Neo-Nazis and Anti-Fascist Protesters Clash in Sacramento; Multiple Injuries Reported

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In California, confrontations between neo-Nazi groups and anti-fascist protesters have been getting increasingly violent lately, and today in Sacramento at a rally organized by the “Traditionalist Worker Party” multiple people were stabbed and beaten.

The Traditionalist Working Party — which supposedly has ties to white supremacy groups — held a permitted rally at the Capitol Sunday afternoon. The group was met by counter protestors. According to the Sacramento Police Department, multiple people were injured and an unconfirmed number were stabbed.

The Sacramento Police Department is advising motorists to take alternative routes if traveling near the capitol this afternoon.

Sacramento PD said L Street between 10th and 15th Streets and 10th Street between N and L Streets are closed for traffic control during Capitol protest.

White supremacist Matthew Heimbach tweeted this photo earlier of some of the Nazi knuckle-draggers getting ready for their rally.

Here’s video of the clashes; warning: it’s violent and disturbing.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:32:34pm

Violence isn’t okay on either side. Period.

I understand the feelings about what’s at stake - I’m pretty anti-Nazi, personally - but that doesn’t make violence okay.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:33:43pm
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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:35:37pm

Heimbach’s twitter followers are flooded with Trump supporters.

My surprised face. Let me show you.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:37:08pm

The Traditionalist Worker Party has a very slick website. There’s obviously money coming from somewhere to support these Nazi fucks.

Here’s a Google search page with a link - I don’t want to post a direct link to these creeps.

google.com

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Double Dumbass  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:37:39pm

re: #1 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Violence isn’t okay on either side. Period.

I understand the feelings about what’s at stake - I’m pretty anti-Nazi, personally - but that doesn’t make violence okay.

I suspect the Nazi’s initiated the physical violence. The anti-nazi members might be attacking them vociferously but it would likely be verbal. Nazi’s, at least the common riff-raff, are likely to be predisposed to violent behaviour. They do soak themselves in hate.

Of course, given my recent record, I may be pulling a Bill Kristol.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:37:47pm

re: #3 SoundGuy 2016

Heimbach’s twitter followers are flooded with Trump supporters.

My surprised face. Let me show you.

Click my avatar.

This is really convenient!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:39:55pm

re: #5 b_sharp

I suspect the Nazi’s initiated the physical violence. The anti-nazi members might be attacking them vociferously but it would likely be verbal. Nazi’s, at least the common riff-raff, are likely to be predisposed to violent behaviour. They do soak themselves in hate.

Of course, given my recent record, I may be pulling a Bill Kristol.

I’m not going to make any assumptions here, especially given that I’m aware of my biases. It doesn’t really change the overall point, which is that violence isn’t acceptable, period. Regardless of which side started it.

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:41:09pm

re: #1 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Violence isn’t okay on either side. Period.

I understand the feelings about what’s at stake - I’m pretty anti-Nazi, personally - but that doesn’t make violence okay.

Problem is violence comes when reason goes out the window. Reason is in short supply this year.

This may just be an indication of what is coming at the conventions with national audiences helping drive the desire for a show of violence.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:42:23pm

re: #8 ObserverArt

I agree, reason is in short supply this season. It will be in shorter supply by the end of the summer. Pity.

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Double Dumbass  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:42:38pm

re: #7 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m not going to make any assumptions here, especially given that I’m aware of my biases. It doesn’t really change the overall point, which is that violence isn’t acceptable, period. Regardless of which side started it.

I wasn’t disputing your point. In fact, I agree with it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:43:18pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:44:13pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Number 10 right. Corbyn’s done.

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:44:16pm

OT because we could all do with a larf:

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Jay C  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:44:24pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

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How many does this make, now?

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Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:44:31pm

This guy instantly popped up in my Twitter mentions; check out his profile. He’s masquerading as a black liberal Democrat but his timeline is full of right wing memes — and support for Bernie Sanders. I can’t tell any more whether these Berniebros are real. They just look insane to me.

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MsJ  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:44:45pm

re: #5 b_sharp

I suspect the Nazi’s initiated the physical violence. The anti-nazi members might be attacking them vociferously but it would likely be verbal. Nazi’s, at least the common riff-raff, are likely to be predisposed to violent behaviour. They do soak themselves in hate.

Of course, given my recent record, I may be pulling a Bill Kristol.

I don’t know about that. This reminds me of he canceled Skokie protests. My friends brother (orthodox Jews) was going to attend with his friends - all of whom were bringing baseball bats. He fully knew the consequences and was willing to pay them.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:45:02pm

My concern is that III% types will see counter protesters’ violence as an excuse to bring guns and won’t feel the need for restraint.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:45:48pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

Number 10 right. Corbyn’s done.

Number 12, now, I believe.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:46:20pm

why do I have a feeling we’re gonna see a lot more nazi/white supremacist rallies in this country before the election? Trump has encouraged these people to crawl out of the wood work.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:46:30pm

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

Number 12, now, I believe.

Thanks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:48:53pm
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Nyet  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:49:38pm

1. My optimal idea of free speech does not include Nazi rallies.

2. That said, as long as they are legal, they are legal. And the participants should be left unmolested.

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Alephnaught  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:49:50pm

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

Number 12, now, I believe.

Yeah. Is there anyone left now?

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:51:59pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sarcasm yes but also a double entendre.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:53:53pm

re: #22 Nyet

1. My optimal idea of free speech does not include Nazi rallies.

2. That said, as long as they are legal, they are legal. And the participants should be left unmolested.

3. Counter protests are also legal, but physical harassment is out, period.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:54:17pm

re: #23 Alephnaught

Yeah. Is there anyone left now?

18 still standing with Corbyn.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:55:10pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

This guy instantly popped up in my Twitter mentions; check out his profile. He’s masquerading as a black liberal Democrat but his timeline is full of right wing memes — and support for Bernie Sanders. I can’t tell any more whether these Berniebros are real. They just look insane to me.

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They’re too stupid to realize you can check them out like that. They think they can drop a Nazi Tweet here, a BernieBro Tweet there, and it’s all isolated.

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MsJ  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:56:19pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

Number 10 right. Corbyn’s done.

12, I think.

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MsJ  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:58:28pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

18 still standing with Corbyn.

Parliamentary stuff confused the crap out of me. He’s a known nutter yet 18 stand with him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 1:59:28pm

re: #29 MsJ

Parliamentary stuff confused the crap out of me. He’s a known nutter yet 18 stand with him.

Some of those 18 will be shifting over to join the 12 soonish. Looks like the resignations are coming about one every hour.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:03:23pm

At least seven people were injured - several of whom were stabbed - Sunday when friction between neo-Nazi and counter demonstrators in Sacramento turned violent.

Seven patients were transported to area hospitals, “some with critical trauma stab wounds,” the Sacramento Fire Department said.

The injuries were the result of what the fire department described as a “mass casualty event.”

“It was quite a bit of a melee,” SFD public information officer Chris Harvey told The LA Times.

No arrests had been made as of Sunday afternoon, but the original, permitted neo-Nazi rally was officially cancelled, ABC10 reported. That rally was to include factions from the Traditionalist Workers Party, Golden State Skinheads, Blood & Honor, National Socialist Movement and Ku Klux Klan, CBS reported.

The neo-Nazi group had planned a demonstration for several weeks, The LA Times reported, and counter protesters were evidently well organized and prepared for the event. Many carried signs or banners with slogans such as “Many colors one working class! Smash patriarchy and racism.” Several protesters had their faces covered with black cloth.

The clashes occurred near the State Capitol.

Video shot by an ABC10 reporter of several fights showed the two groups bashing each other with sticks and throwing objects in a violent, chaotic fracas. Blood stains were visible on the ground and several of those involved were bleeding following the fights, including two neo-Nazis visibly bleeding from their heads.

Police officers witnessed a Klan member stab someone with a knife, an officer told CBS. A counter protester was also found stabbed inside a vehicle, CBS reported.

foxnews.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:04:42pm

gaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh

Bernie needs to just go away.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:06:05pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yes he does.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:06:06pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

What an asshole. I’m so done with Bernie Sanders. He’s squandered every last bit of good will I ever had for him.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:06:21pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh

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Bernie needs to just go away.

