Trump Supporter Tweets Forged Hillary Clinton Medical Records, Then Deletes Account

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So tonight, we discover that an anonymous Donald Trump supporter is tweeting obviously forged medical records to push the “Hillary Clinton is sick” right wing meme — a delusion that’s really getting to be a thing in right wing circles this week. These tweets are already being widely shared by right wingers on Twitter, and will probably show up on Gateway Pundit soon.

This is the first tweet posted in this account (which was just created today):

And here’s another one which has now been deleted for some reason (but not before I grabbed a screenshot):

If you check out this anonymous person’s following list, you’ll see the usual assortment of white supremacists, far right loons, and all of Donald Trump’s people.

Needless to say, this kind of forgery is highly illegal. But it does demonstrate that Trump’s followers are getting very, very desperate as his poll numbers continue to plummet.

UPDATE at 8/8/16 9:07:59 pm by Charles Johnson

This is what a real document written by Dr. Lisa Bardack looks like:

UPDATE at 8/9/16 4:08:45 am by Charles Johnson

The account that posted these documents, @HillsMedRecords, has now been deleted. Twitter’s message is, “Sorry, that page doesn’t exist,” which means it was deleted by the owner, not suspended by Twitter.

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481 comments

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:48:40pm

Fuckers.

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Lidane  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:49:22pm

Apparently, RWNJs have never seen their own medical records. Real ones don’t look anything like that.

That looks like a series of Microsoft Word docs.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:50:16pm

re: #2 Lidane

Apparently, RWNJs have never seen their own medical records. Real ones don’t look anything like that.

That looks like a Microsoft Word doc.

It’s confirmation bias crap. They know their records look nothing like that but anything to smear the hated Hillary so it’s fair game.

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Targetpractice  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:50:36pm

The Swiftboaters ride again, I see.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:53:13pm

re: #4 Targetpractice

The Swiftboaters ride again, I see.

They were so missed. Said no one with any decency.

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Frankie Five Angels  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:54:08pm

Hillary must be up by double digits for shit like this to come out.

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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:54:39pm

For the Trump supporters:

Liar

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Kragar  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:54:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:55:08pm

re: #6 Frankie Five Angels

Hillary must be up by double digits for shit like this to come out.

They definitely aren’t confident about winning for sure.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:56:44pm

They’re only going to get more desperate as we get closer to November.

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Lidane  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:59:00pm

re: #6 Frankie Five Angels

Hillary must be up by double digits for shit like this to come out.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2016 • 8:59:20pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:00:17pm

re: #11 Lidane

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And the thing is at this point, people aren’t likely to change their mind on Trump. It’d be different if he was someone who wasn’t a known quantity or not saying all types of stpuid shit. There is so little margin for error for Trump.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:00:40pm

Lotta Twitter accounts looking to get suspended for this stupid shit.

At least, I hope that’s what happens.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:00:46pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

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Totally expecting Donald to be parroting these as legitimate by the end of the week.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:02:16pm

re: #6 Frankie Five Angels

Hillary must be up by double digits for shit like this to come out.

Up 13 points in the Monmouth Poll released Monday.

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BeachDem  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:02:29pm

The best comment from Wonkette:

I’m voting for her dead or alive.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:05:36pm

I emailed the Mount Kisco Medical Group, let them know about this, and asked them for comment. I’ll update if they get back to me tomorrow.

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KingKenrod  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:06:18pm

Here is Dr. Bardack’s actual evaluation:

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:06:29pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

I emailed the Mount Kisco Medical Group, let them know about this, and asked them for comment. I’ll update if they get back to me tomorrow.

Hopefully they do Charles. This is pretty serious shit.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:06:32pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:06:46pm

re: #15 HappyWarrior

Totally expecting Donald to be parroting these as legitimate by the end of the week.

My guess is Tuesday.

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No Depression  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:07:09pm

I take it these jamokes have never heard of HIPAA.

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BlueGrl21  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:07:40pm

I have officially put down a moratorium on political discussions with all of my friends, including the Democrats around me. I’m done. I will talk here and to my husband. That’s it. The rest of them need to focus on cat pics and memes about unicorns.

I have hit my limit.

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Sherlock Hound  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:07:49pm

It’s going to hit Snopes in short order. If “Mount Kisco” is a real practice, or even one with a similar name, their voicemail is now out of service.

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majii  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:08:37pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

“They’re only going to get more desperate as we get closer to November.”

The number of prominent GOPers who are saying they won’t vote for Trump has to be scaring the living sh*t out of them. As usual, they seem to think that everyone believes the same things about Trump that they believe.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:08:57pm

re: #25 Sherlock Hound

It’s going to hit Snopes in short order. If “Mount Kisco” is a real practice, or even one with a similar name, their voicemail is now out of service.

I’ve been on Snopes a lot lately. So much bullshit in my TL the past few weeks.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:09:27pm

re: #26 majii

“They’re only going to get more desperate as we get closer to November.”

The number of prominent GOPers who are saying they won’t vote for Trump has to be scaring the living sh*t out of them. As usual, they seem to think that everyone believes the same things about Trump that they believe.

It should scare them.

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Joe Bacon  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:09:43pm

re: #23 No Depression

I take it these jamokes have never heard of HIPAA.

And that is the second point that I posted in the previous thread. The idiots posting those falsified records ARE IN CLEAR VIOLATION OF HIPPA!

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retired cynic  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:11:32pm

Hillary is 3 months older than I am, and I wish I was in that good a shape! Wow!

Found out today I have fibromyalgia. Looking into whether I am able to handle marijuana for that. My brother would be so tickled at the irony.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:12:16pm

re: #25 Sherlock Hound

It’s going to hit Snopes in short order. If “Mount Kisco” is a real practice, or even one with a similar name, their voicemail is now out of service.

The Mount Kisco Medical Group is a real facility, and Lisa Bardack is Hillary Clinton’s physician. The creep who forged these documents used the names of real places and people.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:13:07pm

We’re in the golden age of misinformation. The paradox is more information is available than ever but that allows for more misinformation spread. And this misinformation has people reading waht they want to hear rather than challenging their biases.

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Kragar  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:13:35pm
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retired cynic  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:14:08pm

re: #33 Kragar

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Oh, Goodie!

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Frankie Five Angels  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:14:16pm

And my mother who married a wingnut a year ago has been “wondering” about Hillary’s health for months. I wonder where she got that from.

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Frankie Five Angels  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:14:50pm

re: #33 Kragar

Fuck that arsonist.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:15:11pm

re: #33 Kragar

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Good, I hope he’s the first of several to go bye bye because of Trump.

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Lidane  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:16:09pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:17:28pm

re: #33 Kragar

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Exactly what we need. Hopefully the Trump meltdown will take a bunch of Republicans out across the country.

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Sherlock Hound  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:17:58pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Oh, you’d think they knew better than to use real names! This will be some shitstorm!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:18:32pm

re: #40 Sherlock Hound

Oh, you’d think they knew better than to use real names! This will be some shitstorm!

Yeah I can’t believe how dumb they are. There’s going to be hell to pay over this as there should be.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:20:44pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

Good, I hope he’s the first of several to go bye bye because of Trump.

I hope Clinton is opening offices in Texas. She is actually competative there, and a surge in Hispanic registration and voting could take out some bad wingnuts.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:21:30pm

re: #42 Big Beautiful Door

I hope Clinton is opening offices in Texas. She is actually competative there, and a surge in Hispanic registration and voting could take out some bad wingnuts.

I hope so. It would be great to make them sweat in Texas. I think it’s a longshot but then again this has been the weirdest GE I’ve ever seen.

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majii  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:22:12pm

re: #33 Kragar

Re: Issa

I’m glad the DNC is paying attention and has decided to spend some money supporting Issa’s Democratic opponent. I want Issa to be sweating bullets, and I want the pompous, lying, time-wasting, not a real fiscal conservative, jerk to lose. He can join Huelskamp in the “I’m No Longer A Member of Congress” Club.

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Targetpractice  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:23:06pm

Yeah, “shitstorm” doesn’t begin to describe what’s about to erupt.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:23:15pm

re: #44 majii

Re: Issa

I’m glad the DNC is paying attention and has decided to spend some money supporting Issa’s Democratic opponent. I want Issa to be sweating bullets, and I want the pompous, lying, time-wasting, not a real fiscal conservative, jerk to lose. He can join Huelskamp in the “I’m No Longer A Member of Congress” Club.

There’s so many that I want to join that club. Unfortunately we won’t beat them all but if we can knock off some key ones like Issa, I’ll be thrilled.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:23:49pm

re: #45 Targetpractice

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Yeah, “shitstorm” doesn’t begin to describe what’s about to erupt.

Good. I hope these fuckers get ruined for this shit.

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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:25:14pm

re: #45 Targetpractice

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Yeah, “shitstorm” doesn’t begin to describe what’s about to erupt.

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Joe Bacon  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:25:47pm

Hmmmmmmm…my Spidey Sense is tingling with the thought that a couple of Putin’s Puppies planted these phony parchments…

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sagehen  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:30:24pm

re: #2 Lidane

Apparently, RWNJs have never seen their own medical records. Real ones don’t look anything like that.

That looks like a series of Microsoft Word docs.

Even the NAME was wrong.

Nobody’s name is ever written (maiden name)(married name), (first name).
It’s always (married name), (first name)(maiden name).

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majii  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:30:32pm

This sh*t reminds me of the Thad Cochran sh*t. Some RW nutters will pull any stunt and expect to get away with it. They’re truly surprised when they discover that the law applies to them, too.

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retired cynic  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:33:20pm

re: #51 majii

O’Keefe? Our friend Chuckie?

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Targetpractice  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:33:37pm

This shit’s sadder than the Killian Memos.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:33:48pm

re: #52 retired cynic

O’Keefe? Our friend Chuckie?

Chucky was behind the harassment of Cochran’s wife I believe. If you’re asking about this, I don’t know who it is yet.

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retired cynic  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:34:23pm

re: #54 HappyWarrior

Chucky was behind the harassment of Cochran’s wife I believe. If you’re asking about this, I don’t know who it is yet.

Yeah, I’m just guessing because it sounds as inept as their stuff.

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Interesting Times  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:35:09pm

re: #55 retired cynic

Yeah, I’m just guessing because it sounds as inept as their stuff.

Indeed. Putin trolls would’ve done a much better job (and released the records via Wikileaks)

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Lidane  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:35:49pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:37:56pm

re: #56 Interesting Times

Indeed. Putin trolls would’ve done a much better job (and released the records via Wikileaks)

Yeah this is amateur stuff. That doesn’t mean people won’t fall for it, they will but it’s not Putin and WL. It’s just some idiotic right wing ass who thought this would work.

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majii  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:38:45pm

re: #52 retired cynic

Yep, and we can add the loser Dinesh D’Souza to the list. He’s a d*mn grifting *ss felon who has too much mouth for his own good.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:39:22pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

I emailed the Mount Kisco Medical Group, let them know about this, and asked them for comment. I’ll update if they get back to me tomorrow.

That’s what I was wondering. Let them know they are being accused of violating HIPAA regulations and let them take care of it.

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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:39:29pm

re: #53 Targetpractice

This shit’s sadder than the Killian Memos.

Loves me some inside baseball!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:39:48pm

re: #59 majii

Yep, and we can add the loser Dinesh D’Souza to the list. He’s a d*mn grifting *ss felon who has too much mouth for his own good.

He’s probably already starting the preliminary for his “documentary” on whatever Democrat replaces Clinton as the Dem standard bearer. He’s really fucking pathetic. It’s a whole industry of bullshit for these guys.

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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:40:25pm

Fantastic ad for the “Jet Age” 1956 Plymouth, complete with F-86D Sabrejets, built in phonograph (for real, check it out), and push-button transmission:
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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:40:29pm

Funnily enough, one of my sample memos when I got my paralegal certificate was regarding a hypothetical medical records case.

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Great White Snark  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:43:24pm

The more they insist Hilary is ill, the more I wonder. I think how a thief is afraid to have anything stolen. After all he knows how it goes. So what is wrong with The Donald? After all an Emperor is never sick until he is… dead.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:44:28pm

re: #65 Great White Snark

The more they insist Hilary is ill, the more I wonder. I think how a thief is afraid to have anything stolen. After all he knows how it goes. So what is wrong with The Donald? After all an Emperor is never sick until he is… dead.

Donald’s actions make me seriously wonder about what’s going on there.

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sagehen  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:47:09pm

re: #57 Lidane

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One of the bedside manner tricks taught in first year med school is, since so many patients ask “am I going to die”, tell them all “someday I’m sure, but not from this.”

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Targetpractice  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:50:38pm

Given the fact that he was actually talking about the front page of Drudge Report today, I suspect if anybody in the press is likely to bite onto this, it will be Hannity.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:53:14pm

re: #68 Targetpractice

Given the fact that he was actually talking about the front page of Drudge Report today, I suspect if anybody in the press is likely to bite onto this, it will be Hannity.

Yeah I expect nothing less out of Hannity after seeing Charles post that he plans to “investigate” Mr. Khan.

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MsJ  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:53:30pm

re: #68 Targetpractice

Given the fact that he was actually talking about the front page of Drudge Report today, I suspect if anybody in the press is likely to bite onto this, it will be Hannity.

Yeah, I can’t say who’s stupider, Blitzer or Hannity. Wolf is just blisteringly stupid. Hannity is dumb as a fern plus he has an agenda. Decisions, decisions.

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Great White Snark  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:54:32pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

Donald’s actions make me seriously wonder about what’s going on there.

Agreed. This is far past the good men disagree or even party ideologists taking it out to the edge kind of choice. Donald trump is literally off the map of sense and sensibility.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:56:46pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

Donald’s actions make me seriously wonder about what’s going on there.

Many people believe that Trump is suffering from dementia due to his syphilis infection. It would be irresponsible not to ask the question.

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Great White Snark  Aug 8, 2016 • 9:58:16pm

re: #63 Shiplord Kirel

Fantastic ad for the “Jet Age” 1956 Plymouth, complete with F-86D Sabrejets, built in phonograph (for real, check it out), and push-button transmission:
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Let’s admit it. Love to see a new ZO6 corvette and a Raptor. How many times have car companies done something similar?

SAAB - ‘Nothing On Earth Comes Close’

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Teukka  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:00:00pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

Donald’s actions make me seriously wonder about what’s going on there.

You thinking biological psychosis or that he had picostrokes?
semi///

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:01:04pm

re: #74 Teukka

You thinking biological psychosis or that he had picostrokes?
semi///

I honestly don’t know. There’s just something off about him even for a right wing shithead.

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Teukka  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:02:03pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

I honestly don’t know. There’s just something off about him even for a right wing shithead.

Yep. He’s not right in the head.

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Great White Snark  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:03:25pm

Jobs not yet done. But we do have this for now.
Who will win the presidency?

Chance of winning
Hillary Clinton
87.5%
Donald Trump
12.4%

Over and out.

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KGxvi  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:03:38pm

I am watching the most incredible movie on Netflix… It’s called Look Who’s Back. It’s a German movie where Hitler wakes up in 2014 but nobody believes he’s really Hitler instead they think he’s a comedian or actor traveling around Germany.

It is equally brilliant and disturbing.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:11:27pm

re: #78 KGxvi

I am watching the most incredible movie on Netflix… It’s called Look Who’s Back. It’s a German movie where Hitler wakes up in 2014 but nobody believes he’s really Hitler instead they think he’s a comedian or actor traveling around Germany.

It is equally brilliant and disturbing.

I saw that with my brother who speaks some German. It was great. Obviously a fantastical premise but an interesting one. It’s based off a book apparently.

