The Bob & Chez Show: The Evel Knievel of Racism

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob & Chez Show:

The Evel Knievel of Racism: Where Do We Begin; The Trump Meltdown Continues; Trump Threatens to Hit DNC Members; Trump and Surrogates Attack Parents of Dead Soldiers; Trump Supporters Boo Air Force Mom; Trump Doesn’t Know Russia Invaded Ukraine; Fareed Zakaria Drops a Bomb on Trump; Trump Says the Election is Rigged; GOP Selling Out Its Patriotism to Prop Up Trump; A Horrifying Peek Inside the Trump Bubble; and more.

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234 comments
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 3, 2016 • 2:44:52pm

Hillary in Colorado now:

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Brian J.  Aug 3, 2016 • 2:48:46pm

I think this is closer to the Republican candidate’s level of skill than Evel Knievel:

Springfield Gorge

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2016 • 2:49:23pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hillary in Colorado now:

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It is so easy to yank Trump’s chain. He is so darned predictable. It’s like candy from a baby.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2016 • 2:51:19pm

I’m a little skeptical about this report that Donald Trump asked an adviser, “Why can’t we use nuclear weapons?”

Not because it’s difficult to believe Trump would say something like this, but because the report comes from Joe Scarborough, who I don’t trust to give me the time of day.

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KGxvi  Aug 3, 2016 • 2:56:33pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

I’m a little skeptical about this report that Donald Trump asked an adviser, “Why can’t we use nuclear weapons?”

Not because it’s difficult to believe Trump would say something like this, but because the report comes from Joe Scarborough, who I don’t trust to give me the time of day.

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The flip side though, is why would Scarborough “report” that? Hasn’t he been effectively pro-Trump up until now?

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Scottishdragon  Aug 3, 2016 • 2:56:46pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

I’m a little skeptical about this report that Donald Trump asked an adviser, “Why can’t we use nuclear weapons?”

Not because it’s difficult to believe Trump would say something like this, but because the report comes from Joe Scarborough, who I don’t trust to give me the time of day.

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Trump said just about the same thing in an interview with Chris Matthews a couple of months ago.

We have to be careful about confirmation bias of course. At the same time, Trump has already confirmed he favors a first use policy for nukes in tactical warfare against targets who do not possess WMD.

I think Scarborough told the truth on this.

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Scottishdragon  Aug 3, 2016 • 2:57:48pm

re: #5 KGxvi

The flip side though, is why would Scarborough “report” that? Hasn’t he been effectively pro-Trump up until now?

Scarborough jumped off the Trump train a couple of months ago when it became obvious that there was never going to be a “pivot” towards being an actual politician.

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jaunte  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:00:08pm
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blueraven  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:00:43pm

Chuck Todd just stepped on Fox News poll by announcing Hillary is up 10 over Trump in head to head and up 9 including Johnson/Stein

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CleverToad  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:00:55pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hillary in Colorado now:

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Waiting to hear if the spouse got into that rally. Will give you a second hand report if he did. Really wanted to go myself, but Mom’s not doing well, I couldn’t leave her for that long.

I’ll be interested to hear if anything is said about my particular issue, the plans to help family caregivers. It’s a huge concern for the Boomers now and will be for their kids for a couple of decades to come. I don’t know if I’ve heard any other candidate even talk about it.

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Scottishdragon  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:01:12pm
Five times during a sit-down interview with The Washington Post Tuesday, Donald Trump suddenly interrupted the conversation to talk about whatever was playing on TV at the moment.

As Philip Rucker and the GOP candidate sat down for an interview at Trump National Golf Club, a television tuned to Fox News was playing in background. Trump evidently watched it closely for the entire 50-minute interview, commentating on Fox’s programming with regularity even when it meant derailing the topic at hand:

mediaite.com

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allegro  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:01:13pm

re: #7 Scottishdragon

Scarborough jumped off the Trump train a couple of months ago when it became obvious that there was never going to be a “pivot” towards being an actual politician.

I suspect it’s when he realized that Trump is going to be annihilated in Nov and Joe don’t wanna be on day loser train.

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Brian J.  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:01:22pm

Faux Snooze reports that their glorious candidate has raced to a minus 10 point lead!

foxnews.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:01:54pm
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Testy Toad T  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:02:02pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

I’m a little skeptical about this report that Donald Trump asked an adviser, “Why can’t we use nuclear weapons?”

Not because it’s difficult to believe Trump would say something like this, but because the report comes from Joe Scarborough, who I don’t trust to give me the time of day.

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On the other hand, the opposite makes even less sense. What about Donald Trump makes us think he has an intuitive, nuanced understanding of why we have terrifically powerful weapons which we agree, even with our enemies, must never be used?

I frankly never thought about it, but I would be surprised if Trump could cogently answer the question “why don’t we just nuke ISIS”.

It also dovetails so nicely with his “We’ll defeat ISIS so fast your head will spin” rhetoric, his I ALONE CAN craziness, his “we make terrible deals” craziness. He absolutely would nuke Fallujah if left to his own devices! I have zero doubt of this.

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Kaessa  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:02:24pm
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Brian J.  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:03:24pm

re: #15 Testy Toad T

On the other hand, the opposite makes even less sense. What about Donald Trump makes us think he has an intuitive, nuanced understanding of why we have terrifically powerful weapons which we agree, even with our enemies, must never be used?

I frankly never thought about it, but I would be surprised if Trump could cogently answer the question “why don’t we just nuke ISIS”.

It also dovetails so nicely with his “We’ll defeat ISIS so fast your head will spin” rhetoric, his I ALONE CAN craziness, his “we make terrible deals” craziness. He absolutely would nuke Fallujah if left to his own devices! I have zero doubt of this.

Of course, this isn’t just his problem. Remember Ted Cruz wanting to make the sand glow?

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Scottishdragon  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:05:00pm

re: #8 jaunte

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They better get some sort of security. The Walid Shoebat meme attacking them has become an article of faith in the fever swamps and this will be used against them forever.

I don’t think Mr Khan knew what would happen when the howler monkeys at Breitbart and the altright newsgroups started in on them.

The mob has been roused in this country.

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Testy Toad T  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:05:02pm

re: #17 Brian J.

Of course, this isn’t just his problem. Remember Ted Cruz wanting to make the sand glow?

There’s a difference between being contemptible enough to give your rubes a sound bite and being dumb enough to actually do it. Tens of thousands of lives worth of difference, best-case.

I ALONE, indeed.

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Danack  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:05:13pm

Serious question, if Trump either withdraws or just otherwise becomes incapable of campaigning, is there any reason why the Republican party can’t just abandon the Presidential race?

At this point they’d almost certainly be doing better in both Congressional and Senate races if Trump wasn’t running, and better than if he was ‘replaced’ somehow, which would cause Trump’s supporters to start believing in a Dolchstoßlegende scenario.

Just giving up on the Presidency for this election seems to be a least worst option for Republicans now.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:06:10pm

re: #5 KGxvi

The flip side though, is why would Scarborough “report” that? Hasn’t he been effectively pro-Trump up until now?

Not today. He was also pushing the theory that Trump is a Clinton mole out to destroy the GOP.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:06:11pm
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piratedan  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:07:31pm

re: #21 Big Beautiful Door

well, if so, then its fucking brilliant because the GOP is rending itself apart. Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of power hungry sociopaths.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:07:44pm

re: #16 Kaessa

Seriously, this is starting to terrify me.


…
5:01 PM - 3 Aug 2016

They have always been among us. Now you know it. That’s reassuring.

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jaunte  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:07:47pm

re: #16 Kaessa

One bright spot:

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allegro  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:07:55pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

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Funny. I’ve been watching a woman who is having the time of her life. She and her team are having a blast.

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Skip Intro  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:08:50pm

I didn’t think this image could be anymore disturbing, but ….