I find it amusing that the guy who only joined the Democratic party this year is saying that Hillary needs to be more clear which side she’s on.

Amusing because otherwise I will have to have a drink from gdf’s bar again.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:08:05pm

But hey, as a woman I’m pretty unsurprised to see an old white man thinking he needs to lecture the winning female candidate on how to run her campaign in order to make him happy.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:09:09pm

So even if a bill to formally start EU withdrawal proceedings passes Parliament (which looks more doubtful today than yesterday) the Lords can, and probably will, veto it.

Nowadays, Parliament can bypass the Lords’ veto by sending it directly for the Queen’s signature, which has always been just a rubber stamp—but a bill to literally destroy the United Kingdom? Will she sign it? Will they ultimately decide that in the 21st Century they really don’t need the Queen’s signature? Probably—but then that’s the end of the Monarchy. This is going to be quite a show….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:13:58pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:14:16pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:17:44pm

re: #19 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

why do I have a feeling we’re gonna see a lot more nazi/white supremacist rallies in this country before the election? Trump has encouraged these people to crawl out of the wood work.

I think the Republican party shares some responsibility too. Many of these people were interested in the TeaParty too. It has been building.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:18:05pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

This guy instantly popped up in my Twitter mentions; check out his profile. He’s masquerading as a black liberal Democrat but his timeline is full of right wing memes — and support for Bernie Sanders. I can’t tell any more whether these Berniebros are real. They just look insane to me.

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Also, do they have any idea how out of touch they sound bitching about “Communists” in this day and age?

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blueraven  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:18:28pm

Fuck off, Bernie. You are acting like an old fool right now.
You have already been granted much of what you wanted.
But…!
You did not win. You do not get to dictate what the Democratic party looks like.

Go back to Vermont. Go back to the Senate. Just step away from the party politics.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:21:52pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh

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Bernie needs to just go away.

I’ve had with him. Fuck you Bernie.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:22:27pm

re: #36 klys (maker of Silmarils)

But hey, as a woman I’m pretty unsurprised to see an old white man thinking he needs to lecture the winning female candidate on how to run her campaign in order to make him happy.

He’s a fucking asshole. I feel bad that I ever had respect for him.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:25:38pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:26:09pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:27:24pm

I have a feeling Bernie is going to be getting some big heated lectures this week. The problem is he is so full of himself now it won’t matter.

He obviously has rebuked the President’s desire to chill out. I guess that goes to show how he has felt about Obama the whole time.

He is going to get heat at the convention big time. His supporters are not going to like it, but it is coming.

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Teukka  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:28:50pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What I wonder is whether the investigators will dare to follow the leads which go over the Atlantic…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:29:29pm

re: #47 ObserverArt

I have a feeling Bernie is going to be getting some big heated lectures this week. The problem is he is so full of himself now it won’t matter.

He obviously has rebuked the President’s desire to chill out. I guess that goes to show how he has felt about Obama the whole time.

He is going to get heat at the convention big time. His supporters are not going to like it, but it is coming.

He has no respect at all for the coalition of voters that make up the Democratic Party at all. None. He just whines about how white working class voters no longer support the Democratic Party and never questions that those voters have bigoted reasons for not wanting to be part of a party that has African-Americans, women, GLBT, Hispanics, and others in positions of power and influence.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:30:11pm

Simon is trolling Jeremy:

Simon is for Remain but his constituency went over 60% for Leave.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:30:48pm

Another note to Bernie but Clinton campaigned for you when you first ran for Senate. Maybe you forgot that because you’ve had so many admirers tell you that you’re the best thing ever but you had a lot of help from that Democratic establishment you love to bitch about to get to where you are.

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blueraven  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:31:59pm

re: #47 ObserverArt

I have a feeling Bernie is going to be getting some big heated lectures this week. The problem is he is so full of himself now it won’t matter.

He obviously has rebuked the President’s desire to chill out. I guess that goes to show how he has felt about Obama the whole time.

He is going to get heat at the convention big time. His supporters are not going to like it, but it is coming.

It has been obvious he has no respect for POTUS since he suggested a primary challenge for 2012.

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KGxvi  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:32:32pm

re: #22 Nyet

1. My optimal idea of free speech does not include Nazi rallies.

2. That said, as long as they are legal, they are legal. And the participants should be left unmolested.

There is a really interesting question of when political rhetoric becomes fighting words, incitement, or other unprotected speech. As a general rule, I believe Nazis have a right to free speech that includes their intolerant views, I also believe the rest of us have a right to free speech that includes the ability to mock them relentlessly.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:33:05pm

re: #52 blueraven

It has been obvious he has no respect for POTUS since he suggested a primary challenge for 2012.

Showed his respect for everyone’s intelligence too when he suggested that Clinton running in 2008 was the same thing as that too. Bernie’s showing exactly why a lot of people in this country have low opinions of socialists by being a complete asshole.

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KGxvi  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:35:14pm

re: #38 Backwoods_Sleuth

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A look at the first draft:

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:35:44pm

re: #52 blueraven

It has been obvious he has no respect for POTUS since he suggested a primary challenge for 2012.

I’m thinking even earlier. Maybe never.

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William Lewis  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:35:46pm

re: #1 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Violence isn’t okay on either side. Period.

I understand the feelings about what’s at stake - I’m pretty anti-Nazi, personally - but that doesn’t make violence okay.

Unconditionally? If I believed that I could have never earned the Infantry crossed rifles.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:37:06pm
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nines09  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:38:22pm

Things we learned this weekend. Trump has no bottom, he will never hit it, and no one will say that. Bernie Sanders had a vision, a dream, a, fuck it I want to change the rules and the Democratic Party is the problem. Nazis are best seen bloodied and seeking police protection. And Great Britain voted to remove “Great” from their title. What else? Oh. The Scots can slice your liver with words, mere words. And the Irish, even thought they lost to France in futball, showed as a nation, they get it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:38:24pm

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So did Mitt Romney, that never stopped Ben from supporting him. Ben only hates Trump because Trump’s bigoted supporters went after him.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:38:50pm

re: #59 nines09

Things we learned this weekend. Trump has no bottom, he will never hit it, and no one will say that. Bernie Sanders had a vision, a dream, a, fuck it I want to change the rules and the Democratic Party is the problem. Nazis are best seen bloodied and seeking police protection. And Great Britain voted to remove “Great” from their title. What else? Oh. The Scots can slice your liver with words, mere words. And the Irish, even thought they lost to France in futball, showed as a nation, they get it.

It’s been a strange weekend hasn’t it?

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Alephnaught  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:39:21pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

18 still standing with Corbyn.

Well, 18 that haven’t resigned, yet.

Just been on the phone to my husband back home, and we were wondering, given all this turmoil in Labour and the Conservatives, how on earth the Westminster government is going to function properly.

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MsJ  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:39:55pm

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is this Politicon new? I’ve never heard of it before.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:40:16pm

Boris is definitely confused about how things actually work:

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nines09  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:40:19pm

re: #61 HappyWarrior

It’s been a strange weekend hasn’t it?

I’ve seen quite a bit. Historical and personal. Can’t quite figure out these days what I see is because I’m paying attention, or it always was as it is.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:40:44pm

re: #63 MsJ

Is this Politicon new? I’ve never heard of it before.

I was wondering the same. How many political circle jerks do these guys have? CPAC, Value Voters, ?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:41:19pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

Boris is definitely confused about how things actually work:

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Makes him a lot like Trump in that regard. I don’t understand how this man got elected mayor of such a large city as London.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:41:54pm

re: #57 William Lewis

Unconditionally? If I believed that I could have never earned the Infantry crossed rifles.

Context matters.

Given that the cat just managed to close my main browser window with all the tabs I’ve had open, I’m too pissed to provide a more eloquent response beyond that, although if you want to read my words as a pacifistic claim that we should roll over and let the Nazis win, go right ahead.

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Alephnaught  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:42:00pm

re: #59 nines09

Things we learned this weekend. Trump has no bottom, he will never hit it, and no one will say that. Bernie Sanders had a vision, a dream, a, fuck it I want to change the rules and the Democratic Party is the problem. Nazis are best seen bloodied and seeking police protection. And Great Britain voted to remove “Great” from their title. What else? Oh. The Scots can slice your liver with words, mere words. And the Irish, even thought they lost to France in futball, showed as a nation, they get it.

