Video: White Supremacist Leaders Celebrate the Trump Campaign

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I’m making you click to watch this video because it features a white supremacist, Jared Taylor, celebrating the candidacy of Donald Trump for president of the United States by attempting to sing and play a saxophone, and let’s face it, that’s disgusting. On a lot of levels.

The good part of a video like this: Taylor actually names a whole lot of people in his “alt-right” (read: white supremacist) movement, so you can file these names away for future reference.

The bad part: if you click the button above and watch the video, you should immediately go to your YouTube history and delete it, because if you don’t, YouTube will start suggesting lots more white supremacist videos on your home page.

(h/t: Doktor Zoom.)

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ipsos  Aug 24, 2016 • 6:50:25pm

Jesus, Rachel. You got a Republican to come on your show. Yes, that’s nice. But it’s only a TV show. Do you have to be THAT full of yourself for the “achievement”?

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Aug 24, 2016 • 6:50:31pm

It looks like Hillary Clinton’s speech tomorrow about Donald Trump’s ties to the ‘alternative right’ has his team members in an absolute panic. Watching Anderson Cooper on CNN right now previewing and discussing with the panel that includes two Trump high-level campaign workers has them twisting in all kind of knots. Between denying their association with white nationalism, and saying that Trump hired Steve Bannon from Brietbart for his communication skills and not for his beliefs (and claiming that he has nothing to do with the alt-right in the same breath), it’s got the rest of the panel completely dumbfounded.

Additonally, in the conversation is Trump’s failure to disavow David Duke and other neo-Nazis who have openly supported him, as well as his repeated use of images both online and in campaign rallies that originated with white nationalists.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 6:52:12pm

re: #2 Bill and Opus for 2016!

It looks like Hillary Clinton’s speech tomorrow about Donald Trump’s ties to the ‘alternative right’ has his team members in an absolute panic. Watching Anderson Cooper on CNN right now previewing and discussing with the panel that includes two Trump high-level campaign workers has them twisting in all kind of knots. Between denying their association with white nationalism, and saying that Trump hired Steve Bannon from Brietbart for his communication skills and not for his beliefs (and claiming that he has nothing to do with the alt-right in the same breath), it’s got the rest of the panel completely dumbfounded.

Additonally, in the conversation is Trump’s failure to disavow David Duke and other neo-Nazis who have openly supported him, as well as his repeated use of images both online and in campaign rallies that originated with white nationalists.

So having “good communication skills” makes it okay to hire someone with alt-right ties. Gee I wonder how it would go over if Hillary hired a Stalinist to run her campaign. Bannon’s not even a good communicator. He preaches bullshit to people who already want to hear what they want to hear.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 6:52:36pm

I’m glad they’re scared because Clinton is going to expose the fraud that is Trump’s latest pivot for the shit show it is.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 24, 2016 • 6:54:05pm

SMOTI just retweeted this. So much Stupids.

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gwangung  Aug 24, 2016 • 6:54:47pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

I’m glad they’re scared because Clinton is going to expose the fraud that is Trump’s latest pivot for the shit show it is.

Heh. That’s probably why Trump panicked and did the Hillary is a bigot thing.

Probably doesn’t work when you’re as know for being as much as a bigot as he is, though…

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thedopefishlives  Aug 24, 2016 • 6:54:50pm

re: #5 The Vicious Babushka

*facepalm*

The stupid, it burns.

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stpaulbear  Aug 24, 2016 • 6:55:06pm
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Jenner7  Aug 24, 2016 • 6:57:04pm

re: #1 ipsos

There were some good moments, but I thought overall, Rachel was terrible. Let KellyAnne get away with too much.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 6:57:06pm

re: #5 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI just retweeted this. So much Stupids.

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It must hurt to be that stupid.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 6:57:23pm

re: #8 stpaulbear

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HA!

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 24, 2016 • 6:57:32pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 6:57:49pm

re: #6 gwangung

Heh. That’s probably why Trump panicked and did the Hillary is a bigot thing.

Probably doesn’t work when you’re as know for being as much as a bigot as he is, though…

Yeah he’s not fooling anyone with this shit.

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thedopefishlives  Aug 24, 2016 • 6:58:06pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

It must hurt to be that stupid.

I’m pretty sure, if you’re that stupid, you don’t feel much of anything.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 6:58:35pm

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

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Clinton is expose Bannon for the racist little bastard he is and I can’t wait to see the little asshole squirm.

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BeachDem  Aug 24, 2016 • 6:59:40pm

re: #9 Jenner7

There were some good moments, but I thought overall, Rachel was terrible. Let KellyAnne get away with too much.

Glad I changed the channel then. That first 56 seconds about did me in. Wonder if Kellyanne will become Rachel’s new bff after the election like Nicolle Wallace did? Barf.

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BeachDem  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:00:33pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

It mustSHOULD hurt to be that stupid.

FIFY

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Jenner7  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:00:42pm

Clinton called into CNN.

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Jenner7  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:01:32pm

re: #16 BeachDem

She did nail her on the constitutional issue of the “extreme vetting” and there were a couple “deer in the headlight” moments from KellyAnne.

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Jenner7  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:03:05pm

What bothered me the most is Rachel let her get away with the “substance” narrative. That Trump is out there more and with substance, while Hillary is just hiding. It’s complete bull shit.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:04:36pm

re: #20 Jenner7

What bothered me the most is Rachel let her get away with the “substance” narrative. That Trump is out there more and with substance, while Hillary is just hiding. It’s complete bull shit.

It is and Rachel should know better than to humor Conway’s crap.

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VegasGolfer  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:04:40pm

re: #20 Jenner7

What bothered me the most is Rachel let her get away with the “substance” narrative. That Trump is out there more and with substance, while Hillary is just hiding. It’s complete bull shit.

When you are spitting out bullshit at machine gun pace, its hard to refute it all.
Rachel did a good job

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Jenner7  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:05:38pm

Sorry if posted before, I was too lazy to read last thread.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:05:56pm

The Circle of Derp==>

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:06:51pm

re: #24 The Vicious Babushka

The Circle of Derp==>

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Wonder if Jim would feel if Assenge was going on FNC threatening to spil lshit that would make his hero Trump look bad. Fucking useless hack.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:07:14pm

re: #23 Jenner7

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Sorry if posted before, I was too lazy to read last thread.

Assenge and his asshole friends are scared. Good, they should be.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:08:01pm

re: #25 HappyWarrior

Wonder if Jim would feel if Assenge was going on FNC threatening to spil lshit that would make his hero Trump look bad. Fucking useless hack.

For that matter why ISN’T Assange releasing any shit on Trump? Could it be that Putin told him not to?

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ObserverArt  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:08:26pm

re: #9 Jenner7

There were some good moments, but I thought overall, Rachel was terrible. Let KellyAnne get away with too much.

I am still going with the fact the Comcast takeover of Universal/NBC has a lot to do with it.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:08:35pm

re: #27 The Vicious Babushka

For that matter why ISN’T Assange releasing any shit on Trump? Could it be that Putin told him not to?

I think that’s probably the exact reason why.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:09:17pm

How would SMOTI like it if Assange hacked his credit cards and his Grindr account?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:09:20pm

Assenge to me has shown why I never wanted to see him as a hero. The guy’s an asshole. He doxes rape victims, gay people in countries that execute people for being gay, and what’s more is that he’s an alleged sexual predator too. The guy is scum.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:10:02pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

Assenge to me has shown why I never wanted to see him as a hero. The guy’s an asshole. He doxes rape victims, gay people in countries that execute people for being gay, and what’s more is that he’s an alleged sexual predator too. The guy is scum.

He can’t even hack his way out of the Ecuadorian embassy.

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teleskiguy  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:12:33pm

IT’S A MOVEMENT, FOLKS! WE’RE SETTING RECORDS, BIGLY!

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:12:34pm

He counts everyone who showed up at his rallies where he leads chants of BUILD THE WALL

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Jenner7  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:12:54pm

One of my favorites was when KellyAnne said the Clinton Foundation was both “doing good” and “the the most corrupt enterprise in political history”.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:13:17pm

re: #35 Jenner7

One of my favorites was when KellyAnne said the Clinton Foundation was both “doing good” and “the the most corrupt enterprise in political history”.

Amateurs the whole bloody lot of them.

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bratwurst  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:13:43pm

I was 99.9% sure that the upcoming “Snowden” movie would be littler more than hagiography. Now that I see it was directed by Oliver Stone, I am 100% sure.

The worst part is he is trying make me hate Zachary Quinto by having him play Greenwald.

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TedStriker  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:13:53pm

re: #27 The Vicious Babushka

For that matter why ISN’T Assange releasing any shit on Trump? Could it be that Putin told him not to?

re: #29 HappyWarrior

I think that’s probably the exact reason why.

Also, don’t discard the possibility that it’s also about “bros before hos” as well.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:14:10pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:15:24pm

re: #37 bratwurst

I was 99.9% sure that the upcoming “Snowden” movie would be littler more than hagiography. Now that I see it was directed by Oliver Stone, I am 100% sure.

The worst part is he is trying make me hate Zachary Quinto by having him play Greenwald.

I know what you mean. I like Joseph Gordon-Levitt and he’s playing Ed. Wilkerson and Leo are veteran character actors I respect too. I won’t encourage boycotting but I don’t trust Oliver Stone’s view of history on anything.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:16:06pm

re: #39 The Vicious Babushka

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FNC, telling black people how to act since their ideological ancestors found out they couldn’t own human beings anymore.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:16:20pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

I know what you mean. I like Joseph Gordon-Levitt and he’s playing Ed. Wilkerson and Leo are veteran character actors I respect too. I won’t encourage boycotting but I don’t trust Oliver Stone’s view of history on anything.

Difference between boycotting and simply choosing not to waste your money on a crap movie.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:16:28pm

re: #38 TedStriker

Also, don’t discard the possibility that it’s also about “bros before hos” as well.

Oh certainly, I definitely sexism plays a role here too.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:17:22pm

re: #42 Big Beautiful Door

Difference between boycotting and simply choosing not to waste your money on a crap movie.

Yep, I won’t even discourage people from seeing it but I will point out how much Stone got wrong in JFK if asked.

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Jenner7  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:22:24pm
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TedStriker  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:22:30pm

re: #37 bratwurst

I was 99.9% sure that the upcoming “Snowden” movie would be littler more than hagiography. Now that I see it was directed by Oliver Stone, I am 100% sure.

The worst part is he is trying make me hate Zachary Quinto by having him play Greenwald.

re: #40 HappyWarrior

I know what you mean. I like Joseph Gordon-Levitt and he’s playing Ed. Wilkerson and Leo are veteran character actors I respect too. I won’t encourage boycotting but I don’t trust Oliver Stone’s view of history on anything.

re: #42 Big Beautiful Door

Difference between boycotting and simply choosing not to waste your money on a crap movie.

Three little letters: JFK.

Even great actors take work just for a paycheck or to work with someone specific, so I’m not going to be too hard on Quinto, Gordon-Levitt, or anyone else on the cast.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:23:30pm

re: #46 TedStriker

Three little letters: JFK.

Even great actors take work just for a paycheck or to work with someone specific, so I’m not going to be too hard on Quinto, Gordon-Leavitt, or anyone else on the cast.

Oh, of course not. Hell I still like Clint Eastwood even after the stupid shit he said last month about how people need to stop complaining about Trump’s bigotry.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:24:14pm

There’s a big difference between appearing in a film whose narrative I disagree with than say starring in Nazi propaganda films.

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Targetpractice  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:25:21pm

re: #18 Jenner7

Clinton called into CNN.

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Just the other day, I had a concern troll who insist that she’s never apologized or taken responsibility for the emails, that she’s sure it would end a lot of the “controversy” if Hillary would just do that. Even after I pointed out that Hillary had done just that last year and the GOP pressed forward with their inquisition.

I rather doubt she’ll read this and conclude anything other than that Hillary has “something to hide.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:27:12pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

Oh, of course not. Hell I still like Clint Eastwood even after the stupid shit he said last month about how people need to stop complaining about Trump’s bigotry.

Unforgiven is a great movie. Love the Gene Hackman character.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:27:45pm

re: #49 Targetpractice

Just the other day, I had a concern troll who insist that she’s never apologized or taken responsibility for the emails, that she’s sure it would end a lot of the “controversy” if Hillary would just do that. Even after I pointed out that Hillary had done just that last year and the GOP pressed forward with their inquisition.

I rather doubt she’ll read this and conclude anything other than that Hillary has “something to hide.”

As I’ve said, confirmation bias just feeds this shit. It’s like this with Benghazi. They insist that they want justice for the Benghazi families even though not all of them hold Clinton responsible and in fact Stevens’ family has very vocally asked politicians to stop using their dead brother and son.

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stpaulbear  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:27:46pm

re: #24 The Vicious Babushka

The Circle of Derp==>

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I still don’t understand how he can do all this shit from inside the Ecuadorian embassy without them deciding enough is enough and throwing him out on the street. You’d think that maybe there would be Ecuadorians in the US that would be applying some pressure? I don’t get it.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:29:26pm

re: #50 Big Beautiful Door

Unforgiven is a great movie. Love the Gene Hackman character.

You know, I still need to see that but I honestly think Clint’s a better director than he is actor. I like him as an actor but I think he’s got more range as a director. And funny story but Charles’ stalker Nick Searcy is in a Kevin Costner movie that I loved as a kid. Stil liked the movie even if Searcy is a wingnut dick. I mean it’s nice for me to know if certain celebs who I respect have a similar ideology to me but it’s not the end of the world if they don’t.

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Great White Snark  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:29:28pm

re: #46 TedStriker

Three little letters: JFK.

Even great actors take work just for a paycheck or to work with someone specific, so I’m not going to be too hard on Quinto, Gordon-Levitt, or anyone else on the cast.

Some good actors pride themselves on being able to play awful characters. Not just villains, but seedy, ugly egotistical unpleasant characters. I think rightly so. What if literally no actor would play Hitler?

I’m not going to that movie, but I’ll happily see those actors or even an Oliver Stone movie when it looks good to me. In that business there are certain actors and directors that can freely decline work. But they are the 1%ers of Hollywood.

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Frankie Five Angels  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:30:00pm

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Belafon  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:30:50pm

re: #24 The Vicious Babushka

The Circle of Derp==>

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We’re going to find out the week before the election that Clinton has been working to get women out to vote. “They’re a key demographic,” Clinton said, “I know some of them are excited at the first woman president.”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:31:45pm

re: #55 Frankie Five Angels

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These sound like the words and actions of someone totally in touch with the average American’s thoughts.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:32:26pm

re: #52 stpaulbear

I still don’t understand how he can do all this shit from inside the Ecuadorian embassy without them deciding enough is enough and throwing him out on the street. You’d think that maybe there would be Ecuadorians in the US that would be applying some pressure? I don’t get it.

I wonder if Wikileaks has some dirt on Ecuadorian politicians he’s using as leverage.

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Jenner7  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:32:36pm
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Frankie Five Angels  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:32:46pm

Sorry, that “sweet little voice” of Conway’s doesn’t hide the fact that she’s a total hateful bitch.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:33:55pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:34:58pm

re: #59 Jenner7

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Another day, another reason why I break down laughing when people tell me that MSNBC is “liberal.”

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Frankie Five Angels  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:35:54pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

Let’s start with “Obama has a deep-seated hatred of white people.”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:36:03pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

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Yep. And honestly the only reason why Beck doesn’t like Trump is that he doesn’t believe he’s really committed to their hateful agenda.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:36:25pm

re: #63 Frankie Five Angels

Let’s start with “Obama has a deep-seated hatred of who’re people.”

or the constant comparing our current president and administration to the Nazis. Beck can go fuck himself.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:36:54pm

re: #60 Frankie Five Angels

Sorry, that “sweet little voice” of Conway’s doesn’t hide the fact that she’s a total hateful bitch.

It really is unbelievable how hateful and out of touch with reality these people are.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:37:07pm

re: #52 stpaulbear

Russian $$$$ would be my guess.

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teleskiguy  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:37:31pm

Glenn Beck is on MSNBC. Fuck all.

Here, blast from the past!

