IBEW Investigates Trump’s Union Claims

via The Electrical Worker Online
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The Backwoods family is lifelong union and we are very proud members of International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW).

MrBWS is a journeyman outdoor lineman who works 50 hours a week maintaining and upgrading the electrical grid. When storms hit, he and his fellow linemen are the ones who show up ASAP to turn your lights back on, often working 16 hour shifts in horrendous weather conditions.

Yes, they get paid well and they should. And we do not apologize for being highly trained at what we do.

So, when Donald Trump makes outrageous statements about how he will protect the miners and the steelworkers and the autoworkers, that most definitely deserves fact checking of the highest order.

IBEW meticulously prepared an investigative report as to how Donald Trump has historically dealt with IBEW.

At the height of the real estate boom in 2005, Donald Trump announced a colossus would rise in central New Orleans. The 70-story Trump Tower would be the tallest building on the Gulf Coast outside of Houston and the highest point in the state of Louisiana.

The development ultimately failed. But before it did, New York City Local 3 Business Manager Chris Erikson hosted a meeting in Donald Trump’s office to talk about the job. In Manhattan, Trump’s home and the site of many of his developments, the building trades are strong and nearly every steel beam and electrical wire was put in place by union hands.

Former Local 3 business representative Austin McCann — who was the shop steward on the original Trump Tower — arranged the meeting with Trump, not for Erikson, but for New Orleans Local 130 Business Manager Robert “Tiger” Hammond.

“We were pitching Trump on using the same union in New Orleans that he has been using for decades in New York City,” Hammond said. “I went with good intentions and thought we had an honest chance.”

Trump, Erikson, McCann and Hammond met in the executive suite of the Trump Tower on Fifth Avenue, and Hammond made his pitch. Local 130 did all the work on Harrah’s $1.6 billion casino on the waterfront and does every electrical job in the city over $1 million. He had a stack of letters from customers saying Local 130 did its work on time and on budget. Would Trump consider a project labor agreement?

Trump’s response: Why me?

“He said ‘There are 10 projects on that block. Why do I have to be union? Why are you picking on me?’” Hammond said.

Trump, Hammond said, thought unions only did 10 percent of jobs in New Orleans.

“I told him that was a myth and a fallacy and I asked him to talk to our customers,” Hammond said. “Then Trump says it isn’t his job, it is his son’s and he turns to Erikson and said, ‘You know I work union.’”

“It looks like you work union when you have to, but when you don’t, you don’t,” Erikson said.

Trump’s son, Donald Jr., was called into the meeting and said he would ask the general contractor to look into it. The meeting was over.

“I am glad Chris said what he did — what I was thinking and couldn’t say,” Hammond said. “We expected more. He pawned me off on his son and we left with a bad feeling.”

Trump reportedly took 175 condominium deposits on the property before Hurricane Katrina in 2005 and the real estate collapse and recession of 2008. In 2011 — six years after the meeting in Trump Tower — the lot was foreclosed on and sold to a parking lot company.

Hammond never heard back from Trump, his son or the general contractor in charge.

Trump calls in Donald Jr. to deal with the union reps.

My shocked face…

Donald Trump developed, owns, or licenses his name to at least 45 buildings in the U.S. and Canada in the jurisdictions of 17 IBEW local unions.

A review of the Republican presidential nominee’s projects reveals that he hires union when project labor agreements or dominant market share force him to. But more than 60 percent of his projects developed outside New York City and Atlantic City — which includes most of his recent projects — were built nonunion. When you exclude developments with project labor agreements, that jumps to nearly 80 percent built nonunion.

According to thousands of lawsuits filed against him and his companies, when union contractors were hired, Trump developed a reputation for ducking the bill on some, delaying payment on others and shorting workers on overtime and even minimum wage.

The lawsuits included 60 for not paying his bills, 24 violations of the Fair Labor Standards Act3 and four corporate bankruptcies that left hundreds of contractors with dimes, nickels, even pennies on the dollar. He has been sued for hiring undocumented workers, presided over thousands of layoffs and acquired tens of millions of dollars in personal wealth while companies he owned failed. At least five of the companies he has owned have terminated health insurance for employees, ended retiree health insurance, canceled their pension plans or some combination of all three.

Like all politicians, Trump has made statements, issued campaign promises and taken positions on policies. Trump has also been clear about his support for policies that have historically led to weaker unions.

He told the South Carolina Radio Network, for example, that he is “100 percent for right-to-work”6 and in December he said right-to-work states have an “advantage” because “you have the lower wage.

Trump makes certain that when it comes to his own houses, if you want the job to be done right, you use union labor. Everything else? Go cheap.

For every union-built development outside of New York and Atlantic City, Trump built nearly two nonunion, and if there is no PLA, Trump has hired union workers once for every four projects that go nonunion.

In Florida, for example, where Trump developed, or licensed his name to eight projects, only one used IBEW signatory contractors: his palatial home and private club at Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach. Trump renovated Mar-a-Lago in 1986 soon after he bought it, and Local 728 has had the maintenance contract ever since.

“For everything he sold to other people, he went nonunion. But for his house, he went with us,” said Ft. Lauderdale, Fla., Local 728 Business Manager Dan Svetlick.

Svetlick said Trump isn’t the first Florida billionaire developer that uses nonunion everywhere but at home. Business tycoon Wayne Huizenga built three stadiums in the state when he owned the Miami Dolphins, Florida Marlins and Florida Panthers. All three jobs were nonunion, but IBEW electricians have worked on all his houses, and the houses of his children, Svetlick said.

“They want that to last,” he said.

There’s much more at the link below, but the ending is the nail:

“I can live with unions in certain locations,” Trump told the South Carolina Radio Network, “My position on unions is fine, but I like right-to-work. My position on right-to-work is 100 percent.”

In Las Vegas, after hotel workers voted to join the Culinary Workers Union and Bartenders Union, the company refused to recognize the union and demanded a federal labor board throw out the vote. Trump then hired Lupe Cruz and Associates, a union-busting consulting firm that boasts of its ability to preserve “a union-free workplace.”

His companies have applied for immigrant work visas more than 1,100 times since 2000, according to Reuters, for low-skill jobs like waitresses, cooks, vineyard workers and models.

When asked by Mika Brzezinski on MSNBC’s Morning Joe how he would make America more competitive Trump said, “We can’t have a situation where our labor is so much more expensive than other countries that we can no longer compete. One of the things I’ll do if I win, I’ll make us competitive as a country.”

“This is not complicated,” said Miami Local 349 Business Manager Bill Riley. “Trump supports policies that are most common in those places where unions are weak, and where unions are weak, he hires nonunion. Except for his own house.”

Really, read all 3,636 words (not including the footnote citations).

Workers of America should be outraged.

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457 comments
1
Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:10:16pm

wow! Thanks for the promotion, Charles!

And really, I encourage everyone to read the linked source article.
It is devastating.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:12:59pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

Congrats on the promotion. This article belongs on the front page. :)

3
Charles Johnson  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:14:30pm

This is a great page! Thanks for posting it.

4
Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:15:17pm

Excellent page for an amazing article.

I tweeted & it’s been re-tweeted. I wish I added your twitter handle so you could see the movement.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:16:13pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

This is a great page! Thanks for posting it.

Reading the article the thing that really struck me is that Donald really has no clue about anything. He depends on other people to tell him what he wants to hear, and does not want to do any of the actual work.

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:18:25pm

Apropos of I’m from a proud as hell Steelworkers Union family, how’s about a bit of John Haitt?

A Mess Of Blues - John Hiatt

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:19:52pm

Plenty of union people in my family too. My grandfather, my dad and me.

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BlueGrl21  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:24:10pm

Excellent page…well-written, clear and factual, I got so into it I stopped shopping in the grocery store to read it. It deserves a lot of eyes on it. Bravo!

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Charles Johnson  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:24:57pm
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De Kolta Chair  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:25:15pm

In case that John Hiatt link doesn’t work, here’s the original version by a legendary Texas bandito to kick your ass all the way into reality, pardon my French.

Delbert Mcclinton - A Mess Of Blues Lyrics

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:25:44pm

I don’t know if they still do it, but I remember from about 20 years ago that union electricians had one of the most stringent certification/apprenticeship programs in existence. Back then, my late father (who was an IBEW member for about 40 years) was an instructor in their program, and the curriculum was a 4-year apprenticeship before the students could gain journeyman status - and this was not easy stuff either. Significant amounts of theoretical content (think LOTS of math involved) - I would put it almost at the level of an Electrical Engineering degree, just without the calculus that EE required. Honestly, the reason they were paid more is because they flat-out earned the right to it, and personally, any high-level contractor would be insane not to have them on the job.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:26:03pm

Three years I started my current job which is unionized. I must say I appreciate the protection. Of course I also wish companies treated workers well enough that unions weren’t necessary.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:27:16pm

re: #12 Eclectic Cyborg

That is exactly why I belong to DC33 in Philly. We need the protection.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:30:51pm

re: #11 Bill and Opus for 2016!

I don’t know if they still do it, but I remember from about 20 years ago that union electricians had one of the most stringent certification/apprenticeship programs in existence. Back then, my late father (who was an IBEW member for about 40 years) was an instructor in their program, and the curriculum was a 4-year apprenticeship before the students could gain journeyman status - and this was not easy stuff either. Significant amounts of theoretical content (think LOTS of math involved) - I would put it almost at the level of an Electrical Engineering degree, just without the calculus that EE required. Honestly, the reason they were paid more is because they flat-out earned the right to it, and personally, any high-level contractor would be insane not to have them on the job.

You just don’t want your electrical, hell your foundation & everything else done by guys off the street for 10.00/hr.

That’s happening now because $$ to the top.

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austin_blue  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:30:54pm

re: #10 De Kolta Chair

In case that John Hiatt link doesn’t work, here’s the original version by a legendary Texas bandito to kick your ass all the way into reality.

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Little known fact: Delbert taught John Lennon the harmonica for the “Love Me Do” track.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:32:13pm

re: #13 PhillyPretzel

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:32:29pm

re: #11 Bill and Opus for 2016!

I don’t know if they still do it, but I remember from about 20 years ago that union electricians had one of the most stringent certification/apprenticeship programs in existence. Back then, my late father (who was an IBEW member for about 40 years) was an instructor in their program, and the curriculum was a 4-year apprenticeship before the students could gain journeyman status - and this was not easy stuff either. Significant amounts of theoretical content (think LOTS of math involved) - I would put it almost at the level of an Electrical Engineering degree, just without the calculus that EE required. Honestly, the reason they were paid more is because they flat-out earned the right to it, and personally, any high-level contractor would be insane not to have them on the job.

Yes, the apprenticeship program is still around, known now as ALBAT. On average, a three-year program and, yes, there are exams that are not easy.

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nines09  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:33:06pm

The word of Donald Trump is as worthless as he is. Trump saying he’s for the working man is as laughable as his black outreach. The man is a sociopathic grifter. My father was Union city truck driver, and I was a Union shop employee for 27 years. The reason I made what I did was because of the Union. The other shops in my nationwide company that were not had less pay and benefits. Kudos to all the rank and file out there. My wife is Union. We are Union. I never crossed a picket line in my life, and never will.

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austin_blue  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:35:01pm

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yes, the apprenticeship program is still around, known now as ALBAT. On average, a three-year program and, yes, there are exams that are not easy.

Has to be that way. Otherwise the house burns down.

Or a Trump tower some place.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:35:14pm

re: #16 Stanley Sea

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:35:40pm

The Irish contingent came, saw, ate, and went on a pub crawl.

Nathy Brennan’s pub in Sligo, one crazy arsed joint. Then again, all of Sligo is one crazy arse joint, thank Gawd. Pro tip: like any Irish pub, avoid the pasta.
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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:36:54pm

re: #20 PhillyPretzel

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:37:32pm

heh

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:40:28pm

Re: Colin Kaepernick

It’s unfortunate he is being labeled as some of kind of Enemy of the State over an incident which, in my opinion, is not a big deal.

Although I have been in the U.S. for eight years now, I am still a Canadian citizen. If I am at an event where the Pledge of Allegiance is being recited, I simply stand respectfully but remain silent. It’s not that I hate America, I just don’t feel ready to do the Pledge yet. Of course I will have to take the Pledge when I become an American citizen but that is not a requirement for me to stay in this country. I could simply renew my green card every 10 years if I chose and stay here legally.

The great thing about this country is we get to live our lives freely, regardless of whether the arena is sports, politics, religion or anything else. Just as those who love the Pledge and the national anthem have a right to belt it out at the top of their lungs so too do those who may not like them for various reasons have a right to be silent or sit it out. This does not make them traitors, it does not make them enemies, it does not make them Unamerican.

I disagree 100% percent with this messed up notion that the only true Americans are those who love Jesus, love guns, watch football, worship the ground the military walks on and fly the flag and recite the pledge every chance they get.

The freedom of America, the beautiful thing about being American is that you can forge your own path. There is no demographic for true patriotism.

Sad as it may seem, I’m curious to see how different the reaction would have been if it were a white guy that sat out the anthem.

As things stand, this is a really, really stupid thing to be getting all wound up about and it’s revealed a rather dark truth about the ugly racism rearing its head around the country these days: Every person of color has a virtual bullseye on their head.

And THAT is wrong. THAT is appalling. THAT is unamerican.

This country should be so much better than this.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:40:44pm

re: #22 Stanley Sea

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Charles Johnson  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:44:51pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:44:53pm
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De Kolta Chair  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:45:26pm

re: #24 Eclectic Cyborg

All I gotta say is good for him and that’s a shitload of ink, dude. ;-)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:48:19pm

re: #14 Stanley Sea

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:51:14pm

re: #25 PhillyPretzel

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:52:30pm

Jill Stein is in Fort Collins, and apparently heavily inhaling the local wares…

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ObserverArt  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:54:10pm

The image in this article should be Trump’s Dukakis moment.

Any talk about looking stupid and out of place in headgear needs a new entry. Actually I think this is worse…the thumbs up (cliche) arrogance. the pursed lips and the other arm up like lifting some weight is just pure bullshit.

He wouldn’t know how to use a screwdriver.

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Anymouse  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:55:24pm

re: #7 PhillyPretzel

Plenty of union people in my family too. My grandfather, my dad and me.

The only union persons in my family were my maternal grandmother (a teacher) and my maternal grandfather (an ironworker).

The rest of us were in the military. Those of us who survived it (my mother, my sister, and me) wound up in places where there are no real unions.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:57:50pm

.@realDonaldTrump says “bad people” will be gone “within one hour after I take office” cbsn.ws pic.twitter.com

yikes…

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Charles Johnson  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:57:51pm

Season 3 of The Strain starts tomorrow night. One of the best FX series going, IMO.

Not sure this jokey promo is the best way to go. Maybe they’re trying to contrast with AMC’s really creepy promos for American Horror Story 6.

Join the Strigoi Today | The Strain | FX

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 27, 2016 • 6:59:33pm

re: #33 Anymouse

That is okay. I joined DC33 because it was a tax deduction. They also provide health insurance.

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:02:10pm

I purchased a cd of the Del McCoury Band’s Woody Guthrie tribute this afternoon. Bluegrass is bad ass!

Wimmen’s Hats - The Del McCoury Band

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bratwurst  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:02:16pm

Mental illness alert:

If you have a moment and a strong stomach, click the link above for gems like:

The Trayvon Martin case had more to do with the growth of the Alt-Right than any individual event.

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Anymouse  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:02:59pm

re: #36 PhillyPretzel

That is okay. I joined DC33 because it was a tax deduction. They also provide health insurance.

Well, I have the benefit of the evul sochulist VA, as does my mother. (My sister does not, but she has employer-provided healthcare: her boss was a captain in the Marine Corps.)

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Skip Intro  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:03:06pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Just how stupid do you have to be to believe anything Trump says? A line like that should have gotten him laughed off of the stage.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:05:02pm

How amazing would it be if Hillary got J. K. Simmons, in full J Jonah get up to show up and stage and laugh hysterically after the results are in on election night?

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calochortus  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:06:09pm

re: #24 Eclectic Cyborg

People who really think the US is a superior place don’t have to enforce standing, singing, pledging or anything else. You do what you do and try to make the country an even better place. But I’m a commie atheist or something, so don’t pay attention to me ;)

I did learn something. Who knew Kaepernick was bi-racial? Well, probably a lot of people, but I barely knew he was a quarterback, so there’s that.

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Anymouse  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:06:18pm

re: #41 Skip Intro

Just how stupid do you have to be to believe anything Trump says? A line like that should have gotten him laughed off of the stage.

So is Mr. Trump going to use Philippine Presidente Duterte’s playbook?

Or is Mr. Trump planning on leaving the country himself?

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Charles Johnson  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:06:45pm
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calochortus  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:07:18pm

re: #44 Anymouse

So is Mr. Trump going to use Philippine Presidente Duterte’s playbook?

Or is Mr. Trump planning on leaving the country himself?

I’ll take the second option.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:11:18pm
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Anymouse  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:13:45pm

Khzir and Ghazala Khan to receive award.
militarytimes.com

DEARBORN, Mich. — The Muslim-American parents of a soldier who criticized Donald Trump at the Democratic National Convention are expected to visit suburban Detroit to get an award from the Arab American Civil Rights League.

