Saturday Night Rickroll, the Swing Version

Never gonna give you up
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574 comments

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electrotek  Jul 23, 2016 • 8:50:45pm

Hasn’t the “Allah Akbar” claim been redacted already???

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gocart mozart  Jul 23, 2016 • 8:52:39pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:02:16pm
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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:02:41pm

A couple from tonight.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:03:17pm

re: #2 gocart mozart

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retired cynic  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:04:12pm

re: #4 Frankie Five Angels

You are Good!

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:05:43pm

I know that “Never Gonna Give You Up” has become Rick Astley’s signature song, but ‘Together Forever’ has always been my preferred song of his:

Rick Astley - Together Forever

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jaunte  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:06:42pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

Trump gained nothing but most thinking people’s contempt by killing that elephant.
96elephants.org

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:07:47pm

Assange let the mask slip:

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Decatur Deb  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:08:36pm

re: #8 jaunte

Trump gained nothing but most thinking people’s contempt by killing that elephant.
96elephants.org

Well, he got a piece of ass.

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jaunte  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:09:23pm

re: #10 Decatur Deb

He gets in in the mirror every day.

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jaunte  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:11:32pm

To expand on the thought, any one who thinks it’s a good idea to go to Africa and shoot an animal whose species extinction is a near-term possibility is a HUUUUGE asshole.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:12:08pm

re: #8 jaunte

Trump gained nothing but most thinking people’s contempt by killing that elephant.
96elephants.org

And I feel differently that those people.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:12:13pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

Assange let the mask slip:

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WOW!!!

Fuck that guy.

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JasonA  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:12:28pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

You can say he did nothing illegal in killing that elephant, but some of us wholeheartedly believe that it is indeed wrong to end a life for no reason other than the satisfaction of ending a life.

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jaunte  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:12:35pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

And I feel differently that those people.

I’ll alert the elephants.

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b_sharp  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:13:22pm

re: #15 JasonA

You can say he did nothing illegal in killing that elephant, but some of us wholeheartedly believe that it is indeed wrong to end a life for no reason other than the satisfaction of ending a life.

It may not be illegal, but in my view it is immoral.

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b_sharp  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:14:17pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

And I feel differently that those people.

Killing for the thrill of killing is pretty much sociopathic.

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gocart mozart  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:14:25pm
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retired cynic  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:14:51pm

re: #17 b_sharp

It may not be illegal, but in my view it is immoral.

As do a number of us. I will sign that. Hunting to eat is one thing, but to buy the privilege to kill and party about it is despicable to me.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:14:52pm

re: #15 JasonA

You can say he did nothing illegal in killing that elephant, but some of us wholeheartedly believe that it is indeed wrong to end a life for no reason other than the satisfaction of ending a life.

Well, it was also to prove his prowess. And he took care of the local village’s meat for a month with the meat from that elephant.

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stpaulbear  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:14:59pm

re: #12 jaunte

To expand on the thought, any one who thinks it’s a good idea to go to Africa and shoot an animal whose species extinction is a near-term possibility for the fun of it is a HUUUUGE asshole.

I agree with your original statement but just wanted to add my two bits.

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jaunte  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:15:02pm

If you want to hunt, go hunt feral hogs.

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jaunte  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:15:28pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

Well, it was also to prove his prowess. And he took care of the local village’s meat for a month with the meat from that elephant.

Canned hunt.

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jaunte  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:16:08pm

Bwana fantasies.

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JasonA  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:16:29pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

Well, it was also to prove his prowess. And he took care of the local village’s meat for a month with the meat from that elephant.

I audibly snorted at the word “prowess.”

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Decatur Deb  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:17:11pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

Well, it was also to prove his prowess…..

2 lb pull.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:18:03pm

re: #23 jaunte

If you want to hunt, go hunt feral hogs.

Often and as many as possible.

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b_sharp  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:18:26pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

Well, it was also to prove his prowess. And he took care of the local village’s meat for a month with the meat from that elephant.

You mean to feed his feelings of superiority.

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stpaulbear  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:18:37pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

Well, it was also to prove his prowess. And he took care of the local village’s meat for a month with the meat from that elephant.

Proves his prowess. Yeah, right.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:19:05pm

re: #27 Decatur Deb

2 lb pull.

And a tail to take home.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:19:18pm

re: #19 gocart mozart

Quite possibly, the dumbest person in the media today.

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Kragar  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:19:26pm

So, my brother spent his day with the Mystery Science Theater crew at ComicCon today

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b_sharp  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:20:03pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

Well, it was also to prove his prowess. And he took care of the local village’s meat for a month with the meat from that elephant.

No prowess involved in a canned hunt.

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b_sharp  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:20:27pm

re: #27 Decatur Deb

2 lb pull.

Paring knife.

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dell*nix  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:20:34pm

Read a book back in the late ‘50’s early ‘60’s about a guy that went to Central/South America to hunt jaguar. He did it the local way, walk into the jungle with a spear and not a firearm.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:20:35pm

re: #29 b_sharp

You mean to feed his feelings of superiority.

That too.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:21:18pm

And the leopard fed how many for how long?

Fuck that guy with his elephants tail. The brushy part.

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b_sharp  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:21:36pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

That too.

If he wants to feed the village, he can donate funds.

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Lidane  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:21:46pm

Rich people hunting large game like elephants in canned hunts for sport is barbaric and stupid. I can promise you the Trump doofus didn’t eat that elephant or use it for anything but bragging rights.

I grew up in a family of sportsmen and hunters. My cousins and uncles routinely go to hunt deer and smaller game, or go fishing. They eat what they kill. They’ve always been responsible hunters. Elephant hunters don’t fit that description.

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retired cynic  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:22:14pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

Assange let the mask slip:

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Is there a possibility that the embassy will just get tired of this jerk, and put him on the street? We could all applaud.

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b_sharp  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:22:58pm

re: #40 Lidane

Rich people hunting large game like elephants for sport is barbaric and stupid. I can promise you the Trump doofus didn’t eat that elephant or use it for anything but bragging rights.

I grew up in a family of sportsmen and hunters. My cousins and uncles routinely go to hunt deer and smaller game, or go fishing. They eat what they kill. They’ve always been responsible hunters. Elephant hunters don’t fit that description.

Hunting is a part of growing up in Saskatchewan.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:23:46pm

re: #41 retired cynic

Is there a possibility that the embassy will just get tired of this jerk, and put him on the street? We could all applaud.

I wish.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:24:37pm

re: #40 Lidane

Rich people hunting large game like elephants for sport is barbaric and stupid. I can promise you the Trump doofus didn’t eat that elephant or use it for anything but bragging rights.

I grew up in a family of sportsmen and hunters. My cousins and uncles routinely go to hunt deer and smaller game, or go fishing. They eat what they kill. They’ve always been responsible hunters. Elephant hunters don’t fit that description.

I feel that same way about people who “hunt” alpha predators….
Fuck those people.

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Lidane  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:27:10pm

re: #42 b_sharp

Hunting is a part of growing up in Saskatchewan.

It’s part of growing up in many parts of Texas, too. That’s where my cousins learned it. I’ve been around it all my life. Doesn’t bother me, even if I’ll never go hunting or fishing personally.

I have no desire to be up at the ass end of what-the-fuck-o’clock in the morning to sit in a deer blind or on a boat with a fishing rod in my hands. If someone else wants to and they’re RESPONSIBLE about it, more power to them. Hunting large game for sport in a canned hunt isn’t responsible.

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Maxwell Not So Smart  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:27:21pm

IMO normal people who want to go to Africa these days on safari go to shoot photos of animals.

I was lucky enough to get to do one a few years back. One of the most amazing trips I’ve been on. I got to “pet” a wild elephant. I was looking at the photo of that moment earlier today. It amazes me how gentle it was. Came close to getting trampled by a heard of male water buffaloes. Was stared down by a male lion from 6 feet away etc etc etc so many memories that still blow my mind. (BTW some of the nicest people I’ve ever met and spent time with live in Botswana. Very normal there for people you’ve just met to have deep meaningful conversation with you given you’re that type of person.)

The level of asshole you have to be to get on a plane and fly to Africa from NYC to shoot an elephant is off the scale of normal human behavior.

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Lidane  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:27:50pm

re: #44 Dave In Austin

I feel that same way about people who “hunt” alpha predators….
Fuck those people.

Seriously. Leave the apex predators alone. They keep the ecosystems in check, FFS.

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jaunte  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:28:07pm

“… The eldest Trump son also took to Twitter to respond to a flurry of angered messages from fans. “I’m a hunter, for that I make no apologies,” he wrote. “I can assure you it was not wasteful… . The villagers were so happy for the meat which they don’t often get to eat.”

“In some parts its over populated,” he said of elephants in Africa. “Bottom line with out hunters $ there wouldn’t be much left of africa. Eco is nice but no $”
nydailynews.com

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jaunte  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:31:06pm

Apparently those losers in Africa couldn’t survive without Trumps going hunting.

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Tigger2  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:31:10pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:32:29pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

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retired cynic  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:32:39pm

re: #49 jaunte

Apparently those losers in Africa couldn’t survive without Trumps going hunting.

Yes, I was just sitting here trying to get my head around that statement. Africa is a pretty darned big place to just be waiting for rich jerks to come shoot food for them. I could have sworn other activities happened there.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:38:49pm

re: #46 Maxwell Not So Smart

IMO normal people who want to go to Africa these days on safari go to shoot photos of animals.

I was lucky enough to get to do one a few years back. One of the most amazing trips I’ve been on. I got to “pet” a wild elephant. I was looking at the photo of that moment earlier today. It amazes me how gentle it was. Came close to getting trampled by a heard of male water buffaloes. Was stared down by a male lion from 6 feet away etc etc etc so many memories that still blow my mind. (BTW some of the nicest people I’ve ever met and spent time with live in Botswana. Very normal there for people you’ve just met to have deep meaningful conversation with you given you’re that type of person.)

The level of asshole you have to be to get on a plane and fly to Africa from NYC to shoot an elephant is off the scale of normal human behavior.

There’s no sport or subsistence value in Westerners flying to Africa and killing elephants, at all. Nobody does it alone or in pairs, it takes a massive hunting party with serious logistics and infrastructure to do it safely, without wasting the vast majority of the meat. They’re also sentient creatures, they have some degree of language like communication and are one of the few animals known to use tools. Only the most insecure assholes on the planet consider that kind of packaged, portered excursion to be legitimate hunting.

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gocart mozart  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:39:21pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

It’s weird that I wrote “Eye wear” instead of “I wear” but you can pretend there is a comma after “wear” and it will be OK.

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Jenner7  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:41:26pm

“I guess I’ll support who is running against Duke. Whatevs.”

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:41:49pm

re: #54 gocart mozart

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+1

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Dave In Austin  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:43:23pm

re: #51 gocart mozart

Put that on a billboard on a busy road

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Shiplord Kirel  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:45:39pm

Just imagine if elephants were as fertile and resilient as feral hogs, and loose in Texas. You’d have to hunt them from A-10s and Apaches.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:45:59pm

re: #52 retired cynic

Yes, I was just sitting here trying to get my head around that statement. Africa is a pretty darned big place to just be waiting for rich jerks to come shoot food for them. I could have sworn other activities happened there.

A couple of Cape Buffs or black-bucks would have sufficed. But Noooooo.

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Kragar  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:46:05pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:46:14pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

I actually am wearing glasses with brown rims right now.

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gocart mozart  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:47:03pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:48:37pm
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Kragar  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:49:32pm
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Maxwell Not So Smart  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:52:12pm

re: #53 goddamnedfrank

There’s no sport or subsistence value in Westerners flying to Africa and killing elephants, at all. Nobody does it alone or in pairs, it takes a massive hunting party with serious logistics and infrastructure to do it safely, without wasting the vast majority of the meat. They’re also sentient creatures, they have some degree of language like communication and are one of the few animals known to use tools. Only the most insecure assholes on the planet consider that kind of packaged, portered excursion to be legitimate hunting.

Our guide in one area made of point of stopping to point out a small family of about 11 elephants that was itself stopped at the bones of another elephant. He said it was very normal to see a heard stop at the bones of past heard members.

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JasonA  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:52:29pm

Realizing that Donald Trump could be president after having a few beers is extra-terrifying as I’m finding out right now.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:53:12pm

re: #58 Shiplord Kirel

Just imagine if elephants were as fertile and resilient as feral hogs, and loose in Texas. You’d have to hunt them from A-10s and Apaches.

Or we could just use M2 Bradleys. Hunting with ATGMs…

Nope, just nope.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:53:51pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

Well, it was also to prove his prowess. And he took care of the local village’s meat for a month with the meat from that elephant.

Right. The great white hunter, bestowing his generosity on the poor benighted savages.

barf

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 9:56:39pm

re: #65 Maxwell Not So Smart

Our guide in one area made of point of stopping to point out a small family of about 11 elephants that was itself stopped at the bones of another elephant. He said it was very normal to see a heard stop at the bones of past heard members.

I believe elephants are known to mourn their dead if I am not mistaken.

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electrotek  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:02:05pm
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Lidane  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:03:35pm

Mental health break:

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Dave In Austin  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:04:17pm

re: #64 Kragar

Dude, I think she’s 12….. Potential #Trumpmodels

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Maxwell Not So Smart  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:05:53pm

I think it is safe to say the Clintons did a far better job of raising their daughter and guiding her to become a normal well adjusted human than any Trump has been able to do.

Sort of ironic these are the families vying for the oval office. Perhaps we can judge who is the better leader based on the way the children have turned out and what they value.

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JasonA  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:07:59pm

re: #73 Maxwell Not So Smart

Perhaps we can judge who is the better leader based on the way the children have turned out and what they value.

Oh I don’t think we really need to drill that deep to judge the leadership potential of these two candidates.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:09:37pm

i was saying last night how i have grown very weary of witnessing the depressing spectacle of a mentally deranged 70 y/o embarrass himself on tv every day

watching pence wince as he continues to justify his despicable tweet insulting the looks of cruz’s wife while extolling his own - something that would get an ordinary person socially blackballed forever from every home in the country - was the last straw for me

ive had it with this narcissistic personality disorder snuff porn

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:10:02pm

re: #73 Maxwell Not So Smart

I think it is safe to say the Clintons did a far better job of raising their daughter and guiding her to become a normal well adjusted human than any Trump has been able to do.

Sort of ironic these are the families vying for the oval office. Perhaps we can judge who is the better leader based on the way the children have turned out and what they value.

Really, I wouldn’t agree. Neither Donald Trump nor Hillary Clinton have fuck-up or failure children, so I think both have done acceptably on that score.

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Lidane  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:11:55pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

Really, I wouldn’t agree. Neither Donald Trump nor Hillary Clinton have fuck-up or failure children, so I think both have done acceptably on that score.

You don’t seriously think Trump’s children are well adjusted, do you?

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Maxwell Not So Smart  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:12:19pm
Lions

One of the many amazing photos I took of wild animals that had zero interest in me.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:12:52pm
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Maxwell Not So Smart  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:14:23pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

I would say from what I’ve seen of Trumps kids they are very much not normal. The acorn doesn’t fall far from the tree.

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Kragar  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:14:24pm

re: #72 Dave In Austin

Dude, I think she’s 12….. Potential #Trumpmodels

As often as RWNJs use stock photos in their profiles, I don’t even care

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:15:00pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

Really, I wouldn’t agree. Neither Donald Trump nor Hillary Clinton have fuck-up or failure children, so I think both have done acceptably on that score.

Given that Trump’s son happily RTs white supremacist accounts on Twitter, no I can’t say that. I don’t know about his daughters and youngest son but the older boys definitely have Daddy’s overinflated sense of self worth.

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Kragar  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:15:39pm

So, one of the guys I work with is named Bryan.

He’s going to hear this song many, many times in the days to come:

If We Were Gay - NSP

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:16:11pm

re: #79 FormerDirtDart

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Now compare that to when Duke ran as a Republican twenty five years ago and George H.W Bush’s response. Also note that the GOP didn’t have someone like Steve Scalise who bragged about being Duke without the baggage in their house leadership during that time either.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:18:03pm

He says he rebukes Duke’s support but I guarantee he’ll RT another white supremacist on Twitter before the day is done. Not to mention that the convention was filled with them. Trump’s made white supremacists feel as if they have a welcome home in the GOP.

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JasonA  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:18:50pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

Really, I wouldn’t agree. Neither Donald Trump nor Hillary Clinton have fuck-up or failure children, so I think both have done acceptably on that score.

Well they couldn’t even be bothered to register as Republicans in time to vote for daddy so surely that’s a blemish in your eyes, no?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:21:19pm

e j dionne

Accompanying all this has been an ersatz anti-elitism, with Republicans who champion tax cuts for the wealthy insisting that they are the authentic voices of the working class because they love guns, hate political correctness, and tout their affection for country music.

Trump outdid the party leadership on that front, too, and the absurd logic of this chicken-fried Marxism was reached on Tuesday night when the proletarian Donald Trump Jr. denounced “a special class of crony elites at the top of the heap.” The word “chutzpah” will be retired when this campaign ends.

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KingKenrod  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:22:02pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

He says he rebukes Duke’s support but I guarantee he’ll RT another white supremacist on Twitter before the day is done. Not to mention that the convention was filled with them. Trump’s made white supremacists feel as if they have a welcome home in the GOP.

