Gateway Pundit/Progressives Today Blogger Arrested for Pulling Gun at Oregon Protest

Far right blogger menaces protesters with handgun, is arrested and charged with two felonies
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Gateway Pundit/Progressives Today blogger Michael Strickland

Last night in Portland, Oregon, a man identified as a “conservative blogger” was arrested when he pulled a gun and menaced people at a Don’t Shoot PDX protest.

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A man pulled a gun near hundreds of people taking part in a Don’t Shoot PDX protest Thursday evening and was later taken into custody by law enforcement officers in tactical gear.

Michael Strickland, 36, is facing misdemeanor menacing and second-degree disorderly conduct charges, according to jail records. He was booked into the Multnomah County Detention Center late Thursday night, and then released on his own recognizance, jail and court records show.

Strickland will be arraigned Friday afternoon, Portland police said in a news release. Police identified Strickland as the man allegedly menacing people with a gun.

Some more info from his arraignment today: Man accused of pulling gun on Portland protesters was armed with multiple magazines of ammo, prosecutor says.

Michael Strickland, the 36-year-old man accused of pulling a gun on Don’t Shoot PDX protesters marching outside Portland’s Justice Center, had a round in the chamber of the loaded handgun he swept in front of the crowd and five other magazines of ammunition on him Thursday night, according to court records.

Multnomah County deputy district attorney Kate Molina Friday successfully argued for Strickland’s bail to be set at $250,000 after two felony counts of unlawful possession of a firearm were added to misdemeanor allegations of menacing and second-degree disorderly conduct.

Four sheriff’s deputies then placed him in handcuffs and led him to jail directly from arraignment court at the Justice Center.

Of course I was curious to know which conservative blogs this alleged felon writes for, and guess where I found him?

If you guessed Gateway Pundit, home of Jim Hoft, the fabled Stupidest Man on the Internet, you win. He’s written many posts for Hoft.

Here’s the link to the Gateway Pundit index of Strickland’s articles, which often prominently featured guns, oddly enough: Michael Strickland, Author at The Gateway Pundit.

And here’s his index at Progressives Today, another far right propaganda site started by the SMOTI: Michael Strickland, Author at Progressives Today.

These are the people mainlining hatred to the right wing base 24/7 — unhinged, armed, paranoid loons.

And we should note that a white guy brandishing a loaded gun was taken into custody without being harmed.

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648 comments

1
De Kolta Chair  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:30:25pm

Speaking of RW assholes, what’s Chucky up to these days?

2
Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:30:41pm

Oddly, I don’t see any mention of this breaking story over at DimJim’s sewer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:31:44pm
Michael Strickland, the 36-year-old man accused of pulling a gun on Don’t Shoot PDX protesters marching outside Portland’s Justice Center, had a round in the chamber of the loaded handgun he swept in front of the crowd and five other magazines of ammunition on him Thursday night, according to court records.

oregonlive.com

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Virginia Dreaming  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:32:07pm

So, does this make him the bad guy with a gun, the good guy with a gun, or just a dangerous asshole?

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nines09  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:32:35pm

Cops in tactical gear, day after Dallas, man with gun, not shot…..What am I missing?

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:33:23pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

oregonlive.com

I wonder how hard it was for him to not pull the trigger?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:33:45pm

He’s goddamed lucky no one shot him when he pulled out that piece.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:33:56pm

Here is a longer video. Strickland says he “wants to leave” but he’s “afraid to turn his back”on the crowd and the protest leaders are trying to keep people away from him.

Man pulls gun on crowd of Portland protesters

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lawhawk  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:34:02pm

He isn’t a journalist. He’s a professional agitator who was hoping to get into a conflict with actual demonstrators/protesters by acting aggressively and antagonistically with the protests so as to diminish the protests by showing the violence/hate.

And I’m shocked. Shocked! That a so-called gun expert would wave around a loaded gun in a crowd with a round in the chamber. That’s so gun safety that it burns…

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lawhawk  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:34:40pm

re: #4 Virginia Dreaming

Dangerous asshole.

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Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:35:25pm

He’ll be making lots of new friends in prison.

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majii  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:36:26pm

Michael Strickland was “itching for a fight,” and he got one. It just wasn’t the one he was hoping for.

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stpaulbear  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:37:07pm

re: #5 nines09

Cops in tactical gear, day after Dallas, man with gun, not shot…..What am I missing?

That it happened before Dallas.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:37:20pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

oregonlive.com

More:

Multnomah County deputy district attorney Kate Molina Friday successfully argued for Strickland’s bail to be set at $250,000 after two felony counts of unlawful possession of a firearm were added to misdemeanor allegations of menacing and second-degree disorderly conduct.

Four sheriff’s deputies then placed him in handcuffs and led him to jail directly from arraignment court at the Justice Center.

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Virginia Dreaming  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:38:20pm

re: #5 nines09

He was probably too pale to see?

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Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:38:37pm

re: #10 lawhawk

Dangerous asshole.

Little chickenshit asshole.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:39:23pm

re: #16 Skip Intro

Little small-dick chickenshit asshole.

FIFY.

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stpaulbear  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:40:13pm

re: #4 Virginia Dreaming

So, does this make him the bad guy with a gun, the good guy with a gun, or just a dangerous asshole?

Loose cannon with a gun? That mugshot seems to capture the moment when he realizes how truely fucked he is.

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A Cranky One  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:40:21pm

Well, no one will be able to claim he’s not a real convictservative once he’s in jail.

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Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:40:34pm

re: #17 Eric The Fruit Bat

Little small-dick chickenshit asshole.

FIFY.

And it’s all on video for the world to see. Time to go back to mom’s basement (when you get out of jail).

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:40:42pm

re: #5 nines09

Cops in tactical gear, day after Dallas, man with gun, not shot…..What am I missing?

This happened last night, around the same time the shooting started in Dallas

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Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:43:18pm

I wonder if he’s memorized Cliven Bundy’s “Let me tell you about the negro” screed to entertain his new jail buddies.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:43:48pm

Judging by the bios he’s undoubtedly got a fetish about guns and shooting people, so I’m probably not too far off in comparing his little public outburst to Jason “Kony 2012” Russell whacking his weasel on a San Diego street corner.

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Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:44:48pm

re: #1 De Kolta Chair

Speaking of RW assholes, what’s Chucky up to these days?

Probably waiting for the HAW to fall asleep so he can look for change in her bag.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:45:24pm

He now has two felony counts of unlawful possession of a firearm - so it was apparently an unregistered gun.

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lawhawk  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:45:26pm

One has to wonder if prosecutors might consider expanding their reach a bit to see if he was there as part of a conspiracy to agitate a violent encounter. You know, with the toxic trio of O’Keefe, Hoft, and Progs Today.

This kind of thing doesn’t happen in a vacuum.

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BeachDem  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:45:28pm

Just noticed this little tidbit:

In its case, the state also said there was an undercover cop in the crowd threatened by Strickland.

rawstory.com

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Stanley Sea  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:45:48pm

So incredibly dangerous. The talisman that is the gun just doesn’t seem to scare the carrier anymore.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:48:00pm

re: #24 Skip Intro

Probably waiting for the HAW to fall asleep so he can look for change in her bag.

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BeachDem  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:48:08pm

re: #22 Skip Intro

I wonder if he’s memorized Cliven Bundy’s “Let me tell you about the negro” screed to entertain his new jail buddies.

Welp, here’s who some of his new jail buddies are:

Strickland will remain in jail where he might bump into some kindred spirits. Currently also jailed in Multnomah County are Ammon and Ryan Bundy, the two leaders of the armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, as well as many of their followers as they await trial set for September 7.

rawstory.com

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Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:48:10pm

re: #27 BeachDem

I hadn’t realized he’ll be with the Bundy boys. Good times.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:51:04pm

re: #30 BeachDem

Welp, here’s who some of his new jail buddies are:

Strickland will remain in jail where he might bump into some kindred spirits. Currently also jailed in Multnomah County are Ammon and Ryan Bundy, the two leaders of the armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, as well as many of their followers as they await trial set for September 7.

rawstory.com

September 7th, my birthday. This birthday I can start taking advantage of the 55+ dinner discounts.

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Cheechako  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:51:05pm

re: #11 Skip Intro

He’ll be making lots of new friends in prison.

He might even get to bunk with the Bundys. They’re in the same hoosegow.

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sauceruney  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:51:35pm

I guess one could argue living in the conservative bubble of fear is a Gateway to prison.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:52:11pm

re: #8 The Vicious Babushka

That video goes a long way towards explaining why I don’t do protest crowds anymore. Too many random assholes in one place, no discernible hierarchy of decision making and shit can go south so goddamned fast that it’s easy to get caught in the middle of it without any clue what the fuck is going on. I did the WTO Battle in Seattle ‘99, got to experience the black block, giant puppets, panicky fuckwits, rubber bullets and military grade tear gas first hand (the SPD ran out mid day and actually sent to Ft Lewis for resupply.) It’s a good experience to go through once and while I value the role street level protestors play in our democracy holy shit never again.

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majii  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:52:20pm

I’m not buying his claim that he was afraid to turn his back on protesters and leave the scene when he was the only civilian on-scene who was not only armed, but had drawn his weapon and was prepared to fire wildly into a crowd of people. I’m glad an undercover police officer witnessed everything Strickland did.

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A Cranky One  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:52:59pm

The idiot had a round in the chamber. That’s the type of thing that scares me about many of the open/concealed carry idiots. A round in the chamber is an invitation for an unintentional discharge. And yet these morons ignore basic safety and walk around, an accident waiting to happen.

How many kids hurt/killed in unsecured gun situations would still be alive if their parents hadn’t chambered a round after loading the gun? In my opinion, that makes the “responsible gun owner” doubly guilty.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:53:17pm

re: #30 BeachDem

OMG, I’ve finally met my match. Forfeit!
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BeachDem  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:54:12pm

And there’s this, from an earlier article:

Strickland is involved with a YouTube channel, Laughing at Liberals, which shows up at leftist protests to film people and put them online.

And this (sounding more like Rage Furby—who, by the way, where is he? He was on a plane going somewhere)

Kerensa claims, “Strickland takes pictures of women and minorities, puts them online with their names and addresses. He stalks them and harasses them.”

Wonder who “Jessie” is:

Strickland and another man, who gave his name as Jessie, were both arrested and hauled away.

rawstory.com

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stpaulbear  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:55:17pm

re: #33 Cheechako

He might even get to bunk with the Bundys. They’re in the same hoosegow.

I bet he tries to get their autographs.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:55:48pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

And the Raw Story article states it’s a Class A felony, with a max penalty of 20 years on each charge. Didn’t know that to practice journalism you needed a unregistered firearm and multiple magazines…

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majii  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:58:06pm

re: #39 BeachDem

He now has to find another hobby other than filming women and minorities, asking their names, and posting their information to YouTube. I suggest his new YouTube Channel bear the title. “I’m Now a Jailbird.”

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Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:58:07pm
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De Kolta Chair  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:58:16pm

re: #41 Eric The Fruit Bat

Didn’t know that to practice journalism you needed a unregistered firearm and multiple magazines…

That’s because you didn’t work for the Arizona Republic during the ’60s and ’70s.

// A little AZ press humor there.

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lawhawk  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:58:36pm

Well, what do you know. Trump campaign did contact the NYPD to have that press get.

Of course, now watch Trump try to claim that the guy who made the advance to the NYPD wasn’t authorized to do so (but probably was).

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BeachDem  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:59:07pm

re: #41 Eric The Fruit Bat

And the Raw Story article states it’s a Class A felony, with a max penalty of 20 years on each charge. Didn’t know that to practice journalism you needed a unregistered firearm and multiple magazines…

And if this is true, don’t think I’d call it journalism

Kerensa claims, “Strickland takes pictures of women and minorities, puts them online with their names and addresses. He stalks them and harasses them.”

I don’t think I’d call what he does journalism in any case.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:59:15pm

You can just smell the hallucinatory mixture of idiocy and testosterone coming off Strickland and all the dudes following him. What a fucking shit show.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:59:33pm

Only charged with menacing? When I was on a jury they charged the defendant with Assault just for brandishing a knife.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 8, 2016 • 5:59:54pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

oregonlive.com

Michael Strickland, the 36-year-old man accused of pulling a gun on Don’t Shoot PDX protesters marching outside Portland’s Justice Center, had a round in the chamber of the loaded handgun he swept in front of the crowd and five other magazines of ammunition on him Thursday night, according to court records.

See, this is the point I try to make to everybody who gasses on about “protecting yourself” with a handgun. That, there, in that video, locked and loaded, round in the chamber, finger on the trigger, afraid to face in one direction because the Bad Guys could be behind you—that’s the only way it could work. But…even if your reflexes are instantaneous, and you have 360˚ vision…the Bad Guys know what they’re going to do before you see them do it. They’re always going to have the drop on you. Always.

Now try to imagine a world where, instead of you having to live like that, the Bad Guys are much less likely to have a gun….

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Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:01:33pm

re: #40 stpaulbear

I bet he tries to get their autographs.

I bet they beat the shit out of him if he does.

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stpaulbear  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:01:50pm

re: #39 BeachDem

Wonder who “Jessie” is:

Jesse is the name of a guy who was trying to get Strickland to leave and keep people from attacking him. The video in comment #8 ends with an interview of Jesse after they released him at the site.

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Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:02:35pm

re: #45 lawhawk

His head of security called? So would that be Jr., Eric, or Ivanka?

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:02:48pm

re: #45 lawhawk

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Well, what do you know. Trump campaign did contact the NYPD to have that press get.

Of course, now watch Trump try to claim that the guy who made the advance to the NYPD wasn’t authorized to do so (but probably was).

Trump’s head of security may not be “part of the campaign” technically

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majii  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:03:15pm

re: #45 lawhawk

Anyone who opposes Trump gets attacked. I expect Trump to take to Twitter and call Bratton, other NYPD officials, and de Blasio liars. His paid mouthpiece Hope Hicks has already denied that Trump asked Bratton if he could attend the 3PM roll-call at the PD.

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William Lewis  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:03:46pm

re: #41 Eric The Fruit Bat

And the Raw Story article states it’s a Class A felony, with a max penalty of 20 years on each charge. Didn’t know that to practice journalism you needed a unregistered firearm and multiple magazines…

Well, if someone is carrying a semi-automatic pistol as a ccw, having a round chambered and the safety engaged with one or two normal magazines for reloads is a common practice. That said, this gentleman does not appear to be interested in best ccw practices but in incitement and then being able to kill after the riot he incited started - hence the extended magazines that are generally only of real use on the range but do increase his round count.

I really don’t care if he goes to prison or not. I just want to see his face when he’s convicted of a felony and realizes he can no longer legally own any firearm and that even picking out up is a federal crime good for 10 years in Club Fed.

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BeachDem  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:04:37pm

re: #52 Skip Intro

His head of security called? So would that be Jr., Eric, or Ivanka?

Supposedly Trump’s “head of security” Keith Schiller (from a TPM story about it)

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Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:04:43pm

re: #39 BeachDem

“Jessie” James obviously. These Hoft guys are some real tough hombres.

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BeachDem  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:05:31pm

re: #51 stpaulbear

Jesse is the name of a guy who was trying to get Strickland to leave and keep people from attacking him. The video in comment #8 ends with an interview of Jesse after they released him at the site.

Ah, thanks—didn’t watch the video because I just couldn’t take it.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:05:32pm
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nines09  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:05:46pm

re: #45 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Well, what do you know. Trump campaign did contact the NYPD to have that press get.

Of course, now watch Trump try to claim that the guy who made the advance to the NYPD wasn’t authorized to do so (but probably was).

Because Trump is a classy guy who would never do anything crass or self serving.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:06:04pm

re: #54 majii

Anyone who opposes Trump gets attacked. I expect Trump to take to Twitter and call Bratton, other NYPD officials, and de Blasio liars. His paid mouthpiece Hope Hicks has already denied that Trump asked Bratton if he could attend the 3PM roll-call at the PD.

Someone posted a tweet downstairs saying trump said Bratton and the Daily News were lying

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KGxvi  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:06:30pm

re: #49 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

See, this is the point I try to make to everybody who gasses on about “protecting yourself” with a handgun. That, there, in that video, locked and loaded, round in the chamber, finger on the trigger, afraid to face in one direction because the Bad Guys could be behind you—that’s the only way it could work. But…even if your reflexes are instantaneous, and you have 360˚ vision…the Bad Guys know what they’re going to do before you see them do it. They’re always going to have the drop on you. Always.

Now try to imagine a world where, instead of you having to live like that, the Bad Guys are much less likely to have a gun….

What really confuses me about the pantshitting fearfulness of this is that the odds of running into a Bad Guy are pretty fucking slim to begin with. I’m talking struck by lightening twice within an hour slim.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:06:34pm

re: #52 Skip Intro

His head of security called? So would that be Jr., Eric, or Ivanka?

Kerik.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:08:40pm

re: #54 majii

Anyone who opposes Trump gets attacked. I expect Trump to take to Twitter and call Bratton, other NYPD officials, and de Blasio liars. His paid mouthpiece Hope Hicks has already denied that Trump asked Bratton if he could attend the 3PM roll-call at the PD.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:08:46pm

re: #8 The Vicious Babushka

The cameraman really is an asshole though, inserting himself unnecessarily in the mix and then later addressing the cops out of the blue with “You can clearly see I have a camera please don’t shoot me.”

Bro, you’re white, ain’t nobody shooting you.

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KGxvi  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:09:17pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

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I’m not your friend, buddy…

Not your buddy, guy!

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majii  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:12:16pm

re: #61 FormerDirtDart

Saying someone else is lying is the preferred tactic Trump uses when he’s been caught lying.

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BeachDem  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:12:16pm

re: #56 BeachDem

Supposedly Trump’s “head of security” Keith Schiller (from a TPM story about it)

Keith Schiller, Trump’s director of security and longtime bodyguard…

A top security guard for Donald Trump smacked a protester in the face after the man chased him for snatching a banner Thursday, video shows.

He’s been with Trump for 16 years and was photographed restraining Vince McMahon of the WWE when he tried to attack Trump at a match in 2007.

nydailynews.com

He seems nice—but, of course, another Trump mouthpiece descibes him as

the kindest, most gentle man I’ve ever worked with.”

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KGxvi  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:12:24pm

Also, not sure if it’s been discussed today, but can we take a moment to marvel at Gingrich actually being right on race:

“It took me a long time, and a number of people talking to me through the years, to get a sense of this: If you are a normal, white American, the truth is you don’t understand being black in America and you instinctively under-estimate the level of discrimination and the level of additional risk,” he said during a CNN interview Friday.

Not to immediately go snarky on this, but saying stuff like this…

“It is more dangerous to be black in America,” Gingrich said. “It is more dangerous in that they are substantially more likely to end up in a situation where the police don’t respect you and you could easily get killed. And sometimes for whites it’s difficult to appreciate how real that is and how it’s an everyday danger.”

Is going to get him kicked out of the GOP.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:12:50pm

re: #35 goddamnedfrank

That video goes a long way towards explaining why I don’t do protest crowds anymore. Too many random assholes in one place, no discernible hierarchy of decision making and shit can go south so goddamned fast that it’s easy to get caught in the middle of it without any clue what the fuck is going on. I did the WTO Battle in Seattle ‘99, got to experience the black block, giant puppets, panicky fuckwits, rubber bullets and military grade tear gas first hand (the SPD ran out mid day and actually sent to Ft Lewis for resupply.) It’s a good experience to go through once and while I value the role street level protestors play in our democracy holy shit never again.

You were there? I never call myself “being there” because even then I was too old and fat to really keep up with the action, so I was just milling around the periphery, but that was an event, for sure.

Then the next week, Nelson Mandela was in town, whom if the WTO had had the kind of regulations they wanted in place a few years earlier, would still have been on Robben Island, because the sanctions that broke the Apartheid regime would have been illegal.

Gotta love Schizophrenic Seattle™.

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Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:13:47pm

re: #60 nines09

Because Trump is a classy guy who would never do anything crass or self serving.

Hope Hicks said “Mr. Trump and the campaign” meaning, of course that both would have had to ask for the statement to be true.

Trump is just misunderstood.

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Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:14:55pm

re: #69 KGxvi

He better not say that at the GOP convention. He’ll be torn to pieces.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:15:23pm

re: #69 KGxvi

It’s a cynical ploy to get support from the demographic where he knows Trump is weakest. Gingrich has a long history of bigoted comments and race-baiting, but he’ll say anything for political benefit.

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lawhawk  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:17:44pm

re: #69 KGxvi

Oh, I’ve posted and tweeted about that, as has Charles. Pretty marvelous that the media is fixated on the statement today, all while ignoring that Newt was guiding Trump in pushing back on the uproar over Trump’s anti-Semitic tweet. And Newt’s long history with dog whistles and beating down those least able to afford safety net cuts.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:18:12pm

re: #72 Skip Intro

He better not say that at the GOP convention. He’ll be torn to pieces.

i see wingnuts in comment sections saying newt is already ded ded ded to them nope uh-uh not gonna vote for him

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majii  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:18:23pm

re: #69 KGxvi

I think he may have just disqualified himself from the running to be chosen as Trump’s VP. Many on the right won’t like dispensing with the idea that we POC are lying when we speak about instances in which we’ve actually been targets of racism. Since it never/rarely happens to them, they, like CJ Roberts, seem to think racism in America is dead.

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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:18:30pm

re: #55 William Lewis

I really don’t care if he goes to prison or not. I just want to see his face when he’s convicted of a felony and realizes he can no longer legally own any firearm and that even picking out up is a federal crime good for 10 years in Club Fed.

Doesn’t sound like he cares much about legalities if he’s in trouble for having an unregistered weapon.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:20:02pm

re: #68 BeachDem

Keith Schiller, Trump’s director of security and longtime bodyguard…

A top security guard for Donald Trump smacked a protester in the face after the man chased him for snatching a banner Thursday, video shows.

He’s been with Trump for 16 years and was photographed restraining Vince McMahon of the WWE when he tried to attack Trump at a match in 2007.

nydailynews.com

He seems nice—but, of course, another Trump mouthpiece descibes him as

the kindest, most gentle man I’ve ever worked with.”

IIRC, it was the body guard’s relative who received some of the missing vet money once trump was pushed on it.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:20:07pm

re: #70 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

You were there? I never call myself “being there” because even then I was too old and fat to really keep up with the action, so I was just milling around the periphery, but that was an event, for sure.

Then the next week, Nelson Mandela was in town, whom if the WTO had had the kind of regulations they wanted in place a few years earlier, would still have been on Robben Island, because the sanctions that broke the Apartheid regime would have been illegal.

Gotta love Schizophrenic Seattle™.

Yeah, I was downtown with an amateur ass camera crew and got all kinds of footage. I still have the digital tapes around here somewhere. The whole thing was such a fucking mess, I had no idea what I was doing. I was so disorganized (never got releases, didn’t sync the DAT audio, etc), that I never edited it together into a viable project like I originally intended. Pretty embarrassing really.

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A Cranky One  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:20:16pm

re: #55 William Lewis

Well, if someone is carrying a semi-automatic pistol as a ccw, having a round chambered and the safety engaged with one or two normal magazines for reloads is a common practice. That said, this gentleman does not appear to be interested in best ccw practices but in incitement and then being able to kill after the riot he incited started - hence the extended magazines that are generally only of real use on the range but do increase his round count.

I really don’t care if he goes to prison or not. I just want to see his face when he’s convicted of a felony and realizes he can no longer legally own any firearm and that even picking out up is a federal crime good for 10 years in Club Fed.

The fact that “having a round chambered and the safety engaged with one or two normal magazines for reloads is a common practice.” is part of what scares me. And with regard to safeties:

“Currently, the most popular auto-pistols for carry are “striker-fired” guns: Glocks, Springfield XDs, Smith and Wesson M&Ps, and others. Although these guns do have various “passive” safety features, they generally have no manual safeties (except on models required by some police departments).” usconcealedcarry.com

In that article, they present many reasons why people may not want a safety or choose to walk around with the safety off, arguing it takes too long to whip out the gun and shoot if the safety is on. Same reason many have a round chambered.

The fact that they are much more likely to have an accidental discharge is hardly mentioned.

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stpaulbear  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:22:52pm

re: #77 MsJ

Doesn’t sound like he cares much about legalities if he’s in trouble for having an unregistered weapon.

Maybe he’ll realize that he’s dun’ fucked up his white privilege. Chuckie is eventually going to have his day too.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:23:36pm

re: #64 FormerDirtDart

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Notice how specifically that’s worded. He just called begging for a photo op—of course he didn’t know what that would be exactly, so he “never asked” to address the 3 P.M. roll call. Trufax!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:24:23pm

re: #73 Charles Johnson

Also the part where he implied you’re not a normal American if you’re not white.

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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:26:46pm

re: #69 KGxvi

Meh.

“It took me a long time, and a number of people talking to me through the years, to get a sense of this: If you are a normal, white American, the truth is you don’t understand being black in America and you instinctively under-estimate the level of discrimination and the level of additional risk,” he said during a CNN interview Friday.

Seems like there’s an underlying implication there, to me at least. White is normal but anything else isn’t.

It’s dog whistling softly.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:28:43pm

I don’t want to watch the video. This guy is a mentally ill toolbag. White, angry, paranoid, confrontational, and stupid - JUST THE GUY WE WANT TO HAVE GUNS AMIRITE??

An “extended” magazine in the gun, plus five more on him - probably Glock 19 magazines, at 15 rounds apiece - plus one in the chamber, puts him at 76 rounds carried to just go film stoopid liburls. That’s not self-defense, that’s anticipating a fucking war. People in actual war don’t even carry that much, I think.

