Saturday Jam: House of Waters, “17”

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Here’s a great new video from one of the most unusual bands currently on the scene.

From the upcoming record “House of Waters” by House of Waters. Album available everywhere August 12th.

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House Of Waters
Producer- House of Waters
Executive Producer- Guy Eckstine
Recording Engineers- Max ZT, Moto Fukushima, Luke Notary, Kane Mathis, Nic Hard

Mastering Engineer- Scott Hull at Masterdisk, NYC

Musicians:
Max ZT - Hammered Dulcimer and Percussion
Moto Fukushima - Bass
Luke Notary - Drum set, Percussion and Kamelen N’goni

Management Info: Guy Eckstine/Iconique Music Group iconiquemusicgroup.com

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Jenner7  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:00:56pm

Did this really happen??

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:01:10pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:04:14pm
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Jenner7  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:05:07pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Wow. Waiting for video.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:05:29pm
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Jenner7  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:05:42pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:06:08pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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I’m convinced it won’t be long before wingnuts start declaring that Latinos are now on the “Dem plantation” and the only reason they won’t vote for a Republican is because Dems are offering them “free stuff.”

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Jenner7  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:06:40pm

Man, I’m digging Jonathan Capeheart’s beard. Sexy.

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SteelPH  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:06:51pm

re: #6 Jenner7

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Weren’t they booed for speaking Spanish, too?

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thedopefishlives  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:07:32pm

Heh. I just saw a wingnut meme that implied Ted Cruz was “got at” by President Obama. Apparently he took a plane ride in Air Force One a couple of weeks ago. That’s enough to paint him as a RINO stooge.

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Jenner7  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:07:50pm

re: #9 SteelPH

I can’t recall that, I do recall Duffy’s wife being booed for saying her parents were immigrants from Mexico.

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Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:11:02pm

RNC: “Look how inclusive we are! We got a Latino on stage speaking Spanish!”

Saturday: “SPEAK ENGLISH!”

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Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:12:01pm

They’re like dim-witted parrots.

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b_sharp  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:12:28pm

Well that was cool.

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Tigger2  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:12:54pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:13:03pm

re: #8 Jenner7

Man, I’m digging Jonathan Capeheart’s beard. Sexy.

I was wondering why my wife was glued to the tube a few minutes ago. ;-)

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Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:13:06pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

They’re like dim-witted parrots.

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A history that ended decades ago, but we have to forgive wingnuts because they still think it’s 1955.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:13:42pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

They’re like dim-witted parrots.

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It’s like they forgot the Southern Strategy ever happened at all.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:14:27pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:17:21pm
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thedopefishlives  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:17:54pm

re: #20 Targetpractice

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Spinning so fast, the State of Illinois has started using him as a power source.

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Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:20:06pm

They’re giving Kaine this much shit just for being a white guy who can speak Spanish. Imagine how wingnuts would have reacted if she’d picked Julian Castro.

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Tigger2  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:20:11pm

In reply to post #20.

I seem to be blocked from @eclecticbrotha page.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:22:32pm

For some reason this person thinks I’m going to tell people to follow a “parody” account that viciously bashes Clinton and Kaine.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:23:39pm

She deleted the tweet. Maybe she didn’t realize what it was.

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blueraven  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:26:08pm

The best thing about this video is Mike Pences’ face, trying not top show panic as Trump goes off the rail.

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calochortus  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:26:12pm

re: #22 Targetpractice

They’re giving Kaine this much shit just for being a white guy who can speak Spanish. Imagine how wingnuts would have reacted if she’d picked Julian Castro.

I don’t think he (Castro) does speak fluent Spanish, so they’d be ragging on him for that.

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Jenner7  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:26:55pm
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Belafon  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:28:31pm
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thedopefishlives  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:30:02pm

re: #26 blueraven

The best thing about this video is Mike Pences’ face, trying not top show panic as Trump goes off the rail.

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Shit shit shit what have I gotten myself into.

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ObserverArt  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:32:59pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔ @Green_Footballs
Yes, folks - this is where the Republicans are in 2016. Bashing a Democratic candidate for speaking Spanish.
3:05 PM - 23 Jul 2016
40 40 Retweets 52 52 likes

“Kaine should go back to where the hell he comed from!”

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jaunte  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:34:01pm

re: #12 Targetpractice

RNC: “Look how inclusive we are! We got a Latino on stage speaking Spanish!”

Saturday: “SPEAK ENGLISH!”

Wait ‘til they find out Melania has a foreign accent.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:36:01pm

OT obs

My sis-in-law just emailed me this .gif, along with the comment “Why would I hate someone who was jealous of me? Shit, I’d be strutting around in front of them like a banty rooster.”
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ObserverArt  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:37:28pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

They’re like dim-witted parrots.

Stephen Czaja @Rightwingpolok
@Green_Footballs @Reince There is a provable historical connection between the Klan and Democrats. None for Trump or Reince. fool.
3:11 PM - 23 Jul 2016

Hey Stevie, you big history buff you…why are you ignoring the part of the provable history that shows the changes in the party since that time when the Klan was a part of southern type Democratic party.

Oh, seeing his timeline I guess he sees no connection to any changes. Never mind. Idiot time.

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blueraven  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:37:43pm
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Great White Snark  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:38:00pm

Usually on a Saturday, the ash is inside the BBQ

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wrenchwench  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:39:55pm

Turns out my brain is about twice as scrambled as they thought.

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ObserverArt  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:40:16pm

Gotta get back to work…but I wonder. Is any Republican strategist able to give an answer to the question asked?

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Jenner7  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:41:31pm
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De Kolta Chair  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:41:38pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:42:33pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

They’re like dim-witted parrots.

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None for the Republicans? Someone should read about the KKK in Indiana.

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b_sharp  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:44:07pm

re: #37 wrenchwench

Turns out my brain is about twice as scrambled as they thought.

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We love it no matter what it looks like.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:44:29pm

re: #40 De Kolta Chair

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Uh yes, I mean I disagreed with McCain and Romney but I never thought they had authoritarian aspirations.

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Jenner7  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:45:26pm

Here’s the video.

BBL.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:45:31pm

re: #34 ObserverArt

Hey Stevie, you big history buff you…why are you ignoring the part of the provable history that shows the changes in the party since that time when the Klan was a part of southern type Democratic party.

