Texas Gov. Greg Abbott Inadvertently Admits Texas Law Intended to Limit Abortion

They weren’t fooling anybody anyway
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Texas Governor Greg Abbott frequently tweets links to the Stupidest Man on the Internet, Jim “Gateway Pundit” Hoft, so that should give you a clue about his depth of intellect. And today, reacting to the SCOTUS Whole Women’s Health decision striking down Texas’ anti-choice TRAP law, Abbott inadvertently let slip the true agenda.

After the Supreme Court on Monday struck down his state’s law that would have shuttered dozens of abortion clinics, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) condemned the decision by arguing that it jeopardizes the state’s objective “to protect innocent life.”

“The decision erodes States’ lawmaking authority to safeguard the health and safety of women and subjects more innocent life to being lost,” he said in a press release. “Texas’ goal is to protect innocent life, while ensuring the highest health and safety standards for women.”

The Supreme Court made it clear in their ruling that they weren’t buying the transparent excuse that this law was intended to “protect women’s health.” The cat’s out of the bag, conservatives. Dozens of other states with similar laws are about to find out that Republican lies have consequences.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2016 • 7:50:03pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 27, 2016 • 7:50:11pm

Its not like anyone was fooled. Even Clarence Thomas, the only Justice who voted to uphold the regulations, said that whether they actually protected the health of women was irrelevant.

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scottslemmons  Jun 27, 2016 • 7:50:59pm

Swear to god, Greg Abbott is even dumber than Rick Perry, and the lieutenant governor is even dumber than Greg Abbott.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2016 • 7:51:52pm
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Testy Toad T  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:00:58pm

re: #3 scottslemmons

Swear to god, Greg Abbott is even dumber than Rick Perry, and the lieutenant governor is even dumber than Greg Abbott.

It’s part of a broader theme in the GOP — I’m not sure the politicians are getting any dumber or more cartoon-evil, but they are certainly getting worse at acting.

No more Ghost of Saint Reagan around to maintain message discipline and shed a forced tear when necessary. Sad!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:01:04pm

SO, SO BUTTHURT==>

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Testy Toad T  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:02:42pm

re: #6 The Vicious Babushka

Area Governor Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:02:56pm

re: #6 The Vicious Babushka

SO, SO BUTTHURT==>

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We could elect Sergio Marchionne President, and have a country run by a Fiat executive.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:03:23pm

re: #6 The Vicious Babushka

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:03:59pm

So much wasted taxpayer money, so little self-awareness.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:04:25pm

re: #6 The Vicious Babushka

SO, SO BUTTHURT==>

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I’m telling you. Abbott cares more about what conservative Twitoverse wants than the people of his state wants. It’s beyond sad how he tweets right wing memes and hashtags like he’s your crazy Uncle Greg who just discovered the internet.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:04:52pm

re: #10 jaunte

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So much wasted taxpayer money, so little self-awareness.

Abbott is another wingnut elected official who seems to have a personal grudge against this president.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:05:46pm

re: #6 The Vicious Babushka

SO, SO BUTTHURT==>

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So state decisions trump SCOTUS? Time to go to your time-share in the Ozarks for a long rest.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:06:25pm

They can’t make a single constitutional argument against legalized argument so they have to pull shit like this. It’s never been about women’s health with these guys. And they certainly don’t give a fuck what happens after birth. In fact, they’re the first to complain about poor children getting food stamps, discount student breakfasts and lunches, but they sure love telling women they have ot give birth .

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:06:34pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

Abbott is another wingnut elected official who seems to have a personal grudge against this president.

Despite repeated entreaties, he continues to be a black Democrat instead of a white Republican. It’s no wonder they hate him.
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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:06:56pm

re: #13 Barefoot Grin

So state decisions trump SCOTUS? Time to go to your time-share in the Ozarks for a long rest.

Time to actually read that Constitution they claim a monopoly on understanding.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:09:15pm

re: #15 Blind Frog Belly White

Despite repeated entreaties, he continues to be a black Democrat instead of a white Republican. It’s no wonder they hate him.
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i know, the nerve of that bastard to not make them happy and change his skin color and political party, who the hell does Obama think he is! He should have been nice and just let McCain-Palin beat him in 2008 and then to be doubly nice let Romney-Ryan do the same four years later but no he had to be “uppity” and actually run a competent campaign first and then do a good enough job that people thought he deserved re-election.

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majii  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:10:42pm

This b*st*rd can watch thousands of his own citizens die due to lack of health insurance while claiming to be pro-life. He’s not pro-life, he’s pro-fetus. Once kids are born, he and his right-wing buddies think they’re on their own, and don’t care whether they have food, clothing, or shelter. Ask them to allocate even one additional million in the budget for the care of these kids, and they can find all kinds of excuses as to why it’s a bridge too far. When Perry was in office, the Dallas Morning News revealed that one of his economic development schemes had passed out taxpayer money to his friends in the business world with little/no oversight. Some companies that received funds didn’t submit any paperwork. They just asked, and Perry gave it to them, but when it comes to them doing something for helpless little kids, all we hear is, “Oh, no, it costs too much!” They’re b*st*rds, evil *ss b*st*rds.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:12:06pm

Sorry already posted by jaunte

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Anymouse  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:12:16pm

re: #18 majii

Tell us how you really feel. /s

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:13:30pm

re: #18 majii

This b*st*rd can watch thousands of his own citizens die due to lack of health insurance while claiming to be pro-life. He’s not pro-life, he’s pro-fetus. Once kids are born, he and his right-wing buddies think they’re on their own, and don’t care whether they have food, clothing, or shelter. Ask them to allocate even one additional million in the budget for the care of these kids, and they can find all kinds of excuses as to why it’s a bridge too far. When Perry was in office, the Dallas Morning News revealed that one of his economic development schemes had passed out taxpayer money to his friends in the business world with little/no oversight. Some companies that received funds didn’t submit any paperwork. They just asked, and Perry gave it to them, but when it comes to them doing something for helpless little kids, all we hear is, “Oh, no, it costs too much!” They’re b*st*rds, evil *ss b*st*rds.

John Kenneth Galbraith once said and this was about 50 years ago when conservatives in this country were still relatively sane on economic matters that the modern conservative is in search of man’s oldest excuse and that’s rationalization for selfishness. And that’s what this ideology is combined with telling other people how to live their lives whether they be women, black, Muslim, Hispanic, gay, or anything but conservative heterosexual Christian males.

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Anymouse  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:15:42pm

Well, Washington DC just accelerated its minimum wage increase from what it only passed two years ago. While it didn’t give the tipped wage earners everything they wanted, it dramatically improved their wages. The wage gradually rises to $15/hour over a few years.

Unfortunately for DC, all city ordinances are subject to review by Congress. Let’s see if the wingnuts try to shoot this down, because the DC Chamber of Commerce opposed it.

Restaurants went on board with it, though, because a referendum was gearing up that would have raised wages across the board and faster. They decided compromise was best for them.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:16:09pm

Abbott is one of those Steubenville-type Catholics that even Pope Francis would have a hard time dealing with, for as much as they have in common. His maltreatment of the poor in his state would be enough for Francis to give him some serious side-eye.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:17:04pm

re: #10 jaunte

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So much wasted taxpayer money, so little self-awareness.

And he comments on his own articles…with more bullshit.

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majii  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:17:23pm

re: #6 The Vicious Babushka

Unless he does it. He and many on the right seem to think that if they want to do a certain thing, they should be able to do it, and the rest of us should sit down and STFU. Abbott knew the main purpose of HB2was to stop all abortions in Texas. There’s no need for him to get all butthurt because he got caught lying. I just read on the Raw Story site that many GOPers are savaging SCJ Kennedy for voting with the four liberals on the Court. He is now being called a “butcher.” SMDH at the stupidity of these persons. I don’t like abortion, but I also know that it’s not my place to attempt to control the decisions of other people. Why is it so hard for the so-called pro-lifers to understand that they control only their own bodies?

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Anymouse  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:19:05pm

Well, after three days of argument with the bank that holds my wife’s credit card, they finally authorised it for our whole car trip. (Don’t quite get it: Canada, authorise the whole country. USA, need a list of every state you will be in.)

She had them read back the list of states to ensure they got it right. They were still arguing with her this afternoon why she needed so many states authorised (duh, car trip).

Crap, it’s a good thing we weren’t trying to drive from Maine to California.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:19:42pm

re: #24 MsJ

And he comments on his own articles…with more bullshit.

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Yeah he never was a Senator or anything like that. And he apparently had enough regard for the Constitution that the University of Chicago let him lecture on Constitutional Law. Conservatives just can’t stand the fact that Obama knows more about the Constitution than they ever will so they make some cracks about how Obama is some moron who doesn’t know the Constitution.

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Anymouse  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:20:08pm

re: #24 MsJ

And yet, Abbot lost in the Supreme Court. Great constitutional mind there.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:20:37pm

re: #25 majii

Unless he does it. He and many on the right seem to think that if they want to do a certain thing, they should be able to do it, and the rest of us should sit down and STFU. Abbott knew the main purpose of HB2was to stop all abortions in Texas. There’s no need for him to get all butthurt because he got caught lying. I just read on the Raw Story site that many GOPers are savaging SCJ Kennedy for voting with the four liberals on the Court. He is now being called a “butcher.” SMDH at the stupidity of these persons. I don’t like abortion, but I also know that it’s not my place to attempt to control the decisions of other people. Why is it so hard for the so-called pro-lifers to understand that they control only their own bodies?

Because despite conservatism’s claims otherwise, it very much is an ideology that is about controlling other people and is for big government and against individual rights.

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majii  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:23:28pm

re: #24 MsJ

Great way for Fotsch to ignore that the president held other jobs besides constitutional law professor. He and others like him will say/believe anything to deny the accomplishments of those they oppose or don’t like or don’t agree with.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:24:14pm

re: #24 MsJ

And he comments on his own articles…with more bullshit.

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You gotta love the claim that Obama’s only qualification was being a Con Law professor, despite years in the Illinois Legislature and the United States Senate.

Also, how a 4:4 SCOTUS deadlock leaving in place a lower court decision means that Obama’s Immigration EO was UNQUESTIONABLY, TOTALLY unconstitutional, even though one more justice and it might have been reversed. No, that tie was a total refutation of everything Obama stood for, somehow.

I’d love to see his reaction to today’s ruling.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:25:04pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

The CATO dudes are gloating that they were 50% against the Administration during this cycle.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:25:35pm

re: #30 majii

Great way for Fotsch to ignore that the president held other jobs besides constitutional law professor. He and others like him will say/believe anything to deny the accomplishments of those they oppose or don’t like or don’t agree with.

I’ll never forget how they attack him as a mere community organizer as if being one is such a terrible thing. But yes they go out of his way to belittle his accomplishments. Unlike his two opponents, he wasn’t some legacy, he’s someone who was the child of a teen mom and was born in a time before interracial marriage was legal nationwide and still worked very hard to where he is today. Barack Obama is an American success story. People who think he’s just an idiot who coasted by because of his race are fucking bigoted asses.

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Anymouse  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:26:11pm

re: #31 Blind Frog Belly White

You gotta love the claim that Obama’s only qualification was being a Con Law professor, … .

No, that would be Donald Trump and his university (a con law professor). Obama was a constitutional law professor. /s

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:26:40pm

re: #32 Eric The Fruit Bat

The CATO dudes are gloating that they were 50% against the Administration during this cycle.

That means Cato also got a lot wrong too. But I don’t expect much from smug Libertarians.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:28:23pm

My favorite memory of the 2012 Election Cycle though? Romney being so sure that the Supreme Court would repeal ACA and then finding out that Roberts ruled ACA was Constitutional. He literally had no plan to deal with ACA being ruled constitutional.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:29:10pm

So much for the mad researching skillz of The Donald….

What Donald Trump’s New Communications Director Really Thinks Of Donald Trump, In 11 Deleted Tweets

#sleazyDonald

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:31:25pm

re: #33 HappyWarrior

I’ll never forget how they attack him as a mere community organizer as if being one is such a terrible thing. But yes they go out of his way to belittle his accomplishments. Unlike his two opponents, he wasn’t some legacy, he’s someone who was the child of a teen mom and was born in a time before interracial marriage was legal nationwide and still worked very hard to where he is today. Barack Obama is an American success story. People who think he’s just an idiot who coasted by because of his race are fucking bigoted asses.

He’s the embodiment of the American Dream.

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Anymouse  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:31:43pm

re: #36 HappyWarrior

My favorite memory of the 2012 Election Cycle though? Romney being so sure that the Supreme Court would repeal ACA and then finding out that Roberts ruled ACA was Constitutional. He literally had no plan to deal with ACA being ruled constitutional.

Mine was Karl Rove’s meltdown on FOX News when the results for Ohio were called for President Obama. Megyn Kelly dragging him down to the basement to talk to the statisticians to fill him in on how maths work was pretty delicious.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:32:34pm

re: #39 Anymouse

Mine was Karl Rove’s meltdown on FOX News when the results for Ohio were called for President Obama. Megyn Kelly dragging him down to the basement to talk to the statisticians to fill him in on how maths work was pretty delicious.

That was pretty rich too.

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majii  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:32:39pm

re: #35 HappyWarrior

They can gloat to their hearts’ delight because in spite of everything they did to this president, he never let them see him sweat, and it’s paying off. They may never admit it, but it has been their viciousness toward him that has them in the electoral hole they’re in today. They built this.

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majii  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:35:14pm

re: #39 Anymouse

Dick Morris is talking. He’s identifies himself as a sort of an informal adviser to Trump He says he sends memos to Trump on an almost daily basis. If he does, they don’t seem to be doing Trump any/much good.

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Anymouse  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:35:47pm

Storms have crossed into my county now in the northern extremely rural area. One has turned to the west slightly, but it appears at the moment they will pass slightly east of the village. They are intensifying though, so we’ll see.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:36:02pm

re: #42 majii

Dick Morris is talking. He’s identifies himself as a sort of an informal adviser to Trump He says he sends memos to Trump on an almost daily basis. If he does, they don’t seem to be doing Trump any/much good.

He must be writing those memos in between toe sucking episodes…

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majii  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:37:11pm

re: #44 Joe Bacon

ROTFLMBO!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:38:13pm

re: #41 majii

They can gloat to their hearts’ delight because in spite of everything they did to this president, he never let them see him sweat, and it’s paying off. They may never admit it, but it has been their viciousness toward him that has them in the electoral hole they’re in today. They built this.

Yep, he’s going down in history as a very good president, they’re meanwhile going to go down in history as a principled-less opposition motivated by appeasing their bigoted base.

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Anymouse  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:44:27pm

I wonder how much the Internet has contributed to the fragmenting of compromise in the body politic. You can see it here, in the United Kingdom, &c.

The rise of dedicated Websites to particular points of view (on the right: Breitbart, RedState, BarbWire, &c. On the left: Bartcop, Daily Kos, Wonkette).

When LGF flipped away from the conservative movement, from what I understand, Mr. Johnson took (and still takes) a whole bunch of crap from the right.

Each group can go off to their own echo room and never have to listen to others. And on the right, it would appear that facts are banished from discourse.

How can you have a political discussion or compromise when facts are banned from one side of the discussion?

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:45:50pm

re: #36 HappyWarrior

My favorite memory of the 2012 Election Cycle though? Romney being so sure that the Supreme Court would repeal ACA and then finding out that Roberts ruled ACA was Constitutional. He literally had no plan to deal with ACA being ruled constitutional.

I had forgotten this detail of that campaign, but was reading Going Clear earlier this evening and read that Romney’s favorite novel was L. Ron Hubbards’s Battlefield Earth. Not one of the great intellects among presidential candidates.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:48:23pm

re: #48 jaunte

I had forgotten this detail of that campaign, but was reading Going Clear earlier this evening and read that Romney’s favorite novel was L. Ron Hubbards’s Battlefield Earth. Not one of the great intellects among presidential candidates.

It’s no Gatsby for sure. Honestly, those answers are always pretty interesting.

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Shimshon  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:48:36pm

re: #39 Anymouse

Mine was Karl Rove’s meltdown on FOX News when the results for Ohio were called for President Obama. Megyn Kelly dragging him down to the basement to talk to the statisticians to fill him in on how maths work was pretty delicious.

Most Republicans were so confident in their victory. I came across some conservative acquaintances on election night at a Whole Foods and they mocked me, asking if I was buying food for “the last meal.” None of them had the true numbers, they were so confident the liberal media was lying and their facts were right. But did they learn their lesson? No, now almost all of them are doubling down on Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:49:25pm

re: #50 Shimshon

Most Republicans were so confident in their victory. I came across some conservative acquaintances on election night at a Whole Foods and they mocked me, asking if I was buying food for “the last meal.” None of them had the true numbers, they were so confident the liberal media was lying and their facts were right. But did they learn their lesson? No, now almost all of them are doubling down on Trump.