I’m pretty sure I know which gun-humping paranoiac article he read, about unrest in Argentina, based on his loadout. He’s likely imagining that “anarchists” and “leftists” want to kidnap and torture him.

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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:29:28pm

re: #84 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Also the part where he implied you’re not a normal American if you’re not white.

GMTA!

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stpaulbear  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:30:59pm

re: #85 MsJ

I was kind of thinking that ‘normal’ was his clumsy and stupid way to refer to ‘straight’ and ‘christian’ white people.

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A Cranky One  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:31:53pm

re: #84 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Also the part where he implied you’re not a normal American if you’re not white.

Oddly, I’m white and yet the adjective “normal” is rarely used to describe me. ;-)

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majii  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:32:32pm

re: #73 Charles Johnson

I have news for Trump and his burger-toting-boy Newt Gingrich. Newt trying to make it appear he’s had a change of heart in regard to racism won’t make the majority of Black Americans change their minds about voting against Trump in November. Why? Because he’s had lots of opportunities in the past to say what he’s saying but chose not to do it. He’s pissed off millions of us over the last seven plus years with his demeaning, unnecessary, race-based attacks on President Obama, and he’s a fool if he thinks we’ll easily forget the racist sh*t that he’s created, fostered, and promoted, not only against us but against our fellow citizens. We’re not as dumb as he, Trump, and his campaign team think we are if they expect us to believe he’s really had a change of heart. He hasn’t. He’s pandering and hoping that he can change our opinion of Trump, but he’s SOL. The time to stop certain bad behavior is not when your actions result in your being buried under a mound of your own BS, but when the wrongdoing begins. Newt has known that racism, homophobia, Islamophobia, misogyny, etc. is accepted in the GOP, but he lacked the courage to speak against it until today, so any appeal he’s making today smacks of opportunism to help improve Trump’s poll numbers. This is a means to an end, and that’s all it is.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:33:08pm

re: #75 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i see wingnuts in comment sections saying newt is already ded ded ded to them nope uh-uh not gonna vote for him

Ain’t N00t a Cat’lick now? Would a lot of them vote for him anyway?

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:35:06pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:35:18pm

re: #89 A Cranky One

Oddly, I’m white and yet the adjective “normal” is rarely used to describe me. ;-)

I remember the Big Guy on WKRP:

‘I don’t know how many times my mother has said to me: “The least you can do is try to act normal!” ‘

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:38:09pm

Doctor Who - Praise him

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Jayleia  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:39:41pm

re: #86 Pawn of the Oppressor

People in actual war don’t even carry that much, I think.

They actually carry more than that, 2-300 rounds from what I read…except that’s for their rifle. I can’t imagine why you’d carry 75 rounds of pistol ammunition in the modern world unless you were going to do something crazy.

And look what he did…

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Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:45:50pm

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:46:08pm

re: #95 Jayleia

They actually carry more than that, 2-300 rounds from what I read…except that’s for their rifle. I can’t imagine why you’d carry 75 rounds of pistol ammunition in the modern world unless you were going to do something crazy.

And look what he did…

Looking at that video—well, looking at the still, I don’t want to run it—brings to mind another question I have about handguns. Actually two questions:

Since nowadays you’re supposed to hold them with both hands,

A) Do these goobers have any idea how fucking stupid that looks, and

2) If you need both hands to use them now, what’s their reason for being, again? It’s called a “handgun”, not a “handsgun”.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:47:48pm

re: #75 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i see wingnuts in comment sections saying newt is already ded ded ded to them nope uh-uh not gonna vote for him

Ivanka it is then! Trump/Trump 2016!

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:48:12pm

re: #92 FormerDirtDart

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The guy couldn’t even get that detail right.
President Obama will be cutting his European trip short, and will be returning to the United States on Sunday, and will be visiting Dallas soon afterward.

Obama To Return Early To U.S. And Visit Dallas; Other Politicians Call For Unity

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b_sharp  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:51:00pm

re: #88 stpaulbear

I was kind of thinking that ‘normal’ was his clumsy and stupid way to refer to ‘straight’ and ‘christian’ white people.

Maybe average?

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:52:28pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

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It would be good exposure, though I guess outside the US?

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William Lewis  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:53:35pm

re: #97 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Looking at that video—well, looking at the still, I don’t want to run it—brings to mind another question I have about handguns. Actually two questions:

Since nowadays you’re supposed to hold them with both hands,

A) Do these goobers have any idea how fucking stupid that looks, and

2) If you need both hands to use them now, what’s their reason for being, again? It’s called a “handgun”, noy a “handsgun”.

It’s been standard to use two hands for a long time. The two handed stance is how Uncle Sam taught me to shoot the M1911A1 at Ft Knox in 1982 and had been doing so for several decades. Only the bullseye shooters on the target range still used the single hand grip.

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Jayleia  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:55:54pm

re: #97 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

1) That’s about the only not-utterly stupid thing he did, actually.

2) Better aim with two hands, less chance of dropping the “handsgun”, etc. In a close situation, it can be used one-handed though. Also, of course, easier to conceal…

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:58:55pm

re: #102 William Lewis

It’s been standard to use two hands for a long time. The two handed stance is how Uncle Sam taught me to shoot the M1911A1 at Ft Knox in 1982 and had been doing so for several decades. Only the bullseye shooters on the target range still used the single hand grip.

Weaver stance

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BeachDem  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:59:18pm

re: #73 Charles Johnson

It’s a cynical ploy to get support from the demographic where he knows Trump is weakest. Gingrich has a long history of bigoted comments and race-baiting, but he’ll say anything for political benefit.

And as Charles Pierce said

littlegreenfootballs.com

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Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:59:38pm

re: #101 Big Beautiful Door

I wish I had a dollar for every time I was promised “exposure” instead of dollars.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 8, 2016 • 6:59:50pm

re: #102 William Lewis

It’s been standard to use two hands for a long time. The two handed stance is how Uncle Sam taught me to shoot the M1911A1 at Ft Knox in 1982 and had been doing so for several decades. Only the bullseye shooters on the target range still used the single hand grip.

Oh, I know that’s been standard practice for decades, but when the 1911 Colt was new, I’m sure holding it in both hands never would have entered anyone’s mind—although with a 4+ lb. “handgun” it might be a good idea….

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teleskiguy  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:02:25pm
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Kragar  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:02:26pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:03:54pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

I wish I had a dollar for every time I was promised “exposure” instead of dollars.

CNN-I is on the “Digital Preferred” tier here, I think. That’s what killed Current, it was never on basic cable anywhere. So…not much “exposure” anyway.

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Lidane  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:06:45pm

Don’t mind me. I’ve just got dust in my eyes:

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:07:41pm

re: #109 Kragar

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Its nonsense anyway, a perversion of the actual intent. The idea was that the “well regulated” militia would obviate the need for a large standing army, but according to the Constitution one of the purposes of the militia is to be available to suppress rebellions, not foment them. The notion that the Constitution made provision for violent resistance to the central government it was creating is ludicrous.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:09:24pm

re: #112 Big Beautiful Door

Its nonsense anyway, a perversion of the actual intent. The idea was that the “well regulated” militia would obviate the need for a large standing army, but according to the Constitution one of the purposes of the militia is to be available to suppress rebellions, not foment them. The notion that the Constitution made provision for violent resistance to the central government it was creating is ludicrous.

Especially since all it talks about is “the security of a free State”.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:10:09pm

I decided to check other sites to see who else is reporting on President Obama’s decision to travel to Dallas early next week - and ran across Breitbart having a short writeup on the story. What makes this notable is that they decided to open up comments for it - and they don’t fail to make the most sickening posts imaginable.

A short sampling - spoilered (they’re that bad).

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

This is just from the first 50 or so comments. There are literally over a thousand like this.

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Kragar  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:11:24pm

re: #112 Big Beautiful Door

“The right of the people”, as in “We the people”, nothing about every individual owning a fucking arsenal.

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SteelPH  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:12:32pm

re: #114 Bill and Opus for 2016!

Checking other sites to see who else is reporting on President Obama’s decision to travel to Dallas early next week - Breitbart has a short writeup on the story - but then decided to open up comments for it - and they don’t fail to make the most sickening posts imaginable.

A short sampling - spoilered (they’re that bad).

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This is just from the first 50 or so comments. There are literally over a thousand like this.

Nauseating.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:13:10pm

re: #115 Kragar

“The right of the people”, as in “We the people”, nothing about every individual owning a fucking arsenal.

Correct, the Right has completely perverted the meaning of the Second Amendment.

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stpaulbear  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:13:17pm

re: #114 Bill and Opus for 2016!

Nope.

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Franklin  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:13:42pm

Watching “Truth” tonight. They are at the part where the “blogosphere” (aka our fearless leader Charles) debunks the Killian Memo’s. Throbbing memo FTW.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:13:58pm

re: #115 Kragar

“The right of the people”, as in “We the people”, nothing about every individual owning a fucking arsenal.

If they’d meant “every man” (sorry, but they would have said “man”) they wouldn’t have been shy about saying that. “The People” is the people, collectively.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:14:38pm

re: #111 Lidane

And the usual cast of assholes looking for ways to smear a man who touched more lives much more positively than they could in a hundred lifetimes make me feel very uncharitable feelings.

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CriticalDragon1177  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:15:08pm

Creationists like Ken Ham fail to understand what incredible jokes they are to just about everyone else.

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ObserverArt  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:16:28pm

re: #111 Lidane

Don’t mind me. I’ve just got dust in my eyes:

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I hope somehow that image makes it to the policeman that shot him. Puts a whole additional dimension to the young man they shot and killed. Force them to understand what it is you took.

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Shimshon  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:17:14pm

The RNC convention is going to be a bloodbath, people like this crazy blogger are going armed and ready to fight “the establishment.” I will watch from a great distance.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:17:59pm

re: #120 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Exactly.

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Lidane  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:18:46pm

RedState editor drags the Coultergeist:

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:18:48pm

re: #122 CriticalDragon1177

Creationists like Ken Ham fail to understand what incredible jokes they are to just about everyone else.

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As I said when they started talking about this, if one of the baby dinosaurs would hatch out of an egg and hit the gomers over the head with a frying pan, saying: “I’m the Baby, gotta love me!”, I’d pay to see that.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:19:16pm

re: #123 ObserverArt

And took from so many.

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William Lewis  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:19:30pm

re: #120 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

If they’d meant “every man” (sorry, but they would have said “man”) they wouldn’t have been shy about saying that. “The People” is the people, collectively.

The explanation of how they saw the 2nd to be fulfilled can be found in the Militia Acts of 1792. The key elements are in the 2nd Act:

The second Act, passed May 8, 1792, provided for the organization of the state militias. It conscripted every “free able-bodied white male citizen” between the ages of 18 and 45 into a local militia company. (This was later expanded to all males, regardless of race, between the ages 18-54 in 1862)
Militia members, referred to as “every citizen, so enrolled and notified,” “…shall within six months thereafter, provide himself…” with a musket, bayonet and belt, two spare flints, a cartridge box with 24 bullets, and a knapsack. Men owning rifles were required to provide a powder horn, 1/4 pound of gunpowder, 20 rifle balls, a shooting pouch, and a knapsack.[5] Some occupations were exempt, such as congressmen, stagecoach drivers, and ferryboatmen.
The militias were divided into “divisions, brigades, regiments, battalions, and companies” as the state legislatures would direct.[6] The provisions of the first Act governing the calling up of the militia by the President in case of invasion or obstruction to law enforcement were continued in the second Act.[7] Court martial proceedings were authorized by the statute against militia members who disobeyed orders.[8]

Every member of the militia, in other words, was expected to purchase at his own expense a military class rifle - the equivalent of what would today be an AR-15 - and a standard load of ammunition. This was expected to be used in defense of the nation, not against it. If you were to rise up, the constitution and the militia acts spelled out how the government would call out the military forces of the nation (the Militia and the Navy) to suppress you.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:22:34pm

re: #129 William Lewis

The explanation of how they saw the 2nd to be fulfilled can be found in the Militia Acts of 1792. The key elements are in the 2nd Act:

Every member of the militia, in other words, was expected to purchase at his own expense a military class rifle - the equivalent of what would today be an AR-15 - and a standard load of ammunition. This was expected to be used in defense of the nation, not against it. If you were to rise up, the constitution and the militia acts spelled out how the government would call out the military forces of the nation (the Militia and the Navy) to suppress you.

One detail—rifles were pretty rare and specialized sniper weapons at that time. The vast majority would have had muskets.

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CriticalDragon1177  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:22:38pm

Good for him

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:22:56pm

re: #122 CriticalDragon1177

Creationists like Ken Ham fail to understand what incredible jokes they are to just about everyone else.

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If we can make plastic models, it proves they were real…

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CriticalDragon1177  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:23:10pm

Cool shirt!

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CriticalDragon1177  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:24:21pm

Well at least some people had a sensible response to the recent murder in Dallas.

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BeachDem  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:24:39pm

With all the disgusting people and events this week, I’m taking a break and watching Diane Sawyer’s followup 5 years later interview with Jaycee Dugard. She is the girl who was kidnapped and held by the pedophile lunatic for 18 years. She is truly remarkable,

I read her book about the experience and now need to get her new book. Talk about triumphing over evil.

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William Lewis  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:25:00pm

re: #130 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

One detail—rifles were pretty rare and specialized sniper weapons at that time. The vast majority would have had muskets.

Which were still standard military weapons of the times. Say the difference between a modern semi-auto civilian model AR-15 (Musket) and the full auto and/or burst fire capable military model M-16A3 (Rifle).

Back later, leaving for work.

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Sherlock Hound  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:25:18pm

re: #114 Bill and Opus for 2016!

If there was ever a legitimate reason for doxxing, this would have to be it. Those people have no right to be hiding in the shadows as they do.

Yeah, I know. I forgot. Freezepeach.

I just want these people’s loved ones, colleagues and employers to see this. I want them to imagine the shame we put on some dumbass who is caught spraying “Juden Verboten” on a storefront.

Even if that dumbass is a Pillar Of The Community.

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CriticalDragon1177  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:25:35pm

re: #132 FormerDirtDart

If we can make plastic models, it proves they were real…

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LOL!

We’re not desperate to discredit evolution!

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:27:28pm

re: #122 CriticalDragon1177

Creationists like Ken Ham fail to understand what incredible jokes they are to just about everyone else.

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A lot of the people I know around here will be packing their kids up I-75 to show them that idiocy.

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CriticalDragon1177  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:27:33pm

Speaking of idiotic reactions to the Dallas shooting, checkout what “Eric the Dead” wrote in reply to one of my comments on Hate Watch.

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ObserverArt  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:27:38pm

Anyone want to speculate on the life of Ark Experience Park?

I’m thinking by 10 years it will be struggling to stay open.

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CriticalDragon1177  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:29:18pm

re: #139 Big Beautiful Door

A lot of the people I know around here will be packing their kids up I-75 to show them that idiocy.

Which is both extremely sad, and an extremely terrify omen for our future.

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lockjawcanbefun  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:29:52pm

Now this is how you do a clickbait headline:

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Kragar  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:32:00pm
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Decatur Deb  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:32:00pm

re: #141 ObserverArt

Anyone want to speculate on the life of Ark Experience Park?

I’m thinking by 10 years it will be struggling to stay open.

Future flea mall, if it can pass the fire codes.

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Kragar  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:32:47pm
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CriticalDragon1177  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:34:08pm

Cool!

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jaunte  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:34:28pm

re: #122 CriticalDragon1177

Creationists like Ken Ham fail to understand what incredible jokes they are to just about everyone else.

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Where did the dinosaurs go (according to Ken Ham) if they were on the Ark, protected by Noah and friends?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:34:52pm

re: #80 A Cranky One

That’s why I will always have hammer fired handguns.

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stpaulbear  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:35:02pm
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CriticalDragon1177  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:37:32pm

re: #148 jaunte

I’m guessing he thinks people ate them, and ended up hunting them to extinction, much like that other “brilliant” creationist Jack Chick

“There Go the Dinosaurs” with guest Steve Shives

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whitebeach  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:38:18pm

re: #141 ObserverArt

Anyone want to speculate on the life of Ark Experience Park?

I’m thinking by 10 years it will be struggling to stay open.

From your lips to … uh, well, you know what I mean.

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majii  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:39:00pm

re: #141 ObserverArt

What I find amazing is how reliant the “park” is on science to construct its exhibits. There is something wrong with a group of people who use science to disprove science. Exhibit One would be the dinosaurs they’ve constructed which are based on decades of work of anthropologists and other scientists. Without the work of these scientists, Ham wouldn’t have a clue about how some of the dinosaurs in his park looked or acted, but he seems intent on using their work to deny that evolution and science are valid fields of study. The displays in his park don’t come from the Bible, they’re the result of scientific research.
Excuse any mistakes I’ve made in terminology which is due not having a degree in science. I want to make the point that Ham is a hypocrite for relying on the work of scientists while trying to debase it.

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A Cranky One  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:39:33pm

re: #148 jaunte

Where did the dinosaurs go (according to Ken Ham) if they were on the Ark, protected by Noah and friends?

Hey, the earth had been devastated and everything killed. Noah, his family and the animals had to have something to eat.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:41:21pm

re: #141 ObserverArt

Anyone want to speculate on the life of Ark Experience Park?

I’m thinking by 10 years it will be struggling to stay open.

Within 5 years Ark Encounter will be subsidized by the Kentucky legislature…

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majii  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:41:26pm

re: #148 jaunte

I would think that there would have been no survivors on the ark when the flood ended. Carnivorous dinosaurs would have eaten all passengers aboard the vessel.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:42:04pm

re: #144 Kragar

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That doesn’t say anything good about us. I don’t blame the Bahamas at all for issuing that warning.

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stpaulbear  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:42:38pm

re: #141 ObserverArt

Anyone want to speculate on the life of Ark Experience Park?

I’m thinking by 10 years it will be struggling to stay open.

One of the reasons that it will be struggling is that the owners will pocket as much of the profits and state grants as possible. They already know it’s a cash grab.

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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:43:02pm

Promised this earlier, and seeing I had a small mini-breakdown earlier after reading people trying to justify Philandro Castile’s shooting on a completely unrelated and non-political website, just because he had a wide-set nose like a reported robber…yeah. I needed to do this.

So…here you go, the debut performance of Higgins by Umphrey’s McGee. I really don’t know what happened to this set, since it’s no longer available anywhere except fan recordings on archive.org. THis was from the official recording they had available post-show at the merch stand (which I lost to flooding not a year later, sadly).

Umphrey’s McGee - Higgins (debut performance) - August 26, 2005

EDIT: THanks to FormerDirtDart for clearing up my embed issues.
EDIT: Or rather…hrm…

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BeachDem  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:45:33pm

re: #111 Lidane

Don’t mind me. I’ve just got dust in my eyes:

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That dust must be airborne. Reminds me of this, from the aftermath of Mother Emanuel.

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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:45:38pm

re: #140 CriticalDragon1177

Speaking of idiotic reactions to the Dallas shooting, checkout what “Eric the Dead” wrote in reply to one of my comments on Hate Watch.

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That’s the RW talking point du jour. I’ve seen it all over Twitter. The presser Ovama had about LA and MN were some coded KILL ALL THE PO PO.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:45:40pm

re: #159 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

EDIT: Er…how do you get the video to show up normally rather than a button?

Is it from youtube? just paste the web address

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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:46:14pm

re: #141 ObserverArt

Anyone want to speculate on the life of Ark Experience Park?

I’m thinking by 10 years it will be struggling to stay open.

If it lasts 10 I’ll be surprised.

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A Cranky One  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:46:29pm

re: #156 majii

Regarding the ark, I posted this to a thread just after it died, so re-posting it here:

Another fun fact: without a source of propulsion, a ship that shape would turn side on to the waves and quickly capsize as it rolled side to side. I never see a propulsion source on any of the ark “replicas”.

So, I put on my creationist hat and pondered. And the truth was revealed.

In order to deal with the massive amount of animal excrement generated daily, the animals all took turns defecating off the rear of the ship. This “poopreller”, ejecting mass from the rear of the ship, provided the propulsion.

Which explains the origin of the term poop deck.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:46:49pm

Tatooine does exist.

cnn.com

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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:48:19pm

re: #162 FormerDirtDart

Is it from youtube? just paste the web address

Hrm…still shows up as a button but at least brings it up in the comment now instead of a completely different window. Dunno what I’m doing differently still.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:50:09pm

re: #151 CriticalDragon1177

I’m guessing he thinks people ate them, and ended up hunting them to extinction, much like that other “brilliant” creationist Jack Chick

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i have a soft spot for old jack chick, who is still alive at 90. if course, im also intrested in that great source of utterly surreal poetry, psychotic writings (“‘spiro agnew’ refers to the spiral steps that lead to the crematorium”)

jack chick may be batshit crazy, and even something of a malign influence, but he is truly a unique american cultural phenomenon

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retired cynic  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:52:01pm

Had a lizard kind of day today, providing comic relief to the tragedies of the week: my front porch is home to a family of skinks. Hardly ever see an adult, but the babies are common sightings. This afternoon, a teenage skink turned up sunning itself at the south window in the living room.

There was much scrambling for containers, and moving of furniture, and junior kept getting away. Finally my friend, and house helper/savior, got a clear tupperware container over it. We slid a thin magazine underneath, and got him safely back out to the porch.

And the whole time I was thinking of lizards!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:52:03pm

Hello, all! I woke up and spent the last couple of hours catching up on the threads.

Yesterday, I mentioned that one of my former students in the USA had posted on Facebook a comment that BLM was an evil organization and had to be banned. I replied that BLM had nothing to do with the shootings in Dallas.

This morning, I see he posted a reply: a YouTube video by Paul Joseph Watson. He’s a guy who works at InfoWars and Prison Planet, a real CCT nut. I didn’t watch the video, and told my student to find a more reliable source of information, and left it at that.

He’s a nice guy, a cancer survivor, and I’d like to think able to distinguish fact from fiction. Trouble is, as I remember, he was not an especially great student, so his critical thinking skills may be somewhat limited.

You can’t win ‘em all.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:52:16pm

re: #167 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i have a soft spot for old jack chick, who is still alive at 90. if course, im also intrested in that great source of utterly surreal poetry, psychotic writings (“‘spiro agnew’ refers to the spiral steps that lead to the crematorium”)

jack chick may be batshit crazy, and even something of a malign influence, but he is truly a unique american cultural phenomenon

‘spiro agnew’ refers to the spiral steps that lead to the crematorium”

i forgot to add “agnew: a newt red egg”

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thedopefishlives  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:53:02pm

So, this totally happened while I was out with Mrs. Fish.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:55:40pm

I just texted this to two black friends of mine that I’ve known since junior high:

“You guys and Errol (RIP) told me long ago that when it came to the cops, things were different for black folks. I always believed it, and after this week I wish more white folks would wake the hell up.”

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Shimshon  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:56:05pm

The only confirmed speaker at the RNC Convention so far? Hologram George Washington. You can’t write a better parody than the real thing.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 8, 2016 • 7:58:19pm

I mean maybe, MAYBE, the Baton Rouge cops were MAYBE in danger. But Minnesota? That was murder, PERIOD.

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majii  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:00:08pm

re: #174 Shimshon

In 2012, we had Clint Eastwood talking to an empty chair. This year, holographic George Washington. I can already hear the laughter erupting from millions of Americans while watching a long-dead president address RNC attendees using words someone on Trump’s communications team has written for him to say. Should be interesting.

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Sherlock Hound  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:00:26pm

re: #167 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

“HAW HAW HAW!”

Chick tracts are such quintessential tracts.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:00:54pm

I’m sorry, but I’ve been really upset all day, and then my poor mother who married a wingnut texted me that she was watching Megyn Kelly (SORRY! I LIVE IN THE REDEST COUNTY IN TEXAS!!!!) and my mom said that the BLM organizer was as crazy as the shooter, as if that murdering terrorist had anything to do with BLM or the protest.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:02:19pm

re: #166 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

Hrm…still shows up as a button but at least brings it up in the comment now instead of a completely different window. Dunno what I’m doing differently still.

Are you hitting any of the buttons up top? Like “embed” or “link”? You have to literally just copy and paste the URL of the YouTube page—nothing else.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:02:34pm

But I did hear “What a Fool Believes” by the Doobie Brothers on the way home and j turned it up nice and loud. I freaking love that song. I never knew Kenny Loggins wrote it.

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Shimshon  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:02:56pm

re: #176 majii

In 2012, we had Clint Eastwood talking to an empty chair. This year, holographic George Washington. I can already hear the laughter erupting from millions of Americans while watching a long-dead president address RNC attendees using words someone on Trump’s communications team has written for him to say. Should be interesting.

At least they had some group of confirmed speakers, today, no one wants to go on stage with Trump as the leader.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:03:16pm

Rage Furby is now trying to identify Philando Castile as an armed robber, based on a fuzzy CCTV still of a black man robbing a convenience store. He says their ears have the same shape, so Castile and the robber must have been the same man. Case solved!

Yet, Castile was working as a food server at a public school, which would mean he’d have gone through a stringent criminal background check.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:03:17pm

re: #166 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

Hrm…still shows up as a button but at least brings it up in the comment now instead of a completely different window. Dunno what I’m doing differently still.

If you edit the comment that’s what happens. It works.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:05:19pm

re: #180 Frankie Five Angels

But I did hear “What a Fool Believes” by the Doobie Brothers on the way home and j turned it up nice and loud. I freaking love that song. I never knew Kenny Loggins wrote it.

