Trump Barred From Speaking to NYPD Officers, Then Says Police Commissioner Is Lying

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Donald Trump asked New York Police Commissioner Bill Bratton to let him speak to a roll call of police officers today, in a pretty obvious attempt to exploit the horrific events in Dallas for political gain. To his credit, Commissioner Bratton said no.

“Our interest is staying out of the politics of the moment, and not to provide photo ops,” he told reporters. “If Mr. Trump wants to speak to me, I would be happy to brief him on what we’re doing. If Sen. Clinton wants to speak to me, I would very happy to brief her on what we’re doing. But we are not in the business of providing photo ops for our candidates.”

And in response, the Trump campaign’s spokesperson is calling Commissioner Bratton a liar.

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iossarian  Jul 8, 2016 • 12:53:31pm

If you had to invent a brainless mouthpiece for a fictional early-21st-century American neo-fascist you might well name your character Hope Hicks.

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lawhawk  Jul 8, 2016 • 12:53:34pm

Bratton has no reason to lie about the requests. Trump has every reason to lie about making the request.

So yeah, Trump’s lying here too. He wanted the backdrop of a sea of Blue on a day when cops across the nation are mourning the loss of their fellow officers in Dallas. It would make him look official and “presidential” in a way that a sea of aluminum scrap never could.

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iossarian  Jul 8, 2016 • 12:53:49pm

Also, kill “spox” with fire.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:00:46pm
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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:00:46pm

Charles,

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Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:06:41pm

re: #5 MsJ

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wrenchwench  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:08:11pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:08:16pm
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Stanley Sea  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:08:17pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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gah that’s ugly.

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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:09:07pm

re: #9 Stanley Sea

gah that’s ugly.

It just needs the lotion on its skin!

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Tigger2  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:10:55pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:12:02pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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Looks like the Alley Cat in The Secret Life of Pets.

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Shimshon  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:14:28pm

Chances of the police union trying to pull this one and Trump walking it back when the Commish denied him? We will see depending on if the union releases a statement or not.

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BeachDem  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:15:32pm

re: #1 iossarian

If you had to invent a brainless mouthpiece for a fictional early-21st-century American neo-fascist you might well name your character Hope Hicks.

Hicks began her work in the Trump Organization working with Trump’s daughter, fashion designer Ivanka, until early 2015. In addition to doing public relations work with Ivanka, Hicks has modeled her clothing.

The Washington Post reported that she is involved in Trump’s Twitter account, as she sometimes “takes dictation and sends the words to aides” to then be tweeted.

ballotpedia.org

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:16:54pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:18:06pm

re: #13 Shimshon

Chances of the police union trying to pull this one and Trump walking it back when the Commish denied him? We will see depending on if the union releases a statement or not.

doesn’t matter.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:18:23pm

re: #1 iossarian

If you had to invent a brainless mouthpiece for a fictional early-21st-century American neo-fascist you might well name your character Hope Hicks.

I prefer Mouth Of Sauron

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wrenchwench  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:19:35pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:19:57pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:20:13pm

Dallas Probably Doesn’t Signal Rise Of Police Death Robots. At Least Not Yet. Probably.

It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.
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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:21:34pm

re: #18 wrenchwench

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If you want to damn Newt with faint praise, at least he didn’t say “real Americans”

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lawhawk  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:23:33pm

Do we know the weapon used in last night’s attack in Dallas? AR-15? A similar weapon? Will the gun fetishists complain that those who can’t tell the difference shouldn’t opine on whether the weapons should or shouldn’t be banned from civilian hands?

Does it even matter anymore? The GOP wont restore the AWB or address the mental health issues that might make someone a greater threat to themselves and others when armed with a gun. Both those issues may have played a part in the Dallas attacks.

Are the gun fetishists waiting to see how the NRA addresses both the Dallas shootings and the earlier unjustified shooting of a black man who was lawfully entitled to conceal carry? Their silence on the latter especially in light of the gun fetishist claims that we need firearms to thwart the tyranny of government seems to feed the need to be heavily armed to fight off the cops (who are a branch of the government). Yet, the former was a devastating attack against cops by someone who was heavily armed and trained in the use of deadly force (a former military servicemember who might also have had mental health issues).

The past 48 hours in a nutshell is everything that’s wrong with the gun culture in the US, and the NRA in particular. They’ve done nothing to disabuse me of that belief.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:24:01pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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Tigger2  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:24:45pm
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BeachDem  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:25:01pm

What. An. Asshole.

The head of a law enforcement advocacy group lashed out at President Barack Obama in the wake of the Dallas shootings that left five police officers dead, accused the president of carrying out a “war on cops.”

“I think [the Obama administration] continued appeasements at the federal level with the Department of Justice, their appeasement of violent criminals, their refusal to condemn movements like Black Lives Matter, actively calling for the death of police officers, that type of thing, all the while blaming police for the problems in this country has led directly to the climate that has made Dallas possible,” William Johnson, the executive director of the National Association of Police Organizations, said in an interview with Fox on Friday morning.

dailykos.com

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Shimshon  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:25:08pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

doesn’t matter.

It doesn’t matter to see if the union keeps pulling this lack of respect for civilian oversight?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:25:28pm
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lawhawk  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:26:22pm
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Belafon  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:27:29pm

re: #28 lawhawk

Multiple people are dead. It’s already politicized.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:28:15pm
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lawhawk  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:28:29pm

re: #27 The Vicious Babushka

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bratwurst  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:28:56pm

I can’t believe I am saying this, but Rush Limbaugh had a few nuanced and thoughtful takes on the situation today.

Click to Reveal

Just kidding of course. First he lamented the fact that the number of black police chiefs, prosecutors and mayors “isn’t helping things”, then he went on to suggest that purveyors of police shooting black men videos are becoming “adept at editing”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:29:04pm

re: #26 Shimshon

It doesn’t matter to see if the union keeps pulling this lack of respect for civilian oversight?

Nope, because we already know about the police union problem there.
Your premise that the union forced this on Bratton is what I meant by “doesn’t matter”.
I, personally, have no reason to “wait and see” anything the union has to say about this.
Bratton’s response to Trump is the only one that matters.

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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:29:38pm

re: #8 goddamnedfrank

The statically verifiable fact of cops using disparate force against minorities doesn’t represent police, but a lone gunman represents #BLM?

Of course the lone gunman represents BLM. The whole point of the constant othering is taking away the privilege of agency and individuality. A black man is not allowed to be simply an individual criminal, he is a reflection of all black people in the entirety of the history of black people. A single illegal immigrant isn’t a data point, he is the point, he is the prove of the inherent monstrousity that is the invasion of EEELEEEGALLLS threatening to destroy everything. A Muslim terrorist isn’t simply a criminal, he is proof positive that the entire religion and its adherents hate America and want to blow the entire good country away because they’re a death cult.

Cops are immune from this, not simply because they’re authority, but because they’re the ‘default’. They’re part of the unassailable status quo majority that has the privilege of being treated like an individual, for good or for ill. They get to be ‘bad apples’ that are the exception that proves the rule. THey’re the outlier that doesn’t force the curve.

That’s why you have such infuriating axioms in minority communities of ‘work twice as hard to be seen as half as good’. And this isn’t meant to be a call to collective blame for Cops, or for the ‘default’ either. It’s a call to consider collective blame what it is: utter stinking horeshit used to marginalize the ‘other’ in a society into further otherdom and hit home the point: if you’re not the default, then by definition, you aren’t AMERICAN and don’t deserve to be American.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:31:05pm

re: #34 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

I’m glad there are people today who are up to writing on point shit like this because I sure as hell am not, but I can appreciate it 100%.

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No Country For Old Haters  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:31:28pm

re: #4 goddamnedfrank

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Nice. We all need to push back against rwnj misinterpretations of events. Brainwashed people reach conclusions that are bizarre at best, and want the rest of us to pretend they have a valid point.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:31:36pm

not all cops……

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wrenchwench  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:32:30pm

re: #32 bratwurst

I can’t believe I am saying this, but Rush Limbaugh had a few nuanced and thoughtful takes on the situation today.

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I can’t believe the sense of relief I felt after the first four hidden words.

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ObserverArt  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:32:53pm

Let’s see. Based on a career of it, who would I believe is the liar.

Bratton?

Trump?

Bratton?

Trump?

TRUMP®!

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EPR-radar  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:35:22pm

re: #32 bratwurst

I can’t believe I am saying this, but Rush Limbaugh had a few nuanced and thoughtful takes on the situation today.

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Very funny. There actually is a thoughtful essay on this topic over at RedState, and the comments are mostly civilized. redstate.com

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lawhawk  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:36:10pm

re: #37 Stanley Sea

Forget cops wearing body cams. Blacks wearing body cams (or taking video of police encounters) is jaw droppingly and stunningly awful.

Excessive force.
Threatening deadly force for no reason.
Using deadly force for no reason.
Using excessive force.
Using slurs and other derogatory language.

It’s all part of dehumanizing minorities, and it’s been going on for decades. And it has to stop.

Doesn’t it? GOP. I’m looking at you. Will you stand and be counted with those who want to make sure that there’s equal justice for all?

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Shimshon  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:37:04pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nope, because we already know about the police union problem there.
Your premise that the union forced this on Bratton is what I meant by “doesn’t matter”.
I, personally, have no reason to “wait and see” anything the union has to say about this.
Bratton’s response to Trump is the only one that matters.

Then you personally, can stop responding to me. I am interested in this, and if you aren’t you can skip my comment. I didn’t hold a gun to your head to read and respond to me against your will.

