New WaPo-ABC News Poll Shows Clinton Ahead of Trump by 8 Points

And she’s crushing him with non-white voters
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The latest Washington Post-ABC News poll has good news for Hillary Clinton; it looks like that post-convention bounce has turned into a significant lead over the tiny-fisted fascist.

Hillary Clinton has emerged from the two major party conventions and their aftermath with an eight-point lead over Donald Trump, aided by a consolidation of support among Democrats and a failure so far by Republicans to rally equally behind their nominee, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Clinton and her running mate, Sen. Tim Kaine (Va.), now lead Trump and his running mate, Gov. Mike Pence (Ind.), by 50 percent to 42 percent among registered voters, double the four-point advantage the Democrats held on the eve of the Republican convention in mid-July. Among likely voters, the Democratic nominee leads by 51 percent to 44 percent.

And among non-white voters, Trump is underwater and going down for the third time.

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294 comments
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HappyWarrior  Aug 7, 2016 • 1:27:07pm

He’s not going to win or hoenstly come close doing that poorly with non white voters.

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BigPapa  Aug 7, 2016 • 1:28:29pm
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Jack B. Nimble  Aug 7, 2016 • 1:29:35pm

Don’t get complacent, a lot can happen in 3 months, and you can bet that Trump et al. will continue to trot out various controversies, faketroversies and nontroversies in hopes of kneecapping Clinton.

I am hopeful that by this point most likely voters will know that Trump and his surrogates are serial liars but, it wouldn’t be the first time I was disappointed by my fellow Americans.

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Belafon  Aug 7, 2016 • 1:29:51pm

re: #2 BigPapa

If she has my kids’ sense of humor, she’ll walk in and say “Yeah, Trump was an easy choice.”

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Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2016 • 1:34:52pm
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Belafon  Aug 7, 2016 • 1:35:48pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

A certain FBI agent wouldn’t have a job for very much longer if that were true.

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lockjawcanbefun  Aug 7, 2016 • 1:36:56pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

If I ever get to a point in my life when I consider 4chan to be a reliable source, that’s a sign that something has gone really, really wrong and I should serious re-evaluate things.

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BigPapa  Aug 7, 2016 • 1:40:35pm

I’ve been in Reddit for a few weeks. It’s a fucking shithole. Makes me appreciate this place even more.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 7, 2016 • 1:40:54pm

To begin to repair the damage done, they need to see not that their way almost succeeded, if only one or two states had broken differently. They must absorb the painful reality that their way cannot, will not, ever work again.

So when it’s over, Trumpkins, remember: You’re not purging us. We’re purging you.

No more hate and reckless group blame. No more fact-free fearmongering. No more feeding the obese ego of a man who’s transparently unfit for the job

already fighting over the corpse of the gop

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 7, 2016 • 1:42:30pm

re: #6 Belafon

A certain FBI agent wouldn’t have a job for very much longer if that were true.

Rule of thumb: Anything advertised as a “game-changer” or “bombshell” is nothing but a big pile of DERP unless it has a credible source who is willing to go on the record.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 7, 2016 • 1:42:31pm
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 7, 2016 • 1:44:45pm

Yes, I’m sure an FBI agent with actual proof of CF money laundering would go on 4 Chan anonymously & make a bunch of vague unprovable bullshit allegations instead of giving it to Wikileaks, Fox, or The Intercept.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2016 • 1:48:21pm

If you click through to that garbage YouTube video, remember to go into your History and delete it. Otherwise YouTube will start suggesting more ridiculous garbage like it on your home page.

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stpaulbear  Aug 7, 2016 • 1:48:29pm

re: #7 lockjawcanbefun

If I ever get to a point in my life when I consider 4chan to be a reliable source, that’s a sign that something has gone really, really wrong and I should serious re-evaluate things.

I’m of a certain age where every time I see ‘4chan’, my mind instantly goes to the ‘quadraphonic revolution’ of the mid 70s. I’d just as soon keep it that way by avoiding any contact with modern 4chan.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 7, 2016 • 1:48:32pm

re: #9 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Where’s that from?

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Aug 7, 2016 • 1:49:26pm

Do polls count on 100% Republican turnout? Because that’s what will happen. Democrats should not underestimate Hillary Hate as an animating force. Complacency about turnout could double-flush this country right down the gold-plated Trump shitter.

I don’t mean to be negative nancypants, but I will believe Trump has lost on the morning after election day, when he’s actually lost.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2016 • 1:50:21pm
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sagehen  Aug 7, 2016 • 1:50:26pm

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

Where’s that from?

Rick Wilson’s scathing anti-Trump editorial this morning.

nydailynews.com

A growing number of Americans are coming to the realization that Trump is more than just a political train wreck; he’s a real threat to the nation, what with the fear of nuclear weapons and the sweeping power of the federal government in his tiny paws.

Those of us who believe, who know, that Trump is dangerous can’t just settle for him being beaten in November. We need to ensure that he is on the business end of a decisive, humiliating defeat — so that the terribly divisive forces he has unleashed are delivered a death blow.

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Skip Intro  Aug 7, 2016 • 1:51:19pm

re: #3 Jack B. Nimble

Don’t get complacent, a lot can happen in 3 months, and you can bet that Trump et al. will continue to trot out various controversies, faketroversies and nontroversies in hopes of kneecapping Clinton.

I am hopeful that by this point most likely voters will know that Trump and his surrogates are serial liars but, it wouldn’t be the first time I was disappointed by my fellow Americans.

Literally all Trump has to do to be considered “presidential” by the media is to not take a shit on the floor while making an appearance. That’s how high his bar is.

It’s going to be way closer than it should be.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 1:51:32pm
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A Mom Anon  Aug 7, 2016 • 1:51:48pm

re: #16 Pawn of the Oppressor

You are very right about that. And since the GOP knows it’s about to get its ass handed to it, including in some down ticket races, you can expect there to be all kinds of dirty tricks to keep minorities and poor people from voting. It could be a mess in some places, with fewer voting machines and other bullshit. We have to get people to the polls in huge numbers.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Aug 7, 2016 • 1:52:19pm

re: #11 FormerDirtDart

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“Controversial hand gesture”

Buhwah? I’m sorry, her hand gesture is an extremely good piece of communication that says “thank you” and signals empathy all at once. It’s good communication. THAT’S WHAT SPEECHES ARE. COMMUNICATION.

“Oh but it’s so false and contrived!”

Motherfucker it’s ALL CONTRIVED. THAT’S WHY SPEECHES HAVE TO BE WRITTEN. THAT’S WHY THEY TEACH CLASSES ON THESE THINGS. Jeezus on a jet-ski… ><

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Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2016 • 1:53:35pm

This guy “Taylor Britsch” who says he’s a “math and science educator” has been spamming this bullshit to everyone who tweets about the poll.

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Skip Intro  Aug 7, 2016 • 1:54:42pm

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BigPapa  Aug 7, 2016 • 1:56:02pm

re: #12 goddamnedfrank

Yes. Because he’s a patriot and he loves liberty.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2016 • 1:57:42pm

So I just watched a couple of recent interviews with Graham Nash, and man, he sure comes off as a dick.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 7, 2016 • 1:58:23pm

re: #18 sagehen

Rick Wilson’s scathing anti-Trump editorial this morning.

nydailynews.com

Well, what Mr. Wilson seeks is impossible: The political lines are still too firm for either side to win a decisive victory.

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Belafon  Aug 7, 2016 • 1:58:47pm

re: #11 FormerDirtDart

Daily Kos has a post about Clinton’s gesture, and how she’s been doing it for a long time: Breaking: Hillary Clinton had a heart 20 years ago, and a hand.

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Skip Intro  Aug 7, 2016 • 1:59:28pm

Are all those Trump controversies raising doubts in Trump Nation? Not really

Nope. They’re locked in.

latimes.com

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Belafon  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:00:08pm

re: #27 Dark_Falcon

Well, what Mr. Wilson seeks is impossible: The political lines are still too firm for either side to win a decisive victory.

As we all know from 2008 and 2012, winning a majority of the votes and a large majority of electoral votes is no proof of victory.

//

Seriously, though, Trumps not going to win with 18% of minorities.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:02:22pm

re: #11 FormerDirtDart

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lockjawcanbefun  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:03:49pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:07:17pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

This guy “Taylor Britsch” who says he’s a “math and science educator” has been spamming this bullshit to everyone who tweets about the poll.

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They need to ask first for the youngest available voting age adult because phone polls intrinsically trend far older than average.

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stpaulbear  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:07:39pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

So I just watched a couple of recent interviews with Graham Nash, and man, he sure comes off as a dick.

LOL. Last week I watched a couple of documentaries about CSN (&Y) and thought the same about all of them. One of the architects that I worked with who recently retired was a dead ringer for Crosby, and I can’t tell you how glad I was when he retired. Even when he knew he was wrong, he was just better than you.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:09:08pm

re: #30 Belafon

As we all know from 2008 and 2012, winning a majority of the votes and a large majority of electoral votes is no proof of victory.

//

Seriously, though, Trumps not going to win with 18% of minorities.

Please note that I placed the word “decisive” in front of “victory.”

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Belafon  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:11:04pm

re: #35 Dark_Falcon

Please note that I placed the word “decisive” in front of “victory.”