Requiem for a Rodeo Clown

Youtube Video

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TedStriker  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:37:40pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

Oh, of course not. Hell I still like Clint Eastwood even after the stupid shit he said last month about how people need to stop complaining about Trump’s bigotry.

I still think Clint really is going senile.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:38:34pm

re: #69 TedStriker

I still think Clint really is going senile.

I do too. That’s part of why I’m more saddened than angry by his commentary on politics the past four years.

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ObserverArt  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:39:11pm

re: #59 Jenner7

Goldie Taylor ✔ @goldietaylor
Glenn Beck is on MSNBC right now. The fight is over, folks. They won.
10:28 PM - 24 Aug 2016
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Add in Ann Coulter on Tweety Matthews a couple times now and no one needs more example the hosts on MSNBC have been asked to be have all viewpoints on, and not to show any partiality to anyone.

Yes, you can ask questions, but keep them mild and try not to trap the guests on anything…just let them talk and if they trap themselves that is okay. We can’t be seen as taking sides and we don’t want to cut our connections to everyone.

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MsJ  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:39:41pm

re: #5 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI just retweeted this. So much Stupids.

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Targetpractice  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:40:16pm

re: #72 MsJ

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Something the Bros found out the hard way.

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MsJ  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:41:20pm

re: #9 Jenner7

There were some good moments, but I thought overall, Rachel was terrible. Let KellyAnne get away with too much.

If she tears into a someone like kellyann she know no other republicans will go on her show.

There’s no business like show business.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:41:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:42:25pm

re: #72 MsJ

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It’s amazing how people just can’t wrap their head around that. Rallies are just that, rallies. They may show how enthusiastic your supporters are but they certainly do not measure your support.

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Frankie Five Angels  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:42:56pm

And who could forget: Youtube Video

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:42:57pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

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It’s our responsibility to push back against that shit when/if Trump loses.

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VegasGolfer  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:43:41pm

The media is so trying to paint this as a horse race, that they will bring on fringe lunatics and portray them as serious commentators.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:44:02pm

re: #62 Targetpractice

Another day, another reason why I break down laughing when people tell me that MSNBC is “liberal.”

Kelleyanne and Beck. Must be “Bring an Asshole to Work Day” on MSNBC.

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Targetpractice  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:44:24pm

re: #74 MsJ

If she tears into a someone like kellyann she know no other republicans will go on her show.

There’s no business like show business.

Telling the truth always takes a backseat to access in the media these days, a consequences of turning the news into a commodity.

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Skip Intro  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:46:36pm

re: #80 Decatur Deb

Kelleyanne and Beck. Must be “Bring an Asshole to Work Day” on MSNBC.

Well there’s no room on Fox any more now that they’re the All Trump, All The Time channel.

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bratwurst  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:48:53pm

re: #74 MsJ

If she tears into a someone like kellyann she know no other republicans will go on her show.

There’s no business like show business.

I just watched the interview and seriously do not get why anyone here is critical at all.

Conway was frequently evasive. Maddow called her on it pretty much every time and attempted to lead her back to the question asked. What more was she supposed to do? Anyone who was looking for a screaming match must not be familiar with this show or its host. If that is the kind of TV you enjoy, you can tune to CNN most times of day.

I am personally glad that two people from VERY different ends of the political spectrum could have a civil conversation on TV for 30 minutes.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:49:54pm

The right needs to be made to own Trump. They cannot get away with saying that Trump was an aberration and not representative of what their party and ideology is. The fact of the matter is large majorities of GOP voters even those voting for Trump’s opponents agreed with a lot of his extreme statements and beliefs. And what’s more is those opponents had a lot themselves. What makes Trump unique is that he says a lot of things that more seasoned GOP politicians can be more subtle about. Ted Cruz’s immigration and foreign policy is really not too different from Trump’s but Cruz has experience in being able to be more subtle about that rather than proclaiming that he’d encourage torture and force Mexico to pay for a wall.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:52:56pm
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Belafon  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:53:48pm

re: #59 Jenner7

Fox’s median viewing age is 68, and CNN and MSNBC aren’t much lower. None of them are talking to younger people in very large numbers.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:54:11pm

re: #84 HappyWarrior

The right needs to be made to own Trump. They cannot get away with saying that Trump was an aberration and not representative of what their party and ideology is. The fact of the matter is large majorities of GOP voters even those voting for Trump’s opponents agreed with a lot of his extreme statements and beliefs. And what’s more is those opponents had a lot themselves. What makes Trump unique is that he says a lot of things that more seasoned GOP politicians can be more subtle about. Ted Cruz’s immigration and foreign policy is really not too different from Trump’s but Cruz has experience in being able to be more subtle about that rather than proclaiming that he’d encourage torture and force Mexico to pay for a wall.

And Cruz lost to Trump because of it. The GOP may think that they can go back to the GOP version of normal, but they can’t control all the politicians who learned they can win GOP votes by going explicitly white nationalist.

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Interesting Times  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:54:51pm

re: #27 The Vicious Babushka

For that matter why ISN’T Assange releasing any shit on Trump? Could it be that Putin told him not to?

He’s too busy doxing rape victims:

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teleskiguy  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:54:53pm

re: #85 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Gee, I think I was like, 12, the last time I saw that film.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:56:39pm

re: #85 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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“I’m especially good at pre-CIP-itating!”

“Gosh what a storm, that Gaston!”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 7:58:38pm

re: #88 Interesting Times

He’s too busy doxing rape victims:

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Such a heroic journalist that Julian Assenge, he’s fighting rape victims, gay Saudis, and sick childrenr!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:00:28pm

re: #88 Interesting Times

He’s too busy doxing rape victims:

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Well, it’s a switch from actually raping them.

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Brian J.  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:00:43pm

Again, I expected this, but I didn’t expect it so quickly.

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Targetpractice  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:01:35pm

re: #93 Brian J.

Again, I expected this, but I didn’t expect it so quickly.

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Translation: “RETREAT!!!”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:02:17pm

re: #93 Brian J.

Again, I expected this, but I didn’t expect it so quickly.

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They know they’re losing some core support due to the “pivot.”

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teleskiguy  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:02:19pm

Oh man, this could be yuge! Yugely Funny!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:02:35pm

re: #94 Targetpractice

Translation: “RETREAT!!!”

He’ll be reinventing himself again by Labor Day weekend.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:03:12pm

re: #96 teleskiguy

Oh man, this could be yuge! Yugely Funny!

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We’re winning Minnesota anyhow but it would be hilarious if this happened none the less.

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Belafon  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:03:34pm

re: #93 Brian J.

Again, I expected this, but I didn’t expect it so quickly.

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Trump: Hillary says were a bunch of white supremacists!
Advisor: But we are. That’s what we’re doing.
Trump: That’s not who we are. We’re just trying to unite all of the white people.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:04:26pm

re: #96 teleskiguy

Oh man, this could be yuge! Yugely Funny!

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Please please please let this be true

I won’t ask for anything else for Christmas

NB: Brodkorb is a former GOP official of some capacity, I don’t remember exactly what.

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Targetpractice  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:04:33pm

re: #97 HappyWarrior

He’ll be reinventing himself again by Labor Day weekend.

And Labor Day will come, he’ll still be down in the polls, and Rinsed will move the goalposts.

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Brian J.  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:04:36pm

re: #99 Belafon

Trump: Hillary says were a bunch of white supremacists!
Advisor: But we are. That’s what we’re doing.
Trump: That’s not who we are. We’re just trying to unite all of the white people.

The sportos, the motorheads, geeks, sluts, bloods, wastoids, dweebies, dickheads - they all adore him. They think he’s a righteous dude.

Sadly, Donny, that’s a ways short of a majority. (I hope.)

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:04:59pm

re: #96 teleskiguy

Oh man, this could be yuge! Yugely Funny!

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Not that Trump was going to win Minnesota anyway, but what incompetence! Its probably been 156 years since the last time a GOP presidential candidate wasn’t on the ballot in every state in the union.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:05:23pm

re: #101 Targetpractice

And Labor Day will come, he’ll still be down in the polls, and Rinsed will move the goalposts.

Or the funds.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:07:20pm

re: #101 Targetpractice

And Labor Day will come, he’ll still be down in the polls, and Rinsed will move the goalposts.

Okay, okay, Trump will be leading *looks at watch* by Rosh Hashanah.//

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Targetpractice  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:07:32pm

re: #96 teleskiguy

Oh man, this could be yuge! Yugely Funny!

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You can be sure that the government of MN will find some way to bend the rules to get him on the ballot, just to avoid the accusations of some dark conspiracy to “give” the state to Hillary.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:07:47pm

re: #96 teleskiguy

Damn that ambiguous “could’ve.” Oh well, it was an entertaining thought.

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Targetpractice  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:07:55pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

Okay, okay, Trump will be leading *looks at watch* by Rosh Hashanah.//

“He’ll take the lead after the debates and never give it up!”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:08:23pm

re: #108 Targetpractice

“He’ll take the lead after the debates and never give it up!”

He will be winning by Thanksgiving. //

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Brian J.  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:08:41pm

re: #103 Big Beautiful Door

Not that Trump was going to win Minnesota anyway, but what incompetence! Its probably been 156 years since the last time a GOP presidential candidate wasn’t on the ballot in every state in the union.

The last time a Republican Presidential candidate wasn’t on the ballot in a state was 1912, when Teddy Roosevelt ran as the Progressive/ “Bull Moose” candidate and kept President William Howard Taft off the ballot in South Dakota.

Taft won eight electoral votes that year, from Vermont and Utah.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:10:17pm

re: #110 Brian J.

The last time a Republican Presidential candidate wasn’t on the ballot in a state was 1912, when Teddy Roosevelt ran as the Progressive/ “Bull Moose” candidate and kept President William Howard Taft off the ballot in South Dakota.

Taft won eight electoral votes that year, from Vermont and Utah.

So its been over a century. Poor Taft, not often an incumbent finishes third.

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stpaulbear  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:10:33pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

We’re winning Minnesota anyhow but it would be hilarious if this happened none the less.

The MN GOP has had some horrid leadership issues with people having to resign their posts over the last few years. It’s quite likely that there are people in charge who don’t know even the basics about how things run. This will be too funny if it’s true, and it may piss off a lot of republicans enough to not show up to vote. Fingers crossed.

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teleskiguy  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:11:23pm

re: #106 Targetpractice

You can be sure that the government of MN will find some way to bend the rules to get him on the ballot, just to avoid the accusations of some dark conspiracy to “give” the state to Hillary.

The hypocrisy will abound. Conservatives in Minnesota, who no doubt call themselves “law and order” people, will totally disregard the letter of the law to cover for The Donald’s™ massive fuck-up. Because let’s face it, conservative orthodoxy is in the shitter. It took a long time (half a century?) but now we’re seeing teh stupid on an epidemic level, at all levels of conservative thinking and Republican politics.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:11:55pm

I’m looking at most lopsided wins by state in history. I think South Carolina in 1936 may just take the prize. FDR 98.57%, Alf Landon 1.43%. Honestly as staunchly pro FDR and New Deal as I would have been, I can’t help but to feel for Landon. He wasn’t a bad man. He was just the standard bearer for the party and I must say correctly receive the blame for the Depression.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:12:55pm

re: #111 Big Beautiful Door

So its been over a century. Poor Taft, not often an incumbent finishes third.

Could be worse. He could be like some of those mid 19th century presidents like Fillmore and Pierce who couldn’t even get renominated.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:13:14pm

And yes I’m a elections history nerd. And proud of it.

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MsJ  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:13:31pm

re: #65 HappyWarrior

or the constant comparing our current president and administration to the Nazis. Beck can go fuck himself.

Sideways with a chainsaw n

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:14:15pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

Could be worse. He could be like some of those mid 19th century presidents like Fillmore and Pierce who couldn’t even get renominated.

Or LBJ.

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Brian J.  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:15:49pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

Could be worse. He could be like some of those mid 19th century presidents like Fillmore and Pierce who couldn’t even get renominated.

The last of those was Chester A. Arthur, who only became President because Garfield was shot, and who wasn’t renominated because (among other things) he was clearly dying of kidney failure.

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jaunte  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:15:54pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:16:00pm

re: #118 Big Beautiful Door

Or LBJ.

Well LBJ technically declined to seek renomination but he definitely was on his way to being beaten by either Kennedy or McCarthy. I need to read more about McCarthy. I honestly don’t like a lot of what I’ve read. Hindsight bias and all but I think I’d be a RFK man first and then a Humphrey but again I have the privilege of hindsight knowing that McCarthy ends up being a Reagan backer 12 years later.

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Kragar  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:16:44pm
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MsJ  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:16:45pm

re: #73 Targetpractice

Something the Bros found out the hard way.

And, if there’s a dirty of your choice looking down on us, so will trump.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:16:57pm

re: #119 Brian J.

The last of those was Chester A. Arthur, who only became President because Garfield was shot, and who wasn’t renominated because (among other things) he was clearly dying of kidney failure.

Yep. Nowadays it’s almost unheard of. Presidents weren’t nearly as powerful then as they are now.

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MsJ  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:17:56pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

It’s amazing how people just can’t wrap their head around that. Rallies are just that, rallies. They may show how enthusiastic your supporters are but they certainly do not measure your support.

Or you’re willingness to leave Facebook long enough to actually vote.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:18:09pm

re: #122 Kragar

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I imagine Trump like Jeff Davis loves secession when it benefits him but would go apeshit if secession happened under him. Really that’ something no CSA apologist ever talks about- the hypocrisy of the CSA leadership towards secession movements within the CSA.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:19:28pm

re: #125 MsJ

Or you’re willingness to leave Facebook long enough to actually vote.

But I thought if I littered my friends feed with Trump shit, it would count as a vote. //

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MsJ  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:19:35pm

re: #81 Targetpractice

Telling the truth always takes a backseat to access in the media these days, a consequences of turning the news into a commodity.

Yup. Exactly. I miss Peter Jennings. I so loved him.

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Brian J.  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:20:40pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

Well LBJ technically declined to seek renomination but he definitely was on his way to being beaten by either Kennedy or McCarthy. I need to read more about McCarthy. I honestly don’t like a lot of what I’ve read. Hindsight bias and all but I think I’d be a RFK man first and then a Humphrey but again I have the privilege of hindsight knowing that McCarthy ends up being a Reagan backer 12 years later.

I’ve just read American Maelstrom by Michael Cohen, about the 1968 election and its legacy, and the short version of my opinion is that your negative opinion is justified. McCarthy was a dilettante, intelligent but lazy as a Senator, who never seriously expected to win and kept talking himself further and further away from positions that made any sense. (I was strongly reminded of a certain junior senator from Vermont.) He was devastated by RFK’s assassination and never pulled himself together to lead his anti-war movement, but his legacy of dovish foreign policy did a lot to keep the Democrats away from the White House for the next generation.

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teleskiguy  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:20:45pm

HELP US, ANN COULTER!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:21:04pm

Mediocre Presidents
Sad thing is I can tell you something interesting about all these presidents.

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MsJ  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:21:40pm

re: #83 bratwurst

I wasn’t looking for a shouting match but too many falsehoods were allowed to stand. That’s completely not ok in my book. That’s the purpose of the press (no matter what Chuck Todd says).

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:24:03pm

re: #129 Brian J.

I’ve just read American Maelstrom by Michael Cohen, about the 1968 election and its legacy, and the short version of my opinion is that your negative opinion is justified. McCarthy was a dilettante, intelligent but lazy as a Senator, who never seriously expected to win and kept talking himself further and further away from positions that made any sense. (I was strongly reminded of a certain junior senator from Vermont.) He was devastated by RFK’s assassination and never pulled himself together to lead his anti-war movement, but his legacy of dovish foreign policy did a lot to keep the Democrats away from the White House for the next generation.

Yeah, I didn’t live it but from the little I’ve read about Gene McCarthy, that was the vibe I got from Bernie too. I think McCarthy could have been a much better leader than he was. I mean I’m biased in favor of RFK, my family especially my dad’s family loved the Kennedys.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:25:31pm

re: #130 teleskiguy

HELP US, ANN COULTER!