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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:37:24pm

re: #41 lawhawk

Forget cops wearing body cams. Blacks wearing body cams (or taking video of police encounters) is jaw droppingly and stunningly awful.

Excessive force.
Threatening deadly force for no reason.
Using deadly force for no reason.
Using excessive force.
Using slurs and other derogatory language.

It’s all part of dehumanizing minorities, and it’s been going on for decades. And it has to stop.

Doesn’t it? GOP. I’m looking at you. Will you stand and be counted with those who want to make sure that there’s equal justice for all?

Their only answer has been to other the entirety of their political opposition, and judging from the treatment folks like Obama and Hillary have gotten, they’ve succeeded that too.

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EPR-radar  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:38:23pm

re: #41 lawhawk

…
Doesn’t it? GOP. I’m looking at you. Will you stand and be counted with those who want to make sure that there’s equal justice for all?

Of course not. As soon as it becomes clear that equal justice for all is a position favored by liberals, 99+% of conservatives will oppose it as the worst thing ever.

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Shimshon  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:38:29pm

re: #25 BeachDem

What. An. Asshole.

The head of a law enforcement advocacy group lashed out at President Barack Obama in the wake of the Dallas shootings that left five police officers dead, accused the president of carrying out a “war on cops.”

“I think [the Obama administration] continued appeasements at the federal level with the Department of Justice, their appeasement of violent criminals, their refusal to condemn movements like Black Lives Matter, actively calling for the death of police officers, that type of thing, all the while blaming police for the problems in this country has led directly to the climate that has made Dallas possible,” William Johnson, the executive director of the National Association of Police Organizations, said in an interview with Fox on Friday morning.

dailykos.com

This is what I’m talking about, this is a horrible reaction. The police are supposed to be professionals and not act like teenagers yelling out for attention and disrespecting the elected bosses. If they can’t handle responsibility and respect even in times of tragedy then they should be forced to resign.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:39:30pm

For the record, maybe talking about how you aren’t holding a gun to someone’s head isn’t the best choice of imagery this week.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:39:48pm

re: #45 Shimshon

This is what I’m talking about, this is a horrible reaction. The police are supposed to be professionals and not act like teenagers yelling out for attention and disrespecting the elected bosses. If they can’t handle responsibility and respect then they should be forced to resign.

What a buttmunch. Apparently no criticism can be made of LE ever. Maybe this guy needs a safe space.

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jaunte  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:39:55pm

Just heard this on the radio:

Here & Now’s Robin Young talks with Randy Sutton, the spokesman of the national organization Blue Lives Matter, about how the law-enforcement community across the country is dealing with the loss.

‘I have served as a law enforcement officer for 34 years, I have stood the line. I know what goes on in the hearts and the minds of the vast majority of men and women, and it is not racist, and it is not anything to do with color or creed or religion.’
wbur.org

Pretending he knows what’s in the hearts and minds of an entire subset of humans is a key part of the problem. He also blames Obama, for some reason.

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No Country For Old Haters  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:39:57pm

re: #25 BeachDem

What. An. Asshole.

The head of a law enforcement advocacy group lashed out at President Barack Obama in the wake of the Dallas shootings that left five police officers dead, accused the president of carrying out a “war on cops.”

“I think [the Obama administration] continued appeasements at the federal level with the Department of Justice, their appeasement of violent criminals, their refusal to condemn movements like Black Lives Matter, actively calling for the death of police officers, that type of thing, all the while blaming police for the problems in this country has led directly to the climate that has made Dallas possible,” William Johnson, the executive director of the National Association of Police Organizations, said in an interview with Fox on Friday morning.

dailykos.com

With Conservatives now openly racist, this terrible situation is not at all surprising. I hope that we’re just in a bad time, and injustice isn’t going to win long-term.

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iossarian  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:42:30pm

re: EPR-radar

Very funny. There actually is a thoughtful essay on this topic over at RedState, and the comments are mostly civilized.

Yeah although note how he has to bend over backwards to let people continue to believe that it’s all in black people’s imaginations, they’re not really persecuted at all.

Fuck redstate and their fake seriousness. They’re just a step above Limbaugh in terms of house training and dog-whistle sophistication.

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gocart mozart  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:45:40pm
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Shimshon  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:48:37pm

re: #47 Sir John Barron

What a buttmunch. Apparently no criticism can be made of LE ever. Maybe this guy needs a safe space.

He could have been trying to top the Lt Governor of Texas, Dan Patrick’s derp was warp speed.

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iossarian  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:49:00pm

The fact that the redstate article even appears to be halfway reasonable is itself an indication of how utterly clueless the right-wing discourse is. Consider these gems from that very article:

And the proliferation of cell phone video recording has really confirmed (in their minds) something they have long anecdotally believed or been taught - that police often interact with minority communities in different ways than they do with the white community.

In their minds? Anecdotally?

If minority communities (and everyone else, for that matter) believed that, resort to reprisal killings would be either non existent or far less frequent.

Resort to reprisal killings? Far less frequent?

Like black people frequently kill cops.

Fuck Leon fucking Wolf and his shitty false equivalences.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:49:22pm

re: #46 klys (maker of Silmarils)

For the record, maybe talking about how you aren’t holding a gun to someone’s head isn’t the best choice of imagery this week.

And such a strange OTT reaction to a comment that merely disagreed.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:52:52pm

re: #53 iossarian

The fact that the redstate article even appears to be halfway reasonable is itself an indication of how utterly clueless the right-wing discourse is. Consider these gems from that very article:

In their minds? Anecdotally?

Resort to reprisal killings? Far less frequent?

Like black people frequently kill cops.

Fuck Leon fucking Wolf and his shitty false equivalences.

Yes even this equivocation was probably enough to have his commenters lose their sh*t.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:53:36pm

re: #9 Stanley Sea

gah that’s ugly.

!!!

he’s a booteeful puddy tat!

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ObserverArt  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:56:47pm

re: Backwoods_Sleuth

And such a strange OTT reaction to a comment that merely disagreed.

Am I wrong to think that reaction is common every time there is a disagreement?

Funny how on a discussion board people are asked not to discuss. We must not be worthy.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:57:29pm

Yikes! No biggy, but don’t do this in Russia.


A Delta Air Lines jetliner with 130 passengers on board landed at the wrong airport in South Dakota Thursday evening, said a spokesman for the National Transportation Safety Board, which is investigating the incident.

The Delta A320 landed at Ellsworth Air Force Base at 8:42 p.m. Central Time Thursday, when its destination was an airport in Rapid City, board spokesman Peter Knudson said Friday. Ellsworth is about 10 miles due north of Rapid City Regional Airport.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:58:32pm

re: ObserverArt

Am I wrong to think that reaction is common every time there is a disagreement?

Funny how on a discussion board people are asked not to discuss. We must not be worthy.

And there are some who accuse us here at LGF of being an echo chamber.

So confusing…

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majii  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:59:25pm

re: iossarian

You don’t have to be a POC living in a “minority community” for some law enforcement officials to treat you differently than they would treat a white person. I don’t live in a what could be described as a “minority community,” but as I wrote here last night, if I go to certain neighborhoods here in Middle GA, those living in that neighborhood would call the police and I would stand a good chance of being locked up and taken to jail, a place I’ve never been in my 60+ years, all because of race and someone thinking I had no business being there. I could be visiting someone I know who lives there, but it wouldn’t matter. Once the cops showed up, they’d believe the white person living in the neighborhood, and I’d probably be told to shut up, cuffed, and taken to the police station. This is the way it is for POC and some others, all over America, and some, like those at Red State, seem to think we’re making this sh*t up, and the reason they think that is because sh*t like this never happens to them.

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wrenchwench  Jul 8, 2016 • 1:59:26pm

re: Shiplord Kirel

Yikes! No biggy, but don’t do this in Russia.

Especially if you were headed for Rapid City!

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electrotek  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:04:00pm

I’m in absolute shock.

One of my favorite electronic producers and an absolute pioneer in house music from Manchester in the 80s onward, the man behind “Voodoo Ray”, sank ever so low with such a disgusting post gloating the murder of law enforcement in Dallas last night:

Unbelievable.

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EPR-radar  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:05:05pm

re: #53 iossarian

Something approaching reason from a wingnut is like a dog walking on its hind legs. It is not done well, but you are surprised to find it done at all.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:08:52pm
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Sir John Barron  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:10:24pm

re: #58 Shiplord Kirel

Yikes! No biggy, but don’t do this in Russia.

The Rapid City airport has to be one of the smallest airports in the country. Or at least among airports that have most of the major airlines through it. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:10:38pm

I guess we now know who gets to decide when government goes too far and reaches “tyranny” stage, thereby justifying violent revolt. Whoever the fuck has guns and the will to die.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:10:40pm

Evening Lizardim.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:12:04pm

re: #60 majii

I’m white, live in white suburbia about an hour north of Atlanta and even I can understand this. What pisses me off to no end is when white people say shit like “well, if you don’t want the cops to turn on you, you just have to be polite and do what they say. If you act like a thug, you get treated like one”. NO. Nope, NOPE. You can be polite as you would be to your mom and if a cop doesn’t like how you look and is a racist douchehammer, you’re going to suffer. It’s not that hard to figure out. Power goes to people’s heads all the time. Look at Donald Trump FFS.

I may not live in fear because of race, but I have a kid who is autistic. He also has really long ass hair, down to the middle of his back. He sometimes, when nervous (as one would be if, say, pulled over by the cops) can’t make eye contact very well or misunderstands what’s being said to him. The wrong cop on the wrong day pulls him over and I could be getting a call no parent wants to get. I’ve practiced with him many times what to do and say if he gets pulled over and we even have a little packet in the glove box with the insurance card, registration and my phone number on it. We shouldn’t have to do that , but here we are.