Khizr Khan and wife Ghazala Khan will be honored at the group’s Fight for Justice gala in Dearborn on Sept. 29.

The article continues at Military Times.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:14:07pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

Kinda proving your point there isn’t he?

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:14:51pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

Isn’t she also behind the German attack on Pearl Harbor?

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Skip Intro  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:17:10pm

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:18:16pm

At the company I work for, the machinist side is unionized, but not the software side I work in. I’ve made the point a few times when people say something about unions about how they enjoy the benefits of union negotioations withoit having to pay for it.

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Anymouse  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:19:09pm

stripes.com

North Korea is threatening to shoot out the lights at the truce village on the border, claiming the USA and South Korea are using spotlights to harass North Korean troops on their own side of the border.

“Floodlight directed at the KPA side at random is taken as an intolerable means of provocation and it will be the target of merciless pinpoint shots,” the agency [KCNA] said.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:19:31pm

When I was in Canada, I visited a local branch of a major bank and was surprised to see a sign on the door saying they now offered full service in Arabic.

I immediately thought of the shitstorm that would follow if an American bank in say Texas tried such a thing.

I saw more hijabs and middle easterners in the past two weeks than I have in the past two years. Around this area it’s mostly white, black, some Latino, Vietnamese and some Chinese, but virtually no middle eastern. Not the case in Eastern and Southern Ontario.

You know what else I noticed? How well people got along. It wasn’t about skin color. It was just about being human. I MISS that. American needs it so badly.

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:19:47pm

re: #50 Belafon

Sometimes, typing on the phone causes me to shorten my thoights in ways that make them not come out right.

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Anymouse  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:23:05pm

re: #54 Eclectic Cyborg

When I was in Canada, I visited a local branch of a major bank and was surprised to see a sign on the door saying they now offered full service in Arabic.

I immediately thought of the shitstorm that would follow if an American bank in say Texas tried such a thing.

I saw more hijabs and middle easterners in the past two weeks than I have in the past two years. Around this area it’s mostly white, black, some Latino, Vietnamese and some Chinese, but virtually no middle eastern. Not the case in Eastern and Southern Ontario.

You know what else I noticed? How well people got along. It wasn’t about skin color. It was just about being human. I MISS that. American needs it so badly.

I saw the same in Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and Ontario. (That’s Canada, right? They use Canadian money… .)

Not only that, using my local bank ATM card at a bank in Saskatchewan, it put up a screen asking which language you wanted, with eight choices, all of which apparently give you Canadian money.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:26:18pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:26:38pm

re: #56 Anymouse

I saw the same in Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and Ontario. (That’s Canada, right? They use Canadian money… .)

Not only that, using my local bank ATM card at a bank in Saskatchewan, it put up a screen asking which language you wanted, with eight choices, all of which apparently give you Canadian money.

Yep, I saw similar where I was. Canadian money is a different experience. First you think “Oh I’m broke, I only have change.” then you realize “Hey, I have $18 in change!”. Also, I absolutely LOVE no pennies!

How were the gas prices where you were? About $3.60/gallon in Ontario for me.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:27:14pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

Barron Trump fan? Why is he a fan specifically of Trumps young son?

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Charles Johnson  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:29:57pm

re: #59 Eclectic Cyborg

Barron Trump fan? Why is he a fan specifically of Trumps young son?

Because this is not a person who’s right in the head.

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Lancelot Link  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:31:01pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

.@realDonaldTrump says “bad people” will be gone “within one hour after I take office”

What, is he going to wish them into the cornfield?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:31:04pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

Because this is not a person who’s right in the head.

Eh, point taken.

Moving on to more productive things…

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Anymouse  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:31:21pm

re: #58 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep, I saw similar where I was. Canadian money is a different experience. First you think “Oh I’m broke, I only have change.” then you realize “Hey, I have $18 in change!”. Also, I absolutely LOVE no pennies!

How were the gas prices where you were? About $3.60/gallon in Ontario for me.

About the same … Ontario was a little more expensive than Manitoba and Saskatchewan, but not by much. Glad we own a Smart car.

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Anymouse  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:33:43pm

All of a sudden, Twitter embedding is not working for me. I guess I reached my limit for today at LGF.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:34:06pm

re: #56 Anymouse

I saw the same in Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and Ontario. (That’s Canada, right? They use Canadian money… .)

Not only that, using my local bank ATM card at a bank in Saskatchewan, it put up a screen asking which language you wanted, with eight choices, all of which apparently give you Canadian money.

Molson’s did a marketing campaign recently with a multilingual fridge plunked down on a pedestrian mall. The trick to opening the fridge involved saying the same phrase, “I am Canadian,” in a different language. Once enough languages were input, the fridge unlocked and everyone could have a cold one.

hngn.com

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Anymouse  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:36:46pm

Reloaded LGF in Firefox, still no Twitter joy.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:36:54pm

re: #63 Anymouse

About the same … Ontario was a little more expensive than Manitoba and Saskatchewan, but not by much. Glad we own a Smart car.

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Heh, my wife and I got caught up in the great Delta Disaster but fortunately our experience wasn’t as bad as others (plane was delayed 2 hours. It was a direct flight though and there was no time crunch for us so no biggie).

As a result we got a free upgrade on a car rental and got a really nice GMC Terrain.

Of course it’s a large SUV with a rather large gas tank. It cost us $62 to put just under 17 gallons in that thing the first time we filled it in Canada.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:38:42pm

re: #65 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Whereas if they tried that in America, folks would either:

A) Shoot at or otherwise try to destroy the machine.
B) Start some bullshit “Boycott” of the company for the “politically correct garbage”
C) Imply that Hillary Clinton and the UN were behind the whole damned thing.

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Anymouse  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:39:12pm

re: #67 Eclectic Cyborg

Heh, my wife and I got caught up in the great Delta Disaster but fortunately our experience wasn’t as bad as others (plane was delayed 2 hours. It was a direct flight though and there was no time crunch for us so no biggie).

As a result we got a free upgrade on a car rental and got a really nice GMC Terrain.

Of course it’s a large SUV with a rather large gas tank. It cost us $62 to put just under 17 gallons in that thing the first time we filled it in Canada.

Last year my wife and I drove to Regina to fly to Germany and Poland (was way cheaper than doing it from Denver, including the drive). Gas was more expensive than three weeks parking at Regina Airport.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:40:43pm
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Barefoot Grin  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:40:45pm

re: #59 Eclectic Cyborg

Barron Trump fan? Why is he a fan specifically of Trumps young son?

Alt-right is sometimes about hierarchy and dynasty? Just a guess.

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:41:06pm

re: #51 Skip Intro

We live in the Era of Stupid,
Mostly because of Rupert,
Who arrived from Oz,
Bringing a right wing cause,
To multiply his investment x50,000 fuck everything else the end kaput

— T.S. Eliot

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:41:24pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

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The push-back needs to be strong as hell.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:41:26pm

Also, another quirky thing in Ontario: Apparently regional governments are falling in love with traffic roundabouts. In my former hometown there are now roundabouts EVERYWHERE. I don’t necessarily hate the things, I just think some areas are going overboard with them.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:42:32pm

re: #74 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, another quirky thing in Ontario: Apparently regional governments are falling in love with traffic roundabouts. In my former hometown there are now roundabouts EVERYWHERE. I don’t necessarily hate the things, I just think some area are going overboard with them.

Happening in Minnesota, too. It would be a great traffic solution if American drivers could figure the damn things out. I’ve had so many near-accidents…

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:42:54pm

Just finished watching “Hail, Caesar”—enjoyed it, but now it’s time for bed.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:43:51pm

re: #75 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Happening in Minnesota, too. It would be a great traffic solution if American drivers could figure the damn things out. I’ve had so many near-accidents…

TRUTH.

One of the new roundabouts in my old town is near an area where there are a LOT of big rigs coming and going. It doesn’t take a genius to realize big rigs don’t do so well on roundabouts, hence there are often backups at that intersection.

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calochortus  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:44:00pm

re: #74 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, another quirky thing in Ontario: Apparently regional governments are falling in love with traffic roundabouts. In my former hometown there are now roundabouts EVERYWHERE. I don’t necessarily hate the things, I just think some area are going overboard with them.

Those things are getting more popular in the States too. Personally, I hate them. Depending on the speed of traffic and the circumference of the circle, combined with people’s inability to use a turn signal, it can be hard to tell if it is safe to enter the stupid thing.

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Bear  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:45:33pm

re: #74 Eclectic Cyborg

I detest roundabouts.

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calochortus  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:46:26pm

re: #79 Bear

I detest roundabouts.

Hmmm, we seem to be seeing a trend in Lizard opinion here.

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Anymouse  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:48:08pm

re: #80 calochortus

Hmmm, we seem to be seeing a trend in Lizard opinion here.

I detest the ones they are building in Cheyenne, because they are about the size of a four-door sedan in diameter.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:48:27pm
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rhuarc  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:48:42pm

re: #79 Bear

I detest roundabouts.

I LOVE roundabouts! Wish they were more prevalent here. Love driving in Europe when I’m over there with all of the roundabouts.

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:48:43pm

re: #76 Barefoot Grin

Just finished watching “Hail, Caesar”—enjoyed it, but now it’s time for bed.

Spoiler Alert: I haven’t seen it yet. ;^)

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calochortus  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:52:32pm

re: #81 Anymouse

I detest the ones they are building in Cheyenne, because they are about the size of a four-door sedan in diameter.

They have some that size around here, but they function as “traffic calming devices” in residential neighborhoods and aren’t on streets with a lot of traffic. You just have to be at or just below the speed limit to negotiate them successfully.

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Anymouse  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:52:47pm

My wife is after a Trumpette on M-Atheists (Mensa Atheists) weighing in on the same racist BS, claiming “Democrats are the real racists.”

Intelligence is not necessarily a measure of clear thinking.

She is ripping the ass apart very publicly.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:52:51pm

re: #75 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Happening in Minnesota, too. It would be a great traffic solution if American drivers could figure the damn things out. I’ve had so many near-accidents…

Drove through a lot of them when in France. Seeing more here in eastern Pennsylvania and over in New Jersey. For certain traffic flows they are very efficient, and also do the job of getting cars to slow down for intersections. The main shortcoming with them in the US is that a lot of drivers are clueless about how they work.

(I only almost got killed in one in France once. And that was a semi-truck in a very crowded one assuming I was going 3/4 around like everyone else rather than 1/2 way round - so he started pulling out right when I hit the turn signal to go right and exit the round-about. So everyone hit their brakes - and he looked at me like it was all my fault even though I was the car *in* the round-about and thus had the right of way.)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:53:54pm

re: #68 Eclectic Cyborg

Whereas if they tried that in America, folks would either:

A) Shoot at or otherwise try to destroy the machine.
B) Start some bullshit “Boycott” of the company for the “politically correct garbage”
C) Imply that Hillary Clinton and the UN were behind the whole damned thing.

Well, it would work in one of the coastal metropolises, or even Chicago or St. Louis. It would flop big time in most places in America, because most people in the hinterlands only speak ‘Murrican.

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:54:47pm

re: #86 Anymouse

My wife is after a Trumpette on M-Atheists (Mensa Atheists) weighing in on the same racist BS, claiming “Democrats are the real racists.”

Intelligence is not necessarily a measure of clear thinking.

She is ripping the ass apart very publicly.

“Democrats are the real racists” is code for “I don’t want to have to deal with the possibility that I might be racist.”

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Joe Bacon  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:55:15pm

re: #27 The Vicious Babushka

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Anymouse  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:56:15pm

re: #85 calochortus

They have some that size around here, but they function as “traffic calming devices” in residential neighborhoods and aren’t on streets with a lot of traffic. You just have to be at or just below the speed limit to negotiate them successfully.

In Cheyenne they are putting them at Interstate off-ramps, and just finished a five-street roundabout near the VA Hospital that is an absolute disaster (two major streets plus a third minor street, the roundabout is about the size of a half-dollar).

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Kaessa  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:56:52pm

re: #83 rhuarc

I love roundabouts, too! We’re getting a lot of them in western Colorado. Only problem is that at least once a week some idiot decides to drive around one the wrong way, despite the incredibly obvious signs telling you how to work the darn thing.

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:57:22pm

Remember this caricature of a human being?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:57:38pm

re: #83 rhuarc

Same here. They aren’t too difficult to understand.

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calochortus  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:58:06pm

re: #91 Anymouse

In Cheyenne they are putting them at Interstate off-ramps, and just finished a five-street roundabout near the VA Hospital that is an absolute disaster (two major streets plus a third minor street, the roundabout is about the size of a half-dollar).

Sounds like a great plan.
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Joe Bacon  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:58:56pm

re: #51 Skip Intro

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Oh my, I thought the one on the right was a Quantum particle because it’s all over the place!

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Anymouse  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:59:09pm

re: #92 Kaessa

I love roundabouts, too! We’re getting a lot of them in western Colorado. Only problem is that at least once a week some idiot decides to drive around one the wrong way, despite the incredibly obvious signs telling you how to work the darn thing.

Part of the problem with roundabouts is they take up considerably more land than a simple intersection and traffic light.

Hence the coin-sized roundabouts in Cheyenne. Don’t want to raise tax money in a conservative city to purchase enough land.

(A recent article in the Cheyenne paper noted the horrible state of the city’s treasury. My town of 128 has 100 times the money saved that Cheyenne does.)

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2016 • 7:59:15pm

When cars are autonomous, I think most lights could be replaced by roundabouts. I still have to deal with people that will stop on highway on-ramps. A roundabout would blow their minds.

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Anymouse  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:00:50pm

re: #98 Belafon

When care are autonomous, I think most lights could be replaced by roundabouts. I still have to deal with people that will stop on highway on-ramps. A roundabout would blow their minds.

Not expecting to see self-driving cars around here any time soon. The GPS folk would have to put our roads on their maps first.

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calochortus  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:01:13pm

re: #90 Joe Bacon

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My family hasn’t, by and large, been union members, but I can’t recall any hostility. Unions do important stuff. They can become corrupt just like any other group, but demonizing them is just stupid.

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Anymouse  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:01:55pm
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Kaessa  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:02:18pm

re: #97 Anymouse

Part of the problem with roundabouts is they take up considerably more land than a simple intersection and traffic light.

Hence the coin-sized roundabouts in Cheyenne. Don’t want to raise tax money in a conservative city to purchase enough land.

Most of the ones we have around here are plenty big enough. There’s a itty bitty one about 3 blocks from me, but it’s in a residential area and they put it there to slow traffic. The ones coming off the interstate are big enough for even the largest trucks, as long as they don’t try to go too fast. We had one guy in a cement truck come into one and almost 40mph and tipped himself over. Ooops.

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Great White Snark  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:04:07pm

Watching MY LA Rams for the first time since I was too young to drive. The game has changed a lot.

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:04:12pm

re: #99 Anymouse

Not expecting to see self-driving cars around here any time soon. The GPS folk would have to put our roads on their maps first.

The biggest reason I say that is that I think the most important feature of autonomous cars is that they will share information with each other. As a car approaches an on-ramp or a roundabout, the other cars can adjust their speeds to allow merging, something humans aren’t always that great at, for a number of reasons, such as timidity, aggressiveness, ego.

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Joe Bacon  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:04:40pm

re: #93 De Kolta Chair

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Is THE DICK’s transplanted heart rejecting his body?

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:05:46pm

re: #101 Anymouse

What’s the context?

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Charles Johnson  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:08:12pm

These American Horror Story promos are probably much better than the series will be.

Bathing Beauty | American Horror Story Season 6 PROMO | FX

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calochortus  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:08:38pm

re: #98 Belafon

When cars are autonomous, I think most lights could be replaced by roundabouts. I still have to deal with people that will stop on highway on-ramps. A roundabout would blow their minds.

Thank heavens I didn’t move directly from CA to southeastern PA. I spent a few years in Denver in between, which prepared me for people who stopped right at the end of the on ramps in PA. Apparently the used to have stop signs at the end of the ramps… I was told I was lucky it wasn’t TX because there people stop, get out, look down the highway to see if anyone is coming before they pull onto the freeway.

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Anymouse  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:09:52pm

re: #106 Belafon

What’s the context?

The GOP Chair attacked Tim Kaine for his speech referencing the alt-wrong, continuing in the same vein as Hillary Clinton’s speech.

Mr. Priebus called Tim Kaine’s speech “dirty deplorable tactics.”

tampabay.com

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calochortus  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:10:25pm

re: #102 Kaessa

Most of the ones we have around here are plenty big enough. There’s a itty bitty one about 3 blocks from me, but it’s in a residential area and they put it there to slow traffic. The ones coming off the interstate are big enough for even the largest trucks, as long as they don’t try to go too fast. We had one guy in a cement truck come into one and almost 40mph and tipped himself over. Ooops.

We do have one large, lovely roundabout a few miles from here. It is in a residential area, is big enough to have a little park in the middle and is 2 lanes wide so if you’re going on around you just stay to the left, and then pull right to exit.