Whenever that or worse yet Minute by Minute would come on the radio, I’d wind up going 90 without realizing it—can’t explain the mechanism.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:07:33pm

re: #184 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Bring the obsessive that I am, I googled everything about “WAFB” when I got home. There was a Mix interview I found where the guys just could not get that song right. Finally after two weeks, the producer figured it out and it was their first number one and won two Grammys.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:10:11pm

re: #185 Frankie Five Angels

Bring the obsessive that I am, I googled everything about “WAFB” when I got home. There was a Mix interview Infound where the guys just could not get that song right. Finally after two weeks, the producer figured it out and it was their first number one and won two Grammys.

Great message for today, too:

What a fool believes he sees,

No wise man has the power to reason away…..

We see proof of that every day here.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:10:33pm

re: #174 Shimshon

The only confirmed speaker at the RNC Convention so far? Hologram George Washington. You can’t write a better parody than the real thing.

You’re serious? Linky?

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:11:17pm

re: #186 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I think they saw Jim Hoft in the future when they wrote it in 1978.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:11:21pm

re: #176 majii

In 2012, we had Clint Eastwood talking to an empty chair. This year, holographic George Washington. I can already hear the laughter erupting from millions of Americans while watching a long-dead president address RNC attendees using words someone on Trump’s communications team has written for him to say. Should be interesting.

i know! republican national convention meets animatronic creationist museum! winner!

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Shimshon  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:12:08pm

re: #187 Big Beautiful Door

You’re serious? Linky?

gawker.com

George Washington, who died 217 years ago of acute laryngitis, will be the first speaker at this year’s Republican National Convention. And as of right now, dead former President George Washington is also the only speaker, according to the official RNC app.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:13:20pm

re: #189 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i know! republican national convention meets animatronic creationist museum! winner!

I’d pay good money to see holo-George develop a glitch and start sounding like Max Headroom.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:14:49pm

re: #190 Shimshon

gawker.com

George Washington, who died 217 years ago of acute laryngitis, will be the first speaker at this year’s Republican National Convention. And as of right now, dead former President George Washington is also the only speaker, according to the official RNC app.

If they were honest, they’d stage a recreation of the Whiskey Rebellion, win, and shoot George Washington. That’s the philosophy they represent. Hanging their repugnant, treasonous views on him is obscene.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:15:03pm
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Shimshon  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:15:13pm

re: #191 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’d pay good money to see holo-George develop a glitch and start sounding like Max Headroom.

I hope he starts speaking about the dangers of political parties he warned about en.wikipedia.org

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:15:41pm

re: #186 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Do you know how true that lyric is? I know the song is about a woman, but it can be applied to anything.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:16:05pm

re: #190 Shimshon

gawker.com

George Washington, who died 217 years ago of acute laryngitis, will be the first speaker at this year’s Republican National Convention. And as of right now, dead former President George Washington is also the only speaker, according to the official RNC app.

Man, this is hilarious, you can’t make this stuff up. Next they’ll have Richard Nixon’s head.

Richard Nixon in Futurama - Jefferson Airplane

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:16:31pm

We already had imitation George Washington via David Morse in “John Adams”.

They should have scheduled Fake Thomas Jefferson.

At this point, the Evil League of Evil would be an improvement on the GOP.
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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:18:36pm

re: #180 Frankie Five Angels

But I did hear “What a Fool Believes” by the Doobie Brothers on the way home and j turned it up nice and loud. I freaking love that song. I never knew Kenny Loggins wrote it.

I just watched Guardians of the Galaxy (again) and that has to have the best soundtrack I’ve heard in a while. I love almost every single song.

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Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:19:52pm

The RNC should grow a pair and tell Trump to fuck off. He can’t even put together a speakers list, even with all the best people working for him?

Does anyone have a graphic of Prince Rebus as the gimp? It should be the new logo of the GOP.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:21:02pm

re: #194 Shimshon

I hope he starts speaking about the dangers of political parties he warned about en.wikipedia.org

I am sure Holo-George will only speak words unearthed by pseudo-historian David Barton. Any words GW truly spoke will be edited out, or used out of context.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:24:07pm

I haven’t seen Dark Falcon in a while. We didn’t inadvertently get him in the last FEMA camp sweep, did we? I thought I had put him on the pass list again. Better check anyway.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:27:00pm

re: #201 Shiplord Kirel

I am hoping that the absence is not a sign of things going poorly with his family.

I may disagree with him extensively but I don’t wish that on anyone.

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Skip Intro  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:27:42pm

re: #200 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’m sure George will only have good things to say about Trump. I wonder how many times he’ll mention DT by name?

Caligula is looking better every day. At least he only put a horse in the Senate. The GOP is going to make an ass Emperor.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:28:20pm

re: #190 Shimshon

gawker.com

George Washington, who died 217 years ago of acute laryngitis, will be the first speaker at this year’s Republican National Convention. And as of right now, dead former President George Washington is also the only speaker, according to the official RNC app.

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Shimshon  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:29:04pm

I don’t know DF well in my short time here, but I always suspected he was just playing a game when pretending to be a moderate. Maybe he got sick of it and stuck to the fringe right wing sites, free republic, ar15, stormfront, facebook walls, to let his true self come out.

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Shimshon  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:30:07pm

re: #204 FormerDirtDart

He’s on it, just like he’s on filing that paperwork showing he “forgave” all his campaign loans. That deadline passed at the end of June, but he’s really going to meet the new deadline the end of this month.

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retired cynic  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:30:09pm

re: #202 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I hope not as well. My guess was he got tired of being torched. Not saying anything about karma, but sometimes the pile on got heavy. I would not personally care to hang around people who really didn’t agree with me on politics in a contentious election year. It just wouldn’t be good for my peace of mind, or blood pressure.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:31:43pm

re: #205 Shimshon

Look, I’m gonna be the first to admit I get frustrated with his inability to acknowledge the real harm the policies he advocates for would do, but he’s been here for a long time and has earned at least the respect of not being clumped in with the regular RWNJs.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:32:38pm

Well, I see that Rage Furby glommed onto a story posted at The Conservative Treehouse, which argues that Castile matched the description of an armed robbery suspect from an incident a few days earlier. So, TCT claims shooting him dead was justified.

Rage Furby takes it one step further and claims Castile *was* the armed robber because their ears look alike.

These people really try their hardest to demonize black men, don’t they?

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William Lewis  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:32:54pm

re: #201 Shiplord Kirel

I believe he’s simply laying low. I’ve seen him post at a tank Web site we both belong to.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:36:49pm

re: #207 retired cynic

I hope not as well. My guess was he got tired of being torched. Not saying anything about karma, but sometimes the pile on got heavy. I would not personally care to hang around people who really didn’t agree with me on politics in a contentious election year. It just wouldn’t be good for my peace of mind, or blood pressure.

I’m not gonna apologize for calling him out on policies that would directly harm people here, but I in general haven’t downdinged him in quite some time (exceptions made for exceptionally egregious stuff). We disagree extensively, and I’d like him to acknowledge the real world implications of the policies he says he supports, but that still doesn’t mean I want him to hurt.

That being said, I don’t go hang out at Republican/right-wing forums, so.

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Jay C  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:39:28pm

re: #190 Shimshon

gawker.com

George Washington, who died 217 years ago of acute laryngitis, will be the first speaker at this year’s Republican National Convention. And as of right now, dead former President George Washington is also the only speaker, according to the official RNC app.

Well, at least he’s had time to rest his voice.

But SRSLY, Washington was the only ex-President they could get to “appear”??

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retired cynic  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:39:35pm

re: #211 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Agree.

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retired cynic  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:40:38pm

re: #212 Jay C

Well, at least he’s had time to rest his voice.

But SRSLY, Washington was the only ex-President they could get to “appear”??

They could hire the “presidents” that race around at Nationals baseball games. That’d liven things up alright.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:43:52pm

re: #212 Jay C

Well, at least he’s had time to rest his voice.

But SRSLY, Washington was the only ex-President they could get to “appear”??

A lot of their base hate Abraham Lincoln with a purple passion—who else would they have who’s not a laughingstock? FDR, “Progressive” Teddy Roosevelt? You’re getting into pretty small fry after that….

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:45:16pm

re: #212 Jay C

Well, at least he’s had time to rest his voice.

But SRSLY, Washington was the only ex-President they could get to “appear”??

Everyone else was busy. Lincoln’s got those vampires to deal with, after all. Poor George couldn’t come up with a good excuse.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:45:57pm

re: #215 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

A lot of their base hate Abraham Lincoln with a purple passion—who else would they have who’s not a laughingstock? FDR, “Progressive” Teddy Roosevelt? You’re getting into pretty small fry after that….

Silent Cal, f’rinstance.

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teleskiguy  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:46:12pm

They should go all in at the RNC, get hologram John C. Calhoun, Roger Taney, or Nathan Bedford Forrest.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:47:56pm

They could remake this:

They Saved Hitler’s Brain 1968

as They Saved Reagan’s Brain. Wouldn’t need a very big jar.

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jaunte  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:48:57pm

re: #218 teleskiguy

They could have hologram Preston Brooks cane an empty chair.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:50:17pm

re: #219 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They could remake this:

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as They Saved Reagan’s Brain. Wouldn’t need a very big jar.

Jelly jar

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ObserverArt  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:51:10pm

Just seen on extended coverage on MSNBC - Chris Hayes in Dallas in an interview he did. Congresswoman Eddie Bernice Johnson (D) from the Congressional District serving the area the shooting took place in Dallas talking about a bill going through the House with some new language about guns in the hands of people with mental issues. She said it is a mild bill but a start and thinks everyone can agree on it both sides of the aisle. And then she had a very interesting take I’ve never heard.

She said: “I hope the NRA releases the Republicans so we can vote on it.”

Heh. Unchain the Republicans from the oppressive NRA. Free their souls so they can do the work of humans.

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teleskiguy  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:54:48pm
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BeachDem  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:58:57pm

re: #212 Jay C

Well, at least he’s had time to rest his voice.

But SRSLY, Washington was the only ex-President they could get to “appear”??

Well, all the cool ones who are Broadway in “Hamilton” are kinda fans of the current Pres.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:59:45pm

Clinton wins, what’s next?

republican party faces the fact that 45% of their membership told them to shove “free” trade up their ass

republican party faces the fact that 45% of their membership wants to deport all muslims and hispanics

republican officeholders face the fact that their entire rank and file hates then

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Dave In Austin  Jul 8, 2016 • 8:59:48pm

re: #221 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Jelly jar

Evening all….

I vote on Toothpaste tube

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BeachDem  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:00:25pm

re: #215 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

A lot of their base hate Abraham Lincoln with a purple passion—who else would they have who’s not a laughingstock? FDR, “Progressive” Teddy Roosevelt? You’re getting into pretty small fry after that….

They could have had Coolidge and Rage Furby could have introduced him and told everyone why he mattered.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:04:32pm
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Belafon  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:11:52pm

re: #212 Jay C

Well, at least he’s had time to rest his voice.

But SRSLY, Washington was the only ex-President they could get to “appear”??

I was driving in town today, and saw some guy with a Texas flag and a US flag with 13 stars in a circle and the number 76 inside.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:13:36pm

re: #230 Belafon

I was driving in town today, and saw some guy with a Texas flag and a US flag with 13 stars in a circle and the number 76 inside.

…NJ would be happy to dump Texas.

Or at least this former NJ resident would, occasionally. >.>

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Shimshon  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:17:41pm

re: #208 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Look, I’m gonna be the first to admit I get frustrated with his inability to acknowledge the real harm the policies he advocates for would do, but he’s been here for a long time and has earned at least the respect of not being clumped in with the regular RWNJs.

I am suspicious because I’ve seen his kind before. he reminds me of O’Reilly, they play pretend educated moderate for the audience but once in a while their true colors shine through.

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retired cynic  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:19:31pm

re: #232 Shimshon

O’Reilly? No.

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Shimshon  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:20:50pm

And I see it on other websites. Some people pretend to be moderate conservatives and yet always come to the defense of Republicans. In almost all cases. On Fark years ago they were named “Fark Independents” because they were of course not crazy Republicans, but they spent every day defending another crazy Republican policy. Or spent all their time bashing Democrats and no time bashing Republicans but made sure to let everyone know how moderate and non partisan they are.

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Shimshon  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:21:52pm

re: #233 retired cynic

O’Reilly? No.

He changed his tone on his show from when Bush was President he was a full blown right winger to suddenly finding a little humanity when Obama became President. He still went off the rails if he was triggered about something, but tried really hard to appear as a moderate conservative Republican not tied to their ideology.

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SteelPH  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:22:01pm

re: #232 Shimshon

While his lack of empathy, reactionary attitude, and treating politics like a sports game are incredibly frustrating coming from him, he is far from being a sociopathic monster that the likes of O’Reilly are.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:24:02pm

Well, it is Waco after all…….

News Anchor Caught Mocking Hillary Clinton

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Shimshon  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:24:14pm

re: #236 SteelPH

While his lack of empathy, reactionary attitude, and treating politics like a sports game are incredibly frustrating coming from him, he is far from being a sociopathic monster that the likes of O’Reilly are.

I should be more clear I guess. I wasn’t saying they were ideologically alike, just that their persona when trying real hard to appear to be honest in debating the issues to me is just a big game. They dial down their tone depending on the audience they pander to.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:24:48pm

re: #215 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

A lot of their base hate Abraham Lincoln with a purple passion—who else would they have who’s not a laughingstock? FDR, “Progressive” Teddy Roosevelt? You’re getting into pretty small fry after that….

one of my favorite bob dole moments was when he made his acceptance speech in 1996 and said “tonight at least the republican party is the party of lincoln, and if you don’t like it the exits are clearly marked”

i saw some shocked looks among the delegates

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jaunte  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:26:40pm

re: #237 Dave In Austin

His wife has a much, much deeper voice than Hillary’s.

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Belafon  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:27:28pm

re: #234 Shimshon

I don’t think D_F pretended to be a moderate Republican. Otherwise he wouldn’t have gotten downdinged as much as he did. But, as with all humans, there are things we have in common with each other. So, there were a few things I agreed with D_F on. And there are people here that I agree more politically with that I’ve argued with on certain topics. D_F wasn’t the kind of conservative, though, that would have recommended anthrax and tire rims if we’d wanted to meet for dinner.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:27:42pm

re: #232 Shimshon

I am suspicious because I’ve seen his kind before. he reminds me of O’Reilly, they play pretend educated moderate for the audience but once in a while their true colors shine through.

Look, you are familiar with the history here, right? How the majority of the folks here used to be right wing and have shifted?

I am, again, hardly his biggest fan, but DF is in general honest in his go team politics. I will give him that credit where it is due, dubious thought it might be.

For better or for worse.

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mmmirele  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:37:17pm

re: #165 GlutenFreeJesus

Tatooine does exist.

cnn.com

When I was a kid back in the 1960s, I believed we’d never directly image a planet of another star, just simply due to the distance. (I also believed, due to the distance, we’d never actually determine if stars had planets around them.) That is one thing I’m incredibly happy to have been wrong about.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:37:28pm

re: #234 Shimshon

And I see it on other websites. Some people pretend to be moderate conservatives and yet always come to the defense of Republicans. In almost all cases. On Fark years ago they were named “Fark Independents” because they were of course not crazy Republicans, but they spent every day defending another crazy Republican policy. Or spent all their time bashing Democrats and no time bashing Republicans but made sure to let everyone know how moderate and non partisan they are.

I updinged your #205 not because I particularly agree with it but because don’t think it deserved 6 downdings. People here are alternately either massively irritated or protective of D_F and you just hit on a bad day. It’s usually best to let the kid say some fresh stupid shit before digging in just so everyone feels it’s deserved. I’ve mostly just learned to bite my tongue and roll with it. He irks the shit out of me most of the time but I’ve seen a hell of a lot worse. Mostly now for me he just seems to represent the “bar” that all other commenters must clear if they want to stick around long term.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:40:15pm

Snopes debunks Got News Dot Com in re: Alton Sterling’s gang membership.

snopes.com

Rage Furby was arguing that Sterling was a Bloods member because he got a haircut featuring a five-pointed star. Snopes notes that a star *tattoo* is more common among gang members, not fancy haircuts.

Furby is really grasping at straws to find anything to smear Sterling and Castile.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:42:18pm

re: #244 goddamnedfrank

I downdinged because for all his faults, DF hasn’t yet descended to the open sewer level that is Stormfront.

We could argue over whether racism out of an unwillingness to confront one’s privilege or racism out of a deliberate decision is worse, but like you said, I’ve seen a lot worse.

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Shimshon  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:43:38pm

re: #244 goddamnedfrank

I updinged your #205 not because I particularly agree with it but because don’t think it deserved 6 downdings. People here are alternately either massively irritated or protective of D_F and you just hit on a bad day. It’s usually best to let the kid say some fresh stupid shit before digging in just so everyone feels it’s deserved. I’ve mostly just learned to bite my tongue and roll with it. He irks the shit out of me most of the time but I’ve seen a hell of a lot worse. Mostly now for me he just seems to represent the “bar” that all other commenters must clear if they want to stick around long term.

Thanks. I don’t care about a karma count or anything. As long as it’s not like reddit if you go into a subreddit and get downvoted you can’t post more than once every 9 minutes.

He just reminds me of so many concern trolls I come across online, they fake being enlightened moderates but sometimes they show their true colors and it’s all just a big joke and ego massage where they pat themselves on the back for being so moderate and educated. But once they step into the voting booth it’s always GOP straight down the line.

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Shimshon  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:44:44pm

re: #246 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I downdinged because for all his faults, DF hasn’t yet descended to the open sewer level that is Stormfront.

We could argue over whether racism out of an unwillingness to confront one’s privilege or racism out of a deliberate decision is worse, but like you said, I’ve seen a lot worse.

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He works hard not to swear, that’s all that matters? Is this Bible Study Green Footballs? I’ve seen him pull out the dog whistle minority lazy on welfare before and I’ve only been on this site a couple months.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:45:18pm

re: #248 Shimshon

He works hard not to swear, that’s all that matters? Is this Bible Study Green Footballs?

If you think I care about swearing, you clearly haven’t read any of my comments.

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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:47:47pm

re: #190 Shimshon

gawker.com

George Washington, who died 217 years ago of acute laryngitis, will be the first speaker at this year’s Republican National Convention. And as of right now, dead former President George Washington is also the only speaker, according to the official RNC app.

OMG! That story!

Read the last sentence…then the tweet - and responses! The responses to Ashley are hysterical!

I have reached out to what I assume is George Washington, and will update as soon as I hear back

.

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Shimshon  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:48:12pm

Also I’ve become familiar these past 2 weeks with not rubbing people the right way. My views on Israel before made a lot of people mad because I have different opinions than most Americans and yesterday in the height of the emotional roller coaster of the Dallas shootings I critiqued what turned out to be bad claims by the DPD of a suspect and accomplice. I am okay with disputes here and downvotes if people disagree. But funny someone I forgot who, when I first signed up, followed me around and demanded I explain why I downvoted a person I disagreed with 4 times in a topic. lol. Every community is funny in its own way. I am happy to post here because I am tired of reading so many sites and have top popular comments things right out of Infowars or Free Republic.

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KGxvi  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:51:19pm

re: #143 lockjawcanbefun

Now this is how you do a clickbait headline:

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Saw that on my Facebook feed and I’ll say the same thing here that I said there: we need more wild llamas in sports.

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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:53:24pm

re: #222 ObserverArt

She said: “I hope the NRA releases the Republicans so we can vote on it.”

Heh. Unchain the Republicans from the oppressive NRA. Free their souls so they can do the work of humans.

Never gonna happen. Unfortunately.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:54:38pm

re: #251 Shimshon

I just feel like we should be accurate about exactly what it is you said last night that made people go o.O, notably that regular citizens wearing bright colors was suspect. Mind you, nobody actually downdinged you for that, merely expressed disagreement/disbelief, for which you provided sources for LA stories but didn’t provide any evidence that this was an issue outside of LA.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:56:48pm

re: #251 Shimshon

Also I’ve become familiar these past 2 weeks with not rubbing people the right way. My views on Israel before made a lot of people mad because I have different opinions than most Americans and yesterday in the height of the emotional roller coaster of the Dallas shootings I critiqued what turned out to be bad claims by the DPD of a suspect and accomplice. I am okay with disputes here and downvotes if people disagree. But funny someone I forgot who, when I first signed up, followed me around and demanded I explain why I downvoted a person I disagreed with 4 times in a topic. lol. Every community is funny in its own way. I am happy to post here because I am tired of reading so many sites and have top popular comments things right out of Infowars or Free Republic.

You will note, that, although I thought you were completely full of shit on the whole ‘gang’ thing, you weren’t a dick about it. Plus I’m not really into downdinging anyone but obvious trolls. I don’t downding DF but rarely - in fact I think he’s probably dinged me more often.

A forum works when there’s at least some difference of opinion, as long as nobody’s pooping in the corner.

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Shimshon  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:57:06pm

re: #254 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I just feel like we should be accurate about exactly what it is you said last night that made people go o.O, notably that regular citizens wearing bright colors was suspect. Mind you, nobody actually downdinged you for that, merely expressed disagreement/disbelief, for which you provided sources for LA stories but didn’t provide any evidence that this was an issue outside of LA.

The police said this was a suspect, I was just looking at it for what could be information about them. And the gang colors stood out since I have had friends caught up in gang conflicts in the past. And reading about Dallas having according to some experts some of the worst gangs in the country. I think a lot of people are not familiar with gangs and are shocked to hear you can still be killed for wearing certain colors, and it isn’t only “ghetto dwellers” that are involved in gangs. I posted a lot of links to back up my comments as well. But it is what it is. A lot of people were emotional about the subject of the shootings and jumped on me more because of that.

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Shimshon  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:58:53pm

re: #255 Blind Frog Belly White

You will note, that, although I thought you were completely full of shit on the whole ‘gang’ thing, you weren’t a dick about it. Plus I’m not really into downdinging anyone but obvious trolls. I don’t downding DF but rarely - in fact I think he’s probably dinged me more often.

A forum works when there’s at least some difference of opinion, as long as nobody’s pooping in the corner.

You can call me full of shit which is your right, but every time I was asked, I backed up my claims with citations. I think a lot of people don’t see a lot of what goes on behind the scenes in any city these days, gangs are everywhere. This was supposedly a suspected mass shooter with an accomplice, so I guessed on what a motive might be and connections to them based on prominent and well known red and blue gang colors. That is all.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 9:59:16pm

re: #256 Shimshon

The police never tweeted a picture of a female suspect, while your comment was talking about a woman.

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Shimshon  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:00:21pm

re: #258 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The police never tweeted a picture of a female suspect, while your comment was talking about a woman.

It was in the twitter comment reply, a back shot of the male and a female walking right next to him. This was the person the DPD said THIS IS OUR GUY HELP US GET HIM! is that tweet still up? If so the reply should be there too.

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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:01:08pm

re: #256 Shimshon

The police said this was a suspect, I was just looking at it for what could be information about them. And the gang colors stood out since I have had friends caught up in gang conflicts in the past. And reading about Dallas having according to some experts some of the worst gangs in the country. I think a lot of people are not familiar with gangs and are shocked to hear you can still be killed for wearing certain colors, and it isn’t only “ghetto dwellers” that are involved in gangs. I posted a lot of links to back up my comments as well. But it is what it is. A lot of people were emotional about the subject of the shootings and jumped on me more because of that.

No. I jumped your ass for saying it’s like that in “every major city in the US”. Which was and continues to be complete bullshit.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:02:31pm

re: #256 Shimshon

The police said this was a suspect, I was just looking at it for what could be information about them. And the gang colors stood out since I have had friends caught up in gang conflicts in the past. And reading about Dallas having according to some experts some of the worst gangs in the country. I think a lot of people are not familiar with gangs and are shocked to hear you can still be killed for wearing certain colors, and it isn’t only “ghetto dwellers” that are involved in gangs. I posted a lot of links to back up my comments as well. But it is what it is. A lot of people were emotional about the subject of the shootings and jumped on me more because of that.

Well as long as we’re clarifying, the DPD NEVER identified the woman as an accomplice, nor a suspect. She appeared in a tweet from before the shooting NOT one from DPD, near what was almost certainly the guy later misidentified as a suspect. It was not clear they were together, since she didn’t appear in any other photos of him

You jumped from that picture to saying the DPD had identified them both as suspects and that you were thought her bright red, very expensive shoes might mean it was a gang thing, because minorities know you don’t wear red or blue.

Then we all pointed at you and laughed.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:03:49pm

re: #261 Blind Frog Belly White

Especially the part where multiple people pointed out the colors of the local baseball team, which apparently no one wears the colors of except to games.

Not that that’s been my experience, but I clearly grew up in a not-American city.

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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:04:10pm

Dawn of the Planet of the Apes. Buy it for $5.00 on iTunes.

Jason Clarke. Yummy. DOTPOTA not so much.

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Shimshon  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:04:50pm

re: #260 MsJ

No. I jumped your ass for saying it’s like that in “every major city in the US”. Which was and continues to be complete bullshit.

What is bullshit? You don’t think there are gangs in every major city? Hell, in almost every city. Biker gangs. Skinheads. Cartels. Any place people are buying drugs, which is sadly almost everywhere, there are gangs controlling territory. This is what surprised me most. Someone telling me “no one gets shot any more for clothes they wear!” And now you’re telling me there aren’t gangs in most cities. I don’t want this discussion to go on forever so I’ll end it at this.

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TK-421  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:05:01pm

re: #255 Blind Frog Belly White

Welp, there goes my established poop corner…

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Lancelot Link  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:05:23pm

re: #174 Shimshon

The only confirmed speaker at the RNC Convention so far? Hologram George Washington.