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Testy Toad T  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:16:54pm

re: #72 Big Beautiful Door

Many people believe that Trump is suffering from dementia due to his syphilis infection. It would be irresponsible not to ask the question.

I don’t want to talk about snark; I’m not going to talk about snark. But I love me some snark. I have all the best snark, people tell me, Toady, your snark, it’s the best. The best, believe me! It’s the best. It’s really the best snark, Crooked Hillary couldn’t even dream of this sort of snark.

But in all seriousness, if we had a presidential candidate that we actually factually knew was suffering from mental deficits, I do not know how he/she would be distinguishable from The Donald.

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ObserverArt  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:21:09pm

Dear Donny Trump,

American will win again. We will win again Big League!

When you lose this November.

Thank you…Goodbye.

Us.

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VegasGolfer  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:21:47pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

I saw that with my brother who speaks some German. It was great. Obviously a fantastical premise but an interesting one. It’s based off a book apparently.

I put a comment on that movie a couple months ago. Kinda speaks to what is going on now.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:26:15pm

re: #82 VegasGolfer

I put a comment on that movie a couple months ago. Kinda speaks to what is going on now.

Yeah I thought it was very relevant to what is going on too.

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freetoken  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:51:59pm
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Anymouse  Aug 8, 2016 • 10:58:08pm

I wonder, if the medical organisation that was pulled into this might have grounds for an actual criminal case against the person who foisted off fake medical documents on Twitter.

Moreover, since the Internet is involved in this, if the FBI’s computer crimes unit would be the organisation to do that (since the crime is likely interstate).

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freetoken  Aug 8, 2016 • 11:11:01pm

Scary.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 8, 2016 • 11:24:36pm

re: #78 KGxvi

I am watching the most incredible movie on Netflix… It’s called Look Who’s Back. It’s a German movie where Hitler wakes up in 2014 but nobody believes he’s really Hitler instead they think he’s a comedian or actor traveling around Germany.

It is equally brilliant and disturbing.

Er Ist Wieder Da (Look Who’s Back) is indeed a brilliant film; I went and saw it when it came to our local arthouse cinema with a friend of mine - she speaks German fluently - and both of us were laughing all the way through it, even though it was basically inappropriate laughter. But it was a damn good film, and one I recommend.

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freetoken  Aug 8, 2016 • 11:33:37pm

re: #88 Dr Lizardo

It appears there are … certain types … who hatez the movie:

imdb.com

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Anymouse  Aug 8, 2016 • 11:46:57pm

EPR-Radar wrote on the last thread (which I posted to after it went dead):

The lying RWNJs that came up with this are too stupid to be convincing liars. The medical workup for someone presenting with seizures isn’t going to be this nonsense (which amounts to take 2 aspirin and call me in the morning).

Where’s the EEG, EKG, imaging etc.?

To which I responded:

Yup. I have epilepsy (it ended my Navy career at seventeen years). [Edit: Funny, epilepsy does not prohibit me from serving on my city council.] The examination wasn’t just written up as a two-page summary: There were months of tests and exams before the Navy settled on that diagnosis, and in the years since, the VA has added more information to specify exactly what the problem is.

I would think the physician in question here has a good case to make a crime was committed against her. (I am not sure if HIPPA would apply because the “diagnosis” is fake, but the crime of forgery might apply.)

The problem would be to figure out the real person behind the Twitter handle that posted the fake medical records.

I seriously doubt that any Clinton supporter would fall for this, nor many independent voters. I am not even sure what it would accomplish, since it would sway few or no voters (but has the potential to get the poster in a lot of trouble, sort of like in-person voter fraud would).

What this does do is allow me when asked about this by a Trump supporter in my county to point out that I have seizures and they in no way affect my ability to do my job on my village board; why is this person on Twitter so concerned about seizures, even if Clinton did have them? Does he hate the disabled?

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 9, 2016 • 12:14:34am

Unfortunately not a Chicago Tribune headline

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freetoken  Aug 9, 2016 • 12:25:03am

Wacky, self-destructing politicians elected all over the place:

U.S. govt summons Philippines envoy after Duterte hurls insults at ambassador

[…]

Last week, Duterte took a swipe Goldberg, calling the diplomat “gay” during a speech before soldiers in Camp Lapu Lapu in Cebu City, ABS-CBN news reported on Friday night.

“Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana and I talked to U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry. He was okay. I had a rift with his ambassador (Philip Goldberg), his gay ambassador. He meddled during the elections, giving statements. You’re not supposed to do that. That son of a bitch really annoyed me,” Duterte said.

[…]

Prior to his landslide election victory in May, Duterte told the United States and Australia that they could sever ties with the nation if he won the election. His comments come after ambassadors from both countries voiced their dismay over his “joke” about a rape case.

[…]

Duterte won his election earlier this year easily. So evidently he’s popular. It’s easy for crowds to be swayed by hyper-nationalism.

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freetoken  Aug 9, 2016 • 12:42:10am
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Nyet  Aug 9, 2016 • 1:38:15am

The Putin-loving vanden Heuvel who runs the execrable Nation rag is having a sad that her idol has been given a lot of criticism lately.

washingtonpost.com

She even manages to insert one of her favorite lies:

Blind adherence to the portrayal of Russia as sole aggressor in Ukraine

It will surely be news to anyone paying attention that there were other aggressors in Ukraine.

She must have attended Dr.Stein’s political science classes at Trump U.

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BlackPearl  Aug 9, 2016 • 1:38:15am

Why are commenters thinking anyone will get in trouble for these “medical records”? If they ever are traced back to someone, that person will just claim “satire”.

Is there something I’m missing?

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2016 • 1:40:43am

‘Morning, all. It’s 0330, time of day to switch over from box wine to coffee.

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Nyet  Aug 9, 2016 • 1:43:42am

re: #95 BlackPearl

I very much doubt anything will happen to the creator, but I suppose there might be something about forging medical papers as well as the issue of defamation. Of course just because such avenues might exist doesn’t mean that anyone will bother, so the scumbag is prolly safe.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 9, 2016 • 2:11:42am
Brutality is a bonding experience for many Trump supporters, like hazing at fraternities. His rallies, where shouting, shoving and fist fights have become common, are safe spaces for his fans to share prejudices, and attack those who don’t share them, without fear of being shamed.

Trump’s caricatured performance of masculinity soothes fearful Americans who feel they are being culturally left behind. With tough-guy swagger, he’s encouraged violence and promised to pay supporters’ legal fees if there’s any trouble. “If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato,” he said one time, “knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously.”

Trump supporters talk of preserving their way of life, but really mean they are yearning for an era before Black Lives Matter protesters asserted their right to not be killed by police, immigration transformed the country into one that will soon be majority-minority, transgender teens can use the bathroom of their choice and a black man has held the presidency.

But nothing draws more fury than the mention of Hillary Clinton. Crowds yell “Trump That Bitch” and scream vulgarities about her in fevered unison. At a recent rally in Virginia, a very young boy yelled “take that bitch down.” His smiling mother told reporters “I think he has a right to speak what he wants to.”

“Bitch” is a favorite on Trump hats and buttons: “Hang the Bitch” and “Life’s a Bitch: Don’t Vote for One.” Degrading sexuality is also common, with “tramp” and “whore” scribbled on signs and t-shirts.

nytimes.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 2:30:49am

re: #97 Nyet

I very much doubt anything will happen to the creator, but I suppose there might be something about forging medical papers as well as the issue of defamation. Of course just because such avenues might exist doesn’t mean that anyone will bother, so the scumbag is prolly safe.

Creator can look forward to a job as commentator on Fox News…

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Weet  Aug 9, 2016 • 3:02:01am

The ‘@HillMedRecords’ does not exist on twitter anymore, and there are notes like this:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 3:03:57am

But nothing draws more fury than the mention of Hillary Clinton. Crowds yell “Trump That Bitch” and scream vulgarities about her in fevered unison. At a recent rally in Virginia, a very young boy yelled “take that bitch down.” His smiling mother told reporters “I think he has a right to speak what he wants to.

He does have that right. But that does not make him any less of a vulgar sexist.

That aspect of it seems to be lost on a lot of DT supporters.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 9, 2016 • 3:06:58am

re: #101 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But nothing draws more fury than the mention of Hillary Clinton. Crowds yell “Trump That Bitch” and scream vulgarities about her in fevered unison. At a recent rally in Virginia, a very young boy yelled “take that bitch down.” His smiling mother told reporters “I think he has a right to speak what he wants to.

He does have that right. But that does not make him any less of a vulgar sexist.

That aspect of it seems to be lost on a lot of DT supporters.

And the parents tried to say that he learned that type of language at school. Horseshit, I doubt there are that many kids who are using the word “bitch” to describe a Presidential candidate.

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A Mom Anon  Aug 9, 2016 • 3:14:48am

re: #100 Weet

HillaryMedicalRecords and HillarysHealth is still there though. The person who started this claims they used to work for the doctor also and they have more records. Doubtful, considering this is bullshit in the first place. These assholes think they’re invincible, I really hope they get caught and exposed.

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Weet  Aug 9, 2016 • 3:20:47am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 3:22:44am

re: #102 Timothy Watson

And the parents tried to say that he learned that type of language at school. Horseshit, I doubt there are that many kids who are using the word “bitch” to describe a Presidential candidate.

No, they just use it as a general term to describe females…

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 9, 2016 • 3:31:54am

re: #104 Weet

Heh: A potential Trump presidency is actually a greater risk - by twice as much - as Brexit, and just slightly ahead of an overall Eurozone breakup and ahead of the risk of ongoing jihadist terrorism destabilizing the global economy. And this from The Economist, no less.

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A Mom Anon  Aug 9, 2016 • 3:44:58am

re: #105 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Wait til that kid gets older and refers to HER using that term. And probably a few other choice words….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 3:50:34am

re: #107 A Mom Anon

Wait til that kid gets older and refers to HER using that term. And probably a few other choice words….

I am sure he already does…the little bastard.

/

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 3:51:38am

re: #106 Dr Lizardo

Heh: A potential Trump presidency is actually a greater risk - by twice as much - as Brexit, and just slightly ahead of an overall Eurozone breakup and ahead of the risk of ongoing jihadist terrorism destabilizing the global economy. And this from The Economist, no less.

There are people who are convinced that the US (and world) economies are bound to collapse anyways, a Trump Presidency is a good thing because it speeds up the inevitable and helps put us on the road to recovery.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 9, 2016 • 3:54:36am

re: #109 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There are people who are convinced that the US (and world) economies are bound to collapse anyways, a Trump Presidency is a good thing because it speeds up the inevitable and helps put us on the road to recovery.

Also dovetails with “end of times” theology—a Trump presidency is more likely to produce an apocalyptic event that will see the return of Jesus.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 9, 2016 • 4:05:24am

re: #106 Dr Lizardo

Heh: A potential Trump presidency is actually a greater risk - by twice as much - as Brexit, and just slightly ahead of an overall Eurozone breakup and ahead of the risk of ongoing jihadist terrorism destabilizing the global economy. And this from The Economist, no less.

“The rising threat of jihadi terrorism destabilizes the world economy.”

This is so freakin’ psychotic. The US alone would need a 9/11-style attack every month, year in and year out, without letup, without it being politically possible to even talk about wanting a letup, to equal the number of people killed by an insane reading of the 2nd Amendment—but somehow that doesn’t collapse the economy. A few pinpricks by skeery Mooslins, though—that’s going to destroy Western Civilization. Get a fucking grip, people!

And the perverted fear of violence chokes a smile on every face
And common sense is ringing out the bells.
This ain’t no technological breakdown
Oh no, this is the road to hell.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 4:09:42am

re: #111 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

“The rising threat of jihadi terrorism destabilizes the world economy.”

This is so freakin’ psychotic. The US alone would need a 9/11-style attack every month, year in and year out, without letup, without it being politically possible to even talk about wanting a letup, to equal the number of people killed by an insane reading of the 2nd Amendment—but somehow that doesn’t collapse the economy. A few pinpricks by skeery Mooslins, though—that’s going to destroy Western Civilization. Get a fucking grip, people!

The fear and over-reaction could be deadly, leading to a disruption of trade. Remember how the US check clearing system nearly collapsed over the post 9/11 flight ban?

And the Twin Towers had housed one of America’s biggest Internet servers. They had only recently moved out. Had they been wrecked, the US Internet would have been lamed.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 9, 2016 • 4:20:11am

re: #112 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The fear and over-reaction could be deadly, leading to a disruption of trade. Remember how the US check clearing system nearly collapsed over the post 9/11 flight ban?

And the Twin Towers had housed one of America’s biggest Internet servers. They had only recently moved out. Had they been wrecked, the US Internet would have been lamed.

That I don’t recall, but I admit, I was already here in the Czech Republic on 9/11 and I didn’t hear about that, not to mention that in 2001, Czech Republic was very much a cash economy (and still is, though not as heavily as it was 15 years ago). I actually didn’t know about the servers being in the WTC and had been moved. Yeah, they certainly would’ve been wrecked when the Towers came down and disruption to the US Internet would’ve likely been substantial.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 9, 2016 • 4:20:28am

re: #112 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The fear and over-reaction could be deadly, leading to a disruption of trade. Remember how the US check clearing system nearly collapsed over the post 9/11 flight ban?

And the Twin Towers had housed one of America’s biggest Internet servers. They had only recently moved out. Had they been wrecked, the US Internet would have been lamed.

Delayed High-Def broadcasting for a couple of years, too. Sure it caused a disproportionate amount of disruption, but targets like that are few and far between.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 4:21:50am

re: #113 Dr Lizardo

That I don’t recall, but I admit, I was already here in the Czech Republic on 9/11 and I didn’t hear about that, not to mention that in 2001, Czech Republic was very much a cash economy (and still is, though not as heavily as it was 15 years ago). I actually didn’t know about the servers being in the WTC and had been moved. Yeah, they certainly would’ve been wrecked when the Towers came down and disruption to the US Internet would’ve likely been substantial.

Americans still write literally tons of checks. They are all physically loaded onto planes and flown to a central clearinghouse in Kansas. With flights grounded for several days, the entire clearing system nearly collapsed.

But the “damage” they are talking about from terrorism is more psychological than physical.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 9, 2016 • 4:23:39am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 9, 2016 • 4:24:37am

re: #115 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Americans still write literally tons of checks. They are all physically loaded onto planes and flown to a central clearinghouse in Kansas. With flights grounded for several days, the entire clearing system nearly collapsed.

Wow. Didn’t know that.

Paper checks are extraordinarily uncommon here; I’ve only seen one in all my 15 years here. Most people pay cash, debit card, or postal wire transfer. COD is also still an option here - that’s how I paid for my glasses last time I ordered them online.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 4:25:00am

re: #116 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Moody’s Analytics, effects of economic plans compared to current law in 2020: Clinton +3.3-M jobs, Trump -7.6-M jobs

Just eliminate minimum wage and worker protection laws and we can have full employment!!!

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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 9, 2016 • 4:29:29am

re: #98 Timothy Watson

nytimes.com

Moral degenerates, the lot of them.
They must be held to account. For my part, I promise a tsunami of payback when Texas turns blue.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 4:33:44am

re: #119 Shiplord Kirel

Moral degenerates, the lot of them.
They must be held to account. For my part, I promise a tsunami of payback when Texas turns blue.

all a matter of time…

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 9, 2016 • 4:38:17am

re: #119 Shiplord Kirel

Moral degenerates, the lot of them.
They must be held to account. For my part, I promise a tsunami of payback when Texas turns blue.