Apparently that confidence extended to Romney HQ IIRC.

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jaunte  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:51:11pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

It’s no Gatsby for sure. Honestly, those answers are always pretty interesting.

I’ve actually plowed my way through it just to see if I could endure, and it’s stunning anyone would call it their favorite novel.

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Shimshon  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:51:22pm

re: #47 Anymouse

I wonder how much the Internet has contributed to the fragmenting of compromise in the body politic. You can see it here, in the United Kingdom, &c.

The rise of dedicated Websites to particular points of view (on the right: Breitbart, RedState, BarbWire, &c. On the left: Bartcop, Daily Kos, Wonkette).

When LGF flipped away from the conservative movement, from what I understand, Mr. Johnson took (and still takes) a whole bunch of crap from the right.

Each group can go off to their own echo room and never have to listen to others. And on the right, it would appear that facts are banished from discourse.

How can you have a political discussion or compromise when facts are banned from one side of the discussion?

It is true, they get in their little echo chambers and believe they are far more numerous than they really are. But the same could be said about Democrats, many Bernie fans were confident because they could take over comment sections and reddit’s politics section, it showed Bernie was going to win. And when he was losing, they were sure it was only because of cheating by Hillary.

Now that the Bernie Bros have died down, the new thing for internet commentators is to loudly proclaim pro Trump alt-right literal fascism and “white genocide” statements. I got banned from reddits the_donald for my first and only comment there when I corrected someone that even if it wasn’t technically racism to want to stop all Muslims from entering America, it was plain old bigotry. So much for Trump fans being true believers of free speech!

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Shimshon  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:52:49pm

re: #51 HappyWarrior

Apparently that confidence extended to Romney HQ IIRC.

I did not know that his campaign was full of the same true believers in Karl Rove’s math to make him feel better. I do remember the story about all the campaign workers suddenly having their credit cards cancelled and being left in the cold after election night.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:52:58pm

re: #52 jaunte

I’ve actually plowed my way through it just to see if I could endure, and it’s stunning anyone would call it their favorite novel.

I’ve never touched Atlas Shrugged but I did have to read the Fountainhead in 11th grade Philosophy and I have to say how anyone can take Ayn Rand seriously is beyond me. I mean it’s just so cartoonish in the characterization.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:53:20pm

re: #54 Shimshon

I did not know that his campaign was full of the same true believers in Karl Rove’s math to make him feel better. I do remember the story about all the campaign workers suddenly having their credit cards cancelled and being left in the cold after election night.

I remember that as well. Really showed you the kind of guy Mitt really is.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:54:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:55:46pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

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I had respect for him before he came out strongly for Trump. Thought he saw through the new GOP because Dole to his credit despises Cruz for the stunt pulled on the UN Treaty on Disabilities.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:58:31pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

I clicked on his tweet time stamp and the first reply I saw was someone that typed in all caps “fuck me daddy.”

Bob Dole, Twitter may not be for Bob Dole.

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blueraven  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:59:13pm

Brit Hume, ripping up the script.

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Belafon  Jun 27, 2016 • 8:59:16pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

I’ve never touched Atlas Shrugged but I did have to read the Fountainhead in 11th grade Philosophy and I have to say how anyone can take Ayn Rand seriously is beyond me. I mean it’s just so cartoonish in the characterization.

I will say one good thing about the Fountainhead: The main character stuck with doing what he wanted to do no matter what the consequence were to him, and it did take a long time before he became successful. The fact that his architecture was actually crap is another thing, but I’ll give the character credit.

As for Atlas Shrugged, it made the readers feel like they could stay in the 16 year old male mindset forever.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2016 • 9:00:23pm
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jaunte  Jun 27, 2016 • 9:04:32pm
“…Stickers are an enormous business. (That sentence never stops being funny to write.) When messaging app Line went public in June, for instance, it revealed it had sold $286 million worth of stickers in the last year alone. Twitter’s not yet charging for any of its stickers, nor is it allowing advertisers or users to make and sell them, but “yet” is very much the operative word. That will happen. And it could mean big dollars for Twitter.”
wired.com

Now, figure out a way for Twitter to make money from reducing harassment.

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blueraven  Jun 27, 2016 • 9:05:37pm

Thanks, Obama!

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majii  Jun 27, 2016 • 9:05:49pm

re: #51 HappyWarrior

Romney had bought lots of explosives he had planned to set off in Boston on election night. He ended up having to write a last minute concession speech, which he followed up by canceling his aides’ credit cards, leaving those without cash stranded. I was surprised how quickly he cancelled their credit cards. It showed me that he didn’t intend to spend one more penny on them after he had to tuck tail and slink off into the dark of night. The articles I read also said there were many tears at his “victory” headquarters that night.

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Belafon  Jun 27, 2016 • 9:07:05pm

re: #64 blueraven

Thanks, Obama!

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Britain is our senile parent and needed us to hold its hand and tell it what to do. /

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 9:08:02pm

re: #61 Belafon

I will say one good thing about the Fountainhead: The main character stuck with doing what he wanted to do no matter what the consequence were to him, and it did take a long time before he became successful. The fact that his architecture was actually crap is another thing, but I’ll give the character credit.

As for Atlas Shrugged, it made the readers feel like they could stay in the 16 year old male mindset forever.

Funnily enough, I was 16 when I read the Fountainhead. I wasn’t really talking about the character of Roark in himself but rather how her antagonists are. re: #64 blueraven

Thanks, Obama!

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WTF was Obama’s supposed to realistically do? Obama cant’ control the whims of a bunch of protectionist nativist wankers and idiots who had no idea what they were voting on. Meanwhile, the Republican fucking nominee is gleeful about the development.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 9:08:53pm

re: #65 majii

Romney had bought lots of explosives he had planned to set off in Boston on election night. He ended up having to write a last minute concession speech, which he followed up by canceling his aides’ credit cards, leaving those without cash stranded. I was surprised how quickly he cancelled their credit cards. It showed me that he didn’t intend to spend one more penny on them after he had to tuck tail and slink off into the dark of night. The articles I read also said there were many tears at his “victory” headquarters that night.

I am glad. Romney is an asshole. Glad he got to find out that night he’d never be President despite what him and Ann thought they were entitled to.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 27, 2016 • 9:12:26pm

I’ll give you a glimpse into the sometimes haphazard workings of a Chinese university.

It’s now noon here. In three hours, I was scheduled to give a final exam to my sophomores. This was scheduled two weeks ago, maybe three.

30 minutes ago, I got a call from the colleague in charge of being the liaison to the foreign teachers (meaning me, since I’m the only foreign English teacher). He said the entire sophomore class is expected to attend a lecture by some professor or another this afternoon, so could I reschedule my exam?

I didn’t schedule my exam. The office did that. But the meaning was, sorry for the late notice, but you can’t have your final exam today, because someone at a higher level has made this mandatory for the students.

So, I have the day off (good!) but I am once again perplexed at the lack of coordination among different offices of a Chinese uni.

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Shimshon  Jun 27, 2016 • 9:14:11pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

I’ve never touched Atlas Shrugged but I did have to read the Fountainhead in 11th grade Philosophy and I have to say how anyone can take Ayn Rand seriously is beyond me. I mean it’s just so cartoonish in the characterization.

Forced to read that in high school? I can’t decide if it is indoctrination or torture. Treating kids like that is definitely a war crime.

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majii  Jun 27, 2016 • 9:14:13pm

re: #53 Shimshon

Glad I read your comment. It reminded me of Jan Brewer’s claim yesterday that President Obama calls republicans racists and bigots every time he doesn’t agree with them. Today, Trump straight up called Sen. Warren a racist, and no GOPer has said anything about it. A panel on CNN praised him for doing it and said it made him look like a “grown-up” for calling her a racist. I don’t recall the president ever calling all GOPers racists and bigots, but Brewer swears he has done so, and I know why—-it’s because they’ve spent an inordinate amount of their time since he entered office throwing race-based grenades and pretending they haven’t. I wasn’t too surprised by Brewer’s claim because I’ve heard the same type of projection for more than seven years.

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Shimshon  Jun 27, 2016 • 9:14:41pm

I am watching Full Frontal and the intro with Sam interviewed by Charlie Rose… brilliant.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 9:15:35pm

re: #70 Shimshon

Forced to read that in high school? I can’t decide if it is indoctrination or torture. Treating kids like that is definitely a war crime.

It was for philosophy class. We were learning about her philosophy. And nah the guy who taught the class was about as far from being a Randian as you could get. Probably one of the best teachers I ever had at playing Devil’s Advocate. I later to got to know him since he also taught political science.

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Belafon  Jun 27, 2016 • 9:16:23pm

re: #70 Shimshon

Forced to read that in high school? I can’t decide if it is indoctrination or torture. Treating kids like that is definitely a war crime.

My kids had to read Anthem. Having read it, and the other two books, I think the Fountainhead is the least annoying.

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Shimshon  Jun 27, 2016 • 9:18:09pm

re: #71 majii

Glad I read your comment. It reminded me of Jan Brewer’s claim yesterday that President Obama calls republicans racists and bigots every time he doesn’t agree with them. Today, Trump straight up called Sen. Warren a racist, and no GOPer has said anything about it. A panel on CNN praised him for doing it and said it made him look like a “grown-up for calling her a racist. I don’t recall the president ever calling all GOPers racists and bigots, but Brewer swears he has done so, and I know why—-it’s because they’ve spent an inordinate amount of their time since he entered office throwing race-based grenades and pretending they haven’t. I wasn’t too surprised by Brewer’s claim because I’ve heard the same type of projection for more than seven years.

These are the people that instead of trying to quiet the racist section of their voters who hated Obama since the 2008 election cycle, they’ve been blaming him for “dividing America” and causing “racism.” Finally they throw out the dog whistles and go straight to the “you are racist for pointing out our racism” that only conservative internet commentators and bloggers tried for everything from gay marriage to police abuse.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 9:19:14pm

re: #74 Belafon

My kids had to read Anthem. Having read it, and the other two books, I think the Fountainhead is the least annoying.

Honestly, the philosophy aside, her writing does nothing for me. Seeing her on that old Donohue interview was a catch. It’s like if your grandmother was the kind of person who refused to send you a birthday card. The funniest thing was seeing the kids who had taken conservative positions when we discussed bioethics i.e. physician aided suicide love Ayn because they also matched their economic views.

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Shimshon  Jun 27, 2016 • 9:20:09pm

re: #73 HappyWarrior

It was for philosophy class. We were learning about her philosophy. And nah the guy who taught the class was about as far from being a Randian as you could get. Probably one of the best teachers I ever had at playing Devil’s Advocate. I later to got to know him since he also taught political science.

That explanation makes sense, you must have gone to a good school. I’d think a class like that would be university level. In high school we read 1984, Animal Farm, and Fahrenheit 451 but for summer reading.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2016 • 9:21:39pm

re: #77 Shimshon

That explanation makes sense, you must have gone to a good school. I’d think a class like that would be university level. In high school we read 1984, Animal Farm, and Fahrenheit 451 but for summer reading.

Yeah the county where I grew up is considered one of the best in the state. of Virginia. I can’t remember any of the novels we read in English but we read a lot of short stories and to this day, I still love reading short stories.

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Shimshon  Jun 27, 2016 • 9:37:31pm

I had no idea Trump repeated the lie about an American general dipping bullets in pigs blood in the Philippines. Is this a dream? Am I asleep? Please wake me up! WOW…

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Shimshon  Jun 27, 2016 • 9:42:05pm

re: #78 HappyWarrior

Yeah the county where I grew up is considered one of the best in the state. of Virginia. I can’t remember any of the novels we read in English but we read a lot of short stories and to this day, I still love reading short stories.

Growing up in CA we had bad public schools. My parents paid too much money for what turned out to be a joke of a private school to send me to. There were some interesting classes and great teachers but the small school kept adding new kids to pack into classrooms each year because the Headmaster wanted more money. I was happy to graduate with a low 2.95 gpa and it took me a while to get into the school mood again.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 27, 2016 • 9:51:30pm

re: #77 Shimshon

That explanation makes sense, you must have gone to a good school. I’d think a class like that would be university level. In high school we read 1984, Animal Farm, and Fahrenheit 451 but for summer reading.

IIRC, we read 1984, Animal Farm, Tom Sawyer, and maybe F 451 in junior high. We also read Brave New World, Macbeth, The Crystal Cave, The Once and Future King (selections), The Crying of Lot 49, Down These Mean Streets, and Invisible Man in high school. I’m sure there were others, plus poetry, but it’s been a long-ass time, and I’ve forgotten most of what we read in English classes. As you can see, the reading list was pretty eclectic. Our English teachers were a progressive bunch.

None of Ayn Rand’s books were on that reading list, AFAIK.

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Kragar  Jun 27, 2016 • 10:20:24pm
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KGxvi  Jun 27, 2016 • 10:22:40pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Yeah he never was a Senator or anything like that. And he apparently had enough regard for the Constitution that the University of Chicago let him lecture on Constitutional Law. Conservatives just can’t stand the fact that Obama knows more about the Constitution than they ever will so they make some cracks about how Obama is some moron who doesn’t know the Constitution.

In fairness, there are competing theories of constitutional law. It is an area of law (both practical and in theory) that draws a lot of attention and can lead to people having very different views on it. As an example - my former constitutional law professor, John Eastman, is incredibly conservative (he’s chairman of NOM and clerked for Thomas); his good friend, Erwin Chemerinski is dean of UCI Law School and as far to the left as Eastman is to the right (Chemerinski also wrote/edited what was one of the most used Con Law case books in law school while I was there). The two of them used to have a weekly spot on Hewitt’s radio show where they’d discuss Supreme Court cases and such.

The biggest difference between strict constructionists and living document supporters (and realistically there’s probably two or three more schools of thought, but those are the most prominent), is that strict constructionists tend to be more theoretical in their application while living document types tend to be more practical by trying to apply contemporary standards to old (and often vague) language.

That said, you don’t get to be editor of the Harvard Law Review and a professor (adjunct or otherwise) of constitutional law at the University of Chicago (two of the top four law schools in the country) without knowing something of constitutional law. So the idea that the president doesn’t know anything about constitutional law is stupid on its face.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:17:15pm

I found ‘All In The Family’ on Crackle tonight. I guess it’s just season 3, but every comment Archie Bunker made in 1972 is exactly what I see said in almost every single conservative website comment section today. Conservatives haven’t changed one iota in the past 40 years.

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Jay C  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:23:12pm

re: #64 blueraven

re: #67 HappyWarrior

I read that AI piece twice (as the “one free article” in front of the paywall, I thought I should get my lack-of-money’s worth) and it still makes amazingly little sense. Except, of course, as an exercise in “what cam we blame Obama for this week?” Yeah, Europe has a lot of problems, but they really aren’t the US’s responsibility to fix: when PBO did voice an opinion on Brexit, most Brits - whose decision it was, after all - either 1) shrugged it off; or 2) told him to mind his own business (in various degrees of politeness). Had “Remain” won, I’m sure the same commentators would still be castigating Obama - and casting the result as “in spite of” American “interference”…

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Jay C  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:26:19pm

re: #79 Shimshon

I had no idea Trump repeated the lie about an American general dipping bullets in pigs blood in the Philippines. Is this a dream? Am I asleep? Please wake me up! WOW…

Naaah, that’s sadly real: Der Drumpfenfuhrer loves that story: he’s been repeating it since the start of the primary season: Muslim-bashers eat that stuff up, regardless of veracity: Trump knows his audience.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:26:21pm

re: #83 KGxvi

I tend to view the two main schools as differing mostly around the importance of authorial intent. I’m of the opinion that once an author has died and can’t be questioned their intent, whatever it might have been, dies with them and there’s no point in trying to Ouija it back up out of the grave. If that’s the more practical approach all the better, but I also feel this way because I’ve seen so many so-called “strict textualists” toss the plain language out entirely when it suits them. It’s become obvious to me that they don’t actually care about the text at all, but in using or discarding it at will in order to obstruct progress.

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Snarknado!  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:33:12pm

re: #83 KGxvi

In fairness, there are competing theories of constitutional law. It is an area of law (both practical and in theory) that draws a lot of attention and can lead to people having very different views on it. As an example - my former constitutional law professor, John Eastman, is incredibly conservative (he’s chairman of NOM and clerked for Thomas); his good friend, Erwin Chemerinski is dean of UCI Law School and as far to the left as Eastman is to the right (Chemerinski also wrote/edited what was one of the most used Con Law case books in law school while I was there). The two of them used to have a weekly spot on Hewitt’s radio show where they’d discuss Supreme Court cases and such.

