS

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gocart mozart  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:46:18pm

Do any of you lizards remember the big 2011 Russian invasion of the U.S.?

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:46:42pm

re: #230 gocart mozart

I tried a Google image search on that picture and it returned no results.
THEY’RE SUPRESSING THE TRUTH!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:47:09pm

re: #232 gocart mozart

Do any of you lizards remember the big 2011 Russian invasion of the U.S.?

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I thought that would make them happy. Trump loves Putin and I thought Putin was a noble Christian warrior unlike Muslim Obama.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:47:22pm

re: #230 gocart mozart

OMG!! Follow this twitter thread. It’s Jade Helm II Electric UN Boogaloo. Wake UP SHEEPLE!!!

[Embedded content]

Wow, you weren’t kidding. They’re all certifiable.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:48:44pm

re: #229 goddamnedfrank

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I’ve watched this & the 4 dogs probably 20 times. Easily amused this eve.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:49:21pm

re: #236 Stanley Sea

I’ve watched probably this & the 4 dogs probably 20 times. Easily amused this eve.

How’s chica?

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:49:39pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:49:40pm

re: #233 jaunte

Hah! I did too. You might have to search on the Dark Net.

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stpaulbear  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:49:58pm

re: #229 goddamnedfrank

Forklift Fail

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:50:26pm

re: #231 HappyWarrior

THE UN IS IN KENTUCKY AND THEY’RE GOING TO REPLACE OUR GUNS WITH MUSLIMS

heh….we’re sneaky that way here in the Backwoods.

MWUAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:51:15pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:52:47pm

re: #230 gocart mozart

OMG!! Follow this twitter thread. It’s Jade Helm II Electric UN Boogaloo. Wake UP SHEEPLE!!!

[Embedded content]

heh…

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Stanley Sea  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:54:12pm

re: #237 CuriousLurker

How’s chica?

She is wonderful. Been chewing wires though. I finally broke down & did the oil & cayenne treatment. She’s insane overnight.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:54:33pm

re: #243 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…

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WOLVERINESSSSSS!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:55:30pm

oh lookie….

My shocked face…where is mah shocked face when I need it???!!!???

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CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:55:57pm

re: #244 Stanley Sea

She is wonderful. Been chewing wires though. I finally broke down & did the oil & cayenne treatment. She’s insane overnight.

So is it working to keep her from chewing the wires?

Really happy to know you guys have bonded and she’s learning to trust you.

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gocart mozart  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:56:59pm

A reasonable explanation?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:57:05pm

HEAR IS HOWE OBAMA WILL DECLAIR TEH MARSHILL LAWS!!!!!!!!!

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:57:39pm
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Great White Snark  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:57:40pm

re: #244 Stanley Sea

They need so much play time when young.

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Jay C  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:58:05pm

re: #242 teleskiguy

OK, gotta ask: what is this happy little critter? An otter?

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Stanley Sea  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:59:25pm

re: #247 CuriousLurker

So is it working to keep her from chewing the wires?

Really happy to know you guys have bonded and she’s learning to trust you.

I just did it tonight. The small wire from my cable box is really chewed up. I saw her hanging by it & decided to check.

She’s a sweet little pita. But yes, we’re buddies now.

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2016 • 8:59:27pm

re: #252 Jay C

OK, gotta ask: what is this happy little critter? An otter?

Yes.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:00:33pm

re: #246 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hah. Pam Geller picked up an image of Brazilian police for that.

Members of the The Batalhao de Operacoes Policias Especias. (CREDIT: The Associated Press)
tactical-life.com

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TK-421  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:00:39pm

I am now off work for a week. Yay.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:00:54pm

re: #246 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh lookie….

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My shocked face…where is mah shocked face when I need it???!!!???

Here, you can borrow mine:

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:01:26pm

And no AP credit.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:02:55pm

re: #255 jaunte

Hah. Pam Geller picked up an image of Brazilian police for that.

Embedded Image

Members of the The Batalhao de Operacoes Policias Especias. (CREDIT: The Associated Press)
tactical-life.com

Credit to that well known website Noisy.

That lady is crazy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:03:00pm

re: #258 jaunte

And no AP credit.

well, DUH!!!
Never identify the source of where you steal things and then misrepresent them!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:03:18pm

re: #252 Jay C

It’s definitely an otter, but which variant is in question-looks like a European Otter as they are the most common species and has a distinct coloration that this guy has.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:04:19pm

re: #232 gocart mozart

I remember… Vaguely…

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CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:04:26pm

re: #255 jaunte

I don’t…. How do people believe this nonsense? The scariest part is that they can get driver licenses, buy guns, vote and they’re totally disconnected from reality… *shudder*

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:04:35pm

re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth

well, DUH!!!
Never identify the source of where you steal things and then misrepresent them!

Key to successful internet grifting. Hi Pam.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:05:11pm

re: #259 Stanley Sea

Credit to that well known website Noisy.

That lady is crazy.

Never heard of that one. Not even gonna look.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:05:55pm

re: #155 Shiplord Kirel

Related to that, I have a curiosity question.

How is the Russian Orthodox Church in the US and the Main Russian Orthodox chruch connected?

For example to Russian funds come to the Churches here and vice versa?

Because, if they do, I have an idea.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:08:01pm

re: #174 goddamnedfrank

No problem from me here to do that.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:08:18pm

re: #232 gocart mozart

Do any of you lizards remember the big 2011 Russian invasion of the U.S.?

[Embedded content]

re: #262 GlutenFreeJesus

I remember… Vaguely…

[Embedded content]

Hahahahahahahahaha… Okay, I can’t take any more bad crazy. I’m gonna go read a book or watch a movie, but I’ll be sure to let y’all know if I see any UN vehicles or troops here in Jersey.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:08:59pm

re: #265 CuriousLurker

Never heard of that one. Not even gonna look.

I googled it, just saw stories about noisy neighbors. It might be one of her readers she’s crediting. Fuck who knows. She’s crazy.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:09:45pm

re: #181 goddamnedfrank

When Scotland becomes Independent, they should get Doctor Who.

Scotland has more of the spirit of what Doctor Who is about than England and Wales.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:11:54pm

re: #261 Eric The Fruit Bat

It’s definitely an otter, but which variant is in question-looks like a European Otter as they are the most common species and has a distinct coloration that this guy has.

More important, is it laden or unladen with a coconut?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:13:33pm

re: #271 Backwoods_Sleuth

It could also be an Asian small-clawed otter as this guy didn’t look all that big.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:13:45pm

re: #216 goddamnedfrank

Queen could in theory fuck this whole process up.

I think she could decline to Royal Assent, and some other things. However, the last time this was done was 308 years ago, by Queen Anne (Who I am related to through the larger Stewart family).

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Joe Bacon  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:22:08pm

re: #230 gocart mozart

OMG!! Follow this twitter thread. It’s Jade Helm II Electric UN Boogaloo. Wake UP SHEEPLE!!!

[Embedded content]

These people are beyond insane!

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darthstar  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:24:27pm

Dolores Park in San Francisco today (from a friend’s facebook post)…It was warm. I’m surprised nobody is naked…though there is the mandatory guy in a Speedo there in the center….

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:29:29pm

re: #273 Ziggy_TARDIS

Queen could in theory fuck this whole process up.

I think she could decline to Royal Assent, and some other things. However, the last time this was done was 308 years ago, by Queen Anne (Who I am related to through the larger Stewart family).

Interesting, I wondered about that. Since the people most likely to have backed Brexit are also most likely to be staunch monarchists (old white people) it would definitely be a gamble for her to void the bill. On the other hand it could cement the Royal Family’s popularity with younger generations for decades to come, demonstrating the real world safety fuse they represent on populist insanity. Risky either way but it might be the smartest play, because if she does nothing the UK is almost certain to lose Scotland before long. Good odds that Scotland goes independent anyway, but she might earn a decisive amount of goodwill there by taking a stand in support of how they voted. Especially if she words her statement right and makes it clear that she’s withholding assent because such a monumental change shouldn’t take place when every single region within an entire country in the Kingdom voted against it. Same thing with Northern Ireland, she can make the case that Brexit’s trigger was set ridiculously low and that old white Englishmen no longer get to decide matters of such importance for other members of the nation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:29:41pm
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majii  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:30:57pm

re: #263 CuriousLurker

I taught high school geography for over 25 years, but I am not surprised that millions of Americans don’t know there’s a state of GA in the U.S. and a nation named GA on the other side of the world. I taught in a small “conservative” town in Middle GA. One day I mentioned something about Lativa and Estonia. Several of my students swore there were no countries anywhere in the world with these names, so I Googled it on my computer and showed the nations to them. They were very surprised. This showed me that many kids don’t know certain things because their parents don’t know them. I recalled teaching a unit in civics on the three branches of government, making the point that the constitution grants only Congress the power of the purse. One of my students, who admitted he and his dad listened to Rush Limbaugh everyday, came up to me one day after class and told me that even though he knew it was in the constitution, he still believed that President Obama was able to spend taxpayers’ monies whenever he chose to. I had made the specific point that any tax monies spent in the U.S. must be approved by Congress, but it made little difference to this kid. He probably still believes that this president is spending tax monies like a drunk spends money buying more drinks at a bar. This is the kind of sh*t we, as sane voters in the U.S., are having to deal with—-a situation in which some voters’ beliefs trump facts and reality.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:34:58pm

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The replies to Graham’s tweet are great.

Plus the ones that say we will see jesus sooooooooooooon!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:35:16pm

re: #278 majii

I taught high school geography for over 25 years, but I am not surprised that millions of Americans don’t know there’s a state of GA in the U.S. and a nation named GA on the other side of the world. I taught in a small “conservative” town in Middle GA. One day I mentioned something about Lativa and Estonia. Several of my students swore there were no countries anywhere in the world with these names, so I Googled it on my computer and showed the nations to them. They were very surprised. This showed me that many kids don’t know certain things because their parents don’t know them. I recalled teaching a unit in civics on the three branches of government, making the point that the constitution grants only Congress the power of the purse. One of my students, who admitted he and his dad listened to Rush Limbaugh everyday, came up to me one day after class and told me that even though he knew it was in the constitution, he still believed that President Obama was able to spend taxpayers’ monies whenever he chose to. I had made the specific point that any tax monies spent in the U.S. must be approved by Congress, but it made little difference to this kid. He probably still believes that this president is spending tax monies like a drunk spends money buying more drinks at a bar. This is the kind of sh*t we, as sane voters in the U.S., are having to deal with—-a situation in which some voters’ beliefs trump facts and reality.

Damn but I can’t say I’m surprised.

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darthstar  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:35:45pm

re: #275 darthstar

Dolores Park in San Francisco today (from a friend’s facebook post)…It was warm. I’m surprised nobody is naked…though there is the mandatory guy in a Speedo there in the center….

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Oh yeah…did you see the “FUCK TRUMP” flag?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:37:16pm

re: #279 Stanley Sea

The replies to Graham’s tweet are great.

Plus the ones that say we will see jesus sooooooooooooon!

What I love about Fundie mindsets that Graham has is that God somehow is n longer blessing us with protection because the President isn’t a homophobe but had no problem with 78 years of legalized slavery.after the Constitution was written.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:38:04pm

re: #276 goddamnedfrank

2 entire countries.

Northern Ireland said Fuck No too.

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stpaulbear  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:38:31pm

re: #278 majii

I doubt that Trump is any smarter than your student in regards to the president’s ability to spend money.

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:38:52pm

re: #282 HappyWarrior

What I love about Fundie mindsets that Graham has is that God somehow is n longer blessing us with protection because the President isn’t a homophobe but had no problem with 78 years of legalized slavery.after the Constitution was written.

Well, yeah, the Bible allows slavery.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:39:20pm

re: #284 stpaulbear

I doubt that Trump is any smarter than your student in regards to the president’s ability to spend money.

Probably dumber.

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prairiefire  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:40:50pm

RIP Attrell Cordes of PM Dawn. Beautiful artist.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:41:06pm

There’s this test we’re coming up with. We’ll fill you in on the details later.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:41:34pm

re: #285 Belafon

Well, yeah, the Bible allows slavery.

YEah true point. Franklin’s God sounds like a dick. Sounds a lot like Franklin actually.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:42:23pm

re: #288 Stanley Sea

There’s this test we’re coming up with. We’ll fill you in on the details later.

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Or will fuck me like my foreign born wives and put up with me even though I’m ugly as sin both on the outside and inside.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:42:39pm

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I wonder who the bigger bigot is in the Graham Family—Billy the Anti-Semite, Franky the Muslim hater or Anne the gay and lesbian hater?

It’s time to take these pulpit pimps off of welfare and tax the churches!

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:43:05pm

re: #288 Stanley Sea

Loyalty oaths will be commonplace with a President Trump. Along with the mass deportation of 11 million people and the outlawing of Islam. None of that is hyperbole.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:43:34pm

re: #283 Ziggy_TARDIS

2 entire countries.

Northern Ireland said Fuck No too.

I edited the comment. I agree regarding NI but Scotland is unique because every single county / region voted Remain. That should really mean something.

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:43:47pm

re: #288 Stanley Sea

There’s this test we’re coming up with. We’ll fill you in on the details later.

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Are those the values of hard work, or the value that whites should be first in line?

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Stanley Sea  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:44:20pm

This Bernie Bro I haven’t unfollowed is tweeting Cernovich like it’s truth.

What next? Furby?

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Joe Bacon  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:44:41pm

re: #292 teleskiguy

Loyalty oaths will be commonplace with a President Trump. Along with the mass deportation of 11 million people and the outlawing of Islam. None of that is hyperbole.

Begs the question—after Trump bans Islam, what religion will wind up next on the chopping block…

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:44:48pm

re: #289 HappyWarrior

YEah true point. Franklin’s God sounds like a dick. Sounds a lot like Franklin actually.

As I say about creationists: They all want God to be small enough to justify their actions.

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:45:46pm

re: #296 Joe Bacon

Begs the question—after Trump bans Islam, what religion will wind up next on the chopping block…

At some point it will be Catholicism.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:45:57pm

re: #294 Belafon

Are those the values of hard work, or the value that whites should be first in line?

Just like every other Republican, their real values stem from Ayn AS IN MINE Rand!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:46:56pm

re: #298 Belafon

At some point it will be Catholicism.

They already hate this Pope for being too compassionate towards immigrants, not being anti-gay enough, and seeing climate change as a problem. Plus most of those damn Mexicans are Catlicks. //

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:47:45pm

They’ll turn on mainline Protestants too because they’re more liberal minded as well.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:48:37pm

re: #230 gocart mozart

OMG!! Follow this twitter thread. It’s Jade Helm II Electric UN Boogaloo. Wake UP SHEEPLE!!!

[Embedded content]

The UN has been using MRAPs for over a decade. Those are nothing to worry about.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:49:08pm

re: #293 goddamnedfrank

That is correct. Not a single region there voted leave.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:50:00pm

re: #303 Ziggy_TARDIS

That is correct. Not a single region there voted leave.

Right. There’s definitely something ot be said about that.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:51:19pm
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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:51:52pm

re: #249 The Vicious Babushka

HEAR IS HOWE OBAMA WILL DECLAIR TEH MARSHILL LAWS!!!!!!!!!

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If these weirdos would only channel their rich fantasy creations to porn, they could probably make some money.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:51:54pm

re: #288 Stanley Sea

Donald J. Trump ✔@realDonaldTrump
We only want to admit those who love our people and support our values. #AmericaFirst

donald trump has values??

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:53:14pm

re: #306 BeachDem

If these weirdos would only channel their rich fantasy creations to porn, they could probably make some money.

You mean the one where the sexy government agent comes to take their guns and another gun goes off?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:53:39pm

re: #307 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

donald trump has values??

He didn’t say his values were positive ones.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:55:16pm

re: #308 HappyWarrior

You mean the one where the sexy government agent comes to take their guns and another gun goes off?

SEXY

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:56:43pm

re: #301 HappyWarrior

They’ll turn on mainline Protestants too because they’re more liberal minded as well.

i think next up after mexicans and muslims will be “liberals”

rill amuricans will feel empowered to lecture liberal looking types on how theyre destroying america with all their “compassion” and “education”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:57:21pm

re: #309 HappyWarrior

He didn’t say his values were positive ones.

irrational numbers?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:57:37pm

re: #310 Stanley Sea

SEXY

They already have gun porn anyhow where the woman is dressed scantily and sounding a lot like Wayne LaPierre talking to an invisible liberal strawman.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 9:58:45pm

re: #311 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i think next up after mexicans and muslims will be “liberals”

rill amuricans will feel empowered to lecture liberal looking types on how theyre destroying america with all their “compassion” and “education”

I actually think you’re right about that. Trump and the right wing mindset needs scapegoats because without scapegoats, no one can realize how the ideology is only about the protecting the already powerful while fucking everyone else.

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Tigger2  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:01:08pm

re: #249 The Vicious Babushka

HEAR IS HOWE OBAMA WILL DECLAIR TEH MARSHILL LAWS!!!!!!!!!

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The stupid is deep with that one.

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KGxvi  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:02:33pm

re: #273 Ziggy_TARDIS

Queen could in theory fuck this whole process up.

I think she could decline to Royal Assent, and some other things. However, the last time this was done was 308 years ago, by Queen Anne (Who I am related to through the larger Stewart family).

May not even need the queen for this. I was reading earlier that the referendum is nonbindig. So given the outcry of “brexigret”, perhaps the next PM just says “nah, nevermind”. My guess is that the coming election will be all about the brexit

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:03:06pm

re: #243 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…

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Boy is Crazy Gun Lady in for a nasty surprise: Those UN MRAPs are proof against any 5.56x45mm or .300 Blackout gunfire, and proof against 7.62X51mm Ball rounds at ranges greater than 30 meters.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:04:42pm

marshall law

judd law has a brother?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:05:38pm

re: #318 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

marshall law

judd law has a brother?

No, no, didn’t you ever play Tekken?
Image: 10521d1312556583-marshall-law-tekken-4-wallpaper-marshall-law-wallpaper-marshall-law.jpg

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Tigger2  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:07:40pm

re: #315 Tigger2

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Just looked at that idiots feed, Blocked him.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:07:53pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:09:40pm

re: #321 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

um

I will grant that it wasn’t Mortal Kombat but it was a fun series.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:10:20pm

Checking online about those UN vehicles, I found an article from 1999 at World Nut Daily (of all places) debunking the UN invasion CT. Apparently, there’s a federal penitentiary in Bastrop, TX, that redecorates them for INS use here in the States. There are tons of fearmongering sites claiming the UN is stockpiling these vehicles in Texas, in plain sight, for a coming surprise invasion.

Texas. The first place I’d pick if I were planning an invasion of the USA. Yessiree.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:10:39pm

re: #320 Tigger2

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Where people believe anything talking head idiots like Alex Jones tell them. The sad thing is they think they aren’t sheep but they’re total sheep.

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stpaulbear  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:12:28pm

re: #323 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Texas. The first place I’d pick if I were planning an invasion of the USA. Yessiree.

Works for me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:17:23pm

re: #298 Belafon

At some point it will be Catholicism.

or Methodists.

Oh wait … he already questioned Hillary’s religious bone fides.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:18:20pm

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

And on that note, this straight guy needs rest before the Chicago Pride Parade tomorrow. Nite!