When is 51+% and over 300EVs not decisive? I’m not talking about the 2000 election.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:11:46pm

re: #27 Dark_Falcon

Well, what Mr. Wilson seeks is impossible: The political lines are still too firm for either side to win a decisive victory.

It certainly doesn’t help when certain folks are willing to align themselves politically with racists, condone racism, and run interference for the racists by attacking Hillary in sexist terms as a cackler.

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Belafon  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:12:23pm

re: #37 goddamnedfrank

It certainly doesn’t help when certain folks are willing to align themselves politically with racists, condone racism, and run interference for the racists by attacking Hillary in sexist terms as a cackler.

LOL

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:13:29pm

re: #14 stpaulbear

I’m of a certain age where every time I see ‘4chan’, my mind instantly goes to the ‘quadraphonic revolution’ of the mid 70s. I’d just as soon keep it that way by avoiding any contact with modern 4chan.

And I’m of a certain age that sees 4chan and thinks “Fortran”.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:16:01pm

re: #36 Belafon

When is 51+% and over 300EVs not decisive? I’m not talking about the 2000 election.

When the other side doesn’t believe itself fairly beaten and it retains the power to block most large-scale initiatives.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:16:49pm

ICYMI…Orange County, California:

A surge in Democratic voter registration has cut Republicans’ advantage in Orange County to less than 6 percentage points and has doubled the number of Democratic cities over the past year.

The Republican margin has been shrinking since 1990, when the GOP edge was 22 points. But in the past six months, the pace of change has been four times as fast as the 26-year average - due in part to the GOP’s controversial presidential nominee. That could hurt the local Republicans in November’s down-ticket races.

“Donald Trump has become our best marketing tool,” said Henry Vandermeir, chairman of the Democratic Party of Orange County. “He’s insulted pretty much every constituency in this county, which has helped drive Democratic registration and turnout to new highs.”

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:17:43pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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That video refers to a group of posts out of /pol/ (“Politically Incorrect”) on 4chan, which was one of the primary birthplaces of the white nationalist and men’s rights arms of the alt-right. The thread was one of many where people impersonate public officials and for the sole purpose of trolling statements - in this case about the Clinton Foundation.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:17:57pm

Dark,

As long as you continue to draw false equivalencies between an ignorant outright racist & wannabe religious bigot with a nuclear weapons fetish and a woman who is at worst shrewd, calculating and opportunistic, you will be part of the problem. If you passively sit by refuse to fight for the future of your party your party, refuse to fight the cancer eating it alive, it will have no future.

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gwangung  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:18:20pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

When the other side doesn’t believe itself fairly beaten and it retains the power to block most large-scale initiatives.

In other words, a lot of tall toddlers.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:18:58pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

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Of course, if one manages to convince oneself that the ABC/WashPo poll is skewed, you still have to deal with every single other poll out there,which show Clinton leading by 5-15 points.

Or you can believe in poll skewing. I remember painfully being fooled by the seductive siren of wish fulfillment back in 2004, and I’m sure President Romney can tell you all about it in 2012.

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TedStriker  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:23:24pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

So I just watched a couple of recent interviews with Graham Nash, and man, he sure comes off as a dick.

Seeing as you’ve been in the business, I’m sure that you would probably agree that the “Do You Know Who I Am?” syndrome seems fairly common among artists that have had the sort of fame that CSN has had over the years.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:24:58pm

re: #36 Belafon

When is 51+% and over 300EVs not decisive? I’m not talking about the 2000 election.

It’s never decisive when Democrats win. That’s baked into the GOP brain, which is why Dark considers Obama winning by 7.2% with 365 EC votes ‘not decisive’.

Meanwhile, GOP’ers consider ANY victory, no matter how small, to be a decisive mandate. Why? Because they want to.

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Jenner7  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:26:40pm
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Dark_Falcon  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:27:14pm

re: #43 goddamnedfrank

Frank, I was talking about ‘victory’ versus ‘decisive victory’. That conceptual discussion may involve some hair-splitting, but it does not draw distinctions or equivalencies between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.

I find Donald Trump’s behavior appalling. His “She’s short-circuited her mind” attack on Hillary Clinton this weekend regarding email prevarications on Friday actually succeeded in replacing my anger at said prevarications with sympathy for Hillary Clinton. Mrs. Clinton at least acts like an adult, and Trump attacked her in the same way I was teased and mistreated in high school.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:28:17pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

When the other side doesn’t believe itself fairly beaten and it retains the power to block most large-scale initiatives.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!! There’s another thing that’s baked into the GOP brain, that every single loss is because of Voter Fraud, which they can never, ever seem to locate, identify, and prove.

Dark, why don’t you just admit it - the GOP doesn’t really care about the ‘Will-O-The-People’. Its profoundly undemocratic point of view is that The People can’t be trusted, unless those people vote Republican. Thus, they care nothing for mandates.

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Jenner7  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:28:24pm

They also ignored his “Hillary ROTTEN Clinton”, “that woman”, and “she’s a monster”.

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Belafon  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:29:06pm

re: #47 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s never decisive when Democrats win. That’s baked into the GOP brain, which is why Dark considers Obama winning by 7.2% with 365 EC votes ‘not decisive’.

Meanwhile, GOP’ers consider ANY victory, no matter how small, to be a decisive mandate. Why? Because they want to.

It’s a bit more sinister (can’t think of a better word). Based on his comment here, #40, Republican presidents are decisive because Democrats don’t oppose them enough. If Democrats would give up governing like Republicans, then no president would be legitimate.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:30:14pm

re: #42 Bill and Opus for 2016!

That video refers to a group of posts out of /pol/ (“Politically Incorrect”) on 4chan, which was one of the primary birthplaces of the white nationalist and men’s rights arms of the alt-right. The thread was one of many where people impersonate public officials and for the sole purpose of trolling statements - in this case about the Clinton Foundation.

A while back, there was a blogger who claimed to be an insider in the Obama White House, who told wingnuts EXACTLY they wanted and expected to hear about Obama. Of course, they ate it up.

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A Mom Anon  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:30:22pm

re: #48 Jenner7

He thinks he doesn’t need to because 1) the media is giving him endless airtime and 2) he thinks he’s got “small town America” in the bag. Because he’s a moron. Taking people for granted is a bad idea, I think Democrats have learned that (and need to keep learning that) the hard way. I just hope we don’t become complacent or discouraged here. Even in some red states (like GA of all places) the margins are getting closer than they’ve been in ages.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:30:32pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

email prevarications

good freaking grief.
There were NO EMAIL PREVARICATIONS, no matter how much you want to believe the GOP bullshit talking points.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:31:05pm

re: #51 Jenner7

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They also ignored his “Hillary ROTTEN Clinton”, “that woman”, and “she’s a monster”.

and “conniving” and “crooked”…

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Belafon  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:31:33pm

In 2008, not only did Obama win, but Democrats controlled both houses of Congress, including 60 seats in the senate. How did Republicans reward the will of the people? They sued to keep Franken out of his seat, and then refused to do any actual work.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:32:12pm

re: #53 Blind Frog Belly White

A while back, there was a blogger who claimed to be an insider in the Obama White House, who told wingnuts EXACTLY they wanted and expected to hear about Obama. Of course, they ate it up.

That particular “insider” claimed to be Secret Service guarding the Clintons.
He was no such thing.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:32:18pm

So I am gonna say it: Don’t let that loudmouth get to you, Hillary. I don’t agree with you, but you don’t deserve the abuse he’s dishing out. Just keep being the adult in the race and people will keep turning on Donald Trump’s juvenile antics.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:33:08pm

sigh…

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Belafon  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:35:43pm

re: #60 Backwoods_Sleuth

sigh…

All I could do was laugh.

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TK-421  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:35:47pm

Here’s a pro tip: If you’re being affectionate with your significant other, gazing lovingly into each others eyes as your palms touch and fingers clasp, don’t blurt out “wow your hands are the same size as Donald Trump!”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:37:35pm
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:37:59pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

Frank, I was talking about ‘victory’ versus ‘decisive victory’. That conceptual discussion may involve some hair-splitting, but it does not draw distinctions or equivalencies between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.

I find Donald Trump’s behavior appalling. His “She’s short-circuited her mind” attack on Hillary Clinton this weekend regarding email prevarications on Friday actually succeeded in replacing my anger at said prevarications with sympathy for Hillary Clinton. Mrs. Clinton at least acts like an adult, and Trump attacked her in the same way I was teased and mistreated in high school.

Then you should vote for Clinton. Elections aren’t about your feelings, they’re about picking the best available option to fill a government job vacancy. They’re about basic civics and trying to steer society in the most responsible direction. Sitting them out is like abandoning the helm of a ship in a storm.

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451_Montag  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:38:01pm

re: #62 TK-421

Here’s a pro tip: If you’re being affectionate with your significant other, gazing lovingly into each others eyes as your palms touch and fingers clasp, don’t blurt out “wow your hands are the same size as Donald Trump!”.

Apparently Putin likes Trump’s micro-digits as it makes Vlad look more manly during intimate “trade negotiation” moments.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:38:16pm

re: #51 Jenner7

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They also ignored his “Hillary ROTTEN Clinton”, “that woman”, and “she’s a monster”.

Baldasaro is also a Birther.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:40:19pm

re: #32 lockjawcanbefun

You also have to delete them from your history - they’ll still show up if you don’t.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:40:55pm
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Belafon  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:41:23pm

This is good (h/t Balloon Juice):

[Y]ou can send any message you like by not voting. You can say you are sitting out the election because both parties are neo-liberal or because an election without Lyndon LaRouche is a sham or because 9/11 was an inside job. The story you tell yourself about your political commitments are yours to construct.