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iossarian  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:13:17pm

re: #60 majii

Well, exactly. My point is that your experience is way beyond “anecdotal”, but people like Leon F. Wolf make it sound like it’s all a fairy tale. This is why progress on race in the US is so grindingly slow: because there are a large number of white people who are never required to confront reality.

Compare and contrast with, e.g., post-WWII Germany’s painful confrontation of the past (imperfect for sure but worlds away from the US and especially the South).

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:13:25pm

re: #58 Shiplord Kirel

Yikes! No biggy, but don’t do this in Russia.

Back in…’95, maybe…we had an Aeroflot Il-62 try to land on 24th Ave. S, kind of alongside the second runway at Sea-Tac. They realized their mistake and pulled up.

People were running out of their houses thinking it was about to clip their roof off, only to see it a considerable distance overhead. Apparently, they’re incredibly loud compared with western airliners.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:13:55pm

re: #4 goddamnedfrank

Ooo. Burn!

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iossarian  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:15:23pm

Anyway, the afternoon is too nice to spend it typing. Hope the weekend is enjoyable for all.

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Tigger2  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:17:24pm

People showing support for the Police in Dallas .

Facebook Video

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VegasGolfer  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:18:56pm

re: #58 Shiplord Kirel

That is a big deal. Could you imagine an airliner approaching an air force base shortly after 9/11? Those pilots will be flying cargo for an obscure shipping company soon. And ive seen this before, being an air traffic controller for 26 years.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:20:49pm

re: #74 VegasGolfer

That is a big deal. Could you imagine an airliner approaching an air force base shortly after 9/11? Those pilots will be flying cargo for an obscure shipping company soon. And ive seen this before, being an air traffic controller for 26 years.

I’m surprised they didn’t get a friendly escort. The Air Force doesn’t strike me as the type of guys who welcome unexpected visitors, even harmless civilian planes.

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Nyet  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:21:46pm

re: #62 electrotek

I’m in absolute shock.

One of my favorite electronic producers and an absolute pioneer in house music from Manchester in the 80s onward, the man behind “Voodoo Ray”, sank ever so low with such a disgusting post gloating the murder of law enforcement in Dallas last night:

Unbelievable.

Well, maybe he should [censored censored censored] himself.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:21:54pm

re: #56 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

I’d pet that.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:22:31pm

Got stung by a wasp when I was outside and then stepped in an anthill, lol. It’s also like 9000 degrees out there. Thank god for After Bite and cold packs. Geesh.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:27:40pm

re: #65 Sir John Barron

The Rapid City airport has to be one of the smallest airports in the country. Or at least among airports that have most of the major airlines through it. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

The grandiosely titled Lubbock Preston Smith International Airport is a huge, sprawling facility, and seems almost deserted a large part of the time. The present multiple-gated terminal was built in the 70s on the basis of highly optimistic Chamber of Commerce predictions that the city would have a population of 500,000 by 2020.
The runways are adequate for any aircraft in the world but, except for the occasional charter, they are rarely used by anything larger than a 737.
There is a story, possibly a legend, behind the construction of the present huge runways. In the mid-60s, the airport still used basically the same runways that had been left behind by the AAF at the end of World War II. They had been lengthened for jets, but there were many complaints about potholes and rough surfacing in general. To get to the bottom of this, the FAA sent a DC-3 from its Airways fleet that was specially instrumented to measure runway roughness and general surface quality. The DC-3 touched down, hit a pothole, and crashed. Nobody was hurt but the FAA guy was fuming mad when he got out of the plane. Work on the best possible new runways started soon thereafter.

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VegasGolfer  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:29:54pm

re: #75 thedopefishlives

Probably the afb closes after a certain hour and the airspace reverts to the ARTCC or associated aproach control. And since the intended airport is really small, the aircraft was probably on a visual approach and had the wrong airport in sight. There are many factors that happened to allow this to happen. Including the controllers at rapid city, if there were any on duty.

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gocart mozart  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:31:38pm
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BeachDem  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:36:38pm

re: #75 thedopefishlives

I’m surprised they didn’t get a friendly escort. The Air Force doesn’t strike me as the type of guys who welcome unexpected visitors, even harmless civilian planes.

Jeez—once when I was working in Montgomery County, MD, I turned one corner too soon for where I was going and drove into Walter Reed—my car was surrounded by armed guard in about 10 seconds.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:36:44pm

re: #60 majii

You don’t have to be a POC living in a “minority community” for some law enforcement officials to treat you differently than they would treat a white person. I don’t live in a what could be described as a “minority community,” but as I wrote here last night, if I go to certain neighborhoods here in Middle GA, those living in that neighborhood would call the police and I would stand a good chance of being locked up and taken to jail, a place I’ve never been in my 60+ years, all because of race and someone thinking I had no business being there. I could be visiting someone I know who lives there, but it wouldn’t matter. Once the cops showed up, they’d believe the white person living in the neighborhood, and I’d probably be told to shut up, cuffed, and taken to the police station. This is the way it is for POC and some others, all over America, and some, like those at Red State, seem to think we’re making this sh*t up, and the reason they think that is because sh*t like this never happens to them.

They have too much emotionally invested in this being Post Racial America, and in themselves not being A Racist.

Partly it’s that the existence of White Privilege would diminish their own self-worth by reducing the extent to which their success is truly all on their won merit. If they have children, White Privilege would make their children’s accomplishments less worthy of pride.

Partly it’s the desire to believe there’s nothing more to be done about race, that we’ve already ‘gotten there’. If we haven’t ‘gotten there’, they realize the next steps are harder, because they’re personal, and can’t be legislated.

Partly it’s that they need to think of themselves as ‘Not A Racist’. In their minds, one is either A Racist, or one is Not A Racist, and if you’re Not A Racist, any race-based reactions must be justifiable. Find yourself just a little uneasy around a young black man? It must be something about HIM, not you, because you’re Not A Racist.

The last also applies to other people. In their minds, A Racist is a generally bad person. They’d expect A Racist Cop to also be prone to discourtesy and excessive force with everyone. All the cops they’ve ever met were nice to them, so that means all cops must be Not A Racist. If you’re Not A Racist, then your actions can’t be motivated by racism, so it’s not possible that cops are treating blacks differently, or if they are, it’s not racism, it’s because of “their experience”.

Hence you have the RedState guy, trying to be reasonable and openminded, saying that blacks perceive themselves to be treated differently, clearly suggesting that he thinks they’re wrong. The coin has dropped partway. He accepts that blacks BELIEVE this, but doesn’t think it could be REAL, because then all those cops whom he’s certain are Not A Racist would have to be A Racist.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:47:11pm

No new posts in 10 minutes in the middle of the afternoon? I guess that must have been the last word on the subject.
////

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ObserverArt  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:48:03pm

re: #78 A Mom Anon

Got stung by a wasp when I was outside and then stepped in an anthill, lol. It’s also like 9000 degrees out there. Thank god for After Bite and cold packs. Geesh.

One of them stung me in the back of my arm a couple weeks ago. Sucker hurt for about a half-hour.

And it is extremely humid here in Columbus. Suppose to clear out tonight though and gives us a nice weekend.

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lawhawk  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:48:58pm

re: #65 Sir John Barron

Flew into Rapid City when I did the national park circuit there - Mt. Rushmore, Badlands, Devil’s Tower, and it’s a small airport alright. I almost can get the confusion since the runways are nearly aligned in the same angle. Rapid City main runway is 14/32. Ellsworth is 13/31. But damn… .someone’s gonna lose their flying privileges over that one.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:49:15pm

Isn’t it sad that on a day of national tragedy, Donald Trump is sending out stupid messages on Twitter?

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Belafon  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:49:46pm

re: #84 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m trying to do everything I can to make the last 30 minutes go by so this emotional week will be over for me.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:50:11pm

re: #83 Blind Frog Belly White

I probably saw this here, but it’s worth the repost

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:53:06pm

re: #85 ObserverArt

One of them stung me in the back of my arm a couple weeks ago. Sucker hurt for about a half-hour.

And it is extremely humid here in Columbus. Suppose to clear out tonight though and gives us a nice weekend.

MrBWS got bit last week when a wasp managed to get inside one of his hot gloves when he was working on live lines.
His hand was swollen for two days, even with taking mega doses of Benadryl. He had to ask the supply guy for a hot glove two sizes larger.

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lawhawk  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:53:34pm

Dallas PD appears to have finally deleted the tweet about a suspect who wasn’t actually involved.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:54:35pm

re: #87 The Vicious Babushka

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:54:58pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:55:07pm

re: #91 lawhawk

Damage is done. He and his brother have been getting death threats.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:57:25pm

re: #94 GlutenFreeJesus

Damage is done. He and his brother have been getting death threats.

Two things this demonstrates:

1. Open carry is really stupid.
2. Open carry is really, REALLY stupid for black people.

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Belafon  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:58:58pm

re: #95 Blind Frog Belly White

Two things this demonstrates:

1. Open carry is really stupid.
2. Open carry is really, REALLY stupid for black people.

Imagine if some guy with a gun on the ground had seen where the shooter was, and pulled out his gun to return fire. The cops initially thought that the shooting was coming from the crowd.

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ObserverArt  Jul 8, 2016 • 2:59:17pm

re: #90 Backwoods_Sleuth

MrBWS got bit last week when a wasp managed to get inside one of his hot gloves when he was working on live lines.
His hand was swollen for two days, even with taking mega doses of Benadryl. He had to ask the supply guy for a hot glove two sizes larger.