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Anymouse  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:11:32pm

From that Tampa Bay Times article:

In a statement this evening, Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus said Kaine had “sunk to new lows with dirty and deplorable attacks which have no place in this campaign.”

“No matter how desperate he is to distract from his running mate Hillary Clinton’s litany of corruption scandals, there is no excuse for these vile and baseless smears,” Priebus said.

The line that infuriated Priebus:

“Ku Klux Klan values, David Duke values, Donald Trump values are not American values. They’re not our values, and we’ve got to do all we can to fight, to push back and win,” Kaine told the crowd of FAMU students.

That would be the context.

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calochortus  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:13:20pm

I have now admired how close Venus and Jupiter are to each other. I have no idea why that is important, but Mr. C. is still out there admiring their proximity.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:15:43pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:16:40pm

re: #112 calochortus

I have now admired how close Venus and Jupiter are to each other. I have no idea why that is important, but Mr. C. is still out there admiring their proximity.

The Juno probe will make its first close pass of Jupiter soon. He probably can’t see it, though.

bbc.com

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calochortus  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:18:38pm

re: #114 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The Juno probe will make its first close pass of Jupiter soon. He probably can’t see it, though.

bbc.com

I don’t suppose he can-but I’m sure he knows all about it.

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Kaessa  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:18:45pm

re: #110 calochortus

We do have one large, lovely roundabout a few miles from here. It is in a residential area, is big enough to have a little park in the middle and is 2 lanes wide so if you’re going on around you just stay to the left, and then pull right to exit.

I love the big ones! We have one right in the middle of town that’s been there for over 100 years.

Fruita City Circle Park
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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:21:13pm

re: #93 De Kolta Chair

Remember this caricature of a human being?

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He’s living his 8th life. Like a supreme court justice. Best med care in the WORLD.

Any other bad person would be gone.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:22:53pm

re: #108 calochortus

Thank heavens I didn’t move directly from CA to southeastern PA. I spent a few years in Denver in between, which prepared me for people who stopped right at the end of the on ramps in PA. Apparently the used to have stop signs at the end of the ramps… I was told I was lucky it wasn’t TX because there people stop, get out, look down the highway to see if anyone is coming before they pull onto the freeway.

SMH.

One of my biggest driving pet peeves are people who will speed up and pass you on a two lane road, then proceed to SLOW THE HELL DOWN after they pass you. WHAT IS THE POINT IN THAT?? To piss me off just for the hell of it??

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majii  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:24:22pm

re: #111 Anymouse

If Priebus weren’t such a cowardly sh*t weasel, he would have already addressed the racism, bigotry, homophobia, etc., in the GOP, but he opted to pretend that it didn’t exist. He can’t stop HRC and Mr. Kaine from telling the truth about Trump’s campaign and who he has placed in charge of it [Bannon.] The right knows it’s infected with the aforementioned diseases but never wants to address them. They love playing the cards in their diseased deck but pretend it’s always someone else who does it. As soon as Colin Kaepernick decided to exercise his right not to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance, many of the right on Twitter wasted no time trashing him and calling him a n*993*. Addicting Info had copies of some of the tweets. Those who tweeted them did not hold back on expressing their racism toward him. It’s well past the time that someone summoned up the courage to address these features in the GOP because it’s what has led to an increasingly divided nation——not the current president who rarely says anything about race and racism because he knows that as soon as he does, the right will twist his words and pretend he’s attacking them. I could see Priebus calling foul if what HRC and Sen.Kaine are saying wasn’t true, but it is.

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Anymouse  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:24:39pm

Jim Wright at Stonkettle Station weighs in on the Epi-pen (the dramatic price increase)

stonekettle.com

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calochortus  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:25:46pm

re: #120 Anymouse

Jim Wright at Stonkettle Station weighs in on the Epi-pen (the dramatic price increase)

stonekettle.com

I read that. Excellent as usual.

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:29:08pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:29:27pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:31:08pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

Maybe he plans to put those FEMA camps to use after all?

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:31:47pm

Relieves Instantaneously!

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calochortus  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:32:14pm

re: #116 Kaessa

I love the big ones! We have one right in the middle of town that’s been there for over 100 years.

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:36:39pm

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bratwurst  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:36:40pm

In what alternative universe does this tweet take place?

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:36:50pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:38:34pm

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

Maybe he plans to put those FEMA camps to use after all?

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And the registry.

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:39:05pm

re: #128 bratwurst

I guess “inclusive” is when Trump mentions African Americans exist.

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majii  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:40:57pm

re: #129 Stanley Sea

“It is beyond scary that people believe his BS”

There’s a reason so many believe his BS. He’s looks like what they think the leader of the U.S. should look like, which tells you everything you need to know about the GOP being the party of inclusiveness. It’s not.

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:41:05pm

re: #15 austin_blue

Little known fact: Delbert taught John Lennon the harmonica for the “Love Me Do” track.

Really? I thought John was just skiffilin’ like all the other other kids in Liverpool. ;-)

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Lidane  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:44:24pm

Hola Lizards! I am celebrating tonight with some wine and music. I accepted a job offer on Friday for a digital marketing manager position at a local agency. I’ll be working primarily with homebuilders, and my main focus will be a builder out in CA. More responsibility, no political clients, and a 35% raise from my previous salary. I can’t wait. :)

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Kragar  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:44:25pm

Made some home made cilantro sauce for grill chicken. Grilled the chicken up, added about a cut of chicken bullion, 2 tbsp cilantro, 1 teaspoon of lemon juice, let it simmer for a about 20 minutes. Poured off the sauce, let the chicken breasts brown and get a little crispy on the outside. Added some cornstarch to the sauce to thicken it, then served it on some spanish rice and the chicken

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:45:33pm

re: #135 Kragar

Sounds fantastic.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:46:37pm

OT from downstairs

re: #311 austin_blue

In our house, we call that being incatlapitated.

By the way, here is something you don’t want to see out of the airplane window on your flight to the Magic Kingdom:

wsj.com

“Major Engine Malfunction”

Yes, yes that was an engine malfunction, if a catastrophic, uncontained turbine/fan failure can be referred to as a “malfunction”.

The pilots’ seat cushions were removed surgically at a Pensacola hospital.

I don’t think the fan failed though - it’s still visible in the photos. It looks to me like the whole cowling forward of the fan twisted away. CBS’s page has a picture taken from the gate that shows what looks to me like a dent near the wing root too.

It’s a completely bonkers failure. What makes the whole intake tunnel peel off of an engine pod like that? The inner structure (honeycomb sandwich, looks like?) is split and peeled back all the way around. It’s like The Hulk grabbed the front of the engine and twisted it off.

I’m glad they’re on the ground safe and I’m really interested to find out just what the F happened exactly. The investigators have an interesting job ahead of them.

And, somewhere under the flight path is somebody with a big aluminum donut in their yard…

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Charles Johnson  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:48:04pm
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De Kolta Chair  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:48:49pm

re: #105 Joe Bacon

Awwwww.

Is THE DICK’s transplanted heart rejecting his body?

That transplanted jerkwad was a two term Vice President of the United States of America.

Thanks for not voting, fellow lib-progs!

Screw each and every one of you.

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Kragar  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:49:15pm

re: #136 Eclectic Cyborg

Turned out pretty good. Wife didn’t feel like cooking, so I just grabbed some stuff we had laying around.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:50:14pm

Just discovered that the post about Stephen Bannon’s antisemitism was retweeted last night by Judd Apatow.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:51:28pm

re: #137 Pawn of the Oppressor

OT from downstairs

I don’t think the fan failed though - it’s still visible in the photos. It looks to me like the whole cowling forward of the fan twisted away. CBS’s page has a picture taken from the gate that shows what looks to me like a dent near the wing root too.

It’s a completely bonkers failure. What makes the whole intake tunnel peel off of an engine pod like that? The inner structure (honeycomb sandwich, looks like?) is split and peeled back all the way around. It’s like The Hulk grabbed the front of the engine and twisted it off.

I’m glad they’re on the ground safe and I’m really interested to find out just what the F happened exactly. The investigators have an interesting job ahead of them.

And, somewhere under the flight path is somebody with a big aluminum donut in their yard…

That’s what Army aviators call a “good landing”.

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Joe Bacon  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:52:06pm

re: #128 bratwurst

In what alternative universe does this tweet take place?

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Scott Adams lives in a LAISSEZ FAIRYLAND!

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Charles Johnson  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:55:35pm

The Dan Rather whitewash film “Truth” is on Starz tonight. I’m recording it because I haven’t seen it yet.

I know it’s going to seriously piss me off.

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calochortus  Aug 27, 2016 • 8:56:11pm

I’m out for the evening.
Hasta mañana.

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Lidane  Aug 27, 2016 • 9:01:23pm

re: #128 bratwurst

In what alternative universe does this tweet take place?

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The one where Dilbert is considered high art.

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 27, 2016 • 9:01:38pm

John Darkow, Columbia Daily Tribune

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2016 • 9:02:59pm

re: #134 Lidane

Hola Lizards! I am celebrating tonight with some wine and music. I accepted a job offer on Friday for a digital marketing manager position at a local agency. I’ll be working primarily with homebuilders, and my main focus will be a builder out in CA. More responsibility, no political clients, and a 35% raise from my previous salary. I can’t wait. :)

CONGRATS LIDANE! Onward & upward!

ReJj3nyoZt3ibX1STVPhgO+oWDkl69CrzD3o7U8jjI+Yjbr3NeZWbQ==

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 27, 2016 • 9:05:28pm

re: #144 Charles Johnson

The Dan Rather whitewash film “Truth” is on Starz tonight. I’m recording it because I haven’t seen it yet.

I know it’s going to seriously piss me off.

Too bad it’s not on the Syfy channel, as then I might have a modicum of interest in the low budget cgi.

Why hast thou forsaken me, Roger Corman?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2016 • 9:07:04pm

re: #144 Charles Johnson

The Dan Rather whitewash film “Truth” is on Starz tonight. I’m recording it because I haven’t seen it yet.

I know it’s going to seriously piss me off.

Please do a write up on it if you don’t mind. I’ve been very curious what your reaction and thoughts on it would be.

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2016 • 9:07:27pm
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De Kolta Chair  Aug 27, 2016 • 9:11:07pm

Speaking of Roger Corman, ciao and meow lizardi

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Lidane  Aug 27, 2016 • 9:15:33pm

re: #148 Stanley Sea

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2016 • 9:32:23pm

I don’t think VB is around tonight but I was just doing some research on the Gordie Howe International Bridge connecting Windsor and Detroit as an alternative to the Ambassador Bridge.

If you can believe Canada has very graciously offered to pay for the WHOLE FUCKING THING (both Canadian and American costs) and the Michigan government still said “no thanks”.

Good lord.

And of course, the owner of the for-profit Ambassdor Bridge has sued both countries to stop new bridge. His alternate plan? To build a second span of the Ambassador bridge (which he would also own).

Can I just stop here and say how fucking stupid it is that we need a “for profit” border crossing.

What the hell is going on here??

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Anymouse  Aug 27, 2016 • 9:41:03pm

re: #154 Eclectic Cyborg

Wanna leave the country? Cost ya.

Wanna come back? Cost ya again.

The owner of the Ambassador Bridge is a libertarian. That’s why.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2016 • 9:44:55pm

re: #155 Anymouse

Wanna leave the country? Cost ya.

Wanna come back? Cost ya again.

The owner of the Ambassador Bridge is a libertarian. That’s why.

Oh you don’t need to tell me. It’s $5 US a pop in either direction. I had to cross that damned thing twice last month because of time and budget constraints for my trip home to Canada (way fucking cheaper to fly in to Detroit vs. in to Toronto).

I think next time I’ll take the tunnel just to spite that asshole.

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Lidane  Aug 27, 2016 • 9:54:47pm

Republican minority outreach continues:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2016 • 9:56:22pm

re: #157 Lidane

Lepage reminds me one of those old school cuthroat Mafia guys…only more racist.

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Targetpractice  Aug 27, 2016 • 9:56:44pm

re: #157 Lidane

Republican minority outreach continues:

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The same people who are cheering this fuckhead on are the sort who think there’s a “white genocide” going on and any black man who says “no justice, no peace” is advocating a race war.

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Lidane  Aug 27, 2016 • 10:02:20pm

“Self-funding” —

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Targetpractice  Aug 27, 2016 • 10:04:23pm

re: #160 Lidane

“Self-funding” —

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You watch, before all is said and done, he’ll have found some way to come out even or even turning a tidy profit.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Aug 27, 2016 • 10:04:53pm

re: #142 Decatur Deb

That’s what Army aviators call a “good landing”.

That’s true!

CBS commenters - yes I read the comments, fully expecting someone to blame Obama - speculated that the nacelle may have been struck by ground equipment before takeoff. Seems as good a WAG as any at this point.

Unless it was one of these:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2016 • 10:05:18pm

re: #160 Lidane

Donald Trump is actually good at one thing: Exploiting the fuck out of everyone and everything for maximum personal gain.

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Great White Snark  Aug 27, 2016 • 10:14:51pm

re: #160 Lidane

“Self-funding” —

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Trickle Down Economics the Trump way

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 27, 2016 • 10:21:56pm

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Anymouse  Aug 27, 2016 • 10:22:45pm

re: #156 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh you don’t need to tell me. It’s $5 US a pop in either direction. I had to cross that damned thing twice last month because of time and budget constraints for my trip home to Canada (way fucking cheaper to fly in to Detroit vs. in to Toronto).

I think next time I’ll take the tunnel just to spite that asshole.

Well, I crossed at the Blue Water Bridge this month. The toll was CAN$1.50.

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Targetpractice  Aug 27, 2016 • 10:34:12pm

My theme these days:

DEVO Working In A Coalmine

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austin_blue  Aug 27, 2016 • 10:35:31pm

re: #83 rhuarc

I LOVE roundabouts! Wish they were more prevalent here. Love driving in Europe when I’m over there with all of the roundabouts.

Take a look at the Magic Roundabout in Hemel Hempstead on Google Maps. Six smaller roundabouts in a big roundabout. It’s on the west side of town where St Albans Rd. intersects the A4146.

For an American passenger, thirty seconds of sheer chaos and terror. We transit it almost every time we visit my sister and brother-in-law.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 27, 2016 • 10:40:21pm
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austin_blue  Aug 27, 2016 • 11:06:27pm

re: #137 Pawn of the Oppressor

OT from downstairs

I don’t think the fan failed though - it’s still visible in the photos. It looks to me like the whole cowling forward of the fan twisted away. CBS’s page has a picture taken from the gate that shows what looks to me like a dent near the wing root too.

It’s a completely bonkers failure. What makes the whole intake tunnel peel off of an engine pod like that? The inner structure (honeycomb sandwich, looks like?) is split and peeled back all the way around. It’s like The Hulk grabbed the front of the engine and twisted it off.

I’m glad they’re on the ground safe and I’m really interested to find out just what the F happened exactly. The investigators have an interesting job ahead of them.

And, somewhere under the flight path is somebody with a big aluminum donut in their yard…

I think a portion of the fan disintegrated and blew the front of the intake cowling off. SWA confirms that they were at around 30,000 feet when the “event” occurred. The fan disintegration may have been from a high pressure turbine failure. In any event, shrapnel from the engine pierced the fuselage and depressurized the aircraft, deploying the oxygen emergency supply system. Smoke filled the aircraft, another indication of an uncontrolled turbine failure (oil enters the bleed air supply system). In any case, good work by the pilots, and lucky that the shrapnel didn’t penetrate into the cabin (messy).

When I was in the AF, I had one catastrophic engine failure. We were leaving Pease AFB (NH) for a European Tanker Task Force TDY and had just engaged the water injection system and advanced the throttles on take-off when there was an unholy BANG! from the ACs side of the plane. I saw the number two engine unwinding, called the failure and requested the takeoff abort, yanked the #2 throttle to cutoff, pulled the rest of the throttles to idle, tripped the fuel cutoff and generator switches for #2, and called the tower to declare an emergency. The AC (Aircraft Commander, sorry) looked out his window as he was braking and told us to abandon the aircraft as soon as we stopped.

((We had four crew and two crew chiefs with us on the deployment. No passengers. This was a good thing.))

His face was kind of ashen. “What’s happening out there?”, I asked.

“We’re dumping JP-4 all over the runway. The wing is pretty shredded.”

It didn’t catch fire, praise dog. One crew chief opened the crew door and dropped the ladder and scampered back upstairs, yelling that it was already soaked in kerosene underneath the plane. All six of us went out the rope on my side window, and no one was hurt. The plane took almost six months to fix after an extended stay in depot. Had to rebuild and reskin the entire left wing , except for the spar, ailerons, and flaps.

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MsJ  Aug 27, 2016 • 11:06:57pm

re: #166 Anymouse

Well, I crossed at the Blue Water Bridge this month. The toll was CAN$1.50.

Blue water bridge crossing is $3.00 US into Canada and $3.50 US crossing back. I cross that bridge regularly.

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gwangung  Aug 27, 2016 • 11:08:30pm

re: #170 austin_blue

Um. Wow.