When Texas turns blue - and it will eventually, probably over the course of the next two or three presidential election cycles - the GOP will be finished as a national party without a massive shift in their current ideology.

If the GOP suffers massive losses this election cycle, I wonder if they’ll even bother to do an ‘autopsy’ like they did in 2012. I mean hell, they ignored the obvious conclusions on that one, so why even waste anyone’s time doing it again?

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Bubblehead II  Aug 9, 2016 • 4:38:46am

Only at faux news and of course it’s not going to go anywhere.

Parents of 2 Benghazi victims sue Hillary Clinton for wrongful death, defamation

The case was filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia by Larry Klayman of Freedom Watch USA on behalf of Patricia Smith, the mother of Sean Smith, and Charles Woods, the father of Tyrone Woods, for allegedly wrongfully causing the death of their sons as well as for defamation and intentional and negligent infliction of emotional distress.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 9, 2016 • 4:39:22am

re: #101 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But nothing draws more fury than the mention of Hillary Clinton. Crowds yell “Trump That Bitch” and scream vulgarities about her in fevered unison. At a recent rally in Virginia, a very young boy yelled “take that bitch down.” His smiling mother told reporters “I think he has a right to speak what he wants to.

He does have that right. But that does not make him any less of a vulgar sexist.

That aspect of it seems to be lost on a lot of DT supporters.

Bet that “right to speak what you want to” would go right out the window if you started your rebuttal to her with the words “Listen here you slut **** bitch …”.

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2016 • 4:39:50am

re: #107 A Mom Anon

Wait til that kid gets older and refers to HER using that term. And probably a few other choice words….

Such a lovely family. American Exceptionalism.

Can you image what is said when they are not in public?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 4:45:13am

re: #122 Bubblehead II

Only at faux news and of course it’s not going to go anywhere.

Parents of 2 Benghazi victims sue Hillary Clinton for wrongful death, defamation

The case was filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia by Larry Klayman of Freedom Watch USA on behalf of Patricia Smith, the mother of Sean Smith, and Charles Woods, the father of Tyrone Woods, for allegedly wrongfully causing the death of their sons as well as for defamation and intentional and negligent infliction of emotional distress.

It doesn’t have to “go anywhere”, it just has to exist to keep Benghazi!!!!11ty (and the e-mails) in the news cycle, until Hillary trips and stumbles again and they start circulating photos of her having an attack of Parkinson’s…

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2016 • 4:45:20am

re: #122 Bubblehead II

Only at faux news and of course it’s not going to go anywhere.

Parents of 2 Benghazi victims sue Hillary Clinton for wrongful death, defamation

The case was filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia by Larry Klayman of Freedom Watch USA on behalf of Patricia Smith, the mother of Sean Smith, and Charles Woods, the father of Tyrone Woods, for allegedly wrongfully causing the death of their sons as well as for defamation and intentional and negligent infliction of emotional distress.

I heard Savannah Guthrie mention it as a top story with a small disclaimer the Clinton campaign said there were never any charges. Of course no mention the suit was brought by sham artist Larry Klayman.

And that is just how Klayman wants it. The hint.

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Joe Bacon  Aug 9, 2016 • 4:54:33am

re: #105 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

No, they just use it as a general term to describe females…

And I’m sure that kid’s parents object to that “unchristian” rap music which uses that same word…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 4:55:37am

re: #127 Joe Bacon

And I’m sure that kid’s parents object to that “unchristian” rap music which uses that same word…

ghetto music. and how come they get to use that n-word and we can’t? political correctness run amok and ruining our freedoms!!!

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Joe Bacon  Aug 9, 2016 • 4:55:38am

re: #107 A Mom Anon

Wait til that kid gets older and refers to HER using that term. And probably a few other choice words….

If the kid is now using the “B” word, coming up next will be the “L” word…

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Bubblehead II  Aug 9, 2016 • 4:55:48am

re: #125 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

re: #126 ObserverArt

Oh I agree the whole purpose of this lawsuit is to harass Hilary and given who is bringing it is why (imo) it wont take off in the MSM. On the other hand it will hit the rwnj sites like wildfire and when it’s dismissed you’ll hear the screams of outrage and claims of some sort of “fix” being in.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 4:57:09am

re: #130 Bubblehead II

Oh I agree the whole purpose of this lawsuit is to harass Hilary and given who is bringing it is why (imo) it wont take off in the MSM. On the other hand it will hit the rwnj sites like wildfire and when it’s dismissed you’ll hear the screams of outrage and claims of some sort of “fix” being in.

activist judges doing hillary’s bidding

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KerFuFFler  Aug 9, 2016 • 4:58:35am

Tim Kaine is way better than Trump or Pence, so Hillary’s health is a non-issue for me. I know they are just trying to smear her, but seriously, even if Hillary’s health were on the rocks I would still vote for her.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 9, 2016 • 4:58:35am

I am starting to have issues with T-Mac:

A whistleblower’s report that alleged sloppy work in the Office of the State Inspector General has been reviewed and set aside by Gov. Terry McAuliffe’s administration, which has “full confidence” in Inspector General June Jennings,” a spokesman said Monday.

Paul Reagan, McAuliffe’s chief of staff, and administration attorney Carlos Hopkins reviewed the allegations from an OSIG staffer and two office contractors. They alleged last month that Jennings failed to fully investigate the death of Jamycheal Mitchell, who died at the Hampton Roads Regional Jail in 2015.

The review concluded without the governor’s office calling complaint filers, at least one of whom said she learned the result from a reporter.

The decision was announced Monday after the Daily Press raised fresh questions about OSIG’s ties to Eastern State Hospital, the facility that apparently misplaced Mitchell’s transfer order, leaving him at the jail instead of being brought in for mental health care. Jennings’ husband, William D. Jennings, is the hospital’s director of quality management.

dailypress.com

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Bubblehead II  Aug 9, 2016 • 5:01:07am

re: #131 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

activist judges doing hillary’s bidding

Or she somehow got the “goods on him/her and is blackmailing him/her.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 9, 2016 • 5:06:28am

Alrighty, then. Off to work. Later, lizards.

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Scout  Aug 9, 2016 • 5:13:05am

As if any further evidence was needed for how low the right wing has fallen, what does it say that the Koch brothers, by withholding donations to Trump, have become the moral standard bearers for the Republican Party?

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steve_davis  Aug 9, 2016 • 5:17:06am

re: #53 Targetpractice

This shit’s sadder than the Killian Memos.

Was that the memo purportedly showing that Killian wasn’t actually red?

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 9, 2016 • 5:20:25am

re: #137 steve_davis

Was that the memo purportedly showing that Killian wasn’t actually red?

PInk-ish at best.

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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 9, 2016 • 5:25:08am

To nobody’s surprise, Freepers have generally declared the docs legit.

I posted this in a message a few hours ago. They sure look legit to me.

A few dissenters, apparently blessed with long term memory, urge caution however:

I dunno, I’d “Rather” make sure these things are legit before we go crazy over them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 5:25:37am

re: #136 Scout

As if any further evidence was needed for how low the right wing has fallen, what does it say that the Koch brothers, by withholding donations to Trump, have become the moral standard bearers for the Republican Party?

They stand to lose too much money and influence if Trump is elected.

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CleverToad  Aug 9, 2016 • 5:29:03am

re: #136 Scout

As if any further evidence was needed for how low the right wing has fallen, what does it say that the Koch brothers, by withholding donations to Trump, have become the moral standard bearers for the Republican Party?

It says that the Koch brothers, having no moral standards but still in possession of a degree of reality, recognize that Trump is too much of an idiot to be useful to them. He is unlikely to win and incapable of sticking to their JBS script, therefore they are funneling their clout and cash to their ongoing efforts to take over state legislatures and buy Congress critters.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 9, 2016 • 5:35:49am

re: #141 CleverToad

It says that the Koch brothers, having no moral standards but still in possession of a degree of reality, recognize that Trump is too much of an idiot to be useful to them. He is unlikely to win and incapable of sticking to their JBS script, therefore they are funneling their clout and cash to their ongoing efforts to take over state legislatures and buy Congress critters.

That is where the bang for the buck has always been anyway.

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A Mom Anon  Aug 9, 2016 • 5:47:25am

re: #142 Eventual Carrion

Yep. This is why it’s critical to get out the vote for those down ticket races and the mid terms. A LOT of local level stuff gets decided in those “off years” , from what school textbooks are used to how land is developed, infrastructure is updated (or not) and who is going to decide what laws get before legislatures. Lets also not forget ALEC and their constant chipping away at not only the federal level, but in state and local governments too. ALEC’s work is known at the federal level, but not many people realize they also craft lots of “business friendly” laws on everything from environmental safety to gun laws.

I really wish we had as much focus directed at voter education as we do on stupid shit like these ridiculous fake medical records. Sigh.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 5:53:06am

re: #143 A Mom Anon

I really wish we had as much focus directed at voter education as we do on stupid shit like these ridiculous fake medical records. Sigh.

It’s all about keeping the discussion distracted from real and vital issues.

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A Mom Anon  Aug 9, 2016 • 5:56:50am

re: #144 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I know. I swear, if I ever got super wealthy (which would take an act of supernatural intervention) I would buy out media outlets and hire actual investigative journalists. The internet has ushered in so much crap masquerading as fact that it’s hard to sort out for a lot of people and they don’t bother or don’t have the time so they go with confirmation bias. It’s depressing.

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2016 • 5:57:53am

re: #141 CleverToad

It says that the Koch brothers, having no moral standards but still in possession of a degree of reality, recognize that Trump is too much of an idiot to be useful to them. He is unlikely to win and incapable of sticking to their JBS script, therefore they are funneling their clout and cash to their ongoing efforts to take over state legislatures and buy Congress critters.

Don’t forget they also are shooting even lower than state legislators. We had a one issue vote last Tuesday in Columbus as it was generally considered Koch backed legislation to try to change Columbus City Council’s makeup to get more seats dedicated to specific areas of the city rather than all at-larger seats.

They were trying to get more Republicans involved as Columbus City Government has been pretty dominated by Democrats for a good time now.

It got killed as 72% of the very small turnout voted against it. I guess their trying to sneak it in on a hot August day when people very seldom have votes didn’t work.

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:00:16am

So, the public is paying attention at some level. It would have been easy for them to say “It’s the Democrat’s problem because Obama was president.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:03:09am

re: #145 A Mom Anon

I know. I swear, if I ever got super wealthy (which would take an act of supernatural intervention) I would buy out media outlets and hire actual investigative journalists. The internet has ushered in so much crap masquerading as fact that it’s hard to sort out for a lot of people and they don’t bother or don’t have the time so they go with confirmation bias. It’s depressing.

Anything “Viral on YouTube” or “Trending on Twitter” is considered a viable news topic. And all you need is an unpaid intern to monitor the Internet for you and you are spared all that expensive, time-consuming investigative reporting that eats into overhead…

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William Lewis  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:07:23am

re: #112 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Something like 60~70% of the remaining VAX VMS systems still in service in 2001 were in the towers. Prices for old Vaxen still haven’t recovered (I made the mistake of selling mine and can’t afford to get one now).

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sagehen  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:08:58am

re: #147 Belafon

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So, the public is paying attention at some level. It would have been easy for them to say “It’s the Democrat’s problem because Obama was president.”

At the level of “why can’t Merrick Garland have hearings and a vote?” That broke through.

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Franklin  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:09:28am

re: #145 A Mom Anon

I know. I swear, if I ever got super wealthy (which would take an act of supernatural intervention) I would buy out media outlets and hire actual investigative journalists. The internet has ushered in so much crap masquerading as fact that it’s hard to sort out for a lot of people and they don’t bother or don’t have the time so they go with confirmation bias. It’s depressing.

Check out this clip from This Week Tonight if you haven’t already seen it. The whole show was greatgood, but the end was great:

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Journalism (HBO)

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jeffreyw  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:20:54am

Flickr

Good morning!

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SteelPH  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:24:09am

re: #152 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Mmm… pancakes.
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:24:36am

Something you don’t see every day…
Was being towed somewhere. Didn’t break loose of it’s moorings.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:25:40am
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Great White Snark  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:26:30am

re: #154 FormerDirtDart

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Scout  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:27:20am

re: #155 FormerDirtDart

I love the little feller looking up at the camera.

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A Mom Anon  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:27:30am

re: #151 Franklin

We watched it last night. It’s so sad to me. I love newspapers, even when I was a kid. Now it’s all about clickbait. It sucks, but I don’t know what can be done about it anymore.

(edited to add…) When I was about 5 I actually modeled for a newspaper ad for Lazarus department stores. My mom still has it somewhere I think. In the Columbus Dispatch, a full page ad for patent leather Mary Jane shoes. It was a big deal in our family for awhile. My one and only foray into the world of modeling.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:28:32am

re: #139 Shiplord Kirel

I posted this in a message a few hours ago. They sure look legit to me.

Well, there ya go. Confirmed. FACT.

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Scout  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:28:48am

re: #158 A Mom Anon

… I love newspapers, even when I was a kid. …

Me too.

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Great White Snark  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:29:33am

My bodyguard

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:30:15am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Is it surprising that after the right wing extremists began claiming that Hillary had medical issues based on precisely no evidence, they’d go and gin up some to bolster their claims?

No, I’m not.

It’s entirely their MO, and their transparent attempts to affect outcomes of elections is horrifying. Could you imagine some outfit running this right before the election itself, without time for fact checking to show just how much of a fraud it is? In a close election, it might be enough to sway things.

But for all the talk about how Hillary’s supposedly unwell, it’s Trump whose health and mental health really raises questions. From what I recall, his doctor’s report was no where near as detailed as the legitimate Clinton report from Dr. Bardack. An appalling lack of specificity on a number of issues, and then there’s the whole mental health aspect that goes undocumented (mostly because we don’t know if he’s ever had mental health assessments).

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Sir John Barron  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:30:55am

re: #158 A Mom Anon

We watched it last night. It’s so sad to me. I love newspapers, even when I was a kid. Now it’s all about clickbait. It sucks, but I don’t know what can be done about it anymore.

I actually started getting the newspaper again. Getting the Baltimore Sun daily as I would like to know more about what’s going on in my own state. And I’m getting the NYT again, but just Fri-Sun. There’s still some good newspaper work being done and I feel like they could use my support.

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cat-tikvah  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:32:07am

re: #46 HappyWarrior

I’m rooting for Pat Toomey of PA to be in that club.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:33:10am
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:34:43am

re: #157 Scout

I love the little feller looking up at the camera.

“Don’t you try and start something with me now….”

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Franklin  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:38:22am

Yep, journalism is dead.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:40:56am

re: #147 Belafon

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So, the public is paying attention at some level. It would have been easy for them to say “It’s the Democrat’s problem because Obama was president.”

National poll: Voters want to see Democrats return to power in both chambers politi.co | Getty

Voters wanted that all along. They vote, what…55/45 for Democrats in the House? Unfortunately with GOP gerrymandering that translates to 45/55 in seats.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:42:09am

re: #167 Franklin

Yep, journalism is dead.

I was unaware of how comfortable my cargo shorts are. I was just wearing them in order to fit in…

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Sir John Barron  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:43:13am

re: #101 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But nothing draws more fury than the mention of Hillary Clinton. Crowds yell “Trump That Bitch” and scream vulgarities about her in fevered unison. At a recent rally in Virginia, a very young boy yelled “take that bitch down.” His smiling mother told reporters “I think he has a right to speak what he wants to.

He does have that right. But that does not make him any less of a vulgar sexist.

That aspect of it seems to be lost on a lot of DT supporters.