I’m lucky. All I get is the sting and feeling like a pin is still in me for a bit. I get a little red bump, put some pain relief cream on it and about four hours later the bump is down. The next day I may have a little red dot.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:00:44pm

re: #94 GlutenFreeJesus

Damage is done. He and his brother have been getting death threats.

It would be good if they followed up with tweets and an announcement praising him for acting so quickly to turn in his weapon to an officer and allow himself to be questioned, and apologizing for the mistake of calling him a suspect.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:01:27pm

re: #74 VegasGolfer

That is a big deal. Could you imagine an airliner approaching an air force base shortly after 9/11? Those pilots will be flying cargo for an obscure shipping company soon. And ive seen this before, being an air traffic controller for 26 years.

I was thinking a big deal from the safety point of view. The pilots, of course, are in deep doodoo. Unlike in some other (seriously hairy) wrong airport incidents, Ellsworth has enough runway for any aircraft that happens to drop in. This kind of thing happens often enough that AF (and Navy) base security trains specifically for it. I imagine the plane was surrounded within seconds after it stopped.
It reminds me of the opening scene in the Jimmy Stewart classic Strategic Air Command, where the SAC commander tests base security by landing a fake airliner under the pretext of a fake emergency. He and his crew of fake saboteurs are apprehended at gunpoint as soon as they step out, but he is still not satisfied.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:02:10pm

re: #96 Belafon

Imagine if some guy with a gun on the ground had seen where the shooter was, and pulled out his gun to return fire. The cops initially thought that the shooting was coming from the crowd.

With the way echoes work in such a space, they’d have heard gunfire coming from that direction even without him ever firing.

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whitebeach  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:02:22pm

re: #80 VegasGolfer

Hey, VG. Aren’t you just back from Ireland? Or still there, lucky man?

A note of caution: My first trip there, my lady golfer friend and I spent two weeks driving all up and down and around the south and west, a total of about 1500 miles. Back in Baton Rouge, she drove us to her place from the airport and I picked up my car there. I turned onto Nicholson Drive, heading happily home for a dip in the pool (an amenity, you may have noticed, not readily to hand in Ireland). The road was practically empty—-except for a dumptruck suddenly aiming straight at me. Was the idiot drunk? Bent on vehicular homicide? He flashed his lights, and in the last flickering nick of time I realized that I was the idiot: still driving on the left.

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gocart mozart  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:02:36pm
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ObserverArt  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:04:11pm

Greg Abbott about to speak. MSNBC is covering it and Hillary in Philadelphia at AME church convention.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:06:22pm

re: #103 ObserverArt

Greg Abbott about to speak. MSNBC is covering it and Hillary in Philadelphia at AME church convention.

Not enough money/drugs to get me to listen.

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Joe Bacon  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:07:58pm

re: #103 ObserverArt

Greg Abbott about to speak. MSNBC is covering it and Hillary in Philadelphia at AME church convention.

No way in hell would I listen to Abbott.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:08:02pm

re: #86 lawhawk

But damn… .someone’s gonna lose their flying privileges over that one.

Really? But they were only off by ONE airport!

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ObserverArt  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:08:29pm

Abbott is thanking The White House…for reaching out and speaking with him and expressing sorrow and help. Funny, he never mentioned who lives in the White House.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:12:31pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:13:03pm

very elightening look at trump thru the eye of newt

[mentioning disney’s frozen poster] “That was a very deliberate reopening of the same conversation,” Gingrich said in an interview Thursday. “He has concluded that you guys in the media will kill him unless he destroys your credibility. Guaranteeing that the media is not believable is a significant building block of this campaign, as important as showing that Hillary Clinton is corrupt.”

washingtonpost.com

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Jebediah, RBG  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:13:11pm

re: #107 ObserverArt

So it must have been the building that called him, not any particular person. Weird.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:14:32pm

re: #108 goddamnedfrank

Dan Patrick, Greg Abbott, whatever. I’m all out of fucks to give.

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Kragar  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:14:38pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:15:08pm

re: #111 goddamnedfrank

It’s Friday afternoon and this week has been shit.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:15:45pm

thisyear govner abbott feller shure do talk loud

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Kragar  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:17:28pm

re: #92 GlutenFreeJesus

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ObserverArt  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:20:14pm

re: #114 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

thisyear govner abbott feller shure do talk loud

Tough tawkin’ Texan.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:22:35pm

This press conference with Greg Abbott is so fucking frustrating and maddening. They’re talking about trying to discover all the influences that may have led to this shooter’s crimes, while insisting that the ready and easy accessibility of military grade weaponry has nothing to do with it at all.

Then they’re talking about how confusing it was to have multiple people wearing camo and body armor and carrying rifles, and not knowing which ones might have been involved in the shooting, and not a single fucking hint that Texas’s insane gun culture led directly to this confusing situation where they couldn’t tell who was a “good guy” and who wasn’t.

ARG.

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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:23:15pm

re: #111 goddamnedfrank

Dan Patrick, Greg Abbott, whatever. I’m all out of fucks to give.

I’d give you some of mine, but I don’t have any left, either.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:24:45pm

re: #117 The Vicious Babushka

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I don’t think I wanna know…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:25:02pm

The difference between a good guy with a gun and a bad guy with a gun is simply a matter of timing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:25:08pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

Hey, Greg Abbott, You Built That!

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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:25:11pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

This press conference with Greg Abbott is so fucking frustrating and maddening. They’re talking about trying to discover all the influences that may have led to this shooter’s crimes, while insisting that the ready and easy accessibility of military grade weaponry has nothing to do with it at all.

Then they’re talking about how confusing it was to have multiple people wearing camo and body armor and carrying rifles, and not knowing which ones might have been involved in the shooting, and not a single fucking hint that Texas’s insane gun culture led directly to this confusing situation where they couldn’t tell who was a “good guy” and who wasn’t.

ARG.

You couldn’t shove a molecule of introspection into those tightly closed minds. The ammosexual mindset is 100% full and complete. No thought required.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:25:44pm
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Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:32:11pm

re: #87 The Vicious Babushka

Hey, what happened to Lyin’ Crooked Hillary? I knew he couldn’t remember all that.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:32:16pm

Hillary is knocking it out of the park again.
Donald sits and seethes with butthurt.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:32:39pm

re: #116 ObserverArt

Tough tawkin’ Texan.

“IF I SAY THINGS REALLY LOUD, MAYBE PEOPLE WON’T NOTICE HOW STUPID IT IS!”

AKA the Trump™ Method of Public Speaking.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:33:26pm
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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:34:33pm

re: #124 The Vicious Babushka

Really good. Really, really good.

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ObserverArt  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:35:14pm

Abbott seems to have missed hearing a question from Brian Williams regarding Dan Patrick’s comments and the “person of interest” that got screwed over in this whole deal.

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Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:35:28pm

re: #113 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s Friday afternoon and this week has been shit.

This whole year has been shit.

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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:36:47pm

re: #131 Skip Intro

This whole year has been shit.

Really. From January 10th, when David Bowie died, through every week and month thereafter. This year has sucked bad.

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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:38:52pm

It’s trending on Twitter.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:41:07pm

trump released a video statement.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:41:27pm

People do love to mythologize cops.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:42:11pm

re: #134 Stanley Sea

trump released a video statement.

Probably took him 800 takes to get it right.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:43:10pm

re: #136 goddamnedfrank

Probably took him 800 takes to get it right.

make America safe again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:43:20pm

re: #133 MsJ

It’s trending on Twitter.

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And it’s still not true.

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Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:44:54pm

re: #134 Stanley Sea

trump released a video statement.

Pretending to be president again?

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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:44:56pm

re: #138 Backwoods_Sleuth

And it’s still not true.

I kinda figured since not one of those trending tweets has a source.

But really…this foking guy! :-)

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nines09  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:47:23pm

re: #2 lawhawk

Bratton has no reason to lie about the requests. Trump has every reason to lie about making the request.

So yeah, Trump’s lying here too. He wanted the backdrop of a sea of Blue on a day when cops across the nation are mourning the loss of their fellow officers in Dallas. It would make him look official and “presidential” in a way that a sea of aluminum scrap never could.

There is NOBODY that Trump would not throw under the bus. Nobody. Not one. Total POS.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:48:10pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:48:33pm

Mississippi Republican charged with attacking landscapers with a shovel after blocking them on road

A Mississippi Republican lawmaker is facing aggravated assault charges after he attacked two landscapers with a shovel following a dispute over the use of a road, reports WMC.

….

The attack didn’t surprised other neighbors in the neighborhood, with one man saying he had gone so far as to make a sign warning about the men.

“Jack was trying to get me to come out in the street and fight with him,” said local homeowner Dale Spikes before adding, “He’s the Chair of the Ethics committee, and that is very, very, scary.”

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:50:13pm

re: #141 nines09

There is NOBODY that Trump would not throw under the bus. Nobody. Not one. Total POS.

Maybe so, but he does have the best buses.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:50:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:50:54pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:51:23pm

And Baby Whiplash mistakes Hillary for someone else

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A Mom Anon  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:51:35pm

Well, I’m about done with human beings.

Someone I’ve known for 30 years just shared a bullshit post on her facebook page which goes a little like this:

A black guy (who wrote the post in October of last year) gets pulled over for a tailight that’s out. He has a concealed carry permit and a gun in the car. He interacts with the cop, tells him about the gun, there was a small paperwork glitch, was polite, etc, and so on and the cop was nice to him and let him go on with no problem therefore, no cop has ever fucked with a black guy unless he was a rude, vicious, drug dealing thug. The end. And no cop ever does anything wrong in White Girl Land and we all can live happily ever after. GAH! (very convenient story too….)