But it doesn’t matter what message you think you are sending, because no one will receive it. No one is listening. The system is set up so that every choice other than ‘R’ or ‘D’ boils down to “I defer to the judgement of my fellow citizens.” It’s easy to argue that our system shouldn’t work like that. It’s impossible to argue it doesn’t work like that.

This is frustrating, of course, but that’s how our Presidential elections are set up. Democracies alternate the coalition in power, but different systems do so in different ways. In multi-party systems, voters get the satisfaction of voting for smaller, ideologically purer factions — environmental parties, anti-immigrant parties, and so on. The impure compromises come when those factions are forced to form coalitions large enough to govern. The inevitable tradeoffs are part of the governing process, not the electoral process.

In America, by contrast, the coalitions are the parties. Our system also produces alternation of power, and requires compromises among competing interests, but those compromises happen within long-standing caucuses; issues come and go, but the two parties remain. This forces the citizens themselves to get involved in the disappointing tradeoffs, rather than learning about them after the fact. No one gets what they want in a democracy; two-party systems simply rub voters’ noses in that fact.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:43:37pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

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How lucky for the Democrats that the GOP was so easily manipulated into nominating its worst available candidate! In 2020, Clinton should say, “don’t you dare nominate David Duke for President, GOP!”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:44:24pm

re: #18 sagehen

Rick Wilson’s scathing anti-Trump editorial this morning.

nydailynews.com

thx! i stepped away from the communication device…

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Jenner7  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:45:18pm

Trump retweeted this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:46:51pm

re: #73 Jenner7

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Trump retweeted this.

I was waiting for Donald to blame her for that.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:47:21pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

So I am gonna say it: Don’t let that loudmouth get to you, Hillary. I don’t agree with you, but you don’t deserve the abuse he’s dishing out. Just keep being the adult in the race and people will keep turning on Donald Trump’s juvenile antics.

Who are you voting for?

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TK-421  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:48:32pm

If Tom Cotton has questions, he should write a letter to his BFF, Ayatollah Khamenei and ask him.

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lawhawk  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:48:42pm

re: #11 FormerDirtDart

Meanwhile, coverage of Trump is spectacularly lacking on basics. Who’s advising him, who’s paying those advisers, and just exactly his relations with Russia, and Putin in particular. Where’s all those journalists at all those press conferences Trump holds asking those basic questions?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:49:52pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Jenner7  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:50:37pm
The scientist shows up in Clinton’s emails back in 2010, just nine days before he returned to Iran.

“We have a diplomatic, ‘psychological’ issue, not a legal one. Our friend has to be given a way out,” the email by Richard Morningstar, a former State Department special envoy for Eurasian energy, read, according to the Associated Press. “Our person won’t be able to do anything anyway. If he has to leave so be it.”

So, this, in an email, may have contributed to the hanging of this scientist??

Okay then.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:51:29pm

LOL SMOTI thinks this is PALLETS OF CASH

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lawhawk  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:52:12pm

Hoft is huffing the sauce….

This nitwit thinks that his sources or insights are anywhere near reality? After all, his chosen candidate is flat out seeking support from white supremacists, the KKK, and he just glides right past that inarguable point.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:52:33pm

“So dishonest” broadcasting his exact words as he says them.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:52:47pm

re: #73 Jenner7

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Trump retweeted this.

i say we start trolling trump by putting it out in the media that he is “actually stupid enough” to believe some well know fact, like say the moon landing

it’ll get underneath his skin and we’ll have four days of media coverage of him loudly asserting that it’s a lie that he’s dumb enough to believe the earth is not flat, it’s plently flat believe me, i own half of it, it’s dumb crooked crazy poo poo head hillary she’s the one that wants you to believe in the earth is round…

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:53:07pm

re: #75 The Vicious Babushka

Who are you voting for?

As things stand I’m not planning to cast a vote for president.

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TK-421  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:53:11pm

Every 12 year old has a 12K camera in their pocket but the cameras surrounding hundreds of millions of dollars are all 84p.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:55:29pm

re: #81 lawhawk

hahahahaa…
That’s the Secret Service agent who told her things were under control and “keep talking” when the animal rights activists tried to storm the stage in Colorado the other day.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:55:56pm

re: #3 Jack B. Nimble

Don’t get complacent, a lot can happen in 3 months, and you can bet that Trump et al. will continue to trot out various controversies, faketroversies and nontroversies in hopes of kneecapping Clinton.

I am hopeful that by this point most likely voters will know that Trump and his surrogates are serial liars but, it wouldn’t be the first time I was disappointed by my fellow Americans.

I expect that within the next three months, the media will pull out all stops go go after Secretary Clinton for the email “scandal” and turn Trump’s mini moments of sanity (when his cell phone is out of his reach) into “Oh my goodness, he’s so presidential” celebrations.

I also expect the media to play up Trump’s performance during the debates into wins, unless he skips them altogether. The media has a lot riding on a horse race narrative.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:56:55pm

re: #67 Charles Johnson

22m
Donald J. Trump ✔@realDonaldTrump
The media is going crazy. They totally distort so many things on purpose. Crimea, nuclear, “the baby” and so much more. Very dishonest!

many candidates have found that complaining about the “dishonesty” of the press helps them get more fair, positive coverage

just ask richard nixon

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:57:44pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hopefully, California voters can do us all a huuuuge favor and vote out Issa. His ouster would be a delicious cherry on top of Secretary Clinton’s win in November.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:58:29pm

‘Crimea’ may in Donald Trump’s mind be just a word Donald Trump spouts, but if there’s very much to the videos I’ve seen from Crimea today, The Donald may be in for a rather unpleasant surprise:

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Stanley Sea  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:58:58pm

re: #89 Patricia Kayden

Hopefully, California voters can do us all a huuuuge favor and vote out Issa. His ouster would be a delicious cherry on top of Secretary Clinton’s win in November.

He’s safe. GOP district.

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lawhawk  Aug 7, 2016 • 2:59:29pm

This is proof… of something…

But Trump’s speeches, those are all disposable throwaway lines that when taken as a whole show Trump’s memory is shot, he rambles incoherently, and often contradicts himself on key policy issues - sometimes multiple times in the same sentence or “train” of thought.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:00:16pm

re: #82 The Vicious Babushka

“So dishonest” broadcasting his exact words as he says them.

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The only way the media is going crazy is in trying to demonize Clinton for her State Department emails. They’ve been desperately trying to spin that into a scandal for quite some time now. Unfortunately for them, Trump’s outrageousness trumps Clinton’s private server usage all day on any day.

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Belafon  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:00:54pm

re: #84 Dark_Falcon

As things stand I’m not planning to cast a vote for president.

Either vote for Trump because you have no problem with him being able to launch nuclear weapons or vote for Clinton to keep him away from them. Your conscience is not going to be clean just because you didn’t vote.

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meteor  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:01:10pm

Listening to death metal. It’s calming me down.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:01:23pm

re: #91 Stanley Sea

He’s safe. GOP district.

Dang it!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:01:37pm
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lawhawk  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:02:43pm

re: #92 lawhawk

And here’s the context:

Context that is missing, notably since this is the middle of the summer, and this occurred in February.

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lawhawk  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:03:08pm

re: #95 meteor

Listening to death metal. It’s calming me down.

I find that listening to Metallica and NIN works for me… :)

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:03:14pm

re: #94 Belafon

Either vote for Trump because you have no problem with him being able to launch nuclear weapons or vote for Clinton to keep him away from them. Your conscience is not going to be clean just because you didn’t vote.

I’m from Chicago. My conscience isn’t going to be clean no matter what I do. >:D

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:03:18pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

‘Crimea’ may in Donald Trump’s mind be just a word Donald Trump spouts, but if there’s very much to the videos I’ve seen from Crimea today, The Donald may be in for a rather unpleasant surprise:

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It’s not “just a word” in his mind that he spouts.
It’s Manafort and the Trump camp putting specific language concerning Crimea in the GOP platform.

jeebus

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Split Ticket  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:03:27pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

If anything he is showing he does not know how to use them. Words as well as punctuation go inside the quotes.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:03:46pm

re: #92 lawhawk

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This is proof… of something…

But Trump’s speeches, those are all disposable throwaway lines that when taken as a whole show Trump’s memory is shot, he rambles incoherently, and often contradicts himself on key policy issues - sometimes multiple times in the same sentence or “train” of thought.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:04:15pm

I be slow.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:05:37pm

And Trump and Manafort know exactly what they are doing with the word “Crimea”.

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TedStriker  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:07:49pm

re: #84 Dark_Falcon

As things stand I’m not planning to cast a vote for president.

Nice way to show some backbone and conviction…

/

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:09:43pm

re: #84 Dark_Falcon

As things stand I’m not planning to cast a vote for president.

To not vote in this election is to tacitly condone promised ethnic cleansing. This is a unique opportunity, you’ve been given a once in a lifetime chance to stand up and actively oppose domestic fascism, and you’re going to blow it because of your petty personal feels.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:10:03pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s not “just a word” in his mind that he spouts.
It’s Manafort and the Trump camp putting specific language concerning Crimea in the GOP platform.

jeebus

Cool down, please. I’m not going to bring up the Republican party platform in a comment that was really about my concern relating to the Crimea itself. That I think a Russian attack on Ukraine out of Crimea would hurt Trump is just the secondary point.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:11:39pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:12:33pm

but, of course…

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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:12:59pm

United Way of Otero County ordered to stop gun raffle

There are some upset people in one New Mexico city after a fundraiser for the United Way was shut down because the well-known charity wanted to raffle off guns.