As someone who’s in Dublin at the moment, I can attest to truth of that last one. :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:42:24pm

re: #63 MsJ

Is this Politicon new? I’ve never heard of it before.

There was one last year. Earlier than that, I do not know.

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blueraven  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:42:51pm

re: #57 William Lewis

Unconditionally? If I believed that I could have never earned the Infantry crossed rifles.

The anti-fascist group went to the protest with expressed violence in mind. By any means necessary.

I understand the thinking here, to take it to the hate groups. I just don’t think it will win the day.

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Lidane  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:43:11pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Matthew Heimbach loves him some Hezbollah. Lots of pro-Hezbollah posts on his Twitter feed because he says they arm Christians to fight Jews.

Total bad crazy. Yeesh.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:43:26pm

re: #63 MsJ

Is this Politicon new? I’ve never heard of it before.

It’s for people who hope that by dressing up as a smart person, people will at least congratulate them on the quality of their impersonation and hopefully take pictures of them.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:43:51pm

As far as I can tell at this point—and I just came online about an hour ago, so I’m still catching up—it’s not at all clear how the violence got started or who started it. It’s entirely possible that there were separate skirmishes initiated by different sides.

I agree that violence isn’t acceptable, but self-defense most certainly is. There’s no law I know of in any state of the Union that requires someone who’s being attacked to just stand there and passively take a beat-down. Again, I’m talking about self-defense, not retaliation, which would be as unlawful as the initial assault.

(Lawyers feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:43:59pm

re: #69 Alephnaught

As someone who’s in Dublin at the moment, I can attest to truth of that last one. :)

I’m going to be interesting in seeing how ROI-Scots relations go if the Scots succeed with the independence initiative. I mean the two nations do have some differences but I wouldn’t be surprised to see a good relationship. So many people in both countries have ties to the other especially in the Scottish cities.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:44:03pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

Boris is definitely confused about how things actually work:

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Conservatives really are freeloading moochers the world over.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:44:57pm
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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:45:17pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

This guy instantly popped up in my Twitter mentions; check out his profile. He’s masquerading as a black liberal Democrat but his timeline is full of right wing memes — and support for Bernie Sanders. I can’t tell any more whether these Berniebros are real. They just look insane to me.

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Kinda confusing—he has “support Bakari Sellers” in his bio and Bakari is a Hillary supporter so who the fuck knows. The pic is a stock photo and I can’t really figure out much about him from his tweets.

I can tell you, some of the Bernie Bros around here are nutso anti-Hillary—and these aren’t randoms; they’re actively involved in the Dem party and run their mouths non-stop. But then, remember, it’s South by dog Carolina—too small for a republic; too large for an insane asylum.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:45:34pm

re: #76 Timothy Watson

Conservatives really are freeloading moochers the world over.

All the while they claim everyone else. It’s not just Johnson. See also Cornwall. But yeah this was about them “declaring their independence.” More like they wanted all the things they liked from EU membership and wanted to get out of all the things they disliked.

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MsJ  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:45:55pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

I was wondering the same. How many political circle jerks do these guys have? CPAC, Value Voters, ?

I looked it up. It’s about as broad a spectrum as you can imagine. Palin to Coulter to Larry Wilmore to Rosario Dawson.

Weird. Really weird.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:45:57pm

re: #71 blueraven

The anti-fascist group went to the protest with expressed violence in mind. By any means necessary.

I understand the thinking here, to take it to the hate groups. I just don’t think it will win the day.

Two sides of the same coin.
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:47:10pm

re: #80 MsJ

I looked it up. It’s about as broad a spectrum as you can imagine. Palin to Coulter to Larry Wilmore to Rosario Dawson.

Weird. Really weird.

I don’t have anything against Rosario Dawson even if she is a Berniebot but when was it decided that she was a profound political voice? I mean people like Clooney I get since George did a ton to raise awareness of the Sudanese genocide and things like that. Definitely weird.

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freetoken  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:47:23pm

Rubio faces Trump-like challenger in primary

Only one person stands in the way of Marco Rubio emerging from August’s Senate primary victorious—and on paper, he looks a lot like Donald Trump.

Millionaire Carlos Beruff has endorsed Trump, he’s espoused some of the same controversial beliefs, they both have allies in Florida Gov. Rick Scott, and hasn’t been afraid to pour their millions into their bids.

[…]

He doubled down on Trump’s Muslim immigration ban by calling to include “anybody from the Middle East” except Israel, long before Trump made a similar call. And received flack for referring to President Obama as an “animal.”

Beruff has relied on deep ties to Florida Gov. Rick Scott to help boost his campaign. The similarities are clear—Scott mounted his own out-of-nowhere bid for the governor’s mansion in 2010 running his own outsider, largely self-funded, bid.

[…]

Scott sure knows how to pick friends….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:47:46pm

re: #78 BeachDem

Kinda confusing—he has “support Bakari Sellers” in his bio and Bakari is a Hillary supporter so who the fuck knows. The pic is a stock photo and I can’t really figure out much about him from his tweets.

I can tell you, some of the Bernie Bros around here are nutso anti-Hillary—and these aren’t randoms; they’re actively involved in the Dem party and run their mouths non-stop. But then, remember, it’s South by dog Carolina—too small for a republic; too large for an insane asylum.

A lot of those twitter accounts are white supremacist, MRA, gamergate, etc. trolls pretending to be Bernie or Hillary supporters.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:48:03pm

re: #83 freetoken

Rubio faces Trump-like challenger in primary

Scott sure knows how to pick friends….

Hah that will be fun.

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blueraven  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:48:18pm

re: #74 CuriousLurker

As far as I can tell at this point—and I just came online about an hour ago, so I’m still catching up—it’s not at all clear how the violence got started or who started it. It’s entirely possible that there were separate skirmishes initiated by different sides.

I agree that violence isn’t acceptable, but self-defense most certainly is. There’s no law I know of in any state of the Union that requires someone who’s being attacked to just stand there and passively take a beat-down. Again, I’m talking about self-defense, not retaliation, which would be as illegal as the initial assault.

(Lawyers feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.)

According to the woman being interviewed on CNN. The anti-fascist group went there to stop the Nazis. In her words…by any means necessary. Described her group as militant.

That doesn’t mean some Nazi might not have struck first.

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blueraven  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:50:37pm

re: #81 Romantic Heretic

Not willing to go that far.
Some people get driven to militancy. Not always their first choice.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:50:54pm

re: #77 Backwoods_Sleuth


ROFLOL

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Nyet  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:51:15pm

At least the European Antifa is not known to be a non-violent crowd.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:52:07pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

I don’t have anything against Rosario Dawson even if she is a Berniebot but when was it decided that she was a profound political voice? I mean people like Clooney I get since George did a ton to raise awareness of the Sudanese genocide and things like that. Definitely weird.

And Clooney has taken the time to learn about and study the subjects he talks about, the same can’t be said about Dawson from things I’ve seen.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:54:23pm

re: #90 Timothy Watson

And Clooney has taken the time to learn about and study the subjects he talks about, the same can’t be said about Dawson from things I’ve seen.

Clooney also comes from a political family. His father was my Congressman back in the day.

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:54:38pm

re: #51 HappyWarrior

Another note to Bernie but Clinton campaigned for you when you first ran for Senate. Maybe you forgot that because you’ve had so many admirers tell you that you’re the best thing ever but you had a lot of help from that Democratic establishment you love to bitch about to get to where you are.

The Clintons also campaigned for one of Bernie’s nastiest surrogates—Nina Turner (and the Berners love them some Nina.)

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Nyet  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:54:48pm
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Jenner7  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:57:45pm

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2016 • 2:58:23pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

Boris is definitely confused about how things actually work:

[Embedded content]

Separated at birth?

Boorish/Boris
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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:00:59pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

I was wondering the same. How many political circle jerks do these guys have? CPAC, Value Voters, ?

Looking at the people at this one, it’s a big mix from both sides—and from politics and comedy. I mean, where else do you get Dana MaGunz, Eugene Robinson, Sarah Palin, Liz Winnsted, SE Cupp, James Carville etc. all together.