Or something. I also notice she’s all gun humpy now because her new boyfriend is and he got her a Glock for her birthday and they go to the range together every weekend on a date because it’s sexy or bonding or some shit.

I swear, I don’t think I have any friends anymore. Except my dog.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:52:28pm
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thedopefishlives  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:52:51pm

re: #148 A Mom Anon

Well, I’m about done with human beings.

Someone I’ve known for 30 years just shared a bullshit post on her facebook page which goes a little like this:

A black guy (who wrote the post in October of last year) gets pulled over for a tailight that’s out. He has a concealed carry permit and a gun in the car. He interacts with the cop, tells him about the gun, there was a small paperwork glitch, was polite, etc, and so on and the cop was nice to him and let him go on with no problem therefore, no cop has ever fucked with a black guy unless he was a rude, vicious, drug dealing thug. The end. And no cop ever does anything wrong in White Girl Land and we all can live happily ever after. GAH! (very convenient story too….)

Or something. I also notice she’s all gun humpy now because her new boyfriend is and he got her a Glock for her birthday and they go to the range together every weekend on a date because it’s sexy or bonding or some shit.

I swear, I don’t think I have any friends anymore. Except my dog.

I’ve seen that exact same post on about half a dozen of my friends’ walls over the last 6 months. I pretty much know it by heart. I wonder if it’s actually even true.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:53:34pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:53:57pm
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A Mom Anon  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:54:10pm

re: #150 thedopefishlives

Yeah, it sent my Bullshit Detector (which is finely honed from raising teenagers) into overdrive.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:54:21pm

re: #148 A Mom Anon

I have noticed a disturbing pattern among some of my friends that they will adopt their SO’s politics

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When I do find someone, I will be emphatic that they keep their own beliefs.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:54:58pm

re: #152 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m going to hell, but unfortunately, the headline made me laugh.

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Sherlock Hound  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:56:33pm

re: #152 klys (maker of Silmarils)

“Gotta catch ‘em all…” WAIT, WHAT?!

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thedopefishlives  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:56:58pm

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

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One of my FB friends’ other friends posted that the statistics are something like 171 white people, 100-odd black people, 40 Latinos, and then on down. The thing that’s missing from that analysis is that black people are only between 12.5% and 21.5% of the population, compared to whites who are between 72.5% and 81.5% (looking at Wikipedia’s demographic data, which has “White only”, “Black only”, and “Mixed/other race”). Pretty sure that the black people figure is way out of proportion to the racial distribution of the population.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:56:59pm

re: #156 Sherlock Hound

Hey, someone’s joining me!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:57:06pm

re: #156 Sherlock Hound

“Gotta catch ‘em all…” WAIT, WHAT?!

I’ve clearly been doing it wrong, because I’ve only found three (including the starter) and no bodies.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:57:34pm

re: #150 thedopefishlives

I’ve seen that exact same post on about half a dozen of my friends’ walls over the last 6 months. I pretty much know it by heart. I wonder if it’s actually even true.

Same bullshit. I wasn’t killed in a single incident with 1 Millionth of all the police in America, so obviously no unarmed black people are ever killed by cops in unjustified shootings.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:58:30pm

re: #159 klys (maker of Silmarils)

You all are going to make it so hard for me not to get it.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:58:33pm
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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 8, 2016 • 3:58:54pm

re: #148 A Mom Anon

Well, I’m about done with human beings.

Someone I’ve known for 30 years just shared a bullshit post on her facebook page which goes a little like this:

A black guy (who wrote the post in October of last year) gets pulled over for a tailight that’s out. He has a concealed carry permit and a gun in the car. He interacts with the cop, tells him about the gun, there was a small paperwork glitch, was polite, etc, and so on and the cop was nice to him and let him go on with no problem therefore, no cop has ever fucked with a black guy unless he was a rude, vicious, drug dealing thug. The end. And no cop ever does anything wrong in White Girl Land and we all can live happily ever after. GAH! (very convenient story too….)

Or something. I also notice she’s all gun humpy now because her new boyfriend is and he got her a Glock for her birthday and they go to the range together every weekend on a date because it’s sexy or bonding or some shit.

I swear, I don’t think I have any friends anymore. Except my dog.

Just out of curiosity, have you ever looked up if you have a “Drinking Liberally” chapter near you? (You’re not obligated to drink at meetings if you don’t want to). I was a co-host of the St. Louis chapter for awhile and met a lot of good people who I still call friends. I understand you live in a small town so it’s possible there isn’t a chapter near you, but it may be worth looking into. I went to a national meeting a few years ago and some of the best chapters were from the reddest areas because they so appreciated the camaraderie it offered.

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Jay C  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:00:23pm

re: #134 Stanley Sea

trump released a video statement.

Yeah, and his general demeanor and delivery gave the impression of either a bad actor reading off a blurry TelePrompTer, or a well- produced hostage video.
Somebody obviously pushed The Donald to at least TRY to come across as a rational human being: looks like they at least half-succeeded.

Twitter Donald - the obnoxious one - still seems more natural, though…

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VegasGolfer  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:00:25pm

re: #101 whitebeach

Yeah. Just came back. My mom picked me up from the airport and made me drive. I had to take a few seconds to get my bearings straight again after a couple weeks of doing it backwards. (Or are we doing it backwards?)

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A Mom Anon  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:03:30pm

re: #163 InfidelOfFreedom

I think I checked a couple of years ago and the nearest one met at Manuel’s Tavern in Atlanta, which is a long ass haul. (I think it closed down last year too, I am not sure). I’ll check again, you never know. Thanks, that’s a good idea.

(Edit: They meet in Decatur now, which is even farther, lol. I signed up for their email list though)

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nines09  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:04:53pm

re: #148 A Mom Anon

You are not alone. I think I was better off before facebook when I thought better of people and didn’t get to read their thoughts. It’s bad enough I did not forward amen and I’m going to hell. Or if I don’t like this Vet I’m a heartless prick. Or I was unaware I was the problem. Or if I vote anyone else but PIECE OF SHIT I am a PIECE OF SHIT.
Gets old. Fast.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:07:16pm

re: #164 Jay C

Yeah, and his general demeanor and delivery gave the impression of either a bad actor reading off a blurry TelePrompTer, or a well- produced hostage video.
Somebody obviously pushed The Donald to at least TRY to come across as a rational human being: looks like they at least half-succeeded.

Twitter Donald - the obnoxious one - still seems more natural, though…

So true, he’s already shown his real self. Any variation from the script is cartoonish.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:07:27pm
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Decatur Deb  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:08:21pm

re: #167 nines09

You are not alone. I think I was better off before facebook when I thought better of people and didn’t get to read their thoughts. It’s bad enough I did not forward amen and I’m going to hell. Or if I don’t like this Vet I’m a heartless prick. Or I was unaware I was the problem. Or if I vote anyone else but PIECE OF SHIT I am a PIECE OF SHIT.
Gets old. Fast.

There’s an app for that:

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:10:04pm

re: #166 A Mom Anon

I can understand not wanting to wade into Atlanta traffic for sure, but have fun and good luck if you do go!

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nines09  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:11:24pm

re: #170 Decatur Deb

There’s an app for that:
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The real answer is unfollow followed by unfriend followed by forgetting all about and ignoring. “Hey. Didn’t you get my FB post?” No. Bye.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:14:29pm

re: #171 InfidelOfFreedom

Yeah, it’s about 90 minutes away from me if there’s no traffic. Eeek. But still, they may do stuff besides meet up at the bar, so I’ll keep an eye on their email stuff.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:15:29pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:17:37pm

re: #167 nines09

You are not alone. I think I was better off before facebook when I thought better of people and didn’t get to read their thoughts. It’s bad enough I did not forward amen and I’m going to hell. Or if I don’t like this Vet I’m a heartless prick. Or I was unaware I was the problem. Or if I vote anyone else but PIECE OF SHIT I am a PIECE OF SHIT.
Gets old. Fast.

One thing I’ve done is to start choosing ‘Don’t See Posts From’ whatever stupid wingnut page my friend/relative has ‘liked’ This cut a lot of chaff out of my feed, especially from the Wingnut Cousin in West Virginia. I still see his ‘Only in WV’ posts and pics of his Dad (My great uncle Carl - he played with Glenn Miller and others!), and things that don’t get up my snoot.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:18:02pm

Random thought of the day… Remember in 2008 when the buzzword among pundits was “gravitas,” because it was determined that this was the Most Important Thing a candidate should have, and how McCain had it so much more than Obama? How curious that now with Trump as the Repub nominee, I haven’t heard this word once. So curious.

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nines09  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:18:08pm

Well I’m off to the High Life. Just got this gem. Looks legit.

Attention, We have deposited the check of your fund
($3.800`000.00USD) through Western Union department after our finally
meeting regarding your fund, All you will do is to contact Western Union
director DR Edward He will give you direction on how you will be receiving
the funds daily.Remember to send him your Full information to avoid wrong
transfer such as,Receiver’s Name_______________Address:
________________Country: _____________ Phone Number: _____________
Though, Mrs .Mary Nduba has sent $5000 in your name today so contact DR
Anthony or you call+229-9876-3*** him as soon as you receive this email and
tell him to give you the Mtcn, sender name and question/answer to pick the
$5000 Please let us know as soon as you received all your fund, Best
Regards. Mr Mr Mike joe Federal Ministry of Finance

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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:18:51pm

Satire but still….

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A Mom Anon  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:20:34pm

OK, I am outta here. I have to go tend to some more crap outside and then I am making Jack Daniels Lemonade slushy things because it’s Friday and I can. Have a good evening Lizards.