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:09:05pm

re: #25 jaunte

Why are Socialist, Democratic Fire Fighters keeping supporters out of Trump rallies?! This whole thing is rigged, I tell ya!!

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Skip Intro  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:10:05pm

re: #25 jaunte

Trump supporters are afraid they’ll be assaulted by crying babies.

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:12:35pm

I see some in the previous thread were wondering about The Trump Intervention™ and why it doesn’t seem to have taken which was extremely evident today.

There has been no intervention yet. The interventionists have not assemble yet and been able to rope their animal…err…candidate down to intervene. I think they are trying to get him sometime in the next couple days, maybe over the weekend.

Some seem to think the family may be behind some of the intervention. The Bloomberg goofs on MSNBC just said Both Donny Jr and Eric Trump jumped on a plane heading to the Yukon for a hunting trip.

So, if the family is involved they are either trying to get out of town to avoid the oncoming ego explosion or they do not see any need and are not a part of the whole thinking.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:13:53pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

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I dunno how he does it. That sort of derangement isn’t healthy.

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allegro  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:14:35pm

Rep Kinzinger, R-Il is tearing Trump to shreds on CNN. Says he’s an American before a Republican. Good.

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Skip Intro  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:15:04pm

re: #30 ObserverArt

Those two boys sure do work hard for their money.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:15:41pm

re: #18 Scottishdragon

They better get some sort of security. The Walid Shoebat meme attacking them has become an article of faith in the fever swamps and this will be used against them forever.

I don’t think Mr Khan knew what would happen when the howler monkeys at Breitbart and the altright newsgroups started in on them.

The mob has been roused in this country.

He knew where the rhetoric was headed. That’s why he spoke out so strongly.

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Skip Intro  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:15:51pm

re: #32 allegro

Rep Kinzinger, R-Il is tearing Trump to shreds on CNN. Says he’s an American before a Republican. Good.

That’s refreshing. Pence never admitted to being an American.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:15:54pm

re: #32 allegro

Rep Kinzinger, R-Il is tearing Trump to shreds on CNN. Says he’s an American before a Republican. Good.

He’s been pretty consistently anti Trump but this is still refreshing.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:16:07pm

re: #33 Skip Intro

Those two boys sure do work hard for their money.

Photo with Grizzly tail, or it didn’t happen.

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jaunte  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:16:11pm
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majii  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:16:26pm

re: #17 Brian J.

“Of course, this isn’t just his problem. Remember Ted Cruz wanting to make the sand glow?”

Cruz also proposed what he called “carpet bombing” and received quite a bit of ridicule from foreign policy experts.

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Scottishdragon  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:17:32pm

re: #30 ObserverArt

I see some in the previous thread were wondering about The Trump InterventionTM and why it doesn’t seem to have taken which was extremely evident today.

There has been no intervention yet. The interventionists have not assemble yet and been able to rope their animal…err…candidate down to intervene. I think they are trying to get him sometime in the next couple days, maybe over the weekend.

Some seem to think the family may be behind some of the intervention. The Bloomberg goofs on MSNBC just said Both Donny Jr and Eric Trump jumped on a plane heading to the Yukon for a hunting trip.

So, if the family is involved they are either trying to get out of town to avoid the oncoming ego explosion or they do not see any need and are not a part of with the whole thinking.

It isn’t going to happen. The RNC has no power or leverage over the candidate now that the convention is over and un-endorsing him gives him even more power to run as a loose cannon and campaign against GOP down ticket candidates.

This is like that line from the film noir classic Double Indemnity:

And it’s not like taking a trolley ride together where they can get off at different stops. They’re stuck with each other and they got to ride all the way to the end of the line and it’s a one-way trip and the last stop is the cemetery.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:18:31pm

It’s pretty much too late to force Trump out from what I can see.

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jaunte  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:19:01pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:19:17pm

Nominating him was the point of no return. No Trump alternative there.

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:19:35pm

re: #26 allegro

Funny. I’ve been watching a woman who is having the time of her life. She and her team are having a blast.

Seemed to be the case Sunday here in Columbus. They looked very relaxed and having a good time riding the bus, getting comfortable with each other and addressing an attentive crowd.

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Skip Intro  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:19:55pm

re: #41 HappyWarrior

It’s pretty much too late to force Trump out from what I can see.

This is actually hilarious. Wasn’t it just a week or so ago that the same people were wondering what they’d do if Trump just quit?

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Lidane  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:20:02pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:20:03pm

re: #28 Patricia Kayden

Why are Socialist, Democratic Fire Fighters keeping supporters out of Trump rallies?! This whole thing is rigged, I tell ya!!

You’d think Trump would know better: Tyrants since Nero have learned not to mess with fire safety.
(A. Hitler’s Reichstag thing doesn’t count, since the fire was a feature rather than a bug to him.)

Hell, even LUBBOCKITES (renowned for their fencepost debates) will not argue with fire marshals.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:20:26pm

re: #42 jaunte

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They’re right, reality stars are actually entertaining. Trump is a dime store fascist for right wing babies too chicken to admit they’re racists.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:21:03pm

re: #32 allegro

Rep Kinzinger, R-Il is tearing Trump to shreds on CNN. Says he’s an American before a Republican. Good.

Watching. Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:22:24pm

re: #45 Skip Intro

This is actually hilarious. Wasn’t it just a week or so ago that the same people were wondering what they’d do if Trump just quit?

Yes. This is such a strange election,

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:23:20pm

re: #32 allegro

Rep Kinzinger, R-Il is tearing Trump to shreds on CNN. Says he’s an American before a Republican. Good.

Since I don’t recognize the name I’ll give benefit of the doubt.

That said, anyone know his record on rhetoric? If he says dems are the devil, worst ever, BENGHAZI a la EMAIL, I’m not interested in saying thanks for stating what should not have to be stated. Ever.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:23:38pm

hillary leads by 10 in new fox poll

foxnews.com

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EPR-radar  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:24:07pm

re: #32 allegro

Rep Kinzinger, R-Il is tearing Trump to shreds on CNN. Says he’s an American before a Republican. Good.

That’s a good start, but incomplete until Kinzinger leaves the Republicans for the duration of their collective irrationality.

A rational person in the Republican party is primarily an enabler of GOP bad craziness.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:24:16pm

The question I have is will the GOP learn something here and I’m just not seeing it. I expect some people to de register as R’s making the R electorate even more for someone like Trump.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:24:41pm

re: #47 Shiplord Kirel

You’d think Trump would know better: Tyrants since Nero have learned not to mess with fire safety.
(A. Hitler’s Reichstag thing doesn’t count, since the fire was a feature rather than a bug to him.)

Hell, even LUBBOCKITES (renowned for their fencepost debates) will not argue with fire marshals.

Wife has a story about her German landlord in the 1950s (too long for here). His wife told her of the day in the 30s when the husband’s fire brigade was prevented from putting out the synagogue.

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Lidane  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:24:45pm

LOL:

I adore the belief that the Republican party was just supposed to waltz into the White House this year. That’s cute.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:25:10pm

re: #52 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

hillary leads by 10 in new fox poll

foxnews.com

Here’s why: majorities think Clinton is nevertheless qualified to be president, and has the temperament and knowledge to serve effectively. It’s the opposite for Trump: over half feel he is not qualified, and lacks the temperament or knowledge to lead the country. And his 62 percent dishonesty rating tops hers.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:25:15pm

Just received this email from an admirer in Missouri, with the subject line “Where Is Your Story About 400M in Secret Cash To Iran?”

Face it. Democrat propagandists like you are worse than Nazis.

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:25:51pm

re: #37 Decatur Deb

Photo with Grizzly tail, or it didn’t happen.

I don’t know…I’d like a reversal. A photo of a Grizzly with a Trump son arm or leg.