I’ve never heard of it before either.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:01:41pm

Speaking of turds:

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Jenner7  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:02:48pm

Hm.

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Nyet  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:03:13pm
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blueraven  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:04:14pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

Speaking of turds:

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Can’t be real Snyder Twitter acct!

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Dave In Austin  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:04:16pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

Speaking of turds:

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Considering no verification check mark, it’s a parody account.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:04:21pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Snyder one is fake, the handle is missing an “h”.

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Jay C  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:04:36pm

re: #99 Nyet

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Yeah, that bottom warning definitely looks Belgian….

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:05:10pm

From the protest:

The Traditionalist Worker Party, a white nationalist group, was holding a march Sunday “to protest against globalization and in defense of the right to free expression,” according to the group’s website. The members appeared to be vastly outnumbered by counter-protesters, who held up signs that read “Nazi scum,” according to photos and videos posted on social media.

An organizer of the rally who wasn’t at the Capitol, said on a web live stream that one person from his group had been stabbed and was being transported to the hospital.

They got one of us but we got six of them,” he said.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:05:24pm

re: #100 blueraven

Can’t be real Snyder Twitter acct!

It’s not.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:06:32pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:06:39pm

re: #83 freetoken

Rubio faces Trump-like challenger in primary

Scott sure knows how to pick friends….

Well, when you are a criminal a certain group of friends comes with it.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:07:47pm

re: #99 Nyet

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They can’t seem to decide if the second one is German or Dutch.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:08:56pm

heh

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:09:27pm

re: #94 Jenner7

Oh boy, I’m sorry. That’s a bad deal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:10:21pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:10:52pm

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

That is spectacular. I loved that show.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:12:00pm

Very proud of Chicago today.

Orlando Strong
1 PULSE

Over one million attended the pride rally. Individual tributes for all 49 victims. No violence. None of that stuff the right wing fearmongers insist happen when there are LGBT around. And no sign of the parade moments after it was done. Everything cleaned up. Even cleaner than it was before the rally. Happy yet somber.

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MsJ  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:12:26pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

I don’t have anything against Rosario Dawson even if she is a Berniebot but when was it decided that she was a profound political voice? I mean people like Clooney I get since George did a ton to raise awareness of the Sudanese genocide and things like that. Definitely weird.

Add Rosanne Barr, Glenn Beck and a variety of other names and I’m not picturing the outcome. I just can’t see it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:13:20pm

re: #95 BeachDem

Separated at birth?

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Tweedledum & Tweedledumber

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Lidane  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:14:22pm

Your Sunday afternoon Busey:

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Timothy Watson  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:14:24pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Is it possible that Boris Johnson and Donald Trump are part of the same alien species? Their methods are so similar.

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:14:26pm

re: #114 MsJ

Add Rosanne Barr, Glenn Beck and a variety of other names and I’m not picturing the outcome. I just can’t see it.

Just a bunch of people asking questions…of everyone.

They made it into a convention.

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meteor  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:14:42pm

This asshole.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:19:22pm

Blah, damn PHP. Who would expect a function that rounds to the next lowest integer to return a float instead of a integer?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:19:53pm
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MsJ  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:20:27pm

re: #100 blueraven

Can’t be real Snyder Twitter acct!

No H in tough. Parody.

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unproven innocence  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:22:02pm

re: #120 Timothy Watson

Blah, damn PHP. Who would expect a function that rounds to the next lowest integer to return a float instead of a integer?

An old programmer? I jest, having no familiarity with PHP myself.

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Jay C  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:23:17pm

re: #119 meteor

[Embedded content]

This asshole.

Seriously? This guy cites “Mosley” as if that buffoon has left any sort of reputation as anything other than a overestimated clown-act whose ultimate political fate was to end up as an ignored prisoner and discredited historical joke?

Yeah, impressive.

Roderick Spode lives!!

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nines09  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:24:06pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Why theys just celbrating theys hertage. Ryate? Yeshuh. Um hum. Hettage is strowng rond thse here parts. You se dat. Um hummmmm. Where youawl frum ‘gin?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:26:35pm

a fun parody account:

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unproven innocence  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:28:46pm

re: #120 Timothy Watson
But seriously, “rounds to the next lowest integer” suggests that the input data type is not integer, but float. If so, why would you not expect the output to be float, also?

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:29:19pm

re: #119 meteor

[Embedded content]

This asshole.

After getting fired by the State of Indiana’s Department of Child Services (becuase of advocating violent actions against their clients - not for his racist beliefs), Heimbach’s actions are getting more and more violent as of late. Remember he’s the one who shoved and reportedly punched a female African-American protestor at a Donald Trump rally while spewing racist epithets toward her.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:32:47pm

re: #120 Timothy Watson

Blah, damn PHP. Who would expect a function that rounds to the next lowest integer to return a float instead of a integer?

Have you checked the Function Reference in the PHP manual? I usually start there when I get stuck. The user contributed notes can be especially helpful.

As a matter of fact, I even have a keyword set up in FF to search the manual, so all I need to do is type php funtion_name in the address bar and it takes me right to the page I need.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:37:22pm
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:43:33pm

re: #100 blueraven

it’s not, it’s missing the “h” in tough

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CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:43:49pm

re: #127 unproven innocence

But seriously, “rounds to the next lowest integer” suggests that the input data type is not integer, but float. If so, why would you not expect the output to be float, also?

This. I avoid math like the plague, so I only use the mathematical functions when they absolutely can’t be avoided, but I did see this, which confirms what you’re saying (assuming he’s using the floor() function):

Return Values
value rounded to the next lowest integer. The return value of floor() is still of type float because the value range of float is usually bigger than that of integer. This function returns FALSE in case of an error (e.g. passing an array).

php.net

There’s also round(), which exists specifically to round a float.

Correction: float() should have been floor(). There is no float() function.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:45:11pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:45:56pm

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

rofl.

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unproven innocence  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:46:03pm

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

Scrolling down, I noticed some candidate for POTUS has just tweeted an implied death threat against another candidate for POTUS.
Image: Cl6PitfUgAEQtvJ.jpg

Edit: Mis-attribution error. Please don’t shoot me on Fifth Avenue Donald.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:48:21pm

re: #127 unproven innocence

But seriously, “rounds to the next lowest integer” suggests that the input data type is not integer, but float. If so, why would you not expect the output to be float, also?

Not a lot of programming background here but I would expect a function that rounds to the nearest whole integer to return something like 14, not 14.0.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:49:10pm

re: #132 CuriousLurker

Correction: float() should have been floor(). There is no float() function in PHP. Fixed.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:50:57pm

re: #129 CuriousLurker

Have you checked the Function Reference in the PHP manual? I usually start there when I get stuck. The user contributed notes can be especially helpful.

As a matter of fact, I even have a keyword set up in FF to search the manual, so all I need to do is type php funtion_name in the address bar and it takes me right to the page I need.

Yeah, I used the function without fully reading the documentation. (Hey, who actually reads the manual?)

When an if statement, which was checking for === against an integer, was giving a weird result after I used floor(), I var_dump the input and noticed that it was a float and not an integer.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:51:17pm

re: #136 Timothy Watson

Not a lot of programming background here but I would expect a function that rounds to the nearest whole integer to return something like 14, not 14.0.

Never make assumptions when programming, always check the manual when using a function you’re not familiar with. It’ll save you a LOT of headaches.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:52:31pm

in Cincinnati

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CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:53:12pm

re: #138 Timothy Watson

BTW, I responded to your CSS question the other night, but I don’t know if you ever saw it as I checked out not too long afterwards.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:54:49pm

In Maine:

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:55:35pm

re: #71 blueraven

The anti-fascist group went to the protest with expressed violence in mind. By any means necessary.

I understand the thinking here, to take it to the hate groups. I just don’t think it will win the day.

How do you know that the anti-fascist group went to the protest with expressed violence in mind?

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Timothy Watson  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:56:38pm

re: #141 CuriousLurker

BTW, I responded to your CSS question the other night, but I don’t know if you ever saw it as I checked out not too long afterwards.