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I love seeing this. Suckers. Don’t know who’s more pathetic. Trump or the idiots who think he’s trustworthy.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:31:06pm

re: #134 HappyWarrior

I love seeing this. Suckers. Don’t know who’s more pathetic. Trump or the idiots who think he’s trustworthy.

Its hilarious that Team Trump is in turmoil over his attempt to pivot away from his signature issue. The GOP is a humiliating disgrace; I don’t know how any decent Republican (if there are any) could feel anything but shame.

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Kragar  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:33:35pm
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whitebeach  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:34:44pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I didn’t live it but from the little I’ve read about Gene McCarthy, that was the vibe I got from Bernie too. I think McCarthy could have been a much better leader than he was. I mean I’m biased in favor of RFK, my family especially my dad’s family loved the Kennedys.

RFK was my guy. I was coming back from Mexico with some buddies (but no buds) when we heard about the assassination. We were probably the three most miserable people in Nuevo Leon. I would have voted for McCarthy, but ended up sitting it out when HHH got the nomination. I couldn’t stand the thought of voting for a guy who was supposedly liberal but who had spent four years giving LBJ reacharounds on the Vietnam War and who had shown zero leadership during the crazed DNC convention in Chicago.

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stpaulbear  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:35:28pm

re: #93 Brian J.

UPDATE: Campaign officials now say @realDonaldTrump will give a “Unity Speech” during his stop in the Valley, not an immigration speech.

You minorities will all unite with us if you know what’s good for you and you’re sick of living your miserable lives in squalor.

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Jay C  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:36:18pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I didn’t live it but from the little I’ve read about Gene McCarthy, that was the vibe I got from Bernie too. I think McCarthy could have been a much better leader than he was. I mean I’m biased in favor of RFK, my family especially my dad’s family loved the Kennedys.

Well, I did live it, and even so, your (and re: #129 Brian J.’s) recollections are pretty on the money. Eugene McCarthy, was, in the hindsight of history, a fairly mediocre politician at best, but made his mark at the time by embodying what was, to be honest, something of a fringe movement in 1968; becoming a sort of blank screen on which a lot of folks (though not a vast number of voters) could project their frustrations with a bloody and seemingly endless war - and whose campaign ended up having an influence on the politics of the country way beyond its actual numbers and/or influence. Though (again, with the hindsight of history) nowhere near as much as the anti-war movement liked to think, then or later.

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Kragar  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:36:33pm
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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:45:39pm
The bad part: if you click the button above and watch the video, you should immediately go to your YouTube history and delete it, because if you don’t, YouTube will start suggesting lots more white supremacist videos on your home page.

I don’t suppose anyone could post a transcript of that Jared Taylor video - I’m on my work computer now, and I really, and I mean *REALLY* don’t want to have that kind of content show up in my browser history.

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jaunte  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:46:28pm
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Dave In Austin  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:47:12pm

Evening all…

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MsJ  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:47:21pm

re: #86 Belafon

Fox’s median viewing age is 68, and CNN and MSNBC aren’t much lower. None of them are talking to younger people in very large numbers.

I only watched because hubby likes to. I’ve had it with news. I think all US news blows. Specially when I look at Canadian news. I’m starting to see salaciousness come in more and more here, too, so who knows how long real news will be around anywhere. I know this, tho… Elvis definitely left the US of A.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:48:12pm

re: #143 Dave In Austin

Evening all…

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White suburban women.

They know.

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teleskiguy  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:49:20pm

re: #141 Bill and Opus for 2016!

I don’t suppose anyone could post a transcript of that Jared Taylor video - I’m on my work computer now, and I really, and I mean *REALLY* don’t want to have that kind of content show up in my browser history.

It’s a really bad song lifted from Billy Joel’s “We Didn’t Start The Fire.” It literally lists many white supremacists and their photographs. Oh, and the word “cuck” is in the chorus.

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Interesting Times  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:52:49pm

re: #140 Kragar

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Ugh. Wonder if the little shitbag timed it to take attention away from HRC’s alt-right speech tomorrow.

Even if this info is an even bigger nothingburger than the Clinton Foundation smears, you know the media will run with it.

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Kragar  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:55:48pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:56:44pm

To clear your YouTube history scroll all the way to the bottom on YouTube’s Homepage and click on “History.”

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:58:56pm

Assange wants to please his Russkie sugar daddy. He’s got a nice apartment in Moscow and some shares of Gazprom waiting for him when he gets away, for sure. What a fucksocket.

re: #122 Kragar

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And so we see the groundwork for the first quarter of 2017. Trump may lose, but his people are not going to go quietly.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 24, 2016 • 8:59:26pm

Watching Cher’s talk.

She is one amazing woman.

voices4hillary.com

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Kragar  Aug 24, 2016 • 9:00:55pm
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jaunte  Aug 24, 2016 • 9:01:25pm

re: #152 Kragar

He had lessons?

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Dave In Austin  Aug 24, 2016 • 9:01:44pm

I stared at this for about 5 minutes……

No enlightenment was found.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Aug 24, 2016 • 9:08:05pm

re: #146 teleskiguy

It’s a really bad song lifted from Billy Joel’s “We Didn’t Start The Fire.” It literally lists many white supremacists and their photographs. Oh, and the word “cuck” is in the chorus.

Oh, ok. That one I’ve seen before because someone posted it as a response to one of my friends’ Facebook posts. He got blocked & reported rather quickly.

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Kragar  Aug 24, 2016 • 9:11:29pm
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Stanley Sea  Aug 24, 2016 • 9:11:36pm

re: #155 Stanley Sea

No one can ever diss Cher. She knows her shit. (I’m almost at the end)

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whitebeach  Aug 24, 2016 • 9:20:08pm

re: #153 jaunte

He had lessons?

Well, somebody had to show him how all those numbers corresponded to colors.

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Kragar  Aug 24, 2016 • 9:21:27pm

Chocolate cake with cream cheese icing is the best cake!

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BeachDem  Aug 24, 2016 • 9:23:27pm

re: #80 Decatur Deb

Kelleyanne and Beck. Must be “Bring an Asshole to Work Day” on MSNBC.

And that’s not even counting the regulars:

Oh, and apparently they forgot to include new MSNBC fixture, Ann Coulter
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MsJ  Aug 24, 2016 • 9:23:44pm

re: #138 stpaulbear

You minorities will all unite with us if you know what’s good for you and you’re sick of living your miserable lives in squalor.

You know what I honestly think? I think Trump is so racist that, first, he’s unaware of just how racist he is. To him, it’s just how it is. Black folks are criminals who don’t work or won’t work hard. They’re not like him (born into money) so they’re lazy losers.

Second, I think he additionally sees minorities as stupid (literally); people who cannot think for themselves so as long as he uses his best words (tm), everyone will come around to him.

I think trump is like - and unlike - Palin. She was politically astute where trump is astute in spotting someone’s weakness and exploiting it. But Palin, and I can’t believe I am saying this - which really shows you the shit show the GOP is today - is smarter than trump.

Dovetailing on that last thought, and I’d bet my life on this; trump hired someone to do his school work at Wharton. You cannot graduate Wharton and be as daft as he is.

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whitebeach  Aug 24, 2016 • 9:24:27pm

re: #160 Kragar

Chocolate cake with cream cheese icing is the best cake!

Rum cake is the best cake. Hold the damn cake.

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Kragar  Aug 24, 2016 • 9:25:08pm
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Stanley Sea  Aug 24, 2016 • 9:25:23pm

re: #160 Kragar

Chocolate cake with cream cheese icing is the best cake!

Happy birthday Bro!

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teleskiguy  Aug 24, 2016 • 9:26:19pm
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Stanley Sea  Aug 24, 2016 • 9:26:20pm

re: #161 BeachDem

If you haven’t, watch Cher in the clip above.

The news did not give it justice.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 24, 2016 • 9:28:24pm

So it appears Ann Coulter melted down on trump.

L
O
L

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Stanley Sea  Aug 24, 2016 • 9:29:24pm
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MsJ  Aug 24, 2016 • 9:32:57pm

re: #154 Dave In Austin

I stared at this for about 5 minutes……

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No enlightenment was found.

George bush and enlightenment in a single thought? Hahahahahahaha!

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whitebeach  Aug 24, 2016 • 9:34:52pm

re: #154 Dave In Austin

I stared at this for about 5 minutes……

[Embedded content]

No enlightenment was found.

Enlightenment, grasshoppah, consists in discovering that the subjects’ faces express more intelligence than the artist’s.

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BeachDem  Aug 24, 2016 • 9:41:28pm

re: #167 Stanley Sea

If you haven’t, watch Cher in the clip above.

The news did not give it justice.

Will watch tomorrow—my Dem friend is coming to visit from OHio, so we can watch together!

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 24, 2016 • 9:44:12pm

re: #169 Stanley Sea

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Sweet, sweet schadenfreude. There’s nothing like it in the world.

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whitebeach  Aug 24, 2016 • 9:45:10pm

re: #170 MsJ

George bush and enlightenment in a single thought? Hahahahahahaha!

It is the sound of one hand fapping.

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Kragar  Aug 24, 2016 • 9:52:23pm
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MsJ  Aug 24, 2016 • 9:52:23pm

re: #155 Stanley Sea

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That was some real talk. She was kinda awesome.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 24, 2016 • 10:04:31pm

re: #176 MsJ

That was some real talk. She was kinda awesome.

Yep. Glad you watched. The news did not do justice.

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austin_blue  Aug 24, 2016 • 10:12:00pm

Italian earthquake fatality count now is officially at 247.

Brutal scenes. Old hill towns collapsed. 13th to 18th century structures, mostly. A 3:30 AM strike.

Good thing the Theists believe in an active God in this world.

theguardian.com

But this is hard to explain.

cnn.com

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Dave In Austin  Aug 24, 2016 • 10:18:21pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Aug 24, 2016 • 10:19:33pm

Gaston has been upgraded because of dropsonde data from a Global Hawk Drone.

This may be the first time this has happened, so no one becomes a Hurricane like Gaston.

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Targetpractice  Aug 24, 2016 • 10:20:24pm

We all knew this day was coming. The day when Trump would try to make some form of move to the center, no matter how minor or pathetically transparent it was, and the wingnuts would go apeshit. I just didn’t expect that it would be over immigration.

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Scout  Aug 24, 2016 • 10:38:39pm

re: #181 Targetpractice

We all knew this day was coming. The day when Trump would try to make some form of move to the center, no matter how minor or pathetically transparent it was, and the wingnuts would go apeshit. I just didn’t expect that it would be over immigration.

In reading a thread over at Free Republic, many are in denial and say their guy has NOT softened. It’s rather fascinating … in an unwholesome sort of way.

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austin_blue  Aug 24, 2016 • 10:42:15pm

re: #180 Ziggy_TARDIS

Gaston has been upgraded because of dropsonde data from a Global Hawk Drone.

This may be the first time this has happened, so no one becomes a Hurricane like Gaston.

Finally! A non-lethal use of a technology that has previously been a death-slinging hell hound.

Yes, yes, hyperbole. But this is a win for tech. Now, if they use it to track that low pressure system north of Puerto Rico and aiming at south Florida…

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Lidane  Aug 24, 2016 • 10:49:12pm

The inevitable Downfall video about Trump flipping on immigration:

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 24, 2016 • 10:53:59pm

I couldn’t watch the whole video. I had to take a shower after a few moments expose to the Alt-Righters.

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Scout  Aug 24, 2016 • 11:03:04pm

re: #184 Lidane

The actor who played Hitler in that movie was pretty damned remarkable, IMHO.

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Nyet  Aug 24, 2016 • 11:05:17pm

Beck was at the root of this alt-right thing. He explicit dabbled in the paleo-right sources like Dilling and made JBS look sane with his conspiracies. Now he’s whining.

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austin_blue  Aug 24, 2016 • 11:05:18pm

At least someone in the world is willing to speak the truth. What you won’t see in the US media:

theguardian.com

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 24, 2016 • 11:11:33pm

re: #187 Nyet

Beck was at the root of this alt-right thing. He explicit dabbled in the paleo-right sources like Dilling and made JBS look sane with his conspiracies. Now he’s whining.

Yeah, well…pimps don’t like having their corners and stables encroached on by better pimps.

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Nyet  Aug 24, 2016 • 11:15:14pm

re: #186 Scout

The actor who played Hitler in that movie was pretty damned remarkable, IMHO.

Best. Hitler. Ever.

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teleskiguy  Aug 24, 2016 • 11:19:17pm
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Nyet  Aug 24, 2016 • 11:23:41pm

re: #191 teleskiguy

Most bad guys in the world support Trump, including radical Muslims like ISIS who want a war with the West to escalate.

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austin_blue  Aug 24, 2016 • 11:28:01pm

re: #190 Nyet

Best. Hitler. Ever.

I don’t know. We’ve got some pretty good contenders this election cycle. David Duke comes to mind. Oh, and Trump’s base, including “fuhrerus 1488” on Twitter.

They seem nice.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 24, 2016 • 11:48:04pm
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Dave In Austin  Aug 24, 2016 • 11:48:38pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 24, 2016 • 11:56:45pm

re: #186 Scout

The actor who played Hitler in that movie was pretty damned remarkable, IMHO.

Bruno Ganz en.m.wikipedia.org

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austin_blue  Aug 25, 2016 • 12:03:49am

Night all. Sweet caiman dreams.

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Single-handed sailor  Aug 25, 2016 • 12:46:03am

mmmmm, Caymen dreams…

Bioluminescence
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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 25, 2016 • 12:55:54am

re: #162 MsJ

I wonder who his Marty McFly was.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 25, 2016 • 2:00:33am

re: #76 HappyWarrior

It’s amazing how people just can’t wrap their head around that. Rallies are just that, rallies. They may show how enthusiastic your supporters are but they certainly do not measure your support.

We are from the generations that want instant miracle diets, overnight get-rich-quick schemes and election results months in advance. Any sort of arcane augury over the outcome is going to be obsessed over.

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freetoken  Aug 25, 2016 • 2:06:11am

re: #187 Nyet

Beck is a “worker”, just like Drumpfskind. They learned their carny gig from the best of late 20th century American con artists.

Thing is, marks want to be worked.

That’s why the game is perpetually successful.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 25, 2016 • 2:08:45am

re: #201 freetoken

Beck is a “worker”, just like Drumpfskind. They learned their carny gig from the best of late 20th century American con artists.

Thing is, marks want to be worked.

That’s why the game is perpetually successful.

Beck was a morning AM radio shock jock before drifting into political commentary. It is all about grabbing and keeping people’s attention. At which he and Trump are masters.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 25, 2016 • 2:23:40am

re: #200 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We are from the generations that want instant miracle diets, overnight get-rich-quick schemes and election results months in advance. Any sort of arcane augury over the outcome is going to be obsessed over.

I had a family member refer to it as the “instant gratification generation”, of course, it isn’t just millennials that have that problem.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 25, 2016 • 2:30:38am

re: #203 Timothy Watson

I had a family member refer to it as the “instant gratification generation”, of course, it isn’t just millennials that have that problem.

Our national obsession with polling results in elections is as extreme as some people’s obsession with finding instant hookups on grindr.

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LastYearsMan  Aug 25, 2016 • 3:02:10am

The weird thing about Beck to me is the 2-3 times a year he discovers empathy on an issue. It fades quickly though. Like an alcoholic promising not to drink anymore.

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 3:14:05am

re: #144 MsJ

I only watched because hubby likes to. I’ve had it with news. I think all US news blows. Specially when I look at Canadian news. I’m starting to see salaciousness come in more and more here, too, so who knows how long real news will be around anywhere. I know this, tho… Elvis definitely left the US of A.

My wife and I do not own a television set. We get our news from the local papers and on-line sources.

The Scottsbluff Star-Herald recently sent me a questionnaire asking me if I thought the paper leaned “too liberal” (no, it is very conservative), based on some political cartoons it published recently. I responded that no, they ought to be calling out Mr. Trump on every one of his attacks on the press, on siccing his supporters on the press pen, on running against the Constitution.

Instead, they printed comments from a bunch of people saying yes, they lean too liberal. (Gaaa.)

I get it I am about their only liberal subscriber but you’d think they’d want to protect their I Amendment rights and call out those that attack those rights.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 25, 2016 • 3:23:31am

re: #206 Anymouse

I get it I am about their only liberal subscriber but you’d think they’d want to protect their I Amendment rights and call out those that attack those rights.