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:19:12pm

re: #296 Joe Bacon

Begs the question—after Trump bans Islam, what religion will wind up next on the chopping block…

The non-religion: atheism.

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:19:40pm

re: #328 Anymouse

The non-religion: atheism.

Hi, friend!

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:20:21pm

re: #323 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Checking online about those UN vehicles, I found an article from 1999 at World Nut Daily (of all places) debunking the UN invasion CT. Apparently, there’s a federal penitentiary in Bastrop, TX, that redecorates them for INS use here in the States. There are tons of fearmongering sites claiming the UN is stockpiling these vehicles in Texas, in plain sight, for a coming surprise invasion.

Texas. The first place I’d pick if I were planning an invasion of the USA. Yessiree.

They’ve been worrying about this since 1999.

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:22:09pm

re: #329 teleskiguy

Hi, friend!

Hi back! Shall we contemplate the commands in the first chapter of the Gospel of Nothing? (::

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:23:25pm

re: #330 jaunte

They’ve been worrying about this since 1999.

Yeah, pre-Obama. It’s been a thing since 1945, I reckon.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:26:29pm

re: #330 jaunte

They’ve been worrying about this since 1999.

This brings back memories of college 40 years ago. The John Birch college group passed out leaflets about “Operation ‘76” alleging that on July 4, 1976 President Ford (who they claimed was a KGB mole) and Vice President Rockefeller (tied in with the Council of Foreign Relations—the Bircher’s alleged “secret government”) were going to surrender to the USSR and the Kremlin would install their pal Henry Kissinger as interim Premier.

Well July 4th came and went and what did the Birchers do? OOPS, they were off by a year. Operation 77 with Trilateral Stooge Jimmy Carter surrendering to Brezhnev.

Sorta sounds like the insane Pulpit Pimps who keep telling us that JC and his Sonshine Band are coming back…and they keep moving the date when JC pulls a no show…

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MsJ  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:37:56pm

re: #276 goddamnedfrank

Interesting, I wondered about that. Since the people most likely to have backed Brexit are also most likely to be staunch monarchists (old white people) it would definitely be a gamble for her to void the bill. On the other hand it could cement the Royal Family’s popularity with younger generations for decades to come, demonstrating the real world safety fuse they represent on populist insanity. Risky either way but it might be the smartest play, because if she does nothing the UK is almost certain to lose Scotland before long. Good odds that Scotland goes independent anyway, but she might earn a decisive amount of goodwill there by taking a stand in support of how they voted. Especially if she words her statement right and makes it clear that she’s withholding assent because such a monumental change shouldn’t take place when every single region within an entire country in the Kingdom voted against it. Same thing with Northern Ireland, she can make the case that Brexit’s trigger was set ridiculously low and that old white Englishmen no longer get to decide matters of such importance for other members of the nation.

My understanding is that Phillip is quite handily racist as fuck. I’m doubting you’ll ever hear/see that kind of statement from the queen.

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BeachDem  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:38:45pm

re: #323 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Checking online about those UN vehicles, I found an article from 1999 at World Nut Daily (of all places) debunking the UN invasion CT. Apparently, there’s a federal penitentiary in Bastrop, TX, that redecorates them for INS use here in the States. There are tons of fearmongering sites claiming the UN is stockpiling these vehicles in Texas, in plain sight, for a coming surprise invasion.

Texas. The first place I’d pick if I were planning an invasion of the USA. Yessiree.

I like the alternate CT about the “Road Closed Due to Martial Law” signs that keep being mysteriously discovered during random truck stops—sometimes in WalMart trucks, sometimes just your average everyday semis. These “sightings” have been going on since at least 1999—because, of course, if the government was preparing to institute martial law, they’d for sure print up a ton of signs saying it and then transport them all over hell and back.

People are so fucking stupid.

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MsJ  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:42:24pm

re: #316 KGxvi

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:58:10pm

re: #323 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Checking online about those UN vehicles, I found an article from 1999 at World Nut Daily (of all places) debunking the UN invasion CT. Apparently, there’s a federal penitentiary in Bastrop, TX, that redecorates them for INS use here in the States. There are tons of fearmongering sites claiming the UN is stockpiling these vehicles in Texas, in plain sight, for a coming surprise invasion.

Texas. The first place I’d pick if I were planning an invasion of the USA. Yessiree.

Nice try. That’s what THEY want us to believe!

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Shimshon  Jun 25, 2016 • 10:59:48pm

re: #278 majii

I taught high school geography for over 25 years, but I am not surprised that millions of Americans don’t know there’s a state of GA in the U.S. and a nation named GA on the other side of the world. I taught in a small “conservative” town in Middle GA. One day I mentioned something about Lativa and Estonia. Several of my students swore there were no countries anywhere in the world with these names, so I Googled it on my computer and showed the nations to them. They were very surprised. This showed me that many kids don’t know certain things because their parents don’t know them. I recalled teaching a unit in civics on the three branches of government, making the point that the constitution grants only Congress the power of the purse. One of my students, who admitted he and his dad listened to Rush Limbaugh everyday, came up to me one day after class and told me that even though he knew it was in the constitution, he still believed that President Obama was able to spend taxpayers’ monies whenever he chose to. I had made the specific point that any tax monies spent in the U.S. must be approved by Congress, but it made little difference to this kid. He probably still believes that this president is spending tax monies like a drunk spends money buying more drinks at a bar. This is the kind of sh*t we, as sane voters in the U.S., are having to deal with—-a situation in which some voters’ beliefs trump facts and reality.

Thank you for your service.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jun 25, 2016 • 11:04:03pm

re: #335 BeachDem

I think it stems from insecurity. “LOOK AT US! WE’RE SO BIG AND IMPORTANT THAT THE GUBBAMINT IS GONNER TAKE US OVAR!!”

Uh no, they’ll close routes 10, 20, 30, and 40, sit back, and watch as nothing happens, and nobody cares, while Texas withers away and dies.

Fingers crossed, I may be getting out of here very soon, and not a moment too soon either.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2016 • 11:05:50pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 25, 2016 • 11:14:50pm

How long before the Rage Furby attacks this victim?

Downers Grove man accused of rape at Indiana University sentenced to probation

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 11:27:00pm

re: #338Shimshon

Thank you for your service.

I think teaching is much more important than military service. (Most of the time the military is training for a war that might never happen, teachers and professors are training those who will advance our sciences and arts and run our country, every single day). Teaching is also a much-maligned and under-appreciated profession with long hours, continual training, public speaking, customer service [both parents and teachers], &c.

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 11:32:02pm

I was reading Donald Trump’s entry at the Southern Poverty Law Center, and they give a shout out to Little Green Footballs there for a crime statistic graphic that skews statistics to claim crime by African-Americans are somehow much higher than white Americans. They also noted LGF traced the graphic to its original racist source on Twitter (and named that Twitter handle).

Good on ya, Mr. Johnson and associated commentators here that keep this place running so deadbeats like me can read it.
splcenter.org

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 25, 2016 • 11:46:36pm

re: #342 Anymouse

I think teaching is much more important than military service. (Most of the time the military is training for a war that might never happen, teachers and professors are training those who will advance our sciences and arts and run our country, every single day). Teaching is also a much-maligned and under-appreciated profession with long hours, continual training, public speaking, customer service [both parents and teachers], &c.

Thank you for your support.

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Anymouse  Jun 25, 2016 • 11:58:33pm

re: #344 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Thank you for your support.

Eh, I made a mistake up above in the last phrase in the brackets: It should read:
[both parents and students]

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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2016 • 12:00:04am

One of the best songs ever written about dogs.

Babette

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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2016 • 12:22:21am
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Shimshon  Jun 26, 2016 • 12:58:56am

re: #342 Anymouse

I think teaching is much more important than military service. (Most of the time the military is training for a war that might never happen, teachers and professors are training those who will advance our sciences and arts and run our country, every single day). Teaching is also a much-maligned and under-appreciated profession with long hours, continual training, public speaking, customer service [both parents and teachers], &c.

I agree having at least one good teacher in your schooling growing up is so important for development. You can change the lives of dozens of kids each year and who knows what they can grow up to be.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:08:00am

This album is awesome in Dolby Pro-Logic. Set the video to 1080p even though it has no actual video, it seems to improve the audio bitrate.

The Mothers of Invention - We’re Only in it for the Money - 1968 (MFSL) HD

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Anymouse  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:09:26am

re: #348 Shimshon

I agree having at least one good teacher in your schooling growing up is so important for development. You can change the lives of dozens of kids each year and who knows what they can grow up to be.

The teachers I remember most are three: Mrs. Rudd, my second-grade teacher when I attended a one-room schoolhouse in Michigan. It was immediately after the death of my father in Vietnam and I was extremely withdrawn. My mother had moved my sister and me to Michigan (her original home and where I was born) when my father deployed to The Philippines.

She did a great deal to help me overcome my overwhelming loss and reconnect with my peers, none of whom had parents in the military.

The second was my Portuguese teacher in Brazil when I was in (eleventh by US standards) grade as an exchange student. (This was not Portuguese for foreign speakers, but second-year Portuguese for native speakers. Before I went to Brazil, I did not speak Portuguese; I learned basic speech over the summer before school began.)

Her name was the very Portuguese Senhora Fujimora. She noted that no one American had ever passed her class (not because she disliked Americans, but because Portuguese is a difficult language) and that she thought I could. She worked with me throughout the year, and in the end I earned a passing grade of “C” (the lowest passing grade in the Brazilian system, and I was damn proud of that C). I passed all thirteen courses that year, which was the first time an American exchange student had done that in that school.

Though that C became the difference in my graduation between valedictorian and salutatorian (in a graduating class of seventeen), I was durn proud.

Upon return, in High School I had one Mr. Peska for US Government (civics). (I had to make up Michigan’s required 11th grade US History as a senior; I was the only senior in that class that had not failed it the previous year). Mr. Peska was a staunch conservative. I’d just spent thirteen months living in a right-wing military dictatorship, which solidified my liberal and democratic socialist leanings which I maintain to this day.

Mr. Peska noted that he had never given a straight A to a student in his class, because none ever rose to the challenge of questioning the material or writing coherently on essay questions regarding civics. I spent much of that class in sharp disagreement with some of his positions, but in the end, on the last day, he called me up to the front of the class to note to everyone that I had earned the first A he’d ever given out in his tenure as a government teacher.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:11:12am

re: #348 Shimshon

I agree having at least one good teacher in your schooling growing up is so important for development. You can change the lives of dozens of kids each year and who knows what they can grow up to be.

My former students run the gamut from actors to zoologists.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:12:57am

im voting for fuxit

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Nyet  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:16:15am

re: #242 teleskiguy

i died

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:16:51am
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Nyet  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:18:02am

re: #328 Anymouse

The non-religion: atheism.

He’s intimated as much with his attack on Hillary’s religious affiliation.

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Anymouse  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:18:19am

re: #353 Nyet

i died

Did you get better?

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Nyet  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:19:10am

re: #356 Anymouse

Did you get better?

I’m not dead! (c) Monty Python

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Dave In Austin  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:26:31am

re: #354 Ace-o-aces

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Everyone in that thread seems like they are real nice folks…

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Dave In Austin  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:27:24am

re: #357 Nyet

I’m not dead! (c) Monty Python

But what of the parrot??

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:29:13am

re: #350 Anymouse

The teachers I remember most are three: Mrs. Rudd, my second-grade teacher when I attended a one-room schoolhouse in Michigan. It was immediately after the death of my father in Vietnam and I was extremely withdrawn. My mother had moved my sister and me to Michigan (her original home and where I was born) when my father deployed to The Philippines.

She did a great deal to help me overcome my overwhelming loss and reconnect with my peers, none of whom had parents in the military.

The second was my Portuguese teacher in Brazil when I was in (eleventh by US standards) grade as an exchange student. Her name was the very Portuguese Senhora Fujimora. She noted that no one American had ever passed her class (not because she disliked Americans, but because Portuguese is a difficult language) and that she thought I could. She worked with me throughout the year, and in the end I earned a passing grade of “C” (the lowest passing grade in the Brazilian system). I passed all thirteen courses that year, which was the first time an American exchange student had done that in that school.

Upon return, in High School I had one Mr. Peska for US Government (civics). (I had to make up Michigan’s required 11th grade US History as a senior; I was the only senior in that class that had not failed it the previous year). Mr. Peska was a staunch conservative. I’d just spent thirteen months living in a right-wing military dictatorship, which solidified my liberal and democratic socialist leanings which I maintain to this day.

Mr. Peska noted that he had never given a straight A to a student in his class, because none ever rose to the challenge of questioning the material or writing coherently on essay questions regarding civics. I spent much of that class in sharp disagreement with some of his positions, but in the end, on the last day, he called me up to the front of the class to note to everyone that I had earned the first A he’d ever given out in his tenure as a government teacher.

Bem feito!

I recall having a crush on my second grade teacher, Miss Kamins. She was probably in her 20s at the time. haha

Bill S. (who is searchable on the Intertubes, so I’m truncating his name) was my AP USHistory teacher and newspaper adviser, bridge teacher, and lifelong friend. He taught us to think and analyze original sources and write decent essays about history. He’s probably the teacher who had the greatest influence on my life and professional demeanor.

Mr G was my music/chorus teacher, who took us on a tour of Europe in my sophomore year. He was demanding, but in an encouraging and supportive way. His counterpart, Mr D, was the band and jazz band teacher, and a professional musician (drummer). He knew a lot of jazz pros, and while I was still in elementary school arranged for Marian McPartland to come to our school to play piano while Mr D backed her up on drums.
(Mr G and Mr D is what everyone called them.)

Though she was a great (and young) English teacher, Miss B. was fired for having an affair with one of the seniors in the drama club. She piqued my interest in literature. She piqued something else in that senior, it seems.

In college, David Wilkinson was my freshman physics instructor. He and his assistant arranged some of craziest demos each week. This was a guy known internationally as an astrophysicist, and here he was doing goofy stuff for freshmen.

I had two Spanish teacher in college, Alban Forcione (a Cervantes scholar) and Prof. Alvarez, whose door was decorated with an Old El Paso label. Brilliant men, but affable and approachable.

John Fleming, who was so good a professor I wished I had studied medieval literature just so I could have him as an advisor. He would recite Canterbury Tales in Middle English, and Inferno in medieval Italian, from memory!

Stephen Miller, who I believe is still teaching in KY, was by far the best teacher training prof I had. His command of science and stats helped me understand the BS behind IQ tests and genetics.

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Anymouse  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:34:47am

re: #360 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Bem feito!

I recall having a crush on my second grade teacher, Miss Kamins. She was probably in her 20s at the time. haha

Bill S. (who is searchable on the Intertubes, so I’m truncating his name) was my AP USHistory teacher and newspaper adviser, bridge teacher, and lifelong friend. He taught us to think and analyze original sources and write decent essays about history. He’s probably the teacher who had the greatest influence on my life and professional demeanor.

Mr G was my music/chorus teacher, who took us on a tour of Europe in my sophomore year. He was demanding, but in an encouraging and supportive way. His counterpart, Mr D, was the band and jazz band teacher, and a professional musician (drummer). He knew a lot of jazz pros, and while I was still in elementary school arranged for Marian McPartland to come to our school to play piano while Mr D backed her up on drums.
(Mr G and Mr D is what everyone called them.)

Though she was a great (and young) English teacher, Miss B. was fired for having an affair with one of the seniors in the drama club. She piqued my interest in literature. She piqued something else in that senior, it seems.

In college, David Wilkinson was my freshman physics instructor. He and his assistant arranged some of craziest demos each week. This was a guy known internationally as an astrophysicist, and here he was doing goofy stuff for freshmen.

I had two Spanish teacher in college, Alban Forcione (a Cervantes scholar) and Prof. Alvarez, whose door was decorated with an Old El Paso label. Brilliant men, but affable and approachable.

John Fleming, who was so good a professor I wished I had studied medieval literature just so I could have him as an advisor. He would recite Canterbury Tales in Middle English, and Inferno in medieval Italian, from memory!

Stephen Miller, who I believe is still teaching in KY, was by far the best teacher training prof I had. His command of science and stats helped me understand the BS behind IQ tests and genetics.

I had a crush on my second grade teacher as well. She was not married so I didn’t see the problem at the time. (The classroom generally made fun of that.) It took me some time to figure out why she did not reciprocate… . (::

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:42:37am

re: #361 Anymouse

I had a crush on my second grade teacher as well. She was not married so I didn’t see the problem at the time. (The classroom generally made fun of that.) It took me some time to figure out why she did not reciprocate… . (::

I sympathize. My Miss K is probably in her 70s by now, and I assume married long ago.

Fast forward to college, and I really wanted to date my Portuguese professor, Marta P., but she was (a) 10 years older than I and (b) in a relationship with another professor. So that was a non-starter, but I very much enjoyed those two terms studying with her.

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Anymouse  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:57:02am

re: #362 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I sympathize. My Miss K is probably in her 70s by now, and I assume married long ago.

Fast forward to college, and I really wanted to date my Portuguese professor, Marta P., but she was (a) 10 years older than I and (b) in a relationship with another professor. So that was a non-starter, but I very much enjoyed those two terms studying with her.

I still maintain a letter relationship with the middle daughter of the family I stayed with in Brazil, meu irmã Sandra (the family had five total children, all girls; they were immigrants to Brazil from Lebanon after the 1967 Israeli-Arab war that forced them from their homes). She is only one week older in age than me, and during my year we tended to do a lot of teenage sort of hell raising in Birigüi (in the west part of São Paulo state). She is now married with children, and a dentist teaching at the University of Araçatuba (and working with the United Nations).

Had we not been an exchange family, I could have seen us dating (we had a crush on each other that just about every adult in town tried to squelch). She did quite a bit better than I did professionally and educationally. (Her family is also considerably wealthier than mine, as they own a vast coffee plantation outside of the city.) I sometimes felt overwhelmed by the opulence in the home (and the three domestic workers, a maid, a cook, and a gardener).

The only reason I was able to go at all was two-fold: a) I applied to the programme Rotary International sponsors; they would only sponsor one person from my state. It involved a lot of essays on various contemporary topics in government and business and a few public speaking engagements. My mother let me enter knowing she couldn’t pay if I was selected, to teach me about disappointment, since she knew my odds were slim.

b) When I became Rotary’s slectee, she was stuck with several thousands of dollars of plane tickets to buy. We had no money (she didn’t tell me at the time). A few weeks before I was scheduled to depart, by an amazing stroke of luck she won $5,000 in the Michigan Lottery, which paid for the tickets. She never told me about that until several years later.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:09:18am

Speaking of the power of teachers, here’s how Sweden is dealing with 70,000 refugee kids.
theguardian.com

And it has bipartisan support! Imagine what the USA could do if both parties worked together.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:10:50am

re: #363 Anymouse

I still maintain a letter relationship with the middle daughter of the family I stayed with in Brazil, meu irmã Sandra (the family had five total children, all girls; they were immigrants to Brazil from Lebanon after the 1967 Israeli-Arab war that forced them from their homes). She is only one week older in age than me, and during my year we tended to do a lot of teenage sort of hell raising in Birigüi (in the west part of São Paulo state). She is now married with children, and a dentist teaching at the University of Araçatuba (and working with the United Nations).