Thanks, I found a bug report for Chrome that’s been waiting several years for a fix. Looks like they were finally getting around to fixing it in the last couple days actually.
bugs.chromium.org

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CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:57:08pm

re: #138 Timothy Watson

Heh, yeah, that’s the thing with programming: If you’re not getting the result you expected, 99.99% of the time it’s because you did something wrong or misunderstood how something works. The functions do exactly what they’re supposed to with what they’re given.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:58:13pm

re: #144 Timothy Watson

Thanks, I found a bug report for Chrome that’s been waiting several years for a fix. Looks like they were finally getting around to fixing it in the last couple days actually.
bugs.chromium.org

Good to know, thanks!

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stpaulbear  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:58:42pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

Umm… what is that about?

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freetoken  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:59:09pm

My assertion is that part of the churn we see in contemporary American politics has to do with the slow but real de-Christianization of our society, and the angst that causes among the remaining (nominal) religious.

Worldview collapse.

Anyway, the following article gives a peek into this in this aspect of our current society:

When Leaving Religion Costs You Everything

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CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2016 • 3:59:38pm

re: #143 Patricia Kayden

See blueraven’s #86

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CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:00:19pm

re: #147 stpaulbear

Umm… what is that about?

Seconded…?

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:00:58pm

re: #128 Bill and Opus for 2016!

After getting fired by the State of Indiana’s Department of Child Services (becuase of advocating violent actions against their clients - not for his racist beliefs), Heimbach’s actions are getting more and more violent as of late. Remember he’s the one who shoved and reportedly punched a female African-American protestor at a Donald Trump rally while spewing racist epithets toward her.

And I assume he didn’t go to jail for that.

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Great White Snark  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:01:04pm

re: #74 CuriousLurker

I agree that violence isn’t acceptable, but self-defense most certainly is. There’s no law I know of in any state of the Union that requires someone who’s being attacked to just stand there and passively take a beat-down. Again, I’m talking about self-defense, not retaliation, which would be as unlawful as the initial assault.

(Lawyers feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.)

Thank you for saying so. I paid good money to the city for an assistant DA and a couple self defense lawyers to lay that out in detail for classes. Outside counsel or DA was required for the curriculum. You have the essential concept right on point.

Caveat
Your Results May Vary By State. Or by case. Or by ethnicity. My non white friends have a tougher time proving defensive intent. Or religion. Or time of day. Etc etc.

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gwangung  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:01:06pm

re: #143 Patricia Kayden

How do you know that the anti-fascist group went to the protest with expressed violence in mind?

We don’t know, yet. But, given that a lot of the “anti-fascists” wore black bandanas to cover their faces and refused to identify themselves to media, I’m guessing they’re part of the Black Bloc anarchist mob.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:02:11pm

Major LOLz…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:02:58pm

re: #147 stpaulbear

Umm… what is that about?

Fundraiser for Hillary in Cincinnati tonight.

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:03:13pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

in Cincinnati

Why are all those folks lining up to lend support to Crooked Hillary???

Must all be establishment wall street big money folks.

(GDF rule applied)

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freetoken  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:04:11pm

re: #154 Dave In Austin

Drumpfskind has turned into a sort of national expectorant, and all sorts of stuff is coming up….

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:04:41pm

re: #147 stpaulbear

Umm… what is that about?

If you click on the little Tweet birdie it shows the text.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:04:55pm

re: #153 gwangung

One of the comments quoted the Nazis as boasting that while one of their comrades got hurt, at least six anti-Nazi protesters got hurt. My point is that protesters have a right to defend themselves while they are counter protesting. I’m not willing to assume that the counter protesters did anything wrong without evidence.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:05:20pm
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freetoken  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:05:56pm

Jan Brewer… Rick Scott… Franklin Graham…: the snot of America.

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Archangelus  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:07:11pm

Quick, someone alert the Secret Service that Donald’s hairpiece is on the run! /

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:07:25pm

re: #154 Dave In Austin

Brewer must have forgotten how she disrespectfully pointed her finger in President Obama’s face a few years ago. Or that her law targeting immigrants was partially struck down by SCOTUS. Her support for Trump is just par for the course for her.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:08:07pm

re: #152 Great White Snark

Thank you for saying so. I paid good money to the city foe an assistant DA and a couple self defense lawyers to lay that out in detail for classes. Outside counsel or DA was required for the curriculum. You have the essential concept right on point.

Caveat
Your Results May Vary By State. Or by case. Or by ethnicity. My non white friends have a tougher time proving defensive intent. Or religion. Or time of day. Etc etc.

Yeah, Florida’s stupid SYG law came immediately to mind when I was typing that comment. Presumably, if this had happened down there anyone who felt mortally threatened (of could convince a DA/jury they did) could shoot the other person dead.

P.S. That knowledge of self-defense vs retaliation comes from the long ago mists of memory about what I was taught in criminal justice classes 30+ years ago in college.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:09:17pm

re: #157 freetoken

Drumpfskind has turned into a sort of national expectorant, and all sorts of stuff is coming up….

That’s a keeper, heh.

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freetoken  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:13:13pm
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Dave In Austin  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:13:13pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:17:30pm

Donald is apparently looking at polls prepared by his kids:

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wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:21:21pm
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Skip Intro  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:22:38pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

Donald is apparently looking at polls prepared by his kids:

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Trump is just a caricature of a caricature of himself.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:23:24pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

Tweeted him earlier:

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Joe Bacon  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:24:01pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

Speaking of turds:

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Snyder should be forced to drink Flint water for the rest of his term.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:24:53pm
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Teukka  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:27:27pm

re: #98 Jenner7

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Hm.

Hmmmmmmmm.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:27:54pm

HA HA got into the ‘shrooms. Can anyone interpret this for me?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:30:45pm

“Fake Poles” What are they, really Lithuanian?

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whitebeach  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:34:28pm

re: #175 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

HA HA got into the ‘shrooms. Can anyone interpret this for me?

[Embedded content]

Dunno, but I’m pretty sure this guy’s given initials weren’t H.A. I think his parents and siblings just got tired of saying, “Hey, asshole …”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:35:47pm

re: #177 whitebeach

Dunno, but I’m pretty sure this guy’s given initials weren’t H.A. I think his parents and siblings just got tired of saying, “Hey, asshole …”

All the updings!

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:36:23pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

The UK, which already had a unique deal with the EU, is now in the position of trying to back out of their backing out of the EU. Because Cameron basically told UKIP, Johnson and the other toadies who thought it was a brilliant idea to leave the EU, that they’re going to be the ones who have to trigger Article 50 and actually follow through on what they wanted.

If they fail to follow through, their careers are toast.
If they follow through, their nation is toast.

Hard to see which way this will go. Especially since the UKIP has already shown itself fiscally irresponsible and flat out lied about the consequences.

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:37:28pm

re: #176 The Vicious Babushka

Fake poles. Stripper poles? Looking for a new wife?

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gocart mozart  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:38:45pm

Ha Ha, it’s “Markov chains generated by H. A. Goodman predictions” For a minute, I thought he went insane, insaner?

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:39:39pm

re: #181 lawhawk

Yes. He needs someone who will make him look good as president.

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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:41:16pm

re: #176 The Vicious Babushka

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vgranucci  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:44:44pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

Speaking of turds:

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I suspect that’s a parody account. The real Governor Rick Snyder has the blue check, and he is @onetoughnerd. The twitterer being quoted left the ‘h’ out of tough.

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:45:28pm

The polls are fake. Will someone please unskew Trump’s polls for him. He thinks that he deserves to be president based on polls that all show him behind by significant number.

In most cases, he’s double digits behind nationally.

That’s all good, but that’s not how the EC votes - it’s state by state, and we’re still way early to get serious about polls. The media needs ‘em close for a horse race. They need that narrative.

But they might also be okay with a blowout, particularly if we get historic type blowout pollings. Need that to happen after the RNC nomination.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:47:34pm

re: #182 gocart mozart

Ha Ha, it’s “Markov chains generated by H. A. Goodman predictions” For a minute, I thought he went insane, insaner?

[Embedded content]

Should have known. These kind of algorithms are really pathetic at aping actual language. Of course “translation” algorithms such as Google Translate aren’t much better, and since Linguistics was Chomskied to death 60 years ago, they never will be.

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:53:34pm

These people.