They want to protect their readership. If readership wants them to roll over on DT, then they roll.

I do not watch TV news. Every time I am exposed to it for any length of time (mostly while visiting family) I really notice how it is designed to kill brain cells.

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 3:28:06am

re: #207 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My wife and I went to the Panhandle Pride Picnic organising meeting this evening. (The Scott’s Bluff County Democratic Party is again this year helping PP organise the picnic, and is also helping them get set up independently as a non-profit.)

As hetero-quislings, I am not sure we were of much help with the organising part. The Democratic Party chair for Scott’s Bluff County was appreciative of my appearance there though. (Last year, the first time there was such a picnic, I was the only elected official present. This year that is expected to be the same.)

I asked him afterwards if there was some way he could lean on my own county party, since they won’t even acknowledge my existence (despite being the only elected Democrat in the county). He said he would look into it.

The 2nd Annual Pride Picnic will be in Gering (a sister-city of Scottsbluff) on Saturday.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 25, 2016 • 3:30:56am

I have heard people whine on Facebook about how Hillary gets a “free pass” for her transgressions while Trump is subject to vicious, unfounded ad-hominem attacks.

*sigh*

Because they have been told that is the case, I guess…

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Timothy Watson  Aug 25, 2016 • 3:32:13am

re: #207 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They want to protect their readership. If readership wants them to roll over on DT, then they roll.

I do not watch TV news. Every time I am exposed to it for any length of time (mostly while visiting family) I really notice how it is designed to kill brain cells.

I watch some local news but half of that time is spent promoting TV shows on the same network.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 25, 2016 • 3:38:04am

re: #210 Timothy Watson

I watch some local news but half of that time is spent promoting TV shows on the same network.

I just recall last summer when my family was here watching CNN. Trump got up and said that Jeb Bush was so boring that people were falling asleep at his rallies.

Half an hour later, CNN interviews a woman who had fallen asleep at a Bush rally.

I believe that is the last time I ever watched CNN.

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 3:39:58am

Our county party organisation here is so bad it hasn’t even updated its Website in five years.

My wife (a software engineer and Webhosting company owner, as well as the village’s former library director) offered to bring the Website up to date.

Instead the party has pulled the Website down with no replacement.

I don’t know what I did to upset them. My wife even less so, as she did not become a Democrat until she moved here. (She was a Libertarian.)

The state party also ignores me.

It is almost as if the Nebraska Democratic Party doesn’t want to elect local officials.

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William Lewis  Aug 25, 2016 • 3:43:17am

News. I used to use the Times website till they went pay wall. Then I was NPR till this week when they did away with comments on the stories. Now I’ll probably use BBC and Deutsche Welle instead.

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 3:46:45am

re: #213 William Lewis

News. I used to use the Times website till they went pay wall. Then I was NPR till this week when they did away with comments on the stories. Now I’ll probably use BBC and Deutsche Welle instead.

I still listen to NPR in the car (my radio at home is insufficient to pick up the station in Alliance ninety miles away).

I mostly get news from the BBC, CTV, CBC, Deutsche Welle, and Voice of America. (Also occasionally from various shortwave outlets since my Internet service is down more than it is up.)

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Thanos  Aug 25, 2016 • 3:57:16am

re: #213 William Lewis

Try Kansas city Star, Sacramento Bee, San Jose Mercury News, Boston Globe.

At the pay wall sites you can just delete your history periodically, or use a chrome add in to make links to NYT, WAPO, and Boston Globe open in incognito windows.

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 4:09:18am

Well, I need to go off to bed. I had a long evening, and the sun will be coming up soon.

I wish I was a better organiser, I would try to do something about my moribund Democratic Party in my county. (It is run by two very elderly men. I have nothing against elderly men, but they don’t seem interested in building a base of younger people than about seventy.)

Someone at Daily Kos suggested on the issue of the Website (when it was still up but five years out of date) that we start a Democratic club with the blessing of the state party, and put up our own Website. After some time building the club, go to the state party and note the difference in Websites and have the state party designate the club Website the official one for the county. (That person said he did that with his county party.)

However, I can’t get the state party to acknowledge my existence either (maybe that’s why Senator Ernie Chambers is an independent).

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Targetpractice  Aug 25, 2016 • 4:24:05am

So I’ve seen a trailer for a Blair Witch sequel and now one for another The Ring sequel. Mein Gott, I knew Hollywood was bereft of new ideas, but I didn’t think it was this bad.

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 4:27:36am

re: #217 Targetpractice

So I’ve seen a trailer for a Blair Witch sequel and now one for another The Ring sequel. Mein Gott, I knew Hollywood was bereft or new ideas, but I didn’t think it was this bad.

Well, considering what’s going on with the alt-right neo-Nazis, someone could come out with a sequel to “Birth of a Nation.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 25, 2016 • 4:44:20am

re: #217 Targetpractice

So I’ve seen a trailer for a Blair Witch sequel and now one for another The Ring sequel. Mein Gott, I knew Hollywood was bereft of new ideas, but I didn’t think it was this bad.

A film about a flight where all the on-flight movies and games break down and the only entertainment is a children’s game that a passenger has brought:

Snakes and Ladders on a Plane

Or one about the Polar Vortex sucking up all the bears from Northern Canada and dropping them on Toronto:

Grizzlard

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:00:07am

re: #219 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A film about a flight where all the on-flight movies and games break down and the only entertainment is a children’s game that a passenger has brought:

Snakes and Ladders on a Plane

Or one about the Polar Vortex sucking up all the bears from Northern Canada and dropping them on Toronto:

Grizzlard

Or a film about a hurricane that sucks up all the alligators in Louisiana or Florida and drops them on a Tennessee legal school as it moves inland:

Gatoraide.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:01:57am

Butthurt JillShill pushes bogus meme from FoxNews & DailyCaller. The Circle of Derp is complete==>

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:05:18am

re: #221 The Vicious Babushka

Says the woman who hangs out with Russian Oligarchs in Moscow whilst bellyaching about the oligarchy.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:06:31am

re: #222 Anymouse

Says the woman who hangs out with Russian Oligarchs in Moscow whilst bellyaching about the oligarchy.

SOME OLIGARCHS ARE BETTER THAN OTHER OLIGARCHS!!!11!!

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:07:01am

It’s Heather Bresch, not Dresch. Can’t even spell a meme.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:07:07am

re: #223 The Vicious Babushka

SOME OLIGARCHS ARE BETTER THAN OTHER OLIGARCHS!!!11!!

Some are more equal than others, too.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:09:05am

re: #222 Anymouse

Says the woman who hangs out with Russian Oligarchs in Moscow whilst bellyaching about the oligarchy.

or the woman whose running mate is an Assad apologist.

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:09:29am

Considering the racist Holocaust denier that Dr. Stein has for a VP pick, and her own positions, I put her more in the wingnut right wing neo-Nazi camp myself.

She is not much more than a poorer, but better polished version of Donald Trump.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:09:48am

This is how LA Times reports the Clinton campaign fundraising efforts, but say nothing about the Trump campaign using donated money to buy his books==>

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:10:33am

Stein herself also is an apologist for racism in the UK. And when she got called out on it, she tried to deny that she sympathized with the Brexit voters.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:12:02am

You know though, I think it’s funny that people are shitting on the Clinton Foundation but at the same time don’t want the government to have involvement in the issues the CF is involved in. I admit it. I’m as a rule skeptical of charities since there’s a lot of corrupt ones out there.

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Targetpractice  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:22:09am

re: #230 HappyWarrior

You know though, I think it’s funny that people are shitting on the Clinton Foundation but at the same time don’t want the government to have involvement in the issues the CF is involved in. I admit it. I’m as a rule skeptical of charities since there’s a lot of corrupt ones out there.

What I’ve noticed is every example of “corruption” they’ve brought up concerning the CF has either gone nowhere or has involved *gasp!* people wanting the State Department to help them with humanitarian issues! The rest is just bullshit and speculation, such as the belief that “Uranium One” deal that ignores so many realities of said deal (i.e. State had no veto authority, Clinton was not involved in the decision, the donation was on behalf of someone who couldn’t donate, etc).

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:23:53am

re: #231 Targetpractice

What I’ve noticed is every example of “corruption” they’ve brought up concerning the CF has either gone nowhere or has involved *gasp!* people wanting the State Department to help them with humanitarian issues! The rest is just bullshit and speculation, such as the belief that “Uranium One” deal that ignores so many realities of said deal (i.e. State had no veto authority, Clinton was not involved in the decision, the donation was on behalf of someone who couldn’t donate, etc).

Exactly but what’s a little bit of bullshit between friends.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:25:16am

re: #231 Targetpractice

What I’ve noticed is every example of “corruption” they’ve brought up concerning the CF has either gone nowhere or has involved *gasp!* people wanting the State Department to help them with humanitarian issues! The rest is just bullshit and speculation, such as the belief that “Uranium One” deal that ignores so many realities of said deal (i.e. State had no veto authority, Clinton was not involved in the decision, the donation was on behalf of someone who couldn’t donate, etc).

Regarding that Dudenut/Wingbro meme I posted, Hillary has condemned the EpiPen price hike in strongest terms. People whose minds are already made up can’t be confused by facts.

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:26:43am

re: #230 HappyWarrior

You know though, I think it’s funny that people are shitting on the Clinton Foundation but at the same time don’t want the government to have involvement in the issues the CF is involved in. I admit it. I’m as a rule skeptical of charities since there’s a lot of corrupt ones out there.

Which is why we have such things as Charity Watch, who can go through all the paperwork and such.

On the Clinton Foundation: Rated A. Spends $88 of every $100 on foundation mission. Spends $2 to raise $100.
charitywatch.org

Compared to, say, Samaritan’s Purse: Rated A-. Spends $77 on every $100 on foundation mission. Spends $15 to raise $100.
charitywatch.org

Or SPCAI (SPCA International not to be confused with the SPCA. SPCAI gets an F rating for only using $8 of every $100 for programmes.

charitywatch.org

While SPCAI is in no way connected to the better known American Society to Prevent Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA), it is easy to see how its familiar sounding name might confuse donors into thinking it is somehow affiliated with this or other well-established charities with similar cruelty prevention causes. SPCAI does not run any animal shelters of its own, nor does it claim to, but it does donate funds to other animal charities via its “Shelter of the Week” grants. Donors should be cautioned to not assume, however, that the support SPCAI provides to shelters is substantial. The charity boasts of the impact of these grants on its web site, listing more than seventy shelter grant recipients in 2009, but these grants totaled only $67,000-less than $1,000 per shelter. In contrast, the charity spent $9.5 million of its cash budget on fundraising, including solicitation letters with educational messages meant to raise “animal cruelty awareness.”

In 2009 SPCAI spent $128 to raise each $100 in cash support, ending the year in the red to the tune of $6,684,000. According to the charity’s tax filing of the same year, it purchased $5,196,000 worth of “printing and related services” from its top vendor, Quadriga Art, and $1,143,000 of “database services” from Quadriga’s related company, Brickmill Marketing Services. The charity’s 2009 audit reports that about 99% of the charity’s total debt is owed to Quadriga Art and its related companies.

Similarly, the “Disabled Veterans National Foundation,” not to be confused with the Disabled American Veterans (of which I am a member) was entangled in a scheme to pay vendors and past debts with future donations.

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Targetpractice  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:30:02am

The Clinton Foundation is really just the latest head of the “scandal” hydra that goes all the way back to Whitewater. It’s a spin-off of the GOP obsession with her emails, which in turn were the spin-off of their belief that there was evidence she’d left people to die in Benghazi. And when the Foundation business fails to go anywhere, they’ll find a new spin-off to flog. Every time you kill a Clinton “scandal,” two more rise to take its place.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:30:06am

Automatic Blocking Function triggered==>

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ChuckJager95  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:30:21am

seriously, fuck these people.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:32:59am

re: #234 Anymouse

Which is why we have such things as Charity Watch, who can go through all the paperwork and such.

On the Clinton Foundation: Rated A. Spends $88 of every $100 on foundation mission. Spends $2 to raise $100.
charitywatch.org

Compared to, say, Samaritan’s Purse: Rated A-. Spends $77 on every $100 on foundation mission. Spends $15 to raise $100.
charitywatch.org

Or SPCAI (SPCA International not to be confused with the SPCA. SPCAI gets an F rating for only using $8 of every $100 for programmes.

charitywatch.org

Similarly, the “Disabled Veterans National Foundation,” not to be confused with the Disabled American Veterans (of which I am a member) was entangled in a scheme to pay vendors and past debts with future donations.

Yeah I am glad we have Charity watchdogs out there. It’s a good thing to have.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:35:40am

re: #235 Targetpractice

The Clinton Foundation is really just the latest head of the “scandal” hydra that goes all the way back to Whitewater. It’s a spin-off of the GOP obsession with her emails, which in turn were the spin-off of their belief that there was evidence she’d left people to die in Benghazi. And when the Foundation business fails to go anywhere, they’ll find a new spin-off to flog. Every time you kill a Clinton “scandal,” two more rise to take its place.

It never ends. Just insert disk 2. And the thing is it doesn’t matter who the Democratic nominee and standard bearer is. The Republicans and their allies in the media will attempt to call any Dem nominee crooked to distract from the very real reality of how much their party and ideology is crooked to the teeth.

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:37:13am

re: #238 HappyWarrior

Moreover, the Clinton foundation has saved or spared tens of millions of lives providing such things as medications to those who cannot afford them.

Those arguing (like the self-righteous Atlantic magazine) that the foundation “should be shut down” if when Mrs. Clinton gets elected are arguing to throw all those the foundation helps under a bus.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:37:49am

LOL

No.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:40:14am

re: #240 Anymouse

Moreover, the Clinton foundation has saved or spared tens of millions of lives providing such things as medications to those who cannot afford them.

Those arguing (like the self-righteous Atlantic magazine) that the foundation “should be shut down” if when Mrs. Clinton gets elected are arguing to throw all those the foundation helps under a bus.

Exactly. Shit feels like ACORN all over again but on a global level.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:41:28am

re: #241 The Vicious Babushka

LOL

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No.

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You’re not going to win Florida, Dumboald. Oh and bragging that you have a big lead in Utah. That’s nice. You’re a Republican. You should be winning Utah big.

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:41:39am

re: #242 HappyWarrior

Exactly. Shit feels like ACORN all over again but on a global level.

And nominally left-leaning magazines like The Atlantic are jumping into the dog pile poo flinging fest derp.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:42:47am

re: #244 Anymouse

And nominally left-leaning magazines like The Atlantic are jumping into the dog pile poo flinging fest derp.

Frustrating isn’t it? They’re not going to be adversely effected by a shutdown but a lot of less well off people will be.

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Targetpractice  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:44:54am

re: #244 Anymouse

And nominally left-leaning magazines like The Atlantic are jumping into the dog pile poo flinging fest derp.

It really seems that the fact that she’s leading over Trump has allowed some liberal publications to feel comfortable in airing their grievances with her.

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:46:32am

re: #246 Targetpractice

It really seems that the fact that she’s leading over Trump has allowed some liberal publications to feel comfortable in airing their grievances with her.

And I want to scream: No! She is not the fascist! It’s like comparing a firecracker to a supernova and claiming “they’re both the same.”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:49:44am

re: #246 Targetpractice

It really seems that the fact that she’s leading over Trump has allowed some liberal publications to feel comfortable in airing their grievances with her.

They can air their grievances but so much of what that element of the left does with Clinton really rubs me the wrong way. They seem to want all the benefits we get with a center-left President but they want to be able to run a way when the going gets tough. I hate to single out Charles Pierce who is a journalist I like but his whole thing about Clinton and Henry Kissinger. Personally, I think Kissinger is one of the most negative forces in international relations that we’ve had in our country but I also think there’s a big difference between Clinton accepting his endorsement and actually bringing him on to the FP team. As it stands now, he hasn’t endorsed her. I just think there’s an element of the left that wants to be disappointed and disillusioned so they can complain. We should be about working within our reality. i have no illusions. I don’t expect Clinton to fix everything that I think our society has wrong with it but I do expect her to start the training wheels and even get on the road for a lot of things. And I firmly believe as our nation’s first woman’s president, she is going to place an emphasis on women’s rights around the globe that no President before her has.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:51:04am

re: #247 Anymouse

And I want to scream: No! She is not the fascist! It’s like comparing a firecracker to a supernova and claiming “they’re both the same.”