It’s non-rebuke rebuke. It’s done in a superficial way, without any acknowledgement of what it is about David Duke that requires rebuking. And his followers know it’s not a rebuke, it’s just Trump playing the imagined “gotcha” game.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:22:41pm

re: #87 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

e j dionne

Accompanying all this has been an ersatz anti-elitism, with Republicans who champion tax cuts for the wealthy insisting that they are the authentic voices of the working class because they love guns, hate political correctness, and tout their affection for country music.

Trump outdid the party leadership on that front, too, and the absurd logic of this chicken-fried Marxism was reached on Tuesday night when the proletarian Donald Trump Jr. denounced “a special class of crony elites at the top of the heap.” The word “chutzpah” will be retired when this campaign ends.

Nice, I’ve been reading Dionne ever since I had a 8th grade civics project on the 2000 election.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:24:23pm

re: #88 KingKenrod

It’s non-rebuke rebuke. It’s done in a superficial way, without any acknowledgement of what it is about David Duke that requires rebuking. And his followers know it’s not a rebuke, it’s just Trump playing the imagined “gotcha” game.

“he has to say that”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:24:29pm

re: #88 KingKenrod

It’s non-rebuke rebuke. It’s done in a superficial way, without any acknowledgement of what it is about David Duke that requires rebuking. And his followers know it’s not a rebuke, it’s just Trump playing the imagined “gotcha” game.

Oh no doubt about it. Anyhow, I am glad Clinton talked about Kaine’s background as a civil rights lawyer today because it really highlights what kind of man Kaine is versus Trump who actually got sued for housing discrimination. I believe it was a case he did pro-bono too. In fact, I was shocked with how many pro-bono cases Kaine did as a young civil rights lawyer. Pretty admirable IMO since he I imagine had his share of student loans that needed to be paid off.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:25:06pm

re: #90 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

“he has to say that”

“He’s just doing it to shut up the Jew media.” or some crap like that. They see him as an ally and he’s happy to see them as allies too.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:28:15pm

From gocart mozart downstairs:

Quick question. Which one is Leopold and which one is Loeb?

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MsJ  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:28:15pm

re: #77 Lidane

You don’t seriously think Trump’s children are well adjusted, do you?

They’re just like us! Right?

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Dave In Austin  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:29:44pm

re: #81 Kragar

As often as RWNJs use stock photos in their profiles, I don’t even care

I hear ya. My niece’s photo of her shooting a .45 got hi-jacked into ammo-sexual porn.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:29:53pm

re: #93 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

From gocart mozart downstairs:

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Quick question. Which one is Leopold and which one is Loeb?

If their dads didn’t hate each other so much, I’d say it would be a good idea to advise a playdate with the Romney boys. And yes I think the Romney sons were cut from the same cloth. Recall the one son saying he wanted to punch Obama during the debate.

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Maxwell Not So Smart  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:36:13pm

re: #94 MsJ

They’re just like us! Right?

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As Stewart said the other day. Donald Jr called his father on Hanity a “Blue Collar Billionaire”. Stewart said “That isn’t a thing.”

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Kragar  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:50:31pm
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Dave In Austin  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:53:52pm

re: #94 MsJ

What’s the deal with those lips???

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Kragar  Jul 23, 2016 • 10:57:28pm
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MsJ  Jul 23, 2016 • 11:10:02pm

re: #99 Dave In Austin

What’s the deal with those lips???

It’s the thing to do, apparently. Duck face or duck lips or something.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 23, 2016 • 11:16:47pm

Interesting article on Huffpo about the Republican Fear Bubble.

huffingtonpost.com

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 23, 2016 • 11:18:13pm

So, a new Doctor Strange trailer dropped:

Doctor Strange Official Trailer 2

Looks good; so does the trailer for Wonder Woman. Maybe - just maybe - DC has finally got their game on (along with the upcoming Suicide Squad).

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 24, 2016 • 12:13:12am

So far, only the Daily Mail tabloid is reporting it, as it’s just rumor up to this point, but it looks like the International Olympic Committee (the IOC) is going to ban all Russian athletes from participating in the upcoming Rio Olympics.

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William Lewis  Jul 24, 2016 • 1:03:41am

That strange trailer looks good. I’m on my phone so I can’t post it but there’s a new Expanse season 2 teaser out too that is lots of fun.

And WW? First DC movie in a very long time that I actually want to see. Suicide Squad is interesting but WW is fascinating.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 24, 2016 • 1:07:58am

re: #105 William Lewis

That strange trailer looks good. I’m on my phone so I can’t post it but there’s a new Expanse season 2 teaser out too that is lots of fun.

And WW? First DC movie in a very long time that I actually want to see. Suicide Squad is interesting but WW is fascinating.

Yeah, Wonder Woman looks genuinely interesting, that’s for sure. Looks to be set around the time of WW1 or somewhere thereabouts. Sort of what like Marvel did with the first Captain America film.

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 2:04:11am

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 2:04:47am

re: #100 Kragar

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So, when it is premiering? In the not too distant future…?

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Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)  Jul 24, 2016 • 2:39:31am

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

Really, I wouldn’t agree. Neither Donald Trump nor Hillary Clinton have fuck-up or failure children, so I think both have done acceptably on that score.

You don’t think being a fan of white supremacists qualifies you as a “fuck-up”?

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 3:33:47am

MMmmm porridge.

‘Morning, all.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 3:50:33am

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

Well, it was also to prove his prowess. And he took care of the local village’s meat for a month with the meat from that elephant.

Other ways to feed a village than killing off elephants…but as to proving his prowess, no other alternative.

He has to kill off something that is bigger, more powerful and probably more intelligent and compassionate than he is…

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 3:54:27am

OK, I’m on the Kaine train.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 3:56:49am

Re: Assange’s ((()))-comments: don’t forget that the guy associates with the Russian/Swedish/Israeli neofascist/antisemite Israel Shamir.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 3:57:46am

re: #112 Nyet

OK, I’m on the Kaine train.

There are a lot of disaffected Republicans who dislike Hillary but are looking for some reason not to vote for Trump. If Kaine offers them a possibility, then he is a good choice.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 3:59:24am

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It seems that he will energize the ticket after all, so it’s all good.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:08:39am

A pissing match between the Holocaust denial gurus: Faurisson v. Berg.

Dear Fredrick,
I see you are wondering why Fritz Berg behaves towards me as he does.
My answer is that I myself would like to know his reasons with certainty.
Gene Brugger used to say that Fritz Berg got angry with me when he realized that, although he was an engineer, he had never grasped as well as I that, in order to demolish the Big Red Lie of the Holocaust, one of the best ways to proceed was with a “nuts and bolts revisionism”. I for one was working like a member of what in France we call “the technical police” and “the scientific police”, or like a forensic examiner. I wanted the accusers of NS Germany not to show me any more testimonies or any other blabla until they’d shown me “the scene of the crime” and “the crime weapon”.
Remember: “Show me or draw me a Nazi gas chamber”. And I was lucky enough to find, on March 19, 1976, the plans - which had been kept hidden by our Eastern liars - of the five crematoria at Auschwitz and Birkenau. As Germar Rudolf would say years and years afterwards, that’s the way “Faurisson pul[led] the trigger”.
Faurisson, the specialist of Greek and Latin and modern French literature, along with “Appraisal of Texts and Documents (Literature, History, Media)”. Not Berg, the engineer.
And something else. I think it was in 1993. I was observing the inauguration of the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington. I was outside admiring the splendid horses of the police when a journalist asked me whether I was Faurisson, and if he could ask me some questions. I agreed. There I was answering his questions when I felt someone approaching from behind. Suddenly I received a rather violent push and nearly fell down to my left. Fritz Berg was the pusher! And - mind you - I heard him saying to the journalist something like: “This guy has had his time with you. I am the one you have to ask your questions”.
I was so shocked and I felt so ashamed all at the same time of Fritz Berg, the journalist and myself that I slowly withdrew and went back to look at the horses.
I suppose I have never mentioned that incident in writing.
I must say that, if the man is so angry with me it might also be, at least partly, because, right at the beginning when I first met him, I also met his mother. I guarantee you that she looked a perfect “Yiddische Momme”. He himself looks like a Jew. When I’d told him I was of Scottish descent by my mother I could not help asking him whether his mother and himself were not of Jewish descent. Perhaps I even asked what her maiden name was. You must understand that in France in those days there were quite a few Jews on the revisionist side.
I do not remember his reaction exactly but he did not appreciate the question(s) that probably a good many people had already put to him.

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:16:27am

So, I tune into the Bros and fence-sitters who have insisted for weeks that they were never going to vote for Hillary no matter what…and find that they’re still not going to vote for her, but now think the DNC “leak” means Bernie should go full Cruz on her during the convention or else be viewed as having betrayed the “revolution.”

This, folks, is how you totally destroy whatever little shred all the progress that “progressives” made this year. If Bernie does pull something during the convention, it’s not going to convince the DNC that they were wrong not to love him, it’s going to convince them that letting him run at all was a mistake.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:16:37am

Warren would have been an OK choice but let’s be realistic: after the Cherokee faux pas - which was not her fault of course - we would hear no end of that. And that’s not what anyone needs. Kaine’s “boring” bio is a plus in this sense.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:18:01am

re: #117 Targetpractice

In different times I would have been outraged about the lack of decorum behind the scenes. Now is not the time… What happened, happened. Moving on.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:21:33am

Good decision. DWS made herself controversial. We don’t need controversy. Stay away.

The head of the Democratic National Committee will not speak at the party’s convention next week, a decision reached by party officials Saturday after emails surfaced that raised questions about the committee’s impartiality during the Democratic primary.

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Brian J.  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:21:58am

re: #117 Targetpractice

So, I tune into the Bros and fence-sitters who have insisted for weeks that they were never going to vote for Hillary no matter what…and find that they’re still not going to vote for her, but now think the DNC “leak” means Bernie should go full Cruz on her during the convention or else be viewed as having betrayed the “revolution.”

This, folks, is how you totally destroy whatever little shred all the progress that “progressives” made this year. If Bernie does pull something during the convention, it’s not going to convince the DNC that they were wrong not to love him, it’s going to convince them that letting him run at all was a mistake.

It was a mistake. It was a mistake to try to accommodate the left at all, since they want to lose the election so they can snark and sneer without consequence.

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:24:08am

re: #119 Nyet

In different times I would have been outraged about the lack of decorum behind the scenes. Now is not the time… What happened, happened. Moving on.

I can’t find myself outraged because the Sanders camp had been attacking the DNC for months, had filed a frivolous lawsuit against the party, and (as we learned later) was actively working to undermine the party in those states where he lost. Plus it was May of this year, weeks after NY and the reality that Bernie had no realistic path to the nomination. Political parties are not bound by some unwritten rule of neutrality, they’re in it to win it. Time that was spent entertaining the idea that Bernie could still win was time that could have gone to chopping out the knees from under Trump.

So yeah, tl;dr, the party had every right to be pissed and the tone taken in the emails is totally justified.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:25:52am

re: #122 Targetpractice

They shouldn’t have outwardly pretended to be neutral while writing this behind the scenes. They should have been open about it. But it’s all in the past now, now is the time for unity and defeating the proto-fascist.

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:28:40am

re: #123 Nyet

They shouldn’t have outwardly pretended to be neutral while writing this behind the scenes. They should have been open about it. But it’s all in the past now, now is the time for unity and defeating the proto-fascist.

We had the ongoing spectacle of the GOP publicly working to undermine Trump, which did the party no favors at all. Did we really need months of “DEMS IN DISARRAY!” headlines because the DNC decided to say out loud that it wanted Bernie gone?

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:31:38am

re: #124 Targetpractice

No. But you take one line and you stick to it without pretending to be something you aren’t. Be non-neutral openly or try to be neutral behind the closed doors. If not because of the sense of decency, then at least because your emails may always be leaked.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:33:14am

re: #125 Nyet

In the end this behind-the-scenes bickering caused unnecessary controversy at a time when we don’t need any. So it was wrong if only because of this. Seeing this practically here.

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:36:56am

re: #126 Nyet

In the end this behind-the-scenes bickering caused unnecessary controversy at a time when we don’t need any. So it was wrong if only because of this. Seeing this practically here.

No offense, but now we’re delving into the realm of self-censorship, living your life under the constant paranoia that somebody somewhere will read what you really think and respond negatively to it.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:40:21am

Just watched the Marseillaise scene from Casablanca. Was impressed by the actress’s ability to cry on-cue, so looked her up. It might not have been acting.

en.wikipedia.org

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:40:29am

re: #127 Targetpractice

No offense, but now we’re delving into the realm of self-censorship, living your life under the constant paranoia that somebody somewhere will read what you really think and respond negatively to it.

Yes, that’s exactly how officials should be. It doesn’t matter in the least if a political party is a “private” entity or not. In their capacity as officials they no longer belong only to themselves. That’s just good practical policy. If you and I exchange emails it’s a whole lot different from when DNC higher-ups do.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:41:24am

re: #118 Nyet

Warren would have been an OK choice but let’s be realistic: after the Cherokee faux pas - which was not her fault of course - we would hear no end of that. And that’s not what anyone needs. Kaine’s “boring” bio is a plus in this sense.

Two women on the same ticket? Unheard of!!! When has there ever been a ticket where both candidates were of the same gender?!?

/

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:42:21am

re: #129 Nyet

Yes, that’s exactly how officials should be. It doesn’t matter in the least if a political party is a “private” entity or not. In their capacity as officials they no longer belong only to themselves. That’s just good practical policy. If you and I exchange emails it’s a whole lot different from when DNC higher-ups do.

So the higher-ups must abide by some unwritten code of conduct, policing themselves under the assumption that somebody will hack their emails and spread such to the public in an effort to undermine the party? That way lies madness.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:43:12am

re: #131 Targetpractice

So the higher-ups must abide by some unwritten code of conduct, policing themselves under the assumption that somebody will hack their emails and spread such to the public in an effort to undermine the party? That way lies madness.

No, that’s just common sense.

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:44:39am

re: #132 Nyet

No, that’s just common sense.

So is this a policy that every member of the party should abide by? Constantly watch what you say, because the Russians will hack our servers and then we’ll look like assholes?

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:45:39am

re: #131 Targetpractice

So the higher-ups must abide by some unwritten code of conduct, policing themselves under the assumption that somebody will hack their emails and spread such to the public in an effort to undermine the party? That way lies madness.

That way lies OPSEC. The world could use a lot more self-censorship.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:49:20am

re: #133 Targetpractice

So is this a policy that every member of the party should abide by? Constantly watch what you say, because the Russians will hack our servers and then we’ll look like assholes?

If you accept the role of major party official, your thoughts and actions carry tremendous consequences for millions of real people. The DNC isn’t marketing a new soft drink, here.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:49:51am

re: #133 Targetpractice

So is this a policy that every member of the party should abide by? Constantly watch what you say, because the Russians will hack our servers and then we’ll look like assholes?

The members in places that matter should be smart enough to understand what they are doing and what consequences it might have. Official policy isn’t really necessary in such a case.

Hopefully the DNC will learn from the debacle.

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dangerman  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:51:10am

couple of weeks ago septic backed up. what an enjoyable day i had!

happened again last night at 12:30. looking forward to another day of excitement!

ah, the dangerous things i get to do

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:52:11am

re: #136 Nyet

The members in places that matter should be smart enough to understand what they are doing and what consequences it might have. Official policy isn’t really necessary in such a case.

Hopefully the DNC will learn from the debacle.

Right, perhaps they need officers to monitor all communications (electronic, documentary, and verbal) to ensure party doctrine is being adhered to and no opinions that might be detrimental to the party are being expressed. We can even give them jaunty little uniforms and special job titles.

/////

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:52:45am

re: #137 dangerman

couple of weeks ago septic backed up. what an enjoyable day i had!

happened again last night at 12:30. looking forward to another day of excitement!

ah, the dangerous things i get to do

And I think it’s gonna be a long long time…

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:53:16am

re: #138 Targetpractice

Right, perhaps they need officers to monitor all communications (electronic, documentary, and verbal) to ensure party doctrine is being adhered to and no opinions that might be detrimental to the party are being expressed. We can even give them jaunty little uniforms and special job titles.

/////

Or re-read my second sentence.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:54:24am

re: #138 Targetpractice

Right, perhaps they need officers to monitor all communications (electronic, documentary, and verbal) to ensure party doctrine is being adhered to and no opinions that might be detrimental to the party are being expressed. We can even give them jaunty little uniforms and special job titles.

/////

That’s the structure I worked under as a very minor Army civilian. Shit has consequences.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:54:54am

The objective end result: embarrassment for the DNC, possible protests, DWS disinvited. All of which was not necessary and was easily avoidable with a modicum of common sense. I don’t see what the point in disputing this is.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:57:43am

It’s like, if you have any sense, you don’t send dick photos to non-consenting women, especially if you’re a state-level politician on the eve of an election. That’s common sense. Saying this doesn’t amount to introducing sexual police.

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:58:28am

re: #142 Nyet

The objective end result: embarrassment for the DNC, possible protests, DWS disinvited. All of which was not necessary and was easily avoidable with a modicum of common sense. I don’t see what the point in disputing this is.

I’m not really sure we want to see how far we can push this “common sense.” Should party members carry it with them everywhere, including their daily lives?