Oh, seeing his timeline I guess he sees no connection to any changes. Never mind. Idiot time.

The KKK when it was at its height in the 1920’s had members in both parties. Republicans think the KKK was always Democrats and that’s just not true. In fact, in 1928 the KKK backed Hoover over my username’s namesake Al Smith because Smith was Catholic and anti-prohibition.

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Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:45:55pm

re: #44 Jenner7

Here’s the video.

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BBL.

The “dumb blonde” jokes write themselves.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:46:38pm

re: #44 Jenner7

Here’s the video.

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BBL.

Estupido.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:47:58pm

Wasn’t very long ago that the Republicans had a standard bearer who while his Spanish wasn’t the best was proud that he could speak some. I have to admit. I did mock that at the time but looking back on it, I appreciate that George W. Bush could at least respect Hispanics and Spanish speakers.

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CuriousLurker  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:48:47pm

re: #28 Jenner7

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Wow, I don’t usually care for comic book based stuff, but that one looks really cool.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:49:00pm

Lest we forget…

Washington Post, 12:20 ET: Blast kills at least 80 during peaceful protest in Kabul

KABUL — At least 80 people were killed and more than 230 wounded Saturday when attackers detonated explosives amid a huge crowd of peaceful protesters in the Afghan capital, most of them from the country’s Shiite ethnic Hazara minority, Afghan officials said.

The death toll was the highest for any terrorist attack in the capital after more than a decade of fighting between Taliban militants and Afghan and NATO forces. If indeed carried out by the Islamic State, known as “Daesh” in Afghanistan, it would be the first major urban attack in the country by the radical Sunni terrorist group and could signal its first deliberate effort to target Afghanistan’s Shiite minority, which it views as infidels.

Hundreds of Hazaras have reportedly fought alongside President Bashar al-Assad’s troops in Syria against Sunni groups, including the Islamic State, in recent years, making Hazaras a likely target for the extremist group’s loyalists back in Afghanistan.

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Skip Intro  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:49:57pm

re: #48 HappyWarrior

Bush was an incompetent president but a decent man. He’s the last GOP pres candidate that I can say that about.

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b.d.  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:49:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:50:09pm

re: #39 Jenner7

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What frustrates me is they’re upset at how the DNC treats and views them but it’s not as if they’re exactly glowing to the DNC. I’m sorry but I’m sick of Bernie supporters crying about how the DNC treated their candidate when they’ve always hated the DNC and many of them don’t even themselves as loyal Democrats and just saw the Democratic Party as a mobile to push their cause rather than actually build a party. I’m NOT talking about all Sanders supporters by the way but the ones like Cornel West who quickly jumped on Jill Stein’s ship.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:50:55pm

re: #51 Skip Intro

Bush was an incompetent president but a decent man. He’s the last GOP pres candidate that I can say that about.

Same. It’s been downhill ever since 2008 McCain.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:51:10pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:52:00pm

re: #55 goddamnedfrank

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Some of them gasp even have Spanish as their native language. The horror.

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Skip Intro  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:52:10pm

re: #51 Skip Intro

Bush was an incompetent president but a decent man. He’s the last GOP pres candidate that I can say that about.

He’s also the last president who had a Congress that was interested in governing.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:53:33pm

re: #57 Skip Intro

He’s also the last president who had a Congress that was interested in governing.

When I clicked [New Comments], this comment showed up already with three updings.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:53:39pm

Chuck C. Johnson just did an appearance on an outright white supremacist internet radio show, and said he had personally met with Donald Trump, not once but twice.

He lies all the time, so it’s hard to assess whether it’s true or not.

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SteelPH  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:53:55pm

re: #57 Skip Intro

He’s also the last president who had a Congress that was interested in governing.

Granted it wasn’t exactly competent governing, but governing none the less.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:54:11pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:54:24pm

By the way, I think while Kaine is not a son or even grandson of immigrants, he showed a re: #59 Charles Johnson

Chuck C. Johnson just did an appearance on an outright white supremacist internet radio show, and said he had personally met with Donald Trump, not once but twice.

He lies all the time, so it’s hard to assess whether it’s true or not.

I would have loved to known what he thought about what Cruz did. I imagine that honeymoon is long over though.

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Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:54:31pm

re: #39 Jenner7

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Yeah, no offense, but this whole “ZOMG! Being mean to Bernie will harm party unity!” BS got old months ago. Bernie was not party, he was an opportunistic old man who slapped a (D) next to his name because it was the only way to get free TV coverage. The idea that the party somehow owed him a fair fight is ridiculous. Especially when he began actively attacking them, such as his ridiculous lawsuit for getting caught with hand in the cookie jar.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:55:11pm

re: #37 wrenchwench

Turns out my brain is about twice as scrambled as they thought

LOL I had to get one of those in hospital a couple of years ago and they were nice enough to give me a copy:

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:55:55pm

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

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One of my college friends, someone I don’t agree with ideologically had nice things to say about him as a person. And I must say, I thought he was pleasant when I met him too. I’ve met some other Virginia politicians of both parties and Kaine was one of the better ones.

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Skip Intro  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:57:00pm

re: #60 SteelPH

Granted it wasn’t exactly competent governing, but governing none the less.

He supported prescription drug coverage for Medicare, spent billions on AIDS aid to Africa, and even his two daughters went there to try to help. One created a foundation to support that work.

Compare that to the Trump shits, none of whom has ever done one thing for anyone not named Trump. Not one thing.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:57:02pm

re: #63 Targetpractice

Yeah, no offense, but this whole “ZOMG! Being mean to Bernie will harm party unity!” BS got old months ago. Bernie was not party, he was an opportunistic old man who slapped a (D) next to his name because it was the only way to get free TV coverage. The idea that the party somehow owed him a fair fight is ridiculous. Especially when he began actively attacking them, such as his ridiculous lawsuit for getting caught with hand in the cookie jar.