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BeachDem  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:21:31pm

re: #173 A Mom Anon

Yeah, it’s about 90 minutes away from me if there’s no traffic. Eeek. But still, they may do stuff besides meet up at the bar, so I’ll keep an eye on their email stuff.

See if there’s a Democratic Women’s Council or a Federation of Democratic Women group in your county. I swear, if it weren’t for my DWC friends here in south by dog carolina, I would totally lose my mind.

georgiademocraticwomen.com

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Sherlock Hound  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:22:13pm

re: #174 goddamnedfrank

It might be tangential, but I want to share this:

I’ve been very uncomfortable with worshiping cops or vets.
We just had a holiday which used to be my favorite (July 4th), but it’s become yet another holiday to worship the uniform. That’s my Facebook feed, full of people who didn’t serve, lecturing me on not serving and not bowing to a uniform.

I can’t say a thing about it, either. :(

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:22:51pm
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Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:22:52pm

re: #176 InfidelOfFreedom

Random thought of the day… Remember in 2008 when the buzzword among pundits was “gravitas,” because it was determined that this was the Most Important Thing a candidate should have, and how McCain had it so much more than Obama? How curious that now with Trump as the Repub nominee, I haven’t heard this word once. So curious.

I thought that was back in 1992 and referred to something Cheney supposedly had and Bush II didn’t.

Duh. Not 1992, 2000.

Stupid, stupid stupid.

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nines09  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:25:25pm

re: #182 goddamnedfrank

I think the sexual harassment charges against Bill-O-Bubble Head speak volumes on his faith.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:27:07pm

re: #183 Skip Intro

I thought that was back in 1992 and referred to something Cheney supposedly had and Bush II didn’t.

Perhaps! I was too young then to remember, but I have no doubt it has been recycled as necessary in service to the prevailing narrative.

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Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:28:19pm

re: #182 goddamnedfrank

This is Fox.

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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:28:44pm

re: #184 nines09

I think the sexual harassment charges against Bill-O-Bubble Head speak volumes on his faith.

He was just trying to take back control from Ailes making him bend over and take it so BillO could keep his job. Apparently that’s the Fox way.

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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:29:24pm

re: #186 Skip Intro

This is Fox.

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Proud trump supporter, I am sure.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:29:42pm

Donald is trying to make a *sadface*

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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:29:43pm

Jeopardy! time. Cheers! bbl

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nines09  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:29:56pm

re: #186 Skip Intro

I think REPUBLICAN LADY is on bad crank. I JUST THINK SO.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:31:15pm

re: #181 Sherlock Hound

The 4th is a very bittersweet holiday for me. My grandfather died of an aortic aneurysm six years ago now (they held off declaring until midnight, to try to save the holiday for the family) and it hit me hard again this year.

Grandpa was a vet and very pro-US. I didn’t see eye to eye with him on the politics, but I know that he put his money where his mouth was, so to speak, and served - 20 years military, another 20 civil service.

But for him, the 4th was about the country, not the vets in uniform.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:31:28pm

re: #135 goddamnedfrank

People do love to mythologize cops.

I think we all need to memorize this list from the article you linked to, for the next time we hear about how dangerous cops’ jobs are. They were number:

15 Police and sheriff’s patrol officers

behind:

1 Logging workers
2 Fishers and related fishing workers
3 Aircraft pilots and flight engineers
4 Roofers
5 Refuse and recyclable material collectors
6 Farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural managers
7 Structural iron and steel workers
8 Driver/sales workers and truck drivers
9 Electrical power-line installers and repairers
10 Taxi drivers and chauffeurs
11 First-line supervisors of construction trades and extraction workers
12 Construction laborers
13 First-line supervisors of landscaping, lawn service, and groundskeeping workers
14 Maintenance and repairs workers, general

I guess none of their lives matter?

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Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:31:32pm

re: #182 goddamnedfrank

And while we’re at it, he’s the full Bill O’Loofa comment.

O’Reilly: I’ll tell you why [religion’s] not a scam. In my opinion, all right? Tide goes in, tide goes out. Never a miscommunication. You can’t explain that. You can explain why the tide goes in…

Silverman: Tide goes in, tide goes out…?

O’Reilly: Yeah, see, the water — the tide comes in and it goes out, Mr. Silverman. It always goes in…

Silverman: Maybe it’s Thor up on Mount Olympus who’s making the tides go in and out…

O’Reilly: No no, but you can’t explain that… you can’t explain it…

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:31:46pm

re: #189 The Vicious Babushka

Well he managed to pull off “constipated.”

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Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:32:44pm

re: #188 MsJ

Proud trump supporter, I am sure.

Guaranteed.

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jaunte  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:34:33pm
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A Cranky One  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:34:56pm

Hey lizards.

Took your advice and had Mrs Cranky checked in the ER after the car accident. Other than a lot of bruising and muscle pain, the only injury was a busted finger (now in a brace). Feeling much less stressed now.

Car is at the body shop, waiting to hear if it’s repairable. Want to thank the nice guy who was behind Mrs Cranky’s car and witnessed the accident. He left his information and waited to speak to the cops. Thanks to his help, the police know the driver that hit Mrs Cranky ran a red light, causing the crash. The Mrs also feels better knowing she wasn’t in any way responsible.

Won’t say which finger Mrs Cranky busted, but will acknowledge that she’s having way too much fun showing it to people. ;-)

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:34:59pm

re: #183 Skip Intro

I thought that was back in 1992 and referred to something Cheney supposedly had and Bush II didn’t.

In 1988 it was charisma. Pappy Bush had it apparently (!) and Dukakis didn’t. At the time I said: “Whatever the hell ‘charisma’ is, if that’s true, who would want it?”

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Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:35:22pm

re: #195 InfidelOfFreedom

Well he managed to pull off “constipated.”

Where was the Trump of the United States official seal and the flags? Someone’s going to catch hell for that screw up.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:35:30pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:36:01pm

re: #198 A Cranky One

Very glad to hear that all is (relatively) well and that there were good humans out there today.

Especially today, it’s good to hear that.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:36:22pm

re: #201 Charles Johnson

DEMON LLAMA!

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nines09  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:36:57pm

re: #193 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Me. #8 40 plus years. Over 3 million miles. No chargeable. Lucky lucky boy. Retired and happy. You know that saying about rather be lucky than good? Believe it. Good can’t get you out of real deep, deep shit.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:37:20pm

re: #193 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I think we all need to memorize this list from the article you linked to, for the next time we hear about how dangerous cops’ jobs are. They were number:

15 Police and sheriff’s patrol officers

behind:

I guess none of their lives matter?

I like the Refuse / Recycling workers at #5, because for the lack of a better term it’s basically a low caste job here in the US. Nobody really gives a shit about them until they go on strike, then shit gets real quick. Nobody creates reality shows about sanitation workers and nobody aspires to that position in life, but it’s necessary, remarkably dangerous and society functionally falls apart pretty quick without them.

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Nyet  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:38:12pm

re: #201 Charles Johnson

Silent Hill Llamas.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:38:56pm

re: #201 Charles Johnson

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Shouldn’t the Schloogs have driven the llamas away by now?

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:39:21pm

re: #199 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

In 1988 it was charisma. Pappy Bush had it apparently (!) and Dukakis didn’t. At the time I said: “Whatever the hell ‘charisma’ is, if that’s true, who would want it?”

Hahaha… Lemme guess… When Bill Clinton ran, Republicans were no longer interested in talking about “charisma.”?

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BeachDem  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:39:38pm

And speaking of Newt and his oh so compassionate statement earlier—

Per Charles P. Pierce:

…I have been down this road before with some of these folks, and I’ve certainly been down the road with king charlatan N. Leroy Gingrich, Definer of civilization’s rules and Leader (perhaps) of the civilizing forces, often enough to be more than a little skeptical at the viability of these conversions going forward.

N. Leroy was all over every platform on Friday explaining how tough black folks have had it—never forgetting, however, to mention how those crazy black folk kill each other—when everyone who’s watched his career knows Gingrich’s would call for a return to the Missouri Compromise if he thought it would sell 20 more books. I’ll give Lewis and Wolf the benefit of the doubt, and good on them for what they wrote. However, whenever Gingrich launches into his tinhorn historian-as-Polonius spiel, I will continue to grab my wallet with both hands.

esquire.com

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wrenchwench  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:40:42pm

re: #198 A Cranky One

The Mrs also feels better knowing she wasn’t in any way responsible.

That made a big difference to me in my accident as well.

I’m glad to hear she’s OK. Must have been hit HARD for the other vehicle to be totaled.

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BeachDem  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:41:45pm

re: #209 BeachDem

And from the same Pierce piece, a perfect description of everyone’s favorite,

Kevin Williamson, of America’s longest-standing journal of white supremacy, to bring us back to some semblance of normality—which is to say, comparing apples to andirons and missing the point by approximately the distance from Dealey Plaza to the moons of Neptune.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:43:25pm

re: #210 wrenchwench

That made a big difference to me in my accident as well.

I’m glad to hear she’s OK. Must have been hit HARD for the other vehicle to be totaled.

Well, if the other driver ran a red light, usually they’re booking it. Saw one once where a driver intentionally running a red light nearly pancaked a motorcyclist. The biker, who was across from me, suddenly stopped and put up both middle fingers; I thought it was me, but then I saw the driver come flying through the intersection as I was starting to enter.

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Kragar  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:44:18pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:45:27pm

re: #205 goddamnedfrank

I like the Refuse / Recycling workers at #5, because for the lack of a better term it’s basically a low caste job here in the US. Nobody really gives a shit about them until they go on strike, then shit gets real quick. Nobody creates reality shows about sanitation workers and nobody aspires to that position in life, but it’s necessary, remarkably dangerous and society functionally falls apart pretty quick without them.