Hey, it’s only fair that the Grizzly bears get a shot at righting the Elephant wrong. Nature can be cruel.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:25:58pm

re: #52 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

hillary leads by 10 in new fox poll

foxnews.com

That’s good though Trump beating Clinton with vets astounds me.

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majii  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:26:17pm

re: #42 jaunte

Trump wasn’t as opposed to the media when he was running in the GOP primary as he is now in the GE. All of a sudden since some in the media are actually reporting what he’s saying/doing, he and his supporters are very angry. He’s angry about HRC’s campaign ads and is claiming that although they contain snippets of him saying things in his own voice/words, they’re biased. How is it biased to reveal in a campaign ad the things someone says/does using his/her own words/actions? It’s not, but Trump isn’t accustomed to having those he punches punch back harder.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:26:32pm

re: #59 ObserverArt

I don’t know…I’d like a reversal. A photo of a Grizzly with a Trump son arm or leg.

Hey, it’s only fair that the Grizzly bears get a shot at righting the Elephant wrong. Nature can be cruel.

Sometimes the matador has a bad day.

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thedopefishlives  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:27:21pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

Just received this email from an admirer in Missouri, with the subject line “Where Is Your Story About 400M in Secret Cash To Iran?”

Nominated for rotating title: LGF: Worse than Nazis.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:27:41pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

Just received this email from an admirer in Missouri, with the subject line “Where Is Your Story About 400M in Secret Cash To Iran?”

Yes, you’re worse than the murderers of 12 million people, Charles.//

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Lidane  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:27:46pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

The Iran money was all over the news in January. It’s like these idiots don’t read the news or understand the world around them.

Oh. Wait.

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Brian J.  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:28:23pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

That’s good though Trump beating Clinton with vets astounds me.

We are talking about a mostly older, mostly male, disproportionately white (compared to the adult population) subgroup, a lot of whom have bad experiences with the VA or other government agencies.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:28:41pm

re: #63 thedopefishlives

Nominated for rotating title: LGF: Worse than Nazis, and with twice the schadenfreude.

FTFY

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:28:48pm

re: #32 allegro

Rep Kinzinger, R-Il is tearing Trump to shreds on CNN. Says he’s an American before a Republican. Good.

Great. Another Republican politician non-endorsing Trump. More please!

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:29:31pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

That’s good though Trump beating Clinton with vets astounds me.

Was there ever a time when Vets/Military members voted for Democrats over Republicans? Not in my lifetime, imho.

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Jack Burton  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:29:48pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

Just received this email from an admirer in Missouri, with the subject line “Where Is Your Story About 400M in Secret Cash To Iran?”

World of Wingnuts: “Obama Administration Secretly gives 400 Million to Iran”

Reality: “Obama Administration pays back money stolen from Iran by Carter Administration and negotiates pennies on the dollar interest.”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:29:54pm

at this point it’s hard to imagine the trump finishing out the month

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Brian J.  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:29:59pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

Just received this email from an admirer in Missouri, with the subject line “Where Is Your Story About 400M in Secret Cash To Iran?”

Yeah, everyone knows that you tell the whole world in advance where you’re assembling $400 million in cold, hard, untraceable cash! ///

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:30:20pm

re: #66 Brian J.

We are talking about a mostly older, mostly male, disproportionately white (compared to the adult population) subgroup, a lot of whom have bad experiences with the VA or other government agencies.

I know, I guess I naively thought Trump’s attacks on the Khans and military would bother them.

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thedopefishlives  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:30:21pm

re: #69 Patricia Kayden

Was there ever a time when Vets/Military members voted for Democrats over Republicans? Not in my lifetime, imho.

Yeah, the norm as far as I can remember has been that veterans support the Republicans. Although I find it interesting that my wingnut veteran uncle despises Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:30:46pm

re: #69 Patricia Kayden

Was there ever a time when Vets/Military members voted for Democrats over Republicans? Not in my lifetime, imho.

I have no idea.

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Scottishdragon  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:30:59pm

So we are Jewish friendly, pro peace, anti torture Democratic Nazis who love kitteh pictures.

So who gets to be Goebbels?
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majii  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:32:26pm

re: #53 EPR-radar

“That’s a good start, but incomplete until Kinzinger leaves the Republicans for the duration of their collective irrationality.”

I think they’ll have to be forced out by their own party members in a way similar to what happened to Brownback’s buddies in Kansas yesterday. Tim Huelskamp lost, so he’s blaming the liberal media, organizations from other states, the GOP Establishment, and anyone else he can think of. I’m just surprised he didn’t mention President Obama. He’s butthurt, real butthurt that he won’t be able to return to Congress in 2017 where he’d be paid more money than most Americans to do nothing but obstruct, obstruct, and obstruct some more.

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Brian J.  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:32:32pm

re: #70 Jack Burton

World of Wingnuts: “Obama Administration Secretly gives 400 Million to Iran”

Reality: “Obama Administration pays back money stolen from Iran by Carter Administration and negotiates pennies on the dollar interest.”

Could have been a lot worse. Imagine paying 37 years’ worth of interest at 1979 rates. Loan sharks and credit card companies don’t do that anymore. Well, not loan sharks.

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allegro  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:33:30pm

I just realized that every time I see Trump on teevee my face pinches into the same expression as when I’m cleaning up doggie diarrhea. (Unfortunately having to do a lot of that lately with my 16+ year old spaniel.)

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Scottishdragon  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:33:57pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

That’s good though Trump beating Clinton with vets astounds me.

The vets have been fed a diet of Clinton hates the military and her husband Bill hates you too and by the way Jane Fonda sucked his cock on the grave of a Vietnam veteran!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for 25 years.

You are not going to see the majority of the military going for a Clinton under any circumstance.

If you ask flag rank officers however…you will get a very different opinion.

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:34:07pm

re: #65 Lidane

The Iran money was all over the news in January. It’s like these idiots don’t read the news or understand the world around them.

Oh. Wait.

Savannag Guthrie in NBC Nightly News is going to cover this tonight. The lead in sounded all hand-wringy. We’ll see.

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:37:39pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

Just received this email from an admirer in Missouri, with the subject line “Where Is Your Story About 400M in Secret Cash To Iran?”

Yes Charles, why aren’t you obsessing about an 8 month old story that wasn’t all that explosive when it was first announced by the President on live TV and disappeared off the radar so fast that the GOP had no time to even get indignant about it?

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Lidane  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:37:47pm

re: #71 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

at this point it’s hard to imagine the trump finishing out the month

Aren’t the Republicans pretty much stuck with Trump? The convention is over and states have deadlines. Ballots have to be printed. Do they even have the option of dropping him now?

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Brian J.  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:37:59pm

For those who care or are morbidly fascinated by statistics, the Fox poll increased Hillary’s chance of victory at 538 (polls only) by 2.8%, to 73.2%. The Now-Cast is up by about as much, to 88.6%.

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:38:12pm

re: #80 Scottishdragon

If you ask flag rank officers however…you will get a very different opinion.

What is this?

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Lidane  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:39:45pm
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sagehen  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:39:57pm

re: #70 Jack Burton

World of Wingnuts: “Obama Administration Secretly gives 400 Million to Iran”

Reality: “Obama Administration pays back money stolen from Iran by Carter Administration and negotiates pennies on the dollar interest.”

Was it even cash? Not just bank transfers?

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allegro  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:40:28pm

re: #81 MsJ

Savannag Guthrie in NBC Nightly News is going to cover this tonight. The lead in sounded all hand-wringy. We’ll see.

Thanks! On now

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calochortus  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:41:17pm

re: #87 sagehen

Was it even cash? Not just bank transfers?

I think it was actual banknotes.

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:41:41pm

re: #87 sagehen

Was it even cash? Not just bank transfers?

