Scott Brown Wants Elizabeth Warren to Take a (Pointless) DNA Test

Sheer ignorance and bigotry are a toxic mix
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Former Massachusetts Senator Scott Brown was defeated by Elizabeth Warren in the 2012 election, and is still clearly carrying a rather large grudge against her. And since Republicans like Brown know she’s a powerful and effective voice for the Democrats, they’re doing what they always do: trying to destroy her personally.

I’m so old I remember when people tried to paint Brown as a “sane, moderate Republican,” but here he is jumping aboard the Donald Trump Bigotry Train and echoing his “Pocahontas” rhetoric against Warren.

And he’s adding a wrinkle of his own: demanding that Warren take a DNA test to “prove” her Native American ancestry.

“As you know, she’s not Native American,” Brown, an early Trump endorser, told reporters on a conference call organized by the Republican National Committee. “She’s not 1/32 Cherokee.”

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“Harvard can release the records, she can authorize the release of those records, or she can take a DNA test,” he said, insisting that Warren took a job that might have rightly gone to a nonwhite applicant. “It’s a reverse form of racism, quite frankly.”

Did he really invoke the hoary old right wing “reverse racism” meme?

Brown’s call for a DNA test isn’t just bigoted and stupid — it’s ignorant and wrong. Because according to the National Congress of American Indians’ Genetics Resource Center, DNA testing cannot be used to “prove” an individual has Native American ancestry.

One type of DNA testing called DNA fingerprinting can be used to help document close biological relationships, such as those between parents and children, as well as among other close family members. Other kinds of testing for genetic ancestry use markers to see how similar an individual is to a broader population or group, based on probabilities drawn from databases of research on populations and group genetic characteristics. However, no DNA testing can “prove” an individual is American Indian and/or Alaska Native, or has ancestry from a specific tribe. Genetic testing can provide evidence for the biological relationship between two individuals (e.g., paternity testing), but there are no unique genes for individual tribes or American Indian/Alaska Native (AI/AN) ancestry in general.

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411 comments
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Tigger2  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:52:48pm

I want Scott Brown to submit to a drug test.

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Kragar  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:55:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:55:25pm

Scott Brown is a stupid idiot. Hard to believe that he was once touted as a sane Republican when in reality he’s become Massachusetts’s Joe Walsh.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:55:30pm

Petty and trite smears against powerful women. They built that.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:55:35pm

Doubly wrong since she doesn’t even claim to have Cherokee ancestry.

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nines09  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:57:08pm

Former Massachusetts Senator human being Scott Brown…….Fixed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:57:38pm

Beach Dem’s comment about Scott Brown’s own heritage lie downstairs is very pertinent to this post.
littlegreenfootballs.com

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Franklin  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:58:21pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:59:06pm

Trump is thumping the tom toms

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2016 • 12:59:49pm

Scott Brown has a yoooooooouuge arrogance factor.

It is no wonder he wants to act like Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:00:02pm

re: #8 Franklin

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Their quality of writers seems to have gone down. That’s really not funny.

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freetoken  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:00:08pm

While I agree there is no such thing as a test for “Cherokee”, I want to take exception to this:

Brown’s call for a DNA test isn’t just bigoted and stupid — it’s ignorant and wrong. Because according to the National Congress of American Indians’ Genetics Resource Center, DNA testing cannot be used to “prove” an individual has Native American ancestry.

From my reading, this is not what most geneticists or physical anthropologists would claim.

There is enough known, tested, individuals (living and dead) to make a high precision determination of matching “Native American” population groups as a very large subdivision of all human populations, though again there is no test for “Cherokee”.

There is a great deal of cultural clash between some Native American groups and some geneticists, over the use of testing. This is a clash of cultures, not a clash of science per se.

Carlos Bustamente is one of the leading researchers in this area:

bustamantelab.stanford.edu

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:00:46pm

re: #8 Franklin

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Baby Whiplash is having the vapors

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:00:50pm

re: #9 The Vicious Babushka

Wait, Trump just said that she was a NA.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:01:40pm
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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:02:27pm

Warren’s ‘advancement of her career’ was filling out an application for a college professorship with ‘Native American’ and she filled in a percentage. Whoop-Dee-Do.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:02:36pm

re: #13 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash is having the vapors

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Awfully sensitive isn’t he? Might I suggest a safe zone for him?

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Franklin  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:02:53pm

Some were theorizing that Tulsi Gabbard was using the House Dem sit-in as a way of reconciling with the party and moving forward. Welp.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:02:58pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:03:02pm

re: #16 SoundGuy 2016

Warren’s ‘advancement of her career’ was filling out an application for a college professorship with ‘Native American’ and she filled in a percentage. Whoop-Dee-Do.

Lamest non-troversy ever.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:03:08pm

re: #17 HappyWarrior

Awfully sensitive isn’t he? Might I suggest a safe zone for him?

With plush walls and a nice, warm jacket.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:03:21pm

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

Beach Dem’s comment about Scott Brown’s own heritage lie downstairs is very pertinent to this post.
littlegreenfootballs.com

Charles, suggest you do an Update to include that. Here’s a couple of links:

democraticunderground.com
(includes a link to the NYT article and its retraction)

bluemassgroup.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:03:23pm

re: #18 Franklin

Some were theorizing that Tulsi Gabbard was using the House Dem sit-in as a way of reconciling with the party and moving forward. Welp.

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Uh didn’t Tulsi oppose the Iran deal from a hawkish perspective?

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Kragar  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:04:10pm
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nines09  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:04:15pm

re: #16 SoundGuy 2016

Warren’s ‘advancement of her career’ was filling out an application for a college professorship with ‘Native American’ and she filled in a percentage. Whoop-Dee-Do.

Think where Trump would be without daddy tossing some paper his way. Insignificant! Sad!

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:04:52pm

re: #24 Kragar

Please, Sean, continue on that path. We all know where it leads.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:05:10pm

re: #24 Kragar

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Sorry, Sean, I don’t trust dropouts on statistics. The polls aren’t flawed because you don’t like that your buddy Trump is losing and that no one you know at your safe zone of FNC is voting ofr her.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:05:37pm

re: #24 Kragar

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UNSKEW UNSKEW UNSKEW

Man, cons can never come up with anything new.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:06:04pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:06:20pm
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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:06:23pm

re: #19 The Vicious Babushka

That is freaking awesome. Will show Wifey, she will smile.

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Snarknado!  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:06:58pm

re: #24 Kragar

“If your enemy is making a mistake, do not correct him.” -Napoleon

(Or words to that effect.)

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nines09  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:07:31pm

re: #24 Kragar

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Judd Legum…..I hit my head so hard……It all makes sense!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:08:07pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

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It’s honestly moot anyhow. She made a mistake believing a family legend and no longer believes she’s part Native-American. What she did was much more harmless than a certain Republican presidential icon from claiming he was present at the liberation of a Concentration Camp but I guess it was cute and endearing when Gramps Reagan did it.

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Kragar  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:08:32pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:09:25pm

OT, but re: #32 Snarknado!

“If your enemy is making a mistake, do not correct him.” -Napoleon

(Or words to that effect.)

“If yo’ enemy’s drownin’, ya throw him an anvil” - James Carville

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:09:35pm

You know, one outcome of Trump I would love to see occur is Hannity being so in the bag for him it costs him his audience out of pure embarrassment for ever having followed the fool. Please make it so. I would love to have his smarmy ass parked on the forgotten sidelines somewhere.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:10:54pm

re: #22 MsJ

Charles, suggest you do an Update to include that. Here’s a couple of links:

democraticunderground.com
(includes a link to the NYT article and its retraction)

bluemassgroup.com

Links that do not work. Outstanding.

Nevermind.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:11:25pm

I don’t understand the “they polled more Ds” criticism.
Who says there are 50% of Ds and 50% of Rs?

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:11:56pm

re: #38 MsJ

Links that do not work. Outstanding.

Nevermind.

Works for me.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:12:07pm

re: #39 Nyet

I don’t understand the “they polled more Ds” criticism.
Who says there are 50% of Ds and 50% of Rs?

MBF.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:12:13pm

Kragar -

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:12:41pm

re: #40 Nyet

Works for me.

Me too!

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:12:49pm

re: #41 Timothy Watson

MBF.

Statistical MBF fallacy. Neat.

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Skip Intro  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:13:33pm

re: #39 Nyet

I don’t understand the “they polled more Ds” criticism.
Who says there are 50% of Ds and 50% of Rs?

Hannity’s audience is at least 95% Republican, so there.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:14:55pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

This idiot is insisting he’s right, of course. Block time.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:15:09pm

re: #39 Nyet

I don’t understand the “they polled more Ds” criticism.
Who says there are 50% of Ds and 50% of Rs?

Indeed, there are more registered Democrats than registered Republicans. The poll that Hannity is bitching about did what is a pretty close resemblance to the electorate on that count.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:16:42pm

re: #37 ObserverArt

You know, one outcome of Trump I would love to see occur is Hannity being so in the bag for him it costs him his audience out of pure embarrassment for ever having followed the fool. Please make it so. I would love to have him smarmy ass parked on the forgotten sidelines somewhere.

It would be great to see Hannity humiliated but I think you have to have a sense of shame to have that and Hannity has shown he has no sense of shame.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:16:46pm

re: #24 Kragar

Here’s why new polls showing @RealDonaldTrump trailing Hillary are flawedhttps://t.co #Hannity
— Sean Hannity

It’s funny, but I swear I’ve heard this argument before….

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:16:54pm

re: #40 Nyet

Works for me.

The one to the NYT and then retraction don’t work.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:17:41pm

If Hannity seriously thinks Trump is up by 20%, he’s even more out of touch than I thought though.

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Skip Intro  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:18:24pm

re: #49 Sir John Barron

It’s funny, but I swear I’ve heard this argument before….

I’m waiting until Karl Rove backs him up.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:18:27pm

LOL!

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Sir John Barron  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:18:32pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

Lamest non-troversy ever.

IMPEACH!!!!!111

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:19:00pm

re: #19 The Vicious Babushka

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Unbernt

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:19:59pm

re: #53 MsJ

LOL!

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Grown children masquerading as men.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:21:17pm

In Oregon:

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Kragar  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:21:52pm

re: #42 SoundGuy 2016

Had a bunch of idiots swarm in last night, so I went with “Block everyone”.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:22:26pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

In Oregon:

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Goddamn it.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:22:33pm

re: #51 HappyWarrior

If Hannity seriously thinks Trump is up by 20%, he’s even more out of touch than I thought though.

I just can’t get over how Severely Conservative Less Government True Patriot Americans Who Hate Government like Hannity are in the tank for Trump who, if he’s an actual conservative, has apparently undergone a rather recent and miraculous conversion.

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Tigger2  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:22:47pm

re: #53 MsJ

LOL!

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It’s really nice to see Republicans poring out hate at each other now of days.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:22:56pm

re: #58 Kragar

Had a bunch of idiots swarm in last night, so I went with “Block everyone”.

I hope I never know that feeling.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:23:12pm

re: #39 Nyet

I don’t understand the “they polled more Ds” criticism.
Who says there are 50% of Ds and 50% of Rs?

IIRC, the polls basically call however many people they call, randomly. Those people self-report their affiliation. Sure, your sample may be off a bit. But there are problems with trying to adjust it.

First, where do you get the percentages you call ‘Correct’? You get them from a poll of people, called randomly, self-reporting their affiliation. How do you know THAT poll got it right?

Second, since it’s self-reported, it changes. Let’s say the Democrats are doing something deeply unpopular. The percentage of people self-identifying as Dem drops. Right now, the GOP controls the less-popular-than-The-Clap Congress, and is nominating the Shitgibbon for President. A lot of ‘casually attached’ Republicans are probably calling themselves independent right about now… So the Dem/Rep/Ind ratios are not just a weighting variable, they’re a data point.

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:23:15pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, another mass shooting (4+ shot). Reset the clock!

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freetoken  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:23:33pm

The field of populations genetics can be easily misused. Steve Sailer does it all the time, for one glaring example.

But it is a subdiscipline of genetics and thus part of the scientific community and there are many journals which publish research in this subfield. The discoveries are not hidden, except behind paywalls, and even then fortunately many publications are now open.

Where Scott Brown errs (in regards to science) is his assertion that Warren has to take a DNA to prove (that is, a positive result) Native American ancestry, when a negative result cannot itself rule out the fact that one may indeed have Native American ancestors.

When I first started reading about this stuff one of the bigger surprises I came across is the phenomenon whereby we simply are not composed of DNA for most of our ancestors. We have, we are, DNA from only a small subset of our ancestors. Yes, we have DNA from all our great grand parents, and even 2nd great grandparents, but as early as 3rd great grandparents we can start losing ancestors, and this becomes quite dramatic by the time we are looking at 7th and 8th great grandparents, which harken back to the 1600’s.