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Anymouse  Aug 27, 2016 • 11:11:09pm

re: #171 MsJ

Blue water bridge crossing is $3.00 US into Canada and $3.50 US crossing back. I cross that bridge regularly.

My poor memory then. I paid a $1.50 for something, maybe a cup of Tim Horton’s coffee.

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teleskiguy  Aug 27, 2016 • 11:15:03pm
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MsJ  Aug 27, 2016 • 11:18:21pm

re: #173 Anymouse

My poor memory then. I paid a $1.50 for something, maybe a cup of Tim Horton’s coffee.

No biggie. I was just saying.

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Anymouse  Aug 27, 2016 • 11:22:14pm

re: #175 MsJ

No biggie. I was just saying.

S’alright.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 27, 2016 • 11:25:46pm

re: #162 Pawn of the Oppressor

That’s true!

CBS commenters - yes I read the comments, fully expecting someone to blame Obama - speculated that the nacelle may have been struck by ground equipment before takeoff. Seems as good a WAG as any at this point.

Unless it was one of these:

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When Shatner played The Big Giant Head on Third Rock from the Sun, he wound up in the wrong place and had to fly in. When the Solomons pick him up at the airport, John Lithgow asks “How was your flight?” “Horrifying—at first. I thought I saw something strange on the wing!” Lithgow said: “The same thing happened to me!” I got the Shatner end of it and my girlfriend got the Lithgow end, so between us we understood the joke.

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BigPapa  Aug 27, 2016 • 11:27:55pm

I’m a low voltage guy. One thing I have over high voltage workers?

Electricians = hertz
Communications = megahertz

I’m sorry we’re so mega. It’s hard to be this awesome but somebody has to do it.

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austin_blue  Aug 27, 2016 • 11:29:15pm

re: #172 gwangung

Um. Wow.

Meh. A ten million dollar repair, I suppose. There’s a reason they re-engined all of the KC-135’s with high bypass fans. The original J-57 with the water injection system had a tendency to fail in a spectacular fashion. Interestingly, they re-engined them with the CFM-56 engine, which is the engine on the 737 which failed today.

Nothing is perfect. Everything eventually breaks.

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Anymouse  Aug 27, 2016 • 11:33:30pm

re: #178 BigPapa

I’m a low voltage guy. One thing I have over high voltage workers?

Electricians = hertz
Communications = megahertz

I’m sorry we’re so mega. It’s hard to be this awesome but somebody has to do it.

I was an aviation electronics technician in the Navy. We usually compared ourselves to electrician mates as the difference between high voltage and low voltage.

I also worked on gigahertz equipment (ECM). I only dealt with communications equipment in my last couple years (HF)

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BigPapa  Aug 27, 2016 • 11:44:21pm

My common retort to electricians who mumble about how they pull big cable and we’re the ‘tiny wire’ guys.

But the guys who work poles and use the thick rubber gloves on live circuits.. that takes some stones.

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BigPapa  Aug 27, 2016 • 11:49:41pm

OK, this is interesting:

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austin_blue  Aug 27, 2016 • 11:56:34pm

re: #180 Anymouse

I was an aviation electronics technician in the Navy. We usually compared ourselves to electrician mates as the difference between high voltage and low voltage.

I also worked on gigahertz equipment (ECM). I only dealt with communications equipment in my last couple years (HF)

HF was the bane of any SAC pilot. Any trip across the pond required sending position reports to Omaha on the HF, which typically were sent in the blind and consisted of putting on the headphones, tuning a channel and listening to K-K-K-K-CHACK!- -d-d-d-d-zwee-WHACK-garble garble garble and then transmitting “This is Poopy 22, crossed 30 west at 16:25, estimating 20 west at 17:40.” Followed by a response from Omaha of K-K-K-K sheep! garble garble zzzz Roger Poo Whee! Confir pbpbpbp estima gagagagagaga.

It was a joke for all involved. And this was our nuclear war communication system.

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BeenHereAwhile  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:00:04am

re: #10 De Kolta Chair

In case that John Hiatt link doesn’t work, here’s the original version by a legendary Texas bandito to kick your ass all the way into reality, pardon my French.

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Delbert McClinton, taught John Lennon how to play the harmonica, and this is one of his better singles.

IIRC, we released it in 1978, about the same time Delbert was on SNL.

“Take it easy lovin’ me
Don’t start thinkin’ I’m something that I’ll never be
Just need me, oh, yeah, as much as need be
Take it easy, easy, lovin’ me
Many’s the woman who’s cried herself crazy at night
Over some kind of a man who she says ain’t treatin’ her right
Expectin’ of someone is quick to be takin’ its toll
And if you’re not careful, you’ll wake up lonely and old
Take it easy, easy, lovin’ me
Don’t start thinking I’m somethin’ that I’ll never be
Just need me as much as need be
Take it easy, easy, lovin’ me
Now dreamin’ and plannin’ are things I guess all of us do
And sooner or later, we all play the part of a fool
But those in a hurry to unpack their bag full of dreams
Are quick to be victims of the lies and lusts and the schemes
Take it easy lovin’ me
Don’t start thinkin’ I’m something that I’ll never be
Just need me, oh yeah baby,
As much as need be
Take it easy lovin’ me
Take it easy lovin’ me”

Delbert McClinton :: Take It Easy

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Anymouse  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:05:25am

re: #184 austin_blue

HF was the bane of any SAC pilot. Any trip across the pond required sending position reports to Omaha on the HF, which typically were sent in the blind and consisted of putting on the headphones, tuning a channel and listening to K-K-K-K-CHACK!- -d-d-d-d-zwee-WHACK-garble garble garble and then transmitting “This is Poopy 22, crossed 30 west at 16:25, estimating 20 west at 17:40.” Followed by a response from Omaha of K-K-K-K sheep! garble garble zzzz Roger Poo Whee! Confir pbpbpbp estima gagagagagaga.

It was a joke for all involved. And this was our nuclear war communication system.

It still is to some extent, though over the ocean, HF works a lot better to reach the USA than UHF.

Techs in the shop would use our bench HF radio (an AN/ARC-51) on the ship to get news like the BBC or music.

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Kragar  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:07:43am
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BigPapa  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:10:43am

Falafel burrito? Take my money.

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austin_blue  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:14:58am

re: #186 Anymouse

It still is to some extent, though over the ocean, HF works a lot better to reach the USA than UHF.

Techs in the shop would use our bench HF radio (an AN/ARC-51) on the ship to get news like the BBC or music.

Our problem was that the planes weren’t big enough to string a truly functional antenna. It was close but not quite there, hence the hell. Ships don’t seem to have that problem, apparently.

I wish that we were able to listen to the Beeb on our trans-atlantic hops. We had shit.

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William Lewis  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:21:01am

re: #182 BigPapa

I want a shawarma taco salad…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:23:26am
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Anymouse  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:26:45am

re: #189 austin_blue

Our problem was that the planes weren’t big enough to string a truly functional antenna. It was close but not quite there, hence the hell. Ships don’t seem to have that problem, apparently.

I wish that we were able to listen to the Beeb on our trans-atlantic hops. We had shit.

The comm/nav shops I was always in on various ships were always on the 02 level (two decks above the hanger) and right next to it. On my last two ships we were able to get permission to string an antenna wire from the shop into the hanger from the safety office and damage control.

Prior to that, when I was on the USS America (CV-66), I owned a Kenwood shortwave receiver, and had an antenna out in the hanger. I used to write the headlines on the chalkboard every morning, which caused a regular parade of officers from various divisions through our shop to catch the news headlines.

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BeenHereAwhile  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:30:33am

re: #15 austin_blue

Little known fact: Delbert taught John Lennon the harmonica for the “Love Me Do” track.

Shoulda read this post before posting the same comment re Delbert teaching harmonica to John Lennon, & Delbert singing “Take It Easy”.

Another little known fact about Delbert is that Phil Walden repeatedly asked Delbert to record Elvira (Delbert was on our label) a year before the Oak Ridge Boys released it.

Delbert had the perfect voice for that song, but just didn’t want to do it.

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BigPapa  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:32:18am

Before I moved to Hawaii I lived in Fremont CA. Huge Indian population, lots of Afghans there. I got pretty spoiled on ethnic food. There’s one good indian place on this entire island. It’s been a long time since I’ve had a good falafel.

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austin_blue  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:45:05am

re: #192 Anymouse

The comm/nav shops I was always in on various ships were always on the 02 level (two decks above the hanger) and right next to it. On my last two ships we were able to get permission to string an antenna wire from the shop into the hanger from the safety office and damage control.

Prior to that, when I was on the USS America (CV-66), I owned a Kenwood shortwave receiver, and had an antenna out in the hanger. I used to write the headlines on the chalkboard every morning, which caused a regular parade of officers from various divisions through our shop to catch the news headlines.

My da was on the Independence (CV-62) on its August -> December 1961 cruise to the Med. One of his fellow pilots in the squadron (they were flying F4D Skyrays) was Don Conroy, whose son (Pat) later wrote a book about him: The Great Sanatini. And yes, my dad said he was a mean drunk and an asshole.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 1:04:27am

re: #187 Kragar

Factions of altright like them some Milo though, despite him being both gay and Jewish. That’s what a lack of intellectual discipline brings.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 1:05:41am

Jill has promoted an account that retweets stuff like

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 1:07:07am

They were divided when Cernovich said he was Jewish though (I still have no idea whether he’s joking):

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Anymouse  Aug 28, 2016 • 1:09:44am

gofundme.com (fundraiser now closed)

The atheist organisation that tried to give $100 to a Christian charity working with Native Americans in Oklahoma and was rebuffed has now closed its fundraiser.

The organisation basically took the position that “everyone has their price” and continued to fundraise, reaching more than $28,000.

The charity will now accept the atheist organisation’s money (after much bad press): over $5,000 will go to the Christian charity, and the rest will go to Camp Quest (a secular summer camp that stresses science and critical thinking).

The issue with the Christian charity was they did not wish to acknowledge the atheist group as a donor. (We’ll take your money but won’t credit you because Bible: They actually cited a Bible passage in their defence.)

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austin_blue  Aug 28, 2016 • 1:11:36am

Night all! Sweet anole dreams.

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Anymouse  Aug 28, 2016 • 1:51:57am

A member of the Christian charity that provides foster homes for Native Americans started a competing fundraiser to the atheist one.

After it was overwhelmed by atheists donating to that fundraiser as well, he shut it down.

patheos.com

Goes to the Friendly Atheist at Patheos.

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William Lewis  Aug 28, 2016 • 2:06:41am

re: #201 Anymouse

Sigh. I’ve argued more than once that we Christians should live our lives as if we believe in the teachings of Christ but as if the atheists are right and there is nothing else. Live for this world, not for a fantasy. Create the Kingdom of Heaven here and now. As Pope Francis put it, an atheist doing good is more pleasing to God than a believer doing nothing.

But then, I find it far easier to believe in God than to believe in heaven so Im a heretic anyway.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 2:06:54am

A fair warning re: the upcoming debates.
dailykos.com

Just because Trump is a know-nothing whose preparations consist of eating burgers with Rudy, Ailes and Ingraham, doesn’t mean he can’t win the debates. It won’t be on substance, but let’s not kid ourselves that debates are about substance.

PS: Shukshin has described the situation in his short story “Cutting them down to size”.

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Anymouse  Aug 28, 2016 • 2:20:00am

re: #203 Nyet

Interesting discussion over there. All over the place on whether the debates would be good or bad for Mrs. Clinton, based on Mr. Trump’s performance.

One commentator noted that one strategy might be to go after him with substantive attacks on his favourite medium (Twitter) for a few days before.

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Ming5000  Aug 28, 2016 • 2:28:30am

re: #203 Nyet

The author is saying that despite the substance of the debate the American public possibly could decide the winner based on outside perception.

What they saw of course was not the actual debate. They saw what they expected to see.

I see how that did and could work, but I in the case of the Trump/Clinton debate I do not yet see how that dynamic could work in Trump’s favor.
I hope the HRC is preparing to counter baseless claims of past success and fantastical promises[WashPost]. The HRC team has a huge amount of data showing how Trump reacts to questions and challenges.
I wish that they would tape the debate preps for later release. Yum

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Alyosha  Aug 28, 2016 • 2:30:23am

re: #203 Nyet

That. Was. Infuriating.
Which is to say it was well-written and only too indicative of how ‘the people’ like their Dunning-Kruger sophistry when the target is some tall poppy.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 2:33:00am

re: #205 Ming5000

While I expect Hillary to win handily, the possibility of a poor performance by her and an above average one by the showman definitely is there. Even if they won’t be on the same level, the expectations are so low for Trump that he only need not shit his pants on stage, while the expectations for Hillary are extremely high, and not only on substance but not on being “shrill”, not raising her voice, not being “boring” and so on. You know the game.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 2:34:20am

re: #206 Alyosha

Gish gallop before Gish.

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Ming5000  Aug 28, 2016 • 2:37:53am

Blast from the past. WashPost article:
Here are 76 of Donald Trump’s many campaign promises
By Jenna Johnson January 22 2016

He spews so many words it is hard to keep up.

6. Get rid of Obamacare and replace it with something “terrific”
11. “I will take care of women, and I have great respect for women. I do cherish women, and I will take care of women.”
13. Temporarily ban most foreign Muslims from entering the United States “until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.”
17. Never take a vacation while serving as president.
29. Bring back waterboarding
36. Find great generals — like the next Gen. Patton or Gen. MacArthur — and do not allow them to go onto television news shows to explain their military strategy
56. Ensure that Americans can still afford to golf.
68. Deport the almost 11 million immigrants illegally living in the United States.
76. Start winning again.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 2:46:16am

re: #202 William Lewis

An idea occurred to me: it’s not my cup of tea, but if I were a liberal Christian, I would use Coulter’s latest book title, In Trump We Trust, as a springboard to argue that the GOP has abandoned God for the Golden Calf, of which Trump is only the latest manifestation.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 2:51:05am

Coulter retweeted this:

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Alyosha  Aug 28, 2016 • 2:51:18am

re: #208 Nyet

Gish gallop before Gish.

The Gleb Gallop. If he can find the word ‘condescension’, Trump could very well get some points from Fox and maybe others. We all know of the intense conservative hatred of being ‘lectured to’ by Obama.
A policy wonk like Clinton is bound to get a similar treatment.

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Targetpractice  Aug 28, 2016 • 2:54:17am

The problem with using the Carter/Reagan debate as an argument is…what, class? Right, that there was a single debate and thus no chance for Carter to dispel the notion that ol’ Ron was a kindly old grandpa who everybody loved. Compare that to the last two elections, where the bar was set so low for the Republican that he was seen as “winning” the first debate, then proceeding to get his clocked cleaned in the second and third. After all, if there had been only one debate in 2012, Willard would have probably convinced the public that he was a better prepared guy for the presidency that Obama was. It wasn’t until the second and third that we got items like “binders full of women” and “please proceed.”

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Alyosha  Aug 28, 2016 • 3:00:09am

I also like how even Gleb’s friends don’t especially like him, as they plainly see his argumentative nature is founded in a desire to be cruel.
But they detest the idea of intellectuals looking down on them more. Konstantin Ivanovich’s confusion seems to reinforce this perception of aloofness to what the common man is capable of thinking.

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William Lewis  Aug 28, 2016 • 3:02:31am

re: #210 Nyet

An idea occurred to me: it’s not my cup of tea, but if I were a liberal Christian, I would use Coulter’s latest book title, In Trump We Trust, as a springboard to argue that the GOP has abandoned God for the Golden Calf, of which Trump is only the latest manifestation.

Oh very much so. It’s the Preaching to the Choir problem - those who would see it already won’t vote for him and the fundamentalists long ago stopped caring about anything that doesn’t lead to secular power.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 3:13:20am

re: #214 Alyosha

A similar mindset was described by Chekhov. I think you might enjoy this story:

nyrbclassics.tumblr.com

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 3:30:10am

re: #216 Nyet

Gerasimov informed me that you
have composed a treatize in which it pleased you to express some
rather unsubstantiated ideas about mankind’s primal condition and
antediluvian existence. It pleased you to pen that man has descended
from the apish tribes of monkeys, orangutans, and so forth. Forgive
me, an old man, but I disagree with you on this important point and
can even provide you with some pause for thought here. For if man,
the ruler of the world, the smartest of all breathing creatures, descended
from the stupid and ignorant ape, then he would have a tail
and a beastly voice. If we had descended from apes, then in present
times the Gypsies would be taking us around to various towns and
we would be paying money to be exhibited to each other, dancing at
the command of the Gypsy or sitting in a cage at the zoo. Are we
covered with fur all over? Are we not wearing clothing, which the
apes lack? Could we feel any love for woman rather than contempt,
if she smelled even a bit like the monkey that we see every Tuesday at
the house of the Marshal of Nobility? If our progenitors have descended
from apes they wouldn’t have been buried at Christian cemeteries;
for instance, my great-great-grandfather Ambrosius who
lived in days of yore in the Kingdom of Poland was interred not as
an ape but beside the Catholic abbot Joakim Shostak, whose writings
regarding temperate climate and the intemperate use of alcoholic
drinks are preserved to this day by my brother Ivan (the major).
An abbot means a Catholic priest. Forgive me, a know-nothing, that
I interfere in your learned business, interpret it in my own senile
way, and thrust upon you my half-baked and garish ideas that are
more likely to be found in the stomachs of learned and civilized
people than in their heads. But I cannot stomach it in silence when
scientists reason incorrectly, and so cannot but contradict you.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 3:50:38am
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Alyosha  Aug 28, 2016 • 3:51:47am

How could you see
these spots on the sun, if you cannot look at the sun with the plain
human eye, and what are these spots for, if you can make do without
them?