I’m old enough to remember when the GOP claimed to be the party of family values and restoring goodness and decency to America.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:46:13am

Guess this is going to be today’s right wing talking point:

Update:
The campaign responds:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:50:36am

re: #171 lawhawk

Guess this is going to be today’s right wing talking point:

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this and nothing else

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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:51:50am

I’m simply going to repeat what I said in the thread before last:

I continue to be amazed how easily conservatives can start a scandal out of wholecloth just by a little bit of repetition. I mean, we know how easily they can perpetuate something by just pure ad nauseam repetition, but the ability to start one out of sheer bullshit with such limited effort is goddamn amazing. Not to mention a sheer indictment of the laziness of the media.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:52:05am

re: #171 lawhawk

so what was the campaign’s response? Can’t read the Twitter.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:52:47am

re: #169 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I was unaware of how comfortable my cargo shorts are. I was just wearing them in order to fit in…

I like them because I can carry more stuff in them rather than carry my backpack everywhere.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:53:38am

Seriously he thinks Twitter & his network call-ins are all he needs to win the election, just like he “beat those 17 other candidates in the primary!”

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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:54:41am

re: #176 The Vicious Babushka

Seriously he thinks Twitter & his network call-ins are all he needs to win the election, just like he “beat those 17 other candidates in the primary!”

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In all fairness, wasn’t there a couple of articles where people were absolutely convinced they saw Trump ads on TV, because all the free coverage he got may as well have been ads?

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:55:00am

re: #171 lawhawk

I read the response, but none of it was from the campaign, just from the father.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:55:45am

re: #174 Sir John Barron

so what was the campaign’s response? Can’t read the Twitter.

(Paraphrasing): Open door event, 3000 people, he wasn’t invited, and didn’t know he was there until after event was over.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:56:16am

re: #177 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

In all fairness, wasn’t there a couple of articles where people were absolutely convinced they saw Trump ads on TV, because all the free coverage he got may as well have been ads?

Or they may have seen Hillary ads which feature Trump being himself.

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Franklin  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:56:41am

re: #178 Belafon

I read the response, but none of it was from the campaign, just from the father.

It was in the graphic with the tweet, not the article as I first assumed:

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Sir John Barron  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:56:45am

re: #176 The Vicious Babushka

Seriously he thinks Twitter & his network call-ins are all he needs to win the election, just like he “beat those 17 other candidates in the primary!”

He has yuuuuge rallies which means if he loses then rigged election.

/

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:57:54am

re: #151 Franklin

Check out this clip from This Week Tonight if you haven’t already seen it. The whole show was greatgood, but the end was great:

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Video

Great piece. And so damn sad for everyone.

Before we had to be aware of yellow journalism. Now we fear a society with no journalism.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:58:19am

re: #181 Franklin

It was in the graphic with the tweet, not the article as I first assumed:

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Wingers will twist this into Hitlery is with the ISIS terrorists and the gay people against traditional marriage!!!!1

BTW, what has happed to all the SSM, bathroom hysteria on the right?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:59:20am

re: #184 Sir John Barron

Wingers will twist this into Hitlery is with the ISIS terrorists and the gay people against traditional marriage!!!!1

BTW, what has happed to all the SSM, bathroom hysteria on the right?

We flushed it.

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Franklin  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:59:54am

re: #183 ObserverArt

Great piece. And so damn sad for everyone.

Before we had to be aware of yellow journalism. Now we fear a society with no journalism.

There was another great clip from earlier in the program about government corruption in the age of no local journalism:

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Journalism (HBO)

OOPS: The time shift doesn’t appear to work with this embed code, skip ahead to 6m38s

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nines09  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:00:13am

re: #162 lawhawk

But for all the talk about how Hillary’s supposedly unwell, it’s Trump whose health and mental health really raises questions. From what I recall, his doctor’s report was no where near as detailed as the legitimate Clinton report from Dr. Bardack. An appalling lack of specificity on a number of issues, and then there’s the whole mental health aspect that goes undocumented (mostly because we don’t know if he’s ever had mental health assessments).

But he’s great at assessments, mental, business, jobs, and many people are saying, they say, you know, saying that his assessments are great. Really great. Have you seen his assessments? Let me tell you, many people are saying, saying, great.

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Franklin  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:02:35am

re: #186 Franklin

OOPS: The time shift doesn’t appear to work with this embed code, skip ahead to 6m38s

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:02:37am

re: #158 A Mom Anon

We watched it last night. It’s so sad to me. I love newspapers, even when I was a kid. Now it’s all about clickbait. It sucks, but I don’t know what can be done about it anymore.

(edited to add…) When I was about 5 I actually modeled for a newspaper ad for Lazarus department stores. My mom still has it somewhere I think. In the Columbus Dispatch, a full page ad for patent leather Mary Jane shoes. It was a big deal in our family for awhile. My one and only foray into the world of modeling.

Hey! I probably saw it. I had the Dispatch delivered from when I was a sophomore in college (1973) all the way up to 2013 when it was downsized into nothingness.

Two of my close friends worked there too. One got out early when he saw changes coming and the other was forced into accepting a demotion and was released about 2 years ago.

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makeitstop  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:03:56am

re: #179 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

(Paraphrasing): Open door event, 3000 people, he wasn’t invited, and didn’t know he was there until after event was over.

They could easily turn it around by simply station ‘Unlike our opponent, we do not turn people away from our events.’

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Skip Intro  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:05:06am

re: #187 nines09

Trump’s alleged doctor’s report read like it had been written by Trump, and I have no doubt it was.

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nines09  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:08:20am

re: #191 Skip Intro

Trump’s alleged doctor’s report read like it had been written by Trump, and I have no doubt it was.

I’m still wondering how insane the people who gave him millions of dollars are. After 2 minutes you would think anyone with half a brain would have ALL the bells go off. I’m stupified. Literally.

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:09:33am

re: #190 makeitstop

They could easily turn it around by simply station ‘Unlike our opponent, we do not turn people away from our events.’

I think it would have needed to have been more complex like “The easiest thing to do in a situation like the Orlando shooting is to blame parents for the actions of a child. But while the actions of Mateen were horrific, he acted on his own.”

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:09:42am
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Skip Intro  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:10:07am

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:10:14am

The unhinged and unmoored GOP. This is a party that has entirely embraced conspiracy theories, fact-free argle bargle, and now threatens the very Republic with this ongoing nonsensical ravings of lunatic minds. These are Trump’s supporters; these are GOP voters:

If about 50% of Trump’s support comes from these nuts, then we’re talking a significant portion of the GOP that engages in this behavior. Trump’s definitely encouraged it more than other candidates, but the party has been pushing fact-free nonsense for years on end. Trump is the natural culmination of that plan.

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nines09  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:12:25am

re: #195 Skip Intro

A gastroenterologist is a specialist in the digestive system. The digestive system includes the 25-foot-long tube that processes food and nutrients, plus the liver, pancreas and gallbladder.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:13:29am

re: #193 Belafon

I think it would have needed to have been more complex like “The easiest thing to do in a situation like the Orlando shooting is to blame parents for the actions of a child. But while the actions of Mateen were horrific, he acted on his own.”

I’m recommending you to work on Hillary’s communication team.

I have no affiliation, no pull or influence, but…..

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Sir John Barron  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:15:55am

Today in Trump:

1. Hillary’s doctors. Sad!
2. Why was terrorist father at Hillary rally? Questions!
3. Hillary emails and Benghazi lawsuit!
4. My tax plan — go to my great website and read it!

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nines09  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:16:05am

re: #196 lawhawk

And the major and cable news services did absolutely nothing to call them out on it. For years. Decades. They allowed their air to be a platform for lies and deceit. Just now are you seeing any questioning of Trump. When dollars become more important than truth, what is free?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:18:37am

re: #196 lawhawk

The unhinged and unmoored GOP. This is a party that has entirely embraced conspiracy theories, fact-free argle bargle, and now threatens the very Republic with this ongoing nonsensical ravings of lunatic minds. These are Trump’s supporters; these are GOP voters:

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If about 50% of Trump’s support comes from these nuts, then we’re talking a significant portion of the GOP that engages in this behavior. Trump’s definitely encouraged it more than other candidates, but the party has been pushing fact-free nonsense for years on end. Trump is the natural culmination of that plan.

It’s pretty scary we live among such people.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:19:06am

Questions that the media should be demanding answers to, but which the Trump campaign doesn’t bother addressing.

Moreover, who’s paying Manafort and who’s paying Lewandowski (who’s now shilling for Trump at CNN).

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:22:25am

re: #65 Great White Snark

The more they insist Hilary is ill, the more I wonder. I think how a thief is afraid to have anything stolen. After all he knows how it goes. So what is wrong with The Donald? After all an Emperor is never sick until he is… dead.

That assumes they are coordinating with Trump’s campaign, which I find unlikely. More likely this is just independent Hillary-hate Trump has latched onto.

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A Mom Anon  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:36:55am

re: #189 ObserverArt

My little modeling ad was in the mid 60s sometime. We lived very close to Northland Mall (I think that’s the name, it’s been awhile, lol) when it first opened. I remember the TV ads for the mall ended with the phrase “always a comfortable 72 degrees”. But having a newspaper in the house was a thing my parents insisted on. The paper was at the dining room table at dinner and my parents talked about the stuff going on in the paper. It was a big deal.

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KingKenrod  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:39:10am

re: #195 Skip Intro

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There’s really no question Trump wrote that and had his doctor sign it, right?

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Jayleia  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:45:18am

re: #196 lawhawk

If about 50% of his support comes from lunatics like that, and he gets high 40% in the general…we’re actually coming in under the Crazification Factor, and that’s kinda big news.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:46:39am

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

That assumes they are coordinating with Trump’s campaign, which I find unlikely. More likely this is just independent Hillary-hate Trump has latched onto.

Right. All of these people, all at once, all just start talking about the same thing, completely by chance.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:47:17am

re: #205 KingKenrod

There’s really no question Trump wrote that and had his doctor sign it, right?

it sounds like that. I can’t imagine any medical professional would say something that he couldn’t prove like Trump being more physically healthy than anyone who has ever been President.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:52:33am

re: #206 Jayleia

Depends on which part of the crazy we are talking about. 69% think the election will be rigged, which puts the crazifaction percentage above 27%.

42% think Hillary’s the devil, which is below the line.

If anything, I think that poll confirms not only the existence of the percentage, but that it’s roughly at 27%.

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A Mom Anon  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:52:34am

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

And if they weren’t coordinating with the Trump people then why didn’t the Trump people denounce this as at best a horrible invasion of privacy (this would be if this wasn’t a load of crap) or at worst a bunch of the usual suspects making shit up out of nothing more than wishful thinking?

If they had ANY integrity at ALL this would be put to rest today. But it won’t because they have no integrity. I’m not even sure they know what it means, let alone what it looks like.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:54:15am

What we’re seeing is a base that continues to be unhinged. It’s not going to change anytiem soon. Cannot believe ACORN is still a boogeyman for these people.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:54:20am

re: #207 Blind Frog Belly White

It gets picked up by Alex Jones or Jim Hoft, and then spreads to Drudge, which then spreads it around the world in moments. Doesn’t take long for crazy to spread.

It spreads faster than the virus in World War Z (~10 seconds from infection to zombie).

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:54:47am

I know I see this boogie man everywhere, but I can’t help see the diagnoses of Dr. Roger Stone here.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:55:56am

re: #210 A Mom Anon

Because Trump isn’t responsible for the actions of his supporters, surrogates, or sycophants, but Hillary is responsible for the Orlando shooter’s father being at a rally that was open to the general public and that there was no prior coordination or knowledge.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:56:30am

re: #212 lawhawk

It gets picked up by Alex Jones or Jim Hoft, and then spreads to Drudge, which then spreads it around the world in moments. Doesn’t take long for crazy to spread.

It spreads faster than the virus in World War Z (~10 seconds from infection to zombie).

As I said last night LH, it’s the golden age of misinformation. The frustrating thing is more accurate information is available than ever, something I know through genealogical research but the present of people ike SMOTI, Jones, and Drudge and the millions of people who post their bullshit “stories” as if fact leads to so much shit. It’s going to be an article of faith that HRC isn’t physically capable of being president soon. These memes spread so quickly. It shivers to make me think what someone like Lee Atwater would do in this era.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2016 • 7:57:14am
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 9, 2016 • 8:08:51am
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BeachDem  Aug 9, 2016 • 8:10:02am

re: #204 A Mom Anon

My little modeling ad was in the mid 60s sometime. We lived very close to Northland Mall (I think that’s the name, it’s been awhile, lol) when it first opened. I remember the TV ads for the mall ended with the phrase “always a comfortable 72 degrees”. But having a newspaper in the house was a thing my parents insisted on. The paper was at the dining room table at dinner and my parents talked about the stuff going on in the paper. It was a big deal.

Heh. In the mid 60s. when I was in college at OSU, I worked as the Saturday receptionist/secretary in the Dispatch newsroom. So I might have seen your ad before it even got published. Small world, no?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 8:11:55am

re: #217 The Vicious Babushka

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When you have people like your candidate itself constantly telling you it’s rigged, this is what happens and this also leads to what should be the loyal opposition being the opposition that sees your entire presidency as illegitimate. The same thing happened with Obama.

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Brian J.  Aug 9, 2016 • 8:12:19am

re: #117 Dr Lizardo

Wow. Didn’t know that.

Paper checks are extraordinarily uncommon here; I’ve only seen one in all my 15 years here. Most people pay cash, debit card, or postal wire transfer. COD is also still an option here - that’s how I paid for my glasses last time I ordered them online.

It’s not really true anymore; the Check 21 Act went into effect in 2004, meaning that it’s no longer necessary to send the physical checks around the country as it was on 9/11.

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Lidane  Aug 9, 2016 • 8:13:02am
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Sir John Barron  Aug 9, 2016 • 8:13:28am

re: #216 lawhawk

Fox News “journalist” Howie Kurtz is upset about all the media cursing directed at Trump.

And by golly he’s not going to stand for it.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2016 • 8:13:55am
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makeitstop  Aug 9, 2016 • 8:14:42am

re: #222 Sir John Barron

Fox News “journalist” Howie Kurtz is upset about all the media cursing directed at Trump.

And by golly he’s not going to stand for it.

I remember when Kurtz still had a shred of dignity, until Uncle Rupert bought it from him.

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No Depression  Aug 9, 2016 • 8:21:31am

Ajamu Baraka must be so proud:

Syrian Government Siege of Aleppo Leaves Millions Without Access to Running Water

At least two million residents of the Syrian city of Aleppo have been left without running water, the Associated Press reports, citing the United Nations’ children’s agency. The U.N. has called for a “humanitarian pause” to allow for repairs to be made to the contested city’s infrastructure.

Instead, the Syrian government stepped up aerial bombardment of the city after rebel groups broke through the siege laid by Bashar al Assad’s forces over the weekend. Since the end of last month, the AP reports, the city’s residents have had access to running water for less than 24 hours.

“The UN reiterates its call for the immediate lifting of all sieges,” two U.N. aid officials, Yacoub El Hillo and Kevin Kennedy, said in a statement from Damascus. “When used to intentionally deprive people of food and other items essential to their survival, siege tactics constitute a war crime.”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 8:24:32am

re: #223 lawhawk

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Gee, so little of that in predominately white parts of the country but hey there’s not a problem.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 9, 2016 • 8:26:27am

re: #226 HappyWarrior

Gee, so little of that in predominately white parts of the country but hey there’s not a problem.