Apparently it was cash in the form of various foreign currencies, as federal law bars bank transactions between the US and Iran.

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:42:14pm

Yup. Hand-wringing. With Andrea Mitchell narrating. “Some people say…” “Does this damage US credibility?” “Will ISIS expect money?” “Clinton!”

Our fucking media.

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EPR-radar  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:42:18pm

re: #80 Scottishdragon

The vets have been fed a diet of Clinton hates the military and her husband Bill hates you too and by the way Jane Fonda sucked his cock on the grave of a Vietnam veteran!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for 25 years.

You are not going to see the majority of the military going for a Clinton under any circumstance.

If you ask flag rank officers however…you will get a very different opinion.

I imagine many senior US active duty military leaders are starting to think long and hard about what their oaths would mean under Trump as POTUS.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:42:37pm

re: #80 Scottishdragon

The vets have been fed a diet of Clinton hates the military and her husband Bill hates you too and by the way Jane Fonda sucked his cock on the grave of a Vietnam veteran!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for 25 years.

You are not going to see the majority of the military going for a Clinton under any circumstance.

If you ask flag rank officers however…you will get a very different opinion.

re: #85 MsJ

What is this?

It’s complex. I’ve seen a forgotten study that shows the political leanings of personnel vary with rank (low=more D) and time in service (long=more R). That prevailed in enlisted and officers as separate sets (senior sergeants more R than junior officers).
In other words soldiers are like their civilian cohort.

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Scottishdragon  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:42:41pm

re: #85 MsJ

What is this?

You start hearing things like “terrified”, “madman”, “unfit to be Commander in Chief”, and increasingly “would create a constitutional crisis with the military”

I heard a couple of months ago that several flag rank officers indicated they would resign their commissions rather than serve under him and have to participate in unconstitutional actions that he said he would order.

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Brian J.  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:43:40pm

re: #83 Lidane

Aren’t the Republicans pretty much stuck with Trump? The convention is over and states have deadlines. Ballots have to be printed. Do they even have the option of dropping him now?

This appears to be the relevant section of Louisiana law, as an example.

E. If the nominees for the offices of president and vice president nominated by a national convention of a recognized political party, together with a slate of candidates for the offices of presidential electors to support such nominees, are not properly certified to the secretary of state by the state central committee of that party prior to 4:30 p.m. on the third Tuesday in August of each year in which a presidential election is to be held, the national chairman of the political party, after notifying the chairman of the state central committee of that political party, shall certify a slate of electors to support such nominees by 4:30 p.m. on the first Friday following the third Tuesday in August. Such certificate filed with the secretary of state shall be accompanied by the notarized affidavit of each candidate for elector signifying that the certificate constitutes his acceptance of the nomination.

So it looks like Reince and his friends have until August 19 to certify the slate of electors and any replacement. (It’s actually probably too late already, as Trump is already officially listed on our ballot. Clinton, oddly, is not. Only the GOP and Socialist Workers are officially listed right now.)

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:45:12pm

re: #93 Decatur Deb

It’s complex. I’ve seen a forgotten study that shows the political leanings of personnel vary with rank (low=more D) and time in service (long=more R). That prevailed in enlisted and officers as separate sets (senior sergeants more R than junior officers).
In other words soldiers are like their civilian cohort.

Thanks. What’s a flag-rank officer? Someone not an “enlisted” person? Like went to West Point, Annapolis, War College, what have you?

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sagehen  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:45:42pm

re: #74 thedopefishlives

Yeah, the norm as far as I can remember has been that veterans support the Republicans. Although I find it interesting that my wingnut veteran uncle despises Trump.

Are you young?

The WWII draft took every able-bodied man 18-34. All of them. Even the oldest were still voting into the 1970’s. The Korea and Vietnam drafts didn’t take as many, but they took disproportionately from poor and minority demographics.

It’s only since eliminating the draft (1975) that the military has been majority conservatives.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:46:00pm

Fantastic album cover art for the new Billy Talent record.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:46:20pm

re: #96 MsJ

Thanks. What’s a flag-rank officer? Someone not an “enlisted” person? Like went to West Point, Annapolis, War College, what have you?

“Flag” is General Officer/Admirals depending on the service. Not all are from the service academies.

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calochortus  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:46:41pm

re: #96 MsJ

Thanks. What’s a flag-rank officer? Someone not an “enlisted” person? Like went to West Point, Annapolis, War College, what have you?

Higher officers, originally ones entitled to their own flag or some such

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:46:53pm

re: #99 Decatur Deb

“Flag” is General Officer/Admirals depending on the service.

Oh, way up theres. Thanks!!

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:47:11pm

re: #83 Lidane

Aren’t the Republicans pretty much stuck with Trump? The convention is over and states have deadlines. Ballots have to be printed. Do they even have the option of dropping him now?

uncharted territory

since he legally won the primaries and was nominated, he can’t be fired, only convinced to resign

but if he becomes so hot that republican officeholders are burning their hands, they’ll have to come up with some way of cutting themselves loose from him

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:48:03pm

re: #56 Lidane

LOL:

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I adore the belief that the Republican party was just supposed to waltz into the White House this year. That’s cute.

I really wonder if Reince and the party boys are capable of reading the overall polling that has been going on for over a year and having an overall feeling of reality.

That would be Obama ratings for doing the job going up to 56% and the GOP dominated Congress somewhere in the 10% approval and 71% disapproval range.

They have been beaten in all their stupid investigations, gotten plenty of hell for their obstruction and showed they have terrible candidates when a loser like Trump pummeled 16 of their “best” in the primaries.

Those fools should not be assured of anything, they have zero reason to be confident of anything.

Everyone thinks Trump is the problem, the nutty one. The whole damn party is crazy.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:48:17pm

re: #52 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

hillary leads by 10 in new fox poll

foxnews.com

Some brutal numbers in there for Trump. Sad!

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Scottishdragon  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:49:42pm

re: #96 MsJ

Thanks. What’s a flag-rank officer? Someone not an “enlisted” person? Like went to West Point, Annapolis, War College, what have you?

Flag rank means a general or admiral. They actually have a flag with how many stars in rank they are at.

I have been to a dinner where a 2 star general was attending and a blue flag with two stars was in the dining room. You will also see that on any vehicle (like a car) or ship the officer is on. The commanding admiral of a flotilla will literally “have his flag” on the flagship and if he changes to another ship because of damage or some such, he will raise his flag on the new vessel.

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thedopefishlives  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:49:45pm

re: #97 sagehen

Are you young?

The WWII draft took every able-bodied man 18-34. All of them. Even the oldest were still voting into the 1970’s. The Korea and Vietnam drafts didn’t take as many, but they took disproportionately from poor and minority demographics.

It’s only since eliminating the draft (1975) that the military has been majority conservatives.

Of course I’m young. One of the younger members in our little family.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:50:09pm

re: #101 MsJ

Oh, way up theres. Thanks!!

The number of active generals, etc, is limited by law. The Army usually has about 250 of them. That means a lot more are in a mostly ‘retired’ status.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:50:46pm

Yes, please

Instagram

Stop, drop, and {lobster} roll! 🚨 @smackshackchi ⚓️

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peguyjaures  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:52:01pm

Wow. Just wow. 538’s NowCast is evolving almost by the minute. Not at 88.6% vs 11.3%.
Like every time Trump open his mouth, he drops further.

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Scottishdragon  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:52:50pm

re: #107 Decatur Deb

The number of active generals, etc, is limited by law. The Army usually has about 250 of them. That means a lot more are in a mostly ‘retired’ status.

I remember when our last 5 star general died. Omar Bradley. His last public appearance was Reagan’s inauguration in 1981. I saw him on tv while it was broadcasting live.