I thought this was funny, since one hears variations of the same today. Why complicate an issue with new findings when we’re doing just fine without them? For some, scientific progress must have some immediate practical benefit. Without utility, science is just an agent of uncertainty.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 3:54:44am

Her giggle is so fake and staged.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 28, 2016 • 3:56:56am

re: #108 calochortus

Thank heavens I didn’t move directly from CA to southeastern PA. I spent a few years in Denver in between, which prepared me for people who stopped right at the end of the on ramps in PA. Apparently the used to have stop signs at the end of the ramps… I was told I was lucky it wasn’t TX because there people stop, get out, look down the highway to see if anyone is coming before they pull onto the freeway.

In places where there is construction right around the ramp (or the ramp itself) you can still find Stop signs at the end of on-ramps. Though it is usually for places where the on-ramp is onto single lane traffic.

What annoys me still is seeing people that won’t switch lanes to accommodate cars entering the highway. I understand it when there are cars in the left lane preventing the lane switch, but why not move when that lane is completely clear simply to make everything easier for all parties involved?

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Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 28, 2016 • 4:08:35am

re: #171 MsJ

Blue water bridge crossing is $3.00 US into Canada and $3.50 US crossing back. I cross that bridge regularly.

Heck. Around Philly it’s free to go into New Jersey, but they charge $5 US to release you.
(Done pretty much to ease up the traffic flow.)

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Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 28, 2016 • 4:10:32am

re: #180 Anymouse

I was an aviation electronics technician in the Navy. We usually compared ourselves to electrician mates as the difference between high voltage and low voltage.

I also worked on gigahertz equipment (ECM). I only dealt with communications equipment in my last couple years (HF)

Pity the poor media having to work with Reince and the GOP. Everything measured in butthertz there.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 4:11:24am

Not all the charges have been dropped, those that have been dropped were because of the statute of limitations, Assange is not detained so nobody can release him. Can Jill pack even more lies into 140 characters? I wouldn’t be surprised.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 4:12:49am

These people.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 4:14:25am

re: #225 Nyet

She also retweeted this to let you know her skull is full of feces.

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Alyosha  Aug 28, 2016 • 4:22:09am

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Jayleia  Aug 28, 2016 • 4:22:10am

…and *WHACK!*

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 4:25:33am

re: #228 Jayleia

Trump was very obviously comparing the insignificance of his stress to the fate of 400000 people.

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Alyosha  Aug 28, 2016 • 4:27:34am

And coz I can be a bit of a whore at times, for ease of RTing if’n you’re so inclined:

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 4:37:34am

The two interpretations (Trump dismissed 400000 people killed as nothing v. Trump comparing his stress to their fate to show that his stress is nothing) only have the same probability of being correct if you ignore Occam’s razor/Bayesian thinking: there is no logical explanation for Trump inserting this bit at all into his argument on the first hypothesis, whereas it fits into the second explanation. Ergo the second explanation has a much higher probability.

Hatred of Trump is well-deserved. It should not make one blind.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 28, 2016 • 4:47:05am

re: #118 Eclectic Cyborg

SMH.

One of my biggest driving pet peeves are people who will speed up and pass you on a two lane road, then proceed to SLOW THE HELL DOWN after they pass you. WHAT IS THE POINT IN THAT?? To piss me off just for the hell of it??

Yeah, that and coming to almost a complete stop before making a right turn exiting the road. I can be heard for miles “turn, goddamnit! turn!”

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Jayleia  Aug 28, 2016 • 5:01:29am

re: #231 Nyet

This is true, and I am prepared to accept that as a possibility. But logic seems to go out the airlock when trying to understand Trump or what he says. And unfortunately, this year, Occam’s Razor seems to have been joined by Trump’s Razor “Whatever the worst interpretation that you can imagine of what Trump is saying is usually wrong…its usually worse”.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 5:10:42am

re: #233 Jayleia

Logic doesn’t go anywhere. Trump 2016 may not respect it (and Trump 2016 is not Trump 2004, as far as the public persona goes) but when we have two different explanations with vastly different explanatory power, it doesn’t make sense to brand them as equally probable. The appeal to Trump’s illogic would make sense if none of the explanations made sense. But one of them does. The other is just based on a well-earned disgust with Trump.

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Anymouse  Aug 28, 2016 • 5:27:59am

Governor Paul LePage (R-Wingnut) keeping it kkklasy: Mr. LePage is now the subject of a front page BBC article reporting on his speech where he tried to dispel charges he is a racist by suggesting African-Americans and Latinos are “the enemy” and should be shot. They also report on the tirade he left on a Democratic legislator’s answering machine, and the Portland newspaper making a Freedom of Information request for his alleged binder full of African-Americans and Latino drug criminals (on the theory it was created with state tax funds):

bbc.com

Canada gets in on the act:

ctvnews.ca

Good to know our wingnuts are international news.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 5:32:59am

re: #235 Anymouse

Let me guess, LePage is Trump’s pal?

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Anymouse  Aug 28, 2016 • 5:37:03am

re: #236 Nyet

Let me guess, LePage is Trump’s pal?

He was one of Mr. Trump’s first endorsers, even before the Stormfronters and Ann Coulter.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 28, 2016 • 5:47:57am

re: #236 Nyet

Let me guess, LePage is Trump’s pal?

He was also elected because the best is the enemy of the good—one Democratic candidate, one “Independent” purity candidate…and him.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 28, 2016 • 5:52:59am

Trump’s debate strategy will be much like Mitt’s in his first debate with Obama. So much bullshit that it’s impossible to address any of it. Add Trump’s showmanship (if you can call it that) and Hillary just may be left doing nothing but responding to him. Just what he’d want. He will take it as a yuge win and refuse to have anymore debates.

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Anymouse  Aug 28, 2016 • 5:55:15am

re: #238 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

He was also elected because the best is the enemy of the good—one Democratic candidate, one “Independent” purity candidate…and him.

Yup. Mike Michaud was the Democratic candidate. Had the independent not run, Mr. Michaud would have won.

The US political system runs pretty much as a two-party system. Third parties, when they gain enough supporters, usually only derail one of the two major parties. The only time a third party really gains power is when a major party collapses (such as the Whigs in the XIX Century).

It is possible, if the GOP cannot pull itself out of its tailspin, that the Libertarian Party would be poised to become “the other major party.” They have organisation in most states, and a few people already in office (notably state senators in Iowa and Nebraska).

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Anymouse  Aug 28, 2016 • 6:05:44am
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jeffreyw  Aug 28, 2016 • 6:08:28am

Imgur


Good morning! There will be a short wait for breakfast.

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fern01  Aug 28, 2016 • 6:17:54am

re: #12 Eclectic Cyborg

Three years I started my current job which is unionized. I must say I appreciate the protection. Of course I also wish companies treated workers well enough that unions weren’t necessary.

The reason companies treat workers well is because of unions, which is the reason companies want to get rid of unions.

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Anymouse  Aug 28, 2016 • 6:34:33am

Comment on Donald Trump on Facebook about his flipping (again) on immigration (he is back to deport everyone and sort them out later):

He has more positions than the Kama Sutra and they are just as impractical.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 28, 2016 • 6:36:34am

re: #182 BigPapa

My family lives in Mississauga. I’m going to have to visit that restaurant the next time I’m there. That is hilarious!

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darthstar  Aug 28, 2016 • 6:39:32am

This is a great post. Interesting information about Trump the businessman.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 28, 2016 • 6:40:52am

re: #245 Patricia Kayden

My family lives in Mississauga. I’m going to have to visit that restaurant the next time I’m there. That is hilarious!

BigPapa at 188 wanted a falafel burrito. I’m the opposite—I like to stuff taco fixings in pita bread so they don’t go everywhere while you’re trying to eat.

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Anymouse  Aug 28, 2016 • 6:46:20am

Another comment on Trump’s shifting immigration “platform”:

If he keeps spinning he is going to turn into Wonder Woman.

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Jenner7  Aug 28, 2016 • 6:47:21am
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PhillyPretzel  Aug 28, 2016 • 6:49:09am

re: #248 Anymouse

We should be that fortunate. At least Wonder Woman understood history and how it affected humans. That Trump person has no idea of history and what it is.

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Anymouse  Aug 28, 2016 • 6:52:06am

re: #250 PhillyPretzel

And Wonder Woman has an invisible plane. It is not emblazoned with “Wonder Woman” in giant garish lettering.

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Anymouse  Aug 28, 2016 • 6:53:29am
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Anymouse  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:01:15am
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BigPapa  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:03:49am

Really enjoying the Kaepernick tempest.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:04:04am

re: #12 Eclectic Cyborg

Three years I started my current job which is unionized. I must say I appreciate the protection. Of course I also wish companies treated workers well enough that unions weren’t necessary.

That is wishing human nature was different. working people need unions so that they have some leverage. The main reason wages have been stagnant is not deindustrialization, but deunionization. Even if manufacturers hadn’t moved off-shore, they would’ve moved to right-to-work states and paid low wages.

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Jenner7  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:13:01am

It does in this election. They’ve ignored the fact that Trump refuses to release tax returns. But keep pushing Hillary on press conferences.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:20:00am

re: #256 Jenner7

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It does in this election. They’ve ignored the fact that Trump refuses to release tax returns. But keep pushing Hillary on press conferences.

I typed trump tax returns into google news and got a bunch of stuff, incl. e.g. this: csmonitor.com
politico.com

It’s not being ignored.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:20:29am

re: #54 Eclectic Cyborg

When I was in Canada, I visited a local branch of a major bank and was surprised to see a sign on the door saying they now offered full service in Arabic.

I immediately thought of the shitstorm that would follow if an American bank in say Texas tried such a thing.

I saw more hijabs and middle easterners in the past two weeks than I have in the past two years. Around this area it’s mostly white, black, some Latino, Vietnamese and some Chinese, but virtually no middle eastern. Not the case in Eastern and Southern Ontario.

You know what else I noticed? How well people got along. It wasn’t about skin color. It was just about being human. I MISS that. American needs it so badly.

Heck, I read that Canadian communities are requesting more Syrian refugees than Canada has brought in. Such a contrast from the hate and paranoia here.

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Belafon  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:21:03am

A pretty good rational take down of Jill Stein as a candidate: My progressive friends: We need to talk about Jill Stein (Daily Kos link).

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Alephnaught  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:21:06am

re: #79 Bear

I detest roundabouts.

You probably won’t like the New Towns in Britain then. These were post WW2 planned towns designed to absorb a lot of the population from major urban centres. Part of the design included grade separated pedestrian walkways and roads with lots and lots of roundabouts in order to avoid traffic lights.

East Kilbride, one of the New Towns outside Glasgow, has so many roundabouts, it’s nickname is “Polo Mint City”.

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Belafon  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:24:37am

re: #257 Nyet

I typed trump tax returns into google news and got a bunch of stuff, incl. e.g. this: csmonitor.com
politico.com

It’s not being ignored.

We’re not “hearing” about it here, as in it’s not turning up on the big news networks, nor is it a common point in the major newspapers.

Also, if I remember correctly, Trump’s “press conferences” haven’t actually allowed questions from the press.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:25:51am

re: #259 Belafon

Nice point about this plank:

We should create a nuclear-free zone in the Middle East region and require all nations in the area to join.

Is she going to be a world dictator or something?

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Anymouse  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:26:09am

re: #256 Jenner7

It does in this election. They’ve ignored the fact that Trump refuses to release tax returns. But keep pushing Hillary on press conferences.

And they mostly ignore people like Richard Spencer endorsing him, a person who advocates “scientific racism”:

splcenter.org

Spencer advocates for an Aryan homeland for the supposedly dispossessed white race and calls for “peaceful ethnic cleansing” to halt the “deconstruction” of European culture. But even some of the Europeans he lionizes have rejected him; in October 2014, his attempt to hold an NPI conference in Budapest, Hungary, resulted in his arrest and expulsion.

In His Own Words

“Martin Luther King Jr., a fraud and degenerate in his life, has become the symbol and cynosure of White Dispossession and the deconstruction of Occidental civilization. We must overcome!”

- National Policy Institute column, January 2014

The whole article is fascinating, in the way staring at a cobra is fascinating.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:26:10am

re: #261 Belafon

On the money. He “tells” them what to say. If they don’t, he pulls their passes.

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Jenner7  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:30:04am

I’ll concede they’re not ignoring it, but they are certainly making her lack of press conferences more of an issue than a candidate, for the first time in modern history, not releasing tax returns. One is not doing it, period. The other IS doing interviews, just not in the format the press likes.

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Nojay UK  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:30:21am

re: #260 Alephnaught

You probably won’t like the New Towns in Britain then.

Roundabouts are the equivalent of a US three-way or four-way stop, controlling the flow of traffic at intersections without the need for traffic lights. I understand there are a lot of road accidents at stops in the US with people blowing through them or misjudging the priorities and getting hit from the side by fast-moving traffic.

There might be collisions on a roundabout but there’s little or no chance of being T-boned since the traffic is flowing in the same direction rather than at right-angles. Like most things once you’re used to them they work. The big problem I had in the States was roundabouts which were chirally flipped since you guys drive on the wrong side of the road.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:30:23am

re: #261 Belafon

We’re not “hearing” about it here, as in it’s not turning up on the big news networks, nor is it a common point in the major newspapers.

Also, if I remember correctly, Trump’s “press conferences” haven’t actually allowed questions from the press.

OK, I have just googled specifically New York Times. The first five results:

Mike Pence May Break With Donald Trump, Again, Over Tax Returns …
nytimes.com New York Times
Aug 13, 2016 - Mr. Trump has said he would not release his tax returns because they are being audited. Democrats have suggested he does not want to show …
Why Won’t Trump Release His Taxes? - The New York Times
nytimes.com New York Times
Aug 17, 2016 - Unfortunately, he clings to the hope that Mr. Trump will keep his promise to release his tax returns before the election. A long record of violating …
Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine Show New Tax Returns, Pressuring …
nytimes.com New York Times
Aug 12, 2016 - The newest tax return of Mrs. Clinton and her husband, former President Bill … The Trump campaign would not discuss his tax returns, but in a …
I Support You, Donald Trump. Now Release Your Tax Returns.
nytimes.com New York Times
Aug 14, 2016 - Donald J. Trump at a campaign rally in Kissimmee, Fla., on Thursday. … To him, demands that he release his tax returns are just a ploy by his …
Clinton Released Her Taxes. Will Trump Follow This Tradition? - The …
nytimes.com New York Times
Aug 12, 2016 - While not required to do so, all but one major party nominee over the last four decades have released tax returns for the prior year. (Gerald R.

So in other words, big newspapers at least have not ignored it. They may not have written about it as frequently as you personally would like, but the statement “the media ignored Trump’s refusal” is nevertheless false.

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Anymouse  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:32:27am

Southern Poverty Law Center also has an article about Spencer, Trump, Yiannopolism and the so-called alt-right:

splcenter.org

Yiannopoulos’s attempts to whitewash the most extreme elements of the Alt-Right were noticed by both the left and the Alt-Right. A Washington Post profile of the Alt-Right stated “The goal is often offensiveness for the sake of offensiveness in the way that many young white men embrace.” Andrew Anglin of the neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer responded plainly in a post, “No it isn’t. The goal is to ethnically cleanse White nations of non-Whites and establish an authoritarian government. Many people also believe that the Jews should be exterminated.”

It doesn’t get much clearer than that.

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Jenner7  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:34:17am

Trump’s campaign in a nutshell.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:34:34am

re: #154 Eclectic Cyborg

I don’t think VB is around tonight but I was just doing some research on the Gordie Howe International Bridge connecting Windsor and Detroit as an alternative to the Ambassador Bridge.

If you can believe Canada has very graciously offered to pay for the WHOLE FUCKING THING (both Canadian and American costs) and the Michigan government still said “no thanks”.

Good lord.

And of course, the owner of the for-profit Ambassdor Bridge has sued both countries to stop new bridge. His alternate plan? To build a second span of the Ambassador bridge (which he would also own).

Can I just stop here and say how fucking stupid it is that we need a “for profit” border crossing.

What the hell is going on here??

Matty Moroun did not even build the Ambassador Bridge. HE BOUGHT IT in 1992 as part of an investment package.

Yes, in the magical world of the 1% “Do you want to buy a bridge?” is a business proposal, not a scammer’s opening line.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:34:55am

re: #249 Jenner7

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So we’re not supposed to pay attention to what a Presidential candidate says? Wut?!