The biggest difference between strict constructionists and living document supporters (and realistically there’s probably two or three more schools of thought, but those are the most prominent), is that strict constructionists tend to be more theoretical in their application while living document types tend to be more practical by trying to apply contemporary standards to old (and often vague) language.

That said, you don’t get to be editor of the Harvard Law Review and a professor (adjunct or otherwise) of constitutional law at the University of Chicago (two of the top four law schools in the country) without knowing something of constitutional law. So the idea that the president doesn’t know anything about constitutional law is stupid on its face.

Also, addressing the nonsense about “releasing his grades” or whatever the hell they think he should do, his undergraduate grades were good enough to get him into Harvard Law School (even if the worst dark imaginings of RWNJs is true and the dreaded affirmative action was a factor in his admission, they’d have to be pretty good — probably better than all the nut jobs howling for him to release them).

And he graduated magna cum laude from law school. Harvard Law School.

On that note, good night all.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:47:04pm
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majii  Jun 27, 2016 • 11:50:10pm

re: #85 Jay C

“…what cam we blame Obama for this week?”
THIS has been the only playbook GOPers have used since January 20, 2009. I saw one of their creatures on TV a few days ago blaming the president because ISIS hasn’t been wiped from the face of the planet yet. CNN’s Chris Cuomo asked him a very good question—why hasn’t Congress touched the request for military authorization against ISIS, going on one and one half years, and counting? Of course, the GOPer pol refused to admit that Congress has foreign policy powers it is refusing to use. The GOPer then punted to talking about gun control. These tools have said, “HELL, NO!” to cooperating with this president at every turn. Cornyn is now blaming the president on Twitter for the increase in the number of cases of Zika Virus. Never mind that GOPers in Congress are using every tactic they have to either reduce the amount of funding the president requested or add unnecessary amendments related to women’s healthcare and/or Obamacare to the bill. They have refused to pass a clean bill, but Cornyn is already pointing fingers at the president who has no power to push any bill through Congress. Cornyn does, but instead of focusing on passing needed legislation, he’ll obstruct in Congress, then he’ll turn around and tell us that it’s the president’s fault. These suckers did the same thing with the bill to help citizens in Flint, Michigan who have lead poisoning due to Snyder’s plan to save a few million dollars. It’s sh*t like this that makes me know they’re lying when they claim to be pro-life. The word life doesn’t only apply to what happens at conception or when a baby is born, as pro-fetus proponents seem to believe. Life refers to the period after birth until one dies. That’s life, and pro-fetus persons should, but don’t, include this period in everyone’s life. What good is fighting for the unborn and acting as if they’re dead after they are born? That pro-life sh*t is one of the biggest cons ever run in America. The Duggers, the Benton Bros, Huckabee, Robertson, Palin, Dobson, and many others on the right have gotten rich beating the pro-fetus drum. Palin was so pro-fetus a few years ago that when many in far flung Alaskan villages were nearly freezing to death, she waited until Franklin Graham came to Alaska on his private jet to visit some of the villages, and she took what she called “home-baked” cookies. Hell, I live in GA and I donated cash. She couldn’t even do that much.

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Teukka  Jun 28, 2016 • 12:00:53am

The TX Gov’s derp reminds me of the social insurance secy’s derp here in Sweden during the conservative alliance years… She inadvertently admitted to media that the reforms in the social insurance system for the sick and disabled wasn’t about incentivizing people to work, but to free up enough funds for tax cuts.

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Only, it remained for years. And it had sickening effects. People having terminal conditions getting the letter from the agency to report to the unemployment bureau literarly days before dying. Suicides spiking. I live next to one of the favorite suicide bridges in Stockholm.

When the system was its busiest kicking out the “moochers”, it was an everyday occurrence that the bridge got closed because of a suicide candidate. Not to mention those who succeeded in their intents (have some true horror stories about that). I was so pissed off that I confronted an alliance politician trying to get re-elected about it, pointing out the makeshift memorials all over the bridge. Within days, they were removed.

And I got hit by the “reforms” myself. I got lied to by health care workers that the doc couldn’t even formally declare me as sick because I didn’t have a job. Spent 4 years or so on welfare, which is was made all the more stressful and demeaning by the very tight rules imposed by the muni alliance admin. It was during this time my Psoriasis broke out.

The nicest part? Before I had about 25% of full working capacity. After that stint? Well under 10%. I’ve never seen a Social Insurance Agency worker so pissed off as when I told him what the healthcare workers had told me, he flat out told me “They told you a fucking lie!” I’ve since been reached by information which clearly suggests the county health care workers were under pressure to meet quotas and to lie to patients if necessary by the alliance admin.

In later years, the Tory admin in the UK tightened their social insurance system according to the Swedish model. With the same kind of results. There was a highly publicized case where a woman who had been in a coma for months got the letter to report to the unemployment bureau…

Of course the horror stories, regardless of who told them were all “Soshulizzzt probagandah!! 1111thy11!!!” or “Isolated incidents!”. To date, they have not been able to explain how, even though “Rampant fraud!!!!” was touted as the main reasons for the reform of the system, the fraud level verified by the Social Insurance Agency itself came back at 0.1% (SIC(!)).

Yes, there are other systems handled by the Social Insurance Agency here that have had highly publicized fraud cases (personal assistance), but the sick pay and disability system which had the most draconian reforms had 0.1% fraud, including the borderline cases.

And people wonder why I view conservatives as being disconnected from reality, or why the “Moocher” concept aggravates me to no end. That’s because I’ve seen the effects of it.
</rant>

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Dave In Austin  Jun 28, 2016 • 12:05:54am

Ummm…. No.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 28, 2016 • 12:10:12am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2016 • 12:20:11am

re: #26 Anymouse

Well, after three days of argument with the bank that holds my wife’s credit card, they finally authorised it for our whole car trip. (Don’t quite get it: Canada, authorise the whole country. USA, need a list of every state you will be in.)

She had them read back the list of states to ensure they got it right. They were still arguing with her this afternoon why she needed so many states authorised (duh, car trip).

Crap, it’s a good thing we weren’t trying to drive from Maine to California.

Sounds like Europe before the EU…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2016 • 12:21:52am

re: #36 HappyWarrior

My favorite memory of the 2012 Election Cycle though? Romney being so sure that the Supreme Court would repeal ACA and then finding out that Roberts ruled ACA was Constitutional. He literally had no plan to deal with ACA being ruled constitutional.

And which was the new network that, in the rush to be the first one out with the story, started reading the decision on air and came to the erroneous conslusion at first that ACA had been overruled

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2016 • 12:23:41am

re: #36 HappyWarrior

My favorite memory of the 2012 Election Cycle though? Romney being so sure that the Supreme Court would repeal ACA and then finding out that Roberts ruled ACA was Constitutional. He literally had no plan to deal with ACA being ruled constitutional.

For me it was when Obama simply asked Romney why the GOP was so opposed to ACA although it was identical to the bill he had passed in Massachusetts. Romney’s answer was so hapless and basically boiled down to the fact that it was Obamacare and not Romneycare.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2016 • 12:26:42am

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Barack Obama is an American success story. People who think he’s just an idiot who coasted by because of his race are fucking bigoted asses.

Exactly, instead of holding him up as an example of how the American Dream works and that color is no longer an object as long as you work hard and apply yourself, conservatives made him out to be an affirmative action baby who did nothing or little to deserve what he attained. Because they could not bring themselves to acknowledge his accomplishments in any way, no matter how begrudgingly.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2016 • 12:31:39am

re: #67 HappyWarrior

WTF was Obama’s supposed to realistically do? Obama cant’ control the whims of a bunch of protectionist nativist wankers and idiots who had no idea what they were voting on. Meanwhile, the Republican fucking nominee is gleeful about the development.

It is a good thing for our candidate and yet it is still a disaster: thanks, Obama, for ruining our ability to think and express ourselves logically and consistently!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 28, 2016 • 1:18:09am

re: #48 jaunte

I had forgotten this detail of that campaign, but was reading Going Clear earlier this evening and read that Romney’s favorite novel was L. Ron Hubbards’s Battlefield Earth. Not one of the great intellects among presidential candidates.

Wow! I’d never heard that. There are plenty of right-wing science fiction authors who can actually write. Try The Mote in God’s Eye, Mitt!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2016 • 1:19:58am

re: #99 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Wow! I’d never heard that. There are plenty of right-wing science fiction authors who can actually write. Try The Mote in God’s Eye, Mitt!

The Mitt in God’s Eye

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 28, 2016 • 2:02:28am
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Ace-o-aces  Jun 28, 2016 • 2:06:34am
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Teukka  Jun 28, 2016 • 2:10:51am

re: #102 Ace-o-aces

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Timothy Watson  Jun 28, 2016 • 2:41:52am
Why would a woman stand as a lone picketer, in professional business attire, outside Transportation Security Administration headquarters offices on a hot day, with a sign claiming “no justice”?

Why would 100,000 people sign a petition calling on the White House to remove National Park Service Director Jonathan Jarvis for not acting on employee misconduct? I mean, he just published a book on the beauties of the nation’s magnificent park system.

The answer is simple: Sex.

More accurately, sexual harassment or other misbehavior involving sex.

In the federal government these days, instances of sexual misbehavior are like dandelions. You spot one, then suddenly you see them all over the lawn.

federalnewsradio.com

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BadExampleMan  Jun 28, 2016 • 3:02:58am

re: #84 Single-handed sailor

I found ‘All In The Family’ on Crackle tonight. I guess it’s just season 3, but every comment Archie Bunker made in 1972 is exactly what I see said in almost every single conservative website comment section today. Conservatives haven’t changed one iota in the past 40 years.

For example, they still don’t realize that Archie Bunker was supposed to be a figure of fun, and more than a little pathetic.

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BadExampleMan  Jun 28, 2016 • 3:05:04am

re: #36 HappyWarrior

My favorite memory of the 2012 Election Cycle though? Romney being so sure that the Supreme Court would repeal ACA and then finding out that Roberts ruled ACA was Constitutional. He literally had no plan to deal with ACA being ruled constitutional.

I thought it was pretty good when Crazy-Eyes Bachmann briefly misunderstood which way the decision went and started cheering on camera.

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Ming5000  Jun 28, 2016 • 3:36:41am

re: #26 Anymouse

That sounds crazy. What kind of credit card does your wife have?

I did have an American Express card stop working when I was on a drive trip to Florida because of the unusual charging pattern. But, I think they tried to contact me before they shut it off.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Jun 28, 2016 • 4:00:13am

Volkswagen’s settlement estimated to cast $15 billion.

Volkswagen AG’s (VOWG_p.DE) settlement with nearly 500,000 U.S. customers and government regulators over polluting diesel vehicles is valued at more than $15 billion cash, two sources briefed on the matter said on Monday.

The settlement, to be announced on Tuesday in Washington, includes $10.033 billion to offer buybacks to owners of about 475,000 polluting vehicles and nearly $5 billion in funds to offset excess diesel emissions and boost investment in zero emission vehicles, the sources said.

A separate settlement with nearly all U.S. state attorneys general over excess diesel emissions will be announced on Tuesday and is expected to be more than $500 million and will push the total to over $15 billion, a separate source briefed on the matter said.

Brexit I am sure was just the icing on the cake for VW.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Jun 28, 2016 • 4:02:38am

For sure for sure

Moon Zappa Valley Girl

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Ming5000  Jun 28, 2016 • 4:08:04am

re: #109 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Aww. Marilyn McCoo!

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Tigger2  Jun 28, 2016 • 4:18:59am

Finally got around to reading the Thread on the SCOTUS decision on abortion at FR, They are taking it well lol. The comments are crazy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2016 • 4:20:24am

re: #111 Tigger2

Finally got around to reading the Thread on the SCOTUS decision on abortion at FR, They are taking it well. lol The comments are crazy.

Overthrow the SCOTUS? When in the course of human events, a constitutionally appointed body reaches a decision I agree with, it is my right and duty to take up arms against them?

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Tigger2  Jun 28, 2016 • 4:22:38am

re: #112 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Overthrow the SCOTUS? When in the course of human events, a constitutionally appointed body reaches a decision I agree with, it is my right and duty to take up arms against them?

The comments are all over the place. Anything stupid you can think of, it was in the comments.

One guy said practice firing at 600 yards then another guy said practice firing at 1500 yards lol. They were talking about the next Revolution.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Jun 28, 2016 • 4:44:15am

Wow, the Brexiters are calling the EU the fourth Reich? Really? Man I wish I could quit you internet!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2016 • 4:51:45am

re: #114 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Wow, the Brexiters are calling the EU the fourth Reich? Really? Man I wish I could quit you internet!

People who voted to leave really had no fucking idea what they were voting for other than voicing their protest and discontent with the EU. Those who think that it means Britain for the British and Foreigners Go Home are totally delusional, even though that is what they voted for in their minds…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2016 • 4:54:57am

re: #83 KGxvi

In fairness, there are competing theories of constitutional law. It is an area of law (both practical and in theory) that draws a lot of attention and can lead to people having very different views on it. As an example - my former constitutional law professor, John Eastman, is incredibly conservative (he’s chairman of NOM and clerked for Thomas); his good friend, Erwin Chemerinski is dean of UCI Law School and as far to the left as Eastman is to the right (Chemerinski also wrote/edited what was one of the most used Con Law case books in law school while I was there). The two of them used to have a weekly spot on Hewitt’s radio show where they’d discuss Supreme Court cases and such.

The biggest difference between strict constructionists and living document supporters (and realistically there’s probably two or three more schools of thought, but those are the most prominent), is that strict constructionists tend to be more theoretical in their application while living document types tend to be more practical by trying to apply contemporary standards to old (and often vague) language.

That said, you don’t get to be editor of the Harvard Law Review and a professor (adjunct or otherwise) of constitutional law at the University of Chicago (two of the top four law schools in the country) without knowing something of constitutional law. So the idea that the president doesn’t know anything about constitutional law is stupid on its face.

You are right about that. In my zeal, I pretty much implied that they had no legitimate interpretation of the law which is silly of me to imply but yes you don’t get his positions without having some knowledge of constitutional law. I just get tired of conservatives acting like they have a monopoly on understanding hte Constiution and I find the Originists arrogant in their attempt to claim to speak for the Founders when in reality they use present biases just as muc has the judicial activists they hate.

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ozharas  Jun 28, 2016 • 4:57:42am

godawful “speech” from Farage at the EU - basically a nah nah you lost I win rant - but did he forget that Britain has to enter protracted, delicate, complicated negotiations with these people to try to salvage some semblance of an economy out of all this mess?

Facebook Video

Followed by a rousing emotional speech by Smith of Scotland - please do not let Scotland down.

dailyrecord.co.uk

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2016 • 5:04:40am

re: #117 ozharas

godawful “speech” from Farage at the EU - basically a nah nah you lost I win rant - but did he forget that Britain has to enter protracted, delicate, complicated negotiations with these people to try to salvage some semblance of an economy out of all this mess?

Again, most of the people who voted Leave had no idea what they were getting their country into…

In the end, they will most likely wind up with a series of agreements that are similar for most intents and purposes to current EU regulations, just more of a bureaucratic hassle for normal people who want to take advantage of them.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 28, 2016 • 5:26:30am

re: #71 majii

So it’s not racist to call someone “Pocahontas” multiple times? But it’s racist if Senator Warren mistakenly thought she had Native American heritage? Our side should be hammering Trump for using a Native American moniker to go after someone. It’s racist.

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Nyet  Jun 28, 2016 • 5:28:56am

re: #119 Patricia Kayden

So it’s not racist to call someone “Pocahontas” multiple times? But it’s racist if Senator Warren mistakenly thought she had Native American heritage? Our side should be hammering Trump for using a Native American moniker to go after someone. It’s racist.

It’s obnoxious as hell, but given that he was specifically mocking her incorrect claim of Cherokee ancestry, I’d like to know why it’s racist.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2016 • 5:29:05am

re: #119 Patricia Kayden

So it’s not racist to call someone “Pocahontas” multiple times? But it’s racist if Senator Warren mistakenly thought she had Native American heritage? Our side should be hammering Trump for using a Native American moniker to go after someone. It’s racist.

Again, the narrative is tweaked to make it sound like EW lied about her heritage to gain some advantage in appointment or promotion.