“As Americans of freedom and liberty we have to remember we only have the rights that we stand up for,” said Kerry Maupin, local business owner.

The United Way of Otero County received a letter from United Way World telling them to cease and desist with their fundraiser that would raffle off 108 firearms.

“This is an agenda and I don’t believe that someone’s a non-profit like the United Way should be pushing an agenda, and we all know this is an agenda,” said Maupin.
……
“To say that you know a few people that a certain way, that obviously don’t like guns, think they are a problem to this county that that should apply to everybody, it bothers me deeply,” said Mike Tekell, Alamogordo resident.>

So, United Way stops its OWN gun raffle and exercises some control over its OWN activities and they are somehow violating someone’s rights?

Freepers are on the case as well:

If you are giving to the United Way, stop your donations and let them know why.

So, United Way should actually be punished for determining its own policies.

These people are well and truly demented.

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dangerman  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:16:29pm

Historians see in Trump the biggest liar in presidential politics. Ever

little by little stories are being written….

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Timothy Watson  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:16:30pm

re: #111 Shiplord Kirel

United Way of Otero County ordered to stop gun raffle

So, United Way stops its OWN gun raffle and exercises some control over its OWN activities and they are somehow violating someone’s rights?

Freepers are on the case as well:

So, United Way should actually be punished for determining its own policies.

These people are well and truly demented.

RWNJs have been hating on the United Way for over a decade (since around 9/11 IIRC), just can’t remember what the original basis for it was.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:17:09pm
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Jenner7  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:18:01pm

Doh.

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Split Ticket  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:18:25pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

perfect.

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Jenner7  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:18:29pm

Sorry.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:19:18pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:19:42pm

re: #84 Dark_Falcon

As things stand I’m not planning to cast a vote for president.

Then you are abrogating your responsibility as a citizen and a rational man. If you can’t bring yourself to vote for either Hillary or Trump, then vote for Gary Johnson. He pushes libertarian nutcake ideology but he is miles ahead of Trump in basic knowledge, actual experience, and respect for the process. He can’t win but a good showing will send an important message to the Republican party.

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dangerman  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:20:18pm

re: #84 Dark_Falcon

As things stand I’m not planning to cast a vote for president.

sorry no. said it this morning and i’ll say it again

i’ll say it again

all these principled people - congressmen, harvard republican club, etc who publicly declare they wont vote for trump (endanger our security, recession, no temperament) and /or havent decided on “staying home” or voting third party are unprincipled weasels.

if in your mind trump must not be elected so your principled stance is you cant vote for him then on principle, voting wise, you do all you can to stop him. or you’re an opportunistic weasel.

voting third party or staying home allows you to say “i didnt vote for him”. its not doing all you can.

voting third party or staying home is taking 1/2 vote from trump.

voting for clinton is taking a whole vote from trump

its math

are you already convinced clinton is going to win and so your vote doesnt really matter? sorry - that’s a worse weasel way out absolutely no principle at all. you’re not sacrificing or demonstrating anything. youre not taking a risk or doing anything difficult.

no one knows how you voted and likely wont ask you directly so you wont have to lie. your princples remain intact.

taking a weasely public political stand i guess is expected or understandable for politicans and some public figures.

if hes that dangerous or unpalatable that you cant support your party, then not doing all you can in private is unprincipled weaseling

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mmmirele  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:22:29pm

How I spent my Sunday morning (why yes, that would be me holding the sign):

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Stanley Sea  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:22:39pm

Lest we forget trump’s bizarre letter from his personal Dr.

thedailybeast.com

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CuriousLurker  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:25:20pm

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m guessing that’s about 99.99% due to the family in question being Muslim American.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:26:58pm

re: #113 Timothy Watson

RWNJs have been hating on the United Way for over a decade (since around 9/11 IIRC), just can’t remember what the original basis for it was.

It was over the question of whether funds donated to the United Way (UW) in the aftermath of 9/11 were actually being used aid intended first responder and ‘affected person’ recipients. Bill O’Reilly said that the UW was sitting on funds and not distributing them as it should have.

Note: I’m saying what the hostility causing issue was. I’m not saying O’Reilly was right.

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dangerman  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:27:01pm

re: #99 lawhawk

I find that listening to Metallica and NIN works for me… :)

steely dan

we’re counting down to ecstasy here (dinner)

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CuriousLurker  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:28:21pm

re: #111 Shiplord Kirel

United Way of Otero County ordered to stop gun raffle

So, United Way stops its OWN gun raffle and exercises some control over its OWN activities and they are somehow violating someone’s rights?

Freepers are on the case as well:

So, United Way should actually be punished for determining its own policies.

These people are well and truly demented.

Hmm, I was gonna donate to SPLC this month, but maybe I’ll change it it to United Way.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:28:34pm

Meanwhile, Glenn Greenwald is rushin’ to the defense of Russia again.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:28:54pm

Chicago Trib needs to fix this NOW

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CuriousLurker  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:30:17pm

re: #98 lawhawk

And here’s the context:

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Context that is missing, notably since this is the middle of the summer, and this occurred in February.

OFFS.

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dangerman  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:31:46pm

re: #111 Shiplord Kirel

United Way of Otero County ordered to stop gun raffle

So, United Way stops its OWN gun raffle and exercises some control over its OWN activities and they are somehow violating someone’s rights?

Freepers are on the case as well:

So, United Way should actually be punished for determining its own policies.

These people are well and truly demented.

whole lotta folks felt that way about a recent democratic primary election

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:31:54pm

re: #128 Stanley Sea

Chicago Trib needs to fix this NOW

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I had no idea that being a professional athlete’s wife was an Olympic event…

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Skip Intro  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:32:38pm

re: #67 Charles Johnson

Did somebody mention “the baby”?

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:34:58pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

I had no idea that being a professional athlete’s wife was an Olympic event…

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She won the medal for trap-shooting, and frankly I don’t see what wrong with the Tribune writing about it.

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CuriousLurker  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:35:50pm

Damn, the derp is getting derpier by the day. I hate to think of what peak derp is gonna look & sound like. I though taking a break for most of yesterday would be enough, but it clearly wasn’t—I’m still not in the mood for this absurdity.

Later, lizards.

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bratwurst  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:36:05pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

She won the medal for trap-shooting, and frankly I don’t see what wrong with the Tribune writing about it.

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lawhawk  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:37:00pm

Trump’s ascendancy as the head of the GOP ticket for president reveals all that is wrong with the GOP.

It’s devolved into a party that feeds on the bigotry and hate and ignorance. It’s a party that explicitly seeks nothing but tax cuts that not only disproportionately help the rich at the expense of everyone else, but screws the national budget by not only exploding deficits year over year, but would absolutely require massive service cuts just to cover them.

This is a party that enables a flat out bigot whose “straight talk” is straight out an America First fascist rally. He’s an authoritarian bully who doesn’t know or doesn’t care about politics or the political process. He simply thinks that if he says something, it will be done.

And this doesn’t even begin to touch on his actual ties to Russia’s oligarchs or Putin.

The GOP refused to act on Trump’s rise, because they needed the supporters’ votes. Their voters’ votes.

They cultivated this bigotry and hate, but kept it simmering just below the surface, though it would bubble through occasionally, especially as it relates to women and minorities, but Trump’s unleashed the full metal hate.

And yet the GOP does nothing but try to blame others for their own failures. They sowed the ground on which Trump and the bigot brigade rose. They reaped this bigot brigade. The GOP wants to blame Democrats or liberals for Trump’s rise?

Nope. The politics of personal responsibility is clear.

This is the GOP.

Look in the mirror. You did this to yourself.

Only you can fix your party.

But we can make sure that you don’t irreparably damage the nation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:37:08pm

Here’s a clue, D_F:

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Stanley Sea  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:37:16pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

It was over the question of whether funds donated to the United Way (UW) in the aftermath of 9/11 were actually being used aid intended first responder and ‘affected person’ recipients. Bill O’Reilly said that the UW was sitting on funds and not distributing them as it should have.

Note: I’m saying what the hostility causing issue was. I’m not saying O’Reilly was right.

She won the medal for trap-shooting, and frankly I don’t see what wrong with the Tribune writing about it.

She has a name. The headline relegated her to being a wife of a football player. Shitty, typical headline.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:37:31pm

re: #134 CuriousLurker

Damn, the derp is getting derpier by the day. I hate to think of what peak derp is gonna look & sound like. I though taking a break for most of yesterday would be enough, but it clearly wasn’t—I’m still not in the mood for this absurdity.

Later, lizards.

You’ll never be in the mood for it. Nobody here will be. This is just the shit we have to shovel for the next 3 months.

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Skip Intro  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:37:57pm

re: #128 Stanley Sea

Chicago Trib needs to fix this NOW

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Like “Pro football player’s bitch wins third place somewhere”?

Because that’s what they’re thinking.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:42:09pm

re: #138 Stanley Sea

She has a name. The headline relegated her to being a wife of a football player. Shitty, typical headline.

