Sara Bareilles, “She Used to Be Mine”

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Go ahead, call me a sap. But this song from Sara Bareilles’ excellent work on the Waitress musical is really moving. If you listen to it in the right frame of mind, it just might bring a tear to your jaded eye.

The whole album is terrific, by the way, and I highly recommend it.

Sara Bareilles sings “She Used to Be Mine” from WAITRESS the new musical based on the film by Adrienne Shelly which premiered at the A.R.T. at Harvard University on August 2, 2015 and closed September 27, 2015.

Book by Jessie Nelson
Music and Lyrics by Sara Bareilles
Based upon the motion picture written by Adrienne Shelly
Choreographed by Chase Brock
Directed by Diane Paulus

The A.R.T. cast included Jessie Mueller as Jenna, Drew Gehling as Dr. Pomatter, and Joe Tippett as Earl.

For more information visit http://americanrepertorytheater.org/events/show/waitress

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466 comments
1
Stanley Sea  Aug 7, 2016 • 7:21:49pm

Synchronized diving = insane

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 7, 2016 • 7:22:47pm
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freetoken  Aug 7, 2016 • 7:23:26pm

Big Brother is all high tech and stuff:

BBC to deploy detection vans to snoop on internet users

All well and good, I suppose, given the BBC is supposed to be supported by its viewers. But the Telegraph writer sez this:

Instead, electrical engineering experts said that the most likely explanation for how the BBC would carry out its surveillance was a technique known as “packet sniffing”, which involves watching traffic passing over a wireless internet network without hacking into the connection or breaking its encryption.

I know that Brit English is different than American English, but I think the word “hacking” is being used here in too narrow a sense. I think what they really mean is that the technique doesn’t insert the BBC between the WiFi origination and the reception. What the BBC is doing is detecting packet size arrangements to see which ones fit their own packets created for iPlayer.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 7, 2016 • 7:30:12pm

Non-doctor ‘pharma bro’ Martin Shkreli claims Clinton has Parkinson’s after jokes with reporters

But Reagan? “Alzheimer’s? What Alzheimer’s?”

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 7, 2016 • 7:30:17pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2016 • 7:32:22pm
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Sherlock Hound  Aug 7, 2016 • 7:40:30pm

Update on that Dutch lady cyclist who crashed:
gizmodo.com

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Jenner7  Aug 7, 2016 • 7:41:12pm
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William Lewis  Aug 7, 2016 • 7:45:12pm

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

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I tried to show that to a Jillbot earlier and the twit complained that he doesn’t follow YouTube links because he caught viruses from videos… < facepalm >

I’m as leftist as it gets - a real democratic marxist socialist but that twit is what really gives us a bad name.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 7, 2016 • 7:45:12pm

re: #7 Sherlock Hound

Update on that Dutch lady cyclist who crashed:
gizmodo.com

Yikes, that crash….

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Stanley Sea  Aug 7, 2016 • 7:49:39pm

yup, West Coast is now able to watch the gymnastics.

I love the stories.

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teleskiguy  Aug 7, 2016 • 7:56:46pm

*goosebumps*

Maybe next summer.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2016 • 8:07:01pm
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Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)  Aug 7, 2016 • 8:10:43pm

re: #12 teleskiguy

This is bucket-list shit.

Stuff to do before you die.

Like, immediately before.

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teleskiguy  Aug 7, 2016 • 8:11:58pm

re: #14 Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)

Stuff to do before you die.

Like, immediately before.

If it were up to me and money were no object I’d have skied that line several times already.

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William Lewis  Aug 7, 2016 • 8:13:39pm

re: #12 teleskiguy

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*goosebumps*

Maybe next summer.

Enjoy.

I’d rather climb Denali honestly but then I still have pain from the last time I wore ski’s for Uncle Sam nearly 30 years ago.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 7, 2016 • 8:16:11pm

re: #16 William Lewis

Enjoy.

I’d rather climb Denali honestly but then I still have pain from the last time I wore ski’s for Uncle Sam nearly 30 years ago.

You Stationed in AK? I was at Rich/Wainwright 75’-77.

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danarchy  Aug 7, 2016 • 8:19:49pm

re: #14 Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)

Stuff to do before you die.

Like, immediately before.

possibly even simultaneously.

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teleskiguy  Aug 7, 2016 • 8:21:11pm

re: #12 teleskiguy

This is the closest I’ve been to a line like this, picture snapped by me in 2007 at Silverton Mountain, CO.

We were the first paying customers to ski this couloir. Our guide was the only snowboarder in the group. It was me and a gal from Chamonix who were the only telemark skiers in the group. That was an intense day of skiing.

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ninja cat  Aug 7, 2016 • 8:21:39pm

HRC will be in town tomorrow for a rally and a tour of one of the local breweries. Unfortunately I have to work and not sure if she’ll be back; our county leans fairly blue.

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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 7, 2016 • 8:22:09pm

re: #4 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Non-doctor ‘pharma bro’ Martin Shkreli claims Clinton has Parkinson’s after jokes with reporters

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But Reagan? “Alzheimer’s? What Alzheimer’s?”

World’s most reviled pissant says what? The schadenfreude meter broke when he was arrested a while back. It will explode violently if some unfortunate accident were to befall him.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 7, 2016 • 8:22:15pm

re: #18 danarchy

possibly even simultaneously.

These are things you do before you die—like your car keys are always the last place you look. We call this “self-fulfilling prophecy”.

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William Lewis  Aug 7, 2016 • 8:22:38pm

re: #17 Dave In Austin

You Stationed in AK? I was at Rich/Wainwright 75’-77.

No, ARNG at Camp Ripley in Minnesota. We had instructors from AK but we still had a number of injuries of which mine was the worst. Badly twisted my left knee. It eventually lead to me getting out with only 16 years in because of a permanent profile that prevented me from running on the PT test.

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Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)  Aug 7, 2016 • 8:23:52pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Aug 7, 2016 • 8:26:14pm

re: #10 Blind Frog Belly White

Yikes, that crash….

That looks to my motorcyclist’s eye like a high-side. They need air fence right there! Those curbs look crazy dangerous. :O

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HappyWarrior  Aug 7, 2016 • 8:26:20pm

re: #24 Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)

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So many stupid wingnuts out there who think the’re victims.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 7, 2016 • 8:27:07pm

re: #23 William Lewis

We’d ski out to weapons quals and back to post. Never got hurt but did fall over in front of a cow moose and calf…. Lucky for me she just looked and didn’t stomp.

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William Lewis  Aug 7, 2016 • 8:28:30pm

re: #27 Dave In Austin

We’d ski out to weapons quals and back to post. Never got hurt but did fall over in front of a cow moose and calf…. Lucky for me she just looked and didn’t stomp.

There are moose in northern Minnesota. Scary beasties, more so than any bear.

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Interesting Times  Aug 7, 2016 • 8:36:26pm

re: #21 Shiplord Kirel

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Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)  Aug 7, 2016 • 8:40:35pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

So many stupid wingnuts out there who think the’re victims.

Seriously, whoever is running this white genocide is totally inept. If I didn’t know better I’d swear it’d been subcontracted out to Trump Industries, LLC.

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teleskiguy  Aug 7, 2016 • 8:45:56pm

Instagram

Love the dedication to telemark. It’s more than just skiing @catvelvet_ #SpreadTelemark Sunday

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Jebediah, RBG  Aug 7, 2016 • 8:53:44pm

re: #31 teleskiguy

You gonna git one?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 7, 2016 • 8:57:16pm

re: #31 teleskiguy

I just watched some telemark videos and I’m
wondering: How the hell do you ski like that without wrecking your knee?

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Jebediah, RBG  Aug 7, 2016 • 8:58:07pm

re: #33 Eclectic Cyborg

Or your other knee!

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teleskiguy  Aug 7, 2016 • 8:59:00pm

re: #33 Eclectic Cyborg

I just watched some telemark videos and I’m
wondering: How the hell do you ski like that without wrecking your knee?

Years of practice. Years and years. Also, knowing how to fall. Yes, there is a right and wrong way to fall while skiing.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 7, 2016 • 9:06:50pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

Yes, this I know well! (broke my tibia skiing once)

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stpaulbear  Aug 7, 2016 • 9:09:23pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

Years of practice. Years and years. Also, knowing how to fall. Yes, there is a right and wrong way to fall while skiing.

A friend of mine was the master at falling wrong. I was following him once as we were coming up over a ridge for a little bit of a jump, and he lost his balance and fell so that his nose landed on the end of his ski pole. I came over the ridge and he was lying there with a bloody face from a broken nose. Another time I was following him and for no apparent reason (probably an ice chunk stuck in place) one of his ski’s stopped and he went head down face first. I gave up on skiing soon after.

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teleskiguy  Aug 7, 2016 • 9:09:44pm

re: #36 Eclectic Cyborg

Yes, this I know well! (broke my tibia skiing once)

OUCH! Broken bones are a huge bummer, more common in the past than now. These days it’s shredded tendons and ligaments in your knee or separated shoulders or broken thumbs (broken thumbs are so common you wouldn’t believe).

I understand if you don’t ski anymore. Broken legs are no bueno, having seen a few friends suffer the same in my day.

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freetoken  Aug 7, 2016 • 9:14:05pm

Meanwhile, over in Drumpfskind’s Oriental Arch Enemy:

Japan’s Emperor Akihito to make rare public address

Japan’s Emperor Akihito is set to deliver his second ever televised address to the public.

Last month, Japanese media reported that the emperor wanted to step down in coming years, which would be unprecedented in modern Japan.

He is not expected to use the word “abdicate” because he is barred from political involvement.

[…]

There is no legal provision for abdication in Japanese law, which would mean a law change would be required.

[…]

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 7, 2016 • 9:23:25pm

When you’ve lost Oklahoma….

Majority of Oklahomans support replacing death penalty with life sentences, poll shows

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Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2016 • 9:25:03pm

My Twitter experience these days is a pretty much constant stream of abuse, insults, harassment and racist “memes” from Donald Trump fans.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 7, 2016 • 9:27:11pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

My Twitter experience these days is a pretty much constant stream of abuse, insults, harassment and racist “memes” from Donald Trump fans.

It’s the Trump BS Generator… Gets ‘em every time.

///

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freetoken  Aug 7, 2016 • 9:28:51pm

Japanese Emperor Akihito in one word

I get a kick more out of the translators than the 4 Japanese respondents.

The last respondent is a schoolboy who evidently doesn’t know the kanji for the last word. He has written “Japan’s かく”　but the two syllable word かく(kaku) is a homynym, there are many different words that have that sound. I think the boy means “nucleus”, as in atoms, as one of the words which are pronounced かくmeans pit, as in the pit of a stone fruit, and physics borrowed that word to use for an atomic nucleus. So the it looks to me as if the boy is saying that the Emperor is Japans’ nucleus, as in Japan’s center.

The translator picking “soul” is interesting in this case as the old belief that the Emperor was a demi-god would suggest immortality, as believed by monotheists in the west or by Hindus when it comes to “souls”.

But of course the goal of MacArthur’s Constitution, contra Drumpfskind, was to make the Emperor just a man.

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freetoken  Aug 7, 2016 • 9:35:55pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

My twitter experience these days is mostly retweeting stuff I find here, and ignoring the idiots who try to reply to me.

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freetoken  Aug 7, 2016 • 9:36:29pm

Twitter is the digitization of people shouting past each other.

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teleskiguy  Aug 7, 2016 • 9:40:01pm

re: #45 freetoken

Twitter is the digitization of people shouting past each other.

LOOK, BEHIND YOU! YOU FOOL!!!

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Anymouse  Aug 7, 2016 • 10:15:48pm

re: #9 William Lewis

I tried to show that to a Jillbot earlier and the twit complained that he doesn’t follow YouTube links because he caught viruses from videos… < facepalm >

I’m as leftist as it gets - a real democratic marxist socialist but that twit is what really gives us a bad name.

Send your “Jillbot” a link to Dr. Stein’s own campaign Website then.

jill2016.com

My wife and I arrived home this evening after our month long, 4,985 mile road trip (not counting the Lake Huron ferry). It will be an early turn in (my wife was injured a few days ago in a fall in Michigan and spent a day in my second childhood home - the local hospital).

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freetoken  Aug 7, 2016 • 10:50:36pm

Back in the good ol’ days, it seems even well known artists would cover the same songs at the same time.

1954 Vaughn Monroe - They Were Doin’ The Mambo

TEX WILLIAMS They Were Doing The Mambo DECCA 1954

I think the Williams version has more… verve…

Lesser known artists too, from the same time:

THEY WERE DOING THE MAMBO by Joe Liggens 1954 R&B

They Were Doin’ The Mambo

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teleskiguy  Aug 7, 2016 • 10:56:11pm

Hey harlequinade, have anything to say? You hate stuff here? Love it? I want to know.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 7, 2016 • 11:04:37pm

Tombstone vs. Bronco - BattleBots

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teleskiguy  Aug 7, 2016 • 11:06:57pm

re: #32 Jebediah, RBG

You gonna git one?

Maybe …

I have no tattoos and the only ones I’d get if I ever did get tattoos are Frank Zappa or telemark skiing. This one is especially enticing.

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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2016 • 12:15:22am
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 8, 2016 • 1:55:09am

re: #41 Charles Johnson

My Twitter experience these days is a pretty much constant stream of abuse, insults, harassment and racist “memes” from Donald Trump fans.

i have been informed that the polls are a sham, president trump is guaranteed, i just dont get it, im living in a fantasyland, i better be careful because the disrespect im showing to a nominee for the presidency of the united states is shameful, hillary is the most corrupt and dishonest person to ever set foot on planet earth (this is called “discussing the issues”) while trump has done nothing worse than defend himself against a vicious attack by those horrible khan people, and, finally, i can apologize now for being so ungrateful to mr trump for saving the country because it’s so certain he will do this it’s practically done already go live in cuba since you love communism so much

i have to admit it’s a change from being in favor of big government, forced abortions, and hating job creators because im such a failure

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2016 • 1:57:16am

re: #41 Charles Johnson

My Twitter experience these days is a pretty much constant stream of abuse, insults, harassment and racist “memes” from Donald Trump fans.

Twitter is for showing us what you had for breakfast or who you are hanging out with or what cute things your kids/pets are doing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2016 • 2:21:22am

This will be the new battleground on the Family Values vs. Health Policy front:

Marco Rubio: Pregnant Women With Zika Shouldn’t Be Allowed to Have Abortion

They don’t even want women to be on birth control in the first place, remember?