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:35:17am

re: #269 Jenner7

Big baby.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:35:37am

re: #156 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh you don’t need to tell me. It’s $5 US a pop in either direction. I had to cross that damned thing twice last month because of time and budget constraints for my trip home to Canada (way fucking cheaper to fly in to Detroit vs. in to Toronto).

I think next time I’ll take the tunnel just to spite that asshole.

I drive up to Port Huron to use the Blue Water Bridge going in to Canada and the Windsor Tunnel on the way back.

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ObserverArt  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:35:37am

Morning…

So, I just tuned in Meet The Todd after watching the Belgium Grand Prix…I wanna see how he is going to spin the whole election as a race to the bottom. I know it is coming.

Oh great we start with Reince…

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darthstar  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:37:36am
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Alephnaught  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:39:55am

OT, but interesting (for me anyway): the film “Office for Monument Construction”, which I played a small part in, is playing at the Gydni Film Festival in Poland. And I appear in the official flyer! (Sans beard, which I had to shave off for the part.)

Fame at last!
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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:41:04am

re: #276 Alephnaught

Wow! Way cool.

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Frankie Five Angels  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:41:17am

re: #274 ObserverArt

Morning…

So, I just tuned in Meet The Todd after watching the Belgium Grand Prix…I wanna see how he is going to spin the whole election as a race to the bottom. I know it is coming.

Oh great we start with Reince…

And then we get the most overrated pointy head Hugh Hewitt. That guy is an insufferable tool.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:46:05am

From the much maligned CNN, on tax returns:

Jason Chaffetz: Donald Trump should open his ‘kimono,’ release tax …
cnn.com
CNN
4 days ago - Washington (CNN) Rep. Jason Chaffetz called on Donald Trump Wednesday to “open up (his) kimono” and release his tax returns and medical …
Mike Pence plans to release tax returns before election - CNNPolitics …
cnn.com
CNN
Aug 14, 2016 - (CNN)Donald Trump’s running mate, Mike Pence, said Saturday he plans to release his tax returns before Election Day, even as the GOP nominee has continued to resist calls to release his own tax returns. … Pence spokesman Marc Lotter confirmed to CNN on Saturday that Pence plans to …
Clinton to release tax returns, pressuring Trump - cnnpolitics.com
cnn.com
CNN
Aug 11, 2016 - Detroit, Michigan (CNN) Hillary Clinton will release her 2015 taxes this week, according to a source, a move that her campaign hopes will put …
Sean Duffy: Donald Trump should release his tax returns … - cnn.com
cnn.com
CNN
Aug 8, 2016 - Wisconsin Rep. Sean Duffy, a Republican, said Monday he thinks Donald Trump should release his tax returns.
Trump’s tax returns - cnn.com
cnn.com
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Clinton going on air with favorite new attack: Trump’s tax returns. By Dan Merica, CNN. Updated 9:43 AM ET, Thu August 18, 2016 …
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ObserverArt  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:46:17am

Hillary gave away state secrets!!!

Says Reince Priebus…

What a lying bag of rancid puss. I really hate that guy.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:46:35am

re: #269 Jenner7

I can’t take Zeke Miller seriously after he unfairly attacked Clinton’s alt-right speech. But having said that, Christie has thoroughly embarrassed himself with all this sucking up to Trump. I doubt he has much of a political career in New Jersey after Trump loses to Clinton.

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Frankie Five Angels  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:46:46am

re: #280 ObserverArt

Hillary gave away state secrets!!!

Says Reince Priebus…

What a lying bag of rancid puss. I really hate that guy.

Without a shred of evidence.

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nines09  Aug 28, 2016 • 7:58:28am

Did anyone else notice that growth on Chris Christie’s face? Oh. Wait. It’s just Trumps ass. Nevermind.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:00:39am

re: #283 nines09

Wait, I thought CC was a growth on Trump’s ass…

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nines09  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:01:58am

re: #284 Nyet

Wait, I thought CC was a growth on Trump’s ass…

If you look at it in the right light….

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BigPapa  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:03:32am

Face, ass, face, ass. What difference, at this point, does it make anyway?

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Timothy Watson  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:05:38am

re: #160 Lidane

“Self-funding” —

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Redistribution of wealth…to himself.

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dangerman  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:16:34am

re: #280 ObserverArt

Hillary gave away state secrets!!!

Says Reince Priebus…

What a lying bag of rancid puss. I really hate that guy.

really - which state?

)just jumping without doing my homework and reading the thread first (it is sunday morning after all))

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ObserverArt  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:16:57am

Did you know that you can level out this election by placing Stephen Bannon in one pan and Sydney Blumenthal on the other?

The heavy thinking of one Hugh Hewitt.

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dangerman  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:18:19am

re: #287 Timothy Watson

Redistribution of wealth…to himself.

hes better at it than carson was

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BigPapa  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:19:00am

re: #289 ObserverArt

Hewitt is as dumb as the rest of them. He sounds smart to dumb people.

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dangerman  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:20:01am

re: #261 Belafon

We’re not “hearing” about it here, as in it’s not turning up on the big news networks, nor is it a common point in the major newspapers.

Also, if I remember correctly, Trump’s “press conferences” haven’t actually allowed questions from the press.

for trump - press conference = speech
for clinton via trump - meeting with local media and answering their questions - you know, like an interview - is not a press conference

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:21:28am

Automatic Blocking Function triggered==>

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dangerman  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:24:01am

re: #248 Anymouse

Another comment on Trump’s shifting immigration “platform”:

If he keeps spinning he is going to turn into Wonder Woman.

trumps evolving immigration policy

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dangerman  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:27:52am

re: #293 The Vicious Babushka

Automatic Blocking Function triggered==>

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apparently has a problem deploying the letter “g” unless its got to do with guns or cigars

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:31:28am

Automatic Blocking Function triggered==>
(How did you guess I’m going through my mentions from last night?)

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:34:44am

re: #294 dangerman

trumps evolving immigration policy

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:36:03am
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Great White Snark  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:39:47am
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Great White Snark  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:42:23am

re: #299 Great White Snark

Well done people!

Tech note for Charles, when I add the well done phrase a line or two below the embed code that post truncated the code to a stump of a post.
Er, um so to speak.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:43:51am

re: #299 Great White Snark

So they agree with Trump. Nice.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:44:39am

So basically a bunch of Bernbots? No wonder then.

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Great White Snark  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:45:18am

re: #301 Nyet

So they agree with Trump. Nice.

Oh geez. Well the tape was a good idea anyway.

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dangerman  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:45:49am

i want to make an ot observation about the emerging issue with the clinton foundation

my question: in 1997 should the clintons have not set up the foundation which inarguably has saved a large number of lives and made countless other lives significantly better?

i’m not going to lay out the whole logic because i think its patent.
and personally i dont think there will ever be proof of pay to play because it didnt happen. of course theres access. its national and international politics. how naive….

emailgate came out of benghazi and now the server was an “error” which at the time pretty much was common knowledge and no one cared
now its an error that shows poor judgment

speeches - someone hooked onto that, created a new standard. at the time pretty much was common knowledge and no one cared
now its an error that shows poor judgment

the foundation was established in 1997. at the time pretty much was common knowledge and no one cared
now its an error or some kind of new scandal or i dont know what

these -gates are all retro, post hoc ginned up issues that no one could foresee specifically
unless the clintons never left home and did nothing - and of course that would be a different scandal

and if it wasnt this one or the other one or the third, it would be whatever was available that someone could use to create whatever cloud they wanted

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:46:22am

re: #303 Great White Snark

It would have been good idea if what was written on the tape was truthful. Since it is not, and untruth is bad, it wasn’t a good idea.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:47:02am

These notruthers probably called it Clinton News Network too.

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Great White Snark  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:47:05am

re: #301 Nyet

So they agree with Trump. Nice.

Depending on the hour of the day any pf us could wind up agreeing with Trump. But it’s just an artifact caused by his 720 degree pivots. :-)

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dangerman  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:48:07am

re: #298 The Vicious Babushka

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byrd left the kkk arond 1952 - apologized profusely over the years and voted to year 100% ratings from the naacp

trumps supporters are current proud members

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:48:44am

re: #307 Great White Snark

Depending on the hour of the day any pf us could wind up agreeing with Trump. But it’s just an artifact caused by his 720 degree pivots. :-)

They agree with his nihilist dismissal of the mythical monolithic “media”.

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dangerman  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:49:13am

re: #308 dangerman

damned autocorrect
“around 1952”
“voted to earn”

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Joe Bacon  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:54:14am
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Great White Snark  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:54:54am

re: #306 Nyet

Maybe they did, but given CNN’s record it’s a worthy protest of itself. That tape could be handy at a Trump campaign office.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:54:58am

re: #309 Nyet

They agree with his nihilist dismissal of the mythical monolithic “media”.

Which is right in the tradition of you know who.

What the return of Lügenpresse, a phrase most recently used in the era of the Nazi, says about political developments in Germany and Europe.

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makeitstop  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:57:08am

‘Morning, Lizards,

The wife and I are taking a recovery day after a wedding reception that went into the wee hours of the morning. But I noticed something in my neighborhood while we were heading out last evening.

Down at the end of our block sits a corner store. It’s been a few different things in the time since we bought our house, and now it’s a big & tall men’s store. When they opened, I noticed a big ‘Made in America!’ sign (yes, with the exclamation point) and two big flags mounted on the front facade of the store. Didn’t think about it much at the time.

So, we were heading out to the party and came p on the side of the building, and it now sports what must be a 10-foot wide banner that reads - you guessed it - ‘Trump: Make America Great Again!’ (yes, again with the exclamation point, and a bonus American flag background).

The store owners obviously spent some money on the banner, but I’m wondering how long it’ll last before someone messes with it.

That’s it. Back to nursing my poor tired head. As you were.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:57:38am

re: #312 Great White Snark

but given CNN’s record it’s a worthy protest of itself

Battling bias or incompetency with lies (and let’s not pretend that the slogan was anything but a lie) is not worthy in my mind, but that’s just me.

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sagehen  Aug 28, 2016 • 8:57:41am

So the Rob Lowe roast last night? Did not go well for Ann Coulter.

usatoday.com

“Ann Coulter wants to help Trump make America great again. You can start by wearing a burka. You have a face that would make doves cry,” said roast veteran Jeff Ross, who was dressed in purple as Prince. “That voice, it’s like fingernails on a chalkboard in an inner-city school you wanna defund,” he said. “Ann’s against gay marriage. What’s your thinking on that? If I can’t get a husband they shouldn’t, either?”

Saturday Night Live cast member Pete Davidson quipped, “If you are here, Ann, who is scaring the crows away from our crops?”

Former NFL quarterback Peyton Manning had a joke about her appearance, too: “I just realized that I’m not the only athlete up here tonight. As you all know, earlier this year Ann Coulter won the Kentucky Derby.”

There were also lines about Coulter’s political views. “Ann Coulter has written 11 books, 12 if you count Mein Kampf,” said comedian Nikki Glaser. “Ann, you’re awful. The only person you will ever make happy is the Mexican who digs your grave.”

“She seems stiff and conservative, but Ann gets wild in the sheets. Just ask the Klan,” said Roast Master David Spade. “It looks like she’s having a good time. I haven’t seen her laugh this hard since Trayvon Martin got shot.”

Folk singer Jewel won the crowd over with this: “As a feminist I can’t support everything that’s been said tonight,” she said, “but as someone who hates Ann Coulter, I’m delighted.”

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:00:30am

re: #316 sagehen

> As a feminist I can’t support everything that’s been said tonight,” she said, “but as someone who hates Ann Coulter, I’m delighted

;)

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danarchy  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:03:23am

re: #316 sagehen

So the Rob Lowe roast last night? Did not go well for Ann Coulter.

usatoday.com

was it a roast of Rob Lowe or Ann Coulter…damn.

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BigPapa  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:03:40am

I’ve been laughing at this all night:

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ObserverArt  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:04:15am

re: #304 dangerman

i want to make an ot observation about the emerging issue with the clinton foundation

my question: in 1997 should the clintons have not set up the foundation which inarguably has saved a large number of lives and made countless other lives significantly better?

i’m not going to lay out the whole logic because i think its patent.
and personally i dont think there will ever be proof of pay to play because it didnt happen. of course theres access. its national and international politics. how naive….

emailgate came out of benghazi and now the server was an “error” which at the time pretty much was common knowledge and no one cared
now its an error that shows poor judgment

speeches - someone hooked onto that, created a new standard. at the time pretty much was common knowledge and no one cared
now its an error that shows poor judgment

the foundation was established in 1997. at the time pretty much was common knowledge and no one cared
now its an error or some kind of new scandal or i dont know what

these -gates are all retro, post hoc ginned up issues that no one could foresee specifically
unless the clintons never left home and did nothing - and of course that would be a different scandal

and if it wasnt this one or the other one or the third, it would be whatever was available that someone could use to create whatever cloud they wanted

Pretty good summary. And guess who is responsible for so much of it coming off the way it does?

Our glorious media.

Yet idiots like Chucky Todd complain it all smells rotten. And he does nothing to improve the smell…he adds to it and stands back and says…Wow, sure does smell.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:05:03am

Onoz, Berniebro’s feefees hurt by a girl.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:06:29am

re: #316 sagehen

So the Rob Lowe roast last night? Did not go well for Ann Coulter.

usatoday.com

Once Coulter deals with her hangover, she’s going to be tweeting worse responses than Trump’s usual fare.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:06:54am

re: #321 Nyet

Sheesh.

Is that the kind of “truth” these people want from CNN?

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:07:14am

So, wingnuts are spamming this photo of Donald Trump with Rosa Parks to prove HE IS NOT TEH RACIST!!!!!

This is a 1986 gala honoring recipients of Ellis Island Medal of Honor. On the other side of Rosa Parks is noted homophobe Anita Bryant.

These are the criteria to receive the EIMOH. I don’t see a single one that Trump (or for that matter Anita) has accomplished. So he probably obtained this medal the same way that he obtained the Purple Heart.

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ObserverArt  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:07:56am

re: #307 Great White Snark

Depending on the hour of the day any pf us could wind up agreeing with Trump. But it’s just an artifact caused by his 720 degree pivots. :-)

Speak for yourself. : )

Knowing Trump I doubt I could ever agree with him on anything. Even if he said something that sounded okay on the surface I would pretty much know there is an ulterior motive that I wouldn’t agree with.

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dangerman  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:08:01am

re: #320 ObserverArt

Pretty good summary. And guess who is responsible for so much of it coming off the way it does?

Our glorious media.

Yet idiots like Chucky Todd complain it all smells rotten. And he does nothing to improve the smell…he adds to it and stands back and says…Wow, sure does smell.

thanks
im furious about two things
first that no one seems to get that theyre saddling clinton with not being a good enough fortuneteller/mindreader/fortune teller - seer of the future - cause thats the only way any of this logic works

and second - the inarguable record of good that the foundation has done.

were she not running for president this attack on the foundation would not be happening

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:08:54am

re: #323 Nyet

And that tweet is over a month old. And so is that hashtag “DemsinPhilly.”

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:09:07am

re: #316 sagehen

So the Rob Lowe roast last night? Did not go well for Ann Coulter.

usatoday.com

This, IMO is the winner:

“Ann, you’re awful. The only person you will ever make happy is the Mexican who digs your grave.”

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:09:39am

re: #324 The Vicious Babushka

That’s a new level, really. It’s not even “I have black friends”. It’s “I was photographed with black people, so I’m no racist”.

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dangerman  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:10:12am

re: #324 The Vicious Babushka

So, wingnuts are spamming this photo of Donald Trump with Rosa Parks to prove HE IS NOT TEH RACIST!!!!!

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This is a 1986 gala honoring recipients of Ellis Island Medal of Honor. On the other side of Rosa Parks is noted homophobe Anita Bryant.

These are the criteria to receive the EIMOH. I don’t see a single one that Trump (or for that matter Anita) has accomplished. So he probably obtained this medal the same way that he obtained the Purple Heart.

wait - cause of access? cause of who he knew? cause he was rich and influential?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:10:33am

re: #324 The Vicious Babushka

Anita Bryant, the Florida orange juice lady — AND Donald, the orange gibbering yam.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:10:36am

re: #324 The Vicious Babushka

re: #329 Nyet

One redeeming factor Victor Borge is in the photograph too.

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No Country For Old Haters  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:12:01am

re: #224 Nyet

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Alyosha  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:12:08am

I think this decrying of the media’s supposed lack of coverage of the issues exposes our own myopia to a certain extent.
Namely that the stories which we consider to be newsworthy do not gain the traction we believe they deserve. Our response is then to dismiss journalism as dead.
That the media could do a better job, I agree; and it shouldn’t detract in any way from the good points made in this forum. But they do in a perverted sense still provide the service for which they have been charged. It’s the public that has failed.