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freetoken  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:54:06pm

Corbyn is as tone-deaf as Sanders:

EU referendum: Jeremy Corbyn vows to fight for leadership and reshape cabinet

Half the guy’s shadow cabinet abandons him, yet he still thinks that he should be in charge.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:57:28pm

re: #188 lawhawk

These people.

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Danack  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:57:41pm

re: #180 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Donald Trump is throwing a Twitter fit, and claiming that the polls are biased against him after a new poll showed him getting smoked by Hillary Clinton.

This is why I still think he might try to avoid being the nominee.

Above everything else, Trump hates to been seen as a loser. Trailing Clinton by over 10 points for the next 4 months is going to be his own personal hell, and he will be desperate to find some way out of being the GOP nominee.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:58:22pm
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Belafon  Jun 26, 2016 • 4:59:12pm

re: #187 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The natural language processing course I took a few years ago didn’t spend a whole lot of time on parsing because bringing in semantic meaning was also deemed important.

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No Depression  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:05:01pm

re: #188 lawhawk

These people.

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As someone who changed his views from conservative to liberal, this purity bullshit pisses me off. If you ever hold a wrong opinion, you’re forever tainted. Screw that.

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Alephnaught  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:05:09pm

Right, I’m off to bed. All the Dubliners I’ve been taking to have been asking about Brexit, and I’ve been telling them about what I’ve been hearing about what’s been going on in Scotland. And then I come back and see this tweet in the First Minister’s timeline. She definitely means business about building a coalition for Independence.

Night, all.

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stpaulbear  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:06:57pm

re: #190 The Vicious Babushka

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joemygod.com has a post with a really nice video interview of Barney Frank about Hillary asking him if she could march with him at Pride 2000.

It’s a twitter link and I can’t figure out how to imbed it here, but the JoeMyGod post is worth the visit.

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freetoken  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:08:43pm

re: #195 Alephnaught

Supposedly a new pole poll out of Scotland shows that there is no support for a second independence referendum.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:15:17pm

re: #196 stpaulbear

joemygod.com has a post with a really nice video interview of Barney Frank about Hillary asking him if she could march with him at Pride 2000.

It’s a twitter link and I can’t figure out how to imbed it here, but the JoeMyGod post is worth the visit.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:15:44pm

re: #188 lawhawk

These people.

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It’s all about the fucking past with these people. Never about where we are now. Regarding that though, Jill should talk to Gavin Newsome about HRC and gay marriage.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:17:01pm

FLUFF GOATS

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:17:03pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:17:13pm
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Dave In Austin  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:17:45pm

But could have done without the promotion at the end…..

Facebook Video

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:18:05pm

re: #194 No Depression

As someone who changed his views from conservative to liberal, this purity bullshit pisses me off. If you ever hold a wrong opinion, you’re forever tainted. Screw that.

As someone who’s pretty much been more or less a liberal my entire adult life, I could not agree with you more. In fact, I have more respect for people like yourself than people like Stein who hold things against you if you weren’t always right. People are allowed to grow and what makes Stein’s attack on Clinton even more shitty is that Gavin Newsome no less has said that HRC stood by him and offered him support when he started signing gay marriage applications in SF that year. So not only is Stein being a purity bullshiter, she’s being a lying one.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:20:37pm

re: #201 The Vicious Babushka

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Great ad, I’ll take Barney’s word over Jill Stein’s anyday. Of course, Barney is on the puregressive shit list too because he doesn’t’ think Bernie is the greatest thing ever.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:20:44pm

re: #194 No Depression

As someone who changed his views from conservative to liberal, this purity bullshit pisses me off. If you ever hold a wrong opinion, you’re forever tainted. Screw that.

Most of us Elder Lizards have changed our views over time or we wouldn’t have stayed here.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:22:31pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

I’ve known people that owned those kinds of goats.

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EPR-radar  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:26:23pm

re: #206 The Vicious Babushka

Most of us Elder Lizards have changed our views over time or we wouldn’t have stayed here.

One advantage of having changed views over time is that the other’s sides arguments are easier to understand.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:27:26pm

re: #208 EPR-radar

One advantage of having changed views over time is that the other’s sides arguments are easier to understand.

That’s quite true. It’s probably why a lot of you are able to make more elegant arguments against wingnut ideas than I can.

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harlequinade  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:28:12pm

re: #189 freetoken

But he is the best person to lead the party.

He’s a socialist who is fighting to regain the working class by trying to address their issues, as opposed to running to the right. He also has the massive backing of the party members.

The MPs who have resigned have, as other labour MPs have said, tried to stage a coup.
They are all Blair loyalists. They’re the ones who lost the working class in the first place. Thinking that putting another Blairite will win back their base is madness.

As has been pointed out by Corbyn loyalists, the Labour turnout for the referendum, who voted remain, was much higher than Conservative turn out. And all the MPs who are saying that Corbyn didn’t campaign hard enough are in areas with a massive Leave vote.

Diane Abbot said, earlier, words to the effect of “If they had some magic button to bring out the labour voters, why didn’t they press it and win in their own areas?”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:30:38pm

What I want to know is why John Edwards who was much more hawkish on Iraq than Clinton was was acceptable to many of them but Clinton is somehow the Democratic Dick Cheney to them. I mean if you must hold a grudge about all issues, you should at least be consistent but then again people who hold grudges over past positions rather than looking at where we are now aren’t rational people.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:30:53pm

re: #210 harlequinade

I hate that, in 2016, working class is a synonym for white in English speaking countries.

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:34:20pm

re: #200 Charles Johnson

Goats do Roam. Yum…

And they’d go well with grilled mutton, or even curried goat.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:34:31pm

re: #212 Belafon

I hate that, in 2016, working class is a synonym for white in English speaking countries.

The other side of that coin used to be “…and all the non-white colonized people who provide the cheap materials, cheap labor, and captive consumption audience.”

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:35:06pm

re: #206 The Vicious Babushka

re: #208 EPR-radar

re: #209 HappyWarrior

As we grow older our views on life and other matters change. We are shaped by our life experiences and that is what makes a person more flexible in their opinions. If we can bend to see the other person’s view we have grown wiser for it. It was William Wordsworth who said, “the child is the father of the man.” It still holds true today.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:36:17pm

re: #215 PhillyPretzel

As we grow older our views on life and other matters change. We are shaped by our life experiences and that is what makes a person more flexible in their opinions. If we can bend to see the other person’s view we have grown wiser for it. It was William Wordsworth who said, “the child is the father of the man.” It still holds true today.

Well said. I have to say while my ideology has been more or less consistent, my approach is more mature.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:37:15pm

re: #216 HappyWarrior

Thank you. :)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:37:36pm

re: #212 Belafon

I hate that, in 2016, working class is a synonym for white in English speaking countries.

I know what you mean. Sanders constantly bellyached during the primaries about the working class no longer voting for Democrats but ignored how non-white working class voters still strongly support the party.

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harlequinade  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:38:02pm

re: #212 Belafon

I do, too. My parents always taught me “If you work, you’re working class. Doesn’t matter if you’re a bank manger or a road sweeper - the issues you face are the same.”

So, as the grandson of a West Indian migrant and an English woman, the way that Working Class became White is miserable to me. But, I like to see that as a result of the Thatcher years.

The destruction of the unions, and the manufacturing base, laid waste to traditional (white) areas. The following “Get on your bike” rhetoric set up the newly unemployed as moochers, and moved the battleground to the middle class.

The Labour party were either to be painted as “The party that supports moochers” or join the fight for the middle class.

And so the working class were left behind, and then the white part was sucked up by the far right. Rinse and repeat across Europe.

The Left, seeing the social injustice of racism, took up that banner - which then played into the “They care more about THEM than about you” and now we’re here.

(sorry if that’s rambly. It’s late/early here and I’m procrastinating :D)

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:41:31pm

re: #208 EPR-radar

One advantage of having changed views over time is that the other’s sides arguments are easier to understand.

Trump supporters that I know IRL (as opposed to shitlords on Twitter) all agree with me that he’s out of control and a nutcase but HURR HURR HE’S NOT HILLARY!!!11!!! and I’m like what is it about Hillary that you’re so afraid of? You hated her even before BENGHAZI!!1!!!! and EMALES!!!!11!!!! and they’re like HURR HURR ARKANCIDE!!!11!!! and I’m like *rolleyes* FFS YOU KNOW THAT’S TOTAL BULLSHIT.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:42:47pm

re: #218 HappyWarrior

I know what you mean. Sanders constantly bellyached during the primaries about the working class no longer voting for Democrats but ignored how non-white working class voters still strongly support the party.

