Hilarious Video: Donald and Ivanka Trump Stress Out Over the Teleprompters at the RNC

“Is this the podium?”
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So good. After years of attacking President Obama and implying he’s not very smart for using a teleprompter, here’s Donald Trump and his daughter Ivanka stressing out over their teleprompters and nit-picking tiny details about the fonts.

At one point Trump gets upset because his tech adviser uses the words “patching in.” That means something can go wrong, you see, and he doesn’t want anything to go wrong, so the proper words must be used. He doesn’t like the word “patching in.” It’s similar to his insistence that we have to use the words “radical Islamic terrorism” or we can’t possibly win. Magical thinking.

And then there’s the moment when Ivanka asks, “Is this the podium?” and reaches out and thumps the podium, which is the only podium on the stage. Yes, that’s it.

It doesn’t get any better than this.

There’s a little more of this hilarity here: cbsnews.com

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dangerman  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:16:30pm

In case anyone cares. House got an angioplasty today. “Everythings” flowing downhill once again

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geoduck  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:19:38pm

Which brings up the question… who released this footage and why. Were they trying to help or hurt Trump by doing so?

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gocart mozart  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:20:58pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:23:28pm
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jaunte  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:23:34pm

I see Manafort is the one who assures Ivanka (calling on his experience advising Yanukovych, no doubt) that this indeed is the podium.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:23:36pm

re: #3 gocart mozart

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He took a lot of those cases on for free too even though I imagine he had a lot of student debts to pay off. Kaine played a huge role in racial reconciliation in Richmond but because his record isn’t as pure as a certain someone from a bright blue state that’s not good enough.

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Lidane  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:24:09pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:25:07pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

As I said downstairs: Thank Jesus she didn’t breed like the Duggars.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:26:03pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:26:11pm

re: #7 Lidane

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Proving the circular ideological spectrum correct.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:28:17pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Proving the circular ideological spectrum correct.

It’s because of the patching in… The patching in ruins everything!!

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:29:11pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Proving the circular ideological spectrum correct.

Time to review whether Wikileaks is leftist. Made up my mind about Greenwald a year or so ago.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:29:46pm

Follow @joshtpm right now.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:29:51pm

re: #12 Decatur Deb

Time to review whether Wikileaks is leftist. Made up my mind about Greenwald a year or so ago.

I never considered them either leftist or rightist but rather shitstirrist.

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Joe Bacon  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:31:09pm

re: #7 Lidane

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And how many of those Sandernistas are really operatives for Roger Stone?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:32:17pm

re: #15 Joe Bacon

And how many of those Sandernistas are really operatives for Roger Stone?

I think some of them are true believers. But I wouldn’t put it pass an old Nixon hack like Stone to have some stir up shit.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:34:31pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:36:15pm

I ultimately feel the left is its own worst enemy sometimes. Strong ideals are great. I have a lot of strong ideals but I know I am not going to get everything I want. ACA wasn’t perfect legislation I concede for example but did it in fact insure more Americans? Yes, it has. And Obama has fixed a lot of the bad relations caused by the previous administration’s contempt for diplomacy. And he’s been by far the most progressive president ever on LGBT rights. Will I have some disappointments with Clinton? I’m certain I will but will I see things that never would have even been considered in a Trump presidency? Yes, and that’s why I’ll take whatever problems I may have with Clinton and realize the big picture here.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:36:56pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

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It’s kind of like how Alex Jones is scared of “elites” but he has Mr. Moneybags constantly as a guest.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:38:24pm

re: #19 HappyWarrior

It’s kind of like how Alex Jones is scared of “elites” but he has Mr. Moneybags constantly as a guest.

One fact disproves all of Alex Jones’ conspiracy theories: Alex Jones isn’t dead.

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Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:38:39pm

re: #3 gocart mozart

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Whereas Trump chose to commit housing discrimination.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:39:20pm

re: #20 Decatur Deb

One fact disproves all of Alex Jones’ conspiracy theories: Alex Jones isn’t dead.

Ha! I’ve made a similar joke myself.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:39:39pm

re: #21 Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)

Whereas Trump chose to commit housing discrimination.

They really need to do an ad about that. They really do.

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TK-421  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:44:27pm
Is this a telephone?
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Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:47:23pm
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Tigger2  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:47:26pm
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whitebeach  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:48:04pm

re: #24 TK-421

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The test of a president is the call that comes at three o’clock in the afternoon.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:49:40pm

And now, Chuck C. Johnson with Barack Obama’s estranged half-brother Malik.

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CuriousLurker  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:49:40pm

Fuck it, I can’t take any more of this bullshit. I’m going to bed.

Germany blast: Syrian migrant ‘behind Ansbach explosion’

A failed asylum seeker from Syria killed himself and injured 12 other people after setting off a bomb near an open-air music festival in the German city of Ansbach, officials say.

Bavaria’s interior minister said the 27-year-old man detonated a backpack device after being refused entry to the festival in the southern city.

About 2,500 people were evacuated from the venue after the explosion.

It is the third attack in the state of Bavaria in a week. […]

bbc.com

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Teukka  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:50:27pm

re: #29 CuriousLurker

Fuck it, I can’t take any more of this bullshit. I’m going to bed.

FUCK.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:51:31pm

re: #26 Tigger2

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And Sanders I think gets that. He knows they weren’t exactly charitable to the DNC either. I’m actually really impressed with how Bernie is taking this. His diehards crying over it or suggesting that Clinton’s nomination be stopped because of it need to listen to him.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:52:03pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

And now, Chuck C. Johnson with Barack Obama’s estranged half-brother Malik.

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What in the name of fuck.

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TK-421  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:52:33pm

“Is this comic sans?” ~Ivanka

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ElaineBenis  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:55:25pm

re: #7 Lidane

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FWIW

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KGxvi  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:57:22pm

One of the few downsides of being single is that cooking is always a bit complicated. Very few recipes are designed for one person. So I tend to do things like cook something on Sunday that covers my dinner for the rest of the week. This week it is lasagna:

Instagram

Homemade #lasagna #andyetimstillsingle #yesicancook

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Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:57:23pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:57:46pm

re: #34 ElaineBenis

FWIW

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Why am I not shocked.

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teleskiguy  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:57:53pm

But but but, I thought The Donald™ thinks climate change is a hoax!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 24, 2016 • 8:58:57pm

Automatic update still not working in Firefox. I’ve since rebooted the whole system—well, it rebooted itself like it does about one time in four that I open the lid….

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Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:00:47pm

The new Berniebro talking point is that white supremacism and racism are already normal in America, so there’s nothing new about Donald Trump bringing it into the mainstream.

Apparently this is supposed to make us feel better about them not supporting Hillary Clinton, because hey, what’s the difference?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:02:01pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

The new Berniebro talking point is that white supremacism and racism are already normal in America, so there’s nothing new about Donald Trump bringing it into the mainstream.

Apparently this is supposed to make us feel better about them not supporting Hillary Clinton, because hey, what’s the difference?

Their entitlement bullshit pisses me off.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:04:31pm

It’s too late to worry about Bernie Sanders. If he was going to avoid damaging the anti-fascist effort he missed that chance a couple months ago. He’s lost control of events and his people. Ignore them and press on.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:05:22pm

re: #39 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I checked this in Firefox and it’s working fine on this end. Don’t know what to suggest, I’m afraid, unless I can duplicate the problem.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:05:29pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:06:22pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

And now, Chuck C. Johnson with Barack Obama’s estranged half-brother Malik.

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Kid looks like a caricature of himself.

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gocart mozart  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:06:22pm

re: #34 ElaineBenis

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:08:25pm

re: #46 gocart mozart

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Some progressives are their own cause’s worse enemy. I can accept not liking Clinton. I cannot accept spreading crap that Clinton is either no worse or actually worse than Trump. Then again, it’s not their families that are going to be rfucked by Trump.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:08:32pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

The new Berniebro talking point is that white supremacism and racism are already normal in America, so there’s nothing new about Donald Trump bringing it into the mainstream.

Apparently this is supposed to make us feel better about them not supporting Hillary Clinton, because hey, what’s the difference?

Racism just isn’t a deal killer for most white people. It’s too easy for many of us to either support it or, in the case of these Busters, tacitly condone it.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:08:54pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:09:17pm

re: #48 goddamnedfrank

Racism just isn’t a deal killer for most white people. It’s too easy for many of us to either support it or, in the case of these Busters, tacitly condone it.

Concerns about racism must take a seat to the REVOLUTION@

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whitebeach  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:09:43pm

re: #35 KGxvi

So I tend to do things like cook someone on Sunday that covers my dinner for the rest of the week.

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Recipe from the classic “Traditional Dishes of Papua New Guinea”?

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Snarknado!  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:09:52pm

re: #39 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Automatic update still not working in Firefox. I’ve since rebooted the whole system—well, it rebooted itself like it does about one time in four that I open the lid….

Charles, FYI: also not working for me (Firefox, Win 7 home premium).

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:10:29pm

re: #51 whitebeach

Recipe from the classic “Traditional Dishes of Papua New Guinea”?

Needs moar yams!!

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Joe Bacon  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:11:20pm

re: #34 ElaineBenis

FWIW

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Roger Stone is pulling out every dirty trick in the book to put Trump in the White House!

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dangerman  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:11:48pm

re: #35 KGxvi

One of the few downsides of being single is that cooking is always a bit complicated. Very few recipes are designed for one person. So I tend to do things like cook someone on Sunday that covers my dinner for the rest of the week. This week it is lasagna:

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Um….

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gocart mozart  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:12:12pm
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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:12:28pm

re: #55 dangerman

Um….

Lasagna Rockefeller.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:12:59pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:17:27pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:18:38pm

Now I wait for someone to chime in who thinks I’m serious.

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Joe Bacon  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:18:44pm

Can I cheer folks up by posting a pic of the famous Pastrami Dip from The Hat?

Indescribably Delicious!
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teleskiguy  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:19:37pm

re: #61 Joe Bacon

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:19:40pm

re: #61 Joe Bacon

Can I cheer folks up by posting a pic of the famous Pastrami Dip from The Hat?

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Yep Wish I had taken some photos of the tapas we had tonight. Lots of good food.

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KGxvi  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:20:48pm

re: #55 dangerman

Um….

Fucking autocorrect

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:21:49pm

It’s not even August but I’m already feeling politicked out.

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Lidane  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:22:33pm
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Joe Bacon  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:23:12pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

And now, Chuck C. Johnson with Barack Obama’s estranged half-brother Malik.

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I got a feeling that Batfart and Rotten are going to show up in Philly…

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Kragar  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:25:22pm

“The problem is you get fewer words”

Um, it scrolls, so that doesn’t make a fucking difference Donnie

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TK-421  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:25:52pm

Forced to work a double shift tonight. Opportunity to eat that MRE that has been in my drawer…

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William Lewis  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:27:08pm

re: #69 TK-421

Forced to work a double shift tonight. Opportunity to eat that MRE that has been in my drawer…

You have my pity. Which set of industrial abdominal distress will you be causing yourself?

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KingKenrod  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:27:35pm

Chuck has a long history of being used by con-artists and other operatives.

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jaunte  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:28:14pm

re: #68 Kragar

My fellow…

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Americans

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TK-421  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:28:37pm

re: #70 William Lewis

Heh. I eat just about anything so I may come out unscathed. My wife may not be so lucky when I get home in the am.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:28:40pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:29:46pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

I checked this in Firefox and it’s working fine on this end. Don’t know what to suggest, I’m afraid, unless I can duplicate the problem.

Ah! I cleared my cookies for the site and reloaded. Now it’s working again.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:30:21pm

re: #71 gocart mozart

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Watch that get ignored and his ethnic background get more focus.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:31:11pm

re: #46 gocart mozart

Speaking of the ultimate sine-qua-none ratfucker Roger Stone, here’s a Tidbit from a story that apparently appeared on the Weekly Standard, since scrubbed:

Stone, who going back to his class elections in high school has been a proponent of recruiting patsy candidates to split the other guy’s support, remembers suggesting to Cohn that if they could figure out a way to make John Anderson the Liberal party nominee in New York, with Jimmy Carter picking up the Democratic nod, Reagan might win the state in a three-way race. “Roy says, ‘Let me look into it.’” Cohn then told [Fat Tony Salerno], “‘You need to go visit this lawyer’—a lawyer who shall remain nameless—‘and see what his number is.’ I said, ‘Roy, I don’t understand.’ Roy says, ‘How much cash he wants, dumbf—.’” Stone balked when he found out the guy wanted $125,000 in cash to grease the skids, and Cohn wanted to know what the problem was. Stone told him he didn’t have $125,000, and Cohn said, “That’s not the problem. How does he want it?” Cohn sent Stone on an errand a few days later. “There’s a suitcase,” Stone says. “I don’t look in the suitcase … I don’t even know what was in the suitcase … I take the suitcase to the law office. I drop it off. Two days later, they have a convention. Liberals decide they’re endorsing John Anderson for president. It’s a three-way race now in New York State. Reagan wins with 46 percent of the vote. I paid his law firm. Legal fees. I don’t know what he did for the money, but whatever it was, the Liberal party reached its right conclusion out of a matter of principle.” I ask him how he feels about this in retrospect. He seems to feel pretty good—now that certain statutes of limitations are up[…] “Reagan got the electoral votes in New York State, we saved the country,” Stone says with characteristic understatement. “[More] Carter would’ve been an unmitigated disaster.”

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gocart mozart  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:32:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:32:38pm

re: #78 Eric The Fruit Bat

Speaking of the ultimate sine-qua-none ratfucker Roger Stone, here’s a Tidbit from a story that apparently appeared on the Weekly Standard, since scrubbed:

Stone’s a typical right wing asshole who only knows the way of the asshole. It’s what gets him through life.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:33:01pm

re: #79 gocart mozart

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The gorilla clearly knew the truth about Benghazi and the emails!

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Lidane  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:33:08pm
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Joe Bacon  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:34:01pm

re: #78 Eric The Fruit Bat

Speaking of the ultimate sine-qua-none ratfucker Roger Stone, here’s a Tidbit from a story that apparently appeared on the Weekly Standard, since scrubbed:

I learned my lesson in 1980 when my hatred of Carter led me to work for Anderson. It was the biggest mistake I ever made…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:34:24pm

re: #82 Lidane

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YEs.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:34:28pm

Just watched the downtown bank robbery scene in “Heat.” If only a good guy had had a gun…

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:34:43pm

This, plus the commercial where he brags about how much applause he got, leads one to believe Trump does[‘t understand how elections work.

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jaunte  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:34:48pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

This is a little like doing the dozens with a blue soap dish, except that’s derogatory to blue soap dishes.

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gocart mozart  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:35:07pm

re: #78 Eric The Fruit Bat

WOW!

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gocart mozart  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:35:47pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

I almost went with that

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Kragar  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:36:14pm

re: #82 Lidane

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Joe Bacon  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:37:43pm

Look what Buzzfeed got a hold of…

buzzfeed.com

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:38:29pm

re: #52 Snarknado!

Charles, FYI: also not working for me (Firefox, Win 7 home premium).

See my #76.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:38:56pm

You would think that after Bush v Gore that the certain element of the left would know better. I mean the kids I can let slide because they would have been just little kids but the adults, no excuses for them. I know that Gore didn’t run a good campaign but Nader did everything possible to knee cap Gore by lying that him and Bush were no different. Funny thing is now many of those types claim that Gore’s just the greatest and they think he’s one of them even though Gore by the same standards they hate Clinton on had a much more conservative record.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:40:45pm

re: #91 Joe Bacon

Uh, whoopsie…..

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Tigger2  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:42:07pm

It starts at 24:23 on the podcast.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:42:09pm

re: #91 Joe Bacon

Look what Buzzfeed got a hold of…

buzzfeed.com

Saw something in the comments that answers my earlier inquiry about the “taco bowl” thing, it was a direct mocking of fucking Trump. Should have figured it was something like that. Anyhow, Bernie’s a politician too. He railed against the DNC. The DNC never brought up that Bernie was fine with taking a ton of their money in a very safe re-election campaign. I don’t have any ill will against Bernie anymore FWIW but I do against the idea that Bernie is pure and DWS/the DNC aren’t. They’re all politicians. They do some good things and they do some sleazy things.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:44:38pm

So yeah guys that “Taco Bowl” thing conservatives and concern troll Berners are pushing to call the DNC “the real racists” was in fact the DNC mocking Trump for thinking that he could mend fences with the Hispanic community over a taco bowl. Honestly, I fail to see the outrage about what the DNC said about Hispanic voters. It’s the total opposite of how the RNC views them. The DNC wants Hispanics to be loyal and staunch Democrats. Silly me but I thought part of being a political party was creating a coalition of people to vote for you.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:45:56pm

Ya know, I’ve been hearing for months how we have to be nice to the Sanders supporters, that their enthusiasm and all that crap is important. But you know what? The Sanders supporters we really want in the Democratic party are already going to vote for Clinton, because they’re not idiots. All that’s left is these moronic drama queens and their conspiracy theories and ‘Voter Fraud!” cries.

The GOP has been completely taken over by people like that. I’d say we’re well rid of them.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:47:03pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

May Roger Stone’s passing be slow and painful.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:47:37pm

re: #98 Blind Frog Belly White

Ya know, I’ve been hearing for months how we have to be nice to the Sanders supporters, that their enthusiasm and all that crap is important. But you know what? The Sanders supporters we really want in the Democratic party are already going to vote for Clinton, because they’re not idiots. All that’s left is these moronic drama queens and their conspiracy theories and ‘Voter Fraud!” cries.

The GOP has been completely taken over by people like that. I’d say we’re well rid of them.

Yeah I don’t want them in our party. I really don’t. I don’t want people in our party that will threaten to bolt everytime they don’t get their way and I sure as hell don’t want people who approach politics with a Tea Party type mindset to policy.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:50:08pm
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meteor  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:50:33pm

re: #56 gocart mozart

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I read that other guy’s timeline. Really wish I hadn’t.

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Teukka  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:51:03pm

re: #95 Tigger2

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For your listening convenience:

MP3 Audio

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:51:52pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

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When is Ann Coulter finally going to be ostracized as a racist psycho? I’ve always loathed Maher for telling her liberal critics taht they’re anti free speech. No, Bill, she can write all those crazy bigoted books she wants but the media doesn’t get to give her a pass over the racism either. It’s no wonder why Coulter loves Trump. They’re two racist peas in a pod who think they’re better than everyone else..

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gocart mozart  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:54:53pm

It doesn’t do Russian script. Sad

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teleskiguy  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:55:05pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

My surprise. Let me show it to you.

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retired cynic  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:56:16pm

re: #78 Eric The Fruit Bat

Speaking of the ultimate sine-qua-none ratfucker Roger Stone, here’s a Tidbit from a story that apparently appeared on the Weekly Standard, since scrubbed:

Have I told you lately how much I loathed Reagan?

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Kragar  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:56:43pm
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Lidane  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:57:00pm

On a related note, I’m seeing concern trolling on FB by conservative friends babbling about how awful the DNC was to Bernie and he should go to Philly and fight. You know, because the fact that Hillary won fairly with millions of more votes is somehow irrelevant.

At this point, I want Trump to come in third behind the Dems and the Libertarians just to see the stunned posts by Republicans wondering how it happened.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:57:29pm
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Anymouse  Jul 24, 2016 • 9:59:59pm

We made it to Winnipeg. (Veering way off the topic here.) The C-130 sized mosquitoes in Churchill did not completely transfuse all my blood.

A photograph I took along the way: Lake Winnipeg, as seen from the north shore in the First Nation’s village of Grand Rapids, Manitoba.

Lake Winnipeg, looking south from Grand Rapids, Manitoba.
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Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:00:09pm

re: #105 gocart mozart

It doesn’t do Russian script. Sad

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Yeah - I’m using the official Trump campaign font (Akzidenz Grotesk) and it doesn’t include the Russian Unicode set.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:03:18pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

Yeah - I’m using the official Trump campaign font (Akzidenz Grotesk) and it doesn’t include the Russian Unicode set.

What a perfect name for anything to do with the tRump campaign!

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Tigger2  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:03:20pm
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Anymouse  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:04:30pm

re: #109 Lidane

On a related note, I’m seeing concern trolling on FB by conservative friends babbling about how awful the DNC was to Bernie and he should go to Philly and fight. You know, because the fact that Hillary won fairly with millions of more votes is somehow irrelevant.

At this point, I want Trump to come in third behind the Dems and the Libertarians just to see the stunned posts by Republicans wondering how it happened.

I’ve had this discussion with my wife (the former Libertarian Party campaign finance manager). If the Libertarians utterly crushed the Republicans and the GOP could be swept away, we could (mostly) get rid of all the social conservatism derp the GOP uses to stir up its base (bathroom panic, marriage equality, name something). The Democratic Party and Libertarian Party are far apart on issues of governance (its scope, purpose, taxation, &c) but these are discussions about how the nation functions.

The GOP hardly seems like a political party now, and more like a bunch of fear mongering preachers. (Consider the opening invocation of the GOP convention, for example.)

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:10:06pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Proving the circular ideological spectrum correct.

Assange is basically a libertarian bro. Not a huge leap.

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Jenner7  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:11:19pm

Hahaha.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:14:50pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

That kid is a grooming disaster. I’d almost pay real money to see the cast of Queer Eye clean him up, just to see how deep they’d need to dig.

Dude, comb your fucking monkey beard. Jeezus.

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Anymouse  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:20:48pm

re: #109 Lidane

On a related note, I’m seeing concern trolling on FB by conservative friends babbling about how awful the DNC was to Bernie and he should go to Philly and fight. You know, because the fact that Hillary won fairly with millions of more votes is somehow irrelevant.

At this point, I want Trump to come in third behind the Dems and the Libertarians just to see the stunned posts by Republicans wondering how it happened.

Another reason to stay away from Faceplant.

Since the GOP seems to be big into voter suppression, perhaps they believe the Democrats think the same as they? The overwhelming majority of Senator Sanders’s supporters will support Secretary Clinton over Hair Furore. At this point, we would support a stump over the fascist talking yam.

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sagehen  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:21:53pm

re: #34 ElaineBenis

FWIW

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Wouldn’t surprise me at all, but I’d sure like better sourcing.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:23:45pm

Toying with some yahoos on FB. I told them to produce one email out of the 23000 that they thought was the most damaging, for discussion. One yahoo said ‘if you read them you should tell us.’ So I said I read all 23000 emails in two days, twice. I knew all about them.