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 4:59:58am

re: #143 Nyet

It’s like, if you have any sense, you don’t send dick photos to non-consenting women, especially if you’re a state-level politician on the eve of an election. That’s common sense. Saying this doesn’t amount to introducing sexual police.

But we’re not talking that, we’re talking members of the party having discussions in what they believed to be a private setting. Is there no longer an expectation of privacy? Live your life as if everything you say will become public knowledge?

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:00:25am

re: #144 Targetpractice

I’m not really sure we want to see how far we can push this “common sense.” Should party members carry it with them everywhere, including their daily lives?

I don’t know what your point is anymore, sorry. The end result can be observed by everybody now, period.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:00:43am

re: #145 Targetpractice

There is no “private setting”.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:01:53am

re: #145 Targetpractice

But we’re not talking that, we’re talking members of the party having discussions in what they believed to be a private setting. Is there no longer an expectation of privacy? Live your life as if everything you say will become public knowledge?

Anyone with any serious responsibility had better learn one fucking thing: THERE IS NO PRIVACY. There wasn’t in the days of sealing wax, and there certainly isn’t now.

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:02:01am

re: #121 Brian J.

It was a mistake. It was a mistake to try to accommodate the left at all, since they want to lose the election so they can snark and sneer without consequence.

You know, a lot of us here are The Left, and Dems are The Left, so you might want to narrow that statement a little more. I am quite left but was never a Bernie supporter.

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dangerman  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:02:13am

re: #136 Nyet

The members in places that matter should be smart enough to understand what they are doing and what consequences it might have. Official policy isn’t really necessary in such a case……

some stuff (thoughts) you just don’t write down.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:02:18am

One politician who thought sending his weiner pics was private will no longer be elected anywhere. That’s life, one may not like it but it is what it is.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:03:14am

re: #149 MsJ

You know, a lot of us here are The Left, and Dems are The Left, so you might want to narrow that statement a little more. I am quite left but was never a Bernie supporter.

I’m certainly not a centrist, so yeah, I’m on the left too and I’m not comfortable with the stupid labeling.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:04:17am

re: #151 Nyet

One politician who thought sending his weiner pics was private will no longer be elected anywhere. That’s life, one may not like it but it is what it is.

And I’d like to kick him in the nuts for it, he was a minor standard-bearer and he gave great joy to some very bad people.

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:05:14am

re: #148 Decatur Deb

Anyone with any serious responsibility had better learn one fucking thing: THERE IS NO PRIVACY. There wasn’t in the days of sealing wax, and there certainly isn’t now.

So again, we’re back the idea of political officers running around, enforcing the party line. Or firing people for having unsavory opinions.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:06:04am

re: #152 Nyet

I’m certainly not a centrist, so yeah, I’m on the left too and I’m not comfortable with the stupid labeling.

I’m so old I can remember when the beloved middle class was the enemy of the Left.

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:07:20am

re: #136 Nyet

The members in places that matter should be smart enough to understand what they are doing and what consequences it might have. Official policy isn’t really necessary in such a case.

Hopefully the DNC will learn from the debacle.

I hope the biggest takeaway is to not allow someone who is not a democrat run as one.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:08:10am

re: #154 Targetpractice

So again, we’re back the idea of political officers running around, enforcing the party line. Or firing people for having unsavory opinions.

If you want to express damaging opinions, fine. Don’t represent the movement.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:08:14am

re: #156 MsJ

They should do whatever they want, just be honest.

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:09:33am

re: #157 Decatur Deb

If you want to express damaging opinions, fine. Don’t represent the movement.

So if you can’t adhere to a faux neutrality and maintain such even in official communications, then quit so that the party is not negatively affected by being associated with you?

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:09:36am

Cover up, crime, all that.

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:12:19am

re: #160 Nyet

Cover up, crime, all that.

I’m feeling a bit wingnutty here, because the only “crime” I see at this point appears to be thought crime.

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:12:22am

re: #145 Targetpractice

Is there no longer an expectation of privacy? Live your life as if everything you say will become public knowledge?

Yes. There is no guaranteed expectation of privacy in electronic communications.

This is exactly how I live my life. If I wouldn’t say it to someone’s face, it doesn’t go in an email. Ever.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:12:28am

re: #159 Targetpractice

So if you can’t adhere to a faux neutrality and maintain such even in official communications, then quit so that the party is not negatively affected by being associated with you?

Don’t be faux. That’s a dictum we try teach toddlers.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:13:08am

re: #161 Targetpractice

I’m feeling a bit wingnutty here, because the only “crime” I see at this point appears to be thought crime.

I won’t be arguing for the sake of arguing. I stated my position, I don’t get yours, and let’s leave it at that.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:13:59am

re: #161 Targetpractice

I’m feeling a bit wingnutty here, because the only “crime” I see at this point appears to be thought crime.

It stops being thought when you press the keys.

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:15:11am

re: #154 Targetpractice

So again, we’re back the idea of political officers running around, enforcing the party line. Or firing people for having unsavory opinions.

Unsavory opinions which have been “written down”.

You can have all the opinions you want…orally.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:15:51am

re: #166 MsJ

NSA! ///

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:16:01am

re: #166 MsJ

Unsavory opinions which have been “written down”.

You can have all the opinions you want…orally.

We can’t even really have that, because who knows if a Russian is running around with a tape recorder in his pocket?

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:18:01am

re: #168 Targetpractice

We can’t even really have that, because who knows if a Russian is running around with a tape recorder in his pocket?

Now you’re getting warm. The DNC was relying on Security Through Obscurity, and they aren’t obscure.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:19:52am

re: #166 MsJ

Unsavory opinions which have been “written down”.

You can have all the opinions you want…orally.

Just like asking for written confirmation of orders so that the officer giving them cannot deny them.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:20:10am

Safety rules are written in blood.
If communications safety rules were written down, they would be written in the sweat of embarrassment. //

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:20:28am

re: #163 Decatur Deb

Don’t be faux. That’s a dictum we try teach toddlers.

Well the party did everything it could to maintain neutrality. It not only allowed Sanders to run, it did so in a primary season that is actually geared to help outsiders do better than they would normally. He even received benefits from the party that helped him run his campaign.

Good lord, this is how we lose elections, spending days second-guessing ourselves because we worry what the neighbors will think. Either we totally devote ourselves to neutrality no matter how badly Sanders shellacs the party or else we dump our dirty laundry on the front lawn for everybody to get a whiff.

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fern01  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:20:42am

re: #164 Nyet

I won’t be arguing for the sake of arguing. I stated my position, I don’t get yours, and let’s leave it at that.

No idea why you have then replied more times than I can count about the same issue. Biggest problem of the dems - attacking themselves and never letting go. NOTHING they have done ever compares in a negative light compared to the GOP - yet some people have to go on and on and on - sounds like arguing for the sake of it to me.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:21:22am

re: #171 Nyet

Safety rules are written in blood.
If communications safety rules were written down, they would be written in the sweat of embarrassment. //

And other people’s blood.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:22:48am

re: #173 fern01

No idea why you have then replied more times than I can count about the same issue.

Because we were having a conversation. Up to the point when it became completely absurd. Duh?

Bigest problem of the dems - attacking themselves and never letting go. NOTHING they have done ever compares in a negative light compared to the GOP - yet some people have to go on and on and on - sounds like arguing for the sake of it to me.

Self-introspection saves future damage, but be free not to learn from others’ or own mistakes.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:23:31am

re: #172 Targetpractice

Well the party did everything it could to maintain neutrality. It not only allowed Sanders to run, it did so in a primary season that is actually geared to help outsiders do better than they would normally. He even received benefits from the party that helped him run his campaign.

Good lord, this is how we lose elections, spending days second-guessing ourselves because we worry what the neighbors will think. Either we totally devote ourselves to neutrality no matter how badly Sanders shellacs the party or else we dump our dirty laundry on the front lawn for everybody to get a whiff.

Not suggesting a firing squad, but anyone dicking around with Nixonian dirty tricks should have been slapped upside the head when they opened their mouths. That’s leadership.

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:26:12am

re: #172 Targetpractice

Either we totally devote ourselves to neutrality no matter how badly Sanders shellacs the party or else we dump our dirty laundry on the front lawn for everybody to get a whiff.

You just made a peanut butter and sock sandwich. Those two things are not sole or even necessarily related items.

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:26:13am

re: #176 Decatur Deb

Not suggesting a firing squad, but anyone dicking around with Nixonian dirty tricks should have been slapped upside the head when they opened their mouths. That’s leadership.

What dirty tricks are we really talking here? So far, all I’ve heard is DNC party members had some choice words about Sanders. Oh, and somebody said they had a friend working in the Sanders campaign, something totally unheard of in the annals of political campaigns. I’m not aware of anybody suggesting that the party break into Sanders campaign HQ and the party bosses going along with it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:27:35am

A lot of people still do not understand that the party primary system is not a democratic, representative election. It is part of the party’s candidate selection process, or a sort of marketing survey to see how well their candidates fare with the voting public.

But parties are private organizations and in the end can make up or even change their rules as they see fit.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:29:24am

re: #179 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Certainly. They can even make a rule that their candidates must campaign naked. Not how one wins an election, but yeah, they can do it.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:30:16am

re: #178 Targetpractice

What dirty tricks are we really talking here? So far, all I’ve heard is DNC party members had some choice words about Sanders. Oh, and somebody said they had a friend working in the Sanders campaign, something totally unheard of in the annals of political campaigns. I’m not aware of anybody suggesting that the party break into Sanders campaign HQ and the party bosses going along with it.

I haven’t read the tweets, obviously. They are being presented as the DNC treating Sanders as a neutral while staffers were exploring ways to submarine him.

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freetoken  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:33:32am

As everyone observed:

[…]

CHUCK TODD:

Let me tell you, you bring up Thursday night. I’ve got to ask you about your entrance. Before we get to Thursday, that Monday night entrance was something else. I know you’ve gotten a lot of feedback on it.

DONALD TRUMP:

I think I’m a little bit lucky, and a couple of people had that idea, and I went along with the idea. And everything just worked right. And it was so good that they wanted to do it on Thursday night. I said, “Never in a million years, because you’ll never get it that way again.”

CHUCK TODD:

I don’t think I’ve seen that even on WWE.

DONALD TRUMP:

Yeah, I know. Well, Vincent’s a good friend of mine. He called me. He said, “That was a very, very good entrance.” But I didn’t want to do it a second time, because, you know, it never works out the second time.

[…]

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:35:00am

re: #182 Decatur Deb

I haven’t read the tweets, obviously. They are being presented as the DNC treating Sanders as a neutral while staffers were exploring ways to submarine him.

Then I really recommend reading dangerman’s link, because that’s pretty explanatory about how much of a nontroversy this is to everybody outside of Bros and the media’s need for some form of blood sport at the DNC to maintain the “horse race” narrative. These emails were sent in April and May, most after NY had voted and pretty much ended any serious path for Sanders to the nomination. By that point, the party didn’t need to torpedo his campaign because it was already on its way to Davey Jones.

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dangerman  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:40:20am

just sitting here being dangerous waiting for the plumber…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:40:46am

The problem is the Bros want to portray Bernie and the campaign as totally innocent. Saw a particularly stupid meme suggesting that Bernie ran one of the most clean campaigns ever and this is how he was treated. Honestly, I think it was generous of the DNC to allow him to run in teh first place given he’s been a Democrat for so brief a period of time and I think that no doubt definitely inspired a lot of the animus against him as well as his stubborness post New York when it was apparent to everyone who wasn’t drinking Sanders kool-aid that he had lost but the campaign wouldn’t transition.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:40:46am

goplifer.com

With three decades invested in the Republican Party, there is a powerful temptation to shrug and soldier on. Despite the bold rhetoric, we all know Trump will lose. Why throw away a great personal investment over one bad nominee? Trump is not merely a poor candidate, but an indictment of our character. Preserving a party is not a morally defensible goal if that party has lost its legitimacy.

Watching Ronald Reagan as a boy, I recall how bold it was for him to declare ‘morning again’ in America. In a country menaced by Communism and burdened by a struggling economy, the audacity of Reagan’s optimism inspired a generation.

Fast-forward to our present leadership and the nature of our dilemma is clear. I watched Paul Ryan speak at Donald Trump’s convention the way a young child watches his father march off to prison. Thousands of Republican figures that loathe Donald Trump, understand the danger he represents, and privately hope he loses, are publicly declaring their support for him. In Illinois our local and state GOP organizations, faced with a choice, have decided on complicity.

Our leaders’ compromise preserves their personal capital at our collective cost. Their refusal to dissent robs all Republicans of moral cover. Evasion and cowardice has prevailed over conscience. We are now, and shall indefinitely remain, the Party of Donald Trump.

I will not contribute my name, my work, or my character to an utterly indefensible cause. No sensible adult demands moral purity from a political party, but conscience is meaningless without constraints. A party willing to lend its collective capital to Donald Trump has entered a compromise beyond any credible threshold of legitimacy. There is no redemption in being one of the “good Nazis.”

I hereby resign my position as a York Township Republican committeeman. My thirty-year tenure as a Republican is over.

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:40:52am

re: #178 Targetpractice

re: #179 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is a big NO BIG DEAL except now the right is ratfucking how Bernie was cheated and some on the left believe it.

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SteelPH  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:40:58am
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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:41:32am

re: #184 Targetpractice

Then I really recommend reading dangerman’s link, because that’s pretty explanatory about how much of a nontroversy this is to everybody outside of Bros and the media’s need for some form of blood sport at the DNC to maintain the “horse race” narrative. These emails were sent in April and May, most after NY had voted and pretty much ended any serious path for Sanders to the nomination. By that point, the party didn’t need to torpedo his campaign because it was already on its way to Davey Jones.

It’s keeping open a small crack in a party that should be healing by now. That’s happening to the benefit of professionals with wedges. This election is going to be much closer than it ought to be, and a lot of people like nines09 are going to bear the cost.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:43:05am

Let’s also not act as if just because people are supposed to be impartial, that they really are. While Bernie Sanders registered as a Democrat, he wasn’t one until just this past year. Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton has been a loyal member to the party for decades, and wasn’t spending a large part of her time campaigning vilifying it to galvanize support. Clearly there were people who’ve worked with the party most of their lives who weren’t exactly thrilled that they had a Democratic candidate (sometimes unfairly) painting them as “the enemy” as part of his campaign’s strategy.

Exactly this. I said it the other day but the Sanders campaign treated the DNC like the enemy, they shouldn’t be shocked that animosity was returned.

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:44:04am

re: #187 Nyet

I appreciate what that guy did, but seriously, at what point were we menaced by communism?

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:44:30am

re: #186 HappyWarrior

Any politician worth his salt understands that politics is as much about appearances as about the actual stuff. And any politician (or party) wanting to survive and win will act accordingly. One can complain about this, but it would be like Xerxes trying to whip the Hellespont.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:45:10am

re: #189 SteelPH

Oh, you liked it ;)

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:45:32am

re: #186 HappyWarrior

The problem is the Bros want to portray Bernie and the campaign as totally innocent. Saw a particularly stupid meme suggesting that Bernie ran one of the most clean campaigns ever and this is how he was treated. Honestly, I think it was generous of the DNC to allow him to run in teh first place given he’s been a Democrat for so brief a period of time and I think that no doubt definitely inspired a lot of the animus against him as well as his stubborness post New York when it was apparent to everyone who wasn’t drinking Sanders kool-aid that he had lost but the campaign wouldn’t transition.

Bernie turned out to be less than advertised. Unless he does a very effective turn-around (and I don’t think he can) there will be noticeable damage.

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SteelPH  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:46:43am

re: #194 Nyet

Oh, you liked it ;)

Pardon?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:47:36am

re: #193 Nyet

Any politician worth his salt understands that politics is as much about appearances as about the actual stuff. And any politician (or party) wanting to survive and win will act accordingly. One can complain about this, but it would be like Xerxes trying to whip the Hellespont.

Oh, I don’t disagree there. I just think it was human nature that the DNC eventually did push back against Sanders campaign constantly attacking it. It is what it is. I just don’t have a lot of sympathy for the Sanders campaign given they were far from innocent in all this.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:47:47am

re: #196 SteelPH

Been posting Ghost for some time, glad there are others that like it :)

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dangerman  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:47:55am
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SteelPH  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:48:19am

re: #198 Nyet

Been posting Ghost for some time, glad there are others that like it :)

Oh, yes indeed.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:48:25am

re: #197 HappyWarrior

Well, for me the Bernie campaign isn’t even a part of the conversation.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:50:51am

re: #201 Nyet

Well, for me the Bernie campaign isn’t even a part of the conversation.

True enough, I am just saying I can see the human side of why lifelong Democrats who have spent years and in the case of HRC decades working in the party being upset at some guy who’s never bothered to join them and more less never really had a desire to join them attacking them as not really being Democrats. I agree 100% that they should have handled it better but at the same time, I agree with the writer of the article that we can’t ignore we’re dealing with people.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:51:45am

re: #192 MsJ

I appreciate what that guy did, but seriously, at what point were we menaced by communism?

Able Archer ‘83, if you will conflate the Soviet Union and communism.