True, but the Tribune wouldn’t have written an article about her win had she not been married to a Chicago Bears player. Even if she’d won the gold it would’ve just been part of a list without the Bears angle.

It’s Chicago sports, football over all.

Back later.

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CuriousLurker  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:42:39pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

She won the medal for trap-shooting, and frankly I don’t see what wrong with the Tribune writing about it.

I’ll spell it out for you: The paper referred to her as the “wife of a Bears’ lineman” instead of as a sportswoman in her own right, using HER name.

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

You’ll never be in the mood for it. Nobody here will be. This is just the shit we have to shovel for the next 3 months.

No, we don’t. We have the option of focusing our attention elsewhere, which is exactly what I’m getting ready to do.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:43:32pm

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

True, but the Tribune wouldn’t have written an article about her win had she not been married to a Chicago Bears player. Even if she’d won the gold it would’ve just been part of a list without the Bears angle.

It’s Chicago sports, football over all.

Back later.

good freaking grief.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:43:37pm
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Skip Intro  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:44:56pm

I feel like another one.

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dangerman  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:45:05pm

re: #136 lawhawk

Trump’s ascendancy as the head of the GOP ticket for president reveals all that is wrong with the GOP.

It’s devolved into a party that feeds on the bigotry and hate and ignorance. It’s a party that explicitly seeks nothing but tax cuts that not only disproportionately help the rich at the expense of everyone else, but screws the national budget by not only exploding deficits year over year, but would absolutely require massive service cuts just to cover them.

This is a party that enables a flat out bigot whose “straight talk” is straight out an America First fascist rally. He’s an authoritarian bully who doesn’t know or doesn’t care about politics or the political process. He simply thinks that if he says something, it will be done.

And this doesn’t even begin to touch on his actual ties to Russia’s oligarchs or Putin.

The GOP refused to act on Trump’s rise, because they needed the supporters’ votes. Their voters’ votes.

They cultivated this bigotry and hate, but kept it simmering just below the surface, though it would bubble through occasionally, especially as it relates to women and minorities, but Trump’s unleashed the full metal hate.

And yet the GOP does nothing but try to blame others for their own failures. They sowed the ground on which Trump and the bigot brigade rose. They reaped this bigot brigade. The GOP wants to blame Democrats or liberals for Trump’s rise?

Nope. The politics of personal responsibility is clear.

This is the GOP.

Look in the mirror. You did this to yourself.

Only you can fix your party.

But we can make sure that you don’t irreparably damage the nation.

“as a republican i cant vote for him. and i could never vote for her. so i guess im ok if he wins”

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CuriousLurker  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:45:07pm

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

True, but the Tribune wouldn’t have written an article about her win had she not been married to a Chicago Bears player. Even if she’d won the gold it would’ve just been part of a list without the Bears angle.

It’s Chicago sports, football over all.

Back later.

Another chickenshit comment where you post something you know is going to get pushback, then run. That’s really lame.

Yeah, I said I was gonna go do something else. This is partially why. Ugh.

Later, lizards.

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Belafon  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:45:30pm

re: #70 Belafon

I wanted to emphasize this for D_F and anyone else who might be waffling:

Throwing away your vote on a message no one will hear, and which will change no outcome, is sometimes presented as ‘voting your conscience’, but that’s got it exactly backwards; your conscience is what keeps you from doing things that feel good to you but hurt other people. Citizens who vote for third-party candidates, write-in candidates, or nobody aren’t voting their conscience, they are voting their ego, unable to accept that a system they find personally disheartening actually applies to them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:45:48pm

So, according to someone here, unless you are married to a Chicago Bear, winning any kind of Olympic medal, even gold, is not newsworthy.
Especially if you are a Chicago-area woman.

Good to know.

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Belafon  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:50:35pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is actually in the article:

The Bears open their preseason schedule Thursday against the Broncos at Soldier Field.

I wonder if she’s playing for the Bears now.

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dangerman  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:50:46pm

re: #148 Belafon

I wanted to emphasize this for D_F and anyone else who might be waffling:

“character is what you do when no one’s looking”
say, in the voting booth

i care less about the public posturing than the actual voting

i suggested last week that its more than remotely possible that the polls will not reflect actual voting. i think i lot of people wont say theyll vote for clinton, theyll just do it

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:50:55pm

heh

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Belafon  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:52:06pm

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

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dangerman  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:52:30pm

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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didnt take long
sometimes i love the internets

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:53:05pm
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lawhawk  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:57:02pm

re: #153 Belafon

The night that Bill spoke at the DNC after Hillary was nominated by the party, the front page at the Times wasn’t of Hillary when she made her appearance with Bill, but of Bill by himself.

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Belafon  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:57:13pm

There’s an idiot in the replies that keeps repeating “All you have to do is click the link.”

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Split Ticket  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:57:37pm

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

That is a good response. It would be even better if her husband were to say he was proud of his wife and what she did.

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TedStriker  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:58:13pm

re: #146 dangerman

“as a republican i cant vote for him. and i could never vote for her. so i guess im ok if he wins”

I’ll say this to Dark as succinctly as I can, using words I know he’d have no issues with if they came from a Republican:

“You’re either with us (making sure that Trump doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell in becoming President by voting for Hillary) or you’re against us (by either voting for Trump, Stein, Johnson or not at all).”

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Belafon  Aug 7, 2016 • 3:58:50pm

re: #156 lawhawk

The night that Bill spoke at the DNC after Hillary was nominated by the party, the front page at the Times wasn’t of Hillary when she made her appearance with Bill, but of Bill by himself.

I noticed that. Virtually none of the images used in any newspapers were of her. The only defense I can give to that, though, is that she only appeared right at the end in the video screens following the glass breaking effects. The pictures used in the headlines were of people who spoke that night.

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dangerman  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:00:35pm

Rick Wilson: Beat him like a drum: Donald Trump must not just lose in November; to correct the institutions he’s broken, he must suffer a humiliating defeat

i didnt see where he said who he’s voting for
maybe he just wont say it out loud - because someone who writes a scathing op-ed like this has to use all, rather than just 1/2 his vote against trump, dontcha think?

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Nyet  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:02:55pm

re: #100 Dark_Falcon

I’m from Chicago. My conscience isn’t going to be clean no matter what I do. >:D

Voting for a Dem against Trump is a civic duty. It’s that simple.

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dangerman  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:03:45pm

re: #159 TedStriker

I’ll say this to Dark as succinctly as I can, using words I know he’d have no issues with if they came from a Republican:

“You’re either with us (making sure that Trump doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell in becoming President by voting for Hillary) or you’re against us (by either voting for Trump or not voting at all).”

yup. there are lots of different ways to say this
sometimes to get what you want (no trump) you have to do something you’d rather, or otherwise, not do (clinton)

happens in life, business, family, etc all the time. i dont get why voting the same logic is so difficult (of course i do….visceral and emotional vs cold and calculated)

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Nyet  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:06:44pm

re: #161 dangerman

I think he’s made very clear who he will be voting for.

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dangerman  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:11:43pm

their visceral hatred for clinton (however derived or justified (or not)) still overpowers what they know they ought to do - 100% vote against trump

i do wonder if it would be that way with any D

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dangerman  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:12:43pm

re: #164 Nyet

I think he’s made very clear who he will be voting for.

i confess it was long and i didnt read the whole thing. did he state it outright or just make it very clear, as you say?

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blueraven  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:12:51pm

Wow. Venus and Serena Williams knocked out by Czech Republic in women’s doubles, Rio.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:14:10pm

hot take from Jake:

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:14:24pm

re: #163 dangerman

yup. there are lots of different ways to say this
sometimes to get what you want (no trump) you have to do something you’d rather, or otherwise, not do (clinton)

happens in life, business, family, etc all the time. i dont get why voting the same logic is so difficult (of course i do….visceral and emotional vs cold and calculated)

Trump plays “you can’t always get what you want” at some of his rallies.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:17:00pm

HOUSTON — A federal prosecutor says the Aryan Brotherhood of Texas is in “absolute chaos” after nearly 75 people were convicted following a six-year investigation into the white supremacist gang, but others warn the crime network won’t be brought down by a single bust.

The U.S. Justice Department secured a combined total of 900 years in prison time for the convicted Aryan Brotherhood members after a federal probe that began in 2008, the Houston Chronicle reported Sunday. A review of records, court documents, transcripts and interviews by the newspaper found that the roughly 2,000-member gang is now struggling to rebuild.

“They are in chaos, absolute chaos,” said David Karpel, a Department of Justice attorney who spearheaded the prosecutions. “It has reduced their power; they don’t know who to trust.”

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lawhawk  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:17:57pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump’s Texas outreach takes big hit.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:19:19pm

re: #171 lawhawk

Trump’s Texas outreach takes big hit.

Beat me to it lol.

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dangerman  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:20:03pm

re: #151 dangerman

“character is what you do when no one’s looking”
say, in the voting booth

i care less about the public posturing than the actual voting

i suggested last week that its more than remotely possible that the polls will not reflect actual voting. i think i lot of people wont say theyll vote for clinton, theyll just do it

just saw this comment at dkos:

“Here’s another wrinkle: I have a sneaking suspicion that many Republican women are telling their family, friends and pollsters that they plan to vote for Trump, but come November in the privacy of the voting booth they will secretly vote for Clinton.”