I mean I’m sorry but did they seriously think the DNC wouldn’t resent Bernie saying they were crooked and shit like that. I’m sorry but Bernie burned a lot of bridges and alot of this is his own damn fault.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:57:34pm

Unfortunately, ask a lot of IBMers in the UK who have been RA’ed and their jobs moving to India if that’s still true today…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:57:56pm

re: #66 Skip Intro

He supported prescription drug coverage for Medicare, spent billions on AIDS aid to Africa, and even his two daughters went there to try to help. One created a foundation to support that work.

Compare that to the Trump shits, none of whom has ever done one thing for anyone not named Trump. Not one thing.

I always wondered Re: Bush how he would have done without a VP named Cheney. Maybe not ideal but perhaps a presidency more like his father’s.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 23, 2016 • 12:59:16pm

re: #63 Targetpractice

Yeah, no offense, but this whole “ZOMG! Being mean to Bernie will harm party unity!” BS got old months ago.

All that is true, but what’s lost is that even if the DNC was actively working against him… okay. Realpolitik is a dirty game. If you can’t defeat the awe-inspiring stupefying power of Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, I’m not convinced you’ll be able to function in the office of President anyway.

But these are arguments we can relitigate in December, once Trump is defeated.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:00:18pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

Chuck C. Johnson just did an appearance on an outright white supremacist internet radio show, and said he had personally met with Donald Trump, not once but twice.

He lies all the time, so it’s hard to assess whether it’s true or not.

I would tend to doubt it. After the incident with the Capitol Hill police, I’m going to guess he is less than beloved by the Secret Service.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:00:25pm

re: #69 HappyWarrior

I always wondered Re: Bush how he would have done without a VP named Cheney. Maybe not ideal but perhaps a presidency more like his father’s.

(that moment when you realize you long for the Republican Party exemplified by Dick Cheney….)

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:00:44pm

re: #70 Testy Toad T

All that is true, but what’s lost is that even if the DNC was actively working against him… okay. Realpolitik is a dirty game. If you can’t defeat the awe-inspiring stupefying power of Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, I’m not convinced you’ll be able to function in the office of President anyway.

But these are arguments we can relitigate in December, once Trump is defeated.

I seldom saw anything from Bernie that suggested he was ready to become President. As I said earlier I think many Sanders supporters especially the diehards never really understood the job he was running for and to be honest, I don’t know if Bernie did either.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:00:57pm

I’m telling you. Bernie is going to pull a Cruz.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:01:35pm

re: #72 Testy Toad T

(that moment when you realize you long for the Republican Party exemplified by Dick Cheney….)

I know right? I campaigned my ass off for Kerry-Edwards 12 years ago when I was a senior in high school. I thought that was the worst the GOP could be but oh I was so young and naive. I don’t even want to think about what the GOP will be in 2020.

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stpaulbear  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:01:37pm

re: #35 blueraven

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There was a moment about half way through Kaine’s speech where the crowd was chanting “Hi-La-Ree!” when Kaine turned around to Hillary and said “This is FUN!” off mike. The whole speech was great, but that moment was the best.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:01:44pm

re: #52 b.d.

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Skip Intro  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:02:44pm

re: #69 HappyWarrior

Unfortunately most of Bush’s really bad ideas were Bush’s alone.

I suggest anyone who is at all interested in Bush read the new biography Bush by Jean Edward Smith. He’s brutal on Bush’s role in the Iraq war, but he also points out that Bush really was a decent man who did decent things because he chose to. His warm welcome to the Obama family when Obama won the presidency is just one example.

Just imagine a President Trump and family welcoming his successor (if we’re still having elections by then).

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:03:20pm

re: #76 stpaulbear

There was a moment about half way through Kaine’s speech where the crowd was chanting “Hi-La-Ree!” when Kaine turned around to Hillary and said “This is FUN!” off mike. The whole speech was great, but that moment was the best.

Already having Biden moments. I think the two are very similar men. Unique in their own ways since Biden wasn’t a Civil Rights lawyer and Kaine never did the commuter train thing but they both have a genuine common touch when it comes to politics. They like people and they like helping people.

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Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:03:54pm

re: #74 GlutenFreeJesus

I’m telling you. Bernie is going to pull a Cruz.

Cruz hadn’t given his endorsement before the convention, so already Hillary has done quite a bit more than Herr Trump to neutralize the dangers of such a tactic from Bernie. I think what we’ll get is a speech that wingnuts will insist “proves” that Bernie still hates Hillary with all his heart and is a battlecry for Bros to abandon the party. But he can’t deal the sort of blow that Cruz did by basically pantsing The Orange One on live TV.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:04:47pm

re: #78 Skip Intro

Unfortunately most of Bush’s really bad ideas were Bush’s alone.

I suggest anyone who is at all interested in Bush read the new biography Bush by Jean Edward Smith. He’s brutal on Bush’s role in the Iraq war, but he also points out that Bush really was a decent man who did decent things because he chose to. His warm welcome to the Obama family when Obama won the presidency is just one example.

Just imagine a President Trump and family welcoming his successor (if we’re still having elections by then).

I should check that out. I do think you’re right about that and Bush’s mistakes were definitely his own. I wasn’t trying to gloss over that but I do wonder how it would have been if he had a VP other than Cheney in his ear. That said, I do think Bush is a decent guy who shouldn’t have been President or in elected office. He’s better than Jeb though.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:04:52pm
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Interesting Times  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:04:54pm

re: #42 b_sharp

You asked downstairs why people oppose the TPP. This site gives you all the info you need to know: rejecttpp.ca

“Investor state dispute settlement” rules in TPP gives foreign investors and multinational corporations special rights to sue governments in private tribunals for implementing policies that protect our environment.

…and that’s just one reason people refer to it as “NAFTA on steroids.” It isn’t just tree-hugging hippies who are opposed to it either: Nobel laureate says Canada should reject TPP deal

Economist Joseph Stiglitz says he has told his “friend,” International Trade Minister Chrystia Freeland, that Canada should reject the Trans-Pacific Partnership because it’s a badly flawed trade deal.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:05:44pm

re: #78 Skip Intro

Just imagine a President Trump and family welcoming his successor (if we’re still having elections by then).

So, think about the stress of the office. Think about how badly Trump compartmentalizes and controls his emotions, how often he blows his top. Think about ex-presidential hair.