Many Americans have early colonial ancestors from the 1600’s and some of these have passed down stories to us today. But if a person just has one NA ancestor as a 7th great grandparent, there is non-trivial probability that one never inherited that DNA from that person.

Furthermore, Native American tribes had admixed with Europeans and Africans after a few centuries. So somebody could have had a 3rd great grandparent who was technically “Native American” in the sense that person had NA ancestors and even lived with NAs in their time, but they could have also had European or African ancestors too. And thus whatever DNA one might have gotten from that ancestor may not have been the NA portion.

The bottom line is that Scott Brown is implying that a negative result from a DNA test would prove that Warren was lying. Regardless of the origin of Warren’s story, a negative return on a DNA test cannot rule out that Warren had (deep) NA ancestors, for the reasons I wrote above.

Thus, for all of Brown’s other dickish qualities, he fails at science.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:23:35pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:23:42pm

Perhaps more appropriate to the last thread but I was out doing my morning run (5 miles today!) and so here we are.

I’m really happy to have come back to the good news on HB2. These days my nightmares don’t revolve around any kind of classic scary situation but instead moral dilemmas of what I would do if I was pregnant. I had one of those last night, where I finally discovered the pregnancy 5 months along, and let’s be clear: I don’t want kids. That doesn’t change even in my dreams.

But what also doesn’t change is that while I am incredibly pro-choice, that doesn’t mean that I know the choice I personally would make in that situation, which means the dreams are incredibly upsetting as I’m wrestling with how I feel about it.

And every time someone claims to be pro-life but also stands in the way of sex education, easy access to birth control, and in general making the lives of women who both want or do not want children more difficult in terms of access to reproductive health care, I think back to how those nightmares feel.

In other news, I’d really like those nightmares to stop already, because they suck. Period.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:24:12pm

re: #60 Sir John Barron

I just can’t get over how Severely Conservative Less Government True Patriot Americans Who Hate Government like Hannity are in the tank for Trump who, if he’s an actual conservative, has apparently undergone a rather recent and miraculous conversion.

I think Sean’s in the tank for Trump because they hate alot of the same things. Nit likewise I wouldn’t be surprised after Trump loses, Hannity to claim that he never was a real conservative anyhow.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:25:20pm
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Tigger2  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:28:03pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:28:31pm

re: #70 Tigger2

LMAO

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But he still won. //

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:28:35pm

re: #63 Blind Frog Belly White

Polling is anything but science. It’s an art, particularly since there’s all kinds of biases that can be introduced, whether it’s the nature of questions, the order of the questions, and the sample sizes.

Larger sample sizes reduce the MOE, but cost more, so pollsters look for a balance between sample size and a reasonable MOE.

Then, based on the cross section of population that responded in the poll, they look at past elections and polls and see how people responded - and if there’s significant differences, they’ll statistically weight the outputs accordingly.

That’s why it’s always useful to look at the crosstabs to see the raw figures and weightings, if any.

But here’s the thing - Hannity’s busy claiming Trump is up 20 points.

That simply defies reality, because there hasn’t been a poll showing Trump even up more than a MOE on Clinton. This claim is so preposterous that it shows total BS and attempting to lie to keep Trump supporters engaged (and enraged).

When you look at Reuters, RCP, or other polling aggregators, this shows just how out of touch Hannity is on the polling and claiming to unskew ‘em.

What he’s trying to do with the statistics of the polls would be laughed out of any stats class.

But that’s why he fits in with the GOP/Trump cheerleading corps. All lies, all the time.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:28:56pm

re: #58 Kragar

Had a bunch of idiots swarm in last night, so I went with “Block everyone”.

So, you’re saying you did this?

Watch as Pastor Uses Invisible Power to Knock Down Church Members

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freetoken  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:29:13pm

SCOTUSblog 40 minutes ago promised to fill my twitter feed… but they still seem to be having technical problems…

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Jay C  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:29:24pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

I think Sean’s in the tank for Trump because they hate alot of the same things. Nit likewise I wouldn’t be surprised after Trump loses, Hannity to claim that he never was a real conservative anyhow.

Yes, amazing how many conservatives who lose elections never really WERE ” true conservatives” . Strange….

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:29:25pm

re: #72 lawhawk

Polling is anything but science. It’s an art, particularly since there’s all kinds of biases that can be introduced, whether it’s the nature of questions, the order of the questions, and the sample sizes.

Larger sample sizes reduce the MOE, but cost more, so pollsters look for a balance between sample size and a reasonable MOE.

Then, based on the cross section of population that responded in the poll, they look at past elections and polls and see how people responded - and if there’s significant differences, they’ll statistically weight the outputs accordingly.

That’s why it’s always useful to look at the crosstabs to see the raw figures and weightings, if any.

But here’s the thing - Hannity’s busy claiming Trump is up 20 points.

That simply defies reality, because there hasn’t been a poll showing Trump even up more than a MOE on Clinton. This claim is so preposterous that it shows total BS and attempting to lie to keep Trump supporters engaged (and enraged).

When you look at Reuters, RCP, or other polling aggregators, this shows just how out of touch Hannity is on the polling and claiming to unskew ‘em.

What he’s trying to do with the statistics of the polls would be laughed out of any stats class.

But that’s why he fits in with the GOP/Trump cheerleading corps. All lies, all the time.

Right, Hannity’s claiming the polls are off by 30 points. Laughable shit.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:29:38pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

But he still won. //

Those delegates DON’T COUNT YET. THEY DON’T.

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:30:57pm

re: #48 HappyWarrior

It would be great to see Hannity humiliated but I think you have to have a sense of shame to have that and Hannity has shown he has no sense of shame.

Sometimes the bosses override such trifling things like no shame, arrogance, etc. If he becomes disliked and a weight on the ol’ FOX network…bye bye!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:30:58pm

re: #75 Jay C

Yes, amazing how many conservatives who lose elections never really WERE ” true conservatives” . Strange….

Or when they inevitably fail in office like Bush did, he suddenly became a RINO.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:31:09pm

re: #74 freetoken

SCOTUSblog 40 minutes ago promised to fill my twitter feed… but they still seem to be having technical problems…

This is the last I saw from them.

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Tigger2  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:31:49pm
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Franklin  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:32:43pm
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KGxvi  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:33:34pm

re: #24 Kragar

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When your argument starts off with “as Gateway Pundit reported…”, you’ve lost.

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freetoken  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:33:37pm

I wonder if Bob McDonnell thinks today’s ruling will restart his political career.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:33:39pm

re: #39 Nyet

I don’t understand the “they polled more Ds” criticism.
Who says there are 50% of Ds and 50% of Rs?

Tweety Matthews says that every chance he can!

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Tigger2  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:33:44pm

re: #73 SoundGuy 2016

So, you’re saying you did this?

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I wonder how much it cost him for those actors in that video.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:34:42pm

re: #83 KGxvi

When your argument starts off with “as Gateway Pundit reported…”, you’ve lost.

Ain’t that the truth.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:35:02pm

re: #53 MsJ

LOL!

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That would be like Moe Trump slapping Joe Besser…

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:37:17pm

re: #63 Blind Frog Belly White

I think it’s standard practice to weight the polls by demographic stats. Whether it’s problematic is a separate issue (I think previous elections have shown that the poll aggregates are pretty accurate - and those are of weighted polls), but it’s being done.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:37:59pm

re: #73 SoundGuy 2016

So, you’re saying you did this?

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He’s got nothing on these guys!

Pastor Street Fighter 2 [12 Church Warrior Edition]

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:38:13pm

re: #65 freetoken

I’ve just read several articles that say there are false positives. Is that accounted for?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:39:37pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:39:44pm

re: #84 freetoken

I wonder if Bob McDonnell thinks today’s ruling will restart his political career.

I hope not but he’s a narcissistic asshole. I was with a group of student protesters during the transvaginal ultra-sound debate and he showed himself to be very condescending to the young women I was with.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:39:57pm

I am thinking @SCOTUSblog got hacked.

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KGxvi  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:40:29pm

re: #39 Nyet

I don’t understand the “they polled more Ds” criticism.
Who says there are 50% of Ds and 50% of Rs?

According to Gallup the numbers are:

Republican 27
Independent 41
Democratic 30

Getting the Independents to factor in leaning it’s 48/41 Democratic.

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EPR-radar  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:40:41pm

re: #64 lawhawk

So, another mass shooting (4+ shot). Reset the clock!

If guns saturate US society then every moment of rage, passion or even irritation is likely to be a lethally dangerous moment of rage, passion or irritation.

The resulting death and injury toll is absolutely inevitable if one buys into the premises that guns should be widespread and readily available for self defense use (which is the bare minimum pro-gun position, as far as I can tell).

(repeat of my comment on dead thread)

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:40:44pm

re: #94 MsJ

Absolutely.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:41:24pm

re: #94 MsJ

I am thinking @SCOTUSblog got hacked.

I think you’re right.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:42:26pm

Right wing script kiddies.
Wheee!

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:43:01pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:43:21pm
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freetoken  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:44:00pm
Following Monday’s ruling, the Justices are expected to act tomorrow on two pending cases involving similar state laws involving hospital admitting privileges for abortion doctors — laws in Mississippi and Wisconsin.

So, we can expect more gnashing of teeth tomorrow?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:44:19pm

re: #102 freetoken

So, we can expect more gnashing of teeth tomorrow?

I think so.

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Kragar  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:45:56pm

Somebody got hacked

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:46:03pm

re: #70 Tigger2

LMAO

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Seriously. Some shit came across my FB feed from a Bernieac friend:

BREAKING: Bernie has now FLIPPED both Los Angeles city & San Fransisco county! This means that he has effectively WON CALIFORNIA!

Now, I live here, so I certainly would expect to have heard about THAT! So I checked the Secretary of State’s website. Nope. Sanders is still >400,000 votes behind. LA and SF both stills strongly for Clinton. Hmmmm.

A little deeper digging, and I discovered that ONE district in LA had flipped to Sanders. That’s out of EIGHTEEN districts that make up LA.

In SF? Well, there are two districts, both of which still show Clinton with a strong lead. District 13 shows up under San Francisco and Alameda Counties, but there aren’t any SF County votes in the results. But Sanders did win that one.

So, whoever wrote this exaggerated ONE district of EIGHTEEN into a whole county, did something similar in SF, and then concluded that because Sanders had now won SF and LA, he’d won the whole of California!!!

I called bullshit. Next thing I know, I have two Berniacs claiming Bernie’s been gaining on Clinton, and can still win.

Nuh-uh. On Election Night, the gap was 438,000. As of last Friday evening, it was 428,000. 20 days of counting, and additional 1.8 million ballots counted, and he netted 10,000 votes. Mind you, it looks like he’s closed the gap a lot more, because the PERCENT gap shrunk, as the numerator remained constant and the divisor increased. But no, he’s not closing the gap.

BUT, one guy said, there are so many uncounted ballots!!! Right. About 600,000 uncounted. From ALL PARTIES - Democratic, Republican, Green, AIP, etc. Democratic ballots might be about 2/3 of those, so 400,000.

Sanders is behind by 428,000. I don’t see him getting >100% of them.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:46:36pm

re: #104 Kragar

I reported it a couple of times.

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William of Orange  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:46:42pm

His name is Scott Brown, but he doesn’t have to prove to me he’s a turd.

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KGxvi  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:46:45pm

re: #101 goddamnedfrank

I really think the next PM (assuming it’s not the asshole from UKIP) does a “on second thought, chaps, all is right, carry on.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:46:58pm

re: #94 MsJ

I am thinking @SCOTUSblog got hacked.

Naw, they do this every time at end of session.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:47:35pm

re: #107 William of Orange

Now now, don’t go all scottological on us.

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freetoken  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:47:50pm

re: #91 Nyet

I’ve just read several articles that say there are false positives. Is that accounted for?

Out of context, I have no idea.

The whole field is full of hot-button claims and counter-claims. That’s why I try to stick with the literature, or people acknowledged as leading researchers in the field, or the few companies that seem to be a notch more legitimate (like 23andMe) than the small fly-by-night operations.

In general, in empirical research, false positives are as possible as false negatives, if we have no other knowledge. That is, there is no reason to predispose any reasoning towards a result being a false positive or a false negative unless we have more information by which to judge the data.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:47:58pm

re: #89 Nyet

I think it’s standard practice to weight the polls by demographic stats. Whether it’s problematic is a separate issue (I think previous elections have shown that the poll aggregates are pretty accurate - and those are of weighted polls), but it’s being done.

Yes, which is why I said “… Dem/Rep/Ind ratios are not just a weighting variable, they’re a data point.”

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:49:20pm

From the sucks to be him file.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:50:06pm

re: #111 freetoken

Could you give one or two specific authoritative links that dispute what is posted in the OP?

