Far Right “Anti-Jihad” Loon Walid Shoebat Smears Khizr Khan as “Muslim Brotherhood Plant”

These people are disgusting
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You knew right wingers were digging frantically for something to smear Khizr Khan with, right? It’s what they do. They’d never let this father of a Muslim war hero get away with criticizing their god emperor Donald Trump, and if you’ve paid attention to how they do these smear jobs you probably expected them to try to paint Khan as a secret radical Islamic agent. I know I certainly did.

And sure enough, here it is, from the website of Walid Shoebat — one of those far right “anti-jihad” nutcases who has actually weaseled his way into numerous TV appearances as a “terrorism expert.”

What The Media Is Not Telling You About The Muslim Who Attacked Donald Trump: He Is A Muslim Brotherhood Agent Who Wants To Advance Sharia Law And Bring Muslims Into The United States | Walid Shoebat

That’s the illustration they’re using for this ludicrous post above, juxtaposing a photo of Khan with a Muslim Brotherhood logo. Subtle.

I won’t bother quoting from this mess. Again, if you know how these people work you already know what you’ll find — Khan once wrote a paper on shariah, and that’s all it takes. They’re off, smearing Khizr Khan as a Muslim Brotherhood “plant” working with the Clinton campaign to convert the whole country to radical Islam. In this weird right wing fantasy, Khan’s son — who was killed in Iraq warning fellow US soldiers away from an exploding vehicle — was also a secret Muslim agent who died before he could stage a jihad attack.

I wish I were just kidding, but that’s actually what the post says. This post is credited to “Ted,” by the way, who I believe is Walid’s even crazier son Theodore.

You can expect this line of attack to be all over the right wing blogs and media in a few hours, and don’t be surprised if Trump or one of his cronies uses it soon.

UPDATE at 7/31/16 4:51:04 pm by Charles Johnson

A white supremacist who’s been retweeted by Donald Trump and linked to Donald Trump Jr. is already pushing this ugly line of attack:

UPDATE at 7/31/16 5:24:31 pm by Charles Johnson

Right wing Twitter is already going wild over the post at Walid Shoebat’s site.

UPDATE at 7/31/16 7:50:39 pm by Charles Johnson

And there it is. Donald Trump crony @RogerJStoneJr is the first to retweet the ugly Walid Shoebat smear.

UPDATE at 8/1/16 10:54:46 am by Charles Johnson

And now, Fox Business anchor Lou Dobbs is also pushing the Shoebat smear, linking to Trump crony Roger Stone’s tweet calling Clinton aide Huma Abedin a “radical Muslim.”

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376 comments
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S'latch  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:37:29pm

I just listened to Mr. Khan speak in a video interview on MSNBC from July 29 and he is a totally reasonable and patriotic American. To smear him is just sick.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:39:35pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:40:31pm

Isn’t Walid Shoebat’s own background a little sketchy? I gather there is some question whether he ever was a radicalized Muslim as he claims.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:41:11pm

Jesus fucking Christ these people are sick.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:41:13pm

Repeated from downstairs, because I want some feedback:

I was thinking today how Trump’s demeanor and behavior reminded me of Kaiser Wilhelm’s, as recorded in the histories of WWI I read last year.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:41:23pm

re: #3 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Isn’t Walid Shoebat’s own background a little sketchy? I gather there is some question whether he ever was a radicalized Muslim as he claims.

Yes.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:41:41pm

Completely predictable. And now the flying monkeys……

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Jay C  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:41:51pm

Just maybe, might it be that “The Media Isn’t Telling [Us]” about Khizr Khan’s MB connection because it doesn’t exist???

Just a suggestion….

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:41:51pm

It should be noted that Walid Shoebat, like Trump, is a pathological liar.

Shoebat stated that he threw a bomb at Bank Leumi, an Israeli bank, in Bethlehem.[1] A 2008 Jerusalem Post article raised questions regarding the authenticity of Shoebat’s account, and reported that Bank Leumi had no record of an attack on its Bethlehem branch between 1977 and 1979.[1] In addition, Shoebat’s uncle also denied that such an attack took place.[1] Such an incident was also not reported by Israeli news outlets according to Omar Sacirbey’s 2010 Washington Post article.[6] The Jerusalem Post article reported a contradiction in Shoebat’s response to the question whether word of the bombing made the news at the time.[1] He replied, “I don’t know. I didn’t read the papers because I was in hiding for the next three days.”[1] However, according to the same article, he had told Britain’s Sunday Telegraph in 2004 that “I was terribly relieved when I heard on the news later that evening that no one had been hurt or killed by my bomb.”[1] During his telephone interview, Shoebat was unable to recall the date or time of year of the attack.[1] He told the Sunday Telegraph in 2004 that he was pressured by teachers to adopt an extreme Islamic philosophy.[1] His uncle, who still lives in Beit Sahour, said religion did not play a major role in Walid’s education, which he described as ideologically mild, and that there was no attack on Bank Leumi.[1]

On April 9, 2008, Shoebat responded to the earlier Jerusalem Post’s report on that paper’s op-ed page. He wrote that the Jerusalem Post had been duped. According to him, the sources who disputed his own account of his upbringing (including his relatives) were themselves involved in terrorism. He said they want to see him discredited, probably because of his conversion to Christianity. He also states that reputable witnesses who could confirm the bombing operation of Bank Leumi were not interviewed.[7] He also posted a response on his website.

On July 13, 2011, CNN’s Anderson Cooper 360° reported an investigative piece into Walid Shoebat’s claim to authority based on being a former terrorist. The report found that according to Israeli government officials, the bank that Walid Shoebat claimed to have attacked, and his own relatives, no record of his supposed terrorist history existed. Another of Shoebat’s claims, that of a two-week term in an Israeli jail, was also unsubstantiated, with Israel having no record he was ever jailed. His cousin, interviewed in the report, stated that he had never known Shoebat to have ties to any movement, and that his claims of being a former terrorist were “for his own personal reasons”. According to CNN, their reporters in the United States, Israel and the Palestinian territories found no evidence to support Shoebat’s claims and “neither Shoebat nor his business partner provided any proof of Shoebat’s involvement in terrorism”.[2]

Regarding CNN’s inability to confirm his jail time, Shoebat wrote “Even if Mr. Griffin did check prison records, he was searching the wrong name. Had CNN examined our records that were offered to them, it will prove beyond doubt that Mr. Griffin made an error. When Mr. Shoebat was arrested he turned in his U.S. passport and not his birth certificate or I.D. card. His U.S. passport had a different last name.”[8]

Omar Sacirbey’s 2010 Washington Post article reports that Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, has questioned Shoebat’s motives, saying that ” Ergun Caner, Shoebat, and Kamal Saleem - along with others like them - belong to an ‘industry’ that is often perpetuated by fundamentalist Christians” and that people are doing this “to make money or get converts or to get some personal benefit”.[6] The article also reports that skeptics have questioned how Shoebat and others have been able to retain US citizenship if their stories of terrorist activities are true.[6]

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:42:19pm

re: #3 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Sketchy doesn’t describe it.

It is outright fraudulent.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:42:34pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

Yes.

OK, then my memory is not playing tricks with me.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:43:06pm

re: #11 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

OK, then my memory is not playing tricks with me.

See Tardis’ link. He’s a fraud basically.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:44:46pm

I hope the Khans can afford some security. I think they’re going to need it.

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Jay C  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:44:53pm

re: #9 Ziggy_TARDIS

Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, has questioned Shoebat’s motives, saying that ” Ergun Caner, Shoebat, and Kamal Saleem - along with others like them - belong to an ‘industry’ that is often perpetuated by fundamentalist Christians” and that people are doing this “to make money or get converts or to get some personal benefit”

IOW: what’s Arabic for “grift”…?

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:45:21pm

That vile POS even slimed Captain Khan. Sleazy attacks based on the thinnest reeds is how the Right rolls.

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Teukka  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:47:27pm

re: #15 Big Beautiful Door

That vile POS even slimed Captain Khan. Sleazy attacks based on the thinnest reeds is how the Right rolls.

Yep. Walid did one of those regarding the IKEA attack.
*grumble* *hiss*

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:50:00pm

You say Sharia, Takiya, and the Muslim Brotherhood
I say cointreau and tequila, mix it mix it real good
Why you gotta think everything is conspira-cy
Turn off the Fox News, come drink with everbo-dy

Everybody salsa! Bu-chickachicka bu bu

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Scottishdragon  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:50:51pm

re: #5 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Repeated from downstairs, because I want some feedback:

I was thinking today how Trump’s demeanor and behavior reminded me of Kaiser Wilhelm’s, as recorded in the histories of WWI I read last year.

Kaiser Wilelm was arguably more intelligent and almost certainly did not have the thin skin and grievance based temperament of Trump.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:51:17pm

re: #10 Ziggy_TARDIS

Sketchy doesn’t describe it.

It is outright fraudulent.

Thanks for the detailed reply. Shoebat is one of those grifters who has figured out how best to take advantage of RWNJs’ habit of falling for any cockamamie story that agrees with their preconceived notions of the world.

There’s a few “former Muslims” that are now Christian preachers that fit in that same category.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:51:44pm

re: #18 Scottishdragon

Kaiser Wilelm was arguably more intelligent and almost certainly did not have the thin skin and grievance based temperament of Trump.

Oh, he managed to cause a couple diplomatic incidents due to his big mouth.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:52:03pm

“You keep mentioning radical Islamic terrorism when I mention Mr. Khan. Why do you keep responding that way when I mention him?”

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JasonA  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:52:41pm
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Great White Snark  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:54:12pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:54:17pm

(reposted from downstairs for its mockery value…)
Listen to the voice…

Tough Guy Trump

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:54:31pm

re: #20 Timothy Watson

Oh, he managed to cause a couple diplomatic incidents due to his big mouth.

I understood that Wilhelm had a bit of a Caesar complex and often ignored his aides’ political and military advice. He was also quite jealous of his cousin’s empire of the UK.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:54:47pm

As far as I can tell the only thing Trump is good at is taking advantage of other people.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:55:39pm

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

As far as I can tell the only thing Trump is good at is taking advantage of other people.

No wonder why Shoebat is drawn to him then. Both know how to play the morons on the Religious Right like a fiddle.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:57:07pm

Can this please be the moment of no return for not just Trump but the conservative movement as a whole? They’ve always been assholes but I’d really hope that smearing a grieving father as a member of the Muslim Brotherhood whose son died in combat would be a final straw for many people. Worse than Shoebat honestly are cowards like Ryan and McConnell who say they condemn Trump’s remarks but keep on supporting him.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:58:03pm

re: #28 HappyWarrior

Watch-he’ll be on Fox News in the next 24 hours.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:58:53pm

re: #28 HappyWarrior

Can this please be the moment of no return for not just Trump but the conservative movement as a whole? They’ve always been assholes but I’d really hope that smearing a grieving father as a member of the Muslim Brotherhood whose son died in combat would be a final straw for many people. Worse than Shoebat honestly are cowards like Ryan and McConnell who say they condemn Trump’s remarks but keep on supporting him.