They accused me of lying. LOL

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:25:19pm

re: #117 Jenner7

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Hahaha.

I saw that the other day. Moore doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He really has no idea how much Trump has alienated key groups and honestly the way he just dismissed Kaine as a boring white guy without bothering to learn about Kaine’s background as a civil rights lawyer and ability to speak fluent Spanish bothers me. It’s okay if you didn’t know much about Kaine but the way Moore just dismissed him because of his moderate reputation bothered me.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:26:51pm

late nite with your host dnc wikileaks:

thegatewaypundit.com

not very scandalous after all, especially compared to all the rancid shit trump did

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Anymouse  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:28:07pm

In a central Manitoba village this morning where my wife and I stopped for gasoline, a fellow stopped to look at our car and plates (we’ve been getting a lot of that in the north country). He told us he felt sorry for our country if Mr. Trump wins.

I suggested to him he should feel sorry for Canada if Mr. Trump wins. I also asked if I could stay on this side of the wall that Canada would build and make the USA pay for, which elicited laughter from several people listening in.

I still have my Sanders sticker on my car (because I had not received a Clinton replacement before we began our trip at the beginning of the month). That also has generated considerable conversation, mostly as a segue to what a disaster Mr. Trump would be. The overwhelming majority of people here seem to think either Mr. Sanders or Mrs. Clinton would be just fine, but any of our right wingnuts would be a disaster — and if we send Ted Cruz back they will consider it an act of war. (:: I suggested we could just keep Samantha Bee.

My brother-in-law (who lives in Texas) noted that this morning’s local newspaper (a small town with a very hard-core conservative bent) has a front-page editorial on it, taking the whole page, demanding Senator Cruz’s resignation from the US Senate. My brother-in-law is of the opinion that after the senator’s performance at the convention, his career in Texas politics is over. (Several people here were stunned when they watched Cruz on TV, covered here by CTV.) He seems to think a Democrat getting in on the ground now with good name recognition might have a decent shot at taking Senator Cruz’s seat away from him in 2018.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:28:29pm

re: #109 Lidane

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On a related note, I’m seeing concern trolling on FB by conservative friends babbling about how awful the DNC was to Bernie and he should go to Philly and fight. You know, because the fact that Hillary won fairly with millions of more votes is somehow irrelevant.

At this point, I want Trump to come in third behind the Dems and the Libertarians just to see the stunned posts by Republicans wondering how it happened.

I’m seeing people who I know are genuinely progressive minded but also honestly easily fooled. Whatever, they want to live in an ideological bubble where somehow Bernie deserves the nomination despite the fact even he’s acknowledged he lost legitimately and is going to campaign his butt off for Clinton and isn’t bothered by these emails, that’s their problem but I want them to know when Clinton does appoint judges that protect rights that they find important that they were wrong about her.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:32:24pm

re: #123 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

late nite with your host dnc wikileaks:

thegatewaypundit.com

not very scandalous after all, especially compared to all the rancid shit trump did

Honestly if we saw the emails of the Sanders campaign, I’m sure they’d be pretty nasty too. I get that the DNC was supposed to be neutral but I’d also add that the bulk of those emails came when it was apparent to pretty much anyone that Sanders was done. Not to mention there probably was some legitimate frustration about Sanders using the DNC as a punching bag, the same DNC that had helped him raise money for his elections. I’m not saying they acted graceful but they acted like how you’d expect people to. Now some of what we saw was crap but I’d point out that the suggestion to attack Sanders’ religion never came to fruition. And in the end if the DNC really was trying to rig it against Sanders so bad, it wouldn’t have taken until June for her to clinch and furthermore if they despised him as much as the diehards and the concern troll right wingers make it out to be, he wouldn’t have been allowed to shape the platform in the way he has nor get the speaking gig he has. Sanders gets it. This is actually one of the benefits he has as a longtime elected official and it’s something that Trump never would have gotten had he lost to Cruz, Kasich, or Rubio.

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:36:27pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

The comparison is not really legit unless one assumes that the DNC was a part of Hillary’s campaign. Which some of them apparently thought was the case. DNC fucked up, several people incl. DWS should go away, and that should be the end of it.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:37:27pm

Romantic leftism always eats itself. Bernie Bro Burnout, leading to people driving straight off the cliff screaming with their hair on fire, is as predictable as a sunrise.

Bernie was their god, and Hillary killed him. She is now the Christ-Killing International Jew of their personal Passion Play, and that’s not a position that people can be talked out of. These people are out of altitude, out of airspeed, and out of ideas, to borrow a phrase from aviation.

Better to give them a mighty heave-ho so they can fuck off until the next election, when the cycle will repeat. They won’t vote anyways.

/cynic

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teleskiguy  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:38:11pm

re: #124 Anymouse

That’s cool that you can warmly talk politics with folks outside your realm. Me? I’m reticent and reserved whenever I travel. I’ve told folks that if they want to see me most polite and respectful, catch me when I’m traveling. Sir, ma’am, inside voices…

I got gas in Waco, TX last April on my way to Austin and I seriously could not fathom a decent civil conversation with the folks around me at that gas station. A few of them stared at me. I did my business and got the fuck out of there with a quickness.

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Anymouse  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:39:15pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

The situation seems somewhat (not precisely) analogous to the PUMA derp in 2008. The overwhelming majority of Mrs. Clinton’s supporters decided that supporting Mr. Obama was a far superior choice to the wingnut the GOP ran (who was that again? they all seem equally bad it’s hard to tell them apart).

Those who are so hidebound that they want perfection to be the enemy of good will not get it either - politics, even within your own party, is a series of compromises. The only way you get politics without needing to compromise is a dictator that can eliminate his competition. I don’t want that sort of nation.

Fortunately, the die-hard Sanders supporters who will not even acknowledge that Mr. Sanders endorsed Mrs. Clinton seem to be the people least likely to vote for any candidate. (The racist moonbat Dr. Stein, who hangs out with Russian oligarchs as shown on her own campaign Website, can only get on the ballots of twenty or so states.)

I would much rather see Gov. Johnson split the right-wing vote (ideally putting the GOP in third place). The GOP would then hasten their own demise by claiming “our candidate was not conservative enough.”

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retired cynic  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:39:35pm

re: #128 Pawn of the Oppressor

You want me to come out of retirement??

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:41:35pm

re: #127 Nyet

The comparison is not really legit unless one assumes that the DNC was a part of Hillary’s campaign. Which some of them apparently thought was the case. DNC fucked up, several people incl. DWS should go away, and that should be the end of it.

That certainly is true. I’ll concede that. In the end, I’m glad DWS is out. BEtter this now tahn in October.

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Anymouse  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:42:10pm

re: #129 teleskiguy

That’s cool that you can warmly talk politics with folks outside your realm. Me? I’m reticent and reserved whenever I travel. I’ve told folks that if they want to see me most polite and respectful, catch me when I’m traveling. Sir, ma’am, inside voices…

I got gas in Waco, TX last April on my way to Austin and I seriously could not fathom a decent civil conversation with the folks around me at that gas station. A few of them stared at me. I did my business and got the fuck out of there with a quickness.

Well, I am not in my own country at the moment, and the political discussions are started by Canadians we run into, not the other way round. (They cannot believe how many people are falling for Mr. Trump’s schtick.) On Canadian politics, I have been respectfully quiet unless directly asked. (One person asked me about my opinion of the previous Prime Minister Stephen Harper and the present one Justin Trudeau. My answer was I wish our conservatives were as civil as the Progressive Conservative party here.)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:43:45pm

re: #127 Nyet

The comparison is not really legit unless one assumes that the DNC was a part of Hillary’s campaign. Which some of them apparently thought was the case. DNC fucked up, several people incl. DWS should go away, and that should be the end of it.

Well, unless somebody can show me where anybody acted on anything that could have had a material effect, I’m not sure I agree.

It’s a political party, dedicated to getting candidates elected, and if the people who work there see Sanders threatening division in the party that might threaten that, are they supposed to not be frustrated and angry?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:44:26pm

re: #130 Anymouse

The situation seems somewhat (not precisely) analogous to the PUMA derp in 2008. The overwhelming majority of Mrs. Clinton’s supporters decided that supporting Mr. Obama was a far superior choice to the wingnut the GOP ran (who was that again? they all seem equally bad it’s hard to tell them apart).

Those who are so hidebound that they want perfection to be the enemy of good will not get it either - politics, even within your own party, is a series of compromises. The only way you get politics without needing to compromise is a dictator that can eliminate his competition. I don’t want that sort of nation.

Fortunately, the die-hard Sanders supporters who will not even acknowledge that Mr. Sanders endorsed Mrs. Clinton seem to be the people least likely to vote for any candidate. (The racist moonbat Dr. Stein, who hangs out with Russian oligarchs as shown on her own campaign Website, can only get on the ballots of twenty or so states.)

I would much rather see Gov. Johnson split the right-wing vote (ideally putting the GOP in third place). The GOP would then hasten their own demise by claiming “our candidate was not conservative enough.”

Can you link me to Stein hanging out with the oligarchs? But yeah it says a lot to me that Stein who they think is some true leftist alternative could only get on the ballot in 20 or so states. I have a friend from her part of Massachusetts, apparently it’s one of the most liberal parts in the nation let along the state of Massachusetts and Stein couldn’t get elected there. That tells me something. It tells me that Stein is too inflexible for even people who may share a lot of her general philosophy. My problem with Stein is how she shrugged off the bigotry behind Brexit and then tried to cover it up when caught on it. I mean she’s a politician but she’s also been acting like she’s above it all and I have no doubt had Bernie become the presumptive nominee, she’d resort to attacking him in the same fashion she does Clinton now. She’s a manipulative tool.

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Anymouse  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:48:07pm

re: #135 HappyWarrior

Can you link me to Stein hanging out with the oligarchs?

Yup, here you go.

jill2016.com

But yeah it says a lot to me that Stein who they think is some true leftist alternative could only get on the ballot in 20 or so states. I have a friend from her part of Massachusetts, apparently it’s one of the most liberal parts in the nation let along the state of Massachusetts and Stein couldn’t get elected there. That tells me something. It tells me that Stein is too inflexible for even people who may share a lot of her general philosophy. My problem with Stein is how she shrugged off the bigotry behind Brexit and then tried to cover it up when caught on it. I mean she’s a politician but she’s also been acting like she’s above it all and I have no doubt had Bernie become the presumptive nominee, she’d resort to attacking him in the same fashion she does Clinton now. She’s a manipulative tool.

Yup, as far as I can tell she is another perfect candidate seeking to make an enemy of good.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:50:07pm

re: #136 Anymouse

Yup, here you go.

jill2016.com

Yup, as far as I can tell she is another perfect candidate seeking to make an enemy of good.

Thanks. She really pisses me off. So smug for someone who has accomplished nothing in their political career yet she wants to run the whole country?

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teleskiguy  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:50:11pm

Why is long hair on males still this stigma? I’ve had long hair most of my life (currently more than half-way down my back) and I’ve always noticed when I go to more “conservative” parts of the country, people leer at me. It happened in Utah last May at a Denny’s.

This is a no shit story, circa 2007. I was having breakfast with some friends in our hotel after being up all night for a Widespread Panic show. This is in Orange Beach, AL. We bought the cook a shot and we all drank whiskey at six in the morning before we all got what amounted to a humongous bucket of eggs and meat. A lady, probably in her sixties, as she was leaving with her husband tapped me on the shoulder on her way out and told me in a fantastic southern drawl “Get a haircut, young man! You look terrible!” I said “No!” and she said “You’re not from around here, are ya?”

That’s happened to me twice. Once in Alabama which I just recounted and once in Texas. I have long hair. So what? That bothers some people, I guess.

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Anymouse  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:51:56pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

Thanks. She really pisses me off. So smug for someone who has accomplished nothing in their political career yet she wants to run the whole country?

Much like Donald Trump, eh?

bbc.com

A writer returns to a small Ohio town after many years to find out what folk think of the candidates for President: their opinion, not much.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:52:28pm
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Anymouse  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:53:46pm

re: #138 teleskiguy

Why is long hair on males still this stigma? I’ve had long hair most of my life (currently more than half-way down my back) and I’ve always noticed when I go to more “conservative” parts of the country, people leer at me. It happened in Utah last May at a Denny’s.

This is a no shit story, circa 2007. I was having breakfast with some friends in our hotel after being up all night for a Widespread Panic show. This is in Orange Beach, AL. We bought the cook a shot and we all drank whiskey at six in the morning before we all got what amounted to a humongous bucket of eggs and meat. A lady, probably in her sixties, as she was leaving with her husband tapped me on the shoulder on her way out and told me in a fantastic southern drawl “Get a haircut, young man! You look terrible!” I said “No!” and she said “You’re not from around here, are ya?”

That’s happened to me twice. Once in Alabama which I just recounted and once in Texas. I have long hair. So what? That bothers some people, I guess.

I keep getting asked if I know where to get any good drugs here in Canada. (No.)

We had several people in northern Manitoba ask my wife and I to pose for pictures in front of our car. (I don’t know if it’s the car or us.) Several people have also taken pictures of the back of our car on the highway as well. (It must be the car.)

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:54:32pm

re: #139 Anymouse

Much like Donald Trump, eh?

bbc.com

A writer returns to a small Ohio town after many years to find out what folk think of the candidates for President: their opinion, not much.

Yep you got my hint pretty well there. She seems to spend most of her time on Twitter being catty to the other candidates. I just can’t take her or the GP seriously. I consider myself pretty left, I have a strong pragmatic bent but my personal ideology is still staunchly to the left and I just don’t like the Greens. I don’t like their claims to be the only true progressive party in this country when they’ve had little to nothing to do with the positive changes we’ve had over the years.

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teleskiguy  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:56:20pm

re: #141 Anymouse

What’s so special about a Prius? I mean, shit, I’ve seen a lot of those cars here in Eagle County, CO. Even the county government has some of those cars on their fleet!

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Anymouse  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:57:07pm

re: #142 HappyWarrior

I’m not real big on any person who presents him or herself as “the only hope.”

As for the Green Party, an awful lot of what they want Democrats also want. So its a tough decision: do I vote for the candidate with no chance (Stein) or the candidate with a really good chance (Clinton) to get those things?

(That, and the Greens aren’t on the Nebraska ballot anyway; even if they were I would not vote for them, and certainly not Stein.)

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:57:51pm

re: #134 Blind Frog Belly White

Thankfully Brazile et al. are not in denial, apologies have been made, DWS shown the door (hopefully several others to). As long as this is happening in the real world, partisans can continue to be partisans.

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Anymouse  Jul 24, 2016 • 10:57:53pm

Speaking of finding good drugs, time to take my epilepsy meds. Back momentarily, you poor souls.

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Anymouse  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:00:04pm

re: #143 teleskiguy

What’s so special about a Prius? I mean, shit, I’ve seen a lot of those cars here in Eagle County, CO. Even the county government has some of those cars on their fleet!

We don’t own a Prius. We own a Smart, with a Nebraska Gold Star Family tag with registration number “87.” The 87 gets a lot of strange looks here.

Last year when we came to Canada, the border guard was confused by the low-number tag and checked with the Nebraska DMV to see if we’d stolen a state vehicle. Coming back into Montana US Customs asked if we were smuggling guns (from Saskatchewan to Montana in a Smart).

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:01:30pm

The Ansbach refugee terrorist was apparently known to the police. Was still allowed to roam free. The German govt. seems to be failing in its duties. Right-wing backlash, that is already happening, will intensify.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:01:30pm

re: #144 Anymouse

I’m not real big on any person who presents him or herself as “the only hope.”

As for the Green Party, an awful lot of what they want Democrats also want. So its a tough decision: do I vote for the candidate with no chance (Stein) or the candidate with a really good chance (Clinton) to get those things?

(That, and the Greens aren’t on the Nebraska ballot anyway; even if they were I would not vote for them, and certainly not Stein.)

That’s a good point too. I mean I understand why people don’t like that there’s a two party system but the two parties got to where they are for a reason. The problem I see with so many third parties is they always put their eggs in one basket. Take the Virginia gubertorial race here a few years back. The Virginia Libertarian Party ran a candidate for goveronr but couldn’t run anyone for lt governor and AG. It really sort of destroys their argument that all the major party candidates are the same if you can’t even bother to find a Lt Governor and AG candidate. Not only that, it’s laziness. The LP I concede is better organized than many third parties since they seem to make the ballots consistently.

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TK-421  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:02:19pm

I let my hair grow long sometimes. By sometimes I mean all the time, until my Dee Dee corners me and cuts it off. Also, by growing long I mean growing bushy and out. Like a cross between Arnold Horshack and Bob Ross.

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Anymouse  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:02:37pm

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A real he-man’s car in Canada. (::

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:02:56pm

re: #138 teleskiguy

Why is long hair on males still this stigma? I’ve had long hair most of my life (currently more than half-way down my back) and I’ve always noticed when I go to more “conservative” parts of the country, people leer at me. It happened in Utah last May at a Denny’s.

This is a no shit story, circa 2007. I was having breakfast with some friends in our hotel after being up all night for a Widespread Panic show. This is in Orange Beach, AL. We bought the cook a shot and we all drank whiskey at six in the morning before we all got what amounted to a humongous bucket of eggs and meat. A lady, probably in her sixties, as she was leaving with her husband tapped me on the shoulder on her way out and told me in a fantastic southern drawl “Get a haircut, young man! You look terrible!” I said “No!” and she said “You’re not from around here, are ya?”

That’s happened to me twice. Once in Alabama which I just recounted and once in Texas. I have long hair. So what? That bothers some people, I guess.

I’ve never gotten it either. It’s hair but a lot of people are bothered by things they’re not used to and they act accordingly.

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teleskiguy  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:06:47pm

87

Hey, that’s some license plate number.

u0G0+EvM67yMshbAjSdWpqoeROCgnDhkBg8gw+RHIQyIsa6b6Q95NmGQvEamQ9GHaEwf+rPYPnamXMEr6oM0mw==

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Nyet  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:06:48pm

Re: long hair and conservative areas: they may be taking their God’s injunction against long hair on men in the New Testament too seriously.

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Anymouse  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:08:45pm

re: #150 TK-421

I let my hair grow long sometimes. By sometimes I mean all the time, until my Dee Dee corners me and cuts it off. Also, by growing long I mean growing bushy and out. Like a cross between Arnold Horshack and Bob Ross.

My hair is down to my waist. (Really upsets the most conservative member of my village board.)

Three years ago, in concert with the local bar, I was the centre of a fundraiser for the village public library. Pay money to see the hippie village trustee get his hair shaved off.

Turned out the gun shop owner went around town and got pledges for that for a couple weeks. Another trustee threw in $200 if my wife (then the library director) would also get her hair shaved off.

That little stunt raised over $2,000 for children’s and science books for the library.

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Anymouse  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:10:12pm

re: #153 teleskiguy

The state started issuing Gold Star Family plates a couple years ago, and I was near the top of the pile to receive one.

I joke with my wife it is too bad they didn’t issue us number 86 for our Smart. /s

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TK-421  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:12:09pm

re: #155 Anymouse

I like that. My dad used to do locks of love all the time. Anytime people can help out is a good thing.

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teleskiguy  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:12:52pm

re: #156 Anymouse

Read you load and clear.

We may need the cone of silence to discuss this further.

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Anymouse  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:14:37pm

re: #158 teleskiguy

LOL.

I want a dial shoe cell phone.

wonkette.com

It seems Kim Jong Un is selling water as a cancer cure. It comes from an alleged “magical spring” outside Pyongyang. Seems you don’t need to be a common Sarah Palin to grift.

He claims it cures cancer because it has “smaller molecules.”

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:17:25pm

re: #99 Eric The Fruit Bat

May Roger Stone’s passing be slow and painful.

I wouldn’t want to contemplate any man’s death, so I will instead say, “May the passing of Roger’s stone be slow and painful.”

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teleskiguy  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:22:34pm

re: #99 Eric The Fruit Bat

May Roger Stone’s passing be slow and painful.

No.

You have a habit of wishing suffering upon others. I know that their transgressions are beyond the pale, but this is base, it’s ugly.

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Anymouse  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:26:13pm

re: #161 teleskiguy

No.

You have a habit of wishing suffering upon others. I know that their transgressions are beyond the pale, but this is base, it’s ugly.

I only wish Mr. Stone pass into well-deserved obscurity.

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teleskiguy  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:29:02pm

I HOPE MY POLITICAL ENEMIES DIE IN A PLANE CRASH!!!

-something that shouldn’t be said in a political debate

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Anymouse  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:30:43pm

re: #163 teleskiguy

I HOPE MY POLITICAL ENEMIES DIE IN A PLANE CRASH!!!

-something that shouldn’t be said in a political debate

Or pretty much anywhere else. That tends to get the Secret Service’s or FBI’s attention if those political enemies are important enough.

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teleskiguy  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:32:08pm

re: #164 Anymouse

And yet Eric The Fruit Bat went there, here of all places. That dude pisses me off.

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Anymouse  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:35:54pm

re: #165 teleskiguy

And yet Eric The Fruit Bat went there, here of all places. That dude pisses me off.

I don’t get POed much. After a career in the military and a career in homelessness (thanks to epilepsy and my ex-wife), I’ve pretty much decided that if something is enough to P me O, then it is enough to motivate me to do something about it.

When it is something someone says or writes, I normally ignore it unless it is incredibly egregious, in which case I will say so.

On the other hand, I do enjoy baiting people over at Yahoo Answers “Religion and Spirituality” section (mostly to draw them into contradicting themselves and leaving them to ponder what happened).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2016 • 11:59:26pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Proving the circular ideological spectrum correct.

Do not doubt that there are a lot of GOP people actively involved. This is not just overlap, this is active ratfucking taking advantage of blindered idealists.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 25, 2016 • 12:01:25am

re: #35 KGxvi

One of the few downsides of being single is that cooking is always a bit complicated. Very few recipes are designed for one person. So I tend to do things like cook something on Sunday that covers my dinner for the rest of the week. This week it is lasagna:

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I never thought to bake a lasagna in a conical dish like that…it maximizes the cheesy surface to the noodle content.

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teleskiguy  Jul 25, 2016 • 12:09:31am
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teleskiguy  Jul 25, 2016 • 12:12:46am

Just passing along information I see and hear in the grapevine.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 25, 2016 • 12:13:31am

re: #154 Nyet

Re: long hair and conservative areas: they may be taking their God’s injunction against long hair on men in the New Testament too seriously.