Had we not been an exchange family, I could have seen us dating (we had a crush on each other that just about every adult in town tried to squelch). She did quite a bit better than I did professionally and educationally. (Her family is also considerably wealthier than mine, as they own a vast coffee plantation outside of the city.) I sometimes felt overwhelmed by the opulence in the home (and the three domestic workers, a maid, a cook, and a gardener).

The only reason I was able to go at all was two-fold: a) I applied to the programme Rotary International sponsors; they would only sponsor one person from my state. It involved a lot of essays on various contemporary topics in government and business and a few public speaking engagements. My mother let me enter knowing she couldn’t pay if I was selected, to teach me about disappointment, since she knew my odds were slim.

b) When I became Rotary’s slectee, she was stuck with several thousands of dollars of plane tickets to buy. We had no money (she didn’t tell me at the time). A few weeks before I was scheduled to depart, by an amazing stroke of luck she won $5,000 in the Michigan Lottery, which paid for the tickets. She never told me about that until several years later.

Good thing, too. It’s a long way to walk!

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Anymouse  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:31:33am

re: #365 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Good thing, too. It’s a long way to walk!

Go by canoe: down the Maple River to the Grand River to the Great Lakes. Out the St. Lawrence Seaway to the ocean; paddle down to the Rio Tiete, the up the river to the town were I stayed.

By the way, I learned the hard way not to check my luggage all the way through (Lansing to Detroit to La Guardia to JFK [via helicopter] to Rio de Janeiro to São Paulo to Araçatuba. My luggage went sideways at La Guardia and wound up in Los Angeles. It took three weeks for Pan Am to track it down.)

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Nyet  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:53:26am

3,038,287 signatures

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:25:59am

re: #340 goddamnedfrank

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Is an Indian burial ground involved?

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Ming5000  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:37:51am

re: #171 Reality Based Steve

Still not as large a gap as Jan 2013. I want a larger gap. A maw. A gaping maw.

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Teukka  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:44:44am

re: #367 Nyet

3,038,287 signatures

I’m hearing chatter that the petition might be voided. God I hope this isn’t uncle Boris trying to pull a fast one :(

Investigating, keeping my ear to the ground.

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Nyet  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:46:07am

3,100,098 signatures

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Nyet  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:48:31am

Boris Johnson praises Vladimir Putin’s ‘ruthless clarity’ in retaking Palmyra

Johnson: Let’s deal with the Devil: we should work with Vladimir Putin and Bashar al-Assad in Syria

Boris Johnson accuses Remain campaign of ‘smears’ after being branded a ‘Putin apologist’

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Teukka  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:51:15am

re: #372 Nyet

Boris Johnson praises Vladimir Putin’s ‘ruthless clarity’ in retaking Palmyra

Johnson: Let’s deal with the Devil: we should work with Vladimir Putin and Bashar al-Assad in Syria

Boris Johnson accuses Remain campaign of ‘smears’ after being branded a ‘Putin apologist’

He seems nice///

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Ming5000  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:28:37am

Just learned a new word out of Australia while watching YouTube: Bogan
Videos such as:
Black kid confronts Bogan Dad
Bogan gets what he deserves outside the Magistrate’s Court

Wiki

The term bogan (/ˈboʊɡən/) is an Australian and New Zealand slang word used to describe a person of lower working-class background, whose speech, clothing, attitude and behaviour exemplify values and behaviour considered unrefined or unsophisticated.

There is a dispute about the article because the term is considered by some to be a pejorative. But, from the Wiki article:

In a 2011 study, linguistics students at the University of Auckland found that the term was likely to be thought of as a good thing by people under the age of 30, compared with over 30’s who generally felt it was more of a negative term

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:31:28am

First time I remember ever seeing Boris Johnson was on an episode of Top Gear years ago, back when he was mayor of London. And even then, he was an insufferable ass. And bear in mind that the man interviewing him was Jeremy Clarkson, a man whose reputation as an asshole is legendary.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:57:53am

Thug police are still thugs:

Baltimore’s police chief and City Council president are criticizing the city’s police union for online posts that appeared to celebrate an officer’s acquittal in the death of a 25-year-old black man.

A judge acquitted Officer Caesar Goodson of all charges Thursday. Goodson drove the van in which Freddie Gray’s neck was broken. Goodson was one of six officers charged in Gray’s 2015 death.

The Baltimore Sun (tinyurl.com ) reports the police union sent a tweet Friday night with a photo of actor Leonardo DiCaprio making a toast, with text reading, “Here’s to the Baltimore 6 defense team.” Another tweet referred to State’s Attorney Marilyn Mosby as “the wolf that lurks.” The tweets have been deleted.

Police Chief Kevin Davis and Council president Jack Young called the tweets insensitive and inappropriate.

wtop.com

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:04:37am

re: #376 Timothy Watson

Thug police are still thugs:

wtop.com

Police unions in this country are the sort of crooked thugs that the wingnuts always accuse unions of being.

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Nyet  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:26:08am

Realistically can reach 4M today.

3,200,267 signatures

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:27:46am

re: #378 Nyet

Realistically can reach 4M today.

3,200,267 signatures

Are they unique signatures? IOW, the same person can’t sign more than once?

Talk about buyer’s remorse.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:29:39am
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darthstar  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:39:52am
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Nyet  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:47:06am

re: #379 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Are they unique signatures? IOW, the same person can’t sign more than once?

Talk about buyer’s remorse.

I suppose some will be fake, but it doesn’t matter at that scale.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:47:15am

re: #213 Bass Reeves

I agree, humans have a host of conflicting motivations, and economics is not always the primary. In this case, GB just kicked themselves in the nards.

I dunno, am I missing something? Is there a single legitimate economic benefit that the UK receives from leaving the EU, since all of the ones in the actual campaign were found to be utter bollocks?

I woke up still thinking about it and for every example I can think of to support what I thought I was trying to say I can think of as many or more counter examples. I’m going to shut my mouth and try to learn something today. Certainly this was—as one gif illustrated—a self-punch in the face.

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Nyet  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:48:00am

re: #379 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Talk about buyer’s remorse.

I doubt there are a lot of buyers there.

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Nyet  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:51:36am

re: #383 Barefoot Grin

Some voted to leave because they don’t like the EU, some because of racism, some because of the alleged economic benefits (incl. the $350 m lie), some because of other factors, some because of the combination of above factors. We don’t have the stats. I don’t know why people are unhappy with multicausal thinking.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:57:11am
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Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:59:21am

re: #384 Nyet

I doubt there are a lot of buyers there.

Is there any indication of a real-world result of the petition? Without a forcing mechanism, even 15 million regrets would just be a chorus of the damned.

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Nyet  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:02:13am

re: #387 Decatur Deb

Is there any indication of a real-world result of the petition? Without a forcing mechanism, even 15 million regrets would just be a chorus of the damned.

The only thing that is certain (if the petition is not voided on a technicality - app. it was created by a Leave supporter) is that it will be debated.

Less formally, it can psychologically help MPs to vote against.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:05:14am

re: #388 Nyet

The only thing that is certain (if the petition is not voided on a technicality - app. it was created by a Leave supporter) is that it will be debated.

Less formally, it can psychologically help MPs to vote against.

To have much persuasive effect, then, it would need to be significantly larger than the referendum “Leave” vote. Not much recourse from that route.

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Nyet  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:07:57am

re: #389 Decatur Deb

To have much persuasive effect, then, it would need to be significantly larger than the referendum “Leave” vote. Not much recourse from that route.

On the assumption of full neutrality. Most MPs however are against brexit.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:09:06am

re: #389 Decatur Deb

To have much persuasive effect, then, it would need to be significantly larger than the referendum “Leave” vote. Not much recourse from that route.

All it really needs to do is provide cover. And that could be at any level an individual MP decides it needs to be.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:09:45am

re: #390 Nyet

On the assumption of full neutrality. Most MPs however are against brexit.

Easy-peasy in that case. All they have to do is act courageously in the real interests of an ungrateful electorate.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:11:30am
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:13:11am

For those who are interested check out the currency rates near the bottom. The Euro is in negative territory everything else is positive. kitco.com

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Nyet  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:13:16am

re: #392 Decatur Deb

Easy-peasy in that case. All they have to do is act courageously in the real interests of an ungrateful electorate.

They have to juggle three ton-weights at once:

1. The catastrophic consequences of the brexit.

2. Their electoral future in Leave-heavy regions.

3. In case they understand 1 and are ready to sacrifice 2, the danger of losing specifically to UKIP.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:13:52am

re: #393 darthstar

re: #393 darthstar

They are already both praising Brexit and blaming Obama for the fiasco,

Thanks, Obama.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:16:16am

It’s a dead heat. 61-64

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jeffreyw  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:16:42am

Imgur
Good morning!

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Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:19:51am

re: #397 darthstar

It’s a dead heat. 61-64

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It’s the “Not qualified, but voting for him anyway” vote that worries me.

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Nyet  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:21:02am

The guy who started the petition is a rabid leaver. But also:

Aside from campaigning for the English Democrats, Mr Healey is a committed campaigner for disabled people’s rights after learning he was suffering from Aspergers Syndrome, a form of autism, while studying.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:21:50am

re: #399 Decatur Deb

It’s the “Not qualified, but voting for him anyway” vote that worries me.

Not worried about those. More worried about the “My vote doesn’t matter because the election is rigged anyway” votes.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:23:15am

re: #401 darthstar

Not worried about those. More worried about the “My vote doesn’t matter because the election is rigged anyway” votes.

And then there’s this:

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Nyet  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:24:16am

re: #402 darthstar

lololol

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:24:19am

re: #401 darthstar

Not worried about those. More worried about the “My vote doesn’t matter because the election is rigged anyway” votes.

Or “my vote has no real-world consequences, because the pollsters have said who will win already.”

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:25:27am

Went and saw Independence Day 2 yesterday. Don’t waste your money. There is an artistic campy, and there is just plain old shitty campy. I thought the President in the movie sounded like Hillary.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:29:12am

re: #400 Nyet

The guy who started the petition is a rabid leaver. But also:

Well speaking as someone with AS, part of our condition is not having much empathy for other people. It’s certainly possible that Healey does a lot of genuine good for disabled people but has little empathy to immigrants in his country. You know though, I’ve been thinking about racial and class privilege a lot lately and know that as difficult as things can be for me, it would be a lot more so if I had Asperger’s and weren’t from a well off family.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:29:15am

re: #405 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Went and saw Independence Day 2 yesterday. Don’t waste your money. There is an artistic campy, and there is just plain old shitty campy. I thought the President in the movie sounded like Hillary.

I saw a behind the scenes vid at the BBC website. I was not impressed and will wait till it comes out on DVD or Netflix or whatever.

Brent Spiner has not aged well. Jeff Goldblum and Bill Pullman have weathered the years better.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:29:20am

re: #403 Nyet

lololol

I know…it’s all speculation. Gotta do something to keep people interested in the race. Clicks=$

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Timothy Watson  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:31:06am

re: #405 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Went and saw Independence Day 2 yesterday. Don’t waste your money. There is an artistic campy, and there is just plain old shitty campy. I thought the President in the movie sounded like Hillary.

Roland Emmerich is the Michael Bay of science fiction.

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Bass Reeves  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:31:11am

re: #302 Dark_Falcon

Brother…who exactly in this thread do you think is worried about Obama allowing the UN to initiate martial law under Walmart?

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Nyet  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:33:52am

re: #408 darthstar

I know…it’s all speculation. Gotta do something to keep people interested in the race. Clicks=$

I just found the idea funny.

If true, just means more money in a short while.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:35:47am

re: #411 Nyet

I just found the idea funny.

If true, just means more money in a short while.

The GOP has to decide whether it is in their interest to alienate Trump votersby dumping him or to alienate other constituency for downticket races by keeping him…either way they are fucked.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:36:44am

re: #409 Timothy Watson

Roland Emmerich is the Michael Bay of science fiction.

The preview lost me when the aliens decimate yet another major city. Seriously, is this what passes for drama in the movies now — complete and total destruction of cities containing millions of people?

“We are superpowerful, advanced aliens from a distant planet. To show you how superpowerful and advanced we are, we will wreck your cities, or at least provoke your defenders to join us in wrecking those cities.

“Thanks for playing.”

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Nyet  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:37:36am

bbc.com

The House of Commons petitions committee has said it is investigating allegations of fraud in connection with a petition calling for a second EU referendum.

Babies.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:41:32am

re: #413 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

They aren’t just aliens. They are republican aliens.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:41:44am

re: #413 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The preview lost me when the aliens decimate yet another major city. Seriously, is this what passes for drama in the movies now — complete and total destruction of cities containing millions of people?

“We are superpowerful, advanced aliens from a distant planet. To show you how superpowerful and advanced we are, we will wreck your cities, or at least provoke your defenders to join us in wrecking those cities.

“Thanks for playing.”

Oh, that’s nothing…..Emmerich’s 2012 had a death toll that was in the billions. Seriously; something like 99.9% of humanity was wiped out (offscreen, to be sure).

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:42:26am

re: #416 Dr Lizardo

Oh, that’s nothing…..Emmerich’s 2012 had a death toll that was in the billions. Seriously; something like 99.9% of humanity was wiped out (offscreen, to be sure).

Isn’t that like the same ending as Atlas Shrugged?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:43:39am

re: #417 The Vicious Babushka

Isn’t that like the same ending as Atlas Shrugged?

The Earth cleansing itself of parasites…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:44:31am

re: #415 GlutenFreeJesus

They aren’t just aliens. They are republican aliens.

The most terrifying of all.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:44:39am

re: #417 The Vicious Babushka

Isn’t that like the same ending as Atlas Shrugged?

Heh. I went and saw 2012 when it came out…..I was left thinking, “Holy crap, this movie is Irwin Allen’s wet dream come to life! If only he’d been around to see it!”

Hell, if I’d directed 2012, I would’ve dedicated the film to him. It was an Irwin Allen disaster flick on steroids, smoking meth.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:45:08am

Saw The Free State of Jones the other day. It was particularly interesting to see it with our good friend, who was born and raised there. Her description of the “mixed” attitudes of the Mississippians to the story is born out by the academic writers cited in Wiki.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:46:05am

Anyhow I enjoyed the first ID back in ‘96 but I also turned 9 that summer. NO real desire to see this. Really want to see Free State of Jones and Anthropoid.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:47:13am

It seems we finally have an explanation for Trump’s tiny hands.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:49:40am

re: #423 darthstar

Has somebody finally taught him how to read “2 Corinthians”?

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Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:50:41am

re: #422 HappyWarrior

Anyhow I enjoyed the first ID back in ‘96 but I also turned 9 that summer. NO real desire to see this. Really want to see Free State of Jones and Anthropoid.

Trigger warning for all—the opening scenes of the Battle of Corinth have a lot in common with the D-Day scenes in Saving Private Ryan. Other than that, the film owes a lot to the techniques used by Ken Burns in Civil War. There was very little that isn’t documented somewhere, allowing for re-imagined dramatic dialogue.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:51:37am
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darthstar  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:52:58am

re: #424 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think he fired both of his Corinthians.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:54:04am

re: #416 Dr Lizardo

Oh, that’s nothing…..Emmerich’s 2012 had a death toll that was in the billions. Seriously; something like 99.9% of humanity was wiped out (offscreen, to be sure).

Jeez. I saw that one in the theaters here in China. Some students asked me if that could really happen. :-P

Movie had so many plot holes and defective science that I just watched it for the special effects.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:54:13am

re: #427 darthstar

I think he fired both of his Corinthians.

sent them back to the leatherworks

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:54:27am

re: #425 Decatur Deb

Trigger warning for all—the opening scenes of the Battle of Corinth have a lot in common with the D-Day scenes in Saving Private Ryan. Other than that, the film owes a lot to the techniques used by Ken Burns in Civil War. There was very little that isn’t documented somewhere, allowing for re-imagined dramatic dialogue.

Good to know. I just remember hearing about the premise and it sounded interesting. Plus I like McConaughey.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:54:41am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:54:58am

re: #428 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Jeez. I saw that one in the theaters here in China. Some students asked me if that could really happen. :-P

Movie had so many plot holes and defective science that I just watched it for the special effects.

Comment on the first ID: “They spent so much money on special effects that they did not have much left over for plot and actors!”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:56:25am

re: #427 darthstar

I think he fired both of his Corinthians.

They were nasty. ///

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:58:20am

re: #433 HappyWarrior

They were nasty. ///

But they had such big hands.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:58:58am

Don’t know if this has made the rounds here yet…but there have been some lovely descriptions of Trump coming from Scotland.

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Archangelus  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:59:01am

re: #409 Timothy Watson

Roland Emmerich is the Michael Bay of science fiction.

I’m no big fan of Emmerich, but i’m inclined to agree with these meticulously researched statistics… /

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:59:07am

re: #434 I Would Prefer Not To

But they had such big hands.

That’s why he fired them. He also likes Corinthians that don’t get captured.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:59:10am

re: #430 HappyWarrior

Good to know. I just remember hearing about the premise and it sounded interesting. Plus I like McConaughey.

He carries it very well, since there are very few scenes that aren’t focussed on him. His dialogue sounds a bit “modern”, but the record shows Newt Knight really did break a lot of ground. If anything, the movie skips over some of Knight’s more radical actions. The best thing might be that it doesn’t stop at the end of the war, but goes well into Reconstruction.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:00:12am

re: #435 darthstar

If you haven’t already, watch Trainspotting. Currently on Netflix.

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Nyet  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:00:42am

re: #426 darthstar

2014. Fuck. Time flies.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:00:45am

re: #436 Archangelus

I’m no big fan of Emmerich, but i’m inclined to agree with these meticulously researched statistics…

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Neither holds a candle to the animate pile of shite that is Uwe Boll.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:00:59am

re: #428 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Jeez. I saw that one in the theaters here in China. Some students asked me if that could really happen. :-P

Movie had so many plot holes and defective science that I just watched it for the special effects.

The whole film was pretty much just FX eye-candy. But I have to agree with Roger Ebert, who wrote:

It’s not so much that the Earth is destroyed, but that it’s done so thoroughly. “2012,” the mother of all disaster movies (and the father, and the extended family) spends half an hour on ominous set-up scenes (scientists warn, strange events occur, prophets rant and of course a family is introduced) and then unleashes two hours of cataclysmic special events hammering the Earth relentlessly.

This is fun. “2012” delivers what it promises, and since no sentient being will buy a ticket expecting anything else, it will be, for its audiences, one of the most satisfactory films of the year. It even has real actors in it. Like all the best disaster movies, it’s funniest at its most hysterical. You think you’ve seen end-of-the-world movies? This one ends the world, stomps on it, grinds it up and spits it out.

Heh. He gave it 3.5 out of 4 stars.

rogerebert.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:01:23am

re: #438 Decatur Deb

He carries it very well, since there are very few scenes that aren’t focussed on him. His dialogue sounds a bit “modern”, but the record shows Newt Knight really did break a lot of ground. If anything, the movie skips over some of Knight’s more radical actions. The best thing might be that it doesn’t stop at the end of the war, but goes well into Reconstruction.

Oh, I’m glad they go into Reconstruction. But yeah some of my favorite type of movies are historical ones that focus on things that don’t get much attenion in the history books. I’d honestly love to see a minseries on the Spanish Civil War.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:02:28am

re: #432 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Comment on the first ID: “They spent so much money on special effects that they did not have much left over for plot and actors!”