The thing is, there will always be conservatives, and there will also always be idiots who think tactics like these are acceptable. So even though it might disappear as a politically viable position, there will still be people who believe in it.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:59:05pm

re: #29 Eric The Fruit Bat

Watch-he’ll be on Fox News in the next 24 hours.

Yep. FNC who totally ignored Mr. Khan’s speech will be eager to give creedance to bigoted conspiracy theoreis about him. I’m sure Alex Jones has a story too.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 4:59:51pm

re: #30 thedopefishlives

The thing is, there will always be conservatives, and there will also always be idiots who think tactics like these are acceptable. So even though it might disappear as a politically viable position, there will still be people who believe in it.

Well I meant the conservative movement as we know it. There’s always going to be right leaning people no doubt but I hope this is the straw that breaks the conservative movement’s back to a point where they are a permanent minority.

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:00:27pm

These people have no shame or facts. Only smears and obfuscations.

And lies. Can’t forget the lies.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:00:39pm

You know Jim Hoft is going to pick this story up any minute now.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:01:11pm

Adam Silverman over at Cole’s place calls Walid a fraud. ANyone who brings him up should be mercilessly laughed at. Ah, grifters gotta grift…

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thedopefishlives  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:01:16pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

Well I meant the conservative movement as we know it. There’s always going to be right leaning people no doubt but I hope this is the straw that breaks the conservative movement’s back to a point where they are a permanent minority.

It’s more like a pendulum, though. I doubt it will be a “permanent” minority. Peace in our time, perhaps - but someday, though that day may be far in the future, it’ll come right back. Perhaps after the liberal side does something stupidly unforgivable, in a similar vein as the conservatives are doing now.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:02:22pm

re: #33 lawhawk

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These people have no shame or facts. Only smears and obfuscations.

And lies. Can’t forget the lies.

These people. Just fuck them. I hope they never have to experience anything close to what Khan has experienced. Don’t tell me how hard it is being a white Chrisian in 2016 America because no white Christian would ever have his patriotism questioned like this.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:03:00pm

re: #36 thedopefishlives

It’s more like a pendulum, though. I doubt it will be a “permanent” minority. Peace in our time, perhaps - but someday, though that day may be far in the future, it’ll come right back. Perhaps after the liberal side does something stupidly unforgivable, in a similar vein as the conservatives are doing now.

Sure. I guess what I mean to say is I want there to be repercussions for this that go beyond this election for the right.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:03:18pm

This post is credited to “Ted,” by the way, who I believe is Walid’s even crazier son Theodore.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:04:00pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

Sure. I guess what I mean to say is I want there to be repercussions for this that go beyond this election for the right.

And I am right on board with you with that. *raises glass*

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thedopefishlives  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:04:23pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

This post is credited to “Ted,” by the way, who I believe is Walid’s even crazier son Theodore.

Wait. It gets even crazier? Duuuude.

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:05:18pm
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Scottishdragon  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:06:15pm

re: #20 Timothy Watson

Oh, he managed to cause a couple diplomatic incidents due to his big mouth.

He was not alone in that of course. Trump, however, has a pathology of resentment and profligate hedonist narcissism which would be nearly incomprehensible to the Prussian mindset of someone like Wilhelm.

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:06:32pm

So, a member of the Muslim Brotherhood allowed his son to join the military, and the way he honors his son’s death is by speaking out against those that blame Muslims. He’s as bad a Muslim Brotherhood member as Obama is a socialist.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:06:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:07:24pm

re: #45 jaunte

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She’s exactly right.

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Jay C  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:07:30pm

re: #18 Scottishdragon

Kaiser Wilelm was arguably more intelligent and almost certainly did not have the thin skin and grievance based temperament of Trump.

Not to wander off too much into the historical weeds, but a lot of historians have taken issue with that last analysis. Old Kaiser Bill was infamous in pre-WW1 Europe (at least among statesmen and his fellow monarchs, especially his “family” - relatives descended from his grandmother, Queen Victoria) as being exactly “thin-skinned and grievance-based” in both personality and politics. Thinking about it some more, he does come across as a sort of 19th-Century Trump. Though one with an army: there’s a frightening thought,…

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JasonA  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:07:33pm

Please let this be the hill that this party dies on.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:09:27pm

re: #48 JasonA

Please let this be the hill that this party dies on.

Dies, burn to the ground and salted. Let’s hope it takes Fox News along with it.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:09:30pm

re: #47 Jay C

Not to wander off too much into the historical weeds, but a lot of historians have taken issue with that last analysis. Old Kaiser Bill was infamous in pre-WW1 Europe (at least among statesmen and his fellow monarchs, especially his “family” - relatives descended from his grandmother, Queen Victoria) as being exactly “thin-skinned and grievance-based” in both personality and politics. Thinking about it some more, he does come across as a sort of 19th-Century Trump. Though one with an army: there’s a frightening thought,…

I don’t mind the thought so much of a 19th-century Trump with an army. What I do mind is a 21st-century Trump with the launch codes to the most powerful nuclear arsenal in the world…

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JasonA  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:09:53pm
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Scottishdragon  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:10:00pm

re: #33 lawhawk

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These people have no shame or facts. Only smears and obfuscations.

And lies. Can’t forget the lies.

This is what happens when one political party spends 40 years destroying the notion of objective facts and an objective media.

Now any claim at all, no matter how farcical, destructive or fallacious can be cited as having equal legitimacy to a peer reviewed article in Scientific American.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:10:29pm

re: #47 Jay C

Not to wander off too much into the historical weeds, but a lot of historians have taken issue with that last analysis. Old Kaiser Bill was infamous in pre-WW1 Europe (at least among statesmen and his fellow monarchs, especially his “family” - relatives descended from his grandmother, Queen Victoria) as being exactly “thin-skinned and grievance-based” in both personality and politics. Thinking about it some more, he does come across as a sort of 19th-Century Trump. Though one with an army: there’s a frightening thought,…

Shall we call Trump’s hair contraption a Kaiser BunRoll?

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JasonA  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:11:06pm

Guys!

themarysue.com

Edit: Jon Stewart’s comin’ back! It’s an animated “Onion like” HBO series premiering in the early fall!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:12:05pm

re: #50 thedopefishlives

I don’t mind the thought so much of a 19th-century Trump with an army. What I do mind is a 21st-century Trump with the launch codes to the most powerful nuclear arsenal in the world…

I’d be much happier with a defeated Trump playing Risk — and losing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:13:21pm
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dangerman  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:13:41pm

re: #51 JasonA

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football, as i think George Carlin said - a bunch of guys beating each other up and taking their land - kind of a metaphor for politics and foreign policy

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thedopefishlives  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:14:03pm

re: #55 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’d be much happier with a defeated Trump playing Risk — and losing.

Trump wouldn’t have the patience for a full game of Risk. He’d probably upend the board as soon as someone took Kamchatka away from him.

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:14:25pm

i’m confused about this whole debate scheduling thing

is it that mr trump’s calendar booked those days?

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JasonA  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:15:29pm

re: #59 dangerman

i’m confused about this whole debate scheduling thing

is it that mr trump’s calendar booked those days?

Donald Trump needs to dominate everything. That’s really all the answer you need.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:15:50pm

re: #59 dangerman

i’m confused about this whole debate scheduling thing

is it that mr trump’s calendar booked those days?

Debate scheduling 18 months in advance is a dangerous game.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:15:56pm

re: #47 Jay C

Not to wander off too much into the historical weeds, but a lot of historians have taken issue with that last analysis. Old Kaiser Bill was infamous in pre-WW1 Europe (at least among statesmen and his fellow monarchs, especially his “family” - relatives descended from his grandmother, Queen Victoria) as being exactly “thin-skinned and grievance-based” in both personality and politics. Thinking about it some more, he does come across as a sort of 19th-Century Trump. Though one with an army: there’s a frightening thought,…

That’s the impression I got from reading some recent examinations of WWI. Wilhelm was an immature ruler who wanted the rest of Europe to respect Germany as an equal to Britain, France, and the Austrian-Hungarian empire. So, he got the notion to send his army through neutral Belgium to invade France. Instant respect!

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Skip Intro  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:16:26pm

re: #48 JasonA

Please let this be the hill that this party dies on.

The media won’t let that happen.

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:18:44pm

re: #61 Barefoot Grin

Debate scheduling 18 months in advance is a dangerous game.

its just cute he’s worried about the ratings

i thought it was that he already had appointments those nights

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gocart mozart  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:20:04pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:20:12pm

re: #45 jaunte

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:22:09pm

No Kochie that is not what a “Blood Libel” means.

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:22:17pm

Hmmm… Snopes fact checked whether Jill Stein is anti-vaxxer, and they claim it’s false.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:24:08pm

re: #68 lawhawk

Hmmm… Snopes fact checked whether Jill Stein is anti-vaxxer, and they claim it’s false.

She may not personally be an anti-vaxxer but she is pandering to the anti-vaxxer nutbags.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:25:50pm
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Scottishdragon  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:26:34pm

re: #47 Jay C

Not to wander off too much into the historical weeds, but a lot of historians have taken issue with that last analysis. Old Kaiser Bill was infamous in pre-WW1 Europe (at least among statesmen and his fellow monarchs, especially his “family” - relatives descended from his grandmother, Queen Victoria) as being exactly “thin-skinned and grievance-based” in both personality and politics. Thinking about it some more, he does come across as a sort of 19th-Century Trump. Though one with an army: there’s a frightening thought,…

He admired the British (and caused controversy when he said good things about them during the Boar war) and he tried very hard to match them when it came to naval power. He also angered the British when he said certain things about the Dutch and German settlers. Given the nature of the relationship between the British and German monarchies (cousins fer crying out loud!), bruised feeling were inevitable even had a far more gifted political figure been on the throne.

However his visual extravagance, Kaiser Wilhelm was NOT eager to see his High Seas Fleet risked in battle with the Channel Fleet and he was typically conservative in using the German Army. Overall, the Germans were far more casualty adverse than the British or Americans.

He tried to walk a line between absolutist monarchy and modernity and failed, becoming sidelined by his own staff as the war progressed who were able to blackmail him with threats of quitting in the middle of the war. (Can you imagine Trump being bullied by his own staff?)

Before his death, he also banned any and all Nazi regalia or symbols at his funeral, correctly assessing the nature of what had happened to German politics. Trump has not displayed any of that sort of awareness.

What I was mainly getting at was that Trump has never been accepted by the monied class in NYC because of his profligacy and buffoonish nature. He resents being an outsider and yet he never understands why his peers hold him in contempt (for starters, he broke the cardinal rule of being rich means you donate to popular charities. Seriously…rich people in NTC are socially obligated to go to charity functions and donate a respectable amount. Trump simply refuses to do this.)

Kaiser Wilhelm never was on the “outside” socially, although he did have a serious physical disability which doubtless played its role in how he viewed military affairs.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:27:00pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

One of the Shoebat’s will be on Fox News tomorrow I bet.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:27:59pm

re: #68 lawhawk

Hmmm… Snopes fact checked whether Jill Stein is anti-vaxxer, and they claim it’s false.