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freetoken  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:50:38pm

re: #114 Nyet

Could you give one or two specific authoritative links that dispute what is posted in the OP?

See the link I gave to Bustamente’s work.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:50:48pm

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

Naw, they do this every time at end of session.

Really? Those seem to be really out there tweets. I can see celebrating the end but they were going to do a tweet storm, then stopped for tech difficulties, waited another 20 minutes and things got really weird. Surprisingly weird.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:50:55pm

re: #113 MsJ

From the sucks to be him file.

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Not really, he’s grifting off of it and will probably get more moeny.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:51:48pm

re: #117 HappyWarrior

Not really, he’s grifting off of it and will probably get more moeny.

If so he’ll be breaking the law:

Late last week, the Federal Elections commission ruled that he had to use his own personal funds, not campaign funds to pay the $25,00 settlement.

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:52:43pm

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

Beach Dem’s comment about Scott Brown’s own heritage lie downstairs is very pertinent to this post.
littlegreenfootballs.com

And the link to the article, which I couldn’t find when I posted that comment.

patch.com

and the NYT retraction

nytimes.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:52:43pm

re: #116 MsJ

Really? Those seem to be really out there tweets. I can see celebrating the end but they were going to do a tweet storm, then stopped for tech difficulties, waited another 20 minutes and things got really weird. Surprisingly weird.

It’s their way of making fun of all the trolls who believe that SCOTUSblog is the actual SCOTUS.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:52:48pm

re: #118 MsJ

If so he’ll be breaking the law:

Oooh?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:53:16pm

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s their way of making fun of all the trolls who believe that SCOTUSblog is the actual SCOTUS.

Ah so they have a sense of humor there. Damn it, I knew it would have been a good fit to work there.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:53:59pm

re: #108 KGxvi

I really think the next PM (assuming it’s not the asshole from UKIP) does a “on second thought, chaps, all is right, carry on.”

Parliament, both Conservative and Labour, seem to be pretty solidly “Remain”. All they have to do is say: “Sorry, chaps, turns out it can’t be done, so we’re not going to do it.” If they stick together, the whole thing will blow over.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:54:14pm

re: #115 freetoken

See the link I gave to Bustamente’s work.

Specific. You gave a link to his lab.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:54:32pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:54:38pm

re: #111 freetoken

Out of context, I have no idea.

The whole field is full of hot-button claims and counter-claims. That’s why I try to stick with the literature, or people acknowledged as leading researchers in the field, or the few companies that seem to be a notch more legitimate (like 23andMe) than the small fly-by-night operations.

In general, in empirical research, false positives are as possible as false negatives, if we have no other knowledge. That is, there is no reason to predispose any reasoning towards a result being a false positive or a false negative unless we have more information by which to judge the data.

Well, shit! That’s no fun! Laymen only understand “This result is ABSOLUTELY DEFINITIVE!!! and proves WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY! one way or another!!!”

Then when your initial tentative conclusion based on a small sample is not supported by a larger study, “Science keeps changing its mind!!!”

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gocart mozart  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:56:07pm
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freetoken  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:56:38pm

Henry Gates has written some blogs at ancestry.com touching on some issues of using DNA to find ancestors:

How to Test Your Family Legends with DNA

The question of Native American ancestry must come up quite often because I see that ancestry.com has several entries about it:

blogs.ancestry.com

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:56:39pm

re: #127 gocart mozart

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:56:44pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

Oooh?

I mean he can fund-raise, but how does he get the money to his personal account to pay it out of his own pocket? I don’t see a legal way to do that. But hey, Trump is paying himself a salary from his fundraising so who know anymore.

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KGxvi  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:57:03pm

re: #123 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Parliament, both Conservative and Labour, seem to be pretty solidly “Remain”. All they have to do is say: “Sorry, chaps, turns out it can’t be done, so we’re not going to do it.” If they stick together, the whole thing will blow over.

I think between both major parties being solidly Remain (as well as the regional parties in Scotland and Northern Ireland), and the nearly immediate Brexigret when people realized what it actually meant is probably enough for it to not happen. It’ll be interesting to see what the rest of the EU does - there really isn’t any way for them to kick the UK out (not without suggesting that the UK government is violating democratic principles and/or the rule of law, anyway); but there could be a move for further integration, like adoption of the Euro.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:57:14pm

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s their way of making fun of all the trolls who believe that SCOTUSblog is the actual SCOTUS.

How? Posing as a right-wing anti-SCOTUS troll?

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:57:17pm

re: #122 HappyWarrior

Ah so they have a sense of humor there. Damn it, I knew it would have been a good fit to work there.

Do you keep in touch with them? If not, you should. :-)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:58:23pm

re: #115 freetoken

See the link I gave to Bustamente’s work.

I’m interested in the finding that you can completely lose evidence of a particular ancestor in just a few generations. We think that crossover recombination at meiosis is random, and it is a natural human failing to presume that ‘random’ means ‘even’, so I could see how it happens and why it’s unexpected.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:59:21pm

re: #133 MsJ

Do you keep in touch with them? If not, you should. :-)

Nah, I just sent in an application when they had a vacancy and didn’t get picked. No hard feelings really but it was a position i was interested in.

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gocart mozart  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:59:26pm
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freetoken  Jun 27, 2016 • 1:59:32pm

re: #126 Blind Frog Belly White

The thing is, I doubt most people walk around with awareness that any test can be either a false negative or a false positive, until they go to their doctor and get a diagnosis for a serious disease and then need to get “second opinions”, which of course are attempts to show that the first diagnosis was a false positive.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:01:19pm

HERE COMES PAPA CRIMBLECHEEKS

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:01:40pm

The SCOTUSBlog tweets have been deleted btw.

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freetoken  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:02:13pm

re: #134 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m interested in the finding that you can completely lose evidence of a particular ancestor in just a few generations.

There was a population geneticist who wrote up a nice little summary about that a few years ago:

gcbias.org

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gocart mozart  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:02:29pm

CSPAN makes a joke.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:03:23pm

re: #135 HappyWarrior

Nah, I just sent in an application when they had a vacancy and didn’t get picked. No hard feelings really but it was a position i was interested in.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:04:22pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:05:10pm

re: #142 MsJ

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:05:31pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

Holy cow!

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:06:03pm

And @SCOTUSblog is back.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:06:17pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:06:24pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

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Cartoon Villainy AWAY!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:06:33pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

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OK, that does it! Time to fold the tents on this circus!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:07:13pm

I’m sure the excuse will be that it was rigged for Clinton in the first place because she had more money or some crap like that.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:07:30pm

Gotta git for a bit. BBL

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:08:04pm

Would’ve gotten away with it too if it weren’t for you meddling kids and that dog!

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gocart mozart  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:08:33pm
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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:09:16pm

re: #127 gocart mozart

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Belafon  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:09:28pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

Is that real? I’ve never heard of the Daily Intelligencer.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:09:30pm

A search for petur eyhildur doesn’t bring up any Icelandic lullabies… Pretty sure it’s a sweet joke.

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Danack  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:09:32pm
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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:10:04pm

re: #155 Belafon

NYMag.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:10:12pm

re: #152 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Would’ve gotten away with it too if it weren’t for you meddling kids and that dog!

Jinkies, Old man Sanders.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:10:46pm

re: #159 HappyWarrior

Jinkies, Old man Sanders.

That silliness made my day.

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gocart mozart  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:11:54pm

re: #155 Belafon

It’s New York Magazine’s blog, it’s legit.

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Kragar  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:12:22pm
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plansbandc  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:12:58pm

Read this today and the stupid was so overwhelming, I felt like taking the rest of the day of from internetting.

FFS

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EPR-radar  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:13:15pm

re: #153 gocart mozart

Since when does it make sense for Republicans to talk about unproductive Senators? The entire GOP Senate caucus is a totally useless waste of space. They can’t even do their damn job as it relates to a SCOTUS nomination.

The main stream media is so useless on this topic. If they were doing their jobs at even a 20% effort level, no Republican anywhere would dare to talk about “unproductive Senators”.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:14:02pm

re: #164 EPR-radar

Since when does it make sense for Republicans to talk about unproductive Senators? The entire GOP Senate caucus is a totally useless waste of space. They can’t even do their damn job as it relates to a SCOTUS nomination.

The main stream media is so useless on this topic. If they were doing their jobs at even a 20% effort level, no Republican anywhere would dare to talk about “unproductive Senators”.

You’re talking about the guy who calls other people nasty.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:14:39pm

re: #162 Kragar

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He’s desperate. Russia is a lonely place for him no doubt.

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majii  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:15:07pm

re: #24 Kragar

On yesterday, I was wondering how long it would take for some right-winger to “unskew” the polls, declare that those showing HRC leading Trump are wrong, and then declare that Trump is actually leading HRC. I didn’t have to wait long. Hannity stepped up and took the first swing at the “flawed” polls. He’s taking one for the team in the effort to maintain the “conservative bubble” which is heavily invested in denying truth and reality. Over the next few months, I’m making it my major goal of working with my local Democratic Party to get HRC elected. Being retired gives me the time to do it, and it also helps that the remodel on my home is winding down.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:15:16pm
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Kragar  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:15:18pm
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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:15:54pm

re: #162 Kragar

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Don’t you, ya know, have to have a trial and be convicted of something before you get a pardon? (IANAL)

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wrenchwench  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:16:23pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:16:43pm

re: #170 BeachDem

Don’t you, ya know, have to have a trial and be convicted of something before you get a pardon? (IANAL)

Yes, which is what I pointed out when Snowden first disclose what he did and there were petitions everywhere demanding that Obama pardon him.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:16:45pm

I want Scott Brown to submit to an IQ test.

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EPR-radar  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:17:05pm

re: #166 HappyWarrior

He’s desperate. Russia is a lonely place for him no doubt.

Snowden is probably too old to learn to play chess at a decent level, which is about the only thing I can think of to do in Russia.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:17:23pm

re: #171 wrenchwench

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EPR-radar  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:18:14pm

re: #173 Shiplord Kirel

I want Scott Brown to submit to an IQ test.

I want Scott Brown to disappear up his own rectum. We already know he’s an idiot.

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:18:14pm

Petur is hanging in the shed. Don’t be like Petur.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:19:59pm

re: #177 jaunte

Petur is hanging in the shed. Don’t be like Petur.

“Hang me hide in the shed, Fred….”

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:20:19pm
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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:21:31pm

re: #169 Kragar

You don’t understand it, sheeple. Snowden will be pardoned and then BAM - indictments - Bernie is the President, Snowden his VP. It is me, Ha Ha Goodone.

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Kragar  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:22:51pm

re: #180 Nyet

It all makes sense now.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:23:30pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

This one checks out.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:25:26pm

re: #175 HappyWarrior

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:25:44pm
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KGxvi  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:25:49pm

re: #170 BeachDem

Don’t you, ya know, have to have a trial and be convicted of something before you get a pardon? (IANAL)

Nixon was pardoned without having been indicted. There’s nothing preventing the president from issuing a pardon whenever he wants.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:26:29pm

re: #185 KGxvi

Nixon was pardoned without having been indicted. There’s nothing preventing the president from issuing a pardon whenever he wants.

Good point there, I had actually forgotten about that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:29:14pm

re: #185 KGxvi

Nixon was pardoned without having been indicted. There’s nothing preventing the president from issuing a pardon whenever he wants.

Kentucky’s previous Republican governor, Ernie Fletcher, preemptively pardoned every single person in his administration.

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:30:00pm

re: #185 KGxvi

Nixon was pardoned without having been indicted. There’s nothing preventing the president from issuing a pardon whenever he wants.

Thanks—and since YAAL, I yield to your far superior knowledge.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:30:34pm

re: #187 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kentucky’s previous Republican governor, Ernie Fletcher, preemptively pardoned every single person in his administration.

Oh, and those pardons were for anything and everything that could possibly happen.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:31:00pm

re: #174 EPR-radar

Snowden is probably too old to learn to play chess at a decent level, which is about the only thing I can think of to do in Russia.

There’s a very active Russian counted cross-stitch community.

Not that I really think embroidery is Snowden’s thing…

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:32:02pm

I was curious about the Texas mother shooting her daughters and just did a Google search to see if any details are coming out.

People.com - 5 Things to Know About Christy Sheats, the Texas Mother Killed by Police After Fatally Shooting Her Two Daughters

On Friday, police in Texas responded to a home in the small town of Katy, where they found the bodies of two young women lying in the street.

According to investigators, the two victims - Taylor Sheats, 22, and Madison Sheats, 17 - were killed by their own mother, 42-year-old Christy Sheats, who was fatally shot by a responding officer.