A 1996 CIA report on the 1983 war scare concluded that the Soviets genuinely feared a pre-emptive nuclear strike from the United States. General Secretary Yuri Andropov “repeatedly compared” Reagan to Hitler, the architect of a devastating surprise attack on the Soviet Union that it barely survived, and told his Politburo colleagues that he was “fanning the flames of war,” an image, the report’s author notes dryly, “more sinister than Andropov as a Red Darth Vader.”

militaryhistorynow.com

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A Mom Anon  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:54:51am

re: #188 MsJ

Maybe it’s just me, but the more disturbing thing here is that a Russian hacker and the wikileaks asshole released all this to fuck with an election. In favor of Trump. So now this shit has to be dealt with instead of actual important shit. That is the bigger issue here. Along with Trump’s business with the Russians, this looks a lot like industrial strength ratfucking.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:54:55am

re: #203 Decatur Deb

Plus the whole Cuban missile crisis.

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lawhawk  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:58:58am

Greets and saluts from the sweltering NYC metro area. Looks like the heat’s gotten to Trump since he’s starting his baffling BS early this morning.

Whether it’s the spelling/grammar errors in a tweet trying to swipe Bernie voters, or just flat out BS on the democratic primary outcomes, Trump’s just grasping at straws and shit-stirring.

This is the campaign of an undisciplined despot. Trump doesn’t know or care about facts. His supporters don’t know or care, and now he’s got the GOP support, which has further enabled the white supremacists and bigots to come out of the shadows.

The media is still not calling them on this.

But of course, the media is focused on the DNC leaks which shows what precisely? That some in the DNC thought the Sanders campaign was BS? That they were frustrated with Sanders and his nonsense about the DNC?

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fern01  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:59:16am

re: #204 A Mom Anon

Maybe it’s just me, but the more disturbing thing here is that a Russian hacker and the wikileaks asshole released all this to fuck with an election. In favor of Trump. So now this shit has to be dealt with instead of actual important shit. That is the bigger issue here. Along with Trump’s business with the Russians, this looks a lot like industrial strength ratfucking.

Not just you.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:59:23am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:59:50am

Unlike ISIS, the Soviet nuclear arsenal was an “existential threat” to the USA and nuclear war was a threat to humanity in general.

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Teukka  Jul 24, 2016 • 5:59:56am

re: #204 A Mom Anon

Maybe it’s just me, but the more disturbing thing here is that a Russian hacker and the wikileaks asshole released all this to fuck with an election. In favor of Trump. So now this shit has to be dealt with instead of actual important shit. That is the bigger issue here. Along with Trump’s business with the Russians, this looks a lot like industrial strength ratfucking.

Not just you ma’am…

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:00:48am

re: #210 Teukka

Have you seen Marshall’s piece on Trump’s Russian money?

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:00:48am

re: #205 Nyet

Plus the whole Cuban missile crisis.

Heh. During the crisis I was in a school that did not permit radios, TV, or secular press. One of our students from Dominica had smuggled in a shortwave to allay homesickness. Thus our only news for that week was his translations of Radio Havana.

Thought we were all toast.

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Teukka  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:01:47am

re: #211 Nyet

Have you seen Marshall’s piece on Trump’s Russian money?

Yes.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:02:31am

re: #213 Teukka

Basically what we’ve been suspecting all along. Trump as a part of the Putin International.

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:02:36am

re: #188 MsJ

This is a big NO BIG DEAL except now the right is ratfucking how Bernie was cheated and some on the left believe it.

“Some on the left” think that Hillary and DWS sat in a dark office and worked together to plan all this out a year ago, then signed a pact in blood that Bernie would never get close to the nomination. I’m not really sure that these emails will do a lot besides convince those folks that their cause is righteous.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:02:36am

re: #206 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the sweltering NYC metro area. Looks like the heat’s gotten to Trump since he’s starting his baffling BS early this morning.

Whether it’s the spelling/grammar errors in a tweet trying to swipe Bernie voters, or just flat out BS on the democratic primary outcomes, Trump’s just grasping at straws and shit-stirring.

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This is the campaign of an undisciplined despot. Trump doesn’t know or care about facts. His supporters don’t know or care, and now he’s got the GOP support, which has further enabled the white supremacists and bigots to come out of the shadows.

The media is still not calling them on this.

But of course, the media is focused on the DNC leaks which shows what precisely? That some in the DNC thought the Sanders campaign was BS? That they were frustrated with Sanders and his nonsense about the DNC?

If the Democrats had the Republican rules, Clinton would have clinched even earlier. In the end, Bernie lost because he didn’t know how to create a diverse coalition. Look at how Obama won in 2008 and look at what Bernie had this year and you’ll see exactly what I mean.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:02:48am

re: #212 Decatur Deb

Heh. During the crisis I was in a school that did not permit radios, TV, or secular press. One of our students from Dominica had smuggled in a shortwave to allay homesickness. Thus our only news for that week was his translations of Radio Havana.

Thought we were all toast.

I was too young to recall the crisis as such, but I remember that there were people building bomb shelters in their backyards, and that I wanted one, as it would have been a bitchin’ secret underground fort-

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sagehen  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:03:00am

re: #78 Maxwell Not So Smart

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One of the many amazing photos I took of wild animals that had zero interest in me.

awwwww!!

They look so in love.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:04:58am

re: #215 Targetpractice

“Some on the left” think that Hillary and DWS sat in a dark office and worked together to plan all this out a year ago, then signed a pact in blood that Bernie would never get close to the nomination. I’m not really sure that these emails will do a lot besides convince those folks that their cause is righteous.

If they really wanted to rig it for her then it wouldn’t have taken them to the eve of California in June for her to clinch. There’s just so much bitterness in the Berner camp because they did DO better than most people expected but ultimately did not win. A more reasonable bunch would be proud of the job they did do and look at the platform. I’m sorry but a seventy five year old newly became Democrat from an over 95% white state was never going to be the standard bearer for the Democratic Party.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:06:20am

re: #217 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I was too young to recall the crisis as such, but I remember that there were people building bomb shelters in their backyards, and that I wanted one, as it would have been a bitchin’ secret underground fort-

An important Jesuit magazine (which we were allowed) carried an article asking if it was morally permissible to shoot your neighbor’s family if they tried to rush your fallout shelter.

Jesuit answer: Yes.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:06:49am

re: #204 A Mom Anon

Maybe it’s just me, but the more disturbing thing here is that a Russian hacker and the wikileaks asshole released all this to fuck with an election. In favor of Trump. So now this shit has to be dealt with instead of actual important shit. That is the bigger issue here. Along with Trump’s business with the Russians, this looks a lot like industrial strength ratfucking.

That’s what I’m trying to tell the few Bernie or bust friends who got refired up by this. It doesn’t help. They are pissed all over again. I just hope the emails aren’t doled out in drips and drops over the next few months.

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Teukka  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:08:34am

Re: the DNC email leaks…
How many of the alleged emails have the “Received:” and “Message-ID:” headers intact?
The former field traces the route the email took from start to finish, and can be used to determine the authenticity of the emails. If it is missing, either the leaker does not want to show where he intercepted the emails, or that he has added bogus emails.
The latter is unique for each email, and usually unique for each piece of software which generates it, so can be used as another tool to determine authenticity. If it is missing, someone has added bogus emails.

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dangerman  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:08:47am

re: #216 HappyWarrior

If the Democrats had the Republican rules, Clinton would have clinched even earlier. In the end, Bernie lost because he didn’t know how to create a diverse coalition. Look at how Obama won in 2008 and look at what Bernie had this year and you’ll see exactly what I mean.

elections are headcount. not passion.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:08:51am

re: #220 Decatur Deb

The Mormons would have helped you build it.
Just saying.

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:09:08am

Beyond the standard “looks bad” aspect to this story, there’s nothing really to it and the second-guessing isn’t really going to get us very far. One shit heel deserves to be fired immediately and DWS dropping out of the convention speaking circuit is no great loss. Aside from those, we’re left where we’ve found ourselves so many times in the past: Scrambling to please people who will never be pleased.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:10:03am

re: #224 Emptor scriptor Remorse

The Mormons would have helped you build it.
Just saying.

Amish would have finished it for you in a day.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:10:40am

re: #221 Barefoot Grin

That’s what I’m trying to tell the few Bernie or bust friends who got refired up by this. It doesn’t help. They are pissed all over again. I just hope the emails aren’t doled out in drips and drops over the next few months.

Apparently they will be.
Thankfully, the DNC seems to have recognized the gravity of the situation and already disinvited DWS, which is quite a step. They understand that appearances matter.

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lawhawk  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:10:42am

re: #216 HappyWarrior

There were no set of rules or options that would have given Bernie the win.

Every measure, from all caucus to all winner take all would not have changed fact that Hillary got millions more votes than Bernie did. And got more votes in the states with higher numbers of delegates (win where the delegates are).

Trump doesn’t care about any of this. He’s just shit stirring because he thinks this will create conflict at the convention.

He’s piggybacking on hopes that the leaks will create dissent and conflict on the floor.

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dangerman  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:11:16am

re: #225 Targetpractice

Beyond the standard “looks bad” aspect to this story, there’s nothing really to it and the second-guessing isn’t really going to get us very far. One shit heel deserves to be fired immediately and DWS dropping out of the convention speaking circuit is no great loss. Aside from those, we’re left where we’ve found ourselves so many times in the past: Scrambling to please people who will never be pleased.

i have long since felt / sensed that it’s easier to register 5 or even 10 new democrats in less time and with less aggravation than to “convert” a hardliner (from either side)

i have no proof for this

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:12:05am

re: #229 dangerman

i have long since felt / sensed that it’s easier to register 5 or even 10 new democrats in less time and with less aggravation than to “convert” a hardliner (from either side)

i have no proof for this

We’re betting on it.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:12:07am

re: #226 Decatur Deb

Woops, I meant Amish, dammit I need moar coffee!

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Nojay UK  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:12:30am

re: #209 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Unlike ISIS, the Soviet nuclear arsenal was an “existential threat” to the USA

At the time of the Cuban Missile crisis the Soviet Union’s nuclear arsenal was not capable of destroying the US. They had a limited number of delivery systems, mostly bombers that would have had to penetrate a sophisticated air defence system which would have seriously degraded the attack. An all-out war was still going to kill tens of millions of people in the US at the least but it would still have been in existence afterwards.

The Soviets were faced at the time with an overwhelming US nuclear capability including Thor and Jupiter short-range missiles in Italy and Turkey of a similar type to the ones the Soviets threatened to emplace in Cuba. They had requested the US government remove those missiles and when they refused only then did they move ahead with implementing their plans to put similar missiles in Cuba. At that point the US freaked out, scaring the shit out of the rest of us. Once things quietened down the US did in fact remove the Thor and Jupiter missiles as the Soviets requested had but by that time both sides were moving towards a strategic deterrent system using home-based intercontinental ballistic missiles, submarine-launched missiles and bombers as an afterthought.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:13:22am

re: #228 lawhawk

There were no set of rules or options that would have given Bernie the win.

Every measure, from all caucus to all winner take all would not have changed fact that Hillary got millions more votes than Bernie did. And got more votes in the states with higher numbers of delegates (win where the delegates are).

Trump doesn’t care about any of this. He’s just shit stirring because he thinks this will create conflict at the convention.

He’s piggybacking on hopes that the leaks will create dissent and conflict on the floor.

Yeah that’s exactly what he’s doing.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:13:42am

re: #226 Decatur Deb

The Mormons would go door to door telling everyone about it. I am failing more than usual today.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:13:43am

re: #231 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Woops, I meant Amish, dammit I need moar coffee!

Easy mistake. Two nice young Mormons would certainly come to visit.

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lawhawk  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:14:25am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:14:32am

re: #204 A Mom Anon

Maybe it’s just me, but the more disturbing thing here is that a Russian hacker and the wikileaks asshole released all this to fuck with an election. In favor of Trump. So now this shit has to be dealt with instead of actual important shit. That is the bigger issue here. Along with Trump’s business with the Russians, this looks a lot like industrial strength ratfucking.

No, that’s a good point as well. It should really bother people that it’s obvious that people hostile to our nation definitely want Trump to win.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:16:48am

re: #236 lawhawk

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You know what? I’m completely fine with this. I do hope he makes some positive points about Clinton too though. I know he’s sort of doing that by contrasting her with Trump. In any case, I’m glad he’s not humoring the idiots that actually think because Bernie and Trump have some of the same views on trade that it means Trump is like Bernie.

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:19:31am

re: #236 lawhawk

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Doesn’t sound to me like he’s going to go Cruz.

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:19:58am

re: #203 Decatur Deb

Able Archer ‘83, if you will conflate the Soviet Union and communism.

A 1996 CIA report on the 1983 war scare concluded that the Soviets genuinely feared a pre-emptive nuclear strike from the United States. General Secretary Yuri Andropov “repeatedly compared” Reagan to Hitler, the architect of a devastating surprise attack on the Soviet Union that it barely survived, and told his Politburo colleagues that he was “fanning the flames of war,” an image, the report’s author notes dryly, “more sinister than Andropov as a Red Darth Vader.”

militaryhistorynow.com

That shows they were scared shitless about us. I see no communist menace…I see fear that would possibly lead to thermonuclear annihilation. Definitely not something we want but also not a communist menace (unless we’re willing to say there was a US menace which I highly doubt uncle Ronnie was willing to do).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:20:24am

re: #224 Emptor scriptor Remorse

The Mormons would have helped you build it.
Just saying.

But they would not help you defend it, that is up to you…

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:21:49am

re: #240 MsJ

Menace in the sense of them having serious plans of invading you - no, in that sense it wasn’t a menace. In other senses, maybe.

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:22:20am

re: #204 A Mom Anon

Maybe it’s just me, but the more disturbing thing here is that a Russian hacker and the wikileaks asshole released all this to fuck with an election. In favor of Trump. So now this shit has to be dealt with instead of actual important shit. That is the bigger issue here. Along with Trump’s business with the Russians, this looks a lot like industrial strength ratfucking.

And they are going to keep doing it. Russia wants trump because he’s everything they’ve been telling their populace Americans are. He’d gaze into Putin’s eyes and see his soul, for the two are one; they both want power and money.

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Teukka  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:23:03am

re: #240 MsJ

That shows they were scared shitless about us. I see no communist menace…I see fear that would possibly lead to thermonuclear annihilation. Definitely not something we want but also not a communist menace (unless we’re willing to say there was a US menace which I highly doubt uncle Ronnie was willing to do).

I have a feeling that the Russian Federation leadership may be in a similar situation to the situation during Able Archer ‘83, scared shitless and possibly seeing figments of their own paranoid imagination….

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dangerman  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:23:20am

yeah there’s a base that will vote R no matter what. so it looks kind of competitive.

there’s a chunk of republicans or “Republicans” that don’t know what to do yet.
and there’s a bunch of undecideds
and there are those who just haven’t started paying attention yet

when the sanity mechanism kicks in the comparison will be stark.
competence and experience vs (almost any metaphor you like)

if the R’s go third party, ok it’s a 1/2 a vote. though disingenuous and weasely it accomplishes something.

enough of the rest will see it and vote D.

i have no proof or support for this.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:24:26am

re: #240 MsJ

That shows they were scared shitless about us. I see no communist menace…I see fear that would possibly lead to thermonuclear annihilation. Definitely not something we want but also not a communist menace (unless we’re willing to say there was a US menace which I highly doubt uncle Ronnie was willing to do).

The point of the CIA research was that they were far more dangerous when genuinely frightened than when just being expansionist. There is military folklore that this didn’t go hot only because a mid-ranking Soviet officer violated his orders.

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fern01  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:24:52am

re: #236 lawhawk

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I have difficulty believing his platform is any more progressive than was President Obama’s in 2008. Having to deal with congress (even a dem majority) impacts such a platform as Bernie should well understand after all his years in that place. The outburst against the ACA and the refusal of congress to pass even minor legislation related to gun ownership are examples of why all progressive ideas can only be incrementally implemented.

Perhaps these words are the best he can give for his followers and as long as he asks them all to vote for Hillary Clinton - not much more can be expected.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:25:57am

re: #243 MsJ

And they are going to keep doing it. Russia wants trump because he’s everything they’ve been telling their populace Americans are. He’d gaze into Putin’s eyes and see his soul, for the two are one; they both want power and money.

Free pass for further expansion of the neo-Soviet empire.

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:26:14am

re: #205 Nyet

Plus the whole Cuban missile crisis.

Let’s, for a moment, picture trump as POTUS during this period.

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sagehen  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:26:41am

re: #128 Decatur Deb

Just watched the Marseillaise scene from Casablanca. Was impressed by the actress’s ability to cry on-cue, so looked her up. It might not have been acting.

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The characters in that scene, the actors filming it, and the audience in the theaters during the first run… at the time they didn’t know if there would ever again be a France.

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:27:22am

re: #215 Targetpractice

“Some on the left” think that Hillary and DWS sat in a dark office and worked together to plan all this out a year ago, then signed a pact in blood that Bernie would never get close to the nomination. I’m not really sure that these emails will do a lot besides convince those folks that their cause is righteous.

The whole and exclusive point of the matter right there.

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dangerman  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:27:55am

re: #249 MsJ

Let’s, for a moment, picture trump as POTUS during this period.

good ad suggestion

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:28:41am

re: #252 dangerman

good ad suggestion

You could have Trump throughout history. Trump during the Great Depression, Trump during the Civil War, and even Trump in the aftermath of 9/11.