Imagine what a President Donald Trump’s hair would look like in January of 2025.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:06:13pm

re: #82 Eric The Fruit Bat

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I think Sean had too much to drink the previous night. I loved seeing Jon Stewart call out what a hypocritical weasel he really is.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:06:27pm

re: #74 GlutenFreeJesus

I’m telling you. Bernie is going to pull a Cruz.

I thought he did an excellent job carrying water for the Democratic Party on twitter during Trump’s speech. Brilliant campaigning.

I’m not worried in the least.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:07:04pm

hahahahaaaaaa

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:07:10pm

re: #86 Testy Toad T

I thought he did an excellent job carrying water for the Democratic Party on twitter during Trump’s speech. Brilliant campaigning.

I’m not worried in the least.

I’m not either. It took him a while but he’s on board. I haven’t seen him comment on Kaine yet.

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sagehen  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:07:44pm

re: #10 thedopefishlives

Heh. I just saw a wingnut meme that implied Ted Cruz was “got at” by President Obama. Apparently he took a plane ride in Air Force One a couple of weeks ago. That’s enough to paint him as a RINO stooge.

Not “apparently”, and not just for funsies. When Obama went to Dallas to speak at the memorial, he offered a ride to both Texas senators and all the Dallas-area members of Congress.

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blueraven  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:09:20pm

Gotta run some errands but thought I would just drop this here.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:10:14pm

re: #89 sagehen

Not “apparently”, and not just for funsies. When Obama went to Dallas to speak at the memorial, he offered a ride to both Texas senators and all the Dallas-area members of Congress.

It does make me wonder how Cruz is going to act now that he’s seen his vicious his ideology can be. Maybe he’ll do us all a favor and not run for re-election. Thing is that disturbs me is that there are even worse people in the Texas GOP than him that could get that seat.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:10:32pm

OT: The Wonder Woman ComiCom trailer:

WONDER WOMAN Comic-Con Trailer

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:10:41pm

re: #86 Testy Toad T

That was before the wikileaks garbage.

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blueraven  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:10:42pm

OK one more. I love Barney!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:10:52pm

re: #90 blueraven

Gotta run some errands but thought I would just drop this here.

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Yep and a lot of far lefties are eating that shit for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Useful idiots.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:11:50pm

re: #94 blueraven

OK one more. I love Barney!

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I miss him. Loved his testimony on the Hill last week in which he destroyed a “religious liberty” bill.

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Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:12:20pm

re: #90 blueraven

Gotta run some errands but thought I would just drop this here.

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Which is totally not surprising, as the Bros are many of the same people who have swooned over Putin ever since Snowden conveniently found refuge in Russia.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:13:01pm

re: #93 GlutenFreeJesus

That was before the wikileaks garbage.

This only provided evidence for what he and his supporters already believed anyway.

Excuse me for not wailing and rending my garments at the latest democrats-in-disarray fart-storm.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:13:57pm

Thunderstorm blipped the power and dropped my wireless router for a minute. I panicked. What? A lazy Saturday without access to LGF?!

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stpaulbear  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:14:09pm

It must tear Trump to shreds to be competing against people who’ve actually provided positive impact on society. Trump can’t hold a candle to a guy like Kaine (or a woman like Hillary) and he knows it. I’m looking forward to the implosion.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:14:41pm

So Mikey Moore has a fugly article on Huffington Post proclaiming five reasons why Trump will win. What a load of shit. And yes, I did read a little of it. Typical woe is me lefty bullshit.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:15:40pm

As an aside, it’s not hard to imagine Kaine as the presumptive Democratic nominee in 2016 had Obama tapped him for VP in 2008.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:16:22pm

(Did I already post this last night? The Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA fancier in me doesn’t recall.)

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:17:08pm

re: #102 Testy Toad T

As an aside, it’s not hard to imagine Kaine as the presumptive Democratic nominee in 2016 had Obama tapped him for VP in 2008.

He was someone Obama heavily vetted and I think if there hadn’t been questions about Obama’s FP creds would have been the pick. Anyhow, Kaine was an early endorser of Obama’s that same election which I think should again brush aside the lie that Clinton is someone who holds grudges and is vindictive.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:18:03pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

So Mikey Moore has a fugly article on Huffington Post proclaiming five reasons why Trump will win. What a load of shit. And yes, I did read a little of it. Typical woe is me lefty bullshit.

Sometimes I think the far left almost deserves Trump. The Bernie Busters certainly do. The rest of us don’t.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:18:22pm

re: #98 Testy Toad T

Don’t get me wrong. Bernie is no democrat and this has no bearing on the party. But I can see this pissing off Bernie to the point he tries to get some payback.

Let this serve as a lesson to the DNC to not allow outsiders who never did anything for the party to come in and start making demands.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:20:32pm

re: #105 Shiplord Kirel

Sometimes I think the far left almost deserves Trump. The Bernie Busters certainly do. The rest of us don’t.

I’ve had a similar thought. I feel they almost don’t deserve what we’ve gotten under Obama and Clinton if she’s elected. There’s a line from the JFK speech he apparently was going to give in Dallas the day he was shot, it could be said to describe both the far left and far right.
There will always be dissident voices heard in the land, expressing opposition without alternative, finding fault but never favor, perceiving gloom on every side and seeking influence without responsibility. Those voices are inevitable.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:21:13pm

Exposing Trump, or anyone else, as a complete sold-out Putin stooge would not really help. The delusional, hate crazed GOP base doesn’t really have a problem with Vlad being in charge here, too. Just ask them.

Can we question their patriotism now?

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Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:23:55pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

So Mikey Moore has a fugly article on Huffington Post proclaiming five reasons why Trump will win. What a load of shit. And yes, I did read a little of it. Typical woe is me lefty bullshit.

Moore hasn’t been culturally relevant since Dubya left office, so of course he wants a President Trump. It’s the only way he makes money anymore, railing against Republicans in the White House.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:24:34pm

I’ve said it a few times over the past day but I really think the far left has themselves in an ideological bubble. They don’t listen to other people who don’t think like them so they’re shocked when Clinton does win in places like California, New York, and Massachusetts. While they are not racists or bigots, I would suggest that are tone deaf to the concerns of racial minorities. One criticism I have of socialists is that I think theit emphasis is way too on much their economic revolution at the expense of everything else. Sexism, homophobia, and racism aren’t going to disappear if we magically fix income inequality. Income inequality IS a problem but so are those things. The far left isn’t homophobic, sexist, or racist by and large but they are I think guilty of insensitivity to it. Mostly because they’re predominately affluent white progressives.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:25:49pm

re: #109 Targetpractice

Moore hasn’t been culturally relevant since Dubya left office, so of course he wants a President Trump. It’s the only way he makes money anymore, railing against Republicans in the White House.