Authorities allege Sheats started shooting her daughters inside the home, and continued firing bullets at them as they fled. Sheats was killed by police after refusing to drop her weapon during a brief standoff. Investigators have not released a motive, but they say the violence was preceded by a verbal argument between the three.

Here are five things to know about Friday’s fatal shooting in Katy, Texas:

1. Christy Sheats Had a History of Mental Illness

Police tell PEOPLE they had been called to the Sheats home prior to Friday’s violence, and that the killer mother allegedly had a history of mental illness.

The Fort Bend County Sheriff’s Office had been to Sheats’ home “for previous altercations” involving her “mental crisis,” a sheriff’s spokeswoman tells PEOPLE, declining to elaborate on those incidents.

2. Sheats’ Husband Begged Her Not to Shoot Their Children

Police say the shooting happened on the birthday of Sheats’ husband, Jason, and that he was home at the time of the shooting. He ran for help when the bullets rang out, police say.

Eyewitnesses told police that Sheats’ husband tried pleading with his wife, begging her not to hurt their two daughters. “Don’t do this,” he’s alleged to have said to her. “They’re our kids,’” police say.

3. Sheats and Her Daughters Shared Warm Feelings on Social Media

In September, Christy made a posting on Facebook, recognizing “Daughter’s Day.”

“Happy Daughter’s Day to my two amazing, sweet, kind, beautiful, intelligent girls,” she wrote. “I love and treasure you both more than you could ever possibly know.”

On Mother’s Day three years ago, Taylor Sheats shared an old photo of her mother, calling her one of the biggest influences in her life.

“Mom, you are so selfless, as you always put our whole family before yourself and never ask for anything in return,” the post read. “You’re so kind and loving, as you always remind us of just how much you care and how proud you are of everything we do. You’re so intelligent and fun to be around because I feel like I can talk to you for forever now about anything.”

The post concluded: “You’re one of the strongest people I know, if not the strongest, and you have had to overcome so much in your life but you still manage to love us and put your everything into being a mom. You’re so encouraging, as you always push us to do our absolute best, even when we can’t muster up the strength to do it ourselves. You’re such a blessing to have as a mother and friend and I truly appreciate you and all that you do. Happy Mother’s Day to my amazing mommy and I love you.”

4. Sheats Posted Pro-Gun Opinions

On Facebook, Sheats describes herself as a Baptist and a conservative who cherished her second amendment rights to gun ownership.

She made several social media posts proclaiming her love for guns and her desire to own them so she could protect her family.

In one post, she wrote that “it would be horribly tragic if my ability to protect myself or my family were to be taken away, but that’s exactly what Democrats are determined to do by banning semi-automatic handguns.”

5. Sheats Had Recently Reconciled With Her Husband

Neighbors told police the couple had recently reconciled following a brief separation. Police tell PEOPLE it isn’t clear how long the couple had split up for.

Those same neighbors told local media Sheats’ husband was a doting father who cared dearly for his daughters.

So…local law enforcement was aware she may have had mental issues…but gun anyway.

Link in above story goes to another story from yesterday at People.

People.com - Texas Mom Who Killed 2 Daughters Had a ‘History of Mental Illness,’ Authorities Say

The Texas woman who killed her two daughters on Friday, before being shot and killed by police herself, allegedly had a history of mental illness, officials say. And she had posted multiple times on social media about her support of firearms.

The Fort Bend County Sheriff’s Office had been to Christy Sheats’ home “for previous altercations” involving Sheats’ “mental crisis,” sheriff’s spokeswoman Caitilin Espinosa tells PEOPLE.

She declined to provide more detail about those incidents.

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KGxvi  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:32:25pm

re: #188 BeachDem

Thanks—and since YAAL, I yield to your far superior knowledge.

I wouldn’t call my knowledge “far superior”. I actually had to double check if there was some sort of process in place (there is but constitutionally speaking, the president doesn’t have to follow it).

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:33:07pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

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It’s Papa Crimblecheeks!

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:34:11pm

re: #191 ObserverArt

No offense intended, but item 1 is why there shouldn’t have been any guns in that house.

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:41:04pm

re: #194 Nyet

No offense intended, but item 1 is why there shouldn’t have been any guns in that house.

If directed at me…why would I be offended?

I did read some of the comments. Many were on this very point…why were there guns in her house knowing her issues.

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blueraven  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:42:47pm

Ummm…I really miss Jon Stewart.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:44:02pm

re: #195 ObserverArt

If directed at me…why would I be offended?

I did read some of the comments. Many were on this very point…why were there guns in her house knowing her issues.

To anyone struggling with mental illness.

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majii  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:44:41pm

re: #162 Kragar

If I were POTUS, he could expect nothing from me. That he released some info we needed to know was OK with me, but when he went running to China and Russia, of all places, that was the last straw for me. He could have remained in the U.S. and released his info to a member of Congress or to a major news outlet, and he wouldn’t be in Russia “hoping” President Obama pardons him. As POTUS, I’d leave his butt exactly where he is. What has happened to Snowden, being trapped in Russia, reminds me of something my parents used to tell me all of the time: “There’s a proper way to do anything.” Snowden chose the wrong way. Now, he is tired of living in Russia, is very homesick, and wants to come home, but he doesn’t want to be held responsible for the things he did. I’d rather see the president release more non-violent drug offenders from prison than see him pardon Snowden.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:45:09pm

re: #196 blueraven

I haven’t seen any DS clips posted here since Jon left. It tells me something about the quality of the new DS.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:45:10pm

re: #185 KGxvi

Nixon was pardoned without having been indicted. There’s nothing preventing the president from issuing a pardon whenever he wants.

True, however the Burdick case establishes that the acceptance of a pardon carries the “imputation of guilt.” Ford reportedly carried a copy of that passage from the Burdick v US decision in his pocket and showed it to anyone who gave him shit over his decision to pardon Nixon.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:45:12pm

re: #196 blueraven

Ummm…I really miss Jon Stewart.

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You’re not off. Stewart recruited a lot of top notch writers to the Daily Show.

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Anymouse  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:45:17pm

re: #83 KGxvi

When your argument starts off with “as Gateway Pundit reported…”, you’ve lost.

So if you quote the Stupidest Man on the Internet, does that make you the Stupidest Man on Television?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:48:44pm

re: #194 Nyet

No offense intended, but item 1 is why there shouldn’t have been any guns in that house.

Absolutely.

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Tigger2  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:51:04pm

Things that make you laugh.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:53:13pm

re: #204 Tigger2

Things that make you laugh.

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Gee another hypocritical anti-gay right wing politician.

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:53:46pm

re: #162 Kragar

No. Just no. Next?!

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majii  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:57:44pm

re: #175 HappyWarrior

I can imagine the angst Abbott, Paxton, and RWers in the state legislature are experiencing since their attempt to place unconstitutional restrictions on women seeking abortions in TX has been slapped down by the SCOTUS. I can imagine the cussing [not cursing,] the throwing back of numerous drinks of alcoholic beverages, and the plotting going on to find a way around this ruling. I also remember at the same time that these guys bill themselves as “God’s best servants.” I’m enjoying this too much, but I can also imagine they’re calling their buddies who run “pro-life” special interest groups because you can be darn sure they are the ones helping them plot their next move. And, I won’t put it past them to send out a fundraising email stating that the Court made an “unconstitutional” decision in this case, and it will also bash the president and the left” for “spreading godlessness in America.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 2:58:49pm
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Tigger2  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:01:13pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:01:33pm

Creepy. An image from a Snopes article about the Texas mom. It was posted on Facebook.

snopes.com - Texas Mom Christy Sheats Shoots, Kills Daughters

And a portion of the Snopes article that is chilling:

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Local news outlets indicated police were investigating the tragedy, and one such outlet reported that eyewitness had stated Sheats went back into her house for more ammunition as her daughters lay wounded in the street:

An eyewitness saw Taylor, Madison and Jason running out of their home. According to the eyewitness, the young women were already wounded. The neighbor said Taylor collapsed on the street and he saw Christy come outside with a gun and then go back inside to reload. When she emerged again, she shot Madison in the back, according to the eyewitness.

Another neighbor who witnessed part of the incident told reporters that Christy Sheats was shot as she approached a dying Madison Sheats, possibly with the intent to shoot the teenager again. The Fort Bend County Sheriff’s Office tweeted twice about the shooting, once during the incident and once again afterwards to identify the deceased:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:03:41pm

re: #210 ObserverArt

Creepy. An image from a Snopes article about the Texas mom. It was posted on Facebook.

snopes.com - Texas Mom Christy Sheats Shoots, Kills Daughters

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And a portion of the Snopes article that is chilling:

She should have 0 guns and I’m sick of right wing assholes like the NRA/GOA encouraging disturbed people like her that they need more guns.

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stpaulbear  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:04:43pm
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freetoken  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:04:53pm

WaPo posts on human evolution:

Dear Science: Why aren’t apes evolving into humans?

Already over a thousand comments.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:09:11pm

re: #213 freetoken

WaPo posts on human evolution:

Dear Science: Why aren’t apes evolving into humans?

Already over a thousand comments.

Why aren’t we the same people our relatives are!//

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gocart mozart  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:11:23pm

re: #164 EPR-radar

Since when does it make sense for Republicans to talk about unproductive Senators? The entire GOP Senate caucus is a totally useless waste of space. They can’t even do their damn job as it relates to a SCOTUS nomination.

Forget it Jake, it’s Trump Town.

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KerFuFFler  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:11:35pm

re: #16 SoundGuy 2016

Warren’s ‘advancement of her career’ was filling out an application for a college professorship with ‘Native American’ and she filled in a percentage. Whoop-Dee-Do.

IIRC, Warren had already been hired by Harvard. At some point Harvard had their faculty members fill out little questionnaires regarding their heritage. Harvard used the results to burnish their inclusivity cred———and while that was a little tacky on Harvard’s part, that was not Warren’s fault. She never sought advancement based on her ancestry, and she did not “take up a slot” that might have gone to someone with more Native American blood. In fact, you have to have a larger percentage of Native American ancestry than Warren thought she had to even qualify for any scholarships or similar affirmative action recognition. The whole story was just a sh*t sandwich of a nothing-burger.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:12:12pm

re: #213 freetoken

WaPo posts on human evolution:

Dear Science: Why aren’t apes evolving into humans?

Already over a thousand comments.

I think conservatives have gotten even dumber about evolution in the last ten years. They’re… devolving.

This is ridiculous. Any scientist with sense accepts creation as how everything came from in the big bang. We are not apes. Ape will never be man. Apes can NOT evolve into a higher form. Stop thinking that it is possible.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:12:20pm

re: #216 KerFuFFler

I think the official in charge denied that it played any role in advancement.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:12:23pm

good grief

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Dave In Austin  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:12:37pm

re: #213 freetoken

WaPo posts on human evolution:

Dear Science: Why aren’t apes evolving into humans?

Already over a thousand comments.

Along those same lines…… Pancakes!!

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Robert O.  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:13:59pm

On a totally unrelated note, has anyone noticed the irony that England hates Europe so much that not only has it “Brexited” from the European Union, but from the European Championship as well!! OMG….what a stunning upset. I was supporting Iceland right from the start of the competition because they are so unusually good in the current year, for a country with only 300k people and a climate totally unsuitable for outdoor summer sports. Who doesn’t love an underdog?

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Anymouse  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:18:46pm

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nope. He is opposed to abortion.

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freetoken  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:21:01pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

Creationism is now 100% reactionism to modernity. A religious person in the late 19th or early 20th century may have maintained a creationist belief because, well, there just wasn’t as much known about earth’s past in those days, compared to today.

But today - creationism is all about staking out an identity.

Much like Drumpfskind and his followers, who are in full scale revolt over the passage of time and the changes in society.

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EPR-radar  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:21:05pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh, and those pardons were for anything and everything that could possibly happen.

That’s pretty spectacular. Did the main stream media sleep through this story?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:21:09pm

Update on the Oregon shooting:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:22:34pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

The problem with convincing yourself that the election system is rigged is that it then give you an excuse to cheat to compensate. After all, you’re just trying to make it fair, right?

But if it’s NOT rigged, you’re the only one doing the rigging.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:23:38pm

re: #224 EPR-radar

That’s pretty spectacular. Did the main stream media sleep through this story?

Not in Kentucky.
Elsewhere? Maybe, because who cares about Kentucky…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:23:49pm

re: #223 freetoken

Creationism is now 100% reactionism to modernity. A religious person in the late 19th or early 20th century may have maintained a creationist belief because, well, there just wasn’t as much known about earth’s past in those days, compared to today.

But today - creationism is all about staking out an identity.

If you insist that the Bible is to be taken literally, then you must reject Evolution, as well as most of the rest of science that supports evolution and a non-Biblically literal origin of the world, along with history, and even basic logic, since the Bible contradicts itself in several places.