I believe in a previous thread there is a quote from her in which she suggested that not all questions about vaccines have been resolved. Its like someone who says that while they personally believe the President was born in Hawaii, he really ought to release his birth certificate and all his school records. Because, you know, reasons.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:28:56pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

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Janie Johnson LOL I blocked that pants-off crazy bedbug back in ‘12

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:29:07pm

re: #72 Eric The Fruit Bat

Close.

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teleskiguy  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:29:36pm

Brother can you spare $53 million?

Facebook Post

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:30:16pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Jesus fucking Christ these people are sick.

Expect to see it for another 90+ days. The smear is going to be their default defense mode since they can’t win on facts. And they also have a lot of practice with it, to the point that their base eats it up since it provides the convenient excuse for holding their sick opinions in addition to reinforcing the “Hillary and the Democrats are evil” meme that they need to depend on as well.

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ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:30:59pm

Trying to catch up and reading the previous thread I saw where Trump was retweeting some James Woods crap.

Funny…James Woods did a bang up job in the movie Citizen Cohn where he played Roy Cohn.

Cohn of course was the main council for sleazy Senator Joseph McCarthy and…of course Donald Trump when he represented Trump in his battle with the Justice Department on violations of the Fair Housing Act in a bunch of apartment buildings in the NYC area.

As most know that was Trump screwing over African Americans with higher rents or illegal statements saying apartments were already rented when they were not.

Nothing has changed with Trump and even an actor that played the part of a notorious creep lawyer comes to represent Trump now.

You can’t write this shit!

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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:31:05pm

Notice that some of these nutjobs are tweeting the Walid Shoebat article to Donald Trump Jr.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:32:26pm

re: #71 Scottishdragon

Well, I was not arguing Trump was just like Wilhelm or vice versa, but that there were certain aspects of Trump that reminded me of Wilhelm. I do remember his military staff sidelining him — he eventually ended up being a figurehead toward the end of the war. But I can also see that happening with Trump, who would instead want to be a figurehead and let his minions do all the heavy lifting.

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JasonA  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:32:43pm
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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:33:35pm

Slimer in the new ghostbusters movie should have a combover. It would be fitting.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:33:50pm
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Split Ticket  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:34:01pm

re: #76 teleskiguy

No, I do not have that much money. Someone won the Powerball in NH. They might be able to help.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:34:06pm

re: #61 Barefoot Grin

Debate scheduling 18 months in advance is a dangerous game.

The debate schedule was announced 23 Sep, 2015.
On 19 Jul, 2016 the location of the first debate (26 Sep, 2016) was moved from Wright State University, Dayton, Ohio to Hofstra University, Hempstead, New York.
Hofstra University had been identified as a debate alternate site on 23 Sep, 2015.

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:35:05pm

re: #81 JasonA

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OMG, how could the candidate who actually said he wouldn’t lose votes even if he shot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue DO this?

so taking that further, why would the debate schedule matter?

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Jay C  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:35:39pm

re: #71 Scottishdragon

re: #80 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

(Can you imagine Trump being bullied by his own staff?)

Yep. Not sure that it has happened, or might happen, but for some reason that notion doesn’t strike me as too outré.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:39:44pm

This may be a news flash to some, but I’m going to watch the debate on TV and check the football scores on my phone. Technology how does it work?

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:40:03pm

After a soggy weekend, we’ve got… more rain. And a flood warning in effect due to heavy rain in the Bergen/Passaic county area. Oy.

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Sherlock Hound  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:40:15pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

This post is credited to “Ted,” by the way, who I believe is Walid’s even crazier son Theodore.

We talk about “wingnuts” and “moonbats”.

On FB, I coined a new term for Ted Shoebat: He’s a wingbat!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:41:11pm

re: #88 I Would Prefer Not To

This may be a news flash to some, but I’m going to watch the debate on TV and check the football scores on my phone. Technology how does it work?

Why not watch the debate on TV and stream the game on yer PC?

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:41:23pm

re: #88 I Would Prefer Not To

Or there’s this thing known as PiP, you can watch the debate and catch the game.

Or, there’s streaming so you can keep track of both.

Or you can dvr the game. Or the debate. And that’ll count towards the ratings too.

No, what Trump is on about here is laying groundwork to ditching the debates.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:41:36pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:41:58pm

This just in: Trump floats the idea of holding debates during halftime of NFL games.

//

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:43:04pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

That is scary as fuck right there. We are through looking glass people.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:43:41pm

Allen West is still a vile person.

That is all.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:43:48pm

re: #43 Scottishdragon

He was not alone in that of course. Trump, however, has a pathology of resentment and profligate hedonist narcissism which would be nearly incomprehensible to the Prussian mindset of someone like Wilhelm.

I think what they have in common is delusions of grandeur coupled with an enormous inferiority complex. How is that possible, you ask? IANAPs, so I don’t know….

Trump is butthurt over never being accepted by New York society as he thinks his money (real or hyped) deserves. Kaiser Bill was envious of his cousin George’s Empire. (And his cousin Nicky’s Empire and autocratic power.)

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worldknot  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:43:55pm

Why the frog?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:44:34pm

re: #91 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Why not watch the debate on TV and stream the game on yer PC?

I really want to watch the debate. For the games, I just need the scores. If something interesting is happening in the game (It’s the Giants, miracles happen on occasion) I will switch to the game.

PS I really want to watch Trump suffer a breakdown.

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Split Ticket  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:44:40pm

re: #89 lawhawk

In my brother-in-law’s neighborhood this is what is going on. forecast.weather.gov

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:45:08pm

re: #98 worldknot

Why the frog?

It’s some sort of code for the racist pig club.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:45:24pm

re: #98 worldknot

Why the frog?

It’s a symbol that the alt-right has co-opted for their racist shit.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:45:59pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

Notice that some of these nutjobs are tweeting the Walid Shoebat article to Donald Trump Jr.

Already had one send it to me.

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JasonA  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:46:05pm
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dangerman  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:47:09pm

re: #92 lawhawk

Or there’s this thing known as PiP, you can watch the debate and catch the game.

Or, there’s streaming so you can keep track of both.

Or you can dvr the game. Or the debate. And that’ll count towards the ratings too.

No, what Trump is on about here is laying groundwork to ditching the debates.

i mean unless he’s already got a date or something for those nights that he “just can’t reschedule”, ditching isn’t going to go well for him

the nfl doesnt affect his ability to prepare
it cant be the same day traffic…
what’s his concern?
people would rather watch the game than watch him spout?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:47:52pm

re: #55 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’d be much happier with a defeated Trump playing Risk — and losing.

Ukraine is game to you!?

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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:48:18pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

Notice those “America First” logos that piece of shit is tweeting — those are the logos from the World War II pro-Hitler America First organization.

So Trump’s use of that slogan has definitely not gone unnoticed by the neo-Nazis.

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lockjawcanbefun  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:48:34pm

re: #98 worldknot

How Pepe the Frog Became a Nazi Trump Supporter and Alt-Right Symbol

thedailybeast.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:48:35pm
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Sherlock Hound  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:49:30pm

re: #68 lawhawk

Hmmm… Snopes fact checked whether Jill Stein is anti-vaxxer, and they claim it’s false.

Snopes is wonderful for up-and-down, true/false questions, but Jill’s answer is nuanced just evasive enough for me to doubt her sincerity. Snopes isn’t really deep enough to evaluate her.

In my circles, Jill’s answer is considered a dogwhistle. Our opinion of her other opinions cannot be printed here.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:49:42pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:50:55pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:52:39pm
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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:55:41pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:55:47pm

re: #113 FormerDirtDart

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thedopefishlives  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:57:26pm

re: #114 Frankie Five Angels

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Before people lived there.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:57:30pm

Remember: Trump always doubles down and will only go quietly is when a settlement is reached-which is usually sealed. Now, about that $300,000 he’s on the hook for back in Florida-wonder if the painter is going to force another lien on Mar-A-Lago? He could have made it all go away by paying the $30,000-but he didn’t. Doesn’t look like the signs of a smart businessman, let alone having his fingers on the button…

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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:57:38pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:57:57pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:58:26pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:58:35pm

re: #65 gocart mozart

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It’s worse than I thought.

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b.d.  Jul 31, 2016 • 5:59:54pm

So Khizr Khan is a Muslim Brotherhood plant?

I guess that is better than him killing Kennedy.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:01:14pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:01:33pm

re: #78 ObserverArt

Trying to catch up and reading the previous thread I saw where Trump was retweeting some James Woods crap.

Funny…James Woods did a bang up job in the movie Citizen Cohn where he played Roy Cohn.

Cohn of course was the main council for sleazy Senator Joseph McCarthy and…of course Donald Trump when he represented Trump in his battle with the Justice Department on violations of the Fair Housing Act in a bunch of apartment buildings in the NYC area.

As most know that was Trump screwing over African Americans with higher rents or illegal statements saying apartments were already rented when they were not.

Nothing has changed with Trump and even an actor that played the part of a notorious creep lawyer comes to represent Trump now.

You can’t write this shit!

And according to the article from Politico that Gocart Mozart posted, Cohn allowed his office to be used by the five main crime families so that they could avoid investigation under “client privilege” rules.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:02:07pm

re: #123 Frankie Five Angels

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If that’s the goal, they hired the wrong guy; Pence is a walking shit factory himself. Just ask any Hoosier who’s had to live with him as their (completely incompetent) governor.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:02:15pm

I wonder if Pence had to sign an NDA?

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:02:29pm

re: #124 Barefoot Grin

Reminds me of those Sopranos episodes with Junior.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:03:07pm

re: #114 Frankie Five Angels

I think were was 15 minutes there back in 1754…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:03:24pm

re: #114 Frankie Five Angels

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@evanasmith @TheFix a once stable Middle East? When exactly was that?
5:52 PM - 31 Jul 2016

Before the British needed to stir up Arab rebels to help defeat the Ottomans?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:03:48pm

re: #129 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

That’s about right.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:06:46pm

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Jim Wright hasn’t posted a full column on the Khan Schweinerei yet. When he does, it’s going to set fire to the internet.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:06:57pm

Has anyone tweeted this to Donald Trump?

While Mr. Kahn’s son was defending his country yours were hunting endangered species.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:12:36pm

Well, today was my birthday, and I was hoping Trump would completely flame out as a present. Christmas will be too late!

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:12:50pm

The other thing that stood out to me from the Politico interview with Trump’s biographers was how big banks decided to keep bankrolling him when he should have been shut down. “Hillary makes $250K for a speech!”

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:13:30pm

re: #134 Barefoot Grin

The other thing that stood out to me from the Politico interview with Trump’s biographers was how big banks decided to keep bankrolling him when he should have been shut down. “Hillary makes $250K for a speech!”

Which I also find repugnant for anyone to make that much, but…. Right now David Price makes one million dollars per start for the BoSox.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:14:27pm

You know your party has gone to shit when you look back fondly on Mitt Romney.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:14:34pm

re: #133 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, today was my birthday, and I was hoping Trump would completely flame out as a present. Christmas will be too late!