Nor do they want Zika research unless it involves cutting research into other illnesses.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 8, 2016 • 2:37:31am

Larry Hogan auditioning as the replacement for Chris Christie:

The Maryland public school teachers union is shaking its finger at Gov. Larry Hogan for calling its advocates “union thugs” in a Facebook post.

The Maryland State Education Association said on its Twitter feed Saturday: “We should never resort to name-calling.”

The tempest boiled up Friday when Hogan responded to criticism of his recent decision to save, rather than spend some state funds. He wrote that his administration has spent record amounts on education while protecting teacher pensions.

He concluded, “Don’t believe this phony ‘cut’ propaganda from the union thugs.”

wtop.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2016 • 2:46:32am

re: #56 Timothy Watson

[Hogan] concluded, “Don’t believe this phony ‘cut’ propaganda from the union thugs.”

The point is to get this nomenclature established so that one is automatically associated with another: “union thugs” “Islamic terror” “environmental whackos”, “feminazis”, etc.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 8, 2016 • 3:21:26am

Trying to apply US or UK standards to other countries does not work.

Is Angela Merkel really on the ropes?

Germany has accepted over a million refugees, and they have been generally peaceful, but there have been a few attacks perpetrated by refugees - and another by a German of Iranian descent who was “tired of being picked on”

Had anything like that happened in the US, Donald Trump and the Right Wing would really be having a propaganda field day.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2016 • 3:24:48am

re: #23 William Lewis

No, ARNG at Camp Ripley in Minnesota. We had instructors from AK but we still had a number of injuries of which mine was the worst. Badly twisted my left knee. It eventually lead to me getting out with only 16 years in because of a permanent profile that prevented me from running on the PT test.

When the Armor guys are running on foot, the battle is pretty much fucked anyways.

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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 8, 2016 • 4:07:11am

re: #29 Interesting Times

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2016 • 4:28:05am

Saturday’s voter registration went well enough considering we were operating in the Fenix City AL area. At times we got “I’m not registered, I don’t vote.” Then a second look at their tats, and it’s all good.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Aug 8, 2016 • 5:00:44am

Another Republican has jumped off the Trump Train and stated he will be voting for Hillary Clinton - and this one carries a bit of political weight.

Reagan Republican: Trump is the emperor with no clothes

Frank Lavin, an official in every GOP administration since Reagan, says he’ll vote for Hillary Clinton

(CNN) I had the honor of serving as Ronald Reagan’s White House political director from 1987 to 1989, so I can claim some insight on U.S. politics. My central conclusion on the 2016 race: It might not be entirely clear that Hillary Clinton deserves to win the presidency, but it is thunderingly clear that Donald Trump deserves to lose.

From this premise, I will do something that I have not done in 40 years of voting: I will vote for the Democratic nominee for president. The depressing truth of the Republican nominee is that Donald Trump talks a great game but he is the emperor who wears no clothes.
[…]
There are many issues on which Hillary Clinton and I are not in agreement. However on the core foreign policy issues our country faces — alliance relationships, security commitments, and international engagement — she comes closer to Republican views than does Trump. And Donald Trump makes me cringe. I am voting for Hillary. And I vote in Ohio.

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Targetpractice  Aug 8, 2016 • 5:04:24am

re: #59 Decatur Deb

When the Armor guys are running on foot, the battle is pretty much fucked anyways.

“If you see me running, try and keep up.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 5:15:09am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 5:22:29am

Power outage in Atlanta.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 8, 2016 • 5:27:49am

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Power outage in Atlanta.

You would think they would have a standby generator for critical stuff like that.

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sagehen  Aug 8, 2016 • 5:36:19am

re: #52 teleskiguy

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I saw a bit of an interview yesterday with one of the girls on the Refugee team; she’s a Syrian swimmer. The pool where she used to train, there’d be bombs going off nearby. Blew a few holes in the roof. She left.

With 20 other refugees on a dinghy fleeing to Europe, after the motor died, she and her sister jumped out and pushed for three hours…

sbnation.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 5:54:33am

welp…

Key players in GOP’s anti-Trump movement are preparing to launch an independent presidential campaign for Evan McMullin — a CIA veteran and the chief policy director of the House Republican conference — sources close to the effort told BuzzFeed News.

Veteran Republican strategist Rick Wilson, a Florida-based media consultant and outspoken Trump critic, is expected to be involved in McMullin’s campaign. Sources said Wilson was in Washington on Sunday meeting with members of McMullin’s prospective campaign — which includes some who were involved in a group called Better for America, which has been pushing an independent presidential bid.

McMullin did not immediately respond to requests for comment from BuzzFeed News. He would make for an unlikely presidential candidate. He has never held elective office before and has spent most of his career as a CIA officer, according to his LinkedIn page. Young and unmarried, McMullin received an MBA at Wharton in 2011, and after a stint at Goldman Sachs, went to work as a policy wonk on Capitol Hill.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 5:56:49am

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Power outage in Atlanta.

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jeffreyw  Aug 8, 2016 • 5:56:53am

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Good morning!

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Timothy Watson  Aug 8, 2016 • 5:56:54am

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

welp…

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What a waste of time and energy, all to run a candidate no one has ever heard of?

FFS, filing deadlines have already passed in some states.

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sagehen  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:00:01am

re: #71 Timothy Watson

What a waste of time and energy, all to run a candidate no one has ever heard of?

FFS, filing deadlines have already passed in some states.

I guess he’s hoping to build name recognition for future cycles? Certainly he’ll get a lot more press than some random midterm House candidate.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:01:35am

re: #50 Dave In Austin

I want to see Tombstone and Minotaur.

Blacksmith vs. Minotaur - BattleBots

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:03:31am

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

Who

This is a guy who’s got no ground game, no campaign war chest, and a limited window to even get on the ballot. He’s got even less name recognition than the last guy who the right claimed would stop Trump - Daniel French - let alone any of the former GOP contenders in the primaries who lost because they refused to fight Trump because they needed his supporters’ votes if they had any chance of winning themselves.

They’re all fighting over Trump’s voters, who are a grab bag of bigotry.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:06:13am

re: #53 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i have been informed that the polls are a sham, president trump is guaranteed, i just dont get it, im living in a fantasyland, i better be careful because the disrespect im showing to a nominee for the presidency of the united states is shameful, hillary is the most corrupt and dishonest person to ever set foot on planet earth (this is called “discussing the issues”) while trump has done nothing worse than defend himself against a vicious attack by those horrible khan people, and, finally, i can apologize now for being so ungrateful to mr trump for saving the country because it’s so certain he will do this it’s practically done already go live in cuba since you love communism so much

i have to admit it’s a change from being in favor of big government, forced abortions, and hating job creators because im such a failure

THE POLLS ARE SO BAD ITLL BE LIKE BREXIT AGAIN TRUMP WINS LANDSLINDE MASSIVE RALLIES!!!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:06:52am

The wiki page was created this morning.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:08:18am
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Belafon  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:10:27am

One of Thanos’s many pages was about the sheriffs in western states that seem to think the areas they cover are independent of the federal government. It finally hit me: These people think they are like the tribal leaders in the mountain areas between Pakistan and Afghanistan. I suspect those aren’t fun places to get stuck in, especially if you are a minority.

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:13:02am

Welcome to the wonderful world of forensic accounting, where you can go your entire career and never witness anything so breathtakingly awful as Trump’s books and records in an audit.

This is a guy whose records are so spotty and was so combative, his lawyers stepped in even before the audit began because the books were that spotty.

This is just one business line. The business wasn’t following GAAP, which sends up red flags, and was clearly hiding information or didn’t hold on to basic records.

And you wonder why Trump’s so reluctant to provide tax returns? It’s because we’ll see lots of issues like this.

Now imagine this guy trying to do budget stuff?

It’s clear he doesn’t have a clue. Which is why today he’s going to tout his business cred by calling for an estate tax repeal, slashing business taxes, and throwing in a child care tax credit, as though that makes up for the trillion dollar nightmare he’s concocted of a tax plan.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:14:23am
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Belafon  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:16:07am

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s just trying to change the subject from Trump for a few days.

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nines09  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:18:32am

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Donald Trump is the natural progression of the GOP as currently structured. He is the “Cowboy.” The base, brought up on fairy tales and lies on who stole their future await the next “Cowboy” who can fix it all. Who needs to educate oneself when the GOP and all thier AM Academies and TV Colleges can do the lifting and just give you the answers. That undercurrent was always there, Trump is the promise. The Cowboy. Nice work GOP. Nice work. Now let’s see if you have anything left of that small handful of “compassion” you promised. I doubt it. Here. Hold this cinderblock. Be right back.

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:18:49am

Oh, and another reason Evan McMullin wont stand a chance? He’s got no way to get into the debates unless he gets 15% across 5 polls.

Federal Election Commission (“FEC”) regulations require a debate sponsor to make its candidate selection decisions on the basis of “pre-established, objective” criteria. After a thorough and wide-ranging review of alternative approaches to determining who is invited to participate in the general election debates it will sponsor, the CPD adopted on October 28, 2015 its 2016 Non-Partisan Candidate Selection Criteria. Under the 2016 Criteria, in addition to being Constitutionally eligible, candidates must appear on a sufficient number of state ballots to have a mathematical chance of winning a majority vote in the Electoral College, and have a level of support of at least 15 percent of the national electorate as determined by five selected national public opinion polling organizations, using the average of those organizations’ most recently publicly-reported results at the time of the determination. The polls to be relied upon will be selected based on the quality of the methodology employed, the reputation of the polling organizations and the frequency of the polling conducted. CPD will identify the selected polling organizations well in advance of the time the criteria are applied.

With no name recognition and about a month to go, he’s got as much chance of making the debate as I do.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:19:04am

H/t Balloon Juice

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makeitstop  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:19:25am

GOP Ship-jumping, part something…

Former Michigan Gov. William Milliken (R) has announced that he will vote for Hillary Clinton for president, saying that Donald Drumpf does not embody Republican ideals.

“This nation has long prided itself on its abiding commitments to tolerance, civility and equality. We face a critically important choice in this year’s presidential election that will define whether we maintain our commitment to those ideals or embark on a path that has doomed other governments and nations throughout history,” he said in a statement to the Detroit Free Press published Monday. “I am saddened and dismayed that the Republican Party this year has nominated a candidate who has repeatedly demonstrated that he does not embrace those ideals.”

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:20:19am

Oh stubby fingered Donny…

Did you not think people would realize that your grandfather lied to get into the US and was “deported” from Germany (he was asked to leave)?

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:20:21am

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b.d.  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:22:53am

re: #87 The Vicious Babushka

Good luck!

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:23:14am

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

welp…

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He’ll be lucky to get on the ballot in more than a handful of states, and his vote total will be so low it will be in asterisk territory. #NeverTrump is an embarrassing failure; they should just follow the example of several Republicans putting country ahead of party and endorse Clinton.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:24:27am

re: #79 lawhawk

I sorta wish I was still taking accounting classes because I am sure they are a lot of real-life examples of Trump’s that are being used in class this semester.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:24:51am

re: #77 Backwoods_Sleuth

SCOOP!!!!1

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:25:00am

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Timothy Watson  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:26:58am

re: #92 The Vicious Babushka

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nines09  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:31:06am

re: #92 The Vicious Babushka

Don’t you feel sometimes that you should have an extension cord with you at all times?

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dangerman  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:41:45am

it’s starting to drip drip drip

Clinton’s Fibs vs. Trump’s Huge Lies

a clear differentiation that both sides dont “do it”

these summary quotes are from electoral-vote.com:

[Kristof] puts it thusly: “[T]he idea that they are even in the same league is preposterous. If deception were a sport, Trump would be the Olympic gold medalist; Clinton would be an honorable mention at her local Y.”

“The Washington Post Fact-Checker finds that Trump tells flat-out lies 4.5 times as often as Clinton; Politifact says it’s nine times as often.

“with Clinton, the same handful of lies (email server, gunfire in Bosnia, TPP) are brought up over and over**. With Trump, by contrast, there are bushels of brand-new lies every day. In fact, Politico estimated that Trump was guilty of a misstatement once every 5 minutes; while HuffPo once caught 71 distortions and inaccuracies in a single hour.”

“Clinton embraces your garden variety politician’s blend of mostly truth mixed with a bit of fiction when the truth is uncomfortable, while for Trump lying and exaggeration is a core tenet”

** to be noted - she answers the same questions 1000 times and once uses slightly different words and NEW SCANDAL

trump rapid fires so much distortion that he’s 10 lies/statements down the road while you’re trying to determine whether that 10 lies back statement was even accurate.

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Belafon  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:44:23am

re: #95 dangerman

“Clinton embraces your garden variety politician’s blend of mostly truth mixed with a bit of fiction when the truth is uncomfortable”

In other words, she’s still far better than most humans.

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Joe Bacon  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:48:49am

re: #97 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Trump surrogate Scottie Nell Hughes: Ban abortion for Zika because birth defects are ‘nothing new’

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Like every other disciple of Ayn Rand, Snotty Scottie will turn her back on a disabled child!

Never mind that Ayn Rand supported abortion rights…

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:51:58am

re: #97 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Forced birth. They aren’t pro life.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:55:10am

re: #85 makeitstop

GOP Ship-jumping, part something…

In fairness to him, I believe he endorsed Kerry in 2004 but this is still good to see.

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Skip Intro  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:56:35am

A good Maureen Dowd column for once.

nytimes.com

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:56:57am

re: #97 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Trump surrogate Scottie Nell Hughes: Ban abortion for Zika because birth defects are ‘nothing new’

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I imagine it’s more than just the birth defects. I imagine giving birth while having Zika would put the mother herself at increased rate for mortality. More “pro-life” shit.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:59:30am

re: #100 HappyWarrior

In fairness to him, I believe he endorsed Kerry in 2004 but this is still good to see.

Good news I guess, but I’ve never heard of him. Was last a governor in the 1980’s.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:59:50am

It’s amazing though how conservative support for individual rights goes out the window when you’re pregnant. Honestly what could be more about your individual rights than the right to decide what you do with your own pregnancy but yeah regulations on business are just awful but telling pregnant women what to do with their own bodies makes perfect sense.