One is someone you have approach and even some policy disagreements with. The other is someone who has a guy from Breitbart as his top campaign aide and the pig that’s been pushing racist and sexist bullshit at FNC as another. The road to progress is just that. A road.

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jeffreyw  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:51:15am

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Good morning!

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:55:19am

re: #249 HappyWarrior

One is someone you have approach and even some policy disagreements with. The other is someone who has a guy from Breitbart as his top campaign aide and the pig that’s been pushing racist and sexist bullshit at FNC as another. The road to progress is just that. A road.

Y’know? I don’t have to like Mrs. Clinton. (I do, but that is irrelevant here.) She is not running to be my best friend.

All I need to know is if she would competently and faithfully carry out the duties of the office she is running for.

I already know the answer to that with Mr. Trump. For a lot of people who support him, he does seem to be running to be their best friend.

Gaaa. Even when I was in the military, I didn’t want my supervisors to be my friend, I wanted them to be competent. (When I was a supervisor myself, I tried to do the same with my subordinates.) Fair and competent treatment was what I expected from my supervisors.

That is also what I expect from my president. I don’t expect I would agree with the President on every issue (I’m not running for the job).

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:56:02am

I dunno. I guess while some lefties would prefer to focus on how Obama didn’t “deliver” on hope and change. I prefer to look at the fact that we have a country that has legalized same sex marriage and a President that actually values the rights of all Americans rather than the previous one who used gay marriage legalization in places like San Francisco to mobilize his base to vote for him. I like the fact that we have a President that is actually economically competent. I like that while our previous President worsened our reputation around the world, this President has improved it. I’m a staunch liberal but yet I’m pragmatic too.

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BlackPearl  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:56:43am

re: #250 jeffreyw

Just add herring, beets and pickles, and you’ve got yourself a decent Labskaus!

en.wikipedia.org

Which I almost had for lunch but thought better of - one must be in a certain mood…

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 5:57:12am

re: #251 Anymouse

Y’know? I don’t have to like Mrs. Clinton. (I do, but that is irrelevant here.) She is not running to be my best friend.

All I need to know is if she would competently and faithfully carry out the duties of the office she is running for.

I already know the answer to that with Mr. Trump. For a lot of people who support him, he does seem to be running to be their best friend.

Gaaa. Even when I was in the military, I didn’t want my supervisors to be my friend, I wanted them to be competent. (When I was a supervisor myself, I tried to do the same with my subordinates.) Fair and competent treatment was what I expected from my supervisors.

That is also what I expect from my president. I don’t expect I would agree with the President on every issue (I’m not running for the job).

You nailed it dude. Exactly. We don’t necessarily have to like the President personally though I do happen to like Obama and I will Clinton. But what we want is someone who we know can do the job. Trump is flat out unqualified for this job or any government job.

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:00:20am

re: #254 HappyWarrior

Most of the time, President George W. Bush could seem like a really likeable guy. I know how that turned out… .

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:02:02am
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Jenner7  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:03:58am

It’s sad this has to be pointed out in the first place.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:04:52am

re: #256 The Vicious Babushka

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I can’t believe Ailes actually thinks Trump begging black people to vote for him by telling them that everything sucks and that it can only get better by voting for him is a winning strategy. Actually, I can, Ailes is a racist fuckwad who has built an empire on that shit.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:05:46am

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha *deep breath* hahahahahahahahaha:

It wasn’t enough for Donald Trump to charge students for meaningless diplomas — now, he wants to sell meaningless spots on an imaginary corporate board, too.

The floundering GOP nominee sent out an email Thursday offering supporters the opportunity to become members of the “Trump Board of Directors” — a silly panhandling ploy for campaign cash.

“The way to win at anything — in life, in business, and in politics — is to have the best team,” the campaign email read. “So I am asking you today to help guide our team to victory as a member of the Trump Board of Directors.”

nydailynews.com

I just saw a Facebook ad for that and couldn’t believe it.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:07:08am

re: #259 Timothy Watson

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha *deep breath* hahahahahahahahaha:

nydailynews.com

I just saw a Facebook ad for that and couldn’t believe it.

Why not just go all out and tell them they too can be Trump for a day and he’ll even let Melania go with them.

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lawhawk  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:07:48am

re: #242 HappyWarrior

Exactly. Shit feels like ACORN all over again but on a global level.

I’ve been saying that - and there’s even less to this nontroversy over the Clinton Foundation than there was with ACORN.

After all, Trump, the Bushes, and others donated significant sums to the Foundation - and got nothing in return. That pretty much undermines the entire argument right there.

The right wing attacks on the Foundation have as much to do with the kind of works that the Foundation does overseas as who’s on the letterhead - Clintons.

Never mind that the Clintons don’t take any money from the foundation as salary, haven’t done anything except used their position to raise awareness and funding for fighting HIV/AIDS in Africa. And that right there is why the GOP is going nuts.

The Clintons are helping people in Africa fight HIV/AIDS (the same disease that Reagan ignored for years, and even then considered it a gay scourge and right wingers to this day think is a plague meant to wipe out gays for their evil ways). So, you get a mix of Clinton-hate and religious bigotry heaped on top of each other.

You just have to ignore that there’s nothing there.

Look, GWB and GHWB have worked with the Clintons and their health initiatives, particularly in dealing with AIDS (one of the few positive things GWB did re: foreign policy) (see here)

Of course, the nuts think that the “scam” started with Haiti aid (which was a GHWB-Clinton initiative). There’s no reasoning with fact-free nonsensical ravings.

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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:10:19am

At some point, it’s simply impossible to deny that the only way a Democrat or a liberal could ever be treated as legitimate and deserving the benefit of the doubt to the media is to not be a Democrat or a liberal.

Unless you meet that one bar, everything you do is suspect, everything you do is de facto borderline criminal and meant to hang around your neck as an albatross, and everything is seen as having an ulterior motive, because hey, you’re a fucking DEMOCRAT, you must have ulterior motives for everything because you hate God and whites and probably even the blacks too, you super-bigot.

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:12:45am

re: #261 lawhawk

There is one way to reason with them.

Defeat them in such an utter landslide in November that no amount of “poll-unskewing” will explain anything other than they are not on the right side of history.

It is a shame I live in the electoral district most likely to vote for Mr. Trump. I still try to educate voters here.

Who’d’ve thought that wearing a Gold Star Family pin was now an act of protest against a major party candidate?

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Sir John Barron  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:14:35am

re: #2 Bill and Opus for 2016!

It looks like Hillary Clinton’s speech tomorrow about Donald Trump’s ties to the ‘alternative right’ has his team members in an absolute panic. Watching Anderson Cooper on CNN right now previewing and discussing with the panel that includes two Trump high-level campaign workers has them twisting in all kind of knots. Between denying their association with white nationalism, and saying that Trump hired Steve Bannon from Brietbart for his communication skills and not for his beliefs (and claiming that he has nothing to do with the alt-right in the same breath), it’s got the rest of the panel completely dumbfounded.

Additonally, in the conversation is Trump’s failure to disavow David Duke and other neo-Nazis who have openly supported him, as well as his repeated use of images both online and in campaign rallies that originated with white nationalists.

Everything is fine….

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Sir John Barron  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:15:46am

re: #252 HappyWarrior

I dunno. I guess while some lefties would prefer to focus on how Obama didn’t “deliver” on hope and change. I prefer to look at the fact that we have a country that has legalized same sex marriage and a President that actually values the rights of all Americans rather than the previous one who used gay marriage legalization in places like San Francisco to mobilize his base to vote for him. I like the fact that we have a President that is actually economically competent. I like that while our previous President worsened our reputation around the world, this President has improved it. I’m a staunch liberal but yet I’m pragmatic too.

Yes but no pony.

/

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:16:39am
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Sir John Barron  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:17:20am

re: #236 The Vicious Babushka

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The #tgdn is the clincher for me.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:18:37am

re: #267 Sir John Barron

The #tgdn is the clincher for me.

LOL I didn’t realize people even use that hashtag any more.

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Jenner7  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:19:49am

Oh.

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lawhawk  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:20:06am

re: #248 HappyWarrior

Kissinger is one of the most polarizing foreign policy figures in US history. He took realpolitik to a whole different level, and his legacy is forever tarnished with his policies in Latin America.

But realpolitik remains one of those worldviews that drives foreign policy, and it’s undeniable that he knows the policy better than most.

You can seek out his guidance, even if it’s to do the opposite or to learn from his mistakes (and there are plenty).

Heck, my own research/studies on Kissinger, in relation to the Middle East, makes a fascinating read in how he played all the sides (including inside the Nixon Admin) against each other to get to a stalemate situation that benefited the US.

Anyone who steps in as Secretary of State is likely to rely on realpolitik as a guide at some point - even if you disagree with what Kissinger did.

What makes this election so fascinating is that so few true GOP foreign policy wonks are behind Trump, and many notables are either tacitly backing Clinton or are staying noncommited. Typically, there’s a partisan breakdown, but Trump’s FP team is so batcrap, that the experts are going with experience knowing that there’ll be continuity and regularity (which is another bedrock notion in FP), even if they don’t agree with individual decisions.

There’s a reason that administrations come and go, but foreign policy generally moves slightly over time (even with the fall of the Berlin Wall, it took time before State Dept caught up on threats/posture/policy). Trump is worse than the bull in the china shop. There’s simply no way to know what he’d do and that kind of unpredictability can’t be tolerated when you’re president - people need to rely on predictability so that policy can get carried out.

With Trump, you’re likely to get directive X on day 1, Y on day 2, Z day 3, and then something totally different days later. That’s no way to run a nation.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:20:29am

re: #269 Jenner7

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Etch A Sketch!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:20:55am

re: #269 Jenner7

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Oh.

Thanks Katrina. You basically admitted that Trump’s “shift” on immigration is bullshit. But hey Ann Coulter may be feeling better now after she gets up from her hangover.

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:22:17am

re: #272 HappyWarrior

Thanks Katrina. You basically admitted that Trump’s “shift” on immigration is bullshit. But hey Ann Coulter may be feeling better now after she gets up from her hangover.

Maybe not. What if she already pulled her new book thinking she was scammed?

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Sir John Barron  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:22:21am

re: #269 Jenner7

Oh.

I thought we were rid of Katrina. This is a discouraging setback.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:22:24am

re: #261 lawhawk

I’ve been saying that - and there’s even less to this nontroversy over the Clinton Foundation than there was with ACORN.

After all, Trump, the Bushes, and others donated significant sums to the Foundation - and got nothing in return. That pretty much undermines the entire argument right there.

The right wing attacks on the Foundation have as much to do with the kind of works that the Foundation does overseas as who’s on the letterhead - Clintons.

Never mind that the Clintons don’t take any money from the foundation as salary, haven’t done anything except used their position to raise awareness and funding for fighting HIV/AIDS in Africa. And that right there is why the GOP is going nuts.

The Clintons are helping people in Africa fight HIV/AIDS (the same disease that Reagan ignored for years, and even then considered it a gay scourge and right wingers to this day think is a plague meant to wipe out gays for their evil ways). So, you get a mix of Clinton-hate and religious bigotry heaped on top of each other.

You just have to ignore that there’s nothing there.

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Look, GWB and GHWB have worked with the Clintons and their health initiatives, particularly in dealing with AIDS (one of the few positive things GWB did re: foreign policy) (see here)

Of course, the nuts think that the “scam” started with Haiti aid (which was a GHWB-Clinton initiative). There’s no reasoning with fact-free nonsensical ravings.

It’s all about whose name is on the letterhead. It’s as you said a foundation with donors from both parties including a certain cheeto.

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Targetpractice  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:23:23am

re: #269 Jenner7

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Oh.

Right, the guy who used the very same sort of immigration proposal to bludgeon Jeb to death, the guy who clubbed “Little Marco” like a baby seal with his part in the Gang of Eight, who started his campaign by going off on Mexicans as “murderers and rapists”…has always been in support of allowing them to become legal.

Katrina, what sort of drugs are you on and where can I get some?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:23:33am

re: #273 Anymouse

Maybe not. What if she already pulled her new book thinking she was scammed?

Snark on my part. Ann Coulter be having the worst hangover of her life and I wouldn’t care. She chooses to e a bigoted bitch.

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:25:07am

re: #277 HappyWarrior

Snark on my part. Ann Coulter be having the worst hangover of her life and I wouldn’t care. She chooses to e a bigoted bitch.

Female dog libel.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:25:38am

re: #278 Anymouse

Female dog libel.

I would have said witch but that may have been hurtful to witches.

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lawhawk  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:26:54am

Wait, what?

You make a claim that a bunch of people donated to Clinton Foundation, but wont identify who they actually are to the Clinton Foundation to let them rebut.

Why? Because they still need to run down the details? Sorry, but you’re supposed to run down the details before you go to press, not after. In the AP’s rush to publish, facts went out the window, as did the editorial process - since they decided that they needed salacious headlines to move the story, rather than the facts that are decidedly less salacious.

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:27:20am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

I would have said witch but that may have been hurtful to witches.

I don’t believe I ever met a Wiccan nearly as hateful as Ms. Coulter.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:27:43am

re: #281 Anymouse

I don’t believe I ever met a Wiccan nearly as hateful as Ms. Coulter.

Christine O’Donnell came close. I know she’s not actually a Wiccan.

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darthstar  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:28:23am

re: #241 The Vicious Babushka

LOL

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Utah is a bellweather state…for one or two counties in Colorado and a neighborhood in Northern California.

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Targetpractice  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:28:57am

re: #280 lawhawk

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Wait, what?

You make a claim that a bunch of people donated to Clinton Foundation, but wont identify who they actually are to the Clinton Foundation to let them rebut.

Why? Because they still need to run down the details? Sorry, but you’re supposed to run down the details before you go to press, not after. In the AP’s rush to publish, facts went out the window, as did the editorial process - since they decided that they needed salacious headlines to move the story, rather than the facts that are decidedly less salacious.

One of the hallmarks of a Clinton “scandal” is the allegations come first, the fact-checking comes later, and the mea culpas never get the sort of coverage that the allegations received.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:28:58am

re: #280 lawhawk

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Wait, what?

You make a claim that a bunch of people donated to Clinton Foundation, but wont identify who they actually are to the Clinton Foundation to let them rebut.

Why? Because they still need to run down the details? Sorry, but you’re supposed to run down the details before you go to press, not after. In the AP’s rush to publish, facts went out the window, as did the editorial process - since they decided that they needed salacious headlines to move the story, rather than the facts that are decidedly less salacious.

So…the same people who bitch about Clinton not holding press conferences or talking to the press won’t answer basic questions about something they wrote.

It’s official, irony is dead.

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:29:13am

re: #280 lawhawk

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Wait, what?

You make a claim that a bunch of people donated to Clinton Foundation, but wont identify who they actually are to the Clinton Foundation to let them rebut.

Why? Because they still need to run down the details? Sorry, but you’re supposed to run down the details before you go to press, not after. In the AP’s rush to publish, facts went out the window, as did the editorial process - since they decided that they needed salacious headlines to move the story, rather than the facts that are decidedly less salacious.

Gotta have a horserace. Since Mr. Trump is so over-the-top, anything, anything to make the race look more balanced.

And wingnuts complain of a liberal media. If we actually had a liberal media, it would be screaming “fascist” from every headline.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:30:29am

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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:30:53am

re: #284 Targetpractice

One of the hallmarks of a Clinton “scandal” is the allegations come first, the fact-checking comes later, and the mea culpas never get the sort of coverage that the allegations received.

The other hallmark being that no matter what comes out, it must be proof that the scandal is true and any insistence otherwise means you’re a criminally enabling shill.

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Jayleia  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:33:41am

re: #227 Anymouse

And better looking, I mean, she has a chin you could cut glass with…Trump? Not so much.

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lawhawk  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:33:57am

Russian hackers are playing games with the materials they stole - including editing them to try and get specific outcomes.