Many happy returns!

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thedopefishlives  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:14:52pm

re: #134 Barefoot Grin

The other thing that stood out to me from the Politico interview with Trump’s biographers was how big banks decided to keep bankrolling him when he should have been shut down. “Hillary makes $250K for a speech!”

Hillary is also worth listening to.

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gwangung  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:15:27pm

re: #134 Barefoot Grin

The other thing that stood out to me from the Politico interview with Trump’s biographers was how big banks decided to keep bankrolling him when he should have been shut down. “Hillary makes $250K for a speech!”

Trump charges $1.25 million.

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teleskiguy  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:15:46pm

Meanwhile in an alternate universe …

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:16:10pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:16:32pm

re: #138 thedopefishlives

Hillary is also worth listening to.

And didn’t I see Trump getting like $450 K for a speech? And Reagan getting a couple of Megabucks?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:16:42pm

re: #139 gwangung

I wonder how he’d react if someone hired him for a speech and then refused to pay?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:17:17pm

re: #140 teleskiguy

Meanwhile in an alternate universe …

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Says the guy who claims to hear EM waves and connect to the multiverse.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:17:19pm

re: #140 teleskiguy

Isn’t that CCJs asshole partner in crime?

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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:17:24pm

“Stranger Things” is pretty freaking great.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:17:54pm

He really can not do anything but whine:

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garzooma  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:18:00pm

re: #133 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, today was my birthday, and I was hoping Trump would completely flame out as a present. Christmas will be too late!

I was just thinking that as it’s the job of the VP candidate to trash the opposing Presidential candidate, Kaine must be waking up every morning thinking it’s Christmas.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:18:13pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

My wife and I are about to watch some more right now.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:19:03pm

I can already imagine how Trump will go off on Pence after the VP debate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:20:02pm
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JasonA  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:20:13pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

“Stranger Things” is pretty freaking great.

“Stranger Things” is fantastic. I spent a whole Sunday bingeing it the weekend it came out.

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gwangung  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:22:12pm

re: #139 gwangung

Trump charges $1.25 million.

Excuse me, that was 2008. In recent years, it’s gone up to $1.5 million.

abcnews.go.com

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gocart mozart  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:22:30pm
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Poligeek  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:23:28pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

Yep, the other half and I are binge watching it - we just started episode 7.

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freetoken  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:23:51pm

IIRC, I tried the first episode of Stranger Things but Ryder’s acting turned me off.

I guess horror shows are just not my thing.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:24:11pm

re: #123 Frankie Five Angels

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Christie was not enough to do it by himself, so he picked up another GOP governor to help with it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:24:12pm

re: #154 gocart mozart

The hands! Hahaha.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:24:27pm

re: #133 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, today was my birthday, and I was hoping Trump would completely flame out as a present. Christmas will be too late!

Hope you had a great day.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:25:43pm

re: #156 freetoken

I am not huge fan either but the kids and Modine save it for me.

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jayjaybear  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:27:13pm

#156 freetoken

I guess horror shows are just not my thing.

I would suggest not following this election, then…

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:27:18pm

re: #145 Eclectic Cyborg

He’s got a spot on that bigot Anthony Cumia’s network.

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freetoken  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:27:41pm

re: #161 jayjaybear

#156 freetoken

I would suggest not following this election, then…

Sadly, this is one horror show from which I cannot escape…

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Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:29:14pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

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The hatemail tipjar is getting expensive.

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:31:41pm

re: #100 PhillyPretzel

Next town over from us:

This is pretty damn bad, which means that in a few hours, we’ll probably see flooding along the Passaic River too.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:32:07pm
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JasonA  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:32:50pm

Jesus.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:33:38pm

re: #167 JasonA

But the answer to this problem is obviously MOAR GUNZ!!!!!

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:34:58pm

re: #167 JasonA

Just do what the cops tell you and every thing will be fine…

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thedopefishlives  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:35:22pm

re: #169 Frankie Five Angels

Just do what the cops tell you and every thing will be fine…

Because nobody ever got killed by police just by doing what they ask…

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:35:26pm

SMOTI just Tweeted this and Now. I. Can’t. Stop. Laughing.

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freetoken  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:35:31pm

Maybe I’m just going through a phase, but I’m finding most productions - small screen and large screen - just not very appealing to me.

Perhaps I’ve seen too much. Among other things, in college I studied English (not just the mandatory comp class, but rather a minor) and that included classes on film.

Over the decades I’ve watch so many productions that I am certainly skewed by now, perhaps so much so that my normal curmudgeonly self has gone over the cliff wrt entertainment.

One problem I have with so much made-for-US-network shows is how repetitive they can be. Surely few shows are made for the sake of creativity - they are made to sell advertisement.

Made-for-Netflix (or Amazon Prime, etc.) shows may have as their primary goal to keep you paying your monthly Netflix bill so they perhaps are not so commercial, and they like HBO shows tend to be better than what is found on “free” TV (which has now so gone over to “reality” TV that those consumers seeking dramas are probably even driven more to HBO and Netflix), yet I know that being truly creative, as for writing a story, takes a lot of work. And novelty is something I like.

Not sure where I’m going with this… but I think the change in our entertainment landscape probably says something about our society and each one of us.

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JasonA  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:35:43pm

re: #169 Frankie Five Angels

Just do what the cops tell you and every thing will be fine…

The article only says that they knocked, not that they identified themselves, so I’m wondering if they did.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:36:25pm

re: #171 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI just Tweeted this and Now. I. Can’t. Stop. Laughing.

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Still waiting on him to pick up on the story that is the original topic of this thread. It’ll be epic when he does, and make no mistake, he will.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:37:17pm

re: #166 FormerDirtDart

Probably the one he received when he became a citizen.

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William Lewis  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:38:01pm

re: #173 JasonA

The article only says that they knocked, not that they identified themselves, so I’m wondering if they did.

They often don’t and are allowed to by courts “concerned” about evidence being destroyed.

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JasonA  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:38:47pm

re: #172 freetoken

Not sure where I’m going with this… but I think the change in our entertainment landscape probably says something about our society and each one of us.

Hrm. What change, though? What deep and thought-provoking television dramas did we have twenty-thirty years ago that you’re pining for? I’m not trying to be confrontational, I just feel that tv is better than it’s been in a long long time.

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JasonA  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:39:27pm

re: #176 William Lewis

They often don’t and are allowed to by courts “concerned” about evidence being destroyed.

Yeah, I know they often don’t, which makes me wonder how they expect to prevent things like this.

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William Lewis  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:40:00pm

re: #178 JasonA

Yeah, I know they often don’t, which makes me wonder how they expect to prevent things like this.

Generally by leaving no contradictory witnesses…

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freetoken  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:40:07pm

re: #177 JasonA

I am thinking not so much as pining for the past, but observations on current trends in entertainment.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:40:14pm

re: #165 lawhawk

Is “Judicial Watch” some crazy wingnut site?

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BlueSpotinAL  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:41:05pm

re: #181 Frankie Five Angels

Is “Judicial Watch” some crazy wingnut site?

Yup!

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b.d.  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:42:21pm

re: #171 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI just Tweeted this and Now. I. Can’t. Stop. Laughing.

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The enemy of my enemy is also a moron….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:44:41pm

Afghan special forces taking on the insurgents at the hotel in Kabul.

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Joe Bacon  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:45:27pm

re: #181 Frankie Five Angels

Is “Judicial Watch” some crazy wingnut site?

Yes. It was set up by Richard Mellon Scaife as part of his “Arkansas Project” to take down Clinton. That son of a bitch is now roasting in hell for unleashing Larry KKKlayman on Democrats.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:45:30pm

re: #175 Dave In Austin

Probably the one he received when he became a citizen.

Not sure what you mean.
But, the article states the one being purchased is from the National Center for Constitutional Studies.
Wikipedia:

The National Center for Constitutional Studies (NCCS) is a conservative, religious-themed constitutionalist organization, founded by Latter-Day Saint political writer W. Cleon Skousen. It was formerly known as The Freemen Institute.

So, my concerns were correct

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William Lewis  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:46:26pm

Oh, gag. So, I stopped to pick up a six pack of a local pils (Leinenkugel’s) and found the most utterly disgusting thing on the checkout lane: Dr. McGillicuddy’s flavored “whiskey”. Basically it’s whiskey mash straight from the still with color and flavoring added. Water cut to 60 proof. No aging.

99 cents for a airline bottle. Got the Apple Flavor out of masochism. Smells like apple jacks cerial and tastes like a pop tart. Truly an abomination in the land…

-9.9 out of 10

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:47:29pm

re: #166 FormerDirtDart

[statement apparently incorrect]

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:49:21pm

re: #185 Joe Bacon

That son of a bitch is now roasting in hell for unleashing Larry KKKlayman on Democrats.

He’s still a troublemaker, but he has been sanctioned enough times that judges are on to him.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:49:34pm

re: #166 FormerDirtDart

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Khan’s COTUS is probably the one that he received at his naturalization. The ACLU also offers a pocket COTUS.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:49:43pm

re: #172 freetoken

Maybe I’m just going through a phase, but I’m finding most productions - small screen and large screen - just not very appealing to me.

Perhaps I’ve seen too much. Among other things, in college I studied English (not just the mandatory comp class, but rather a minor) and that included classes on film.

Over the decades I’ve watch so many productions that I am certainly skewed by now, perhaps so much so that my normal curmudgeonly self has gone over the cliff wrt entertainment.

One problem I have with so much made-for-US-network shows is how repetitive they can be. Surely few shows are made for the sake of creativity - they are made to sell advertisement.

Made-for-Netflix (or Amazon Prime, etc.) shows may have as their primary goal to keep you paying your monthly Netflix bill so they perhaps are not so commercial, and they like HBO shows tend to be better than what is found on “free” TV (which has now so gone over to “reality” TV that those consumers seeking dramas are probably even driven more to HBO and Netflix), yet I know that being truly creative, as for writing a story, takes a lot of work. And novelty is something I like.

Not sure where I’m going with this… but I think the change in our entertainment landscape probably says something about our society and each one of us.

I said once that I don’t have the attention span for movies any more, and it got a laugh, so I stuck with it. I guess what I really mean is that I don’t have the patience for movies any more—to sit there slackjawed for two hours while the actual information content of maybe three pages of text slowly dribbles into my brain. (And explosions don’t count as “information”. No more than one bit each, anyway.)

So mainly I just read any more. As far as network TV goes, when The Big Bang Theory goes off the air, I’ll probably give up on that altogether….

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Dave In Austin  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:50:57pm

re: #186 FormerDirtDart

I do believe that when a immigrant is sworn in as a citizen, they receive a pocket copy of the Constitution.

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ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:50:58pm

After more reading of the last thread and this it came to me ordinary American voters now all get to play “dirty Nixon tricksters” due to social media.

I think I read someone here comment something about can you imagine Nixon and his “Whitewater Plumbers and Dicky Tricks gang” had they been able to connect like social media connects.