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dangerman  Aug 8, 2016 • 6:59:55am

re: #97 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Trump surrogate Scottie Nell Hughes: Ban abortion for Zika because birth defects are ‘nothing new’

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True cost of Zika

“Still, if even just one in 10 gets Zika, the CDC estimates that up to 13 percent of their unborn offspring could develop microcephaly. If just 13,000 babies are born in the U.S. with this disability or to women who migrated here for better medical treatment, the cost of keeping them alive and providing for their lifetime care could range from $13 billion to as much as $130 billion.”

where does marco figure that moneys going to come from?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:00:14am

re: #103 Sir John Barron

Good news I guess, but I’ve never heard of him. Was last a governor in the 1980’s.

I remember hearing about him in 2004 because someone I knew from Michigan spoke well of him.

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A Mom Anon  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:02:45am

re: #97 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I would suggest this little fucking bitch be forced to spend one day in a special needs daycare, changing diapers, giving meds, cleaning up medical equipment, etc. And then another day in an ICU for babies born with severe health issues, doing the same jobs. Does she even have any kids? Why is she on my fucking TV?

What will happen is these women will be forced into having babies with very severe and maybe even non-survivable health problems and when they need help with care, daycare so they can work to pay the bills, OR if they have no choice but to stay home with them and need help, will be called moochers, takers, lazy, thinking they’re entitled to free stuff and so on.

Fuck these people. Right down to the person who signs this evil little fuck’s paycheck. And all of the rest of them like her. And her little fucking dog too.

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Belafon  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:03:10am

re: #105 dangerman

True cost of Zika

“Still, if even just one in 10 gets Zika, the CDC estimates that up to 13 percent of their unborn offspring could develop microcephaly. If just 13,000 babies are born in the U.S. with this disability or to women who migrated here for better medical treatment, the cost of keeping them alive and providing for their lifetime care could range from $13 billion to as much as $130 billion.”

where does marco figure that moneys going to come from?

Out of the checks of mothers who should have kept their legs together.

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danarchy  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:04:20am

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

welp…

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I don’t get why more of the never Trump people haven’t gotten on board with the libertarians. You have two former republican governors who are already on the ballot in all 50 states. I know Gary Johnson is his own kind of crazy, but you’d think if your main goal was to stop Trump you would have a better chance with them than some guy nobody has ever heard of who has never even run for office before and almost certainly wouldn’t get on the ballot in all 50 states. I assume it is because Johnson’s stance on immigration probably makes him unacceptable to them.

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makeitstop  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:06:22am

re: #109 danarchy

I don’t get why more of the never Trump people haven’t gotten on board with the libertarians. You have two former republican governors who are already on the ballot in all 50 states. I know Gary Johnson is his own kind of crazy, but you’d think if your main goal was to stop Trump you would have a better chance with them than some guy nobody has ever heard of who has never even run for office before and almost certainly wouldn’t get on the ballot in all 50 states. I assume it is because Johnson’s stance on immigration probably makes him unacceptable to them.

Also, Rick Wilson needs a paycheck. Railing against Trump ain’t gonna get that mortgage paid, y’know.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:06:41am

re: #109 danarchy

I don’t get why more of the never Trump people haven’t gotten on board with the libertarians. You have two former republican governors who are already on the ballot in all 50 states. I know Gary Johnson is his own kind of crazy, but you’d think if your main goal was to stop Trump you would have a better chance with them than some guy nobody has ever heard of who has never even run for office before and almost certainly wouldn’t get on the ballot in all 50 states. I assume it is because Johnson’s stance on immigration probably makes him unacceptable to them.

I imagine the FP is a big breaking point and Johnson/Weld espouse what come across to them as socially liberal views. See Shapiro calling Johnson a leftist for example. They want a social conservative and a hawk on FP and Johnson isn’t that.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:09:56am

re: #107 A Mom Anon

I would suggest this little fucking bitch be forced to spend one day in a special needs daycare, changing diapers, giving meds, cleaning up medical equipment, etc. And then another day in an ICU for babies born with severe health issues, doing the same jobs. Does she even have any kids? Why is she on my fucking TV?

What will happen is these women will be forced into having babies with very severe and maybe even non-survivable health problems and when they need help with care, daycare so they can work to pay the bills, OR if they have no choice but to stay home with them and need help, will be called moochers, takers, lazy, thinking they’re entitled to free stuff and so on.

Fuck these people. Right down to the person who signs this evil little fuck’s paycheck. And all of the rest of them like her. And her little fucking dog too.

You know, I was just having this conversation with my brother. His argument is basically that the conservatives are quite wrong when they argue against helping people. He thinks that programs like welfare, food banks, etc come from our past as a more tribal society and makes the correct point that for much of man’s time on this planet, we have been a tribal, communal people rather than this every man for himself. In otherwords, bro is arguing that despite their claims that what liberals want is unnatural and goes against tradition, it’s actually they the conservatives who have created a false modernity. He always surprises me. He’s probably to my left as a whole but most importantly, I know he’s got his heart in the right place when it comes to the little guy and gal.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:10:22am

re: #109 danarchy

I don’t get why more of the never Trump people haven’t gotten on board with the libertarians. You have two former republican governors who are already on the ballot in all 50 states. I know Gary Johnson is his own kind of crazy, but you’d think if your main goal was to stop Trump you would have a better chance with them than some guy nobody has ever heard of who has never even run for office before and almost certainly wouldn’t get on the ballot in all 50 states. I assume it is because Johnson’s stance on immigration probably makes him unacceptable to them.

This seems to be a fringe of the NeverTrump group, which was pretty fringe to begin with.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:11:25am

Anyhow, it’s going to be interesting what happens with this new guy. I don’t see him having any impact because really who the hell is he and why is eh qualified to be President and it’s so late. But also because this just reeks of another David French. Granted I don’t think this guy is an asshole like David French from the little I know about him.

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:14:21am

re: #105 dangerman

True cost of Zika

“Still, if even just one in 10 gets Zika, the CDC estimates that up to 13 percent of their unborn offspring could develop microcephaly. If just 13,000 babies are born in the U.S. with this disability or to women who migrated here for better medical treatment, the cost of keeping them alive and providing for their lifetime care could range from $13 billion to as much as $130 billion.”

where does marco figure that moneys going to come from?

Bootstraps. Of course.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:15:16am

re: #105 dangerman

True cost of Zika

“Still, if even just one in 10 gets Zika, the CDC estimates that up to 13 percent of their unborn offspring could develop microcephaly. If just 13,000 babies are born in the U.S. with this disability or to women who migrated here for better medical treatment, the cost of keeping them alive and providing for their lifetime care could range from $13 billion to as much as $130 billion.”

where does marco figure that moneys going to come from?

Conservatives don’t give a crap about cost-benefit analysis. If they did, they wouldn’t be preventing thousands of people from voting to stop one or two voter fraud cases.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:15:36am

re: #114 HappyWarrior

Anyhow, it’s going to be interesting what happens with this new guy. I don’t see him having any impact because really who the hell is he and why is eh qualified to be President and it’s so late. But also because this just reeks of another David French. Granted I don’t think this guy is an asshole like David French from the little I know about him.

And French was a pretty laughable candidate, too.

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dangerman  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:15:39am

re: #108 Belafon

Out of the checks of mothers who should have kept their legs together.

you and Mom at #107 are both right of course.

the issue that marco et al hasnt got yet is the dollar magnitude.

if i didnt shift a decimal, its estimated at more than $1M per child or much much more.

where’s the cost of this care going to come from really? it’s not all medical and even if it was, what an insurance policy you’d have to have. which still doesnt eliminate copays, annual deductibles, etc etc

plus all the not-directly-medical costs

if we talk about this at the national level and not one individual family and settle on 13 or 130 billion, where does that overall pot of funding come from?

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dangerman  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:16:35am

re: #107 A Mom Anon

+1 for the dog

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:16:54am

re: #117 Sir John Barron

And French was a pretty laughable candidate, too.

Yeah he was.

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No Depression  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:18:15am

re: #116 Timothy Watson

Conservatives don’t give a crap about cost-benefit analysis. If they did, they wouldn’t be preventing thousands of people from voting to stop one or two voter fraud cases.

Learning about cost-benefit analysis in AP Macroeconomics started my dark descent into liberalism. Muhahaha.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:19:27am

re: #116 Timothy Watson

Conservatives don’t give a crap about cost-benefit analysis. If they did, they wouldn’t be preventing thousands of people from voting to stop one or two voter fraud cases.

Exactly. Honestly, I think this kind of stuff needs to be thrown in their faces. They accuse us of wasting taxdollars on government programs. Point out that they’er wasting taxpayer money on this. It’s so conveinient that they always want to go “Not all gun owners” when gun violence happens but even rarer cases of voter and welfare fraud mean it’s okay to fuck everyone on welfare or trying to vote.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:21:46am

re: #121 No Depression

Learning about cost-benefit analysis in AP Macroeconomics started my dark descent into liberalism. Muhahaha.

What? You can only be a conservative after taking economics. // You know what’s had the most impact on me being a liberal though? Real life. The most important thing I’ve learned and this is why conservative talk about “I believe in equal opportunity for all” may be sincere but is frankly ignorant, we all start on different playing fields. Conservatives have been pushing I think too long this notion that if you don’t become fabulously wealthy, you must be a loser of if you do become wealthy, it must be because you’re awesome and don’t let anyone tell you that you had help getting tehre.

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danarchy  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:22:29am

re: #116 Timothy Watson

Conservatives don’t give a crap about cost-benefit analysis. If they did, they wouldn’t be preventing thousands of people from voting to stop one or two voter fraud cases.

Depends how you define costs and benefits. If they are assuming those thousands of people will not vote for them they are doing their own cost-benefit analysis and coming up with a very different conclusion.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:26:42am
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Timothy Watson  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:27:32am

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Does he have some other metric he wants to propose?

Man, these people.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:27:52am

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well by his logic, show me evidence that Trump is. Even without polls, I can point to Republicans distancing themselves from him or even refusing to support him. Not really getting that with Hillary.

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b.d.  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:28:19am

re: #126 Timothy Watson

Does he have some other metric he wants to propose?

Man, these people.

[noonan] yard signs [/noonan]

(i haven’t seen any of those either, btw.)

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:28:22am

re: #126 Timothy Watson

Does he have some other metric he wants to propose?

Man, these people.

Easy, poll every middle aged white guy with a Don’t Tread on Me flag or hat.

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dangerman  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:32:33am

re: #122 HappyWarrior

Exactly. Honestly, I think this kind of stuff needs to be thrown in their faces. They accuse us of wasting taxdollars on government programs. Point out that they’er wasting taxpayer money on this. It’s so conveinient that they always want to go “Not all gun owners” when gun violence happens but even rarer cases of voter and welfare fraud mean it’s okay to fuck everyone on welfare or trying to vote.

i guess this is my point and should always be the immediate follow up question.
it doesnt even have to be loaded
“what are your suggestions for how these estimated 13,000 families deal with the more than $1m -10m lifetime costs?

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:32:50am

re: #126 Timothy Watson

Does he have some other metric he wants to propose?

Man, these people.

Casting chicken bones was once popular.

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A Mom Anon  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:33:44am

re: #118 dangerman

I think one million dollars is a conservative (ahem) estimate when you look at the cost of medical treatment in the US. We’re talking a lifetime of care, however long that life lasts. There is no break in care, it’s 24/7/365. And if you’re the caregiver, your life is over too, there is no respite care unless you have MONEY. Being a caregiver is life changing and it’s not all warm and fuzzy and an inspiration for others. Oftentimes those family members doing this lose outside support, friends, family contact, a social life, and doing anything, let alone leaving the house, is often out of the question. One million dollars could be for just one year in some cases.

Last year in Ohio,4 assholes decided it would be a fun idea to throw big rocks off a highway overpass. A woman was severely injured, a traumatic brain injury that she will never come back from. Her husband committed suicide over the weekend.

I was (and to some degree still am) a full time caregiver to an autistic child. For almost a decade I went nowhere without my son, almost lost my marriage (my husband immersed himself in work and riding motorcycles, so, you know, there was some resentment from me, which we’re still working through as a couple), lost my friends and had no family support at ALL. My mother in law thought I was making it up to get attention until she came for a 2 day visit. She keeps her piehole shut now (but still thinks her son married down, yeah, whatever), but I have never been so isolated. I am STILL recovering from that. I gave up a career and college and am now unemployable because what I have done doesn’t count as a real job. So there’s that aspect for all these moms who these assholes expect to be full time caregivers with no pay. Fuck them all with rusty farm implements.

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dangerman  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:33:55am

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

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polls
statistics
math
howzit work?

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Timothy Watson  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:35:08am

re: #133 dangerman

polls
statistics
math
howzit work?

Magic!!! Burn the witch!11!!

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:35:13am

re: #131 Eventual Carrion

Casting chicken bones was once popular.

Divination. Professors Trelawney and Firenze will provide a core understanding of different methods, including astrology, tea leaves, chicken bones, and cartomancy.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:35:34am

re: #83 lawhawk

Oh, and another reason Evan McMullin wont stand a chance? He’s got no way to get into the debates unless he gets 15% across 5 polls.

With no name recognition and about a month to go, he’s got as much chance of making the debate as I do.

I might vote for him anyways, since he’s a Republican (that (I) notwithstanding) who is Not Trump.

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Jenner7  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:35:51am

How many generals is that now??

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:37:04am

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

You’d likely have to write him in, since he’s not going to make it on to ballots in pretty much half the states at a minimum.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:38:07am

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

I might vote for him anyways, since he’s a Republican (that (I) notwithstanding) who is Not Trump.

It’s too late for him to get on the Illinois ballot.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:39:32am

:D

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A Mom Anon  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:39:38am

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

You can’t vote for someone not on the ballot. Write in I suppose, but honest to god Dark, I want you to tell me all the bad reasons you just can’t vote for Hillary. I want to know, because every conservative I ask this either leaves the conversation, or begins babbling about emails, Bengahzi, The airport at Mena, Vince Foster or some Alex Jones you tube video. So, you know, nothing.

So tell me D_F, what is so awful about her?

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:40:20am

So, while the right wing continues to rely on feels instead of facts that Trump’s ahead, more polls come out showing Trump is opening up the map. Trump’s losing in historically red country.