“If they stopped acting like thugs…”

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2016 • 8:28:40am

That’s one of Trump’s most aggressive little white supremacist followers.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 8:28:52am

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

That assumes they are coordinating with Trump’s campaign, which I find unlikely. More likely this is just independent Hillary-hate Trump has latched onto.

why let free propaganda points go unused?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 8:29:48am

re: #223 lawhawk

Police have shot and killed at least 2,075 people since Ferguson.

German police did not fire that many bullets in that time period

85 shots: US cops use more ammo per man than Germans per year

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2016 • 8:30:54am

Moroney is neither amused nor surprised over all the talk about Phelps.

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CriticalDragon1177  Aug 9, 2016 • 8:31:29am

Charles Johnson,

Not sure if this is desperation, but its clearly a disgusting display of dishonesty. They clearly have an ends justifies the means mentality. Its obviously some Trump supporters are willing to do anything, and nothing is too low for them. These people should be arrested.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 9, 2016 • 8:31:59am
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No Depression  Aug 9, 2016 • 8:32:25am

re: #228 lawhawk

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That’s one of Trump’s most aggressive little white supremacist followers.

Fuckers.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2016 • 8:32:43am
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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 9, 2016 • 8:37:26am

re: #233 The Vicious Babushka

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As well as he did? I guess visibly seething with rage and not lashing out at the protesters counts as “success” for Trump.

But if HRC were to offer even an eyeroll or a frustrated facial expression, she’s the worst candidate ever and unfit for office.

Got it.

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2016 • 8:43:35am

re: #236 A wild WITHAK appeared!

As well as he did? I guess visibly seething with rage and not lashing out at the protesters counts as “success” for Trump.

But if HRC were to offer even an eyeroll or a frustrated facial expression, she’s the worst candidate ever and unfit for office.

Got it.

She paused when protesters interrupted, and SMOTI declared she had an seizure.

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retired cynic  Aug 9, 2016 • 8:45:31am

re: #125 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It doesn’t have to “go anywhere”, it just has to exist to keep Benghazi!!!!11ty (and the e-mails) in the news cycle, until Hillary trips and stumbles again and they start circulating photos of her having an attack of Parkinson’s…

I’m late to this, and may have missed a previous response, but Parkinson’s DOESN’T WORK LIKE THAT!!

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Lidane  Aug 9, 2016 • 8:58:47am
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Lidane  Aug 9, 2016 • 8:59:48am

This is my shocked face:

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Timothy Watson  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:02:54am

re: #240 Lidane

This is my shocked face:

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“Alpha male” is running scared.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:05:59am

re: #240 Lidane

This is my shocked face:

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Bubblehead II  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:06:34am

Ol Bryan and the rest of the rr nut jobs are going to blow a gasket.

‘Sister Wives’ planning polygamy petition to U.S. Supreme Court

In a filing with the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor granted the Brown family’s request for additional time to file a petition for certiorari. They have until Sept. 10.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:07:25am

re: #238 retired cynic

I’m late to this, and may have missed a previous response, but Parkinson’s DOESN’T WORK LIKE THAT!!

It does in the RWNJ rage-o-s-sphere

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:09:54am

I went into the break room to get my lunch and they had Fox News on the TV. Some pro-Trump PAC ran an anti-Hillary ad. The sound was off, but from the display it looks like they are saying CLINTON FOUNDATION SOMETHING SOMETHING CRIMINAL!!!!!!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:09:55am

re: #244 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It does in the RWNJ rage-o-s-sphere

The same medical geniuses who think the more sex you have, the more birth control pills you need.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:10:47am

Man, Trump’s website is awful. Does Limbaugh write for him? “​MEDIA BIAS OFFENDER” is one of the top news headlines.

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retired cynic  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:11:33am

re: #244 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It does in the RWNJ rage-o-s-sphere

I didn’t mean to imply that I thought you were saying that. Sorry!

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CriticalDragon1177  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:12:17am

I would love to see this bigoted “manly man” idiot even attempt to take on a professional female body builder, or a gay man who served in the special forces.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:13:17am

re: #245 The Vicious Babushka

I went into the break room to get my lunch and they had Fox News on the TV. Some pro-Trump PAC ran an anti-Hillary ad. The sound was off, but from the display it looks like they are saying CLINTON FOUNDATION SOMETHING SOMETHING CRIMINAL!!!!!!

Trump PACs are so bad they’re wasting money preaching to the choir.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:13:52am

re: #246 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The same medical geniuses who think the more sex you have, the more birth control pills you need.

and if you need them at all, it is because you are a promiscuous slut

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:14:01am

My theory is this:

Trump thinks the debates will go ahead even if nobody but Hillary shows up. The moderators will ask her questions, and he can call in to the cable channels, and they’ll be forced to interview him, and he can talk over her answers.

What’s really bad is I’m not sure he’s wrong.

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:14:26am

re: #249 CriticalDragon1177

I would love to see this bigoted “manly man” idiot even attempt and take on professional female body builder, or a gay man who served in the special forces.

Not sure how arm wrestling women proves you’re not a bundle of sticks.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:15:30am

re: #250 Timothy Watson

Trump PACs are so bad they’re wasting money preaching to the choir.

At this point they have to preach to the choir. A lot of the singers are sick of the gig.

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Joe Bacon  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:17:50am

re: #249 CriticalDragon1177

I would love to see this bigoted “manly man” idiot even attempt to take on professional female body builder, or a gay man who served in the special forces.

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Fine, lets see him do that with 10 time Ms. Olympia Iris Kyle. OTOH, he probably has a fantasy about being dominated…

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retired cynic  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:18:07am

OT, but way too cute!

crowdfunder.co.uk

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:18:25am

Trump has the best sentence structure!

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CuriousLurker  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:18:50am

re: #178 Belafon

I read the response, but none of it was from the campaign, just from the father.

Very last paragraph:

An official with the Clinton campaign said, “The rally was a 3,000-person, open-door event for the public. This individual wasn’t invited as a guest and the campaign was unaware of his attendance until after the event.”

wptv.com

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CriticalDragon1177  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:18:59am

re: #255 Joe Bacon

Anderson also thinks that all women, even feminists are secretly submissive and want to be dominated by men. Boy is he wrong.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:19:26am

re: #257 The Vicious Babushka

Trump has the best sentence structure!

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That compares unfavorably to a text I just received from my 12-year-old.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:19:51am

re: #257 The Vicious Babushka

Trump has the best sentence structure!

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This is not word salad, it is semantic logoplasma.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:20:03am

re: #249 CriticalDragon1177

I would love to see this bigoted “manly man” idiot even attempt to take on a professional female body builder, or a gay man who served in the special forces.

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He sounds normal and well adjusted.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:20:39am

re: #262 HappyWarrior

He sounds normal and well adjusted.

Because he is NOT GAY!!!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:22:36am

re: #259 CriticalDragon1177

Anderson also thinks that all women, even feminists are secretly submissive and want to be dominated by men. Boy is he wrong.

He’s also got that weird fundie fixation that heterosexual= stereo-typically masculine and homosexual= stereo-typically feminine. Plenty of gay guys and gals in the military and in general who I would not want to fuck with.

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retired cynic  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:23:38am

re: #256 retired cynic

OT, but way too cute!

crowdfunder.co.uk

And she is the subject of a report on NPR, Here and Now today.

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ipsos  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:25:59am

re: #260 A wild WITHAK appeared!

That compares unfavorably to a text I just received from my 12-year-old.

If I ever got my 12 year old to write that many words, I’d be thrilled! I get very terse postcards from her at camp. But as long as she’s having fun, that’s OK.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:27:01am

re: #73 Great White Snark

Viggen. Sweet aircraft.

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Lidane  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:27:44am
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Timothy Watson  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:27:45am

You know, I don’t disagree that the government should be spending more money to make college affordable to students.

But, this is frankly reprehensible. Instead of spending money to make tuition affordable, the college decided to make a massive investment fund to raise money to build monuments to their vanity.

State lawmakers on Monday continued to press University of Virginia officials for answers about a $2.2 billion investment fund, with some legislators expressing increasing frustration at exchanges they characterized as public relations rather than serving the public interest.

The fund, which is separate from the university’s endowment and is expected to generate about $100 million a year, would be used for strategic investments approved by the full board.

Virginia businesswoman Helen Dragas, who stepped down from the board earlier this summer, revealed the fund — which she called a “slush fund” — in a July column for The Washington Post.

washingtonpost.com

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:28:42am

re: #269 Timothy Watson

You know, I don’t disagree that the government should be spending more money to make college affordable to students.

But, this is frankly reprehensible. Instead of spending money to make tuition affordable, the college decided to make a massive investment fund to raise money to build monuments to their vanity.

washingtonpost.com

Agh.

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:34:40am

re: #204 A Mom Anon

My little modeling ad was in the mid 60s sometime. We lived very close to Northland Mall (I think that’s the name, it’s been awhile, lol) when it first opened. I remember the TV ads for the mall ended with the phrase “always a comfortable 72 degrees”. But having a newspaper in the house was a thing my parents insisted on. The paper was at the dining room table at dinner and my parents talked about the stuff going on in the paper. It was a big deal.

The “former” Northland Mall. It disappeared from the landscape years ago.

Now it is the main location of the Franklin County Dog Shelter, a crappy Menard’s and open space yet to be developed.

That area of Columbus is a little tattered these days. Even up on RT 161 things have grown old.

Just like any large city, stuff that was the hot spot goes away when someone like billionaire Les Wexner decides to build the next bigger thing down the road called Easton.

And then another fat cat comes and builds The Polaris Fashion Center out in former corn fields along RT 750 east of Powell and Delaware. You would not even recognize that part of central Ohio. Delaware is now part of the Metro area and it is on a march north to Marion and Mansfield.

Progress. I am just glad there is a big push to keep the central city vibrant. I’m into all that.

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CriticalDragon1177  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:35:37am

re: #255 Joe Bacon

Fine, lets see him do that with 10 time Ms. Olympia Iris Kyle. OTOH, he probably has a fantasy about being dominated…

He would flee in terror once he saw her huge muscles

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Timothy Watson  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:38:05am

re: #269 Timothy Watson

And while that story is about higher education, I also have a serious problem with some of the local school boards here in Virginia that think that every school needs to look like some postmodern art piece while not having a care about the cost of the school. Style over substance, etc., etc.

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:38:45am

re: #214 lawhawk

Because Trump isn’t responsible for the actions of his supporters, surrogates, or sycophants, but Hillary is responsible for the Orlando shooter’s father being at a rally that was open to the general public and that there was no prior coordination or knowledge.

I guess that is part of one of the Three C’s. That would be the conniving.

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wrenchwench  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:39:14am

“…Giddings suffered non-life threatening injuries during the incident and is being treated at Emanuel Hospital. When he is released, he will be taken into custody and lodged at Clackamas County Jail on numerous charges,” Gladstone police said in a prepared statement.

Nobody else hurt, thank goodness.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:40:39am

re: #92 freetoken

There’s been plenty of blood since Duterte took power, at his ‘suggestion’. He didn’t say ‘kill this person’, just ‘bad people should be killed.’

That changed last week when he specifically targeted people in public service.

Anybody with sense knew it was coming. The same thing will happen in the US if Trump becomes President.

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makeitstop  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:41:09am

re: #254 Dave In Austin

At this point they have to preach to the choir. A lot of the singers are sick of the gig.

And they have to keep the rage stoked among Trump’s hard core or they’ll get bored and wander off.

Case in point - his Big Economic Address the other day. The audience was falling asleep until he rolled out the ‘Cooked Hillary’ material.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:41:13am

re: #275 wrenchwench

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Nobody else hurt, thank goodness.

Look at that Übermensch.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:41:53am

Yep the idea to question HRC’s mental capacity is going as scheduled. These fucking people.

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:41:54am

re: #269 Timothy Watson

You know, I don’t disagree that the government should be spending more money to make college affordable to students.

But, this is frankly reprehensible. Instead of spending money to make tuition affordable, the college decided to make a massive investment fund to raise money to build monuments to their vanity.

washingtonpost.com

I’m having trouble finding in the article where the college is using the funds to “build monuments to their vanity.” If Virginia has been acting like Texas, and I wouldn’t be surprised since the state was run by Republicans for quite a while, then the state unloaded a lot of its responsibility for maintaining public colleges onto the schools themselves. Now they’re going to complain that the school is doing something about it?

Over the weekend, we drove through my alma mater, the University of Texas at Dallas. It’s only been 8 years since I got my masters there, and they have done some major work to the campus. The president, back when I graduated, talked about making improvements so that it can become a campus on par with the Austin campus, bringing research dollars to the area. It looks like they are definitely working toward that goal.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:42:43am

re: #275 wrenchwench

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Nobody else hurt, thank goodness.

Looks like a nice guy…

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:43:15am

re: #281 Sir John Barron

Looks like a nice guy…

/

The kind of guy you’d have a beer with and hear about how many people he hates.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:45:29am

re: #245 The Vicious Babushka

I went into the break room to get my lunch and they had Fox News on the TV. Some pro-Trump PAC ran an anti-Hillary ad. The sound was off, but from the display it looks like they are saying CLINTON FOUNDATION SOMETHING SOMETHING CRIMINAL!!!!!!

Is it too late to quit?

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:45:54am

re: #261 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is not word salad, it is semantic logoplasma.

Ohhhh…that sounds like a really bad medical condition. I think further medical reporting on Trump is needed.

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wrenchwench  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:46:30am

re: #281 Sir John Barron

Looks like a nice guy…

/

This is one of my favorite comments from history:

jaunte
3/18/2015 12:48:57 pm PDT


re: #103 wrenchwench

“I can’t read his neck”

Sometimes that’s all you need to say.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:47:12am

re: #280 Belafon

Yet since 2009, the university has raised in-state tuition by 74 percent, cut grant aid to the poorest Virginians, formed an administrative committee to explore secession from the state, hired a private university governance consultant for $200,000, spent more than $100 million on financial aid to out-of-state students, raised the net price for some Virginia families to subsidize others, and proposed gagging board members from talking to legislators, the press and the public. Thousands of Virginia students who seek admission are denied a coveted spot every year. The University of Virginia is slowly being privatized.

As a native Virginian whose family’s tax dollars have supported the commonwealth for decades, watching this process unfold from a front row seat has been excruciatingly painful.

At our June meeting, administrators revealed their coffers include a $2.3 billion pot of reserves, surpluses and earnings that for years has been hidden in plain sight, loosely labeled as necessary to support operations. Now, through financial maneuvering, this treasury has been liberated expressly to support strategic initiatives that will enhance the university’s reputation. As administrators requested a series of board actions to facilitate that change, members were not apprised of the large sum at stake. Only later did we learn that these moves had created a $2.3 billion slush fund.

Privately referred to as “unfound money” (that is, unfound by legislators, the press, and — as a result — the general public), this astounding sum could run the entire University Academic Division for a year and a half. It would pay the four-year tuition bills for 44,000 Virginia students. It is 20 percent more than the market value of all of U-Va.’s 200-year buildup of educational and general program buildings and facilities. A conservative estimate of its annual earnings potential — $100 million — could be used to cut the tuition of all in-state undergraduates by 70 percent.

washingtonpost.com

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Timothy Watson  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:48:07am

re: #286 Timothy Watson

Oh, and it was possibly created in violation of Virginia’s open meetings law:

A former member of the University of Virginia board of visitors is challenging the legality of a closed-door meeting at which members discussed the school’s $2.3 billion Strategic Investment Fund.

Former board member Helen Dragas of Virginia Beach also has raised questions about the creation of such a large pool of money, which she calls a “slush fund.”

The Virginian-Pilot reports (bit.ly ) that a lawyer for Dragas has asked the state Freedom of Information Advisory Council for an opinion on the legality of the June meeting.