That is not the case when one examines the facts closely, but this campaign is not about examining facts, it is about character assassination, as that is about the only weapon the GOP has left.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 28, 2016 • 5:31:29am

re: #92 Dave In Austin

Ummm…. No.

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Good luck with all that.

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Nyet  Jun 28, 2016 • 5:36:54am

re: #120 Nyet

It’s obnoxious as hell, but given that he was specifically mocking her incorrect claim of Cherokee ancestry, I’d like to know why it’s racist.

To be sure, had he been mocking her real heritage, it would have been racist by default.
The whole point of the childish taunt is that she was wrong and, as taunts go, “imagines herself to be an Indian princess” and some such bs. Idiotic, sure. Racist? Need convincing.

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darthstar  Jun 28, 2016 • 5:48:28am

Some hoaxes are funnier than others. This one is good.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2016 • 5:49:38am

re: #124 darthstar

Some hoaxes are funnier than others. This one is good.

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a little too obvious…

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Scout  Jun 28, 2016 • 5:50:03am

re: #82 Kragar

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Wasn’t one of Romney’s great blunders in 2012 not running any ads in early summer, allowing the Democratic Party to set the narrative, painting him as a heartless vulture capitalist?

It seems that maybe the same thing is happening now, with the Dems fixing Trump’s image as wholly unfit for the office.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2016 • 5:54:33am

re: #126 Scout

Wasn’t one of Romney’s great blunders in 2012 not running any ads in early summer, allowing the Democratic Party to set the narrative, painting him as a heartless vulture capitalist?

It seems that maybe the same thing is happening now, with the Dems fixing Trump’s image as wholly unfit for the office.

Well, the fact that Romney truly was a heartless vulture capitalist and Trump is wholly unfit for office does not help their situation, either…

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Scout  Jun 28, 2016 • 5:55:35am

re: #123 Nyet

To be sure, had he been mocking her real heritage, it would have been racist by default.
The whole point of the childish taunt is that she was wrong and, as taunts go, “imagines herself to be an Indian princess” and some such bs. Idiotic, sure. Racist? Need convincing.

I’m speaking only for myself here, but for me calling anyone “Pocahontas” in a disparaging manner is racist in and of itself. Same as his fans doing “Indian war dances” or whatever the hell they do at their weird rallies.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Jun 28, 2016 • 5:56:25am

re: #126 Scout

You must listen to Rush Limbaugh.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 28, 2016 • 5:58:32am

Wait, wasn’t this what Snowden condemned the NSA for doing?

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Jun 28, 2016 • 5:58:35am

re: #128 Scout

I do Indian war dances in the mosh pit at Anthrax concerts, but that is me.

Anthrax - Indians

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 28, 2016 • 5:59:34am

re: #126 Scout

Wasn’t one of Romney’s great blunders in 2012 not running any ads in early summer, allowing the Democratic Party to set the narrative, painting him as a heartless vulture capitalist?

It seems that maybe the same thing is happening now, with the Dems fixing Trump’s image as wholly unfit for the office.

Trump is unfit for the office. All the Dems need to do is run video clips of him.

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Scout  Jun 28, 2016 • 5:59:37am

re: #129 Emptor scriptor Remorse

You must listen to Rush Limbaugh.

LOL. Why do you say that?

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:00:57am

re: #133 Scout

That is what Rush was talking about last week. Romney had no money in June, and couldn’t run ads.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:04:00am

re: #132 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Trump is unfit for the office. All the Dems need to do is run video clips of him.

Which is totally unfair. Donald Trump determines from moment to moment what the current message is

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Scout  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:06:39am

re: #134 Emptor scriptor Remorse

That is what Rush was talking about last week. Romney had no money in June, and couldn’t run ads.

Ah.

No, I was just going on memory from some of the post mortems after that campaign.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:08:34am
…States’ lawmaking authority to safeguard the health and safety of women

Really? I thought everything was supposed to be about Freedom and Liberty.

/

But let’s remember this new conservative principle when talking about consumer protection, Medicaid expansion.

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darthstar  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:09:08am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:11:20am

re: #138 darthstar

That photographer deserves a medal.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:11:24am

re: #111 Tigger2

Finally got around to reading the Thread on the SCOTUS decision on abortion at FR, They are taking it well lol. The comments are crazy.

I’m sure they just care about women’s health.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:11:26am

re: #135 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Which is totally unfair. Donald Trump determines from moment to moment what the current message is

The world is constantly in flux, after all. One must be nimble of mind and spirit.

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darthstar  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:12:06am

Game Changer

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:12:19am

re: #141 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The world is constantly in flux, after all. One must be nimble of mind and spirit.

Which means having the memory of an amoeba: stimulus - response.

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ObserverArt  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:15:06am

Cool political related news from Columbus today.

John Kasich and others have decided to name Columbus International Airport John Glenn Columbus International Airport. It’s being done today in a big ceremony at the airport.

Kinda nice that current Republicans are willing to acknowledge former pilot, astronaut and Democratic Senator and great Ohio Buckeye John Glenn for his years of service to this country and the great State of Ohio.

usnews.com - Astronaut John Glenn gets Ohio airport renamed in his honor

Astronaut John Glenn gets Ohio airport renamed in his honor.

Astronaut John Glenn is getting an airport renamed in his honor in his home state of Ohio.

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — Astronaut John Glenn is getting an airport renamed in his honor in his home state of Ohio.

The 94-year-old former U.S. senator and his wife are scheduled to appear at a ceremony Tuesday to rename Port Columbus International Airport in Ohio’s capital city as John Glenn Columbus International Airport.

State lawmakers voted on a bill last month to authorize the renaming. Republican House Speaker Clifford Rosenberger and Democratic Mayor Andrew Ginther are expected at the event.

Glenn was the first American to orbit the earth in 1962. He was a member of NASA’s Mercury Seven crew that led the U.S. into space. With Scott Carpenter’s death in 2013, he became the crew’s last surviving member.

Glenn was raised in New Concord, Ohio.

Copyright 2016 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:15:40am
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) condemned the decision by arguing that it jeopardizes the state’s objective “to protect innocent life.”

I thought the state’s over-riding and perhaps only objective was Liberty?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:16:29am

re: #144 ObserverArt

Cool political related news from Columbus today.

John Kasich and others have decided to name Columbus International Airport John Glenn Columbus International Airport. It’s being done today in a big ceremony at the airport.

Kinda nice that current Republicans are willing to acknowledge former pilot, astronaut and Democratic Senator and great Ohio Buckeye John Glenn for his years of service to this country and the great State of Ohio.

usnews.com - Astronaut John Glenn gets Ohio airport renamed in his honor

Wow, still alive. 94.

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lawhawk  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:24:05am

So, today’s going to be all Benghazi all the time? Well, great. Let’s have yet another reminder that in the years since Benghazi there were how many Congressional hearings? How many thousands of hours and millions of dollars spent on the incident, and then compare the Administration response to the death of 4 US citizens, including Ambassador Stevens to similar types of terror attacks against diplomatic facilities under prior Administrations.

With Obama, there was a move to create a rapid reaction force with the DoD so that if there’s an attack, the DoD could respond quickly to much of Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East in a few hours time. Prior to Benghazi, the US had no such capability - mostly because no prior Administration thought of doing that - even when the US was suffering attacks against diplomatic facilities pretty much on an annual basis. Not Reagan nor Bush (GHWB or GWB) created the rapid reaction force.

But yeah, let’s have another hearing that reveals the fog of war in the early hours after an attack against US diplomatic facilities. Yet the GOP wont hold a single hearing about gun deaths that kill 30,000 annually.

Just this week we saw a sickening report of a mentally ill mother who shot down her two daughters and cops were forced to kill her because she was going to deliver a coup de gras against one of the daughters - all while the father looked on trying to plead with her to stop killing her family. Did I mention that his mother was one of the supposed good guys with a gun and was a prolific gun rights supporter who law enforcement knew because of her mental health issues, but couldn’t do anything because the NRA obstructs on imposing any kind of restrictions for ownership if the person is mentally ill. Three dead, and three people who could have been alive but for NRA obstruction.

That’s just one of many such fatalities this week - like the 2 killed 2 injured in Oregon in yet another mass shooting (4+ shot in a single incident).

But yeah, let’s rehash Benghazi again. What will we have learned from this report that we didn’t know in any of the earlier ones? That the GOP is still playing politics with national security? That the GOP held the hearings with the express interest in doing damage to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and ambitions?

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jeffreyw  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:24:06am

Imgur
Good morning!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:25:22am

re: #147 lawhawk

So, today’s going to be all Benghazi all the time?

No, at least 50% of it will be devoted to the FBI investigating her e-mails…

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Dave In Austin  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:25:27am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:27:44am

re: #130 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Wait, wasn’t this what Snowden condemned the NSA for doing?

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He’s a Greenwaldite. Everything is OK as long as it’s not the US that’s doing it.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:27:47am

US News and World Report: Branson, Farage, Merkel: Brexit Fallout Continues

Turbulent financial fallout from last week’s Brexit vote continued Tuesday with Virgin Group CEO Richard Branson saying his iconic company has lost a third of its value since the United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union.

“We’re not any worse than anybody else but I suspect we’ve lost a third of our value,” Branson said Tuesday.

“We are heading towards a disaster. I don’t believe the public realized what a mess their vote would cost,” Branson said. “This country is going to go into recession. Two of the worst days ever - banks have been pounded means they are not going to lend money, we’re going to go into recession.”

Delta Airlines bought 49.9% of Virgin Atlantic a few years back-so you can bet there’s some very unhappy people in Atlanta right now…

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:29:44am

re: #152 Eric The Fruit Bat

US News and World Report: Branson, Farage, Merkel: Brexit Fallout Continues

Delta Airlines bought 49.9% of Virgin Atlantic a few years back-so you can bet there’s some very unhappy people in Atlanta right now…

Well, we don’t really know all that will happen, but you know, immigrants, the elites, etc.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:30:09am

re: #152 Eric The Fruit Bat

US News and World Report: Branson, Farage, Merkel: Brexit Fallout Continues

Delta Airlines bought 49.9% of Virgin Atlantic a few years back-so you can bet there’s some very unhappy people in Atlanta right now…

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:30:37am

re: #130 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Wait, wasn’t this what Snowden condemned the NSA for doing?

Yes but only because the U.S. is making Russia do it.

/

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:30:57am

Trump has not tweeted in almost 24 hours. Did he delete his account?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:32:08am

BOOM!

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:34:59am

re: #152 Eric The Fruit Bat

US News and World Report: Branson, Farage, Merkel: Brexit Fallout Continues

Delta Airlines bought 49.9% of Virgin Atlantic a few years back-so you can bet there’s some very unhappy people in Atlanta right now…

villagevoice.com

And the British Pound fell right through the floor. “The pound has crashed,” said a stupefied Andrew Stuttaford at National Review. “As to what this means for now, let’s be honest: No-one really knows.” Thanks for voting right, though!

Others tried to spin the situation. “Short-term, there will be dislocations, job losses, and a roller-coaster stock market in Europe,” admitted Rick Moran at American Thinker. “But long-term, the picture could be a lot brighter for Great Britain.” Yeah, how? “Most of the individual trade agreements that Britain will sign are likely to be mutually beneficial to both parties, leading to a further weakening of the concept of a European Union.” Mutually beneficial to both parties! Why didn’t someone think of that earlier? And if Europe collapses, England’s bound to benefit, just like they did in the years following World War II. Look on the bright side!

Bloomberg’s Megan McArdle, who had previously explained that Brexiters were experiencing “compassion fatigue” from having to smell curry and listen to foreign languages, found the collapse untroubling. “I mean, yes, the British pound took a pounding, and no surprise,” she sniffed. But that was just “a reflection of sudden uncertainty, not a prediction about the global economic future,” McArdle said. Anyway, the 48 percent of English who voted Remain only represented — you guessed it — “the elites,” whom McArdle puckishly suggested should “reforge common identities with the neighbors they have to live with.” Just as McArdle had done by talking to black people on the bus in her Washington, D.C., neighborhood and learning how happy they were that white people like her had come to save them.

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darthstar  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:35:27am

re: #153 Sir John Barron

Well, we don’t really know all that will happen, but you know, immigrants, the elites, etc.

A lot of people who voted Leave already live hand to mouth for the most part. Recession means things go from hard to harder. Recovery means things go from harder to hard.

Virgin losing 1/3 of its value in a week is meaningless to them.

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lawhawk  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:35:41am

re: #156 The Vicious Babushka

No. He didn’t delete his account, but Gideon Resnick tweeted something this morning that shows just how bigoted Trump is. He gives his approval to every tweet that goes out under his name.

That means every neo Nazi and every white supremacist quote tweeted is done with Trump’s express approval.

This once again shows that Trump doesn’t have the character or judgement to be anywhere near the White House. Not even on the tour.

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darthstar  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:36:42am

re: #157 The Vicious Babushka

BOOM!

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So there IS something hidden that they couldn’t find! I knew it! Start a new investigation! Call it Benghazi II, Electric boogaloo!

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:36:54am

re: #157 The Vicious Babushka

BOOM!

Wrong! All lies! Hurr hurr…Hillary for Prison!!!! Impeach!!!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:37:37am

re: #160 lawhawk

No. He didn’t delete his account, but Gideon Resnick tweeted something this morning that shows just how bigoted Trump is. He gives his approval to every tweet that goes out under his name.

Allowing them to be re-tweeted without approval would merely be reckless and negligent. Actively approving them just confirms what a bigot he really is.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:37:53am

re: #161 darthstar

So there IS something hidden that they couldn’t find! I knew it! Start a new investigation! Call it Benghazi II, Electric boogaloo!

The Eleventieth Benghazi investigation will uncover all!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:38:17am

re: #158 Sir John Barron

Megan McArdle is an idiot.

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darthstar  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:38:20am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:39:13am

American markets appear to be bouncing back.

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iossarian  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:40:53am

re: #142 darthstar

Game Changer

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Flabbergasted.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:41:19am

re: #124 darthstar

Some hoaxes are funnier than others. This one is good.

What are BSE/BSE Free areas?

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Dave In Austin  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:41:30am

re: #157 The Vicious Babushka

BOOM!

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Years of butthurt…. Wasted. Wasted butthurt. A butthurt is a terrible thing to waste….

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Scout  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:41:52am

re: #169 FormerDirtDart

What are BSE/BSE Free areas?

Mad cow disease.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:41:52am

re: #169 FormerDirtDart

What are BSE/BSE Free areas?

Bovine spongiform encephalitis - mad cow disease

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iossarian  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:42:34am

Mad cow disease. Mad cow disease.

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darthstar  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:42:40am

re: #169 FormerDirtDart

What are BSE/BSE Free areas?

Mad cow disease. Not that there’s a correlation…

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:42:42am
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) condemned the decision by arguing that it jeopardizes the state’s objective “to protect innocent life.”

Hmmmm. I wonder what is “innocent life”? Were the 49 deaths in Orlando innocent life? How about those who toil in our fields and factories? Do they represent innocent lives? How about people—lives—with pre-existing medical conditions?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:42:49am

re: #172 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

mad cow disease

Why are the cows mad?

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Timothy Watson  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:43:23am

re: #169 FormerDirtDart

What are BSE/BSE Free areas?

You and me must have been the only ones that didn’t know that. :)

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:43:41am

re: #177 Timothy Watson

You and me must have been the only ones that didn’t know that. :)

I didn’t know.

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Skip Intro  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:44:14am

re: #156 The Vicious Babushka

Trump has not tweeted in almost 24 hours. Did he delete his account?

He’s been busy searching for loose change in the furniture at Trump Tower. Trying to scrape up a few bucks for ad buys this week.

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darthstar  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:44:18am

Is BSE now just a blip on history that today’s kids aren’t even aware of it? Think of the poor little prions…just looking for a home.

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Targetpractice  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:44:22am

re: #157 The Vicious Babushka

BOOM!

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New York Post already has the wingnut spin: “SHE LIED ABOUT THE VIDEO!!!”

The report says there was no “stand down” order or assets able to intervene, wingnut spin is that the military didn’t act fast enough.

My favorite bit though is how, in 4 years, we’ve gone from “THEY KNEW AN ATTACK WAS IMMINENT!!!” to “THEY KNEW AN ATTACK WAS POSSIBLE!”

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:44:35am

re: #176 I Would Prefer Not To

Why are the cows mad?

Benghazi, missing emails.

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darthstar  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:44:57am

re: #182 Sir John Barron

Benghazi, missing emails.

This.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:45:27am

re: #176 I Would Prefer Not To

Why are the cows mad?

because we feed them ground up sheep instead of grass…

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darthstar  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:45:50am

Fuck you, Walker.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:46:29am

re: #185 darthstar

Fuck you, Walker.