Now, you drop some inane “facts” about something “Lying Hillary” never said and then all the little soldiers that are the more rabid Trump supporters go to work making something into nothing that all of them believe because all the crazy info is now on the ‘net.

So…in effect, the Chuck “Rage” Johnson, John Nolte, Dim Jim Hoft, Project Veratis flimflam filmmaker James O’Keefe types and all their followers all become Nixonian Dirty Tricks members.

I can’t say it was ever like this before the Obama/Bush election. That is when both Facebook (already going strong) and Twitter got to play in the election cycle.

So yeah, if Nixon were around it would be a guy like slick Paul Manafort and a creep like Roger Stone would be their “Watergate Plumbers” and the only breaking in they would have to do is log on and start some shit. And then that shit flies all over and covers everything…blinding the truth.

And we have a media that reports the shit as possible facts that need to be questioned but never actually question anything. As Chuck Todd said: “if we get too tough they would never be on our show again.”

After seeing the Clinton Bus Tour today and seeing all the crazy shit that has come out since I last read the morning thread around 11 AM eastern time to right now having caught up, I now have way more respect for anyone that runs for high offices in our government, especially if you are trying to be honest.

In some ways you don’t stand a chance to fight all the accusations that come at you from all directions and by the time your campaign can stamp out one crazy piece of lying fact another pops up.

It’s freaking out of control. This country is way less from all of this. Old time tricksters and yellow journalists are probably pissed they didn’t have these kind of penetrating social tools. Add in computer hacking and…new roads to bad political results.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:51:03pm

The hotel is fairly close to the airport (a couple of miles).

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:51:30pm

re: #185 Joe Bacon

Back when I was a wingnut I used to read The American Spectator, and early in the Clinton Administration, they did an EXCLUSIVE! BREAKING! story on how Hillary was getting it on with Vince Foster. The story said that at some White House social function, Hillary was cozying up with Foster, and I quote “Cooing to Foster ‘Oooooh, Vince…”

LOL! I can’t believe I used to buy that shit!

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William Lewis  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:51:55pm

re: #191 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

So mainly I just read any more. As far as network TV goes, when The Big Bang Theory goes off the air, I’ll probably give up on that altogether….

Gave up TV completely at the digital cut over. Don’t miss it in the least.

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freetoken  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:52:05pm

re: #191 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yes, one thing that is happening is that we are wanting the stimuli to come at us faster.

I too find some movies or TV shows just too slow. Years ago perhaps I would sit and watch them. But now I don’t have the patience.

I don’t know if this is caused by, or simply concurrent with, our trends in “news” and the near-instantaneous transfer of information around the world.

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freetoken  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:53:57pm

Note that today’s trend of “binge watching” would be quite foreign to visual entertainment in previous decades.

This is an example of how we are changing our forms of being entertained.

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Interesting Times  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:56:20pm

re: #197 freetoken

I too find some movies or TV shows just too slow. Years ago perhaps I would sit and watch them. But now I don’t have the patience.

I don’t know if this is caused by, or simply concurrent with, our trends in “news” and the near-instantaneous transfer of information around the world.

Others have asked the same question: You Now Have a Shorter Attention Span Than a Goldfish

The average attention span for the notoriously ill-focused goldfish is nine seconds, but according to a new study from Microsoft Corp., people now generally lose concentration after eight seconds, highlighting the affects of an increasingly digitalized lifestyle on the brain.

Researchers in Canada surveyed 2,000 participants and studied the brain activity of 112 others using electroencephalograms (EEGs). Microsoft found that since the year 2000 (or about when the mobile revolution began) the average attention span dropped from 12 seconds to eight seconds.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:57:26pm

re: #192 Dave In Austin

I do believe that when a immigrant is sworn in as a citizen, they receive a pocket copy of the Constitution.

Sure, but what does that have to do with the US Constitution being Amazon bestseller after Khan’s speech?

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majii  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:58:36pm

re: #33 lawhawk

“These people have no shame or facts. Only smears and obfuscations.”
“And lies. Can’t forget the lies.”

What appears to be disingenuous to me is Trump and his supporters pretending that he didn’t try to silence the Khans and others to keep them from criticizing him. That his supporters can’t see that if he attempts to silence others, there will be a time when he will also attempt to shut them up. I’ve been observing and participating in politics for more than 40 years, and it still amazes me that supporters of some politicians with anti-democratic leanings seem to think that once the pol is in office, s/he will make a special exemption just for them. I read an article written by Steve Benen a couple days ago which mentioned that KY’s new Gov. Bevin [R] wants to redefine the meaning of healthcare coverage. Why? Because he wants to remove Medicaid as a means by which KY citizens get healthcare. The strangest thing about Bevin attempting to deprive almost 400,000 Kentuckians of medical care is that many of the individuals who would be affected, if he has his way, are on Medicaid. I can’t help but think that when they voted for him, they thought he’d provide some sort of special exemption for them when he ended Obamacare in the state. They were benefiting from Obamacare and decided to risk losing it because Bevin was a “true conservative” and President Obama is the devil incarnate. Little did they know that KynectCare is Obamacare, or that Bevin won’t be giving those who voted for him a special exemption so that they can keep their healthcare coverage. Trump’s supporters need to understand that if he mistreats some, he will eventually get around to mistreating them, too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2016 • 6:59:22pm

good grief

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:00:00pm

re: #193 ObserverArt

May all the dirty tricksters meet Mr. Morden’s fate….

Vir Cotto Is A Badass

Not bad for a moon-faced assassin of joy…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:00:44pm

re: #143 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how he’d react if someone hired him for a speech and then refused to pay?

Instant lawsuit for $10 million.

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JasonA  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:00:58pm

Shots fired.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:01:09pm

re: #201 majii

Remember when they did that poll in Kentucky that had like 75% of respondents hating Obamacare, but 70% liking the Affordable Care Act? Good times…

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:01:23pm
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Scottishdragon  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:02:44pm

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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Jesus.

If Nina Turner shed a single, perfect tear in a dark and lonely forest, would we all feel sad?

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Scottishdragon  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:03:12pm

re: #203 Eric The Fruit Bat

May all the dirty tricksters meet Mr. Morden’s fate….

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Not bad for a moon-faced assassin of joy…

Head a fuckin’ spit as I recall.

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bratwurst  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:03:38pm

This will hopefully contribute to him losing his Senate seat this year and prevent him from ever holding office higher than dog catcher ever again:

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:03:56pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:04:12pm

No water, and now drown in garbage.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:04:22pm

re: #209 Scottishdragon

Head a fuckin’ spit as I recall.

Ah-yep. Just as Vir described it.

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steve_davis  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:05:06pm

re: #15 Big Beautiful Door

That vile POS even slimed Captain Khan. Sleazy attacks based on the thinnest reeds is how the Right rolls.

Every time I read “Captain Khan,” I picture Montalban flying that starship! But seriously, Republicans planted this poison tree back in 2004, when they ran around their convention hall with purple band-aids on their chin, mocking Kerry’s purple hearts.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:07:01pm

re: #212 The Vicious Babushka

Wow, what an asshole Mayor.

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Scottishdragon  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:09:48pm

re: #213 Eric The Fruit Bat

Ah-yep. Just as Vir described it.

So what are you going to do, Mollari? Blow up the island?

Actually…now that you mention it…

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:17:16pm

Went and saw Star Trek Beyond. I enjoyed the movie and I like that the Beastie Boys are classical music.

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Sherlock Hound  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:17:31pm

re: #203 Eric The Fruit Bat

If you remember that meeting with Morden, Vir leaves the table and gives his little wave. In retrospect, I was howling every time I saw that scene!

Let’s all wave to Trump, whose favors come at too high a price for the next ten generations!

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:18:19pm

Rank Pubic always makes me think of Mr. Bean
For which I apologize to Rowan Atkinson

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:21:28pm

re: #206 Frankie Five Angels

Semantics plays a big role in how we think about something.

The Ministry of Truth, I mean Fox News, told its anchors back when the ACA is being debated to refer to the ACA as ‘government run healthcare’.

Why? Because when polls found that people supported ‘public healthcare’ but opposed ‘government run healthcare’. Same plan but support could be undermined by linking it to the government.

Sometimes it’s difficult to keep faith in my species.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:22:12pm

re: #219 FormerDirtDart

Rank Pubic always make me think of Mr. Bean
For which I apologize to Rowan Atkinson

I recently saw a show where Rowan Atkinson plays the French detective, Maigret.

He was good, but I kept expected to say he had a cunning plan.

Rinse has the Blackadder “cunning plan” look.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:23:57pm
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nines09  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:24:11pm
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ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:26:01pm

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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Why is this not a surprise to this Ohioan?

Damn…let me apologize for the rest of the sane Democrats of Ohio. Nina is a problem with a mouth that cannot be contained. She will be back on the Hillary hate ASAP now…and bashing every little thing she learned in the Bernie campaign.

And the Trump campaign.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:26:19pm

re: #217 Belafon

Went and saw Star Trek Beyond. I enjoyed the movie and I like that the Beastie Boys are classical music.

As classic as Jacqueline Susann, Harold Robbins?

Trekkie Lingo! ;-)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:27:31pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:27:50pm

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

That should get Stein from 2% to 2%.

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ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:29:30pm

re: #210 bratwurst

This will hopefully contribute to him losing his Senate seat this year and prevent him from ever holding office higher than dog catcher ever again:

Sabrina Siddiqui ✔ @SabrinaSiddiqui
Marco Rubio now actively campaigning for Trump: “We have to make sure that Donald wins this election.” m.heraldtribune.com
9:52 PM - 31 Jul 2016 * Washington, DC, United States
67 67 Retweets 35 35 likes

Uh oh…this is going to cause concerns with one member of this fine blog/forum. Confusion comes falling down around him now. : )

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Skip Intro  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:31:06pm

re: #228 ObserverArt

If he’s still a Republican after watching this shit show there’s no hope for him.

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Lancelot Link  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:32:27pm

Theodore Shoebat has explicitly called for the execution of anyone who supports gay rights, on religious grounds.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:34:05pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:35:59pm

re: #230 Lancelot Link

Theodore Shoebat has explicitly called for the execution of anyone who supports gay rights, on religious grounds.

His statements about women are also routinely insane.

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bratwurst  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:36:12pm

This was probably posted yesterday, but I keep coming back to it.

SO many people are letting our country and the whole world down by putting party above principles.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:36:45pm

re: #230 Lancelot Link

Theodore Shoebat has explicitly called for the execution of anyone who supports gay rights, on religious grounds.

Him and his father’s views are much more like the Islamists than people like the Khans. Of course, that irony is never lost on certain people.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:37:56pm

re: #220 Romantic Heretic

And the truth and the people it helps be damned.