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EPR-radar  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:53:03pm

re: #107 Decatur Deb

I have to think that senior military officers, even the wingnuts among them, will be scared shitless of the thought of someone like Trump as commander in chief.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:53:03pm

re: #69 Patricia Kayden

Was there ever a time when Vets/Military members voted for Democrats over Republicans? Not in my lifetime, imho.

Maybe in 1854, but I haven’t seen the exit polling.

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calochortus  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:53:13pm

re: #109 peguyjaures

Wow. Just wow. 538’s NowCast is evolving almost by the minute. Not at 88.6% vs 11.3%.
Like every time Trump open his mouth, he drops further.

Current betting numbers.

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TK-421  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:53:53pm

Bella36
4:32 PM CDT
Republicans don’t care if Donald Trump is insane.

They care that they can’t control his insanity.

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wrenchwench  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:54:14pm

re: #106 thedopefishlives

Of course I’m young. One of the younger members in our little family.

Our widdle Dopey…[scritches him under his chin…]

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:54:51pm

re: #109 peguyjaures

Wow. Just wow. 538’s NowCast is evolving almost by the minute. Not at 88.6% vs 11.3%.
Like every time Trump open his mouth, he drops further.

Whoa. Boehner’s going to have really pace himself on “fuck you arsonists” Merlot these days.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:55:01pm

re: #110 Scottishdragon

I remember when our last 5 star general died. Omar Bradley. His last public appearance was Reagan’s inauguration in 1981. I saw him on tv while it was broadcasting live.

Bradley was one of my grandpa’s favorites. A soldier’s soldier. Not fond of Patton or MacArthur, he always told me he appreciated Truman firing Dougie and thinks it saved his and other lives.

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thedopefishlives  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:55:06pm

re: #115 wrenchwench

Our widdle Dopey…[scritches him under his chin…]

Swim… swim… HUNGRY…

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:55:23pm

re: #114 TK-421

Bella36
4:32 PM CDT
Republicans don’t care if Donald Trump is insane.

They care that they can’t control his insanity.

That is correct.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:55:48pm

re: #112 Big Beautiful Door

Maybe in 1854, but I haven’t seen the exit polling.

Good one, but I’d bet all through the 40s. Then they would go for Eisenhower, one of their own.

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CleverToad  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:56:34pm

re: #108 Dr. Matt

Yes, please

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Oh, that’s a mean thing to post! Now I want lobster.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:57:06pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:57:10pm

re: #120 Decatur Deb

Good one, but I’d bet all through the 40s. Then they would go for Eisenhower, one of their own.

Dems did champion GI Bill.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:57:37pm

re: #122 The Vicious Babushka

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I wonder how many abortions Trump has paid for.

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Scottishdragon  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:57:41pm

re: #117 HappyWarrior

Bradley was one of my grandpa’s favorites. A soldier’s soldier. Not fond of Patton or MacArthur, he always told me he appreciated Truman firing Dougie and thinks it saved his and other lives.

General Bradley was one of those people that everybody seemed to just like.

Hell, the Germans he was fighting against probably thought he was a swell guy. I can never find anyone who had a cross word about him.

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Scottishdragon  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:58:33pm

re: #122 The Vicious Babushka

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I can just about bet my sister will be there right now with my nieces.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:59:06pm

re: #125 Scottishdragon

General Bradley was one of those people that everybody seemed to just like.

Hell, the Germans he was fighting against probably thought he was a swell guy. I can never find anyone who had a cross word about him.

Yeah I’ve never seen a bad word said about him. Loved Karl Malden’s portrayal in Patton, while a lot of other people were enthralled by Patton, I was by Brad.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:59:46pm

re: #123 HappyWarrior

Dems did champion GI Bill.

And a Republican administration dragooned the Bonus March.

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:59:50pm

re: #56 Lidane

LOL:

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I adore the belief that the Republican party was just supposed to waltz into the White House this year. That’s cute.

Well, a lot of electoral history was weighed in favor of them winning back the White House this go around, particularly that it’s been decades since a two-term Democrat was succeeded by a fellow Democrat. They had better than even odds of winning the presidency back. But that assumed that thinks kept in line with historical trends.

So it’s fair to say that the GOP totally pissed away what could have been a very winnable election on the assumption that they could run Hitler and still win 270 EC votes.

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Scottishdragon  Aug 3, 2016 • 3:59:59pm

re: #124 HappyWarrior

I wonder how many abortions Trump has paid for.

Who can tell? After all, the swinging 70’s were his “personal Vietnam” and he felt like “a very brave soldier” for screwing every woman he could chase down without getting the clap.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:00:27pm

re: #128 Decatur Deb

And a Republican administration dragooned the Bonus March.

Yep led by the aforementioned Dougie Mac.

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thedopefishlives  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:00:45pm

re: #129 Targetpractice

They thought they could run Hitler and still win, so that’s exactly what they did.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:01:40pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

Yep led by the aforementioned Dougie Mac.

Eisenhower was his aide-de-camp. Doesn’t mean he liked him. (Probably reason enough to hate him.)

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calochortus  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:05:02pm

re: #130 Scottishdragon

Who can tell? After all, the swinging 70’s were his “personal Vietnam” and he felt like “a very brave soldier” for screwing every woman he could chase down without getting the clap.

Maybe he got syphilis instead and it’s finally made it to his brain?
(OK, that was mean of me. Bad Calochortus. Bad!)

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:05:28pm

re: #133 Decatur Deb

Eisenhower was his aide-de-camp. Doesn’t mean he liked him. (Probably reason enough to hate him.)

Think Patton was on that staff too. I like Ike historically but prolly would have voted Stevenson given Ike was publicly quiet about Tailgunner Joe and he had that Nixon guy as VP.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:05:50pm

re: #133 Decatur Deb

Eisenhower was his aide-de-camp. Doesn’t mean he liked him. (Probably reason enough to hate him.)

didnt eisenhower say he’d “studied drama” under macarthur?

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piratedan  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:05:50pm

re: #122 The Vicious Babushka

and as soon as that baby is born, it better stfu………….. //// because you’re on your own now kid.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:06:11pm

re: #134 calochortus

Maybe he got syphilis instead and it’s finally made it to his brain?
(OK, that was mean of me. Bad Calochortus. Bad!)

I’d be lying if I told you that thought hadn’t crossed my mind.

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EPR-radar  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:06:31pm

re: #132 thedopefishlives

They thought they could run Hitler and still win, so that’s exactly what they did.

Not really. The GOP establishment is trying to make do with Trump as the nominee, but he wasn’t even close to being their first choice.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:06:42pm

re: #136 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

didnt eisenhower say he’d “studied drama” under macarthur?

He should have said it.

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CleverToad  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:07:03pm

Initial report from the Colorado Clinton rally today — hubby was in the second overflow room, and there were still a lot of very hot people outside who couldn’t make it in at all. He had to park about half a mile away. They were handing out water. Hillary and Hick apparently walked into the second overflow in the middle of a joke Hick was telling — he circled back later to re-tell it to the room because he said otherwise there would have been folks hanging around the Governor’s mansion demanding to hear it.

More later when the adventurer gets home. He’s currently still in the north end of town, wrapping himself around a Philly cheese steak before he tackles the southbound traffic

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:07:31pm

re: #108 Dr. Matt

Next time I go home I am going there. Day-um. That looks fantastic.

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thedopefishlives  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:08:50pm

re: #139 EPR-radar

Not really. The GOP establishment is trying to make do with Trump as the nominee, but he wasn’t even close to being their first choice.

The establishment may have problems with it, but make no mistake about it: Trump won the Republican party. He is the one the people chose.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:12:20pm

re: #143 thedopefishlives

The establishment may have problems with it, but make no mistake about it: Trump won the Republican party. He is the one the people chose.

He is their word made flesh.