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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:06:51pm

re: #264 Shimshon

What is bullshit? You don’t think there are gangs in every major city? Hell, in almost every city. Biker gangs. Skinheads. Cartels. Any place people are buying drugs, which is sadly almost everywhere, there are gangs controlling territory. This is what surprised me most. Someone telling me “no one gets shot any more for clothes they wear!” And now you’re telling me there aren’t gangs in most cities. I don’t want this discussion to go on forever so I’ll end it at this.

Yes. There are gangs in every city. No, people are not shot for their clothing choices in every city…which is what you said. That is bullshit.

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Shimshon  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:06:57pm

re: #262 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Especially the part where multiple people pointed out the colors of the local baseball team, which apparently no one wears the colors of except to games.

Not that that’s been my experience, but I clearly grew up in a not-American city.

Who buys the colors of their team in regular clothes? If they were wearing a team jersey, okay that would be less suspect. Except… gangs have also taken up sports teams logos. the Reds are the most popular. This is a gang culture that a lot of people don’t know much about. But this isn’t about just “regular people walking down the street” this was supposedly a mass shooter and a female walking right next to him it was in the DPD tweet. I was just looking at the picture and trying to point out things to make sense of it all. It wasn’t malicious or to pretend anyone anywhere wearing colors was guilty of something. Maybe it’s just a big misunderstanding. Oh well.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:07:09pm

Since I still have last night’s thread up, I went back through it. And here was the picture that apparently maybe caused the whole discussion, not tweeted by the DPD near as I could tell.

Mind you, apparently reporting deaths according to tweets from official accounts is suspect and should be treated with care to avoid spreading fear but describing an unrelated woman as a potential accomplice is totes okay.

(Thanks to jenner7 for the comment last night about where the photo was referenced in the thread, because that helped.)

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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:07:25pm

re: #266 Lancelot Link

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Looks more like zombie George. :-)

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Kragar  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:07:40pm
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Shimshon  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:08:28pm

re: #267 MsJ

Yes. There are gangs in every city. No, people are not shot for their clothing choices in every city…which is what you said. That is bullshit.

How about Dallas?

star-telegram.com

dallasobserver.com

forum.dallasmetropolis.com

So as I did before, I post links, people still say “no you are wrong” rinse. repeat. Goodnight.

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Belafon  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:09:37pm

re: #263 MsJ

Dawn of the Planet of the Apes. Buy it for $5.00 on iTunes.

Jason Clarke. Yummy. DOTPOTA not so much.

He’s also in Terminator Genisys.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:09:53pm

re: #269 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The DPD tweet has been deleted; I’m fairly certain people can find screenshots of it if they want but I’m not willing to reproduce it here even though I could. Suffice it to say, this is not the picture they used, and only one picture was used in their tweet identifying him as a ‘suspect.’

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Shimshon  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:09:55pm

re: #269 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Since I still have last night’s thread up, I went back through it. And here was the picture that apparently maybe caused the whole discussion, not tweeted by the DPD near as I could tell.

Mind you, apparently reporting deaths according to tweets from official accounts is suspect and should be treated with care to avoid spreading fear but describing an unrelated woman as a potential accomplice is totes okay.

(Thanks to jenner7 for the comment last night about where the photo was referenced in the thread, because that helped.)

I didn’t want to spread fear or anything that is why I wasn’t on twitter or sending the DPD my information. I just made a comment about that picture when someone posted it in the reply of the DPD saying this is the suspect. Ok I’m gone now sorry to disrupt people’s nights again.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:11:33pm

re: #275 Shimshon

I didn’t want to spread fear or anything that is why I wasn’t on twitter or sending the DPD my information. I just made a comment about that picture when someone posted it in the reply of the DPD saying this is the suspect. Ok I’m gone now sorry to disrupt people’s nights again.

You say you like our community. Part of that is because we are fact based.

Not going to apologize for it.

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mmmirele  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:13:01pm

re: #266 Lancelot Link

Bioshock Infinite? Just Guessing.

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Shimshon  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:13:08pm

re: #276 klys (maker of Silmarils)

You say you like our community. Part of that is because we are fact based.

Not going to apologize for it.

I do not agree with fact based since I am yet again the only single person backing up my claims with multiple citations and either get silence in reply or “no you’re wrong” I mean c’mon.

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teleskiguy  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:14:01pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:15:17pm

re: #278 Shimshon

I do not agree with fact based since I am yet again the only single person backing up my claims with multiple citations and either get silence in reply or “no you’re wrong” I mean c’mon.

You’re extrapolating based on stories of shootings based on clothing choices due to gangs in LA to gangs in all cities. You want to generalize, the burden of proof is on you.

Sorry, that’s how it works. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:15:48pm

re: #272 Shimshon

How about Dallas?

star-telegram.com

dallasobserver.com

forum.dallasmetropolis.com

So as I did before, I post links, people still say “no you are wrong” rinse. repeat. Goodnight.

I’ll type slower. The average citizen does not have to worry about getting shot over what they wear. If they’re in super shitty areas, perhaps. If they’re a known entity, ok. But in no way does the average person ever have to worry about this. They have about as much of a chance of getting shot for wearing a given color that would equal they’re being hit by a bolt of lightening.

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retired cynic  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:16:50pm

re: #281 MsJ

I worry about ‘does this make me look fat’? The answer, sadly, is yes.

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BeachDem  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:17:53pm

re: #250 MsJ

OMG! That story!

Read the last sentence…then the tweet - and responses! The responses to Ashley are hysterical!

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My favorite comment:

This will all backfire when Holo-Washington achieves self-awareness and declares his third-party candidacy as a Federalist with running-mate Lin Manuel Miranda.

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teleskiguy  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:18:04pm

Hey Shimshon, you rub people the wrong way because you have an air of condescension in your comments. “What?!? You stupid middle-American hicks don’t know about street gangs in urban centers?!?” That’s what’s called being an asshole.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:19:31pm

re: #281 MsJ

I’ll type slower. The average citizen does not have to worry about getting shot over what they wear. If they’re in super shitty areas, perhaps. If they’re a known entity, ok. But in no way does the average person ever have to worry about this. They have about as much of a chance of getting shot for wearing a given color that would equal they’re being hit by a bolt of lightening.

You mean, regular citizens can wear bright colors? Gasp. Also more evidence of edits to the comment, I should point out. In your quote of him in the thread, he said “regular citizens” but in the actual comment I have (see above), it’s changed to “regular minority citizens.”

It’s been pointed out before that when editing comments here, courtesy dictates that anything other than typo fixes get called out, because people don’t know otherwise.

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teleskiguy  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:19:58pm
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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:21:01pm

re: #283 BeachDem

My favorite comment:

This will all backfire when Holo-Washington achieves self-awareness and declares his third-party candidacy as a Federalist with running-mate Lin Manuel Miranda.

I liked when President John Adams @2ndPOTUS said #Pass.

Oh and when someone suggested the GOP should ask Millard Fillmore.

That’s some funny stuff.

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b_sharp  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:21:59pm

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BeachDem  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:23:18pm

re: #261 Blind Frog Belly White

Well as long as we’re clarifying, the DPD NEVER identified the woman as an accomplice, nor a suspect. She appeared in a tweet from before the shooting NOT one from DPD, near what was almost certainly the guy later misidentified as a suspect. It was not clear they were together, since she didn’t appear in any other photos of him

You jumped from that picture to saying the DPD had identified them both as suspects and that you were thought her bright red, very expensive shoes might mean it was a gang thing, because minorities know you don’t wear red or blue.

Then we all pointed at you and laughed.

I don’t think it was even the same guy—the guy in the pic with the girl wearing the red shoes looked to be wearing a camo hoodie with a totally different pattern. But potato/potahto.

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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:24:01pm

re: #285 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Frustrating. Very frustrating.

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teleskiguy  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:25:53pm

re: #288 Double Dumbass

Yo Mama!

I don’t know why I just said that.

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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:27:33pm

re: #288 Double Dumbass

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:28:09pm
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Dave In Austin  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:30:37pm

re: #292 MsJ

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He lives in western Nebraska.

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BeachDem  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:31:11pm

re: #287 MsJ

I liked when President John Adams @2ndPOTUS said #Pass.

Oh and when someone suggested the GOP should ask Millard Fillmore.

That’s some funny stuff.

I Know Him

(At some point, I am going to have every song from Hamilton as an appropriate comment here. Hey—everybody needs a goal!)

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:33:13pm

re: #295 BeachDem

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(At some point, I am going to have every song from Hamilton as an appropriate comment here. Hey—everybody needs a goal!)

Tonight was the farewell party for one of mr. klys’s favorite coworkers, so I am sitting at home by myself still.

I have vague hopes he’ll be home in another hour or so.

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BeachDem  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:34:51pm

re: #292 MsJ

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Nope—Anymouse lives in Nebraska.

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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:34:59pm

re: #294 Dave In Austin

He lives in western Nebraska.

Oh. Nevermind. ;-)

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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:35:53pm

re: #296 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Tonight was the farewell party for one of mr. klys’s favorite coworkers, so I am sitting at home by myself still.

I have vague hopes he’ll be home in another hour or so.

Til then you have us!

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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:36:53pm

re: #295 BeachDem

I just downloaded the sound track. I’m excited to listen to it.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:37:38pm

re: #299 MsJ

Til then you have us!

And I’ve got a hockey game going for noise, and supposedly he is at least moving in the home direction at this point.

Also there is cross stitch.

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BeachDem  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:41:47pm

re: #300 MsJ

I just downloaded the sound track. I’m excited to listen to it.

I have the cd in my car, and it makes even sitting in traffic somewhat tolerable while the tourists stop midblock to determine where the fuck they’re going and then making u-turns from 3 lanes away.

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TK-421  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:44:40pm
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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:48:11pm

re: #303 TK-421

If achieving ultimate dizziness was the goal. Success!

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:48:32pm
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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:53:21pm

Welp, ima gonna read for a bit before I pass out. Night hugs all around!

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Anymouse  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:53:30pm

A side trip from all the horror in the news the last three days.

My wife and I are in Montana now, and will be in Canada tomorrow.

I started the day sending to my village board the President’s half-staff notification and called the gun shop owner in town and asked him if he would lower the flags in the village to half staff.

Afterward, we went to Devil’s Tower. (At the visitor’s centre there was a massive motor home with German plates, German inspections, and a German rental car agency sticker. I didn’t realise there was a bridge …)

Devil’s Tower, Wyo. Taken from the visitor’s centre. Ignore the date stamp, my camera is confused.
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Anymouse  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:55:03pm

re: #294 Dave In Austin

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b_sharp  Jul 8, 2016 • 10:58:58pm

re: #292 MsJ

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Thanks

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 8, 2016 • 11:01:11pm

re: #307 Anymouse

A side trip from all the horror in the news the last three days.

My wife and I are in Montana now, and will be in Canada tomorrow.

I started the day sending to my village board the President’s half-staff notification and called the gun shop owner in town and asked him if he would lower the flags in the village to half staff.

Afterward, we went to Devil’s Tower. (At the visitor’s centre there was a massive motor home with German plates, German inspections, and a German rental car agency sticker. I didn’t realise there was a bridge …)

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If you see a French dude conducting electronic keyboardists, stick around and take some photos.

Close Encounters of the Third Kind — “Tones”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 8, 2016 • 11:02:59pm

re: #293 goddamnedfrank

dems need to earn our vote . just going to give it to someone bc of a lesser evil…lesser evil is still evil

Sounds like my damn brother, who uses turns of phrase like “the lesser evil is still evil” in place of cogent argument.

And the ‘dems need to earn our vote’ noise. I heard that from him about Nader in 2000. According to him, it wasn’t Nader voter’s fault that Bush was elected. It was Gore’s for losing. “After all, he lost his home state”.

But it’s really just refusing to take responsibility for his vote.

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Anymouse  Jul 8, 2016 • 11:03:24pm

re: #310 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

If you see a French dude conducting electronic keyboardists, stick around and take some photos.

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There was a black Army helicopter flying over Devil’s Tower as we were leaving the area. There was no place to park. My wife wanted a picture to take so bad to send into either Alex Jones or Coast-to-Coast AM

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b_sharp  Jul 8, 2016 • 11:03:37pm

re: #308 Anymouse

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Alyosha  Jul 8, 2016 • 11:03:57pm

Free State of Jones isn’t being released here till the 21st.

X’(

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 8, 2016 • 11:05:08pm

re: #312 Anymouse

There was a black Army helicopter flying over Devil’s Tower as we were leaving the area. There was no place to park. My wife wanted a picture to take so bad to send into either Alex Jones or Coast-to-Coast AM

The black ops have a special raygun to wipe your memory card. So good thing she didn’t try.
//

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 8, 2016 • 11:07:57pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 8, 2016 • 11:09:14pm

I found an instructive tides video to send to Rush Limbo.

bbc.co.uk

It’s British, though. Maybe he’ll have trouble understanding the lingo.

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Anymouse  Jul 8, 2016 • 11:10:11pm

re: #316 goddamnedfrank

I’m the one over fifty high school only educated guy voting for Mrs. Clinton, apparently. /s

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MsJ  Jul 8, 2016 • 11:10:29pm

re: #313 Double Dumbass

So much for reading.

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Anymouse  Jul 8, 2016 • 11:15:34pm

Gotta hit the showers… . g’night y’all.

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Kragar  Jul 8, 2016 • 11:19:57pm
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majii  Jul 8, 2016 • 11:26:09pm

re: #316 goddamnedfrank

I’m thinking that someone in the Trump Campaign has seen this and other info, and it might be the reason for the recent media “leak” that Trump will curtail his media appearances, although I think at this point, it’s already too late for his campaign to try to make Trump appear to be more presidential. That train left the station months ago.

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Nyet  Jul 8, 2016 • 11:26:17pm

re: #65 goddamnedfrank

The cameraman really is an asshole though, inserting himself unnecessarily in the mix and then later addressing the cops out of the blue with “You can clearly see I have a camera please don’t shoot me.”

Bro, you’re white, ain’t nobody shooting you.

Of course, being white and unarmed doesn’t mean you won’t be shot by cops.

FBI investigating after cellphone video shows police fatally shooting unarmed man in Fresno

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TK-421  Jul 8, 2016 • 11:37:52pm
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Nyet  Jul 8, 2016 • 11:38:03pm

Frankly, DF lost most of my good will.

Three reasons.

1. The honesty of his crass opinions doesn’t make them less crass.

2. The inability to stick to his word (see, voting for Cruz).

3. In Trump times you gotta be all against Trump. Which also means voting for whomever that runs against him and is not worse than him.

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gwangung  Jul 8, 2016 • 11:41:59pm

re: #323 Nyet

Of course, being white and unarmed doesn’t mean you won’t be shot by cops.

FBI investigating after cellphone video shows police fatally shooting unarmed man in Fresno

Yup. Saw that on twitter from BLM folks.

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Nyet  Jul 8, 2016 • 11:44:47pm

re: #326 gwangung

Yup. Saw that on twitter from BLM folks.

They are doing it right then. Because, as cynical as it sounds, as long as most whites think that it’s an exclusively “black people’s problem”, nothing will change.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 8, 2016 • 11:50:34pm

re: #311 Blind Frog Belly White

Sounds like my damn brother, who uses turns of phrase like “the lesser evil is still evil” in place of cogent argument.

And the ‘dems need to earn our vote’ noise. I heard that from him about Nader in 2000. According to him, it wasn’t Nader voter’s fault that Bush was elected. It was Gore’s for losing. “After all, he lost his home state”.

But it’s really just refusing to take responsibility for his vote.

the lesser of two evils is still Less Evil

in any case, i certainly dont agree that hillary is evil ferkrissakes

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 8, 2016 • 11:59:33pm

re: #248 Shimshon

Another edit without commenting on it, see my reply in #249 for the original comment.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2016 • 12:01:00am

I’m not going to snap at this guy but this shit bugs me.

I’ll be damned if I’m going to dumb down my vocabulary to just to appease random people. I mean fuck, I only really speak one language fluently and that’s embarrassing enough without deliberately Trumping it up.

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gwangung  Jul 9, 2016 • 12:01:28am

re: #327 Nyet

They are doing it right then. Because, as cynical as it sounds, as long as most whites think that it’s an exclusively “black people’s problem”, nothing will change.

Honestly, it would really help if uptight whites would actually LISTEN to black folks. And with twitter, it’s kinda easy. They’d find out they talk about problems of black oppression, but they consistently cite brutality against white victims.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 12:07:05am

re: #330 goddamnedfrank

I’m not going to snap at this guy but this shit bugs me.

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I’ll be damned if I’m going to dumb down my vocabulary to just to appease random people.

What if it were to appease Arthur, the king of the Britons?

/

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Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)  Jul 9, 2016 • 12:20:08am

re: #203 Skip Intro

Caligula is looking better every day. At least he only put a horse in the Senate.

As opposed to the GOP, which puts horses’ asses there.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 12:35:02am

If anyone is interested, here’s photos of Michael Strickland’s arraignment hearing.

photos.oregonlive.com

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 12:40:49am

re: #334 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Something tells me he will get a slap on the wrist.

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majii  Jul 9, 2016 • 12:43:04am

re: #334 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I think he thought he’d pull his little stunt and walk away with only a warning, something I think might have happened had he pulled a gun on innocent persons in another state. He was in the wrong state and ran into the wrong prosecutor. He’s behind bars where he belongs. Thanks for the link to the pics. Dude’s a pitiful looking critter.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 1:07:26am

re: #336 majii

I think he thought he’d pull his little stunt and walk away with only a warning, something I think might have happened had he pulled a gun on innocent persons in another state. He was in the wrong state and ran into the wrong prosecutor. He’s behind bars where he belongs. Thanks for the link to the pics. Dude’s a pitiful looking critter.

He looks as though he expected to be chastised and set free. I’m pretty sure the felony charges and $250K bail ruined his day.

Idiot. I hope he gets the book thrown at him at trial.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 1:11:40am

re: #335 Nyet

Something tells me he will get a slap on the wrist.

I don’t know about that. Waving a loaded and chambered firearm, with several magazines in your possession, is not exactly a misdemeanor offense, especially in Portland, Oregon. And it seems the gun was not registered, so that’s an even bigger problem for Strickland. If he has a really good lawyer, maybe he’ll get off with a slap on the wrist, but if he gets a tough judge, Strickland will be looking at some jail time.

I’m wondering he can make bail.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 1:16:35am

re: #338 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I don’t know about that. Waving a loaded and chambered firearm, with several magazines in your possession, is not exactly a misdemeanor offense, especially in Portland, Oregon. And it seems the gun was not registered, so that’s an even bigger problem for Strickland. If he has a really good lawyer, maybe he’ll get off with a slap on the wrist, but if he gets a tough judge, Strickland will be looking at some jail time.

I’m wondering he can make bail.

I hope so, just being a pessimist here. The dude does have white privilege working for him.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 1:29:26am

re: #339 Nyet

I hope so, just being a pessimist here. The dude does have white privilege working for him.

He has that air about him in those photos, as if he were just going to renew his drivers license at the DMV.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 1:31:31am

re: #340 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He should go to prison for indecent exposure. /////

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2016 • 1:39:04am

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 1:42:04am

re: #342 goddamnedfrank

Thanks for the tip and continued vigilance.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 1:44:46am

re: #344 Nyet

Raising awareness of something is not the same thing as supporting it. We, as believers in Jesus Christ, need to be AWARE of the “Mandela Effect” so we can stand together AGAINST it. They are supernaturally changing our personal KJV Bibles in order to discredit us and make us look even more insane. This is not a joke, people. It’s spiritual warfare and our time HAS COME to stand firm in the whole armor of God! #FEARNOT #KEEPWATCH #ALMOSTDONE #CHRISTHASWON

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 1:45:51am

re: #345 Nyet

0_o

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Dave In Austin  Jul 9, 2016 • 1:49:18am

re: #342 goddamnedfrank

Done + add5

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 1:51:06am

re: #344 Nyet

LOL, she’s arguing that the Statue of Liberty literally changed its location miraculously from Ellis Island to Liberty Island.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2016 • 1:51:32am

re: #344 Nyet

She votes, too.

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Video

I knew it! Goddamned Obama and his time machine fuckin’ everything up.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 1:52:31am

re: #348 Nyet

LOL, she’s arguing that the Statue of Liberty literally changed its location miraculously from Ellis Island to Liberty Island.

I’m only to the Nelson Mandela dying in prison part. No spoilers! //

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 9, 2016 • 1:53:06am

re: #307 Anymouse

A side trip from all the horror in the news the last three days.

My wife and I are in Montana now, and will be in Canada tomorrow.

I started the day sending to my village board the President’s half-staff notification and called the gun shop owner in town and asked him if he would lower the flags in the village to half staff.

Afterward, we went to Devil’s Tower. (At the visitor’s centre there was a massive motor home with German plates, German inspections, and a German rental car agency sticker. I didn’t realise there was a bridge …)

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That’s about the same as it looked in 1971 when I saw it.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 1:58:51am

re: #349 goddamnedfrank

I knew it! Goddamned Obama and his time machine fuckin’ everything up.

So, apparently this “Mandela Effect” is discussed by other people besides Bonnie Lou(ny)Tube. She’s not the only one.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:00:21am

re: #352 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

So, apparently this “Mandela Effect” is discussed by other people besides Bonnie Lou(ny)Tube. She’s not the only one.

Yes, I regularly post about these freaks.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:00:41am
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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:01:32am

Oh. She blames CERN. That’s a new twist.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:02:56am

I thought KJV-onlyism was crazy.

But now there’s gonna be “KJV-memory-onlyism”.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:04:20am

Hmm. Wikipedia links “Mandela Effect” to the entry on confabulation in general. Which takes the mistaken memories as not being done on purpose. Doing it on purpose to mess with people is known as “gaslighting” (it’s a movie reference) and GDF has already mentioned that.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:04:40am

Seriously though, the raw amount of ego required to think it’s not one’s own fragile human memory at play but reality warping around them to retcon a new normal OMFG!

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:06:13am

re: #356 Nyet

I thought KJV-onlyism was crazy.

But now there’s gonna be “KJV-memory-onlyism”.

Sounds like the newest defense when someone points out that the Bible is not saying what you want it to be saying.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:06:50am

I swear Bogie said, “Play it again, Sam.” But now my copy of Casablanca doesn’t have that line! Reality has changed!!11ty!

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:07:08am
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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:07:49am

It’s like everybody “remembers” “I’m not dead yet” though “yet” is not there.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:09:04am

OK, CERN logo = 666 is cute.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:13:01am

OK, at least she explains why they would rig such small details (equipment testing!).

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:16:28am

re: #362 Nyet

It’s like everybody “remembers” “I’m not dead yet” though “yet” is not there.

Is it “Abandon all hope, ye who enter here” or “Abandon hope, all ye who enter here”? I’ll bet you most former lit students (and maybe professors) will get it wrong.

The original is “Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch’intrate.” The first English choice is correct.

Thanks for introducing me to yet another class of idiots.

The “trespasses” vs. “debts” issue she raises is a factor of which church she grew up in, a detail she neglects to consider in addition to faulty memories.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:17:43am

re: #364 Nyet

OK, at least she explains why they would rig such small details (equipment testing!).

I keep pausing it because she’s killing me.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:18:04am

She never stops to think: what if more of the KJV had been changed even before her birth? What makes her think that the KJV she read is the true one? Or better yet, maybe CERN is tinkering with the Christians’ brain structure, in which case it’s her memories that are tainted and she’s falling in the Antichrist’s trap by refusing to accept the Holy 1611 Authorized Version?

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:18:42am

re: #281 MsJ

I’ll type slower. The average citizen does not have to worry about getting shot over what they wear. If they’re in super shitty areas, perhaps. If they’re a known entity, ok. But in no way does the average person ever have to worry about this. They have about as much of a chance of getting shot for wearing a given color that would equal they’re being hit by a bolt of lightening.

When was I ever talking about the “average” citizen? This is why I laugh when you people talk about how open you are to debate. Just like every other community I have a dozen people jumping on misinformation and taking my comments out of context.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:19:33am

re: #365 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

She is like totally unaware of social “knowledge” by osmosis. And, again, she votes.

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:20:58am

re: #280 klys (maker of Silmarils)

You’re extrapolating based on stories of shootings based on clothing choices due to gangs in LA to gangs in all cities. You want to generalize, the burden of proof is on you.

Sorry, that’s how it works. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I’m not generalizing, I’m telling you the fact of life for most cities. I have already posed about a dozen citations backing up my claim that, not an “average citizen” but many people of color are forced into these choices because of the environment created by gangs. But of course a community of soccer moms and middle aged people are really knowledgable about gang culture and the amount of influence gangs have in cities. Meanwhile once again I am the single person here providing handfuls of citations when challenged to back up my statements. But you people keep having so much confidence in how right you are, based on nothing but congratulating each other for having like minded opinions

and a quick edit here because I missed the beginning of your comment the first time, where did I say LA? I took news stories from all over mostly from the Dallas area to make the argument relevant to the city the shooting happened.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:21:00am

You people, lol.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:23:44am

re: #369 Nyet

She is like totally unaware of social “knowledge” by osmosis. And, again, she votes.

Maybe the GOP should add an anti-time travel plank to their platform, they don’t want these people voting third party!

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:27:20am

re: #261 Blind Frog Belly White

Well as long as we’re clarifying, the DPD NEVER identified the woman as an accomplice, nor a suspect. She appeared in a tweet from before the shooting NOT one from DPD, near what was almost certainly the guy later misidentified as a suspect. It was not clear they were together, since she didn’t appear in any other photos of him

You jumped from that picture to saying the DPD had identified them both as suspects and that you were thought her bright red, very expensive shoes might mean it was a gang thing, because minorities know you don’t wear red or blue.