I feel the same way about people like Glenn Beck on the right too. They need a president of their opposition because it means more money and airtime for them. Not only that but Moore’s ignorant as hell of what the Rust Belt is. I won’t say modern Pittsburgh is a perfect place but it’s a city doing well for itself. Moore’s an as out of touch elitist as those he decries.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:29:07pm

It’s no coincidence at all to me that nearly every Bernie or Buster I’ve seen on FB is white and from a well to do background. One thing I was reading about why so many African-American voters can understand pragmatism is because they’re used to it. While White America got the New Deal, African-Americans had to fight hard to get included into it. That gets me at another thing that drives me bonkers about this section of the left. They venerate FDR but they ignore that FDR had John Nance Garner as his running mate, that FDR happily worked with the Dixiecrats, etc but somehow Obama and Clinton are sell outs because they don’t attack the corporate world. The corporate world is flawed I concede but the corporate world is also full of people too. I don’t like when Republicans demonize all federal workers and I don’t like business people made out to be sinister ghouls either.

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Teukka  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:29:39pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

I’ve had a similar thought. I feel they almost don’t deserve what we’ve gotten under Obama and Clinton if she’s elected. There’s a line from the JFK speech he apparently was going to give in Dallas the day he was shot, it could be said to describe both the far left and far right.
There will always be dissident voices heard in the land, expressing opposition without alternative, finding fault but never favor, perceiving gloom on every side and seeking influence without responsibility. Those voices are inevitable.

Sauce: pbs.org

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Nyet  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:30:02pm

OK, Kaine seems to be doing the rollout thing pretty well. My doubts about him are decreasing pretty fast.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:30:03pm

Feeling a little ranty today.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:30:23pm

re: #113 Teukka

Sauce: pbs.org

Thanks. Damn it’s too bad he never got to give the speech because I think that’s a great line.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:32:33pm

trump convention bounce so far not in evidence. instead:

Why Trump and Clinton might not get a convention bounce

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:32:37pm

re: #115 Charles Johnson

Feeling a little ranty today.

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We both are heh but yours was better. I agree though, the racist right has been GROWING not shrinking and what troubles me Charles is that it’s not older wingnuts, it’s ones around my own age like Milo, CCJ, Cernovitch, and others. I’ve always been proud of the fact that I grew up in one of the most diverse parts of our country and attended a diverse college. Having a lot of experiences with people of diverse backgrounds has made me a better person.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:33:50pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

It’s no coincidence at all to me that nearly every Bernie or Buster I’ve seen on FB is white and from a well to do background. One thing I was reading about why so many African-American voters can understand pragmatism is because they’re used to it. While White America got the New Deal, African-Americans had to fight hard to get included into it.

There is no surer indicator of white middle-class male privilege than entertaining the idea of a “protest vote” for president.

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Nyet  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:34:06pm

I hope Cernovitch is banned next.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:35:22pm

re: #114 Nyet

OK, Kaine seems to be doing the rollout thing pretty well. My doubts about him are decreasing pretty fast.

I went from MEH to WOOO in record time.

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Lidane  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:35:24pm

I see that Trump’s Latino outreach is going well. ///////

Watching Tim Kaine’s speech now. He’s impressive. He’s doing a fantastic job getting the crowd on his side and he brings a real warmth to the table. I like him. Hillary made a really good choice.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:35:29pm

re: #119 Testy Toad T

There is no surer indicator of white middle-class male privilege than entertaining the idea of a “protest vote” for president.

It really is. And to be honest, that’s close to what my demographic is except I do have a disability which I guess has made me more empathetic. I was someone that pre-ACA could have been denied coverage too.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:36:29pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:36:29pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

It’s no coincidence at all to me that nearly every Bernie or Buster I’ve seen on FB is white and from a well to do background. One thing I was reading about why so many African-American voters can understand pragmatism is because they’re used to it. While White America got the New Deal, African-Americans had to fight hard to get included into it. That gets me at another thing that drives me bonkers about this section of the left. They venerate FDR but they ignore that FDR had John Nance Garner as his running mate, that FDR happily worked with the Dixiecrats, etc but somehow Obama and Clinton are sell outs because they don’t attack the corporate world. The corporate world is flawed I concede but the corporate world is also full of people too. I don’t like when Republicans demonize all federal workers and I don’t like business people made out to be sinister ghouls either.

Virtually every Bro I’ve met is white, comes from a mid to upper-middle class background, and counts the Great Recession as the greatest motivator in their decision to support Bernie. Either they lost their job, they lost money, they lost property, or they feel that the banks didn’t get reamed hard enough. Social issues? They see those as distractions. Immigration? They are on the same page as Bernie, wringing their hand about “slave wages” while muttering about immigrants “taking all the jobs” when they think nobody is listening. Gun control? Another distraction. They see socialism as a means to enrich themselves, not as a solver of societies ills. Why? Because they don’t personally experience any of those ills.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:37:29pm

I’m really glad to see that Kaine’s impressed you guys. As I said yesterday, he’s had a big reason why Virginia is not only a great place to live, all my education has been done here but also a competitive state for Democrats at the polls. It’s easy to see him as a boring white guy but when you really look at who he is and what he’s done, you’ll see someone who is a vital part of why our party is so diverse here in Virginia.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:38:36pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

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Nixon considered that guy for the Supreme Court. Oh and he actually repeatedly expressed remorse. I’m sorry but I’m fucking tired of conservatives going to Byrd when Duke is brought up. Byrd was perhaps the most remorseful I’ve ever seen a former Jim Crow supporting politician. Same can’t be said about Strom Thurmond or Jesse Helms, who in fact never showed any guilt whether in his demeanor or in votes.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:38:57pm

re: #89 sagehen

Not “apparently”, and not just for funsies. When Obama went to Dallas to speak at the memorial, he offered a ride to both Texas senators and all the Dallas-area members of Congress.