Looking like a cross between a Biblical patriarch and a Civil War Confederate colonel is a tradition that goes a ways back:

Charlie Daniels: Long-Haired Country Boy

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Cheechako  Jul 25, 2016 • 12:24:38am
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Scout  Jul 25, 2016 • 12:36:30am

re: #172 Cheechako

Only in Alaska:

Ketchikan police: Woman who drove husband’s body around for days didn’t break any laws

You just brought me back to my childhood. Growing up in western Washington state, there was a local kids program on Channel 7 (KIRO) called “J.P. Patches.”

Good old J.P. had several sidekicks, all played by the same guy. One of them was Ketchikan the Animal Man, who was sort of a Marlin Perkins-type animal “expert.”

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ElaineBenis  Jul 25, 2016 • 12:51:52am

re: #173 Scout

ICU2TV. I always wanted him to say my name on my birthday! ;)

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Scout  Jul 25, 2016 • 12:52:57am

re: #174 ElaineBenis

ICU2TV. I always wanted him to say my name on my birthday! ;)

He said mine one year!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 25, 2016 • 12:54:43am

re: #173 Scout

You just brought me back to my childhood. Growing up in western Washington state, there was a local kids program on Channel 7 (KIRO) called “J.P. Patches.”

Good old J.P. had several sidekicks, all played by the same guy. One of them was Ketchikan the Animal Man, who was sort of a Marlin Perkins-type animal “expert.”

I tried to retail some childhood memories of J.P. here a while back, but he just seemed to creep people out. Guess you had to be there.

Stan Boreson’s show is where I acquired my lifelong love of Basset hounds, so it wasn’t a total cultural wasteland….

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ElaineBenis  Jul 25, 2016 • 12:55:17am

re: #175 Scout

Lucky!

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ElaineBenis  Jul 25, 2016 • 12:58:14am

JP was the only good clown in the entire history of clowns. Fact.

JP and Gertrude…LOL

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Scout  Jul 25, 2016 • 1:01:34am

re: #178 ElaineBenis

JP was the only good clown in the entire history of clowns. Fact.

JP and Gertrude…LOL

I saw J.P. in person once. He gave a (non-televised) show in the high school cafeteria in Sequim. (I grew up in Port Angeles.)

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ElaineBenis  Jul 25, 2016 • 1:07:12am

I grew up in Aberdeen and spent a bit of time in PA. My dad lived in Joyce for a while.

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Scout  Jul 25, 2016 • 1:13:36am

re: #180 ElaineBenis

I grew up in Aberdeen and spent a bit of time in PA. My dad lived in Joyce for a while.

Joyce … now that really brings back some memories!

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 25, 2016 • 1:17:55am

donald trump:

damp lord nut or lard mod punt?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 25, 2016 • 1:30:13am

re: #182 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

donald trump:

damp lord nut or lard mod punt?

Donald John Trump == Hand Lord Jump Not.

Hand Mud Jolt Porn?

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Jul 25, 2016 • 1:35:05am

re: #182 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

donald trump:

damp lord nut or lard mod punt?

Old damp runt.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 25, 2016 • 1:50:28am

Fuck, another one.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 25, 2016 • 1:52:47am
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 25, 2016 • 2:32:48am

These assholes are going to keep breathlessly trying to make an issue where none really exists. The leaked emails show literally zero evidence of rigging, just staffers bitching about Sanders, after his campaign got caught raiding the NGP VAN database and then sued the DNC over the one day wrist slap suspension.

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jonhendry  Jul 25, 2016 • 2:32:52am

Maybe Ivanka was confused about the podium because it wasn’t a gilded baroque monstrosity like they have at home.

Unspoken: “What happened to the rhinestones?”

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BeenHereAwhile  Jul 25, 2016 • 2:50:17am

re: #57 Decatur Deb

Lasagna Rockefeller.

AKA Long Pig Lasagna.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 25, 2016 • 2:51:02am

re: #187 goddamnedfrank

And that’s more important than the content of the mails leaked which show massive rigging of democratic process? C’mon.

again, a basic error: party primaries are not a “democratic process”, they are part of the party’s internal decision-making process…

the point here is to do everything to make it look like HRC “stole” the nomination and the subsequent election…

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Le Lapin Tueur  Jul 25, 2016 • 3:10:26am

re: #189 BeenHereAwhile

AKA Long Pig Lasagna.

That puts me off my feed for awhile.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 25, 2016 • 3:18:31am

Would love to know why Windows Update won’t work (won’t download any updates) on this one computer. I’ve downloaded updates on two other computers at the same time, so it isn’t a networking or connection issue.

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sagehen  Jul 25, 2016 • 3:37:11am

John Oliver, on politicians who don’t ask permission for using someone’s music.

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Campaign Songs (HBO)

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Alyosha  Jul 25, 2016 • 3:57:37am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 25, 2016 • 4:06:02am

re: #194 Alyosha

Every time there’s a mass US shooting Americans now have to ask if it’s terrorism or the kind we just have to accept b/c freedom.

terrorism = the kind we have to accept b/c dependence on imported oil?

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 25, 2016 • 4:14:23am

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Which simply proves that there’s no real difference between fanatics.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 25, 2016 • 4:24:54am

re: #196 Romantic Heretic

Which simply proves that there’s no real difference between fanatics.

The RW is using these dolts to attack Hillary. And they are too ideologically blindered to notice.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2016 • 4:25:30am

re: #138 teleskiguy

Why is long hair on males still this stigma? I’ve had long hair most of my life (currently more than half-way down my back) and I’ve always noticed when I go to more “conservative” parts of the country, people leer at me. It happened in Utah last May at a Denny’s.

This is a no shit story, circa 2007. I was having breakfast with some friends in our hotel after being up all night for a Widespread Panic show. This is in Orange Beach, AL. We bought the cook a shot and we all drank whiskey at six in the morning before we all got what amounted to a humongous bucket of eggs and meat. A lady, probably in her sixties, as she was leaving with her husband tapped me on the shoulder on her way out and told me in a fantastic southern drawl “Get a haircut, young man! You look terrible!” I said “No!” and she said “You’re not from around here, are ya?”

That’s happened to me twice. Once in Alabama which I just recounted and once in Texas. I have long hair. So what? That bothers some people, I guess.

Your hair is your business, but realize that in addition to residual hippie hate, many long haired men in remote Alabama fall into a category that can be called “Meth-head Chic”.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 25, 2016 • 4:34:00am

re: #128 Pawn of the Oppressor

Once you’re out of altitude and airspeed ideas are pretty much irrelevant at that point.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 25, 2016 • 4:41:06am

re: #154 Nyet

Re: long hair and conservative areas: they may be taking their God’s injunction against long hair on men in the New Testament too seriously.

Then why is Jesus always portrayed with long hair?

Maybe the people that don’t like long hair figure the man with long hair is pretending to be Jesus, which is a sin?

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Le Lapin Tueur  Jul 25, 2016 • 4:41:23am

re: #198 Decatur Deb

“Meth-head Chic”.

But, from pictures of Charlie, he looks to have teeth…

And, on another note. When I logged in at work, the New Comment update counter is working again…

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2016 • 4:41:45am

re: #199 Romantic Heretic

Once your out of altitude and airspeed ideas are pretty much irrelevant at that point.

That’s time to go out for a walk.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 25, 2016 • 4:44:32am

re: #200 Romantic Heretic

Then why is Jesus always portrayed with long hair?

Maybe the people that don’t like long hair figure the man with long hair is pretending to be Jesus, which is a sin?

People who do not understand certain concepts, like religion, masculinity or patriotism, tend to cling to arbitrary images and symbols that are supposed to represent those ideas.

Thus, short hair with masculinity, long-haired Jesus with religiosity and flag lapel pins and guns with patriotism.

No point in trying to separate the symbol from the concept, because some people just don’t grasp that the two are not inherently identical.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 25, 2016 • 4:45:46am

re: #187 goddamnedfrank

These assholes are going to keep breathlessly trying to make an issue where none really exists. The leaked emails show literally zero evidence of rigging, just staffers bitching about Sanders, after his campaign got caught raiding the NGP VAN database and then sued the DNC over the one day wrist slap suspension.

MASSIVE RIGGING!!!!!11

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2016 • 4:46:11am
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Dr. Matt  Jul 25, 2016 • 4:59:24am

“Trump” must be Latin for “living in an alternate reality” or Greek for “Facts be damned”.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 25, 2016 • 5:06:27am

cnn poll registering 10 pt convention bounce for trump

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Dr. Matt  Jul 25, 2016 • 5:09:01am

re: #207 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

cnn poll registering 10 pt convention bounce for trump

NBC Today just reported a poll with a 3 point lead for Trump but didn’t give any other details.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 25, 2016 • 5:15:40am

re: #208 Dr. Matt

NBC Today just reported a poll with a 3 point lead for Trump but didn’t give any other details.

that’s probably it - cnn went from hillary ahead by 7 to trump ahead by three in a week

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 25, 2016 • 5:16:35am

been re reading ‘it cant happen here’

uncanny

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 25, 2016 • 5:19:27am

re: #210 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

been re reading ‘it cant happen here’

uncanny

we are one major terrorist attack/natural catastrophe away from DT pulling ahead and winning

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Teukka  Jul 25, 2016 • 5:20:31am

re: #210 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

been re reading ‘it cant happen here’

uncanny

And here’s a link to a scan of the book, courtesy project Gutenberg Australia.

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Teukka  Jul 25, 2016 • 5:21:43am

re: #211 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

we are one major terrorist attack/natural catastrophe away from DT pulling ahead and winning

Well, not if the natural catastrophe is directly attributable to Anthropogenic Climate Change, that might prove to be a kick in the family jewelry of the GOP/Trump camp.

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Teukka  Jul 25, 2016 • 5:24:52am

Just caught wind of this from globalresearch.ca

he world looks on in horror as Hillary Clinton heads to Philadelphia to be nominated as the Democratic Party’s candidate for the presidency.

Yet still the leading lights of the so-called “progressive” movement argue that it is the left’s duty to vote for this neocon warmonger.

But the consequences of this strategy may well lead directly to nuclear war. This is the GRTV Backgrounder on globalresearch.ca

The nuclear option is on the table. Hillary Clinton constitutes an existential threat against all of humanity.

Her candidacy must be opposed.

Producer is some James Corbett.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Jul 25, 2016 • 5:28:37am

re: #206 Dr. Matt

One could argue that the government doesn’t count everyone.

Let me repeat some old stuff. The unemployment rate doesn’t count people who’ve given up looking for work. And since the number of Americans participating in the labor force is the lowest it has been in a generation, it’s clear to almost anyone that the falling jobless rate is being caused by people who are too discouraged to look for a job.

When you count just some of the folks who’ve given up looking, the unemployment rate jumps to 9.9 percent — both in January and in December. And that, let me stress, is Labor’s number that media outlets don’t pay attention to.

If you include all the people who’ve given up looking for work, the unemployment rate could jump to 20 percent, although Labor doesn’t tally those folks in any of its statistics.

nypost.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 25, 2016 • 5:29:29am

re: #215 Emptor scriptor Remorse

One could argue that the government doesn’t count everyone.

nypost.com

ah yes, unskewered statistics…

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Sir John Barron  Jul 25, 2016 • 5:34:10am

re: #216 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

ah yes, unskewered statistics…

I can’t wait for the Trump presidency so the NYPost and other GOP outlets can go back to just reporting the official unemployment rate, telling us how great The Donald is doing.

///

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Lani  Jul 25, 2016 • 5:34:10am

I’m just a quiet observer who loves reading here, My overseas relations are freaking out. They think if I’m too stupid to leave the US while I can, I should at least send the children to safety.

I can’t believe we re discussing such things in 2016. But we are.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 25, 2016 • 5:35:46am

re: #214 Teukka

Just caught wind of this from globalresearch.ca

Producer is some James Corbett.

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LOLwhut?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 25, 2016 • 5:38:24am

re: #218 Lani

I’m just a quiet observer who loves reading here, My overseas relations are freaking out. They think if I’m too stupid to leave the US while I can, I should at least send the children to safety.

I can’t believe we re discussing such things in 2016. But we are.

Send them to Bavaria?

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2016 • 5:41:27am

re: #215 Emptor scriptor Remorse

One could argue that the government doesn’t count everyone.

nypost.com

But the most-quoted unemployment numbers are for long-term comparison. It isn’t their purpose to be “right”. It is their purpose to be comparable over years and decades. There are other kinds of unemployment data, designed to measure other aspects of it. They aren’t compared historically across the types unless someone is case-making.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 25, 2016 • 5:48:30am

re: #83 Joe Bacon

I learned my lesson in 1980 when my hatred of Carter led me to work for Anderson. It was the biggest mistake I ever made…

Not that big of a mistake. Carter would’ve lost no matter what you did.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 25, 2016 • 5:50:22am

And interesting note this morning.

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sagehen  Jul 25, 2016 • 5:55:46am

re: #215 Emptor scriptor Remorse

One could argue that the government doesn’t count everyone.

nypost.com

A lot of the people who “gave up looking” — is because baby boomers became eligible for Social Security. Also, ACA meant you could buy decent insurance on your own instead of sticking with a job you hate to stay on your company plan until you’re eligible for Medicare.

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jeffreyw  Jul 25, 2016 • 5:57:05am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2016 • 5:58:51am

re: #224 sagehen

A lot of the people who “gave up looking” — is because baby boomers were eligible eligible for Social Security. Also, ACA meant you could buy decent insurance on your own instead of sticking with a job you hate to stay on your company plan until you’re eligible for Medicare.

And when the dropouts do re-enter the job market they suppress employment gains in that period. That’s how employment numbers can go up in a month when the calculated unemployment rate actually goes negative. It happened several times recently.

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Lani  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:02:10am

re: #220 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

UK

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sagehen  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:04:57am

re: #227 Lani

UK

Which isn’t nearly as appealing as it was just a month or two ago…

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Lani  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:10:04am

re: #228 sagehen

Compared to Trump World, I’m not so sure. But anyway, kids in the commonwealth can freely travel to the country of their choice.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:12:10am

So there’s a new CNN poll out that has Trump up 5. (44 to 39)

Usual caveats about how we shouldn’t worry much about the polls yet, especially with the DNC just starting.

Even so, that Trump could get a bounce from last week’s shitshow is surprising and discouraging.

The darkhorse in all of this, I believe, is Gary Johnson. I suspect he will siphon off a good share of the GOP vote. Jill Stein may take a sliver of the Dem.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:13:00am

re: #102 meteor

I read that other guy’s timeline. Really wish I hadn’t.

I hate a guy who goes out of his way to misuse “you’re.”

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:13:08am

re: #230 Sir John Barron

Who is Gary Johnson?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:14:53am

re: #232 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Who is Gary Johnson?

Former, 2 term, GOP governor of New Mexico. Now running for president as Libertarian.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:16:27am

re: #233 Sir John Barron

I think he might have an “accident”

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sagehen  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:16:37am

re: #233 Sir John Barron

Former, 2 term, GOP governor of New Mexico. Now running for president as Libertarian.

And his running mate is William Weld, a former 2 term GOP governor of Massachusetts.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:18:10am

I’ll stick with 538….
projects.fivethirtyeight.com

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:20:08am

re: #160 Grunthos the Flatulent

I wouldn’t want to contemplate any man’s death, so I will instead say, “May the passing of Roger’s stone be slow and painful.”

As if from a kidney through the ureter.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:21:35am

re: #236 Dave In Austin

I’ll stick with 538….
projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Hit the “nowcast” button on that page.

(Yanking your chain. The polls are too volatile to let us feel safe or to panic.)

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Sir John Barron  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:25:50am

re: #238 Decatur Deb

Hit the “nowcast” button on that page.

(Yanking your chain. The polls are too volatile to let us feel safe or to panic.)

crazy stuff.

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darthstar  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:27:11am
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nines09  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:28:49am

re: #232 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Who is Gary Johnson?

He’s a face saving device for cowardly GOP voters who cannot face the reality of what their party has become.

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lawhawk  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:32:40am

Greets and saluts from the sweltering NYC metro area as it’s Trump’s all the way down. Not only does he appear to have gotten a bounce off the RNC, but it appears that there’s quite a few people who like to hear the words of an authoritarian despot-in-diapers.

Trump doesn’t care about policy. He has soundbites packaged for easy consumption.

That’s why he repeated the same crap over and over, because he knows that his base loves this crap, and some people just can’t stand Hillary (20+ years being told Hillary’s evil or worse has something to do with that).

How do you combat such a thing?

With everything you’ve got - from facts (which Trump has effectively replaced with his feelings that everything is wrong and Hillary’s fault). Take the unemployment rate - which Trump, Newt, and the rest of the Trump trash train busy saying doesn’t matter or is fudged to help Hillary. They’re accusing the BLS of lying/fuding the unemployment rates.

I guess that the ADP survey is also fudged then? That’s an outside entity’s numbers that pretty much mirror the BLS job statistics and help round out the picture of jobs in the economy.

At the same time, you’ve got the GOP claiming that millions are permanently leaving the workforce because the economy sucks.

That’s not true in the slightest. Millions are leaving - but the reason is that the economy is strong enough to absorb it, because those millions are baby boomers reaching retirement age and feeling secure enough to retire. Anyone who bothers to pay attention to workforce stats knows that we’re entering the peak baby boomer retirement period, so those numbers will be higher than baseline averages for the next few years.

The GOP and the Trump train wont and don’t care.

Their feels have supplanted facts.

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Great White Snark  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:33:45am

Good Morning

defenseone.com

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darthstar  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:35:15am

re: #243 Great White Snark

Good Morning

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I love this whole “The Russians did it!” defense. Shows a true grasp of the nuances of damage control.

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Belafon  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:36:42am

re: #223 Dave In Austin

And interesting note this morning.

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I think you’re doing the right thing. What is happening with Trump and Wikileaks is way more dangerous to our country than the crap they accuse Clinton of.

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Lidane  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:40:01am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:42:05am

I just looked at RealClearPolitics. My day sucks already.

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lawhawk  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:43:03am

re: #247 The Vicious Babushka

This’ll brighten your day:

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:43:10am

Already got a Berniebro in my mentions

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Lidane  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:43:10am

Champion of the downtrodden worker:

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Great White Snark  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:43:50am

Verizon buys Yahoo? AT&T Girl is skeptical

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:44:21am
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Franklin  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:44:22am

Already seeing tweets saying to lay off the gun control talk as Fort Meyers looks like a black on black crime issue. Like what the fuck does that mean? Are guns used in “black on black” crime exempt from discussion?

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Belafon  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:44:41am

re: #243 Great White Snark

I like the one in this Daily Kos diary, that says “Putin Trump 2016”.

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Great White Snark  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:46:34am

re: #247 The Vicious Babushka

I just looked at RealClearPolitics. My day sucks already.

As one of the experts on Sunday morning pointed out, if you only have a one point lead after your convention, you have a major structural problem. Notice he has peaked like this before, and fallen right back. HRC has barely gotten started.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:48:20am

re: #215 Emptor scriptor Remorse

One could argue that the government doesn’t count everyone.

nypost.com

The current U6 unemployment rate, 9.6%, is only a few points above the pre-recession average of 8.9%. Most of the people who have completely dropped out of the workforce are over 60.

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Alyosha  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:48:22am

Ironically, if Clinton herself was in charge of setting up the DNC internal communique system, we’d likely not be in this mess.

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Lidane  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:48:49am
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Franklin  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:49:17am

Don’t sound too excited Sheli

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:49:30am

re: #255 Great White Snark

As one of the experts on Sunday morning pointed out, if you only have a one point lead after your convention, you have a major structural problem. Notice he has peaked like this before, and fallen right back. HRC has barely gotten started.

Putin is happy.

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Lidane  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:50:46am

re: #248 lawhawk

And he just happens to be doing a Reddit AMA a few hours before Biden and Obama speak because of course he is.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:53:46am

The only poll that matters is the one in November. That being said, it frustrates me to no end that someone like Trump has the numbers he has.

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Skip Intro  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:54:32am

re: #261 Lidane

And he just happens to be doing a Reddit AMA a few hours before Biden and Obama speak because of course he is.

Did you think he’d just go away during the DNC convention? He’ll be on TV every night, giving his informed opinion about how bad the convention is.

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Belafon  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:56:16am

re: #262 GlutenFreeJesus

The only poll that matters is the one in November. That being said, it frustrates me to no end that someone like Trump has the numbers he has.

Overcoming the entrenched forces of racism and class was never going to be easy.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:56:51am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:57:16am

re: #262 GlutenFreeJesus

The only poll that matters is the one in November. That being said, it frustrates me to no end that someone like Trump has the numbers he has.

Trump is easily the most absurd presidential nominee of a major political party in this country’s history.

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Lidane  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:57:22am

re: #263 Skip Intro

Did you think he’d just go away during the DNC convention? He’ll be on TV every night, giving his informed opinion about how bad the convention is.

Hah, no. We’re not that lucky and I know it.

I’m just hoping for a good convention that doesn’t get sidetracked by the Putin ratfucking.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:57:27am

re: #258 Lidane

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Good reminder not to panic.

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sagehen  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:57:28am

re: #263 Skip Intro

Did you think he’d just go away during the DNC convention? He’ll be on TV every night, giving his informed opinion about how bad the convention is.

Is Fox even going to carry the DNC? Or will it be four days of primetime Donald phone-ins?

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Charles Johnson  Jul 25, 2016 • 6:58:37am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:00:06am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:00:09am

re: #269 sagehen

Is Fox even going to carry the DNC? Or will it be four days of primetime Donald phone-ins?

Maybe they’ll replay the RNC.

/

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Franklin  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:01:09am

Ummmm, in some cases, parents that pray for safe spaces for their kids to go to avoid violence? Reports are there were armed security guards at the club. And the club had no liquor license.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:02:31am

re: #271 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Of course Putin likes Trump. Trump made sure the GOP platform didn’t support arms for Ukraine, and Trump is backing off our NATO commitments to defend the Baltic states. If elected, Trump would hand Eastern Europe to Putin on a silver platter.

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Skip Intro  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:03:29am

re: #269 sagehen

You know what kind of coverage Fox is going to have. What’s new is that CNN and MSNBC will have paid Trump hacks “analyzing” the convention too. Plus whatever ratfucking the Axis of Evil BBs, Russians, and Trumpers can come up with.