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Targetpractice  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:21:25pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

hot take from Jake:

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Well no, but to prosecute somebody for mishandling of classified materials, you have to prove that they knew that the materials were classified. And the easiest way to do so is to have the materials marked as such. Otherwise you’re left arguing that the defendant “should have” known, which holds little weight because we don’t convict people based upon opinions.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:21:40pm

jeebus, he just can’t stop…

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Nyet  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:22:12pm

re: #166 dangerman

It automatically follows from the title. You don’t write an article like this only to sit out an election or vote for 3rd party. A literal case of “goes without saying”.

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freetoken  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:22:36pm

CBS jumps on the Drumpfskind campaign bandwagon by deciding to re-run an old story:

Heroin in the Heartland

There is no other reason to rerun an old story but to exploit the now hot-button word of “heroin”. The story does not contain new information. It’s a Nov 2015 broadcast on TV.

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dangerman  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:24:56pm

re: #176 Nyet

It automatically follows from the title. You don’t write an article like this only to sit out an election or vote for 3rd party. A literal case of “goes without saying”.

maybe it’s a bridge too far
in this environment i’d like them to start saying it explicitly

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freetoken  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:26:42pm

I also note how blithely ABC puts together this story:

Charlotte Church Backs Trump, Campaign Reaches out to Black Voters

Donald Trump’s campaign is trying to make inroads with African-Americans, as an ABC News/Washington Post poll finds that just 2 percent of black voters support the businessman in his run for president.

Prominent surrogates including his daughter-in-law Lara Trump, national spokeswoman Katrina Pierson, former “The Apprentice” contestant Omarosa Manigault, and Pastor Mark Burns campaigned today at historically black church Antioch Road to Glory International Ministries in Charlotte, North Carolina.

The church is now publicly supporting Trump, hosting a town hall today billed as “A Day of Endorsement.”

[…]

No background given of Drumpfskind’s representatives. No mention of Pierson’s outrageous claims. Not even any report on content of what was said at the “outreach”.

However, the headline, and most people only see headlines, sez Drumpfskind is reaching “out to Black Voters” which makes Drumpfskind sound all inclusive and everything.

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Skip Intro  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:28:54pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Did they lose many Congressmen?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:31:34pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:32:45pm

re: #179 freetoken

I also note how blithely ABC puts together this story:

Charlotte Church Backs Trump, Campaign Reaches out to Black Voters

No background given of Drumpfskind’s representatives. No mention of Pierson’s outrageous claims. Not even any report on content of what was said at the “outreach”.

However, the headline, and most people only see headlines, sez Drumpfskind is reaching “out to Black Voters” which makes Drumpfskind sound all inclusive and everything.

I read the headline, and thought it referred to the singer, Charlotte Church, who’s British.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:35:50pm

Hah! Look who has the first visible reply to Trump’s “THE BABY” tweet…

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lawhawk  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:36:16pm
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freetoken  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:38:35pm

The US news consumption, the “media” as we put the industry into one lump, is quite the thing when looked at from the outside.

I noticed yesterday that there was almost nothing about Hiroshima, even with all the talk from Drumpfskind about Japan, putting Japan back on the US political map.

Anyway, JSTOR brings us an interesting tidbit that also reveals how little we Americans learn about history even of the English speaking world:

WHY WAS ROGER CASEMENT HANGED?

I don’t remember if I was ever taught in school about the Irish-British fighting. Contemporary to my life - the IRA, etc, - yes, those things I think were covered. But not the background.

I think about all the couch-fainting right-wingers did when Obama got rid of that statue of Churchill. One of the stupider outrages, as if the scale of stupidity had to be recalibrated. Yet the events of 1916 are just one more example of how many black marks the British Empire had on its long list actions.

Anyway, I remark again on how narrow is the focus of so much media, especially the cable news networks and network news programs. Obsessed as they are in driving their ratings through hot button click-bait, so much of the world around us goes unnoticed.

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lawhawk  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:38:43pm

re: #183 Charles Johnson

I’m curious as to what Trump thinks was a distortion about Trump’s position on nukes.

That he said he’d consider using them against IS?
That he asked about use at a briefing earlier this year?

Because he always yaps about how he’s taken out of context, but never actually rebuts it when the evidence shows the reporting was accurate.

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Skip Intro  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:39:02pm

Remember this from earlier today?

My letters are so great

I write fabulous letters. If you read all the letters I have written, you would agree. You would love them. Other letter writers are weak, soft and out of touch. I’m not like that, and I’m sure if you are reading this you aren’t either.

This paper really needs great letters, and I am awesome at letter writing.

Other letter writers might attack me, but then they go away. They don’t have what it takes to keep writing great letters. I have what it takes to write the best letters. Letter writers who disagree need to be punched in the face and run out of town.

I guarantee this letter will be picked as letter of the month. If it isn’t picked, it will prove that this letter writing contest is rigged.

Terry Vaught, Dover

The paper edited out his closer, which is included below.

My letters are so great I’m going to build a wall and put my letters on them. Then I’ll get the other letter writers to pay for building the wall.’

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Skip Intro  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:40:26pm

re: #186 lawhawk

The context must be in his head. Maybe he should express it sometime.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:40:41pm

re: #186 lawhawk

He knows he doesn’t have to back up anything he says with facts or arguments. His followers don’t care, and the media just lets him get away with it most of the time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:43:28pm

Looks like the Trib got the message:

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b_sharp  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:44:43pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

This guy “Taylor Britsch” who says he’s a “math and science educator” has been spamming this bullshit to everyone who tweets about the poll.

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Ask him if he bothered to look at the raw data.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:47:39pm

re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah, but that still doesn’t absolve them from the terrible first headline.

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lawhawk  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:50:31pm

re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth

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TedStriker  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:53:34pm

re: #192 Eclectic Cyborg

Yeah, but that still doesn’t absolve them from the terrible first headline.

While, as someone who studied journalism in college, I understand why the Tribune initially ID’ed Cogdell-Unrein that way (readers would be more likely to know who her husband, as a Chicago Bear, is than who she is), but it still comes off sexist and a bit tone-deaf.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:55:04pm

Is the NBC coverage of the Olympics regional?

People are saying gymnastics is on now - Not on my TV. Wondering if it will be 8pm West Coast? (I’m thinking they are East Coast)

anyone?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:56:44pm

Deleted Comments Of The Week: Wonkette Got Its Very Own Rooshian Troll!

Yes, yes, we know the USSR is defunct. Whatevs.
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lawhawk  Aug 7, 2016 • 4:57:14pm

re: #195 Stanley Sea

Here in NJ, they’re running gymnastics (although the competition was earlier and they’re doing tape delay).

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Stanley Sea  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:02:14pm

re: #197 lawhawk

Here in NJ, they’re running gymnastics (although the competition was earlier and they’re doing tape delay).

Hmmmm. I guess I’ll just keep checking.

Canada USA men’s volleyball on for me now.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:02:23pm

Chuck C. Johnson HUGE BREAKING BOMBSHELL SCOOP about the John McCain audio recording one of his stooges found in the National Archives is ALL OVER THE FRONT PAGES!

No, wait. I meant, who cares? Basically nobody.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:04:52pm

re: #199 Charles Johnson

Chuck C. Johnson HUGE BREAKING BOMBSHELL SCOOP about the John McCain audio recording one of his stooges found in the National Archives is ALL OVER THE FRONT PAGES!

No, wait. I meant, who cares? Basically nobody.

That was one of WeSearchr’s scams, to raise money for something that’s essentially in the public domain.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:06:52pm

Trump daughter-in-law’s Hillary insult fizzles when she forgets ‘definition of insanity’ quote

“How sad it is to lose one’s mind.”

—J. Danforth Quayle

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gocart mozart  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:11:36pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:12:24pm

There appear to be only two positions one can hold WRT Russia and Putin’s attempts to influence our election. Either one denies such a thing completely, or one is trying to reignite the Cold War.

Doesn’t it seem odd that you can’t be concerned without being laughed at and told the USSR is gone?

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:13:41pm

From Gothamist: Staten Island Man’s Huge Trump Sign Goes Up In Flames

A Staten Island man woke up early this morning to find his large “T” lawn sign, erected in support of Donald Trump, caught in a roaring fire. Sam Pirozzolo told the Post that his 12-foot wooden star-striped and spangled sign was doused with gasoline and lit ablaze at roughly 1 a.m. Sunday. Neighbors spotted the tall flames and rang Pirozzolo’s doorbell, telling him, “Your T’s on fire.”

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gocart mozart  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:17:11pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:18:46pm

re: #204 De Kolta Chair

From Gothamist: Staten Island Man’s Huge Trump Sign Goes Up In Flames

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This just goes to show that anyone opposed to Trump is consumed with hate and ready to engage in destructive, violent activity.

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freetoken  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:19:15pm

Ice getting mighty thin at the north pole:

Image: arcticictn_nowcast_anim30d.gif

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gocart mozart  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:20:01pm
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fern01  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:23:49pm

re: #161 dangerman

Rick Wilson: Beat him like a drum: Donald Trump must not just lose in November; to correct the institutions he’s broken, he must suffer a humiliating defeat

i didnt see where he said who he’s voting for
maybe he just wont say it out loud - because someone who writes a scathing op-ed like this has to use all, rather than just 1/2 his vote against trump, dontcha think?

I’m still trying to fathom why he thinks “We’ll lose religious liberty” under Pres Clinton. Sure seems the opposite to me.