One poll isn’t enough, but there’s a trend here - one showing Clinton leads by significant margins in blue states, being ahead in battlegrounds, and even showing strength or leading in traditionally red states.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:41:32am

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

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:D

I swear, did they intentionally pick the most punchable face in the world file photo for that story?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:43:26am

re: #143 Timothy Watson

I swear, did they intentionally pick the most punchable face in the world file photo for that story?

Bro I can do this!

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Jenner7  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:47:33am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:48:47am

re: #141 A Mom Anon

She’s “cackly”.

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nines09  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:48:54am

Your dog was chewy…

Pull up to get my mutt from my new groomer till my old one recovers from surgery, and I notice a big dog on the hill and THAT’S NO DOG. So I wait until he/she lumbers off.

So she tells me, “Oh that’s our bears. Two cubs and mama.” Ok. “Guy behinds us feeds them. Mama bears is much bigger, and has some brown down her back. Ok. Nice to know. If cubby wanders down to the other side of the road and mama comes a looking as you pull in, just hand her a Milk Bone?

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Timothy Watson  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:49:21am

re: #146 GlutenFreeJesus

She’s “cackly”.

And “crooked”.

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dangerman  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:50:20am

re: #132 A Mom Anon

i agree with your sentiments. i’ve had short bouts at caregiving: injuries and such. and one girlfriend had a stroke at a young age. smoking and birth control pills. we stayed together 8 more months. the beginning was brutal on me - wheelchair and all nearly 100% dependent. her family? crickets. as she got stronger it became a bit easier. i felt and was ready to be in it for the long haul. in the end it was her change in attitude that drove us apart. and a lot of it unrelated to the effects of the stroke.

and as to zika, of course you are right. the psychological dynamics and overall lifestyle issues are real, dramatic, significant, etc.

in focusing on the $, the politician who just callously stated no abortions can address the $, while they can cavalierly wave off all the “other” stuff as personal / not governments problem.

the money has to come from the individuals (savings, earnings (which may dry up immediately), insurance, which means a big industry hit way over the miniscule premiums, government or “charity”.

billions of it in aggregate.

“ok marco, i understand your position is no abortions. where do you see this multiple billions of dollars coming from?”

p.s. i think i read that your son(?) now drives! that’s some achievement! his and yours.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:50:38am

re: #141 A Mom Anon

You can’t vote for someone not on the ballot. Write in I suppose, but honest to god Dark, I want you to tell me all the bad reasons you just can’t vote for Hillary. I want to know, because every conservative I ask this either leaves the conversation, or begins babbling about emails, Bengahzi, The airport at Mena, Vince Foster or some Alex Jones you tube video. So, you know, nothing.

So tell me D_F, what is so awful about her?

I’m not going to answer that question because I’ll get downdinged and screamed at if I do.

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dangerman  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:52:24am

re: #141 A Mom Anon

So tell me D_F, what is so awful about her?

shes competent, capable, experienced. oh wait, she’s a D

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:52:47am

Between the corporate and high income tax cuts, plus this twist, Trump’s showing that his tax plan is all about burden shifting from the rich on to everyone else. They benefit most from his plans, while everyone else, including the national debt get screwed.

The right wing response to all this is wishful thinking about how tax cuts will create new economic growth (ignoring 40 years of trickle down being shown to be objectively BS). Or, when confronted with the debt issue, suddenly claiming that the debt will go away or doesn’t matter - but Obama’s responsible for it anyways (itself ignoring that the debt grew because Bush era tax cuts coupled with off-book war costs are a major driver of the debt to this day.

Throw in the fact that the economy grew massively in the 1950s despite top tax rates of 90% or 1960s when the top rate was 70%, and you had declining debt, and one wonders whether we should increase the tax rates rather than cut them further so as to reduce the debt and/or pay for infrastructure that is badly in need of fixing.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:53:12am

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

We saw your tweets about “3 words” that show how you really feel about her. So yeah. If you were honest here at LGF, you would get downdinged and run off. Deservingly so.

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makeitstop  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:53:57am

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

I’m not going to answer that question because I’ll get downdinged and screamed at if I do.

Oh, man up, already.

Stand up for yourself and your convictions. If your so unsure about your beliefs that you’re afraid of downdings, maybe it’s time to think about reconsidering them.

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dangerman  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:54:15am

re: #147 nines09

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Pull up to get my mutt from my new groomer till my old one recovers from surgery, and I notice a big dog on the hill and THAT’S NO DOG. So I wait until he/she lumbers off.

So she tells me, “Oh that’s our bears. Two cubs and mama.” Ok. “Guy behinds us feeds them. Mama bears is much bigger, and has some brown down he back. Ok. Nice to know. If cubby wanders down to the other side of the road and mama comes a looking as you pull in, just hand her a Milk Bone?

the ears are forward… wants to play….

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nines09  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:54:42am

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

I’m not going to answer that question because I’ll get downdinged and screamed at if I do.

Just pretend you’re in the Twitterverse.

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nines09  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:55:38am

re: #155 dangerman

Not growling……Look…..She likes me…..AHHHHHGGGGGGG

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Stanley Sea  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:56:02am

re: #152 lawhawk

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Between the corporate and high income tax cuts, plus this twist, Trump’s showing that his tax plan is all about burden shifting from the rich on to everyone else. They benefit most from his plans, while everyone else, including the national debt get screwed.

The right wing response to all this is wishful thinking about how tax cuts will create new economic growth (ignoring 40 years of trickle down being shown to be objectively BS). Or, when confronted with the debt issue, suddenly claiming that the debt will go away or doesn’t matter - but Obama’s responsible for it anyways (itself ignoring that the debt grew because Bush era tax cuts coupled with off-book war costs are a major driver of the debt to this day.

Throw in the fact that the economy grew massively in the 1950s despite top tax rates of 90% or 1960s when the top rate was 70%, and you had declining debt, and one wonders whether we should increase the tax rates rather than cut them further so as to reduce the debt and/or pay for infrastructure that is badly in need of fixing.

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mmmirele  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:56:09am

re: #94 nines09

Don’t you feel sometimes that you should have an extension cord with you at all times?

I carry a battery pack with me for my phone. Works better than being tethered to an extension cord.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:56:26am

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has spent much of his campaign blasting his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton for being too close to Wall Street. Yet in a speech focused on economic policy on Monday, Trump will call for a moratorium on all new regulations for the financial industry.

According to Bloomberg News, Trump will say he’ll stop all new financial rules until the economy shows “significant growth,” adding that the country needs “to hit the pause buttons on these regulations so our businesses can reinvest in the economy.”

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Great White Snark  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:57:15am
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dangerman  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:57:26am

re: #152 lawhawk

sure

following #125 below, take away economic and tax theory. and history

now prove this stuff wont work

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:57:41am

re: #160 Backwoods_Sleuth

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A wanking ass hero is something to be.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:57:47am

Donald’s big speech in Detroit about his economic plan begins in about 30 minutes.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:58:32am

re: #152 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Between the corporate and high income tax cuts, plus this twist, Trump’s showing that his tax plan is all about burden shifting from the rich on to everyone else. They benefit most from his plans, while everyone else, including the national debt get screwed.

The right wing response to all this is wishful thinking about how tax cuts will create new economic growth (ignoring 40 years of trickle down being shown to be objectively BS). Or, when confronted with the debt issue, suddenly claiming that the debt will go away or doesn’t matter - but Obama’s responsible for it anyways (itself ignoring that the debt grew because Bush era tax cuts coupled with off-book war costs are a major driver of the debt to this day.

Throw in the fact that the economy grew massively in the 1950s despite top tax rates of 90% or 1960s when the top rate was 70%, and you had declining debt, and one wonders whether we should increase the tax rates rather than cut them further so as to reduce the debt and/or pay for infrastructure that is badly in need of fixing.

Or add an above-the-line tax deduction which help more people qualify for the EITC, etc.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:58:35am

re: #161 Great White Snark

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Wingnuts repeatedly whine about Muslims not accepting our values and integrating and here this woman is competing on our national fencing team. That’s America at its best if you ask me. I know I’m not the subject audience of your tweet though heh.

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dangerman  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:59:22am

re: #154 makeitstop

Oh, man up, already.

Stand up for yourself and your convictions. If your so unsure about your beliefs that you’re afraid of downdings, maybe it’s time to think about reconsidering them.

downdings outweigh principled voting

visceral clinton hate outweighs principled voting

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b.d.  Aug 8, 2016 • 7:59:36am

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

Donald’s big speech in Detroit about his economic plan begins in about 30 minutes.

Did he rent out the entire stadium for 100 people like Romney did?

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makeitstop  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:00:25am

So, is Trump taking the gamble that a full-on Supply Side economic plan is going to win back fiscal conservatives?

Does he think they’re going to walk back through that door, and ignore the fact that the doorknob and most of the door itself are smeared thick with racist shit?

Might get his rich buddies on board, though. Interesting tactic - an angry broke dude/greedy rich dude coalition.
/

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Jayleia  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:01:35am
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Sir John Barron  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:02:38am

re: #169 makeitstop

So, is Trump taking the gamble that a full-on Supply Side economic plan is going to win back fiscal conservatives?

Does he think they’re going to walk back through that door, and ignore the fact that the doorknob and most of the door itself are smeared thick with racist shit?

Might get his rich buddies on board, though. Interesting tactic - an angry broke dude/greedy rich dude coalition.
/

He’s also going to double or quadruple triple spending on infrastructure.

/

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:02:59am

Trump’s speech today should put aside once and for all the bullshit lie that he’s a leftist since he’s espoused populist rhetoric on economics. Trump is Pat Buchanan on steroids.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:03:40am

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

Donald’s big speech in Detroit about his economic plan begins in about 30 minutes.

It’s gonna be a big speech, really big. And great, too. Believe me.

/

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:03:53am

re: #160 Backwoods_Sleuth

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dangerman  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:04:21am

re: #165 Timothy Watson

Or add an above-the-line tax deduction which might make more people qualify for the EITC, etc.

deductions cost less in the aggregate and only some people can use em

i wonder if this one would phase out as agi went up?

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:06:13am

Trump’s Wall Street policy is to let them run amok. But Hillary’s the one beholden to Wall Street and would do their bidding? And we have to know what she said to Wall Street businesses in her paid speeches or else we know that she’s an insider. Argle. Bargle.

Reality is a bitch, and the reality is that Trump continues pressing a nonsensical worldview about everything. His economic policies are standard issue GOP stuff on steroids. Tax cuts for the rich. Estate tax eliminated. Corporate tax cuts. Trickle down BS.

And a child care tax plan that would benefit the rich far more than anyone else.

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dangerman  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:06:38am

re: #166 HappyWarrior

Wingnuts repeatedly whine about Muslims not accepting our values and integrating and here this woman is competing on our national fencing team. That’s America at its best if you ask me. I know I’m not the subject audience of your tweet though heh.

fencing is french and italian
/s

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A Mom Anon  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:06:47am

re: #149 dangerman

Yes, he is driving on his own now, I am so proud of him. He’s still not what we call “highway ready”, but he can get to and from work and other places close to home. It took three years of almost daily lessons from me. He’s made friends (went to a concert the other night with TWO girls, who are his friends, no girlfriends, yet) and done pretty much everything the experts said no way to. But it was hard and it took a long, long time and a lot of anxiety and tears and fighting to get there. That’s what people don’t understand. I cannot imagine having to care for someone post injury or stroke. I had it easy compared to most. That was another thing, because he was behind socially in school, he missed a lot of milestones beyond the driving stuff. No dances, no dates or parties, none of that. So he’s playing catch up now. And I also fell behind socially. It was a bit easier when he was younger because I was so busy with him that I didn’t have time to chase after friendships. All of these things are part of caregiving UNLESS you have a very stable support system in place beforehand. That’s not even close to how it works for most people.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:07:32am

re: #159 mmmirele

I carry a battery pack with me for my phone. Works better than being tethered to an extension cord.

I got one of those as a gift from work. Charged it up and threw it in my backpack. A few weeks later it came in handy when phone was almost dead and I was no where near anyplace to plug it in.

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dangerman  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:07:46am

re: #169 makeitstop

So, is Trump taking the gamble that a full-on Supply Side economic plan is going to win back fiscal conservatives?

Does he think they’re going to walk back through that door, and ignore the fact that the doorknob and most of the door itself are smeared thick with racist shit?

Might get his rich buddies on board, though. Interesting tactic - an angry broke dude/greedy rich dude coalition.
/

more than that would they even believe him?

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A Mom Anon  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:07:58am

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

You can answer me privately and I will not yell at you. I may be disappointed in you, but no yelling.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:09:18am

re: #181 A Mom Anon

You can answer me privately and I will not yell at you. I may be disappointed in you, but no yelling.

That’s a good idea, though it will have to wait, since work beckons.

I’ll be back later this week.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:10:34am

re: #178 A Mom Anon

Yes, he is driving on his own now, I am so proud of him. He’s still not what we call “highway ready”, but he can get to and from work and other places close to home. It took three years of almost daily lessons from me. He’s made friends (went to a concert the other night with TWO girls, who are his friends, no girlfriends, yet) and done pretty much everything the experts said no way to. But it was hard and it took a long, long time and a lot of anxiety and tears and fighting to get there. That’s what people don’t understand. I cannot imagine having to care for someone post injury or stroke. I had it easy compared to most. That was another thing, because he was behind socially in school, he missed a lot of milestones beyond the driving stuff. No dances, no dates or parties, none of that. So he’s playing catch up now. And I also fell behind socially. It was a bit easier when he was younger because I was so busy with him that I didn’t have time to chase after friendships. All of these things are part of caregiving UNLESS you have a very stable support system in place beforehand. That’s not even close to how it works for most people.

I am glad he’s doing well. I have my good days but I still have my bad ones. I too have had so many experts try to define me about what they think I can’t do. I totally understand where he’s going through with catch up. I feel much more at ease with people than I did when I was in high school. Still a struggle though. And I have to confess that my depression and anxiety’s been acting up a lot lately.

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Great White Snark  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:12:39am

re: #166 HappyWarrior

Wingnuts repeatedly whine about Muslims not accepting our values and integrating and here this woman is competing on our national fencing team. That’s America at its best if you ask me. I know I’m not the subject audience of your tweet though heh.

Wingnuts and extremists just won’t get it but we gotta try.