Happy to be wrong.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:12:25am

re: #324 The Vicious Babushka

Muhammad Ali in the back row, so that’s a twofer for donald.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:15:10am

re: #319 BigPapa

I’ve been laughing at this all night:

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Perfect

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:15:41am

re: #335 Backwoods_Sleuth

I have been watching the tweet meter. Your article is at 700 tweets. Congrats.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:16:32am

re: #333 No Country For Old Haters

Ajamu Baraka is openly anti-American, so by choosing him she also is.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:17:45am
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makeitstop  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:20:54am

re: #332 PhillyPretzel

One redeeming factor Victor Borge is in the photograph too.

Ali and DiMaggio, too.

(At least I think the guy far left is Joe D. Could be wrong.)

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ObserverArt  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:23:11am

re: #329 Nyet

That’s a new level, really. It’s not even “I have black friends”. It’s “I was photographed with black people, so I’m no racist”.

I bet somewhere in your research you have come across photos of one Adolph Hitler standing with some prominent Jewish citizens.

A true friend! /

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:23:32am
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Stanley Sea  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:27:02am

re: #324 The Vicious Babushka

So, wingnuts are spamming this photo of Donald Trump with Rosa Parks to prove HE IS NOT TEH RACIST!!!!!

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This is a 1986 gala honoring recipients of Ellis Island Medal of Honor. On the other side of Rosa Parks is noted homophobe Anita Bryant.

These are the criteria to receive the EIMOH. I don’t see a single one that Trump (or for that matter Anita) has accomplished. So he probably obtained this medal the same way that he obtained the Purple Heart.

Did he receive the medal during the time he was saying he’s from Sweden?

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Timothy Watson  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:27:43am

re: #333 No Country For Old Haters

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Some of the charges were dropped because the prosecutor was unable to interview Assange before the statute of limitations expired. He’s still wanted for questioning on the rape charge.

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dangerman  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:32:37am

re: #344 Timothy Watson

Some of the charges were dropped because the prosecutor was unable to interview Assange before the statute of limitations expired. He’s still wanted for questioning on the rape charge.

theres a special place in eternity for people who as a tactic evade capture or questioning or whatever long enough for statue of limitations to pass or for disinterest due to time lag to kick in.

running fast enough long enough or hiding well enough long enough may have allowed them to “get away with it”

they most certainly arent “not guilty”

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:39:12am

re: #269 Jenner7

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Trump’s campaign in a nutshell.

Re-posting this one of mine

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Alyosha  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:41:26am

Fuckin’ Aussies, amirite?

Assange tried to get himself a Senate seat during the 2013 election; at a time when finding a well-ventilated window was difficult enough.

As per Wikipedia:

The Wikileaks Party was a micro political party in Australia. The party was created in part to support Julian Assange’s failed bid for a Senate seat in Australia in the 2013 election, where they won 0.66% of the national vote.

*sad trombone*

But it gets better:

The party’s campaign was thrown into turmoil just weeks before the election when members objected strongly to the party’s voting preferences - see instant-runoff voting. In New South Wales, a fascist group was placed above the Greens, while in Western Australia the National Party was placed above Greens Senator Scott Ludlam, a strong supporter of WikiLeaks and Assange. The Wikileaks Party blamed an unspecified “admin error” and announced an independent review would be held after the election.

Lololol

More: en.m.wikipedia.org

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:42:49am

As a feminist, Jill Stein gets to decide if a man is guilty or not guilty of rape. As a white man what do I get to decide? How about as a Jew? Or a New Yorker? (besides Pizza). Her statement is just stupid.

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ObserverArt  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:44:07am

re: #334 Alyosha

I think this decrying of the media’s supposed lack of coverage of the issues exposes our own myopia to a certain extent.
Namely that the stories which we consider to be newsworthy do not gain the traction we believe they deserve. Our response is then to dismiss journalism as dead.
That the media could do a better job, I agree; and it shouldn’t detract in any way from the good points made in this forum. But they do in a perverted sense still provide the service for which they have been charged. It’s the public that has failed.

Happy to be wrong.

I’m not sure I understand your point in total.

Are you basically saying the public has failed because they do not demand more of journalism?

And if that is your point, how do you explain the FOX model of journalism which I get the feeling is becoming more and more the model for much of our media.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:44:20am

re: #345 dangerman

As much as I hate Assange, all Sweden had to do was guarantee that Assange won’t be extradited to the US. They refused, thus providing Ass. with an excuse.

Assange has said he would go to Sweden if provided with a diplomatic guarantee that he would not be turned over to the United States,[64] to which the Swedish foreign ministry stated that Sweden’s legislation does not allow any judicial decision like extradition to be predetermined.[65] However, the Swedish government is free to reject extradition requests from non-EU countries, independent of any court decision.[66]

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dangerman  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:44:47am

it seems that regardless of how he acts and what he says, trump by virtue of being the nominee of a major political party is treated as a serious candidate and actual potential president

rather than were he just the same private citizen who didnt run for the nomination as the raving loon that he is

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Belafon  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:45:29am

re: #342 FormerDirtDart

I would love to share that at work. It really does look like the workplace videos we have to watch. I’m afraid too many wouldn’t get it.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:46:15am

re: #352 Belafon

Surreptitiously replace one of the video files. //

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dangerman  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:47:42am

re: #350 Nyet

As much as I hate Assange, all Sweden had to do is guarantee that Assange won’t be extradited to the US. They refused, thus providing Ass. with an excuse.

yeah, unfortunately it becomes all about the posturing and manuvering rather than the original issue itself

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dangerman  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:48:58am

re: #351 dangerman

it seems that regardless of how he acts and what he says, trump by virtue of being the nominee of a major political party is treated as a serious candidate and actual potential president

rather than were he just the same private citizen who didnt run for the nomination as the raving loon that he is

and that was before i saw this:

we have a psychopath running for president

politicawire.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:52:57am

LOLWUT

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Alyosha  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:56:36am

re: #349 ObserverArt

I’m not sure I understand your point in total.

Are you basically saying the public has failed because they do not demand more of journalism?

And if that is your point, how do you explain the FOX model of journalism which I get the feeling is becoming more and more the model for much of our media.

As I said, happy to be wrong.
Certainly, public education has to answer for this as well.
And if FOX is becoming the standard, due to its eminent grey viewership, I guess we’ll have to see what happens as they… stop tuning in. People getting their batshit from the usual gallery of internet rogues is a better indication.
I don’t know, in all honesty. The whole FOX thing is a chicken and egg situation. But people keep watching it. I kinda blame them.
You still have a free press. That’s still pretty neat.

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dangerman  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:56:53am

re: #356 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWUT

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bias is not bigotry

that word doesnt mean what these people seem to think it means and how they are trying to use / using it

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Lidane  Aug 28, 2016 • 9:58:00am

re: #356 The Vicious Babushka

Trump has cornered the market on thoroughly oblivious spokesmodels that say the dumbest shit imaginable.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 28, 2016 • 10:00:38am
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dangerman  Aug 28, 2016 • 10:03:26am

re: #360 Stanley Sea

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whereas all hillary’s done is *be* secretary of state and negotiate with people in person - you know leading to agreements and solutions

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ObserverArt  Aug 28, 2016 • 10:07:02am

re: #361 dangerman

whereas all hillary’s done is *be* secretary of state and negotiate with people in person - you know leading to agreements and solutions

And sit in and answer to an angry and out to get her congressional committee for hours on end.

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dangerman  Aug 28, 2016 • 10:11:12am

re: #362 ObserverArt

And sit in and answer to an angry and out to get her congressional committee for hours on end.

that should have been a hint to anyone thinking about running against her

that so many of the (was it?) 16 thought, “yeah, i can take her” is really interesting

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makeitstop  Aug 28, 2016 • 10:12:31am

re: #358 dangerman

bias is not bigotry

that word doesnt mean what these people seem to think it means and how they are trying to use / using it

I watched the Clinton speech, and as far as I can remember she didn’t actually call Trump a bigot. She did call out some of the people and organizations his campaign associates with four their bigotry. Which is a perfectly valid point to make.

But it’s a distinction without a difference to his supporters, who treat any form of criticism as a personal attack. And his surrogates consciously distort what was actually said knowing that they’ll be : accepted as gospel by the stupids who support their boss.

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Lidane  Aug 28, 2016 • 10:12:38am

Sitting here drinking coffee while the boyfriend catches up on Mr. Robot. This is such a twisted, interesting show. I’d have to binge watch it to get caught up, but I like the bits I’ve seen.

Anyone else watch this show?

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ObserverArt  Aug 28, 2016 • 10:17:36am

re: #357 Alyosha

As I said, happy to be wrong.
Certainly, public education has to answer for this as well.
And if FOX is becoming the standard, due to its eminent grey viewership, I guess we’ll have to see what happens as they… stop tuning in. People getting their batshit from the usual gallery of internet rogues is a better indication.
I don’t know, in all honesty. The whole FOX thing is a chicken and egg situation. But people keep watching it. I kinda blame them.
You still have a free press. That’s still pretty neat.

What troubles me is the position that the Associated Press has taken lately.

They are, well used to be, considered the standard for a free press.

Their recent reports about the Clinton Foundation are certainly getting some heat for being slanted, lazy and colored and I find all that very troubling.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 28, 2016 • 10:19:11am

re: #356 The Vicious Babushka

I wonder if Scottie’s brain shuts down on occasion as it attempts to resolve the contradictions held in it?

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Aug 28, 2016 • 10:20:38am

re: #356 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWUT

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It’s a weird, twisted “No True Asshole” fallacy.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 28, 2016 • 10:20:40am

re: #360 Stanley Sea

Receiving fellatio on the air from Sean Hannity is not an interview.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 28, 2016 • 10:21:44am

re: #363 dangerman

Rather like watching an MMA bout and thinking, “Those guys aren’t so tough.”

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Great White Snark  Aug 28, 2016 • 10:22:57am
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ObserverArt  Aug 28, 2016 • 10:23:02am

re: #364 makeitstop

I watched the Clinton speech, and as far as I can remember she didn’t actually call Trump a bigot. She did call out some of the people and organizations his campaign associates with four their bigotry. Which is a perfectly valid point to make.

But it’s a distinction without a difference to his supporters, who treat any form of criticism as a personal attack. And his surrogates consciously distort what was actually said knowing that they’ll be : accepted as gospel by the stupids who support their boss.

Since we are touching on “journalism” some in the media are happy to “report” she did call him a bigot and that she has lowered the race by giving that whole speech. Your whole last paragraph can be hung on the media that acts sometimes like another of his supporters…at least to the point of doing the balancing act of both sides do it.

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dangerman  Aug 28, 2016 • 10:23:06am

re: #366 ObserverArt

What troubles me is the position that the Associated Press has taken lately.

They are, well used to be, considered the standard for a free press.

Their recent reports about the Clinton Foundation are certainly getting some heat for being slanted, lazy and colored and I find all that very troubling.

in a sense theyve gone from truth (as it were) to truthy
here’s where we got our numbers, here’s our research so our statements are “true”

sure - how many people are going to dig past the headlines to see your statements are only true if you make the sample size so small and limited as to be otherwise mostly meaningless?

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dangerman  Aug 28, 2016 • 10:25:18am

re: #370 Romantic Heretic

Rather like watching an MMA bout and thinking, “Those guys aren’t so tough.”

right - even football
i remember the first time i saw the actual scale of an average football player next to an unpadded person. ok even the little dudes are pretty big…

they all look equivalent on the field from those high up camera angles - ants

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 28, 2016 • 10:27:12am

re: #373 dangerman

sure - how many people are going to dig past the headlines to see your statements are only true if you make the sample size so small and limited as to be otherwise mostly meaningless?

How many people are going to be able to understand the bolded part?

Thanks to the way people are trained these days (and I specifically used the word ‘trained’) very few.

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dangerman  Aug 28, 2016 • 10:27:17am

re: #371 Great White Snark

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spend a career training for what you hope never happens

and we get performances like this and usair 1549 while bitching about not enough peanuts

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dangerman  Aug 28, 2016 • 10:28:46am

re: #375 Romantic Heretic

How many people are going to be able to understand the bolded part?

Thanks to the way people are trained these days (and I specifically used the word ‘trained’) very few.

youre absolutely correct. i didnt even take it that far

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 10:40:46am

re: #372 ObserverArt

Since we are touching on “journalism” some in the media are happy to “report” she did call him a bigot

Since she twice mentioned his “bigotry”, she called him a bigot. Rightly so. Saying that she called him a bigot is stating a fact.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 28, 2016 • 10:42:48am
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ObserverArt  Aug 28, 2016 • 10:49:10am

re: #378 Nyet

Since she thrice mentioned his “bigotry”, she called him a bigot. Rightly so. Saying that she called him a bigot is stating a fact.

I know what you mean.

I’d have to go through the whole speech again, but did she come right out and call him a bigot or did she imply he is a bigot because of his speech topics and words and the people he re-tweets, associates with etc?

There is a difference. And I know how much a stickler you are for language. Implication can be a tool. Let your listeners draw the conclusion he is a bigot…you don’t have to say it. There is power in that…real effective learning comes from conclusion.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 28, 2016 • 10:51:48am
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nines09  Aug 28, 2016 • 10:56:49am

In the “FFS” department; There are enough Trump signs in yards around here. I expected that. But we went out to pick up some groceries earlier, and a few streets over a guy whose son went to school with my daughter has a Trump bumper sticker on his pickup. Par for the course, right? Well, I’ve had conversations with him years ago, and he drives over 100 miles round trip each day to work. Quite a few do that here, my wife included. He works on a dock. For a major trucking outfit. A Union company. Yep. Dues paying Teamster with a Trump shit stain on his ride. HMD.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 10:58:56am

re: #380 ObserverArt

Saying about someone “his bigotry” is calling someone a bigot, just as saying “his racism” is calling someone a racist. Let’s not split hairs.

Googling for the speech is easy enough.

“But there has been a steady stream of bigotry.
We all remember when Trump said a distinguished federal judge born in Indiana couldn’t be trusted to do his job because, quote, “He’s a Mexican.”

It’s Trump’s bigotry that she means of course, not some abstract bigotry.

“Now, I hear and I read some people who are saying that, well, his bluster and his bigotry is just over-heated campaign rhetoric - an outrageous person saying outrageous things for attention.”

I hope you don’t get tempted to go “she’s just going ‘some people say’ route” since it is clear that she agrees that the bigotry is “his”, in fact arguing that it is real rather than for show.

Plus: “We can have our disagreements and believe me I understand that. I think that’s healthy. We need good debates. But we need to do it in a respectful way, not finger pointing and blaming and stirring up this bigotry and prejudice.”

That’s less direct, so just as a bonus.

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freetoken  Aug 28, 2016 • 11:06:15am

re: #383 Nyet

Saying about someone “his bigotry” is calling someone a bigot, just as saying “his racism” is calling someone a racist. Let’s not split hairs.

Yes, but there is a certain fineness to using language in explaining how one comes to a conclusion.

In this instance, if one calls another a “bigot” there are (at least) two reasons for doing so:
1) the desire to call someone a name that is derisive, and
2) a conclusion reached after reviewing what a person has said or done.

What Hillary has done is the second choice: she is saying she has reviewed what Drumpfskind has said and concluded it is bigotry.

Meanwhile, in his response, Drumpfskind has chosen the first path.

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freetoken  Aug 28, 2016 • 11:07:35am

And then some media come along and report that both sides are doing it in their MBF kind of way.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 11:09:35am

re: #384 freetoken

Yes, but

There is no “but” here. I stated a fact about what the media stated. What Trump said in response is outside of the frame of this exchange.

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freetoken  Aug 28, 2016 • 11:12:22am

re: #386 Nyet

I put the “but” in there…

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 11:13:10am

re: #387 freetoken

I put the “but” in there…

You went off on a tangent. What you wrote was not relevant to what I wrote.

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freetoken  Aug 28, 2016 • 11:13:32am

re: #388 Nyet

You went off on a tangent. What you wrote was not relevant to what I wrote.

Amazing how the universe works…

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 11:14:34am

re: #389 freetoken

Amazing how the universe works…

Yes, that exactly how it works: a “but” is perceived as a correction. You have not actually corrected me.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 28, 2016 • 11:20:52am
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 28, 2016 • 11:22:25am
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ObserverArt  Aug 28, 2016 • 11:22:32am

re: #384 freetoken

Yes, but there is a certain fineness to using language in explaining how one comes to a conclusion.

In this instance, if one calls another a “bigot” there are (at least) two reasons for doing so:
1) the desire to call someone a name that is derisive, and
2) a conclusion reached after reviewing what a person has said or done.

What Hillary has done is the second choice: she is saying she has reviewed what Drumpfskind has said and concluded it is bigotry.

Meanwhile, in his response, Drumpfskind has chosen the first path.

Thank you.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2016 • 11:25:17am

jeebus

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 28, 2016 • 11:29:24am

re: #391 Charles Johnson

Is that him with George Zimmerman in the main photo?

Wow, it’s like how much assholeishness can you jam into one image?

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Charles Johnson  Aug 28, 2016 • 11:30:59am
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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 11:31:23am

re: #393 ObserverArt

Thank you.

You realize that freetoken’s comment doesn’t support what you wrote and doesn’t contradict what I wrote, right? What he wrote was completely true and yet completely orthogonal to my point, which was: if you’re going to accuse “some in the media” of falsifying someone’s words, it helps to check out primary sources first.