And there are people willing to do so, as you said, to establish an “identity”

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Tigger2  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:25:01pm

re: #210 ObserverArt

Creepy. An image from a Snopes article about the Texas mom. It was posted on Facebook.

snopes.com - Texas Mom Christy Sheats Shoots, Kills Daughters

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And a portion of the Snopes article that is chilling:

Christy Sheats in your case if Obama had taken away your 10 guns, you know how many daughters you would have left? Two.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:26:23pm

re: #166 HappyWarrior

He’s desperate. Russia is a lonely place for him no doubt.

But what about all those beautiful Russian women who desire friendship, marriage?

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EPR-radar  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:27:05pm

re: #223 freetoken

Creationism is now 100% reactionism to modernity. A religious person in the late 19th or early 20th century may have maintained a creationist belief because, well, there just wasn’t as much known about earth’s past in those days, compared to today.

But today - creationism is all about staking out an identity.

Much like Drumpfskind and his followers, who are in full scale revolt over the passage of time and the changes in society.

Advocacy of Young Earth Creationism is the recognition signal for membership in the He-Man Enlightenment Haters Club.

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EPR-radar  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:28:18pm

re: #230 Blind Frog Belly White

But what about all those beautiful Russian women who desire friendship, marriage?

I don’t think Snowden’s stipend (if any) from the Russian regime suffices for that kind of entertainment.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:28:21pm

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:30:24pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:30:44pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:31:45pm

re: #230 Blind Frog Belly White

But what about all those beautiful Russian women who desire friendship, marriage?

They desire friendship, marriage or anything else that will get them the hell out of Russia…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:35:34pm

re: #162 Kragar

I would be willing to consider a pardon for Snowden under the following conditions:
1. Snowden returns to the US, presents himself to the DOJ for arrest.
2. Snowden pleads guilty.
3. Snowden is sentenced, and goes to jail.

ALL of that would have to be done by him with no suggestion of a hint of a promise of any leniency. He’d have to come home and take his medicine. Then, MAYBE.

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:36:08pm

re: #230 Blind Frog Belly White

But what about all those beautiful Russian women who desire friendship, marriage?

“Russian women seek men with good judgement.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:36:10pm

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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Somehow I think Cornyn doesn’t understand how pro choice works and the fact that a Republican justice (Kennedy) also was with the majority but go ahead Johnny act like it’s just Democrats who are pro-choice, that’s going ot win you a lot of votes.

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Anymouse  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:37:39pm

re: #228 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If you insist that the Bible is to be taken literally, then you must reject Evolution, as well as most of the rest of science that supports evolution and a non-Biblically literal origin of the world, along with history, and even basic logic, since the Bible contradicts itself in several places.

And there are people willing to do so, as you said, to establish an “identity”

Yes. See people who allow their children to die instead of seeing doctors, Quiverfull wingnuts like the Duggars, county clerks and state supreme court justices like Kim Davis and Roy Moore who defy the courts and Constitution, &c.

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plansbandc  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:37:47pm

Can traitors be pardoned?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:37:58pm

re: #223 freetoken

Creationism is now 100% reactionism to modernity. A religious person in the late 19th or early 20th century may have maintained a creationist belief because, well, there just wasn’t as much known about earth’s past in those days, compared to today.

But today - creationism is all about staking out an identity.

Much like Drumpfskind and his followers, who are in full scale revolt over the passage of time and the changes in society.

It’s just amazing how over 150 years after Darwin wrote his thoughts down that people still don’t understand his theories.

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Anymouse  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:39:55pm

re: #241 plansbandc

Can traitors be pardoned?

Treason is very specifically defined in the Constitution, as taking up arms against the United States, and even then that must have at least two witnesses.

Mr. Snowden is not guilty of treason. That said, he is guilty of a whole lot of other stuff.

As for pardoning treason, has been done already, see Whiskey Rebellion, Civil War, &c.

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Anymouse  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:41:40pm

re: #242 HappyWarrior

It’s just amazing how over 150 years after Darwin wrote his thoughts down that people still don’t understand his theories.

And even if Darwin had never lived, and “On the Origin of Species” had never been written, there are so many interlocking disciplines of science that support the theory that it would still be irrefutable.

Darwin even gave in the book examples of things that might debunk his supposition. Those examples were also shown false.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:43:40pm

I love flipping off gifs and images - the Godzilla in the waves is a favorite.

But this!

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freetoken  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:43:47pm

AOL - whatever that is today (and is it anything other than an old brand name) runs with this headline:

‘World-changing’ book claims to ‘dismantle’ the theory of evolution

The writers are “aol.com EDITORS” - whoever they are.

It’s just the latest creationist effort to milk more $ from their marks.

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plansbandc  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:44:34pm
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freetoken  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:44:46pm
Phillip E. Johnson, Professor Emeritus of Law at U. C. Berkeley and author of “Darwin on Trial” calls Axe’s new research, “bold, insightful and world-changing. It’s also a joy to read. I recommend it highly!”

… uh huh…

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KerFuFFler  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:45:25pm

re: #229 Tigger2

Christy Sheats in your case if Obama had taken away your 10 guns, you know how many daughters you would have left? Two.

Exactly! The sheriff’s office had come out to their house 14 times since 2012 over altercations. That is not the kind of household that can safely keep guns.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:45:27pm

The best example I can think of is this. We all have grandparents, etc but we also have cousins. It’s like while our great great grandparents are long gone. We still remain as do our even distant cousins. It’s just amazing how people hear “Humans share a common ancestor with ape” to mean “Human come from apes.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:45:27pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:45:51pm

re: #246 freetoken

AOL - whatever that is today (and is it anything other than an old brand name) runs with this headline:

‘World-changing’ book claims to ‘dismantle’ the theory of evolution

The writers are “aol.com EDITORS” - whoever they are.

It’s just the latest creationist effort to milk more $ from their marks.

Needz moar Krysten Ritter Eyerolling GIF.

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Kragar  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:45:54pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:46:29pm

re: #251 Backwoods_Sleuth

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No fucking duh. If it was the Quran being used as pretext, would conservatives accept it? Nope they wouldn’t but when it’s done with the Bible, all bets are off I guess.

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freetoken  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:47:01pm

re: #252 Blind Frog Belly White

1743 comments and counting… AOL is just throwing out click-bait because they know it gets clicks.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:47:07pm

re: #248 freetoken

… uh huh…

Because Professors of Law are really the ones I turn to for Biology.

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freetoken  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:47:39pm

re: #256 Blind Frog Belly White

Phillip Johnson is just not another retired law professor.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:48:11pm

re: #248 freetoken

Johnson and Jonathan Wells (both Discovery Institute Fellows) are AIDS denialists. Johnson has written several articles denying the link between HIV and AIDS.[2]

rationalwiki.org

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freetoken  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:48:48pm

Basically it’s a DiscoTute propaganda piece that AOL is running as news.

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Swift2991  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:48:48pm

He needs to take a DNA test to prove he’s not an actual douchebag.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:49:08pm

re: #251 Backwoods_Sleuth

The hits keep coming. What’s a true believer to do?

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freetoken  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:49:47pm

These are people who know how to make money off of ‘Muricans:

corp.aol.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:49:51pm

berners on twitter are getting so desperate that this is the latest attack on Hillary.
And they are using a comment by Andrea Mitchell (“Hillary didn’t mention it because…OHIO!”) as proof of pandering or something equally evil…

I am soooo weary of these people.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:50:29pm

Axe is no stranger to Pandasthumb readers.
Just another hack and fraud.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:51:06pm

re: #259 freetoken

Basically it’s a DiscoTute propaganda piece that AOL is running as news.

Thankfully that means only old geezers will read it./

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:52:23pm

re: #257 freetoken

Phillip Johnson is just not another retired law professor.

So I see. His irrelevant training is just icing on top of the “Doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about” cake.

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freetoken  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:53:19pm

re: #266 Blind Frog Belly White

He’s the founder of DiscoTute and IDiocy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:53:54pm
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Anymouse  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:54:56pm

re: #263 Backwoods_Sleuth

berners on twitter are getting so desperate that this is the latest attack on Hillary.
And they are using a comment by Andrea Mitchell (“Hillary didn’t mention it because…OHIO!”) as proof of pandering or something equally evil…

I am soooo weary of these people.

Was the decision handed down before or after her rally?

As for her not mentioning it, even if it was handed down before the rally, it could well be that Mrs. Clinton did not hear of it before the rally.

Mrs. Clinton has been quite clear on her position about abortion, summed up as “mind your own business.”

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BeachDem  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:55:40pm

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Once again, may I say how much I wish John Fugelsang had taken over the Daily Show.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:56:00pm

Here’s a YEC with a PhD in biochemstry, Todd Wood, a rare example of an honest and smart Biblical creationist, ripping Axe a new one:

toddcwood.blogspot.com

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KGxvi  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:56:53pm

re: #250 HappyWarrior

The best example I can think of is this. We all have grandparents, etc but we also have cousins. It’s like while our great great grandparents are long gone. We still remain as do our even distant cousins. It’s just amazing how people hear “Humans share a common ancestor with ape” to mean “Human come from apes.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:56:54pm

re: #269 Anymouse

Was the decision handed down before or after her rally?

As for her not mentioning it, even if it was handed down before the rally, it could well be that Mrs. Clinton did not hear of it before the rally.

Mrs. Clinton has been quite clear on her position about abortion, summed up as “mind your own business.”

Decision came just before her rally started, right about when Warren was being introduced.
Hillary managed to get a tweet out, but apparently that was NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!111!!!

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majii  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:56:54pm

re: #229 Tigger2

I think it’s well past the time that those of us who are tired of our citizens dying by gun unnecessarily stop coddling the gun-humpers. We tend to use courtesy in our conversations with them while they tend to use insane logic and abusive language to promote their “guns everywhere all of the d*mn time” beliefs. It’s time for some straight talk, and it’s time to tell them some things they might not want to hear. This Snopes article is right. If Christy Sheats hadn’t decided to use her gun to settle a family argument, she and her two beautiful daughters would still be alive, and her husband wouldn’t be dealing with a funeral home and making decisions about whether to bury or cremate his wife and kids. If the gun-humpers can dish it, they should be able to take it. I own guns, but they’re not sacred items for me. They’re tools I have to protect myself since I live alone if someone happens to break into my home. This is the only reason I have them. I don’t have them because I want to show them off or take them into public spaces and intimidate the hell out of my fellow citizens.

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wrenchwench  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:57:03pm

re: #269 Anymouse

Was the decision handed down before or after her rally?

As for her not mentioning it, even if it was handed down before the rally, it could well be that Mrs. Clinton did not hear of it before the rally.

Mrs. Clinton has been quite clear on her position about abortion, summed up as “mind your own business.”

She has also said, ‘Get rid of the Hyde Amendment’ several times. Worthy of inclusion in a summing-up, IMHO.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 3:58:03pm

re: #267 freetoken

He’s the founder of DiscoTute and IDiocy.

Years ago, I was discussing the difference between Science and Law with the President of the startup where I worked, who was a lawyer. I said, “Science is about what’s really true, while Law is about making the most convincing argument.”

He said, “That’s not true!”, but couldn’t even muster a convincing argument.

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majii  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:00:33pm

re: #239 HappyWarrior

Cornyn and his buddies in Congress will use any excuse to avoid explaining the real reasons they’re trying to undermine the Zika legislation. It’s never about them telling the truth. It’s always about them ‘spinning’ legislation or an issue so that democrats are always the enemy.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:00:34pm

re: #276 Blind Frog Belly White

Science is about what’s really true

Had he been philosophically smarter, he would have used this weak spot to pivot ;)

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freetoken  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:00:40pm

Son of Erick’s The Regurgitant takes on today’s SCOTUS by… yes, harkening back to Dred Scott (of course):

Conservatives Must Channel Lincoln and Repudiate Judicial Supremacy

These folk - they just can’t get out of the box in which they have put themselves.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:01:31pm

re: #263 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pelt them with double sided coins!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:01:34pm

He’s on a roll.

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Anymouse  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:02:18pm

re: #274 majii

I think it’s well past the time that those of us who are tired of our citizens dying by gun unnecessarily stop coddling the gun-humpers. We tend to use courtesy in our conversations with them while they tend to use insane logic and abusive language to promote their “guns everywhere all of the d*mn time” beliefs. It’s time for some straight talk, and it’s time to tell them some things they might not want to hear. This Snopes article is right. If Christy Sheats hadn’t decided to use her gun to settle a family argument, she and her two beautiful daughters would still be alive, and her husband wouldn’t be dealing with a funeral home and making decisions about whether to bury or cremate his wife and kids. If the gun-humpers can dish it, they should be able to take it. I own guns, but they’re not sacred items for me. They’re tools I have to protect myself since I live alone if someone happens to break into my home. This is the only reason I have them. I don’t have them because I want to show them off or take them into public spaces and intimidate the hell out of my fellow citizens.