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A Mom Anon  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:14:17am

re: #183 HappyWarrior

That never goes away, the anxiety thing. You have to learn to manage it with whatever works for you. Exercise, music, meditation, that kind of thing, beyond medication if that’s an option for you. But yes, it is harder sometimes than it should be. Our brains are very mysterious in how they work and how different and yet the same we all are.

Our next challenge is trying to get this young man to understand he needs to begin applying for jobs above the minimum wage he’s making now. He’s comfortable where he is, but there is no advancement and no raises, he has to go after a promotion and it’s been tough trying to convince him he has to do this.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:14:22am

re: #184 Great White Snark

Wingnuts and extremists just won’t get it but we gotta try.

No doubt.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:16:01am

re: #186 A Mom Anon

That never goes away, the anxiety thing. You have to learn to manage it with whatever works for you. Exercise, music, meditation, that kind of thing, beyond medication if that’s an option for you. But yes, it is harder sometimes than it should be. Our brains are very mysterious in how they work and how different and yet the same we all are.

Our next challenge is trying to get this young man to understand he needs to begin applying for jobs above the minimum wage he’s making now. He’s comfortable where he is, but there is no advancement and no raises, he has to go after a promotion and it’s been tough trying to convince him he has to do this.

It really is a sham how they treat employees on the spectrum. It’s something I really would like to hear more candidates talk about. I’ve always struggled to find not just good work that fits my education but stable work. But yes anxiety never goes away. Some days are better than others of course.

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:18:45am
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Lidane  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:18:59am

Desperate #NeverTrump faction is desperate:

Too little, too late. Ballot access is gone in half the country and more states have filing deadlines this week.

I’ve seen people pointing out that the states that still have ballot availability include Arizona, Utah, Nevada, and Idaho, i.e., states with heavy Mormon populations. This McMullin guy is from Utah. These are all states where Trump is either losing or barely winning in razor thin margins over Hillary. It sounds like a desperate strategy to get Mormon voters to the polls by giving them an option that isn’t Trump so they’ll still vote in the down-ticket races.

I get that NeverTrump-ers are wanting to stem the bleeding, but they really need to let Trump lose as badly as possible so that the GOP purges the Trumpkins from the party and tries to claw their way back to some semblance of reality. All this does is give the Trump faction a ready-made excuse when Cheeto Jesus inevitably loses in November.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:19:49am

I don’t think the Rules of Golf cover that “Hazard”

Giant Gator Walks Across Florida Golf Course

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:20:53am

re: #190 Lidane

Sometimes it takes a shattering defeat to bring people to their senses. Sounds to me that’s what the GOP needs to endure. An absolute electoral debacle.

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:21:08am

So, the Trump tax plan that would have added $1T of debt annually over next decade has been disappeared by the Trump campaign.

In its place is the speech he’ll be giving today that promises to be the same level of vaporware, empty platitudes and budget busting BS.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:21:22am

re: #189 lawhawk

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He never honestly did even if he met the filing deadlines. The never Trumpers couldn’t find even one person who’s been in elected office and has an idea of the process works?

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A Mom Anon  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:22:49am

re: #188 HappyWarrior

I will say this about Hillary. Her website’s policy section has a couple of catagories about autism and people with disabilities. No other candidate has even bothered to mention it except Yam Boy’s spewing about autism being caused by vaccines on Twitter.

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dangerman  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:23:15am

to one and all on this day thats exactly like any other:

as we wage whatever our individual daily struggles, routines, achievements, chores, rites, ruts are.

i dont let myself think that these distract me or otherwise interfere with my “serious (dangerous) pursuits”.

they are not difficulties for me to quickly complete or escape from so that i can get back to “life”.

they are the path. they are life.

and with that, im off to walk todays path

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sagehen  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:24:00am

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

I’m not going to answer that question because I’ll get downdinged and screamed at if I do.

In other words, you know your answer is unsupportable.

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Jayleia  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:24:04am

re: #194 HappyWarrior

They can’t even find people who have a 25% name recognition IN THEIR OWN HOME.

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:24:53am

Meanwhile, on a day ending in Y:

They’re responding to what they called multiple threats at the Marco Island Mariott Resort hotel. Roads blocked and law enforcement responding to suspicious activity.

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KerFuFFler  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:25:02am

What really frustrates me about GOP economic thinking is that they are willing to embrace a counter-intuitive notion, the laffer curve, and act like it applies universally to all situations even though it is true only in certain very specific circumstances. So yeah, there are instances when lowering tax rates can increase revenues but our current tax situation is not one of those instances.

Then they reject the admittedly counter-intuitive idea that paying higher wages may increase profits down the road. It may not in all circumstances, but when demand for goods is so low because workers have no extra money to spend, increasing wages is likely to have a very beneficial effect on the economy as a whole.

But, of course, the goal is never to improve the economy as a whole. The goal is to shift ever more money and power to the wealthy. The laffer curve is just a fig leaf of an excuse to lower taxes on the rich.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:25:30am

re: #195 A Mom Anon

I will say this about Hillary. Her website’s policy section has a couple of catagories about autism and people with disabilities. No other candidate has even bothered to mention it except Yam Boy’s spewing about autism being caused by vaccines on Twitter.

I did notice that about her. It’s what I meant in the primaries when I felt that Clinton was more inclusive than Sanders. I mean I like Sanders idea to make education more affordable for all, do not get me wrong but there’s so much more than just that. I have a BA yet I struggle to find work that matches my degree and skillset and a lot of it because of how I think I’m being viewed on the spectrum. I mean I don’t tell every employer that I nterview with what I have but most people know there’s something off about me. It doesn’t matter how hard I try to hide it with weak attempts to being able to do small talk. I am who I am. I’m hopng a President Clinton would expaind a lot of the stuff Obama’s started on the federal government and persons with disabilities.

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dangerman  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:26:22am

re: #190 Lidane

Desperate #NeverTrump faction is desperate:

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I get that NeverTrump-ers are wanting to stem the bleeding, but they really need to let Trump lose as badly as possible so that the GOP purges the Trumpkins from the party and tries to claw their way back to some semblance of reality. All this does is give the Trump faction a ready-made excuse when Cheeto Jesus inevitably loses in November.

ok really my last comment

theyll “let” him lose. many still wont “help” all they can to ensure it

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:27:09am

re: #199 lawhawk

Meanwhile, on a day ending in Y:

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They’re responding to what they called multiple threats at the Marco Island Mariott Resort hotel. Roads blocked and law enforcement responding to suspicious activity.

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gwangung  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:28:13am

re: #161 Great White Snark

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Actually, this picture makes me cackle with glee.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:29:05am

re: #105 dangerman

True cost of Zika

“Still, if even just one in 10 gets Zika, the CDC estimates that up to 13 percent of their unborn offspring could develop microcephaly. If just 13,000 babies are born in the U.S. with this disability or to women who migrated here for better medical treatment, the cost of keeping them alive and providing for their lifetime care could range from $13 billion to as much as $130 billion.”

where does marco figure that moneys going to come from?

I wouldn’t care about the money if these kids would have a decent quality of life. But they won’t; they’ll just suffer. But Republicans don’t care what happens to them after they’re born.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:29:48am

re: #200 KerFuFFler

What really frustrates me about GOP economic thinking is that they are willing to embrace a counter-intuitive notion, the laffer curve, and act like it applies universally to all situations even though it is true only in certain very specific circumstances. So yeah, there are instances when lowering tax rates can increase revenues but our current tax situation is not one of those instances.

Then they reject the admittedly counter-intuitive idea that paying higher wages may increase profits down the road. It may not in all circumstances, but when demand for goods is so low because workers have no extra money to spend, increasing wages is likely to have a very beneficial effect on the economy as a whole.

But, of course, the goal is never to improve the economy as a whole. The goal is to shift ever more money and power to the wealthy. The laffer curve is just a fig leaf of an excuse to lower taxes on the rich.

The also refuse to admit to the fact that you have the top 1% sitting on billions of dollars that could be going to the lowest income people through a minimum wage hike.

And the benefit to the lowest income people would be significantly more than another billion for the top 1%.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:31:00am

re: #205 Big Beautiful Door

I wouldn’t care about the money if these kids would have a decent quality of life. But they won’t; they’ll just suffer. But Republicans don’t care what happens to them after they’re born.

Hell, they don’t care about them before they’re born. I don’t see anyone in the GOP arguing for better prenatal care.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:33:37am

The problem with the conservative mindset on economics is simple. Their idea is if you give the wealthy tax cuts, they will spend it in the economy. That’s just not true. However, and this is a good case for middle class and poor tax cuts, they will spend it. Ours is a consumer driven economy. This is also part of the general case for better wages too. The problem is the conservative view of the economy comes from a time when wealth disparity wasn’t as high as it is now and furthermore what these conservatives won’t admit is that their policies are what has created these disparities and furthermore don’t see it as a problem. I’m not against people being rich. I am however firmly against the rich getting richer while the other classes have less growth. A government that invests in its citizenry in the end is a good government. We should want our citizens to be well educated, healthy, and able to travel on safe and modern roads.

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dangerman  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:33:46am

re: #205 Big Beautiful Door

I wouldn’t care about the money if these kids would have a decent quality of life. But they won’t; they’ll just suffer. But Republicans don’t care what happens to them after they’re born.

and that’s gotta be the immediate follow up question.
marco, if no abortions, and with these costs being astronomical and way out of reach of most/all families, exactly how do you propose the children be taken care of when they are born? where are these parents going to instantly gain the skills and expertise and financial ability needed to provide this care?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:34:16am

re: #207 Timothy Watson

Hell, they don’t care about them before they’re born. I don’t see anyone in the GOP arguing for better prenatal care.

They really think just think all that a baby needs is a married set of parents and they’re good pretty much.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:35:07am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:38:39am
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Belafon  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:42:34am

re: #200 KerFuFFler

What really frustrates me about GOP economic thinking is that they are willing to embrace a counter-intuitive notion, the laffer curve, and act like it applies universally to all situations even though it is true only in certain very specific circumstances. So yeah, there are instances when lowering tax rates can increase revenues but our current tax situation is not one of those instances.

Then they reject the admittedly counter-intuitive idea that paying higher wages may increase profits down the road. It may not in all circumstances, but when demand for goods is so low because workers have no extra money to spend, increasing wages is likely to have a very beneficial effect on the economy as a whole.

But, of course, the goal is never to improve the economy as a whole. The goal is to shift ever more money and power to the wealthy. The laffer curve is just a fig leaf of an excuse to lower taxes on the rich.

Actually, they don’t even believe in the curve. Evidence over the last couple of decades shows that decreasing taxes decreases revenue and depresses the economy; increasing taxes increases revenue and helps the economy. If they actually believed the curve, they would know they’re on the left side of the inflection point. They don’t give a shit.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:43:04am

re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Tangentially related to Stephen King and Things of Evil:

If you have Netflix, and haven’t watched Stranger Things yet… you should do so. I ended up watching five episodes yesterday.

Although if you spook easily (like I sometimes do) I would not recommend watching it past midnight, alone, in a dark basement.

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Lidane  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:43:37am
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KerFuFFler  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:45:28am

re: #206 Timothy Watson

The also refuse to admit to the fact that you have the top 1% sitting on billions of dollars that could be going to the lowest income people through a minimum wage hike.

And the benefit to the lowest income people would be significantly more than another billion for the top 1%.

I agree with you overall but would like to add that it is important to distinguish between the 1% and the .01%.

From an economic perspective, the most dramatic wealth gap is between middling millionaires, who have seen only modest gains, and the booming billionaires, who now seem to defy economic gravity. It’s between the guy making $300,000, who still feels poor, and the man who made $37 million a day for a year. Both are lumped together by politicians, the media and even economists as “the rich” or “the 1 percent,” who are gaining at the expense of everyone else.

But a new study by a top economist gives us the clearest picture to date of the wealth gap among the wealthy. Emmanuel Saez, an economics professor at the University of California, Berkeley, who is a leading expert on top incomes, and Gabriel Zucman, assistant professor at the London School of Economics and a visiting scholar at UC Berkeley, found that the top 1 percent is really two groups.

So yeah, the guy making 300 grand does not face the same challenges as the working poor, but is still in a totally different league from billionaires who are in a position to buy politicians, control legislation and really stick it to everyone. Conflating these two groups contributes to the lack of push back our society can direct at the immensely wealthy.

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:47:56am

This was a horrific accident in the Olympic road race, and the athletes have said that the course was poorly set up that was not just technically difficult, but dangerous. This particular section of the course was not made safe for the racers, given the nature of the slick conditions and “furniture” (the railings/curbs/and lack of safety barriers to reduce injuries to participants).

So, of course, you’ve got mansplainin’ by armchair guys whose experience cycling is watching it on tv. twitter.com

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makeitstop  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:48:50am

re: #215 Lidane

Trump’s economic team loaded with the same Tea Party cranks who destroyed Kansas’s economy

Is it too far beyond the pale to think that all these sons of bitches are on Putin’s payroll?

I mean, they got to try out all their hare-brained ideas in Kansas and it’s a financial wreck. And they want to roll it out nationwide?

Looks to me like they want to destroy the country from within.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:49:59am

Yay, Kevin’s Mom!

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Timothy Watson  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:50:37am

re: #218 makeitstop

Is it too far beyond the pale to think that all these sons of bitches are on Putin’s payroll?

I mean, they got to try out all their hare-brained ideas in Kansas and it’s a financial wreck. And they want to roll it out nationwide?

Looks to me like they want to destroy the country from within.

It would be wrong not to speculate.

/ (half)

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KerFuFFler  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:51:14am

re: #213 Belafon

If they actually believed the curve, they would know they’re on the left side of the inflection point. They don’t give a shit.

Exactly——-they don’t pay any attention to the actual details of the laffer curve argument; they simply exploit the sound bite tidbit about “lower taxes increasing revenues” so they can justify lowering our current tax rates. You are absolutely correct about our being on a completely different part of the curve where that result no longer holds.

I wish more people were comfortable with graphs…

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A Mom Anon  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:52:29am

re: #217 lawhawk

I was watching this race in real time, and it turned my stomach. Who picked this course? It was a mess. I get needing a challenge for these athletes, but that was just dangerous. She’s honestly lucky to be alive. One of the nastiest spills I’ve ever seen.

As for Mr. Mansplainer, I’m going out on a limb and say the last time he was on a bike was riding around on his Stingray in 5th grade. Really, he’s going to tell someone who rides a bike pretty much for a living how to ride? I would LOVE to see him do that course.