The motion to go into closed session referred to personnel and legal matters, but Dragas says the focus was the strategic fund, which board members were asked not to discuss in public.

washingtonpost.com

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A Mom Anon  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:49:11am

re: #275 wrenchwench

I sometimes wonder what in the ever loving fuck has to happen to someone that they become so broken. I have no issue with tattoos, my husband has a bunch of them and I have a couple small ones. But you pretty much seal your fate messing up your face to that degree. I mean honest to Christ, what the hell happened to that guy? Was he not hugged enough as a kid? Abused? Neglected? WTF?

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gwangung  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:49:31am

re: #280 Belafon

I’m having trouble finding in the article where the college is using the funds to “build monuments to their vanity.” If Virginia has been acting like Texas, and I wouldn’t be surprised since the state was run by Republicans for quite a while, then the state unloaded a lot of its responsibility for maintaining public colleges onto the schools themselves. Now they’re going to complain that the school is doing something about it?

Over the weekend, we drove through my alma mater, the University of Texas at Dallas. It’s only been 8 years since I got my masters there, and they have done some major work to the campus. The president, back when I graduated, talked about making improvements so that it can become a campus on par with the Austin campus, bringing research dollars to the area. It looks like they are definitely working toward that goal.

Being in higher education fundraising, I know a lot of this goes to fund scholarships and professorships and the work they do. An increasing amount of this goes into capital fundraising, because legislatures refuse to fund colleges adequately (a lot will just take tuition money, divert it to the general fund, and then dole it back out to the colleges).

And…I also know of instances where the science and engineering buildings are 20-30 years behind the times, despite doing occasional scientific breakthroughs. I don’t think bringing science and engineering departments into the 21st Century is building monuments to themselves (even though the endowments include funds to maintain the building).

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:49:52am

re: #288 A Mom Anon

I sometimes wonder what in the ever loving fuck has to happen to someone that they become so broken. I have no issue with tattoos, my husband has a bunch of them and I have a couple small ones. But you pretty much seal your fate messing up your face to that degree. I mean honest to Christ, what the hell happened to that guy? Was he not hugged enough as a kid? Abused? Neglected? WTF?

From what I’ve read about many a white supremacist, they often do come from broken homes.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:50:31am

re: #253 Belafon

Not sure how arm wrestling women proves you’re not a bundle of sticks.

Just hold my ceremonial wine and watch this!

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:50:45am

re: #286 Timothy Watson

Well, then, never mind what I said. Especially after the “seceding from the state” portion.

Edit: I have seen other schools, such as my old one, doing lots of work to modernize and draw in research, especially if the state tries to abandon them. Sounds like that the University of Virginia is being run by people who have a different agenda.

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Jenner7  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:51:45am

RNC gives credentials to white nationalist groups, Trump doesn’t immediately denounce Duke and STILL retweets white supremacists. But Mateen’s Father showed up at Hillary’s rally. ERMAGERD!!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:52:22am

re: #293 Jenner7

RNC gives credentials to white nationalist groups, Trump doesn’t immediately denounce Duke and STILL retweets white supremacists. But Mateen’s Father showed up at Hillary’s rally. ERMAGERD!!

Typical GOP shit eh?

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Dave In Austin  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:52:48am

re: #285 wrenchwench

I think spent 5 mins looking at that guys head tryin’ to put it all together.

WTF is wrong with these people?
/(?)

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A Mom Anon  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:54:01am

re: #290 HappyWarrior

That can make a kid vulnerable to gangs and the like, especially if an older guy takes a younger one under his wing (which isn’t always a bad thing, but in this case, well, the picture speaks a million words), but still, it’s more than just that. Something is profoundly broken into pieces, shattered, for someone to be that fucked in the head. I guess it’s a good thing I don’t know, because I am not sure I want to.

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:54:05am

re: #278 Timothy Watson

Look at that Übermensch.

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A beautiful Aryan Brother there is he not? I don’t know why all White folk don’t want to look like that?!

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Lidane  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:54:40am
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:55:18am

re: #288 A Mom Anon

I sometimes wonder what in the ever loving fuck has to happen to someone that they become so broken. I have no issue with tattoos, my husband has a bunch of them and I have a couple small ones. But you pretty much seal your fate messing up your face to that degree. I mean honest to Christ, what the hell happened to that guy? Was he not hugged enough as a kid? Abused? Neglected? WTF?

Those look like prison tats.

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wrenchwench  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:55:38am

re: #288 A Mom Anon

I sometimes wonder what in the ever loving fuck has to happen to someone that they become so broken. I have no issue with tattoos, my husband has a bunch of them and I have a couple small ones. But you pretty much seal your fate messing up your face to that degree. I mean honest to Christ, what the hell happened to that guy? Was he not hugged enough as a kid? Abused? Neglected? WTF?

Parental abuse is an almost certainty for followers of white supremacism who are violent, in my mind.

re: #290 HappyWarrior

From what I’ve read about many a white supremacist, they often do come from broken homes.

The term ‘broken home’ has traditionally meant no father in the house, as though that guaranteed failure in child rearing. [And two parents guaranteed success.] Mr. w overheard the term the first time when he was told it was the reason he couldn’t join Little League.

I don’t know whether usage has changed.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:55:56am

re: #296 A Mom Anon

That can make a kid vulnerable to gangs and the like, especially if an older guy takes a younger one under his wing (which isn’t always a bad thing, but in this case, well, the picture speaks a million words), but still, it’s more than just that. Something is profoundly broken into pieces, shattered, for someone to be that fucked in the head. I guess it’s a good thing I don’t know, because I am not sure I want to.

Right. And other cases, the kids are brought up in it like the Prussian Blue girls and Chevie Kehoe. Honestly, the best way to break white supremacism is a strong public school system where children are encouraged to think critically and mingle with children of all backgroundds.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:57:02am

re: #201 HappyWarrior

It’s pretty scary we live among such people.

We always have.

But modern technology has made us more aware of them, and has allowed them to congregate easily both in cyberspace and meat space.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:57:16am

re: #300 wrenchwench

Parental abuse is an almost certainty for followers of white supremacism who are violent, in my mind.

The term ‘broken home’ has traditionally meant no father in the house, as though that guaranteed failure in child rearing. [And two parents guaranteed success.] Mr. w overheard the term the first time when he was told it was the reason he couldn’t join Little League.

I don’t know whether usage has changed.

Well I meant in the sense that one or both parents has an addiction- alcohol, drugs, whatever and the child. It’s definitely not meant as a slight on single mothers at all by me.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 9:57:31am

re: #302 Romantic Heretic

We always have.

But modern technology has made us more aware of them, and has allowed them to congregate easily both in cyberspace and meat space.

I agree RH. Very true.

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wrenchwench  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:00:26am

re: #303 HappyWarrior

Well I meant in the sense that one or both parents has an addiction- alcohol, drugs, whatever and the child. It’s definitely not meant as a slight on single mothers at all by me.

It would be good to have a general term for an upbringing in chaos, or a series of terms distinguishing the kinds of chaos. I didn’t think you were using the term incorrectly, I just wanted you to have the history and nuances behind it.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:01:20am

re: #305 wrenchwench

It would be good to have a general term for an upbringing in chaos, or a series of terms distinguishing the kinds of chaos. I didn’t think you were using the term incorrectly, I just wanted you to have the history and nuances behind it.

Thank you. Perhaps dysfunctional would work here.

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sagehen  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:01:30am

re: #223 lawhawk

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And I’ll bet at least half of them deserved it. Maybe even 3/4.

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Lidane  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:01:31am

This made me laugh:

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A Mom Anon  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:01:56am

re: #300 wrenchwench

From what I hear of that usage, it’s a home where there’s a divorce and only one parent is present. I don’t think it goes much beyond that these days since divorce is less stigmatized now. But yes, I think it mostly goes without saying in most people’s minds that the father isn’t around. Though that has changed somewhat with at least a small percentage of dads getting custody these days. That was almost unheard of even 15 years ago.

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wrenchwench  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:01:58am

re: #306 HappyWarrior

Thank you. Perhaps dysfunctional would work here.

Very useful word!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:02:05am

re: #308 Lidane

This made me laugh:

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Heh.

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makeitstop  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:02:57am

Conservative Wars, Part whatever… WSJ op-ed calls Lumpy a ‘huckster’ and a ‘media munchkin.’ Heh.

Calling the conservative commentator one of Trump’s “media munchkins” who has barely concealed his love for the businessman, Stephens called out Hannity for his recent on-air “rationalizations” in which he names-and-shames the “Establishment Republican types” he’ll blame if Trump loses in November.

While Trump has recently begun testing out the “rigged” election conspiracy theory to explain away a potential loss, Stephens wrote, “Hannity’s excuses are even more disgraceful, combining oily self-absolution with venomous obloquy for the very conservatives who have spent the year warning that a Trump candidacy is an epic GOP disaster.”

“The habit of shifting blame and refusing to take responsibility is supposed to be the curse of the underclass and its political hucksters, but Mr. Hannity is giving Al Sharpton a run for his money,” he wrote. If Trump loses to Hillary Clinton by a wide margin, as in George McGovern’s doomed 1972 run, the WSJ opinion editor argued it will be difficult for Trump’s allies to sustain charges that they were betrayed, except among the “most cretinous” like Hannity.

The columnist also addressed Hannity’s Twitter rant, where he called Stephens a “dumbass,” over the “dumbest anchor” tweet. The anchor “can’t even swear competently,” Stephens wrote.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:03:05am

re: #310 wrenchwench

Very useful word!

Yeah broken now that I think about it really implies one parent is absent and that really wasn’t what I was getting at. Plenty of people including in my own family no less who were raised by single parents.

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Interesting Times  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:03:07am

So I was just explaining birtherism to someone, and in the process, remembered this:

Schnittshow.com: Crazy birther woman hijacks Delaware town hall meeting

I’m surprised she hasn’t found a job on CNN as a Trump surrogate.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:03:32am

re: #276 Romantic Heretic

There’s been plenty of blood since Duterte took power, at his ‘suggestion’. He didn’t say ‘kill this person’, just ‘bad people should be killed.’

That changed last week when he specifically targeted people in public service.

Anybody with sense knew it was coming. The same thing will happen in the US if Trump becomes President.

all those troublesome priests…

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:03:59am

re: #314 Interesting Times

So I was just explaining birtherism to someone, and in the process, remembered this:

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I’m surprised she hasn’t found a job on CNN as a Trump surrogate.

Ah Mike Castle, one of the last remaining sane GOPers in Congress.

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wrenchwench  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:04:36am

re: #309 A Mom Anon

From what I hear of that usage, it’s a home where there’s a divorce and only one parent is present. I don’t think it goes much beyond that these days since divorce is less stigmatized now. But yes, I think it mostly goes without saying in most people’s minds that the father isn’t around. Though that has changed somewhat with at least a small percentage of dads getting custody these days. That was almost unheard of even 15 years ago.

Mr. w and I were just talking about his childhood night before last. His first thought when he heard ‘broken home’ was ‘How did they know the water heater doesn’t work?’

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:05:05am

re: #299 The Vicious Babushka

Those look like prison tats.

I was about to say that he looks like he has been exposed to the American corrections system.

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wrenchwench  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:06:34am

re: #318 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I was about to say that he looks like he has been exposed to the American corrections system.

A criminal background check shows that prosecutors in Klamath County have filed nearly 30 separate cases against Giddings between 1994 and 2012.

From the earlier link.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:07:30am

re: #309 A Mom Anon

From what I hear of that usage, it’s a home where there’s a divorce and only one parent is present. I don’t think it goes much beyond that these days since divorce is less stigmatized now. But yes, I think it mostly goes without saying in most people’s minds that the father isn’t around. Though that has changed somewhat with at least a small percentage of dads getting custody these days. That was almost unheard of even 15 years ago.

It was written in the German constitution until 1974 that the mother was responsible for taking care of the household and the upbringing of children, which meant that custody cases went to mothers unless there were extreme circumstances.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:07:31am

re: #275 wrenchwench

Man, that picture of the perp screams, “I am a bat shit crazy person and will fuck you up for fun.”

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:08:44am

It is not all due to broken homes. Sometimes it is part of growing up in certain homes. Also it can be a peer pressure identifying with a group for a person with no self esteem.

And sometimes it is just plain allowing your bigotry to run amuck.

I mentioned a couple times here about my oldest brother losing his mind over Bill Clinton being elected and then saying to me when he found out I did vote for Big Bill that the n-words and the gays were taking over the world and he was considering looking into Aryan Nations.

I can guarantee you we had no such a thing as a broken home. But he is a bigot and he did hang out with some bubba-types that thought that way too and he glommed onto the thinking.

He never did join as far as I know, because after that little episode I stayed away from ever discussing anything of a similar nature with him.

He was always prone to being over-the-top because he was always physically imposing and pushed his size around.

In 1963 he was 6’ 7” tall and weighed 275 lbs. No fat…just huge. There were not tons of people that size running around back then and in the smallish town we all grew up in he may have been the biggest. So, no one should ever question him on anything.

Ever!

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Skip Intro  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:09:03am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:09:10am

It’s actually pretty funny that right wingers accuse feminists of hating men because when Ruth Bader Ginsberg was a private lawyer, she went to bat for men getting custody of kids too. Wingnuts who call feminists men haters never notice or care about that kind of thing.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:10:24am

re: #322 ObserverArt

It is not all due to broken homes. Sometimes is part of growing up in certain homes. Also it can be a peer pressure identifying with a group for a person with no self esteem.

And sometimes it is just plain allowing your bigotry to run amuck.

I mentioned a couple times here about my oldest brother losing his mind over Bill Clinton being elected and then saying to me when he found out I did vote for Big Bill that the n-words and the gays were taking over the world and he was considering looking into Aryan Nations.

I can guarantee you we had no such a thing as a broken home. But he is a bigot and he did hang out with some bubba-types that thought that way too and he glommed onto the thinking.

He never did join as far as I know, because after that little episode I stayed away from ever discussing anything of a similar nature with him.

He was always prone to being over-the-top because he was always physically imposing and pushed his size around.

In 1963 he was 6’ 7” tall and weighed 275 lbs. No fat…just huge. There were not tons of people that size running around back then and in the smallish town we all grew up in he may have been the biggest. So, no one should ever question him on anything.

Ever!

Oh yeah, there’s no guarantee he grew up in a dsyfunctional home. I do think people who do are more prone towards embracing Neo-Nazism and white supremacy but your’e right. There are plenty of people out there who come from fine homes who turn out just as bigoted and nasty.

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:12:26am

re: #301 HappyWarrior

Right. And other cases, the kids are brought up in it like the Prussian Blue girls and Chevie Kehoe. Honestly, the best way to break white supremacism is a strong public school system where children are encouraged to think critically and mingle with children of all backgroundds.

Wow. You have a pretty deep knowledge of all things. The famous Kehoe Brothers and their big shoot out here in Ohio. How did you come to know about that mess. You couldn’t have been very old then.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:13:38am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:14:11am

re: #326 ObserverArt

Wow. You have a pretty deep knowledge of all things. The famous Kehoe Brothers and their big shoot out here in Ohio. How did you come to know about that mess. You couldn’t have been very old then.

I remember seeing their story on a crime show I watched FBI Files I believe. I’m something of a crime buff. I also think I remember their shootout with an Ohio state trooper was caught on camera and shown on America’s Most Wanted if I’m not mistaken which I watched a lot as a kid.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:14:50am

re: #327 lawhawk

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:16:18am

Latest lefty shit and I see parroted by Alex Jones is that Clinton is seeking out Henry Kissinger’s endorsement.