Same here. I own a shotgun and live in an extremely isolated area a long way from police. I don’t want to show it off, don’t see the need to carry it everywhere I go, and would have no problem with a titling requirement, because I am not paranoid about the “black guy in the White House” rounding up every gun and owner in the USA.

But the NRA and the GOA thinks every wingnut should not only have a gun, but an arsenal of guns, and sadly the killings in Texas and Oregon will just convince more people to go out and buy more guns (even though in the Texas case it was a family member that did the killing, one of the most common types of gun murder).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:03:03pm
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Stanley Sea  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:04:07pm

re: #281 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s on a roll.

He’s got a shit ton of material to work with.

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Skip Intro  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:04:17pm

Is it just me or ???

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:05:22pm

re: #285 Skip Intro

Is it just me or ???

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Huh.

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:06:28pm

re: #273 Backwoods_Sleuth

Decision came just before her rally started, right about when Warren was being introduced.
Hillary managed to get a tweet out, but apparently that was NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!111!!!

If it is true that polls are now showing up to 92% of the Bernie supporters are behind Hillary, then the rest of them can go cry in their sippy cups!

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KGxvi  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:06:32pm

re: #285 Skip Intro

Is it just me or ???

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I’m confused by the one in the middle of the pool… but mostly from a “what is he doing?” point of view. But otherwise, eh…

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Skip Intro  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:06:36pm
Vote for me or the kid gets deported.
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Great White Snark  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:07:02pm

re: #235 Backwoods_Sleuth

I wonder if states like California might refuse to register them, force the owner to sell back to VW. Why not?

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Anymouse  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:07:49pm

re: #287 ObserverArt

If it is true that polls are now showing up to 92% of the Bernie supporters are behind Hillary, then the rest of them can go cry in their sippy cups!

Count me in the 92%. (::

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Anymouse  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:08:32pm

re: #288 KGxvi

I’m confused by the one in the middle of the pool… but mostly from a “what is he doing?” point of view. But otherwise, eh…

You don’t want to know what he is doing in the middle of the pool. /s

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Great White Snark  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:08:38pm

re: #241 plansbandc

Can traitors be pardoned?

Unless they have already hung… Oh wait we don’t do that anymore.

history.com

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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:08:46pm

re: #285 Skip Intro

Give it a few minutes and the Rage Furby will be using it as “race realism” evidence that only white people should be allowed in pools.

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wrenchwench  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:09:12pm

re: #285 Skip Intro

Is it just me or ???

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Probably not just you.

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KGxvi  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:10:19pm

re: #290 Great White Snark

I wonder if states like California might refuse to register them, force the owner to sell back to VW. Why not?

Other than having to defend a class action lawsuit? There’s also a question of whether such an action would be an effective/regulatory taking under the Fifth Amendment.

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Ming5000  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:10:20pm

re: #234 goddamnedfrank

Unintentionally exposed butt cheeks always makes me laugh

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:10:35pm

If you wondered why I called a YEC honest and smart:

Evolution is not a theory in crisis. It is not teetering on the verge of collapse. It has not failed as a scientific explanation. There is evidence for evolution, gobs and gobs of it. It is not just speculation or a faith choice or an assumption or a religion. It is a productive framework for lots of biological research, and it has amazing explanatory power. There is no conspiracy to hide the truth about the failure of evolution. There has really been no failure of evolution as a scientific theory. It works, and it works well.

I say these things not because I’m crazy or because I’ve “converted” to evolution. I say these things because they are true. I’m motivated this morning by reading yet another clueless, well-meaning person pompously declaring that evolution is a failure. People who say that are either unacquainted with the inner workings of science or unacquainted with the evidence for evolution. (Technically, they could also be deluded or lying, but that seems rather uncharitable to say. Oops.)

Creationist students, listen to me very carefully: There is evidence for evolution, and evolution is an extremely successful scientific theory. That doesn’t make it ultimately true, and it doesn’t mean that there could not possibly be viable alternatives. It is my own faith choice to reject evolution, because I believe the Bible reveals true information about the history of the earth that is fundamentally incompatible with evolution. I am motivated to understand God’s creation from what I believe to be a biblical, creationist perspective. Evolution itself is not flawed or without evidence. Please don’t be duped into thinking that somehow evolution itself is a failure. Please don’t idolize your own ability to reason. Faith is enough. If God said it, that should settle it. Maybe that’s not enough for your scoffing professor or your non-Christian friends, but it should be enough for you.

toddcwood.blogspot.com

(That he is also deluded by faith is another issue.)

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:11:56pm

re: #280 GlutenFreeJesus

Pelt them with double sided coins!

I saw that earlier…and now I have a question.

Do double-sided coins used to attempt to cheat in a caucus where the candidate threw a fit about funny business and even rewrote his staff’s objection to what happened so it placed more blame on the DNC make that candidate two-faced?

It sure does reveal someone’s ass.

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EPR-radar  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:12:17pm

The severability provision in the Texas HB2 law was a real piece of work

The severability provision states:
(a) If some or all of the provisions of this Act are ever temporarily or permanently restrained or enjoined by judicial order, all other provi­sions of Texas law regulating or restricting abortion shall be enforced as though the restrained or enjoined provisions had not been adopted; provided, however, that whenever the temporary or permanent re­straining order or injunction is stayed or dissolved, or otherwise ceases to have effect, the provisions shall have full force and effect.
“(b) Mindful of Leavitt v. Jane L., 518 U. S. 137 (1996), in which in the context of determining the severability of a state statute regulating abortion the United States Supreme Court held that an explicit state­ment of legislative intent is controlling, it is the intent of the legislature that every provision, section, subsection, sentence, clause, phrase, or word in this Act, and every application of the provisions in this Act, are severable from each other. If any application of any provision in this Act to any person, group of persons, or circumstances is found by a court to be invalid, the remaining applications of that provision to all other persons and circumstances shall be severed and may not be affected. All constitutionally valid applications of this Act shall be severed from any applications that a court finds to be invalid, leaving the valid applications in force, because it is the legislature’s intent and priority that the valid applications be allowed to stand alone. Even if a reviewing court finds a provision of this Act to impose an undue burden in a large or substantial fraction of relevant cases, the applications that do not present an undue burden shall be severed from the remaining provisions and shall remain in force, and shall be treated as if the legislature had enacted a statute limited to the persons, group of persons, or circumstances for which the statute’s application does not present an undue burden. The legislature further declares that it would have passed this Act, and each provision, section, subsection, sentence, clause, phrase, or word, and all constitutional applications of this Act, irrespective of the fact that any provision, section, subsection, sentence, clause, phrase, or word, or applications of this Act, were to be declared unconstitutional or to represent an undue burden.
(c) [omitted—applies to late-term abortion ban only]
(d) If any provision of this Act is found by any court to be unconstitu­tionally vague, then the applications of that provision that do not present constitutional vagueness problems shall be severed and remain in force.” H. B. 2, §10, App. to Pet. for Cert. 199a-201a.

I’ve very glad to see that the SCOTUS majority treated this nonsense with the respect that it deserved (i.e., none). The whining in the dissent about this severability issue was especially enjoyable.

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majii  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:12:40pm

re: #273 Backwoods_Sleuth

The berners remind me of the far right wing in the GOP because they have different standards for those they like and for those they don’t like, and they’ll use any reason to denigrate those they don’t like. If HRC leaves the word “The” off of the beginning of a sentence, it’s a major cause for outrage on the part of berners.

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compound_Idaho  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:12:49pm

re: #282 Anymouse

…………… (even though in the Texas case it was a family member that did the killing, one of the most common types of gun murder).

and the most common type of gun death is suicide.

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Tigger2  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:15:44pm

re: #274 majii

I think it’s well past the time that those of us who are tired of our citizens dying by gun unnecessarily stop coddling the gun-humpers. We tend to use courtesy in our conversations with them while they tend to use insane logic and abusive language to promote their “guns everywhere all of the d*mn time” beliefs. It’s time for some straight talk, and it’s time to tell them some things they might not want to hear. This Snopes article is right. If Christy Sheats hadn’t decided to use her gun to settle a family argument, she and her two beautiful daughters would still be alive, and her husband wouldn’t be dealing with a funeral home and making decisions about whether to bury or cremate his wife and kids. If the gun-humpers can dish it, they should be able to take it. I own guns, but they’re not sacred items for me. They’re tools I have to protect myself since I live alone if someone happens to break into my home. This is the only reason I have them. I don’t have them because I want to show them off or take them into public spaces and intimidate the hell out of my fellow citizens.

I agree, I have my 9MM either on the coffee table in front of me or on my end table. We have had a few home invasions lately around where I live. But most of the time it’s in my closet in the LR close to me but out of sight. I don’t talk about it much but have mentioned in on here a couple times, my life doesn’t revolve around it.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:15:48pm
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freetoken  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:15:50pm

BTW, the pound is down to just over $1.32.

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wrenchwench  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:15:52pm

re: #302 compound_Idaho

and the most common type of gun death is suicide.

If that doesn’t make gun control a public health issue, I don’t know what would.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:16:29pm

re: #298 Nyet

If you wondered why I called a YEC honest and smart:

toddcwood.blogspot.com

(That he is also deluded by faith is another issue.)

I think I have more respect for the idiots who think Creationism is real because there’s no evidence for Evolution than for a guy who basically says ‘Evolution is true but I choose not to believe it’. Ignorance can be ameliorated with teaching. Willful denial of reality? Not so much.

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plansbandc  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:17:19pm

That poster is new?! I thought it was from the Seventies. *facepalm*

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:17:34pm

re: #307 Blind Frog Belly White

*shrug*

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Anymouse  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:17:49pm

re: #302 compound_Idaho

and the most common type of gun death is suicide.

But those don’t count!!uno11eleventy!!1!2!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:18:09pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:18:44pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:19:06pm

re: #295 wrenchwench

Probably not just you.

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Questions should be asked not only of the illustrator but of the people that hired him, approved the layout and then actually ran with it without considering the implications of how the illustration would be seen.

That is truly race blindness and not in a good way. It is totally “not seeing it.”

And I say that as a graphic artist that knows there are steps involved before something is printed. I am almost wondering if one of the art directors or someone on the client side asked for it to be just that way?

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freetoken  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:19:07pm

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

Can one really walk back stupidity?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:19:14pm

re: #309 Nyet

*shrug*

YMMV.

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EPR-radar  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:19:45pm

re: #307 Blind Frog Belly White

I think I have more respect for the idiots who think Creationism is real because there’s no evidence for Evolution than for a guy who basically says ‘Evolution is true but I choose not to believe it’. Ignorance can be ameliorated with teaching. Willful denial of reality? Not so much.

This might be a distinction without a difference. The claim that there is no evidence for evolution is effectively a willful denial of reality.

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Nyet  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:21:45pm

re: #312 The Vicious Babushka

Why would anyone put Shapiro and Crowder together? Ew.

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wrenchwench  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:22:26pm

OMG, she’s ‘@rooflizard’! Is she here yet?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:22:43pm

re: #316 EPR-radar

This might be a distinction without a difference. The claim that there is no evidence for evolution is effectively a willful denial of reality.

We-e-ell, lots of people are only really exposed to the bullshit.

To me, it’s sort of like the difference between falling for the Nigerian Letter con because you’re gullible, and KNOWING it’s a con, but giving them the money anyway.

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451_Montag  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:22:51pm

re: #211 HappyWarrior

She should have 0 guns and I’m sick of right wing assholes like the NRA/GOA encouraging disturbed people like her that they need more guns.

Zero guns and 2 living kids. Seems like a decent result.

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majii  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:23:37pm

re: #279 freetoken

What’s a hardliner to do, except whine and suggest changing the rules in the middle of the game, when the SCOTUS issues a decision s/he doesn’t agree with? State legislatures setting up more regulations than ever in regard to what women can/ cannot do with their own bodies isn’t an example of judicial activism or judicial overreach to them, even though they claim to be against all government regulations. I view Erickson’s post as another example of the cognitive dissonance bubble many on the right inhabit. He seems to have forgotten that today’s GOP is NOT the “Party of Lincoln” and ceased to be in the 1960s when minorities gained civil rights people like him had been enjoying, without restrictions, for over 150+ years. Surely, he doesn’t think Reagan kicking off his presidential campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi wasn’t meant to convey an unspoken message of racism and bigotry to Southern whites, does he?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:23:40pm

re: #312 The Vicious Babushka

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What exactly is Crowder’s “skill”? Oh yeah, he’s a right wing little shit who thinks he’s witty but is anything but.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:23:54pm

re: #320 451_Montag

Zero guns and 2 living kids. Seems like a decent result.