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Ubiq  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:54:34am

re: #110 makeitstop

Also, Rick Wilson needs a paycheck. Railing against Trump ain’t gonna get that mortgage paid, y’know.

I genuinely think that Rick Wilson is trying to further splinter the GOP vote this election, in order to make it harder for Trump to win.

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A Mom Anon  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:55:09am

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth

The only way that could have been more perfect is if Kevin’s Mom had also popped him upside the head with a “snap out of it!” ala Cher in Moonstruck.

What The Fuck Kevin?! needs to be a twitter thing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:55:45am
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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:55:55am

re: #222 A Mom Anon

And there were a couple of major crashes in the men’s race, including a racer who broke both collarbones. The course was downright vicious in spots. On downhills, there was no room for error, and going off course meant hitting immovable objects, like trees or permanent fencing. She was lucky to be alive.

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:56:28am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:57:30am

re: #227 lawhawk

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Drudge as usual lives up to his name.

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:02:25am

Trump’s tax plan apparently moving in line with the Ryan tax plan - top tax rate of 33%, which is lower than the current 39.6%.

Can’t wait for Tax Foundation to run their numbers on this shit show. I have no doubt that it’ll add trillions to the debt and continue to be a giveaway to the rich while everyone else sees nothing but red ink.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:02:31am

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

This weekend too.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:03:31am

re: #229 lawhawk

Trump’s tax plan apparently moving in line with the Ryan tax plan - top tax rate of 33%, which is lower than the current 39.6%.

Can’t wait for Tax Foundation to run their numbers on this shit show. I have no doubt that it’ll add trillions to the debt and continue to be a giveaway to the rich while everyone else sees nothing but red ink.

They’re not recommending a top rate of 0%? Damn Communist-Socialists.

/

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:04:40am

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

Not good enough.

I get yelled and screamed at when I have bonkers moment. I deal with it and apologize when I recognize I was in the wrong.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:06:16am

Is Trump speaking now? Debating on whether or not to assail my ears with that garbage for a bit.

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makeitstop  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:08:47am

re: #233 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Is Trump speaking now? Debating on whether or not to assail my ears with that garbage for a bit.

I’m genuinely curious as to whether he can actually deliver a straight address without veering off into ‘I’m-so-awesome-ville.’ I’ve got my doubts.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:08:54am

re: #233 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Is Trump speaking now? Debating on whether or not to assail my ears with that garbage for a bit.

Still just warmup speakers

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makeitstop  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:10:43am

re: #235 Backwoods_Sleuth

Still just warmup speakers lower Politburo members

FTFY

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:10:53am

There are teleprompters.

As if that will help him…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:13:08am

Pence introducing and is putting me to sleep.

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:13:52am

Well, no kidding. This was yet another bogus right wing talking point.

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CuriousLurker  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:14:09am

*SIGH* Long & depressing story, but it’s important reading:

NY Times: Researchers or Corporate Allies? Think Tanks Blur the Line

Can’t stay—BBL.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:14:19am

looking for a barf bag…

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danarchy  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:15:28am

re: #191 FormerDirtDart

I don’t think the Rules of Golf cover that “Hazard”

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Damn, that guy has to be close to the world record. hard to get an actual scale but if it isn’t over 15ft I’d be surprised.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:15:48am

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

There are teleprompters.

As if that will help him…

Nothing wrong with teleprompters now, perfectly normal, unless Obama dictator runs for 3rd term.

/

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:16:12am

re: #192 Dr Lizardo

Sometimes it takes a shattering defeat to bring people to their senses. Sounds to me that’s what the GOP needs to endure. An absolute electoral debacle.

I don’t think it will do any good. They are so disconnected from reality that they believe they can’t fail.

Trump and Co. have already warned them the election will be ‘rigged’. They’ll latch onto that rather than engage in self examination.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:16:36am

re: #239 lawhawk

Well, no kidding. This was yet another bogus right wing talking point.

So you mean Dim Jim, Drudge and Dead Breitbart will be running with this “story” until 2021 then?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:17:17am

Donald’s combover is almost covering his eyebrows.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:17:28am

re: #244 Romantic Heretic

I don’t think it will do any good. They are so disconnected from reality that they believe they can’t fail.

Trump and Co. have already warned them the election will be ‘rigged’. They’ll latch onto that rather than engage in self examination.

You may well be right.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:18:49am

“When we we governed by the America First policy…things were great”

O_O

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Jenner7  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:18:52am

Hahaha, we got a heckler.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:19:28am

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

“When we we governed by the America First policy…things were great”

O_O

Eye roll.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:20:11am

roads and bridges are crumbling while we spend tax money on resettling refugees…

half of Detroit residents do not work.

Detroit tops list of most dangerous cities.

another protester.

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makeitstop  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:20:28am

re: #249 Jenner7

Hahaha, we got a heckler.

Already? Damn.

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Jenner7  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:20:31am

Even in his economic speech, he finds a way to shit on refugees.

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Jenner7  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:21:06am

And another heckler.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:21:11am

re: #206 Timothy Watson

The also refuse to admit to the fact that you have the top 1% sitting on billions of dollars that could be going to the lowest income people through a minimum wage hike.

And the benefit to the lowest income people would be significantly more than another billion for the top 1%.

Well, in their minds the rich are the saints of the capitalist religion and the poor are the worst of sinners.

Faith must be rewarded and sin will be punished.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:21:19am

Donald talking so slow. Pauses between almost every word.

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mmmirele  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:21:29am

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

“When we we governed by the America First policy…things were great”

O_O

“America First”? Didn’t the Anti-Defamation League ask him to cut that out?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:21:47am

dog whistle to charter schools.

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Jenner7  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:22:08am

No “crooked hillary” today?

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Timothy Watson  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:22:18am

re: #257 mmmirele

“America First”? Didn’t the Anti-Defamation League ask him to cut that out?

And you thought that would stop him?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:22:29am

third protester

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:22:47am

re: #259 Jenner7

No “crooked hillary” today?

he just started…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:23:33am
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451_Montag  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:24:33am

His cadence is like a 6 year old reading their lines in a school play

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:24:41am

Fourth protester and now Donald starts yelling.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:25:15am

“America First economic plan”

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:25:18am

Low energy speech. Sad!

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:25:41am

re: #215 Lidane

Quelle surprise.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:25:52am

“short-circulated…”
heh

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qubit2020  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:26:09am

I’m late to this party but, I just had to say this is an amazing song Charles shared. My daughter is going through a divorce (her husband left her with a 8 month old son). She just posted it on Facebook as her status. Sometimes I forget how deeply music can resonate until it happens again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:28:28am

more protesters

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Jenner7  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:28:29am

::yawn::

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Jenner7  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:29:35am

I think he’s been interrupted 6 times now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:30:59am

another protester.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:31:26am

Audio feed is terrible; can’t tell if some of these flubs are the feed or Trump’s fault.

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blueraven  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:31:57am

re: #264 451_Montag

His cadence is like a 6 year old reading their lines in a school play

He reminds me of the burned out Jake LaMotta practicing his lines in a hole in the wall club.

Raging Bull (12/12) Movie CLIP - I Could’ve Been a Contender (1980) HD

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:31:59am

upstate NY is a disaster and it’s all Hillary’s fault.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:32:22am

Quoting the NYPOST

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:32:36am

protesters aren’t giving up

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Jenner7  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:33:01am
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Stanley Sea  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:33:01am

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

protesters aren’t giving up

They are timing it!

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Timothy Watson  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:33:14am

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

protesters aren’t giving up

How long until he starts yelling at his staff for not preemptively kicking out the right people?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:33:19am

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

upstate NY is a disaster and it’s all Hillary’s fault.

Yes, Donald, it’s all the fault of a Senator. Good grief shut the fuck up.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:33:35am

re: #257 mmmirele

“America First”? Didn’t the Anti-Defamation League ask him to cut that out?

His alt right fanboys love it

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:33:43am

Donald quoting newspaper article about how he saved Central Park and Wall Street.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:34:07am

NYC was a disaster and he made it great…

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Stanley Sea  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:34:55am

Are all the protesters nicely dressed women?

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:34:58am

He is incapable of naturally delivering a long quote off of a TelePrompTer.

And these protesters have him just about ready to explode.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:34:59am

Obama’s economic recovery is the worst since the Great Depression…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:35:18am

re: #287 Stanley Sea

Are all the protesters nicely dressed women?

pretty much

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:36:27am

“Bernie Sanders people had more energy and spirit.” — Donald describing the protesters

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Jenner7  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:37:09am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:37:19am

“One in five American households doesn’t have a single member in the workforce.”

*thunk*

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:37:48am

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

And guess who is flying Delta today?

Just got an update that our flight has been delayed. Hoping it doesn’t end up cancelled. Any and all good lizard juju appreciated.

It’s a direct flight at least so, no getting screwed on connections.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:37:52am

re: #291 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Bernie Sanders people had more energy and spirit.” — Donald describing the protesters

Yeah, that’s why Clinton won.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:38:43am

Still no computer. I went to the break room to watch Donald’s speech. All the tv’s in here are tuned to Fox.

Haha, somebody turned the tv off!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:39:10am

“we have the highest business tax rate among industrialized countries”

“we punish companies for making products in America, but reward them for making them overseas”

gaaahhh

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KerFuFFler  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:39:19am

We have a lot higher percentage of retired households because people started having smaller families. That right there jacks up the % not in the workforce.

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Skip Intro  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:39:32am
“I hear that Donald Trump is watching the Olympics tonight. He’s seeing how high the Mexican pole vaulters go,”

- Gary Johnson

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:39:49am

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

upstate NY is a disaster and it’s all Hillary’s fault.

I was born and raised in upstate NY and the problems there started long before Bill Clinton was president. Hell the problems started in the 80’s when leather mills and other factories started shutting down. They were the life blood of that area. Even the plant my dad worked at shut down several years ago. Now you have to travel a pretty sizable distance (50 miles plus) to get to any major city for employment (that’s from the area I lived in). It’s not Hillary’s fault that’s for damn sure.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:40:01am

He’s going to reduce business taxes to 15%.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:41:53am

re: #276 blueraven

He reminds me of the burned out Jake LaMotta practicing his lines in a hole in the wall club.

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You know, watching that, I just realized; the final scene in Boogie Nights is more or less an homage to that final scene out of Raging Bull.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:42:18am

death tax.

DRINK!

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KerFuFFler  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:43:38am

He’s going to get rid of lots of regulations.

He has never heard of Chesterton’s fence. Basically, don’t take down a fence if you don’t have any idea why it was put there to begin with.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:43:38am

American motor vehicle production is most highly regulated in the world.
Donald will stop that.

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KerFuFFler  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:44:51am

Almost no one pays the “death tax”. Getting rid of it for the wealthiest does nothing to help hard working Americans.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:46:01am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:46:44am

we’re gonna win bigly!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:46:51am

re: #307 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Only when Obama or Clinton propose it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:47:06am

quoting Bernie again about how Hillary has bad judgment.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:47:08am

re: #305 Backwoods_Sleuth

You get a car crash and you get a car crash…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:47:32am

“$400 million in laundered money”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:48:18am

South Korea is bad.

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Belafon  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:48:57am

re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth

quoting Bernie again about how Hillary has bad judgment.

Clinton quoted every other Republican candidate. And the ones she quoted were a lot worse.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:49:15am

re: #305 Backwoods_Sleuth

American motor vehicle production is most highly regulated in the world.
Donald will stop that.

MAKING AMERICAN CARS GREAT AGAIN!!!

Ford Pinto Explosion

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:49:34am

Donald really does not have a clue about how trade deficits work.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:49:55am
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makeitstop  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:50:15am

Do you think the hecklers swung him off topic, or did he just go there on his own?

Trump - the ADD Canididate.

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Belafon  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:50:19am

re: #311 Eclectic Cyborg

You get a car crash and you get a car crash…

“How do we keep guns from being the biggest killer in America?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:51:12am

Hillary DELETED 33,000 emails….

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:51:14am

re: #240 CuriousLurker

I’m thinking of a little bit of Socratic dialog from Xenophon’s Memorabilia.

Antiphon: A plain proof, to my mind, that if you thought your society worth anything, you would ask for it not less than its equivalent in gold. Hence the conclusion to which I have come, as already stated: good and upright you may be, since you do not cheat people from pure selfishness; but wise you cannot be, since your knowledge is not worth a cent.

Socrates: Antiphon, it is a tenet which we cling to that beauty and wisdom have this in common, that there is a fair way and a foul way in which to dispose of them. The vendor of beauty purchases an evil name, but supposing the same person has discerned a soul of beauty in his lover and makes that man his friend, we regard his choice as sensible. So is it with wisdom; he who sells it for money to the first bidder we name a sophist, as though one should say a man who prostitutes his wisdom.

Think tanks are the modern sophists, prostitutes of wisdom.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:51:19am

Dead silence in the auditorium when he’s talking facts and specifics. He only gets a reaction when he rips on Hillary or Obama.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:51:44am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:53:22am

re: #318 makeitstop

Do you think the hecklers swung him off topic, or did he just go there on his own?

Trump - the ADD Canididate.

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Jenner7  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:53:42am

This is just…..awful.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:54:55am

Ripping on China, such a long list of things and he’s making no sense.

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darthstar  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:56:15am
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makeitstop  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:56:20am

re: #325 Jenner7

This is just…..awful.

I get the feeling his keepers really wanted a ‘presidential’ performance out of him today so they could say the pivot was actually happening.

Trump clearly does not have the smarts to do it. He’ll always just be that loudmouthed douche from Queens.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:56:44am

A helpful reminder from Trump that the name of our country is the United States of America.

He’s also “totally in favor of trade.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:57:30am

re: #147 nines09

[Embedded content]

Pull up to get my mutt from my new groomer till my old one recovers from surgery, and I notice a big dog on the hill and THAT’S NO DOG. So I wait until he/she lumbers off.

So she tells me, “Oh that’s our bears. Two cubs and mama.” Ok. “Guy behinds us feeds them. Mama bears is much bigger, and has some brown down her back. Ok. Nice to know. If cubby wanders down to the other side of the road and mama comes a looking as you pull in, just hand her a Milk Bone?