I won’t be surprised to see them attempt to “arrest” Hillary. The media would just eat that up like candy.

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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:10:32am

re: #266 Sir John Barron

Trump is easily the most absurd presidential nominee of a major political party in this country’s history.

Which I suppose speaks volumes about us as a country that he’s even in a position to be in the lead like this, however temporarily.

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darthstar  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:11:00am

re: #240 darthstar

Ladies and Gentlemen - I give you Eartha Kitten…and she finished that tray of soft food in the time it took me to take that pic, post it to facebook, and then copy it here.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:11:27am

It’s too hot this week.

The ouster of Wasserman Schultz, a Florida congresswoman, came just hours after Democrats revealed that she had been replaced as their convention’s chairwoman by little-known Rep. Marcia Fudge (D-Ohio).

Oooooh Fudge.

A Christmas Story “Oh Fudge”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:11:31am
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Charles Johnson  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:14:14am
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Belafon  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:14:52am

re: #279 The Vicious Babushka

If this had anything to do with our standing in the world, the economy, or healthcare, there would be no contest.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:15:16am

re: #215 Emptor scriptor Remorse

One could argue that the government doesn’t count everyone.

nypost.com

But the same metrics have been used to report unemployment rate for decades. Suddenly, these metrics are invalid according to the right because the unemployment rate looks good. They boosted non-stop about the 5ish% unemployment rate under dubyah’s first term.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:15:17am

[This tweet has apparently been deleted.]

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Dr. Matt  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:16:47am

re: #272 Sir John Barron

Maybe they’ll replay the RNC.

/

The 1980 RNC.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:17:48am

re: #279 The Vicious Babushka

can you imagine four years of this guy in the WH?

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Dr. Matt  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:18:59am

re: #285 Sir John Barron

can you imagine four years of this guy in the WH?

He’ll probably spend most of his time tweeting from the Oval Office and Mike Pence will be running the country….which is even more scary.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:20:05am

He deleted the “Putin likes me” Tweet. Did anyone get a screencap?

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darthstar  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:20:10am

re: #277 darthstar

Ladies and Gentlemen - I give you Eartha Kitten…and she finished that tray of soft food in the time it took me to take that pic, post it to facebook, and then copy it here.

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She’s nearly impossible to photograph because she never stops moving…again…blurry!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:20:44am

re: #287 The Vicious Babushka

He deleted the “Putin likes me” Tweet. Did anyone get a screencap?

He didn’t delete it after all.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:20:47am

Did anyone screen capture the “Putin likes me” tweet?

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lawhawk  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:21:13am

re: #280 Charles Johnson

Indeed it does. Trump’s all fanboy with Putin, even though Putin is a US rival and has undermined US interests for years, including going after Ukraine, undermining US efforts to stop IS, etc.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:22:56am

re: #290 Dr. Matt

Did anyone screen capture the “Putin likes me” tweet?

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Teukka  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:22:58am

re: #287 The Vicious Babushka

He deleted the “Putin likes me” Tweet. Did anyone get a screencap?

Ask and it shall be provided you.

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lawhawk  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:23:06am
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Lidane  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:26:00am

re: #285 Sir John Barron

can you imagine four years of this guy in the WH?

I can’t even imagine four days.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:28:37am

re: #294 lawhawk

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He’s trying to say it’s a joke that because Putin supposedly likes Trump, that Russia is behind the leaks.

But whether or not Putin likes Trump, there is evidence that Russia is behind the leaks.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:29:00am

re: #287 The Vicious Babushka

He deleted the “Putin likes me” Tweet. Did anyone get a screencap?

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Franklin  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:30:38am

re: #296 Sir John Barron

He’s trying to say it’s a joke that because Putin supposedly likes Trump, that Russia is behind the leaks.

But whether or not Putin likes Trump, there is evidence that Russia is behind the leaks.

Agreed on both points. “Putin likes me” is a nothing burger. It’s the kind of thing we make fun of the right for, misunderstanding context/nuance/etc.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:31:10am
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Jenner7  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:31:22am

I can’t watch today.

I thought DWS was not going to be part of the convention, why is she still speaking?

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Dr. Matt  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:32:04am

re: #289 The Vicious Babushka

He didn’t delete it after all.

Yup. It’s still there. I have screen cap of it now.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:34:25am

Peter Thiel is a supervillain trying to wreck the country so he can build a Randian oligarchy. No wonder Putin and Russian oligarchs are also helping Trump.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:34:27am

re: #261 Lidane

And he just happens to be doing a Reddit AMA a few hours before Biden and Obama speak because of course he is.

Keeps him out of trouble. He should spend the next three months on Reddit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:35:08am

smh

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:35:18am

re: #301 Dr. Matt

Yup. It’s still there. I have screen cap of it now.

Jim Wright deleted his tweet.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:36:22am

re: #305 The Vicious Babushka

Jim Wright deleted his tweet.

I missed that one. What did he write?

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Jenner7  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:36:51am

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fucking grow up, Berners. This is bigger than your god damn tantrum.

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Lidane  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:37:19am

Lots of idiots babbling online today about how the DNC got “sideswiped” with an email hack. Er, no. The actual hack happened ages ago. This is the Deliberate Ratfuck part of the show. Pay attention.

And boo hoo hoo, Hillary didn’t “galvanize the far left” with her VP. She just had the gall to pick a solid liberal who’s actually gotten shit done instead of a far left demagogue to appease the Bernie Bros. All is lost.

Give me a fucking break.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:44:39am

re: #308 Lidane

The actual hack happened ages ago. This is the Deliberate Ratfuck part of the show. Pay attention….

Give me a fucking break.

And the DNC knew it, hired a cybersecurity outfit, and kept putting internal discussions and donor SSAN/credit card info on the system without alerting those at risk. I had no opinion about DWS until this week.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:45:31am
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Eventual Carrion  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:45:37am

re: #120 sagehen

Wouldn’t surprise me at all, but I’d sure like better sourcing.

Yeah, photos or something. Not just “I saw those Muslims celebrating …”. Too much like “some people are saying …”

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Dr. Matt  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:46:04am

re: #307 Jenner7

Fucking grow up, Berners. This is bigger than your god damn tantrum.

The DNC had NOTHING to do with Hillary’s victory FFS. Hillary got more votes, more delegates, and more superdelegates. SHE WON THE MATH. Some of these Berners act no different than teabaggers.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:46:53am

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bernie is going to get booed off the stage tonight by his “supporters”.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:47:45am

re: #313 GlutenFreeJesus

Bernie is going to get booed off the stage tonight by his “supporters”.

he speaks tonight?

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Jenner7  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:48:24am

These idiots really believe that if Bernie did take the nomination from Hillary, he would win in a landslide. Just delusional.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:48:31am

re: #313 GlutenFreeJesus

Bernie is going to get booed off the stage tonight by his “supporters”.

If that happens, we’ll know who are the infiltrators and who is the moron.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:50:24am

I wonder is the Berners are going to stage a walk out?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:51:37am

re: #317 Dave In Austin

I wonder is the Berners are going to stage a walk out?

they could keep walking

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Jenner7  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:52:02am

So, Donald got a good convention bump and the media will go nuts. Hillary will get one and ::crickets::.

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Lidane  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:52:50am

Stopped clock, blind squirrel, etc. —

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Dr. Matt  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:53:15am

Frankly, I’m glad Debbie Wasserman Schultz is gone AND not because of the email non-sense. She was terrible at the job. Bring back Howard Dean.

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KingKenrod  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:53:50am

I’m still waiting to see something that’s really horrible in those DNC emails. There’s just nothing there.

A lot of the emails that are critical of Sanders are responding to HIS open criticism of the DNC and his attempt to get rid of DWS, which he was doing from very early on.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:55:24am

re: #322 KingKenrod

I’m still waiting to see something that’s really horrible in those DNC emails. There’s just nothing there.

A lot of the emails that are critical of Sanders are responding to HIS open criticism of the DNC and his attempt to get rid of DWS, which he was doing from very early on.

Another Clinton “scandal.”

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Lidane  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:57:50am
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Dr. Matt  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:57:51am

re: #322 KingKenrod

I’m still waiting to see something that’s really horrible in those DNC emails. There’s just nothing there.

A lot of the emails that are critical of Sanders are responding to HIS open criticism of the DNC and his attempt to get rid of DWS, which he was doing from very early on.

It literally is a media created poutrage. It is yet another nothing burger. The media and berners are actually shocked that people who work for a political organization. actually…have….political biases!? BREAKING NEWS!

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:58:03am

re: #322 KingKenrod

I’m still waiting to see something that’s really horrible in those DNC emails. There’s just nothing there.

A lot of the emails that are critical of Sanders are responding to HIS open criticism of the DNC and his attempt to get rid of DWS, which he was doing from very early on.

So far no news shows I’ve seen are addressing this point. They’re all about how the DNC (and not an individual) was plotting to use BS’s lack of religious beliefs against him. The media are suck.

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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Jul 25, 2016 • 7:58:17am

God, it feels so damn impenetrable trying to convince anyone of anything that isn’t a full on right-wing meme or conspiracy theory. Meanwhile, Trump sneezes and everyone from all sides of the aisle praises him for sticking it to the evil evil super dictatory DNC.

I feel like I’m screaming into the wind and losing my breath.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:00:40am

Don’t know if this has been mentioned yet, but over the weekend Wikileaks tweeted an anti-Semitic post, then deleted it, then defended it in bizarre tweets.

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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:00:43am

re: #325 Dr. Matt

It literally is a media created poutrage. It is yet another nothing burger. The media and berners are actually shocked that people who work for a political organization. actually…have….political biases!? BREAKING NEWS!

“Nothing burgers” are only ever nothing burgers if you presume that the facts are all that matters.

They aren’t, and far too often are the thing that matter the least. What matters is the narrative they sell and the political damage they do. Damn the facts, first impressions are forever and corrections get shoved to the back of the A section.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:02:18am

oh.my.Fucking.Gawd.

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Lidane  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:03:53am

re: #320 Lidane

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Lidane  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:05:29am

re: #330 Dr. Matt

Should go over about as well as the #NeverTrump attempts to replace Trump at the RNC.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:05:37am

re: #280 Charles Johnson

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Bragging that Putin likes you while you’ve shat on our allies. Great look, Donnie.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:06:28am

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

smh

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Fucking children.

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Jenner7  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:08:02am

Ugh. Can we just skip this week…?

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makeitstop  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:09:01am

I’m telling you, that NYT article about the Russian ‘troll farm’ has really got me kinda spooked.

They seem to have turned trolling into high-level psy-ops and people are eating it up like groceries.

How the fuck do you even combat that?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:09:04am

re: #330 Dr. Matt

oh.my.Fucking.Gawd.

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Sigh. This really is going to be a lot closer than it should be and it’s because the purists in the left of the party would rather make it all about how woe is them. They got the most progressive platform in party history. They got Clinton to adapt a lot of Sanders rhetoric. Oh they don’t like the running mate she chose? Tough shit and actually educate yourselves about who Tim Kaine is. He’s actually accomplished a quite a bit.

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Teukka  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:09:50am

re: #336 makeitstop

I’m telling you, that NYT article about the Russian ‘troll farm’ has really got me kinda spooked.

They seem to have turned trolling into high-level psy-ops and people are eating it up like groceries.

How the fuck do you even combat that?

Shine light unexpectedly on them is one trick.

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Alyosha  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:10:10am

A close-looking race will boost voter turnout.
That’s how I’m choosing to look at these polls showing Trump ahead.

Plus: don’t forget the debates. That will be the ultimate eye-opener.

It might look bleak at times, but Clinton has got this. She’s no shrinking violet and Trump is too-easily led.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:10:10am

re: #335 Jenner7

Ugh. Can we just skip this week…?

I’m going to be as relentlessly optimistic as I was when predicting that Sanders would endorse Clinton before the Convention, and predict that the DNC will be a big success with little drama and Hillary will get a solid bounce out of it.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:10:41am

re: #330 Dr. Matt

oh.my.Fucking.Gawd.

Losers.

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BeachDem  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:10:52am

re: #330 Dr. Matt

oh.my.Fucking.Gawd.

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I’m guessing it will be as effective as the Never Trump challenge was. These assholes are getting on my very last nerve.

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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:11:41am

re: #339 Alyosha

A close-looking race will boost voter turnout.
That’s how I’m choosing to look at these polls showing Trump ahead.

Plus: don’t forget the debates. That will be the ultimate eye-opener.

It might look bleak at times, but Clinton has got this. She’s no shrinking violet and Trump is too-easily led.

Again, I’m not so much worried about the presidential race. I’m confident enough in HIllary for that. I’m worried about downticket and the vile shit that’ll be riding off Trump’s coattails, especially considering how deep of a deficit we already are on the state level down.

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Alyosha  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:12:04am

re: #340 Big Beautiful Door

I’m going to be as relentlessly optimistic as I was when predicting that Sanders would endorse Clinton before the Convention, and predict that the DNC will be a big success with little drama and Hillary will get a solid bounce out of it.

If Trump got a bounce out of that hectic sewer-main gas fire of a convention, Clinton will get hers.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:13:23am

re: #342 BeachDem

I’m guessing it will be as effective as the Never Trump challenge was. These assholes are getting on my very last nerve.

I’m getting really fed up with them. I really am. All they know about Kaine is that he’s a former governor/current senator from a purple state who once said he was personally pro-life. They don’t care that he has a great record from NARAL.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:14:22am

re: #344 Alyosha

If Trump got a bounce out of that hectic sewer-main gas fire of a convention, Clinton will get hers.

That’s very true. It really does bother me that this as close as it is but I guess I should just accept that no matter how bigoted the GOP gets, they’re always going to have a fighting chance.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:14:36am

re: #336 makeitstop

I’m telling you, that NYT article about the Russian ‘troll farm’ has really got me kinda spooked.

They seem to have turned trolling into high-level psy-ops and people are eating it up like groceries.

How the fuck do you even combat that?

Add “Cyber” to the list of Special (NBC) Weapons, and respond at that level. That will happen first in relation to aggressive cyber attacks on defense capabilities.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:14:49am

Sanders: Leaked DNC Emails In No Way Change My Support For Clinton

He’s a bigger person than many of his supporters.

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Great White Snark  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:15:42am

re: #345 HappyWarrior

The far left and far right agree, guns are a purity test for suitability to be in the party, let alone run for anything.

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Teukka  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:16:16am

re: #344 Alyosha

If Trump got a bounce out of that hectic sewer-main gas fire of a convention, Clinton will get hers.

And if the Trump-Putin combine don’t handle their play like pro’s and tip even the amateur servers off that they’re up to shenanigans, it will potentiate the bounce.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:16:31am

re: #348 Dr. Matt

Sanders: Leaked DNC Emails In No Way Change My Support For Clinton

He’s a bigger person than many of his supporters.

It would be helpful if he called a meeting of his delegates and told them to knock it the fuck off.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:18:49am

Did Hillary just bring DWS into her campaign? I’ve only seen this reported at RWNJ sites. If so, this is pretty stupid. But I’m skeptical given the sources and postings of Berners on my FB.

fortune.com

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Sir John Barron  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:19:03am

re: #346 HappyWarrior

That’s very true. It really does bother me that this as close as it is but I guess I should just accept that no matter how bigoted the GOP gets, they’re always going to have a fighting chance.

Indicative of how much progress there’s been in the last eight years on some key fronts that drives a certain segment crazy with rage.

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Brian J.  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:19:28am

re: #350 Teukka

And if the Trump-Putin combine don’t handle their play like pro’s and tip even the amateur servers off that they’re up to shenanigans, it will potentiate the bounce.

Doubtful. The Sandbaggers want the world in flames; they have no interest in party unity, unlike the erstwhile anti-Trump Republicans.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:19:58am

re: #348 Dr. Matt

Sanders: Leaked DNC Emails In No Way Change My Support For Clinton

He’s a bigger person than many of his supporters.

He really is. I am so glad to see him doing all he can to push back against the ratfuckery.

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KGxvi  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:20:34am

re: #330 Dr. Matt

oh.my.Fucking.Gawd.

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I’m contemplating asking Jennifer Hudson out, I’m guessing I’ve got a better chance of success.

Do they even have an alternative? Or is this just shit stirring for the sake of stirring?

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:20:39am

re: #355 HappyWarrior

He really is. I am so glad to see him doing all he can to push back against the ratfuckery.

Two months late.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:20:44am

re: #352 GlutenFreeJesus

Did Hillary just bring DWS into her campaign? I’ve only seen this reported at RWNJ sites. If so, this is pretty stupid. But I’m skeptical given the sources and postings of Berners on my FB.

fortune.com

I’ve seen that on FB too.

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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:21:09am

re: #351 Blind Frog Belly White

It would be helpful if he called a meeting of his delegates and told them to knock it the fuck off.

My problem is that how much of the recalcitrance is actually about Bernie himself and how much is just about spitting in the wind at Hillary? At this point, the monster might be big enough that Bernie’s word would do nothing.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:21:10am

Today it’s also supposed to reach like 300 degrees.

I’m teleworking as I have no faith in my commuter bus being able to keep the AC running or to be on time.

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Teukka  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:21:26am

re: #354 Brian J.

Doubtful. The Sandbaggers want the world in flames; they have no interest in party unity, unlike the erstwhile anti-Trump Republicans.

The US started an investigation about Russian Federation support of extremist organizations in Europe back in January some time… That’s what I’m hoping for will add to the fireworks…

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Sir John Barron  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:21:35am

re: #360 Sir John Barron

Today it’s also supposed to reach like 300 degrees.

I’m teleworking as I have no faith in my commuter bus being able to keep the AC running or to be on time.

It’s 92 degrees in DC already.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:21:36am

re: #357 Decatur Deb

Two months late.

Better late than ever. Believe me, I was frustrated with him during the spring and early weeks of summer too.

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Alyosha  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:21:49am

The liberal feeling of being suddenly out-maneuvered by an unthinking horde is understandable.
It’s a good thing that people are worried about how the recent hacking will hurt our chances. It’s because we care about perceptions.
Consider the foe at hand.
Do you think that they would quail in the face of such adversity? Of course not; because they do not think.
Rather fix your resolve to its sticking place.

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Teukka  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:23:41am

re: #362 Sir John Barron

It’s 92 degrees in DC already.

38.8°C = 101.8°F in Stockholm Sweden at its most sizzling today. Granted, the location is a bit of an heat island, but still…

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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:24:32am

re: #364 Alyosha

The liberal feeling of being suddenly out-maneuvered by an unthinking horde is understandable.
It’s a good thing that people are worried about how the recent hacking will hurt our chances. It’s because we care about perceptions.
Consider the foe at hand.
Do you think that they would quail in the face of such adversity? Of course not; because they do not think.
Rather fix your resolve to its sticking place.

It’d feel better if it didn’t feel like the public was on the verge of siding with the horde at every turn no matter what you tried to say or do.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:24:37am

re: #359 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

My problem is that how much of the recalcitrance is actually about Bernie himself and how much is just about spitting in the wind at Hillary? At this point, the monster might be big enough that Bernie’s word would do nothing.

It would change the optics and the coverage rather substantially. Coverage would treat these dead-end losers as fringe nutters rather than representatives of the runner-up.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:24:45am

re: #365 Teukka

38.8°C = 101.8°F in Stockholm Sweden at its most sizzling today. Granted, the location is a bit of an heat island, but still…

How is it in Philadelphia? Got to be hot inside those puppets.

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Belafon  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:25:08am

re: #352 GlutenFreeJesus

Did Hillary just bring DWS into her campaign? I’ve only seen this reported at RWNJ sites. If so, this is pretty stupid. But I’m skeptical given the sources and postings of Berners on my FB.

fortune.com

I’m curious why it matters.

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calochortus  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:25:46am

re: #359 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

My problem is that how much of the recalcitrance is actually about Bernie himself and how much is just about spitting in the wind at Hillary? At this point, the monster might be big enough that Bernie’s word would do nothing.

I’ve been engaging some anti-Hillary types on another site and they are far beyond paying any attention to what Bernie says. It’s kind of a mix between having the bit between their teeth (no one can tell them what to do) and old-school anarchism (burn it down and start a pure world anew.)

I try to keep a little distance, but throw in facts and ideas not because these folks are going to change, but because others outside our little political junkie world here will see them and maybe pass them on.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:25:56am

What pisses me off about these so called progressives is they’re all for purity until it gets in the way of a person they like such as Sanders. I am not bashing Bernie here but they make excuses for his poor record on guns in a way they’d never do for a Democrat like Joe Manchin. Ditto some of Bernie’s past votes and rhetoric on immigration. I’m NOT dissing Bernie here but I am pointing out that everyone has warts in their record but the warts are olny focused on by progressives if they dislike that person or who they’re associated with. If Bernie had chosen Kaine, it would be seen as Bernie unifying both parts of the party but because he’s Clinton’s pick, he’s a corpartist who can’t be trusted.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:26:07am

re: #359 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

My problem is that how much of the recalcitrance is actually about Bernie himself and how much is just about spitting in the wind at Hillary? At this point, the monster might be big enough that Bernie’s word would do nothing.

Oh, I’m not saying that he controls them. I realize that a lot of them are locked in to some kind of revenge/justification fantasy. But Sanders telling them to get in line or fuck off at least deprives them of “We’re doing it for Bernie!”

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:26:07am

re: #365 Teukka

38.8°C = 101.8°F in Stockholm Sweden at its most sizzling today. Granted, the location is a bit of an heat island, but still…

It’s only supposed to reach 95 f. in Lower Alabama today. Which is why I have to go now and start mowing.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:26:29am

re: #359 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

My problem is that how much of the recalcitrance is actually about Bernie himself and how much is just about spitting in the wind at Hillary? At this point, the monster might be big enough that Bernie’s word would do nothing.

99% spitting at Hillary.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:26:59am

re: #373 Decatur Deb

It’s only supposed to reach 95 f. in Lower Alabama today. Which is why I have to go now and start mowing.

sounds downright chilly.

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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:27:06am

re: #367 Testy Toad T

It would change the optics and the coverage rather substantially. Coverage would treat these dead-end losers as fringe nutters rather than representatives of the runner-up.