All about women’s health. And “innocent lives”.

/

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darthstar  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:46:50am

re: #184 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

because we feed them ground up sheep instead of grass…

We also fed them beef byproduct. Circle of life.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:47:13am

How’s summer going for everyone?

Relaxing on vacation at the beach today. Three days in DC before hand and a week here to relax.

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darthstar  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:47:40am

re: #187 darthstar

We also fed them beef byproduct. Circle of life.

That’s the same crap they fed to farm raised salmon too…which is why I no longer eat farm raised salmon.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:47:42am

re: #6 The Vicious Babushka

SO, SO BUTTHURT==>

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VB, that tweet was from last week and it concerns immigration, not abortion. And its a victory dance by Abbott, since Texas won that case.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:51:42am

re: #125 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

a little too obvious…

But, it is funny

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darthstar  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:52:13am

I wonder what they’ll talk about on Fox today?

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darthstar  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:53:44am
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Targetpractice  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:54:09am

re: #192 darthstar

I wonder what they’ll talk about on Fox today?

“The damning report from the House Select Committee was issued today, showing that Hillary Clinton lied about everything. Plus the White House was totally covering for her. This bombshell report shows what we’ve known for years: She’s a liar and totally unfit to be president.”

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:54:44am

Deleted.

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darthstar  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:56:44am

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

Bullshit. That was a report only from the Dems on the panel and designed as a whitewash. On the very day it came out, yet more Hillary Clinton emails she’d said were private got released by a federal judge as being in fact work related. That report will not convince anyone not already in Mrs. Clinton’s corner.

Bless your wingnut little ass, but you are so charming when you’re serious.

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Targetpractice  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:56:45am

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

Bullshit. That was a report only from the Dems on the panel and designed as a whitewash. On the very day it came out, yet more Hillary Clinton emails she’d said were private got released by a federal judge as being in fact work related. That report will not convince anyone not already in Mrs. Clinton’s corner.

Did you actually read the article, Dark, or are you in full kneejerk mode this morning?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:57:29am

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

Bullshit. That was a report only from the Dems on the panel and designed as a whitewash. On the very day it came out, yet more Hillary Clinton emails she’d said were private got released by a federal judge as being in fact work related. That report will not convince anyone not already in Mrs. Clinton’s corner.

Nope. It’s the Official Report.

WASHINGTON — Ending one of the longest, costliest and most bitterly partisan congressional investigations in history, the House Select Committee on Benghazi issued its final report on Tuesday, finding no new evidence of culpability or wrongdoing by Hillary Clinton in the 2012 attacks in Libya that left four Americans dead.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:57:48am

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

Bullshit. That was a report only from the Dems on the panel and designed as a whitewash. On the very day it came out, yet more Hillary Clinton emails she’d said were private got released by a federal judge as being in fact work related. That report will not convince anyone not already in Mrs. Clinton’s corner.

Not ever bothering to read the link before lying now?

Ending one of the longest, costliest and most bitterly partisan congressional investigations in history, the House Select Committee on Benghazi issued its final report on Tuesday, finding no new evidence of culpability or wrongdoing by Hillary Clinton in the 2012 attacks in Libya that left four Americans dead.

The 800-page report, however, included some new details about the night of the attacks, and the context in which it occurred, and it delivered a broad rebuke of government agencies like the Defense Department, the Central Intelligence Agency and the State Department — and the officials who led them — for failing to grasp the acute security risks in the Libyan city, and especially for maintaining outposts in Benghazi that they could not protect.

The committee, led by Representative Trey Gowdy, Republican of South Carolina, also harshly criticized an internal State Department investigation that it said had allowed officials like Mrs. Clinton, then the secretary of state, to effectively choose who would investigate their actions. In addition, it reiterated Republicans’ complaints that the Obama administration had sought to thwart the investigation by withholding witnesses and evidence.

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iossarian  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:57:53am

Show me someone who is voting for the orange fascist because of IP addresses and I will show you a big fat racist.

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darthstar  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:57:55am

re: #197 Targetpractice

Did you actually read the article, Dark, or are you in full kneejerk mode this morning?

Give him a break. He’s about to have a bad decade politically.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:58:51am

re: #180 darthstar

Is BSE now just a blip on history that today’s kids aren’t even aware of it? Think of the poor little prions…just looking for a home.

Hell, I remember the European Mad Cow breakout in spring 2001.
We were in Germany training. Had to restrict our vehicle usage off road. And, had a nightmare cleaning all our vehicles to rail-load back south to Italy.
Also remember having to step into tubs of disinfectant as we got of the planes when we returned from Kosovo later that summer.

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Jayleia  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:59:07am

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

What, like any of the past god only knows how many investigations over the past QUARTER OF A CENTURY have found anything? Except for the blue dress, of course.

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Belafon  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:59:20am

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

Bullshit. That was a report only from the Dems on the panel and designed as a whitewash. On the very day it came out, yet more Hillary Clinton emails she’d said were private got released by a federal judge as being in fact work related. That report will not convince anyone not already in Mrs. Clinton’s corner.

And the best thing about having you around is that it proves that the farce of an investigation Republicans have been conducting into Benghazi is the kind of swill you guys will eat without question.

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lawhawk  Jun 28, 2016 • 6:59:57am

re: #167 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

American markets appear to be bouncing back.

It’s people trying to pick off cheap buys; the deep breath after the plunge. Some stocks were unfairly knocked down in a market-wide selloff. This is what the markets always do after a major selloff. Investors buy on the weakness.

There’s just a whole lot of uncertainty in all this - and the EU wants a clear path ahead, and they want the UK to get right to whatever it is they’re going to do. Either go ahead with Article 50 or admit the whole thing was a sham in an attempt to extricate concessions from the EU that weren’t going to be forthcoming. Or also admit that the whole rationale for leaving was pure BS, and they weren’t going to gain anything by leaving.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:00:05am

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

Yet the report released by the Republicans is supposed to be the impetus for her going to prison. Right?

Seriously. Bugger off.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:00:28am

re: #202 FormerDirtDart

Hell, I remember the European Mad Cow breakout in spring 2001.
We were in Germany training. Had to restrict our vehicle usage off road. And, had a nightmare cleaning all our vehicles to rail-load back south to Italy.
Also remember having to step into tubs of disinfectant as we got of the planes when we returned from Kosovo later that summer.

And we quit eating any meat of unsure origin entirely (meaning only locally organic) for a long time.

Meanwhile, the British were actually eating more beef, because it was so cheap due to export restrictions…

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Timothy Watson  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:00:31am

re: #198 The Vicious Babushka

Bah, less than 30 seconds and it’s all the New York Times’ fault. (Damn JavaScript on their website wouldn’t let me select the text to copy and paste, so I had to go settings, add an exemption for their domain, and reload.)

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Belafon  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:00:47am

re: #201 darthstar

Give him a break. He’s about to have a bad decade politically.

I’ll think about it.
.
.
.
Nope.

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darthstar  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:03:01am

re: #202 FormerDirtDart

Hell, I remember the European Mad Cow breakout in spring 2001.
We were in Germany training. Had to restrict our vehicle usage off road. And, had a nightmare cleaning all our vehicles to rail-load back south to Italy.
Also remember having to step into tubs of disinfectant as we got of the planes when we returned from Kosovo later that summer.

I lived on a small road in rural West Berkshire - mostly horses around us…pig farms to the north a few miles. There was a large shallow trough across the entrance to our driveway filled with chemical-soaked straw to cleanse the wheels on our car before we entered the road.

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:03:15am

But I’m not here to fight with fellow lizards this morning, in fact I’m here to share a story you’ll enjoy, though you might have already heard about this:

Palin and Carville spar over Trump, then a 10-year-old boy steals the show

Sarah Palin called it.

Just before leaving home for Politicon 2016, a gathering of mostly left-leaning political junkies in Pasadena, the former Alaska governor posted a note on Facebook saying she was heading for “the lion’s den” “to share some reality on behalf of Americans with righteous indignation.”

There was righteous indignation, all right.

But it was mostly directed at Palin, who gave a short speech promoting Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump at noon Sunday, before sitting down in conversation at 3 p.m. with cranky liberal commentator James Carville for a Q & A.

SNIP

“The people that ostensibly have run the Republican Party are at loggerheads with the people that actually vote,” Carville said. “How do you see this getting reconciled?”

“I am not going to worry too much about reconciliation because there are more of us than them,” replied Palin, “I’ve always had to buck my party…. You just want to believe that it is going to be the will of the people that will prevail.”

Of course this was a one sided fight: Carville has weaknesses, but the Ragin’ Cajun is still more than capable of getting the better of Princess Dumbass of the North Woods.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:03:27am

re: #204 Belafon

GO TEAM!!!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:04:22am

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

Is this your new BBL strategy?

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Dark_Falcon  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:05:05am

re: #197 Targetpractice

Did you actually read the article, Dark, or are you in full kneejerk mode this morning?

The latter. I’d read CNN regarding the release of the Dem’s report yesterday and assumed this was more of the same.

I was wrong and I’m sorry.

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Targetpractice  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:05:32am

The hilarity is that the Democrat report released yesterday reaches virtually the same conclusions as the official majority report, with the exception that the latter tries to make up for its totally inability to find a smoking gun by hauling out a smoke machine and cranking it to 11.

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Skip Intro  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:06:03am

Worst economy EVER!!!

Consumer confidence hits 98 in June vs 93.7 expected

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darthstar  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:07:22am

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

Of course this was a one sided fight: Carville has weaknesses, but the Ragin’ Cajun is still more than capable of getting the better of Princess Dumbass of the North Woods.

Yawn…that’s about as entertaining as watching someone beat up a special needs child. Or watching Elizabeth Warren take Trump down verbally. Wait…those may be the same thing.

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ObserverArt  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:07:38am

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

The latter. I’d read CNN regarding the release of the Dem’s report yesterday and assumed this was more of the same.

I was wrong and I’m sorry.

Thanks for the very conservative Republican demonstration. May you learn from it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:08:23am

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

“I am not going to worry too much about reconciliation because there are more of us than them,” replied Palin, “I’ve always had to buck my party…. You just want to believe that it is going to be the will of the people that will prevail.”

The will of the majority of GOP primary voters has prevailed over their better judgement, and now they they are stuck between nominating Trump and losing or facing a rebellion from their own base voters and losing.

No wonder so many GOP notables are staying away from the convention…

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darthstar  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:08:28am

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

The latter. I’d read CNN regarding the release of the Dem’s report yesterday and assumed this was more of the same.

I was wrong and I’m sorry.

No, kneejerk is good! Look what it did for the UK.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:08:29am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:09:40am

So there’s a vote on Zika funding today. A GOP bill that also has a relaxing of EPA regulations and a decrease in funding for Planned Parenthood.

Republicans already playing it off as Dems not keeping people safe from Zika.

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darthstar  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:09:40am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:11:45am

re: #222 GlutenFreeJesus

So there’s a vote on Zika funding today. A GOP bill that also has a relaxing of EPA regulations and a decrease in funding for Planned Parenthood.

Republicans already playing it off as Dems not keeping people safe from Zika.

A necessary measure to reduce health risks from Zika would be to promote contraceptive use among women of childbearing age.

Not gonna happen with the GOP

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iossarian  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:12:51am

re: #222 GlutenFreeJesus

So there’s a vote on Zika funding today. A GOP bill that also has a relaxing of EPA regulations and a decrease in funding for Planned Parenthood.

Republicans already playing it off as Dems not keeping people safe from Zika.

So fucking dishonest and shitty. Using the threat of disease so that poor folk can be shafted with contaminated drinking water. I hope the Dems block it.

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Targetpractice  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:13:48am

re: #222 GlutenFreeJesus

So there’s a vote on Zika funding today. A GOP bill that also has a relaxing of EPA regulations and a decrease in funding for Planned Parenthood.

Republicans already playing it off as Dems not keeping people safe from Zika.

Can’t schedule a vote to address gun violence, but can schedule vote on a bill that the President has already made clear he will veto if it reaches his desk.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:14:15am

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

The latter. I’d read CNN regarding the release of the Dem’s report yesterday and assumed this was more of the same.

You’re still in error. This is not a Democrat report: it’s a report released by the committee as a whole. The committee led by Trey Gowdy.

It’s almost like you’re conditioned.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:14:21am

re: #210 darthstar

I lived on a small road in rural West Berkshire - mostly horses around us…pig farms to the north a few miles. There was a large shallow trough across the entrance to our driveway filled with chemical-soaked straw to cleanse the wheels on our car before we entered the road.

We were scheduled to train in the Maneuver Rights Area (MRA) between Weiden and the Czech Republic border. Were instructed we would need to restrict our operations to paved roads. Which was pretty ludicrous for a battalion of Paratroopers…

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Timothy Watson  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:15:57am

re: #227 SoundGuy 2016

You’re still in error. This is not a Democrat report: it’s a report released by the committee as a whole. The committee led by Trey Gowdy.

It’s almost like you’re conditioned.

There was a minority report released yesterday.

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darthstar  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:18:10am
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darthstar  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:19:28am

re: #229 Timothy Watson

There was a minority report released yesterday.

That explains Tom Cruise parked outside my house.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:19:54am

What’s Trump up to here?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:23:06am

re: #232 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

What’s Trump up to here?

Remember the blowup when somebody sold a Hillary T-shirt to a foreign national?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:25:31am

re: #233 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Remember the blowup when somebody sold a Hillary T-shirt to a foreign national?

Oh I know. It immediately disqualified HRC as a candidate. //

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Timothy Watson  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:26:02am

re: #232 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

What’s Trump up to here?

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Unpossible, Alito assured us that no foreigners would be donating to politician candidates.

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lawhawk  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:26:51am
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darthstar  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:27:09am

Yay Florida!

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Jayleia  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:27:24am

re: #234 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Wasn’t that like the 8760th time she was disqualified as a candidate and/or a felon?

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Targetpractice  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:27:41am

re: #237 darthstar

Yay Florida!

[Embedded content]

A new Republican voter is born.

//(I’m goin’ to Hell)

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:28:30am

re: #229 Timothy Watson

There was a minority report released yesterday.

Yes, they released on Monday. Full committee released today.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:28:31am

re: #235 Timothy Watson

Unpossible, Alito assured us that no foreigners would be donating to politician candidates.

He might truly be unaware that what he is doing is not legal…he is that clueless when it comes to anything outside business.

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lawhawk  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:28:57am

re: #223 darthstar

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darthstar  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:29:13am

re: #239 Targetpractice

A new Republican voter is born.

//(I’m goin’ to Hell)

Someone has to stoke the fire.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:29:16am

re: #238 Jayleia

Wasn’t that like the 8760th time she was disqualified as a candidate and/or a felon?

At least.

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Targetpractice  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:29:23am

re: #236 lawhawk

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As the minority report noted yesterday, the generals and SecDef on the ball that night said virtually the same thing: You don’t commit assets until you have a clear picture of what is going on. So the “conclusion” that the military didn’t move fast enough is utter bullshit to anybody who actually has more understanding of the way a military operates than what they saw in a Michael Bay film.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:29:55am

re: #239 Targetpractice

A new Republican voter is born.

//(I’m goin’ to Hell)

Please.

Republican voters do so by choice.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:31:01am

re: #245 Targetpractice

So the “conclusion” that the military didn’t move fast enough is utter bullshit to anybody who actually has more understanding of the way a military operates than what they saw in a Michael Bay film.

That film should have been admitted as testimony!!!

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lawhawk  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:31:11am

re: #237 darthstar

We had a woman give birth to a Zika-afflicted microcephalic baby here in NJ, and I think there were a couple in NY too. Just the beginning of a long and difficult time for those families, and the GOP still wants to push through their larded up bill that has all manner of poison pills so they can get Democrats to vote no on Zika funding, instead of handing up a clean bill.

Assholes.

They don’t care about life. They aren’t pro-life.

Not by any stretch, not when the GOP does everything to undermine the general welfare of those who are already born.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:31:32am

Hillary Clinton is the most Qualified Disqualified candidate ever since Noah’s Ark.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:32:02am
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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:32:17am

It’s going to be a long hot summer.

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Targetpractice  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:33:33am

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

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No doubt the President is to blame…somehow.

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darthstar  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:36:25am
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lawhawk  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:41:39am

re: #245 Targetpractice

As the minority report noted yesterday, the generals and SecDef on the ball that night said virtually the same thing: You don’t commit assets until you have a clear picture of what is going on. So the “conclusion” that the military didn’t move fast enough is utter bullshit to anybody who actually has more understanding of the way a military operates than what they saw in a Michael Bay film.