OK, Bears who associate people with food are VERY DANGEROUS.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:57:46am

anti-energy regulations…
“expensive conversions on coal-fired plants”

Yeah, talk about coal mining in Detroit…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:58:14am

Citing numbers from Heritage Foundation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:58:45am

unleash an energy revolution….

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wrenchwench  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:59:02am

re: #240 CuriousLurker

*SIGH* Long & depressing story, but it’s important reading:

NY Times: Researchers or Corporate Allies? Think Tanks Blur the Line

Can’t stay—BBL.

nytimes.com <———-this very similar looking link works for me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:00:42am

He’s been working on his economic plan with Ivanka…

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Stanley Sea  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:00:58am

Ivanka, fashion designer & energy secretary,.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:01:36am

Donald is just throwing out random words and phrases now.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:02:32am

Ivanka wrote this speech & warned him to stay on script

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:02:43am

re: #300 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I was born and raised in upstate NY and the problems there started long before Bill Clinton was president. Hell the problems started in the 80’s when leather mills and other factories started shutting down. They were the life blood of that area. Even the plant my dad worked at shut down several years ago. Now you have to travel a pretty sizable distance (50 miles plus) to get to any major city for employment (that’s from the area I lived in). It’s not Hillary’s fault that’s for damn sure.

And Rochester saw Kodak and Xerox fritter away their technological prowess and become also rans as the imaging businesses went digital and they didn’t change with the times (Kodak developed first digital cameras, and ultimately got billions in patent royalties that kept the company afloat as the print business withered away and they failed to adapt).

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:02:58am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:03:04am

repealing Obamacare will save another 2 million American jobs.

whut?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:03:37am

complete reform of Veterans Administration…

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Sir John Barron  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:03:47am

re: #340 FormerDirtDart

Damn, womens, why do we let them vote again? And the blacks, why they can vote?

///

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:04:15am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:04:17am

Who knew you could write a campaign speech using Mad Libs?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:04:30am

rigged system…

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Kaessa  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:04:35am

re: #141 A Mom Anon

You can’t vote for someone not on the ballot. Write in I suppose, but honest to god Dark, I want you to tell me all the bad reasons you just can’t vote for Hillary. I want to know, because every conservative I ask this either leaves the conversation, or begins babbling about emails, Bengahzi, The airport at Mena, Vince Foster or some Alex Jones you tube video. So, you know, nothing.

So tell me D_F, what is so awful about her?

There’s a (D) after her name.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:04:36am

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

repealing Obamacare will save another 2 million American jobs.

whut?

Will saves Eleventy millions of jobs!!!!!

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:04:43am

“[C]ountless billions of dollars” saved by walking away from defense agreements. Countless! So much cash it’ll make your head spin!

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wrenchwench  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:05:20am

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

repealing Obamacare will save open up another 2 million American jobs.

whut?

When the workforce starts dying off…

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Sir John Barron  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:05:34am

re: #344 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not sure this is productive, but it’s kinda funny.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:05:36am

re: #340 FormerDirtDart

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I don’t think you can discount the power of that commercial with the kids.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:05:49am

American cars, American planes, American ships!!!11!!!!

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darthstar  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:05:54am

re: #346 Backwoods_Sleuth

rigged system…

It’s only rigged if you’re losing.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:06:22am

re: #350 wrenchwench

When the workforce starts dying off…

Don’t think this point gets enough mention.

/

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dangerman  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:06:28am

re: #347 Kaessa

There’s a (D) after her name.

’s what i said too

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:06:32am

American hands will rebuild this country…

not sure it’s a good idea to use the words “hands”…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:07:17am

America will reach amazing heights, amazing heights maybe never reached before…

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:07:20am

re: #322 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Dead silence in the auditorium when he’s talking facts and specifics. He only gets a reaction when he rips on Hillary or Obama.

That is why I call this the WWE campaign. No facts or ‘real world’ to get in the way of gut hatred, violence and rage.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:08:08am

re: #359 Eventual Carrion

That is why I call this the WWE campaign. No facts or ‘real world’ to get in the way of gut hatred, violence and rage.

Yup. Now he’s in stump-speech mode, and he’s getting more into it, and so is the crowd. Useless platitudes for everyone!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:08:22am
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TedStriker  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:08:26am

re: #347 Kaessa

There’s a (D) after her name.

That’s pretty much Dark’s “three little words” that he’s so afraid that’ll get him downdinged to oblivion:

“Hillary’s a Democrat.”

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wrenchwench  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:09:02am

re: #358 Backwoods_Sleuth

America will reach amazing heights, amazing heights maybe never reached before…

‘How will we do it? Fast!’

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Jenner7  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:09:17am

Stop believing in politicians and start believing in me!

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makeitstop  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:09:25am

re: #360 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Yup. Now he’s in stump-speech mode, and he’s getting more into it, and so is the crowd. Useless platitudes for everyone!

So much for the ‘major economic address,’ eh?

His minders must be backstage pulling their hair out. Heh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:09:28am

Maybe I missed it, but I don’t think he mentioned Keystone specifically by name.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:09:58am

re: #322 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Dead silence in the auditorium when he’s talking facts and specifics. He only gets a reaction when he rips on Hillary or Obama.

What “facts and specifics”? It will be yooge, very very yooge trust me believe me your head will spin from so much facts and specifics!

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dangerman  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:10:05am

re: #362 TedStriker

That’s pretty much Dark’s “three little words” that he’s so afraid that’ll get him downdinged to oblivion:

“Hillary’s a Democrat.”

it still doesnt explain how not voting for her helps beat him

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Sir John Barron  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:10:51am

re: #365 makeitstop

So much for the ‘major economic address,’ eh?

His minders must be backstage pulling their hair out. Heh.

Any Lock Her Up!!!!! chants yet?

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Jenner7  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:12:23am

Again, no detailed policy and no one cares to ask him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:12:46am
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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:13:27am

re: #367 The Vicious Babushka

What “facts and specifics”? It will be yooge, very very yooge trust me believe me your head will spin from so much facts and specifics!

I’m defining down “facts” for Trump, probably should have put that in quotes originally.

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sagehen  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:13:59am

re: #352 Stanley Sea

I don’t think you can discount the power of that commercial with the kids.

College-educated women, it’s the “if she’s sexually harassed she should change jobs” that did it. Because Every. Single. One. of us has been sexually harassed. Even the ugly ones. And we all know it does not go well for us if we complain about it, or use it as a reason to switch jobs.

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dangerman  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:14:09am

re: #371 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I know it sounds crazy, but hear me out: repeatedly interrupting Trump during a speech isn’t going to persuade people not to vote for him

and it give him more air time

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makeitstop  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:14:26am

I wonder what happens after he gets done delivering yet another shitpile of a speech and walks offstage. What do his staffers say?

To his face…

‘Great speech, boss!’

You really nailed that one, Mr. Trump!’

‘That’ll give us a nice bump in the polls for sure!’

Behind his back…

‘Can’t he stay on message for just one goddamn speech?’

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:15:41am

re: #374 dangerman

and it give him more air time

On the flip side, the protests were the most interesting part of the speech.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:16:18am

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freetoken  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:17:46am

The Emperor Strikes Back: Japan’s Monarch Takes On Imperialist Abe

Monday’s speech left little doubt his desire and intent is to step down, if such a thing can be arranged, but more importantly it marks the prelude to what may be an epic battle between the emperor’s successor, Crown Prince Naruhito, and the man some critics call the Clown Prince—Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, leader of Japan’s ruling Liberal Democratic Party.

The emperor played his ace card - he can talk to the entire nation anytime he wants and they will listen. Abe and his ilk are throwbacks, like Drumpfskind (but with a whole lot more sophistication), and while the emperor holds little formal power, he seems intent to not slip away quietly as the object of a cult.

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Jenner7  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:18:47am
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makeitstop  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:19:16am

re: #376 A wild WITHAK appeared!

On the flip side, the protests were the most interesting part of the speech.

And if the hecklers eventually goad him into a Lonesome Rhodes moment, so much the better.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:20:07am
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darthstar  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:21:09am

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

I might vote for him anyways, since he’s a Republican (that (I) notwithstanding) who is Not Trump.

Oh, just fucking vote for Trump and make daddy happy. You live in Illinois and it’s blue as fuck this year so it won’t make a YUUUGE difference and you won’t have to deal with the awkward silences at the Thanksgiving table.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:23:23am
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:23:51am

So I’m getting acquainted with new co workers and they’re like do you have any hobbies and I’m like yeah I love baking and they’re like oh yeah! We’re really into eating.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:24:03am

Donald Trump’s New Childcare Plan Would Only Help The Rich

In his economic policy speech on Monday, Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump is expected to announce a new policy: allowing families to fully deduct the cost of their childcare expenses from their taxes.

snip

Meanwhile, if childcare expenses are fully deductible with no cap at all, the more a family spends on child care the more it benefits. “For folks who are in the upper earning bracket, who have a higher tax rate to begin with, and who are paying more money to have child care options like au pairs for example, those people are likely to receive large cost savings,” said Sarah Jane Glynn, director of women’s economic policy at the Center for American Progress. “Whereas a single working mom who makes around the minimum wage is going to get nothing out of this.”

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:24:31am
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Skip Intro  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:24:39am

Trump’s First Day as President.

“So many things to do. Luckily I have the best metabolism ever. I need to name my cabinet. I’m going to make Ivanka secretary of state. And Tiffany will be over at Defense. Keep it in the family. Since my boys are so into wildlife, I’ll put them over at Interior, where they can endanger a few species. Rudy, Newt and Chris can fight over the scraps.

“My temperament is so perfect for this job. The greatest temperament in the history of temperaments because you go through pressure and you have to be able to handle pressure. The brouhaha over whether I was a nut job was so unfair. It got so big that Dr. Phil and Dr. Drew were both on TV analyzing my so-called narcissistic personality disorder.

“They said this happens when megalomania and a sense of omnipotence, which are normal in childhood, are carried over into adulthood. They said the symptoms are an excessive need for admiration, a lack of empathy for others’ feelings, an obsession with achieving power and success, and the desire to take advantage of people around you.

“Does that even sound remotely like me? Not a chance. Sounds more like Bill Clinton and Ted Cruz.

nytimes.com

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wrenchwench  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:24:41am

re: #373 sagehen

College-educated women, it’s the “if she’s sexually harassed she should change jobs” that did it. Because Every. Single. One. of us has been sexually harassed. Even the ugly ones. And we all know it does not go well for us if we complain about it, or use it as a reason to switch jobs.

I was going to say, ‘Starting IN college!’ until I remembered it started when I was a baby sitter.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:26:05am

re: #385 Backwoods_Sleuth

Donald Trump’s New Childcare Plan Would Only Help The Rich

snip

Of course Ivanka made up this childcare plan based on her own needs.

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Lidane  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:26:05am

re: #340 FormerDirtDart

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:26:08am
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Sir John Barron  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:26:10am

re: #384 The Vicious Babushka

So I’m getting acquainted with new co workers and they’re like do you have any hobbies and I’m like yeah I love baking and they’re like oh yeah! We’re really into eating.

Pies, pies. Everywhere pies.

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Jebediah, RBG  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:26:31am

re: #217 lawhawk

Jesus farging christ, she was leading the Olympic road race. I think she is pretty well beyond “first lesson.”
$10,000 says he couldn’t hold her wheel for even 300 meters.

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wrenchwench  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:27:16am

re: #392 Sir John Barron

Pies, pies. Everywhere pies.

The song at the top is a pie song.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:27:30am

re: #392 Sir John Barron

Pies, pies. Everywhere pies.

Blockin’ up the kitchen, expanding my waistline

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Sir John Barron  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:27:55am

re: #390 Lidane

Trump’s whole primary campaign was My polls are big and awesome, I am winning all the polls, my opponents polls are really bad.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:28:01am

re: #390 Lidane

Respond with video of every Trump rally.

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:29:07am

3 brackets, which depending on where the brackets are drawn, could mean tax hikes for all but the wealthiest.

Mind you the GOP keeps claiming that the tax code needs to be simplified and they think that the tax brackets are the problem.

It isn’t.

Figuring out the tax based on the brackets is actually the most straight forward computation. It’s all the other credits, deductions, addbacks, and other adjustments like the AMT that add complexity.

If you want simplification, you can state that anyone making over $5 million has to pay 40% tax on all income (including capital gains). That’s a easier computation than having to do both the regular computation, the AMT and then figuring out the separate rates on capital gains/losses, plus figuring out all the other phase-outs for various other credits or deductions.

Moreover, the rationale for cutting taxes doesn’t make sense when your big issue is reducing debt. It wont grow the economy enough to make sense, and Trump’s last plan was a massive debt bomb. This is likely to do a similar amount of damage.

I’m going to go on a limb and say it adds about $6 trillion to the debt over 10 years (versus the $10-12 trillion over 10 years like his prior one). All this does is fudge the numbers around the fringes, while assuming that economic growth is several times the historical averages.

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Kragar  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:30:00am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:30:39am
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makeitstop  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:30:42am

re: #390 Lidane

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They’re finally down to ‘Well, if you take the polls out of it, Trump’s totally winning!’

Sad.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:31:21am
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darthstar  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:32:24am

re: #390 Lidane

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dangerman  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:32:51am

re: #398 lawhawk

well done, and you’re right

unfortunately brackets is all the masses understand - it’s an easy sell

you want simplification?
i always start with one question: define “income”. what is. what isnt first do individual. then do a business

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Timothy Watson  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:34:14am

re: #398 lawhawk

Everyone would be seeing a tax increase. Currently, the first $9,275 a single individual makes is taxed at 10%. If he gets rid of the 10% bracket and puts that same amount in the 12% bracket, that would be a tax increase of $185.50.

(Remember that individual tax rates are marginal rates.)

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:35:37am

He really did say “titties.”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:35:57am

re: #403 darthstar

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Well none of his alt-right friends support her!

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Lidane  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:36:00am

re: #397 Eclectic Cyborg

Respond with video of every Trump rally.

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:36:26am

re: #403 darthstar

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:36:52am

re: #408 Lidane

Wow, when Frank Luntz is calling you out for being a moron… you’ve hit rock bottom.

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:37:26am

re: #410 A wild WITHAK appeared!