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No Depression  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:37:58pm

re: #222 FormerDirtDart

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I love their headlines.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:38:29pm

re: #210 bratwurst

This will hopefully contribute to him losing his Senate seat this year and prevent him from ever holding office higher than dog catcher ever again:

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Who would have thought that Ted Cruz would be look like he had more integrity than Rubio? Okay, granted Trump never went after Rubio’s family in the way he did Cruz’s but still. This is Rubio, the guy that the establishment wanted to portray as their “sane, voice of the future.” Tie Rubio to Trump fully and defeat the jerk.

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ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:38:58pm

NFL Football is definitely an issue for Trump and the Republicans.

I’d bet more of their base would have problems missing games and blowing off a debate as compared to Hillary’s base.

Add in the people that do not like football having a real good reason for missing the games their rabid family and friends usually watch in a media dominating fashion finding themselves on another TV or internet connection tuned into and following the debate.

I’m kinda thinking all those people are not the right people Trump and the GOP would want watching the debates alone.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:39:02pm

re: #214 steve_davis

Every time I read “Captain Khan,” I picture Montalban flying that starship! But seriously, Republicans planted this poison tree back in 2004, when they ran around their convention hall with purple band-aids on their chin, mocking Kerry’s purple hearts.

I said it earlier, I still have not forgiven them for that. They began their journey to today with that shit.

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Lancelot Link  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:40:11pm

re: #230 Lancelot Link

Theodore Shoebat has explicitly called for the execution of anyone who supports gay rights, on religious grounds.

Oh, and by the way, he made those statements in the context of defending the Russian government’s actions.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:41:45pm

re: #240 Lancelot Link

Oh, and by the way, he made those statements in the context of defending the Russian government’s actions.

I believe it. And these are the types that think they can question the patriotism of others.

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bratwurst  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:43:51pm

re: #214 steve_davis

Every time I read “Captain Khan,” I picture Montalban flying that starship! But seriously, Republicans planted this poison tree back in 2004, when they ran around their convention hall with purple band-aids on their chin, mocking Kerry’s purple hearts.

That ostensibly anti-Trump (NRO) right is having none of that:

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Teukka  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:45:26pm

Your evening dose of neoclassical / epic music: Thomas Bergersen - Threnody for Europe

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lockjawcanbefun  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:45:29pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:45:44pm

re: #242 bratwurst

That ostensibly anti-Trump (NRO) right is having none of that:

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It’s typical conservative refusal to take responsibility for their own actions.

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EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:46:16pm

re: #120 teleskiguy

Well look at that. I didn’t know the Führerprinzip Paul Ryan is abiding by could be expressed mathematically. Learn something new every day.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:46:18pm

re: #244 lockjawcanbefun

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That’s true. Trump may not be sick, he may just be the most bigoted person nominated by a major party in some time.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:48:22pm

Re: Kerry. Just imagine a 2008 DNC with things like what you saw at the 2004 RNC. In fact, I’ll say this, the Democratic Party has probably praised John McCain’s bravery in the military as much if not more than the Republican Party has.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:51:31pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:51:56pm

STUPIDEST TCOT TWEET OF THE DAY==>

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BeenHereAwhile  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:52:39pm

re: #28 HappyWarrior

Can this please be the moment of no return for not just Trump but the conservative movement as a whole? They’ve always been assholes but I’d really hope that smearing a grieving father as a member of the Muslim Brotherhood whose son died in combat would be a final straw for many people. Worse than Shoebat honestly are cowards like Ryan and McConnell who say they condemn Trump’s remarks but keep on supporting him.

Mac & R hope to get Trump elected & invoke Amendment 25.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:52:45pm

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This fucking guy,

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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:52:48pm

There it is. Trump crony @RogerJStoneJr is the first to retweet the ugly Walid Shoebat smear.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:53:29pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:54:44pm

And Pence misses the point Mr. Khan made. He never explicitly said the Iraq War was a good thing or bad thing. He just wants Trump to stop questioning the patriotism of Muslim-Americans when his own son died in combat. Pence showing again why he’s the moron who denied cigarettes cause cancer and cried about Mulan.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:55:14pm

re: #253 Charles Johnson

There it is. Trump crony @RogerJStoneJr is the first to retweet the ugly Walid Shoebat smear.

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These people are evil bastards. They really are Charles. This just makes me fucking sick.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:55:40pm
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EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:56:19pm

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mike Pence has caught a bad case of the Führerprinzip going around in GOP circles these days.

Ditching Trump is the only cure.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:56:36pm

re: #257 The Vicious Babushka

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I honestly don’t care that Melania posed nude but I do want every Republican and conservative to ask themselves if they would have defended Michelle had she done the same.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:57:08pm
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mmmirele  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:58:19pm

re: #185 Joe Bacon

Yes. It was set up by Richard Mellon Scaife as part of his “Arkansas Project” to take down Clinton. That son of a bitch is now roasting in hell for unleashing Larry KKKlayman on Democrats.

You mean Grossly Inappropriate Larry Klayman. A magistrate judge in his divorce and child custody case in Ohio wrote that Klayman did some inappropriate things with his minor children, then refused to testify under oath about it. You can find the magistrate’s report from page 47 onward (90 some odd pages) in this Ohio Supreme Court decision. The only reason this report is public is because Klayman himself filed it and didn’t put it under seal.

sconet.state.oh.us

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:58:33pm

It’s not just a hateful slur. It’s a stupid slur.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2016 • 7:59:19pm

re: #259 HappyWarrior

I honestly don’t care that Melania posed nude but I do want every Republican and conservative to ask themselves if they would have defended Michelle had she done the same.

There is a wingnut meme of some 1960’s porno model with Anne Dunham’s face Photoshopped on her body and HURR HURR OBAMA’S MOTHER POSED FOR PORNO!!!!11!!! because of course any white woman who marries a black man must be a ho.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:00:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:01:13pm

re: #263 The Vicious Babushka

There is a wingnut meme of some 1960’s porno model with Anne Dunham’s face Photoshopped on her body and HURR HURR OBAMA’S MOTHER POSED FOR PORNO!!!!11!!! because of course any white woman who marries a black man must be a ho.

The stuff they do to the President’s mother is just disgusting.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:02:27pm

re: #264 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This is good to see. Solidarity.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:03:06pm

re: #263 The Vicious Babushka

There is a wingnut meme of some 1960’s porno model with Anne Dunham’s face Photoshopped on her body and HURR HURR OBAMA’S MOTHER POSED FOR PORNO!!!!11!!! because of course any white woman who marries a black man must be a ho.

I recall Ashley Judd worried that her nude scenes for the movies would be used against her in a Senate run in KY.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:05:14pm

re: #257 The Vicious Babushka

Top Trump adviser: Nude photos of Melania “a celebration of the human body”

Republican platform labels pornography ‘a public health crisis’

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Interesting Times  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:05:19pm

re: #264 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Obviously another moozlem brotherhood agent.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:05:38pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:07:27pm

re: #260 FormerDirtDart

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He sacrificed his son. Just in case Trump ran for president. Ok.

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JasonA  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:08:19pm

re: #264 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If John McCain of all people can’t find it in him to renounce Trump, I really have no hope for any Republican politicians.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:10:39pm

re: #272 JasonA

If John McCain of all people can’t find it in him to renounce Trump, I really have no hope for any Republican politicians.

McCain has shown unfortunately that he cares more about his seat than anything else now. It’s honestly quite sad.

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Sherlock Hound  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:11:18pm

re: #272 JasonA

Especially now. Trump just effectively slandered him. Again.

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ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:11:38pm

Later Lizards. I think I’ve had enough of the Trump dementia and slime peddlers for the day. I don’t want to have it affect the good times I had at the Hillary event today.

I left there feeling pretty good about her chances. The crowd was larger than I expected and really into what she had to say. That bodes well and I wanna crash for the day on the good vibes.

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JasonA  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:12:17pm
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JasonA  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:13:10pm

re: #275 ObserverArt

Later Lizards. I think I’ve had enough of the Trump dementia and slime peddlers for the day. I don’t want to have it affect the good times I had at the Hillary event today.

I left there feeling pretty good about her chances. The crowd was larger than I expected and really into what she had to say. That bodes well and I wanna crash for the day on the good vibes.

Oh, the shitshow will be here waiting for you when you return.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:14:01pm
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Belafon  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:14:06pm

re: #242 bratwurst

That ostensibly anti-Trump (NRO) right is having none of that:

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JasonA  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:14:13pm
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JasonA  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:14:38pm

re: #278 FormerDirtDart

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Okay, now I’ll clap.

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Teukka  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:14:49pm

Catching up on my YouTube subscriptions, and this caught my eye. Somewhat dated, but relevant when dealing with RWNJ’s and evaluating information:Quickie: Source, Please! (Why cite sources?)

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Joe Bacon  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:16:59pm

re: #238 ObserverArt

NFL Football is definitely an issue for Trump and the Republicans.

I’d bet more of their base would have problems missing games and blowing off a debate as compared to Hillary’s base.

Add in the people that do not like football having a real good reason for missing the games their rabid family and friends usually watch in a media dominating fashion finding themselves on another TV or internet connection tuned into and following the debate.

I’m kinda thinking all those people are not the right people Trump and the GOP would want watching the debates alone.

I’m imagining the meltdown if the debates were scheduled against NASCAR races. Trump’s base would be in TOTAL meltdown mode. And if God forbid they were scheduled against WWE Raw!!!!!!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:17:40pm

re: #268 FormerDirtDart

Republican platform labels pornography ‘a public health crisis’

It’s only dangerous if the actors/models are Democrats. //

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Joe Bacon  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:19:40pm

re: #284 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It’s only dangerous if the actors/models are Democrats. //

They’re not that much of a public health danger here in Los Angeles anymore since we passed a referendum requiring condom usage on porn actors!

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JasonA  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:20:02pm

I’m actually a little grateful to Trump for this ability.

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Viscous Obama  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:20:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:20:59pm

re: #286 JasonA

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I’m actually a little grateful to Trump for this ability.

Trump does have a magical ability to bring assholes of all backgrounds together.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:21:24pm
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Joe Bacon  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:22:52pm

Fuck You, Roger Stone!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:23:02pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:23:05pm

I want Trump to be trounced so badly that this guy will look like the idiot he is.

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Joe Bacon  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:24:12pm

re: #292 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I want Trump to be trounced so badly that this guy will look like the idiot he is.

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If there is any justice in the world, Trump will run third behind Gary Johnson.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:28:08pm

re: #292 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Will that be the day he brings his brown shirt out of the closet?

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:29:46pm

re: #283 Joe Bacon

I’m imagining the meltdown if the debates were scheduled against NASCAR races. Trump’s base would be in TOTAL meltdown mode. And if God forbid they were scheduled against WWE Raw!!!!!!

What no one seems to have noted yet, the entire month of October is the MLB postseason. Practically every day, from 3 Oct-to-2 Nov, a playoff game will be scheduled to be played during prime-time.

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gwangung  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:30:33pm

re: #292 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I want Trump to be trounced so badly that this guy will look like the idiot he is.

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And he can cite Bernie Sanders on how well that works!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:31:34pm

re: #292 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I want Trump to be trounced so badly that this guy will look like the idiot he is.