Amen. I was otherwise particularly struck by:

13 First-line supervisors of landscaping, lawn service, and groundskeeping workers

while the actual groundskeepers were at 16. What’s going on there, I wonder.

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wrenchwench  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:46:22pm

[…]

Blaine Cooper (real name: Stanley Blaine Hicks) was arrested on February 11 for his role in the 40-day occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Burns, Oregon, and remains in jail in Portland.

Prior to his arrest, Cooper, 37, lived with his wife and their two daughters in Humbolt, off Interstate 17 east of Prescott, where he frequently partook in anti-Islam activism with his good friend, ex-Marine Jon Ritzheimer. YouTube videos show he also claimed to patrol the U.S.-Mexico border to stop cartel activity.

Cooper and Ritzheimer drove to Oregon in January to take part in a protest of a federal judge’s decision to send two local ranchers to jail for illegally setting fires on federal land. Somehow in the course of that protest, a group of self-described patriots led by Ammon Bundy — son of infamous Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy — took over the unoccupied wildlife refuge and refused to leave.

[…]

Plea deal attached at the link.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:47:26pm

re: #210 wrenchwench

That made a big difference to me in my accident as well.

I’m glad to hear she’s OK. Must have been hit HARD for the other vehicle to be totaled.

Well, the front on modern cars is designed to fold up—the side, not so much….

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Kragar  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:48:23pm

re: #213 Kragar

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wrenchwench  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:49:13pm

re: #214 Charles Johnson

Slideshow of images from recently posted tweets.

Llamas! Shirtless guy! And El Chapo and stuff.

Cool!

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nines09  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:49:24pm

re: #218 Kragar

It’s clear………………………….to me that we………………………………..should……………uh………..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:50:20pm

re: #198 A Cranky One

The TV-smashing arm-breaking cat says it wasn’t her fault:

wut?
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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:51:15pm

re: #215 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Amen. I was otherwise particularly struck by:

while the actual groundskeepers were at 16. What’s going on there, I wonder.

I can’t say for sure, but I handle workers’ comp cases for a living and most of the injuries we’ve seen for these kind of workers come from falling limbs/trees or accidents with machinery (chainsaws and mowers).

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:51:59pm

re: #221 Backwoods_Sleuth

The TV-smashing arm-breaking cat says it wasn’t her fault:

Image: wut?

I still remember when you found them which is making me feel old. (I know. I’ll shut up now.)

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nines09  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:52:34pm

re: #215 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’ll play devil’s advocate and say they were giving directions to the hired hands when it all went to hell. With power tools and mechanized blades. Chain saws. Trees. Power lines. Gas lines. It’s hard to hear “LOOK OUT” over a 500 HP mower.

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A Cranky One  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:53:35pm

re: #210 wrenchwench

That made a big difference to me in my accident as well.

I’m glad to hear she’s OK. Must have been hit HARD for the other vehicle to be totaled.

Surprised me how much better she felt hearing she wasn’t in any way responsible.

Officer I spoke to estimated the car that hit Mrs Cranky was going over 40 mph. No skid marks or indication of trying to slow down. The whole front of the car was collapsed almost to the windshield (it was a small Honda). Saw that car before I saw the spouse’s car and it scared me. Luckily, it hit the passenger side of Mrs Cranky’s car instead of the driver’s side, or things would be much worse. I’m wondering if the other driver was texting or otherwise distracted, since there was no indication of trying to stop or even slow down for the light.

Thanks again lizards for the support!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:54:00pm

re: #221 Backwoods_Sleuth

The TV-smashing arm-breaking cat says it wasn’t her fault:

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I’ll always have a soft spot for gray cats because of my Spooky (1962-1973: R.I.P.). I had him from the ages of 9 to 21—so, a pretty formative part of my life.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:55:20pm

re: #107 ObserverArt

Abbott is thanking The White House…for reaching out and speaking with him and expressing sorrow and help. Funny, he never mentioned who lives in the White House.

Buildings don’t reach out and speak, people do.

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Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:55:51pm

Oh dear, James O’Keefe pal and Progressives Today author Michael Strickland pulls gun on crowd, gets arrested (but not shot).

Man pulls gun at Don’t Shoot PDX protesting US police shootings

A man pulled a gun near hundreds of people taking part in a Don’t Shoot PDX protest Thursday evening and was later taken into custody by law enforcement officers in tactical gear.

Michael Strickland, 36, is facing misdemeanor menacing and second-degree disorderly conduct charges, according to jail records. He was booked into the Multnomah County Detention Center late Thursday night, and then released on his own recognizance, jail and court records show.

Strickland will be arraigned Friday afternoon, Portland police said in a news release. Police identified Strickland as the man allegedly menacing people with a gun.

oregonlive.com

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Sherlock Hound  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:57:31pm

re: #215 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Amen. I was otherwise particularly struck by:

while the actual groundskeepers were at 16. What’s going on there, I wonder.

On Reddit, I read about a horrible accident. A 17-year-old boy was working with a woodchipper. He tried to use his foot to kick the material into the chute.

He was caught, and died right there. It was his first day on the job.

The owner of the company witnessed it, and had a literal heart attack on the spot.

That list is collated in blood.

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gwangung  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:58:29pm

re: #228 Skip Intro

Oh dear, James O’Keefe pal and Progressives Today author Michael Strickland pulls gun on crowd, gets arrested (but not shot).

Embedded Image

Man pulls gun at Don’t Shoot PDX protesting US police shootings

oregonlive.com

Apparently this asshole makes a habit of harassing people of color.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:58:50pm

Goldie:

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:58:54pm

july 8th 2016:

Trump Makes It Through A Nationwide Crisis Without Being A Giant Dick

paul manafort sacrifices a goat in thanks and wonders how long it can last

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majii  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:58:56pm

re: #218 Kragar

I read a post on Allan Colmes’ site today stating that members of Trump’s campaign have decided to begin limiting his media appearances. It’s probably because they realize that Trump suffers from persistent ”foot in mouth disease.” I’ve seen this move before. I recall that in 2008, the McCain Campaign decided to try limiting Palin’s interactions with the MSM, but it was too late. The crazy had already escaped and was making its rounds throughout America. I also think it’s too late for Trump’s campaign staffers to attempt to make a pivot and make him appear to be more presidential that he is capable of being. I think his video statement on the deaths in Minnesota, Louisiana, and in Dallas are his feeble, awkward attempt to change public opinion, but I don’t think it will work because his crazy has already been witnessed, and until now, he’s made no attempt to appear thoughtful about any issue. I think it’s way too late to try to put the cray cray genie back into the bottle.

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A Cranky One  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:59:23pm

re: #221 Backwoods_Sleuth

The TV-smashing arm-breaking cat says it wasn’t her fault:

Image: wut?

Yes, I owe the kitty an apology. It’s only you she’s trying to kill. ;-)

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InfidelOfFreedom  Jul 8, 2016 • 4:59:45pm

re: #224 nines09

I’ll play devil’s advocate and say they were giving directions to the hired hands when it all went to hell. With power tools and mechanized blades. Chain saws. Trees. Power lines. Gas lines. It’s hard to hear “LOOK OUT” over a 500 HP mower.

I hate to say it, but there’s also a possibility that a supervisor is more likely to feel comfortable reporting an injury to management. The lower down the totem pole people go, the less likely they are to risk their job by reporting an injury. Lots of people will ignore injuries or treat on their own to avoid being terminated or retaliated against.

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wrenchwench  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:00:30pm

I better git if I’m going to walk home in the rain. Won’t last long.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:01:33pm
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majii  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:01:34pm

re: #221 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL. You keep picking on that innocent-looking baby! Just look at her! Those eyes just melt your heart and tell you she’s totally innocent! There’s no way such a harmless looking baby could be guilty of the things you’re accusing her of doing. /s/

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Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:01:57pm

re: #218 Kragar

“Nobody reads a script better than me many people say. They say ‘Donald, you could be the best actor in the world, won a dozen Oscars, put dozens of leading men out of work’ they tell me. “

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:02:57pm

Though it’s an incredibly stupid thing to do, calling a NY cop a liar is still not nearly the most incredibly stupid thing Trump has ever done.

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Teukka  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:03:51pm

re: #201 Charles Johnson

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:03:54pm

re: #223 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I still remember when you found them which is making me feel old. (I know. I’ll shut up now.)

Imagine how old it makes ME feel???

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nines09  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:03:58pm

re: #235 InfidelOfFreedom

It was deaths being totaled, not injuries. But you are correct and I witnessed that many a time. “Well, you can go on up to HR, but you know, they might think that….”

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:04:05pm

re: #230 gwangung

That idiot was lucky he wasn’t shot for drawing his piece.

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Nyet  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:04:24pm

re: #231 Stanley Sea

Oh, Shabazz. Of course.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:04:36pm

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

Imagine how old it makes ME feel???

…older than me?

/ducks

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:07:17pm

re: #237 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

For a second there I thought they meant…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:07:41pm

re: #226 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’ll always have a soft spot for gray cats because of my Spooky (1962-1973: R.I.P.). I had him from the ages of 9 to 21—so, a pretty formative part of my life.

Growler (that’s her name) is a black cat.
These days she looks like one of those Egyptian tomb black cat statues.
Apparently she also carries an ancient curse as well…

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:08:53pm

I haven’t made a pie in a long time because I have been trying to cut down on sugar, but, here is a Key Lime Pie (I already sampled it)

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Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:09:21pm

re: #230 gwangung

Apparently this asshole makes a habit of harassing people of color.