Independence Day relied that oldest of plot devices — a single ops center that could cripple the enemy if we blow it up — with the new plot device of “infect their alien computers with a virus that I just created now on my MacBook.”

But it was fun to watch. Once or twice. Unfortunately, my ex loved the film and wanted to watch it over and over again once it came out on VHS.

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Archangelus  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:02:46am

re: #441 Targetpractice

Neither holds a candle to the animate pile of shite that is Uwe Boll.

Agreed wholeheartedly.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:04:06am

The guy who directs Adam Sandler’s movies is pretty bad too but then again I imagine it’s because of the shit he’s given to direct.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:04:59am

re: #430 HappyWarrior

Good to know. I just remember hearing about the premise and it sounded interesting. Plus I like McConaughey.

He carries it very well, since there are very few scenes that aren’t focussed on him. His dialogue sounds a bit “modern”, but the record shows Newt Knight really did break a lot of ground. If anything, the movie skips over some of Knight’s more radical actions. The best thing might be that it doesn’t stop at the end of the war, but goes well into Reconstruction.re: #443 HappyWarrior

Oh, I’m glad they go into Reconstruction. But yeah some of my favorite type of movies are historical ones that focus on things that don’t get much attenion in the history books. I’d honestly love to see a minseries on the Spanish Civil War.

Not a series, but very, very good:

imdb.com

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:06:28am

re: #442 Dr Lizardo

If you take it as an over-the-top parody of every disaster movie ever, it works on that level perfectly. It certainly took advantage of the 2012 end-of-the-world nonsense about the Mayan calendar running out.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:06:58am

Crashed his bike. Still needed to complete a full lap. Borrowed a moped to get to his back up bike. Qualified 4th

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:07:33am

re: #446 HappyWarrior

The guy who directs Adam Sandler’s movies is pretty bad too but then again I imagine it’s because of the shit he’s given to direct.

Sandler’s career trajectory has seemingly followed that of Mike Myers, going from “I can’t believe this guy is so funny!” to “Whoa, I can’t remember why I thought this guy was funny.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:08:35am

re: #450 Targetpractice

Sandler’s career trajectory has seemingly followed that of Mike Myers, going from “I can’t believe this guy is so funny!” to “Whoa, I can’t remember why I thought this guy was funny.”

The SNL approach of coming up with one or two signature gags per show does not carry over to feature-length films.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:11:33am

re: #381 darthstar

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Our statements were not to be taken as fact, jut to be used to create legislation/vote outcomes we want.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:12:47am

re: #452 Eventual Carrion

Our statements were not to be taken as fact, jut to be used to create legislation/vote outcomes we want.

All posturing and talking points.

But they know that enough of their constituency is so politically ADD that they will not note the inherent contradictions in their week-to-week utterances.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:13:14am

re: #90 HappyWarrior

Last I saw he was too busy posting a “conversation” he had with a black nurse about how he convinced her that Trump isn’t for enslaving black people and that he got her to agree that the blacks need to stop having so many babies and that the real enemy is the Puerto Ricans.

“The blacks”? What are “the blacks”? And can anyone show me stats proving that Black Americans are having “so many babies”?
Delusional racism at its best.

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jeffreyw  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:13:50am

Imgur
Mmm… sausage muffin with egg and pepper jelly

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:17:31am

re: #454 Patricia Kayden

“The blacks”? What are “the blacks”? And can anyone show me stats proving that Black Americans are having “so many babies”?
Delusional racism at its best.

Sadly I can’t see his Facebook gems now, since his FB page is no longer public. But I retrieved that imaginary conversation for posterity from here at LGF.

Now if the nurse happened to be working at a psychiatric hospital where he was a patient, it would make better sense.

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Ming5000  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:18:17am

re: #397 darthstar

It’s a dead heat. 61-64

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I wonder how many of the 37% saying HRC is not qualified are Bernians.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:18:20am

re: #455 jeffreyw

That looks delectable. Is it turkey sausage?

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:18:36am

re: #448 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

If you take it as an over-the-top parody of every disaster movie ever, it works on that level perfectly. It certainly took advantage of the 2012 end-of-the-world nonsense about the Mayan calendar running out.

That’s pretty much how I viewed it…..a parody of “end-of-the-world” genre films. When viewed through that prism, it’s succeeds magnificently.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:19:08am

re: #454 Patricia Kayden

“The blacks”? What are “the blacks”? And can anyone show me stats proving that Black Americans are having “so many babies”?
Delusional racism at its best.

You’ll have to ask the Rage Furby.

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Ming5000  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:19:57am

re: #402 darthstar

Keep your powder dry!

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:23:23am

re: #456 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Lol!!! I read the comments for educational purposes but stay for the laughs.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:25:52am

re: #456 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Sadly I can’t see his Facebook gems now, since his FB page is no longer public. But I retrieved that imaginary conversation for posterity from here at LGF.

Now if the nurse happened to be working at a psychiatric hospital where he was a patient, it would make better sense.

IT was just so absurdly over the topi. I half expected her to eventually “say” they were better off as slaves. It was that one sided. By the way as I said last night, I missed the hilarious irony in someone complaining about too much Puerto Ricans in this country because I was too focused on over the topi the dialogue was about how “black men need to stop killing our people and raping our women.” You know the fucked up thing is? He’s younger than me. Honestly I don’t have a lot of optimism for my generation’s conservatives. They esem just as hateful as their parents and grandparents.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:26:17am

re: #460 HappyWarrior

You’ll have to ask the Rage Furby.

He’s parroting every trope about black people that white bigots have said for decades. Then he pretends the nurse just takes it all in, while blaming the Puerto Ricans and admiring Trump. WTF? Like this would ever happen.

BTW, he’s been writing and tweeting about how stupid people in PR are. Just making sure he manages to slur every possible ethnic minority except Asians.

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jeffreyw  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:26:19am

re: #458 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Thanks! That’s a pork sausage but I don’t remember the particulars. The jelly was made from red ripe jalapenos.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:27:20am

re: #462 Patricia Kayden

Lol!!! I read the comments for educational purposes but stay for the laughs.

What made it so almost comical is how she “agrees” she’ll vote for Trump because she liked him on the Apprentice though just before he has “her” talking about Trump bringing back slavery. ANd then the end is the best. WHY CAN’T WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS LIKE THIS ABOUT RACE IN OUR CONTRY?

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Alephnaught  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:27:48am

re: #435 darthstar

Including West Milton…

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:28:24am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:29:58am

re: #464 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He’s parroting every trope about black people that white bigots have said for decades. Then he pretends the nurse just takes it all in, while blaming the Puerto Ricans and admiring Trump. WTF? Like this would ever happen.

BTW, he’s been writing and tweeting about how stupid people in PR are. Just making sure he manages to slur every possible ethnic minority except Asians.

Yep, the nurse just listens intently as he calls African-American men rapists and murderers and suddenly decides he’s right, they do need to stop all those things he says. And then the coup de grace is his note at the end about why we can’t have more conversations like this on racism. Why the sudden rants about Puerto Ricans? Odd. Anyhow, my mom worked with a couple of people from PR, she said a lot of people were always stunned to find out that people from PR are US citizens.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:30:57am

re: #469 HappyWarrior

Yep, the nurse just listens intently as he calls African-American men rapists and murderers and suddenly decides he’s right, they do need to stop all those things he says. And then the coup de grace is his note at the end about why we can’t have more conversations like this on racism. Why the sudden rants about Puerto Ricans? Odd. Anyhow, my mom worked with a couple of people from PR, she said a lot of people were always stunned to find out that people from PR are US citizens.

I’m pretty certain this “African-American nurse” is just another voice in Rage Furby’s head.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:31:20am

re: #463 HappyWarrior

IT was just so absurdly over the topi. I half expected her to eventually “say” they were better off as slaves. It was that one sided. By the way as I said last night, I missed the hilarious irony in someone complaining about too much Puerto Ricans in this country because I was too focused on over the topi the dialogue was about how “black men need to stop killing our people and raping our women.” You know the fucked up thing is? He’s younger than me. Honestly I don’t have a lot of optimism for my generation’s conservatives. They esem just as hateful as their parents and grandparents.

It was so ridiculous that it was self-parody. I mean, I couldn’t have written anything so absurdly fake if I had tried.

sadly, many of his followers would believe it to be an accurate account of a real event.

Also, apparently while he was in NYC he was a guest on the Gavin McInnes show, who apparently is a real slimeball too. And guess what? Chuck was wearing the same blue-and-white checked shirt. That show is subscriber only, so I have no idea what BS Chuck said.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:31:35am

re: #468 The Vicious Babushka

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Seems like she did a great job destroying her family without any help from the Democrats. People like this woman are exactly why we need gun control. I don’t give a shit anymore. I’m tired of this shit. The 2nd Amendment needs to be viewed with a fresh set of 21st century eyes.

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Tigger2  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:32:00am
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Double Dumbass  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:32:08am

re: #470 The Vicious Babushka

I’m pretty certain this “African-American nurse” is just another voice in Rage Furby’s head.

I always thought the voices in his head were just endless echos.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:34:02am

re: #471 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It was so ridiculous that it was self-parody. I mean, I couldn’t have written anything so absurdly fake if I had tried.

sadly, many of his followers would believe it to be an accurate account of a real event.

Also, apparently while he was in NYC he was a guest on the Gavin McInnes show, who apparently is a real slimeball too. And guess what? Chuck was wearing the same blue-and-white checked shirt. That show is subscriber only, so I have no idea what BS Chuck said.

Yeah it was very over the top. I was almost disappointed that he didn’t use fake dialogue for her “voice.” Yeah McInnes is a huge one. As I said, that kid is a good part of why I’m not optimistic for the future. A good friend of mine has discovered Stevie Crowder who is also a hateful little shit and parroting his hateful shit. It’s been depressing quite a bit to see him doing that.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:35:10am

re: #473 Tigger2

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Goddamn he’s digging himself a hole.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:36:01am

re: #470 The Vicious Babushka

I’m pretty certain this “African-American nurse” is just another voice in Rage Furby’s head.

Oh yeah? I’m 99% certain this conversation never happened given Chucky’s history and the fact that it’s so absurd.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:37:35am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:39:26am

re: #467 Alephnaught

Trump going to Scotland and talking about how great it was they voted to leave would be like going to Alabama in 2012 and saying how great it was that they had just re-elected Obama

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:41:58am

re: #479 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump going to Scotland and talking about how great it was they voted to leave would be like going to Alabama in 2012 and saying how great it was that they had just re-elected Obama

Even Alabama had counties that went for Obama. Not a single part of Scotland voted to leave. But yeah it shows how tone deaf he is politically. He should have gone to the middle of England but I doubt he has a golf course there.

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Tigger2  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:45:00am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:45:11am

Meanwhile the contrast between how Biden was received in Ireland and Trump in Scotland couldn’t have been more greater. If you haven’t read about Biden’s Irish trip, it’s actually pretty moving. He was able to find the grave one of his ancestors and he talked about his second great grandfatehr and Obama’s third great grandfather, both men who were Irish shoemakers who emigrated to the US and he remarked at the wonder of these two men who left their home country with little one day having descendants that are now the President and Vice President of the United States. I do like Obama and Clinton but I really will miss Biden a lot too. I’m hoping that Joe enjoys a happy retirement with Jill, his son, daughter, and the grandkdis. After a life of public service, he deserves a grand retirement.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:46:13am

re: #481 Tigger2

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Good. They were advised to stay in the UK under a raw deal. I also wouldn’t be upset if NI did something too.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:49:47am

re: #483 HappyWarrior

Good. They were advised to stay in the UK under a raw deal. I also wouldn’t be upset if NI did something too.

Problem with the Scottish referendum is that there were no concrete plans on how to go forward on independence, and at the time it would have meant some time in the air without a currency or a political/trade alliance before the EU decided to let them in.

And the EU was not in favor of it at the time. Now that it is clear that the EU would welcome Scotland with open arms, they have a lot more motivation.

I do not have the figures at hand, but I suspect that Scotland benefits from the EU as a region a lot more (per capita) than the UK as a whole

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:53:26am

re: #484 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Problem with the Scottish referendum is that there were no concrete plans on how to go forward on independence, and at the time it would have meant some time in the air without a currency or a political/trade alliance before the EU decided to let them in.

And the EU was not in favor of it at the time. Now that it is clear that the EU would welcome Scotland with open arms, they have a lot more motivation.

I do not have the figures at hand, but I suspect that Scotland benefits from the EU as a region a lot more (per capita) than the UK as a whole

True. What I mean is they were told “Stay in the UK and you get things you want.” i.e. staying in the EU.” You’re definitely right that the current situation makes it easier for them but my point remains that the Scots were told they should stay with the UK because they’d still be able to keep their EU status.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:55:46am

I noticed Rage Furby tweeted this image last week.

Compare to the image I shamelessly ripped off for gotnwes.com:

Scratching my head about this.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:57:07am

re: #486 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I noticed Rage Furby tweeted this image last week.

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Compare to the image I shamelessly ripped off for gotnwes.com:

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Scratching my head about this.

Fits well with his misogyny and over inflated sense of self.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:57:24am

re: #480 HappyWarrior

Even Alabama had counties that went for Obama. Not a single part of Scotland voted to leave. But yeah it shows how tone deaf he is politically. He should have gone to the middle of England but I doubt he has a golf course there.

Worse was Trump gloating Brexit meant he’d make more money. It was as crass as Romney’s 47% remarks.

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CleverToad  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:57:53am

re: #468 The Vicious Babushka

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One niggling question on this miserable tragedy — why does the report describe the daughters as ‘adult’? The younger girl was seventeen. That’s usually only considered ‘adult’ for a black teenager, whether victim or accused.

Crap. Wish I could add a sarc tag.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:58:51am

re: #488 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Worse was Trump gloating Brexit meant he’d make more money. It was as crass as Romney’s 47% remarks.

Yep. At least Romney had the “decency” to do things when he thought he was off camera. Trump makes no secret about what a dickbag hammer he is.

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Bass Reeves  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:59:27am

re: #489 CleverToad

Minimize the tragedy? Maybe they had it coming, they WERE both adults, after all.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:59:50am

re: #380 darthstar

Sure looks like the Republican Party to me!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:01:39am

re: #490 HappyWarrior

Yep. At least Romney had the “decency” to do things when he thought he was off camera. Trump makes no secret about what a dickbag hammer he is.

Because he speaks off the cuff all the time.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:02:25am

re: #489 CleverToad

One niggling question on this miserable tragedy — why does the report describe the daughters as ‘adult’? The younger girl was seventeen. That’s usually only considered ‘adult’ for a black teenager, whether victim or accused.

Crap. Wish I could add a sarc tag.

I dunno. Could it be possible that she was soon to turn 18 and they just did that or maybe felt it was easier describing them both as adults. Either way, what a goddamn tragedy and man I’m sick of hearing that gun control is unnecessary especially by people like this woman who rurn around and kill their own family. She may have been mentally disturbed but goddammit isn’t that why we need gun control to make sure disturbed people don’t get guns. The right wing has no solution and I’m sad to say no problem with regards to gun violence. Oh, they’ll offer their prayers but the fact that it’s guns doesn’t bother them. They’d rather cry that Obama doesn’t say “Radical Islamic Terrorism” then look the problem in its ugly face and admit that easy access to guns leads to murder.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:02:44am

re: #493 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Because he speaks off the cuff all the time.

I don’t I’ve ever seen him speak on the cuff.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:03:55am

Coming home from the gym this morning. Waiting at the Bus stop and there are two men there, one holding a Trump for President sign and another passing out Dobson leaflets saying Trump is God’s man.

I just couldn’t help myself. I looked at the deluded fool passing out the leaflet and asked him if his God was Ayn Rand.

The look on his face—PRICELESS.

I then asked him “Haven’t the Republicans screwed this country up enough”?

His answer, “No that N-Word Muslim has!”

Another reason why I last walked out of a church 30 years ago and I will NEVER go back!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:04:28am

Sorry I was rambling there but I’ve been dealing with crap about how the Democratic Party wants to get rid of the 2nd and 5th amendment for the nerve of thinking there should be background checks for people who buy guns and that people on a terrorist watch list shouldn’t be able to own them from the same people who see no problem with the terrorist watch list in itself.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:05:55am

re: #496 Joe Bacon

Coming home from the gym this morning. Waiting at the Bus stop and there are two men there, one holding a Trump for President sign and another passing out Dobson leaflets saying Trump is God’s man.

I just couldn’t help myself. I looked at the deluded fool passing out the leaflet and asked him if his God was Ayn Rand.

The look on his face—PRICELESS.

I then asked him “Haven’t the Republicans screwed this country up enough”?

His answer, “No that N-Word Muslim has!”

Another reason why I last walked out of a church 30 years ago and I will NEVER go back!

What right wing racism. I’m glad you asked that though because yeah their God is more like Ayn Rand than any God I’ve ever heard of. They combine the worst of theocracy and the worst of objectivism. It’s a disturbing what seems to me uniquely American philosophy.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:09:36am

Welp, everybody thought it was a triumph for democracy when the British essentially neutered the House of Lords, but…referendum, schmeferendum, no Brexit would ever get past the Lords, so it wouldn’t have happened in the first place before.

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Ming5000  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:10:11am

re: #495 HappyWarrior

Catch Trump when he tries to use a teleprompter. Heeelarious

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:11:17am

re: #500 Ming5000

Catch Trump when he tries to use a teleprompter. Heeelarious

Link a brother out. I really want to see this.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:12:51am

re: #466 HappyWarrior

What made it so almost comical is how she “agrees” she’ll vote for Trump because she liked him on the Apprentice though just before he has “her” talking about Trump bringing back slavery. ANd then the end is the best. WHY CAN’T WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS LIKE THIS ABOUT RACE IN OUR CONTRY?

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Ming5000  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:15:06am

re: #501 HappyWarrior

Link a brother out. I really want to see this.

Ok. I watched it live, but found this.

cnn.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:15:50am

re: #503 Ming5000

Ok. I watched it live, but found this.

cnn.com

Thanks.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:17:44am

And they make fun of Obama.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:17:47am

re: #466 HappyWarrior

What made it so almost comical is how she “agrees” she’ll vote for Trump because she liked him on the Apprentice though just before he has “her” talking about Trump bringing back slavery. ANd then the end is the best. WHY CAN’T WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS LIKE THIS ABOUT RACE IN OUR CONTRY?

Right. I that conversation, he portrays the “black nurse” as stupid (Trumps bringing back slavery, but if he isn’t, his being on The Apprentice is reason to vote for him) AND racist (There are too many Puerto Ricans, you have to watch them). So even his imaginary conversation about race with an imaginary black person is all about white superiority.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:17:58am

re: #446 HappyWarrior

The guy who directs Adam Sandler’s movies is pretty bad too but then again I imagine it’s because of the shit he’s given to direct.

It takes a very special kind of artist to make a clean sweep of The RAZZIES! Sandler should be so proud of that achievement!