A good start, no?

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EPR-radar  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:24:16pm

re: #300 EPR-radar

What the TX legislature intended with this nonsense was to oblige the courts to go through hundreds or thousands of pages of TX state regulations relating to “ambulatory surgical centers” and decide which ones are and and not constitutional in this context.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:24:18pm

re: #317 Nyet

Why would anyone put Shapiro and Crowder together? Ew.

Misery loves company.

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:24:20pm

Oh my gawd. I look up and Tweety Matthews has Dana Loesch and Hugh Hewitt on at the same time.

Truly the ends times of MSNBC…who now caters to all sides.

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Anymouse  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:24:21pm

re: #318 wrenchwench

OMG, she’s ‘@rooflizard’! Is she here yet?

Someone on Twitter could invite her in… .

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:24:38pm

re: #312 The Vicious Babushka

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What’s worse, she’s probably worth a lot more money than the both of them - using a metric that’s important to them.

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Skip Intro  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:24:55pm

re: #305 freetoken

BTW, the pound is down to just over $1.32.

Much Winning Going On!

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:25:07pm
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Anymouse  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:25:57pm

re: #318 wrenchwench

Did Dog Philosopher mean to downding this, or was it an oversight or accident?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:26:17pm

re: #328 Blind Frog Belly White

What’s worse, she’s probably worth a lot more money than the both of them - using a metric that’s important to them.

No doubt about that. Girls has been very successful. Crowder meanwhile is a C lister in Wingnuttia.

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Ming5000  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:26:55pm

re: #312 The Vicious Babushka

Why NOT think of Lena Dunham when you think of feminism?

What a Rorshcach world we live in.

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gocart mozart  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:27:15pm

re: #272 KGxvi

The best example I can think of is this. We all have grandparents, etc but we also have cousins. It’s like while our great great grandparents are long gone. We still remain as do our even distant cousins. It’s just amazing how people hear “Humans share a common ancestor with ape” to mean “Human come from apes.”

All dogs came from wolves, even chihuahuas and labradoodles, why are there still wolves then?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:27:36pm

Crowder was hating on Amy Schumer lately too because Amy went after the precious guns too. Wingnut men sure are delicate little flowers. What’s the matter fellas? Threatened by a woman who actually can make something out of herself on her own?

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majii  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:28:21pm

re: #289 Skip Intro

Poor kid. He’s obviously terrified of being held by Trump. There’s something within kids that seems to signal to them whether an adult is/is not a kid-friendly person, and to this kid, Trump is not a kid-friendly adult. I feel sorry for the kid.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:28:38pm

re: #333 Ming5000

Why NOT think of Lena Dunham when you think of feminism?

What a Rorshcach world we live in.

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Because Lena is unashamedly pro-choice and a staunch liberal. Ergo they hate her. I mean it’d be one thing if it was just Ben and Crowder that hate on her but the “mature adults” at the NRO have a sick obsession with Ms Dunham too.

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Reality Based Steve  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:28:49pm

Well, some of the RWNJs are calling for a Texit as a response to the Supreme Court ruling today. The other common line being pushed is that this ruling removes all health, safety and cleanliness standards from any abortion facility. The common line is that “now anybody in a dirty alley with a coat hanger can say they are an abortion provider and be protected under the law”

In other news, I’ve called Operation: RBS to a halt. Ops: RBS was me posting to FreeRepugnant slightly edited Nazi propaganda pieces up with “Jew” replaced by “Muslim” and the language made a bit more modern. Still close enough to the original to get a decent plagiarism charge.

It wasn’t a challenge, and after spending any length of time there I just felt like I needed a shower. Never got called on it, never asked to ‘tone it down’.

RBS

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Skip Intro  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:29:01pm

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think that Brown could get a DNA test to prove he’s not wanted for any unsolved rapes or murders. I mean he doesn’t have to do it, but he could.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:29:07pm

re: #337 HappyWarrior

Because Lena is unashamedly pro-choice and a staunch liberal. Ergo they hate her. I mean it’d be one thing if it was just Ben and Crowder that hate on her but the “mature adults” at the NRO have a sick obsession with Ms Dunham too.

HURR HURR SHE NOT A 10!!!11!!!

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Anymouse  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:29:11pm

re: #334 gocart mozart

All dogs came from wolves, even chihuahuas and labradoodles, why are there still wolves then?

The United States came from England. Why is there still an England?

That’s the argument I usually use to show the absurdity of that point.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:29:23pm

re: #332 HappyWarrior

No doubt about that. Girls has been very successful. Crowder meanwhile is a C lister in Wingnuttia.

I imagine he also has to have a job at Walmart to pay the bills.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:30:09pm

re: #333 Ming5000

Why NOT think of Lena Dunham when you think of feminism?

What a Rorshcach world we live in.

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When the RWNJs started spewing hatred all over Lena Dunham, I had no idea who she was (still don’t actually.) I just assumed she was related to President Obama and that’s why they hated her. No?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:30:29pm

re: #341 Anymouse

The United States came from England. Why is there still an England?

That’s the argument I usually use to show the absurdity of that point.

You came from your parents, your parents are still here.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:30:58pm

re: #343 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

When the RWNJs started spewing hatred all over Lena Dunham, I had no idea who she was (still don’t actually.) I just assumed she was related to President Obama and that’s why they hated her. No?

That’s right, I forgot that Obama’s mother’s maiden name is Dunham.

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Anymouse  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:32:07pm

re: #343 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

When the RWNJs started spewing hatred all over Lena Dunham, I had no idea who she was (still don’t actually.) I just assumed she was related to President Obama and that’s why they hated her. No?

They went after Lena Dunham over her book. She made an admission as a small child (very small child) that she played “doctor” with her younger sister.

They spun that up into white hot hatred for Ms. Dunham, claiming somehow she and feminism in general are shams.

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EPR-radar  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:32:39pm

re: #324 EPR-radar

What the TX legislature intended with this nonsense was to oblige the courts to go through hundreds or thousands of pages of TX state regulations relating to “ambulatory surgical centers” and decide which ones are and and not constitutional in this context.

Alito’s dissent is full of logical fallacies. For example, some TX regulations relating to ambulatory surgical centers relate to fire code compliance etc. Alito pretends that having these specific regulations in HB2 overturned by SCOTUS means that abortion clinics are now totally unregulated by the state with respect to fire code etc.

False. Clinics had to meet code before HB2 was passed and still have to meet code. What got struck down was the extra levels of bullshit regulation involved in the TRAP laws.

RWNJs got too greedy with their TRAP bullshit for Justice Kennedy to go along with it.

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wrenchwench  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:33:25pm

re: #331 Anymouse

Did Dog Philosopher mean to downding this, or was it an oversight or accident?

He’s a good dog (yes he is! Good doggy!) so I’d guess ‘accident’.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:34:32pm

re: #348 wrenchwench

He’s a good dog (yes he is! Good doggy!) so I’d guess ‘accident’.

Swat him with a rolled up newspaper.

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A Cranky One  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:34:57pm

re: #322 HappyWarrior

What exactly is Crowder’s “skill”? Oh yeah, he’s a right wing little shit who thinks he’s witty but is anything but.

Crowder is half right.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:35:07pm

re: #346 Anymouse

They went after Lena Dunham over her book. She made an admission as a small child (very small child) that she played “doctor” with her younger sister.

They spun that up into white hot hatred for Ms. Dunham, claiming somehow she and feminism in general are shams.

By the same people who defended the Duggar dude who did what he did to his sisters at a much older age and even claimed people criticizing him were going after him for being a conservative Christian.

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majii  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:35:14pm

re: #313 ObserverArt

Well, you know, OA, millions of Americans seem to think that it’s only certain persons in this country who do heinous things. Their eyes are closed to the fact that some members of all groups, even members of their own group, do evil things to other humans.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:35:14pm

re: #347 EPR-radar

Alito’s dissent is full of logical fallacies. For example, some TX regulations relating to ambulatory surgical centers relate to fire code compliance etc. Alito pretends that having these specific regulations in HB2 overturned by SCOTUS means that abortion clinics are now totally unregulated by the state with respect to fire code etc.

False. Clinics had to meet code before HB2 was passed and still have to meet code. What got struck down was the extra levels of bullshit regulation involved in the TRAP laws.

RWNJs got too greedy with their TRAP bullshit for Justice Kennedy to go along with it.

My surprise, let me show you it.

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Anymouse  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:35:32pm

re: #348 wrenchwench

He’s a good dog (yes he is! Good doggy!) so I’d guess ‘accident’.

Ms. Wench, does that mean you’d put him outside or rub his nose in it? /s

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Stanley Sea  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:35:40pm

re: #336 majii

Poor kid. He’s obviously terrified of being held by Trump. There’s something within kids that seems to signal to them whether an adult is/is not a kid-friendly person, and to this kid, Trump is not a kid-friendly adult. I feel sorry for the kid.

trump’s yelling in his poor ear.

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Ming5000  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:35:45pm

re: #343 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

When the RWNJs started spewing hatred all over Lena Dunham, I had no idea who she was (still don’t actually.) I just assumed she was related to President Obama and that’s why they hated her. No?

The right wing does have a particular focus on “beauty”.
I remember a picture someone had up at work until they made him take it down.
It gleefully showed the Fox Women on one side and the CNN/Lamestream women on the other.

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majii  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:35:59pm

re: #314 freetoken

Yep, if you’re a republican.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:35:59pm
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Anymouse  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:36:04pm

re: #351 HappyWarrior

By the same people who defended the Duggar dude who did what he did to his sisters at a much older age and even claimed people criticizing him were going after him for being a conservative Christian.

It’s Okay if You’re a Republican.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:36:05pm

re: #347 EPR-radar

Alito’s dissent is full of logical fallacies. For example, some TX regulations relating to ambulatory surgical centers relate to fire code compliance etc. Alito pretends that having these specific regulations in HB2 overturned by SCOTUS means that abortion clinics are now totally unregulated by the state with respect to fire code etc.

False. Clinics had to meet code before HB2 was passed and still have to meet code. What got struck down was the extra levels of bullshit regulation involved in the TRAP laws.

RWNJs got too greedy with their TRAP bullshit for Justice Kennedy to go along with it.

I’ve been pretty unimpressed with Alito’s opinions. His whole dissent in the gay marriage decision last summer was filled with whining about how gay marriage opponents would be viewed.

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wrenchwench  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:36:17pm

re: #349 Blind Frog Belly White

Swat him with a rolled up newspaper.

I think you’re a lot closer. Your turn to clean up after the dog’s accident.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:36:34pm

re: #359 Anymouse

It’s Okay if You’re a Republican.

a Christian Male Heterosexual one at that.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:36:56pm

re: #356 Ming5000

The right wing does have a particular focus on “beauty”.
I remember a picture someone had up at work until they made him take it down.
It gleefully showed the Fox Women on one side and the CNN/Lamestream women on the other.

Shit, I can remember Palin being called a VPILF.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:38:21pm

re: #356 Ming5000

The right wing does have a particular focus on “beauty”.
I remember a picture someone had up at work until they made him take it down.
It gleefully showed the Fox Women on one side and the CNN/Lamestream women on the other.

HURR HURR ARE WIMMENS IS TEH HAWT BUT THERE WIMMENS IS TEH FUGLY!!!!1!!!

Trump used that meme when he tweeted an unflattering video grab of Heidi Cruz next to a glam shot of Melania.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:38:33pm

re: #346 Anymouse

They went after Lena Dunham over her book. She made an admission as a small child (very small child) that she played “doctor” with her younger sister.

They spun that up into white hot hatred for Ms. Dunham, claiming somehow she and feminism in general are shams.

They also seem scandalized that she isn’t dying of shame for having a fairly average body.

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stpaulbear  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:38:52pm

re: #305 freetoken

BTW, the pound is down to just over $1.32.

I checked my RSA today and saw that it was down 3% overall. I went into the settings and changed where future donations will go and I’m probably going to go into the settings again tomorrow to get out of the international accounts that I discovered have been losing money consistently for the last three years. I’ve got three years until retirement so I should probably be moving the pittance I have there into safer places anyway.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:39:26pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:40:07pm

re: #365 Blind Frog Belly White

They also seem scandalized that she isn’t dying of shame for having a fairly average body.

Steve Crowder is like a -3 but he’s not melting in shame.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:41:10pm

re: #368 The Vicious Babushka

Steve Crowder is like a -3 but he’s not melting in shame.

He’s a guy, silly! It’s different.

/////

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Anymouse  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:41:20pm

re: #364 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR ARE WIMMENS IS TEH HAWT BUT THERE WIMMENS IS TEH FUGLY!!!!1!!!

Trump used that meme when he tweeted an unflattering video grab of Heidi Cruz next to a glam shot of Melania.