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:29:15am

re: #221 Barefoot Grin

That’s what I’m trying to tell the few Bernie or bust friends who got refired up by this. It doesn’t help. They are pissed all over again. I just hope the emails aren’t doled out in drips and drops over the next few months.

I hope your hopes are not dashed because that’s exactly what is going to happen.

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dangerman  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:30:06am

re: #253 HappyWarrior

You could have Trump throughout history. Trump during the Great Depression, Trump during the Civil War, and even Trump in the aftermath of 9/11.

concrete examples. could be more effective than the non specific “three am phone call”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:31:03am

re: #255 dangerman

concrete examples. could be more effective than the non specific “three am phone call”

Indeed, the argument needs to be made that he doesn’t have the knowledge nor the temperament for the job.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:31:38am

re: #228 lawhawk

There were no set of rules or options that would have given Bernie the win.

It is a matter of LWBB* faith that Bernie was cheated out of the momentum he needed to win.

The RWNJs are happy to repeat this fallacy to damage the DNC.

* Left-wing Berniebro

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:31:53am

re: #214 Nyet

Basically what we’ve been suspecting all along. Trump as a part of the Putin International.

Shared that with a student of mine; she called it the most horrifying thing she’d read in a good, long time.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:33:25am

re: #258 Dr Lizardo

Shared that with a student of mine; she called it the most horrifying thing she’d read in a good, long time.

It really is disturbing to me how little Trump regards our allies. I mean I thought the Bush administration’s treatment of France and Germany during the lead up to Iraq was pretty crappy but Trump does not care about any of our allies.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:33:27am

re: #245 dangerman

if the R’s go third party, ok it’s a 1/2 a vote. though disingenuous and weasely it accomplishes something.

enough of the rest will see it and vote D.

i have no proof or support for this.

Remember, we had enough sense to elect Obama. Twice. It would take a major catastrophe for Trump to have any serious chance.

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:33:31am

re: #251 MsJ

The whole and exclusive point of the matter right there.

And these are folks who either A) aren’t members of the party or B) were looking for reasons to hate the DNC for not accepting Bernie as their savior. From the tweets I’ve seen since this dropped, most are calling for his excommunication from “progressive” politics if he doesn’t take a big shit on Hillary and the party tomorrow.

We’ve spent months now tuning out these nutters, why start paying attention to what they have to say now?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:34:17am

re: #243 MsJ

And they are going to keep doing it. Russia wants trump because he’s everything they’ve been telling their populace Americans are. He’d gaze into Putin’s eyes and see his soul, for the two are one; they both want power and money.

Anything that weakens the USA is of benefit to them, and they see quite clearly what would happen to the US under DTs leadership.

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lawhawk  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:35:11am

Is it me, or does that photo of Herr Trump show Trump with a bit of a ‘stache.

The makings of a toothbrush?

Naw, just seeing things…. or am I…

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:35:41am

re: #253 HappyWarrior

You could have Trump throughout history. Trump during the Great Depression, Trump during the Civil War, and even Trump in the aftermath of 9/11.

”..We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a really great casino, best in the Union, as a great place to enjoy and win a few bucks. Families of those who here gave their lives will be comped a room, occupancy permitting until Labor Day. It is altogether fitting and proper, really huge, that we should do this. “

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:36:11am

re: #262 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump is Putin’s best chance to watch America burn.

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JasonA  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:36:27am

re: #263 lawhawk

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Is it me, or does that photo of Herr Trump show Trump with a bit of a ‘stache.

The makings of a toothbrush?

Naw, just seeing things…. or am I…

Nein…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:36:39am

re: #261 Targetpractice

And these are folks who either A) aren’t members of the party or B) were looking for reasons to hate the DNC for not accepting Bernie as their savior. From the tweets I’ve seen since this dropped, most are calling for his excommunication from “progressive” politics if he doesn’t take a big shit on Hillary and the party tomorrow.

We’ve spent months now tuning out these nutters, why start paying attention to what they have to say now?

The thing that pisses me off about them and I see their post since I do have a lot of FB friends leftover from my more far left days and a lot of them are CONSTANTLY looking for an excuse not to vote for the Democrats. And you know what, I can’t stop them there but I sure as hell do resent them suggesting that they and not the people who gave Clinton more votes than Bernie are the actual Democratic base.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:36:52am

re: #263 lawhawk

The ‘stache is there in spirit.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:37:02am

re: #260 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

… It would take a major catastrophe for Trump to have any serious chance.

Can you hold your breath for 3 months?

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dangerman  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:37:03am

re: #257 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is a matter of LWBB* faith that Bernie was cheated out of the momentum he needed to win./blockquote>

right. ignoring that this took place when Clinton’s lead was (virtually) insurmountable. it was over.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:37:21am

re: #264 Decatur Deb

”..We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a really great casino, best in the Union, as a great place to enjoy and win a few bucks. Families of those who here gave their lives will be comped a room, occupancy permitting until Labor Day. It is altogether fitting and proper, really huge, that we should do this. “

Read it in his voice, nice.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:38:34am

re: #263 lawhawk

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Is it me, or does that photo of Herr Trump show Trump with a bit of a ‘stache.

The makings of a toothbrush?

Naw, just seeing things…. or am I…

See this is why I can’t see him winning. His whole attitude to women is just pathetic. And I don’t even know what the debates are going to be like.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:39:36am

Trump could unfortunately probably get away with just scapegoating Hispanics but it’s going to be a lot harder for him to repeatedly get away with disrespecting women especially with a woman opponent. That said, he’ll do better than a lot of better candidates have and that alone depresses me.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:45:10am

re: #227 Nyet

DWS is really incompetent.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:46:30am

LOLWUT

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:47:20am

re: #259 HappyWarrior

It really is disturbing to me how little Trump regards our allies. I mean I thought the Bush administration’s treatment of France and Germany during the lead up to Iraq was pretty crappy but Trump does not care about any of our allies.

It’s more, I think, that he has no understanding of geopolitics. At all. His thought - or what is passed off as thought, doesn’t come from him because he’s too stupid and lazy to make concepts or conclusions - come from others, specifically Manafort.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:48:29am

re: #265 Nyet

Considering Russia’s interference, I think at the this point the US should strip the Russian Orthodox Church in the US of its tax exempt status, and make it register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act if the Russian Orthodox Church is organized in such a way that money and information from the Church in the US flows back to Patriarch Kirill.

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jaunte  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:48:36am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:49:15am

re: #276 MsJ

It’s more, I think, that he has no understanding of geopolitics. At all. His thought - or what is passed off as thought, doesn’t come from him because he’s too stupid and lazy to make concepts or conclusions - come from others, specifically Manafort.

It’s not just that. It’s his whole fucking attitude. I mean as much as I hate Reagan, Reagan didn’t disdain the very idea of advisers.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:49:24am

re: #274 Ziggy_TARDIS

DWS is really incompetent.

She was bad news ever since she bucked Obama on the Iran deal.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:49:47am

re: #280 Nyet

That was where I started to dislike her too.

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:50:07am

re: #274 Ziggy_TARDIS

DWS is really incompetent.

She’s also gone by the end of the year, regardless of the outcome of the election.

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:50:11am

re: #263 lawhawk

I see it, too. Subtle but there.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:50:48am

re: #275 The Vicious Babushka

OK, Chucky getting the draft of Obama’s book from Malik makes sense now.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:51:15am

re: #277 Ziggy_TARDIS

Not a fan of the ROC, but sorry, that’s bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:51:29am

re: #275 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWUT

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Treated Malik so badly that he made him his best man. Don’t know what the fuck that means about Kaine. And as for Bernie, Bernie would have lost by even more if the Dems had the Republicans rules so I don’t care what this shitface has to say.

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:52:19am

re: #272 HappyWarrior

See this is why I can’t see him winning. His whole attitude to women is just pathetic. And I don’t even know what the debates are going to be like.

IF he debates. Which I’m calling right now…not gonna happen.

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sagehen  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:52:43am

re: #253 HappyWarrior

You could have Trump throughout history. Trump during the Great Depression, Trump during the Civil War, and even Trump in the aftermath of 9/11.

Maybe not an official Hillary ad, but that sounds like something Jimmy Kimmel could do really well.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:52:50am

re: #277 Ziggy_TARDIS

Considering Russia’s interference, I think at the this point the US should strip the Russian Orthodox Church in the US of its tax exempt status, and make it register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act if the Russian Orthodox Church is organized in such a way that money and information from the Church in the US flows back to Patriarch Kirill.

Nyetthat would be a mistake and exactly what the Kremlin would want.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:53:29am

re: #285 Nyet

Not a fan of the ROC, but sorry, that’s bullshit.

It would also be giving Putin exactly what he wanted. But yeah I’m no fan either due their attitudes in general.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:54:16am

re: #285 Nyet

Too be honest, I say that only because it is the only way I can think of to make Putin more uncomfortable than they already are, as we are currently doing everything else otherwise.

If I am missing some other instrument in making Putin squirm, let me know.

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:54:41am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

It’s not just that. It’s his whole fucking attitude. I mean as much as I hate Reagan, Reagan didn’t disdain the very idea of advisers.

Yeah, but Ronnie actually did love America. Trump loves himself. And money.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:54:53am

re: #291 Ziggy_TARDIS

You don’t make Poo uncomfortable by playing directly into his hands.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:55:03am

re: #288 sagehen

Maybe not an official Hillary ad, but that sounds like something Jimmy Kimmel could do really well.

Yeah that would be fun. Honestly, I’m surprised with how fairly liberal Jimmy seems to be. I thought he’d be more like his former Man Show co-host Adam Carolla who is firmly in the Trump camp. Carolla is an asshole in my book. Comes from the Gene Simmons book of “Fuck you poor people, I’m rich.”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:55:27am

re: #292 MsJ

Yeah, but Ronnie actually did love America. Trump loves himself. And money.

There’s that too.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:55:50am

re: #293 Nyet

You don’t make Poo uncomfortable by playing directly into his hands.

Exactly.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:56:30am

re: #292 MsJ

He also loves power and authority.

Look at how he praised the crackdown on Tiananmen Square.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:56:40am

If you’re going to revoke tax exempt status, you do it for every religion not just the ROC.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:56:44am

re: #292 MsJ

Yeah, but Ronnie actually did love America. Trump loves himself. And money.

Hmm, good point.
Trump would be just as comfortable as the Tsar of Russia.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:57:06am

re: #298 HappyWarrior

Should have been done a long time ago.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:57:54am

re: #287 MsJ

IF he debates. Which I’m calling right now…not gonna happen.

He will find a way of ducking out but blaming it on Hillary or the DNC.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:58:52am

re: #300 Nyet

Should have been done a long time ago.

Absolutely. Anyhow, I think if Tardis’s idea were done, it would be a propaganda boon for Putin who no doubt would use it to his American Christian right sympathizers to spread the idea “Your church is next!”. No offense Tardis but I think you’re being short-sighted here. I have no idea how to hit Putin where it hurts hence why I’m here and not in the diplomatic corps but this isn’t the way.

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451_Montag  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:59:18am

re: #275 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWUT

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That’s what really gets me about the BBs, and Trump’s tweet. By what fucking metric did Bernie win? Most votes? Most pledged delegates? Most states? Not one.unless I reaaaaaaly want it is a metric by which to choose a president.

The Chai Party rises.

Perhaps America really is fucked.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:59:33am

re: #302 HappyWarrior

Not to mention unconstitutional.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 6:59:46am

re: #301 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He will find a way of ducking out but blaming it on Hillary or the DNC.

A silly question but i wonder what Democrat could even play Trump in debate practice for Clinton. Trump debates like no one I’ve ever seen before.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:00:02am

re: #302 HappyWarrior

I have no idea how to hit Putin where it hurts

Offshore money.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:00:12am

re: #304 Nyet

Not to mention unconstitutional.

Yep ugly ugly can of worms that does not need to be opened.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:00:47am

re: #306 Nyet

Offshore money.

Wallet yep.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:00:53am

re: #306 Nyet

Offshore money.

Plus documenting Putin’s sponsorship of neofascists.

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451_Montag  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:01:09am

re: #305 HappyWarrior

A silly question but i wonder what Democrat could even play Trump in debate practice for Clinton. Trump debates like no one I’ve ever seen before.

Zombie Hitler painted orange, and with worse hair?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:01:30am

re: #305 HappyWarrior

A silly question but i wonder what Democrat could even play Trump in debate practice for Clinton. Trump debates like no one I’ve ever seen before.

They just need to call up a megalomaniac-sharing service, like Ubermensch

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:01:51am

re: #309 Nyet

Plus documenting Putin’s sponsorship of neofascists.

Yeah I like that idea too.

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jeffreyw  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:03:14am

Imgur


Good morning!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:03:30am

re: #310 451_Montag

Zombie Hitler painted orange, and with worse hair?

He’s all charred up the moment. Speaking of Hitler, there was a hilarious German film I saw based on a book called “Guess Who’s Back” and the premise is Hitler waking up in present Germany with no idea the war is long over and he eventually becomes a sort of talk show circuit favorite.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:04:36am

Freedom of press for me but not for thee.

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:06:56am

re: #305 HappyWarrior

A silly question but i wonder what Democrat could even play Trump in debate practice for Clinton. Trump debates like no one I’ve ever seen before.

With his penchant for non-sequiturs, word salad and incomplete thought…I got nothing.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:07:39am
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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:08:00am

re: #318 MsJ

With his penchant for non-sequiturs, word salad and incomplete thought…I got nothing.

Palin…

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jaunte  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:08:37am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:08:52am

re: #317 Nyet

Freedom of press for me but not for thee.

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Conspiracy theory? The motherfucker praises Putin and it’s well known he has money in Russia. Wikileaks are such hacks. They operate under the guise of concerned activists but we know what they’re really all about.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:09:21am

re: #321 jaunte

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Trump doesn’t need to shower. Showers take Trump not the other way around.

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:09:25am

re: #321 jaunte

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The Onion just declared bankruptcy.

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Maxwell Not So Smart  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:10:07am

re: #218 sagehen

awwwww!!

They look so in love.

It was pretty common seeing that sort of thing. I have 1 of a zebra with its baby looking so motherly. Shocking really. One afternoon I sat near a watering hole that elephants were very busy at. At times some of the bulls would get very pushy about who had the right to the A list spot. No matter how much pushing or shoving or noise making was happening if a little one came running up all the BS stopped. All the pushing and shoving stopped so the little ones would have first pick of what spot they wanted. Some would even back off and lets the moms get in with the kids.

I’m sure there are a lot of humans that could learn from what I saw on an average afternoon with a bunch of elephants getting a drink and cooling off.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:12:05am

re: #317 Nyet

Freedom of press for me but not for thee.

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Heh. Hit a nerve there.

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jaunte  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:13:41am

Festung Amerika

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:14:43am

The exodus of the most poisonous far-left types from DKos is a blessing. Not only is the site readable, it seems that the on and off love affair between many Kossacks and wikileaks is coming to an end.

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:16:19am

What does this mean?

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:16:57am

re: #320 Nyet

Palin…

My first and only thought. But then I laughed myself silly.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:18:19am

re: #318 MsJ

With his penchant for non-sequiturs, word salad and incomplete thought…I got nothing.

Bait him, and ask for specifics.

“Our allies should carry their weight!”
“So if NATO becomes pay to play, how does, say, Estonia… ‘Pay’ us? How does that work exactly?”
*a minute of bloviating later*
“Donald, you haven’t answered my question…”
“I don’t need to answer, I’ll have great people, smart people!”

Seriously though, I hope H & Co. have the good sense to hire some smart guys, the best guys (or gals) to create a full speech profile on DT, and find a way to trigger him into driving right off the cliff, all by himself.

I wonder if DT would skip the debates because he doesn’t need to do them.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:19:53am

re: #329 MsJ

Putin’s advisor, “grey cardinal”. But the person doesn’t cite any sources.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:20:16am
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:20:35am

re: #329 MsJ

What does this mean?

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I’m not entirely familiar with Wikileaks, but they sound like bilingual Russkies working on a pay-to-post propaganda contract. Like those stooges they have posting on Youtube or political forums…

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:20:36am
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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:21:11am

re: #333 The Vicious Babushka

He’s been posting this for some time.
McCarthy means there were no communist spies, no communist threat and Putin is good.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:21:30am

re: #334 Pawn of the Oppressor

It’s Assange.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:21:39am

re: #327 jaunte

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Festung Amerika

That’s rich. I guess people are only allowed to emigrate to marry his sorry ass.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:23:09am

re: #314 Nyet

Russia accused of clandestine funding of European parties as US conducts major review of Vladimir Putin’s strategy

Industrial-scale ratfucking…

But then again, look at what the US did to Iraq and Iran…

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Ming5000  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:23:10am

re: #298 HappyWarrior

If you’re going to revoke tax exempt status, you do it for every religion not just the ROC.

Yes, please

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:24:44am

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:24:46am

re: #339 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Industrial-scale ratfucking…

But then again, look at what the US did to Iraq and Iran…

Maybe let’s worry about that history some other time…

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palomino  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:25:26am

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

And I feel differently that those people.

There were ten times as many elephants in Africa 100 years ago. Their population is now less than half a million. And hunting of course is one of the reasons.

African elephants are officially listed as “vulnerable.” One step above threatened, and certainly not thriving. This is the moral framework within which people make a decision whether or not to kill such an animal.