Even if an order was cut, there were no assets that could be moved that could reach Benghazi until many hours after the incident already concluded.

Obama changed that with creating the rapid reaction force, so that they could get there quicker (which still might not be fast enough because the reaction force is located in Spain).

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:43:15am

Today is the 47th anniversary of the Stonewall Riots.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:44:12am
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Targetpractice  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:45:15am

re: #254 lawhawk

Even if an order was cut, there were no assets that could be moved that could reach Benghazi until many hours after the incident already concluded.

Obama changed that with creating the rapid reaction force, so that they could get there quicker (which still might not be fast enough because the reaction force is located in Spain).

Apparently Gowdy’s report is trying to revive the wingnut talking point that Benghazi was the only diplomatic mission in the entirety of the world that was under threat of attack on September 11th. That the DoD should have been prepared for that attack, had assets ready to go, and said assets not being in motion until after the attack had begun is somehow a black mark against them.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:46:18am

On June 28, 1970, the first Gay Pride marches took place in New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco[7] and Chicago commemorating the anniversary of the riots. Similar marches were organized in other cities. Today, Gay Pride events are held annually throughout the world toward the end of June to mark the Stonewall riots.[8]
The Stonewall National Monument was established at the site in 2016.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:47:33am

NASA is getting ready to test the boost engine that would be used in a mission to Mars.

nasa.gov

Scheduled for 11:05 ET

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bratwurst  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:49:02am

If only the GOP had been 1% as enthusiastic about the 9/11 Commission.

I guess we would’ve had to have changed the s in Osama to b for that to happen.

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Jenner7  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:50:17am

Yeah, twitter is awfully quiet this morning.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:50:17am
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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:51:10am
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Testy Toad T  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:52:07am

The morning’s useless political anecdotal datapoint: on the way into work this morning, I was listening to a relatively generic medium-city popular music station, and they were chatting about how the Chinese have banned Lady Gaga for meeting with the Dalai Lama. And throughout the quick snippet, one of the hosts kept saying “Chyyyyna”, giggling, and then saying he just can’t get Trump’s pronunciation out of his head. I don’t remember the exact wording, but between that and his delivery it was most clearly not complementary.

He’s something to tease and mock, politically toxic in a way that even a mealy-mouthed white-bread radio station host whose first job is to Do No (Advertising) Harm feels perfectly comfortable making fun of the guy.

I dunno how strong that signal is, but it’s a positive one.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:52:28am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:54:57am
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Targetpractice  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:55:24am

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s the smile hidden behind the hand that makes the image.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:56:39am

That derailment in Texas was apparently a result of two freight trains colliding.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:56:57am

Local newspaper epic fail:

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:56:57am

re: #264 Testy Toad T

The morning’s useless political anecdotal datapoint: on the way into work this morning, I was listening to a relatively generic medium-city popular music station, and they were chatting about how the Chinese have banned Lady Gaga for meeting with the Dalai Lama. And throughout the quick snippet, one of the hosts kept saying “Chyyyyna”, giggling, and then saying he just can’t get Trump’s pronunciation out of his head. I don’t remember the exact wording, but between that and his delivery it was most clearly not complementary.

He’s something to tease and mock, politically toxic in a way that even a mealy-mouthed white-bread radio station host whose first job is to Do No (Advertising) Harm feels perfectly comfortable making fun of the guy.

I dunno how strong that signal is, but it’s a positive one.

In fact, China has not banned Lady Gaga — yet. But they have forced Selena Gomez, Maroon 5 and others who have met with the Dalai Lama, or been sympathetic to him, to cancel their concerts on the mainland.

Gaga is one of the most popular performers in China, so canceling her dates might make some people upset.

Also, anyone who seemingly supports the independence of Taiwan has had their shows canceled — most recently a children’s choir from Taiwan, who sang at President Tsai’s inauguration.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:58:27am

So Gowdy’s asked if Clinton lied, he won’t give a straight answer. All he will say is read the report and make your own conclusion…

Pinheaded Partisan Turd

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:59:22am

re: #259 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

NASA is getting ready to test the boost engine that would be used in a mission to Mars.

nasa.gov

Scheduled for 11:05 ET

NASA TV on UStream
I like to use their popout viewer mode

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iossarian  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:00:53am

Is anyone that politically illiterate that they don’t get the difference between:

a) Zika funding

b) Zika funding + paint stripper in your water + no health clinics for the poors

?

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Targetpractice  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:01:13am

In other news involving a reprehensible scumbag:

I’m not sure there’s a single shred of good faith left for Sanders to trade upon.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:04:58am

re: #274 Targetpractice

In other news involving a reprehensible scumbag:

I’m not sure there’s a single shred of good faith left for Sanders to trade upon.

Reprehensible scumbag or doddering old fool whose campaign apparatus beneath him is completely outside of his control or even understanding.

I do not know and really no longer care which is the case. Old man yells at cloud, etc.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:04:59am

re: #273 iossarian

Is anyone that politically illiterate that they don’t get the difference between:

a) Zika funding

b) Zika funding + paint stripper in your water + no health clinics for the poors

?

What do you have against paint stripper in your water?

////

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:06:04am

re: #276 Sir John Barron

What do you have against paint stripper in your water?

////

Why would you want to paint a stripper?

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Targetpractice  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:06:33am

re: #275 Testy Toad T

Reprehensible scumbag or doddering old fool whose campaign apparatus beneath him is completely outside of his control or even understanding.

I do not know and really no longer care which is the case. Old man yells at cloud, etc.

Every indication is that the shit rolls downhill in the Sanders campaign. If the low-level grunts are pulling this shit, it’s either because they have approval from on-high or they think that Sanders would approve.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:08:18am

I’m definitely feeling the BernOut now. There was a time I could say I supported him and wanted him in the campaign. The BLM conflict was the first sign of trouble and he never recovered.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:08:57am

heh
USA Today earlier reported McCarthy’s death, then:

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:09:03am
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gwangung  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:09:30am
re: #279 SoundGuy 2016

I’m definitely feeling the BernOut now. There was a time I could say I supported him and wanted him in the campaign. The BLM conflict was the first sign of trouble and he never recovered.

It was consistently “own goal” mistakes that disillusioned me with the Sanders campaign. An adept leader would have handled that. Sanders did not.

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Jay C  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:09:53am

re: #232 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

What’s Trump up to here?

[Embedded content]

Well, on the “Evil v Stupid” continuum, I’d go with “Stupid” on this one: probably some low-level keyboard monkey in the campaign collecting emails for fundraising got a list from someone in the UK England, and patched it right it: unaware that foreigners can’t contribute. Clueless buffoonery, but then, look at the example The Donald sets for his peeps…….

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Testy Toad T  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:10:01am

re: #278 Targetpractice

Every indication is that the shit rolls downhill in the Sanders campaign. If the low-level grunts are pulling this shit, it’s either because they have approval from on-high or they think that Sanders would approve.

Oh, it’s definitely coming from high up, from Sanders or a hire Sanders made directly.

I still think it’s Weaver, who Sanders only hired out of friendship, but the awesome thing is it doesn’t really matter because they’re both bordering on irrelevant.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:10:05am

re: #279 SoundGuy 2016

I’m definitely feeling the BernOut now. There was a time I could say I supported him and wanted him in the campaign. The BLM conflict was the first sign of trouble and he never recovered.

That was the beginning of the end for me too.

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Jay C  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:10:59am

re: #277 I Would Prefer Not To

Why would you want to paint a stripper?

Worked for Goldfinger.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:12:20am

re: #282 gwangung

It was consistently “own goal” mistakes that disillusioned me with the Sanders campaign. An adept leader would have handled that. Sanders did not.

At no point did Senator Sanders ever display anything that made me think he had real leadership potential. That and his single-issue nature were just do-not-pass-go problems for me. I voted for Sanders back when it appeared that he’d definitely lose but his presence was a beneficial one (in the shut-up-about-the-damn-emails era), but he was never, ever my preference.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:12:57am

re: #284 Testy Toad T

Oh, it’s definitely coming from high up, from Sanders or a hire Sanders made directly.

I still think it’s Weaver, who Sanders only hired out of friendship, but the awesome thing is it doesn’t really matter because they’re both bordering on irrelevant.

I was totally wrong about Bernie’s character. I thought even if he was a bit puritanical in his ideology that he had some integrity to him.

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darthstar  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:13:04am

They seem like nice people. I’m sure they’ll be welcome in Cleveland. Going to the convention does, however require informing your PO that you’re leaving the county.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:13:54am

re: #283 Jay C

Well, on the “Evil v Stupid” continuum, I’d go with “Stupid” on this one: probably some low-level keyboard monkey in the campaign collecting emails for fundraising got a list from someone in the UK England, and patched it right it: unaware that foreigners can’t contribute. Clueless buffoonery, but then, look at the example The Donald sets for his peeps…….

I’m going to agree with you, but I suspect Trump signed off on it, considering he tried to make his Scotland visit kind of a campaign stop. Trump seems very unclear about what office he’s running for exactly.

Someone tweeted that some MPs in Australia also received similar emails.

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nines09  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:16:31am

re: #273 iossarian

Is anyone that politically illiterate that they don’t get the difference between:

a) Zika funding

b) Zika funding + paint stripper in your water + no health clinics for the poors

?

Oh you bet there are. Just the Fox News viewers for one. Then you walk further into the sewer……

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Lidane  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:17:51am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:19:53am

Trump lawyer accuses Clinton of murder in tweet

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:20:19am
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Belafon  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:21:53am

re: #290 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’m going to agree with you, but I suspect Trump signed off on it, considering he tried to make his Scotland visit kind of a campaign stop. Trump seems very unclear about what office he’s running for exactly.

Someone tweeted that some MPs in Australia also received similar emails.

He did want other countries to pay for our protection. Maybe he just wants to start early.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:22:55am

re: #296 Belafon

He did want other countries to pay for our protection. Maybe he just wants to start early.

“Consider it a down payment.”

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SoundGuy 2016  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:23:12am

re: #289 darthstar

One can only wish the nationalist cretins invade Cleveland.

Be still my heart!

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ObserverArt  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:25:05am

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

That derailment in Texas was apparently a result of two freight trains colliding.

After seeing the image above, that makes sense. That is a big stack of train cars.

Amazing how much stuff happens in Texas. Why, it is almost as if there are no controls on anything in that state.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:25:47am

re: #298 SoundGuy 2016

One can only wish the nationalist cretins invade Cleveland.

Be still my heart!

The Monster Who Devoured Cleveland was one of Maynard G. Krebs’ favorite movies, as I recall.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:27:59am
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Testy Toad T  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:29:16am

re: #290 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’m going to agree with you, but I suspect Trump signed off on it, considering he tried to make his Scotland visit kind of a campaign stop. Trump seems very unclear about what office he’s running for exactly.

Someone tweeted that some MPs in Australia also received similar emails.

TPM ran an interesting feature the other day on the implications of this campaign on Trump’s taxes. I am having trouble finding the link, but basically Trump has to spend a certain amount of his time engaged in real estate work, as in actual hours per week, to count as (IIRC) a “real estate professional”. If this is his quote-unquote “real job”, he is exempt from some forms of capital gains tax that he would otherwise have to pay as a generic speculator.

He literally cannot campaign more than about 50% of his time unless he wants to pay a shit-ton more taxes. This won’t and can’t change — he will never run a full-time campaign the way we’re used to seeing.

EDIT: I lied, it ran on the Great Orange Satan
dailykos.com

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lawhawk  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:30:40am

“No,” Donohue said on CNN’s “New Day” Tuesday when asked if he would apologize. “As a matter of fact, I want an apology from gays. I’ve been assaulted by gays. I’ve never assaulted a gay person in my entire life.”

Donohue then insisted that the media twisted Pope Francis’ words.

The pope over the weekend was asked if he feels the Catholic church owes an apology to gay people. Pope Francis said that gay people can be denounced for behaviors that are “a bit offensive for others.”

But he added, “I think the church must not only apologize … to a gay person it offended, but we must apologize to the poor, to women who have been exploited, to children forced into labor, apologize for having blessed so many weapons.”

Donohue noted that Pope Francis also said, “The church must say it is sorry for not having behaved as it should many times, many times — when I say ‘the church,’ I mean we Christians, because the church is holy; we are the sinners.”

Donohue argued that the Pope did not call on the Catholic church to apologize, but individual Christians who have offended gay people.

Apparently, the Pope isn’t Catholic or something… And bigots want to preserve their rights to be bigoted.

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ObserverArt  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:31:05am

re: #282 gwangung

It was consistently “own goal” mistakes that disillusioned me with the Sanders campaign. An adept leader would have handled that. Sanders did not.

With some of the revelations lately I am now wondering a bit more about that data breach at the DNC some time ago. The Sanders folks claimed they just happen to discover they could get into the Clinton data…but they didn’t use any of it.

Hmmmm.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:31:23am

re: #302 Testy Toad T

TPM ran an interesting feature the other day on the implications of this campaign on Trump’s taxes. I am having trouble finding the link, but basically Trump has to spend a certain amount of his time engaged in real estate work, as in actual hours per week, to count as (IIRC) a “real estate professional”. If this is his quote-unquote “real job”, he is exempt from some forms of capital gains tax that he would otherwise have to pay as a generic speculator.

He literally cannot campaign more than about 50% of his time unless he wants to pay a shit-ton more taxes. This won’t and can’t change — he will never run a full-time campaign the way we’re used to seeing.

I wonder if his time spent in court counts. /

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:33:55am

OK. Bed time for Bonzo here. See you fellow apes later.

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Lidane  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:35:01am
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Alephnaught  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:41:04am
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KGxvi  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:42:09am

re: #175 Sir John Barron

Hmmmm. I wonder what is “innocent life”? Were the 49 deaths in Orlando innocent life? How about those who toil in our fields and factories? Do they represent innocent lives? How about people—lives—with pre-existing medical conditions?

Abbott converted to Catholicism, which means he’s probably one of those “more Catholic than the Pope (all of them, Katie)” Catholics, and from a theological point of view, everyone is born with original sin - so technically, the only innocent life is that life that exists between conception and birth.

(This might be one of those days when I should probably stay off the internet because I’m feeling particularly assholish)

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iossarian  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:43:35am

re: #295 Backwoods_Sleuth

This, BTW, is one of the major reasons that people outside London voted to leave the EU: they know London wants to stay in and this is a way of sticking it to them. And now their suspicions are confirmed (again): London does not give a shit about the rest of the country.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:44:38am

re: #309 KGxvi

Abbott converted to Catholicism, which means he’s probably one of those “more Catholic than the Pope (all of them, Katie)” Catholics, and from a theological point of view, everyone is born with original sin - so technically, the only innocent life is that life that exists between conception and birth.

(This might be one of those days when I should probably stay off the internet because I’m feeling particularly assholish)

No zealot like a convert?

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:44:42am
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Belafon  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:46:41am

re: #299 ObserverArt

After seeing the image above, that makes sense. That is a big stack of train cars.

Amazing how much stuff happens in Texas. Why, it is almost as if there are no controls on anything in that state.

To be fair, we are a large state with a large population and in the middle of the country (meaning lots of things pass through) so there’s a good chance that something will happen. Not that what happened in West was caused by anything other than bad regulations. But I suspect the train derailment could have happened as easily a little further east or west which would have put it out of state.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:48:02am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:50:20am

re: #303 lawhawk

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Apparently, the Pope isn’t Catholic or something… And bigots want to preserve their rights to be bigoted.

Donohue shits in the woods—that much I’m sure of.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:50:45am

re: #313 Belafon

To be fair, we are a large state with a large population and in the middle of the country (meaning lots of things pass through) so there’s a good chance that something will happen. Not that what happened in West was caused by anything other than bad regulations. But I suspect the train derailment could have happened as easily a little further east or west which would have put it out of state.

Or in Quebec.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:52:51am

Senate Democrats on Tuesday blocked a $1.1 billion Zika virus funding package because they contend it does not provide enough spending and includes politically motivated language aimed at Planned Parenthood and environmental regulations.

Senate Republicans said the failure to advance the legislation would mean that Congress will likely be unable to address the threat posed by Zika for weeks because of the upcoming congressional recess.

The vote was 52 to 48 and 60 votes were needed to advance the legislation.

The debate before and after the vote grew heated with both sides charging the other would be responsible if money isn’t approved and the virus, which causes birth defects, begins to spread in the United States over the summer.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) charged Democrats were quibbling over minor provisions and standing in the way of spending that could help avert a public health crisis.