I’m not so convinced, especially if it gives those covering things a chance to kick even more dirt at Hillary. Bernie’s endorsement did precious little because the argument pivoted at light speed toward the next bullshit attack trying to support the idea of ‘Corrupt Super Criminal Hillary ‘Bitch’ Clinton’

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Teukka  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:27:26am

re: #373 Decatur Deb

It’s only supposed to reach 95 f. in Lower Alabama today. Which is why I have to go now and start mowing.

Bring a bottle of water with ice in it.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:27:28am

re: #374 Sir John Barron

99% spitting at Hillary.

Which is what I meant last night when I said these types will have a new Bernie in 2020 and 2024. They always have these romances that never really last.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:27:46am

re: #376 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

I’m not so convinced, especially if it gives those covering things a chance to kick even more dirt at Hillary. Bernie’s endorsement did precious little because the argument pivoted at light speed toward the next bullshit attack trying to support the idea of ‘Corrupt Super Criminal Hillary ‘Bitch’ Clinton’

yeah the ironic thing is the BernieBusters never cared all that much about Bernie.

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Anymouse  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:27:46am

re: #326 Barefoot Grin

So far no news shows I’ve seen are addressing this point. They’re all about how the DNC (and not an individual) was plotting to use BS’s lack of religious beliefs against him. The media are suck.

Maybe that is why I cannot get support from either my county or state Democratic Party offices; my openly-stated lack-of-belief.

The fact I won two elections to my village board (city council)? Doesn’t matter, they don’t even return my calls, letters, or E-mails.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:28:01am

re: #372 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, I’m not saying that he controls them. I realize that a lot of them are locked in to some kind of revenge/justification fantasy. But Sanders telling them to get in line or fuck off at least deprives them of “We’re doing it for Bernie!”

Bernie is about to get the Robespierre Routine from his plebs.

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Alyosha  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:28:01am

re: #366 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

It’d feel better if it didn’t feel like the public was on the verge of siding with the horde at every turn no matter what you tried to say or do.

The public is the horde. Many seem to go with the one who has momentum. It’s why undecideds are rightly shit upon. Doesn’t mean their votes don’t still count :)

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:28:41am

re: #379 Sir John Barron

yeah the ironic thing is the BernieBusters never cared all that much about Bernie.

It was always about their egos hence why many of them happily jumped on the Stein train because Stein was willing to feed their egos.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:29:16am

re: #369 Belafon

Because DWS is incompetent. and it goes well beyond the email hack.

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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:29:48am

re: #370 calochortus

I’ve been engaging some anti-Hillary types on another site and they are far beyond paying any attention to what Bernie says. It’s kind of a mix between having the bit between their teeth (no one can tell them what to do) and old-school anarchism (burn it down and start a pure world anew.)

I try to keep a little distance, but throw in facts and ideas not because these folks are going to change, but because others outside our little political junkie world here will see them and maybe pass them on.

I keep trying this too. All that seems to happen is next right-wing meme pops up completely invalidating anything I had to say in the eyes of all observers except those already on my side, and even some of those get pulled away into believing not only am I not to be trusted on the one put, but on every single issue I try to espouse because I’m a dirty cuck/Shillary shill/SJW/LIEBERAL, etc.

It seems like nothing works, and trying only makes it fucking worse.

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Teukka  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:30:22am

So we had a slight torrential downpour earlier today here in Stockholm…
Video says it all…
svt.se

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:31:49am

I just do not understand how after 2000 that people could still have these purity delusions of grandeur. Okay, I’ll be the first to say it. Gore’s lost in 2000 was not all Ralph Nader’s fault but Ralph Nader did not help by wrongfully telling lefties that Gore was no better than Bush just as Stein does not help by saying Clinton is no different from Trump. And here’s the thing Berners who have jumped on the Stein wagon, she would do the same thing if Bernie had been the Democratic nominee, just look at her about face on Bernie when Bernie offered his support to Clinton.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:31:50am

Heh.

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Anymouse  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:33:03am

re: #373 Decatur Deb

It’s only supposed to reach 95 f. in Lower Alabama today. Which is why I have to go now and start mowing.

Today in Winnipeg it is right now 23C (73F). It is supposed to be sunny and 30C (86F) today. Good day for a walkabout to the city’s museums.

weather.gc.ca

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:34:00am

re: #388 SoundGuy 2016

Heh.

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Guess the same could be said for Facebook. I admit. I am guilty of falling for loud barking dogs while ignoring the pack as a whole.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:34:20am

re: #388 SoundGuy 2016

Heh.

of course the wafflers, Jill Stein, Donald Trump backing former Berners are at the DNC.

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KGxvi  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:34:36am

re: #380 Anymouse

Maybe that is why I cannot get support from either my county or state Democratic Party offices; my openly-stated lack-of-belief.

The fact I won two elections to my village board (city council)? Doesn’t matter, they don’t even return my calls, letters, or E-mails.

Unless and until someone who is either openly agnostic or atheist actually wins a major election (big state, governor or senate), I can’t imagine this changing. Which, honestly, I think is stupid, but with those claiming no religion at less than 20% of the population, parties are going to be scared to alienate the other 80%.

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calochortus  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:34:43am

re: #385 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

I keep trying this too. All that seems to happen is next right-wing meme pops up completely invalidating anything I had to say in the eyes of all observers except those already on my side, and even some of those get pulled away into believing not only am I not to be trusted on the one put, but on every single issue I try to espouse because I’m a dirty cuck/Shillary shill/SJW/LIEBERAL, etc.

It seems like nothing works, and trying only makes it fucking worse.

Maybe, but you have to remember that there are a fair number of people who read this stuff without ever jumping in. They will have seen the right wing memes anyway, and you might just get them to think a bit about reality or direct them to sources of actual information. It might not work in a strictly right-wing setting, but if you have a broader audience, go for it. Also, it helps to politely call others out on non-responsive replies, and not rise to the bait they toss out even if it means they get the last word. Do not allow them to derail you from the topic at hand.
Just my thoughts…

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Testy Toad T  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:35:12am

re: #388 SoundGuy 2016

Heh.

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I would love to talk to one of the two-percenters who consistently backed Hillary Clinton in the primaries but would vote for Trump in the general.

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nines09  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:36:03am

re: #280 Charles Johnson

If Trump wins, they can compare their Thrones and Crowns.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:36:24am

re: #394 Testy Toad T

I would love to talk to one of the two-percenters who consistently backed Hillary Clinton in the primaries but would vote for Trump in the general.

I want to meet someone who voted for Alf Landon in 1936 but voted for McGovern in 1972 and Mondale in 1984. Obviously long dead by then but I always think about those sort of things. But really how the hell do you go from consistently pro-Clinton to pro-Trump in the GE?

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Dr. Matt  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:36:59am

re: #384 GlutenFreeJesus

Because DWS is incompetent. and it goes well beyond the email hack.

I never thought she did a good job at the DNC. I’m glad she’s gone irrespective of the email hack.

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calochortus  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:37:10am

re: #396 HappyWarrior

I want to meet someone who voted for Alf Landon in 1936 but voted for McGovern in 1972 and Mondale in 1984. Obviously long dead by then but I always think about those sort of things. But really how the hell do you go from consistently pro-Clinton to pro-Trump in the GE?

Stroke? Dementia?

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Testy Toad T  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:37:17am

re: #396 HappyWarrior

I want to meet someone who voted for Alf Landon in 1936 but voted for McGovern in 1972 and Mondale in 1984. Obviously long dead by then but I always think about those sort of things. But really how the hell do you go from consistently pro-Clinton to pro-Trump in the GE?

There is a segment of the population that considers it their civic duty to lie to pollsters.

My dad’s one of ‘em. Drives me crazy.

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KGxvi  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:37:40am

re: #382 Alyosha

The public is the horde. Many seem to go with the one who has momentum. It’s why undecideds are rightly shit upon. Doesn’t mean their votes don’t still count :)

This seems appropriate:

Men in Black - People

(Also, I’ve been an undecided in a few elections over the years, despite being very politically aware. Sometimes, you just don’t like the candidates/nominees regardless of their policies, or in spite of their policies)

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:37:44am

So progressives are constantly saying the DNC has ignored them. Tonight’s two most prominent speakers? Oh only senators Warren and Sanders. But hey the DNC said mean things in emails about Bernie so let’s vote for Jill Stein who doesn’t give a fuck about anyone other than her own ego.

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Anymouse  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:38:02am

re: #392 KGxvi

Unless and until someone who is either openly agnostic or atheist actually wins a major election (big state, governor or senate), I can’t imagine this changing. Which, honestly, I think is stupid, but with those claiming no religion at less than 20% of the population, parties are going to be scared to alienate the other 80%.

And yet, that is a bigger voting bloc than African-Americans or Jews or Millenials.

At the last CPAC convention, American Atheists tried to set up a booth. The CPAC folks took their money, then threw them out, stating that atheism was incompatible with conservatism and the GOP. Although they got their money back, Silverstein was attempting to show the CPAC folks there are a lot more atheists around than CPAC thinks.

The Dems pushing us to the back of the bus really sticks in my craw. That has been done before: to women, to minorities, &c.

As for winning state offices, that won’t happen if they don’t support us when we run for lesser offices.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:38:50am

re: #398 calochortus

Stroke? Dementia?

Hah possibly. I’m always fascinated by people who do complete 180’s in their ideologies. I’ve seen far more cases at least of prominent people who started out more far left and became more far right with age then the other way around.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:39:10am

re: #399 Testy Toad T

There is a segment of the population that considers it their civic duty to lie to pollsters.

My dad’s one of ‘em. Drives me crazy.

Yeah that’s probably some of what that is.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:39:11am

re: #399 Testy Toad T

There is a segment of the population that considers it their civic duty to lie to pollsters.

My dad’s one of ‘em. Drives me crazy.

Like the 10% of people who didn’t vote for Cuccinelli for Virginia Governor because he wasn’t conservative enough?

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dangerman  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:39:23am

re: #387 HappyWarrior

re “purity”

it’s not a politically astute position

your ideas are not the only ideas
your ideas are not the best
your ideas are not even….”if only everyone would see what i see they’d agree that i’m right”

your ideas are yours

other people have their ideas
other other people have *their* ideas

then we vote

the one with the most votes wins and gets to be “in charge”

it’s really that simple

any other way to describe the process or result is political immaturity or naivete

yes the “system” is “rigged”
for those who cultivate connections and networks
for those with money
for those who participate

of course it is. every system is — for those who recognize they have whatever the current operative power du jour is - money, nepotism/connections, experience, language. whatever

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freetoken  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:39:30am

So much wailing and gnashing of teeth by the Berniebots….

I’m convinced that American politics has really gone towards some critical mass towards chaos.

Perhaps we should expect this as our population grows.

As the US becomes larger, even a candidate/party that gets a few percent of the electorate will end up with that few percent meaning millions of people.

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Alyosha  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:40:33am

Don’t forget how quickly things pass on by.
If you can steel yourself for a few news cycles, usually whatever controversy has been contrived up fades into nothingness again. How do you suppose Trump has got this far? He just rides it out.

This is but a passing fever-dream. A week from now the theatrics will have lost their current power and a more sober lense will fall into place.

I don’t know how I’m doing, but I’m just trying to keep morale up until klys takes over.

Until then: Whippings will continue until morale improves!

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Teukka  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:41:42am
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danarchy  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:43:04am

The Rio Olympics are going to be as big a dumpster fire as the RNC. As if the zika, tainted water, and doped up russians being allowed back in weren’t enough, now you have olympic athletes being abducted.

bleacherreport.com

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lawhawk  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:43:06am

Thought experiment:

What would a Wikileaks hack of RNC email look like?

We’d likely see credit card and SSN info.
We’d likely see emails critical of various candidates and their tactics.
We’d likely see that some people would be suggesting dumping candidates or attacking positions held by some candidates, or that we need to address how delegates are counted in future elections by open/closed changes etc.
We’d likely see emails questioning why someone who wasn’t a member of the GOP is suddenly taking advantage of the GOP party apparatus?

IOW, it’d be the same exact kind of thing we’re seeing from the DNC hacks that occurred months back.

Had that happened, it’d be the mirror image to the DNC leaks. And it’d still be laid at the Russian doorstep seeing how they’ve got their fingerprints all over it.

The issue is if the RNC had no criticism of the Trump campaign, it’s nonstop pandering to the bigots and incessant tweets of white supremacists. If they were silent on all that, it’d show that the RNC is indeed morally bankrupt to the core, and that there’s nothing left to salvage.

So, what do we take away from the DNC leaks? That there’s dissent and it’s not all HRC? That’s it? Or that there’s some who questioned why someone who wasn’t a member of the Democrats is suddenly taking advantage of the Democrats’ party apparatus? Seriously? Bernie bros will do their thing regardless of what information was actually leaked and what role it played in Bernie losing (hint - none).

Russia wants to disrupt our electoral process, and hacking political party accounts is one way to do it. Wikileaks is along for the ride and dropping the data because they don’t care about consequences; they’re playing the useful idiot role here.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:43:25am

re: #409 Teukka

BREAKING NEWS: FBI confirms it’s investigating DNC email hack

I am a proud Berniebro and the following words were the ones I read: FBI, Investigating, EMAIL

OMIGOSH IT’S HAPPENING YOU GUYS

//////

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Timothy Watson  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:43:27am

I mentioned Tim Kaine’s wife, Anne Holton, the other day. The Richmond Times-Dispatch has a long write-up about her:

When Hillary Clinton picked Tim Kaine as her running mate, she also got another partner who’s a power in her own right.

Anne Holton, Virginia’s secretary of education, is a lawyer, former judge and mother of three who is the only person to have lived in the Executive Mansion as a child and adult.

A well-known figure across the state since her father, Linwood Holton, was governor from 1970 to 1974, she stepped into the national spotlight Saturday, a central figure in what’s shaping up to be one of the most contentious presidential campaigns in decades.

On Saturday, she joined her husband and Clinton on stage at the rally in Miami. She was teary-eyed during her husband’s speech, and afterward they hugged lovingly.
She now will spend the next few months going across the country giving speeches, making appearances and shaking hands. She’ll likely show up on TV commercials, and her words could appear in news accounts the world over.

Those who know Holton — from the corridors of the state Capitol to Virginia’s rural classrooms and the North Side neighborhood where she has lived for years — describe her as a worthy campaigner who will be a powerful surrogate for her husband and Clinton.

“She has a unique perspective thanks to her years on the front lines of Virginia politics and her experience on the bench working with young people who are struggling to find their way,” Gov. Terry McAuliffe said Friday.

“Like her father and her husband, she can size up any person or any situation with lightning speed, and she is not afraid to speak her mind, but she speaks with a warmth that wins her allies even in the most difficult circumstances.”

richmond.com

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KGxvi  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:44:05am

re: #402 Anymouse

And yet, that is a bigger voting bloc than African-Americans or Jews or Millenials.

At the last CPAC convention, American Atheists tried to set up a booth. The CPAC folks took their money, then threw them out, stating that atheism was incompatible with conservatism and the GOP. Although they got their money back, Silverstein was attempting to show the CPAC folks there are a lot more atheists around than CPAC thinks.

The Dems pushing us to the back of the bus really sticks in my craw. That has been done before: to women, to minorities, &c.

What makes it equally frustrating is that a fairly decent portion of the 80% who claim a religious identification don’t necessarily attend worship services regularly. My family is a decent example - we (or really they, as I’m in the agnostic/atheist/don’t really care contingent) are Catholic; but my sister probably hasn’t been to Mass in 7 or 8 years, my mom basically only goes to Midnight Mass, and the extended family would probably burst into flames if they stepped into a church (assuming god exists and is that petty). It’s basically Christmas, weddings, and funerals. Of course, my niece and nephew are doing first communion classes (though my 8 year old niece is already questioning the stories).

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Brian J.  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:44:08am

re: #387 HappyWarrior

I just do not understand how after 2000 that people could still have these purity delusions of grandeur. Okay, I’ll be the first to say it. Gore’s lost in 2000 was not all Ralph Nader’s fault but Ralph Nader did not help by wrongfully telling lefties that Gore was no better than Bush just as Stein does not help by saying Clinton is no different from Trump. And here’s the thing Berners who have jumped on the Stein wagon, she would do the same thing if Bernie had been the Democratic nominee, just look at her about face on Bernie when Bernie offered his support to Clinton.

A lot of these kids weren’t paying attention to politics in 2000 because they were too young. They don’t know their recent history. (I’m with Jonathan Chait on this: “political correctness” beliefs prevent them from learning by assuring them that they’re the greatest people ever and have nothing to learn from the past.)

And you’re absolutely right about Nader. I’d go further: Occupy Wall Street and Black Lives Matter (and indeed all liberal protest against a Democratic president) have helped Trump and hurt Clinton, by feeding into his “America’s a hellhole” narrative. I think most public protest is pointless to counterproductive, but that goes double for protesting your own party’s administration.

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dangerman  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:44:18am

Don’t Use Our Song

in response to Trump and others using music without permission

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Franklin  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:44:24am

:)

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Belafon  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:44:24am

re: #384 GlutenFreeJesus

Because DWS is incompetent. and it goes well beyond the email hack.

Her getting a position in the Clinton campaign is such a meh that virtually everything else in existence is more important. There are plenty of important things to focus on, such as Putin’s influence over Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:47:53am

re: #415 Brian J.

A lot of these kids weren’t paying attention to politics in 2000 because they were too young. They don’t know their recent history. (I’m with Jonathan Chait on this: “political correctness” beliefs prevent them from learning by assuring them that they’re the greatest people ever and have nothing to learn from the past.)

And you’re absolutely right about Nader. I’d go further: Occupy Wall Street and Black Lives Matter (and indeed all liberal protest against a Democratic president) have helped Trump and hurt Clinton, by feeding into his “America’s a hellhole” narrative. I think most public protest is pointless to counterproductive, but that goes double for protesting your own party’s administration.

It’s not just the kids I’m afraid. In fact, a lot of the people I’m seeing the BoB shit from are people who remember the 2000 election quite well and sould know better.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:48:14am

re: #418 Belafon

Why bring her on after she was forced to resign as DNC head? Makes no sense. If it’s true.

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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:48:28am

re: #415 Brian J.

A lot of these kids weren’t paying attention to politics in 2000 because they were too young. They don’t know their recent history. (I’m with Jonathan Chait on this: “political correctness” beliefs prevent them from learning by assuring them that they’re the greatest people ever and have nothing to learn from the past.)

And you’re absolutely right about Nader. I’d go further: Occupy Wall Street and Black Lives Matter (and indeed all liberal protest against a Democratic president) have helped Trump and hurt Clinton, by feeding into his “America’s a hellhole” narrative. I think most public protest is pointless to counterproductive, but that goes double for protesting your own party’s administration.

As much as I reluctantly agree on the last part, I have to note that I still believe said protests are the right thing, because otherwise that shit just goes under the surface and festers without the feeling of anything done about it. Wall Street BS deserved to be protested. The disposability of black lives (and hell any lives that aren’t default Christian White Male) should be protested. That’s the right thing. But it’s the fucking Morton’s fork of somehow doing the right thing fucks you because everyone alreadly KNOWS you’re wrong. Not just your policies, but your existence is WRONG therefore everything you stand for must be wrong and must be denigrated and eradicated.

Doing the right thing morally is so goddamn often the wrong thing politically and it fucking makes me want to tear my hair out.

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Brian J.  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:50:13am

re: #380 Anymouse

Maybe that is why I cannot get support from either my county or state Democratic Party offices; my openly-stated lack-of-belief.

The fact I won two elections to my village board (city council)? Doesn’t matter, they don’t even return my calls, letters, or E-mails.

It’s kind of hard to organize atheists. How do you organize around the lack of something? It’d be like organizing people who have nothing in common except not enjoying baseball or not liking the color green.

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Alyosha  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:50:18am

re: #408 Alyosha

Case in point: Corbyn is still the leader of the Labour Party.
‘Just keep swimming…’

Okay, I’ll stop ranting. Should have been abed an hour ago.

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danarchy  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:51:27am

re: #411 lawhawk

Thought experiment:

What would a Wikileaks hack of RNC email look like?

We’d likely see credit card and SSN info.

We’d likely see emails critical of various candidates and their tactics.
We’d likely see that some people would be suggesting dumping candidates or

I don’t understand why this would be in email ever anywhere. Email is inherently an insecure protocol, and email ends up cached on unencrypted end user machines. There are actually laws with steep penalties for doing this sort of thing. I know for certain that massachusetts CMR201 17 specifically addresses this and if any of the SSN or credit card info exposed belonged to MA residents the DNC should be on the hook for big fines.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:52:12am

re: #418 Belafon

Her getting a position in the Clinton campaign is such a meh that virtually everything else in existence is more important There are plenty of important things to focus on, such as Putin’s influence over Trump.

I’m so tired of dealing with these children. Their candidate can’t lose, unless the victory is STOLEN!!!! Their opponent isn’t just someone they agree with LESS, she’s the ABSOLUTE WORST PERSON EVER!!! DWS can’t just lose her position, she has to be EXILED!!!!!!

Honestly, Trump’s leading in the polls right now, because he’s treating voters like children, and they’re responding like children, with all the thoughtless enthusiasm children bring to things. It’s like they’re all Bill Mumy’s Anthony in the Twilight Zone episode “It’s A Good Life”, and anyone who they don’t like is “A Very Bad Man!”

At this point, I almost want them to wish me to the cornfield.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:52:46am

re: #420 GlutenFreeJesus

Why bring her on after she was forced to resign as DNC head? Makes no sense. If it’s true.

How about to get her to resign peacefully?

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lawhawk  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:53:43am
Guess today’s a good day to break out all the panic gifs
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dangerman  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:54:20am

re: #421 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

Doing the right thing morally is so goddamn often the wrong thing politically and it fucking makes me want to tear my hair out.

especially when the political route might end up in the same place, just later

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Testy Toad T  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:55:52am

re: #413 Timothy Watson

I mentioned Tim Kaine’s wife, Anne Holton, the other day. The Richmond Times-Dispatch has a long write-up about her:

richmond.com

Would Holton be the first Second Lady to not take her husband’s last name? That would be neat.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:56:38am

re: #425 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m so tired of dealing with these children. Their candidate can’t lose, unless the victory is STOLEN!!!! Their opponent isn’t just someone they agree with LESS, she’s the ABSOLUTE WORST PERSON EVER!!! DWS can’t just lose her position, she has to be EXILED!!!!!!