Not being a Trump apologist here, but Cruz opened Heidi up to it when he took out billboards in Utah prior to the primary using the GQ pictures of Melania and implying that Utahans would not want a “stripper” for First Lady.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:42:10pm

re: #368 The Vicious Babushka

Steve Crowder is like a -3 but he’s not melting in shame.

He’s also nowhere near as funny as he thinks he is. I still remember when his “experiment” to prove that Muslim bakery owners would refuse to serve him acting like a stereotypical gay male went wrong and more Muslim bakers in fact agreed to bake him a cake than Christian ones.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:43:52pm

re: #370 Anymouse

Not being a Trump apologist here, but Cruz opened Heidi up to it when he took out billboards in Utah prior to the primary using the GQ pictures of Melania and implying that Utahans would not want a “stripper” for First Lady.

To be fair, it wasn’t Cruz, but rather a Super PAC that supported him.

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EPR-radar  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:44:07pm

re: #353 Blind Frog Belly White

My surprise, let me show you it.

Pretty sad for a supreme court justice. Scalia was a better player of the RWNJ SCOTUS justice game.

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wrenchwench  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:44:39pm
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Ming5000  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:44:42pm

Another reason the right hates Lena

Feminist Lena Dunham Allegedly Supports Hillary Clinton For Her “Policy, Track Record, Campaign Strategy”

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majii  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:44:47pm

re: #367 The Vicious Babushka

It’s a d*mn shame that a man who says he is as rich as Trump claims to be is too cheap to hire a decent make-up artist.

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Anymouse  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:45:10pm

re: #372 Blind Frog Belly White

Correction noted. It wasn’t Ted Cruz or his campaign. However, Senator Cruz upon learning of the billboards could have asked they been removed or repudiated them. He did neither.

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:46:00pm

re: #371 HappyWarrior

He’s also nowhere near as funny as he thinks he is. I still remember when his “experiment” to prove that Muslim bakery owners would refuse to serve him acting like a stereotypical gay male went wrong and more Muslim bakers in fact agreed to bake him a cake than Christian ones.

That idiot’s “acting” would be laughed at in a junior high talent show.

I’ve noticed many of these conservative “humorists” are never funny. They are so damned tight-assed they would never know what is funny because they are the joke. And introspection surely is not a true conservative trait, so they would never discover the humor ever.

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EPR-radar  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:46:32pm

re: #376 majii

It’s a d*mn shame that a man who says he is as rich as Trump claims to be is too cheap to hire a decent make-up artist.

Not a shame at all. The orange Cheeto look for Trump can’t possibly be a win for him politically, and I’ll take all the advantages I can get vs. a fascist like Trump.

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:47:18pm

re: #374 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

Funky space!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:47:50pm

SCOTUSblog wasn’t hacked. It was their usual end of session silliness after all.

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EPR-radar  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:47:51pm

re: #378 ObserverArt

That idiot’s “acting” would be laughed at in a junior high talent show.

I’ve noticed many of these conservative “humorists” are never funny. They are so damned tight-assed they would never know what is funny because they are the joke. And introspection surely is not a true conservative trait, so they would never discover the humor ever.

Conservative “humor” is usually cruel. That makes it non-funny to civilized people.

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Ming5000  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:48:06pm

For some reason Howard Stern thinks that Greg Gutfield from Fox News is funny. Never understood that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:49:34pm

re: #377 Anymouse

Correction noted. It wasn’t Ted Cruz or his campaign. However, Senator Cruz upon learning of the billboards could have asked they been removed or repudiated them. He did neither.

Interesting point. He would be legally forbidden from asking them to put them up. Would he be forbidden from asking them to take them down?

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:50:08pm

re: #383 Ming5000

For some reason Howard Stern thinks that Greg Gutfield from Fox News is funny. Never understood that.

I’ll probably catch some heat for this…but I’ve never found Howard particularly funny either. It might just be me.

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Tigger2  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:50:46pm

re: #383 Ming5000

For some reason Howard Stern thinks that Greg Gutfield from Fox News is funny. Never understood that.

Some people think Howard Stern in funny, I think he is a cruel asshole because of the way he treats a lot of people.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:50:54pm

re: #382 EPR-radar

Conservative “humor” is usually cruel. That makes it non-funny to civilized people.

Conservative humor kicks down.

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Anymouse  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:50:56pm

wonkette.com

Wonkette reports with their usual NSFW aplomb on Nancy Pelosi shredding Paul Ryan’s wish list disguised as a replacement for the ACA.

It opens with:

Poor Paul Ryan. All he wants to do is starve some grannies and force-feed imaginary schoolkids paper-bag lunches and repeal Obamacare one million times and also have people think he is sober and thoughtful and not a complete total prick.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:51:06pm

re: #378 ObserverArt

That idiot’s “acting” would be laughed at in a junior high talent show.

I’ve noticed many of these conservative “humorists” are never funny. They are so damned tight-assed they would never know what is funny because they are the joke. And introspection surely is not a true conservative trait, so they would never discover the humor ever.

No, I can’t think of a single conservative comic who is legitimately funny. Not saying there are no funny people who are conservatives but rather no one who makes their conservative beliefs a big part of their humor.

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Ming5000  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:51:44pm

re: #385 ObserverArt

I have a juvenile sense of humor. See my butt cheeks comment above.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:51:59pm

re: #382 EPR-radar

Conservative “humor” is usually cruel. That makes it non-funny to civilized people.

What makes humor work is poking fun at those in a higher field. When you’re a white straight male making fun of feminists, poor people, racial minorities, etc, it’s just sad.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:52:35pm

re: #383 Ming5000

For some reason Howard Stern thinks that Greg Gutfield from Fox News is funny. Never understood that.

I’ve seen some of Red Eye before. It’s awkward to watch.

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majii  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:53:39pm

re: #379 EPR-radar

I remember reading that in the televised debate between JFK and Nixon, appearance made a difference in the public’s perception and in the 1960 presidential election. It was said that JFK came across a handsome and more knowledgeable candidate, and Nixon as a sweaty, bumbling mess.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:55:15pm

re: #331 Anymouse

Did Dog Philosopher mean to downding this, or was it an oversight or accident?

did i do that???

please excuse my fat fingers!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:55:21pm

re: #393 majii

I remember reading that in the televised debate between JFK and Nixon, appearance made a difference in the public’s perception and in the 1960 presidential election. It was said that JFK came across a handsome and more knowledgeable candidate, and Nixon as a sweaty, bumbling mess.

I heard somewhere that people who SAW it thought Kennedy won. People who only HEARD it on the radio thought Nixon won.

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Anymouse  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:56:16pm

re: #394 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

did i do that???

please excuse my fat fingers!!

I’ll bet their longer than Donald’s too. You were able to reach all the way to the minus button. /s

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:56:30pm

re: #395 Blind Frog Belly White

I heard somewhere that people who SAW it thought Kennedy won. People who only HEARD it on the radio thought Nixon won.

That’s the story I always heard. I’ll have to ask one of my older aunts or uncles about it. Doubt my Dad would remember. What’s sad to think is that Nixon would be far too liberal minded in his approach on the issue for the GOP electorate today. Not just his domestic policies mind you(that ship flew years ago) but his foreign policy as well.

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:56:49pm

re: #390 Ming5000

I have a juvenile sense of humor. See my butt cheeks comment above.

I understand. That video of Mr. Butt cheeks was funny because it happened naturally. I don’t know, there is just something dickish about Stern that doesn’t go over well with my tastes. He also doesn’t seem to know the line and goes beyond it.

I admit, it has been a long time since I’ve listened. The guys in the shop where I used to work would always have him on. Certainly someone loves him because he is very rich for what he does. I won’t deny him his success.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:57:25pm

Speaking of wingnut humor, their premise regarding Limbaugh is he’s a satirist. Showing ot me that they don’t understand the concept of how satire works.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:57:32pm

re: #387 Blind Frog Belly White

Conservative humor kicks down.

If you’re not punching up, it’s not humor, it’s bullying.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:58:13pm

re: #398 ObserverArt

I understand. That video of Mr. Butt cheeks was funny because it happened naturally. I don’t know, there is just something dickish about Stern that doesn’t go over well with my tastes. He also doesn’t seem to know the line and goes beyond it.

I admit, it has been a long time since I’ve listened. The guys in the shop where I used to work would always have him on. Certainly someone loves him because he is very rich for what he does. I won’t deny him his success.

Nah, I know what you mean. He rubs me the wrong way too. I liked listening to Howard on the days when my Dad would give me a ride to school when I was a kid but he’s obnoxious IMO.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:58:25pm

re: #366 stpaulbear

I checked my RSA today and saw that it was down 3% overall. I went into the settings and changed where future donations will go and I’m probably going to go into the settings again tomorrow to get out of the international accounts that I discovered have been losing money consistently for the last three years. I’ve got three years until retirement so I should probably be moving the pittance I have there into safer places anyway.

International has done pretty shit over the last few years, at least what we have. We aren’t dropping it, but all our contributions have gone to other bits (still working on the mythical balanced portfolio).

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:58:53pm

re: #387 Blind Frog Belly White

Conservative humor kicks down.

Hey look guys a woman trying to get birth control, isn’t she a slut?
-“Satirist” Limbaugh

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Ming5000  Jun 27, 2016 • 4:59:29pm

re: #403 HappyWarrior

Nailed it

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 5:03:02pm

Do you guys remember? Gosh it had been to be close to ten years ago already but FNC tried doing a conservative version of the Daily Show. I was on a site that had a ton of liberals and conservatives. I’m open-minded so I decided to see what it was all about and it was just painful to watch. I don’t know who the host was but it wasn’t funny. The big separator though on humor is I tink ultimately liberals are a lot better at laughing at themselves than conservatives are. The best example I can think of is Golden Age Simpsons and Lenny and Karl being outraged that the Limbaugh carnicture questioned Ted Kennedy’s integrity.
He said Ted Kennedy lacked integrity, can you imagine that?
I mean I admired Ted Kennedy but I laughed at that and SNL’s mocking of Gore and the Lockbox in the 2000 was pretty funny.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 27, 2016 • 5:06:12pm

re: #391 HappyWarrior

What makes humor work is poking fun at those in a higher field. When you’re a white straight male making fun of feminists, poor people, racial minorities, etc, it’s just sad.

The problem with ‘conservative humour’ is that doesn’t challenge anything. To drag out that quote again, “Comedy is the most uncontrolled form of language and thus the one most dangerous to those with power.”

‘Conservative humour’ supports power. It never, ever challenges it. The status quo, with all its unfairness and cruelty, is what it is in favour of. It will never, ever attempt to change it, except to make the status quo even more unfair and cruel.

At its heart humour challenges our perceptions and beliefs. It lets us look at our shortcomings while covering the pain with laughter. ‘Conservative humour’ challenges nothing and it’s all in favour of inflicting pain, especially to those too powerless to protect themselves.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 27, 2016 • 5:07:13pm

re: #389 HappyWarrior

No, I can’t think of a single conservative comic who is legitimately funny. Not saying there are no funny people who are conservatives but rather no one who makes their conservative beliefs a big part of their humor.

25 years ago, Dennis Miller used to get off a few good lines, of the smartass variety. I don’t know if he was always a right-wing asshole or if he was driven insane by 9/11.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 5:07:33pm

re: #406 Romantic Heretic

The problem with ‘conservative humour’ is that doesn’t challenge anything. To drag out that quote again, “Comedy is the most uncontrolled form of language and thus the one most dangerous to those with power.”

‘Conservative humour’ supports power. It never, ever challenges it. The status quo, with all its unfairness and cruelty, is what it is in favour of. It will never, ever attempt to change it, except to make the status quo even more unfair and cruel.

At its heart humour challenges our perceptions and beliefs. It lets us look at our shortcomings while covering the pain with laughter. ‘Conservative humour’ challenges nothing and it’s all in favour of inflicting pain, especially to those too powerless to protect themselves.

That’s a good point oto.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 5:08:12pm

re: #407 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

25 years ago, Dennis Miller used to get off a few good lines, of the smartass variety. I don’t know if he was always a right-wing asshole or if he was driven insane by 9/11.

I think Miller was a born again right wing asshole after 9/11.

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gocart mozart  Jun 27, 2016 • 5:36:44pm

re: #407 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

25 years ago, Dennis Miller used to get off a few good lines, of the smartass variety. I don’t know if he was always a right-wing asshole or if he was driven insane by 9/11.

25 years ago, Miller was often funny on his HBO show and before that SNL but back then he was more of an independent and would take swipes at both sides. In 92 he supported Perot. He did go insane after 9/11 and has not been funny since.

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Swift2991  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:41:15am

The truly false premise is that it got her into Harvard. It didn’t. She’s actually pretty bright. And Scott Brown has the IQ of a meat thermometer.


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