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Joe Bacon  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:20:09am
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Ming5000  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:21:47am

re: #504 HappyWarrior

Jeanne Moos makes it even heelariouser, if you are a fan of hers

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Joe Bacon  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:22:26am

re: #506 Blind Frog Belly White

Right. I that conversation, he portrays the “black nurse” as stupid (Trumps bringing back slavery, but if he isn’t, his being on The Apprentice is reason to vote for him) AND racist (There are too many Puerto Ricans, you have to watch them). So even his imaginary conversation about race with an imaginary black person is all about white superiority.

I’m just waiting for the day I can go on You Tube and see Ginger Snapped getting slapped silly by a woman for uttering that inane remark!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:22:31am

Did a quick Photoshop before I go to bed.

Beware the Chuckyman!
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Belafon  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:22:44am

re: #508 Joe Bacon

They’d misspelled Christie.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:23:43am

re: #512 Belafon

They’d misspelled Christie.

Chris Christie’s idea of communion is when he downs a half dozen Big Macs and washes them down with a Diet Coke.

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Jenner7  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:24:40am

I’m home. My Dad says, “When are you going to the store?”

Vacation officially over.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:27:24am

Mr. Sanders and Mr. Trump won a combined 25 million votes during the primary season, compared with 16 million for Mrs. Clinton. And while many of Mr. Sanders’s supporters are expected to support her in November, she has not recalibrated her message to try to tap into the anger that he and Mr. Trump channeled.

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Jenner7  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:27:25am

Yowzer!

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:28:30am

re: #516 Jenner7

I’m hoping she can pick up another 9-12%

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Jenner7  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:30:18am

So, the DNC platform is the most progressive ever and Bernie’s like “meh”.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:30:58am

re: #516 Jenner7

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Yowzer!

According to #515, she has to win 101% in order to actually win.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:32:13am
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Jenner7  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:32:22am

re: #519 Belafon

And if she did, she’s too ambitious.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:34:06am

Importantly, she’s above 50% already.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:34:29am

Mother arrested on weapons charges & endangering welfare of a child

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stpaulbear  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:34:43am

re: #428 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Jeez. I saw that one in the theaters here in China. Some students asked me if that could really happen. :-P

Movie had so many plot holes and defective science that I just watched it for the special effects.

You certainly can’t watch it for the character development and acting. Watching that movie is literally watching a global car wreck.

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Ming5000  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:35:02am

re: #518 Jenner7

So, the DNC platform is the most progressive ever and Bernie’s like “meh”.

SNL sketch.
THE FAMILY IN THE ATTIC
A Dutch couple (Tim Kazurinsky, Robin Duke) who hid a Jewish family (Eddie Murphy, Mary Gross, Joe Piscopo) from the Nazis during the Second World War realize they forgot to free the family decades earlier. [Season 09, 1984]

Watch Eddie Murphy at about 2:50
THE FAMILY IN THE ATTIC
nbc.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:35:11am

re: #522 Belafon

Importantly, she’s above 50% already.

And he’s below 40.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:35:59am

Here’s the thing. The electorate knows these candidates pretty well. I am not saying it’s over by any stretch but Trump has a lot to overcome this summer. And we haven’t even seen the trainwreck he’ll pick as a running mate yet.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:36:27am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:37:39am

re: #523 FormerDirtDart

Mother arrested on weapons charges & endangering welfare of a child

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Damn. If people want to know why I’m staunchly pro gun control, it’s this. I mean yeah it’s sad when adults accidently shoot themselves playing with guns but when a child accidentally kills a sibling, or a friend with one, I just feel awful for both children involved because the child who did the shooting is going to live with a lot of guilt over something that would have never happened if his parent hadn’t been such a jackass.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:37:43am

re: #528 FormerDirtDart

He’s a “baby Christian” and a baby Candidate.

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Danack  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:38:10am

re: #516 Jenner7

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Yowzer!

Clinton is probably still going to gain a couple of points from Bernie supporters coming home to the party.

The biggest delta in the 2012 election between Obama and Romney (after Romney became the presumptive nominee) was Obama +4.4%.

Having the delta between Clinton and Trump be +11% with Clinton still having a point or two from the party coming behind her, and before the months of ads her campaign is running against Trump with his campaign having no resources to fight back with…….is awesome.

I would really not be surprised to see Clinton be +15% by the time of the Republican convention.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:38:32am

re: #528 FormerDirtDart

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Mitch should just be grateful that he was up for re-election in 2014 and not this time because he’d be on his way to join the island of misfit Senators if he were up this year.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:40:04am

re: #531 Danack

Clinton is probably still going to gain a couple of points from Bernie supporters coming home to the party.

The biggest delta in the 2012 election between Obama and Romney (after Romney became the presumptive nominee) was Obama +4.4%.

Having the delta between Clinton and Trump be +11% with Clinton still having a point or two from the party coming behind her, and before the months of ads her campaign is running against Trump with his campaign having no resources to fight back with…….is awesome.

I would really not be surprised to see Clinton be +15% by the time of the Republican convention.

I agree, we haven’t seen peak Clinton of Trump’s bottom yet at all. I was a little worried that some of the bad economic numbers that came out after Euexit may help Trump but I think people are seeing A) what a terrible choice he is and B) That while maybe they don’t like Clinton that she’s competent.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:40:09am

re: #402 darthstar

That is actually a somewhat reasonable point.

We want Trump to stay in.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:41:29am

The GOP is falling all over themselves trying to reconcile their Trumpenstein monster candidate.

I’m getting my popcorn.

I don’t want Hillary to merely win. I want her to absolutely crush him. And destroy him in the debates. He’ll probably help her a bunch running at the mouth.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:41:49am

re: #516 Jenner7

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Yowzer!

According to the old “Cube Rule” that was taught in statistics class, that would come out as a 371-167 electoral blowout for Hillary. It would also correlate to the GOP losing the Senate…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:42:15am

re: #518 Jenner7

So, the DNC platform is the most progressive ever and Bernie’s like “meh”.

What else beside the 15 dollar minimum wage? When I got my first salaried job 12 years ago, it was 5.50 a hour. I’m getting tired of Bernie’s inflexibility. We have the most progressive platform and Hillary is seriously considering Warren and Senator Brown for the VP spot. But go ahead “puregressives” join the Green Party that has shown it doesn’t care at all about immigrants.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:43:20am

re: #534 Ziggy_TARDIS

That is actually a somewhat reasonable point.

We want Trump to stay in.

Yeah don’t want to give the GOP a chance to remove him. Honestly, I think the Dems know what they’re doing. Clinton is in fact leading in Arizona and looks like she’s going to make a lot of longtime Republican states compettive.

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Alephnaught  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:43:21am

The first post-Brexit poll on Scottish Independence is out. 59% Yes / 32% No. It’s for the Sunday Post and is conducted by Panelbase. Scot Goes Pop! has the details.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:44:43am

re: #539 Alephnaught

The first post-Brexit poll on Scottish Independence is out. 59% Yes / 32% No. It’s for the Sunday Post and is conducted by Panelbase. Scot Goes Pop! has the details.

So not just “Aye” but “Hell Aye.”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:48:20am

re: #524 stpaulbear

You certainly can’t watch it for the character development and acting. Watching that movie is literally watching a global car wreck.

Did they ever explain why the change of the Baktuns on 13.0.0.0.0 4 Ajaw, 3 K’ank’in led to such drastic effects, while 12.0.0.0.0 5 Ajaw, 13 Zotz’ (September 18, 1618) went by without much happening?

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Alephnaught  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:48:23am

Another poll from Panelbase, this time for The Sunday Times, has Yes on 52%, and No on 48%.

More details.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:49:08am

Frank posted something yesterday though about how the Sanders campaign claimed that the DNC platform committed rejected the effort to make minimum wage 15 dollars a hour but it passed with little objection. I think it’s really stuff like that has made me really dislike and distrust the Sanders campaign. For a campaign that loves to carry itself as not being usual politics, it’s doing things I would expect from Ted Cruz.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:49:44am

re: #416 Dr Lizardo

Oh, that’s nothing…..Emmerich’s 2012 had a death toll that was in the billions. Seriously; something like 99.9% of humanity was wiped out (offscreen, to be sure).

The book Seven Eves wiped out everyone but about 100 people.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:51:20am

re: #538 HappyWarrior

If Arizona is competitive, so is Texas, more than likely.

In fact, That could mean states like Georgia, Louisiana, MIssissippi, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Montana as well.

If the Mormons stay away from Trump, then Utah could be in Trouble too. I can easily get to a scenario that leads to a 485-53 Landslide. And, even with that, it does not take into account that there is no info from South Carolina.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:51:54am
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:52:26am

re: #545 Ziggy_TARDIS

Actually, little lower. 479-59

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Joe Bacon  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:53:07am

re: #532 HappyWarrior

Mitch should just be grateful that he was up for re-election in 2014 and not this time because he’d be on his way to join the island of misfit Senators if he were up this year.

Maybe we will be lucky and see Rand Paul sent there!

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:54:14am

re: #546 jaunte

That’s a very good comment, I must say.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:55:12am

re: #545 Ziggy_TARDIS

If Arizona is competitive, so is Texas, more than likely.

In fact, That could mean states like Georgia, Louisiana, MIssissippi, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Montana as well.

If the Mormons stay away from Trump, then Utah could be in Trouble too. I can easily get to a scenario that leads to a 485-53 Landslide. And, even with that, it does not take into account that there is no info from South Carolina.

Wouldn’t that be something? It’d be by far the biggest electoral landslide of yours and my lifetimes. Anyhow, I definitely think Texas might be in play too. Trump did not win there during the primary and Texas has a ton of Hispanics. One reason why I am glad we’re going to nominate Clinton is she is really well liked in the Hispanic community so it’s not just people voting against Trump but also for her. Clinton and I give her and her advisers tons of credit on this have embraced the Obama coalition all the way which is the total opposite of what the Sanders campaign has done which has been a strange indifference to a multicultural coalition and weird whimsical beliefs about white working class voters.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:55:47am

re: #548 Joe Bacon

Maybe we will be lucky and see Rand Paul sent there!

That would be awesome.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:57:08am

re: #550 HappyWarrior

Wouldn’t that be something? It’d be by far the biggest electoral landslide of yours and my lifetimes. Anyhow, I definitely think Texas might be in play too. Trump did not win there during the primary and Texas has a ton of Hispanics. One reason why I am glad we’re going to nominate Clinton is she is really well liked in the Hispanic community so it’s not just people voting against Trump but also for her. Clinton and I give her and her advisers tons of credit on this have embraced the Obama coalition all the way which is the total opposite of what the Sanders campaign has done which has been a strange indifference to a multicultural coalition and weird whimsical beliefs about white working class voters.

She’s also not going to run away from Obama like Gore did Bill Clinton in 2000. That was incomprehensible.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:57:45am

re: #549 Dr Lizardo

A lot of good insights about where conservative brinksmanship leads.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:58:20am

Here’s the thing and why I’m generally optimistic about long term gains. The Democratic Party is gaining in parts of the population that are growing. The few parts that the GOP is are declining. For every angry white working class voter that Trump may get, there are more people of diverse backgrounds i.e. Muslim, Hispanic, etc that Clinton and the Democratic Party will pick up.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:59:04am

re: #550 HappyWarrior

In a few weeks, I will start volunteering for the Clinton Campaign.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:59:06am

re: #552 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

She’s also not going to run away from Obama like Gore did Bill Clinton in 2000. That was incomprehensible.

Yeah I was thinking that too when I saw Obama’s rising poll numbers. If Gore hadn’t ran away from Clinton, the shanngians in FLA would be a moot point.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:59:13am

re: #553 jaunte

A lot of good insights about where conservative brinksmanship leads.

Yes, indeed…..and it seems like outgoing PM Cameron has put its Tory adversaries in an exceedingly tight quandry.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 26, 2016 • 8:59:42am

Three day after BREXIT vote and the abolition of EU standards are already causing casualties
//

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Jay C  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:00:19am

re: #528 FormerDirtDart

So Sen. McConnell thinks the Trump campaign is “beginning to right the ship”??
Yeah: the decks are nearly awash, the rudder is jammed, the engines are nearly out of fuel, and the captain is still spending most of his time spieling his time-share pitch to the passengers as the lights flicker on and off.
But the decks are (still) level.
Whoop.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:00:32am

re: #557 Dr Lizardo

At the same time, Corbyn purged the party leadership of those who criticized him in the last few days.

He needs to be thrown out. Even if his positions are good, he is too dictatorial to be PM.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:01:16am

re: #555 Ziggy_TARDIS

In a few weeks, I will start volunteering for the Clinton Campaign.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:01:35am

re: #550 HappyWarrior

Wouldn’t that be something? It’d be by far the biggest electoral landslide of yours and my lifetimes. Anyhow, I definitely think Texas might be in play too. Trump did not win there during the primary and Texas has a ton of Hispanics. One reason why I am glad we’re going to nominate Clinton is she is really well liked in the Hispanic community so it’s not just people voting against Trump but also for her. Clinton and I give her and her advisers tons of credit on this have embraced the Obama coalition all the way which is the total opposite of what the Sanders campaign has done which has been a strange indifference to a multicultural coalition and weird whimsical beliefs about white working class voters.

Nothing would give me more pleasure than to see a rerun of 1912 that has Trump running 3rd behind Hillary and Gary Johnson. The thought of Trump and the GOP failing to carry a single state would be a cherry on the cake and sweet revenge for 1972 and 1984.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:02:20am

re: #559 Jay C

So Sen. McConnell thinks the Trump campaign is “Beginning to right the ship”??
Yeah: the decks are nearly awash, the rudder is jammed, the engines are nearly out of fuel, and the captain is still spending most of his time spieling his time-share pitch to the passengers as the lights flicker on and off.
But the decks are (still) level.
Whoop.

Someone should remind Mitch that the Titanic did not sink immediately when it hit the iceberg. Hopefully Mitch will be like Captain Smith and have the decency to go down with the ship.

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Lidane  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:02:54am
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Stanley Sea  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:03:28am

re: #555 Ziggy_TARDIS

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:03:34am

re: #562 Joe Bacon

Nothing would give me more pleasure than to see a rerun of 1912 that has Trump running 3rd behind Hillary and Gary Johnson. The thought of Trump and the GOP failing to carry a single state would be a cherry on the cake and sweet revenge for 1972 and 1984.

We live in the same dream. I’d like that too. The GOP failing to carry a single state would be a signal to them that the American people don’t want their shit.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:04:08am

re: #558 FormerDirtDart

Three day after BREXIT vote and the abolition of EU standards are already causing casualties
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Yikes, numbers climbing

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:04:53am

re: #554 HappyWarrior

Here’s the thing and why I’m generally optimistic about long term gains. The Democratic Party is gaining in parts of the population that are growing. The few parts that the GOP is are declining. For every angry white working class voter that Trump may get, there are more people of diverse backgrounds i.e. Muslim, Hispanic, etc that Clinton and the Democratic Party will pick up.

If they’re allowed to vote. Voter suppression and intimidation in Republican-run states is going to be positively frenzied this time. Enough for the general public to finally notice? Who knows?

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:05:11am

For those of you that don’t like your sharia creeping:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:05:28am

re: #568 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

If they’re allowed to vote. Voter suppression and intimidation in Republican-run states is going to be positively frenzied this time. Enough for the general public to finally notice? Who knows?

Hopefully DOJ is ready.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:06:31am

re: #569 SoundGuy 2016

For those of you that don’t like your sharia creeping:

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I just fell in love with a girl named Sharia, Sharrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrria!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:06:36am

re: #561 HappyWarrior

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Joe Bacon  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:06:46am

re: #566 HappyWarrior

We live in the same dream. I’d like that too. The GOP failing to carry a single state would be a signal to them that the American people don’t want their shit.

And if Johnson carries states like Oklahoma, Wyoming, Idaho, North Dakota and Montana that would drive nails into the GOP Coffin…

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:07:24am

re: #571 HappyWarrior

I just fell in love with a girl named Sharia, Sharrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrria!

Mah mah mah My Sharia, whoa!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:07:48am

re: #565 Stanley Sea

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:08:25am

re: #573 Joe Bacon

I think Hillary would have a chance in ND and Montana.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:08:45am

re: #574 SoundGuy 2016

Mah mah mah My Sharia, whoa!

Sharia you’ve got me on my knees.
Sharia, I’m begging, darling please.
Sharia, darling won’t you ease my worried mind.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:08:52am

re: #568 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

If they’re allowed to vote. Voter suppression and intimidation in Republican-run states is going to be positively frenzied this time. Enough for the general public to finally notice? Who knows?

And your proof of this is what?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:09:24am

IIRC some of Trump’s biggest struggles with Cruz were in the Mountain west areas.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:09:36am

re: #524 stpaulbear

You certainly can’t watch it for the character development and acting. Watching that movie is literally watching a global car wreck.

I watched it with a geologist and I was the one constantly saying “It does not work that way!”. My brother and niece had essentially already turned their brains off in terms of analyzing the supposed science behind the plot. (They also watch a lot more movies on NetFlix than I do so I expect they are used to settling down to a few hours of action-oriented brain candy than I am.)

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Stanley Sea  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:10:06am

re: #575 Ziggy_TARDIS

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:10:35am

re: #576 Ziggy_TARDIS

I think Hillary would have a chance in ND and Montana.

You’re dreaming. Her anti-gun stance leaves her DOA in Montana and the Democratic party is as a whole to anti-fossil fuels to win in North Dakota.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:10:43am

re: #578 Dark_Falcon

And your proof of this is what?

Extrapolation from the egregious voter suppression and intimidation that’s been going on in Republican-run states since 2000 at least. Please don’t play dumb.

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Jay C  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:10:47am

re: #563 HappyWarrior

Someone should remind Mitch that the Titanic did not sink immediately when it hit the iceberg. Hopefully Mitch will be like Captain Smith and have the decency to go down with the ship.

Not Sen. Yertle: to use a “Titanic” analogy, I’m guessing he’s probably already sent his aides to see that there’s a lifeboat stocked and ready for him, that the davits are greased, and a log entry written up to shift any blame onto someone else.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:11:25am

WHUT

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:12:10am

re: #575 Ziggy_TARDIS

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:12:36am

Trump has no experience in office. His press secretary has no experience in politics.

But Obama was incessantly harped on for not having any experience. Remember the ‘community organizer’ slur?

A stunning level of hypocrisy even for this environment full of it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:13:05am

re: #582 Dark_Falcon

You’re dreaming. Her anti-gun stance leaves her DOA in Montana and the Democratic party is as a whole to anti-fossil fuels to win in North Dakota.

McCain only beat Obama by 2% in Montana. I don’t think he’s as crazy as you think. Trump really is a toxic pretzel prick. I bet the idea of Reagan taking MA in 1984 was crazy to many people too.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:14:16am

re: #583 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Extrapolation from the egregious voter suppression and intimidation that’s been going on in Republican-run states since 2000 at least. Please don’t play dumb.

You’re going to have to make a better case than just extrapolation with me. I my definition of intimidation is not expansive, either.

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Jenner7  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:14:22am
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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:14:55am

re: #588 HappyWarrior

McCain only beat Obama by 2% in Montana. I don’t think he’s as crazy as you think. Trump really is a toxic pretzel Cheetos prick. I bet the idea of Reagan taking MA in 1984 was crazy to many people too.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:14:58am

re: #587 SoundGuy 2016

Trump has no experience in office. His press secretary has no experience in politics.