For some reason you think it’s important to shill for billionaires who like to kill vulnerable species. Maybe you just don’t give a shit. Now get back to polishing Roger Ailes’s boots.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:25:30am

re: #342 Nyet

Maybe let’s worry about that history some other time…

not saying that it is justified, or even good policy.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:26:55am

It’s not a Putin plot. Putin is using it. What’s so hard to understand here, Glenny?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:27:52am

re: #336 Nyet

He’s been posting this for some time.
McCarthy means there were no communist spies, no communist threat and Putin is good.

He is such a hack.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:29:20am

re: #345 Nyet

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It’s not a Putin plot. Putin is using it. What’s so hard to understand here, Glenny?

He understands it, he is just pushing talking points.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:29:31am

re: #345 Nyet

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It’s not a Putin plot. Putin is using it. What’s so hard to understand here, Glenny?

He gets it. He’s just aware that the bros that read his shit won’t.

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fern01  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:29:51am

re: #272 HappyWarrior

See this is why I can’t see him winning. His whole attitude to women is just pathetic. And I don’t even know what the debates are going to be like.

You’re assuming there will be debates. No tax returns easily followed by no debates

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:31:12am

re: #349 fern01

You’re assuming there will be debates. No tax returns easily followed by no debates

He will be too busy filling out tax returns to debate?

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:31:33am

re: #338 HappyWarrior

That’s rich. I guess people are only allowed to emigrate to marry his sorry ass.

No American wants that job. /

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:31:55am

re: #341 Ziggy_TARDIS

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palomino  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:34:38am

re: #349 fern01

You’re assuming there will be debates. No tax returns easily followed by no debates

I guess she has to debate him, but she should squeeze as much as she can. And she has to insist on a no crosstalk format. She can’t get into a shouting or insult match with the Donald. It’s the one thing he’s good at.

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:35:05am

re: #345 Nyet

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lawhawk  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:36:48am

re: #350 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If Trump backs out of debates, you can be sure that the Clinton campaign will call him weak for ducking her. If he can’t handle a debate with Clinton (who he paints as weak and incompetent), how can anyone take him seriously about his positions on any issue or in dealing with foreign rivals like China or Russia.

You can’t duck everyone. Trump will try, since his policies are notoriously thin.

Yet, today he’s busy expounding and expanding his notion of the Muslim ban to possibly include immigration from France and Germany.

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:37:01am

re: #353 palomino

I guess she has to debate him, but she should squeeze as much as she can. And she has to insist on a no crosstalk format. She can’t get into a shouting or insult match with the Donald. It’s the one thing he’s good at.

Trump is not going to debate.

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William Lewis  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:37:46am

Poked the Bernie Bros at that liberal gun site. Hit a few nerves but I am so tired of the burn it all down crap and the misogynistic complaints about Hillary from the right that they wouldn’t repeat about a male candidate. But the final straw was that there are several using Goldman Sachs in way that’s really just barely this side of saying “international bankers” and they really didn’t want to hear that. Goodness forbid that you talk about the Putin love on the left either.

Just frustrated with it. Probably shouldn’t go back till mid November for my BP sake if nothing else.

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:37:53am

re: #354 MsJ

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He may have a point, America’s circumstances are a bit like Britain’s, in that we have an entire generation of white people used to being the ones in charge who are spending their twilight years afraid that they’re going to lose that power to the hordes of non-whites.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:38:04am

re: #355 lawhawk

If Trump backs out of debates, you can be sure that the Clinton campaign will call him weak for ducking her. If he can’t handle a debate with Clinton (who he paints as weak and incompetent), how can anyone take him seriously about his positions on any issue or in dealing with foreign rivals like China or Russia.

You can’t duck everyone. Trump will try, since his policies are notoriously thin.

Yet, today he’s busy expounding and expanding his notion of the Muslim ban to possibly include immigration from France and Germany.

If Trump refuses to debate, the Clinton campaign needs to hit him hard and fast on his blatant cowardice.

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:39:28am

re: #356 MsJ

Trump is not going to debate.

There’s likely to be a debate, one that is totally set up in a format that benefits Trump.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:40:09am

Frau Coulter, never change…

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:41:35am
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MsJ  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:41:48am

re: #358 Targetpractice

He may have a point, America’s circumstances are a bit like Britain’s, in that we have an entire generation of white people used to being the ones in charge who are spending their twilight years afraid that they’re going to lose that power to the hordes of non-whites.

Murdoch was a big driver in Brexit passing.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:42:30am

re: #362 Nyet

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WTF.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:43:19am

Coulter was “alt right” before alt right was a thing.

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Teukka  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:43:50am

re: #364 HappyWarrior

WTF.

$.02 on them going even lower before 12:00am…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:46:46am

re: #365 Nyet

Coulter was “alt right” before alt right was a thing.

Indeed, she’s always been a bigoted kook and has gotten a pass for the most part on it.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:47:56am

re: #367 HappyWarrior

Indeed, she’s always been a bigoted kook and has gotten a pass for the most part on it.

She legitimized CCC in one of her books, back then hardly a “mainstream” move. It’s gotten worse since then.

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fern01  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:49:03am

re: #353 palomino

I guess she has to debate him, but she should squeeze as much as she can. And she has to insist on a no crosstalk format. She can’t get into a shouting or insult match with the Donald. It’s the one thing he’s good at.

I have no doubt that Hillary wants to debate him. The formats have already been set - the second being a town hall style where no doubt the questions from a so called undecided audience will be about emails and Benghazi

1 & 3 - Cross Talk is there
The debate will be divided into six time segments of approximately 15 minutes each on major topics to be selected by the moderator and announced at least one week before the debate. The moderator will open each segment with a question, after which each candidate will have two minutes to respond. Candidates will then have an opportunity to respond to each other. The moderator will use the balance of the time in the segment for a deeper discussion of the topic.
debates.org

I think it is quite possible that Trump will find a reason (bogus) to refuse to debate

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lawhawk  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:49:15am

Well, the post-RNC polling is starting to come out, and it looks like Trump got a dead cat bounce.

2 point jump overall, but it looks like he lost still more ground with minorities. Like Hispanics:

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fern01  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:51:13am

re: #360 Targetpractice

There’s likely to be a debate, one that is totally set up in a format that benefits Trump.

Debate formats are already defined.
debates.org

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jaunte  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:51:32am

I’m not comfortable with this mercenary.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:53:33am

re: #372 jaunte

Now you wanna talk about someone who should have to register as a foreign agent, yeah, it’s that clown.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:53:37am

So if/when Hillary wins, is Bill’s title “First Spouse”, “First Man”, “First Lad”…..?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:54:18am

re: #374 Dr. Matt

So if/when Hillary wins, is Bill’s title “First Spouse”, “First Man”, “First Lad”…..?

First Dude

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fern01  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:54:31am

re: #374 Dr. Matt

So if/when Hillary wins, is Bill’s title “First Spouse”, “First Man”, “First Lad”…..?

You seem to have missed “First Dude”

And: too slow

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:54:33am

re: #368 Nyet

She legitimized CCC in one of her books, back then hardly a “mainstream” move. It’s gotten worse since then.

Didn’t know that. Her barely disguised racism towards non-whites on the air with “Kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity” or how Jews needed to be perfected into Christians. Truly awful person who should have never been given a platform the way she has.

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jaunte  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:55:22am
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stpaulbear  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:55:47am

re: #353 palomino

I guess she has to debate him, but she should squeeze as much as she can. And she has to insist on a no crosstalk format. She can’t get into a shouting or insult match with the Donald. It’s the one thing he’s good at.

I think Hillary is more of a “Are you done yet??” person than a shouter.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:56:00am

re: #375 The Vicious Babushka

re: #376 fern01

I left that one out because that’s what Sarah called Todd.

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No Depression  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:56:17am

The vindictive side of me wants to place even more severe sanctions on Russia now for trying to fuck with our election. A depression would really give Putin a headache. But I know it’s probably not a good idea.

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stpaulbear  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:58:24am

re: #355 lawhawk

If Trump backs out of debates, you can be sure that the Clinton campaign will call him weak for ducking her. If he can’t handle a debate with Clinton (who he paints as weak and incompetent), how can anyone take him seriously about his positions on any issue or in dealing with foreign rivals like China or Russia.

You can’t duck everyone. Trump will try, since his policies are notoriously thin.

Yet, today he’s busy expounding and expanding his notion of the Muslim ban to possibly include immigration from France and Germany.

It would be very interesting if the debates turned into “A Conversation with Hillary Clinton” while Donald furiously tweets insults during the show.

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JasonA  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:58:27am

re: #374 Dr. Matt

So if/when Hillary wins, is Bill’s title “First Spouse”, “First Man”, “First Lad”…..?

First mate!

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jaunte  Jul 24, 2016 • 7:59:41am

re: #383 JasonA

“Gilligan”

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lawhawk  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:01:29am

re: #374 Dr. Matt

So if/when Hillary wins, is Bill’s title “First Spouse”, “First Man”, “First Lad”…..?

Former President…

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:01:47am

usatoday.com

Hedge-fund billionaire Robert Mercer and his daughter, Rebekah, issued a rare public statement, slamming Cruz, who suggested during his convention appearance that Republicans “vote their conscience.”

In a statement, the Mercers said:

Last summer and again this year, Senator Ted Cruz pledged to support the candidacy of the nominee of the Republican Party whomever that nominee might be. We are profoundly disappointed that on Wednesday night he chose to disregard this pledge.

The Democratic Party will soon choose as their nominee a candidate who would repeal both the First and Second Amendments of the Bill of Rights, a nominee who would remake the Supreme Court in her own image. We need “all hands on deck” to ensure that Mr. Trump prevails. Unfortunately, Senator Cruz has chosen to remain in his bunk below, a decision both regrettable and revealing.

These people are that stupid and they vote have billions.

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JasonA  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:02:05am
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Alyosha  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:02:16am

I’d love it if the security briefs that the Trump campaign gets access to are riddled with telltale falsities. That way, even if we don’t ever hear about leaks to foreign governments in the press, the State Department can get a bead on the source.

Seems like just the honeypot someone like Manafort might fall into.

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BeachDem  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:03:34am

Spent yesterday at my brother’s house; Trump own (wingnut brother and wife) were outnumbered by Hillaryans 18 to 2; when bro became particularly annoying I would grab my phone and flash a closeup of Hillary to shut him up! Good times

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freetoken  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:04:00am

re: #386 Nyet

These people are that stupid and they vote have billions.

The Mercers aren’t “stupid”. They know full well what they are doing.

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BeachDem  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:05:04am

re: #375 The Vicious Babushka

First Dude

Nope! That was Todd Palin’s nick—ew!

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:05:12am

re: #390 freetoken

The Mercers aren’t “stupid”. They know full well what they are doing.

They think Trump is good for business. That’s stupid.

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fern01  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:05:12am

re: #385 lawhawk

Former President…

When QEII became Queen, her mother who was also Queen Elizabeth became known officially as the Queen Mother.

Could Bill thus become the President Husband

Life is going to be confusing with 2 President Clintons. One argument for women to retain their birth names after marriage.

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No Depression  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:07:21am

re: #387 JasonA

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I have a feeling this won’t go anywhere.

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freetoken  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:07:29am

re: #392 Nyet

They think Trump is good for business. That’s stupid.

Drumpfskind could be very good for their business.

Fund managers make money by working the masses who “invest” their savings.

Even in wars, as long as the homefront doesn’t get destroyed, there are people who profit on a war.

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No Depression  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:11:11am

The Clinton campaign is going there:

Hillary Campaign Manager Mook: Russian State Actors Hacked DNC and Released Emails to Sway Election

Let’s hope this is just the opening salvo of a barrage that links Trump to Russian malfeasance.

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:11:41am

re: #375 The Vicious Babushka

First Dude

The Dude. And he will abide.

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Alyosha  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:13:46am

* …to which the Trump campaign gains access…
*…into which Manafort might fall.

Prepositions. Ugh.

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Danack  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:14:08am

re: #396 No Depression

The Clinton campaign is going there:

Hillary Campaign Manager Mook: Russian State Actors Hacked DNC and Released Emails to Sway Election

Let’s hope this is just the opening salvo of a barrage that links Trump to Russian malfeasance.

This seems like a big deal.

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:14:25am

re: #387 JasonA

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A textbook example of overplaying one’s hand.

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No Depression  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:14:48am
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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:16:12am

re: #396 No Depression

The Clinton campaign is going there:

Hillary Campaign Manager Mook: Russian State Actors Hacked DNC and Released Emails to Sway Election

Let’s hope this is just the opening salvo of a barrage that links Trump to Russian malfeasance.

As well it should. The DNC would do well to get this shit out there and circulating. Trump’s connections to Russian oligarchs, who are either buddies with Putin or have his blessing, are a pretty undeniable reality. We should be asking if “Crooked Donald” is effectively on the payroll of the Kremlin.

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Teukka  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:17:04am

re: #396 No Depression

The Clinton campaign is going there:

Hillary Campaign Manager Mook: Russian State Actors Hacked DNC and Released Emails to Sway Election

Let’s hope this is just the opening salvo of a barrage that links Trump to Russian malfeasance.

Please let the US investigation into funding of Westen right-wingers by the Russian Federation have clues the size of African Elephants pointing to the US….

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:17:45am

re: #384 jaunte

Chewbacca

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fern01  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:20:07am

re: #402 Targetpractice

As well it should. The DNC would do well to get this shit out there and circulating. Trump’s connections to Russian oligarchs, who are either buddies with Putin or have his blessing, are a pretty undeniable reality. We should be asking if “Crooked Donald” is effectively on the payroll of the Kremlin.

Best response to the name calling

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:20:15am

re: #217 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I was too young to recall the crisis as such, but I remember that there were people building bomb shelters in their backyards, and that I wanted one, as it would have been a bitchin’ secret underground fort-

The “duck ad cover” drills at school really broke up the day. Sometimes they would march us all into the gym and into the respective boys and girls locker room and crouch down in line against the interior wall. Guess that was safer, or just put everyone closer together for easier counting of ash piles.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:20:22am

re: #401 No Depression

Good!

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:22:06am

re: #399 Danack

This seems like a big deal.

Not to Trump supporters. They simply don’t care.

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freetoken  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:24:08am

These Berniebots seem to be trying do what Corbyn is doing to Labour over in the UK.

Looking at the UK headlines, Corbyn appears to be going down in fire and wanting to take the whole lot with him.

The latest:

Indian-Origin UK MP Files Complaint Against Jeremy Corbyn’s Aide

An Indian-origin Labour MP has lodged a complaint with the UK House of Commons Speaker against her party leader Jeremy Corbyn’s aide for “unauthorised entry” into her parliamentary office and “intimidating” her staff.

Seema Malhotra, 43, who had resigned as shadow chief secretary to the Treasury along with a number of her party colleagues last month, has called on Speaker Jon Bercow to launch an official investigation into the incident.

The MP for Feltham and Heston has claimed people from the Opposition leader’s office used digital keys to open her office door.

This comes after the following from 2 days ago:

Jeremy Corbyn denies bullying over threat to ring MP’s Sinn Féin father - as it happened

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:24:26am

I still have problems with Bernie, his concession came as a bit of a surprise to me, but I’m happy to see that he’s now behind defeating Trump.

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darthstar  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:25:18am
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MsJ  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:25:23am

re: #401 No Depression

Stolded that.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:27:20am

Oh boy.

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:27:41am

re: #411 darthstar

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Considering the animosity towards the woman, I can’t say as I see this as a negative.

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stpaulbear  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:28:08am

re: #217 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I was too young to recall the crisis as such, but I remember that there were people building bomb shelters in their backyards, and that I wanted one, as it would have been a bitchin’ secret underground fort-

Donald Fagen - New Frontier (Video)

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darthstar  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:28:14am

re: #410 Targetpractice

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I still have problems with Bernie, his concession came as a bit of a surprise to me, but I’m happy to see that he’s now behind defeating Trump.

He’s ALWAYS been behind defeating Trump. It’s not his fault the DNC colluded with the media and Clinton campaign to put an asterisk on an otherwise historical nomination.

And he has a right to call for DWS’s resignation. Doesn’t negate his endorsement of Hillary.

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Teukka  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:28:45am

re: #413 Ziggy_TARDIS

Oh boy.

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That’s gonna leave a mark…

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Jenner7  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:29:09am

Hey, Bernie, tell your busters to sit down and shut up during this convention. You got what you wanted on the platform, you got Cornel West, and now you’ve got DWS. If your supporters cause problems, it’s on you.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:30:00am

You know, I would almost be willing to give him a pass on this one…
Except for the damn week (plus) long ragegasm by the RW media/talking heads just one month ago

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Alyosha  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:30:23am

re: #416 darthstar

He’s ALWAYS been behind defeating Trump. It’s not his fault the DNC colluded with the media and Clinton campaign to put an asterisk on an otherwise historical nomination.

And he has a right to call for DWS’s resignation. Doesn’t negate his endorsement of Hillary.

She’s on the way out anyway.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:30:31am

re: #417 Teukka

If I am reading this right, a Former US General just retweeted, and approved a virulently Anti-Semitic Tweet.

The hell is going on.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:30:43am

re: #349 fern01

You’re assuming there will be debates. No tax returns easily followed by no debates

Haven’t heard much from much from Harry Reid this go-around. Timing is everything.