Then we all pointed at you and laughed.

The DPD identified the male as the shooter. In the replies to that tweet someone posted the behind picture with him walking with a female. I clearly stated I was just guessing based on the clothing. It was nothing but an off handed comment wondering what might be the motives behind such a horrible event.

Then this huge circlejerk descends on me with people playing all sides of ignorance about life outside your own comfortable homes. From people flat out refusing to accept ANYONE gets shot for the colors they wear, to pretending “oh that gang stuff only happens in ghettos” which is damn racist.

I even made sure to pick sources from Dallas that talk about gangs, and parent groups trying to get schools to change public schools to uniforms because of problems of violence from clothing and colors.

It is very strange to be the only one who posts citations to be laughed at as if I’m just making wild accusations without backing up my point. No see, that is what all you people have been doing, for 2 nights now. Since I have backed up my claims and clarified my comments over and over, and you people keep obsessing over dishonest misquoting I am puzzled as to why you still think you have made any legitimate counter arguments to everything I’ve said. It is like this place is a similar hivemind to reddit, where the majority all laugh and agree with each other who have the same opinions and someone posting something different with examples to back up their claims must be wrong because you, the majority, just have to be right.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:27:22am

re: #372 Timothy Watson

Maybe the GOP should add an anti-time travel plank to their platform, they don’t want these people voting third party!

They should really stop these useless and dangerous experiments on particles at CERN and on fruit flies in Paris, France.

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:30:52am

re: #371 Nyet

You people, lol.

back to your old ways, the not quote me but mock me to laugh with your popular kids on an inside joke, you just cannot help yourself.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:31:24am

re: #369 Nyet

She is like totally unaware of social “knowledge” by osmosis. And, again, she votes.

More alarming, she probably has children, whom she teaches this stuff to.

Honestly, Berenstain has always been the spelling of those books. I remember, because I read them to my kids. Likewise, I grew up in NY, and the Statue of Liberty has always been on Liberty Island. Ellis Island, in fact, was closed to visitors when I was a kid.

Apparently, she only talks to fellow idiots, so contradictory evidence is not available to her.

I will offer a tale from from my vast collection of teacher memories. I once had a student who, politely speaking, was an airhead. Very sweet girl, but not really the sharpest tack in the box. We were talking about projectile motion in class, and the parabolic shape of an object’s path. Kathy (not her real name) insisted that objects traveled in straight lines, like when you throw a ball to a friend. I said, no it can’t, because gravity pulls the ball downward. She insisted she was right. So, I pulled out a tennis ball, and we played catch in class.

Even with the evidence right in front of her, Kathy continued to believe the ball traveled in straight lines.

Years have passed, and Kathy is a kindergarten teacher now, so the damage she can do with her incorrect perception of the physical world is hopefully minimal.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:32:40am

re: #375 Shimshon

back to your old ways, the not quote me but mock me to laugh with your popular kids on an inside joke, you just cannot help yourself.

Poor victim.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:32:58am

It’s little known fact that Dorothy was a Blood. Don’t let that blue pinafore fool you!

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:36:42am

re: #362 Nyet

It’s like everybody “remembers” “I’m not dead yet” though “yet” is not there.

An example from a good many folks in the Pacific Northwest and our homegirl, Frances Farmer. A lot of people will tell you that Ms. Farmer was given a transorbital lobotomy sometime in the late 1940’s or early 50’s.

Except of course, she wasn’t. What they’re remembering is a book called “Shadowland” and the subsequent film that drew heavily from that book, Frances, starring Jessica Lange. The book “Shadowland” claimed that Ms. Farmer had indeed been lobotomized during her incarceration at Western State Hospital up near Seattle. This claim is, however, baseless. There are no records whatsoever from WSH that indicate Ms. Farmer ever had that procedure performed - and WSH was meticulous in its record-keeping.

But it is the memory of either reading “Shadowland” (or hearing about it from someone who’d read it) or seeing the film Frances that keeps this particular inaccurate memory alive. And people swear by it. Even to this day.

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:36:43am

It’s sad how immature grown adults can be, never the cool kids in school so you have to act like you are part of the popular kids now and make fun of others. Even the others that know far more than you and back up their claims with citations as you only respond with snark.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:38:15am

re: #380 Shimshon

It’s sad how immature grown adults can be, never the cool kids in school so you have to act like you are part of the popular kids now and make fun of others. Even the others that know far more than you and back up their claims with citations as you only respond with snark.

We’re so pathetic, why do you mingle with us? Find cooler places to discuss the color of shoes.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:39:55am

re: #373 Shimshon

The DPD identified the male as the shooter. In the replies to that tweet someone posted the behind picture with him walking with a female. I clearly stated I was just guessing based on the clothing. It was nothing but an off handed comment wondering what might be the motives behind such a horrible event.

Then this huge circlejerk descends on me with people playing all sides of ignorance about life outside your own comfortable homes. From people flat out refusing to accept ANYONE gets shot for the colors they wear, to pretending “oh that gang stuff only happens in ghettos” which is damn racist.

I even made sure to pick sources from Dallas that talk about gangs, and parent groups trying to get schools to change public schools to uniforms because of problems of violence from clothing and colors.

It is very strange to be the only one who posts citations to be laughed at as if I’m just making wild accusations without backing up my point. No see, that is what all you people have been doing, for 2 nights now. Since I have backed up my claims and clarified my comments over and over, and you people keep obsessing over dishonest misquoting I am puzzled as to why you still think you have made any legitimate counter arguments to everything I’ve said. It is like this place is a similar hivemind to reddit, where the majority all laugh and agree with each other who have the same opinions and someone posting something different with examples to back up their claims must be wrong because you, the majority, just have to be right.

For the record, I am not discounting your statements about gang signs, because from my teaching experience I know some schools in Louisville, KY, and elsewhere switched to uniforms to minimize the gang colors problem. I find fault with your over-generalization of “gangs are in every city” and the specific proposal that the Dallas shooter was somehow motivated by gang rivalry, based on one woman’s shoe color.

As for myself, I had suggested that the shooter was some kind of sov cit type, or a militia member, or a neo-Nazi trying to foment a riot, based on the tactics and the targets (police officers). Well, you know, I was mostly wrong. Maybe you could admit the same about the shoe color thing.

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:41:20am

re: #381 Nyet

We’re so pathetic, why do you mingle with us? Find cooler places to discuss the color of shoes.

I was mingling with you? I haven’t quoted you until now, I was trying to have honest debates with other people and a handful of you have turned out to love bullying tactics and playing the cool kid table like we are in high school.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:44:00am

If we know nothing compared to God then how can a bunch of dudes in Switzerland change His revealed wisdom? Huh? HUH?

Unless God works at CERN …

I clearly remember this lady owing me 20 bucks and an ounce of sticky purple kush.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:44:53am

re: #384 goddamnedfrank

If we know nothing compared to God then how can a bunch of dudes in Switzerland change His revealed wisdom? Huh? HUH?

Unless God works at CERN …

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I clearly remember this lady owing me 20 bucks and an ounce of sticky purple kush.

You can’t explain that.

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:45:27am

re: #382 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

For the record, I am not discounting your statements about gang signs, because from my teaching experience I know some schools in Louisville, KY, and elsewhere switched to uniforms to minimize the gang colors problem. I find fault with your over-generalization of “gangs are in every city” and the specific proposal that the Dallas shooter was somehow motivated by gang rivalry, based on one woman’s shoe color.

As for myself, I had suggested that the shooter was some kind of sov cit type, or a militia member, or a neo-Nazi trying to foment a riot, based on the tactics and the targets (police officers). Well, you know, I was mostly wrong. Maybe you could admit the same about the shoe color thing.

Why is the idea that there are gangs in every city so outrageous? What could you possibly think to believe this is true? Do I need to search Google for news stories on every city to show there are active gangs in each?

And what am I supposed to admit I was wrong about? I was trying to guess the motives of someone and what looked like their accomplice that DPD said was one of the main shooters. I never judged whether they were guilty or not, I tried to take their appearance and figure out some motive. Just like when the Waco bar shootout happened and I looked at pictures and found in their clothing and tattoos that this was a gang shootout including whites supremacists bikers. I guess this means… something. I am still blown away at how little you know about gangs and why you feel the need to make such sweeping claims even with all the citations I have shown about a dozen random news stories with gang problems. Name a city and I bet I can find news stories about gangs. White. Black. Hispanic. You name it. There are gangs moving drugs and other illegal stuff that makes money. Welcome to… reality

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:48:23am

re: #383 Shimshon

>> We’re so pathetic, why do you mingle with us?

> I was mingling with you? I haven’t quoted you until now,

See, I wasn’t talking about “me” but rather about us as a group. The “you people”. And you know it. But you chose to twist “us” into “you” (i.e. me).

Not the first time you would simply make stuff up, of course. Which is why I personally don’t bother and simply observe and mock your latest childish temper tantrum. The “you people” thing is so stereotypical that it’s funny seeing it play out in real time.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:49:48am

re: #386 Shimshon

Why is the idea that there are gangs in every city so outrageous? What could you possibly think to believe this is true? Do I need to search Google for news stories on every city to show there are active gangs in each?

And what am I supposed to admit I was wrong about? I was trying to guess the motives of someone and what looked like their accomplice that DPD said was one of the main shooters. I never judged whether they were guilty or not, I tried to take their appearance and figure out some motive. Just like when the Waco bar shootout happened and I looked at pictures and found in their clothing and tattoos that this was a gang shootout including whites supremacists bikers. I guess this means… something. I am still blown away at how little you know about gangs and why you feel the need to make such sweeping claims even with all the citations I have shown about a dozen random news stories with gang problems. Name a city and I bet I can find news stories about gangs. White. Black. Hispanic. You name it. There are gangs moving drugs and other illegal stuff that makes money. Welcome to… reality

What do you know about gangs besides what you have read, eh?

And the shooter was clearly not shooting at rival gang members, by his own admission. So your suggestion was wrong, and the entire discussion about gang colors moot. Rather than acting all butthurt about being challenged, how about dropping the issue and let’s move on?

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TK-421  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:50:42am

re: #384 goddamnedfrank

I would demand sour diesel.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:51:19am

re: #386 Shimshon

Also, you were asked where you lived, as in the USA or elsewhere, and you never responded, AFAIK.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:52:23am

re: #384 goddamnedfrank

If we know nothing compared to God then how can a bunch of dudes in Switzerland change His revealed wisdom? Huh? HUH?

Unless God works at CERN …

[Embedded content]

I clearly remember this lady owing me 20 bucks and an ounce of sticky purple kush.

Meet God. Or His current human incarnation, as President of the CERN Council.

Nice suit.
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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:53:23am

re: #391 Dr Lizardo

Plutarch Heavensbee!

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:54:07am

re: #388 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

What do you know about gangs besides what you have read, eh?

And the shooter was clearly not shooting at rival gang members, by his own admission. So your suggestion was wrong, and the entire discussion about gang colors moot. Rather than acting all butthurt about being challenged, how about dropping the issue and let’s move on?

I made that comment when the news reports were “multiple shooters that setup a kill zone” and was trying to understand who could be behind it. So yes, figuring out if it was some angry gang members trying to get revenge on the cops was one idea that I thought of once that picture appeared with the red shoes.

Why does personal information about me matter? This is just attacking the messenger and trying to go off topic. So tell me a city that doesn’t have gangs and I’ll go find some. Who would have thought… Anchorage Alaska? nationalgangcenter.gov

Just off the top of my head.

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:54:29am

re: #387 Nyet

>> We’re so pathetic, why do you mingle with us?

> I was mingling with you? I haven’t quoted you until now,

See, I wasn’t talking about “me” but rather about us as a group. The “you people”. And you know it. But you chose to twist “us” into “you” (i.e. me).

Not the first time you would simply make stuff up, of course. Which is why I personally don’t bother and simply observe and mock your latest childish temper tantrum. The “you people” thing is so stereotypical that it’s funny seeing it play out in real time.

Remember when I asked you nicely to stop quoting and engaging in debate with me? Thanks.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:56:02am

re: #395 Shimshon

Remember when I asked you nicely to stop quoting and engaging in debate with me? Thanks.

No, but even if I did, I would just ignore it.

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 2:58:28am

Also look at you, holding such a grudge, you want me to ignore HA Goodman’s history of supporting libertarians and you are so dishonest you take my comment RAN PAUL and say “you idiot he said RAND not RON” all because I forgot to add the D at the end of RAN?

Apparently he also supported RON with R-O-N Paul in 2012. So HA Goodman was a libertarian when it paid the bills now he turned into a bro-gressive to make money shilling for Bernie. But keep telling me I’m wrong on all points as you have that comment bookmarked for the next time you get in a seething rage because you have a thing against Jews Israel Zionists

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Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:04:30am

re: #368 Shimshon

When was I ever talking about the “average” citizen? This is why I laugh when you people talk about how open you are to debate. Just like every other community I have a dozen people jumping on misinformation and taking my comments out of context.

Dude, the “context” is that you originally made the claim in regards to a woman about whom you knew almost literally nothing other that she was a black woman who was in a city.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:05:29am

This isn’t fun, or interesting, or insightful, or informative, please chill.

Or don’t, whatever. Keep engaging with folks in multi-thread long battles if that’s your thing. It’s your hot body, do what you want. I’ve said my piece.

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:05:44am

Oh I didn’t realize his “I’m voting RAND PAUL in 2016!” article came out the day Bernie announced. Poor guy was so high on the Paul train that he then jumped to the new hype train. That is what journalistic ethics is all about.

Who can’t argue with such an honest contributor? How many hit pieces did he do, he must have made a fortune from the Bernie camp and he is still going

rawstory.com

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:07:22am

re: #398 Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)

Dude, the “context” is that you originally made the claim in regards to a woman about whom you knew almost literally nothing other that she was a black woman who was in a city.

There’s that misquoting again. This was a picture with the alleged mass shooter walking with a female. And I was just trying to figure out what possible motive they might have by looking at anything in regards to their appearance. It sounds like you’re angry at me when you should be mad at the DPD for rushing to call him the shooter?

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:08:04am

re: #397 Shimshon

Also look at you, holding such a grudge, you want me to ignore HA Goodman’s history of supporting libertarians and you are so dishonest you take my comment RAN PAUL and say “you idiot he said RAND not RON” all because I forgot to add the D at the end of RAN?

Apparently he also supported RON with R-O-N Paul in 2012. So HA Goodman was a libertarian when it paid the bills now he turned into a bro-gressive to make money shilling for Bernie. But keep telling me I’m wrong on all points as you have that comment bookmarked for the next time you get in a seething rage because you have a thing against Jews Israel Zionists

More lying to save face. What you wrote:

He stated how he wanted Ron Paul to win instead of Obama both times, long before this election cycle and long before Warren was a household name.

When pressed on the source, you claimed that Goodman’s article claims it. But it did not even mention Ron Paul. And no, you did not mean Rand Paul as you’re trying to claim now, because it was Ron Paul who ran against Obama. So yes, you just made it up.

For the record, there is no need to bookmark your comment, the LGF search engine works just fine. But nice random accusation of antisemitism there. I don’t know if you’re Jewish (posting under a Jewish name doesn’t mean that you are), but you’re disliked because you’re an insufferable and lying asshole, not for anything else.

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:09:02am

re: #399 goddamnedfrank

This isn’t fun, or interesting, or insightful, or informative, please chill.

Or don’t, whatever. Keep engaging with folks in thread long battles if that’s your thing. It’s your hot body, do what you want. I’ve said my piece.

This is another strange comment, I’m not the one who left for a few hours to enjoy the weekend night to have a dozen hate messages just waiting for me. I am defending myself from being called all sorts of names and you pick me as the person causing trouble? Why don’t you tell all your friends at the cool table to chill and move on? They brought this shit here for another night just like Nyet brought his hate of me being Jewish Zionist and daring to call out his bro HA Goodman.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:09:52am

re: #393 Shimshon

I made that comment when the news reports were “multiple shooters that setup a kill zone” and was trying to understand who could be behind it. So yes, figuring out if it was some angry gang members trying to get revenge on the cops was one idea that I thought of once that picture appeared with the red shoes.

Why does personal information about me matter? This is just attacking the messenger and trying to go off topic. So tell me a city that doesn’t have gangs and I’ll go find some. Who would have thought… Anchorage Alaska? nationalgangcenter.gov

Just off the top of my head.

I’m not attacking the messenger if I am asking his particular knowledge or expertise in a subject. For example, if you were a criminal justice expert or LEO with particular experience with gang culture, your conclusions might carry more weight than from someone who has googled info and dropped links for others to read. You seem awfully defensive for someone who wants us to accept his analysis and conclusions without question. I was also asking if you had personal experience with gang culture because you seem rather obsessed with the particular topic.

Rather than accusing me of attacking the messenger, you could just answer the question.

And I didn’t go off topic. You brought up gangs in the context of the Dallas shooting. I said I was not discounting your remarks about gang rivalries and color choices in clothing, based on my own personal experience teaching. I’ve also coached debate and taught writing, and we teachers typically tell students to never rely on absolutes like “always,” “everyone,” or “everywhere” in an argument, because it allows the opposition the chance to disprove your point and weaken that argument. Guess what you did. You said gangs are in every city. Maybe that’s true. Maybe it isn’t. But offering anecdotal evidence to try to support your argument is not working. If you could find a reference, say from the FBI, that says unequivocably that gangs are present in every US city, your argument would hold a lot more water.

Right now, you’re just whining that we’re being mean because we don’t believe you’re right. IOW, you’re losing the debate.

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Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:10:23am

re: #370 Shimshon

I’m not generalizing, I’m telling you the fact of life for most cities. I have already posed about a dozen citations backing up my claim that, not an “average citizen” but many people of color are forced into these choices because of the environment created by gangs.

“I’m not generalizing, I’m just using a handful of cases in a country of 300 million to claim that all black people in all large cities are risking their lives every time they wear red.”

Do you read the shit you write?

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TK-421  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:10:25am

Pedantry is so boring at 5 in the morning.

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:11:54am

re: #402 Nyet

More lying to save face. What you wrote:

When pressed on the source, you claimed that Goodman’s article claims it. But it did not even mention Ron Paul. And no, you did not mean Rand Paul as you’re trying to claim now, because it was Ron Paul who ran against Obama. So yes, you just made it up.

For the record, there is no need to bookmark your comment, the LGF search engine works just fine. But nice random accusation of antisemitism there. I don’t know if you’re Jewish (posting under a Jewish name doesn’t mean that you are), but you’re disliked because you’re an insufferable and lying asshole, not for anything else.

More lying? Look at your hostility. Lying about what? You mean I’m lying about you being dishonest and taking a typo of mine to mean I really meant RON rather than RAND? Or do you mean lying about the guy who champions himself as a diehard supporter of a joker candidate that thinks the civil rights act was tyranny couldn’t possibly be a former libertarian until new money shows up and he’s all aboard the Bernie train?

I don’t need to accuse you of it, you clearly showed your hatred of me, this is the 4th time now you have picked a fight randomly and tried to mock me under your breathe by pretending to talk to imaginary others about what a horrible person I am. And yet none of this started until I had the nerve to defend Israel from people calling Zionists modern day Nazis.

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:12:41am

re: #404 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’m not attacking the messenger if I am asking his particular knowledge or expertise in a subject. For example, if you were a criminal justice expert or LEO with particular experience with gang culture, your conclusions might carry more weight than from someone who has googled info and dropped links for others to read. You seem awfully defensive for someone who wants us to accept his analysis and conclusions without question. I was also asking if you had personal experience with gang culture because you seem rather obsessed with the particular topic.

Rather than accusing me of attacking the messenger, you could just answer the question.

And I didn’t go off topic. You brought up gangs in the context of the Dallas shooting. I said I was not discounting your remarks about gang rivalries and color choices in clothing, based on my own personal experience teaching. I’ve also coached debate and taught writing, and we teachers typically tell students to never rely on absolutes like “always,” “everyone,” or “everywhere” in an argument, because it allows the opposition the chance to disprove your point and weaken that argument. Guess what you did. You said gangs are in every city. Maybe that’s true. Maybe it isn’t. But offering anecdotal evidence to try to support your argument is not working. If you could find a reference, say from the FBI, that says unequivocably that gangs are present in every US city, your argument would hold a lot more water.

Right now, you’re just whining that we’re being mean because we don’t believe you’re right. IOW, you’re losing the debate.

go on, name me a city, all these words are just rambling, you are evading now when your specific point was I was stupid to claim gangs are a major problem in cities. So please, name. me. a. city.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:17:17am

re: #407 Shimshon

More lying? Look at your hostility. Lying about what? You mean I’m lying about you being dishonest and taking a typo of mine to mean I really meant RON rather than RAND? Or do you mean lying about the guy who champions himself as a diehard supporter of a joker candidate that thinks the civil rights act was tyranny couldn’t possibly be a former libertarian until new money shows up and he’s all aboard the Bernie train?

I don’t need to accuse you of it, you clearly showed your hatred of me, this is the 4th time now you have picked a fight randomly and tried to mock me under your breathe by pretending to talk to imaginary others about what a horrible person I am. And yet none of this started until I had the nerve to defend Israel from people calling Zionists modern day Nazis.

Three more lies. As I have already pointed out in the comment above, you did mean Ron Paul because Rand Paul did not run against Obama, Ron Paul did. So it wasn’t a typo. You clearly spelled our that you meant Ron Paul and that Goodman was against Obama for Ron Paul both times long before Warren became a household name.

Really, you’re showing your sociopathic streak. It’s right there, in black and white, in the very comment you’re replying to.

The second lie is that my dislike of you has anything to do with your defense of Israel. Rather, my dislike of you stems from how you entered LGF: by mass-downdinging my posts without any explanation whatsoever and then lying about the reason.

The third lie is that you defended Zionists against the “Nazi” accusations. Nobody here has made such accusations, so you have never defended against them here.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:18:47am

re: #408 Shimshon

go on, name me a city, all these words are just rambling, you are evading now when your specific point was I was stupid to claim gangs are a major problem in cities. So please, name. me. a. city.

Deflection. It’s not my job to prove your point, counselor.

And you are misquoting me. I did not say you were stupid. I said nothing about gangs being or not being a major problem in cities. You said originally that there were gangs in EVERY city. I doubt that is true, so I want proof. Your job, since you insist you are correct, is to provide that evidence. Anecdotal evidence is not admissible.

Also, you never asked me to offer a counterexample to your hypothesis, so I don’t feel I am under any obligation to provide one.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:19:39am

re: #403 Shimshon

They brought this shit here for another night just like Nyet brought his hate of me being Jewish Zionist and daring to call out his bro HA Goodman.

Yet two other lies.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:21:24am

Well, it’s dinner time here. So, y’all have fun and try not to break anything while I’m away.

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TK-421  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:22:36am

The woman had on red shoes, many many women wear red shoes(Tom Hanks wears one). In the heat of speculation, meh maybe it could have been possible to be gang related as it’s all speculation. The “suspect” was quickly cleared along with any speculation of gang activity as the cause. That should have ended right there. Furthermore, flashing colors would take more than a single person, marching in a downtown area very far removed from any gang turf (assuming here as it looks like a typical downtown/financial district part of town).

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Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:26:15am

re: #401 Shimshon

There’s that misquoting again.

Please show me where I have misquoted you.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:27:27am

Re gangs, colors, cities, and belief systems:

The discussion has conflated two concepts, the reality of gang mayhem and moral panic over gang infiltration of the hinterland. Daughter1 taught English and Bio in a children’s jail in a remote Alabama county. (The gangbangers didn’t ‘get’Jane Austen, but a curriculum is a curriculum.) The authorities were so freaked by gang influence, mostly MS-13, that any textbook in which a kid made any kind of mark was destroyed. Her experience underlines several likely points.

Little old ladies shopping in Talladega are not going to be killed for their fashion sense.

Once powerful international gangs are likely to operate anywhere in this country where poultry is processed.

Anything Anglo authorities think they know about the inner workings of gangs is incorrect/obsolete.

Somebody somewhere was probably killed for wearing the wrong colors.

It’s a bitch to teach the subjunctive to kids on suicide watch.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:29:01am

Shimshon’s lies so far in this thread:

1. “Ron Paul” was a typo and he meant Rand Paul.
2. I attacked/disliked him for being Jewish.
3. I defended Goodman who is my bro.
4. He defended Israel/Zionists against accusations of being Nazis.

A pretty pathological individual.

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:29:04am

re: #410 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Deflection. It’s not my job to prove your point, counselor.

And you are misquoting me. I did not say you were stupid. I said nothing about gangs being or not being a major problem in cities. You said originally that there were gangs in EVERY city. I doubt that is true, so I want proof. Your job, since you insist you are correct, is to provide that evidence. Anecdotal evidence is not admissible.

Also, you never asked me to offer a counterexample to your hypothesis, so I don’t feel I am under any obligation to provide one.

Deflection? Misquoting? Is this for real or a joke? You have been caught many times doing this to me, and now you are scrambling like crazy to get out of backing up your “gangs are not in every city” argument. So name a city and I’ll give you news stories on gangs. You can’t, that is why you’re backpeddaling from this.

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:30:17am

re: #416 Nyet

Shimshon’s lies so far in this thread:

1. “Ron Paul” was a typo and he meant Rand Paul.
2. I attacked/disliked him for being Jewish.
3. I defended Goodman who is my bro.
4. He defended Israel/Zionists against accusations of being Nazis.

A pretty pathological individual.

When you type RAN PAUL

If you think you know what I meant and you are sure I really meant Ron not Rand, then you have no business complaining about lies. You are doing a very poor job showing your criticism is legitimate and not based in a hatred that traces back to that one time you got caught calling Jews Nazis.