But Obama was incessantly harped on for not having any experience. Remember the ‘community organizer’ slur?

A stunning level of hypocrisy even for this environment full of it.

No kidding. Hell Trump even flouts the fact that he refuses to listen to advisers. You know, a man much more wise than me, one George Washington decided it was a good idea to have advisers and that’s why we have the Cabinet today. And he had a guy with a brilliant understanding of economics at Treasury and a great diplomat in Jefferson at State. Good thing Washington ddn’t think like Trump is all I can say.

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Double Dumbass  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:15:35am

re: #578 Dark_Falcon

And your proof of this is what?

No proof, but some indicative evidence such as the attempts at gerrymandering and the heavily biased voting laws enacted in GOP lead states.

Asking for proof before any outcomes of a predictive hypothesis are seen is a useless question.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:15:36am

But, but, Amish PAC is going to flip PA and OH over to Trump by rallying Amish and Mennonite voter registration in record numbers!

lancasteronline.com

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Double Dumbass  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:16:15am

re: #581 Stanley Sea

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I agree with this.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:16:22am

re: #591 SoundGuy 2016

Hey it’s my Scottish insult here. I’ve been using pretzel prick as an insult for some time oto. For the record, I’d be shocked if Clinton won MT but I don’t think Tardis is as crazy as DF thinks in thinking she’s got a shot there. At the very least, she’s going to make the GOP squeal in a lot of places it shouldn’t.

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Double Dumbass  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:17:31am

re: #585 The Vicious Babushka

WHUT

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Grasping at insignificant straws, he is.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:18:43am

re: #593 b_sharp

No proof, but some indicative evidence such as the attempts at gerrymandering and the heavily biased voting laws enacted in GOP lead states.

Asking for proof before any outcomes of a predictive hypothesis are seen is a useless question.

What’s really fucked up is I recall Wisconsin I think under Walker requiring a state issued ID to vote and then he promptly closed a lot of DMVs down. There’s a lot of shady shit at play and I don’t blame people for being worried.

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stpaulbear  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:19:03am

re: #543 HappyWarrior

Frank posted something yesterday though about how the Sanders campaign claimed that the DNC platform committed rejected the effort to make minimum wage 15 dollars a hour but it passed with little objection. I think it’s really stuff like that has made me really dislike and distrust the Sanders campaign. For a campaign that loves to carry itself as not being usual politics, it’s doing things I would expect from Ted Cruz.

It’s time for Barney Frank to make a statement, please.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:19:17am

re: #593 b_sharp

No proof, but some indicative evidence such as the attempts at gerrymandering and the heavily biased voting laws enacted in GOP lead states.

Asking for proof before any outcomes of a predictive hypothesis are seen is a useless question.

We wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in today if 60,000 Democrats (and no Republicans) in Florida in 2000 hadn’t been told the voter’s rolls showed they were dead and to “come back next week and straighten it out”. That doesn’t even cover armed cops at every polling station.

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MsJ  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:19:24am

re: #582 Dark_Falcon

You’re dreaming. Her anti-gun stance leaves her DOA in Montana and the Democratic party is as a whole to anti-fossil fuels to win in North Dakota.

GUNS GUNS GUNS PARTY GUNS PARTY FTW!

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:19:29am

re: #596 HappyWarrior

Hey it’s my Scottish insult here. I’ve been using pretzel prick as an insult for some time oto. For the record, I’d be shocked if Clinton won MT but I don’t think Tardis is as crazy as DF thinks in thinking she’s got a shot there. At the very least, she’s going to make the GOP squeal in a lot of places it shouldn’t.

And Trump will draw more support in places like Pennsylvania and give Clinton heartburn where she doesn’t expect it. This isn’t a typical election and the definition of ‘battleground’ is likely to shift.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:19:47am

re: #585 The Vicious Babushka

WHUT

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If she really wanted to piss him off, she should suggest that he cheats at golf and there are stories that suggests in fact he does just that.
Trump: Too big a douchebag even for douchebags

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Renaissance_Man  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:21:16am

re: #572 Ziggy_TARDIS

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:21:44am

re: #602 Dark_Falcon

And Trump will draw more support in places like Pennsylvania and give Clinton heartburn where she doesn’t expect it. This isn’t a typical election and the definition of ‘battleground’ is likely to shift.

You do realize she’s won Pennsylvania in both primaries she’s run there right? Pennsylvania likes Clinton a lot more than they do Trump.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:21:48am

SO MUCH TEH BUTTHURTZ==>

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Stanley Sea  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:22:59am

re: #585 The Vicious Babushka

WHUT

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Haha, I was younger then, I could swing a club. Now I’m too decrepit. Liar liar!

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:23:02am

re: #602 Dark_Falcon

And Trump will draw more support in places like Pennsylvania and give Clinton heartburn where she doesn’t expect it. This isn’t a typical election and the definition of ‘battleground’ is likely to shift.

Yeah, you’re voting for him, no matter how much you claim you won’t.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:23:26am

re: #606 The Vicious Babushka

SO MUCH TEH BUTTHURTZ==>

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Why would I not be shocked if he thinks there’s a 50-50 divide between registered Dems and Republicans that polling should be done that way?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:23:34am

re: #598 HappyWarrior

What’s really fucked up is I recall Wisconsin I think under Walker requiring a state issued ID to vote and then he promptly closed a lot of DMVs down. There’s a lot of shady shit at play and I don’t blame people for being worried.

D_F: “Voter ID? What’s Voter ID?”

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Double Dumbass  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:23:37am

re: #606 The Vicious Babushka

SO MUCH TEH BUTTHURTZ==>

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He needs to unskew the polls.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:24:01am

re: #606 The Vicious Babushka

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Tigger2  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:24:40am

re: #606 The Vicious Babushka

SO MUCH TEH BUTTHURTZ==>

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:24:45am

Corbyn’s in deep trouble if this is true:

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Jay C  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:24:46am

re: #578 Dark_Falcon

And your proof of this is what?

SRSLY? Even the “mainstream” media has noted that several states where Republicans control the legislatures (just coincidentally, no doubt) have, in recent years, enacted fairly comprehensive revisions to their voting regulations - in general making it harder to register (usually through new, stringent ID requirements) and vote (typically though manipulations of polling-place availability). That these new laws, as restrictive as the courts will allow, are aimed at reducing Democratic votes is usually pretty obvious, disingenuous arguments about [the bogus straw issue of] “voter fraud” notwithstanding.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:26:49am

re: #615 Jay C

SRSLY? Even the “mainstream” media has noted that several states where Republicans control the legislatures (just coincidentally, no doubt) have, in recent years, enacted fairly comprehensive revisions to their voting regulations - in general making it harder to register (usually through new, stringent ID requirements) and vote (typically though manipulations of polling-place availability). That these new laws, as restrictive as the courts will allow, are aimed at reducing Democratic votes is usually pretty obvious, disingenuous arguments about [the bogus straw issue of] “voter fraud” notwithstanding.

Wasn’t there something that a Pennsylvania Republican specifically said in 2012? And honestly while not technically fraud, I have definitely witnessed with my own eyes Republican attempts to weaken areas that vote Democratic. When I was in college, the local Republicans fought hard an attempt to put a precinct on our campus. Now I will concede that our campus had more commuters than the average university but that was some shady shit and it’s why I don’t trust the GOP any further than I can throw them with voting stuff.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:27:20am

re: #611 b_sharp

He needs to unskew the polls.

It’s entirely possible that poll may be off. Ipsos doesn’t have a good polling model and its skewing their results in a jackass direction.

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Jenner7  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:28:32am
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jaunte  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:31:29am
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Double Dumbass  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:32:38am

re: #617 Dark_Falcon

It’s entirely possible that poll may be off. Ipsos doesn’t have a good polling model and its skewing their results in a jackass direction.

It’s also entirely possible Trump simply doesn’t understand statistics and his blatantly obvious motivated reasoning feeds his narcissism.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:32:42am

re: #619 jaunte

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You know you’re thin skinned when you let a man who wrote a column dedicated to his hatred of jeans get to you? Trump really is a thin skinned little boy. I shiver at the thought of him having to deal with a foreign leader who won’t kiss his fat ass.

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sagehen  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:33:10am

re: #578 Dark_Falcon

And your proof of this is what?

thedailybeast.com

billmoyers.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:33:21am

re: #620 b_sharp

It’s also entirely possible Trump simply doesn’t understand statistics and his blatantly obvious motivated reasoning feeds his narcissism.

That i find far more believable. He’s shown he understands little this election so why should polling be any different.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:36:13am

re: #622 sagehen

thedailybeast.com

billmoyers.com

Gosh I forgot about Yoko showing his views on sufferage to be more backwards than Andrew Jackson’s. Only landowners really? It really couldn’t be anymore obvious if you really listen to these guys their contempt for the idea universal suffrage for all citizens over the age of 18. Of course, they know that higher turnout= bad news for them and their party but man it would be nice if they could at least pretend that they value the idea of everyone voting.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:36:15am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:37:07am

jeebus, he is sooooo stupid.

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Tigger2  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:38:17am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:38:39am

re: #626 Backwoods_Sleuth

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jeebus, he is sooooo stupid.

Yes, he is. Stupid and dangerous.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:38:42am

re: #620 b_sharp

It’s also entirely possible Trump simply doesn’t understand statistics and his blatantly obvious motivated reasoning feeds his narcissism.

Possible but not probable in this case.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:39:47am

re: #616 HappyWarrior

Wasn’t there something that a Pennsylvania Republican specifically said in 2012? And honestly while not technically fraud, I have definitely witnessed with my own eyes Republican attempts to weaken areas that vote Democratic. When I was in college, the local Republicans fought hard an attempt to put a precinct on our campus. Now I will concede that our campus had more commuters than the average university but that was some shady shit and it’s why I don’t trust the GOP any further than I can throw them with voting stuff.

What you’re saying about the Pennsylvania Republican saying that Voter ID would effectively give the state to Romney is absolutely true. Republicans are going to use every dirty trick in the book to stay in power.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:41:00am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:41:06am

re: #629 Dark_Falcon

Possible but not probable in this case.

Honest question but why? I mean I’ll be the first to admit that the polling may not be perfect but does Trump have any idea how much he pisses a lot of people including a lot of conservatives off? He just seems unaware and anything that doesn’t kiss his ass has to be bullshit. I’m sorry but I think you’re being way way too generous here.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:41:42am

re: #630 Joe Bacon

What you’re saying about the Pennsylvania Republican saying that Voter ID would effectively give the state to Romney is absolutely true. Republicans are going to use every dirty trick in the book to stay in power.

Yeah it was a state senator wasn’t it? And yeah tehy’er going ot play dirty. I have no doubt about it.

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Jay C  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:41:44am

re: #617 Dark_Falcon

It’s entirely possible that poll may be off. Ipsos doesn’t have a good polling model and its skewing their results in a jackass direction.

Possible. But a more reliable indicator might be the aggregate numbers like in #564 : one individual poll or another might indeed be off for one reason or another, but when eleven national polls give the opposing candidate an average + 6.7 point lead? I think this means the campaign is starting in a moderately-deep hole.

Still early in the campaign season, though: but if those numbers are still the same, or similar, by September, the term “landslide” is, I think, going to be being used a lot more frequently.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:42:06am

re: #631 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Cornyn’s done too.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:42:49am

Plenty of ATVs, ATGMs, A-10s and automatic weapons, all aimed at making a statement to Russia:

US Forces And NATO Allies ln Action - Strong Exercise Saber Strike 16

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stpaulbear  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:42:53am

re: #589 Dark_Falcon

You’re going to have to make a better case than just extrapolation with me. I my definition of intimidation is not expansive, either.

Why don’t you start here.

(edit: I’m still behind in the comments this morning so this probably isn’t a starting point any more)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:43:28am

I mean we’re not talking about a normal candidate here guys. WE’re talking about a guy who after 50 people were murdered in a night club, he RTed “Thanks for the congrats”, he cared more about how he was “proven” right than that 50 people were murdered.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:44:59am

re: #632 HappyWarrior

Honest question but why? I mean I’ll be the first to admit that the polling may not be perfect but does Trump have any idea how much he pisses a lot of people including a lot of conservatives off? He just seems unaware and anything that doesn’t kiss his ass has to be bullshit. I’m sorry but I think you’re being way way too generous here.

I can believe Clinton +5, but +12 represents a skewed poll.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:45:13am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:45:22am

re: #634 Jay C

Possible. But a more reliable indicator might be the aggregate numbers like in #564 : one individual poll or another might indeed be off for one reason or another, but when eleven national polls give the opposing candidate an average + 6.7 point lead? I think this means the campaign is starting in a moderately-deep hole.

Still early in the campaign season, though: but if those numbers are still the same, or similar, by September, the term “landslide” is, I think, going to be being used a lot more frequently.

Well, the definitions differ. If a Democrat wins 60/40, it’s a landslide (though if Hillary wins 60/40, expect that to change.) By 1988, Bush’s 53/47 had become a “landslide”.

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Double Dumbass  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:45:54am

re: #629 Dark_Falcon

Possible but not probable in this case.

A single poll is hardly authoritative, but I have yet to see that Trump understands anything beyond manipulating people.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:45:59am

re: #639 Dark_Falcon

I can believe Clinton +5, but +12 represents a skewed poll.

That’s why they have the MOE. I am just saying that when has Trump offered any evidence that he’s rational. I’d like to see the make up of the polled. I really think Trump doesn’t understand how polling is done, I Really don’t.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:46:32am

re: #642 b_sharp

A single poll is hardly authoritative, but I have yet to see that Trump understands anything beyond manipulating people.

Thanks Sharp.

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Jay C  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:46:41am

re: #631 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Interesting graphic - if that’s Labour’s Shadow Cabinet, 18 out of the 30 are women. Well, 18 out of 31 if you include Jeremy Corbyn. But at the rate things are going, the Shadow Cabinet is likely to end up all-male (i.e. Jeremy Corbyn) pretty quickly.

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gwangung  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:46:50am

re: #589 Dark_Falcon

You’re going to have to make a better case than just extrapolation with me. I my definition of intimidation is not expansive, either.

Oh, please. We’re seeing people getting lopped off the rolls by the hundreds of thousands, both war vets and the elderly.

Stop living in Eqypt.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:47:12am

re: #640 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Seems like Cornyn’s been hanging with Jill Stein.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:47:49am

re: #639 Dark_Falcon

I can believe Clinton +5, but +12 represents a skewed poll.

Well there you have it. Keep believing that, please.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:48:01am

re: #646 gwangung

Oh, please. We’re seeing people getting lopped off the rolls by the hundreds of thousands, both war vets and the elderly.

Stop living in Eqypt.

The most telling for me was when university students with their student ID could not vote.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:48:46am

How many of these “facts” are totally debunked bullshit?

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Stanley Sea  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:49:20am
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gwangung  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:49:31am

re: #639 Dark_Falcon

I can believe Clinton +5, but +12 represents a skewed poll.

Sorry, but you don’t understand statistics.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:49:40am

re: #643 HappyWarrior

That’s why they have the MOE. I am just saying that when has Trump offered any evidence that he’s rational. I’d like to see the make up of the polled. I really think Trump doesn’t understand how polling is done, I Really don’t.

I don’t think he understands, either. I think someone told him “The ABC poll is skewed towards Hillary Clinton.” without being given the time to fully explain why and Trump just ran with it and started firing off Tweets.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:50:02am

re: #649 HappyWarrior

The most telling for me was when university students with their student ID could not vote.

But people with gun permits could.

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stpaulbear  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:50:15am

re: #602 Dark_Falcon

And Trump will draw more support in places like Pennsylvania and give Clinton heartburn where she doesn’t expect it. This isn’t a typical election and the definition of ‘battleground’ is likely to shift.

Sounds like you want Trump to win. You going to do your part to make that happen?

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:50:21am

re: #639 Dark_Falcon

I can believe Clinton +5, but +12 represents a skewed poll.

You’re determined to go down with the SS GOP.
Why?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:50:54am

re: #654 I Would Prefer Not To

But people with gun permits could.

Yes, that’s right. And nearly all student ID cards are photo IDs at that too.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:50:58am

re: #646 gwangung

Oh, please. We’re seeing people getting lopped off the rolls by the hundreds of thousands, both war vets and the elderly.

Stop living in Eqypt.

And where is that happening, pray tell?

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:51:11am

Anywho, how goes things everyone?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:51:41am

re: #589 Dark_Falcon

You’re going to have to make a better case than just extrapolation with me. I my definition of intimidation is not expansive, either.

Since you’ve already chosen not to believe, there’s no amount of evidence that could convince you. It’s time wasted trying.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:52:02am

re: #658 Dark_Falcon

And where is that happening, pray tell?

The same fucking country that you are living in.

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Lidane  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:52:54am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:53:26am

re: #653 Dark_Falcon

I don’t think he understands, either. I think someone told him “The ABC poll is skewed towards Hillary Clinton.” without being given the time to fully explain why and Trump just ran with it and started firing off Tweets.

Well the whole argument was you seemed to think he was being rational by complaining. He had nothing to base this on. And honestly as I said, I think you underestimate how greatly he pisses people off. I don’t know how much Clinton is up by but I know Trump’s done a lot to make a landslide possible.

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gwangung  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:53:54am

re: #658 Dark_Falcon

And where is that happening, pray tell?

Indiana: google.com

Alabama: google.com

North Carolina: google.com

Please. Stop insulting our intelligence.

And come back from Egypt.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:54:00am

re: #661 I Would Prefer Not To

The same fucking country that you are living in.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Probably should change his nic to “LALALALALA I CAN’T HEAR YOU!!”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:54:26am

re: #662 Lidane

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That’s his way. Acts like he doesn’t know who someone is when they’re an inconvenience for him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:54:40am

re: #662 Lidane

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Wearing a golfing glove and carrying a golf club at his golf course in Scotland but nooooooooooooo he wasn’t playing golf…

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:55:07am

re: #659 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Anywho, how goes things everyone?

Just looking over some oldies but goodies:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:55:25am

re: #662 Lidane

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There’s that “one of the all time great memories” again.

But apparently, having “one of the all time great memories” doesn’t allow him to remember saying he has “one of the all time great memories”. Funny about that.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:55:48am

re: #667 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wearing a golfing glove and carrying a golf club at his golf course in Scotland but nooooooooooooo he wasn’t playing golf…

He was jacking himself off.

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Tigger2  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:55:51am

re: #658 Dark_Falcon

And where is that happening, pray tell?

Here’s one example. It talks about 22 states and the new laws they either passed or tried to pass.
prospect.org

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Stanley Sea  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:55:51am

Jake Tapper doing segment on trump cheating at golf.

Jake even drew the cartoons.

Pretty good.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:56:21am
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Dark_Falcon  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:56:27am

re: #664 gwangung

Indiana: google.com

Alabama: google.com

North Carolina: google.com

Please. Stop insulting our intelligence.

And come back from Egypt.

I could never live there. The people there are too different from me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:56:42am

heh

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:58:07am

re: #665 Blind Frog Belly White

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Probably should change his nic to “LALALALALA I CAN’T HEAR YOU!!”