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:30:44am

re: #416 darthstar

He’s ALWAYS been behind defeating Trump. It’s not his fault the DNC colluded with the media and Clinton campaign to put an asterisk on an otherwise historical nomination.

And he has a right to call for DWS’s resignation. Doesn’t negate his endorsement of Hillary.

Oh Christ…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:31:02am

re: #275 The Vicious Babushka

Malik lives in Kenya.

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freetoken  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:31:04am

re: #421 Ziggy_TARDIS

If I am reading this right, a Former US General just retweeted, and approved a virulently Anti-Semitic Tweet.

The hell is going on.

Drumpfskindepoche.

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darthstar  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:31:09am

So, has anyone tied the DNC email leaks to Putin’s operatives yet

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Jenner7  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:31:13am

re: #416 darthstar

Uh, that didn’t happen.

There is no asterisk on her nomination. Period.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:31:29am

An Interview with Berke Breathed done at Comic-Con on his new book coming out in September of all of the new Bloom County strips published to date, on Trump:

Still, don’t look for too many more Trump jokes in the weeks and months to follow: “I think he’ll be gone fairly soon. He’ll be gone within a week or two of getting into the White House, because he has no interest in working that hard.”

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Teukka  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:31:39am

re: #421 Ziggy_TARDIS

If I am reading this right, a Former US General just retweeted, and approved a virulently Anti-Semitic Tweet.

The hell is going on.

This?

Kiss All Hell’s Breakin’ Loose

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:32:47am

re: #374 Dr. Matt

So if/when Hillary wins, is Bill’s title “First Spouse”, “First Man”, “First Lad”…..?

First Willard

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:32:48am

re: #429 Teukka

Could we get a song from a better band? The Nordics have Metal Bands that blow KISS right out of the water, surely one of them have a song that would be equivalent?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:33:00am

re: #430 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Hehehehe, First Willy.

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:33:28am

re: #414 Targetpractice

Considering the animosity towards the woman, I can’t say as I see this as a negative.

It’s a tacit admission of guilt.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:34:05am

re: #406 Eventual Carrion

The “duck ad cover” drills at school really broke up the day. Sometimes they would march us all into the gym and into the respective boys and girls locker room and crouch down in line against the interior wall. Guess that was safer, or just put everyone closer together for easier counting of ash piles.

By the time my kids were in school, they kept the same “Fire Drill” and “Air Raid Drill” procedures in place, but “Air Raid” became “Tornado”

Now that their kids are in school, “Shelter in Place” drills have been added.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:34:14am

re: #419 FormerDirtDart

You know, I would almost be willing to give him a pass on this one…
Except for the damn week (plus) long ragegasm by the RW media/talking heads just one month ago

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Showing again why I don’t have any use for the LP. They just don’t get a lot of things.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:35:03am

re: #421 Ziggy_TARDIS

If I am reading this right, a Former US General just retweeted, and approved a virulently Anti-Semitic Tweet.

The hell is going on.

And people wonder why he got fired as Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:35:23am

re: #424 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Malik lives in Kenya.

ex-Marylander, though.

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Alyosha  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:35:28am

re: #431 Ziggy_TARDIS

Dethklok - Awaken

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:35:29am

re: #416 darthstar

He’s ALWAYS been behind defeating Trump. It’s not his fault the DNC colluded with the media and Clinton campaign to put an asterisk on an otherwise historical nomination.

And he has a right to call for DWS’s resignation. Doesn’t negate his endorsement of Hillary.

Jesus Christ. You actually believe that?

Fuck. Me.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:35:38am

re: #432 Ziggy_TARDIS

Hehehehe, First Willy.

That was his nickname for his little friend…

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Jenner7  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:36:20am

Wow. Still digesting “It’s not his fault the DNC colluded with the media and Clinton campaign to put an asterisk on an otherwise historical nomination.”

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Jenner7  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:38:26am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:40:26am

re: #437 Decatur Deb

ex-Marylander, though.

Ah, OK

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Lidane  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:40:39am

Truth:

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KerFuFFler  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:41:17am

re: #246 Decatur Deb

The point of the CIA research was that they were far more dangerous when genuinely frightened than when just being expansionist. There is military folklore that this didn’t go hot only because a mid-ranking Soviet officer violated his orders.

My dad was stationed at Fort Meade working for the NSA during the Cuban missile crisis. He sent my mom, my sister and me to Guadalajara for a while because living so close to DC seemed very dangerous to him. He told me that he was not alone in sending his family packing.

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:41:36am

re: #433 MsJ

It’s a tacit admission of guilt.

She drops out, it’s an admission of guilt. She does nothing, they insist she’s refusing to take responsibility. Either way, it is bad for Zathras.

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Lidane  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:42:05am
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No Depression  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:42:06am

re: #410 Targetpractice

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I still have problems with Bernie, his concession came as a bit of a surprise to me, but I’m happy to see that he’s now behind defeating Trump.

Bernie’s doing a lot to make up for all the shit he pulled during the campaign. I’ve forgiven and forgotten, and I’m glad he’s on the team.

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Jenner7  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:42:49am

BTW, Hillary won by bigger margins than Obama in 2008. She won more votes. This wasn’t close. And I don’t want to hear that he was polling 8 in the beginning. Yeah, that’s because it was before the primary even started. Of course he’s going to go up in the polls. If that’s your high bar for your candidate, then that’s really sad.

Sorry, but this bull shit pisses me off. Bernie had every opportunity to beat Hillary. He had the money, he switched parties, he even had YUGE rallies.

HE LOST. He didn’t lose because of a DNC staffer suggested, in an email, to go after his religion. He lost because Hillary was the better candidate.

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Tigger2  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:42:50am

re: #317 Nyet

Freedom of press for me but not for thee.

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jaunte  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:42:53am

re: #444 Lidane

He and Martin Shkreli could be brothers.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:43:23am

re: #447 Lidane

I heard there was some controversy about him in Kenya. Couldn’t find anything on it.

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dangerman  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:43:46am

re: #449 Jenner7

BTW, Hillary won by bigger margins than Obama in 2008. She won more votes. This wasn’t close. And I don’t want to hear that he was polling 8 in the beginning. Yeah, that’s because it was before the primary even started. Of course he’s going to go up in the polls. If that’s your high bar for your candidate, then that’s really sad.

Sorry, but this bull shit pisses me off. Bernie had every opportunity to beat Hillary. He had the money, he switched parties, he even had YUGE rallies.

HE LOST. He didn’t lose because of a DNC staffer suggested to go after his religion. He lost because Hillary was the better candidate.

He lost cause headcount

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Lidane  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:44:14am

Mental health break from all the Trump failure:

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JasonA  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:44:24am
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:44:52am

re: #435 HappyWarrior

Showing again why I don’t have any use for the LP. They just don’t get a lot of things.

Yeah, it’s not like a month ago her name was mentioned a couple of times by every news broadcast TV & radio in the country, or that her name/face (& life story) was likely on the cover of every newspaper in the country…

It’s not like, you know, someone asking who Gary Johnson is…

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:47:23am

re: #452 Ziggy_TARDIS

I heard there was some controversy about him in Kenya. Couldn’t find anything on it.

Controversy is his ecological niche.

nypost.com

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(((The Engineer Lobuno)))  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:47:28am

re: #449 Jenner7

BTW, Hillary won by bigger margins than Obama in 2008. She won more votes. This wasn’t close. And I don’t want to hear that he was polling 8 in the beginning. Yeah, that’s because it was before the primary even started. Of course he’s going to go up in the polls. If that’s your high bar for your candidate, then that’s really sad.

Sorry, but this bull shit pisses me off. Bernie had every opportunity to beat Hillary. He had the money, he switched parties, he even had YUGE rallies.

HE LOST. He didn’t lose because of a DNC staffer suggested to go after his religion. He lost because Hillary was the better candidate.

He wasn’t close enough for that sort of attack to have a meaningful impact.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:47:34am

re: #456 FormerDirtDart

Yeah, it’s not like a month ago her name was mentioned a couple of times by every news broadcast TV & radio in the country, or that her name/face (& life story) was likely on the cover of every newspaper in the country…

It’s not like, you know, someone asking who Gary Johnson is…

It’s also not like a name you might have seen if you had paid attention in school…

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Alyosha  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:47:52am
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jaunte  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:48:50am

Help Stem The Plague Of Resting Douchebag Face

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:48:56am

re: #457 Decatur Deb

Guy seems to be total dirtbag. But every family has one.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:50:07am

Strange that the RNC or GOP players have never been hacked but the DNC, HIllary, and all the way back to climate researchers in Britain, they’ve all been hacked.

It could be because the obviously inept GOP just happened to pick right on their OpSec tools and protocols. Maybe they’ve been targeted by not successfully hacked. Maybe they’ve never been targets.

Something to think about.

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Dark_Falcon  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:50:21am

re: #317 Nyet

Freedom of press for me but not for thee.

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What a performance of the Butthurt Fandango by Julian Assange. You can barely see the strings being pulled by the FSB.

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(((The Engineer Lobuno)))  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:51:23am

re: #460 Alyosha

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Random thought: Reid should pay for the license of Jaws theme song and play it every time she talks about Wiki Leaks and Trump.

(To go with the common joke that lawyers are sharks …)

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:52:30am

re: #454 Lidane

It’s the real deal, too:
startribune.com

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calochortus  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:55:43am

re: #331 Pawn of the Oppressor

Bait him, and ask for specifics.

“Our allies should carry their weight!”
“So if NATO becomes pay to play, how does, say, Estonia… ‘Pay’ us? How does that work exactly?”
*a minute of bloviating later*
“Donald, you haven’t answered my question…”
“I don’t need to answer, I’ll have great people, smart people!”

Seriously though, I hope H & Co. have the good sense to hire some smart guys, the best guys (or gals) to create a full speech profile on DT, and find a way to trigger him into driving right off the cliff, all by himself.

I wonder if DT would skip the debates because he doesn’t need to do them.

For one thing Estonia “paid us” by showing up for the Iraq War. It may have been a crappy war, but they honored their treaty obligations. Not that Trump would care.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:57:05am

re: #465 (((The Engineer Lobuno)))

Random thought: Reid should pay for the license of Jaws theme song and play it every time she talks about Wiki Leaks and Trump.

(To go with the common joke that lawyers are sharks …)

Typo? I think you mean “Rachel”.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:58:22am

re: #467 calochortus

For one thing Estonia “paid us” by showing up for the Iraq War. It may have been a crappy war, but they honored their treaty obligations. Not that Trump would care.

Are you suggesting that more Estonians have bled for America than have Trumps?

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calochortus  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:59:12am

re: #469 Decatur Deb

Are you suggesting that more Estonians have bled for America than have Trumps?

Something like that. I like the way you put it.

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Alyosha  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:59:57am

re: #469 Decatur Deb

Are you suggesting that more Estonians have bled for America than have Trumps?

Part of ‘Old Europe’ now.

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b_sharp  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:02:00am

re: #461 jaunte

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Help Stem The Plague Of Resting Douchebag Face

Rich kids without empathy or consciences, but loads of arrogance and entitlement.

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Alyosha  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:06:47am

re: #472 b_sharp

Rich kids without empathy or consciences, but loads of arrogance and entitlement.

The Carsonian wages of affluence. Poor kids.

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calochortus  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:08:48am

Meanwhile, the farmers’ market beckons. BBL

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Jenner7  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:11:30am

Good.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:17:10am

re: #454 Lidane

Mental health break from all the Trump failure:

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Sounds like someone who enjoyed life.

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Jenner7  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:20:51am
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:23:22am

So, I just found this, about Queen Elizabeth II.

A connection from Muhammad,[10] entering the British line through Infanta Isabella of Castile (shown in the first chart), has been endorsed by Burke’s Peerage The connection hinges on Zaida of Seville, who, for this connection to be true, needs to be daughter, wife and mother, respectively, of King Al-Mu’tamid ibn Abbad of Seville, King Alfonso VI of León and Castile and Sancha Alfónsez (wife of Rodrigo González de Lara). This line goes through Maria of Portugal (shown under Byzantine connection above). Other lines of descent from Muhammad go through María de Padilla (shown under Byzantine connection above), Isabella of Barcelos (shown under Ancestry of Diana Spencer and Catherine Middleton above) and the wife of Anselm Franz, 2nd Prince of Thurn and Taxis (father-in-law of Charles Alexander, Duke of Württemberg, patrilineal ancestor of Mary of Teck).

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:23:27am

re: #477 Jenner7

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Further proof that Trump is wholly unqualified for the position he seeks. The last thing the United States of America - and indeed, the world - needa is a man who insistently talks out of his ass sitting in 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

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No Depression  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:27:07am

I can’t help but laugh at the Putin apologists on the far-left accusing people who bring up the connections between Trump and Russia of red-baiting. The USSR’s been dead for 25 years, dumbfucks!

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jeffreyw  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:28:07am

Getting on towards lunchtime here in the Heartland.

Imgur

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:28:11am

re: #480 No Depression

I can’t help but laugh at the Putin apologists on the far-left accusing people who bring up the connections between Trump and Russia of red-baiting. The USSR’s been dead for 25 years, dumbfucks!

Which is why it is totally off-base to think of Putin in terms of a “new Cold War”.

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lawhawk  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:28:12am

Everywhere you turn with the Trump campaign, you see white supremacists coming out of the shadows and being quoted/tweeted affirmatively.

This is a feature, not a bug of the Trump campaign. It’s the mainstreaming of the bigot brigade:

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SoundGuy 2016  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:29:03am

re: #481 jeffreyw

Dayum that looks yummerz.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:30:49am

re: #484 SoundGuy 2016

Dayum that looks yummerz.

I just wrote to my girlfriend and reminded her to fetch her sandwich maker home from work (she got it as a birthday present and has not brought it home yet)

I wants me one of them sammiches!

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jeffreyw  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:31:24am

re: #484 SoundGuy 2016

Thanks! I pulled that out of the archive. Pretty sure it’s roast pork, provolone, and fresh jalapeno.

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No Depression  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:33:42am

re: #482 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Which is why it is totally off-base to think of Putin in terms of a “new Cold War”.

Typically you need huge ideological differences between countries undergoing geopolitical tensions for it to rise to the level of a Cold War (think Capitalism vs Communism for the West vs. USSR + China or Pan-Arab Socialism vs Monarchism in the Middle East during the 50s). There isn’t that between the US and Russia, as Russia is basically what the US would be if the corporatists and the dominionists on the right teamed up and gained power.

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Jenner7  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:35:57am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:37:23am

re: #487 No Depression

Typically you need huge ideological differences between countries undergoing geopolitical tensions for it to rise to the level of a Cold War (think Capitalism vs Communism for the West vs. USSR + China or Pan-Arab Socialism vs Monarchism in the Middle East during the 50s). There isn’t that between the US and Russia, as Russia is basically what the US would be if the corporatists and the dominionists on the right teamed up and gained power.

And they are not interested in World Domination, but they are interested in reincorporating all the native Russians living beyond their borders.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:38:10am

re: #483 lawhawk

Feature, not bug.
Feature, not bug.

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No Depression  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:38:50am

re: #489 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And they are not interested in World Domination, but they are interested in reincorporating all the native Russians living beyond their borders.

Exactly. And that’s a problem for us because of our long-standing commitment to NATO.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:40:39am

re: #491 No Depression

Exactly. And that’s a problem for us because of our long-standing commitment to NATO.

It is something a lot of people are not aware of. Those Russians living in the other Soviet republics used to be a pampered minority, receiving preference in jobs, housing and education.

Now they are often discriminated against, and that breeds a lot of resentment and desire to come “heim ins Reich”

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Interesting Times  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:41:28am

re: #356 MsJ

Trump is not going to debate.

With respect, how did your prediction of him being ousted at the GOP convention turn out? ;)

(srsly tho, I’m going to predict he’ll debate her at least once…but if his bullying bluster backfires and he gets humiliated instead, *then* he’ll skip out on subsequent debates (too busy conducting fraudulent fundraisers for veterans and all that))

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Lidane  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:41:32am
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:45:33am
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MsJ  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:46:16am

re: #493 Interesting Times

With respect, how did your prediction of him being ousted at the GOP convention turn out? ;)

(srsly tho, I’m going to predict he’ll debate her at least once…but if his bullying bluster backfires and he gets humiliated instead, *then* he’ll skip out on subsequent debates (too busy conducting fraudulent fundraisers for veterans and all that))

Point made. :-)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:46:33am

re: #483 lawhawk

Everywhere you turn with the Trump campaign, you see white supremacists coming out of the shadows and being quoted/tweeted affirmatively.