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:32:04am

re: #415 Decatur Deb

Re gangs, colors, cities, and belief systems:

The discussion has conflated two concepts, the reality of gang mayhem and moral panic over gang infiltration of the hinterland. Daughter1 taught English and Bio in a children’s jail in a remote Alabama county. (The gangbangers didn’t get Jane Austen, but a curriculum is a curriculum.) The authorities were so freaked by gang influence, mostly MS-13, that any textbook in which a kid made any kind of mark was destroyed. Her experience underlines several likely points.

Little old ladies shopping in Talladega are not going to be killed for their fashion sense.

Once powerful international gangs are likely to operate anywhere in this country where poultry is processed.

Anything Anglo authorities think they know about the inner workings of gangs is incorrect/obsolete.

Somebody somewhere was probably killed for wearing the wrong colors.

It’s a bitch to teach the subjunctive to kids on suicide watch.

I appreciate your comments and your experienced you shared, thank you. But I don’t know what “little old ladies” has to do with someone walking with a claimed mass murderer, or young minorities having to face the sad reality of going outside with the wrong colors could make them a target.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:32:25am

re: #418 Shimshon

When you type RAN PAUL

If you think you know what I meant and you are sure I really meant Ron not Rand, then you have no business complaining about lies. You are doing a very poor job showing your criticism is legitimate and not based in a hatred that traces back to that one time you got caught calling Jews Nazis.

You’re lying for the third time about this even though I have already quoted your comment that shows that you did mean Ron Paul.

He stated how he wanted Ron Paul to win instead of Obama both times, long before this election cycle and long before Warren was a household name.

You are also lying about me calling Jews Nazis, so that’s another lie on the list. Get help.

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Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:32:33am

re: #408 Shimshon

…your specific point was I was stupid to claim gangs are a major problem in cities.

See, this is why you’re getting jumped on. Shit like this. Nobody here has made a claim even close to “gangs aren’t a problem in cities”. Nobody. But here you are arguing against that position anyway.

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:33:26am

re: #421 Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)

See, this is why you’re getting jumped on. Shit like this. Nobody here has mad a claim even close to “gangs aren’t a problem in cities”. Nobody. But here you are arguing against that position anyway.

No. I jumped your ass for saying it’s like that in “every major city in the US”. Which was and continues to be complete bullshit.

this must have been just my imagination, or the beer talking. I guess… right? but you finally admit I’m getting jumped on because nobody seems to have a clue what everyone else is jumping on, you just have to be part of it to feel cool with the cool kids.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:35:13am

re: #422 Shimshon

You’re being jumped on because you’re a mentally unstable pathological liar. Nothing else.

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:35:15am

In every city gangs are operating and people are shot for the colors they wear. I will ask one last time, name a city and I’ll find a story. Next?

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:36:50am

re: #423 Nyet

You’re being jumped on because you’re a mentally unstable pathological liar. Nothing else.

Funny how these angry attacks against my character never happened until I had the nerve to call out your true feelings about Jews you thought you did a good job hiding in your dog whistle comments. I’m the only one sourcing citations to back up every claim I’ve made. And you now can’t admit your were so dishonest and angry you thought you could read my mind to know whether RAN meant RAND or RON. It doesn’t get any more mentally unstable and pathological than that does it?

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:40:25am

re: #425 Shimshon

Funny how these angry attacks against my character never happened until I had the nerve to call out your true feelings about Jews you thought you did a good job hiding in your dog whistle comments. I’m the only one sourcing citations to back up every claim I’ve made. And you now can’t admit your were so dishonest and angry you thought you could read my mind to know whether RAN meant RAND or RON. It doesn’t get any more mentally unstable and pathological than than does it?

You couldn’t have meant Rand Paul because Rand Paul never ran against Obama, as pointed out here:

littlegreenfootballs.com
So you’ve just lied about that for the fourth time. Also, you wrote “Ron Paul”.

The list of your lies in this thread so far:

1. “Ron Paul” was a typo and you meant Rand Paul (the lie repeated at least 4 times, despite the proof of the contrary).
2. I attacked/disliked you for being Jewish.
3. I defended Goodman who is my bro.
4. You defended Israel/Zionists against accusations of being Nazis.
5. I called Jews Nazis.

You’re a clearly unstable, pathological individual.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:41:00am

re: #417 Shimshon

Deflection? Misquoting? Is this for real or a joke? You have been caught many times doing this to me, and now you are scrambling like crazy to get out of backing up your “gangs are not in every city” argument. So name a city and I’ll give you news stories on gangs. You can’t, that is why you’re backpeddaling from this.

“Many times”? This my first argument with you, and I’m not the one saying anything about misquoting. You’re replying to me, but lumping me in with others here. Also, another bad debate tactic.

I am not scrambling for anything. It’s not my job to support your argument. That’s your job. You said gangs are in every city, but have yet to offer any compelling evidence for their omnipresence.

Something like this: nationalgangcenter.gov would go a long way toward supporting your argument. Note that it does not say gangs are “everywhere,” but suggests there are gangs in many locales across the USA.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:42:13am

re: #424 Shimshon

In every city gangs are operating and people are shot for the colors they wear. I will ask one last time, name a city and I’ll find a story. Next?

Rapid City, SD
Cedar Rapids, IA
Casper, WY
Billings, MT
Owensboro, KY

Game on.

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:42:23am

re: #426 Nyet

You couldn’t have meant Rand Paul because Rand Paul never ran against Obama, as pointed out here:

littlegreenfootballs.com
So you’ve just lied about that for the fourth time. Also, you wrote “Ron Paul”.

The list of your lies in this thread so far:

1. “Ron Paul” was a typo and he meant Rand Paul (the lie repeated at least 4 times, despite the proof of the contrary).
2. I attacked/disliked him for being Jewish.
3. I defended Goodman who is my bro.
4. He defended Israel/Zionists against accusations of being Nazis.
5. I called Jews Nazis.

You’re a clearly unstable, pathological individual.

Your obsession has become worse with every post, in fact you have now expanded the lie about Rand and Ron because I also pointed out in 2012 he was a fan of R-O-N.

I think it’s time for you to stop taking your hatred of the evil Zionists out on me, nothing you lash out with is going to change the facts about bigotry you obviously are uncomfortable with.

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William Lewis  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:43:14am

re: #415 Decatur Deb

It’s a bitch to teach the subjunctive to kids on suicide watch.

There is a sad truth in that line, the kind that would make it a good dot sig line even without context.

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:43:38am

re: #427 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

“Many times”? This my first argument with you, and I’m not the one saying anything about misquoting. You’re replying to me, but lumping me in with others here. Also, another bad debate tactic.

I am not scrambling for anything. It’s not my job to support your argument. That’s your job. You said gangs are in every city, but have yet to offer any compelling evidence for their omnipresence.

Something like this: nationalgangcenter.gov would go a long way toward supporting your argument. Note that it does not say gangs are “everywhere,” but suggests there are gangs in many locales across the USA.

What is this? Now I have to go find a source for every single city having gang problems? I asked you to simply name one city and I will find stories of gangs including shootings based on clothing/colors. Why are you resisting this so much you have to tell me I should spend hours finding news stories for each city?

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William Lewis  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:44:26am

re: #424 Shimshon

In every city gangs are operating and people are shot for the colors they wear. I will ask one last time, name a city and I’ll find a story. Next?

Eau Claire WI. I’ll check with you next month or so.

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Alyosha  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:44:42am

Oy.

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:47:11am

re: #432 William Lewis

Eau Claire WI. I’ll check with you next month or so.

I am disappointed, you thought you were going to gotcha me because the city is one of the safest in the country

en.wikipedia.org

Yatau Her, Xee Lor, and Fong Vang were M.O.D gang members also involved in the pool hall shooting. Yatau had escaped from a juvenile prison during a work release program in California. After the pool hall shooting, Yatau was involved in an armed robbery and attempted homicide at a local store in Eau Claire, Wisconsin, along with other M.O.D gang members. The three gang members were spotted a few weeks later by two police authorities. At this point, Xee Lor shot and fired at the officers with a .38-caliber semiautomatic handgun. In return, the officers fired back, wounding Xee. The three of them were captured the same day after a few hours of pursuit.[2][15]

Another city? Make it tougher on me.

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:48:32am

And because I’m such a nice Zionist here is one more

weau.com

Eau Claire Police have arrested two men for reportedly beating a pedestrian on Water Street two weeks ago. Police say the unprovoked attack was part of a gang initiation.

But I have to wait a month for a reply :(

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:49:41am

re: #431 Shimshon

What is this? Now I have to go find a source for every single city having gang problems? I asked you to simply name one city and I will find stories of gangs including shootings based on clothing/colors. Why are you resisting this so much you have to tell me I should spend hours finding news stories for each city?

For the love of Mike, I told you what I wanted to see: authoritative evidence from a recognized source stating unequivocably that gangs are in every city. That’s your argument. Citing articles from different locations about gang violence is anecdotal evidence and specifically not what I am demanding, nor would it support your contention gangs are in every city.

Meanwhile, you haven’t answered my questions, such as, do you live in the USA and do you have personal experience with gangs? Instead, you accuse me of attacking the messenger. An overly defensive non-response also does not help your argument.

No, I am really going to eat dinner. So, hasta la vista.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:51:26am

re: #429 Shimshon

Your obsession has become worse with every post, in fact you have now expanded the lie about Rand and Ron because I also pointed out in 2012 he was a fan of R-O-N.

I think it’s time for you to stop taking your hatred of the evil Zionists out on me, nothing you lash out with is going to change the facts about bigotry you obviously are uncomfortable with.

So this is the fifth time you lie about the Pauls.

What actually happened:

I wrote:

This article is linked to above. Before that he was promoting Warren. So it’s a progressive turning into a libertarian because of the Clinton-hatred, not the other way around - at least for this time period.

You tried to “correct” me without citing any sources or supporting your words in any way:

He stated how he wanted Ron Paul to win instead of Obama both times, long before this election cycle and long before Warren was a household name.

I asked for a source of the claim that he supported Ron Paul:

Got a link for that?

To which you replied:

It’s all in the article I linked. He bashes Obama and promotes Ran Paul.

Since I asked about Goodman’s alleged support of Ron Paul, and Ron Paul was not mentioned in the article you linked, I replied:

Well, first of all, the article was about Rand Paul, not Ron.
Second, just I said, he was supporting Warren before that.

huffingtonpost.com

Third, you claimed: “He stated how he wanted Ron Paul to win instead of Obama both times, long before this election cycle “. This is nowhere to be found in the article.

Looks like you made it up.

Anyway, you were wrong on all points.

You were caught in a lie, so you never replied to that last comment.

So that’s the whole story. You lied and you’re continuing to lie. A very pathological case.

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:52:18am

re: #436 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

For the love of Mike, I told you what I wanted to see: authoritative evidence from a recognized source stating unequivocably that gangs are in every city. That’s your argument. Citing articles from different locations about gang violence is anecdotal evidence and specifically not what I am demanding, nor would it support your contention gangs are in every city.

Meanwhile, you haven’t answered my questions, such as, do you live in the USA and do you have personal experience with gangs? Instead, you accuse me of attacking the messenger. An overly defensive non-response also does not help your argument.

No, I am really going to eat dinner. So, hasta la vista.

How exactly do you find such a resource? I guess you could search through the SPLC but you’d have to gather up a lot of evidence. This is why I said just name a city and I will find gangs operating as well as gang attacks on civilians. But you want to crate a new impossible task for me because you just can’t admit you don’t know anything about gangs in America. By the way aren’t you in China or something? And you’re trying to question my knowledge of America and where I live? This place is so strange when I go against prevailing wisdom.

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Alyosha  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:53:16am

re: #435 Shimshon

Not related to the post, but I think it’s your over-vigilance and reactive defensiveness that puts people off. If I’m not mistaken you did single out Happy Warrior as not being sufficiently liberal that one time for recognising the historical ambiguity of the Carnegies.
Forgive me if I’m incorrect.

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:53:46am

re: #437 Nyet

So this is the fifth time you lie about the Pauls.

What actually happened:

I wrote:

You tried to “correct” me without citing any sources or supporting your words in any way:

I asked for a source of the claim that he supported Ron Paul:

To which you replied:

Since I asked about Goodman’s alleged support of Ron Paul, and Ron Paul was not mentioned in the article you linked, I replied:

You were caught in a lie, so you never replied to that last comment.

So that’s the whole story. You lied and you’re continuing to lie. A very pathological case.

it’s time for you to step away and stop trying to keep picking a fight with me that you are so desperate to have you thought reading my mind about a misspelling was a good starting point. You are doing a great job showing who has mental issues and who was projecting.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:54:05am

re: #439 Alyosha

You’re correct. The pathological liar attacked HW for nothing.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:54:52am

re: #440 Shimshon

As I have demonstrated in the comment you’ve just quoted, that was no misspelling. So that’s the sixth time you repeat the lie.

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:54:55am

re: #439 Alyosha

Not related to the post, but I think it’s your over-vigilance and reactive defensiveness that puts people off. If I’m not mistaken you did single out Happy Warrior as not being sufficiently liberal that one time for recognising the historical ambiguity of the Carnegies.
Forgive me if I’m incorrect.

Then ask a dozen people to stop picking on me for 2 days. Even when I took a break for hours I had constant replies and accusations as well as now certain people calling me mentally ill.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:57:00am

re: #419 Shimshon

I appreciate your comments and your experienced you shared, thank you. But I don’t know what “little old ladies” has to do with someone walking with a claimed mass murderer, or young minorities having to face the sad reality of going outside with the wrong colors could make them a target.

It has to do with the centuries-old caution that gangs demonstrate in keeping most violence in the family.

And yes, definable gangs of very many types are pervasive. From a comment on a board discussing Birmingham AL gangs:

“Gansters been here since Cowboys&Indians Just deal wit it Lol.”
September 2, 2014 by A Wikia contributor

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:58:38am

re: #443 Shimshon

as well as now certain people calling me mentally ill.

Well, how else would one explain your behavior, including the pathological lies, to wit:

1. “Ron Paul” was a typo and you meant Rand Paul (the lie repeated at least 6 times, despite the proof of the contrary).
2. I attacked/disliked you for being Jewish.
3. I defended Goodman who is my bro.
4. You defended Israel/Zionists against accusations of being Nazis.
5. I called Jews Nazis.

Maybe by positing that I was right in my initial assessment of you and you’re simply a troll/sockuppet?

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Alyosha  Jul 9, 2016 • 3:59:31am

re: #443 Shimshon

Then ask a dozen people to stop picking on me for 2 days. Even when I took a break for hours I had constant replies and accusations as well as now certain people calling me mentally ill.

Sometimes we fuck up. Sometimes we’re genuinely misunderstood.
Mostly we accept the judgement of the board if we cannot overcome it and reappear later. Don’t feel obligated to respond to every response so personally.

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 4:00:27am

re: #442 Nyet

As I have demonstrated in the comment I’ve just quoted, that was no misspelling. So that’s the sixth time you repeat the lie.

You can’t help yourself, I have already gone over this, including my reply to the “didn’t support Obama” you just have to keep repeating yourself because you are now obsessed with one upping and bullying me and none of this happened until I called our your anti-Semitism.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 4:07:33am

re: #448 Shimshon

You can’t help yourself, I have already gone over this, including my reply to the “didn’t support Obama” you just have to keep repeating yourself because you are now obsessed with one upping and bullying me and none of this happened until I called our your anti-Semitism.

Except you never did. The only thing that you wrote was:

you have now expanded the lie about Rand and Ron because I also pointed out in 2012 he was a fan of R-O-N.

Except the (made up) claim that Goodman was a Ron Paul supporter in 2012 (and 2008) is exactly what I was asking a citation for. Not about Rand Paul. Ron Paul. You never provided a citation, referring me to the article that never even mentioned Ron Paul.

The record is clear, you’ve never addressed it, and you throwing false accusations of antisemitism around not only cheapens the term, it makes you look pretty pathetic, since you’re not being attacked for being Jewish (we don’t know that you are), but rather for being a pathological liar and an asshole.

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 4:11:48am

re: #449 Nyet

Except you never did. The only thing that you wrote was:

Except the (made up) claim that Goodman was a Ron Paul supporter in 2012 (and 2008) is exactly what I was asking a citation for. Not about Rand Paul. Ron Paul. You never provided a citation, referring me to the article that never even mentioned Ron Paul.

The record is clear, you’ve never addressed it, and you throwing false accusations of antisemitism around not only cheapens the term, it makes you look pretty pathetic, since you’re not being attacked for being Jewish (we don’t know that you are), but rather for being a pathological liar and an asshole.

False accusations? Are accusations of my mental health acceptable? Apparently they are. But the accusations of anti-Semitism come from your dog whistle insults of “Zionists” as well as trying your hardest to compare them to Nazis without saying the word Nazi. I see this nice double standard, you have to ignore my replies and say “nope you never replied” and “how dare you accuse me of something now watch me accuse you of being mentally ill!” You really need to get help, you are going more off the rails than you did after your hatred of Jews was called out. Since there is no ignore feature on this board I’ll just have to note each person I reply to to never read your nonsense again.

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Shimshon  Jul 9, 2016 • 4:15:06am

re: #447 Alyosha

Sometimes we fuck up. Sometimes we’re genuinely misunderstood.
Mostly we accept the judgement of the board if we cannot overcome it and reappear later. Don’t feel obligated to respond to every response so personally.

I’m addressing all the people who followed me for days, since if I don’t address them, they will keep at it. Now that I explained myself, and gave more citations, those debates are over. There is one mentally unstable loon still looking for a fight because they have not come to accept that their views about Jews make them bigoted but sooner or later they have to accept who they are or change. Thanks for bringing what my comments look like to an outsider though as advice not hostility. Have a good night.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 4:17:22am

re: #450 Shimshon

False accusations? Are accusations of my mental health acceptable? Apparently they are. But the accusations of anti-Semitism come from your dog whistle insults of “Zionists” as well as trying your hardest to compare them to Nazis without saying the word Nazi. I see this nice double standard, you have to ignore my replies and say “nope you never replied” and “how dare you accuse me of something now watch me accuse you of being mentally ill!” You really need to get help, you are going more off the rails than you did after your hatred of Jews was called out. Since there is no ignore feature on this board I’ll just have to note each person I reply to to never read your nonsense again.

Since I never insulted Zionists, and in my interactions with you never even used the term (as far as I can remember), not to mention that I’ve never implied, overtly or covertly, that Zionists are Nazis, yes, you’re exposed as a pathological liar again. You’re just making stuff up. None of what you wrote above happened. There was no “hatred of Jews”, no signs of antisemitism, and yes, you made up the Ron Paul claim too.

Given these pathological delusions coupled with your other behavior in this and other threads one may hypothesize that you’re mentally ill. At the very least you’re mentally unstable, that is for sure.

Or a sockpuppet/troll.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 4:32:02am

re: #425 Shimshon

I’m the only one sourcing citations to back up every claim I’ve made.

Funny how you’ve never cited any sources for the claims below, which you just made up out of whole cloth:

1. “Ron Paul” was a typo and you meant Rand Paul (the lie repeated at least 7 times, despite the proof of the contrary).
2. I attacked/disliked you for being Jewish.
3. I defended Goodman who is my bro.
4. You defended Israel/Zionists against accusations of being Nazis.
5. I called Jews Nazis.
6. I’ve shown hatred of Jews.

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Alyosha  Jul 9, 2016 • 4:34:29am
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“LALALALALA I CAN’T HEAR YOU!!”  Jul 9, 2016 • 4:38:20am

re: #435 Shimshon

uh. I live across the river from where that went down - less than a mile away. I really don’t want to get involved with whatever is going on, but there’s no way in hell people here are wondering what color shoes they’ll be wearing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2016 • 4:41:16am

re: #455 “LALALALALA I CAN’T HEAR YOU!!”

uh. I live across the river from where that went down - less than a mile away. I really don’t want to get involved with whatever is going on, but there’s no way in hell people here are wondering what color shoes they’ll be wearing.

There used to be a thing among the skinhead scene in Germany with coded shoelace colors for your Doc Martens steel-toed boots, they were supposed to mark if you were ready to engage in violence or if you had killed someone or if you were a right or left-wing skinhead, etc.

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“LALALALALA I CAN’T HEAR YOU!!”  Jul 9, 2016 • 4:43:25am

re: #456 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

ok, but that’s not Eau Claire, WI.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 4:52:15am

re: #438 Shimshon

How exactly do you find such a resource?

As a first step, Google. That’s how I found the one I already cited. nationalgangcenter.gov

I guess you could search through the SPLC but you’d have to gather up a lot of evidence. This is why I said just name a city and I will find gangs operating as well as gang attacks on civilians.

I did. Awaiting your reply.

re: #428 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Rapid City, SD
Cedar Rapids, IA
Casper, WY
Billings, MT
Owensboro, KY

Game on.

But you want to crate a new impossible task for me because you just can’t admit you don’t know anything about gangs in America.

It’s not impossible. I found something partially supporting your claim. You need to find something better if you want me to believe your argument.

As I have previously stated, I have indirect knowledge of gangs in America from my years of teaching. No personal knowledge.

By the way aren’t you in China or something? And you’re trying to question my knowledge of America and where I live? This place is so strange when I go against prevailing wisdom.

I’ve lived abroad nine years abroad of my 60 years on Earth. The other 51 were in the USA, where I was born. Now, where have you lived, and where do you live now or are you going to duck the question again?

The prevailing wisdom here is evidence-based arguments, aspects of which you fail to comprehend. Anecdotal evidence — gangs in this particular city or that one — does not support the contention that gangs are in *every* city. The link I found above, which I found within 30 seconds of googling “gangs US cities”, would be the kind of evidence that could support your argument. Yet, you seem reluctant to or incapable of providing it.

You said gangs are in every city. Citation needed.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 9, 2016 • 4:53:43am
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Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)  Jul 9, 2016 • 4:57:18am

re: #422 Shimshon

No. I jumped your ass for saying it’s like that in “every major city in the US”. Which was and continues to be complete bullshit.

this must have been just my imagination, or the beer talking. I guess… right?

No, just you being dishonest. The disputed claim was not “there is gang activity in every major city”, it was “there is gang activity in every major city to such a degree that a black person who wears red in any major city is taking a serious risk”. You keep equivocating between those two claims as convenience dictates.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 4:58:04am

Honestly, I’ve feeling a sense of deja vu now, having had similar go-rounds with creationists and the like.

Opinions are not facts.
Assertions are not evidence.
Absolutes are difficult to prove, and need compelling irrefutable evidence to be accepted.
Anecdotal evidence is not compelling proof of something.
Moving goalposts and ducking direct questions weaken one’s argument, and suggest you have no real evidence to support that argument.
Claiming you are an expert without offering evidence of such is also suspect.

Sound familiar?

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Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)  Jul 9, 2016 • 5:01:04am

re: #425 Shimshon

And you now can’t admit your were so dishonest and angry you thought you could read my mind to know whether RAN meant RAND or RON. It doesn’t get any more mentally unstable and pathological than that does it?

We don’t have to read your mind. Only one of them ran against Obama, so either you are lying now, or you had no idea what you were talking about then. Or both.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 5:03:13am

Shimshon is LGF’s version of H.A. Goodman.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 5:03:35am

BTW, reload my 458. It left out some necessary words.

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Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)  Jul 9, 2016 • 5:04:31am

re: #429 Shimshon

Your obsession has become worse with every post, in fact you have now expanded the lie about Rand and Ron because I also pointed out in 2012 he was a fan of R-O-N.

I think it’s time for you to stop taking your hatred of the evil Zionists out on me, nothing you lash out with is going to change the facts about bigotry you obviously are uncomfortable with.

Yeah dude, this is definitely what someone who is winning an argument sounds like.

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BlackPearl  Jul 9, 2016 • 5:06:49am

re: #456 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Oh, eek, I moved to Germany in 2008 and proceeded to go to a ton of festivals in my 20-eye Docs that a previous bf had patiently relaced with red velvet ribbon for me. I’d never heard of such a code. OTOH, I was wearing them with skirts and lacy jackets, so clearly not part of the skinhead crown, but yikes. Meanwhile, the ribbons evtl. became too frayed so I’m back to plain black laces.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 5:11:51am

re: #444 Nyet

Further back in musical time, we have the same question.

The Coasters - Charlie Brown

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BlackPearl  Jul 9, 2016 • 5:16:29am

re: #466 BlackPearl

Meanwhile, at most of the festivals I’ve attended, the skinheads were pretty over-the-top in proclaiming their antifa creds, so I never worried too much about them. The attendees that make me twitch are the Nachtmahr fans. WWII uniform semi-fetish-y clothes are eyebrow-raising in America, problematic in Germany, and the Nachtmahr folks take it juuust to the edge of “how are you not getting thrown out of here?”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 5:22:02am

re: #431 Shimshon

What is this? Now I have to go find a source for every single city having gang problems? I asked you to simply name one city and I will find stories of gangs including shootings based on clothing/colors. Why are you resisting this so much you have to tell me I should spend hours finding news stories for each city?

re: #434 Shimshon

I am disappointed, you thought you were going to gotcha me because the city is one of the safest in the country

en.wikipedia.org

Yatau Her, Xee Lor, and Fong Vang were M.O.D gang members also involved in the pool hall shooting. Yatau had escaped from a juvenile prison during a work release program in California. After the pool hall shooting, Yatau was involved in an armed robbery and attempted homicide at a local store in Eau Claire, Wisconsin, along with other M.O.D gang members. The three gang members were spotted a few weeks later by two police authorities. At this point, Xee Lor shot and fired at the officers with a .38-caliber semiautomatic handgun. In return, the officers fired back, wounding Xee. The three of them were captured the same day after a few hours of pursuit.[2][15]

Another city? Make it tougher on me.

re: #435 Shimshon

And because I’m such a nice Zionist here is one more

weau.com

Eau Claire Police have arrested two men for reportedly beating a pedestrian on Water Street two weeks ago. Police say the unprovoked attack was part of a gang initiation.