What really pisses me off is that no US Citizen should be denied the right to vote. During the 8 years of President Bush their were about 8 cases of voter fraud. To prevent another 8 cases, we are making it much harder/sometimes impossible for some citizens to vote. Fuck you DF for suggesting that this doesn’t happen or is OK.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:58:47am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:59:13am

re: #676 I Would Prefer Not To

What really pisses me off is that no US Citizen should be denied the right to vote. During the 8 years of President Bush their were about 8 cases of voter fraud. To prevent another 8 cases, we are making it much harder/sometimes impossible for some citizens to vote. Fuck you DF for suggesting that this doesn’t happen or is OK.

Fucked up thing to be honest with you is when there has been cases of fraud, it’s usually been officials from that party that insists we have a rampant voter fraud problem.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:59:17am

re: #674 Dark_Falcon

I could never live there. The people there are too different from me.

De Nile. You’re living in it.

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blueraven  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:59:23am

re: #516 Jenner7

Yowzer!

Also, Obama approval/disapproval at 56-41 vs last month 47-51

I always thought that last WaPo/ABC poll was somewhat of an outlier. And I still do, but it does show Bernie voters coming home. Only 13% say they will vote Trump vs 20% last month.

13% is still too many, but I expect that number will get better as we get closer to Nov.

re: #606 The Vicious Babushka

SO MUCH TEH BUTTHURTZ==>

The R/D/I split favors D’s a little bit more in this poll vs last ABC poll, but not nearly enough to account for the better numbers for Hillary.

June:

Partisan
divisions are 36-24-33 percent, Democrats-Republicans-independents, in the full sample, 37-27-30 among registered voters.

May:

Partisan
divisions are 33-25-35 percent, Democrats-Republicans-independents, in the full sample, 34-27-33 among registered voters.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 9:59:31am

re: #677 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Nighty night Jeremy.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:00:16am

re: #661 I Would Prefer Not To

The same fucking country that you are living in.

Let’s remind somebody whom I shall NOT name about this…

gregpalast.com

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stpaulbear  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:00:41am

re: #640 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Maybe he got shit-faced drunk before he went to bed.

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Skip Intro  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:00:58am

Donald Trump Adviser Insists Campaign Is Doing Just Fine

Paul Manafort, a top adviser to presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump, denied on Sunday that the campaign has anything to worry about, despite two recent polls that show Trump lagging behind Democrat Hillary Clinton and despite the GOP candidate having a far less established campaign structure than his rival.

Chuck Todd, host of NBC’s “Meet the Press,” asked Manafort whether he would acknowledge that Trump’s campaign is outmatched by Clinton’s in organization and in the polls.

“No,” Manafort said. “Because what you’re trying to do is compare an 800-person organization in Brooklyn of Mrs. Clinton’s with an integrated system of the [Republican National Committee] and the Trump campaign, which doesn’t appear on a FEC report.”

huffingtonpost.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:01:04am

re: #680 blueraven

Also, Obama approval/disapproval at 56-41 vs last month 47-51

I always thought that last WaPo/ABC poll was somewhat of an outlier. And I still do, but it does show Bernie voters coming home. Only 13% say they will vote Trump vs 20% last month.

13% is still too many, but I expect that number will get better as we get closer to Nov.

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The R/D/I split favors D’s a little bit more in this poll vs last ABC poll, but not nearly enough to account for the better numbers for Hillary.

June

May:

Thanks I was looking for the splits. So yeah I stand by what I said, Trump reacted like a brat to these results and called them bs because they didn’t look good for him.

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Double Dumbass  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:01:06am

re: #639 Dark_Falcon

I can believe Clinton +5, but +12 represents a skewed poll.

You have to look further than the spread to determine if the sample is skewed. Have you looked at the crosstabs or raw data?

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Teukka  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:01:56am

re: #673 FormerDirtDart

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Oh for fuck’s sake… :(
*SMGDH*

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Double Dumbass  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:01:56am

re: #639 Dark_Falcon

I can believe Clinton +5, but +12 represents a skewed poll.

Polls aren’t prophecy, they’re a best guess. That’s why aggregates are considered more informative.

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Jay C  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:01:59am

re: #656 Not a Sparkly Vampire

You’re determined to go down with the SS GOP.
Why?

Actually, D_F is right, here: I’ll freely admit to being virtually innumerate when it comes to statistics, but even I know that to get a clearer idea of an average for aggregated numbers (like the polls in #564), one should lop off the outliers on the high and low ends to account for possible errors/skewing.

That said, when I did that to the polls numbers above, it still comes out to Hillary Clinton +7.1 . Good news for John McCain!

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Stanley Sea  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:02:05am

Jake’s gonna get sued!

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:02:32am

Dark, your friend has some advice about how to interpret Donald Trump’s poll numbers.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:03:10am

Trump’s campaign is doing so badly that even the Iraqi information minister would be like: “Fuck you guys, even I can’t make this look good!”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:03:33am

re: #691 I Would Prefer Not To

Dark, your friend has some advice about ho to interpret Donald Trump’s poll numbers.

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I don’t do Twitter but can y’all RT that at him in masse on election day when the Republicans are soundly rejected at the polls?

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Double Dumbass  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:03:55am

re: #659 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Anywho, how goes things everyone?

Humbug!

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Danack  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:04:10am

re: #639 Dark_Falcon

I can believe Clinton +5, but +12 represents a skewed poll.

So….you’re saying we need to unskew the polls?

btw it’s not even that much of an outlier

Reuters/Ipsos 6/18 - 6/22 Clinton +10
Bloomberg* 6/10 - 6/13 Clinton +12
CNN/ORC 4/28 - 5/1 Clinton +13

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:05:11am

re: #695 Danack

So….you’re saying we need to unskew the polls?

btw it’s not even that much of an outlier

Reuters/Ipsos 6/18 - 6/22 Clinton +10
Bloomberg* 6/10 - 6/13 Clinton +12
CNN/ORC 4/28 - 5/1 Clinton +13

Yeah if it were the only one with her over ten, I’d understand the point but it’s not. And Trump keeps on saying more and more outrageous shit.

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Great White Snark  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:05:37am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:05:46am

re: #673 FormerDirtDart

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Tigger2  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:05:52am

re: #675 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:06:29am

re: #692 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump’s campaign is doing so badly that even the Iraqi information minister would be like: “Fuck you guys, even I can’t make this look good!”

Baghdad Bob’s press releases were just the usual spin until we started seeing tanks Downtown on CNN, then they became really pathetic. Hillary Clinton has tanks Downtown.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:06:32am

re: #686 b_sharp

You have to look further than the spread to determine if the sample is skewed. Have you looked at the crosstabs or raw data?

Sure you are aware that gut feelings outweigh actual data?
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Basically, argument from personal incredulity is fallacious.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:06:39am

re: #697 Great White Snark

In response to #BabesForTrump

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One is slimy and slithers about, the other is a common snake.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:07:00am

re: #697 Great White Snark

Join Or D… hey wait a minute.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:07:32am

re: #698 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sigh. Fucking assholes.

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blueraven  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:08:01am

re: #689 Jay C

Actually, D_F is right, here: I’ll freely admit to being virtually innumerate when it comes to statistics, but even I know that to get a clearer idea of an average for aggregated numbers (like the polls in #564), one should lop off the outliers on the high and low ends to account for possible errors/skewing.

That said, when I did that to the polls numbers above, it still comes out to Hillary Clinton +7.1 . Good news for John McCain!

That doesn’t mean the poll is “skewed”. It may be an outlier just as last months same poll that had Trump ahead by 2 probably was. But outliers are sometimes correct.
And yes, an average of polls is the best bet overall.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:08:03am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:08:06am

Apologies to everyone, but it really pisses me off when Republicans go out of there way to make it harder to vote. These bills take time and money. Just the other day someone was saying Democrats waste time and money on protests, but spending on bills that make it harder to vote and defending them in court is OK.

leaving now to help GF with work stuff.

I will return latter.

Thanks for all the fish

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:08:48am

re: #684 Skip Intro

So Manafort just specifically stated they’re skirting FEC regulations because WINNING.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:08:48am

re: #689 Jay C

Actually, D_F is right, here: I’ll freely admit to being virtually innumerate when it comes to statistics, but even I know that to get a clearer idea of an average for aggregated numbers (like the polls in #564), one should lop off the outliers on the high and low ends to account for possible errors/skewing.

That said, when I did that to the polls numbers above, it still comes out to Hillary Clinton +7.1 . Good news for John McCain!

If you’re doing an average (either mean or median) you don’t automatically lop off outliers, without a compelling reason to do so. That’s more a layman’s ‘seat of the pants’ approach with no particular validity.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:09:25am
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:09:35am

re: #706 Backwoods_Sleuth

They might do it. Historically speaking they have been independents.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:09:38am

re: #707 I Would Prefer Not To

Apologies to everyone, but it really pisses me off when Republicans go out of there way to make it harder to vote. These bills take time and money. Just the other day someone was saying Democrats waste time and money on protests, but spending on bills that make it harder to vote and defending them in court is OK.

leaving now to help GF with work stuff.

I will return latter.

Thanks for all the fish

No apologies necessary on that one. See my post about the crap the local Republicans pulled when I was in college. They went out of their way to make it harder for students to vote. Cynical as it sounds, I know the reason for it.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:10:04am

re: #666 HappyWarrior

That’s his way. Acts like he doesn’t know who someone is when they’re an inconvenience for him.

Sounds like someone here right now.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:10:15am

re: #710 jaunte

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Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:10:23am

re: #710 jaunte

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Corker’s right, it did show how even pale white people can hate Trump just as much as racial minorities.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:10:47am

re: #705 blueraven

That doesn’t mean the poll is “skewed”. It may be an outlier just as last months same poll that had Trump ahead by 2 probably was. But outliers are sometimes correct.
And yes, an average of polls is the best bet overall.

I used to keep a running mental average of the polls I saw, figure that was about 2% pessimistic for the Democrat, and I was right on. That fell apart in 2004. I don’t know what’s going on with the fucking polls any more….

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:11:05am
“I thought it was one of his best events. I’m sorry — I know I’m an outlier,” Corker said.
“Here he was as a business person, an outsider who happened to be in the country right after the ‘Brexit’ vote had taken place, supporting his children and demonstrating that he was an outsider,” Corker said, noting that he’d watched Trump’s news conference live.
cnn.com

Time for these people to stop treating Trump like a promising ten year old.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:12:01am

He demonstrated he was an outsider! Isn’t that the most darling thing!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:12:30am

re: #717 jaunte

Time for these people to stop treating Trump like a promising ten year old.

Just wait until he goes in the potty for the first time.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:13:02am

re: #718 jaunte

He demonstrated he was an outsider! Isn’t that the most darling thing!

Meanwhile Obama goes abroad anywhere and they immediately without even listening ot what he says conclude he’s apologizing.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:13:40am

re: #718 jaunte

re: #719 HappyWarrior

I would like to see some of these folks take that Trump person to the woodshed.

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Alephnaught  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:14:08am

re: #706 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Holy shit.

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KingKenrod  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:14:30am

The poll is horrible news for Trump. It shows Clinton gaining among Dems, Independents, and in the GOP(!) while Trump is losing support from all three groups. He’s down 8 points in his own party (from May to June he went from 85 to 77%).

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:14:36am

“One of his best events”
Grading on the curve of Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:14:54am

bless her heart…

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Double Dumbass  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:16:29am

re: #709 Blind Frog Belly White

If you’re doing an average (either mean or median) you don’t automatically lop off outliers, without a compelling reason to do so. That’s more a layman’s ‘seat of the pants’ approach with no particular validity.

You talk to the outlier’s parents and friends to determine if it has been unduly affected by a butterfly flapping its wings in south america.

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Ming5000  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:16:55am
Bernie - Icarus Descending Barry Blitt New Yorker
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:17:00am

re: #720 HappyWarrior

Meanwhile Obama goes abroad anywhere and they immediately without even listening ot what he says conclude he’s apologizing.

“Good evening, Mr. Prime Minister, Cabinet Members, and Members of Parliament, and honored guests. Sorry I’m late…”

ANOTHER OBAMAPOLOGY!!!!

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Teukka  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:17:09am

re: #726 b_sharp

You talk to the outlier’s parents and friends to determine if it has been unduly affected by a butterfly flapping its wings in south america.

Or a cricket farting in New Zealand.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:17:19am

re: #706 Backwoods_Sleuth

Boom.

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Double Dumbass  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:17:21am

re: #719 HappyWarrior

Just wait until he goes in the potty for the first time.

He pays for wipers.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:17:28am

re: #725 Backwoods_Sleuth

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bless her heart…

Most of the time, they’re right. If Republicans want Democrats not ot call them bigoted, it’s very simple, stop acting bigoted. Stop suggesting black people are voting Democratic because teh want free stuff, stop acting because at one point in history your party was actually decent on race relations that means their total regression to what they are now is something that can be ignored, and stop scapegoating immigrants.

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stpaulbear  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:17:43am

re: #727 Ming5000

Boxer shorts for the win.

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Great White Snark  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:17:58am

re: #702 HappyWarrior

One is slimy and slithers about, the other is a common snake.

The common factor is venomous. ;-)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:18:42am

re: #728 Blind Frog Belly White

“Good evening, Mr. Prime Minister, Cabinet Members, and Members of Parliament, and honored guests. Sorry I’m late…”

ANOTHER OBAMAPOLOGY!!!!

AMERICAN PRESIDENTS DON”T APOLOGIZE FOR TARDINESS

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:19:27am

re: #734 Great White Snark

The common factor is venomous. ;-)

Not all snakes though but all Donald John Trumps born io Fred Trump of New York in June 1946.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:20:25am

re: #715 HappyWarrior

Corker’s right, it did show how even pale white people can hate Trump just as much as racial minorities.

Like I said the other day, I wonder how white supremacists, who see the Scots as a sort of mythical ideal, will feel about Scotland breaking way from England to stay with the EU.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:20:28am

Text message from the HRC. On this day, a year ago the USSC ruled in favor of SSM. And a kind note to Mr. Hoft, SMOTI without the help of one conservative Supreme Court Justice.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:21:04am

re: #737 Blind Frog Belly White

Like I said the other day, I wonder how white supremacists, who see the Scots as a sort of mythical ideal, will feel about Scotland breaking way from England to stay with the EU.

I do wonder about that too. That was a good observation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:21:34am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:21:35am

re: #739 HappyWarrior

I do wonder about that too. That was a good observation.

Time to break out ‘No True Scotsman!’, I suppose.

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Alephnaught  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:22:08am

Things are really kicking off in the UK Labour Party

“Labour in crisis: Tom Watson criticises Hilary Benn sacking”

gu.com

Tom Watson, Labour’s deputy leader, is to meet Jeremy Corbyn to discuss ways to “hold the party together” after eight senior members of the shadow cabinet resigned in protest against the current leadership.

Watson said he was “deeply disappointed” by Corbyn’s decision to sack Hilary Benn in the early hours of Sunday morning, which came after it emerged the shadow foreign secretary was involved in a coup against the leader.

A string of Labour MPs have since resigned from the shadow cabinet in an apparent coup against Corbyn, triggered by the result of the EU referendum and the leader’s decision to dismiss Benn.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:22:09am

re: #737 Blind Frog Belly White

Like I said the other day, I wonder how white supremacists, who see the Scots as a sort of mythical ideal, will feel about Scotland breaking way from England to stay with the EU.

No True Scotsman.

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stpaulbear  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:22:22am

re: #706 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wonder what the chances are that if England backs away from leaving the EU that Scotland is just going to say FU and vote for separation from England anyway?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:22:29am

re: #741 Blind Frog Belly White

Time to break out ‘No True Scotsman!’, I suppose.

Literally hahaha. Just like I bet Ireland voting overwhelmingly yes on SSM probably chafed Bill Donohue’s ass.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:22:51am

No EU Scotsman

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:23:04am

re: #744 stpaulbear

Wonder what the chances are that if England backs away from leaving the EU that Scotland is just going to say FU and vote for separation from England anyway?

I wouldn’t blame them at all.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:23:25am

re: #741 Blind Frog Belly White

re: #743 jaunte

Great minds, and all that.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:23:35am

re: #740 Backwoods_Sleuth

I could not have said that better.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:23:38am

Oops

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:23:45am

Don’t think I’d seen this breakdown before:

Wow—the turnout numbers are staggering. And remind me of something here in the US—something about a revolution or similar…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:24:08am

re: #680 blueraven

13% is still too many, but I expect that number will get better as we get closer to Nov.

This is how they make a horse race out of it: show Hillary way in the lead and then a major news flash whenever DT gains a few tents of a percentage point somewhere.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:24:12am

re: #746 SoundGuy 2016

Eeeeeew!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:24:19am

BTW having difficulty seeing how Cardiff voted. Wales voted to leave but Wales was much closer than England was.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:24:23am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:25:12am

re: #750 jaunte

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Oops

“Life is hard. It’s harder when you’re stupid.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:25:21am

re: #750 jaunte

Nothing will change until the UK officially votes to leave within the next two years.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:26:01am

re: #737 Blind Frog Belly White

Like I said the other day, I wonder how white supremacists, who see the Scots as a sort of mythical ideal, will feel about Scotland breaking way from England to stay with the EU.

The Scots will go back to being blue-painted savages.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:26:05am

re: #755 Backwoods_Sleuth

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For fuck sakes.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:26:39am

So GB went back to 1950 as well?
e_e

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Jay C  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:26:44am

re: #698 Backwoods_Sleuth

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From what I’ve read in many recent British media accounts, British xenophobes and bigots are often somewhat colorblind in their hatemongering. While blacks and “Asians” are the typical/usual targets, apparently there is an enormous reservoir of venom reserved for Eastern Europeans as well: Poles in particular.
Not sure precisely why: it seems to be more an issue of economic competition (I think large numbers of Poles have come to the UK seeking jobs) than simple “racism”; though the results are often the same.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:26:55am

re: #751 BeachDem

Don’t think I’d seen this breakdown before:

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Wow—the turnout numbers are staggering. And remind me of something here in the US—something about a revolution or similar…

I hadn’t. 36%? WTF. No longer my demo anymore but goddamn it kids. But yeah that gets at another thought.

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:27:14am

re: #593 b_sharp

No proof, but some indicative evidence such as the attempts at gerrymandering and the heavily biased voting laws enacted in GOP lead states.

Asking for proof before any outcomes of a predictive hypothesis are seen is a useless question.

Thank you!

(That’s all Imma gonna say about that. Too frustrated by it all, and I want to be nice on a Sunday)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:27:28am

re: #751 BeachDem

Don’t think I’d seen this breakdown before:

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Wow—the turnout numbers are staggering. And remind me of something here in the US—something about a revolution or similar…

Once again, though, turnout is inversely proportional to age. So Millennials voted overwhelmingly to Remain, or at least it WOULD have been overwhelming if they’d bothered to fucking VOTE!

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Double Dumbass  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:27:49am

re: #758 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The Scots will go back to being blue-painted savages.

Is that why the Enlightenment leans liberal?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:28:16am

re: #761 Jay C

From what I’ve read in many recent British media accounts, British xenophobes and bigots are often somewhat colorblind in their hatemongering. While blacks and “Asians” are the typical/usual targets, apparently there is an enormous reservoir of venom reserved for Eastern Europeans as well: Poles in particular.
Not sure precisely why: it seems to be more an issue of economic competition (I think large numbers of Poles have come to the UK seeking jobs) than simple “racism”; though the results are often the same.