“There is no reason Democrats should reverse course now and block funding for Zika control in the midst of mosquito season,” McConnell said, noting the final legislation contains the same amount of funding as an earlier bipartisan Senate agreement. “There’s no reason they should put partisan politics above the health of pregnant women and babies.”

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) shot back that GOP leaders were catering the extreme wing of their party by including language in the package that would put restrictions on how the funding could be used by Planned Parenthood and by offsetting the cost of the legislation through spending cuts to the Affordable Care Act and funds set aside to prepare for a possible outbreak of the Ebola virus.

“Republicans are pushing a conference report that is nothing more than a goodie bag for the fringes of the Republican party,” he said.

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BeachDem  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:53:46am

re: #290 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’m going to agree with you, but I suspect Trump signed off on it, considering he tried to make his Scotland visit kind of a campaign stop. Trump seems very unclear about what office he’s running for exactly.

Someone tweeted that some MPs in Australia also received similar emails.

Also, Dem reps in US

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Belafon  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:54:51am

I got in trouble at Daily Kos for trying to call Texas Bernie supporters idiots. In response to this:

Texas supporters of Bernie Sanders are more reluctant to support Hillary Clinton than Ted Cruz supporters are to support Donald Trump, according to a new poll released Monday.

The University of Texas / Texas Politics Project poll found that Texas voters who supported Cruz’s presidential campaign are more likely to support Trump than Sanders supporters are to support Clinton. Nearly 70 percent of Cruz voters are ready to vote for Trump, but just 40 percent of Sanders supporters are ready to vote for the former secretary of state. [….]

The poll also found that Trump is leading Clinton in Texas by a margin similar to that Mitt Romney had over Barack Obama in Texas in 2012.

“Donald Trump has in the neighborhood of what we would expect the Republican to have in the June before the election,” Henson said. [….]

I wrote:

Being a white male here in Texas, all I have to say is to all of the Berners here is they are idiots if they think Trump is an alternative to Clinton. Actually, I know exactly what those Bernie supporters are: White men who feel no need to give a shit about anyone but themselves. Even in Texas, I consider anyone who wants to protest vote an idiot.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:56:41am

Video embedded in tweet below, 2 minutes,

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:57:04am

re: #314 FormerDirtDart

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I looked at Sarah Quinlan’s twitter feed. It’s just a long stream of people who are firmly convinced that HRC should go to jail and Pres. Obama should have been impeached. The Gowdy committee essentially achieved their goal of casting the narrative and nailing it down. Anything else will be seen as “revisionism.”

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KGxvi  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:59:39am

re: #318 BeachDem

Also, Dem reps in US

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So are we at the tragedy, comedy, or farce stage of this campaign?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2016 • 8:59:43am

re: #309 KGxvi

Abbott converted to Catholicism, which means he’s probably one of those “more Catholic than the Pope (all of them, Katie)” Catholics, and from a theological point of view, everyone is born with original sin - so technically, the only innocent life is that life that exists between conception and birth.

(This might be one of those days when I should probably stay off the internet because I’m feeling particularly assholish)

It appears that by “innocent lives”, wingnuts mean the unborn and the 4 Americans killed in Benghazi.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:03:31am

re: #180 darthstar

Is BSE now just a blip on history that today’s kids aren’t even aware of it? Think of the poor little prions…just looking for a home.

One minor benefit of the disease: It pretty well eradicated the disgusting practice of eating raw beef. Besides the beef pate of alleged haute cuisine, there was a more proletarian fad in the 50s for what was called the “cannibal sandwich,” raw hamburger on bread. In Texas at one time, it was a popular macho stunt for yokels to order steaks “extra-extra lean,” essentially raw with slight scorching on one side. This behavior seemed to be most common among the same yahoos who would ostentatiously consume “mountain oysters” and oysters-on-the-half- shell. Fortunately, I never heard of them trying mountain-oysters-on-the-half-shell, so I guess there is a limit to everything.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:05:16am

re: #314 FormerDirtDart

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Jenner7  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:06:50am

re: #325 GlutenFreeJesus

Kevin McCarthy Admits Benghazi Committee Formed to Beat Hillary Clinton

So is this.

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nines09  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:08:29am

re: #320 FormerDirtDart

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I was just going to post that. It’s a Donald Trump supporters wet dream. It’s their vision. With guns.

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blueraven  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:10:55am

re: #326 Jenner7

Not political /

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:12:02am

Gowdy wanted a narrative that deaths at embassies and consulates was unique to the Obama presidency. He also wanted you to forget his party voted to cut funding for security to those embassies and consulates.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:12:59am

re: #328 blueraven

Not political /

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I imagine the families are sick of their dead family being used to pursue a cynical political attack.

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ObserverArt  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:13:41am

re: #320 FormerDirtDart

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I have a feeling that behavior like that is moments away here in the U.S. of A.

Too much anger and too many people talking crap that incites people. Who knows, the political conventions or the election results could trigger many public displays of people losing it and acting out.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:15:12am

Reince never disappoints:

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blueraven  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:15:22am

There is really nothing new in this report.

Benghazi was a security failure and bureaucratic nightmare. This was already known. Recommendations were made and acted upon to fix issues.

The rest is politics.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:16:57am

re: #332 Backwoods_Sleuth

Reince never disappoints:

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Says the guy whose party is pushing Trump. Talk to Brent Scowcroft, Reince, he knows more about national security then you or your nominee does.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:18:05am

I don’t really begrudge Reince for doing his job. I pity the fool.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:18:08am

re: #333 blueraven

There is really nothing new in this report.

Benghazi was a security failure and bureaucratic nightmare. This was already known. Recommendations were made and acted upon to fix issues.

The rest is politics.

If an ambassador hadn’t died, it’s just another attack, not to diminish Stevens’ death but the fact an ambassador died made it easier for the Republicans to milk this cow.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:20:02am

re: #336 HappyWarrior

If an ambassador hadn’t died, it’s just another attack, not to diminish Stevens’ death but the fact an ambassador died made it easier for the Republicans to milk this cow.

On the contrary, I rather doubt the people for whom this event resonates really even know what an ambassador is.

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Skip Intro  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:20:19am

re: #289 darthstar

They seem like nice people. I’m sure they’ll be welcome in Cleveland. Going to the convention does, however require informing your PO that you’re leaving the county.

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All the best people are going to be there.

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ObserverArt  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:21:06am

re: #336 HappyWarrior

If an ambassador hadn’t died, it’s just another attack, not to diminish Stevens’ death but the fact an ambassador died made it easier for the Republicans to milk this cow.

The fact that too many people wanted to hate on Obama and buy into the 25 year campaign of sludge dumped on the Clintons also made it easy for Republicans to milk the Benghazi cow.

The Republicans had a ready-made audience.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:22:05am

re: #337 Testy Toad T

On the contrary, I rather doubt the people for whom this event resonates really even know what an ambassador is.

Agree to disagree but I think that’s what allows this to be exploited. It happening on 9/11’s 11th anniversary too.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:22:31am

re: #339 ObserverArt

The fact that too many people wanted to hate on Obama and buy into the 25 year campaign of sludge dumped on the Clintons also made it easy for Republicans to milk the Benghazi cow.

The Republicans had a ready-made audience.

Yeah there’s that too.

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lawhawk  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:23:18am

Reading a report that ends up saying the same thing as the other 7 reports? Summaries that say the same thing?

GOP hacks that led this investigation that can’t openly admit that they found no wrongdoing by the Administration, but have to leave it up to the reader to decide? That’s flat out politicization and admission against interest that all this was a witch hunt to ding Clinton’s presidential chances.

But the GOP found nothing. Not a damn thing. So they say go ahead and read the report.

That found the same exact things as the previous seven inquiries.

Edit: And as a reminder:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:25:06am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:26:07am

re: #332 Backwoods_Sleuth

Reince never disappoints:

Reince is lame. Sad!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:26:55am

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Only the GOP.

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Franklin  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:27:05am

re: #342 lawhawk

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Reading a report that ends up saying the same thing as the other 7 reports? Summaries that say the same thing?

GOP hacks that led this investigation that can’t openly admit that they found no wrongdoing by the Administration, but have to leave it up to the reader to decide? That’s flat out politicization and admission against interest that all this was a witch hunt to ding Clinton’s presidential chances.

But the GOP found nothing. Not a damn thing. So they say go ahead and read the report.

That found the same exact things as the previous seven inquiries.

Tell her you are currently watching the Transformers documentary and will move on to 13 Hours when that is done.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:27:55am

Washington (CNN)Over the dissent of three conservative justices who expressed concern for the future of religious liberty claims, the Supreme Court on Tuesday declined to take up a case brought by the owner of a pharmacy and two pharmacists who objected to delivering emergency contraceptives such as Plan B.
The plaintiffs in the case, the Stormans family, sought to challenge Washington State regulation mandating that a pharmacy may not “refuse to deliver a drug or device to a patient because its owner objects to delivery on religious, moral or other personal grounds.”

Kennedy’s swings, Scalia’s death define volatile Supreme Court term
The Stormans are devout Christians and own a pharmacy in Olympia, Washington.
A federal appeals court held that the Washington regulations did not violate the First Amendment.

Justice Samuel Alito, joined by Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Clarence Thomas, wrote separately to object to the fact that the Court declined to take up the Stormans’ challenge indicating that the court is still closely divided on religious liberty issues.

“This case is an ominous sign,” Alito wrote. He said that the state regulations were likely to make a pharmacist “unemployable” if he or she objects on religious grounds to “dispensing certain prescription medications.”
“This court does not deem this case worthy or our time,” Alito continued. “If this is a sign of how religious liberty claims will be treated in the years ahead, those who value religious freedom have cause for great concern,” he said.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:28:23am

READ ALL 800 PAGES!!!1!!!! is the new WATCH ALL ELEVENTY HUNDRED HOURS OF THE PLANNED PARENTHOOD VIDEOS!!!1!!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:29:18am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:30:13am

re: #332 Backwoods_Sleuth

[George W Bush] was in charge, knew the risks, & did nothing. The report makes clear we can’t afford to let [Bush] be commander-in-chief
— Reince Priebus

I don’t want to hate on George W. I actually don’t blame him for the real 9/11. And most Democrats don’t either, if for no reason other than the desire to be united as Americans. But the GOP’s only interest is its own power.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:30:28am

re: #347 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If you don’t believe in certain drugs that are legal for prescription, don’t be a pharmacist, no one is forcing you to be one. Simple too bad Scalito doesn’t get that. Would Alito approve of an anti gun clerk denying a permit to a law abiding citizen?

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gocart mozart  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:32:39am

re: #269 Timothy Watson

Local newspaper epic fail:

It’s not a fail when it proceeds exactly according to plan.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:33:07am

re: #347 Backwoods_Sleuth

Washington (CNN)Over the dissent of three conservative justices who expressed concern for the future of religious liberty claims

Oh, so women’s access to abortion can be restricted by any means but those who cry “religious liberty” cannot be burdened or asked to make reasonable accommodations to those they serve.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:34:22am

Alito needs better clerks or an attitude adjustment.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:34:35am

re: #348 The Vicious Babushka

READ ALL 800 PAGES!!!1!!!! is the new WATCH ALL ELEVENTY HUNDRED HOURS OF THE PLANNED PARENTHOOD VIDEOS!!!1!!!!

oh yes, I’m going to read 800 pages of a partisan “report”.

/

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:35:12am

re: #354 HappyWarrior

Alito needs better clerks or an attitude adjustment.

he doesn’t really sound happy on the court. maybe he’d like to make a career change.

/

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gocart mozart  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:36:17am

Let us not buy into the right wing meme that Obama was not a constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago but merely a guest lecturer. A good rule of thumb is that if a conservative is saying something, it will be dishonest.

Law School statement: The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as “Senior Lecturer.” From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School’s Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.

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blueraven  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:36:41am

It is just shameful, this witch hunt by the republicans. Yes, 4 died and Gowdy claims this committee was to answer questions for their families.

Really? That is such bullshit.

Sad that four people died, but what of the thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who died in the Iraq war?

That was a colossal failure and nobody seems to give a fuck.

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Skip Intro  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:37:43am

re: #347 Backwoods_Sleuth

“This case is an ominous sign,” Alito wrote. He said that the state regulations were likely to make a jurist “unemployable” if he or she objects on religious grounds to “dispensing justice on certain godless litigants.”

How’s that one sound Sam?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:38:16am

re: #357 gocart mozart

Let us not buy into the right wing meme that Obama was not a constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago but merely a guest lecturer. A good rule of thumb is that if a conservative is saying something, it will be dishonest.

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Right. Definitely a professor and not a guest lecturer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:39:28am
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KGxvi  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:39:29am

re: #347 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I am so fucking sick of these religious liberty cases. We need a very broad definition of public accommodation to shut this shit down. And make it very simple: any business open to the public is a public accommodation. You do not have a right to infringe on the rights of others.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:39:40am

re: #350 Sir John Barron

I don’t want to hate on George W. I actually don’t blame him for the real 9/11. And most Democrats don’t either, if for no reason other than the desire to be united as Americans. But the GOP’s only interest is its own power.

“Blame” is a tricky word. I think he probably had the opportunity to prevent it, and I think a lot of presidents would have done a better job of trying to prevent it than he did, but neither do I expect a 100% grade in the job of POTUS, because it is impossible to put that much on one person and expect perfection.

I think “failed to prevent” is a fair accusation/condemnation for George W Bush, and it is plenty strong enough in its own right. The people I blame for the WTC and Pentagon attacks are the 20-odd people who carried them out, the people back in Saudi Arabia who funded them, and the people back in Afghanistan who planned them.

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Skip Intro  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:41:44am

re: #357 gocart mozart

Did that sneaky Obama find a way to run for president again? If not, why don’t we start talking about someone who is.

Has anybody seen Trump’s grades from Wharton? Has anyone seen any evidence that he graduated at the top of his class? The only source for this mis-information is Trump. Might be worth checking out.

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Franklin  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:41:53am

Just another reason to tell folks that voting matters. 2010 gave the Republicans control of the house and committee assignments and representation are, as we all know, divvied accordingly.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:42:58am

re: #364 Skip Intro

Did that sneaky Obama find a way to run for president again? If not, why don’t we start talking about someone who is.

Has anybody seen Trump’s grades from Wharton? Has anyone seen any evidence that he graduated at the top of his class? The only source for this mis-information is Trump. Might be worth checking out.

Hurr hurr nobody vetted Obama he’s a dictator wants to rule for Life!!!1111

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Franklin  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:43:12am

re: #365 Franklin

Just another reason to tell folks that voting matters. 2010 gave the Republicans control of the house and committee assignments and representation are, as we all know, divvied accordingly.

That is to say, if you want the adults to be in control of the committee’s, then get off your lazy ass and vote!

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Timothy Watson  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:43:36am

re: #364 Skip Intro

Did that sneaky Obama find a way to run for president again? If not, why don’t we start talking about someone who is.

Has anybody seen Trump’s grades from Wharton? Has anyone seen any evidence that he graduated at the top of his class? The only source for this mis-information is Trump. Might be worth checking out.

We have evidence that he wasn’t at the top of the class. Someone had a copy of the graduation program that listed anyone with cum laude honors and his name wasn’t on it.

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KGxvi  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:44:35am

re: #367 Franklin

That is to say, if you want the adults to be in control of the committee’s, then get off your lazy ass and vote!

i tried that once, my guy didn’t win, so the system is obviously rigged and there’s not a dime’s worth of difference…

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Testy Toad T  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:45:29am

re: #368 Timothy Watson

We have evidence that he wasn’t at the top of the class. Someone had a copy of the graduation program that listed anyone with cum laude honors and his name wasn’t on it.

The Donald was on his very own page. Printed in gold ink on the stiffest, brightest white paper. Most Biggest Laude, people, believe me, they couldn’t even fit me on the cum laude page, they wanted to make my name so big!

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Alephnaught  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:47:05am

Jeremy Corbyn vows to go on despite losing vote of confidence to MPs. Technically, has can do this under Labour party rules. It does smack of desperation though. How can he lead as leader of the opposition in Westminster?

gu.com

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lawhawk  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:47:07am

Not good - not good at all. And that’ll only add to global woes with Venezuela being a major oil producer as well.

So, of course, the right wingers are saying this is the logical outcome of socialist policies - tyranny.

Last time I checked, right wingers also have a thing for authoritarianism and tyranny too. It’s one of the themes of both extreme right and left wing movements. Dictatorships, tyranny, and autocrats can come in fascist or socialist flavors.

Venezuela is the socialist flavor.
Trump is the fascist flavor.
UKIP is the right wing flavor.

/because both sides do it…

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blueraven  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:48:34am

RIP Pat Summit.