Honestly, Trump’s leading in the polls right now, because he’s treating voters like children, and they’re responding like children, with all the thoughtless enthusiasm children bring to things. It’s like they’re all Bill Mumy’s Anthony in the Twilight Zone episode “It’s A Good Life”, and anyone who they don’t like is “A Very Bad Man!”

At this point, I almost want them to wish me to the cornfield.

It really as I’ve said I’m afraid a left wing TP like mindset. You’re right. Their guy can’t lose legitimately. It has to been a stolen victory. Clinton can’t be someone they have ideological and approach disagreements, she has to be “neoliberal Republican lite sell out Shillary” and that’s some of the more kinder language they’ve used on her. I asked this last night but if the roles were reversed, the Sanders people would rightfully be expecting Democrats to rally behind Bernie and I said I’d be happily doing that despite some of my reservations about him and how he does things because quite frankly those problems are minor when I see what my problems with the GOP. I’d rather have well meaning Bernie than Trump or any of the people from the GOP clown car as President. Yet they can’t afford Clinton the same courtesy and it’s because of that very fact that I have no sympathy for their feelings being hurt.

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dangerman  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:57:01am

re: #425 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m so tired of dealing with these children. Their candidate can’t lose, unless the victory is STOLEN!!!! Their opponent isn’t just someone they agree with LESS, she’s the ABSOLUTE WORST PERSON EVER!!! DWS can’t just lose her position, she has to be EXILED!!!!!!

Honestly, Trump’s leading in the polls right now, because he’s treating voters like children, and they’re responding like children, with all the thoughtless enthusiasm children bring to things. It’s like they’re all Bill Mumy’s Anthony in the Twilight Zone episode “It’s A Good Life”, and anyone who they don’t like is “A Very Bad Man!”

At this point, I almost want them to wish me to the cornfield.

as i said, political immaturity and ineffective besides

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makeitstop  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:58:28am

I put up this post on Facebook this morning:

If you’re not asking yourself why Russia is trying to swing the US presidential election, you might want to start thinking about that.

The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend.

I’ve got Bernie supporters chiming in, and even they are copping to the fact that there is something very, very wrong about this. A lot of my old line Democrat friends are backing me up. Hopefully, people will stop and think about how potentially damaging Trump’s entanglement with Russian mobsters could be.

Also - not a single wingnut has joined the thread. I think even they realize how toxic this is.

This story has legs. I want Clinton-Kaine to hammer it relentlessly. It could even dilute some of the Old White Guy vote - people who are old enough still recoil at the mention of KGB.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 8:59:45am

re: #429 Testy Toad T

Would Holton be the first Second Lady to not take her husband’s last name? That would be neat.

I think you’d be right about that. Tipper Gore took Al’s name and Jill Biden took Joe’s name. I liked Kaine’s story about how when busing was a huge controversy in the early 70’s, his father in law sent Anne and her siblings to the schools and when he was later mayor of Richmond, he sent his kids to public schools too that were predominately African-American. I think a lot of progressives were and still are unaware of how genuine Kaine is with the African-American community. It’s not just him being a Civil Rights lawyer, it’s how he did governing as mayor of Richmond. And he did a lot to help Richmond do better too.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:00:08am

re: #430 HappyWarrior

It really as I’ve said I’m afraid a left wing TP like mindset. You’re right. Their guy can’t lose legitimately. It has to been a stolen victory. Clinton can’t be someone they have ideological and approach disagreements, she has to be “neoliberal Republican lite sell out Shillary” and that’s some of the more kinder language they’ve used on her. I asked this last night but if the roles were reversed, the Sanders people would rightfully be expecting Democrats to rally behind Bernie and I said I’d be happily doing that despite some of my reservations about him and how he does things because quite frankly those problems are minor when I see what my problems with the GOP. I’d rather have well meaning Bernie than Trump or any of the people from the GOP clown car as President. Yet they can’t afford Clinton the same courtesy and it’s because of that very fact that I have no sympathy for their feelings being hurt.

I’ll tell you the difference between the TP and the Berniebros, though - the TP would lose the primary and then get out and work for and vote for the guy who won, because they knew that electing a Republican was still going to get them closer to their goal, plus they’d have put the fear of the TP into that candidate.

Progressives? I see no such determination in them. If they don’t get their pony, thy want to burn the whole thing down.

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KGxvi  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:00:49am

re: #429 Testy Toad T

Would Holton be the first Second Lady to not take her husband’s last name? That would be neat.

Well, technically, Eleanor Roosevelt didn’t take her husband’s last name… but that’s only because it was already her last name

(EDIT: also, I apparently need more coffee because my reading comprehension is shit at the moment)

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:00:51am

re: #434 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ll tell you the difference between the TP and the Berniebros, though - the TP would lose the primary and then get out and work for and vote for the guy who won, because they knew that electing a Republican was still going to get them closer to their goal, plus they’d have put the fear of the TP into that candidate.

Progressives? I see no such determination in them. If they don’t get their pony, thy want to burn the whole thing down.

That’s very true too.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:01:13am

re: #435 KGxvi

Well, technically, Eleanor Roosevelt didn’t take her husband’s last name… but that’s only because it was already her last name

She wasn’t the second lady also :).

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stpaulbear  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:01:16am

Everyone should take a couple minutes to chill out and read Gail Collins’ NYT column this morning. I’m linking via Balloon Juice because the photo AL posted is so perfect. The first quote is in reference to Hillary’s NY senate campaign.

The thing I remember most about those trips from Oneonta to Cooperstown to Horseheads — besides the tedium — was the intense reaction she got from middle-aged women, who yelled and waved and begged for autographs. They were the ones who remembered what it was like when the newspapers had separate “help wanted” columns for men and women, who needed a male co-signer when they got their first car loans. I suspected that a lot of them, like me, still had credit cards in their husbands’ names because that was just the way things worked when they first began to charge stuff at Macy’s or use American Express.

… Young women are not universally crazy about the first-woman thing. Some just see her as an imperfect candidate. For others, it’s because the whole gender thing seems like yesterday’s news. “There aren’t as many overt questions about ‘Can a woman do it? Is it something the country is ready for?’ ” Clinton acknowledged.

That’s probably true, and if it is, she deserves a lot of the credit. You can argue the pros and cons of Hillary Clinton’s character, or her potential to change the nation, or her position on trade policy. But you can never take away the fact that she was the one who made the idea of a woman becoming president so normal that many young women are bored by it…

Whatever her defects, she is a candidate with a very long and event-filled history of toughing things out, who finds solace in stupendously hard work and in doing her homework. She’s one of the best-known people on the planet, but she can happily spend a day listening to complaints about watershed pollution or flying halfway around the world to sit through a conference on sustainable development.

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Skip Intro  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:01:39am

re: #291 lawhawk

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Indeed it does. Trump’s all fanboy with Putin, even though Putin is a US rival and has undermined US interests for years, including going after Ukraine, undermining US efforts to stop IS, etc.

Everybody likes - no, LOVES Trump. He says so himself every chance he gets, so why wouldn’t Putin like him?

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KGxvi  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:02:05am

re: #437 HappyWarrior

She wasn’t the second lady also :).

see my edit above

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:02:55am

Oh look who’s sneaking around the DNC trying to stir up some fakery

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:03:35am

re: #440 KGxvi

see my edit above

All good. I’ve been there before.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:04:38am

re: #441 The Vicious Babushka

Oh look who’s sneaking around the DNC trying to stir up some fakery

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I don’t see what the big deal with what the delegate said is. It’s about language and rhetoric. Fucking gun humpers.

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dangerman  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:05:11am

re: #434 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ll tell you the difference between the TP and the Berniebros, though - the TP would lose the primary and then get out and work for and vote for the guy who won, because they knew that electing a Republican was still going to get them closer to their goal, plus they’d have put the fear of the TP into that candidate.

Progressives? I see no such determination in them. If they don’t get their pony, thy want to burn the whole thing down.

also they spent years “infiltrating” into the rnc et al
you become part of the system you can vote on the things that matter to the process. wield power you gain from within.

how many local democratic party positions are unfilled right now?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:05:55am
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ObserverArt  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:07:58am

re: #251 Great White Snark

Verizon buys Yahoo? AT&T Girl is skeptical

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ATT Girl represents my skepticism.

ATT Uvers customers, like me, have their email through Yahoo email servers, etc.

I am wondering where this is going to go due to conflicts. I never wanted Yahoo…my account actually started out as SBC Global when I had their original DSL. When it all became ATT my sbcglobal.net account went to the Yahoo servers. Sometime Yahoo email sucks bad.

So, hopefully ATT takes control of their own email. But then that might suck too!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:09:49am

re: #444 dangerman

also they spent years “infiltrating” into the rnc et al
you become part of the system you can vote on the things that matter to the process. wield power you gain from within.

how many local democratic party positions are unfilled right now?

A lot of progressives simply don’t get that all politics is local. They’d rather have a progressive firebrand at the top of the ticket for the highest office in the land than work for the election of local progressives on a local level. They may hate the centrists in the Democratic Party but the fact of the matter is those like the Clintons worked very hard to build success of their brand. They won elections and what’s more is they governed effectively. The far left in the party meanwhile seems to value purity and ideology over governing.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:11:28am

Wikileaks is threatening journalists now

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dangerman  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:11:57am

re: #447 HappyWarrior

A lot of progressives simply don’t get that all politics is local. They’d rather have a progressive firebrand at the top of the ticket for the highest office in the land than work for the election of local progressives on a local level. They may hate the centrists in the Democratic Party but the fact of the matter is those like the Clintons worked very hard to build success of their brand. They won elections and what’s more is they governed effectively. The far left in the party meanwhile seems to value purity and ideology over governing.

i agree and i’m adding. all politics is easier and substantially more effective if you’re in the room at the table.

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sagehen  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:12:24am

Andrea Mitchell is pushing HARD on Reince Priebus about whether Russia is trying to tip the election to Donald Trump. That Vladimir Putin loves Donald Trump. Why didn’t the Russians hack both parties, why only the DNC?

He’s sputtering, and sweating, and trying to change the subject, but she Will. Not. Let. It. Go.

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Teukka  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:14:00am

re: #448 The Vicious Babushka

Wikileaks is threatening journalists now

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Something is up.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:14:07am

re: #448 The Vicious Babushka

Wikileaks is threatening journalists now

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Come out of the Ecudaorian embassy like a man, Julian.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:14:58am

re: #450 sagehen

Andrea Mitchell is pushing HARD on Reince Priebus about whether Russia is trying to tip the election to Donald Trump. That Vladimir Putin loves Donald Trump. Why didn’t the Russians hack both parties, why only the DNC?

He’s sputtering, and sweating, and trying to change the subject, but she Will. Not. Let. It. Go.

Good, glad to see some journalists are atually hitting on this point. Trump’s affinity for Putin needs to be brought to teh nation’s attention.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:15:11am

re: #421 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

Take this for whatever it’s worth:

Protesting in and of itself doesn’t fix a thing. Never has, never, ever will. This is the mistake a lot of protest movements make. Especially in the internet age. For some reason “activism” seems to consist of protesting, complaining, yelling and petitions and not much beyond that. Protests are only the beginning of getting shit done. Not the end. There are more than a few people at these events who aren’t even registered to vote and don’t understand basic civics as well, and this is a problem, not confined to protesting to be sure.

But, and this is the main point, protests are a great place to meet people like you, who want many of the same things you do. Great things can rise from that, and that’s what I love about that sort of stuff. The thing is perspective. It’s key. You bring people together and get them fired up, you have to give them an answer to “now what?” or it’s becomes a joke.

I used to think anarchy would be a good thing. Until I hung out with some anarchists for awhile. Lordy. You think berniebros are insufferable assholes? Ha. To the last one, all of them were white, came from well off families and were not the least bit concerned where the money would come from for their education, housing and so on. Spoiled brats who thought it would be a simple matter of tearing it all down and then building it again like replacing an abandoned shopping mall with condos. Never mind who gets hurt in the process because they wouldn’t feel it and couldn’t think that far ahead.

Needless to say, I didn’t last long. It’s great to have big plans, but implementing them is another matter entirely.

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calochortus  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:15:18am

re: #450 sagehen

Andrea Mitchell is pushing HARD on Reince Priebus about whether Russia is trying to tip the election to Donald Trump. That Vladimir Putin loves Donald Trump. Why didn’t the Russians hack both parties, why only the DNC?

He’s sputtering, and sweating, and trying to change the subject, but she Will. Not. Let. It. Go.

Good. I trust people will keep this up.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:15:27am

re: #448 The Vicious Babushka

Wikileaks is threatening journalists now

Sounds like Rage Furby: Me and my awesome team of billion-dollar lawyers are watching you!

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dangerman  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:15:52am

re: #450 sagehen

Andrea Mitchell is pushing HARD on Reince Priebus about whether Russia is trying to tip the election to Donald Trump. That Vladimir Putin loves Donald Trump. Why didn’t the Russians hack both parties, why only the DNC?

He’s sputtering, and sweating, and trying to change the subject, but she Will. Not. Let. It. Go.

if i were him (which i’m not) i’d say how the heck do i know why they only hacked one party. ask them.

that he’s “He’s sputtering, and sweating, and trying to change the subject”, well…

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Skip Intro  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:16:03am

re: #450 sagehen

I’m pleasantly surprised by this. I didn’t think they had it in them.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:16:05am

re: #448 The Vicious Babushka

Wikileaks is threatening journalists now

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Transparency for thee, but not for me.

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Belafon  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:16:05am

re: #450 sagehen

Andrea Mitchell is pushing HARD on Reince Priebus about whether Russia is trying to tip the election to Donald Trump. That Vladimir Putin loves Donald Trump. Why didn’t the Russians hack both parties, why only the DNC?

He’s sputtering, and sweating, and trying to change the subject, but she Will. Not. Let. It. Go.

Who kidnapped Andrea Mitchell and replaced her with this version?

//

Good.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:17:09am

re: #451 Teukka

Something is up.

They retweeted Ann Coulter yesterday.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:17:31am

re: #459 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Transparency for thee, but not for me.

When did “government shouldn’t keep secrets” (already a dubious notion) mutate into “we have a right to read the email of private citizens”?

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lawhawk  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:17:54am

Fascists and their supporters (courtesy of SMOTI retweeting):

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Sir John Barron  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:18:36am

re: #413 Timothy Watson

I mentioned Tim Kaine’s wife, Anne Holton, the other day. The Richmond Times-Dispatch has a long write-up about her:

richmond.com

Her father was a GOP governor IIRC.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:19:11am

re: #461 Stanley Sea

They retweeted Ann Coulter yesterday.

the circle of derp is almost complete.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:19:17am

re: #462 Testy Toad T

When did “government shouldn’t keep secrets” (already a dubious notion) mutate into “we have a right to read the email of private citizens”?

Exactly.

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danarchy  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:19:47am

re: #457 dangerman

if i were him (which i’m not) i’d say how the heck do i know why they only hacked one party. ask them.

That was my thought as well. Maybe throw in a little DNC dig too and say “maybe they tried to hack the RNC too but our security was better.”

That may be asking for someone like anonymous to prove him wrong though.

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calochortus  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:20:07am

re: #454 A Mom Anon

If I understand the “classical” anarchist’s position, the idea was that the old, corrupt industrial (aka corporate) and government structures would be pulled down in in their place there would arise a spontaneous, virtuous government of, for and by the people. It has never happened.
Then you have those who just figure they’re the biggest, baddest guy in the room and can take what they want if others don’t band together to stop them. That has a better chance of success, but sadly doesn’t do much for the vast majority of people.

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sagehen  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:21:44am

re: #420 GlutenFreeJesus

Why bring her on after she was forced to resign as DNC head? Makes no sense. If it’s true.

It’s a meaningless honorary position. Not an operational job.

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Belafon  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:22:00am

re: #457 dangerman

if i were him (which i’m not) i’d say how the heck do i know why they only hacked one party. ask them.

that he’s “He’s sputtering, and sweating, and trying to change the subject”, well…

Maybe they were hacked, he knows it, and they coordinated not to release that information.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:23:23am

re: #464 Sir John Barron

Her father was a GOP governor IIRC.

Virginia’s first GOP one since Reconstruction and someone who sent his kids to integrated schools during the busing controversies. Former Governor Holton is still with us and has supported a lot of Democrats including President Obama as well as his son in law in recent memory. He’s a good guy. A throw back to when the GOP wasn’t a festering ball of rage.

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Belafon  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:25:33am

re: #470 Belafon

Maybe they were hacked, he knows it, and they coordinated not to release that information.

Actually, they wouldn’t even have to coordinate, since as long as neither side releases, the information just doesn’t get out.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:26:10am

I think I’m suffering from politics fatigue, particularly Trump fatigue.

I’m going to enjoy the DNC this week as best I can, and then I’ll think I take a nice, long hiatus from following politics very closely. I hope I can hold out for at least a couple weeks.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:26:29am

The thing is when Virginia was a more solid GOP state, we actually had quite a few prominent moderate GOPers. John Warner is another example, Tom Davis who teaches at my alma mater is another one(I have no idea who he’s supporting but I can’t imagine he thinks much of Trump), and a lot of other local types too. But unfortunately as the state’s gotten more diverse, the GOP has gotten more nasty, it’s produced people like Ken Cuccinneli, E.W Jackson, Bob Marshall, and Dick Black.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:27:02am

re: #473 A wild WITHAK appeared!

I think I’m suffering from politics fatigue, particularly Trump fatigue.

I’m going to enjoy the DNC this week as best I can, and then I’ll think I take a nice, long hiatus from following politics very closely. I hope I can hold out for at least a couple weeks.

I hear ya. I’m exhausted too. It’s hard to escape it since my faceook feed is filled with peopel talking about it.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:27:33am

Happy Warrior -

check this

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calochortus  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:28:05am

Must go clean kitchen. Laterz, all.

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freetoken  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:28:07am

I see people on Facebook saying that Drumpfskind “is the lesser of two evils.”

I wonder about what sort of universe in which they dwell when “evil” is defined as such.

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lawhawk  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:28:30am

Isn’t that lovely.

This has been an issue in other states where the laws were not clear about privacy, the crime being committed, or a combination of issues. Georgia’s just the latest to have to deal with this. The law doesn’t always keep up with the tech.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:28:54am

re: #476 Stanley Sea

Happy Warrior -

check this

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Thanks! I’ll definitely look at it.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:29:26am

re: #420 GlutenFreeJesus

Why bring her on after she was forced to resign as DNC head? Makes no sense. If it’s true.

The Zen of Dem.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:30:03am

re: #478 freetoken

I see people on Facebook saying that Drumpfskind “is the lesser of two evils.”

I wonder what sort of universe in which they dwell when “evil” is defined as such.

I just don’t know how the hell anyone can say that. I mean I get that people don’t like Clinton. Some of it I think is bullshit but whatever but to say Trump is less worse than Clinton? You’re a fucking moron if you actually think that.

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makeitstop  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:30:22am

re: #450 sagehen

Andrea Mitchell is pushing HARD on Reince Priebus about whether Russia is trying to tip the election to Donald Trump. That Vladimir Putin loves Donald Trump. Why didn’t the Russians hack both parties, why only the DNC?

He’s sputtering, and sweating, and trying to change the subject, but she Will. Not. Let. It. Go.

This gives me hope. Maybe there’s enough residual memory of the ‘Evil Empire’ to set off alarm bells with the older journos.

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Belafon  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:30:53am

re: #478 freetoken

I see people on Facebook saying that Drumpfskind “is the lesser of two evils.”

I wonder about what sort of universe in which they dwell when “evil” is defined as such.

Siding with the Russians, eh, no big deal. //

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:31:04am

re: #475 HappyWarrior

On Twitter, I’ll be muting at least half of my follows. Maybe more, and just cut it down to cute animal pics and non-political humor accounts.

On Facebook, I’ll be actively de-friending known Trump supporters (mostly people from high school I haven’t talked to in almost 20 years), hiding political posts, and unfollowing people who post too much political stuff, on any side of it.

In real life, I’ll be politely refraining from discussing any of it with anyone.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:31:21am

re: #450 sagehen

This is an easy one for the media to latch onto and go after them on. That’s why it’s happening. Most of these “reporters” have been going after Russia and going after Putin for things he’s done. Now you have what appears to be a foreign government interfering in our elections to tip the scales towards their preferred candidate. To top it off several of the people working in the Trump campaign have lobbied on behalf of/worked for pro russia and pro putin groups.

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dangerman  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:32:36am

re: #478 freetoken

I see people on Facebook saying that Drumpfskind “is the lesser of two evils.”

I wonder what sort of universe in which they dwell when “evil” is defined as such.

maybe they meant “weevils” or even

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:32:42am

re: #485 A wild WITHAK appeared!

On Twitter, I’ll be muting at least half of my follows. Maybe more, and just cut it down to cute animal pics and non-political humor accounts.

On Facebook, I’ll be actively de-friending known Trump supporters (mostly people from high school I haven’t talked to in almost 20 years), hiding political posts, and unfollowing people who post too much political stuff, on any side of it.

In real life, I’ll be politely refraining from discussing any of it with anyone.

Sounds like a plan. I don’t do Twitter so that’s easy. Definitely need to come up with an algorthim for Facebook. Perhaps more than 6 political posts in 24 hour time gets you unfollowed. Most people I thankfully don’t like Trump even one of my good friends who suddenly realized he’s a wingnut but his views are still quite toxic.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:32:47am

Is Rage Furby in Philly?

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Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:33:10am

re: #487 dangerman

maybe they meant “weevils” or even
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“Never mind.”

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dangerman  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:33:49am

re: #482 HappyWarrior

I just don’t know how the hell anyone can say that. I mean I get that people don’t like Clinton. Some of it I think is bullshit but whatever but to say Trump is less worse than Clinton? You’re a fucking moron if you actually think that.

she’s competent, professional, and experienced
he’s ___________________

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sagehen  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:35:27am

re: #479 lawhawk

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Isn’t that lovely.

This has been an issue in other states where the laws were not clear about privacy, the crime being committed, or a combination of issues. Georgia’s just the latest to have to deal with this. The law doesn’t always keep up with the tech.

One would think it’s a pretty obvious invasion of privacy.

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ObserverArt  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:35:48am

re: #339 Alyosha

A close-looking race will boost voter turnout.
That’s how I’m choosing to look at these polls showing Trump ahead.

Plus: don’t forget the debates. That will be the ultimate eye-opener.