I wonder if a black guy would be released on his own recognizance after pulling a gun on a crowd.

Stupid question. Of course he wouldn’t; he’d be dead.

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GrantS  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:09:55pm

I know this is just another little lie by Trump, but I seriously have to wonder if all those little lies will eventually catch up to him resulting in something worse than being down 5-9 points. He is going to say something that will break that back of his loyal supporters and they will turn from him. Even a stubborn person eventually sees the light if it keeps being flashed in their eyes.

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Nyet  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:10:57pm

re: #249 The Vicious Babushka

(I already sampled it)

You mean, one half of it is already gone? ///

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nines09  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:11:32pm

re: #221 Backwoods_Sleuth

When I first saw that cat earlier today all I could think was “grenade, pin pulled.” You know it’s going to go off.
I know how I’m going to die. My dog. He will either trip me up, or roll a ball under my feet at the top of the basement stairs and I will go crashing down them. Then he will sit there, and as I lay motionless staring up at him unable to move, he will push that ball, or another ball down the stairs. Bounce, bounce……bounce…….bounce…and it will hit me in the face and he will sit and wait for me to throw it back upstairs as I fade to black..

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Nyet  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:11:50pm

We have our own eggs. Little green eggs ;)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:11:53pm

re: #246 klys (maker of Silmarils)

…older than me?

/ducks

get off all of my lawns….

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:12:39pm

re: #233 majii

I read a post on Allan Colmes’ site today stating that members of Trump’s campaign have decided to begin limiting his media appearances. It’s probably because they realize that Trump suffers from persistent ”foot in mouth disease.” I’ve seen this move before. I recall that in 2008, the McCain Campaign decided to try limiting Palin’s interactions with the MSM, but it was too late. The crazy had already escaped and was making its rounds throughout America. I also think it’s too late for Trump’s campaign staffers to attempt to make a pivot and make him appear to be more presidential that he is capable of being. I think his video statement on the deaths in Minnesota, Louisiana, and in Dallas are his feeble, awkward attempt to change public opinion, but I don’t think it will work because his crazy has already been witnessed, and until now, he’s made no attempt to appear thoughtful about any issue. I think it’s way too late to try to put the cray cray genie back into the bottle.

a reasonable, presidential trump is a trump who bores or even offends his base

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Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:13:06pm

re: #228 Skip Intro

Oh dear, James O’Keefe pal and Progressives Today author Michael Strickland pulls gun on crowd, gets arrested (but not shot).

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Man pulls gun at Don’t Shoot PDX protesting US police shootings

oregonlive.com

Wow. He also posts at Gateway Pundit!

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Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:13:39pm

re: #255 Backwoods_Sleuth

get off all of my lawns….

Out West we call them brown, dusty dry patches of dead stuff.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:14:27pm

re: #258 Skip Intro

Out West we call them brown, dusty dry patches of dead stuff.

green spray paint can fix that.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:14:33pm

re: #249 The Vicious Babushka

I haven’t made a pie in a long time because I have been trying to cut down on sugar, but, here is a Key Lime Pie (I already sampled it)

“Must have a slice now!!!
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Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:14:52pm

OK. That one HAS to be an LGF post.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:16:42pm

I’m going OT since there’s a new post coming up.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:16:59pm
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stpaulbear  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:18:37pm

re: #251 GrantS

I know this is just another little lie by Trump, but I seriously have to wonder if all those little lies will eventually catch up to him resulting in something worse than being down 5-9 points. He is going to say something that will break that back of his loyal supporters and they will turn from him. Even a stubborn person eventually sees the light if it keeps being flashed in their eyes.

I’m kind of hoping that this story comes to the fore (Mother Jones via Balloon Juice):

…the presumptive GOP nominee also has a tremendous load of debt that includes five loans each over $50 million. (The disclosure form, which presidential candidates must submit, does not compel candidates to reveal the specific amount of any loans that exceed $50 million, and Trump has chosen not to provide details.) Two of those megaloans are held by Deutsche Bank, which is based in Germany but has US subsidiaries. And this prompts a question that no other major American presidential candidate has had to face: What are the implications of the chief executive of the US government being in hock for $100 million (or more) to a foreign entity that has tried to evade laws aimed at curtailing risky financial shenanigans, that was recently caught manipulating markets around the world, and that attempts to influence the US government?

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Shimshon  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:19:21pm

re: #208 InfidelOfFreedom

Hahaha… Lemme guess… When Bill Clinton ran, Republicans were no longer interested in talking about “charisma.”?

And when Obama ran he was inexperienced and no religious. Then Trump runs and… suddenly they don’t care. Just sports fans rooting for their team that they think is the party of Christianity.

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TedStriker  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:20:39pm

re: #215 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Amen. I was otherwise particularly struck by:

while the actual groundskeepers were at 16. What’s going on there, I wonder.

The first-line/site supervisors tend to be the ones to be running the really big, really dangerous equipment.

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Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:20:59pm

re: #257 Charles Johnson

I wonder if Hoft is going to make his bail?

State successfully argued for Michael Strickland’s bail to be set at $250,000 and he was taken into custody in court

Sometimes I just crack myself up.

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lawhawk  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:21:50pm

re: #257 Charles Johnson

It’s a small world after all… the right wing extremist circle is a tight one indeed, what with this guy associating with O’Keefe, Progs Today and Hoft.

And it’s not a far leap over to Daleidin and Lila Rose either.

Didn’t someone do an association chart between all these extremists a while back. Guess we need to update it to include this guy.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:22:32pm

re: #257 Charles Johnson

He’s locked up on $250,000 bail and had an additional two felony charges slapped on him:

Michael Strickland, the 36-year-old man accused of pulling a gun on Don’t Shoot PDX protesters marching outside Portland’s Justice Center, had a round in the chamber of the loaded handgun he swept in front of the crowd and five other magazines of ammunition on him Thursday night, according to court records.

Multnomah County deputy district attorney Kate Molina Friday successfully argued for Strickland’s bail to be set at $250,000 after two felony counts of unlawful possession of a firearm were added to misdemeanor allegations of menacing and second-degree disorderly conduct.

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Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:24:24pm

re: #269 Eric The Fruit Bat

He’s locked up on $250,000 bail and had an additional two felony charges slapped on him.

I think I’m seeing Rage Furby’s future.

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A Cranky One  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:24:41pm

re: #258 Skip Intro

Out West we call them brown, dusty dry patches of dead stuff.

Mrs Cranky’s gardens keep growing and the lawn shrinking. I keep telling her she needs to leave some grass for the dogs, but it’s a losing battle.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:24:43pm

re: #262 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’ve yet to have any funny ones, though the Venonat that was camped out on the hood of my wife’s car was ironically fitting.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:24:56pm

Just pardon the cabrón already! For one thing it would save Mexico a mierda-load of money.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:25:30pm

re: #269 Eric The Fruit Bat

He’s locked up on $250,000 bail and had an additional two felony charges slapped on him.

Michael Strickland, the 36-year-old man accused of pulling a gun on Don’t Shoot PDX protesters marching outside Portland’s Justice Center, had a round in the chamber of the loaded handgun he swept in front of the crowd and five other magazines of ammunition on him Thursday night, according to court records.

jeebus

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Stanley Sea  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:25:35pm

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

Growler (that’s her name) is a black cat.
These days she looks like one of those Egyptian tomb black cat statues.
Apparently she also carries an ancient curse as well…

Bastet.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:25:53pm

re: #271 A Cranky One

Ahh. But the gardens are beautiful.

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lawhawk  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:26:14pm

re: #273 De Kolta Chair

My guess is that’s based on the same scam news site that got me earlier today. It was a site that added .co after the domain suffix.

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Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:26:53pm

re: #268 lawhawk

It’s a small world after all… the right wing extremist circle is a tight one indeed, what with this guy associating with O’Keefe, Progs Today and Hoft.

And it’s not a far leap over to Daleidin and Lila Rose either.

Didn’t someone do an association chart between all these extremists a while back. Guess we need to update it to include this guy.

I have to wonder if O’Keefe is going to show up pretending to be his lawyer. I’m trying to imagine the costume he would wear.

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lawhawk  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:27:44pm

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

Because nothing says gun safety as waving a loaded gun around in a crowd with a round in the chamber.

This guy apparently has been agitating for a confrontation at these protests so as to become the news story - that’s anything but being a journalist. That’s being a professional agitator of the kind the right wing is constantly claiming is working behind the BLM movement.

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lawhawk  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:28:28pm

re: #278 Skip Intro

British barrister - wig and robes.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:28:34pm

re: #277 lawhawk

My guess is that’s based on the same scam news site that got me earlier today. It was a site that added .co after the domain suffix.

;-) National Enquirer levels of click bait over there.

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Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:28:44pm

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m sure he’ll be making some nice new friends in jail.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:31:03pm

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

I bet he isn’t near the big mouth, tough talker without his gun in the slammer. And if he is, someone is going to fuck him up good.

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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:43:01pm

re: #244 Eric The Fruit Bat

That idiot was lucky he wasn’t shot for drawing his piece.

Not lucky. Just white. I hate putting it like that, but it’s kind of true.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:46:33pm

re: #182 goddamnedfrank

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That makes sense. Photos of O’Reilly in ’70s polyester show his devotion to retrograde thought.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:51:30pm

re: #231 Stanley Sea

SPLC is likely get requests from the Marshals and FBI for information on these groups.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:57:50pm

re: #230 gwangung

Apparently this asshole makes a habit of harassing people of color.

Then this event will reduce his commute considerably.


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