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calochortus  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:14:04pm

re: #141 CleverToad

But I think we all know that hardly anyone goes to Clinton rallies. I read it on all the wingnut blogs.

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:14:18pm

re: #134 calochortus

Maybe he got syphilis instead and it’s finally made it to his brain?
(OK, that was mean of me. Bad Calochortus. Bad!)

I dunno. Listen to him. Especially the “Trump vs Trump” video (in a tweet) downstairs. He used to sound sane. A braggart but sane. Now, not at all.

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Skip Intro  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:17:28pm

re: #145 calochortus

But I think we all know that hardly anyone goes to Clinton rallies. I read it on all the wingnut blogs.

That’s right. They have to take kids out of school and bus them to her rallies to fill the seats. I think I read that at DimJims.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:20:06pm

re: #145 calochortus

But I think we all know that hardly anyone goes to Clinton rallies. I read it on all the wingnut blogs.

Just as you posted this==>

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wrenchwench  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:20:54pm

I learned a new word.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:20:55pm

We are very worried about this right now.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:22:11pm

re: #148 The Vicious Babushka

Just as you posted this==>

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He is going to be despondent when Trump loses.

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thedopefishlives  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:23:40pm

re: #150 The Vicious Babushka

We are very worried about this right now.

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Yeah, I don’t think he realizes just how terrified we are of this exact thing happening.

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blueraven  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:23:44pm

In the new Fox poll Trump only getting 78% of Republican vote, Hillary getting 87 % of Democrats

foxnews.com

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:24:22pm

re: #150 The Vicious Babushka

At least he knows himself. Scary shit indeed.

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EPR-radar  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:25:00pm

re: #143 thedopefishlives

The establishment may have problems with it, but make no mistake about it: Trump won the Republican party. He is the one the people chose.

In somewhat more colorful language, the GOP establishment has been drilling into the bowels of Hell for decades, and a Trump-led revolt of the GOP base is their reward.

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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:25:02pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

He is going to be despondent when Trump loses.

They will blame it on cheating, and on God’s curse for tolerating RINOs like Boehner.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:25:23pm

re: #156 Shiplord Kirel

They will blame it on cheating, and on God’s curse for tolerating RINOs like Boehner.

Of course. Always an excuse ready.

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calochortus  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:25:47pm

re: #148 The Vicious Babushka

Just as you posted this==>

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LOL. Of course the picture of full bleachers certainly shows no one turned out for Clinton.

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calochortus  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:27:01pm

re: #149 wrenchwench

I learned a new word.

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And thank you for providing the link to the definition. I’ve now learned a new word too.

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majii  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:27:38pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

“He is going to be despondent when Trump loses.”

He’ll become part of the “We Wuz Robbed” Crew. After the meme gains support on the right, I expect there to be a renewed push in the states for laws to combat non-existent voter fraud. Trump is already saying that without Voter ID laws in place, some people will vote 10 times. The guy doesn’t seem to understand how voting works and makes me think that he’s not someone who has voted regularly since the age of 18.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:27:42pm

Of course Obama having larger crowds than McCain meant he was a cult.

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wrenchwench  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:29:19pm

re: #159 calochortus

And thank you for providing the link to the definition. I’ve now learned a new word too.

We aim to please. I am pleased that I’m not the only one who was unfamiliar with it.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:29:50pm

re: #160 majii

“He is going to be despondent when Trump loses.”

He’ll become part of the “We Wuz Robbed” Crew. After the meme gains support on the right, I expect there to be a renewed push in the states for laws to combat non-existent voter fraud. Trump is already saying that without Voter ID laws in place, some people will vote 10 times. The guy doesn’t seem to understand how voting works and makes me think that he’s not someone who has voted regularly since the age of 18.

I’m certain of that unfortunately. No one in DJ’s circle is voting for Clinton so it must be fraud.

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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:31:40pm

The GOP establishment is no doubt horrified that xenophobia, racism, and superstition have collectively become the party’s real agenda.
These things were supposed to function only as tools, figleaves if you like, for the real agenda, the continued accretion of wealth and power in the top ranks of the wealthy.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:32:10pm

re: #164 Shiplord Kirel

The GOP establishment is no doubt horrified that xenophobia, racism, and superstition have collectively become the party’s real agenda.
These things were supposed to function only as tools, figleaves if you like, for the real agenda, the continued accretion of wealth and power in the top ranks of the wealthy.

Yes.

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wrenchwench  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:39:22pm
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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:40:49pm

re: #149 wrenchwench

I learned a new word.

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New to me. Now if I can Wife to use “pare” in Scrabble.

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:43:12pm

re: #16 Kaessa

Some of us whites are starting to see what minorities have seen for decades.

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:44:16pm

re: #150 The Vicious Babushka

We are very worried about this right now.

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Whut???

I guess this is his way on tamping down the talk of him going nuke crazy.

Interesting…Tweetie Matthews has a former Minnesota Senator Governor Arne Carlson on who just said he’s voting for Hillary, she is a healer and he said he heard from many Senators who worked with Hillary when she was in the Senate and were impressed with her ability to work with the Republicans and that she is a real political wonk who loves policy more than anything. (Paraphrased)

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:45:23pm

re: #168 Belafon

Some of us whites are starting to see what minorities have seen for decades.

Newports are alive with pleasure?

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:45:49pm

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>

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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:46:11pm

Family values:
Child yells profanity directed at Hillary Clinton during Donald Trump rally

A school-age child at a Donald Trump rally on Tuesday stood up and yelled “Take the bitch down” after the candidate mentioned Hillary Clinton. His mother later defended the child’s right to speak and blamed his language on “Democratic schools.”

Hard to imagine what might have happened if I had done such a thing in front of my mother, even just before she passed 2 years ago.

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allegro  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:46:46pm

re: #168 Belafon

Some of us whites are starting to see what minorities have seen for decades.

Trump/GOP is an enema flushing out all the foul impacted crap into the open.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:46:47pm

re: #169 ObserverArt

Whut???

I guess this is his way on tamping down the talk of him going nuke crazy.

Interesting…Tweetie Matthews has a former Minnesota Senator Governor Arne Carlson on who just said he’s voting for Hillary, she is a healer and he said he heard from many Senators who worked with Hillary when she was in the Senate and were impressed with her ability to work with the Republicans and that she is a real political wonk who loves policy more than anything. (Paraphrased)

He Tweeted that 2 years ago.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:47:01pm

re: #171 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>

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Guess someone never heard of Iran Contra but don’t let Reagan’s reality hurt ya wingnut hacks.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:47:31pm

re: #172 Shiplord Kirel

Family values:
Child yells profanity directed at Hillary Clinton during Donald Trump rally

Hard to imagine what might have happened if I had done such a thing in front of my mother, even just before she passed 2 years ago.

You weren’t raised by the WWE.

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:47:46pm

re: #76 Scottishdragon

So we are Jewish friendly, pro peace, anti torture Democratic Nazis who love kitteh pictures.

So who gets to be Goebbels Gerbils?
///////////////

FTFY

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:49:27pm

re: #171 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>

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Oh that is some fine history from Mr. ConservativeTalker there. Maybe he should shut up and become Mr. AmericanHistoryLearner.

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calochortus  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:50:29pm

re: #172 Shiplord Kirel

Family values:
Child yells profanity directed at Hillary Clinton during Donald Trump rally

Hard to imagine what might have happened if I had done such a thing in front of my mother, even just before she passed 2 years ago.

A kid of that age would know better than to use that language in front of his mother if he thought she’d be upset-even if he did learn it at school.
And he was right. She didn’t care, meaning they use that language at home.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:50:31pm

re: #178 ObserverArt

Oh that is some fine history from Mr. ConservativeTalker there. Maybe he should shut up and become Mr. AmericanHistoryLearner.