It might look bleak at times, but Clinton has got this. She’s no shrinking violet and Trump is too-easily led.

Thank you for that take. It’s good to get some rational thinking.

So many people are going to bleed out before we even get to the debates. There’s a lot of blood letting already…and we aren’t even in the real meat of the first day of the 2016 DNC.

I swear…Twitter and Facebook should be held responsible for nervous breakdowns and premature deaths from all the freakouts.

Being 60+ all I can add is this stuff always happened in all elections. The problem now is they are shared and shared and shared again. Back when some of us were younger you may have heard about some funny political business but it wasn’t spread like an Ebola virus. Now, everyone catches it and the worry spreads.

I seriously wonder if this is a good thing or not.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:36:04am

re: #491 dangerman

she’s competent, professional, and experienced
he’s ___________________

Exactly. I mean I try pointing out to people who don’t like Clinton that at least she’s going to have competent people advising her and policies that actually make sense. I really think so many of the people who quickly embraced Bernie and I do including many in my own family only saw the platform and ignored the reality of what was going on.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:38:28am

re: #491 dangerman

she’s competent, professional, and experienced
he’s ___________________

completely unqualified to hold office….any office.

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ObserverArt  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:38:35am

re: #351 Blind Frog Belly White

It would be helpful if he called a meeting of his delegates and told them to knock it the fuck off.

I hope he and Elizabeth Warren both rip into the fools. Time for some damn schooling. And it is not a young person thing, some of the people I’ve seen being totally ridiculous are old enough to know better.

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dangerman  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:39:04am

re: #339 Alyosha

A close-looking race will boost voter turnout.
That’s how I’m choosing to look at these polls showing Trump ahead.

Plus: don’t forget the debates. That will be the ultimate eye-opener.

It might look bleak at times, but Clinton has got this. She’s no shrinking violet and Trump is too-easily led.

bumped for ^^^ this

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:39:35am

re: #496 ObserverArt

I hope he and Elizabeth Warren both rip into the fools. Time for some damn schooling. And it is not a young person thing, some of the people I’ve seen being totally ridiculous are old enough to know better.

At this point, I’m not sure if many of the more strident Busters won’t even listen to Warren and/or Sanders himself, because they’ve “sold out.”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:40:16am

re: #496 ObserverArt

I hope he and Elizabeth Warren both rip into the fools. Time for some damn schooling. And it is not a young person thing, some of the people I’ve seen being totally ridiculous are old enough to know better.

Thanks for pointing that out. It’s easy to see the Berners as all being idealistic kids but they’re not. i admit that I’m atypical for my age group in that I never fell in love with Bernie but I didn’t like it being portrayed as the hopeful Bernie kids versus the jaded Clinton olds. It was never that simple.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:40:58am

re: #498 A wild WITHAK appeared!

At this point, I’m not sure if many of the more strident Busters won’t even listen to Warren and/or Sanders himself, because they’ve “sold out.”

Hopefully Bernie hits a home run of a speech tonight and that helps get them in order.

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dangerman  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:42:07am

re: #494 HappyWarrior

Exactly. I mean I try pointing out to people who don’t like Clinton that at least she’s going to have competent people advising her and policies that actually make sense. I really think so many of the people who quickly embraced Bernie and I do including many in my own family only saw the platform and ignored the reality of what was going on.

this is part of the reason why only certain people (the elite the establishment - whatever) go into or end up in politics. operational politics is work. in a sense voluntary work. so you kinda gotta like it to get into it.

a lot of people with passionate ideas and positions dont want to do the actual work, so the only ones left inside or in DC or the state capital or wherever are the political “doers”

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dangerman  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:43:13am

re: #495 Dr. Matt

completely unqualified to hold office….any office.

maybe a cubicle
in a call center
that only pays by commission on results

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wrenchwench  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:44:05am
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ObserverArt  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:44:35am

re: #352 GlutenFreeJesus

Did Hillary just bring DWS into her campaign? I’ve only seen this reported at RWNJ sites. If so, this is pretty stupid. But I’m skeptical given the sources and postings of Berners on my FB.

fortune.com

They are friends politically. Should that be considered or should she ignore her to please a bunch of people losing their shit?

It is not like DWS is a total ignoramus regarding politics.

I wonder if some even knew who she was one year ago.

(Not aimed at you GlutenFree)

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:44:53am

re: #501 dangerman

this is part of the reason why only certain people (the elite the establishment - whatever) go into or end up in politics. operational politics is work. in a sense voluntary work. so you kinda gotta like it to get into it.

a lot of people with passionate ideas and positions dont want to do the actual work, so the only ones left inside or in DC or the state capital or wherever are the political “doers”

Absolutely. I mean I know I am a lot more pragmatic than I was when I was younger but I still think I’m too idealistic for politics as a career. Honestly, I never got the disdain for career politicians to be truthful. A lot of “outsider politicians” are usually people who have no idea what the hell they’re talking about and appealing to people’s fears and resentments.

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dangerman  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:44:57am

re: #498 A wild WITHAK appeared!

At this point, I’m not sure if many of the more strident Busters won’t even listen to Warren and/or Sanders himself, because they’ve “sold out.”

i’m sure i’m sounding like a broken record

they never were coming over
register 5 new democrats instead. faster easier and “doesnt annoy the pig”

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Sir John Barron  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:45:10am

re: #489 Dr. Matt

Is Rage Furby in Philly?

Depends if he was able to get a sponsor to pay up for the flight, fleabag motel, etc.

/

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ObserverArt  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:46:41am

re: #369 Belafon

I’m curious why it matters.

Because DWS is The EVIL!

The media told them so.

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freetoken  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:46:59am

These stories are now so common as to barely move the conversation:

Fort Myers Shooting: 2 Dead, More Than Dozen Wounded After Teen Event

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Testy Toad T  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:49:36am

re: #498 A wild WITHAK appeared!

At this point, I’m not sure if many of the more strident Busters won’t even listen to Warren and/or Sanders himself, because they’ve “sold out.”

Or they will be parsing hairs during the speeches, looking for signals that the senators are under some sort of political duress, trying to secretly send the message to their supporters that they are supporting Clinton against their will.

I’m only kind of kidding.

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ObserverArt  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:49:40am

re: #372 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, I’m not saying that he controls them. I realize that a lot of them are locked in to some kind of revenge/justification fantasy. But Sanders telling them to get in line or fuck off at least deprives them of “We’re doing it for Bernie!”

And that may be a good thing as it will prove to those still deciding that it never was about Bernie with some of the loudmouths.

Time for some separation in the Bernie supporters group.

Those with their heads on straight over here.

Those that want to throw fits…please leave now.

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Lidane  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:49:48am
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sagehen  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:50:54am

re: #503 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

OMG CATS ARE MUSLIMS!!

(no wonder they keep trying to kill us in our sleep)

//

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:51:44am
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ObserverArt  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:51:50am

re: #373 Decatur Deb

It’s only supposed to reach 95 f. in Lower Alabama today. Which is why I have to go now and start mowing.

90° here in Columbus with a ‘feels-like” rating of 97° due to the air which is so think with humidity it is laying on the ground outside in a pool.

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Lidane  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:54:29am

re: #514 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

The FBI is investigating the DNC email hack.

Erick, Son of Erick was bleating the other day about how horrible the DNC hack was because Russia, but it’s ALSO horrible that the FBI has no moral authority to do anything about it because Hillary wasn’t carted off in chains. So basically, we’re fucked.

*headdesk*

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:55:52am

re: #367 Testy Toad T

It would change the optics and the coverage rather substantially. Coverage would treat these dead-end losers as fringe nutters rather than representatives of the runner-up.

I assume that today Bernie will give a rousing endorsement to Hillary and shred Trump. That should take most of the air out of the Bernieorbusters.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 25, 2016 • 9:59:04am

re: #514 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

The FBI is investigating the DNC email hack.

ARREST DWS!!!!!111

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A Mom Anon  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:01:06am

re: #503 wrenchwench

Gray tabbies are my favorite kitty (don’t tell my black and white kitty with the cow markings). I had a teeny little petite one named Sasha who I loved. She weighed 8 lbs full grown and had the most gorgeous face and green eyes. I miss her. She was killed by a coyote a few years ago. I used to let both cats outside in the morning before all the building and road widening started here several years ago. They would come back if it rained or when I called for them. One day she never came home. I found out not that long ago a neighbor had found her remains and didn’t quite know how to tell me. Cow Kitty Boy has been an indoor cat ever since, which I know he hates. If Sasha had lived she’d be 15 now. Sigh.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:03:07am

Just a reminder, Merrick Garland has been waiting for a vote THE LONGEST TIME IN HISTORY

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:05:05am

re: #520 The Vicious Babushka

Just a reminder, Merrick Garland has been waiting for a vote THE LONGEST TIME IN HISTORY

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Yep. Honestly I hope if it’s still like this when Clinton gets elected, he’s given a vote. He deserves it.

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Belafon  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:06:08am

re: #520 The Vicious Babushka

Just a reminder, Merrick Garland has been waiting for a vote THE LONGEST TIME IN HISTORY

Republicans trying to destroy government by handcuffing the executive and judicial branches, and allowing Russians to influence the election. But, we all know that’s nothing compared to one email talking about Sanders religious beliefs or lack thereof.

//

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lawhawk  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:06:58am

So much for that post; the tweet was taken down. Oh well.

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BeachDem  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:08:01am

re: #504 ObserverArt

They are friends politically. Should that be considered or should she ignore her to please a bunch of people losing their shit?

It is not like DWS is a total ignoramus regarding politics.

I wonder if some even knew who she was one year ago.

(Not aimed at you GlutenFree)

Thank you for saying this. I don’t think she was good as DNC head, although she did devote considerable time and energy to it—showing up at state events to speak and fundraise etc.

But DNC issues aside, I’ve had her on my radar ever since the Terri Schiavo travesty—she was strong in shooting down the right-winger idiocy, and being a Florida rep gave even more weight to her words.

She was also there for Gaby Giffords in a big way.

She’s not perfect by any means (hated her view on payday lenders example) but she’s not this evil incarnate figure they’re painting her.

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ObserverArt  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:08:25am

re: #402 Anymouse

And yet, that is a bigger voting bloc than African-Americans or Jews or Millenials.

At the last CPAC convention, American Atheists tried to set up a booth. The CPAC folks took their money, then threw them out, stating that atheism was incompatible with conservatism and the GOP. Although they got their money back, Silverstein was attempting to show the CPAC folks there are a lot more atheists around than CPAC thinks.

The Dems pushing us to the back of the bus really sticks in my craw. That has been done before: to women, to minorities, &c.

As for winning state offices, that won’t happen if they don’t support us when we run for lesser offices.

Have the Dems pushed you to the back of the bus?

You do know that nothing ever was done with the info and the idiot that said it apologized for even thinking it.

So, one over enthusiastic meathead is causing all this, Is that pushing anyone to the back of the bus?

And my apology if I am reading your comment wrong.

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Skip Intro  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:09:09am

re: #507 Sir John Barron

Depends if he was able to get a sponsor to pay up for the flight, fleabag motel, etc.

/

I think it’s safe to say that Peter Theil is sponsoring Rage just like he’s sponsoring O’Keefe. He really does want to burn down the house.

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KingKenrod  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:09:22am

Well https://reddit.com/r/The_Donald, where Trump is doing his AMA, is a real cesspool. Look at the list of AMA’s on the side.

I’ll translate: cuck cuck cuck I was for BERNIE, now I’m for TRUMP KILLARY KILLARY cuck cuck cuck.

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wrenchwench  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:09:30am

re: #519 A Mom Anon

Gray tabbies are my favorite kitty (don’t tell my black and white kitty with the cow markings). I had a teeny little petite one named Sasha who I loved. She weighed 8 lbs full grown and had the most gorgeous face and green eyes. I miss her. She was killed by a coyote a few years ago. I used to let both cats outside in the morning before all the building and road widening started here several years ago. They would come back if it rained or when I called for them. One day she never came home. I found out not that long ago a neighbor had found her remains and didn’t quite know how to tell me. Cow Kitty Boy has been an indoor cat ever since, which I know he hates. If Sasha had lived she’d be 15 now. Sigh.

One of my cats is what I call a ‘blanket tabby’ (after a horse color called ‘blanket appaloosa’) having tabby-over-white (that’s the Manx), the other is ‘tabby-point Siamese’. Both are indoors only for all of their 8 years (so far).

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Belafon  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:09:36am

From Daily Kos:

At the risk of saying something bone-headedly obvious:

Being an honorary chair of a campaign—a position that involves no responsibilities, no employees, no budget, and no duties—is not a promotion from being chair of the DNC.

Being an honorary chair does not mean that Debbie Wasserman Schultz is “in charge of” Hillary Clinton’s campaign. It doesn’t mean anything. That is, unless you think President Obama’s 2012 campaign was run by actress Eva Longoria; or former Republican Senator Lincoln Chafee; or high school guidance counselor Loretta Harper—all of whom were among 24 people who served as honorary co-chairs of Obama’s 2012 campaign.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:09:50am

re: #524 BeachDem

Thank you for saying this. I don’t think she was good as DNC head, although she did devote considerable time and energy to it—showing up at state events to speak and fundraise etc.

But DNC issues aside, I’ve had her on my radar ever since the Terri Schiavo travesty—she was strong in shooting down the right-winger idiocy, and being a Florida rep gave even more weight to her words.

She was also there for Gaby Giffords in a big way.

She’s not perfect by any means (hated her view on payday lenders example) but she’s not this evil incarnate figure they’re painting her.

Good points.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:10:25am

re: #426 Blind Frog Belly White

How about to get her to resign peacefully?

I just don’t agree with that. Again. This is not about the email hack. As a collective, we have been critical of the DNC for many things. Messaging is one of them. Stressing the importance of midterms and mobilizing is another. And she’s the one responsible for all of that the last several years, bring head of the DNC. And now (if true), Hillary is bringing her aboard her campaign? Sorry. I don’t care if they are friends or not.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:11:08am

re: #529 Belafon

From Daily Kos:

It’s honestly a big demotion.

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BeachDem  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:11:51am

re: #521 HappyWarrior

Yep. Honestly I hope if it’s still like this when Clinton gets elected, he’s given a vote. He deserves it.

The Pubs (can’t remember which) already said that if Hillary wins they’ll seat him during the lame duck session to avoid her appointing somebody more liberal.

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sagehen  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:12:31am

re: #519 A Mom Anon

Gray tabbies are my favorite kitty (don’t tell my black and white kitty with the cow markings). I had a teeny little petite one named Sasha who I loved. She weighed 8 lbs full grown and had the most gorgeous face and green eyes. I miss her. She was killed by a coyote a few years ago. I used to let both cats outside in the morning before all the building and road widening started here several years ago. They would come back if it rained or when I called for them. One day she never came home. I found out not that long ago a neighbor had found her remains and didn’t quite know how to tell me. Cow Kitty Boy has been an indoor cat ever since, which I know he hates. If Sasha had lived she’d be 15 now. Sigh.

My faves are the gingers. Calicos are a close second. (tuxedo cats look evil to me).

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:12:46am

re: #527 KingKenrod

It’s telling that the AMA is taking place at /r/The_Donald and not /r/IAMA. Guaranteed shitshow.

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Lidane  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:13:18am

PRINCIPLED LEADER!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:13:44am

re: #533 BeachDem

The Pubs (can’t remember which) already said that if Hillary wins they’ll seat him during the lame duck session to avoid her appointing somebody more liberal.

Honestly part of me hopes he moves to the left just to spite the Republicans. They deserve something like that for the way they’ve treated him.

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sagehen  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:13:47am

re: #522 Belafon

Republicans trying to destroy government by handcuffing the executive and judicial branches, and allowing Russians to influence the election. But, we all know that’s nothing compared to one email talking about Sanders religious beliefs or lack thereof.

//

And Republicans would NEVER question anybody’s faith, would they?

/////// (not enough snark tabs in the world)

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:14:00am
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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:14:07am

re: #536 Lidane

PRINCIPLED LEADER!

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More of a narcissist: Trump or Stein?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:14:34am

re: #536 Lidane

PRINCIPLED LEADER!

[Embedded content]

Proving that Jill doesn’t actually care about the issues she espouses. She just hates Clinton that much because she’s jealous of someone who has actually accomplished quite a bit.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:15:23am

re: #539 The Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

Trump: Putin loves me!
Clinton: Some trade agreements aren’t the worst thing in the world.
Twittersphere: ZOMG THEY’RE BOTH AWFUL, SAVE US GARY JOHNSON AND JILL STEIN.

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ObserverArt  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:15:38am

re: #419 HappyWarrior

It’s not just the kids I’m afraid. In fact, a lot of the people I’m seeing the BoB shit from are people who remember the 2000 election quite well and sould know better.

Some (too many) are my age, close to it, or even above. And I’m about to turn 62.

Yes, there can still be 60+ year old spoiled brats. A lot of boomers were nothing more than spoiled brats. It is how the whole “yuppie” thing came about.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:16:23am

re: #540 A wild WITHAK appeared!

More of a narcissist: Trump or Stein?

Trump but Stein is certainly up there.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:16:55am

Bernie on CNN

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:17:08am

re: #542 HappyWarrior

Trump: Putin loves me!
Clinton: Some trade agreements aren’t the worst thing in the world.
Twittersphere: ZOMG THEY’RE BOTH AWFUL, SAVE US GARY JOHNSON AND JILL STEIN.

I stole that and Tweeted it.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:17:14am

re: #541 HappyWarrior

Proving that Jill doesn’t actually care about the issues she espouses. She just hates Clinton that much because she’s jealous of someone who has actually accomplished quite a bit.

I’m frankly not willing to devote DOCTOR Jill Stein enough time to figure out her motivations. I care equally as much about what my mailman is having for lunch.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:17:15am

re: #542 HappyWarrior

Trump: Putin loves me!
Clinton: Some trade agreements aren’t the worst thing in the world.
Twittersphere: ZOMG THEY’RE BOTH AWFUL, SAVE US GARY JOHNSON AND JILL STEIN.

Trump wasn’t really saying that Putin loves him. Trump was just mocking the idea that Putin loves him and therefore is behind the Russian/wikileaks hacking of DNC.

But Trump is still awful, Russia does seem connected to the hacking and Trump is still awful.

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ObserverArt  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:17:46am

re: #420 GlutenFreeJesus

Why bring her on after she was forced to resign as DNC head? Makes no sense. If it’s true.

Really? I guess you have determined she has absolutely no worth as a political supporter.

Can I see your credentials and the facts you are basing this on? /

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:17:52am

re: #546 The Vicious Babushka

I stole that and Tweeted it.

Ha, thanks.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:18:42am

re: #536 Lidane

PRINCIPLED LEADER!

for a principled purist Stein sure seems willing to fuse with just about anyone.

/

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ObserverArt  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:19:00am

re: #421 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

As much as I reluctantly agree on the last part, I have to note that I still believe said protests are the right thing, because otherwise that shit just goes under the surface and festers without the feeling of anything done about it. Wall Street BS deserved to be protested. The disposability of black lives (and hell any lives that aren’t default Christian White Male) should be protested. That’s the right thing. But it’s the fucking Morton’s fork of somehow doing the right thing fucks you because everyone alreadly KNOWS you’re wrong. Not just your policies, but your existence is WRONG therefore everything you stand for must be wrong and must be denigrated and eradicated.

Doing the right thing morally is so goddamn often the wrong thing politically and it fucking makes me want to tear my hair out.

Welcome to the Democratic Party.

They represent all. That often times is the problem.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:19:29am

re: #548 Sir John Barron

Trump wasn’t really saying that Putin loves him. Trump was just mocking the idea that Putin loves him and therefore is behind the Russian/wikileaks hacking of DNC.

But Trump is still awful, Russia does seem connected to the hacking and Trump is still awful.

Heh true. I guess more accurately it’s
Trump: You know, NATO sucks. People should pay us for our protection.
Clinton/Kaine: We should stand by our allies.
Twittersphere: OMG THEY’RE BOTH EVIL, WHY CAN’T WE HAVE THE GUY OR WOMAN WHOSE POLICIES ARE PIE IN THE SKY BS.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:20:01am

re: #551 Sir John Barron

for a principled purist Stein sure seems willing to fuse with just about anyone.

/

Anymouse pointed out the other day that she’s keen with Russian oligarchs too.

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Franklin  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:20:18am

What would the fusion ticket look like? Would Weld have to bow out? WTF is this woman smoking?

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Lidane  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:20:35am

I’d make some snark about LaHaye dying before he could be Raptured, but I’m going to eat lunch and read my Twitter TL instead.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:21:17am

He’s not bringing us together.

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jaunte  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:21:32am
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dangerman  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:21:35am

re: #552 ObserverArt

Welcome to the Democratic Party.

They represent all. That often times is the problem.

it’s not the “all” that’s the problem
it’s that some of the “all” dont want to see that if they dont win they still have to participate in the day to day operations work to get anything they want done

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:21:53am

re: #555 Franklin

What would the fusion ticket look like? Would Weld have to bow out? WTF is this woman smoking?

That’s why Johnson is going to laugh at her and does she really think the Libertarian Party faithful who probably by the way already don’t like Weld that much to start with are going to accept a “statist” (their choice of word not mine) like Stein. Dare I say it, the Libertarian Party is actually acting like a political party while the Greens are HEY LOOK AT ME WHILE I CHUG THIS BOTTLE OF SANGRIA.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:21:57am

re: #555 Franklin

What would the fusion ticket look like? Would Weld have to bow out? WTF is this woman smoking?

Must be some good shit.

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dangerman  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:22:20am

re: #555 Franklin

What would the fusion ticket look like? Would Weld have to bow out? WTF is this woman smoking?

a combined 15%?

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Le Lapin Tueur  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:22:23am

re: #510 Testy Toad T

Or they will be parsing hairs during the speeches, looking for signals that the senators are under some sort of political duress, trying to secretly send the message to their supporters that they are supporting Clinton against their will.

I’m only kind not of kidding.

FTFY.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:22:29am

re: #553 HappyWarrior

Heh true. I guess more accurately it’s
Trump: You know, NATO sucks. People should pay us for our protection.
Clinton/Kaine: We should stand by our allies.
Twittersphere: OMG THEY’RE BOTH EVIL, WHY CAN’T WE HAVE THE GUY OR WOMAN WHOSE POLICIES ARE PIE IN THE SKY BS.