He has a few anti Hillary statements in that piece that will convince a few they should vote for Trump

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gocart mozart  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:26:07pm
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Brian J.  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:26:19pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

He’s not going to win or hoenstly come close doing that poorly with non white voters.

Honestly, I’d be surprised if he does that well. Romney won 19% of the nonwhite vote, and Trump’s doing worse than Romney with black and Hispanic voters in most surveys.

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gocart mozart  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:27:54pm
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Brian J.  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:27:57pm

re: #201 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Trump daughter-in-law’s Hillary insult fizzles when she forgets ‘definition of insanity’ quote

That’s “When you take the UNCF model that, what a waste it is to lose one’s mind, or not to have a mind is being very wasteful, how true that is.”

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nines09  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:29:37pm

Evening all. Rio Olympics are rolling along. USA Women Gymnastics Team , are poised to grab another Gold. My daughter competes in college and knows the total sacrifice given by these girls. I’m proud to have been immersed in that world for all these years. I can appreciate a good performance and this performance from 1988 by Paul Hunt is a keeper. Sanity break.

1988 Paul Hunt gymnastics comedy beam routine

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Skip Intro  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:30:51pm

re: #213 Brian J.

That’s “When you take the UNCF model that, what a waste it is to lose one’s mind, or not to have a mind is being very wasteful, how true that is.”

Jeez! He really did say that, didn’t he? The man was ahead of his time for a GOP VP.

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gocart mozart  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:31:38pm
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lawhawk  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:32:03pm

re: #202 gocart mozart

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:32:27pm

re: #213 Brian J.

That’s “When you take the UNCF model that, what a waste it is to lose one’s mind, or not to have a mind is being very wasteful, how true that is.”

Yeah, I should have looked it up. When he said that, I was still dazed by how easy it was to get to Mars because Mars is in the same orbit as the Earth, I guess.

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Brian J.  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:34:22pm

re: #218 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yeah, I should have looked it up. When he said that, I was still dazed by how easy it was to get to Mars because Mars is in the same orbit as the Earth, I guess.

Oh, he had a million of them. “I believe we are on an irreversible trend towards more freedom and democracy, but that could change.”

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Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:34:48pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:40:29pm
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Stanley Sea  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:41:13pm

re: #204 De Kolta Chair

From Gothamist: Staten Island Man’s Huge Trump Sign Goes Up In Flames

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SAD!

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Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:43:49pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:43:59pm

re: #222 Stanley Sea

SAD!

But Trump’s totally going to win New York!

(Bear in mind this was Staten Fucking Island.)

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:46:16pm

Trump Flogging New Book, “How To Make A Billion Dollars By Bankrupting Multiple Businesses, Stiffing Your Contractors, Ruining People’s Lives, And Really Enjoy Doing It”

points out that it is perfectly legal to make money while residing in the new jersey state hospital for the criminally insane

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gocart mozart  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:49:01pm
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Stanley Sea  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:50:16pm

OT dinner: Corn on the cob & a baked yam.

SAD that a lot of butter is required. Fuck it.

I used to have my ex-Mother-in-law’s corn on the cob dishes, I must have decided I didn’t need them anymore. :(((

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Great White Snark  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:50:58pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:53:03pm
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BeachDem  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:54:42pm

My day:
Got up at 2:45 am to make a 5:00 am flight. So far, so good. Plane on time. Get home at 7:30 am, thinking of sleep, walk in and it’s 86 degrees—a/c is out.

AC guy comes 20 minutes after I call him—double service charge because Sunday, but hey, worth every penny.

Drag ass around the rest of the day, and friends had to drop something off, so I go out to meet them in the parking lot. We’re talking away, and a neighbor walks by—walking his dog. Goes into his condo, leaves the dog, and comes back out to interrupt our conversation to announce that he’s a big Trump fan, and that Hillary should go to prison (he saw the Dem bumper stickers on my friends’ car)—just would NOT shut up with his bullshit. Said he has a “video” we should come and watch and it will totally convince us all. I rolled my eyes and said, “Let me guess—source: Alex Jones.”

Of course, he lights up and says he’s a huge Alex Jones fan, that Alex is “the man” and that he (the neighbor) is a competitive body builder and that Alex Jones’ supplements are the best thing since sliced bread.

I just said, “I gotta go” and ran to my door—figured my friends were in a car and could make a cleaner getaway if I moved. Unfuckingbelievable—not only stupid and obnoxious, but totally rude. That’s South Carolina Republicans for you. Spit.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:57:52pm

re: #227 Stanley Sea

OT dinner: Corn on the cob & a baked yam.

SAD that a lot of butter is required. Fuck it.

I used to have my ex-Mother-in-law’s corn on the cob dishes, I must have decided I didn’t need them anymore. :(((

I learned last week that my 98 year old Dad still has his own teeth, with which he still eats corn on the cob. He’d eat it every night if he could. My sister left a weekly menu for the Visiting Angels women who take care of him during the week - corn on the cob every night, with a dozen ears from the farm stand in the fridge.

The women decided Dad didn’t really want corn on the cob EVERY NIGHT. HA! Even back when he could remember what he had to eat last night, he’d eat corn every night through the good corn season!

So, we had a good visit, if a little nerve-wracking, having to take care of him on our own for most of 3 days, but we had fresh corn every day!!!

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Stanley Sea  Aug 7, 2016 • 5:58:59pm

re: #231 BeachDem

Damn.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:03:09pm

Wow. My tweets are showing up as the first replies to Trump’s Gateway Pundit link again. I seem to have developed some kind of super power lately.

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jaunte  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:04:22pm

re: #234 Charles Johnson

Is that a feature of having the blue checkmark?

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Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:04:30pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well, there goes Trump’s Texas GOTV infrastructure…

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gocart mozart  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:05:53pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:06:21pm

Dunno - I guess it might be.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:06:41pm
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Skip Intro  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:06:54pm

re: #236 Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)

Well, there goes Trump’s Texas GOTV infrastructure…

Too bad they missed the governor and AG.

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gocart mozart  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:11:28pm
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Stanley Sea  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:15:35pm
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Stanley Sea  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:16:54pm

re: #239 Charles Johnson

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Pfawwwwwwwww

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gocart mozart  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:19:25pm
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TedStriker  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:20:24pm

re: #242 Stanley Sea

‘Anti-Obama’ Diner Owner Who Hates Welfare Recipients Convicted Of Welfare Fraud winningdemocrats.com

— Brasilmagic (@Brasilmagic) August 8, 2016

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:26:06pm

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, according to someone here, unless you are married to a Chicago Bear, winning any kind of Olympic medal, even gold, is not newsworthy.
Especially if you are a Chicago-area woman.

Good to know.

I wasn’t trying to say that. I was trying to say what Chicago’s local media find to be newsworthy.

And when I said “football over all”, I was not intending to praise such a way of thinking (though I do like NFL football).

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Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:27:48pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:28:53pm
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Dark_Falcon  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:29:47pm

re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth

Looks like the Trib got the message:

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And this is a time when I’m happy to have been proven wrong.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:29:49pm

re: #237 gocart mozart

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Man, I love this part:

The Right has spent 25 years and billions of dollars manufacturing an electoral Doomsday Machine with no “off” switch.

The Left has spent those 25 years telling anyone who would listen (nobody listened) that this was a really horrible idea, that the Right was playing with dark and primal forces which they would never be able to control, and that one day the damn thing would kill us all.

The Center and the mainstream media spent most of those 25 years mocking and marginalizing the Left and helping the Right pretend that no such bigot-and-Bible-powered Doomsday Machine existed at all.

Well, now the Doomsday Machine which the Right built, the Center and the media lied about and the Left warned against is operating at peak efficiency. But instead of incinerating Evil Liberals, it is indiscriminately destroying anything in its path, while the bigots and imbeciles and various other Conservative Pakleds who operate the thing —

Star Trek: The Next Generation - Samaritan Snare - Pakleds are strong

— whoop and holler and high-five each other.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:30:26pm

re: #246 Dark_Falcon

I wasn’t trying to say that. I was trying to say what Chicago’s local media find to be newsworthy.

And when I said “football over all”, I was not intending to praise such a way of thinking (though I do like NFL football).

Yanno, I really do understand the Chicago media & glorification of the Bears, but damn, that was just so rude. The Trib is usually a great source. They fucked up.

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BeachDem  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:31:29pm

medium.com

Compare and contrast (roll call groups at conventions)

My friend, Sally, (the one who my wingnut neighbor was trying to Trumpify early tonight) is front left in the SC pic.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:32:30pm

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:33:54pm

re: #251 Stanley Sea

Yanno, I really do understand the Chicago media & glorification of the Bears, but damn, that was just so rude. The Trib is usually a great source. They fucked up.

Thankfully, they have now corrected their error.

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bratwurst  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:34:22pm

re: #249 Dark_Falcon

And this is a time when I’m happy to have been proven wrong.

I would say you and the Trib were equally clueless a few hours ago.

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:34:29pm

Newsweek, Oct. 31, 1994:

Courtesy of Jim Romenesko
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gocart mozart  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:35:15pm
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Stanley Sea  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:35:15pm

re: #252 BeachDem

Yes Sally!!!

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gocart mozart  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:36:48pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:38:17pm

This guy. He lives in a cheesy house with fake columns on the kitchen cabinets.