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nines09  Aug 28, 2016 • 11:35:22am

re: #394 Backwoods_Sleuth

How did they do that? Tip a black waitress more than 15%?

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BigPapa  Aug 28, 2016 • 11:39:51am

Geek Humor:

Family Tech Support
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PhillyPretzel  Aug 28, 2016 • 11:41:38am

re: #399 BigPapa

I needed a good laugh. Thanks. :)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 28, 2016 • 11:44:02am

Heh, check out the Twitter account for “The Last Blockbuster” . It’s great.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 28, 2016 • 11:50:56am
“Comedy Central’s planned roast of actor Rob Lowe took an odd turn Saturday night, when celebrity guests took their shots at conservative columnist Ann Coulter in brutal fashion, even by normal roast standards…”
“…Even retired quarterback Peyton Manning got in a dig — despite being a fellow conservative — by commenting on Coulter’s looks.
“I’m not the only athlete up here. As you know, earlier this year, Ann Coulter won the Kentucky Derby,” he joked…”
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Decatur Deb  Aug 28, 2016 • 11:51:11am

re: #371 Great White Snark

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A great job today by our professional @SouthwestAir pilots! The best safety device is always a well-trained pilot.

“However, we have a few questions for our maintenance chief…”

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Charles Johnson  Aug 28, 2016 • 11:58:16am

Google still has a cache of Chuck C. Johnson’s latest suspended account:

webcache.googleusercontent.com

It’s full of deranged boasting, of course. And he also suggests the alt-right should go to Vladimir Putin for funding.

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jaunte  Aug 28, 2016 • 11:58:19am

Kellyanne Conway:

“…Look, he’s an unconventional candidate, and he’s not going to prepare the way Hillary does, which is, you know, locking her[self] in a room and crammed [sic] her head with all those binders.”
thehill.com

Who needs to debate with a head full of, you know, information?

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Charles Johnson  Aug 28, 2016 • 11:58:33am

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 28, 2016 • 11:59:52am

re: #404 Charles Johnson

Google still has a cache of Chuck C. Johnson’s latest suspended account:

webcache.googleusercontent.com

It’s full of deranged boasting, of course. And he also suggests the alt-right should go to Vladimir Putin for funding.

\

You mean they aren’t already?

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BigPapa  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:01:04pm

re: #405 jaunte

Who needs to debate with a head full of, you know, information?

Information is for wussies!

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Stanley Sea  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:03:32pm

re: #405 jaunte

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Kellyanne Conway:

Who needs to debate with a head full of, you know, information?

He’s just going to yell & argue without any point.

It is going to be brutal to watch.

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BigPapa  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:04:21pm

Cuckubbus is going to make a new Twitter account every day.

I’m sure they’re trembling in terror.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:04:54pm

re: #404 Charles Johnson

Google still has a cache of Chuck C. Johnson’s latest suspended account:

webcache.googleusercontent.com

It’s full of deranged boasting, of course. And he also suggests the alt-right should go to Vladimir Putin for funding.

Doesn’t he already sponsor them? Well, the Euro-version.

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wrenchwench  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:05:53pm

I got caught in the rain when I did my jogging this morning. It was glorious. I ducked under the bleachers when it hailed. I was sharing the track with two women, one of whom was carrying coffee. I considered knocking her down and taking it, but realized the coffee would get spilled, so I considered taking it and then knocking her down, particularly when her friend started jogging. But she was friendly the next time I caught up to her. She said she had just moved here from California and hadn’t seen rain in years. I asked her what part of California she was from, and she said Sherman Oaks. I told her I grew up in Fullerton, and she said, ‘Oh really!! I went to Fullerton College!’ And I said, ‘When it was a Junior College, we used to call it “High School With Ashtrays.” And she said, ‘You could smoke there?!?’ And I said, ‘This was the 70s. You could smoke anywhere, except high school.’

I thought about it going home, and I realized you could smoke in high school, too. My first two years, the authorities relinquished control of one pair of bathrooms for the smokers. Regular kids didn’t go in there more than once. Then they built a chain link cage for the smokers to free up the bathrooms and get them outside.

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BigPapa  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:09:16pm

I recall in HS we had a Smoking Section. The Cool Kids had the ‘license’ or pass that meant parents allowed kids to smoke. That worked out well.

The got rid of smoking sections the last year of HS. We just went to the parking lot after that.

We also didn’t have internet or phones. It’s a wonder we were able to survive. The last time I had really good thai stick was HS too.

Sucks getting old. Except for the stuff that is great getting older.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:10:53pm

re: #413 BigPapa

Thai stick - lol that brought back memories.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:13:21pm
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jaunte  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:14:48pm

“Saying that Quanell X is voting for Donald Trump could not be further from the truth as Satan is from God. There’s no way I’d vote for Donald Trump when, at his heart, he cares nothing for black people,” Quanell said. “He [Trump] has affiliations with white supremacy groups. How the hell could I support that man?”
cw39.com

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BigPapa  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:15:00pm

re: #415 Charles Johnson

Raise your fist Jim!

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Timothy Watson  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:19:28pm

re: #417 BigPapa

Raise your fist Jim!

Hoft throws a clenched fist, a sign of professional revolutionaries.

Connect the dots sheeple!

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Joe Bacon  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:21:08pm

re: #415 Charles Johnson

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Gosh! Is SGMOTI going to do the Jean Genet thing??????

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BigPapa  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:22:23pm

re: #418 Timothy Watson

NIce to see SMOTI standing up for PoC!

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:22:48pm

re: #405 jaunte

If he is going to fly by the seat of his pants I hope they fall down. ::: nasty evil grin :::

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Joe Bacon  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:23:49pm

re: #418 Timothy Watson

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Connect the dots sheeple!

So he went to the audition for the Ironside Movie…

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:23:52pm

This meme SHOULD BE about Trump
But wait no, it’s a wingnut meme from 2008.
Also too: Automatic Blocking Function triggered

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jaunte  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:27:30pm

re: #421 PhillyPretzel

If he is going to fly by the seat of his pants I hope they fall down. ::: nasty evil grin :::

He’s probably the most ignorant man ever to run for the Presidency. Knows about his narrow field of interest, but he’s new to everything else.

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ObserverArt  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:28:32pm

re: #397 Nyet

You realize that freetoken’s comment doesn’t support what you wrote and doesn’t contradict what I wrote, right? What he wrote was completely true and yet completely orthogonal to my point, which was: if you’re going to accuse “some in the media” of falsifying someone’s words, it helps to check out primary sources first.

I wasn’t saying the media falsified anything. I said they said she called him a bigot. She did not. I just read the whole speech. I understand your point. You don’t seem to want to see mine.

The media could just as easily have said Clinton’s speech built a case that Donald Trump is a bigot. Because that is what she did exactly.

What would you have thought had she just simply said “Donald Trump is a bigot?”

Would it have been as effective? Would it have shut down the ears of a lot of people? Would it have been seen as outrageous and a low blow?

How would the media have reacted to that as opposed to how they did report it? You would have heard that in little video sound clips over and over and over again. You won’t see that because it did not happen.

There is the difference I am talking about.

You can call it splitting hairs. I think I will call it subtle effectiveness.

Disagree all you want. It is your right. I think others will understand what I am talking about. I think freetoken was one of those people.

I am dropping it after this comment. I’ve made my point. It would be stupid to carry it any further from my end.

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sagehen  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:29:21pm

re: #391 Charles Johnson

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A guy who holds up a Klan robe and hood in his profile picture… is definitely not trying to be subtle.

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jaunte  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:29:29pm

re: #423 The Vicious Babushka

This meme SHOULD BE about Trump

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BigPapa  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:29:47pm

Bob Cesca posted this on his Facebook page, don’t know if it’s him or Robert Reich:

#DontGetHappy Robert Reich on Facebook:
—-
I got a call tonight from a friend in Washington who knows more about political polling than anyone in America. He was almost breathless with excitement.
“It’s gonna be a landslide,” he said.
“In which direction?” I joked.
“Hillary’s going to win in places we haven’t won in years - Georgia, Nevada, Arizona. She’ll take the entire West, the whole East Coast. Trump is sinking like a stone.”
“So do we get the Senate back?”
“You bet.”
“Sixty votes?”
“No, but a nice majority.”
“And the House?”
“We won’t win it back, but Democrats will get 14 of the 30 they need. So still a Republican majority, but far weakened.”
“And what about the states?”
He paused. “The states?”
“Any good news there?”
“No. The GOP will remains in control in most states.”
“So the only part of government that will change hands is the U.S. Senate, and not even by enough to overcome a filibuster?”
“Yes,” he said, as if I had taken the air out of his balloon.
“And what about all the people who’ll be voting for Trump?”
“What about them?” he asked, cautiously.
“After Trump loses, they’ll still be out there, right?”
“Of course.”
“And they’ll be madder than hell, poisoned with Trump’s venom. They’ll be a ready-made constituency for the next demagogue.”
“Bob?” he asked.
“What?”
“Remind me never to phone you again.”
“Sorry,” I said.

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lawhawk  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:31:27pm

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

Looks like media hacks are now attacking Clinton over length of her speeches compared with Trump. As if duration or length of speech has any correlation with content, or whether they’ll be remembered.

Trump meanders all over the place, repeats himself multiple times, and still manages to word salad everything into platitudes and meaningless statements.

Clinton’s speeches might be shorter, but they’re more packed with coherent statements than anything Trump and his crack staff can come up with.

Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address? Took less than 3 minutes to recite.
FDR’s Day of Infamy speech? 3 pages of text. Took a couple minutes to recite.

Length matters not. Substance is what matters. And on that, Trump fails miserably every damn time.

Oh, and Jill Stein’s still somehow running for office.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:38:56pm

re: #426 sagehen

A guy who holds up a Klan robe and hood in his profile picture… is definitely not trying to be subtle.

Because UpChuck is well known for his subtlety.

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petesh  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:39:16pm

re: #429 lawhawk

Pfui — Fidel could keep them glued to their seats for hours. Perhaps literally.

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jaunte  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:43:53pm

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jaunte  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:44:26pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:45:07pm

re: #433 jaunte

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Soon as he finds another 99% white community for a rally.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:46:49pm

re: #410 BigPapa

Cuckubbus is going to make a new Twitter account every day.

I’m sure they’re trembling in terror.

You’d wonder if there is a point at which Twitter can legally ask for an equivalent to a “cease and desist” order. And when that is ignored, which it will be*, then actually have some recourse to legal action to keep him off Twitter in a true permanent fashion.

* - Probably by some sort of roundabout method the Furby thinks is clever and undetectable.

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wrenchwench  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:48:45pm

re: #434 Backwoods_Sleuth

Soon as he finds another 99% white community for a rally.

He could come here, the population includes 0.1% black people.

/The 60% of Hispanics will treat him like it’s a real party, with a piñata

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:51:10pm

re: #412 wrenchwench

I got caught in the rain when I did my jogging this morning. It was glorious. I ducked under the bleachers when it hailed. I was sharing the track with two women, one of whom was carrying coffee. I considered knocking her down and taking it, but realized the coffee would get spilled, so I considered taking it and then knocking her down, particularly when her friend started jogging. But she was friendly the next time I caught up to her. She said she had just moved here from California and hadn’t seen rain in years. I asked her what part of California she was from, and she said Sherman Oaks. I told her I grew up in Fullerton, and she said, ‘Oh really!! I went to Fullerton College!’ And I said, ‘When it was a Junior College, we used to call it “High School With Ashtrays.” And she said, ‘You could smoke there?!?’ And I said, ‘This was the 70s. You could smoke anywhere, except high school.’

I thought about it going home, and I realized you could smoke in high school, too. My first two years, the authorities relinquished control of one pair of bathrooms for the smokers. Regular kids didn’t go in there more than once. Then they built a chain link cage for the smokers to free up the bathrooms and get them outside.

The strip of land between the teacher parking lot and the street that separated it from the school was called Marlboro Country at our HS; the other HS had “cancer alley.”

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jaunte  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:51:21pm

“Soon” it will be a real campaign.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:51:51pm

More tweets at this account.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:52:05pm

Just posted a page on … Poldark. Here is a link to the page. littlegreenfootballs.com

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teleskiguy  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:52:08pm
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nines09  Aug 28, 2016 • 12:54:01pm

re: #429 lawhawk

Jill has a buddy name of Assange who put a lot of people at risk. Fuck them, right, Jill? Speak for the gorilla. Dupe Of The Decade.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 1:00:18pm

re: #425 ObserverArt

I wasn’t saying the media falsified anything. I said they said she called him a bigot. She did not. .

Which exactly means you accused them of falsifying the speech. It’s weird that you deny and confirm this in one paragraph.
Since she did call him a bigot - it’s there in black and white, as quoted above - and you are now denying this plain fact, you really have no standing to call “the media” out for anything.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 28, 2016 • 1:00:35pm

Joe Morrissey, the give who keeps on giving:

Virginia State Bar Association investigators said former Del. Joe Morrissey fought his sex scandal with a “knowingly false” defense.

Morrissey had said that the nude photos and incriminating messages on his phone of the 17-year-old staffer who worked in his law firm were put there by the woman’s jilted lover who had hacked his phone.

But the Richmond Times-Dispatch reports investigators called the defense a “fraud perpetrated on the court” in recent court filings.

wtop.com

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lawhawk  Aug 28, 2016 • 1:01:32pm

Once again, Trump’s going to give a speech to clarify his position about the blacks? Really? He spent this past week doing minority outreach, which consisted of getting a bunch of RNC interns, speaking to crowds of whites in places where the majority of residents are blacks (Jackson MS), and now thinks minorities - blacks in particular - are going to listen to his ramblings?

Seriously?

Even Mike Pence knows better:

Mike Pence Just LOL’d At Donald Trump

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Interesting Times  Aug 28, 2016 • 1:02:26pm

re: #428 BigPapa

Bob Cesca posted this on his Facebook page, don’t know if it’s him or Robert Reich:

Ugh. On the one hand, I’m all in favor of being realistic, but on the other, it’s not supposed to be a recipe for nihilistic defeatism. That way lies self-fulfilling prophecies and missed opportunities.

I’ll take the take (heh) of this guy instead: Don’t Play Deadbug Over Gerrymandered Districts

I have seen many people write of the hopelessness of taking over the House of Representatives, and retaking many state houses. They say that gerrymandering has made a Democratic house impossible for the next decade at least. That is one reason given for not fielding candidates in many districts. I am not convinced. In fact, I believe the attempts at gerrymandering could backfire in the smug faces of those who played that game.

First, I recall one article I read (sorry, I can’t give a link here, I forget where I read it) that stated that in order to maximize Republican numbers, many districts were gerrymandered with fairly slim margins. If Democratic voting increased by as little as 5-6%, those gerrymanders would fail. I am sure that is true in Pennsylvania, and probably in Texas as well. It shouldn’t be too difficult to retake a number of those districts.

Second, I have been saying all year that you can’t gerrymander out millennials or women. It would be impossible to draw the lines through houses. This year, many of those millennials and women in the reddest districts are looking at a Republican Party that they just can’t stomach. The key is to get them to vote their distaste.

The GOP took risks when they gerrymandered the states the way they did. If we are smart, and if we look for opportunities to break the gerrymanders rather than complaining about them, we could take over the House this year as well as the Senate, and we could set a foundation to keep the House for years to come. We just can’t play deadbug.

Again, I’m all for being realistic, but it would be stupid bordering on criminal negligence to assume defeat at the outset instead of attempting in every way imaginable to take advantage of this trump-colored opportunity.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 28, 2016 • 1:03:47pm

re: #423 The Vicious Babushka

At least they got the spelling right on that one…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 28, 2016 • 1:06:21pm

re: #441 teleskiguy

He’s got about $10 000 on that table, by my count.

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Nyet  Aug 28, 2016 • 1:07:56pm

This denial of simple reality before one’s eyes is simply astounding. Apparently the narrative is more important.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2016 • 1:08:39pm

re: #447 Eclectic Cyborg

At least they got the spelling right on that one…

Not on the sign…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2016 • 1:09:56pm

re: #448 Eclectic Cyborg

He’s got about $10 000 on that table, by my count.

Amazing the things a person can do with a color photocopier these days.

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Joe Bacon  Aug 28, 2016 • 1:10:55pm

re: #441 teleskiguy

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How much of that cash came from Peter Thiel?

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Skip Intro  Aug 28, 2016 • 1:11:37pm

re: #448 Eclectic Cyborg

He’s got about $10 000 on that table, by my count.

You’re assuming the unseen bills aren’t all ones.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 28, 2016 • 1:12:01pm

re: #453 Skip Intro

You’re assuming the unseen bills aren’t all ones.

or blank paper

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lawhawk  Aug 28, 2016 • 1:18:26pm

re: #441 teleskiguy

Is he back in the States, or is he still overseas?

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wrenchwench  Aug 28, 2016 • 1:20:07pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 28, 2016 • 1:24:34pm

re: #433 jaunte

With one or two of them in the audience.


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