Frightening that she died from complications of Alzheimer’s disease at age 64.

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gocart mozart  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:50:49am
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Testy Toad T  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:51:21am

re: #373 blueraven

RIP Pat Summit.

Frightening that she died from complications of Alzheimer’s disease at age 64.

Frightening but merciful, considering she was coaching as recently as 2012. I wouldn’t want my body to carry on without my mind.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:54:11am

re: #324 Shiplord Kirel

One minor benefit of the disease: It pretty well eradicated the disgusting practice of eating raw beef.

Pretty sure that many people everywhere are still consuming raw beef. Cooking and disinfectants are ineffectual against prions (incinerating or extreme temp/pressure combos work, but) and minimally cooked/raw beef in the form of carpaccio and other derivations are delish.

ostentatiously consume “mountain oysters” and oysters-on-the-half- shell. Fortunately, I never heard of them trying mountain-oysters-on-the-half-shell, so I guess there is a limit to everything.

Ostentatiously, maybe, but what’s wrong with oysters on the half shell. Come to MD, we have the best blue point oysters you will find out of the Chesapeake Bay. Eating bull balls is just another type of meat to eat. Again, I’ll give you the ostentatious bit, but cummon.

edit - forgot an important word

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blueraven  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:55:13am

re: #371 Alephnaught

Jeremy Corbyn views to go despite losing vote of confidence to MPs. Technically, has can do this under Labour party rules. It does smack of desperation though. How can he lead as leader of the opposition in Westminster?

gu.com

I wish he would go. Corbyn, at the very least, tolerated antisemitic rhetoric from some of his Labour colleagues.
This must not be allowed to fester on the left or right.

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Jay C  Jun 28, 2016 • 9:59:38am

re: #356 Sir John Barron

he doesn’t really sound happy on the court. maybe he’d like to make a career change.

/

And I’m sure President Clinton will be only too pleased to oblige him in his career planning.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:00:43am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:01:27am

The Republican definition of “respect”.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:02:22am
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lawhawk  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:03:25am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:04:25am

re: #380 GlutenFreeJesus

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The Republican definition of “respect”.

He implied Obana sympathized with the attackers before it was known four people died. Mitt showed what a pathetic little man he is that day.

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Teukka  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:04:30am

re: #320 FormerDirtDart

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I can’t help but think: How long before the first murder?

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Belafon  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:05:36am

re: #384 Teukka

I can’t help but think: How long before the first murder?

Jo Cox.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:05:47am

re: #379 The Vicious Babushka

Troubled Heart sounds troubled, concerned.

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blueraven  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:07:29am

Stink Bait

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lizardofid  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:07:40am

re: #351 HappyWarrior

If you don’t believe in certain drugs that are legal for prescription, don’t be a pharmacist, no one is forcing you to be one. Simple too bad Scalito doesn’t get that. Would Alito approve of an anti gun clerk denying a permit to a law abiding citizen?

I don’t even think one needs deny them selves a career as a pharmacist. All anyone, pharmacist, florist, baker ect, needs to do, is grow the hell up, and recognize the natural line of demarcation, between their own personal beliefs, and the civil rights of others.

simple, no?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:08:34am

re: #388 lizardofid

I don’t even think one needs deny them selves a career as a pharmacist. All anyone, pharmacist, florist, baker ect, needs to do, is grow the hell up, and recognize the natural line of demarcation, between their own personal beliefs, and the civil rights of others.

simple, no?

That would be the mature thing to do yes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:08:39am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:09:24am

re: #387 blueraven

Stink Bait

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WND for those who can’t grow a Stalin mustache like Farah.

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Teukka  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:09:52am

re: #385 Belafon

Jo Cox.

First murder post-referendum.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:11:40am

One of my cats just sat on the digital bathroom scale.
I always knew she was hefty: 10.6 pounds.
Her sister weighs a little over half of that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:12:24am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:14:36am

re: #320 FormerDirtDart

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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:16:00am

re: #241 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He might truly be unaware that what he is doing is not legal…he is that clueless when it comes to anything outside business.

He is not only manifestly unqualified to be President, he is also unqualified to run a campaign.

Where is your god now, GOP?

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lizardofid  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:16:10am

re: #372 lawhawk

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Not good - not good at all. And that’ll only add to global woes with Venezuela being a major oil producer as well.

So, of course, the right wingers are saying this is the logical outcome of socialist policies - tyranny.

Last time I checked, right wingers also have a thing for authoritarianism and tyranny too. It’s one of the themes of both extreme right and left wing movements. Dictatorships, tyranny, and autocrats can come in fascist or socialist flavors.

Venezuela is the socialist flavor.
Trump is the fascist flavor.
UKIP is the right wing flavor.

/because both sides do it…

I really, really, wish there was some way, the crack in the diplomacy door the POTUS has created with Cuba, could be leveraged into some way of assisting the people of Venezuela. However, i’m sober enough to realize that is probably a bridge to far in the present political climate.

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Testy Toad T  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:17:53am

re: #397 lizardofid

I really, really, wish there was some way, the crack in the diplomacy door the POTUS has created with Cuba, could be leveraged into some way of assisting the people of Venezuela. However, i’m sober enough to realize that is probably a bridge to far in the present political climate.

I don’t see why we ought to expect hypothetical nation-building in Venezuela to go all that much better than it did in Iraq.

It sucks. It’s very terrible. Short of just showing up with containers full of food and toilet paper to hand over to the gangs, I am not sure what can be done.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:19:45am

Nigel is such a toad:

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:20:07am

re: #395 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Affray”—had to look it up.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:20:14am

re: #398 Dr. Matt

During an 18-month span in 1983-84, US Facilities in & around Beirut were attacked by terrorists 4 times, killing 330 people, including 262 Americans. There was exactly one congressional investigation into the Beirut debacle.

How many investigations were conducted into the eight acts of treason that Reagan and his pals committed by selling weapons to the murderers of over 241 Americans?

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Kragar  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:20:17am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:22:08am

re: #403 Kragar

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Yep.

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Belafon  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:22:27am

re: #399 Testy Toad T

I don’t see why we ought to expect hypothetical nation-building in Venezuela to go all that much better than it did in Iraq.

It sucks. It’s very terrible. Short of just showing up with containers full of food and toilet paper to hand over to the gangs, I am not sure what can be done.

I don’t think the suggestion involved invasion, more like what’s happened with Cuba. We didn’t invade, we didn’t even overthrow the government, we just set up better relations with the country.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:22:44am

re: #403 Kragar

Hillary knew the risks!!!!!111

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Jenner7  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:23:52am

Off to clean carpets. BBL.

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Belafon  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:24:13am

Hillary Clinton has moved ahead of Donald Trump in trust to handle terrorism, boosted by her response to the Orlando attack. …

Mirroring her rebound in the overall race for the White House, Clinton leads Trump by 50-39 percent in trust to handle terrorism in this poll, produced for ABC by Langer Research Associates. That’s similar to the gap in March after a more closely divided view last month.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:24:33am

re: #277 I Would Prefer Not To

Not completely - just some little accents here and there, maybe some pinstriping.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:25:05am

Why do conservative wingnuts hate capitalism?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:25:14am

re: #402 Timothy Watson

How many investigations were conducted into the eight acts of treason that Reagan and his pals committed by selling weapons to the murderers of over 241 Americans?

If Obama did but a fraction of the shady shit Reagan and his pals did, he would have already been impeached.

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ObserverArt  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:25:24am

You know it is bad enough we have to put up with Trump running as President. Do we also have to listen to his idiot sons give us their completely wrong take on the final Benghazi report?

Whut a fam-e-lee!

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lizardofid  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:26:15am

re: #399 Testy Toad T

I don’t see why we ought to expect hypothetical nation-building in Venezuela to go all that much better than it did in Iraq.

It sucks. It’s very terrible. Short of just showing up with containers full of food and toilet paper to hand over to the gangs, I am not sure what can be done.

Oh, I agree completely. Nation building is the last thing on my mind. I really, really, was just trying to think of a way to actually get relief to some of those suffering. Actual good will. That’s all. If some of the folk hated us a little less 20 years from now, that would be ok though. ; )

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gocart mozart  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:27:48am

re: #332 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:29:03am

re: #410 FormerDirtDart

Why do conservative wingnuts hate capitalism?

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Wingnuts insist liberals are a bunch of pussies since not all of us love guns but they freak out about shit like this.

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Teukka  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:29:40am

So, I posted that story about the P-bomb being dropped on a BBC journo in a WingNut Infested chat. They deny it’s a slur on par with the N-bomb in the US.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:31:04am
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Franklin  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:32:04am
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Shimshon  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:32:37am

re: #410 FormerDirtDart

Why do conservative wingnuts hate capitalism?

I wonder how many of those insane right wing conspiracy nuts who will believe anything that confirms their crazy views are all heavily armed “good guys with guns?” Sleep tight America!

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Franklin  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:33:10am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:33:20am

re: #417 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I just noticed that Canada has unicorns!!!

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Shimshon  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:33:58am

re: #411 HappyWarrior

If Obama did but a fraction of the shady shit Reagan and his pals did, he would have already been impeached.

See what Obama has done is even worse, because he broke 2 rules. #1. Anything you do as a Democrat is always wrong. #2. Don’t be black.

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lizardofid  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:34:15am

re: #417 Backwoods_Sleuth

lol, I bet he dropped President Obama a text before that tweet that said “Hold my Molson and watch this” !

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BeachDem  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:35:19am

re: #408 Belafon

That 39% of any polled groups think Trump could handle anything (let alone terrorism) other than running his mouth nonstop makes me sad.

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KGxvi  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:35:44am

re: #378 Jay C

And I’m sure President Clinton will be only too pleased to oblige him in his career planning.

“Justice Alito? Hello, President-elect Clinton here, would you be interested in being our ambassador to Vatican City?”

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:36:54am
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Barefoot Grin  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:38:10am

re: #426 FormerDirtDart

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Eating at Taco Bell was the first irrational act.

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gocart mozart  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:38:59am
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FormerDirtDart  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:39:05am

“…After the Taj opened in April 1990, the self-anointed “King of Debt” owed $70 million to 253 contractors employing thousands who built the domes and minarets, put up the glass and drywall, laid the pipes and installed everything from chandeliers to bathroom fixtures. A year later, when the casino collapsed into bankruptcy, those owed the most got only 33 cents in cash for each dollar owed, with promises of another 50 cents later. It took years to get the rest, assuming the companies survived long enough to collect…”

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Shimshon  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:39:46am

re: #427 Barefoot Grin

Eating at Taco Bell was the first irrational act.

Best Mexican food in the midwest and east coast…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:40:00am

re: #425 KGxvi

“Justice Alito? Hello, President-elect Clinton here, would you be interested in being our ambassador to Vatican City?”

Hah.

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Kragar  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:41:15am

re: #430 Shimshon

Buddy of mine in the Marines name was Martinez. Born and raised in Michigan, didn’t speak a word of Spanish.

He used to say he was “as Mexican as Taco Bell.”

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:41:36am

re: #430 Shimshon

Best Mexican food in the midwest and east coast…

I feel a shart coming on.

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Kragar  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:42:15am
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Franklin  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:42:40am
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Skip Intro  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:43:03am

re: #426 FormerDirtDart

Which is why they’re so important to GOP voters.

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lawhawk  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:43:29am

re: #429 FormerDirtDart

But yeah, Trump’s going to win NJ (or NY). All those trades that came into contact with Trump know what he is.

A cheapskate who doesn’t pay his obligations and tries to renegotiate everything, hoping to outlast the vendors - engaging in lawfare where bankruptcy isn’t an option (or just going to bankruptcy where it was).

He’s also very highly leveraged and cash poor, which explains why he doesn’t have the money on hand to cover his campaign, and can’t infuse his campaign with millions of dollars needed to make it work. He also relies on free media coverage, and he’s still benefiting from that too.

But the GOP and Trump supporters don’t care about any of that.

I’m okay with that as long as the GOP gets crushed in November. Such a thorough drubbing that there’s no doubt as to what happened and why (not that the GOP will care about post-mortems, since they’ll simply figure that the only way to win is to be even more extreme than Trump).

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:44:49am

re: #435 Franklin

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Can’t believe McCain wants to run again.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:45:27am

re: #434 Kragar

Well, I wouldn’t say we are laughing.

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KGxvi  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:46:02am

re: #399 Testy Toad T

I don’t see why we ought to expect hypothetical nation-building in Venezuela to go all that much better than it did in Iraq.

It sucks. It’s very terrible. Short of just showing up with containers full of food and toilet paper to hand over to the gangs, I am not sure what can be done.

I’d argue a big difference between nation building in Iraq and potential work in Venezuela would be the whole “invasion, toppling of the government, and having no plan for after” approach of Iraq vs some sort of diplomatic mission where we (or more likely our allies with us working behind the scenes) are able to enter with the consent of the Venezuelan government on a humanitarian mission. It’s the difference between an intervention and someone deciding to go to meetings because they’ve hit rock bottom.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:47:13am

Maybe Trump hasn’t been tweeting because he’s been practicing reading a speech from a teleprompter….nah…

Here’s the speech he’s supposed to give in Pennsylvania at 2:30 pm ET today:

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Franklin  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:47:48am

Zing!

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:48:12am

re: #440 KGxvi

I’d argue a big difference between nation building in Iraq and potential work in Venezuela would be the whole “invasion, toppling of the government, and having no plan for after” approach of Iraq vs some sort of diplomatic mission where we (or more likely our allies with us working behind the scenes) are able to enter with the consent of the Venezuelan government on a humanitarian mission. It’s the difference between an intervention and someone deciding to go to meetings because they’ve hit rock bottom.

It would have to be very behind the scenes. Everything is a CIA plot to their government (and there’s some basis for this paranoia).

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Sir John Barron  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:48:45am

re: #441 Backwoods_Sleuth

Maybe Trump hasn’t been tweeting because he’s been practicing reading a speech from a teleprompter….nah…

Here’s the speech he’s supposed to give in Pennsylvania at 2:30 pm ET today:

We’re gonna have the best jobs, the best. Believe me.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:49:06am

re: #434 Kragar

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Is anyone laughing? I sure as hell ain’t.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:50:00am

re: #435 Franklin

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I’m hoping he and Arpaio go down in flames.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:51:54am

re: #446 HappyWarrior

I’m hoping he and Arpaio go down in flames.

Speaking of:

Joe Arpaio Will Jazz Up The Uniforms Of Heat-Stricken Prison Inmates With Tiny American Flags

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lizardofid  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:53:59am

re: #443 Barefoot Grin

It would have to be very behind the scenes. Everything is a CIA plot to their government (and there’s some basis for this paranoia).

I know you’re right! It just seems like the fresh restart with Cuba, however new and wobbly, might present a slightly new dynamic, and opportunity for back channel contact.

i know, a unicorn Would be nice too ; )

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CuriousLurker  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:54:27am

re: #347 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I wonder what would happen the first time a pharmacist voiced his or her moral/religious objection to delivering a prescription for Viagra? Better yet, let’s make the sale & delivery of anything having to do with sex & the reproductive organs (condoms, birth control, STD treatments, etc.) dependent upon one’s ability to prove they’re married, and if they can’t then… Interrogation? Fines? Jail?

Yeah, that sounds great, right?? We can be like the IRI or SA, maybe even stricter—yay!
//

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CuriousLurker  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:55:43am

Oh, new thread. Naturally. ಠ_ಠ

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HappyWarrior  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:56:27am

re: #449 CuriousLurker

I wonder what would happen the first time a pharmacist voiced his or her moral/religious objection to delivering a prescription for Viagra? Better yet, let’s make the sale & delivery of anything having to do with having sex & the reproductive organs (condoms, birth control, STD treatments, etc.) dependent upon one’s ability to prove they’re married, and if they’re not then… Interrogation? Fines? Jail?

Yeah, that sounds great, right?? we can be like the IRI or SA, maybe even stricter—yay!
//

Exactly CL, why are some things more okay to deny than others? It’s typical right wing pick and create your own religious liberty and its always been total bs.

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Belafon  Jun 28, 2016 • 10:59:21am

re: #430 Shimshon

Best Mexican food in the midwest and east coast…

Gotta throw a shoutout to Taco Bueno.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 28, 2016 • 7:25:56pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

It’s because Ayn Rand can make for entertaining self-help masturbation for late-teen/early 20 something white men whose main personality trait is a grandiose sense of entitlement.

However, in the real world, it makes for generally terrible public policy which has to deal with actual Reality and people of all faiths, colors, and ethnicities not awarded an automatic entilitlent at birth.


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