Okay, so the picture and caption was legit. I wondered what the occasion was - Presidents don’t just have people aboard AF1 for the hell of it. Nevertheless, they’re spinning it as, CRUZ SOLD OUT TO OBAMA SO THAT’S WHY HE HATES TRUMP!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:40:47pm

re: #125 Targetpractice

Virtually every Bro I’ve met is white, comes from a mid to upper-middle class background, and counts the Great Recession as the greatest motivator in their decision to support Bernie. Either they lost their job, they lost money, they lost property, or they feel that the banks didn’t get reamed hard enough. Social issues? They see those as distractions. Immigration? They are on the same page as Bernie, wringing their hand about “slave wages” while muttering about immigrants “taking all the jobs” when they think nobody is listening. Gun control? Another distraction. They see socialism as a means to enrich themselves, not as a solver of societies ills. Why? Because they don’t personally experience any of those ills.

They’re revenge motivated. They’re the people who I saw more furious that Obama didn’t have Bush and Cheney put on trial than had joy that we actually got some health care reform passed. They are like that Kennedy quote I posted, they always perceive gloom. They really frankly are a left wing Tea Party in their mindset.

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gwangung  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:43:29pm

re: #125 Targetpractice

Virtually every Bro I’ve met is white, comes from a mid to upper-middle class background, and counts the Great Recession as the greatest motivator in their decision to support Bernie. Either they lost their job, they lost money, they lost property, or they feel that the banks didn’t get reamed hard enough. Social issues? They see those as distractions. Immigration? They are on the same page as Bernie, wringing their hand about “slave wages” while muttering about immigrants “taking all the jobs” when they think nobody is listening. Gun control? Another distraction. They see socialism as a means to enrich themselves, not as a solver of societies ills. Why? Because they don’t personally experience any of those ills.

I actually know a fair number of POC Sanders supporters. Some of them have long memories to the 90s, with their distaste for triangulation. Some of them have some concerns (quite grounded) about the Clintons’ corporate bent. But I think it’s all been overly exaggerated.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:43:36pm

Also the KKK was never Democratic only. Don’t ever let right wingers and Republicans get away with that hideous lie. The KKK thrived in the 1920’s because it promoted itself as uniquely American, white, and Protestant. The early KKK I concede was Democratic but the KKK when it was at its zenith in the mid 1920’s had plenty of power brokers from the GOP as well. And it’s also not a coincidence IMO that David Duke did his best in Louisiana running as a GOPer. And finally these assholes should ask themselves whether the KKK is really going to support the party of a woman who replaced a black guy and nominated a Catholic man who is proud of his ability to speak English and Spanish as her running mate.

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BigPapa  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:43:46pm

re: #94 blueraven

OK one more. I love Barney!

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I miss Barney.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:44:50pm

re: #130 gwangung

I actually know a fair number of POC Sanders supporters. Some of them have long memories to the 90s, with their distaste for triangulation. Some of them have some concerns (quite grounded) about the Clintons’ corporate bent. But I think it’s all been overly exaggerated.

Some of it I understand. Hell it took me a long time to warm up to Clinton myself but where they did lose me was the crazy CT mongreling, the fact that I think they did not make a case for Bernie at all, and that they really showed me they had no idea what the office Bernie was running for actually enttailed.

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Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:46:33pm

re: #130 gwangung

I actually know a fair number of POC Sanders supporters. Some of them have long memories to the 90s, with their distaste for triangulation. Some of them have some concerns (quite grounded) about the Clintons’ corporate bent. But I think it’s all been overly exaggerated.

Oh, I’m not saying that Bernie lacked non-Bro support. But, by and large, every one of the fanatical supporters I’ve met is white. But you’re right, a lot of the more fervent ones I’ve met are the older crowd who’ve been nursing a grudge ever since Bill took office and moved the party away from the days of McGovern and Mondale.

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BigPapa  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:46:46pm

I knew nothing about Kaine a few weeks ago. I saw Warren, Booker, and a few other good candidates but knew they may not be the best VP pick. The more I look the more it appears Kaine is an excellent choice.

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BigPapa  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:48:24pm

Steve isn’t very smart.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:49:31pm

re: #134 Targetpractice

Oh, I’m not saying that Bernie lacked non-Bro support. But, by and large, every one of the fanatical supporters I’ve met is white. But you’re right, a lot of the more fervent ones I’ve met are the older crowd who’ve been nursing a grudge ever since Bill took office and moved the party away from the days of McGovern and Mondale.

It’s very important here to differentiate between Bernie supporter and Bernie Bro. My sister in law’s sisters were Bernie supporters but they also as immigrants know what’s at stake with a Trump presidency far better than some privileged white upper middle class bro who found out about Bernie just last year and thinks he’s profound because he reads Chomsky.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:51:33pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

Also the KKK was never Democratic only. Don’t ever let right wingers and Republicans get away with that hideous lie. The KKK thrived in the 1920’s because it promoted itself as uniquely American, white, and Protestant. The early KKK I concede was Democratic but the KKK when it was at its zenith in the mid 1920’s had plenty of power brokers from the GOP as well. And it’s also not a coincidence IMO that David Duke did his best in Louisiana running as a GOPer. And finally these assholes should ask themselves whether the KKK is really going to support the party of a woman who replaced a black guy and nominated a Catholic man who is proud of his ability to speak English and Spanish as her running mate.

the gop cant face the fact that the racist ‘dixiecrat’ kkk members converted to the republican party en masse btw 1970 and 1985

because it had become the party that was friendly to them

mentioning this simple and overwhelmingly obvious fact to republicans will automatically trigger a fit of “na na na i cant hear you”

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jaunte  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:55:07pm

re: #136 SoundGuy 2016

No one can tell me when

No one can tell him anything.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:55:09pm

re: #136 SoundGuy 2016

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Steve isn’t very smart.