This is yet another reason to not trust any of the data releases coming out of Wikileaks - they’re manipulating leaks so as to interfere in the US electoral process, and they are relying on fact that most people read headlines - not the underlying stories, or that the issues are debunked weeks later.

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Targetpractice  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:35:17am

re: #288 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

The other hallmark being that no matter what comes out, it must be proof that the scandal is true and any insistence otherwise means you’re a criminally enabling shill.

Ayep, once the allegations are made, any denial and fact-checking is treated as proof of guilt, because only a guilty person would deny the charges. An innocent person would not even address the charges. But, of course, silence is also evidence of guilt because a guilty person always tries to avoid questions about their guilt.

So goes the proceedings in the Court of Public Opinion.

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:35:37am

re: #289 Jayleia

And better looking, I mean, she has a chin you could cut glass with…Trump? Not so much.

Well, Dr. Stein is not the sort I am attracted to. Wingnut lite sprinkled with moonbat leaves an awful aftertaste.

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lawhawk  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:35:41am

re: #269 Jenner7

There’s the video.

Trump uses the best word (salad).

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Targetpractice  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:36:43am

re: #293 lawhawk

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Trump uses the best word (salad).

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Katrina Pierson is the answer to the question nobody asked: “Is it possible to find someone even more clueless than Sarah Palin?”

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Belafon  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:38:09am
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:38:15am

re: #293 lawhawk

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sagehen  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:40:05am

re: #240 Anymouse

Moreover, the Clinton foundation has saved or spared tens of millions of lives providing such things as medications to those who cannot afford them.

Those arguing (like the self-righteous Atlantic magazine) that the foundation “should be shut down” if when Mrs. Clinton gets elected are arguing to throw all those the foundation helps under a bus.

Morning Joe tried to square the circle by suggesting that these very effective, very useful projects should be spun off and handed over to other charities. Like all those AIDS patients getting their meds from CF, just hand the program to the AIDS Foundation (which, y’know, could’ve started such a program themselves but didn’t). Or some girls education thing that CF does, just hand it over to the Gates Foundation to let them do it instead (never mind that the Gates Foundation has their own programs, and they’ve coordinated with CF to not step on each other’s toes and in some countries there’s people who use both).

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:40:30am

re: #294 Targetpractice

Katrina Pierson is the answer to the question nobody asked: “Is it possible to find someone even more clueless than Sarah Palin?”

Katrina has One Job, and that is Defend Trump No Matter What.

That is the One Job that all his campaign staff has. They are selected specifically because they lack the filter most normal people have of Not Saying Ridiculous Shit That Makes Me Look Stupid.

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:41:27am

re: #298 The Vicious Babushka

Katrina has One Job, and that is Defend Trump No Matter What.

That is the One Job that all his campaign staff has. They are selected specifically because they lack the filter most normal people have of Not Saying Ridiculous Shit That Makes Me Look Stupid.

Needs moar bulletz.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:42:43am

Baby Whiplash showing why he is not allowed to board the Trump Train==>

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:43:30am

Li’l Whiplash CAN’T STAND IT that Vox Day is lumping him together with THOSE LEFTISTS!!!!!

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lawhawk  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:43:50am

re: #294 Targetpractice

Katrina Pierson is the answer to the question nobody asked: “Is it possible to find someone even more clueless than Sarah Palin?”

She’s not clueless - she knows exactly what she’s doing - running someone else’s grift.

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:45:19am

re: #302 lawhawk

She’s not clueless - she knows exactly what she’s doing - running someone else’s grift.

I hope she got paid up front.

Then again, now that I think about it, I hope she didn’t.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:45:28am

re: #296 FormerDirtDart

I’m not stealing this car, I’m just borrowing it at gunpoint from the owner.

You may laugh, but I can tell you this - many years ago, I worked auto sales. One fine evening, a gent brought in a car he wanted to trade in. That’s all well and good…..until he couldn’t produce the registration. See, turned out it was his ex-wife’s car, not his, though they’d purchased it together while they were still married.

His rationale: “See, she wasn’t paying the note, so I took it upon myself to repossess it”.

In other words…..he stole it.

*headdesk*

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Belafon  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:47:05am

I wonder if Assange and the Russians realize their going to hurt their own effort:

Often, in war, mistakes are made. Sometimes, in Russia’s information war against the West, mistakes are made and then published for all the world to see.

That seems to be what happened when two supposedly independent hacking groups, believed by security experts to have ties to the Kremlin, posted the same documents stolen from a philanthropy run by George Soros. But the hack included a twist: Some of the documents taken by one group were altered in a bid to try and link Soros to Russian anti-corruption activist Alexei Navalny, revealing how hackers likely working for Moscow are editing documents to smear their victims.

h/t Daily Kos

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lawhawk  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:48:26am

re: #295 Belafon

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:48:42am

re: #305 Belafon

Probably not. For wingnuts, it will just be more proof of how deep the Clinton Conspiracy Machine runs, that they can even fool the Russians into posting two different versions of the same E-mail.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:48:52am

re: #304 Dr Lizardo

I’m not stealing this car, I’m just borrowing it at gunpoint from the owner.

You may laugh, but I can tell you this - many years ago, I worked auto sales. One fine evening, a gent brought in a car he wanted to trade in. That’s all well and good…..until he couldn’t produce the registration. See, turned out it was his ex-wife’s car, not his, though they’d purchased it together while they were still married.

His rationale: “See, she wasn’t paying the note, so I took it upon myself to repossess it”.

In other words…..he stole it.

*headdesk*

Did the police get involved at that point?

When I was in college majoring in criminal justice, a class assignment required us to go the Virginia Court of Appeals and watch a session. Some poor public defender had to get up and argue that her client wasn’t guilty because the drugs they found in his pants weren’t his because he was wearing someone else’s pants.

I found out later from the attorney who was teaching the class that wasn’t an uncommon claim made by defendants.

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lawhawk  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:48:53am

re: #304 Dr Lizardo

It’s not stealing, it’s borrowing on a permanent basis with no intent to return.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:51:28am

re: #308 Timothy Watson

Did the police get involved at that point?

When I was in college majoring in criminal justice, a class assignment required us to go the Virginia Court of Appeals and watch a session. Some poor public defender had to get up and argue that her client wasn’t guilty because the drugs they found in his pants weren’t his because he was wearing someone else’s pants.

I found out later from the attorney who was teaching the class that wasn’t an uncommon claim made by defendants.

He left our dealership and went to a Honda dealership up the road, and at that point, yes, the police nailed him. Apparently, ours wasn’t the first dealership he’d tried that at, and the cops were actively looking for him.

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sagehen  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:53:28am

re: #260 HappyWarrior

Why not just go all out and tell them they too can be Trump for a day and he’ll even let Melania go with them.

For $35?

C’mon. She may be a whore, but she’s not a cheap whore.

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Skip Intro  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:55:06am

re: #259 Timothy Watson

If I join the board can I fire Trump?

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Timothy Watson  Aug 25, 2016 • 6:58:24am

re: #312 Skip Intro

If I join the board can I fire Trump?

I am starting to wonder if that starts to fall into some kind of false advertising. The campaign is incorporated as a non-stock corporation here in Virginia with the formal name of “Donald J. Trump for President, Inc.”.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:12:25am

This guy actually blames Obama for the “Rise of Trump” for making fun of him at the WH Correspondents Dinner in 2011==>

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Timothy Watson  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:16:02am

re: #314 The Vicious Babushka

This guy actually blames Obama for the “Rise of Trump” for making fun of him at the WH Correspondents Dinner in 2011==>

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Will The Hill publish anyone who submits an article? I’ve never heard of this guy nor the university (in Canada) where he teaches.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:18:21am
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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:20:09am

re: #314 The Vicious Babushka

This guy actually blames Obama for the “Rise of Trump” for making fun of him at the WH Correspondents Dinner in 2011==>

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If Democrats would stop mocking and calling wingnuts out for being wingnuts, then they would never be wingnuts! It’s their fault the right wing keeps going so crazy!

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:23:22am

re: #315 Timothy Watson

Will The Hill publish anyone who submits an article? I’ve never heard of this guy nor the university (in Canada) where he teaches.

I see a bunch of derp on The Hill. It does not seem to be a wingnut site, they publish derp from moonbats too.

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Belafon  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:25:01am

re: #316 FormerDirtDart

This is a Rovian attempt to attack Clinton with her strengths. She had to overqualify for the presidency because she’s a woman. Now they’ll attack her for her need to overqualify.

It should be pointed out as such, and every woman should be pissed off because of it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:25:08am

LOL

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Belafon  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:25:49am

re: #314 The Vicious Babushka

This guy actually blames Obama for the “Rise of Trump” for making fun of him at the WH Correspondents Dinner in 2011==>

Democrats didn’t vote for Trump, so it doesn’t matter how he got started.

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:26:54am

re: #320 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t need whatever he’s drinking.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:27:50am

re: #322 Anymouse

I don’t need whatever he’s drinking.

Wood-grain alcohol?

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Belafon  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:27:50am

re: #320 The Vicious Babushka

LOL

He originally had one black voter, Ben Carson, and now he has two. That’s a 100% increase.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:28:27am

re: #315 Timothy Watson

Will The Hill publish anyone who submits an article? I’ve never heard of this guy nor the university (in Canada) where he teaches.

He’s written some books on polisci, and looks like he’s trying to become some kind of pundit.

goodreads.com
tvo.org

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makeitstop  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:30:29am

re: #323 Dr Lizardo

Wood-grain alcohol?

Sterno.

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nines09  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:31:53am

re: #320 The Vicious Babushka

Decades. Excuse me. I must go run into passing traffic.

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:31:58am

re: #326 makeitstop

Sterno.

Turpentine.

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lawhawk  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:36:37am

re: #323 Dr Lizardo

Lighter fluid.

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nines09  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:37:06am

re: #326 makeitstop

Sterno.

Pink Lady (squeezed through a dirty sock Sterno) into a semi clean mayo jar, with a chaser of face meet curb, and a night of concrete pillow with an abandoned car as a blanket.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:37:57am

re: #323 Dr Lizardo

Wood-grain alcohol?

Absinthe?

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Sir John Barron  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:42:56am

re: #320 The Vicious Babushka

LOL

This is not going to end well.

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Jenner7  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:42:59am

I just sent my very first tweet.

Yay.

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:44:00am

re: #333 Jenner7

I just sent my very first tweet.

Yay.

What did it say? (I do not have a Twitter account, nor do I intend to get one.)

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:44:06am

Weird Nuts Drooly never even described Obama like this==>

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lawhawk  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:45:09am

re: #320 The Vicious Babushka

So, I got a chance to look at the poll’s cross tabs on their ethnicity breakdown.

66% white
13% black
1% American Indian
17.2% Hispanic
1% other.

According to the Census Bureau, the state’s demographics for 2015:
55.3% white
16.8% black
~1% American Indian
24.5% Hispanic

Anyone want to hazard a guess how the outcome gets skewed? If you said that the FAU poll favors Trump, gold star for you! It clearly oversampled whites, while undercounted Hispanics and Blacks - the very groups most opposed to Trump.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:46:26am

re: #336 lawhawk

So, I got a chance to look at the poll’s cross tabs on their ethnicity breakdown.

66% white
13% black
1% American Indian
17.2% Hispanic
1% other.

According to the Census Bureau, the state’s demographics for 2015:
55.3% white
16.8% black
~1% American Indian
24.5% Hispanic
1% other.

Anyone want to hazard a guess how the outcome gets skewed? If you said that the FAU poll favors Trump, gold star for you! It clearly oversampled whites, while undercounted Hispanics and Blacks - the very groups most opposed to Trump.

How many Black people did the poll actually reach? Was the number <10?

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nines09  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:47:21am
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Jenner7  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:50:24am

re: #334 Anymouse

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lawhawk  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:51:02am

re: #337 The Vicious Babushka

The number was 158. That would suggest a higher MOE for that subset; they conclude simply:

Trump is leading among white voters 49% to 33% but trails with African Americans 68% to 20% and among Hispanics 50% to 40%.

Combine the undersampling with the small sample size, and you artificially skew the outcome. You have a larger MOE, which means that instead of a MOE in the 3-4% range, it’s substantially higher. You’re looking at a MOE probably double that amount.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:52:02am

When does Hillary rip the face off of the altright losers?

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:52:30am

Phyllis Schlafly complains the Obama Administration is trying to culturally assimilate the people of Louisiana like the Borg or something by requiring FEMA info for the state’s flooding be issued in languages other than English:

wonkette.com

Wonkette notes a bill introduced by Rep. Steve King (R-bigot) would have repealed an executive order standing for many years before the Obama Administration that requires FEMA information be issued in more languages than English. That bill went down in defeat with more than sixty Republicans voting against it along with the Democrats.

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Jenner7  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:52:30am

Thought I had to put my full name on there. Going to change that.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:52:33am

re: #337 The Vicious Babushka

How many Black people did the poll actually reach? Was the number <10?

Oversampling Whites is “unskewing”.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:54:08am

re: #342 Anymouse

Phyllis Schlafly complains the Obama Administration is trying to culturally assimilate the people of Louisiana like the Borg or something by requiring FEMA info for the state’s flooding be issued in languages other than English:

wonkette.com

Wonkette notes a bill introduced by Rep. Steve King (R-bigot) would have repealed an executive order standing for many years before the Obama Administration that requires FEMA information be issued in more languages than English. That bill went down in defeat with more than sixty Republicans voting against it along with the Democrats.

It’s Louisiana. Lots of French speakers there but I don’t expect an idiot like Phyillis realize that.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:55:11am

re: #343 Jenner7

Thought I had to put my full name on there. Going to change that.

Just followed!

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Sir John Barron  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:55:36am

re: #342 Anymouse

Phyllis Schlafly complains

Wait, I think I see the problem here…..

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:55:40am

re: #345 HappyWarrior

It’s Louisiana. Lots of French speakers there but I don’t expect an idiot like Phyillis realize that.

Moreover, the state’s welcome signs (along with street name signs in many cities) are bilingual. Something something French , , ,

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Jenner7  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:56:31am

re: #346 Sir John Barron

TY!

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 7:58:39am

From the comments at the Wonkette article, a lexicon of conservative-to-English:

weeklysift.com

Example:

Illegal immigrants (or illegals). Hispanics. Usage: “the more illegals that vote, the better the Obama administration thinks it will do.”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:00:17am

re: #350 Anymouse

From the comments at the Wonkette article, a lexicon of conservative-to-English:

weeklysift.com

Example:

And yet the only docuemnted voter fraud the past few years has been by GOP party officials.But I get ti wingnuts, you’re afraid of the Hispanci voter and you should be because they’re going to be what destroys your party nationally. Maybe you shouldn’t have acted like nativist assholes and instead like decent people.

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Jenner7  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:00:23am

Yeah, about that:

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Timothy Watson  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:00:28am

re: #348 Anymouse

Moreover, the state’s welcome signs (along with street name signs in many cities) are bilingual. Something something French , , ,

And the French speakers have been there since before there was a United States.

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Skip Intro  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:00:43am

Trump fucks over everybody. About time Coulter got some of it.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:02:15am

re: #352 Jenner7

Special guests include: Dr. Carson, Sen. Sessions.

Doesn’t sound like much of an attraction but I guess to each his own.

/

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:02:18am

re: #352 Jenner7

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GOP OUTREACH TO PEOPLE WHO THEY ALREADY EMPLOY.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:02:37am

re: #355 Sir John Barron

Doesn’t sound like much of an attraction but I guess to each his own.

/

I don’t know. Maybe some of them need the sleep.

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lawhawk  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:03:00am

re: #356 HappyWarrior

GOP OUTREACH TO PEOPLE WHO THEY ALREADY EMPLOY UNDERPAY.

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Jenner7  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:03:09am

BBL. Grocery shopping. Ugh.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:03:38am

re: #354 Skip Intro

Trump fucks over everybody. About time Coulter got some of it.

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Sucks to be her. Who would have thought that Trump would be untrustworthy!