I’m white, and grew up with family members that ranged from barely middle class (my immediate family) to poor, and I can tell you from personal experience that working does not correlate with race. I’ve had family member who worked their hardest, if at all, only when it came to maintaining benefits. Oh, and they were racist. This would be in West Texas, so yes, still the South.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:43:33pm

re: #220 The Vicious Babushka

Trump supporters that I know IRL (as opposed to shitlords on Twitter) all agree with me that he’s out of control and a nutcase but HURR HURR HE’S NOT HILLARY!!!11!!! and I’m like what is it about Hillary that you’re so afraid of? You hated her even before BENGHAZI!!1!!!! and EMALES!!!!11!!!! and they’re like HURR HURR ARKANCIDE!!!11!!! and I’m like *rolleyes* FFS YOU KNOW THAT’S TOTAL BULLSHIT.

I got a friend who we’d call a gun nut. I asked him one day, what measures would you like to prevent guns from getting in the wrong hands and he said well background checks and things like that. I said okay that’s what Obama wants, so why do you view him as an enemy of your right to bear arms. I furthermore pointed out to him that Obama in fact expanded teh right to bear arms. Really frustrating though since I don’t think he got it and he posts a lot of the same stupid memes that you see on Twitter though thankfully he hasn’t done any gun girl porn yet.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:43:42pm

*SIGH*

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:44:38pm

re: #197 freetoken

Supposedly a new pole poll out of Scotland shows that there is no support for a second independence referendum.

Did the Poles do that poll? Or did they pull from another sole poll?

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:45:39pm

re: #220 The Vicious Babushka

Trump supporters that I know IRL (as opposed to shitlords on Twitter) all agree with me that he’s out of control and a nutcase but HURR HURR HE’S NOT HILLARY!!!11!!! and I’m like what is it about Hillary that you’re so afraid of? You hated her even before BENGHAZI!!1!!!! and EMALES!!!!11!!!! and they’re like HURR HURR ARKANCIDE!!!11!!! and I’m like *rolleyes* FFS YOU KNOW THAT’S TOTAL BULLSHIT.

My wife grew up in AR while Bill was governor. The state did pretty well under him from what she says.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:46:20pm

re: #221 Belafon

I’m white, and grew up with family members that ranged from barely middle class (my immediate family) to poor, and I can tell you from personal experience that working does not correlate with race. I’ve had family member who worked their hardest, if at all, only when it came to maintaining benefits. Oh, and they were racist. This would be in West Texas, so yes, still the South.

I mean it is disappointing that a large part of the New Deal Coalition left the Democratic Party but I think so many economic lefties refuse to see that part of that had nothing to do with the Democrats moving more to the center on economics and had a lot to do with those voters own prejudice as your personal experience illustrates. Anyhow, I have some working class background too and my relatives while not CCJ level bigoted definitely had their fair share of racial prejudices not enough to make them vote Republican because they didn’t want to share benefits with people of otehr backgrounds but they definitely had their prejudices.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:47:03pm

re: #223 The Vicious Babushka

*SIGH*

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Donald’s just jealous that he can’t read his name properly from a teleprompt, much less project an emotion of empathy at the correct time.

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stpaulbear  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:48:12pm

re: #206 The Vicious Babushka

Most of us Elder Lizards have changed our views over time or we wouldn’t have stayed here.

I’ve been pretty much a liberal for my entire life (my first vote was cast for McGovern when I was 18), but I grew up thinking that being gay was the worst possible thing that anyone could be. Being gay made you an unspeakably flawed person, unfit for interaction with normal people. It took me a long fucking time to come to terms with it, and I often feel like I threw away some of the best years of my life on self denial and self contempt. I still drag around a lot of that crap inside of me, but at least I know that I don’t want others to have to go through that.

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A Cranky One  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:53:30pm

OT: Just a few shots of Mrs Cranky’s gardens. She has things planted such that there is always something blooming and the colors change constantly. Nice place to escape when politics makes me want to beat my head against the wall.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:54:07pm

don’t know if this is sarcasm or not. The rest of his TL is all BBQ (don’t look if you are hungry).

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:55:10pm

re: #229 A Cranky One

Beautiful garden.

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A Cranky One  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:58:05pm

re: #231 PhillyPretzel

Beautiful garden.

Thanks, I’ll pass that along. When we bought the house the back yard was mostly dead grass, so a lot of work when into what you see today. It’s quite pleasant to get up in the morning, have some coffee and see that view out of the kitchen windows.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 5:59:22pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:00:14pm

re: #232 A Cranky One

My “lawn” in front of my house is practically a postage stamp and the one in the back of the house is a strip of weeds. That is why when I see something beautiful I say so.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:00:19pm
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Stanley Sea  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:01:56pm

re: #227 Belafon

Donald’s just jealous that he can’t read his name properly from a teleprompt, much less project an emotion of empathy at the correct time.

He was lookingat a lighthouse in Scotland & said Florida! !

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CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:02:52pm

re: #219 harlequinade

Thanks for the context, it helps a lot.

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stpaulbear  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:03:11pm

re: #236 Stanley Sea

He was lookingat a lighthouse in Scotland & said Florida! !

That showed up in a Hillary ad. It was pretty funny. Sad.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:08:28pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:08:59pm

re: #239 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ouch but true.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:09:58pm

For those of you who might be interested, Breitbart has a writeup on the clash in Sacramento between the Neo-Nazis and Anti-Fascists.
Stabbings In Sacramento as Neo-Nazis, ‘Anti-Fascists’ Clash at Capitol

Of course, they claim that the white nationalists are leftists - even though the Traditional Workers’ Party specifically states that they are far-right.

Although the fringe Traditionalist Workers Party group claims to be against leftism, its political agenda shares many similarities with the far left, including its avowed support for socialism and its hostility to Israel and “Zionists.”

What’s worse is that the comments for the article are openly supportive of the violent Neo-Nazis, including spamming of white nationalist videos in the thread.

Smash Cultural Marxism! • 6 minutes ago
The headline should read: Pro-whites peacefully protest and then get stabbed by vicious, hostile anti-white thugs.

ylcalif • 12 minutes ago
Never heard of this “Traditionalist” group. The more I read, the more I like.

EEDDGGY1776 • 18 minutes ago
Would have never believed that the day would come where I would root for the Skinheads.
Thanks Oturd and the DNC.

Speedwagon • 26 minutes ago
Hitler was fighting against the powers that the people behind the Ferguson riots and “Black Lives Matter” mobs represent — He was trying to save us all from the Leftist “protestors” (destroyers), cultural Marxists, and communists. In the 1930’s, he looked to the east and saw what the Jewish communists were doing in Russia and Ukraine (they were murdering millions of white people), and decided that they would not do the same to Germany. If Hitler had won, we would not be having much of the social problems that we are seeing play out today, for the simple fact that the communists would have been shut down for a thousand years. But now, they are in every classroom and newsroom in America and Europe. It is time to choose your side.

¤ Die Flut Kommt ¤ (6 minutes, haunting musical score)

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Jay C  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:11:11pm

re: #235 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Very unrealistic.

The hands are disproportionately large….

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:11:46pm

re: #241 Bill and Opus for 2016!

Would have never believed that the day would come where I would root for the Skinheads.

I’m pretty sure I could have on November 4, 2008.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:13:26pm

re: #176 The Vicious Babushka

“Fake Poles” What are they, really Lithuanian?

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OT, but this reminded me of a friend who moved to a kind of rural area outside of the triangle in North Carolina in the early ’80s. He went to a local hardware store and asked if they had stakes. He was told “in the back.” In the back was a butcher shop and a guy in a bloody apron. He had steaks.

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Jayleia  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:13:48pm

The Donald Trump coloring book is a real thing…my store sells that.

Dear god its hilarious and depressing at the same time.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:14:15pm

re: #241 Bill and Opus for 2016!