If Bill Kristol piles on, you know that it’s bad.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:37:36am

re: #408 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Must not retweet Frank Luntz.
Must not retweet Frank Luntz.
MUST NOT RETWEET FRANK LUNTZ.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:37:55am

pretty much…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:39:04am

re: #413 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just like the Good ol’ Days(tm)

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freetoken  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:39:11am
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Kragar  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:39:41am

re: #403 darthstar

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Sir John Barron  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:40:23am

re: #406 Charles Johnson

He really did say “titties.”

Freudian slip.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:40:59am

re: #417 Sir John Barron

Freudian slip.

Was he talking about Ivanka?

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Sir John Barron  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:41:21am

re: #398 lawhawk

3 brackets, which depending on where the brackets are drawn, could mean tax hikes for all but the wealthiest.

Mind you the GOP keeps claiming that the tax code needs to be simplified and they think that the tax brackets are the problem.

It isn’t.

Figuring out the tax based on the brackets is actually the most straight forward computation. It’s all the other credits, deductions, addbacks, and other adjustments like the AMT that add complexity.

If you want simplification, you can state that anyone making over $5 million has to pay 40% tax on all income (including capital gains). That’s a easier computation than having to do both the regular computation, the AMT and then figuring out the separate rates on capital gains/losses, plus figuring out all the other phase-outs for various other credits or deductions.

Moreover, the rationale for cutting taxes doesn’t make sense when your big issue is reducing debt. It wont grow the economy enough to make sense, and Trump’s last plan was a massive debt bomb. This is likely to do a similar amount of damage.

I’m going to go on a limb and say it adds about $6 trillion to the debt over 10 years (versus the $10-12 trillion over 10 years like his prior one). All this does is fudge the numbers around the fringes, while assuming that economic growth is several times the historical averages.

The best brackets. His brackets are big and awesome.

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freetoken  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:41:23am

re: #417 Sir John Barron

Freudian slip.

Nietzschean nip?

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:42:43am

Boobie!!!

Boobies are titilated.

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Lidane  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:42:49am
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:43:22am

re: #378 freetoken

That’s pretty huge that the Emperor has come out in opposition to the Prime Minister. That hasn’t happened in Western Monarchies in a very long time. Hasn’t happened in Japan for a long time either, not since the Meiji Restoration about 150 years ago.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:44:10am

re: #423 Ziggy_TARDIS

That’s pretty huge that the Emperor has come out in opposition to the Prime Minister. That hasn’t happened in Western Monarchies in a very long time. Hasn’t happened in Japan for a long time either, not since the Meiji Restoration about 150 years ago.

From the little I know about Japan’s politics, Abe is pretty fanatical and flirts with the Japanese historical revisionist common on Japanese right wing nationalists.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:44:33am

re: #416 Kragar

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Trump has so many great friends. //

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Belafon  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:46:03am

re: #422 Lidane

He could have left out “somewhat”.

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Lidane  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:47:49am

re: #409 lawhawk

The only evidence is that this guy is a blithering moron:

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:48:23am

538 just updated its forecast and Trump’s poll numbers just keep deteriorating.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:49:04am

re: #424 HappyWarrior

That’s correct.

Looking at Japan’s history, it seems that the Emperor has never really been much more than a figurehead for hundreds of years.

The strongest Emperor in relatively recent terms (since, say 1750), the Meiji Emperor, ended up having less power than the oligarchs who ended up with power. The Meiji Constitution was in theory, a democratic document. But it didn’t quite work out in reality.

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makeitstop  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:49:42am

re: #427 Lidane

The only evidence is that this guy is a blithering moron:

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The guy does a stupid podcast, and he’s right while every reputable polling joint in the country’s got it wrong?

Ohhh-kayyyyy, then….

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:50:07am

Trump’s latest iteration of a tax plan can’t be scored unless and until you know what the brackets are, and how the various components of the plan are figured. He hasn’t figured any of that, probably because all they did was throw together a bunch of numbers and figure no one will dig deeper to ask what they represent, where the brackets are drawn, and what that means to the revenue generated.

We can’t tell if the top bracket hits at a lower dollar level than the current top bracket, and then you get this nonsensical gibberish about the child care credit/deduction/something vague. As he spoke about it, it would seem to help only those with high incomes, like his daughter. It wouldn’t help someone on minimum wage, since they’d be limited in what they could deduct. That helps precisely the wrong folks.

Throw in the estate tax repeal and regulation freeze/rollback.

Rinse and repeat.

It’s an ill conceived tax plan that does nothing but burden shift from the rich to everyone else.

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Jenner7  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:50:08am

Trump tells us to go to his website for details on his tax plan and it’s nowhere to be found.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:50:47am

re: #432 Jenner7

Trump tells us to go to his website for details on his ta plan and it’s nowhere to be found.

Use the google I don’t have time to do yur research for you!!!!111

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:50:56am

re: #429 Ziggy_TARDIS

That’s correct.

Looking at Japan’s history, it seems that the Emperor has never really been much more than a figurehead for hundreds of years.

The strongest Emperor in relatively recent terms (since, say 1750), the Meiji Emperor, ended up having less power than the oligarchs who ended up with power. The Meiji Constitution was in theory, a democratic document. But it didn’t quite work out in reality.

Thanks. Really need to read more Japanese history. I went with Chinese when I was pressed with having to have an Asian history course for my required credits for my degree. Surprised and impressed he’s speaking out.

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:51:27am

re: #432 Jenner7

Trump tells us to go to his website for details on his ta plan and it’s nowhere to be found.

They deleted the old plan, and replaced it with vaporware.

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Lidane  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:51:31am

re: #430 makeitstop

The guy does a stupid podcast, and he’s right while every reputable polling joint in the country’s got it wrong?

Ohhh-kayyyyy, then….

Well duh. Trump’s got all those Facebook likes and Twitter folllowers. And all those people go to his rallies. WINNING!

This is the RWNJ version of the Bernie Or Bust morons using rally attendance as proof that Bernie was secretly winning the primary.

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Kragar  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:51:55am

re: #427 Lidane

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:52:17am

re: #428 Big Beautiful Door

According to that map as of now there only 5 states very strongly leading Republican. Think about that.

And Mississippi isn’t on that list.

Strange times indeed.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:53:14am

re: #428 Big Beautiful Door

538 just updated its forecast and Trump’s poll numbers just keep deteriorating.

I was going to post something on this earlier but hesitated, not wanting to go too far in encouraging the notion that this race is in the bag. I’ll also feel much better about the stability of the polls and projections after Labor Day.

But yeah. Also, the Now forecast was like 91.5% this morning.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:53:18am

re: #432 Jenner7

Trump tells us to go to his website for details on his tax plan and it’s nowhere to be found.

Ivanka and Eric are still working on it.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:55:03am

It just seems to me that Trump and honestly any Republican faced an uphill battle. Democrats strength is growing in parts and demographics of the country that is growing. The Republicans if they have any growth at all, it is in places that are getting smaller and have shrinking demos. The GOP has pretty much become the old white guy’s party and that’s it.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:55:25am

re: #439 Sir John Barron

I was going to post something on this earlier but hesitated, not wanting to go too far in encouraging the notion that this race is in the bag. I’ll also feel much better about the stability of the polls and projections after Labor Day.

But yeah. Also, the Now forecast was like 91.5% this morning.

On the Nowcast Clinton is up to 95.4% now.

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Jenner7  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:55:44am

Oh my god, I just read his “plan” to have Mexico pay for the wall. It’s fucking appalling.

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KerFuFFler  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:56:01am

The same people who believe that the election was stolen from Romney because their “unskewed” polls gave them a different outcome are coming up with plans like wearing red on election day to show support for Trump so the media can’t lie about how much support he had.

So how is this supposed to work considering that there are lots of mailed in ballots and several days of voting? Who is supposed to count how many people are wearing red in every polling place in the country? How are these “counters” supposed to be kept honest? Yeah, let’s videotape everyone in every line at every polling place and tally them up. And what about democrats who happen to wear red?

Gee willigers, these people are morons……unless…..the real reason to adopt their dress code is to intimidate democratic voters in places where they are in the minority.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:57:01am

re: #444 KerFuFFler

The same people who believe that the election was stolen from Romney because their “unskewed” polls gave them a different outcome are coming up with plans like wearing red on election day to show support for Trump so the media can’t lie about how much support he had.

So how is this supposed to work considering that there are lots of mailed in ballots and several days of voting? Who is supposed to count how many people are wearing red in every polling place in the country? How are these “counters” supposed to be kept honest? Yeah, let’s videotape everyone in every line at every polling place and tally them up. And what about democrats who happen to wear red?

Gee willigers, these people are morons……unless…..the real reason to adopt their dress code is to intimidate democratic voters in places where they are in the minority.

There were more people wearing Red than Blue election day so fraud!!!! True the Vote!!!!111

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Lidane  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:57:17am

re: #443 Jenner7

Oh my god, I just read his “plan” to have Mexico pay for the wall. It’s fucking appalling.

I don’t want to pollute my browser with Trump’s site. What are the details?

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Sir John Barron  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:57:35am

re: #442 Big Beautiful Door

On the Nowcast Clinton is up to 95.4% now.

Has SC going 50.4% to HRC. That sure would be sweet.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:59:04am

re: #447 Sir John Barron

Has SC going 50.4% to HRC. That sure would be sweet.

The more states that are in play, the more house and senate seats that could flip.

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Jenner7  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:59:07am

re: #446 Lidane

Stop “aliens” from sending money to Mexico unless they can prove they are legal.

Stop issuing visas.

I stopped reading after that.

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Interesting Times  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:59:26am

re: #439 Sir John Barron

I was going to post something on this earlier but hesitated, not wanting to go too far in encouraging the notion that this race is in the bag. I’ll also feel much better about the stability of the polls and projections after Labor Day.

Not just that, but the debates (first one Sep 26th, I think). Because we can be 99% certain of at least two things:

1) Trump will be declared the winner as long as he literally doesn’t crap on stage
2) ASSange will do a dump of his own

Re 2, I gather they’ll be trying to smear the Clinton Foundation in some way. Can anyone sum up what the supposed controversy is there?

I fear googling will inevitably result in having to wade through a morass of derp…

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Belafon  Aug 8, 2016 • 11:00:46am

re: #451 Interesting Times

1) Trump will be declared the winner as long as he literally doesn’t crap on stage

It’s Trump. He’s getting to the point where he might try that just to say he did something no one expected.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 11:00:52am
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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 8, 2016 • 11:01:00am

re: #451 Interesting Times

Not just that, but the debates (first one Sep 26th, I think). Because we can be 99% certain of at least two things:

1) Trump will be declared the winner as long as he literally doesn’t crap on stage
2) ASSange will do a dump of his own

Re 2, I gather they’ll be trying to smear the Clinton Foundation in some way. Can anyone sum up what the supposed controversy is there?

I fear googling will inevitably result in having to wade through a morass of derp…

Furriners have made contributions to the Clinton Foundation, which is the same thing as bribing the Clintons.

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Lidane  Aug 8, 2016 • 11:01:53am

re: #450 Jenner7

Stop “aliens” from sending money to Mexico unless they can prove they are legal.

Stop issuing visas.

I stopped reading after that.

LOL! Outlawing and/or restricting remittances is a non-starter. The banks and financial services sectors make a shit ton of money from that. They’re not going to stand for anything that interferes with that.

The visa thing is retarded given the sheer number of Mexicans who go to college here. Not going to happen either.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2016 • 11:03:11am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 11:03:16am

re: #449 Big Beautiful Door

The more states that are in play, the more house and senate seats that could flip.

Oh please oh please give people like Rubio, Paul, and others the old slip.

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Franklin  Aug 8, 2016 • 11:03:22am

re: #398 lawhawk

Exactly. A highschooler who barely stayed awake in Excel 101 could write a formula to determine taxes based on brackets/marginal income. It’s all the other things you mention that are what complicate things.

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darthstar  Aug 8, 2016 • 11:05:03am

re: #399 Kragar

Now I’m in a dilemna. I don’t like Trump, but he says “titties”…Hillary won’t even mention titties. Why is she afraid to call them by name?

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Stanley Sea  Aug 8, 2016 • 11:05:12am

re: #443 Jenner7

Oh my god, I just read his “plan” to have Mexico pay for the wall. It’s fucking appalling.

Yeah, he’s going to make Western Union ask for papers.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 8, 2016 • 11:05:31am

re: #442 Big Beautiful Door

On the Nowcast Clinton is up to 95.4% now.

And South Carolina is shaded light blue in a tossup. I’m not exactly hopeful of winning there but it would be fucking hilarious if she actually did take both the East and West coast entirely.

Remember, all of this is happening during peak political donation season, anybody thinking of giving to Trump and the GOP is looking at this and wondering if it would be better to just light their money on fire.

Another factor, Trump still has almost no visible organization on the ground in most of the States he needs to win. He never developed a real GOTV effort. So even if he’s saving up money for later he came into this with a huge deficit and hasn’t been making timely investments in the things that might be able to help him. Hillary has reserved ad time early, while it was cheap. If / when Trump starts spending cash to play catch up his money isn’t going to go nearly as far, he’ll be paying rush and last minute peak rates for everything.

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darthstar  Aug 8, 2016 • 11:07:31am
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wrenchwench  Aug 8, 2016 • 11:07:45am

re: #461 goddamnedfrank

Remember, all of this is happening during peak political donation season, anybody thinking of giving to Trump and the GOP is looking at this and wondering if it would be better to just light their money on fire.

.

That’d be the Libertarians.

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dangerman  Aug 8, 2016 • 11:31:10am

re: #452 Belafon

It’s Trump. He’s getting to the point where he might try that just to say he did something no one expected.

right cause he already tipped his hand on that whole “fifth avenue” thing

now that would be totally expected

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dangerman  Aug 8, 2016 • 11:34:34am

re: #458 Franklin

Exactly. A highschooler who barely stayed awake in Excel 101 could write a formula to determine taxes based on brackets/marginal income. It’s all the other things you mention that are what complicate things.

and thats before you get into the tax policy for public policy discussions

just defining stuff so that tax has some relation to economic transactions and timing in reality is complicated enough

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dangerman  Aug 8, 2016 • 11:39:20am

the two sleeper groups i see that are possibly not accurately reflected in polls are:

1. the disaffected dems that still tell pollsters they wont vote hillary
2. quiet republicans - wives etc that wont tell pollsters anything if anyone’s listening - and the like

in the booth, i think they will vote for clinton

this assumes polling actually exists

and i have no support for any of this


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