And Trump does have some problematic Russian connects via his principle campaign advisor Manaford, his past statements about Putin’s authoritarianism being OK, etc.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:22:38am

re: #558 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Assenge is a tool.

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dangerman  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:23:20am

re: #561 Timothy Watson

Must be some good shit.

“want some papers with that?”

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Teukka  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:23:32am

re: #565 HappyWarrior

Assenge is a tool.

A Harbor Freight tool *ducks*

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HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:23:35am

re: #564 Sir John Barron

And Trump does have some problematic Russian connects via his principle campaign advisor Manaford, his past statements about Putin’s authoritarianism being OK, etc.

Absolutely. Trump’s affinity for authoriatarinism really needs to be hit at. I really hope they run an ad of him praising the PRC’s response to the Tiannmenen protests.

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TedStriker  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:24:21am

re: #567 Teukka

A Harbor Freight tool *ducks*

Hey, I’ve gotten some good uses out of HF tools.

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makeitstop  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:24:29am

re: #534 sagehen

My faves are the gingers. Calicos are a close second. (tuxedo cats look evil to me).

My evil-looking calico says hi!

Where’s my money
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:24:31am

re: #568 HappyWarrior

Absolutely. Trump’s affinity for authoriatarinism really needs to be hit at. I really hope they run an ad of him praising the PRC’s response to the Tiannmenen protests.

572
Lidane  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:24:38am

The worst part is, this goober is still smarter than the current asshole we have as TX Gov:

573
Belafon  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:24:54am

re: #556 Lidane

I’d make some snark about LaHaye dying before he could be Raptured, but I’m going to eat lunch and read my Twitter TL instead.

Hopefully St. Peter will tell him the rapture already happened.

574
dangerman  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:25:19am

well, got the whole house pipes reamed out yesterday
now have to find a septic contractor

the previous owner poured a concrete slab over the tank. then built a deck on it and a pool next to it. didnt install a cleanout

ah the dangerous things we get to do

575
HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:25:51am

re: #571 The Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

Good. That needs to be played a lot.

576
ObserverArt  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:26:00am

re: #460 Belafon

Who kidnapped Andrea Mitchell and replaced her with this version?

//

Good.

She is a foreign correspondent at heart. I imagine she has a pretty healthy hate of Putin. This will cause her to go for the neck and then squeeze hard.

I hope this exchange is available…I am not watching any news today. I want to watch the DNC later free of coloring.

577
Big Beautiful Door  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:26:15am

re: #479 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Isn’t that lovely.

This has been an issue in other states where the laws were not clear about privacy, the crime being committed, or a combination of issues. Georgia’s just the latest to have to deal with this. The law doesn’t always keep up with the tech.

Its not like there aren’t plenty of female actresses you could hire to video up their skirts. But then you’d have to pay them.

578
Belafon  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:26:19am

re: #572 Lidane

The worst part is, this goober is still smarter than the current asshole we have as TX Gov:

“Watch, as Republicans jump aboard the pro-Putin train.”

579
Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:26:44am

A bit panicky about the polls here, though I am interested to see the demographics on these polls, as many of them are oversampling certain communities. (Especially Quinnipiac)

580
Testy Toad T  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:26:46am

re: #572 Lidane

The worst part is, this goober is still smarter than the current asshole we have as TX Gov:

[Embedded content]

Republicans wanting to opt out of NATO. Dogs and cats living together.

What the fucking is going on this summer?!

581
HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:27:16am

re: #578 Belafon

“Watch, as Republicans jump aboard the pro-Putin train.”

Why not, they jumped on the “Qaddafi wasn’t so bad” train when Obama opposed Qaddafi. The same Qaddafi who was a huge adversary of Reagan.

582
Testy Toad T  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:27:37am

re: #579 Ziggy_TARDIS

A bit panicky about the polls here, though I am interested to see the demographics on these polls, as many of them are oversampling certain communities. (Especially Quinnipiac)

Don’t “unskew” polls.

Take a deep breath, let the convention bumps settle down, and check back in three weeks.

583
HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:27:44am

re: #579 Ziggy_TARDIS

A bit panicky about the polls here, though I am interested to see the demographics on these polls, as many of them are oversampling certain communities. (Especially Quinnipiac)

I do want to see the demographics too.

584
Timothy Watson  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:28:16am

re: #580 Testy Toad T

Republicans wanting to opt out of NATO. Dogs and cats living together.

What the fucking is going on this summer?!

Greens probably want to get out of NATO too, they probably call it “an evil soft-imperialist tool” or something.

585
Stanley Sea  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:28:18am

This is it Bernie.

586
Jenner7  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:28:20am

Stanley? What did Bernie say on CNN?

587
Big Beautiful Door  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:28:42am

re: #509 freetoken

These stories are now so common as to barely move the conversation:

Fort Myers Shooting: 2 Dead, More Than Dozen Wounded After Teen Event

THE TREE OF LIBERTY IS THIRSTY, MY FRIEND!

588
HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:28:47am

re: #582 Testy Toad T

Don’t “unskew” polls.

Take a deep breath, let the convention bumps settle down, and check back in three weeks.

But I agree with this too. I’m not too worried though. I just think Trump has really alienated so many key voting groups that it’s going to be hard for him to overcome. It just sucks that this election is going to be closer than it should but then again I felt that way in 2008 and 2012 too and McCain and Romney at least weren’t insane.

589
Belafon  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:28:51am

re: #582 Testy Toad T

Don’t “unskew” polls.

Take a deep breath, let the convention bumps settle down, and check back in three weeks.

And realize that exactly one of the two parties has a GOTV effort.

590
Stanley Sea  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:28:54am

re: #586 Jenner7

Stanley? What did Bernie say on CNN?

Still talking.

He’s going against trump for Hillary & the crowd is booing him.

591
jaunte  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:29:25am

Bernie is not pure enough! We must find a new Bernie!

592
Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:29:31am

re: #589 Belafon

Which one?

593
A Mom Anon  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:29:48am

re: #543 ObserverArt

I’m 56, husband is about to turn 50. I know a lot of people in the late 40s to early 50s demographic who are just spoiled assholes. Their answer to everything is “get a job, everyone’s so lazy now, etc, etc”. People who have had their jobs and built careers when there were actual manufacturing jobs left, or who had help from their parents to get houses, with child care, even having their first cars bought for them. They do not understand that a lot of people do not have a safety net or support network like they did. They blame unions for jobs leaving, millenials for being too lazy to work (when some of them have kids in college who are in debt so deep they had to quit school, FFS) and living at home, they’re scared and armed and think they have the right to tear shit up because they are better than everyone. The common answer to environmental destruction for them is” Oh well, I won’t be here to see it anyway. And besides, I EARNED my right to do what I want, not like some of “these other people”. And they have kids and grandkids. I do not get it, and I’m to the point where I’m glad I don’t.

594
TedStriker  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:30:34am

re: #581 HappyWarrior

Why not, they jumped on the “Qaddafi wasn’t so bad” train when Obama opposed Qaddafi. The same Qaddafi who was a huge adversary of Reagan.

The same Gaddafi who sponsored and assisted the Pan Am 103 bombers.

595
lawhawk  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:31:13am

re: #579 Ziggy_TARDIS

A bit panicky about the polls here, though I am interested to see the demographics on these polls, as many of them are oversampling certain communities. (Especially Quinnipiac)

Individual polls might have demographics that overestimate white turnout versus minority turnout, but the trend among the polls right now is a Trump bounce.

Don’t worry. Don’t panic.

Grab a towel, sit back, do some spoken word Vogon poetry, and realize that we saw the same thing in 2008 and 2012. The polls tightened around the convention, but the Democrats pulled it out in November.

The convention is barely underway, and we haven’t even gotten to the highlights of the day - the evening speakers.

596
jaunte  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:31:28am
597
jaunte  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:32:12am
598
Belafon  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:32:36am

re: #591 jaunte

Bernie is not pure enough! We must find a new Bernie!

There were reports that a number of Trump people were being dropped off and given Bernie signs and instructions.

599
lawhawk  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:32:38am

*facepalm*

It’s not like you didn’t know this was coming. He’s got a beef that will never end.

600
jaunte  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:33:07am

re: #598 Belafon

I wouldn’t be surprised.

601
Belafon  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:33:33am

re: #592 Ziggy_TARDIS

Which one?

Democrats. Clinton has been setting up an Obama style effort during the primaries. Trump has been calling into news networks.

602
Timothy Watson  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:33:34am

re: #599 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

*facepalm*

It’s not like you didn’t know this was coming. He’s got a beef that will never end.

I remember reading about how unhinged Gore was following the 2000 elections while he was arguing with Bill Clinton and blaming him for everything under the sun.

603
Lidane  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:33:53am

What a shock:

604
451_Montag  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:34:17am

Watching Sanders. He can’t stop his supporters.

If Trump wins he has to know it’s on him.

605
Jenner7  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:34:27am

I regret every positive thing I said about Bernie.

606
SoundGuy 2016  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:34:30am

I just saw this don’t know if it popped up yet:

Exclusive: Suspected Russian hack of DNC widens — includes personal email of staffer researching Manafort

This is a BFD folks.

607
jaunte  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:34:33am
608
Jenner7  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:35:43am
609
Lidane  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:35:58am

re: #599 lawhawk

Man, he’s aged. I saw him at SXSW 2012 and he looked a lot younger.

610
Stanley Sea  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:36:08am

Debbie will not be speaking.

611
SoundGuy 2016  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:37:04am
(Assange, without providing specifics, recently claimed he will be posting more emails that will be damaging to Clinton and “provide enough evidence” to get her arrested.)

Assange is looking more and more like a bad actor.

612
Jenner7  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:37:10am

re: #610 Stanley Sea

That’s good. But, does it matter at this point? Bern outs are going to be the headline of the convention.

613
A Mom Anon  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:37:41am

re: #599 lawhawk

Like anyone cares. If he showed up all we’d hear about is how he invented the internet and has a jet and a big house and he’s part of the Climate Change Industrial Complex, ad fucking nauseum. Go away if you aren’t helping. Just Go. If you’re doing good work, go fucking do it and STFU. Buh-bye.

614
Lidane  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:38:06am

OUTRAGE!

615
Teukka  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:38:07am

re: #611 SoundGuy 2016

Assange is looking more and more like a bad actor.

And going after journalists which question the authenticity of the leak…

616
Jenner7  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:38:46am

Yep, what i just said.

617
SoundGuy 2016  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:39:56am

If Assange has the goods on Clinton he should just release them. Otherwise he runs the risk of looking to be in collusion with other bad actors, not to mention just being a narcissistic douche. Delaying release of this supposedly damaging information does not look good on him at all.

Put up or shut up dude bro.

618
Jenner7  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:41:15am

re: #617 SoundGuy 2016

I guarantee you that if he had the goods on Hillary Clinton, she would’ve not even entered the race.

And he would have released them already.

619
Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:41:29am

re: #558 jaunte

Then again, the 20 Committee ain’t exactly a Bed of Roses either.

620
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:42:09am

re: #574 dangerman

well, got the whole house pipes reamed out yesterday
now have to find a septic contractor

the previous owner poured a concrete slab over the tank. then built a deck on it and a pool next to it. didnt install a cleanout

ah the dangerous things we get to do

almost makes you want to say: fuck it…let’s just install a new septic tank…

621
Lidane  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:42:40am

re: #619 Eric The Fruit Bat

Then again, the 20 Committee ain’t exactly a Bed of Roses either.

Sure, but he hates Wikileaks and Putin more than he does Hillary.

622
jaunte  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:43:17am

Strange days

623
The Vicious Babushka  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:43:18am

The Stupids believe this lame bullshit==>

624
jaunte  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:43:30am
625
TedStriker  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:43:53am

re: #623 The Vicious Babushka

The Stupids believe this lame bullshit==>

[Embedded content]

Uh-huh, Julian

626
The Vicious Babushka  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:44:25am

Uccch

627
Interesting Times  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:44:32am

re: #618 Jenner7

I guarantee you that if he had the goods on Hillary Clinton, she would’ve not even entered the race.

And he would have released them already.

Waiting until she gives acceptance speech on Thursday? Or does he fancy this some sort of “October Surprise”?

628
TedStriker  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:44:37am

629
Jenner7  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:45:22am

This is who you’re advocating for, Berners.

630
Kragar  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:45:57am
631
Belafon  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:46:00am

re: #623 The Vicious Babushka

The Stupids believe this lame bullshit==>

Which is why they released them right after they acquired them. Oh wait, they didn’t.

632
Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:46:19am

re: #617 SoundGuy 2016

If Assange has the goods on Clinton he should just release them. Otherwise he runs the risk of looking to be in collusion with other bad actors, not to mention just being a narcissistic douche. Delaying release of this supposedly damaging information does not look good on him at all.

Put up or shut up dude bro.

He found the Whitey Tape!!

633
Testy Toad T  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:46:31am

re: #626 The Vicious Babushka

Uccch

[Embedded content]

But sexism is dead.

634
Franklin  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:47:24am

re: #593 A Mom Anon

I’m 56, husband is about to turn 50. I know a lot of people in the late 40s to early 50s demographic who are just spoiled assholes. Their answer to everything is “get a job, everyone’s so lazy now, etc, etc”. People who have had their jobs and built careers when there were actual manufacturing jobs left, or who had help from their parents to get houses, with child care, even having their first cars bought for them. They do not understand that a lot of people do not have a safety net or support network like they did. They blame unions for jobs leaving, millenials for being too lazy to work (when some of them have kids in college who are in debt so deep they had to quit school, FFS) and living at home, they’re scared and armed and think they have the right to tear shit up because they are better than everyone. The common answer to environmental destruction for them is” Oh well, I won’t be here to see it anyway. And besides, I EARNED my right to do what I want, not like some of “these other people”. And they have kids and grandkids. I do not get it, and I’m to the point where I’m glad I don’t.

Yep. I am proud of what I have accomplished career-wise in my life (42 now). But I haven’t had to want for anything in my life. And haven’t done anything close to hard labor since I was a roofer after college. I perform a valuable service for my boss, but I sit on my ass all day.

635
ObserverArt  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:49:53am

re: #626 The Vicious Babushka

Uccch

[Embedded content]

Should we all let Todd know how much he is disliked?

Later folks…I’m going to get some stuff done and be back later tonight. Going to lurk mode.

Plus it is time to get out. I think I have reached my limit of being reasonable. I like the Lizards so it is better this way.

Oh yeah…even Ol’ St. Bernard of Vermont is getting a political lesson today it seems. I hope some of his supporters are watching. Maybe they can learn something too!

636
lawhawk  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:50:46am

re: #623 The Vicious Babushka

The hack was done months ago. It was even reported. Wikileaks sat on the data it hacked until the time of its choosing for maximum damage:

The convention

637
jaunte  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:51:36am

Insane.

638
Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:51:39am

On the way to work, I was listening to ‘Forum’ on KQED. They were talking about the convention, of course.

One of the callers was a woman named Claudia? Who added a rising inflection to every sentence? So everything sounds like a question? Claudia was upset with the choice of Tim Kaine? Because even though he’s generally progressive he wasn’t strong enough on getting corporate money out of politics? So she’s going to vote for Jill Stein? And she said that a lot of Progressives were going to leave the Democratic Party on July 29th?

And you know what? Fuck ‘em.

639
Belafon  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:52:58am

re: #638 Blind Frog Belly White

PUMAs.

640
Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:53:14am

re: #581 HappyWarrior

Why not, they jumped on the “Qaddafi wasn’t so bad” train when Obama opposed Qaddafi. The same Qaddafi who was a huge adversary of Reagan.

“Adversary” as in “Reagan bombed his fukn’ tent and killed his daughter.”

641
The Vicious Babushka  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:53:38am

re: #638 Blind Frog Belly White

On the way to work, I was listening to ‘Forum’ on KQED. They were talking about the convention, of course.

One of the callers was a woman named Claudia? Who added a rising inflection to every sentence? So everything sounds like a question? Claudia was upset with the choice of Tim Kaine? Because even though he’s generally progressive he wasn’t strong enough on getting corporate money out of politics? So she’s going to vote for Jill Stein? And she said that a lot of Progressives were going to leave the Democratic Party on July 29th?

And you know what? Fuck ‘em.

I hate that uptone.

642
Timothy Watson  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:55:09am

re: #638 Blind Frog Belly White

On the way to work, I was listening to ‘Forum’ on KQED. They were talking about the convention, of course.

One of the callers was a woman named Claudia? Who added a rising inflection to every sentence? So everything sounds like a question? Claudia was upset with the choice of Tim Kaine? Because even though he’s generally progressive he wasn’t strong enough on getting corporate money out of politics? So she’s going to vote for Jill Stein? And she said that a lot of Progressives were going to leave the Democratic Party on July 29th?

And you know what? Fuck ‘em.

Well, she’s a lying *****:

End Citizens United Executive Director Tiffany Muller released the following statement in reaction to Hillary Clinton’s selection of Virginia Senator Tim Kaine as her Vice Presidential running mate.

“Tim Kaine is a true public servant, serving as a missionary, civil rights lawyer, teacher and elected official. He has sided with Virginians against the special interests and understands that the only way we’ll truly restore the voice of everyday Americans in our democracy is to reverse Citizens United. That’s why he has stood on the side of reform for over a decade - pushing for more transparency and disclosure, voting to advance a constitutional amendment, and calling for an end to Republican obstruction of President Obama’s nominee to the Supreme Court. From day one, the Clinton-Kaine team will fight to end the corrosive influence that billionaires’ and corporate special interests’ unlimited, secret money has on our elections and our government.”

In 2010, Kaine said Citizens United would, “allow the money of corporate interests to flood the political process, will undermine free and fair elections and further erode voters’ confidence in our system of Democracy,” while also calling it, “a major victory for oil companies, banks, health insurance companies and other special interests that already use their power over Washington to drown out the voices of regular Americans.”

In the Senate, Kaine has cosponsored the DISCLOSE Act and the We The People Act, and has voted to advance a Constitutional amendment that would give Congress the ability to reverse Citizens United. He has called for an end to the Republican obstruction to filling the vacancy on the Supreme Court, which could overturn Citizens United with a progressive majority.

endcitizensunited.org

643
Death Panel Truck  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:55:28am
Who’d notice the difference?
644
Kragar  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:55:45am
645
Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:57:57am

re: #641 The Vicious Babushka

I hate that uptone.

What it said to me is ‘White, affluent, privileged’. Corporate money in politics is THE WORST THING EVAR!!! and THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE?

Bullshit.

We’ve got a candidate who’s currently leading whose candidacy has acted like a Pied Piper to all the worst elements of American society, telling them that they no longer need to hide their hate, that now is their time. I think that’s pretty goddam important.

646
The Vicious Babushka  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:58:35am
647
Testy Toad T  Jul 25, 2016 • 10:59:44am

You can’t make these people up.

“I want to use the compost metaphor,” Norman Solomon, the executive director of the Bernie Delegates Network, told reporters Monday morning. “The Bernie Sanders campaign has been a fantastic boost for progressive, social movements. … Those powerful forces will endure and grow. It’s now compost. This campaign is disappearing. It’s just about become history, but it’s leaving compost that we’re gonna grow a lot out of.”

648
jaunte  Jul 25, 2016 • 11:00:14am

re: #646 The Vicious Babushka

649
jaunte  Jul 25, 2016 • 11:00:38am
650
Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2016 • 11:00:58am

re: #647 Testy Toad T

You can’t make these people up.


“I want to use the compost metaphor,” Norman Solomon, the executive director of the Bernie Delegates Network, told reporters Monday morning. “The Bernie Sanders campaign has been a fantastic boost for progressive, social movements. … Those powerful forces will endure and grow. It’s now compost. This campaign is disappearing. It’s just about become history, but it’s leaving compost that we’re gonna grow a lot out of.”

And Chauncey Gardener tears his heart out with his trowel.

651
Targetpractice  Jul 25, 2016 • 11:01:37am

re: #614 Lidane

OUTRAGE!

[Embedded content]

And there’s what will, in the minds of Bros, be the “final betrayal.” They started out yesterday demanding a roll call vote, convinced that his delegates would either give the nomination to him or nuke the vote. But giving them to her has neutralized that and cut off the last avenue for the Bros.

They’ve gotta be absolutely livid.

652
Romantic Heretic  Jul 25, 2016 • 11:02:28am

re: #587 Big Beautiful Door

THE TREE OF LIBERTY IS THIRSTY, MY FRIEND!

That makes the Tree of Liberty sound like an Outer Thing from a Lovecraft story.

Hmm. Maybe the Tree of Liberty’s real name is Khorne.

653
Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2016 • 11:03:07am

re: #652 Romantic Heretic

That makes the Tree of Liberty sound like an Outer Thing from a Lovecraft story.

Hmm. Maybe the Tree of Liberty’s real name is Khorne.

Audrey II.

654
Big Beautiful Door  Jul 25, 2016 • 11:04:12am

re: #540 A wild WITHAK appeared!

More of a narcissist: Trump or Stein?

Trump is in a league of his own.

655
Joe Bacon  Jul 25, 2016 • 11:07:48am

re: #637 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Insane.

Asshole is playing into Roger Stone’s hands and too goddamned dumb to realize that!!!!

656
retired cynic  Jul 25, 2016 • 11:10:17am

re: #519 A Mom Anon

Note my avatar. She had her spine twisted in an accident (stepped onto a turning driveshaft), and never weighed more than 5-6 pounds. Just a peanut of a kitteh, but the best cat ever. I used to take her to conventions and meetings because she could not eliminate on her own, and everyone knew and loved her. Boy, do I miss her!

657
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2016 • 11:16:47am

re: #650 Decatur Deb


“I want to use the compost metaphor,” Norman Solomon, the executive director of the Bernie Delegates Network, told reporters Monday morning. “The Bernie Sanders campaign has been a fantastic boost for progressive, social movements. … Those powerful forces will endure and grow. It’s now compost. This campaign is disappearing. It’s just about become history, but it’s leaving compost that we’re gonna grow a lot out of.”

And Chauncey Gardener tears his heart out with his trowel.

Not enough updings!!!!!!!!!!

658
BeachDem  Jul 25, 2016 • 11:52:47am

re: #604 451_Montag

Watching Sanders. He can’t stop his supporters.

If Trump wins he has to know it’s on him.

I can’t watch right now. Is he being the fire-breathing shouty Bernie they all came to love—THAT Bernie could tell them to cut the crap…


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