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KerFuFFler  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:17:24am

I just saw this comment regarding Trump’s assertion that the 50 national security experts wrote their letter condemning his candidacy because they are miffed over not being invited to join his campaign:

You’re at the airport and see that 50 senior pilots and airline executives have posted a letter warning that the guy who wants to fly your jet across the Pacific has no experience flying, isn’t interested in learning to fly, but still thinks he can fly anything with wings. The guy says, “they just wish they were coming with me”.

Should you board with your family?

Republicans say, go ahead.

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A Mom Anon  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:17:41am

re: #329 HappyWarrior

LOL. I swear, he’s the prime example of someone who thinks they’re so much smarter than they actually are. I’ll give him credit though, he’s been selling that shit for decades and made a handsome living off it. He even taught history classes at a university here in GA for awhile. Can you imagine that guy being your professor? Gack.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:18:02am

re: #319 wrenchwench

From the earlier link.

It’s a full moon in Oregon, I guess…here’s this guy:

Man who watched Portland cops for months arrested after arsenal of weapons found in car, police say

Left: Eric Eugene Crowl. Right: The arsenal of weapons and ammunition found in Crowl’s car Sunday. (Portland Police Bureau)
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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:18:36am

re: #329 HappyWarrior

And he’s claimed to be a historian or GOP deep thinker. This is precisely the kind of person that an idiot thinks is smart.

He fails at basic history.

There was every reason to think that Lincoln was destined for greatness - those Lincoln Douglas debates being but one. It showed character, conviction, and analysis of the key issues of the day.

Trump couldn’t get past the first 5 minutes without devolving into a completely unrelated rant about fashion of the day or that he wears the best hats.

Both Douglas and Lincoln spoke for an hour at a time with a 30 minute rebuttal.

Oh, and Lincoln was self-made - no handouts or inheritances from dad.

That’s the exact opposite of Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:19:15am

re: #332 A Mom Anon

LOL. I swear, he’s the prime example of someone who thinks they’re so much smarter than they actually are. I’ll give him credit though, he’s been selling that shit for decades and made a handsome living off it. He even taught history classes at a university here in GA for awhile. Can you imagine that guy being your professor? Gack.

Yeah, I’ve always thought Newt thought he was smarter than he really is. No, I can’t imagine having him as a professor because I think he’d be a bad one. The best professors always challenged one’s biases. Funnily enough, one of my favorite professors was from Georgia and an acquaintance of Eric Foner, a historian who has written extensively on Reconstruction.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:19:33am

re: #333 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It’s a full moon in Oregon, I guess…here’s this guy:

Man who watched Portland cops for months arrested after arsenal of weapons found in car, police say

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That damn BLM. Oh wait.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:20:41am

re: #330 HappyWarrior

Latest lefty shit and I see parroted by Alex Jones is that Clinton is seeking out Henry Kissinger’s endorsement.

Kissinger would likely not endorse, but he’d probably back her all the same. Realpolitik is Kissinger’s thing, and Hillary understands power, projection of force, and how to use more subtle measures as well as the difficulties of using power in every instance.

Trump knows only how to bomb stuff and doesn’t care about consequences or even allies. That’s a huge problem.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:21:59am

re: #334 lawhawk

And he’s claimed to be a historian or GOP deep thinker. This is precisely the kind of person that an idiot thinks is smart.

He fails at basic history.

There was every reason to think that Lincoln was destined for greatness - those Lincoln Douglas debates being but one. It showed character, conviction, and analysis of the key issues of the day.

Trump couldn’t get past the first 5 minutes without devolving into a completely unrelated rant about fashion of the day or that he wears the best hats.

Both Douglas and Lincoln spoke for an hour at a time with a 30 minute rebuttal.

Oh, and Lincoln was self-made - no handouts or inheritances from dad.

That’s the exact opposite of Trump.

Another part of Lincoln’s brilliance is that he brought people on board like Edwin Stanton, William Seward, Salmon Chase, and the others that Goodwin wrote about in Team of Rivals. Lincoln’s greatness was that he was really an one of kind guy who had the wisdom to listen to other people. It’s the same with FDR and Washington. All our great leaders are men and women who don’t listen to the echo chamber. Trump? We’re talking about a man who brags about not listening to his advisers. Newt just fails so much at history here comparing Jackson and Lincoln to Trump.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:22:44am

re: #337 lawhawk

Kissinger would likely not endorse, but he’d probably back her all the same. Realpolitik is Kissinger’s thing, and Hillary understands power, projection of force, and how to use more subtle measures as well as the difficulties of using power in every instance.

Trump knows only how to bomb stuff and doesn’t care about consequences or even allies. That’s a huge problem.

Does he, though? He says he’s going to nuke ISIS—how would that work, exactly?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:23:21am

re: #337 lawhawk

Kissinger would likely not endorse, but he’d probably back her all the same. Realpolitik is Kissinger’s thing, and Hillary understands power, projection of force, and how to use more subtle measures as well as the difficulties of using power in every instance.

Trump knows only how to bomb stuff and doesn’t care about consequences or even allies. That’s a huge problem.

Exactly but don’t tell that to the holier than thou lefty types who have taken it as proven fact that Kissinger will be a strong surrogate for her. I honestly don’t care what he does. There’s a lot more people whose judgment I respect than I don’t backing HRC.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:23:48am

re: #339 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Does he, though? He says he’s going to nuke ISIS—how would that work, exactly?

We will nuke ISIS’s capital!

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:23:48am

re: #327 lawhawk

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“Sure.”

This is the kind of answer you give when the server asks if you want your water refilled.

I’m filled with confidence.

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:24:33am

re: #328 HappyWarrior

I remember seeing their story on a crime show I watched FBI Files I believe. I’m something of a crime buff. I also think I remember their shootout with an Ohio state trooper was caught on camera and shown on America’s Most Wanted if I’m not mistaken which I watched a lot as a kid.

Yeah…I can get where you are coming from. I read a huge amount of books related to crime and criminal thinking because I came to find the reality of all that more stunning and fascinating than any fiction writing.

Just like this election. Trump and everything that surrounds him is way more interesting from a human study than any books on politics, except for dystopian writings like 1984, Animal Farm, Brave New World and the like for my tastes.

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Kragar  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:24:54am

A portion of the enclosure on the slide’s second hump has been removed, reports CBS News correspondent Omar Villafranca. There are no federal inspection laws for waterparks in the U.S., and inspections are handled on a state-by-state basis. State inspectors reportedly last checked the waterpark in 2012, well before the ride opened.

“All of the regulations are really done at the state and local level with respect to amusement parks and waterparks. There are no federal standards and so it really is up to the park operators, the manufacturers of the rides and the states to make sure this is a safe environment,” said Deborah Hersman, president and CEO of the National Safety Council.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:25:20am

Leadership and wisdom is ultimately the ability to listen to other people than your first gut. That’s something Clinton has proven she can do- see how her campaign is vastly different from 2008 and the wide range of people she has advising her. Trump? This is a man who people say doesn’t read and someone who disdains the idea of advisers. In short, this is a terrible mindset to have in the WH.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:25:24am

Passed by a TV set with CNN on, and guess who was doing another phone-in interview?

Drumpf

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:25:59am

re: #343 ObserverArt

Yeah…I can get where you are coming from. I read a huge amount of books related to crime and criminal thinking because I came to find the reality of all that more stunning and fascinating than any fiction writing.

Just like this election. Trump and everything that surrounds him is way more interesting from a human study than any books on politics, except for dystopian writings like 1984, Animal Farm, Brave New World and the like for my tastes.

I had aspirations of being a criminal profiler at one time but I couldn’t find a Criminal Justice class into my schedule. Just as well I guess in the end. I’m not really a scientific mind.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:26:34am

re: #344 Kragar

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People who say regulations are bad for businesses are idiots.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:28:39am

re: #316 HappyWarrior

Ah Mike Castle, one of the last remaining sane GOPers in Congress.

Actually I think he shut off the lights.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:30:03am

re: #349 Sir John Barron

Actually I think he shut off the lights.

You know, I remember watching that and being shocked because Delaware really isn’t that right wing from what I know. When they nominated “Not a witch” over the guy who had a lifetime of accomplishment, you just knew it was the beginning of a continuing long trip downward.

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Lidane  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:31:04am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:32:54am

re: #351 Lidane

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No shit. Trump could tell them HRC is a direct lineal descendant of Hitler and they’d believe him.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:33:15am

re: #350 HappyWarrior

You know, I remember watching that and being shocked because Delaware really isn’t that right wing from what I know. When they nominated “Not a witch” over the guy who had a lifetime of accomplishment, you just knew it was the beginning of a continuing long trip downward.

Yeah, pretty moderate state. I went to college there. Castle and Carper traded Governorship/House Seats for most of the 90’s. It had one GOP Senator, the dude who came up with Roth IRAs. He’s dead. State’s pretty Democratic now.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:33:53am

re: #348 HappyWarrior

People who say regulations are bad for businesses are idiots.

But what then of the right wingers who get paid to shout that Obama imposed $800 billion in new regulations (as though all that is actually a drag on the economy, and not opportunities for new business or providing health or safety to millions of people).

These people….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:34:41am

re: #344 Kragar

And the child was the son of a Kansas state legislator.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:34:45am

re: #353 Sir John Barron

Yeah, pretty moderate state. I went to college there. Castle and Carper traded Governorship/House Seats for most of the 90’s. It had one GOP Senator, the dude who came up with Roth IRAs. He’s dead. State’s pretty Democratic now.

Yeah far from liberal but definitely not conservative either. I’ve been to Delaware several times since I would vacation in Dewey as a kid.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:34:54am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:35:34am

re: #357 lawhawk

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That’s pretty damn cute because Putin has Trump’s balls in his mouth.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:37:50am

I’m not particularly familiar with Medium or Aaron Loeb but this is a great article about what I’ve been feeling in general lately. And yes the title is meant to be clickbaity on purpose.
medium.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:38:26am

re: #327 lawhawk

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I can see slave-owning & Native-American genociding Andy Jackson as a positive role model for Donald. CMIIW but Andy killed a man who slut shamed his wife.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:41:32am

re: #359 HappyWarrior

I’m not particularly familiar with Medium or Aaron Loeb but this is a great article about what I’ve been feeling in general lately. And yes the title is meant to be clickbaity on purpose.
medium.com

That’s a great read. I wish I could force the entirety of Facebook users to read it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:43:24am

Baby Whiplash whitesplaining that PLANNED PARENTHOOD IS TEH REAL RACIST KILLERS!!!1!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:45:03am

re: #361 A wild WITHAK appeared!

That’s a great read. I wish I could force the entirety of Facebook users to read it.

Quite honestly one of the better reads I’ve read in months. People find these memes on these Facebook groups that support their bias and I am including left wing bias in here as well but anyhow, they find these memes that support their bias. They don’t bother to fact check its accuracy and they just post away and are all stuffy and outraged about something that isn’t true. I’ve been fact checking the memes that a close friend who has gone wingnut has posted. 4 of them I’ve debunked literally with a single google search in a minute. I mean. You know what, it’s okay to have biases and differences of opinion but if you’re going to be posting something from common sense conservative or true progressive whatever, actually looking at the information it’s telling you and try to find out whether it’s true or not before you put in your Facebook feed. Props to Loeb though. It really was a terrific article and I think I’m going to page it later on today or tomorrow.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:45:10am

re: #344 Kragar

“All of the regulations are really done at the state and local level with respect to amusement parks and waterparks. There are no federal standards and so it really is up to the park operators, the manufacturers of the rides and the states to make sure this is a safe environment,” said Deborah Hersman, president and CEO of the National Safety Council.

Free Market at work. By the time this park recovers from the bad press and lawsuits, it will be out of business.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:45:48am

re: #362 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash whitesplaining that PLANNED PARENTHOOD IS TEH REAL RACIST KILLERS!!!1!!!!

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Fuck off Ben. Actually prove to us legally and constutionally that abortion is murder rather than pretending like you give a shit.

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Jay in Oregon  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:46:09am

re: #136 Scout

As if any further evidence was needed for how low the right wing has fallen, what does it say that the Koch brothers, by withholding donations to Trump, have become the moral standard bearers for the Republican Party?

Now, that’s not fair; I think they have been the moral standard bearers for the GOP for quite a while.

But I do agree that when the likes of Charles and David Koch can’t stomach the thought of you as the GOP candidate or as POTUS, you are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off of the beaten track.

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:46:29am

re: #362 The Vicious Babushka

Ben’s love of black babies is surpassed only by his eagerness to adopt one.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:47:21am

re: #367 jaunte

Ben’s love of black babies is surpassed only by his eagerness to adopt one.

Or his desire to help less well off ones. Don’t tell me you’re pro life and then bitch about entitlements.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:47:42am

re: #365 HappyWarrior

Fuck off Ben. Actually prove to us legally and constutionally that abortion is murder rather than pretending like you give a shit.

Moreover, identify how GOP policies that would slash and burn the safety net that so many minorities have to rely on (SNAP, CHIPS, etc) somehow provide care for those children once they’re born.

Or how GOP efforts to gut public education (let alone higher education) is beneficial to minorities.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:48:46am

The fact is and conservatives can’t accept this regarding abortion but courts full of judges appointed by presidents of both parties have ruled that abortion is constiutional and legal under our law. You may not like abortion and Ben can discourage those he loves from getting one but abortion isn’t illegal because abortion being illegal would be unconstitutional.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:48:49am

re: #369 lawhawk

Or how GOP efforts to gut public education (let alone higher education) is beneficial to minorities.

The more education blacks use up, the less there is left over for whites!!!

/

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:50:00am

re: #369 lawhawk

Moreover, identify how GOP policies that would slash and burn the safety net that so many minorities have to rely on (SNAP, CHIPS, etc) somehow provide care for those children once they’re born.

Or how GOP efforts to gut public education (let alone higher education) is beneficial to minorities.

Precisely. I’d honestly take them a whole lot seriously if when they weren’t bitching about abortion being “black genocide” they talked about actually helping children of poor and unwed mothers rather than slut shaming or complaining about their tax money going to entitlements.

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sagehen  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:50:12am

re: #346 Sir John Barron

Passed by a TV set with CNN on, and guess who was doing another phone-in interview?

Drumpf

For the rest of this week and next, it should be easy enough to convince everyone to change break room TVs and waiting room TVs to the Olympics.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:50:44am

re: #367 jaunte

Ben’s love of black babies is surpassed only by his eagerness to adopt one.

Well he has a “Thug Life” YouTube channel.

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Lidane  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:51:25am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:51:57am

re: #374 The Vicious Babushka

Well he has a “Thug Life” YouTube channel.

Office Space - Michael Bolton Rapping
Oh here he is.

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:52:17am

re: #375 Lidane

He doesn’t want any questions he hasn’t studied for.

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makeitstop  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:52:46am

Did Trump say anything egregiously stupid in his phoner with CNN?

If not, he’ll have his chance in a few minutes down in NC.

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A Mom Anon  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:53:31am

re: #362 The Vicious Babushka

Oh please. If he gave one damn about black babies he’d be pushing for better schools, safe housing, community policing, mentoring programs and all the rest of it for all the black babies here RIGHT NOW. No, instead he rallies for them to be born and then bitches that “his tax dollars” are paying for all their “free stuff” and then when they grow up he can call them thugs and welfare queens. He’s full of it. And he knows he’s a lying sack. He’s trying to get back into good graces and a better paycheck since he quit Breitbart’s Newshole.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:53:33am

re: #377 jaunte

He doesn’t want any questions he hasn’t studied for.