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Mike only talks to white supremacist cowards like himself.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:33:01pm
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bratwurst  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:35:03pm

re: #295 FormerDirtDart

What no one seems to have noted yet, the entire month of October is the MLB postseason. Practically every day, from 3 Oct-to-2 Nov, a playoff game will be scheduled to be played during prime-time.

There are two differences:

1) The audience is comparatively small.

and more importantly

2) NONE of the games are on a major broadcast network (Fox) until the World Series, after the last debate. One of the NFL games in question is on NBC, which will keep the debate off that network completely.

That is why nobody is talking about this angle…and I say this as a MUCH bigger baseball than football fan.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:35:29pm

re: #292 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Someone should remind him that liberals have guns, too-they just don’t use them as penis extensions like the microcephalic mouthbreathing slackjawed imbeciles Cernovich and his fellow travelers do.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:35:33pm

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Good. He’s 100% right.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:36:08pm

re: #300 Eric The Fruit Bat

Someone should remind him that liberals have guns too.

We’re also not the stereotyped sissies that their propaganda has been telling them for years.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:38:42pm

re: #302 HappyWarrior

We’re also not the stereotyped sissies that their propaganda has been telling them for years.

Cernovich has talked to protesters, so he knows the American public’s mind. After all, he can commune with the multiverse.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:39:55pm

“BLARWHARGLE WHERE ARE THE PATRIOTIC PRO-AMERICA MUSLIMS?”
*Patriotic pro-America Muslim says patriotic, pro-America things*
“BLARWHARGLE THAT GUY IS OBVIOUSLY THE ENEMY!”

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JasonA  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:39:57pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:42:04pm

re: #305 JasonA

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That’s what I was referring to earlier when I said Allen West is still a vile person.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:44:44pm

Hmmmm…

WALID SHOEBAT = A WEB SHITLOAD

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:45:00pm

re: #305 JasonA

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You know, I would hope that this would have been a bridge too far even for West but I guess not.

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Kragar  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:45:59pm
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Dave In Austin  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:46:18pm

Nice…..

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freetoken  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:47:47pm

re: #310 Dave In Austin

Doesn’t seem to fit the word “micro” so well…

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:48:48pm

It’s almost midnight here on the East coast, and the Cubs are still playing tonight’s game at Wrigley.
It’s been almost 28 years, but night games at Wrigley still seem odd to me.

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bratwurst  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:48:49pm

Some people are too stupid to learn anything. Ever.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:49:37pm

re: #310 Dave In Austin

With slightly different coloring this photo is also what we can expect on day 1 of the Trump administration.

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:50:11pm

Yes, it’s early, but she’s at 50%.

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majii  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:53:46pm

re: #305 JasonA

Allen West should be the last former member of the military to open his mouth. He seems to forget that he was forced out of the U.S. Army because he behaved in a manner unbecoming an officer, which is what got him in hot water in the first place. The more I see/hear of/from him, I understand why top U.S. Army officials felt he should leave the organization. The guy’s full of himself, doesn’t seem to have very much restraint when it comes to the things he says, and as far as I can tell, he doesn’t seem to be able to distinguish between right and wrong. He’s the GOP’s useful black puppet, and he seems to think it somehow makes him important. It doesn’t. If he makes one wrong step, the GOP rank and filers will attack his butt like they attack others. He’s their darling only for as long as he’s willing to do their bidding.

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Teukka  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:53:50pm

re: #311 freetoken

Doesn’t seem to fit the word “micro” so well…

Yah, that looks more like a macroburst *ducks* …

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Joe Bacon  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:54:06pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:56:16pm

re: #315 Belafon

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Yes, it’s early, but she’s at 50%.

That’s good to see.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:56:36pm

Jill Stein is as pure as the driven snow. Jill Stein is no corporate politician…
//

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:57:04pm

how long will trump help hillary by stepping on all her negative news cycles?

wikileaks must be furious

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Dave In Austin  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:57:21pm
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freetoken  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:57:51pm

This Kos site entry came up on a search on creationism.

The author notes the similarities between Drumpfskind and creationists like Gish and Hovind:

Trump perfects the ‘Gish Gallop,’ leaving media overwhelmed in trying to correct his many whoppers

The Gish Gallop is an effective debating technique when used in front of laypeople who don’t know the facts, or believers who simply don’t care. Trump is not the first politician to use it effectively, and he probably won’t be the last. But Trump has elevated rapid-fire lying to angry mobs to heights not seen in presidential politics since the days of George Wallace.

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BeenHereAwhile  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:58:17pm

re: #177 JasonA

Hrm. What change, though? What deep and thought-provoking television dramas did we have twenty-thirty years ago that you’re pining for? I’m not trying to be confrontational, I just feel that tv is better than it’s been in a long long time.

Hill Street Blues

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Joe Bacon  Jul 31, 2016 • 8:58:29pm

re: #320 FormerDirtDart

Jill Stein is as pure as the driven snow. Jill Stein is no corporate politician…
//

[Embedded content]

Yeah, she’s so committed to the Greens that she wants to form a fusion ticket with Gary Johnson and the Libertarians.

Jill FRANKENStein is nothing more that a cheap opportunist who will do anything to put Trump in the Presidency.

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majii  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:00:01pm

re: #310 Dave In Austin

“Microburst in Phoenix.”

I’m glad its not a haboob. If it were, the news network would be attacked by the same knuckle-draggers who attacked it when a news-person in AZ mentioned the word haboob in a weather report. They went straight from zero to totally nuts, began talking about how bad Islam is, how afraid they are of Sharia Law, and they followed these up by making threats of violence against the news station and its employees.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:00:04pm
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Dave In Austin  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:00:33pm

I got a post on my FB feed from Mike Pence grubbing for donations. The responses were 1 in 10 in support. The rest either were asking him to walk away or to plainly fuck off.

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teleskiguy  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:03:00pm

re: #290 Joe Bacon

I certainly didn’t mince words.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:03:32pm

re: #326 majii

“Microburst in Phoenix.”

I’m glad its not a haboob. If it were, the news network would be attacked by the same knuckle-draggers who attacked it when a news-person in AZ mentioned the word haboob in a weather report. They went straight from zero to totally nuts, began talking about how bad Islam is, how afraid they are of Sharia Law, and they followed these up by making threats of violence against the news station and its employees.

I grew up in Phoenix and have lived most of my life there. Some of my old hippie, dope smokin’ buddies from the day have gone full wingnut. They absolutely go tin-foil when ever they hear that term.

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Joe Bacon  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:04:46pm

Wait till tomorrow when Trump reveals the 11 secret herbs and spices in Kentucky Fried Chicken!

Tweet from a naughty person deleted…

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majii  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:04:57pm

re: #328 Dave In Austin

For some reason, I get mail from the GOP and the RNC. I’ve never subscribed to either. All mail I receive is so filled with lies that as soon as I scan them, they go straight into the nearest trash can in my backyard. At one time, Ron Paul was sending mail, too. I think what happened was someone associated with these groups/individuals noticed how much I have donated to democrats and wanted me to donate to them. I never have, and I never will.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:05:22pm
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Joe Bacon  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:06:11pm

re: #329 teleskiguy

I certainly didn’t mince words.

[Embedded content]

Amen! Take it to him. Remind folks of how ol’ Roger loved to swing at Plato’s Retreat with ol Walrus Face John Bolton!

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:06:24pm

re: #333 FormerDirtDart

Who knew the Muslim Brotherhood was into US constitutional rights?

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Joe Bacon  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:07:33pm

re: #332 majii

For some reason, I get mail from the GOP and the RNC. I’ve never subscribed to either. All mail I receive is so filled with lies that as soon as I scan them, they go straight into the nearest trash can in my backyard. At one time, Ron Paul was sending mail, too. I think what happened was someone associated with these groups/individuals noticed how much I have donated to democrats and wanted me to donate to them. I never have, and I never will.

I think one of my family members put my e-mail on the GOP mailing list because I’m getting crap daily from ol’ Reince and Cheeto Jesus!

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:07:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:08:16pm

re: #333 FormerDirtDart

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Stone, Shoebat, Trump, and all these people messed with the wrong family.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:09:06pm

Even Stone’s hero Nixon wouldn’t have sunk so low to go after the Khans.

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freetoken  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:11:21pm

Ok, getting back to my earlier ramblings…

One aspect of our television/visual-entertainment today, and which has been remarked upon by others, is that these products are narrow-cast, or targeted, to small groups. Any given taste in entertainment can now be “super-served” (apparently a popular term in media markets).

However, what this also means is that what we watch is becoming less and less a shared experience with the majority of our society.

A few years ago this came up when the hot phrase was “epistemic bubble”, and it was noted that unlike in the 1960’s and 1970’s when most Americans all watched the same news casts (e.g., Cronkite, or Brinkley), today 3 or 4 million people people only watch Fox News, and maybe only Hannity or O’Reilly, for their news, but others watch this or that (say a personality on MSNBC), or only view Youtube videos, etc.

There are very few shared experiences for entertainment on visual broadcasts, that include a sizeable fraction of the American population. Perhaps the Super Bowl is an exception.

Anyway, what I find as I grow older, and I do not believe it is just me growing older as I try to sample a variety of what is available on the market, is that our tastes are being served, but as a consequence of hyper-specialization our language is becoming more fragmented. By language I don’t mean just lexical entries, but the idioms, the connotations, and this is because communication has much to do with shared experiences.

But if we don’t have shared experiences it becomes harder to relate to, or, to communicate with, another person.

This then we see also in American today, with the phrase “the two Americas” - as if we are only fractured into two components.

In this election in particular we are seeing the electorate divide among educational attainment and ancestral background. (Which is intentional, I am sure, on the part of Drumpfskind.)

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No Depression  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:11:41pm

re: #335 Belafon

Who knew the Muslim Brotherhood was into US constitutional rights?

He’s only HIJACKING Constitutional RIGHTS to SPREAD ISLAM. Do YOU not realize the GRAVITY of this?

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Joe Bacon  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:12:51pm

re: #339 HappyWarrior

Even Stone’s hero Nixon wouldn’t have sunk so low to go after the Khans.

Nixon wouldn’t have to since Stone and his disciples Segretti, Rove and Atwater would have done the dirty work to smear them.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:13:24pm

Wingnuts have been crying that Muslims don’t assimliate into this country or respect our values. Well here’s a family that has done it times a 1000 and indeed more so than many families born here especially including Trump’s own.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:13:38pm

re: #342 Joe Bacon

Nixon wouldn’t have to since Stone and his disciples Segretti, Rove and Atwater would have done the dirty work to smear them.

Touche.

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Interesting Times  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:13:44pm

re: #329 teleskiguy

I certainly didn’t mince words.

[Embedded content]

Scum, vermin, and sacks of shit strenuously object to being slandered in this manner.