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:03:57am

re: #351 HappyWarrior

And yet the only docuemnted voter fraud the past few years has been by GOP party officials.But I get ti wingnuts, you’re afraid of the Hispanci voter and you should be because they’re going to be what destroys your party nationally. Maybe you shouldn’t have acted like nativist assholes and instead like decent people.

Funny how in deeply red states like mine, voting is just as easy as it is in Oregon (mail voting).

It is only in places where elections would be close that suddenly all sorts of ID is required, polling places are closed, voting hours are restricted, &c.

A solution to the voter ID problem they created would be a national ID card, essentially issued at birth. Wingnuts however are convinced that somehow would be the “mark of the Beast” or the government tracking them.

There is no winning against illogic.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:03:58am

re: #358 lawhawk

probably don’t pay at all honestly.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:04:42am

re: #345 HappyWarrior

It’s Louisiana. Lots of French speakers there but I don’t expect an idiot like Phyillis realize that.

Does Cajun count as French? It’s a dialect based on French the same as Yiddish is a dialect based on German.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:04:48am

re: #361 Anymouse

Funny how in deeply red states like mine, voting is just as easy as it is in Oregon (mail voting).

It is only in places where elections would be close that suddenly all sorts of ID is required, polling places are closed, voting hours are restricted, &c.

A solution to the voter ID problem they created would be a national ID card, essentially issued at birth. Wingnuts however are convinced that somehow would be the “mark of the Beast” or the government tracking them.

There is no winning against illogic.

A related cousin of that is how the GOP is all about considering splitting electoral college votes in purple states but not at all about it in places like Texas. They can’t win honestly.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:05:46am

re: #363 The Vicious Babushka

Does Cajun count as French? It’s a dialect based on French the same was Yiddish is a dialect based on German.

I’m no language professor but I would say both Cajun and Croele French count as French.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:07:13am

re: #342 Anymouse

Phyllis Schlafly complains the Obama Administration is trying to culturally assimilate the people of Louisiana like the Borg or something by requiring FEMA info for the state’s flooding be issued in languages other than English:

wonkette.com

Wonkette notes a bill introduced by Rep. Steve King (R-bigot) would have repealed an executive order standing for many years before the Obama Administration that requires FEMA information be issued in more languages than English. That bill went down in defeat with more than sixty Republicans voting against it along with the Democrats.

I’m glad Phyllis and the Eagle Fascist Forum have their eyes on the ball here in regard to the LA tragedy.

/

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Decatur Deb  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:07:44am

Good jobs and business investment numbers today, and VP Biden says to look for the closing of Guantanamo.

Thanks, Obama.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:07:48am

re: #360 HappyWarrior

Sucks to be her. Who would have thought that Trump would be untrustworthy!

Never would have imagined it.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:08:56am

re: #367 Decatur Deb

Good jobs and business investment numbers today, and VP Biden says to look for the closing of Guantanamo.

Thanks, Obama.

You should know by now that the job and business numbers are all faked.

///

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:09:21am

re: #364 HappyWarrior

A related cousin of that is how the GOP is all about considering splitting electoral college votes in purple states but not at all about it in places like Texas. They can’t win honestly.

There is some noise here in Nebraska about changing that, after President Obama won an electoral vote in NE-2 and it looks like Hillary Clinton will win that district again (and NE-1 is moving closer to a toss-up status).

You would think you couldn’t gerrymander a state with only three districts, but they managed to do it: Mine (NE-3, the rural part) has so many people in it that there are twice as many voters as each of the other two districts. If Mrs. Clinton won both NE-1 and NE-2 but lost NE-3, she would get two electoral votes and Mr. Trump would get three.

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:14:57am

Ann Coulter, launching her book “In Trump We Trust” at Steve Bannon’s house was blindsided by Trump’s apparent flip flop on immigration.

huffingtonpost.com;

HuffPo has a whole string of tweets pillorying Ann Coulter for being blindsided - they are a hoot.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:16:22am

re: #371 Anymouse

Ann Coulter, launching her book “In Trump We Trust” at Steve Bannon’s house was blindsided by Trump’s apparent flip flop on immigration.

huffingtonpost.com;

HuffPo has a whole string of tweets pillorying Ann Coulter for being blindsided - they are a hoot.

I can’t look at the cover of her book without laughing. “In Trump We Trust”? But the Obama was the “Messiah” you betcha.

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Bubblehead II  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:17:55am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

I would have said witch but that may have been hurtful to witches.

The more modern term is Broom Pilot. :-}

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:18:17am

re: #372 Timothy Watson

I can’t look at the cover of her book without laughing. “In Trump We Trust”? But the Obama was the “Messiah” you betcha.

We’re talking about the woman who called Trump’s FP speech the best speech on since Washington. Now, personally I’m convinced that a lot of what Coulter does is an act but if she’s trying to seriously tell her readership that the left worships Obama given the way she latched on to Trump, that’s pretty damn funny. I’m glad she feels betrayed. Fuck Trump but Coulter is a nasty piece of work in hrself.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:18:31am

re: #373 Bubblehead II

The more modern term is Broom Pilot. :-}

A ha!

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lawhawk  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:20:23am

I’m shocked. Shocked that Trump lies. Where’s my pearls to clutch.

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Anymouse  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:21:11am

re: #374 HappyWarrior

We’re talking about the woman who called Trump’s FP speech the best speech on since Washington. Now, personally I’m convinced that a lot of what Coulter does is an act but if she’s trying to seriously tell her readership that the left worships Obama given the way she latched on to Trump, that’s pretty damn funny. I’m glad she feels betrayed. Fuck Trump but Coulter is a nasty piece of work in hrself.

It’s OK if You’re A Republican

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:21:18am

re: #376 lawhawk

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I’m shocked. Shocked that Trump lies. Where’s my pearls to clutch.

This isn’t even lying LH. This is Trump showing how abjectly stupid and uninformed on yet another issue.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:23:39am

re: #376 lawhawk

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:24:49am

Uh, no.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:25:51am

re: #380 The Vicious Babushka

Uh, no.

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Bernie Bro is going to Bernie Bro.

But I guess it was too hard for the Bernie supporters or his campaign to look into all these vile, evil acts of Clinton, right?

/

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:26:58am

re: #381 Timothy Watson

Bernie Bro is going to Bernie Bro.

But I guess it was too hard for the Bernie supporters or his campaign to look into all these vile, evil acts of Clinton, right?

/

I was going to ask but I take it no word from Sirota about Bernie’s decision that he’s never going to release his taxes. Guy needs to get the fuck over it as do the other Bros like him who continue to lie and claim Bernie was “robbed” despite a large number of registered Dems favoring HRC over Bernie.

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BigPapa  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:28:11am

Intercepticon Bro WTF:

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Belafon  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:29:12am

re: #381 Timothy Watson

Bernie Bro is going to Bernie Bro.

But I guess it was too hard for the Bernie supporters or his campaign to look into all these vile, evil acts of Clinton, right?

/

Sirota’s dislike of Clinton and Obama predates Sanders’ run for office. He’s one of those people who I skipped over at Daily Kos.

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BigPapa  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:32:35am

Alt-Right is just Dem trickery…. right.

Greenwald ranting today that Clinton Foundation support is laughable, it can’t be anything other than corruption because Saudis are horrible.

Intercepticons aren’t very clever.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:32:37am

re: #383 BigPapa

Intercepticon Bro WTF:

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Obscure? Breitbart is literally running Trump’s campaign. What a fucking hack just like his hero Greenwald.

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Bubblehead II  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:35:51am

re: #346 Sir John Barron

Just followed!

What handle are you using?

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Sir John Barron  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:39:04am

re: #380 The Vicious Babushka

Uh, no.

Evidence, hard evidence, raising questions….

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:39:13am

Frankly at this point, I don’t know who I find more obnoxious. The so callled progressives who would rather kneecap Clinton because she’s not perfect or the right wingers who actually want Trump’s bullshit.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:41:17am

BOOM

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:41:47am

Desperation is in the air

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lawhawk  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:42:57am

Sirota’s claiming that the pile of evidence of Clinton Foundation is the AP report?

You mean the one that somehow finds Clinton’s meeting with Grameen Bank founder is nefarious (that’s the microlender that’s empowered millions around the world). Or meetings with other people who donated to the Foundation for its charitable goals.

It’s all circular logic - base it on a report that’s incomplete at best, make unfounded exaggerations that go beyond the scope of the article - claiming that you’re just asking questions (all while demanding it be shutdown on no actual proof), and then cite the article as proof even though it doesn’t say what is claimed, and demand it be shut down even though there’s no actual evidence of ethical wrongdoing, let alone anything warranting it be shut down.

It’s a hatchet job on the Clintons, who were trying to do something good after Bill left office. Pure and simple.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:44:56am

re: #391 The Vicious Babushka

Desperation is in the air

Also, did you know Frederick Douglass was GOP?

/

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:45:27am

re: #393 Sir John Barron

So was MLK Jr.

//

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Decatur Deb  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:46:53am

re: #394 Eclectic Cyborg

So was MLK Jr.

//

And Teddy Roosevelt. For a while.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:47:22am

re: #391 The Vicious Babushka

Desperation is in the air

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That would be the same Robert Byrd who was widely respected by both parties in his lifetime and even considered by Richard Nixon for a spot on the Supreme Court and unlike this current KKK member, Byrd recanted and apologized for his membership. Meanwhile Jesse Helms while not a KKK member to anyone’s knowledge died an unrepentant racist piece of shit.

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BigPapa  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:47:31am

Sen Byrd, who quit the KKK and spoke publicly about his regrets joining the KKK. That Sen Byrd?

In 1997, Byrd told an interviewer he would encourage young people to become involved in politics but also warned, “Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don’t get that albatross around your neck. Once you’ve made that mistake, you inhibit your operations in the political arena.”[22] In his last autobiography, Byrd explained that he was a KKK member because he “was sorely afflicted with tunnel vision — a jejune and immature outlook — seeing only what I wanted to see because I thought the Klan could provide an outlet for my talents and ambitions.”[23] Byrd also said, in 2005, “I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times … and I don’t mind apologizing over and over again. I can’t erase what happened.”[13]

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BigPapa  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:48:02am

re: #394 Eclectic Cyborg

So was MLK Jr.

//

He was Alt-Right!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:48:12am

re: #393 Sir John Barron

Also, did you know Frederick Douglass was GOP?

/

Hey did you know that the founders of the NAACP were Republicans, students of Howard University. // Sorry got this Rand Paul bug in my head today. I’ll see a doctor not named Stein or Paul about it.

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lawhawk  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:49:28am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:49:29am

re: #397 BigPapa

Sen Byrd, who quit the KKK and spoke publicly about his regrets joining the KKK. That Sen Byrd?

Although Byrd was former KKK and a former Kleagle unlike Thurmond and Helms, he showed genuine regret for his past in a way that GOP icons like Helms and Thurmond never did. It’s true. Byrd for much of his early career was a racist asshole. But it’s also true that Byrd expressed regret for his past in a way that few supporters of segregation did.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:49:40am

re: #393 Sir John Barron

Also, did you know Frederick Douglass was GOP?

/

HARRIET TUBMAN WAS GOP & ALSO A GUN LOVER!!!!!! PWN3D LIBTARDS

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Sir John Barron  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:50:21am

re: #397 BigPapa

Sen Byrd, who quit the KKK and spoke publicly about his regrets joining the KKK. That Sen Byrd?

Yes, that one.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:50:38am

re: #401 HappyWarrior

Although Byrd was former KKK and a former Kleagle unlike Thurmond and Helms, he showed genuine regret for his past in a way that GOP icons like Helms and Thurmond never did. It’s true. Byrd for much of his early career was a racist asshole. But it’s also true that Byrd expressed regret for his past in a way that few supporters of segregation did.

NO WHATEVER SPLIT SECOND OF TIME WE SELECT IS WHAT YOU ARE FOREVER ALWAYS!!!!!!

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:51:23am

But Baby Whiplash gets butthurt when someone quotes A Thing he said 10 years ago

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:51:45am

Hugo Black was former KKK too and ended up voting against Jim Crow on the USSC rime and time again.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:51:59am

re: #398 BigPapa

He was Alt-Right!

The kids are alt-right:

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gwangung  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:52:00am

re: #403 Sir John Barron

Yes, that one.

The one that showed repentance, and backed it up with good works.

Like a Christian, eh?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:52:05am

re: #404 The Vicious Babushka

NO WHATEVER SPLIT SECOND OF TIME WE SELECT IS WHAT YOU ARE FOREVER ALWAYS!!!!!!

Unless you’re a Republican and you can “pivot” within minutes.

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BigPapa  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:52:32am

re: #404 The Vicious Babushka

NO WHATEVER SPLIT SECOND OF TIME WE SELECT IS WHAT YOU ARE FOREVER ALWAYS!!!!!!

DEMS STARTED KKK BECUZ 1864!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:53:56am

re: #405 The Vicious Babushka

But Baby Whiplash gets butthurt when someone quotes A Thing he said 10 years ago

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He’s an idiot. He doesn’t deserve the Antisemitism that the Trumpers throw at him but he does deserve to be seen as a hateful little weasel who spends his day raging at “leftists” from his right wing safe zone.

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iossarian  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:53:56am

re: #405 The Vicious Babushka

But Baby Whiplash gets butthurt when someone quotes A Thing he said 10 years ago

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Note that he doesn’t even have the stones to come out and explicitly say that his call for Palestinians to be expelled from Israel was heinous and shitty.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:54:06am

But not Robert Byrd.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:55:11am

re: #413 The Vicious Babushka

But not Robert Byrd.

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And yet he won’t shut up about Saul Alinsky (who really wasn’t a bad guy anyhow) in regards to POTUS and HRC.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:56:39am

Hillary is not going to drop out of the debates, Li’l Whipsies. Trump will drop out first.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:57:17am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:58:49am

re: #415 The Vicious Babushka

Hillary is not going to drop out of the debates, Li’l Whipsies. Trump will drop out first.

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His relationship with reality is skewed again. Pointing out the alt-right isn’t HRC trying to get out of the debate, it’s her pointign out Trump’s ties to the people that you profess to hate Ben. But I get it, you don’t really hate Trump, you’re butthurt because you got a taset of the hatred you’ve thrown at “leftists” for years.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 8:59:45am

re: #416 FormerDirtDart

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Howie Hawkins? Does Stein have a different running mate for a different states? Again shows why her party shouldn’t be trusted with any sort of power that they can’t even get an unified ballot.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:00:02am

re: #415 The Vicious Babushka

Writing now about the possibility that Hillary’s alt-right line of attack is preparation for her pulling out of the debates.
— Ben Shapiro

Yeah, that’s an easy connection to make. Makes total sense.

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Belafon  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:00:23am

re: #415 The Vicious Babushka

Hillary is not going to drop out of the debates, Li’l Whipsies. Trump will drop out first.

Day of debate:
“See, Ben, she was going to do them all along.”
“Well, the only reason she stayed in is because I outed her.”

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BigPapa  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:00:55am

#AltRightMeans is a war zone of derpulage. You poke it with a stick and a bunch of gross semi liquid goo oozes out.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:01:02am

re: #416 FormerDirtDart

Minnesota GOP descends into ‘total confusion’ after Trump left off state ballot rawstory.com pic.twitter.com
— Raw Story

Minnesota GOP, clean-up on aisle 3.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:02:28am

I have to ask, who the hell is Rocky de la Fuente?

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lawhawk  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:03:01am

re: #416 FormerDirtDart

Obama’s fault. Clinton conspiracy. Film at 11 - Alex Jones/Infowars.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:03:53am

re: #423 The Vicious Babushka

I have to ask, who the hell is Rocky de la Fuente?

en.wikipedia.org
Not really a ton here about his stances on the issues unfortunately.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:04:19am

You know, I’m starting to perceive that if the Clinton Foundation was any kind of a scam, it was a scam to get rich people to pay big bucks for access they didn’t get, then funnel that money into doing a whole lot of actual good in the world.

That’s pretty much the opposite of a scandal.

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lawhawk  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:05:18am

re: #416 FormerDirtDart

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Timothy Watson  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:06:02am

re: #427 lawhawk

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Damn you, there goes my schadenfreude for today!

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Nyet  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:06:57am

re: #227 Anymouse

Considering the racist Holocaust denier that Dr. Stein has for a VP pick, and her own positions, I put her more in the wingnut right wing neo-Nazi camp myself.