It was a process not an event. Some historians think it started as early as Hoover not doing enough as Commerce Secretary to do enough to help African-Americans adversely effected by the Great Mississippi Flood of 1927, others link FDR’s New Deal while not totally racially egalitarian in implementation with helping a lot of poor African-Americans who had long been ignored in previous progressive legislation i.e. Teddy Roosevelt’s Square Deal and Wilson’s reforms pre WWI, or Truman’s decision to desegregate the military. To me, I think the ultimate straw that broke many African-Americans from the GOP was 1964. You had the national (emphasis on the national part since many Southern Democratic parties were opposed) Democratic Party with LBJ and Humprhey strongly supporting the Civil Rights while the national GOP with Goldwater and Bill Miller really moved away. And then you later had the Southern Strategy and Reagan’s general insensitivity to African-Americans.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:56:16pm

re: #138 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

the gop cant face the fact that the racist ‘dixiecrat’ kkk members converted to the republican party en masse btw 1970 and 1985

because it had become the party that was friendly to them

mentioning this simple and overwhelmingly obvious fact to republicans will automatically trigger a fit of “na na na i cant hear you”

What’s more is they don’t want to admit their saint, Ronald Reagan had a big part in that, they don’t want to admit that smiling Grandpa Ron was often the first stop on board the transition to the GOP for many many Southern white voters who had previously been staunch supporters of Jim Crow and segregation.

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Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:57:16pm

re: #136 SoundGuy 2016

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Steve isn’t very smart.

Sure, I can tell’em when: 1964. The year that the “Party of Lincoln” took up the “states rights” banner and began marching with it. 4 years later, they formulated the “Southern Strategy” and ran on pure, unfiltered racial animosity. Nixon did what Trump is doing now: Portrayed himself as the “law and order” candidate, promising to return the country to a state of being before all them negroes had the audacity to think they was equal to white men.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 1:59:31pm

Jackie Robinson by the way campaigned for Nixon against Kennedy in 1960 since he thought Nixon had the better Civil Rights record and I have to say, there was merit to that and you’re talking to someone whose older family members loved Kennedy because he was the first Catholic and Nixon was well Nixon. But four years later, Jackie had supported LBJ since Goldwater’s indifferent attitude on Civil Rights bothered him, and by 1968, he supported Humphrey over Nixon when Nixon had started to embrace people like Strom Thurmond. The GOP has only itself to blame for how they’re perceived by African-Americans and the same will be true with Hispanic-Americans. Not every Hispanic-American is an immigrant but Hispanic-Americans I’d say more than most demographics in this country know someone who is and know how difficult immigration was for the family.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 2:01:54pm

re: #142 Targetpractice

Sure, I can tell’em when: 1964. The year that the “Party of Lincoln” took up the “states rights” banner and began marching with it. 4 years later, they formulated the “Southern Strategy” and ran on pure, unfiltered racial animosity. Nixon did what Trump is doing now: Portrayed himself as the “law and order” candidate, promising to return the country to a state of being before all them negroes had the audacity to think they was equal to white men.

I think 1964 was the point of no turning back. I think as I said in my other post though that other things did lead up to it. The funny thing is what did happen is what I see Republicans accuse Democrats of doing now with African-Americans and that’s taking them for granted. The Republican Party benefited greatly from being the Party of Lincoln with African-American voters especially in the South. In the North, from what I’ve read, it was more competitive since Northern Democrats were much better on Civil Rights than Southern ones.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 2:04:11pm

Anyhow, in the end, it’s funny to hear the people who hate hearing people bring up slavery bring up what the two parties were ideologically 150 years ago as if that’s relevant. Slavery had long, long term effects even after the 13th was passed. I’ll be the first to say that many of my ancestors did not have easy lives but compared with slaves and their descendants, it was pretty easy. Sure the older ones may have gotten shit for their accents or having funny names but accents fade with passing generations and names can be changed.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 23, 2016 • 2:04:12pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

What’s more is they don’t want to admit their saint, Ronald Reagan had a big part in that, they don’t want to admit that smiling Grandpa Ron was often the first stop on board the transition to the GOP for many many Southern white voters who had previously been staunch supporters of Jim Crow and segregation.

there’s an apparently invisible line from ‘law and order’ to increased police pressure on black people to murder of black kids by police to black lives matter to ‘law and order’

when republican candidates talk about how they will “restore respect for the law” how come nobody ever gets out the translator to explain What The Fuck Do You Actually Mean By That??

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Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2016 • 2:07:52pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

I think 1964 was the point of no turning back. I think as I said in my other post though that other things did lead up to it. The funny thing is what did happen is what I see Republicans accuse Democrats of doing now with African-Americans and that’s taking them for granted. The Republican Party benefited greatly from being the Party of Lincoln with African-American voters especially in the South. In the North, from what I’ve read, it was more competitive since Northern Democrats were much better on Civil Rights than Southern ones.

Well, if we’re going to dig deeper into the record, the flip really began in ‘48, when Strom set the stage for it by running against Truman and his civil rights record. The Dixiecrats were a direct response to the national party’s beginning to move away from its dependency on Southern votes and beginning to embrace desegregation and minority rights. Thurmond took up the “states rights” banner that Goldwater would adopt 16 years later, when Strom himself would lead the migration of Southern Democrats over to the GOP. After all, it wasn’t a Democrat who wrapped his arms around Strom’s leathery form and declare that if he’d been elected president, we wouldn’t have had “all those problems.”

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William Lewis  Jul 23, 2016 • 2:08:15pm

re: #120 Nyet

I hope Cernovitch is banned next.

It’ll only happen if he threatens the ad money by making someone famous leave. See Rage Furby & Milo.

This is why I refuse to use Twitter.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 2:10:48pm

re: #147 Targetpractice

Well, if we’re going to dig deeper into the record, the flip really began in ‘48, when Strom set the stage for it by running against Truman and his civil rights record. The Dixiecrats were a direct response to the national party’s beginning to move away from its dependency on Southern votes and beginning to embrace desegregation and minority rights. Thurmond took up the “states rights” banner that Goldwater would adopt 16 years later, when Strom himself would lead the migration of Southern Democrats over to the GOP. After all, it wasn’t a Democrat who wrapped his arms around Strom’s leathery form and declare that if he’d been elected president, we wouldn’t have had “all those problems.”