And find out that Reagan actually talked with communists? Never

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:50:59pm

That moment when you are sure these fucks have no shame, and are relying on the complete ignorance of their audience

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:52:03pm

re: #174 The Vicious Babushka

He Tweeted that 2 years ago.

Really? I am unfamiliar with Arne Carlson. So he has been a Hillary fan for some time has he?

They must keep him hidden or something and he got out and showed up on Hardball with Tweetie Matthews.

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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:52:28pm

re: #181 FormerDirtDart

That moment when you are sure these fucks have no shame, and are relying on the complete ignorance of their audience

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Ollie? The Iran-Contra bagman himself? This is serious Ministry of Truth stuff.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:52:36pm

re: #181 FormerDirtDart

That moment when you are sure these fucks have no shame, and are relying on the complete ignorance of their audience

[Embedded content]

They know their viewer base either forgot about Iran Contra or because they worship Reagan, North’a hypocrisy doesn’t bother them.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:53:00pm

re: #183thatvw Shiplord Kirel

Ollie? The Iran-Contra bagman himself? This is serious Ministry of Truth stuff.

That was different somehow.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:54:26pm

re: #182 ObserverArt

Really? I am unfamiliar with Arne Carlson. So he has been a Hillary fan for some time has he?

They must keep him hidden or something and he got out and showed up on Hardball with Tweetie Matthews.

Sorry I should have removed that paragraph, I wasn’t responding to that. Trump Tweeted that “Nuclear Global Warming” 2 years ago.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:55:07pm

WTF CNN WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:55:20pm

Heard my grandfather apparently told Ollie that Robb’s gotcha when Ollie tried to shake his hand.

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TedStriker  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:55:27pm

re: #46 Lidane

Trump selling copies of Art of the Deal for $184 to raise money for campaign. Isn’t worth paper it’s printed on. I should know: I wrote it.

— Tony Schwartz (@tonyschwartz) August 2, 2016

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:56:26pm

We don’t do this or that except when Reagan did then it was awesome because we worship that guy like a God.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:56:30pm

Why would they give money to a billionaire who has so many billions? Oh because this story is utter bullshit.

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TedStriker  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:56:32pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

Just received this email from an admirer in Missouri, with the subject line “Where Is Your Story About 400M in Secret Cash To Iran?”

They seem nice.

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majii  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:57:24pm

re: #172 Shiplord Kirel

“Hard to imagine what might have happened if I had done such a thing in front of my mother, even just before she passed 2 years ago.”

If I had done something like that, my mom would have grounded me until the age of 18. The only place I would have gone was church. I don’t want to think of what my dad would have said to me when he got home from work. My parents’ favorite child-rearing tactic involved doing a psych job on your mind and letting you know how much you’d disappointed them. The tactic worked so well on me that I used it on my own kid.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:57:37pm

re: #192 TedStriker

They seem nice.

And such historical perspective too.

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:58:07pm

re: #186 The Vicious Babushka

Sorry I should have removed that paragraph, I wasn’t responding to that. Trump Tweeted that “Nuclear Global Warming” 2 years ago.

Ahhh. No problem.

But if we wait he might whip that out again. He likes his material and he repeats it. Like he repeats his stupid lines. Like his stupid lines he repeats. And he repeats stupid lines he likes. This I can tell you.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2016 • 4:59:53pm

re: #191 The Vicious Babushka

Why would they give money to a billionaire who has so many billions? Oh because this story is utter bullshit.

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That shtick is straight out of the Televangelist Handbook.

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SteelPH  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:00:52pm

re: #171 The Vicious Babushka

No, instead he sold weapons to them.

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freetoken  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:01:00pm

re: #187 The Vicious Babushka

WTF CNN WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU

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Fox News has them beat in the ratings. For a while now, CNN has been going after that lucrative 65+ wingnut demography to try and address that.

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stpaulbear  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:01:05pm

re: #182 ObserverArt

Really? I am unfamiliar with Arne Carlson. So he has been a Hillary fan for some time has he?

They must keep him hidden or something and he got out and showed up on Hardball with Tweetie Matthews.

Arne is one of the only republicans that I’ve ever voted for. He’s a really reasonable guy who started falling out with the republican party back when Norm Coleman was running for the senate. There is NO love lost between him and the current tea-baggy MN republican party. He hated Tim Pawlenty. I really like Arne a lot.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:01:26pm

re: #197 SteelPH

No, instead he sold weapons to them.

But he did it with a smile.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:02:28pm

re: #199 stpaulbear

Arne is one of the only republicans that I’ve ever voted for. He’s a really reasonable guy who started falling out with the republican party back when Norm Coleman was running for the senate. There is NO love lost between him and the current tea-baggy MN republican party. I really like Arne a lot.

I’ve heard good things about him from other Minnesotans as well.

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:02:50pm

re: #196 Decatur Deb

That shtick is straight out of the Televangelist handbook.

Who learned it from the carnival and side show barkers.

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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:03:23pm

California mayor denies being negligent after stolen gun used to kill boy, 13

Besides the callousness of his response, something doesn’t smell right about the mayor’s story:

The mayor of Stockton, Calif., is pushing back against allegations of negligence after a gun stolen from his home was used in the fatal shooting of a 13-year-old boy, according to reports.

The San Joaquin County District Attorney’s Office stated Friday that one of two guns registered to Mayor Anthony Silva and stolen in separate incidences was identified as the murder weapon in the Feb. 23, 2015, fatal shooting of Rayshawn Harris, CBS News reported.

Prosecutors said Silva failed to immediately report the 40-caliber semi-automatic pistol as stolen from his unoccupied home. On March 22, 2015, Silva reported the gun missing — 27 days after the teen was shot while standing in his driveway.

Silva, who is running for re-election, told FOX40 “it’s just silly” for people to present him as a negligent gun owner, insisting he stores his trigger-locked weapons in a closet and out of the reach of his young son.

“Most gun owners, unless you’re sleeping with your weapon at nighttime or unless you’re a public safety officer, chances are you’re not checking your gun every single day,” Silva said in the Monday interview, admitting he didn’t check on his weapons daily.

I do in fact check my guns daily, since I usually take one with me when I am working on the ranch, and I check them all against a written list and log them in and out every time I open the bolted-down safe where they are stored.

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:03:30pm

re: #199 stpaulbear

Arne is one of the only republicans that I’ve ever voted for. He’s a really reasonable guy who started falling out with the republican party back when Norm Coleman was running for the senate. There is NO love lost between him and the current tea-baggy MN republican party. I really like Arne a lot.

Thanks for the info.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:03:54pm

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:04:54pm

re: #203 Shiplord Kirel

California mayor denies being negligent after stolen gun used to kill boy, 13

Besides the callousness of his response, something doesn’t smell right about the mayor’s story:

I do in fact check my guns daily, since I usually take one with me when I am working on the ranch, and I check them all against a written list and log them in and out every time I open the bolted-down safe where they are stored.

He is irresponsible and I’m sick of people like him.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:06:07pm

re: #203 Shiplord Kirel

…that one of two guns registered to Mayor Anthony Silva and stolen in separate incidences was identified..

For a mayor, he sure does get robbed a lot.

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TedStriker  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:06:41pm

re: #96 MsJ

Thanks. What’s a flag-rank officer? Someone not an “enlisted” person? Like went to West Point, Annapolis, War College, what have you?

General officers (generals and admirals).

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:07:10pm

I JUST CAN’T EVEN

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freetoken  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:07:27pm

WaPo has to run the headline:

Was the $400 million in cash paid after the Iran prisoner deal really ransom?

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KingKenrod  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:09:20pm

re: #209 The Vicious Babushka

I JUST CAN’T EVEN

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He “interviewed” Trump last night. Basically told Trump the press was out to get him, then gave him campaign advice.