But I have to wait a month for a reply :(

The evidence you said you would provide (see highlighted section in the first comment, #431) you did not provide with the second and third comments. I see no shootings based on shoe colors. Want to try again, Sherlock?

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 5:24:42am

re: #469 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Something deeply wrong with this guy.

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2016 • 5:28:24am

Shims honestly has not only earned the honor that I skip past his comments, which I currently only do for D_F, but I’m also skipping past replies the mention his name.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 5:28:46am

re: #470 Nyet

Something deeply wrong with this guy.

Very defensive and thin-skinned, if you ask me. We challenge him and ask for evidence, and he gets all combative, accusing us of being mean people.

Dude, Shimshon, just answer the questions. Or at least entertain the notion that you might not be 100% correct all the time.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 5:31:13am

re: #472 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Very defensive and thin-skinned, if you ask me. We challenge him and ask for evidence, and he gets all combative, accusing us of being mean people.

Dude, Shimshon, just answer the questions. Or at least entertain the notion that you might not be 100% correct all the time.

Then he lies about what he claimed, what other people claimed, tries to psychologize all his opponents, and lies about some of them being antisemitic.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 5:31:30am

re: #471 Belafon

Shims honestly has not only earned the honor that I skip past his comments, which I currently only do for D_F, but I’m also skipping past replies the mention his name.

Normally, I would not engage such a character, but his repeated ducking of simple questions and ad hominems got to me.

I doubt he will answer mine. And I really could give a shit.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 5:33:03am

re: #473 Nyet

Then he lies about what he claimed, what other people claimed, tries to psychologize all his opponents, and lies about some of them being antisemitic.

The whole Zionist angle lost me, so I didn’t engage. We went from talking about shoe colors and gang warfare to Zionism and Nazis. WTF?

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 5:33:20am

re: #474 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Normally, I would not engage such a character, but his repeated ducking of simple questions and ad hominems got to me.

I’ve experienced something like arguing with Holocaust deniers and Katyn deniers. Haven’t argued with creationists that much, but I suppose the experience is similar.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 5:33:34am

So, how ‘bout those Cubbies, huh?

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 5:33:39am

re: #475 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The whole Zionist angle lost me, so I didn’t engage. We went from talking about shoe colors and gang warfare to Zionism and Nazis. WTF?

Dude just not right in the head.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 5:36:47am

re: #476 Nyet

I’ve experienced something like arguing with Holocaust deniers and Katyn deniers. Haven’t argued with creationists that much, but I suppose the experience is similar.

Yes. They have the same impenetrable wall about their opinions and beliefs, which is impervious to logic or factual evidence. When challenged on a specific claim, they either deflect the challenge by attacking the challenger or by moving the goalposts. Either way, they duck the challenge and thereafter claim they won their point.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 5:37:37am

Then again, when I debunk deniers, I usually get called a Jew:

Jewish supremacist Sergey Romanov is a primary spokesman for the racist “Holocaust Industry”.

~ Jonnie “Hannover” Hargis, main moderator of the CODOH forum.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 5:44:54am

re: #480 Nyet

Then again, when I debunk deniers, I usually get called a Jew:

~ Jonnie “Hannover” Hargis, main moderator of the CODOH forum.

Charming.

Creationists just figure I’m damned or under Satan’s influence. IOW, they can ignore me as an apostate or as someone leading them into sin.

Like dancing.

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Alyosha  Jul 9, 2016 • 5:47:03am

re: #480 Nyet

‘Holocaust Industry’ reminds me of the book by Norman G. Finkelstein. Chomsky was my gateway for that one, just wondering what your bead was on him as a researcher.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 5:51:13am

re: #482 Alyosha

‘Holocaust Industry’ reminds me of the book by Norman G. Finkelstein. Chomsky was my gateway for that one, just wondering what your bead was on him as a researcher.

They took it straight from Finky.

Finkelstein is such an unreliable source (veering into antisemitic rhetoric) that it doesn’t seem worth one’s time to check his books out for what’s true and what’s not.

There are better books on the political dimension of the Holocaust, like Peter Novick’s.

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ObserverArt  Jul 9, 2016 • 5:55:31am

Is it safe?

(motion picture reference)

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Alyosha  Jul 9, 2016 • 5:55:34am

re: #483 Nyet

Many thanks.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 5:57:22am

re: #484 ObserverArt

Is it safe?

(motion picture reference)

The coast is clear. It’s sleeping, I think.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 5:58:18am

re: #484 ObserverArt

Is it safe?

(motion picture reference)

Yes, but sorry for the smell. And mind the pieces on the floor.

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Joe Bacon  Jul 9, 2016 • 6:17:58am

re: #325 Nyet

Frankly, DF lost most of my good will.

Three reasons.

1. The honesty of his crass opinions doesn’t make them less crass.

2. The inability to stick to his word (see, voting for Cruz).

3. In Trump times you gotta be all against Trump. Which also means voting for whomever that runs against him and is not worse than him.

I cannot forgive the snide remarks he posted about my son being killed in Iraq. But he’s not the first Republican to insult me and he won’t be the last…

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Joe Bacon  Jul 9, 2016 • 6:20:04am

re: #330 goddamnedfrank

I’m not going to snap at this guy but this shit bugs me.

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I’ll be damned if I’m going to dumb down my vocabulary to just to appease random people. I mean fuck, I only really speak one language fluently and that’s embarrassing enough without deliberately Trumping it up.

GREEN =

Getting
Republicans
Elected
Every
November.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 6:21:54am

re: #489 Joe Bacon

Ha, good one.

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jeffreyw  Jul 9, 2016 • 6:28:04am

Imgur
Good morning? Perhaps, too early to say for sure.

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Joe Bacon  Jul 9, 2016 • 6:30:08am

re: #345 Nyet

I have lots of brainwashed family members and relatives who swallow this Religious Right bullshit. Which is why I truly despise these pulpit pimps who push this ignorant bullshit.

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darthstar  Jul 9, 2016 • 6:35:56am

How do you say “Let’s roll” in Chinese?

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ObserverArt  Jul 9, 2016 • 6:36:27am

I don’t want to get into a big long slog post war over really what amounts to nothing really…but!

If I remember correctly, late Thursday an image showed up of a young Black woman wearing red shoes which brought up a discussion of gang colors.

I can’t remember the last time I read where gang colors were a big thing. Why? Because most of that died down after the 90s due to several reasons.

One, many gangs held meetings and decided they need to chill some of that stuff out. Second, the gangs began to realize if they wore their colors as a display the police would also know they were in gang and which one so they could put color and territory together, etc.

So, overall, gang colors are not what they were at their height. Does the problem still exist. Yes, and as far as I can tell LA seems to still have the biggest problem with it.

I live in Columbus…we have gangs. The colors thing doesn’t seem to be the issue it was (and it was never as bad as LA and some other cities). Also, the colors things is only a problem in certain areas of the city among the gangs, many times between members that know one another as gang members.

How do I know this? I live in an area where a lot of White people would never venture in the 80s and 90s. The gang shit was (and may still be) right up the street and around the corner. Columbus Ohio, Near East Side. Check the records. And I never worried about colors because I am a white guy not associated with gangs and I don’t wear biker colors either…or something.

Our biggest gang problem was a street gang big in drugs called the Short North Posse. I don’t think they wore colors…they just knew who was a member and who wasn’t. If you weren’t you didn’t mess with their territory. If you were a young woman wearing red shoes but were not selling drugs in their territory or ratting them out to the police you were fine.

After the original post made a fairly speculative generalization that certain colors would get anyone in trouble in almost all major cities was questioned and proof was asked, the proof wasn’t even about the same type of gangs. And that continued, with everything from bikers (what they have to do with bloods and crips I’ll never know) to militias, prison gangs, etc.

And some of the proof was about stuff gangs did in asked for cities but has nothing to do with the original point about people and colors. Like the bikers in Texas. Nothing about that has anything to do with Black women wearing red shoes. Same with people getting beat up. Where is the proof the beating was due to colors? Or, was it gangers being assholes and robbing people?

And then the wheels came off and the butthurt came out with more stretching to prove the proof.

And now this thread. Yikes.

You cannot debate with someone moving the target, getting people saying you moved the target and trying to point out the posting timeline and then getting upset because everything you post is getting picked on.

It needs to be realized you are in a debate death spiral and the best way out is to pull up and stop, read and try to understand why so many are now “ganging” up on you.

There is almost all the time a reason for a majority of people (cool kids?) saying the same thing about your comments and usually you have a large part in it. It always gets worse when you can’t recognize the part you play. And calling the people “kool kids” is chumming the waters to get a group of individuals upset. You built that!

Sorry to have joined in the mess. Just wanted to offer a perspective of where the whole debate seemed to go wrong.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 9, 2016 • 6:36:39am

re: #490 Nyet

Ha, good one.

That’s HA HA GOODONEAUTHOR to you….

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ObserverArt  Jul 9, 2016 • 6:38:09am

re: #493 darthstar

How do you say “Let’s roll” in Chinese?

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Whoa! I guess that is taking things into your own hands.

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darthstar  Jul 9, 2016 • 6:38:36am

Great news for Microsoft:

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 6:41:32am

re: #494 ObserverArt

Shimshon outright lied about me - brazenly, remorselessly, numerous times in this thread - so I think there’s even more to it than an inability to concede he was wrong.

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darthstar  Jul 9, 2016 • 6:41:51am

re: #494 ObserverArt

All I need to know about gangs I learned from Robert De Niro and Sean Penn in “Colors”…

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 9, 2016 • 6:42:54am

re: #493 darthstar

How do you say “Let’s roll” in Chinese?

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re: #496 ObserverArt

Whoa! I guess that is taking things into your own hands.

With Six You Get Eggroll

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Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2016 • 6:43:31am

re: #499 darthstar

All I need to know about gangs I learned from Robert De Niro and Sean Penn in “Colors”…

“Well, they began it…”

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2016 • 6:44:05am

re: #494 ObserverArt

Since the likelihood of the shootings in Dallas having anything to do with gang activity was close to zero, it was a weirdly off-topic wander.

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darthstar  Jul 9, 2016 • 6:46:14am

I think I’ve come up with a way to make Twitter more tolerable. Follow people who post about things other than Trump’s racism or the outrageous outrage du jour all the time. Let odd things like Altas Obscura pics, geeky code snippets, and snarky OCEARCH sharks dilute the anger juice…

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ObserverArt  Jul 9, 2016 • 6:47:06am

re: #498 Nyet

Shimshon outright lied about me - brazenly, remorselessly, numerous times in this thread - so I think there’s even more to it than an inability to concede he was wrong.

He likes to dig his own holes and doesn’t realize he is using dynamite which makes big holes fast. I agree. I was just trying to clean up where it all went wrong. He doesn’t seem to ever want to be seen as being wrong. It is a debate…we can all be wrong to degrees and then learn from it. But you have to be open to debate, you can’t always think you are 100% right and free from any come backs.

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Nyet  Jul 9, 2016 • 6:49:33am

re: #504 ObserverArt

It’s funny how he claimed numerous times that only he provides links to sources, then didn’t provide any to back up his accusations (lies).

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ObserverArt  Jul 9, 2016 • 6:51:21am

re: #502 jaunte

Since the likelihood of the shootings in Dallas having anything to do with gang activity was close to zero, it was a weirdly off-topic wander.

He got caught up in that one photo which in hindsight showed the guy wasn’t even involved and after seeing him on MSNBC last night seemed to be far from a gang member and a pretty decent and smart young man.

He is bold…he did say he decided to bring his gun because he is in an open carry state/city and if white guys can he can too. Bold sometimes gets you in trouble even if you are right. He is still young. 5 years from now he may look back and think “WTF was I thinking!”

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2016 • 6:54:20am

re: #506 ObserverArt

Yes, he had a narrow escape.
I hope other open carry enthusiasts will take a lesson from his experience.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2016 • 6:54:53am

But probably not.

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TK-421  Jul 9, 2016 • 6:55:30am

Damnit I can’t sleep.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2016 • 6:55:56am
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darthstar  Jul 9, 2016 • 6:57:35am
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darthstar  Jul 9, 2016 • 6:58:26am

re: #511 darthstar

It’s worth the five minutes to go read.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2016 • 7:00:00am

re: #499 darthstar

All I need to know about gangs I learned from Robert De Niro and Sean Penn in “Colors”…

Nah…..The Warriors.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 9, 2016 • 7:02:08am

re: #513 Dr Lizardo

Nah…..The Warriors.

The Warriors Luther “Come Out To Play”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 9, 2016 • 7:05:54am

re: #510 jaunte

So a cop is making a fool of himself over 3 emails. Good going, guy!

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2016 • 7:06:16am

re: #399 goddamnedfrank

This isn’t fun, or interesting, or insightful, or informative, please chill.

Or don’t, whatever. Keep engaging with folks in multi-thread long battles if that’s your thing. It’s your hot body, do what you want. I’ve said my piece.

I really want a Mute button. Some people are just…tiresome.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 9, 2016 • 7:06:31am

re: #512 darthstar

You’re a slow reader. ////

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2016 • 7:08:38am

re: #405 Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)

“I’m not generalizing, I’m just using a handful of cases in a country of 300 million to claim that all black people in all large cities are risking their lives every time they wear red.”

Do you read the shit you write?

It’s all black people now. Originally it was “the average person in every major city”.

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darthstar  Jul 9, 2016 • 7:11:20am

re: #514 FormerDirtDart

Apparently he ad libbed that scene with the bottles based on a kid who was a bully when he was himself a child.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2016 • 7:13:25am

re: #422 Shimshon

No. I jumped your ass for saying it’s like that in “every major city in the US”. Which was and continues to be complete bullshit.

this must have been just my imagination, or the beer talking. I guess… right? but you finally admit I’m getting jumped on because nobody seems to have a clue what everyone else is jumping on, you just have to be part of it to feel cool with the cool kids.

Slight of hand. Or what most people call lying.

What I was referring to, and you damn well know it, wasn’t gang presence in every city but fear of being killed over fashion choices in every major city.

Gah. This guy.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2016 • 7:13:45am

re: #519 darthstar

Apparently he ad libbed that scene with the bottles based on a kid who was a bully when he was himself a child.

There’s a lot of interesting - and occasionally humorous - trivia about that film.

imdb.com

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darthstar  Jul 9, 2016 • 7:14:25am
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lawhawk  Jul 9, 2016 • 7:20:11am

re: #522 darthstar

If you like having diversions on Twitter, follow any number of national park sites. They’ll frequently post photos and stories about what’s going on in the parks - and most of it is good stuff, along with the occasional human stupidity or requesting folks call for more funding to keep the parks going.

The Parks have my unconditional support, but it seems that many Americans simply don’t bother going to them, and kids aren’t understanding just how revolutionary and important they are. Want to change that, and I’m really contemplating volunteering at one in coming years…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2016 • 7:21:43am

re: #523 lawhawk

If you like having diversions on Twitter, follow any number of national park sites. They’ll frequently post photos and stories about what’s going on in the parks - and most of it is good stuff, along with the occasional human stupidity or requesting folks call for more funding to keep the parks going.

The Parks have my unconditional support, but it seems that many Americans simply don’t bother going to them, and kids aren’t understanding just how revolutionary and important they are. Want to change that, and I’m really contemplating volunteering at one in coming years…

National parks are like pension plans: some people look at them and think about all that they could do with those resources if only the government and the law were not preventing them…

525
lawhawk  Jul 9, 2016 • 7:22:20am

Can’t escape trash anywhere on the planet it seems. Even the deepest spot in the ocean…

It had to be a Fanta can…

526
TK-421  Jul 9, 2016 • 7:24:11am

You know who drank Fanta..

527
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2016 • 7:24:50am

re: #526 TK-421

You know who drank Fanta..

you know who invented Fanta…

528
MsJ  Jul 9, 2016 • 7:25:22am

re: #494 ObserverArt

Outstanding!

529
lawhawk  Jul 9, 2016 • 7:25:37am

re: #524 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yup. The GOP is all about privatizing all the management aspects, and then exploiting the parks. They’re already agitating to mine/drill right up to the park borders. They’re already spoiling views into parks (saw this first hand at Arches/Canyonlands).

And some parks were established to protect against future mining/damage, including at Death Valley where borax was mined, Mammoth Caves, where they were digging for minerals, and several other parks were contemplated for mining including Yellowstone. Yosemite was considered for damming so that CA could get water and electricity. They flooded out Hetch Hetchy, which was a mirror to Yosemite Valley.

On and on it goes.

530
darthstar  Jul 9, 2016 • 7:25:42am

re: #523 lawhawk

If you like having diversions on Twitter, follow any number of national park sites. They’ll frequently post photos and stories about what’s going on in the parks - and most of it is good stuff, along with the occasional human stupidity or requesting folks call for more funding to keep the parks going.

The Parks have my unconditional support, but it seems that many Americans simply don’t bother going to them, and kids aren’t understanding just how revolutionary and important they are. Want to change that, and I’m really contemplating volunteering at one in coming years…

Nice waterfall…does it have wifi?

531
lawhawk  Jul 9, 2016 • 7:26:55am

re: #530 darthstar

Only when you stand in the right spot. Yeah… .little to the left. Closer to the precipice. Yup.

There you goooooooooo…..

532
b.d.  Jul 9, 2016 • 7:27:20am

re: #525 lawhawk

Can’t escape trash anywhere on the planet it seems. Even the deepest spot in the ocean…

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It had to be a Fanta can…

I want this Fanta can as far away from me as possible.

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darthstar  Jul 9, 2016 • 7:29:44am

re: #525 lawhawk

Can’t escape trash anywhere on the planet it seems. Even the deepest spot in the ocean…

[Embedded content]

It had to be a Fanta can…

At least it’s Grape.

534
FormerDirtDart  Jul 9, 2016 • 7:30:19am

re: #519 darthstar

Apparently he ad libbed that scene with the bottles based on a kid who was a bully when he was himself a child.

Didn’t know that. And, it’s probably the scene most referred to from the movie. It’s the first thing that comes to my mind when Warriors is mentioned

535
wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 7:31:05am

Someone here was joking I had an imaginary lizard living with me. I now have photographic proof he/she is not imaginary, because the sly critter held still long enough to catch it with my cellphone camera.

Behold, all your doubting Thomases.

Gecko comes out of hiding for his nightly run

Yes, it’s blurry. I had to zoom in with my phone while keeping very still across the room.

The cables lead to the TV, set top box and wireless router. I think my little friend camps out behind the TV console, as it’s heavy and I never move it.

536
darthstar  Jul 9, 2016 • 7:35:23am

True story: When I was 15, I was a foreign exhange student to Fiji. I went from a 99% white rural community to a place with about a 5% caucasion population (the majority being Indians or Fijians). I think that’s a big reason why I didn’t go wingnut like the rest of my family.

Anyhoo, after about two or three months there, I was on a bus headed to Suva Grammar School in my grey shirt, grey shorts and black sandals (the uniform of that school) and as we stopped by a small market to pick up some people, I looked in the window of the store and saw cans of Fanta on display. I turned to my Canadian ex-pat friend and shouted, “Look! Fanta!” and jumped off the bus and got an orange soda before catching the next bus to school.

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b.d.  Jul 9, 2016 • 7:35:44am

re: #535 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Someone here was joking I had an imaginary lizard living with me. I now have photographic proof he/she is not imaginary, because the sly critter held still long enough to catch it with my cellphone camera.

Behold, all your doubting Thomases.

[Embedded content]

Yes, it’s blurry. I had to zoom in with my phone while keeping very still across the room.

The cables lead to the TV, set top box and wireless router. I think my little friends camps out behind the TV console, as it’s heavy and I never move it.

Obvious photoshop, you can tell by the pixels.

//

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 7:37:20am

re: #536 darthstar

True story: When I was 15, I was a foreign exhange student to Fiji. I went from a 99% white rural community to a place with about a 5% caucasion population (the majority being Indians or Fijians). I think that’s a big reason why I didn’t go wingnut like the rest of my family.

Anyhoo, after about two or three months there, I was on a bus headed to Suva Grammar School in my grey shirt, grey shorts and black sandals (the uniform of that school) and as we stopped by a small market to pick up some people, I looked in the window of the store and saw cans of Fanta on display. I turned to my Canadian ex-pat friend and shouted, “Look! Fanta!” and jumped off the bus and got an orange soda before catching the next bus to school.

I see Fanta in the stores here in China sometimes. Never root beer or ginger ale, only the fruity flavors and sometimes creme soda.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 7:38:39am

re: #537 b.d.

Obvious photoshop, you can tell by the pixels.

//

Now I should photoshop his feet to be red. ;-)

540
darthstar  Jul 9, 2016 • 7:40:05am

Okay…time to take the dog to the beach. Be good everyone.

541
jaunte  Jul 9, 2016 • 7:40:39am

“…the [independent Commission on Care] report also recommends Congress create a separate commission to consider changing VA eligibility requirements. The aim would be to both simplify the often-onerous process vets must go through to get into the VA system, and to explore allowing individuals who do not currently qualify for VA health care—veterans’ family members, people on Medicare-to “buy into” the program using their existing insurance. The latter idea would not only provide more patients for the VA in underutilized facilities but could act as a kind of “public option” not unlike the proposal that Hillary floated this spring to allow 50-65 years old to buy into Medicare. But instead of subsidizing corporate medicine, as Medicare essentially does, a VA-style public option would strengthen the VA.”

542
A Mom Anon  Jul 9, 2016 • 8:02:05am

Can I just say that it’s a little hopeful that a dumbass with a gun was arrested and thrown in jail? And that someone works for/with the SMOTI which is making him have to squirm just a little (whether he admits it or not), which is just a total bonus. Has Jim made any kind of statement? Someone needs to ask him for comment, since there’s video and eyewitnesses to the incident he really should say something, lol. And no one was hurt, triple bonus. But this right here kids is why some people really should not be allowed access to any kind of firearm.

Thee Rage Furby is trying to make a nice man who loved his job working in a school cafeteria, who was beloved by the kids he served daily into a criminal thug worthy of death. THAT is who we should be fighting, just as much as police corruption and the ease of buying high capacity weaponry. Not amongst ourselves over shit that means little to nothing over the long haul. Those little kids lost a hell of a role model for no reason. That’s why these shootings matter, one of many reasons. If white people are going to point fingers at “the black community” and how black males who are good role models are in such short supply (which is not my thought, but I’ve got an earful this week, believe me), then maybe the people trying to smear this man need to be dragged out into the sunlight until they are ruined.

And with that, chores and errands call. The Husband and I are going to try a date night tonight, we’ll see how it goes. Have a good Saturday.

543
Frankie Five Angels  Jul 9, 2016 • 8:04:42am

You wingnuts will believe anything.

544
wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 8:06:09am

re: #542 A Mom Anon

Rage Furby also continues his attacks on another black man named Obama, who he claims never wrote Dreams from My Father.

Perhaps GotNwes can work up something about Rage Furby’s strange fixation with demonizing black men for no apparent reason.

545
Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2016 • 8:08:43am

re: #544 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Rage Furby also continues his attacks on another black man named Obama, who he claims never wrote Dreams from My Father.

Perhaps GotNwes can work up something about Rage Furby’s strange fixation with demonizing black men for no apparent reason.

It’s his powerful and overwhelming attraction to black men. And as they’ve spurned him, his desire has turned to anger and hatred.

Pretty simple, really.

546
Frankie Five Angels  Jul 9, 2016 • 8:18:42am

Can an active-duty Marine do this?

547
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2016 • 8:19:35am

re: #546 Frankie Five Angels

Can an active-duty Marine do this?

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is it even an active duty marine or someone in a uniform?

the wonders of the Internet, we may never know

548
wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 8:20:07am

re: #546 Frankie Five Angels

That would be a no, not while he is in uniform.

549
Frankie Five Angels  Jul 9, 2016 • 8:22:45am

My first thought was that there is no way an active-duty Marine would do that and that it’s probably just some putz wannabe.

550
wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 8:23:54am

re: #549 Frankie Five Angels

My first thought was that there is no way an active-duty Marine would do that and that it’s probably just some putz wannabe.

If he is a Marine, and he is identified, his CO is going to have words with him.

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calochortus  Jul 9, 2016 • 8:35:41am

re: #511 darthstar

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Everyone who ever writes anything needs to read Part 2.

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calochortus  Jul 9, 2016 • 8:37:18am

re: #530 darthstar

Nice waterfall…does it have wifi?

My favorite place to stay in a Nat’l Park doesn’t even have cell phone reception. It’s just lovely.

553
MsJ  Jul 9, 2016 • 8:41:22am

From AARP: What should we ask the Presidential candidates about Social Security? Vote now! #TakeAStand bit.ly

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 8:42:53am

re: #546 Frankie Five Angels

Can an active-duty Marine do this?

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Photo dates from April 29, according to my TinEye search, then it was posted on Reddit’s The_Donald subreddit. Origin unknown.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 9, 2016 • 8:50:18am

re: #546 Frankie Five Angels

Can an active-duty Marine do this?

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Is a Marine allowed to display a tattoo like that?

556
wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 8:51:53am

Hoosier winner?

557
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2016 • 8:53:01am

re: #555 Timothy Watson

Is a Marine allowed to display a tattoo like that?