Good point. And ole Strom was one of the first Dixiecrats to become a Republican too. During that same time too, the Southern Republicans attempted to run to the right of the Democrats on Civil Rights too. Really, it’s a shameful history that the GOP has. Going well “Your party sucked in 1865” isn’t going to cut it. The best thing is to actually start treating minority voters with respect but they don’t do that still.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 23, 2016 • 2:12:44pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

So Mikey Moore has a fugly article on Huffington Post proclaiming five reasons why Trump will win. What a load of shit. And yes, I did read a little of it. Typical woe is me lefty bullshit.

Like Donald Trump, Michael Moore is a serial liar.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 2:13:32pm

We’re already seeing revisionism too on LGBT issues with people like Hoft insisting it was the conservatives that ruled in favor of SSM. The most conservative Supreme Court judge that ruled in favor of SSM was Kennedy and conservatives attacked him for it. Same thing with the other jurists with conservative reputations. Meanwhile, the late Scaiia who literally every Republican presidential candidate says would be a model USSC judge threw a tantrum about the decision. And that’s not even considering the GOP platform this year about gays and Trump’s running mate’s record on the matter.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 2:14:20pm

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

Like Donald Trump, Michael Moore is a serial liar.

He won’t ever be nominated by the Democratic Party for any office let alone President though so there’s saving graces there.

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Great White Snark  Jul 23, 2016 • 2:14:42pm

re: #115 Charles Johnson

It’s hot as hell in our region, the brushfire smoke is awful, the light from the sky weird and Twitter has it coming in spades.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 23, 2016 • 2:14:54pm

the transformation of the democratic party from the party of slavery and big city machine politics to the progressive party began in 1896 when populist and progressive policies and voters were incorporated into the party

there were those who were distressed at how william jennings bryan made the ‘you shall not crucify us on this cross of gold’ theme dominant and called it the ‘cowbird of progressivism’

a cowbird of course is a bird who lays its eggs in other birds’ nests

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 23, 2016 • 2:15:32pm

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

Like Donald Trump, Michael Moore is a serial liar.

can you document that statement?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 2:15:53pm

re: #154 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

the transformation of the democratic party from the party of slavery and big city machine politics to the progressive party began in 1896 when populist and progressive policies and voters were incorporated into the party

there were those who were distressed at how william jennings bryan made the ‘you shall not crucify us on this cross of gold’ theme dominant and called it the ‘cowbird of progressivism’

a cowbird of course is a bird who lays its eggs in other birds’ nests

I’m not a huge W.J. Bryan fan but he definitely had a lot of positive impact on the direction the Democratic Party took.

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Khal Wimpo (no longer entitled to his own facts)  Jul 23, 2016 • 2:16:12pm

The ash flakes floating out of the sky into my yard today make me look out the window and think, just for a second, that I’m back in Wisconsin, and it’s a gentle snowfall in mid-November.

And then I remember that it’s 105 outside and the sky actually looks like this:

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Lidane  Jul 23, 2016 • 2:17:55pm
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Split Ticket  Jul 23, 2016 • 2:19:00pm

re: #153 Great White Snark

re: #157 Khal Wimpo (no longer entitled to his own facts)

Philly is under a severe thunderstorm warning until 5:30 pm EDT. At least the temps have come down from the century mark.

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Lidane  Jul 23, 2016 • 2:19:24pm
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Teukka  Jul 23, 2016 • 2:19:45pm

re: #160 Lidane

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Dang. Beat me to it.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 2:20:36pm

re: #158 Lidane

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Pretty funny stuff considering that right wing assholes like Palin repeatedly belittle teachers and government employees.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 2:21:52pm

I have to say though even the machine politics had some positive contributions. They did make immigrants feel integrated and welcome into America. They were far from perfect I concede and a lot even ahd organized crime connections but for a poor Irish/German immigrant to a new land, the machine had its uses.

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BigPapa  Jul 23, 2016 • 2:28:18pm

The Democratic Party did not form the KKK. It’s a mendacious lie. Upon further reading Nathan Bedford Forrest was not the founder: he was a member in the early formation. He was a pledged delegate to the 1868 DNC: so there’s the evidence that the Democratic Party founded the KKK. The reality is that in Reconstruction South the Republicans were more aligned with black’s rights and the KKK was meant to challenge them.

What does this have to do with today’s Democratic Party? Absolutely nothing. Today’s racists? By and large they support the GOP. The Democratic Party that supposedly formed the KKK also elected a two term popular president, a black man.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 2:29:55pm

re: #164 SoundGuy 2016

The Democratic Party did not form the KKK. It’s a mendacious lie. Upon further reading Nathan Bedford Forrest was not the founder: he was a member in the early formation. He was a pledged delegate to the 1868 DNC: so there’s the evidence that the Democratic Party founded the KKK. The reality is that in Reconstruction South the Republicans were more aligned with black’s rights and the KKK was meant to challenge them.

What does this have to do with today’s Democratic Party? Absolutely nothing. Today’s racists? By and large they support the GOP. The Democratic Party that supposedly formed the KKK also elected a two term popular president, a black man.

Exactly.

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Great White Snark  Jul 23, 2016 • 2:41:15pm

re: #159 PhillyPretzel

Philly is under a severe thunderstorm warning until 5:30 pm EDT. At least the temps have come down from the century mark.

Well heat waves & brush fires are a southwest fact of life. And like a lot of weather phenom going to get worse by way of climate changes. BTW in our very local first world problem news, the power companies that use natural gas (Edison, LADWP) are pining loud for Aliso canyon gas. Where as i’m sure you recall we had a truly disastrous leak that hit the atmosphere hard.

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Khal Wimpo (no longer entitled to his own facts)  Jul 23, 2016 • 2:42:10pm

re: #160 Lidane

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Jesus. This is going to totally freak out my Ukrainian friends. And the Georgians. And the Kazakhs. Shit, my friend teaching in Lithuania has been nervous lately.

Apparently with good reason. If Trump really is coming down for Putin because Vlad’s people are funneling him laundered cash, that has got to be one of the filthiest things done since Nixon torpedoed the Viet Nam peace talks.

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makeitstop  Jul 23, 2016 • 2:57:32pm

re: #160 Lidane

It’s not just a bromace, Trumps financial empire is strapped for cash & most of the new investment comes from Russia

I really hope the Clinton campaign uses this as an issue.

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