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calochortus  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:09:25pm

Time to start dinner. Then for the important decision. Shall I do something “constructive” tonight like I did last night? (Genealogical rant follows, feel free to skip.)

I spent the whole evening trying to track down the Smith line of my ancestors. Yes. Smiths. In Ohio in the mid to late 1800s. My great grandmother appears from the mists to marry my great grandfather in Cleveland. The family bible says she was born in 1860. This would be her and her husband’s bible, so I’m thinking they knew when she was born and what her name was. I also have a bible inscribed to her father on his graduation-with a good chain of custody, and all, so I know what his name was.
The marriage license has great grandfather’s name, her name and the attestation that they are both of age, not currently married and live in Cleveland. And the date and signature of the officiant. They could have thrown in something I didn’t already know. Thanks, Cleveland.
I’m going to have to cast my census net a little bit farther, I think. But Smiths.

BBL

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majii  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:09:28pm

re: #209 The Vicious Babushka

“I JUST CAN’T EVEN”

So, is O’Reilly saying that when members of the press report exactly what Trump has said and done, we’re not to believe it? He needs to withdraw his *ss from Trump’s behind.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:10:08pm

re: #209 The Vicious Babushka

I JUST CAN’T EVEN

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You are the press, Bill, stop acting like the media is why people dislike Trump and not his being a pathetic asshole like yourself.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:10:42pm

re: #211 KingKenrod

He “interviewed” Trump last night. Basically told Trump the press was out to get him, then gave him campaign advice.

And good advice it was, working like a charm.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:10:44pm

re: #211 KingKenrod

He “interviewed” Trump last night. Basically told Trump the press was out to get him, then gave him campaign advice.

Whenever Donald is down in the polls he knows he can always get blowjobs from Billo & Sean.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:11:07pm

re: #205 Feline Fearless Leader

“I am altering the deal. Pray I don’t alter it any further.”

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JasonA  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:11:16pm

FFS!!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:11:55pm

re: #211 KingKenrod

He “interviewed” Trump last night. Basically told Trump the press was out to get him, then gave him campaign advice.

He’s a hack. Had the nerve to accuse Jon Stewart of being too biased when the latter is a comedian.

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KGxvi  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:12:03pm

re: #20 Danack

Serious question, if Trump either withdraws or just otherwise becomes incapable of campaigning, is there any reason why the Republican party can’t just abandon the Presidential race?

At this point they’d almost certainly be doing better in both Congressional and Senate races if Trump wasn’t running, and better than if he was ‘replaced’ somehow, which would cause Trump’s supporters to start believing in a Dolchstoßlegende scenario.

Just giving up on the Presidency for this election seems to be a least worst option for Republicans now.

As I said in an earlier thread: they can’t. They’ve spent the last six years promising their base that they’d undo every single thing that the markist kenyan usurper appeasing apologizing weak willed “you know” did. The only way they can do that is by winning the presidency. If they give up on the presidency, that means they have to go back to promising the same shit again, for four more years. At some point, their base will realize they’re the marks and won’t show up to the polls.

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stpaulbear  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:14:00pm

I got a mailer today from Betty McCollum. Apparently she has a primary challenger who’s calls himself an independent, but is very obvious history as a tea party guy who’s all in for Trump (He’s also an incredibly white guy who expresses himself through rapping. I didn’t go looking for examples). Betty is so much of a lock in the general election that I wasn’t even paying attention to the primaries, This mailer from Betty says that we’d better get our asses out to vote in the primary or we may be SOL in November. I didn’t realize.

I’ve never missed a general election (maybe only once since 1972), but I haven’t always gone to the primaries. I guess I’ll be making sure to vote next Tuesday.

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stpaulbear  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:16:38pm

re: #203 Shiplord Kirel

California mayor denies being negligent after stolen gun used to kill boy, 13

Besides the callousness of his response, something doesn’t smell right about the mayor’s story:

I do in fact check my guns daily, since I usually take one with me when I am working on the ranch, and I check them all against a written list and log them in and out every time I open the bolted-down safe where they are stored.

He has a second gun stolen in a separate home robbery after that first gun was stolen. He’s a totally irresponsible gun owner.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:16:55pm

re: #217 GlutenFreeJesus

“I am altering the deal. Pray I don’t alter it any further.”

That wouldn’t fit on the sticker. So I went with a different follow-up line referring to Robot Chicken Star Wars eps.

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dangerman  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:18:48pm

re: #203 Shiplord Kirel

California mayor denies being negligent after stolen gun used to kill boy, 13

Besides the callousness of his response, something doesn’t smell right about the mayor’s story:

I do in fact check my guns daily, since I usually take one with me when I am working on the ranch, and I check them all against a written list and log them in and out every time I open the bolted-down safe where they are stored.

He didn’t have control
Simple as that

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451_Montag  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:20:21pm

OT But damn… just got back from taking my little girl to see Brasil women’s team beat China 3-0 in their opening match of the Olympics at the Olympic stadium.

Being in the middle of 30000 Brazilian soccer fans is unreal. At one point everyone was slapping their seats. Almost subsonic rumble like an Earthquake. Powerful stuff, but totally non-threatening, just joy at the game.

Not a fan but I am going to get tickets to see the men’s team

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thedopefishlives  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:20:37pm

re: #222 stpaulbear

He has a second gun stolen in a separate home robbery after that first gun was stolen. He’s a totally irresponsible gun owner.

Seems like a pretty obvious thing for any gun owner to do.

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451_Montag  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:21:15pm

OT But damn… just got back from taking my little girl to see Brasil women’s team beat China 3-0 in their opening match of the Olympics at the Olympic stadium.

Being in the middle of 30000 Brazilian soccer fans is unreal. At one point everyone was slapping their seats. Almost subsonic rumble like an Earthquake. Powerful stuff, but totally non-threatening, just joy at the game.

Not a fan but I am going to get tickets to see the men’s team

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dangerman  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:24:17pm

re: #222 stpaulbear

He has a second gun stolen in a separate home robbery after that first gun was stolen. He’s a totally irresponsible gun owner.

Didn’t have control
Simple as that

Textbook definition of “negligent “

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Archangelus  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:25:14pm

re: #223 Feline Fearless Leader

That wouldn’t fit on the sticker. So I went with a different follow-up line referring to Robot Chicken Star Wars eps.

Nothing a little Photoshopping can’t cure…

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Split Ticket  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:26:07pm

re: #229 Archangelus

That is perfect.

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Archangelus  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:27:10pm

re: #229 Archangelus

Nothing a little Photoshopping can’t cure…

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Honestly though, the tagline “This deal’s getting worse all the time” might just be the most appropriate descriptor for the Trump campaign ever (and especially appropriate for those in the GOP nowadays)…

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:39:19pm

re: #181 FormerDirtDart

That moment when you are sure these fucks have no shame, and are relying on the complete ignorance of their audience

[Embedded content]

Oliver North. The only reason he didn’t go to prison for a long, LONG time is because there wasn’t language to negate his immunity deal with Congress if he was caught committing perjury. They changed that detail afterwards.

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Sherlock Hound  Aug 3, 2016 • 5:44:24pm

re: #59 ObserverArt

I don’t know…I’d like a reversal. A photo of a Grizzly with a Trump son arm or leg.

Hey, it’s only fair that the Grizzly bears get a shot at righting the Elephant wrong. Nature can be cruel.

An old joke:

Hikers wear bells to scare off brown bears. But, on the other hand, grizzly bear scat contains bells.

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BeachDem  Aug 3, 2016 • 6:27:45pm

re: #121 CleverToad

Oh, that’s a mean thing to post! Now I want lobster.

I had a lobster roll last night, and would have gladly had another tonight if the opportunity had presented itself. Hey—if I’m spending two weeks babysitting my niece’s kiddos, the LEAST I should expect is an occasional lobster roll!


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