For those of you who might be interested, Breitbart has a writeup on the clash in Sacramento between the Neo-Nazis and Anti-Fascists.
Stabbings In Sacramento as Neo-Nazis, ‘Anti-Fascists’ Clash at Capitol

Of course, they claim that the white nationalists are leftists - even though the Traditional Workers’ Party specifically states that they are far-right.

What’s worse is that the comments for the article are openly supportive of the violent Neo-Nazis, including spamming of white nationalist videos in the thread.

I love how they blame Obama for why they decided to root for the white supremacists. Yep always Obama’s fault. Look at what you did Obama, you made me like peopel wh like Hitler!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:15:36pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:17:19pm

re: #232 A Cranky One

Thanks, I’ll pass that along. When we bought the house the back yard was mostly dead grass, so a lot of work when into what you see today. It’s quite pleasant to get up in the morning, have some coffee and see that view out of the kitchen windows.

That is utterly gorgeous. What does Mrs. Cranky do during the winter? Pore over seed catalogs?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:17:29pm

re: #245 Jayleia

At least the only crayon you need is the orange one.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:18:03pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:18:57pm

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

don’t know if this is sarcasm or not. The rest of his TL is all BBQ (don’t look if you are hungry).

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That is so utterly derptastic I threw up in my mouth.

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harlequinade  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:19:26pm

re: #237 CuriousLurker

You’re welcome.

It’s the thing we see everywhere. I picked up this: Chavs: The Demonization of the Working Class by Owen Jones which made a lot of sense about what we’re seeing now.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:21:31pm

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

don’t know if this is sarcasm or not. The rest of his TL is all BBQ (don’t look if you are hungry).

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Guess we will find out, depending how he replies.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:24:03pm

Well that takes care of that!!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:24:44pm

Didn’t Cruz have a coloring book too?

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Tigger2  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:25:55pm

re: #255 HappyWarrior

Didn’t Cruz have a coloring book too?

Yeah but it wasn’t as YUGGGGGE or GREEEEEAT.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:30:27pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:32:38pm

There is also a NSFW Bernie Sanders coloring book (sorry not linking, you’ll have to Google it to believe it)

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stpaulbear  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:32:41pm

re: #257 The Vicious Babushka

There is a Hillary Coloring Book and also Hillary Paper Dolls

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Hillary’s hand is too big.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:33:27pm

re: #259 stpaulbear

Hillary’s hand is too big.

It just looks that way compared to Donald’s hands.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:35:42pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:36:35pm

yowser

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Teukka  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:40:56pm

re: #262 Backwoods_Sleuth

yowser

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Yikes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:43:45pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:44:08pm

re: #264 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Whoa.

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stpaulbear  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:44:18pm

re: #262 Backwoods_Sleuth

yowser

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Good that the fire didn’t start until after they’d landed. I like that they interviewed a Ms Lee Bee Yee.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:47:18pm

The Twitter account below just followed me and now I’m following it. I saw quite a few liberals I follow who were also following him, but I only a couple of lizards, so you might want to take a look. I only skimmed through the website, but it looks legit.

From the Twitter profile:

Sr: Politics
@Sr_Politics follows you

Veteran journalists and commentators offer a seasoned view of U.S. & world politics. More reporting @SrCorrespondent and @Sr_SportsViews.

seniorcorrespondent.com
Joined February 2015

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fern01  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:53:28pm

re: #67 HappyWarrior

Makes him a lot like Trump in that regard. I don’t understand how this man got elected mayor of such a large city as London.

The wealthy Londoners didn’t like his left wing opponent. I’ve never understood how he won over Ken Livingstone - but has to be the right wingers always voting for party not person.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:54:21pm

re: #268 fern01

The wealthy Londoners didn’t like his left wing opponent. I’ve never understood how he won over Ken Livingstone - but has to be the right wingers always voting for party not person.

Okay, that makes sense then.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 26, 2016 • 6:55:36pm

Damn! Paybacks a bitch…

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harlequinade  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:00:46pm

re: #269 HappyWarrior

He’s also a charming buffoon. He appeared on TV and got mocked, lots, and laughed it off. He fits this “Harmless public school boy” trope all Brits have.

Even when he’s embarrassing, we liked him. Even now, it’s only a section of the public who can see that he only ran the Leave campaign so he could take Cameron’s job.

He would be terrifying as Leader of the Conservative party because he is absolutely a Right Winger, but the public/press would fawn over it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:02:24pm

re: #271 harlequinade

He’s also a charming buffoon. He appeared on TV and got mocked, lots, and laughed it off. He fits this “Harmless public school boy” trope all Brits have.

Even when he’s embarrassing, we liked him. Even now, it’s only a section of the public who can see that he only ran the Leave campaign so he could take Cameron’s job.

He would be terrifying as Leader of the Conservative party because he is absolutely a Right Winger, but the public/press would fawn over it.

Thanks for your insights. I imagine he got a lot of “He may be a bastard but I am glad he’s ours” when he told Romney off about the Olympics.

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:02:59pm

Politico - Sanders national press secretary leaving campaign

By DANIEL STRAUSS 06/26/16 09:10 PM EDT

Sen. Bernie Sanders’ national press secretary has decided to leave the campaign, she confirmed on Sunday night.

Symone D. Sanders (no relation to the senator) said she was departing the campaign amicably.

“I believe my time at the campaign has come to an end,” she told POLITICO. “I’m very proud of the work we have done and am now looking forward to helping elect down-ballot Democrats and do all I can to ensure a Democrat is the 45th president of the United States.”

Symone Sanders said she gave notice last week.

“The senator, Jeff and I are all in a good place,” she said, referring to campaign manager Jeff Weaver.

Sanders also said she did not have a specific job lined up yet.

“But there is so much work to be done and too much at stake in November for me to sit on the sidelines, she said.

The move is another sign that Sanders’ campaign is winding down. Symone Sanders had been with the senator’s campaign since August 2015. She was previously with the Washington, D.C.-based Coalition for Juvenile Justice.

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gocart mozart  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:03:43pm

re: #241 Bill and Opus for 2016!

Of course, they claim that the white nationalists are leftists - even though the Traditional Workers’ Party specifically states that they are far-right.

It’s funny when the proles aren’t on board with the party line (lies). “Liberal Fascism” LOL
You see this also when they claim Republicans freed the slaves and Democrats are the real racists! The comments will have people calling Lincoln a tyrant and the confederacy the victims. Goobers can’t even agree on the same bullshit. Sad.

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meteor  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:04:06pm

re: #262 Backwoods_Sleuth

yowser

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Holy shit.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:04:24pm

re: #258 The Vicious Babushka

There is also a NSFW Bernie Sanders coloring book (sorry not linking, you’ll have to Google it to believe it)

Thanks. I googled it and now I have to bleach my eyes and brain.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:05:17pm

STUPIDEST GUNFUCKING MEME OF THE DAY==>

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:08:46pm

re: #277 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST GUNFUCKING MEME OF THE DAY==>

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It’s up there for sure.

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:13:15pm

I wonder if John Oliver will talk about the Brexit results tonight? I believe it’s his last show of the season and can’t imagine he’ll let the season end without it.

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A Cranky One  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:27:37pm

re: #248 The Vicious Babushka

That is utterly gorgeous. What does Mrs. Cranky do during the winter? Pore over seed catalogs?

Thanks! Actually, in the winter she quilts.

I’m convinced that she has a spreadsheet with all the plants, their colors and blooming schedule since there is always something blooming and always in complimentary colors. She denies it, but the garden suggests otherwise. ;-)

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harlequinade  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:31:11pm

re: #272 HappyWarrior

Absolutely. And that played really well to the Little Englanders, too.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2016 • 7:32:27pm

re: #274 gocart mozart

It’s funny when the proles aren’t on board with the party line (lies). “Liberal Fascism” LOL
You see this also when they claim Republicans freed the slaves and Democrats are the real racists! The comments will have people calling Lincoln a tyrant and the confederacy the victims. Goobers can’t even agree on the same bullshit. Sad.

That always amuses me too. They insist the CSA was liberal because so many of the CSA leaders were Democrats but a lot also hate Lincoln too. As you said, they can’t even agree on the same bs. My favorite though is when they suggest that black Americans are too stupid to know that the Democratic Party was that party.


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