She is not much more than a poorer, but better polished version of Donald Trump.

Her VP is not a Holocaust denier and Stein can hardly be called right-wing, she’s in fact pretty typical for the far-left. Well, nobody promised that everyone on the left is nice.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:07:02am

splcenter.org
From our allies at the SPLC about the Alt Right.
Money quote from one of the Alt-righties and this one really hits home to me because of my brother, sil, and niece.
“Those who promote miscegenation, usury, or any other forms of racial suicide should be sent to re-education centers, not tolerated.”

—Matthew Heimbach, “I Hate Freedom,” Traditionalist Youth Network, July 7, 2013
Fortunately, we don’t live in fuckwad Heimbach’s world.

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jaunte  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:07:52am

“…Spender also denies that Trump or his new campaign chairman, Steven Bannon, are tied to the alt-right, writing that while he has “has written favorably about both Trump and [Bannon’s news agency] Breitbart, he has consistently emphasized they are not exactly the Alt Right.”

Bannon, for his part, feels differently: He said as recently as July that Breitbart under his leadership was “the platform for the alt-right.”

Now of course they’re going to get into fights about who’s the alt-rightest of them all.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:07:52am

re: #425 HappyWarrior

en.wikipedia.org
Not really a ton here about his stances on the issues unfortunately.

He was on the ballot for the Democratic primary.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:07:53am

re: #429 Nyet

Her VP is not a Holocaust denier and Stein can hardly be called right-wing, she’s in fact pretty typical for the far-left. Well, nobody promised that everyone on the left is nice.

She’s more like how the far left/far right have some weird intersections going.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:08:45am

re: #432 The Vicious Babushka

He was on the ballot for the Democratic primary.

Yeah I see that. There’s candidates like him every cycle. There was that one Republican guy. I forget his name. Dennis something.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:08:57am

re: #427 lawhawk

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Belafon  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:10:05am

re: #431 jaunte

Now of course they’re going to get into fights about who’s the alt-rightest of them all.

Let them. It’ll becoming more and more obvious which party contains these people.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:10:32am

re: #431 jaunte

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Now of course they’re going to get into fights about who’s the alt-rightest of them all.

These people think my family is “anti-white” since my niece is and in laws are part indigenous Peruvian. Of course, 100 years ago, they were telling my great grandfather he wasn’t really “white” because he was Slavic and not an Anglo-Saxon Protestant. I am who I am. A proud mutt of many backgrounds with a half Peruvian niece.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:11:59am

re: #431 jaunte

Now of course they’re going to get into fights about who’s the alt-rightest of them all.

AP: Well, when Bannon said under his leadership Breitbart was a platform for the alt-right what he really meant was….

/

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Nyet  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:13:15am

re: #433 HappyWarrior

Some people just don’t want to accept that there are bad guys in their group.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:13:26am

re: #431 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Now of course they’re going to get into fights about who’s the alt-rightest of them all.

The inevitable outcome:

Monty Python’s Life Of Brian @ PFJ Meeting: “Splitter!”

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:15:37am

The Green & Libertarian parties should really have a bunch of lawyers racing to Minnesota right now

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Belafon  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:15:58am

re: #439 Nyet

Some people just don’t want to accept that there are bad guys in their group.

One of the things we notice over and over, and Stein and some Sanders supporters fit, is that the far left and far right will claim the same thing, even if they use slightly different reasoning to get there. In other words, the spectrum is more of a circle than a line.

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Belafon  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:16:35am

re: #441 FormerDirtDart

The Green & Libertarian parties should really have a bunch of lawyers racing to Minnesota right now

I don’t see Clinton doing it, there’s no need, but some other groups could have some “fun” with it.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:18:05am

re: #431 jaunte

Now of course they’re going to get into fights about who’s the alt-rightest of them all.

Hillary is being divisive!!!!!!!!!11

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:20:09am

re: #443 Belafon

I don’t see Clinton doing it, there’s no need, but some other groups could have some “fun” with it.

Thus I didn’t add the Democratic Party.
Clinton should take Mn. The Green’s and Libt’s could get a lot of national notoriety out of taking second.

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ObserverArt  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:20:18am

Hey all!

A little excitement in this old neighborhood this morning. A fire broke out in a house on a street that runs at a 90° angle from my street in back of my house. I didn’t hear the firetrucks but I heard some noise and it was the rumble of the trucks engine as it pumped water. It was put out fairly quickly.

I kind of wonder if it was somehow associated with the huge thunderstorm that hit here in Columbus about 1:30 am or so. Some of the lightening strikes seemed awful close as there was no time between the flash and the cracking sound. Maybe it hit the house and just smoldered a bit before it actually caught a noticeable fire. Maybe the occupants saw some smoke and called the fire department to check so they didn’t come blazing sirens blaring. Then who knows, it might have gotten exposed to some air and then lit up. It was put out fairly quickly.

I guess there were a few lightening related fires in the Columbus area. That was sure an intense half-hour and a huge downpour.

By the way…did I read a tweet above where the tweeter said ” that time when Ann Coulter realizes her new book is irrelevant?”

I thought all of Coulter’s books were irrelevant, it does not matter if it is before during or after their launch.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:21:46am

re: #439 Nyet

Some people just don’t want to accept that there are bad guys in their group.

I do get his frustration since Stein definitely does a lot of unliberal things but you’re right that it doesn’t change that she’s far left.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:23:09am

re: #442 Belafon

One of the things we notice over and over, and Stein and some Sanders supporters fit, is that the far left and far right will claim the same thing, even if they use slightly different reasoning to get there. In other words, the spectrum is more of a circle than a line.

The far left wants to present all capitalism in a state where it needs to be destroyed and replaced with socialism, the far right wants what the far left sees capitalism as. I think Romantic Heretic has compared the modern right to Bolsheviks with some legitimacy in that sense.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:23:13am

re: #282 HappyWarrior

Christine O’Donnell came close. I know she’s not actually a Wiccan.

Yeah, she just goes to the ceremonies.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:23:22am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:24:45am

re: #450 FormerDirtDart

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End of an era if they leave Oakland though granted they were in LA in the 80’s. Honestly, I think it’s about time that Vegas got a team. Las Vegas Raiders will take some time getting used to though like Los Angeles Dodgers did I’m sure though. Sucks for the Oakland fans though. They’ve always been a loyal bunch through a lot of tough times.

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ObserverArt  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:25:48am

re: #380 The Vicious Babushka

Uh, no.

[Embedded content]

Chris Hayes had Little Davie Sirota on Tuesday night crying about the Clinton Foundation. He obviously does not like Clinton (what true Bernie Bot would). He was talking over the other guy that was calling him out and was still yakking when Hayes said he had to take a break and went to commercial.

Damn he is hard to take. He is so into himself.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:26:48am

re: #452 ObserverArt

Chris Hayes had Little Davie Sirota on Tuesday night crying about the Clinton Foundation. He obviously does not like Clinton (what true Bernie Bot would). He was talking over the other guy that was calling him out and was still yakking when Hayes said he had to take a break and went to commercial.

Damn he is hard to take. He is so into himself.

Was Glenn Greenwald there, since David’s lip is glued to Glenn’s butt cheek.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:27:03am

re: #452 ObserverArt

Chris Hayes had Little Davie Sirota on Tuesday night crying about the Clinton Foundation. He obviously does not like Clinton (what true Bernie Bot would). He was talking over the other guy that was calling him out and was still yakking when Hayes said he had to take a break and went to commercial.

Damn he is hard to take. He is so into himself.

I’ve never been that big on journalists that make themselves and especially their ego part of the story. I mean granted I won’t claim to be a great or even good college sports writer but I never really let my ego get in the way when I interviewed athletes and coaches.

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ObserverArt  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:31:01am

re: #400 lawhawk

Jenny Vasquez @JennVasquez_DC
Here it is! @NatlParkService logo formed w/umbrellas held by 1K+ people on the Nat’l Mall! Happy bday #FindYourPark
11:48 AM - 25 Aug 2016
31 31 Retweets 49 49 likes

Let’s hope their is 100 more years to celebrate the Park Service.

But it may be tough with the GOP wanting to do the small government thing and sell off the lands to who knows who for whatever.

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Nyet  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:32:19am

re: #447 HappyWarrior

No surprise there, as often the far-left despises liberals.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:32:20am

Automatic Blocking Function triggered

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ObserverArt  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:32:51am

re: #407 Decatur Deb

The kids are alt-right:

[Embedded content]

Imma always good for a Who reference upding or two.

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iossarian  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:36:14am

re: #455 ObserverArt

Let’s hope their is 100 more years to celebrate the Park Service.

But it may be tough with the GOP wanting to do the small government thing and sell off the lands to who knows who for whatever.

I’ve been sort-of tracking the right wing’s attempt to somehow discredit the fact that the Feds control large swathes of land in the various western states, in the wake of the Oregon debacle and other “legitimate ranching” controversies.

It seems obvious that if private entities want to exploit those lands, they need to come up with some kind of fair asking price for the Feds to consider. I mean, if you’re someone who believes in the whole notion of private ownership and so on.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:37:04am

re: #456 Nyet

No surprise there, as often the far-left despises liberals.

Yeah, the KPD calling the SPD the “Social Fascists” in the rise of the NSDAP and the Bolsheviks hostility towards the Menshivkings and liberals in your own country for example.

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Belafon  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:38:07am

The thing about Stein is that I’m not sure she’s out left. She’s off in Stein territory obviously, but that seems to be about as fixed as we can get. I mean, wherever she is, Sanders wouldn’t give her any attention.

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ObserverArt  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:38:39am

re: #442 Belafon

One of the things we notice over and over, and Stein and some Sanders supporters fit, is that the far left and far right will claim the same thing, even if they use slightly different reasoning to get there. In other words, the spectrum is more of a circle than a line.

Gus summed it up quite well with his graphic…

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ObserverArt  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:41:14am

re: #453 The Vicious Babushka

Was Glenn Greenwald there, since David’s lip is glued to Glenn’s butt cheek.

No thankfully. That would have been instant revulsion and changing the channel. I don’t do Glenn Greenwald. He makes me nauseous.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:42:01am

HAHAHAHA

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:42:27am

I forget who it was but someone, I think a President said you can tell alot about extremists in how they view their opponents. Honestly? I’ll admit it. I dislike wingnuts. I think they’re hateful people but I concede we share a country and we’re often going to be neighbors, coworkers, or in a couple cases for me even friends! A lot on the far left/right see those they disagree with as enemies, as somehow not really being American(or whatever their shared group is), etc.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:43:25am

re: #464 The Vicious Babushka

HAHAHAHA

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COULTER IS A CUCK. //

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Timothy Watson  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:43:56am

re: #464 The Vicious Babushka

HAHAHAHA

[Embedded content]

She must already be three-sheets to the wind.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:44:26am

re: #467 Timothy Watson

She must already be three-sheets to the wind.

On her fifth vodka tonic.

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ObserverArt  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:48:56am

I have only been watching about one or two shows in the evening dealing with politics. I ran into a brick wall about two weeks ago with all the craziness of the coverage.

You know what is sad? An election should bring out the best of our nation. Sure, there will be hard debate but it should be purposeful.

I guess ever since Bill Clinton and FOX News sort of came about together it has been a steady decline in positivity and negativity is all it has become.

What a mess. I used to look forward to the season. Now, I hope to get past it.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:52:00am

re: #464 The Vicious Babushka

HAHAHAHA

Gosh, all that fire and brimstone for years about how Dems were allowing the unwashed hordes to sweep over our fair land and now, whatevs.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:53:07am

re: #457 The Vicious Babushka

Automatic Blocking Function triggered

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The Benghazi twibbon is the key, but misspelling Christian (Christen) also deserves merit.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:53:17am

“…According to U.S. Uncut, outrage over Mylan’s decision to jack up the price of the EpiPen has spooked shareholders, whose departures have reduced the value of Mylan stock by 12.4 percent. On August 19, Mylan stocks went from $49.20 per share to $43.11 on August 24, a net loss of nearly $3 billion for the company…”

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:53:57am

re: #471 Sir John Barron

The Benghazi twibbon is the key, but misspelling Christian (Christen) also deserves merit.

I used to know a guy named Christen. He was a Buddhist.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:55:19am

Wingnuts are freaking out already

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Sir John Barron  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:55:56am

re: #464 The Vicious Babushka

Ann Coulter: Maybe it’s “in our interest” to let some illegal immigrants stay washingtonexaminer.com pic.twitter.com
— Washington Examiner

Amnesty!!!! Amnesty!!! Don’t Tread on Me!!!

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Belafon  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:56:28am

re: #469 ObserverArt

I have only been watching about one or two shows in the evening dealing with politics. I ran into a brick wall about two weeks ago with all the craziness of the coverage.

You know what is sad? An election should bring out the best of our nation. Sure, there will be hard debate but it should be purposeful.

I guess ever since Bill Clinton and FOX News sort of came about together it has been a steady decline in positivity and negativity is all it has become.

What a mess. I used to look forward to the season. Now, I hope to get past it.

A lot of our elections have been nasty. What’s happening right now, though, is a party is losing power, and should have been sent to the wilderness a few elections ago. The two things saving it are that the constitution grants a bit more power to the conservative side (it’s easier to obstruct change than to make it happen), and they have an entire propaganda channel.

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Skip Intro  Aug 25, 2016 • 9:57:56am

re: #464 The Vicious Babushka

HAHAHAHA

[Embedded content]

Is she really this stupid?

“We’re getting a wall. We’re definitely getting a wall. That’s the one thing we know about a Trump presidency.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 25, 2016 • 10:01:45am

A rare picture of Trump with Hat Hair

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sagehen  Aug 25, 2016 • 10:08:27am

re: #451 HappyWarrior

End of an era if they leave Oakland though granted they were in LA in the 80’s. Honestly, I think it’s about time that Vegas got a team. Las Vegas Raiders will take some time getting used to though like Los Angeles Dodgers did I’m sure though. Sucks for the Oakland fans though. They’ve always been a loyal bunch through a lot of tough times.

On the other hand… that is the perfect mascot for a city like LV. (I’m pretty sure somebody would complain if it were the Las Vegas Mafiosi).

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makeitstop  Aug 25, 2016 • 10:09:08am

re: #475 Sir John Barron

Amnesty!!!! Amnesty!!! Don’t Tread on Me!!!

LOL
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Romantic Heretic  Aug 25, 2016 • 10:47:50am

re: #448 HappyWarrior

I have, and just for that reason.

Modern ‘conservatism’ agrees with Marx on how capitalism works. They agree that capitalism will seek profits and power before all else. They agree that this will lead to a class war.

The difference is that ‘conservatives’ regard the power chase as a good thing and they believe the class war will be won by the bourgeoisie, not the proletariat. These are minor differences.

Since these things will destroy society as we know it, it makes modern ‘conservatives’ revolutionaries because a revolution’s goal is always complete destruction of the existing system.

So, Marxist beliefs plus revolutionary intent makes modern ‘conservatives’ nearest historical analog the Bolsheviks.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 25, 2016 • 10:52:14am

re: #481 Romantic Heretic

I have, and just for that reason.

Modern ‘conservatism’ agrees with Marx on how capitalism works. They agree that capitalism will seek profits and power before all else. They agree that this will lead to a class war.

The difference is that ‘conservatives’ regard the power chase as a good thing and they believe the class war will be won by the bourgeoisie, not the proletariat. These are minor differences.

Since these things will destroy society as we know it, it makes modern ‘conservatives’ revolutionaries because a revolution’s goal is always complete destruction of the existing system.

So, Marxist beliefs plus revolutionary intent makes modern ‘conservatives’ nearest historical analog the Bolsheviks.

Glad I was understanding you correctly.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 25, 2016 • 10:56:07am

re: #482 HappyWarrior

This is one of the reasons I like LGF so much.

Most places on the Net, if I said that, I’d be screamed at by both sides. We’re not alike!

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Nyet  Aug 25, 2016 • 12:47:47pm

re: #462 ObserverArt

Which is not quite correct since in the graphic the centrists are the opposite of the Derp, whereas in reality there is lots of centrist derp.


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