Eastern Europeans are probably best compared to Hispanics in our environment. It is racism though. Remember, Hitler was fond of calling Slavs “Asianatic.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:28:53am

re: #760 Not a Sparkly Vampire

So GB went back to 1950 as well?
e_e

How long before ‘Bloody Wogs!’ is revived?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:29:29am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:30:10am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:30:39am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:30:43am

re: #758 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The Scots will go back to being blue-painted savages.

They will go back to being people who have actually read and understood their fellow countryman Adam Smith: that markets are there to serve the people, not the other way around.

And that markets need to be regulated in order to function for the benefit of all participants, not just the producers.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:30:52am

re: #768 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah I’m going to remember this next time some white supremacist asshole suggests that whites need to “unite”.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:31:09am

re: #755 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s been like that here in the US for quite a long time—encouraged by Republicans, Fox News, Hate radio and right wing pulpit pimps!

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:31:20am

re: #762 HappyWarrior

I hadn’t. 36%? WTF. No longer my demo anymore but goddamn it kids. But yeah that gets at another thought.

Final #BrexitVote turnout breakdown, via @SkyNews:

18-24: 36%
25-34: 58%
35-44: 72%
45-54: 75%
55-64: 81%
65+: 83%

Adding how they voted probably gives a clearer pic of what went wrong.

The older the voters, the more likely they were to have voted to leave the EU. Nearly three quarters (73%) of 18 to 24 year-olds voted to remain, falling to under two thirds (62%) among 35-44s. A majority of those aged over 45 voted to leave, rising to 60% of those aged 65 or over.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:31:47am

re: #770 Backwoods_Sleuth

That breaks my heart too. Very sad.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:31:48am

re: #769 Backwoods_Sleuth

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But it’s not about racism. Oh, no. It’s all about anger at a political elite disconnected from the common man.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:32:19am

re: #774 BeachDem

Final #BrexitVote turnout breakdown, via @SkyNews:

18-24: 36%
25-34: 58%
35-44: 72%
45-54: 75%
55-64: 81%
65+: 83%

Adding how they voted probably gives a clearer pic of what went wrong.

The older the voters, the more likely they were to have voted to leave the EU. Nearly three quarters (73%) of 18 to 24 year-olds voted to remain, falling to under two thirds (62%) among 35-44s. A majority of those aged over 45 voted to leave, rising to 60% of those aged 65 or over.

So frustrating. Leave wouldn’t have had a chance in hell if young people could just vote.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:33:18am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:33:25am

re: #776 Blind Frog Belly White

But it’s not about racism. Oh, no. It’s all about anger at a political elite disconnected from the common man.

Yep, I’m getting tired of seeing the left excuse racism disguised as anger at big business.

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No Country For Old Haters  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:33:57am

re: #776 Blind Frog Belly White

But it’s not about racism. Oh, no. It’s all about anger at a political elite disconnected from the common man.

The common, racist man.

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Lidane  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:34:33am

Fun times ahead for the pro-Brexit idiots:

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:37:54am

re: #602 Dark_Falcon

And Trump will draw more support in places like Pennsylvania and give Clinton heartburn where she doesn’t expect it. This isn’t a typical election and the definition of ‘battleground’ is likely to shift.

You say you are not going to vote for Trump, but here you are giving reasons for Hillary heartburn.

Perfectly willing to cheer on a candidate you “are not going to vote for.

Your party is not even sure he is the candidate and you are laying out possibilities.

I don’t know, but it kind of says you are all in on Trump. Your actions do not meet your words.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:38:10am

I am depressed now.
Thanks, Britain.
Sigh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:38:15am
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MsJ  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:38:40am

re: #781 Lidane

Fun times ahead for the pro-Brexit idiots:

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And now they’re negotiating from a point of weakness.

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sagehen  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:39:11am

re: #744 stpaulbear

Wonder what the chances are that if England backs away from leaving the EU that Scotland is just going to say FU and vote for separation from England anyway?

The only way the EU will let UK back away… is if they renegotiate for stronger ties and more entanglement than the previous special deal they thought they could skip out on.

When somebody tries to break a contract and three days later says “so sorry I didn’t mean it really”… you need a tighter contract before you’ll trust they really mean it this time.

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KGxvi  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:39:25am

re: #761 Jay C

From what I’ve read in many recent British media accounts, British xenophobes and bigots are often somewhat colorblind in their hatemongering. While blacks and “Asians” are the typical/usual targets, apparently there is an enormous reservoir of venom reserved for Eastern Europeans as well: Poles in particular.
Not sure precisely why: it seems to be more an issue of economic competition (I think large numbers of Poles have come to the UK seeking jobs) than simple “racism”; though the results are often the same.

As we’ve seen in US history, what is considered “white” is always a bit… fluid. When the Irish came, they were not white. Nor were the Italians, or those from Scandinavia. I’m sure there were some who were suspicious of zee Germans, as well. But now they all qualify as white to all but the most racist among the alt-right.

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Double Dumbass  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:40:02am

re: #782 ObserverArt

You say you are not going to vote for Trump, but here you are giving reasons for Hillary heartburn.

Perfectly willing to cheer on a candidate you “are not going to vote for.

Your party is not even sure he is the candidate and you are laying out possibilities.

I don’t know, but it kind of says you are all in on Trump. Your actions do not meet your words.

I think D_F is being pedantic. Overly precise. I don’t equate it with cheering.

I tend to do the same thing.

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TedStriker  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:40:25am

re: #781 Lidane

Fun times ahead for the pro-Brexit idiots:

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With every country on Earth that the UK has trade relations with, including us.

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KGxvi  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:41:42am

re: #789 TedStriker

With every country on Earth that the UK has trade relations with, including us.

this would make Texit even more fun. Imagine Abbott trying to negotiate 130 trade agreements…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:42:10am

re: #788 b_sharp

I think D_F is being pedantic. Overly precise. I don’t equate it with cheering.

I tend to do the same thing.

I’ll have to agree with you here. I think he’s very wrong about Pennsylvania in any case.

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sagehen  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:42:26am

re: #761 Jay C

apparently there is an enormous reservoir of venom reserved for Eastern Europeans as well: Poles in particular.
Not sure precisely why:

Because Poles and other Eastern Europeans look like they might be white people, they’re tricksy that way.

//

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Joe Bacon  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:43:01am

re: #790 KGxvi

this would make Texit even more fun. Imagine Abbott trying to negotiate 130 trade agreements…

Knowing how stupid and deluded Abbott is—he’d have Joel 0$teen negotiate those deals!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:43:14am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:43:16am

re: #787 KGxvi

As we’ve seen in US history, what is considered “white” is always a bit… fluid. When the Irish came, they were not white. Nor were the Italians, or those from Scandinavia. I’m sure there were some who were suspicious of zee Germans, as well. But now they all qualify as white to all but the most racist among the alt-right.

Correct. And you didn’t even bring up how religion influenced that as well.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:43:37am

re: #792 sagehen

Because Poles and other Eastern Europeans look like they might be white people, they’re tricksy that way.

Some of us can even tan a little!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:43:53am

re: #796 Not a Sparkly Vampire

McConnell won’t say if Trump is qualified for presidency

McConnell is a chickenshit.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:44:36am

re: #794 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Agree with that.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:45:16am

re: #785 MsJ

And now they’re negotiating from a point of weakness.

I keep thinking of a sound clip I used to have in windows (remember when you could make your own windows sounds?), which I think was a clip from MST3K -

“Sorry, sorry, I only meant to blow up that one thing, sorry!”

I have some hope that the referendum isn’t binding, and they’ll find a procedural way to backtrack and scuttle the idea. Then we can all get back to reality.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:45:24am

re: #798 HappyWarrior

McConnell is a chickenshit.

If McConnell had any working brain cells left in his head he’d give in on Garland. But he won’t. And he’s going to pay for it when a bunch of GOP rubber stamp Senators go down in November!

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KGxvi  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:45:40am

re: #795 HappyWarrior

Correct. And you didn’t even bring up how religion influenced that as well.

Religion probably plays a bigger role in the UK, though it does matter when it comes to predominantly Catholic populations in the US. On the other hand, the history of the United Kingdom could basically be boiled down to:

And then the Protestants and Catholics did a bunch of shitty stuff to each other.

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Skip Intro  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:46:12am

re: #796 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Won’t he at least say he’ll work to make sure he only gets one term? He’s already done that for another guy after all.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:47:27am

re: #802 KGxvi

Religion probably plays a bigger role in the UK, though it does matter when it comes to predominantly Catholic populations in the US. On the other hand, the history of the United Kingdom could basically be boiled down to:

Well remember as recently as 1960, Catholics were suspect by many Protestants in this country. It’s not as bad here I concede but Anti-Catholicism definitely played a role in how Americans viewed immigrants. Irish Protestants were viewed less negatively than Irish Catholics for example, same thing with Germans. Say that as someone who comes from both Irish Catholic and German Protestant stock by the way.

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TedStriker  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:47:40am

re: #794 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Exactly.

The Brexit win has given UKIP and BNP supporters real political power and now they’re feeling their oats.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:48:12am

re: #801 Joe Bacon

If McConnell had any working brain cells left in his head he’d give in on Garland. But he won’t. And he’s going to pay for it when a bunch of GOP rubber stamp Senators go down in November!

He won’t because he’s a partisan hack.

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Double Dumbass  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:48:30am

re: #797 HappyWarrior

Some of us can even tan a little!

What’s that? Does it have anything to do with turning bright red from the sun?

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:48:41am

re: #776 Blind Frog Belly White

But it’s not about racism. Oh, no. It’s all about anger at a political elite disconnected from the common man.

Or, from Charles P. Pierce (one column of many in)

It Is Never About Race: A Continuing Series

Because it’s never about race. Ever.

This one from 2014 about the killing of John Crawford tells the ongoing story quite succinctly.

esquire.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:49:16am

re: #807 b_sharp

What’s that? Does it have anything to do with turning bright red from the sun?

Yeah, I’ll tell you about it sometime.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:50:40am

re: #806 HappyWarrior

He won’t because he’s a partisan hack.

It’s going to be delightful when all those Teabaggers who got in the Senate with the 2010 wave get flushed out in November.

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KGxvi  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:51:54am

re: #796 Not a Sparkly Vampire

McConnell won’t say if Trump is qualified for presidency

That’s one of those questions that if you can’t answer it, we all know what the answer is.

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Lidane  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:52:52am

re: #790 KGxvi

this would make Texit even more fun. Imagine Abbott trying to negotiate 130 trade agreements…

If Texas ever passes a secession act in my lifetime, I will do everything I can to stay an American citizen. I won’t go down with the Texas Republicans.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:53:31am
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Great White Snark  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:53:40am

re: #812 Lidane

I honestly think getting hit by a comet is a far higher risk for Texans.

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Teukka  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:54:45am
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:55:07am

re: #813 The Vicious Babushka

This is not good.

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:57:06am

Damn threads are flying the last couple days. I can’t keep up.

Has the fact Fallujah is ISIS free now been mentioned?

This is good right, and all the Republicans are happy, right?

Aljazeera - Iraqi army claims liberation of Fallujah from ISIL

Iraqi army claims liberation of Fallujah from ISIL
Commander says government forces now in city’s al-Julan neighbourhood, the last area to remain under ISIL control.

A senior Iraqi commander has declared that the city of Fallujah is “fully liberated” from the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) group, after a military operation lasting more than a month.

Iraqi troops have entered the northwestern al-Julan neighbourhood, the last area of Fallujah to remain under ISIL control, the head of the counterterrorism forces in the operation, Lieutenant-General Abdul-Wahab al-Saadi said on Sunday.

Al-Saadi said the operation, which began late May, “is done and the city is fully liberated”.

The Iraqi army was backed by US-led coalition air strikes and paramilitary forces, mostly Shia units.

“From the centre of al-Julan neighbourhood, we congratulate the Iraqi people and the commander in chief … and declare that the Fallujah fight is over,” he told Iraqi state TV, flanked by military officers and soldiers.

Some of the soldiers were shooting in the air, chanting and waving the Iraqi flag.

Fallujah, in Anbar province, has been under the control of ISIL, also known as ISIS, since January 2014.

The city, about 65km west of the capita Baghdad, was the first city to fall to ISIL.

- - CUT - - More at link

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Lidane  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:57:18am
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Jenner7  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:57:20am
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KGxvi  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:57:24am

re: #812 Lidane

If Texas ever passes a secession act in my lifetime, I will do everything I can to stay an American citizen. I won’t go down with the Texas Republicans.

My guess is the only possible way any state secedes is if things get so bad that we end up having a constitutional convention. A new constitution with some states ratifying and other states rejecting it is about the only way I see secession being successful (since we did once fight a war that was at least partially about the issue of secession).

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:58:11am

re: #755 Backwoods_Sleuth

To the person who Tweeted that,

Have you considered taking that person by the scruff of the neck and tossing him out the window?

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2016 • 10:59:31am

re: #740 Backwoods_Sleuth

George Will on Trump: “He has an advantage on me, because he can say everything he knows about any subject in 140 characters and I can’t.”

I’m by no means a fan of Will, but that a pretty nice burn.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:01:00am

re: #765 b_sharp

Is that why the Enlightenment leans liberal?

Case in point. One of the leading and most important intellectuals of the Enlightenment was Scottish.

Edited because I just got up from a nap and my brain isn’t working yet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:01:40am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:02:42am

re: #812 Lidane

If Texas ever passes a secession act in my lifetime, I will do everything I can to stay an American citizen. I won’t go down with the Texas Republicans.

Please. secession movements are all about posturing and grandstanding. Those fools can’t even spell the word, much less put it through

secdee!

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Alephnaught  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:04:15am

re: #770 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh for fucks sake.

I do hope my fellow Glaswegians are creative as they usually are in disfiguring these stickers. Changing the “W” in the second sticker to an “S”, for example.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:08:41am

re: #788 b_sharp

I think D_F is being pedantic. Overly precise. I don’t equate it with cheering.

I tend to do the same thing.

Disagree.

He’s justifying his vote in advance by hyping himself on how terrible Hillary is, which will give him justification for casting a vote for a man who he once said he would ‘never vote for.’

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:09:29am

re: #827 Alephnaught

Good idea. I prefer a nice wide stripe of paint on both.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:12:20am

re: #750 jaunte

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Oops

God, it’s like an international organization doesn’t want freeloaders mooching off of them.

Who could have imagined?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:12:23am

How’s your stomach?

Fuck you very very much
Canadian Kiddie Murderers Sentenced To All-Natural Wrist-Slap

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KGxvi  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:14:00am

re: #770 Backwoods_Sleuth

I do find it funny that the neo-nazi in the poster on the right has his face covered. Really kind of speaks volumes about how acceptable their ideology really is (hint: if you have to hide behind a mask or pseudonyms, you’re on the wrong side).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:14:47am

re: #832 KGxvi

I do find it funny that the neo-nazi in the poster on the right has his face covered. Really kind of speaks volumes about how acceptable their ideology really is (hint: if you have to hide behind a mask or pseudonyms, you’re on the wrong side).

Just look at Darth Vader…

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:15:14am

re: #827 Alephnaught

Considering this is Glasgow, if the people who did this are found, they will be eating through a straw for the rest of their lives.

Glasgow has a reputation.

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blueraven  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:16:34am

LOL

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KGxvi  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:18:58am

I laughed a little too hard at this:

Instagram

Amazing!
Final days to support my Kickstarter: organattack.com

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Timothy Watson  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:19:16am

re: #835 blueraven

LOL

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Scotty will drink to that.
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Tigger2  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:19:23am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:21:03am

re: #832 KGxvi

I do find it funny that the neo-nazi in the poster on the right has his face covered. Really kind of speaks volumes about how acceptable their ideology really is (hint: if you have to hide behind a mask or pseudonyms, you’re on the wrong side).

David Futrelle had some charming Brexit tweets on We Hunted the Mammoth the other day, including this one:

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:22:01am

re: #718 jaunte

He demonstrated he was an outsider! Isn’t that the most darling thing!

Seems to be the only remaining plus to use to push Trump as a candidate. He’s not one of us! That’s good right?

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:23:18am

re: #837 Timothy Watson

The only person wearing a red shirt in Star Trek who survived more than a single episode.

Shows how tough the Scots are.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:25:32am

re: #841 Romantic Heretic

The only person wearing a red shirt in Star Trek who survived more than a single episode.

Shows how tough the Scots are.

Did they ever explain how red and baby-shit yellow switched roles between then and The Next Generation?

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Ming5000  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:29:44am

re: #674 Dark_Falcon

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:30:56am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:31:07am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:32:56am
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jaunte  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:33:18am

re: #845 Backwoods_Sleuth

Paweł Kuczyński

theguardian.com

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KGxvi  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:34:04am

re: #842 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Did they ever explain how red and baby-shit yellow switched roles between then and The Next Generation?

They had a tendency to switch up uniforms quite a bit. There were more than a few changes during the movies. I think the changes were discussed some in the books.

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:35:25am

re: #798 HappyWarrior

McConnell is a chickenshit.

Turtle tastes like chicken I have been told.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:35:35am

Brunch!~

Instagram

Sundays are for brunching! Join us every Sunday as early as 9 a.m. for brunch! We offer an eclectic brunch menu of breakfast classics, elevated with a Macallans twist! Join us for something intriguing like our Wake & Bake fries! #macallans #macallanspub #macallanspublichouse #whisky #whiskey #bourbon #scotch #irishfood #irishpub #foodbeast #eeeeeats #dailyfoodfeed #cocktails #brea

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:35:50am
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:38:01am

re: #851 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ms Rowling has a way with words. /half

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:39:36am

re: #842 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Did they ever explain how red and baby-shit yellow switched roles between then and The Next Generation?

Memory Alpha: Starfleet Uniform

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:39:52am

O_o

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KGxvi  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:42:45am

re: #852 PhillyPretzel

Ms Rowling has a way with words. /half

The Doctor (and the Bard) agrees:

Expelliarmus! William Shakespeare Vs The Carrionites - The Shakespeare Code - Doctor Who - BBC

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Ming5000  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:44:35am

re: #853 FormerDirtDart

I gave it a bite, but, TMI

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:45:09am

re: #851 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So, Republicans.

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Teukka  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:45:39am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:46:31am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:47:28am

re: #854 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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Heritage still upset that you can’t piss in food?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:47:48am

re: #859 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Cornyn’s a goner. Oops that’s CorByn.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:48:52am

re: #861 HappyWarrior

Cornyn’s a goner.

I wish. But I think he’s safe in Texas. ;)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:50:32am

re: #862 Barefoot Grin

I wish. But I think he’s safe in Texas. ;)

Jeremy not John.

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blueraven  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:50:54am

re: #863 HappyWarrior

Jeremy not John.

Corbyn

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 11:51:26am

re: #864 blueraven

Corbyn

Yeah I just realized that. My bad.

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Double Dumbass  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:04:48pm

re: #831 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

How’s your stomach?

Fuck you very very much
Canadian Kiddie Murderers Sentenced To All-Natural Wrist-Slap

This Canadian is quite pissed at the sentence.

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palomino  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:45:26pm

re: #639 Dark_Falcon

I can believe Clinton +5, but +12 represents a skewed poll.

How the fuck would you know? Are you a pollster in your free time?


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