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teleskiguy  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:38:29pm
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William Lewis  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:39:50pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

When the other side doesn’t believe itself fairly beaten and it retains the power to block most large-scale initiatives.

This is why I lit a candle earlier today while praying the Lady for Hillary to win with at least 60 Democratic Senators. That’s the only way we can save the nation and begin repairing the damage done from Reagan till now.

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darthstar  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:40:15pm

This is why I like the Olympics. It’s for these moments I tune in at all.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:43:15pm

Was that shit about the Olympics chastising the Pope for using the #rio2016 real? or fake? I just don’t understand, as everyone is using the #rio2016……..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:43:24pm

hugs all around…laterz, lizardz!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:43:44pm

re: #260 Charles Johnson

This guy. He lives in a cheesy house with fake columns on the kitchen cabinets.

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Hey, ALEX! Obama wants you to give up eating biscuits covered in melted lard for breakfast! And he says salad is good! And so’s portion control! Oh, and cigarettes are really, really bad for you!

Let’s see if we can get him to ruin his health out of spite.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:46:47pm

re: #262 William Lewis

There’s not that many competitive seats, William.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:48:02pm

re: #260 Charles Johnson

Just looking at that photo makes my gout act up.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:50:17pm
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Belafon  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:50:41pm

You gotta go see the car here: dailykos.com.

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William Lewis  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:51:47pm

re: #267 Dark_Falcon

There’s not that many competitive seats, William.

Depends on how harsh Trump thumps the GOP, DF. When you start seeing polls - probably outliers at this point but still - showing him 15 points back that’s going to gut the downstream races as well.

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William Lewis  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:52:52pm

re: #268 Dark_Falcon

Just looking at that photo makes my gout act up.

Doubled my cholesterol numbers just seeing it. Hell, I grew up raising beef and I find that obscene.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:54:36pm

re: #272 William Lewis

Doubled my cholesterol numbers just seeing it. Hell, I grew up raising beef and I find that obscene.

Depending on how many people it’s for, it’s not bad. Costco often has USDA Prime Tri Tip for $7.99/lb. You’d be astonished how short a time 5 lbs of that lasts in this house!

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Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:55:39pm
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William Lewis  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:56:42pm

re: #267 Dark_Falcon

BTW, meant to ask have you been following Manic’s 3 part series on the Panther? I would think so, but good stuff. I pity the unfortunate Germans who got stuck with it - too many advances to be reliable & too many bad decisions in the design process. The PZ IVG/H/J would have been a better place to face the hordes of Shermans coming from the setting sun… :D

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Stanley Sea  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:57:44pm

re: #272 William Lewis

Doubled my cholesterol numbers just seeing it. Hell, I grew up raising beef and I find that obscene.

It looks great for 15. But fuck him.

Remember when Van Jones was run out due to a weird post on a website that was 9/11 truther?

trump’s main supporter is a bona fide 9/11 truther.

Bringing it back, IOKIYAR

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:58:31pm

re: #270 Belafon

You gotta go see the car here: dailykos.com.

Hey, I’m old enough to remember 2-stroke SAABs and DKWs. I encountered one SAAB once that I swore must have reversed the proportions when they were mixing their gas and oil—it was laying down a smokescreen like a WWII destroyer. SAABs and DKWs were better built, I’ll give you that.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 7, 2016 • 6:59:32pm

re: #275 William Lewis

BTW, meant to ask have you been following Manic’s 3 part series on the Panther? I would think so, but good stuff. I pity the unfortunate Germans who got stuck with it - too many advances to be reliable & too many bad decisions in the design process. The PZ IVG/H/J would have been a better place to face the hordes of Shermans coming from the setting sun… :D

Yeah, I watched parts 2 and 3 earlier today. I also saw your “Girls in Panzer” comment and thought that I should introduce to some members of my gaming group who are fond of that anime series.

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Sherlock Hound  Aug 7, 2016 • 7:00:19pm

re: #231 BeachDem

I’m fighting with a friend over her turn in wingnut-land. As many other people have observed, as soon as you bring up Alex Jones, Breitbart, et.al., people’s eyes light up with delight. My rage increases in proportion.

I give up. We really do have our own facts. Maybe I can still suck up to Trump’s gauleiters while there’s still time. My disabled friend who so loves Breitbart will need to do the same.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 7, 2016 • 7:01:36pm

Y’all are gonna love this one:

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 7, 2016 • 7:05:51pm

re: #231 BeachDem

My day:
Got up at 2:45 am to make a 5:00 am flight. So far, so good. Plane on time. Get home at 7:30 am, thinking of sleep, walk in and it’s 86 degrees—a/c is out.

AC guy comes 20 minutes after I call him—double service charge because Sunday, but hey, worth every penny.

Drag ass around the rest of the day, and friends had to drop something off, so I go out to meet them in the parking lot. We’re talking away, and a neighbor walks by—walking his dog. Goes into his condo, leaves the dog, and comes back out to interrupt our conversation to announce that he’s a big Trump fan, and that Hillary should go to prison (he saw the Dem bumper stickers on my friends’ car)—just would NOT shut up with his bullshit. Said he has a “video” we should come and watch and it will totally convince us all. I rolled my eyes and said, “Let me guess—source: Alex Jones.”

Of course, he lights up and says he’s a huge Alex Jones fan, that Alex is “the man” and that he (the neighbor) is a competitive body builder and that Alex Jones’ supplements are the best thing since sliced bread.

I just said, “I gotta go” and ran to my door—figured my friends were in a car and could make a cleaner getaway if I moved. Unfuckingbelievable—not only stupid and obnoxious, but totally rude. That’s South Carolina Republicans for you. Spit.

South Carolina is actually in play this year. Imagine the satisfaction you’ll get if Clinton carries S.C.!

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BeachDem  Aug 7, 2016 • 7:10:00pm

re: #281 Big Beautiful Door

South Carolina is actually in play this year. Imagine the satisfaction you’ll get if Clinton carries S.C.!

I know—we even have an official field director here! And they’re not going to devote all efforts to NC as we’ve always done. The email from our state chair yesterday said she’s within the margin of error here! Unbelievable, but exciting.

Hillary really does have a 50 state strategy.

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William Lewis  Aug 7, 2016 • 7:10:05pm

re: #278 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, I watched parts 2 and 3 earlier today. I also saw your “Girls in Panzer” comment and thought that I should introduce to some members of my gaming group who are fond of that anime series.

Heh. Yeah, the setup was just too good to let it go. I get a hoot out of how carefully drawn the tanks are as well as the attention to the relative strengths and weaknesses. The rest is a grade a hilarious farce (in the classic comedy sense) that just makes it all the more fun.

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Frankie Five Angels  Aug 7, 2016 • 7:12:22pm

re: #242 Stanley Sea

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 7, 2016 • 7:13:03pm

re: #283 William Lewis

Heh. Yeah, the setup was just too good to let it go. I get a hoot out of how carefully drawn the tanks are as well as the attention to the relative strengths and weaknesses. The rest is a grade a hilarious farce (in the classic comedy sense) that just makes it all the more fun.

I may try it after the election.

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teleskiguy  Aug 7, 2016 • 7:13:14pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 7, 2016 • 7:15:13pm
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William Lewis  Aug 7, 2016 • 7:23:02pm

re: #285 Dark_Falcon

I may try it after the election.

You haven’t watched it? Oh, my, the things you are missing. Especially the last battle… O_O

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 7, 2016 • 8:11:39pm

re: #84 Dark_Falcon

If you do not vote for the President this cycle, then be prepared to be merciessly mocked whenver you say anything about the next president.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 7, 2016 • 8:30:02pm

re: #200 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I hope GotNwes has that exclusive scoop!

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BeenHereAwhile  Aug 7, 2016 • 8:59:21pm

re: #14 stpaulbear

I’m of a certain age where every time I see ‘4chan’, my mind instantly goes to the ‘quadraphonic revolution’ of the mid 70s. I’d just as soon keep it that way by avoiding any contact with modern 4chan.

I’ve Had Enough.

(Quadrophenia, Drumming by Keith Moon)

I’ve had enough

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steve_davis  Aug 8, 2016 • 3:15:24am

re: #34 stpaulbear

LOL. Last week I watched a couple of documentaries about CSN (&Y) and thought the same about all of them. One of the architects that I worked with who recently retired was a dead ringer for Crosby, and I can’t tell you how glad I was when he retired. Even when he knew he was wrong, he was just better than you.

for fun, there’s a Rolling Stones page up on something like the “10 most stoned concerts of all time” and the 1974 CSN tour is basically number one. There’s a clip of them doing “Almost Cut my Hair” and Crosby is so thoroughly stoned on coke that his face is basically self-illuminating. Stephen Stills can’t open his eyes. Apparently Stills was so completely fucked up by the end of the tour that he believed he’d fought in Vietnam.

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Nojay UK  Aug 8, 2016 • 3:22:54am

re: #283 William Lewis

There’s a Korean manga artist called Anyan who does a wonderful 4-koma manga strip (four panel gags) called Flight High School, about a Japanese girl’s high school where all the students are military aircraft. Technically very accurate and, if you’re into military things incredibly funny in places. Fans do unofficial English translations of the strips when they come out and you can read them on sites like this one, Batoto.

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Great White Snark  Aug 8, 2016 • 2:05:26pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

She won the medal for trap-shooting, and frankly I don’t see what wrong with the Tribune writing about it.

How about they actually use her name?


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