FTFY

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KerFuFFler  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:54:28am

re: #275 wrenchwench

Police who are thinking of voting for Trump as the “law and order” candidate should think long and hard about the violent and dangerous people in the white power movement.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:54:33am

re: #375 Lidane

Condition 1. No Hillary
Condition 2. I can live-tweet
Condition 3. No immigrants in audience
Condition 4. Sean Hannity moderator

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Timothy Watson  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:54:33am

re: #344 Kragar

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Reminds me of this story from earlier in the year:

From Six Flags to local church festivals, the Texas Department of insurance oversees the inspections of amusement park rides.

Just like your car, rides get an inspection sticker. Good for one year.

But there’s no one checking the stickers.

TDI does not have an enforcement division leaving a major gap in safety.

“Instead local law-enforcement is tasked with that and in most cases county sheriffs and local police departments don’t have the manpower the resources to routinely inspect these facilities”, said Winslow.

kgns.tv

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Sir John Barron  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:56:02am

re: #362 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash whitesplaining that PLANNED PARENTHOOD IS TEH REAL RACIST KILLERS!!!1!!!!

So how is Baby Ben handling the latest presidential polls?

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:56:06am

re: #380 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Mr. Trump, are you prepared to Make America Great Again?”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:56:29am

re: #379 A Mom Anon

Oh please. If he gave one damn about black babies he’d be pushing for better schools, safe housing, community policing, mentoring programs and all the rest of it for all the black babies here RIGHT NOW. No, instead he rallies for them to be born and then bitches that “his tax dollars” are paying for all their “free stuff” and then when they grow up he can call them thugs and welfare queens. He’s full of it. And he knows he’s a lying sack. He’s trying to get back into good graces and a better paycheck since he quit Breitbart’s Newshole.

Exactly. You want to say you’re pro-life? Fine, then don’t complain to me about spending more on welfare and things like that. Honestly, it is a natural human state to help people out in need rather than let them starve let conservatives want.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:56:52am

re: #384 Sir John Barron

So how is Baby Ben handling the latest presidential polls?

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He just needs to admit he’s supporting Trump and be done with it.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:57:28am

re: #364 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Free Market at work. By the time this park recovers from the bad press and lawsuits, it will be out of business.

/

But not Disney:

Disney erecting fencing, posting ‘danger’ signs after gator attack

Meanwhile, Disney World released a photo of signs it plans to erect at all its resorts with beaches. The red, white and black signs say “Danger! Alligators and snakes in area. Stay away from the water. Do not feed the wildlife.”

Previously, signs had said simply “no swimming.”

Horses, barn doors, alligators, something, something….

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:58:11am

re: #375 Lidane

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Not how it works Donald. I think most of what Trump is upset about concerning the debates is that they will have huge ratings and he won’t be getting a cut.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:58:27am

re: #379 A Mom Anon

Oh please. If he gave one damn about black babies he’d be pushing for better schools, safe housing, community policing, mentoring programs and all the rest of it for all the black babies here RIGHT NOW. No, instead he rallies for them to be born and then bitches that “his tax dollars” are paying for all their “free stuff” and then when they grow up he can call them thugs and welfare queens. He’s full of it. And he knows he’s a lying sack. He’s trying to get back into good graces and a better paycheck since he quit Breitbart’s Newshole.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:58:44am

Good work, Charles, on expertly debunking all this Rightwing nonsense. Rightwingers must be desperate to think that their straight up lies will swing the election in Trump’s favor. Not going to happen.

re: #381 KerFuFFler

Hate to say this but doesn’t your comment presume that there aren’t quite a few Police Officers in the White Supremacist movement or sympathetic towards it?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:59:20am

re: #390 The Vicious Babushka

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Okay Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, Freddie Gray, you overgrown man child.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 9, 2016 • 10:59:49am

re: #392 HappyWarrior

Okay Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, Freddie Gray, you overgrown man child.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:00:53am

re: #393 The Vicious Babushka

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He’s a hateful little asshole who spends his entire day whining about his idea of the left.

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A Mom Anon  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:01:26am

re: #390 The Vicious Babushka

Exhibit 10500. Yeah, he cares so much. He’s a smarmy little shit.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:02:11am

re: #395 A Mom Anon

Exhibit 10500. Yeah, he cares so much. He’s a smarmy little shit.

I fucking hate that my friend posts articles from his stupid website as if they’re fact. It’s really sad to see honestly.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:03:20am

re: #378 makeitstop

Did Trump say anything egregiously stupid in his phoner with CNN?

If not, he’ll have his chance in a few minutes down in NC.

My co-worker is afraid Trump has finally made the pivot because he hasn’t said anything stupid this week yet. I told him to be patient.

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:04:35am
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:04:57am

He wants to be able to veto moderators, and he wants to get paid.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:05:34am

Now the argument is “Well instead of relying on government, use charities and churches.” Well charities and churches are free to discriminate against people they don’t like, i.e. The Salvation Army’s anti-gay policies and the insistance by many Christian groups that ministry be an important part of the outreach. And then there are the charities themselves which are corruption rampant. Local charity to the less well off may have worked better in a time when the world was a lot smaller to us. A world where few people traveled within 100 miles of their birth. Each following generation seems to see more of the world than the one before it. That’s my case for why a large government is smart. It’s a more connected world than ever. I’m not singling out Christian aid groups either FWIW but it’s relevant to talk about them since they are by far the largest religion in our country.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:06:43am

re: #399 The Vicious Babushka

Here are the conditions:

1) you show up and participate;
2) you don’t get paid for an appearance at a debate; if you’re looking for a payday, go on the speaking tour circuit; and
3) answer the questions presented.

If you can’t agree to those basic conditions, you have no business being president.

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TedStriker  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:07:02am

re: #399 The Vicious Babushka

He wants to be able to veto moderators, and he wants to get paid.

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The CPD better tell him to go pound sand.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:07:06am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:07:53am

re: #403 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’d vote for the Banana over Trump.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:09:54am

re: #403 Backwoods_Sleuth

The line waiting to get into Donald Trump’s Wilmington rally just started chanting: “Lock her up!” pic.twitter.com

— Jenna Johnson

Some serious economic anxiety there.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:11:38am

re: #402 TedStriker

The CPD better tell him to go pound sand.

Unlike in the primaries, Trump will have no leverage. He’s going to be way behind, and he will need these debates so that the pundits can rapturously praise his ability to appear presidential for ninety minutes by not taking a dump on the stage. Hillary will be nitpicked for being too shrill, too bitchy, too passive, too centrist, too liberal and not wearing the right hair style, clothes, jewelry and make-up.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:12:48am

re: #375 Lidane

Donald Trump may try to renegotiate presidential debate terms

That worked with the GOP. He has yet to learn that it will not necessarily wash with the general public.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:14:28am

And another one bites the dust…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:16:12am

re: #398 jaunte

TX Baby dies from Zika-linked birth defect usat.ly
15 babies born with microcephaly in US. Vacationing GOP Liars blame Dems

This is shaping up to be the next battleground in the GOP values vs. Public Health wars, and the GOP could not have picked a worse place to make a stand.

They are against both abortion and access to contraception, and against funding Zika research unless they cut funding for some other tropical disease that they can blame on foreigners…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:16:46am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:17:16am

re: #399 The Vicious Babushka

He wants to be able to veto moderators, and he wants to get paid.

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He must be compelled to debate under the SAME DAMN conditions that every other candidate, GOP or Democrat, agreed to in the last debates.

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:17:31am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:18:13am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:19:07am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:19:39am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:20:04am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:20:10am

re: #412 jaunte

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Says the man who supports Trump.

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Jenner7  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:20:36am

re: #414 Backwoods_Sleuth

I heard that too.

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Jenner7  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:21:18am

And he just pushed the bull shit scientist story.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:21:32am

re: #414 Backwoods_Sleuth

One guy just yelled “Kill her! Kill her!” at the Trump rally in NC.

He meant that figuratively, as in at the polls, right?

/

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:21:43am
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Sir John Barron  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:21:44am

re: #408 The Vicious Babushka

And another one bites the dust…

Sean Lumpy Hannity: More good news for Donald Trump!

Dim Jim SMOTI: Trump definitely to win by Landslide. Confirmed.

Dead Breitbart: Democratic Elitist money-man backing Crooked Hillary.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:22:16am

re: #415 Backwoods_Sleuth

Giuliani introducing Trump in NC: “If you lower taxes on the rich, they produce jobs for the poor and the middle class in Indonesia and Bangladesh.”

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Sir John Barron  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:22:46am

re: #414 Backwoods_Sleuth

Very unifying message. Much inclusive, not divisive.

/

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Jenner7  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:22:53am

They just make shit up. Jesus.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:23:07am

I’m afraid that this is shaping up to be the Trump rally where someone gets seriously hurt.

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Jenner7  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:23:31am

Anyone see that bruise on Rudy’s face? Above his eye?

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Jenner7  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:24:13am

“This woman”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:24:45am
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jaunte  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:25:00am
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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:25:51am

re: #427 Jenner7

Anyone see that bruise on Rudy’s face? Above his eye?

Is Giuliani being physically abused by any angry Trump frustrated about his poll numbers? It would be irresponsible not to ask.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:26:32am

To wit:

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Jenner7  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:27:02am

re: #431 Big Beautiful Door

Many people are saying….

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:27:08am

re: #431 Big Beautiful Door

Is Giuliani being physically abused by any angry Trump frustrated about his poll numbers? It would be irresponsible not to ask.

I hear some people are saying that Giuliani brought up Trump’s connections to NAMBLA and Trump let him have it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:27:13am
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No Depression  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:27:17am

re: #415 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Businesses don’t hire people because they have extra money lying around that they don’t know what to do with. They hire people because they have a job that needs to be done, and will only hire the minimum number of people they need to do that job. Give them more money and businesses will just pocket it. But that’s the point. Republicans care more about profit creation than job creation.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:28:13am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:28:15am

re: #426 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m afraid that this is shaping up to be the Trump rally where someone gets seriously hurt.

And this will be a win for DT because the discussion will center on who provoked whom and distract from his total lack of character, experience or qualification…

439
KerFuFFler  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:28:19am

re: #422 Sir John Barron

Sean Lumpy Hannity: More good news for Donald Trump!

Dim Jim SMOTI: Trump definitely to win by Landslide. Confirmed.

Dead Breitbart: Democratic Elitist money-man backing Crooked Hillary.

This BS is dangerous; too many people believe this crap and when Hillary wins they will be sure that her presidency is tyranny. And that’s what the 2nd amendment is for….

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Sir John Barron  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:28:23am

re: #435 The Vicious Babushka

Obama hasn’t built a golf course? That does it, no third term for Obama.

/

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:28:49am

re: #435 The Vicious Babushka

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I bet Hillary has never built a golf course either! Unqualified!

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:28:56am

re: #435 The Vicious Babushka

Mayor Giuliani, same lack of building and golf course construction experience.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:28:59am

re: #399 The Vicious Babushka

He wants to be able to veto moderators, and he wants to get paid.

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Secretary Clinton has zero reasons to agree to any of Trump’s demands.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:29:05am

re: #440 Sir John Barron

Obama hasn’t built a golf course? That does it, no third term for Obama.

/

Is that you Mitch?

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:29:07am

re: #440 Sir John Barron

Obama hasn’t built a golf course? That does it, no third term for Obama.

/

BUT HE SPEND MOAR TIMES ON TEH GOLF CORSE THEN ANY OTHER PRESIDENT IN TEH HISTORY OF TEH WORLD!!!!11!!

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Sir John Barron  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:29:49am

re: #435 The Vicious Babushka

Did Guliani actually say this, the bit about the golf courses?

That would be wack

447
Jenner7  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:29:50am

I doubt anyone in that crowd even knows who Scalia is.

448
jaunte  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:30:14am

Hillary has never gotten in bed with the Mafia!
HOW CAN SHE NEGOTIATE A DEAL?

449
Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:30:25am
450
The Vicious Babushka  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:30:44am
451
Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:31:05am
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Jenner7  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:31:06am

“They released pictures” of the cash.

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Kragar  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:31:14am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:31:50am
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jaunte  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:32:57am

Lest anyone think we’re just recycling.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:33:51am

re: #435 The Vicious Babushka

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But President Obama has done a hell of a job creating jobs for the last 8 years though. He’s been a fantastic President.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:34:24am
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Sir John Barron  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:34:39am

re: #456 Patricia Kayden

But President Obama has done a hell of a job creating jobs for the last 8 years though. He’s been a fantastic President.

The jobs numbers are all lies. Trump says so. Believe him.

/

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Sir John Barron  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:35:37am

re: #457 Backwoods_Sleuth

I see Trump is just talking out of his a$$ again.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:35:43am

re: #439 KerFuFFler

They did the same thing with President Obama’s wins so I’m not too worried. For Rightwingers, only a Republican can be a legitimate President.

461
Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:36:38am
462
jaunte  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:36:39am
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Patricia Kayden  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:36:46am

re: #445 The Vicious Babushka

And he’s a Kenyan. No really. That’s what someone wrote in a Youtube comment I read yesterday.

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Jenner7  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:37:15am

Oh good grief. He’s bringing back his crowd story to Melania from months ago.

BOOOOOORING.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:37:46am

press is most dishonest people in the world.

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Kragar  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:38:34am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:38:41am
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jaunte  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:38:56am

Grrr

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:39:32am

re: #464 Jenner7

Melania, the illegal immigrant?

P.S. I don’t care about Melania’s immigration status but can you imagine if she was married to a Democratic Presidential candidate? Wowzers!

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:39:39am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:39:48am
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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:39:50am

re: #446 Sir John Barron

Did Guliani actually say this, the bit about the golf courses?

That would be wack

Indeed, he did.

AFAIK, Eisenhower’s the only one who has actually commissioned anything golf related. He had a putting green installed at his Gettysburg home (5 stars on the pin). He absolutely loved playing golf.

Ike’s also known more for ordering buildings blown up than building new ones (though he did start construction of the Interstate highway system that now bears his name).

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451_Montag  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:40:54am

The Clinton campaign REALLY need to cut a quick ad calling tangerine-skinned-merkin-headed oaf a coward trying to duck the debates. Force him to attend, or look a loser.

ETA spallin

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:40:55am

re: #462 jaunte

Trump is going away the prompter again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:41:04am
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No Depression  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:41:44am

re: #466 Kragar

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Even the crazy wi-fi lady is outspending him lol

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:41:51am
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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:42:46am

re: #469 Patricia Kayden

Melania, the illegal immigrant?

P.S. I don’t care about Melania’s immigration status but can you imagine if she was married to a Democratic Presidential candidate? Wowzers!

Nude make-out photos with another woman and an illegal immigrant? It would be a massive scandal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:42:52am

re: #427 Jenner7

Anyone see that bruise on Rudy’s face? Above his eye?

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sagehen  Aug 9, 2016 • 11:49:44am

re: #400 HappyWarrior

Now the argument is “Well instead of relying on government, use charities and churches.” Well charities and churches are free to discriminate against people they don’t like, i.e. The Salvation Army’s anti-gay policies and the insistance by many Christian groups that ministry be an important part of the outreach. .

There’s also the obvious problem that during harsh times, i.e. when there’s more people in need of help, that’s exactly when charitable donations drop off because there’s fewer people in a position to help.

That why in economic terms, things like unemployment and food stamps are called “counter-cyclical spending”. When the economy is up few people need it and the govt spends very little on it. The worse things get the more the govt spends, which also helps turn things around.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 9, 2016 • 6:59:36pm

re: #378 makeitstop

Did Trump say anything egregiously stupid in his phoner with CNN?

If not, he’ll have his chance in a few minutes down in NC.

I love that word.


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