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teleskiguy  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:14:47pm

Just checked Breitbart “News.” They haven’t ran with this “Khizr Khan is a traitor” smear … yet. It is almost bedtime, we might see a horrible headline tomorrow morning from that fuckin’ sewer.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:15:15pm

re: #332 majii

For some reason, I get mail from the GOP and the RNC. I’ve never subscribed to either. All mail I receive is so filled with lies that as soon as I scan them, they go straight into the nearest trash can in my backyard. At one time, Ron Paul was sending mail, too. I think what happened was someone associated with these groups/individuals noticed how much I have donated to democrats and wanted me to donate to them. I never have, and I never will.

I have this thing in my mind… It’ll never happen but I can dream. I will continue to ask Mike Pence to walk away from this buffoonery, I tell him he is better than that and that thew Trumpstink will be on him for the rest of his life.

I know it will never happen but I can dream of the humiliation it would cause to the Yam.

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No Depression  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:15:34pm

re: #345 Interesting Times

Scum, vermin, and sacks of shit strenuously object to being slandered in this manner.

He didn’t slander them. He libeled them. Get it right. /

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:15:39pm

re: #346 teleskiguy

Just checked Breitbart “News.” They haven’t ran with this “Khizr Khan is a traitor” smear … yet. It is almost bedtime, we might see a horrible headline tomorrow morning from that fuckin’ sewer.

I expect nothing but the worst from that cesspit.

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Joe Bacon  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:17:16pm

re: #347 Dave In Austin

I have this thing in my mind… It’ll never happen but I can dream. I will continue to ask Mike Pence to walk away from this buffoonery, I tell him he is better than that and that thew Trumpstink will be on him for the rest of his life.

I know it will never happen but I can dream of the humiliation it would cause to the Yam.

Would be nice to dream about it but it won’t happen because Pence is like every other Republican. All they want is to get power and keep it and there is nothing that they will let stand in their way. Republicans act exactly the same as the Communist Party did in the Soviet Union.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:18:42pm

re: #331 Joe Bacon

Wait till tomorrow when Trump reveals the 11 secret herbs and spices in Kentucky Fried Chicken!

[Embedded content]

You do know that the guy whose tweet you posted is a major creep, right?

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:20:56pm

re: #351 goddamnedfrank

You do know that the guy whose tweet you posted is a major creep, right?

I mean, in this instance he’s glommed onto a good point simply because he’s part of the #NeverTrump faction. But he’s a huge asshole.

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calochortus  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:21:28pm

My good deed for the day: I pointed out to someone that Jill Stein was an anti-vaxxer. She will not be getting that vote. (In defense of the particular voter, he’s from a state that will go overwhelmingly for Clinton and it would have been because he wants to broaden the number of viable parties.)

In totally off topic news, El Capitan, John Philip Sousa’s best known (which is to say, pretty much unknown ) operetta was surprisingly good. I had a great time. It was performed by an amateur group, but being the Bay Area, we have very, very good community theater. As long as one didn’t take the plot seriously (because, operetta) it had good music, good singing and was funny. Apparently it hasn’t been performed in CA in over 100 years-there was a touring company following a run on Broadway that came here and then it disappeared from the repertoire. In the unlikely event you have a chance to see it-do.

6w0MFvaj7Jj38Xcof5MhAQ1KsVp6OV1jrj9MgwFCmNWkEaMlYy6xGrCObP/Ion0v6oLV+49aW02mwxKBKHIonzgyzHAb4cbthj9QbACK4WewiDNH/XpkRzAAhlXRSoxZ5wDjdFqwPPrBTm+wxb7N7jKy4cq/u0n31/VoSG9GTHe0NxVjLk+1KzHE5q5guRJzq3vrazwyCtMJPXgtgEPdNoifp7WBxj0LzcxavshRDe/zS54k0ytqQPWhRhyEI+eB8yMqRS2x/j4UpqW5OPxfVVLdo/EJThT5wusANnbrnLbhcMdg4u4n64F6/jLyGymMwlh9PFdtYKJQbXRmD4LZqQbJDH14rLOGXJ+wLlup9//wiyphtWedgMcxl1PdkoCD

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:21:37pm

re: #350 Joe Bacon

Would be nice to dream about it but it won’t happen because Pence is like every other Republican. All they want is to get power and keep it and there is nothing that they will let stand in their way. Republicans act exactly the same as the Communist Party did in the Soviet Union.

Pence’s response was pretty telling to blame Obama and Clinton’s FP for Khan’s son’s death which A) Showed he and his staff didn’t bother to research when Cpt Khan died and B) ignored that Khan did not blame Trump for his son’s death but rather asked him to stop questioning the patriotism of Muslim Americans which wasn’t pro or anti gay.

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Joe Bacon  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:21:42pm

re: #351 goddamnedfrank

You do know that the guy whose tweet you posted is a major creep, right?

Didn’t know that. Am deleting. Thanks for alerting!

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freetoken  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:24:02pm

Another aspect, often commented upon by reviewers of entertainment, is the never ending need for more stimuli.

Every show has to out-do the previous.

Which is why get shows not with one zombie, but with millions.

Anyway, in regards to sex, which always sells, the new show on UK’s Channel 4, “Naked Attraction”, has to go farther than the show here in the US called Naked Dating.

So what Naked Attraction gives in the full monty.

Yes, full frontal nudity.

Close ups.

Lots and lots of closeups.

It’s caused a bit of a stir even in the UK.

Now, for whatever valid reasons there may be to seeing a potential date naked as the first step to an introduction, in this case it is pretty clear this is all about getting ratings.

And this is done by going that one extra step, attempting to become more stimulating that the previous generation of TV shows.

More notable in my lifetime has been the increase in gore on TV. What was once a bit of an out-cast genre in film (mostly European at that) has now become mainstream in American TV.

Because we need to up the stimuli.

The blowback to all this will be, eventually, a new era of prudery, of some nature anyway. I don’t know when or how, but eventually there will be a movement that succeeds in bringing back some “morality” clause for laws controlling entertainment. Maybe that is decades away, maybe a century away, but these things come and go for sure.

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William Lewis  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:25:26pm

re: #300 Eric The Fruit Bat

Someone should remind him that liberals have guns, too-they just don’t use them as penis extensions like the microcephalic mouthbreathing slackjawed imbeciles Cernovich and his fellow travelers do.

And that many of us are veterans who might just take to the forest and mountains as “Militia” as well…

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:27:35pm
Anyway, what I find as I grow older, and I do not believe it is just me growing older as I try to sample a variety of what is available on the market, is that our tastes are being served, but as a consequence of hyper-specialization our language is becoming more fragmented. By language I don’t mean just lexical entries, but the idioms, the connotations, and this is because communication has much to do with shared experiences.

In other words: “The damn kids these days.”

I don’t disagree at all, and I don’t mean to be dismissive.

The damn kids these days.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:28:11pm

re: #357 William Lewis

And that many of us are veterans who might just take to the forest and mountains as “Militia” as well…

They also think it’s a given that the military will take their side.

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freetoken  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:29:26pm

So what Drumpfskind is doing, besides the Gish Gallop, is upping the stimuli.

He knows - he’s been a very successful reality TV star - that he needs to up the stimuli to keep his followers’ emotions on a high.

This is why Drumpfskind will never stop with his outrageous statements. They are intentional, part of a planned approach to manipulate the weak of mind or character.

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calochortus  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:30:58pm

re: #356 freetoken

I really don’t get that. I don’t watch creepy shows. I don’t watch violent shows. I’m not very interested in what passes as “reality” TV. I’m not going to watch some guys penis on TV. I’m not a prude (I realize you didn’t imply that I was) but I’m not going about peeping in windows. I want to watch programs that make me think, or teach me something, or maybe are just fluffy, escapist fun.
The general level of entertainment these days is appalling, although I suppose it always was.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:32:33pm

re: #355 Joe Bacon

My preference (which is OBVIOUSLY the most important consideration) is to never delete a comment you’d like to retract. Let it stand. If you really feel bad enough about it to delete it, just edit it.

In other words, I’d much prefer:

HERP DERP BLERBLE
(edit: woops, that was dumb and I hereby disavow it)

instead of:

[deleted]

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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:34:18pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:37:22pm

re: #363 Charles Johnson

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So did Trump and Pence no matter how hard Trump tries to weasel out of it.

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Jenner7  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:37:48pm

This was not an accident:

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Dave In Austin  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:39:16pm
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:39:16pm

re: #363 Charles Johnson

I for one am feeling very irratted.

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freetoken  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:40:44pm

re: #361 calochortus

The general level of entertainment these days is appalling, although I suppose it always was.

I think any of us, as we get older, find ourselves less tempted by what is offered as “entertainment”.

And commercial media know this, which is why they split of the ratings demographics into age groups.

One thing that has changed the past 50 years is the scale.

Today Americans are watching much more TV.

And the choices available are vastly expanded.

And, as I noted, the nature of programming is that the producers always strive to up the stimuli.

And that is why “VR” now is being so researched - that is the next step in upping the stimuli.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:40:51pm
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calochortus  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:45:08pm

re: #368 freetoken

I think any of us, as we get older, find ourselves less tempted by what is offered as “entertainment”.

And commercial media know this, which is why they split of the ratings demographics into age groups.

One this that has changed the past 50 years is the scale.

Today Americans are watching much more TV.

And the choices available are vastly expanded.

And, as I noted, the nature of programming is that the producers always strive to up the stimuli.

And that is why “VR” now is being so researched - that is the next step in upping the stimuli.

Yeah, I know. I’m, umm, well over 50 and I don’t get the popularity of VR. I’m kind of fond of actual reality. Well, most of the time, anyway. I can’t imagine how a head set of some sort could replace the smells and physical feelings (breeze on your skin, etc.) and the sheer complexity of actual reality however much novelty it may provide.

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calochortus  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:52:01pm

And with that, good night all. Hasta mañana.

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Ubiq  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:56:04pm

re: #60 JasonA

Donald Trump needs to dominate everything. That’s really all the answer you need.

Complaining about the debate schedule is what the losing campaign in an election ALWAYS does. You do it to create a sense that the game is rigged against you. See Bernie Sanders last winter.

It’s normal to complain about the schedule, but far less normal to do so in such a ridiculous and clumsy way. It really is like little Donny’s First Presidential Election.

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Ubiq  Jul 31, 2016 • 9:58:25pm

re: #136 Eclectic Cyborg

You know your party has gone to shit when you look back fondly on Mitt Romney.

You know your party has gone to shit when you start longing for Dubya.

Hell, I’ve been reading ‘Game Change’ (the book about the 2008 election) and to be honest, it’s kind of hilarious how apocalyptic we thought Sarah Palin’s nomination was at the time.

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Ubiq  Jul 31, 2016 • 10:00:50pm

re: #177 JasonA

My take is that TV is way better than it was a decade ago, and movies are generally much worse.

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Ubiq  Jul 31, 2016 • 10:15:18pm

re: #292 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I want Trump to be trounced so badly that this guy will look like the idiot he is.

[Embedded content]

Ask Bernie Sanders how well crazy passionate followers at overflowing rallies translates into election day votes.

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VaughnIAM  Aug 1, 2016 • 12:05:01am

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

Since Nina has already shot her career in the ass she might as well go ahead and kill it off completely.


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