This is a feature, not a bug of the Trump campaign. It’s the mainstreaming of the bigot brigade:

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Well, it looks like Trump dodged a bullet there.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:47:29am

Edit - don’t #PANIC

see below

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:48:41am

re: #495 FormerDirtDart

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I see this new government is off to a smashing start already.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:49:28am

re: #498 Stanley Sea

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Stanley Sea  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:52:35am

re: #498 Stanley Sea

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:52:50am

re: #500 FormerDirtDart

It’s when shit like this happens that this needs to be remembered…

The Newsroom EP4 - Giffords shooting / Fix You

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Skip Intro  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:53:16am

re: #501 Stanley Sea

Waiting for Trump’s tweet blaming Hillary.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:54:25am
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Stanley Sea  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:56:49am
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Lidane  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:57:31am
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Great White Snark  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:05:46am

re: #501 Stanley Sea

Tears of relief perhaps…

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Lidane  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:11:31am
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Jenner7  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:11:32am
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jaunte  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:12:28am
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CuriousLurker  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:12:47am

*SIGH* Here we go again, Syrian asylum seeker this time. Not gonna excerpt the article because it’s only three short paragraphs:

Man kills woman with machete in Germany, is arrested - The Washington Post

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allegro  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:14:54am

Wow, finally made it to the end of a thread while it’s still active! My summer has been nutso and I extend a yoooooge Thank You to you guys for keeping me so well informed. I’ve missed so much stuff as it has happened but know I can come here, read the threads, and get right up to date. LGF is a treasure! Thank you Charles and all who make this such a valuable resource.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:15:12am

re: #510 jaunte

Chapman is a good follow. He’s relentlessly on point with little snark or insult.

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ObserverArt  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:17:40am

re: #372 jaunte

This Week ✔ @ThisWeekABC
Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort tells @GStephanopoulos Trump’s NATO comment “wasn’t a mistake.” #ThisWeek
9:31 AM - 24 Jul 2016
160 160 Retweets 73 73 likes

I’m not comfortable with this mercenary.

No one should be!

Manafort makes Reince Priebus look like a choir boy and Corey Lewandowski a monk.

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CuriousLurker  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:21:42am

re: #511 CuriousLurker

FWIW, he got into an argument with the woman and none of the articles I read mentioned him screaming “Allahu Akbar” or anything like that (◔_◔), nor is any motive yet known. Still, he’s Syrian so he’ll be a terrorist no matter what for some.

Speaking of terrorism, there’s a pretty good article at the NYT Times about labels:

Terrorist or Disturbed Loner? Munich Attack Reveals Shifting Labels

WASHINGTON — Munich’s police chief, Hubertus Andrä, the morning after a gunman killed nine people and then himself, offered two pieces of information that seemed at odds.

The massacre, he said, appeared likely to be “a shooting rampage” rather than an act of terrorism. But when asked about Anders Behring Breivik, the right-wing Norwegian terrorist who killed 77 people exactly five years earlier, Chief Andrä answered that “this connection is obvious.”

“We must assume that he was aware of this attack,” he said, referring to the Munich gunman, 18-year-old Ali Sonboly.

Information about Mr. Sonboly is still emerging. But regardless of what details surface, Mr. Andrä’s classification of the attack — as potentially inspired by a famous terrorist attack, yet not terrorism itself — reflects more than the increasingly blurry line between mass assailant and terrorist.

It also highlights that this line is often drawn differently depending on the attacker’s apparent ideology.

When mass killers show even minor hints of affinity for jihadist groups, as they did in recent attacks in Orlando, Fla., and Nice, France, their actions are swiftly judged to be terrorism. But when their source of inspiration appears to be right-wing extremism, as Mr. Andrä speculated could be the case in Munich, they are often treated as disturbed loners. […]

nytimes.com

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:23:07am
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CuriousLurker  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:24:12am

*Looks around…* Okay, never mind. Later.

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JasonA  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:24:29am
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JasonA  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:26:18am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:27:29am

my internet connection this afternoon is ranging anywhere from 1.3 KBs to 11.9 KBs.

good grief…

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Lidane  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:31:55am

LOL

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:32:42am

re: #518 JasonA

Good to see that’s getting out there into the infosphere.

Next: Donald Trump is Putin’s stooge in the USA. That’s gotta get out there.

Granted, the hardcore Trumpers will find that to be a feature, not a bug. But I think the average American won’t look too kindly on that.

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ObserverArt  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:36:24am

re: #434 The Vicious Babushka

By the time my kids were in school, they kept the same “Fire Drill” and “Air Raid Drill” procedures in place, but “Air Raid” became “Tornado”

Now that their kids are in school, “Shelter in Place” drills have been added.

I remember these signs on our school building.

And it makes me wonder if they exist at all anymore. I can’t remember the last time I saw these signs.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:36:32am

re: #521 Lidane

LOL

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Please proceed, gruppenfuhrer.

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stpaulbear  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:36:52am

re: #521 Lidane

LOL

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New Yorkers LOVE me!!

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ObserverArt  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:41:14am

re: #449 Jenner7

BTW, Hillary won by bigger margins than Obama in 2008. She won more votes. This wasn’t close. And I don’t want to hear that he was polling 8 in the beginning. Yeah, that’s because it was before the primary even started. Of course he’s going to go up in the polls. If that’s your high bar for your candidate, then that’s really sad.

Sorry, but this bull shit pisses me off. Bernie had every opportunity to beat Hillary. He had the money, he switched parties, he even had YUGE rallies.

HE LOST. He didn’t lose because of a DNC staffer suggested, in an email, to go after his religion. He lost because Hillary was the better candidate.

I want a release of all of Jeff Weaver’s emails to Bernie Sanders.

I bet they would never allow that would they? I bet there was every bit of political malarkey in some of those communications too.

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ObserverArt  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:47:37am

re: #475 Jenner7

Mark Murray ✔ @mmurraypolitics
Bottom line from the @chucktodd interview: Sanders isn’t pulling a Ted Cruz on Monday. Firmly in Clinton’s corner
11:06 AM - 24 Jul 2016
132 132 Retweets 201 201 likes

Good.

I think Bernie will be fine…might rattle the cage a bit.

What concerns me are the BernieBros that sound like they want to have a pretty good demonstration in Philly. And how much mucking around Trump rats have in all that.

If there are any big protests, as compared to Cleveland, our fine media will turn it into a thing.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:49:55am
One close Clinton ally said the hope is that Wasserman Schultz would get the message and leave her position before the convention kicks off Monday. “But she is stubborn,” the Clinton ally said.

[…]

“She seems oblivious to the volcano that will erupt if she walked into that [convention] hall,” said a veteran Democratic operative, who added that as of Sunday morning, Wasserman Schultz believed the uproar would pass. “Forty percent of the people in that hall didn’t like her to begin with. She was going to get booed before all this.”

Arrogant and stupid is no way to go through life, Debbie.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:57:14am

re: #528 Nyet

Arrogant and stupid is no way to go through life, Debbie.

I get the impression the Clinton campaign is frustrated by her too.

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CuriousLurker  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:57:18am

re: #528 Nyet

She’s already been replaced according to NPR.

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allegro  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:58:35am

This election has to be worth a chapter or two in some psychological volume. The newcomers to national politics, the Trumps and Sanders, all became big-headed blowhards entirely too impressed with theirownselves (OK the Trumps started out that way but bear with me). They’ve been all about rah rah rallies, applause and See How Everybody Loves Me and shit. They are all form, no function.

And then there’s Hillary. Working for The Job. Actually wanting that job and doing what it takes to get that job. She has prepared for it for a lifetime. Her choice of Kaine as her running mate - a worker, a doer who puts action behind words, just like her - further makes the statement that it’s the job that motivates, not the title and applause.

How this could be a contest I just can’t even

532
HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:58:42am

re: #526 ObserverArt

I want a release of all of Jeff Weaver’s emails to Bernie Sanders.

I bet they would never allow that would they? I bet there was every bit of political malarkey in some of those communications too.

No doubt. Anyhow Bernie and key members of Bernie’s team aren’t pissed. They understand it’s not personal, only business.

533
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:59:55am
534
CuriousLurker  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:00:12am

re: #530 CuriousLurker

535
A Cranky One  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:01:35am

re: #523 ObserverArt

I remember these signs on our school building.

And it makes me wonder if they exist at all anymore. I can’t remember the last time I saw these signs.

Embedded Image

I don’t know if the actual shelters still exist, but I found a bunch of the signs for sale at a surplus store. Bought one for my man cave. Helps me remember what times were like when I was a kid, with school drills to duck and cover under our desks to protect us in case of a nuclear attack (as if it would actually protect us).

536
Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:01:38am

re: #530 CuriousLurker

No, it’s about her being the head of the DNC. I agree with Axelrod et al. that she should leave and not be a distraction.

537
PhillyPretzel  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:01:45am

Oh gee the DNC has their problems too. ::: eyeroll :::

538
Jenner7  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:02:08am

Just get rid of her and be done with it. Yeesh.

539
CuriousLurker  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:02:39am

re: #533 Backwoods_Sleuth

WTF, are the news orgs not checking anything??

Somebody has to be getting it wrong. They can’t both be right—she’s either been replaced or she hasn’t, FFS.

540
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:03:29am

re: #539 CuriousLurker

WTF, are the news orgs not checking anything??

Somebody has to be getting it wrong. They can’t both be right—she’s either been replaced or she hasn’t, FFS.

It’s just nutz

541
ObserverArt  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:04:50am

re: #539 CuriousLurker

WTF, are the news orgs not checking anything??

Somebody has to be getting it wrong. They can’t both be right—she’s either been replaced or she hasn’t, FFS.

If you don’t know the story…make it up.

It’s not a news room anymore it is creative writing class.

And then wring all the drama out of it you can.

542
Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:05:07am

re: #539 CuriousLurker

Frank says she was never going to be a permanent chair. Bureaucracy makes my head hurt.

543
Jenner7  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:05:35am

So, Fudge is just presiding over convention, but DWS is still chair.

544
CuriousLurker  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:06:46am

re: #536 Nyet

No, it’s about her being the head of the DNC. I agree with Axelrod et al. that she should leave and not be a distraction.

I see, you were talking about the committee, not the convention. It’s the convention that everyone is screeching about on Twitter at the moment.

545
Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:07:38am

re: #544 CuriousLurker

Yeah, the convention thing seems to be a done deal, now is the next step - cutting her off entirely.

546
PhillyPretzel  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:07:48am

It is on the front page of the WSJ. I have not seen it on the NYT.

wsj.com

nytimes.com

547
CuriousLurker  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:08:05am

re: #537 PhillyPretzel

Oh gee the DNC has their problems too. ::: eyeroll :::

HRC needs to start kicking ass & taking names so things don’t get out of control.

548
dangerman  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:08:42am

re: #531 allegro

This election has to be worth a chapter or two in some psychological volume. The newcomers to national politics, the Trumps and Sanders, all became big-headed blowhards entirely too impressed with theirownselves (OK the Trumps started out that way but bear with me). They’ve been all about rah rah rallies, applause and See How Everybody Loves Me and shit. They are all form, no function.

And then there’s Hillary. Working for The Job. Actually wanting that job and doing what it takes to get that job. She has prepared for it for a lifetime. Her choice of Kaine as her running mate - a worker, a doer who puts action behind words, just like her - further makes the statement that it’s the job that motivates, not the title and applause.

How this could be a contest I just can’t even

this
many times over

and i think as things get closer the comparison will become more and more stark.

competence and experience and a positive vision vs I’m not sure exactly what

549
Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:09:10am

I understand that it is galling to her that Bernie will be speaking there and she won’t. Such is life, heh.

550
HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:10:06am

Her being chosen as party chair was a mistake by Obama.

551
KingKenrod  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:11:47am

Hey gasbag, let’s see what the RNC was saying about you.

552
Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:12:18am

re: #535 A Cranky One

..with school drills to duck and cover under our desks to protect us in case of a nuclear attack (as if it would actually protect us).

Depends.

ebay.com

553
KingKenrod  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:15:34am

I guess Trump’s outreach to Bernie Bros is over.

554
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:16:19am

re: #515 CuriousLurker

FWIW, he got into an argument with the woman and none of the articles I read mentioned him screaming “Allahu Akbar” or anything like that (◔_◔), nor is any motive yet known. Still, he’s Syrian so he’ll be a terrorist no matter what for some.

Speaking of terrorism, there’s a pretty good article at the NYT Times about labels:

I thought he was of Iranian descent. Born and raised in Germany. And an outsider and loner and more than a bit of a disturbed personality.

555
A Cranky One  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:16:45am

re: #552 Decatur Deb

Depends.

Embedded Image

ebay.com

Wow, never saw one of those before. Interesting.

But I grew up in a military family and so tended to live in primary target areas. A bit scary in retrospect.

556
Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:17:34am

re: #553 KingKenrod

Thing is… many of them think the same thing now. They’re disappointed in Bernie. So that’s playing to those feelings.

557
Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:19:01am

re: #555 A Cranky One

Wow, never saw one of those before. Interesting.

But I grew up in a military family and so tended to live in primary target areas. A bit scary in retrospect.

After the wall fell I was able to find out what was dedicated to our little base in Italy. Nothing like growing up in Steel City, Pittsburgh.

558
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:19:37am

re: #535 A Cranky One

I don’t know if the actual shelters still exist, but I found a bunch of the signs for sale at a surplus store. Bought one for my man cave. Helps me remember what times were like when I was a kid, with school drills to duck and cover under our desks to protect us in case of a nuclear attack (as if it would actually protect us).

Germany had a lot of them. They were reconverted after the end of the cold war to storage facilities.

559
sagehen  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:19:38am

re: #535 A Cranky One

I don’t know if the actual shelters still exist, but I found a bunch of the signs for sale at a surplus store. Bought one for my man cave. Helps me remember what times were like when I was a kid, with school drills to duck and cover under our desks to protect us in case of a nuclear attack (as if it would actually protect us).

I had teachers who admitted that duck and cover wouldn’t do squat against a nuke, but was worth practicing anyway for earthquakes.

560
SoundGuy 2016  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:20:23am

re: #552 Decatur Deb

This one more funnerz:
nuclearsecrecy.com

561
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:21:24am

re: #553 KingKenrod

I guess Trump’s outreach to Bernie Bros is over.

There is no longer a Bernie Sanders “political revolution.” He is turning out to be a weak and somewhat pathetic figure,wants it all to end!

Not at all, he is reaching out to their revolution, man…Bernie has let them down, but DT won’t!!!

562
Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:21:41am

re: #555 A Cranky One

Wow, never saw one of those before. Interesting.

But I grew up in a military family and so tended to live in primary target areas. A bit scary in retrospect.

That slide rule was made obsolete by the 60s-era FADAC nuke module which became obsolete with the Texas Instruments TI-59 hand-held.

563
CuriousLurker  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:21:57am

re: #554 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That was yesterday’s guy, this is a new one. He “only” killed one person.

564
Teukka  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:22:12am

re: #552 Decatur Deb

Depends.

[Embedded content]

ebay.com

When you see the big bright flash, you begin counting, noting when the flash fades and then how long before the shockwave hits. This gives you the yield of the explosion as well as your distance to it.

565
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:23:49am

re: #563 CuriousLurker

That was yesterday’s guy, this is a new one. He “only” killed one person.

aha…of course I forgot: new day, new shooter.

566
Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:24:52am

re: #559 sagehen

I had teachers who admitted that duck and cover wouldn’t do squat against a nuke, but was worth practicing anyway for earthquakes.

It depends are where you were. On the fringe of a target duck and cover would save some lives out of N.

Trump/Pence 2016—Bring back Duck and Cover.

567
CuriousLurker  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:25:37am

re: #565 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

aha…of course I forgot: new day, new shooter.

Chopper. He did it with a machete. Amateur. //

568
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:26:33am

re: #567 CuriousLurker

Chopper. He did it with a machete. Amateur. //

Well, now the Right Wingers in Germany can get back to talking about the “refugee threat”…

569
CuriousLurker  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:27:50am

re: #568 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Well, now the Right Wingers in Germany can get back to talking about the “refugee threat”…

Did they ever stop? I know the ones here didn’t. ಠ_ಠ

570
SoundGuy 2016  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:28:21am

Trop Storm Darby has been sort of a dud. Nice to get some rain though. Sunrise was dark pink/orange, pretty cool. Now it’s cool and grey.

This can mean only one thing. Coffee.

571
A Cranky One  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:34:44am

re: #557 Decatur Deb

We were living in Hof, Germany when Kennedy was assassinated. Hof was the military base closest to Berlin (the last stop on the autobahn before you entered East Germany). From our back yard we would occasionally see lights and hear explosions/gunfire from the border fence in the distance, when a crossing/escape was attempted.

Kennedy’s assassination was one of the scariest events in my life. All the adults were terrified although they tried desperately to not let it show to us kids. If a war started, we were literally on the front line; Hof was directly in the path of any Warsaw pact attack. And there was nowhere to go.

(edit to fix typo)

572
makeitstop  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:38:31am

Man, Josh’s article seems to be everywhere today.

Can broadcast media really ignore this? Are they that craven? (Pl don’t answer, thx)

573
Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:39:20am

re: #571 A Cranky One

We were living in Hof, Germany when Kennedy was assassinated. Hof was the military base closest to Berlin (the last stop on the autobahn before you entered East Germany). From our back yard we would occasionally see lights and hear explosions/gunfire from the border fence in the distance, when a crossing/escape was attempted.

Kennedy’s assassination was one of the scariest events in my life. All the adults were terrified although they tried desperately to not let it show to us kids. If a war started, we were literally on the front line; Hof was directly in the path of any Warsaw pact attack. And there was no where to go.

Wife was an Army brat in Vilseck then. Much practicing of Non-combatant Evac and releasing of pets. They were supposed to find their way to Cherbourg. Easy-Peasy.

574
Jay C  Jul 24, 2016 • 2:31:30pm

re: #564 Teukka

When you see the big bright flash, you begin counting, noting when the flash fades and then how long before the shockwave hits. This gives you the yield of the explosion as well as your distance to it.

Assuming, of corse, that you are still alive to work the calculator..


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