No
marinecorpstimes.com

558
Ace-o-aces  Jul 9, 2016 • 8:55:33am
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Ace-o-aces  Jul 9, 2016 • 8:59:47am
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Dr. Matt  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:03:58am

Basically Strickland just proved that untrained, undisciplined armed citizenry is a failed concept. It really is time to rewrite the 2A.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:06:23am

re: #546 Frankie Five Angels

Can an active-duty Marine do this?

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Yes. Once.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:16:43am

Combustion News Network’s Don Lemon is a lemon of a journalist.

563
SoundGuy 2016  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:20:45am

thump (kicks thread, pokes it with stick)

564
SoundGuy 2016  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:21:13am

(pours beer over it)

565
wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:21:35am

re: #563 SoundGuy 2016

I can’t help. Going to bed.

566
calochortus  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:21:40am

re: #562 SoundGuy 2016

Combustion News Network’s Don Lemon is a lemon of a journalist.

Well, that’s breaking news right there.

567
calochortus  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:22:54am

re: #563 SoundGuy 2016

thump (kicks thread, pokes it with stick)

I’m not going to help with the rest of the thread right now, though. I need to get out for a walk while it is still cool.

BBL

568
SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:23:00am

re: #562 SoundGuy 2016

What did he not do this time?

569
Jenner7  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:26:53am

Good speech.

570
wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:32:11am

re: #564 SoundGuy 2016

(pours beer over it)

COFFEE!!!! The cold stuff left from yesterday ain’t cuttin’ it. Not a bad temperature, though…

571
Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:36:33am

re: #569 Jenner7

Damn. Didn’t miss a beat.

572
A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:39:35am

Got my kids set up with Pokemon Go.

They are wandering around the neighborhood trying to catch ‘em all.

573
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:39:39am
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b_sharp  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:39:40am

re: #319 MsJ

So much for reading.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:41:01am
576
sagehen  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:42:10am

For a change of pace… Obama is in Warsaw, addressing the NATO meeting. Live on MSNBC, CNN and Fox.

577
ObserverArt  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:42:30am

re: #571 Decatur Deb

Damn. Didn’t miss a beat.

I was waiting to see the speech covered as MSNBC said they were going to cover it and the Dallas Texas press address. They fell all into the Dallas story and I don’t think they ever got back to Hillary at AME convention.

I don’t know what I was thinking.

Had that been a Trump speech we may never had seen any of Governor Texass.

Such is the current state of media selection.

578
Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:44:02am

re: #575 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bernie would make a great fan-dancer.

579
A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:44:46am

Seeing this derp posted all over Facebook gives me a lot of unfriending candidates:

Confirmed – Philando Castile Was an Armed Robbery Suspect – False Media Narrative Now Driving Cop Killings…

580
stpaulbear  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:46:08am

re: #529 lawhawk

Yup. The GOP is all about privatizing all the management aspects, and then exploiting the parks. They’re already agitating to mine/drill right up to the park borders. They’re already spoiling views into parks (saw this first hand at Arches/Canyonlands).

And some parks were established to protect against future mining/damage, including at Death Valley where borax was mined, Mammoth Caves, where they were digging for minerals, and several other parks were contemplated for mining including Yellowstone. Yosemite was considered for damming so that CA could get water and electricity. They flooded out Hetch Hetchy, which was a mirror to Yosemite Valley.

On and on it goes.

MN managed to turn the tables a bit by turning an underground iron ore mine into a state park. The mine tour drops you a half mile underground.

Now the state is considering whether to allow a copper/nickel mine in an area that drains into Voyageurs National Park/Boundary Waters Canoe Area. I hope that it gets blocked. The company that wants to build the mine doesn’t have a record that inspires any confidence that they won’t screw things up.

581
ObserverArt  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:49:42am

re: #574 b_sharp

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I used to work selling auto/racing parts and it was always a bitch to ship to Canada. We used postal most of the time due to costs. FedEx and UPS were costly and didn’t go everywhere if I remember correctly.

I feel your pain!

And then I remember a guy that worked at a magazine we advertised in from Toronto that said eventually Canadian post always got stuff to them, just a bit delayed because of the horses.

582
darthstar  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:52:57am

Beach was good. Tide was low though…anemones make the ground squishy.

583
Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:54:52am

re: #582 darthstar

Beach was good. Tide was low though…anemones make the ground squishy.

[Embedded content]

Hey, with friends like us, who needs anemones?

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Fiasco  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:55:11am

re: #1 De Kolta Chair

Funny you should ask…gotnews.com

Got linked over from Allen West’s site. Which I was put on to by one of my old HS friends who is now, of course, a RWNJ.

585
stpaulbear  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:55:16am

re: #573 Backwoods_Sleuth

They stuck a knife in Bernie’s back!

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ObserverArt  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:55:40am

re: #582 darthstar

Beach was good. Tide was low though…anemones make the ground squishy.

[Embedded content]

It’s hard to see Banjo. His motor boating is blending in.

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sagehen  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:55:50am

re: #582 darthstar

Beach was good. Tide was low though…anemones make the ground squishy.

[Embedded content]

Was dogness camera shy today? He’s the best part of your beach pictures.

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b_sharp  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:57:02am

re: #581 ObserverArt

I used to work selling auto/racing parts and it was always a bitch to ship to Canada. We used postal most of the time due to costs. FedEx and UPS were costly and didn’t go everywhere if I remember correctly.

I feel your pain!

And then I remember a guy that worked at a magazine we advertised in from Toronto that said eventually Canadian post always got stuff to them, just a bit delayed because of the horses.

Even with the crappy conversion rate, it’s cheaper to buy parts in the US. Only shipping and broker fees make it as expensive.

589
darthstar  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:57:48am

re: #586 ObserverArt

It’s hard to see Banjo. His motor boating is blending in.

Sometimes he likes to go meta and subtweet himself.

590
darthstar  Jul 9, 2016 • 9:58:14am

re: #587 sagehen

Was dogness camera shy today? He’s the best part of your beach pictures.

He’s there…bottom right.

591
wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:00:58am

#SongsWithLowerExpectations First time a hashtag generally amused me. An example:

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ObserverArt  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:01:37am

re: #587 sagehen

Was dogness camera shy today? He’s the best part of your beach pictures.

re: #590 darthstar

He’s there…bottom right.

Heh. I saw him because I was looking for him. You always have Banjo on the Beach!

593
darthstar  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:05:06am

re: #592 ObserverArt

Heh. I saw him because I was looking for him. You always have Banjo on the Beach!

He insists.

594
Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:05:21am

re: #522 darthstar

Ailes didn’t come on to her ‘cuz he knows she’s a Scientologist-DUH!

595
Jenner7  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:07:04am

My daughter and I are watching something called Extreme Time Cheaters. Basically, it’s about people who are nutso.

My daughter keeps saying, “Are you serious?!?” lol

596
Jenner7  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:10:50am

He’s a registered Democrat, but a big critic of Obama.

597
darthstar  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:13:01am

Damn…was writing a nice long private message about something at work and accidentally clicked outside of the dialog box, canceling it. Suffice it to say, karma’s a bitch and someone who has been a bit of a dick looked a bit like a fool for not taking care of his own shit while bitching about others’…there…is that general or what?

Oh, and my shit doesn’t stink. :) Felt good, but I also felt sorry for the poor bastard because he’s such a drama shahbanu.

598
darthstar  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:17:50am

okay…time to go play tour guide to my MIL and her sister. Have a good day everyone.

599
Jenner7  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:23:04am

Go Serena! She won her 22nd major title today at Wimbledon.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:25:43am
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wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:27:11am
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MsJ  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:30:16am

re: #597 darthstar

I always write in the primary box, then cut and paste it into Private. General practice for me and my fat fingers.

603
makeitstop  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:30:20am

Morning/Afternoon, all,

I got to go out the Forest Hills last night and see Bob Dylan. It was kind of a dual- or even multi-purpose trip, since I’d never see Bob, never been to Forest Hills, and a friend I haven’t seen since around 1980 has been Bob’s manager for over 30 years now.

Bob and his band were a very pleasant surprise - he played zero guitar all night, leaving it to his 2 guitarists Stu Kimball and Charlie Sexton and multi-instrumentalist (mostly playing pedal steel, and extremely well) Donnie Heron. A few hits (Blowin’ In The Wind, She Belongs to Me, Tangled Up in Blue), an equal number of old chestnuts like ‘Old Feeling’ and ‘Autumn Leaves,’ and some pretty obscure stuff that I was not really familiar with. None of the hits even remotely resembled the original versions, with Bob and the band recasting them dramatically. A neat trick, but easily done if you’re Bob Dylan.

The venue was a very nice place to see a show. My wife and her mom saw Dolly Parton there a couple of weeks ago and she loved it, and I agree. Sightlines, sound mix and staff were all excellent.

But the best part of the night was meeting up with my old friend and within minutes having a conversation like we’d just seen each other last week. If things go right I’ll be visiting him out in the Greater LA area once he’s off tour. But even getting to check in with him for a short while and reminisce about the old days in a struggling NY band were more than worth heading out to Queens. Seeing an exceptional show on top of that was just icing on the cake.

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Jenner7  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:31:27am

Interesting.

605
SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:34:48am

re: #604 Jenner7

Can you imagine what his vetting team must be going through?

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Joe Bacon  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:36:08am

re: #543 Frankie Five Angels

You wingnuts will believe anything.

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I’ve already seen that clown’s post on relatives Facebook pages.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:37:30am

re: #564 SoundGuy 2016

(pours beer over it)

Thanks. No more pasture mowing for me today.

608
Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:38:52am

re: #605 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Can you imagine what his vetting team must be going through?

It’s a nice day to…start again.
It’s a nice day for a..white vetting!

609
Joe Bacon  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:40:35am

re: #579 withak

Seeing this derp posted all over Facebook gives me a lot of unfriending candidates:

Confirmed – Philando Castile Was an Armed Robbery Suspect – False Media Narrative Now Driving Cop Killings…

Seeing this crap posted by relatives, too.

610
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:41:28am
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Stanley Sea  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:41:28am

re: #604 Jenner7

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Interesting.

trumps going to sell the US to Russia.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:42:53am

re: #293 goddamnedfrank

Herp-a-derp.

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Targetpractice  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:42:59am

re: #579 withak

Seeing this derp posted all over Facebook gives me a lot of unfriending candidates:

Confirmed – Philando Castile Was an Armed Robbery Suspect – False Media Narrative Now Driving Cop Killings…

Another dead black man, another case of wingnuts justifying summary execution.

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Joe Bacon  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:44:00am

re: #613 Targetpractice

Another dead black man, another case of wingnuts justifying summary execution.

And these same wingnuts saw nothing wrong with The Bundy Bunch pointing rifles at police officers…

615
gwangung  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:44:00am

re: #609 Joe Bacon

Seeing this crap posted by relatives, too.

A) It’s a crap lie.

B) It’s STILL not an excuse for a nervous cop to blow away someone who is showing him their paperwork.

Not right. Not legal.

616
Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:45:58am

re: #609 Joe Bacon

Seeing this crap posted by relatives, too.

One thing I’ve noticed about this and the uptick in the ‘Blue Lives Matter’ bullshit…you never see folks try to backsplain about why a Cop got killed in a situation in order to justify it, do you?

Maybe that’s why Black Lives Matter has to be a thing, you fucking assholes: so many goddamn people desperately looking for a reason why a black man deserved to die when something like this happens. You don’t get people saying ‘well, this cop should’ve known better than to get into that situation!’ because…well, regardless of why it happened, the death was a tragedy, even more so if it was preventable. But no, if a black person dies in a questionable way, we must desperately look for reasons why they deserved it and why their death proves just how inferior and savage Black People are.

No lie, this shit literally dove me to tears at my desk last night. I just hit a breaking point to where I just broke down.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:46:29am

Spoiler: Joe Walsh was not one of them.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:46:52am

re: #612 goddamnedfrank

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Herp-a-derp.

When and why did HRC become such a bete noire to some on the Left? What puppy of theirs did she kill? I mean, if you like Obama, what’s not to like about Hillary, who’s almost perfectly aligned with him?

I’m really just not getting this. I’ve even seen some shit about her having been a Goldwater Girl when she was 17 tainting her forever.

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Jenner7  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:48:00am

re: #617 Backwoods_Sleuth

And he was invited to go on TV.

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Targetpractice  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:49:27am

re: #618 Blind Frog Belly White

When and why did HRC become such a bete noire to some on the Left? What puppy of theirs did she kill? I mean, if you like Obama, what’s not to like about Hillary, who’s almost perfectly aligned with him?

I’m really just not getting this. I’ve even seen some shit about her having been a Goldwater Girl when she was 17 tainting her forever.

You’re talking about people who are so far to the left that they think Obama is “no different” from Bush, blame him for their desires not becoming reality, and think Bernie is right to run against him.

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Brian J.  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:49:44am

re: #575 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Fine, firm up the convention speaking schedule with no junior senators from Vermont on it. You had your shot to do the right thing, Bernard, and you blew it.

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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:50:22am

re: #618 Blind Frog Belly White

When and why did HRC become such a bete noire to some on the Left? What puppy of theirs did she kill? I mean, if you like Obama, what’s not to like about Hillary, who’s almost perfectly aligned with him?

I’m really just not getting this. I’ve even seen some shit about her having been a Goldwater Girl when she was 17 tainting her forever.

I’m not going to lie here. I still have some issues with Hillary. The PUMA stuff in ‘08 left a bitter taste in my mouth, and she’s definitely more hawkish than I’d prefer, both from her senatorial career and her stint as SoS.

But the problem that most people have with her isn’t about actual fucking policy otherwise they’d see she has a lot of net positives she’d still instill, moreso than anyone else in the field. No, their problem with her is the ‘air of corruption’ that surrounds her, the one that conservatives and the media have fought for nigh unto 3 decades to associate with her, regardless of the veracity. They don’t know what she did, they just know she did it and that she was supper utterly corrupt and evil about it and how fucking dare she even exist.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:50:46am

re: #620 Targetpractice

You’re talking about people who are so far to the left that they think Obama is “no different” from Bush, blame him for their desires not becoming reality, and think Bernie is right to run against him.

Some, but actually I’m talking about people even in my own family who LOVE Obama, but HATE Hillary.

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gocart mozart  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:51:45am

re: #361 Nyet

The “Mandela Effect” is named after the false memory that Mandela was killed in a prison cell 1977. No, that was the other great South African Anti-Apartheid activist Steven Biko you stupid blinckered fucktards!!

Peter Gabriel - Biko (HQ)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:52:52am

re: #622 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

I’m not going to lie here. I still have some issues with Hillary. The PUMA stuff in ‘08 left a bitter taste in my mouth, and she’s definitely more hawkish than I’d prefer, both from her senatorial career and her stint as SoS.

But the problem that most people have with her isn’t about actual fucking policy otherwise they’d see she has a lot of net positives she’d still instill, moreso than anyone else in the field. No, their problem with her is the ‘air of corruption’ that surrounds her, the one that conservatives and the media have fought for nigh unto 3 decades to associate with her, regardless of the veracity. They don’t know what she did, they just know she did it and that she was supper utterly corrupt and evil about it and how fucking dare she even exist.

That’s the frustrating thing for me, to see the success of the campaign of bullshit that’s gone on since 1992, even on those on the Left who should fucking know better.

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Jenner7  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:53:45am

re: #623 Blind Frog Belly White

My sister liked Hillary, until she ran for President against Bernie. Then it was, she’s worse than Republicans.

She’s not…well.

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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:53:57am

re: #623 Blind Frog Belly White

Some, but actually I’m talking about people even in my own family who LOVE Obama, but HATE Hillary.

No matter how hard we try to be vigilant, even the best of us can get drawn in by Bullshit. Some of the blame will go to the person taken in, but the lionshare still has to go to the liars and the assholes gleefully distributing the lies for sheer bloodless market numbers.

The sad thing is that regardless of who to blame, the fact is that it worked. Hillary is the ‘face’ of corruption simply because it’s been hammered on repeatedly to where it’s simply a gut-level word association mess.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:58:02am

re: #624 gocart mozart

The “Mandela Effect” is named after the false memory that Mandela was killed in a prison cell 1977. No, that was the other great South African Anti-Apartheid activist Steven Biko you stupid blinckered fucktards!!

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One should not trust memories, because they’re so easily edited.

When the boys were younger we’d go to Monterey, and they’d always want to eat at Bubba Gump’s. So I’d do the bit where Bubba talks about all the different ways to make shrimp - “Frahed shree-ump. Bohled shree-ump. Shree-ump Creole…” etc. I was absolutely certain Bubba said, “Shree-ump Etouffee”. CERTAIN.

Years later, The Younger Boy watched the movie with friends, and told me, no, Bubba never says that. But I STILL remember hearing him say it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:59:19am

re: #626 Jenner7

My sister liked Hillary, until she ran for President against Bernie. Then it was, she’s worse than Republicans.

She’s not…well.

Sounds like my sister.

Wait - are you one of my brothers? Do you live in Hawaii or New Mexico?
///////////

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Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2016 • 10:59:50am

re: #569 Jenner7

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Good speech.

Went back and re-read parts, that’s when I noticed the obligatory biblical text: The Book of Micah. That’s spooky-good.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 9, 2016 • 11:00:12am

re: #628 Blind Frog Belly White

I have an incredibly vivid memory of seeing lightning strike the driveway at home about 8 feet from me when I was four years old, and running inside and burying my face in the sofa cushions.

It wasn’t until I was much older that I realized that absolutely could not have happened.

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Renaissance_Man  Jul 9, 2016 • 11:00:13am

re: #618 Blind Frog Belly White

When and why did HRC become such a bete noire to some on the Left? What puppy of theirs did she kill? I mean, if you like Obama, what’s not to like about Hillary, who’s almost perfectly aligned with him?

I’m really just not getting this. I’ve even seen some shit about her having been a Goldwater Girl when she was 17 tainting her forever.

30 years of successful hammering away at the idea the Clintons are corrupt liars on the part of the media. It has entered the public consciousness. People now hate Hillary without reason, without sense, because they know that she’s guilty of something.

Before I moved to the US, I used to think that too. Without examining it too closely, I just heard story after story with vague accusations, and figured something had to be true. That’s how successful it is. It’s almost a global fact now.

I am, unfortunately, starting to believe that it will be a Trump win. The world is becoming more racist and more nativist as a whole - it is the last legacy of the baby boomers, and will take another generation to work its way out of the public mind. And all over America, huge swaths of the populace are looking for any reason, any at all, to not vote Hillary, because they have been indoctrinated for three decades to hate her. Over the next three months, they’ll find a reason, or the media will give them one by constantly promoting anything that might vaguely be construed as negative. And since Republicans always vote for the Republican candidate, Trump’s floor is about 42%, and it won’t take much to put him over the top.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 9, 2016 • 11:04:01am

Also, since this was the thread where the mess is, I apologize to any Lizards who were bugged by the discussion from last night. I’m done responding to them at all, and I apologize for failing to do that sooner.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 9, 2016 • 11:04:57am

re: #613 Targetpractice

Another dead black man, another case of wingnuts justifying summary execution.

Check this guys feed. He notes the uptick in google searches of Chris Rock’s piece about dealing with the cops as a black man. It sucks.

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Chez Ko Pe  Jul 9, 2016 • 11:06:35am

re: #623 Blind Frog Belly White

My mother hated women. Can’t say why, but in her eyes they were always wrong.

And years of punditry has its effect on people. Personal anecdote: Back during Hillary’s previous presidential run, I was having lunch when a co-worker walked into the breakroom, looked up at the TV where Hillary was being barked about, and declared, “What a bitch!” I asked him, “Why is she a bitch?” He stopped for a second, then said, “Well, everyone says she’s a bitch.” He’s actually a nice enough guy, and we’ve become friends (in part because I had a conversation with him instead of just exploding into insults per usual). Even fairly progressive. He’s just non-political and easily swayed by the crowd. And that breakroom TV is tuned to FOXNews every day when no game is on.

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gocart mozart  Jul 9, 2016 • 11:07:00am

re: #558 Ace-o-aces

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ObserverArt  Jul 9, 2016 • 11:09:11am

re: #610 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Todoggans.

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Chez Ko Pe  Jul 9, 2016 • 11:16:09am

re: #636 gocart mozart

“Freedom fighter,” in the sense that Ronald Reagan used the term.

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mmmirele  Jul 9, 2016 • 11:23:22am

re: #622 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

I’m not going to lie here. I still have some issues with Hillary. The PUMA stuff in ‘08 left a bitter taste in my mouth, and she’s definitely more hawkish than I’d prefer, both from her senatorial career and her stint as SoS.

But the problem that most people have with her isn’t about actual fucking policy otherwise they’d see she has a lot of net positives she’d still instill, moreso than anyone else in the field. No, their problem with her is the ‘air of corruption’ that surrounds her, the one that conservatives and the media have fought for nigh unto 3 decades to associate with her, regardless of the veracity. They don’t know what she did, they just know she did it and that she was supper utterly corrupt and evil about it and how fucking dare she even exist.

I’d just note that there’s no real evidence to suggest HRC was part of the PUMA stuff. I’m part of a group of people who have spent the entirety of Obama’s terms in office identifying and debunking various Birther arguments, and it’s pretty clear those came from people who were not identifiable as Democrats. PUMAs were, in their way, rather like some of the people in the Bernie or Bust crowd. They were so attached to HRC first and the Democratic party came way second. A few of that crowd moved into RWNJ territory and spread the birther rumors but in the end, it was tried and true RWNJs who took the birther nonsense and ran with it.

I still remember in late 2008 asking people on blogs who proclaimed God would not let Obama become president, what they were going to do when he did become president? (This was after the election but before January 20 and there really were people out there who thought God would keep Obama from the presidency.) Answer: Crickets!

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No Country For Old Haters  Jul 9, 2016 • 11:25:06am

re: #558 Ace-o-aces

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2016 • 11:35:07am

re: #627 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

No matter how hard we try to be vigilant, even the best of us can get drawn in by Bullshit. Some of the blame will go to the person taken in, but the lionshare still has to go to the liars and the assholes gleefully distributing the lies for sheer bloodless market numbers.

The sad thing is that regardless of who to blame, the fact is that it worked. Hillary is the ‘face’ of corruption simply because it’s been hammered on repeatedly to where it’s simply a gut-level word association mess.

Let’s throw in the “it’s not our job to correct the lies” media.

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2016 • 11:42:47am

re: #633 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 9, 2016 • 11:45:32am

re: #642 MsJ

KBBHUQtssRDDmHt2/gQHTLTOoE2c3fc1/lsYRc/YT/QkXkYsrEEIFUCAMux0ul5nETJzm3kfpEmjW/iD/02XHI9uem/YrpwmbOiOmqYDWGK94D6EnU/XU2t4NLqMcbQl+RSOQ4tV8IPXb3gVt+G9BSsKhqnWZFW/28SHhuhPe7vOPrRGJehdg7KXKBYwYgdroSOqbY2ktY5zrL0GXvNACdB/RcuFZ9WCWYGWaoy7lr0NhkHBottY6Nq28eC8oklXCZrD8wl2MbYmH0+pfpU5Qnr0fMWmITOFEAdTwakOMPBaMANacgnXNfSuQ+pUNH8m5tQRU6O0xwn7gb+4Srtg4WqZC6JACkRBm3D/9EDBOjfMiHkD6T7B4BlrOZyLP2uCuwellydiqPhp2fA4YnDwtIducUFY0hx0PKi3nGfORT9q7WfllKOTW9aRU8ro+ua17WbAYN/8tY11nYhDUMM3iAcM5YvrekBR+ZBvS3dUDzHl0hUQugbarwVaBInD/gLur8T+mJbx7cuswrZeTYfZXoePkEnyAS2+pRel66nk9UdMhFiXsVGsxnsqvQMiQOMmLuC+SHesZ2g7QWu525dd3TVh2JFdFltVT+IVcF3dwmqaUemKnxLTEYCTt5kY0Oi3XU0fZuhHpC+uwRCPkqD5tWVm9Nvg0sauxjhgcNqayL8I2TIVHS7y09Fjbx0UIWFrvcrqWgIQ8ri0v+pQjEkCdQ==

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MsJ  Jul 9, 2016 • 11:51:55am

re: #643 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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BlueSpotinAL  Jul 9, 2016 • 12:18:32pm

re: #627 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

No matter how hard we try to be vigilant, even the best of us can get drawn in by Bullshit. Some of the blame will go to the person taken in, but the lionshare still has to go to the liars and the assholes gleefully distributing the lies for sheer bloodless market numbers.

The sad thing is that regardless of who to blame, the fact is that it worked. Hillary is the ‘face’ of corruption simply because it’s been hammered on repeatedly to where it’s simply a gut-level word association mess.

A lot of people who got into Bernie, got themselves into an information bubble where the most outrageous things were being said and treated as true without anybody they trusted speaking out (those who did were “the establishment” or “shills”. Even Jesus (Bernie) saying so wouldn’t change their minds :)

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DodgerFan1988  Jul 9, 2016 • 1:27:44pm

Conservative bloggers (including Jim Hoft) today are circulating a report that says Philando Castile was wanted for robbery when he was pulled over. It’s false, made up to discredit the Black Lives Matter movement.
snopes.com

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Ming5000  Jul 9, 2016 • 1:57:34pm

re: #559 Ace-o-aces

Well played!

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William of Orange  Jul 12, 2016 • 4:15:45am

All credit to a user called farrago at one of the Oregon news sites. This Limerick says it all.

Strickland suspends all belief

When he shills his aggrieved motif

It’s thus no surprise

When we realize

That he’s an acolyte of James O’Keefe


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